James Bonding - Tomorrow Never Dies with Jordan Morris

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

Special guest Jordan Morris joins the controversy between the Matts about Tomorrow Never dies! Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Now entering nerdist.com. Tiffany drums. Yeah, a lot of timpity drums. A bell. Darling, I'm killed. What? Or you are the puddle. No, her vagina is so wet.

Oh, Jesus. Matt, it's early in the morning. Come on. That's how it goes with James Bond. Oh, yeah. Let's set the scene. It's in 1997. right? That was the year of the women in music. Lilith Fair was a big deal.

Oh, yeah. Ah, there it is. I love the song. I know you do. Cheryl Crow, they said, hey, why don't you do our song? Because every day is a winding road. Yeah, I mean, I think the Bond theme songs, you know, sex appeal is so important. And, I mean, you know, when you think female singers that give me a boner,

Cheryl Crow obviously jumps to the top of the list. raw sexuality, I think, is what she gives off. Who at that time would have been... Very much to the bottom of the list. If we're actually... If we're actually making the list. I'm not a huge fan of this song, but maybe I like Cheryl Quill all right, I guess,

but it is an odd choice, right? I mean... It is. I mean, I think, right, it's like... Guys, I just set the scene for you telling you how it's not an odd choice. Again, 1997, Lilith Fair. And you're saying your other options were Sarah McLaughlin, Lisa Loeb, Fiona, Fiona. This was a little early for Fiona.

No, this was the year of title. This is the year of her bonkers speech at the BMAs. She would have been great. Tori Amos, I think, could have sang it, turned us on, and then made us feel bad for being turned on. I think would be the Tori Amos version of this. When is sixpence none of the rich are going to get a bond song? Ladies and gentlemen, this is Jordan Morris joining us today for, what do we call this? Tomorrow never dies.

Listen, I didn't just roll out of bed again. Tomorrow never dies. That's right. I love this. I love this movie. I'm the only one. Listen, listen, can I just say, can I open with something? Yes, go.

Okay, look, I noticed a couple of people have written in or tweeted or whatever saying, why would I tune in to listen to a Bond podcast about two guys that don't like the movies? And I think that's a valid criticism, but I want to defend it. We love these movies. Yes, we do. Even when we don't like them, my point is, the worst day brazening is better than the best day Schwarzeneggering, if that makes sense. This is all a relative criticism. Yeah.

Like, I'm not a fan of the Brazans, but I still love these movies. However, this is the worst one. You're going worst. You're saying worst. Whoa. Whoa. What a Bond movie? Most favorite Bond movie of all.

Wow. What the fuck are you talking about? I'm glad I could be here on a day where passions are in flame. I will defend this throughout the podcast. How can you say that? We have been through Dinah. Another Day and the world is not enough together. And I've said this before.

Because Die Another Day has so much to not like, it's fun. I love when they go big or go home. So yes, when they make huge missteps, it's more fun than just this weird. To me, this is kind of down the road mediocrity, middle of the road, just garden variety. I think, I think that's a fair criticism. And I think you can see that a lot, you know, that same phenomenon. at work a lot in the Fast and Furious movies. The most fun of those are the ones where they go for broke.

Yeah, yeah. And it's super bonkers. And you're, you know, your Tokyo Drifts. I haven't seen it, but I'm prepared to dick your word on that. I think Tokyo Drift is the Tomorrow Never Dies of the Fast and Furious franchise. Yeah. I'm very interested in why you dislike this movie so much. I feel like of the Bond movies from the era of 85,

to current, well, to let's say, let's say to 2004. Pre- Craig. Yeah. I feel like this is the most James Bondian, the most formulaic James Bond movie. My problem comes with the tone, and we've talked about this before. So Roger Moore's films had some tonal issues, but they were mostly all kind of light-hearted camp,

and then he'd occasionally slap a woman, and you'd go, ooh, gross. This one seems to fluctuate, like, almost half-haired. and half. So with Paris Carver's death, it's really asking you to take it seriously. And then you cut to Elliot Carver and he's just what is going on with this guy? And people seem

to like him as a villain and I don't know what it is. I like him a lot. You know what? Here's the thing about the villain is, I mean obviously this is just having a modern perspective, but I pity him because his plan is based around what are the three tenants of his plan? Newspapers, magazines

and television. It's so unengaging. Don't have to take this guy down. He just needed to wait five years for the internet to do it. Like this guy, he could maybe have ruled the world from 1997 to 2002. Yeah. Then just the Huffington Post would have destroyed him. I just feel like the writers went, let's not think of a story, let's think of something that's current, you know, and just, I don't know, the whole news thing. And the ridiculousness that he could get away with murdering people and causing a war just so he could.

sell papers. It's just two preposter. Here's also the thing that I like about the villain is he is not secret about his people. But the first time we see him at that party, he's basically confessing to what he's doing but on a smaller scale.

He's at a party and he's like, well, surely I didn't invent mad cow disease just to shame a beef magnate who lost to me in poker. And everyone's laughing. He's basically, you know, he's confessing to a smaller crime. That's the exact crime.

Yeah. Yeah, and it's delivered as if a punchline has just been said in a party, you come in and, oh, oh. You would think that his public face would be one of, like, you know, moral impeccability. Yeah, exactly, yeah. But no, he's fine being seen as evil in public. Yes. I remember the Siskel an Ebert review of this movie, and I remember Gene Siskel taking my side and saying that they really enjoyed the villain in this movie. Well, think of it.

It's like a Ted Turner, Steve Jobsian kind of. Rupert Murdoch more than anybody Yeah Yeah probably That's exactly where that came from Although I think I mean I think I you know

I think the actor We're certainly having a lot of fun Not other than Bryce Only has fun in movies Sure was I think they're the two Unsung villains of this Are the German torture fellas

Oh that he beats up in the room Oh wait are you talking about Vincent Schiavo I'm fucking about the Talking about the henchman And Dr. Kaufman Yeah I think I thought, I thought the Dr. Kaufman's scene was terrific.

Legitimately terrific. I loved it, too. Didn't belong in this movie. The tone of that scene didn't fit anything. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. And the blonde, sexy Ted Haggard looking guy, Stamper, you know that Reverend Ted Haggard? Stompah!

He looks like him. He's got a weird sort of eye problem. Yes. And I like, yeah, I like how they dress him like an, you know, East Coast crew team with wasp. He has all these, like, tight sweaters. He's great. I loved those, too. By the way, very funny.

I watched some special features on the movie, and when that guy is talking, so much more effeminate. Really? In life, yeah. They're so clearly trying to make him a red grant. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. From Russia would love.

But we're ahead of ourselves. Let's jump in, start with... With asking you, Jordan, about your life growing up with James Bond. Well, were you a fan or what? So here was my relationship to Bond when I was... Of the age that one is when one gets into Bond. When I was...

Two months? When I was two months old, yeah. You know, when you're supposed to get into James Bond. Suckling at the tea to Fleming. Exactly. You know, when I was, you know, 11 through 15, my favorite movies were your blood sports, your kickboxers. Sure, sure. Yeah, your commandos.

So when my dad would rent a James Bond movie and say like, now, oh, you like action movies, you'll love this. I was bored to tears. I specifically remember watching Goldfam. with him and just thinking to myself they're playing golf half of this movie is golf and and just really not understanding it really seemed to me like the product of another age and specifically um more specifically of like British stuff people try and push on you so I I put this in the same camp as like Babar and Paddington and like other boring British stuff people think I see what you're saying, yeah, yeah.

So it was kind of not till later, not till college. So it was touch and go for a while. It was touch and go, yeah, yeah. Could have easily not happened. Yeah. But thank God it did. But yeah, but I definitely... So when you get to college, what was the Bond movie that came out?

Re-watching Goldfinger. Oh, okay. And it's going like, oh, no, this is a great, really fun movie. I mean, despite the golf. There's a lot of... There's too much golf. And, yeah, I mean, I went to see Golden Eye in theaters. Christmas, 19.

I was 13 and went to see every movie in every theater. Yeah. And certainly played a lot of Golden Eye on N64. Of course. If I'm being honest, that's maybe the bond property that I feel the most connection to. A lot of people do. Yeah. That game is so good.

Did you ever play it? I never played it when it... Well, yeah, I played it once or twice when I was out, but I just didn't have a console at the time. I loved that you could play as odd job, Jaws. Who else did that? I feel like Odd Job and Jaws were the two Oh, Alec Trevelyan, obviously you could play as

Russian soldier Yeah, you could play as what you could play as Draco from Not Draco What the fuck is the guy's moonraker's villain's name Drax? Drax. Oh, wow.

Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Yeah. I know people want us to do an episode based on the video game, so maybe we should dig all those out and have a roll. Let's do it.

Most of them are very bad, though, right? Yes. The newer ones are... Particularly bad, yeah. Although Bloodstone's pretty good. Yeah, I played that. Yeah. I might argue that Golden Eye is not a terrific game,

but the thing about Golden Eye that people liked was it was the first time on a console you could do multiplayer death matches. Yeah. So I remember they had Golden Eye HD come out two years ago. Yes, which I own, yeah. And I was super nostalgic and was really excited when that came out and popped in it. And I'm like, oh, FPSs have gotten a lot better. Yeah.

They really got, this has a lot of problems. But it was, it's kind of interesting. I mean, if you, I recommend, like, if you're listening and you, I guarantee you can get it for like 10 bucks somewhere. Yeah, I think you can even download it for. Yeah. But get it. It's kind of fun. It's kind of fun watching a, like being in the world of, uh, golden eye, but with like the graphics of today.

Well, the graphics of seven years ago. Yeah, sure. I had a Commodore 64. As did I, my friend. As did I, my friend. I'm glad to hear. And they had... That sounds like a Bond villain.

Commodore 64. They had... Commodore 64. A spy who loved me game for the Commodore 64 that I had. And I... Do you remember Yars Revenge for Atari? You just... You had no concept of what was happening on the screen.

The graphics were not good enough to... Yars Revenge and Robotron 2024, also another game of... That's incomprehensible. Yes. Because the graphics aren't good enough to represent anything recognizable. So, There was just... You're in a land of a million boxes. Yeah.

A lot of text input, right? Well, it wasn't. It was actually the Lotus underwater trying to get to it, the Atlantis dome of Stromberg. So you could make it out, but it just was... It wasn't great, but I, you know... I was a big fan of the... I just play that music over and over. I enjoyed the Ghostbusters Commodore 64 game.

I played that quite a bit. Yeah. Those big floppy discs. Mine was a cartridge. I didn't even have... a disc drive. Oh, no? We didn't have a disc drive

and my dad, my stepdad had a cassette memory device. Do you remember that? Yeah, we had that too. Maybe 60% of the time it would work and it took like 40 minutes to memorize a program

and so he wouldn't let me use it. The monitor from the Cominor 64? Oh, you had to use our TV. Well, we had a monitor and it lived long enough for that to become my television in my bedroom through high school. you could do worse

it was pretty good like me I didn't even have a monitor so tomorrow never dies had you seen it yeah I remember going to see it in the theaters good good move because your choices that winter were Titanic yeah on 40 screens that's why I didn't see tomorrow never dies

or spice world I vividly remembered this movie theater time of my life yeah you saying those three movies have now just solely or just soundly put me back into a relationship I was was in at the time because I think I went to see Titanic. But this is the only Bond movie I haven't seen in the theater since Octopus.

Oh my God. How did you miss this? I think I saw Golden Eye and I know this is blasphemous to some people. It just was like, and I'm not buying this Brosnan and it didn't go back. You are fucked up in the head right now, because I'm going to correct you on why this is the greatest James Bond movie of the 90s. Oh, boy, we're going to have words. Jordan, we, we, we're going to have words.

We, surprisingly, our Bond favorites and disfavorits and disfavorites, disfavorants. I just woke up. They line up pretty well. This is really the only one. This is our biggest disagreement. It's funny, I've been listening to the show. I've been enjoying it very much. It's a favorite of your household.

Pop Culture Happy Hour's Glenn Weldon. Oh, yeah. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. Yes. So, yeah, I've heard this movie come up in other podcasts, but this movie is not the topic, and I got really excited. I'm like, oh, good, I get to be there on the day where they disagree.

It's here. It's here. So let's jump into this thing, right? Okay. Let's roll. Let's Tomorrow Never Dies it. All right. Tomorrow Never Notes is what I got. Did you name your notes?

No. Okay. I should have. This little notepad you have, though. I'm sorry. This notepad looks... Do you want me to leave? You got a soft mole skin there?

It got a field note. Oh, I got one of those. Nice. It's nice. Malleable. It's in the back pockets really well. I like that a lot. Bend it.

All right, let's talk about it. I'm sorry I didn't name the notes. So do you guys just want to get Howard Kramer in here or something? Yeah, let's have... You live by the grove, you die by the grove. Oh, Howard. I love Howard. Okay, so here we go.

I thought you were saying that because you know I live by the grove. I do, too. Are we very close neighbors? I think we are. Oh, my God. We'll talk about it up there. Fairfax and Blackburn? Oh, you're on that side.

I'm on the La Brea side. Yeah, facts and blackburn. Okay, guys, it's very important. We open up with the gun barrel sequence, which I believe is reshot for this movie. Okay. The only thing I wrote when that happened was a little on the nose. The film quality, I think, is odd looking.

There's a yellow tinge to him that I don't enjoy. But then we open up on Cold War. Yeah, for an arms bazaar. An arms bizarre. Come one, come on. In quotes. Yeah. As though there were flyers passed out. Yeah, see, already, all the terrorist camp huffs. The very first thing you could watch. Sunday, Farmer's Market.

Yes. Saturday, arms bazaar. There are a lot of chatter happening in MI6. Don't you mean a lot of really heavy-handed exposition? Yes. That's the other thing, is the script is, the exposition is so horrible. It's so... But people didn't know what the fuck GPS was then. But still. Every time the acronym GPS comes up here, people say it with such relish.

GPS, global positioning satellite. Your car is equipped with, you know, rockets, the latest defense technologies, and GPS. Tracking system. All in all, I keep always, I always go into John Cleese as R. but the Arms Bazaar I want to hear a little bit of the... Oh, it's even better. What is it?

A terrorist Arns Bazaar, they should just call it like a MacGuffin garage sale. Yes. What other kind of Armaghs Bazaar is there? Get your MacGuffins here. Terrorist Arms Bazaar. Meaningless tech boxes. By the way, the location they give us

on the Russian border. Oh. A terrorist arms bazaar. Katie, I'm going to play something on here. We're good. to, okay, here we go. Now what we're seeing is a camera in the snow. Very, very James Bond, the thing you would expect to see.

Sure, whatever. And who's got this camera? Oh, it's MI6. That guy, Ricky Jay. Not the most inconspicuous camera in the snow. Yeah, no, I know it's, but... It's also the loudest servo motor in history. And here we are in MI6.

It's not even like under anything. It's just sticking up in the snow. Terrorists. Chinese long march scud, Panther AS 565 attack helicopter, a pair of Russian mortars, and the crates look like American rifles. Chile in mines,

German explosives, fun for the whole family. Jesus. ID's. You see, he did get through, Adam. Start with that chap in the middle. Load the icon.

Database ID search. I had forgotten about the Tokyo subway attack, Until... Oh, right. What is that, yeah, what is that a reference? I thought they were just... It was a real thing. Oh, wow.

Yeah. That seems in bad taste. I'm saying about the tone of this movie. American. Hey, I'm Admiral Jowels. I love this guy. This bit of color commentary. Then he used to be a super lefty and now he sells his politics for cash.

Now he sells his politics for cash. Straight up terrorists. So we're at the, we're at the, we're at my sixth base of operations, right? Uh, which is something I enjoy seeing. in a James Bond movie. You know what I liked about this and kind of something I wanted to see more of is them taking shots

at other country's secret organizations? I like them talking about like, do you think the CIA would be angry about this? Do you think they'll be angry they lost it or angry that they found it? I like that. I would like to see a like a cocktail party

where all the secret organizations get together just are shitty to each other. That'd be fun. That'd be fun. I'd go to that cocktail party. So, of course, we're seeing our What do we call Ricky Jay's character? He's not a henchman.

Exactly, right. He's that... I think it's just a hacker. The tech guy? Yeah, the 90s movie... He's like the blonde guy in... Oh, he's like the black guy, rather, in Die Hard. Okay.

You know, the guy that hacks the computer system for them. His bond analogous character would be like... In Die Another Day, that weird blonde-looking doctor, or for Zorrin in... you to kill the old German doctor. There's always like some German kind of mentor. Here's the missed opportunity. Yeah.

With Ricky Jay in this movie. He's not doing any close up. He's not doing any close of magic. He's also not hurling cards at someone's head to kill them. But there is a deleted scene, right? Of that. Is there? I believe so.

Oh my goodness. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, I am a big Ricky Jay fan. I like his NPR commentary's a lot. I think those are insightful. I like his little exhibit at the Museum of Jurassic Technology. I am a Ricky J fan. Sure, me too. I think I know where you're going with this.

He looks like he doesn't know how to be in a movie. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't. He's not sure that he's in a movie? Yeah. And when the camera is in. He's acting with the disinterest that the waitresses lead singer lady sang. Hey, guys. Look at, if you're watching this movie after this podcast, or before. That'd be the wise decision. Yes. Watch Ricky Jay and then just listen to his voice and realize that there's no way those are the two same people. You know, it's funny. I heard that, uh, oh, does he get over? No, he doesn't. I'm just saying his actual voice does not in any way match with his person. He had a little part in, oh gosh, the Christian Bale, Hugh Jackman, magician movie.

Yeah, the prestige. And I guess he was famously overdubbed for that because they thought his voice was too weird. It is weird. Really? Yeah, so I did not. I think when you watch that movie, that is not Ricky Jay's voice, and I think he's famously angry about it. That did not strike me as a thing, watching him. But I've seen him speak so many times that I just always have associated that.

There's something odd. Like, there's something oddly contemporary. Like, he almost sounds like a young woman or something, just in his, his dial. Well, we're never going to get him on our close-up magic podcast now. That's true. You ruined it. I'm sorry. Can I say that, though, I...

Maybe you can get him on your circus side show podcast, though. I hope so. Also something he's an expert in. By the way, Bond does something here in this movie, Pierce Brousman's James Bond and his Armani leather jacket. He, so here's the deal, guys. set the stage for the viewer, or listener rather,

assuming they haven't viewed the movie. James Bond is there. He's at this terrorist Oz Bazaar on the Russian border. And he is, he's got to make sure that they are... First Sunday of every month, by the way. So what, here's my question.

You know what I like about going to the terrorist bazaar is you get your scud missiles and they're fresh. Yeah. They're fresh. There's not pesticides on them. No, and don't even get me started about some of the vintage RPGs they have there.

Don't even... I mean, they need work, but they're beautiful. Have you seen the handcrafted cozies for the M magazines for the M16? Adorable. They are great. And all the money goes to terrorism. The hipsters are a little rough. Getting through the crowd of hipsters is tough.

But so here's, I don't understand. Small batch flame throwers. But it makes, this already makes no sense why James Bond is here. Why is James Bond at this arm's bazaar? If their, their two options are send in the Russian military or, fire a missile at it. There's no reason for James Bond to be there. This script is the worst script

I've ever written for this one. But James Bond's there, so buckle in, okay? Some action's going to happen. James now, this is the first time of the two times in this movie, he uses the old lighter punch trick. That's right. Wait, is this a James Bond

like, you know, a stalwart James Bond trick? No, it's something Pierce Browson picked up in a pub in Ireland, I'm sure. He does it in when he's in Thailand, Hong Kong. Yes. He does it again?

No, no. He does it in, uh, aren't they in Singapore? Singapore. Right. Sorry. Listen, we're all racist. I had honestly checked out. We don't know which aged country.

I also watched this movie two weeks ago, so that's part of the problem. I watched it last night. Oh, geez. And this morning. Finished it this morning. Can I say, though, this is obviously not a favorite of mine. David Arnold's score is fantastic for this movie. Yeah, you know, I, for the most part, really, really liked the music in the movie,

uh, except for, maybe. be including I enjoyed and hated a couple of parts in the movie where it goes into

full on late night showtime mode like there are a couple like soprano sax moments in this movie

that are bonkers he does an interesting thing where because the movie is mostly in

Germany he goes for a real German techno kind of a score I don't know I was hearing

these kind of just Barry references and stuff throughout I don't know. Well, what's interesting is he got criticized,

they got criticized for not using the James Bond theme enough in Golden Eye. Yeah, it's in it a ton. They sort of overdid it here as a response. You know, sometimes that happens. Like, we're responding right now

to the fact that we criticize these movies too much. Right. You don't give a shit because you hate this movie. I don't, like I said, I don't hate it. It's just my least favorite Bond movie

and it needs to... Wait a second. What? You previously... just said it was your least favorite Brosnan movie so now you're putting this at the bottom of the list of all the movies I meant to say least favorite Bond movie this is my least favorite James Bond

movie what the fuck is wrong with you what there's so much but there's so much to like in this movie there's so many subtle little things to really you're gonna have to point him out as I go along I will point them okay so first of all let's talk about this action sequence okay this action sequence not not terrible James Bond has to grab a jet

and fly it away but again I just I just hate when just Bonn can, he just can fly any jet, you know? Give me, ground me in reality a little bit, or go full Roger Moore. Full more. But, you know. But I enjoyed this action scene quite a bit when I was a kid. I liked ejecting the guy behind him. Into the other plane.

That is so crazy. That's like straight out of face off. Yeah, exactly. It's insanity. And it's funny because, yeah, I mean, you could tell they were kind of reacting to movies like that. To your, I don't know. I don't know specifically the years on all these, but Face Off, the Rock, Mission Impossible, too,

all those kind of John Wooey. Oh, yeah, you're right in there. You're right in that. Oh, that's why Michelle Yeo's in this, too. Yeah, that's exactly why Michelle Yeo's in this. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, you could tell that, you know, they were trying to, you know,

give the kids what they wanted in terms of, like, crazy, kind of goofy action. So James, sorry, I just unplugged the thing, and I'm asking to take it. If you heard of Papa at home, that was our fault. So the What I enjoy is the The firing of the jet engine

Of the MIG jet engine Into the shattering of the glass That leads us into the opening credits That's right So now welcome to Dr. Gorlass's magical song molasses Where we go through the alternate options for James Bond theme songs This is basically my favorite feature on the show I'm glad to be here live for it

Because this one is bonkers. There are so many because they basically said... Please say there's one by corn. No. But you're going to get pulp, St. Etienne, Swan Lee, Dot Allison, Straw. And then, of course, the K.D. Lang original that plays at the end of the movie. So the producers basically put out a sort of secret contest to songwriters and said, like, we're looking for the next Bond song. will you submit and didn't really tell any of the other people that they were doing that.

So I think all of these people thought, oh, this is a real option. I'll write the song and do this. And they turned it in. Oh, and they all thought it was going to be the James Bond song. And then they found out, I'm sorry, 80 other people were doing this. And so I've looked at some interviews with like St. Antion and there were like, we didn't know.

And Jarvis Cocker from Pulp took his and released it as a single called Tomorrow Never Lies. Wasn't that the original title of the movie? Was it? I think just in my general Wikipedia browsing, original title was Tomorrow Never Lies, but they faxed it over to MGM and the ink ran, and they thought it was Tomorrow Never Dies, and they just loved that title so much. Oh my God, I never heard that. Yeah. Anyway, so here's Pulp doing Tomorrow Never Lies.

It's got a little classy feel, too. It's a little swing. It swings a little bit. It's a long song, so we won't go through the whole thing. But it is a little... Really a long Jarvis Cocker song? That doesn't track. It is a lazy song.

I mean, it's just, there we go. There we go. Picks up. We'll just go to the hook or the chorus of each of these. Did he say Shithouse? This sounds like a 70s Bowie song kind of. Yeah, that's what it does sound like. I don't know how Bond is.

ends up sounding, but it's very bowie. It is very boe. Yeah. I think it probably wasn't the right fit. Okay. So, here comes St. Etienne and this little sort of wispy little number. Starts off sounding kind of Bondy, and then just gets a little sweet. Right now I'm just sort of really hearing why Sheryl Crow's song was pictures.

Yeah, none of these will jump out as, oh, they should have done that. Yeah. You know, what the hell were they thinking? And I also heard them in an interview say, like, I've heard all the other ones. I think ours was the best. Everyone thinks theirs was the most. This is sound like something that's playing in music. Yeah.

She just doesn't have the voice, you know? There's also the, uh, there's like a very 70-s sounding guitar. In the background. What's your guys take on? Adele song. I like it. We love it. I also love it.

Yeah. We love it, right? Yeah, we do. I feel like, yeah. I mean, I feel like that has the kind of, like, sex appeal that you want from one of these. It's darkness to it. Yeah. Here it is.

And the orchestration, which I think is key. And a James Bond song. It's fucking, I like a symphony behind it. That's fair. I feel like in the 90s, the 90s just maybe weren't that sexy a decade. No, you're right. And I feel like maybe. all of these styles and

singers like, I don't know, sex appeal went away for a couple years? Is that? Sex appeal? It may have. It disappeared. No one fucked from the years. Guys, where'd sex appeal go? This is Swan Lee with Tomorrow Never Dies. Swanley. Maybe we won't

go through all these. They're just very... That's interesting. Oh. I could be wrong, but I'm not sure she ever says tomorrow never dies. This sounds like this sounds like 1997 to me. Sure.

And they really went for a type, too, other than pulp. Like, they're going for these kind of breathy girl singers. This sounds like Robin and... Right. The cardigans. Yeah, the cardigans. Yeah. You know, they might have been able to pull it off

because they were kind of retro-sounding. Yeah, actually, did you make a mistake? Is this from the soundtrack to The Craft? This is from singles. No, that wouldn't be right. That would be grunt. Sorry. Oh, I'm at reality fights. All right.

That all works. This maybe seems the closest to do that. Oh, there is. Tomorrow Never does. Okay. Great. So this one's going to seem weird, but this is Dot Allison, and I kind of like this song, but not for a Bond song at all. Why, they love their intros. It's called Tomorrow Never Comes.

You know what? This may have never been associated with the Bond film, and I just... You just searched Tomorrow Never? Yeah, because there's so many alternate endings to that phrase. Very pretty. Very Lilith Fair. Where's the Lisa Loeb Bond song? That's the one I want to hear. Because it'll make me think about Lisa Loeb, which I enjoy.

I think it's this Cheryl Crow song that we ended up getting. Yeah, maybe that's the closest thing. I don't see how this could have started a Bond movie. Yeah, this isn't like a montage of someone doing heroin. That's what this is for. Yeah. There's a drag. It's like for, yeah.

I still would take it over that Madonna song, though. Okay, okay. We've had enough. All right. So this band Straw, for all I can gather, just did an album of what we would do for Bond songs. And this is their world. Oh, this is a world is not enough.

Never mind. All right. And then the last one, of course, is, uh, sorry, it's coming up. Ms. Katie Lang. Yes, Katie Lang. And it's called Surrender. And it was the original title song that David Arnold wrote. And that's why you hear a lot of these themes throughout the movie.

Same thing with No Good About Goodbye for Quantum of Salas, that it was then shit-canned and still left throughout the entire movie, and I think both of those would have been better choices. Here we go. I like this song. You don't like this song. I don't like this song. I love it.

I love it. Come on. Right. Classic. Classic. Listen that. Brass. And then a spaceship took off.

He sure did. I like this song, I think, quite a bit. Matt, the more I think about, the more I think that the Fiona Applemon song is something, I would still like to hear. Yeah, I think that's probably a perfect choice. Yeah, what is that little noise in there that sounds like a predator or something? Bonstering on his cloaking device. This is, this one's just, it's ballsy, it's brassy, it's brassy.

you know. The thing I love about David Arnold is he puts in those bup-p-pub-pub-pubs a lot in this movie like John Barry. You know what I'm talking about, Matt? What are you doing, man? I'm looking right now, I'm looking at the... I want more information on the song. On this song?

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, this seems like the safe choice. I can see how they would maybe think just make a little bit more fashion. Yeah. Kids would react to this. And I guess they didn't... Like they would the hip young,

Cheryl Crow, who the kids love. I know. By kids, I mean moms getting margaritas. I saw Cheryl Crow, she had, listen, I'm a fan of the Dave Matthews band.

Anyway, she opened for the Dave Matthews band at Fenway Park. They did two shows back-to-back nights. Her set list was the same set list. Oh, really? Bullshit. What if Dave Matthews did a bond song?

I can't imagine it being great. Time to cure or care. I don't know what you're trying to do there. The producers are like, listen, we think Bond movies are too high stakes. They need to be more chill. We need a super-chill bond movie. Well, listen, okay, so now let's talk about the visual aspect of the opening credits. All right.

I love it. I love the x-ray. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I like seeing inside the gun. I like seeing the clip go in the gun. You like seeing inside this very watch right here. It's pretty good, right? You thought you would have seen it for the world is not enough because there's an x-ray scene.

Yeah. But I think what happened was they had so much fun making that opening. They were like, let's make a scene of this. Yeah, you're probably right. It is, I mean, it is so, like, you know, computers are involved in this. Like, look at these circuit boards. The, uh, guys, circuit boards, right? Come on, kids.

Computer, right? Yeah, future. You kids like computers. We're officially in the future. It is so funny how this is a, you know, this is a movie that has that, like, techno-hacker. element to it, but no one mentions the internet ever. The internet is around now, like, right? You're right, huh?

Yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised it wasn't more of an internet-based movie in some way, if they're going for current. Yeah. So here's the, I'll read the entry about the songs. The theme song was chosen through a competitive process. There were 12 submissions, including songs from Swan Lee, Pulp, St. Etienne, Mark Almond, Cheryl, and David Arnold.

Crow's song was chosen for the main titles, while Arnold's song Surrender, performed by Katie Lang, which you're hearing right now, was used of the end titles. It's melody cropping up throughout the film. This was the fourth Bond film to have a different opening and closing songs. Two different versions of the soundtrack album were released, the first lacking music from the second

half of the film and the second lacking the songs. Pulp's effort was retitled Tomorrow Ever Lies and appeared as a B-side on their single Help Be Aged. Moby created a remake of the original James Bond theme to be used for the movie. Oh my God, I completely forgot about that. He also had a music video.

Yeah. Where he was in it like a tux or something. Yeah, he was running around. No, Moby. Very techno-y. No, Moby. Anyway. Moby's spit out.

So that's, uh, that's that. Uh, so, okay, great. Movie opens. Yeah, can I say, sorry. Yeah, go ahead. Just, if you just want one little capsulized moment about my feelings in this movie, it's when Brosnan is in the jet and he's being choked by the guy behind him. Watch his choke acting.

Watch his choke acting. Do you think his choke? So, okay. It's chakting. That's a chokting. So here's the premise of this movie. After the credits are done, we open up on... Many cameos?

The HMS Devonshire, right? Whatever. Is it the Devonshire? And that is... God, it's 22 minutes before we see Bond again. Really? Wow. Katie, I'm going to pull the cord on this. We can take that down for a second.

Thank you. While you're plugging in, let's list some of the cameras. cameos in this movie. That aren't even necessarily cameos, maybe before they're famous, but Julian Fellows is in this opening scene. He created Downton Abbey. Gerard Butler is one of the sailors on the Navy boat. Did you catch that? Hugh Bonneville is in it from Downton Abbey. The old German Nazi from Last Crusade is in this movie, too. Did you catch him? Yes. Yeah, all I got. Anyway, that concludes Matt Goarly's spot the cameo section. We'll get to Michael G. Wilson when it comes up, because it's coming up right now. Jeffrey Palmer, also in the movie.

Who's that? He was the Admiral. Oh, Admiral Jowels. Yes, and he was also in as time goes by, which is the show, the sitcom, on BBC where he played whose wife? Judy Dench's husband, rather. He played Judy Dench as a husband. Who played his wife?

Judy Dench. If Judy Dench is your wife, it's hard for you to not be called wife yourself. But I think that that's probably very confusing to those at home who are like, used to seeing them like that. Yeah, that would be like seeing Bill Cosby

and Felicia. Richard. Although it's fun if you look at it as time goes by a press photo and you just imagine that it's

Amin the Admiral having a good dinner, having a fun picnic. But they're attractive children. Yes, indeed. I think as far as like, you know,

resumes go, I think the most interesting thing about this movie looking at all the participants on Wikipedia is that the director also directed Stopper My Mom Will Shoot Yes. Holy shit. I know. And Turner Houcher too. Wow. Can you believe that? I can't believe he didn't cram a dog in this or an old lady or something. Yeah I'm surprised there's no like you know reaction shots or animals. That says a lot to me. That says a lot to me. That's one of my favorite episodes of how this get made is the Stopper My Mom will shoot episode. That's a

banana's movie. It's a fucking, it's crazy. So yeah I mean like clearly this is a guy who who blends, who likes to blend action and comedy in a not always successful way. Here's the thing though, I feel like a lot of it was successful. And I, you know, forgive me

for being, uh, what was this, 97, uh, 14 when this movie came out. But that's right in the wheelhouse of when you're going to like this movie. That's why I think I like a lot of those Roger Morris. Yeah. But I also like a lot of those Roger Morris. Like I, I, I can come except for this one time. I can come down to your level.

Join me down here, Matt. Come on, join me. But yeah, on that same note, where you're 14 and like this is in your wheelhouse, I'm 24 and it's in my wheelhouse to hate everything at that age because young men in their 20s are the worst. And so it doesn't, this kind of was doomed in the first place. Brosnan was probably doomed for me in the first place

because I'm watching at that point train spotting and, you know, yeah. I'm not defending it. But you saw Titanic. And I still have never seen Titanic. I loved Titanic at the time. So I did have some lapses in judgment. I don't know why I couldn't do it for this.

Okay, so let's talk about the premise of this movie. Okay, this is the, we talked a little bit about Jonathan Price. Jonathan Price playing an over-the-top villain who is a media mogul who owns every facet of the media. They call him the Emperor of the Air, which I thought was a great. He owns everything, newspapers, magazines, TV. I want it all. What's this one other thing? 24 hours.

Brick and mortar books. Stores, eight tracks, laser discs, I want everything. Gupta, I want you to buy me borders, books, and music. Sam Goody will be mine. Circuit City. Let's hear a little sample of Jonathan Price. John Willis's Pager Emporium will no longer see. I'm going to hear a little bit of a John Prys.

A new Coke that will decimate the old Coke. Sorry, man. Imagine Pepsi. If it were clear. You're mad, you're mad. Make it so... You'll kill us all. I want films. I want TV. I want radio. I want us on the air 24 hours a day. This is our moment. And a billion people around this planet will watch it, hear it, and read about it from the Carver Media Group.

Okay, pause it, pause it, pause it, here's my problem. Okay. Look at his face I know I'm actually not complaining about his acting It's his choices I think Because he has to play This nutball

He's a psychotic nutball And he's facing a screen Full of people Who are probably No doubt involved In dubious affairs But for him to To deliver it to those people

That way Even those people would go Shit I got a lot riding on this I'm invested in This is a crazy man I'm pulling out He should be selling it to them rational

you know? Yeah, I think that's the thing that's that's the thing that makes this movie such a goofball movie. It's not necessarily this premise, which is, you know, which is fine. You can do a, you can do a version of this that, you know, that makes sense. Yeah. This does not make sense. No, I want those people on the screens to be looking at each other, Brady Bunch style, but like, what's this guy doing? But he is just, he is so evil.

He's never not evil. He is, he never like appeals to the rational. Exactly. That's interesting that you say that. he's never not evil because there are moments with a lot of the other villains either with you know even something as little as blowfilled petting his cat exactly you know where there is some sort of humanity in there what it is is pure uh well you have action drama and then this is pure melodrama he's a pure villain and there's no goodness and bond is you know basically pure good even though

he's an anti-hero and it becomes uninteresting because there's no dimension to him you know yeah but there is one dimension and it's bonkers Yeah. It's a fun dimension, but you need something to set it against. Well, let's hear how this man meets with people. Okay. Oh, God. Face 2 is underway.

I have the videotape. Sexy Teddhirti. I haven't seen it myself, but I'm told the footage is actually his muscle guy, his thug is also like in charge of tech stuff? I know. Like, this guy just does everything. His thug is also boat captain. He's like an naval captain.

He can also, yeah, he can also pilot the stealth boat. You can guarantee there were two characters. characters combined to the one for that. It's also like he serves him his meals. He's just an all-purpose thug. I do,

here's the thing though. I do like, and I will say this, there's something to this movie now watching it 15 years later. Just something about his plan is to launch a new network,

but he wants the perfect news story to go with it. So he decides to make it. Boy, and you know, it's so, this is so, tone deaf to what people watch on TV. Sure.

It's, I mean, it's so, you would think that, like, if he was being realistic, like, to inflame passions and to get people to, you know, to deify his network, he would be, do something like, he would be planning, like, we should convince people that they're trying to outlaw Christmas. That's right. We'll construct a war on Christmas. Like international affairs don't get the public riled up like this. They just don't.

But World War III might. That's true. It is so extreme. But this is him... Who was pointing out on Twitter something that he... Who said this? It was brilliant. He basically has an iPad right there.

And if he would just develop that, he would be so much more successful. I'm sorry to whoever you were, it was brilliant, and I wish I could credit you. The, it's, it's very, so here he is. He pulls up a bunch of four by three screens. This, Justin. By a curious quirk of fate, we have the perfect story with which to launch our satellite news network tonight. It seems a small crisis is growing in the South China. He's going for it.

I want full newspaper coverage. It's sexual in a weird way. But he's like he has a weird breathing rhythm he's developed for the character too. I want us on the air 20. hours a day. This is our moment. Now, we obviously just heard this, but... I like him checking in on his various companies

to see how devious they're being. Yeah, let's just get a daily evil check. It's the worst. There's no news. Like bad news. He's really going for it. You've got to like that performance. I do, but it doesn't...

I know. It is such a... It is so... The script is so stupid. Now, here's... Here's where we start... This is my first. favorite chunk of this movie. The next 10 minutes of this movie. Here we are outside Oxford

University. Okay. James Bond is in there. How do we know he's in there? Well, sure, you hear some audio up top, but you'll also see the Aston Martin DB5 parked out front, which lets you know that that's his car. He's driving that. He's still driving that. He had it in Golden Eye. He's driving

him driving to MI6. Oh, wait, have they got, did they do the part where they talked about they're going to release the president's sex tape? Yes. Release it anyway. Yes. Consider him slimed. The guy says, That's,

Consider him slime. I like that we're in... That's Michael G. Wilson. Yeah. I like that we're in a world where a, the president has a sex tape out, but no one's talking about that. I know.

That's actually, that seems to me to be the better plan almost. Like, that's more disruptive to the world that this, you know, this skirmish between China? No fly zone with China. Yeah.

If you watch Ronan and Jonathan Price's performance in that is the polar opposite so it's not like the guy's not a versatile actor you know he it's just he probably was directed this way by this guy who directed stop or my mom will shoot because what you're seeing here is probably what he was telling Sylvester Stallone at the time

this is the first of two this is the first of two in this movie wait sorry what he couldn't get Sylvester Stallone to do he took out on someone that could do it and he's like finally I can get someone to do this shit I want and Jonathan Bryce was like

oh, I can do it. Do you want it? Should you? It's the same thing with building a nuclear bomb just because you can. It doesn't mean you should. Yeah. I mean, I think, I think, I mean, you guys have talked about the Brosnan movies and tone issues a lot. And I think it's right on. And I think this movie is a great example of them wanting it both ways.

Of them wanting a kind of campy, you know, romp, but also something that's a little more serious. It just, yeah, doesn't always fit. You know, we had some issues with Skyfall, but I think it is maybe what Skyfall. gets right, it's the reverse version of it. So this is too much drama followed by too much comedy. And Skyfall has a lot of drama with some good little moments of humor and camp and stuff like that. Yeah. Well, it's like you're running, this movie is like running with an elastic behind your back.

And then as soon as you get to the most dramatic or whatever part, it swings you back to the other direction. It's too pendulous. Yeah. It brings you back to this fucking, like, crazy line or character. but this is the first of two there's two scenes in this movie which I refer to as British offs Oh I'm in I'm in

There are two British offs in this movie Where you have three English character actors Attempting to see Who's the most British Oh God And I just want to play a little bit Of the first British off

Which happens in MI6 It was an unprovoked attack On a ship in international waters We said send in the fleet for recovery and prepare for full retaliation. Moderation, we investigate and stop short of sending the entire British Navy within ten minutes of the world's largest air force. When will our ships be in position?

48 hours. Christ, Christ, we're already screaming for blood. The last thing we want to do is escalation. She should do a spit take with tea, right? They should do a spit take with her afternoon tea. There's 17 British sailors murdered. According to Vietnamese officials who recovered the bodies, the victims were riddled with the same ammunition used by the Chinese Air Force.

Did you use this? Well, it was an M60s, I know it wasn't. It's the first I've heard of it. Well, this sells it. We sent in the fleet. M, you have 48 hours to investigate. He won. Yeah, he absolutely and fellow.

You have 48 hours between me. fiesta guy out. He was actually in a cricket uniform that we should point out he was great actually every time they cut to him

he was surrounded by lawn it was weird it was weird but this is this is the only time this is a fun little bit of trivia and I could be wrong

about this but I think this is the only time you see Pierce Brosnan in a three piece suit really yeah I love when you and I both

do this we sometimes say a fact and then go well I could be wrong but also we would like to reiterate that this is

not a journalist There's little to no journalism going on. Or facts. Most of this shit were just making up. Yeah. Yeah. But the phenomenon of the British...

Did you know Loufriigno was a bond for six movies? That's amazing. I wasn't aware of that. I'll have to check Wikipedia. Those were the musical bonds, right? Oh, they were great. So, okay, so we've left British off number one. And now we're heading over to one of my favorite scenes in all of the James bonds. I do like this scene. And, yeah. They've got... They're under a time crunch. Yeah. So how the fuck are they going to do this? He's got to fly out of there immediately.

So they hop in a fucking Rolls-Royce with a police escort, and they are bombing around. Oh, God. Yeah, this is the drinking liquor in the worst place to be drinking liquor. Didn't they learn nothing from Princess dying? She hadn't died, had she. She only found our sailors three hours ago. How'd they get the paper out so fast? Somebody at tomorrow knew before the Vietnamese government did.

How much do you know about Elliot Carver, W7? Worldwide media ban. able to topple governments with a single broadcast. Carver owns that newspaper tomorrow. I didn't want to discuss it in front of the minister, but that mysterious signal came from one of Carver's satellites. PM would have my head if you knew you were investigating him. I'm sending you to Hamburg, 007.

We've arranged for you to be invited to-night at a party of Carver's media center. Being told what he's doing. It's got good urgency. I like this scene. To reach every human being on the earth. Money pennies up front? the Chinese. They time to make a couple of pussy-eating jokes.

Before you get up the police. She hands him. Your ticket, cover story and rental car is efficient. Yeah, it's good. Sign here, please. I'm dying for that again. I believe you once had a relationship with Carver's wife. Look what's happening in this movie you hate.

No, I like this. The problem is it sets itself up to be great. I didn't realize it was public knowledge. Just takes a massive British shit. Your job is to find out whether Carver or someone in his organization. I love this scene. Look, she's got fucking scotch. Use your relationship with Mrs. Carver if necessary.

I doubt if she'll remember me. Remind her. Then pump her for information. That's the way you do it. How much pumping is needed, James. It seems like. Now that he's gotten his dossier, his mission dossier, where is he headed now? What's the next scene?

Is it not Denmark or something? Oh, no. Yeah, he goes to Germany. Yeah. And who does he have to go see first? The lady. The quartermaster. Oh.

Now he immediately sees Q. Again, this is exactly what we want in a James Bond movie. He works at Avis. Oh, yes. See, this is product placement for Avis. It's my bureau, hat nine auto-reservient. Now, this is Desmond Llewell and second to last appearance in the movie. Now, let's hear this.

I mean, I think we're used to like, we're used to product placement in Bond movies at this point. There's the watches. There's the B&Ws. but them having such a pedestrian brand like Avis. And later, I think we mentioned he's doing shots of Smyrnaff at some point. But in fairness, too, James, in this movie. Sure. In Dr. No, the man's drinking Smyranoff.

I feel like after this Avis scene, he has to go to a state farm kiosk and get rental insurance. But it is Desmond Llewellyn's second to last movie. Let's put him in a real dignified sport coat. If you just sign here, Mr. Bond. This is great. I love it when Q goes undercover and has to meet him in the field. It's a beautiful car. That'd be funny if he worked at Cinnabon the next time he came to the airport.

Is it in coverage? Yes. Fire? Probably. Property destruction? Definitely. Personal injury. I hope not.

But accidents do happen. They frequently do with you. Well, that takes care of the norm of wear and tear. Do I need any other protection? Only from B.W7, unless you bring that car back in pristine order. Pierce, Prasden, doesn't seem, shall we? Shall we?

Doesn't seem conscious of when what he's saying comes off like a sexual innuendo. He seems like he's trying to fuck this old man. Throughout this whole scene, I'm like... Go back and planning. Wear it, wear and tear, like the wear and tear on your pussy, that I'm about to... Well, what he's doing is over-the-top acting of checking, looking at his blazer. That's what he's doing.

I want to watch it with the understanding that he's trying to have sex with you. We're sorry we're replaying this audience. Just think of insurance damage. Handsome, Pierce, Proust, of this. Old British Fobb. Will you need collision coverage? Yes. It's the looks.

Yeah. Probably. Property destruction? Definitely. Personal. Injury. I hope not. But accidents do happen.

Oh, my God. I might accidentally fuck you. Look at him. Oh, God, that's so much. Yeah, it's like Pierce Brosnan, like, oh, yeah, Bond. He's sexy, right? He's a sexy guy. But, like, no, not all the time.

Not to everyone. To women, to beautiful women. That was Morris take on it. I've got mine. From the ages of 14 to probably 22 years old, this, this, this, this, you. This BMW 750 was the car I wanted the most. Oh, wow. Yeah, I was going to ask, so something that I never really connected with in the Bond movies.

Like, I've never been like a stuff guy. I've never been a guy who covets, you know, watches and cars and suits and stuff like that. You mean you're not materialistic like Matt? I don't think it's, I don't think it's materialism. I think it's a love of the finer things. But yeah, so I was kind of wondering when I saw this car if this was a car that Bond fans. liked. No. Okay. It's not because it's a sedan. And the, yeah, and the BMW thing I think was such a blip on his radar. It didn't feel, it felt more marketed. It was very, very marketed. Although,

I do vividly remember the commercials they had for the BMW Z3, which was a British court. The commercial was a British court and they were charging, uh, people with powdered wigs. They were charred, yeah, pretty powdered wigs, the barristers, the whole thing. Uh, they were, uh, charging James Bond with driving a BMW. And then nothing happens in the courtroom. And then they say, on the wrong side of the road. And then everyone gasps.

Was there a James Bond character in the commercial? No, but it was a tie-in with Golden Eye. Oh, interesting. Yeah. But this, okay, so this is a BMW 750 IL. That's the long wheelbase. That's what the L stands for in the IL, okay? Okay.

They now, they still make a 7-5. but it's now the LI, the L comes first, I don't know why. The naming scheme changed in 2003. The I technology, you know, the BMWs got the, there's a bunch of I, the 328I, the, it's just in their naming scheme. So the 750 IL, this car I thought was fucking amazing. So this car, if you were to buy this brand new back then, no one cares about this but me, but this is about $120,000. Oh my God. For this sedan.

You're kidding. Yeah, loaded, a loaded. Because it's remote control? No, but a loaded BMW 750 is going to run you up into the hundreds. Seriously? Yeah. Even, what is it today? What would that be today?

They're still about 150 and 120. I think the base price is like 87,000 or something like that. Are you serious? I didn't know idea. So when you see what you're on the road. Your new BMW 750, all the usual refinements, machine guns, rockets, the GPS tracking system. Now it just looks like Pierce Bros and that you put that in my head wants to fuck that car.

He wants to fuck everything. Welcome. Please fasten seatbelt and obey all instructions for a safe trip. Thought you'd pay more attention to a female voice. You raddy old devil. I am not interested in your solely escapades. Forget to which pocket he put the cell phone in? Your new telephone.

Talk here. Listen here. So that's what I've been doing wrong all these years. Look. It also includes a fingerprint scanner and a 20,000 volt security system, and this I'm particularly proud of. The remote control for your car. Tap twice.

I had that cell phone. Oh, really? Now, draw your finger very slowly across the pad to drive the car. I do like when he backed it into the... It's a 5-liter V-12 in that car. Oh, really? much horsepower in that thing. I love that he's not good at it, man.

That's a Brioni overcoat. Okay, don't ask. Great, don't ask. Breoni suits. Brioi was the suitmaker for Pierce Rosnin through Casino Royal. He made Dan Craig's first suits, and then they switched to Tom Ford. How do you feel about that? The Tom Ford's are great.

They're a little more expensive than the briois. Okay. But, you know, they're a great suit. Welcome to our session. We call Fashion Chat, where we check it with Matt Mary. He tells us the thread count of any sort of camel-mohair wool. Why is the announcer for my own show? pronouncing my last name wrong.

Well, part of the problem is I drink, I have a stutter and a bit of a bit of a neural problem. It was nice of you to hire it, Matt. Yeah, well, it clearly needs the job. He has a lot of problems. I got to do. I go right right from here to the curb. I love, and if you're getting this episode a little later than normal, it's because we're recording it today.

That's right. It was a busy week. And also, we've already gone a really long time, and we are 29 minutes into the morning. Well, my notes stop. They just fall off precipitous. as I just crashed. I find that with most of the James Bond movie. So, okay, so guys, let's talk about the, very quickly.

Thoughts on the car. Matt Goreley. None. No thoughts on the car. Well, I just, the BMW doesn't work for me. Give me back the Aston Martin or give me cake. No comment on... That means.

No. Oh, the remote, the whole thing. No comments on like how stocked it was, how much gadgets it had. Just, yeah, I've never been one for the car full of things, even the ass and Martin. Like, I liked it maybe once in Goldfinger and maybe the Lotus, but I don't think it needs to be redone anymore, you know. You know, a scene that I really like, something I kind of enjoyed watching was all the thugs trying to break into the car and not being able to do it. That was kind of, that was surprisingly comical to me. It's some good, it's good, it's good prop acting by those guys with sledgehammers.

Oh, I'll have to look for that. But it seems like something happens, and it's part of the action scene that the windows get blown. out so he can duck and like a rocket goes through the broken window and hits another car a cool moment but how did those windows get broken if those thugs couldn't break them it seems like they were shooting shattered it seems like they just get shattered randomly yeah guys you're finding holes in your own movie um when they in four your eyes only when he has that really souped up car in the beginning and they guys hit it with their rifle butts and it blows up yeah that was john glenn saying we've gone too far with these cars let's just blow this thing up and he has to go in

this little French, what is it? Citrion. Citriand. I feel like, okay, there, we're done. You know? And then this comes back around. So, uh, all right. So he gets the car from Q.

We've seen Q. Yeah. So so far, we've seen the bad guy's plan. Mission has been established. He's been given a dossier. Yeah. He's flown to a location. He's met Q.

He's got his car. He's got his gadgets. He's ready to go. Already everything we want from a James Bond movie. And somehow, this is still your least favorite James Bond movie. Yeah. Did you not see the dossier, Matt? I did.

What did you think? in the dossier. He handed him. He handed it. Physical paper on paper. Sure. Listen, the standard formula does not a good James Bond movie make. Pass it, he got his passport, he got his cover story, and he got his rental car reservation. All the more reason I don't like this movie for setting it up to be a good James Bond movie and then crashing hard. Yeah, I would be kind of curious to hear where you think it takes the turn. Like, is there something that happens where you're like, now I can't even give this a chance? I think right when Carver's giving his big speech and it's just so melodramatic.

And then the other thing that I have a big problem with is it's coming up is when Paris and Bond meet and he says, did I get too close? Or she says, did I get too close? And he says yes. And they're setting it up like she's almost this Tracy character, this love of his life. And yet you have no history of it. You have no sense of what that is. And you're supposed to take it on faith and feel bad that when she dies, it's really big for him. But they give you nothing. And it just feels like there's another tone shift when you go from that to, you always were a cunning linguist or is that the other movie? No, though this says cunning linguists That's earlier with the Danish When he's brushing up on a little Danish Oh, screw. And then here's what I don't

Here's a joke I don't understand In that moment, he's like, I'm brushing up On a little Danish and she says, What do you mean little? I don't know, I'm like What do you mean Danish? I'm sorry, I'm fucking a huge Danish woman. Yeah, exactly.

It seems like something a guy would say to, like, when you insulted his dick. Yeah. Like, if she was saying, I'm brushing up on a, you know, a little British. A little British. And he says, what do you mean little? But it's like, I don't know, do women want to be called large? Do they not like being called small?

I don't know. I don't know. Guys, I don't understand broads, huh? Who does? Who does? So, let's hear a little bit of Terry Hatcher. Again, every interview you saw with Terry Hatcher and Michelle Wee was, them saying how their

bond girls were different from other bond girls. Every bond girl gets convinced that their bond girl is different from other bond girls. And the only ones that have been are Tracy and Vesper. End of story. Everyone else is interchangeable. Maybe you can make the argument that Camille from Quantum of Solace is because she doesn't sleep with them.

And she does in the shower. No, that's, that's... Oh, I'm sorry. I'm thinking of Skyfall. Yes, Camille, because she's just out for revenge and doesn't fuck him. Yeah. She's the most different. She's the most different.

Maybe. Well, they kiss, and she almost kind of pulls away from him. You know, like, I'm not going to mess. This guy's, I thought I was damaged. Yeah. Jesus. This guy's head looks like an old addict. As far as, like, Bond Babes go, I think...

Carousel horses in it. Sorry. I went away. There have been a rough week. As far as Bond Babes go, one of the most memorable ones to me is the redhead that he has that little affair with in Quantum of Solis. and they end up like dunking her in oil. Yeah.

Anyway, as far as like Bond Babes that I remember my jaw dropping a little bit over, she's definitely one of the top. As far as like you found the most attractive? Yes, yeah, yeah. Okay. But I know, I mean, I know she's a non-character. Very good answer. She's a non-character there just to motivate him.

And I actually, I believe we agree on this, besides Lana Wood, who I just put in her own little character. I like Lana Wood. Yeah. It's Thunderball's guy. Oh, Fiona Vospe? Phyona Vope, I think, is the best. She's amazing.

She's in the most boring movie, which she's the most fun to look at. I just love her character, though, too, her acting, and Mr. Bun James Bond. She's just great all around. And, you know, I don't, and, hey, Terry Hatcher's easy on the eyes. She's got very 90s hair in this. She's a good actor's in this, too. 14-year-old me jerked off to her without her dress on, like nobody's business. Maybe my favorite Terry Hatcher thing that's ever happened.

It's in Tango and Cash, where she works at the quintessential non-sexy 80s strip club, the strip club where nothing sexy happens. So Jumbo's Clown Room. So, yeah, basically Jumbo's Clown Room. Yeah, like, it feel like in the 80s, like they had such weird ideas of what went on in a strip club, but it's nothing enjoyable. It's all these costumes and pageantry, but no real nudity. And it was hard, it was hard not to sit on cocaine.

Right, exactly. So Terry Tatcher is at the non-sexy 80s strip club. She's dancing. She's looking good. The guys are hooting and holler, and they love it. And then she motions to the bartender who tosses her two drumsticks, out comes octagonal drum pads. And she does a fucking drum solo in a strip club.

It's amazing. That's go home and watch that material. Harry Tatcher. Come on. You're out with your dudes. You're having some drinks and you're fucking watching Terry Hatcher do a drum solo. Standing. She's standing up.

Let's hear a little bit of this different bond girls. situation here. Bond exhale shakily was the closed caption. Was it something I said? How about the words, I'll be right back? Oh, I take it back about the acting. This is terrier in the height of her powers.

Something always came up. And how will you pass? Much better now. We're even. Something to drink, Miss Klova. Mr. Bond will have a vodka martini shaken. not stirred. Mrs. Carver will have a tequila.

Straight shot. Party girl. Mrs. Carver will have a glass of Mr. Carver champagne. Mm-hmm. So this is the... I've changed, I've changed, James. That's the little worst writing. I'm sorry, but this movie is full of exposition,

and then they don't give you any exposition on what happened with them. Here's the thing James Bond does. Yeah. In most movies, that annoys the fuck out of me. He always tips his hand. Mm-hmm. So, for instance, this little conversation he has with the villain.

He, uh, he will say, watch, I'll just let this go. I'm thinking of getting way, Lynn, behind a news desk. That's wonderful. I'm sure she won't resist. Too much. What? Yeah, that's, that's an odd remark. Tell me earlier, I was just wondering about your satellites, the way you've positioned yourself globally. Are they merely tools for information, Mr. Bon. No, or disinformation. Say, if you wanted to manipulate the course of governments.

Or people. Or even a ship. Boy. Oh, by the way, I know exactly what you did, and I'm here to stop you. But there is something. Needless taunting. Here we go. You have a vivid imagination for a banker.

Perhaps I should commission you to write a novel. Oh. I haven't known I'd be lost to sea. The drift. Just like a sunken British ship who everyone thinks the Chinese sunk, but they didn't. I like this. Bond does this throughout the movies and it's kind of that Hamlet do the play

to Claudius, similar to his father's murder to see if he looks guilty. I feel like he's trying to get his goat to see if it riles him a lot, which I kind of like. It seems like you would start small with the mad cow disease thing. Maybe don't go into the international...

Why didn't you just say the date it happened? Mad cow disease, Krutz Yaakov disease. Sure. That's the name of it. So, okay. So here we are. at this party.

Tips's hat, he knows the satellite thing. We meet Wei Lin. She's delightful. Then there's a scene of James Bond getting the shit kicked out of him for a bit. And then he turns the tables. And I enjoy that scene too. You don't like that. Well, I mean, yeah, this movie is only set pieces, though.

That's all this movie is. I don't feel like there's any drama worth watching in this movie. So some of the set pieces are pretty cool. But that's all it is. to me and all those ever will be I love also how quickly how quickly Carver fires his stage manager

yeah that's another thing we're just I feel like anybody with any common sense can see that this guy is unstable and how did he build an empire who would work with this man stage manager so do you do you like

that Bond just turns off I like that Bond just turns the power off yeah that's a very Bondian thing to do. Yeah, he just turns the switch from on to off. Yeah, he turns... And that destroys us all. I can see Daniel Craig's Bond doing that or Connery. No, I don't know what that says. But anyway, it says something. And my computer is obviously not being cooperative right now. Uh, so... They can't see the little spinning wheel. At this point, he's been beaten by thugs. He knows that, uh, they're onto him somehow. How did they know what he was there

to do? Yeah, he didn't tip us that many of him. I don't understand what's happening. So he has to go, tuck his tail between his legs, head to his hotel room, and then do the whole, I'm going to be like Dr. No, James Bond, and I'm going to sit here with a bottle of Smyranoff, put a silencer on my gun, sit in my chair, and just wait. The only thing that was missing was cards for him to play solitaire with. The thing's not coming back. I think we lost it, everybody. So this is when he runs back and waits, and Paris arrives, Terry Hatcher. She's pregnant during the making of this movie. Is she? Yes.

Let me tell you. She looks great. Yeah. Do I have a new fetish? I don't know. Maybe. So, yeah, again... Pregnant women, huge hair.

Pregnant women, huge hair. Type that into your porn search engine. Okay, so then we see a scene after this of Carver... Carver watching the news coverage of his blackout. and that reporter going Oh no Yes Yes

Oh no that part is so goofy That part is so goofy So he's watching the news coverage I've got to play it And the guy from the rival news station Which looks like just a focal A fucking local newscast It looks just like you know

This is Poughkeepsie's 6 o'clock news He just like Don't worry Mr. Carver We didn't do it And that's what sets him off Like there's nothing more cutting That guy can say It's the most minor barb

I want to play it No one that insecure could have built this empire. Yeah, that's what sets him off. Just that fucking yokel from Bute, Montana, going, we didn't do it. Sorry, Elliot. We didn't do it. I can't play it because my computer's being a dick. And now Simpsons reruns.

Then there's, yeah, long, meaningless scene with Terry Hatcher. I found the whole, like, them, like, rekindling, I found that to be. You got to earn it. You got to earn it. There's a movie convention there that I noticed. Yes, I'm listening. Where, so he's, you know, they're staring, they're staring intently at each other. They kiss.

She undoes the back of her dress. Oh, yeah. Let's it fall. Oh, yeah, she does. And then they gaze into each other's eyes and start to kiss again. I feel like that is so, so unrealistic to foreplay. I feel like as a man, as soon as the boobs come out, you just turn into like a cat with a beanbag. Yeah.

Like, you know, for, you know, however long, like, that becomes, that becomes, 70 seconds. That becomes the focus. Yeah. Of like, I don't know if I could keep eye contact. Well, that's the test. If you can keep eye contact. I also like, by the way, this little, uh, this little exchange between Gupta and Jonathan Price. Is this the doctor's and the doctor?

It sounds too good to be true. It always is. Do you think my wife knows? Hmm. Think my wife, guys. Yes. Carver, she does, she told you. She told you that she knows

him and said, what was her cover? That she, that James dated. Yeah, but James dated her roommate in Zurich. Yeah. That's her cover, right? So this line that she delivers here, tell me James, you still... Keep you sleep with a gun under your bed. That would fit her cover story, just fine. Yeah. Like, her roommate would be like,

this guy I'm dating, you know James, right? Sleeps with a gun under his pillow. I think we should set an appointment for my wife with the doctor Do you think the Ricky J. Roll was originally offered to Kevin Smith? I could see that, huh? Yeah, sure. Tell me, James, do you still sleep for the gun on you? Because my roommate in Zurich told me about that.

Odd quirk that you had. As he walks out the room. No, no, what way? I'm wrong. Forget it. Kill your wife. Kill your wife. It's too far to walk.

Yeah. I've delivered my greatest performance. I'm not a thin man. I'm not about to take it back. So then now we see the scene of James breaking into the Carver building to get the GPS back. The GPS. See, well, how do you feel about that scene? I'll tell you how I feel.

Frankie Matt. A set piece can only be so good if there's no emotional investment and I'm just gone by this point. I don't know what it is. Where'd you go? Well, here's also the problem. It can. Matt, you tell you me you don't enjoy the train. Transporter films?

Is that what you're saying? Are you saying you don't like the transporter movie? This podcast is over. I don't know. I think because I just, it's just like this is a kid that's just not studying, you know. You want to, it's smart. It's a smart kid, but it's not doing well on its tests. And you want to go, come on, Jr.

You're better than this. But dad, I'm trying. Is this the, are you? Are you really trying? I don't know. I think maybe you're phoning you a little bit. All the words look backwards on the page. Yeah.

Oh, you've been dyslexic this whole time. Junior, here's the problem. Is this the shortest time between Bond movies? Because this was like a year after Golden Eye, right? It was two years. Two years. I mean, that's pretty short. For a later Bond film.

Yeah, because they got into the fantasticness of the 95, 97, 99, 2001. And then waited a long time. Casino Rao and Quantum of Solis were two years apart. Yep. And they were going to do that again. But then they're like, well, we can't do that. Sam Mendes is like, I can't make a movie that fast. Yeah.

Whatever. Yes, you can. American Beauty. How long did that take? Five weeks? Seven years. So you don't enjoy the... You don't enjoy the...

Him breaking into this place. I also do... I like the exposition of the satellite. It's worth $300 million. If you break it, you bought it. And then James, for no reason, just knocks it over. Knocks over the set piece

that looks like it's made of paper mache. Like, it looks like it's paper mache. And why is the satellite in his office? Yeah. Also, yeah, that should be in a clean room somewhere. Yeah. Okay, so he... Yep.

All right. So this is when he runs into Waylon. They're both doing the job. She runs down the thing. He says, my favorite Pierce Brosnan... Foot down. Right after he throws this guy. Oh, this is a fun line.

Right now they're fighting over. They're at the newspaper factory. They're at the printing press. Yeah. And he is about to get thrown off thing into a bunch of newspaper. Love it. I don't see how you have a problem with this. It's another Avis employee.

Yep. Avis rental car. Some of our guys are evil. Broken arm, punch in the nose, knocks over into the newspaper. immediately starts shooting blood. Yeah. Here we go. They'll print anything these days.

Ah? Said to no one. He does it for him. Jordan, he does it for him. He does it for us. The audience. This is the worst movie ever made. Come on, that's a pretty good one-liner as far as one-liners go.

I don't know what it's going to take to make you see this. I think because... Do I have to liquor you up and then make you watch it in a theater? I don't know. Say what you will about Lazyz and Dalton. Their bond tenure was different. His is just a rehash of everything. Brosnan is his rehash of everything.

What I was trying to get you to stop saying was that. Because before you... There's only one James Bond who lives in Malibu and is close enough to come on this podcast. And his name is Pierce Broson. I would be petrified if he did for all of the horrible things I've said. And let me reiterate again. Come on this podcast, but do not listen to any episodes.

He's also the one bond that's likely to listen to this, I think. I love the man as a man and as an actor. Otherwise, I really like him. It's just not my bond. I don't know if any of this is Brosnan's fault necessarily. I think that the people producing the series just didn't have a clear vision for it. And, you know, it's like they didn't hire visionary directors to direct these. More than anyone.

More than any James Bond. his scripts suffer from tonal shifts. Yeah. More than everybody else. But so does his acting. It really does. I think he's doing a good job of meeting the script. Like meeting what the script wants from him.

Yeah. It would be interesting to see him in one of the darker ones, you know. But yeah, I mean, if we are looking at this as, you know, James Bond through the lens of the 90s action movie, I mean, look at all those classic 90s action movies. Those are tonal fucking patchwork quilts. I think they're doing it better than this, you know. That's the problem.

Is Face Off a better movie than this? Not that, I guess. Not that, but. Face Off is... Like, die hard is what Bond should have... Oh, sure. I mean, yeah, I think die hard, obviously. They do another thing that we love.

Yeah. We've both been on the record of loving. They bring back a friendly character from a previous movie. Yeah. Joe Don Baker. The world's greatest B-movie actor. Joe Don Baker. Why not put Felix Slater and you're

Who's this guy? He's, he's, he's, he's, uh, Wade. Wade, yeah. I like that he's a cartoonish American. Yeah, yeah. He's the, like, he's what the rest of the world thinks America is. This is the brazen era in a nutshell. Everything is shorthand, though.

You know, melodramatic film. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. Those look like two legs on that. Have you seen that in the helicopter? I guess I mainly know Joe Don Baker from his mystery science theater movies that he's always, uh, what the hell are you doing here?

Jimbo, you know the world's my office. Let's go this way. Did Q bring you up to speed and everything? Yeah, I brought on the GPS calibration unit. Oh, by the way, you know that officially, Uncle Sam is completely neutral in this turkey shoot. And unofficially? We have no interest to say World War III unless we started. That's true.

Commentary, guys. Commentary. Sorry about all this security, but the GPS encoder is one of the most closely guarded secrets. The government is basically just an iPhone. Jesus. It concocted a program that can recognize songs and tell you the title. Also another thing that Matt and I are on record is loving. Which again, I'm trying to show you how this movie is great.

I hope you know I'm open. I'm listening. I'm just not convinced. What is he wearing right now? He's wearing his nameling uniform. I like that too. But I hear the problem is I feel like they're doing it just... No, they're doing it because he's on a military base.

Whenever he goes on a military base on an official job. job, he wears his fucking military uniform. Okay. He travels with it. You know what that means? He travels with it. All right. It's probably hanging in the back of that BMW at all times, just in case he has to go on official business.

Well, I mean, you know, it's a funny picture. Him looking dignified next to Joe Don Baker's Aloha shirt and Cheetos. That's the worst, too. He's a CIA guy, so he's got to be, yeah, in a Hawaiian shirt. He's very reminiscent of the, uh, of the, uh, Felix's boss in Quantum of Salas. Oh, yeah.

Mustache guy. Oh, sure. He was trying to do the backdoor deal. That's a fun character. I love that guy. I love that guy. I wish he'd come back. I want Felix Leiter to come back.

I do too. I do too. I love it. See, they look him up and down. Yeah. Sex. Jim. If we knew the last time in position

that Devonshire thought she was, could you figure out exactly where she sank? I don't know what James Bond's history, his naval history is. He's a commander. He's a naval commander. They do call him Commander Bond at some point. But I always feel like that's what he used to be before he went into MI6. Yes, but he's still in a branch of the service, though.

MI6 is a branch of the British military. Of the British. So this is the next set piece we're going to see is the Halo jump. I have some issues with this. Did we already miss the car parking garage thing? Yeah, we sure did. Because I have a problem with that. You have some problems with that.

Let's talk about it. It has maybe the second most reversed engineered gadget, and that is the hood ornament saw built only to cut a cable at a specific height. How else is that useful, other than to cut a decapitation wire that is exactly that height, I know. It's funny, yeah, you get this, like, glamour shot of the BMW logo, too, and then it turns into this saw that is only there to cut that. That is everything. about this movie in three seconds.

Well, listen, I always had a little tiny problem with that as a kid. Yeah. But I enjoyed how stocked that BMW was as far as gadgets are concerned. That, again, much the way they overreacted with the James Bond score going in this movie, they overreacted because there were complaints that the BMW Z-3 had did nothing. Yeah. It had no gadgets in it whatsoever. So this is just the most...

So this was there over. It is. It is way. The Bond producers do suffer a little bit from, oh, did we miss that? Well, look out. Here we come. Or do we go too far? Well, you'll get nothing.

Yeah. Maybe just a happy medium. Which is why I'm very curious as to what they're going to do with this next movie. Yeah. This next movie... Yeah, well, do you think it'll go bigger or back to less? Yeah. I mean, I guess isn't Skyfall, you know, what they say is the most successful bond movie of all time as far as office goes?

So, yeah, I mean, will they just try and do it again, I guess? I think so. I think naturally. these movies outdo themselves incrementally until they two go too big and they have to snap back. And I think Skyfall shows a little bit of that which is why I think if you look

at the franchise of James Bond, if you take a, if there is somehow a graph of the franchise or like a or some sort of a schematic of the James Bond franchise of the 23 movies, they on their on as a whole of 23 movies, if you take

those 23 movies put that graph next to one Pierce Brosnan movie it's the same fucking graph it's a fractal exactly and if you look at it it's gonna do the exact same thing all happening

in Pierce Brosnan's James Bond movies Brosnan is the franchise Brazins that's why that's why I find him I think he's hated by most no oh really I think he's liked by most oh I think that a lot of people don't enjoy him

I know guys our age like these were the first Bond movies we saw in theaters or at least for me anyway so I mean I think like guys our age will always have a little bit of a sentimental attachment. Same way I do from Rossman. Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, and definitely Yeah, it's one of those things where every generation has a bond and every generation thinks of him in a certain way. Yeah, and I think he gets too much shit. I think he gets too much shit from this podcast. I think he gets too much shit from Matt Goreley. From Matt Goreley, specifically Matt Goreley, not Matt Myra, if I'm ever in Malibu

and I see you paddleboarding, let's be friends. You know, Bruston paddleboards. Oh, yeah, he does. He looks his favorite thing. did you do. So, but what I... I would ever see him at the climbing gym? Hell to meet him. Don't get me wrong. Like I said, it's just not my favorite of the Bond movies.

I still love them. Was he at the World's End premiere? I didn't see him. I didn't see him. I wonder if he went. What are the good post-Bond Brosnan performances? The Matador? The Madador. The Madador is great.

The best Brosnan performance in the Bond time frame is the Thomas Crown Affair. Yeah. Which is a better Bond movie. movie than any of his Bond movies. It really is. Have you not seen it? I've not seen it. I should watch it. It's really good. Although, you know, I haven't seen it in years, so maybe it's got dated or something.

I remember loving that movie. Thinking this is what Bond should be. That's exactly what Bond needed to be at this era, a little smarter. Yeah. A little bit more nuanced and subtle. But that's a movie, that's a movie that Brosnan produced and had a hand in as far as making. So, again, this is why I can't. This is why I can't blame him for this.

All right. You make a good point. Brasen, come on the show. Put down the paddle and come on the show. Also, that is a great movie to see Renee Rousseau's ass, which was delightful. Yeah, yeah. You get to see the natural born killers. But very quickly, if you don't know what a halo jump is, this gentleman right now is about to explain. Wait, before you do that? I can tell you really quickly it stands for high altitude, low opening because there was a G.I. Joe action figure that. had that. But the whole deal with the halo jump is that you have to wear oxygen. You're too high in the Earth's atmosphere, right? Yeah. So they open up the back of the C-130 cargo plane, and everybody in the plane isn't wearing oxygen except for the halo jumpers. Oh, excellent.

Now, maybe there's some, like, technical aspect of when you jump, it's harder to breathe, so that's why you need it, and there's still oxygen up there. So fact police, if you're going to send it, when is this podcast going to go out? Today. It's going to go out. All right. You have until midnight, Thursday, December, what is today, the 13th? Yeah. To send in your fact police. After that, you don't, if you're listening to this, if it's past midnight of, or midnight of the 14th, don't send it. But I think that that's a mistake.

I think that, I think, okay, so let's. You need to put fact police deadlines on some of these things. Fact police deadline. Midnight, December 14th. So we're going to see the... I like how you're taking into account the internet's need to correct you. And, like, giving them a little window. Yeah, it's amazing.

Because, you know, they have a point, but you just end up getting 40 or 50 of them. And I do like to know the truth, if I'm wrong. I apologize. I'm sure. Played? Yeah. She always wearing that hat. When did he get that?

Joe Don Baker is now wearing a colorful fishing hat. He pulled it out of his, I saw him pull back. Oh, did he? Okay. I thought he did that. There we go. Thank God. Thank God this movie holds up then.

Jump the Halo Jump is where we get the most fatalities. So listen now. You free fall for five miles and use your oxygen, or you'll die of asphyxiation. Five miles, there's no oxygen up there. Next, after the free fall, pop to shoot at 200 feet below the Chinese radar. You've been traveling over 200 miles an hour. This snaps your head back like a catalog. Be careful not to crack your skull open on the tanks.

I'll keep that in mind. By the way, you... One last thing, when you hit the water, don't forget to cut away your shoe. 90% of people killed the halo jump. tangled up in their suits and drown. Got it? Seems like an awful lot just to save the world, Jimbo. I don't know choice, right?

I didn't miss that the first time. That's the trip was deliberately sent off course. One minute. Is the pick-up? One minute. Also, we're going to train you for this horribly difficult thing just seconds before you do it. He's in the naval.

He goes, Budabless. He Buddha bless. Yeah, that was good. I bet that was improvised. This is where the ship thought it was. Yeah? More fun poking at Americans right here. Yeah?

Well, that means that where he's actually jumping between the British and Chinese fleets. Well, technically, they're not Chinese territorial waters. What? They belong to Vietnam. Vietnam. What? We're in a war there. The parachute, the wetsuit, the viz.

Geez, if the Vietnamese catch him, they're going to go crazy. Was that guy briefing him the guy from aliens, the sergeant in aliens? Oh, it might have been. It might as him. Oh, maybe it's a. Frosty. Same guy. Maybe he gets cry genetically frozen.

Oh, I would love that. Oh, nothing would make me happier as if the James Bonded alien movie, the universe is overlap. He's a deleted scene. Deleted scene in aliens. Aliens versus Predator versus Bond. Make it. So now we're in what I call the Thunderball of this movie, which is a long drawn-out

underwater scene to discover what the audience already knows. Right. Good point. Which makes it completely. useless for me. That is very boring. I'm actually not even, I'm going to say it's chapter 20 21. Okay really quickly. So they

go down, they do that, he meets Wynne, they come up and they get captured, right? Yeah, they get captured by a carver. This is just convenient screenwriting because in any other Bond movie, if Bond and Wylin are in the surface of the water and there's guys with guns on a boat, they would have just ducked under or escaped. Like Connery's

Bond would have escaped. They just convenient. Yeah, they would have escaped and and somehow punched a hole in their boat. That's never stopped him before And now suddenly they just cut to them being captured Because it's plus they have oxygen tanks Yes And bullets don't go more than a couple of feet underwater

As Mythbusters is too Yes So here we are now This is the scene I don't know how I feel about this shirt First of all Oh boy Okay guys

That's your problem with this movie This is a nice shirt huh I feel like it's a very That color by the way Very 1997 but it's a little looser It's a little looser than I'd like to see him in I want him in a more fitted shirt

Are they in his office right now? They're in Elliot Carver's office Which is basically a set from the Mortal Kombat movie That came out a couple years earlier Can you play it? He's in Shang Sung's lair General Chang is there's a point

Here where Elliot types something Oh I wrote that note too When Stephen Colbert types something on his show And he just lets his hands go limp because it's obviously just going through the motion. It's unbelievable in this movie. And you'll be able to hear it too, because he's typing one-handed. He's holding a keyboard and typing.

It's like he has severe arthritis. So he's, and he's making James Bond write his own obituary. Yes. I think this is the point where I start to enjoy the movie. I think that up until now, it was just total goofballs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think now, like at this point a lot of cool stuff starts to happen. It's almost like it's from a different movie.

I feel like I am wedged squarely between you two. I see that, I mean, there is massive amounts of stupidity in this movie. We're the Goldilocks of this movie. But there is some, I don't know, there is some like kind of ingenious, clever stuff. I don't know. I like this bit a lot. All right. So let's, let's hear him out.

All right. Your obituaries. I hope you extended the same courtesy to Paris. Actually, Mr. Bond. you're the one who wrote my late wife's obituary when you asked it to betray me oh by the way just quick quick note about Terry Hatcher's corpse

he really strokes her hair a lot after she's dead isn't that creepy? He does that James Bond interacts with dead bodies in a way that I find disturbing He like kisses the dead body It's really weird He's got a thing He's got a service agent James Bond

And his collaborator way to kill And then fuck The Chinese people's external security force were found dead this morning. Look at that in Vietnam. I mean, it fits with his acting. It fits with his acting. Although he does have to have his own...

He does hit the enter key correctly. I think he's got his own rearrangement of letters on there to fit his typing style, because that's certainly not a quirky keyboard. He's all over the place. Yeah, so this scene... Let's play this a little bit more here. Lex punch, don't you think?

It's old news, Elliot. We've been working together for months. Both our governments know what you and General Chang are up to. I don't think so. Very reminiscent of Goldfinger. A few words you may have overheard. Operation Grand Slam, perhaps. I mean, it seems like him in this black turtleneck, too.

It seems too early, but are they trying to evoke Steve Jobs? I feel like with the glasses and the turtleneck, yes, but this is 1997. So this is just... Yeah. This is just when he comes back to Apple and launches the IMAQ. I think it's more that they're going for a retro Bond villain thing. Yeah, because he's got the... What James Bond villains love, don't mind the...

They hate collars, that's for sure. Yeah. And they also love buttoning everything to the brink. Using every button. To the brink, yes. Therein lies your problem, Mr. Bond. You see, where we're... both men of action, but your era and Ms. Linley's passing.

What is the address? What is going on? Satellites, the new artillery. And you become the new supreme allied commander? Exactly. This is a great Napoleon-Bond villain performance. I have my divisions. TV, news, magazines.

And by midnight tonight, which will always be relevant. This is the most impotent. This is the most impotent. Basis for a movie. And the best he ever manager. was a sermon on the mount. You really are quite insane.

A distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success. And acting. Excuse me. Which is doing the great job. Bad job. Good job. If you'll forgive me,

your appearance here has forced me to move up my guy. The most phoned in Ricky J. Lydder. The biggest disparity between acting ever caught on film. Should I button the bottom button? It's a cardigan, but it's a vest.

I'll leave you in the capable hands of Mr. Stamper. and his toys. He does all my fashion. Sir, I do like the helicopter. I do like the delivery. Mr. Stamper is a protege of the late Dr. Kaufman, who was schooling him in the ancient art of chakra torture.

He was like a father to me. Really? That is only good. Interesting role model. According to Eastern philosophy, the body has seven chakra points. The energy centers like... Right.

Stamper is a reaction to that. He's a little indignant. Well, that kind of made me up. You're hurt my feelings. You guys know your enemies, right? You must be prepared for him to not like that. Dr. Kaufman's record was 52 hours. I'm hoping to break it.

I would have thought watching your TV shows was torture enough. Babo. Boom. And then they cut away little. Like, oh, that got him. When you remove, Mr. Bond's heart. He insulted the quality of his TV shows. There should have enough time for him to watch it.

Stop beating. Excuse me. Now we come to the escape. which was the director's answer to the tank chase and Golden Eye. I saw an interview with him saying, everyone talked about the Golden Eye Chase. It feels like I got a top of that. And he's like, well, I can't get a bigger vehicle,

so I'll get a smaller vehicle. How does it start in the first place? They just sit on that thing and there's no key or anything. He just starts the motorcycle. There's a moment where they're, so they're handcuffed together. They're trying to find a motorcycle to escape on. Naturally.

They go to a lot of different motorcycles in this motorcycle rack. It's like a bike rack. For motorcycles, there's 10 of these. Although it's... Where have we decided it is? Thailand. We decided it was Singapore, right? Okay, yep.

So, yeah, who cares where it really is? I just want to know what we decided. Yeah, yeah. So there's a lot of motorcycles there. They try and sit on a couple different ones, and then they finally decide on one to sit on. And it's a huge BMW logo. It's like Bond is saying, no, no, I'm contractually obligated to take the BMW.

That is a 1997 BMW RC-1200. which is a motorcycle that, obviously, if I were to get a motorcycle, I'd get a triumph, Bonneville, like 70s, and then that would be the next one I would get into that. They were manufactured from 97 to 2005. They were touring bicycle. So. Well, they're also an escaping helicopter. And I said bicycle. I didn't mean bicycle. That's great. Motorcycle. During the motorcycle versus helicopter chase, all I wrote down in the notes is, this is, this is. great. I just enjoyed it so much. All I wrote down was Universal Studios stunt show. It looks like it shot on a set. The whole thing just feels canned and storyboarded and like they are trying to

outdo the tank chase. It just doesn't feel organic. What do you think about them escaping via the banner? That's kind of fun. It visually looks cool. Yeah, it's very fun. Yeah, well, it's not fun enough to make this a good movie. I think it's like, I think I enjoy how relieved they are. You're hearing the banner riff as they fall down. There's a sense of danger here. I think they believe that they could actually die. It goes on a little long, though.

It's a long banner. Right? What do you think about that? What do you think about that James Bond acting right there? It's rough. Oh, he. Yousa. He's got banner acting.

Who knew a man had a banner acting? Charlie Calais. He's Charlie Calis. He's Charlie Callis. Do you notice Katie's gone? Like, that's what this movie. Our engineer isn't even here anymore. We occasionally do podcasts longer than the movies, and this is one of them.

How long have we gone on? It's 12 o'clock. Oh, we got to hurry this up. Come on. This movie does not deserve this. It's our most debated movie yet. Of course it deserves it. All right.

All right. Listen, we've got to give the people what they want. If you are interested... I'm in it for the long haul, guys. You can still buy a BMW RC200 in case you're wondering. Is this podcast sponsored by BMW? It should be.

And Starbucks Orange Valencia Refreshers. We're still going, Katie. Hang tight. Sorry, Katie. We're trying to break our previous record. They're still pretty expensive. Like, you're going to pay about $18,000 for one. I am?

Yeah, if you want one. Oh, okay. They're only manufactured from 1994 to 2005. Anyway, much like Pierce Brosons' James Bond career. So, here's something different, though. I think in the world is not enough. The cord he takes out of the blinds and then jumps off the thing and then tugs at to land perfectly at street level.

I enjoy that this land. on the 20th floor. I can't remember how they get down. Do they just pull a die hard? They, no. They smash through this window. And these office workers are just like... Yeah, die hard.

But they very quickly, they very quickly, they very quickly straighten up. Like, oh, sorry, we were so silly here. I think this is the, like, hardest comedy take in the movie. Like, this is the most chandleriest thing that he does. Could I be anymore? Dirty? Could I have surprised you more?

By smashing through the window? Yes, yes, yes. With BMW? BMW, okay. No, it's inventive. Comedy! She has to straddle him while they motor-tive. How does he start it?

He hot-wired it. There could have been a key in it. So now he's going to race with a bunch of 97 Rangerovers. Great year for the Rangerover. Clops, we can't watch this. We can't, you're right. But I do want to note that it ends with a huge explosion, and then the very next shot transitions into a baby's butt showering.

Yeah, why are they showering, is my question. They've got to stop world. They have to breathe. They have to stile all over them. They have to stop World War III. But why is that baby's butt standing in the shot? You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I know. Off to the right.

Because that baby's being bathed. They're at the bathing sector of the tiny community. You go action sequence, and then there's just, just a baby's butt showcased. Well, more so than action sequence followed by baby's butt, I did think tonally it was an odd choice to have that explosion and not sort of see a follow-up explosion. So what happens is they ride a motorcycle.

By the way, if anyone's listening to this, like... At this point. At this point. Thank you. But the... I love just trying to explain this. There is a helicopter with the blades trained down at them. All right?

Like, uh, would, would bring down the helicopter in an instance. Yes, I'm sure. I'm sure John Landis finds this scene uncomfortable. Oh, hey. They, uh, they slide their motorcycle under the blades, take a clothes hanger, whip it up at the tail rotor. And then obviously the helicopter then just spins in on itself and explodes. And then I think his, his, his, his, his quip to her afterwards, he's like, you, uh, you, uh, you were pretty good with that. hook and she's like, I grew up in a rough neighborhood. Yeah. Where we hit each other with hooks and helicopters came out all the time.

But we're just, there's a very strange cut here. So he takes this, throws it up on the rotor blade. David Arnold's pumping. Yeah. I had no idea how clearly those were dummies until just now. Oh, I didn't see. Watch the men in the, uh, I've never seen a shot like that in a movie. Until just, just now. I don't know why I'm trying to. land that any better. Yeah, yeah. Oh, fuck.

Anyway, here. Yeah, they take refuge in them well. Yeah, now, guys, pay attention to it inside the cockpit of the helicopter. Not this shot. Second to last shot. Real people. Uh, dummies.

They just, like, their hands are at their side. Yeah, what? Their hands are just there. Wait and to die. Store mannequins even. I'm going to screenshot that. Okay. Waiting to die.

Yeah, they don't seem too concerned at all at their box. Huge explosion, they duck under the water. Fade out. Fade out. And then just. And then there's that baby you're talking about. All kinds of baby ass. But I don't know why they're showers.

But it's, pause it. it's very seemingly sexual on the left he's got his shirt off there's sunlight coming through there's something very sensual about it and then you see a baby's butt and the two it's just I think they're just perfect metaphor

for the Braznan film I think they're trying to establish that this is the bathing sector of this little shantytown I think they're trying where everyone baths yeah but yeah so Paul Verhoven directed this there would be just naked women all around

bathing each other. So she leaves Bond at the thing so that we can have a three-minute John Wu-esque kung fu scene. Because again,

very popular at the time. Jackie Chan. When did Crouching Tiger come out? Later. Oh, really? But this would be like, remember Rumble in the Bronx came out in like 95, 96?

It was like a big deal. Everybody's doing their own stunt situation. That was a huge deal. Yeah, it seems like, I mean, I even feel like that little trend happens today were, you know, like in the expendable movies, they will just give Jet Li a scene

that's kind of not related to what's going on to just kung fu some dudes. Yeah. Yeah. But she, I don't know, she just doesn't quite have the charisma to be justified just for the martial arts stuff. Yeah.

I don't know. I kind of enjoy the martial arts. I think she's good. I think the fighting is very cool in this part. What I do love is when Jonathan Price does his fake karate at her. Oh, so racist. Oh, my God.

Oh, so delightfully racist. He might as well, like, with his indifference, six fingers pull his eyes slanty at that moment. That is... Now, what do you think of this scene as a Bond fan of James just hanging around her little compound playing with stuff? Oh, I like the... I mean, I like...

I mean, kind of in the same way that I liked that scene where MI6 is sniping against the other agencies. I like seeing... Yeah. You know, I mean, I like the idea that she's the Chinese James Bond. Yeah. That, you know, we could just have a movie about her, you know, doing some... some Chinese stuff.

Which I'm sure they would have gone for. She's a much more viable character than Jacks. I think this is one of the things about this movie. Not Jacks. I was thinking of Mortal Kombat. She has a robot arms, right? But look how the keyboard and monitors are all red. Yeah, I thought that was fucking gross.

Or is that just light? No, I'm sure isn't. No. He can't type on a keyboard with Chinese characters. Sure. You type. First, we have to find the... boat.

So now he's, they're in Waylon, Waylon's, uh, what do you call it? Her headquarters, her apartment. Yeah,

her forces of solitude. Do you think the James Bond's apartment has any sort of thing like this? Oh, his reaction there is good though. I like that. That's pretty funny. For the folks at home,

he tapped a dragon head which shot fire out of it. I don't get that this is her home. This is just a station outpost or something. Oh, right. Yeah. She's got a collection of fancy watches, just like him.

All right, we can't linger on this too long. Okay. But this is when he gets the Walther P99. Yeah, that he carries on through the rest of the movies except for Skyfall. Right. Now, he shoots that at the end with a silencer on, and the whole time it's making unsilenced gun noises.

Did you notice that? No, I didn't know it. Well, he is, he is, at the end of this movie, they're both double gunning. They both have two guns that are meant to be held with two hands. Oh yeah, just the, yeah, sure. Now, this is the second of the two British offs.

Okay, I'm in. This is aboard the HMS Bedford. There's the last crusade guy. Oh, yeah, he was the... The miniatures are great in this. I always loved the James Bond miniature work. I also... I like that the miniature guy got a credit in the opening.

Did he? Is it Derek Meddings? I forget everything. Because he did Golden Night, right? The Golden Night stuff is so great. Even though you can kind of tell it's a miniature in this by the size of the waves when they're the big stealth boat. It's just so great. I love it.

Here's the British side of everybody. Have you got anything on the rain? No, sir. A lifeboat periscope, anything. No, sir. Stealth boats, so they have gone mad. I love how much they say stealth boat in this. Stealth boats are they have gone mad.

They've gone bloody bonkers. A boat and no one can say. see, positively bonkers. Absolutely barme. So, uh, look that. Look at that. Good shot, right? Yeah. She's good. She's flying up in the air. She's going to kick some people.

Yeah. Let's hear, let's, because we got a, we got a wrap up. Let's jump over to, uh, the end confrontation between Jonathan Price and, uh, and James Bond. You're too late again, Mr. Bond. It's a bad habit of you. There's nothing you can do James just seen a label

called remote drill remote control Yeah Right after Jonathan Price says There's nothing you can do about it They go to a shot of a button

flashing override Well I could push this button It flashes and says exactly what it does There is something you can do about Yeah override It's so goofy Everything is labeled so plainly

and thanks largely to your evidence. You should just say missile stop now. And I'll be out of here. In a post-Austin-Powers era, this movie is dead on arrival. This is Austin Powers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's post-up Austin Powers. Austin Powers came out in 97?

Also. Did it? Yeah. Oh, well, maybe. Well, it made a salient point then. Bring the event. It's going to be a fantastic show. I like how we can operate that.

Breaking news for you, Elliot. Breaking news for you, Elliot. Come on. He's a news guy. No, I get that this movie's written. It's a good news out one. Give the people what they want. It's pretty gruesome.

We all enjoyed the drill the first time. Love it. I love that. It's a good death, yeah. Wait, so let's recap. I didn't say there aren't fun little things. Let's recap. Let's recap all the things we know.

enjoy about this movie. And then recap all the things we do. So obviously he has a fight with the baddie, because after you kill the main bad guy, you always have to fight the henchmen. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Just the weird way it works in James Bond movies.

Because you always forget about the henchmen because you killed the main guy. This is the least memorable henchman movie ever. So at the end of this movie, everything's happy. He's on a boat, he wants to be left on the boat or on the wreckage so he can fuck whaling. which is the James Bond way to go.

Don't get rescued where you could fuck on a bed. Yeah, fucking the most... Fuck in the most uncomfortable place you are. Yeah. Which in this case happens to be the wreckage of a stealth boat. I think James Bond, I mean, has done so much fucking. At this point, he probably can't get it up unless it's in a crazy situation. He probably just can't go to dinner in a movie.

Like, he needs to smell sulfur of gunpowder to get an erection. The original crash was about him. Yeah. He fucks wounds. It doesn't matter. Yeah. So, uh... He's a wound fucker.

And then the movie ends, everybody's happy. Except for Matt Gordley. Why, why did they need to cover up Carver's death? Why couldn't they say, this is this guy Carver, he did all this? Why did they need to say it was a suicide? Uh, for... Thames? Come up and...

They needed to have the movie these themes and what is... I'm sure there's a lot of stuff out there, Matt, that we don't understand. Yeah. All right, let me put it to you this way. So I don't seem like a negative Nancy. What's your least favorite Bonn movie? This is a question I get frequently.

Is it? And I think it is Die Another Day. Okay. And you don't, I have more fun watching Die Another Day than I do with this. This movie just isn't fun to me. No, no, no, no. I get so angry at Die Another Day. I get so angry because of the time, it came out in 2002, okay?

It came out at a time where we knew how to make really awesome movies as a people. Like, it came at a time. Well, we weren't. We're in 1997 wasn't the 20s. 1997 was, but this is very much of that era of products. So what I'm saying is they put in the time. They made a film like Golden Eye. They made a film like Tomorrow Never Dies.

The world is not enough. While not great is fine. It's fine. That's its problem. It's fine. And then Diner the Day, which was the 20th James Bond movie. It was supposed to be this huge, great, awesome nod to the past kind of a thing. and they fucking blew it at every turn in that movie.

That movie, for me, has zero enjoyable moments. Like, that movie has no, there's no scene I can point to that's like him at Oxford with Aston Martin or like him in the car with M and Moneypenny and Robinson. Like, there's no, there's, that movie has none of those scenes. That movie. Well, for me, there's nothing enjoyable. That one has a fucking sword fight with Madonna. That one has...

Wait, Madonna's in the movie? Yeah. To ever see that one? Oh, my God. It's rough. Look, I'm not defending that movie. That one has at least... It's so bad that I'm enjoying it.

This one is just... Oh, check out. But I feel like this one is so much better than that one. And I also feel like this one is a lot better than people are giving it credit for. And people, specifically, I mean, my other man... When people say this is, in some ways, a return to classic bond, that may be why I have a problem with it, though. Because it's such a mediocre version. of that, that it takes a step backwards to me.

And considering the style and the tone shifts, it is to me the most mediocre and the worst of the bond. I would argue that the tone doesn't shift as much as you think it shifts. I would argue that you're absolutely wrong. I think there is a tone for the movie, and that tone is 1997 action movie. Well, maybe that's my problem. And it's fucking nails that genre or that era.

But the good thing is next week is Diamonds are Forever, and I love that movie. I love that movie. So I don't want you to think I'm going to be complaining. I enjoy watching Diamonds or Forever, but it's a piece of shit. Oh, it's a wonderful piece of shit, though. And we're starting to get into an era of Bond films that I just adore, and those early Moors.

Yeah. We're also getting into an era of this podcast where we are now doing them day off. I know. I know. This has got to be the closest recording to release. Like, do we want to talk up? Speaking of the news, it's topical. we can talk about topical events because it'll go out today. Yeah, no shit.

Did you hear a boat of British sailors were murdered off the coast? British sailors murdered? I understand. Did you leak this? Everyone's going to be up in arms. George, what is your opinion on the movie? Yeah, I mean, I think I sit in the middle in that the, I'd say that, you know, it's funny because I watched this movie in two distinct halves. Here's what I did.

I ordered the disc from Netflix when we set this up. It came broken. You mean it was perfectly functional, the movie itself? And I'm like, this can't be the movie. This is probably a dirty disc or something. Oh, that is so metaphor. So I went on the PlayStation Network to try and rent it. The PlayStation Network was down.

So I do not like to steal from the Internet. That's nice. You know. You tried to get it through legal games. I tried to. I just went on Daily Motion and watched it in two chunks with Chinese subtitles. Sure. Best way to do it.

Yeah. So I definitely watched it in two halves and definitely felt like that second half I just enjoyed because you're right. It is a 90s action movie. And those, you know, for all their stupidity, they're fun. They're a lot of fun. And they're, you know, kind of they're inventive in their, you know, in their action. And, you know, like I definitely have a soft spot for. Face off Conair the Rock, et cetera, et cetera.

So this kind of reminded me of that. And, you know, like, Pierce Brosden has his moments. Yeah. So, yeah, but I thought the first half was so goofballs and seemed like a parody of Bond movies. And then the second half just seemed like this other kind of movie that is maybe a little bit forgettable, but has a lot of fun moments. You might be better off watching this in two halves because I think the first half does spoil it for me so much that it taints the second half. Yeah, next time I watch it just watch. Whereas I feel like the first. Just go on daily motion.

Search Tomorrow Never Dies, Part 2. But I feel like the first half of the movie, I feel like if you gave me this movie in a format where I could cut it, I could edit this into your favorite James Bond movie. No way. I could, and I accept the challenge. I will be doing this week.

I accept you to do that challenge, but I'll be honest with you. I just don't want you to do all that work for you. Because I feel like there are some scenes where it drags too much. You know, first thing that comes to mind is the underwater bulls. shit. I always find underwater. I'm well gone by that point. Wasn't that the whole premise of Thunderball is like what if James Bond went underwater?

Oh, we found out. A big nap. As in Moonraker, what if he goes to space? Well, that one's great. Here's maybe also why I didn't like Bond that much as a kid is because one day my dad was at the video store and he called and said, what do you want me to get from the video store? And I said,

Moonwalker, Michael Jackson's Moonwalker? And my dad brought back Moonraker because he misheard me. And I was so disappointed. I just wanted to see Michael Jackson turn it to a spaceship. Oh, I love that story. Jesus. One thing we should cover is that this movie ends with a tribute to Cubby Broccoli

because this is when he passed away. And I think we should pay our respects to that wonderful, wonderful man. Cubby, thank you for having the foresight. Even in these movies, I thank you for what. Thank you for having the foresight to make these movies. Lovable, lovable, man. Give us a big hug. Come here, Cubby.

Come here. Come here. Now go make us some pasta in mass. That's what you love to do. In Tunisia. She loved watching the circus set up. Kee-Bichkaville, I'm Covey Broccoli. So I guess what I'm saying is I think this is the best Pierce Brosnan James Bond movie.

I think it's the worst James Bond movie. Yep, that's where we are on this. And I know that's not a popular. Mind you, I haven't. Maybe I'll change my mind when I rewatch Golden. I haven't rewatch that in a while. But I think just for where it was, mind you, again, I was 14 years old when this movie came out. So this movie hit me in that sweet spot of where octopusy hit you.

Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. What do, I'd like to take the temperature of James Bond nerds. What do they think is the worst James Bond movie? Is there a consensus? Probably die another day, I think. Yeah. But if you go earlier, a lot of, there's a lot of dislike for Moonraker.

and view to a kill which I also feel as like experiencing yeah me too and I think the more we talk to people the more people have a real soft spot for view to a kill which I'm very encouraged about yeah because everybody we know

is between the ages of 30 and 43 years old yeah and we're just prime viewing age when that came out but yeah Jordan thank you for yeah thanks for having me this was a lot of fun you can check Jordan out on Twitter at Jordan Morris

At Jordan underscore Morris. Jordan underscore Morris. Anything else you'd like to play? Oh, yeah. I've got a podcast. It's called Jordan Jesse Go. You can find it in iTunes. You could find it at maximum fun.org.

Both of the Mats have been on it. That's right. So those would be good places for you to start if you enjoy this show. Great. Thank you for being on our show. Thank you. People, I get a lot of tweets people asking me what the other Matt's Twitter handle is. Me?

Yeah. Oh. So what I'm saying right now is it's Matt Goreley, M-A-T-G-O-U-R-E-E-1. Why? Follow him. At Matt Gourley. He's my better half, if you will. That's true.

And you are my better half. He's got not great opinions about this movie. It's true. But I find that he's pretty spot on with the rest of his opinions. I'm gonna say, I think you guys have a real fun time. We do. I love this a lot. I like the contention.

It was really fun for me. It's a happy marriage and we just have this one sticking point because we really do agree on everything but this movie. On almost everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Follow the podcast at James Bonding Pod. You can follow me at Matt Meyer, M-A-T-T-M-A-R-A, but mostly Matt Gourley.

No. And we'll be back. James Bonding will return in diamonds are forever. Diamonds are forever. We are just waiting for Douglas Benson to nail down a time. And that'll... And hopefully, I don't want to speak too soon. But my schedule is now pretty, well, relatively open.

So we should be able to get these things. You say as I start back on work next week. Christ. Yeah. Thank you guys for, thank you everybody. Katie, Mighty Penny finally made her return

to the podcast. We've been doing it solo for a little while. Thank you to Katie for sitting through a, what's the time code at right now? I just want to. Two hours and seven. Two hours and seven. Longest episode yet.

I think. Yes. Yay, I feel like I won something. That was eight minutes longer than the movie. Okay. Goodbye. We will see you again.

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