James Bonding - Skyfall with Steve Agee

Episode Date: October 12, 2022

Matt and Matt invite Steve Agee to discuss how the sky falls! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Now entering nerdist.com. James Bond starts when we start singing a song and it goes something like this and this is James Bon on James Bonding podcast, Superstar. You just put yourself in contention to win an Oscar. Yeah. Really? Because the easiest thing to write in the world is a James Bond song. Yeah, that's true. And you nailed it.

That whiskey voice charmer right there. is our guest for the James Bonding podcast today, Steve A.G. Shaken and stirred. What? How did he do it? You probably have to start every podcast saying, giving a spoiler warning. We haven't done that.

Yeah, there will be spoilers on us. No, I mean, listen. If you haven't seen the movie, what do you do and listen in to this? Yeah, mom. Don't be such a piece of shit. My mother would never listen to anything I did. Oh, that's not true. Mine wouldn't either. That's not true. My mom would, she just doesn't know how.

We should teach her. Is your mom local? Local. No, she's in Florida, but I can get her out here. Let's do a... Or dad's podcast. Because you got yours from your sister, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You should have your sister and my dad on. Oh, my God. No one wants that. Well, everybody... Half of it, I'm okay with it. Well, our dads and our sisters do. This is Matt Gourley. This is Matt Myra.

This is James Bonding. We are... Matt and Matt and Matt. James Bonding with Matt and Matt. Steve Agee, you are our second guest. That's right. Welcome to the podcast. Thanks, guys.

We sat down with Steve, the three of us together last night. We had a powwow. We had a pre-podcast powwow where we got Steve to not fall asleep during Skyfall. Yeah. It descended into turning Albert Finney into like a Foster Brooks stroke victim. Oh, Mr. Bond, I've been watching your house while we were gone. Yeah, for the last 40 minutes of the movie, we were just talking like that. As soon as he shows up, it was, we were done.

Yeah, there was nothing else to say except Albert Fiddy. I fuck the Abernathy twins in this tunnel. Emma. Emma. Yeah, follow me, Emma. All right, so we watch Skyfall. So we watch Dr. No. now we watched Skyfall, so we're going to go back to front, meet in the middle.

We're flanking. We're flanking the Bond movies. We're going to be meeting it for your eyes only with Tom Lennon. That's the one he desperately wants to talk about. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, so that's what we're meeting at. So, Steve, you saw Skyfall. Yeah. Let's talk first.

Let's just discuss a little bit about your background with James Bond. Did you like it as a kid? Did you watch it a lot? Did you ever get into it? Yeah, I think I've seen all the Bond movies. This latest one, Skyfall, I didn't see in theaters. and I've tried watching maybe twice on DVD since and always started it at a time when I was really tired. So somewhere in the middle I would always fall asleep.

So I'd never seen it all the way through. Wow, I'm glad we got you to watch it. I will say this about Skyfall, having now seen it 10 times, maybe. Yeah. It does have its lulls. Yeah, because it tries to be very real and serious. Yeah. It loses a little bit of the excitement.

Maybe a little too real and serious. Yeah, I, man, maybe. Maybe we're going to talk about that. Honestly, I also, after watching, still don't know what that movie was about. Well, that's part of my problem with it. Something about a list. I know it's about a list, right?

Yeah, it's the bucket list. Yeah, you got to get the knock list back. And wants her bucket list back, because she doesn't have long. She has 20 agents she really wants to fuck before she dies. She needs that list. This movie is almost universally

praised and I feel bad for saying I have mixed feelings about it. That's where I think I'm finally coming down. It's taken me a long time to really do some soul searching, maybe light some candles, draw a bath. Cut some farts. Out of the Lompoc plane. And that's where I'm at, but we'll get into that.

No, I saw, listen, I, I thoroughly enjoyed the movie when it came out. I was like, I was way on board. And I think it, maybe having been deprived a good James Bond movie, save for Casino Royale, I feel like there hadn't been a good one for 15 years, like 10, 15 years. And I still like it. I mean, visually, it's an amazing movie.

It's a beautiful movie. That's a really well done. That may be the best thing about it, the way it looks. And I mean that is high praise, because I still like the movie. Katie sent me a website. Katie, our fearless producer who is at a dentist's appointment. Miss Money Pettling. Our Miss Money Pettit.

It puts teeth above James Bond. Her dentist appointment was at Tooth Purdy. It really is almost too. 30. Thanks, Todd Glass. Todd's favorite joke. So, yeah, so we watched Skyfall, but Katie sent us, sent me a website, the Bond by the Numbers, James Bond by the Numbers.

It's really fantastic. It sort of breaks down all the numbers we were talking about. So I wanted to start by recapping Dr. No, and we'll do this with Steve here, because we're bookending 50 years of James Bond with Dr. No. 50 years. 50. 51. 51.

And that's just the cinema. It's what, 61? Literary? Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on.

Come on. Eileen. Come on, Cey. All right. The overall beret-wearing skank. What would that come from? It's a long.

Oh, Daxie's Midnight Runner. In reference. She was cute, though. Which one? The girl in Dexie? That one that plays Eileen. Now, what do you think that song is about? Let's be honest.

Because that's what we're here to talk about. Do we think it's actually about coming on Eileen? Oh, I never really took it that literally. In the modern age, it definitely is... You guys are so cynical, and I'm pure. And I'm pure. Dexie's Midnight Runnering. Podcast dedicated to Dexie's Midnight Runner.

My ex-girlfriend, I dressed up. as them for Halloween once. Went over like a lead, piece of lead. A balloon made of Dexie's Midnight Runners. I'm trying, I'm sorry, everybody.

I'm trying to find that fucking... He's looking up James Bond by the numbers. I am. Which is all reenactments of James Bond done by the cast of the CBS show numbers. Oh. I'd watch that. Judd Hirsch's M, right? That'd be great.

Yeah. They want HBO, they call you. Bond, what are you doing? Get out in the field. Find my list. I'm doing math. Are you finding my list? It's a grocery list, Bond.

You found it. Aegee, did you watch with like a parent or anything? Did you have someone that got you into Bond or it was just always there? It's my friends. Yeah. Got me into them. And I started, and it started for me in the Roger Moore era. Yeah.

And then later, you know, my late teen, I went back. Late teens, I went back to it. Do you guys remember the Menendez Brothers Alibi? No, I don't remember their alibi. Their alibi was, they bought a movie ticket for, I believe, the living daylights. What? The living daylight. That was the movie.

Guilty as charged. It was either the living daylights or licensed to kill. It would be funnier if it was licensed to kill. Wow. Oh, come on. Do you remember the first one you saw in the theater? Fuck. I want to say for your eyes only.

Oh, yeah. Maybe. I know I saw a moonrink. or really early, but I don't know if I saw that in the theater. It might have been on like select TV or on TV. Select TV. One of those pay channels. All right.

May 8th, 1963, everybody. Doctor now comes out. Budget, one million dollars. Shit, really? Yeah. That's amazing. Ended up grossing $16 million. So they got back

Quite a bit of their money What did this new one cost That's what I'm going to tell you As soon as this thing loads Why is this? I'm having a problem with this website right now And the fact that it's not loading Skyfall blues

Skyfall blues Get out your clarinet and play Skyfall blues Skyfall blues Skyfall blues Blue Sky four blues Blue sky falls at me.

Come on. God damn motherfuckers. Well, I can talk something about the history of this. I can cut this out, this part out.

Don't worry about this. I just need this website. The only... Every time I think I'll talk about the difference between Fleming and the movie, and obviously this isn't a Fleming title. Correct.

Maybe not obviously. Maybe you don't know that. What was Ian Fleming's last book? It was A Man with a Golden gun. Wow. Really? Yeah. Wow. And then he had notes for another one that Martin Amos finished

right? Colonel Sun. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Under a pen name, he finished it. But the one thing from this movie that is from Fleming is that Bond's parents died. Yes. In a mountain climbing accident and his

father was... His father mucker. his father muckin' father his father was his father was Scottish and his mother was

Swiss I think Yeah and they died in the Alps right Yes They died in the Swiss Alps But then Fleming Only made Scots Or Bond's ancestry Scottish after Connery had played him

In the movie he went In one of the novels And kind of I think he liked that So he went back He ret condom Yeah he did He sure did And that's how you end up with

This guy Oh Blues The internet is the slowest fucking thing in the world's day. But your Wi-Fi is really sketchy in this house. This

country drive You don't even have a TV at this house. Yeah, Bob, Bha. Bud, why are all these bad guys shooting at your house?

James. What did you say you say again? After we spent all that time talking like Albert Finney, Gore Lee texted me last night that he started watching Foster Brooks clips online.

I did over and over. My God. I think he's the only comedian that has done one character his entire life that I never got. Anyone listening who doesn't know who that is, who I probably imagine is actually a lot of people. He was probably best known for the Dean Martin roasts.

He played a drunk character. Well, that's it. Better than anybody. And it's broadly funny, but incredibly real. Just Google Foster Brooks and Pilot. And there's a sketch with Dean Martin. Where he's an airline pilot. Yeah.

Yeah. I thought there was a Foster Brooks unaired pilot. I wish. It's a biopic. I watched something, too, where he must have done it, like, around 2000. because he lived in 2003. Oh, shit. Wow.

And he was... Because he looked old in those roast. Yeah, yeah, and he's still doing that same character. So funny. Did you guys see, there was a thing on Reddit, completely unrelated. They did, they showed the cast of Back to the Future. Yes. With their 30-year, their makeup from 85, so they're 85 makeup.

And they showed them currently. And I've always said this about Tom, particularly Tom Wilson. They fucking nailed the makeup. Yeah. Like, they look exactly like their character. Really? Yeah. Is Tom Wilson Biff?

Yeah. And he looks like that guy? He looks, Biff, 1985 Biff looks like Tom Wilson now. Is he bald? No. Wasn't he bald? I'm thinking of the, like, bad future one. You're thinking of 1985B?

No, it's not a comb over. Is it a comb over? I think it's thin. I don't know if it's a comb. Maybe. Well, Tom lucked out. He has a great head of hair. Oh, nice.

So that all worked out. So does Leah Thompson. Leah Thompson. God damn it. She was so... She has a great head of hair of Tom. Wilson's hair. She'd scalp any actor she worked with.

She's part chocka key. Chalka key. I can't find this. So, guys, guess what? We're going to talk about Skyfall starting now. Skyfall. All right, so Skyfall, traditional cold open of the James Bond movie, which became a tradition after Goldfinger, which is the opening that is its own little adventure.

Wait, from Russia with Love has a cold open. The little maze, the mask pulling off mustache guy. Yeah, but that's not James Bond on a fun cold open. Although I guess it's James Bond in disguise. Yeah. All right. We're going to argue semantics. But anyway.

Pick aside, Steve. Steve? The right side. Oh, nicely done. Okay, so we have, we have, yeah, we have, sorry, I got a text of Shaquille and Yon. Don't worry about it. Nice. Now, some people had an issue with this film because it doesn't start with that.

classic gun barrel sequence, which none of the Daniel Craig ones have. But I would argue that this one gives you like a figurative of one of those. Because he's not in focus. He comes forward in this like kind of hallway. And his eyes come into focus and he pulls his gun out. And you get a taste of it in a realistic way, which I kind of liked. Yeah. Plus this movie, the way this movie ends is the way a James Bond movie should fucking start.

Right. The movie ends with James Bond saying something to money. penny going into em's office and being handed a case file yeah yeah we were talking about this last night that we both want the next movie to be bon going into the office getting a mission yeah and then and then leaving getting some stank on his hang down yeah maybe bring back sylvia trench maybe maybe have a little sylvia trench you're talking after the opening the cold opening yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i want it's cold opening to be i want it to be completely unrelated to what's happening in the rest of the story.

And I want it to happen and I want the gun barrel to be there. Now, yeah, that's my problem. The end of, the end of Skyfall is the best, my favorite ending of a James Bond movie. Because it's sort of saying to you guys, you two particularly, sorry about the way we did the other three movies. My bad. Here now, here's a taste of what you'll get in the next movie, which is going to be a, a James Bond movie that follows the formula we've all come to know and love. Yeah.

Now, do you give them credit for sort of changing the formula over the years, or do you sort of go, that's not really what we're into this for? Well, at times, I think it's worked, but I will say, I'm going to say right now, Casino Royale, the Daniel Craig says, it's my favorite James Bond movie. Mine too. He's now my favorite James Bond, which is why I have such make feelings when I say I don't love this movie, but I like where it leaves us. Yeah.

Well, let's, let's, okay, so we talked about the gun barrel. Let's now jump back to the beginning. We don't have a gun barrel. So here we are. We're following James Bond on a mission in Turkey, right? So obviously the Grand Bazaar is going to play a fun role on that, which we shall call the Grand Bazaar C.G face replacement. This is where I have a problem.

Can I just take a minute? Because Casino Royale puts Bond in the real world. and manages to deliver some real world humor that I think is really successful. Quantum of Solis goes too somber. It doesn't do it well. This one wants both, but I don't think it always succeeds. So my thinking is don't do a motorcycle chase across rooftops if you have to do face replacement. What?

Because Bond has always been known for practice. Steve, it's pretty simple. Stay with the realism of the motorcycle chase, but then don't have a fucking... Don't do CG-looking face. or look like they're wearing digital masks and stuff. It just took me out. Also... That didn't bother me at all.

Okay, this is bullshit. When they get on top of the train and there's just a chain laying there for a fight, you know? I wrote that down, too. Loose chain. Yeah, it feels very Roger Moore Bond or old bond, but not in the right way. And it just, I think once you get to the point

after the motorcycle chase, when he does that thing off the bridge, which is awesome. He lands on the train and there's that backhoe that rips it apart, and he doesn't think it was cuffs that works really well but the i don't know i'm all for that yeah just throws me did you now here's another thing too this this movie starts with m in james's ear okay and uh i i've come to find that this whole movie james bond is never really by himself yeah

he's always got something or someone in his ear yeah someone's always he's always got a sidekick even when he gets to Scotland and it's there's someone in his oh you mean in real life there's someone there with him yeah he's just always got it's like that last Indiana Jones movie with his father Jones doesn't do much he doesn't do much himself all these other people are doing

he's just kind of along for the ride yeah now you're talking about the last crusade right we're not no I'm talking we're ignoring crystal geyser I'm talking about Indian Jones and the Crystal Geyser I'd watch that would have been better I'd watch that holy shit Okay, so we don't know

We don't know what's happened with this situation James Bond is obviously He's doing, he's got a very modern crime on his hands He's looking for a hard drive Which I also love that he Picks up the computer Which clearly doesn't have a hard drive in it And shakes it

She's like, are you sure the hard drive's missing And it's like torn apart And he still lifts it up It's like, yeah, I'm fucking sure And he goes over to Ronson and shakes him Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, poor Ronson there with a bullet in his chest. Very sad. Now, Chase ensues, obviously, Turkish Bazaar.

You got Moneypenny driving a Land Rover. Obviously, we don't know it's Moneypenny yet. There's an Audi, a Land Rover, a Volkswagen, and all of them are almost said by name, which just makes me annoyed because of just the ridiculous amount of product placement that is in this movie. Yeah, that's always been James Bond. I mean, what's the earliest product placement? I suppose Smear enough.

Yeah. That's in Dr. Nau. Very clear. Right. And Red Stripe. Yeah, Red Stripe. Yeah. Bollinger.

Don't they have a Bollinger or is it Dampagnan? Donpernion. Yeah. But that's just a class. Don't worry about it. Okay. So the Gravazar Chase, I thought, was fun. I didn't have a huge problem with the CG.

Matt. I didn't. Okay, but. Yeah, I didn't either. Okay. Because I think they immediately make up for that with the fight on top of the train. Which is great. Which is fantastic.

And they shot that with fucking Daniel Craig on top of that train moving 40 miles an hour. I know. I got no complaints for that. That's awesome. So why couldn't they do Daniel Craig on a motorcycle? I think they could have done it. I think he's a better skateboarder than he's a motor cyclist. I don't know.

It just really took me out of it because it looks so. blurred like a CG thing. Now, let's, for a second, let's just talk about. Okay, so he's fighting this guy trying to get this hard drive back. By the way, the hard drive looks nothing like any hard drive I've ever seen. It looks like a VIP pass to a creed concert. Yep, that's exactly, exactly what it looks like. Bond, I need those creed tickets.

My daughter's thinking it going Christian. Oh, you're both bought it at the same time. McConville is boxing us. All right. So the, all right. He's trying to get that back. Money Petty takes the position to take a shot to try and help James Bond out. And as we all know from, I believe, in the trailer.

Yeah. Even. We should mention that he already gets shot by this assassin Patrice. Yes. Yeah. He gets shot in the shoulder. Well, he's in the tractor. Yeah.

And the logistics of this gun wound is interesting. Tell me about it. Well, you see him dig that bullet out later. Yes. But there's no mention of this Moneypenny bullet that puts him over the bridge. Oh, went through him. He says that. Does he?

Yeah. When does he say that? In the scene where they first meet back up with each other in MI6. And what does he say? A couple of ribs, no vital organs. Okay. So that would lead me to believe that that high-powered rifle would have gone through him. Steve?

I also thought the pistol bullet had gone through him because he's got a blood mark. Because there's blood on the back of his shoulder blade. I guess because what he pulls out are kind of like shards and shrap and all. And that gun is meant to kind of the bullet dissipates a bit. Yeah. I guess. All right. Well, we saved you a skyfall.

By the way, how terrifying is it when Patrice gets out of the Audi and points that handgun at him with two fucking Tommy gun size? Drum magazine. Drum magazine. And has the most indifferent look on his face. Ever since the Born movies, your assassins have to have no... Dead eyes. Yeah. And Bond does, to a certain extent, too.

Like, he'll throw his cell phone or his gun whenever he's done, and there's just no ceremony. Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. A lot of just unhappiness in this movie. It's in vogue. Not as much as Quantum of Salas, but... Yeah.

Okay, so let's talk about this. Money Penny takes the shot. Do you think that she should have done that? Yeah, we wouldn't have a movie. Mm. Well, she had to, right? I don't know why she didn't just shoot him in the leg. Their legs were clearly separated.

That's tough. I liked it. I like this whole thing. I like it starts with him dying, you know, basically. The fall into the water is beautiful. That is crazy. They can do this, this is what I'm saying. But they don't CG face replace. But if he was on a motorcycle falling, it wouldn't work.

I'm just saying they could have shot it in such a way. No, but that fall is very... You're like, oh. Backflops into the river. Just down. Worst posture. Just down. Mal was, Gourley was really obsessed with people's postures.

Because Ray Fines has the best character posture. I'm certain he's chosen this posture for Mallory, where he puts his hands in his pockets and puts his shoulders back, and I just love it. Gareth Mallory, our new M, we meet shortly after this. So, okay. When you're first seeing this movie, guys, when you first saw the movie, and you see James Bond. take that shot and then drop into the water. What are your thoughts? Seen it in the trailer about 93 times.

Well, even if it wasn't in the trailer, you know he's not going to be dead because he's James Bond and it's his movie. The stakes are, I feel like the stakes are very low for that kind of a thing. Yeah, it should have been more intense or something. Well, I think they did a great job of making it super intense. As far as like how they shot it and the fact that he falls on the water. And that shot of him going over the waterfall, Manican.

Beautiful mannequin. That's the mannequin they should have put on the motorcycle. Yeah, that's true. I'm glad you're with me. I love the sequence. I love the whole idea of this sequence. The way it's executed, except for those minor details, is good.

It really kicks you into the movie. Okay, then we get to the Academy Award-winning song, Skyfall. That's right. I'm a fan. I like it. I like the song, too. Who directed this movie, by the way? Sam Mendes.

Oh. He's doing the next one, too. In fact, they're postponing it a year, so he'll do it. Which I think is ridiculous. Do you? Yeah. I don't think that you need Sam Mendes to do with the next James Bond movie. I think there are enough people out there that can handle a James Bond movie.

I'm going to go into some deep territory. Oh boy, here we go. Steve Buckling. My issues with this movie are about the spy story. The characters and the execution of the film The Direction, I think is fantastic. But the actual spy story about being with the spy story about being. one step ahead of everything and planning, getting caught, very dark night. You know, it's very obviously influenced by the dark night.

It doesn't work for me. But these two writers that have been writing these Bond films all the way since, what, the world is not enough? Since the world is not enough, yeah. I have suspected are the problem, because I'm not a fan of any of these Brosnan movies. Then Casino Royale is amazing, but Paul Haggis works with them. Quantum of Solis is just okay, but Paul Haggis has said that the writer strike came along and he was able to do very little work on that.

Yeah, which that ended up getting sort of written by Daniel Craig and the director. Yeah. And then Skyfall comes along. John Logan works with Purvis and Wade. Yeah. I gather he's the one responsible for the good stuff in this movie, though it gets a little air and so. This is a very interesting. This is an interesting.

They're gone next movie, and we will see what just John Logan is going to do. Oh, you're shitting me. No, they quit. Well, they moved on. Oh, God. Thank you. And so now it's just John Logan. In fact, he's writing the next two, and I believe the treatments are,

already done for the next two, and he developed them with Sam Mendes. So I'm hoping that we're going to get something a little bit more believable. Well, here's what I'm, here's what I think. Here's what I think you do with that situation. You take your Sam Mendes and John Logan's story and you hand it to, I don't know, Martin Campbell. Oh, he probably wouldn't come back. I'd love it, though. Martin Campbell, I think two, two of, I think two of the better James Bond movies were directed by Martin Campbell. The best one, Casino, right? And Pierce Brousen's first one, Golden-Eye. Yeah, the best one of those nights. Maybe he's now, maybe they're going to sort of use Martin Campbell as the, okay, we have a new bond.

Show him to the world. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I hope they do that. Martin Campbell, by the way. The next bond is a new. No, no, no, it's two more.

It is Daniel Craig. Right? He's got two more movies. Cool. But Martin Campbell also directed the Green Lantern. Yeah. So, sorry. My bow.

Who? So bad. This opening sequence of this movie, the rather, the credit montage? Yeah. I loved it. Yeah, it had to grow on me a little bit, but I'm a fan. What is your favorite credit montage?

Oh, Christ. Steve, I want you thinking of an answer to. Well, I am absolutely in love with those Morris Bender ones. Just the optical girls dancing around. I know you can't really get away with that anymore, so it's like the spy who loved me. Yeah, those are just amazing. But I love Casino Royale. I love that playing card motif.

opening sequence. Yeah, but that's a little too computery for me even. I'm out of here. All right. I don't remember. I mean, I know. The only one that I think even remotely

sticks in my head is for some reason for your eyes only. Because Sheena Easton's like the first thing you see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That one's good. I'm going to go ahead and take the contrarian

standpoint on this. Sure. Quantum of Souls? No. License to kill? No. Beaver. Tomorrow never dies.

I don't remember that one. I don't remember it either. That's the one that's all X-ray. Oh, yeah, all right. With the bullets going in, the wall there. I think that stuff's cool. I also enjoy that song quite a bit. I'm not ashamed of it.

Who did that song? Cheryl Crow. Really? Yeah. So that's what I'm going to say about that. I love this opening titles when you get to that blood jellyfish Yeah, when you get to that sort of like it looks like blood vessels.

But you know what I noticed? It's a call back or a call forward to the map of the tube on the computer screen. Yeah. And so he's using all sorts of imagery from the film. That skull with the tombstone teeth. Matt really picked up a lot of stuff. Yeah. We had to go back and look at it.

For instance, tell them your latest discovery from the Skyfall opening. From the opening? Yes, your latest song discovery. Oh. The chair. The chair. there's this brief flash during the bridge where there's a guy in a chair being tortured,

his head's kind of tied back, and that silver being tortured by the Chinese guys. You see what he does? This guy's amazing. Oh, I'm the rain man of Bond. He really is. Huh. So, okay.

The movie then starts, you know, okay, so we're out of the, we're out of the credits, beautiful. Skyfall, great. You got a little nod to the man with the golden gun with him shooting the mirrors and stuff like that. You hear a little bit of a rainer yourself. That's why we found each other.

So you have that. Then sort of the movie starts. Here's the big plot of the movie, Steve. Here's what's happening. There's a list for some reason. Someone decided to put a list out. It's not really a bucket list, is it? Yeah, it's a list of agents.

It doesn't seem like a good idea. If a list of agents real names, why would that exist? Their cover names, and where they're embedded. Yeah. It's basically Steal this. No, it's the knock list.

It's the list from Mission Impossible. The movie Mission Impossible. Right. It's exactly what Tom Cruise is looking for. Yes. Yeah. It's a list of agents and where they're embedded. Right.

And the big plan of this Silva character, obviously the larger plan is for him to get revenge on M. But, but villain with a catchphrase. But I think the list as far as we don't know who this guy is, this guy is doing something terrible, his plan is to release things on YouTube. Basically. His big plan is to start his own YouTube channel. On the web.

Clearly, oh yeah, they say on the web. They don't say on YouTube. They say on the web. How intriguing did you find the initial plot? This is the thing is I don't. I find it to be ordinary and unbelievable for how realistic this movie tries to be. Right. And I just don't fit, feel like they fit.

So you don't think that a list of agents would exist and then end up on a laptop in Turkey? I didn't have a huge problem with that. It's just not an exciting McGuffin. And if you're going to go, like, just all of that thinking 80 steps ahead that Silva does, I just don't buy it, especially when he blows up the train and just happens to be in the right. right spot. It takes me out of a movie. That's so ridiculous. I like to think that that was a happy accident

on his part, that he meant to blow up that part of the wall, but he didn't know there was a terrain coming. Okay, so James is on a beach, having a good time while some shit's going down. Wolf Blitzer lets him know there's a movie happen. Yeah, but we're forgetting the goddamn C.G. Scorpion on his hand. This would not have been C.

Oh, yeah. In another bond mate. Yeah, I didn't know that was C.G until, like, the third or fourth time I watched it. I just have like a... You have a C.G. Detector. I do. I have wigdar and C.G. Wigdard.

Tell us about your wigdard. I can just tell if anybody's wearing a wig. Hands down. Connery is wearing a wig except in the first two movies. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But even more, I'm gifted. I'm not impressed with your wig d'ar so far.

Well, just throw anything at me. That's the thing. You got to test me. Shatner. Oh, come on. Whigged, of course. You think that's a wig. I don't think it's a wig.

Oh, it's absolutely a wig. Absolutely. it's a good one. Do you think William Shadner has a rug? Steve A. I think so. He's known to have a rug. Yeah, I know, but I feel like it's one of those gerbil in the ass stories.

No, no, no, because look at the original Star Trek. I'm looking at it. Yeah. Yeah, it's so far great. I'm enjoying it right now, rewatching it all. Yeah. Are you? Yeah, that's great.

Oh, my God. I just got to the enemy within, which is not his best acting. But anyway. No, but I think, like, in Star Trek 4, we're swimming underneath the water with the whales. That's okay. His hair's moving freely. I have a very good friend. that has an unbelievable wigdar wig and i've been in the ocean with him and you still can't tell

really yeah it's paula f tompkins paula thonkis is unmistakably wonderfully real lush hair just thick yeah luscious hair uh steve anything about the i want to from your point of view anything bother you particularly about this movie yeah wiggy i i i'm up there with the plot the list so i was just kind of like oh that's it's kind of lazy it felt really kind of like let's just have all the agents

be on a list and it would be really damaging if somebody found yeah it feels like what they want to get at is this character story which I think is really successful but that they went

well we don't need to worry about the rest if they would have fleshed that out a bit more and made it more realistic they would have had a real winner I mean they seemingly did have a winner It made over a billion dollars, right? It made a billion. It's in the top ten highest grossing films.

It's the highest grossing film ever in England. Skyfall is? Yeah. Holy shit. It made a crazy jump. I know. You wouldn't think. But it, yeah.

It made like Avengers money. Skyfall made Avengers money. Because it was big here, but internationally, I think Bond is a lot bigger than he is here in the States, you know. Well, I just feel like we're deprived because we don't get to see it, you know, until three days after England gets it. It used to be we'd get it first. Yeah. I know. Boy, we have lost our stuff.

status of the world. Covey Broccoli. In our Bond movies, we've lost our status. Why'd you give it to Barbara? She moved everything out there. I want to say one thing about coming into the title sequence. So Bond falls into the river and you hear the, like, babbling of the river, and then it cuts to the rain in M's office, and that takes you into the title sequence.

That's some nice stuff. You. Pretty good, huh? Such a stony thing to say. Didn't you reverse it? Didn't it go the other way? What? rain and then babbling brook

let's hold hands all right so okay skyfall I think everyone I think the world sort of was so ready to like this movie I think part of it being Sam Mendes directing it yeah deacons

shot the shit out of it holy crap beautiful it's the best looking bond film hands down maybe one of the better look he didn't win the Academy Award I was so stunned by that the fucking life of pie which is all done in a goddamn computer yeah that's no good Guys, let's just boycott the Oscars.

We're not going ever, okay? Let's boycott movies. We're boycotting all movies. This is the first Bond film shot digitally, too. Is it really? Yeah. Wow. This is the first movie I've ever seen.

Who is amazing? It's the only movie I've ever seen. So my big complaint, the last two James Bond movies has been no Q. Yeah. They did it. They brought them back. And Money Penny. No Q.

I didn't really care about there being no Money Penny. No, I was not. Samantha Bond never appeared attractive to me. Samantha Bond is Moneypenny in the brazen. I think because Moneypenny's not supposed to be... She's supposed to be attractive, but just sort of an all-American English girl. An all-American English girl. Daniel Craig, I feel like, looks bored through half of this movie.

Interesting. I think he looks bored. I think Judy Dench puts on the fucking performance of a lot. She's great. She's so good in this movie. So do you think that's the actor Daniel Craig or the character Daniel? I think it's either really incredible acting? I don't think he's phoning it in.

I never get that sense. I think he's really into these. I think it's just the script and the situations and don't call for a lot of acting. He's supposed to be downtrodden and giving up, you know? Don't you think? Did he give up? Yeah, I guess he did because he bail.

He was just drinking and taking pain pills and giving scorpion. a hand ride. So the only thing he wasn't... The only hand ride. A wrist ride. Oh, Jesus. The only thing...

I mean, that's, but that's what he does normally. That's what he does in his normal everyday life. I suppose. Minus the Scorpion situation. I will say that scene where he does the word association thing with the psychotherapist. I think his acting in that is brilliant because he's so subtly, each time he gets a word, he's thinking, fuck, I got to play this game and here's how I'm going to twist it to

to take the piss out of this guy. It's so good. I think that's one of the best scenes in the movie. I'll just say it right here, guys. Your favorite scene of the movie, Steve? See you later, assholes. I love the ending, like the whole shootout at Skyfall.

You really like the Home Alone ending? Yeah, I loved it. A lot of the internet was up in arms about the fact that it was the plot of Home Alone. And Straw Dogs. It feels weird at first, but it feels very different for a Bond film but in a good way.

Yeah. That's the stuff that's like, change that good, but don't... But there's so many nods to the 50-year history of James Bond that happened in this movie. One too many. And I think that they're so...

I think when they're breaking this story, the writers, I think they got so excited about the possibility of putting him somewhere that would be like 1962, that they came up with this idea of let's put him in this house in the middle of Scotland

with no help whatsoever. But this is very Fleming. A lot of Fleming books end with him at the end of his rope, almost dying. There's a girl or someone with him that he's got to protect and he has to just kill these people.

There's no gimmick to it. Yes, but that works for me in the exotic locations that Ian Fleming will set something. You don't like Scotland? Here's my problem with Scotland. It's attached to England. His entire force is just sitting...

Can get out there. 25 minutes plane right away. Right. Just like not doing anything. Just waiting. No one's listening. For some reason, there is a time at MI6 when it's completely empty, except for Q and Robert's...

Having a couple of Heineken's. Yeah. Just hanging out, just tossing back a couple of green beers. This is also another problem with this film, is that Mallory comes in and ostensibly says, let Bond do what he wants to do. I don't care that M's in grave danger. We'll trust Bond because he gave him a little wink in the courtroom.

Okay, so Bond is a trustworthy. He's an effective guy. But at the same time, look what happens in this movie. The whole thing is Silva wants to kill M. He succeeds. Yeah. A lot of people die. The list still never gets recovered.

Everything's a failure. Well, that's ironic. That's ironic. That's ironic. I've never really thought about it like that, but Silva literally succeeds in every point of his plan. The only thing he wants to die, he doesn't get. He just didn't get to watch her die. Yeah, that was the only.

That's the only thing. And he's just mildly frustrated at that as he's going out, but he still wins. By the way, favorite, favorite death ever? It's pretty good. I think I like Christopher Walken smiling as he goes off the bridge. Yeah. That little laugh. Like, ha.

I don't know. I mean, that's very interesting. that you say that he's the most successful we can't play our game how would the bond villain have succeeded because he basically did. Unless, I mean you have to say he didn't want to just kill him he wanted to

meet her again first so that's how you justify him getting caught. Yeah. But once that happens Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. There's some other thing I wrote down that he Did they fuck? Oh yeah, did they fuck? That's a great game. It's time for did they fuck?

Money Penny and James Bond. Did they fuck? Steve? Yeah. Matt. Never thought they did until watching it this time because when they're in the casino and she's just really grilling them in a way that tells me something happened with them.

All right, guys, I think hand job. Oh, yeah. Only in the butt. Because he says it's amazing what you can do with an extra set of hands. That's true. So I'm thinking he just got a handy. Or he gave it to her because also in Casino Real, he makes a finger-banging joke, remember?

He does? Yeah, my little finger. Here, I wrote this down. Bond loses two homes. He's dead. They sell his... MI6 sells his home and puts this shit in storage. Right.

Then he loses his ancestral family manner in Scotland. M dies. Ronson, other field agents, Hussein, an innocent sex woman dies An innocent sex woman No woman is sex woman is innocent Now as a god-fearing Christian I believe no sex woman is innocent

Yeah People all sorts of cops in the courtroom die People probably in the tube There's a huge explosion in the tube Yeah There's a lot There's some major collateral damage For no real game in this movie

Which I think is an interesting take But I also feel like that wasn't what they intended to do with this movie. That just got left by the wayside because they didn't care much about the spy story of it all. So you're saying the collateral damage in this movie, much like the, you guys both see Man of Steel? Yeah. No. There's a lot of collateral damage in that, too. Just buildings and stuff like that. That's a little bit more obvious. Right. But you just, you never really think about the collateral damage in a James Bond movie for some reason. I think he's usually more precise. You're not intended to either, but when a movie puts it into such a

realistic spectrum like this. Yeah. I start thinking about it. What do you think that is with movies that are just trying now, so to be so grounded in reality? Do you think it's like after 9-11, the world is like, well, we can take this. Now we can take it. It makes sense.

I mean, I love that about Casino Royale, but I think you can go too far. And I think this one has a tougher time with it. Because they also go into, like, jumping on Komodo Dragons and a couple of one-liners. Yeah, I like the Komoto Dragon. It felt classic Bond in a good. Yeah, it felt very Roger Maury. Yeah, yeah. And that look that James gives the camera,

that Daniel Craig gives the, like, that just look of surprise. And also when he's trying to point out the Comodo Dragon to the henchman, I just thought that was such a, such a Roger Moore-esque thing to do, which I appreciated quite a bit. Yeah.

And the, so that whole scene, that whole, that whole scene at the, at the casino in Macau. I assume it's Macau. This looks beautiful. I love it. I love it. It's, yeah, it shot beautifully. I also, the conversation between sex woman and James.

I think this may be my actual favorite scenes. Oh, now you're changing it? Well, I never said that was my favorite, you guys. You said one of. Right. All right. One of them. Thanks, man.

So one of your other favorite scenes. Oh, no, you said it might be my favorite. Yeah, might be until I reveal that this one is. I like the way you think, Matt Gourley. I just, I think that Baroneys Marlowe Yeah, that's her name. I think she's underrated in this movie.

She doesn't get mentioned much. And I think she plays exactly what he's picking up very well. So much so that you recognize it, but you don't really think anything about it. Then when he says it, you go, yeah, she is really afraid right now. I thought she did a wonderful job. You think it's a Logan scene? Yeah, I'm almost positive because there are these,

you know how they have the action set pieces? Yeah. They have these Aaron Sorkin-esque scenes throughout the movie. So the first one is probably the word association, then Q in the museum, and then sex woman. Yeah. And then sex woman. There's another one. I can't remember what it is.

But when I say Sorkin, I mean, the way I think of Sorkin dialogue is like the newsroom is that's an exchange that would only happen if every character had two days to think about, I wish I would have said this. Yes. And so it's a little too glib. It's a little too polished. But this one's a little bit more subtle in this movie, and I like it. What I always say about the newsroom is it's like you get to find out what Aaron Sorkin thinks about current events without having to do cocaine with him. Which is the better choice, I think. So, yeah, no, I like the dialogue in this movie.

And you think about it too, which is something. I think I had never thought about until I read an interview with Daniel Craig. It might have been the Rolling Stone piece. But I never thought about how little James Bond ever says. Yeah. I think the dialogue works in this film also is huge credit to the actors. They underplay it. They make it believable.

I think in the lesser actors' hands, it would seem a little too much. Yeah. It works. You don't think Pierce Broson could have handled this movie? I don't. As you know, I'm not a huge period of Rosen. Timothy Dalton? Yeah, maybe.

Dalton could have handled it. Really? Yeah. Because Dalton gets, it gets very dark. License to kill gets very dark. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll get to that in a few weeks with our special guest, Robert Davy.

I'm trying to get. Fuck, dude. Well, we'll talk about my Robert Davy story at some point. At least, I'll save it for that podcast. All right. All right. So the other thing, too, okay. McCausen, I loved it.

The Singapore... Wait, we haven't even talked about the skyscraper fight. That's what I was just going to talk about. Yeah, yeah. The skyscraper fight. awesome my favorite let's talk about that wait a minute one of one of

one of one of one of Matt's favorite scenes in the movie for a movie I hated I sure I didn't hate it okay so this is James fresh off of a month or so in the islands fucking and drinking and scorpion hand jobbing failed as agency

equivalency test yeah hard style didn't know it couldn't could not do you really I don't I don't know that I don't know that I ever believe that James Bond would be that bad a shot. The only physically maybe because he's got that shoulder wound and he can't, but that's the other thing. He pulls that bullet out and, oh, there are three people in the world that use this bullet. Come on.

Purvis. Yeah, I'm thinking. It's one of those. We've got to get to the bottom of that. We really do. I wish we could know. But the, okay, so that scene on top of that skyscraper, first of all, the elevator, the elevator, him jumping on that elevator. Yeah.

The way they shot that and did that, that was so, for me, that was so tense and so perfect. Parked his ass right up to the bottom of that moving elevator. And so there, I think, is some green screening and some CG that works. Oh, you're shitting me. No, I am. It worked? Why, was it one shot from his face to him running and jumping on that? No, but just the shot of him holding on from shooting from above and just sitting around below.

It works. It's believable. It's real. Now, I like Patrice quite a bit. Yeah, I think he's good. Patrice seemingly, to me, I think of him when I watch the movie. I think of him as the bad guys, James Bond. He's Numi Rapace's ex-husband.

The girl with the dragon tattoo, the original... His name is Ula Rapaes. Ola-la-la-Rapace. Uh-l-la-la-huh. Uh-huh. Right, so... Yeah, the intricacies of that... That fucking shot, that whole scene looked...

Incredibly complicated to A, shoot, B, edit. You're talking about the silhouette fight? The silhouette fight with the giant video screens in the background, the jellyfish. We'll just call it the jellyfish fight. Yeah. It's all one shot slowly zooming in. The guy's about to fall out. He pulls him back up by his gun.

Yeah. It's amazing. It's really... Top-notch. We give A-plus to that fight. We're going to grade these fights, okay? I like the silhouette fights. A-plus to that fight.

fight. I wrote it down. We're giving it. We're giving that fight in A-plus. It's a fight ballet, you guys. Valet. Do you... Yes. Do you think that Silva, let's... Okay, so Silva, the man with the plan, let's think he thinks 55,000 steps ahead of everybody else, right? Do you think it was his plan for James Bond to enter the story at that point? No, no, I don't. I don't think he ever planned for him.

him to enter. Really? I think only when he comes to the island does he factor him in. I disagree. Well, this is over. Because he has his test results. He has his photograph pulled up on the computer. He has information about him.

Granted, it might be a long boat ride and it takes him no time to do that. I think it's as simple as when they come to the island, he goes, who do we got here? It's this James Bond character. All right? Let me bring it up. Up in my penthouse apartment on this abandoned island, and then I'll come down the elevator when I'm done. I'll deliver a very longest walking monologue ever.

That's Sorkin-esque. We talked about this. This set was built with the size in mind that he could deliver that monologue in one take and walk from elevator to Bond. Which he does. I think they should have made the set longer, though, so he could have walked faster.

He's shuffling. He's literally shuffling. Boop, boop. Pop. He's that he's got a long. I do love that he calls him Mr. Bonn. That's very classic Bonn. Duran.

Eat the coconut. It is weird, though, that a fellow agent would call him Mr. Bonn instead of... Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true. So, oh, seven. Also, by the way, we... They semi-establish the fact that agents get their names changed. By the fact that he's Silvio, and he's actually Tiago Ruggurig.

But we know now that that's not the case with Bond. Some people have this question, is Bond just a codename that a new person takes for 007? Though they kind of make it seem that way on Her Majesty's Secret Service, because he goes, I bet this never happened to the other fellow. But that was just more breaking into the fourth wall.

Yeah, that was the worst moment in the history of James Bond? Probably. But no, James Bond is a man named James Bond, who is Agent 107. Fuckers. Thanks for clarifying. James Bond. visits his wife's grave

in For Your Eyes Only His wife, of course James Bond's wife Born in 1939 Jesus Wow He was 30 when he married her

But she was 68 So there's a lot of Floating timeline Allo the Simpsons situation happening there Every time he imagines his childhood It's either the 70s The 80s, the grunge era That's when Marge is

Homer met whenever it's appropriate for the kids to be 10 years old. So we're coming into the area because Marge, if I've, this is totally unrelated, this is a Simpsons discussion right now. If you think about the fact that Marge is pregnant when they get married, right? Yeah. So they seemingly date for maybe, let's say they date for a year before that. Okay. That means that now if the Simpsons flashback, they are flashing back to 2002.

Right. Oh, yeah. Everybody sit on that. Think about that for a little while. Bart was born after 9-11. Jesus. Okay, so that fight scene is fantastic. The training montage or the...

Oh, let's talk about new MI6. Let's talk about the... The Underground. The Avengers music cue followed by the reveal of Underground MI6. What am I supposed to be feeling as an audience? audience member at that point. The grandeur with which

they reveal just a room with people working. I never thought about it that way. It was weird. The music you think is cured. I think it was a weird music cue. This will segue me into I'm not a fan of the score. I feel like it's

way too influenced by Hans Zimmer and that da-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na-da-that rhythmic type of thing. And I always think of bond things is very melodic. I just love John Barry. Do you think they wanted Chris Nolan to direct this and they just settled for Zimman?

is. I know they won him, but I'm not necessarily, but I know Sam Mendez loves Thomas Newman, and I normally do too. I think obviously Sam Mendez brought in Newman with him, but I think David Arnold is a better Bond composer. I don't know if I can agree with this. Well, actually, yeah, giving the one example we have right now of Thomas Newman. It's not bad. It just doesn't feel very bond. It only feels Bond when he goes into the orchestrated kind of melodic stuff. Like he works Skyfall in at one point. but I love the Bond movies where the composer works with the person that does the song so that the theme of the song gets worked in like view and kill and stuff and you only get it briefly in here because whenever they finish the song he was probably mostly done with the score yeah and could only get it in once but we live on man yeah we live on so we go to m.6 where James is being re-evaluated there is a random old English gentleman with a clipboard that does nothing except stand in the same spot.

I have a theory about this. Go ahead. In like three of the Roger Moore films when he goes to Q's Lab, there's a, I can't remember a character name, but they'd name check him at one point. And he's played by Jeremy Bullock, the guy that plays Boba Fett. And this guy looks like that guy, and I think they're just, I think they're going back a little. I think the character's name is Mike. Mike Brible.

Mike Brible. Yeah. I think, honestly God, I think that character's name is Mike Bribble. This is an old proper British man named Mike Bribble. And of course, he was our head of ballistics, Mike Bremel. Not even Michael, just Mike with a why. No British person has ever been named Mike. My parents conceived me on a trip to Alabama.

state your name for the court My name is Brivel First name, please Mike Oh God Do I have to Do I have to say my first name?

It's Michael Bribal No It's Mike Can I see your birth certificate? Yes you may Oh look it, yes It is absolutely It's like Brifel

So MI6 We're seeing Uh, Not quite up to what he has Ahead of him Rough shape Rough shape

He's seen better days. The bags, under the bags, under the bags of his eyes. He's getting an update from Tanner. This is this thing that I was trying to figure out last night. It's this dramatic device where you get an expositionary monologue that is continuous, but it is split up between scenes that are not continuous. Did you figure out what it's called?

I don't. I will call it the Mike Brimble. Mike Brimble speech. The Brim hell speech. I'm sure someone. If you're at home and you're at home. you're a screenwriting student or a professional screenwriter and you know better than Matt and I who actually write things we're living. Please send us. Yeah, an ongoing monologue that happens

in different places, that continues in different places at different times. Yeah, it's not a realistic. It's like a montage monologue. Yeah, but there's no break in the speech, but break in the action. Yeah, it'd be like if you and I were talking and we left here and I said, so like I was saying before with... Except you wouldn't even say so like I was saying you would just continue right on like the next sentence.

They've cut out. I feel like they've cut out. So like I was saying. Right. So I says to M, I says... Okay. M doesn't let James Bond. We're jumping in sort of

a little bit back and forth a bit. James Bond arriving in M's apartment. John Barry's old apartment. John Barry's old exterior. That's where it was shot. Yeah. Yeah.

Not the interior. Okay. Sorry. Why won't she let him stay? Seriously. She's needlessly cold. I know it's a cruel to be kind sort of thing. That's her thing.

But come on, lady. Just let him crash on the house. You're the one that got him killed. You kind of owe him that. You sold his home. You sold his home. You, for some reason, didn't sell the five million pound Aston Martin. Yeah.

Well, they put his stuff into storage, as they said. Yeah. Because I think they own the home or something. I don't know. but he clearly has mommy issues which I like like he really really does want her approval you can tell that's kind of nice is this whole

is this whole story just about mommy issues is this is sort of like him you like is he is James finally coping with the death of his mother probably I mean they've been it's been said that this movie doesn't really have a bond girl that M is kind of the bond girl

this movie oh really what happened a sex lady H.G.'s dry heaving. Even though we all said last night we'd fuck Judy Dench. Yeah. At once. But just to say that we would have done it. I mean, but, you know.

No, you signed up. I got thirds. So I really wanted to sting. I call thirsty thirds. So yeah, the larger, I guess, you know what, we look at it like that. If we look at it like James is sort of the whole, the whole story is him dealing with the loss

finally of his parents. After he dies, he can finally deal with his parents' death. Is that what we're saying? Are we giving the screeners more credit than they deserve? Well, I think they're going to some lofty stuff, so I think it's fair. Okay. Let's break this down. James goes

to the island where he encounters Silva for the first time. We see the very long walk and talk and we meet what I think is one of the more likable and intriguing bond villains we've seen in a long time with maybe the worst plan. But also is the most successful of any bond villain never. Short of Blofeld killing his wife. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I think he's a great, this is a great performance. I think he's really, he's really good, Javier Bardeen, at everything I've ever seen him do. And this is no exception. And so we meet sex lady who's tied up outside. Yeah. Sethering. Now, having, here's the thing.

This guy, now Silva has seen James Bond's accuracy test scores and then devises this plan, right? Oh, yeah. Because there's no way he's going to do that with, you know, best marksman on the force, James Bond versus Silva in that. Or maybe he was just always going to shoot her. I think so. I think he's going to punish her. he's now betrayed him. Uh,

but also, this has been brought up before, but why does Bonn wait till she's dead to kill all these guys? Yeah. You could have done the same exact thing before she has no reason to wait. I disagree.

I disagree. State your name and state your case. Before he fires the round, the gun is at his head. The guy has the gun pointed at his head. Once he fires the round, that is only done to, to make sure that he shoots that,

shoots towards that way and not shoot anybody else. That's why that's done. As soon as he shoots, Silva Den shoots, the gentleman by that time has dropped his gun a bit. I'm nothing if not a scientist, and you've proven to me empirically that that's why.

Yeah, we solved it here. Way to go, everybody. We did it. Nice work. And then we see the biggest flutter of James Bond theme music. which is when the helicopters arrived. And also he's got that little radio that in this day and age technology could just be...

I don't remember. Is this the part where Matt's DVD players skipped over a bunch of shit? Okay, that just doesn't seem like we need to talk about that. I think we have to. It just seems like when people are listening, we don't need to know. I think we missed about 10 minutes. I want to say that you're... I see we missed 10 minutes of the movie. Your Blu-ray player, I feel like deliberately...

skipped over some of the more important parts of this movie. I don't know. I don't even remember this happened. It definitely skipped in places where your interest is peaked and you're kind of like leaning forward. Yes. Yes. What's going to happen? So the way that Steve and I were seeing this at Matt's house, it goes, James Bond takes the gun, shoot somebody rolls, and then he's standing at the cell with Silva.

Yeah, that's back in England. In my defense, though, it's not even a Blu-ray player. It's a green-ray player. You might want to look into a Blu-ray. You'll save a lot of half. I'm kind of glad it skipped that part because another bad use of C.G. With all those helicopters. Oh, again.

There are two shots. There are two shots. One of them looks great. This is like your wig-dard. Well, and a lot of people think that Javier Bardem has a wig in this. He doesn't. Again. Died hair.

Dygdard. Yeah, it doesn't look like a wig to me. It does look like... Well, you might have some wig, I will work with you. Oh, thanks. You might have the potential. You're like an orphan.

You make the best agents. Double O.N. What a run. We had a good time. Sometimes we should record that. Yes. His plot works and he gets taken back to MI6. Where the movie falls apart.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, plot-wise, anyway. So Silva gets taken only to be taken. This is all part of his master plan. I was bummed to see sex lady killed that scene. That scene in the casino made me think I want... I knew she's the femme fatale. I had a feeling she wasn't going to make it.

They usually don't. But I would have liked at least another scene. Also, you shouldn't really have like a containment or a prison cell that's controlled by computer. No. Yeah. Or at least both. Yeah. An alternate backup lock in case shit happened.

They were putting their time into glass fogging technology. The one thing that bothers me, and it's in almost... Did you detect that CG? But that looks good. That's fine. All right. Because it's not... It's that uncanny valley thing, you know, that faces are hard to do and expressions and stuff.

That's what CG's made for. It's the elevator scene. It's the glass fogging. It's perfect for a bond film. But computer reading. out still to this day in movies bother this. Oh, God. It's so designed and...

So not since the net. Not since Jurassic Park's Linux situation. I think that's the way to go because it's still what everybody's using, you know, and you know you walk into MI6. They're going to have some of the least aesthetically pleasing.

Oh, you know they're using Windows 98. Yeah. Or Windows NT. Yeah, it's just... And plus all the little chirping chirping and everything. I just... I'm ready for that to be done. Yeah. So did you have a problem with the stuff in

Quantum of Solis with the table? Like the Microsoft service? I honestly feel like if you're going to do it, go that far and make it like an aesthetic Apple smart thing. That to me made sense because also tactically, tactically you could see. They had a table like at MI6

that was like an iPhone and they could take things and drag it. But it was all like screen touch things. And it felt like it was designed by some Do you have a problem with the Tony Stark Ironman, the shit just in front of his face that he can wave away with his hand? Well, I don't because of the, well, I just, as far as the Tony Stark thing is, there's a farcical element to the Avengers stuff that they're saying, I think what they're saying is technology is a little bit further ahead in this universe. And so this maybe is plausible. Yeah.

but I mean it did get the fucking the guy Pierce rolling out his balls situation yeah you know guy Pierce rolled out his balls and then he's inside the universe and then he's inside the brain oh that's right yeah yeah universe is guy's universe balls

which we see that's the same kind of thing we see and the world's not enough remember that one thing I like about the world is not enough I know it's a favorite of yours is uh no it's not I think it's a terrible movie but I'm saying one thing I like about it is the when they fall back, when MI6 falls back to the Scotland location.

Yeah, I do too, because there's a big giant plaid rug. And there's also a giant painting of Bernard Lee. That's right, yeah. I did like that quite a bit. But, anyway, back to this movie. Silva leaves his laptop

with them, so dumb kid plugs it into their network. Yeah. And I like Ben Wishaw. I think he's a great cue. I like where they're going with it. But Bond starts with adverse relationships with M, Money Penny, and Q in this movie, and by the end, they are fast friends.

The only one that he seems to get along with the entire time is Tanner. Tanner, yeah, because Tanner just wants to be liked. Tanner's that needy, you think? I think even just the actors, like, I don't know how long they're going to keep me in these things. There's no president for me.

I was in quantum of Solis, and somehow I got made in the second one. But it's because Sam Mendes knows him from theater. In fact, he played Hamlet. I don't know if it was at the RSC, so did Ben Wischon, so did Ray Fines. There are three hamlets, three classic hamlets in this movie. But Tanner is in all of the Brazen movies, too.

Or the characters, he's a black man. Nope, that's Robinson. He's a Robinson black man. Robinson is a black man. Tanner is a white guy with white hair. Whig? No. Well, you would have to tell me.

You would have to tell me that. You would have to tell me that. Yeah, Matt. A little spatula you got going on, right? It's a weed tool. Don't worry about it. You'll learn. Yeah, so this is where the movie falls apart

where everything starts to sort of go his way. You also see Silva's grotesque deformity, which I think also is a CG problem. They should have, just for style's sake, done a Hitchcock thing where you only get a suggestion of it would have been a lot more frightening. Oh, yeah. I'm on board.

Yeah. Yeah, that is. I would have enjoyed that too. A little eye-rolling moment when he takes out his team. But it's very CG. But yeah, instead of that, if you maybe had done a cut away to the apparatus that he keeps in his mouth. That and then like the back silhouette of his jaw just kind of falls down. And then Tanner puking.

It just starts jerking off. Yes, mom. Saying yes-mom the entire time. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. Is this the first? time they're calling her mom no he in casino rail and uh quantum of solace but in

in the brazen ones does he call her mom oh i don't think so right no i don't think so i don't get it yeah is that the appropriate thing like you can't say sir to a lady you have to say i think mum is the correct is it i think like instead of ma'am yeah oh i always thought it was like an endearing like just a m i say no no i think it's an official oh like the Queen Mum, huh? Yeah. Who says that, Bill? Oh, I guess they do say the Queen Mum.

Mike Brimel does. Brivel. Mike Brivel. Mike Brivel, not Mike Brimel. I gotta write that down. Yeah, so then we sort of see that in the room full of computer geniuses, the only one to read the word Granbrough is James Bond. It's the only sleuthing bond does.

it's yeah and he goes through the tubes with Q in his ear he's got someone else in his ear yeah and Q is giving him a hard time the entire time saying like oh you wouldn't know what it's like to ride on the subway he's so condescending and condescending

also takes quite a long time to tell him to get on that train yeah yeah way too long don't get on wait get up wait just don't get on the train yeah uh and then it's cameo city from all of San Mendes's theater buddies I guess Yeah

These won't get home in a hurry-ha? So Q knows that Silva is dressed as a cop And doesn't alert the hundreds of cops That are now alerted in the tube station Right To look for a cop that they don't recognize Correct Who's this guy who's allowed to grow his hair a little longer than we are

Yeah And it's bleached blonde Yellowish blonde So this apparently leads us to believe that Silva would know that the hearing was scheduled. Yes. Silva would know where the hearing was scheduled.

Silva would know that it would take roughly this amount of time for Ben to plug on in my computer. It would take this amount of time for them to start going through it, then the doors would open, then this train would be passing by, this specific time for me to...

Not the bad, James. Not the bad. Not the bad. For a physical wreck. This is where they're going for a dark night type of thing, and they don't do it as well. Correct.

Correct. Nolan himself has said that his movies are very Bond-inspired, the big layer at the end of Inception, the plane getting grabbed in the beginning of Dark Night Rises. Those are all Bond things. But also people really, whether they accuse or they just say that Skyfall is very heavily influenced by Dark Night, I think they kind of deserve it because, you know, Nolan really loves and takes from Bulls. They're all influenced by each other. Full circle, yeah. Yeah. but that is the sort of moment where I think the

suspension of disbelief leaves with the moment he does the whole little I'm going to get you back by saying that thing about radios that you said to me back when Matt's DVD players skipped it never did it never did so that happens and then his plan is essentially

okay here's the deal you're your Silva your plan is to go to a courthouse shooting why do you take a Glock with you why not take any other high capacity

rifle yeah a double drum magazine pistol would be great maybe a you know an M an A15 or something like that why not take something larger in good point because you're going in at your as a cop great but you don't take your you don't get a gun until you get in the car because police

in England don't carry guns unless there's like this tactical forces there That may have guns. I do like this shootout in the courtroom, though. Yeah, that was cool. Yeah. I do like that, too. But right now we're just talking about the feasibility.

Sorry, let me know when I can talk about this. What I'm saying is bring in high capacity, right? Yeah, I think you're right. Get the job done. Or if you're just out to kill M, bring some bombs, you know? Sure. He doesn't care about. Yeah, what is his, do you think his plan is always to get M to kill both of them?

No. Because that's the only reason I have for him. He basically says that at the end, like, oh, of course, it had to be this way. Yeah. But that scene, this is where I think Sam Mendes is not only a good director, but I think he's a pretty good action director with that scene in the skyscraper, the silhouette, the jellyfish scene. This one, he manages to build character stuff into an action scene.

So Mallory takes the bullet. Bond winks at him. That's where they first share that they're going to be good working together. He gets Moneypenny in on it, and they all kind of collapse. and work as a team. See, I like that kind of thing. Yeah. But it's a well-done scene. You liked James Bond working with his friends? I do.

Working with other people that are on his side that have guns. But I like him to be in control and calling the shots, not listening to a... Gorley's a big fan of team work. Sure. I sure am. Like right now, guys? Not one of us is doing a podcast on our own. That's right. Yeah. None of us are Bill Burr. We can't just... Bonds. Yeah. There are three of us with a fourth mic, like Elijah at the table, but this is for... is how I don't know why I turned it up.

I just did. I wanted the fan to sound a little louder than... Room tone. Everyone quiet for some room tone? So then Bond takes M to Scotland, back in time. Bond, let's talk about... Let's talk about... M being led by Tanner into the Jaguar.

Yeah. And Tanner not looking in the driver's seat. And Tanner watching his sole job disappear in front of him. His reaction nowhere near it should have been. It should have been like, fuck, no! It's the feeling like he's thinking of demerits

or disciplinary action. He should have shot himself, actually. Like, no, here's the ADR dialogue for Tanner when that scene, when that happens. Oh, cock. That's it. That's his... That's his...

That's his reaction. Yeah, so M's 100% on board to buckle up in the back seat and have a good time with Jimbo. Good use of the bond theme here. Right. I think. His problem with the Jaguar is it can be tracked. Then he wants them to track to Scotland.

So his problem is that the car can be tracked so we have to ditch it and get the Aston Martin. Then he requests that Q tracks him up to Scotland. Explain that to me. I cannot. I can explain it. We want the Aston Martin in here. We want an excuse. This is where it starts having too much, wanting it two ways.

Yeah. Like, we want to get the classic Aston Martin in. And then they start pulling things like the ejector seat. I was all for the classic Aston Martin because he got it in Casino Real. But in that time, he had an ejector seat installed. Here's, here's, here's where I came from with that. Yeah. Looking at the, looking at the grand history.

history of the James Bond movies. I think that in Casino Royale, we're seeing the beginning of James Bond, and that's just an Asthmarni happens to win, playing cards. Great. And then I think we look at something like Goldfinger, which is in the midst of James Bond's career, and he's given this amazing car by Q.

Then we always, whenever we see James Bond driving his personal car, it's the DB5. From there on out, it's the DB5. So I like to think that Q gave him that some years ago, and he's kept it ever since as his personal car. Like he ended up buying it from MI6 and was like, guys, I'll just... What's the casino Rural out one then? That's just to ask him, Martin, the other guy happens to have, that he wins.

And so he has two? I think he had two. He probably left it in England. Oh, Matt. I mean, in the Bermuda. I think a more likely story is, can you soup this up for me, Q? I got this babysit. You think that's a more likely story?

Oh, yeah. Can you soup this up with these ancient machines? Can you pimp my ride exhibit? Exhibit should be cute. What a great deleted scene. What is up, dog? X-O-Z exhibit. Anyway, they go to Scotland, they do a nice little tender scene in this foggy, Scottish

Islands. It's beautiful. Yeah, beautifully shot. I was, I was genuinely thrilled when he opened that door in the Aston Martin thing. Yeah, that was nice. Yeah, that was cool. That little speech or a little scene they have in the Highlands where she, you know, he basically goes, you know the story to that. It feels a little like sloppy exposition of we need to remind the audience that you are an orphan.

Yeah. So why would he be, why would they be saying that to each other? Why would she say? I do have a pet peeve of bad, bad exposition. Like, what's the karate kid movie with Hillary Swank? It's like the fourth one or something. And it begins with her grandma going, well, you know your parents died. in a car accident so the audience knows.

You would never say that to your grandkid who already knows that her parents are dead. I've already been a bad grandfather. Oh. Really? You know your parents died in that car accident. Is that plausible? I guess.

How old are you? 30. Wow. You just had his birthday party. That's true. But he didn't ask how old it was. Yeah, there weren't. Yeah.

We didn't have like a 30 streamer around it. You know. Yeah. Jesus, Steve, you gotta pass. Gourley, what the fuck, come on. He's our guest.

I'm sorry. Come on. Speaking of. Yeah, so the, the, the acknowledgement, and this is something I genuinely loved. I genuinely loved the acknowledgement that yes,

this is the car with the ejector seat and the machine guns. I was excited by that, and I enjoyed it. I love it. Disjoining. All right, well, okay. Why did that feel this joint it to you?

I don't understand. Because it just felt like, we're jarring us out of this world. They're going so far to create a realistic world, and then they're putting it, like, shoving you back into... Timeline shifting? Yeah, it just was disjointed. Now, what do you think about my hypothesis

that James Bond is actually just a time lord? I think you got a screw loose, you guy. James Bond is a time lord. Here's what I'm saying. He's a time lord that instead of floating around the galaxy, helping people out, he stays in England. And every time he gets killed, he regenerates. And he regenerates into sometimes people that are older than him,

sometimes people that are younger than him, sometimes blondes. Well, we never see him get killed. Well, that all happens off camera. I see. Okay, then I'm in. You're welcome. Thank you. He shows up to his ancestral home.

Skyfall. This is where we get the name. I did not like this title when it was announced. I saw the movie. And now I really like the title. Ironic that this is the second James Bond movie to be named after a home. Golden Eye. Yeah.

Yeah. Also, A-frame Ranch, which is a lesser-known Bond film. A-frame Ranch. Oh, fuck. I would pay money for a James Bond Western. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I would love it if he had to go undercover with some rodeo.

rodeo So he gets to... Where's the list of rodeo riders, Bond? It was on that hard drive. Get it. It's in Montana. Mike Briscoll's come to town or whatever the shit his name is. So, uh...

Didn't you write it down? Mike Bribble. Mike Bribble. Uh, so yeah, we meet James Bond's caretaker, a surrogate father, and, uh, lover of fine Emma's. Kincaid. This just feels like, why have we never heard of this character

before? It feels a little forced. I love Albert Finney. But why do we need another sidekick? Why don't we need another sidekick? There's a rumor that they thought maybe Sean Connery might play this part. Have you ever heard this room? I've heard that rumor. And I'm glad that wasn't

the case. I'm fairly glad that wasn't the case, too. That would completely remove any human being out of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I just don't... It should have been Leonard Nimoy. Yeah, like, just they happen to have a view screen, and they're like, let's pull up, let's pull up Spot Prime. Let's pull him up so we can ask him about the plot of this movie we're in.

Kingade influences this plot in no way. He shows him to the gun camera. Correct. He kills a couple of people, but that's, and there's no arc for Kingade. We don't even know what happens to him at the end. There is no arc for Concade. There is no change in King's. Nothing.

Nothing happens to him. He just comes out of a doorway, almost gets shot. The end of the credit should just be him sweeping up in that. destroyed fucking house. And then a spotlight goes to sweep up the spotlight.

And is he presumed he's the gamekeeper of Skyfall. Right. So Skyfall, I think, is obviously if it's not an ancestral home, it's a vacation home. I think it is an ancestral home

because he was born there and raised there until he went, until his parents died and then he was sent to Eaton. Yeah, he was sent to boarding school. Where he did a lot of eaten pussy. You know what I mean? Eton. Sex lady.

Sex lady. Sex lady. No, no, for this podcast, we do not refer to the secondary bongos of Spend Patels. They will be sex. Sex lady. Innocent sex ladies. Solange is the casino royal sex lady. Right. So Solange, yes, she is the innocent, there's always an innocent sex lady.

Yeah. Yeah. That's too bad. Unless it's Terry Hatcher. She had meaning. Harry Tatcher. Yeah, so here's the end of, the end of this movie is essentially Home Alone. Yeah.

Which, uh, I didn't, the, I went to a screening of this movie a week before it came out and, uh, my girlfriend, Kiki turned to me and said, this is just like home alone. We talked about this. Matt and I first met on the attack of the show We're doing a bond panel Yeah And we talked about the fact that it was like home alone A lot of people have been making that connection Yeah and uh

The I just I just I don't have a problem with it I don't either I don't have a problem with him Getting the house ready I don't I just don't understand what It just doesn't make

Tactically it makes no sense For them to be in a valley You know what I mean They're still putting themselves at a disadvantage Just because they're making him come It'd be one thing if they knew They were going to a place where they could lay an excellent trap.

But they're going, like, let's go to a place where we have very little resources. Yeah. You got time... A lake on one side. You remember that old saying from retail? You got time to lean. You got time to clean. If you got time to talk about your dead parents in a foggy abyss, you got time to stop at a fucking gun shop.

And take a piss. It had to rhyme. There you go. Yeah, yeah. No kidding. Problem number one thousand. There's no reason MI6 can't come up. with him. No, there's literally no

reason. There's absolutely no reason that you can't be like, Tanner, can you send like, I don't know, 20 guys? Like, 001 through 23. Could you just give me the three guys that are outside guarding the gate right now with the high-powered rifles?

Or, hey, can you just call all the guys on that list? Oh, yeah, remember this list. That's the other thing, too. M should have pulled everybody out. Yeah. Hey, you guys might want to start hiding. Yeah, hey guys. I know who you are.

Just come back to England, thanks. Like, that's it. So Silva also, somewhere nearby in the Scottish Highlands has access to a military gunship helicopter. Because what's the range on a helicopter? It can't be that far. I don't know. They can go pretty far

in. Yeah, maybe. Now, I think a military helicopter can probably do like a 900,000 miles, something like that. Because they big, big tanks. All right, he got it in Iceland. Yeah. He got it in Iceland. Do you think, what do you think happened there?

Do you think he just bought it? He thought he stole it? What do you think he did? Well, see, who brought up the day wage of these mercenaries? Me? I'm just very curious. Like, I really, really, now let's talk about this. First wave comes in.

He's got waves of henchmen. His first wave of henchmen comes in, and it's five guys with, presumably, they also have flares attached to their pants. Like, 1989, Tim Burton, Batman, Joker Henschman. Yes, absolutely. Skull cap. Gone looking weird dudes. My question is the following.

Guys, we work in the entertainment business. We can talk about it. We can talk about a day rate. We can talk about what we expect. Say we go shoot something. We expect probably, you know, maybe $1,000, $2,000 if we're going to go do something, you know. Right. And that gets us out of bed, right?

And we're not in a hard way. Yeah. Yeah. Right. We're not. We're not anywhere close to Harmer's Way. And that's the sort of thing where that's the kind of money that we're like, oh, fuck, I guess I guess I'll drive to Santa Monica at 7. Yeah. In full disclosure, I do do some snuff films. That's a different story. And what's funny to us, I think what's funny, and I'll lay this out too, if someone says to us, come do this thing pretty far away. Scotland. You know, for an entire day.

Come to Scotland. And we're only paying $500. What is our reaction to this? Fuck you. My reaction is there's guns and someone's going to be shooting at me. No, I'm not doing this for $500. I'll work for quantum for $6 million a year. What I'm saying is we won't do a raisin brand commercial for $500 in Santa Monica. Right.

These people are risking their lives for what amount of money? What is the day rate for a henchman? What is the amount of? $10,000. You think it's $10,000? I think it's $20,000 because also money isn't really an issue for Silva. He can print more money. Click, Mr. Bomb.

I could take from the market. Boop. Or do you think he's like, name your price. So some of them are like, $10,000 and others are like $50,000. It's not favored nations. And then while they're driving over in the helicopter, the guy's like, man, I'm getting $50,000 for this. What?

What? Dude. Yeah, I'm getting $2,500. Is that what you asked for? Yeah, he said, name of price. Yeah, I asked for $50,000. And he just gave it to you? Yes.

We've got $600 and a gift card to Outback Steakhouse. Whoa, whoa, how much is the gift card? $6 million. So I'm meeting there for life. I'm feeling pretty stupid now, aren't you? I really feel like I would turn that down. If someone offered me a $6 million gift card to the Outback Steakhouse, I'd be like, can't we just give it to like a homeless person?

Can we get the cash equivalent, sir? Yes, the cash equivalent of a $6 million out to back gift card is $40. I'll take it. It's diabetes. I can give it to me, but I'm heading right to Alper. Because they're having a great deal on. I just can't. I just can't help myself.

Can I put the tip on the car too? They're having the great barrier eats right now. All the crabs I could just possibly shake a crab leg at. What I do is I order one wallaby burger, and then 10, I take them home and freeze them, have some folks over, and we do a jump around Dick Sling. And I just even, I haven't even, I just haven't even gotten to the blue, an onion. I'd say we don't even have to mention that. Forget it. It's just like their warm brown bread with that

butter. Oh, it's so good. Okay. Outback Steakhouse. Boomerang come back. I'm loving it. So will you? I was once up to be the spokesperson in Outback Steakhouse campaign. Guess who got it? It was down to me and Germain from. Yeah, yeah. By the way, that is his read in that commercial

is my favorite commercial read. It had to be him. The read he does when he's talking about his mother's steak, and he just says, sorry, ma'am, not good enough. There's a posy takes between talking about the steak and then his reaction to it. Goreley, did you have to do it as an Aussie?

Oh, did you? Yeah, yeah. I remember being in the waiting room with him. Oh, yeah. This was pre-flight of backwards. Yeah, yeah. And I just like, this guy looks amazing. And there's no way.

That's what I said. When I saw that commercial, I was like, That guy's too funny to just be in this commercial. Yeah, yeah. Which is what I would have said about you, too. You're a great. You're a great. Do you want to hear my Australian accent?

Not at all. Hello! Absolutely. I don't know why they didn't go to me. Yeah, big. Stiac, yes. What region of Australia is that from? Old South Wales.

Okay. Yeah. Okay. Hello. I'm a row of Australia. Can we have a conversation between. Australian Matt Gourley and

Albert Finney What do you want to go To get for dinner? I want to get Wallaby beggars In kangaroo skiers You want to get that again? I don't want that

Hello Andrean John Mike Bribble here Hey Mike Hello Australian Tell us about the Apex Stagos There, boomerangs, did you're red-proof fences.

You're just naming things from the outbacked steakhouse in Australia. Hugh Jekman. Kangaroos have three vaginas. That's true. They also have one hole for feces, urine, sex and berth. Urine? Yes, hello. Why am I sounding like the dude from fucking silence of the land?

There's a great big old far girl, wasn't you? Like Andre the Giant, too. You're sounding like a red letter media review with a phantom mess. guy. Well, we have not We had a really, we had a really good time on this podcast. Yeah, but so this, this ends, okay, so Henschman again, day rate, you guys are saying,

favorite nations. Yeah, favorite nation's 20 grand. Naming your price up to $20,000. Yes. Yes, covered it. Done and done. And the beauty of Silva, working for Silva is he just, he asks you for your name, and then he puts the money in your bank account. Or he could also just say, I'll give you

$100,000 upon completion. Probably. Knowing these guys are going to get fucking killed. He doesn't have to pay a single one of them. Well, he doesn't get paid himself. Do you think he uses PayPal? Yes.

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. He was probably college roommates with Elon Musk. All right. Let's get, we're almost there. We're in the home stretch? Okay. Home stretch.

Four hours later. So they attack the house There's some cool action thing They attack the house James Bond uses the machine guns on the Aston Martin I like that I like that for enough I didn't explain

Well I didn't love it It was kind of risky Getting in that car Knowing that those machine guns don't aim You're just gonna shoot forward And that's you got one You got about two seconds of shooting Assuming they're coming in the front door

It's all bulletproof though theoretically I think that's explained to James and the Oh yeah In Golden Island, he's in a bulletproof car. All right. So I don't think there's really any real risk there. He comes out with his shotgun and...

But still, even if it's bulletproofs, it shoots forward. They step out of the way. And now he's stuck in a bulletproof car. Which he could just... I wish he would turn out of his seat. See you later. Yeah. He comes back into the house and does a pretty cool soccer kick of a machine gun up into his hands.

I love little things like that. Yes, he does... Craig is a way of making that believable. Yeah. Yeah. He doesn't even bend over because he's not bending over. And then out comes Albert Finney for no reason does this mirror trick because he could have just shot them. Yeah.

But instead stands there and waits for them to see him in the mirror. Well, they set up the mirror too. It's like he wants them to die with a twist. Like he wants them to feel like they've been... I don't know. I want to kill all the twist. Gassoo. Emma,

watch me kill them from when we are. Mirror, mirror on the floor. There were a year. What did he say? It was a port as a priest's hole. Oh, yeah. The day is the paradise.

He went down there. When he came out, he was the man. But it also leads us to this lake battle where Deacons is at his best. I wish it laid us to Lake Bell. Oh, Lake Battle.

Deacon's at his best, you're saying. It looks amazing. You're saying... Are you going to go see that new movie by Lake Battle that opens tomorrow? The new Lake Battle movie? Yeah, scraped neck. Ha, ha. All right. All right, so then they go on to the lake.

With the lighting. Yeah, it is beautiful. And I like Frozen Lake. I like that. that's some good tension, that's nice. Yeah, I really think the frozen leg is just a metaphor for his personality, and it's kind of thawing towards the end of this movie. And Kincaid and M just throwing a flashlight around.

Heath just might as well have a fair. Yeah, they need no light because the fucking house is lighting up all of Scotland. Yeah, houses on fire. Kincaid has walked that path 85 billion times. With a B. Since James left to go to Eaton, all he's been doing is walking back and forth. Also, why wouldn't you just made that fucking tunnel

go all the way to that chapel? Or better yet, stay in the fucking tunnel. You don't have to go to the chapel. If you are looking for someone and you look around to Heath and there's only one other building, that's where you're headed. Yeah. Just stay in the tunnel. That's a good point.

Oh, fuck! It's a good point. But that tunnel should have gone all the way to the chapel. Also, how? Also, how does Albert Finney get around? There's no other vehicle at Skyfall. Thank God you showed up. I was starving to death.

All I've got is a snowmobile and it's dry as a cruise. They left him a snowmobile. In Scotland. We got two inches of snowy here. I tried to McGowan. driver it onto a skateboard and it didn't work. I've got to a pair of water skis. I've got a ski to do.

No fucking boat. A ski driver I can only go in the lake. All right. Yeah. Oh, there's a fight underwater and Bond. Fight underwater. Bond grabs a flare. Bond does some flary shit.

Gets up. Goes out. goes to the chapel where Albert Finney has almost been shot at goes to the other room and comes back and says

there's no what was he looking for a fire blanket another light another tunnel or I thought there was another tunnel

out here I left my snowmobile at the house he's looking for the keys to a snowmobile normally there's a PlayStation up here It might skip a few on this Blu-ray.

You're into Ouija boards, and all? Let's ask the devil if we're going to get out of this. I've got a draw full of edible undies, Emma, if you want to... All right. So, Silva comes to town, and he gets this idea that he's going to kill the both of them, which is kind of creepy. And he wants her to do it. And fantastic. Yeah, it's a nice little time.

The same bullet. Of course You had to be this way Free both of us with the same ball As you pointed out Judy Dench is doing This really subtle But great convincing thing

Where she's a strong woman But she's very afraid She is so terrified Yeah totally It's so good Which is just It's the I am hard pressed to think back to a movie

Any movie Where I've seen someone Convey that amount of fear Yeah because she's doing nothing but just staring at him. What would you do? All you could do is look at the fear because you don't know what it's going to do.

Yeah. Oh, she's good. She's a dame. I'll tell you. I got her poster up on my ceiling above my bed. What does Amanda think about that? She gave, she's the one at the picture. That's her poster.

And you're like, can we put the Revenge of the Jedi one back off? I don't want that there. I don't want it up there. I got one of Gritch. She watches me when I sleep. and then it leads to the death of a beloved character. So I don't like knife throws in a movie because you can't really throw a knife. The chances of throwing a knife and someone's back and killing them.

It's just like... Maybe he didn't throw it. Maybe he stabbed him in the back and then backed up 10 feet. He ran back. I wish he would have just come in and just hand-knife. Yeah, totally. I think it would have been better because I've tried many times to throw a knife at someone's back. I disagree with you on this.

Really? Because I think he comes in immediately assesses the situation and thinks, but the time would take for him to walk over and stab him in the back, and the time would take to throw it. And I think his goal in that situation is not to kill Silva, per se, but to get that gun out of his hands. Fair enough. But then it leads us to my least favorite thing in the entire film.

Silva dies. Judy Dench is given this amazing performance. And she says, what bloody took you so long? and he said, I got into deep water. It's not the good time for a one-liner. I disagree. Okay, I will fight you on this. I disagree.

I think he was trying to take her mind off the fact that she's dying. I think he was trying to like... He doesn't know she's dying. But here's what I think happened. I think he read the levity of her comment. I think that he did that. I think that this is now James Bond just sort of becoming James Bond. I agree.

He read the levity of her comment, and I think he replied in a way that he has been known to reply to her before. in a way that makes him go, it's okay now. I'm even more talking about filmmaking here. That it's not the time for levity. Okay, that's weird, because we're talking about James Bond. Okay. It's not the time for levity, especially because Daniel Craig seems so uncomfortable

delivering this line. He's not great at the one-liners that are for pure comedy. He's not great at the one-line. But I think the tonal, I think that for that character, he comes in, kill Silva. He's like, fuck yeah, job well done. We're done. We're good.

Let's hang out. M says, what took you so long? He says, blah, blah, blah, blah. Because he turns on a dime. When he sees that she's actually hurt, he turns on a dime. His face drops. He turns on a dime. He runs over to her.

It's also just not a good one-liner. What is, what? May made good James Bond one-liner. Well, it's either going to be super corny or super clever, and it just isn't either, you know? That's true. Purvis? We're agreed. We'll meet in the middle?

Oh, it's Wade. It's got Wade written all over it. I don't know. But yeah, I'll watch it differently next time. Should have been a thin ice reference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I was on thin ice. They probably did a bunch of them. Where is the like Will Ferrell Outtake Reel? Right. It's all just... Jokorama. For some reason, John C. Riley's there. Okay.

It's a tender scene, and as I said before, you're lucky if you have to do a crying scene when you're soaking. cry. No. Me either. I didn't feel it. Did you?

Steve? No. I have to admit when I saw this the first time, I was in my head going like, I'm watching a James Bond movie I've been waiting forever for. I couldn't let go. I kind of was in that boat too, and I felt no, for some reason I felt no emotion towards M being killed off. This is why the next one, I am not going to watch anything online or I read too much. I knew. I didn't know she died.

I knew M died, and I knew that she didn't die at that courthouse. so there was no real tension for me there. Yeah. And I knew there was the rumor of Moneypenny, and I knew Ray Fines was going to be M. I just knew too much. Oh, I didn't know any of that. I didn't even seek it out.

I didn't know any of that. I was just figuring it out along the way. Based on casting and stuff like that. Based on the information I had read that wasn't spoilers, technically. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not doing it again. I'll never make that mistake, America. Well, thank you.

Thank you, Matt. Okay. We've already talked about the end of this movie. But briefly, again, we can say that it then brings it full circle, and it sets us up for when we now should expect to be James Bond back to true James Bond formula. Yeah. It's almost like at the end of Cassina Royale where he shoots the guy in the fucking leg, walks up to him over the gun. Exactly.

Bond, James Bond. And then what are we given after that? We're given Quantra of Salas. Is this the only ever trilogy reboot? It took a full trilogy? It did. It really genuinely took three fucking movies to reboot this. And here's the thing, too.

If it's the world that we're supposed to believe is that it's James Bond and Daniel Craig has been James Bond for Casino Royal Chondrosallis and Skyfall, and we're ignoring the 22 missions in between that. If that's what we're doing, this guy, all the jokes about him being old and tired and haggard and stuff don't work. No. Because he's not. And he's got two more to go. He's a 40-year-old guy that's just really good at fucking being a spy. And he's in great shape. Yeah.

Well, maybe not in this movie, but like the character. physically he's still in good shit he's beat the shit out of the guy in the jellyfish fight he's a blunt instrument instrument I'm a

I'm a pilot I vow to have Is that Mike Breville Is that Mike Breville? Mike's calling I vow to have an office one day with a double quilted door God damn it

That's really our All our dreams right? Yes Steve We need a double leather quilted door Yeah So Skyfall Skyfall

Skyfall Let it It's Skyfall. Let the sky fall. All right. Now here's a fun, interesting thing we can do. Of the last two movies we saw, Dr. Noe in Skyfall, what do you think is the better movie? Well, taking out of the equation that Dr. No started it all, established the formula.

Scott Sean Connery, I still enjoy Skyfall more. All right. I disagree. What do you, is the question, what's a better movie or what do I like? more. Well, there's two... That's an age-old question. Again, I think you could argue both points.

I think you can argue that Dr. Noe is a better movie, and I think you could argue that Skyfall's a better movie. I also think you could argue that's a more enjoyable, and I also think you could argue Skyfall's more enjoyable. I enjoy Skyfall more, but I think, on the whole, Dr. No is a better constructed movie, but I think Skyfall's better executed. From here on out, in your lifetime,

which will you watch more? Steve? Skyfall. Dr. No. Yeah. I mean, I know. I'm not proud of that. Who picked Dr. No?

Was it Paul or was it you guys? Well, we just were trying to go in sort of an order. So we just picked the first one. Yeah, and we wanted him to be our first guess. Oh, okay. But it is a weird choice for them to start with Dr. No other than it was probably one of the cheaper books that they could make because it was kind of isolated in Jamaica and stuff.

Yeah. But I don't think it's the most dynamic of the novels or the film. It's a little, a little slow. If you haven't seen these guys fall out there, we recommend see it? Yes. There will be none of these I don't recommend you see. That's true.

We're going to say we recommend all of them. Except for maybe the world is not enough. The world is not enough. The world is not enough. It's a true fact. We need more world. This is Mike Brevler. Do you need me for this?

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Once were warriors Thank you Steve for joining us Thank you guys For AGing with us We'll see you back for each episode Here and out Oh okay All right

Everybody who's listening In listener land Just really great times and everybody's great and tell your family you love them. This has come out and we've already done more

so any advice you have regarding this episode we don't, we're not going to take it. Next up is from Russia with Love. Do we have a confirmed guest? I'll try and confirm it right now but we're trying to get Doug Benson to come on and watch that.

After that we'll be Quantum of Solis which probably nobody wants to be a guest for Yeah, you're going in first, last, second, second to last. What's going to be the the final movie. For your eyes only. Oh, that's awesome.

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