James Bonding - The World Is Not Enough with Derek Miller and Jeremy Smith

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

The Matts are joined by Derek Miller and Jeremy Smith to talk about The World Is Not Enough! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Now entering nerdist.com. Strong string presence. That's what I like. You got to credit David Arnold for that. Is that a harp? Yeah. Wow. Is that the only time a harp has been in a Bond movie?

Don't email. Oh, they will. I'm just kidding, guys. I'm just kidding. Turn that down a little bit. Welcome to James Bonding with Matt and Matt. Yeah. We're doing it.

It's The World is Not Enough with our guests, Derek Miller. Hello. Jeremy Smith. You might know him as Mr. Beeks from Ain't a Cool News, and you might know Derek Miller as... I don't read anything Quint doesn't write. Fair enough. Nor do I.

Thanks for joining us, guys. Jeremy, get up on the mic. There you go. Or pull it towards you. You can move it. It's good. Matt, he wasn't you introducing me and you cut him off. Sorry.

You might know Derek from getting upset when he's cut off. Yeah. And he's a famous rant of getting cut off. This is James Bonding. It's the world is not enough. Bear with us as we get through this film talking about this. I feel like an hour, 45 minutes would have been enough for this film. Yeah, an hour and 45 minutes is enough.

It's not even one of the exceptionally long Bond films. It just, but boy, does it feel that way. It does, huh? It would be, this is like a director's cut could be like the hour shorter version, like the only time of director's cut. considerably shorter than the finished product. Yeah. You're not kidding.

I think that's happened, right? Has it? Isn't the director's cut? I feel like the Army of Darkness director's cut is somehow shorter. Oh, I thought you were talking about a Bond film. They should do some... I'm still holding out for a quantum director's cut. I think we could get it.

I'm just holding out for them to release some kind of other edition of Evil Dead. That's a whole other podcast, man. Yeah, welcome to the show, guys. We're glad to have you on. Let's just talk to you guys a little bit. about your lives with Bond before this podcast. Yeah, because we should mention that these two guys, in their own rights, are kind of bond experts.

And we'll talk about why in a second. But we had a third person who was going to be on Ken Crosby, who was the bond expert for the show, Beat the Geeks, but he's sick. So we wish him well, Ken, if you're listening. Let's have him on with Blaine Capatch, the last host of Beat the Geeks. Oh, we should. That's not a bad idea. So, Derek, tell us about your history of James Bond.

Both personally when you found the Lord. and what you did as a professional person met? I was introduced as a young boy by my grandfather, and I was the kid who always dressed up as Bond for Halloween and stuff and taped them all off TV, so I had a big stack of all those old VHSs. But, yeah, I know I've had a lifelong affinity for Bond. I think the first one I saw in the theaters was Living Daylights with my grandfather.

Oh, nice. And then when I moved to L.A., I'd always been a huge Bond fan and bought all the books and everything else. And then somehow, a friend of mine had a job doing the... mail order stuff for the In Fleming Foundation. And they need somebody else like, oh, great part-time job, and I'll get into the bond world. But then they were also doing the magazine, and I got way involved with that. So we did all the special editions.

I got to do the twine junket, which we'll talk about later. But yeah, but it's kind of cool. My name's on every Blu-ray in the credits. That's right. For all of those inside documentaries, right? I've been watching, having known you for a little while now, I would see those things that go, oh, Derek Miller, every time I see that name, I know a Derek Miller. I never put it together.

It was weird. A whole other life. I think I told you I had like an acrimonious split with the guy running it. So I kind of left Bond behind. But I'm letting myself love it again. Well, you went rogue. That's where we used the term. You'll be back in.

Oh, don't. Do not. Do not. Already that gives me a thrill that this movie didn't. And Jeremy. Well, I had an older brother who was very into Bond. so it just naturally became an obsession for me. I'm told my first Bond film in the theater was Moon Raker.

I don't remember that one, though. I vividly remember going to see Free Rise Only. And, you know, as a child, that's one that is fairly uneventful. Yeah. Although the opening is terrific. And so, but that was still enough. I fell in love with Bond right away. And, yeah, like anyone else, whenever there is a Bond film on the movie of the week,

week. I was definitely watching it. I rented all of the films many, many times. And, you know, and it was one of those things where Roger Moore was my bond early. It was my starter bond. And then I, but eventually I found the Lord. I found Sean. And, yeah. So do you guys, when there was that huge period where you'd have to rent the bond films or you taped them. But I remember being so. I was. such a Bond fan, but still not knowing exactly how many there were and who did what. And it was kind of a crapshoot by looking at the video cover of like, which one is this again? I know they're skiing. Absolutely. And you don't know what to believe because there's also like, you know, when we're a kid, never see never again. Like, wait, there's these other weird things that happened. Yeah, I didn't even understand what was going on there.

And I remember I got on Her Majesty Secret Service home one time. And it took me 40 minutes before I'm like, wait, this is James Bond? I couldn't wrap my head around the fact that this guy was Bond. Yeah. Well, the, you know, I always remember one week, like the movie of the week was the man with the golden gun. And I was looking at that and it's like Roger Moore. And I'm like, wait, this is the James Bond film. I don't know this movie.

Oh, wow. And yeah, it was like a hidden bond. I wish I had that possibility today. Yeah. There's some other you've never seen guys. Right. Because, you know, it was before like I was obsessively, you know, combing through like movie guides and things like that. So, yeah, you could still kind of accidentally stumble into.

a Bond movie. I've had this. Very recently with Netflix streaming everything, I've recently had a Frazier I'd never seen before, which was super exciting for me. And somehow, a Star Trek The Next Generation

I'd never seen before. It was very exciting. It was joyous. It's like they made it for me. I know, I love, love, love Carl Sagan's Cosmos. And circumstantially, I have still never seen the last two episodes, and I almost am saving it for like,

when I know I'm terminally ill. Yeah. It's the same way that I know I'm going to try heroin. Carl, I'm coming. Or it's just I'm going to make my last week on Earth the best. We're going to discover the cosmos together. Just jacked up on smack watching the last two episodes of Cosmos. That's how he shot them.

Guys, update. Someone put a bid in on my other watch. I'm selling on eBay. Oh. It's an Omega, if anyone's interested. Is this a bond America? And Omega. Yeah.

We had this conversation. Yeah. No, it's an automatic speedmaster. You can adjust headphone levels here. Yeah, if I'm too loud, which I often... Plus, there are donuts, if anybody, listeners, want some. We got some on the table here. Yeah, let's sort of jump into the world as not enough.

I remember my excitement level for this movie, top-notch, because I was coming off of the beauty of Tomorrow Never Dies. Do you guys hate Tomorrow Never Dies? I like it. I don't mind it either. I think it's kind of a cool movie. It's a big departure. It's my least favorite bondage.

All of them. Wow. It's so bizarre. You're in for a treat when you rewatch it. Yeah, it has been. But my reasoning on that is because I love a Bond film that goes for broke and is horrible and one that's great. And that one just falls so soundly in the middle for me that I get bored. I don't know.

Well, it was the first one after Golden Eye. And I think that most Bond fans had, you know, we had fallen back in love with Bond. And we were embracing Pierce. And that one just felt fine. It felt like, you know, at the time. But, yeah, going back and looking at it, it's a really strong film. Is it really? Yeah, it's a decent movie.

I like it too. And it's got a villain that has a plan that is different. Granted, it's not that different because he wants to start a war. But the reasoning behind wanting to start the war is so that he can cover it in all of his media outlets. Price is pretty decent. Yeah, Price is good. And Michelle Yo. Yeah.

It's kind of weird, though, too, here. You have Golden Island, and you go straight into that where he's partnering up with somebody. It's like, we don't have Pierce yet. And already he's partnering with somebody? It's like they didn't really set that in. It's the only Bond film since OctopoC that I didn't see in the theater. Really? Was it because Titanic was out at the same time?

I was spending all my time watching Titanic end-to-end. I remember we, yeah, it was my friend's birthday party, and we would always go see a movie. Like his mom would take all the kids to go see a movie. And it was Titanic or that, and we ended up seeing Tomorrow Never Dies, which was a delight. I think, if I'm not mistaken,

I think Star Trek First Contact was out that year, too. What year was it? Oh no, first contact is 96. This was 97, correct? Yeah, this was 97. Yeah. So this one, the world is not enough. What year are we talking about?

This is 99. Two years later when they were in the rotation correctly. And they were hitting in that Thanksgiving. It was always the November release. Yeah. And that was, you know, that was the weird thing about this film coming out in 99, which was such a strong film year that my excitement for a new Bond film was kind of, you know, being matched by Mike. excitement for all these amazing movies that were,

you know, either had come out or, you know, you had Magnolia coming out, you had three kings, you had Fight Club, Jesus. And it was like this great... You're just naming posters I had in my dorm room. Those are the most white guy college dorm room posters. Yeah, so... Betwine next to Fight Club, oh my God.

That's like when Licensed DeKill came out, it was also Batman Last Crusade. Yeah. Oh, it's Ghostbusters 2. That was a huge summer. The Abyss, Summer of 89. Yeah. That was a tough. Yeah, and then license to kill kind of suffered as a result. Yeah, for sure.

The Menendez brothers got it. That's right. We'll talk about it. We have a lot of license to kill stuff to talk about. I'm looking forward to, but today. When you have Davian? Yeah. Today we're talking about the third installment of the Pierce Brosnan series.

The world's not enough. And in a lot of ways, I feel like this might be Pierce Brosnan's best performance. Wow. I think it is my favorite. I think acting wise, yeah. I think he's the least wooden. I think he's an... Well, you know what?

might be who he's juxtaposed with very often in this movie. Whatever do you mean? Well, we'll get to her. Oh, I hadn't even specified. He also gets brought up by a couple of people. Yeah, I agree with that too. I think this of all the bras and films has the best acting across the board, and that's taken into account, Denise Richards, but Sophie Marceau and Robert Carle are really good.

They're great. And Coltrane's, I love him. Yeah, and that's why I think it's the best Broson film. I know that's going to upset some Golden Eye fans out there. All right. So here's the deal, guys. we start in Balboa, Spain, with the brand new museum Frank Gehry designed, which was controversial at the time. I was actually even watching an episode of Frazier last night where they talked about, don't worry about it, but they had talked about it.

This is like when I buzz marketed Valencia Orange refreshers from Starbucks. But they were talking about Frazier was dating this girl because he had a wonderful discussion about how much they both hated the new art museum in Spain. Oh, wow. It's such, so like a Bond movie to go, what's the newest thing? Yeah. Let's just squeeze it in a shot. You know, this movie suffers from a lot, too. They're just cramming in.

The gadgets feel so forced and everything's fun. But anyway, but this opening sequence. The gadget feels ridiculous. Yeah, I got some things to say about those. We talked about this opening sequence. It's the longest one. I thought it was 14. How long as it?

20 something. Wow. 21, 22. The longest opening sequence in a Bond film. Because they were going to break it up, right? What's the story behind this? Yeah, it was supposed to end as soon as he comes out of the window. Right.

And then, I don't know how no one could write a fucking line for Brosnan to say instead of just looking. Like, I felt like, I felt like, like he should have had, sorry, just dropping in or something like that. That's how it was originally, and then they tested it and it didn't do well, like opening sequence. So they brought the boat sequence forward and made it really long. This is Purpose and Way's first. Yes. Is it?

Oh. And this is interesting to me. I'm just going to throw this in right away because one of my big things in Skyfalls are like, we don't want to repeat anything that we've done before, but there's so many things in this that they repeated in Skyfall. They're blowing up of M. The Clean Bill of Health. There's all of these things. M.

Be having, getting kidnapped. or them having a plan against them. And so there's all these things that just repeated again. Like, guys, really. Yeah. And, you know, that's kind of the weird thing is that they, Purvis and Wade kind of came in and they set the template going forward for like what Bond films were going to be and not for the better.

No. I mean, at least, you know, and when they stayed on for Cassina Royale, I mean, that that was kind of one of those. well maybe these guys are dipshits. But no. Well, this is, we've talked about this. They did these last three crags, but there's always been a third writer and you're going, that has to be that third writer, right?

You know, Twine suffers from this, too. We keep calling it Twine, everybody. Because this was written clearly Frankenstein together because, like, Aptead's wife, I think, wrote all the Topium Arceau stuff. Oh, really? Oh, really? Yeah. And it's just, it's really specific.

This movie is like so. Like I said, Frankenstein. It's like all these really disparate parts of it. It is. It could be a bunch of different movies we're all watching scenes from. Because Vic Armstrong did all the action stuff. I don't think Appet even touched them in terms of directing them. And I was going to say, the action sequences, I think, are done really well.

They're shot really well. I think even the stuff at the Caviar Factory, I think, is great. I mean, it's silly, but it's great. That opening, I'll put the opening of this, at least the boat chase, up against any opening of the James Bond film. It is. Well, let's jump into this specific. of the opening here. Well, I'm with you

to a certain extent, and then I got, I got to, what I got to do is just really get something out. Okay, so, listen, Bond is in Spain, uh, and he's there to retrieve money, essentially doing a favor for M's buck buddy. Yeah, which is another thing I want to talk about. They so unsubtling get,

like, okay, we get it. You're fucking you, dude. How many times does she need to wistfully kind of roll her eyes every time his name comes up? Yeah. So he's in there talking to a Swiss banker, and we're going to see our first gadget immediately. Three minutes in, we're seeing our first gadget.

And it is a flash grenade in the butt of his Walter. Yeah, signaled by his glasses. Yes. Also, he makes a couple nice digs at a Swiss banker. Those guys are great, too. The casting in that office is pretty sweet. It is. It is.

But here's my problem. My first problem, getting a knife into the back of the spine like that. It's not going to go in all the way. That's my first note. I'm sick and tired of throwing knives in their effectiveness. You just can't easily throw a knife. She was right in between the third and fourth with vertebrae. She was good.

She hit the base of the brainstem. Ended it all the way through. Okay, so now we see what I think is the least realistic thing in any James Bond movie, which is the length of this goddamn curtain string. Hundreds of feats. That's a Spain thing. They have very long strings. You guys have seen Venetian blinds, right?

Well, these are Spanish blinds. Spanish people have two customs. They like to nap in the afternoon, and they like to be able to close their windows from three stories below on the street before they get up. Because they know they're heading up to nap, and they don't want to get up there and have the circadian rhythms thrown off by light.

This checks out. Haven't you ever been walking around in Barcelona and get tripped up on all the hanging? Yeah. You can literally. Tarzan's answering down any street. A lot of people are saying that that's responsible for the economy collapse in Spain right now.

They were just spending so much on these curtain strings. Guys, let's take a look at this. On the contrary, it's a lot of jobs. Yeah, so his big plan to escape this building after, uh, so he's a... I had to, I rewound it. I'm like, oh, it really is just the curtain string. Yeah, yeah. I watched it with Amanda, and she was like,

what? What? Could that work? Could that work? No. Yeah, well, it could work, but he'd have to go in the window right below. the one that he's jumping out of. Break his back or the other guy's back or something. I also like the scene of him tugging on the string.

Yeah. Like clearly harnessed. Like there'd be no way to be tugging out of string. Yeah. He's tugging on the string. Yeah. So yeah. And then he drops to the ground, people look at him, and then he sort of said something but he didn't. And then now we

go back to MI6. With these terrible titles who has told him to whoever, the Kiron operator, was. I think the titles are terrible. They're just, I don't like the bonds. Oh, yeah. But they're really bad. Yeah. Unlike Quantum. Quantum did that. Quatum's great. It's so good. Like, right in the floor.

It's so good. So, yeah, now we go to MI6 and we see Samantha Bond has really cut her hair down. I wrote down a note that I like her as Moneypenny quite a bit. Okay. I don't know. She just seems to have a little bit of the essence of Lois Maxwell. But a modern gal. Yeah. Uh, yeah, so, okay. He's there, he retrieves the money. There's a fun exchange about cigars because they want to stay current with the Monica

Lewinsky scandal, I'm assuming. That's what they're going for there. Still really works. Really timeless situation. Yeah, really timeless situation. And they have a fancy, a very fancy money counter, which just scans a pile of money and tells you how much is there. Yeah.

That's what that does. This is now, we have this massive money counter in MI6. but when we need to stop the man, no one has a fucking radio. No one has a radio. The best she can do is intercom to the next room. With the wiring ended there. Yeah, I guess someone else has to yell,

and I feel like James would have been able to run. Anyway, so what we see, the way James discovers that, hey, this money, something's going on with it, is there's something going on with his... There's a chemical in it. Yeah. And he's touched the ice, which got his fingers.

I thought that was cool. I agree. I agree. I'm on board. You sound hesitant to like anything in this movie. Well, yeah. No, you're right. I'm with you so far. I just know it's coming.

No, it is. It's kind of inventive. Yeah. Again, it's, yeah. There's some stuff in this, too, where they do try to keep on with the sleuthing, like doing detective stuff throughout this movie. And I think that's pretty well done in this movie. Sometimes we're going to have to have a serious discussion about what my real

problem with these brasins. I feel like I've got something deeper and I need to get it out and I'm not exactly sure. We have to find it out. We're going to bring a therapist in. We might. We might. Bring Emily back.

Hypnotize you or something. Well, so here's, now, I think this is a great, I think this is a great device. But what doesn't, the part where they've already lost me is, I don't understand why this double-O agent is going out to get this money back. Like, I don't understand what the situation is there. It doesn't make any sense to me. Well, it's because of personal, right, because of, I guess so. I guess so.

and so the money he walks in the lapel pin you see a magnesium strip in the in the money ignite that's i like that effect yeah that was good and then uh it blows up well now what do you do right you look out the window and you see a sniper and a boat mind you this is a consumer boat in the middle of the thames i have this note with a 50 caliber machine gun mounted to the back of it in a city and country where the cops don't even carry guns right in the vicinity of MI6. It wouldn't arouse

any suspicion. Not one. She might have had a tarp over it before that. Wipped it off. Don't logic me. Don't you dare.

But she's just there to make sure the job was finished. Yeah. Just like, did you? And then we come up on, for some reason,

on the ninth floor of MI6, there is a wet dock. Yeah. There is a wet dock. It's the floor for money counting and wet.

doctor. Yeah. Yeah. It's curious to me that that would be there. I don't question Q. Q gets a pass. Yeah, I mean, there's got to be a reason. It's just, it's beyond us. Also, he could have launched the torpedoes without jumping out the window and

ended it right there. Absolutely. That's true. He couldn't figure out those controls. It's brand new. He immediately figured out those controls and how to tighten his tie underwater. But he was improvising. That was a, yeah, Brazen and Ablib. Yeah. That was very Roger asked. I enjoyed that.

Here's, let me, just give me a second. I got no problem with the tie straightening. It's a nice, I agree. Roger Moore. It's a nice little joke. I got no problem with the spraying the traffic cops with water. Yep. That was a real, that was a real, yeah, that was not planned.

It had just started. Oh, really? The booting. No other thing that was, like they were taking it on because it was a huge thing. I guess in England got a huge laugh because booting had just become a huge thing. So, but you see it was an accident? Oh, yeah. No, I thought it was an accident that they were filming because they had cameras set up all over.

It was like the sequence was live broadcast on the web at the time. In 1999? Yeah. Wow. It was like, but I don't know if anyone watched it. Like, I don't even remember this, but I looked this up. Yeah. And apparently that was an accident.

But the audience is like it. And if I'm wrong, yeah, you guys. No, that's all right. Oh, they will. But where does this? So now you don't have a problem with that. And then where's the problem coming? My problem, and I think this is getting at the heart of what my problem with the Brosnan films are.

The shift in tone is too nosebleedy. So you go from this really cool boat chase, tie-straining, funny joke, splashing the cops, pretty good, to the farcical ridiculous of being able to steer a boat through the streets of London. Okay, it is what it is, it's horrible. But when you go from that to two minutes later, there's a woman killing herself in a balloon, and then Brosnan falls on the Millennium Dome or whatever it is. And he's so hurt and so much in serious pain. That shift in tone just, it feels like it wants it both ways,

and I just don't buy it. Was your problem the lack of a double take from a pigeon? It would have. This is the same reason I couldn't get into the... The whole movie is this, though. It's just a tonal mess. Yeah. Yeah, I think you're absolutely right about that.

Well, yeah, so, yeah, Bond does take this power jetboat through the streets of London to find a shortcut to meter up on the other end. He turns. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He turns. It doesn't have any wheels.

It's got a rudder? You got a rudder? No. I don't know. It just, yeah. Well, yeah. So that, that, I also wonder how, like,

authorities explain the whole situation of the balloon blowing, everything. So this movie came out at, like, right at the time that every young man, for me, and you just hate every movie unless it's really good. You know, you're snobby. Most it's black and white and Italian.

Yeah, even then, I didn't. It just came at that time, and then that compounded with all of this stuff was, I think, has left such a bad taste of my mouth for the brazen. So I just got to go through some things in my life before I can reset. I think we're going to get you there. I think we're slowly going to get there. I went to see this at the private screening at MGM because I had covered the whole thing. Yeah, yeah.

So I got in. Cool. And I was so excited, and I picked up this girl because I was taking her to the screening on the lot or whatever. So I was like, I got in late. Sweet day. Just, I think I got there, like, just in time. But I, oh, man. Did you drive your speedboat there?

I had a little Fiat convertible. It was my bond car. I had a little Pinnon Farina. So we pulled in. But, oh, man, this movie was so disappointing to do after. But I remember covering all of this boat thing, too, because it was like, was that five weeks of shooting or something. Yeah, it was expensive.

We were getting all the stuff from London for the magazine. And I was putting all the pictures in. And I was so, so excited. But this, the opening does deliver. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that was the, it was actually hyped that opening. And a lot of the critics beforehand were really playing it up.

So I'd read like the New Yorker review. I think Anthony Lane was talking about how it was like the greatest bond opening ever and one of the great action sequences. So I was like, okay, let's go check this out. I was like, yeah, it's not bad. It's still pretty good. It's still. I think it's still. It's still.

It's, you know. And I also, I think him, I think just the act of like that high speed chase then to a balloon. I enjoy that quite a bit. And I also enjoy the aspect of Bond trying to not kill somebody and saying I can protect you and come in. We need your information. And I think that's a fucking great stunt when he drops onto the dome. And then the stunt guy kept missing that thing. And that's why they left that shot in.

I think that's great. Yeah. He does some great face puffing in this movie. It's all history onics. all. But I like, that's another thing I like those. Sustaining a shoulder injury that is going to bother him throughout the entire. Yeah. I like that too. At very skyful

again. He didn't pull a fragment out of it. Yeah. But I like that too. It's just every time someone touches me, is it and is it lower job. But you've been hurt like that. You've been hurt like that? I make those expressions a lot. Not like I looked

into the sun and my wife left me and emotional and physical. I don't know. There's something too much about. Well, that. Brasman's Bond has a very low threshold. It's one of his quirks. You can say what about his acting in this. I think he's a lot of blasé in this, and it's kind of like the third bond. Any time, any actor gets to like their third movie, like they've become Bond.

They've traveled the world as Bond. They've done, you know, they've existed in the world as James Bond. So, like, something happens where there's a nonchalance. Like, if you look at him in Golden Eye, I think even though he might be wooden, he's way more frail than he's in this when he's hurt, you know, quote, unquote. quote when he's winging from the pain. But it just bugs the shit out of me. I think he'll have these great moments. Like, he's up with Sophie Marceau, but then other times he's just, I think, I'm Bond.

I'm walking around his Bond. Yeah. Ultimately, at the end of the day, he's more caricature than character to me. And I can never quite. Well, I think what I do, I like a lot about this particular opening is after the shoulder injury, it just melds into the opening credits. And he drops to the ground and grabs his shoulders. and walks off while the credits are starting.

You didn't notice that? You didn't notice that? How funny. He drops the ground and gets up, holds his shoulder, and walks off of the thing while Shirley Manson's song plays. It's not garbage, guys. It's Shirley Manson. Isn't it?

Well, they credit garbage. Yeah. How much did Butch Vig do on this song? Yeah, because David Arnold wrote it. And I think Garbage and Shirley Manson performed it. But I'm going to give you an alternate song. Well, why would they say garbage and Shirley Manson just say garbage? Probably because they perform.

I don't look, I don't know, but wait until you hear this other song. that way. But this is also like two years after the height of garbage popularity too. Like they kind of miss the boat. Yeah. Well, but isn't that often the case with Bond themes? They're like, because they must agree to this like early on. And so they set down that path. And then all of a sudden the guy, you know, they just have a knack of finding people whose careers are about ready to go in the tank. I remember when A AHA was assigned a living deal. Even then as a kid, I'm like, really? Yeah. I already threw that tape away. Yeah. Just bring Duran Duran back.

I think Adele's probably the most contemporary like she's on the charts right now and here's the thing and for better or worse yeah Jack White for better for worse All right here is some kind of weird oddity I don't know that this was ever officially considered for the film

but it's by the band Straw if the world is not enough Love Straw and woof Take your time Straw Already already on board Slow that's that classic straw Slover

We've already had a 28 minute opening We don't have time for this straw This could not have been a legit Simon Laban Yeah With a little radio hit Yeah It has like the same kind of tempo though

As the garbage tune Yeah But much more language Oh yeah He might be performing this In that SCTV sketch Slane on a bed That's how he records

He had to be propped up on a pillow Here we go So a lot of people really like the garbage Shirley Manson's a sign. I think it's all right. You like it a lot, man. I do like it, yeah. I think as far as they've... I mean, if you look at the last five Bond pictures,

you're looking at, well, I guess we have to go deeper than that now because we've had three of Daniel Craig, but the only one of Daniel Craig's that does it for me is Skyfall. and I think as far as the You like the Cornell, huh? I like the Cornell. I love it. I don't like the Cornell.

I'm definitely not a fan of Cornell. I didn't like it when I saw it now. I've come around. Yeah, I don't like it. I don't like it. And when the bra, I'm thinking about the Brosnan ones, fucking, I think GoldenEye's great.

You get Tina Turner nailing those vocals. I mean, it's a Bono joint, but a Bono the Edge joint. And the Shell Crow one is my secret song that I listen to a lot. I love a lot. I will join you in that. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. I love that Katie Lang. The Katie Lang's original. No, that's fine, too. But I don't instinctively hate the Cheryl Crow. I guess I don't hate it. But I think a lot of people felt really protective of Katie at that time,

like that she'd gotten screwed, which she kind of did. But, yeah. But I do think, I really objectively think that David Arnold, Katie Lang one is a better song than that Cheryl Crow one. So they just put her on because she was bigger. In a couple weeks, we're going to revisit that. We're going to find out together. That's probably the strongest book-ended movie of song, though, right there.

Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what is not, is Living Daylights when they go into that weird pretender. No, I'm thinking more license to kill when they go into that. Where has everybody gone? Yeah, no, that one's all right. I mean, it is what it is, but what is license to kill end with that, oh, is it if there was a man? No, that's Living Daylights, Pretenders, if there was a man. A license to kill ends with this.

Oh, I got to turn this off. Yeah, please. It's like a, I want to say it's not Celine Dion, is it? But it's some weird light R&B pop song or something like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you guys visually, what do you think of these credits? I like them. I like it.

The oil theme is there. Yeah. You know, you get the Derek's out there hanging out, doing their thing. Not quite phallic enough. Tush. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. It is.

It is fine. It's at its best when, like, the oil's pouring. boring on nothing and it turns into a girl. Yeah. And the Derricks is just, I'm just looking at a bunch of CT, you know. And we saw the oil all over the girl in Quantum of Salas. We did indeed. We did indeed.

And now we come out of these opening credits to Scotland. Also, we used in Skyfall. Yeah, interesting. You're saying it's weird that MI6 we get compromised and somehow they'd end up in Scotland. Which movie am I describing? Yeah. We're at the funeral where we have, I love the sad African prince and princess at the very beginning. Oh, I know.

Like, the kings know everybody. Coming to America. Yeah, and we see this castle right, this, which they cut out of the movie, the shot that was going to be neck. The next shot was going to be the DB5 driving into this. So they do that just for time? Because that seems like that. I think they did it just for time because you do see the. DB5 for a split second in the

final footage when they're looking at looking for the heat signature of James Bond. The first heat signature they're on is the DB5. Oh, wow. I didn't. I'm sad. Interesting. I did.

I'm sad. I'm a sad person. Yeah, so we're in Scottish town and there's we first see Sophie Marceau. Lovely. Yeah, she's a lovely gal. She's a great actress.

And I think she does a good job of being very dislikable. by the end of this movie. I think she's overlooked as one of the better bond villains because you don't immediately think of her as a bond villain. Yeah, you don't even think of her bond villain because she's a bond girl. Yeah. No, she's as far as like an actress with like a reputation,

I'd say she is, comes somewhere under like Diana Reg. Yeah, but I mean, she's in that class. Yeah, that's right. You know, wow, you might, this might be a little bit too much actress for a bond girl. Yeah. Yeah. But Terry Hatcher syndrome, right? I mean, oh, sorry.

But to have maybe one of the better. Bond Girls and one of, if not the worst, Bond Girl in the same movie. The worst. It says everything about this movie. I mean, we had just watched Die another day. And I find Hallie Barry's performance so intolerable.

It's so intolerable. And I don't think it's what I think outweighs it is the fact that we don't see Denise Richards as much. And I find Denise Richards 1999 Denise Richards, I could just stare at her all

day. I have no problem with that. They didn't give her a weird haircut like Hallie Barry got. But Hallie Barry I buy at least as a spy more than I do, Denise Richards as a new case. Yeah, but they don't just, you're not just dealing with Hallie Barry, you're dealing with Hallie Barry and Michael Madsen. That's true.

Well, you're dealing with the that, die another day is just such a disaster. And of the things that, like, and it falls apart as soon as like the opening credits are over. And yeah, and by that time, Hallie Barry is the least of my problems with that movie.

So I don't know. I mean, if I, if I were to just examine her performance, perhaps I would, I would put her at that bottom wrong. But, but yeah, I, you know, especially, the problem with Denise Richards is she's, you know, juxtaposed with Sophie Marceau. Yeah. At one point, she's in a room with Sophie Marceau and Judy Dench. Yeah.

And like, even when Sophie Marce was like, did you, did you sleep with her too? Really? I mean, come on. Not to be too crude, but is she the only bond girl with fake breasts? Denise Richards? Because usually they don't go for that kind of thing, and I like that. I like that they kind of try to shoot for something more real. I think yes.

Well, there's your lesson, everybody. I just went through my boobrolodex, which I keep on fun. It's actually a tab. It's always open to my brain. Mine just hits Eva Green than I can't go away from it. She might have even had some posterior enhancement. I don't know. Oh, really?

Yeah. She's just like a bar. Barbie doll. Yeah. And they dress her just like Lara Kraft. Yeah. And that's like a year earlier.

Well, that's what most scientists wear in the field. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Halter, cut, cut, tanked up. Yeah,

we start telling us on putting it. But, like, her role is completely unnecessary in the whole movie. She doesn't do anything. Guys, we haven't even gone to her yet.

I know, no. We're still in Scotland. Okay. So came ourselves. We're still in Scotland. Here's what I'll say. Scott and I got it.

I love that carpet in that, in that castle. I like the castle. I like the, I like the, A couple things I don't enjoy about it. I don't like that... I love Bernard Lee, and I love that he's a painting on the wall,

but I don't... For the sake of timeline confusion, I am a little... Yeah, I'm a little like... Why are we doing that? Why are we establishing... I don't like that they have a medical bay in what looks like a two-story dungeon.

Like, if you're going to have the wherewithal to build a whole medical unit, you don't need rock wall. That's a... It doesn't seem that sad. to me. What is her name? Dr.

He calls her Holly. Oh, I don't know. It's something good. It's one of those, it is a... Is it something? Yeah. Guys, I have... Touch or feel or something to it.

Dr. Dr. Field good. Dr. Touch and screws. Again, the old skyfall thing, clean bill of health here getting checked out. Well, it's important. You know, you don't want to... Guys, this has a 6.3 on IMDB.

As far as movies go. Cigars... Marlis... Oh, it's Molly. Molly Warm Flash. Warm Flash, that's it. What? Is that intend to imply

like she's not young, but she's not old enough to have her hot flashes? What is that even mean? That is the worst bond girl I have ever heard. Is she related to Kristen Scott Thomas? Because she's, what, Serena Scott Thomas? Yeah, Serena Scott Thomas.

You know what? Dr. Warm Flash? Dr. Pre-menopausal? No. Three. Can still have babies, but better think about getting on it. She is the younger sister of Kristen Scott Thomas. Wow, there you go.

Dr. Warm Flash. Everybody listening to this. Just sit down. I think she's... And think about what we've all done as a society. That is the worst. She might have the best ass of any Bond lady that I've ever seen. Or maybe it was just an excellent choice in underwear by the costume department.

I can't get over Dr. Warm Flash. But this is right when Bond asks her to skirt the issue. you. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, skirt the issue and get a clean bill of health,

uh, which leads then to, uh, Samantha Bond delivering two of the more quingeworthy lines, uh, to the job at hand. Yeah. Didn't make a lick of sense to me.

But anyway, the, uh, so yeah, he gets a clean, he gets a clean bill of health so we can get back on the case. I like how he's in the debriefing. Robinson and I wrote it down.

Robinson delivers my, my favorite out-of-context line I've ever seen in the movie which is our only lead committed suicide on the balloon out of context it's never been said by human before on this earth

what is it again? It's our only lead committed suicide on the balloon oh also we didn't mention the line too just like not from him give you safe we didn't mention that which is very odious this is when we see

M we first hear of and she's just sort of just shimmies a little and you can see her. It's a little wistful. So Judy Dench is a brilliant actress, but I even feel like she telegraphs a little bit too much here the first time he's mentioned and she does kind of a pause.

There's an interview with her and I might be on the Casino Royale or the quantum discs but there's an interview with her where she's referring to the world is not enough where she's talking about being in a dungeon and then like having to do something with a clock

and then she goes, I don't remember what movie was that in. I don't remember which one that was in. That's really funny. This is the biggest M of any, to this point. Yeah. The most M had been on screen screen. We went from like three days of shooting to five to like two and a half weeks or something she got. She was a newly minted Oscar winner.

Yeah. So for Shakespeare in Love. Yeah. So essentially they're laying out the plan, or not the plan, but James needs to go protect Sophie Marceau and find out who's responsible. for blowing up a king, and they decide to, before this happens, we see Q.

Giving him the most reverse engineered gadget in the history of the Bond films. Q doesn't even know he's going to the snow. He just knows he's going to Azerbaijan oil fields. So they give him a jacket that is avalanche proof. They also, by the way, that jacket is not the same jacket. He's wearing a ski suit. He's wearing a whole ski suit.

But, but. well that to me let's back up to the worst let's give Desmond Llewellyn his due here the final appearance

yeah but the arrival of Cleese though yeah how do we feel about this you know he gets his coat stuck in the door and then looks up

like what's the problem and he looks up like the problem he's in a completely different movie everyone is that's the problem there are eight movies going on here

is he now that that is a tonal deaf scene right there because it's countered with the you know ushering out uh yes yes we're gonna sweeten by but also this ridiculous here's the new goofy guy driving the boat through the streets of london keogyn's jacket cotton looking up are in the same movie and then cue's little goodbye and her killing herself in a balloon are in the same movie yeah well kews goodbye is one of those moments that it's very sad but also he looks like he doesn't want to go

he looks he's looking up so helpless and and as he just lowers through the through the floor you guys mention this before too he says the two things that I always told you that he's never ever said never let them see you bleed it's so vague because you don't get the feeling that if another movie comes around they wouldn't put them in

you could just feel the producers going this guy's very gonna die soon oh I think that's absolutely exactly what they did And you see that in his face like, it's basically the Monty Python sketch of. I'm not dead yet. You know, I still want to do these. No one's asked. You were talking about, you know, today being sad about celebrities passing.

But I interviewed Desmond a month and a half before the car accident. And he was such a lovely guy. I can imagine. And like every minute of that. And like his favorite movie was License to Kill because he got to do all that stuff and go on location and his eyes lit up. And he still loved to talk about license to kill. And what a cool. guy. And then when I heard that news, I

had a little moment in my car. Yeah, me too. Oh, man. Because he's there's no one that doesn't love him. And why was he driving himself around too at that age? He got bonered through a lot of those movies because he was in like day rate for a lot of them. So yeah, he was not

getting, so like he was there for a day and like he was coming back for day rate. Oh, terrible. How old was he when he died? He was like 84, I think. Yeah. Yeah. But, but in some ways probably best that his last film wasn't Die Another Day. Yeah.

Yeah. That would be. Yeah. But this is where we see, obviously, the introduction of R, who then becomes Q. And I say R because in the world isn't enough Nintendo 64 game, John Cleese talks to you, and he is in, when you are talking to him, it says R. So they actually did name him R. Yeah, because in Dying another day, do they call him anything? They call him Q. He finally, at the end, he says, he calls him. quartermaster and then by the end of the

scene he's grown fond enough with him to be calling him Q. Around the invisible car. That's a little, around the invisible and at the end of this movie are when the thermograph is on that, it's true and he pulls a serious bros before hose.

Yeah, he sure does. He sure does. His nuclear physics is true. But this is where we meet the BMW Z8 Roadster which was manufactured for three, four years. I think there's a little over 1,500 of them that were sold in the United States. And if you want to buy one right now, they're still going for about $115,000 to $125,000.

And they were brand new. They were $1.25. Wow. So because there's so few of them out there, it's quite a collector's item. And, you know, I say go for it. If you can afford it, get one. Yeah. Yeah, sure.

We could pull some cash. Yeah. There were four of us? It was a big thing when... Clarkson hated it on the second season of Top Gear. Oh, really? He said, and the reason, his reasoning for hate it was, it was a car that couldn't decide if it was a roadster or a supercar. I feel like that's a great car.

Yeah. If you're stuck between those. Well, it fits for this movie if it can't decide. Yeah, that's very true. The car does not do much at all. It doesn't do much. You never, we used to drive for like a minute. Yeah.

He's got the top down. It's a good looking car. Coming off the car chase from Tomorrow Never Dies, too. I think that was sort of what they, I think that, because they went so far from, from Golden Eye where the BMW Z4 was in it and it did nothing because it may just had to point at it because they didn't have a chance to do anything to it as special effects team then they felt like let's make up for that with this with this BMW Ford or sedan let's give James Bond a sedan uh I know that's it's might be a minivariah

and uh it's left in an avis yeah it does it does uh it could have killed so dynburo have a auto reservi it I can ask for a rental car in German because of that movie. But the, I can ask for a hotel room because I'm a teacher on sabbatical that won the lottery. But they went so far, the special effects team went so far to make up for the fact they didn't have any gadgets in the car in the, in Golden Eye. So that's why they're such a crazy chase scene in Tomorrow Never Dies. And then in this one, I think, because the car did so much, they decided to peel it back and

then cut the car in half as a joke. Right. But it's an afterthought. It just feels like it just shows up and then, you know, he does a little bit of what he did. Yeah. He almost forgot that he had the car there. We're going to like, oh, right, the car's here. Yeah.

No, it's, I don't know. Yeah, guys. Well, yeah, no, it's just I liked the car and I wish that the car didn't get cut in half. I guess, is what I'm going to say? Yeah, it's one of the least memorable cars because it's not in the movie that much. Right. I think I have to say this. I'm just realizing this now.

I'm not a huge fan of any of the bond. car gadget moments. I think Bond is at his best when he's just... I don't know. They always seem a little bit too much for me, even Goldfinger. You don't like when he... Yeah, throws the ejector seat on the guy. You don't like when he decides

to put out those Spartacus-like spikes out of the side of the as of the Astin Martin and tear through a Mustang? Maybe I like the living daylights. That may be also my favorite Ashton. Oh, yeah. Oh, with the skis? Yeah. That's a great. It seemed, you know, kind of real, too. Yeah, it did seem a little real somehow. Why is that?

Yeah. So guys, here's now where we see the hologram medical scan, which has a great Pierce Broson moment in it. And the moment is when he's touching the bullet hole. Like, he's touching light, not touching anything. And then the doctor starts talking, and then he gets embarrassed, and he pulls his hand out, goes, He does a very subtle, I didn't notice it.

He does a very subtle I'm embarrassed in front of this, like, and I really genuinely enjoyed that I thought it was like a coy like ooh naughty me yeah I thought it was just like the doctor just saw me do this the doctor just saw me touch a light it's a little ridiculous

but I think I like the concept with this villain that he's got limited time and he can't feel pain is kind of interesting I like they kind of oversell it like hey he can't feel pain I think it's enough like he only gets stronger before he dies

he goes stronger every day the problem with that he can't you know he can't feel pain but then he's picking up, you know, hot rocks. And, you know, you're like, okay, well, he can't feel pain, but he can scar. Right. He could, like, you know. Yeah, and then he's going to blister anyway.

Yeah. And his hand skin might fall off, which would be a problem. I had a friend who had a left arm with no nerve endings. Oh, yeah? We were, we went out of play once, and he was stuck to the set because his hand had gone through a nail and didn't know. But he had stuff, like, happening to him all the time, just because you don't realize when you'd bang your hand to recoil. And he'd get it burned and all that stuff. So I would think we're just.

Bernard would be covered. Yeah, just covered in scar. Yeah. Well, he's freshly... All the shape of his stove. In this stuff. But his, his acting is so good and so subtle in this movie. It belongs nowhere in this movie.

It belongs. And he does, he's doing a very, very good job. I feel, you feel so sympathetic for him. Not only when it's, like, he can't enjoy sexual pleasure, right? Was that the implication with... Yeah, when he's touching her, so you can't feel it anyway. Yeah, and she's mistreating him and using him. You just feel bad for the guy.

Yeah. Poor Reddard. Poor Fox. Poor Fox. He's too good for this movie. So, where am I? Okay, now we see Sophie Marceau doing her thing as the head of King Oil, where she saves a church. And everybody's really happy about that. Telling us she's a good person.

And then we got to go check the pipelines out. So did you pack a ski? I've never been so frustrated with locations to me. I remember when I first saw this, like to not know. where in the world something was. It might just been my own geography thing, but I don't think they'd do such a... Because I didn't know Azerbaijan had snowy cliffs and all this stuff. You're like, I'm learning way too much right now. Yeah. It feels like it's a thing. It's too exotic. Yeah. Is that possible? And this is where we meet the Parahawks. This is where we meet the guys sent to Kill Bond that they think the most efficient way to do this is to throw grenades out of Parahawks.

That's what they're doing. They're throwing grenades. And grenades, and grenades, that have so much fire in them. Yeah. Well, that was the problem. I mean, I know when we were covering this, they're like, we scoured the world to find the newest, coolest in stuff. I'm like, why? It's so forced. If you cut this whole scene out, again, this is, if the director's cut, take this all out,

much better movie. It's so silly. Well, this is the point when Bond says, head to the trees, I'll, or head, you know, get for cover, I'll take him to the trees. And then he thinks he gets a guy, and a guy goes over a cliff. And then he goes, see you at the lodge. and then his face is, one other parachute.

Oh my God. How do you have two? I just, I just quipped you. It's over. When I quip, you die, that is the order of things.

But he still doesn't have to worry about him because he's lower in elevation than he is. He can't come back up. But he still goes for it. He still cuts his fucking shoot with some skis. Oh, Jesus.

But see, that's the thing, the sequence, actually the sequence is really well staged. It's, I think, a great sequence. Unfortunately, it's like the fifth freaking ski scene in a Bond movie and it just,

although Arnold really kind of rouses, yeah, he's the best part of this thing. Boy, he gets, he gets real close to Barry on that. And it's, it really enhances the sequence, but yeah, there's just kind of a moment, like, I remember there's a moment where, you know, he, he kind of lifts up his pole as if he's going to use it. And I was like, oh, is he going to

have the rifle in there, like in Spy Who Love Me? And, you know, there's just, it's constantly referencing the other films and you're wondering, you know, did they, you know, his new model of skis? Like they decide that rifle thing was just too much. Yeah, it does reference a lot of films, but in a way that doesn't go far enough, but goes too far without going far enough. Does that make sense?

Like when she... Here's the tunnel trouble, too, because the job of it's to endear her to him. Like, he's protecting her. This is the first time, but he doesn't do that till the end when he blows up the dumb suit or whatever. Yeah, right. Is she in danger ever during this? I don't know. You don't feel it.

She's just freaking out. But there was a moment where she says the bond, have you ever lost, a loved one. And so then they cut to Bond and you're obviously thinking I already lost his wife. And he just does a look and I distinctly feel that's like a look for the Bond fans but we don't want to go as far as to say I was

married once because this generation won't remember and we don't want to do the work. And it just feels very lazy. Oh did he marry Terry Hatcher before she died? But also I think part of it too is like him thinking of his parents also I assume.

you know in the old Batman fashion okay so now we get to pretty great scene I think is in Baku at Zarcovsky's casino I enjoy I enjoy the ridiculousness

of the x-ray glasses I think it's so campy it's so campy but I think in the correct way and to be that's the introduction or reintroduction of Zarkovsky like who's such a, you know, over-the-top Russian, you know, character that I enjoyed seeing again, much in the way I actually enjoyed seeing Joe Don Baker a second time in Tomorrow Never Does.

Yeah, Coltrane is really good in this. Do you guys know how they shot the X-ray thing? Because you can, watching it, you can see that all the guns are painted white and they must have done some post-production. It's on the special features. So what do they do? You just, everybody's wearing C through clothes or what? Yeah. They just, I think they looked like they just matted it later.

It wasn't they need you use green screen or anything. They had everybody had two outfits. Everybody had the real outfit and everybody had the x-ray outfit, which was just a light, like, sheer coats with the things and everything like that. Oh, wow. Yeah. Which, you know, it's always disappointing when you find out how things are doing like that. I figured that's what it was.

But his look, his glances in that are so over the top. They're so over the top. But it's just because, I think it's because you're looking at, like, just women that are bent over and, like, you're imagining what he's saying. and then when you actually do see what he sees. And this guy, if you drop him, that's James Bond's Achilles' heel. Is if you drop him in a room of beautiful women. Absolutely, but he's a master spy who can avert a glaze. He's not the guy who talks to the girls.

She's like, I saw you. Look at my boobs. You would never know if I did it. And in this, he's basically like Tex Avery tongue hanging out of his mouth. Oh, God. I, ooh, ah, ooh, ah. Yeah. So, yeah, he wants to see Zarikovsky.

so he does. We reintroduced to him. First time we meet him, obviously, he's in Golden Eye. Yeah. When good old many drivers up there singing. That's another pop song. Remember we had that discussion

about how many times does a pop song end up in the Bond movie? Stand by your man. Yeah. So. Someone potent that out, by the way. Yeah, we meet sarcastic. I think one of the great, great lines in Bond history when I think is, why am I worried?

I'm suddenly, you know, I'm not. More insurance. Yeah, we're not carrying enough insurance. Why am I suddenly worried I'm not carrying enough insurance? Oh, yeah. Which I think is the perfect line for a guy that's been with James Bond before, regardless of what era it is. Yeah, yeah.

I think, I thought that was a great line. I think for me, though, I think he's a little too, it's a little too comic reliefy. I feel like he just brought it back just a hair. Well, maybe it's because I'm just so used to Coltrane's, like, really broad comedic stuff, that here it feels like this is a model of restraint, compared to like nuns on the run or something. And he is a movie I had not thought of since I saw it on VHS. That's what I'm here for.

There are boobs in it, everybody. That's what I remember as a kid. But Coltrane's having a grand time here, and it's just it's infectious. Yeah, it's really great. And I like seeing him again. And then Sofermoresoe comes in to do a high card draw, which is secretly a payment for something. Oh, was that a plot point? That was a plot point.

That was a plot point. It pays up really lightly later. Also, I just love the idea of them somehow having to disguise the fact that they're paying, like, there should be no tension whatsoever in the scene of, like, bury the top three. And, like, Coltrade should not have a reaction to it whatsoever. He'll eventually get the money. It doesn't matter. It's a formality. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, you know, you can just take the fucking certificate. and then call it a day. Put it in his money scanner to see how much money is in the certificate. We have a smaller one than MI6. The travel scan. So this is now when we see, this is the scene. After this scene, we were immediately brought to the caves, to the fire caves.

Devil's Breath. Devil's Breath. Where is this place where there's a John F. Kennedy, eternal flame burn and rocks. Confused by this movie. Well, listen. Too exotic. Like, well, it's something in the land of the lost here. The slider, Robbie, he gives a good performance.

He does the old specter where he kills the guy you don't think he's going to kill, which I enjoy that. I think had they cut to this, this is the first time we're seeing him. And it's kind of a weird, like, it's late. He's not in big super late. Silva levels of late. Yeah. But he doesn't come out, I mean, when he shoots the guy, that's pretty intense. but he comes into a negotiation, which is really peculiar.

And he's not like a sinister mastermindy guy from what we've heard about him. He's like insane and doesn't feel pain. I had they cut to a scene of him beating the crap out of somebody or in something, doing something. Maybe beating somebody up in a punching bag? I think you're right. I like that he's not, but not for this movie. It doesn't work for this movie. But in a good Bond movie, you wouldn't want anything more, you know?

Yeah. It's believable. But in this, it's almost not believable because it's believable. Yeah. Boy, it's not a memorable entrance. Like, he's just kind of there. I'm now... In the back lighting's a little goofy.

No, the shot, like, it's the angle that Apted chose is... I'm now immediately upset that I remember the name of the other two guys in the scene. Oh, what are they? Dr. Arkov and Davidov. Speaking of Aptad, he's a curious choice for a Bond director.

I mean, more so than most. Well, I mean, they wanted for all the relationship stuff. And that's... But it feels like wasted on these bond movies. Yeah. Wasted. It's, well, you know, Apted had that, he could work both sides of the street.

You know, he did, you know, the seven-up documentary. Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking of. Renowned documentarian. But, you know, he would also do stuff like the, God, now, Coal Miner's daughter. Nuns on the wrong. Yes, no, what was the, the, because he did instant Oguala,

and then he did the film with Val Kilmer. and the Native American Thunderheart Yes Sorry, I was searching for the title But that's what Apted You know, he could make that conventional action film So it's not the weirdest choice

But he is kind of He's done two episodes of Masters of Sex Currently on Showtime He's done a Ray Donovan This is what he's up to lately He did chasing Mavericks Which I didn't see It's about surfing a giant wave

And one of the Narnia's Wow, did he really? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so it's, it's, but pre-bond. Pre-bond, yeah, pre-bond, you're looking at, obviously, the up documentaries. Probably in the mist. Yeah, Stardust.

Nineteenny-four's Stardust, everybody. I didn't realize, he did coal mine his daughter. Did you say that? No, I think you said that. No, I didn't. Someone else? I thought he did. Oh.

He did. He did. I was doubting it. I was doubting it. And then I was... Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, Thunderheart was kind of like the one that I was thinking of.

That's just like... Yeah, it's an action film with a little something on his mind. But... He also did Nell and Gorillas in the Mist. Yeah. An action film with something on his mind. I love that description. That could be its own genre.

What is another action film with something on its mind? What would that be? Chain reaction? Patriot games. Chain reaction. Chain reaction, everybody. Oh, my God. Action film was something on its mind.

Do you realize that we're this far into the movie and we have, like, we're this far into the podcast, rather, and we have yet to get to. We're just about to get to Denise Richards' appearance in the movie. So let's do the, I'm going to do a little shorthand here. Bond decides to kill Davada or to hop in Davado's trunk of his Land Rover and sort of does a little improvisation. I do like the look that Brosnan gives when the trunk is opened. The little smirk and then punch in the face. Have we skipped where he and Sophie Marceau have done it and you get one of the rare nipple-sliples in a Bond movie?

We did skip it. I'm sorry. And diamonds are forever are the only... Nipple slipples? Yeah, not including the pre-title sequence or the title sequence. Yeah, well, there's plenty of those. I don't mean to be so boob-centric to me. No, I mean, we're all...

Electra's cleavage in the casino alone, just plowing through there. It's mesmering through. Dr. Christmas Jones is going to be introduced to us all By the way, I like that James Bond's Universal Exports ID is essentially a college ID that was laminated That was laminated by blockbuster And he just happens to have his picture on it Do we see the universal exports thing in the other Brosnan's?

This is the first reference? Does he use it in the other? He does. Tomorrow never dines? Yeah, well he used it in Diner the Day He says he's from Universal Exports Right I meant previously to this ID popping up.

I didn't know if it was a... I'm trying to think of it. Dining of the Day, I think... No, he's a banker. What was the shorthand they had for that that you caught that one time? The abbreviation. Oh, uh...

Univex. Univex. Yeah. Univex. What movie was that? I think that's a Craig movie. Yeah. Quantum or something?

Yeah. Univex. So here we are. It's Christmas Jones. He now has to take the, the position that Davidoff gonna take as this rogue doctor at this nuclear missile silo

they're trying to de-dangerify the bombs and Christmas Jones is in charge of this whole operation Boy, does she run him through the Good Lord! Don't say any jokes I've heard all the jokes. I don't know any doctor jokes. Pretty clever, I guess I'm into you now.

That's the moment. You look at her face. That's the moment she decides to fuck him. only acting she does. That's the moment she decides to fuck him. When I interviewed her for this, I was under the impression that I don't think she ever read any part of the screenplay that wasn't hers. She had really no idea what was going on. It wouldn't matter. No.

No. No, she was brought in as window dressing. Yeah. I don't think she'd seen a Bond film either before. But I mean, but I want to know what the decision-making process was on that, that you're going to have a nuclear physicist. Mm-hmm. And you're going to cast like a. a WB level actor.

I can't understand it. It just baffles me because the film is playing, you know, I kind of said that it reminds me of fear eyes only in the way that it's kind of a serious bond for the most part. And then you all of a sudden you bring in this element that is just so laughable and so misjudged. I mean, it throws the movie completely off balance and whatever was interesting about it. The minute she shows up, I'm just, I just. She should have been, like, Tanya Roberts' part in view to a kill. Seriously.

That's us bad, yeah. Were there ever any alternate choices that were up for that role? I'm going to look that up. I don't remember when they flew her to London for the screen test, and then we knew. Listen to this bit of trivia that I just was reading. Joe Dante and Peter Jackson were offered the opportunity to direct this film. Oh, my God. That would have been amazing.

Barbara Broccoli enjoyed Jackson's Heavenly Creatures, and a screening of the Frighteners was arranged for her. She disliked the Frighteners. and showed no further interest in Jackson. Wow. Oh, hey, you guys were talking about Barbara, like having a little crush on her? Yeah.

It was really great. So when we were... Oh, yeah, we love her. I know, yeah. But it's a very funny in Barbara's story. So when I was working for the foundation, we used to go to Cubby's house a bunch to, like, go shoot his Thalberg Award and, like, do all the stuff.

And so I met her a bunch of times. Cut to, like, three years later, after I'd quit the magazine and stuff, I was working, driving limos. And who do I pick up? But Barbara Broccoli. Oh, my God. And she gets in my limo and we're driving.

And I'm like, do I say, anything? Like, hey, actually, I was taking her to the house, and I go, I've actually been to your house before for the filming foundation of her house. I haven't met, and she goes, that's nice. Iced me. And then when I was unloading her bags, it was the most

uncomfortable moment. But she is lovely. That is, that is upsetting to me. I don't want that to happen. I'm just, I was looking for some sort of, like, who else was up for this role of Denise Richards? And I can't see she was top of the list they got her they shut down they were like we are

good to go they wrote the script around do you think we'll get her guys yes alright well hey listen you win some you lose some guys and we definitely lost this one uh so yeah we're at the nuclear site this is where bond encounters

uh... Renard and this is I think this is a good this is a good meeting I think this is a good meeting of of Bond and villain. Where are they? They're in the... The basement of the silo.

Yeah, they're in the silo. Yeah, they're in the silo. Yeah. Because Bond briefly gets the upper hand. Bron, yeah, very much so. And Bond, you know, very much, I think, yes, I'm going to, as soon as I put the silence around and I'm going to blow your fucking head off. And I believed that, and I enjoyed that.

And it's like what you would... What a logical step would be for James Bond to do and not a sort of situation where you're watching a James Bond movie going, like, why are you doing? doing that, you should be doing this. This is a very logical step and then it gets interrupted by by the foreman, by the foreman who

had been alerted by Dr. Christmas Jones that this movie needs to go for another two hours. Denise Richards was attracted to the role of Christmas Jones as she found the part to be brainy, athletic, and had depth of character. A change in direction from previous Bond girls. Audiences

did not agree and often consider Christmas to be the worst Bond girl ever. This was the first Bond film to win a Razzie in the category of we're supporting actress for the same reason. She deserved that, Razzie. Yeah, she worked for it. She really, really, really, really did.

But I like this Carlisle. I think this Carlisle-Brasn seems great. I think they're both giving par performances. Yeah. So I'm going to go out of a limb and say that, everybody. I'm with you. Like this could have been such an amazing movie. Yeah, there's parts of it that are very, very promising,

and there's parts of it that are the most ridiculous. You know, just needed another, you know, hour or two in the oven, like, just in the writing of it. You know, but... This is when we see now, this is when we see the Omega. The battering. The grappling hook, Omega. What is the...

What are you making a face, Matt? There was an alternate consideration. Oh, boy. Tiffany Amber Tyson. Deason. Deason. Sorry, either way. Better actress, actually.

Yeah, probably. She probably still would have to be taking the Razzie home for this one. Now, apparently... Well, there's part of me that's like, watching this movie last night I was Craig Rowan who's a writer on

Midnight with me improvisers from New York he and I were watching it and we were sort of discussing whether or not it was the script being bad as far as her dialogue is concerned or if it was really just her performance

and there was a moment where we realized it was her performance and the moment is when when she's in the scene with Coltrane and Brosnan and if you listen to the dialogue

that Brasen and Coltrane are saying it's just as stupid and just as ridiculous is what she's doing, but there's no, there's nothing behind her performance. There's no, there's no emoting on the face. It's all very wooden. It's all very monotone throughout the movie. Yeah, it is. But I also feel like she's trying to be taken seriously.

Like she's like, I'm playing this as if I know what I'm saying. And it just, it fails so spectacularly on that count that you end up with this, this, you you know. Matt, you drive the strength for a second. Cut out of this movie, though. You have the exact same movie. If you cut her part out. You really do.

She does nothing that no one else could do. You know what I mean? It's she does, she doesn't, the bomb he decides, I'm not going to diffuse it. Yeah. Which is what her main function there is.

She does let him out of a, she does let him out of a locked area of the submarine. Sure. After, you know. You tell me to drive it for a second. You could have thrown a knife at the button. We have another alternate song that I have that I thought was for Tomorrow Never Dies, but it's actually for The World is Not Enough.

And it's an interesting choice that actually grew on me. I really like this song. It was written by David Arnold, sung by Scott Walker. Just check this out. This is real. What film was this word? This for the world is not enough. Like the end credits, apparently.

But it's super. It's so. 60s. Yeah. It almost seems like a joke, but it's not. It's called Only Myself to Blame. This is very from Russia with love. Yeah, yeah, super from Russia, but Matt Monroe.

Yeah. All right, I'm going to play a clip. Okay, this is the clip. This is the clip from the moment. The sun ain't going to shine anymore? Yeah, okay. But it's got some great muted trumpet there. Grab that chord there.

That's music for a rainy bond day. Yeah. A rainy bond day. That's like when he's going to the grave of Teresa and he's just... Do you think he'll ever revisit the grave of Teresa? Maybe. Hopefully not because it says 1938 to 1970s. Oh, well, like, yeah.

Because Bond, the Fleming Bond was born in 19. I think I just read the new Bond book and I really kind of liked it actually Well, I always wondered if they would just say oh screw it well we'll just bring her Teresa back like you know Reinvent it continuity is just you know it's out the window like do it again you mean yeah like do do on her majesty Secret Service I would love that again would be amazing I wish they would start remaking some of the novels Well yeah you could do that and then and yeah and I'm a way to just use John Perry's score again I'm interested to review I'm interested to revisit never say never again just to see how much better is than the slow-moving Thunderball. I don't know that it's better

because I haven't seen it since the late 80s. It's more entertaining. Is it? Yeah. Than Thunderball? It may not be better, but it's more entertaining. Well, Thunderball's one of those that I thought I loved when I was a kid and I went back to watch it and I was like, boy, this is, yeah.

I still love it. I still really love it. So here's a little bit of the Coltrane juxtapose with Denise Richards, juxtapose with Pierce Brosman. This is the scene from the caviar factory. Sovi Marceau, taking the phone call from Goldie. Goldie, of course, a popular rapper at the time in England. Dating Bjorch.

Dating Bjorg. Yeah, oh, is that what he was? He was just a DJ. Good Lord. Who are you? And how did you get in? I'll call security and congratulate them. This is graduating, right?

Can't you just say hello like a normal person? Go last. No, no, no, no, no, no, down the back. This is good, I think this is good bras nining. Yeah. What's your business with Electra King? I thought you were the one giving her the business. Oh.

She drops a million dollars in your casino and you don't even blink an eye. What's she paying you off of? Hmm? You know, if I were you, a relationship with a man like that, I wouldn't bet on it. Good folly work. I don't want a 20 megatron nuclear bomb can do. What are you talking about? nuclear bombs solar machine.

We're not an electric king of working together. I never know. Well, what do you know? And then we see the, I'm going to say the most unnecessary device ever attached to a helicopter. Wow. We have a nuclear bomb. I'm not attached. But like, if you're listening.

He even looks at it like, we don't need it. Yeah, you just slow down. Oh, we got it. The look is not like a character, not like Christmas Jones. It's like, we don't want this line in the scene, right? We're going to cut this. He looks at the camera. But that's the moment where you realize how out of her league she is in this movie.

I think this is the better. I really do think that these performances from everybody, including Am, I think this is the best of the Brosnan era. As far as acting performances go. For villain, you know, I might give the edge to... Sean Bean? Sean Bean's very good, but I don't think... Acting-wise, I don't think so. I feel like Bond villain-wise, I feel like,

God, what's his face? Tomorrow never dies. No. I feel like he's so over the top. In the best Bond way possible. Okay, all right, as long as we're qualifying. I think in the best, in the... Tomorrow's News Today.

Yeah, I think that that is just, that's got the all-time. He fits the tone of the film better. Did you, did we catch the Michael G. Wilson a cameo in this movie? No, but it wasn't either. I didn't either. I was a spot the Michael J.O. Wilson. I'll go back to Brazen and this at the Junk. I'll find it.

This is what I was talking about him kind of like swaggering through this at moments. Like he's got some great stuff and the pain. But when I said, I asked him, I said, well, what do you want everyone to remember you for through the Bond series? I go, you know, this might be your last one. You might have one more. He goes, I'd like to be remembered as the guy who kills him

off. Like, were you fucking Michael G. Wilson? No, no, no. No, no. No, this is Brazzan. Wow. I want to be the guy who kills him off. Oh, boy. Well, he was well on his way. Yeah. But, you know, Rosnin was the one. I interviewed him later for some awful lawyer comedy with Julian Moore. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he, you know, I asked him about, you know, die another day and kind of the failure of it. And, you know, and he was very open about the fact that he was like, we wanted to, I wanted to make a serious back to forming bond. He was like, that's what the opening of the film is. That's what you're seeing is what the bond I, for which for die another day. Oh, right. And he was like that, you're.

seen what you're seen there is like what I wanted to do with Bond yeah and he's like and then it became another movie yeah but he has the power to stop that I don't know what I don't know how powerful the actors in the bond contracts are I really don't oh I thought you're talking about Michael D. Wilson oh no no I'm talking about my problem no no this was this was prozman and no and they're really all I think they're really even Dale Craig I think is really at the whim of whatever broccoli and and Wilson want to do by the way they're getting producers guild awards yeah The two of them.

So do we sneak over to the dinner? Yeah, let's do it. She loves you. Let's do this. It remembers me, like, no business. Michael G. Wilson is in the casino when Elektra is signing her $1 million check. He's in a background. Tuxedo.

Kids look for that. Look for that. Michael G. Wilson. It's very easy to spot in Tomorrow Never Dies. He even has a line. You know who else has a cameo on that? Gerard Butler. Does he really?

He's in the opening. Yeah. like naval. He plays the butler? Yeah. Yeah. He plays the butler. Let's talk about how M is dressed like a Bond villain in this movie.

She's dressed like Donald Pleasins. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's dressed exactly like Donald Pleasins. Okay. So we talked about this scene. Now, I don't remember if this scene,

guys refresh my memory, if this comes after before the pipeline, that's after the pipeline, the caviar scene, correct? Oh. Good question. Wow. We've just totally. I mean I mean it is

I see where he confronts a little oh and then I yes okay Pipeline's next yeah Pipeline this is I don't know What are your rules About bathroom break

Something Take one Yeah Take one At your own risk You're now off the podcast No no no I'm gonna

We're gonna find the order Of this situation Here we go But okay I'm gonna This movie This movie gets It's too convoluted

For its own good It doesn't matter It's the problem Like as I was watching it, I was having trouble following it a second time. And I was like, is this even being paid off? Is this just like kind of, it feels like it's a lot of like just story ideas that got wedged together. And that were bar. Well, yeah, that's true.

But even more so in this one. But yeah, this movie, it's got like double blinds. Like, you know, she's really the bad guy, but he doesn't think she's the bad guy. Because the bad guy is actually working for her. But the working bad guy doesn't know that he's working for her. I know. How many people? You are kind of led to believe Coltrane's bad, but we know he's not.

Yeah. Goldie switches, Elektra switches. Renard is kind of ambiguous in some sense. Who else? Well, hang on. Here's what I wanted to talk about. There's a scene in this movie, which I think is, I think, for my money, is the best, is Brosnan's best acting. And it is when he goes back to confront her about her being in on it.

And it's after the scene and the thing when his shoulder gets squeezed by thing. And Robbie Coltrane Carlisle says exactly the line. What's the point in living if you don't feel alive? Yeah. And he confronts her about that. And I really think that that, I think that that's his best moment. and I'm trying to fucking, I'm trying to find it. And all that comes up on YouTube, of course, is the sex chair.

Isn't that also in the song? Don't they use those lyrics in the Bond song, in the garbage song? What's the point of living if you can't feel alive? I think they do. They should if they didn't. Yeah. In the pipeline, they make this big, like, cutaway scene to, oh, no, the screws are stripped. We're never going to get this off.

No, there's what happens. James Bond says the screw's been stripped, and then fucking Christmas Jones says, someone's tampered with the bomb, which is exactly what it means. Yes, and then they cut away and cut back, and it's dismantled. Yeah, that's...

Who knows what's in that, Omega. Do you have, it's basically saying, like, do you have your Allen wrench? No, but I have my cut away for convenient editing. Yeah, I have a... Let's just get out of this. Well, did anyone, the pipeline, you know, it's kind of a, do anyone think of living daylights? Yeah, did too.

Yeah, sure. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, and that giant Russian lady with the huge hits. With the big boobs that the guy keeps burying. Again, I remember boobs. So I don't know what it's back. It's a boop guy. That's a producer's award right there.

Yeah, all that is coming up. When Brian's in the sex chair. I want everyone to look, to go back to the scene where she, where Brosnan confronts Sophie Marceau about her feeding, being the, being the mole, being the leak, being the person that is talking to Renard. Because I think that's, I think that's Pierce Broson's best performance. Yeah. And then he goes right to being in the sex chair where he's doing more hurt acting. Well, that's the next time you see. Me. That on hinged jaw.

Yeah, it's like a python going after a marmoset. I don't know what it is. I don't know what this is. I love that device, though. I love that chair. Well, let's take a listen here. All right. Hang on.

This is the suit that you love that Brosman has. This is my favorite suit. This linen suit with this blue shirt. I wanted to buy it. It went up for auction last summer from the... The real one? Yeah. How much do they want for?

It was estimated 11 to $15,000. You got to wait for that roll back into fashion. Linen wrinkles, man. Who's the guys got that at home? We've got to explain it to his friends. No, it's called... The world was not enough. You had her too?

I'm gonna. Turn this up. You guys, please. I could have given you the world. The world is not enough. Foolish sentiment. Family motto. The title of this movie.

They were digging near here. Found some very pretty vases. They also found this. This chair. Digging. This chair. They found it in the ground. Look at him go.

Look at him go. When she shows the chair, does he faint? Does he kind of like do a... Oh, not the chair. I have been there before. Yeah. I think we ignore the old ways of our parents. Don't you?

Where's him? Soon she'll be everywhere. Because you fell for a nun. That'll come in handy, guys. The hat next to the gun. Five more turns and your neck will break. I've always had a power over man. When I realized my father wouldn't rescue me from the kidnappers,

I knew I had to form another alliance. You turned Renard. Just like you, only you were even easier. I told him he had to hurt me. Does this part affect you, the bad, C.G? Oh, yeah, a little bit. Yeah. It's not that horrible.

And I understand that's how I have to do that. But for the 1999, it's better than the Silva thing. Facial collapse. He killed me the day he refused to pay my ransom. Was this all about the oil? It is my. God. That jaw.

Mine and my family. He's just acting. It's pure acting. It's like when he choked on the shrimp and Mrs. Doubtfire. He was allergic. Everything he does is life or death, even write a check. The glory of my people. No one will believe this meltdown was an accident.

They will believe. They will all believe. You understand. Nobody can resist me. You know what happens? The man is strangled. It's the first time we all heard about our erotic expiation. It's not too late.

For those of you at home, she's straddling him now. Yes. Thigh exposed. Yeah. You could take a nap on how far his bottom jaw. What do you guys think of the... What do you guys think of how the... Whose choice was it for Brosnan to kill her, but then weirdly loom over her?

Yeah, I think kill her and be gone. Like, if you're going to kill her, you're done with her. And the staging of that is troubling. Yeah. It's really weirdly shot. Yeah, like, bends over. I'm like, well, what do we do in her? And the way she falls on the bed, even is kind of peculiar.

Let's not forget that how James found her was he had had the card that was taken out of the warhead, gave it to M, M had it in her pocket. Then in an abandoned lighthouse that probably hadn't been occupied for many years, there was a clock that still had a working 9-volt battery. And then she made a bomb out of the light bulbs. Yeah, and she's able to use that battery to power the local. character. But when she follows him up and he kills Electra and there is that weird moment. Even Em's like, oh. Yeah. Yeah. This is awkward.

Yeah. I know we pay him to do these things, but I don't ever want to see it. Yeah. I just love that we get M doing all the cliched, like, how am I going to get out? Like, it's like a Western. Yeah. Like, I'm trying to get the keys. You have the dog with the keys. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't mention the world's not enough the family motto.

All right. Coming out of this. Is that the only Fleming link to this? That's one segment we sometimes do. Fleming versus Eon. Is there any other Fleming? That's about it. Yeah. Orbit something.

Some, or there. I mean that, yeah. That's, yeah, nonsense orbit, I think, or something like that. Yeah. I think that is all the Fleming to this. Yeah. No, no, sorry. The parahawks were big in the casino right out.

Let's not forget Christmas Jones, of course. Classic. A classic. A classic. Fleming Bond character. Electra King, that's a good, interesting name. It's not crazy sex name. Yeah.

Dr. Warm Flash. Oh, boy. Dr. Molly, Warm Flash. Yeah. Electra is a classic. Yeah. You know. Yeah, Greek.

Yeah. But the, well, let's sort of, let's, we're winding down on this film here. But there's like an hour left. Yeah. In the movie. There's an hour left. Let's talk about the death of, uh, of, of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, of, uh, of Zarkovsky. I liked it

Yeah and so he makes He could kill Electra But he knows Bond will still be stuck in the chair So he opts with his last shot to free Bond Make it look like he's With his cane gun Why is it mean like I feel like that's a lot for

Your 1999 Audience to figure out for some reason I don't know why is that No I think that's they figured it out It's just me being proud of my own mediocre intellect Yeah

No I think I think that was I think that was really great. But that's another shift in tone for me. Like, I think that's too, it's got a good amount of character ambiguity

and when they're spelling so much other shit out for you and don't even know what their own plot means half the time. Like, it doesn't fit with stuff. Sometimes that's life. That cold friend stuff though, too, when he's running with the machine gun,

it's the goofiest most awkward handling of a machine gun. When he's getting out of the boat? Yeah, because he's made himself vulnerable for a good five seconds while he's just trying to look where he's stepping. And then he just raises up and shoots a bunch of people. It's like those Stormtrooper outtakes they just released.

It's kind of like goofily. But yeah, I think he dies valiantly. I was sad to see him go, hoping he would return again. But, you know, now that's really out of the question anyway. So I'm glad he's got closure on his character. And he's functioning essentially as the Felix lighter of this movie. Yeah, yeah. And then shit goes down.

He kills Elektra, just shoots her right in the neck. with a, I think it's a burrida. He should have shot him for other earlobe. Yeah. Oh. Just to match him. The deformed ear. Yeah. Yeah.

And then he puts the gun in his belt, takes off the jacket of that gorgeous linen suit from Brioni. And dives into a wet dock. That's harboring a gorgeous bryoni submarine. Hey! I'll mention again, that was all a model that submarine in there. It looks great. It looks really good. First Corbald, he's also like a model.

modern day hero, these Bond films. He does amazing work. And he's doing, he did, like, he's doing all the Nolan films, too. And he's doing the new Star Wars, I think, for the visual. Oh, he's doing the model work for that? That's great. But he does more than that. I mean, he did the whole, like, Venice House on a gimbal at the actor.

Right, right, right. Some of those were miniatures, but the full set and everything. He's great. Yeah, it's such a beautiful work. And the, yeah, so he goes, he dives down and enters through the porthole just before it's about the close. Then there's a whole thing. of him going out of a porthole,

holding his breath for about four minutes while he comes in the other... Do you think he can't get worse than his hurt acting? It's his out of breath acting. Well, if you want to see breath acting, you just take a look at Star Trek 4. That is about four and a half minutes

that Shatner's underwater for. I love the bond scenes where it's contingent on his lung capacity. You know, he's got to hold his breath. That's a recurring thing. Would have been kind of awesome. Wouldn't it have been kind of awesome if he had pulled out the Thunderball

rebreather, I believe he hasn't. Dine other day. Yeah, yeah. He hasn't a dying other day. I don't know why he wasn't prepared with that. And put it in a ski jacket. He might need them both.

Because it wasn't the anniversary films. That's so weird, unexplained, but take it as given process of turning plutonium into these gold plutonium rods. And they have to go in in a certain speed in order. And you can hydraulically relaunch them if you find the right one on the Simon keypad. I just...

Do do, do, do. I couldn't care less, you know. I just find myself wondering, you know, how there's no radioactive material getting out. Like, yeah. I mean, obviously, you know, they must have thought this through and I just don't, you know. I needed Christmas Jones to explain. They make a comment. They say it a lot of it.

It's safe. Yeah. Well, that's it, though. I'm like, why is it safe? What I said while I was watching that was, and three years later, all those actors developed hand cancer. This was the Bond's version of the Bond films version of the, the what was the John Wayne

Genghis Khan Yeah yeah yeah Where he The family thinks he got cancer from that Yeah well like almost everyone Who worked in that film What happened? What was on set that was?

They were shooting close to Nevada test site Yeah No kidding Oh wow Yeah wow For this I think the whole thing

Set in the submarine Like it's just It's not exciting Really I mean like It's all right I mean I like the idea That they The submarine totally

Just goes nose down and then they're having to climb through the submarine as opposed to, I mean, at least they... Didn't the last one end on a boat too? Yeah, take it on a boat, not a submarine. Different thing. Carlisle stuff does great when the whole realization, you know, when Electra's dead and all that.

Oh, yeah. That's really good. He's too good. That's a great line. Also, he's too good for this film. Also, there's a little acknowledgement, I think, from both actors, or rather from both characters to each other

of like, yeah, we both got fucked over by this girl. and I feel like he's looking up at Brosnan going thank you for killing me like thank you for finally killing me yeah he's just too much nuance for this film because it just seems out of place

I think I thought that was pretty interesting he should be in a Craig film I wish he would have been that would have been yeah too bad but then you know shit goes down they make sure to say it's underwater so the reactor's gonna be safe

now let's launch ourselves out of torpedo tube breathe the whole way up and then they they didn't get the bend Yeah, they didn't get the bends because she was excelling the whole way up. And then the movie essentially ends. Yeah, it's so fast of an ending.

They almost all are. And the super crisp and cleaned up, though, having that rooftop moment. And then the worst line in the history of James Bond. Who's going to say it? Who even wants it to come out of their mouth? We all know it. We don't even need to say it, right?

We all know it. The name's Bond, James Bond. That to me is... It's two things. They're like, whatever lapse in judgment that allowed them to hire Denise Richards allowed them to use that line. Or they hired Denise Richards, saw what they got and went, what the fuck, let's just make it. Let's just go all the way. I wonder if it was, if they had that line in their back pocket and we're like, we have to name a character Christmas.

Yeah, you may be right. We can finally use this line. So much. I bet you're right, because that's how they do all the gadgets. They reverse engineer. Yeah. You're right. Because I know, I seriously, you know, like I wouldn't doubt it.

I guess it is, it's one of the worst exit lines. I vividly remember the audience groaning Yeah, me too. When I saw this in the theater. I was one of them. Opening day in a suit. But I mean, I expected it. Like, when I heard that they,

when I heard that her name was Christmas Jones, there was just a part of me that was like, why would, oh, God, no. I think she was supposed to be a Polynesian character too initially. Like, I don't know what the point of that was. She was like, it can be an insurance adjuster or something. Yeah, yeah. I was 16 and I was like, girls don't come.

Yeah. Like, yeah, she was not always going to be this, this. at least that makes the technical acumen when the screening when I saw this at MGM I'd given my buddy he was a big Bond fan a ticket to and he was so incensed he left like immediately after that line and like I tried contacting

him for a couple hours afterwards he was so mad at the movie wow well yeah that there you have it guys that that's the world is not enough and it was these Brosnans man these Brosons we're gonna work we're gonna figure it out we're gonna figure it out we're gonna figure it like

how man is it just at the time was there no like God, it's such a weird thing with the Brazance now. I've said that before as well, but they also are coming at a time when all these other movies are doing Bon better than Bonn, like die hard and stuff like that. And they just are not. They're parodies. They're totally self-parodies. Roger Moore was the first era to make it a fun, campy thing.

And now they're just. Yeah. But it's interesting in the time because, you know, Vue to a Kill had been such a, like, oh, God, this franchise is really going on the toilet. And Golden Eye kind of restored it. And so we, and there was always that sense that we wanted Brosnan to be Bond, that he should have been Bond earlier. Yeah. And, you know, that, you know, and so you get through the Dalton's,

and you finally get the bond that you wanted. And it feels like it's a little too late. Now, you guys probably know the answer to this. The, was the 1989 to 95, was that lapse, lawsuit laps? Was that like they were still dealing with McClory? It was after license to kill. Yeah. Yeah.

So they had to, they stopped down for, five years essentially because of that lawsuit. It's interesting. I wonder where we would be right now. Yeah, because Brazen, they were planning the third Dalton, right? Yeah. Right, yeah. We were talking about how Dalton showed up on that Eon documentary. Yeah.

Yeah. But this is the first time he kind of stocked because he wouldn't do any of the, he wouldn't do any special editions for us. He was still so angry about the fallout. His scenes in that documentary are intense. I love it. But he's like, so passionate about it. I got to watch those again.

They're really great. Because he else, he's got kind of longer hair, and he doesn't quite look like himself. He just looks like this guy they found in a Scottish highland. He's a Welsh. He's very... In a Welsh under a bridge. And they just... Can you talk about...

You're damn right, I can. We were doing it. We were doing it. We were living it. It's just insane. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was the world of now.

Guys, we did it. Derek, Jeremy, thank you for joining us and giving us your insight. It provided much-needed critical and bond expert insight that we've... So inside. For better. For baseball. It's been lacking. Yeah.

No, listen. The kids love it. Yeah. They're loving it. Do you guys have... Would you guys like to plug anything? Twitter handles, things of that nature? I'm at the Derek Miller.

I am at Mr. Beeks, altogether. M-R-B-E-A-K-S. and you can also read my work at Ain't It Cool News under the Numb to Bloom, Mr. Beaks. Nicely done. Matt, anything for you? Keep watching at midnight. At midnight on Comedy Central. Follow me on Twitter, Matt Myra.

Also, we might miss a week. I was just looking at my scheduling, and it might be a couple weeks before the next episode. But we're going to try our best not to make that happen. but I just wanted to pre-pre-pre-you in case it does happening. Don't worry, we're going to be back. I just happened to mistakenly book a trip when I probably shouldn't have booked a trip. We're going to pull in 1989 through 1995.

Because we're probably going to have to miss a week. I'm out of town at a New Year's anyway. I mean, unless we can record ahead. But we'll do it we can. But is our next guest confirmed? That's sort of the situation. If our scheduling happens the way it's supposed to happen, and Paul Shear will be our next guest for Honor Majesty's Secret Service.

All right, everybody. James Bond will return. Sorry, you guys. Sorry, you guys. Bye, thanks for listening. Bye. Now leaving nerdist.com. Hey, this is Arnie Neacamp from the Improft Fantasy podcast.

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