JAR Media Posdact - Is The Boys as GOOD as They Say? (Season 2) Audio Review

Episode Date: October 20, 2020

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Good afternoon, morning, evening or night, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to an as good as they say's. Today I'm joined by my Justice League companion, Jarlander. I'm here and my God, do I love tip milk. Yep, classic Jarlander. And I guess I'm... What am I? Um, Jarnois?

Jarnois. And I'm Jarnois. Hello. If you hadn't guessed by reading the title of the video or our awesome outfits today, we're talking about the boys. Is the boys season two as good as they say? Looking at the tomato meter. Yeah, let's start there with the consensus.

Yeah. Before we go into our own opinions. It's got an 8.7 on IMDB from a, 195,000 users. It's quite a few, quite high. But I've always found on IMDB, the TV rating thing is just less reliable in general. Yeah, it's always like a couple points higher. Mm, mm.

And as you said, 97% on Rotten Tomatoes from 92 critics and a 79% audience score from only a thousand, but slightly lower there. Because these three scores are relatively different, because 97's really high. extremely high I can't really remember there was a lot of buzz around the first season yeah

but I'm not sure if it was as critically well received as this season was no this season seems to have really well the first season blew up this season

it's just the right story at the right time yeah but this time around it's all over social media people talking about it the second and episode drops

well because they changed the way they released the show now didn't they yeah yeah first season's kind of a blur for me I just watched it in one burst.

Yeah, me too. So I can't even distinguish episodes, whereas this time I was kind of anxiously waiting for each new release, so. Yeah, I was late to the game to the first season. But yeah, like you, I was awaiting every drop of an episode. We normally say, though, at the start of these, is it as good as they say?

Yeah, I think it's an easy yes. I think it's exactly what is needed in this kind of CPP. genre renaissance thing we're seeing a bit of you know a commentary that knocks it down a peg yeah like we everyone's been saying for a long time like we've had enough of superheroes you know we've done it to death yeah and it reminds me of like um like in the western genre with uh good and bad and the ugly yeah yeah the way that film kind of condense the genre into a more kind of satirical more the characters had a bit more like greyness to them, a bit more depth.

Yeah, for sure. It feels a bit more like that kind of slant for the genre. But yeah, I'd agree. It is as good as they say. Yeah, I really enjoyed this season. I remember first seeing like trailers for the boys

and thinking, rolling my eyes. I'm thinking like, oh, another one of these. Because the typical thing, like what everyone was saying about Deadpool, there you go, I managed to bring it up was actually an apt comparison because they're attempting fairly similar things in some ways very similar things in my opinion because they're trying to critique a genre basically but whereas this this show takes everything you know about the tropes of the superhero genre and actually

flips it on his head whereas Deadpool doesn't the Deadpool's not really interested in in characters so much as just just the punchlines yeah it's all about the punchlines whereas here they're more interested in actually fleshing out characters and having a plot also the boys is actually funny mm-hmm the the humor especially i thought in season two was much better than season one no i remember being a lot more mixed on the kind of edginess it seems to have settled into its tone a lot better it knows kind of exactly what it's going for and i was finding myself laughing out loud pretty regularly yeah mostly thanks to butcher and the deep which we'll get into a more depth shortly.

But I think we've got to start with what I think is personally the best thing about the show, which is Homelander. Yeah, I agree. I think, you. Jarlander. Yeah, Jarlander. He's such an interesting character because he is just a complete psycho. But you also kind of understand where it all comes from. He's a very interesting character, just the depths he'll go to.

And he is just like an absolute... He's got no empathy. really he's yeah he's a total psycho and I like the way they are we spoiling this like just from the get-go oh yeah I guess there's no point talking about it without spoilers so be warned

spoiler warning watch it because it's good but yeah spoiler talk they go into his past and why he is such a psycho because how much do you get in the first season you kind of you find out about compound V and how that kind of creates superheroes

do you find out he's made in a lab and season one yeah he he goes and like confronts the doctor guy that's right yeah yeah so what i'd like about season two is how it's very similar to season one a lot of ways like in the production of it all and the performance is all really good and everything all of that's there but what's happening is they're just building on the characters and the story and it is ramping up and we're learning things about the world and the world building and the backstory of everything and it's fleshing out in a way that's really expanding it and like an interesting way at the same time while mocking all these tropes and like yeah it makes it way more of its own thing

because he's so obviously just Superman what if Superman was evil yeah which is like the trope as hell well there was that movie that was released yeah god I can't remember his name it was so generic but they kind of cover that sort of story the nugget of the good idea of that where it's like what if Superman went wrong and it's also like woven into this vehement like anti-American capitalism critique that the whole show is kind of built around homelander being like the ultimate love child of that system and and it being a way to critique that yeah and the way they tie that into nazism because like the perfect American and the perfect Nazi of oddly similar Well, yeah, should we talk about that, Homelander and Stormfront specifically?

Because Homelander, he's almost the main character. He has so much stuff happening around him. Yeah. But one of the major new characters was this one, Stormfront, who turns out to be a literal Nazi. And how did that reveal play to you when you... I thought it was actually perfect. Yeah, that makes so much sense.

Because the way they did the season, they dropped the first three episodes. and then did weekly releases. I watched those first three episodes in a row, expecting to watch basically the whole season. Yeah, yeah, I was the same. And I was like, I really, really don't like this character. I wasn't digging her,

because she was reminding me of a Deadpool character. Yeah. She seemed really like it seemed like they were setting her up to almost be like a good guy or something in ways of the first. Yeah, totally, because they have Starlight. They have Starlight. she's like oh i love what you're doing i love everything you're saying and she's one of the protagonists like you're rooting for her so they sort of use that trope that we've complained about

with marvel movies where they have a character you already like say to another superhero yeah like you true so then you you're you sort of think you're meant to like this person but then it turns out your first feelings are totally correct she's a terrible terrible person Mm-hmm. Yeah. And, yeah, it doesn't take long for her to show her true colors and her true nastiness. I don't know. The boys has never really been that subtle to me. Oh, no. But that's, it almost has to be as overt as it is to even work. Like, yeah. A character like Homeland is so absurd.

You need a kind of absurd universe with the giant whales and the guts. And it is mocking something inherently silly with the Avengers and just. League so yeah it can't not be goofy yeah and I think it rides the line a lot better than the comics the comics really doubles down on the the comedic side I think a lot more there are some great punchlines in the season but it's it it seems to value the kind of emotional connection to the characters a bit more right the relationships between like hughy and annie and butcher and whatnot they just have more kind of

they do have more emotion to them and it's not just about punch lines a lot of the time there is like an emotional heart to the show yeah definitely but also the way the show uses humour you'll be laughing at some goofy shit one second and then the next is like well there are episodes that are fairly heavy actually

and they rely on the character to the deep to kind of always have some level of comedy in there that's his I'd say that's his major purpose in this season is just to be some comic relief but it's very effective in saying that in his introduction to the show in the first season you hate him and what he does is disgusting and not funny yeah like that wasn't a funny scene at all but they're kind of reveling in how pathetic that character is and it's all about making fun of him and how just look at how there's just nothing redeeming

about this guy every time you feel a little bit sorry for him you think He put himself in this situation. He was a twat constantly. So he just gets what he deserves. Things are on the deep. We might as well talk about his kind of arc, which is like mocking Tom Cruise's journey into Scientology and that whole thing.

How did you find that angle? Because I was pleasantly surprised by that. I think it really fits in line with the commentary they've been going through. There's so much social commentary in the show from, you know, or the weird, rapy, me-to stuff and the, the Nazi political kind of stuff with the... Yeah, totally. You know, like, I totally didn't expect him to go down this line.

Because it, for a long time with him, it was sort of, why is he still in the show? That was, yeah, I was like... I didn't dislike his scenes, but I was asking that question. I get thinking the same. but again though I think there's that fairly good payoff which acts as kind of a tease for the next season with that whole storyline with building up the I can't remember what the kind of leader of the Scientology is called but the equivalent kind of character in this show who like his design he almost looks like the devil yeah he does have a beard and everything it's so comically evil but he gets taken out suddenly and that's kind of a bit of a reveal at the end for the exploding headwoman as another kind of tease for the next season because

I don't know about you but I'm as the show builds and starts to like really get quite interesting and involving I fear how easy it is to lose that momentum all it takes is just for like a little snag a little just a little story choice a little moment to go the wrong way and all of it can I'm crumbling down. I said to you, I feel like they added stormfront to this season. This is before I'd watched the whole show. Yeah. Because they needed a new villain who can kind of be taken out this season so they can

continue to have Homelander in the forefront because I've read about 20 issues of the book before we recorded this just so I could kind of contrast as to what it was like. And Homelander, he's a major character, but he's not nearly in it in the way he is in the show. like a real he's kind of the poster boy for the show he's he's the hook as i said in a lot of ways and i'm a little yeah i'm scared of what they're going to do with him i don't know what happens in the books but i hope it's it's satisfying it is building to a really nice way and the the final shot with homeland i think it's so fucking awesome than jerking off over the city like no that is again no subtlety whatsoever but but it's it makes sense for the headspace of that

character like yeah totally he is just a living nuke he's a living weapon why would someone like that not have an ego that inflated yeah and like he he needs people to love him and there's such like a human weakness for a yeah well but for some for a character that like is Superman everyone's gonna love him he's got the American flag on his back and shit and they're kind of teasing that he's starting to snap a bit They show his, like, visions of him imagining, uh, mowing down hordes of people with laser vision and stuff when they start, you know, booing against him and not supporting him anymore.

Did you believe that was happening? I actually thought during that scene that it's like, oh wow, this is like suddenly escalated. I didn't realize. Yeah, yeah. Because you don't even doubt that he's capable of it. Well, exactly. That's why I thought that scene was so perfect. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because that's kind of a trope that I can get quite annoyed with, and especially in horror movies. they tend to do that where they... It's like a fake, scare, dream sequence

and they wake up type thing. But it's more reflecting the character and his mindset and just the... His go-to in his head is that whenever he's put through any minor bit of stress. If someone confronts him, it's just, I'm going to cut you in my lasers.

Yeah, and they're kind of... With that, him jerking off over the city saying, I can do whatever I want, I can do... He's setting up a pretty, like, terrifying villain. And he is absolutely hard. horrifying because he is effectively unstoppable. Yeah. Did you ever feel sorry for him at all?

No. I think after that plain scene in the first season, it's like, dude, you're just so evil. Maybe feeling sorry for is the wrong way to put it, but like... Empathizing with the circumstance of being this weird test tube creature that's just been raised by... ...and he was made to be a product. to be a product. Well, this is another thing I really like about the show is that his son, by contrast,

is the complete opposite of him. And I think that's largely what the show is about is like nature versus nurture and how... Homelander is this horrible monster because he had no parents, really. He was a product of just this horrible,

like, company making him. Yeah. Whereas his son is the opposite, raised by the mother, and he has empathy, and he tragically takes his mother. mother at in the end. Well, yeah, he's more like the typical Superman, this kid. Yeah, his son. But adding that character into the world where Jarlander exists is like... Yeah. Well, it's fascinating.

And the fact that Homelander wants to sort of be his dad, well, he does straight up want to be there for him. Yeah. But he doesn't like, he doesn't know how to be a dad, because he never had one. No. And he does show... He clearly does care. Yeah, yeah. In his weird, fucked up way and, like, the, his advice and stuff, he doesn't realize he's being an asshole necessarily. And he thinks the advice he's giving is good advice because it's just the way he's always been.

Yeah. But us seeing it, it's like, oh my God, it's so, uh, it's so wrong. Something so wrong about it, especially knowing that the kid's, like, a good little soul with his mother that really cares about. And seeing that, like, ripped away is quite disheartening. Like, I found those scenes with her. Homelander in the Sun. I thought that kid did a really good performance.

Yeah, definitely. Which was like getting me concerned, because when kid characters start coming into these shows, it can often take something away if the performance is bad. But I thought that kid did a good job, actually. Yeah, I really like that dynamic. Every scene with Homelander in basically full in. Yeah, he's never in a bad scene.

Yeah, and his performance, of course, is also... He has some real moments to shine, like, and I think it's in the last episode where he just like murders all of those military men in the cabin and stuff. He hears that they're trying to get his son away from him. Yeah, that was terrifying. Yeah, he's just a psycho.

He's an utter maniac. The last thing with Homelander, really, I guess, is much of this is a bit more. There's his relationship with Queen Mave. Because for ages, I've been like, what is the point of Queen Mave? Like, what's her purpose? And we finally sort of understand. She's morally been torn.

She knows what the seven are doing is, like, awful. Yeah. It's completely morally incomprehensible. And she, instead of, like, fighting back, she'd just, you know, become, like, an alcoholic or whatever and tried to hide, hide away from it. But she kind of is forced to act this season and winds up blackmailing Homelander in a way that, kind of saves the day. If she didn't do that, they would have been fucked. Yeah, she's sort of the hero of the season. But the reason she hadn't done anything like that up until this point is because

Homelander is so scary. Yeah, you do buy it because the like oppressive superior system they're under is so, it's such a, the scope of it is so big. No one person can really take it down unless you are Homelander. Yeah, and they allude to, um, mave and homelander having a relationship in the past and I mean that probably is one of the reasons she's so afraid of him because she's like well there's that really skin-crawling scene where he comes over and kind of resides in her and she's like pretend she's kind of like acting

and going along with it and he really thinks she's like with him so he's like really emoting and it's like oh god he's so he's so unhinged yeah Yeah, and he's terrifying. One complaint I have with Homelander, though, is his sort of... His rules? When it comes to his powers, I remember early on in the first season,

it was like, there is nothing you can do about this guy. Because if you hide from him, he can hear your heart beating. That's right, yeah, yeah. Because they have the whole sequence where they've captured translucent, The Invisible Man. Yeah, yeah.

And they're like, to figure out how to kill him and he like turns up and they're shitting themselves because he's op but there are at times where it's like how are the main characters just getting away from him i can't remember they're in like a sewer or something after the whale bit and homelander is like feet away from hughy and butcher and all that and they just sort of run off well homelander tries to get annie to kill hughy Yeah, that's right. And then Butcher shoots someone.

Yeah, butcher comes in and just saves the day. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. They were just on the verge of doing that a bit too much. But I guess it is just a thing with the character being so powerful. They want to have Homelander in scenes with the main cast because he's just a, he's an interesting character. You want to see those, them clash. You want to see the conflict.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's definitely a minor downside, but a downside. Yeah, I was finding with kind of minor negative type things The odd the old relationship Felt a little bit repetitive to me like the Huey Annie thing after a certain While it starts to feel a bit repetitive with the way they keep seem to be like falling out and getting back together Yeah, it's very rom-comy

Yeah, I'm not the most into that side although I do Really like Huey I don't know why. I find him to be a key element for the sympathy of the show. I really like the way they kind of flesh out how Huey to a butcher is like the canary in the coal mine. He's like the... Yeah. He needs to be...

He keeps him level. Yeah, exactly. And that's a... It makes him very sympathetic because he is kind of the good guy. And when he gets injured, you're like, shit. Yeah, definitely. It's strange because I... have to give 100% credit to

the actor because I think that type of character ordinarily could really piss me off he's got this like earnest nature to him and he's really he's not a pussy but he's not an asshole he's kind of

an average person's entry point into this universe like anyone can relate to him he's the fish out of water like he's whipped from the real world into this craziness type thing. I do feel as though he's definitely getting way less of a spotlight this season, sorry. Yeah, I really thought a certain point.

I thought when he got injured in that scene, I thought they were going to give him powers or something. Oh, really? That's what I thought, I thought they were going that direction. I'm not sure how I'd feel about that, but... Yeah, I think if any of the boys get powers, it would be a bit strange. Yeah, because I just picture like worst-case scenario, like butcher gets powers and then he fights Homelander in like the end of Manor steel type battle. Yeah, don't say that. It makes me worry. And, you know, talking about like actiony things and or negatives, one thing I will say is it is a TV show. The scale is obviously a lot smaller.

The action stuff, the CG stuff is very obviously. like, CG, kind of, I'm not sure how well it's going to age, basically. I mean, already it's aged pretty badly. Yeah, like... In terms of just, like, even the more conventional fight scenes, they look really bad. Well, depends on which one. I like the kind of physicality of them and the way there's a gore,

and it feels like... Yeah. There's lots of... There's inherent tension because, you know, that they're willing to just kill characters, so... Yeah, definitely. But I mean more in terms of, um, Kimiko. when like her fight with black noir um yeah she's got multiple fight scenes with just like goons and shit

yeah that there's a thing where the strength of the show is the writing and the acting and it kind of has to have action because it's like a super hero thing and in the book there's loads of action and stuff but the budget restraints and everything and just for me like they're mocking the super hero genre to such a degree it would be awesome if the action was like also better than the average Marvel movie as well But it's worse So yeah Like no one can say that

The action is better than like a Like a Marvel movie or something That they just It doesn't need it though No this is what I mean like It's just like a little thing Every time there is an action scene It's like

The sad thing is though I saw some behind the scenes stuff Of Kimiko doing the like Fight scene And the shit The stunts she did Awesome Oh really

Really good Maybe they just didn't shoot it really well yeah because they just chop it up and like have it too close it looks lame yeah in saying that though there are there is the old action scene i quite enjoyed the the the whale thing is funny often the the punchline is is what kind of cements it in my memory like you said that fight with black noir and it ending with the fucking uh with the peanut allergy yeah that is hilarious and the whale boat thing like and then the the the set after they'd crashed into the whale they like built the the innards and everything with the whole

practical like guts everywhere that was awesome i love that stuff yeah and hughy's just like sat in the guts yeah it's awesome it really gives of war two moment no it's strange when it comes to effects and sort of the larger bombastic stuff that tends to look better than the smaller scale fight scenes because thinking of whenever homelander like slices someone in half it looks great Mm-hmm. And there's another moment I quite enjoyed it, which the action isn't actually as bad, as we'll probably say, it was in thinking about it. I think I'm actually thinking of fight scenes more from season one in season two. Yeah, no, because I think it was worse in season one in terms of that kind of stuff.

It wasn't as popular. The budget was probably lower. But Stormfront, I remember having a couple of good action scenes. There's the one where she's chasing down Kimiko's brother, and she, like, just crashes through a building. and the camera shows the outside of the building while she's, like, causing the carnage and it, like, goes up to the rooftop and everything. Yeah, and when she... That stuff's cool.

She, like, breaks his hands sideways and then tears his face open or something. Yeah, that is how cool. It looks good, though. The gore and everything is awesome. Like, it's a good way of doing it, because, you know, like, The Walking Dead always got its rep for, like, oh, it's so gory and the stakes are so high type stuff.

That gore thing, seems to just work quite well with this tone specifically because it doesn't always take itself so seriously. But the gore, there's comedy gore like the whale, but there's also like that affecting gore where the villain character is breaking someone's hands off them and it's just so vicious and violent that it does add to the character and make them more frightening.

Yeah, definitely, especially when she's doing that to a character, like we didn't have any attachment to the character she did that to, but we had an attachment to his sister. Yeah, yeah. and well seeing as we're on Kimiko he might as well talk about her and Frenchy and yeah that was something I wasn't that keen on in the first season I was always a bit like what's the point of this where's this going in the first season yeah I found it quite weird um yeah why he suddenly like latches on mm-hmm but again like you say in season two they sort

of French he gets loads of time yeah they they and he gets a he gets his whole kind of a backstory fill-out thing with a... Yeah, yeah. What's his name? Lamp lighter? Mm-hmm. Um, that whole, we'll talk about Lamp lighter in a bit. Iceman plays fireman.

Yeah. Uh, no, I really thought French and Kimiko were, were way more interesting this season. She kind of opens up a bit and... Yeah, yeah, because... Yeah, because... There's the whole arc where she is finally teaching Frenchie how to communicate with her, which is a really satisfying scene. Yeah.

Yeah, it makes me fear for one of them. none of the boys have died yet no that's true they've only like gained people yeah and you know it just it just I just feel I just feel it coming you know

someone's gonna go I hope it's not Frenchy again that actor really does a good job like he's so charismatic at first he's sort of like a dick and then he's got the odd funny line and then he has this whole thing

with Kimiko where he's he's showing like a tenderness and he's honestly such a likable guy yeah and Kimiko too showing a bit of vulnerability yeah again the character that was introduced in season one is like this sort of just crazy murderer just runs around killing people

from our perspective like for no reason but then she gets a full backstory like the human trafficking and stuff it's pretty fuck they don't introduce a character and just leave them ever? Like, they, they have a purpose and they're given backstory. They're given weight to them. They get fleshed out.

Well, like, we just mentioned Lamplighter. I really liked that character in the role he played. Yeah, me too. Because he was played by, as you joked, Iceman from X-Men, with firepowers this time. But he's like an ex-Avenger, basically. Yeah, and he's super bitter about it. And he's, like, really bitter and feels like he, he's owed it and belongs it.

Mm-hmm. But, and he can't get past it and fucking just commit suicide in the... Yeah, as like a fuck you to the, um, I almost said the boys, to the seven. Yeah, yeah. He just burns himself alive in their office. Yeah. Because he gets a whole couple episodes all about his backstory. remember the episode before he killed himself

we were talking and we said like do you think he's going to become one of the boys and we both thought he was just going to be like a major character but and he sort of was like he played a significant role and yeah he had to be there fleshed out

and then he killed himself like it's just how it goes yeah he was he was so important for when they were going through that facility they needed someone with like the access and clearance to get them around otherwise they would have just been screwed

we can briefly talk about mother's milk yeah he's he's just consistently likable to me they haven't done anything crazy with his character yet and I'm not sure if that happens they sort of allude

it's always three or something three sugars he like stirs his tea three times or whatever it's cool neat and gives him a little bit of substance where he he as a character has had

in terms of the boys probably the least amount of time given yeah yeah hopefully he gets more um yeah definitely super charismatic guy i just i just like his um his other gimmick where like he just really cares about his family and like he sort of just really cares about like yeah yeah he's his friends his family yeah he's he's almost like the backbone of the of the boys yeah he's like a really tough dude but he's got a heart of gold yeah yeah he's essential to have around and I thought he was a goner

in that last episode when he's in the car and it and it's sent flying into the air I was surprised how he survived that but yeah after Huey basically had the same thing happen to him and he almost dies yeah they get

launched like probably even further and they're all fine we haven't even mentioned butcher though sure he's like the fan favorite sticking with the boy Carl Urban the boy if you will I liked bitching the first season but I'm

I preferred him in this one really I thought it's quips are funny I liked his um yeah his arc I really thought in that last episode I was like I believe he's gonna kill that kid yeah no that's that's something again like with

the the homelander laser beaming the audience they set up these characters to be like such extremes and then sort of tell you they're going to do something and you just believe it yeah well the butcher had had a really good arc yes it was kind of his arc almost coming to an end in terms of his motivation from season one to then it's it concluding where it's him letting go basically yeah i suppose if if season one is hughy's arc i guess season to his butcher's arc

for the protagonists yeah because in that in that last episode he decides against killing the kid and even with the kid killing his wife unintentionally yeah yeah well I didn't really know what was going to happen there

because he picks up the crowbar as if he's about to go to town but he don't yeah and I guess thinking about reflecting on it now there's no way he could have killed that kid and remained a kind of protagonist goody type character. That was the thing with him this season. Butcher was really being portrayed as not a very good person.

Like he was so dead set on his goals that he will do literally anything. Like he has no morals. Yeah. And he kind of found out how far that could go with the kid thing. And he was like, I guess when it came to me. murdering a child that his own wife gave birth to that he couldn't quite do it. Yeah, it sounds ridiculous to say, but like in the moment, it feels like something he'd do. Yeah, he's the most like anti-hero character.

Yeah, and he's got the quips, he's got the humorous lines and everything. What do you think of his accent? I think I'm just used to it now. but I think with the lines being better too I just wasn't noticing it as much because I was really into the character and his motivations and what he was trying to get done Yeah

And it is totally relatable why he is the way he is Yeah And they introduce his family His mum and his dad That's true yeah With his dad being played by Scarecrow From Batman Arkham Knight

Wait was he scarecrow in that game Yeah I was thinking of the Rings Yeah Lord of the Rings or fringe Oh my is a dad, yeah. Yeah. I love that actor. Yeah, he's got real...

The fuck is the word. Gravy? Gravitus, yeah. I just really liked the dynamic of butcher, his wife, the kid and Homelander. That to me was like, how is that going to resolve itself? Because that's not going to end well. Just that combination of characters. Like, it's such a good, a bit of conflict.

Well, I mean, even just butcher his wife and her son, like, that's enough of a spanner in the works because of how much butcher hates soups. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And that probably is intentional because he's like a fascist. Mm-hmm. Like, no matter who they are, if they have superpowers, they. are terrible to me, like in my eyes. Yeah, and that was another thing,

another dynamic with Annie kind of joining the boys a lot more for the journey and the way he kind of clashed with her and they kind of grew to respect each other by the end type stuff. Yeah, and that probably is a factor to why he changes his mind in the end. Yeah, because she's there.

Yeah, so I guess it is... The kind of meat, I suppose, is butcher arc yeah yeah i just really like how they have all these storylines that make sense that contribute to that the arc so yeah it's all building on itself yeah it's just ridiculously well written and it's definitely the best show on amazon um i think mr robots better personally but oh yeah to be fair i haven't seen enough of that are there any other boys or is that all the boys. That is all the boys, isn't it?

Yeah, that's all the boys? All the boys? All the pit-pop poise? We've got to talk about the deep more then, because it was so fucking funny to me. Like, that whole angle with him, he was, God, he's so pathetic. He's so unlikable, but at the same time, the actor does such a good job, kind of really selling you on just how pathetic he is. But he, he can't see it, he can't read a room properly. He's just such a dick.

head. No, he's, he's like a total narcissist. He, maybe narcissist is giving him like too much credit. He's like so full of himself. We really think he's owed. And he doesn't even like really understand the, the

consequence of his actions and stuff. No. He's, he's just an idiot. He's actually really stupid. Yeah, he's a dumbass. Yeah. Yeah, he's a real dumbass. And they kind of pair him with the A-Train. yeah and the other character yeah it's really smart and with that other character who's mocking like a hawkeye type it's so funny they're like in the AA meeting like all talking about how they used to be like these awesome superheroes but now they're just like nothing and no one cares about them anymore it's just so such a funny idea the way they kind of like politicize the superheroes and make them really grounded in that way where all of the superheroes have their like

PR crew and yeah businessy side so slimy yeah so slimy and like accurate to the way you know the mega corpse and stuff kind of run themselves yeah and I love the way the deep is so controlled by the Scientologists like yeah

just like Tom Cruise when the uh the lead guy brings up the the head of Scientology guy brings up the arrow guy he's like yeah the deep says oh he's my best friend he's such a good guy and he says he's been kicked out of Scientology the deep's just like

oh fuck that dude yeah he's just the bootlicker yeah yeah he doesn't give a shit about anything apart from and there was that running joke about fresca whatever

I didn't really get that yeah I didn't really get it either I assumed it was um it's like an American drink I guess I don't know it's a Coca-Cola it's a grapefruit flavored citrus soft drink created by the Coca-Cola company

but with the deep and uh an a train a train sort of gets introduced to that plot line because he's kicked out of the seven yeah yeah for having heart palpitations or something like his heart is super vulnerable yeah because wasn't he abusing compound v yeah um and on top of that stormfront was like the most important thing for the business of, uh, what is the company called? Vort, yeah. Um, and she was obviously a racist, so she wanted him out of the seven.

And then, yeah. Yeah, so he sort of, he goes into Scientology along with the deep. He kind of, he rejects it more. The deep just minusly accepts it. Yeah, A-Train is shown to be like a smarter person, but still a shithead because, all he cares about is making money for himself. Yeah, he's still a selfish character. He sort of puts the whole climax into motion, A-Train,

because he gives this information that Stormfront is a Nazi. That's right, yeah. And to Huey and Annie, and they reveal it to the public, and then Stormfront is fucked from then, and that's how A-Train gets back into the seven. So he's actually like a... A crucial character. A crucial smart character.

He did that knowing exactly where it would get him. Yeah, that's a good point, actually. I didn't really think about that. Is Stormfront dead then? She's just straight up there. So I wasn't sure if she's going to be like in like a chair, like a crisp in a chair. Yeah, where my mind started going, worryingly was like she will have a return and she'll have like fucking robot limbs and shit. because it sounds like a budget yeah but I do you think do you want her back in the show

I think her purpose is spent I think the surprise of her reveal is is enough and she's so comically evil she's so ridiculously evil being like a literal Nazi and everything yeah the real interest with the villain he comes from homelander to me and the the complex relationships with the seven more than just her because, you know. Yeah, yeah. Her and her relationship with Homelander was interesting too, but... One disappointing thing on that front, on that storm front,

was that I felt as though Kimiko should have got some more comeuppance against Stormfront. Like, she should have played more of a role in her down front. That would be the obvious thing, but... Well, they half do it? Yeah, yeah, they do. Maybe that's kind of what... She does kind of kick her ass, isn't she?

Well, they all do. It's very much like a Mac Quentin Tarantino movie, Death Proof. There's a scene quite like it with all the girls kicking the... Well, there's a... There's, in every single, like, Avengers movie or whatever, well, not every single one, but they've got that money shot of all the girls. Yeah, yeah. And they, it's funny because in Marvel, all the girls are like discount versions of the men.

Yeah. There's, there's woman, iron man, there's woman, ant man, blah, blah, blah. Which is just fucking lazy. Yeah, it's lazy. And then the boys has come in and actually had three fucking great characters. Yeah. Beating the shit out of a Nazi. And in, in this, you're, you're not rolling your eyes because, like, they're forcing this.

Yeah, it's. There's quite a few layers of humour there. Yeah. And it's a really good scene. Mm-hmm. It's funny, yeah. There's loads of, like, punchlines that offer, like, dramatic kind of conclusion, but also the humor and the commentary is. Yeah.

The commentary side of it does add so much value to it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, and you're, like, laughing at that scene, and then two minutes later, a fucking child is laser-beaming his mum in the... Yeah, and it's, like, a really effective scene. Like, I don't really remember. feeling any kind of sadness emotion in the first season particularly no um there's the odd moment but i was connecting way more with the characters in season two the few moments with hughie i really liked um yeah butcher too it just seems to be the more time these characters

are given the more you like them yeah it's like they're becoming less of a caricature of themselves ironically yeah if that makes sense yeah the cartoony superheroness of it all who's left then I guess Gus Fring Yeah Los Poyos Far Cry 6 Do you think he's just Been ridiculously typecast now

Yeah Where he's just the same Kind of character in In all of them Yeah it's It's quite annoying Because I He's a really good actor

No doubt But I don't need to see him in this role It's getting to the point Where it's almost distracting Well, it is because I'd argue it straight up just is distracting Maybe if Breaking Bad Had ended and that was Gus Frings End

Hmm Way back then, whatever But he's in Betical Saul Which is like Playing Gus Yeah Where he's playing Gus Who is the same character

As the character in this show Which is The same character He's not the same character He's the same actor Playing a similar character But I mean It might as well be

If you look at like the morals of these two characters What is the the character traits? What are the differences between these two characters? Well, you know a lot more about Gus Fring than this guy He's just kind of big old Mega Corp guy right There has to be a face to it and he's He's really clever and kind of ahead of the game

And kind of knows how to react to everything He's one of those type I honestly don't find him that interest of a character he's just well he he's he's just a businessman nothing he does is out of

like where the the superheroes do do things out of malice and just to be horrible because they like doing that yeah every choice he makes and I don't think he is that like much of a genius of a character because

they from season one Vort has only like gone downhill you know it's just fuck up after fuck up for them I guess yeah and his his idea to

like make more money is to put a Nazi front and center someone he knows is a Nazi like of course that's gonna blow up in your face yeah I guess he's more there then to kind of cement this you know anti-megacorp like

capitalism to the extreme type message of it. Yeah, because his grand scheme was to get compound V given to loads of people so they could sell it and make loads of money. Which, like, is a good master plan. But...

Yeah. It doesn't work. They did less than I was expecting with the whole soup terrorist thing. Yeah. Yeah, it has its purpose being, like make people scared

and then they don't need to like focus on that aspect anymore yeah do you think it will come back in later seasons more so or something I don't really know how it could because they only existed because Vort was making them

so they could run this whole which is like a commentary on how the West kind of caused the whole conflict with the Middle East and everything yeah totally yeah yeah I'm just left wondering just removing it from the kind of recency bias like man this is like really into this

I'm just wondering how it's going to age because I think that matters because people are already talking about this might be like up there with some of the great shows type thing but I'm just wondering how it is going to age and if that really matters or not even yeah I think

a show being relevant to the time I mean it it happens there must be loads of shows yeah the commenting on current shit whatever yeah the only thing is that it's it does seem really tied

to like right now the boys yeah um it's interesting that because as I said early in this video it does seem like the right place right time kind of story but in saying that like as I said I've been reading some of the issues of the comic

and a lot of those themes are deep rooted within the story proper anyway and it just happens to still be very relevant to this day. But there are changes they made. Oh, huge changes. It feels like I mean, I haven't read any of the comics

so I could be totally wrong, but if it feels, or I'm just interpreting the show wrong. But it feels like season one is, like represents the movie industry. Oh yeah. Yeah, it's completely mocking the superhero trend.

Yeah, yeah. But then season two, it becomes super political and more like it. Well, you're forgetting about the Me Too stuff in season one, too? Well, yeah, that's what I mean. Like, it's focused on the movie industry. Like, that's what it's picking apart in season. Yeah, I'd have to rewatch it, to be honest. And then season two seems to be, like, critiquing politics and the government and shit.

Yeah, and the way it relates to the money. Well, yeah, specifically America, like, all these governors and shit, Their hands are tied. There's nothing they can do to stop. Yeah. Yeah. Super heroes, just being in the military and shit. And I might as well comment actually on the books and the differences between that and the show.

And so I was seeing a lot of discussion saying the show might be better than the book. And I'm starting to see that said more and more. And that really got me interesting. So I'm like, that's not the common story. So I want to see what I want to see what the difference. are. And I think I've gotten far enough where I can quite clearly say that the show is much tighter, much better, much more concise, much less exaggerated and ridiculous. I showed you there's a major section of the story in the comic about this guy who's like addicted to raping

and he's got a like, he's like a parody on like Iron Man and Batman kind of combined. And in the comic he's like, he has to send away his like equivalent of raping. Robin because he's scared he might assault him and everything. And it gets to such a ludicrous point in the comics where there's like a huge meteor like coming down towards Earth and this this rapist

superhero guy like flies up and he fucks the comet and it explodes. Does it explode because he fucks it? Yeah and then it like kills him and everything. It's like it's just a weird like it's just a complete punchline completely ridiculous like just fuck Iron Man fuck Matt Man

Like, it's making fun of those tropes type thing. I don't really see how that is a commentary on... Well, yeah, it's not really a commentary. It's more just saying, like, I guess, like, this is more what a real Batman or Iron Man type person would be like? Because, yeah, fitting in with this, like, anti-capital kind of businessman type thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With those characters being...

They're not even... They don't have superpowers. They've just got the money to be able to afford for people to invent. inventions for them to do that kind of thing but anyway yeah like I don't know how you could possibly have that in the show like the the the the comic is so fucking edgy if you thought the show was edgy like it's nothing compared to that book is it's to the point where you are rolling your eyes and you're like really like did you really have to do that did you have to go that far there's this whole part where they go to like Soviet Russia for like issues and issues and that

to me I like nearly stopped reading around there um Sorry, not Soviet Russia, just Russia. But yeah, I wasn't really digging that as part of it. And, yeah, the characters just aren't nearly as interesting. Homelander isn't in it as much. Like, I just think that the showrunners and who was writing the show must have, they must, they get what is good about the original source material. Yeah, they're cherry-picked the aspects.

They know what parts to expand on and what you want to see more of and what we don't really need in the adaptation. You know, one last thing to shout out this show for is whoever did the casting, like, Jesus Christ, they did a perfect job. Not a single character feels like out of place in any situation. Yeah, no, I think the quality is really good and I just hope they can keep the momentum going. Yeah. I don't look back and be like, shame at peace.

at season two type thing yeah what are your predictions for season three well it's it seems like because this is another thing we didn't really mention is I think the pacing in the show is very good the story moves really quick it does yeah um as there are some repetitive aspects to it with some of the relationships but the the actual overall plot and the way things are revealed and how quickly things happen and the way they're moving around and it does move really quick and that's really satisfying about it. Yeah. So hopefully that helps to kind of keep things concise and flow really well.

But as far as the next season's concerned, it really seems like they're building up Homelander to snap to me. But I don't know how you can tell a story around that without other aspects. Clearly, this woman who can explode heads is going to be a big deal because that's, she's kind of ingrained in the politics of it. Yeah. Yeah, and she's strangely anti-vort. Really, we should just talk about the ending of the show, first of all,

because they sort of revert a lot of stuff, like undo certain things that have happened. Like, why can't I remember her name? Starlight. Yeah, is her name Starlight? Starlight was, yeah, Annie was kicked out of the seven this season. And then she's brought back the boys. like

they stop being the boys yeah the end of the season feels quite final in weird ways and yeah but also not which I really appreciate because I get super tired of every single season

of a TV show being like getting you super hyped up for the next one and then it's like six months it feels like the end of like a comic arc yeah the story's come to an end but there's still a lot more story to come

like the smaller arc has come to a close and there's now a new one it's beginning. Yeah, and something I'd forgotten about, actually. Do you remember they go to see the boys go to see the CIA woman from season one? She's in it loads. Yeah, yeah. And then her head explodes. Yeah.

Why would that character explode that woman's head? Surely that's what the next season will be about, even know her motivations, really? I suppose, yeah. Yeah, they've definitely left a few breadcrumbs for us to to sniff on and follow if you catch my drift. No, I was, after they were coming out weekly, I was like, I was enjoying my boys' fix every week. Yeah. And I'm sad to see it go for now. Yeah, me too.

Yeah, I really liked it. It's like, it's what the superhero genre needs at the moment. I don't think Deadpool is needed in the same way It's popular and people like him But it's not the it's not the genre defining Like commentary that Really is going to be remembered for me Whereas this

I think of all the superhero bullshits from the last 20 years And I'm like Yeah this does a good job of kind of mocking it Effectively But the thing is it's also Good enough of just the show it doesn't lean on the fact

that it's like the characters are rip-offs of the Justice League without a doubt yeah but they just have they have human issues that tend not to be included in them

you know your typical Captain America's and stuff they're more broad whereas the boys is all about sex and drugs and you know addiction and all this and you know power corrupt and all this kind of stuff in ways with the gore and everything that

it just adds a fresh kind of coat of paint on it yeah I'm hype for more of this I just hope it stays as good as it is right now yeah I mean

they're two for two at the moment yeah do you have any final thoughts um jarlanders coming for you listen here Jarland is coming for you and you're going to regret ever being around when he arrives

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