JAR Media Posdact - Obi-One Reenobi - JARCast Episode 281

Episode Date: July 4, 2022

https://www.patreon.com/jarmedia Merch: https://teespring.com/stores/jar-media-store Twitter: https://twitter.com/FourFunnies Timecodes: 00:00 Intro 05:28 Housereening 27:28 Obi Wan & Lucasfilm Being Inept 47:27 Questions Segment 48:14 Jabs That Went Wrong 56:51 Memory Inducing Foods 1:00:42 Sibling Rivalry 1:08:17 Dibby Confirmation 1:11:18 Best and Worst Online Stranger Interactions 1:21:10 CoD Campaign Tier List 1:26:50 Red Dead Online is Finished 1:29:25 Anti-SJW Phases 1:39:05 Pessimism and Stargate

Good afternoon, morning, evening or night, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to JARCast episode 281. Today I'm joined by Rien. He's green to the show. He's a fresh-faced, porty-eyed newcomer. A reen? What's your little... Go on, give us a motto or something. I've been planning this.

Go on. Riem keeps it clean. Ooh. Can we just restart the show with you? I hate this. Rien keeps it clean. Okay. Good afternoon, one evening, one night, ladies and gentlemen.

This is the Jamie de podcast. This is the usual suspect. Yeah, Rine. J.J.A. Housekeeping. he he Ha ha You can't like

You can't intro it Pretend you're starting it And then just like abandon it And then just like Expect me to do it Yeah Good afternoon morning, morning, evening all night Ladies and gentlemen

And welcome to episode 281 Of the JARMedia podcast I am Jamie today This is Rien Yesterday I'm Rine today Can we drop the weed thing We drop the week

We have James We have tomorrow James Hello, we're the usual, well, Rien's a bit of a fresh-faced, porty-eyed newcomer, but... Rene is Alex, if you haven't realised. Before, before I get interrupted any further, I just like to thank the beautiful Patreon Patreon, p, p, p-tri-ons over at patreon.com, nailed it. For supporting the show, helping us, not helping us, you know, making it possible for us to be on audio services like

our favourite Podbean, Apple, Spotify SoundCloud Podreen, all of them, all of them but Podbean number one, sound cloud number two, blah blah blah blah. How we doing? Just aching for one of these reasons.

Yeah? Yeah. I hate our commitment to genuine cringe. I hate you mean? You're committed to doing something that is cringy and was funny What's cringy? What's cringy?

Let's pretend to smoke. Let's pretend to smoke. It looks real to me. Yeah, it tastes real, too. Oh, let me have a bite. Yeah, grease me up, bro. A bite. Goose me up.

Grease me up. I can't grease you up. Why not? Because, um... It's irresponsible. What's irresponsible? I can't spread the reen. And also...

I don't want James to get ash fucking everywhere. You're just going to discriminate against me and specifically me I can't with Jim either Okay, no, I'm not enough Because you're trying to quit these nasties Okay, no, you light up, brov I wouldn't even be tempted Really?

Yeah, light up, brov Just grease me up after the show I don't know, Rina's playing with fire right now I think... Rine's a bad influence No, go on No, no, I'm not talking I'm upset.

This episode is the upset cast. Yeah, it's the upset episode. We're off to a terrible start. Our days have been terrible. This is going to be the terrible episode. The terrible episode. The terrible episode. Terrible episode.

This is going to rival chaos. It's going to rival normal. And it's going to rival the one. It's going to be a new level, a new low, a new plane of it. existence, a new D. There's 3D, there's 4D, we're going like 10D. This is a new level of like A new level of rain.

How reen can you go? It's too complicated, man. Yeah, can we just re-intro this of like a new show? We've done like 12. Good afternoon, morning, evening or night. That one was fine, right? No, no, no, no, no, let's drop the ween. It's too complex.

No, that was the part I was loving. It's just too much. What do you think? Good afternoon, morning, evening, tonight. Tonight we're bringing you the best news that we are going in on EC, the EC conspiracy. There's more to this story than you know. There's more than you think. This is connected to everything.

Everything. Your eyes are going to open. Your middle head eye is going to open once you've received the news of the EC. Alex Jones, his game's over once he realizes. The E.C. Conspiracy. The E.C. Conspiracy. I'm with you on that one.

Come on, rain. Oh, that's right. We need some structure over here, man. We do. There's a song about today's episode where I think it's, there's too much chaos. Please. Jamie, stop touching my supple feet, please. you're gonna match the Vaseline

Are you ready to clean this ream You know, I'm starting to agree with James This ream thing is really making It's throwing everything off Who am I then? I'm having an identity crisis No, no you're not You're Alex I-H-E Okay?

No Oh does not baby not want to be I-H-E anymore No, no No, it's like my Mr. Robot thing right You got the I-H-H-E character you've got the reen oh so you've got the Randy

you've got the one who's fascinated of time but we'll spend like half hour doing a shit oh no there's that's a waste if you're if you're if you're if you care about wasting time taking a fucking half out of shit I have to wasting time

sleeping is wasting time yeah have to and I find the things I have to do as a human and pooing is one of them and rushing pooing forcing pooing creating lesions on the the pooher is not what I'm all about

lesions you know if you simply just sleep less you waste less time yeah but your quality of life quickly goes no it doesn't no that's not true because a society is so addicted to coffee that you won't notice a difference because you just pump yourself with more coffee like I sleep significantly less than you both and my quality of life is if it's greater

is like it generally is considered it can be considered greater And I drink less coffee Then you both Yeah, by who? Do you consider it greater? No But you, don't you drink the most coffee out of all of us? Okay, no, how many coffees?

How many, you know, addictions have been a consistent topic these last few episodes. How much coffee are you drinking on a daily basis? I have three espresso's. You, prick. Then. Oh, my, God. if everyone no now let's this shit

Argy's getting we're getting rid of Argy We're putting him down He's actually The Boatman family doesn't even want him Oh I'll have Argy No they don't they don't want him He's going to a farm Fuck the pisser give away

If you want to argue let us know He might eat his own shit And be a fucking annoying dog But he could be yours for the great son Did he actually change the angle? Yeah no Yeah, he's sat on the corner. That damn dog.

He just wants me to suffer. Yeah, his whole goal is to just annoy. Out of all the podcasts, in all the world. What were we actually talking about? And we'll talk about coffee. We'll talk about how many coffees a day. And I said, three espresso's, and then maybe after dinner, have a cup of glee. That's actually problematic, and you need to stop.

Why? It's too much. It's too much. Really? Why? In fact, but the thing is it's too much And you've got to cut it all out You need to swipe it out of your life

I'm fine with it Are you, um, how bad has your sleep been recently Pretty good Oh, that's a lie That's a sugar-coated lie You've been going to bed like four in the morning That's, yeah, so I've been watching Star Wars movies and Disney Plus

Which ones? Having a girl time Can't say that anymore Sorry, having a grey old time Better When did that happen? Having a reen old time I'll tell you which ones it was

After we do housekeeping Which we're gonna do now Which is where we wrap up the conversations From the previous episode Address some of the comments Some of the controversial topics of the day Or of the week Or of the moment

Or of the hour Or of the minute Or of the reen Oh Ah Hey Just like a diligent hovercraft 37 did Good evening, Jarmy.

It is I. Good evening. It is I, the gowling that has been watching for 11 years. From what I remember, my journey from the Crisis 2 trailer to now went man, man, boy, boy, man, I-H-E, old jar, and then current jar. I don't remember any of R&L, however. I went back and watched Fart Breakfast. I was hit with a faint whiff of nostalgia from seeing it, so maybe I did watch it back then as well. As a long-time view, I genuinely cannot pick between normal and curry.

They represent very different times in the life of the channel and show the incredible dichotomy of chaos and control that are central to Jha as an entity as Yin is to Yang curry is to normal. Here's to another 11 years at Pussy Diary about cringe. I hate Fart Breakfast. I love the sound effects and all that stuff

but I hate me in Fart Breakfast. Why do you make it? But it was so of its era. You not accepted that you were quengy. Is that why you don't like... No, because... Everyone that age is cringy, what do you mean? No, but like it... The fact that it's like almost a masterpiece, you know?

Just with a cut here. Let's, no, because there's like on quality, with quality, right, it starts with the absolute trash and starts going up and then at mediocre, there's a big dip. Right? Right. So if, in terms of quality, if your thing is perfectly mediocre, it's equal to trash. No, not at all. It's true.

It's not. Yeah, because I was like, Aldermaning is a mediocre. mediocre game, and I wouldn't consider that trash. And you go past mediocre, and it keeps going up, up, up, up, up, and then you reach Masterpiece. But just before Masterpiece, there's a really thin bit, right? And in that bit, there's another dip that goes down to pretty much trash. You know? Mm-hmm.

And then it's Masterpiece. And that's where Fart Breakfast sits. What else sits there? Just me do in general. Dead Island. Dead Island. Dead Island's not a masterpiece though Well exactly it's so close to being a masterpiece

But it just misses the mark No, I'm not sure at all You just ruined your whole point by using it And that is that a perfect example How can you have an opinion? How much time did you put into it? Oh, the achievements are broken The achievements are broken

So it's not a masterpiece anymore Exactly, that's what I'm saying Well, he was out here arguing That dead island's a masterpiece No what, not yours! That's the whole point That's what I'm saying Yeah, no, no, but you're saying that it's close to it

Yes, no, no, no no no no No, no. No, you're thinking about this too, too laterally. Too rigidly. Too rigidly. I'm saying fart breakfast is as good as Dead Island. But they're both shit. But really good. Do you see what I'm saying?

Fart breakfast is better than Dead Island. No. No, no, no, no. That's a little bit better. I'm going to be honest. I hope there's some viewers who understand, like, the Dead Island appeal and there's The nostalgia that the original Dead Island has in a game that is a masterpiece, but is absolutely bollocks. Yeah.

That might be one of the best games of the last like 10 years. The last 30 years. 30 years, yeah. It deserves a space in like a Hall of Fame because it's like... It should be where Skyrim is. Yeah. No, you're talking bollocks. No, Skyrim is fucking worse than Dead Island.

Skyrim is worse than Dead Island. Yeah. No joke. It's too far. No. No, genuinely. That is my genuine opinion. You cannot tell me my opinion is wrong.

But anyway, fart breakfast, I don't like it. It's really good. But, I don't know, man. Pretty... Is there any video we did of that era that was... Can be classed as a masterpiece? Batman. Yeah, Batman.

No. Of all the videos, you picked that one. Which one were you picked then? Dovstep park or two? That one didn't you. god I miss that video no I would have to say it's dubstep

oh no not doves step barcourt one no that's a great one no that's in the that's not even in like the almost masterpiece that's just shit um I would probably say

one of the um unboxing videos black ops the black ops the black ops one is so good it's a masterpiece it doesn't go into trash it's just a masterpiece

yeah because that was an instance of moody james swinging into that perfect like in between yeah it's like the the circles there is the perfect line up of moody chaos into was like really moody back then you were moody because we kept trying to film you doing an unboxing so you like reluctantly did it and it ended up being the funniest one No, that's where the best ones came from like the Assassin's Crew one as well No, that was like Let's make an actual really good one

Yeah And it turned out really good That one did come out really good Because it had the thing on the back of the box at the end No, but the Black Ops unboxing was great Because I, the frustration I had That both of you came out in what I was talking about As this hyper-ironic

Uh, serious unboxing video Honestly, it's one of the YouTube goal, like YouTube rewind for last like 20 years, should be, that video should be there. Just, yeah, we were in the, um, fake unboggings part of YouTube. Yeah, that was our domain for a time.

And that, no, considering the garbage that was just, the YouTube back then, think of all the big content creators, how garbage they were. That's when, like, reply girls were a big thing. It was around them. Yeah. Unboxing videos are reply girls. But now we've just got

reply guys on Twitter. True, which are even worse somehow. Yeah. Like dudes, my unboxing video is better than you. Shut up. Thank you for watching for 11 years, though. Jesus. Yeah, I think that person has a power far exceeding anything we will ever be capable of.

Speaking of power that cannot be matched and it's just not capable of reaching. Did you guys see, watch, or hear, the um the crazy goblins cover no did you actually not I'm gonna have to play it for you guys

no I don't crazy goblins might be one of the worst songs you've done it's the worst man man boy boy song it is no it's the worst one no Minion Supreme is so good and you deleted the best the best version of it I'm no I'm actually

the version on man man boy boy by man, it's so bad. I think you should probably delete it out of embarrassment. No. No, because the version with the laughing is funny as fuck. No, man. Where did it just go to Food Fighters? That's annoying.

Better than goblin. No, ready? Okay. One, two, three. Yeah, been a goblin's fine, been a goblin is a challenge, we're so cheeky, we get up to no good. Crazy goblins, goblins, evil goblins, cheeky most of all, been a goblin, so easy, been a goblin, ain't easy, no more, it ain't easy, it ain't no easy. Pinna goblin, really, really challenging. I'm a goblin, but you know, most of all,

crazy goblin, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Crazy goblin. They're so crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy goblin, really, really, crazy goblin. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy goblin. Being a goblin, he's pretty crazy Tread them to hot, so beats a crazy goblin We dig holes and we find things Little coins and other collectibles

We like to collect valuable items We need them to buy food and water to survive, Goblin, what a to survive, Crazy Goblin Crazy goblin Crazy crazy crazy Crazy goblin They are goblin

Crazy crazy crazy Crazy goblin Crazy godland Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Mm.

Mm. Mm. So remember, everybody, it's all your compliments out there. Just think crazy. You're saying? Minion Supreme is significantly better. In terms of your creative. no that's actually a really good cover

yeah mad props to the... Because normally covers aren't better than the original book Are you really going to throw that my way? Yeah, absolutely. Are you going to disagree? Well, no, but... That's art right though.

That's how art is made. Itteration. Yeah, iteration. Yeah, iteration. equals causality. Goblin water to survive. James really liked it, I could tell. Appropriate Way 4601 has this to say.

Hello jarmedia pos-dact. This is not a question but a story that I thought might interest you boys. I'm a father of one child who is in his infancy. He says words to his mother but for some reason won't speak a peep to me. Each day I'd try something new in an attempt to get him to speak to me. And it was at my wits end when I came to a final solution. I played for him the most recent episode of the JAR Media POSDact. About five minutes in, he spoke to me for the first time.

He turned that shit off. He said, Dada. Overjoyed, I urged him to continue. Yes, son? I babbled, tears rolling down from my eyes. He continued. Finishing with, Dada. Turn this shit off.

Anyway, I threw it out and got a new one. This one speaks just fine. Thanks, Jha. Yeah, don't try and lie to us I don't go Speaking of lies Last episode we're like We're talking about like jarlings that leave comments

That Jim especially doesn't believe Rat technicians and all this Yeah, there's not a rat technician But a puffin said this I genuinely am an animal technician The only part of that was a lie Is that I technically only work with mice There are rats in my facility

but I don't do anything with them besides feeding them and making sure they're okay sorry for the deception to make it up to you if I ever finish this Morbius rat serum I'll make sure I'll get full credit I'll only believe this

this person when we get the Morbius serum isn't an animal technician isn't that just you've got to take care of the animals that are being experimented on well yeah there was one more line also James was kind of correct about it involving killing them Sometimes. It's unfortunately the price you have to pay if you want stuff like vaccines, chemotherapy or morbidus serums.

Well, fuck the therapy in that, just focus on the morbidus serums. It will literally fix everything. I mean, yeah. That's what the movie was about, the movie everyone rushed out to go and see. Morbin time. Goose said this. Alex's getting a taste of his own medicine with his quindle annoyance. Now he knows how James feels every time he comes up with.

comes up with a new meme. I disagree with this. I absolutely disagree with this because whenever James disagrees with one of my memes, that's content. Quindle's not content. It's anti-content. Quindle gets in the way of content. Exactly. Just like Will D agreed with saying, I'm with Alex on Quindle. Usually jar memes are way ahead of the curve of mainstream meme culture, Madagascar Eternals, but this is literally just a jar-themed re-skin of the Graggle Simpson's meme. Lame. Greggle Simpsons Have you not heard of that one? No

It's a meme from like years ago Where someone Like They did a drawing of a frame from the Simpsons With like a made up character in it No I'm pretty sure was it Was it not an actual Simpsons joke No

No it was a Simpsons It was made up It's not in the show Oh okay Like someone drew this frame Tried to spread rumors Like trying to What's that effect

Where like you think something Was a certain way But it actually wasn't doing that show or whatever. The Mandela. Yeah, the Mandela effect. But he never was a thing, and it's like a whole meme now, and then a few months ago, it, like, popped up on TikTok,

so then Zuma start doing it. Are you not a Zuma? Alex is a baby boomer. Alex is just a boomer. You're phone bird. Don't get me started on phone bed. Oh, yeah, got to address this. Wilson TV says,

You silly Willie's just uploaded the Bear Bear Bear, merch ad to Spotify. I'm forced to stare into James' lovely eyes for 80 minutes. Have they become corrected by the greedy pig idol they acquired and now refuse us full episodes? Just posting ads?

Yeah. Yeah, that was on me. Somehow I just uploaded to the Podbean or Spotify audio version. It was just an eight-second fair bear ads. It was just bye bear bear.

Totally not intentional. And the last one to end this segment From Music Lover 2 While I understand why you guys would say that Corncast was the low point of jar At the time they were some of my favourite episodes The fact that you guys kept making episodes During that extremely shitty time Made it all more bear bearable

For all your listeners Definitely means a lot Thoughts I'm glad I'm glad. It was something I still looked forward to at the end of the day. You know, especially with the separation of all social interaction. Yeah. It was nice to still commune within a virtual church instead of a real one.

The separation of goon and state. James' little opinion of yours? Yeah, what's your little opinion of yours? Looking back, I think there was a few masterpiece moments in the Korn era that wouldn't have been possible if it was done in person and I think it's a unique era of JAR and it's one that had challenges and it's one that defined us and helped us grow

which is what you have to look at Korn and the rider COVID Beep like goblin kind of challenges Vidko, the whole Vidko era you've got to look at that as nothing more than improvement because it was a miserable time for everyone. What's Vidco?

Can't say COVID, bro. Vidco. So you can blow it. Because you know YouTube guess of stuff. I thought it was like VidCon. Yeah, VidCon. We went to VidCon in 2018. People don't know because we're in disguise.

We were the 579th Battalion of the Stormcloopers squadron. yeah we were the storm cloopers that year in 2018 yeah we dressed up as um storm clupers yeah i was um i was major major melson no but honestly covid was a bad time and you we are in a better place now as jar as a result of corncast and that's the only thing you can take from it. Plus, Alex saying, pronouncing Mojave as mojovae is the funniest fucking shit in my life and it fucks me up to this day.

I don't know why that got you so bad. It was Mojave. He said Mojave. Because I didn't expect it. I didn't expect it. I didn't expect to have to say mojov. And you cut out like the 20 minutes of just me laughing, which is a shame. I'm pretty sure you cut the whole thing out, but no, because people, they know it's there.

Yeah, but I think you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you left one scream laughing and then you just cut it really disappointing. Jim? We've got something to talk about. We've got a topic or two. Oh, God. Actually bringing topics. Topic or glue? We're talking about Obi-1 the other week.

Nice. I finished it. Oh, you did? Did you? Yeah, I did. Any final thought? Quite epic. Do you like when I'm hitting Christen I'm going, I'm daffina. Yeah. Yeah, man.

I thought, you know what? This shit sucks. But it was cool seeing Obi-1 win, you know? I don't know. The thing is that the boys has been coming out at the same time. I was, like, waiting for the boys to come out.

Like, come Thursday, I'm getting, like, antsy. Like, come on, I want to see it. sort of thing and with Obi-1 I was sat there on a Thursday like I want to watch the boys it's like oh yeah

Obi-1 comes out on Wednesdays so I can watch Obi-1 and I was like I can't really be bothered so he didn't rate it overall how do you think it compared to like Mandalorian or Bob Affett or the Mandalorian

it just feels weird that I'm more excited to see, like, by episode four, I was more excited to see the Mandalorian show up in Bobba than I was seeing like Obi-1 on screen doing stuff. Yeah. Yeah, the approach was a mess. Yeah. There was something off about it, something a bit wrong. Just a wrong feeling, I don't know. I don't know how to explain it.

wait it didn't while it was like airing each week I was kind of like just like what what is it about this like lots of it's fine but lots of it's really like ridiculously not fine like so bad that it's like what what are you actually doing yeah like when there's like an energy gate

and there's like this whole scene of like we gotta get through the energy gate and then when they cut to like a wide you can see like they could just go round it with ease yeah just dumb like shit like that way it's like what is like what is this like is this trying to be like stupid saturday morning cartoon level yeah it's it guff some it's it's weird it's got an expensive cheap feeling like you can see that money's been spent on it but you can tell it's a tv show but i didn't have that problem with the mandolary

no as far as production is concerned like it didn't it didn't didn't distract me like that i guess my expectations were different but that's what it all came but down to too is like the last like week or two these articles have been coming out um revealing all kind of explaining at least to me like where this went wrong and it's like it's so infuriating to me it's so blood boiling like the decisions they keep making over there and how they they just simply cannot see that forest for the trees they fucking are they can't do it they have no idea what they have on their hands they have no idea how to handle it unless it is like just a random thing like Mandalorian that's like largely detached and even then they're like once it starts

taking off they're like oh get Luke in there get a soka in there get fucking every just just like crazy it's like man you don't know what you're doing so what I'm referencing is I've got this collider ass call up right here Obi-1 canobi was almost a movie trilogy reveals original writer um solo's lukewarm reception calls Disney to shelve the planned obi-one canobi films. Obi-Wan Kenobi writer Stuart Beattie reveals the series reuse the story treatment developed when the project was stills-flated to go to theatres in an interview for the direct. He also talks about how the scrapped Obi-1 Canobi film was initially

planned as a trilogy pointing out which plot points of the second scrap movie could show up in a possible season two. Before becoming a series, Obi-1 Kenobi was planned as a Star Wars spin-off theatrical film. However, after Solo's lukewarm reception, Disney decided to share of the project. Once Disney Plus was in place and the Star Wars train started to move into new and exciting directions with the release of the Mandalorian. Obi-Won Kenobi was also recycled into a series. BT was the first writer to work on the Kenobi project when it was still supposed to be a movie, which led him to be credited as a writer for episodes 1, 2 and 3 and 6 of the series.

As the writer explains, the show created by director Deborah Chow was based on his first story treatment. but he didn't work directly with the Disney Plus project. As he puts it, I wrote the film that they based the show on, so yeah, I spent like a year, year and a half working on it, and then when the decision was made not to do any more spin-off films after Soley came out, I left the project and went on to other things. Joby Harold, head writer, came on and took my scripts and turned them from two hours into six.

So I did not work with them at all. I just got credit for the episodes because it was my stuff. what's particularly interesting is that BT's scrapped Obi-Wan Kenobi films actually planned as the first chapter of a trilogy and BT says he already knew where to lead the Jedi Master in the following chapters of the spin-off

and that just goes into what he would have done with this trilogy or whatever but that kind of reveals all for whatever every single lesson they could have learned from solo they took away the inverse like ideas like they attributed it to like oh people

they don't want these and it's because we didn't do a deep fake young Harrison Ford like creepy looking like robots because we didn't do that and I don't know like it's just so ridiculous to me it's like

what are they want what are they expecting um I guess Marvel set a pretty bad precedent for them. A lot of their learnings will be from that. They didn't even learn from that because that was why from the beginning I was kind of like... You'd expect them to have a point. Yeah, like, yeah, they've got the top of the Disney umbrella.

They got the Marvel shit and you'd figure, oh, like, they figured how to do this shit. So we'll just, like, copy that model and do it here. But they didn't do that. They just kind of shambled together some shit. And then, like, are trying to do it now. Yeah. But I think the lesson they learned from their awful trilogy was, oh, we didn't do the Marvel shit with those three. So now we have to. Let's stick Darth Maul in solo. Let's have Asoka and Luke and The Mandalorian and Bob Affett. Like, we just need everything to connect to everything otherwise people won't be interested and there'll be no fomo otherwise, you know?

But it's not like when the Force Awakens came out, like the Marvel train wasn't already. rolling, they really knew. I'm just so confused. I don't know, man. It doesn't make sense. But I just think that the idea of turning a movie into a TV show doesn't make any

sense. Especially because a lot of the biggest problems with the show, stuff like the production and how like cheap a lot of it feels would not be an issue in a movie. It wouldn't. Because whatever you have to say about Solar and Rogue 1 the production's

pretty immense on them and they look great um aside from the weird cg deepfake stuff in rogue one that just always looks weird to me yeah it looks bad and solo doesn't have that in the same way but like 70 80% of that movie have to be re-shot so it's actually just an insane mess and it's so frustrating because now it's like oh that's another one that's another opportunity wasted yeah and now you can't do this again you can't you can't do just like a cool movie thing Yeah, I think this as a movie Could have been really good But there was like stuff

Just crammed in They were like filling it With yeah, as soon as I saw it pointed out That it was like They were like two story beats Princess Leia gets taken Princess Leia gets saved Princess Leia gets taken

Princess Leia gets saved And that's like most of the show Yeah With like the actual like Capture scenes being embarrassing with so many just like bad scenes. Yeah, and a bunch of the stories are like pretty, pretty obvious the way they show it. Um, they're being like a kind of twist thing, a reveal, I'll say with one of the villain characters.

And it's like, we've been like strung along for five episodes to find out what basically the first scene tells us. yeah like in a movie that wouldn't be like a big deal so because it would you'd hopefully yeah yeah you'd hopefully like balance it a bit better make it feel a bit more clean yeah yeah that that whole character's aspect is just like so unnecessary to me yeah just feels there's just so much filler so much fluff so much just nonsense so much silliness and not in the way you require she's almost totally pointless to the whole show Yeah. And just like repetitive feeling and like just so unnecessary.

Because if if that time had been given to a character that's given like loads of weight for some reason, like some of the rebel characters. Or Darth Vader. Or Darth Vader. Like the time could have been used better even with how much time they like extended it to. yeah i can't believe i'm feeling this way now where like the star wars stories have almost wound up being the the best things they've made out of like the pantheon of content they've released the star was stories be at rogue one and solo

oh right yeah like i because i i hadn't seen solo since it came out so i revisited it on disney plus like the other night one of my 2 a.m. movie madness moments. It's just like, it's just like a really good, just action-adventure movie. Yeah. Like, I'm Rogue One, like, I could sit and watch the climax of that movie just whenever.

It's fantastic. Even you like it. What? Rogue One. No, Rogue One is a fantastic movie from start-to-finish. Yeah, I found the boring, the movie a bit boring at the beginning. Yeah.

Well, I mean, they have their problems like i don't think like solo's like perfect yeah yeah but they like fit the bill they got their set pieces they got like fun characters there's kind of stakes surprisingly um just the music's really good both of those actually especially in solo the music's really good john powell and um Williams composed like the main theme and stuff like it's my question feels like it's what does this set for the expectations for andor Well, Andor, like, I think is fine because it's like existing in a pocket that's not trying to recapture. Just the expectations are different.

Andor is the one about... That's the next Star Wars show that's coming out. Yeah. About Cassian Andor from Rogue One. Oh, yeah. But that's what I mean, though. It's different. Like, the Obi-1 show, that is like a core central character to the whole thing.

That's the strangest thing because it feels like the Mandalorian got more love. I don't know if... Because this was in the works for so long, it was almost like a case of we've kind of put too much into it now to go back and we kind of need to just get it out. You know? It's so bizarre. It's just like to misuse you and McGregor,

the guy has really not been given a chance. Yeah. It's such a shame. Yeah, supposedly he was quite upset when he found it wasn't going to be like a movie anymore. Well, yeah. Because he would have already agreed to do it at that. point yeah and then it's like it's like what john boyaga said like i don't want to be disney plused yeah yeah you and mcgregor got disney plused wow yeah

because i feel like if they had gone through and committed to that movie idea people would see that movie man oh yeah absolutely you just have to drop the teaser we've dropped the teaser yeah yeah you have the because the prequel love is at an all-time high yeah and uh it's not like it's not reminding people of the new shit in the same way

it's not connected to the last Jedi it's not connected to any of that so people would be like I feel like people would have gone out to see that whereas solo was more of a risk anyway yeah because and it was it was the year after the last Jedi the most controversial one

right yeah but like you and McGregor that's a selling point like you and McGregor and Hayden Christensen, even though like he was criticised a lot it's changed in

like 20 years it'll be a huge deal and also going back to about the show there's surprise surprise the lightsaber fight like at the end and I thought it was really

frustrating because like well how it was executed too, yeah because you could tell they were kind of going for like a prequel style say what you will about the prequels

but like that fight scene between Obi-1 and Anakin fucking incredible it's nuts the first few minutes I'll give you yeah yeah when they're swinging around and shit whatever when they're just

like actually when they're in that like room yeah and they're swinging and stuff yeah just going absolutely insane it's like a marvel to watch you can't not be hooked to the screen it's the choreography and the music and the music and even like the way it's shot it just looks amazing and then this show it's like in a dark rocky place and the camera keeps cutting and the way they use the camera in this show like normally it's not even something i pay attention to in in tv especially but it the shaker cam stuff

It looks really bad. But it's, it looks like fake handheld. It looks like it was stationary and they've... Well, yeah, I was just wondering if that was something to try and hide how bad some of the visual effects are. Yeah. Like throwing rocks around and stuff, it's like, it looks TV quality a lot of the time. Yeah. It's such a strange place where it sits like it...

It's not right. Yeah, so it's just frustrating in terms of that. but even stuff like um when i rewatch solo the stuff that annoyed me before it's still really annoying when dothmore like he activates his lightsaber and stuff and it's just like really annoying it looks him being there i don't necessarily mind because now i'm like i'm all up on the star wars law that's what he was up to during that time was like being a crime lord right so that stuff is just i'm just like fine with it um but i don't know it's like such a fucking mess because that movie didn't do very well

they're never going to follow through with that stuff no because that's the thing I was like once the solo movie ended and they like kind of tease whatever whatever mission that like Han gets in trouble with with Jabba

whatever that is that he did for him that was like tease for like yeah we got a job on tattooing or whatever that could have been fun yeah we could have done something because it's just so fast moving like it starts on like a chase scene

with the cars and then next it's onto he's like a young um empire soldier like in the war he meets uh the other cowboy dude and then they do a heist and then there's the other heist and it's just like it doesn't stop and it's like a fun action thing i'm cool with that and they're like buddy stuff with han and chui it works chui's especially good in that movie it's just yeah i remember being being totally fine with that film especially the uh the uh the the robot sidekick character in that movie. I don't really care about the character that much, but the actual visual effects,

the actual visual effects, the way they achieve that, are really impressive to me. It's like the perfect mix of practical and CG, and it looks so convincing and realistic. Yeah. Which is just the total inverse of Obi-1. This is corny as hell a lot of the time.

I just look straight up bad But you'd think In this world It would be the opposite It'd be like Obi-1 has the big High-budget bombastic film Hans Solo gets a TV show

With like some actor Yeah I don't like I've never seen that guy And anything else He does like a bang-up job But yeah And it's just so peculiar And they I think they messed up

And they're like, yeah, they inflate that budget to over 300 million because of reshoots. And then they're like, oh, they didn't make enough. Let's just, put everything on its head and do everything different. So annoying. Mm-hmm. I think they, um, I'm just getting like random nuggets, flashbacks to the show. It ends with Obi-1 beating Anakin again. Mm-hmm.

With him calling him Darth. Yeah, spoiler alert. And then he just does the same thing. that he did before he just leaves him alive like this time adding another scar yeah slices his face yeah but also he the whole show he's like actively trying to kill him doing whatever dirty tactic he can like turning his own people against him and stuff to kill him and i don't think they did a very good job of it being like like showing why he left him alive he he's got no reason to as far as the show shows

but that was even a problem back they have like two confrontations in the show I think episode three they have a showdown and Darfader like holds him into the fire yeah yeah burns him yeah as like revenge and then just lets him go

and then just lets him go within the same city he establishes the fight like he uses the force to like make this fire wall thing yeah and then he can't walk through and then it comes back and then he just lets him go this is like what obviously that has to happen to stretch it out to be like a show

yes maybe it would have been more exciting and made more sense if it was just like a fast fast moving movie mm-hmm it's so dumb so annoying and that's that everybody hey hey yeah don't watch it hey um see after these messages Buy bear bear, buy bear, I do declare buy bear bear bear. Bear Bear Bear shirts and mug available now. Check the description below. Fuck off, I'm hot.

Take your shoes up. Good afternoon, morning, evening, all night. Jamie has tried to quit smoking, and he's successful so far, but he refuses to get into the habit of, taking his shoes off when he's in a house. He only had this habit because he was so used to smoking that

it was convenient to keep his shoes on. If Jamie's not smoking anymore from every logical step in someone's brain, it should be to take your shoes off. Helps break the habit. Welcome to the second hour for the curse where we answer questions from the community. You'll leave your own questions for us to answer.

Head over to the subreddit where there's a suggestion through it. You can ask us whatever you feel like. Just like Johnny Stevie did. Hey Mingers? I recently had a situation where I thought I was having a friendly jab at a friend but they took it very badly. How do you guys know when you're pushing your jabs at each other too far and how do you keep yourself in check? Especially James and Jamie as they like provoking each other. Cheers. We never provoke each other. Today might actually be the most provocative day like yet. When do you know you've gone too

far? Um, um when I say James please stop hitting me. that's when i know james has gone too far yeah the same no no no no no no no no quick breakdown of the interactions between me and james james i'll like slap james's arm or leg or whatever but james doesn't hold back i do no you don't when do i ever go too far uh like example you go too far on yourself you almost lit your hair on fire again today. Yeah. I can attest to that. That's not going too far myself

because I didn't actually do it. You're thinking about doing it. It's going too far on yourself. No, but I didn't think about doing it. This is the thing I don't think. I do. But how do you know when... How do I know when I've gone...

How do you know... I don't think we ever go too far. Because it's like, oh no, this is the fourth time you've taken my glass of water and spilt it on the floor outside. And it's just like, I'll just go get another one. Oh, you've taken my freshly made espresso. I'll just go get another one. I just, I've adapted to your jabs. No, we've been jabbing each other pretty bad today.

Well, you've been, you've not really been going for jabs. You've been left hooks, kicks. That's not sure you're making. It is true. were you in the room I'm not sure but James full on punched me in the arm and then continued to kick me in the leg like for just full

force no that's not full force I did kick you but I think it was an accident I didn't need to kick you Jabbin's not really my style I just for me the way I push it is by like being annoying yeah we both do that though I think I think I

I annoy you much more than you annoy me. Okay, like, give me an example. Like, I'll breathe in a certain way, and that bugs you. No, no, it doesn't. When do I have any air frustrated at your breathing? No, Alex is the noise king. He certainly does the noises that cause anger.

When was the last time I did one that, like, genuinely annoyed you? like real or annoyed you I don't know I don't think there's ever been a time with that it's hard

because it's like it's like the group chat it's like a lot of it is fake and the fact it's like fake angers

fake it's fake dramas fake jabs yeah that's the thing it's I think we're bad examples we are

because it's almost like you would never say something that would truly cut through so deep and be so malicious you never have and I like to think I've never done that so you've done it a lot but I'm going to go home

and parted no we've been friends for this long I don't like we've got the walls we know where the lines are yeah the lines were cut into the sand like when we were 15 and I pushed you in a river like that was a clear like

I'm just being a dick and when I hit you on the head with the hat with the metal bit and you made it obvious that I was being a twat yeah surely that is that like in the question itself it says they took it very badly

so whatever you did to make them take it badly that's too far yeah and you know that from then on now you know it and so like so don't do that again

whatever you did yeah And from that thing, you can sort of figure out, oh, if I did this thing, it's not the same thing, but it's like a neighbouring thing. So I probably shouldn't do that either. I think in a lot of ways, these type of things are kind of important to friend development. You learn your friends of them, it's by accidentally pushing them. I would say it's just for every person. Like, we all often talk about how the way we interact with our mom is quite different.

hmm like yeah i i can easily see if you did james j what jami does we've no because i tried it once and it didn't go well i had to apologize to my mother and everything it was the funniest thing there i'm so glad you did it it was so fucking funny like in the moment it was like really fucking funny and it is funny now and now it's a funny story at least yeah i can't remember before we've told it no but i i didn't get to where i am with my mom without it being like normalised. My mum's always talked to me very differently to how she talks to you.

Alex is the little darling. Jamie's the little shit. Yeah, Alex is the blonde-haired, blue-eyed boy. I'm the bald short, short, chubby one. I'm the family punching bag. So at some point you've got to start punching back otherwise you're just going to be punched for the rest of your life. that's that's a mega exaggeration no like I because I've I've always sort of pushed it more than you

yeah I'd say you have like banter yeah and to a degree I I think my mum or our mom babyed me more because I was like the the younger one you were getting literally bullied by Alex well I mean maybe that did play into it like so she always tried to like protect me it's like a younger sibling thing it's a common thing where it's like protective over the the younger ones so I don't know it was just like

at some point you you just develop a silly relationship well I chat like full on shit to her and she just chat shit back yeah like when I was like standing between you two the other day when we were at your house

and it was just like I'd never get away with this like level of banter I wouldn't I can't do you not find that frustrating and annoying no no

because I did my test I threw it out there no but also I don't think she could get away with saying the things to me if she said them to you no because you would interpret it differently because you're not like used to it as this

I'd be like why are you saying this to me yeah well that's the But it's like, you have that with any relationship. And for me specifically, I find it quite difficult when you're first, like, getting to know someone to have that banter. Because you've got no idea where their lines are. Yeah, exactly. Some people are more sensitive than others.

Yeah, yeah. And I never want to push to a point where I really make someone uncomfortable. Some people will just, like, lay into anyone. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, that's their personality. But I don't really agree with that. it makes you more like marmite if if that's your yeah if that's your approach to every interaction then you got to accept that some people are not going to gel with that a lot of

people are not going to gel with that but the people that do like you're going to instantly like quickly like fast forward a lot of the like early shit you know so I get it I get both approaches to be honest yeah for sure but I'm more like you I'll do it's like just putting a little pinky in the like trying to figure out what What I normally do is just be the most, like, bland person. And then you sort of see how they interact with you. And you got to be a sponge. You got to be like...

And a mirror. You can mirror how much people, like, give, you know? Yeah, yeah. Sven has this to say. Does Alex still eat for Joas? The candy from New Zealand that gave him a rush of memories after not eating them for years. Did you ever find any other foods

that have the same effect? Every now and again I bolt by them because I got to like import them because we can't get them here. And then I eat like four bags and one sitting and I'm just like gooning on memories. I love the goon.

The goon in the Joel world. No, it's great. Do you guys have like a memory food? Ham in pitters. Like a pitter, ham pitter. That sends me back to like Oh damn Life used to be so easy

Like luncheon meat I guess does it Lunching meat You know that That fagin that's like in a bear shape No no you can get it in like behind the counter At like supermarket So it's like a bear Bear ham

Yeah What do you bear ham It's like a teddy bear face but ham You know what those ones Yeah They're disgusting No I've got one lunchebles

yeah penguins baby bell penguins wow baby bell baby adult but I've had a baby bell

somewhat recently and it was like was it as rubbery as you remember yeah but less intense than I remember I remember it being

very cheesy it's because you google yourself on cheese they're probably like 0.4% cheese now yeah well the trick is they wrap it in wax

to make you think oh the wax The whole thing is just wax. It's like dairy wet. Taking the wax to the eye is actually really painful. Someone threw one out my actually in my eye. A baby bone. Yeah, the wax.

Oh yeah, yeah, because you compress it. Yeah, it becomes quite hard. Yeah, and I took one to the eye. It's like a snowball with a fucking stone in it, yeah. Mm. By a certain someone within our group. the baby bell yeah really yeah yeah that's actually triggering a memory and so's the snowball thing was it mean there was some like there were like some chabs that would they

would take their bikes and like cycle as fast as possible if it had been snowing to a certain point um in town where they knew people would be walking by this point and they had this like for almost it was like these these walls that they got behind and they'd like made all these snowballs with like stones in them and were like just whelting them at people like going by and i know because i was on my bike and went flying past and they they tried to get me but missed because i was on my bike damn man yeah no sticking stones in snowballs is actually evil like you're actual like clearly i would say that people might react terribly but i think you are you have probably some mental shit going on

if you're enjoying the pain you're inflicting on random fucking kids in school by putting stones in fucking snowballs yeah just a normal snowball fine yeah because it's just like yeah he's a bit hurt because you get in a situation

but it also depends how hard you compress the ball they're trying to make weapons over there you know they see themselves in the trenches like they're trying to let's throw this this fortnight fucking kid being making quite it's generational trauma yeah it's like generational snowballs yeah never got hit by one thankfully yeah i don't remember

yeah but we were by we were bicycle kids so we'd just we'd be gone before anyone and get us it's a risky strap but we made it through pumpkin pierre says hey jar this is a question for alex and beast since they are brothers though i'm pretty sure james has sisters so has experience with this as well i have a twin brother and up and Until the age of maybe 14 or 15, we absolutely despised each other. We would always fight over the stupidest things like laundry and purposefully try to make the others' day worse when we felt like it, deleting game files, stealing junk, etc. But at one point we just became best friends.

Now I appreciate my brother more than I could ever imagine. He is literally the perfect friends since we both understand each other very well and have the same taste of movies and games since we grew up together. My question is, did the same thing happen between Slimer and Jamie? I'm guessing I'm slimer in there. Was it different because Alex was older? And how did Jordan fare against his sisters? I was literally abused by my sisters.

It just seems like the story of every younger sibling. Yeah, you're beating the fuck up. You're tortured. You're psychologically tortured by the older sister or brother for their amusement, and they will absolutely get away with it. Yeah, and I don't know what the answer is. Fight back. No, I mean, like, you literally can't.

That's, do push-hats. That's why it's happening in the first place. Well, yeah, because you are... It's an easy win. It's a pathetic, easy victory. No, you've got to beat them. You've got to beat their mind games by being even worse. If they're, like, messing around and hiding your shit,

to flush their shit down the toilet. No, but that's what Alex did. That's like the shit Alex would do to... Like, I remember having... It was already up the ante to a really fucked up level from the beginning. Because I remember, like, throwing a Lego figure of Alex's down the stairs. And then Alex got, like, a whole set of mine and threw it down the stairs. Oh, that's really fucked up, because I would do that to your sets as well.

Yeah, but that's when I was like 15. It was like a Lego set I got when I was like 10. Like, it was annoying. But, I mean, whatever. You weren't going to, like, be in a strot because of it. Well, yeah. And I know what James is like. Like, you, like, idea in head, to do thing.

Time to do it. It was like... Well, yes, it's just like, the underwear thing. Was that, like, a funny, like, fuck, Jamie. I mean, if I was supposed underwear on it. No, that wasn't supposed to be, like, a slight against Jim at all. It was more funny that having underwear on the roof was funny. And I wasn't going to use mine, obviously.

Well, yeah, so it was against me. Only, like, only... No, because it's, like, I didn't like it. I wasn't, like, in on it. No, no. But the main motivation was to just have the funny imagery of underwear stuck on roof. Yeah. Yeah, that one is pretty funny.

That one is, like, totally harmless. And, yeah, I don't know what it is, because it was a similar age for us. Yeah. I mean, you obviously would have been older, given there's an age difference, but... Yeah. It was like around secondary school. Yeah. It's almost like in primary school,

there's there's like no there's nothing to fight against because it's all like smooth sailing really but obviously bullying and stuff happens in primary schools and you can have bad days or whatever but it's like when you reach secondary school

at least in my experience it's like this shit's hell on earth yeah like changes something else yeah like because weird horrible kids go go to our primary school.

Especially the kid, not so much in our year, I'd say, but the years above were like really rough. Or in, um, second school. Yeah. Yeah, they were bad. Like, seriously. Mm-hmm. Like, movie shit

bad. Yeah. Like the stuff you're saying about with the snowballs, these, these kids are like nuts. Yeah. So I feel like good that that's part of it it's like well we're in this horrible torturous environment we're yeah we're in this environment together we might as well like team up yeah and the thing of like liking the same things pretty much having the same taste in things yeah yeah it's just a

maturing thing yeah but that's it that that's what's interesting though is that we have younger cousins in our family um i'm 12 years older than the oldest one and they have the Same age difference, they're both boys, and they're kind of like a way more extreme version of us, it's weird, because they, like, instead of it kind of smoothing out once I got to secondary school, it seems like it's ramped up, even. Yeah, but in the inverse, where the younger ones seems to be the instigator of most. Yeah, they just, like, really don't get on. one of them is like the sporty kid with like the sport crowd and the other one likes art and there's just like conflict there yeah which is unfortunate yeah that can be yeah especially when they're getting like one of them's like i think year 11 now i feel like it was like done by

that like we weren't bicker in the same way by then yeah i mean maybe the odd like yeah like frustrated sort of showdown, but not like to the intensity of it was at certain points. Yeah. But you with your sisters, though, James. What, or how it is now, or was it back then? Well, surely there's a point, because you're like on good standing with them. You'll talk to them. Yeah, we don't talk, casual, but due to family difficulties, the relationship is quite distant now.

Well, there's not much of a relationship at all. unfortunate but that's just the way it's gone in my family but we never really got along it's like we don't share any of the same interests and it's like I think that is just like a boy-girl thing and actually you're not going to share the same same anything but it's like a completely different relationship

compared to you two that's just the way it's gone in my family though so it's probably mine the abnormal one the normal thing is that you kind of just stay in touch with your family that's the thing though like you hear just a mix of both loads of people

like estranged from their family and just don't want nothing to do with them I reckon it's probably a pretty even split yeah if not I think our family might be the more rare well it's weird

because we have we've got almost like almost like a traditional kind of like Catholic thing going on even though we're not really a religious family at all but you know that strong kind of just commitment to family values or whatever yeah without like too much drama yeah i mean i i don't really know of any drama at all in our extended family

yeah nothing to the extent of like like a member of the family that's like secluded or like siblings that won't interact yeah yeah there's nothing there's common there yeah yeah as muck. Salmon Rocks X-D sorry X-L says I'd like to suggest an idea similar to the Jar Jar in which viewers submit characters and you guys confirm or deny whether or not they are dibbys

the reason for this being that the definition of a dibby has not been clearly defined can they talk I mean in full sentences and stuff like the penguins of Madagascar are supposed to be cute I think this would be a very bad idea because there's not that many dibbies bro

you can look at any movie and you No, you can look at things and just be like, oh, it's a dibby. No, but that's because you have a greater understanding than most as to what one is. Yeah, but this is the thing, it's being asked to us. So the jar would be the most predictable thing ever. It's like Tank Dempsey is not a dibby. Yeah. Richard Hammond is a dibby.

He's kind of the divvy of Top Gear, I guess. Yeah, he's the dibby of Top Gear, but he is not a dibby. I say he's a dibby. No. Well, that's what's interesting, right? Do they have to be a side thing and have no bear bearing on the plot? Baby Yoda, Gizmo from Gremlin's and even minions. Do stuff in their stories?

Do they have to be creatures or animals? Could a human be a dibby, a baby, perhaps? Where is the line drawn? Could you go as far as suggesting that characters like Scooby-Doo or Garfield count? I admit that it feels wrong to suggest that, but they at least seem to fit some of the criteria. Sorry for the ridiculously long post. Scooby-Doo is not a dibby. No.

No, I'd say... Scrappy-Doo is a dibby. the I think the core design thought of a dibby is cuteness yeah they have to be designed to be like marketable and cute yeah yeah that is a core tenant so it doesn't really matter if they can talk or if they affect the plot or not it's like if it's designed to be cute then a that's why I objects can be dibby it's like that the I setter the BMW I setter dibby car

it's a dibby car is this pig a dibby that's tough because it looks kind of like wise and wiseness is not normally yeah a dibby but then that gets complicated

because like is Yoda a dibby yes I don't think Yoda's a dibby but baby Yoda absolutely is baby Yoda 100% is Yoda isn't cute you ugly as fuck um

but he does have dibby behaviours no but they're not cute they're funny they're funny and like a little bit like if if if he was doing the shit to you that he does to Luke in episode five

it will be just like annoying this little green old man like stealing your eating your bar would be like no fucking get off that's mine yeah that is a dibby that is a dibby quantity stealing food

argi is a dibby and he fucking stolen his pizza Aggie is a dibby and if you want a dibby Argi is for sale No he's not for sale He's free He's free

You come and take him away Um This is a dodgy name Hide the children now What are your favourite Or least favourite interactions With strangers In online games

If jarlings find you in game What should we do No no No it's just like I want to find a jarling in Apex I want to be on a scot of a jarling Because I'll be the greatest thing ever Well no because it's house

And our names are on Apex, our clan is called JAR. Jarr House. Clearly, that's me. Jarr, Mama, is clearly the milp of Jarr. And I'm what premium void? That was really obvious if you're a jail listener. Yeah, that one is.

But Mama. Nah, it's just like if you've been paired against two people, Mama and House, and they both got JAR, is probably me and Jamie. I've had that on Halo before. Like, when I've been playing the Mass Chief Collection, got in like a message and been like, oh, I like the jar

or whatever yeah now be really aggressive to us just if you're in a squad of us that's what we do there that's what they did they just kept killing me over and over again because I'm not that good so it's just like just shitting all over me and teabacking me that's normally no that's that's not not what to do like yeah let us boost kills on you yeah yeah invite invite me to like a 2v1 lobby in a in um one or 3 2 and let me get a new coffee you What about like Favorite or at least favorite interactions with strangers?

I don't like interactions with strangers I've had some good ones on Apex Angry European people No, Europeans are so funny because they're so quingy They don't realize how cringy they are But they're so funny I was in a really horrible way When I was playing Apex the other day

I was like playing as caustic And like I was doing like The cringy voices and impressions and it was like really pissing this guy on it and he kept like doing the mimic thing like just doing like something cringy I would say back yeah and I was like keep muting to like laugh

yeah that's that's some of my favourite on your your your your your favorite is yeah pretend it's on destiny that's pretending to be go that's that's yeah that's my thing on it started in um rainbow six god rainbow six had the worst oh my god they were actually the worst community horrible horrible people um but my thing would be like getting to a lobby instantly type like hey

i'm a gamer girl and i'll be like um don't judge me if i'm bad lull and like the simps the simpism it was like the cringiest shit dude well what people do i message you are no the worst one was on Apex when I was playing with James. We have explained the story. The guys are like, oh, you're just playing hard to get. When he's at that. And he was like, put your mic on. I can see you've got a mic.

And I was like, I don't like this. We were just fucking pissing ourselves in the Discord corner. It's just like, this is disgusting. Like, I really feel sorry for actual girl gamers. Yeah. It's like. I understand like not like including it in your profile in any way.

Yeah. Gosh, yeah. I wouldn't. Especially if you're into games like Apex or Card or C or whatever. Which obviously, no, it's like, there's like a 50-50 split. It's not all guys. That's not the case at all. There's a lot.

There's a lot. There's a lot. There's no way it's a big split. No, I admit that there's probably a lot. There's no way it's 50-50. But it's not like a 10%. It's not like it's, there's no girl gamers. It's just games.

You can't blame them for like not wanting to. Oh, yeah. No, no. Yeah. Like, why does your gender have to be in, in part? of it. Well, that's the, that's the beauty of video games and being social on them.

Mm-hmm. It's like, you can reveal or not reveal as much as you look. Yeah. That's why I always, always lean to just being a little, little trickster. You are absolutely a trickster. Yeah, give you any amount of anonymity and you're just fucking with people. Just on the wind up. Yeah, the thing is, you should be doing it in real life as well.

No, because there might actually be repercussions in real life. Like, you might upset the wrong person. You might upset a Yakuza member. At least, oh, but then again, I've read just the other day I was reading about someone who, like, he got so irrationally angry at someone who, like, teabagged him in Counterstrike. He actually hunted him down and murdered him. Like, he actually killed him. I have a fucking counter.

the strike yeah people get the thing is is like i understand being like really angry at that sort of thing because it can be frustrating like you didn't even deserve that yeah yeah and you're like playing the mind games in your head like oh if this was a one v one i'd destroy him oh it's nothing to do with me my team is not propping me up whatsoever it's like okay my ego save, but if you get angry enough from a game where after it's all said and done

you've turned off the game, you're actually hunting someone and you're like finding them across the country. It's like... Uh-huh. How have you stayed angry for that long about that thing? Yeah. Sure you get to the plane to buy tickets, you know, like

no, this is not worth it. This is just a teabagging, like, why am I spending $300 to go fucking murder a guy? yeah I mean I've never I've never been teabagged in a game and like remembered it past the end of that match yeah you just leave and it's just like blank screen apex pack yeah boom but I mean even then it almost becomes like a fun little meta game in and of itself sometimes like no elder wing it's just like when you fuck a guy up you do that you yeah when the same guy keeps like invading and they got the same name and like yeah these little rivalries form but it that's all it is that it's just like a game it's just like a game It's like, that's what it always is to me. It never really gets under my skin too much unless like, I've had some bad ones on destiny where people are just like, they've been such assholes, such dicks, just for no reason. Just like, whenever like you die and you have to like wipe the squad wipes, like the stat screen

will come up and be like, show who's doing what damage. So if you are the one not doing like the right amount of damage, they're like, then it's like swarm on guy yeah just be a dick to that guy what are you doing the fuck you actually doing so let's just chill out it's supposed to be like a team a team building exercise it's just a fucking that's what it comes down to because like when people fail it's like can't be my fault i'm perfect yeah it can't be me i've grinded it for 100 hours to get this helmet it cannot be me I've got a gun that is better than theirs It's not me

Touch grass Yeah just accept being shit at video games Yeah being shit at video games is great But to answer the question for me Dark Souls Fight Clubs Eldon Ring co-op That's like the best it gets Yeah

Yeah because we finally We made that little video about Eldon Ring Like invaders and stuff We're over that hump now Yeah we're in the we're now at level where when people invade us and try and fight us, they're getting sworn by like three level, like, 55s. It's just like, we'd be able to.

Sometimes they just give up because they're, like, clearly looking for it. We've had people not even, like, try to fight us and just kill them off the edge. But I guess they know that. It's just like, they're clearly just trying to play the game together. So they're just like, okay. Well, it's not what I want to.

I'm going to kill. Yeah, I respect those people. Yeah. That's because we were at the way a Lukari Academy where it's like an actual fight place. Mm-hmm. And they just see us and then like, oh. racing games are pretty bad for the hash it as well

really yeah because it's just like oh he overtook me so I'll slam into him the next corner and ruin his just ruin it for both of you yeah but then it's just like then you become so good of deflecting it you just um you take a wider line so they just go straight past you into the barrier and it's like nice that is lame that's such a like pathetic well if I'm going down you're going down too so annoying And when they Ray tried to take you down with them and they fail They get angry at you

For you having the intelligence to avoid them So that was always like How I knew I'd got under someone's skin As if you get that message Yeah If you've annoyed someone to the way No it's on the Xbox 60 when it was a voice message That's the gold

All the pictures That was like the golden era Oh no No, the best year was Modern Warfare 2 Because obviously When games are good When you create a match You enter the pre-game lobby

With the same people She'd have these 10 matches Are just like the most vile Like angry gamer stuff But it was funny Because by like 10 You were kind of like friends Yeah, that was

Wondon Warfare 2 also lined up With like pretty extreme era internet too Yeah Like no filters Just total Bedlam Yeah but when the mic quality was bad

so nothing was ever clear. So it was just funny. They didn't have like, like just band features in the way you do now where it's like way more about limiting interaction now. Like certain words of band. It wasn't like that. And speaking of actually,

Kiani meme says, can you guys do a cod campaign tier list? I can't really partaking this. Okay. Okay, I, you guys. Number one, number one, Black Ops. Really? Black ops.

That's the one I did play. That's had a very good campaign And it was fun And you play Black Hobbes? What the hell? Yeah When? Even did some of it on a veteran

That was a stupid idea That game is horrible and veteran All those colds It was awful, terrible design Terrible. So I'd probably say Black Ops 1 I'm not

I'm forgetting all the later Cards like advanced warfare Because that's when the campaign really dipped off So I'd probably say Black Ops 1 The original Cod 4 And a very good campaign

Yeah Modern Warfare 2's got to be up there Modern Warfare 2 Just goofy and fun Actually no I'm going to change this a little bit Black Ops 1 Black Ops 2 Cod 4

Modern Warfare 2 Call of Duty 2 Big Word 1 Call of Duty 1 Finest hour And then Mono Fair 3 onwards And he agrees or disagrees there I disagree with Black Ops 2

I think Black Ops too has a great amount of replayability, but your beef of it is the advanced is like the future thing. You got sick of the future setting a lot quicker than everyone else. That was the second I saw that, I was like, oh. That's just the way Cards are going. Yeah. But I think that game has some good old Black Ops era. It does.

But that stuff I loved in the campaign, the second it was like future stuff from the last levels, you're in like a jet or something. Yeah, it sucks. It was really bad. But I had good replayability because it had like options and branching stuff. Yeah, that stuff's cool. I think for that it is quite a good campaign, but it's just not Black Ops One.

Black Hot Summer's just creative and had the best everything. I thought you didn't mind the Modern Warfare reboot? Maybe not as far as a story, but like level design or whatever. Yeah. It had some interesting bits. I'd probably say that's like, the same level as big red one

it's just got some stuff that's like this would be really interesting if you took an interesting stance in any way but you're depicting this stuff and I don't think

your heart's in the right place it's more about just like what's a cool set piece it's just to do with that edgy modern warfare aesthetic of being spec ops and going in and all that it's necessary it seem like a game

like modern warfare too got that tone more right if it's going for the stupid that's when it made the flip like after black ops is when it made that goofy um michael bay flip like black ops one was so serious and it was like funny for that there was a bit silly but like the original cod for does that spec ops story super well because it it's like it has its like kind of silly bombastic moments but it's kind of believable like all gillied up is like a let one of the most legendary emissions in any game because it did it well because it was no bombastic it was there was nothing and that's what made it good because you were sneaking it was the change of gameplay and that's what

made gave that level like it's atmosphere and how tense it was yeah and that game just did everything well from an outsider's perspective it does seem like the first modern warfare is like the one yeah yeah and just the way they handled story in turn with monomorfare one it doesn't irk me in the same way there's none of this like they're trying so hard to be serious and dramatic and cool with the new monomorfer with the original it just sort of felt like like this is just it this is these guys doing these missions yeah the tone was a bit more appropriate and i think the thing that campaign does is the contrast between the specops SAS team and the American team

where it's just like the logic's not there they're going into a place where they know there's nooks like full yeah let's go and it backfires it's like that story has more beats to it and it's like the whole AC1 30 mission isn't supposed to be fucking cool it's like you're literally murdering people in a gun ship like

it's supposed to echo will footage to be like this is fucked up like Ray Civic does a good video on the whole game that it's worth watching if you yeah that is a really good video yeah like that that that and I know they remastered And it's probably the one to play

If you want to play the story But that is like the pinnacle cod campaign For like the modern era So what I liked about Black Ops Was having it be the like period piece thing Yeah Whereas I was kind of put off the like It's been like too close to home

The modern warfare thing to me Yeah Yeah Black Ours does that very well And I think it has just the way The dramatization and all the like Cold War brainwashing Russian brainwashing stuff

Yeah that's fun That's making it like kind of pulpy Yeah and it's yeah I love that game yeah I've absolutely love it the only problem we're trying to replay it now is it's like also I didn't mention world at war

yeah that's probably World of War is quite good as well but PC port is terrible yeah that's the thing it's like even with Black Ops that PC port is not that quite yeah it's more playable though yeah but Cod4 is just the one that's the cod to play because it's got the characters all the characters generally

cool. Cut in voice. iconic. Or on these kind of lines, Team Actamel says, Howdy, lads? I remember you're watching you're as bad as they say,

Vid, on Red Dead Online and being as hopeful for the game as you were. Unfortunately, since then, Rockstar have all but abandoned the game. Do you still check in and play it every once in a while or has it completely died for you too?

Thanks. No, that's done. Yeah. Yeah, after my latest play-through, I started popping in every now and again. and I was like they started doing something and if they had just kept going

yeah they just abandoned shit by now they got they got gooned they were like they got gooned by the the fucking revenue GTA was making nothing but it's a thing nothing will ever compete with GTA 5 online yeah no game in the future

will ever make GCH5 online I don't get why they just go why they just abandon it instead of seeing like there's still money to be made It's just not all the money. Yeah. Like, what is wrong with that? But they could put those devs on GTA.

Yeah, and that's what they did. And maximise more profit. Mm-hmm. It just seems crazy, though, is to abandon a community like that. Yeah, yeah. It's not like Red Dead's, it's like different markets. It's different... And Red Dead dudes, Red Dead fans really dedicated.

Like, they love it. Yeah, there was so much potential there, but I think... I actually, the other day, checked. on the um red dead online like subreddit and that it's sad man people being like it's nearly a year anniversary since the last update what do you think they're going to do what do you think they're going to drop for the year don't get your hopes up man new can of beans that's what you're going to get yeah the thing you know it it was fun as hell when we played it but apparently even red dev ones like online is like more lively in terms of

we played the hell out of that stuff no that was the type in the year where it was just like there's no content you have to make your own fun and we made our own fun yeah it was true sandbox shit yeah yeah yeah with like really light

kind of progression you could get the new horses and stuff and you start with a donkey or whatever it's kind of fun it was just like right on the dunk on the zayut zebra it was also like broken like they're just like modders and fucking hackers everywhere well yeah we all have modders

I use Moria Go guns Yeah Hi Man Um Let's do this one from Mako Tunigima 11

Did any of you ever go through an edgy right wing Anti-SJW phase when you were younger I personally did And looking back it was quite embarrassing Stick him up replied to it saying Early Jarkas a little bit But that was pretty much everyone in 2016

I did Yeah I reckon we all did No but I think I was the most obvious Like Yeah fuck these SJWs Fuck these cringe Feminism

More like fucking lame Forget man It was just all content online Was just that Around that era Everyone partook in it And it was like a case of It was kind of

I wasn't educated On politics And it's like Obviously now I'm gonna look back And be like Yeah I was stupid Like now I've got very concrete beliefs and that i i am the way i am and i i truly believe in what i feel but also stuff

felt more explosive back then it was like like a domino effect but every dom the next domino was always bigger but that was kind of like early like was joe rogan was going crazy um the the intellectual dark web was forming Your, um, like, your Dave Rubens and shit that were, like, building this platform off this idea of, like, humongous is, like, just the start. Yeah. That kind of stuff where it's just like... That's the thing, like, the, the woman that said humongous was assaulting her or whatever.

She did a disservice to, like, the... To assault. you know saying that him making a joke about being fat yeah it's like so so then you see that thing and then suddenly anyone

like yeah it gets put under that that banner yeah it always happens it's like the the vocal minority often it just like is used as the example to dictate an entire group of something

even though obviously it doesn't work like that and it's way more complicated and not that simple what I would says it's like we were all cringy in that era but if you're still watching

SJW cringe compilations in 2022 Ben Shapiro owned compilations yeah just like look at yourself in the mirror come on do better like if that time's past you know get some sense it is but this is why people need to realize

that it was like it's just that drama the other week um libs of TikTok or whatever it's huge this content it never went away no it's still there it just became a they've become like Stephen Crowder's like a huge channel he's got like yeah four million subs and he's but i feel like it's it's like a pendulum swing thing

so the well now there are actually examples of like the other side i guess yeah even that it's just so like it's so like extreme it's always extreme it's never like it's the internet so all the all the titles are like as extreme and eye-grabbing as possible it's yeah the lips of TikTok society's crumbling light year is an example

of society falling apart and it seems it begins there with any type of products you can't assume the most what you see is like all left or all white then the most extreme

fucking loud groups and it's just like most people especially because like this stuff online it's so dictated by what's happening in America especially like it doesn't necessarily reflect like what's going on here even though there is like just a constant bleed over

and it does bleed over into real life and kind of weird fucked up ways but that whole like real edginess craziness for me like the big turning point was when these like actual terror attacks started happening in the name of like these memes and that kind of extreme like oh it's like

fuck that it's something to definitely there's those of videos on it like diving into like the weeds and some what is coming on these websites and all this yeah it's something you kind of need to become educated on because obviously there's genuine real within this SJW

ionic meme culture that is very real radicalisation that is leading to people being killed and this is a serious thing and people need to fucking identify when they're consuming stuff that leads there because Facebook is super bad for it now. And it's just identifying when it starts to become not

a meme shit anymore. But like right when you like convince yourself that that's just done or whatever, you'll stumble across some random like super cringy Twitter profile that's like if you found yourself on this account, just know at the time in SJW counter

destroyer. Like I found one like a few months ago and I say well I guess people are still still on this one. Yeah. I feel like there's a type of person that looks back and can never think that they were wrong ever. Yeah. It's like, well, I believed it, so I have to believe it.

I feel like that is a part of radicalization. Like, you can't go back on something you believe. Yeah, it's a fucked up thing. Mm-hmm. Like, because stuff moves so far, like it's, like, five years ago, what was expected and what was said online is even crazily different to now, let alone even further than that. Yeah. Especially when you are, like, a teenager or your early 20s, like, you are a moron. Yeah.

You're actually so dumb. Yeah, I was thick as shit. Yeah, and when I'm 40, I'm going to think, man, when I was 24, I was so stupid. at least you hope so so stupid well i'm i'm 25 in like a few days and i'm already thinking man when i was 24 i was so done you know it's always about looking back and like actually self-reflecting yeah not like critiquing yourself but just using your experiences and perspective to sort of ground yourself well speaking of like red dead i remember like when that game come out there are these weird videos

there's like a section with there's like a civil rights like protest in that game and there are these videos of people like tying up women from the protest and putting them on train tracks and it's like yeah it's kind of sad that the term SJW is even a thing because social justice really should be something you want yeah you actually want but it's it's just like the phone bad thing where it's like real like true points are still like valid even if it's become this like weird meme thing yeah just any like discourse politics online it's just an actual fucking shit show man actually just got to attach it's also wacky though considering like we've been mentioned this like it's kind of been a trend lately but the internet we

grew up on was so fucking edgy yeah holy shit and that shit does have an effect it all does like the media you consume and one a lot of it is edgy jokes on the internet it's like it's like desensitization to feelings i don't know the thing the thing to remember is that the way they a lot of far white stuff now gets you as memes memes of the entry point if you you can portray a somewhat far white view as a really light-hearted meme if people are retweeting that and they don't see there is it can be more

so it starts it's all mean memes are the way it's all done now you've got to be fucking aware of what these memes are meme tracks more necessary than ever yeah what you're saying because it's I've seen them before it's like oh it's just a meme yeah but you're normalising

Yeah, it's the irony defense or whatever. Yeah. Like, where is that line? Where is the end? And I don't know. I can't give you an answer. Honestly, just anime. Just remove yourself from anime communities and you'll probably...

It's always the anime PFP. No, it is because it's like you've got to remember, 4chan is an anime website. It might be known for B, but it starts as an anime website. So naturally there's a huge overlap between people who like... I love anime and the far white. That's it, James is getting cancelled. But two, I love anime.

Who doesn't nowadays? I love Initial D, I love Dragon Ball Z. Let's do one more. Let's do one more. Oh, no, I know that one. How about this one? Okay. I feel like you guys have got a more and more pessimistic over time,

as you don't really seem to be excited for Stargate, which is sad to see. see. I guess they meant Starfield? Stargate. I'm very optimistic. Wait, is that the end of the question? That was it.

First of all... No, you can't be optimistic about Bethesda games when they're so frequently just so shit. He might actually just mean Stargate, though. That's what Stargate was like a TV show from... Yeah, where like the Stargate opens. you go through like a portal.

Then there's an alien. Is Stargate coming back? Yeah, I guess so. I'm really optimistic about the Stargate. I would agree with what they said for James. What do you mean? You've got a five-year plan.

Do you know that's a joke? No, it is honestly... James honestly believes that the world is coming to a close in five years and you need to prepare. No, no, no, no, no, no. So, okay, so the five-year plan has been a weird kind joke. in outside of YouTube

where it's like we'll have a discussion and I will just say our five year plan fuck it which is and it's been and it's like basic it's like an Iwanic nihilist like

EU edgy type thing yeah really much but this was saying though about like the irony thing but we've got to be honest like climate change is going to start smacking us bad within the next 15 years

This is the pipeline James always goes on there. No, no, do you disagree that within 15 years, we're not going to feel the effects of climate change? Yeah, 15 years, that beats five, man. No, but you agree that it's going to happen and that there's going to be droughts, there's going to be floods, it's going to be pain. Like, that's a reality we can't escape from. So fuck it, by law rules, set up websites, drift, five-year plan. It won't be quite the same. it will be like

no this is the thing we don't actually know what's going to happen the research and the the predictions we don't know if they're going to come true because it's like

we're dealing with real shit here we can predict the best we can but we don't actually know what the actual event what about when 2030 when we find a Prothian artifact on Mars I will

well in that case the eight year plan is we we've then the Asari will be here. Given a couple zeros on the end. Yeah. Yeah, when the Asari show up, then that's game over.

No, but it's just like the whole five-year plan, besides being on it, it's like, the next, the next five years of your life should be the most optimistic and that you should enjoy those five years the rest you can. You might not have five years after that. It's supposed to be the, like, takeaway of everything everywhere all at once. Where, like, it starts with, like, a character that's like, nothing matters. This is fucked. And then it ends with them being like, nothing matters, this is fine.

Yeah, exactly. Everything's fucked. But it's always fucked, you know? It's always been fucked. Yeah, and it's going to be fucked from here on out. But it's like, as long as I'm not getting fucked, it's fine. There was never a time where it wasn't fucked. It's just now we're like, we're always seeing all the fuckery that's happening all the time.

Yeah, so you're never giving yourself a chance away from it. Social media bad. Oh my God. social media bad um five year plan i'd say i'm more optimistic now than i was when i was younger okay no there's ways to kate like i'm optimistic about myself

i'm like yeah no life's good but i'm not optimistic about what i see yeah well yeah it's it's like me as an individual why am i why would i be carrying like the weight of all of humanity on my shoulders so i can only do so much I'll do what I can behind beans can in the recycling

I've done my bit I'm done there I'm gonna drive my diesel my one mile to the gallon sports car

to Tesco every day yeah to get like a bag of beans to them recycle the beans I'm doing my bit I'm gonna sit in the McDonald's car but revving my engine don't

no no no no don't don't do you know that No, we honestly went to McDonald's and this fucking stupid kid in this stupid shitty fucking diesel sea at with no front bumper mind had no fucking front bumper every so often was wedlining it

But then he started this whole thing Where like ten cars were going It was like definitely loud So we were there about half hour And literally the car was running the whole time He was webbing it It's just like I just want to take a fucking Molotov cocktail

and fucking set his dumb little shitty sea out on fire because no, he's being a cunt like unnecessary pollution because he's fucking moving a shitty fucking little black sea at I know your number play you dickhead Did you memorize it? Yep, cool

And it's like what, no, no honestly If you go to McDonald's turn your fucking car off Turn your fucking car off Honestly I can No we got it We gotta end on this one And you need to be here James

Because it references you. Oh shit, this was huge. No, this is like, instead of Stargate or whatever that you meant. This guy actually has some feedback about our Starfield discussion, which we can handle. Oh, I need a pin. James Erick says, I commented this on YouTube, but I wanted to leave it here as well. Since I'm a piece of shit glutton for attention from people on the internet who make a weekly podcast. Sorry if this isn't, whatever.

On the scope of the game, this is in reference to Starfield, Togg claim the maps are indeed planetary scale and you can land anywhere on them. They're using procedural generation, but he claims if you want, if you don't want to land on the less curated planets, you don't have to. He did preface, however, that the game has more handcrafted content than any of their previous games as 200,000. Games had like none. It had 200,000 plus voice dialogue lines, which is about twice as much as Fallout 4 or triple

that of New Vegas. And I think that includes those games with their DLC. I thought the comment that James made on the leveling system was a bit weird, saying it looks worse than New Vegas's systems, which gave so much freedom in making builds. But it's basically just Skyrim's system, question mark, which is known for the variety of builds you can create. Definitely more known for its character build potential than New Vegas. The weirdest part of the discussion to me was about how you guys talk about the gameplay, saying games like Outer Worlds and New Vegas or Skyrim have shit gameplay and that Starfield may be similar. What's this uber vague gameplay you're talking about in reference to those games? Is it gunplay? Because that's not entirely, not the entirety of gameplay. When people say

nobody plays these games for the gunplay, they are saying that other parts of the open world Bethesda RPG are so alluring that the subpar combat isn't enough to dent their experience. Do you play Bethesda games for their combat? Or do you play them for their sense of discovery, that feeling when you find a new dungeon or character or quest or weapon, that addicting gameplay loop of I'll just complete one more quest. Or do do you not consider any of that gameplay? And with all that said, I feel the combat in a Bethesda game are adequate enough to feed into the rest of the gameplay loop, at least to some extent, except for oblivion and its awful level scaling. Starfield looks like the best the combat's

ever been in one of Bethesda's games. The animations look pretty good, and there seems to be more verticality in combat with things like jet packs and low gravity. People keep complaining that the shooting isn't like Doom Eternal or whatever, when shooting is most of all that Doom has going for it, as well as them being completely different genres, whereas combat is just one system in something like Starfield. So yeah, obviously, I'm a bit more interest in Starfield than you boys, not to say I have concerns. With Bethesters past, I especially worry the performance will still be an annoying problem.

The scale, the deepened RPG elements, the customization, the leap in tech from their previous games, and a clear inspiration from RPGs of the past like Dagofall are reasons enough for a BGS fanboy pussy bitch like myself to be interested. Thoughts. Okay, so there's caves, there's abandoned buildings, how do you get

between the two? What things are there in between those? Monsters, enemies, the gameplay between going to location to location is the gunplay

or the melee play. But the gameplay is all of it and all of it is boring. In every Bethesda game. No, and the Eldon Ring has hired. highlighted this like what's the sense of discovery when every single thing is popped up on your

mini map you know like nothing is designed to be missed it's all just put out there you know i think it's more of a thing of like i don't care when i find a new like gun or sword or whatever in these games because when you're using it it feels shit yeah it's like fall out four the whole the whole the whole thing about fall out four is like the craft book like you said that one of the best things about it was the building weapons. The weapons feel like fucking shit. So why would I go out my way

to craft these weapon upgrades when it feels like shit? Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Like, the loop can fall apart when one bit is shit. It's not good. Like Metal Gear Solided the whole

weapon crafting thing and that gameplay was fun. But again, that that was like an optional thing. There's enough stuff going on. Metal Gear was propped up by its gameplay. It's world and disguised. was the weak bit.

There is an inherent satisfaction to like discovering places in Bethesda games. Like the whole thing has with Bethesda games and it's like I'm specifically going to reference New Vegas is that it's like environmental storytelling. You go into a shack and it tells you a story. Metro Exodus does this very well. Yeah. Really well. And it's like you, that's why you go to these locations because you're getting like you're

building the world of these little stories. but I found that especially in Fallout 4 that didn't interest me at all and I'm not going to play the shit gunplay to get to these bits when they're not that very good so you're just doing really kind of subpar shit hence why that game is just

mediocre and it's like the thing about if they're generally saying that that's bullshit the whole first part of that of what Todd had said is bullshit like let's be will the planets could be planet size but there's going to be one location on them like why would you go when there's nothing there

There's no environmental story-telling stuff or whatever. But that's just like no man's guy. It's like that does not appeal to me because it's clearly not going to be crafted the same way New Vegas was. New Vegas, small map filled with interesting things. Loads of different planets are not going to be interesting to me. Why should I go into that planet?

Why? What's going to draw me in? New Vegas drew me in because it was like, abandoned thing. You go in there. There's a whole story about the robots that, and all this camera. Yeah, whatever, you know what I mean?

you need to be sucked into an environment to want to go explore it when you just see a cave in sky and it's just like it's a mine like what unique story is going to be told in that mine yeah especially when the stories a lot of the time they can have a good story attached to this cave but if it's just like opening a note and reading it it's kind of boring yeah that's kind of like a review

of your imagination more than the game you're filling in so many of the blanks it's like so what so like what part yeah am i giving credit to yeah and and like which which bit of this big like round thing that is the gameplay is really propping it up because in my experience with bethester it's not the narrative it's not how you engage with the narrative through like dialogue options because they're but they're both not very good. The, like, when walking from place to place,

like, they don't, they don't have interesting movement systems. Mm-hmm. Like New Vegas, we all agree the gameplay shit. We all agree, like, it's shit.

Yeah, it's all shit apart from engaging with the narrative. That's why, and that's why you play. Yeah. And the, the,

the, uh, the, the, uh, the, the, the, uh, the, the, uh,

never did that white. It's not engaging to do that to, engage with the narrative but the game plays the same as new Vegas so it's also shit it also just starts for me at just a a game feel thing it's like a big deal for me and the games the games notoriously run horrendously though yeah like really weird frame rates inconsistent frame rates and then when you put on top of that like the way that AI interacts with you and like it's yeah i get like yeah i saying that you can enjoy it while admitting that the actual

the gunplay is bad but like you're doing a lot of gunplay a lot if it makes up like 50 to 70% of the game that needs to be the best thing of the game because it's what you'll do most and Bethesda have never done that well

but something like Eldring as you said does all of that yeah really well the game feel is amazing because they've stuck with a formula that works and they've just improved that. So it's just going to be good because they got experience of that system. Yeah, they nailed exploration with that.

So that's the main thing. Like the main reason I compare Eldon Ring specifically because there are other open world games like James said Metal Gear, which is held up by its gameplay. There's The Witcher, like New Vegas, totally held up by the narrative. But the other open world game

that is held up by exploration, which hadn't really existed I didn't think until Eldon Ring because like the Witcher had like exploration but it was handled

in a very different way where you just go to like it was more like the Arkham thing your vision thing yeah well you go to the signpost and then once you get that it just puts everything on the map

whereas like Skyrim you need to sort of walk out into the wilderness and then when you get close enough to something it pops up on your compass but I guess it works in the Witcher because you playing as Geryl in that world.

Yeah, going to the thing as a bounty hunter, you know, richer. Makes sense. Yeah. So that's something I never really engaged much with in the Witcher. I did the quest and the mainstice.

I did like explain because the world was good. That's definitely the thing that like when I'm specifically talking about it in the way what I'm looking for, that's why I couldn't get into the Witcher personally is because that core gameplay was not like scratching an issue just like for that forwarded. Yeah And Then you've got like

Farquai is another example of like It not doing any Like Farquay What open world game What is there to engage you there Well the thing with Farquay Is that it It has decent gameplay

Game feel as much They feel pretty good So that's that's enough But then you get tired of that Because it doesn't do anything new Yeah Yeah But like Farquy

Because it fails In like exploration And stuff like that Like Farquy 3 had the the characters. Yeah, that's why it was the one that did it. Yeah, it was fresh at the time. Yeah, like, I was over Skyrim by the time I finished Skyrim.

And, like, I'm glad people are excited, and I'm glad people like Bethesda Games, but to me, it's just, like, it's like tasty jam spread way too far on a massive bit of toast. Yeah. You know? So it's actually just kind of dry and kind of, kind of. It rubs the root through your mouth, just the wrong way. Because I feel like the way we game now is we all have a certain itch and we all have a game that itches that itch perfectly.

We have that shooter kind of really satisfying gameplay itch. Apex, we just play Apex. If you want that world and that, we play Elder Wing. So we have those games and is Starfield going to itch a specific itch we have? No, because there'll be games that do the specific itch is better. yeah and Bethes are not having a very good run at the minute they've really not proven themselves and like I can I can admit at the time Skyrim like

as much as I don't like it it was a big deal in 2011 massive deal for the time I think is that surely there's going to be a huge Skyrim thing this year because it's the 11th anniversary and judging it announced on 11 for 11 11 11th anniversary should be the big one but they're probably not they'll just re-release it

I think that's probably one of the things that was not helpful to Bethesda was their commitment to sticking to Sky Room with all these remastered and relaunches not good I don't know let us know your thoughts on

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