James Bonding - The Man With The Golden Gun with Emily Schmemily

Episode Date: November 29, 2023

Head of Social Media, Emily Schmemily, joins the boys for a frank but loving discussion about one of the slower Bonds. Also, there's some Star Wars. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more inf...ormation.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Matt and Matt and James Bonding Podcast. Welcome to another exciting adventure episode, Excursion into the deep, deep world of James Bond, where anything could go wrong because tonight, for the first time, I'm recording this on Pro Tools, and I don't know what I'm doing. This year instilling a lot of confidence. Welcome to James Bonding. I'm Matt. I'm Matt as well.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Tonight, our special guest who's part of the James Bonding family. You know her as our social media expert, we call her S. But it's Emily Schmemmeli. We're going with Emily Schmemily. Yeah, that's the name I use on the internet. That's a great name. I wish I had fucking done an internet name.
Starting point is 00:00:48 I hate people. Well, it would be, if we did that, we be Matt Schmatt. Matt Schmett. We both be Matt Schmett. Emily Schmememily has a better ring than Matt Schmatt. Or what if we were Matthew Schmatt? Matthew Schmathew. Matthew Schmathew.
Starting point is 00:01:02 That's better. What if I was just Matt Shmira? Did you ever consider going by Matthew? You know, I thought about it and then it just, everything just said Matt on it by the time I was like, for me it was too like, hoity, to-y, not that Matthew's like some, whoa, what an amazing. It's not like Joffrey. You know, I took a look at the opening credits to friends, and I was like, Matt LeBlanc. Matthew Perry. Right.
Starting point is 00:01:35 Matt seems easier. It is. Yeah. I think Matthew sounds like a little boy's name too. It does. Yeah, it's either a little boy's name or like just a, someone a little too high and mighty or something. I actually had the first episode this season of the Goldbergs.
Starting point is 00:01:50 My name and the credits was Matthew, and I had them change it to Matt. Who took the liberty to make that call for? Apparently on their paperwork, it said Matthew, but I was like... That's my legal name too. According to the Writers Guild, though, I'm just Matt. What's on your driver's license? Matthew.
Starting point is 00:02:07 Yeah, me too. Yeah. Anyway, that's it for tonight. Thanks for listening. Thanks for listening to the man and lady with the terrible name ideas. It's a terrible idea. Let's check in with Emily here. Is so much better sounding than Shmathieu.
Starting point is 00:02:26 I know. What's the state of James Bonding, Communications, Headquarters, how's social media going, all that stuff? It's gone good. We get steady stream of tweets. Email slowed down a little. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:39 Well, we haven't really ever, we don't plug the email anymore ever. No, we don't. And people have probably realized that they weren't getting a response, although probably they do for you in some form. I try to respond to all of them, even if I'm just saying, hey, thanks for writing in. See, look at that, everybody. That's more than they're getting from mine. That's very true.
Starting point is 00:02:57 So S Branch is going along strong. Yeah. was the reaction to last week's podcast positive negative where were they on our gadget episode? Oh, gadgets, right? It's always, it's pretty much always mostly positive. Oh, good.
Starting point is 00:03:13 There was a few like, hey, why didn't you talk about this gadget? There's always a little of that. You know, we tried to explain it to everybody what list we were looking at and going off of. Yeah. You can never please all of the Bond fans. There were a few people who were smart enough to blame not you guys, but the James Bond's like for that.
Starting point is 00:03:28 Oh, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, thank God. Well, that wiki was like an exhaustive list. It was crazy what they were considering gadgets. But then you're saying maybe we missed some gadgets? There were a few people who, I know the smart blood was one that specifically came up as people were wore away.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Oh, I'd buy that, yeah. At least the little thing that goes in there. Yeah. Or is that, oh, well, I'm thinking of Casino Royale, but Sky Falls Smart Blood. Yeah. Or Specter. Specter. Specter.
Starting point is 00:03:54 Oh, yeah. That's so dumb. I'm glad we didn't do that. Yeah. But, yeah, Emily, you're on for quite a special treat. It's one of our favorite scores. That's true. Yeah, other than that, I think we all were talking a little bit about how this one left us feeling a little blah.
Starting point is 00:04:17 That being said, relative to the other James Bond movies, I would still watch this movie any given day, any given Sunday, especially more than a football, if that's what that movie's about. It is. It is about football. Even with the Super Bowl being yesterday. I'd still watch this over the Super Bowl. That's reasonable. I did watch this over the Super Bowl. I tried to watch this on the plane, and I realized that I didn't have it on my computer. So what did you do? I got it today and watched it this afternoon. Oh, wow. While Dory was recuperating from egg retrievals. I was like, you know what, you go ahead and relax. I got stuff to do. I get two hours and five minutes of James Bond to watch. Honey, I need you with me right now. No, no.
Starting point is 00:05:02 Sorry. Honey, this is something we're both going through here. I know I'm bearing the brunt of this. I understand. You're telling me you're going to watch a James Bond movie right now. What can I do? I got to do the podcast tonight. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Which James Bond movie is it? It's the man with the golden gun. I'm pregnant. Oh, wow. Wow. That's exciting how that worked. So many steps were skipped. Well, it's 1974 or five this movie.
Starting point is 00:05:27 Come on. We should know that. Four sounds right to me. I'm going to say 74. Okay. Just because of the sheer amount of disregard for sensitivity towards little people or Southeast Asians. I think my 75 is started to go, wait a second. Yeah, well, they outlawed it all in 75 for sure.
Starting point is 00:05:48 In response to this movie, in 74. I think this is Roger Moore's character, this is 1974. His character is at his worst in this movie of any of them. He's a horrible person in this film. Yeah. In many ways. Well, I mean, he is not to be a Roger Moore and the man with the golden gun defender, but, you know, that I'd always like that mod to Adam's situation I'd always stuck in my head, right? Of the, um.
Starting point is 00:06:18 The slapping? The slapping and then the arm twisting. And I was like, this time I was like, well, she does point a gun at him. Because he's watching her in the shower And she doesn't even know he's in there All right He walks into a stranger's bathroom Sees them in the shower and his only reaction is to get a big smile
Starting point is 00:06:41 Hell yeah Time to do some peepin His main reaction is I gotta get a wall lean on over here What of his door? Well yeah And then he gets Then she gets out
Starting point is 00:06:56 And he still leers at her through a mirror. Like, he's like, oh, aren't I clever? He gets a smile on his face that is less like I get to see a naked lady and more like, I'm gaming this system even further. It's more like, you've done it again, James. Yeah, this one. And then the amount of times the phrase pointy head is used is, I mean, we should just get all this out.
Starting point is 00:07:20 All by, um, J.W. Pepper. Yeah, well, that doesn't. So that's totally in character. Via the writers, via the producers. Everybody signed off on that. that, yeah. I mean, do you think they were just like, how awful can we make him? He is a Southern sheriff.
Starting point is 00:07:35 Yeah. Southern Democrat, Dixie Krat. Clearly stated by him in the film. We're Democrats here. Yeah. So that is awful. And, you know, here's another attempted defense at Roger Moore's character in this movie when he tosses that young lad off the boat.
Starting point is 00:07:56 I think it's for that boy's safety. Now look, see, going into this, I knew my two big problem spots when he slaps Mott Adams and when he tosses the boy off the boat after the boy helps him basically saves his life. Yeah. So this time the shower thing really stuck out to me because, like, you know, because you're just always thinking about the slap, but the shower thing is pretty creepy. But this time I recognize that he throws the boy off the boat in exactly the path of the other oncoming boat. Yeah. I noticed that as well. But in fairness, he also seems to really enjoy himself as he's doing it.
Starting point is 00:08:37 Yeah. He cracks like a big smile. Like, check out this clever thing. I think it's another thing where he's very proud of it again, James. Oh, boy. You're on a roll. This might be your best mission yet. Hong Kong is really your wheelhouse, isn't it?
Starting point is 00:08:53 Okay, so those are out of the way. Now let's talk about this film, the man with the golden gun. Yeah, all right. So we, uh, interesting opening sequence because we only see James Bond as a dummy. Yeah. We see the guy who, correct me if I'm wrong, is the same man from Diamonds or Forever. That's right. Who doesn't know there's a pool down there.
Starting point is 00:09:11 Yeah, I didn't know there was a pool down there. He's there, uh, shows up to beautiful locale. I would say one of the most James Bond locales of all. It is incredible. You know, they called them the James Bond Islands. That's right. Is this Pouquet? Is that where that is? Oh, you're asking the wrong person.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Okay, Emily? You're asking a second, wrong person. Okay, internet? Who cares? I just recognize it as where Waylon and James go to find Elliot Carver's stealth boat. You're giving those islands identity of Tomorrow Never Dies over the man with the Golden Games. I sure am. Bold.
Starting point is 00:09:55 You're taking a lot of unpopular defenses tonight. It's about time I had someone on this show who agrees with me about Pierce Brosnan's greatness. That's 100% correct. I also agree that Tamar Never Dies is the best Brosnan film. Yes. Yes. That's two to one. Yeah, I'm sorry, Matt.
Starting point is 00:10:17 Matt is leaving the room. He's finally. He's fine. This is not fair. Here's the thing with that movie, though. Tomorrow Never Dies is like such a great Bond movie. He's always one step ahead. He's doing James Bond work.
Starting point is 00:10:35 Marty, unsolicited. What do you think about Tomorrow Never Dies? Oh, I think it's the worst Bond movie. Two to two. Let the listener inside. All right. It's a tie. It's a tie.
Starting point is 00:10:51 But I really, you know, I love that movie. Emily does as well She gets me You don't No No I love We got a lot of good things
Starting point is 00:11:04 Right out of the gate in this film You got a third nipple Yep You got knick-knack Tabasco Oh yes The first line I'd forgotten that it was the It's literally the first line
Starting point is 00:11:13 It is absolutely 100% The first line uttered in the movie And if you watch it with closed captioning on They add another word to it What do they add? They add hey before? Hey. Yeah. It says,
Starting point is 00:11:26 Scaramanga, colon, hey, knick, knack, Tabasco. That seems too informal. I don't like that. Yeah. I just like that he's just yelling knick-knack. And he's eating clams or oysters. Do you think... Check, check, check.
Starting point is 00:11:41 Check. Check. Checking. Check. We're back. All right. Well, it's a real exciting night here because now we're recording in garage band. Well, Matt, we can't all be pro at using tools. No, but we can be a garage at using Baird.
Starting point is 00:11:59 That's right. Anyway, we were talking about... Talking about Nick Nack Tabasco. And we were talking about the fact that a word is added to the close captioning, which is, hey, and how that seems unnecessary. Do you think they were just like, people will be so confused if they are hearing impaired and watching this film that someone would just yell Nicknack Tabasco? Yeah, because you might not know that's a name.
Starting point is 00:12:22 Yeah, they'd think, oh, maybe. Maybe this is a knick-knack paddywack situation. Yeah. Maybe starting a riddle. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, they never finished the riddle. This is the worst we've ever seen.
Starting point is 00:12:33 I'm very curious to go back and read or hear what the first line of every James Bond movie is. This has to be the weirdest. But I bet it's a lot of like... It might be the weirdest line in all of James Bond. Or cinema history. Because it's just like you're introducing the main villain of the movie. The title character. He is the man with the golden...
Starting point is 00:12:53 gun. Right. And the first words out of his mouth are begging his butler to bring him a hot sauce. Ordering. And like, not begging. Right. Like, there will be hell to pay if I don't have Tabasco. And who knows if that's, I just feel like the advantages of having a knick-knack around.
Starting point is 00:13:12 You know, he seems to be very, he fits in a suitcase. He can steal solar plexes. What is it? Solex agitator. Solex. I thought Solarplex was right. I was 100% behind that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:13:29 That's a muscle, isn't? Or like an area of, yeah, something. Whatever it is. You got knick-knack there to sneak around and take it out of bodies without people noticing because he's so small. Yeah. He gets to use the small TV.
Starting point is 00:13:43 That's next to James Bond's big TV. I love that moment. When they're checking their ties and he just looks up at them, that is that moment with Hervey Villages and when he waves to him in the car. as it's about to fly off. Yeah. And so you see the profile of Christopher Lee, but Nickknack is just doing a little like,
Starting point is 00:13:59 like butterfly wave, little tinkle wave with this little like that grin. Oh, that was killing me. There are some good moments in this film. He's in good shape too. When he has a shirt off, when he has a shirt off. He's got a little pectorum.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Yeah, he's like, looking good. He's got some definition of his shoulders and his biceps. Yeah. I mean, you know, if he, I just wish he did ever, he didn't drink himself to death. He would have been around for a long time.
Starting point is 00:14:21 He didn't drink himself to death. He shot himself. Well, he did he did. Well, he drank himself to the point where he wanted to shoot himself in the head. Is that not? Well, I think it's because he didn't, he suffered from that condition where his insides were growing sort of normally. Well.
Starting point is 00:14:35 That's horrifying. I didn't know. That was a thing. Let me double check that. That's not something you want to just. No, that sounds right, Matt. Let's move on. That sounds like a definite thing.
Starting point is 00:14:45 How did Nicknack die? His name's not Nickknack. His name's Harvey Village Sheds. Come on. Yeah, he really. carries this movie in a lot of ways, I think. Yeah. Oh, he's so good at this.
Starting point is 00:14:57 He is the best part of the movie. Yeah. Like, by far. He's the most interesting, well, by far. I think Christopher Lee's performance is excellent. Yeah, I'll agree with that. When he's chit-chatting, when he's suave, when he's Christopher Lee. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:08 I always forget that there's a young Christopher Lee. I always imagine Christopher Lee is the old Christopher Lee, the, the... Count Duccoo of it all. Villages was suffering from chronic pain due to having normal-sized internal organs putting increasing pressure on his small body. According to self, Villishe's often slept in a kneeling position so he could breathe more easily. I used to do that too. When you said according to self, though, I thought he had sort of just diagnosed himself in his condition.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Self magazine, but I thought that at first, too. Oh, poor little. Do you know what this is? Is my organs? He has the same size as everyone, but I have tiny. His heart was too big. Oh, that's so true. Yeah, back to Christopher Lee's
Starting point is 00:15:55 suavness. He's just really, he's very impressive in this movie. He is, and he's so tall and lean, like he's just statuesque. He's handsome, too. He's very, like, debonair in a way that I find Roger Moore not to be. Well, yeah, Roger Moore's a little bit more
Starting point is 00:16:15 maybe suave or dandy. Yes. Definitely dandy, fine. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Christopher Lee's a little bit more, I don't know. Elegant.
Starting point is 00:16:25 Yes. Even with a third nipple. Especially with the third nipple. What are we so? Okay, it opens with him. It opens with McNack. I like that McNack has to set these assassination games up for him. Yeah, but he does it because if he finally succeeds, he gets to keep all that stuff.
Starting point is 00:16:43 So he's doing it out of pure malice and murder and greed, basically. But also, like, that's what Scarabondi. want. I know. So ultimately, my question, I guess, I'll put to both of you is, do you think Nick Nek really wants him to die, or do you think Nik Nek really just wants to do a good job? I have some thoughts on this. Please. Something I'd never noticed before watching the film, but seemed very obvious to me watching it now. They're definitely having sex with each other. Oh.
Starting point is 00:17:12 The way that Nik Nekh plays with him, he's having so much fun. I think they very much have a dominant. Wait, who's the Dom? Nick Nek. Nick Nek is for sure the Dom and Christopher leaves his sub. That's 100% the vibe. I get. It's just such an overwhelming vibe I get from the way Nicknack plays with him and really enjoys sort of toying with him and saying,
Starting point is 00:17:36 uh-uh, that gun cabinet's locked. Like, you know what? When you think of it, it does have like a master blaster from Mad Max or more to the point like Penny from Inspector Gadget of like, Maybe knick-knacks really pulling all the strings and is the mastermind? Interesting. Are you saying Penny is behind everything and not Mr. Claude? Well, Mr. Claus is behind the evil deeds.
Starting point is 00:17:59 Penny's the one solve in the case. Oh, well, yes, that's true. Yeah, I mean, it was a other side of the same. I thought she was just like putting her uncle in danger constantly. Well, that'd be interesting on a rewatch to watch it under that. Yeah. Yeah. That might finally make this movie a little more interesting.
Starting point is 00:18:16 Yeah, I mean, they're really. relationship is, it's hard to put a finger on as to what if he, but so, okay, so having taken that away from it, where do you fall on the, does he want him dead or do you just want to do a good job? I think he wants him alive because I think he's too much fun. Okay. Yeah. All right. I think he wants him dead.
Starting point is 00:18:36 What's he going to do? What's Nick Nack going to do with all the money and the island? I think that's when he turns it into party island. What if he? That's when he turns it back into Herbe Villages and just, what do we mean? What if he, here's my question, what if he gets out of that mast, right, where James Bond puts him at the end of the movie, takes the boat to an island, perhaps a fantasy island. Sure. This is a prequel to fantasy.
Starting point is 00:19:03 Meets a Mr. Rourke. And it's like, you have a lot of the qualities that my old master had, or my old sub had. Same suit. And, yeah, I think he's like, what do you say, we start bringing people here for weird life lessons. for weird morality tales. What do you think? What's your name? I'm a tattoo.
Starting point is 00:19:23 What do you want it to be? Yeah, it's delightful. Something I noticed this time, too, when the mobster comes, his little gun case, and I've seen gun cases like that, but they're usually for rifles, but it just looks like he has a little gun purse. A little shabby leather gun purse. His apology to Al Capone. Hey, hell. wherever you are yeah
Starting point is 00:19:50 I didn't mean it like it's it's so it's so something that who wrote this maybom no I think Mankowitz wrote this Mankowitz no
Starting point is 00:20:06 Michael G. Wilson help on this I'm sure I don't know I mean it just it just always had his it sounds like something those two would think was funny yeah but no one else would think
Starting point is 00:20:14 was funny but they somehow kept in the movie yeah I just don't get it He's in the midst of... I think it's also like that guy could have theoretically been alive during the Al Capone reign. So today it just seems a little weird, but back then, I'm sure, like, you had some older Chicago mob veterans. Sure.
Starting point is 00:20:32 I don't know. I'm just trying to make sense. All right. But what I do want to talk about, and I know we've talked about this before, is the fact that he has a silencer on his gun, but it's full bang gunshots in this thing. And we've mentioned this before, but now I'm just wondering, I'm going to put it to you two. Do you think that's a mistake or they're like, ah, we got to have some impact? Did they purposefully override that or they just weren't paying it? No, I think that it sounds like a real silencer.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Yeah. No, this is not one of those things. Hold on. I mean, it's like, bam. Yeah, but a real silencer doesn't. No, a real silencer isn't like doctor no. That thing you hear in movies that like, that's not real. Correct.
Starting point is 00:21:13 You hear like, but this, hold on. I thought the way real silencers work was they don't really. dampen the sound, they just disguise the direction it's coming from, basically. You can't tell where there's gunshots coming from, but it's still basically just as loud. Well, that's, that was similar to my understanding as well. If your feelings are about to change. Are we about to play audio of a, of a gunshot with a silencer? Yes.
Starting point is 00:21:37 Oh, from the film, though. Yeah. I don't know what that's going to prove. It does nothing. All right. It's loading up the film. We are seeing the MGM lion. I forgot about the gangster music that plays in that scene.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Okay. Because also that third one you hear is the golden gun, and they're exactly the same. And also, James Bond movies have taken great pains to make silencer sounds in the past. I don't understand what your case is. Your case was not proven. What? That's not a silencer. He's got a silencer on his gun, and that's making a full gun scene.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Why? It's not a James Bond silencer, but that is perhaps what a real-life silencer sounds like. No, you guys. Listen, I, you know, from time to time, I'll watch a, I'll watch a YouTube video, you know, of, of, of, of, of, Jeffrey Booth, well, yes, 100%. But like, but, but the real world doesn't enter into this. That's not, like, his gun sounds exactly the same as the man with the golden guns gun. Well, we don't know what that fountain pen attachment does. Okay. No, no. What if that sounds like that? You guys are just being difficult. Here's a nine millimeter pistol with a side. silencer on it, okay?
Starting point is 00:23:01 But this is irrelevant. What do you mean? Because this is a 1974 James Bond movie. Here's it without, right? Your typical non-silence on it. And here's it with the silencer. That's with the silencer.
Starting point is 00:23:21 Yeah. But in past James Bond movies, whenever they use a silencer, it's either like the, or the... So you don't buy that they're trying to be accurate. You think they just messed up.
Starting point is 00:23:33 Yeah, this movie's not trying to be accurate. That's so true. They do had a slide whistle. Yeah. Got, that slide whistle? I'm just not ready for it. I'm just asking, do you think, let's take it, assume that they're not making it a silencer.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Do you think that they're doing that consciously or they're just don't care? I probably shouldn't. Oh, I think it's a don't care. Yeah, I definitely think it's a don't care. That's all I was after. I think it's 100%. They bring it to a guy, a Foley artist at MGM, or you at United Artists, and that guy's like,
Starting point is 00:24:03 okay, you need a gunshot there? Okay, here you go. And then... It does feel like a heavy cloud of not caring in this movie. Even in the fun house, it feels like, let's go to the prop department and see what we got. Because also the golden gun is just resting on a raven. Yeah, I mean, the whole prop house situation, the whole scaramongous fun house for me is just... I'm just like...
Starting point is 00:24:33 I mean, I get it. Like, if I had a fuck ton of money, I might make a fun house or do some sort of dark ride, but not a walk-through dark ride, you know, like maybe something with an Omni mover.
Starting point is 00:24:46 But it's so, you don't have to stop. Yeah, just keeps going. You can load constantly. Like a haunted mansion or a spaceship earth, you know, any number of these. People mover, of course.
Starting point is 00:24:56 That's probably the most famous of Omni-moving systems. But I just don't, like, first of all, I find it weird that that's clearly Roger Moore in the cowboy outfit, right? Yeah, and I think the reason for that is because they had built the Roger Moore dummy already. But then is the dummy actually right?
Starting point is 00:25:16 I don't think it's a dummy. I don't think it's just Roger Moore. So why would they have that? Maybe the dummy didn't look good, and they just were like, well, let's put a mustache in a hat with a big shadow over a hat with a shirt. But like, you don't think they could go to like the stuntman and put him in the cowboy outfit? They're like. Anyone who's not. You're like, Roger Moore, you're number one on the call sheet.
Starting point is 00:25:36 You want to hang out today and just pretend to be this dummy? And he's like, Moore got really into the idea of being a cowboy. Isn't the cowboy actually a dummy or it's not? It looks like it's Roger Moore. Okay. I won't you're right. I won't investigate this heavily. But there's the Raven.
Starting point is 00:25:55 The gun is in the Raven's mouth. Yeah. You know, if I was Nickknack, I would have hidden each piece of the golden gun. gun. That would have been fun. So that he had to assemble it. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:07 That would have been a more interesting scenario, I think. You know, if I could go back in time and be knick-knack. I'll allow it. I did discover, you know, I like the honky-tongue piano version, right? Yeah. But I like the little, the jazzier version a little bit more because you still have the honky-tonged piano in there. Mm.
Starting point is 00:26:27 But there's like a horn section happening. Yeah, muted trumpet. Yeah. I like that, too. And that seems to be when Al Capone is there. Now, the Al Capone, those people aren't dummies. Those are just human beings. Staying still.
Starting point is 00:26:39 Yeah, for sure. With fake arms. Isn't there one or two dummies mixed in? Maybe I have dummy blindness. I don't know. But for someone such great wig dar, you'd think... I know. You'd think you'd have dummy dar off the...
Starting point is 00:26:51 Maybe because all I'm doing with a dummy is looking at the wig. Okay, so that's the setup for the Man with the Golden Gun. Then we have the intro. We have the wonderful song. that explains the whole plot, essentially that he charges a million a shot. Graphic double entendre. Yep.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Is it a double entendre? Yeah, I guess it's single entendre. Him coming. You don't have explicit come references in most James Bond songs. Who will he bang, we shall see. That slight double entendre. Right in the line, yeah. The, this is I find to be the most,
Starting point is 00:27:31 I don't think Bernard Lee plays M as annoyed as he should be in this movie. No, but when he does learn of the third nipple, his reaction is so subtle, but it's clearly saying, what is the world coming to? It's also like, I don't understand James Bond's motivations for pretending he doesn't know. Maramanga initially. Like, he does this weird hesitation and then rattles off the man's biography. But I think it's because he didn't recognize him
Starting point is 00:28:11 as scaramonga. He's used to thinking him as, quote, the man with the golden gun. I thought about that too. Yeah, because there's a moment where he stops me and he's like, oh, you mean the man with the golden gun. Yeah, right. But we are, you know, we in the field,
Starting point is 00:28:24 we know him as the man with a golden gun. Yeah. Well, it's, also I like Hughes' system in this. This guy. Yeah. I found something real special. you have to look hard for. This is a super gloft or a microglop or whatever you want to call it. But there is a shot. It's like a two shot with him and Q. And it's really quick. And he's not talking.
Starting point is 00:28:46 And there's a point where he is just shaking. And his cheeks are quivering. It's really subtle, but it's so funny. Do you think he's playing nervous or you think he's actually nervous? I think he's nervous or I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Or maybe he has the DTs or I don't know. But I'm going to bring it up. This is quite a gloft. And this is in M's office? Yeah. Not when he's identifying the bullet? No.
Starting point is 00:29:11 You guys keep talking. I'll find it here. All right. I don't know why he doesn't come back. I like the idea of Q having an assistant like this. He doesn't get an assistant again until John Cleese. And I find that to be a little off-putting. I think they found a great...
Starting point is 00:29:26 Yeah, I like this guy too. This is a foil to Q. I also like that he brushes his mustache up. All right. Come over here, gather around. You wouldn't? You got to look close. Okay, this is on, if you want to look at this, the listener, it's at 1226 or so in.
Starting point is 00:29:43 He's going to be right here and watch, watch this side of his face, but it's the assistant. Okay. Seeing Bernard Lake, he's talking. It's right after this. Okay. I think he's just jealous. I think he's just jealous. I don't know, but it's like, it's just he has such a character moment.
Starting point is 00:30:07 It might be, but he has these. amazing British jowls that probably just do that anyway. That is the most micro of gloss we've ever gotten. That's a great gloft. That's what I'm here. You have to really zoom in on that. Yeah, well, that's what I do most days. Okay, so he, there's also the energy crisis.
Starting point is 00:30:26 Right, which is super topical. Which is the, sort of the, I'm confused about the plot of this movie, as I find myself now being confused every time I rewatch a movie. Well, this one's pretty. straightforward, but isn't it just strangely coincidental that these two things in the beginning are separate, but then end up intertwined? Yeah, so the way he sort of convinces M. to let him go after Scaramanga is that if I kill this guy, I can then go about my normal business. I don't even think it's that. I think he's, I'm saying, like, you can't do my six business and you're probably going to die. And then Bond's just like, well, if I see him first, maybe I won't.
Starting point is 00:31:05 Right. I think there's just this understanding, like, is this the first time Bon goes rogue? well he's not really going rogue kind of I think it's I think it's just this knowing acknowledgement that Pons like okay I'm gonna do this thing and M's gonna look the other way but is this the first one of those because there's a handful of those too
Starting point is 00:31:21 he does that in Moon Raker he does it in obviously all the Daniel Craig's no because doesn't he kind of go off on his own in diamonds or forever? No oh it's um honor matchy's secret service
Starting point is 00:31:38 he does right oh right yes Yeah, he resigns. He does. He types up a letter, and then he gets vacation. And then everyone thanks, Money, Penny. Yeah. I think this is my favorite leather quilted door of all the bond series.
Starting point is 00:31:53 It's real simple. It's red. Yeah. Do they change? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know that they change. There's at least, I can think of five right now.
Starting point is 00:32:03 Oh, my God. Are there other red ones? I was shocked to see that it was red. Yeah. I was expecting a brown. A maroon one in Honor Her Majesty's Secret Service. It's very similar to this one. but I think there's more little buttons in it.
Starting point is 00:32:15 What's your favorite button per square inch situation? That's what I'm saying. I think I like the man with the golden gun with the fewer buttons. Yeah. And I like the Honor Majesty's Secret Service is missing a button, though, if you really look at it. And the reason I know this is because I had to research this to get my own dumb door. So that was the model you used? No, I kind of did a hybrid where I said I don't want the tufted or like the seamed because
Starting point is 00:32:41 Some of the doors have the, like, it's actually quilted, so they take little squares, seam them together, and then tuft it. Yeah. I didn't want that. I wanted, like, one piece. I mean, that had to be, I mean, that's a, that's a very large piece of leather. Yeah. Is that pleather or is it leather? It's leather.
Starting point is 00:33:01 It's just one. That's one cow hide right there. There's a whole cat. There's two cows on that door. No, I don't think so. I think one cow. It could cover both sides. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:33:11 I think it's each a side of a cow. All right. Now it's making me feel bad. This is probably true, and I suppose the cow doesn't have to be all one color. They dye it. They do. Like, imagine a cow standing on two legs, I think. Therefore, we can see how both of its sides would be both sides of the door.
Starting point is 00:33:28 You know what? I refuse to imagine a cow standing on two legs. I've also never felt more dumb about having this door. It looks really good. Oh, thanks. It's a great door. Listen, the leather was sitting on a ream somewhere. You didn't kill that cow.
Starting point is 00:33:42 No, but then they replaced that ream with another cow. Yeah, well, that's on you. That's supply and demand. Okay, so he goes off to Macau, right? No. Is that the first place he goes? Yeah. Oh, to find the Portuguese gunmaker.
Starting point is 00:34:01 Yes. LaVar. First of all, I love that he's Portuguese. That feels fresh. That feels new. for a James Bond film. True. I also like how he gives the age-old excuse
Starting point is 00:34:18 that I just gave for your leather door, which is the bullets don't kill people. Whoever pulls the trigger does. That's right. I love the... Guns don't kill cows. People who want doors do. The way in which Bond...
Starting point is 00:34:41 James Bond's in this movie. Is the first thing he does go find that Green Rolls-Royce, or is that second? I thought the first thing he does is he goes, he's the belly dancer. Yeah. Right. To get the, to get, and that's, is that in Macau? The belly dancer is in Macau? That sounds correct.
Starting point is 00:34:58 I don't know, is it? Yeah, that's where, of course, we get the classic gloft of the fight shifting the mirror and see the whole. The entire crew. Crew, yeah. You see a very lazy, John. Classic. Just going like, oh, that's fine.
Starting point is 00:35:13 That's fine. That's fine. One take. But also, I find it weird that, like, the dancer has this trinket that has given her luck, and she is not sure what James Bond is talking about at first. Machon. He swallows that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:33 This is a wild scene for a lot of reasons. Yeah. And he goes to the nearest pharmacy and passes it. Yep. Yeah. The shape of that thing? Oh, yeah. I must have torn him a new one.
Starting point is 00:35:45 I mean, you wouldn't walk away from that. I think James Bond is a very flexible behind. Oh, God. I think he, I think he's ready for all shapes. Wow. I agree with that. To come, go in all around. I was actually thinking about that.
Starting point is 00:35:59 Yeah. Yeah, maybe. But you better hope that it's like pointed the right way, because it's basically barbed. Like, it's like a mushroom in a way, so you want the rounded end going first. otherwise that thing is sticking in there like a fish hook. Would you rather go that way or would you think he went and got like some epicoc and like
Starting point is 00:36:18 either way. It's still got to come up and that's going to go in or out right. Barbed, yeah. Or outer out, top or bottom. Elementary, my dear Felix. Oh boy. Do you think Bond had to dig through his own poop or do you think he had someone who could do that for him? That's also a great question.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Because it comes back clean. Yeah. Someone had to clean that. I imagine he went through his own poop. shit, right? No, you know what he probably did is like just had the hotel bellhop come up. Oh, no. That sounds right to me.
Starting point is 00:36:49 Yeah. Would you mind? There's a mind when he's talking about who would want to kill me. And M says, like, humiliated shaft enraged Taylor's. So that, I mean, it's established canon in this film that he treats staff like shit. Yeah. So it wouldn't make sense. I also want to know what the humiliated Taylor story is.
Starting point is 00:37:10 I love that line. Like how, what, how, how, how, how, how, how, how did the humiliation happen? Yeah. Where did it happen? Did it happen at like a big black tie Taylor event? Yeah. Where all the, like, maybe like the tailies. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:37:24 That would be so wonderful to see. And, you know, James Bond is presenting, uh, the taily for 1973. He humiliated Taylor so bad that that Taylor wanted to kill him. I would love that. I also like the idea that, uh, he's got so many score in decks. husbands. It's amazing. It's really just a terrific review of fucking his person. He's awful. In this one especially. It's a delight. I'm delighted by it because quite frankly, I'm not him. So I don't have to live my life like that. I can just watch someone else to do it.
Starting point is 00:38:03 It's a cautionary tale, except this movie extols its virtues. So I don't know. It's not a cautionary tale. And I don't know if either of you had this reaction, but when he is with the belly dancer, like right before he swallows the trinket, yeah. I had a very visceral, grossed out reaction to this. I always do when he kisses, and it's no different when he's kissing a woman's belly.
Starting point is 00:38:25 It's the opposite of erotic when Roger Moore kisses. It is. It is. It is. So bad. Why is that? Because he, otherwise, I find to be appealing and pleasant, but sexually,
Starting point is 00:38:35 he's so off. I think he's a... Go ahead, Emily. I think there's a thread running through the, Roger Moore movies where he sort of has the sexuality of like a 14 year old. Like there's moments where he has like a camera at Kube Ranch and he's just zooming in on a woman's boobs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:49 There's the way he kisses. It's sort of enthusiastic but not appealing. Yeah. He's sort of got this weird arrest development where he's just, he's like a child. But he's in a man's body from, you know, 50 year old man's body. Yeah. I think he's a better kisser than Pierce Brosman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:08 I'm going to go out on a limb with that. Probably. That's tough. Brosnan's so bitey. He's very bitey, especially, he always goes for the shoulder. He always takes a good chunk out of the shoulder. Yeah. But you know what?
Starting point is 00:39:18 I'm going to defend Brosnan here. I actually think Brosnan's a better kisser because at least, and I'm not condoning this, but at least his Bond kissing is slightly aggressive, which suits the character. Bond, it's not just that he purses his lips, it's that his cheeks go. He's sucking it. Yeah. He's for sure sucking in. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:35 He becomes skeletal or something. And he reminds me of Walter Donovan. when he ages in the Holy Grail. It's something. Yeah. It's off-putting. Otherwise, I love the man. And Brazen's kissing to me is also, like, funny in a way that I don't find it as, like,
Starting point is 00:39:50 gross. Yeah, it's a little, no pun intended, but tongue-in-cheek. But I feel like at some point, Brosnan was like, this is how I'm going to kiss on camera. This is going to be Mamu. Yeah, I think he does that with everything. His martini ordering, his Bond James Bonding. It's all very conscious of itself. and too much of a choice, I think.
Starting point is 00:40:11 This movie drags so hard in so many places. I cannot stress to you enough how long this two hours and six minutes felt to me. Yeah, it was a bit of a slog for me too. When he... Okay, so I love... You know, I love the scene with the gun that has the squeeze the butt of the rifle.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Yeah. That I enjoyed. I like that scene. And he's like, oh, you're great. That's exactly an inch off. And for however old your piece, it's pretty good in terms of, you know, what else this movie's offering. Yeah, for sure. As far as, like, set pieces of scenes and of acting that's happening in the scene, I think that the Portuguese gunmaker and Bond, I think, are very well matched.
Starting point is 00:41:01 Yeah. Bond has an interesting line in that scene, too, where he, like, comes down hard on the gunmaker for making guns for, quote, fingerlesshood looks. I know. Yeah. Yeah. Like that makes a hoodlum worse. Yeah. I actually think there's some, you know, argument to be made that they've got, well, you know, reason. Maybe they had bad circumstances.
Starting point is 00:41:21 Yeah. I mean, what the fingerless hoodlum situation there, I have so many questions about it. A, good for him for keeping it up. Like, he's like, you know what? I lost some fingers, but I'd like to still be able to shoot. Yeah, he's like a drummer from Def. Def Leopard, yeah. They somehow got better.
Starting point is 00:41:37 What do you mean he got better? got better when he lost his arm. Oh, yeah. Not he got better as he grew his arm back. That's what I thought you meant. Rick Allen, Def Leppard's touring right now. I'm so tempted. You should go.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Aren't they doing the bowl? I feel like they were doing the bowl. They're playing with Journey. Oh, that's a one-two punch of get me the fuck out of there. That's a one-two punch of how do I get in there? Meanwhile, I'm excited about the Dave Matthews band coming to the bowl. Oh, boy. This is where I have to turn on you.
Starting point is 00:42:06 I'm sorry. Sorry, it's okay. It's, you know, boy, ten. Manzley has decided to leave the band, take a break from the band. Oh, no. I don't know who's going to play violin. Oh, no. I know.
Starting point is 00:42:15 He's a founding member. Maybe I Tzok Pro-man. That would be fucking great if they did that. Classical violinist. Just got him out there to fiddle. Yeah. But what if he didn't do fiddle? Like, he just changed it to kind of...
Starting point is 00:42:28 You know what? It would fit with the... What I would describe as a pulpery of sound. Yeah. What comes out of the day Matthew's band? Oh, man. Hey, wank. in the morning.
Starting point is 00:42:39 Okay, I get it. All right. It's weird how Dave Matthews' song just started playing right now. No, no, that was not Dave. Did he come in the room? He might have actually come in the room. No, there was no.
Starting point is 00:42:51 Hey, guys. How are you doing? Do you mind if I park my tour bus here? It's just don't drop. Just don't drop shit on everyone in Chicago. That's the best. Do you remember when Dave Matthews was on an episode of House? Yes, I do.
Starting point is 00:43:07 That was one of the funniest things. On television. Yes, I do. I completely... That sentence has never been said before. I forgot that that episode existed, but yes, he... That might have been honestly the first episode of House I watched, and now I own all seven seasons of House on DVD.
Starting point is 00:43:21 Wow. Was Dave Matthews sick? Or was it all the victims from the tour bus toilet? Dave Matthews played a mentally handicapped individual. No. He played like an autistic piano. Who was incredible at piano. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Who was a concert pianist. It's not good. And I believe the opening scene of the sickness is he's out there playing and then he can't play all of a sudden. Yeah. Right? So then House and his team, you know, they're, they're, what are they, forensic diagnosticians or something like that? I think that's what they call them. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:54 They're SWAT medics. It's medical, it's medical Sherlock Holmes. They figure out what's going on with his brain and how to, like, what do they do? What do they? The conundrum is we can make him somewhat normal. or he can keep his piano skills. What did he choose? Did he get to choose?
Starting point is 00:44:12 Who chose? I don't remember. I think he chooses the piano skill. I think that's how it ends up. Wow. Yeah. Well, wait, are you doing an emergency podcast of Hello Frazier or whatever it is for... Talk salad and scrambled eggs for the late great John Mahoney?
Starting point is 00:44:28 You know, the news came down today, so I haven't really had a chance to touch base with Kevin yet. I know you don't literally have a slot open for it. another podcast. I don't, but I... Did John Mahoney die? He did today. I did not hear this. I'm a huge Fraser fan. He passed away today. You know, rest in peace. We all hear the blues call it now.
Starting point is 00:44:49 Draw salad and scrambled eggs. I'll miss you, John Mahoney. Wherever you are, John Mahoney, tell Al Capone that that guy didn't mean anything by it. Hey, John. Do me a solid. If you see Al Capone.
Starting point is 00:45:06 Now, I'm also dead, but I just haven't run into it. It's big up here, like a moor. One thing I do love about this film is the boat, the new MI6, like, rejiggering of the diagonal boat. The only place where they can't be bugged by the Chinese or the Americans. I love that, too. It's so cool that they did that. And man, the angles they would have had to build that floor to fit in the stair well. Did you see that where they build stairs angularly into an existing set of stairs?
Starting point is 00:45:45 That would drive my mind crazy trying to do that. I don't know. Some mathematician had to come in there to do that. What do you think of the production design in this film? I like it. It's Peter Lamont, right? It's not Ken Adam. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:45:59 I think it's one of his best, actually, I have to say. I think. I like the I guess that's his gym Yes with the pommel horse Yeah And the like The pommel horse in it
Starting point is 00:46:09 And like the The center Matt Yeah That's like an octagon Well that's probably where he wrestles Nicknack Just to feel good about himself
Starting point is 00:46:18 I must demonstrate my prowess Nicknack Please Climb me I dare you Nicknack Approach Send Steedy
Starting point is 00:46:29 You know fair you oil yourself. Now, now, knick-knack. Is this grease? I'm greased. I'm going to use grappling hook. Just wrestle me. I thought you'd never ask.
Starting point is 00:46:44 Let's get on the pommel horse. Okay. So, he finds out who made the bullet. He goes to Macau. There's a game being played that I have seen in casinos. I know this game. You go to a wishing well. You put money in a wish bucket.
Starting point is 00:47:03 Uh-huh. Uh-huh. You drop it down to the wishing well players down below, and you don't know what happens. Right. And either money comes back up or a cigarette pack full of bullets. And that's the game every time. Well, you know, this game is, I guess you're just just guessing the dice. You're guessing what's going to be on those dice, right?
Starting point is 00:47:22 No clue. But it's like a two-level game. Yeah, well, it looks like you can either play the game or you can bet on players who are playing the game. I see. That's like craps. Which is an extra level, yeah, which is an extra level of like, huh? Right. And then you add in the tiny wishing wells.
Starting point is 00:47:39 God, I love that. The little baskets. I mean, it just seems like poor security all around these tiny baskets. All I would take is a pair of scissors. And how do you, like the guy upstairs that's betting on you, dropping down his money, what prevents you from taking that money? Wait, so are you actually then taking that money and placing the bed or like a dealer? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:48:03 Has anyone? No. Do you know? I don't recall this scene at all, to be honest. Oh, yeah. Where's Maurice LaMars when you need him? It's the, so, you know, where he has the golden bullets in the cigarette pack. It goes to the casino in Macau, right? And Mod Adams is upstairs, and he's downstairs playing this game with dice. He's just betting.
Starting point is 00:48:23 But it's in a full casino ring. I get it. There was one point where the movie was kind of dragging, and I sort of abs the moment when we pick up my phone and almost just started watching the Black Panther trailer. I think this might have been at that point. I'm not going to follow you for that. This, I mean, this takes forever. It does.
Starting point is 00:48:39 And then he's out on the street, right? Well, there's a lot of repetition in this movie where he's either kind of following Mod Adams or following Scaramonga. And they hop from kind of Asian locale to Asian locale, and they're all kind of similar. Either it's Macau or Hong Kong. And it just, nothing. feels really like it goes to the next level until I think you get to the end, basically. Yeah, and it takes a long time to get to that part of the plot.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Yeah. Because then the solar, then high fat is introduced. Right. And chew me. Chew me. Which is a name that I get that they're going for something sort of suggestive, but when you really think of it. It's bad.
Starting point is 00:49:23 It's very bad. It's very bad. It's the chew me? Yeah. That's just, that's just either. lazy or? I think whoever came up with that name has a very unsatisfied partner.
Starting point is 00:49:34 Yeah. Tom McAweb. This movie is so not good. Yeah. But I mean, listen, I want to talk about the enjoyable parts of the movie. Me too. Britt Eklund plays Goodnight. She gets her on song at the end.
Starting point is 00:49:55 That starts with Good Night. Oh, yeah. That's right. And then transitions right into the, the main. Yeah, I know. She gets her an intro. But I was like, you know what? No one else never got a song but James Bond and the man with Golden Gun. So, um, let's see. Her character, I'm just trying to figure out what they're trying to do with that character. Because they introduce her like, oh, here's, here's James Bond having to deal with this, uh, what he thinks is just
Starting point is 00:50:22 a, a real dumb, dumb. And then she immediately's like, oh, no, I know exactly where these Rolls-Royces are. They're right here. That's what you get. spent two years here in the field. And then you're like, oh, okay, she's showing James Bond what's what. She's super smart, super with it, going to be great at her job. And then she proceeds to be terrible at her job in many more instances. So that part of the character, I'm like, I don't understand what you're trying to do with this character.
Starting point is 00:50:46 I don't think the writers did either. I don't think anyone on set did. Yeah, this era of Bond movies, there are certain things within the plot or the script or the story or whatever that they are just not factors anymore like things like that like they are just don't matter to the filmmakers anymore yeah well what's what's the name of the what's the of the of the Hong Kong police officer that helps out James Bond hip hip and hip has nieces who he rides around with who are incredible at martial arts yes and that's another one of these like,
Starting point is 00:51:28 bet you thought these were just dumb-dums, but they're not just dumb-dums. They're great at martial arts. That whole, I just don't, that's another part of this movie where I'm like, what, why? There's just literally set pieces strung together and Mary Goodnight exists as plot devices.
Starting point is 00:51:45 There's no character there or anything, you know. But like, Maude Adams has more character than Mary Goodnight. Other than Mary Goodnight is like a bumbling. She's a caricature, but at least... Matt Adams is very, is very much like, what's her name, and Skyfall. Yeah, Severin. Severin.
Starting point is 00:52:07 Severin. And kind of like solitaire, too, a bit. A little bit, but this is way more, I think this is way more Severini. Yeah. Up to the, like, even to the meeter in the casino, first meeting is in the casino. Second meeting is while she's showering. Yeah. Like, down to there.
Starting point is 00:52:23 And you can save me kind of thing. Yes. And I can't tell you who this is. He's such a bad person. You don't ever want to meet him. Please save me. It like turns into that. And then she also gets killed.
Starting point is 00:52:35 Right. Yeah. Like it's that like beat for beat almost. Well, she also gets killed. It's also true of any woman that in her ex-o James Bond. That's right. Anyone but the main woman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:44 To a point. Yes. Yes. I mean, the first woman he... But Britt Ecclund should have died because she was the first one he encountered. It's never the first. necessarily.
Starting point is 00:52:55 Isn't it? No, it's the... It's whoever he beds first. Yeah. Well, isn't that mod adage? I guess it is, yeah. But I don't even think that is, I think that's just usually happens. It's more like, I don't know, they're just written.
Starting point is 00:53:11 One of them is the sacrificial lamb or something. I don't know. Yeah. You seem really down on James Bond tonight, man. No, no. I love this stuff. This one is just a little sloggy. I don't like this movie.
Starting point is 00:53:25 movie. You seem a little down on the most. I like parts of it a lot, but I don't like this movie. There have been times in my life where I've liked this movie more. I think it's just in an ebbing phase for me. Yeah, I feel like the last time we discussed this movie, I was way higher on it. Yeah, I think so too. But we've also come up on movies that we didn't like before, which is why when we get to Thunderball, it'll be curious to see what we feel about it. Where do you fall on Thunderball? I haven't seen it in a long time. I remember liking it. I'm willing to bet if I watched it again, I would find it very boring, though. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:57 You got to be able to scrub through these things, you know? Because, like, they just take so long. I scrubbed a little bit in this one, and then I was like, oh, no, I missed the car. And then the car doing the twirl. And then I was like, oh, no, that doesn't happen for another hour. Yeah. But I can always find something to enjoy. Like, when I'm watching this, it's never painful.
Starting point is 00:54:20 It's, it's, especially today because I was like, oh, I got a. I gotta watch a James Bond movie. The podcast is tonight. So I'm forced to sit down for two hours and watch a James Bond movie. There are worse things in the world. Absolutely. It actually feels like a good break in my life to go up. Sorry, I got to do this.
Starting point is 00:54:37 You know, that's a welcome moment for me. I agree. I agree. I think my favorite, here's a, here's a, here's a, here's a, here's a, here's a, a Matt Meyer lookout for this. Yeah, exciting. And I think I figured out who this Taylor was. that he humiliated. It's the guy who cut his suit where he's entering the hotel.
Starting point is 00:55:01 Because when the wind blows and you see the inner lining of that suit, it's a real crazy pattern. I love that pattern. I know what you're talking about. But I think he did that. I think the Taylor did that to James Bond to be like, you're going to hate this fucking pattern. I love that pattern. What is it?
Starting point is 00:55:16 It's either floral or like a fleur-de-le-le-se. It's almost like zebra. I don't know. It's insane. You see that pattern? I did. It's crazy. I mentioned the outfit that Emily has on tonight is absolutely incredible.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Matt, have you looked closely at this skirt? Oh, my God. Are you realizing what it is? Is this a... You can see the crew. Matt just died. I didn't fully get it until I saw the Nibu to the Nibu Starfighter. That's a Nibu green skirt and the like bottom third of it is just.
Starting point is 00:55:53 just like a landscape of Nabu, and then your top is a deep cut. Yeah, it's like the crest of like the Nabu royal family or the Nabu government logo, or, I know, I've seen it in the movies. It's affiliated with Nabu. This is out of control.
Starting point is 00:56:07 Are you just a huge Nabu fan? I'm a huge Star Wars fan. I get it. And I honor the prequels as well, as many people don't. You know, I'm a big fan of a couple YouTube channels out there, one of them particularly Star Wars theories, which has now a million subscribers to it.
Starting point is 00:56:20 It's a great channel. The guy puts out a lot of stuff. It's really funny. to listen to him, try to come to terms with how much he didn't like The Last Jedi. Like, he keeps trying to come to terms with it. And it's very funny to me. But he, I think he puts out a video daily. And they're actually very well done.
Starting point is 00:56:40 And then for April Fool's two years ago, he always does these, like, he does these, like, what ifs and then sort of does fan fiction about it a lot of times. He'll do, like, a, what if Anakin had brought, what if, What if Annequin had killed the emperor in the throne, in the, in, in, Revenge of the Sith? What if Anakin had done that? Then he goes on this whole long thing of what would have happened. And then he does a ton of these.
Starting point is 00:57:07 And then for April Fool's like, maybe it was last year. He did, what if Anakin loved sand? It was one of the funniest things that I've ever watched. That's pretty funny. Because he tried to take it as seriously as possible. I love sand. doesn't get anywhere. Sand wouldn't get everywhere.
Starting point is 00:57:27 It was really, it was fantastic. Smooth. Boy, now I just want to talk about the Star Wars prequels. Where do you stand on The Last Jedi? I love it. I really enjoyed it as well. I think it's really good. I've seen it four times in theaters.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Oh, really? I only saw it the one time. I really do want to see it a second time because I think I'll come around on this. Now, Matt's inhaling because he's like, I really don't want to go through this Last Jedi thing again. So we'll spare your feelings bad. we'll make it very quick. But I like... The middle of the movie, I think, could disappear and I wouldn't be bothered.
Starting point is 00:58:06 That's kind of my felt the first time I saw it really grew on me. I mean, I always liked the middle of the movie. I just felt like it didn't necessarily fit. Yeah. But the more I watch, the more I'd like it enough to not care. But it's also like you have expectations going into a Star Wars movie. And if you go into a Star Wars movie expecting a thing, and there had been so much debate over this like what's going to happen.
Starting point is 00:58:24 Who's Snoke going to be? Who are raised parents? Blah, blah, blah. What's what happened to Luke? I think you go in with expectations and then you see it and it doesn't give you those expectations. It gives you something wildly different from those expectations. I think your initial reaction is going to be very like, what was that?
Starting point is 00:58:39 So I think watching it a second time, which I have not done yet, I think would be, I would love to do that. So Matt, I'm going to take you out a second time. We're going to see it a second time, buddy. Sounds good, buddy. Never mind the Star Wars outing. Oh, right. Whoa, we see the solo trailer?
Starting point is 00:58:55 Yeah. What do you think? It's pretty underwhelmed. Yeah. Kind of agree. Yeah. I really wish they'd just made a Landau movie instead. Oh, for sure.
Starting point is 00:59:04 Well, maybe they can now. Yeah. Maybe you're going to be like, this is, I'll tell you what I did like in this, in this trailer situation. I think Chubaca looks fucking great. Yeah. He looks like, I think he looks more like Chubaca than Chubbacca looked in Last Jedi. Well, he's an old man in The Last Jedi. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:21 The Wookies live very long. is not a period of time that he'd age. 200 years. Yeah. Yeah. How old is, how old is, uh, how old is, uh, how old is, uh, how old is, how old is? He's got 40 years between Han Solo, maybe 50 years between Han Solo and Last Jedi. Yeah, how old do we, how old do we suppose, Chewbac is? That's a quarter of his life.
Starting point is 00:59:41 Now that all the legend stuff is non-canon, I don't know how old Chewy is. You can find it if you just go on Wikipedia, because it'll say like what year the Last Jedi is about, so you can compare it to that one of them. Wikipedia, if it's, covers anything better goddamn cover the age of two. The whole thing was actually the servers are on Kashik. Did you know that? I love that this is saying a lot about the man with the golden gun that we're sitting here
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Starting point is 01:03:12 Not to mention Paul F. Tompkins, former guest of the show. Mad and Did anyone follow-up question regarding our social media? Did anyone brush at us discussing Star Wars prequel stuff in the last episode? Not that I saw. Okay. What did we discuss? We talked about Duku and like...
Starting point is 01:03:36 I forgot. It was early in the morning and it was hung over. I just kept, I always, here's what I'm doing slowly over time is I'm trying to turn this into a Star Wars podcast. Now, Matt doesn't know that. Yeah. But I also don't. mind now. But I just have like, I've done such deep dives into Star Wars as of late.
Starting point is 01:03:54 And if you want to make this episode, you're pivot. I think you're not going to have a more receptive room. And besides, I think you've already done it. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much. Oh, the other, the other Star Wars theory thing he did, April Fool's one, was, what if, what if Obi-1 had bought the death sticks?
Starting point is 01:04:15 I'm sorry. It just cracks me up. up. That just cracks me up. That guy has a million subscribers. I can't understand it. But there's a bunch of me out there watching this very late at night in bed while my wife sleeps. I'm like on an iPad watching this guy do these videos. I just want to know what would happen if Anakin hadn't slayed these young padwats. Oh, God. Oh, God. What have I done? It's a lot. It's a lot to take in. I just, you know, I really, I can't wait. I can't wait to see this third installment. moment in this trilogy. What does JJ do? Does he try to reset?
Starting point is 01:04:52 Does he try to like... Well, it's curious because JJ's, all his strengths are setting up, teaming things up and no offense, but his weaknesses completely is sticking the landing. Yeah. And so it's going to be really interesting to see what this is. I kind of like that he has to like get a taste of his own medicine of like, all you ever do is set things up and you never land. That's also kind of like the brilliancy of Ryan Johnson.
Starting point is 01:05:17 on this. It's kind of like, all right, well, I'm just going to ignore everything you did. Tell a story and good luck with everything you set up. Or if you're going to pass me those vagaries, I'm going to lock them in in such a way that are so specific that you can't. You can't bug with them anymore. I think, you know, it's so funny to me the reaction, the reaction of Last Jedi from hardcore YouTube Star Wars. That's the genre. But that is a class.
Starting point is 01:05:47 of people that YouTube Star Wars should never be given to place. That's like the alt, right? I'm sorry. Oh, you're not far off. Like, reading some of those comments on the page. It's horrifying. Yeah. It's horrifying.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Yeah. And, um, well, I just think anybody that comments on YouTube, if you're actually commenting on YouTube, you're a problem. I don't think I've ever commented on you. You know,
Starting point is 01:06:14 sometimes I will say, like on guitar videos and, and like stuff like that, I find the comments to be very, it's a very friendly atmosphere over there for that stuff. Repair videos, things like that. But like,
Starting point is 01:06:25 you know, when it comes to like Star Wars or even Star Trek stuff, it just get, I just get so blindsided by the comments. I'm like, how can you like this thing I like? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:34 If you're being horrible. Yeah. But I just, I don't know. It's just so delightfully funny to me. We've probably talked about this before, but the thing, if I ever have the urge to comment or
Starting point is 01:06:46 tweet at somebody about some like fan culture thing. I always go go back to Indiana Jones in the last crusade and ask himself, why do you seek the cup of crisis for his glory or for yours? And it's like, are you trying to show something you know or is this really a valid comment? That's very good advice. It's almost always let me, let me disguise bragging or like explaining of some kind. It's just, It's almost always useless. That's a good filter. That is a great filter. The Last Crusade filter is an amazing filter.
Starting point is 01:07:22 You know, the other day I posted some, a picture of, from Star Trek of Jordy pointing to a display with Patrick Stewart like standing there. So, LeVar Burton's pointing, Patrick Stewart's like looking at the display like, hmm. And I made the joke of like, I was like, what you want to, I said the. Jordy was saying. What you want to do is turn left at that turbo lift. As soon as you hit that turbo lift, turn left, that's the best bathroom on the ship. That was the joke. And then someone commented on my fucking, on my Instagram feed, he commented like, you know, it's not even the Enterprise D schematic. Yeah. And I just replied to him. I was like, yeah, and then I looked at the image and I was like, okay. And then I replied to it. I was like, no, I know it's the
Starting point is 01:08:09 USS Pegasus, which they're talking about its multifacic cloak that was developed in secret against the treaty they signed with the Romulans. This brings up a big question of whether you should be able to do this in rebuttal or not, because technically you're breaking the rule. But then I followed up with the... Also, that ship has a bathroom. So it was like, it was one of those moments where it's like, you know what I fucking...
Starting point is 01:08:34 These Star Trek fans that don't think I know what I'm talking about with Star Trek. I don't see how that's... Oh, they have a world of hate coming for them. got the, I think, like, probably the highest tension level and, like, pride of any fan culture there is, right? I mean, Star Trek, probably.
Starting point is 01:08:52 Yeah. Yeah. It probably goes Star Trek, Star Wars, what, Harry Potter, maybe? Yeah, yeah. As far as, like, as a whole, the culture as a whole, you know? Where would you put James Bond in there? It's low. I would put James Bond low. But low in the high tier. Yeah. And the fandom?
Starting point is 01:09:10 I would put low in the higher tier, yeah. Yes. But the problem with James Bond is you've also got, like, that brings a special breed of kind of like that, the male sort of, you know, I'm a dashing aerodyte, learned gentleman. So there's an element of that that's uncomfortable or something. I don't know. Yeah, it's what people take away from these things I always find very fascinating, you know. Like, it's people that, like, I find that, like, what I take away from Star Trek is the, you know, you know, Gene Roddenberry's vision of the, of the future.
Starting point is 01:09:45 And whether or not he initially started with that, he, you know, ended his life with this vision for the future of, like, humanity's gotten past all these problems, all their differences, they're just looking to better themselves and through science and exploration. So I like to very much, like, hold that very close to my heart as far as the fandom of Star Trek. Yeah. And then, like, you look at, like, the fandom of James Bond, and you think about, like, the, the misogyny of James Bond, the drinking, the cars, all this stuff. And what I take away from James Bond is escapism. That's literally all I take away from it.
Starting point is 01:10:26 Yeah, same. Yeah. I love that. And, you know, quite frankly, he dresses better than most. So why not enjoy a watch or a pair of glasses? I agree. And I think I take it for granted that that's, and I think it's true, that that's how most people actually watch James Bond, but there is a small section that doesn't, and that always throws me when there's someone that actually kind of takes it as like, no, this is a way of life.
Starting point is 01:10:50 Yeah, I watch, like, it's weird because, like, I watch Star Trek like it's a guideline for how you should live, and I watch James Bond for like, no, but enjoyable to, you know, to watch. Yeah. And Star Wars is just, you know, space wizards. Yeah. Well, that's the weird thing. There's always a small group who's going to take it in a weird ways. It's the point where like there are people who watch Star Wars and like, no, Darth Vader has it right.
Starting point is 01:11:11 Like you should. Oh, that's, you know, you're bringing up an excellent point, Emily. And again, I'm sorry everyone that we're jumping into Star Wars Town here. But the people that like love the empire and like cannot get enough Darth Vader. Are you guys hanging out with these people? I don't feel like I'm all that from. Well, I think I'm just like, and maybe Emily is similar to me. I'm just running into them in the internet.
Starting point is 01:11:34 I'm just like running into these people on the internet. That's your problem. Like I was, yeah, I suppose. You're on the internet. I suppose. I was watching, I was watching a video. This guy does called Disney, Disney News, Disney. I watch a lot of Disney videos also on YouTube.
Starting point is 01:11:48 Honey, what are you doing? I'm watching this thing. I'm watching this update on the sky, the skyway. It's 3.30 in the morning. Oh, you are so, like, living in my life right now. That's a thing that happens from time to time. I will not be able to sleep and I'll just be watching YouTube. But, you know, a guy was talking about Star Wars, uh,
Starting point is 01:12:07 Galaxy's Edge, which is going in at Disneyland and Disney World, and he was talking about this place where you can find the first order. Is that the VR thing? No, it's the, it's what they're calling the land. Oh, right. It's what Star Wars Land is going to be called Galaxy's Edge. And he was talking about how much he loves the first order. And if you want to know where to find the first order, blah, blah, blah, blah. I love the first order.
Starting point is 01:12:26 I'm like, why? Why would you love these space Nazis? Yeah. It's crazy to me. Or space neo-Nazis because they, like, with the benefit of minds, I look back. Oh, let's figure out how to actually do this. We should do that again. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:40 Yeah. But that's also why I think Kyla Wren is such a great villain, because it's like, it's making fun of the shitty people who want to be Darth Vader. He's such. Driver is so good. Yeah. I was not really on board with him during First Force Awakens, but with this movie, I just was like delighted by his performance.
Starting point is 01:12:56 Yeah. Yeah. Just delighted. You're talking about mini driver? Yeah, I'm talking about mini driver in GoldenEye. Which brings us back to Bond a deer, a female, dear, Ray. Uh, Gull. Emily, don't take it personally if he just edits that entire part out.
Starting point is 01:13:11 No, I will not. But don't take it personally. But this is how we view, this is how I think each of us viewed the man with the golden gun. Yeah. We viewed it as this thing we had to get through. And quite frankly, we got distracted at many points while viewing it and ended up doing something else. That's true. There were parts that I really liked, though.
Starting point is 01:13:29 I don't want to sell it. What is a part you really like that? Well, let's name our favorite moments. So this isn't a completely negative slot. Yes. Each name our favorite moment of this film. Okay. And we take it for granted that it's third nipple for all of us,
Starting point is 01:13:42 so we'll say our second thing. Kinky. Kinky. Kinky. Just having a third nipple. It's kinky. Oh, yeah. Also, when he pulls it off after going to high fat,
Starting point is 01:13:53 there is a noise that is subtle, but gross. Yeah. It's just like a... Cool. Okay. Favorite part in this movie. Hmm. This is tough.
Starting point is 01:14:02 What if we just go quiet for 10 minutes? Well... I'm just going to think out loud. I think it's... Okay. I have my favorite scene in the movie. I've got it in my head. And for me, it's actually about performance more than anything.
Starting point is 01:14:21 Emily, you got yours? I mean, for me, I don't know if it's a specific moment, or if it's just literally any moment. Nickknack is on screen. Yeah, he's great. I know, because actually I was considering that little moment where he waves in the car is just so unique and weird. I love it.
Starting point is 01:14:34 But I think I'll actually go with the core. Forkscrew jump, that's incredible. Are you serious? Yeah. This is not a joke. What? It's so bad. Wait.
Starting point is 01:14:44 That's your favorite moment. The car jump? Sure. It's an incredible stunt. It's an incredible stunt. First time they ever used computers to map out a stunt was that. It's amazing. I mean, yeah, okay, the slide whistle's awful, but I can separate that and just go.
Starting point is 01:14:59 Every time I see that, I think it's not going to land perfectly on that bridge. And it does it. It's like it's like skimming that bridge with the exact contour that it has, and that's mind-blowing. You know, to that point, I just want to ask, and then I'll share my favorite moment in the movie. What kind of a person is J.W. Pepper that on his vacation in Thailand, he decides to take a car out for a test drive. That's what I was wondering as well. Is he buying his car in Thailand? Is he like, you know what? We can get a pretty good deal out here, and then I can still ship it and save us some money. I think he's one of those travelers that's like, I'm in a foreign country that I probably don't respect.
Starting point is 01:15:39 I need a taste of America. Yeah, obviously. But like he wants a slice of home, you know, and he's something to recognize. Let me get him his pacer. But I'm trying to think of how to phrase this. Don't anybody tweet this at the man. But I feel like if they ever did a reboot of this, Patton Oswald would do a great J.W. Pepper. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:01 You know? Sure. Yeah. Sure. And I don't mean that is, like, I don't think that's an insult, but I always hate it when people go, like, you look like this person or whatever, because he doesn't look like him. He just would comedically deliver that in a way that that role doesn't quite work in this movie. Jackie Gleason also would have been great as this Southern sheriff. I cannot believe this character came up before.
Starting point is 01:16:25 I know. Because it's so clearly a just less funny rip-off. But that's the thing. I've often wondered that before, too, but I've realized. that that whole thing was such a like pervasive character type so he's in cool hand luke basically because that was a common thing the totally bossy domineering racist sheriff yeah and so it was just like might as well been like the diner with the you know like the diner waitress with a new york accent or something right right yeah what you having yeah another cup of jawah juice
Starting point is 01:17:00 It's kind of funny to think there was a time in America where everyone was on board with like Yeah, fuck cops, right? Like, let's all make fun of policemen movies. I know. So crazy. And Asians, apparently. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:13 But I think my favorite scene in the movie is in during the kickboxing match, the Scaramanga Bond sort of sit down. That is good, yeah. I really love that. The one where Mod Adams is dead next to them? Yeah, it's an interesting scene. I think it does a lot. Yeah, that's pretty good.
Starting point is 01:17:29 There's a lot of layers to it. I like that, I love that, um, Scaramanga looked for the agitator in the, what is, isn't it? The Solex agitator.
Starting point is 01:17:40 The Solex agitator. In her purse, but didn't look on the ground. Yeah. Yeah, because her gloves down there, didn't look on the ground. They also go to a lot of competitive,
Starting point is 01:17:50 like, contact sports. Sumo, kickboxing. Then there's the like karate showdown that they do at that dojo too. Yeah. Now is that reactionary,
Starting point is 01:17:59 to the Bruce Lee stuff to enter the dragon? Yeah, it has to be, right? Yeah. But I really like, I like Roger Moore and Christopher Lee's performance in that. I also like that in the middle of that,
Starting point is 01:18:11 James Bond just buys some peanuts and Instagram is like, this is totally normal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the thing I'll allow. Guy wants peanuts. Yeah. Well, we did it.
Starting point is 01:18:22 Yeah, we found our favorite things about the movie. All right. So, well, let's just, let's just get it. into it from there. The solar the peanut scene, the the swap out
Starting point is 01:18:35 of the peanuts for the agitator and then the handing it off to good night. And then she's in the trunk and flying in the car. She's in the trunk. She thinks they're stopped. Yeah. I don't know how she had impression. Driving would seem more like you're stopped than the G forces
Starting point is 01:18:51 of flying. But I will say though, you know, you're in the trunk of a car, you're feeling the wheel spinning. You know, you're feeling the ground underneath you. Think about how you feel when you take an airplane flight and it lifts off. You feel like a gut. Do you feel like you're not moving? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:05 Guys want so many planes now. I know that's true. It feels like nothing. Yeah. Maybe she thought they were going up a very high hill. That would be moving. And then had leveled off and stopped. Maybe.
Starting point is 01:19:18 I don't know. You're a good night apologist. I feel like the noise would be super loud too. I know. Oh, it would be horrifying. Yeah. Yeah. It would be.
Starting point is 01:19:27 Yeah. But I also like them having to then go to M and explain what happened. Yes, it's very funny. So who has the agitator? Good night. Where's goodnight in the trunk of a car that flew away? Well, I found the car, they said. I feel like both M and Bernard Lee are like, oh, fucking at it.
Starting point is 01:19:50 Is this really what I'm doing now? Yeah. You'll get two more out of me. I also like that there's two points in this movie where Q was. extra delightful. And it's when he's talking about, no, no, I've been making a regular caliber bullets for a long time.
Starting point is 01:20:04 And then it's like, oh, no, no, no, this flying car thing, we were actually working on something like that. It actually is a good character choice because it almost comes out of insecurity. I know you've seen it elsewhere, but we're doing it too. I swear, job security. It's very funny.
Starting point is 01:20:18 He's so, Desmond LeWalland is so this character. Yeah. It's so ingrained in my head as, Q. I've never seen him in anything else. No, but whenever you see him in an interview, he's Q, so just like he is.
Starting point is 01:20:37 I got to ask, Matt, where are we at with Desmond Lewellyn's hands? Yeah. Oh, my God, I tuned out so much. I didn't even show. I did notice they were pretty large. They are pretty large. As he was demonstrating one of the things, I felt like, oh, if he wanted to, he could just crush that man's head,
Starting point is 01:20:54 like a grape. I have another T-shirt idea. Yeah? I keep having so many. t-shirt ideas. Some of them were doing. Some of them we're not doing. But if we had like just the outline of a giant hand. And it was a, it just said golden eye in it. And then we had smaller hands in there. And they just said minus one, two, three, four, five. And then a bigger outline plus one, two, three, four, five. Oh, so you could measure. Yeah. You'd see like, are you a golden eye or are
Starting point is 01:21:25 a golden eye minus? Oh, that is great. Oh my God. Or should we do a poster or something? That's a good poster too. He's got to have his hands in cement somewhere. Right. Right? So we can get an actual measurement. Desmond Lewellyn probably has a cast of his hands somewhere, right? I would hope so.
Starting point is 01:21:45 How do I find that? Like we're out there and you somehow know more about Desmond Lewellyn's hands than this podcast does. Please. Well, actually, if you host the Desmond Lewellyn's Hands podcast. I would listen to that podcast once. I'd listen to it the whole time. I'd be like, I'll see what this is all about. I bet the audio quality is not great.
Starting point is 01:22:05 I bet they're using like a snowball in the center of the room. Yeah, they've got more passion for hands than podcasting. I'm looking for Q's hands. I would go to the scene where they're measuring the bullet or looking at the bullet. That's where I noticed that they were very large. That's your best Q's hand scene. That's also where he puts his hand on the man's shoulder and that is when I had the, oh, he could crush his head like a group. Or is it like that man has tiny shoulders?
Starting point is 01:22:29 We don't know. Could be. You don't know. Yeah. That's before they go to the ocean liner boat, right? Yes. Yeah. That's when they, that's when they, it's after the, it's right after he sucks in the,
Starting point is 01:22:42 the bullet and then poops it out. Right. Yeah. Okay. You guys keep it going on close. I'm happy to. What's your favorite of the prequels? I have a controversial opinion.
Starting point is 01:22:56 I have a controversial opinion. I don't think that's a controversial opinion. You don't? No. that's a controversial opinion. Is it? I think if you said Phantom Menace, it would be more controversial.
Starting point is 01:23:04 No, most people regard clones is the worst. Yeah, that is the experience I've had when I tell people. Is that true? My favorite. Yeah. I like it, here's why I like it. There's this nugget of an idea
Starting point is 01:23:13 that I really like in there, which is like Obi-1 as a sort of PI. Yeah, I like that storyline. I like that a whole lot. I kind of like Hayden Christensen's performance in it because it's an accurate portrayal of a shitty teen boy. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:25 I think that works really well. I like that movie a lot. Interesting. Yeah. You know, I don't, that's probably, I think the one I've watched the least is probably actually Revenge of the Sith. That's my least favorite. I'm not just the prequels, but of Star Wars movies. I think that might be my least favorite, too.
Starting point is 01:23:43 You know what it is? They have to jump so much. They have to, like, slam so much Anakin into it. They slam so much Anakin yet, and they also, like, waste their time on, like, nonsense. Like, they go to Kashik. Yeah. There's the weird sperm opera, which, I don't know how, why more. people don't say that that looks like a sperm opera
Starting point is 01:24:02 because that's exactly what it is. Well, that's exactly what Dory and I went to today at the IVF clinic. We went to a small sperm opera. Okay, I've got it. All right. These are big hands. Results have been computed.
Starting point is 01:24:13 GoldenEye minus one. Whoa. That might be some of the biggest hands we've seen outside of a golden eye. Yeah. That's very impressive. Yeah. All right, let's cut to the end.
Starting point is 01:24:25 By the way, there's no rhyme or reason to his hand size. It does not grow. I wonder. It does not... Someone should take what we've done. Like, the shrinking and the growing of it seem to be all over the mass. I think it must depend on, like, his diet at his sodium level.
Starting point is 01:24:39 Like how many salties he's eating? I feel like if someone were to put them chronologically, you would see a trend heading to Golden Eye. But this is so far away from Golden Eye. It is, and it's only a minus one. That's true. This is 20 years before GoldenEye. I know. So his hands have a lot of shrinking and growing to do.
Starting point is 01:24:54 That's true. Yeah. These are... Shrinking. Meat hooks. And growing. And growing. and shringing, shringing, and growing.
Starting point is 01:25:02 All right, Lesgobon goes to his layer. He goes to the island and we're here for, also another scene I enjoy more Christopher Lee acting. Yeah. I love the actual joy with which he expresses his like desire to like be friends with Bond before he kills him. Yeah, he also love the piloting of that plane straight onto the shore and it's just like coming in at a fast clip and it doesn't seem like it's going to stop. Well, he's on a mission. That mission is to... What?
Starting point is 01:25:34 Save the... Good Night and the Solex. It's to get the Solex agitator back because Scrameng is going to sell it to the highest bidder who will use it for evil. And also he has a laser. That's the weird part. That's his perk.
Starting point is 01:25:48 But it's like a miniaturized version of the Die Another Day weapon, correct? Like it's the sun. Yes. It's harnessing the sun to create some sort of laser. Yeah. Right. And in, in, in,
Starting point is 01:26:02 that another day, he just wants to destroy the mines across the demilitarized zone. Doesn't he kind of want domination, I think? Well, well, what does he want? What does he really want?
Starting point is 01:26:13 Well, what does Scaramango want with that laser? I guess he just wants money. I think, oh, I think he wants money to, he's going to sell the select agitator for money. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:20 But I think he also just, like, he thinks the laser is cool. Yeah, I think the laser is just a toy. Yeah. The British government thinks it's dangerous for someone like him to have that laser. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:26:29 Which I agree with to a point, but he can't really take the laser anywhere. And also, lasers don't kill people. Yeah, he just needs... Fingers that pull the trigger. Yeah, he just needs people to drive their boats and or boat planes up onto the shore, so he has something to shoot. Yeah. That's it.
Starting point is 01:26:48 That's right. I love, too, that the champagne's there, and he shoots the cork off the champagne and runs up, like, delighted. I couldn't resist. Suggest it, too. That was there. Why not? Nick Nick,
Starting point is 01:27:01 just gets covered in champagne. Poor little guy. Which I think is a visual that Scaraman got appreciated. Yeah, I think you're right. For reasons of the time to mind, dairy. I enjoy
Starting point is 01:27:12 every scene Christopher Lee is in. Yeah. The dinner, I like their little dinner conversation. Yeah. I love that dining room too.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Yeah. It's a great dining room. It's not as good as the pommel horse, but it's up there. And then, you know, move of putting on the suit of the dummy. All right.
Starting point is 01:27:34 I wish they would have showed us, showed him, you know, changing out and in. By the way, I love that the actual danger, the escalated danger in the, in the climax of the movie, is just due to the fact that Goodnight did not read the sign. It's not because she threw the man in the... Well, as James Bond points out, didn't you read the sign? Yeah. Handle like eggs Handle like eggs Yeah so this movie
Starting point is 01:28:04 The climaxes this movie The showdown between Skaramanga and Bond Is ultimately somewhat satisfying Yeah All things being equal I would have probably just preferred them To literally have a duel there on the beach You know Yeah
Starting point is 01:28:19 But what would that look like? It would be very short Or are you saying Start shooting at each other on the beach I just run up into the... That Bond just shoots him. Just very quickly. Would there be more build-up in this version?
Starting point is 01:28:32 I haven't worked that part out yet. Let's see. Should we start a spinoff YouTube channel called James Bond theories? And it's... What if James Bond had killed Scaramanga on the beach? Actually, he did. I'm delighted by everything on YouTube right now. Guys, if you haven't gotten YouTube bread, this is not a sponsorship, but it's changed my life.
Starting point is 01:29:01 Wow. It really has. Like, you'll spend so much more time on YouTube when there is not a commercial. Is that for the better, though, for you? Do you think? Great question, Emily. Don't know. How much is YouTube bread?
Starting point is 01:29:12 Ten bucks a month. But, like, the amount of time I spent watching YouTube, it's, like, worth it. Yeah. I mean, essentially, I watch it every night before bed. Okay. But I'll, like, pop around. There's so much good content out there. That's my problem is I don't, I get bored searching.
Starting point is 01:29:28 I want ideas to come to me and they don't always. Also, I think I've mentioned this before too, but my wife and I share a YouTube channel. And she, well, she took over mine. So where I would get notifications of like Star Wars and everything. Now it's like yoga for nurses. Or like yoga, it's this yoga channel that is so specific to what's going on in the world. So it'll be like yoga for political crisis. Well, you got to relax.
Starting point is 01:29:56 I know. I mean, I'm all for it, but it's just... You can't take it all in right now. No one can. You'll end up like me with a panic attack. Okay, so... The real climax of this movie, though, is the fight with... Is on the boat.
Starting point is 01:30:08 Yeah, with Nicknack. That is the point Dory walked in and was watching this movie. What are you doing? She's like, how much longer is this? It's like, there's like five more minutes. She's like, what's happening? I was like, oh, well, he's... Nickknack is angry at James Bond for
Starting point is 01:30:23 blowing up his house and that's how I interpreted being... Going up his house and killing his... No, no. For me, it was just the house. He was just mad about the house. That really was his inheritance. And I was like, but don't worry, it's not going to happen. She's like, how do you know that?
Starting point is 01:30:38 And I was like, well, he says earlier, I've never killed a midget. I'm just quoting. I would never use that word unless it was a direct quote from the movie. And she's like, what? I was like, yeah, no, he says it in the movie. And then right as I'm saying that to her, he puts him in the suit. case. By the way, I love his, I love James Bond stabbing underneath the couch with the broken part of
Starting point is 01:31:03 the chair. Yeah, that is. I was like, that's a very, actually, very effective way if he was still under there to, to, to, to hurt him. But it's rare that you end a James Bond movie feeling for the henchman or the villain. Like, I, I see knick, knack up in that thing who he's kind of like, isn't he kind of resigned to Doesn't it just end with him just kind of like, well, here I am. Well, no, it's him saying, let me out or I'll kill you.
Starting point is 01:31:28 Yeah. But when they do the long shot at the end and he's up on the crow's nest, isn't he just kind of like... I think he's a little... I think he's just like... Yeah. That is so sad. I'm 100% on Nick Nack's side in this movie throughout the whole thing. I mean, he's trying to kill Scaremanga, so that's good for the world.
Starting point is 01:31:48 Like, he's trying to do the world to dread. Look, he's just sitting in the thing with his arms hanging out. in his net. Oh, and he had to be there for a whole helicopter shot. Who knows how long he was up there? Oh, my God. Yeah. No one kept records in those days.
Starting point is 01:32:04 We'll never know how long he was up there. That's right. Yeah, so, I mean, listen, do you guys have anything else to add to the man with a golden gun discussion? No, except I realize it. There's one moment where I noticed. Oh, no. Emily noticed something. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:32:16 When, I mean, I didn't, it was like, it's not like a, this is not an e-loft or anything. but when the sumo wrestlers When the sumo assassins come to kill James They've got him in a sort of bear hug And James's instinct is to grab his ass Which is weird because there's no reason That would be especially effective Right
Starting point is 01:32:37 It's just like he saw a big ass And was like I'm sorry again Notice that after that That sumo wrestler is seated Yeah And he's I guess been given the direction to cry But at first it looks like he's
Starting point is 01:32:50 kind of laughing like wow I really experienced something great here tonight and then I realized that's just kind of his bad acting then he's crying to me it looked like he just was like yeah no it was that that sort of was what I took away for too it was like what a night like that's what I was getting to my guy when I learned some things about myself what a night well it's time to rate from o zero to 007 seven being best zero being worst yeah where do you guys place The man with the golden gun. Well, I have a very firm number in my head, man. I've got one, too.
Starting point is 01:33:29 It was a little difficult to arrive at first, but I'm standing behind it. Emily, do you have a firm number in your head? I do, actually. Okay. Who would you like to go first? I get to choose. Yeah. Well, I'll refer to our guest.
Starting point is 01:33:45 Emily. This move is not as good as I remembered it. There have been times in my life where I described this as my favorite Roger Really? And I did not get that from it this time. What about it before you announced? What was, why was it your favorite? I think I solely remembered Christopher Lee and Herveyville Chaz in this movie, and I still love both of them.
Starting point is 01:34:05 Yeah. But the rest of the movie just doesn't really hold up. Yeah. It gets boring. It drags. But it does still have those sort of two great performances. So I think, I think, 004.5 out of seven is going to be mine. That's still pretty high, I would say, for this.
Starting point is 01:34:21 did still like it because I think it's a great bond movie to watch if you can just look at your phone anytime Christopher Lee and Harvey are not on the screen. If you can look at your phone and put on another bond movie? Yeah. Yeah. Just it's it's because I mean you're describing honestly 15 out of the 25 James Bond movies, the 24. I don't know. That might be a bit much. I think they're all well I mean I experience a lot of them like because we've seen them so many times at this point in our lives that like I can experience all of them like that. Yeah. There are very few that will like, no, you know what you got to watch this and watch this right um that being said Matt I'm gonna go double O2 this one is not not among my favorites and I think I realize that a little bit more this
Starting point is 01:35:06 time it's just you can see the seams too much yeah well Matt yeah you're exactly right oh I am that's right we always learn whether we're right or wrong double two yeah I was wrong apologize. No, no, no, no. This is your heart. You're going with your heart here. Okay. 002 for me as well, and I could not, because I feel like I gave Moonraker a 2.5.
Starting point is 01:35:32 And, you know, solely based on that scale, I have to put this at a half point below Moonraker, because it is a half. You go below Moonraker. Yeah, it's a half point less enjoyable to me. Yeah. Interesting. I would still put this above Moonraker. Wow. Moonwaker has more
Starting point is 01:35:47 Moonwraker has more moments. Yeah. More moments for me than this does. Yeah. This has a lot of traveling around. It does.
Starting point is 01:35:59 A lot of getting from here. A lot of shoe leather in this movie. Yeah, but not the good kind of shoe leather. Yeah. Wow. Well, Matt, very exciting time for everybody listening to the podcast because it's the time where we get to find out what movie we're going to be
Starting point is 01:36:12 covering on next the next movie episode of James a bonding. It is your choice. Well, you know, I always get a couple lined up right in the barrel ready to fire, but I like to see how the night goes. I like to see, like where we all were. What would answer? What would pair best with that? And I think we need a pallet cleanser. I think we need to get back to a solid, solid bond because not that moon raker and diamonds are forever weren't, but they're in that kind of, you know, same realm of slight campiness and fun, flighty bond.
Starting point is 01:36:43 I think we're going hardcore this time. We're going to go from, for our... Russia with love. Oh, what a treat! Yes. Oh, we are finally getting out of the 70s. Yeah. We've been in the 70s for a month. We haven't done a classic Connery in a while. We still got a handful of those left. Yeah. There's been one that I've almost chosen every time for the past three that for some reason I want to see, but I can't decide why, because I want to revisit it again, but that's not this one. You just got to feel it in your bones, you know? And then you're going to be ready. Yeah. Emily Schemble, where can people find you? Find me on Twitter at very cool. I'm a very cool. they can listen to one of my podcasts.
Starting point is 01:37:19 I do one about the Super Mario Bros. Movie that's called Super Mario Bros. Minute. What minute are you guys up to? 75? Oh, man. That's amazing. We're deep in it now. And that's the show where we watch the Super Mario Bros. Movie minute by minute, and we watch each minute the number of times that it is.
Starting point is 01:37:37 Which means now every week we are watching longer than the length of the film of just two minutes of the film. So you will watch. So Minute 74, you watched 7.4. And, well, because we record two a week. Okay. So every, so like that week, we watched 74, 74 times, 75, 75 times. You released twice a week, too. This sounds like you are, first of all, I came up with a great concept to do that to yourself.
Starting point is 01:38:01 But also it sounds like you're torturing yourself. Do you watch while you record? No. Holy shit. So, because me and my co-host, so we tend to do is we watch all but the last 10 separately, because that's easier timing-wise, and then we watch the last 10 together. And actually recently, um, Since we have the hour mark, we've been in this thing.
Starting point is 01:38:18 We're on the even number minutes. We do some kind of challenge for the last 10 watches to mix it up. Like one time we watched on mute. One time we watched the minute in reverse the last 10 times. And you catch new things when you do that? Yeah, it's really interesting. We're going to do one where we sync up the minute to dark side of the moon to see if we can just discover anything there. You should also sync it up to Wizard of Oz.
Starting point is 01:38:40 That's amazing. That's amazing. And what was your other podcast? It's called Ben Vion Spielberg for the podcast Network. on one, which is Ben Bue Network. We talk about Steven Spielberg movies. Cool. We're on to his producer movies now.
Starting point is 01:38:52 So our next episode is Back to the Future, which we're dropping on the 15th. You know, ever since I've grown my beard out for this long winter of hibernation, and I got these glasses, I've been getting a lot of, you look like Spilber. Well, you've got the hat, too. I know. My dad said it. I was walking around the, I was walking around a lot at work the other two weeks ago,
Starting point is 01:39:14 and I had had on jeans, like black, jeans, I had brown boots on and I had a white, no, a blue button-up shirt and a green canvas military jacket and this hat and the glasses and the beard. And I'm walking in, like, this security guy goes like, you're a director? And I was like, no, I'm a writer. He's like, that fits. I just kept walking. I was wearing Jod Persa beret and glasses and I had a megaphone.
Starting point is 01:39:50 Well, that sounds terrific. I can't wait to hear you guys talk about Back to the Future. It's one of my all-time favorite movies. Mine too. Well, Emily, thank you for joining us. Thank you for sitting through the lesser bonds. We're sorry we did this to you. I mean, I liked it overall.
Starting point is 01:40:06 I did. Just not as much as I remember. And the listener, thank you for going on this journey with us, whether you're a fan of this movie or no. And thank you for going to Kashik with us. That's right. That little side journey. Thank you for jumping, jumping into hyperspace there in that little book stack.
Starting point is 01:40:24 Well, I know why. I know why. I know why you have it. Well, that's from, I had it since I was a kid. Oh, my God. It's a story of Lumpy on Keshik. And I guess it must have been based on the holiday special, but it's not quite that story. Wow.
Starting point is 01:40:38 He falls off to the ledge. Oh, no. Yeah, he falls into the depths of Keshik. Well, he's a story. He is, you know, there's a bit of the holiday for a special where it's like, will he fall off the edge? Will he not fall off the edge? This is a what if, yeah. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 01:40:50 So this is like a Star Wars theory situation. That's right. What if Lumpy had fallen off of the year? That's right. He'd be lumpier. That's amazing. I would fucking be delighted if they get, they jettison everything in legends, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:41:05 And the only thing they keep from this extended universe of Star Wars is Lumpy. Well, isn't the holiday special camera? No, it's not canon. I believe it is. I believe it is. Not according to Lucas's decision anymore. Star Wars Minute, they say it's canon. Maybe they're joking, but I thought they, I thought that's real.
Starting point is 01:41:23 Well, what I thought, Disney, I thought their thing was nothing with the movies are canon. And nothing with the movies and whatever EU comes out from now on. Yeah. Yeah. But the original actors are in the holiday special, so I don't know where that fits. Yeah. That's very true, but it was, I mean, physically they're there. Mentally they're not there.
Starting point is 01:41:40 Because, like, they don't like, they're not counting droids. right, the cartoon droids. They're not going to count that as canon. Yeah, I don't know. They will, but not you are. And it's also like, did Boba Fett ever ride a dinosaur? It's a great question.
Starting point is 01:41:55 I'm willing to bet he did whether or not it was in that cartoon. Well, way to the Boba Fett movie. Oh, no. It's only a matter of time. If they do, by the way, if they do this Kenobi solo picture and they don't have you and McGregor in it,
Starting point is 01:42:09 I will be ripped shit. I will be ripped shit. I'm sure they will. Star Wars fans will riot if it's not Ewan McGregor. Why wouldn't it be E. I'm sure. I feel like there's the thing.
Starting point is 01:42:17 Why wouldn't? I mean, have you heard anything but that it will be? I just feel like, no, I just feel like they're... It absolutely will be. Maybe they want to go younger,
Starting point is 01:42:28 you know what I mean? Like, they want to be like... Euma gregor can't open his mouth without saying how much he wants to do it. I know. That's what I was... If I were Ewan McGregor, that's all I'd be saying also.
Starting point is 01:42:37 Yeah. But like, I just, I, the, the way that this Han Solo picture has gone is frightening to me. Yeah. Like, I really do worry that, like, it's off the rails. Yeah. I think it is.
Starting point is 01:42:53 All right. Well, we're all going to find out. Hello there. What if he bought death sticks? How much are we tucking? That's horrible. What was a... That was good. That was... That last one was bad. I do feel like, though, I feel like the... The Last Jedi Force Awakens situation, I feel like, even though the prequels are canon, I feel like they do their best to avoid things from the prequels because I think they have a bad litmus test of the actual Star Wars audience.
Starting point is 01:43:30 I think they think that the Star Wars audience hates everything from the prequels and it's not true. I feel like the new movies have actually done a pretty good job of avoiding sort of stuff we wouldn't necessarily want to come back from the prequel. True. True. But I kind of like the way they reconcile the universe. And I had specific examples in my mind the other day,
Starting point is 01:43:47 but I can't remember them. Well, the Jimmy Smith's thing in Rogue One was pretty good. But I was, I was, like, going off the tone of the humor
Starting point is 01:43:54 in The Last Jedi, by the time they got to the end and they're like, we've got to get a message out to our allies to help us. I was 70% certain that the Gungans were going to come down
Starting point is 01:44:04 to the mineral planet of crate and save them. I would have been down for that. I would have stood up and cheer. I would have been, on board for that too. It's better than a pork. No, I love the porks.
Starting point is 01:44:17 Do you know why the porks are in the movie? Because they had to cover the puffins. I didn't realize that until like my third watch. That's so good. All right. Well, James Bonding will return. Sorry, I'm so excited. This has been an Earwolf production, executive produced by Scott Ackerman, Chris
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