James Bonding - Thunderball with Maria Blasucci and Amanda Lund

Episode Date: February 7, 2024

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Matt and Matt and James Bonding podcast And he strikes Like Thunderball Welcome to James Bonning My name's Matt Goreley My name's Matt My name's Matt Myra

We are really kicking off Thunderball With the great couple of guests Fan favorites Yeah I think maybe Fan all-time favorites possibly Well I mean No, I agree.

Maurice is slowly catching up with you guys, but, you know, he does a great or some well-bush. I don't mean to rank them, but we will do a special guest ranking episode. My wife is the lowest. No, not. Today, we have a double episode crossover event. Last week, you may have noticed that we did a special crossover event with Amanda Lund, Gourley and Maria Blasucci Gourley with their podcast, the big ones, where they discussed the big

moral dilemmas of human history. And we did a crossover with Vesper Lin's moral dilemma. And today they're here to join us to talk about Thunderball. Hello and welcome back to the show. Hey, guys. Thanks for having us. We're so happy to be here. Again.

So you've done Casino Royale, Licensed to Kill, Goldfinger, and now Thunderball. Yes. and we have a lot to say, and we're not holding back. We should probably try to get them on for every movie by the time we're done with this podcast. I know. It's only right. Who knows when we're done with this podcast? This is Matt's ploy just to get me to watch these movies with him. It is because I have to say that puts us right into Thunderball,

because as you know, if you're a regular listener to this program, Matt and I have a troubled past with Thunderball. It can be a little overlong. And I'm telling you, the way to watch a Bond movie, bad or good. Drunk. Drunk on a Friday night with your spouse or loved one or a close friend or whatever. Just that's the way these movies are meant to be watched.

You sit back on the couch. It's not on your computer. I mean, it was a good time. And I also hadn't seen this movie since last we watched it. He's describing all the ways in which I did not watch this movie. I know, but I'm saying like... I watched it on a computer by myself at like 4 p.m. You got to do yourself the favor of like...

Really what it is is self-romance. You got to give yourself to... the time, put your phone away, and just sink into your life with a little bond mixed in. And man, it makes even a movie like Thunderball so enjoyable. Well, I will say that when I saw the timeline and it said two hours and ten minutes, I said that can't be right. This movie must be three hours long. It feels, I don't know. Anyway, that's just my experience. Yeah. And in all honesty, we did fall asleep during it last night and then had to finish watching it this morning. That's right. That's right. Wow. The truth comes.

comes out. So you didn't watch it all last night. You watched it on a couch, half asleep. Well, I saw you guys have the couch constructed in full sleep while watching a movie mode. Well, yeah. We brought the foot rest over. We plugged the bench ottoman into the L-shaped couch, which just makes it this giant plateau of coziness. It's nice. But then, again, I will say, even though we finished it this morning, that was just as enjoyable. Yes, sure. And Maria, how did you watch the film? Well, I watched it around 6 o'clock in the evening. evening on the couch. My boyfriend was there, but he was kind of in and out of the room, doing something in the

kitchen. The first thing that happened was me going, what? You've got to come see this. And he came in for the jet pack scene, and I had to rewind it for him. I couldn't believe what I was saying. Amanda was quite blown away by that, too. I said, this can't be real. It can't be real.

I made him come in and see it with his own eyes. So what was so astounding by that? Because as a kid, I don't remember being particularly blown away. He was like, what? Those were, those were, that's an actual thing. Well, first of all. And it's a James Bond movie. And I was like, okay, well, I wasn't expecting.

That was the last thing I thought was going to. I thought jet packs were like unicorns. Yeah. Endangered species. Yeah, they're not practically ever really used. Yeah. They did invent them. And I think that's about all you can do is go up and come back down.

Well, I think that's cool. They should make that more of a thing. Well, whenever you need to leap over a cathedral's, with a stag on the roof. What was that? His danglers, his little leg danglers. Yeah. He went up and it's just a little legs danglingle.

I know. Well, you know, anytime Bond puts on a helmet, something good's going to happen. Because he knows, like, even though I'm Bond, I should wear a helmet for this. There was some story. I know we probably talked about it before, where either the stuntman had to wear a helmet

or he didn't look enough like the stuntman. But originally they didn't want Bond wearing a helmet when he did this. Right. But the stunt guy was like, like I'm not I can't do this without a helmet because I believe those jet packs were really unpredictable and dangerous I believe it yeah which is which is why we're not currently we don't have apps where we can just uber over a jet pack like that would be cool I bet if you had some like leg um leg armor so that if you did fall you wouldn't break your legs that I think people would

be able to but what about the rest of your body well your legs but if your leg armor like if you had a big box around your body like a big I think I'd worry about um um falling jetpack first into the ground and causing an explosion with jet fuel. But I see what you're saying if you had like leg armor with shock absorbers. Yeah, it's like moon shoes. Like Nickelodeon moon shoes.

I thought you meant leg armor in case you're dangling legs knock into something while you're in air. Why is Elon Musk not gotten onto like personal jet packs? It seems like something he could pull off. I don't know. He did the flamethrower. Yeah, that's right. I almost ordered one.

Oh, my God. What's a flamethrower? He's selling flame throwers. He's selling like flamethrowers. Out of his garage or what? Almost essentially like he just decided

to make one like I don't know and then he saw how many like 2,000 of them? Oh it's a limited edition? I do you know. He's every nerds dream. How much are they?

They were like 700 bucks and I almost did it and then I was like I mean not that that's much expensive but I would think this would be the most impractical purchase I've made. Well what do you where do you use it?

I would literally only be able to use it to like light the fire pit which I guess would be funny if people were around and I was like hang on I'm going to light the fire pit and I'd get my flame thrower. I think it's worth it. All right.

That's too late now. All right. They're all sold out. Are they? God. Well, just from the first opening shot of this movie with the little dots coming across that opens every Bond movie, the music, the music still really does it for me, you know? Like just hearing that bannum, bum, that never gets old. Is this finally Connery doing the gun?

Yeah, I think this is his first time. Because before this, when you see Bond shoot at the... the camera. Uh-huh. It's been the stuntman, this little short guy in a hat that's supposed to be bond. I do, how many glofts do you have for this? I only have one. I have like four gloves.

What's a glove again? It's a gorely's lookout for this. Yeah, just a special moment. That's right. I remember that. Yeah, and you can have Mlofts or A-loft, which is an actual word. Wow. A loft.

A loft. Oh, I have my set of notes. I took notes. I did as well. Okay, can I just say something that was in my head? the whole time. Yes, please. I just kept thinking, and I don't know what it is, but what's Dragon Ball Z?

It's a Japanese anime cartoon? Okay, because every time I thought Thunderball, at first my mind would say Dragon Ball. Wow. And I just wanted to get that out there. I want you guys to be aware. I would watch... I would watch... Thunderball Z.

Thunderball Z. Yeah, now, do you guys predict that we need to put any kind of warning ahead if we're going to talk about power kissing or anything? No. Remember last time in Goldfinger, there was some drama. Right. Sure. I will trigger warning.

Power kissing is going to be mentioned. Air on the side of a trigger warning. Well, let's just say, like, if you're a triggered person, why are you listening to his podcast? Uh-oh. I mean, it's about Bond. Should we put a warning in for that right now? I'm going to trigger warning Maria talking about trigger warnings. But it's about James Bond, why I listen to a James Bond podcast if you can't hear that he power kisses.

Yeah. I will say this crosses a line from power kiss to a molestation. Well, I have something to say about that health club scene. Okay, so we will get to that. Just be pre-warned that if you are sensitive to these kind of things, this will be discussed. Yeah. With sincerity, but also, you know, we will... I don't know.

If you're still listening to this and you've been triggered, you deserve it. You've been triggered. You've been triggered. I don't know. There's plenty. Why not? are back with a passion. I know.

You can go listen to the car talk. Don't listen to the big ones if you're sensitive. Yeah, go listen to car talk if you don't want to listen, talk about power. What if you're triggered by car talk? Yeah, well, then that's another thing. Then you got to go to talk to someone. Yeah. In the car.

But this, this opening scene here at the funeral, do you think we're supposed to, do you think we're supposed to think that J.B. is for James Bond? Yeah, it's just a quick little like, ooh, what is this? You know. And what does it stand for? What's his name? His French name, I forget. It's, yeah.

Colonel Javert. He's just a specter agent that died, right? Okay. And then... But he's not really dead. Isn't he number six? Yeah, not bad. That punch of the veiled woman was so funny.

Yeah, so was that, was there a man playing the veiled woman the entire time? No. So they're really trying to fool you. And it isn't until his veil gets ripped off that it's actually played. by a man. That makes sense. That's a pretty brutal fight. Oh my God.

Everything in that room gets decimated. Like that tapestry he pulls down and covers the guy with, which is an intelligence test for dogs to see how quickly they can get their head out of them. You know, when you cover it, you're supposed to cover a dog with a towel. And then if the dog gets out of the towel quickly, it's supposed to be a sign of a greater intelligence on a double way. And you're supposed to do this? It's something you can do.

How does that work for humans? My dog just like hunkers down and just like relaxes. I don't know if that's intelligence. That may be a sign of higher intelligence of like I recognize coziness when I've got it. I would stay under. Doug is a pure cozy animal. But this, yeah, the fire poker, man,

it's just like a brutal fight. Right, right. That would hurt. And this has got, this movie is maybe the Bond movie with the most speed. Tapestries. There are quite a bit of tapestries.

But also like the under cranked camera, which speeds everything up. Oh, yes. Quite a bit of that. It's like they were making up for all the slowed down underwater stuff by speeding the rest up. They were like, oh, if we run this at regular time, the movie's going to be nine and a half hours. Why didn't they just speed up the underwater stuff? I know.

I think, I don't know. But this is maybe next to Honor Majesty's Secret Service in Quantum of Salas, I didn't realize how frenetic the editing was in this film. And it's like Peter Hunt really coming into what he would later do. But it doesn't feel like you only live twice as this way. And I wonder if this is like Terrence Young, the director, working with Peter Hunt, as opposed to Lewis Gilbert, who's like, no, just ease it out a little bit more. Because it's really choppy and strangely edited. Yeah, you're right. This is the most adjusted for inflation.

This is the most successful James Bond film. Wow. Highest box off. Skyfall never overtook this? No. Wow. This was like adjusted for inflation, it's made like one and a half billion dollars. Jeez.

It was big, guys. It was big. And there's a jet pack in it. Yeah. So do you guys want to give your general thoughts on the movie? Was it a success for you or was it an oddity or was it not good? I thought, and I know this is going to be strange, but I thought it was really good. Oh, I love it.

Great. Well, I liked it better than Goldfinger, to be honest. And I understand that the fight scene at the end went on maybe like 30 minutes too long. Or it just, it did drag toward the end. But I had more fun with the story. in this one I felt and there was just kind of like I don't know

it seemed a little more fun to me so yeah I enjoyed it you're a thunderhead yeah yeah I think that's fair to say Amanda what did you think

I also liked it I love the setting the tropical setting I love seeing people in the 60s in their bathing suits because I can't swimming pool is where it's at and I can't wrap my head around

people's figures again I know I've mentioned this in the podcast before, where our body's different back then or where that was just the ideal body types of those are the people getting cast? I don't need an answer. I just want to put that out there. But I liked the movie. I had some trouble actually following the storyline.

I don't know if it's because I had some scotch. I will say this is the clearest storyline viewing of this movie I've ever had. Yeah, I think it's clear. But we also, we did have a couple of drinks and we did watch it in two parts. So maybe that's part of it. Yeah, and I liked some of the female characters, but they did all look exactly the same to me. Did they put a mole on that woman? Yes, they did look at the same.

Did they put a mole on that woman so that you could tell the difference between his friend. On Claudina. On Domino? Because I thought she was the one that got killed like a scene earlier. I know. Yeah, totally. They were exactly the same. And the redhead looked like them as well.

But she is red hair. Which one was the red head? The bad, the naughty one with the other one with the other one. They all have red hair. Both of their hair many times is wet. And when their hair's wet, they look like the same person.

And Domino's hair had red undertone. Yeah, it made me angry how much they looked alike. Like, just get a blonde. I do have a thing where I don't remember what Claudine Auget looks like when I'm not watching the movie, but Fiona Volpe,

now, va, va, voam. I always remember her. You can see a difference between the two? Well, I just find Fiona Volpe, her performance, her character, everything to be, she's one of my favorite Bond girls, just the way she kind of come out.

lands those men around and she, yeah, she's just a, ah, I just love her. Does he meet her first when she picks him up after he goes? Yeah, he does meet her before Domino. Wait, before Domino? Wait, no, he doesn't. The guy, when he comes out of the water and then he hitchhikes and he gets into it. That's, yeah.

No, no, no, no, no, it's not. It's not, no, no, it's not. She's wearing the Spectre ring. That's Fiona Volpe. Wait, we're talking about two different things. In the Mustang. When he comes out of the water. She's talking about in the water.

When his boat breaks down and he hitchicks. That's Domino. That's what I thought you made. So he meets Domino first and then the Specter. Oh, that happens before the Mustang. Is this the movie where Bond needs the most rides? It may be. Yeah, it really is.

He's forever hitching a ride. Yeah. I did like when he jumped off that boat or when he went to her boat, Domino's boat, and he went, you can catch a service boat back. And then the other agent just goes, yeah, why not? lifts her hands. Paulina? Yeah, I think so.

I do want to say before, now that we're in the NASA stuff, I just want to say the stuff at the clinic or the sanitary, what are we calling this? What is it? It's a health club. A respite.

Wellness center. We'll call it a wellness center. Yeah. It's the golden door. Yes. Of James Bond. Yeah. And I kind of wish that the entire movie

took place there, and it was just Bond and that other guy, just not playing. Killing each other, but just like... Turning up knob. Nothing they're doing really is going to kill each other. Yeah, that's right. I also, I still don't understand, like, watching...

We must have said this in the last viewing of this movie, but when James Bond is in the traction device, it really... Why not let go? No, his hands are strapped. No, his hands are strapped, but there's so much slack on those straps. Oh, yeah.

Like, it's just like, let go, you're fine. Right. And then the other guy, too, like, it's turning. up the heat in a sauna in a tiny personal sauna is going to do nothing but make him uncomfortable. It'd probably make his skin really burning. He might lose a little

weight. I don't think he's going to die. His insides wouldn't burn away? No, his insides are going to be fine, which is why I think the whole movie should them be constantly trying to hurt each other, but not kill each other. Yeah. I would watch that. I did not like seeing Bond tied to that contraption. It was so

undignified and untracked just to see him being, such a large man being wiggled a In fast motion too. Yeah, I thought it was just so, I didn't, it wasn't a turn on for me. Well, my big thing was why did any of those knobs go up so high? That's true. Why did anything need to ever be turned up that?

If it's dangerous, why does it exist? It's a great question. Like, why would anyone need to be going that fast on a spine stretcher or be that hot in a little sauna thing? Yeah. Well, yeah, I think there's a lot to talk about with the spa, but there's a couple things before that I want to talk about. For instance, and this is one we discussed, I think at Lange's.

last time, but when Bonn comes down from the jet pack, gets back in his car and shoots the water cannons. That's great. I just, I never cease to marvel at the fact that one of the bad guys is nowhere in the line of the fire of the water. And when it happens, he still does a, like a move like he's being knocked back and then scoches over into the line of the fire of the water. And that to me, are you commending his background acting?

I'm just commending like, that's the take they took. There was nothing better. There's a couple mystery takes in here. I also don't like... I have no idea. Like, to have that much water in the Aston Martin, there should be, there would be nothing in that car but water.

And it's got to be slowing the car down. Yeah, and to like be spraying that high of pressure and then like, did they just make it water so that they could go to the opening credits and be like, this is Thunderball, it's all underwater? I think that may be, yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and I, yeah, it was just kind of like,

foreshadowing. Yeah. I think I may actually have... Like a boreshadowing. Wow. Another gloft. Hold on. Wait, you can't just come up

with gloss on the fly? Well, it's one that I wrote down, but I'm... Hold on. Keep talking. My boyfriend said he had that Ashton Martin Toy car where the thing lifted up

the bullet shield. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. The bullet shield was a good idea. It's a great idea. Yeah. Except you can't see through it.

This is a problem. Why did they have bulletproof glass like a bank? You know what I mean? Yeah. Bank tellers have very... thick plexie. If you're going to, if you're going to weigh the car down with 700 gallons of water anyway, might as well put bulletproof glass in there.

I got a gloft. All right. You go to the big specter meeting in the beginning and Blofeld is meeting with all his numbers, one through ten or whatever. Number five is Grady from the Shining, the caretaker, the past caretaker in the bathroom that killed his family, and he's the colonel from Temple of Doom. Man, do you know we talked about that in the last one? Did we?

Yeah. Oh, shit. It's crazy how much stuff from Thunderball was taken for Austin Power. That's what I noticed too. Yeah. Like, it's very a lot. The sharks, the cat. You should see you only live twice.

Yeah, exactly. And these are the two in order. 65 and 66, right? Or 67, maybe? I don't know. I feel like they were going in, they were going every year by that point. I think it was 65 and 66. Yeah, maybe.

that is like such the wheel everything from those two movies is in Austin Powers that's crazy like the bald Mnifeld from You Only Live Twice is Dr. Evil he's bald as a scar and a cat I have my first gloft of the movie Okay When Bond is going to

See the body get wheeled in of the pilot Yeah and he's like he puts on that long sleeve Polo shirt Look at the sleeve roll It's the highest sleeve roll in the history of cinema. Oh, I just thought that was a short sleeve? No, it is not. The sleeves are rolled past the bicep.

He pulls them up that far. You've never seen a sleeve roll that way. How uncomfortable. It would be specially made for sleeve rolling. Yeah. Or I guess their shirts had larger arms back then, too. Now, I have something to say. Did I mention my wife is from the 40s?

When after Bond, seduces being a really generous word, the health spa worker. And then we see him rubbing her down with what is referred to as a mink glove. Your question is, how do you get one of those? It did look like it felt good. It looked like it felt amazing. But was that a thing? It must have been.

I feel like that was a thing at the spot, one of the treatments. But why would that go away? Oh, I don't know. I don't know that, well, mink, first of all, would probably go away because, you know. You could get a fake mink. I don't want a synthetic mink rubbing my body all over. Hold on. I'm going to see if we can...

That's happening to me. That's not to be real. Did you notice, though, when he gets her into the shower? After, by the way, she's worried for her job and he says, well, I won't tell anyone if we have sex in the shower right now. I know he blackmails her. She has no underwear on. Wow. But like, it's crazy to me that, like, he takes off her dress and then she's totally named.

That's the clothes. What? Full skin, Rex, Chinchon. Love Massage Mitten One Piece. Amazon.com, $69.99. $70. Wait, it's real chinchilla? Full skin, mink, love, massage, mitten, one piece, 9990.

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For a review, two stars. for smaller hands, not as big and fluffy as I thought it should be for the money. What can I say? Wife loves it, five stars. Wait, and it's only for men to rub their wife's way. No, women can wub their wife's wife too. Oh, here's a double-sided mahogany mink love massage mitten, one piece, 195. But why is it a love massage mitten wine?

I think because you're supposed to, I don't know, caress it around your naked body? Four stars, this mitten gives a very luxurious and relaxing caress massage when used in the right direction. That is moving it from the heel of the palm first to the direction of travel. Otherwise, you will be rubbing someone the wrong way. I don't think I would like that. I like skin on skin with a massage. If there was ever another kind of glove that could be used in any direction, that would be even better.

Five stars, this is nice. Five stars, girlfriend loves it. CBS Fox version of the of Thunderball omits the scene immediately after Bond traps Lepe in the sauna where Bond is massaging Pat with the mink glove. Wow, but they probably keep in the scene

where he forcefully kisses her against her will. A scene where Bond receives a massage from fearing was shot but not using the film and replaced by the scene where Bond gives the massage. Oh, see, that's nice because they realized that was a little too far and then they had to show her being into it. I will say her performance was,

uh, uh, I did not know what her objective. Like, I think that she made, it was not easy to see what she wanted in that scene. Like she, because as soon as he almost dies,

first of all, she doesn't even like care that much. She's like, oh my God, you could have almost died. Please don't tell my boss. And his back doesn't even really hurt that much. And then,

and then she like turns on a dime to be like, oh, no, no, no. To like, yes, let's like get it on. Yeah, she's the monel. Lisa's smile of assault victims. Yeah. It really is like if she would have played it one way or the other, but it was very much like, well, wait, I don't get it. Well, I think they were trying to make her kind of like a stern Swedish masseuse, you know, that kind of, you know, someone who was like kind of angry and, you know, she didn't seem it. And then she was like, and then when they, they show them in bed together,

it's like, oh, she wanted it the whole time. It's interesting because I was telling Amanda that this film is remade as Never Say Never Again with Sean Connery in 1983 for a long story why it happened. But this scene in that one, he seduces this woman a little more delicately. Like she comes in and she's like, you need to stick to your diet. And he opens up this like picnic briefcase of caviar and vodka and all this stuff. And she's like, I can't resist. Yeah, that's nice. Yeah, that would get me caviar and vodka.

Yeah, I didn't like how he looped his big arms around. No, no, that was weird when they were looking. at the x-ray? It was just not sexy. And so quick. And also really aggressive. So I don't actually consider this power kissing. I know that this is controversial.

But I think that this goes beyond power kissing into true assault. Yeah. Although I do feel he was picking up on something because of the way. She was not giving him anything. No, because of the way she acts afterwards. The way she acts afterwards is like she wanted it the whole time. So what I'm saying is if she would have played it a little differently up front, No, you're victim blaming.

I'm not victim blaming. She wasn't a victim. She wasn't a victim. She loved it. No, no, no. She did not. Here we go. You got to cut this.

Why? I'm not saying she, I'm just saying at the end, the way she played it. I'm not saying like victims aren't assaulted. I don't think it's the way she played it. I think it's a way the men wrote it. Yeah. Okay, that's fine. But I'm just saying it's odd when it's like one scene.

She's like, no, no, no. And then the next scene, it's like, oh, thank God. But that's the problem with these movies. But that's like what's like sex, people, they're trying, they think that's sexy. Like that's... Well, that's also the problem with these movies is that you're right. It's written by men. And they, in their world, it's like, all you need to do is conquer a woman and she will love you.

Right. So that's like, okay. Well, then that's like, like, a sick male fantasy of like any woman wants it. And of course they're going to say no, but that's just like them being coy. And she's like, you're going to call, right? I know. Right. It's the same thing with Goldfinger.

Like, she is physically restraining him and he physically conquers her. And then it's supposed to be believed that all he has to do is do his magic kiss. And now when at least there was a little more sexual energy up top before he swooped in and got her. But I do think the woman in this one, the wellness clerk, she turned once she got caressed with that mint glove. And then she was, I think the actress was really into it. I'll tell you what's interesting. Any man or woman would turn on that. And this is the first time I was like watching it.

And then he does that. And I was just like, and then she's like, Mr. Bond behave yourself. And I was like, what's her home life like? What if she has a fiance? say? Or, right. Not good anymore.

Well, it's ruined. Now that she wants to talk to Bond all the time. I know. Well, now she wants that mink rub down every night.

She can't sleep with that. Her husband can't afford that mink. By the way, the James Bond lifestyle website that tells you all the clothes and gadgets and whatnots,

they have a link to that exact mink glove. If you'd like to purchase it, you can go to minkglove. That's... How much is it? I don't know. I didn't do the click through.

Wait, it's that exact glove. Amanda won't want it. She says she doesn't want a vintage Not the prop, but like the same company. Oh, gross. Ew. Look at the sight.

There's a black and white blonde woman that actually looks like the skater from For Your Eyes Only with red mink gloves covering her naked breasts. I didn't even know this world existed. I didn't either until now. Because I didn't really process it. $200 to $300 for the chinchilla massage glove or the mink. I have like a glove that has like this microfiber on it, but it's just for car washing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's similar.

Yeah. I wonder how that would feel. Yeah, use it on your wife tonight. Come in there and go honey. Dory. There's something also about the like site itself, the website construction that just feels real dirty. Use the promo code bond. Yeah.

It would be like me rubbing Margo all over my body. Yeah, well, that's, you basically do. I do do that. I put my face in her belly all the time. It does feel really good. I wish, I like it when the Bond girl, like Money Penny, I think is a great example of when Bond can be, when Bond is fun. Because when you get someone like that Swedish masseuse who's just kind of like kind of playing it,

like, oh no, no, it is hard to watch. When you get someone like Money Penny, when he can say like anything to and she goes right back at him with something, then it's like, yeah, let's have some fun with this. Like say all the sexist things you want because she's going to. hit you right back with it. And I think that's the best kind of interaction that Bond can have. I like when he has those girls. When you kind of meet his match.

Here's my question. And is this ever explained? The biggest mystery in this movie for me is where did Bond's hat go? Which hat? He comes in, right? He puts the hat on the, he's going to throw the hat to the hat rack with the hat racks on this side, right? And he puts it there.

He goes in and then he comes out and he has a line of dialogue where he's, He says, I had a hat. And then he walks out. Wow. I did not notice that. I don't know. You think that was a B story that got cut? A full subplot.

But it's such a weird thing to put a line in about I had a hat. You know, it's when M says, don't, please don't call me an old man or whatever, the old man. And I like that scene because M, I think M is like having fun back at Moneypenny. but Bond is like trying to change the subject going like I had a hat and he did have a hat we saw it clearly and then it's gone well maybe Odd Job took it and then used it to cut off someone's head with it I was wondering yeah he's electrified and dead alive the transition from either that scene to the next or the one after uses a wipe

which I find is really rare in Bond movies yes an editing transition wipe it was weird to see. This, by the way, I really like the plot of Thunderball because it is so simple. It is, we're going to steal these two nuclear missiles. We are then going to hold England in the United States hostage for $100 million in diamonds. It's straight up faithful to the book, too. I think that's why it's simple. Yeah, like it's really appealing to me, the fact that I'm very clear on this plot. Now, where's hat when? I don't know. But, I also enjoy the fact that Bond is the last person to arrive and the fact that he's in the seventh seat.

So it's like 001, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. And he's chided for being late too. He's held everybody up. And I love how they're saying, like, don't open until you're told to. So, like, all these adult spies are like... Yeah. I also loved whoever put those together. Like, I thought that would have been the most fun job of, like,

we need these packets to give to all the agents. And then every... And then you had to photocopy all. like the pictures. And that person has to be... Money penny and two assistants. Yeah. That person has to be top level cleared because they're seeing everything.

That must be nice. I would have put it like a little candy in there. A little note. Or some glitter. Yeah. I would have made it nice. I ordered a cable, a guitar cable from Sweetwater Music. Yeah.

And they sent you, they sent me like a little baggy of candy. Aw. With it and I was like, this is a nice thought. Like just because that's what sweetwater does? I don't know. I don't know. I think that's just what, no, no, no. I think they do it for everybody for everything you order off of it.

Sweetwater taffy. Sweetwater taffy. Let's get to my gloft. I love it. Let's hear. In the spa, over Bond's shoulder at one point when he's dressing, there's a man in the background dressing and he's basically wearing Goldfinger's slum leisure suit from the pool that you now have. Completely agree with you.

I was like, is that Goldfinger? Yeah. But he got sucked out of a plane, so he probably didn't survive. Have you tried on your Goldfinger play suit? No. We got to get bustles up. We got to do that. We got to do a live show again.

Yeah. But, so I saw that, right? And then the other, the other gloft that I have, there's so many glofts in this movie. There's a lot more watch. I paid somehow more attention because I knew I had the ability to fast forward through the underwater scenes. Oh, yeah. Because I knew nothing was happening. Do you feel dirty when you do that?

No. Not when I'm just trying to get. Maybe it's the completest in me. I'm like, I can't do it. But you have to like watch the whole thing to get to get the whole thing. I can't abide by it. I really like I've put in enough time with these people who listen to this podcast. Like I've put in enough time watching these movies and talking about these movies that I think I've earned the right to scrub through establishing shots of countries I'll never go to.

And underwater scenes. Now I don't mean to contradict you, but this is the way I look at it. Those people have put in so much time listening to our bullshit that I feel like I owe it to them. Yeah. Do you know what I'm going to do? Someday. Someone make a super cut of all the non-vote, non-dialogue parts of James Bond movies, and I will watch the entire thing.

Oh, no. Careful what you wish for. The, he almost gets to go to Canada. He's going to be sent to Canada. That's right. Oh, yeah. Almost. And then he decides, no, no, no.

Bond has never been to Canada. Oh. Well, we don't know that he's never been, but never in the films. Same other. Well, he did. It's like, what could really be sexy there? I know, that's a good question. I think they could find something.

Maple syrup. Mm-hmm. That whole. Oh, they could do a whole James Bond movie about the maple syrup heist. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. That sounds as good as gold.

Lace, he comes into M's office. What do you know about maple syrup, James? Welcome from the... And then they pan over and there's just a Canadian Mountie. Who's the maple syrup expert? Yeah. Oh, God. Oh, my God.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Maple syrup is the sexy bond. Girl. Right. Fleming is a public domain in Canada. Oh my God. I'm reading that book.

Thank you, Phil Nobiel, who sent it to me. And it's really interesting. This is a book because Bond is now public domain. The copyright expired in Canada. Anyone can do anything with Bond in Canada. So they did a compilation. And it's really interesting. There's one story where Bond goes to hell.

It's like when Jason Voorhees goes to hell. That's awesome. Yeah. Can we go to Canada and make a CBC James Bond television? show. I would love it. Can you make something up there? Well, you can only sell it in Canada. Yeah, it wouldn't be able to be distributed anywhere.

It has to be contraband. Filled with Canadian actors, though, so we couldn't be in it. Yeah, that's true. Sorry, guys. It's Canadian broadcasting. Well, what if we made it here but sold it in Canada? I don't know. I don't know if they'd be able to understand it with our accents.

That's true. That's true. And our lack of apologies. Okay, he goes to NASA. He plays Baccarat. I'm still not clear on the premise of Bachar. Well, hold on. Have we gotten to the point with the face man yet?

The man with the no face? Let's talk about the... Yeah, that's... When she... When he opened the door and saw himself, my jaw dropped. Really? I couldn't believe what I was...

Craig walked in the room at that point. My jaw was on the floor and he went, what's going on? And I said, I can't believe it. He just opened to the door and the exact same person was standing on the other side. See, all I see is... the weird projection.

I'd never seen anything like it. Wow. So this movie still gave you some gooses, huh? Yeah. That's nice to hear. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't expecting that. I thought for a second I was hoping twins and then.

Oh, and then the girl, so the girl who was with the guy is the bad girl. Yes. Okay, because I thought that was Domino until the end. Oh, no. Domino is the original guy's sister. Right, but I thought it was the same girl because they look exactly. But that's because Volpe had plastic surgery to look like that. No, not Volpe.

No, Marty. That's the most plausible explanation. I wonder what that guy looked like beforehand. I don't know, but he's spent two years. Two years. Two years, by the way. And then he fucks it up immediately by wearing his hat too far back. And asking for too much money.

Yeah. And then not unbuckling a seatbelt before he gets submerged into water. But then I was like two years for $250,000. I was two years of your life. and you have to have a different face. 1965, but maybe he was uglier. It could have been a better face, yeah. But with plastic surgery back then, I'm very curious what all was possible.

I'm pretty sure they're doing plastic surgery like the same way these gadgets are almost kind of like a fantasy thing. Like, well, even today you couldn't pull off. Well, I don't know that woman that wants to look like a cat looks pretty close. Ew. There's that, isn't that tourist with Johnny Depp? Isn't that the twist of that movie? Spoiler alert. Oh.

Spoiler alert. I don't know. Trigger warning and spoiler alert for this episode. Trigger warning, spoiler alert. I think Johnny Depp's character at the end has gotten plastic surgery to look like Johnny Depp. This is also not the last time they'll do this in a Bond movie. Blowfell goes through heavy plastic surgery in a film to look different. Or I guess he has decoys made of himself.

I've watched, I watched as a kid Never Say Never Again and Thunderball so many times. and I never realized they were the same movie. I think I probably only realized it when I read it. Oh, that's interesting. College or as an adult in 95-high-five era or whatever. 1990-high-5. Even though it was 2005, but still. I have to say that the casino scene in this movie is maybe my favorite bond casino scene.

Wow. Ouch. More than Dr. No or Casino Royale. Yeah. Well, certainly more than Casino Roy. Are you kidding? I love it. Cicina Rale is not a casino scene.

It's just a series. It's the name of the movie. It's a series of sit-down poker scenes. It's a casino movie. The movie is shot in such a way. It should practically have a whole camera where we can see everybody's cards as they're making their bets. I should have commentators commenting on the... You know, that's the highest stakes of...

Highest stakes of any casino scene in any bar movie. Trigger warning. Not money. You know how many rupees? No, the stakes are way higher. There's love. There's national security involved. There's not love at the beginning, though. Stakes aren't immediately about love.

Stakes don't become about love until day three of the poker tournament. Still, it's still going. Of the sit down, two-day buy-in, nine people poker tournament. The click-clack of the large, the large... The big chifts? Yeah, I would love to. Yeah, that's good. I love it.

You know what I'm going to, I'm going to... I'll be in Vegas tomorrow. Oh, congratulations. Thank you. I think I will sit down for some backer. You should. I think I will go in the morning, Monday morning, and be taught Baccarat by one of the dealers. You got to. And show us something online.

Put it on a social media. You can't use a phone at the tables. They will throw you out. Wow. So you go and you gamble. I will be gambling tomorrow. Wow. That's nice.

I love to gamble. I'm too nervous to sit down at the tables. Oh, it can get real fun. I want to do it. I want to go to Vegas and I want to learn and sit down at the tables. tables or you sit down at the tables and I stand behind you. No, no, no, we've done that. This sounds great.

I'm into it. That would be fun. And we can James Bond from Vegas. You're, oh my God, we should just stay at the Hilton. You can't bring a camera or phone there, but can you bring a microphone to the table? I doubt it. You can't if they can't see it. Oh, that's fun.

Oh, but that would be interesting. Well, you can have your phone with you. So what if it's in your like chest pocket and the voice memo is just recorded? Oh, yeah. We're all recording on our own things and we merge them together. Yeah. We could do that. So what do you love so much about this casino scene?

Yeah. I like how hot of a run Bond is on, how he cannot lose, how he's pulling one more than. Yeah, he's not bleeding chips. Blowfeld. As I can, as I understand it to be, a higher score is better in this game. Closer to nine without going over. That's when he gets a nine. Why do I think it's 19?

It might be as well. I don't know. Anyway, Maurice has tried many times to explain this to me. But it's just so classic bond because he's sitting across from a guy in a white tuxedo with an eye patch. Yeah. Right? A girl he's trying to bed is behind him. Like is behind the eye patch guy.

And that's Domino. Yep. And that's her handler or whatever she said. So that's her guardian. But really, she's his mistress. But she's pretending to be his niece. Right. But why mistress if he's not married?

I think because he's so much older. But also it's like, who cares back then? He's got to have 20 some years on her. It's hard to tell with all the sun people we're going back then. Well, I can give you the actors. Women in the 60s were two ages. Yes. They were Mary Tyler Moore on the Dick Van Dyke Show, who by the way, when she's playing

that role, is 22 years old. Oh my God. I know. It's crazy. Or they are. like, God, what's her name? I'm drawing a blank in the Poseidon Adventure.

Shelly Winters? Shelly Winters. It's like they're either Mary Tyler Moore's age or Shelley Winters's age. Yes, that's so true. I feel like everyone looks 40. You're either a young 40 or an old 40. She's 19 years younger than him in real life. But I'm confused.

Okay, so her brother, who was a good guy. Yeah, who was a NATO pilot. He, where did she get this guardian? from. It's like a sugar daddy situation. But I thought the brother had hired him to, or no, that wasn't, I was under the impression that the brother had hired him to be her guardian, but that's wrong. That is.

Oh, maybe that's what, maybe that's what he told her. Yeah. Yeah, but he's using her to get to her brother or they just were like, your brother all work for this thing we're doing? I'm not sure. It's very confusing. Yeah, like what's the connection? How does the brother come into play?

Is that just a coincidence that the brother, they used the brother's face or he probably got her because the brother had this job that they needed. Right. But why would they need her in any way? Well, most likely he would have gone through her to get to the brother. Yeah, I think that's what it was. Yeah, but it doesn't seem like he would need to do that because he just sent in Domino. I mean, Volpe, Fiona Volpe.

Right. Like he sent her to woo him. I'd love to see the movie when the fake brother doesn't die underwater and he goes back up and then he has to pretend to be the brother with Domino and they, like, move in together. And maybe they even fall in love because she's... Ew, no, because he's not her real brother. But she's got his face.

I know, but she's, but there's something new about him. You are attracted to people that look like you. Yeah. Who we all are? Well, I am. I'm just kidding. No, it just people, you're attracted to people who have similar features. We do say that you and I have the same nose male and female version.

Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Well done, both of you. Mm-hmm. And that was the, boy, what does that say about me? But that was one of the first things I noticed about you is how much I liked your nose. But I don't like my own nose.

Yeah, it sounds like you do. I guess so. I have to agree with Maria. You like your nose. How do you know? You guys have not read my nose journal. Okay, so yeah, this casino scene. Well, you're all, we're all entitled to our own casino scenes.

Right, but I don't, I would just like to, for the, Just to state for the record, I don't feel like any of the poker stuff is a casino scene in casino royale. How could you possibly say, it literally takes place in a casino, in a movie called Casino Royale, it's the thrust of the action.

I will say here's why, here's why. There's no one else on the floor. There are no other games happening around them. That's because they're in a private room. I understand that. I do not count it. I don't count it. He wants a,

You want a bustling. Yes, exactly. You want a bustling casino. I want Isthmus. I want this Nassau casino. I want a lot of people roaming around with the Famca Johnson scene. There's a lot of great casino scene. I get that.

I get that. It's implied that that exists somewhere in Casino Royale. Yeah, but we never see it. We never see it. You don't see it when they go to the bar, there aren't other tables in the background or anything? I feel like there aren't. You guys have seen it more than I have. The bar is the end of the road.

Yeah, they don't, I don't know. It never bothered me, but, you know, I'm not, I don't know what to say to you. Yeah, Matt, I think you're going to catch hell for this and rightly so. Guys, I love two things, casinos and James Bond. So I think I am the foremost expert on casino scenes in James Bond movies. So you're calling yourself not a lover, but an expert on casino scenes. On casino scenes in James Bond. What about the casino scene in the one where James Bond is in, is it Macau or something?

Oh, yes. That's a casino? Yeah. That's a good. Casino scene. I might say that that is a very good. Which one is that? But he doesn't really play.

He plays one hand maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he's like walking around and stuff. You want to see him just going table to table, just throwing his hand in. I want to see him just scooping up chips left and right. Yeah, I hear that. If you read the beginning, like the first chapter of Casino Royale, the book. Yeah.

The first chapter is just about roulette. Like it's literally just about him playing roulette. Yeah. Explains his betting method. I also. Oh, go ahead. Go ahead. We should know. All right.

He splits his money. He splits his bet between the first 12 numbers than the last 12 numbers. For what reason? He's got better chances on that. If you hit on either of those, they pay two to one. So he's always going to be scooping more money than he's putting out. And then occasionally, when he's feeling saucy, he'll go odd and even. But you'll never give a particular number?

No. Wow. But I have used his method in casinos and done okay. Bless you. Well, you're an expert on casino scenes. Yeah. What are you in? I'm an expert on wigs, and this is the worst James Bond toupee of any movie.

Oh. Wow. Now, people may argue and say diamonds are forever, isn't, and I will say, no, because that kind of weaves in a little gray. It's kind of, it looks like a man of that age. This one is so helmety and Lego-headed that I just think it's the worst one. But you think that was going off the style of hair at that point? Possibly.

Possibly. And you only live twice is a close second. But I think this one too, because they're dealing a lot with underwater scenes and probably they either have to refresh or have a bunch of toupeees on hand or they're reusing it after it's been in the saltwater. I don't know. Now, I also need to say about James Bond the way he looks in this. And just try and keep an open mind. Okay. But to me, trigger warning. To me in this movie, James Bond looks exactly like Carrie Mulligan. That's right. You said that. He could be not, Carrie Mulligan's gorgeous in a woman, but he could be her father. But his face, his lips, his eyes, how they're. Could you pull up a picture please?

I would just like to. I think they have the exact same features. Wow. Wow. So maybe she could play the next bond. Oh, I actually think she would be good. She was quite good in that collateral mini series. I'm going to bring up.

Connery first. Yes, it was. okay. She was good though. I can kind of see it. She's very a natural face which I appreciate in an actress. Yes. Natural. I see it a little bit with the mouth. They have this kind of like the long, the wide kind of thinner mouths. Well maybe he could play father and daughter in something. That's interesting. They have the same face. I thought the whole time I was watching Thunderball. I was watching Carrie Mulligan as Bond. And she did a good job. Yes, she did a great job. show Maria.

Yeah, I'm going to pull up some proper pictures here. Let's see. I wish she did more. Carrie Mulligan. She probably also wishes the same thing. I don't know, because she got married and has a kid, and I think she's very happy. Did you see collateral? No.

Oh, that's this BBC murder series. That's her latest thing. She's really good in it. She was in Mudbound, which I saw. She's great than that. She's doing enough, but you mean movies. Oh, she's in collateral right now, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I see it.

I mean, they've got the same. It's kind of the droopy little eyes. Not, not in an inactive way. Yes, of course. They're the eyes that kind of are, you know, the round puppy dog eyes. Yeah, I think they could play father and daughter for sure. Who are those girls? That's the three women of Thunderball.

I mean, look at that. They all look the same. No. They are exactly the same face. They all held the hands for a photograph. Who's the one on the left of the other agent? Martine Beswick and she's actually in, what is she in from Russia with Love, I believe? she's one of the gypsy dancers.

One of the belly dancers. Remember Marty when we watched from Russia with Love, the two gypsy fighters? Yeah. That's this girl. Oh, good. That's nice they bring her back. Well, then she dies.

She kills herself. Cyanide. Oh, that's right. Yeah, that was a good agent. Wait, what? She's a good agent. They mentioned she killed herself with cyanide. When they had the pillow over her?

They had a capture her in the chair, right? Uh-huh. I guess while they were out of the room, she took her cyanide pill. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Which is under her back left molar. Wow.

Under it, huh? You flip up a little container? Yeah, they have. I'd be afraid I'd get bored. My tongue would go over there. I'd flip it up and I'd accidentally swallow your cyanide. I grind my teeth too much. I'd be dead already.

Yeah. All right. Handle like eggs. Love it. Domino. Did you catch handle like eggs, Maria? What? The, the bones.

moms are marked handle like eggs. Oh, no, I didn't catch that. It's just something we talk about on here. That's cute. I like, I'm going to start using that. It appears again in living daylights. Oh, that's nice. How about Largo wearing a double-breasted blazer with no shirt?

Pretty great. Matt, did you catch that? It's a good look. It's a really good look. Oh, I want to just talk real quick about their little scuba outfits. Yes. When he had the double-breasted blazer with no shirt, was he also wearing his little high-waisted scuba leggings?

Are you talking about Bond or Largo? Largo. Yeah, I think he was. Yeah, I thought that was a cute look. Well, that could be a fashionable female model look, you know, leggings and a blazer with the... Yeah, overall, James Bond scuba, his scuba tard. Yeah, it was the oops I did it again. It's upsetting.

Scuba tard? It was the same outfit as oops I did it again. Yeah. The Britney Spears music video. Just the fact that he just doesn't wear the pants and he, I know we're supposed to recognize him by his legs, but... Oh, you're talking about the end. Where his boxers are coming out, but he's got the leotard over it. his little swim shorts.

Yeah, but no one else has the little shorts. They just have long leg. There's a lot of almost ball moments where you can almost see his balls. Yeah, a lot of thunderballs. A lot of thunderballs. That's why this new movie's called that. What do you think of Felix Lighter in this film? Okay.

That's a TV cop. Yeah. He reminds me of Wally for like Beaver's brother from Leave It to Beaver. Does he come up a lot in these movies? Not this actor. Felix. characters. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's the only time this guy played him. But this is actually closest to what Felix Leiter is in the books. Yeah. He's kind of a tall, good-looking Hawaiian shirt-wearing CIA kind of American Bond. What about a Felix Leiter spin-off series? Yeah, people have been talking about it. Really? Yeah.

With Jeffrey Wright, that would be amazing. Yeah. And bleeding chips. Yeah. Yeah, Jeffrey Wright took that role to a whole new level. Well, Jeffrey Wright's... You're not going to catch him in a Hawaiian shirt. Such a good actor.

No. Yeah. I mean, he's one of my favorite parts about Casino Real and Quantum of Salas. Agreed. And Hunger Games. Yeah. And Shaft featuring Samuel Jackson. And, uh...

Place Peoples Hernandez. Right. Can we talk about when she's... Okay, have we gotten to the when he... Who's scuba diving at the beginning? That's Domino. Yes. Okay.

I have a lot to say about the scuba scene. Okay. Number one. She's riding a turtle who does not want to be ridden. Yes, there's some animal issue. Talk about trigger warning. If you think that there are some issues with female representation in this movie, the animals had it worse.

When she lets go with that turtle, he gets the hell out of there as quick as he can't. And not to mention the harpooning and shooting sharks. I know. That's real, girl. No. That's a math that it's all real. Certainly. Do you agree other men?

Yeah, of course. Yeah, they didn't give it damage back down. They're not going to build fake sharks. For all, we know, they're harpooning those men for real. Oh, God. Oh, that looked bad. But was that turtle trained? No.

No, they found it. I guarantee you they just, yeah. Well, this is, remember when we went on our, uh, we were in Hawaii. What happened? Yes, we can. We're going to get a bill in the mail. What happened? We went, we're in Maui.

It was one of the mail from who? And we went swimming, we went snorkeling and along comes a turtle about that size. And we're just, it came right up to us. Well, we came right up to it. But we're swimming. around it and we don't know better and we're just like marveling at the beauty of this thing and I went up and just touched its shell. Oh, which are not so dangerous species.

We got back to the beach and saw a sign that said $20,000 fine if you touch these sea turtles. We didn't know. Oh my gosh. I mean, I just like tapped it, like just petted it. And it, I mean, to be honest, it did seem into it. You underwater power kissed it. I do it. Yeah, you power pet that turtle.

No, that poor guy. Which island was this off of? Maui. I'm going to try this. But we didn't know, and now we never would knowing. Don't touch it, but you can get, if you sit still underwater for long enough, they'll come to you. Or you could just, yeah, I mean, this thing was just, we just swam right up to it. It was just cruising.

Well, they're so used to that. Probably. They come up onto the beach, too. Constantly beach tourists. And then she sneezes underwater. She does? Yeah, that's how she gets her foot caught in the brief. Because she sneezes?

Which I didn't even, yeah, that's what I didn't understand. She sneezes underwater and her foot gets stuck. Wow. That doesn't seem connected to me. I know. It was a weird, jarring, like, obvious plot device that they're like. Yeah. When they have lunch right after this scene.

Oh, wonderful. I love that lunch scene. Yeah. Take a look. This is the final gloft. Okay. Take a look at the band behind James Bond. They are not, they are not moving.

Oh, really? Their fingers are not moving? You mean at the dinner. Oh, yeah. You're talking about the dinner, because I was watching that too, because I was looking. I was staring at the band, they're just like literally, the guys who are fake playing saxophone are just sitting there like this. Yeah.

With their mouths on the saxophone. And then they do two shots of that. And then when they finally, the band, I think, is finally instructed to pretend to play, the bass player's really into it. And the saxophone guys are just like, one. Like not even Not remotely matching what's happening Maybe they're playing bass

So funny So look out for that band That is being a horrible extra Actually that's not the last glove Oh exciting Wow Wow I really eagle-eyed this on the computer

At 4pm on a Friday I just want to mention too How the RAF military uniforms The British military uniforms Are the closest things to suits That any country has Like they're just not that militaristic They have maybe pocket

it's down below, but otherwise they just feel like kind of wool suits. Because all their pocketing is done on their vests they throw on the fly. Probably, yeah. Okay, so I have a lot of notes talking about underwater bullshit, quote unquote. So I'm going to skip all that. Where did they film all those underwater? Because it seemed like that was like weeks of filming in a pool somewhere, right? With all underwater stuntsman.

I think that was actually in the ocean. Yeah, in the Bahamas. I'm pretty sure. probably did some tank stuff, but I don't think so. I think it was all, yeah, just a bunch of C stuntmen. She, Fiona prevents the guy, this is now, I'm sorry jumping back, but Fiona prevents the guy from killing Bond. Why?

Yeah, why does she do that? Well, that was what I was going to ask. And who's killing Bond? Here's my fault. Oh, it's the guy who sees him, he sees Bond when they are bringing in the body of the dead real pilot. Oh, right. Okay? And he's got his sniper rifle. But he's, he's, he's putting on his silencer on his, on his, on his pistol. And Bond then takes the phone, knocks the guy with the knife. Right. So I think the other guy's coming to stab him through the window, which seems like a weird move.

But why does Volpe kill him? Are they both working for Spector? Yes. And here's why. I figured it out, by the way. This is when she shoots the car with the motorcycle rocket. Sweet motorcycle rocket. she then puts in a lake. Yeah. Or a man puts into the lake and then she takes off her helmet. Had Bond been killed, then the British Secret Service would have known that the nuclear weapons were in NASA. So why not just tell that other guy not to kill him? I think she couldn't get to him in time.

It's not like they had cell phones. Maybe just drive up the motorcycle next to him and go like abort. Trust me, abort. Oh. But did Bond know she was, he did know she was bad because she had that ring. Right. Yeah. but not until Mustang, the Mustang ride, right?

Wait, but he had not met her before the Mustang ride. Right. Correct. In fact, he doesn't know that that's her in the motorcycle because her hair's up in the helmet. Which I had a problem with because can you, why, girls who just put their hair up in those helmets? Yeah. Would probably be so uncomfortable because it would just feel like your hair was stuck to your thing. And then you take off the helmet and then it would all be stuck to your face still.

But it never is like that when they take off the helmet. When they take off the helmet, it's always just a little up. It rolls down like they're in a shampoo commercial. It only makes me feel really uncomfortable. Okay. I have a question going back then. At the beginning, when they're in the hell spot, when Bond goes into the guy's room,

whose room is he in? That was a question for me too, but I think that was his friend, the other agent. No, that was Count Lippe, right? Who's that? He's the guy there that's kind of overseeing everything. But he didn't even know about,

he hadn't gone to get his, his, he didn't even know what was going on yet when he was at the health spa, did he? No, which is great James Bond, I think. He's just sleuthing. Yeah. He's just, he's just on to, he smells something fishy and he's on to it. So he's just trying to figure out what's going on there. And so then the guy with the face wrap is also at the health club?

He is not at the health club until he come. Oh, the original guy is at the health club. Yeah. The original Air Force pilot, they're going to replace. But don't you think that's a little, yeah, don't you think that's a little like, wow, they just happen to be at the same health club, and then Bond goes to the Bahamas?

Yeah, and it's that way and Never Say Never Again, too. What's interesting in Never Say Never Again is that Fiona, are the what she called in Never Say Never Again, Fatima Blush. Oh, yeah. Wow, good pull. She's keeping Domino's brother plied with heroin. She's addicted him to heroin. Oh.

So there's a little bit more of like he's kind of like under her thumb. Got it. Yeah. And he's at the clinic. Right. Yeah. That's when Bond throws his urine sample in someone's face. That's right.

That's a classic. See, I think that what's her name? Not Domino. What's the other one? Fiona Volpe. Fiona Volpe is a really good, I mean, she's like the mastermind in this one. That's what I love her. That's a cool thing that they did.

Yeah. I do like that too. wish he had a moment with her after she got shot in the back where she was dying so we could be like yep yeah now you thought that wasn't quite fair game but she well i just think anytime anyone uses a woman as a shield it it's a little upsetting but it also you know what it was more than anything it was just for her death because they're screaming or anything it was just a silent well i think you get shot right in the spine in the right spot well i know but then you were Where's the grill?

They were both dancing and they both saw the gun. So it was just, and then I liked that he kind of dipped her, you know, and had that happen. But I just, maybe a twirl first would have built up this. It's worse than Spy Who Love Me, right? Doesn't he do that to that innocent woman? That's not right if that happened. I can't remember. Does he purposefully turn her to shield himself?

No? He wouldn't do that, Matt. Roger Moore would not do that. He wouldn't do that. That would be really naughty. Because he sees the gun. It's not. Hold on.

I'm going to look it up. That's super naughty. I'm pretty sure he does. But yeah, I just felt like there could have been a moment of... Oh, yeah, like a final... But you know who I liked was that American girl, a British girl that he found at the bar and he said, oh, I'd love to. And she went, you'd love to what? And then they just started dancing.

Hold on. Fun fact about that. Who is it? She's in Casino Real playing poker in the Bahamas. She's... I think she actually lived in the Bahamas. That's the thing. She's like...

She has star quality of that girl. Yeah. Because that's all... That's all NASA. Right? Like all that stuff in the... Yeah. I feel like she's a friend of the broccoli

or something like that. And that's why she ended up doing that. I also want to say that I want to start wearing a feather boa. And a meat glove. Are you talking about that... The blue thing? That shawl. No, the shawl she had, which that was like kind of sheer,

but then it had like the feather... Or not the feather boa, but like the fur... Oh, no, that was the one that she wore over her bathing suit. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, that was adorable. But no, I'm talking about the literal, huge, fluffy, like, feather boa. Who was wearing that? You didn't recognize.

Fiona was, right? Fiona, when she had the blue dress on at the end with the whole chase to the parade. Oh, I don't know. It was this huge feather bow, and I was like, wow, that actually seems kind of warm. But do you think that maybe it was just because this is Mardi Gras, so my feather bow will be perfectly in place? When our feather bow is appropriate, if not Mardi Gras. This is a spy who loved me.

And this is where he's embracing this woman and a gun comes in. Is she anyone? No, she's... Okay, so... Oh, she does it herself, that's right. Oh, see, that's nice. That's different. Okay, right.

Sorry, I was wrong. I just knew there was something like that. But she also... Isn't she not a good person? No, she's... She's okay to shield someone with your body, man or woman, if they're trying to kill you. I agree.

What? It's okay to shield yourself with a body, man or woman if they're trying to kill you. And she's also... going to, you know, theoretically let off nuclear bomb. Yeah. I'm all for gender equality in all. Yeah.

It's just wrong. Any human shield is not ideal. Right. But this is a, you know, he's in a dire situation. Yeah, this is a no-brainer because he, A, she's evil, or at least diabolical. And B, he can't get killed or else he won't help billions of people survive. Like, he needs to stay alive. Yeah, I get it.

I get it. He also has already been shot. That's right. In the leg. I was wondering, I somehow missed the point where he got shot in the leg. And then when he was hobbling through that parade, I was making smoothies. This morning. That was this morning.

We watched that? Yeah, that was the ass towards the back. Okay. So he's hobbling through that parade. And I kept thinking, and I just see them tracking this red paint. What is this red paint? He was painting the town red. He said, this is my town.

Nassau's mine. When Bond goes to Palmyra to, like, investigate during the middle of the night, there's a rare Bond thing where he drops his Walter PPPK off the roof and you rarely see Bond make a mistake. Yeah. Like just fumble or something. He also trips once when he's running across the street. He kind of fumbles as well, which I noticed it. Is that when he is the shot in the leg, though?

I don't know. But also in that parade chase scene and there are moments in this movie that were kind of gritty that felt a little bit like, you know, Daniel Craig Bond style. But when he, after he loses them, hot on his tail in the parade and he comes out on his hands and knees through the crowd. I was like, that is so not Bond. And the people look around like, who is this guy? And then he kind of like lives and walks really nervous to the club. It was just like very not.

It's weird to see Bond a little afraid. Like he's on one hand when Bond ever feels that way. Yeah. And I kind of liked it. And then also when you pointed out when they really scared, spooked him with the shark. Yeah. Yeah. That Connery scene where the shark comes out,

they didn't tell Connery about that, and he got really pissed. He did? I didn't know that. You mean when he's going from pool to pool? Yeah. And so like the shark's just coming right at him and he has to move to the side?

Yeah. Why didn't they tell him? Probably to get a natural reaction or he, oh, I think they knew he wouldn't do it if they did. There was a lot of like, well, there weren't many unions back then for either animals or people. I will say that, My final gloft takes place during the parade.

There is a clear shot of a dog peeing on the street in the middle of the parade. In the middle of the parade, my eyes clocked the dog, and then I just look at the dog's just pissing. So there's a shot in the parade of a dog just pissing. Wow. Margo. It's all right, Margo. He made it out okay. I'd love to go to the Kiss Kiss Kiss Club.

Yeah. Yeah, that looked like a lot of fun. Yeah. Is that there? Is it still there? Oh, it was a real thing? I don't know if it was a real thing. I don't know.

I liked when he put her down at the table and he went. Mind if she sits down, she's dead. She's just dead. Yeah. She's just dead. I did like that. What little do they know in a couple minutes? Blood's going to be pouring out of her body.

Speaking of a PPP, I'll be right back. I'm going to take a wall through PKK break, everybody. The, what do you guys think? I'm going to ask you both. Someone's at my front door, but I'm ignoring that because my question to you guys is... Wait, someone's at your front door? Yeah. Oh, you can see with your...

Yeah. The ring video doorbell tells you whenever. Use the promo code Bond for the ring video doorbell. No, no. Doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. When Bond beds Fiona Volpe, right? Yeah, when he goes, you're wild.

You should be in a cage. And she goes, this bed feels like I am in a cage. Yes. Then they have that moment afterwards where they're like being like, this meant nothing to me. This meant nothing to me. Oh, you're James Bond. I should have known about your ego, blah, blah, blah.

Uh-huh. What do you think of that scene? Do you think? I don't even remember them. They're like trying to one up each other with who was fucking who for information. Well, I thought they deserve each other, to be honest. No, I think they were both, they were both attracted to each other. Yeah.

But neither of them are capable of love in this movie. And so both of them were doing it. They just wanted the other person to know, like, you know what, this didn't mean anything. And then, like, of course, they'd be like, well, it didn't mean anything to me either. I think that's called a hate fuck. I agree. I agree. Is that what it is?

But I do like her line about James Bond's reputation and how I believe she says something of the effect of you sleep with James Bond and you turn the girls back to the moral side of good. Like something like that. Like that's what he was. She thought of. Oh, so they're kind of playing on that expectation that she was going to turn good. And she's like, not this one. I like that scene.

I thought that they had real chemistry. I think that's a very good interplay. And the most interplay I think we ever get out of James Bond and a woman that he sleeps with that isn't his love interest. Yeah, I like I like to look different because I just feel like it would have given that more, I don't know, I would have been more connected if I would have known which girl he was with at that time. I agree. I agree that's confusing because like when I picture them,

In this movie, I picture the same woman twice. Yeah. I think one has more red hair. Well, one has a mole. I think they placed that mole on her, maybe even in post. I want to talk about... Let me see if she has that mole. I know it's towards the end of the movie.

In fact, it's the very end of the movie, but I just want to talk about the nuclear scientist with the heart of gold. Yeah. Oh my gosh. I adored that. And then it was... Domino's such a bitch, though, because she was like, I don't know who he was, but he

helped me. That's the funniest thing I was. I was like, lady, he's been probably living like in that same. compound with you for years and you've never given him a time of day. I think he's just like Specter's nuclear scientist. Do you know what I mean? And like

does he turn, man, maybe you know this. Does he turn because because he realizes that they're not just going to take the ransom money and give the bombs? Yeah, I believe so. And the mole was real, by the way.

Wow. Are you sure? But it was probably enhanced. Enhance. but that line is so funny to me I don't know who he is but he helped me and that one's Domino

yeah yeah also I like when the guy is going to torture Domino but he's just going to use ice cubes Ice cubes and a cigarette Yeah it was like Hot and cold scientifically placed I'd be like what could that mean

It's just ice cubes Yeah the ice cube they're gonna melt And also that seems like they would be refreshing for one after the other Yeah but maybe they're a different place Like, where do you think he was going to put them? What would be the worst place?

Oh, on your teeth, ice cubes. Ooh. Oh, yeah. That would be bad. Oh. There's a moment in this... In your eyes. Yeah.

In the bridge of the Discovalante. Yeah. At the end of the movie. Best name for anything ever. Where they've jettisoned the cocoon shell, right? They've jettisoned the shell. They're now going super fast in this boat. Turned into a hydrofoil.

Yep. And one of the discovales... Valante crew members is bringing up champagne. Yes. Like he's like the 3 p.m. champagne guy who's like been instructed 3 p.m. I don't care what's happening. I watch champagne brought to me.

So like they're in the middle of like avoiding 70,000 paratroopers and James Bond. And disco valante crew member guy just walks up with a bottle of Don Perignon and a tray and a glass. But it's also cut to like so quickly like it's part of the fight. You just get a flash of it. You get a flash of. champagne guy. Let's talk about this fight in there. Okay, so Terrence Young directed this. He also directed from Russia with Love and like has one of the best fights in all of Bond history on board

the train. This is another close quarters fight, but it's not nearly as effective. It's because there's so many people involved. I guess, but I think that they're thinking like, well, let's up the ante a little bit. But it just, this, the editing and the speed is a little too frenetic for me. What did you guys say? It was going, the boat was going so fast. And then after the fight was over, no one did anything to turn the boat until like at one point and was like oh no the rocks but no one cared that the boat was still going that fast well they were trying to steer it he would run over there during the fight and steer it away no i'm talking about like after after everyone had finished fighting they tried to slow the boat down right he said he jammed the controls he said he jammed the controls

okay there's one point after they finish fighting where everyone's kind of just standing there asking if everyone's okay. And then they go and do the boat. But the whole time they're going full speed ahead. I'm talking about like 15 seconds maybe. Oh, right after Domino kills Largo. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I like that moment. And then she goes, I'm glad he's dead. And he goes, I'm glad I killed him. Oh, yeah, I glad I killed him. I don't know who he is, but he helped me. Well, Bond has a line. I'm glad I killed him.

And he says something like, so am I or you're glad. Yeah. Yeah. there's some great acting that's happening that is by none of the main players in this the guy who is captaining the cocoon of the boat of the disco valante yes the guy there'll be on the lookout next time this is not a gloff per se but just i just want you to observe this gentleman's acting uh followed up by his dive to safety yeah i think i notice this his acting he's So broadly, I guess it's all you can do when you're in the middle of a water fight, a water battle.

But his pantomiming is so like, I would describe it as like, have you ever been on the great movie ride in Disney World? I think so. What's that? It was in MGM studios. What's that, Papa? I've never heard of it. It was inside the Chinese theater that they have at Disney Hollywood Studios. So in the great movie ride, there would be a lot of.

you'd go through a lot of animatronic scenes of like the Tarzan movie singing in the rain, Wizard of Oz. Oh, so cool. But then there'd be two scenes where there were actor, there were Disney cast members performing the role of gangster or robbery cowboy. And the way that those, the way that those cast members would act is exactly how this boat captain was actually.

Like he was like a chicken with his head cut off, but like expressing. sort of like a confidence to the crew that they should keep firing at these battleships that I just can't really put words to it but just be on the lookout for that. Yeah, I notice when that part explodes and they're kind of running towards the back. He's just kind of like jauntily. Do you have this movie digitally?

Let me see. Because if you do, I just want to show everybody. I love to see it. Yeah, I've checked that out. This guy's acting is really something. Meanwhile, Matt, I feel like you're dressed Thunderball style. You've got a gingham shirt on like Bond had. And is that the Thunderball watch?

It's the Thunderball band, which is echoed in Specter. It's the same band. But he has that band in Thunderball, doesn't he? He does before he puts the Brightling on. The Brightling Geneva, which is founded yard sale. Is that small? The rebreater? Is that real?

Can you get one of those? Because that seems real handy, the thing that he just puts. So much so that who, the U.S. military or the CIA came to the producer. and said, how'd you do that? And they're like, we didn't. It's fake. And so much so that Quigong Jin used one in the Phantom Menace. So this guy, this guy right here.

He's like, every shot that he's like, oh, I guess I better join you guys in the water. Oh, I wish I had a boat. Just go back a couple. Just go back a couple shots. But I love the PT boat coming at them, like John F. Kennedy and PT 109. Like, it's just like, this guy is now the captain.

Like, I feel like he's excited with his new responsibility. Oh, no. Short-lived. Short-lived. I like how it came apart like that. Is that a real thing

that can do? They built it for this. Yeah. You got this. I bet he's a real sea captain and he doesn't know how to act. Come on. He doesn't have a weapon.

He's just at the helm. He's just pointing and yelling. Right in the line of fire. That's hilarious. Go. on somebody. Like he's like out of things to do. Did you notice this, this addition to has streaks down the middle,

like the copy of this film, whatever it is. See those? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, oh, I better go. Pop two. Last man on, I'm the captain. Deep belly flop. Will you go to the part right after the fight?

I want you to see that no one cares that they're still going full speed ahead. It's right at the end of this scene. See that oops I did it again outfit? Yeah, it does. same outfit she wears in the music video. That is the Ups I did it again. I know. I know this because of the Britney Spears slot machine.

I like the music. I like the score. Yeah, the score is great. Those legs. He's shot. I know. Those legs. So hairy.

Put them away. I love this. I love that she gets to do it. I like her little jumper. And then he gets to see it. She gets the satisfaction that he never got, that Bond never got from Volpe. Okay.

look how fast they're still going. And look how no one cares. Right. Look. Who's he? Look it. I don't know, but he helped me. They're right towards the rocks.

Yeah, finally. Maria's right. That is a lengthy period of time to sort of like catch your breath. But they also do kind of pause here a little bit. Did you imagine? I love how the guy says he can't swim and they just send him out with the thing. But. Oh, man.

I know I'm repeating myself here, but if if you haven't heard the last Thunderball episode, this explosion was so big in the filmmaking that it like blew out windows all over the Bahamas or NASA or something. Wow. Yeah. Turn your monitor off, bro. Oh, thanks, bro.

Well, it kind of ends abruptly, too, with them getting sucked up with the cargo lift. And they really linger on her reactions being like, what are you doing? What's that? You're hooking yourself up? Where are you going to go? And I thought he just wanted to cuddle at the end. Because he like sets them all up in their little raft. And then he like scoots into her and I thought they were just cuddling.

But then I realized that they had to be close to each other to be lifted away. But I thought that was a nice little moment. Yeah. I love when he kills Vargas. Doesn't, um, this is three movies in a row at least where he ends up in the water with the bond girl. Because isn't he in a raft with Pussy Golo? From Russia with Love, he's in a raft. No, they're in a boat.

Wait, what? From Russia with Love. Oh, it's a hotel. No, isn't it from Russia? Oh, I'm sorry. Ends up. Yeah. Goldfinger.

The ending of from Russia with love with the boat chase. Oh, they are in a boat at the end. They're in a gondola. Yeah. And Dr. No? What does Dr. No? Dr. Boat might as well be called, right?

Because of all the boats. Right, all of Connerys. Diamonds are forever. Boat. They're on a cruise ship. Holy shit. Every Connery movie ends at sea. Except, except for Goldfinger.

because they're on land. He covers them in a parachute so they can bone. But aren't they on land? They're on a raft or something. No, they're not in a raft on land, are they? That lover's not experts. That thing's real, though, where the plane goes by and moves people up like that. How does it work again?

It just has these big catchers in the front and it grab, like, they inflate a balloon that has a cord. And the cargo plane catches the cord and cuts the balloon away. and then yanks the people along with them. I don't know how they reel them in, though? Maybe they don't. You think that that thing just starts turning? Maybe. That's what I would do if I was a designer.

What kind of like jerk do you get from that? That can't be good for the bones. Well, listen, Batman does it in the dark night. Why don't they just pick them up with a boat? Great question. There's lots of boats out there. I think he just wants to really seal the deal with dogs. He wants to do.

Because they haven't had relations yet. They did. They did on the beach, right? Oh, when they go underwater and all those bubbles come up. That was crazy. I honestly think they probably just touched each other for a while. I don't think they had full-on relations. But maybe up on the beach.

And then how embarrassing. Oh, no, because they show them walking up. They're walking up and she gets stung. Well, it's probably best because it is weird for him to bone down with Domino and then go, by the way, your brother's dead. Yes. Well, but we know that he doesn't have much tact, you know? That's true.

We saw that when he swooped that other woman at the wellness spa. Yeah. He's saying, yeah, I did not. Can you imagine looking at x-rays, the doctor coming up behind you and just putting his arm on you? Oh, God. The last thing I want to mention very quickly here

is just, as we're approaching the end of the movie, there's a moment that I find very enjoyable in nearly every James Bond movie. And it's the moment where James Bond is speaking to the villain of the movie. And it's usually in the first third or middle of the movie where there's a little bit of humanity that is expressed by the villain. Yeah. And in this movie, it's the moment where Bond is asking how fast his boat goes.

And like there's a crack in Largo where he just starts to like have a like his eyes light up. Oh, he's like he like starts talking about his boat. Oh, he can go nearly 20 knots. He has a couple of those. I like that he goes, will you dance with Domino? Like will you have my woman for the night because I'm busy? Like he's still a gentleman. Yeah, I like that.

Yeah, there's like this weird, like... And the shotgun comment is so great. It's interesting. It's interesting. And I think it's an inadvertent character thing that happens in James Bond movies where the similarities between the supervillain and James Bond are usually deeper than surface level. Like they're just like, there but for the grace of God go bond. Do you know what I mean?

So like there's like this, there's always this little crack of humanity that happens. between the villain and bond. And I always just, I always like enjoy the moment. And I always think to myself like, what if, what if the villain was just like, you know what, this is, you know what, we're just having to, I'm got, forget it. Here, the bombs are over here. You and I. We are buds now. We are buds now.

I feel like Dr. No gets actually gets his feelings hurt when Bond doesn't join him. I agree. Yeah. I agree. And then like in Goldfinger, for instance, you know, there's that whole moment of, um, there's a little bit of. humanity in the golfing scene. Yeah. You know?

Silver too. They all share interest. They all are men who like to indulge and, you know, like fancy clothes and champagne and women. Yeah. But it's always like, but this movie I think, this movie for me, I think is the most, it's the biggest swing towards normalcy that I've seen from a villain where he's talking about his boat.

Well, let's rank it. And did this come up in your esteem at all, Matt, regardless of what score you give it, Was it better than you remembered or worse than you remember? It was better than I remembered. Me too. Better than I remembered. The plot was clearer than I remembered. And, you know, this goes up.

My rating is going to go up a point based on how I watch the movie, which was scrubbing through the boring parts. So I want you all to be aware of that when we grade my, when I give my rating. I have to do that with singing in the rain when they go, when the Broadway melody starts. fast forward that. So you've never got to see the full-size singing in the rain animatronic at Disney? No, I've never been to Disney World. Oh, my God.

So maybe if we could start a GoFundMe or like a James Bond send Marie to Disney World? We should because we talked about this very thing. We go to Epcot and we do a bond, we talk about, and we go to every national restaurant and talk about what Bond did in those countries. That would be so much fun. We've got to do that.

That's our right off. That would be so great. And we can do in the. meantime we can do big ones. Like we can we can cross over once in a while but we'll do big ones in each country seeing you know what people in that country might do. Oh and also in some of the rides, you know, like that, um, what's the roller coaster, the aerosmith coaster?

Yeah. Rock and roller coaster? Yeah. Isn't that the one you're like trying to get somewhere? Is your big dilemma whether or not you should even go on that? Yeah. I love that coaster. But the dilemma you're trying to get to the show.

You're in L.A. traffic. That's like the premise, right? So it's like, what do you do, do you hop out and do you walk or? That's a huge life dilemma. Hell yeah, girl, we just went. That's right. I've been twice. Oh, no, I've been three times.

I'd love to be sent there. I just went. Yeah, I've been a lot. Someone started to go fund me and, uh, how much money do you think we need to get? Well, you've got a wife. I've got a boyfriend. Yeah. Six weeks.

I will tell you that Dori and I, our trip costs. I mean, do you count plane tickets? Yeah, that's how you get there. It was probably over $5,000. I believe it. It's that expensive. What? Just the tickets, just the park hopping tickets were probably...

Oh, we got free because I used to work there. Probably like a thousand bucks? When did you work at Disney World? Well, I worked at Disney World. So you get into all the parks free. So we still have hookups. So we didn't pay to get into Universal either. But what about the hotels?

But that was because of a podcast listener got us in free. Yeah. The universal, I have to say, there's this great, YouTube channel. I'm going to plug it right now. It's called... Jake Logan? It's called Logan Paul.

He does these great tourist videos. No. Logan Jake. It's called Expedition theme park. Oh. Or excavation theme park? Expedition. Well, it's like a...

Archaeological. It's sort of like a history of theme park stuff. But he did a 20-minute... There's a 20-minute sort of documentary this guy made, and he used to be a Disney employee, about the Bill and Tedge. show that happened at Halloween Horror nights through the years.

That got canned because they were saying things like homoithobic. That's the L.A. one. This is the Florida one. Okay. But it was actually, I've never, I'd never seen that show. I'd never been to that park during Halloween. It was so fascinating and really well done. Anyway,

I just to shout out. I love theme park like travel shows. Like, I love when they go to each hotel at Disney World on like the travel channel. Don't get me started on the Dunst shows, man. Oh, man. Oh, man. You know, Matt, what do you think? How do you think someone would get to experience what a poster might look like for a stunt show at Six Flags for Live and Let Die? How would someone see what that might be like? All I have to do is go to MacGorley.com. And right there on the front page is a link to the red bubble page where you can buy a live and let die stunt spectacular poster. And I think I've got my idea for my next one. This is amazing. And it's a high quality piece you're getting. Matt, you're the best. It's beautifully drawn and, you know, just head over there.

Macorley.com. That's where you can find the link to really just imagine what it would be like to see a live and let die stunt spectacular. I'm looking at it right now and I can't believe my eyes. It's amazing. You were here when I was doing it. I know and the whole time I went, I can't believe it. Did you go, what is he even doing? Well, I didn't even know it was going to turn out that shiny.

Well, this is the, he went through a number of printing. I love it all. No, it's nice. Here's the underrated part of this poster. And allow me to say, Matt, the artwork's beautiful, well done. But the underrated part of the poster is where it says live action. Yeah. With a little explosion.

Starburst. Live action. Yeah. I agree. And there's a hidden Margo in there, too. There is a hidden Margo. I will not ruin it again. Also, if you want some more bond merchandise, you can go to Podswag.com slash bond.

Is it bond or bonding? Try one of them. We've got new posters up there, signed posters. There's also available the Nicknack Tabasco T-shirt, hot off the presses. It's so good. And also the Pigeon Double-Take and Cananga Balloon shirt's still available. A few more pigeon double takes left for some reason. And before we get to our reviews, someone sent us something, Matt.

At Dear Matt, Matt, and Emily, enclosed our two unusual James Bond books that needed a new home and I could think of no better place than the James Bonding archives. Thanks for the hours of entertainment, Mitchell B. All right. This is a Tomorrow Never Dies novelization for you by Raymond Benson. Oh, my God. And a die another day novelization for me. I'm really the loser in all of this, but you've really got something.

Oh, this is amazing. Thank you, Mitchell. I'm very excited. Bond had spotted Stamper earlier in the evening. The man exuded menace and an aura that suggested mental instability, instability rather. Inability, right. Did Ian Fleming live like Bond?

Did he live a very luxurious life scene? Yes. He tried. He did. He was more misogynistic and racist than Bond. He would go live the winter at his estate called Golden Eye in Jamaica. And that's every year he'd write one new book. And he would go like skin diving and in his words, get a sunburn. And then write on his golden typewriter. Oh, wow. What a life. And he had this social set there that this British group of people that he would hang out with. Like a bunch of expats who had like been in the war together. Yeah, and who knows, maybe they were on the run or something, but like Ivar, Bryce and all these kind of like socialites and they would all drink and he would smoke something like

60 or 70 cigarettes a day and drink like a bottle of vodka a day. When did he die? How old was he? 54, 56, something like that. Yeah, live fast. He died. He was only 56 years old when he died. Maybe I'm wrong. Let me check. I feel like he was in his 60s. Matt's not giving Ian Fleming. And then he would live in London the other time? Yeah. And what kind of house did he have there. I'm not sure. He also had some complicated marriage where he didn't really love his wife. He had a mistress.

Oh, no. I don't know. Murray's imagining herself as the wife. The man that writes James Bond has a complicated relationship. He was 56. He died at 56. Wow. And he called it Golden Eye before the book?

Yeah, it was based on a mission that he spearheaded in World War II with the naval intelligence, I think. Now, Matt, what year did he pass away? Sixty-seven? I'm sorry, 64. So he got to see Goldfinger. He got to go on the set of Goldfinger. He never saw the movie. He died before it came out, I believe. So, and he was 57, 56. Yeah. So there's a, theoretically, had he just, had he, had he not succumb to the heart disease or the hard drinking or the hard living, he could have made it, I mean, he really could have. have been around for Dalton. It could have been a mat long.

He died on his son's 12th birthday. Oh no. He probably wasn't there though. What is Ian Fleming Jr. up to? His last recorded words were an apology to the ambulance drivers for having inconvenience them saying, I'm sorry to trouble you chaps. I don't know how you get long so fast with the traffic on the road these days. Fleming was buried in the churchyard of Sevenhampton near Swindon. Oh, near where the paper.

places. Yeah, Winden Branch. Yeah, that's right. Wow. And one more question. These were like Pulp books when he wrote them. They weren't well regarded books. Well, they were. They were pulpy, but Kennedy was the one that like really brought them into fashion because he read from Russia with love and in some interview said like, this is the book on my nightstand. I'm really enjoying. And so that really, and that really put Winden-Fleming sales too. There's something about where he wrote or said something like, wow, that's exciting. that Kennedy was reading his book. Yeah, a fellow World War IIman.

Yeah, but a lot of literary people frowned on it because it was considered vulgar. And also the prose is really just like short and terse and like not very literary. You know, I find them not easy to read. Really? I find them super easy. I find it so, I find it staggered.

Like I find the sentences sometimes to be too blunt. Yeah, it's just like, it's just, it just feels it's rough. Oh, I like it. It's perfect for someone with like attention disorders like me where it's just like. It's the Michael Connolly of his day, everybody. Tune in to Bosch on Amazon. We did and then didn't. Oh, you didn't like it?

Well, we didn't hate it. We just didn't follow it. I thought I accurately described it as saying it's the worst written dialogue you've ever heard on a cop show. But it's the, I think it's the show that Los Angeles is best portrayed. Maybe we should give it another shot because I read one of those books. I really liked it. Yeah, I really like. Did you do one episode of the first season?

No, we did a couple. Yeah, we got maybe two and two or three. That's interesting to me. I really enjoy, I describe it as just the best show for divorced dads. Like it just seems like something a divorced dad would be really into. Oh, no. Sounds like something we'd like. Dvorce dad cinema.

Leave me and then I can enjoy this show. Yeah, you need a kid first, though. You need to be real sad about it. All right, guys, let's rate this sucker. This is tough. So, O00 to 007, 007 being best. Wow, this is a tough one.

Do we have what I gave Goldfinger? I want to say you gave it like a 005. Yeah, maybe a double four. I don't know. Maybe I gave it a double four. I don't remember. I would give this a double O five and a half.

Wow. Wow, great. Okay. I'm going to do a 0045. Okay. That is a great rating. So great, in fact, that I agree. Okay, okay.

Really? You're going that high? I'm not even going that high. I'm going to double 04.5. Again, remember, this is skewed up one point. So it's really a 003. It's really a double three and a half movie. That's right.

If you're scrubbing. If you're scrubbing, it's a 4.5. Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen a lot of the other ones. So then in the, you know, 007 is obviously Casino Royale. that this is, you know, I've only seen what, like three others or whatever. Wait, so can we just do a quick little diversion here? I'm going to throw a title at you that you haven't seen each of you separately, and you tell me what you think the plot of this is.

Okay, Maria, the spy who loved me. Okay, it's about a guy named James Bond. You're right so far. It's about the spy who loved me. Okay, it's about a woman's spy. He's after this woman spy who was. who was wrongfully scorned by another Russian spy. Now she's after someone.

Basically, it's about a woman, a woman, hell hath no fury, like a woman scorned. Like a spy on a revenge kit. Yeah, am I right? No, but that sounds pretty good. Shall we tell her what it's about? Oh, good luck.

I can tell you very quickly. It's about a guy with a big boat that steals two nuclear. clear submarines in an attempt to start World War III. Yeah. And what about the spy who love me? Well, there is a female spy. Oh, she's a Russian spy.

She's like the Russian counterpart of James Bond. But Bond kills her fiancé. At the beginning of the movie. She has to work with him but also hate him, but then fall in love with him. Oh, yes, yes, yes. And marry him go. It's a whole thing. The classic.

Yeah. All right. Amanda, let's say, how about diamonds are forever? Have you seen that one? I don't know if I have Okay Well I think it's about A criminal mastermind

Who wants to She's closing her eyes Like she's channeling No I'm like I'm with her I'm watching her formula Who has a headquarters In the Arctic Who wants to melt all the polar ice caps

So to turn the world Into a water world And then James Bond comes and he has to kidnap a billionaire's wife to help him. And what about diamonds? Well, ice. Oh, nice.

That's interesting. That's where I got that. Maria Moon Raker. Okay, well, I know this takes place in space. That's all you need to say. This movie, the title or the plot of this movie is this movie takes place in space. It's that they have to rake the moon's surface to get the gold nuggets out of it. And then they have to get it before the other, the Chinese or the Russians and their space

program does it. Amanda, for your eyes only. A one-eyed woman must come to terms with the death of her father. No, it's the James Bond movie. Wait, what is that? It just sounds like an indie movie. But that's right. She's so far she's correct. Not the one-eyed part, but her father's killed. Her father is killed, so she must team up with James Bond, a paid British assassin to find the men who did it. Maria Octopussy. Okay. I'm going to try to do what Amanda does. James, James Bond, can you tell me where it takes place?

No. James Bond is something with a submarine. So he gets into a submarine. You can't get out. And then a big. That's a couple of Bond movies. That's actually Spy Who Love Me. And then the octopus is the girl, and she saves him.

Okay, that's not too bad. All right, Matt, what's next for us? Very impressed. What are we watching next time? Well, you know, I think it's time to get a little frivolity. Oh. You know, I think it's time to go to a lighter bond. I'm talking about Roger Moore, of course.

That is 100% correct. We are going to have our own stunt spectacular. We're going to watch Live and Let Die. That's exciting. That's a fun one? Oh, yeah. It's one of my favorites. You watched it recently?

Not too long ago. Should we not do it? No. Oh, okay. Well, I mean, last summer we did an outdoor screening, remember? I wasn't here. You were invited. I wasn't here.

I was one of 9,000 places. Yeah. All right. So, girls, tell us about the big ones and how this is a crossover spectacular. If you listened last week, you'll already know. what this is, but why is this the podcast people should be running, not walking to? And that's my endorsement. Well, if you like Bond, you like moral ambiguity. And so if you like moral ambiguity, you'll love the big one. The big ones. Or every week we dissect moral topics from historical

dilemmas to relationship problems to brain busting moral choices. But it's more than that. You actually go into like almost dramatic reenactments where you play characters. Who are some of the guests that have been on this show? Paul F. Tompians has been on this show. Matt Goreley. Terran Killum. John Early. Kate Burlant.

Melissa Stettin and Martin Garrow. Angela Trimber. Stephanie Allen. Mark McConville. Mark McConville. And much, much more. But yeah, it's really fun. And we also go through an answer, listener mail, and we'll get into, you know, every day I have a moral dilemma.

Yeah, it's just a fun thing to do. You know, you know how you sit at a dinner party, you know, hopefully you get invited to some. And you sit there and someone says, you know, would you, would you, you know, put your baby in a, in a basket and send it off to see if you could save a million people? Or would you shrink your sweetheart six inches for $6 million? That's one of my favorites. Without consent. Yeah.

Or would you, would you put, would you, if you dropped a pair of tongs on the floor at Whole Foods, would you put it back in the, in the, in the, sample basket? What if you were in a hurry? What if your car was on fire? Never. Yes. So we take these and we talk about them with our guest and we really get into it. And sometimes we do little reenactments to try and get into the heads of our characters.

Is shoplifting wrong? My wife often points out that I will go to great lengths to not inconvenient strangers. Interesting. I find that way as well. Even if it means helping them. Sometimes more so than the people I know and should care about it. Oh, 100%. Yes, this comes up a lot and also see something, say something, that doing nothing is often morally wrong.

Yeah. This is, this is, I can't wait, guys. Yeah, it's fun. It's a lot of fun. And so, yeah, we, check us out on wherever you find your podcast. And so we've already. And the last episode of this podcast will have been one. Oh.

There'll be a link in the description. Wow, what a treat. So listen to that and listen to this and listen to that. And listen to this. Well, thank you guys so much. Where can people find you if you care about that sort of thing? Oh, I care. No, you can find me at M underscore Blasucci, B-L-A-S-U-C-C-I on Twitter and on Instagram.

And I'm at Amanda Fun Buns wherever you find Fun Buns. And follow at The Big On Twitter on Twitter because we post a lot of fun dilemmas on there too. All right, thanks so much for joining us again. Matt. James Bonding. will return. This has been an Earwolf production. Executive produced by Scott Ackerman, Chris Bannon, and Colin Anderson.

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