James Bonding - SPECTRE with Doree Shafrir and Amanda Lund

Episode Date: January 10, 2024

The Matts' better halves join the Matts to discuss Daniel Craig's latest outing as Bond and what it's like to be married to a Bond head. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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H-Q. My name's Matt. I'm also Matt. But today we are joined by our wives and partners in podcasting. much so I think maybe our wives are eclipsing us in our own podcasting careers. Yeah. I think that's just the kind of a good

relationship. You let, you bring them up into the podcasting universe and then you watch their star rise above yours. That's right. As we fade into the distance. Yeah. And either fade or just burn out. Yeah, burning out at a rapid pace

which is why we're delighted to be welcomed by Dori and Amanda. Guys, thanks for coming. Thanks for having us. Yeah, I'm glad to be here. In your own home. Yeah, I've just rolled out of bed. I know.

It's about, we start around 10.30. I'm still in my pajamas. This is some casual weekend podcasting guys. It's the best way to do it. Yeah. How are you doing? Well, I'm great. How are you doing in your walk with Bond?

Oh, God. Isn't that gross? Yes, it is. Dory, you were. were the reason why we got to see Spector early in the first place. Yes. You know, it's funny you say that, Matt, because as we were watching it the other night, I was like, you know, I've already seen this.

I saw it. You're making me do this. With you guys. And Matt was like, no, you didn't. What do you mean? And he was like, I saw it with Matt Goreley. You thought we went alone? I only remember you.

He had cut me out. Oh, my God. He cut me out of the screening. My memory of Spector was just a beautiful time with Matt. The reason you may be confused is you met us at the theater. Yes, but not only was I there, but I got you guys in. The whole reason for it. I know.

It's because, you know what? You're remembering that lovely romantic breakfast we had beforehand, where we recorded at breakfast at some little cafe in the mid part of town, and then we went and met Dory at this theater. It was like in Century City. Yeah. But it's also like, I have a photo, I have a photo of you in the theater. excited.

Yeah. And it's just you. With the poster? Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right. In my brain, that's the memory where it's just us in an empty theater enjoying Spector. I was there too.

No. I was there. I was there. I met you guys. I picked Dory up and then I met you guys there. In a year when we talk about this episode is just going to be the two of us. You have not seen, Matt, you have not seen Spector since. the theater? Is that right?

We discovered this when I did a mad dash search in the house for the Blu-ray. Oh. And it was unopened. And I was like, where is the Blu-ray? And I swore I bought it. And I couldn't find it. And then she was going to, uh, Dory was going to buy it on iTunes. Uh, but I was like, let me just go on Amazon and go to buy Spector.

And it will tell me if I bought Spector. And it said, you bought this February 1st, 2016. And it's buried under 18. guitars in your house. Well, then I was like, it must have fallen behind the DVD shelf. And I, sure enough, I looked with a flashlight. There he was. Wow. Daniel Craig.

And Dory, have you seen this since the theater? Oh, no. And Marty? I think I have just in the background, because you have it on sometimes. Yeah. We may have watched it on a plane. A plane ride. Really?

Yeah. What year did this come out? Good question. 2015, yeah. 2015, so didn't we go on an international trip? We went to Japan in 20. Yeah, but I can't imagine. Because wasn't it the only, oh, no, no, no, I'm thinking of the other one.

The only movie you had on your laptop for that international flight. Yeah. Yeah. I think I've seen this more than once. Well, you saw it a few times in the theater because we went, I think we went twice. And then my parents came to town and my dad really wanted to see it with me. So we went to the I-PIC theater and that's the one where you can lie down. And you made no bones about it like.

lay down, they have a blanket in a pillow, and you went to bed probably before the movie even started. I did, because it's kind of like a long movie. Yeah, and I had to go because we were with the in-laws and I had already seen this movie, but they wanted to see it. So I put that blanket over my head and I literally took a nap. What a whole movie. It was nice. We also saw the I pick with Paul. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. We've been to that theater a couple times for Specter. Yeah. I cannot believe how many times, Matt, you'll see movies, like Star Wars, James Bond movies. You'll go to the theater like five times. The only movie I've ever. I've ever. I've ever. I've done that with was Titanic when I saw it a record eight times in the theater. You didn't even have to say that. I knew that. Well, if it makes you feel any better, I think I saw Titanic probably five times or something in the theater. Seriously? Yeah. How could you do that? Why? Literally at the same time, Tomorrow Never Dies was in the theater. That's why. I kept going to see Tomorrow Never Dies and I'll just watch Titanic. I didn't realize you were such a Titanic head. I was a huge T-head. You're a Titan, bro? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But what did you like about it? Because I was like 10 and I loved in order to Caprio.

Yeah, same. I was huge into, I don't know why, I was huge into the history of Titanic for a brief time. That's not a weird thing. I guess, yeah. I also have been into the history of Titanic many times over. And I thought that movie, I haven't seen it in years,

but at the time I remember being really moved by the humanity of people just dying in the ocean. Like, that was something special effects-wise you'd never seen on that scale before. And it was really, I found it to be really gripping. I think I saw a few years ago and it surprisingly probably didn't quite hold up. Honey, what's the, you're not a big repeat movie watcher. What is the, what is the movie you saw the most times in the theater?

Pump up the volume. Christian Slater. I haven't wanted to watch that recently. Why, were you a big Chead? Yes. Careful with Al. I was a big C. Christian Slaterhead.

Yeah, I saw that movie four times in the theater. I was in like middle school and I thought he was, was the coolest person who had ever lived ever. The whole thing was very aspirational, which is kind of dark. Well, here you are podcasting out of your own home. Exactly. I am happy Harry Hardon. Yes.

He has a pirate radio station out of his garage or his bedroom that he like becomes this like real indie cool voice of a generation thing. We should watch it. And it turns out that his dad is the superintendent of the school system and he doesn't know that his son. is the pirate radio broadcaster who's fomenting revolution in the town. He also doesn't know his son with the most distinct voice ever in human history is this one person. Samantha Mathis plays the love interest.

It's really great. Yeah. She was at that time, that was a big deal. She was like, she was kind of a poor man's Winona. Yeah, I think that's probably why I liked her. I felt like she's closer to being in my voice. You know who else is an accessible Winona writer?

Who? Stranger Things, Wynonna writer. Joyce. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you're David Harbor.

Yeah. Those are two sexy people. David Harbor, star of Quantum of Salas. That's right. I can't leave to watch that movie again. All right. Let's get into Spanter.

Well, I was going to say the movie I've watched the most in the theater. Nine times. Phantom Menace. That's this recent one? No. That's the one from 1999. The first prequel. Oh.

Yeah. With little Darth Vader. Yeah. I saw Platoon in the theater when I was junior high six or eight times, eight times. Wow. I think that was our rated, Matt Corley. My mom was, uh, interesting. I want to say progressive, but more lazy and possibly neglect.

No, I'm kidding. She's wonderful. Oh, Dory, you've never been on this podcast, so we've never asked you. Yeah, right. What is your, what's your, what's your life's introduction of James Bond? marrying you. Oh, it's actually a good one. Oh. When I was six years old, my family and I went to Provincetown, Massachusetts for the summer. My mom's good friend had a house there. He was a lovely gay man. I didn't, I didn't quite understand what that meant at six, but he had a very handsome Dutch

roommate. Um, and, and, this story is already great. Octopus he was playing in like the, the Provincetown, you know, cinema, but like one screen cinema. Tori, this is my first Bond movie in the theater, too. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wow. And I think my parents were just like, oh, she's like too young. She won't, she won't get it.

So we can just take her to see Octopocy. Yeah. And I was like, oh. They also took me to see trading places that summer. Like, they really didn't give a shit. That's great one, two punch of movies. Yeah, it really is. That's not bad.

So that was my introduction to James Bond, but my dad is a, he loves James Bond. Behead. I would, I'm going to ignore that comment. Well, you're a C-A-D, he's a B-Hid. I don't get it. He would always watch the marathons on T&T. Oh, yeah. And was just, I don't know, he really loved James Bond.

Matt, you know my dad. I do. Abashai-Shafirir. What is that? Is that track for you? The inventor of Krav Maga. What? We joke about him at work at the Goldbergs, you know, because we're always like looking

for a Jewish name. He's Israeli, my dad. We always say Abashai. That's a great name. Abashai Shafriar. And we, you know, we've talked about it before in the room, in the writer's room, but there's a working theory in the family that Abashai is one of the Israeli spies, one of the Massad.

Oh, Massad, yeah. Oh, wow. We don't really think he is. Well, honey, why don't you tell everyone... Wait, is there actually a small possibility he could be?

Yes. Uh, honey, why don't you tell everyone what your dad did for a living? Uh, import export. Come on. That's what James Bond does. No, why don't you tell everyone where your dad would like have to travel to and for how

long? The Philippines. He would be gone for like weeks. What would he be importing and exporting? Textiles? Textiles. Everything gets vaguer and vaguer. What kind of textiles?

Like this kind. Like the stuff like that's stuff for your sofa, like upholstery. Did he have a showroom or he was more of a middleman? He was more of a middleman. Sure he was. Sure. He couldn't tie him down. But he would keep samples like in our garage.

Our garage was filled with samples. Yeah. He was also a paratrooper in the Israeli army. Oh my God. That's cool. You know, no big deal. So there's the honest. like this whole like thing where we joke about it.

But then when you meet him you're like there's no way. But that makes him perfect. I don't know. To be a spy. I think there's something to it. Because I feel like there's never like whenever I've brought it up around him or your mother there's always like

they should be more playful with it but they're like they sort of like we don't joke about that. They just know they just like like have a weird sense of pride in the rumor. Yeah, because it's so ridiculous. But they should also be like, that's ridiculous. No.

That may be, yeah, they like it. I, of course, was an import exporter of textiles and often had to go to the Philippines in Europe for weeks at a time. Leaving my small children. Uh-huh. Makes sense to me. Well, more on this story as it develops. Yeah, we should have him on sometime.

Oh, I wish I loves the James Bond. They're in Boston. Yeah, they're in Boston. Okay. So, yeah, anyway, I'm glad we could discuss your father's spy tactics. Yeah. Well, let's dig into Spector. Now, I already know that you feel this movie got worse, Matt.

I feel it got a little better, but I wonder. I'm excited to hear that. Part of it was Amanda and I talked about this last night. It was Friday at like 8 o'clock. We made a cocktail. It's raining outside. We plug the ottoman into the couch, which makes it like a bed. And any James Bond movies better than even the lesser bonds are better than most movies.

So I was already like, this could be Tomorrow Never Dies, and I'd probably like it right now, you know? I don't think that's true. But I enjoyed it up to a point. I think that's the problem with this one. No, we watched it together. I came home and it had started. it was in fairness I haven't

I didn't watch the whole thing I only watched but I did watch from literally from Bond in his apartment you started late yeah because I was already watched it

oh wow okay yeah I don't need to go back and watch a cold open yeah and them get angry about him blowing up Mexico City I thought you were gonna say you didn't watch the ending

which you'd probably do yourself a favor to knock that third act out that's the problem of this movie so much many, so many things. So many things to discuss. Well. Anyway, I look forward to you guys' opinions on this because I have now done two podcasts about

this movie. No, we've done four. Okay. So we've done four podcasts. Because we did three when it came out and this will be fourth. This is the most covered James Bond movie we've ever done. Why this? Because it came out, it was the only film to come out during the run of James bonding. So we did like the first time we saw it, we did a revisit. I think we did one with Paul Shear. And then this one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we also did once we did an hour and a half on the 10 minute press conference announcing the cast we did effortlessly I might add oh we didn't mean to go that long yeah yeah we just did but now the Danny Boyle's on board I feel like we're gonna have quite a few podcasts for everybody out there I'm excited except

it just occurred to me with small tangent okay okay so if you guys don't know Danny Boyle came in they had a script already done for the next bond and Danny Boyle came in and said I'll do it if I can do this idea with my screenwriter and if he turns out something I like, I'll do it. So it's a totally different idea. They're throwing the other script away. My only concern is that it's some Trump era based story. Like, I just don't want it to be tied to this kind of climate and Trump style. Like, you know, that's my only fear is it's going to be that. But then it's probably more likely that the... You're afraid it's going to be too woke? No, not woke. I mean, too, like, based on a idiot, you know, pseudo-dictator or something.

But then probably the Purvis and Wade script was more like that anyway. Maybe that's what they're throwing out. I don't know. You know, it is interesting how I remember watching Spector in the theater and thinking about the whole threat of the surveillance and the constantly being watched and the, you know, George Orwell of it all. And it's so funny how like now watching. And here we are.

Yeah. I love that. Bring that back and get rid of this guy. I know. Quantum of Salas was all about water and there goes South Africa's water. Yeah. It's the, uh, it's the crystal ball of our times, the James Bond franchise. So, all right.

Let's dig into this. Everyone look out for Chinese broadcasting rights. Oh, God. The cold open, the famous quote unquote one take cold open. I love how you qualify it every time. Wow. You can see the seams. What did I say last night?

Well, you had me guess where they were. changing the camera. And wasn't that fun? Oh, I love these games. Not so bad, am I? Friday night at home? It wasn't hard to guess. Let's play guess the one-take camera cut scenes.

You abide a lot. What do you guys think of this long, this long, lengthy shot through a parade? It seems unnecessary? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But by the same token, I did enjoy, like, this movie is so campy. And I enjoyed, like, the campiness of it. Yeah. Because we have, well, I don't want to skip ahead too much.

It's okay. Oh, you can skip wherever you need to skip, because that's the beauty of this. But, like, the Day of the Dead parade, plus the whole situation in Rome is just, like, so. over the top. Yeah. The Rome thing was originally going to be a masquerade ball. Ooh. See? They're like, they're, they're parallel. Yeah. Interesting. The situation in Rome meeting the meeting. Yeah. The meeting and the Monica Blucci's seduction. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Totally like extraneous Monica Bluchy's. Yeah. Yes. But we talked about this

last night that she's one of the very few secondary bond girls in a film. to not end up dead. But that we see. Right, but the last thing we hear is that she's going to contact Felix lighter and get taken to safety. Yeah, but you never check in with her again. That's true, but I feel like Felix got the job, though. Yeah, and I think if they would have checked in, it would have been to show us that she's dead.

And David Hover also probably helped out. Oh, I don't trust him. And the daughter doesn't end up dead either. No, she will. But, well, we'll see. Yeah, I know. Now they've thrown the script out. The theory was that they were going to do, the next movie was going to do kind of a reboot of Von Her Majesty's Secret Service where she's killed, like Tracy, his wife was in the original one.

And that seems to be probably the script that was getting thrown out because that was also leaked at some point. The whole script was? No, the outline, the fact that it was going to be a reboot of that. Interesting. Yeah. Well, I do, yeah, I do wonder what they're going to do now. I also like, because you can have Danny Boyle on board, but like Daniel Craig also has to be on board with this, right? He's on board. Or is he just like...

He wants it. Okay. He wants whatever Danny Boyle wants, is what we're saying. I think he, they came into Barbara Broccoli and said, we like this idea, whatever it is. A real behead. A real beehead. Yeah, I love Barbara Rockley. Yeah.

Well, I like the opening sequence of the Di Dio Delos Mortez. It makes you want to go to Mexico City. Yeah. But the helicopter thing. for me just like... The first time I saw it, I didn't, wasn't that impressed, to be honest. But now this time watching it, I was like, oh, wow.

It's because we're two gin and tonics in any Friday night. I was really feeling kind of the movements of it and when the helicopter is twirling and stuff. I thought this could be an interesting like VR theme park ride. Oh, well, I mean, if you're talking about theme parks, I just want to plug my friend Matt's beautiful new posters that you can purchase.

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Can we get one? Sure. This is so much better than those first samples you get. Oh, yeah, yeah. I agree. I 100% think. Honey, would you like to really see it? Because I just have to talk about how beautiful it is.

That is really freaking. Cool. This is the best commercial for your work. I didn't know this is going to happen. This is beautiful. Now, this is my favorite part here, this throne. This is where she sits and does the tarot reading. Yeah.

And it's tricked into losing her virginity. Yep. by James Bond, who stacks the deck with the love tarot card. Oh, my gosh. Yep, and that's a cananga balloon, which is the second worst part of a James Bond movie. You are very talented. Oh, Dory.

Thank you. There's also a hidden Margo. Honestly, I thought she was talking to me. And then when she finished the sentence, you are very talented. I was like, oh, it's very talented. You are very talented as well, but I don't see a poster in front of me that you've been created.

There's no proof. Yeah. I'm now looking for. for the hidden margot. My goal is to put a hidden margot in any one of these that I do. It's fairly well hidden, though not impossible to find. Oh, it's in there. Well, I guess you've found the hidden margot for everyone.

Well, I guess you just told everyone. Oh, no. Another part I got to cut out. You had to bleep it. You had to bleep it. 2210. Okay. Good job, Matt.

I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I couldn't guess. You didn't see. That's true. The only one. No, there's multiple. technically I'm not going to go into further detail but technically not where I said she was.

This is going to be the most work I've ever had to put into editing an episode. Gold and I will always be that for me. Oh no, you're right. That one took hours, hours. Okay, so the helicopter scene, I do like the wherewithal to grab the ring. Yeah. Did we talk about this last time when the helicopter does a flip? The music is such that it feels like it's either referencing the slide whistle in Man with the Golden Gun or is just as poorly.

Cued. Cued, yeah. Because when a helicopter does a flip, the music kind of goes, loo-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l. And there's this really infamous scene in a Bond movie where this amazing stunt happens, but John Barry puts in a slide whistle when it happens and it makes it look really wacky. And it just goes, whee. Uh-huh. And so this felt like a nod to that in some way or something. Or like just a bad call.

I don't know. Work for me. Yes, this is the first time we see the Spector logo since with Thunderball. Gosh, I don't know. I think so. I'm just going to say yes since Thunderball. And, you know, as a fan of the Bond franchise, I'm kind of like, oh, this is exciting. They finally have Spectre back.

They're really going to use it up. but as it becomes clearer and clearer through the process of watching this movie they try to tie everything together is the biggest mistake they've made do you want to do you guys want a little inside scoop I have something uh I love an inside scoop oh sure I'll take it all right I'm not going to say no to a scoop I'm a real eye head sit back for a second my understanding before when we talked about this was that the John Logan draft which is he was the first person brought on

Purvis and Wade are these screenwriters for James Bond that have been with the franchise for a long time, pre-Daniel Craig. And we've been blaming for years, we've been blaming a lot of bad things on them. But then recently we've sort of changed our tone thinking maybe they were responsible from some of the better stuff. But now, here's some evidence back to the original idea. Okay.

So in the Sony hacks, remember North Korea hacked? Oh my God. They leaked the Purvis and Wade script of Spector, the one that we see, but it was prior to many different drafts. the ending was different. Blofeld had a female, Irma Bunt. That was her name. Sidekick, like a lesbian, one kind of hitting on Madeline Swan.

But this is John Logan's original script draft, according to MI6, the website we used for the Timothy Dalton third movie draft. So here are some notes from the script, and they actually seem pretty good. Okay. Oh, follow up to that. Yeah. I think I can get my hands on the script for that.

third Timothy Dalton movie. Oh, wow. Please do. I know the guy. I know the brother of the person who wrote it. I've discovered. Wow. Okay. You've got to get that. We're going to follow up with that. Okay. So here were the things that were in the original draft of the script. The Day of the Dead opening, the Rome meeting and car chase, the Mr. White scene, the Austrian spa and plane chase, the North African train ride, and the finale in London. But the details of these sequences obviously changed considerably. Okay. Here's some details of Logan's first draft. Okay. By the way, I want to say each of those setpiece things, I like each of them. I didn't as much.

Some of them I did, but... You don't like the spa? The spa's where Madeline Swan works, right? Yeah, I liked that whole scene in there, but the airplane chase and the car chase in Rome felt like written in the script like car chase, plane chase. There wasn't any thing... Oh, I see what you're saying. Sure. Dynamic about them or something.

I like when he pushes the little car with his big car. Yeah. Yeah, that was funny. I liked it too. And the Fiat like just glides into the parking space. I really like that. The airbag goes off and this one, she gives real chuckle to that airbag going off. It's pretty funny.

It's a great physical comedy. Yeah, I agree. All right, here we go. Interestingly, the whole MI6 team are in the field for the opening sequence. Bond is posing as a cage fighter in Amsterdam where he is fighting a man named Valenti. Is this on, is this John Logan's dream? Yes. Wait, so this is instead of Day of the Day of the Day?

Yeah. Well, he switched, he put in Day of Dead himself on a second draft or a third draft. Okay, so there's no Day of the Dead. Not yet. Okay, got it. Sorry. So we're in Amsterdam. Yes.

Q is posing as Valenti's medic throughout the fight. It all leads to a grand boat chase. Valenti is essentially the skiaura of the script. However, Bond does not kill him in the opening. Instead, 007 fakes his own death and escapes. Okay. Bond re-encounters Valenti later in Rome at a mass. ball. Okay. All right. The Blofeld reveal also happens during the opening sequence. You don't

physically see the character. Instead, you witness Bond decipher a book code which yields the name Blofeld. Apparently, the sequence had a tinge of World War II Enigma Machine about it, which I'm into. I don't, and I don't know where you guys are, but I just needed to say that. No, we love an enigma machine. I'd love to know more about this and all the studio execs are in agreement that the name reveal is terrific. Okay. Logan introduces the idea that there is a mole within MI6, with even characters like Moneypenny being under suspicion. Apparently, this would have led to paranoia developing back in London with the allies being picked apart, especially Money, Penny, and Tanner who are said not to get along.

Additionally, there is no reference made to Franz Oberhouser. It would appear that the half-brother nonsense came about during Purvis and Wade's run at the script. Motherfuckers. In Logan's draft, Blofeld is an African warlord with a grudge against British. going back to the colonial days. It would also be revealed that Blofeld's real name is Joseph Kiembu. Chouetto I Joifur had agreed to play the role. But I had always heard that he was going to play C.

So maybe that he was attached and they had to change it to C when they got off this script. In the first draft, there is no plane cheese in Austria. Instead, a reference is made to parkour on skis. Yeah. Wow, I'm listening. Yeah. It would seem that Mendez had a. rather different plan for the iconic henchman role. In the final film, we got Mr. Hinks. However, in the

Logan script, we meet a black-op CIA agent named Charlotte. She essentially fills the role that Hinks plays in the final film and turns up at all the intervals he does. In other words, references made that it is her who finds the dead Mr. White in the chalet, chases Bond in Rome, and is involved in the Australian plane chase. He's kind of into that. Charlotte would have started the film as Bond's ally in Rome only later to be revealed as a specter operative. During the ski chase, Bond would give Charlotte a, quote, iconic wound to her face. Oh, cool. So she'd come back with a scar.

She's the scarred person instead of Blofeld. Almost done here. I think you get multiple scars, Matt. You don't just have to have one. It's not like they're giving you one scar per movie. That's true. Bond had a scar in the book. It should also be mentioned that there is no reference to Oberhouser, see, or, quote,

nice eyes. I don't know what that means. In fact, Blofeld's scheme involves blowing up a NATO base in the first draft. Okay. Also, Logan did an additional draft that switched Amsterdam for Mexico City in the Day of the Dead. The big difference here was that Moneypenny would have been involved and suffered great wounds that led to her going to the hospital. The general consensus was that Logan's second draft was worse than the execs imagined, which of course paved the way for Purvis and Wade to return.

I like that there's no brother, angle. That's that, you know, that's one of the big, dumb things about the movie. It's one of the Albatross, stupid. Why do you guys not like the brother angle? It's too coincidental, it seems, or like it's too unbelievable that from, that all of the three prior movies were orchestrated by Blowfeld just to get revenge on Bond because his father loved Bond more. Fair. Also, the other thing, too, is it winds up being just like Austin Powers gold member. You find out that Dr. Evil and Austin were siblings.

Yeah, which is, yeah, parody, parading, parody. Yeah. Like, it's a snake game. And the reveal was also a reveal that, like, people compare this a lot. Like, Khan in the new Star Trek movies, you're only being revealed as a sting for the audience because... Plot-wise, it makes no sense to... Blofeld means nothing to anyone in this world, this new world. Right.

For him to go, my name is actually Blofeld. has a resonance to people that know the James Bond history, it doesn't mean anything. Well, I mean, I don't know it that well, and I know the name Blofeld. Yeah. But I feel like I understand the impulse to want to like take it more personal and make them brothers, but it's really not like addressed that much in the movie. And they don't seem to have any chemistry or I don't know. Yeah. You just don't really, it doesn't add anything. I kind of agree. Although I do like that they look alike. Interesting. But they're not even real brothers. Oh. Yeah. So bonds. But still, they kind of

lookalike. Yeah. Well, I guess the, yeah, Bond's parents die in a climbing accident in Switzerland and then Oberhouser takes in Bond. He's a family friend or something. And then Little Blofeld is jealous

because this guy likes Bond better and so he kills his father in a fake avalanche or something and then goes on to devoting his rest of his life to basically being the author of all of James's pain and doing this whole espionage thing he wants to do.

The side hustle? Yeah. The espionage side hustle. So apparently it was Sam Mendi's idea to do the brother thing and retro retcon all of the prior movies. Yeah, that was lame. I think so. It's the worst thing about the movie. According to MI6

or something. What? It is the worst thing about the movie as far as I did. But why when we first saw it were we fine with it? Because we got all the things we wanted. Yeah. We sort of got to ignore the larger plot strokes because we wanted all of these things. We wanted him going on a mission. We wanted him having gadgets. We wanted, we were excited to have Blowfeld back at any capacity. You know, we liked the love story with Madeline, which I think still works. Yeah, I like their

scenes together. It's hard to believe they develop this deep a tie in that amount of time, but their scenes together are pretty good, and she's really good. Although I will say that it is, I sort of enjoyed their relationship more this time. What do you guys think about that, their whole arc? I love it. I think it's great. I think she's so good and so pretty. He's so hot.

I can't complain. I mean, it does seem a little fast when she's like, you know, I love you. But now, this time it occurred to me that is she, I know she probably does love him, but is she doing that to kind of like see if he's still there, to break? break him out to like kind of say something drastic because he's just had his brain drool? Yeah, no, I don't, I think it's meant to be sincere. Yeah. I like their relationship.

Yeah. I think the scene in the train is really great. I do too. Yeah. That's a good one. Boy, I don't, has there ever been a bad bond train scene? No, there hasn't. Because also the fights and trains are amazing because they're close quarters.

Yeah. And the article. It's moving. Yes. That's right. I know. It's literally forward moving. Phil, our man in the East Nobill Jr. wrote a great article on birth,

movie's death about what's to like about Spector, and it's all about that train fight, which is really good. That's a set piece I love, and I felt like the kind of energy that that had was lacking in the car chase and the plane chase for some reason. Yeah, that's definitely a really special sequence. It drives me crazy, though, when people don't get to drink their drinks. I know. Or eat their food, right?

Yeah, it makes me so mad in movies. And also, I will say in this movie there wasn't, you never see Bond. eating or drinking really. I said the same thing. Because that's what I want out of a Bond movie. I want to see like him ordering a steak. You are speaking my language. I said the exact same thing to Matt.

And Matt kind of defended him and was like he does to eat. And I was like, no he doesn't. That's what's so great about Casino Royale is after the thing they sit down for a meal. And he's like got food in his mouth when he's talking and he's, you know. Yeah. And I want to see more drinking, more eating. And yeah. Honestly, more of the sex scenes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we don't even see him and Monica Baluchy, like actually doing it. I know. I know. They could have lured a little bit more. Well, sometimes you get too much, like in Die Another Day. There's a scene, a montage, love scene with Hallie Berry, and like you get to basically

see Brosnan's whole rapture face, and it is uncomfortable. Oh, no, I don't need that. Yeah. I think, yeah, so this is the most recent Bond movie that's come out, right? Yeah, it feels like they were trying to be. I don't know. Like, they were trying to be a little bit too woke

for a Bond movie. Well, Bond movie has trouble with that because it's history. And it's good that they're trying, but it was just, it's rated PG-13. Oh, yeah. Notice too, like when he pokes,

when Hinks pokes out that guy's eyes, there's barely any blood. Yeah, you don't see it happen. Yeah. But I thought that was kind of like the point of it, right, is that he's able to kill someone and just has to white piss little thumbs. Like that's all.

He doesn't kill him until he snaps his neck. That's true. He just pokes his eyes out. Yeah, but you'd think there would literally be kind of a gross, goopy pop with like a little. Ew, I know there was no sound effect. There's no, there's no, there's no sound effect when he broke his neck. Either, usually you hear that kind of like. A freak, yeah.

On the food thing, how did you feel when he refuses that digestive shake? I bet you were pretty pissed. No, I liked that he didn't drink it. Yeah, I would have gobble that thing down. Yeah. At the spa. I know. Look, she makes us these green...

Matt has one right now. It's amazing. It looks exactly like the thing, except you're missing a celery stick. But what was that spa? So it's a spa also like a therapy center? It seems like it's the golden door, which is like... That's where my dad used to go.

Wait, what? It's what it seems like it is. The golden door. Yeah, where he got one tonyl painted every time? Yeah, he'd come home. So my... That's so Bond, remember? Yeah.

My grandpa had like a bunch of kids, And he, every year, he was like this big lawyer in Huntington Beach. And he'd take all the sons to the golden door and all the wives would have to stay home. And they were so angry because they never got to go to the spa. And so then all the men would come home. I just knew my dad would just go away for a week once a year. And he'd come home with this. We'd be like, Daddy, Daddy, take off your shoes.

And he'd show us his one golden toenail. And we never really understood where he had been. That is so weird. And for our wedding, remember you made me get my one and only pedicure manicure. And so I had my... We got him a golden toenail. For his... For homage.

For homage to your dad. But I don't know that there was mental health services there at the golden door. I thought it was more... They'll just sort of work you over. You pick out your workouts. You pick up your relaxing. I'd never heard of this thing. I thought this was more of like an old school sanatorium.

Yeah. Or, yeah, like a high end... Like out of Hesse. What? Like out of Herman Hesse. Yes. Yeah. It's like a like high end rehab wellness.

Yes. Center or something. High in the Alps. Yeah. Remote. You go there to like recover your mental and physical health. Do you think it's like where like they would send a Harvey Weinstein now? Yeah, probably.

Maybe. Have you guys seen the night manager? Yes. Oh yeah. It's so good. I feel like there's a similar thing in that mini series, which is really good. I know. It's so good.

If you haven't watched that, you got to watch that. I know what? I made the mistake of reading the book after watching it. Oh, yeah. The book is like 5,000 pages long and has like so many more just like extraneous detours. Oh, I might have to do that. Have you read any of his other books, Lecar, Ray? I'm trying to remember if I've actually read them.

My dad really likes John. I'm a big Ahead. Surprise, surprise. It's a little on the nose. I mean, come on. If you were really a spy, would you like sit around? All day reading spy novel? He's always carrying one with him.

He's got a red carnation on his lapel at all times. By the way, I think this might be a controversial opinion, but we saw Red Sparrow, and I really liked it. It seems like a lot of people have not liked it, but it's got a real nod to Rosa Kleb in it, and it's kind of... It does? Yeah, a huge element of film is a Rosa Kleb type character. And it's, I think a lot of people like Atomic Blonde, which I didn't care for.

And that's kind of like comic booky and superhero. This one is real slow burn, more la carte. And I really liked it quite a bit. And I thought I'd recommend it. But with no obligation for you to enjoy it, because I guess a lot of people haven't. But I did. I have not seen it. If you like bangs, you'll love.

Oh, I do like bangs. Her bangs were doing all the acting. I see. We should talk about the song very quickly. Is it true that this is the only Oscar-winning Bond song? I'm trying to remember. No, Skyfall won. It did?

Okay, I had it. Yeah, you were confused then. They went back to back with their movies. They both won? Yeah, Skyfall one. Adele and Sam Smith. Terrible song. Yeah.

This song is not good. You like it, though. I really like the one, that good part of it. That plays like during the love scene on the train and stuff. But I agree it's missing a, like a catchy chorus. Totally. I don't hate it. You don't hate it.

No. I can hear right where that chorus needs to be. It's right after the first musical moment and then after that trail off part. It just needs a romantic hook or something. It needs an all-time high, you know? It's hard to follow Skyfall. The plot? Oh.

I agree. Listen, I'm going to say something. about the wokeness of James Bond, I do appreciate that they asked a gay man to do the song because it's such a hyper-masculine movie. And I was, I like Sam Smith. They don't care about that. They think they're more like,

are they the hottest pop star we can get right now? Yeah, let's do it. But still, it's good. Equal opportunity. Because then I think when he won, he gave some sort of political speech. Oh, he mistakenly thought he was the first gay person to win an Oscar.

Yes, that's right. Oh, really? And then he kept getting corrected by one of the guys by like Ian McKellen. I was like, no. You're not at all. You're not at all the first gay guy. That's really funny. But he's the gayest gay guy.

Yeah. At that's fair. At that Academy Awards for sure. But yeah, so the song, the opening title sequence is okay. It's okay. It's okay. Yeah. The.

Judy Dench popping up was a nice surprise. I like that. I like that too. Lepels. Come on. Again, you know, say it every time.

He's in a movie we're watching, but no one's got better posture than Ray finds. Yeah, Matt has that kind of posture because you have that little sway back. So often you stand like that with your hands on your hips. I do more and more of these days. Yeah. I'm getting busted by it.

I mean, just to feet, like he just. I think he is so handsome. Isn't I agree. I feel like I was. making you jealous last night on how much I was talking about Ray Fines. Not jealous. I mean, I fully support it.

He's so charismatic, so dashing. So dashing. Those blue eyes? Yeah. So you were more into him than Daniel Craig? I do not find Daniel Craig attracted. Really? Dory, what is it about him?

He's got that smushed face. He looks like a boxer. Do you find him charismatic at all? I'm so sure. You don't see that swag. In the very opening sequence, I said this last night. Like, I would feel like such a nerd walking around in that suit with that skeleton mask on. Like, the way that he's able to be so confident and, like, lean into her in the elevator

and, like, and then, like, move away is so astonishing to me because I would be humiliated to be dressed like that. And then also have to be sexy on top of it. But he's just so confident. Like, he has the confidence of a man who underneath it is wearing a $7,000 Tom Ford suit. That's fair Yeah, that couldn't hurt That's true

But even when he goes out of the window You know, when the girl's on the bed And he steps over that railing in a way That I've never seen before It's so smooth It's like something has been The footage has somehow been manipulated He is, he is, I think he does move

He does move the smoothest He yeah, maybe he and Connery Yeah He's also like he's, I like I like that he's built like a bulldog Yeah I like that about him I like that he's sit.

He's like a stocky sort of build. I also enjoy that he's exactly my height. Oh, he is. I don't think I'd pick him out of a lineup, you know, but when it's something about him in motion is like really like incredible. Yeah. Yeah, they should have gone on that parkour on skis. I know.

I'm really great. What would that even be? I don't know. Would he like run up the side of a tree, do a flip and land on a snowboard? Yes. Yes. All right. a storyboard that man.

All the all the could have should have and would have beens of the bond world, man. I just hope heaven is a place where you get to see it all. It sure does that. Right next to all your dogs that have died. Yeah, never owned a dog. It's going to be lonely up there. A lot of cats will be there, though. Yeah, that's for sure.

Yeah, so this whole thing with C coming in, whatever, it's a fine sort of the rust. I guess the real plot. What is the plot here? They want that... Well, Blofeld is using C as a mole to get his whole surveillance thing into operation of all the international governments. It doesn't make sense, though, right?

Also, you know, it's never made clear is like, what exactly is in it for C? Like, is he getting paid a lot of money? No one ever really says. He says, why would he do this? And he goes, he's a visionary like me. So it's an idealistic sort of... But see, that seems flimsy.

I know, but yeah. There's not a lot of like human stakes. Like it's like the surveillance system, which is obviously like, oh, yeah, that's no good. But it's not like, oh, we're going to blow up the world or like, you know. Well, they do do that, but it's very secondary. And you find out it after the fact that they're doing inciting terrorist events to make this thing happen. Right. You never really see it.

It's my real question, though, right? This thing going online seems to really have no bearing on. um blowfeld's own ability to pull up whatever camera he wants in whatever city he wants anyway right like this whole thing going online

I think really has no it is meaningless yeah I mean this is like that room that he walks into and I'll get to that when we get to the end of the movie because it's ridiculous but like you know he seemed they seem to be able to pull whatever information they want anyway right like he just wants a third party data

collecting center to like save on his bills like what does he want i don't understand it this bond movies have a knack of doing that like your first watch you don't really question the plot because you're watching all the set pieces and stuff but on a second watch and when you really try to dissect it they almost never hold up yeah and this is a case of that it isn't well i think you know this is a case tomorrow never dies holds up that's a clear he just wants exclusive black broadcast rights of china for a hundred years, so he wants to start World War 3. Very clear. Yeah.

Very clear. That old formula. The cleanest of the plots. Best movie ever made. She wanted Joseph Campbell's myths. All the way back to Shakespeare. Also, wait, going back to see, does anyone watching that movie not

know that he's evil? He's evil from like the first second. Yeah. It's the worst casting. He's Moriarty, right? Yeah. And I was telling him a man last night. What are you doing?

Like, casting him. Yeah, it should have been a woman or something, like a nice, like, 50-year-old woman. Yeah. Or maybe... He's just evil from the second you meet him. Like, you know he's off. But I wonder if they were trying to do a reverse red herring

where they're like, oh, this is a bureaucratic asshole. And so in the end, it's too obvious, so it won't be him. But it was. Like, are they doing a double-blind kind of thing or something? I don't know. I'm probably giving it. too much credit. I think you're giving it too much credit.

It would have been interesting if it was like one of M's children that became C. That's kind of an element of Ibrahim Mustafa's one-off comic solstice, the one that we're in. Oh, my goodness. Well, I don't want to give away too much, but it's so good. And his, M's daughter is compromised in a way. Does M have children? Yeah. She mentions it.

She does? She mentions it like twice in the space. fan of the, you know, I think she mentions it in the Pierce Brosnan and then she mentions it, I believe. You're not talking about her husband? Well, her husband is seen and then talked about. I don't remember her referencing children. Yeah.

Talk about having it all. The career woman. The double shifts. Talk about the double shifts. God. Yeah. But we don't know if Mallory does. Oh, that's true.

He's got a few out there. Oh, yeah. Does he have a wedding ring on? Like, what's his person? He's got to be married. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Although he does seem like one of these married to the job types.

Yeah. Yeah. Again, also, when they meet him at that, like, cool little restaurant to get the info, who does he meet there? It's like... And Moneypenny and Turner. Yeah, and he's just got that glass of wine and then just, like, leaves it and they all run out without... They don't even order a drink. I'm like, what are we doing here?

Like, let's see a dinner. Well, they're trying to save the world. I know, but you're... You got to stay energized. From Blofeld having a more reasonable data plan. Like, that's essentially what I've developed this plot into in my head, is that he's trying to save money by having a centralized server. But that being said, I think the first two-thirds of this movie are really pretty good that it's really...

No. I do think that. No, you don't. Yes, I do. I don't think you actually think that. I do think that. You're tricking yourself into thinking that. I don't think that.

It's like smoking. Yes, yes. You don't actually enjoy the cigarette. Well, while you convince me, I'm going to go feed the cat because I can hear you. her annoyingly meowing. It's not a Walther PPP.K. What is this? It's a Walther, eat, feed the cat.

Yeah, Pee-P kitty. Oh, there we go. So, you know, Margot has an auto feeder. Oh. She's really hungry. I'm sorry. Don't bring her in here. She's dead for Dory.

Hi. How do you think Bo? How do you think Bo and Margot would get along? Bo would try to hunt Margot. Really? I don't know. Margo is a word. the opponent.

She's... Bo is also afraid of leaves. So I think, you know, Bo like talks a big game and like chases squirrels. But like I feel like if he, like, if ever a squirrel turned and charged Bo,

he would run away so fast. Oh, yeah. So fat. Margo's a, she's a killer. Are you feeling allergies? That might have just been a cough. Yeah. Just a stray cough.

Could have been a psychological cough. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. If my eyes start watering, then I will be feeling the allergies. I think you're going to make it. I think some people aren't, don't respond to her,

but yeah, I also don't, I don't have severe cat allergies. Just like. And I've like come home from here after like six hours and I've like held Margo. Oh yeah, no, that wouldn't that wouldn't definitely.

Oh, you have to like touch her and then touch her face. Yeah, I often notice it if I like end up sitting on like a couch where the cat hangs out all the time. I'm like, why does my throat scratchy in my eyes? Yeah.

But just being in the same house as the cat is often not enough to like really trigger them. Is there, you say Dory, you don't find Daniel Craig to be the sexiest male alive. Who is, who, which James Bond is for you? You know, I was thinking about that because I knew you were going to ask. That's a great question. Matt, we have a big answer coming. Okay, this is exciting. Who Dory finds to be the most attractive James Bond?

I think I would go with Pierce Brosnan. Wow. I agree. He's sexy. When I was a kid, I really like him. He's very dashing and manly. Manly. And suave.

He's very, yeah, suave. But I still like Daniel Craig. I feel he's lacking the confident core that he's putting all of that on a little bit. Yeah. Something doesn't ring true about it. Interesting. Oh, that's because you think that he's not Remington Steele. That I think he's not Remington.

Because isn't, like, he's, isn't he a ghost? Like, isn't he the persona of Remington Steel in the show? Yes. Isn't that the series? Yeah. Like, he's not actually the guy who writes everything. Yes. So he's, you know, he probably brought a little bit of that into James Bond.

I suppose. But look, I don't know. You, everybody should like who they like. No, he's very handsome. Dale Craig, though. me and just come on. Just like you're free to like the first two-thirds of this movie, Matt. Why do you think I don't like the first two-thirds?

Because you really don't. Think about it, Matt. I do. Okay. Let's talk about, well, let's get into it a little bit right now. Smart blood. Defend it. Don't like that.

Okay. What's wrong with smart blood? Yeah, it's too techy and futuristic and I don't know. I do like any time he gets a little shot. Yeah. You know, and it hurts. It's also too close to what they did in Casino Royale. I hate that.

that whole sequence. Cue's little underground layer. Oh, no, not that sequence. I'm talking about the end of the movie. Sorry, sorry. Oh, the torture. Yeah. Oh, I hate that.

We'll get to that. Okay. I don't like that either. We'll get to that. Yeah. Okay. So the Smart Blood so we can be tracked. Okay.

The Aston Martin, DV-11? DB 10, rather. Don't like any of the Aston Martin stuff. Really? Yeah. I don't like all those jokes with the music and the gimmicks and stuff. I don't care for that. I asked him, Martin, it looks like a shark.

You don't think it's funny when he tries to, like, shoot the car behind him and the ammunition's not loaded? I thought that was hilarious. Is this a little bit of your, is this a little bit of the problem that we all have had many times over with him hitting the couch when he falls? I guess it's to do with the fact that this movie has some tone problems as well. When they started introducing a lot of humor into Daniel Craig's films, it didn't feel right to me because he's just come from the scene where he's met that his brother's alive after

this many years and there's been some real gruesome death and then suddenly we're just into bits you know it doesn't it doesn't it doesn't follow what bits the um frank sonatra thanks or not to music the little fiat or whatever it is but that just really made me want to fucking meet double o nine I know what kind of a toolbox is double o nine that he's like I need my frank synchre yeah I didn't mind all that I do agree the car looks like shark, which is not ideal. It's not the best looking Austin Martin, I will say.

Is it Matt? Is it like a Matt gray? Is that why it looks more like a shark? Or is it shiny? I think it's just a shiny silver. They only made five of them, I think. Oh, geez. For that movie. And then they skipped it, like, production-wise, they didn't make a DB 10. They only made it for that movie, and now there's a DB 11.

It looks a lot like that. The car chase is the first place in the movie where I start to feel like, something's a little off here. The car chase is much longer than a, should be. It's just kind of, well, he has to get that phone call in. Oh, that's what it is. They're sticking an exposition scene into a car chase when it should, that totally kills, takes the piss out of a car chase. What is the, what happens to that? He's on the phone with Moneypenny and they're doing investigative work. And it's like, how can you concentrate on a car

chase? But honestly, that's me and my car every day. I call it my mobile office. But you're not speeding through the streets of Rome with a big guy chasing. You don't know what she's doing. You don't know what I do. day to day. When I say I'm going to Trader Joe, you don't know what actually happens. She's going to meet her contact, Trader Joe. Trader Joe.

Do you have a cigarette? Okay, so the ejector seat? I don't like it. Okay. I'm feeling that. That's too wacky. I like it, though.

You do? Well, it's not that I like it. I like the attempt to color Daniel Craig's James Bond a little bit with that kind of stuff. But in the same way that they've had to adjust Bond to be more sensitive to like social norms and like you said being woke,

I think you have to tailor the comedy to the bandwidth of Daniel Craig's movies and they're not wide for comedy. I would like to know what movie caused this problem. This is a problem that we've seen in Star Wars that we've seen in James Bond

and I feel like we've seen it a couple other times where it's just this I think it's Guardians of the Galaxy I was just gonna say I think it's Guardians of the Galaxy The problem is adding this kind of like straight comedy into these serious action movies that are supposed to kind of be a little kitsy but not like this kind of

Well you're especially Daniel Craig's you're supposed to believe this is real like that's the draw of it And Casino Real did it so well, where there was such brightness and like some levity and stuff, but it wasn't goofy. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that came on the heels of Brosnan's films, which were goofy, and they kind of fit his world. But the whole thing was a conscious choice of let's get back to life and reality.

And then they always creep it back in. Yeah, the campiness of it all, it's interesting, the attempt at doing it with Daniel Craig. The whole Rome scene, I don't honestly. I don't know that this movie looks that good. I like the way it looks. It's not... It's not... Everything's yellow.

Yeah, I didn't like the color timing, but I think the cinematography is pretty good. But yeah, there is a lot of yellow color timing in this thing. It's weird. Yeah. So they leave... Okay, my favorite scene of this movie is Mr. White. Yeah, I like this scene. That is my favorite scene of the movie, when he goes and tracks down the pale cake.

And that is a connection to the prior movies that I think really works. I 100% agree. And if you could somehow not have... have. I mean, if you just had Mr. White being involved in Specter, I totally buy it. It works for two reasons because it's satisfying because you never knew what happened to that guy. Yep. And it connects them in a satisfactory way that's believable.

Yeah, totally, 100%. So what did you think of that scene of Mr. White? The one in the chalet where he's all by himself, he's dying of thalium poison. Yes, yes, yes. Do you guys remember him from Casino Real and Quantum of Salas? Oh, yeah. No, he does not. I don't think I've seen Quantum of Salas.

That's probably very true. She hadn't seen Casino Real until like a year ago. Did you like it? Do you like this one better or Casino Real? Oh, God. I don't know. You like Casino Real, I think, better. Okay.

Wait, how long have you guys been together before she saw this? Before she saw Casino Royale. Like literally she saw it last year. I made her one. watch it last year. So how long were you together? Like three years. So you guys went three years without a first date? Yes. Okay. Yes. Four years? Three years?

I don't know. I liked that. I like that. I like that. You like what? I like the Mr. White scene. Oh, he's a good actor too. I know what you were talking. I really didn't know. I like the Mr. White scene. Yeah. I lost my brain. Uh, so funny how that new Mission Impossible trailer I know. It's almost beat for beat this movie.

It is? Yeah. There's even a guy and he's from a previous movies. He's like telling Ethan that he doesn't know what he's up against. Yeah. But I mean,

I love those Mission Impossible movies. The new ones. They're so good. You haven't seen them. They're up there with Casino Royale, the new ones. They're good. I put them up there with the best Roger Moore ones

because they're real fun. They're so fun. Yeah. Can you guys explain something to me? Certainly. Why was the pale king in exile? Oh, because he had gone against, he worked for Blofeld. And he had said, I don't want to do this anymore because you're killing women and children.

Like, I just want to do this, you know, kill spies and do all this stuff. He was involved in nefarious things, but he didn't want to kill women and children. And so Blowfeld basically said, if you're not in, then they poisoned him with this. radioactive cell phone battery poisoning. Where do you get the IV drip? I don't know. That's a great question. Wait, okay.

Sorry. When did he move to the chalet? And when did the poisoning happen? Dory needs the backstory. Yeah. They said a month or two ago, yeah. So Mr. White, right? This guy, Mr. White, is in Casino Real.

Okay. And Quantum. And Quantum of Salas. But he is essentially the guy who sets up the whole getting Vesper, torturing Vesper, getting her to work for Le Schief. He runs something called Quantum, which was originally basically just Spector, and I felt like that's what they were trying to do. But then it's like quantum is now a subsidy of Spector.

Yeah. Oh, I see. So then Casino Royale ends with James Bond shooting Mr. White in the knee and taking him into custody. Okay. Brings him into custody. And then Cuano Solis opens with a big car chase to get him into to see M

they get Mr. White, put him in a chair and then all of a sudden one of the MI6 agents is there and is actually working for Mr. White. And then you see quantum is everywhere, right? And then Mr.

And it's got one of the best M lines ever is she says, she says people everywhere. A lot of people just say that, but these people actually have people everywhere. It's like something to that effect. Yeah, that's pretty good.

And Mr. White, you don't see what happens to Mr. White, right? So he's gone for the rest of Quantum Solis, and then all of Skyfall he's gone. And then the next time we see him, he's dying. Okay, but it looks like he's been there for years. Oh, I think he's just in a dusty chalet. I would guess, honestly, I would guess timeline-wise, he's probably been there since Quantum of Salas. And what is this chalet and who set up that camera? He set up.

Well, he did, and I think that IV is chemo. He's probably, I think he's there. He's been there a couple months, but he's, he knows he's dying, so he doesn't care. He doesn't go upstairs much. Probably Postmates his food. I was curious about that staircase and how I would have liked to see him handle that. Well, I'm curious about that staircase too, because if you really look at it, is a clearly an aftermarket staircase that is like built. It's built like a Disney Castle staircase or something.

It's winding and wooden. And there's no sense to the logic of building it. than this should look creepy. It looked creepy, though. This is a house renovator Matt talking right of it. I love it, though. I love the way it looks. It's kind of diagonal and jagged.

Yeah, it's cool. It's like a dungeon staircase. So this is where he finds out that Madeline exists. And he says, I'll protect her. And don't you like this stuff? I love this. Yeah. So why aren't you in for the first two thirds of the movie?

Is this in the two thirds? Certainly. This feels like it's... Two thirds goes all the way up to... probably when they arrive at the desert. That's when the last step. So all the train. I got to apologize.

Okay. Because the first two-thirds of this movie are very enjoyable. Yes. I have to apologize. Because in my brain, the first two-thirds of this movie exists until he gets to Mr. White. Oh, no.

We're probably not even half-half hours long. That's true. So it's one of those, it feels like it's longer than it is. I have another question. Certainly. The, what is it, the quiet American? No, that's the right name.

Lamerican. Lamerican. Are we to assume that that secret room has just existed for an unknown amount of time with no one else discovery? This was my question. And how long has that room been there? I think what happens? Without people seeing it. Is that every time her parents would go there, they'd slam through.

that wall, use their secret room for a month or two, however long they're there, and then re-drywall when they left. I don't know. I think it's more likely because Quantum was so overarching and spreaded that they basically own that hotel. I think he owned that room. It's just a secret safe house that also fronts as a hotel in that room is never used for anyone else but then. Okay. That's why they could get in there so easily just dropping by. Yeah. Otherwise was there a young bridal couple in there? I think that's Mr. White's room. I think he owns that room. How do they know which room to ask for?

Because Madeline's been there. Oh, she was like, oh, this is the room they always had. Yeah. But she doesn't remember. She was never allowed in that area. I guess not. Oh, I think there was a secret door that they just couldn't find. Oh, I think there was a secret door that where he bursts through the wall.

When you see it from the reverse angle is actually there's a door frame there. And it's like maybe when he knew he was dead, he sealed it up or something. Okay. I'm into that idea. But how, we still don't know how long. long it has been since the last time someone was in that room. Well, we do a little bit because he has the Vesper-Lind tape. Yeah.

He has the Vesper-Lind interview tape, which is Eva Green from Casino-Reyo. His first and only love. And the amount of dust on that large computer would say it's been a few years. It's in the secret room. Oh, it's in the secret room. So you know that that room has been used. Or does that dust come from him busting through the wall? Mm-hmm.

But to get a dust expert on... I got one. How's your dust dar? It's not as good as my wig dar. Is your wig dar going off at all in this movie? No. Okay. I don't think there are really...

You couldn't identify a wig? Well, I'm just saying I don't think there are any. What about James Bond's brother? I was just going to say... Oh, no, absolutely real hair. That's not a wig. It's so blonde, though. He's blonde.

No, that's absolutely a real hair, real hair. 100%. I think it's possible Monica Balucci has some, like, extensions going on. She might be in. Yes. Those are extensions. I don't know when she takes out that little rubber band. But she's always had long hair.

Yeah. Yeah, but she's like, how old is she? 60? Yeah, she had some clippins. She's 50 in this, I think. Yeah, I think she had some clippins. Maybe. But those aren't wigs.

And I don't claim to know that. My expertise lies around the hair line. That's where I can tell. I see. Yeah. She is so beautiful. I love that scene when he, well, it is all, yeah. I like that scene too.

And it made me think of an idea for a future in-between episode. Because how do you guys feel about the way he says Bond James Bond in this? She says Mr. and he goes, Bond. And then pauses James Bond and kind of takes a bite out of her lip. We need to rank the Bond James Bond. Oh, that's great. I love this idea. Yeah.

This is a great idea. Write that down because we're always going to want to, we're always going to be like, what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. We might be have to do that this week. We don't know. That's right.

Okay, so Monica Baluci, by the way, I think she's gorgeous. And I liked having an age-appropriate person for James Bond finally. Yeah, that was great. And she's so, like, she's way sexier even than doctor. The Maddor's gone. Yeah, she could have been used certainly more in this film. Maybe she'll come back. Maybe, yeah.

Now, I've got to talk about James Bond's a... chalet outfit? Well, outfits in general we need to talk about. Before we even get to that, though, real quick, how do we feel about this discursory Vesper-Lind tape and they don't do anything with it? And I understand they're kind of making a point like Bonds, like I'm done with that.

I don't even want to see it. Yes. But there is something of like, I could have used another moment of him just kind of going. Well, I think it was to remind you because later in the movie, the whole thing of like everyone you love, I take away, everyone you love dies.

he's just now falling in love again with Dr. Madeline. Yeah. But I just wish there was some at least acknowledgement of like, I want to see this through for closure or now it's personal for me. You know, I don't know. There was just something missing from that revelation that there's a Vesperlin tape because that was that was everything. That's his entire motivation in these movies.

I think, yeah, I think a little bit. I think it maybe even just a longer, just a longer pause. Something. I'd love to see that tape. I mean, not because it's probably violent, but just I want to know more about that. Anyway, so sorry, go on because we have some questions about clothes. Well, I think I've said this before, and I'll say it again. My favorite outfit is the desert jacket at the station waiting for the Rose Royce.

That's my favorite outfit. I like her outfit there too. It's really cute. Those white slacks, I got to get a pair. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the thing we recognize was he basically, she is taken from. this spa. I noticed that too.

And then on their journeys, they change clothes three to four times. So they must have had a hell of a shopping trip somewhere in there. And I would love to see. Let's see that. Oh, yeah. She has like a gown on the train. Yeah. He's got three different outfits.

He's got a linen suit. I would love him to just like pull out the Universal Exports American Express and go. It's on me. Oh, God. Yeah. What a dream. I bet.

Because he shows up in Tangier with that amazing jacket, to that one I really liked. Yes, that is a great jacket. Yeah. But I don't like his ski chalet outfit. It's kind of goofy, the pants. With the boots being so big

and the pants being so tight. Well, they're definitely doing it on Her Majesty's Secret Service. I know. Nod there. I kind of, for some reason, I liked it. I like it too. It's very 60s ski.

It was goofy. The silhouette of the pants were kind of umpalumpa, but I still liked it. When they go camping and I love Lucy, Ricky has pants like that. He does. Yeah.

And he has that kind of like flannel plaid hunting cap that kind of just rests on top of his head. And then a little waistcoat jacket. It's pretty great. That's funny. But the, I don't like his sunglasses in that. Oh, those like ski sunglasses. Yeah, yeah. But letting no light in, I get it.

You don't want any reflection there. He turns to doors. Very practical. I have all of his glasses in these movies. You don't have the ski glasses, though? Oh, I'm wearing me. I smell a birthday gift. These are the ones he wears at the end of the movie.

These are his... As sunglasses? Desert. Yeah, they're sunglasses, but I popped out with the lenses and made them eye glasses. Oh, yeah, those are cool. Yeah. These are your Tom Ford Clubmaster rip-offs. Wow.

Anyway. Paul Oberhousers wearing Tom Ford's also. Did you call him Paul Oberhaus? Isn't that his name? Paul? Franz. Franz? Franz.

Paul Oberhous. I don't know. Wait, who's Paul Oberhous? Where did Paul overhauser? Where did Paul come from? I don't know. Why did it call Paul Overhouser? I don't know.

If you would ask me, I would have put a thousand dollars on the back when his name was Paul Oberhouser. Oh, God. Who's Paul? Paul. No idea. Is that a person? No. No. I'm sure it is somewhere.

We've had a lot of Pauls. We've had at least four Pauls on this show. Yeah, but that's not what it's coming from. Wow. Huh. I have to say I love her white dress. and her little matching white heels. It was very Vesperlin when she's going to get the money out.

So graceful. I loved that whole. I just want a little like silk wrap dress. Is that too much to ask? No, it's not. I think you should treat yourself. It's totally like $4,000 though, that dress. Well, I'm sure it is.

My father-in-law is into textiles. Could you please? If you need me to get you a nice ream of silk. Yeah, I'm sure I could sew that together in a day. I wanted that dinner jacket, of course. let's just talk about it because you're here finally, honey. We got married before. Oh, here we go.

For Matt and Amanda. Before we were at the Vows of the Marties. I'm sorry, Dory. You know, I said to you, honey, I would really just be delighted if you would let me wear a white dinner jacket with a red carnation at the reception. I wasn't even going to wear it at the ceremony. I was just at the reception I was going to change into a and she says to me, no, why do you want to wear that?

And I was like, because it's very classic James Bond, he does it in Goldfinger, he does it, I didn't know he had done an inspector yet because it wasn't out. But we, she says, no, you're not cosplay at my wedding. I say, fair enough. See, the mistake you made is I started with, I want to dress like a stormtrooper at her wedding.

No, and then he took it down. He does have a full stormtrooper suit. That's the smart. That's the smart move. So anyway, let's just now, we get to the beautiful mid-California wedding of Matt and Amanda. And, you know, we're sitting outside. It's a breezy, beautiful day. The sun is shining.

It was freezing. It was freezing. It was freezing. It was horrible. Guys, I'm painting a picture for the audience. It was chilly, but it was so chilly. I love chili. It rained for a second.

Yeah, but that's good luck on a wedding. Yes. Oh, that's true. So, you know, we had a... But the setting was... Oh. It was... It was...

It was... It was... The majesty of it all. Majesty. Yeah. Yeah. So it was beautiful. And we're sitting there

and, of course, you know, first out of the gate, we got... We got Matt. Matt comes up and I look. Let's see. Oh, my God. Honey, that motherfucker is

Is wearing what I wanted to wear. Wait, Matt, had you, you hadn't told him that you were going to wear a white kid? No, I don't think you had told. I don't think we had discussed that you were going to wear it. I know we've had the discussion about that jacket many times, but not that you were actually going to wear it. I guess probably because we hadn't done the podcast for a while up to that point. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, because you staged that photo to say that it was coming back. That's right. We staged a photo at your reception. When we got all my all-up. our wedding photos back. That was like the last one. It was like all of our gorgeous wedding photos of Matt and I. And then it was like mad and Matt.

I showed the wedding photographer was like, I guess I'll just put this one in. Yeah, sure. I told her that when we did. I said, I need this for promotion for this podcast. Yeah. But you're wearing it and I was very jealous. And it was hilariously, I said it to you. And then I, when I posted a picture of the two of you on Instagram, the fourth person

comment and said, oh, looks like Matt got to wear it. Then the fifth, then the sixth, then the sixth. I didn't know I was allowed to say no. And also, it was never, I loved how it looked, but also it was never pitched to me as like a James Bond thing. It was just, I'm going to wear a white duna jacket. And I did, I was like, great. Because the honest truth is that I liked the look.

And I actually would not choose to, like, as you know, I'm not the type that's like, I'm going to dress like James Bond or anything. I just really like that look. It was circumstantial. probably the reason I liked it was because of Bond and Temple of Doom, but I just really did like the look. Did any, am I the only one here that watches the real housewives? I have watched it.

I'm not current on it, though. So in one of the Beverly Hills episodes, this one of the housewives throws her husband, who's British, a 0040 birthday party, which I did. You didn't tell me that. Amazing. And she, it's, um, it's so insane. They get a yacht. I bet you it's like their take on it is probably all.

Well, honestly, it wasn't like too far off from what I did for your 40th birthday. I mean, it was, it's anytime you're going to do like a James Bond birthday, it's kind of cheesy. You know, they had like the rented casino tables. And I mean, it was, they were on a yacht and they did take a helicopter to another yacht and then a speedboat to the yacht where the party was. Oh my God. So in that way, it was. What? It was a three yacht party.

Yes. It was a little bit elevated. I would have been motion sick by the time my party started. It was a, it was a Lansian air party. You had to travel. Yeah. I want to see this episode. this is finally we could watch this year. Oh, are you 35 this year? Yeah.

Should we do that? Matt did it. No, you could do it. It's not like Matt has a monopoly on the James No, nor I would love to go to one. Are you kidding? Please do it. Please do it. Oh, I can wear my gold jumpsuit again. I can wear my wedding outfit. We should do it. No, he gets to wear your wedding outfit. No, you know what that's true. That would honestly be my excuse to finally buy the gray skyfall suit. Oh, nice. The Tom Ford skyfall suit. You should get a boat definitely in through. No, we're not doing a boat. And also, by the way, I would.

Oh, I would. Oh, man. Wouldn't it be fun to do a full on holdem tournament for my birthday? Oh, yeah. We could all dress as the casino royale like characters. Let's do it. That would be so fun. You guys are definitely in my name.

I'll be La Chiefe. This is five years from now. We could be 300 episodes into this podcast. Why don't we just do it this year for 35th? Yeah. Why don't you? It's a milestone birthday. Right, right.

But it's my third. Well, I think I think I'll be a Star Trek convention. So it doesn't have to be like on your birthday. Oh, it doesn't have to be on. That's true. You don't want to waste your birthday on something nerdy. It's in Vegas. You want to do James Bond.

That's right. That's right. All right. All right. Let's discuss. Let's figure this out. Maybe we can get Matt to finally attend a birthday party for James Bond theme. That is not his.

I would love it. I would love it. Okay. Back into this movie. Do you know one of the other? This movie really loses me is the damn sequence where he takes the ring and is able to assess on his laptop every arch villain. And so all of those villains have touched this ring. Does that mean like when they give someone a ring, it goes around the circle and everybody touches it?

It's like the vice rings. Yeah. Do you know about the vice rings? What am I thinking of? No, vice. Like the vice news, vice whatever. The company. They have rings.

What? Yeah. What is I thinking of? made man at vice they give you a gold ring with a vice logo god oh wow yeah why how are they simultaneously doing some pretty cutting edge investigative journalism and they're also a cult god damn there's a lot going on over there it's really a fascinating place but um yeah it is the DNA fragmentation on with and and by the way only specifically them I feel like you'd get like 14 other people in the database that would show up.

It also implies that one of them was the jeweler that made that thing. Wow, you guys are really poking holes in this hole. What if one of them was? Who would it be? Who's most likely? It's got to be green. I feel like Le Schiff has the patience. Oh, I feel like it's green.

I got to look something up while you guys are talking about this. Okay, so. But I do like, okay, so I guess we're, Sort of at the train now. Okay. Yeah, the train's all good. I love the train. The train was great.

I love how it looks. Did you like the Bond trying to show her how to use a gun? Yeah, and then she's like, and it's like, oh, she knows. But also what I like about it, too, is she's a gun, she's a gun safety advocate to the end because she just, even though she empties the chamber, she still shoots it up in the air and not at James Bond. Yeah.

She knows what she's doing. Gun safety. Well, she's Mr. White's dog. Of course. Now here's my question. When she talks about the 9mm by the bleach in their house, when someone came to kill Mr. White, are we to understand that that was Blofeld that came to kill her? It must be because why... It came to kill him.

It's confusing. Follow up to that. She pulled the trigger. She shot White? I mean, she shot Blofeld, rather? That's what... It seems like otherwise, why would they have Blofeld say that at the end? like I've been to your house. It's too coincidental. So I think that's what they're implying. They're implying, yeah.

It's not clear. This guy's everywhere. Here's my new James Bond. Here's my title for this movie. Everywhere and nowhere. Yeah. Also, who is her mom? That's a good question.

Yeah, we don't know. She's out there somewhere. Yeah. She's living. And I mean, is she though? She must know so much. Is it the belucci of it all? That's what I'm saying.

Once the divorce comes. Because why else the mom must be in hiding if Madeline is she's got to to be in hiding. Yeah. So either she's in hiding or she's probably dead or she may have died a long,

long time ago. That's true. Yeah, we don't know. Growing up though, the daughter of an assassin, I do, this is sort of, it actually clicked in my head this time

watching the movie of the connection that Madeline and James must have, really, because she really is the only person that can sort of understand. He's her new daddy. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, dear. Sorry. She says she doesn't have daddy issues. I mean, it is kind of like, you know, she wants, she's going to get

the love from James that she didn't get from her father. Yeah. I don't know. That's interesting. Yeah. But she had the love from her father. Yeah, I mean, we see the pictures at the American. Yeah.

We had a couple photos of her. I like, I wonder if those were real photos because the one where she's like a bad teen, like lounging on the bed and you see her midriff. That's got to be. I'm, I'm Googling what she says when she's in the bed to liars and killers everywhere. And there doesn't seem to be any consensus what that's from. Lires and killers.

Because someone here says it. But I don't know that she did get the love from her father that she needed because he continued to work with them until she was an adult, you know, and then took himself out of the race. But I think she was neglected a little bit. Probably. Yeah. But I think he would show up every so often to take her on shopping sprees. Yeah, probably. Yeah. For silk dresses and whatnot. I like that dress is very beautiful. Beautiful. Yeah. She's got, uh, it fits her very nice. Yeah, she's got a great figure. I like that she's not a stick. You know, she has a little bit of curves. Oh yeah. I'm into the curves too, Amanda. Yeah. I'm into it. I'm loving it. Matt and I really,

curve guys. We're big sea heads. Oh, no. We're looking, Mac Gwrelli, you're looking so confused at your notes. I can't read one of my notes. I don't know. P.A.

P.A. P.A. Pau. Paul. Overhauser. Paul Overhawer. Pau power wheels? Active.

Pause. Article. Oh, got it. All right. Phil's article. already said it. Yeah. Okay.

Good. Got on the time. Sorry. Sorry. Okay. I like the idea of this villain layer, but this is really where it falls apart. What it becomes. Okay.

The torture sequence. This is where my notes started. Here we go. Ready? Yeah. Here's my questions. I have some questions for the end here. Why send Hinks to kill James Bond if your ultimate goal is to get James Bond to

your layer. Yeah. Okay. That's question number one. That's anyone. Is the goal to kill him at the layer or if they had killed him earlier, that would have been cool too. Maybe that would have been cool too. Also, maybe Hinks went rogue. Oh, maybe Hinks went out for revenge. Hinks's

original mission is to kill the pale king, not to kill Bond. Yeah. And he gets the pale king and he's already dead. Yeah. But then shouldn't he be like... Job finished. Oh, but then he sees the camera. And he's actually... So he knows Bond has been there. Just going to get

Madeline Swan as a loose end and he's actually just fighting Bond because he's just trying to get Madeline Swan. I don't buy it. No, it's true

because he's able to watch that video footage. Yes, I know that. And he knows that there's another loose end. He's got to go get her because he shows up at the clinic. But they know,

I guarantee you it's in the Spector dossiers that there's a daughter. Well, it doesn't matter because he, eventually goes to the clinic literally to kidnap her. That's what he's trying to do. But he followed James there.

Kidnapping her, not killing her? Well, they had that needle. I also liked when she put that needle in that. Oh, I like that too. I like that too. But what was that needle for?

But we also don't know that he's trying to kill Bond. He may just be trying to capture him on the train. Capture him. He seemed pretty intent on killing him. Yeah, he was going to throw him out of that train. Okay. Here's a couple questions I have for the end of this movie. How does everyone working on the computers know when to stand up in unison?

I thought it had been rehearsed. Like when I turned the lights down, everyone stand. I thought it was he's on his tablet, basically sending out a company-wide memo. Please stand now. They're all on Slack. Yeah. And then like I love the moment where Bond, so like he's yelling at him, Madeline, don't look at it, don't watch, look at me.

First time I actually noticed that she does actually listen to him and is looking at him. I liked that. The gun goes off. You didn't notice that the first time you saw it? I guess I really sort of absorbed it. It didn't hit you. Yeah, it didn't hit me like a bullet through the brain. But the, I feel like there was an actual moment before Bond got there of Blofeld saying,

Okay. When I As soon as I say the word beauty Cold cock him But not before I'm gonna say this thing It's gonna end with beauty.

No? No? Okay. I'm gonna say beauty. Now! Yes! So just, see, he's gonna be by you, okay? Uh-huh.

And I'm gonna give this long speech. All right, and I might, I'm gonna say a lot of different words. But it's the second, The second I say beaute. No! Yes! Thank you, Paul.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You're very welcome. Yeah, I mean, that is, watch that movie again, and it's just, that's insane. It is ridiculous when they all stand up. I mean, it, yeah, it is. Yes. It's so weird.

It is hard these days to believe there is a giant army of people working for a rogue villain that somehow there are never any leaks or anything like these people are just um have you read about russia hello i know that's true there was that whole there there there was like a whole secret building an organization of like hackers and disinformation people but we know about it we know about it now but we didn't know about it at the time yeah he also probably just drilled into their brains and hypnotized them oh that's probably exactly what he did maybe yeah now here's my follow-up question now Do you think that it was, do you think it was that guy, the cold cocking guy?

Now. Yes. Yes. Or do you think it was the guy who offers champagne? I like that guy. Okay. Do you think it was him who was in charge of choosing everybody's headshot with a big photo of it?

Definitely. Definitely. That's his guy Friday or whatever, his man Friday. He does everything. He's with him in the helicopter at the end. Poor guy dies. I like that guy. I feel like I would have played that part if I was in this movie.

Those little headshots at the end are just ridiculous. I mean, it's like, now they're like, okay, so here's what we have to do. Sorry, thank you, by the way, for being my cold-cocking guy, but here's now what I need everybody to do. We're going to go to London. We're going into the old MI6 building, and we need to restore power to the shooting range only. But this is only after the destruction of our entire layer.

What the happen is the layer that we're in right now is going to be destroyed. No, this, this, that whole MI6 thing was planned after the destruction of the layer as a sort of like, we got to do something. That was not the ultimate plan. How? How did they do that? They were thinking on the fly. I feel like art department got like five minute notice to print those things and they were, like,

they were like being printed in a trailer like right before they put the seat. Right. But I think that works because that's what Blowfeld and his gang are doing. Like, we don't have time to paint a. portrait. And then why is Madeline tied up with all those red wires? Those are the detonation cables. She's going to be blown up.

She's going to be blown up. I know, but then he gets her out so fast. Well, I mean, he has a pocket bag. He cuts them. Okay. Yeah. They're not like wires that like if you cut the red wire, the whole thing blows. They're just debt cord.

Like, they're just going to blow up. Okay, I'll have to read up on debt cords. Yeah. I got some pamphlets. I have a bunch of pamphlets on cold cocking and debt cords. Yeah, I mean, this is unquestionably where this movie really falls apart. This is the, this is, okay, so Scooby Gang, I enjoy it, right? We're all.

Hildebrand rarities, come on. Come on. That's so good. It's a little love letter to people like Matt and I. Yeah. It's a safe house that not even Tanner knows about. Honey, you feel, I feel like we're losing you here. No, no, you're not losing me.

We're real close, guys. We're real close. We're finishing up here. Now, the Bringing it back to that MI6 building I just the whole thing I guess my biggest

Problem Who wired that building to blow Well that's already been done That's been done Because they're going to detonate it Right So essentially they just found more cord And tied it around Madeline

Or just took some that's already been there Sure And I guess Putting James Bond Why put James Bond's face on all the things in the shooting. It's so goofy. It's so goofy.

In many ways, that is the goofiest part of that plan. I get it. I mean, he's fucking with him. He wants to torture him. But it's not that scary. It feels like something I would think of for something I'm writing and then be like, no. You're probably right, because they were judging by these, the stuff I'm reading, they are so down to the wire that they probably had this idea and then just like, that's it. We don't have any more time.

We got to do this. Because it's something you put it in. And then you're like, yeah, but I'll make it better. And then like they just didn't because they could have done something scarier. I don't know. Yeah, there's a lot of that. Even it's strange to see studio notes making more sense than the script writers themselves. They're like, there's no real emotional heft to this.

Where's the twist? There's, it's not really that resonant to see him in MI6 with these pictures. And if you're saying that this guy's his brother, isn't there something else? Like some secret we should learn about James Bond or like something with the father who raised him? Like something scarier and more personal and higher stakes. than just like your face on these figures and then little printouts of

These are the faces of other people Yeah I clearly didn't work for Christoph Waltz because he's not coming back You know He's not? Maybe now with the Danny Boyle thing That changes, who knows But that was before

Oh yeah Yeah Yeah he said he's not coming back to play Blowfeld Why? He just didn't have a good time He didn't like it He didn't like how it turned out Oh, he's right.

He didn't like his wig. He didn't have a wig. Oh, Colin, your wig, dog. All of that being said, I still like the ending where he walks off with Madeline. That's good. I like that as well. I love him being put in that truck, that truck, and then coming out of that truck and just killing the two guys.

Oh, yeah, with the hood on. Yeah. Removing his hood and going in. I enjoyed that. Watch it again. If you catch the boat on the Thames, they're driving away from the MI6. The unnatural filming light source coming off the dashboard of the boat is so alarming.

This is a Mloft. This is a MLAF. This is a MLAF. This is a MRA's lookout for this. Look out for the light coming off the dashboard to light their faces so that MISC people can see who's driving the boat. I see. Yeah, helicopter crash. I like how good of a shot James is in this movie. It's very octopus.

he like, as I discussed last time we did a movie when he was just really great at shooting an octopus pussy. Like, go back and watch Octopussy again, man. I know I don't have to ask you to, but... You don't. It's also worth mentioning in the corrections department that the plane thing is cleared up. If you put that

fin down, it lifts the tail, which points the plane downwards. That's why the plane goes down. If you lower the flap in the rear. So it does cause lift, but it's lifting the tail, which points the plane down, which makes a plan go down.

Someone explained it very well. Thank you. Sorry, this was something we were struggling with before. We struggle a lot, honey. All right. So should we rate this film? I guess so do you have any final thoughts on Specter?

Let me consult my notes. Thank you. I told her that we were taking notes. Yeah, we had some... About 95% of the way through the movie. I do like some of the repartee in the end between M and C. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Let's talk about that scene. When C says M stands for moron. And then M says, now we know what C stands for, careless. Shouldn't they have taken out careless? And I think that undercuts the joke. It does undercut it, but it's also like joyful that M won't go there. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, that's true.

Because you don't want him to be a bad, like super badass, like James Bond. Did you have any desire for him after he reveals he has the bullets to say, I know where you keep your gun as a nod, but that's probably too neat. I also feel bad that M didn't get the chance to kill him. He kind of did. He seems like he should have had him pull the trigger. He's too far away to like save him or anything.

And he falls just because of the... He falls because they're struggling. The glass shatters. No, because they're struggling. And he just kind of steps away from him. To get away from what? I forget. I was watching it last night.

I think he basically lets him die. Yeah. Hmm. Hmm. I love Tanner coming over and saying he's dead. There's also another exchange and I didn't write down who says it. But someone says then I'm going to bring you in. I think Bond says that I'm going to bring you in.

And then someone else says on what grounds. And he says poor taste in friends. Oh, that's M. Oh, that's a C. Saying it to C. Yeah. They have a good, they have a good back and forth. Yeah.

That's a good scene. Yeah. It is weird that he has a gun at his desk. Is it weird, though? It's not weird because he knows he's doing some shady stuff. Yeah, I guess so. And also, when are we all going to learn not to keep our guns in our top drawers? I keep it right on my...

Yeah, it's in a glass case. That's smart. Okay, yeah. So what we do is we rate these films. You know who would have been great as C? Sorry to get back to that. Robinson. the black guy?

Yeah. From the Brosman movies? Yeah, he would have been good. Like to bring him in as Robinson and now he's taking over? Yeah, he's been like promoted. Yeah. Anyway. I have to say I'm unsure about Madeline Swan's dress at the villain's layer.

Well, that's kind of nice, right? Because she didn't pick it out. Isn't it a slip? Isn't it? Doesn't it cover her slip? Oh, I don't know. I understand the villain bought that for her. However, I just am unsure about the choice.

Do you know, there's a segment. in the original draft when Irma Bunt was his sidekick and there's a little section of the script that says, here's your dress. And she goes, something like, how do you know what size it is? And she goes, something like I can tell a woman's body or something like that. So she kind of like is looking her up and down and sized her up. Oh, yeah, that's interesting. Yeah.

Because it feels like that dress was just like kind of an interesting dress, but it wasn't like, like, oh, you know, sometimes you might think, oh, he picked out something that's like really revealing or put her in something. odd, but it just was kind of like, oh, I don't know, like a dress I would see like someone wearing to like a cocktail party in Orange County. That's why it makes me think it's his little like nerdy sidekick guy that picked it out for her. He doesn't really understand. I thought it was like the height of couture.

My wife told me you'd like this. She would like this. Anyway, I don't know. I just, I don't like that dress that much. Okay. All right. So we rate this film from three zeros to 007, 007 being best. We should call the segment where we talk about clothes.

closing closing thoughts clothing thoughts yeah nope we shouldn't do that no we should we should all right who would like to go first with their rating double triple zero is the worst you've ever seen 007 that's a wait so what's in between

any number 301 2 3.5 oh I see okay like the mid range sure I go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go 005.

Wow. Yeah. Because I really like the train scene. I really like the doctor. Yeah. And I think it has some really good. I love Daniel Craig. So if Casino Royale is a 007 for me, this is a 005.

Okay. Wow. Interesting. I'm going to go 004. Interesting. That's fair too. Matt. I'm doubting myself a little here.

I'm going to 003 on this movie. I was going to do 002.5, but I think it's fair to say I, I We'll join you there. I do 003. Double three. It's a little worse than average. Yeah. For us.

Yeah. But entirely watchable. That's right. As are all the worst James Bond movies. It is still the one I put on to test like home theater speakers or whatever. That opening sequence is pretty. I like an Apollo 13 launch. I know you do.

Yeah. So we now just have to pick the next film. This is your choice. I chose Spector. what would you like to do? Well, buckle up, Matt, because we are taking a journey. We're taking a journey to the new millennium. Wait, new millennium.

Yeah, that's right. With the James Bond movie, that was for the new century, 1999 into 2000. That's right. The world is not enough. You tricked me last time by saying we did it already. We already, we've done it. And I believe you.

We've done it. Why are we doing it twice? Buckle up, buddy. We are watching Pierce Brothers. President's greatest performance in a dive. The world is not enough. We really, this is where we really see M. Take it to a whole new level as a character.

There you have it. Also, a bit of an announcement. The great knick-knack Tabasco t-shirts should be available, I believe, Monday on Podswag.com by our friend of the show, Ibrahim Mustafa, who did us a great, great drawing. You're going to love these. Check them out. If you have always wanted to wear Harvey Ville

as on your shirt. And I know you have. Frankly, now you can. Amanda, Dory, thank you so much A for doing this, but for being our wives despite all of this.

It's so true. You're so welcome. My pleasure. Do you guys have anything you'd like us to change about ourselves? Now's the time. This is your last and only time.

No, you're both perfect. Okay. Wow, thank you. Dory, you may now speak. I agree. Anything you want to promote? Amanda, would you like to pump up to James? Check out the big ones.

That's right. My podcast with fellow Casino Royale lover, Maria Blasucci. I think we're going to try to do a crossover sometime where we take a dilemma from one of the Bond movies, talk about it on there. For instance, we talked about doing the self-romance thing, but maybe the Vesperlind conundrum is a good thing. What do you do if you're Vesperlind? I know. That's so hard. Yeah, we discuss some.

Big moral quandries and personal dilemmas. Yeah, we should do the Ves Berlin and we could do it, release it in both feeds. Perfect. Oh, I like that. We've done that. A double hitter. And Dory has a podcast. I do.

I have a new podcast called Forever 35. That's all about self-care. I do it with my friend Kate Spencer. I don't know what her opinion is on Casino Royale. But I will ask. Assume she loves it. Okay. We tried.

I would love to get you in Kana at the same time. I know. And really like, if we could, we could do a big, we could do a big roundtable. A crossover of like James Bond's skin care. Oh.

You could do like a men's skincare episode and cross it over with. Totally. I would love that. They have men's clone or like, yeah, we talk a lot about, we talk about skin care. We talk about nutrition.

We just, we, I talk about cleaning out my office. It's, it's really about self-care. How do you guys feel about self-rope? Do you think it would ever be okay to just take a gondola ride by yourself? Oh, I thought you were going to, I thought you were talking about masturbation.

No, no, no, no. It's very similar. Yes, we, yes. I agree. A gondola ride by yourself, just any, anything by yourself, I think is, I agree, I agree. Matt, you don't agree? Listen, we'll talk about it eventually. And, you know, Matt and I also have a podcast.

That's true. Matt and Dore's excellent adventure. You want to hear my wife and I every week going through the hell that is IVF, well, buckle up because there's a podcast. God bless. you guys. Thank you. Yeah.

Yeah, that's it. That's all I got. Great. Margo, do you have anything? She's out there. She's got a lot. Well, thanks, ladies, and thanks, Matt and James Bonding.

We'll return. No, I actually like this one. You like the world. It's not enough? I'll watch that with you. I like all the brazen. It's some real camera. Yeah, Dorian.

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