JAR Media Posdact - NO, I'M ALEXX - Brocast #12
Episode Date: June 24, 2024https://www.patreon.com/jarmedia Find us on Spotify and iTunes under: "Jar Media Posdact" Find the original episodes under: "The JARChive" Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/jar-media-store Twitter:... https://twitter.com/FourFunnies Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 05:19 Everyone is MAD at the Acolyte 09:11 Housekeeping 31:06 No, I'M Alexx 40:45 Mid Break 42:57 Questions: Thoughts on Ricky Gervais 48:57 Bad Online Trends 54:46 Good Member Berries 1:07:53 Ship of Theseus (SOMA Spoilers)
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Poo and we and poo and stingoo.
Did you?
Was it a bit shit?
It was...
We were having a conversation about it or something
and I was like, I think it's calling to me.
Mm-hmm.
I think it was that day after we recorded.
Did it like it?
Yeah.
It's probably my favourite experience with the movie.
with the movie, to be honest
like with all of it
like first time watching was subs
with the context of Furiosa
just knowing what to expect
from it
like I needed to pause it at a certain point
to go to the toilet or something
and looked at the time code
it was like
it feels like 15 minutes but it's like
past an hour
that's how you know
yeah
that movie don't waste no time
there's only one thing I criticize about it
now
TBH
the one point
I don't love
is the
the nighttime scene
I think what happens is cool
I love when he goes off
and you don't actually see
what he's doing
yeah yeah
that's the best bit of that section
do you mean the way it looks
something about how it looks
because I shot it in broad daylight
um
Where there's nothing like that in Furiosa, there's not like a whole setting where the, that's even a question in my mind.
Like, every single location, like, hits for me as important as it is to that movie to have that swamp setting or whatever.
Yeah, it's probably like the least interesting bit.
I get why it's there as well.
I kind of like the way it looks there.
You know, it's like...
I'm torn because, yeah, there is something cool and stylish about it, but it also does obscure things in a way.
I don't know, I'm just thinking about it, whereas in other scenes I'm just like there, you know?
Right, yeah.
Whereas I'm not thinking about it in the same way.
Windmill, windmill father.
Did your spirit animal is a fucking little bird, one of those birds.
Tweedy bird.
A tit.
A breed of tit.
One of them lashes blue tics.
A booby bird.
What was that with the people naming birds?
Call that one a fucking tit from.
You're telling me you wouldn't call a bird a booby bird if you had the chance.
I'd call it like the cock and bulls bird.
Yeah.
Something with a bit more grit.
A little bit of grunt.
Just to make it really awkward in a little.
when you were teaching biology in primary school.
So the kids would go,
this is the slit flyer.
Yeah.
This is the clitter-erd.
We dug up a clitorisaurus for you.
Wouldn't that be awesome, though?
To have something that's significant named after you.
Because I was thinking about this sort of like, you know,
Isaac Newton, Nicholas Tesla.
Imagine...
A dino?
Or a dino or...
Something like this.
A discovery.
To have something significant named after you.
A star.
A...
Something like this.
Well, you gotta do something.
Oh, I know.
To get that.
I know, I know.
But I'm just saying...
It's almost like the ultimate...
Like clout, the ultimate...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
High score.
Like Pythagoras out there, like...
Rolling in clout.
Because for those...
A lot of humans are like...
It's one of their driving forces in their life is like legacy.
Yeah, to live beyond.
To go beyond.
And what better way to go beyond than to dig up a clitorisaurus?
That's not your name, though.
Could be.
I guess.
If you discovered something, would you change your name?
I'd change it to clitosaurus in order to put delay on the name.
You discover like a star.
Yeah.
This is Clotitit...
Constellation Clitosaurus
Cletitius
Constellation Cletitius
Clitius
That kind of fist, isn't it?
I mean
Stranger Things
I'll tell you a stranger thing
It's the 12th episode of
The Brocast
A um
JAR Media
Side Story
Adjad Media
Spinoff? What do they call
What do they call it? A...
What's Furios or a Mad Max?
Solo saga. A...
Saga? What do they actually call it in that one?
I can't remember.
Because what's the one that started it? Wasn't it? Like solo?
Rogue 1. A Star Wars story.
That's the kind of first time I remember seeing that kind of phrasing.
Acolyte. A Star Wars shit stain.
I can't believe you said that.
This is too perfect.
Just hold on.
Without this groundhog otter thing, was there a gopher tracker in the High Republic that the Jedi stopped using during the prequel trilogy that I'm not aware of?
What? Gofer?
What's that from?
Wait, you want to hear it again?
Yeah, let me double check that.
That's fact.
Years away.
way without this groundhog otter thing was there a gopher tracker in the high
republic that the Jedi stopped using during the prequel trilogy that I'm not aware
of how many times I haven't seen an episode of the Acolyte I just now and again
in my recommended Star Wars theory gets like in there I guess when he has a
controversial video and everyone is super upset about the Acolyte constantly
yeah and there was something to do with Ki Adamundi that that caught my eye
People are, they were upset about...
Is he the frog one?
No, Kiara Mundi's the big head.
Oh, yeah.
But the law is like, he's the one, the one race of Jedi that's allowed to procreate
because they're, they're going extinct.
So he's the one exception there.
Is he like a bachelor, like?
Yeah, he's got like a harrow.
A lot of baby movies.
Yeah, straight up, like...
Drake of the Star Wars, you know.
Yeah, so Ki Adamundi was floating around and I'm like,
okay, I've got to find out at least.
Yeah.
Why people are upset?
about this one and people are like making these four-hour-long videos like
he had a mundi he has that line in phantom menace where he says a sith hasn't been seen in a thousand years but the acolyte is not even set a thousand years ago and here he is
and my whole thing is like yeah you can get mad about that but like really like you've been clinging on and it's like the acolyte that breaks you
yeah i mean to to ride along for the prequels and be or just everything everything everything yeah
to do with that franchise and it's like here is that that was the straw man
like I think I kind of like uh what was that all the Disney plus like original shows
just blend into this one gooey Disney thing in my brain the the Nick Fury TV show that
came out remember that yeah um and I watched that like parts of it in a semi haze of like
before I'm going to sleep like I fall asleep mid episode on an iPad I did
that with the first episode of the acolyte so i'm not going to say i've seen it um but i've seen
smears of it you know there's like a smeary acolyte in my in my mind's eye um epic no in fact i was
so distracted because the you know the squid game guy's in it oh yeah um i read a fact that like
he he kind of learned how to speak english or at least mimic english for that role because he's such a
big star wars dude or whatever but knowing that he doesn't actually fully he's not able to
fully speak english but he's like kind of learned these specific lines with that information it was
making it like i can't not hear that now um yeah but anyway i really i don't particularly care
and so they only got him because of squid game squiggin i guess um the matrix ladies in there
Julian Moss
That name
Um
You know
Matrix lady
She's Aria
And Aspect
Um
She is isn't she
Yeah
She's in there
Briefly
Um
Cool
Yeah
You sold the show to me
Yeah
I'd recommend
Having a smeary dream
About
It
Yeah
Um
Before we get too deep into the show
Let me shout out
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Um...
Can you edit lightning coming out of my fingers?
Poutity.
Yeah, that's guy.
Can you do that?
Um...
Um, I'm more of a Jedi myself.
Oh, okay.
I don't stoop to those sorts of tracts.
It's blasphemous.
Are we forgetting any housekeeping business?
I don't think so.
Outside of going to the housekeeping segment, of course,
where we clean up the conversations from that previous week.
Yeah.
Um, I'm just going to start with this one,
which does involve me just playing you another out-of-context thing that will
become in context.
Oh my God, my own voice.
right just listen to this okay
emily 6334
has this to say
can Alex try to briefly act
as crackhead era Alex
can he still channel the energy
hey I'm Darren
I'm Justin and I'm Chad
and we're from the geek game
so are they
are they doing this on purpose
they know like when to insert
that is what I was saying before
there must be some algorithm or thing that can like scan for like when there's a natural break or pause to insert it
because people like it's building conspiracy theories people think i'm doing it on purpose
can you blame them kind of because it's like why would i go back to that random episode and like
insert that there you know why would i do that i don't know but that's what that's what makes it so
good well yeah i mean these guys are these guys are game the geek cave is um
I think we can endorse the the geek cave with our full pussies
I definitely get my pussy out for the geek cave
yeah I donate my pussy to the geek cave
well
yeah we have been saying about 2016 coming back and it really feels late
yeah man
well speaking of the geek cave
it's time to devolve
N4 Hodge 1 says you didn't get the entire point
with the Geek Cave advert.
It's not just that the ad was played
at the Osama part of the episode,
the ad was repeated constantly on JAR Spotify.
I've had to listen to it at least 12 times,
which is both hilarious and excruciating
because it's probably over a minute long.
Okay, that's a problem.
I retract my pussy from the geek cave.
No, they're good.
Just you can know in your heart
that it supports us,
and if it really bugs you that much,
there's a ad-free version on the Patreon
I've started putting up there
so you're an option
but yeah
I don't know why it has to just be that one ad
on every episode
it would be nice if there was maybe another one
two would be good
yeah saying that ads on anything are
I mean my
issue at the moment is Amazon Prime
like
yeah
I've been re-watching the boys
and back when I originally watched it
you just watch it
you know it would do that thing at the beginning of an
episode that's like a skipable ad
for stuff that's on Prime
but now it's like fucking moisturizers and stuff
and like I may need moisturiser
I'm a bit sunburned
it's the principle it's yeah
I already I already have a
moisturising brand that I
prefer so
they've gone like full circle with me where it's like
Amazon Prime was just like this bonus thing
that like well
I like buy packages, like I didn't buy this for this service, and now it's like, well, you're kind of ruining the service that was just a bonus, and you kind of make me just want to get this in other ways.
Yeah, because you're pushing me away for the same reason that Sky TV pushed me away.
That's exactly it.
I think they're going to end up screwing themselves.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe spend less money.
who uh amazon amazon and netflix and no that's too hard but do you know what i mean like
like i like the boys and stuff and i i appreciate the the production value and rings of power
and rings of power but like do do you absolutely need to be spending the amount of money on it
that you are like to get it made you mean oh right well yeah i agree stuff like oh yeah i completely
agree with this. Make good TV, but maybe just make smaller scale things, maybe...
Just out of control budgets, yeah, like speaking of the acolyte, I think it's nearly $200 million
budget for that. Um, yeah, how does that make sense? Then we're getting, like, if, if you made,
I feel like, uh, like Mr. Robot, right? I feel like for the most part, that wouldn't have been
too expensive. This cleverly made, cleverly shot, like, a lot of scenes are just like in random
MISC offices, which would not be expensive
set up. But the show
is gripping and really good
throughout. You know, it doesn't need
this crazy budget. I'm sure
most of the budget went on the actors
for that show. Yeah.
Well, they kind of, they cornered themselves.
It's like,
these two things you've built this whole platform on
this like Marvel Star Wars slop.
Yeah. These are two of the
most expensive, like, types of media
to make, the big sci-fi
space opera and the superhero.
big scale action like all these things require so much pre-production and special effects
yeah yeah so of course they're going to be insanely expensive and then they like outsourced
all these different animation farms all the like are they we end up suffering because
the priority isn't on making something good no it's on throwing enough money at something
thinking that makes something good
and they're working at such a scale
and the budgets are so obscene
that it's almost like
it's inflated to such a degree
where it's built into the process now
where it's like
oh well Spider-Man I guess is in this movie
we'll shoot the whole film with him
in like a green suit
and we're still designing the suit
while the movie's like being made
and we might have
the
visual effects team put together
a shot with this suit
but then a month later
so they decide actually we need to change the suit so it looks a little bit different
so they send it back and then that's another like round of renders and it's like it gets expensive
really quick and we all suffer we all suffer um um monkey dude nine five two so i've been to the harry
potter studio in london before and there's a part of it near the end where they sell butter beer
it tells it tastes like melted worth as originals and is one of the worst things i've ever put in my
mouth. Yeah, it sounds terrible. Yeah. But do you be you? Did I ever sound like alluring to you
butter beer? No, you didn't even remember what it was when I brought it up. Is it a thing in
Harry Potter? Yeah, yeah. It's like, well, they're always drinking. Um, I guess. Is it alcohol,
is it an alcoholic beverage? I think it's more like, you know, the chocolate frogs where it's
supposed to appeal to children type thing. Right. Well, if you want something to appeal to children,
don't call it bit. Well, yeah, it's like British though as well, so it has to have a pubby sort of thing.
Butter ale. I'm surprised they didn't.
actually adopted that in like pubs where it's like
let's groom the kids into drinking
nice and young, you know, like with the cigarette
things, with the candy cigarettes, all that.
Oh yeah.
Dobby's just really been on my mind.
You know?
Speaking of Harry Potter.
And speaking of, I guess, we mentioned
one of the actors from Harry Potter being in trouble
for something and kicked off the movies.
Oh, yeah.
And we both had the story a little bit wrong.
Painted Rhino 4381 says
Crabb from Harry Potter wasn't in the later ones
not for selling drugs but for being a terrorist.
Now there's more details to that
because I was like, well, I'm going to need to find out what you mean by that.
Yeah, well, how does that mean?
And it was a bit of a flash in the past like,
oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten about that
because he was involved in the London riots that happened in like 2011.
which I was only fairly young for
it was like a big
almost like George Floyd level
thing that went down in London and all these riots
and he was a part of it
and got two years in jail
wow
what did he did he had a stolen bottle of champagne
or something
and he had a Molotov cocktail
I think in a way
You sure it wasn't a spell?
Molotovius coctelius.
Seeing as we're on this kind of similar note again, old Mandy Abita says,
imagine living your best life as a raven, and then you get drafted into the military.
And the whole raven thing must have annoyed this person, John Romerz.
England is such a joke of a country.
Raven soldiers and ravens being dismissed, full stop.
Dude, where's this guy from?
Um...
Box him.
Live on air.
Yeah?
Right now.
Give me his IP address.
Um, we just have his, his home address, which is...
Homer.
Is he in Springfield?
43, uh, Springfield Drive.
Um...
What, is, does Homer's house have like a...
Number?
Do they have like a lane like this?
You know?
Yeah, I'm sure they do.
What's the Breaking Bad one?
Something of Roy O' Lane.
Oh, I can't remember.
That's too niche for me.
No, it was like the meme for a while, so everyone knew it.
Oh, right.
If I knew, I'd definitely put my finger up in the air and say it with confidence there.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Excuse me, I think you'll find.
the street name is.
But all countries have cringy cultures.
Well, you're going back to the raven defence?
Yeah.
I would say this is one of the things I will stand firm on with the UK and Britain.
Is the Raven Law?
This is the coolest thing I've ever heard and I'll stand by this.
Okay, here's a question then.
Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that in this election,
every party is voting to abolish the Ravens.
because they cost too much money.
Well, then I'll start my own party, a raven party.
Apart from, reform.
Would you vote reform?
Raven form?
Raven form.
No, I'd start up at my own party.
An independent raven party.
Yeah, yeah.
Every debate you're on you, I have like a raven on your arm.
You could call it the raving party.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There is a party, isn't it?
The something raving loony.
Raving monster loony party.
There's always one.
there's always three
chemical problem
that's a good name
it's very surprising
that Jamie was not interested
in Metal Gear Solid 3
Delta remake when talking about
the Xbox showcase
I don't watch it
Is it the Kajima's not involved
Are you guys not interested in remakes of old classics
Personally I think it looks interesting
But if it sucks
We will have the old one to go back to
Also not being in the Fox engine
sucks
Yeah I mean I'm sure it will be cool
Do you trust Konami?
I don't trust Konami
but I mean saying that they made every metal go solid game but he was there though
yeah um but like he's the reason metal go solid five didn't get finished you know
like kajima had his own problems yeah yeah I'm sure he he like went over budget on
every game and like he just didn't want to make them but he was like forced to just keep
making them. Yeah. He was like training up a
replacement metal gear maker at some point and then
let that guy make one game and then he was like, nah, I'm doing it.
You suck. Yeah. Um, I'm sure it wasn't quite like that, but
yeah, um, I've, I've not really seen anything
like gameplay wise from it. Um, the only thing I've seen is they've taken away the
piss filter, which is unfortunate.
They took away the piss filter
Yeah, it doesn't really look pissy anymore
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah
That was kind of the point
Yeah, it needed to look pissy
That was like the style
Yeah
Okay
Um
That's the thing that's getting more and more
Obvious
The more games that are remade
Where they're like
They're just so obsessed with like
Fidelity and making sure
You can see all the pores
On the skin and stuff
And it's like
But what about like
What the original atmosphere
Or mood was
Yeah
The style
Yeah
Yeah, because they did it with Halo 1.
Looks like they're doing it with that.
Yeah, I mean, Halo 1 is a special case.
That remaster is awful.
It's not right, yeah.
Just changing, like, the time of day, changing the mood, changing the location.
Yeah, it's very weird.
Yeah, and like the color, the kind of choice is just embarrassing.
No, but like, it does look cool and it looks pretty faithful.
I was the one I was most interesting.
coming out, I don't know, I, I haven't been that hyped for a game, like, including
Eldon Ring and stuff since Red Dead 2.
Yeah, pretty much.
I honestly think that the death of E3 has kind of ruined it, too.
Yeah.
I liked that as like a packaging for like, that's all just kind of convene.
Yeah, I knew what this stuff was happening.
Yeah, you can make a little event out of it, like watch it with your friends or whatever.
Yeah, and you didn't miss it.
same way. And that's just like, oh, randomly I'm going to drop this YouTube video that you
might or might not see. Yeah. And with like the YouTube algorithm. Yeah. It's more likely
just going to show me, um, like Christian, uh, propaganda. Um, two more here. If we go
into a topic I want to mention. Um, Tambet Amisto 7423 says, quoting a time.
What? You're excited for Doom?
I've recently been listening to the old
episodes of the cast and you both always
held very strong opinions. You
dislike the new Doom games
so I'm wondering what caused y'all's
opinion to change.
I was really hoping you'd remember
something because I don't really remember shit talking
Doom. I did. Um, going way back
Doom 1.
Yeah. The first remake.
I said like I've tried to play it
three times and it just got really boring.
Oh, that is bringing it back.
Was I with you on that?
Yeah, definitely.
Oh, opinion-wise, I don't know.
Opinion-wise, yeah, yeah.
I think you were, like, impartial.
You weren't, like, passionate either way about it.
I definitely played the whole game.
I finished that game.
The first one?
Yeah, and the second one.
Yeah, because, like, going back to then,
I would have been talking about Doom 1 before Eternal had come out.
Because when I played Eternal, it was like, oh.
Eternal's, like, fantastic.
Eternal's way better.
Uh-huh.
Like the systems all work together
Yeah, it's really mechanically rich
Yeah
Yeah, I love like the
The lock and key
Yeah
The like triangle thing
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah the second one's really good
So if they make another game
In that vein
Hell yeah
Yeah because I was big
Unlike the Bethesda side
I was more into like machine games
And like Doom and those shooters
Than like the actual Bethesda games themselves
Yeah I was big into
I was big into
I personally preferred Wolfenstein just because of, like, the plot stuff.
Yeah, yeah.
How mad is.
Gameplay-wise, Doom Eternal's hard to be.
Yeah.
And they're kind of always talking about Halo, but, like, those games, those Doom remakes, really show me that, like, oh, you can still be the thing, even if the thing's old.
Yeah.
You can't.
You just got to actually, like, have an idea.
Uh-huh.
Um.
Yeah.
I mean.
And finally.
Apophith says bear, bear boy, boys.
Bebeer.
I enjoyed the raven discussion on the last app,
and noting your amusement about animals being commissioned soldiers
thought you might be interested in the famous Polish soldier bear,
Voitek.
He was an orphaned cub that was brought by a lieutenant
and donated to the 22nd artillery support company,
where he became something of a mascot,
mimicking the soldiers in marching, saluting, drinking,
coffee and smoking cigarettes. Later, his company was reassigned to fight alongside the British
in Italy, but mascots were forbidden. So in order to keep him, he was drafted as a private
before being promoted to corporal after distinguishing himself by carrying £100 crates
of artillery shells, typically requiring four men to carry. But my favourite part of the story is
that after the war, he lived a peaceful life in Edinburgh Zoo. Making guest appearances on Blue
Peter and enjoying visits from soldiers from his old unit where he'd recognised Polish words
and be given a few cigarettes just like all times.
What?
Do you feel like there's a bunch of like
untapped potential with animals?
Like look what we've done to cats and dogs, right?
Yeah.
Like if we domesticated every animal.
Domesticated a bear?
Yeah, I mean that bear sounds pretty domesticated.
And you see the odd like dodgy TikTok
of like a video from Russia of like a bear.
that's like just too well trained.
I saw one where there was a guy who was treating it like a dog
and he was like, sit, obviously in Russian or whatever.
And the bear's just doing it.
And they're just like in the woods and it's like,
what is the context here?
Like, how have we got here?
Yeah, there's quite a few like bear lion wolf videos
that just appear now and it's like...
These weird videos of like,
watch this golden retriever and a lion hugging.
It's like, where is this?
I go, where are you doing this?
I think the key is if it's a carnivorous animal,
if you keep its tummy full,
then it will be friends.
That will make a difference.
It'll be friends.
Not agitate it, respect him.
Yeah.
As long as it's not, I don't know, I was going to say it has to,
I feel like there needs to be like a mammal thing going on.
That's important.
Um, I don't know, ma'am.
What do you mean?
no you're right
I'm trying to think
I was thinking snakes
because people have snakes
they have yeah they have snakes
they have like lizards and they're cool
but they're not like domesticated
yeah they
they don't
give a shit
yeah
yeah
where like I feel like an aggressive
cobra would
attack me whether its tummy was full or not
hmm
you know
I hear.
Whereas a chubby bear.
Chubby bear.
Chubby fat, like, full as can be bear.
All the honey you could ever want.
He's not going to waste the energy on crushing my head.
Although, have you seen those scary videos of like,
look, we've got the circus bear on live TV.
And then the circus bear snaps.
I suppose they're being abused.
Yeah, I mean, it's being humiliated.
Yeah.
You know, get me, it's riding that little bike thinking, like, if I just had a bigger bike, I wouldn't be doing this.
Oh, yeah, that's a, God, that's a classic old, horrible, like, internet video that was always...
Oh, when it gets the monkey.
Yeah, the bear, I think that was in Russia as well.
Like, a bear on a tiny tricycle gets just fed up.
It's like chasing a monkey on a trike.
Yeah, the monkey paddling.
And just, like, jumps off the trike and just grabs the monkey and eats the monkey.
Yeah.
And it's like, what do you...
Well, that's a person.
A perfect example of like the class system, you know, bottom class fighting, while the audience just goes, ha ha, ha.
Yeah.
We're all bears on tricycles with Rishi trying to run away in the front.
Rishy and the rest are all in the audience.
We can't say Rishy there because no one knows who he is outside of the UK.
Really?
It's not like the president.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't think he is a household name, like...
Let's call him Prime Rishi then so people know.
Call him Dishy Rishi.
Rishy.
Yeah.
Prime Dishi Rishi.
But yeah, shout out to Voytek.
Yeah, nice one, Vytec.
That gives me a rock on.
Before we go to the break,
it's just one thing I wanted to shout out.
It's a little bit crazy.
A little bit like,
nowadays we don't really talk about
like commentary or like YouTube drama
or any of this nonsense,
but this weird tangential link I have to this
feels like
something worth bringing up
Jonathan VSVG11 says
Thoughts on the I'm Alex situation
with Bated supposedly returning for an episode
It's strange to see drama relevant to the only two
Jalcast crossover episodes emerge in 2024
So yeah that is
incredibly weird
Colossil is crazy
came on the car
and we did that co-lab episode.
I'm Alex took over from Zaptai
on hot wet soup
which was Bated's like competitor podcast I guess
so that is like a weird link
but that is my link I guess with
I'm Alex or whatever
and I kind of wanted to bring this up as like a jumping off point
as like a
like what is
the UK usually
YouTube scenes like problem like what like what why is it why is it like this I've always had
a problem with it you know the the the beauty squad thing or the it's all these like
groups clicky it does feel very clicky and it's all very clicky in these like groups
online anyway but there's just something specifically about these these British ones
that form that just has never gel with me like I never watch
of these you know the I don't even know the name of like the group KSI is in and
that whole enormous thing and I don't like care about yeah and it's all kind of
like you know sport related and kind of laddie type stuff that doesn't really
appeal to me but yeah I guess I'm Alex is being talked about because he crafted
the ultimate cancellation of himself mm-hmm maybe he just had enough maybe it's
like yeah let's just go out with a bang I guess
Yeah, I wonder how many YouTubers, like, decide that.
Because, yeah, he's in the background had a bit of a reputation in the UK space for being kind of slimy, or at least just the type of, uh, YouTuber or creator you bring up when it's like, it's what you fear if, like, you met someone there, like, I make YouTube videos.
it's like the fear of what that person might be like you know from stories like
right right you know what I'm saying where it's like
it's not even really about the videos it's about what you can get from these videos
you know there's some social climbing about it like
it's just jumping from like big group to big group like and then these
cloud chasing well yeah and that's like obviously a big part of the space
anyway yeah that's the kind of like
like built in but there is this like balance of like yeah I want to co-lab
with you because like I like your videos and there's maybe something in common
here or whatever but just didn't really get that vibe with his videos ever it's
like I guess this whole like holier than thou all my com all my content's like
commentary on why people are screwing up their lives and then all this stuff comes
out about his life and it's like not just bad but like yeah cartoon
Cartoon-ishly evil, like,
Planton-level.
Because, yeah, I had heard, like,
things through the grapevine,
but just, like, kept it quiet or whatever.
But this is one of those things where it's, like,
let's just wait for,
it's like just caught,
it's literally caught in 4K.
Like, yeah.
Just, like, vaguely at the,
the details or whatever,
I guess,
uh,
it's just an asshole to one of his girlfriends
who were secretly recorded some of the,
stuff where he'd like jump on discord and have a go at her and record the whole thing with
his full like streaming setup i showed you a couple of clips and it's just it doesn't even like
when you watch it it doesn't even make sense it's like is this a skit it would easily be
mistakeable for content or a skit yeah uh his his exaggerated reactions to things like
the whole brick comment and all this kind of absurdity yeah yeah i mean i i i
I'll be honest, I've never watched the guy's videos.
I've never been into that genre of YouTube.
I don't know if I'm underestimating how big of an audience he had.
You were, yeah.
Enormous, I would say.
Yeah, yeah.
And he kind of tailored his image to be really,
it really appealed to, like, sort of teenage girls, I think.
Yeah.
It always seemed obvious to me, but it seemed to, like, connect with an audience.
I guess someone likes this.
Bella Hadid is doing something just a little bit too far this week for me.
Like that kind of shit.
And it's like, okay, I guess.
Milk toast.
But, yeah, this is a wild one because it's like, he hasn't responded at the time of recording this.
And so I don't think it's possible.
I think you have two options.
You either just, well, three options.
You say nothing.
you make some like groveling apology and be like
I'm depressed I'm I'm in therapy now
that kind of thing or just in two weeks he just starts uploading again
and like just never address it which now very doable
honestly I mean thinking about it you could just never stop
yeah he could just keep going
mm-hmm it's proven to actually work like a keemster like he just yeah you have to like take something
you have to take the nugget and be like what am i going to do with this um am i going to use it as an
opportunity well so yeah do how much guilt do i have over this of like how bad is the thing i've done
yeah i mean if you're a total psycho and you get cancelled for something like this
Surely you could use that to get more views by uploading soon.
It depends how much.
I guess the thing that separates him from a Keemstar is that Keemstar kind of loves that whole like being the villain of the internet thing, like the attention he gets from it.
Whereas like the I'm Alex kind of projection has always been like, I care about what people think about me type thing.
So I'm sure he's having a go of it.
Um, but I've just, I've never seen anything like this.
It's like, it's so completely absurd, um, you know, like, this is even a thing that's possible.
And then this like humiliation ritual and.
Yeah, just wait for the next one.
Yeah, two, that's why two weeks is the thing, right?
Yeah, they're also in inconsequential now.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's what makes you, uh, is.
is what makes you question though like when is it too far how what can you come back from
because it's different when it's maybe all he said she said but when it's when there's
evidence of that level you know and it's like not AI it's not yeah yeah yeah um I guess
it's up to the audience yeah but at the same time like you can't fall if if he were to
upload and he lost all the people who gave a shit about
this stuff or there will be people in his audience who somehow miss it totally possible
there'll be people who don't know of him yet and then if he uploads the first video they
might see like it's just starting from zero you know but if he's already got the bump of having
like big videos in the past I feel like it makes it easier to get big videos again on
YouTube you know he'll at least get a bunch of eyes for the my side type thing
if he can even do it
if he does even try, yeah
but I don't know
disaster all round
yeah wild
those videos are wild
yeah
like I
as an adult
I
I don't think I've ever
talked to any
any other human like that
yeah I can say with confidence
I never have
and it's more like what
not that it's not bad
like what has come out, but the wider
sort of implication of like
if this is just from like the last
year and like you're okay
with talking to somebody like this, like you
don't just start doing that just one day,
do you? Like,
yeah.
I don't know.
I don't know, man. It's very weird.
Yeah, I guess
after these goddamn messages,
at least, uh,
wait a minute.
Aren't you, Alex?
What's that say?
Now I'm Alex
Wait
Good afternoon, morning, evening on night, I'm Alex
No
Yeah
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It's confusing recording on a Sunday.
It is. It is a Sunday. Yeah, I was in my Saturday feels. Thanks for slapping me back to reality.
I thought we were going to leave that pause pregnant then.
No.
Never like just leaving one of those little pregnancy pauses?
Pregnancy ball pauses?
Yeah.
I don't think these are called pregnancy balls.
Was that something I've put on them?
I think, like, it's something our family kind of.
Oh, really?
Is that where I got there from?
What, because mum had a pregnancy ball?
No, no, because our auntie when she was pregnant, got one.
Oh.
Do you remember that?
So, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah, that was...
I popped it.
Really?
Yeah.
Like bouncing on it too crazily.
I can't remember how, but I popped it.
Wow.
And I remember, like, lying on it with my hand over the puncture.
Like, trying to hide it and being like...
Oh, it just had a puncture.
It didn't, like, explode.
It didn't explode, but I, like, popped it.
Oh, I see.
So it was leaking air.
So I put my hand over it and was lying on it, like,
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What are your thoughts
on Ricky's your vase.
I personally can't stand him and hated after life.
That show is literally just Ricky beating the viewer over the head with the arguments he
has with himself in the shower.
Thank you for the great work as always, Bebe.
Never watched it.
Were you ever, like, big into Ricky?
I thought he was funny for a time.
I'm trying to remember where it, like, changed for me.
I think it was the Hollywood, Ricky.
Where it was, like, you know, the invention of lying and...
it wasn't until the end of the golden globes for me
when he stopped doing those
then it was like we've we've lost all of your worth
those were genuinely funny those golden globes
yeah like really good
I don't think you could get a better comedian
for that
yeah the insult comic stuff was really good for that
that crowd
yeah people would probably say it was a bit too mean
No, that's, that's deserve for that crowd.
That's exactly what made it so good was how mean-spirited it was.
Yeah, I think, for that uppity crowd, like mocking the whole idea.
Because they will never experience that anywhere else.
Yeah.
Yeah, you get any other comedian on that stage and it'll be the most lame, like, boring.
Like, you might get a chuckle or two.
Yeah.
but my broader rickie gervais thing is that i feel like as far as writing is concerned he like
needs stephen merchant there to like kind of smooth them out a little bit like balance it have a
bit more like cleverness and heart um yeah he he doesn't subdue himself at all it's so obvious
that he's just like speaking to the audience yeah and everyone feels like ricky and you can tell
it's all like yeah rickie's perspective and like like
He's not really acting. He's just kind of playing himself and I always just see Ricky.
Yeah. And as far as his social media stuff goes, it's like...
Very cringy. Yeah.
The like hyper atheist, you know, with the...
Hyper atheist free speech, mumbo jumbo.
Which is annoying because like these are concepts that like, I don't even like...
disagree with necessarily it's just the way they presented you know yeah but the like jesus
picture and like yeah but i think something that goes over the head of a lot of people in in these
positions like a jk rowling and a rickie chevese where they say all these like horrible things
the like free speech is like yeah you can say it but in in like reality you say those things
you might get like slapped in the face doesn't mean you're free of consequence yeah yeah that
Like, the consequence still exists.
That's what bugs me about it was like, you're saying this and making out that there is all this consequence.
Meanwhile, you're filling a stadium of people.
Yeah, and it's continuing to say it.
Yeah.
So what's your point?
Uh-huh.
You think it's wrong that people get upset that you're saying antagonistic things.
Mm-hmm.
It's like, that's kind of always been the case.
And then there's like, one or two of those is fine, but it's like the whole underlying, like, through line is,
look how I can't say any of this
and it's been that for like it feels like ages now
yeah but also the idea that like you
this is some paradigm shift
like go back
you're breaking the mold go back 50 years
what could you say on radio
like social media didn't exist
what could you say on TV
and it's not like he's like
it's not like he's restricted to like rumble
he's like on Netflix
yeah yeah
he's got like the biggest platform
yeah so it's just disingenuous
and um
I think it shows how
like he
even though he said all that shit about the celebrities
in the golden globes like he's one of them
oh yeah he's as disconnected from reality
yeah yeah it's like the low hanging fruit
because it's like when you have
the office money
I think you're so far removed
from the average experience
that like
you actually cannot make something like the office again
because the whole reason it connected
was that personal experience
living an average office job
so it's relatable
he can't be relatable anymore
did you get paid for the American office
that's why he's so obscenely rich
yeah oh my god and he's still making money to it
from it to the state yeah well it was like
the most streamed thing on that
yeah Netflix yeah yeah so he's a level of wealth
that's just like comical yeah yeah
and he makes fun of it sometimes within his Madeira
but it's like yeah
he's been doing the same thing for a while
I remember finding the stand-up
to do of like
he did like one on evolution
one on religion
I don't know how
he's in GTA 4
true
yeah
so yeah
there's some fondness
from the past
but it's not really something
I'm into nowadays
in fact the stand-up really
annoys me
I've not seen his latest one
the last one I saw
was the one where he like
halfway through
who wipes out his family
and starts like reading stuff from Twitter
and it was
kind of awkward and like
it's quite like
audience capturey where it's like
are you telling jokes you're just saying
these like opinions that like
you know your audience agrees with
so they're just like cheering at your opinion
every few minutes
like
where the jokes
you know
yeah
um
Miniature Rani says, with the revelation that Jim has been mewing for some time now,
it made me curious.
In Jha's opinion, what is the absolute worst online trend that's ever gone viral, Bebe?
I actually do think the, like, Sigma male, like, mewing stuff is actually really bad, like, really negative.
I was thinking about this.
I think mewing is more popular with women.
I think it's just all like it within that looks maxing
yeah yeah but these concepts being like a meme just everyone knows
I don't think is good
whereas like
what was the harm that was being done when it was like
Chuck Norris can beat anyone in a fight
yeah yeah yeah but there was the the obscene shit of like
poison you know the Tidepod challenge
yeah yeah people were just
but that's more recent I'm saying I'm saying like
the trajectory of the danger.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I feel like mewing, Tidepod,
I'm gonna pick Mewing.
You know, the challenge era was particularly-
But like, what is the like subtext of like,
11-year-olds or going around making fun of like,
your jawline sucks.
Like, you're never gonna be a true alpha male.
You might as well just kill yourself
or do something horrendous.
That's like a lot to put on a young mind, you know?
Yeah
Yeah, true
Yeah, it's gonna
Make the bettas even more beta
Because like you're already like so self-conscious
And like, I'm no idea who you are
Well then they start mewing and looks max
To Godhood
Yeah, I don't know about that one
Yeah, those trends are bad
Just like
What's like a good trend
When is one of these
Like actually good or productive
You need Chinese TikTok for that
You're right
Stem TikTok
Which I did see in the settings is an option
Like hidden away
Like yeah do you want to put on stem TikTok
Zero point two percent of the users
Yeah
I don't know
I'm sure there's loads I'm forgetting
I think trends are bad in general
You need to be a sigma
you need to walk you need to be a man
going your own way yeah yeah
don't follow trends
don't mew
me too
I get concerned sometimes like
with the with the irony thing to like such a degree
where like
if you ever say something like
making fun of mewing
all this alpha stuff or whatever
then someone hears it and like
maybe they just misinterpret something you're saying
yeah totally possible
because I've had that happen
I've just simultaneously like all my time
online been both called like ultra right wing and ultra left wing like so I don't really know
what we're picking up here it's not really what I'm putting down I don't feel like anyway but
I don't know maybe I find in um interactions with with people in general in reality something
about the tone of my voice um when i make jokes a lot of the time either people think i'm being
serious the whole time or it takes them ages to like get that i'm not serious
you think of what it's like a flat affect type thing i think it might be a flat affect type thing
you don't like you don't whip out a little little something or other to make it clear
well that's the thing as well
like I find if you say a joke
and then you go I'm joking I'm joking
like I feel like that depends on the crowd
if you're like trying to figure out
you know I I've got a lot of faith
in humanity
in humour
in humour yeah
so like when
maybe I
am like
expecting too much
but when I say something that I think is
absurd. I feel like the fact the absurdity of the statement should be enough to tell the person
that I'm not serious and I'm joking without me saying on top of the absurdity of the statement
I'm joking. Yeah. I have a similar thing sometimes of like I can sound very dry or sarcastic.
Yeah. Yeah, that's something I often have trouble with. There's like,
like, excitement.
Expressing excitement.
Well, like, I'm excited.
Yeah, yeah.
People seeing me, they're like...
Why aren't you fucking losing it?
Yeah.
Yeah, I've had that before.
I'm just, I'm enjoying this moment.
Yeah, or I'm looking forward to a thing next week.
I'm not physically shaking right now and like screaming.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm just a little bit, you know, diverse.
Look, but a lot of people do that, though, where it's like, you're not reacting the way I react, which must mean that you don't feel the thing I feel.
Yeah.
It's like, maybe they just show it different.
Yeah.
Or maybe they're a psychopath.
Yeah, maybe I don't feel.
Um, let's do a couple more here.
Um, uh, I want to know if anything comes to mind from this one from the Red Spore.
bear bear boys you've spoken before about member berries being a bad slash cheap way of engaging an audience or demographic however i was wondering if you think there is a time and place where it is appropriate to use them do you have any examples of member berries you've enjoyed thanks by me i got an example immediately off the top of the dome good good um member berries are epic when dom is coming back true you mentioned goose war last episode yeah um i got the member berry enjoyment from
the music sting of Dom being
confirmed to return.
For me it was more seeing Dom.
That's the emotional punch of the trailer.
Yeah, it was like, we're back, son.
Yeah.
Way back, son.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
But, yeah.
I saw, like, a hilarious, like,
kind of melodramatic YouTube comment
that was, like,
Dom makes player two feel like they're player one.
Yeah.
Stuff like that.
It's like so.
Mm-hmm.
Nelson Gives of all love in the comments.
saw some yeah people people losing their minds someone shouted out a like three hour long
youtube uh like essay thing that i've downloaded ready to watch it's supposedly like a good
uh is it the one i mentioned what's the name of the channel no uh coldwell javes yeah that's the one
yeah he made he's awesome he makes great um yeah that's my kind of jam a three hour long
gears of war video let's go yeah um but like even if even if the game sucks that trailer
like worked enough for me for like the whole thing to be worth it yeah uh i would say the
the john stuff in red dead too um there's some fan service stuff in there that's like this is
earned this needs to be here yeah um yeah especially in in that game it being like
this is why you liked yeah yeah because like almost the expectation was like you're gonna prefer
Arthur now with the amount of time we spent with him so we need to like fast-track
back the memories of how much everyone love John so that works I just yeah I feel
like that's the important thing is like is this end does this make sense yeah are you
just doing it for the member barriers or is there like a story reason is there a
character reason yeah actually do this like um better cool soul was good of like for that
kind of thing where it's like nodding or making things just make sense yeah even
Furiosa or Fury Road both have good ones like the references to the car and whatnot
in Fury Road and little nods to old stuff here and there I didn't tell you actually I
watched out half of Thunderdome oh the first half because it's free on ITV yeah so you
saw the Thunderdome bit yeah yeah also is that what is the first half the bad part
because I was like yeah the first I was expecting it to be bad but like it was like comically bad
like almost like unwatchable
When I say Thunderdome
Isn't that bad
I'm just thinking about like
The action set piece
In the second half of the film
That Thunderdome bit
Were they like doinging it around
Yeah like I did not get like what they were
Yeah
And there's some famous singer
In it right
Her character is very weird
Yeah
And it's really distracting
She doesn't like belong in that world
No
I did kind of dig the
Very fallouty
like setting where it's like a market town of like trading and stuff that was kind of cool to
see very fallouty um yeah but outside of that like max is like super weird in it too like there's
something off about him um i guess i just don't like his look compared to the other one
he's got like a massive he's got like a really long hair it looks kind of like tarzan or something
yeah i can't remember if he gets a haircut or if he just looked lame for the whole
yeah um very weird film from like what i've seen but kind of like interesting yeah really
interesting and the the like moral quandary when he knocks the guy's helmet off and he's like oh
that's right yeah yeah i did kind of dig that what's it called blastermaster or whatever yeah
yeah so crazy yeah truly mad you could say but like mad to the point where it's like this is a little
bit annoying actually yeah yeah um bad member berry uh huh hon solo in the force
just a lot of that stuff yeah luke in the force awakens um layer in the force of chewy um r2 d2 and
c3 p a lot of like unknown stuff with that like i was thinking about that when i read this
question like oh they're doing the millennium falcons sting when she says it's a heart it's a
home to garbage and then it's revealed to be there it's like yeah what i'm saying about being earned
like is that really earned we're on a desert planet this ship we all know and love it just happens
to be here it's like okay that's annoying that's stupid yeah i feel like marvel did it well
for quite a while actually yeah um yeah and then they dorked it like the like cap getting the
you can't deny that was a moment
people were like breathless in the theater
yeah
so
that's where it's like the big
the big scale of this is like
yes you could feel it like in the air
like
this is pretty cool
this is like
the concept is like being explored
and like
you've done it I guess
we've seen it now
yeah
and then he turns into
Biden.
He really does
kind of, I think, considered that.
Yeah, that's why he won the election.
They thought it was Captain America.
Captain America
has dementia.
Bad member
Barry's the Jurassic World trilogy.
Oh God.
That's like, that's on the
if the Force Awakens was
egregious, that was like
if you'd already wrung out that flannel
completely. Yeah. Yeah. The one
droplet that's left. Let's try and do
this thing again. Yeah, and the
T-Rex is just like a legend.
It's like a hero.
Yeah, he's framed
as if he's like Captain America.
Yeah. Yeah.
He's getting his hero moment.
Yeah.
But then when they actually bring back
like Sam Neal. Yeah, yeah.
Because that's the only one I've seen him for.
That's one of the more
miserable cinema experiences I've had.
Honestly, the last few years.
Horrible.
Just because mostly because of how long it was.
just how uninteresting and like
just fuck you this sucks like
yeah the movie focused on like
locusts for like
80% of film
and then there's like a mission impossible
like motorcycle chase
through like
yeah that's right rocker or something
yeah a laser controlling velocity
it's like so annoying and dumb
yeah
the first movie was like
dinosaurs
that was it
and then
and it was like
The philosophical quandary at the heart of it and the like...
Yeah.
The Jeff Goldblum sort of like anarchist character.
He's a determinist, actually, I think.
He's, um...
No, he's the opposite.
He is an anarchist.
He talks about, like, chaos.
It has been a long time, I'd have to...
He's like, put a drop of water on your hand and it goes down a different way every time.
That's right.
Yeah, I think...
I can't remember what his philosophy is.
Because that doesn't actually happen.
Because, like, water will go down the same way.
Because it, if it's still wet, you know?
Because it's easier for the water to go down the wet.
But it's more like a commentary on, like, trying to control things that you can't.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Playing God type thing.
Yeah.
Just a good movie.
I watched Indiana Jones, um, Temple of Dime yesterday.
It's, it's weirdly the most revisitable one.
It's crazy.
Because it's just so mad.
Yeah.
It's like, some of the stuff wouldn't fly.
There's like an underlying anger to the movie because like, both George Lucas and Spielberg were going through these like nasty divorces at the time.
But at the same time, Spielberg was dating Willie.
Willie. That's right.
Willie sucks.
I hate Willie.
I actually, I've had a full like C-3-Pio thing with Willie.
Really?
Well, like, I hated that character growing up.
I empathize with her.
But I think it's a hilarious dynamic now.
What, yeah, I like their dynamic.
I'm fine with her.
It's more the fact that she is the love interest.
Like, it just doesn't make sense, you know?
Uh-huh.
They, that's just, yeah.
They hate each other for the whole film.
Uh-huh.
And that's-
But that's what makes it the, like, corny, poppy, like,
James Bond.
It doesn't, like, piss me off.
Yeah, yeah.
It doesn't.
I just saw it as, like,
I don't know, it's very like a George
Luke Seeth story thing
It's like we've done
Serial
Yeah yeah
And like in the first one we did this type of like
Phamphatal
Let's flip it
Yeah
And just do the inverse
Um
And that works
Yeah
Short round rocks
Best bit
Which bit
Short round
Like he actually is the highlight of the film
He actually is the highlight
He roans every scene he's in
Yeah he does
Yeah he's so charming
In the age of like 10.
Crazy.
Crazy charming.
And genuinely funny.
Like actually funny.
Yeah.
Yeah, quite impressive for a little kid.
Well, him just combined with Harrison Ford, obviously.
It's like that part where he's going to get crushed in the bugs and whatever, and that face he does.
Harrison Ford has a lot of funny faces in that movie.
Yeah.
That movie is full of funny faces.
And although, like, I love it when he gets, like, mind to control.
Yeah, and he gets his evil face on.
It's like hearts being ripped out, people being like burned alive.
Like all the cult stuff.
It gets horrible.
The monkey brain.
Yeah.
Yeah, the cultural insensitive stuff.
And then the British come in at the end and save the day.
That's right.
It's just, yeah, it's a wild-ass movie.
I just love that the action is like, and then this happens.
And then this happens.
and then there's water through the tunnels
and then they're climbing the bridge
Yeah and like make fun of like Marvel movies
For being roller coaster rides
But that whole
It's literally a roller coaster
Yeah
But it's something about it really works
Like it's not annoying
It's fun as hell
Yeah it's all elaborate and crazy
I think
Movies back then
And like tying it back to the member berries
Like we're being reminded of all these things
that back then when you watched a movie and crazy things were happening
there was an element of like people had to like put their lives on the line like
it's real when you go and see a circus like we did in Vegas
you're on the edge of your seat because you there are real human beings doing
incredible stunts and you had to be more scrappy with visual effects
Yeah, as well, pre-CG.
Yeah, and you had to use them more sparingly.
Mm-hmm.
So I think that element
has been lost for the most part.
That's why, like, I'll fall asleep
during a Fast and Furious,
but, like, a Mission Impossible comes out?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, because you know
there's a middle-aged actor
who's trying to kill himself.
Yeah.
You know, the stakes are up
Because, like, next Mission Impossible could be, like, news ask.
Like, he actually really wants to be gone.
Yeah.
You know?
But he's only going to let it happen, like, naturally.
Yeah, Tom Cruise, I think he's going to do Mission Impossible until he dies.
Even if that means he's doing a halo jump when he's, like, 90.
Something to do with space.
Yeah.
He just gets launched.
Just fire him in space as his final stunt.
Yeah.
Send me straight to Zeno.
Yeah.
Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
But most of the time, yeah, member berries.
Annoying.
Right.
So, you know, let's just end on this one from bathtub, Tom.
Hello, Jha.
Philosophical bloody conundrum for you here.
I think you'd rather enjoy discussing.
It's called the ship of Thesius.
a thought experiment regarding the nature of identity and existence of the soul
say there is a boat that sails for hundreds of years and gradually over time
parts of the boat break and need to be replaced
eventually the boat has had all of its parts replaced with new ones
but is it still the same bloody ship
do you understand the premise yeah i've heard this before
yeah what do you think i've heard it more
Isn't this what that game
Soma's all about?
Yeah, kind of I guess
Not that I've played that game
I've just watched a few videos on it
Awesome
It's making you ask like yeah
Is your body or your consciousness
Yourself
What is yourself
And I guess I stand by
If there was a way to
Put my consciousness
As it is right now
into another body
then
that would be me
and if there's just like a empty husk
without a consciousness
then it's no longer me
this is where the soma part of it
gets more interesting
because what's being done
is that your brain is copied
it's like copy and paste
as opposed to cut and paste I guess
so my experience would end
but this thing's experience would
well no your your
experience would continue
but there's a copy
But it has severed.
No, it's, you stay exactly the same.
But this scan thing has copied your brain
and then something else wakes up
with all of your memories leading up to that point.
Something else, right.
But that thing thinks it's you.
That thing is you because it's a copy of your brain
with all of your memories up to that point put into it.
Right.
So it's a, yeah.
So I guess what's the question?
spoiler alert for somer i guess um well this this is um did i ever ask on i feel like you have asked
something to do this before do you have a body or are you your body yeah and i guess people bring
this up with the idea of like your cells regenerating over a certain amount of time yeah um
so i guess it with the ship thing the ship would be
the same ship with that logic yeah but it seems different though with the separating it from like
consciousness i mean this thing's a boat that's the part they confuse confuses it's like surely the
the the crew on the boat is changing the boat is staying the the crew is changing the
the crew is changing like the parts they're replacing it with are like from different places
and is it the same ship you would say
still call it the same ship?
Yeah, I'd say it is.
And what would make it stop being
that state, just being
destroyed in a storm?
If we
as people stopped calling it
that,
then I guess it would change.
I think, like, in terms of continuity,
like if
do it with a car,
like you eventually replace every single bit
one bit at a time over the course of a hundred years
yeah it's still your car
you know you you're like feeling toward it
and your attachment wouldn't change
because the change is so incremental
well about with the ship one if um
for each part that had like broken off
or been damaged
if you went and salvaged all those pieces
and put them back together
So then you had two.
Which is the boat?
Both?
Both are the original?
No, one of them will be the original.
But the other is it.
Yeah.
Have you reached any conclusion there?
Or do we just like keep that open?
What do you think?
I think that I would class it as the same ship.
there's not a point I think you would yeah under that framing of a boat you would say yeah
it's the same boat if it had like a name you'll still call it the same name yeah you wouldn't
be like we have to rename this because we have to change the sale or whatever yeah oh this is
the last bit that's being changed you know at what point does it become something else
never I mean like it's it's a replica I guess because you can't like take a I mean
So does that mean we're like replicas of ourselves?
Maybe.
Every now and again?
Maybe.
But I don't think they're all that equatable.
It's different.
We're organic.
You know?
Yeah.
Because that is an interesting point to zone in on is that if the technology existed to be able to digitize your brain somehow.
the like
the Passover period
the passing of the torch
moment
like
do you even get the
payoff
like do you
well exactly
it's such an abstract
sort of concept
another
thing that uses this concept
was the
the snowy
episode of Black Mirror
one of the best episodes
yeah
the woman in the toaster
her job is to make toast
and she's just a copy of the original person
but from her experience she has
she is that person
yeah um
very interesting
it's it's not like a
a chance you're you're creating a new being
I think is where I've landed on it
a copy
yeah but it's
the second
it's away from you it has a different lived experience and therefore is something else someone else
but it is a person someone else but it's you it was you you know but then starting from that
point two people with the exact two identical people who have had the exact same experience
and have the same brain from a starting point what would even be that
how much different?
Well, one of them...
They know it?
I guess that makes a big difference
as if they know it or not.
Again, if that's hidden.
The twins.
Same idea.
Well, yeah, that's
the thing. It all gets quite
interesting, theoretically.
I guess that's what
musky boy is trying to solve with his
monkey chips.
Yeah.
And that's the thing, like, would...
Imagine being in the trials for this, though.
Like, we're just going to sort of play around with the very idea of consciousness and, uh...
Yeah, we're just going to cool with that.
A copy of you.
And theoretically, the you right now, or a version of you right now,
will experience being the copy.
But then what about, like, the company that runs this tech,
you upload your copy and then, like, you can pay a little bit extra to be like,
could you just remove like my anxiety yeah could you just remove this like horrible memory
just remove the traumas yeah it's kind of a eternal sunshine yeah yeah add some um extra
roller coasters in there yeah and trampolines mm hmm but then yeah surely if you start
changing things like that then you are no longer yourself then you are losing what you are
Yeah, well, it depends if you're making the copy and giving them, like, the anxiety and trauma.
Uh-huh.
Because then, yeah, then the clone that comes out might just be, like, completely different
because they didn't experience that specific traumatic thing that shaped decision-making from that point onwards.
And then it...
Well, yeah, what if you made a copy of yourself and just, like, min-max them to be, like, way better than you?
like just a crap like the best guy you've ever met and you're like shit this is what
I suck yeah like then um we're so yeah you could you could get it's kind of brought up in that
fallout tv show of like the idea of scientists running society they're like the top of the hierarchy
and like the kind of craziness that can come from that and I'm just thinking like yeah let's
let's have three different consciousnesses but let's have one that like dedicates himself to like
only getting strong.
And this one is only to learning
this specific science or
something like this.
It's becoming the best
meditation. Yeah.
Just see, I'm like, oh, that's what I'd look like
with that skill or that
random way of being.
Because then, yeah, surely if that technology
existed, then ways of like
simulating it. So you could kind of...
But then also, what if you put
like two brains in the same
if that was like a service where it's like I want to merge brains with this person
yeah like like create like this
you know like the gath from
from mass effect
I feel like that is a potential end point for humanity
the hive mind yeah well this is the robot rhino thing again
circling back to that always comes back to that
Yeah, but like you, every, every mind would be interlinked.
Yeah, but then there's also all the cool, like, details with the geth, where there are, like, subsects.
They have, like, different, even though they are hive mind, there are splinters.
When they're, like, disconnected.
Yeah, yeah.
Or they've got, like, old code and, like, stuff like that.
Yeah, but they, like, evolve together and they try to bring those.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Awesome idea.
Because, yeah, how would that work?
And then, like, if we're a hive mind in this one space
and then you create, like, a little scout robot to explore the world.
Yeah.
Well, I heard an insanely cool science fiction concept along these lines,
which we can kind of end on.
There's apparently, like, I haven't read it or whatever.
There's like a famous novel, a sci-fi novel that uses this concept in some form.
But the idea is basically a...
an alien um species somewhere have like sent information to us and they're like long extinct or
whatever because of how long just data takes to move across space speed of light and all
um but the the alien invasion is the information they sent as in the information they sent is the
technology know-how
to get to a certain point
and just by giving that information
it takes over
it's like such a cool
like... Yeah it's like technology itself
yeah and there's not even like an alien
thing like it's just information
knowledge
very very cool idea
that is awesome I like that
I think on that it'll leave you thinking
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