James Bonding - The World Is Not Enough with Dani Snow

Episode Date: January 24, 2024

Dani Snow from DC Comics joins the boys to talk Brosnan's third, its ladies and its villains. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Well, it's a beautiful day here in Southern California. I don't know why I feel the need to give the climate update. I always get weirded out when podcasts do that. Do you? When they were like, recording it's Wednesday morning and it's raining in L.A. Like, I'm just like, well, why? I don't know. I kind of like it.

It sets the scene. I like the mystery of like, when was this record? You want it Evergreen where I'm like, it's 11.15. It's a mild sunny day. You are going to hear this, everyone, in four days. That's right. Anyway, the point is, my name's Matt Gawley. Oh, my name's Matt Myra.

And, guys, it is an exciting. day, not only because we have a first-time guest long-time caller, but it's also Pierce Brosnan's swan song with this podcast and the order in which we've done it. This is right. This is the third

bond actor we're closing out. And we're closing out with Danny, so Danny, welcome to the show. Hello, thank you. So informal. Danny, excited to have you. First became familiar

with you on the Twitters. You were also a fan of James Bond, I discovered. Yes. Yes. How did that occur? What happened? What is your history with Bond? What happened in your life to break you? Break it down.

So I was a kid in the 90s. Sorry, Matt. I mean, it was very, like, everybody knew about Bonn. Yeah, yeah. I had definitely seen some of Conneries and some of Roger Moore. on TV with my dad. And it wasn't like, oh, here, seven-year-old daughter, let's sit down and watch this. He just would put it on.

Yeah. And I would just like stop what I was doing and just kind of watch. So that was kind of my first introduction. I know I saw Dr. No and you only live twice before the age of eight. Nice. There was a lot that I didn't know what was going on. But I just kind of was like, oh, interesting. So that was my introduction.

Actually, you only live twice because of the, like, ninjas and the rafters poisoning. Sure. Terrified of rafters growing up. Really? Terrified of rafters. If I ever had to, like, stay in a house and sleep in a house with, like, beams. Where somebody could, like, poison you in the night, I was up on it. How do you feel about thread?

It's okay. It's okay. As long as it's not being lowered over my face with poison dripping down. So you only live twice. very funny you mention this. I'm out the other day. I get an email on Saturday from Abashai Shafir my father-in-law. The

Mossad agent, definitely super spy. We covered this before. Who probably invented Krav Maga. Probably tracked down the Munich terrorists and killed them all. So he sends me an email and it just says 46831 Abashai.

46831. 466 what could right and I say to my wife I say your father just sent me an email and it just says

4, 6, 8, 3, 1 it's code yeah well so I'm thinking is it like alpha numeric is the 4 a D and then I'm like

no it doesn't doesn't spell anything so then I reply to him my wife goes oh it's a riddle he likes riddles I'm like it's a riddle so I just reply to him

stumped and then he sends the next email and I'll read it in Abashai's voice hint number one he came back to life in submarine okay so it's got to be you only live twice right so I just send back an image of James Bond waking up in the submarine

and put question marks on it and he says you're getting warmer you may be able to solve it so then I'm sitting there and this is like I'm trying to think how much time passed. So he sends me this back the next day at 7 a.m. And then I reply to him probably three hours later. I'm just sitting down to breakfast.

And it just pops into my head and I go, hang on a second. Is he talking about the code for the safe in the office and you only live twice in Sato Chemical? Is that what it is? Then I look up the scene and that is exactly what he sent me. Wow. He sent me the code to the safe. But just so you could go in a little treasure hunt and he wants to feed you riddles? That's great.

That's really fun. That's really fun. That's really fun. I will never forget those numbers in my life now. Wow. Yeah. But such a weird. I have no explanation.

Well, I think the lesson here is if you ever want to crack Matt safe, we know the code. Anyway, so you only live twice. apparently is a big favorite of my father-in-law as well. Good. Which of these bonds do you most identify yourself with? As a child of the 90s, I feel like you might... Is that the same question as which one do you like the best? No.

No, no, no. Okay, well, yeah, you can answer whatever you're like. Probably Golden Eye, just because, you know, we had the game. We had just gotten the Nintendo 64, so we were playing the game. And because of that, we watched the movie more often because of the games. So probably watched that one a lot as a kid. The level design in Golden Eyes actually, it's fascinating to me how weirdly almost accurate it is, you know?

Like for Nintendo 64 game to have the level detail, like the monitors in the ceiling at the Serenaya. Can I just admit that I probably said this before, but I've only played that game once and it was back in the day. Or like actually, I think it was in the early 2000s. We really have to fix this. I know. We have to do an episode.

It's good. It's fun. Yeah. I've heard. I was always thrown off because I think in the game, Natalia's wearing pants. Oh. And in the movie, she's wearing a skirt and tights. And I was like, why?

And I understand now it's easier in the video game. I was always like, no. I am remembering her in a skirt and tight in the video game. Am I crazy? I think she's wearing pants, but I could be crazy. Wishful gaming. I, you know, was reminded. I forgot about the world.

not enough. Nintendo 64 game. I'm not even aware of it. Which I had. Never. And it would have John Cleese pop up and tell you things throughout the mission. Sure. But like, you know, I was remembering like the whole Davidoff thing and like I remembered more of the plot of this movie from the video game.

Oh. Than I did from actually watching the movie. Yeah. But. So, Danny, who is your favorite bond? And speak freely here. You get no judgment. Oh, I know.

If you've seen my Twitter banner, that's been my Twitter banner for years now, it's Timothy Dalton. And there are a couple reasons for that. Okay. One being that I saw Sean Connery's Bond and Roger Moore's Bond when I was so young. And even Pierce Brosnan, when I was like such a kid that it was before, I was like had the ability to find grown men attractive. I was just a little girl. I was like, oh, they're cool. So when I saw Bond, it was always this like, I want to be James Bond.

Like, I want to be a spy. I want to run around, like, doing all this stuff. So the first time I saw Timothy Dalton when I was, I think I was 19. And it was just like, what? I love it. What? So, yeah. Timothy Todd was your sexual awakening?

Oh, my God. I mean, he might have been mine too. I think he's a really sexy bond. It's not just his looks, which are great, classically handsome. He's very, very, very, very suave, but with this, like, underlying, like, brutality. I don't know. Intensity, brutality. He is a very dark bond, a brooding bond.

Yeah, he's the proto-craig, I think, in an era where he wasn't allowed to go full Craig. Yeah, I mean, who can go full Craig but Craig? That's right. That's right. You're both getting a half Craig. You know who can't go full Craig? Pierce Brosnan, which brings us to today. I can't wait to talk about this movie.

I'm very excited about it. When was the last time you watched this movie, both of you, prior to having to watch it for this podcast? Most likely for the last time we did. Okay. Which I have to say, I think this is my second favorite of the Brosnan movies. Yeah, me too. I don't hate this movie. Me too.

And we all know my favorite is actually Tomorrow Never Dies, which is crazy. It is crazy. It's very crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I think I watched it last when the 50th anniversary box set came out. Okay. I bought it, just binged all of them. It took a very long time.

Well, yeah. I, like, did nothing. I made no plans with friends and just binge the entire box set. Wait, like just movie after movie day by day? Yes. Yes. So how many? It took, it took like a week because I had a book.

What a week. What a wonderful week. That's Matt's dream week. It was a good week. Yeah. But the Roger Moore era just seemed to never end. Yeah. It just went on and on.

Well, the movies themselves are the most films. That's so true. And they kind of get. I'm doing this. Now I'm on Roger Moore. And then like after I think five, I was like, okay. Yeah, I remember feeling that way with movie. Behind our method of going through the movies initially.

Remember we just didn't want to have to slog for so long to get to like Daniel Craig. Yeah. So we started going front to back and then meeting in the middle. But then what we didn't really, we sort of didn't realize was that when we got to the middle, it would just be all more anyway. Yeah, I know. And yeah, we, that's right.

This method we have this time is the best because we just alternate what we want to do. Yeah. The, I will say that I think that Pierce Brosnan looks the best in this movie. I think I agree, yeah. I think he's in the best shape of his bond life. Because he's also got a little age and distinguished gravitas, slight flex of gray. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's gone, this is Thomas Crown Affair, Brosnan.

This is the best era of Brosnan, as far as I'm concerned, 1997 to 1999. Followed by Mamma Mia Brosnan. Oh, boy. You seem to be really thinking on this. Do you not agree? Is there a more handsome era of Brosnan? He does look. He looks good.

I'm just always thrown off by the scene near the end when he like swims outside the submarine to the other hatch. Yeah. And he's wearing like khakis that are belted with his shirt tucked in. And it's the nerdiest. Okay. You'll ever see somebody swim outside of a submarine. We are. I'm going to have to moderate this because I already know that's your favorite Bond suit of all time.

It's my favorite all time James Bond outfit. But I'm right sorely in the middle here. Well, it's my favorite. It's my favorite brasen outfit, like exceedingly far and away. But I'm with you. That dress shirt and linen pants. Disagree. Wait.

Wait. What says summer more than that. No, wait. You haven't finished. When you're soaking wet, those are the type that are going to just cling to your body and look like he's wearing colored saran wrap. Who wouldn't want to cling to that body? Come on. This is peak brazener.

I do like the shape that he's in. He's in great shape, but it also looks real. Yeah. And I love Craig. love the muscle. Yeah. But it's also like how often are you in the gym? Exactly.

Yeah, I'm aware, too much aware of that. Like, he's doing that for six months before every movie. That's not the real him. I wouldn't mind a bond that was a little less cut than Craig, you know? Especially with his diet and alcohol consumption. Oh, it's insane. But he also, think about how much Daniel Craig, just during his missions, that James Bond, think about how much he's running.

that's true he does the most running of any bond and brazening alone like the amount of hurt acting jaw clenching he's doing it's a type of isometric exercise that would keep him so fit well you want when he's in that torture chair at the end of the movie all i was thinking was like did they write this in just for his acting i think he does that on his own i don't think anyone tells him to no he of course does it on his own yeah of course he does when he lands on the millennium dome Pierce, you're welcome on the show anytime. I love you. You know where to find us. I love you. And you're better than me. Okay, let's talk about this cold open here.

The longest one in the history of Bond movies. Yeah. Now, let's get this straight again. So they did this because originally it was just going to be the Spain sequence was going to be the cold open. Yes. That would be weak. Viewers said that.

I see why they did this. Viewers said that. So they cut that down. But I would like to see that extended sequence. I'm sure there was more to that, just that Spain thing, yeah. But also like, just the idea that there's so much fabric rope in that blind. And that's strong enough to hold them? Yes.

Why? How? My cats rip my blinds cord down a lot, and they're just little cats. Do you think it could support their weight if they were to jump out of a large building in Spain? I think we should test it. Let me go to the defense of cord length. blinds. Okay, please, please. Because I think what they're insinuating is that's not just the length that you would pull, that the blind actually goes up into the mechanism and across the top

and then back around is a kind of pulley system on those blinds. Now, I'm not a brazenen an apologist. No, you're not. But I'm just saying, even with that, it probably still is not enough for him to jump down. But also, the fact that he jumps out of there thinking, I've got exactly the right amount to get me to the street. And so when the man grabs the, the table that he's tied to, he's like, oh, I didn't make it to the street. I had calculated so perfectly, and he does it. I had at least another floor to go. What would have happened if that table hadn't broken? Right. He'd just chill? I think he, how far up was he? Like, two stories? It seems like at least three. It seems very far. I don't know that he could cut it and then run.

So essentially, he's getting, he's there to get three million dollars back. Cigar Girl is there because I guess she's working for Reynard? See, we don't even know. Yeah. I'm trying to, like, she is working for her. She's working for her. And no one chases him down the street. Bond?

Like, he gets the clear. He gets the clear. Like, he's theoretically right. Cigar Girl would have, if she wasn't working for Rennard. She would have gone after Bond and came. You mean after he runs down the street? Yeah, yeah. Did you notice how when he like kills the guy, the police are just very politely knocking?

Yes, yes. It's like, they're like knocking very politely. They don't want to disturb the Swiss bankers. He, he, Bernard is there. He's the sniper. Right. Because he says so as much. And so she wouldn't have killed him because.

She wasn't supposed to. Yeah, they need him to take the money to King and M. So that blows up. Yeah. It's hard to get. Right. There's a lot happening in this movie. But I will say also, it's probably the most simplistic bond plot I've seen in a long time.

It is relatively easy to follow. In the sense of, like, the villain, Elektra is doing what she's doing just to have sole control over the oil in the region. That's a clear bad guy scheme. It's not like flooding Silicon Valley so that you then have... It's very much like that. Oh, it is exactly like that. Hang on. But it's not like radiating all the gold.

So that your gold becomes more valuable. Hold on. It is like that. Yeah, I guess their evil plan doesn't affect as many people. And they don't have as many people in on it as previous movies. Yeah. Right. There's not like an army of people involved in the scheming.

But there's the potential for 8 million people to be killed in Turkey when the bomb goes off. Right. That's true. Which I like that. Yeah, the plot's not bad. And I love a lot. Electra and her kind of character arc and story, and so much so that I almost thought, like, this is the way you reveal Blofeld.

Because she actually says, I hated my father. I'm not a king. I want to be more on my mother's side, which I gather was like the Azerbaijani side or the or maybe the French. I don't know. I'm not exactly sure what she was. It was the Azure side. So it should be kind of like, by the way, their name is Blofeld.

I know they didn't have the rights to it and then, but that's how you do it. Oh, she was Blowfield. That'd be great. That would be cool. This is part of the reason why I'm glad you're here for this, because when we had talked to you about doing an episode, Danny, and I would still love to do this in the future. You said, let's do an episode on kind of like the feminism

and anti-feminism within Bond. Yeah. And I think we should do that. But this movie especially is interesting because you've got Denise Richards and Sophie Marceau, both actually strongly written characters. Now, whether the execution of that comes out. It's interesting.

So I think at least for today we can cover that stuff And then we could do a full episode on that. There's a lot. There's a lot there. Good stuff, bad stuff. It's great. I would love your input on that. You know, what's fascinating is so this morning I was watching the movie and I was reading,

I had the archive book out and I was reading through the world was not enough section of it. And I was just curious. I was like, what are they going to say about Denise Richards' performance? They say nothing. This is like they only, they literally. They literally say she's cast. They flew her out to the UK to put her on tape. She got the part.

We offered her the part. She took the part. And then it moves on to the next thing. This is like how they cover Watergate at the Nixon Library in Yorba Linda, California. And then a couple of upstart reporters meddled and got in the way. And, well, okay, on to the next phase. I think it's nice to say nothing. Because I've heard people really rip on her for her acting, which I don't think is the

acting. It's not as bad as Hallie Barry. She's not the strongest, but she's, I don't think she, she's good on camera, at least. Oh, she's beautiful. She can certainly hold my attention on screen. I think Hallie Berry's way better than her as an actress. That's interesting. I'm just talking about their performances only in the Bond movies.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Really? Yeah, if there's something about her delivery in this, that's just so hollow. It is very wooden. Yeah. But it's also like the dialogue is also. It is. That's true. It's bananas. It's like the whole point, like,

Bond is shooting, he shoots the, whatever, compressor tank so that the elevator will go up. As he's doing that, as they're trying to outrun an explosion, she then, she,

the line they've written for her is, uh, so you're a British spy? Do you have a name? Like, now? Well, she's also being held up against Sophie Marceau's acting. I think is like pretty, pretty good and subtle. She's pretty good. I really like her in this film.

She's scary and beautiful. I know. And then when she takes that earring. There's really a lot to, there's a lot to unpack with this movie that I don't think we covered in the last movie. We're going to get, I want to sort of go in order. So I'm going to get to the cue stuff in a little bit. Okay.

So, but we should talk more about this too and like your thoughts on both the characters and I think the acting performances are pretty self-evident. but as written the characters and stuff. Cigar Girl auditioned for Sophie Marceau's part. Really? Yes. She's cool. Yeah.

But the Michael Aptead said that her English probably wasn't as good as it needed to be to have all of that dialogue with Brosnan. So they were like, would you like to play cigar girl? That didn't stop Gert Frobe or the guy that played Largo. Yeah. I want to know why no one on the Thames, which has a nine mile an hour speed limit. and is constantly, you know, next time you're in London, just look at the police presence around the Thames.

No one stopped this speedboat with a huge machine gun on the back of it. Yeah, I know, they're not even hiding. And their grenade launcher. Also, the boat is supposedly not ready, right? Q's like, no. Oh, yeah, the fishing boat. But it's got all, everything's on it. It seems ready.

It's pretty ready. Maybe he was, you know what? Here's my question. Here, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, you know, my favorite thing to do here is to apologize for Bonn and Brosnan. They need a lot of apologies. And I like to do a little reverse logic on this. Here's how he's getting that boat ready. He's trying to, Q or Bonn?

Q is trying to decommission the boat. This is a spy boat, but he's like, you know what? I'm going to take one of these boats for myself from fishing. I'm going to have to take these torpedoes out, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's when he says it's not ready yet. It's not ready. This is a movie where he's like, my retirement away from you. Yes.

So I buy that. Yeah. I like it. I forget, when she gets in that boat, does she pull a cover off that machine gun or is it just sitting there? No, it's just sitting there wide open. Okay. It's crazy. Let me ask you about this.

They go to, before the boat chase, King's in there and there's the explosion. Are we to think that M and King were once lovers because they really have, like her, wistfulness when she talks about him seems more than family friend to me. I didn't see that. You didn't see that? Did you? I just saw that as close college friend. M.

And Electra's father. But she kind of just has a wistfulness and a pause. They were drinking together. Yeah, they were. And then when she talks about them and they said we read law together at Oxford and but she just kind of has this like wistfulness. And it made me think like all those people that tried to float this theory that Silva was M's son.

I think there's more of a case for electric. being M's daughter. Interesting. But it's not obviously because we know that the real mother is her other ancestry line. I don't know.

Just, you know, think about it, everyone out there and then get back to me at Matt Myra. Please don't. There is a lot of alcohol in M's desk and that scene in the beginning. I know. It's kind of striking.

I know. You know what's interesting. So here's, you know, what else I found out from this book? She did. Judy Dench did three days of shooting on Golden Eye. That's it. Wow.

She did five days of shooting on Tomorrow and Ever Dies. And she only did 14 days of shooting. She got all of this done in 14 days. Wow. Yeah, that's pretty good. She's great. I guess her locations were really just three locations. Yeah, but I mean, it's crazy to think that she only had to work 14 days.

And they had to shoot the funeral scene closer to London. They were going to shoot in Scotland, but she was doing a play in the West End. Oh, man. I would love to have seen that. I have so much information. I also watch this on Amazon Prime, which has X-ray. So when you're watching it with X-ray,

you turn it on, you get your tidbits. What? I always turn those off. Oh, no, I mean, not what I'm watching a Bond movie. Like pop-up video? Like pop-up video. I didn't know about this. Yeah, it's called X-ray.

Essentially what it does is it just pulls everything from IMDB and gives you access to it. So trivia, goofs, all that stuff. And the beauty of it is, is when you're in a scene, you just hit the button, and it tells you all the actors in the scene. Wow. And then you can select them.

Are you watching on a TV screen or? TV. Computer. Okay. Because when I've had that, I've watched it on a computer, like little monitor. Oh, yeah.

It takes up a lot of the scenes. No, no, no, on the big screen. Yeah, but like, I'm dbid hidbits. Aren't great. No. Mostly not correct. They're not great. Yeah.

Oh, but some of the other stuff comes from me reading the archive book. But if ever there was a film to have ever, X-ray. It was this one because he puts on his X-ray goggles, which I have some things to say about this movie. It's, I like it and then really quickly it loses me. And we talked about this last time, but it's something that you just don't need. And that is a boat, it's one thing that the boat goes on dry land, but that he turns,

90 degree turns in that stupid boat through alleys on pavement. That bothers you. That, yes. How could that not? How is the boat going? Is it the rockets? I think it's just running on its jet. I think they're assuming that I could understand the forward propulsion,

but like you can't steer on dry land with a boat with rudders. There's no... Unless it's like a jet turning thing, but you don't see that. No, I feel like the jet rotors, the jet should be able to turn. No, but they show the jet. It's just shooting out the straight out of the back. But those jet boats, that's how they turn. But they turn because they have to have water going through them.

Yeah. But this one has fighting. going through it. No, fire's coming out of it. There's no fire coming in. No, no. And I just feel like you don't need to be that wacky with this,

especially a woman's about to kill herself. It like ramps and does the upside down. The barrel roll? Yeah. At least there's not a slide whistle, though. I know. By the way. You know they considered it.

The more facts for you guys. The 350 horsepower engine in the boat was enough to send the boat if they put it to full, the bow of the boat would go underwater. So they were like, oh, we should write this in. Let's use it. Straighten your tie. And that's how the tie bit came. The tie bit came from Brasden.

It did? Yeah. That sounds right. See, now that I have no problem with, ironically, because that's at least a character joke. I get it. But it's just believing that a speedboat can just drive on land for what seems like 60 seconds at least.

You don't know. With an incredible whining noise. I know. You don't know what Q has going under there. No, I don't. He's built boats before that go online. But I wish they would have taken pains to show us what that could possibly be. Would you have rather had a hover skirt so it was the gondola engine again?

I guess I would rather you just, it's also a long sequence. Cut that. You already have the longest. It was longer. They cut that boat scene in half. I could suggest a few trims. Sorry, I don't mean to get charged. And then the guy clamping the car.

Right. That's an inside joke for British people. Right. He's like from a reality TV show or something. Clampers. Yeah. Wow. Clampers.

Wow. We're learning so much here on James Bonding. But then as it loses me. Yeah. I do like the segment with the like her shooting the balloon and all that stuff. Mm-hmm. And then when it really gets me back is when they go to that. at MI6 in Scotland.

I don't mean to get ahead of myself if you guys have more to say. You're not getting ahead of yourself. No? I think this is the perfect time to talk about Scotland. That set? That is my personal heaven.

It's a castle on a little mini island that's not super far out and just in Scotland. Not too remote. No, but with a plaid rug, Wayne Scotting higher than a human. Yep. Oh man, that place is incredible.

I just want to die and live, live and die there. Is this their temporary headquarters or another headquarters? Yeah, it's like their Scottish branch. No, I think what happens is any time there's an explosion at MI6, as there was. Yeah. They move it to wherever. Gotcha.

Safe. They need to move it. Yeah. I'm also glad they pulled Tanner out of rehab. Fucking. I love that guy. He's more put together in this one than in Tomorrow Never Dies. But there is a sense of like.

Like, he, after tomorrow never dies, he relapsed, went away, and then he's kind of fresh and clean in this one. Is he didn't die another day? I forget. He's not. Oh, see, he's banging, you know. I like Tanner and Robinson, you know, I've always said this. I'm a big fan of Tanner and Robinson. I like them, too.

You know, Samantha Bond never has really done it for me as Moneypenny. Even when she's wearing a coat the same pattern as the rug? All right. Blackwatch. She's the worst written Money Penny, I think, of all of the MoneyPenny's. It's just innuendo, innuendo, innuendo. I agree. It's, she's very thirsty for Bond.

Which Moneypenny's always like into him, but it's always seemed a little more wholesome before. It's like, flirtation. She is like down. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. And it is a little much. Yeah, you're right. I've never noticed that before.

Like with Lois Maxwell, it's like she knows nothing's going to happen so it's harmless flirting. With Samantha Bond, you do. feel like. It's a little weird. Yeah, she's, she's not only wants it, but she's pursuing it. Yeah. I like the actress. I think the actress is great, but you're right. The character's written so two-dimensionally for her. It's very, um, there's, I'm trying to think of the, it's the, her dialogue does nothing in the story at any point. It never, she never hands him tickets to Jamaica. She never, like, does anything that, pushes the plot forward, which is what Moneypenny usually at least will say you do it M's office at 6 or something.

She does something to thrust the plot forward. But in this movie, she's very, I know where to shove this cigar, wink, wink, nice nudge. Or she gets territorial with the doctor too. I love that, the shade. It's super, super bitchy and like very, like, shaming. Yeah, I know. And did you see the doctor after she says that just kind of follows her out but like kind of just defeated. It's, yeah.

But she's mad, right? Because she's never got to sleep with Bond, but yeah. Doctor, what is her name? It's like Dr. Warm Flash. Yes. Oh, boy. Meaning.

Doctor what's bad about it. That's what I'm like she's pre premenopausal? Yes. Wow. I don't know. I don't know. Holly warm flesh. I don't get that joke.

Yeah, I don't either. That's, yeah, that's not a good... Molly, warm flash. Yeah, this is amazing. Well, guys, she's 5 foot 7, 112 pounds. This is character information on the James World Wikipedia. For Moneypenny or Warm Flash? She's an ally.

Warm flesh. Warm flesh? Warm, I'm sorry, Flash. Warm Flash. Molly, warm flash. She's only in this movie and in the novelization. and Serena Scott Thomas, I do know this, guys. Wait, is she related to Christian Scott Thomas?

No. She kind of looks like her. She is, sister. Oh, wow. I had to scroll down. I had to scroll down. But she, they said they were going to get a body double in there. And she was like, no, I'll do it.

For what, though? Taking her skirt off? Yeah. They were going to get her a butt double. Oh, yeah. And she was like, no, I can do this. Don't worry about that. That was a very strange scene.

Like, he's being examined by a female doctor, so you assume, okay, he's going to, like, say something, make a move, but just takes her skirt off. I know. It's just like. But it does seem like they've had a history of Trist's in the office. You're going to call me this time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

There's been something going on for a while. So much to the point where he's examining the projection of Raynard. And when she walks in, he just. Slinks back. He's like, oh, she's here. Yeah. And he tries to hide behind Rinald's skull. She performed the surgery on Rennard in some version of the script.

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, see, that's interesting. Why? Yeah. Was he captured? I don't know. Some version of the script, that was the backstory of...

I like what they have where he hunts down the doctor and kills the doctor. Yeah. Yeah, Rennard and Elektra, that... This movie writes villains well. They're really good. Well, you're also like the caliber of Robbie Coltrane and Sophie Marceau. And Robert Carlow. Yeah.

He plays it. He's great. Less is more real subtle. Very sad. Yeah. I feel for him. I do too. But they're always saying like he's an animal.

He's terrible. But what did he do? Yeah. Like they keep saying how awful he is and like I know he is, but like they don't really. illustrate how terrible he is. So in the end, especially with his sad little eye that he's got going on, I just feel bad. I know. I know you, because he was working for the KGB or the FSB in Afghanistan, and he gets kicked out of the KGB or FSB, and he burns a guy's hand with a rock. He kills another

guy. I mean, he's a bad guy, but yeah, he's not. He's not as brutal as I think they're making him out to be. They're not showing it. And it's clear to me that I think, I think anyway that his interpretation of this is really his choices. So the last time you see him when he gets shot with that plutonium rod, they just have a shot of him looking through those pipes. And he just has this like sad look like I'm going to die. And my woman I love dead and she's not even going to know. And it's just I love the choices he made. They don't really fit with the movie entirely.

But I think like I would love to see the movie where his choices were the tone of the. entire movie. That would be amazing. You know, it's interesting. I feel like everyone tonally, like, the, the, see, I can't even call Coltrane a bad guy, really. No, he's, he's one of those allies. He's one of those, like, back and forthy. But, I mean, he's mostly allies. So the caliber of those three, you have, you know, those three actors. And then you have on the MI6 side of things, you have a performance from Bond. that again he's doing what is what's written for him, but looking hurt while doing all of it.

And then you have this Christmas Jones performance. Yeah. It's very, just the dichotomy of the two is so, it's like they're in different movies. You shouldn't want to spend more time with the villains. That's true. Than bonds.

That's true. And I want to be in the world with Renard and. Every moment that Sophie Marceau is on the screen, you kind of care more about the movie. That's right. Yeah. She's great. Yeah.

She's so mean, though. She killed her own father. It's pretty cold. They do justify that in some way, like he was really mean to the mother or something, right? What did they say? No. It was just that they didn't send the money.

She's very, very upset about that. I thought there was something prior to that. Okay, so Scotland. Oh, we're at the Q-C. Guys, if you watch, this movie again, I want you to count the number of times, 007 is said in this scene. Wow.

I refuse to go back and count. It's that many, though. But it was, every other line of dialogue had 007 in it. It was really... W.07. Off putting. Man, it never ceases to get me, though, that shot of him going down, just knowing this really is his last.

Very amazing foresight of them. sad because of what we know that he died. But it's a weird ending to that scene. Well, it's also, we've talked about it. The lowering, yeah. We talked about it before, but like, he never said those things. I know. And it's never.

He never said those things. Never let them see you bleed is such a weird thing to come from him. Yeah. Yeah. It should be coming from M. But do you think that they were going to retire him or he wanted to retire like he thought this was his last movie regardless of the fact that he died no he's in and he has he said he was signed on to do the next one he was going to do the next one and all he wanted for three movies he had just

kept asking them he's like can i have an assistant in the movie who can just deliver the dialogue that i don't want to deliver but they had the foresight to put i know a goodbye and do you think they broached that with him in that case how did they do it like we're a little worried you might die but we want to ride in a farewell. You can still be in them, but we need to at least cover this. I think they're probably like, listen, we're going to get you an assistant, but every movie we're going to end with you saying goodbye in fun ways. New advice that we never heard.

Yeah. I've always said, never let them see you please. Put in a water-saving shower head. I've always told you two things. Actual advice. Please return it in working order. And that's my lunch. That's what he should have said.

That's what he should have said. Yes. And then left. Always come back in working order. And then like that would have been a fun thing for him to say. Yeah. And then like, it's also time.

It won't be the last rating of the size of Q's hands, but it will be chronologically the last. Sure, sure, sure. It's the golden eye. What? So it's a golden eye plus or minus. And because this is his last time, I'm going to send him off with a salute.

Okay? and I'm going to rate his hands, have a perfect stasis between atmospheric pressure and inflammation, so that he's feeling the most comfort possible. There's a perfect balance, no pressure, no swelling, just ease. Like he's just not feeling his hands for once. Wow. Yeah. And that's what I want Q to have. Wow.

Just want him to be released. Yeah. It's a very specific amount of swelling. But let's talk about the size of the hands. Are we saying that they are a golden eye? Well, I wrote that because I... minus. He had already sunk down in before I could take a look at his hands.

I didn't even, I was going to say, I didn't even notice his hands. I didn't notice his hands either, but. Well, there's the moment when, when Bonn takes off in the,

in the car, and Q's like, oh, no. Oh, like, like frames his hip in his head. Yes,

he does. It's, it's really, it's the weirdest pose that he's probably ever done in any of the movies. It's, it's, overly cartoonish.

That's the worst. That's somehow the worst act. in the movie. You can take a look at his hands in that scene. I'm looking at them right now. And we're going to, I could just pull it up out of the book. But here we go. I'll bring them up too.

Desmond Llewellyn, hands is the second thing. We've done it. Wow. Oh my God. The second on the Google list. So many people are Googling it now. The second thing is Desmond Llewellyn hands we have really changed the time click on hands and what's the first thing that comes up i wonder that's

a great question i wonder if it's just for me well have you googled that before i don't know desmond god i'm so proud of that and also a little bit desmond lewellyn desmond lewellyn desmond lewellyn hands desmond lewellyn networth and when you click desmond lewellyn hands net worth why would that be desmond lewellyn lewellyn yep it's the second one for me as well. Wow. Hight tribute. Images.

The first image is... Desmond Llewellyn's hands and Tavar never dies are fucking insane. All right. I'm going to click on this. World is not enough. I'm sorry, everybody. Look at that. That's so much.

That's so much hands. So much. That's him at the premiere. That's him signing book. Oh, I don't have the world. It's not enough on digital. Oh, yes, I do. Ah, here we go.

Here we go. Oh, that's a golden eye minus one. Wow. I got to take it from the movie, Matt. You'll understand. I never really noticed his hands before. I get it, but he's in this pool room. This is from that day.

But who knows what kind of lenses they're working with here. All right. All right. Here we go. A legendary 007 wit or at least half of it. They don't show his hands a ton in this. Well, I think Danny's right.

You go back to the scene where he is just flabbergasted that his boat has left us. Or... So go back to... When he's running towards the bank vault before the bomb goes off. Oh, yeah. And there's that quick shot of cue

just like exasperatingly holding a laptop. Oh, okay. Winded from watching somebody run. He's like, like, he's annoyed that something is happening near his lab. Uh, go past this, yep. Oh, yeah, he's on a laptop. That was typing. Oh, his hands are perfectly.

Somebody running? Perfect. Yeah, they don't look big. They don't look huge, right? Like, I love to think he was the most at peace right before he passed away. That's so sweet. The movie came out in November and he passed away December. Really?

I didn't realize it was that instant. Yeah. Wow. Passed away. the hospital after suffering a lot of injuries in that car accident. Oh my God, he's waving his hands to the amount. Oh, geez. Oh, no.

Oh, that is bigger than I thought. All right. I'm going to give it a, I'm going to give it a golden eye. Well, I'm going to give it a golden eye plus two, and that's two movies later. Wow. Okay. So he's gained two hands. But really, I'm going to give it perfect stasis of atmosphere, pressure versus inflammation.

Nice. We really, we are so concerned for his, uh, his hands well-being. Is there a more lovable man on the face of the earth than Desmond Mowellan? Who? John Cleese as R. No. No. I was excited.

I wish John Cleese stuck around. Yeah. I wish he, he's funny. I wish he was a holdover. John Cleese is one of those people that like doesn't even have to do or say anything funny for you to start. That's true. Laughing. I mean, he's a genius.

He comes. prepackaged with comedy. Faulty Towers is. There he is. I was just watching that recently. So good. It's insane. That's like comedy school. Yeah. It's pure farce. It's the greatest, it's the greatest farce has ever been shown on television. It's amazing. Probably. It's amazing. Anyway, uh, off to Azerbaijan. Osir, Bijan, where there's a church that's going to be torn down unless they move the pipeline and the Russian Orthodox priest is there for some reason. Why wouldn't, what do you mean?

Why wouldn't you mean? That's not, it's very, it's not what those people do. Those people, her, her mother's side of the family would not be Russian Orthodox. Why not? Because it's just very far removed from them. How do you know this? I know this because I read so much today. Wow.

It was not enough. In that book, it says that, it seems like Russian Orthodox or like Eastern European Orthodox Christianity was around those areas? Listen, I'm just going by what I read somewhere. And I read four different sources today, so I can't tell you which one was inact. And the last thing I purport to be is a religious expert. You're a religious lover. Not expert.

I don't know. I'm neither. Okay, so we're introduced to Elektra at the funeral, but then the next time we see her in action, she's being magnanimous to these people. She's moving the pipeline at the expense of the timeline for the pipeline being finished. So Bond is going to bodyguard

her? Yeah, because they think Renard is going to come get her again, right? And they're convinced it's Renard. I don't think they know yet. They don't know yet. I don't think it's just that somebody's trying to kill her. Yeah. Because she doesn't know. I don't think Emma's convinced. But don't, isn't there a point where they know and she's at Bond for not telling her that it would be Renard? She's mad that he's accusing her. She says those lines.

Okay. Anyway, the point is they go skiing. This is the last ski scene we've had in a Bond movie to date, right? Yeah, we haven't had a ski scene this century. There's an explosion. Coupos. Ow! That's so funny.

It's good. I mean, he should be in a commercial that's like, I could have had a V8, basically. Oh my word It's a good ski scene So he's just going with her to He's bodyguarding her right Yeah Okay

Yeah but also I love that he deduces That they're going to ski to check this pipeline And next to her is that Big beefy bodyguard that she has And he's got a pair of skis over his shoulders So presumably the skis Bond picks up are really electric skis And he takes a

these for you. Yeah, and he hands, the bodyguard hands the other skis to Electra and so he's skiing on her little skis and she's skiing. I do love before M sends him off to do this, she's like, remember, shadows stay in front or behind, not on top. Yeah, yeah. That's a good line. Yeah, I like it. It's a good innuendo line. It's basically like, try not to fuck her. Yeah. And because I also believe M is clever enough to come up with those things, sometimes in these bond innuendos, they're writing quips beyond the character's capabilities, you know? It's really... Like, Renard has one, and he's really uncomfortable doing it.

It's not that I don't think he's smart enough to do one of those. It's that he would not choose to do one of those. Right, right. Yeah. But the ski scene for me, the paratrooping situation... Parahawks. Parahawks. It's fine.

Yeah. That's kind of cool. I just... Yeah. They can go on air. They can go on land. Yeah. And probably they can go.

on water too. Maybe. We don't know. Everything can. They could certainly be on frozen water, which is like ice. That's frozen water. That's true. That's my understanding.

But I will say this. Of all the James Bonds, Pierce Brosnan's bond has been saddled with the worst eyewear. His glasses, his sunglasses, his sunglasses are never good. Yeah, I agree. Never good. Are they just a product of the time? They are very 90s? I feel like those are probably Persol's.

I'll have to look at them again. but they're just never, it's interesting to me that every other Bond has had a classical sort of sunglass look, you know? Yeah. But then you have Brosnan's sunglasses look, which are almost worse than the first time we see Felix. Oh, but I love those. I don't like Craig's Casino Royale sunglasses because doesn't he have kind of like... Those are small Persols also.

I can't even picture them. I think it's when you're getting sunglasses that are really of the time, like you said, instead of classical ones. Yeah. That's your problem. I think that's the mistake a lot of them are making. Yeah. But fortunately for us, they've put James in some nice looking Tom Fords lately. Are you mentioning these because before the podcast you said if you just talk about something on a podcast, you can write it off? No, I bought these many years ago.

These are, these are, these are, Specter? These are from Spector. Oh, yeah. No, yes, these are the funeral scene sunglasses. Yeah, that's right. But you popped out the sunglasses. Right, and I just used them his eyeglasses. And then I have the Specter Volcano Crater layer.

Jesus. I have those as my other glasses, but they broke in Disneyland. So I had to put on my emergency glasses, guys. It's very devastating. But I'm here to say. How did they break? The screw came out of the side. It was going to be something amazing.

No. Space Mountain was extra crazy that day. It was so epic. I will say, best food I had there was at Chef Mickey's character breakfast, guys. Highly recommend it at the contemporary resort. I highly recommend the restaurant in Pandora where you get like a cheeseburger pod and a salad with little dressing bulbs that you have to pop to get the dressing to come. It's disgusting. I had the green grog, that green ale, that green beer.

From Pandora? Yeah, it was great. Oh, really? That was great. I didn't have any food there, though. I'm not into this Pandora food, guys. No. It's all weird on purpose.

By the way, how long before they turn all of that into Wakanda? Oh, wow. I hope. I hope soon. Also, here's my pitch, by the way. This is Side Disney X, you know. The World Showcase has all these expansion pads on it, NEPCod, that they were going to put other countries in. But there's a huge gap between. there's a huge gap where they have like some African stands before you get to Morocco.

They could just tear that gap, those stands out and make it Wakanda. Great, yeah, get rid of the real culture and history of human civilization. But there is no, it's so generic, it's nothing. You know what I mean? It is nothing. Why not put Wakanda? I'm surprised they haven't. In the Netherlands, you have frozen.

Canada becomes like Strange Brewland and France is view to a kill land. Come on. Now we're talking, huh? We are getting into it. Every day, May Day, parachutes off the rifle tower. I would go. Do the gondola boat chase. In Venice?

In the Venice. Oh, please. Or just sink a Venice building from Casino Royale. There's two birds with one stone. Every 45 minutes. Also, isn't from Russia with love? There's a Venice scene, too, isn't there? Doesn't he go to Venice there?

We need to really be in charge of theme parks. I know. I don't know why we're not. I know. If you aren't there, have anything to do with theme parks? Email us. If you build it, they might come. That's right.

How do you guys Sorry, I apologize about getting back to the movie here How do you feel about the score in this film? I like it. Oh, you know, it's weird about the score. I don't think I thought about it much. I just missed David Arnold. I feel like the score was done

before they made the decision to move the theme song, to move the opening credits because the boat chase has it in it? Has a little, the world is not enough theme. I think that's why I love the score. I like that, but I think you shouldn't recall the theme if you haven't heard the theme yet. Or is he not recalling merely teeing it up?

Is he foreshadowing? David G. Arnold, I follow you on Twitter? Please hit us up. Seriously, this movie uses the theme song a lot throughout the score, and I just love that. It's a good theme song. I wish they could back to that. We didn't do it. Shirley Manson.

The lava lamp. I like the song okay. I can't get a straight answer on, is this garbage, or is it Shirley Manson from garbage singing the song? Well, it says garbage, doesn't it? It's always, yeah, I think it always says garbage. Oh, does it? I always, for some reason in my head, I always see it credited as Shirley Manson. Maybe also maybe David Arnold.

I think it's credited as garbage. Let me. Because I remember when I first saw this movie, probably like 90. Nine. Yeah. My mom was like, garbage! What a name for a band! She was very upset about it.

I don't know what she was expecting. Why would they call themselves something bad? You don't listen to garbage, do you? You guys keep talking. I'm going to, you guys keep talking. I'm going to get to the bottom of this. Well, we didn't even talk about the open credits. I like the oil. It's cool.

The oil of it all. Yeah. The oil of it all. Performed by Garbage, written by David Arnold and Don Black. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Don't bringing Don Black back as well.

Boy, I popped right to that. That felt good. Something real... Impressive. Real succinct. Mad and... Mad and... Mad and...

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They make love. Hold on. Wait, where did you go? Yeah. Oh, I was past the ski scene. Always rushing to the love making. Now, I know one of our biggest complaints about this film is the retro engineering of this gadget to fit the story moment, but I'm not even going to touch on it.

That goes without saying. Am I missing something here? In Q's lab, when John Cleese shows them the jacket, it's a jacket. He's not wearing the jacket. He's wearing a full jumpsuit. It's a suit. I guess that he put that mechanism in. I guess.

But that he was like, by the way, I'll give you a ski suit in case you go ski. So I'm supposed to believe a boat can turn corners and I don't need any explanation. And a big avalanche bubble can come out of a jumpsuit just as much of a jacket. Your Honor, I rest my case. Well, I think it's sort of like one of the... I got to pee. I don't even want to hear this explanation. It's like one of the airplane life preserver situations where that...

You don't have to have it sewn into anything. It's just there. You just pull the tab and then boom. I think what he was demonstrating was not that the jacket has this thing, but that this thing exists that can go into any jacket. That makes sense. Because it seems to be separate. separate from the coat because they're climbing out of it. And he's wearing the thing?

Yeah. I didn't think about that. So I think it's just a separate device that Q grabbed. I also am curious when the avalanche happens, it inflates very quickly. Yeah. They're inside of it and then she's freaking out. And then he like takes the knife and cuts it open. Yes.

Like how does that protect you from this? I guess the avalanche has stopped at that point. It just seemed like you're in this protective thing. maybe stay in it for a minute. I also like that his watch is a light. I like that his watch has a flashlight on it. Yeah, that's very useful. Also, by the way, he has this grappling hook that we see earlier in the thing, that he shoots out.

The tangs hit the steel and then it somehow supports his weight and he flies, essentially flies. Yeah. Why wouldn't he use that to escape the... The avalanche? No, the Spain office. instead of grabbing the curtain the curtain thing yeah because I feel like he could have like shot that into the building next door and just had a great time and spider man across yeah uh that's a very good question i mean if you're gonna have a gadget set up did he just get it no because there's no explanation of it

from cue this is like a gadget he's always had also in golden eye he has a belt that is a grappling hook yeah he has the grappling hook belt are you telling me he's not a wearing that all the time? I feel like he should always have it. You think he would. Or just maybe it's just no, that doesn't work. Yeah, you're right. Exactly. I don't understand it. That doesn't make sense. Hi Matt. Welcome back. What didn't I miss? A lot of discussion of the grappling hook tang in the watch. Oh, that goes straight into like a metal beam. But also my question to Danny was why didn't he use that to escape the banker's office? Right. Also, why wouldn't he have that belt on from Golden Eye.

Right. And then follow up to all of this, the air bubble device that Q had was not actually sewn into the coat. It was just the device. Because it's in his ski suit, because he activates it. And then they climb out of the... Yeah, so it's not attached to his suit. It's just kind of like a parachute.

It's just kind of there. I guess I get it, but I don't know. Okay. So after the ski scene, where we get to see Bond's watch light up. Open some windows. In the bubble? In the bubble. I like this scene.

You don't like that scene? I do. I do. I think they have really good chemistry. I think they have. And the way that he like, when she's freaking out, like grabs her face and is like, everything's fine. Like, I don't know what he says. I like that she freaks out. Look at me. Look at my eyes. Yeah.

And sometimes he's like, especially in earlier. movies. He's kind of calming down the girl who's freaking out, but you can tell he's just like, ugh. In the books. In the books, too. Just like, uh, so it was really nice to see. It really felt real to me. Yeah, I agree. It does feel. So I thought that was very sweet and very good for the setup of their relationship.

Well, that felt very, uh, vespery. It's like if you have to choose a bond girl from each of the bond actors who they really have the most connection with. It's like Mod Adams for Roger Moore. I would put Elektra. Sure. And Bond, even though she's a villain, as having what seems like a real connection.

And maybe that's the acting more than the writing or both. And then Vesper and Bond. Kara and Bond with Dalton. Who's Connerys? It's a great question. I feel like it was supposed to be Tracy, but it wasn't. None. Yeah.

It is none. It really is. I don't think he really connects in a deep way. Tatiana? Yeah, Tatiana or Pussy Galore. I mean, that's a tough one to take because he just turns her. I know. He's like, you're not actually.

They seem the most well-matched at least like wits-wise, I guess. Then again, like, it's always flip each other around. It's always great to see a bond girl who is as capable and proactive and strong as he is, but it seems like the ones that he falls for are not those. He always kind of goes for like Tracy. He's crying. The broken wounded girl. Who is the worst written James Bond girl?

Who is the worst written girl? Because we always discuss, and it's fascinating to just go through the history of interviews and press kits and stuff like that for all the movies. But every Bond girl who's interviewed is always saying how they're, I'm a different kind of bond girl. I'm more of a. appear to Bond and so on and so forth. Or Bond and I have a real relationship in this movie, right? So there's always that sort of explanation.

So then you have to go back in the history of all of these Bond women. And you're thinking about them all. And in my brain, I cannot pinpoint the one who cannot take... I can't, like, really pinpoint the helpless one. I can. Or the one who is, who is it? In my opinion, it's Stacy Sutton. Oh, right, right, right.

From View to a Kill, yeah, yeah. Like, watching this one, when they're trapped behind those doors and, like, Christmas Jones, you know, whatever her character is, she's doing things. She's very proactive, which is really cool. Stacey Sutton is, she can't climb. She can't do anything.

She can't do anything physically. She does have... Completely forgotten about her. She does contribute to the knowledge of all the science, though. I'm going to say honey rider, because she's just kind of pulled along by her hand the whole time. She's fierce and she's like a survivor,

but in the story, she doesn't really... That's true. She just collects shells. It really wasn't much for her to do. But I'm with you on the Stacy Sutton thing in terms of like, yeah, physically she's just constantly like, James. That's a great.

And I really like her because I really like that movie. Oh, you're in good hands. I watch it. I love that movie. And I think that she's definitely like in my top tier of like best looking so I like her interesting and I think the actress is cool too but like she just so helpless yeah yeah yeah doesn't even try it's a great answer and that's the thing like just try and if you need help then scream but yeah um solitaire in a sense too I mean she's she's

she's strong as a psychic but otherwise she's just totally strong as a strong as a I mean, well, in the movie. Because of her whole like, like where she's like where she is and like what she's wearing. And her whole like supernatural thing. Like that to me makes sense that she's kind of this like, I'm not a normal person. Yeah. So I don't have to do anything. Yeah.

That makes sense to me. Who is your favorite bond girl do you think? And for what reason? Because it's interesting you can go like, here's the best bond girl, but here's my favorite bond girl. Or you could do that with any element of these films. I like Natalia. I think she's kind of a survivor. Yeah, she's a great hacker.

Yeah, she's good. She's smart. Yeah, she's kind of got it all. Yeah, I really, really like her. I've never really thought about favorite. I've just always thought about, like, which ones I think are terrible. Yeah. This is, but like, that is a great answer.

And going before that, though, who when, then who is the next most helpless Bond girl? After who's Stacy? Yeah. I'd say Honey Rider. So you're now then, you're going from Vito A Kill back to... I'm talking about going in order. Oh, in order back? Like, because I think all of the Brosnan females are not particularly helpless.

I think they're all, they all have their own skills and they're all doing their own thing. Yeah, they're all kind of women of action. Yeah, and I think the same thing on the Dalton side, you know. Not Kara. She's a decent character, but she's pretty helpless. You buy her character as... She's very naive. She's a plot.

She's a cellist. She's a patsy and a cellist. Yeah. That one makes sense. Yeah. As written, it totally makes sense. So that one I don't find as, I don't know, I just find that, I feel like the myth in our head has been built up of these bond girls that are helpless when there aren't as many as people actually think there are. People probably think there's like, in every movie, the bond girl is a.

Because people are remembering them being saved at the very end every time. Even though they often... Someone's got to save the day in a James Bond movie. It's usually mine. Not Hallie Berry. That's right. Does she get rescued at him? Yeah, she does.

She's on that laser machine. Oh, you're right. Yeah. But then she rescues him after that same machine. That has two buttons you can hit to make it go bananas. She is just everywhere. Why isn't the room coming apart? Why didn't we program this laser machine?

She gets rescued twice because isn't she also trapped in the ice palace when it's melting? Yeah. Underwater or something? It's a breakthrough. with the car. That's interesting. Interesting. But doesn't she kill Miranda Frost?

Yeah. I guess that's like that to me I don't think of her as being helpless because of that. Yeah, exactly. She does. Interesting. Anyway, I feel like I've pulled us into a topic for another James Bond podcast. Well, let's. We'll get to that.

We should. We need to do this episode with you because I think it would be really fascinating. But let's talk about these x-ray glasses. Again, hideous. frames. Yeah, and lenses. Well, the blue lenses are okay because the blue lenses are very 90s. Thomas Crown,

Steve McQueen in the Thomas Crown Affair, wears blue lenses in his Persols. What kind of frames are those? They're bigger. Yeah, see, that is okay. They're a bigger foldy guys. Those glasses remind me the type you would buy in the 90s at thrift stores, but that weren't vintage. They would be on a stand on the counter and they would

usually the yellow with the like Buddy Holly lenses, but you could buy all colors. This was a big thing in college. These very much, like these sunglasses, I just think of, I just think of a mid-90s trip to the sunglass hut. That's what I mean, yeah. And like, I think of, like, what were the cool Ray bands at the time? You know, like, the men in black glasses, I wanted them so bad. Like, I remember wanting to spend $180, whatever, $80 on these glasses. And my mother being like, why would you do that? You'll lose them, blah, blah, blah. And I just thought they were so cool.

And like you go back now and you watch the first men in black, you're like, oh, those frames are horribly dated. More than that, though, they're horribly dangerous because presumably these x-ray glasses are emitting some kind of radiation to be x-ray. Wow. And think of your eyes. Wow. Think of your eyes. You don't think you worked around that? I would hope so.

But again, here we are. Wondering Q, give us a little bit more on how this works, huh? I'm worried. Do you also find that it's odd that it just goes through the. first layer of clothing. Yeah. No skeleton. It's like almost a Superman power.

Yeah. Not quite. Well, Superman like can dial it in, you know? He can like, he can like, it's like focusing your eyes on something. Yes, you're right. Way out there. You should only see the metal. Or if you're going, but that's just clearly the filmmaker's going to we want to show underwear.

Metal and panties only. Yes. It's very strange. Or maybe they're wearing Mac Weldon's silver lined anti-microbial underwear. And holsters. Yeah. And that's a free plug for you guys, McWeld. And I hope they sure are our sponsor for this episode.

But we'll see. But yeah, it is weird. They only go through one layer of clothing. Let me check. Two layers on men. Two layers on men. It'll go through the suit jacket and the shirt into the thing. On a lady, it goes through one layer.

Yeah. Wow. They really linger on that. I do have to say, I don't care for this. This is a casino that they're in, right? Yes. This is one of the, to me, one of the dullest casinos she's possibly been in.

100%. Yeah. It's like, it looks like it's the afternoon. The lighting is so boring. It is not good lighting. The music is kind of softer and lower and everyone's just kind of like, and it's small. It is.

It's one of the most disappointing casinos in a Bond film, I think. However, probably accurate for some Eastern European casino at the time, you know. That's true. But I'm with you. Yeah, there's nothing. I kind of feel that way about this film that the, like, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, they are interesting locations, but there's a lack of exotic locations in this film to me.

Just because it's London to like Central Asia or... You're familiar with the story of how this plot came about. We talked about this last time, I think? No, tell it. Barbara Broccoli was watching a 60 Minutes interview. Oh, dear. See, this is never how to start a bond. Yeah, she was watching a 60 Minutes interview about... or a piece about the oil in that region and how since Russia was no longer under the control,

it was now up for grabs by the West. So there were all these competing pipelines. So she was like, well, it would be interesting if we did a story where like someone wanted to take out the competing pipelines. I guess it is a pretty good plot though. My question about that is I think I read that I didn't see it in the movie, but I read this about the plot that it's four different companies or four different countries' pipelines that are competing. Right. Doesn't that seem like an expensive thing to do for something that may not work out?

Like you have a one in four chance of your... It's four pipelines, two countries, right? I don't know. It's three Russian pipelines and her pipeline. Okay. And that's why they, if they destroy Istanbul, it will destroy the harbor where Russia normally takes the oil out of that pipeline to the rest of the world, while hers will go straight to the rest of the world. This is the first time on the James Bonding podcast where I have been able to explain.

explain the plot. It has never happened. It has never happened. I'm usually way tuned out by the time they reveal like the actual. The actual plot? Yeah. Exclusive broadcast rights in China. That's the next shirt, guys.

Exclusive broadcast rights in China. I noticed something about this bond film that I can't think of another bond film that has this element. That is a typical bond trope that you see in every element, every film. What is different about this film? and how it does it is a little trivia question. It may occur in another, but I can't think of another one. He does not play the cards?

No. Yeah. I guess you could say that is true. Think of the classic bond tropes. He mentions how upset Q is going to be about the destruction of the car. No, that's good too. Like, what are your main, what do you got to have in every single bond film? And I'm talking like...

A martini shaking that story. That's one of them. That's not it. Okay. Because he has that. What else you got to have? Bon James Bond. Right.

what's different about Bond James Bond in this film He does it twice That's right Oh really? Yes Okay I remember it He does it twice

He does it to Electra and Christmas James He does it to Christmas And Christmas Yeah and it does it to Christmas while escaping an explosion Yes in an elevator shit Or whatever

Like literally They may die And she just So you're a British spy Do you have a name? Yeah She wasn't given She was not given

Oh, it's a terrible line to write in for that moment. It's awful. Listen. But you know when she says... Denise didn't write this. It's not her fault. But she didn't act it either. That's true.

She... Do we want to talk about her? Do we want to talk about Christmas Jones for a second? Sure. Yeah, be happy to talk. I have some things to say. Please. Please.

I feel like I have heard a lot of people panning her performance, the character. Like, scientists don't have belly button. rings. Like, she's not an issue for me. She's freaking out over how unbelievable she is. And it's interesting because I think at the time in the 90s, you would be like, oh, yeah, female scientists don't look like that. But I feel like today, if you were to say that, people would challenge you.

And I think there are scientists that look like that. There are. I know a lot of... I don't know that they dress like that. I know a lot of female scientists. They often will not dress like that. But I don't know what... I don't know what, if they're working for two weeks in a desert, maybe they're going to wear.

If it's hot. Maybe we should just be honest with ourselves and say they were just aping Tomb Raider here in this movie. Right? Yes. It's a Laracroft outfit. Yeah. Oh, it really is. Oh, wow.

Yeah. It's like a tank top, but short. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's interesting. I just think it's, I think it's interesting because I think that you can have attractive female scientists that are believable. Holly Goodhead. In the saint. I'm sure you've changed.

Yes, Elizabeth Shoe. I completely agree. A believable, very pretty female scientist. I think part of it, though, is that her performance, she makes her very kind of, like, dorky, and very kind of, like, sweet. So you just kind of buy it. She's not this like, uh, uh, uh, walking around. I know everything.

Yeah. So I don't know why that worked so well. That's a good question. It is in the performance, because there's nothing. I would love to see more like sexy scientists or whatever, but yeah, you're right. I'm trying to think of another example in Bond where that succeeds. Because like Fesper is a treasury agent. So she does have some like status to her position.

It's more her personal life that becomes so helpless. Did you know that she was going to be an insurance adjuster, the character of Christmas Jones, but they changed it because in the Thomas Crown Affair, Renee Rousseau's character is an insurance investigator. I think that's the thing is it doesn't bother me that she's a nuclear physicist at all. It bothers me her portrayal just, I just don't feel like she acts it well. And it's not that she's not acting well as a nuclear physicist. I just don't believe her as the person.

Yeah. That's the problem. It's not. Like I have no problem believing electric king is running a multinational oil company. Yeah. There are many parties to blame in this, in the character of Christmas Jones. And I think the biggest claim, I think, is shouldered on the writing. Because those lines, we can talk about how Wooden Denise Richards' performance is, but

there is, like, I couldn't act. Like, if I was told to do this scene, and I'm, again, I'm just going to point to this, second, this moment again, where I'm running for my life, I'm on an elevator, and I have to stop and ask this person their name. I wouldn't know how to play that. How do you play that? I don't know. What do you do? What do you do? How many times do you need me to tell everyone I'm a nuclear physicist in the script? Like, you need me to say that in every scene I'm in to everyone I'm in? Yeah. Yeah. Well, also, how has she diffused hundreds of nuclear bombs? That's what I want to know. Well, isn't her job? Usually they're standing still. Isn't her job that that's what she's doing,

going around diffusing bombs post cold wars. Oh, sure. I could be wrong. I don't even remember. So that's how she's done hundreds of these. But again... Yeah, I don't think it's entirely her fault. No, it's not.

Of course not. Of course not. I think it's the character and the dialogue. Guys, the writing is... She's been good in other things. She's been okay. She's okay. Yeah.

She's certainly been... I love her in Drop Dead Gorgeous. Oh, I haven't seen... Oh, you know what? I haven't seen Drop Dead Gorgeous. I recently saw it for the first time, and it changed my mind about Denise Richards. She's kind of like a Keanu Reeves

where if you get her in the right role, it really works, but who would you have liked to have seen in this role at the time? I don't know who. You know who was the finalist? Who? Tiffany Feeson. No. Who is that?

Tiffany Amhertheson-0. I mean, she probably would have been better. Kelly Kapowski? No. Hmm. Same level of hotness. Yeah. It's 1999.

It's the same person. I'm surprised they didn't also go for Nev Campbell and Jenny Garth. And I think it's like, just get out of this TV caliber actress and like who's in 99 who's someone that's really got that uh just that gravitas or something Elizabeth Shoe. Yeah she would have been great. Just to have Elizabeth Shoe and everything. Carrie Ann Moss.

I was just about I was just thinking about her. I'm just thinking about their 90s movies. Why was she never in a Bond film? I know. Because she would be the scariest female villain of all time. Oh, she would have been so good. That's interesting. 1999.

Yeah, what are the big movies around this time? Oh, Shirley's Theron would have been great. Yeah. Who else? I would have taken a Lara Flynn Boyle. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I would have taken a...

God, this is a very interesting game. 1999. I would have taken a Jennifer Lopez. Over Denise Richards, I would have. Yeah. She's regarded as the worst Bond girl generally, I think. I just want to, I'm going to play the audio from the moment I'm talking about. Bond is, for those of you who watch the film, Bond is escaping an explosion on a, what do we call that?

Like a sled? A roof sled, a ceiling sled that is used to drag bombs back in? The chains? Yeah. Okay, he's just, he's gone through. where's the speaker on this thing? He's just put himself out. He was on fire.

Lots of stuff happening upstairs. Everything's blowing up. They're finally on this elevator. More explosions. Uh-huh. She's just standing there as he zooms toward her. He's watching her climb the ladder, like a lecherist man. Is this the greatest...

Is that the most amount of time between Bond and James Bond ever. So you're a British spy. It is horrible. I don't know what you do with that. It could have been placed better after they get out of there. Yeah. Like we made it.

Wow. Like, oh, we're alive. What's your name? Right. Oh, 100%. Yeah. So again, not Colin Salmon, Robinson. Man, love this guy.

Anyway, sorry. X-ray was on, guys. I just clicked who was in the scene. You love that x-ray. I do. I have an... Coltrane? Love him.

Fucking great. He's great. He's great. You're like, I don't care what shady shit you're up to. You're hilarious. I would be his friend. I would too. Why is his character so well-written?

That's like a legitimate question. You're right. But why is Electra so well-written and Christmas isn't? Well, I can tell you exactly why. Okay. I'm listening. Michael Apted's wife did a draft of the script where she just went in and fixed all the Electra stuff.

Why wouldn't they do that for, because they probably don't care enough. Here's how this work. Purvis and Wade did the plot. Yeah. Denise, what is her last name, Denise? Richards. No. Did a draft on Electra's side?

She did it. And like totally nailed it. And mine just fine. Can't her do more? No, no. I think we're good. I'll improvise it on the day. Keep talking.

Talking about how bad, how different everything. Okay, while you're looking that up, I'm going to jump ahead. Danny and I can talk about this. Did you notice when they go into the pipeline to diffuse that thing? They take great pains to set up. Uh-oh, the screws are stripped. We can't open this. And then the next shot.

Yeah. But then the next shot is just open. I didn't see that. They don't even like mention how they unstripped the screws or got the screws out. She did it with her knowledge. I guess. Okay. So here it is, right guys?

The studio suggested that Aptead's wife, screenwriter Dana Stevens, sorry, be brought into work on the aspect of M and Electra. Those two characters. In additioning to embellishing that relationship, in Stevens draft, the opening scene at the Bankers was now set in Geneva. And there was a doctor scene that was gone, and Q had a new assistant. This begs the question, why did you? Didn't they think Bond and Denise's scenes didn't need any work?

And also, why isn't Dana Stevens writing the scripts? Buckle up. Here we go. She did great work on that. Firestein, we're all familiar with him, right? Who had written on Golden Eye and Tomorrow Never Dies, understood the need to keep the emphasis on action. And the final shooting script attributed to Wade, Purvis, Stevens, and Firestein

was dated June 28, 1999. The opening scene took place in Belboas. Okay. So then Michael Afton says, Firestein rewrote the Bond scenes and put Bond in his proper place. We were very lucky. The boys did the story, Purvis and Wade. Dana did the rewrite on Elektra, and Bruce did Bond.

So you have four different writers writing. So the tone for each character is crazy different. Yes. Okay. I think, man, if they would have let Dana Stevens, if Perverson Wade, I think, did a pretty serviceable plot, they should have given it straight to Dana Stevens to do the dialogue for everyone.

But it is interesting, like, how noticeable it is. Yeah, it really is two movies. There's definitely a disjointed feel. There are, like, moments in the movie where it, it verges on dreamlike for me. Like, that casino scene where he's just like, it's the weirdest casino scene. Sorry, he's still on the casino scene.

No, I would love to see this movie. Weird things. all in the tone of the Renard Electra. But it would be very dark. I guess I mean... I like their relationship. Yeah, I do too. It's messed up.

Yeah. But I really like it. But it's so... It feels real to me. Does it feel real to you? Or does it feel like... Well, one more real than Bond in Christmas. That's true.

Yeah, I'm with you. I really like it. In fact, the big payoff for that, I think, is when in the end... he goes, like when Bond and Renard are fighting and Renard goes like, it doesn't matter I'm going to, I'm basically dead. And Bonn goes, haven't you heard? So is she. Yeah.

And that look on Renard's face is a real love. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, but he is being played by her also. I know, but just all of the tone of that is so well done. I think he kind of knows it. Yeah. Oh, I don't think he does.

No, I'm with you. I think he does. I don't know that he knows that he's being played, But I think he definitely knows he's doing everything for her because he fell in love. Yes. He fell in love with her. Exactly. Yeah.

She reversed Stockholm to him. Right. Because when he leaves her, when he says his final goodbye, it's kind of a like, I'm, I'm hurt by you. Yeah. And that's another moment. I like this actual character. Yeah. He's way more broken up about him walking away in that moment than she is.

Right. She's just like, hmm. No, she's actually like smiling going like, we did it, we did it. And he's just kind of like, you don't care about me. No. I'm a patsy. I'm a sucker. It's really sad.

It's a good dynamic that you don't normally get. Or if you do, it's a reverse gender sort of thing. Like the man's using the woman. And there's a lot to be said for this movie in playing with similar tropes, but also reversing the expectations and doing it well. And then there's the Blunt Bond and Christmas part that just kind of plays the same old. I just, okay. Here, I just want to, again, just one last instance of the dialogue in this,

in this this is what she was given to work with here. Jump, jump, jump. Do you want to explain why you did that? Almost killed us. I did kill us. She thinks we're dead and she thinks she got away with it.

Do you want to put that in English for those of us who don't speak spy? Who's she? Electric King. It's bad. It's bad, but also the fact that what he said wasn't that crazy. I know.

And if she keeps, yeah, keeps protesting that she's a nuclear physicist, you think she'd be able to follow that. No. It's funny this movie, like, I have all these notes, and then they just go away for a while, and then I have three that come in for the worst line

in bond history at the end. Okay, well, we're going to get there. Okay. We're going to get there very shortly. The kidnapping of M, the first time we've seen it, happens again. But we, I think it's interesting. It's sort of like Judy Dench is really cemented in the role at this point.

Wait, when does she get kidnapped again? I feel like she does. Basically, Electra lures her there. I feel like Silva kidnapped her. Oh. In Skyfall. Like he tries, you know what I mean? It is very similar though.

Yeah. The like something you failed to do has messed me up. Yeah. There are real skyfall correlations and also with a woman saying like, Bonn saying, let me help you and the woman saying like you don't know him. Yeah. Because the balloon girl and Severin and Skyfall. Balloon girl.

Cigar. Cigar girl. Cigar woman, balloon girl. Cigar woman balloon girl. She's known as Cigar Girl. Okay. So, yes, I like the Judy Dench stuff. I like that she gets the clock and puts the power on the chip.

She's doing things. I do think it's weird though that M. doesn't have anything on her. Like M doesn't have a tracking device necklace or something. Like just security-wise? I mean, she arrived there with her people into a situation she didn't realize. Yeah. So you could just say she was not expecting that at all.

But I feel like they should issue her gold finger shoes with homing devices. That's true. They should always issue those to her. Yeah. Every MI6 person should have a shoe with. with a humming device and a boot knife. A boot knife, yes. Why not?

Yeah. Okay, so that's fine. She gets captured. I like the nephew stuff with Coltrane again. Sarkovsky's really, like, he really is, for my money, he's the best written pseudo-alli.

I always forget he dies in this. You know what? It's not clear. Maybe he passed. out. After being shot. I would be okay with them bringing him into Daniel Craig's. Oh, are you kidding me? That'd be amazing. Like current Robbie Coltrane.

That would be cool. Would be amazing. That would be great. Did you watch that show on Hulu? What's it called? He plays a beloved English comedian that is accused of rape. And it's kind of like a Cosby corollary. Why is this called?

It's really good. I really liked it. I'll look it up. That's crazy. That's funny because he is a beloved English actor. Yeah. And he kind of took it for that reason. Wow. What's it called?

It's only like five or six episodes, too. That's because they're British. They know how to make things. Yeah, I know. You don't need to run it into the ground. You don't need to run it into the ground. It's called National Treasure. What?

No, no, no. That what's happening there is... And he steals these American artifacts, you see. And his dad is John Voight. Do you think the Declaration of Independence is trying to tell him something? It might be. He rapes the Declaration of Independence. Wow.

That's definitely illegal. He must be supporting those Parkland kids. Oh, that was the Constitution. I messed up that joke. Bill of Rights. It is called National Treasure. It's really good. Bill of Rights.

I messed it up again. Bill Cosby of Rights. Wow. It just keeps going. When it shouldn't. We are in a dark place. I brought us there. So let's get to the torture chair.

Yeah. The like hurt acting chair. It doesn't hurt you. It forces you to act like you're hurting. Well, I think that they, You know, in the vein of them reverse engineering cue gadgets, they were like, let's reverse engineer something where Pierce is acting. Let's play to his weaknesses.

Let's play. Let's play to what he likes doing the most. She really goes for it. He does. Let's get that lower jaw out as far as we can get it. I guess, let me see if I can articulate why I have a problem with this. Because I think when I did like theater acting in college, I remember it was always easier to act the extreme situations because it was like you could emote more so it was easier to get messages

across and I found it much harder to be subtle and I think the best actors do bring some subtlety like Elektra and Renard and this but I think Brosden's a little bit more surface in bond at least yeah and so he's he's like oh I don't have to work as hard right now I just kind of do these I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that's working less. I would say that's not crafting. Yeah. It's not crafting much. Yeah.

But like that's got to be intense to do that for however many takes, you know? Like it's a different kind of work. That's true. Maybe not the best. But it's something that immediately registers and feeds back to him as this is reading. I'm acting. I'm truly acting. Boy, am I.

Oh, my God. I am I acting. You know? You know, I'm spitting ball in some of this. I don't know if it's true. He's picturing where the Oscars going. Maybe. Maybe.

Yeah, to another actor. Hence the grimace. We are really just big fans. We are. I mean, I get what you're saying. It is a lot. But it is also nice to see James Bond distressed by something. After watching Craig, who's just very, very, like,

no, like robotic almost in certain elements. And then like going back and seeing some of Roger Moore when he's put in a, like a tricky situation, he's like freaked out. And it's kind of refreshing to see his eyebrows go up and he's truly worried. Yeah. So I don't know, it's kind of nice to see him.

Sophie Marceau is the first female bond villain. Right. Well, like main villain, yeah, huh? Unless you count Rosa Kleb. Yeah, I would consider her a villain. Yeah, she's kind of... But she's working for Blowfield the whole time. I know, but...

You know what I mean? Like the top of the pyramid of this plan is all Sophie Marceau. I know, but that's like saying Largo isn't the villain in Thunderball. True, true. But compare the torture scene between Danil Craig and Casino Royale to this. And, I mean, because that scene between Mads-Michlson and Craig is just so good. Mitz-Micholson is so good. Yeah, he is.

I've never seen him not make something amazing. I know. What is it about? He's really charismatic. He's very good. He's even good in Rogue 1. Yeah. Yeah.

He's good. As the Death Star designer with a heart of gold. That's right. Galen Erso. What the fuck is that? I know. I've got a heart of gold. I know I've designed this super weapon to kill planets.

He's like the Oppenheimer. Yeah. So this is the first time Bond intentionally kills a woman. And boy, does he. Like point blank to the chest. Yeah. Like Rosa Kleb gets off by Tatiana. It does work for me in this movie.

It doesn't seem to extreme. May Day gets off by herself on a riding a bomb out of a mine. Yeah. Sorry, I'm just emoting like her. She takes her fist in a blip. It's the best movie ever. I am thinking about it, though, he doesn't have to kill her because she's already yelled dive.

She can't do any more harm. But he can't leave her behind. Yeah, that was a vengeance. He was a vengeance. He was a pain. There's also something really annoying in the way that she's like, you won't do it. It's like all those girls that are like, oh, I can get this guy to do anything. So it's like he's almost like, no.

What do you think about the moment after he kills her and he goes over to her? I was thinking like, if he kisses her, this is too much, but then he doesn't. It pulls it back. It's weird. I mean, like, I understand it, but like they weren't together that long. I know. Like, I understand that he fell for her. I believe that, but he really...

And what's interesting to me is that they show him doing that. It's like through M. It's like M watching it. Instead of just him doing it and then M shows up, it's like they get her in there in time to see him do it. It is interesting, yeah. You know what I missed from that scene? When Bond runs out to the balcony,

in my mind, I wanted M to run up next to him. And kiss him? No, just say, and say what are you doing? He's like, I've got to stop that bond, and then he jumps in. She doesn't know what's going on. I would love it if she watched him dive in. That would be cool. He's the best we have.

And so then the final climactic setpiece on the subway. Yeah, it's like your classic train fights, except awful. It's like a close quarters. Like their fight is this nice close quarters. It's a fight in a jimbri. Medium quarters. Watching it, it's the weirdest. Like, what are all these, like, roots?

that you can climb. The rods are there. I mean, so the submarine is sideways, correct? It's, no, it's straight up and down.

Well, that's what I meant by. Oh, okay. Sorry, yeah. So, like, the rod,

putting the rod into the wall, when the submarine is correctly working it, the rod would go into the floor. Right. So. It seems like you'd want it in the wall anyway. Yeah. What if you'd drop it on the floor?

Sure. And it goes in. That's true. A terrible hole in one. It's true. just goes on a bit long. There's a lot of like, we got to get here to do this kind of arbitrary McGuff and stuff when they could have probably just gotten to business with one final thing. Oh my God. I'm sorry, guys. I forgot to mention the most graceful dive in the history of James Bond movies.

I looked at it this time. It almost feels CG because that's set with the, where they show the submarine, I'm pretty sure is like a large scale miniature. Okay. And I wonder if they CG'd him diving into that plate or something. I don't know. I do know. I'm not saying I know for sure. Nothing says summer to me, like a linen suit with a bright blue shirt. I love that suit so much. I am not knocking it. I'm just saying he swims outside of a submarine to the other end of the submarine,

and his shirt stays tucked in. Well, his shirt stays tucked in because it's being forced into his pants. It is. It's being forced into his pants. It's the weirdest underwater outfit I've ever seen. When you come out of a torpedo tube. Holding another woman. And you're trying to enter a hatch.

You just stay tucked in. It's amazing. I bet he's got those little, like, you know how the little clips on the end of suspenders? Yeah, he's got clips on the inside, yeah. But those, they make these little things that's one clip and then like an inch of elastic and another clip. And he's probably got that connected to his underwear, his shirt.

That makes sense. They're like stay tucked in. Day tuck as seen on TV TV. I know. I love it. I love it. I also like my brain cannot, this was the first time in the history

of the James Bond franchise and having seen these movies each dozens of times. This is the first time I really sat and thought about the idea of James Bond changing. Like the idea conceptually,

him bringing his luggage along to every... We talked about this in great detail last week. We talked about it, Inspector. Yeah. Regarding shopping. More, for me, it's not even the shopping that this time. This time it was more the motivation to change, which I didn't understand.

Whereas Daniel Craig, I understood the motivation for each wardrobe change. We're like, oh, we're in a summer vacatione locale. I should wear short-sleeve shirt and whatever. And then we're going to the desert. I should wear a light-colored suit. Yeah. This movie, the turkey suit. I just, it is my favorite.

It's my favorite. It's probably pretty hot in Istanbul. But I just don't understand them. I also don't, my brain can't wrap, my, my brain can't wrap around the timeline of like, does he sleep during this situation? Like, is this like new day, new suit? Or is this like, he changed. I'm going to, I'll be right down. That is probably his life's motto, though, new day, new suit.

You're probably right. Yeah, I don't know what the timeline is on this. I think there's also a moment. I think that Sophie Marceau has a pair of earrings on in the casino. And then later, when all their casino clothes are on the floor and she's in the bed, I think she's wearing a different pair of earrings. Which at first I was like, why did they change? Maybe since she's like laying in the bed, they wanted something without dangly.

I noticed her earrings throughout this entire film because they always have to hide. They're huge. And I had forgotten about that ear. Yeah. Completely forgot about it. She is major. It's like when Silva takes that fake jaw piece out. That is an interesting question.

Like how quickly does this film take place? And which Bond movie takes place in the shortest amount of time? Like, is there one close to real time? It feels like skyfall is pretty unravels up in a few days. Yeah, but I think... Does it? Maybe not. No.

No? I don't think so. No. Right? Because he's, where is he where he's on the beach with a scorpion? Oh, right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's months, yeah, right.

He has to get real washed up. Yeah. That takes a while. Specter goes. Specter's a few, like maybe a week. Yeah. I don't know. I haven't really thought this thing.

You got a factor in the travel too. Yeah. But we see a lot of the travel on that. Yeah, but I'm wondering, this feels like the time, the length of time he's known Christmas Jones feels like a day and a half. Yeah. No, really, because he's like. He meets her at the site, which I'll assume is the morning.

Great, we all agree, it's the morning. Give them the benefit of the doubt. Meets her at the site. Let's say he got there at 7 a.m. They have this whole explosion-y thing, which probably takes them until about, I'm going to guess, 8.15 a.m. Right? Exactly. Then they're like, she's like, you're a British spy.

You told me your name while we were almost blowing up. Thank you. Now what? And then the next scene is at the pipeline. right at the pipeline monitoring center right so what i assume is they were like shit we have to go to the pipeline monitoring center which is probably a 45 minute flight from where she's changed close she has changed uh he has changed but they take a what i'm going to say is a 45 minute flight right this pipeline thing let's say they get to the pipeline at noon i can't even go no matt they're at the

pipeline at noon can't i mean the explosion This is like a Purvis and Wade's daughter. M is kidnapped. This all happens in one day. Okay. Right? So then the next day is the end of the movie. No, because they knew each other for two days.

When do they go to the oil feed? There's a whole evening. Yeah, that evening, it's like the whole evening where M is and then they're like, here's the clock. You die in the morning or at noon. Right. Like the wicked witch. No, that's all one day. Because that night after the, after the pipeline.

No, after the pipeline. After the pipeline explosion, they spend their evening at the caviar factory. Yeah. And then the next morning is the end of the movie. So it takes a day and a half. It's pretty bright for morning. It's a day and a half. I tuned out during that, so I defer to you.

I don't know. And it's nothing personal. I just don't know. I don't have it for timelines. All right. All right. Fine. Sorry.

So he kills Renard. Can we talk about just before Renard died? when he says welcome to my nuclear family. Oh, that's the line I was talking about, the one he had a real, it just doesn't seem like it would come out of that character. It really, like, I don't even know, I think they don't even show his face. I think it, yeah.

I think it might be like a shot from behind. He as an actor is probably turning away from the camera because he's embarrassed. Like, I can't. I was watching this with subtitles on, as I often do, just because it helps me understand plots. better. Maybe I should do that. But, because I did not understand this one. He says, welcome to

my nuclear family. You are so, you're both so right. The line stood out to me like a sore thumb, but it also is delivered with such a disdain. For either the dialogue or James Bond, it works on both parts.

Right. But it's so out of, it's so out of character. It's so bad. He doesn't mean anything. He doesn't bad. He doesn't have a family. Like, if Electra was his family, she's, and he knows that now. So, oh, I found it.

The line doesn't even make, like, it's a crazy line anyway, but it doesn't even. Welcome to my nuclear family. Oh, God. I mean, obviously I get that he's joking about the plutonium weapons grade plutonium, but that, it's just so ham-fisted to throw that in there. And you know they're like, don't worry, Robert, we're probably not going to put this in, but we just need to get one take of you saying. Or here's actually devil's advocate here.

I bet he was like, guys, can I get one? I don't know. Can I get one? Just give me one. Just give me one. I think he would have read it. Dumb line. In a different way.

Yeah. Speaking of dumb lines, though, I thought Christmas only comes once a year. They, even they had to have known, like, we probably shouldn't use this. Let's shoot it, because we're all. having a huge laugh on set. Oh my God, wouldn't this be funny? Let's shoot it. We won't use it.

We shot five other versions of it. I love John Cleese. It's an effective line. Yeah. Closing. I, you know, okay. Well, our, like, clearly shows himself to be bros before a hoes there when we shut the laptop.

Double seven. Dispose. Remember, we were all worried about that. Good. Yeah. Okay, so I'm going to just take, let's all go back in time to what I saw this movie in the theater. Opening night, Friday night went with, Pac-in movies, he still opened on Fridays.

They were like eight to 12 of us seeing this movie. We all dressed in suits and tuxedos. Aw. How old were you? Oh, I was in high school. If you don't mind saying? No, I was a 99. I was a junior.

Oh, that's cute. So cute. I was a, yeah. Were you in a tux or a suit? I was in a suit. Okay. We, I remember Matt Donahue, who we called Doc, because he was empty. He had a tux on.

Anyway, we went to this movie. We went to see this new James Bond movie, and we're all sitting there. And I remember sitting next to John, one of the best men at my wedding, was sitting next to John McDonough. And the line happens. and an audible groan from the audience. A full audience. A full audience.

A full audience groans. And I turned to him and I go, I can't believe they just said that. Yeah. I remember the same thing. And I remember seeing Gold and I liking it, I didn't really, I didn't see Tomorrow Never Dies in the theaters for some reason.

I know. You were in Titanic Fever. That's right. And then I went back to the theaters for this one. It was like, uh, this movie's okay. And then they did that line at the end.

And I went, I'm out. And that's the vacation I took from Bond for a long time. But the only thing I will say about this scene is it really does harken back to the Roger Moore endings, not just with the cheesy one-liner, but the like seeing on a screen. The Q was spying, even if it's inadvertent. But it reminds me of in a view to a kill with his little robot. But it's creepier there. Because this and this, Q is just like, or R is just like, okay.

It's just thermal. In view to a kill, he's like. Yeah. Yeah. And Moon Raker too. Right. I wish, I do wish, I honestly, as much as I love Ben, wish, I just wish R got a couple more swings at the plane. A couple more swings. Well, now it's time to rate this film from 000 to 007.

007 being best. Yeah. What did we give Spector? Yes, two weeks ago like, 002? Damn. Or do we go higher? 204? I can't remember.

I don't remember. I feel like it was in the three and a half range In the two and a half to three and a half range This is a tough one for me I Go ahead there There are things I really like about it Yeah

But I need too But then there are things that I think are so lackluster That it kind of brings the good things down for me And kind of puts it like middle of the road Yeah If that makes sense Yes absolutely makes sense It's like there's so many great things

but this isn't like if it's Friday night and I'm going to put on a bond film I'm not going to put this one on right interesting this is a Monday night bond film so what are you going with maybe a 4 004

that's right in the zone I'm thinking also but it's better than average yeah slightly better than average no it's not there's nothing about it that's truly terrible maybe a line or two but it's not bad. Yeah. This for me is squarely,

this would be higher, if not for a couple of choices that the writers made. Yeah. This is a 003.5. This is smack dab in the middle. I was sort of like, where am I? A 303-02.5. I could split the difference.

But I know, I think there's parts of this movie that I actually really do enjoy, so I'm going to give it a double O3. Nicely done, man. Yeah. That's really magnanimous of you. I put this one on, this and Die Another Day are probably my most watched Brosnan's. Because GoldenEye's good. So you don't watch it.

Well, you know me, I like them real bad or real good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you do, your Die Another Day love is so weird. That was my first in theater. Really? So what was your experience like there? I think that if I had seen it a couple years before, I would have thought it was great. But around the time that that one came out, I had just started to like understand filmmaking and get a feel for like what good dialogue.

So yeah, I think I came out being like that was a lot of fun. But I wasn't like, ooh, guys. God. Well, it's time now to choose our next film and it's up to me. No, we don't do that. First, we have to ask Danny if she's promoting anything. Oh, I was going to do that at the end. But no, we do that and then people listen.

You see the thing? It's like, I don't want people cutting out before people promote our guests have time to promote. Oh, that's nice. That's nice. Okay. Yes, Danny. Tell us about where we can find. Not promoting much.

Where can people find you on the internet? I'm on Twitter. Barely. It's gotten really overwhelming lately, so I've taken a step. Twitter's not a great place right now. I get it. So, yeah, that's about it. Okay.

Well, do you want to at least say your Twitter handle? Yes. What is it? Isn't it Dan? It goes back and forth because for a long time it was Bunny Penny. And then someone took it when I changed. And then I came back to Bunny Penny Double 7. And then now it's, I think it's Danny Snow.

Is there a 007? I think so. Danny with an eye. I don't know my Twitter handle. Yeah, Danny with an eye. and I. Yeah. Snow is a family name.

It's not my real last name. It was like my grandmother's maiden name. Oh, like John Snow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I changed it right as Game of Thrones came out and had no idea.

And people were like, are you a bastard from the north? But yeah, I will soon... From the north of the Carolinas? Yes. Northern Carolina. But yeah, that I think is my Twitter hand. It doesn't matter.

No, everything matters. Everything. Yeah, Matt, I'm really interested now as to what... I have an idea. of what you're going to choose for us, but I just want to know. I'm curious. Because I was watching something today, and it popped into my head. I was like, I feel like that's where Matt's going next.

Well, we've got six left. We've got two Craigs, two Moors, and two Connerys left. We've closed out, Laysenby, Dalton, and Brosnan. We have done a very good job of evenly dispersing this. That's right. Inadvertently. Now, I can't force your decisions week to week, but for me personally, I feel like I am really

I'm trying to subconsciously move us to keep Casino Rail and Quantum for the end. I get it. Yeah. They totally get it. So for me,

it was a Connery Moore decision. Mm-hmm. And we, I think I'm going to go a thunderball. Oh, I was wrong. I was wrong.

I thought you were going to say live and let die. That's right. We haven't done. We haven't done living let die. You know what? I'm sorry.

We have three mores then left. We have three more. Oh, I should have chosen more to even it out a bit. No, no, no, no, no. We have, it's Thunderball is a nagging tooth that we have to pull eventually. That's true.

And we have to, like, really assess it. Yeah. Yeah, this one more than ever. Yeah. We came down on it pretty hard, so it's time for us to look at it again. Do you know who's in town still? Mosher's in town for two weeks.

It'd be fascinating. To bring them back to see it be. Yeah. But we should mention that go to podswag.com slash bond because there's new merchandise up new signed posters. The knick-knack-tabasco shirts are out as well as the pigeon double-take. There's also two shirts where you can choose the worst moment in the history of bond visually. Pigeon double-take.

Cananga balloon. We have to think about this Christmas Jones situation. Maybe we should make like a Christmas. Christmas merchandise thing. Yeah. And do like, what's Christmas? Like an ugly sweater of Christmas Jones. Like a Christmas ugly sweater.

Not that she's ugly, obviously, but. What if we just had a Denise Richards with a Santa hat? And it just says Christmas is coming. I can't, you can't do anything that's not gross. Yeah. Yeah. I think you just have a Christmas tree and next to it Jones, but it's, in like a nice sweater, you know?

I like that. Yeah. I like that a lot. That's good. Christmas Jones. Ooh, follow up to that. Yeah. We put a doctor in a lab coat, a generic doctor in a lab coat, Christmas tree in Jones.

Dr. Christmas Jones. Okay. Yeah. No? I think when people hear Dr. Jones, they think of Indiana Jones. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Which reminds us, we got to get back to Indiana Jones and get Paul Rust back on here.

Yes. There's a lot we got still to come. There's so much to do. We also have to do some commentaries. We do. You know what? everyone, Matt. I don't like when you do these things where you say what we're going to do without checking with me first,

but I'm curious to say what you're going to think about recording a commentary next week and then do the real podcast. Yeah, that's not a bad idea. I wonder if it would work for us to do the commentary and then record the podcast on the same movie. Or will we have run out of things to say? That's a danger. Yeah, that's my guess. We could get burned out too. Well, Danny, thank you so much for joining us.

Thanks for hanging out during our business. Thanks. And we'd like to have you back again for an in-betweener episode, and we'll talk more. Cool. Thank you. We're talking ladies of Bond next time. I'm very interested. Next time?

The next time, Danny. Yeah, okay. All right. Stick around. We'll do four more. Bye. I had to press record again. James Bonding.

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