JAR Media Posdact - Is Star Wars: The Phantom Menace as BAD as they say?

Episode Date: August 5, 2020

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Good afternoon, morning, evening or night, ladies and gents. My name is Alex. I'm joined here by Jim. Howdy? I'm Watter. I am the Watterman. And we're here to answer one question for you today, and that is, is Star Wars episode 1, the Phantom Menace.

As bad as they say, let's just start this off by going around one by one. Okay, I'm going to start with James and go around to me Asking James Is the Phantom Menace as bad as they say? No Jim, is the Phantom Menace as bad as they say Yes

But now a little bit And I'm Kind of there with you My heart Says no My heart says no But my brain says yes Yeah

That's the best one I can put it so where to begin with this one what do you reckon there's a lot to uh take in with this movie there's a lot to unpack what we tend to do on these is go sort of character by character okay so how about we start of newt gumray

what is your read on uh newt james who okay let's go more to someone you're definitely gonna know um wotto should we lay out sort of the characteristics of Wotto for the viewer that might not know the character quite as intimately as say you might

so you're saying we're going to skip past his kind of war time stuff I'm saying that's exactly what we should get into sort of break down the character so people understand this no that is phantom anus so this character is displayed to you he's the uh jewish stereotype He owns slaves And slave owner Gambling addict

Yeah He's also established And he loves money Mm-hmm Adores it Mind tricks won't a work on him Only money So those are his sort of characteristics

But he ties into the story Through being He's a slave owner and he owns Anakin But I think There's more to this character Than meets the art Yeah just purely in his visual design you know missing that tusk uh he's got a he's got the equivalent of a limp

bit in the way he flies you know he flies with a limp whatever that there's there's a lot of grotesque like character designs in this movie but i think his is probably the worst we're being around the bush here but the the wotto thing is an example as is jaja of um one of the widely criticized aspects of the movie that being the uh kind of stereotype nature of some of the voices and characters, things that just make you raise your eyebrow a little bit and go, what was your thinking there, George? My lord, is that legal?

Like, it's not like he was trying to sneak a first one past us, it's like these are just caricatures and stereotypes, and they're really quite of ill will. Yeah, yeah, and I'm at a point where I'm so deep with this movie where the, I take it, for what it is, you know? I don't even read into that side of it. I'm just like, this is Newt Gameray at this point, you know?

This is just Newt. This is Wotto. They're real. They might as well be real to me, you know? They exist. As far as you're concerned. As far as I'm concerned, they're real and Wato are real. They exist right now.

They are as real as you are to me right now. The fuck. Point was I trying to make. This, this movie, um, is, is, is core to me in ways that I find hard to explain. The, the deep-rooted nature and levels of humour that I derive from this movie are sickening, honestly. Yeah, it is extremely funny a lot of the time, making it definitely not the worst Star Wars movie, yeah, for the record, yeah.

But on top of that humor being in it, there is some really awesome stuff. stuff in there as well that's the thing the best way I can think of to summarize this movie is that it is a dad making a Star Wars movie mm-hmm and dads they got good ideas you know yeah yeah some good ideas but the this is no dad George Lucas before he was a dad when he was in his prime early filmmaker struggling filmmaker trying to get a new home made there's passion in there there's a sense of creativity where he's assigning all the things he loves and kind of putting it in a new package for people to digest and then he did it again with

empire and then he did it again with Jedi sort of sort of and then he vanishes has a kid he becomes a dad and then eventually when the kids have grown up a bit now he's got time to make his new movie let's go back to Star Wars but he's forgotten Star Wars he doesn't know Star Wars wait he kind of know Star Wars but his life has changed his perspective has changed in such a way where he doesn't truly know Star Wars anymore yeah he can't know Star Wars anymore

but the saddest part is all the ideas in this movie if kind of reorganized repackaged focused on more filtered through you know just brainstormed a bit more

focused down more get another writer in there maybe get another director to direct the movie there's a lot about the ideas behind the phantom menace that i really like points in which like uh from a top level sense kind of work for me but the way they are enacted and the way we see it unfold before our eyes is so incredibly inept that even i cannot come up with excuses to justify um some of the stuff that goes on in the movie which is why i cannot say with much confidence that it is

is that much better than they say. Yeah, I don't think it is much better than they say. And when I reference that, I mean, there's been a bit of a swell and uprising around the prequels in general. Yeah, yeah. That, you know, basically people, our generation, who grew up with them as kids are getting older now

and they're like, Star Wars movies, basically. And they always will be to, I think, all of us in some way. but at the same time the part of my mind that like is looking for a certain level of quality or consistency even even if it was more baby

you know more kiddie even if it was more consistently baby and kiddie like you know like the Clone Wars is or whatever at least there's something consistent you can expect and dig into there you know what you're getting into but this movie's juggling a story about

a political figure using a proxy war in order to manipulate power structures at the same time as the Jar Jar Binks stepping in poop

Gets his tongue stung Yeah everyone knows Jajabinks and you just can't tell what he's saying half the time

Going through the Planet Corps Bad Brahmin any help here would be hot I mean you noted as we're watching it but crucial points of exposition and story given through Jar Jar a character that is incredibly hard to understand

a character which I can see in some parallel universe working somehow Really? The only way I can envision it happening is he can't be fully CG because it's aged so badly

it doesn't work He needs to be redesigned and he needs to be toned down literally 90%. Yeah Don't do that again. No, that's something about

another thing that people criticise this movie for perfectly justify criticism. The CGI is awful. That I kind of disagree with. No,

the visual effects Yeah, yeah, because there's lots of good ones, but the CGI is bad now. The way they animate everything is like a cartoon and not like real life thing. No, I'm gonna disagree because there's times when they use the CG in a good way so you don't notice it's shit

Like when? The whole pod racing scene. I think the visual effects are surprisingly good, I think the problem is The the like creative drive doesn't make sense that the ideas are clashing George Lucas is envisioning this like super cartoony stupid world with the flying bug things like Wotto and there's really no way to make that look real real I can't think of a single example

of a film with creatures that ridiculous and it kind of coming across in a way that no that is a good point sells it but like yeah because some some of the CGI in the movie is actually really good contradicting what I just said like the whole underwater sequence Yeah, the underwater sequence is surprisingly good. James mentioned the pod race, which...

Yeah, yeah. Just in terms of visual effects and visuals is crazy good. Just like visual storytelling. It's a fun ride. Yeah, much is the same with the other prequels, but these movies are the best when people aren't talking, and it's just action. It's the only time you see the true, like, style wars

that you kind of expect to see. is in the action scenes because it's like it's got some life, some vibrancy, some movement. But yeah, the car stuff, the way that bleeds into the Padres thing and like... Yeah. Whenever George Lucas directs stuff moving fast, it tends to work.

Like even, um... Like, it makes sense why the, the trench run and you hope is so good. You know? Because it's like things moving down a track fast. Yeah, he loves vehicles. You can turn. Until he actually kind of understands that as well.

Like he gets it. Yeah, like how to tell a story visually instead of just have like a fucking room of characters sitting and then flipping the camera between them. As someone who grew up, no Star Wars. I never knew anything about Stars, but I knew the pod racing game. That is such an untapped idea

and it's so good in the actual movie. The whole sound design of it. It's so much there. I think it It doesn't work as a whole in the movie No, because you don't care about any of the characters involved in the scene No But it's presented in such an exciting way

Yeah, just if someone just showed that segment Of that movie and you hadn't seen the rest, you'd think Wow, this Stiles movie might be right I don't know about this twin-headed guy in his commentary The rest of it's pretty cool And that's the thing of the movie, it's like you have to pick out It's like a huge pile of shit and you're picking out the, like, gold nuggets that have been thrown through.

It's like, it's a nice steak, but, like, 75% of it's fat. So you need to cut it down and you get, like, this puny, fucking shitty steak. But you can't cut it in a way that gets you any of the meat, so you're basically just eating fat. There's that beautiful scene from the, like, behind the scenes documentary that's on the DVD, where they're, like, watching it for the first time. And they're talking... It's iconic. Yeah, it's iconic.

And they're talking about how there's just... no way to re-edit the movie because things like Jar Jar are so like intertwined so it's not a case of oh Jar Jar Jar doesn't work let's just edit them out no we've committed too much time and too much

like real estate to this idea that they've fucked it I can't even think of a way where if they remove Jar Jar Jar well placed him it could work he's so vital to the story the whole movie's broken on that but do you think taking Jar Jar

out the movie would be much more bearable because I have a feeling the movie would be and it would improve things that's so much no I wouldn't even say that it wouldn't be getting with a jar jar I'd just be changed to the voice

and you'd probably be fine like not so high pitch and so just turn him down yeah turn him down keep everything the same even with the like people would be more forgiving if it was like bad CG and look bad now

but he was cool in some way or likable in some way but it was just way too much way too far and you've basically already implied about the Planket review how much damage did that video do to this movie's reputation and will it ever recover from it because that video is like so good yeah that it like crushes the film you just watch scenes from it and you can't not hear Mr Plinkett's voice while it's playing Because it was so true That he nailed it so hard

With like what was wrong with the movie One side you got this political drama And the other side you have this like literal Not just a kid's cartoon But like a fucking baby's cartoon Yeah And on the opposite ends of each other And it just doesn't make any sense

It is just what you said Like it's a movie made by a guy Like a dad He's not what he doesn't get what he did Anymore Yeah or it's like he gets what it is but it's so grey and muddy

that it's not the same thing that it once was Yeah, yeah It's like a filtered, dadded version of something But it also sort of feels like Well, especially with this one I can't really say the same for the other two But it does have that Star Wars look and feel Yeah, I think about that a lot

And on Tatooine Because this came out in 99 And there was a bit of a gap Before the second one or the fifth one um but i i do have it like a distinct separation where yeah it is way more cgish in two and three to me yeah and there's a lot more practical stuff in the movie uh i think just in general a lot of it jar jar aside looks better than um a fair amount of stuff in especially two yeah two is the worst prequel for the record do you guys remember

the marketing blitz that led up to this because I don't think I've ever experienced anything quite like it since maybe I was just the perfect age I would have been free at the time I did not remember any of it but the there was something about the phantom menace just the pure amount of money

they put into that marketing thing just the toys and the vending machines and just the iconography was everywhere it was so embedded into like children's minds at that age that you couldn't avoid it in my head that's just all three of the prequel yeah it's phantom menace for me particular i remember like all the like and this is probably just because of my age but like the back of the cereal boxes and yeah yeah but i remember that

vending machine there's vending machines everywhere and the the adverts and the posters and shit like it just had the such a striking like just campaign i don't know how much money they spent on that but it clearly worked I don't know if it's still the case but Star Wars was like the biggest IP of all time wasn't it yeah but like the way they

they toyed everything and like so before the movie was even out like you were getting these like in serial like packets like a Queen Amadala toy so no one even knew what that character was but they just assumed they were cool

because it was Star Wars yeah yeah this film is memed so hard some of the best memes of some of the best Star Wars memes actually come from your Phantom Menace Yeah

It's quite quotable It's very quotable I'm in disagreement If I think of Star Wars memes It's the third one The first one I don't We're not denying the I've seen

From that movie No but the most No There's the majority of Star Wars memes I don't think come from this one I didn't say that There are just some good ones in here. You just said the

major, the good ones got some of the best ones like the palpeteen yeah, thick palpeteen that's a masterful meme the, God, what does he say? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one. Yeah, surprised to be sure, but welcome one. I can't, I just think of

the second and third themes are so much more memeable. This isn't. Mostly because of Obi-Wan. Hello there. Yeah. Yeah, that's all you can really take from the second and third one. I have the high ground. But yeah, the humour side cannot be underplayed and understated. There's just this beautiful thing to me about the movie where...

I totally see what he's going for with a lot of it. Yeah, and with every re-watch, because this movie, in my opinion, is incredibly re-watchable. And with every re-watch, you sort of... it starts to sort of convince you that like you're still you get it more and more we just watched the movie now and we were talking about maybe we just shouldn't watch it because you know

we're so familiar with it but I'm so glad we did because if I didn't watch it just now I probably would have come on here and been like nah it's way better than people say because it's been it's been months and months and I was like thinking about it I've reading the wiki reading the wiki

reading the Wotto law and I'm like convinced it myself in my head that this is actually kind of cool which is like you can't blame Star Wars fans for doing that's the cool stuff

about the world it's so creative so silly so many monsters and aliens and stuff it captures your imagination and that's what's fun about it and that's what everyone

shares in with the jokes and memes like but yeah as I was saying you do see what he's going for from time to time yeah like this idea of Anabu these like two shared kind of

civilizations that are occupying the same space but they're of opposite sides and the story is like changing throughout the conflict and learning something while the heroes are there and they're involved and that's like just a small part of it you see the trouble with that is that that kind of is that only arc in the whole film like what character has changed Like, the, well, yeah, the only point of the movie is, is Palpatine's move. It, and Quigon's decision to, like, commit to his ideas, because it's kind of highlighting the point, the point of where the Star Wars saga kind of begins, the beginning of the end, as it were.

Yeah, yeah. Where Quigon's, like, convinced that Anacan's, like, going to be the one. And everyone's like, no, he's not the one. the one, but he convinces like Obi-1 to train him, and that winds up being the, it's basically Quigone's fault that everything happens. Yeah, that everything happens, but

it also kind of needed to happen. Which is like, I love the idea of Quigone. I think he's such a cool idea that's like great Jedi. And I think the overall plot of the prequels, including this movie, is cool. Yeah, it's just like... It could have worked. It's just like the ages of the characters

are a bit wrong, the timeline's all fucked up, the order of events is kind of weird the things they're showing and highlighting just don't make sense like the the b movie kind of serial aspect of it is there in that way you know yeah for sure where it is like these small o'alian stories and harkening back to like kind of westerns no i really like how this movie like from the start it's really sort of low stakes like this world is sort of a piece

but stuff is just starting to boil and it's a cool idea and how this small thing that happened triggers this yeah and that's what I kept saying when we're watching it was like this is just too ambitious it's too much to be trying to do in one movie

yeah there's so much there's so much story in this that I didn't understand like I watched this movie over and over and over when I was younger and the George Lucas himself has said that this movie is like meant for kids mm-hmm and I don't think I understood the movie until I watched it when I was like 20 no no this is this is why I think the movie is as bad as they say yeah when you're a kid you like half the movie because you like the

dumb shit mm-hmm you know and then when you're an adult when you finally understand it you're like oh that's kind of cool but now I hate all the old shit which is like dumb and for babies so what am I supposed to think about this movie yeah it makes the movie for nobody. Yeah, which is a crime, whereas if it just committed to one of them, then at least one audience would be thrilled with it. Yeah. How about we round off by going through the IMDB scores, Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes, and see what we think.

We think it's fair or not. I'm down. Let's start with IMDB. This has a 6.5 from 710,000 users, so quite a few. and to me that's I don't know that's quite generous I think yeah I think that's got the Star Wars bump for sure

no no because there's two different levels of good films and there's two different levels of giving something a high review this movie's good for being unbelievably shit and unbelievably kind of good in what it tries it's so embedded into the

like culture like film culture yeah I think just because it's it's a shit film that's fun to watch doesn't mean you should let it go for being a shit film no but we're not letting go we're just saying it's enjoyable it's an enjoyment you can't let something get away

I see what you're saying though about everyone uses the rating I mean whatever you can say the same about all of them how about this one then for Metacritic this is 36 critics coming together and they decided on well Metacritic decided on a 51 on there critically from a from a

movie point of view that's fair Don't you think, yeah, that kind of makes sense with how we just ended that, saying how it kind of is 50% for... Yeah, that's true. Yeah. But again, depending on how you view the scale. That's the score, by the way, on Metacritic is 6.1, so a whole point higher. I'm surprised that's lower than the IMD one, though.

It is from far fewer ratings, though. Right. And finally, the Rotten Tomatoes. 53% from 230 reviews so it's all kind of around the same yeah audience score on there is a 59% from well over a million so it does seem to kind of average out five six kind of yeah 5.5 which is yeah it's not the worst read yeah like we said there's some logic to it on a purely enjoyment scale I would rate this movie like a six or a seven on a purely critical scale I would rate the

the director's commentary 10 out of 10 that is where the true entertainment lies as like an adult styles fan who grew up with the prequels if you haven't done that and you watch them as a kid and like you haven't seen them

that's a good way of doing it because it gives you so much insight into his thought process which makes you understand so much more about the movies and dislike them more but also dislike them for a reason

you know that you're like okay I understand why you made that reasoning but come on George this makes no sense when you when you're putting this on a commentary track and you're saying this out loud so that's my little suggestion yeah I still need to watch that but yeah I mean the prequels though especially something about the Phantom Menace to me that's the one which is like

I don't really give a shit about the other two in the same way I care about the phantom something about the phantom menace I think it's the closest to being a good movie yet like it's got the most heinous shit in it

well not the most because Yoda jumping around and the majority of the shit and the second one's worse overall yeah I think we can all agree on that but yeah it just makes it more disappointing that it came it had those golden nuggets

you know it's it's a piece of shit with golden nuggets the other two are just pieces of shit right no I disagree with that though even then the third one has some golden nuggets I think most people agree attack the clones is the weakest yes but the debate is much more on revenge and if it's

good on it how many times have you actually seen it Revenge of the Sith? No Phantom menace Phantom menace I don't know so many Replayability is a big thing

there's one thing I dislike about movies is replayability what lack of it yeah there's no luck you can't replay any movie but the only problem I have with that though is that and Jim pointed to the site

when I'm watching it is there is a middle chunk of the movie which is fucking trash when does it kind of begin well it's it's just before and just after the pod race right those two segments of the movie suck yeah because they've got to grind down

the movie to set up this pod race thing basically just something happened audience and the whole fucking political situation. I do like the idea of like establishing and proving a hero through an event like that. Yeah, I think that's cool. Yeah, you're introduced.

That's the first time we're seeing Anakin. But he should have been like maybe late teens, like 18, 19, maybe even early 20s. Not a fucking two year old. No, you shouldn't have been that old. Because then it doesn't make sense.

Like at all. Then you'd have to be like that whole. thing for him being older. In George's mind and I remember this from the commentary the reason it goes wrong is because he's too old to start the training process and if he was

the right age he would have been a fine Jedi. But why is Luke fine? This is the problem with Star Wars the more you start breaking it down the less any of it starts making sense and I start switching off. So it's all shit then? In a way I mean it's all a being

movie taking from, you know, tropes of, like, Japanese cinema and westerns and, I mean, there's a certain silliness to it. Do you ever think the Phantom Menace is kind of like an anime? No. Mm. No. Any other notes on things that make the Phantom Menace as bad as they say? Do we kind of agree on the basic stuff that, like,

Obi-1 needed more time. Yeah, I think Obi-1 needed more time. The movie really needed a villain. Like a clear... Darth Moore would have acted as a perfect, like, obvious villain, whereas Palpatine is the background villain, as he kind of always has been. But it needed something like that,

because there's, like, no one really to root against. The whole point is that Palpatine is, like, really sneakily. You don't even know he's the villain. If you were, like, a kid watching it, you would have no idea that he's the villain. But obviously, Darth Maul is, and he just kind of gets taken out and gets no development.

and dies. I kind of wish they focused more on Quigone and Obi-1 in the first half because it would have gave more development to Obi for them to lead Anakin to the other two movies. It's just so...

They rushed it straight out of the box just to get Anakin in and that fucks the movie in terms of every other character practically. Well, I think Darth Moore shouldn't have been killed as well because that's another problem with the whole trilogy

and because this movie fucked it up the trilogy suffers like if there was a an enemy that you could latch on to for the whole trilogy like Darth Vader it was for the originals you just don't have that and Darth Sidious doesn't even get beaten he's not a bad either he gets beaten right at the end not at the end of this trilogy so it's just super unsatisfying and that's because this movie fucked it they jump between people too quickly because it they could have done they could have had Darth more like being they could have left like a cliffhanger though

so then you're like oh did he die they didn't they didn't do that at all because then he yeah they could have done like in a new hope where you know Darth Vader's tiefighter's knocked off so he's kind of defeat he's out of the picture or even um Kylo ren in episode seven that's more obviously like

leading up to more shit though like if he just like fell down the shoot and it was like gone or something and then came back or whatever yeah because there needed to be like more because obviously Darfur killed Kwan and then Obi-Bron

if Darth more returns it it adds like this rivalry in the background between creating which they put in Glomores yeah it's just I don't fucking get it I mean that I mean even in that it's like kind of an eye roll like robot legs like you didn't think this through it's just stupid and when when he falls down the hole and his top half smacks into the side of the fucking

like silo and then he tumbles down like he clearly was not meant to survive no it's the most fucking poorly executed thing there's really nothing to be said about how bad it's not good for starting a trilogy

though at all we haven't really mentioned the Padme angle Queen Amadale I like the aesthetic of Padme is it uh with the

the queen fucking I guess she's the Queen Amadala you know what I mean it's so fucking confusing because there's like a reveal where they reveal that actually the queen is a fake queen is the queen. She's pretending

to be the queen. So she could I still don't really get that part. She no to know that would make sense it would really make sense because Natalie isn't actually legal in the world if they said that she was

underage and someone was acting on her behalf that would work but she's her character's like a young teenager but she's already the queen so she's already a political figure I know but they could have at least made that make sense that whole fucking thing

if they changed that a little bit he plays with these like really adult ideas you know like the technicalities of war and the political side of it and how it all comes together and how you do have like body doubles and bodyguards

and all these different things and different techniques It never sets up a situation in when that's needed. It's just there because it can be. If the whole Federation thing, and you know, the blockade will happen 50 years before and it was still ongoing, that would make sense for her to have a bodyguard because there'd be like a war going on. Yeah, yeah.

But they don't. It's just there because it can be. And then when they kill off the queen and the next one, it means nothing. I... Yeah. Doesn't it actually start on that? Like, boom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, it does. And another thing I found kind of confusing was in the admittedly cool setting that they fight in at the end, the lightsaber fight with Darth Moore. It's striking imagery, but it is strange to me how that location is not established in any way before the fight is set there. You know, it's just, you know, a little thing. Like, I don't know if that's necessarily a problem because, Like Cloud City, the fight that goes down there, they don't establish this whole. They kind of do, they establish Cloud City, though, don't they?

Yeah, I guess it being in the clouds sort of suggest that there are places you can fall off. Yeah, I guess there's something about, like, they show this, like, beautiful palace, and then they show the inside, and it's like this weird, like, futuristic, like, energy, huge, and beans. There's like a clash there where there isn't brilliant Cloud City, because it's also. Is they just using the imagery from the first ones? Because people recognize that. I mean, I'll disagree with that because I think the imagery is actually really varied from the original.

No, just that bit, just that fight, is the same as the Luke and Anakin fight. But it's a massive trap. Oh, right, I see what you mean. Yeah. They're using that imagery comparison, I guess, with that kind of thing. But it's like the whole laser thing, when they're kind of blocked, could have been really creative use of it. I quite like what they did with that in the fight, when the red laser. This is what I mean, though, also about them not establish.

it's like such an intricate setup with these like laser doors and shit and like they you just have to kind of go with it you know yes it's poorly set up but it's a cool idea if they adjust it yeah it's a really cool idea it could have been pretty set yeah i like no i think the way they show in like a slower way that doth mall's like like a dog just trying to win the fight and quagong jin's like a smart dude chill yeah you just will focus and meditate for yeah yeah No, that's what I mean. And that's another scene where there's no dialogue. It's just the music and the audio design.

The music, we haven't talked about some of the best Star Wars soundtrack. It's one of the best. It is one of the best. I would go as far to say is it's the sound of Star Wars. Anyone will know that sound because it's so much more relevant than the original. Especially if you played Lego Star Wars. Yeah, that's what really grinds it into my head. Phantom Manus.

And the Battlefront, Battlefield Front, too, specifically. Yeah. The original. But the music does some heavy lifting in this movie. Like for scenes that you would normally just not give a shit about it at all. Yeah. Like when that shit kicks in.

And just the entire end scene would be so much worth without the music. Because that's when it really starts popping off. Without that music, it's... There's this great... moment in the Lord of the Rings behind the scenes like making of thing where they're talking about Howard Shaw's music and they were like

talking about when they were first hearing music from him and they were like so pleased because from their perspective his music is literally 50% of the movie so thinking about it with these like big bombastic movies like this yeah the score with these like action scenes and all this stuff this visual stuff you're showing the scores are

really important and it does such a good job in all the Star Wars movies yeah of doing that but that's like a given it's like almost not fair you know they just made John Williams score the jar cast and you got an Oscar winning fucking flit right there I guess the final kind of thing of note we haven't covered is the Jedi Council how do we feel about that nice window and yaddle it's it's it's bizarre it's really bizarre because it It's just like there's loads of un... Characters we know nothing about and they just look wacky as shit

and you just notice them. Yeah, and like two of them speak ever. Yeah, three. But then it's just like, because of Tupac possibly being Mesa, it's just like every scene I just imagine it of Tupac and it becomes fucking hilarious. I just can't.

Yeah. It's so funny. It would have made... No, I'm just straight up say, if it was Tupac, the movie would probably be a 7-8. Straight up. yeah I can't decide how there's a short of the end where they're kind of going over all the Jedi and going down to Yoda but in the middle there's just a bunch of like random fucking Jedi you've

never seen yeah it's it's the it's the worst crime that this movie could have possibly committed and so this movie goes back and shows you like what the Jedi used to be like and they made it so fucking boring and lame it's so boring and lame yeah I would just say just because Jedi's are shit because of the prequels and this movie like then they're supposed to be elite but they're like the most fucking useless

shitty group yeah and it's sort of something that I just don't like about the prequels at all and that's the the Jedi don't seem like this sort of peace loving religion like the great morals of

the originals and I already know what the prequel fans of thinking because I've heard the argument many times. Right. From George's perspective, he was writing the Jedi Council to be too big for his britches, to be

at a point where they are full of hubris. Yeah, the trouble with that is that you're sort of making Yoda out to be an inept idiot. Yeah. Like, I don't think he should have been in charge. I think he should have been some

like elder, elder that people don't really listen to, but he's the sort of smartest guy in the room. The old school, like, oh, yeah, like, he doesn't agree with the way the Jedi's run now. Yeah, that would make, that would keep his integrity for the... Yeah, I think the problem is just the, the storytelling, basically, and how they just don't really capture the, the emotions or mood or thoughts and feelings of characters very well. Like, you don't really understand what Mace Windu and that are. thinking beyond the obvious shit they're saying yeah you know because they've got to make Yoda into this like beast well he's he's really anti the whole thing and it's just like a

really hollow point of conflict you know yeah just kind of like bickering and it's like this doesn't feel right like just the way these characters are interacting doesn't feel like something I'd imagine these characters doing just sinking this is just point nothing to do but They used the idea that, like, um, Yoda is like the old, the old wise one they don't listen to. If the other council accepted Anakin as to train him, and then Yoda disagreed, obviously, that would make sense to why he's like in the fucking jungles in the original. Because he's separated from the group because Anakin went wrong, because he disagreed and they never listened in the first place. Yeah.

Like, you could tie it all together. yeah that would make more sense if I if this was gonna say something completely different the most my most loved thing in the world and this was the thing that followed it and was like the beginning I would never watch any of it ever again

because they wouldn't a lot of people feel that way and still do to this day yeah but we just have a unique experience because these were the new Star Wars movies when we were kids so we were of course we were gonna see him so yeah because this was really our introduction to Star Wars these three movies

and terribly enough mine was attack of the clones that's it as a kid I watched the shitty assassination plot and I was just like

I'd rather go play cod and I did somehow he managed to get a cod reference in a fucking hell but I've got a question is okay

is this better than a new trilogy That's... What do you mean? Do I think the prequels are better than the sequels? Yes. As a trilogy? Yes.

Yeah, I prefer the prequel trilogy. I think they're more interesting. You know? I agree. From having seen the majority but the last, but knowing all about the last of the sequels, it's far too serious for its own good, But it's actually kind of cringy

Is it a whole thing Yeah, yeah, yeah Which countless people have covered You know But... Beagles be good as fuck And I really like them Final thoughts

I do think it is as bad as they say And it does deserve the reputation it has But that doesn't stop me from Loving it all the same I think no, no I'd say the The terrible reputation it has is reasons for everyone to go watch it

because it's that fun to watch and it's so shit. The bad reputation makes it better. We are past the point of acceptance, though, is the thing. We've gone through the whole cycle. Yeah. We're cool with it now, you know? Yeah, it's like finding inner peace.

I mean, you could say this movie is a masterpiece for that. It's taught a generation of people about disappointment, about moving on. And acceptance. About acceptance. This is just what it is. And,

you might hate it but and that's okay and even if you don't just make fun of it and you know what that's going to become the new thing yeah have fun with it yeah there's the entertainment yeah it's uh we come at this from a lighthearted approach you know

the sequels in 10 years will not be remembered these still will and that's more important than anything beautiful which is fucking beautiful Mr. Wanawanga!