JAR Media Posdact - AB to the NORMAL - JARCast Episode 341

Episode Date: September 4, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Good afternoon, morning, evening on night, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 431 of the Jarmed Media podcast. 4.3.1. I said it. 4.3, 2, 1. Go. Let's go. 4, 3, 2, 1, go. 4301, go. I am.
Starting point is 00:00:30 I did something, okay I have given up on the mullet You've given up on the mullet? What have you not given up on then? What do you mean what haven't I given up on? If you've given up on one thing, what have you replaced that giving up with, with, with, with? Something not to give up on.
Starting point is 00:00:45 Like? Well, I don't give up on a lot of things. Okay, so what have you replaced the thing you've given up with with the thing you've embraced? Well, I've embraced many things. Like? It's hard to explain it. It's hard to put in a little box.
Starting point is 00:01:02 How would you solve said solution then? There's no solution. I'm just letting my hair go curly, if that's what you mean. That is what I mean. Yeah, as you can see, my hair isn't actually going into its curly form, so I'm letting it do its thing. Can we make this, like, the shadow boxing episode? Yes, Jim gets it.
Starting point is 00:01:26 I don't need a shadow box. Yeah, like there's a shadow when you're like, Yeah, you know. I'm not going to say that. I don't want to be like dark from my favourite anime, Death Note. What's his name, Light and Dark? Is it Light and...
Starting point is 00:01:43 Who? You got light, you got... L. L is Light? L for loser. Wait, is it L and Light? Are they the two characters named L and Light?
Starting point is 00:01:55 Or is it... Ayanamire. That's a different show. A better show. I think so. No. Then there's Berserk. Have you actually started watching Berset?
Starting point is 00:02:04 I put it in my PC. Yeah. Put it in my CD drive. Go to open it and it's like, sorry, can't read. It has a Blu-Way. I thought I had a Blu-ray player on my PC, but I'm going to have to watch it on my idiot consoles.
Starting point is 00:02:17 Was that an actual intro or do I have to actually intro it? Do you have an intro? Bro, I live for the intro. Good afternoon, morning, evening, or nights, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to episode 3. 341 of the Jammeetia podcast. I am James and I'm joined with by Alex and Jamie.
Starting point is 00:02:39 What? We're the number one. Flashlight podcast. Yeah, or life. Tenga podcast. Or belief? Truth. True believers. Uh, um, seasoned.
Starting point is 00:02:56 Experimentations. If your mind. charm media do you think it's rude the point um it depends on the pointing like like one of these oh that's rude yeah that's rude like if I look at oh oh no but if you're adding an oi okay well you're okay no let me take the oil away okay okay this is the thing I I emote with my hands a fair bit like in conversations with people and I found that I feel I worry that I come across as rude because I do point a fair
Starting point is 00:03:30 bit but it's never obviously you gotta learn what the politicians do where they they shift to this and they go oy I don't want to be a politician like my pointing's fine because it's never like rude but I worry I am because I do point a lot do an example of what you mean if someone if someone's like like says some something awesome you know you're fucking right on that one yeah and you're like let me let me do two examples for you you and you're beliefs are wrong. No, let me do this.
Starting point is 00:04:02 You and your beliefs are wrong. See, I really like the second one. See? There's a reason they do that. Yeah, you come across as like a really genuine, really sort of caring. Like I'm in control. Yeah, you're in control. Like, I should submit like 20% of my...
Starting point is 00:04:18 Ely earlings, yeah, yeah. To you for doing nothing. Yeah. And you should be able to get away with committing tax fraud. Yeah. Yeah. And all it takes is one of these. Yeah, just pull that finger in.
Starting point is 00:04:33 Just pretend you're shooting in Glock. Take that foot, make a gun, pull it in, and then put the thumb down. Yeah. So like get a gun, I'm not white. Get the gun, cock it. Cock it. That's not called the trigger. Pull the trigger.
Starting point is 00:04:47 And then you're a politician. Oy, hey, no more of that. You deserve nothing. I deserve more. I should have more. I should have more. than you for doing less. I went to university and fucked a pig. Bleep that. I can't believe that. It's gone. I lost the bleep sound
Starting point is 00:05:14 effect. Good. Thank you. Um, finally. I need to go get my balaclav file. Okay, download the sound effect of the guy from Revenge of the Sith saying fire, fire. Oh, that's an actual thing. Fire, fire! So before we get too deep, into the episode I want a shout at the Jarm Media patrons they make the audio version of the show possible and they get their names right out in the first or second week of each month that's going to be next week because we weren't organized enough this week thanks to this mother right here fire fire what have we done do you know what I've noticed recently yeah this this this piece of her is in my vision sometimes wow that's how far I had to get before I got the snip snip you know we So it's like, I've been walking around and this would be a little jiggle on my head and it's like, damn, my hair's long.
Starting point is 00:06:07 I saw a comment that was like, Can't wait for Alex and James to swap around. Yeah, there's a comment about like trading hairs. Yeah. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? Like the Simpsons, when Homer gets snakes, oh, that's a great episode.
Starting point is 00:06:23 That is a great episode. You've got controlled by him. Yeah. I'm snake now. A hindee. Shadow Moses. Well, I'll tell you what's like a hindee, and that's the housekeeping segment. House day.
Starting point is 00:06:38 Hind house. Hind house. Okay. We round off the conversations from the previous episode, just like Kino K did. Who says, James going from, I'm an experienced man when it comes to diarrhea, to, It's a Sciop. I've never had diarrhea. It's the funniest stuff to me. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Let me explain this. I've had many a diarrhea times, but the current rear building site up is not real. I say it constantly and I never get diarrhea. Sure. You never say it. I've never heard you say it. I say it in private.
Starting point is 00:07:18 My poo might not be 100% to 100% of the time, but it's never diarrhea. It's just a little bit, dare I say, funny. well as if we're talking about funny stay schmallow says petition to colloquially refer to Alex's house as the diarrhea building oh yeah what do you think of that i think that's kind of awesome they've got 124 likes that's a few likes that's an actual that's enough likes where you've got to respect you got to take a step back and be like that's enough likes to really think about and respect yeah if you build us if you get if you order a plaque online that says the we're building put it on the front of your So when you get, on all of your accounts, you don't have to put nine or ten or whatever, like your location, you put the rear building, Melchham, Swindon.
Starting point is 00:08:11 Yeah, everyone knows the rear building. Yeah, it's just the weir building. Everyone's going to find it. Well, we got a dark one from Dilan 8664. Hyja, a bit of a bummer, but I have to get this off my chest since I relapsed recently. I'd been clean for four years now. I hadn't even thought about using again until I watched the new jar episode. I felt the cold sweats and headaches coming on, and I knew it was that time again.
Starting point is 00:08:34 I ran upstairs into my room and opened the safe where I'd stored my last pill. The one I swore I'd never take, but I took it anyway. And the relief I had was impalpable. I then casually walked to the toilet and diarrhea spluged. All the matter out of my body. Been so long since I took a laxative, though. I'm ashamed to say I re-elapsed. I've never had a laxative.
Starting point is 00:08:56 Because I'm so fucking relaxed. I've never had a laxative. Do you know what happened to me? You haven't had a laxative, but you've got a fable. A supplement. I've had, I've had the poo, the ass capsules.
Starting point is 00:09:10 Funny experience. Sticking cold things up your ass, quite amusing. Quite nice. It's really nice. What are you saying, brother? I've got a fable. Okay, for everyone.
Starting point is 00:09:20 Like an ASOP one. Yes. Asoft? Yes. An ASOP. Aesop's fable. Much like you guys, I've never had a a laxative.
Starting point is 00:09:30 Hmm. I have. Oh. Yeah, because when I have my nose, yeah, you were blocked up and you needed prune juice.
Starting point is 00:09:37 Prune juice isn't... No, no, I had prune, but I also had like actual laxatives. Pee juice. And they didn't work, did they? Poop pills.
Starting point is 00:09:43 Oh, Bari, at work. I thought your struggle was that none of it was working until you, you sent it on the prune juice. I had prune and laxative. And it was the most, it was the greatest relief
Starting point is 00:09:56 of my entire life. Was it diarrhea? Is it liquid? It was beyond anything I could verbally describe If I'm being honest You should have filmed it I should have filmed it
Starting point is 00:10:05 You should have taken a picture at least Yeah You never would have forgiven me No I've got an Asob fable Go on that's an Aesop fable It's got like a warning You know the rhino He's got the sand in his skin
Starting point is 00:10:18 You know You know that one then you That was always my favourite Aesop's fable Yeah I'm looking sorry I'm interrupting what you're saying So
Starting point is 00:10:30 You guys heard of Candy Kittens Oh those Those Rio little producers Yeah They're like vegan sweeties Quite tasty Quite expensive
Starting point is 00:10:42 They're like zero sugar They are expensive Yeah Maybe it wasn't candy kittens But it was a sweet It was a type of sweet With zero sugar Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:52 Those give you the worst Rio of them all Well it was three packs You had three in a weird or something. It was some sort of deal where you get through. There was absolutely no candy can't so they're like what a pack is free
Starting point is 00:11:03 well no it wasn't I'm exaggerating certain you know elements of the story but I bought three packs of sugar free sweeties from Sainsbury's and ate all three
Starting point is 00:11:19 right how big good of packs they were like average sweetie sized packs you have like a fucking mini pack We're talking, like... You had like a shit ton of... You know, like, the classic Sainsbury's back in the day, three for a quid?
Starting point is 00:11:35 Those both, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that sort of size. And I ate all three, as you do, when you're getting a three-time-a-deal. And... Well, the rest is history, you know? I sat down and reared for a long time. Today is what I'm saying.
Starting point is 00:11:54 Little did I know, it actually says. on the pack of a lot of sugar-free items that are sweet. Like, excessive consumption could cause a laxative effect. They say that about chewing gum even. Yeah, I think that that should be like the name of the product. Poohs, poo bite. How many people read the backs of like sweets? I do, I do sometimes.
Starting point is 00:12:21 I mean, I think all three of us do, but like how many human beings do? How many? The average normal. Normal, yeah, normal. How many normals? Take a normal and measure the normal. Yeah. How many normals are reading the backs of wine gums, you know?
Starting point is 00:12:36 See, this is a good thing about statistics is everyone's normal. So you don't need everyone's opinion, need one person's opinion, because they're normal. The general public is one person, and they're normal. You don't need a thousand person of view, you've got one normal. Once you have normal penned, you can build out everything around. it. Create the ab to the normal. Be ab.
Starting point is 00:13:03 Yeah. Ab. What? No, carry on. Johnny Tuxin, 6281 says, Whenever I'm being reminded of your ages, it always surprises me. I never expected diarrhea
Starting point is 00:13:14 to be the talk of the month or a discussion on what or James's poo looks like the most. When you guys are like 25 years old, keep up the good work, poop boys. None of us is.
Starting point is 00:13:26 None of us, none of us anywhere near 25. We're pushing 40. We've been around the block a few times. Yeah, be real, like, what it, I'm about to turn, be real, be real, about being 30, what is that on, on, like, internet age? That's like, what, 50, 60? That's, that's in hospital on, like, and life care. Like, a Zoom is going to be like, that's boomer.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Yeah, yeah, weird. See, I'm not at that age yet. So I'm Boomer. So what are you? I'm Boomer. No, these TikTok kids, man, they're like 10 and they get angry at us because we're too old. It's over. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:08 Our internet age is over. Try living, bitch. Yeah, wait until you get a job. Yeah. Then you really just really want to not. The Enigma really wants us to not. The Enigma 2897. No, but following up on that one, what do people,
Starting point is 00:14:26 expect a bunch of 26 and 30-year-old men to talk about on a podcast political problems money, grinding grinding, building your women, yeah high value men, high value women yeah, maximizing
Starting point is 00:14:42 how to get a Lamborghini your proffit rolls why the woke is bad yeah like come on begaties it's better to talk about shit yeah genuinely
Starting point is 00:14:54 yeah yeah Yeah Our poo Makes us more unique And better people Than the grinds out of all these Name Name one
Starting point is 00:15:04 Pooh podcast Name one I know one Kind of funny Come on Greg Miller Come on the jarcast See how you fare I'm with you on that
Starting point is 00:15:20 Who's Greg Meller I'm gonna back you up on that Yeah yeah come on tristan tate see how you feel the uh the enigma 2897 says Alex
Starting point is 00:15:34 I'm begging you please translate my typos when you read my questions I clearly meant Jim not gin why did you always why do you always do me dirty like this I'm sorry like whatever you write I'm gonna read
Starting point is 00:15:46 Alex isn't gonna put the work in for you if the text is wrong I'm gonna read whatever you've written you have plenty of time to edit make it right yeah we're not you're not your QC
Starting point is 00:15:57 if you call Jim gin I'm gonna call him gin I know it's wrong but I'm gonna prove you right did you spell it DJ I am no he spelled it J I N J I N
Starting point is 00:16:11 Jinn shut up just add a D next time that's what I thought DIN no gin the J silent Dinn guys i got a couple things i want to mention to you
Starting point is 00:16:30 okay prove it i got two things yeah two phenomena i got to ask your opinions on uh-huh so it feels like forever ago now i went to go see the band tv girl in london right who's tv girl right they're this band right yeah you don't actually like them oh in like 2014 i got into them
Starting point is 00:16:53 like this indie band doing all this stuff right losing a lot of samples that was their jam right right yes oh so they don't actually make music 2020 2020 they go viral on TikTok right Alex like TikTok music yeah so now they're
Starting point is 00:17:09 revisionist history alone now they're huge I go to London I see one of their shows and this phenomena exists right something that I find kind of disturbing kind of kind of kind of I don't know
Starting point is 00:17:23 I guess my boomer nature means I don't know how to pass this I don't know how to break this down Okay explain in love it Your purpose Yeah so check this out right Imagine a band
Starting point is 00:17:34 They go viral on TikTok When they do a live show Every single single That is like a TikTok Hit right Every single one of those When they play them The crowd they're energized
Starting point is 00:17:47 They got their phones out They're loving it But every time it's not a TikTok hit. They are visibly bored, uninterested. Don't have their phones out. They're standing there waiting for the next TikTok hit. So you get this bizarre vibe, a live show, where it's like all these like people waiting for the next TikTok hit, not even really caring about what's being played, just waiting for the trend. It was like really bizarre because I've seen them one other time before, kind of like right on the verge when they were getting all viral on TikTok and stuff.
Starting point is 00:18:21 And it was like a really good, small scale show. It wasn't quite this level. But seeing them this time, it was like, it was like a switch being flicked on or off. It was like, is this a TikTok one? Is this not a TikTok one? Because if it is, the crowds there, they're engaged. If it's not, they're probably browsing TikTok themselves.
Starting point is 00:18:41 Yeah, that to me just sounds straight up cringy. Because that's all, yeah, it is cringy. It's already one of my, like, kind of icks, I guess you'd say. It's like people who, well, they go to live shows and they just record. the whole thing they have their phone up like this when you go to a live show you're going there for the actual vibe which is like everyone's kind of everyone likes the band everyone's just listening everyone's just vibing just chilling
Starting point is 00:19:00 because it's like if I go to like when we went to see guerrillas it's just like there's a lot of songs which I'd not really listened to and might not have liked but because of the atmosphere I'm like yeah this is good this is everything about it's great so see having these like TikTok kids with that kind of vibe oh it's almost I want to say gatekeep I think they make the experience of that show worse. But that was part of what made it so crazy was that the actual band members themselves,
Starting point is 00:19:30 especially the lead singer, he had palpable contempt for the audience. For that specific TikTok audience, he was like, they recently released this album, right? Not kind of on the same level as their previous stuff, using a lot of samples of like, kind of more biblical, religious-sounding sounds. it's not popping off the same way their usual older stuff that people on TikTok know
Starting point is 00:19:56 it got to that part in the show where it's like i feel obligated to play this new stuff i know you're not going to like it blah blah blah blah blah i'm doing it anyway because for my insanity he's verbalizing this stuff wow and then plays his new song everyone's just like standing there waiting for the TikTok hit to come out yeah that is sad yeah i feel sort of that's that yeah how do you passed that though like it's 20 20 something you made six years ago starts trending on ticot getting literally hundreds of millions of plays all this money coming in from this thing you made in a different part of your life what do you do about that what can you do about that well it sounds like they did the right thing like by still playing their new stuff
Starting point is 00:20:44 and not caving yeah they even despite the audience reaction yeah they play played their new stuff they played the old stuff but they verbalized their feelings like that that is part of like and i think especially a live show like how the artist feels in that moment like yeah like you but the fact that you picked up on it like gives it value yeah but that's the thing though it's like the the lead singer of tv girl very dry individual like the stuff he's bringing He's making jokes like, yeah, I was hanging out with my boy, Harry Stiles. Obviously, he hasn't. He makes that joke on stage.
Starting point is 00:21:25 People start cheering, acting as if Harry Stiles is about to come on stage. It's like, that's not, no, it doesn't make sense. That makes it funnier, though. That does make it funny, but it's also like a, it's just a weird position, I feel like, for an artist to be in. Like, what are they supposed to do? because the expectation is obviously to play the TikTok hits because you're going to get you're going to get that crowd response
Starting point is 00:21:50 you're going to get the audience response but then you also made music recently and you want to be playing your new stuff you don't want to live in 2014 or whatever yeah just an absolutely bizarre phenomenon that like it's quite it's quite a recent thing you know like yeah
Starting point is 00:22:08 like stuff going crazy on TikTok is quite a new phenomenon it's hard to know though like if an artist back in the day had like released albums and stuff and a few of their songs were on the radio you know and then people turn up to hear the radio songs so they've got all this other stuff like there was a jab at one point where Kate Bush had played back in the day she'd done a show at the same venue and he brings it up to say oh yeah Kate Bush did an awesome show here back here in the day you probably know her from Stranger Things but before that she was this amazing artist type thing you know mm-hmm i think i think this isn't necessarily a new
Starting point is 00:22:52 phenomenon i think it's i think it is just because of the context of tictock i mean it is to a degree but like if it in it i think it's an a new thing since the start of radio hmm you know but but like the tic to the ticot thing is separate to radio there our counterpoint here is most normal people would be like they're on the radio doing their office job garage whatever they hear this song by this person playing now they like that song they're like oh i like that song i'm gonna go to cd shop record shop and buy that album because i might like more of it yeah and that means that person's now listened to that whole album so if they like that artist they're gonna like all their stuff so that wouldn't happen and from the people i've talked about from that era that
Starting point is 00:23:44 that's how they did it it was like yeah there was an inherent familiarity because to consume more of like one song it had to be encapsulated with that album instead of saving that one song so it yeah it's definitely different in that regard yeah but i don't know i feel like the internet slash ticot though changes the dynamic in a way that like just the radio doesn't I think the radio was huge though You know you didn't have like Dudes and fucking I feel like it's more open now though
Starting point is 00:24:20 Like something trending on the radio Needed to go through certain channels Where something trending on TikTok I feel like it's a different Barameter you know There's like no It's not filtering beyond just what like people are like Instead of like going through producers
Starting point is 00:24:33 Going through radio producers like Oh that's the sound like I'm gonna put that on my channel on the radio But there's like of that now I just say it's weird and I think that it's now like this is the repercussions from the TikTok generation that everything's gonna become like that yeah well that's the thing like um what's his face the it's one of the lill's um peep not peep peep pump the one that uses all the devil imagery and
Starting point is 00:25:05 he's like always controversial for using like devil imagery even though he's gay as fuck and little little little i don't think little nas yeah yeah yeah um so like he when you know the old town road song he specifically formulated that song using lyrics that would get wedged into algorithms about like driving tractors and stuff like that
Starting point is 00:25:31 that algorithms will pick up promote in certain ways it affects the art but that song is also fucking fire just saying well yeah I'm not saying as a critique as it I'm just saying now that's like another variable to measure in this
Starting point is 00:25:48 where it's like well how do you accommodate for the people that are kind of ahead of the curve figuring out like what algorithms are picking up and promoting if you're like writing a song with that in mind
Starting point is 00:26:02 putting in lyrics that you know are going to get picked up in algorithms and promoted and like maybe they will be push more to kids because it's talking about driving tractors and these kind of buzzwords that are going to be picked up.
Starting point is 00:26:13 It's more about riding horses, isn't it? Take my horse. Yeah, yeah. But why would that matter? Because I think... I think it is reductive to art, though. It is. Whether it's a good song or not.
Starting point is 00:26:25 It's like, are you expressing yourself or chasing what makes money? It was a weird phenomenon. Like, I've seen a fair few live shows. and I've never had that where it's like such a like switch on switch off depending on the TikTok I think that's that's like a symptom of phones so I remember hearing about um jack white yeah was was doing live shows but he had like a policy that was like you can't take your phone in you have to relinquish
Starting point is 00:27:00 your phone on entering and that's such an awesome idea because it's like then you don't have the option to just like check out yeah or like view it through i give myself a rule i allow myself one photograph i try and condense like a live show into one photograph because you see people who they're on face time for the whole show they're holding their phone up yeah someone on face time and they're just like what are you what are you doing yeah yeah we're we're losing like an element of story it's the most boomer take all it's just like you're not experiencing life because you're experiencing it for your phone but like sometimes the the telling of a story is I mean I'd say more times than not telling a story is more interesting than just reliving that story
Starting point is 00:27:46 through like a video a beat-to-beat yeah no room for interpretation no room for anything new like yeah because there were a few of those too like there were a couple moments where some zoomer would like they'd get their friend to hold their phone and then get into some kind of pose They get their flash on, and then they do some TikTok thing, record it, and then they're like, okay, that's enough of that for the TikTok. It's like, what, what do you, what do you do it? It's like people aren't, people don't go do things now for, they like this artist, they're going to go watch this show because I like them.
Starting point is 00:28:23 It's doing everything's to do with quick TikTok algorithm. You're doing a post because that post will get engagement because it's with ex-Tick-Tick-Tac artist. It becomes about like the individual. instead of the event yeah it's like everyone's there for the event but all these people are like trying to and on that on that kind of note like this weird technology thing
Starting point is 00:28:45 where we're grappling with right now at this bizarre moment just a couple days ago I wanted to I wanted to get a dinner reservation for two at this place right I call up never experienced this before it was an AI thing
Starting point is 00:29:04 for a restaurant which you know when you call up a E or one of these an automated message system divert you to divert which I'd never experience outside of like phone companies maybe banks stuff like that because this was the first time I'd heard it
Starting point is 00:29:23 for a local restaurant so like you're not talking to a person when you're trying to make your reservation so you say what time you say how many people that air has this like awkward engagement thing and it's like cool yeah two people booked in for five o'clock nice show up at that time the place is closed um um like it didn't even like no but did you not check when trying to find the restaurant the on the google it'll tell you it's
Starting point is 00:30:01 no it said on google open call up to make it reservation. It's an AI. You talk to the AI, make a reservation. Yeah, this is kind of a problem with like early adoption of these technologies. You know, like, we're not there yet. No. We can't just like chat with chat GBT and be like, well, that's a human. It's like irritating enough when it is a bank. Yeah. It's already annoying. Yeah, but they're having a stable bank. So we shouldn't talk about that. But that's bad enough. But then it's like a local restaurant. Yeah. Mandate. them hungry fam yeah man damn hungry fam
Starting point is 00:30:38 that was like that was that was such a weird like uh grounding moment like this technology has been instituted this way and it doesn't even work it doesn't even make sense yeah do you buckle up brother this is only the beginning
Starting point is 00:30:56 but I do uh stepping aside from the AI voicemail uh we need to to gate keep TikTok like what do you mean it's really too late but like we're we're boomers doesn't even matter it does no I know I know we can't do it but it's like the TikTok era is is ruining everything yeah like I walk past shops on like high streets and
Starting point is 00:31:20 they've got like TikTok stickers that they've put on their windowsill and they're like as seen on TikTok I'm done man I don't like TikTok I this war is over we've lost we've lost yeah we're on the losing side of this. It's just like... It's done. No. No, it is like you can go from being this obscure indie band that no one cares about to selling out a place in central London
Starting point is 00:31:48 just because of something trending on TikTok. Just never, as a human being, you should never ever trace any, chase any trends. Because you'll, you've lost yourself by chasing trends. can you avoid it there you i've never chased a trend of my life yeah you you make it you you have this thing called free will and you you choose to to chase the trend on art you make that active bro you play monomorphette too you're playing armor call right now what you're playing i'm a call right now that's a trending topic i i i didn't buy it because the trend i bought it
Starting point is 00:32:27 because i like mex because i've watched neon genesis evangelical there it is there's the name drop Hey, I've got the crota. I've got the quota. That's, that's, we're not going to get into the fucking marketing thing. We've already argued about that today. Marketing is a banned phrase on this. Neon Genesis does need to be as well. Yeah, that needs to be banned.
Starting point is 00:32:48 But I just, it's just like my, my only grass with the TikTok communities, through cars and whatnot, and I just have no, no motivation to even connect with any of it. It's going to affect your space at some point, Barry. It's going to happen. If you own any social media other than TikTok, you've already been affected. I have, but I don't try to. Yeah, but it is inherently addictive. It's like, it's manufacturing your dopamine.
Starting point is 00:33:17 I think this is China getting back at us for the opium. Yeah, but America didn't do that. We did. Yeah, exactly. It's targeted at the UK. Yeah, but they've mainly got a bunch of American dopamine. Yeah, but they, but where do we get our entire culture now? The USA, you know? Stranger things, Netflix. Flood opium, TikTok, into America, and then it will trickle back to the UK.
Starting point is 00:33:47 There's their revenge. You know, we're all on opium. You know, what's that, that... TikTokium. You know, that meme that goes on is like the, uh, that quote from Wise and Vengeance. Well, social media. Like, man, what is it? There's a whole speech from like a US Senator President and he does like name jobs like the the shit of like celebrity gossip
Starting point is 00:34:14 with Rydenin in from the Metal Gear series just drops truth bombs about the future the future back then which is now about like our reality it's so true like experience that stuff I can find the quote I'll find the quote are dystopian nightmare you mean but about like just social media being just like swamped with pointless information so that like the actual important stuff going on in the world
Starting point is 00:34:44 can happen without us batting an eye you know it's like if the Ukraine war isn't trending on TikTok and all the social media is no one gives a shit yeah fuck this 24 7 internet spew of trivia and celebrity bullshit is a quote from that game
Starting point is 00:35:00 Yeah, but he goes on and on about, like, everything. Yeah. Oh, that's the villain of... Rising Revengeance, the cyborg one. The big guy. Senator Armstrong. Yeah. What a cracking guy.
Starting point is 00:35:17 He's right. I hate Slophearsie gossip, man. Can't give a fucking shit about it, man. But that's what, like, so much of everything is. It's just, like, conversation. I just don't... But, like, Kim Kardashian. getting a divorce with Kanye West is the same level of like engagement as a war between two
Starting point is 00:35:39 giant countries. If not a higher potentially. Yeah, probably. Yeah. It's like we care more about that. Like America doesn't even need to stage terrorist attacks against themselves to get a point anymore. They just got to make some gossip online. Yeah. They just have to have Kanye get sucked That's the crazy thing about like You saw the Trump The Trump mugshot obviously Yeah yeah Like that apparently has done like
Starting point is 00:36:04 It raised millions of dollars For his campaign Because they could sell merch with it on It's like this new boost Yeah It's just the classic No such thing as bad press Man dad
Starting point is 00:36:16 But living in a cabin Away from this shit That's dusty I do man That's all that fucking want I want I want the bunker man Yeah I want to have, I want to have, like, FromSoft's entire library in a bunker.
Starting point is 00:36:33 Yeah, you know, keep you coming for a while. And like every, every, uh, controller ever made, so that when you do one, one with an Xbox controller, you can do it with a dance mat. And you can play every phone soft game with loads of, like, that's how you control the difficulty, yeah. Yeah. And you'll, you'll be occupied forever. You don't need this shit. Yeah, man. Check out of reality.
Starting point is 00:36:54 apply yourself to non-reality I suppose to incorrectism and on that note we'll see after these incorrect messages no they're correct no they're not correct
Starting point is 00:37:10 they're the one thing that's true marketing doesn't work yeah dry media shirts now or I'm going to hurt you description below yeah good afternoon morning evening or night
Starting point is 00:37:23 ladies and gentlemen welcome to this episode of the jar media second half of the show where we answer JAR media questions from the JAR Media Reddit. Yeah, are you being serious about that? Hey? Welcome to the second half of the show. Brown, white, blue.
Starting point is 00:37:41 Trying to it better. Brown white, blue. BWB. Brown white blue. BBBBW. Well, I guess this is the part of the show. We head over to the JARMedia subreddit where you can ask questions for us to answer
Starting point is 00:37:56 in any episode in the future just like revert to monkey did who says if you were setting up a sore trap tailored for each member of the cast what would be the most fitting torture for each of you to endure if you guys want to have to think our slash jar media said in response to this for James it would be a clockwork orange style
Starting point is 00:38:19 torture method forcing him to watch a TV screen playing time-lapses of his favourite bread going off slash mouldy well it isn't a sword trap's just to kill you my idea was kind of similar to that but it was actually finishing Evangelion or I would fucking I would kill myself even if I was it was a torture door so do it fucking hell
Starting point is 00:38:42 imagine watching 20 you know the pain imagine watching 24 fucking episodes of that in one sitting yeah suicide Hmm So you've got to think of Something you did Back in the past
Starting point is 00:38:57 Like I want to play a game You killed a fly When you were 10 years old And now It's time for revenge Yeah You know
Starting point is 00:39:04 Pushed Jamie in a river That would be mine You almost pushed him in a river Yeah Watch evangelian Um Hmm For Alex
Starting point is 00:39:18 What wrongs have you done killed a bug that time you um okay here it is you you have to take many laxatives but not rear oh you have to hold it in
Starting point is 00:39:37 horse fed weir tablets yeah and you've got to last as long as you can before you wear type thing you've got to hold it but if you poop then three saw blades from the bottom up
Starting point is 00:39:50 slowly cut you in half my challenge my saw trap for gym would be you gotta go one hour without referencing DJ Khalid um bring up the saw chains tell him to bring up the syringe
Starting point is 00:40:07 otherwise there's some device that like tears you in two oh you get your ass spread nice like a lobster oh and a live lobster will go up Get lobsted. Unless you can resist.
Starting point is 00:40:23 Yeah. Tell them to bring out the lobster and then, you know. Yeah, good, good idea. I hadn't actually referenced DJ Khaled all episode until. Yeah, because it's all outside. Isn't it, James? No, we never mentioned DJ Khalid. It's all outside.
Starting point is 00:40:41 It's not about DJ Khaled. It's about Gabonino. Fearless Caramel 3-37 says, Bear Bear Jar Jar, I recently learned that women make up a disproportionate amount of book readers. As a woman myself, I wonder why there is. Thoughts on this crap. Bear Bear out. Men are too stupid to read. Coltrane 16 replied to it saying, For men, the time that it takes to read books is taken up with more important things.
Starting point is 00:41:11 Like recording eight-hour podcast episodes to discuss casting choices in an upcoming comic book movie that no more care about. in a week after it comes out. So true. I like reading, but my problem is... I like Ria thing. I like reading, okay,
Starting point is 00:41:30 but my problem is I can't get... I can't hyper-focus myself on a book. But I can, however, hyper-foke myself, focus on like a Wikipedia article about some fucking general in... Yeah, I can't focus on anything that isn't, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:47 Starfield tips and tricks. Yeah. I like reading. I like reading, um... I like reading. Uh, bro, shut the fuck up. I've, I've always struggled with, um, my brain. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:42:04 I think, I think men, men's brains are like... Monkeys. Yeah, and it's like... We have monkey brain. We've, we've been provided tools, you know? Hmm. Like, I want to, like, hit a thing. into another thing, you know?
Starting point is 00:42:22 I want to, I want to, like... You're saying there has to be a knock-on effect? Yeah, I want to, like, throw a big boulder and it, like, goes down a hill and then makes other boulders. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I get you.
Starting point is 00:42:38 Men are simple creatures. Yeah. Stick. It's like the stick. I love sticks. Yeah, sticks rock. It's like, you find a good stick. That's true.
Starting point is 00:42:46 We used to have our sticks. I've got a stick. I've got it stored I've got it stored It's like when you go for a long walk or hike You're gonna find a cool stick And you're gonna carry that I saw that there was like
Starting point is 00:42:57 There was like some kind of subreddit post That was like from a woman Who was like Yeah I saw it What a dude's weird obsession with sticks What is their problem And I'm here like Yeah it was about her husband
Starting point is 00:43:09 Her like son getting a stick And then her husband hiding it in the car So when they got back The kid had the stick Like I'd do that You know It's like, you know, digging sand on the beach. Their monkey brain is just like, ooh, mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah. And if you get a sturdy stick and you can, like, feel the... Should I go get it? Go get it. Go get it. You guys will instantly understand what is appealing about this stick. But I know I will. I might already know the stick you're talking about, actually.
Starting point is 00:43:39 It's like, no, do you know what's a good thing, though? Guys find his good fucking sticks. He found the stick where it was a part of a root. So at the top of it kind of curves in, and it has this root here. and it's really well curved and it's like a nice sturdy one. So it's like when you throw it, you feel the way and it fucking goes. And it's like, Guyas, you understand, you know the good sticks and pound of you.
Starting point is 00:43:59 Mm-hmm. Something about like throwing a stick. Yeah. Okay, let's discuss this. Oh, oh, oh, that is a really... Look at that. Look at that. The nice thing here is you can see there, the cut there and where the wood grain is, is very, very nice.
Starting point is 00:44:17 Oh, it's been in there for years. Is it smooth? Can I, can I rub the... Let Jim have a go. Can I raise it off? I know, I know that's good to feel. Mm-hmm. It's like the perfect, like, girth as well.
Starting point is 00:44:27 The length is very, very nice. It's solid. I think it's why, um... Can I just grip it a minute? Mm, yeah, grip it. Yeah. Yeah. That's the...
Starting point is 00:44:35 I think it's why, like, knights existed. You know? Because, like, a sword. Oh. Can you imagine, like, being a knight back in the day and being, like, this is your sword, and then holding that. being like well that that was before nights
Starting point is 00:44:50 that was like old school I think it is just yeah there is there is just an it's like it doesn't even if you're in a horrible war zone yeah you see a stick you're going for the stick
Starting point is 00:45:02 and I know the thing is if someone else sees you get the stick they get I understand yeah it's a language you for the stick yeah there's a language beyond
Starting point is 00:45:11 he think so we'll never be able to explain but you get it everyone else are listening they can see this and they're like, while the men watching, no, they can see this and they know, that's a good stick. If you are listening, either go on the video or just imagine the best, most satisfying stick.
Starting point is 00:45:28 It's almost a perfect stick, but I have a preference to sticks. I like the ones that have been part of a woot at some points, they have the intertwining parts, because that's like a, it's like a club. You've got that heavy, meaty bit at the end. And when you throw that, it fucking goes. And it's like when you want to smash something or hit it against something,
Starting point is 00:45:45 the weight is perfect but this is more like a slender build this is like a dexterity you know yeah yeah yeah and I do like a more heavier hitting stick but this is a nice stick the only
Starting point is 00:45:57 the only criticism which doesn't take away from it is the fact that it feels like that much longer I think it'd be perfect yeah I get you just because you know and it's a good thing about having a dog is they find
Starting point is 00:46:08 they find a variety of sticks and sometimes they come across a gold mine and and those sticks you know I almost become sentimental to them because when Geis gets a stick and he gets a good one like guys don't lose this one please
Starting point is 00:46:20 that's a good stick you need that one yeah and he doesn't chew them up because you know with dogs it's like dogs know when a stick is prime no no it's like when they're bad and they're too soft
Starting point is 00:46:31 they tear it apart as if it's not worthy so they destroy it when it's a good one a good dog knows not to destroy it because they'll play fetch of it and whatnot
Starting point is 00:46:40 yeah keep that stick it's a good stick it's a good stick I'm glad you showed me your stick. Yeah, I'm glad I showed you guys as well. Well, a loose donut 3708 has another kind of controversial one for us. Who is the most ticklish out of the three?
Starting point is 00:46:56 Or if you don't like that question, how about who's the most squeamish? Okay, bye, bye, bye, bye, be. Okay, I'm not squeamish when it comes to, like, bodily harm. Okay, how about this then? Everyone put their arm up and the stick goes in the armpit. There, yeah, you tickle me with the stick. in the armpit. Now, Alex is the least ticklish.
Starting point is 00:47:18 He's already known the answer. Try and tickle me with the, try and tickle me with it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, have you had your fill? Because I've got to do it back now. No, no, no. No, you've got to beat your arm up when I do it back.
Starting point is 00:47:35 No, you've got to do it to gym and Jim do it back. No, because I'm almost as bad as, I might be as bad as Jim. Come on, you've got to show. You've got to prove it. I'm, I'm terribly ticklish, it's my one weakness. But you know, it's Jim's done, that's the only... Well, against me, I'm James. That's the only priority.
Starting point is 00:47:54 No, because the truth is, put your arm up. Put your arm up. The truth is, it's not, it's not the power in the armpit. It's when you get that, um, that move your hand. It's this spot right here. That does nothing. He-he-ha-ha-ha-ha. No, my weak spot isn't here, it's here.
Starting point is 00:48:15 it's this like rib cage area I hate it I am a very ticklish I'm I'm incredibly ticklish and I get like aggressive yeah I have tried to tickle you instantly go to like fight or survive
Starting point is 00:48:30 fight or fight and it oh no I hate it if I get tickled I get overwhelmed by tickling so I'm like on the floor just like dead just like just overwhelmed it doesn't make me laugh it makes me like scream it makes me laugh
Starting point is 00:48:43 I can't eat it because it's like the one weakness it's like getting an argument of someone if they tickle you they win it's like that's always there but how do you win against someone like me who wasn't really ticklish beat the shit, fight you actually
Starting point is 00:48:56 fight you okay yeah what is the smell of it smoke it oh I'd love to bro oh I'm Genostogi this big yeah well that's my dream
Starting point is 00:49:10 God Lamattie do you know my my quote staying on the subject of sticks. Obviously his kids it would be like
Starting point is 00:49:18 oh it's a gun so you do or a wand from yeah and it's just you just want to put it in your
Starting point is 00:49:23 you're like holder your little guns and a holder and I think that's a fact you've got to
Starting point is 00:49:28 consider when picking your stick because if you can't like put it on your back and I have it
Starting point is 00:49:31 like you know it's gotta represent something yeah but I think that's a good like you know pocket
Starting point is 00:49:37 supreme yeah yeah yeah La Matty says hi gamers since you asked in the last episode what Jarlings do for a job
Starting point is 00:49:47 I work for a big boy architecture firm in London doing interior architecture and design for offices for some huge companies I'm still very early on in my career and I've been thinking about something a lot recently which I'd be interested on your take on
Starting point is 00:50:01 when I was younger my parents always encouraged me to pursue a career that was employable and stable as opposed to more creative industries that are very hard to get into I can't help but feel like now I have a career that others may deem as successful, but I wish they'd encourage me to take a risk in something I would truly enjoy. But at the same time, if I'd done that and failed, I'd probably
Starting point is 00:50:24 have the opposite opinion. I don't know if any of you are considering having kids in the future, but I wonder where you would stand on this if you think it's better to encourage a stable career or something they are passionate about, even if it's incredibly hard to get into. Also, if there's any other perhaps controversial parenting opinions you may have. You have a job. Nothing's preventing you from exploring that creative side in your spare time. Nothing is. The only thing that's stopping it is you.
Starting point is 00:50:54 You can always do it. You might not make it a career, but if you're pursuing an artistic, creative thing, you can do it. And you should do it. It's a great thing to do. I would, yeah, I'd lay the cards out for this hypothetical child and be like, you basically have a choice, you know? you can either chase this thing that might not work out
Starting point is 00:51:17 maybe you might be happier or you just double down on the thing you know will provide for you. So speaking from my own experience, the concept of jobs and anything to do of education and, you know, early adult life, I had no, there was no even discussion
Starting point is 00:51:33 from my parents about it. There was no, like, there was no guidance, there was no, you could do this, you shouldn't do that. I was never told anything. So I basically just, followed what I had an interest in, and I learned what I want to do through that. Actually, that's not the way you should do it, but I think it's good to make a kid aware of the real world
Starting point is 00:51:54 and, you know, and money and salary and career progression. But at the same time, you should never make them limit themselves and their passions and interests in the complete pursuit of a career. because ultimately if you're not happy it doesn't matter how much you're paid you're not happy you should prioritize your happiness
Starting point is 00:52:15 yeah yeah and you know I've I've gone into careers that I would have had an injury I had like a you know tied to my passion tied to cars and they made me fucking depressed they made me miserable and guess what I left them
Starting point is 00:52:26 and was happy as a result and I did like a change later in life where I've gone back to more mechanical stuff and I'm significantly happy now because it's now something I do want to do but you should always always prioritise a creative thing. If you have a creative streak
Starting point is 00:52:46 make sure to satisfy it because you won't be happy about it. Yeah, where that passion lies. What do you think, bro? I think there's no problem with struggling. Like, you might be uncomfortable in certain periods of your life
Starting point is 00:53:09 when you're doing one thing but like we're at this point in in like humanity's progression where we have such a luxury of just being able to do various things
Starting point is 00:53:29 such a wide variety and late stage being able to just be like this isn't doing it for me me. I'm going to shift into another like path and then you do that and just go on that journey
Starting point is 00:53:46 if you're fixated on having your Bugatti and your mansion then I mean do try but for the rest of us it's more about like living in that moment instead of chasing the thing that
Starting point is 00:54:05 you maybe one day will be able to achieve I think with all things it's like you need a healthy balance no focusing in your career is not a bad thing because if you are very career not career driven but dream driven of like I want to be in this position
Starting point is 00:54:21 that's fine but if you if that's all you've got and then you get there what have you got if you've like sacrificed your passion your hobbies and everything the pursuit of that that one thing and when you have when you've got nothing It's like you've lost all the interest you had
Starting point is 00:54:38 So it's like getting back in isn't it easy And then you find yourself like nothing Yeah You don't want that No I totally agree with With you on this one Yeah And I think one thing I say
Starting point is 00:54:52 With all creative pursuits You can't focus on if it's gonna make money or not Yeah Like my creative pursuit does not make any fucking money And it's never going to But it's still something I absolutely love doing So I'm gonna keep doing it Because I like doing it.
Starting point is 00:55:07 Yeah. It's about like, it's creating for the sake of creating, not creating so that you get something. Yeah. You know? Well, even if the thing that you get is just some sort of satisfaction that you chase that thing that you care so much about. Mm-hmm. You know. But it's like you're able to do that because you're in a position where you've got a job.
Starting point is 00:55:35 Yeah, I've got financial stability, so it allows me being able to funnel some part of my earnings and whatnot into the creative thing I have going on. It doesn't matter what your creative thing is. If it's something you like old episodes of the office or something like that, there's some weird niche thing you enjoy, you can devote a little community to that by just putting in time and research and archiving stuff, you know, magazines. It doesn't matter what it is You can always do it in your spare time I was it I was in I was in the car with someone And there was the radio was on and they were talking about The man who is like the number one expert on
Starting point is 00:56:21 Aging Denim That was his thing That's his whole niche It's just like he's dedicated his life to just like The best type of aged denim He's just figured out how to do that He's gooned on it That's a goon and I fucking was a penman
Starting point is 00:56:35 that's cool yeah that's one of the best things about humanity me humanity to me every single niche is like filled by someone being niche guy yeah there's someone who's passionate about this or that something you can guarantee as well if you are interested in something you are not the only person there will be someone else yeah at least one other person will be like a kindred spirit yeah it's the best out of worst thing about the internet you know yeah because you can find your community yeah and then you can find out they're all massive twat yeah one thing
Starting point is 00:57:15 is just like with being a boy of a weird dopamine and having like you know that that weird fucked up dopamine from gooning cod as a kid nothing gives me more dopamine then connecting with someone who's the niche weirdo like me that's like that's like a fucking nuclear bomb going off in my head that's like oh you want to talk about spoilers on these cars. It's great. And that feeling is what will motivate you to indulge in that passion more. And your little creative project you've got going on.
Starting point is 00:57:46 And you should always do that because that's cool. And dopamine is good. Well, we got triple left before we round off this episode. Jay Steria says, hey, jar boys. You know how you would briefly discussing hot and cold takes a few cast back. Well, one comes up on my Twitter fee recently. This is especially hot. apparently 11 years ago
Starting point is 00:58:06 James Gunn the current co-head for DC movies revealed he does not really like Tim Burton's Batman and he also has some issues with Nolan Batman as well certain fans are naturally using these tweets as evidence that he is not fit for the job even though his stance may have changed at the time
Starting point is 00:58:22 it took for the maniacs a digger up given the enthusiasm he displays for DC slate post-EU and indeed his forthcoming Superman movie what do you guys make of this Bebe cool But, yeah. I kind of agree with James Gunn.
Starting point is 00:58:38 Like, I like, I like the Tim Burton Batman movies as movies. I couldn't even say anything strong, because I haven't seen them since I was a little kid. I've re-watched, not Batman returns, but just Batman. Yeah, I watched that semi-recently. Like a few years ago. Who was the main Batman in those movies? Um, you know, uh, you know, fucking vulture, um, Michael Keaton.
Starting point is 00:59:07 Birdman, yeah, Michael Keaton. Um, and it's like a good movie. It's, it's goofy and fun, but it's, it's not like Batman. It's not truly Batman thing. And Christopher Nolan's Batman is absolutely not Batman. It's lacking in significant aspects. my my dream is to get like a
Starting point is 00:59:35 a batman arkham sort of vibe from a batman movie you know like embrace the the like goofy ah the dumbest shit but but do it like in your stride so that it's tough to do with a serious tone because obviously they like dabble in that
Starting point is 00:59:59 with the matman and robin stuff but that's like a little bit too goofy yeah that's taking it to like Deadpool sort of even beyond that yeah it's like you you need to be aware of what you have
Starting point is 01:00:13 with Batman like even with the Batman the latest one it's like the fact of the matter is this this billionaire is dressing up as a bat yeah that's the thing about that being goofy one is that that movie there's no goofy aspect of that
Starting point is 01:00:30 to break it. It's all really edgy, it's guimy, it's, you know. Yeah. And to me, it should be, like, goofy, like, the concept is goofy, like, gory. Like, Joker's a goofy fucking character. Yeah. That's how it is, and that, that, that movie needs a little bit of goofiness.
Starting point is 01:00:48 It needs a silly little snowboarding, a surfing's Joker. Yeah, it's actually, like, quite a unique challenge for that character. But, like, even that movie, like, more than, Tim Burton or Christopher Nolan Like Christopher Nolan took it Too realistic Yeah, quote unquote Not stylistic enough
Starting point is 01:01:11 It was very My thing with those is like The Dark Night holds up But the ones around it don't as much Yeah But even in the Dark Night It's the city That's just an ordinary city
Starting point is 01:01:23 Why would someone be pushed To this ridiculous Like length Everything needs to be exaggerated Yeah I go about And that's what I want So personally
Starting point is 01:01:37 It's like I love I'm asylum I do think it's one of the best You know imaginations of Batman to me But the recent Batman Is like my Batman Because it's like
Starting point is 01:01:47 He's very much more of like This edgy younger guy Who's like Muscat Yeah Yeah that way They place him in this city That is like
Starting point is 01:01:56 Just beyond Like ridiculously evil beyond corrupt beyond like it it it smells of just yeah stinky poop yeah so it makes sense why he's a bit angry yeah in that stage of his Batman's there is this bizarre phenomenon right especially on Twitter there's this whole growing sect of like James Gunn haters who are yeah they despise him because they they see him as like oh we said that the Flash was the best comic book movie ever made and it's like you realize he's being bureaucratic with that stuff right like he just wants to make his
Starting point is 01:02:33 superman movie yeah he doesn't care about the flash that was already done and dusted before he's even in that position so why are you holding him to that and it's also like yeah canceling him before guardians of the galaxy three came out and like all these old edgy tweets when he was making troma films it just seems like you're just trying to find something to hate on him for yeah it's like i kind of like that more it's like he's just giving it like people get so conflated with the stakes of things you know yeah people acting as if this is like this raging political take that's like
Starting point is 01:03:08 shocking and you should never see him the same way after he said this when it's like just gave his opinion on the tim burton and christopher nolan batman movies it's not high stakes it's an opinion on a fucking movie from over a decade ago he's a different person now he has done so much he's changed so much why are you holding him to this why are you using that as if that's evidence for anything but also like that that's the whole point you know he was giving his opinion on
Starting point is 01:03:38 like how someone made a movie about a character he likes you know if if i do that it's no big deal but if i made a movie on it then it's like yeah how day to me it was just more of a reminder of like oh man like people were just way more flagrant back then 10 years ago like people they They didn't care about what they were saying. The hot takes out, it didn't matter. There was no thought behind, like, can I say this or can I not? You know what? I've got an idea.
Starting point is 01:04:06 I think everyone should do it or be involved in it, and it's the yearly clans. New year. I think that's what he does now, is like, every, after a certain amount of time, it just purges the whole Twitter account, resets it. Yeah, no, honestly, resets it. If you're not posting anything actually valuable, just fuck it off every year. I would. I have.
Starting point is 01:04:25 What is there to live? lose is like more than what there is to gain so you might as well just reset it every few months why like what so you have Snyder fans like screenshot in your like out of context like totally bad faith interpretation of your opinion on a movie like what it's so insane to me like why do you care that deeply but what what is on my line feet like why do you care that Like, I just, I care. This is what I mean. These people have no stress or anxiety in life.
Starting point is 01:05:00 They're like, I need something. That's what I'm in my mind. In my mind, like, no one owns these characters, right? Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, any of it. It's just like, we have all these examples of different interpretations of it. Yeah, we got the Zach Snyder. We're getting this James Gunn one that's coming out. We've had the Richard Donner ones.
Starting point is 01:05:19 We've had all sorts of interpretations. What is the matter? What, just because he taught shit about it 10 years ago? okay but like my opinions everyone i i can say this because like my opinions on movies have changed yeah from back in the day and now what i can look at those same movies and be like oh wow that actually sucks or that is awesome you know and it whether his opinion has changed or not doesn't matter but the fact that it can change like why
Starting point is 01:05:55 hold something that someone said that amount of time ago to such a degree yeah it's nuts it's so timely online just like ridiculous um while speaking on that
Starting point is 01:06:09 Aussie Eric says this thoughts on the circulating rumors of the next Halo game being a complete reboot so uh what rumors are these Ryan McCaffrey tweeted semi recently saying something along the lines of
Starting point is 01:06:23 basically the state of this franchise is so dire I'm pretty sure the only way to fix it is another reboot that's not a rumor that's just someone saying this is my opinion Ryan McCaffrey yeah that just sounds like someone's opinion
Starting point is 01:06:38 that yeah that just sounds like someone's opinion we started this whole like drama circle like everything to be fair the fucking Halo 4 was a reboot I quote tweeted on my secret Twitter being like yes the fourth reboot will fix it yeah
Starting point is 01:06:55 Halo Infinite was absolutely a fucking reboot that was the third reboot yeah they don't need it no the franchise is fucking dead let it die you've got three three of the single best first person shooter games that have aged perfectly and are perfectly playable right now fuck all the rest of them you play those three
Starting point is 01:07:12 and you have a good time you don't need anything else let IPs die move on so picture it this way then right what your Microsoft what do you do with it is that the answer you just leave it five years 10 years yeah no you leave it you just leave it yeah
Starting point is 01:07:29 no kill it it's already kill bro yeah it can't be killed and take it take every single halo game off get rid no yeah no nuke nuke 4 5 infinite off the internet of every store fuck your dion
Starting point is 01:07:48 because I we're deleting them I get into this cringy fantasy land right where it's like imagine it marks off they didn't touch halo after Halo reach they just leave it they let 10 years go by in that 10 years they've been they had this team in the background working on something and it's ready when it's ready then they announce something and then it's like they do a teaser with like just some some some some sands and then it's just blow me your way yeah and it's like that was something
Starting point is 01:08:21 and I replay Halo Reach I was just thinking about Halo as a franchise it is the most early 2000s thing you've got a guy in his like motorbike outfit with the heavy rock playing
Starting point is 01:08:39 with all this goofy shit going on it's like insane thinking about now like the way that all went yeah look at how they massacred my boy they massacred my boy it's like no they just didn't get fucking hanglo they don't get it they never got it they massacred my boy
Starting point is 01:09:01 but the honestly that is if they'd have just waited wait wait past the 80s trend wait past the 90s trend wait for that 2000s trend drop a drop a Halo game. Yep.
Starting point is 01:09:17 Suddenly, TikTok fame. Whereas now I feel like they're kind of cornered, they're trapped. How do you reboot it for the fourth time? How do you do that? Yeah. Like, how do you actually do that? No, this is, no, the, the only logical thing
Starting point is 01:09:30 is, uh, chief, gone. This needs to be a new, this needs to be like an ODS where it's, it's in the, because their world is still interesting. The world, halo through. I think they've ruined it, man. Like, what is left in the world? They have ruined it.
Starting point is 01:09:43 The, the, where the Halo free. No, but they can still go back to the humanity's first contact wars of the covenant. Well, it's like, I still follow all the Halo YouTube channels, right? And a recent thing was that a book about what the arbiter was doing during Halo Infinite has just come out. And it's like, fuck you guys. Yeah, I don't care. Yeah, like, who actually cares? It's such a, like, my new...
Starting point is 01:10:09 The stakes were so low since Halo 5. Yeah. I don't care. Honestly, you've killed the unit. You just need OG Covenant and you need just a single story on a squad like Halo each a standalone experience
Starting point is 01:10:23 that does nothing but add like interesting stuff to the worlds and the law of certain things you can do so much of that there's a lot of stuff that they can work on but they're just trying to stick with the icon of Halo being chief and they're trying to forge a narrative
Starting point is 01:10:39 with him and he doesn't need one. He hasn't needed one since he's had his yeah that's his and it finishes perfectly Well, I feel like I think they could have done like three sequels to Halo 3 with Master Chief as the main character and done it well.
Starting point is 01:10:54 But their approach was not that's not how you do it. Humanising him, making it all about this like load out systems and all this like crazy shit like that. But we'll still understand what you're even making. ID software managed to reboot fucking Doom with two great games
Starting point is 01:11:11 and they really were working with fucking nothing but they managed to do it because they understood the DNA of Doom. They modernised it, yeah. Yeah, and sure, they've got all these characters, but they've still got Doom. That's my crazy thing. In playing at Halo Reach again, right? Like, every single conclusion they could have taken away from that, they took all the wrong ones.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Oh, let's double down on armor abilities and loadouts. Yeah, the stuff that people didn't like. The stuff we've already had in spades and experimented with for years, and everyone knows the ins and outs of. But it all needed to be was as a bare bones multiplayer. That's all they need to go for, not all the other abilities.
Starting point is 01:11:54 They just didn't get it. They didn't get help. I think it's murdered. I genuinely think it's murdered now. I don't know what they can possibly. It's dead. The IP means nothing. It means nothing, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:07 The Halo fans aren't going to like it. Nobody's going to like it. They've held it longer than Bungee held it. the IP like 3 for 3 have held it longer wow um and i i jett like anyone who's like 13 14 now halo's not even in in their periphery they i think they don't care the world has advanced past halo
Starting point is 01:12:31 so trying to bring it drag it dragging that carcass that fucking coffin yeah to the modern age in the ticot age where the the attention span of shit everything has to be micro transactions you're just defiling that corpse you're disrespecting it didn't need to be that way but what they have chosen to do with it has made it that way James
Starting point is 01:12:51 was right all along I've said this before Hey man you just got to let it die like I've seen the massacre my boy that I've seen the massacre Cod I've seen the massacre hate like FOSA that's the difference though is that like Cod like the player base is still there
Starting point is 01:13:09 no but they still be playing it they still be going But there's so many people now from that area just like, man, they're saying Cod. Cod is actually faithful to what it was. Not really. I mean, it is. And now that we're adults, we can be like, oh, this is bullshit.
Starting point is 01:13:26 Yeah, it's fucking crap. Yeah. But they still wound it. They still defile that corpse. Yeah, they're still defiling it, but it's more like... So like in a different way. Yeah, they're defiling it in a way
Starting point is 01:13:41 that Microsoft could be defiling Hela right now. Yeah. Like I really think they could have kept it alive through spinoffs. I really think they could have done that easily. Reusing assets, just doing the ODST type thing. I think a lot of people would have been chill and happy with that. But they couldn't even do that.
Starting point is 01:13:58 Yeah. It's absolutely pathetic and embarrassing. But let's end on this one. That just comes down to a capitalist thing of they need that launch for you know, fiscal year. And it's the same if EA, Mass Effect did it with Andromeda. That's what's even crazier, though, is that they were fiscally supposed to launch within the launch of the Xbox 1. X, right?
Starting point is 01:14:20 The series X. But they missed it by a full year. And even then, it was still scuffed. It's just like, you need, we're going towards a crash in gaming because it's going, development times is expensive now. And it's like games are like, people hate them when they come out. It's going to crash. This is going to happen. Well, say, all the, all the franchises I was, like, properly invested in and obsessed with.
Starting point is 01:14:48 They kind of had to exist then and then in the early 2000s. The Halo games, the mass effects, the Geys of War types, like, you know, Half-Life. Like, it had to be that era. It had to be there. It's constrained to that era. No, Half-Life, Alex is a good way to, like, follow up the Half-Life, because it's just, like, they had that idea and they let it fucking bought, like, Simmer for fucking years, and they come out as a revolutionary,
Starting point is 01:15:11 our game, which nobody knew it was going to go that way, but because they didn't push it, it turned out to be great. Yeah. Don't, just companies... Valve is impossible to compare to. Yeah, yeah. They will never just like shit something out. Everything is just like
Starting point is 01:15:27 this little idea and it... Unless it's Hunt Down the Freeman. Hunt Down the Freeman is what made Half-Life Alex possible, you know? That's... genuinely, that is actually a theory. Really? Yeah, because they saw it and they were like, shit.
Starting point is 01:15:42 Because they gave permission to them to use the idea. Yeah, so they saw fuck off. They release such a bad project. They're like, we got fix this man. We need to actually prove
Starting point is 01:15:51 that Half-Life is like a franchise value. Yeah. So it's thanks to you that Half-Life Alex exists. That's why they named it after you. I really need to do Half-Life Alex, man. It is excellent. Fuck, I need to do it.
Starting point is 01:16:06 It is excellent. As a Half-Life fan, since I was like 14, it blew my mind I should just get a VR player I'm gonna jerk that game off anymore It is very good Let's end on this one
Starting point is 01:16:18 Then from Identity is found James Are you gonna play ArmidCore Any mech games you like I love you James James James I love you Armad Core I had a brief experience
Starting point is 01:16:29 Of Armid Core as a child On like you know PS2 and PS1 Erwa So I was always Kind of a bit hype to see You know From the software and its current
Starting point is 01:16:39 you know, fucking hitting out bangers, hitting fucking games out of the park. When was the last time they missed? Exactly. Dark sauce too. That was a really proper Dark Souls game, was it though? It wasn't directed by music.
Starting point is 01:16:53 Yeah, exactly. So it's like, I saw, you know, that those trailers come out and I was just like, fuck, you know, this might be my entrance to the FromSoft. This might be the game I properly get into. And, you know, we start talking in the group chat. We were talking about it,
Starting point is 01:17:09 And it was just like, you know, I saw it come out the next day. I was just like, you know what? My PC might not run this, but I'm going to fucking do it. Who got it first? Me. Did you actually get it first? I did. And then, because we talk about buying it.
Starting point is 01:17:21 And then Jim was just like, I'm off on work and like two weeks time. I'll buy it then and like sink in. And I was just like, I don't want to let him do that. I'm only, I'm going to get in first. So I bought it. And then Jim instantly bought it. It fucking got me. It's fucking got me.
Starting point is 01:17:37 It's got you. I've got angry at bosses and it's just like I'm turning this off, I'm going to bed tomorrow, I'm getting it I'm in. That was me with Sechro man Yeah, it's got It's got all of the FOMsoft things that I've like Always found difficult to get into
Starting point is 01:17:52 But because it's in a nice little robotic Mac package with customisation It's got me and I've been angry at it And I've been like, I don't know if I can do this game But you know, I've persevered and I've got through And I found that's what their games do though man They like get under your skin And it's like, I'm not gonna let you
Starting point is 01:18:08 you win. They almost taunt you. Yeah. And then you're like, no, no, fuck you. Have you both done that boss then that's like notoriously? So you've got... So with it, you've got, there's two infamous bosses, there's the basically the first boss on the first level, which I believe
Starting point is 01:18:24 is like a... ridiculously easy. You've got, you've gone from, you know, the Souls games. Armacore reasoned Souls, shit's fucking hectic. And it's like trying to make you adapt to the hectic nature of Armacore. Missile Spam fucking constantly laser
Starting point is 01:18:39 It's equivalent to the Asylum Demon from Dark Souls 1 But just applied to that Genre If you know what you're doing It's like well duh this shit's easy If you've got no idea Then it's actually quite challenging
Starting point is 01:18:55 How does it translate in terms of like When you die What do you lose? Nothing Nothing, it just says We start from Checkpoint It's the most forgiving Because there's checkpoints And
Starting point is 01:19:07 if you restart from the checkpoint you can change your whole setup yeah to adapt if you're like oh this this build just doesn't work for this scenario and I think it's the people need to realize it's not Dark Souls you know our form software got to the stage of making Dark Souls
Starting point is 01:19:26 because of the success of Armored Core they're not trying to make Dark Souls with Macs they're trying to make a game that's true to their experience with Dark Souls but with the Armored Corps Armored Core franchise. So there's a lot of Armacore things that... They're not. They're not either. No. Is it not? I don't think so. I'm pretty sure it's not. That would make some.
Starting point is 01:19:45 But it has all of the things Dark Souls has, but it's like they've learned from those games and they've made like a sequel to Armour Corps that is like taking everything they've learned over all of those games. They're putting it into this one Armored Court game. They just don't make bad games so later. No, but it's just like my PC's aged, you know, and from software games haven't played Elderm Wing. They can be a bit with, on PC. Yeah. Like,
Starting point is 01:20:08 this is the best running from soft game, I think, ever. On PC. Yeah. It runs. Yeah. By a long shot, for how good the game looks artistically, this, yeah, it outperforms every, it's probably because it's level by level.
Starting point is 01:20:27 So they're not loading this giant area. Yeah. I have no complaints in that department. Like, you know, I've been having a hell of a lot of fun with it and I love the depth because it's all the shit that you've talked about from because you guys have talked about Dark Souls and Sekro
Starting point is 01:20:46 for years and I'm always in on I'm like third partying those conversations you know so now having getting the shit you talk about I'd be like I get it because I've been playing it as Armoured Core it is quite liberating it's like I finally understand and I love I just love the
Starting point is 01:21:05 you know the things I've been having difficulty with you know the main ones I've had difficulty with is mainly the Bautus which is the the second really difficult boss that people are talking about that's the one right yeah he and then there's later on the C spider and with Bultus it really was like I I it took me like four days to come over to get over you're getting home just being like I'm gonna get this one and it was just like changing my setup and experimenting with what weapons to use and a mech designs which helped me overcome it and it was just like don't do the obvious thing of like jumping in the air trying to dodge it was just like be a bit more aggressive using a bit of heavier weaponry and that's what got me through and then the sea spider it was like no matter what I change on my setup I'm not fucking beating this thing so it's like I need to focus on movement I need to change how I'm tactically approaching this boss and that's how I got through it by adjusting how I was fighting it and that's all the dark so stuff yeah that's that's exactly the like timeline for me when I got to in dark souls three
Starting point is 01:22:05 The Abyss Watchers. I haven't got there yet. Because I'm playing Dark Souls 3 on the Steam deck right now. Yeah. I haven't got nearly that far. Did you get there the first time you tried? I don't think I've ever got that far. Yeah, that was the point because the only Dark Souls games I'd played
Starting point is 01:22:23 because the only ones that were out were Dark Souls 1 and 2. Yeah. FromSoft has this way of like easing you into their games and they have a point that's like... It's tracking. something of you, it's demanding something. It's like saying, like, we're doing this with this game,
Starting point is 01:22:42 do the things that you need to do. Like Ginochero and Sakro. Yeah, Gnichero and Sakoro, the wolf guy in Bloodborn, the first, like, major boss. Yeah, and that's where I say when the first boss in Armored Court 6 is like a,
Starting point is 01:23:01 it's trying to make you learn the way Armoured Court is and like spam and loads of attacks and it's like if you seriously can't adapt to that boss you're gonna have to refund the game
Starting point is 01:23:09 and it is spaced in a period but even if you have like four or five attempts you can still refund the game with game time so it's like
Starting point is 01:23:16 they're giving you that option that if you can't do this you don't play this game and it's like Baltis is like the next one up where it's like you've got
Starting point is 01:23:24 persevere and you've got to overcome this yeah learn the game yeah and I did by doing like a like a thing that wasn't it's like your unobvious thing
Starting point is 01:23:34 but it's like the customization i generally love all the character the story is actually like the story is awesome the story is really the thing that's like really i want to know what's happening that surprises me it's got that it's got like influences of dune there with the call it's like yeah it's it's not like engaging like a last of us you know it's not showing you it's like curiosity you just want to know why why yeah and you want to know where it's taking you and the way from self like shows stuff it's you know there's like it's it all the information is so informed by all this background stuff mm-hmm um is that he video doing his law on it or i'm not sure yet i think it's gonna be a bit more time yeah um but but i know certain
Starting point is 01:24:27 souls youtubeers because that's the that's the only thing putting it off of me is um part of the appeal of a blabon of a secaru is that enemy design the environment design whereas like a lot of the gameplay have seen from armacore is like i don't know what i'm sifting through i'm from how far i've got um i think the level design is it's like really good yeah the level design and the enemy design there's like a lot of just like normal things fodder Yeah, like little mech things. But the same as, like, in Dark Souls, there's like the boring ass early stuff. And then as you get through it, it's like, this shit I'm doing is crazy.
Starting point is 01:25:14 Yeah, the sea spiders one, those are like, holy shit, what the fuck's it doing? Yeah, they get really creative with, like, the silhouettes and the designs of these enemies. Yeah, the designs are really, really cool. And there's a, I can't remember what the level is, but it's like, you know, in all the imagery, it's just like, you're on the ground, but there's these, like, floating cities. It's the first time you kind of go in there and it's all like this industrial kind of like plant in the sky
Starting point is 01:25:40 but it's like on one of these levels I'm playing it. The amount of little tunnels you can go through in like areas where there's like battle logs, there's harder enemies and you're discovering this when you've done the level it's like there's a lot of replayability there and it's the aesthetic and the design of everything that's like suck them even
Starting point is 01:25:56 more. How does it work in terms of like part of what's fun in your securoes and your Dark Souls is like in an area when you're learning it you can like find items that are scattered and stuff like this that's like a very minor part of the game
Starting point is 01:26:12 there is chests but I think the main thing is like once you've beaten it once there's like battle logs which is like harder enemies possibly newer enemies that are now like dropped in when you replay it so it's like you're now finding this boss and you're trying to take it out and that's like another like an additional challenge just your level of motion is so much higher
Starting point is 01:26:29 you are like flying around it's not so much about that It's more like spectacle and something that we haven't touched on at all is like the... I've said to you before already, what keeps coming back to my head is the scarabs from Halo 3. You know these like giant things and relatively early on in the game. There's a mission where you've got to basically take down like a scowab with a huge fucking laser weapon. And you're like a giant robot, but this thing is like a giant. giant robot. You spawn in
Starting point is 01:27:04 in a desert and there's like a sandstorm but in the distance you can see the silhouette of this fucking huge machine and you get closer and it's like there's some fucking energy coming from this thing and there's fucking huge blue lasers like attacking you and it's like if it touches you you're fucking dead so you're like dodging and you're trying
Starting point is 01:27:20 to get behind our buildings and stuff and then you've got to climb the thing and then like fight on it and then later on in the game you're fighting like Star Destroyers from Star Wars but as a Mac and you're like shooting these things and it's all about the scale yeah yeah it's the scale thing
Starting point is 01:27:36 and from soft games have never been like the best appearance wise but when you you find yourself like immersed in this this shit that's happening you're like I'm fighting a spaceship as a big robot dude yeah the tank tank tracks
Starting point is 01:27:52 it's so goddamn badass that's cool when you say when you describe it like that that is the luring yeah it's like um yeah there's one level I think is after the sea spider level because the sea spider level is like you start at the start but there's like orbital lasers and you have to do like dodge around it
Starting point is 01:28:07 and like find a path and you get to the sea spider and it's on a huge fucking cannon which they launch across a country and it comes down but it's like the actual environments because the level after this is in a quarry and it's all snowing, it's blizzardy
Starting point is 01:28:21 you can't see the distance and it's like there's something about that which adds like attention because it's like any time there could be a boss and when you get to this you know this ship comes along there's like a fucking 20 drones
Starting point is 01:28:33 with fucking snipers on the ridge and shit and in his level I was like trying to take out the drones but it's like every time I try to like corner peak or whatever a fucking huge lady I'm getting like tense and I'm trying to like not die because if you fuck up and you don't dodge you're dead and then you got to
Starting point is 01:28:48 when you get that right sort of run you feel like the most badass dude just ever and it's visually cool when you're like the other thing is like there is like our enemy age enemy armoured cause who have the same weaponry in the movesets so when it's fighting one of them it's like the only thing can compare it to is like ace versus
Starting point is 01:29:10 eight fights in ace combat where it's like the two like characters are like going at it because they're the best it gives me that because they're dodging and their shootings and it's like there's some I can't be because my set up isn't per is like they're countering my setup so this is a tense thing where you're dodging and you're getting fucked and it's like you find them in the levels where they are these aces and it is just hyper that's where that whole enjoyment is
Starting point is 01:29:37 and it's like the whole multiplayer aspect is like you're fighting another player in that mech and there's so much enjoyment there and you've toyed with multiplayer right yeah we have which is a whole other like addictive aspect of the game because it's like there's three rounds
Starting point is 01:29:53 you three fights and they can be really short and you're just in this map and you've got to like work out how to beat them And it is really fun because Jamie's like set up is really jumpy and like glides around and I'm like a heavier like tank so I'm like trying to find them and then I'm just getting shot from fucking there's missiles going off and I'm not where the fuck is he? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:30:14 And it's tense and it just looks cool. Being in a robot with like loads of missiles pos is going do do do do or shooting eyes. It just looks cool and everyone should try it because you might not like it but Armored Call is like a. Yeah, I think if it gels with you, it's going to. gel hard if you're initially like just not into it
Starting point is 01:30:37 you're probably you've got you've got stronger opinions about this like donkey video right I think he completely misrepresented the game yeah way to make it to back up his I felt like when I watched that video
Starting point is 01:30:50 I feel like I got what he was getting at we was kind of saying yeah I did it's not the same itch that's being scratched from the previous from soft games it's something different I yeah no but I think that comes from the case of he's not son who grew up with armoured core he wants armored core to be dark souls but armoured core's not dark souls so why do you want it to be
Starting point is 01:31:10 dark souls i think it's more from like dark souls is so like lorded as far as its design as far as a lot of the things it does achieve i think he kind of undercuts how smart a lot of the design is right that's that's my only issue with it is like that a lot of this has been really like thought through and just in terms of like the rock paper scissors nature of it it's like a tried and true system because yeah I don't know how it's really
Starting point is 01:31:41 like settling as far as like Fromso fans souls fans I'm a core fans I think it's going to need a bit more time yeah but yeah all of this information is coming from two guys that have not finished the game by any means that yeah I'm still a couple weeks
Starting point is 01:31:56 yeah we're both in chapter two Yeah, and there's... I've just been going back and having a lot of fun with earlier. And I've seen some future bosses and it's just like, I'm looking at this shit and this shit just fucking looks like millennia to me, you know? It looks like that kind of... It's exciting.
Starting point is 01:32:14 Yeah, and it's just like... There is criticisms that people are saying that if you build a setup X way, you can basically get through the whole game really easily. And I will say every Dark Souls games like that because you can basically cheat... There's a way to cheese everything. And if you willing to... choose to cheese
Starting point is 01:32:31 and you find it easy that's not the game's fault you've just wanted to choose it that's also a valid way of getting through it yeah but like it also like with the way FromSoft has been going it's like pick up the pace pick up the pace pick up the pace get faster and faster
Starting point is 01:32:46 and faster and faster and then it's like well how much faster can you get and this is it you know you reduce the difficulty a bit but you just like increase that that velocity so you'll just always is just go away.
Starting point is 01:33:02 It seems like quite a good game to release after Elder Ring in terms of like it's not about like a big map. It's level by level. The gameplay pretty much could not be more different. The setup is so different. I think it's um... I'm not sure if you've seen what Bandai Namco have said
Starting point is 01:33:18 but I think it's genius. Because they said like from From Soft's name they can make this a franchise for the future. They can like make this this sort of bed of fans yeah because they said like it's not going to sell as well as
Starting point is 01:33:39 as Eldon Wing they know that but they'll be able to make new fans by releasing it yeah which is great because it's like this is interesting new yeah they've made a fan out of me yeah I mean and we've got to realize MET games never hit in the West
Starting point is 01:33:55 and they never have this might be the first one that creates like a devote mech game fan base in the west and that's a big thing because mecs are cool the West hates mex you know but this could be the start of like a a mech resurgence in the West
Starting point is 01:34:13 and mex are cool yeah be curious how it's selling it's probably quite well I'm pretty sure it's been doing really well and I've been going back and do like we're playing some of the earlier levels because it's like you know I beat the sea spider and it took away a few tries so I'm not like
Starting point is 01:34:27 going to those next levels and it's just like this isn't as difficult, but I know it's like that next big boss is going to be, it's going to test me. It's constantly building. It's called a sonic S-rank thing, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. I can try and S-rank each level. So now I'm like, I'm getting almost anxious of like, how much is this one going to fuck me?
Starting point is 01:34:44 So I'm like, I'm going back so I can buy all the weaponry so that when I get that boss, I can be like, sit there and be like, what am I going to have to change? Instead of having to go exit the level, we get more money. It's like I'm trying to just grind a bit early on just to be an experiment even more when I do get stuck because then I'm like really thinking about it. But at the same time,
Starting point is 01:35:04 doing these levels, there's so many little hidden things that I'm like, I'm getting these S-Rankes because I'm like finding a really fast way to do it. And I generally having it. I'm glad you've finally got the FromSoft bug. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:18 And it's like now I'm like picturing. I think I can do every other Dark Souls games because if I'm looking at my dark guy, that's not a guy, that's a meck. Everything's a meck and I can be like, I can make this work. But it is very cool And I like that
Starting point is 01:35:31 They're like At the moment They're teasing Like a certain character To be like Your Wivalais It's like he almost knows What you are
Starting point is 01:35:38 So it's like They're teasing And you've like Allied of him once And it's like They're teasing Like a good fight between them And it's like
Starting point is 01:35:44 I've seen some of later levels Where there's multiple enemy Like factions fighting each other While you're fighting It's like It seems to actually Like fucking pop off
Starting point is 01:35:54 Yeah And then there's a mech This Melania boss looks exactly like a meck for my favourite Gundam anime he's got these little like bulls that are like independent weapons and shit and it's like holy fuck that looks cool as fuck
Starting point is 01:36:06 so I'm really really hyped but at the same time I'm like that's gonna fuck me I know that's gonna be really difficult so I want to... That's part of it though yeah you gotta feel that fear
Starting point is 01:36:16 I know I've got it but the same time it's like I want to get through it but yeah it's yeah I'm glad you can finally experience that for real and it is for a AAA game that's just come out it's like 50 pound at launch
Starting point is 01:36:28 because like it really I don't know I didn't have much of a marketing campaign that wasn't like loads of height and stuff it's got Carl Urban in a trailer yeah
Starting point is 01:36:39 yeah I don't think Fromsoft need it and this no that's the thing Fomsoft is a quality name so everyone can be like this game's gonna hit and it's gonna be good
Starting point is 01:36:51 I think people underestimate Vati Vidya as well like he's made like three videos on the game load millions of views there's like 300 million views the dude's huge man I I'm gonna say the soundtrack
Starting point is 01:37:08 fucking walks you'll be up into that load that's title screen and the mecs like pulling a big like fucking pillar drive out of a robot and it's just like this fucking music man it's fucking cool is it because that honestly the soundtrack is why I bought Starfield
Starting point is 01:37:22 if I'm being real really um because I was watching a few stream of it and the music was excellent from what I was hearing and it is very good um yeah when it like Ashley plays not from so Bethesda are good at soundtracks for the most they are yeah yeah but from soft are as well yeah it's it'll be a very different pace to Starfield but some of the music is like this yeah it's it's like I don't know how to explain the style but it's almost like what's the genre like what's the music genre
Starting point is 01:37:53 it's like orchestral kind of it's also trance see what's the sound you hear like electronic sounds yeah yeah orchestral sound but it's like that's this high like bpm yeah just intensity it's almost like almost like the the title screen like song it's almost a little bit depressing it's like somber i think all the sound effects though like i can feel in 10 years having nostalgia for this game like the sound effects before someone talks to you in the the comms that sort of thing is like it just cementes itself do you have the audio tracks on
Starting point is 01:38:29 Japanese vocals? No no no no it feels like with FOMsoft it's like the English stuff is good so it's like I tend to just leave it because if it's Sekaro it's default on Japanese Oh is that the default was yeah yeah oh okay
Starting point is 01:38:44 with subtitles because in Japan the default is English vocals for Dark Souls but Japanese subtitles being it's a Japanese right yeah and then it's the inverse for us because with Sakaro because it's based in Japan yeah they're like in the Dark Souls is set in like European kind of yeah and I guess with with the whole MEC thing in in like the greater world of corporations and whatnot it does make sense how it's like
Starting point is 01:39:12 English it might be the the language yeah and whatnot and the English like all the voice performances sound pretty good yeah and it's almost like there I know there's more to that might be revealed in the story but now it's just like it's almost like I'm getting that horrible feeling of this like yeah this is like
Starting point is 01:39:30 this is like a critique of war because you're killing these mecks and they're people you know obvious things I didn't get with ace combat even though I'm shooting down fucking countless planes but it's just like reading like battle logs
Starting point is 01:39:42 that you can find in the levels it's just like it feels as though the more you think about like the world that you're playing in the the more like depth there is to it you know if you actually contextualize in your head what's going on
Starting point is 01:39:58 suddenly it's like whoa the shit just gets deeper and deeper yeah and that that is a thing of the Mac genre like there's a few Gundam series that has like prioritized that and whatnot and it's just like I'm glad they're delving into that because it is like a you know the way the story's going at the moment with the planet basically being exploited by the companies the corporations and you've got the rebelling faction and then you've got this other faction going
Starting point is 01:40:23 and it's really trying to go in on there so I'm like really honestly after your guys' discussion and I'm more excited about it than I thought I would just I would say is buy it do that first level
Starting point is 01:40:36 and if you get enjoyment through that and you get past the first boss you can make a choice of I can play this more because it is just kind of silly fun jumping around and a fucking tank and shit that's what's so awesome about
Starting point is 01:40:49 like the story is that like you can take it as surface level as you want or you can really get like invested yeah yeah the customization does look very cool yeah it's really cool just experiment with new guns and whatnot and it's like I found weapons that are like terrible for bosses but like I can like speed one everything else and get to the boss and it's like I just fucking love max man I fucking love mix yeah and it's it's one of those games where like I've been at work and stuff for days not being able to play it and it's like my head is just thinking like what build am i going to use how am i going to do next yeah i've done these levels which ones do i want to replay like if someone's played at armbur core and they're like
Starting point is 01:41:32 they've got that mech there's so much fucking good mech stuff out outside of neon genesis evangeline there's a lot of there's a lot of really good mech stuff out there that you can now like experience just opening the doors to like so many good shows and movies about mex and it's just like that I appreciate Max like nothing else Max are the cooler shit so I hope this does like invigorate that new love in some people who haven't otherwise experienced it
Starting point is 01:41:58 I will talk about Max all day man all day I'm glad it's landed because I wasn't sure like how it was going to settle yeah no honestly before because we met for coffee this morning that's what we talked about morning before you arrived for like hour hour and a half we were
Starting point is 01:42:18 talking about Armacore. Like we could talk about this shit for like five more hours. I was like, I want to go home. I know I've got to do things tonight, but part of me is like, I could do an Armacore level. I'm like trying to get you, man. That's how they get you. No, but I like that with it being like a menu select,
Starting point is 01:42:38 it's not like, as someone who hasn't done a Dart Souls, it's like it was always overwhelming that I couldn't really dip out of it because I'd lose context of what's going. on so it's almost like you've got sink in and get that fucking done get that first play through and then you kind of dip more in on second playfoods but if armoured core it's just like it's level select yeah so you can just those chunks jump in and apparently uh the new game plus a new game plus adds a whole more story beats loads of more characters levels the bosses it just keeps going and it and branching story paths as well
Starting point is 01:43:12 but that's even a thing i find with like going way back to dot source three like I've got know history with that game if I come up across a boss that I can't beat it becomes this like well I can't settle until I beat this guy yeah that's what it's got me I gotta keep trying it then until I do it and you keep getting closer and closer and like you can't submit until you've done it
Starting point is 01:43:36 yeah it's that's what I had with the Baltas fight because in our group chat there's so mess to be like I can't do this guys I can't do it man shit fuck this and then and it's like I go to bed angry I'd be laying in bed and like fun in the morning, like, this is, I'm angry, man. I had that with Sekro bosses. And then it's like, I wake up and it's all I think about. And then I go home and I spend like two hours trying and it fucks me again.
Starting point is 01:43:58 And it's the next, it's like, the frustration builds even more. But when I get home on that day and I, like, chill out and I'm like, I can do this. And then I do it. And this is like, the dopamine reward you get from doing that. It's like those moments where it's like you get your control and you're about like smash it out. Like excitement, you're like, test. Yeah, you fucking did it. Like, that's got, like, me.
Starting point is 01:44:18 having that experience should probably tell you that it has like that dark core DNA in there like I would seriously just try try out that the intro because it does throw like a lot of what I'm a core is then you and then you can experience I'm glad you guys are enjoying it yeah buy it pick it up on a sale and it's not a 60 pound game at launch
Starting point is 01:44:36 yeah and that and that is actually really you don't have to buy every skin in the game they just come like packaged in does it have a best edition no yeah it does but it's like the soundtrack. It's the art book or something and yeah. It's not a digital like dude there's not even a battle pass is you for real
Starting point is 01:44:57 yeah there's no about there's no skin packs there's going to be a skin pack that's like evangelicalian crossover then I'll be fine that shit yeah I like that there's like people making like five highs for the mobile in the vinyl creating creative with like the decal systems and there's going to be
Starting point is 01:45:13 some really ridiculous like yeah give it a few months those mods are getting mental how long before there's like a F-35 fucking fighter jet mod? You just fly around them at that. I'm pretty sure the day it released someone had made a CJ from San Andreas for a
Starting point is 01:45:29 me. Yes, it's just a giant CJ. They've made like a mod to have CJ. Yeah and it's just like I will probably keep an eye on it. It's the same where I do with a... Like, we playing Ace Combat is a bit shit. Like I've always tried to redo a play a few, but it's been difficult. But I'm like hyper
Starting point is 01:45:44 to see what like... Because I imagine it's going to be ADLC for it because they they tend to do like one DLC and that's it well I can't believe this came out before the autumn ring yeah there's supposed to be an autumn ring one yeah there is there's going to be yeah yeah I forgot I forgot about yeah yeah I just what I'm excited to see what they might do in the future no I think it almost guarantees a sequel yeah but they confirmed that this is gonna make new fans so I think there will be yeah and I'll be there for it yeah I can say and I'm only on chapter 2
Starting point is 01:46:17 I fucking love Max Ron I was chatting shit about Max Hey what Jamie was actually saying I thought Max were lame as hell I'll be honest and then I start playing this game and I'm like shit You're one of one of Missile pods This cool A-F
Starting point is 01:46:33 And then I bought the game I played the game Mecs are awesome Max can be cool they just can be really cringe So when they're really cartooning it's just like No I need like some more realistic mechanical matrix revolutions and then someone was like you
Starting point is 01:46:48 you love Titanfall right and I was like oh that is Mac yeah that is Mac no that was me because you I was just like you were saying about it I was chatting shit about mex and you were like you love Titanfall and you were like no they're like cool Western mex I'm like that I'm like Japanese Mex man
Starting point is 01:47:04 and it's like they have swords and shit the melee weapons are really fucking fun to use they are I hope respawn capitalises on this new mech like invigoration Titanful 3 yeah the Avatar 3 tie-in game and the fun the fun thing another thing is when your weapon ones out of ammo you just don't have it so you've got fists so you go
Starting point is 01:47:23 one around and you just bang yeah like fighting fucking punching mex just punch them I found it funny so I went into one of these levels and I accidentally unequipped like my sword so I was like flying on this level and I was like gonna do the lunch it's just like my mate just fucking went up and punched the cunt off a fucking lead and it's just like yeah it's so sick it's uh yeah it's good Damn. It's like dodging like missile attacks against you
Starting point is 01:47:49 and laser attacks as you were like shooting missiles at them and you're going in for like a punch and you're like blasting with a shotgun shit. It's so good. Okay, thank you for watching.
Starting point is 01:48:00 Yeah, I hope you enjoy all my core out there. See on the next episode. You better do because that was like an hour of conversation. Just that. Yeah. I don't know.

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