James Bonding - Tomorrow Never Dies with Alex Schmidt

Episode Date: July 26, 2023

Tomorrow Never Dies again! Will Matt finally agree with Matt or will Matt convince Matt that Matt is right? Cracked's Alex Schmidt drops by to help us settle the debate. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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No? I didn't want at 8 o'clock in the morning once. Well, for what? Actually, I've done a number at 8 o'clock. Some at 7.30, even. But the 8 o'clock in the morning one was Bill Gates. Oh, because you just had to get him when you could get them. We had to get them when we could get them.

And we went to, we went to Seattle for it. Wow, well, that's worth it, I guess. And then Seattle has a big time difference, so that's understandable. Yeah, huge. Yeah. Yeah. They're on ocean time, right? Yeah.

That's the sound? They are. We're on maritime. Oh, I was going to say something, but it couldn't match that. So I bailed out. That's what we're here for. Listen, the point is, this is James Bonding. I'm Matt Gourley.

I met Myra. And today we are joined by Alex Schmidt from the Cracked podcast and someone who himself has some experience with some bond. You have a history? Like you've done some videos and yourself covered a fair amount of Bond as well. I'm so excited to be here. I'm a lifelong fan of it. And I've covered Bond for our website cracked in various ways, things I would like to see happen, things I'm excited about that happened. And yeah, and I've been to Pinewood Studios briefly and life.

You know, I feel like I've done a few pilgrimages in my own way. Could you tell us just a bit about that in a nutshell? Yeah, I studied abroad in college. I knew someone who knew someone who was working in ADR at Heinwood, and so they let me go see it for the day. And so I got to see no bond stuff at all specifically going on. What era would this have been in the Bond canon? They, it would have been right, I'll take that again.

Quantum of Salas came out that year. Oh, okay. So it would have been between after making that before making Skyfall. Oh, big dry spell. So what I saw is Prince of Persia extras wandering around and texting while carrying shields and swords. It was great. If you're going to see some extras on a studio lot, that's pretty great. Yeah, because that's the old cliche is there's always some sort of sword and sandals extra walking around.

That, a cowboy and a space person. Like those are gasoline production, those genres. Yeah. Apparently they are. Well, it's great to have you here, Alex. Oh, I'm thrilled. Thank you. And today especially because it's a very... It's a great movie, one of the greatest in the franchise.

This is a contentious. This is a top level. Yeah. I mean, this is a big episode, everybody. If you're a regular listener, even if you're not, probably if you've checked in, even in one episode, we've talked about this. Yeah. This is about the only place that Matt and I disagree, really. And it's, we're chasms apart.

And I'm only hoping that upon your second viewing, the plates have shifted a little closer. Yeah, and that was the big question this episode because, you know, I'm intent on taking this season and trying to find the best in these things. I did that with Golden Eye, enjoyed myself. This one was tough because it's always been my least favorite Bond film.

And again, disclaimer, my least Bond favorite Bond film is still so much more enjoyable than most any other film. It's like the worst day fishing is still better than the best day working. You know what I'm saying? I sadly do You read that off a plaque on the wall Come on in my office

Hey yeah Where I do my work and dream of fishing So the big question is Did I enjoy it more? Is it still my least favorite Bond film? When do we reveal this? I'm very curious to know Don't I don't know

What is your guess I mean I watched it I tried to watch it last night through the eyes of a bitter Matt Gordon. Oh, I thought you were just going to say, I tried to watch it. It's difficult to watch. No, I was like, okay, let's see where Matt will have his problems.

And that's how I tried to watch it last night. And that's funny because I tried to watch it, like, let me watch it like I'm ready to enjoy this. Yeah. Well, you know, there were a couple spots where I was like, I could see him having a problem with this and this. but overall I just I still cannot wrap my head around your your bitter angry feelings towards this movie all right and before we get to that Alex where do you fall on this movie yeah to triangulate me I like you said it's a bond movie so compared to movies in general it's phenomenal it's the best and compared to bond movies I'd say it's like upper middle it's pretty good and I also like Brosnan quite a bit in general so I'm screwed today a couple of A couple of Brosnanians here. Yeah.

So. Yeah. Okay. Well, it was previously 24th on my list. And probably by a long shot for me, too. And I know that confuses some people because it's like, well, there's die another day out there. Why could that, why would this one be on the bottom? Well, I've said before, I at least feel like die another day goes far enough to embrace its nuttiness.

This one was always too middling for me to be entertaining. But where do I fall on it now? I got to know. Unfortunately, I still find it to be the worst Bond movie. You are out of control. I tried. You have to believe me. I sat there with an open mind, watched it with my buddy James, and I don't know why.

Maybe we can get to the heart of what's wrong with me. I don't know. This is earth-shattering news to me. It can't be well, because we've already done. I really thought you were finally coming around. Yeah. I also, I know it's silly, but when you said you watched it with your buddy James, my mind filled in James Bond. You just watched it with him.

Don't let him call it. See, no, he's like, he lost a lover in this one. Of course he doesn't like it. Honestly, this was my worst film. I hated the experience. And I, you know, I feel like if I were to, if I were to take it scene by scene and we were to walk through this film, I would be hard pressed to hear, like, to figure out what your problems are with each scene individually. Yeah, well, we'll probably have to do something like that. Let's just, I guess, let's talk about it generally because, part of it may just be like I'm 10 years older than you

I'm maybe 10 or more than you huh I mean how old are you I'm 29 29 okay so I got a few years on you in the same way that I love my Roger Moore and that the Connery people who grew up with Connery can't understand that it may just be that kind of thing because

I don't know like I it's in a post Austin Powers world the way this film starts with a subtitle that says terrorist arms bizarre seems like a parody to me. Especially when they go right into the exposition of the guy at MI6 going, it's like a terrorist garage sale or whatever it is. I don't know.

It wants it too much of its cake and too much of its eating. Also, that scene, I feel like he goes into a list of all the different armaments and kinds of armaments. He's really trying to blow out how much it is. And then there's a beat and then he keeps going in a way that's very funny to me. Now. When I was a kid, I was like, I'm strapped in even more. Great. I know countries. I mean, now it's like too much. As a grown adult and a professional writer, I just thought, this is the bees knees. With all that exposition? Way to set up how many weapons are there and how dangerous a situation this could be.

You're starting a film with five minutes of spoken exposition. I got to say, I think this is a great cold open as we discussed last week on the cold opens episode. Alex, you haven't heard it yet. It's coming out. but I just I have almost no problems with everything happening here from the get-go he's using a gadget in the very beginning it's a lighter that's also a bomb I mean we'll go beat by beat

but I'm just I'm really curious about what this is exactly was his brown leather jacket no I love that in fact I have that as a note I think his costume in an opening scene fantastic he looks like a G.I. Joe looks like a stuff

stylish, 80s, British. Yeah. Dashing. Especially the reveal of him after he does the fake out with the guy

where you're just seeing his face in the jacket. Looks good. Yeah. I'm also wondering, too, and this is nothing new on this podcast, I do think the biggest problem

with this is if it is a generational thing where I can accept Roger Moore because there's a certain amount of nostalgia, I still think there is a big difference in that Roger Moore handled the tone of his movie who was more decidedly comedic,

and Brawesne then goes back and forth, and the biggest, like, indicator of that is the scene with Vincent Sheavelli when he tries to kill, he's already killed Paris Carver. Yeah, but Vincent is like delivering a performance that does not belong in that movie. He's great, though, but what's weird is like this woman that Bond ostensibly really loved is lying dead. And then he's doing a cartoon comedic scene. And then it ends with Bond shooting him in the face, point blank range. And that to me is the sums up the problem with these Brosnan movies. They're pure melodrama, and it just, I don't know.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, guys, I wanted to like it. And I still love it. Don't get me wrong. That's the crazy thing, but. So confused. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah.

Go ahead. Because also I, I feel like, wait, sorry. We've all got our notes. Like, and we're looking at them as if we're in like a diplomatic meeting of these are our, yeah that was what I was going to say I feel like this movie is relatively light on the emotional beats and the dramatic beats too as far as bomb movies go this one almost feels like a

just a straight up action movie I know they spend time on the romance and on who cares about who but I come away from it just remembering the massive amounts of people he kills and the huge straight up battles at the beginning and end yeah yeah that's true I honestly I was enjoying that for what it was I was enjoying the Bond being outgunned I mean there is this is the movie where Bond in order to stop the bad guys gets in a plane armed with nuclear missiles and at the end of the movie when he's fighting inside the boat he grabs missiles yeah it starts firing them at people it is such a 90s action movie Let me throw out, James pointed out, who's also the guest for last week's episode, James Bladen.

One of the most glaring inconsistencies I've ever seen in a Bond movie, and I never noticed this before. The whole crux of the problem in the opening scene is that this missile is launched, right? At Bond. Yes. And they go, it's out of range. We can't get it back. Yeah. But the video feed from the missile is still projecting to the MI6 headquarters, and they're watching the point of view,

camera of the missile come in on that arm's bizarre so they can get video feed from it but they can't control it back yeah yeah i know you got to let go of those things but i did think that was pretty funny all right listen if i'm competing with logic i'm never going to win are you are you trying to say this movie isn't 100% technologically accurate no i apologize and right on the pulse about the internet i love how the fucking media guy does not see the internet coming at all like carver is just print magazines i will 24 hour presses I'm going to get so much cable television. Yeah.

Like he does not see the internet coming. He was my other main issue. I might as well get these out up from how great he was. He, to me, is awful on this movie. What about when he's making fun of Michelle Yo? Oh, geez. You know he threw that in. That was an on-set find.

And I know he's going for big. It's obvious. And I appreciate that. I like that. but especially coming on the heels of our last movie we talked about was view to a kill and you've got Waukin's performance. I don't know. Yeah. I'm very, okay.

So the arms bizarre, cold open excitement-wise, you found it to be just not great. When we talked about it in the cold opening, I was doing most of it from my memory. And so watching it this time, yeah, I find it to be. It's another thing. It's like, God, nuclear weapons, I don't know. Is there something? You also get a lot of Brosnan hurt acting in this open thing when he's being choked from behind in the plane. Well, I mean, you act like you're getting choked from behind.

Let's see it. Right now? Yeah. Okay, I'm going to do my brasen in a version. No, I want. You look very hurt, and I'm believing you. He's nailing it. You're doing a great job.

I mean, I'm going to give you an Oscar. Fuck it. You got, you're getting them all. Like, this is tough episode because I know this is the episode. because I know this is the episode where I get all the hate mail because there's not many people mail in and go, you're so right. Most people go, you're ruining my generation's bond

and I get a lot of, I get a lot of heat for this. If I've been able to embrace View to a Kill, which was before my time. That means it's a good film. I'm sure it doesn't just mean I'm a better person. It might. Like if that's on the table, probably. Okay, so, I mean, do you,

what did you like? not like that M was watching? No, I like that. She's great. She's great in it. I do think the acting overall is not great in this film, except for Judy Dens and Samantha Bond. Really? Wow.

Yeah. Maybe Terry Hatcher's pretty good. No? I mean, if you're going to rank them, I don't know that she's near the top. No, I know. Well, I think it's that action movie thing where they don't give any of them enough to do, especially re-watching Tomorrow Never Dies now. having seen Spector, which I don't love.

Yeah. But they give everybody on the team a lot to do in that one. And Judy Dench is mostly just looking at monitors some of the time in this movie. And now I think, oh, she should have things to do. Well, she should in the sense of what the Bond movies have become, which is Scooby Gang. This is before they really involved all those. Yeah, this was more of the time of like M's there at the beginning. and maybe again in the second act.

It's the next movie. They first start that off when she gets kidnapped. Yeah. But that being said, I really, you know, I feel like Golden Eye, you're watching Brosnan sort of inhabit the role for the first time. So you kind of can't really grade him there. And I feel like the world is not enough. But I think he does a great job in that one.

He does. I mean, I'm not grading him, but sure. I am. B plus. You know, the world is not enough. I feel like Brosnan's Bond and the world

is not enough is very much Goldfinger Bond in the sense that he's not ahead of the plan at all he's never

he's always on his heels in that movie and he goes rogue you know he goes rogue again and die another day so I find this tomorrow never dies

to be this sweet spot of Bond of Brosnan's Bond where he's James Bond the entire time yeah and that's true that means he is

In the cold open, he's James Bond. After you see what the fuck the plan is, he's got his ass in Martin parked outside Oxford, and he's fucking a professor. Like, that's very James Bond to me. A lot of, you know, you know, Sorkin has his walk and talk. Yeah. James Bond has his driving, driving mission. Drive and jive. Drive and jive.

Yeah. So you get that. He's, you know, and it's a real, for me, it's a real mission. I agree. It's wasted on this Bat shit crazy mission Well No

To Thank you Alex No go ahead And none of this is meant to say that I'm right It's meant to say like You know Convince me I want to like this movie more than I do

Yeah I feel like I need like a presentation You might Yeah Just open your PowerPoints Listening at home Yeah The guy's creating events

For a newspaper Yeah That somehow seems impotent in terms of bond stakes to me. I don't know why. But it's not for a newspaper. No, but this is a bond movie.

Not spotlight. No, no, what I'm saying, though, but it's not, his plan is not, that's his surface plan. Yeah. You know, like Goldfinger's surface plan is to nuke the gold. I know, this is to get his paper in China. Yeah, the ultimate plan is to...

Get his newspaper in China. No, get exclusive broadcast right in China. Which could be worth goillions of dollars. I understand, but... It's no less crazy than let's nuke this gold, so my gold's worth more. It is a little bit...

I don't know, there's something... There's just something lower stakes about a cable network. Look it, look at... The success of a cable network in China. Lower stakes to you, perhaps, but he's recognizing a burgeoning market. Yeah, uh-huh. Listen, I own a cable network in China,

and it makes me hand over fist cash. Well, that's why you see, you've got one in the tank for this movie, then. He understands the plan. I, you know, at first, when I was watching the movie, I was just like, oh, his plan is not great. But then when he elaborates on it and it involves a coup in Chinese government and him getting exclusive broadcast rights in China, which would be worth billions of dollars, I'm like, oh, okay, you have more up your sense. sleeve than getting the paper out with the news first. Yeah. Well, as far as this movie, when you compare it to Die Another Day, I think this one's

way way in terms of the villain scheme in a fun way. Even especially now, I feel like his scheme is both ahead of its time in terms of that idea of, oh, a media mogul being the true villain, and also wildly behind its time in a way that's very fun to me. Yeah. As soon as, because he's using the internet to do his journalism and do. his empire, but as soon as the internet exists, you don't need to manipulate actual world events to make up fake news. You can just do that. He's not aware you can just hire a couple scummy people.

You don't need to blow up boats or anything. His use of the internet, and by that, I mean, his physical use of his keyboard and his typing is insane. That's great. When he types at the end, he's doing that Stephen Colbert, like just limp finger hammering against the surface that is incredible. Yeah. It's a great use of Bluetooth keyboards. Yeah.

It's also, it's, for Bluetooth. Yeah. It's my favorite silly version of an evil writer, where especially early on

when he's typing about the murder of the sailors and he's like, sailors killed and then you see him and then it cuts back and it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Murdered. Yeah, as if that's a row of question marks. Well, I got to say, I thought, wow, that is a better headline. Yeah.

That is a more attention grabby headline. Do you, does he write? all of that articles, by the way, the question marks were just for the number of... Exactly. You know, he had to wait for. He had to get.

Oh, yeah. I suppose. You think Stamper's a bad actor? Oh, awful. And he's a... I mean, some of this stuff we're definitely going to be repeating from the last time we talked about it, but he's a poor man's necrose, who's a poor man's, whoever the guy was in four years only, who's a poor man's, you only live twice guy, who's a poor man's

red grant. it's five levels in and it's like the um the clones of Ripley and Alien 4 they get yeah those get better these get more and more diluted

oh it's multiplicity that's what it is yeah or house of Cosby's or whatever House of Red Grants where they're all just feeling no pain together now that I'm talking I would be into

uh yeah this guy did you did we talk about this last time I think I have a gloft, which is a goarly's lookout for this. Let's hear it. Stamper has two different colored eyes. Whoa. Really?

Yeah. A little Milakun is happening there? Yeah. And I think it's like a makeup thing. I don't think the actor really does. But there's only one shot you can really see it in. And David Bowie had that. What is that condition called?

There's a very funny. Heterochromia. Heterochromia. So Stamper's a heterochromic. There's a very funny discussion of his casting. and Barbara Broccoli's He's going down to the book He's going down to the James Bond Toshan archives

You'll remember this in the Goldfinger episode You can buy it through our Amazon link Just kidding We don't have one Oh man I have never seen this book before It is a Bible and I want one Yeah it's...

Oh, it's the best value for money I think they're honestly I think they might be $40 now No, are you kidding? No I'm not kidding Oh that's a steal Because it was like 250 when they came out or something We bought them when they came out

Well, I didn't buy it. I was a gift. I bought two. Just pure raw materials that should cost more than 40 bucks. I agree. The only reason I haven't read that is because it's so heavy. Yeah. Like, I can't lift it.

It's a genuine, like, real coffee table book because it requires a coffee table. No, because it is a coffee table. So I'm in the Tomorrow Never Dies section. I remember I was looking at it last night. I like to, when I'm watching these movies for the podcast, I like to pop these open and see if I can glean any things. thing. Instead of writing it down on my phone and bringing it in that way, I like to awkwardly hold this book and read. Because there's no other way to hold that book.

Okay. So, German actor, Gots Otto. Gots? How do you spell that? Well, isn't it, it, it's an O-T-Z, there's an umlott. Yeah. Oh, Go-U-U-U-Lat. T-Z. Goetz. Goetz. Goetz, Otto. Goods. Something like that. German actor Goetz Otto tried for the role of Stomper. Carver's murderous head of security.

And then here's Goetz Otto's... What he says. His take on it? His hot take. Casting director, Debbie McWilliams, brought me into Barbara's office, and she was on the phone. Debbie whispered in her ear, this is Gott's Otto from Germany. So Barbara said to the person on the line, sorry, I've got a very good looking German guy here right now and I thought, I'm in.

Oh, geez. Oh, Barbara. Oh, boy. I'm going to Google this guy and see if he really is a heterochromiac or whatever. Yeah. Lin-Lin-Say Po, Pau, rather, was renamed Wei Lin. Michelle Yo, an established and highly popular star of Hong Kong action cinema was cast as Chinese spy Wei Lin.

They wanted a woman of the 90s who was as tough as bond and as intelligent as him. I think the part was perfect for me, Michelle says. First of all, let me just say, now this guy, I think he's off-putting a little bit

in the movie physically. Now he looks great. Let me take a gander. Spin that right round. Oh. Because he, obviously that was dyed hair. He kind of just has sandy, dark, blonde hair.

But he's all blue-eyed in real life. He's Keanu Reevesing. Sure. Getting marginally younger as time goes on. Keanu Reevesing. That's another spinoff from this podcast. So we first see the British... Which frigate is it?

The Davenshire? The Davenshire. Is this pre-cold opening? I mean, pre-titles? Oh, this is immediately post-title. Let's talk about the titles, if you know. I liked some of the imagery in the titles. The song, as you know, is a hit.

It's a great song. Mr. Crowe. Not to put that Katie Ling song up front. I mean, that right there, biggest signifier of what you're in for this movie. Had some opportunities, didn't take them. How do you feel about all the 3D? I like that. I mean, the x-ray rather.

I like that. I like seeing how the gun mechanics work. I learned a lot from this cold open. Yeah. It's also, in terms of internet-datedness, the thing of look at these circuits and this binary code. I love it. I'm super on board for dated internet.

It's my favorite thing. Yeah, I mean, it's as close to lawnmower man as we get. And we all know we're always in whatever we do, trying to get as close to lawnmower man as possible. Pierce Brousen's staple. That's true. Get Jeff Fahey in a Bond film. What are we waiting for?

Okay. So I, I, I, we know, we know the plan. What did you think of the plan? plan, well, what did you think rather of the action of the Devonshire and the Chinese migs? I like this. I like it's, I think it's a good way to start a film in that they've set off their navigating computer just enough to confuse the Chinese.

That great. I'm in like, yeah. Right now I'm watching this movie going to be a pretty decent cold open. Could have been a better song. I wonder if there'll be a better one at the ending. And hey, this is a great way to kick off the plot. Also, you got in the titles, you got a stunt guy, stunt supervisor named Dickie Beer. So, you know, like right now, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to enjoy my evening if I'm a first time watcher.

What did you think we have not talked about it? I don't think we somehow didn't even mention it in the first one, but the way Bond gets dispenses with the fellow behind him in the plane. By ejecting him into the plane above. Yeah, that's fine. It's good. I mean, it does feel like it would have taken his head with him, like, because that guy would have realized he's ejecting and grabbed on for dear life to that Garrett or whatever it was around Bond's neck and it would have just decapitated Bond. Yeah. Well, also, I remember even now that as a kid, that whole cold open blew my mind twice in terms of vehicular stuff you can do.

One of them is that ejector seat thing where you can fire someone's ejector seat and other thing as a weapon. And then the other was using a plane like a tank and shooting. missiles and guns and rockets and people on the ground. Yeah. It was like, oh, this is a whole new paradigm for planes. Yeah, I really like that. The soft floor of a mig that you can just eject a pilot through that he comes up fully intact. Well, you know, he's right there.

And the speed with which you're coming out of an ejector seat, especially in the first, you know, 20, 30 meters, is to get you away from the plane that's exploding. Uh-huh. So I find that completely viable and probably screen accurate. Okay. Yeah. For the bottoms of migs, it's all shag carpeting. Yeah.

It's very comfortable. You don't want to... It allows for that. You want a nice soft belly on your fighter plane. Yeah, I think. Okay, so cold open, I'm fine with... I didn't love the guy, the steering of the torpedo. I guess it's the cutter, right?

I'm not sure. Like the seed rail or whatever it is? I was like, that seems silly. Yeah. We've mentioned this before, but it is a gloft, and that's to look out for young Gerard Butler. Oh, yeah? He's in the Devonshire.

He's like, he's up front. He's so young, it's hard to recognize. Every three or four years when we do this movie. Oh, let me give you a whole rundown of who's in this movie. It's crazy. I had a pair of things like that, but you might have them. Is it Hugh Bonneville from Downton Abbey and Julian Fellows from Downton Abbey? Exactly.

And Samantha Bond from Downton Abbey. I have to say, this movie might be the stiffest competition for most British. of any of the James Bond movies. It's also the heaviest crossover with Last Crusade, Indiana Jones in the Last Crusade. Okay, go ahead. All right. You got the, is he an admiral who's running the British ship at the end? Because we just had...

Yes. You've got... Actually, I just meant James Bond in general. Because you've got that guy. Walter Donovan is Christatos. Allison Dutie is in view to a kill. of course, Connery, and John Rees-Davies is Sala, and he's Pushkin in Living Daylights. A lot of Las Crusade actors.

Oh, sure. I'm not sure. I think it did. Yeah, I don't know. I'm going to say it did. This is the shortest turnaround for a James Bond movie they've ever had. What, like two years, a year and a half or something? Yeah, like to get the script done.

Oh, no, because they would do them yearly in the beginning. Well, maybe it's just in Michael Wilson's tenure. Oh, yeah. There was a release date and everyone had agreed, so we had a deadline, the tightest ever. We had never been under so much pressure. We've done so many now that it's harder to come up with ideas. No kidding. But writers need to realize that you start with a strong villain and a caper and everything else follows.

Sometimes. First you get the villain, then you get the caper, then you get that third thing from Scarface. Was this Purvis and Wade? No, it was Bruce Firestein. The Broadway actor from Miss Delfire? No, no, you're thinking of Harvey. I would have preferred it. Rude.

This is a great movie. I don't know why you would prefer Harvey Firestein, right? However, I'm not against that movie. No, I would love it. But James the point. So far along those lines, this is the first time I've watched it, knowing who Julian Fellows is exactly and what it looks like. And it is incredibly British for the Minister of Defense to be the

Downton Abbey guy. I know. I mean, does he take the most British award for this film? Are we even going to... Julian Fellows. Or is it Admiral Hargrove or whatever his name is Cheeks. You know, Admiral Carlos is very close, but the prime minister guy. Yeah.

Is that Julian Fellow? Well, he... The minister... Yeah. Minister of defense. Yeah. Because it's him and Jeffrey Palmer were from Judy Denchall. I'll argue.

Lossingly need. That I settle. Loss the last thing we need. Yeah. You can hear his teeth. Like, he's 100% the most British person that's ever spoken in a James Bond. Then I think we're in agreement. Like, I cannot wait for the day that we sit down and do the sweet 16 bracket of most British people.

We should. In fact, we should also go back and see. It'll be great for a live one. Yeah. Who we named in the prior recordings of these. I'm sure we picked him last time. Had to have. Had to have.

Yeah. Second place, I guess, for this movie of most. British, the runner up for most British. For me, I think it's got to be, it's got to be the captain of the boat at the end. Oh, yeah, who's finally working with the Chinese and figuring it out, the baldish guy? Yeah. Yeah. That's the Las Crusade guy? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Super British. Yeah, but see, now that's hard for me because he always plays Nazis, so it's hard for me to not see him as a Nazi. Not see him as a Nazi. Roger, the director Spotus Woe Because I was going to say

In terms of rankings of Britishness I googled him I don't think he's actually British But one of the most British things in the movie Is the title directed by Rogers Spotius Wood Yes It's incredibly British to him

Is he an OBE though? I think he's Canadian So he's like Britishish You know There's queens on their money Yeah Shit's cool

I do think the direction Is what's responsible for the missteps and tone of this movie. You know what's interesting? What? I was like, this guy, this is a great movie. He must have made some fantastic movies after this. And I was like, oh, oh, no.

Yeah. And that was actually the only thing so far that has made me question my love of this movie was his career following Tomorrow Never Dies. Yeah. I think he did the sixth day. He did. And then after that, nothing great. Turner and Hooch.

That's before this. Air America. I don't know that. Well, after this, yeah, he, um, oof, anything, let me just run some of these titles by you and see if it rings a bell. The Matthew Shepard story, TV movie, okay, I've heard of that. That I've heard of, yeah.

Icebound. Nope. Spinning Boris. Nope. Ripley Underground. Nope. Shake hands with the devil. Maybe I read that.

The children of Huang Shi. Nope. The touch of a kiss. And that's just a short. Two documentaries. forgiveness and justice, beyond right and wrong, stories of justice and forgiveness. The Journey Home and a street cat named Bob. Now, a street cat named Bob, probably underrated.

Yeah. Did this guy do something wrong or something? I don't know. I found that odd. Yeah. Yeah, just roughly looking at IMDB, it seemed like this movie plus sixth day somehow put him in a spin. Yeah, it might have. Yeah.

Here's some interesting stuff for Matt Gourley. That's me. Might help him with his... Yeah. Okay. Rather, I mean, it might help your case more than my case. Okay. Here we go.

Danny Graydon says, Martin Campbell, the director for Golden I, did not want to return to the series for a second consecutive film. Michael G. Wilson then says, We try to find good, solid directors. We want someone who's not looking to make Bond quirky. Just looking to make it. solid. We have a big audience out there.

They expect a certain product. Danny Craden says, Roger Spoot's Wood, spotus wood, rather, who had been Sam Peckinpaw's editor prior to pursuing a directing career, was hired in September of 1996.

Wow. The studio didn't want to make the August 23rd script because the film would have to open May, 1997 to have any topical value. The whole concept had to be radically altered. The media mogul stayed in the story, but that was all. Now, I think what they're referring to is the May 1997 thing is the British

handing, transitioning Hong Kong back to the power under China. Oh, yeah. I think that that's what this movie was going to be about. See, that would have been interesting to me. Right, they didn't have time. That could have been a really good movie. Yeah, that would have been great. Wait, what's your least favorite, Thunderball?

Yeah. And Alex, what's your least favorite on film if you know? Oh, I want to say license to kill. Hmm. Yeah. I get that. Yeah, I do too. I get that.

Look, I get both of yours. Why can't you get mine? I'm really trying, man. Yeah. Like, as much as you pretended to try to like or see this movie differently, I am actually pretending to try to see where you're coming. I appreciate that. Also, I should say, I feel like no Bond actor has done a bad job of it,

and I like Living Daylights. I just not license to kill. Yeah. Yeah, living thing. In case Timothy Dalton's listening and I'm pretty good feelings. He's in the other room. We go to close circuit feed. You watched the movie with James Bond and Timothy Dalton.

I did. I see I like Golden Eye. And it's a similar thing. I think like I think this does probably the same amount of drop off license to kill us for living daylights for you. That's what this does. Yeah. The best license to kill thing is Benicio Deltore's line readings. Otherwise, it's fine.

Honeymoon. I couldn't stop saying that on my honeymoon. My wife almost left me on our honeymoon. We just move over the four feet that takes to lay out this book. We're all under it like a canopy. If you'll allow me a couple of other criticisms. Just hand this out at homeless shelters in L.A. and it'll solve the problem.

They can live in it. I don't love the production design of this film. Everything looks like a prop. Again, I think you're not putting yourself into the time of 1997. No, I think I am and that may be the problem. What were the highest grossing movies of 1997 besides Titanic? I'm going to find out. Yeah.

Well, Independence Day probably. No. Oh, I mean. Oh, sorry, the 90s in general. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So, okay. Here's what's going on in 199.

97. Titanic. Lost World Jurassic Park. Men in black. Tomorrow never dies. Is this the order? This is the order. Air Force One, as good as it gets. Lyer, liar, liar, and my best friend's wedding. I don't know what to say. Me either. I just wanted to like... I'd put this above Lost World for sure. What year did true lies come out? earlier, I think. Yeah, 94, 94 years. I want to say that, yeah. Let's look at 96.

96, you have the Rock, Mission Impossible, Twister and Independence Day. Yeah. This is not really swaying anybody's opinion here. What's your point exactly? My point is, look at the other shit that was coming out then. Yeah, I know by comparison, I still would take this movie, but I think it was also not a terribly great time for film.

Because as a broad thing, I feel like I also don't totally know how much I like this movie yet because we're still figuring out exactly what the 90s mean in film. Yeah, that's true. Like Matt Meyer, when you were talking about casting Michelle Yeo and they said, they want a woman of the 90s. Like, in the 90s, that meant one thing. And now when I hear that, I was like, oh, they want something dated? You know, it's a weird.

It's a weird. I'm still figuring out exactly what that decade means. to me. I would say twice a season in Golden Girls, Blanche says, this is the 1980s. And then you're just like, well, what does that mean? This is also this decade of, part of this is not this movie's fault. It's that I was in my early 20s, mid-20s, and that's when a young man is the most, like, gives the most scrutiny to film and thinks they know the most. So like, this already had a strike against it from annoying young Matt Goreley. Yeah, but as a grown-ass man,

Man. I can still objectively say that this one does not survive in the scrutiny. This is unbelievable to me. I really don't know how to feel about this. It's breaking my heart. Can I, I don't remember. How do you feel about World is not enough? Because I feel like these are relatively comparable movies.

I still don't think it's great, but I like it better than this one. And my argument for that has always been because I feel like this one is, I don't, there's never a moment where I go like, this feels new or exciting. Like, it just feels so. derivative? One level derivative and a lot of Bond films are but also the thing that always

kills me about this one is the level of melodrama and you even see it in the direction choices like they do a couple moments of slow mo in here and it's post-production slow-mo. Yeah, post-lomo

that looks very choppy especially most noticeably when Michelle Yo is firing off the last two bullets she has. Yeah, and does a hair toss and it feels like, oh that's very glaring. The scene between Paris and Bond

is straight out of a soap opera, the music, everything. And I love David Arnold. I 100% agree. And it just, it's asking you to really invest emotionally in something that this movie then immediately jerks you out of. And I don't know. I think that they were trying to do something with the character of Paris. And I don't, I think they were unsuccessful. And I think part of the reason they were unsuccessful is because of how little screen time was given to Terry Hatcher. And I, you know, I, you know, I admire them for trying to do that. Me too.

In a Bond series where we hadn't had a real emotional connection with a female since Tracy, really. I mean, so I admire them for doing that, pulling someone from Bond's past that we don't know about. I find myself in those scenes wanting, like, that's when I get into the movie. And then I think it nosedives those scenes too much. But I have found those parts like, oh, I'm into this. Go this way. Go this way. It doesn't pay off or something.

I don't know. Well, and also, and with Paris, I think they're trying to do a Casablanca reference overall, because the name and then also, it had to be you, I think, on the piano when you first see you. And that feels not earned. I don't think they pulled it off. Stolen. Wow, I didn't even put that together. I'm glad I'm convincing.

Stop it, Alex. I'm glad you guys are coming around on my side. No one said that. So solidly. Okay. Well, all right. So we talked about the, we're seeing the Devonshire go down. down and in the next scene we see a title that says Oxford and we see a DB5 parked out

front. Nice. What do you think about that, Matt Gordley? Great. Love it. In fact, I do have some nice things to say. One thing that I really like about this movie and let's use our brains here and think, have they ever done this in a Bond film before.

This is good. A distinct timeline. You have 48 hours. How much of that, I guess. Does Moon Raker have an element of that, I think, maybe? It's always something to do. Moon Rager has a launch.

But this, when you're starting the film off with, you've got 48 hours to get your man to do this or else we're taking this other... I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you.

Your teeth were weird. Yeah. And that's one of the good ways I think it's like a straight up action movie. It's a very... From there, it's a very clear. There's a nuke. You have this time.

Let's go. And it's almost all happening in real time. Like we're seeing that, you know, Bond's crazy weekend unfold. Well, they're also... They're also at old MI6 here. Yeah.

They're not in the new SIS building. Yeah. Piersbrousin's wearing a three-piece Navy suit and driving an Austin Martin DB5. Yeah. I'm always on board for that combination. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

Okay. Great. Okay. Here's a gloft. Oh. I'm using my own gloft. Wait. You're a Mloft.

Here's a MLOFT. Here's a Myra's lookout for this. Yeah. Robinson in the Rolls Royce as they're careening through town looks like he spilled a bit of drink on his suit. Oh. But they did not cut out. They left him in that suit for the reaction.

Is Robinson the black guy? Yeah. Okay. I always think he's Tanner and we always have this conversation where you correct me. Yeah, he's not Tanner. With him, I think of him as the actor's name Colin Salmon, just because I love that name. Salmon? His name is Colin Salmon, like the fish.

Really? Yeah. Wow. And I think I read once that he was at some point in line to be Bond in some kind of casting process, but it never turned out. That's right. We may be talking about that. We did, I think. And I still say I think he would have been a great.

Yeah, especially in this movie. All right, man. We don't need everything you're thinking. Another thing about that Bond parisine, especially the first one, is it has a lot of echoes of the Indian and Marion meeting in Raiders of the Lost Dark. She slaps him right off the bat and, like, you had a lot of nerve leaving me and that kind of thing. So it reminds me of that. And that scene is so good that it's another like pales in comparison. And that even feels like it has some Casablanca riffs going on in it too.

So, yeah, this movie's just a clone of a clone of a clone. Okay. So we have in this film one of the great, for me, I think, it's one of the great bond vehicles. the BMW 750 IL, which I always think of as... It's fantastic. I always think of as the most practical James Bond vehicle it's ever been built.

No, this is a... Matthew! This is a middle manager's car who lives in a... No, it's upper management. Those cars were $120,000 new. No, what I'm saying is like a working class man who doesn't buy his wife any gifts and use all the money to buy himself a nice car

because he's like a Willie Loman salesman. I'm buying one, though. I got to project this. it looks like a just a family sedan. That's the beauty of it. It's got so many missiles. He sends me a text last night that ones for sale for $3,000, and I pointed out that the prop phone that controls that is on sale for about $3,000.

That's at an auction. This I can walk. I can go to Palm Desert. You want to drive me out there and pick this thing up for $3,000. Yeah. Same color. Let's do it. Same color.

Let's just record it. I asked my wife. literally asked my wife, I was like, hey, could I just, could I buy this BMW? She's like, we have two cars. I was like, I know. You're saying your wife is a sane person. Yeah, she's absolutely 100% the sane portion of the relationship. She's like, no. I was like, but I've wanted this since I was 14. And she's like, do you have any things you've wanted since you were 14 that I keep having to put up with? I know. I've seen your room of guitars. I'm certain they're hanging on walls, but you can't see the walls.

He says, in a room with a stormtrooper blaster behind him, and a wall of guitars on his right. Four guitars, one stormtrooper blaster. That's three guitars and a banjo technically. Yeah, that's true. So that's even, yeah, at least there's some diversity in there. Wow. Listen. Let's talk about the size of Q's hands.

Yeah, I was wondering. I tried to look. I was looking for this. Now, the medium, the baseline for all of these is golden. Just because it's the first film we did. But this one is a special qualification. Because this is post-Goldeneye, and theoretically you'd think maybe they're getting a little bigger, because I don't know if he's swelling with age.

But I'm actually putting this GoldenEye minus one because the size of his red jacket is so huge that actually diminishes the size of his hands. So I think just smart dressing. Do you think they purposely put him in a giant jacket? It is giant and red, and it takes your eyes off the hands, because his hands are giant and red. but this jacket is bigger and redder. The Avis jacket. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, off of Avis, there's two instances of product placement that really, really jump out to me in this movie. One of them is Avis, and I find it very integrated. It really works for me. Because, like, oh, good rationale for sneaking the car into Germany. The reasonably funny joke of landing it in avis office when he's done with it. Yeah. You get to have the cartoony jacket and everything very fun.

The other one is Smyranov. Yeah. And it is nonsense. to me the whole scene involving because he's done all of this whole operation his life's definitely in danger and then he's just sitting in his hotel room halfway through an entire bottle of Smyrnaf

when he could be killed at any moment I know he's an alcoholic and everything the man likes to drink and you know I it's for me I enjoyed that because it very much felt like to Dr. No where he's literally sitting down in his hotel room with a bottle of Smyranoff

drinking it straight Oh yeah Actually I haven't thought but that's true It is a parallel there It's okay Yeah Because we're lovers Not experts here

Yeah This movie is Product Placement heavy And it did occur to me All along Have we been missing a product placement That's been in almost every film Which would be

Walther PPP What if that's not a story element That Walther came to them and went That gun Probably has only sold as much Because of James Bond That's probably true yeah But I

Just for a moment I would like to talk a little bit more about this car. Okay, that's a perfect time for me to go pee. But I want to find out why you don't like the car. I'll be right back. Oh, you're actually going. I see. This is unbelievable.

Alex. Oh, we keep going. Yeah, we're going to keep going. We're ignoring him going to the bathroom, missing out on quite possibly the greatest bond car that isn't an Aston Martin. Finally, we can just live in the glow of this movie. That's so good. So they had, you know, in Golden On,

Yeah. They had the BMW Z-3. Right. And it had missiles and all that stuff in it, but they didn't have time. They got a prototype from BMW, so they had no time to build out the car. Yeah. So they went overboard on this one. And they were like, well, let's build out the car.

For sure. So listen, you're seeing everything deployed. Tear gas, you're seeing a little spiky stuff. The little spiky things coming out of the bumper. Classic. You're seeing a security. security system that I love. I like the female voice in there. That's like his foil as he has the car. You see a phone that can drive the car, which was awesome to me as a 14-year-old. But also you're seeing what is, I believe we talked about this last time, but just to bring it up one more time, the saw that comes out of the BMW badge at the front of the car is quite possibly the most convenient thing ever.

placed on a vehicle. 100%. And also the most, I would say, the only thing for me that keeps this scene from being perfect is the saw that comes out of the BMW's hood. Yeah, that's ridiculous. Can I just interject really quickly? And speaking of Walther product placement, for now on, since there's usually a point in these long podcasts where one of us has to go pee, it is now the Walther P.P.K.

Moment. Continue. Well, can I also say, I like the idea that the Walther is product place. in that what if like if they didn't get that sponsorship they were going to do a totally different main weapon for him like he was going to be a sword guy or something and then walther rolled in and they were like well we got a deal yeah the uh the do you what do you think of the car's remote control feature it's fine it just feels it feels it feels like i wouldn't i would question it less than a roger more movie you know I'm way into that whole aspect of I think the first thing I remember from this movie is remote controlling his own car from the backseat

Really which is also like I feel like you're getting a lot of very charming Pierce Brosnan in that Yeah it's it's a good sequence it goes on a little long It does go on very long yeah and that saw blade thing's ridiculous The sawblade thing is so silly Like it has no reason to exist The other silly thing in it is the fact that you One of those roll up metal doors in a parking garage

two missiles fired at it and it's still there. That seemed a little bit like. Yeah. Because that was the hotel parking lot, not like the Carver Media parking lot. So, I don't see why the hotel's steel gate would be so much more powerful than a regular steel gate. German engineering and craftsmanship, man. I also like the fact that he's driving a BMW and he's in Germany. Yeah, sure.

Yeah, I like this sequence. It's a way to be incognito. No one's going to give a second look to a BMW 7-5. 50 in Germany. That's true. You see an Aston Martin rolling on the street, you're like, what's going on there? He should drive every country's main car when it goes to every country. Oh, I'd like that?

Yeah. Sure. What would he do out here? A Mustang or an F-150? Well, he did a Mustang, yeah. Yeah, he did. Now he'd do a Prius. Or no, that's Japan, I guess, but it's just in like a yellow hammer or something.

Mostly assembled here in North Carolina. That would be awful. So, yeah, I was looking up in 1998. BMW 750 IL on the internet last night trying to find one for sale to see just how much these things go for right now. I found a pretty reasonable, reasonably priced one for $3,000 with 96,000 miles on it. Do you think that thing runs okay? Like BMWs are not notoriously long-lived cars. But it would be a situation where I'd go down there, have a mechanic look at it, and then drive it to my divorce proceedings.

Because my wife would be so mad at me if I just showed up with a giant 20-year-old sedan. However, I will say that is probably the car most driven to in a divorce procedure. It is a ridiculous thing. And I honestly, I'm like, this is like a nice guitar costs the same amount of money. I'm surprised it's only $3,000. I was too. That just goes to show you. Like, you couldn't get an Aston Martin for that.

Exactly. That's why this should never have been a bond car. Well, I think that's why it's the attainable bond car. That's what this movie is, the attainable bond movie. The WZ3. I don't want attainable in my bond. The Z8 is still very expensive from the world is not enough. The Z8, because they didn't make, they made like 800 of them.

Looks like a sneaker. It does look like a sneaker. A roller skate. The, going back, like, I thought, oh, you only live twice car I could get. That'd probably be pretty cheap. It's a Toyota. But it's like a Toyota that they had to make a convertible because Connery was so tall. Oh, that's right. Yeah. And that car, if you want to find it, even a coup version, it's like $180,000 now. Yeah. I'm with Bladen on those later era, Aston Martins, the Vanquish and both the Honor Majesty Secret Service and the Living Daylights ones.

I love those, too. Yeah. Those are goodies. I agree. Plus, the Living Daylights one had skis, so you really can't fault that car. Yeah. And I, are you both car guys? Because as a bond viewer, well, in general, I'm not much of a car guy. So when I'm a bond viewer, I'm very focused on kind of just the gadgets and just the uses of them specifically. Like, it sort of washes over me what model. I'm kind of a car guy.

In fact, I don't even know which of the two I just mentioned is the vanquish. It's the, it's the, well, the vanquish is driven and die another day. See? I think it's a vantage. Vantage. That's what I meant. Maybe there's not even a vanquish. I don't know.

See, you should get a vanquish because it's invisible. I have one. I've got three outside. I don't see it. I don't see it. I don't see it. Okay. He's going.

Here's another thing about Brosnan, whom I love is a man. When he's getting beat by those security guards at the Carver banquet. Yeah. Yeah. there is a stunt double for some of what looks like the most rudimentary physical fight work that no other bond would have dared step out of. And it just maybe, and maybe that's not his call,

maybe who knows, insurance or whatever. But it seems really weird to have an obvious stunt double in just a fist fight on level ground. I think that was the case. I think it was the time constraint and it was second unit. Yeah, maybe. Oh.

But even so. Yeah, maybe. Still. That also, those guys felt very, very personality lessen wrote. The guy's beating him up there.

I really wanted some kind of interesting, weird guy below Stamper in the hierarchy. Yeah, secondary henchman. Yeah. And that would have been fun. Also, there's one kick in that fight where it's been a little of a long shot. And, like, he gets knocked down. And then there's one more guy just kicking him behind.

And it's a very little looking kick with a massive sound effect. Yeah. It's great. Yeah, there is the sound editing in this movie. Like, you expect that kick to. To be followed by the Wilhelm scream. Yeah, that's true. It's very like,

it's like blatant, such a blatant sound effect. The Living Daylights, Aston Martin is the Valant. Oh. Yeah. So are they big on these V names? Like, is there a Vanquish and Vanguard? There is a Vanquish and a Vantage. And a Valant?

And a Valant. Is there a Vanguard? No, I'd like there to be. Is there a valet? Well, yes, he'll take your keys. That would be awesome. The Aston Martin Valet. The car has a little vest on it.

And gives you just a little bottle of water. What do you think of the party scene in general? And it's always interesting for me the first time Bond encounters the villain. Yeah. Because it's usually in the first act and it's usually, like, they usually already know who each other are immediately. Oh, yeah, that's what's interesting in this one is that Bond in most every other Bond movie is, oh, it's James Bond. And this time he goes, I'm a banker and my name is James Bond.

Yeah. It seems to deny all of that. Yeah. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this movie, related to the pricing, this movie has almost no mystery solving or traditional spycraft, which, again, makes it very, very action movie to me.

Yeah. Like, there's, James Bond drives from Oxford back to London, on the way, picks up a newspaper that lets him solve the entire mystery. And then they're in a car on the way to sending him to Germany where they solve, the rest of the mystery immediately. And most of the scene is Moneypenny being frisky. And there's almost no, like, they just all already know that Elliot Carver is manipulating the planet. Yeah.

It's already worked out. So when he gets to the party, he does absolutely no detective work. He's just there to be threatening and try to have sex with his wife. And why would the PM have his, why would the PM have M's head if they knew he was investigating Car. I don't know. But that line about the ball. that M has is really good. And if it does anything, it offsets how bad the innuendo with MoneyPenny and Bond is in this movie.

It's so overdone. I really like her as it's not her fault. She's great. In fact, she delivers those lines really well. Yeah. That is the worst. I think this may be the worst bond money penny exchange. Maybe next to what's the one with the virtual reality?

Is that die another day or world is not enough? Yes, it's dying another day. But that's just physical. but yeah, this one Yeah, even for Money Penny, it is very frisky at all times. I think they only have dialogue where they're talking about sex

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Are we still at the party? Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm not having a great time at the party. I want to go home. What do you think of the ashtray? breaks so easily that one's ridiculous yeah i also like that there's still an ashtray the the uh the bmw rc12 uh i'm sorry our 1200 c motorcycle i think is uh god it's a good looking bike

is that is that is that yeah yeah yeah yeah i i i i'm just the vehicles in this movie really just just just just just get my engine going wow yeah and it's really it's really it's heavy on action set pieces in a great way. It's really driven. It is. It totally is. I disagree with you guys because it feels like it's just answering to action movies of the time and it lacks bond

flair. They all went a little too long and all the action sequences feel like they're shot not only on a studio backlop but like an actual theme park studio stunt show set which actually means I should love it and I don't know why I don't. Look at Matt, you're just looking at me

with such disdain. No, is that distaste? It's just like, I'm like, honestly, that moment I was like, maybe there's something wrong with his brain chemistry. That helicopter thing? I mean, that, like, the helicopter's leaning down and brushing with its rotors. That's fantastic. Yeah, you ask John Landis if that's a deadly weapon or not. It is a deadly weapon. And guess what? The helicopter crashed. Yeah, it does eventually. Thanks to fucking Wei Lin and Jimbo Bondo. Let's get back to things that matter in this film. I don't understand.

Giorley, I do hear what you're saying about the theme park bed specifically with when they're in Saigon and the motorcycle is driving on balconies above the street. And whenever they do a wide shot of it, it does look like it's on some sort of track like a theme park mine cart or something. It is very, I just wish they would cut to close-ups again and get away from there. I will say, here's another Mloft. Okay. This is a Myra's lookout for this. Yeah. The shot where the helicopter does eventually explode.

It's a full-size helicopter, but it's also full of full-size mannequins. And they stay on it for way too long. Anyway. Here's a gloft. When Paris visits Bond and is it... Are they in his hotel room or her hotel? Yes, they're in his hotel room at the Atlantic. Yeah, brought to you by Smyrna.

This is truly a goarly's lookout for this because I'm at this point, I'm checked out a little bit, and I'm just looking at decor. Like, I do the only reason I watch House of Cards. to look at the molding. The doorknob on that door has a brass plate where it meets the door that is like a phoenix or a fully shaped silhouette of a bird. It's like not a rectangle.

Really worth checking out, guys. Do you want that? Yeah, that I would take. Here's something for you, by the way. Yeah. Matt goarly. You're just going to get hit with residual information. Alex, watch out.

Principal photography for tomorrow and ever. dies began on April 1st, 1997. April Fool's Day, fitting. At Frogmore Studios. Frogmore? Yep. Although Brosnan had the flu, with a temperature of 102 degrees,

Spottis would only required a facial expression of grim determination from his leading man for a shot of Bond in the cockpit of the MIG aircraft as it swiftly departs the exploding arms bizarre. So some of his hurt acting was not acting at all. Man, what a trooper. He was really suffering.

But that's probably one of those shots when he first gets in the Meg. He was probably fully healed by the time he did those hurt acting shots. Listen, starting April 3rd, Brosman shot scenes set in the Ministry of Defense alongside Sirius regulars, Judi Dench, Samantha Bond. and Colin Salmon. Okay. Samantha says, this time I was around much more

and then Money Penny was suddenly put into a scene at the film's end. Even if you didn't say anything, you feel more a part of it. That's good information, Samantha. Thank you. Okay.

So, again with the relationship with Terry Acher, it seems meaningless to me. When he goes into Carver's office and opens his safe, just see a bunch of cocaine and that that's never really dealt with. That's heroin.

Oh, it's heroin? Yeah. He's so he's taking heroin? And that's not Carver. That's Ricky Jay. Whose name in the movie, I don't know. Gupta. Gupta.

That's another thing. He's the most American-sounding human being on the planet. Well, they say he's American, too. Yeah, I know. But his name is Gupta. I guess he's supposed to be Indian of descent. Oh, okay. And actually, I googled Stamper a bit, and apparently in early drafts of the script,

his character had a different name and was from Nepal and had like a Nepali's name and so I think they were between that and the narrow jacket on Carver I think they were going to try to build a whole like other parts of the British Empire thing and then they just dropped it and had a British guy and a Nazi and Ricky Jay yeah that's interesting British guy a Nazi and Stamper so that was heroin that's right Ricky Jay I'm calling you out just kidding and Goup is a heroin out he is the most mild manored focused heroin addict I've ever seen. I mean, the fucking line where he's like, get that satellite down to the launch pad, it's worth $300 million. If you break it, you bought it.

What a line. Right. They're keeping a satellite in like an upper floor of an office building. Yeah. And by the way, it's not in a clean room. It's not in a clean room. You know,

no one has to get dressed in any sort of hazmaty type gear to work on it. Not worried about static electricity. You're not worried about sprinklers going off. Like, it's really spectacularly ridiculous. Yeah. And in that safe, because there's the heroin, there's the encoder, and then there's also

a bunch of German sex magazines. A bunch of porn. Right. So I couldn't track it. I thought the heroin was maybe, oh, they keep this here if they need future planting evidence on people kind of thing. But then there's the sex magazines. So it's like, is that just for them?

Or do they plant porn on people? No, so I took that as, to me, I always thought that was Gupta's office. Okay. And that's where he kept his vices. Yeah, that makes the most sense. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I'm not advocating for this in my bond or against it, but it is interesting to note that Laysenby's bond does a similar thing and he finds a girly mag.

And he just sits there and looks at the girly mag for a little bit. Yes, he does find that playboy. Yeah, and I think he probably, if there was heroin in there, would have shot up, too. I just do like how, like, nonchaliener. Lonely Bond, like, picks up the syringes and just tosses them. Put his fingerprints all over him. He's super cool about searching a room, like, even a little bit earlier in that scene. He isn't sure exactly where the safe is, and there's a long shot of him just chilling in a chair and kind of looking.

And that's a close-up on his face, and there's a small smile when he was like, ah, behind the picture. He's not hurrying at all. No. He's just got to take a moment to think about it. Yeah. Yeah. And is Waylon a good spy? No, because did you see her jump through the door

when they're in that white building When she enters and Bond first sees her She does a full body jump Like the door opens is like a vault door And she jumps out But she stays in the same position and hops in It's almost like they did a cutout of her It's not

But it's comically weird It's something to I'm not going to officially call that a gloft But it's a it's a you know Look out for it if you like She also has on in that scene She's got her leather spy outfit on, right? She has the, what I'm going to wager, eight inch heels.

That really stuck out. And, well, it did stick out for me too. Yeah. And then I thought, well, maybe they're full of gadgets. Magnet heels? I was like, maybe they're full of gadgets, and that's the aesthetic reason for those heels to exist. I bet you it's not.

I agree also. But I'm trying to give this movie apparently more credit than it's worth to Mac Orly. Something, watching it, too, is it feels like at this time in Bond history, they went, let's do Bond TV show

and we'll shoot a pilot and they're like, oh, let's not do the TV show. Well, let's just put it out as a movie. There's something about this movie that feels more television than, I don't know. What is it?

I don't see that at all. I think this movie is such a big, like, I think of this movie is set piece, set piece, set piece. Nothing innovative for me about it. It's got a... You did not, how do you not love the parking garage Maybe that's the only thing

And then even that I mean also what do you think of like Them all trying to break it I love them all trying to break into his car Hitting sledgehammers Against the Glass Shooting bullets at it Them having to call

But I think that that joke was beaten By 4 Your Eyes only when they just blows them up Oh Well as far as innovation Maybe the cell phone is more innovative Than we're remembering Because the cell phone Yeah definitely

life like four times. Definitely. That was a big thing. And we're used to phones, but you know, maybe they were... I do wonder how they gadget, how they write the gadgets? Yeah. Like I wonder if they do the plot, sort of go, oh, you know, it would be handy if he had here as a fingerprint scanner.

Oh, I think... No. And then they go back and write the cue scene last. This era is the worst for reverse engineering its gadgets. You think so? Yeah, well, take the world is not enough. He has a ski parka that inflates into an igloo shelter. solely for avalanches and an avalanche happens. Like, they clearly go what we'll get him out.

It's lazy to me. This movie, and not as much, but this era especially, yeah. Maybe you're just not committed to avalanche preparedness. That's true. Wait, what are you guys doing? What do I need to know? Well, I think you should know, sitting in your ski chalet right now, as we are, avalanches are dangerous.

These Pasadena avalanches. There's snow up in that mountains. Citrus is coming our way. We go out. It's an avalanche of pure fire. This movie is dedicated to Covey Broccoli, and because of that, I think that Matt should like the movie more. Well, that does take it up in my esteem, but I feel like it's not enough of a send-off for him. I am going to now discuss the post, or rather, let's just talk about him escaping that satellite area where he does that.

I feel like he is straight up murdering just regular corporate security guards. He seems like it is. You know what I mean? This is why it doesn't be aware of the corruption of the Carver Media Group. It's another disruption in tone for me. There are a lot of seemingly collateral damage bystanders just murdered in this film. What do you think of the they'll print anything these days? It's great.

I was expecting. Thank you. I was in for that. Alex's podcast on the crack. It's there. I was in for that. He's someone who really gets it. Because I thought for sure Bonn was going to go, well, it's black and right and red all over.

Because I thought that's what level this movie was at. Grunt. The David Arnold's putting in some of those great gold finger cues. Did you notice that? But but but pop, pop, pop, pop. I can't do them, but those little, you know, in Goldfinger when he's in the cold opening

and putting all the like C4 around and there's just those little like background little I don't know just listen god damn I think I would this this will sound like it's insulting it but it's not like kind of that Looney Tunes thing where just little stings for each act somebody is in a good way but

yeah yeah do you think that Bond should have been like well actually we'll get to that in a bit So, okay, after the escape and the garage, we end up again, Whalen and Bond end up captured. And they're in the time. Is this after the halo jump in the underwater thing? Oh, yeah, we got to talk about the halo jump and the reappearance of Joe Don Baker.

Yes. Welcome edition of this film. Yeah, how does that not take it up and not true? He ain't going to hurt it, you know? I mean, Also, I will say This is the first time I've seen these movies

dozens upon dozens of times And this is This movie was the first time I noticed that Pierce Brosnan is left-handed Yeah, that's right He wears his watch on the inappropriate hand For a lefty But he does everything else left-handed

And so much so that I googled it To make sure I was right And the answer is yes Pierce Brosnan is left-handed So that's why you like this film? No. I'm just adding it to the many reasons this film's great. Wait, wait, wait, hang.

So, before that, do you guys like baseball at all? Yes. So I'm thinking of gun barrel sequences. What hand does Pierce Brosnan do the gun barrel sequence shot with? Because I think it's his right. I think it is the right. Because of the direction he walks. Yeah.

So I almost feel like James Bond is like how first baseman and third baseman tend to be one-handedness. Yeah. Because of how it plays. Yeah. Do you think they'd ever consider Bond walking from the last? to right, that would throw you. That would really throw me. Oh, it totally throw you.

Yeah. Because there is something about the way Westerners read, where you want that gun barrel dot to come in left to right and then follow bond right to left. Yeah. Yeah. But to reverse it. So even if you're a lefty bond, you must have to do the gun barrel sequence righty. I think so.

And I think they make him wear the watch on that hand. And I, you know, it's somebody mirror image one of those and send it to us. I don't know what we'll do with it. Not to me. It'll freak me out. You just wants to see it. No, thanks. I could do that.

I'll do it. Okay. And Alex Schmidt on Twitter, is it just your name? It's at Alex Schmitty. Schmitty. Yeah. Spell that. Speaking of Twitter.

Hang on, I need to spell. Okay. Oh, S-C-H-M-D-T-Y. Thank you. Speaking of Twitter, this is a T-Loft. Twitter's lookout for this. Yes, I'm sorry. I don't remember who it is, but someone pointed out that the guy briefing bond up in that C-130 or whatever it is before

a halo jumps is. Sergeant Oppone from aliens. Yes. Oh. Cool. Vietnam. Yeah. The way he says Vietnam.

Yeah. It's the best delivery of any Bond movie, I think. It's plain to me this, too. A halo jump. High altitude, low opening jump. By definition, high altitude, so much so that you've got to have an oxygen mask on. Yeah, they shouldn't have had that cargo bay door open and they all would have been dying.

That's my point. And I know he's going underwater, so he's got it for that reason. Sure. they couldn't have been that high up if they're in what I think is an airplane that you can't even pressurize. Who among us hasn't had a strategic meeting in a plane that is open borderline in space? Who among us? Well, you know.

I'm doing it now. I think if you're going to do the halo jump, it's best to do it not that high. A laylo jump? The Lalo jump. The Lalo jump. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that scene, I think more than any in the movie speaks to this is all action sequences all the time because they have the conversation about what a bad idea this is.

Yeah. As they're training him to do this jump as they're doing the jump. It's just all packed in. I also, I'm a sucker for James Bond showing up in his naval uniform. Oh, man. Always a sucker for Commander Bond. I'm in. Yeah, that's good. I wrote that moment down as his little Navy uniform. It's my favorite. every time he does that in my head I'm just like oh his little baby before I just like that he's a I like that he still has is still somehow active duty in the navy I like that he is flying to this military base so he's going through official channels and he's like you know I guess I'll throw a number of questions one does he always pack that with him right you know what I mean it's like where does it's like where does it Where did he get his perfectly fit Mabel dress uniform? Yeah. You know, and he's never in, like, he's never in a Navy uniform that isn't his full,

well, that's not true. I want to see him in one of those, like, World War II Sailor Boy costumes, like American Sailor costumes. That's not going to happen because he's an officer. That's true. Because if I didn't know he was in the Navy going into Bond movies and somebody was like, which branch of military would he be in?

I think I would guess Navy, like, fourth. Makes no sense. Really? He's such a good pilot, and just in general army or Marines. You're always forgetting about aircraft carriers. That's true, actually. I know. That's true.

But I think, I feel like, and I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will tell me, I feel like Will Smith's character in Independence Day is in the Navy. Yeah. He was in the Air Force. I don't know. He's flying an F-18 Hornet. Actually, I'm realizing it might be a period thing because, at least in the U.S. military, there wasn't a separate Air Force for a while.

It was like the Navy Air or something. Air Corps. It might be that kind of thing. Yeah. I mean, could you just look at the, look at the stakes here. I mean, so many people are in trouble. This is the helicopter mowing the lawn of people. But hold on, I still got some water stuff to talk about.

First of all, when he comes out of the water, his out-of-breath acting rivals his hurt acting. And it is a split second, and he still manages to pull off a, but then it made me think every time he's in a hurt acting scene, it's high-acting. action, high stakes. Doesn't his air get cut? I don't remember. Isn't he holding his breath?

Oh, they both have to jettison their scuba tanks to get through that tube. No, I know he's out of breath, but there's still the acting. Plus, the thing is, when he's doing his hurt acting scenes, they all have been dialogue replaced, ADRD. And just imagine these, I would love to be in the room when Brosnan is in a studio booth going also when they're underwater and they use the underwater, I get all insane clown posse with their magnets.

How does that work? And I mean in real life. The underwater flare? Is it insane clown posse who asks how magnets work? Yeah, it is. Sure it is. You're just asking because it didn't get the rise out of us? You were hoping it would?

No, I'm seriously asking like that to me is like I know there's science behind it, but I don't know how underwater flares work. I think you can burn something underwater. I know you can. It's the same reason guns work underwater. Right, but it just keeps burning. Oh, cool. It just keeps burning.

And I'm not looking for an explanation. I'm just looking to live in the wonderment of it all, like the ICP. Do you think that because you have now seen that amazing fact from this movie? Well, I knew that these existed. That now you love this movie? Yeah, that's what did it. I really just don't understand your not love of this movie.

What do you think of them? What do you think of them jumping and escaping? This is maybe the highlight of the movie for me. I like the fact that the handcuffed thing provides great action tension. This is an up moment for me when they get on the motorcycle.

But again, it goes too long and it feels a little, I don't know, like, there's something, there's like stakes or energy that's lacking. And even that scene, and I don't know if it's, I love Michelle Yo, but she just, all of her lines have been 80-yard and they lack a little vitality. When she does her kung fu scene, it's fantastic. It's incredible. This is an interesting quote from the writer of this movie. Bond lives in a world set 30 seconds into the future.

Yeah. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, because it's like just, just out of reach enough. Yeah. I like that. So he, I think that the handcuffed thing is, for the amount of time they're handcuffed. Yeah.

I really just, I dug it. I also like that they're fighting over. Do we take a car? And he's like, no, no, no, bike, bike, bike is faster. Yeah. It is funny that they're in an Asian locale. And what do they do? They run into a fireworks truck.

half expected them to like next is a fortune cookie factory and then a finger cuff shack. Then they crash into a bunch of gongs. Yeah, it is a little ridiculous like that. We're having a good time. Let me throw something good at you about Brosnan. Oh, please. When they're in her little weapons cachet or whatever. and that little statue dragon, dragon,

flamethrower, his reaction, really good, really funny. That's amazing. Because this is something I saw watching through Gorley's eyes and I hated As Matt Goorley. Really? As Matt Goorley, I was like,

this is ridiculous. Why would he be behaving like that? Because I thought he didn't overplay it and he had a natural reaction. It's almost like they didn't tell Brosnan that was going to happen because they knew his acting when they didn't get to really get his reaction.

Pierce, I'd like you to please come on and defend yourself with me. If he comes on, I will lie. the whole time. We're going to really find out what kind of a man you are. I'm going to throw Matt Myra under the bus. Yeah. If he comes on, will you admit that you are Matt Goreley?

Or will you try to be some other dude? Will you try to be Matt Meera? Because we're both named Matt. That's right. I'm going to say I'm Matt Myra. I got to figure out how to get that done. No, don't, please. Oh, he's got a movie coming out.

No, no, don't. Oh, you don't want Pierce Bross. No, I don't. I do not want a man to think, I don't want, I don't want to make him feel bad. I don't want him to face this. I don't want to be a bad guy to him. So that's an episode I have to do on my own then. I'm not coming.

Because I, yes, I'm taking the piss out of these movies, but I could never do as good a job as he does. I still like him. I just, you know, we have to have something to talk about. And already I feel afraid. I don't want to hurt a man's feelings. I was just texting our booker. And instead of texting her, I started texting Pierce Brosnan. And there's no one in my phone named Pierce Brosnan.

Because in the room, Matt Meyer, when you said, like, I got it, we got to figure out how to book that. You were picking up your phone. And for a second in my head, I was like, is he like one more minute on his phone away from doing this? I could do it. I can get it done. I can get it done. Don't do it. And then don't listen to the tirade of social media comments.

you're going to say, get them on. I mean, it just is foolish if there's a living legend out there in the shores of Malibu who would swing by and talk to us about what it was like to be James Bond from 1996 to 2006 to 2006. I don't have the spine to stick up for my critical analysis of this with him in the room. You don't have to do that, though. It's not like I would bring him in here and go, now Pierce, my co-host thinks, you're terrible. I don't think he's terrible. Pierce, if you're listening, I have some issues

with this era of filmmaking, and I think you were wronged by your directors. I think you're a gentleman, and I look forward to one day hanging out with the most Irish bond that ever was. You're one of my favorites, and I love driving to Malibu. There you go. Looks like Alex and I are doing a podcast. Okay, I think that's fair. Alex, take my stead. All right. So, do you, did you like think anything of the motorcycle? You didn't think, wow, that's a really cool looking motorcycle? No, because everything looked like it was on a rig.

I don't know how their legs didn't get just burned up on that. Let me put it to you this way. Compare this to the Remy Julianne Vue to a Kill car thing, and everything felt like it was really happening. This always felt like they were on wires. and very controlled. It just, it didn't have stakes to me. I don't know what it is.

And Pierce, that isn't your fault. When you come over to my house in Pasadena and we record. Oh, I see. You're going to drag him out here from Malibu. Yeah, because I want to make it, I want to make it at every turn a reason for him to say no. Also, there's no parking, so you're going to have to go, like that kind of thing. Yeah, you're going to have to drive your BMW motorcycle and jump it in.

I've looked for that bike also. I wanted a motorcycle for a long time. It was like settling on a 70s triumph, Bonneville. But I looked at this, my wife again. Well, let me get a motorcycle. So in reality, she's probably saved my life a number of times. But boy, I wish she would just light enough. And let me get the tomorrow never dies cadre vehicles.

I'm now wondering if I'm more into this motorcycle scene because I'm personally terrified to drive a motorcycle. I would never want to do that. Me either. Yeah. I really want to. And I think that's the bike I'd want. It's so big.

Yeah, it is big. It's a beefy bike. Beefy bike. If you're out there and you'd like to give me motorcycle lessons, reach out. Via Twiter. Am I right? Is Carver's cashphrase in this movie? Delicious.

Because he says it at least twice. I would agree. Yeah. Uh, Jonathan Price, what do you think of him generally as an actor? Generally, I like him. I liked him on Game of Thrones. I liked him in Ronan. Uh-huh.

Don't like him in this. I mean, you want a car chase. You watch Ronan. Oh, yeah. You watch Ronan. You get a, that's a chase. Um, so as an act, that's why I, Pierce, if you listen to one thing, it's that, save Judy Dench, this era of movies turned.

I think really good capable actors like yourself into choices that I think don't work as well. I don't think price is good in this. You're saying the price is wrong? I am. And I'm also saying

with this disclaimer again, this is my opinion. I understand I'm probably in the minority with this, so I don't need to hear about it. Damn it. I get a lot of hate for these episodes. Well, I just feel like it's the only time that any, either of us are ever negative. That's not true. You shit all over Thunderball.

Oh. More than me, I would say. I would say yes. That's accurate. Okay. That's pretty great. And you can't shut up about license to kill. There are, those are our two least favorite of the movies, right?

If we did our averages. Um, no, that's a good question. What would be my, no, because world is not enough and die another day still follow up. We did the ranking, right? Yeah. We did the movie. But we need to do it again because it always changes. Do you have a number one, Alex?

I lean toward golden eye, oddly, and I lean toward Goldfinger and from Russia with love. I think the first three. Because also, let's go overall, really broad, Connery is the best bond to me. And then I think Brosnan's number two for me. Wow. But Connery is the best bond partly because those first three movies so. template how good the series can be and what the series is. You can't ignore somebody doing a good job in the movies.

I want it to be noted that I went into this episode with two Braznan lovers here and I went and tried to like this. And so this is not me being trying to be, you know, contrarian, but I'm just facing real odds. I got to say, you're in the Lions down. I think within the next year, this movie is getting revisited again. You can't just. We're going to get through. We're going to get through this.

What do you expect to change in a year? I just... It's been probably two or since we lasted at three even. I'm inviting Pierce Bros. Here's what I recommend. When we do the audio commentary for this on Stitcher Premium, use the promo code bond. Okay. I'm going to be very interested to see what happens.

You need to, I don't know, like get... Like put me on a narcotic drug. That's the only way I can imagine really enjoying this film. So Matt and I agree about like almost everything but yeah Tomorrow never dies in Thunderball no we agree on Thunderball I don't dislike it as much too with the passion like I won't defend Thunderball as heavily as you defend this movie I I won't blind to defend this is so confusing to me okay and Matt Meyer when you say you're gonna take Matt goarly

and have him watch it again is this like you're gonna clockwork orange yeah party him into liking. I'm going to have to. I'm going to have to fucking pull those lids back and we're going to have a great time. Do you think, speaking of clockwork on orange, the you know, I was listening

to, I listened to Rob Sheffield's Beatles book. He just wrote a Beatles book, the audio version of it. I got it on audible.com. Use the promo code Bond. Doesn't exist. Go to walther.com, pick up

a P.99, use promo Code Bond. And he was talking about the brief period of time where the Beatles were in discussions with Kubrick to direct them in the Lord of the Rings movie. What? Hold on. Hold on. Yes. A lot going on there.

What? So the Paul and John tried to get, and they for a brief period had the film rights to the Lord of the Rings. What? And George was going to play Gandalf. John. John was going to... He should be an elf. He's sleek-looking.

John was going to be Ghalem. What? That's Ringo. Ringo is going to be Bilbo. Okay, I see that. And I forget who... Is Paul going to be Sam? Yeah, I think so.

I guess it could do that. And they were in discussion with Santa Kubrick. And the only reason that that came up in my head was because they had... It was... It was that sort of started to fall apart, and that's when Kubrick turned around and got clockwork orange rights. Oh my God. My friend's having a 40th birthday party and it's come dressed as a Kubrick character and I'm

trying to figure out who Amanda and I should be. Oh, John Lennon and Paul McCartney. Yeah. All the way. I'm leaning into just, I want to go as the monolith. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to think of a way to make that comfortable that I actually drink. I don't know how that's possible.

Will she be one of the orangutans? I also wanted to go as Matthew Modine in full metal jacket and have her go as the Viet Cong soldier woman at the end. I think you should both go as Haley Joel Osmond. You know what? We thought of that later because no one else is going to do that. And she may go as the Jude Law character in that. And I may just be the...

Are we counting that? Well, it is slightly Kubrick. I mean, he developed it. That probably would count, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, also, I probably should have said this background up top, but my grandma worked at our local library growing up, and she worked in the VHS department. So we'd go to the library. We'd see her. We'd get videos. We had a great time. And so their collection was very formative for me. And the things they had the most of were all of Star Trek, the original series, all of the James Bond movies. So that set me up when I was like eight or nine watching James Bond movies. And then also they had the Beatles movies. And I love the Beatles. and initially thought they were comedians in movies

who did music and then figured it out later. But I love the Beatles movies and that Lord of the Rings idea is terrible. Unless directed by Richard Lester and turned into like a Hard Day's Night kind of thing, I would love like a romp through Middle Earth. I like Help more than Hard Days Night. I need to watch those again.

Help is one of my favorite Beatles album. Help is just so... The movie's fun. I think I subconsciously, or unconsciously dress like George Harrison and help most days. You're always wearing a turtle neck? No, he has that, like, just denim with rolled up jeans. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Denim shirt with rolled up jeans. And I often wear that and have that in my mind. And they go to Bermuda. He's my favorite beetle. Me too. He's the Dalton of Beatles. George is my favorite beetle. Who are the Beatles to bonds?

Wait, is your favorite bond? No. Oh, okay. But he just the dark horse. I see. Yeah. So which, I know there are six bonds. but if you had to take the Beatles and say which bond.

I got it right here. Ready? Lazy's B. He's Stu Sutcliffe. Brewing. Cool. Wasn't great at playing base. I guess so Dalton's probably Pete Best then.

Before the success, Timothy Dalton is Pete Best. He was there for a taste, played on a lovely deal where you could hear it. It wasn't that great. This is where it's going to get tricky, though. And then, and now we're into it, guys. Okay, well, let's, I think it's pretty clear that Lenin's Connery. Yeah. And Roger Moore is Paul McCartney.

Because those are the mainstay bonds. No. No? You think Ringo? I feel like... I don't... I'm just having a hard time putting Daniel Craig as anybody. I think he's actually George Harrison.

And Ringo's Brosnan. I mean, Dalton seems like a George Harrison, though. He does, but when you're putting them all in, I think you're right, he's Pete Best. Yeah. I... This might infuriate you. I almost want to make Roger Morringo because of the comedic aspect. Yeah, I understand that.

I don't hate that. But I think it, like, Paul was kind of a goofy wag. Paul must be Pierce-Brosnan. I think Paul is Pierce-Brose. I think Paul is Pierce-Brosan. And then Lenin is Connery. And I think we can make Craig Harrison. Yeah, I disagree with you guys on that.

And also, in terms of period timing, I think the fifth beetle I would make Dalton is Billy Preston, because he came much later in a run of things. And also, some of his stuff's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, well, then who's George Martin? Because he was a fifth beetle, too. George Martin is Bradley or something. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm George Martin. All right. That was a fun digression for this anglophile podcast. Yeah. That was so many things I love. I hope I lined them up right. Doing that on the fly.

Okay. Here's what it is. Dr. McCoy is Daniel Craig because he's very onry, you know? And I feel like I'd have to, uh, give Connery is 100% Kirk. Oh, no. The most logical of the bunch for me feels like, I mean, Spock is Timothy Dalton?

All right, let's get to the Sex and the City Girls versus Bond. All right. Brosnan for me is Charlotte. Roger Moore is. Connery, Samantha. Yeah. No question. No question.

Yeah. Carrie, I feel like, is Craig. I think Carrie is maybe Brosnan. Explain. Well, I don't know. Oh, you weren't really playing this game? Because I was. Apparently not.

God. I have a fun game. Getting us back to this movie. But also, I do have a fun game. There are only a few Bond movies where the henchman out survives the main villain to have the final confrontation. This movie is one of them. So Stamper survives Carver's evisceration. What are some of the others?

Oh. Let's see if I got him. I have four, I have three and one with a question mark. This is an inexact guess, but at least one movie with Jaws, right? Because I would think Jaws were at last. I have the spy who loved me and I was trying to remember. Does that train sequence happen after Stromberg dies? I can't remember.

I don't. No. it doesn't it's in the middle of the movie yeah so that is not one because well and doesn't jaws live through moonraker he does but he becomes an ally yeah that's true they don't fight so you're right because they don't they end in the the little life capsule and spy who love me so that that that isn't that so then i could only think of three i could be wrong oh well cleb uh and from rushwood yeah but who is the main villain in from rush we've had that's always been a tough conversation because she's kind of pulling the strings.

I know specters above her, but she's really running that show. Yeah, that's true. I would say she's actually the main villain, and Grant is the henchman. Okay, so I will tell you this. Two are on a boat, one's on a train. Thunderball. Largo blows up in a boat. Yeah, but there's no henchmen that...

Oh, I thought you just asked me for movies on a boat. No. Two Roger Moore, one, Sean Connery. Two Roger Moore, one Sean Conner. Is it Diamonds or Forever? Yes. Wint and Kid. Yeah, those guys.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Now two more Roger Moore. It's one on a train, one on a boat. People are screaming at you into their... Octopussy. No.

Yes. What? Doesn't... Oh, no, there's no. Real henchmen in there. I was thinking of those knife-throwing guys, but that's before the end. Yeah. early Roger Moore

Living Let Die Yes Tee-he on the train Plus Baron Samadis riding in the front Because I guess he's magical Like I guess that's what we've established In that movie Like I still can't

I still can't process the shooting of that skull The shooting of him Yeah you're meant to not know That movie truly does go into the supernatural Yeah Who among us has a shot of skull In a voodoo right. It's...

One more. What is it? On a boat. No. View to a kill. Well, yeah, technically they're in a blimp, I guess so. But May Day's really... Well, technically, they're in a blimp, right?

Well, but I mean, it's like, that's right after. Yeah, okay, I'll allow that, but that's not what I'm thinking of. Because, well, really, Mayday's the henchmen in that. Oh, I'm sorry. Scarpine. The crazy German scientist. with a monocle and long gray hair. There's no reason to yell. It's not a henchman.

I'll allow it. But you're still missing one that's more to the point. What is it? Man with a golden gun. Oh, of course. Yeah. Right. Oh, of course.

This has been another installment of whatever we just played. Okay, so what do you think of them gearing up for this mission? Honestly. Do you like the interplay? you like him hitting the dragon you like the fire coming out I love the comment on the Walthor P99

yeah that's like signals this like oh gonna I'm gonna have a new one it's an interesting it's a weird scene because it's like a second cue scene yeah and there's almost never that yeah that's not literally one

but I didn't I didn't hate it I thought I was into it yeah I really like it's cool to see I like him on the other side arms I like him grabbing the watch and going like this looks familiar. Yeah. Yeah. There was also a joke that does not feel woke to me now seeing it, where there's the keyboard with Chinese characters. And James Bond, a character who we've established,

even in this movie, speaks basically everything. Yeah. Comes up to the keyboard and is like, how would someone handle that as a person? Like, I can speak this, but I ain't going to look at this crazy shit. Yeah. Well, for me, I don't think it's a courty keyboard. I don't think Chinese keyboards are courty. Like, they're not ordered the same way. I guess the typing says that's as a bit. So I think it just would have like taken him too long. But I love that. I was okay with it. The monitors and the keyboard are red.

Well, that's how you know. Yeah, I love that. But speaking of woke, I love that his code name and the cold open is White Knight. He's the least White Knighty person. Right, because they're doing a chess thing. That also I don't think would hide your activities very well.

But yeah, it is what I heard White Knight. Right. Modern me was like, Internet? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even put that together. So her base of operation is a bicycle shop. You know what I would have liked here?

Some sort of acknowledgement of like Scaramanga. Because they go back to... Are those the same Thailand island? I mean, they're fake because it's miniatures. I really got to read this book. But you know how you like your miniatures. Look at how big the boat is compared to these guys pushing the boat. Yeah, that's cool.

Pretty cool, right? Yeah. Boy, I bet you. you like this movie now, don't you? Yeah. I'm glad they went there because that was the first truly exciting location to me that the film happened in.

Usually they get to more exciting locations on the earth sooner. Yeah, this movie does lack that for me. I think of it is very, this movie's very urban to me. This movie is very much like city to city, just like Shanghai, Berlin, London.

Yeah, a terrorist arms bizarre on the Russian Zah. Sure. Are you guys going this month to that, by the way? Well, you know, it's the second Sunday of the month, right? Every, yeah. Yeah. Because first Sunday is the Rose Bowl Flea market. And then second Sunday's Terrorist Armisar. Yeah, you know what? I think I think I have time. Okay. I'm going to do it in the morning. You guys going? Yeah, I'm going to try to work it out. I mean, like, because I still have some stuff. I actually want to sell this time. Well, I'm looking to get as much C4 as I can. Oh, I'm trying to unload some. Oh, this is great. You may not even have to go. Do you have a booth? Or are you just going to go and just try to barter? No, I have.

I have a booth. Oh, okay. Because I'm going to get rid of some RPGs. Yeah. And some stingers. That day I need to get from my C layer to my space layer. And I'm going to block off traffic for the bazaar. Yeah.

It's a real pain. I don't like it. Well, you know, you should try having your henchmen in Land Rover. That seems to be a handy way to block traffic. Yeah. But, I mean, I really go to these bazaars for the food. I love the food. They have those, like, strawberry lemonade.

I also enjoy the mariachi band that they often have on weekends. Well, at this bazaar. I haven't been at the Long Beach Bazaar in a while. I don't know if it's different. It's pretty good. It's just a little early from me because you have to drive. Well, it's hard to get down there. But I always say, you do want to pay extra to have that first hour in the arms bizarre.

That is true. Before the rest of the terrorists get there. Yeah. So. It's almost like we don't have enough to talk about with this film. Well, I mean, the final sequence is very, Spy Who Love Me. Very Spy Who Love Me, very You Only Live Twice.

Very shoot him up bang bang at headquarters. Could this movie be considered the fourth of those films? Because it does deal with, it sinks a ship, but another ship kind of overtaking a ship. So you've got, You Only Live Twice, Spy Who Love Me, Moonwaker, this. Ship stealing to start World War III? Basically, yeah. Yeah. All out.

That, I mean, that is egregious. The fourth time through on this formula. And also as far as there's so many James Bond sequences of exploring as a scuba diver in a wreck, and this is one of the least interesting wrecks, I think. In a series of least interesting wrecks, yeah. I think that Waylon would not have been captured on that ship so easily. Yeah. I think that she would have been aware of the cameras. I'd be like she's a very good spy.

I have to admit, I tuned out at this point, so I'm trying to remember what. I think that setting the missile launch for five minutes was a little ridiculous. Yeah, I did notice that. Like, they really want to do this. Yeah. Why not give it 15 seconds? T-minus five minutes. Yeah, is there boat actively burning at that point when they set the timer?

It sure is, my friend. Oh, is it? Yeah, sure is. T-minus enough time for a nap and counting. Because they're relatively calm when the ship is burning and visible to radar. Yeah. They're still relatively, which I suppose in real life would be good, but doesn't make sense. T-minus, enough time for action scene before this wraps up.

So Carver gets shot up. What do you think of his death? It's mere minutes after his, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. He deserved to die for that. Yeah, he did. I think that the... I mean, I like...

I like the actual fight with the with goats or stomper. Yeah. I like it. Me too. I like when he's, this is for Carver, this is for Dr. Kaufman. I like that he's hanging by the vest, pulls the knife out of his chest, and cuts the vest loose. I mean, I like that they gave this guy connection to Dr. Kaufman. But again, like the Paris Bond thing, it's there in name only.

Like I don't feel anything. I mean, I wish they could have somehow illustrated that more. I agree. You don't need to feel it because he's a henchman and I don't really care. But I want to feel it. Good God, is he handsome? I just flip the page here and I just can't take my eyes out. There is no denying he's a handsome man.

For a second, I thought you were talking about Stamper. I did too. I mean, yeah, sure. I need to know from our viewers, or listeners rather, who is the most handsome purely based on look? Bond? Who's the most handsome James Bond? Well, we could go around the room with that and I can answer in a heartbeat. I mean, my answer is going to be Brosnan.

Mine's Daniel Craig. Oh, it's a Connery. Interesting. We have three different answers. And I actually find Roger, well, I find all of them very good looking. Yeah, Brazen's too good looking. What if Amanda? Is Amanda here?

No, she'll be home soon. Because I feel like she could, if we get a fourth answer? Because we've all answered three. She'd say Craig. She'd say Craig. Yeah. And I think they're the, the. top three. I wouldn't put anybody else above any of them. Yeah. But I feel like

Daniel Craig is like ruggedly handsome. Do you know what I mean? And where I'm putting like Pierce Brazzan, I'm putting as like daintily handsome. Yeah. Like, oh, I'm in a field with flies. Yeah, I'd be in a field. If he had like a white blousey shirt. Oh yeah, he's romance novel handsome. He's soap opera handsome. Daniel Craig is Steve McQueen handsome. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, sure. And that's Flaming Bond. And that's your kind of handsome? That's, well, that's, yeah, I guess so.

I think Connery's both of those things. Yeah. That's true. That's true. You can't take that away from him, but he does wear a hairpiece throughout all the movies as Matt Goreley tends to illustrate constantly. I think you do. Your wig dar just, I just feel defensive around it. You do?

Yeah. Well, I'm not, I mean. Someday it's going to be gone. I'm going to have to get a wig. We all are. Well, we don't have to get a wig. wings. We all have to get wings.

There's a certain point where the government committee approaches you and says, excuse me, Matt. You're due. It's time. Isn't it you buy that BMW and then they throw in wicks? Isn't that the gift? The glove compartment opens up and it's got like instead of the foam cutaway for guns.

That is my dream. It's just different. Lego hairs. Snapons. As far as the movies, there were three James Bond movies made in the 90s. Right? The Brosons? Because there was a big gap between license.

License to kill is about 89. 89, yeah. So there were three James Bond movies made in the 90s. All brazments. And of those three, this is by far the most 90s of the movies, I think. Yeah, I agree with that. And this is even factoring in the ridiculous score from Golden Island, the crazy 90s techno score. And I would say that then, like I do think the 90s, like you're kind of saying, it's still, I still have yet to really say like, what is the 90s era of filmmaker other than,

kind of shallow blockbusters. Right. Right. Yeah. I don't know. Like, 80s were blockbusters, but they still had something to them. And I don't see it as much in the 90s. I'm sorry.

Well, let's just say the end of this movie is satisfying for me. As a Bond fan, I enjoy, I enjoy many people who are bad at aiming automatic weapons, and we get that in spades here. Did you notice at one point he gets shot while he's, literally just climbing a thin metal ladder and every part of the ladder gets hit. Ping, pink, pink. Yeah, except him. Well, I also, like, when they're riding the motorcycle, like, the entire floor is getting

everything, everything right below their tire is getting hit. Yeah. Ad nauseum. Yeah. Yeah. I also, like, wonder what the helicopter pilot was thinking. Like, the helicopter pilot who assuming, I assume just works for Carver News media. I know.

It's like, what are I doing? Like, I understood you only live twice. You've hired an army that I presume is an ideological army. Who are these people working for Carver? Like, do they believe in this mission? Or is he paying them handsomely? Well, I think there's an important scene for that when early on he has all his subordinates in the media enterprise on different monitors.

Yeah. Because he's explicitly saying, we are going to create havoc in the world through media. What do you seven people think? And they're all like, inspires. sir. Yes, yes. What is Michael T. Wilson say? Like, inspiring as usual, sir.

Inspired. Brilliant as usual. Yeah. So I think at least several levels of the company are straight up. We are up to evil. And there's very few Homer Simpsons who don't know that it's a Hank Scorpio. There's very few layers of the company that are like that. That's true.

Yeah. Well, let's rate this thing out of 007. I would love to, man. So from a zero o double, 000 to a 007 let me think about this if any one

has one go ahead sure I give this movie a 006.5 are you kidding you're just doing that to to counteract mine this movie is not

a 6.5 I just agree with you I think it is you have to look at it what did you give GoldenEye what did I give GoldenE 107 right

no because none of us did None of us gave it a 007? You think this movie's better than gold than I? I'll give it that if I gave gold, if I didn't give golden I a 007, which I think I did. I don't think you did. I think you may have even given a 006. I may have given it a double higher score than you. I'm not sure.

Well, let me adjust my score then. And remind me if the score is relative to Bond movies or relative to just things. They're just a Bond movies. So listen, you're beating this half point out of. me. Fine. 006. Okay. Alex.

I would also go 006. Yeah. It's way up there. It's not on the level of golden eye, Goldfinger Rush, from Russia with Love.

But it's very good. So the question is I have for you guys, when you take your best Bond movie, that's obviously a 007. And your worst Bond movie, is that a 001 or a 000?

Uh, 201? I feel like it's, I feel like your worst bond movie is always going to be a 001. I think the double, I think the zeros.

No, I think the zeros are there. and are accessible and can be used for things like Woody Allen Peter Sellers Casino Royale which is a movie I've never seen so that's why I'm like saying

I'm reading it there I actually haven't seen it either yeah yeah all right I'm going double 0.0.0. Oof. Oof. Matt Meyer, come back.

No, I can't I just can't handle this anymore this is the end of the podcast period end of discussion. I'm sorry. I apologize. No, I get it.

You're entitled to like and dislike all the things that you like and dislike. But just to be so wrong is egregious. But we're in your home, so thank you for allowing us here. As usual, it's just this movie. It's interesting to me

because I think we agree on a lot of details too. Like there's a lot of details and little parts where we're like, yes, this is good or yes, this is bad. But somehow the big picture's working for you guys and it doesn't work for me. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, to the,

the point of when I had given it a 6.5, which we've now lowered to a 006, because I was guilted into it due to what I gave Goldfinger. I put this movie on the goldfinger level of... Oh, that's a 7, right? Enjoyable for me. Yeah. I mean, it's got to be the... I can't give this movie higher than that.

Yeah. Like, I just can't. It's just not something I can do. But I'm going to say the following statement. I think each bond has a 006 movie in them in the sense of they each hit a six

I think for me Yeah I think that's possible And I think Living Daylights does that for Dalton Again we're going to revisit these So you know Goldfinger obviously Is they up there

If you do a kill so fun Octopus You know More certainly does it Out of the gate I think Laysenby did it I think Honor Magic Secret Service is great

He didn't do it but that film It worked out You know, Craig, obviously with Casino Royale, that's a seven. Yeah. You know,

I don't even know if we need to even worry about the, spoiling that for people. So I feel like this is Pierce Brosnan's best. Are you kidding?

Oh, no, I don't agree with it. Over Golden Eyes. Yes. No, I don't agree. It's okay. You don't have to agree. I think GoldenEye is also

a seven. I think you putting this above GoldenEye is crazier than me putting it at 0.5. It's not spiteful. Like, I'm not doing it

because you don't like it. No, and I want you to know that I believe you as long as you know. You know that like, I'm not doing this despite you. When I was trying to convince my wife last night to let me buy a 20 year old BMW. Yeah. I like went into my office and grabbed my, I still have the corgi BMW that shot missiles out of the sunroof that I bought, you know, when that movie came out, I bought it like Suncoast video. And it's been in my office for 20 years. I can't take that away from you. That's special. And, you know, it's just this movie for me is just like such, I don't know. This is, this was the movie of my time. And at the end of the day, I like Godfather 3 in season 2 of True Detective, so I cannot

be listened to. I don't mind it. Really? I don't, yeah. I have avoided Godfather 3 completely. You've never seen it? Oh, I love the first two so much. You want to see some.

Maybe it's actually a better time to watch it because I think what people really don't like about it isn't as big a deal as what I think they say. I mean yeah, Sophia Coppola has a tough job. Guess what? She's very talented and things have worked out nicely for her. I love, see the thing is looking at a movie, a good looking movie goes a long way for me. That's why like I think I love some of the classic bonds, the Ken Adam bonds. And Godfather III, the production design is so beautiful. And I think the Brosnan's don't look great. Deep wise. Even in the bicycle shop when they're when they're, when they're, when they're, when they are, when she is

revealing all of her spy stuff, the way that all like moves out is very Ken Adamsy. Yeah. But you look at the production design of that bicycle shop and you're just like, well. Yeah. And the props like that magnetic grenade he puts on in the cold open that kind of looks like a grenade, but it's like a flat pocket grenade.

That is weird, yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. They look like TV movie props to me. But you know, we can get those very cheap at the Arms Bazaar tomorrow. That's true. That's true. No one wants the flat grenades anymore. That's true. You can't get They're out of style. You can't give them away.

Alex, where can people find you? Tell them what's up. Yeah. I work for crack.com. You can find a lot of my work there. And then my website is Alexshmitty.com. And then I'm on Twitter at Alex Schmitty. And what's the video you did about Bond?

I did two. I did one about how Bond movies could go in more of a direction of focusing on real world problems. And actually, I picked out Quantum of Salas as one that fails but aims for that. Yeah, the water. Because I actually, really, this movie and Quantative Salas both try to tackle a, like, cutting-edge thing that's going on. I thought of that same thing, yeah. And blow it completely, but great. And then the other one I made was right after Spector.

And I was very frustrated with Spector turning everything into the Avengers where all the movies added up to each other. Yeah. And that makes me anxious for the future of the series. But they could have a lot of fun doing like crazy one-offs and things like that. Yeah, we really looked at it through Tom Ford. colored glasses. We sure did.

Well, we were in love. You know, it's, there's good stuff about it. We're going to have to answer for Specter very soon. We're going to have to rewatch that. It is not held up to me

and rewatches. Yeah. It'll be interesting to approach. But speaking of that, it'll be very interesting to approach. When we watch it, who knows when it will be,

but we need to hear what we're going to watch in two weeks from now. Matt, it's your turn. I chose tomorrow never dies. You sure did. I wanted to face this. I wanted to like it,

and I apologize. to you out there, that do. It's time for us. We've hit our, we're hitting our posts, you know, we're going along. We're hitting our bonds. We still have two bonds we haven't touched. Laysenby and Dalton. That's correct.

And Craig. We haven't done a Craig. That's correct also. Oh my God. Three for six. We could really, I could go any way here. I hadn't even thought about this yet. Before you say the movie, because sometimes when I'm trying to decide, I think, like,

Oh, we got to put a, we got to put a loser in because we've been doing a lot of winners. That's what I'm just doing on. Or we got to, like, it's time to get this bond we haven't talked about yet. So what was your thinking in this one? How did you approach it? My thinking in this one was we've been talking, we've been mentioning this movie a lot lately. Oh. And I think it's certainly worth a fully conscious revisit.

Hmm. And that movie is the living day. I'm excited. I almost chose that because it's the 30-year anniversary. It's the 20-year anniversary of Tomorrow Never Dies. That's true. Happy 20th. Yay.

You don't look a day over boring. But I think it's time to really take a look at that Aston Martin Volante. This is exciting. I've been wanting to watch this movie and I keep holding off because I think like, oh, then I won't want to watch it for the podcast. Well, buckle up, buddy. This is great. You might give me a headache on this episode. but I'm sorry.

I'm never going to let you down. I'm sorry. Have you guys seen a Dalton one since Hot Fuzz came out and it turns out he's an amazing villain as an actor? Because I have not. That would be very excited.

He is so good in Hot Fuzz. And I just have a renewed love for him after seeing him in the Everything or Nothing documentary where he's just a madman. Yeah. We were doing it. He's just... The thing is to get out there and do it.

And he's got long hair and he's got his fire in his eyes. Yeah, you just want him to... Two things. I wish he had gotten more movies. And I... You know, I just... I guess I wish 1989 to 1996 didn't happen the way it happened. Boy.

I wish we'd had a couple more James Bond movies under our belt. Yeah. Is Dalton maybe the most divisive bond? People are really polarized with him. They really kind of like him or they don't. You know, I think we're going to find out. And the reason I didn't choose license to kill is because I've seen it pretty recently anyway. Yeah.

It just was on one night. Yeah. I made a gif of that guy's head blowing up. I have it on my phone. If anyone needs it, let me know. It's your lock screen. That's what you'd be what you swipe to open and it inflates as you swipe. then that bursts and your home screen is behind that.

Maybe they can do it with the iPhone X. It can be one of these fancy new emoji things that talk. Whatever. Anyway, point is, tune in in two weeks. We're going to be talking about Timothy Dalton and Miriam Diabo's turn in the living daylight. Joe Don Baker, Yerome Crob. This is our third Joe Don Baker in four weeks. The Joe Don's.

These are it, right? This is it. Yeah. Yeah. That movie, my brother's a cellist, and that's one of his favorites because they have like, ski out of cello. Heavy, heavy cello usage. The cello, obviously, it also inspired one of our rides at our James Bond theme park,

which the map has been done. Yes, that's right. Yeah. It's available in the artist's Etsy shop. You can follow, if you follow the James Bonding Pod Twitter account, James Bonding Pod, I believe we link to that. it on the Instagram?

It should be. I don't know. We'll talk to us about that. But take a look. If you want to buy the map that came out of the brains of Paul Shear,

Matt Goreley, and myself of what a James Bond theme park should be like, someone was kind enough to actually illustrate it. That's Dana James Jones

who made my Terry cloth jumper. There you go. And Dana, you're going to build him his goldfinger suit? Yeah, come on, buddy.

Let's get this going. If you do that, that's our first live episode. The minute we have that will do a live episode in my in my blue Terry Cloth jumper and me and my in my mustard romper

yeah chiffon lemon chiffon Terry got one when you said gold finger suit it was like does he mean a men's suit or does he mean that track suit oh I mean that track shorts like shorts like some a vague jacket that is much fluffier than it needed to be and it's longer

than the shorts are so it looks like you're just wearing a frock I'm really looking forward to it the only outfit that's ever been built for no climates Yeah. It would be awful to wear in Miami in the sun. That would be a terrible thing to wear. If we get those, should you and I just go to a community pool and play? What are they playing?

Gin Rummy? What are they playing? They're playing Bridge? No, Bridge is a four person. What are they playing? Backgammon? Maybe Gin Rumi. Or gin or Gin Romi, yeah.

We should go and just do that and see if anybody notice. I am looking forward to it. Uh, yeah, so James Bonding will return. James Bonding podcast. Hey, this is Arnie Neacamp from the Improft Fantasy podcast. Hello from the Magic Tavern. I fell through a dimensional portal behind a Burger King in Chicago into the magical land of food. And I started a podcast.

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