James Bonding - The Living Daylights with Daniel Michicoff, Jeff Crocker, and Matt Maust

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

Matt and Matt scare The Living Daylights out of each other. Daniel Michicoff, Jeff Crocker, and Matt Maust join the Matts for Timothy Dalton's debut as Bond. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Matt and Matt and James Bondi Podcasts. Cheers, fellas. Hey, cheers. And welcome to James Bonding. Yeah, thanks. Happy to be here. Cheers. Cheers.

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and I think they look better in person, to be honest. Ooh, that's quite an endorsement. This is a quality endorsement. I'm being honest. Who are these people endorsing these gifts? Well, it's time to meet them. In fact, just before this podcast recording, well, the old band was getting back together.

I used to be in a band called Townland, and we're playing a little again. Who knows where this will go? But Jeff Crocker from Super Ego's here. Hello. Daniel Michikoff from the Tijuana Panthers is here. Hello.

And just for fun, we've got Matt Moused from the Cold War Kids. Yo. All fans of the Living Daylights, which is our subject for this evening. Oh, nice. It's the, I would say, pinnacle of Timothy Dolphin's career. Because he's only got two peaks. He's got a beginning and end. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. I mean, he's got this and hot fuzz. Can I say something? Not too long ago, I went to IKEA here in Burbank with my girlfriend, Michelle. and she came running up to me because she went ahead and she was in the lamb section and she said,

I just saw, I just saw, I saw James Bond and I thought, Daniel Craig's in IKEA? This is amazing. Unlikely, but I'm on board. Yeah.

It was like, that's, can't, so I was having a hard time processing that. He was getting furnishings for a Specter apartment. And then,

so my second thought, as when she said no, was Pierce Brosnan. I think that's the same trend, the same, Sure. There was two. No,

order I would go. And then she said, no, no, what's his name? Penny Dreadful. And I went, no. And I ran to the lamp section. The lamp section. He was talking to his wife and his glasses were at the tip of his nose. Like you would imagine them to be.

And he was talking very eloquently about the lamps. And Michelle, my girlfriend, said that at one point, because I don't know if she was staring her, but they connected. And I have actually. connected with two bonds and seen a third. I've seen three bonds in real life. Who? I saw Daniel Craig at IKEA. Wait, what? And connected to them. Not Daniel Craig's Sorry. Timothy Dalton. Tim Dalton. Tim Ditton. Timmy. I saw Pierce Brasin at Disneyland and I I connect. Oh my god. That's the happiest day of my life. Full beard. Great too.

It's really great. He's got gray hair right. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and, uh, and, uh, Tijuana Panthers were invited to a YSL show at the Palladium. And Daniel Craig was sitting right across from me. I don't think I knew this. I think I sent you a picture. I like, yeah, he was sitting right across from me just for, because I don't know why I had front row seats at this fashion show. I'm not a person that should be. Wait, when you say YSL, you mean Yves Saint Laurent?

Yeah. Well, I was going to joke that you meant that. No, well, he, he, uh, what's his name? I don't even know his name. Tom Ford. Hedy. No. Hedy Lamar.

Hedley. No. Anyways, it was his last show and he was really into the Burger Records bands and he liked to just kind of grungy people hanging around. Wow. So two more sightings and you get Bingo Bondo. Absolutely. Because you get a free one in the middle.

I get to be in the next movie, I think. If you make eye contact with every James Bond, we'll send you a Canadian. A tanga balloon shirt. Well, do your bond, eye contact, scavenger hunt, go.

Roger Moore is going to be tough. Yeah, well, that's why it's a great giveaway. We don't have to lose that much merch. Well, we're here tonight to celebrate the life of Timothy Dalton in the living daylights.

Guys, what's your first experience? Matt, you were saying that this is your first bond in the theater? Yeah, my dad took me, my brother to see it. I probably,

I mean, I'm guessing I was 10. What year did it come out? 87, I think. So I was even younger. I was born in 79, so I was... I can't even do the math on that. You're not required here.

And I remember my biggest memory was... Well, I remember seeing in the theater, full price, which is not like my dad. You mean like at night? Yeah, it wasn't a matinee. We went at night. I think my mom even went. We all went.

We were rolling a bond films. I'd already seen a couple, like, on VHS. Did your dad spring for concessions? We might have snuck in some hot dogs. Okay. That's the kind of background I have. That's about right. And I'm not lying either.

But, you know, brought our own Coke soon. But I remember, I was really into the wonder years at the time, too. And I was like, to my brother was like, she looks like Karen. Yeah. And she's the sister. Yeah. And still looking for a t-shirt with her on and I'd like to wear. She's like my favorite.

That was said in a menacing tone. That's true. Did you ever see the. doc she did about bond girls. Oh yeah. She made a documentary about Bonn Girls. She made a... She interviewed a lot of Bond Girls herself. Oh, cool. It's worth a watch. It is.

Yeah. I'm interested to hear more about that because I had some thoughts about this. We'll get into it later. Okay. The idea of feminism, you know, they were pushing for it in the 80s and I think they just kind of miss. They did what they could

at the time, it seems. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not making excuses for it. It's They did make a step forward in a sense because they tried to make a monogamous. It was a very specific part where it's like, I think they're making a point. It could go either way, but it's like, it's just not. I don't think their names are filthy in this one either. No. And there's only some mild sexual assault.

Which for a James Bond movie is amazing that they got away with love. That's no small feat. It's a great leap. Jeff, what's your first experience with this film? With this film 23 hours ago. No way. You've never seen it? I never seen it. How nice that must have been.

But I do, having only seen License to Kill, I really like the Timothy Dalton Bonds quite a bit. Yeah, if License to Kill, which is your first one and you go to this, that's probably a step up, I would imagine. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, but I didn't want to answer for him. No, but I mean, we have to know. Yeah, you got to know, right?

Super fun. It's a fun, ridiculous Bond movie with a lot of things I expected and a lot I didn't. I got to say, and we'll probably save this for when we give our rating between 0 and 007. That's how we rate our films here on this program. I enjoyed this even more than the last time I watched it. I liked it. I was pretty high in my esteem last time. It came up a level for me too.

I really had a good afternoon. today. I just really enjoyed the... That was sudden a menacing tone. I enjoyed the twists and turns. I think that this one has a great plot, like a good espionage story. Yeah. And when you actually pay attention, which I don't always do to the plots in these movies, understood. This one actually, I think, does basically hold up. And it's got some almost some John LaCarray. I might be saying that just because I'm getting into that

guy, but it's the closest to that. I found that I was noting more than anything that the concepts behind a lot of the stuff happening in this movie was great if the execution wasn't perfect. So a lot of the stunts, I really appreciated the concepts behind, like the ideas behind them, even though they weren't necessarily executed perfectly. Well, now you got to love this and we'll get to it when we get to this part in the movie, but the bridge explosion at the end is all foreground management. Oh, yeah, it's great. With live action in the back.

But at that point, there's been so many weird planes and tanks and horses and ladies and Mujahideen That you're sort of like Oh, miniature's great All right What else? That was said with a medicine tone Yeah

We all get one Who am I rooting for? I didn't know at the end I know I know That is the one problem With this movie We'll get to as well

My first note on this film Is let's do this Well it opens with One of your favorite cold opens Yeah that's true It's in the upper 25% Can we back up Real quick

Yeah Even further To the beginning to Timothy Dalton's weird ass, I definitely don't have a gun walk into the beginning of the movie. Yeah, because it's probably already in his hand, right? Oh. Is it? Have you guys

rated those yet? Who's got the best Bond walk? Stay tuned. We have a lot of podcasts to do and a lot of things to rape. Because I got to say, Timothy Dalton's not that great. His turn and shoot, I don't find it very menacing. Nor do I find it particularly efficient. I can't. It's a big swing out.

Oh, yeah. It's a big swing out. And that guys swinging one arm only. He seems like you can see the gun coming a mile away. Terrible spy. I was talking about this earlier than that. He seems very classically trained in theater and Shakespeare and dance or something. Like his walk feels like he's, he's, every step is specific. He is.

He definitely is. In fact, a great film to check out is The Lion and Winter with Peter O'Toole and Catherine Hepburn. And he plays this young French Prince Philip. And he's like, got to be like 20 in it or something. thing and it's really funny to see him in that thing playing kind of a stodgy prince oh cool it's like a regal prince um all right so this this opening sequence that shot when they all jump out of that cargo plane the three of them and they kind of like the choreography of the way they unfold their bodies and then all end up head down yeah that that gets me going it's awesome you know what like i feel like

that's totally ruined by the fact that i feel like amy M would not have loose papers in the back of his cargo bag for some well-placed paperways. I also got to say, can you really not be away from your desk for however long this flight is? I understand that you're in charge of M-I-Sin-Sage. Imagine how his wife fills. If he's bringing that work in the airplane, imagine what he brings home. Their bed is full of their bed is a desk. It is ridiculous.

Yeah. But there's something so visually satisfying with those three men coming out and it's like, you know, like a shuttlecock like in badminton? sure do. How no matter which way you hit it, it always kind of like noses down. I don't know. There's something about that that satisfies me, like how I imagine some people like to listen to people whisper on YouTube.

Is that a thing? Yeah, or ASMR or tap their nails. Yeah. Or like chew bananas. It's like a, wait, therapy. What?

Yeah. People have like trigger words that they want people to whisper. We talked about this on pistol strengths radio last night, but some people just do, I'm doing an unboxing video, but I'm doing it at this line. Yeah. This is a Sony AR-10 Walkman.

Are they doing that because they are doing it. It's a whole subculture. People are really like to hear you. What if our numbers go through the roof now. We're going to get a whole new demographic. But I don't know this, but is there some kind of sexual fetish to this too? I have been explained recently that it's not weird. By someone who likes it?

Yeah. Well, that tells you. Anyone who likes anything will explain it to you by saying it's not weird. Right, but I'm not going to say this back to anyway. I don't know. I guess there's so many people that it is somewhat normal. This is the problem with the internet. I'm going to say it right now, everybody.

You all thought you were weird and didn't talk about your thing because you didn't know anybody else who was like you. You're still weird. Doesn't matter that you found 8,000 people like you. You know what's weird? Being normal. Yeah, wait, what? Norm Corps, right, boys?

That's right, boys. Absolutely. All right. Okay, so they're parachuting to the rock of Gibraltar. Yeah. For a training exercise. Also, first, even the opening shot after the gun barrel sequence that Iris is out on this, like, beach with Belgian Gate barricades. It's incredible.

It looks like a war zone, and you see the rock of Gibraltar in the background. Do we know it's a training exercise? Did I miss that, right? No, at the beginning, he does say it's a training exercise. It feels timeless, too. Doesn't it feel like it could be... It feels like the 60s, but it's also... It feels like the opening of an Indiana Jones movie

where sort of the Paramount Mountain fades away. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Were you going to say that? Oh, yeah, Matt. I think I was just going to agree with the timelessness. I noticed something that I've never noticed before, and I may be making this up.

Is this a gloft? No. It's not a gloft. Okay. All right. The way that they reveal the three double-oes that are doing this thing, goes from like goofy looking to almost bond to bond.

And it does feel like they're leading up like giving you taste of like here's this almost Monty Python-faced guy. Yeah. He looks like one of the guys that, it looks like Terry Gilliam and Holy Grail with the coconuts. He's got this weird mouth. Yeah. And then they go to this guy who almost could be Bond. Yeah.

Not bad looking himself. Yeah. But then when you see Dalton for the first time and they zoom in on him and he turns around. Yeah. Come on. How could you not like that? Put him. Yeah, that's the wink, wink, wink, nudge of Covey Rockley.

He's like, why don't we put the ugly ones in? And they'll see what a good job I've done. I'm going to make pasta later for everybody. Have you got... Sorry, I know you don't do... I know you and Ian Fleming are in the same room at the same time. You never met the man. But as Ian Fleming talked with broccoli, Carly Rockley?

Well, I just debuted my broccoli impression just now. But that's weird that you stepped out of the room just now. Oh, yeah, well, I mean, wait, Covey Rockley's dead, guys. understand why you well so is Ian Fleming then he I never would really see him right now where was cubby broccoli I don't understand I just left for a second oh he came in here that is crazy no he was here I mean there's this is I'm wondering if because he was here I was wondering if he he left so fast I was gonna ask him have you talked with Ian Fleming him Matt where are you going hey yeah how you doing hey oh it's come oh you know I was from time to time I I think I I I I I think I was from time

I see him. I see them around. We're in the same place, which is purgatory, I think. Who do you see? Ian Fleming. I got to go. How are the delicatessons there?

Let me tell you. This is all stainless steel. Will you do some assmer for me? Will you just like... I'm sorry, you just say ass work? No. Well, you know what? We don't do that in Perg.

Oh, okay. You know, I like a nice, handsome-looking fella to play James Bond. That's why I thought in this movie I would show you're a couple non-handsome fellas. People you'd see you on the street, you'd think, oh, that guy's kind of attracted. But then we see James Bond, you know. You know.

You always open with disappointment and end with satisfaction. Yeah, I like to finish it off, you know? First, I like to cast, then I finish it off. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. The cubby broccoli two-step process? You know what?

I gotta go. Michael G. Wilson's calling me from beyond. Hank, come on. Well, I'm back, too. What did I miss? Guys, that's weird that you keep leaving and leaving your guest here. Well, I mean, we have to go to the bathroom. We're not like, camels.

Does this opening sequence contain the only 007 jump scare with the monkey? What is with the monkey? I can't think of another James Bond jump scare. That's definitely a jump scare. I meant to ask, is it the only jump scare? There's got to be another. Going back in my brain here. There's got to be a cat at some point in the 70s.

Right. Oh, is there one inspector? is like a raven flies out of that snow cabin or something? Yes, when he goes to find white. Yeah. Yeah. The monkey theme seemed so specific that I thought I was like, oh, the classic James Bond monkey scare.

They left that in for the new Dalton Bond. They wanted fans to understand. Nope. It's a new face, but we still got those classic James Bond monkey scares. You know, I always say give the kids a good scare. monkeys the best way to do it I'm recalling like an octopus Like a bunch of birds flying and scaring at one point

Oh when he's climbing the In fear eyes only when he's climbing the outside rock ridge To get to the tower The one with the big yo-yo's the saw yo-yo is an octopuso Yeah Oh there's a bird scare there too There's a bird scare with like when he's going into That's right

But I think they They hammered it with the score Right? Because don't they like In this they like Oh and they did Yeah I don't know I don't remember this is my last one I'm going to have some fun.

The other thing that's interesting about this opening sequence, it's almost entirely nonverbal for Dalton. He doesn't speak until he gets on the phone at the end. Yes. Or until he speaks to her at that moment. What does he say? She'll call you back. He says Bond James Bond differently,

and I feel like he's like, I'm going to say it different. He throws it away. Yeah, he throws it away. I would say this movie the most is made of his martini. I would argue that the boast is made of the tuxedos, because he's wearing a tuxedo in probably 80% of this movie. Really? He goes in.

He's a lot of its cello culture. Oh, cello culture. Exactly. That's another popular YouTube channel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Chalo culture. I was a little, like,

there was a lot about Timothy Dalton in the opening where I had expectations watching it again. And I'm like, why is this guy trying to take over and kill these agents? It doesn't really get those. So you didn't catch that it was a training exercise? No, I did. The guy who ends up killing him. The blonde guy.

Oh, yeah. The bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. They don't explain why that's happening. He's a quality henchman. Yeah, he's good. But he's not overly comical or anything.

Yeah, he's a forgotten henchmen about equality. Yeah. Oh, no. No, no, I'm talking just the beginning, just of... The Smeer Spioner. But I guess there doesn't need to be any explanation or connection to the movie. But you find out later what that is. You do?

Yeah. In fact, he even brings that tag back. The tag on the carabiner. Oh. Did you watch a different movie? No. This is the one with Daniel Craig, right? Oh, dear.

Did you watch Bright Lights Big City? Yes. No. Yeah, but the, I do like the annoyed guards who keep shooting at the guy and are like, Hey, you're dead, mate. Oh, yeah. You're supposed to be dead. I'm going to stay in front of this car and shoot all my paintballs at you.

He pushes them out of the way. Get out of my way. Your car's supposed to stop. I show you with three paintballs. I want to talk about those paint balls because as a kid who grew up playing paintball, that that was like, that's like a paint cannon. There's like powder, too. They're like powder and paint.

What is going on there? Well, I mean, I think they just have to visually make it more. I understand that. I just really wanted to sell it, Matt. It is disappointing when you, if you only see paintballs in films and televisions and then in televisions. You know, if you look inside the TVs, they're in there. Sometimes you see a paintball. They're in there.

But if you then go in the real world and use a paintball gun, it's never what you want it to be. That's true. Especially if you're using like a sidearm and it's got the little tiny pellets. It's not a lot. So the Jeep stunt is the first time I thought, oh, this is so much fun. It's a great concept and kind of poorly executed. The Jeep blasting off the ramp off the cliff, fantastic.

And then everything else a little iffy, including the great concept of the rip cord launching you out the back of the Jeep. I can tell you a little bit about that. So they originally were going to shoot that by dropping an actual land rover from a helicopter at 2,000 feet in the Mojave Desert with a live stuntman on it that was going to then fall away from it and parachute away. Why are we in the Mojave Desert? Because the only place you can drop it. Only place you can drop it. Oh, yeah.

They didn't get the clearance for the Gibraltar. This is where they were going to test it. So it didn't work and the parachute didn't open on the Jeep and it flattened into like. a pancake. They showed in the documentary on the special features. So they ended up doing a radio-controlled release dummy, and that's what you end up seeing. So they launched the Land Rover with a cannon off the cliff. Which looks great. Yeah.

And Dalton was jet lag. I watched that, the extras. He was super jet-luck because he just got approved or whatever. He just got off Brenda Star. Yeah, and he was like really anxious about doing all those stunts and everything. He wanted to. Yeah, he wanted to. And he did most of them.

Yeah, that was cool. He's good. He's good. Yeah. He gets a bum rap, I think, from... He gets a lot of respect from a small, like, but resolute group, but then he does. He gets swept under the rug like he's just another lazy bee. Yeah. Yeah, he just...

It was such a weird in-between time, though. If you're coming in between Roger Moore and, I mean, the illustriously hairy, Pierce Brosnan, if you're coming in between those two, it's just, it's too much. You can't handle it. I mean, you think about... You think about Lazybee, he had the fucking short end of the stick. He came between Connery. Yeah, but he didn't do himself any favors.

But Dalton, I feel like, does get short shrift. And he's, I think even maybe more than Daniel Craig, closer to Fleming's Bond, or at least was trying. I think aesthetically, even, I think. His face is so aerodynamic. I know. Yeah. So chiseled.

Like, it's so, like, it looks like it can, yeah, he looks, it's like very. Yeah. And you could swipe a credit card in that chinclift. Yeah. Or put a weapon. Yeah, hide a little weapon. That's how we checked out at IKEA. He accepts debit.

Did he want to do more? He was going to. He was going to do a third, yeah. They were rarely stoked off. No, they got caught up in legal trouble. The film, the franchise did. There was a problem with the distribution rights, and Covey Broccoli took everybody to court,

and it was the whole thing. So they had to wait six, five years. five, six years. I think so. And if you look online, there's a treatment of what the third one would be. And it was kind of like China-based, I think. Well, it was the, it was to go over the transitioning of Hong Kong handing it over to, from Britain back to China, which was the happening in the 90s.

And they were going to use James Bond to do that. Here's your keys. Seems somewhat. Well, I mean, it would have been probably as great as the 2012 Olympic video where James Bond protects the queen and those corgis. Are you not a fan? I loved it. I don't remember that.

Oh, it happened. She's in it. The queen is in it. The queen and Daniel Craig. Yeah. And she skydies. I mean, she doesn't, but a double. Oh, yeah.

That says you. Yeah, you'd be surprised. That's true. Yeah, who knows? Wasn't there also something about Dalton possibly doing Bond earlier and didn't happen? He was asked when he was in his early 20s, and he himself said,

said he was too young. Oh. Like around the Lazyznyby time. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's right. He said that in the, like a long time ago for Her Majesty's, right? Yeah.

And then they asked him again around this time and he couldn't do it because of this movie, Brenda Star. And then they got delayed because they went with Brosnan and he got pulled back to Wellington Steel. And by the time that had happened, Dalton was available. So he flew right in on the heels of Brenda Star. I would have, I would have loved to get one more, uh, Dalton. And then.

Yeah. The two brasons, and then the two Brosnan's that I like, and then Daniel Craig. I don't think you're going to find any supporters here. What? What? So what would, so how old was Dalton when he did this movie? That's a good question. I'm not sure.

I don't know. Late 30s, maybe? Sorry, what podcast did this? Oh, this is a podcast for James Bond Lovers, not experts. Oh. Keith and the girl? I'm guessing 33. You think?

33. I say, 38. So the question is, what Roger Moore movies would he have done and how would that have changed? Had to have been

Voodal, right? No, he would have started with live and let die. He was asked early on. Yeah. That or? If they did that movie back then. So 46,

he was born in 46, this was 87, so he was 39. Wow. Wait, or 41. 41. 41. Pretty good.

He's in Toy Story. It's called James Bonding, not James Mathing. He is. He's the, Bad, um, isn't he one of the three,

he's like a theatrical toy. Like he's an actor toy. That's a lovely. Yeah. I haven't seen part three. Who's the, who's the Russian that they, the pipeline with his name?

Oh, the guy from the fugitive. Yeah. Do you guys notice that he's, uh, Milosh, the tennis, the terrible tennis player in Seinfeld? Oh.

Oh, nice. Paul. It's a really good one. Yeah. Nice. And a very different. That's amazing. I did not put that together until just now.

I'm pretty sure. No, I think you're 100% correct. That's amazing. Remember that? Well, I have a confession. Oh, no. Isn't Whitaker? Joe Don Baker?

Oh, yeah. He's the J.D.B's in the... He's the Prasen movie as a Russian. Twice. No, he's the American. He's a CIA guy. He's the non-Felix Lider, Felix Lider. Right.

And he is in two Pierce Brosnan's. which I think is so crazy to have put him in a movie. There was only one movie in between where he wasn't the villain. Two. I thought it was a Cajun. Licensed to kill. Oh, he's in Golden Eye. He's in Golden Eye and Tomorrow Never Dies, right?

Yeah. He shows up in Russia. He's like, Bons, he's Russian liaison. Russia liaison, but he's in America. In a strip club type place, right? Yeah, he goes over to see Mimi Roger. Not Mimi Rogers. Mini driver.

Mini driver. He's the type of guy in that movie that was a Tommy Bahama, like, shirt everywhere he goes. Yeah. What do you guys think of the theme song to this film? Love it. Uh-huh. Yeah. They just recently did an unplugged.

A-ha did? Like MTV style old school, but nowadays unplugged. And they sing the song. There seems to be no reason to do that. I don't know. What? It's fun to watch them do this song. I watch the extras, and they do the making of the music.

video and interview the band and it's so dumb chills. The band is, they just are being such a band. And there are moments where the other guy in the band starts talking and no one could follow what he's saying. And the other guys in the band are looking at him like, what, what do you say? Apparently John Barry didn't really get along with them. I can't imagine. Well, he seems pretty curmudgeonly anyway.

What do you guys think? I feel like that guy. I feel like the aha lead singer, not a cool dude. Yeah. A good guy. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Tiny eyes. Yeah, he does have tiny eyes. Yeah, he does have tiny eyes. Get larger eyes, dude. But he's better looking than me, so. Oh. Did I, you know what I did? I skipped the opening credits on this one.

What? Too hot for you? I watched it like three times. I watched it. I did. I did. And I skipped the opening credits. I thought on pause.

I was trying to, I was trying to cram this. Have you guys, have you guys ranked the opening sequences? The title sequence? The opening, yeah, the title sequences have not been ranked. Not yet. Good. Let me just editorialize. This opening sequence is garbage.

It's not great. It's one of the worst ones, if not the worst. I don't remember the license to kill one. It's just kind of, it's not very memorable. The license to kill one has a lot of photography in it. And is a little stylized. Yeah. Yeah.

This one is not, in fact, I watched it today and I don't remember it. No, it's like a lot of shitty cross-processing optical printer bullshit. Oh, but that's all of them. But they had no money for this, you could tell. So it's just color filters. No, no. They had money.

What they had was the same guy doing it for years who was probably just out of ideas. John Barry. No. I got to say, he ran out of ideas. Probably. I remember years ago running into you, Gourley, at the Lackma, at the, do you remember the James Bond, like, the title sequence show.

They had a big room with every title sequence on TVs at the same time going. It was the greatest and dumbest. It was kind of a letdown because you got there and went, wait, I just put these on to my DVD. Yes, but do you have 20 television, sir? No, I don't.

Thank you for waiting. My Elliot Carver. It was pretty hot. Can I share that Matt Starrs in one of our music videos as it's a title sequence spoof? Of the James.

Which man, there's three matches in the room. Gourley. The song's called Nobo. Check it out. N-O-B-O. N-O. T-W-O-Pan of Panthers. What album?

Wayne Interest, Innovated Elegia Records. I play a Jaws type. Yeah. Yeah. And I play Scaramonga. That's right. Yeah.

By the way, I think, I mean, we're jumping around. I'm going to jump around because he just said Scaramanga, but I really love the end. of this movie, like more than the final Scaramanga Funhouse fight. I love the war room. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, me too. I love the war room fight.

Absolutely. I think it's so much fun. It is. I liked it better this time. It still feels like a bit of a anti-climactic ending to me a little bit. We'll get to that. Well, yes. Okay.

I agree. I agree. Let's talk a bit about Saunders, his helper at MI6. Most British. Yeah, definitely. He wins the award. We like to give out an award. Who is the most British person in the movie?

It's Saunders. I really felt for this guy this time, and I was sad to see him go. And I love this character, for some reason. This guy really spoke to me this time. Well, you know what? It's really like when he's first interacting with Bond, you're like, oh, this is why I don't like this guy. And then this time around when I was watching it, when he finally helps Bond out, and is at the diner, I'm like, oh, this guy.

He has a character arc. He's got some redemption. He does have a pension. His sidekicks usually don't have a character arc. And not only does he come around to Bond's way of thinking, you can see him looking at Bond like, kind of like, do you like me now? And it's very endearing and sad when he gets killed. You're talking about the helper, the, the, the, double O.

He's not a double O. He's a, he's kind of a bureaucrat. He was two days away from becoming a double O when they met in that cafe. I text you. That's the one I'm talking about. My girlfriend and I were watching it, and she said she wasn't paying attention. She says, it sounds like Peter Dinklage. Oh, yeah, Saunders.

Yeah, his voice sounds like him. And then I closed my eyes and it went away after a while, but the very first part when they're up in the balcony together, definitely. Yeah, I liked him a lot. He has a possibly horrifying moment where the whole opening takes place and they have to get away with what's the general's name?

Koskoff. And he's already thrown the book at James Bond saying, Section 29, paragraph 2, you're not allowed to know what the escape route is. And two minutes later, James Bond has taken his asset, given him the gun. Huge gun.

Throwing. He's like barely, barely can hold it. Unhideable gun. Throwed the book back out of, taken off with his ass at leaving him just sitting there. Oh, now I have a gun that's been used to. In an alley. He left him in an alley. In Czechoslovakia, a communist run Czech Republic.

Yeah. I love the look and feel of that whole. Oh, it's great. Like, there's something with the cinematography. Yeah. I got to get me one of those Dalton jackets, too, where you just pull the collar up and Velcro the tab around and suddenly it's a sniper costume. I mean, if you're going to snipe.

I know. Why not wear a tuxedo that turns into a functional sniper outfit? A Timothy Dalton tactical. tuxedo. Also, couldn't, when Kostov gets to the door, shouldn't Saunders be there with it ready to open? Because he gets there and they're like, he's going to have 10 seconds, this guy's going to get killed. But Saunders is upstairs, waits to hear a knock at the door and then runs down there and fumbles for the keys. Like, help the guy out. This is the, it's such a giant Walther, this, this sniper rifle. Like, it seems so impractical. It's got one of those things that's like so beefy. It's got a bipod that is on

the top of the barrel instead of the bottom. And then it's got a scope and a separate, like a laser site in those days was the size of a like 1940s flashlight. They were huge. I love, I love this knowledge you're bringing up. Well, I'm just looking at the thing. Well, sure, sure, sure. But it seems like a gun that James Bond would not need at that range. Probably not. No, it seems egregious. I like it because you never see that gun in any other movie really. That's true. I think of another one. That's a good looking gun. One of the, my favorite parts about the, this whole sequence, I guess. I feel like this movie is moving at this point.

Like, there's a lot of action from the cold open to the sniper, to the moving, to the getting him in the pneumatic tube. A plus title drop at the end of this sequence. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. A plus. I think it's the best spoken moment of a title in a James Bond movie. How many are there?

Well, they say Goldfinger constantly. Sure. Doctor No. From Russia with love is written. Thunderball's a code name. You only live twice, Mr. Bond. That one's pretty good. Yeah.

Specter. All the time. On a magic of secret service, diamonds are forever, live and let die. Dare I say quantum of solace? They don't say living let die. They never said live and let die.

A man with the golden gun, that's implied. Spy love me. Taken for granted. Moonraker. Yeah, same thing. thing. Doctor, no. For your eyes only?

Then, for your eyes only, darling. Yeah. They do say that. That's a title drop. Of you to a kill. That one's pretty good. It's Mayday and Zorn. Yeah, but it's not James Bond saying.

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. This one's got James Bond close up. He must have scared the living daylight. That's pretty good. I loved it. It's pretty good. Yeah. You know what I also love was he driving.

in the car and he says like M will fire me and Bond goes if he fires me I'll thank him for it. Yeah. This is a new side of Bond that's self-destructive but that's Fleming's Bond. That's the Bond that's just tired of this shit. I loved it. Yeah. Oh. Sorry everybody. I'm ruining everything.

Okay. But yeah, this is the maybe this is the maybe this is the closest we ever get. Besides I think early Connery this is the closest I think we get to Fleming's bond. I agree. Except for Casino Reale.

Yeah. But Dalton was pushing it to go that way. You can see the movie gets cold feet at times, like when they have the Russian girl in there, like the utility worker girl. And then there's another part that gets a little too comical. There's a part that I... The cello case.

Oh, that was insisted by the director. Uh-huh. And even, like, Cubby didn't want to do it. I don't think Dalton wanted to do it. And then finally John Barry is like, John Barry of all people, goes, you know, I'll have a show. Okay, sit in it. See, people can sit in it. Okay, we'll do it.

Like, that's what you needed to prove? I mean, I just didn't know if it was big enough. I got to go. Did I miss anything, guys? You just took a nap real quick. Yeah, it was just too little cat-dosed off. I'm very tired, man. But the, I mean, it's great.

This whole oil pipeline cleaning situation to get the, you know, the guy out. I love it. Out of control. Good Cold War espionage. Yes. Everyone reacting to what sounds like a rocket rolling through that? I mean, there's a lot of great reaction.

Am I wrong that there's a shot of the pipe and it shows it has a 40, or like a 90 degree turn? Yeah. Yeah. How is that thing? Yeah. How's that going to work? Crazy.

That might work for oil, but. What country is the pipe in in that Brosnan movie, though? World is none or the... Oh, the world is not enough. Fake. No, it's in the real. Is it a fake country? Fakeistan?

No, wasn't it? It wasn't it? Cool if they crossed over somehow. That was... But these are... This is an oil pipeline, isn't it? Never mind. I digress.

I wish he was like... I wish Christmas Jones is like, we ever been on one of these? And he was like, no, but I once sent someone. So there's this whole sniper thing. Yeah. Get the guy. There's a car chase.

They take him to the oil pipeline thing. They put him in the... the pneumatic tube and then like great this is going great we're moving what how about a harrier you've got to have ice you on the cake fuck it let's put in a harrier this is pre-true lies too yeah i mean it's a vertical takeoff on a fighter jet still is very impressive to me sure can't not enjoy that yeah i feel like my brother told me as a kid that would have been the wrong plane right no a harrier can do that no i mean a harrier but it wasn't an american plane no harrier was okay It was.

But then they loaned it out to Americans. Tell him he's full of shit. I think I'm thinking of the top gun planes where they're Russian planes, but they were... Oh, the Migs, the Chinese MIG. We used to watch it the same day. I get it. I get it. We were inverted.

Bullshit. Those were American planes with red stars on them. What other fighter jet film festival films did you watch? Iron Eagle? I watched Iron Eagle a couple times. That dead. Yeah, that did it. You closed it out with six hours of the right stuff.

Well, good night. Thank you all for listening. It's been a great James Bonding. I just want to point out that the safe house they go to is the Bladen safe house after our own James Bladen. Yeah. Wow. That's great. Q, looking tired.

A little bit. His hands are, how big, man? Well, as we know here on the show, because the first film we watched in this series was Golden Eye and his hands were enormous. That is the baseline. And this is pre-Goldeneye. I'm going to give it a Golden Eye minus 1.5. But they are especially big compared to Golden Eye even. I think you're going a little soft on his hands.

You think they're as big as gold mine? I'll give you that. All right. It's a golden eye minus one. Well, one point two five. Desmond Loellon's hand. Did not notice his head. Hands.

Very normal. This is hands. All I could see was that they were using Joe Don Baker's life cast to test all of the weapons. And it was so distracting. Oh, the ghetto blaster? Is it? I saw, I know Joe Don Baker's in the movie and I see him staring at me like, that's ridiculous. No one would use that dummy as their test dummy.

But I'm not sure why they would have Joe Don Baker's life cast until I get to the end of the movie. or I guess the middle when you first see his hall of generals, and it's a bunch of Joe Don Baker castings. This is going to have to be re-watched for this moment. Michelle pointed that out to me. She's like, that looks like a real person or that looks like someone familiar. That's weird that you're saying that now.

It was so distracting because it wasn't just like some sort of foam dummy or mannequin. You're talking about when the ghetto blaster shoots. Yes. And then every... Something for the Americans. I'm bringing it up here, hold on. I gotta say,

Money Python. Money Python? Money Penny. This is a great money penny. Money Penny. I wrote down, she's got a Noah Bombok way about her. I don't know what that means. I was on an airplane when I was watching it. Does that make sense to any of you here? Like the type of purse girls he uses in his films? Like a Greta Gras.

Okay, I just want to say that I Google this, and what came up is the actual music that's playing on the Ghetto Blaster in Living Daylights. Oh, finally. Wow. The mystery has been solved. This YouTube videos called Ghetto Blaster, the Living Daylights music found. For years, I wondered who wrote this piece of music used not only in the Living Daylights, but also Creep Show 2 back in 1987. It comes from the DeWolf Library, and it's called Sacred Heart by Chris Blackwell. Please make sure you go to the DeWolf site.

and download a copy for yourself for all you bond soundtrack complete. Can we make sure that gets on IMDB trivia? That's insane. Is this the way, has everybody gone? No. No.

No, a different song? That song does play a lot. Yeah. In fact, isn't that weird that that is Necros' like, like pumped up assassin music? Yeah, he's got to listen to it to kill. Everytime with the headphones.

It's always that song. Oh, yeah. The Pertenders. Pretenders. And that's worked into the score. All right, we're checking this out on YouTube here. Okay. This isn't great resolution.

I didn't mean to derail. I like Q's lab here. Yeah. It's very futuristic. Oh, it's too hard to tell. I'm not sure that's him. He's got his body shape, though. I can imagine John Baker.

When isn't he a spy going to be having a with a go-blaster, like, holding it? Well, he said that's for our American friends. Yeah, he's odds for our American friends. Well, it did come in. very handy in Beverly Hills Cop 3. I don't know if you remember that when Axel Foley's in the theme park and he's got

the weapon that he bought from Serge. Serge. That's when George Lucas has a cameo. Yes, he sure. Well, George Lucas has a cameo when he gets cut in line. That is so strange. And he goes, oh.

It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Oh. I was going to make stock for. Speaking of Moneypenny, it's weird when Bond slaps her butt. Like, it doesn't feel right with that. Oh, that's like the moment where you're like, oh, they were trying. They were, yeah.

They missed some stuff. It's like ADRed sexual harassment. Yeah, because I saw Andy, your wife's Instagram. You guys were watching it with the subtitles. Well, I told her, I said, oh, you got to see this. It's ridiculous. It makes no sense. And for some reason, Aroku turns on the subtitles for the last, like, five seconds that

you skipped back. And so we just saw the subtitle Slapping Buttocks. For some reason. It's fucking brilliant, though, for the Roku to do that. Because usually you're rewinding them because you're like, wait, what? Yeah, where was I? You have to send us that picture. We can make it the episode.

We can make it the picture for the episode. Yeah. Oh, of course. All right. Andy, don't forget to send that picture. Okay, so we got a new MoneyPenny, same M from the previous movie. I have a question for you because before this, right, he's in M's office, correct? he goes in and the

yard tool picks up his gun and he has to take it out is that all happening? That's Adam's house. It's not his house. They're at a safe house. The Bladen house. Oh, the Bladen house.

But there was a moment when he's talking with him where I thought this is, this bond stands out different from all the bonds. The way he's playing this scene of, he's like, you didn't shoot the sniper. Oh, right.

You didn't shoot her. He speaks back to Craig does that to Ray finds a bit, but that those are... But I feel he does it differently. Like, Inspector Craig is almost like tone in the line in a kind of snarky way. Yeah. And not really meaning it. Whereas like, here he's like, I'm telling you, like, like, he's really trying to like, say, I'm an honorable, like, convince him, like, this is, this was the... I don't know.

Maybe he's bitter because M sent him on an errand to pick up a picnic basket at Herod's department store. Did you find that to be weird at all? I did. Like here's a list of M wants you to pick something up at Herod's. And then he comes with a picnic basket of like a ball and your champagne. The most expensive. Yeah. That was strange, but funny.

It was a Dom Pernion. Sorry to rewind, but that moment stood out to me. No, listen. This podcast is for moments that stood out to you. You're doing a great job. I think we're all doing a great job. I like the rake, by the way. Yeah.

That whole scene is good. What an unnecessary device. For a place that has a guardhouse. The rake radar? A place that has a guardhouse, why must your radar look like a rake? You're not like trying to hide the fact that this place is under protection. We're trying to keep a low profile.

You're clearly doing something official there. You don't want weapons in. You don't need the fucking gardener to be the guy that takes. the gun. We must we can't upset the neighbors. It's ridiculous. We must muddle on. No. I don't, I was that part, I enjoyed

I was like, oh, it's fun, it's in a rake. And then I was like, why the fuck is it in a rake? And then, you know, I did enjoy the butler. I love that fight in that kitchen. Oh, yeah. That was great. Yeah, he's like a... He's like 007. Yeah, he's probably

like, double O one. Yeah. And he's like, I'm just going to work at the Bladenhouse now. I've done my bit for Queen and Country. He put up a fight. With the milk grenades. Yeah. Love it. Yeah. Who doesn't? This movie keeps delivering set piece after set piece, and they're not even huge

moments necessarily. They're just good, kind of interesting little twists and stuff. I love that he's like a, like, he's kind of like a bro. Just, he's like, I'm just like, my other milk guys deliver, he's got the flu. Like, he's just kind of like a young, broie kid. You're like, this fucking guy. All right, going through. I will say, though, when he gets out of the water, that's Speedo. And flashes of Daniel Craig.

That was quite a bod. He's a dancer, that guy. He's a ballet dancer. He looks like it. And I want to make sure that I caught the sequence properly. He's a runner. Yeah. And the milkman stops.

And he strangles the milkman. Yep, with his headphones. With his headphones. Very important. With the song. With the song. This guy, if this guy had made it to 2017, he'd be so mad at Apple for taking away that headphone.

Oh my gosh. That's how I kill people. I'm going to kill you with AirPods? I can't do that. You think about it. They're lodged in your throat. Apple is disarming global terrorists. Oh, good point. So he kills the milkman.

Very sad. Man had a family. And then, so now he's in a milk cart. And at some point, fills the milk tuck-tuck. Yeah. It's a milk tuck-tuck.

Milk. Mok. Mok. I'm not going to... Mok-tok. Then he fills the milk bottles with grenades, explosives. Well, what I imagined is it's some sort of chemical that reacts with milk. Can we ask cubby broccoli?

I'll see if I can get him. Matt, where are you going? Look, I'm lactose intolerant. Oh. So it's like... Whenever I have milk, it's like a grenade. in my belly. It's like an explosion. You know what I mean? So I says to everybody, it's like, what if what if the milk blew up? Because it blows up in, it blows up in me. Right, but what did

you know? No, I got to tell you, I, every, every other day, it's, they're getting me a new trailer because I cannot lay off the milk. I love the milk. Gosh, stepdad. That's a great idea. Thanks, Michael. You're welcome. You know what? You're doing me proud. I got to run. All right. Where's Barbara? Barbara. Watch him. I got to go. Anyway, I got to assume it's some sort of chemical. I just assumed he had a stash of pre-made milk grenades. Disagree. Nearby.

Well, that's your right. He has some sort of packet of chemical. Okay. Oh, so you're saying he was, he knew the root of the milk ban. He had been watching. Yeah. And was ready with milk grenades. Yeah.

Cool. Great. Okay. Moving on. He was doing all of his surveillance with a backhoe. This is why we have to throw out our water bottles before we. we get on an airplane. That's true.

Someone at TSA watched the living daylights. Can that really happen? Holy shit. We can't take that chance. All right. Now, this, but I mean, it is, I do like how quick this butler is. The butler's my favorite character in the movie, by the way. Really?

Yeah. Do you think if he spoke, he'd be the most British? I mean, he does speak, but he does speak, but it's not, it's not enough to, like, really honed on his Britishness. Yeah. But like I feel like he's a guy who takes his fucking undercover butlering very serious. Very seriously. Like he seems to truly be the head of the household.

It's like he was, he, the butler walked into that kitchen and the milk band scared the living daylights out of him. You know who I love is the stenographer who gets wrapped up in the whole thing and has to go with Costco. Like you don't realize in the beginning he's the. the guy taking the sonography. And in the very beginning, when Koskopf gets up from the chair and moves around the room, he picks up the microphone and moves it towards him.

Like, whoever the actor is is very diligent with his role. Like, this is what I would do. And then this just poor quartz stenographer gets pulled along on a caper. That's really every court stenographer's dream to go along in a caper that you get out of. But I think the whole gas line thing, I just I think they buy it too quickly Everybody there this whole get the gas line out And I feel like they should all know the butler's voice

I don't buy that this blonde guy can do a great impression of our favorite butler Well let me tell you something about that Okay so his voice when he's at least English I'm not sure if it's the whole film but at least when he does the English accent Is a ADR dubbed voice And that guy also does another voice of somebody in the film $10 right now if you can guess who Timothy Dalton

No Fuck Just threw away your fucking Fucking chance Of ten dollars Bro This is going off IMDB and I don't know

How I stumbled Across this today Anyone else in the film Wait who's the voice does It's just this voice actor Does necrose the thugs voice When he's doing a British accent Playing the Milkman

He's dubbed It's one of the guys At the beginning saying Are you supposed to be changed I'm going to tell you. I lie down. Why are you supposed to be dead? You're not playing fair.

I'm going to go up the chimney. It's the parrot. Oh, you know what's amazing right now? I was going to ask about the parrot. And I was wondering if I had dozed off. Because you thought there's more to it. You know, when you devote, I don't. don't know, 60% of the frame of a feature film to a parrot for any amount of time, that parrot

better fucking come back in the plot. That parrot better say a code word, that parrot better tell you who killed somebody. The parrot needs to do something. That was a superfluous parrot, and for that, I am giving this movie one demerit. Like an actual double O demarit? I'm giving it one demerit. I have not decided what that means. Oh, okay.

Oh, this is a new, a new unrating. Yeah. We'll call it a demirate. Demirate. Seems apt. All right, let's, we go into town and he's getting Kara Malovey away from the KGB. Olivia Diabo? Yeah.

Okay. I like this. No, she's the no and Bobbock one. No. But she kind of is too. Mary Am. They both are. Wait, which one's which.

Olivia is the Wonder Years. Yeah. Right. This is Mary. a Noah Bumbach movie. I think... Oh, God. Which one follows me on Twitter?

Oh. Oh, Jesus. We're gonna find out right now, guys. Who follows you on Twitter? Humblebra. Whichever one you ran into at the IKEA lamp section. She probably saw how

cool I was about parents. It's Olivia. I'll be damned. What? Oh, Wonder Years. Yeah, the Wonder Years one. Okay.

Well, we're that close. Can you your phone for a second? Do you want to... Do you want to... DM? DM her. She's only got 12,500 followers. Let's get Olivia Diabo some followers, guys.

13K. She does a great job in one of my favorite Star Trek The Next Generation episodes. Which one's that? She plays a cue. She doesn't know she's a cue. She thinks she's human, but all of a sudden she has all these powers. Wrong podcast, buddy.

Oh, sorry. I'll see that. Tune into After Trek after Star Trek Discovery on CBS All Access. We're live this weekend. by the time this comes out, we'll be live next weekend, too. Also go check out the music video Nobo featuring Magorley. I love plugs, guys. I love plugs. Check out James Bonding, the podcast that we used to do.

This is a very appropriately punchy podcast. Yeah. For the time of night it is, for the amount of drinks you've mixed up. That's true. And I feel good about it. Yeah. This bond was the 80s bond. That's right.

Totally. It should be a little bit more sober and straight. Sure, he was afraid of STDs, but he is smoking indoors, cigarettes, which I liked to see again. Yeah. Because I feel like our buddy Roger rarely smoked besides a cigar. Pierce Brosnan never smoked except a cigar. And Craig should smoke. That's what I think.

I know. It would be nice. He really should smoke. How much money do you think was spent on the war model? That's very interesting. Not as much as you think. Yeah. You don't think so.

It's always a little bit in darkness or like... Are you saying that it's not as high quality as someone like, say, you could build? Well, that's probably true. Yeah, probably. I love this. Jeff works in that kind of thing. Pickets charge. Do you make maps for villains?

I do. Oh, my God. We found them. Uh-huh. That's the guy. I've done a lot of good maps. A lot on clear acrylic. I do a lot of etched acrylic.

maps with edge lighting, LED edge lighting. So you're saying I could maybe monitor a pipeline with one of your maps? You could monitor a pipeline. I've done some of those using a Ferrisbacked material so you can have magnetic markers. I'll thank you never to say Ferrisbacked in my home. Fair enough.

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Or should I say Boo Charted? James Bonding is not scary, so we don't have one this month that is of the spooky theme. Live and Let Die is a little scary, but it's too late for that, huh? Yeah, it is a little too late for that. But it's not too late for the scariest thing of all, 80s drug deer. Licensed to Kill will be coming this month. Check it out at your local this. Let's talk about this thing where she, they get her away from the KGB, where I used to watch

this film and think, oh, this is kind of dumb, but today I really watched it, and it's a good move where she goes to the phone booth. And disguised as a cello case. But the train actually passes with enough time where she could probably get that coat off and the hat, put it on the cello case, and then walk to Bond's car and they drive away. Have a cigarette. That's a good espionage moment. Esplanage.

No, I think this movie is full of good spying. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's hard, like, I always say it's hard to find a good spy in a James Bond movie. It is. That's a good point. Is that the point?

Well, you know, he's actually behind the eight ball a lot more than he should be as the world's greatest super secret agent. Do you feel like each, the first of each Bond actors movies is the peak spyingness and then it solely drops off? Second for Connery. That's an interesting. Maybe second for Connery because my memory of golden eye.

You think he's peak spyee in, from Russia with Love? Well, that film is peak espionage. I don't know if he is. Well, I think you just, you know he's pretty good. You're just getting wooed by the lectern machine. Hard not to. Yeah.

Well, I understand what you're saying. That's as espionage as you can come. You want to crack the Russian code. Both of Dalton's are pretty espionagey because... No, I don't count license to kill. Why not? He's infiltrated a whole drug ring. He's undercover.

He's not working for MI6. I know, but... He's gone rogue. As soon as a James Bond goes rogue, I'm like, buddy, you're not being a spy. You're just being an asshole. You're not into the rogue nation. You know, I like... Yeah, because he kind of does that here.

too. He was saying, Em was saying, I need a spy who follows orders. And he's like, but I follow my intuition. Like, he's making it clear like, yeah, and at the end of the day, I think Em knows he's got the right guy on the job. He knew he was, you. Yeah. Right. That's what I'm saying is. Isn't that also what Casino Royale is about? All Craig's, he goes rogue. He is yet to fucking, he's nothing but rogue. He is yet to just do a goddamn mission. He is yet to just fucking show up at the office, read a file, and go and do it. It annoyed me since day one. Yeah.

But we do love him on this podcast. He makes some great movies, and I bet he can bench the most. This movie comes close to having another relationship bond. Would you say you got Vesperlind, you've got Tracy? Is this like the third closest to or Paris Carter? He spends each act with her. But it's more of a serious thing. Like she's like almost has an innocent love.

for him. I have a question because he doesn't know or she doesn't know that he's a spy and he's kind of putting on a character, right? Yeah. Like he's playing some. And then they go to the concert together and this is something that stood out to me was like his bond seems really just giggly. And it's a charming scene in and of itself. But as James Bond, he's really just kind of dorky and giggly with her. And I can't tell is he playing a character? I think that's it. Honestly, I felt like that was him playing the part. Like at the carnival? Yeah.

Well, before the carnival, but then at the carnival. And I thought it was great, but it almost like took me out of it. Like, whoa, he's really, James Bond is really being. I don't see him as Bond playing the part because what does he have to gain? Because he thinks she's in love with Costco. Yeah. I think they're actually, because they have a moment where they kind of hold eye contact when he's pulling her off, I think, like the carriage taxi that they take.

Oh, right. And they have this little moment where they kind of smile at each other. And I think that's to show that even though she's with someone, they're kind of actually falling for each other. But I'm not sure if I'm right. I think he's playing a character and he's taking it easy and trying to get her to fall in love with him. But maybe a little bit starting to like her too. Are we finding this film has ambiguous levels that we can interpret? And I want to get to one later that I think is this.

I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. Okay. All right. You want to just do that now? I think when he buys her the dress, when he buys her that Yeah. That thing that B. Arthur would wear. He buys her a big stuffed animal too, right? Yeah.

Well, he wins her one in a shooting gallery. There is something undignified about seeing James Bond on a tilt a world, though. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. Well, I just feel like we missed this completely when we did our theme park episode. Oh, yeah, that's true. Because this is James Bond at a theme park. And we've just the Living Daylights theme park. Yeah, we should have just had a tiny section called Living Daylights,

and we just put all the rides that are there. That's right. Look at this picture. There's a door that may or may not kill you. And all the people who sell balloons wear, like, the... Yes. And play that music out of their... 100%.

When he smashes the balloon and it scares him, I feel like it really is... He really does scare it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think he was supposed to break. It probably was, but he's just very alarmed. Yeah, he was good.

This is why I think Bond as a character is not acting his love. we will post this photo you got to post that you said no you posted it right I put it on an Instagram story but is that not adorable it's pretty Tinder Tim don't

swipe right that's what I'm getting at is if he's not putting on a character this James Bond's kind of dorky well like he's giggly and fragile yeah he's business he's a spy he's got a job to Damn.

He's a leader dork. Yeah. You know what? He's got Cameron Shaw, the like Mujahideen leader, so sorry for the theatricals. It's from my Oxford days, which implies like he went to Oxford and was part of a theater troupe or something. Did you guys catch that? I don't know if he means like the theatricals of the deck core of his tent or he was putting

on his character. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God. I love that. So did we skip the cello case? We did. We did?

We skipped the, didn't we, isn't that chase happen? Before they get to Austria and ride the carriage. He borrows the Aston Martin or he takes it out for a spin. Yeah. Which is built with all kinds of things that work perfectly for this specific chase. And that's what I love about a James Bond movie.

The wheel hub laser is the logistics of the design and implementation of that. Sure, we'll let that one go. But the fact that it perfectly cuts a checkless Slovakian

highway patrols chassis off of the wheelbase is preposterous. And he also doesn't touch the tires. My question for that is, is where did that laser stop? Does that thing just keep going? It ripped through 16 farmhouses in the countryside.

Yeah. Like the laser in Congo, which by the way is the thing I would have most want to have of any movie is the laser in Congo. How dare you speak to us like we all have seen Congo. You're looking at us like that is a household watching

every... Everyone knows the laser from Congo is powered by diamonds. James Congowing. Well, that's the only Leonardo to Capro, right? No, no, no, no. Is it a Czechosican police car?

Is it a Trebant, I believe? Oh. I want to say it's a Trubon. It's one of my... I think it is. Wow. You can check my effect. I believe that.

I love Trebantz. Check my flat. Just those specific sort of 80s Eastern European car. Like, they call me. Tabis or Trebans. Yeah, I really like the cars and they're great. They're like two-strobenjured.

Really quickly to match your Olivia Diabo moment. I went to college with the girl that played Coco, the gorilla in Congo. That's awesome. That's just, I mean, that's terrific. It's not bad. I think we should have a Congo appreciation night here. That's not a bad idea. Everyone, we're going to watch Congo later.

Is this like a Michael Crichton thing or just the movie Congo thing? Really, it's just that laser. I think the movie's terrible. I just like how powerful that laser is. So just like a laser gun film fest? Yeah. Moonraker. Congo.

Star. I will allow the Aston Martin. Sure. I also thought it was a nice update of the DB5. I love this Aston Martin. This is one I would like to own. And I don't mean... I think of all the Aston Martin's...

I looked it up. Very expensive still. Yeah, I can imagine. What with all those skis on it? Yeah. You're looking at... Six digits, easy. It's a pain in the butt.

Fingers? Ditchet? Well, it depends. What is your finger worth? It's worth $10,000. Yeah. Wait, is that all? $10,000?

No, you need to lose all your fingers. That's five digits. You'd need to lose all your fingers. Oh, geez. It's 100,000 to $200,000 I was seeing them for. Wow. Is this the vantage or the vanquish? It's the volunt.

Oh. Yeah. I don't know my car is very. But, listen, you got, you got a lot of fun gadgets in here. You got your laser. You got your laser wheels. Yeah. You got your outrigger.

Right. Yep. Don't forget your missiles he used earlier. Sure. You got missiles that show up on a heads-up display. Yep. Very nice for the time. Also, she still doesn't know he's a spy, so he explains that he got optional extras.

Right. When he purchased his ass and Martin. Well, she knows he's with, like, he's at least a diplomat or a bureaucrat or something. It has, um, spiky snow tires which is great traction increased traction of course

rocket motor yeah that was a great rocket motor that was a fun James Bond like scene totally and it's 40 minutes into the movie yeah

yeah yeah it skis yeah it does yeah it does yeah it does it's the worst jet propelled car I've ever seen

in my life like the flame is such a dud It's got a bit of that Batman where the flame goes up instead of out. I would just be so angry. It's an effect.

It's not functional. No, I get it. But I wanted to look functional. Yeah. The first time they tried the jump stunt, I guess it was so cold out that the valves on the air cannon that launched it were frozen.

So it did what the, what's the name of the car that the checks drive? I believe a Trebant. The Trebant, what that does in the film how it crashes into that shack the valant did wait valant and trebant maybe

oh I need the fact check Valara Valara Valore always fuck up this car Trebant's to Eastern Europe in that time is what preises are to L.A. now

everyone has one I just watched the movie Gorky Park like you do on a Wednesday and the movie just has those because they're Soviet Russia. I love those cars. You're gonna maybe get one, do you think?

There's a... Nah, I don't get... It's way not worth it to get one over here, but I think they're actually illegal. It's a two-stroke engine. Oh, geez. The body's made of fiberglass.

It's like a lawnmower. Yeah, they're terrible for the environment. Oh, boy. Matt Moss does art, and there's a lot in this movie in Czech that remind me of your artwork. Yeah, I even took a screenshot in the beginning right before...

Text and typography. Text and typography Multiple like Yeah Well I'm in the Cold War kids So it makes sense It's a very Cold War movie That's right

I forgot how relevant this whole thing is Yeah oh You got the name for Cold War Kids Because of kids playing in I went to like a statue Yeah As I had Budapest I went to a statue park

And there was these Which in Golden Eye Wait this is how you got the name Cold War Kids Because you were there And you saw kids playing around Yeah, well, there's a place. I think it's called Statue Park.

It's outside Budapest, and it was a couple bucks. You can take a bus out there. And they're just all the statues I took out of the city are kind of in a big field. And you can kind of climb on them. It makes me think of Golden Eye. Oh, yeah, when they have that archaics. It's very much that vibe. All the Lenin statues.

And in the video game, too, you go to one of those and you could go up to, yeah. I remember that. I just assumed, and probably most people do that, it was because you guys all grew up during the Cold War era. Yeah. But that, that works, too. I always like the motif of just stuff. The propaganda.

I mean, too, look at that tray right there. It's like an RCA radio tray that has like missile trajectory stuff on it. That's good looking stuff. Oh, got it. How do you guys feel about the cello case thing, though? How do you feel about the gag? I'm fine with it. After like Daniel Craig and listening to this podcast, like I'm a little more snobby about things like this.

Are they sitting side by side? Yeah. Yeah. I feel like it should be more of a log ride. Oh, yeah, like the Matterhorn. Yeah, a cello is not that big. Yeah, yeah. And they don't have very big asses.

It looks awkward side by side. Yeah, if they were doing a log ride thing, I would have been a little more on board. But I'm fine with it because there's enough in the beginning. What do you think about the Stradivarius getting a bullet hole? Yeah, I like that. I like that. I like the payoff. I think the spy that James Bond is.

would have tossed the cello, who cares what it is, to escape being riddled with bullets from both sides of the border. I agree. And I think only because does he know it's a Stradivarius at that point? Yeah. The Lady Rose. Yeah. Then he knows not to throw it away. But I like that, like, every Stradivarius has its own origin story and its own name.

And now there's this one with a bullet hole in it, and it makes it all the more special. That's a prop I'd like to have. have. Oh, sure. You don't have enough room here. I'd make room. We could shoot all these. My only problem with that scene is

this movie came out in 87 and you've got like back to the future and like what, Indiana Jones and all these great movies that just kind of pull scenes off like this better. Fail attraction. Are you talking about the raft scene in Temple of Doom?

I don't know what I'm talking about. Well, you know what I'm saying Like as far as Back to the future is believable. Well, this is like Spielberg's Even though it's not. Super sweet spot. And it's hard for John Glenn to pull something off.

Exactly. As well. That's what I'm saying. This would have got more points if this movie came out like an 81 or 83. Yeah. But 87. But not 82. Fuck that year.

Nope. Well, it reminds me a lot of the ski scene and the Roger Moore one when they're skiing. Is that for your eyes only? Yeah. Man with a good one. It cuts to Beach Boys musical. Oh, Vue to a kill. Yeah, snowboarding.

Yeah. Yeah. It's fun, but it's a little out of place. The Stradivarius cellos, you're looking right now, if you want to pick one up, you're looking between six and 20 million. Yikes. All right, I'll do it for six, but I'm not.

I think with a bullet hole, you could probably get away with six. I wonder if that would up it or down it? You're probably down it. Like if James Bond's Super Spide? I feel like you're like, you're super collector of, uh,

rare handmade, you know, instruments from the 1700s. We're probably not looking for James Bond props also. You are the middle of the Venn diagram. I'm happy to be. All right. Let's,

we're already at an hour 15. Listen, there's not a ton that act. Honest to God, there's not a ton in the middle of this movie that even needs talking about. There is, when Felix, lighter picks him up. How do you guys feel

about this Felix slider? He's on the low end of assassination. He looks like the death is he the dad from 7th Heaven that had the legal troubles? Oh, he's from The legal troubles. You know, the dad that, you know, had legal troubles with young

girls who were very young. The reason why I said that way is I don't really know. I just somebody flippantly mentioned that and I don't know exactly. I didn't look it up. He's Jack's guy from lost. He's Jack's. who dad from

oh yeah yeah yeah I don't know he's he's pretty cool for 80s well listen okay so I we haven't not yet talked about Davies John Reese Davies

every time I say John Reese Davies I end up saying John Ross Bowie but yes John Reese Davies I love I love whenever there's an Indiana Jones actor crossing over into your James my franchise. Yeah.

Yeah. I find him to be likable in everything he does. You know, Denholm-Elliot could have made a good cue. Yes. Yeah. I've only ever read it. I've never heard it pronounce. I've always thought of him as Denholm.

Probably is. Did you see that email that we got where someone busted out all of the pronunciations and how St. John becomes singean, but like, Fandin Bindin-Shah becomes Fanshah and all that stuff? You know what I skipped it? sent forwarded it. Listen, you're not reading the memos?

I, I got a lot going on. Yeah. All right. Yes? So, what's the name of the headphones guy that's killing everybody? Necros.

Necros. Funny you should mention that. Because I have a pitch for a new name. For him? I'm listening. I love a pitch. Go. So we've seen him as a runner.

We've seen him as a milkman. Yep. He's a nurse. Yeah. He's a balloon man. He's hot style. It's like he has a number of odd jobs. What are you about to pitch?

I don't know. I just feel like there's some way to make use of the fact that he is just constantly doing these, yeah, just like different types of careers. And is a henchman. His name is neck gross. He knows how to use a knife, so he's got a knack for neck. That's true You know And I think whenever he's in a fight

He's on a top of him Whole situation That's right Yeah I think should just be called Speedo Orrando Spido

Sineui Speedo Headphones Get this done quickly Um But I Okay so the The plot to this movie

Very quickly Let's just sort of Try to digest It's as fast as we can A Russian is defecting or so am i six thanks and they're helping him and they're helping him get out of uh say no they're out of wherever the hell he's

cheslovak chakoslovak yeah uh in order to do so they have to stop uh what is likely an assassination attempt because the russians know he's trying to defect james bond stops the assassinations attempt escapes with the general uh meanwhile what we think are the russians are trying to also get the defected general, so there's that whole situation. They do, and they get them. And they get them. It's an embarrassment to the force. MI6

is not happy about it. And James Bond goes after Miriam Diabo because she's the only lead that he has. Right? He finds out, doesn't he find out first that

no, no he doesn't. Yeah, I guess that's right. to go kill, what's his name? General Linode Pushkin, John Reis Davies? Not yet. Not yet. You're right. So he follows the cellist because he needs information.

Yes, and he gets her address and he waits for her. Yes. Learns that Costco bought the cello for her. Has Moneypenny get on the trail? That turns out Brad Whitaker, the arms dealer, actually paid for the cello, so now he knows they're in Cahoot's some way. Yes. And they are doing this together,

not as Russians to make the MI6 think the Russians have done this. Meanwhile, the Russians are buying arms from Brad Whitaker. Correct. But they're pissed because they've given him a down payment and he has not purchased the arms yet.

And what he's doing is instead purchasing diamonds. He buys diamonds from Austria to buy opium from Afghanistan. To

That he will then sell for a huge profit. And then his plan is to buy the weapons? Yes, and then sell it to the Russians. But because Pushkin is reneging on the deal, they get, they kill Saunders to push Bond to kill Pushkin because they're making it seem like Pushkin has initiated this Smirtsponem death to despise thing. And Bond figures this out so they fake Pushkin's death to make Kaskov. Ann Whitaker think that their plan has worked. Yes. Thank God for James Bonding.

This is what we need. This is like a John LaCarré plot. No, this is sort of what I'm saying about this movie being so spy-y. Yeah. This is... I have seen this movie, I swear, over 40 times. Yeah. And that, I know that makes a little bit more sense now.

Yeah. That's what I've said. Yeah, thank God. We didn't mention the opium until now. Yeah. It doesn't, it's still like, I'm totally lost. Yeah. When the opium comes into play in this, in the third act of this movie,

two and a half hours into the movie. You are just like, what the fuck is this all over? Yeah. So do you think it's convoluted in a good way? Like a good spy way. Me too. Ultimately, but not on like the first 38 watches. Right.

I mean, on paper, though, like, this had to be like the size of the fucking cork board. They were plugging these plots into it. Yeah, yeah. But I think this is probably at the height. of Michael G. Wilson and Dickie Maebaum's power in that they'd been writing for a while and they're like

well we're going to get a little bit more realistic let's do this and they had some fun and Cubby broccoli I know you can probably speak to this but he's near done with the Bond movies he'd probably just make impasta his whole life at this point so there's probably some room in the sandbox for his stepson to play around

and he's a kind of cerebral guy and he probably I bet you if left to his own devices, this is the type of thing Michael G. Wilson would write every time. Should we leave him to his devices then? Do you think he's got another one in him? Well, I think, yeah, he'll probably finish out with Craig.

What I mean is, do you think he has another script in him? Or do you think he's just like, no, I don't want to do it anymore. He probably thinks my style of writing bond is done. What? Where's that? He told me to tag out. He had to go to Walthor PPP.K. Take a Walthor Pee.

That's how we say P. On the podcast, we say it's a Walthor PBK. Because we routinely record so fucking long that Matt and I both at some point I have to go to the bathroom. What do you call a dump? That's a P99. It's the gutty gets later. I think P90X would be back.

Matt, I don't know if this is this cross- is allowed, but how do you feel about squibs as plot devices? Love it. And I can probably name the movies that they're in as plot devices. This one, FX. FX2. In the name. FX2.

The... Clown robot saves the day. Fourth season opener of the A team, where they're going to get executed. The newest member of the A team who's just in the last season brings them blood packs in a hollowed out Bible. Um There's probably some more

The Sting No what They use blood packs Yeah He's got the little like blood in his I mean it's not exactly Well we're not counting squibs I mean you're just getting out of hand here

You're like a you're just being like a fucking parrot That doesn't make any sense Oh See you're out of control You're getting a demerit pretty soon So I'd be careful Uh A little punchy today I'm so I guess

I was going to say, I listen to this show often, and I'm honored to be here. But yeah, you're a little punchy. As the weeks go on and I get more and more tired, we're going to get a little more of the angry me coming out of this. I love it. Oh, thank you. I think more. Yeah, sure.

We can't both be so lovey, dumb. No, no, Rod's right. More. Nicely dumb. The middle of this film does get a lot of plot twists and turns, and it does lose you a little bit in the middle. there, I think, maybe. Nipple, full-blown nipple, we see

in this movie, finally. As a young lad, this is a delight. From Pushkin's woman? From Pushkin's woman. How did it go over in the theater with your parents? We never addressed it. Still to this day?

Probably. But in 4K, it's just it's there. So clear. Yeah. And as a young boy, my VHS was probably paused there, almost as often as my Terminator VHS for Linda Hamilton's, you know. Yamultons.

She had her yamultons out. Little Matt really enjoyed that part of the film. I did? You sure did. I've got a gloft. Oh, I love this, guys. This is a Gorley's lookout. for this.

So on your next viewing of living daylights, please, give a look out for this via Matt Gourley. This is one I'm positive we talked about the first time through in these films. But for this reason, though, it's a Hall of Fame gloft. It bears repeating. And that is, it's also a throwback to Thunderball because on the Thunderball missile and the heart container in this film, it says, handle like eggs, which is just a wonderful phrase. Wow.

Handle like eggs. Gotta be careful with it. Handle like eggs. Handle like eggs. Handle like eggs. Handle likes eggs. Um, yeah. It is interesting to like the plot with Pushkin in and of itself, just his storyline of him trying to do all the double crossings.

And like, because at the point where he's going to buy the opium, he just pretends that nothing's happened. And he comes to the base. And they, how do they do that? They drug, he gets her to drug bond. Yes. With the martini, again, coming into play huge here in this movie. Great acting.

You know what? It is, as far as your, as far as your, I'm almost, Dunzo drug to acting I've seen better I've seen worse it's right in the middle okay

the line that sticks with me the most is Whitaker saying you blew up half a billion bucks yeah but what is the response to that I can never remember

the response to that do you guys know don't do drugs no no Bond says something right after he's like he's like when you blows up the plane it's kind of

along lines of yeah yeah I did I don't know exactly what does he say I don't know I don't, did he respond? No, you blow up half a billion bucks.

You could have been a smart, rich man. Instead, you're going to be a poor dead one. Yeah, that's it. And Bond doesn't respond. I think that's when their final fight starts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, that's pretty good. I have a theory about this ending because when Koscov crashes into the plane. And survives. It does, like, it seems like the way they shot it, he was supposed to die there. And it would actually make more sense if he died there. Paperized should have been. Because that's kind of turns out to be the climax of the movie. I used to always watch this film thinking like the ending with Whitaker is supposed to be this bigger kind of thing.

And that's why it feels anticlimactic. But that almost seems like it's intended to be an epilogue and that the whole like Afghanistan thing or wherever that is. That's how I read it. Yeah. But it never read that way to me originally. It's almost like a it's, it's very reminiscent of your henchmen living out your outliving the villains. Yeah, but he's. But Whitaker is not really the henchmen.

But so I was watching the inside living daylights, and they talked about how they had used, who's at Malcolm Forbes's house for when they're all swimming in Brad Whitaker's mansion, and that he had little war soldier models and stuff. And they went, oh, we should use that. So it seemed almost like that happened mid-production. And that the insert shot of Koskov surviving that crash seemed like it could have been a reshoot. And they brought him back in the end where originally maybe he was supposed to die there. and Whitaker was supposed to be the bad villain to go after either in an epilogue of the ending. And that actually feels like it would make a little more sense to me, because it does feel weird that this whole confrontation takes place with Whitaker,

and then Koskoff just is there on the grounds, and they bring him in in the end and say, take him away in a diplomatic bag. It just, I don't know, it's weird. In a diplomatic bag. It definitely feels weird that a plane crashes into a Jeep, and he's totally okay. It feels like top, or what is, what's the movie with Val Kilmer? Top Secret. Yeah.

Isn't there something where he keeps crashing into things or is that naked gun? He keeps crashing into things. Someone does over and over and survives and keeps going. O.J. Simpson and naked gun. Oh, yeah. Timely. I love that movie. I thought you could say I love that man.

I love the character of Nordberg. Yeah. But it seems comical. I can separate the same. Yeah. I love that Nordberg. That's what I think keeps this movie from being like a stellar Bond movie is the way this ending unfolds. I see that the end though with it in there is like that that's too easy for Bond. Kind of like at the end of Casino Royale when he's shooting Mr. White.

It's just like it's like as we learn that's not the end of Mr. White. Right. But you know what I mean like like he's there just to like wrap it up and this guy's like I'm a soldier, military man. He has all his gadgets, but Fawn's gonna take care of this pretty good. It's not like Ed the Big Viln at the end.

It's just kind of a fun little, like, wrap. Yeah. I don't know why it never read to me that way for some reason. Well, it is, it does it does push can get killed right there or just taken away? You mean Whitaker? No, I mean. Oh, Kostakov.

Koskopf, I'm sorry. No, he gets taken away, but they insinuate they're going to kill him, right? Right. Okay. The. I mean, I think they just fell too in love with the whole Napoleon complex, Waterloo situation. Yeah. Right. Like, I really think that was a moment where Michael G. Wilson just was expecting to get an Oscar.

It is too bad because it does, even for an epilogue, it doesn't feel right. And you're coming on the heels of this great fight on the plane with necros. I also don't buy that a man in such heavy body armor. would be that hurt by that statue falling on him. Unless the statue is made of cobalt or depleted uranium. His death is ridiculous. It's not good. You're mentioning it that it's an epilogue, but there's four or five endings to this movie.

Yeah. It doesn't suffer from the Casino Royale. Yeah. Hey, look at this ending. Hey, look at this one. Hey, look at this one. Hey, look at this one. Hey, look at this one.

But it does suffer from the, yeah, we could have tried. we're gonna wrap it up we're gonna wrap a little bit more up the movie is that we could have tried more the the the plane stunt I thought that was awesome I agree all of that that's really that hanging onto that opium net yeah and like that is just and when Necros when he's cutting his boot and necrose is holding on and you see this otherwise menacing harrowing man go like no no no you actually another thing happens where you start like this guy has a little bit of humanity, he really doesn't want to die.

Most of your henchmen in Bond films are just kind of cartoony, but this guy, you really feel like he doesn't want to die. I would advise him in that situation to just simply reach two inches to your left and grab the netting instead of the shoe, but... In the heat of the moment, in a fight, really worried. Yeah. Sometimes villains seem a little too, like, ready to die. He was like, wait, no, what life did I choose?

Yeah. And for that reason, I think he's... I have so many things I never do! I think he's the best pseudo-red Grant of all the Bond movies. There's always like a Nordic, blonde thug guy. Yeah, I would put him second. Would you agree with that, man? Yeah, he really, for me, takes a place of like, efficient KGB trained henchmen.

Yeah, he's good. And I like that. I like the idea of a opposite number. Right. That is an actual villain. Because usually when we see the opposite number, it's someone who's going to be helping bond. Right. So, yeah, Red Grant and Necros?

Necros. How is his hair when he falls out? Is it really greased down like it is in the beginning or is it kind of flowy? I think it's flowing up. He's now a stuntman. Yeah. He has transcended. He has transcended henchman to become stuntman.

Icarus. Encey Falls. The part I wanted to bring up earlier, and I think they were like pushing, like, to make, what's her name's character of, Cara? Like, like, just independent in a way, or like, just show like she's a badass celloist or whatever.

You know, and cello culture. And I feel there, she's, she, she, they're trying to make her, the stronger figure, but then she's always like, James, where you going, James? And that's kind of a bummer, but that moment where she's like, aren't we going to go help Bond when he gets trapped in the van? She takes off with the gun and all those, uh, uh,

Yeah, we'll call them horsemen. Horsemen, uh, they were like, no, we can't go. The snow leopard men, that's the tribe, the snow leopard. No, no, the, uh, the Mujahideen? The Mujahideen. Yeah, that tribe is like this, they're called the chief of the snow leopard yeah and the the head one is like no we can't go and she takes off like I'm a badass and I think I think in a medicine or like looking back at the filmmakers they're they're trying to push

this like let's let's let's let's kind of bring up women here and then he says women you know but then I that is like a fucking bond says no no no art Malik oh like oh like but but then I was thinking, well, maybe it's him saying women. We wouldn't do anything brave if we weren't pushed by these strong women. I don't know. Something to think about. But I think... See, I was expecting a hearty laugh and a freeze frame. Right. Exactly. Credit's rolling. But I think you got a moment where they're like, let's give this woman, let's empower this woman. And then they give the line to a guy, freeze frame women. And I'm like, oh man like just this that's

1987 they're just not there yet yeah that line did stick out for me as well but also just the idea that these devout Muslim men have a sense of humor about about this woman who has

he's wearing pants well he went to Oxford yeah no he did sure yeah sure I mean he's probably in a bunch of Noel Coward place he's like this is what they say in Oxford women. He probably played Lady Bracknell in importance of being earnest. He probably did. But I just feel like these other guys that he's with are just like, they're like freedom

fighters and drug dealer, like, you know, they're just trying to fucking live. They're trying to survive. Right. And like, you're just like, he's supposed to say women and then they're all supposed to be gung-ho to like go save this British guy. Go fight a tank? Yeah, let's go fight a tank. We have our money. Yeah. We can now live for a while longer and build up the resistance, but instead we're going to, oh, women. Well, you think when Art Malick Cameron Shaw was in Oxford doing theater, he was part of the chorus that sang, nobody does it better 10 years earlier in the spy love me.

Yep. You're right. That's a good bet. Yeah, I hope so. Oh, good. But yeah, so let's talk about that tank horse battle. it's pretty good all that all that stuff is good it's it's some good some good squib work in the ground i mean you know i'm always whenever i see a tank and a

horse i'm just like guys that old trope there's no way it's a it's an old trope thanks to your your indiana joneses yeah you know but that she does it best two years after this oh boy perfects perfects the uh they did do a better job they did what is it the lion in the desert that Anthony Quinn film has a bunch of this Lawrence of Arabia yeah does I have a tank it's probably got a World War I train it's got a train in a tank train and horse is some kind of Arabian yeah why not is that what they call Lawrence Arabia fans Arabian Arabian Arabian? I don't know where's my Arabianniacs at let's rate this film oh shall we that's interesting uh do we should we

allow the guests to do it? Yeah, let's let the guess go first. What's the scale? So the scale is a double O, well it's a triple O to a 007. Okay. 007 being the best. Okay. And triple O is the worst. Yeah. And what are we rating it against?

Movies? James Bond movies. Just James Bond movies. Or just, yeah, like if we ranked it against other movies, we would oftentimes not crack five. That's not always true. Not always true, certainly, but very commonly true.

I'd give it a I'd give it a 005 and I think it's a 204 movie but I have a soft spot for the Timothy Dalton Bond movies and it gets that extra one.

Yeah. All right. I'm balancing from 005 to 005.5. Then back down to 004.5. I'll say 205.2. I think... We've never had a point two. We've never had a point two.

I love it. Not even a point two five. I love it. No, it's a point two. There, uh... Yeah, it's just fun. It's fun. Like, I don't know. Just, I like the time period said. I like the Czech Republic. I like Matt's favorite car. Gore-Moss's favorite car.

Yeah, it has all the bond, like, you know. It hits your buttons. It hits the buttons and then Timothy Dahl and I'm just... Pushes that rocket motor for you. I think he's great and different and, you know, Brosnan was my first bond, so he's kind of somewhere in between Daniel Craig and Brosnan and looks and acting wise. I don't know.

I just, the whole movie as a whole, yeah, like Jeff said, it's not that grade of a movie, objectively speaking, but with all else considered, it's 005.2. Matt? I give it a 005, I was going to say. I think it's

well, Daniel told us this was your favorite Bond film. Is that not true? It is, yeah. And you're just going double 05. But he can understand quality versus favorite, I think, is what he's telling us. The fact that I've seen it 40 times and I still don't know the plot is why I'm going to get a 005.

It's my favorite bond girl, as I said before, the Diabo. Cool haircut. Miriam? Yeah, cool haircut. Great haircut. Great. But I still don't get it. So, 005.

Yeah. It's a confusing plot. It should have been a miniseries, you know? It would be a good miniseries. You know what? You could spend a little chapters. More time. Ten episodes.

God. Get HBO to do it. Wait a minute. Let's make it happen. I know. I know the Bond franchise is looking to expand. And you know a Diabo. I do.

I know one. So if they were to do a miniseries, would you cast a different James Bond for like a TV show miniseries? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Who would we cast? Well, it's the TV show. I mean.

Steve Coogan. Cugan to be great. I'd probably go. That guy from Big. bang theory. He's real funny. Parsons. Jim Parsons. Yeah. It's very tall. Yeah. He really gets a lot of Emmys for a lot of things.

But I would have to say that this movie has become more enjoyable over time. And for all its flaws, I think it holds your attention. It's a long Bond movie. It's a two-hour, ten-minute bond movie. and because it holds my attention the entire time, I'm going to give it a 005.5. If that fucking parrot did something, we might be looking at a 006. Well, it doesn't matter because I'm going to give it a light

006. I really enjoyed this film. It shot up. It's a light 006. It could be a 5.5. In my mind, in the rankings of all of them, it's jumped three places. Yeah, it's jumped up for me too.

Yeah. In fact, I was looking forward to watching this film and I held off watching it knowing we'd be doing it for this podcast, but it's the one I've been wanting to watch a lot like that. Wow. I'm glad we could get that in for you. Yeah. But Matt, that brings us to the most important bit of business we do every other week, which is tell the audience at home what movie they'll be watching for the next movie episode of James Bonding. And I had the last, it is very, I was driving in and I was like, wait, did I pick this or did Matt pick this? because we've just, we sort of have reversed each other.

You took Tomorrow Never Dies and I took Living Daylights. So I was just like, what is in store for us next? Matt? Well, I thought about this a lot today. And I was, you know, I'm Jonesen to see from Russia with love again. I'm Jonesen to see You Only Live Twice again. I'm curious to revisit Spector, but I kind of, I don't know how you feel, but I kind of want to approach the Daniel Craig's in order so we can see how they feel

unfolding plot-wise. That's interesting. Whether we do them back-to-back is one thing, but that does bring me to my choice today, which I'm going to say, let it ride,

let it ride, let's do license to kill and close out this Dalton. Wow. I didn't see that coming. Nice. Yeah. Wow.

Let's see how these things pair together and his little moment in the Bond Sun. Let's hop in for the Timothy Dalton Duology. Bond anthology.

Doology. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. All right. Guys, you want to promote anything? Go for it. Well, Super Ego is a podcast that existed.

Just go on back to the archives that are available on. Stitcher Premium. And you can also find the Townland album on... God only knows. Go to your Stitcher Premiums. Use the promo code Bond. That's right. I want to promote this Scotch.

Matt and I have a band called Corom Bandels. It's pretty cool. So you and that have a band. Yeah, it's for silly fun times. And Joe Plummer. And Joe Plummer. Not Joe the Plummer. You're wearing a Shins shirt. He was in the Shins.

Nice. And also, buy Tijuana Panthers stuff. I want to promote the Google search for Trebans. The car. Just T-R-A-B-A-N-T. T-R-A-B-A-N-T. Have you... Purchased one.

Thought about purchasing one. I have a model. I have about three models. Yeah. Like from the Japanese market where you can't get them over here. Like a Tamea? eBay. You know, die cast metal.

Yeah. One's in the package still. But they're great-looking cars. I think we should pitch in and buy them one for probably a thousand dollars. We could get a decent one. And then $10,000 to get it over here? Yeah, well, we'll talk about logistics. There are a few at the Vendé Museum over in a cold

City. I know that. I know. Matt, have you given any thought what our next in-between episode will be? You know, I was driving in today and I was thinking about it. We're going to get to some of the outsider movie reviews, but you're out of town right now, so we've got to go to get back. I have got to say I really thoroughly enjoyed our mailbag episode. I think our listeners did a great job. I like that, too.

Yeah, there were some great questions. There were things like asking us which Bond movie we could survive if we had. had to live it, asking us things like, I mean, we just talked about how handsome some people were. It was a hoot. You should go back and listen to that. If you're Jonzing for James Bond and Matt and I's opinions on the whole thing, that's a great way to go. But I got to say, this encounter with John Reese Davies has really got me thinking that we might, we might want to dive into an Indiana Jones in the middle of this thing. Oh.

And did comparisons? Yeah, we just had some horses and some tanks. And I have this weird belief that the most enjoyably rewatchable Indiana Jones movie for me is the Last Crusade. For me, it's strangely Temple of Doom. I mean, obviously Raiders is the finest one. I mean, there's a little part of me that thinks, should we just do a Last Crusade, talk about the Last Crusade, And just see what that does. And call it Indiana Jonesing.

A spin-off of James Bond. All right. So, I mean, we're just throwing ideas up there. Yeah, we may or may not. But I think that's something we will want to tackle at some point. Yeah. And we'll get back to some more rankings because those are hot ticket items. Everyone loves a ranking.

That episode, that's the biggest out of the gate we've ever done. It's amazing. The cold open rankings. And if you haven't listened to James. James Bond by the numbers yet. Oh, Walt Hickey. Great. We dive real deep.

Have you ever ranked the knockoffs or gone over all the knockoffs? No, I mean, it's another... We're going to cover some of them, yeah. The beauty of us having to do 50 of these this year is that there aren't that many James Bond movies, so we've got to fill it. And the podcast is going to suffer in quality. Maybe you could explain some of the card games that they play in the movie. It's like in Goldfinger.

Well, you know, like go through the... rules. The big slot machine trade show was today at the Sands Convention Center in Las Vegas. And boy, if they didn't debut three licensed James Bond machines, we got ourselves a goldfinger machine. We got a Diamond's or Forever machine. We got a casino royale machine with... Suddenly, for the first time of my life, want to go to Las Vegas.

I mean, it's... So the second those hit the floor. Matt and I will be there on the scene. Wow, that's a big promise. You kidding me? I have an idea for an episode as well. Do you drink these days or are you not drinking? We should have...

He said grueling. We need to have like a craft cocktail person come and make us a bunch of cocktails from the Bond films and we get progressively drunk throughout the episode. That's a great idea. That's how I got to know James Bond is we used to go over to Matt's House in Long Beach you have like Bond Mondays or whatever. I remember that too. That was a very good time in Long Beach when we were,

I believe Matt was supposed to read every Shakespeare play and instead changed it to watch every James Bond. Well, that was the first time through 1990 High Five. But whatever drink was in the movie, like was Bud Light or Budweiser in Diamonds Are Forever? No, Red Stripe. No, that's Dr. No. Oh, but Diamonds Are Forever.

was Budweiser, I think we drank. Because there was a lot of Budweiser and Diamonds are forever. Let me tell you, nowadays you'd be drinking a lot of Hynequin. Yeah. Yeah. We slammed back mint juleps for Goldfinger. I don't remember

Goldfinger, but I remember the mint juleps. That's a fun idea, but yeah, go through each movie and drink. How could we see if we could get, we could have, do you think we could do 25 cocktails? Drink 25 cocktails? No. At what point do you think we are, like, what movie do we get to where we're like, we should stop recording?

What's the second movie? For me? Doctor, yes. I think honestly, I think I could make it into Roger Moore. Well, I would make it. I would be for shit. Boy, this sounds like a thing. And as always, get a designated driver or take a lift or an Uber.

Don't drink and drive kids. Use the coupon code bonding. Get your drunk history buddies to come for that episode. We should because I actually had Eric Edelstein and Steve Berg drunk history veterans on. I was there too today to talk about Twin Peaks, and they would make a great guest for this show. So maybe we should have them on. Oh, no, Eric's not drinking anymore. This is the water.

Yeah. This is the well. Drink force. All right. We got a lot of ideas, guys. We'd like to hear from you. What do you want to see from the next James Bonding or these in-between episodes? If you have any ideas, let us know, and we'll hopefully get to everything.

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