James Bonding - Our Man In The East Returns! Phil Nobile Jr

Episode Date: February 14, 2024

Phil Nobile Jr, newly appointed Editor in Chief of FANGORIA magazine, stops by to talk to Matt and Matt about Bond 25, the state of the franchise and the idea of trying to dress/live like James Bond. Give it a listen, won't you. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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James Bonding Podcast, it's the James Bonding Podcast, it's the James Bonding podcast, it's the James Bonding podcast, it's the James Bonding podcast, it's the James Bonding podcast with Matthews Myra and Gorley. Well, this is a special edition of James Bonding because in studio, our man in the East, Phil Nobil Jr, takes over the show and we become the guests. What? Is that not the craziest thing you've ever heard everybody? I mean, are you, are you falling down after hearing that? This is, you know, I just before we get into this podcast, I just want to mention that, um, I noticed that when Roger Moore says, make a choice, the music to live and let die

score happens to play at that exact moment. It's really interesting. That's an amazing thing. I can't believe you notice that now, are we? We should talk about that later. You know, it'd be a real dickish move of gorely to, like, pretend he discovered it. But whatever. Anyway, here we are.

Well, all I remember is something about eyebrows, uh, bologna and honky, tunk, something. This is going to be hilarious in a week. Just know that the past minute of dialogue that you've heard right now will only make sense next week. And it's not you that's not getting it. Yeah. But we've planted the seed and we've taken care of it. Now, we're here today.

Our man in the East Phil Nobiel Jr. is here on business. He's been gracious enough to stop in. Do a couple of podcasts with us. Yeah. So we've already recorded Live and Let Die for next week. And today, we're going to hand the reins over to you to talk Bond 25, whatever else you want. Cool. All right, we're going to talk about a few things.

First of all, I've never been in your studio before. And as a fan, I want to just point out that I have not been able to take my eyes off the leather door. Oh, there it is. It's amazing. It is amazing and I'm jealous and it's beautiful. Some things are worth spend a little extra. And that door is one. Yeah.

Well, it also helps with soundproofing for a podcasting studio. So it's not entirely impractical. It's open. Do you know it doesn't? It's the fact that we never draw the curtains and I just always hear myself reverberating off the glass. It's not that bad. No, no, no.

I bet it doesn't pick up as much on the mic, but in my own ears. I just hear myself. No, if we do like, first. fully produced podcasts in here that kind of need post production and stuff, you close the curtains and take the banjo down because the banjo resonates when people talk to. Then it turns into a pretty decent little studio in here and shut the leather door. I like the HDTV angle this episode's taking so far. Let's step into the kitchen.

All right. So, guys, it's been a while since we talked and we haven't talked about Bond 25 in a little while. Right. Nor have we on the show a little bit with the latest update of Danny Boyle. gotten about that far. We did, we boiled it down. We did. It's coming to a boil.

There we go. It is coming to a boil. And you are the guy we go to anyway for this information, but to have you here in person to kind of talk us through it, we might as well start for the beginning. You come to me and right or wrong, you report on whatever I tell you, which is appreciated. We've ended up in some tabloids as a result over in England. That was fun. That's right.

Wait. So as you'll hear next week, tabloids, Desmond Llewellyn's hands, and possibly the reissuing of Roger Moore's Live and Let Die book, we can maybe claim responsibility for it. We've made our mark. Which is why I just don't understand why Barbara Broccoli doesn't give us a call

and just say, boys, swing on by. I know. Could you, would you not be terrified to have Barbara Broccoli sitting in this chair? Not at all. Really? I'd be delighted to have her.

She seems so intimidating to me. She, I would love to have her. But she cannot, she can not ruin my life in any way, shape, or form because I do not work in Bond movies. Sure. That's fair.

And therefore, I wouldn't be afraid to talk to her. And also, I'm just like, like, I'm fascinated by her. I would like to know about her life growing up on the set of James Bond. I have so much to talk about her. She's also done some great work with the franchise herself. Yeah. It would be amazing to have her here. She's quite possibly.

Open invitation, Babs. Yep. And let's talk about Pierce when you come on over. I love that. Let's. So, Bond 25, what we know so far, the Bond fandom, the guys that are reporting on every last little thing. They're a catty bunch. A bunch of catty bitches.

The Bafas? He showed up at the Bafas and his face looked really swollen and smooth and everybody was like, oh, he's had some work done. And they were a little worried and I got to admit when I looked at it. I was like, oh, he doesn't look great. Oh, everybody takes a bad picture. I take them all the time. It was video. He was presenting an award and he looked a little banged up, but he recently appeared at an event where he's auctioning off

his Aston Martin for charity. Right. And he, and he looked a lot better. That's a bird of the West Indies. I love it. We have a book about the birds of the West Indies.

He just probably went on a bender the night before. He might have. You know, he's 50. Yeah. You know, he looked good though. And he looked good and he, a lot of people ran nothing news article that he confirmed that his next film is Bond 25.

Like, you'll recall he made zero films between Skyfall and Specter. So it's not a real surprise that his next film Bond 25. Is that because you think he gets tired out that much? When did he make Lucky Logan after Spector, right? Yeah. That's just last year. He gets tired out that much that he does theater. Yeah, he does theater, which I would imagine you could tell me as an actor, but I would imagine maybe even a bigger drain on your energy. Oh boy. I would, I'd say you're giving me a little much credit there.

Well, let's pretend it is. And you know, after Skyfall, he earned a break. Yeah. And I get cranky when people take shots at him because I think out of all the Bond actors, no one has given as much of themselves to the role, as he has. Right, and for 50, I should look anywhere near that good when I'm 50. Any one of us should. I do.

That doesn't make any sense. But he looks good at 50, as good at 50 as any bond, if not better, right? I mean, come on. Yeah, I mean, Connery was 41 and Diamonds are Forever and he looks 10 years older than Conner. That's true. I think Pierce is a handsome 50. Pierce aged into his role pretty nicely. Yeah, he did.

You guys were talking about how he looked in like world is not enough, but I thought he looked really good in Dye another thing. I agree. He looks great. Wait, Connery, 41 and die another day. Oh, diamonds are forever. Diamonds are forever. Yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. That is crazy. Isn't it? He's just so grizzled and old looking. Forty-one. Yeah, he's just a dad. But not like a young dad. Like he's like meet the daughter's boyfriend dad. Yeah. It's something. But I think we love talking about Bond 25. We're talking about the next one. We're always talking about the next one because it can be anything. And it's so exciting. And it's not like there's no disappointment or like, oh, near misses. It's just, it's so pregnant with possibility. And I get excited just thinking about Bond 35. It's promised cramped.

Yeah, it's not been locked down and no bad choices have been made. There may be bad choices being made. We're reacting to bad choices as if they're exciting. Oh, they're going to throw away their script and just write a new one in a month and film that if Danny Boyle says it's good. And we're thinking that's awesome. Because the options are so amazing. No, no, no, no, no, no. No one's thinking that's not.

I do. Every last one of us. I don't think that's awesome. I do. I don't think that's awesome at all. Oh, I'm ready for, I'm ready to see what Danny Boyle will bring. The last thing you want, I think, is a script that is sped through.

I agree with that. And I don't want something that they have to be right. I don't want that. Yeah, same. Like, yeah, go ahead. Please. Oh, well, here's,

here's a thought. When they take too long on a script, they're passing through all these toll booths at the studio. Exactly. Everybody's stamping it. Yeah. And that's, where how you got Spector. Right. Right. I agree. So there's, there's an argument, I can make anything,

you know, a good thing or a bad thing. But I think if you've got Danny Boyle ushering a script through personally, people are going to defer to him more and let him do more of an autour thing. And I think that benefits almost anything. And especially Bond, if you look at, well, Skyfall could arguably be called that. I think Quantum doesn't count because of the strike. Yeah, I'm curious. Bond doesn't need an atour. I disagree. Okay. I actually do. I think there might be too many cooks in the kitchen these days. And I'm not talking about, like, if you put Daniel Craig and Barbara Broccoli in there, but Spector had a lot of Sony. It wasn't all bad input, but it had a lot of input and a lot of writers. And it just seemed to be watered down at every turn or something.

Yeah, because anuteur was running the show, Mr. Sam. It was an auteur who was depleted. Yeah, I don't think he was really involved. I think the idea of a guy who's excited to make something happen. If they're so excited about whatever his idea is, that they're willing to just tap the breaks and see what happens. I mean, I'm excited that I'm excited by the idea that this has moved them to do that. Right. And I hope it's just not hoop jumping to keep Daniel Craig happy, but I also think that if he's on board with it, that's probably a good sign.

When he's gotten really invested, you got Skyfall and you got Casino Real. That's interesting. That's an interesting point, Phil, because it is something to the point of like, Danny Boyle, I don't think moves their needle enough to care. so much that we have Danny Boyle. He has this idea. It's not great, but it's the only way we're going to get Danny Boyle. So it has to be an idea where they're like, okay, that actually is a very good idea.

All right, you can do it. I'm so curious. Yeah. And as we talked about next week, we think that Boyle's idea must certainly mean abandoning everything we saw in Specter. Ignoring. That's what you think. Not retconning. Not me.

You think that Danny Boyle gives a crap about what happened in Specter. I think that Danny Boyle's like, I'm going to fix this franchise. Here's my prediction. I'm going on record. That Daniel Boyle has come to them with his screenwriter, John Hodge or something. I can't remember what his name is. And they have a concrete, solid idea. And that the only real requirement Eon and Barbara Broccoli are going to have is like,

okay, but wrap up Spector in the cold open. And or something, like deal with it. That's such hopeful thinking on your. part. I hope they're listening. You know, you know, I'm hoping that they just ignore it.

You want that abandon it completely as a nod to the old school. Absolutely. Do you think it will feature Blofeld? No. No, not at all. No. That may be why it's so attractive to them is that

Danny Boyle came to them with an idea that means they wouldn't have to explain why Christoph Waltz isn't in it anymore and Blofeld is, but I bet Blowfeld is in the Purvis and Wade script. Will we ever see that script? That's another question. It'll get recycled for Bond 27? Possibly.

I think that the franchise isn't overly concerned with that sort of stuff. With the through line? Luce ends. But they are now. That's the thing. That's the different. Yeah. No,

it's not that they, I think that it's, it's the industry as a whole right now that is operating that way because of the success of Marvel and that franchise. That I think everyone had been, you know, up to, I think, particularly, I think it was at its fever pitch to this whole let's have a franchise when Spectre came out. You know,

which was what they were trying to do. with Ghostbusters, which is what they were trying to do with the ideas you see floated of James Bond getting spin-off movies. Yeah, the universe. Yeah, they're looking for a shared universe. And I think that that's cooling down a bit. Do you think the Phantom thread was a shared universe with James Bond?

Yes. That was his tailor. Similar posture. Like his doctor-no tailor. That would be amazing. Woodcock? Yeah. I don't know.

Wow. I don't know about that. Okay. Do you, so what we heard from a Reddit leaker, and who knows if any of it's true, it's just that there's evidence that what this person had was good info, was that this involves both a female villain, which, you know, only once before, really, unless twice if you count, Rosa Kleb. Oh, God.

And a young female agent that he's mentoring. What do you guys think about that? Hell yes. I mean, if you get someone like how they handled Sophie Marceau, and the world is not enough. I thought that was a really good way. She's going to be, this villain is going to be a wronged, me too kind of a female. I don't think they'll be that on the nose.

I do. I do. I think they're going to do that, that on the nose. And I think that she will. I think it'll be a former flame. Yeah. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Is the mentor he's training going to then take over for the series after Daniel Craig bows out? Well, no, you can't, because then you can't have it be James Bond. You can have a spin-off. series that is jinks. Female protege. Yeah, but they're going there yet. That's so funny. You know, people make these overtures about how they, you know, it's important that

we progress and all this stuff, but then these movies have to open in China. And China kind of doesn't give a shit about this stuff. Yeah. And so I think that they're going to look at a global box office and they're going to, they're going to pay, I don't want to be cynical, but I think they're going to pay some lip service to some of the changing time stuff, but they know that they need to keep it at a certain level of expectation. Well, I don't see.

I think they can do what I'm saying without. it really, like without them really hitting us over the head with it. Yeah, I think, the motivation, I think, can be clear from the, from the villain's start. Oh, yeah. And I think that that's fine. At the end of the day, it's a MacGuffin, whatever she's going to be doing, or the villain is going to be doing. But I think, you know, with the China stuff, you always have to worry about getting exclusive broadcast rights. Oh, do.

Because if you're getting your news from Elliot Carver, I'm not familiar. You're getting tomorrow's news today. Anyway, now back to Bon 25. But I think that female protege, I like that idea. I'd be into seeing a... You know what I would like to see? A Taika Watiti directed James Bond movie.

Well, sure. A Thor Ragnarok-style James Bond movie would just delight. I love him. I love all his work, but I don't think that... I don't think... Unless you bring in Roger Moore back.

Well, that's the question. What sort of Bond adventure does Craig want to go off on. And do you think that Boyle wants to give you a self-serious Chris Nolan-type Bond? I don't. No, but if like, I think it's closer to what he's saying. I think it's going to be cooler. Yeah. And I use that in quotes. Like whether it truly is cooler or not, it'll have a flare of, you know, I don't think I've seen a Boyle movie that didn't have an editing style that wasn't self-reflexive, like that you didn't know was happening. Sure. You know, Bond isn't known for that kind of thing, except early on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Let's call back to the Peter Hunt. Yeah, that's interesting, yeah. I mean, you could make a case that Peter Hunt is like a proto, train spotting type movie with these quick cuts and stuff and, like, cuts in time. Oh, interesting. I mean, what if, what type of Danny Boyle movie do you think is going to most closely resemble this Bond movie? Is it going to be something flashy like train spotting or more like shallow grave when it was a little more nuanced and, like, more mainstream? or I haven't seen Slumdog Millionaire.

I want to know what he I would like to know what James Bond is to Danny Boyle. Yeah. Like that's what I would like to know. I'd like to have an interview with Danny Boyle. Is he revered or is he to be like

laughed out a little? Or would it be like, you know, would it be like me taking over the Indiana Jones? Like if I had to like reboot Parks and Rec and they were like, we need you to reboot parks, I'd be like, okay, I can do that. And then I'd go back and watch Parks and Rec.

Because it was like a thing that, like, I understand is great and people loved it, and I just never caught it, and I never watched it. Gotcha. And I wonder if that's what, I wonder what Danny Boyle's in. He's certainly, whether he's familiar with Spector or not,

he's certainly familiar with Bond. It's like steeped in the culture so deeply. He would know it all the way up. You'll recall the scene in train spotting where they're doing competing Sean Conner. That's right. And you recall that he directed the whole Olympics skydiving thing with the Queen and Daniel Craig as Bond. I think he's in it.

I think he's in the same level that Sam Mendez was, where he grew up watching it. He's a fan. But I think his take will be very different. That's what's exciting about it. It's like somebody who's kind of got a legacy attachment to the franchise and showed up with an idea that got all the other people excited about it. And who knows who are the who's distributing the movie? That's a damn good question. It's not Anna Brennan.

They're not distributed. No, no, there's a lot of misinformation out there about what's official and what's not. And the last official thing we heard is that MGM is holding out for someone to buy them and dangling the bond thing. The bond franchise is there as part of it. So if they want, if they get bought by Fox, you know, they can kind of help deliver that. But they have a deal with Annaperna. When they get by Fox, then they end up in the Disney stable.

I don't want them at Disney. Good God. Like, let one thing be sacred. Jesus Christ. Then they're going to milk the shit out of it. Oh, forget it. Well, maybe they do a Stensberg vernacular. All right, I'm in.

Yeah, that's one step closer to getting your theme park, a reality. I'm in. I'm in. Let's go, Disney. Nice. So here are the things I'm thinking about if Danny Boyle ends up making this. It's Craig's last film. That's significant. Is it a tie-in to four films that, whether they meant to or not,

are now inexplicably tied together into a quadrology? And certainly they did not all intend to be that way. Is that going to be used? Will it be light? Will it be dark? And will it put a button on his tenure? I think that's virtually assured. Did anyone get a button?

No. But they know going in with this one. They didn't know with Brosnan. They knew with more. But that was also of an era where it was just, no, this whole thing's meant to be continued on as a character, not an actor. This is a different time.

I think they're going to tie it up in some way. And I think they're going to send them off. with a button. But I don't know that this movie will in itself be a conclusion story. I think they may just do it cursorily or something. I can't imagine they do that. Think back to how Skyfall ended, where it just ended him in front of M's desk.

And it's this eternal loop, right? Yeah. I feel like that that's probably Boyle's sentiment. Like, he can't really just redo that thing. But I think it's just returning him to his continuum. Skyfall needs to be made now. Yeah. Skyfall should have been his last one.

Yeah. That's for sure. weird. But I also think when you said it's going to be tied to all of it, the way Skyfall wasn't tied to it at the time, they need to redo that. Yeah, that was highly tied to the franchise, but not at all tied to Daniel Craig's arc. Did they, yeah, and now it is, Silva's under spec. Yeah, I think Boyle's idea, if they start getting their fingers in its pie trying to connect it to stuff, it'll only dilute it, but I have a suspicion, Boyle's idea as a standalone thing. And I'm excited by that. Because who really wants to have,

part five. I don't, but I do feel like some nod has to be made because him walking off with Swan was different than him walking off with every other girl in that he was quitting the service to be with her. And that is substantially different. So I feel like he's got to get killed. She's probably dying still. I still think they're going to work that.

Does he ever say I quit? He throws his gun off the bridge. But that's kind of it. That's just a statement. Exactly. They kept it soft for the reason. No, but I think there's this important thing to remember is she's not. not going to be with him if he's in this world.

And he's giving it up to be with her. What if they are, what if it picks up, the cold open of the Danny Boyle movie picks up with them on their, uh, on a, on a, on a weekend away somewhere. And they're just having like their ninth fight over the towels in the hotel. And that's it. And he's like, this is not for me. I can't do it. I appreciate you.

Or she's like, got to go. And then he jumps out the window with his grappling hook belt. Yeah. She's like, it just opens with her going, why do you keep cooling me Vesp? Or if she's like, I don't know where I want to go eat. And then, and because Bond has never really been in a relationship, like, he just starts to lose his mind in a real relationship. And then he's like, he walks out the tour and then the theme music happens and then we're

back at Em's office. There's no action. It's all a relationship. It's all a relationship fight. It's him not knowing how to be in a relationship because he's never been in a relationship. Or he's just like. trying to fry an egg and he can't do it. Or like coma kid's hair. He's got kids. He's got children now. It's funny, but that's sort of how it was addressed in Fleming's from Russia with Love.

You know, after the end of Diamonds of Forever, Tiffany Case moved in with him. Yeah. And then there was this whole story about how she just, he couldn't handle having a relationship with a woman. And so she split and married some military guy in the America. That's right. Yeah. And that's the other thing you get from these crazy Bond fans. They're like, I want to see Bond having a day in the office. Because they want to see all the weird. Between the end of shit. One thousand percent. How much real estate do you put into that? It'd be cool to see. You know, what does he do in the office?

You know, this is something that can't happen. They won't do it. But it's something I would love to see. He just throws darts. Like, he doesn't do paperwork. Like the, again, I hate to bring this back to Taika Watiti here, but that's short that they did with Hemsworth as like what Thor was up to during the Civil War, during the Marvel Civil War, where it's just him living in Australia with a roommate. Yeah. And, like, that was, like, wonderful.

Like, that was so funny and it was great. Like, give me, give me a five or six minute short. Yeah. And run up to this movie of, of either Bond strolling through the office, talking to Moneypenny, talking to Q, you know, him in the restroom, like, trying to avoid Tanner. Like, it'd be, anyway. I think Boyle could give you a 90-second version of that.

Yeah, I'm going to make it funny. That we pause here, watch his Olympics video. and then come back and give our thoughts and see, like, if we can glean anything from... Does he say anything in the Olympic video? Well, let's do that. He says, mom? We'll be right back. But we'll see something of Danny Boyle in that.

I know it's not quite the same thing, but all right, hold on. Well, we're back, and we know that Dan... I can't say that we're better off. Well, we know that Danny Boyle can make a hell of a tourism video. Yes. He's got, I mean, he knows his beats humor-wise, like, set up and... Punch. Is that what you took away from that?

Yeah, I thought it was well made. For what it was, I'm judging it as an Olympics, you know, goodwill propaganda video. But also, like, he's known for using innovative cinematography in his films as well. Stylistically, the editing choice of the speed change on every other shot of a crowd reacting or corgis reacting or people waving or a piss poor CG job on Winston Churchill. I thought that was all right. What I'm saying is it worked on me. I'd go to England. How would you guys feel about like GoPro shots,

like GoPro type body link shots in a Bond movie or something like that? It would depend. Like when he was poisoned in Casino Real, I'd be into that. I think one thing we can just sort of say, we don't have to worry about it is there won't be any CGI Churchill in Bond 25. Think about this. He's got this out of his system. Hang on.

Maybe in the opening titles. What if he loved it so much? His idea is that the villain is the, this Churchill statue that's been on the test British Gallum Well, hell But yeah, so I mean, seeing that

Did not instill confidence in me Really? It also did not distill confidence. Oh, okay. So I feel the same. I feel like if you read between the lines of that film, there was all kinds of sort of contingency Uh, not contingency,

uh, constrictions on what they were able to do and how quickly they had to do it and they had to shoot around a, uh, 80-something year old, uh, queen. Queen. or queen. Imagine the restrictions from Buckingham Palace and the Olympic Committee. And you're right, the time frame and like shooting within the city. It's amazing they got, well, maybe that's also where they could open some doors. I bet you, Daniel Craig was the most difficult person on that

shoot. I think it was the corgi on the right. The corgi on the right. Um, uh, okay. So like, what I'm taking away from this is you're not feeling great about Bond 25. I am worried about it and cautiously optimistic as I tend to be as these movies are approaching their rolling of the first frames of film. Let me ask you this. Given what you know of Danny Boyle and that you know that there was a Purvis and Wade script,

what would you choose right now if you had to pick one and to move forward, which would it rather be? Who's my director? Is it Danny Boyle is my director? But I choose which script? It'll probably be Jan de Bongge or whatever his story. name is. Now, there's a weird rumor that he's pissed off, that he, like, carved out a bunch of time. I'm sure he did. He was close to being it. But now he's jumped over to Jordan Peel's Lovecraft

Country. Oh, wow. That's exciting. Yeah. So what would you choose? What would you guys choose? Both of you. Ron Howard. Jesus Christ. I'd rather them always take a risk than the same up. I love the idea. Let's roll the dice. Yeah, because I love those outliers. Give us, give me some weird Bond movie. But you're, the outliers don't exist because of the pretty, producers took a risk. The outliers exist because it was a swing in a miss. Well, I guess I'd like to... Do you know what I mean?

Like the biggest outlier, I think, in the franchise's tenure, is Quantum of Salas, in the sense that it was a movie that was written on the go because of a writer's strike. So it becomes an outlier. But, yeah, but they didn't intend it to be. They were just basically falling on the heels of Casino-R-R-L. I'd say Honor Majesty's Secret Service is the biggest outlier for the time. It's weird that Matt Myra would say that Quantum's an outlier, because I feel like in a week's time, he's going to tell me that he didn't view it as an outlier.

Yeah. Did I say that later on? You will say that. I think you're, yeah, it's a great prediction. But I will, but to my actual point of like the sentence I was,

what I was saying to you and what I was saying to you, Phil, is that I, the term of outlier, right? There don't have many, I don't think quantum solas is an outlier in the sense of what the finished product is. But I do think it's an outlier in the sense of the circumstances of which it was made. Yeah. because they could not plan for it.

They could not plan for the writer's strike. So they had to deal with this thing that was thrown at them. And that's what I think makes it an outlier in production standpoint. But like this whole idea of like throwing the script out so close to when they were going to sign a director. I mean, this thing is supposed to come out when? November 8th, 2019 next year. But the rumor is it that the rumor is that the Purvis and Wade was a, on Her Majesty's Secret Service. sort of parallel?

I don't have anything to back that up. I don't have anything that sort of speaks to that. I think it's just a lot of people assuming and a lot of rumor. Wasn't there a leak at some point about that? There was just pure rumor? Yeah. Okay.

But here's a thought. What if they're throwing that script away because of the lesson that they learned with Spector? Okay. But if they're like, no, we're not going to throw good money after bad. They didn't learn that lesson. Well, how do we know?

It is the very next film. No, no, I'm saying they didn't, I don't think they took it. I don't think they think of Specter as a failure. I'll tell you why I think they do. When, when Quantum came out. So when Casino Royale came out, they put it out on Blu-ray like three times. There's commentaries. There's all this other stuff. When Quantum came out, there was nothing on that

disc. Skyfall came out. Three commentary tracks, super proud of it, all this other stuff. Spectre came out, nothing. I think when they're not into a movie, it leaks through in certain ways. They knew that that wasn't a home run. And that one didn't, they do consider that one, not to be a failure financially, but compared to Skyfall, it took a real dip in earnings. Yeah, but Skyfall made a billion. So that's going to happen. but what if do you think that they're that danny boyle comes in and they're just like psyched to have danny boyle or that they really also like the idea craig likes the idea right they have to like the idea like like i was saying earlier like they're not going to like again he doesn't i don't think danie boyle

is enough for them to go whatever you want sir yeah you know it's not like they're getting um i don't know i don't know who would get i don't know who gets that out of james bond but i think he you think he does yeah i think he does because in england he's He's like they're almost Laureate filmmaker. Well, buckle up. Barbara Broccoli is American. No, I know, but she's, you know,

Eon is basically English. Yeah, I know. But, yeah. This is interesting. No, I don't think he does it. I don't think he does it. Honestly, I don't think he does it. I think that if his script is not good,

and his idea is not good, Danny Boyle is not directing this movie because if Danny Boyle's thing is like, I will direct this movie, If I can do this script, they look at the script and go, it's not great. Thank you so much for coming to us, but no. But he's also said, I believe that he has to like it. Like, he has to see this script and go, this is what I want to do.

He meaning Danube. Danny Boyle. Because wasn't the whole idea that they went and pitched this idea and they went, go away, have his screenwriter write it, and then if Danny Boyle likes it, then he'll do it. Who were they saying go away? The screenwriter. Go off and write it. Not go away like shoe.

So let's say it's shit. Fuck off. Let's say it's shit. So then they've got to find a director, or do they have somebody backpocketed already? Because Jan Demange has sort of been spoken forward to this point. But maybe finally then Denny Villeneuve will be open or he's still doing Dune. He's got five years of Dune ahead of him.

I've heard weird rumblings from those same little forums that tend to have weird information that turns out to be true that San Mendez is back pocket. No. It can't be right? What? I can't be. I actually don't. Why can't that be right?

I don't want that to be a case. I've heard, again, from those same forums that. that Craig and Mendez parted on not great terms after Spector. Oh, that's interesting. I've heard that too.

And that's just gossip, but who knows? Yeah. But, you know, if it's true, then that would mean he can't be coming back. And I think if you look at both those films, like I'm, I, you know how much I love Skyfall, and I think I give Mendez so much credit for that for re-energizing that and making that perfect

sort of reclamation of the formula, but he was out of ideas by Specter, I feel like. What other information to your Sparrow's tell you. A lot of the forums that I dig into, and I don't know if it's time to do this, but are more about like buying shit than having actual critical

thought. So I don't have a lot of other Bond 25 rumors for you. All right, if you guys had to cast the female mentor, or the apprentice, the protege, the protege, and the villain. Sorsi Ronan would be the protege and the villain would be

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peer I think you can go someone younger than Bond be the villain But I just like her for her gravitas, you know or something

I don't know She'd be good Let me think about this I like Latisha As the protege Who's that? She was Shuri in Black Panther

She was his little sister Oh she was great Yeah She was also Want to really get up To the Black Mirror She was great She'd be a fun protege

She was honestly I think she's the She I had the most fun watching her on screen than anyone in the last like five or ten years. Yeah, she just was like drawn to her. I was like, she is really enjoyable to watch. Absolutely. I'd go super stunt casting. But there's precedent with Charles Gray and there's precedent with Joe Don Baker. Wait, where are we heading with this. Hold on where we're going. I would bring back Rosamund Pike to be the final.

Oh, yeah. Sure. Not Holly Berry. Roseman Pye could be great. She has matured into like the perfect... If you saw Gone Girl, she is terrifying. Yeah. So, sorry. So what about Imogen Putes? Do you know her?

I do. She seems a little lightweight for me. Yeah. My second choice would be Natalie Dormer. For either role. We're just like over the Sorcerceran thing? Wait, Natalie Dormer. Sersia.

Sersha, Sersha, Rion. What, Natalie Dormer? What do I know her from? She was in Game of Thrones. She was in the Hunger Games. Oh, she's, yeah. She's Sometimes she got that side

shave going on Yeah, I know You're talking about Hmm Oh, what about Sircy from Game of Thrones Is Lena Hetty or Heady?

Acceptable. Yeah. I would take her as the villain. I think she'd be great. Yeah. That's a little bit typecasting.

You don't want Helen Mirren to be the villain? Yeah, I do. Now that you mention it, yes, I do. In a James Bond film, I think is like a home run. There's certain ones

that are perfect, but they've been used up somewhere. Like in Helen Mirren, she burned it off in red a little bit, the spy thing. Yeah,

and Charlize Theron off the supervillain thing in the last fast and furious movie. Right. But she would be interesting. She would have been great. I don't know. Charlie's... Atomic blonde didn't do it for me.

That wasn't her fault, though. I don't know. I didn't feel like she was doing it for me in that. She was just a little too, like, almost underacting on purpose to let you fill in the blanks and it somehow didn't work for me. I have it. What do you got? The villain.

Laura Dern. Interesting. I like it. I don't. I'm way it. I'm going to. What if she has purple hair and she's an admiral? I may be with you on this.

She has, she's not sexy to me. And I think that Bond's world, not just, I don't mean to be reductive, but Bond's world needs to be sexy. Disagree. You need a paleobotanist that gets your gears going. I find her sexy. I just don't find, I don't find, I find, I find it hard to take her out of like contemporary Southwest, like just her, her way of speaking doesn't work for me in genre films.

She's homespun. And I don't even want the villain to be an American. Yeah. To that point. I want it to be a little more exotic, if possible. Rachel Weiss. Oh, that would be great because they're married. That's some super stunt casting and I'm into it.

That would be great. Yeah. I just watched The Constant Gardner. Oh, gosh. It's the most depressing movie ever. It's a bummer. She is such a... She's such a good actress.

Yeah, she's incredible. I wonder if that'd be fun for them. I wonder if that was one of the things that got Daniel Craig excited about this idea. Guys, I love it. And then you get Joseph Fines in there as like her boss. No, come on. Come on.

Crazy. crazy. Come on. No, Joseph Fines. His brother. Oh, we're going Family Tree. You're going super sense. Hell. And then... All the scars guards. Every last fucking one of them. First thing we do, let's kill all the scars guards.

And then you see John Cleese is in the movie as R again. He's been demoted. Guys, we got to get serious here. This is going too far. Yeah. You're cautiously optimistic. I think Matt early and I are more excited. Very excited.

We're in that weird pink cloud of anticipation where anything could happen. Well, if you listen to the ramp up to Specter, I'm just, I was, I think I was, we were bitten hard. But I feel like,

we were so excited and we tricked ourselves, man. We tricked ourselves so hard. Fair enough, but I feel like, well, Phil doesn't do that in the first place, but I feel like what was happening was the lead up to Spector. And this feels like an 11th hour diversion and, and sort of saving from that.

It's possible. Possibility. I'm not that excited about another Purvis and Wade. No. I mean, who would be besides Neil Purvis and... Over Waite. They're staff. They're housekeeping staff.

I really, I want that Toshan archives book, but that gives me five years into the future. If I could have any magical item, you know, where I could read all about the behind the scenes of even the movies yet to be made. Well, I guess that really wouldn't spoil that much for you because the information in there isn't the plot. Yeah, I don't want the plot. I want the production. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Well, I mean... We'll see what happens. I think that if there is going to be a sort of mistake that we make running up to this movie, it's going to be getting too excited about these things.

What are you guys going to do spoiler-wise? I'll watch official trailers release the end. That's it. Skyfall, I knew too much about Spectre. I only did trailers. It would be really bold if I went no trailers at all. time. That's going to be too hard.

We can't do it because we do a podcast. We do a weekly podcast. Oh, you have to talk about this. You could avoid, yeah, it's your job now because you're becoming an expert, as we'll discuss next week. But you, you, um, there's been movies where I've tried to do that and then I'm sitting in the theater and then the trailer starts. Yeah, that's true.

And then I'm kind of hosed. Or I'm sitting there with my fingers in my ears like a maniac. That's true. But so probably soon we'll get that press conference in the next couple of months. You'll get it around December. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

It's because everything that has to happen right now is like, is the script written? It's being written. It's script is being written, right? So that has to come back. There's got to be two or three swings at that afterwards. So that's going to put us out for probably another three or four months. And then once the script is decided upon, I mean, which they could do this sort of congruantly and be like, I love this set piece, I love this set piece.

Then they have to sort of start scouting. Then they go do their location scouting, which they already have done some location scouting, but like, we want to shoot in Prague. They better not try to cram that in. there. But they're going to do that. And then they have to like do the storyboarding and everything like that. And then they'll get to the casting and then they'll get to the press count. It is crazy how quickly they still make Bond movies. When it's all said and done, they have like a year of pre-production and then a year of production. It's crazy. I think again, there's another lesson to be

taken away in Skyfall where they recognize that they don't need to globetrot. You know, it's a franchise of pinging back and forth. And so when they shot mostly in England for Skyfall, they reversed it for Spector and bit him in the ass because they spent so much money. Apparently, the official numbers for Spector are just completely like trying to ask cover and it's way more. Oh, see, that's another reason they didn't make much money. And it's all subsidized though by those tie-ins, like the Heineken and the... But they all are. But they all are.

Yeah, yeah, but I mean, their bottom line, though. They spent so much money on travel for Spector that I think they're probably going to course correct. And I think that a Boyle story might see a little more like a SpyCraft, a little more intimate Casino Royale kind of thing. Oh, see, now you're exciting me even more. I just said SpyCrafting, you just perked up. Ah, it's, oh, like, give me some more Lacaree and my barn.

But I know they're supposed to be different, but I like when they flirt with each other a little. The whole thing takes place at Lamedicam. Oh. Lamedicam. Lemaicom. She can take it to Lamegan. He's a frown. You're a cunt dancing.

Keep looking, Mr. Scaramonga. Where can it be? See you, Mr. Scaramanga. I'm very interested to meet you. You know what? That's what we... Well, let's hope, if nothing else, the Bond 25's got a easily to impersonate villain

that we can catch phrases, and meme the fuck out of it. You know. That'll be the value. I want a good henchman. Yeah, we had almost a good hench on. I think, yeah, Hinks was pretty good. I think Hinks is decent.

But, like, you know, if you go back henchman-wise, we haven't had, like, an iconic, great henchman since. Is Zinia the last one? Or diamond face? Xenia, yes, and May Day. Of the last, like, 30 years, that's what I'm saying. Because the henchman thing is generally kind of wacky, so it's hard to get in. Yeah, but like going before that, you had so many, like, Jaws, Tee-he, knick-knack, Tehee.

That makes sense next year. A job, whisper. Just like, yeah, like, they can, I think the beauty of a, of a, well, of a henchman is that they have some sort of quirk that has explained to us, whereas, I feel like if Hanks had gotten, if somebody had given a line to someone else, an expositional line about Hanks. Yeah. It was like, he doesn't talk, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. His voice, his larynx was ripped out in 1980, whatever.

Just something like that. Then I find that then I would be like, Hanks was pretty good. Yeah. He doesn't have something as special about it. But in this world, it's a little harder to pull it off. He's got press on nails. Yeah. Steel nails.

All those names you just mentioned are like sort of like this sort of xenophobic kind of, you know, this guy's black and this guy's weird French dwarf. I don't think Mayday is, I think Mayday is like... Well, they exploited her otherness, I would say. Yeah, I agree. And then so as the franchise tries to not do that, suddenly, you know, the proson era has a bunch of rappers as hedge people. And the diamond face guy, which, you know, was, I think, okay, on paper.

Zao! And then by the time you get to Craig, they're just like, just make them gross, gross euro trash people. Yeah, I mean, when you look at Casino Real... I guess it's Elvis. Elvis is the one. Elvis and what's that guy's name in Casino Real? It starts with a K.

Like the bald guy that's like Le Schiff's right hand manned. Oh, Cananga. Yeah, that's it. The alligator farm. I can't remember what it is. Yeah, but Kevin. That's just like, but like, yeah, I mean, if you think about like,

Goldie and Stomper and yeah, just like, dud after dud after dud. Yeah, Hinks is the first proper henchman quite a while. At least in octopusy, I mean, I'm going back, so you go back before Mayday and you go to like octopusy, at least in octopussy, you have... Gobinda. Yeah, who's like a menacing guy who shoots a blunderbuss. Like, that's like, that's fun to me. I think that's something the real world does actually lack, because there

are oligarchs and creepy people, but they always have bodyguards, but who, does anybody actually have like a, like a noticeable, distinct, quirky hench person? Colorful one. Huh. I would love that. Yeah. I would like someone to take their differently abledness and turn it into a new abledness. That's like Kingsman.

That sounds like a minefield. Yeah. But yeah, the hench woman and Kingsman did that pretty well, I thought. Okay. All right. All right. So what else should we know, should we expect? About 25?

Yeah. Nothing. I don't know. I think we've milked it. Okay. I want to talk to you about an article that was in GQ last week. Oh, I read that. The gentleman's quarterly.

monthly. They discovered a subreddit where people were just going bananas over Bond's outfit in the finale of Skyfall. His Scottish barber jacket, his NPL sweater. By the way, I feel like somehow I

created that subreddit inadvertently by owning every piece of that outfit. Oh, I'm not going to say I don't own every piece there, but I didn't go near the subreddit. I never got it. I am going to say I don't own any of those pieces. And it got me thinking about you guys and it me thinking about how Mr. Myra has absorbed some, some bond stuff into his life. You tend to

have not. And there's a whole world out there where they go crazy for this stuff. And so there's a debate about whether or not that outfit is iconic or the most influential outfit because it was all attainable pieces. You go out and buy all the stuff. You don't go to anywhere in a tuxedo necessarily as a normal guy. I argued that it was a polo shirt. He brought back a polo shirt and a big... As you and I sit here in polo shirts. Honestly, honestly, almost wore a polo shirt. Damn, that would have been sweet. But it got me wondering about, you know, I think you quote the James Bond lifestyle site quite a bit. Yeah.

But there's three others that I want to point you to that are fun for sourcing this stuff. Okay. One is called the Bond Experience. And it's a CEO outside of Philly. I believe I've traveled to that website. He's a lovely man. I've met him once or twice at events. And he is so immersed in this stuff that he's now like this brand ambassador.

And they just send him things and he does these vlogs about them. He bought an Aston Martin this year. He realized that the suits don't look great if you don't have a body. So he, like, did P90X and he's all jacked. He's, like, really, really gone for it. There's another one that, uh, fucking, I'm flaking on it now. Um, I have it in my notes. Well, I'm happy to vamp while that's going on.

I, it is, it is, it, it's interesting this whole sort of, uh, world of bond of the material world of bond. Right. And, and how, I describe it as like, being able to cosplay every day without anyone knowing you're cosplay.

Exactly. If you're not full on cosplaying, if you're not putting on the entire outfit, it's this weird

invisible, not weird, it's this invisible little moment where you can go, oh, yeah, I've got, I've got the best watch.

As you once said on this podcast, you said, if you're a man of a certain age, you want to know what's quality. Yes.

And it's just this shorthand list of, these brands are quality brands. And so you can kind of, you know, so I put on a great

pair of shoes and you kind of just puts a little Phil's got the quantum... You know, it's funny. I... I was literally thinking, today I was thinking,

and I almost said this out loud to you two gentlemen, of the fact that, like, it has been now so long since a James Bond movie has come out that I feel like everything I know is unfashionable. Do you know what I mean?

You don't know what I'm doing. I do feel like... Like, even my eyeglasses are James Bond. I love it, love it. I think in a very real sense, fashion has slowed down quite a bit. If you look at like 65 to 75, it's crazy how different fashions are,

but in the last, 15 years, it's kind of slowed down quite a bit. I think to us, to us. But then I think you think about you think, but I think once you get into like the world of like streetwear and like Supreme and like the sneakers are huge now and, you know, the sweatpants that have huge long crotches, like those are very stylish things that I will never wear. Yeah. So for me, fashion, I like to think of fashion, not as like what John Mayer is wearing right now

on an Instagram video, but more of like what Daniel Craig is wearing at a press interview. But I take your point. You're saying even like adult regular wear didn't change that much in 10, or did change more in 10 years than it has for like the three of us probably look relatively similar to what we did 10 years ago. Yeah. Yeah. I do think once you age out of it.

And I guess it's the bigger question of fashion versus style. Fashion is what he's describing as of the moment and it's gone. Right. Style is timeless. I agree. Theoretically. Like you look at the style. You look at the way everyone's dressed in the first Ghostbusters movie.

It's timeless. Yeah. Like they're all constantly. buttoned ups and suits. And like you watch that movie now and it's timeless. And Bond for the most part, like early Bond is timeless. Roger Moore is very dated. Yeah, because he went for fashion.

Yeah. Over style. That's right. And his stuff did kind of, he has a bigger spectrum. He also, until Craig took the role, had the longest tenure. Yeah. So you saw the most change. By the way, I like to think that those that blog, those blogs, those places,

when I talked to Daneo Craig on that Nerdist podcast, I bet they had a fucking field day. Oh, sure. with the things I was asking. Absolutely. I remember the other one I want to tell you about. It's the suits of James Bond, which you guys have probably seen. That guy is super detailed. This is just an observation, but he's gotten really cranky about the Craig era over the course of a year.

He used to be sort of objective about it. And now he's just throwing shade at all of Craig's outfits because he's saying they're going to date quickly because of cuts and whatnot. I wonder about that. They are so tightly cut that I don't think they'll in the same way that I think Brosnan's age horribly. But what's great about the Craig stuff. I know I like that one too. What's great about the Craig stuff is that, again, in Skyfall, they made the clothing, like, tied it to the themes of the movie. Like, it made sense that he looked the way he did in that movie.

Even if he was busting out of the suit so much, somewhat. And I think that's sort of what we respond to with Craig. The way we responded to Connery, there's the dandy, there's Roger Moore, and there's Pierce Brosant. But when it looks like a bricklayer in the most expensive suit in the world, you got Conner, you got Craig. That's just a combination that does it. And I will say, I have worn... It does it for you? Yeah, me too.

The Shanghai outfit and the Scotland outfit of Dan Craig and Skyfall, I have worn both of those outfits fully. Top to bottom? Top to bottom, many times. Yeah. Not as much as I'd like because it does get cold very often here. I know that's the problem. But like you walk out of the door and you just feel like, uh, I know what I know how to dress.

Yeah. Including the scarf? Yeah. That's a hard one. Yeah. Because that scarf, he looks a little, a little, Fancy. Oh, I love it.

Oh, my God. You know what? If I had the balls, here's what I'd be wearing. An open every day. A button up, open down to the second button with one of those little scarves that's just tied in the little tails kind of like poke out. You know, like a Tuscan man out in his garden. Hell yes.

Like I love that look. And that is as dandy as you can get. Whenever I picture Fleming, that's what he's wearing. He wears a scarf like that. You haven't seen in years, and then I saw Jude Law wearing that recently, or like five years ago or something. He is the young pope. He is. What I think is worth noticing about the Bond fashion thing and the explosion of it is that Craig is the first bond to be the bond on screen when you could go Google the shoes.

Yeah, right. When you could just source every last thing that he wore. And it has been a boon for all those clothing labels. Billy Reed, who made that P-coat that you wore. Their sales are up like, you know. it. Oh, they have to be clear. Because prior to that, it was always like an ad in a magazine of like,

these are the sunglasses, Brosman wears and as seen. Or you'd have to be walking by the Crockett and Jones to notice the Crockett and Jones had a skyfall thing in the window. And the Omega Ed is the choice of James Bond. Yes. Look at you guys. Those watches are amazing.

Yeah, you know, Mr. Myra has an Omega C-Master. With a 300 with a NATO strap on it. I did not bring my NATO strap, but I have put this one on a NATO strap from time to time. You know what? It's always a good move. I find it to be this well, for a long time

actually I wore this just with the brown leather strap which is how Daniel Craig wears his. Sure. When I tried his on. Oh, right. It was on a brown leather strap. Nice. Nice.

Now I want to know about your NATO tuck because that's a point of contention online as well. Yeah, whether to tuck or not. I tuck just because I started tucking and now when you untuck it's got a bend to it and I'm like, well, this just looks stilly. So I tuck. Fair enough. I'm a tucker. I believe James Bond does not

tuck. I think it's a tucking. inside tuck as opposed to an outside tuck. Oh, like going the... It goes the other way. Yeah, so this one, yeah, this one tucks in outside. Oh, what did we hear?

Oh, my goodness. If I don't see someone who looks like they're trying to figure out what's going on with that moon raker. This is my Sinclair Safari jacket. Very nice. I just love it.

Oh, good grief. You wear it well. It looks good on you. You are a good frame to dress, my friend. Oh, well, you are lucky that way. I don't know about that, but thank you. I can't wait to design more outfits for you. Please do. I'd be happy to.

You can design and send your outfits to James Bonding, care of Earwolf. Yeah, so the Tom Ford suit, as we all are familiar with on Daniel Craig, is something I've been wanting to purchase and pull the trigger on for a long time. but I've never been at the weight where I was like, this is my weight, I'm going to stay here for a long time, so I cannot justify these $6,000 for the suit. So I have never pulled the trigger. I wanted to get married in a Tom Ford Tuxedo. Yeah.

But I was like, you know what, why don't we just pay for half the wedding instead of buying this tuxedo? Well, you had an attack of reason. Yeah, yeah. Okay. But instead I just, you know, I knocked it off. I went with the Brooks Brothers tuxedo that looked very similar to the Tom Ford tuxedo. Not the same cut ever, but...

I've not yet pulled a trigger on a Tom Ford item beyond sunglasses myself. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What is, what are like those Specter sunglasses? There's a couple. There's a couple. There's this one and there's the Funeral ones. Those are the Snowdens. Those are my backup pair of eyeglasses. What do they run you in them? Yeah, how much? 250, maybe? How much? 250? Oh. Yeah, you can go, but if you go to, if you go to Tom Ford and buy them, they're 450, like you pay full retail. Well, where do you get them for 250? You go online. You can get them on Amazon for a reputable seller. I mean, that's still a lot for sunglasses, but I was expecting something like those to be like $500 if they're Tom Ford or something.

No, they're a little more attainable. That sort of makes it, you know, part of the fun of that. But like, I have a Tom Ford wallet. I bought at the Tom Ford outlet when I was in Palm Springs. Yeah. I would never have a Tom Ford wallet had I had a time. I would never have a Tom Ford thing. But, you know, Mason and Sons in London who resurrected the Anthony Sinclair brand, do a whole. It's an experience to go there and get fitted for a suit and whatnot. And I think that... I want to do that. It was delightful. They've got to shop in New York now. So you can have to leave the country. I've become very friendly with the Crockett and Jones shop in Manhattan.

Yeah? Up on 55th and 5th. It's like a block away from the fucking shit tower. A block away from the Crockett and Tubbs. A block away from that Gucci that's in that big black building. And those guys are very nice. and I think I have four pairs of those boots Only because the same model

No, just different styles of them But only because The first pair I bought I have worn into the ground And once those are broken in They're like the most comfortable things ever And it's like Well I could spend $100 on a pair of boots Every year

Or I could spend $500 once And then have them for I've now had those skyfall boots for Yeah When did that movie come out? $1,500 boots. Wow. That'd be tough. I've had it for six years.

I've had those boots for six years. So that's a hot, 75? It's a pair of boots. They become a legacy part of your work. That's true. If you guys had to choose one bond item that you own, you only get to keep one. What is it going to be? What's your most go-to item?

It'd be the, it'd be the Skyfall watch that I got married in just because I got married with that watch on. You guys got married inside a watch? We did. We all shrunk down. We use some fun technology, a little Zelensky tech and a little bit of the PIM tech. Okay. Phil? You know, weirdly, I'd probably say my Skyfall watch as well just because of the sentimental value of it. My wife got it for me for an anniversary.

This is sweet. The both of you. And we were in Switzerland. And it was just a real cool day. Oh, my God. But if you're talking clothing, it might be the Skyfall boots because those guys taught me how to wear the right size shoe. Like I spent an afternoon in there and they were like, no, you see how this is doing this and you see how it feels better? I got to tell you, right?

So I've told them 11.5, 11 and a half, 11 and a half, 11 and a half. They're like, no, no, you're an 11 here. And the pair of boots I have that are in 11 are so uncomfortable. But every 11 and a half I have, thumbs up. I actually recently went up to a 12 on a couple of them. But anyway, long story short, great boots. I'm choosing my Sinclair Safari jacket that Phil gave me because it's, well, it's the only bond tied to my own. You think it is, but Matt is wearing a,

a very close relative of the Adidas gazelles that Bond is wearing in Skyfall when he's going through his physical. Yeah, I've had these for 20 years, though. I have those as well. They're great shoes. They're great sneaker. It's a weird habit that can get away from you, a weird hobby that can become a bigger thing. And I've seen it happen online. Well, I can tell you right now, Phil's got the Levi jacket, which... I do. That is a pretty penny.

That's a good looking jacket. That is a jacket. I have been like, oh, I would never be able to wear that. I'd never pull that off. That's his turkey coast scorpion drinking jacket. With Bond is a bum, and that felt correct to me. That felt to my personality. Let's see that on you, Phil. You just saw it on you. No, you didn't wear your coat out to lunch.

Oh, that's true. It's nicely broken in. What I like to do is just touch it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like to just put my hands on it because it's this real soft. Now, Phil, have you ever thought about ordering the white shirt with a pattern? They don't. They don't make those anymore.

Oh, they don't? No. That was a Zara shirt. and, you know, those collectors. Those collectors that I was telling you about, they snapped them up. And if you see those online, they,

those guys spend, I mean, I think it was like an $80 shirt and those guys spend like $500 on an original. Well, I've seen the barber coat go for. The barber one is crazy. A fuck ton. Is that one done being made?

There's the first one that's the Z. Zhang. Z. Zhang is the name of that designer. Yeah. This is the Skyfall. The Skyfall Barber shotgun coat. I've seen that coat. The original,

that version. that version of that code go for $1,200. Good Lord. I think it's sold for probably $400 or $600 when it came out. But then they released one under the barber just, it's called the Commander B. Yeah. Yeah. I'll confess among friends here that I did find out what that jacket was before the movie came out.

And I owned it before Skyfall came out. Great job, man. And then I had it altered to be more screen accurate. You'd have certain buttons removed and a zipper taken off. And I did that. That's fabulous. So what? That's fabulous.

Do they do that in the production or do they go? a different version. No, yeah, the costume designer gets their hands on it and tears it up and all that stuff. Wow. Because it has this hood that you could zip on and remove. And he doesn't wear the hood, obviously. And I sold that hood online for like $100. You sold the hood?

Did you keep the triangle on? Yeah. Yeah. You know, the one thing, I will say this. The one thing I would like to own from the James Bond, uh, Daniel Craig era of movies that I know that I will never own because my wife will never let me do it. I want the

James Bond's father's shotgun Which is licensed And they made them What? Wow You didn't know that they made those? I think I made a few of them And I think they are not

Who makes them? It's the compass Old gun company in England And are they monogramed A-B? Yes Are you kidding? Not kidding Oh my God

That's like the thing I would be like You know what? I want that shotgun But my wife Although I wonder if she would let me get it How much is that? shells for it and just put it up on the wall. Yeah.

How much is that? I feel like when I was looking at it was $4,000 to $9,000. That's too much. That's the thing. These things, it's just like I can never quite go that far with just something I have adoration for. It's an Anderson Wheeler 500 Nitro double rifle. And it came with a, when you would buy it. Let me show you the case here.

Oh, my goodness. Oh, that's pretty. I mean, come on. Sure. What a gorgeous. What a gorgeous piece of memorabilia to have. Hell yes. That you will never...

Oh, I'm sorry. The exact same rifle is used by Bond in Skyphal can be custom ordered at Anderson Wheeler for approximately $24,500. Oh. Matt left the room. Let's order it on his computer. Matt, can I borrow $24,500? That's actually how much that rifle is. Yes, but I have a quick question.

Can I borrow that money to lend to you? Yes. Deal. Do you have a picture of it? Let me see. Uh, I do. Let me,

let me pop back here. Oh, boy, this is, guys, I hope you're excited about the James Bond, uh, memorabilia that we're discussing here. Hmm.

He's in love with it. I'm actually more in love with a K, I love a good case. Oh, like a, something that has a quality case. Sure. Oh.

I just like the anagramness of it and, and, and, God, I don't know. There's also, like, I don't, I don't walk around trying to pretend to be James Bond. No. It's not my M-O. I am a dirty vodka martini drinker.

Sure. Just because, like, when I turn 21, this is the first drink I ordered. Wow. And that is just my, you know, I've developed the taste for them, and I love them, and I drink them whenever I'm having a drink with dinner or whatever. But I don't try to, like, I don't know. pretend. Like a lot of these guys that you see these pretend bond guys that go full bore

into it are just like the grossest. They're like the Trump kids. They all like they all have that sort of to them. Yeah. Well because bond by definition wouldn't emulate someone else. You know what I mean? Correct.

It's the least bond thing in the world to dress up like another person. Yes. Exactly. Give or take a clown. Yeah. It's a no win situation. Perfectly apply the makeup before you leave the trailer. Yes. All right, I want to end with you guys, we all have to make one prediction about Bond 25. Oh.

Before we do that. Yeah. I know we're trying to wrap this up. But I wanted to, I wanted to extend an olive branch to Matt Meyer about, about Tomorrow Never Dies. You shit faces. Oh, that's right. You're feeling about the greatest Pierce Bros. I want olive branch.

Yeah. Hey, it's okay. The offer is made, whether it's accepted, is not in my control. I feel like, I want you to know that I have. since your podcast bought Tomorrow Never Dies on Blu-ray. And I have, like, it was the one that wasn't in the collection. I bought it. And I did find, you know, some merit in moments.

I do think that Brosnan just deserved a better run than he got. I agree with that. But, you know, that's it. I wanted you to have something. You can't argue with the fact that that movie is so prototypical James Bond. Do you not love how Phil always comes with gifts? There's always gifts. Phil, you're out of control right now.

So, like, people are, like, unboxing podcasts, right? Phil, that's wrapped. Phil has wrapped something. This is something for you. Look at this Dr. No theme. It's the best I could do. Everything else was Christmas in the closet. The paper looks like, my wife.

This is from my favorite scene in Tomorrow Never Dies, which I think you guys didn't like that scene, but... Can I... Let me take you back... Can I guess as to what this is about even opening it? I think you'll know. This feels like it might be a brioni tie, I know. It's... It is not.

a brioni tie because in that scene he was not wearing a brioni tie it's uh wait who makes this tie it's on there on the cellophane oh my god turnbull and asser tie oh turnbull and asser that's yes this will be i guarantee here's my here's my personal guarantee i will find a way to wear this on one of the after tricks yes which which scene is this from the hamburg scene when he uh when he finds her dead And he has the scene with Vincent Chiavelli. Oh, right. He has the weird sexy moment. Dr. Kaufman.

Dr. Kaufman. Oh, yeah. And then he does the remote control car thing in the parking garage. Stumpa! Fering that very sharp. Oh, my God. So is this a vintage tie that you found? No, no.

Do they still print it? They do sometimes. You have to get on a wait list. This has been in my house for about eight months. And once it's available, you've got to kind of pounce on it. So that's what I did. I just thought, From your favorite bond film.

As someone who wears suits and ties on a fairly regular basis, this is a genius gift to get someone. I didn't want to get you something you weren't going to wear, but I knew you do wear ties occasionally. I'm going to pull out the old sea master. Yeah, look over here.

Yeah, nice. Yeah, well, enjoy it. Wear it in good health, as they say. This is an amazingly thoughtful gift. Sure. And the cut of this tie is so, 1990s. It is a little 90s, but you know, everything's cyclical. The white tie

will come back. But also like the beauty of it is I sit at a desk. Yeah, there you go. You button the jacket, it's fine. This is just... Like it. Matt, what have you done lately? Phil just came in and gifted us with the amazing thing. I'm just sitting here and looking pretty. That's it. Oh, this is... I love it. I love this. I love this.

Thank you, Phil. This is very kind. You're welcome. To give me something from one of the greatest James Bond movies ever made. I thought you might feel that way. This is beautiful. This is just, this is a quality gift. Right on. All right.

I hope this was fun to listen to. This is amazing. It was fun to be here for it. Look for me with this tie on a computer screen near you. Right on. I rarely get to be on actual television. Sorry, Matt Gourley, I interrupted you.

You wanted to talk about predictions of up on 25. Yeah, I say we each make one prediction and see how close we get. All right. to do that as I make a foley artist's noise for someone being trapped in a cellophane factory. I honestly, here's my, my prediction is that the, um, the villain will have been a victim of sexual assault at some point. Oh, wow. Okay. I will predict it will be the most traditional bond film Craig has ever done. Wow. And that in its sense.

will be a revolutionary act. I predict the story will exist on its own, but they will wrap up something to do with Madeline Swan at some point in the film. They'll take a moment to quickly deal with that so they can get on with something that exists as its own little piece. And I also predict it will be directed by Danny Boyle and have a female villain and a protege woman. I predict that the Aquatera makes a return. appearance. The aquatera.

That's the blue watch that he's wearing with the silver Tom Ford. Let's each make a prediction for the theme song artist. Oh, gosh. This is so hard this far out, but Cardi B. No, I'm going to say they get Adele back. Florence in the Machine. More of a wish of a little thinking than a guest. I'd like that.

She'd be great. Yeah. Yeah, I think the move to go get a Dell back would be interesting, but I... I think it's actually better that they don't, didn't do her back to back, because it's even more of a Shirley Bassie, like, keep going back to the well that works. A return to greatness. Yeah.

Yeah. Do they go to Shirley Bassie? Ooh. Could she pull it off? More than anything, I want David Arnold back. Yeah, me too. And he's worked with Danny Boyle. In what?

What's the Leo DiCaprio thing? Oh, that's right. The island? Or the beach? The beach. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Who's his cinematographer?

I don't know that he has a one. Yeah. But if he does, I don't know who it is. Yeah. Bring David Arnold back. Please. Please and thank you. And also, I would be not upset if we saw Joe Don Baker back.

All right, take it easy. Before we go, I want to mention that at the last Pistol Shrimms game, a James Bonding fan walked up to me and handed me these. He has made something called Thunderball, the Matt Scuda. cut, and it is 20 minutes shorter. So whether you believe in that kind of blasphemy, or you're happy to have a little bit of respite from the long scenes. Not in my house. You can go to Matt Skuta, S-K-U-T-A-D-A-com slash cuts, or it's on Vimeo as well, and

the password is Aqua Fan. I might watch it. I believe there's also, isn't there also a four-year-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-R-E-E-M-E instead of the Bill-C-C-C-U-C-T-Grief out there? I don't know. It's blasphemy, but that may be. one I'd be curious to see. I think there might also be a golden eye with Beria music. All right, Phil, it's just a luxury to have you here. Thanks for having me. Thanks for letting me say

Fangoria.com once or more times. Of course. Right. Just to get that out of there. No, we got to talk about this very briefly. We know that if you listen, you'll be listening next week as well and you're going to hear a lot about how Phil is now the editor-in-chief of the re-resorrected Fangoria into a premium quarterly magazine. Yes, sir. So just tell us a couple things. Maybe you can tell us something about that they won't hear next week. Oh, I can't remember what I said about that thing. But I've been a horror kid since I was, you know, a little fella. And this, like, I'm running the magazine that got me into film in the first place is a dream that I dared not dream for myself.

So this is a very cool part of my life that I'm very excited about. And when you hear more about it next week, I am so excited for this thing to come out. I will be a subscriber and can't wait. Thank you, man. October it is. Yes, sir. More like shocktober. Fangoria is back.

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