JAR Media Posdact - Goodnight, Sweet Prince 😔 - JARCast Xbox 360

Episode Date: January 15, 2024

https://www.patreon.com/jarmedia Find us on Spotify and iTunes under: "Jar Media Posdact" Find the original episodes under: "The JARChive" Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/jar-media-store Twitter: https://twitter.com/FourFunnies Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 03:16 Housekeeping 09:35 The Thumbnail Controversy 30:17 Mid Break 31:45 Alien TV Show 32:44 James Cameron 36:11 Mandalorian Movie 40:17 Questions: MatPat Retiring 42:03 The Potential of Snail Milk 44:45 Transforming Into Birds 46:54 Alex's Numerical Mistake 47:57 Overrated and Underrated Animals 55:13 Meme Historian 57:03 Alex & Jim Defend Red Dead Redemption 2 1:05:29 Bonus Moment

Yeah. Well, good afternoon, morning, evening or night. Ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the JAR Media podcast. This is... Oh, bounce, baby. Xbox 360. Yeah. Oh, is it?

Yeah. Oh, I didn't even consider that. We should have done a 360. For the intro, instead of the normal thing, can we have the... Oh, yes. Hello, Xbox. Yeah, happy Easter. It was, like, people forget how just everything the 360 was.

It was the best. It was ruling, man. See, as a contrarian, because people love pointing out I'm a contrarian. Because it's true. No, it's not true. It's not true. Let's not talk about the fucking German gym thing again. I'm going to die on this hill, okay? But on the peak X-Ox 360 year,

bro. Yeah, yeah. But I experienced some of it While through the proxy Of being a PlayStation 3 owner And it was different It was different Do you think it's still like that on the playground

But now it's just PS5 And You know it is My nephew is just like You fucking have a PlayStation A loser Really what side does he take He's an Xbox player

He has an Xbox player He has an Xbox Really Yeah He mocks the fact that I have a PlayStation I guess it's yeah It's so baked in To the

But now Now the The arguments are more because they're in their own shared lobbies. So they see each other's different consoles. They argue in matches. I feel like that's going to gradually break down the walls. I always dreamed of that, though.

I always dreamed of like a game where the Xbox players could go against the PlayStation players. Yeah, that should be like a feature you can like search in. It should be like, yeah, like in Cod, it's like a game mode you can search it or something. Yeah. Console be console. That would be hilarious. No one wants to go against the PC players because they've got a huge advantage.

Anyway, yeah This is This is the first episode of the year Where I'm not ill Which is nice Hopefully not Even though I'm going to be doing A bit of bouncing

Hopefully it's not going to be Breathing into the mic As much as well I'm kind of still I'm still ill You're scared You gotta get some Yeah, I do

So will this be a year Where we are all ill Over one episodes There's always a gap But we're all ill I'm not sure if that's ever Happen does it It's impossible

It's all being ill in the same intensity on the same day apart from the hungover one which I think counts yeah it kind of counts but it's self-induced yeah that was a good one though I'm kind of expecting to

get ill soon because I just got back from London you are you're gonna get ill typically yeah I always get ill in a good cities yeah because we just got those country immune systems yeah but we have like one pathogen in our body

a year before we get too deep to the show let me shout out the jar media patrons over at the patreon they make the audio version of the show possible and get their special patron names usually goofy usually silly read out in the first or second week of each month we've already done it this month but you've always got next month which is coming up sooner than you think we have got some craziness to talk about this episode but first as usual some housekeeping to wrap up those conversations from the previous week um joe jones three

301 can get us started here As much as James hates politicians And capitalism, as soon as he has to pay Money, he suddenly becomes prime minister level at dodging the hard questions While still refusing to pay is due. Well played. To be fair, if I had money to give, I would pay my dues.

But I currently don't have money to give. That's the most politician's ever heard. You should actually like fly into it. Lib damn James. Green Party James Yeah I would I would be green party

And then I'd also get the conservative votes Because it'd be Green Party James owns the most un-economical car Humanly imaginables Draw around in the laurel over there That's my controversy Taxpayer money Yeah

Yeah Dealen 8664 says The parissocial aspect Is just unavoidable Honestly This is in reference to Last week we're talking about There was a question

I think it was the Reddit bit about like how we deal with that or how we think about it. Yeah. They said, honestly, it's up to the viewers to not be D-Gen freaks about it. I've been listening since I was in year seven and I've now turned 21. I've always loved your content. I thought it was really cool that Jim and Alex had lived in Jersey where I've lived all my life.

I enjoy the content and leave it at that. It's good to have the Reddit and comments to engage with the community, but some people just take things too far. Like with the Discord, keep doing your thing, gents. Wow, there's actually a Jersey jarling. Wow. I really want to go back to Jersey. Yeah, me too.

Even if it's just for like a weekend. It's so small. It probably is like a weekend destination. Yeah, a long weekend, I reckon. Because you've got to get over the sea sickness because it's choppy-ass waters out there. Yeah, it is actually. Yeah, true, sure.

Depends. Yeah, triple islanders over here. You're not an islander. But conversely to that one, you're an islander. I'm not an islander. I've had many of it. We've had more islanders. because we lived it on Jersey, which is even more of an island.

And New Zealand, so we've got the trip. I've talked to many agarlings, and some people message me sometimes, like, no, they're wrong about an islander, they're not islanders. And I'm like, yeah, I know, tell me about it. Jersey is an island. A jersey's an island, but you're not an islander because you live in Britain. Anyway, that's an old subject. Like, come on.

But yeah, in kind of the inverse, on that same topic, there's this comment left from Rilicio. On the topic of the parisocial problem, I can't help but think that it's also kind of your fault. The entire cast is formatted to maximise viewer interaction, and with the exception of housekeeping, the entire show is just fewer questions and comments. Of course, I'm not really want to talk. I'm literally doing the exact same thing. But if you want to see less of it, then stop incentivising this behaviour in the first place. I don't say I had a problem with it. Well, a problem with what?

If someone's like looking up where we live, I think it's okay to, like, you're not invited to do that. I think in any situation with anyone ever. But I would say with JAR specifically as compared to, say, even IH is an example, it's like, IH is a character, your character, but we're, when we're on JAR, we're very more lifelike. So it is a different way to interpret that. But also, we weren't, we didn't, it's not like we brought it up at the beginning and we're like, this parisocial stuff's just gone too far. It was like, we were just answering like a question.

Yeah, yeah. It's not like we were winging about it. But that's, that's kind of what the whole, that's what jar is built on is. interaction back and forth with the listeners It's like an ongoing conversation Yeah And that's good

And we love that But if If there are steps That can be too far They can be, yeah But it's like if you It's like I know there's a lot of jarlings

In the community Who are car people And it's like I don't feel there'll be a power social thing there Because they're just gonna talk me About a shared passion You know So it's like instantly

I'm going to be chill with you and I am There's a lot of chariots It is yeah It's always like a vocal minority That are freaks You know The fucking freaks

Yeah the freakoids Um Stone 5815 has a penultimate one For this section Glad to see the return Of the weird camera angles Yep I just get

I get too comfortable After a certain point I'll need some craziness You know Need a little bit of nuts We don't really have a status quo No As soon as it gets two stats as Crowe, we've got to mix it up.

We evolve, we change. We adapt. The power digum shifts. Shunned Weevil 9, could end this segment then. I also went to a Sikh holy building, called a Godwara, I think. Yeah, that was it. When I was in secondary school, as a respect thing, we were required to wear a head covering slash hat. I completely forgot until minutes before I left for school, so I grabbed the first hat I could find.

Unfortunately, that happened to be a Joker-themed graphic snapback. I still cringe about that because I must have been 14 or 15, which is far too old to wear slash own that, let alone as a sign of respect. Heath. Yeah. I got to put my hands up and admit something. When I was like 14, I had this Joker shirt that I loved.

I do remember. We've all been there. I've not been there. I feel like that's when you're allowed to do cringy stuff. Yeah, you're allowed to. You are allowed to. I just think my parents would cringe at me, so they never bought me.

anything like that. But Joker was like on Vogue then in like a different way. He hadn't been like memed quite yet, you know? Yeah. Fokey is now. In hindsight, it's quite strange how people latched on to, especially that portrayal of the Joker. He fledger one. Like the scariest one I've ever seen.

Yeah, just like this, yeah, a terrorist. And everyone's like, yeah, let's go. I want to be him. men want to be him woman want to be with him be with the Joker baby well we've got Joker 2 coming this year so we can

explore that topic yep correct so um we got some we got a jar traversy to start the year yeah oh we do

a post on the subreddit can get us going here from um Meiko Tony Jima, 11. Anyone else, sick of the AI usage? Whenever AI is used in the cast now, it's just eye-rolling. The thumbnails are especially bad. Random jar nonsense will always be better than shitty-looking AI.

Edit, I didn't want nor expect this post to get so much attention, but since it was pretty unclear in the original post, the problem I have isn't specifically with the AI stuff looking awful in the thumbnails. Jail thumbnails aren't really spectacular. It's the fact that it's specifically AI using the work of others. In the grand scheme of things, it's, sorry, in the grand scheme of things, it's a random podcast using AI for some silly images, going to have a massive impact, not really. But it perpetuates it and feeds the AI more, which is especially unfair for real artists. That's all they have to say, Oop.

And who's there, Jarre James left a comment? I agree, I'll verbally abuse Alex over it when I next see him. Ain't supporting this shit for real. And this was an interesting conversation. I guess I'll read what I left a comment on there. I guess I'll read what I said. This is fascinating to me. As others have correctly pointed out,

the quality flaw for jar thumbnails is basically non-existent, and snagging random PNGs off Google is about the same level in my mind as using Photoshop and Bing AI to expand images and generate random creatures. There are countless thumbnails from the past year using some kind of AI element or filter that no one noticed or cared about unless it's blatantly obvious like the Spider-Market one. I do think it's funny while we're in this early era of Skull. rudimentary AI generations, and while it is scary, I don't know if it's really

jazz fault that the unregulated technology has been unleashed into the public and is pouring over social media. Nor at the very least our impact on that space is less than minute. It's not like we're switching to AI for everything and I only use it occasionally when I feel there's something funny to do with it. Should I stop using the built-in Adobe Audition AI tools that do clean up click passes on audio too? The line here is very weird. damn PR Alex putting in the hours

what do you think Jim what comes to your mind yeah Jamie you explain explain how your feelings my feelings are like like Alex said our thumbnails aren't we're not Mr Beast

you know we like the one time I've been in charge of a thumbnail I stole our own thumbnail So you would like be in the AI and stealing from That's essentially What we do

You know Yeah We just find Stuff and cram it in Whether it's either Alex doing it or an AI Like I don't really see a difference I don't know what this means This like

The AI stealing people's art Okay so the way The greater problem with the AI conversation is mainly that people would go to these AI tools, upload a bunch of an actual artist's work, and then generate new AI work that's basically learned exactly from some very real artists work. That's the bare bottom, that is the simplest way to explain the thing that's the issue with AI art. And I'm fully in agreement that that is not fucking it and I don't stand for it. Yeah, that's cringe and lame, and the whole AI thing has a real, it just sits in the same pocket of my mind as like NFT bros and this kind of shit. And you see these cringy people on Twitter who are like, look at this new generation.

And they're like carrying themselves as if they're like artists. And it's like, you're not. No. You're not. But one thing I will point out is, and I could be wrong on this, but I think the AI built into Photoshop doesn't do that. I'm pretty sure it's using pictures that Adobe owns. own so the things that are generated are it's not stealing in the same way that like dali does or whatever yes yeah so but when when you say it steal is it is it taking yes it's learning

it's using them as references to learn from so it's taking that I don't see that as stealing though that is stealing because if this the best example is there was an artist she did really lovely art and she passed away from cancer I think two years ago and then people started taking all her artwork putting it into the AI and they're basically generating new work in her name when she's passed away you know that's that's the problem because it's learning

entirely based on off of some specific artist style and by doing that it's like replicating that without the soul and the actual intentions of the artist is it equally as bad if a person does it if a person copies someone else's

style yes fuck yes it's like I didn't think it's so it's No, it was Picasso quote, you know? Like bad artists copy, good artist steel. I think if you're, if you're to see someone else's art and then you're using their artwork to train your AI to be that.

But I think to train your AI, yeah, that's yeah, it's weird with AI, but that is like the fundamentals of inspiration. Yeah, the inspiration part of art. But then it's like people aren't going to directly copy their style. It's going to be the own thing. Everyone is inspired by other artists. But the issue of AI is not inspired.

It is using that. artwork is a direct ground to generate a new form but that is what inspiration is right you're giving the AI inspiration it's not but it's not inspiration it's the same process but like automated by like robots

yeah that's what makes it weird but I mean it's it's it doesn't ring alarm bells for me I don't know why it's like for me it's already like over it's like I saw an advert when I last went to the cinema they're put in chat

GPD in cars now. They're building it into cars. They are. So, well, this is completely unregulated, crazy new tech because it's just here now. But I, yeah, yeah. Cool. I would argue that you using it for jar funnels is a bit different simply because,

obviously, the shit we're, we're using it for is not, we're not like trying to sell it or have a, you know, accounts dedicated to art that is all AI generated. Yeah. There is a slight difference, but I do understand that the wider picture that AI poses is where the problem is and I do agree that is where and I fully in support of you know actual artists here and in um all of the AI usage in the jar thumbnails there is only one that is fully generated and not touched or changed in any way there's only one and that's

the Dobby see like in Italy one yeah um I think that was only funny to me because that was just before um they put all those filters on being AI generation where you could just generate any copyright material and that was hilarious to me um but like the spider market one for example the AI the AI usage in there was mostly in uh Photoshop um I used the expand tool which I'm sure you've seen where you can generate like a actually a crazy useful tool that uh so I use that I generated the background, and I generated the spider on Dali, and the rest was on Photoshop. But then it goes back to, yeah, like, the stealing angle where we are stealing, basically, every jar of thumbnail, just of Google images. And sometimes they still have the, like, shutterstock logo and whatnot.

For me, that's why it wasn't, I think about it a bit differently. If we had been like paying someone to do our thumbnails and then got rid of them to start doing AI, then yeah, I think that would be like a moral problem. But I don't see there's a massive step between Google searching images and then having an AI generate images from the same way pool. And it's pretty much the same thing to me. What is interesting to me is what I said in that comment. I've used it a bunch in a bunch of thumbnails and no one even noticed. in the past year like I'll give an example

the one I think it's called Jordan's Beef every single element is AI generated on that but it was all using Photoshop AI and arranging it or doing whatever and that one had

the inverse comments with people like that's a funny thumbnail so it's like we're already at a point we can't even tell we don't even know like what what is it entirely it's just these completely AI generated ones just have

they have an uncanniness to them that makes them look terrible and that's the main thing is as a YouTube user it doesn't matter if you're my favorite content create if I see an AI generated fun I'm not watching the fucking video that is my baseline

I'm not watching the fucking video no no way am I going to that's how I stand on it because I just because a lot of these channels are actually channels that are big yeah so in which case they're getting rid of son who's probably paying

to be doing those jobs so yeah you can fuck yourself. That's the thing that was like the meta, the thumbnail matter is already so fucked on YouTube. It's like deep fried, saturated like faces, uh, mostly and like,

you know, trains falling into holes and just, you know, it basically all looks at it generated anyway. Yeah. Using a bunch of people already. It looked that way before AI was even being used for that,

you know? Yeah. Look at Mr. Go right now onto Mr. Beast's videos. and scroll, like, they are all, like, the same. Yeah. They look like they were made by an algorithm.

Mm-hmm. His whole channel's made by an algorithm, that's pretty wrong. And, yeah, yeah, I don't know. I get what people are coming from, and AI is definitely a problem, for sure. But I'm more just, like, putting my hands up. Like, it's really bad. Ultimately, we don't make a difference, and we're not using it in a way that is immoral. We're not, we're not trying to pretend to be artist.

It's literally just shitposting thumb. and also shit posting YouTube channel it's very different but you know if that we ever cross out line I'd actually have a very big problem with it and there's there is unless regulation which won't happen

is implemented which stops it we're going to reach a point where we genuinely can't tell what is it generated and that's really happening like it's becoming an issue now like scamming with videos uh generate video gym freaking out

um saying he's in some kind of problem send it to nana on facebook or whatever yeah yeah scammer out of yeah it's you know i saw um a video the other day of todd howard of bethester um talking with lex friedman oh yeah and todd howard was like yeah we basically when making skyrim were just partying every night and barely did anything and from just that alone i was like oh this is fake yeah And then I open the comments and everyone's like, wow, he really just went and said it. Well, finally he said what people have been thinking. People just believe in it because they want. People just believe in it.

They already have a conclusion. It's like, uh, yeah. But, but like the AI voice was made and they had like AI generated the mouth to lip sync. And you can tell if you actually look, but the majority of people in the comments believed it was real. Yeah. A lot of people don't have the eye for this sort of thing. Yeah, or don't care to. Which is why it's dangerous.

Yeah, you can't look at anything surface level anymore. Yeah, you can't. But, you know, as someone who is always, you know, greatly followed and enjoyed, like, art, and natural art, it doesn't matter what it is. You know, it's disgusting to see, and I'm very, I just don't like it. But, I mean, this sort of thing has been happening for so long with, like, so much of YouTube content, like, there's,

those and TikTok that's like a I did this prank on my boyfriend it's like well obviously fake like reality TV you watch any of it

and it's like they're setting this shit up to happen and then pretending like it's real yeah so all these people it's all they produced yeah everyone's watching it and thinking wow this is real life and it's like no you're

you're you're skewing your understanding of reality by engaging with this sort of shit. I know this is part, but I know I know there's a lot going forward of AI. And I'm going to say that I think dying on this hill of, you know, thumbnails and art, it's one thing, but there is there's fucking horrifying dangers that we're only just seeing, which is obviously what young men can do

with pictures of their classmates of this AI technology. That is the straightforward problem and that's going to be horrifying and fuck so many people Well, it doesn't even need to be school kids. You can just make revenge porn or someone. That guy on Twitch. Yes. Oh, right. Yeah, yeah.

If it's like, if you've got a voice against this AI shit, you've got to put it there because that's actually like life fucking ruining shit. And that's going to traumatize people. It's going to be horrific. So it's like if you're going to get a voice for AI content, that's the one you need. And that's what you fucking need. It's, yeah. The sooner that gets regulated, the safer.

So going back to my comment where I say about, the I do use an AI tool built into Adobe Audition which allows you to quickly scan over the entire recorded file and pick out certain mouth noises and that is an AI tool but I guess what the issue is that it's not referencing images and making a new one yeah I think the main but it's still scary though it is still scary and I think the main thing is with AI the best way to go forward of it is that it's not being used to replace people it's just being used to assist in the process and making it. But I don't know how that's even possible, because by the nature of what it's good at,

it's replacing something, a human touch, like video editing will be... Yeah, but I mean, that's been happening with everything since before we were born. The industrialized a loop revolution has been that entirely. That's, it's kind of just human progression. It's similar to like the... It's a little bit different, but just the trajectory of the internet and when that appeared, and it was like, yep, this new... thing. Yeah, carrier pigeons

out of jobs in an instant. Let's not regulate this. Let's just see what happens. Yeah, just put it out of there. But I think it's kind of natural and this was, we were always going to get here. I think we're all just shocked at how soon we've arrived.

And there's something existential about it going straight for like art and culture. The stuff that like you always imagine that like is, it's like the most human. The capital capital capital currency gene, whatever the fuck is called. cultural capital it kind of enhances reality though because like if you disconnect from everything and like just walking past like a busker my mind's on this because there was a guy playing the

saxophone in the underground in in london yeah and like he was all right it's like that that's fucking real you know and he's doing it for for change and it it enhances those real things you know that actual experience outside of the internet because that that is not reality and it hasn't been for a very long time but yeah i i'm not gonna really use a i particularly i still haven't i was uh going forward at the same time at the same at the same time you've done it you've used it for your fucking coursework you've used it for your essays don't lie we know you have because i I have. So, come on. You use it to your questions, Tajar.

I just generate all this. It's the thing. It's just like, oh, you've got a message to send like a fucking Christmas message to family you hate. You're just going to AI generate that. Come on. Yeah. We're all using it.

There was a reply to my comment, which is quite interesting, from a blimey corbus. I'm interested in where the bar is, too. AI scrapes the internet for guides and existing works to grow. But isn't that how people also learn and interact with art? It's more than a little unnerving seeing a part of myself in such a lifeless creation. I don't think the artist's complaints are invalid either. There should be a way to exempt your work from being scraped. Still, are you stealing others' work when drawing off a reference image on Google? I am learning how to play my own music by ear by listening to lots

of songs and transcribing them. When I create my own music, how can I avoid stealing all those artists' work while inevitably being influenced by them? Keep in mind that this is licensed, copyrighted music. On the contrary, I could never absorb the sheer amount of data AI users in its models. With how primitive they still are, it's like seeing our collective human experience in the mind of a toddler. Honestly, it feels like our learning model is just a much more refined and efficient version of theirs. I'm not sure how to approach the best point against AI, though. They don't exist in a vacuum. While the models themselves are fascinating, the human corporations controlling them to an extent are completely unregulated, as you've said. All that said,

what a crazy period of time to be living through its captivating and terrifying at the same time. great way to summarize that and yeah I know people get fed up with a consistent AI thing but I can't stop thinking about it can't stop it is fascinating to me like how quickly this is

coming to our lives and it's like just a tool we can use now and I think that I think that I identified the core of the issue there is like yeah you should be able to opt out like the fact that it's just yeah definitely all this copyrighted stuff is just in there

yeah that's an excellent point there should be like Because obviously most art nowadays is there's people who do art on paper, which is great, love it. But a lot of people are using programs. So it should be that if you're saving, posting your artwork, you have, there's an option that codes in for a line of code, which means it's completely removed from being scraped. It's a common fucking sense. And that even makes me think, like, if you're, if all of your drawings are on a computer

and you're using, like, custom paintbrushes and, like, using smooth. and stuff like this, assisted by computers. Is that make it less of your art then? Is it, or is it a combination? I don't know enough about... Is it just a tool? Making art on like a drawing pad and stuff. I just, yeah, I find it very interesting.

I think the blame is just big tech. Yeah, to me, it depends how much, like, individual control you have. If it's almost analog and it's like, if I use this tool, It will always have this effect. But if the computer is like, I'm going to just adjust this here and have its own sort of input, then there's less on the artist actually making it for like every detail to be their own.

Yeah. You know? Yeah, interesting times. Interesting times. It'd be nice if we could regulate some of this stuff. That'd be awesome. But too much money to be made. Have you seen how much money?

all these tech companies are making off this AI progress just boosts all their stock value so yeah it's quite tricky to predict where it's gonna like end up I just feel like powerless

in the whole situation yeah we are ultimately powerless yeah I think the only way to escape it is to disconnect or a protest I guess it's gonna wind up

like there's x like you know yeah but i mean even then if if you're a company and people i mean obviously unless government gets involved but if people are engaging with the ai systems and like it and there's far more of them what what reason is there to go against it yeah i hear you well let us know in the comments what do you think and uh we'll back after these messages. Yeah. Life can be a dick sometimes. So get your dick from out your hand.

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I just wish it was in service something I cared about a bit more. Yeah, he's really got an eye for action as well. True, yeah. That whole action at the end of Avatar 2, the ship's sinking. Mm-hmm. God damn.

Yeah, it's great. He really sells, like, the weight and power of those big motherfuck. Mm-hmm. Yeah, pretty sick. When the, uh, what's her name? She's like the main... Yeah, she kind of got shafted in the...

Yeah, she did for the lame kid characters. She was like one of the better parts. So when she goes all scary and so, these things can be kind of freaky if you show them this way. Yeah, she goes beast mode. So we'll see the lava guys next, the lava navvy. I made a joke about that on the Sardonicals Review and then it was just like a few weeks later revealed.

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Yeah, I don't know why. I just think of Lord of the Rings. Yeah. Or Mustafa. Boing, boing, trying, boing. Double, triple quad, boing. James got real. James got real.

He said he was peeing. Well, I think pee has become poop We're running out of time What time does it start? 420 420 What, you're still peeing Apparently

See one of those guys that pee's like twice a day Oh shit Woo The Child Speaking of the child Have you seen that lame Star Wars announcement But John Favreau's directing

It's called The Mandalorian and Grogu It's the title of the film A movie It's a film, yeah Merchandising Baby I mean they really should have called it The Mandalorian and Baby Yoda More people were going to see it

Probably yeah That was definitely like floated Like in the flowchart of like the name If not just Baby Yoda Those are the last two, yeah. Do you remember when that show was like fire? Mm-hmm. Like the sickest thing.

Yeah. It was so exciting. Mm-hmm. Yeah. A lot of it doesn't hold up that well, though, now. Really? I re-watched some of the first season a year or two ago. The volume shots are just sometimes so obvious, you know, this dome thing that it created.

Really? I think that's what make, like, we finished And all the other day. The production design is just so much better They're going to all these locations They're up in Scotland They're in London And it makes such a difference Because that show is just not going to look bad

You know, you've revisited in five years And it's still going to look fantastic Where there's all these aged elements already But why can Andor afford to do that As like this show everyone is expecting to? The way I interpret it is that The more popular the Mandalorian got The more like fingers in the pie

And the more like Oh no, you can't leave the baby Yoda thing after season two, like, we need him. You know, we've got a, let's... Yeah, awful idea is it. I bet the internal, like, belief in it was extremely low, so they were just like... Well, you're just going to do what you want, I guess.

Yeah, but surely it costs more money to, like, fly the casting crew out to Scotland and film on site and, like, have to go by... It depends, because, like, the weather and daylight hours. Think about, like, the cast in Mandalorian. I bet they'd be a lot more expensive than, like, random British character actors and and yeah that's true it's just like efficient filmmaking I guess you know mm-hmm yeah I genuinely think they should have just like left the Mandalorian for a while did you even watch season 3 no this

not good because I saw the bit in like randomly in Boba Fett that was that whole show was a train wreck mm-hmm again contributing to me not not even wanting to start and or. Yeah. And I think that's gonna screw the movie too because like we saw with the Marvel's debacle where you needed to watch like two different shows. You see it's all this investment.

It's like what? Yeah, it's too much. So you can keep up with this plot in the Mandalorian and Grogue? Yeah, I don't know what they're, I don't know what they're going for. Like who, who likes it? Who likes that?

Who likes that entertainment being research? And that has been like an ongoing issue meme with like comic books forever. Like they go on and there's so all these like stories and it gets such a mess. They just have to reset at a certain point. It's like so fucking mess. I'm fine. I'm fine, yeah. I'm fine.

I'm fine. Hurry. Cold duty. Black Ups. Call of Duty is doing it too. Call of Duty's doing it too. Doing what? The Disney thing.

They're like interweaving all these stories. Oh, that cringe shit. Yeah, yeah. I remember it used to be like, One Warfare. One Warfare, too. Black Ops. Different thing. Black Ops too. Yeah, they're allowed to be in different silos. Yeah. So they could have different.

Yeah, so then it's, it's, and it's less engagement, like less. Yeah, you need less. You need to do homework. Yeah, I can't think of the word. Welcome to the second after the cast, we head over to the Jarm Media Suggestion thread on the subreddit and answer some beautiful questions like this one, from Clara Bellum.

It's the end of an era. Matt Pat is retiring from the Game Theory channel, so the question now stands, who should take over as the host? Game theory? Yeah. I guess his wife. Well, I think that's part of why he wanted to quit,

It was because, like, he was saying, yeah, like, every time I'm sat with my wife, it's just talking about work and talking about strategies for the channel and blah, blah, blah. He's been on it for a long time. Yeah, yeah, he's a machine, that guy. Yeah. He's probably trying to prioritize his relationship instead of his career. It's not like game theory is going away.

It's just other people will be running it now. It won't be the same. No, it won't. He's like... Well, he wasn't got to prove on that front anymore. Get market player on it. Hmm. Get me.

Get marketplace on it. That's my three cents. I don't also put a homie out. Thanks, boy. You're just too, um, controversial. I'm not controversial. Well, how could you make FNAF law videos? Mm.

He's, ah, true. Okay, fair. You make a fair point. The second he appears in the FNAF movie. He retires. Hmm. maybe he just felt like well what else is there to even do yeah he made it as an actor that was his original plan his picture like in his mansion he's got this wall

with a big space ready of like just take a frame of him in that movie and like a spot for his Oscar but that's just the theory 3D printing Oscar our Sven says if snail suddenly had udders and snail milk became readily available would you try

that milk. Snails? Yeah. No, I wouldn't try the snail milk out of the snail udder. We've remarked before about how the more you think about it, the more unusual it is that we're like, we're just chill, we're drinking cow milk. I don't drink cow milk. You drink pig milk?

No, I drink milk from the teat of an almond. Like, what is that, there's that character in Game of Thrones where their law is like they drank, they were like they drank the milk of what is it giants or something and it made them like really big and strong the mountains

I think it's the wildling guy the ginger guy I think you like he drank giant milk and it made him big and strong that would make sense yeah so maybe snail milk would make you small and slippery

slow small and slimy sloppy and sensitive to salt no I wouldn't drink snail milk yeah I would be curious Well, it would be like, well, how? Are them a million snails now? They evolve into mammals. Is that possible?

Yeah, I'm not sure about that one. But then, uh, Ratatoui PG replied to that saying, if James suddenly had udders, would you try his mode? Yes. No, you wouldn't be trying my udder. I wouldn't let you. That shit's going to, that shit comes with a premium. I'm going to keep that to yourself.

I'm going to keep my udder to myself. Okay, here's a hypothetical. God, we do have another. It's just not milk. Christ. Here's hypothetical, though. Your S.O., your wife, your girlfriend, whatever is pregnant, and there's milk. Would you try?

I think that's one of the main reasons to get your partner pregnant. Mm-hmm. Yeah. James? I think that. Well, it saves those, like, early morning trips to... Yeah, it's like, come on, like, to Costco or whatever. Just go with your tea, you know.

Yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know. Honestly, I'd have to take a, uh, a decision at the time. You ain't seen Mad Max? I've seen Mad Max. I think the curiosity would get the better of me. Have a little shot glass. Um, very, you know, shot glass.

Would you not just go straight from the tea? Yeah, pint glass, straight from the tea. I don't know. There's something about that's a bit. Yeah, that's a homelander. Oh, yeah. That is true. Yeah, I'm not sure about that one.

This is a weird one from Bjorno Pizza. If each of you were turned into cute little birds and trapped in a room with Billy, the cat, who would get killed first? Who would live the longest? The room is outfitted with things for Billy to climb and snatch you up, so evasion is your only option. That's the end bit that I'm confused by.

Would you choose to reproduce to save your bird lineage even if you knew that those little birds would only ever get to experience this room of terror with Billy for the rest of their lives would be three male birds there you're going to be huge with each other I guess they meant maybe there were other birds yeah maybe the window is open

and a few other birds fly in for a minute if the window is open I'd just fly out the window to be fair uh I mean... Well, I think that... The thing is... Billy's a bit of a lazy shit, so it kind of depends on...

No, she... If she had that many birds... No, no, it depends. If she's had her Geel and her bickies, man... Give it a few hours, she's digested... You know, this is what kind of person is feeding her. Because if there's three different people feeding her and none of them communicate together,

she's going to get free lots of jeal and bickies every day, and she's not going to want to hunt birds. No, but... The way I see it in this room, she's trapped in there, too. she has to eat us she has to eat something otherwise she's dying I'd let her eat me

if I'm a bird it's like well I've got nothing to contribute I'm a bird Who would get killed first And who would live the longest I would sacrifice myself For Billy

So I'd die straight into her mouth Yeah Well but then Then if I'm like down there Just like chilling with her She might not kill me Because it's all about the hunt Yeah exactly

So I'd have to kind of like You'd have to pretend to be scared To run away or way And that that'd mean you'd live that longest because you've got to put effort into getting killed now. Yeah, it's like, how fuck? It's too much. Yeah, really interesting question.

Thank you for asking that. Thought provoking. One might say. Intellectually stimulating, perhaps even. Pull on face says, can Alex please acknowledge that he accidentally skipped episode 357? It's messing with my OCD brain, thank you. Well, if that messes up with your brain, don't go back and look through all the numbers

with much scrutiny because you're gonna go mad I think yeah I made the mistake of counting cringmus as an episode but whatever it's already down yeah

it's done it was on a Monday so it counts I sometimes I've joked with you guys before like should we just have next episode be episode 630 or something you know just

yeah getting to the big leagues who cares you know just if we jump a number and we like there's like two years between jumping that number nobody's going to go back and be like oh is this actually episode 370

he would just be like okay this is episode 690 yeah people understand us now yeah we've got we've got to take every like five years you've got to take a big jump towards joe wogan's numbers we've got to compensate for those five years we've just got to add a thousand here or there now and again um this is an interesting one from vill de grightan

hello job boys hello what do you think is the most overrated and underrated animal Overrated Golden Retrievers No, no No They're underrated And I think they're not

They're not underrated They're not They're literally rated I'd say they're perfectly rated Yeah They guide dogs They're useful They're cute

Overrated Dolphins No the big rats No Capaburrs Overrated No they're fine No they suck

Why Why do they suck Because Like everyone Everyone thinks Oh they're just so chill They're just so chill No, they're unaware.

They don't know... They don't know... Yeah, they don't know what's around them. Regarded. I said regarded. I said regarded. Yeah, they're... They're not capable of, like, being chill and nice,

because they're just, like, stupid and unaware. But, like, you could say that about, like, cats, couldn't you? No, cats... Cats are, like, sociopaths. So, surely they're overage. No, they're aware. Cats are overrated unless it's a Bombay. Yeah.

Yeah, cats can be overrated. Yeah. There are some overrated cats. I mean... Case and point. My underrated one is bozoys. I don't even know. I love bozoys.

They're really thin, like really white fluffy ones. They're a Russian breed that was bred to hunt wolves. Yeah. They're incredible. Oh, yeah. They kind of look like greyhounds. They're like cryptids. They look really cryptic.

Yeah, they look like a fancy creature. Yeah, but they're majestic. Like, they are stunning. Yeah. I'd love one, but apparently they have this weird behavior with their really long head where they always like, when they want attention, they flick their head up. So all the borese owners have all these injuries and bruises because they would go under there and go, it's smack me.

Honestly, I've done that to me and give me so many nose beads. I'm used to it away. So imagine how much worse it would be with the bores. I've got a underrated animal The wombat I love wombats They're hilarious Yeah you don't hear much about wombat

You know they poo cubes Really? Their poo is a cube I'm serious bro No, no you're lying Did you AI generate that response? No because of course I was just I was Googling wombats the other day

And You know got a wombat's um they have a what the fuck was I even saying like I just completely lost what I was saying cubic poos

yeah right yeah yeah no Google recommends um when you're searching something like I just searched wombat and then I saw in the suggested things it was wombat poo I was like why are people searching for wombat poo that's fucking weird

how does how do how do how do the bowel create a cube no I'm serious bro look the hell what they are kind of cubic yo look at that guy

that looks like brownies like chunks of fucking but that's not even the end of it because I found out wombat's also have a specific defence mechanism which is the craziest thing like I've ever heard an animal

so they they borrow right yeah I'm not sure if they're marsupials but they probably are the ones that were saving like other animals during the Australian fires bringing them into their caves using their burrows

their defence mechanism is linked to their burrows when threatened it will escape to the nearest burrow where it can defend itself by crushing a predator's head with its rump against the roof or wall of the burrow in the open an adult wombat

can usually hold its own against a single dog that is overcome by a pair or pack of dogs so they twerk you to death wow they crush you let's go wombat's a fight so I think that's a fight so I think

That's the underrated animal Yeah, they shit cubes and they twerk It's like You look at a picture of a wombat And you're like That thing can't do shit That's just like a walking steak And then of course

Because it lives in Australia It's got all this like crazy It poops cubes and twerks you to death It crosses your head with his ass Maybe that's how it gets like the cubes From this is compressing its shit in his ass Yeah I can't think of an underrated animal

Really, it must be something We're not partial to Exile bully Underrated We can do it Overweighted There's loads of overrated There's loads of overrated

A friendly fire here Corgis Yeah They are overrated They are not very nice I think that's But that's what's funny about them to me Yeah

But like It's super strong personalities It's not what I was expecting You know What you expect is like The diby They're like overly cute Yeah

That like eats a mushroom And hops around Yeah yeah Yeah I wasn't expecting Argy Like I Now that I know what Argy is I'm cool with him

Like we've got a mutual They're not dogs It's weird No I've never called him a dog I just call him a mammalian Yeah He's not a dog

He's got a bit of a wombat in him. I was looking at a dodo in the Natural History Museum when I was in London. And it had this side eye glance. And I was looking at this dodo, this like dodo reconstruction or whatever. Maybe it's a real dodo. I don't know. I don't know the dodo, but it was agi. Really?

I was looking at it and it's like the color of its eyes and the shape of its eye. maybe he's a bit bird-brained as well then yeah he's well he's more than mammalian he's just got bits of everything he's like part horse yeah um donkeys underrated yeah

I saw a couple donkeys at Christmas they're nice don't don't let them bite you yeah they don't let them bite you and treat them with respect don't put too much on their poor backs yeah be nice

Yeah, I like donkeys Yeah, I think that's fair Do you think, do you think Shrek hurt or helped donkey? I think Shrek helped help donkey optics Yeah Yeah, I think you're right I think because he He lays with a dragon

That's true, he pulls a dragon Yeah, like that's kind of fire And then has hybrid mutant children with the dragon Yeah And he makes that biological, he's so powerful He just biologically, he's, He's, yeah, he's like the most powerful Shrek creature.

So is that like, is that the fairy tale nature of donkeys that he can like impregnate anything, anything? Oh, that's messed up is that? Shrek, I'm looking down. J.J.D.C. says a question for the Jalfellas. Do you think that in the future memes are going to be studied

in a similar way like other pieces of culture and media? For example, like how literature plays and films are studied today. are there going to be textbooks in schools about the influence of the troll face epic sax guy in Dam Daniel on our culture? I think maybe not specifically on specific type of memes but I think there will be

I think one's attached to significant moment Yeah like Ted Krasinski There's going to be definitely studying to the meme culture of him And the obsession people have with him When he was a terrorist you know So that type of memes are going to get like research Because it shows more psychologically

and it does old epic sax guy yeah and I'm thinking like the um the terrorist in New Zealand who had all the stuff on his weapon which is meme culture I don't even think it needs to be even that extreme

like say it's a hundred years in the future and you're watching the boys there are scenes in the boys that like use memes and reference memes so to understand that you would have to understand meme culture yeah

So maybe there will be Yeah, I can't imagine where that Meme history is gonna... You know they say that like the kids that are in school now Are likely gonna be Doing jobs that don't exist yet Hmm Um, so maybe yeah, meme historian is coming up

I feel like that's a job for us when older Because we would have seen them, we would have seen the early day Yeah, bring meme chat back How about Masterclass We can do TED talk about what memes Mem chat, masterclass There's one I want to end on By Bloodcock 2

With the talks of Red Dead 2 from Alex I'm curious What about it does Alex and Jamie like so much I played it once and I loved it But on repeat playthroughs I really do feel how repastive And linear the story is Naky Jakey video captures it pretty well

But even exploring the open world gets dull Because there aren't many random events To keep things fresh They're really just three variations Have helped someone that is kidnapped Suck venom off of someone Or save someone from a bear trap Sure you can hurt animals

But there are just a random chance Of waiting for them to spawn And then you just use your eagle eye And follow a line Um The random events thing is wrong There are way more than three variants They're countless

And some I still have never seen before that are surprising me um i think they they function way better as random events as well because they are scripted yeah they they have like a little story as opposed to like a random event in one of the miscellaneous quests and yeah and i there's definitely like the nakey jakey video about the mission design is is definitely like completely valid yeah i just think we're not a stage with video games yet where you can have the level of story telling that the Red Dead 2 has and also the freedom of like Zelda that's the trade-off in my mind is like yesterday for example I did that mission where you go to the there's like the feminist protest mission and like you

don't really do anything in the mission you just kind of listen to dialogue and drive a coach which yeah is not a very engaging bit of gameplay um but I'm so invested in the world I think the dialogue is so well written i think the plotting is so good um yeah and like you know like starfield just came out and like there's never a moment like braith weight manor or the attack on the oil fields or like these things that like every few months i just go and watch those missions on inchukes i think they're so like impactful and yeah and you can't have those moments like Zelda is the open world total opposite to redden yeah like or like alderm ring yeah olden ring yeah Eldon Ring and constantly

you feel this Eldon Rings probably better than Zelda for the most part in like big moments because it also has the big castles and stuff but that you don't have these high intensity moments like you and a gang

walking up to Braithwaite Manor and shit just popping off and this stuff happening around you it's not so much like story focused and if if you're invested in the story and like

when I really like a movie I will watch it multiple times I don't complain that it's repetitive because it's literally the same thing you know yeah and I'm on my third playthrough I've read dead too

I still haven't I still haven't had an identical playthrough in terms of like the way I've gone through it the which honour way I'm going to lean which guns I'm going to use even which just order, I do things, there's like...

Yeah, and like styles of Arthur, like, facial hair and clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you could just be like fat Arthur if you want to. Yeah. Your horse fat. Um, uh, but then there's a what like, there's like the, there's gambling, there's all the challenges you can do. There's, uh, all the, like the bones and the dream catchers and all this stuff you can find. There is plenty of game in the game. Yeah. I don't, yeah, I just, yeah, I don't really agree with the,

it's like that thing you see people we post on like game subredits like referencing starfield there'll be a post it's like so i'm an hour 1,150 and i'm just kind of getting bored like yeah yeah we do expect a bit much sometimes from from games like yeah i think considering its age how it holds up how good it still looks all this stuff i'm yeah i've yet to find an open world as immersive as that for me for different reasons yeah because if I want that pure gameplay it will be an Eldon Ring

yeah and there are things I would change about Red Dead that I think would make it more sandboxy and utilise like every mechanic more but at the same time

they would directly clash with the story and the intent the focus is there and that that is the intent like it it's a story game um

and I was thinking about like remember like the first playthrough of that game you're like so bad at it and you don't understand the way it's kind of built so like you're always like crashing your horse and like going fly and stuff and it's like now I don't think I've even crashed once on this playtree because I understand how it's built

in the way the AI is built and like when you're on your horse it's like it's not like a car it's like a creature you're riding that has its own sort of AI So if you're running through dense trees If you take your finger off The stick pushing forward It will not crash into a tree

If you're not directing it against It's like AI pathing Yeah Which I think annoys people because they want to be in total control But it's kind of an immersion thing Where you are like controlling That's what other rings for You press left and armorying your horse is going to go

but yeah um i like that dedication to the animation and the weight of everything so it makes it part of the game as well because to me in red dead traversal is like part of it you know and yeah especially when you have an encounter with enemies the the awkwardness of moving around the world plays into the challenge of combat because if you're riding a horse and trying to shoot dudes and you direct your horse into a tree you're getting like shot up while you get like cool and prompt you weren't anticipating like I was hunting something

when I was playing yesterday and I was like just about to get it and then these bounty hunters attack me it's like all like this chaos and you'll have to scramble to yeah

and I think the best way to play that game is with a bounty on you yeah that's what I'm doing I've got a bounty everywhere yeah and you never pay it off I don't think

I think it should be much harder in the game to pay that stuff off I think money should be rarer in the game because like when when Dutch is talking about like just one more job and you've got like $9,000 in your satchel is kind of stupid that

that takes away from the story but I mean the fact that we can talk this much about it and we could talk for much longer about all of our like little experience I could probably do like a six hour podcast on yeah yeah just talking about it and James would really really be interested in that so we're going to do that next episode and don't invite me on it I've not played it I'm never going to But you're not confident Why have you shut it off You loved Red Dead one bro

I did love Red Dead one There's a different game It's a different era Okay But yeah you can talk about Red Dead I'm happy But it's just difficult to talk about When I've not played it

I have no idea about it I think that's That's the end there guys Any final words For the listeners out there Um Believe in yourself believe in your money

set a goal and really go for it it's the new year baby new you um new year's resolution be more brutal yeah yeah be more fire yeah

let the fire burn within you and burn the embers of time yourself a fire yeah all right girl all right girl Mm-hmm Exercise

Exercise Yeah I got the crunchy Please Remember me Remember me What Me saying the word dopamine?

People I hate it People don't like me saying the word dopamine I think I think I might have some kind of like filter that blocks it, because I don't notice it. Do you have it? Do you notice when James says the... It's a word I use a lot, and it's just because...

You do use it a lot. It just is perfectly usable to explain why... Switch it to... No, there's another, like, happy chemical. There's dopamine. Oxytocin? Oxytocin. No, that's the sexy one.

That's what oxytocin is. And dopamine. Every... Everything... Your body, like, is pleased with you doing. It gives you a look. Just like, if our entire existence is based upon dopamine, why can't I use it? I get hello dopamine just from being touched.

Yeah. I get dopamine from chess. I get crazy dopamine from chess. Yeah. I get crazy dopamine from like the most... We've got to try and get a game in before we go. In intense chess matches, I even almost get the... You know when you're doing a Dark Soul's boss?

It almost gets to that, though. Yeah. I get the most dopamine I jamming from making really bad financial decisions that's what fucking sends my brain a light You need to come to Vegas then Maybe not Maybe you should be done from Vegas

I don't want I shan't dare dip into it No I was thinking about it yesterday And I was like It was getting to me Like the thought process of like What if I just won like 50 grand Yeah I was thinking

that, like, what house am I going to buy? When I get back. Yeah. That's how they get you, though. After putting, like, five pounds down on the blackjack. No, but that's what I've been doing in red there, just, like, practice in poker. Yeah. We need to get the poker set out and do some.

Yeah, well, so you can lose again. You can lose again. Yeah, that's what I mean, though. You almost have the biggest advantage when you don't know what's going on. Yeah. Because you don't overthink it. You can't read someone's bluff if they don't know there. bluffing.

As long as there's someone there who actually does know the rules, if everyone doesn't use the slick. You've got to be a wild card. You've got to just... Yeah. Well, it's like fighting you in Killer Instinct. Yeah. I don't know what he's going to do next

because he doesn't know what he's going to do next. You know, I can't read you. You just, you lose instantly because I do one move that I accidentally did. Yeah. Thank you.