JAR Media Posdact - Adore This Pig - JARCast Episode 279

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

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Can we have pig pig instead of bear better? No. Oink, oink. What's his name? What's her name? She is Gert. Gertie, Quindle. Not Gertie.

No, not Quindle. Yeah, Quindle's back every one. Quindle's back and better than ever. I need to make sure that the font's not going to wobb, so I might have to use a hammer and do other cool things. Oh, hammer's cool. I do like it whenever I have to use an excuse to use the hammer. Oh yeah, I love hammers.

I love tools. I love getting hammer. When I was repairing the burn-down fence, I had to use the hammer. By repairing, do you mean demolishing? No, no, because I was putting up the meshing to cover the gap. I was nailing it in with some... Epic. I haven't used a hammer in so long.

I don't use hammers often but I do use mallets often Oh epic James James prefers the hammer and sickle I do Any excuse to bring out the hammer and sickle I'm doing it

I'm more of a hammer and tickle I'm good afternoon morning evening or night Ladies and gentlemen Welcome to Jarkast 279 Wow I'm your host Alex joined by Jim and James I'm Jim

I'm James And I'm yeah you can never give them all of it you this this is how you keep them coming back because they're coming back to find out like who are you yeah who's the whole group this is so confusing just listening since day one just trying to figure out

and on the way it was just so funny I had to stop listening so it normally goes this is a cast that's made possible thanks to those over the JAR Media Patreon especially make the audio version possible and have their names read out in the first week of each month, sometimes by Randy even, if he's feeling

scary enough. Scary. We forget to do it. We never do that. We're pretty organized. So organized that maybe you might get an extra video. So we normally start getting to the mood with some housekeeping

cleaning up the mess. Can I just bring back an old meme? Any time Whenever you feel like it It's a relatively recent meme But like the fact that we're always ill I'm ill I thought that was my thing

That I'm always ill No we've had like over the past Since COVID era Like one of us has just been ill And then normally Just saying the C word Gets it flagged on Spotify I noticed it was scrolling

I was scrolling through Spotify Looking at And seeing that certain Jari episodes had, like, big, like, warnings on them, like, with, like, links to, you know, COVID info. Yeah. So, I guess it's, like, an effort to counter, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks, Joe Rogan. Yeah.

But, yeah, I'm ill. You, have you not got hay fever? No, I thought it was hay fever, but it's, it's not. You got summer cold? I reckon I've, I had hay fever the first day it was really high pollen. And then after that, I got, like, a coldy, chesty sort of thing. Because it's been too much of, like, that cold curve. And where it gets, like, and where it gets worse in the evening and shit.

Like, it doesn't make sense to me that that would be hair fever. For it to be combined with a cold. So expect me to have it by the next one. Yeah. And probably me, because I can feel it coming. I'm getting a blocky nose. Yeah, that's how it started for me. Don't give me a cold.

No, no, wait. Don't give it to Alex. Because then we won't be able to go to see Jungle next week. Yeah. Alex will get like the worst flu possible on Friday, and then we will just have to cancel it. But the thing with this cold is that it hasn't been debilitating by any means. I had one relatively bad day, but it still managed... It might not be debilitating to you, but it will to Alex. And you.

I don't know, man. I'm on the echin. now. That shit actually does a lot. It does. Yeah, I take that my echinacea root every day. I love a good tonic. Yeah, and I've been having a few gin and tonics, so maybe that's making me invincible too, right?

Actually, the alcohol probably counters it because alcohol like affects your immune system. Yeah, but like... So maybe it's perfectly balanced. You're still getting Quinn, quinn. Is it the tonic? Quinny. Quinny.

Quinnin A common I love talking about this God every time someone's like gin and tonic I'm like, did you know The creation of tonic water Was actually as a A tonic to alleviate symptoms of malaria

A common mosquito bites Disease So like medic guys would show up And be like drink this tonic It would be like in the ancient ancient times I think it was South America they discovered that quinine helps with malaria. They were like, do you prefer Bombay Sapphire or?

Yeah. Which phoeuvre do you like him? This one goes really lot of lime. Do you want Sicilian lemonade on the feeder tray or just a slim line? Yeah. And then it was discovered in like, basically when, when South America was invaded by the Conquist Cadors?

Yeah. I'll tell you what's been invaded by locals. That's Sammy's Cababs. I was there the other day waiting for my order. Who do I see? A bit of jarling. Well, they see me, I guess.

Have a little interaction. Just want to shout him out. His name was Jamie. It's another Jamie. Two in a row. I thought it was James. Oh no, sorry, you're right. No, I wrote it down wrong.

No, that is confusing. It was James. Sorry, yeah, it was James. Sorry, yeah, it was James. Who I am. And then the latest one was James, who he is. Yeah. Okay, so yeah.

His name was James. He mentioned he was an Apex YouTuber. So shout out to James. It didn't catch his Sammy's order. I hope we got that hot sauce because Sammy knows how to make that source. He does. The Sammy's hot sauce is not that good. Because it overpowers.

He's slandering Sammy. the cast, man. No, because, no, I, this is my opinion. Garlic marrow is the only source you need of anything. And if you get the chili sauce, it overpowers the garlic in the garlic meo. No, I just get both. No, because, what am I saying? It overpowers the garlic meos.

You don't get that lovely garlic mayo taste. Not true. Absolutely is true. So shout out to the jarlings out there in the wild. And speaking of, actually, I eat civil servants. left this on the jar subreddit saying hello mingers. It's me, Jay from TV Girl. I'm writing in to clear my name my friend had a spare ticket invited me last minute so I tagged along to the gig even though I hadn't heard of the band before. I was very nervous and a little bit tipsy when I said hello to Alex so

when he asked me if I was a fan of TV Girl I said yes before realising what I'd actually said. I then backtrack and claimed I wasn't a fan but didn't explain myself until Alex asked why on earth I was even there if I didn't like TV Girl. I then said, oh, my friend dragged me along. In hindsight, I must have sounded like a prat, but oh well. It was still very nice to meet Acu B in the flesh, and I hope you enjoyed the concert as much as I did. Also, during the concert, I happened to have a silly little gnome in my pocket, which I was hoping to give to Alex after the gig.

Unfortunately, my friend and I had to run to catch the car before the car park closed, so I've decided to send the little guy on his merry way to your PO box. Keep an eye out for him. Finally, I'd like to pose an unrelated question to the cast if one might refer to a dog as a dogo, and surely it follows that one might refer to a cat as a pussio. Thanks. Bear Bear, to

be fair, fair, and word to James's father, Jay. No, I never, don't put yourself down, calling himself a Pratt. It was like, fine, it wasn't a big deal. It upset me, but, you know. Yeah, it upset Jim, but, you know, whatever. Who cares about Jim? Yeah.

But to answer your question, and I suppose Yeah I suppose to that as well Yeah Yeah Also why did you have The name in your pocket

Like were you expecting To see Alex Yeah I forgot to mention that bit That like huge garden gnome protruding from his pocket It was quite odd Is that a garden name in your pocket Or are you pleased to see me

Yeah so hopefully that shows up And we can put him on pigsies Little cute little smile Over there I love this pig I'd go as far as to say adore this pig I don't like this pig

it's one of those things where like the second you see it it's like it brings me actually it genuinely brings me joy doesn't matter how bad of a day you're having

you're looking to that little smile and it's like don't worry do da da da it's exactly one of those and I gotta give you credit for spotting him yeah because we we walked

past the display of the display down Swindon way and we walked past it had dinner came back after walking around the place for a bit and on the first walk past it I'd eyed this guy up I was like that's a bit I like that pig

that's important so then on the way back there was no way we were leaving without the pig I think if you hadn't bought it I would have just kept it for myself and it's damn heavy quality materials quality craftsmanship all round

yeah James describe what we're talking about for those listening so this is my description for those that might be visually impaired it's a pig thanks for that one

a ball left a comment saying finally a James only episode I was getting tired of those brothers. So last episode, the gimmick was like, the camera was on its side. So it made it on YouTube, like, the TikTok format. Mm. So if you were, like, pressed, it would, like, fill the screen like a TikTok video. Really?

Yeah. Yeah. Cool. And, um, I think there should be a James episode. Just James? A just James episode. Okay. Yeah.

I don't know if I'd be able to put it off, because I'd have to have an actual mental breakdown for it to like entertaining. I'd have to go in on. Why? Yeah, you're going to have to explain yourself on that one, bro. What can I talk? I'm not like Alex. I can't just do a single cast by talking to my dog. What? Which is what you've done. Oh, on argue interview? The argue interview. But like, I've done a solo cast. Yeah, and you were trying to do it, make it structured, and I'm not going to do that if I was doing by myself. It would have to be like the purest form of chaos, of no subjects, no, no format, just absolute insanity. Purity.

Yeah. Concentration. Yeah. That's fine. You can record that whenever you want. Just put it up as a side video. Just James, full stop. But I'd have to use some substance to get through to make it happen.

Just all of them. Yeah. Akenetia? Yeah, I'm just going to overdose on Akenetia and see what happens. You never have a cold ever again. Like, hopefully, Gregory Davidson. I hope he doesn't suffer with colds, but I suppose I don't know him. Bear Bear is ironically a great catchphrase.

I think my life has been improved exponentially by saying it. Also, in regards to the Black Adam trailer, I thought it was hilarious how they emphasized that he killed people, and then later in the same trailer showed him smashing a place, a sorry, a plane, that the pilot safely parachute, not to mention virtually every DC hero in the Snyderverse has killed. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman. No way Rock will actually play a villain.

He cares too much about his image. I'd love for James to play Black Adam in a film instead. I think you'd do a better job. Here, here. That was a great point, though. I didn't even, like, think about... Yeah, I didn't consider that. It's, like, supposed to be almost a core tenet of a lot of these characters,

and it's, like, Superman killing people. I saw a funny, I think it was a tweet that was, like, what would even be the point of doing the Flashpoint Paradox? Because that story, it's like, they go to the different universe. and it has the inverse characters which is basically already what they are yeah like will he

flashpoint paradox to like a proper that was probably their plan before emezra kind of screwed the pooch on that one he should flashpoint paradox into being cast as someone else he's actually Iron Man in the MCU

you're seeing some of his like Instagram posts that was putting on his story that have been like taken down. There's weird stuff like you can't catch me in other universes and stuff like this. And he posted one

that was like a zoomed in screenshot of like an article talking about Ben Afflex Batman and he'd like Joker written ha ha ha ha on top of this like really just Google if you're interested like Ezra Miller Instagram deleted and then just go on images

and there'll be a bunch there. Do you know what's kind of insulting is the fact that What's his name? Ezra? No. Ben Affleck? No.

Henry Cabo? The one he slapped Chris Rock. Will Smith has had harsher punishments from Hollywood. I can imagine Will Smith actually working again is the difference. I don't think you're going to see Ezra Miller. No, but they're still releasing the movie. Yeah. Which is like...

But that's just purely economic. Like, imagine how... much money they can't what are they going to just eat the like 100 to 200 million they spend? But you think it's really going to do well enough to even make the money back? Um, pretend

this is superheroes we're talking about men. Yeah, it's got Batman and it's got Michael, yeah, they've already paid to have like Michael Keat and Ben Affleck in there. Wait, what? Yeah, because that's the story. It's like the flash going to the, you know, the different universes and getting the different Batman's. I'm very... It's like in the comics and

them, like, some of the movies and stuff, That's a fun team up, the Flash and Batman. It kind of works widdly well. But maybe not when the lead actor's doing what he's doing. He's on a mission. They. Sorry, they. I was talking about his character, the Flash, when he's playing the Flash.

Yeah, the character is a he. Yeah. Mayo support says this, bear bear. The laughing segment is too relatable. I have an internship and listening to the rats at work is unbearably difficult. Regards, I see Wiener. The rats at work? It's caught my eye because I wasn't sure if it's like,

do you do something related to rats or is that a typo? Yeah, or did we talk about something to do with rats last episode? That's always a possibility, but I kind of prefer just, imagining that like he's listening to the cast like while exterminating rats or something. Or is he a scientist and he's like testing on rats? Actually yeah, he says an internship

and listening to the rats at work. Or by, does he just mean people? Like people in the rat race of life. Ooh. Oh, that's pretty derogatory though. Why? Those wats. Yeah. Well, we're fine to people as... That's what we should refer to people as... People?

No, that's what we should refer to people who don't listen to Jaya. the rats yeah so the people if you're hearing this right now you're not a rat you're safely not

everyone else is there unless you rat on us to the to the authorities that means you are a whack yeah it's not permanent it's only while you're currently listening yeah the second you stop listening you're a rat

so you got to have the more downloaded on a loop just going to not be rat you actually finally see the world for what it is when you're listening to us it's like in they live taking the gold of them. Yes, it's the pay-lib glasses. It's a podcast.

Jack Diamond says this, hey, bear bear boy boys. Awkward one to ask, but have you ever tried earthing, also known as grounding? Just basically being shoeless for a while outside to connect with the earth or something. People say it makes you feel good, but I can't say for certain. I do it, but only because shoes don't feel great. It's awkward for me to ask because of the scum and villainy side of internet, making it weird. Anyway, cheers bears. Okay, so we know the answer from Jamie says Jamie is going to be a no, because he'd never take shoes off.

I used to always go shoeless. What about you, Alex? Well, it should be in our Kiwi blood that we don't want to wear shoes. And I do like that concept, but we've lived in the UK more of our life. Maybe if we'd started young, got this calluses nice and firm, then perhaps. But otherwise... I do it pretty regularly. what walking through like a field

bare foot not field no but how are you grounding if you're just walking on pavement but you're not yeah but you're not touching the earth well no but I'm not doing it to ground myself I'm doing it because I can't be bothered to put zoos on

it's raining outside I need to get something from my garage and I'm just gonna walk outside I like the feeling of grass or sand on a beach nah not sand and that grass is a bad idea because you're one step away from dog poo

well no I obviously pick up the poop No, but you don't know the poops that Oh no, I memorize where every poop has ever been You know But I wouldn't I wouldn't necessarily do it like in public or in a park or something It's like you don't know Like it's normally because of humans right

Leaving a smashing a bottle Standing on glass and maybe there's a nail Uh huh Nail not fun I've yet to stand on anything Bad when walking with no shoes on Really? Because I walk to my garage

And that's obviously You never trod on a thumbtack? No No, as in walking outside I've not stood on anything That's injured me yet Have you ever stood on a thumbtack there? No, I've stood on shards of glass

Oh When they get all infected and gross Oh Yeah Got infected Yeah, because I didn't know it at the time I didn't know I stood on the glass At the time

So it kind of just Yeah, our, um, our nan was in like a car crash in the 80s or something. And I think in the early 2000s, a bit of glass came out of her finger from that car crash. That's how long it was in there. Yeah, it can happen. It's just, because all the skin will grow over it and then eventually it'll be like, oh. Jamie Richardson says this, preach it James, milk is disgusting. The pasteurization process literally had to be invented to stop it from being policed.

Why that wasn't a warning sign to stop sucking teat juice from livestock is beyond me. That said, plant-based milk substitutes such as soy and oat banging, and a chocolate shake made from soy milk would technically be a 100% bean smoothie, bean on. Why is the same to me? Because you're saying how much you hate milk? Yeah, milk is gross. I love it. Yeah. I can't stand milk.

Milk is... conceptually gross but so many things we devour but like eggy bread man well eggs kind of gross like in concept no no the only gross part of our eggs is the fact that they come out of chickens it's just a shell that's coming out of a chicken but how the fuck do they make shell the protein-y inside the embryo it's like if you think about what an egg is It's like a pre... It's like cum.

It's like woman cum. It's like... It's an egg, it's an unfurtilized egg, waiting to... Well, yeah, it's the inverse of semen. But in a shell. Or pre-cum. No, the inverse of semen. Pre-chicken semen.

No, because semen, semen is like... Semen is... like the man equivalent of egg yeah do you get what I'm saying you need the two to make well yeah no to make a human being oh they're in and yang

semen yeah yeah I see what I'm so semen equals egg the egg without semen is egg the egg without seamen is egg the egg without seem yeah

the egg with semen is chicken yes yeah so you're just eating woman semen yeah not woman chicken chicken chicken chicken chicken woman

chicken woman xx puggy xx says this can we change the at to the three tepees you know what I'm dumb with this housekeeping segment that's just push me over the line

well can't me end up on this one from Searle Wilsmouth I'm sorry but the cast has simply gotten too funny unsubbed wouldn't be the first and it's definitely not going to be the last yeah well I hope it's not the last right we've got some awful topics to talk about when do we not have awful topics to sort

normally they're amazing but today we've got an awful one well that's because this is because you've decided the topics for today you can always bring a topic I have bought a topic I always bring topics this is week number four of my topic and we didn't talk about it last week. Oh, do you want to talk about that?

Do you want to talk about... I want the horrible one. Yeah, let's talk about the horrible one. I want grim, I want dark, I want whole... It's not grim or dark, it's just pedantic A-F. Well, isn't that, like, Jarre's whole thing?

Yeah, I don't know it. Right. Oh, it's not social media, is it? What, you were building this all up saying you wanted to talk about this on the cast? I was fine, would not. Why'd you bust it early as well? Because...

Why do you bust it early? Because it's already been busted early, because I resorted to talking to the Jarlings direct on the JAR Media Twitter to prove... You mean the thing you normally, whenever we do, say, oh, it doesn't count because it's Twitter and it's your own orders? Oh, yeah, this doesn't count, but the comments from this very video are going to prove you wrong, so I'm not losing out. Well, first, let's give context, right?

We were having a nice meal, having a few drinks, whatever. We were talking about how much of a pain it is for us to organise anything. Yeah, but this was like an hour-long discussion. which concluded with me saying I tried to do everything in my power to use as little social media as possible which what with what I meant being that

anything to reduce phone use I will do right no but you use the words social because I used the word social media yes and you got really attached to this idea because I use WhatsApp to communicate with you guys and WhatsApp so then it became a debate about

is WhatsApp a social media which I was like yes and no with firmly in the camp of no because it isn't um to be fair i was never that hard core on either side no but there is a fact here and that it is not i have an opinion but anyway continue well i prefer i've uh prepared my personal like statements or whatever my introductory statements well yeah should we do this like um the presidential well if If you're kind of impartial, you can be the moderator. No, but this isn't fair.

Because you're arguing against me. I've got to make a statement for why WhatsApp isn't a social media. And it's me, so you're automatically going to win. Why, you're putting yourself down like that, bro? Because we know, everyone knows. Every jar. Also, Jim agrees with you, though. I agree more with gems than I do with you.

Every jarling knows that if it's a debate involving me, I will always lose. Not true. No, that is 100%. century because I do not have the language skills that you two have. I do not have the argument-based debate skills that you have. I'm not good language. I don't have any knowledge. I'd have nothing in my brain. I'm like a golden retriever. But I guess that that's equal because I mean Alex are both golden retrievers. So it's like the different kinds. So I think it's interesting how we stumbled across this. Right. It was actually extremely frustrating.

personally. Yeah, but I also I don't think it's quite as simple as it was made out to be. Because I think it's fair to use social media as a catch-all term to describe things. Especially when you're talking about WhatsApp where it literally does have social media features. Like, its core design wasn't necessarily

like status updates, exactly like Snapchat. The state, the fuck, I'm waiting for game. If you only use who actually uses the status update or WhatsApp? If you use Snapchat, sorry, if you use WhatsApp just to talk to individual people, just like you would have a text or whatever. Most, pretty much everyone uses your way. No, but if you're using huge group chats and you're sending links and media and images

and constantly using the status update feature, then that falls under the compass of social media. What part of that is mass? Is someone in Brazil seeing your messages? No. But someone in Twitter. If you have a Snapchat and you only share your status to, like, private people on there. Like, it's how you're using it, right? That doesn't make it not social media.

But Snapchat is a social media because by design, it's used no differently to Twitter. There's a homepage and it shows you all these articles, all this garbage they're putting in front of you. Yeah, I would say part of social media to me is if it has, like, news media integration. if there is some sort of mass communication like no matter how you use Snapchat you scroll to the right and there's like the sun and all these articles and stuff

and like tabloid crap on Twitter it's the same thing you go to like the search bit and it's all articles and stuff and Instagram same thing Instagram isn't the same but it is

entirely based on pictures it's me in that regard and that you're following all these celebrities who are mass shitting out content. Yeah. Let me read this to you. I found something interesting. Let me know what you think about this. This is a complex question because social media is a broad term corresponding to a set of products in an industry that is rapidly changing. The term social media means something different today than it did last year than it did 10 years ago. So I'm going off probably what I learned in like A-level ICT.

Yes. That being said, one can argue both ways. WhatsApp is a social media platform. On WhatsApp, you can share text, images and videos to other users and individuals and groups. Additionally, they have a moment's feature very similar to Instagrams and Snapchat stories, the latter two being more conventionally considered social media. If not the entire app, one could at least argue that it has some features of social media. WhatsApp is not a social media platform.

WhatsApp was originally created as an app to post dynamic status updates associating with your phone number. It later evolved into a messaging app. to a messaging app, which is what it's most popular for today. It is now trying to monetize as a service to allow stores to easily communicate with their customers with WhatsApp for business. None of these features are very much related to social media, but rather communication. So from this perspective, we can argue that WhatsApp is instead a communication app.

But then, where's the line between communication and social media? Mass. No, but one of the key points to social media is mass communication, and you can use. it for mass communication. You can't know. You can't use WhatsApp because you've got to already be connected with someone and know them to be able to connect with them on WhatsApp. You can't just post something in someone around the world and see it. And then just out of curiosity I like just googled social media apps went to images. You just scroll through us all these like tables full of like just as a broad term,

catch-all term. It's included in there. Like the top 25 most popular social media platforms in the world, Facebook, YouTube, WhatsApp, Facebook, Messenger, Instagram, we chat, TikTok, blah, blah. So my stance is that considering the context of what we were talking about, the way you guys interpreted it was pedantic as fuck, and turned it into a discussion about definitions instead of just what I was saying about wanting to use my phone less. But that is different.

Saying you want to use your phone less is different to wanting... Yeah, I could have definitely phrased it clearer. but honing in on just knowing that i use WhatsApp because i because i i gravitate towards WhatsApp because it doesn't have the horrible algorithm led social media which is what you find on social media yeah i'd argue but it's it's it's about personal definitions and it means neither of you are wrong it's like a cop-out but that is it it's like what No, but when it became like called me a boomer

saying I'm a fucking right wing like Nazi because of it What the fuck? That's that's just That's just, that's just That's James just pushing the boat out Like it's quite a bit That's like oh we're getting to like the whole

The argument we've been at this point We've been arguing for like one One and a half hours over it And it's just like Yeah Yeah Yeah because I was saying I I

like algorithms a lot and what they're tinkered to do I feel like is causing a lot of harm yeah yeah there's irrefutable proof that our brains are not designed and will never be evolved they'll never evolved for us to become accustomed to the this horrible algorithm based garbage they're shooting at us 24-7 well I was alluding to it a few episodes ago I remember saying that I feel like we need to be teaching kids and parents about like about the intricacies of what they're designed to do sooner and have it be more of a priority because our mom's like a primary school teacher I was talking to her the other day about like what what do they actually teach kids now about this kind of stuff because like it was it was terrible like it was non-existent when we were at school basically because

it wasn't it was like a burgeoning thing like bebo and all this shit it was like a different it was different it wasn't as predatory they hadn't figured out quite how powerful it was yet yeah and how to monetize it as viciously as they do and she was just like yeah it's mostly has have a focus has a focus on kind of like personal safety like there are people who will be pretending to be kids out there who are trying to contact you not not not about the more abstract concept of an algorithm that is delivering you content based on how you engage with it I mean it's it's a confusing thing for anyone to get their head around at any age at any point.

It's like the iPad parenting thing's already a problem. But that's because the parents, they're probably addicted and a huge set of the users don't even like know what is happening. You know? Like, I was talking in the same conversation with my mom, she was talking about a friend

from back in New Zealand has recently gone down the Facebook rabbit hole, the Facebook rabbit hole. Really easy. I find, all this kind of stuff. The thing about Facebook, it's fascinating that it's actually, I believe, I generally believe it's actually

they are trying to push it themselves because I have no connection to anybody who likes because obviously my little cookie online profile, I'm not connected to anyone who would already have a pre-existing interest in this. So why is Facebook literally pushing this conspiracy, furious agenda like crazy to everyone because it's benefiting them? It's also because Facebook's base is... A boomers. They went on to Facebook like 2012 and just over the years got more and more addicted

while the younger people kind of filtered out for the most part onto your Instagrams, your Snapchats, your TikToks, stuff like that. On to the fresher stuff. This is actually a way I would describe a social media in my opinion, though. Going back to like the original debate. If it is possible to go down a rabbit hole on it, yeah then it's a social media I can't I'm because that that is your like the but I feel like

it's such a web and especially when it's they all started copying each other there was like a time where these apps were way more distinct and their purposes were way more disconnected but there were they came a point where they all just started copying each other's features they're not copying each other they're all copying TikTok that one no like like first they copied created that status function yes then Instagram stole the WhatsApp stole the Facebook but they all have it. Twitter has it. Yeah, they all have it.

Instagram. So then they all, they all just have like these same feature sets at a certain point. And it's just a matter of like your preferences, basically. Yeah. But they, those core ones are different to me. Yeah. And I would say, we, we like channeled the conversation down into like messaging.

apps and that is a different thing yeah um but you have to admit that this is like weird it's weirdly muddy it's not as like cut and dry because you can they do have feature sets that allow you to use it like a social media even though if certain things were designed for it but weren't it's just weird we just happened to stumble across it because of the way I phrased it to begin with yeah I think it's genuinely an interesting question know like so this this thing has gone so far where we don't even know what it is anymore and in five years like this might be something else well yeah but that's the thing like definitions change with the times yeah what a word means a hundred years ago is different to what it means

now and that's it's it's based on like how people use it yeah because i was simply simplifying it because I was using it as broad as possible including feature sets that are about communication with video pictures memes stuff like that which you can do on all of them yeah but the but you can't like like post a link publicly that anonymous people can engage with yeah but then if you post like stats updates like you could like you've got like your anti-vax like video you found you post it to your WhatsApp status update then it works in the same way yeah you know what I mean but it's it's much more concentrated it's like because I don't how you use it though because you it can be used for huge groups of people all in I guess there are 30 people in a or 100 people in like a if it's like a huge company like people use it that way with like tens and tens of people in group chats on there.

But do they, if it's like, you need, because your phone number is tied to it. If someone has your WhatsApp details, they have your phone number. Right? Yeah. And people don't tend to have phone numbers of people they like don't know.

But does that even come into the equation necessarily? I think it does. As far as the definition is concerned. Because I don't think that is inherently harmful. I think the issue with Twitter and stuff is that you're having a discourse with a bunch of people that you, they're not even humans to you. Yeah. You've got no concept of who they are, their lives. You don't know them in any capacity, but you're arguing about the next god of war and Thor is fat.

Right? Whereas if... So you think anonymity is a key part to it? Yeah. I think the... But does that make like 4chan a social media? Oh, 4chan is a social media. I suppose it is.

It's... No, because the thing with 4chan is... Well, that's why I think it's a catch-all-broad turn. 4-chan is a difficult one because it is one of the only social media's that is actually still stuck in the early 2000s. It's an image board. it's quite literally a different tech. But going back to the rabbit hole thing as well, 4chan has the worst rabbit hole.

Highest, like, most dangerous rabbit hole of them all. 8chan, they'll go spirals on that. That's what's weird being around, like, getting, getting, like, my age for, like, the internet is, like, boomer. Like, being nearly 30, you're basically a boomer, you know? To, like, any TikTok are you're fucking vogue. Well, yeah, think of all the TikTok people who never use forms. No, but now, like, TikTok is, like, based.

It's just like a word people say now. which was like a 4chan origin like all this shit originates from 4chan so it's like so weird to see it now people don't know how difficult how weird the internet was back in the day you had to search on forums and sign up to forums to get basic information about anything

and those are social media it was like just an untamed wild west it was fucking out of control but it was also incredible I take that that over what we've got now any day of the week because then I'm not going to be mentally ill because which is what all these apps are doing

is just making everyone mentally ill and you agree with this we all agree with this there's nothing good from scrolling through those TikTok videos non-stop but like to me that that aspect of interacting with people that aren't human to you whatsoever like what

but then like what if you're sharing links on Facebook on a private Facebook for just people who are like your friends. That is different. That's still social media though. No, but the reason Facebook to me is a social media because it has the capacity for you to see stuff from strangers and you will see stuff from strangers

because a random member of your family that you know will see something through the algorithm from a stranger and repost it or whatever. Mm-hmm. Well, that's why I boiled it down into communication, because networking is like, yeah, your friend sends that to their friend, and then they send it to their friends, and you can do that through all of these. Mm-hmm. So it makes sense to me that it encompasses all of it, even though it's not algorithm-led, like the others. Yeah, and I don't think algorithm is a core part of it.

No, that's what, yeah, that's what I was disagreeing with your takes as well. Yeah, because I remember that came up early and that algorithms have nothing to do with it. Because, see, I don't know if 4chan is a social media because... Just to see what Google thinks. Yeah. But I feel like a social media needs the capacity for both like, like, P.N. and, like, mass communicative functions, like on Twitter, you're able to DM and tweet. Okay, this is interesting. James was spot on.

Unlike its contemporaries, 4chan presents social media in its most primal form. Not dedicated to flashy icons, sleek designs. Interaction is placed at the forefront of the medium with freedom of speech being its defining principle. Um, yes, social media requires two aspects. users can create and share content and participate in social networking. So it is? Yeah, it just straight up is, I guess. Under a broad catch-all.

Yeah. But again, like I say, it's how you define yourself what social media is. Because if you ask, like, your grandmother what's the social media what's your favourite board on um I like Paul maybe you're a manna

but like their their their definition of what a social media is is bound to be different to like someone who's in secondary school now. I feel like that group of people would struggle to even define it.

If we're struggling and we've like grown up with the inception of it. Yeah. There's no chance in hell. They will. Yeah. It's like not even... It feels like an old term, even.

Social media. Yeah. What would you say now, though? TikTok. That's it. TikTok. full stop. I would say the easiest way to generally define it is there are

social media managers and these people do not get paid to manage WhatsApp. They get paid to manage social media. But what if they use the business version where people, because I've I've interacted with a bunch, no no, I've interacted

with a bunch of companies that use WhatsApp as the way you communicate for like... Promos? Not promos, like if you've got a problem and you need it sorted or somewhere. They do it through WhatsApp. Or like we ordered a meal through WhatsApp the other day. Yeah. Yeah, see, that photo goes a good spanner into the books.

Well, I don't think it does, because it's the same as, like, having a phone number back in the 80s. Yeah. You know? But then surely... It's just more streamlined. But you, like, have a Facebook page, a Facebook profile, a Twitter profile. It's kind of like a phone number. It's like the same thing in a way.

but you couldn't like make a phone call that got sent to everyone where it just said like a statement and everyone got that I feel like we're just getting lost in the weeds though so this is why keeping it broad just

catch all the original context of how I was using it I feel like it's you know what I'm saying But I don't think there's an issue with using WhatsApp. When you say, like, social media is killing our brains. Yeah, absolutely is. Yeah.

Totally true, but I don't think communicating via WhatsApp is killing anyone's brain. Yes. But what I was saying by including it in the, in me trying to say, I want to use my phone less, is that they're not, like, an equivalent to me. like sending someone a message on WhatsApp's not the same like that it's like an order to me like talking in person that's what you want it's not always possible and social media allows you to communicate with people otherwise um and I I try keep it as brief as possible to like just to try and organize when we can like meet in person because then it because the more you're on your

phone like doing this stuff then it's like yeah I'm like sending all the Where are you finding these memes that you're sending to each other on WhatsApp? WhatsApp, Insta. Yeah, exactly. You're on Insta. You're on TikTok. You're on any of it. Yeah, because me and Jamie are both ill.

And we're just getting down. We're more integrated into society. It's actually crazy. We are three years apart, right? But technically you are a millennial and I am Gen Z. No, I'm a millennial as well, though. aren't you just cut off no I thought I was the cut off

I just make it I just make it does that not the cutoff I thought the cutoff is 97 no because I'm 97 yeah no I'm 96 but I mean there's no true like no line in the sand but there is like a line here

well because I'm definitely addicted to certain algorithms I'm addicted to the YouTube algorithm yeah yeah but not at all you you never you don't use social media the same way James than I do

and we use it both very differently though no because I'm so anti the goonhole thing the Instagram's just like the short form it's like it's no it's not it's the TikTok form yeah form blur

yeah yeah short snappy instant dopamine is what it is yeah it's destiny gameplay it's the same thing that like you're not is that yeah it's tricking the brain through short little rewards it's vine they were onto it all along yeah they all they all figured out man they just yeah they were they fucked up as they couldn't monetize it was released it was like why

they just doing vine again vine sucked mm-hmm and now it's not yeah it was actually genius what they did in terms of like no but the fact to maximizing engagement for pure profit yeah target children short attention spans include music have music be i think that's where vine probably messed up musically oh yeah musically integrating music the way they did so now it's like now you have like rappers and songs saying that they're bragging about one time on tictock and went viral yeah where it's like actually like so it's like essential to business now well yeah you can easily advertise to tiktok because you don't even make it all

Who would he given a single shit? It was like part of his business model and like how he got as big as he did. If you have like a catchy ditty in your song. Well that was why the Old Town Road thing like exploded because it had a bunch of like lyrics that little kids like could relate to and it like gets pushed into an algorithm. Um, but that was that was my boomer moment was TikTok where it's like that's my cut off point like previously. I was like I didn't like like Snapchat or whatever but it was fine like engaging with it or whatever

like I would download it but here is whether like... But you've actually downloaded TikTok? Yeah I've got it on my phone no but that's the thing I don't. Neither do I am it just quite weird it's strange I just sit here and smile at me

the strange thing is when you don't have TikTok you're cutting yourself off well that yeah like a bunch of modern culture mm-hmm

well because it and you will see TikToks without having TikTok so like they're shared on Twitter they're shared on Instagram YouTube YouTube has the TikTok YouTube has shorts

yeah it's just TikToks it's just been boiled down to this and no and I want to get away from it but I don't know how trying to get away from the Snapchat goon hole is quite whole. I have an answer. What? Angry birds.

Angry birds is lit. Angry birds. It's like resetting your phone back to like 2010. Yeah. It's just like hard restart. I want some entertainment. I'm going to fling some birds. You know? Like it and it's better for your brain. Because you're working things out. it's like a puzzle

you're like right video games are definitely better for your brain as long as they're like there's that thing where like when you first play a new game

your brain has to form all these new connections for you to problem solve maybe it's not the same as like jumping into destiny the third month in a row and doing the strike

you've really done 50 times maybe that's not the same thing but like doing puzzle games and stuff like that it's probably better than going down no honestly

no candy quash the fucking boomer have been on it they've been doing the wide why they also smile that's it that's the way forward

candy crush sucks don't get candy crush get angry birds not angry birds just skip that just get Fortnite there is a big crush over

Fortnite TikTok yeah well that's this all link that it's interlinked entertainment that's what it comes down to and that's also

part of social media to me the capacity for it to be entertainment well yeah I'm sure I'm sure there are a bunch of kids now where that is their entertainment but they're not interested in watching movies they're not interested in playing video games they're satisfied with Instagram Goonhole

and that's just that's it aka TikTok yeah yeah I've seen no I've seen it first hand people in my family like that and it's just like but that's what I mean about teaching kids because it's like that if I was a seven year old and I was handed an iPad when I was we like we just managed to skip this somehow we're just the perfect age to skip this but like what chance do you have when

you're that age you're actually throwing your brain you're frying your attention span yeah you're just and you're never given a chance to actually think and like no wonder like anxiety anxiety mental health in general is skyrocketing like you're never actually processing things from your lives because you're always occupied yeah turn your fucking phone off. But then, but that's the thing, that's the thing with, that's the thing with, that's the thing with meme, though, is that that's like a meme or people like, phomo. No, no, but people make fun of you saying that.

We're like, yeah, phone bad. Yeah, yeah. It's like, what do you, what, you're fucking miserable, dude. Social media, more like anti-social media. Yeah. Where it's like, but it's about balance. Uh-huh. It's always about balance.

Yeah, like the, the amount of time I have spent in the, instance, Instagram Goonhole, I could have watched a bunch of movies that changed my perspective on the world. Yeah. No, but that's what gets... That character at Mr. Robot ruined my life. You know, the one that's all obsessed with time. Yeah. And I'm becoming that character.

You are, because recently I spoke about it and you're like, the time you're wasting, the skills you can learn. I'm just like, yeah, but I'm not going to learn any. Yeah, not even necessarily like skills, just like... Getting ripped. Getting ripped. Get ripped. Something that's going to actually, like, improve your... No, but this is the thing, how, how, how?

This is where I struggle is, what would I do otherwise? Play it poked. Which is a social media. So now you agree with Alex. And I think, though, it's honestly, it's like that game, where at the end it's just the ball and it's just consuming. Everything's being consumed by this blob, and we can't escape the blob.

like the end of inside. Yes. That's all it is. And obviously it correlates directly into another problem that's going to become much, much worse. Well, so, yeah. What you said was correct

where you, if you cut yourself off from it, then you're like the fucking unibomber out in the woods, like, with no connect. You know? Yeah, you're like, not half society. Yeah. They've made it so it's like core to culture.

Yeah, and it's freaky. I think one of the, one of my biggest mistakes over. the last year was going back to Facebook. Really? Because I went back and I get in the goon hole then it's just like and it's like I find myself, I catch

myself though Facebook and I'm like no, fuck that. Yeah, because I would do that because like that's the sad thing. So many local businesses are only on Facebook. Yeah. So you search them up. You see like, oh the local dog groom or whatever, they're on Facebook. And then you just catch yourself on the home, like and then 20 minutes are gone and you've been

scrolling through just all this shit. Yes. And it's like I just want to know if this is this lovely little cafe is so I can see people I will is open because sometimes we've gone there and it's been closed because we didn't check Facebook so we have to use Facebook to check this to have we'll face-to-face communication because that is the good thing about social media is like pure convenience like and I love that I love maximum you are justimizing time and efficiency I love that shit and technology is great for that and I've always

been drawn to technology but I feel like it's also made me aware of it a bit younger green earlier than some others. Do... Especially Destiny. Destiny actually mind-fucked me. You got goon. You were in a goon- Yeah, I got gooned.

I feel like loads of gamers have that game, though. Do you think it might be a bit of an issue that you're turning into a villain from a TV show? Well, I'm not... I'm not saying I have his, like, fascistic goals of, like, wanting to dominate the world and creating, like, a...

I don't want to spoil Mr. Robot, but... Yeah. No, just the fact that he's a character that's obsessed with time time. Like maximizing time and being too aware of time. I think that's a problem

though. Absolutely. Dogs don't sit eating their asses thinking like, oh, this is taking fucking breath right. I want to go and play with my ball. They're just like, this needs doing, so I'm going to eat this shit out as long as needs...

As long as feels right. That's what they're concerned about. They're not breaking... This feels good. Yeah, but no, that's the next stage. What, if we start eating our own shit? No, dogs are going to have their own social media soon enough. Oh, no, but this is...

Yours does. Yeah. You do. No, he'll be able to use... There's going to be some kind of, like, you know... Brain check. ...up from, you know, they'll be able to communicate. There'll be, like, a little thing. Haven't they already done that, like, put cows in, like, VR and stuff

and, like, put them in, like, a green pasture, even though they're in like a... Yeah, no, they're doing that now because cows are literally happier in their brains into being like, oh, this is actually sick, I'm actually free. That's the matrix. And obviously we've got the chickens where there's a test

or someone's done a real life experiment where they remove part of their brain and they are happier because they can't think. They're actually like... Just ignorance is bliss personified, yeah. So we're just going to have the... chickens being fucking processed for meat and eggs in city centres because they're so fucking like they're just locked in place permanently happy because their brain has

been like disconnected no but that's that's kind of like what anxiety is isn't it it's like an acute awareness that you can plan for things that are coming or might be coming or whatever and that's where you get lost well yeah it's like all the possibilities of a given outcome yeah you can't like process all of that information every yeah exactly which is made worse when you haven't even like process stuff from it's like yeah it's like debilitating yeah which is why i'm always so obsessed with like mindfulness and trying to exist in a moment as opposed to yeah in a future moment or a past moment mm-hmm people get stuck in the past do you know is there a point when you

realize you've been in the goon hole too long you have to have some level of like self-awareness or to want to improve um no as in i'm saying in the moment when you're 20 minutes down the goon hole is there a point when you you you see when you've played a video game for like six hours straight you've been in the goon hall yeah sometimes it is weirdly through therapeutic with speaking about video games to be in the goon hole yes no because it's absolutely i played out of five hours i feel like i made progress yeah but also the thing with video games that's so like powerful is that you're actively having to in like good games you have to pay attention to what you're doing yeah and problem self yeah so that so your brain is occupied so you can't think about

shit that's actually worrying you you can it's like you can just use it to cope you don't actually address any of your issues but you're just in that realm where you're not there's not any no different well yeah like i've been i've been going to the driving range like once a week. It's the same thing. It's so difficult like you've got to just basically clear your mind or you're going to be shit. Yeah. The only way to

function. But that isn't the same with social media. When you're scrolling through it's like totally mindless to the point where like you'll be scrolling through so many you're not even really registering what's on screen. It's just like sound and visuals

but you can be thinking about whatever. Yeah. It's not. it's not very occupying and it's it's the same with reading a book you have to actively read the words stay focused otherwise you're going to read a page but you've been thinking about something else so to actually read a book you got to engage you have to be engaged yeah whereas watching a movie listening to music i think are different um i think it's easier to check out of a movie yeah it also depends on the type of movie too.

Yeah, and how you're engaging with it. Yeah. That's very easy for your mind to wander, you know? Yeah. Park that film. I wanted to quickly throw out there. It's kind of linked to this. In a loose way.

Did you see anything about this really funny thing that's happened with The Boys is streaming again on Amazon. There's a new season. And recently, there's been a bit of a pushback on, like, the like boys subreddit and some of the some of the fan base that have suddenly realized that it's like a satire of corporatism and like especially american politics yeah um people's some of the shit on the subreddit is like hilarious like how i i actually don't understand how you could miss the commentary but then you forget like the media literacy is actually a fucking appalling up it's actually people like watch the boys and they're just like it's just another super super beer a thing for the pile. It's just the new one. It's like, oh my

God, like, how could you miss it? From episode one. You could watch 10 minutes from any episode. It's so obvious. But people don't actually understand satire, I think, really at all. Like, well, some people, a large amount of people. It's the same with Fallout, though.

People do the same stuff. It's like an ongoing meme of, like, people that romanticize like Patrick Bateman from American Psycho and stuff like where it's like, well, like, in fight club and it's like, what are you taking, you actually think? Yeah, they're looking at the surface level,

like this, this person's successful and, like, ripped and hot. Well, his business car's extra cool. Yeah. That's a good idea. Yeah. And I found that very, if you want some entertainment,

go on the boys, so red it and look for some of it. Sort of controversial. To end this segment, though. Is what's up of social media? Are we ended in this segment? I'm going to say broadly and in context for what I was trying to say, yes. Just, just yes or no?

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Do you want to? Four weeks. No, because I want to make... Because we can make this... Next episode, we could do a double question thing. If we're really this far and you might as well, it only makes sense because we're literally referring to the internet Instagram. And there is overlap in actual pushing porn.

Is porn hub a social media? Absolutely, yeah. There's a... Yeah, porn hub is absolutely a social media. There's no doubt. out about it because it has like a social function where people are leaving comments and recommendations and

algorithm basis. Yeah, it has all the same things. Yeah. In fact YouTube is literally copying Pornhub features at this point. They've got that thing now with the it's like the graph of user engagement like you know when you're scrolling through like a porn video it shows like the bit

people watch the most. Oh yes. YouTube's got it. They stole that from where do you think they've got that fucking idea. That's not even funny, that's like, jeez. Yeah. Well, yeah, bro. Where do you want to take? It does, it does fit directly in line.

Yeah, because it's the same. The more, the more, the social medias are trying to push porn because it is a lucrative market. And the fact that you're pushing like thumbnails, how many thumbnails use softcore stuff to get that viewer in? Because boobs, ass, that's going to get those. you. Yeah, yeah. Because people are

addicted to porn. The thing with the whole porn discussion is we've talked about it a lot on JAR and there's always people who are like, no, no, like, porn injection is not a thing. I can watch it and I'm okay. No. Well, here's the thing, right,

surely it's being able to recognize when something is a problem to you, when you are stuck in the goonhole, when it's affecting your personal relationships, when it's making you miserable. I don't think, I need to piss so let me come back to this

So where do you want to start this? Um Well why do you want to bring it home? I guess we can just Welch and can walk in So obviously many many years ago Some jarlings might remember That I think it was two

I think it was about 100 episodes ago It was the The cast of me and you and I mentioned on it porn addiction and I spoke about it briefly saying that I've noticed that I am possibly addicted to it

and that's the first step I was trying to raise awareness that this is a problem that I think is underrepresented in media and a lot of people were not just unaware but they refused to acknowledge

there is a real problem because as the whole previous discussion we've come from pre-internet to mass internet that we have now. Yeah. So this sudden issue has been experienced by no one to this extent before us. People jerking off to like Playboy in the woods is a little bit different to it. It's extremely different.

To when you're 13 years old, like being able to look up anything your mind can conjure up the nastiest fucking shit you could ever imagine. We, we literally were the first actual generation at the perfect age to, for the this to be the norm. Yeah, basically right as hitting puberty. It's like, oh, there's this thing called porn up X videos and then you quite literally just go in and you're consuming some fucked up shit

at ages your brain's not prepared for. Because at 14, like nowadays it's very different but it's 14, I was not thinking about anything of that type until porn entered my life. And this correlates directly into everything we've said. so I spoke about it then and I brought up briefly a few

fucking 50 episodes later maybe 100 episodes later I brought up again saying that it's still a thing and it's still a problem and now I'm bringing up again I'm bringing up again

because this is the fourth week of not watching it at all you purged it I did purge it one night it was like on a Sunday night so it would be four weeks

ago on a Sunday I was just like I can't do this anymore I can't do this anymore because I've noticed what it does and the fact that it's not just you're not just looking for it

but it's like any spare time you have you're looking at porn or trying to find porn to watch you've got that preoccupied thing in your brain of trying to consume it at all times and I didn't have it super bad

because people get it to the extent where they're looking at it at work when in other yeah because you hear about that like the IT department having to like send like warnings and stuff or like yeah because people are just consuming it there because they're so addicted to it

and porn addiction is something a lot of people rebel against because there's this kind of belief with young men that it is absolutely fine that consuming it regularly is fine and it's just because that's what men do that's what boys do it's in all the American movies there's always jokes about boys watching porn.

Yeah, Ted. Ted, too. There's like a whole joke about Mark Wahlberg being, like, addicted to... And that's, like, fucked up. The fact that we've normal... We've almost normalized it, and the fact that boys should all watch porn. And obviously, we've only got one half-hick, because it affects girls very differently.

Billy Elish talks about this. Yeah, well, that's about say that. It doesn't even necessarily just fuck over guys. It fucks over everyone. Yeah, no, I think the rule statistics of porn is girls are equally as addicted to us as guys. and that's because it's a highly addictive substance that is quite literally rewiring your brain

to get dopamine releases which is no different to TikTok Instagram and without like other substances like there's not really a better way to get a surge of dopamine yeah than porn porn sexual activity

because we our brains are wired from thousands of years of evolution to be we get the best dopamine from pursuing people sexually where you have to put in work to get that release through relationships, intimacy. And now you're getting that through five minutes of porn up. Our brains are not wired for that, even more so than they aren't for TikTok and Instagram.

And that damage is not just a 10, that's not just turn your phone off damage, that's months. Because I've been looking into what the actual recovery times are on pornography from when you stop. And there's some of the statistics are nine months, which is, like, that's no different to smoking. What, nine months to where you have no, like, desire. Yeah, to fully clean your brain, especially if you've got it really bad, it can be between free to and nine months. That's no different to smoking.

That's no different to some of the more hardcore addictions that people respect. And it's like, this isn't a joke. You're fucking your brain up for permanently. Because it's not just your brain, you can't, you, ED, you get erectile dysfunction. Because your brain is so triggered. by that dopamine from porn that you can only get hard from porn. And when these young lads are going to be in relationships where that is actually a hurdle within their relationship

and they can't have sex because of ED, that's extremely humiliating. And that's like, that's the evidence that you're highly addicted to it. And it ruins relationship. Do you have a hardline stance where you think it's, it is impossible to have some kind of balance, as I was saying earlier, like that balance? I don't think you can have a balance because if you watch it kind of somewhat regularly

it can always increase even if you're watching once a week there's the connection in your mind between masturbation and porn that's one of the hardest things to try and get away of it is because you're so like I need to masturbate then your brain has already made the connection between masturbation and porn so if you try to get away from me you've got to fully know that that needs to be cut for it for your brain to actually view masturbation and sex is a healthy thing what if you're in a situation where you are not like suffering in any direct way like like having like ed like that that is a debilitating thing but if you don't have anything like this i don't think you can watch porn and not have ed it becomes a more of a severe issue over

time because it is basically porn-induced ED but if you've watched it for any amount of time being like years it is a problem and if anyone doesn't matter who they are they're going to have this problem it is just the thing you're going to get with born especially me watching it 10 years because I started at 14 I was literally at the the worst age for it and it just became the norm in my life and here I am 25 and it's taking this long to be like this shit's fucking bad and it's been whole world to get away from because my brain is always trying to claw back it's always trying to grab you because it knows the dopamine's there it knows that it can get that dopamine so it wants me back yeah any addiction cycle is like

incredibly hard to break and I feel that with the current age where these kids are now like I think kids are now watching porn younger than I was because it's more accessible because I was thinking about that, like, it's not really, I don't know if it's really a thing in the same way anymore, but there was like a huge thing, like, year seven, year eight, people sharing, like, gore stuff. Yeah, I remember that. That kind of stuff, because it was so easy to act.

Like, I was shown, like, gore videos in the school library, like, people. Because they didn't, they had, they couldn't keep up with, like... With the progression we had. Even schools, they couldn't keep up with the internet. And we were, though. Yeah, and a bunch of these gore sites just don't exist anymore. more. Yeah, like best gore. Yeah, it's just gone. Yeah. Um, so yeah, it, we do come from a unique era. We do. It's really, really unique era. But that I feel like the, the, the, the gore you found on

almost normal internet back then has pretty much been replaced by how easy you can get porn. Well, that's the thing. It's that delicate balance, because people want to be like sex positive and be open about it and talk about it. But then it's like, yeah. How can you be sex positive? with porn. That's like the big question is where does porn lie in sex positivity? And that's where it comes to like you need to be able to self-assess when something is bringing you down, dragging you down. But I feel like you don't notice it with porn. You don't notice this obvious like with TikTok or Insta, when I'm in constantly scrolling through that, I start getting these weird headaches where the actually amount of things I'm

seeing and the amount of information overloads my brain. So that's when I'm I'm like this I feel awful then because I've been in that goonhole and you don't ever feel that same way with porn because it becomes a part of like your lifestyle almost but but sex sells it's like a core thing to advertising yes so you can't engage with any of this without seeing sexual sexual content and that's the thing when I've tried to stop because obviously I'm not watching I'm using apps to limit that it's like if I try to go on like a porn it's like the app pops up and it's like no you can't look at this but how does it know if like there's like an instagram they don't go like that's why it's quite difficult because if you if you are

following people on twitter and they are people who like porn you're going to be seeing this because it's so directly fed in social media and that you've got to get your brain away from that completely because any type of porn you see will trigger the your brain to want it Yeah, it's a tricky one, man. But I worry that the fact that so many young people are going to suffer with it because it's so normalized. And that people don't want to acknowledge that it's a very real problem and that it doesn't affect you quite the same way as other addictions.

Because it's... Yeah, it's quite a new thing too, as we were saying. Yeah, there's not enough... Yeah, scientific research to actually give us crystal clear results on what called... Like, how much you need to consume and whatnot. Especially because subject matters like this are difficult to gather data on anyway Because you have to count on people actually being honest But it's something people are inherently ashamed about

Yeah So how are you going to get Any type of tape on it And it's been difficult for me just because It felt it the weird thing I've noticed is that I spoke about in the mental health video that I've like emotional dysregulation where my emotions aren't regulating themselves because of the mental stuff I've got going on and I've noticed since

I stopped watching porn that's leveled out really noticeably the fact that I'm not going through these like pendulum swings of emotions since stop watching porn it's a lot more consistent between like a week, five days of just the same balance

and that's the weirdest thing because it feels like porn addiction on top of my already existing mental health stuff it just made it worse it's just like another like cyst on your brain that's making things you suffer with worse dragging you down yeah and you can't fully overcome the thing you were struggling with because porn's they're

sifting it's a leech it's sucking the motivation you have and that's the thing it porn sucks your it makes you contempt you don't want to pursue relationships you don't want to pursue being better in life because porn is comfort and it's going to keep you where you are like it getting better because like we're things are going to start getting crazy you're really realistic

like sex dolls this is where I think surely it's kind of game it's already getting there because of VR VR is a huge step in pornography because you can play these games that are trying to emulate will intimate relationships

and VR is obviously it will fuck we when you're just you're jumping into it you know Half Life Alex and whatnot so when you're jumping into these porn games it is like a fucking mind fuck and then once it gets the next level where there's toys

that integrate it to the VR so what you're playing the game is actually happening to you it completely fucking changes the game it's no more about watching it. You're that cow that's like in the pasture just like yeah this is pretty and that's taking it to the next level

because then not because the trick with porn is we know it's not will but it's still enough for it to rewire our brains to chase dopamine but when it is so lifelike that's like a fucking horror identical to the real thing it's gonna completely fuck our minds completely it's gonna be worse than anything the instant like Instagram or TikTok can ever do it's scary and people need to I want to ways that if people

are watching porn they really need to look at it and be like what I you actually getting because I've had the thought where it's just like I've just watched porn and I've finished and it's like what the fuck did I get from that hmm well that's the answer is the dude like jerks off and then it's like the misery after that's the thing with porn it's always misery and it's like when you next jerk off to porn and you finish it's like the only thing that should be in mind is what the fuck did they you achieve what actually did they get because there's nothing there's nothing from porn that gives you I'd say it's like the equivalent

of like eating like a chocolate butter or something no it's not even that it's think of it like unwrapping a chocolate bar I'm wrapping a chocolate but there's not the that's all porn is it's nothing

I'm almost sound like I'm anti-porn which is like I am but also I understand that porn and sex is a huge part of human existence and yeah that's like the thing. That's why I feel

like there are people out there that live their whole lives or live their lives and do have a balance and can engage with them. The thing is it's like I've known people who've watched one and just never gripped them. You kind of have to have a brain like an addictive personality. Yes, almost

for it to fully take hold. What do you think, Jim? Come on, sit down on Jamie. This is, you can help here because you also are addicted. it's quite it's been like a running gag on jar like the gooners this is the thing I've I'm trying to get people to think because what gooning is is it is the acceptance of porn addiction and making it part of your life yeah it's the same as making it a hobby it's the same as like taking heroin and

then ending up in like a oh so heroin yeah that's real it's really sad Like, I find gooning interesting because it's like it is the absolute acceptance of porn addiction. It is the purest form of it. And goonings leaking, it's leaking out. I feel like the pandemic really set it off crazy, man. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, I think a certain type of person under those conditions.

Well, what's someone that's, they're like, they're in the middle of a city. They're trapped by themselves in their, like, tiny apartment or way. yeah everyone's like depressed looking for any enjoyment they can get i i think it's it's a miracle that i ended up with vr and half-life alex at the start of the pandemic and wasn't a full-time gooner by the end of it yeah because if if if i had vr with no half-life Alex then i would have gained yeah if i didn't have VR or half-life Alex i would have good because it's like COVID killed dating for some time because you couldn't go out and meet people. So people are going to be horny and they're going to fucking watch porn. That was the only thing. It made, I watched a lot more porn

in lockdown. What else did I fucking do? It was just get pissed and goon. I saw a horror story about there was a girl in China who went on like a date with a guy just see what it was like and it was like right as the lockdowns were coming in and they were super severe there. They got like trapped together in in like an apartment and she couldn't leave and she didn't really like the guy it's like a week's of it I can imagine how awkward that would be horrible but obviously at the same time I've been I've stopped porn you've also stopped cigarettes yeah and you are I've been not smoking one week less than you've been not yeah because I you I knew you were going way to Spain and it was like before you left

he said once you get back you want to stop so I was like it was the motivation to me to make me stop watching porn was just like in it together sort of thing yeah because it's like the things with any being addicted to anything your brain's going to kind of go

through that same thing with unique nuances I guess so knowing that Jamie's gonna stop means that I will understand Jamie and he can understand me when we say that it's like the brain's kind of get us back you have those cravings your brain is just damage controlling almost yeah you're you you start having like a dialects with yourself and you're um trying to convince yourself

like it in in terms of fags if i buy a pack of fags i'll just have one before i get to bed but from quitting before and knowing what that leads into it's like well I know one before bed turns into one when I get up in the morning and one before bed and then one just after lunchtime

because you always get a craving after eating and then one after waking up and then lunchtime and then dinner and then at that point it's like well I mean I might as well have one in between and it just like adds up like that and then eventually just becomes I'll quit tomorrow whatever yeah yeah the exact that's the exact same of porn because that one image that one

Instagram is like rent and speech and transporting like is yeah that is a dick the addiction cycle yeah exactly and it took I've tried to quit porn about four to five times and now I've done the longest I have because you have to fail to remove any addiction you've got to know the steps so you have to fail like in weak chunks you do one week and then you do two weeks that that is an important thing as well it a relapse isn't failure No, because you're getting better With each relapse Like even if you go three days and then relapse

That's still three days That is three days Yeah And then Set a goal A realistic goal for next time Like Well, I'll go for as long as possible

Let's say starting Monday Fresh week Because when you know you can do Like one on half weeks Once you've done that once You know you can do it again and then that one and a half will become two weeks and then it was just stacked

you actually have to want to do it as well but you have to like truly truly want to do it like I know I can say that there's probably younger boys who are addicted to porn and they do want to get rid of it but there's been times when I've tried to equip it's just like one bad day and it's like you know it's just like smoking

it's just that bad day causes it and it takes it truly takes a while to build up for that I want this now I'd say porn addiction is a lot more complex though it's extremely complex because it's a lot more it's ten times it has accessible than facts because you have to go buy cigarettes

I have to go on the fight with cigarettes is also like a chemical one as well yeah but so is porn yeah porn is dopamine yeah but I mean like the added chemical in the mix nicotine is no natural chemicals being added to it's not hijacking a natural

process. Yeah, whereas like masturbation is rife in nature. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. The only difference is the porn. Yeah, but Bonnebo is not like whipping out their Instagram and finding their favorite fucking Bonobo model and getting like, yeah. And I want

to speak, I wanted to bring this up again because I just want, I want people who realize that this is going to get worse. Porn addiction is going to become a lot more of a survey issue within 10 years. Like it's going to be headline news in 10 years. Well, yeah, and I think... It's getting worse.

I think with the combination of VR as well, when VR became more accessible. And like, realistic... The games already exist. Yeah. They already exist. Yeah. I just mean, like, when headsets are cheap. Yeah. When it's more accessible,

the specs to one VR. And they've got... Because you can sync up, there's already sex stories that sync up to porn videos. When they're syncing up to the actions in a VR game. And what about when, like, within software, you'll be able to, like, perfectly replicate, like, celebrities and, you know, stuff like this. It's like that instead of the rock. Yeah.

You bring up the rock in VR or whatever, and you just do anything with it. It's like a perfect. Or you can do it to do anything with you. Black Adam. But it's like, this stuff is becoming more accessible through games, at least, because Steam is starting to add these porn games on. They're on the homepage of Steam. It's a huge fucking market, man.

It is a huge market. Huge market. A lot of this technology is made feasible, thanks to how much money people spend on, like, pornography-type stuff. Like, OnlyFans is, like, a huge thing now. Mm-hmm. And it's a difficult one. But it's not like I'm not trying to humiliate people and shame them for, possibly watching and consuming porn.

It's not bad. It's just knowing that there's a point when you need to get away because it will offset and affect other things in your life. And it's like just don't... If I could go back now, I would never watch it because I know what it leads to. No, but this is what is so fucked about it is that you don't have the intelligence or self-awareness

or wear athal when you're like 14 or 15 to deny something like that. It's just like, no, it overloads you. brain of 14. You're already hormonal. You're stupid. You know nothing. Yeah. And you want to turn out. The allure of being able to Google big boobies. Yeah. It's too strong. But I mean, even, even as, um, like, uh, like, this is why I think trying to, to, to quit porn is even harder. I mean, not necessarily harder, but it's like a horn of the beast. You naturally get horny. Yeah. That's the thing. And if, that's where the connect. is. Because when you get horny, as a younger kid, you're like, I'll just, I want to jerk off, so I will watch porn to help jerk off.

Yeah, yeah. But when you're addicted to it, it's like, when you get horny, when you're trying to break away from it, that horniness is pulling you directly back into porn. Yeah. Because they're connected in your head. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or the inverse when you're going to porn to get horny. Yeah, that's what it becomes. But you don't even have it when it's the routine thing. Yeah, you don't have natural horniness anymore. Like your horniness is only cause. by the dopamine that's caused by porn which is the complete like yeah you're not going to be able to have sex for anyone because you don't get naturally horny anymore there's no the brain is not set up for for interviews yeah when you're so far down the

hole that like the only thing that can tickle you at that point is like that's that's where the deeper the more extreme porn comes into it and that's I've lucky never managed to go that way where it's like

becomes fucking dark because your brain can't actually get any more dopamine out of the and it's why it's like someone made a post on the jar edit like I saw this video and I was like that's porn addiction and they went to the comments and I had said in the comments like that's porn addiction what do you remember what it was it was like it was the gift from moon night where he's doing the sky and then it's the it's like a page a hundred of porn hub oh yeah if you have to get to page a hundred of porn hub you're extremely addictive because the dopamine of a hundred pages does nothing mm-hmm Yeah, that is literally what it is. You're wasting hours of your life to find the perfect porn video. I think maybe a recommendation for wankers is to just get it done as quick as you can. With porn or just...

Well, yeah, like, if you are using porn... No, but if you want to jerk off for ages, don't look at porn, like use your imagination. That's the thing, you... When trying to get away from it, you have to use your imagination. imagination if you do if you feel like you got to jerk off you have to use your imagination because that means you're thinking and you're you're healing the brain paths in your mind to be to be natural you're trying to like disconnect that so that inherent association association you can't you got to do it i have but i think when you're trying to quill it you kind of have to be like no fat you have to

just be like i got to go like a week and a half of no masturbation at all because that will also help peel but it is a long-ass process just like Korean smoking and it's like I know from in two years time I'm still not going to be able to look at porn because then it will start again hopefully by then you won't have the same kind of desire

I don't even now I don't have the same desire like I've got the process then of the four weeks was there like was it like particularly bad in week three no what I noticed was by by the first Saturday after so we're six days in I had no desire to do it at all and it's like that week where your brain knows

you're not actually trying to quill it so it's not like phone you because it knows it's going to happen at some point but when you get to that close to two weeks that's when your brain starts like filling you with hormones because it knows

that you're going to watch porn when it's filled you with hormones and that's when it's like oh fuck that's when it starts becoming difficult because that's the time when you will relapse because you're now fucking horny

24 7 and then after it just kind of gets when you want to release but without no I didn't I didn't release I just kind of held it out

and was just like because I had the routine it was just like if I went in bed earlier it was like I'll just do it that but then I just was just like phone down sleep and that helped

that got me through but then it's like week week two and a half is when it's fucking fucking I'm gonna make you depressed you're gonna fucking hate your life that's what I did if depressed the shit out of me

and my emotions were so bad because it's now affecting the emotions to get the release. But then week three, it kind of turned around. Yeah, week three at the moment, I've had no desires at all. It's not even on my mind. It's just what I've, like, cleared it. But it is those first, like, three weeks is when you'll go through the ups and downs, and that's when you always fail.

It's on those ups and down. And I imagine smoking is the exact same. Yeah, smoking is, um, it's just a much more regular. thing that you did. The routine. Yeah. And I was at the point where I was smoking near enough 20 a day

which is like a full pack of straits. And it's just you catch yourself in these moments that's like you're not thinking about smoking but your body's trying to get you to do something. And then

because I've reached the point where it's not in my routine anymore to regularly go outside and smoke. but my body wants me to do something and then it gets like angry and I get very easily agitated and I sort of have to temper that and play angry birds for five minutes I have to do something I have to do something totally like engaging like scrolling through Instagram something that just like an alternative dover meme release yeah but something that makes me not think about that otherwise i get rc and antsy and it's the

worst when you get frustrated because you want it and like multiple days i forgot to put a patch on which i think it is somewhat a good sign because like i've woken up in the morning i haven't thought about going for a fag i haven't even thought that i need nicotine but then a couple hours go by and it's like the the chemical part is like everything's happening like too quickly it it just wants that one thing and my brain is like pissing me off making me behave differently because it's craving this chemical

it's just it's more frustrating than anything and then you get frustrated that you're frustrated over pretty much nothing so then it just escalates and the fact that you know one cigarette if I just smoke one cigarette right now all of that goes away

and I'll feel fine and I'll feel better than fine it's the same as sexual frustration yeah yeah straight up it's like post not clarity yeah it's post-fag clarity it's the exact same thing yeah but it's like at least with cigarettes it's like it's a well-known thing that's addictive

and that people try to get away of it but it's like mean culture now to be addicted to porn it's like it's a cool lad thing to be your fucking porn addict and have your hallway past your whole path fucking porn star it's like no it's extremely gross

extremely gross but it's like you see I see so much shit but that's like yeah this is porn addiction and it's just like so normalized we're saying when you're out of the room about how like if you're using any social media sex cells you're going to be seeing sexual content and that's like a challenge in of itself do you have a similar thing if like you see someone going out to the smoking area and see them there or like in a movie there's like a character who's changed that that is something that's always made me want to smoke is seeing characters smoking in media.

Not, I don't mean before I smoked, but when I smoke, like, particularly straight cigarettes, not roll-ups. When I see a character smoking. Well, because it's inherently associated with cool characters for some reason. Yeah, but it's not to do with that. It just, like, I know what it feels like to smoke and to have that nicotine hit. The way you describe it almost makes it sound like. a form of meditation but you're going out there yeah well that's something i've always liked about it

because like whenever i've i feel or have felt anxious it's like you kind of go over everything in your head and while you're smoking you're getting the nicotine which is like calming everything down in your brain makes you needed to poop a little bit but it's like slowing everything down you're just doing this process for a second thinking about whatever happened. It's like taking time for yourself, you're physically removing yourself from a situation going to somewhere calming the outside. Yeah. And with that, there is a reason why the catering industry and restaurants, they all smoke. And you started there, didn't you? Yeah. There's a reason why, because the job is, yes, stressful environment, yeah. And that's where the

dependency starts. Yeah, but weirdly seeing, people smoke doesn't make me want to smoke like not in a movie like i don't know if it's a thing with like when you're watching a movie it's like a character's story and you sort of put yourself in their shoes and they're having a cigarette whereas whereas when you're like at work and some people go to the smoking area i've had no issues with that i have issues with the routine of like let's say my colleagues at this certain point in the day would normally go for a cigarette

with a coffee yeah that it'll be like a little nibble there but I've been fine with that stuff but it's it is the moments like after eating before bed because I got into a really bad routine where

every night before I'd go to sleep I'd chain smoke two or three cigarettes because that would get me lightheaded and it would make me sleepy easier because I've always struggled with sleeping, which is like a common thing of all of us, actually. It's sleeping. Yeah. I never used to

until kind of recently, but Start smoking you well. That was my one. Yeah, stop changing. I feel bad. Yeah, that was my one thing. I'd always touch wood, be like, well, at least I can sleep. Because nothing fucks you up faster than sleep shit. Like yesterday, we were going to

record the cast, but I had an awful sleep because it was the hottest day of the year. It got to like 9 o'clock here, and I knew it was going to be an awful cast if we were caught. And especially if we're trying to talk about this subject, because I've wanted to talk about porn and addictions. Since last week, because it's like I'm getting to the stage I know I'm safe, almost. So I wanted to talk about it, and it would not have happened if we're hanging on the ropes. Mm-hmm. Just exhaustion.

I mainly wanted to talk about this because I feel like I'm now succeeding in getting away from it, because it's the longest time and I feel like I can smash this out of the park there's no doubt someone listening who's struggling at the same thing saying that people have recognised their own problems of it because I've talked about it before but it's like now it's like

I'm getting away I'm seeing the light and it can happen and if I can do it everyone can't this was like a whole talked about cult for a while I mean I use cult in like an exaggeratory way but what was it no fat yeah there's like a community online

These people that have gone to NOFAP, like, swear by it. Like, it, basically the improvements are, like, you can't count them. No, I, and I'd agree. Just from, like, since I quit putting it, I'm not masspaying nearly as much, and it is just better. I feel so good, so much. It's the way forward. Yeah. And it's the same with not smoking.

Yeah. It only benefits everyone. Well, I mean, the thing with smoking, I'm pretty much purely doing it for monetary and health benefits. Yeah, and so am I. Because the frustrating thing is that I do, it is like an enjoyment. It's like a vice, you know? So you, but at the same time there are the moments where it's like I have a chesty cough like I do at the minute. It's a rainy day.

I'm wearing my pyjamas and I'm going outside and smoking a cigarette and coughing my guts out. Like, at that point, it's like that that little bit of enjoyment is it worth it? Yeah. Is it really worth it? And then to think like, worst case scenario, I end up with like emphysema doing the same shit, but just for the rest of my life, like smoking and coughing my guts out. So it's not worth that little bit of enjoyment for, like, a normal healthy life and a lot of these concepts do apply to all sorts of other

addictive tendencies because it is that addictive cycle yeah because it like the show i'm saying as well sounds almost exaggeratory like like getting off of heroin or alcohol alcohol it's like yeah that it's the same process it's just like extremes you know and yeah every every one of these different um addictions has a different um kind of grip over you yeah different kind of vice to it yeah and a different catch yeah yeah like if you're like horrendously addicted to alcohol you like can't cold turkey like you can't put on there's not gonna be like a physical like threat in the same way um when it is like a chemical substance like I just want to say because with porn obviously we're going to become more of a main issue

but it's like now now is our time to acknowledge that it is going to become an issue because it's not respected the same way every other addiction is like everyone can look at cigarettes and say that's that's addictive but people refuse to acknowledge porn the same way and that's that's the danger is that they don't see it as an addiction and it is from me and ex-addict. Be safe, homies. That's one thing, though, like, once you're an addict, you're never not an addict. Yeah, and

depending on, like, your genetics, your brain chemistry and whatnot, some people are more vulnerable to it than others. Because if you think you're not addicted as well, like, well, I've broken the addiction, and then you're out having a drink, and you're like, oh, you know what, I'll buy a bag of eggs. It's like, you're, you're, the thing I get into is like the sunken cost fallacy, you've, you've paid 10 quid for a pack of ferns, you smoke five of them. Well, I don't want to throw away 15. I spent 13 quid on this.

So I want to get my money, then I'll quit. And then the next day, you've sobered up, you, you, you smoke more. You finish them off the next day and you're like, oh, that's leaving me with a craving for more. Oh, just buy one more And that's how it starts up again So like cookies Bying cookies is the same shit It's exactly the same as every time I try to quit sugar

It's like Oh that's a crazy addiction to break And we've all suffered We've all suffering that And we're not even trying to get away Yeah that's one This is the thing like I'm okay having a couple poisons right

I can't break sugar man I can't do it I can't do it man It's like sugar's not making my cock not work It's the thing That's where it's like I can acknowledge the problem It's just like one thing at a time

You know Like fuck I need some joy Yeah But it's just frustrating I tried to get back into working out this week What happens I get ill the next day After working out

It's like And then we just eat loads of garbage The last two days Yeah Well that's what it turns into It's like well It's like well exercise is like the inverse of addiction to me

no because exercise is addicting it is until something like this happens yeah and then it's like this this is like the quitting the addiction but I have to do the inverse of quitting an addiction where I'm starting this thing that I actually really enjoy when I'm doing it is good for me

so why am I not doing it So it becomes that, I'll start next week, I'll start next week. Yeah, yeah. I'll diet and eat properly next week. But today I just need this. It's the same thing. And it comes down to diet a lot of it for me. Because I don't want to bother, like, working out really hard.

I don't go to chaos. Yeah. Which we do. Partly, yeah. But like, I like building muscle. But you can't build muscle when you're just eating. cake that's why I need mass gainer

yeah that's why you need creatine that's the problem with it honestly I'm just going if I'm going if we're going and working out again it's pre-workout it's creatine it's mass gainer I'm going in and it's um watching toxic body dysmorphia inducing tictox

fuck it let's get addicted to creatine yeah I think that's it boys it's kind of a long one We didn't really do a question segment like normal, so next episode we'll do a double question segment extravaganza. Let us know your thoughts on this stuff in the comments. It's always good to hear other takes from all around the world. Yeah, tell us why we're wrong about everything we say ever.

Yeah, just tell me that porn addiction isn't real and that I should just grow up. Yeah, man up. Man up and go to the gym. Yeah. And drink purity. Mommy. Yiva. Eat her.

Can we go get some like cookies? He-he.