Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 543: Potpourri Episode

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews Mark Henry's Biography & plays Guess The Program! Also, Jim talks about retro figures, the feels, Mr. Met, Dustin Rhodes, listener questions, and much more! Plus Jim reviews last week's Smackdown! Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Cornett. The keys to the future held by the past and with tag deep art. The podcast that never ends, we're so glad that you could attend because today is a Pele-Pourri edition of the Jim Cornette Experience. We're going to talk about the new wrestling that stinks and the old wrestling that smells like purdy flowers. And joining me, Hawaii and Brian the podcasting Lion,

the King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. co-host to you, he's a breath of fresh air and a sea of smelly stagnant shows. The great Brian last, everybody. Aloha, Jim, a pleasure to be here once again. We'll see how smelly this one is. By the time we're done, I don't even know what we're going to talk about today. Well, it's going to be a few things.

I'm afraid to move. I'm, if I move. If you move, if, ooh, oh, I wish I could say it. Let's see if I could only say it on the radio. I'm afraid to move. I should be doing this podcast in a straight jacket, maybe with a muzzle, because I got the Jimmy legs. I got the yips. They call it crazy legs, not Jimmy legs.

Well, I call it the Jimmy legs. You want to be associated with it? You never saw that Seinfeld. Well, I saw the Jimmy episode, yes. Well, no, there's also the Jimmy Lay. You got the Jimmy Legs. See, what I'm talking about, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. I hope, hopefully no children are present during this performance.

I usually stop it, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, well, you know, just for, just for the sake of I'm registering that maybe you ought to send the kids to bed early. And Brian last, you, Brian. have been browbeating me and just berating me because of my movements and my noises. If I click my pen, what the fuck is that? Or if I tap, sometimes I get emotional and I make a point on my desk or I'm doing things. I'm moving around. I'm enjoying life.

I'm living and breathing and out there. front of everybody. And you want me to sit here silent and immobile. And I'm not supposed to smack my lips, ladies and gentlemen. And also, I got a tooth that's been knocked. The front tooth that's been knocked out three or four times. I mentioned it in the past. It's got a post in it as big as goddamn telephone pole.

And every once while it vibrates, I got, oh, God damn it. Shut down the show. cornet's making noises again you should have heard about the time of the day I had the farts that's why I sit on a pillow now here to muffle it's like the old detective movies in the 40s when they put the pillow in front of the gun to muffle the shot

that's why you never hear me fart ladies and gentlemen are you finished I'm just I'm for the record all right go ahead and record for the record the record, my concern is the listener. My concern is the listener's experience while listening to the show, whether they're on the train, in their car. The train was your first option?

Well, I used to listen to a lot of stuff on the trade. If you're on a fucking train, how much goddamn, how many gardeners can you hear on a podcast? Well, you're on a goddamn or chew-choo, choo, that's one of the secrets to our audio success. We prepare for the Long Island Railroad. If you edit for that, you're good for the rest of the world. I just, but no, you could be anywhere.

You could be in a plane. You could be running. You could be doing all sorts of traffic, angry. The audio experience has to be good. Running from someone who's angry at you in traffic and trying to run you down with a car. I didn't say that, but once again. It's possible. It's possible.

It's a wide world out there. Our listeners are doing a wide array of things. What do you think the chances are that both the guys, driving the car about to run down, the guy running from him, are both listening to our podcast at the same time. Would he regret it? The driver, would he regret it if he discovered that the man he ran down listened to the same podcast?

Oh, I thought would you mean he regret it if he was listening to our podcast? No, why would he regret that? Unless it was your show. Unless it was your show. Oh, come on now. No, but my point is I care about the ears and the listening. experience of the listener. I want them to have a pleasant time listening to our nonsense, not to hear people chewing, all sorts of noises.

I'm not chewing anything. Sometimes it sounds like you're Keith Moon over there. Oh, let me tell you about Smackdown. Oh, shit, I just knocked a bunch of shit over. It'll be fine. I'll fix it later. I'll be on mute for a second. Well, anyway, while Brian is over there mute, you're making it a mute, that you see, ladies and gentlemen, what I have to put up with here when we do this, this fight out, put my pen down. Oh, God damn it. Sounds like...

I've hurt my hand a little bit over there. Put it over there. Did you hurt yourself? Yeah, I bang this thing really fucking hard. Hey, uh, also some modulation. I got to stay on top of all these things because I am not only the voice of the listener. I am the person who cares about the listener. I am the guiding light to make sure that your listening experience is stellar. and I'll be here a week. Well, thank you, Captain Lou last, the guiding light of podcasting. For a, well, you care and you tend to

and you take care of all of the listeners' ears and, you know, whatever above their neck, and I'll take care of all the listeners from the neck down. How's that? All right, have fun with that. He'll see you would see me to, ladies and gentlemen. We'll get them right in the heart. What I'm saying.

saying, we'll get them right in the feels like the kids say. We'll appeal to them down deep in their soul. Down deep in their souls. I sound like Big Bad John now. What do you think of that expression? Like that gives me the feels.

Well, it sounds like that you were on a crowded fucking subway car and somebody gave you the feels. To me, or I've heard him sound on the Twitter, they got me in the feels. what the fuck it sounds like something that ought to be at least a misdemeanor

nevertheless we've got so can we go on with the program now that I've established that I'm going to try to make as little noise as possible remember that guy John Fields in Baltimore oh for God's sake he is never

it you know that you know of that you know whatever you're going to say that you know of he has never been either the perpetrator of or the recipient of the feels as far as we're aware. I'm unaware. For the record, I'm unaware of any of this.

But let me, it just brought to mind, I was always a bit of a, depending on the way you look at it, either a smart ass or a word smith. Little puns, you know, double entendons, as they say, things like that appealed to me even before I got in a wrestling business. So like one o'clock in a morning, you're in Louisville, Kentucky.

I'm 18 years old or so. And back then, the only place you could get any kind of food at that time of the morning was White Castle, which pretty much qualifies for the label any kind of food. And so I go in and, you know, it's a fast food place. And the young people are working there, Brian. They've got their first jobs. Not all of them could be the successful Tuesday night wrestling photographer, like, like yours truly, they were working the various shifts at the counter at the fast food place, blah, blah, blah.

And I get up to place my order, and it's a young lady probably about my age. She's, you know, high schoolish type of level. And there her name tag says her name, Brian, is velvet. Now this was the 70s, the late 70s. So that was a thing that could happen. and I said your name is Velvet and she said yes I said have you ever been felt

she didn't seem to be to really appreciate the witticism of that remark and you got there from the feels the fields the past tense of feels would be felt wouldn't it

got me in the felt weren't those the cousins of the welches the feels No, those were those were the Hatfields Those were the Hatfield They just shortened it for the for the marquise But those were the Hatfields So they were well versed in family feuds

That is crazy that like the Hatfields versus the McCoys Like that is the That is the same family as the fields Yeah not the exact same people They didn't they didn't shoot a bunch of people In you know Kentucky and West Virginia and then moved down to the Gulf Coast, but it was branches of the family. So, hey, that's where the statement came from.

Personal issues, draw money. Think about it, why don't you? Okay. Well, I mean, why don't know what there is to think about? We already know this. Well, you've had that thing to think about. See, you proved my point. I've thought about it.

I haven't proved any point. All right. Well, you had a point? You haven't thought about it long enough. As long as you think about it, the more you'll prove my point. This has been happy talk, ladies and gentlemen. Well, Brian, I've got an email here. You don't like my conversation.

Is that too much noise for you? Huh? Well, no, because you've established its paper. You have an email. Now, we can talk about the level of shaking or quaking with the paper that you're doing. I don't know what's happening over there. It's bizarre. A lot of shaking and quaking going on.

Like I said, it's bizarre what's going on over there. But certainly you've established. what is making the noise, this is allowable. Yes, okay, well, I'm going to tell you right now what's making us know. And by the way, this may be one of our better programs, because people do respond to the ones where I just don't give two shits. And I'm to that point now in my sleep deprivation fucking experiment. But anyway, this is, what?

How come no one ever doesn't give three shits? Well, you're always going to give three sheds. I mean, if you're human. What does that mean? You've got to be completely inhuman not to give three shits about something. There's some goddamn level of humanity deep within me or anyone else.

The point where we wouldn't fucking go that far. All right. That was Smackdown, ladies gentlemen. No, this is a goddamn email from one of the listeners. All right. Marvin from Las Vegas. and Marvin has not yet been shot in the face What?

Oh man, you shot Marvin in the fucking face. Oh, I mean, I love that movie. I didn't realize that's what you were referred to as a... No, it's the same guy. It's the same guy. You shot Marvin out of nowhere. They're in Las Vegas. Anyway, the title of the email is Brian Last and his web of lies.

Who the fuck? Fuck you, Marvin. It says Marvin from Las Vegas and maybe you're the one who's going to shoot him in the fucking face. Sounds like a fake name. What was the last time a kid was named Marvin? No, he actually, he gave me his last name and it's equally as fucking stupid sound.

For the NXT of fucking email senders, let's go. So you don't want to hear about your web of line? No, I am curious what this is. I mean, I'm just denouncing Marvin in advance of the list. Hello, Jim, he knew not to send it through you, because it would never see the light of day. You keep your secrets carefully guarded. What's a secret? It's an email from Marv?

That's not a secret. No, he's talking about, you, oh, wait a little you listen. Hello, Jim, on Experience Episode 541, Brian was telling you about Mr. Met, who is the popular mascot of the New York Mets baseball team. At the end of explaining this, Brian stated that the Cincinnati Reds copied Mr. Met for their Mr. Red legs by adding a mustache. Do you remember uttering those comments? I certainly do. Well, he further states, Marvin, that is,

I'd like to explain the truth. Mr. Red, who is the mustashless version of Mr. Reds, was first introduced in 1955, while the New York Mets didn't introduce Mr. Mett until 1963, so the Mets, in fact, copied the Reds. Exactly wrong. Oh, let me say, please ask Brian to refrain from spreading misinformation about America's first capital letters baseball team.

Thank you, fuck the St. Louis Cardinals, bye. Now you take issue with Marvin from Las Vegas. This should be verifiable information here if we were to dig deeper. You know, he won me over a little at the end with fuck the Cardinals, so I can't get too mad. Look, here's the reality of it. Mr. Red, whatever to fuck his name is, was a drawing. He was something on paper or on a patch.

He was not an on-the-field mascot. We're talking mascots. Not drawings. There are plenty of drawings of people with baseball fucking heads. On the field mascot, Mr. Met, the originator. The greatest. He's still here. He's got a fine-ass woman.

He's got it going on. The Mets are winning. He's got a fine-ass woman with about a hundred stitches in her head. So does he. He's found his type. Made by Rawlings. It turns out. No, but that's the truth.

Mr. Met first on the field, mascot, and a costume. Because there was like, you know, goofy characters on the Indies. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, is it not the concept, so, wait a minute, you're saying, you're saying, you're saying that mascot begins at birth rather than mascot begins at conception. Mr. Met was developed specifically to be a man in a paper-machet giant baseball head on the field as a cheerleader. The Reds running man was something drawn on paper that was used in the paper. But then why did this man make it look like?

There was no expectation for a living embodiment of Cincinnati, except for Moxley. I guess. The living embodiment of Cincinnati. Boy, speaking of something with a hundred stitches in its head. No, but Mr. Met was the first on the fees. The originator. He is the greatest.

Philly fanatic, I would say, is at the top of the list, too. San Diego Chicken kind of had the part ways with the Padres, so I don't think he could really get the credit he deserves for the fame that he had. He's kind of like a dice clay of mascots. But he had a good match with Lawler.

And that's how we bring it back to wrestling, ladies and gentlemen. But fuck you, Marvin. Mr. Met was on the field first. I met the chicken and watched him beat the shit out of Jimmy Hart. Oh, I wish I remembered what it was offhand. I haven't written down in my notes somewhere. Austin Idol when I did Austin Idol live with him, he remembered what the chicken's payday was.

Because, you know, I'd like, I'll just forget that kind of shit. Oh, yeah. No, I think it was in the neighborhood of five or six grand or something like that because. all the boys were not fucking happy at all. Not happy. Anyway, so Marvin from Las Vegas, thank you for setting this straight despite Mr. Las' efforts to...

He didn't set anything straight. You're just taking his side arbitrarily? What is this shit? I think the mascot begins at conception and clearly the conception was the... If the conception did not have the thought of it being an on-the-field mascot, it does not count.

It was their symbol, their emblem. Perhaps in simpler times, they didn't know where to get a giant baseball head. There, Ubb, I works, the Mets, Walt Disney. Oh, I had a part to do with Mickey. Yeah, well, guess what? Walt Disney got all the credit, because he's the one who put him on the screen. He's the one who developed Mickey Mouse. That's what I said.

Yeah, well, Ubs family would like a word, you. All right. Anyway, real quickly, since we're on hopefully an energetic and happy path, but I will be remiss because everybody will say, well, you know, saying anything when Joe Biden steps down, okay, Biden out, Harris in, Biden steps down, Harris steps up, and it is still a choice of normal, sane, rational, competent, experienced people against madness, chaos, stooge's, sycophants, and want to be mango musilinis. And I hate it that Joe is not 15 years younger.

The idea that he's been a babbling oatmeal consumer for the past three years is ludicrous. We heard him at State of the Union. we heard him at press conferences. He's 80 years old and he has bad days. When it was a choice of him or the filth that preceded him, it was still not a choice. And he saved us from Trump.

He presided over the recovery from the pandemic. Unemployments at an all-time low. Stock markets at an all-time high. For people who say, inflation. that's why there's an inflation calculator where you can go back and see what something cost in 1913 and it's the equivalent buying power of the dollar today because it always goes up

and we were due for one which was caused by the global pandemic and the fact that a lot of people figured out they didn't want to work at Walmart and McDonald's for $6 an hour because why? When the billionaires that own McDonald's and Walmart are making billions and billions of dollars, fuck you. So things go up in price.

Biden didn't invent that. So I always figured that if we elected him and something happened, that his vice president and his experienced team would be doing the same kind of rational, reasonable shit. So nothing has changed. It now for me, except now Harris is 40, not 80. And there's the babbling simpleton drooling on himself on the other side of the podium. She's not 40?

What, 40 or 50? What? She's well preserved. She's got to be in her mid-50s at least. Is she really? Hold on, actually. Hold on. Well, find out and tell me. She is 59 years old.

What? She's almost your age. God damn! 40. Get out of here. Well, fuck, she's going to live to be 90. I didn't know she was that old. Look at those genetics. Anyway, I've never asked a woman her age. It's not polite.

But it said she brought it up. But anyway, it's fine, because we still have a choice of normal. rational, reasonable, experienced, competent people or stooges and criminals and sycophants and the whole mess. And now what they've done is they've just energized all of the... What do women make up in the United States of America?

It can be 50-50s. What do they make up? Tales of rabbits and fairs with umbrellies. Oh, come on that, no, quit. What percentage do they may? It can just be 50-50 even. The odds against that are probably better than 50-50. So the point is, since the Republicans have spent the past four years,

especially with all the stooge, fanatic judges that dipship put in place, taking away women's civil rights and whether they can decide to have a baby or not. Approximately 51.1% of the population since 20% percent, Well, that's goddamn close, isn't it? But they've still got the majority. Why would a woman vote for any of the Republicans with what they've done over the last few years? So, thank you for running Joe Biden out of office. We got a better chance now.

Yay. Fucking idiots. It's still, it's, this is still not a contest. Does it bother you the way he was pushed out? yes because I think we owe him more respect and thanks than that it was like a targeted campaign after a while to get him but the thing is I think they started getting worried that and Joe Biden realized this

they started getting worried that maybe he wouldn't beat this fucking moron and we would have four more years over a lot more years than that of this insanity and the government would be replaced almost in entirely by stooges and criminals and incompetence and fanatics. And normal people don't want that. So if they convinced him, Joe, the best thing you can do to save democracy is not try to save democracy again. That's probably why he did it for the good of the country.

Serious question. If Trump were to become president again, do you think Vince Rick man's going to get a pardon? I don't even think Vince McMahon will go to trial on anything. I mean, they're such good friends, old Donnie Dip shit and Vince head shitter, that, no, you're not going to see Vince McMahon, maybe simile, simile, civilly liable. I don't think, I think Trump would laugh. if Vince had to pay

some woman that he had you know dallyed with hundreds of millions of dollars or whatever because they would you know they have that kind of relationship where they were jousting with each other at the airport that time over the size of their airplanes but he's not going to jail

no way Trump would let Vince go to jail because of a woman or because of any any white collar crimes or criminality in the stock sale or whatever. Basically anything Trump has been guilty of, he's not going to let Vince go to jail for. You know, though, if you were booking it for wrestling,

it could be an interesting turn. Trump has surrounded himself with Linda McMahon and Hulk Hogan. If he wanted to turn on Vince, now's the time. He's got the backbone of 1980s WWF behind him. Yeah, he ain't going to turn on Vince. if anything, Trump may be the only one that can get Vince and Linda together because they've always wanted

legitimate power in the real world. So they would probably be willing to put up with each other's presence in order to both of them serve their fucking tinted master. Remember that image of Vince McMahon when Linda lost her last Senate attempt crying at the back of the stage to stand there with all the people? he's the husband he's like hiding in the back of the stage crying

he's he's cried he's like god damn it he was pissed off about losing how much six million dollars in 1995 can you imagine how he felt when he lost like 80 million dollars and he then he thought plus i thought she was going to move to Washington yeah yeah really i thought i'd finally have the place to myself yeah is right about that time when he bought the penthouse? You would know better than I. I don't know. When I left, I quit worrying about their real estate fucking holdings.

And because as long as I didn't have to go there, I didn't even know where it was. That's the move, though. Hey, you know, I'm just working so hard. I can't make it home from work. I'm just going to get a luxury apartment right across the street right here. Yeah, just a giant luxury apartment. It costs a few million dollars save me that fucking 40. 45 minutes or an hour to get home at rush hour.

Because he was a lot closer to his house than we were. I knew executives that did that and the company paid for it back in the Sony Music Days. Are they still in business? Yeah, they're still making money. You'd wonder with practices like that. Anyway, speaking of a company that still making money, even with practices like this, you want to talk about SmackDown for a minute? maybe a minute at most.

I didn't really, I mean, nothing really stuck with me from Smackdown. It wasn't really much of an anything. But what do you think? I don't care. I don't care. If I'm not successful, it won't be distressedful, because I don't care. They don't care. They don't care anymore.

They don't care what we say. We never did believe much anyway. this what the fuck they have how many we figured it up one time a few years ago and we haven't heard about any mass firings a hundred and some wrestlers on under contract on their roster both raw and smack down under the wwee umbrella maybe not even taking into account nxte and because they go to japan with how many people did they take to japan Man, for fuck's sake. They just say,

we're going to tape the show a week in advance and give people dick all of shit. They didn't even say where they were because they were in the last place they were last week, right? Yeah, as soon as you just saw that boxer, you're like, wait a minute. There's no way they put him on the road. Yeah, what is he just, fuck, is he stalking us now?

He's going to show up on somebody's front porch here next week. So, and it just, Oh my God the horribleness and awfulness of it wasn't not that there was nothing unprofessional there was nothing

ridiculous that would hurt business they haven't you know just decided to hire a bunch of fucking amateurs and throw them in the ring and the talent going to Japan or whatever they just had a few people work twice last week and gave us the most boring

non-meaningful program except for Jacob Fatu that they've presented in quite a while. And ha! So that's what, would you like to just... That was Smackdown, ladies and gentlemen. Well, yeah, I'll give you the high points. LA Knight, in quite a bit of time, finally beat Pablo Escobar,

who has the lovely car, Farman Electra Jennifer Lopez in her in his corner. And then Logan Paul ran in and got some heat on L.A. Knight. And L.A. Knight fought back. And in Escobar stopped L.A. Knight. And both heels beat up L.A. Knight. And Logan Paul, Frogs splashed him off the top rope and left him laying. And from this, I gather that at SummerSlam, L.A.

night better win that fucking belt. did you even pay attention no not really and I agree he better win that bill but then in the back Logan Paul said he's going to have a surprise for L.A. night

at SummerSlam so could that be his landlord well I'm thinking San Francisco slim get that natural northern California Southern California rivalry going

is that LA night's next program if he doesn't win the U.S. title with old San Francisco Slim? I don't know. Panama Red? The Panama Red made some money at one point in time. Anyway, Jade and Bianca got in the ring with the microphones. That was their first mistake. And they called out the new tag team champions of Fire and Dawn. I forget their other names. both have two names, but I remember those.

And they attacked Jade and Bianca from behind and then the faces, turned around and beat him up. And that was, it was pretty short and not good. And then we had the street profits and B-Fab talking to Terence Crawford.

Who is the, I couldn't remember from last week what he did. I didn't know whether he rapped, played basketball, was a boxer or a fucking movie actor. But he's a boxer. And apparently from what we heard in this program,

the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world. Have you ever heard of this fucking guy? To be fair, I don't really follow boxing anymore. The fact that they barely err at anywhere and none of the good fights ever really happen and there aren't really that many fighters built up well anymore. No, it's not really for me anymore. Well, some of the story may lie in this hyperbolic

description and the fact that they're apparently they're running advertising for this fight because they're running commercials that apparently are some kind of sponsorship. Not sponsorship, but the boxing people are paying them the money

as Joe LaDuke said one time. They're paying me some bread to get to fucking run commercials and talk about this thing. And apparently as part of the deal they had Terence Crawford come out of and knock out poor Austin theory later on.

But anyway, the story of the night, before we finish this story, was the tag team gauntlet for a number one contender, tag team title shot against poor old Gargano and Champa, who are about to be cannon fodder for the bloodline. That's their move when they have a tape show,

the gauntlet match. Yes, because they were 40 minutes into the TV show already before they started this thing, and this thing can go through goddamn however long, right? And it's just, what the fuck? So Corbyn and Cruz fought the lucha heels

and then the prophets came out and they were attacked by, I forgot to write down all these teams, purely dreary, I think. Prophets beat them, profits beat Gallows and Anderson, and then came the bloodline. So an hour and 15 minutes into the show,

we get to see the bloodline who at the top of the program had told Nick Aldus, are they ribbon? Poor old Tonga Loa now. Do they have some kind of buyer's remorse? Like, oh, fuck, this guy missed a stationary nutshot. And now they've just, he had an eye patch on and an exaggerated gauze underneath it,

and he's got an eye injury and had to pull out of the tag. team gauntlet, but they said, don't worry, he will be replaced by Jacob Fatu. Do you think Jacob Fatu has worked Tonga Loa out of a spot here, or was that what they were going to do all along? I think Tonga Loa is best, I think you said it a couple of weeks ago, he's best in a suit, kind of like in the classic Ming or Big Bubba Rogers kind of role, because every time, shouldn't say every time. It doesn't appear to be natural to him,

even though he's not a young guy and he's been doing this for a while. There seems to be just a... You know, it's almost like he has crazy legs. You don't know what he's going to do. He's got the yips. He had the yips. He throws at one place, it goes another.

Went for the guy's balls, and he almost touched the butt cheek. I don't know what he was trying to do. The yips. Wait a minute. You could have yips. And you can have yips. Somebody.

Somebody clip that audio and just put it on a loop and sent it to me. He went for the guy's balls, but he just grazed his butt cheeks or whatever it was you just said. Whatever it was that you want to hear over and over again. What the hell is going on? Oh, yeah. Let me hear it over and over. Oh, God. Stop being so excited.

This is what I talk about when I say the bizarreness of whatever's happening. So anyway, um, but you know what though now I'm a bigger fan of his than if he was just some badass because I'm waiting for shit to happen I'm waiting for him to like slip I'm waiting for him to like hit a wall

while he's walking just anything I'm waiting for something to happen nobody's ever going off what god damn it what was his name that dove head first under the ring at the Royal Rumble a few years ago Titus O'Neil Titus O'Neill

he's no he's got it he's you know he should have just stayed under there. The longer he would have stayed under there, I bet you, goddamn, he would have got a standing ovation. They laughed at him because he popped right back out and fucking got in the ring and tried to act like nothing went wrong. If he'd have stayed under there till the end of the fucking match

and didn't come out when they were fucking holding the guy's hand up, he'd have stole the show. Anyhow, so Jacob Fatu and Tamatonga ended up being the last team against the street profits in this gauntlet situation and they started the match and break but when they came back I mean it's obvious

Fatu and Tonga don't have a lot of tag team work because I would imagine this would be the first time that they have ever teamed up with each other right where Tomatanga's been in New Japan for ages Jacob was under contract to MLW, blah, blah, blah. Can you think of any paths they would have crossed? Not that I'm aware of, no. But so nevertheless, they've got no tag team word, but Jacob, again,

I think they're just putting the spotlight on him in the ring. The announcers are going over and above the call of duty to put him over. And you can tell they've got tremendous plans for him. and the shit that he can do and the explosiveness he has. So, anyway, they, boom, finally, oh, did you see the finish of this? Montez Ford's making a comeback on Tomatanga,

and then suddenly, Tomatanga is bent over in front of him, but apparently he was supposed to duck something, so Ford just swung over the top of the guy's head and turned backwards and put himself in a position to be waistlocked and boosted up. I was like, oh my God, it does look like Western swing dancing now.

And again, that's a tape show. They had a week to do whatever they did to do. Hey, that's where I told the crew in the Smoggy Mountain tapings for the first fucking dark match, that was all to shoot cute kids and attractive women in the crowd. When something like that happened,

you'd see a cute kid or an attractive woman. sometimes the pickings were slim we had to take what we can get but and then they got a four-way going and Jacob came in and beat up both and beat up or beat up beat up beat forward with a pop-up Samoan drop and a springboard moonsault boom one two three the triple jump or whatever like Daniels was doing for a while and one of the girls does it now or whatever but it looks more impressive when that fucking Samoan werewolf does it.

So that was, they're just building the bloodline right now. That was the, the contribution of this program really to anything involving story. But do you want to talk about, again, old Terence Crawford knocking

Austin Theory out? Where were they last week? What town is this guy? from? Was it Cleveland? Was it Dayton? No, they're going to be in Cleveland for SummerSlam. Oh, then it wasn't there.

Certainly not. It's someplace out west. All these towns running through my mind. Billings, Montana? No, it's not Billings. Fargo, North Dakota? No, it was Moosehead, Maine. But anyway,

Waller and Theory get in the ring, doing a live promo, knock on old Terrence Crawford because he helped out handing a chair last week to blah blah blah blah blah and they call him out to apologize Brad did you see he had his own video screen he was officially prepared for that

they had Terrence Crawford at his boxing pictures up on the fucking screen on the entrance as I mentioned earlier they're promoting this fight that he's fighting somebody for something and they ran a commercial and they've got him involved in this or whatever, but now they paid enough however much it was that he gets to come out and knock out Austin Theory.

Waller talks it up and runs his mouth and then says, if you don't apologize to us, then theory's going to knock you out. And theory's like, hey, what? Wait a minute. And boom. Almost boom. I'm sure to theory

Theories Everlasting gratitude The guy didn't potato him He whiffed in front of his chin But nevertheless He knocks theory out And Waller runs away The end

They got Mike Tyson in 1998 Now they got Terrence Crawford Have you gone to sleep That was Smackdown It actually wasn't Oh fuck They also had a Cody pre-take Oh yeah, that Cody in the restaurant or whatever it was.

Yes, it was a bar, which is nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying that Cody ought to be drinking milk, but he said, I'm here on my tour in Japan. And he's in a bar. There was not one Japanese characteristic or anything that I saw. It was just they did it with a very well-lit, fucking hotel bar. I don't know where that would have been. Yeah, that was the thing. I'm in the bar.

middle of the day. But that was about SummerSlam, and then the main event was actually Mia and Bailey against Jackson Stratton, which sounds like a kind of power drill, doesn't it, or some type of heavy equipment, machinery,

gasoline, operate, to Jackson Stratton. Tackle any heavy job. Wonder if Jackson Stratton should start a line of battery-operated household appliances for the housewives across the country. Again, I don't know where your mind goes.

Who was their opponent? It was Jackson Strand versus Mia and who? Mia Yim and Bailey. And Bailey, that's right. And Bailey. But what they did was they jumped Mia Yim beforehand and beat her up on the side of the ring down on the floor. And then Bailey came out and had a handicap match against them for 10 minutes before the fucking

Mia Yim got back up to the apron to take the tag. people recovered crawled out of car wrecks on the interstate at quicker time nobody went to goddamn help her up they let her lay there for ten minutes you think Mia's still alive I don't know well let's not ruin the camera shot and then she gets up and takes a tag and makes a comeback after ten minutes and then the refrigerator basically bonzied Bailey after she'd been hit with the briefcase. And that was the end.

Yeah. Yeah. Boy, this show. Now, let's, here, let's ask this question, though. Are they just like, well, we're almost done on Fox, so fuck it? Or are they, we're so far ahead in this thing, we don't give a shit? What, you know, one boring-ass show with nothing going on is not going to run our audience off where that we're that conceded now there's no way they could have planned ahead with these

previously scheduled situations that a company that's worth eight or nine billion dollars could have said hey let's add a fucking tv taping the day after our last TV taping and then take a couple days off go to Japan because we you know instead of subjecting the people that had already seen a live smackdown to some taped bleh and just throwing it away for the TV audience. Is my question to you? Was there a threat of a question in there? I mean, it was a nothing show.

They weren't in town. The contract's finishing up. It'll probably do a relatively respectable rating, I would think. I don't know if it's just going to die because people didn't get a live show and they didn't get anything happening at all? We'll see. Does Fox have any interest in his Terrence Crawford fight

that they've been promoting for two weeks on the show? Well, somebody's making some money off of it over there. It's on DeZone, I see here. I always thought that was Dazen. D-A-Z-N. The fight is Saturday, August 3rd. When's SummerSlam? Saturday, August 3rd.

So they're promoting something against them? They're promoting that. That's what I've been saying all along. They're getting some money. They're against SummerSlam with his fight. I forgot to bring that up. Thank you for mentioning that. But they're running commercials and they're fucking having his guy come out

and knock out to fucking talent. How much does that have to be worth? And who are these fucking people, Terence Crawford? And what's his name that he's fighting? He's fighting Israel, Madrimov. Well, a household name, ladies and gentlemen. Early start time. If you're undergoing speech therapy, that's a name that's on everybody's lips.

Early start time for this Riyadh season card. Oh. From Los Angeles. So now it may tell you who's putting up the money for this. The Riyadh season card from Los Angeles. Now, that's unwielding itself. Saudi Arabia is behind this, but is that Riyadh season a brand of, or a, company name or...

Riyadh season is a series of entertainment, cultural, and sporting events held in the Saudi Arabian capital of Riyadh. The event was introduced in 2019 by the General Entertainment Authority. You will always listen to them. Yes. Yes, the entertainment authority. As part of the larger Saudi Seasons initiative in support of Saudi Vision 2030. Well, how does it...

But it's in Los Angeles? Well, yeah, that's how they infiltrate the states. What's the goddamn hill? Oh, my God. So how much money now are they paying to get this fucking guy and, and what was the other guy's name? Who's he? What's he?

It's he scratched? Madam. Madam Madam. Madam. The madam. God. Who are these? Have you ever heard of these fighters before?

Again, I'm not currently following. boxing so I'm not the best person to ask. But no, to spend that much money, we ought to be talking about Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Evander Hollifield, Floyd Mayweather, people that you can't avoid here in their fucking name.

Riyadh season 2024, Riyadh season will be hosting the six King Slam of October 24, a tennis tournament. Yeah, featuring all the big stars. Nadal, Djokovic. Yeah.

So they're doing the tennis tournament. Did you say Chokebich? I didn't say Chokevich. What did you say? Jokevich. Who is that? He's a tennis player, but anyway, you should know your tennis, Mr. Cornett. Did he ever beat Bobby Riggs?

They're doing a tennis tournament. They have the W.W.E. Crown Jewel, November 2nd, from the Kingdom Arena. Tyson Fury versus, again, I don't follow boxing currently. Oosk? Oosk. U.S. Y.K. Alexander Usk. Uzk.

That'll be in December. There are 12 zones in Riyadh season. The Boulevard world, Boulevard City, King the Marina, Ramla, Taraza. Okay. Do I need to call

9-1-1? Are you having a stroke now? The Wonder Garden. These are their arenas, I guess. The food truck park. Riyadh Zoo. As a matter of fact, when you go to visit, they don't let you leave. Well, that's it. Also, also the Black Hat Middle East and Africa

Cybersecurity and hacking convention is annually held. Wait a minute. The fucking hackers and cyber securityers have a convention now? Shouldn't they try to keep that shit quiet? It says here, Black Hat, Middle East and Africa. A three-day cybersecurity and hacking convention held in Riyadh. Where would hackers from all over the world come and show their wares?

I don't know, but they're spending money. They have lots of money, and it's on display all over the world. All right. Well, I'm sure Terrence Crawford is a heavy favorite to win this thing. Just because he knocked out Austin Theory with one punch and didn't even touch him. So the wind. so you can imagine what he can do to another human being if he actually hits him.

That really was the end of happy talk earlier, ladies and gentlemen. That certainly was, but I'll tell you this right now, and you may not realize it, Brian, but the highlight of that program was the Samoan Werewolf Jacob Fatu. And let me ask you a question, Brian last. How do you shave a werewolf? with a silver bullet no you kill him with a silver bullet

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Brian, we got to catch up on last weekend's biography. We didn't have time on the drive-through. We got to talk about it because it was on Mark Henry and the biography on, as you say, AEW, but it was actually on the A&E network. At least again, this is another guy who they have not beaten to death with the rivals and the biographies and the feuds and the legends and the heels and all the other stuff where

you could see some new material for once. And, you know, it was two hours where we usually left that, like Lawler had a 50-year career, and got an hour and the Miz got two hours. But Mark had more to tell to his story than just getting right into wrestling. So, you know, I didn't think this was padded. But did you get a chance to see the program? I did, yes. Well, the only, and of course, Bruce Pritchard was in it as, you know,

representative of the office talking head, or in this case talking chins. but I don't even know if I tell you this story if I can convey how fucking much of a kick I still get about thinking about this I was a member of the creative team when Bruce Pritchard told me that they were going to sign Mark Henry and sponsor him for the Olympics

and at the time the WWF creative team consisted of Vince McMahon and his stooge as me and Bruce Pritchard and Pat Patterson would stop by usually maybe the week before a pay-per-view and Jim Ross would drop in because he was booking the house show lineups and he was foolishly trying to follow the television that Vince would change all the time and that was it right

and so I've again I just started there spring of 96 or deep winter so I was still getting used to the way that things were pitched and the shit that they talked about with straight faces. And Bruce told me, hey, we're going to sponsor this guy in the Olympics, this Olympian. And I had never heard of Mark and I had not met Mark at this time and I'm not knocking Mark. I'm trying to tell a funny story about Bruce telling me about Mark. But he said, we're going to sponsor him. He's an Olympian.

I said, oh, okay, he's a weightlifter. okay and he can you know he can dunk a basketball and he weighs 400 pounds I said okay and we're going to

as soon as he gets out of the Olympics and we're going to get him in a ring okay and we're going to sign him for 10 years for $250,000 a year and that's when I said what? Because in 1996

they weren't giving out guaranteed contracts at all. And in the program, it gets mentioned that, you know, Mark had the first. And I said, but you've got to pay him for 10 years? It wasn't even the 250 grand a year. It was the 10 years?

I've never even seen this guy before. What if he's not any good? And Bruce would say, but the thing is, he can dunk a basketball. He would always go back to that. Like, that was, I can't convince. to you the glee that you would see on Bruce's face when he said those words.

It was like, I didn't know you're a big of basketball fan, Bruce. And I said, but the thing is, I said, it's going to get heat with the boys you can't. This is going to get out. Do you give me guys never even, not have had a lesson yet? A 10 year contract for,

and think of the 20 year contract with breath that was going to go sideways about a year and a half later. It's like they were competing with Vern, but he already went out of business. Yes. and I said, you know, what if he's not any good? And he said, but he said, you don't understand he might go, the NBA might sign him. I said, he let the NBA sign him if he wants to play basketball instead of wrestle,

because we don't, we don't know if he could wrestle. Yeah, by the way, no mention of the NBA in this biography episode. Well, no, we saw him dunk at a basketball. That much was true, but I don't know if it was in the fucking state. finals for the national title or whatever. But that's the thing is that Vince got the idea, one of sponsor an Olympian, you know, Vern had done it before, but not to that level of financial commitment.

Maybe Patera got 200 bucks a week, maybe. And you live in my barn. Yeah, and then the bedroom in the barn. But so they went a whole hog with it, and that's what Mark's, the first five years of his career from 1996 to 2001 really went backwards. And we've talked about it when we've talked about him before that, you know, the way that he got into business and unfortunately what happened and what transpired, it took him that five years to go back and get his basic training and really understand all the facets of the business, how to think about it, how to do it, how to get along in a locker room.

they started him out and feature match on pay-per-view, and five years later he was in OVW and developmental. And they honestly couldn't tell, they did tell the story of some of his setbacks and, you know, that he was a little full of himself or not knowing how to fit in when he first got into business in a locker room, but they couldn't really tell the full story because it was kind of an indictment on the way that they did him to begin with

and why they had to keep revamping him and trying to figure out something new to do with him because of the path they took him on. But anyway, I digress. We're getting ahead of ourselves. Did you, well, you're not old enough to have seen Vasili Alexiev in the Olympics in real time, are you, kid?

No, I don't believe so, because also I don't really watch the Olympics. It's not my thing. Well, see, here's the thing in 72 and 76, not so much in 68 because I was like fucking six. But in 72 and 76, I watched the Olympics not only because they were on network television and we only had three back then,

but also because some of the guys were either dallying with wrestling had been publicized by the wrestling magazines, you know, boxing because of Ali here, blah, blah, blah. So when I was a kid, the 72 and 76 Olympics were, you saw Chris Taylor, you saw Ken Patera. And it was marketed well by, I think ABC had it both those years, and you know, it was patriotic. So we watched the Olympics, but Alexia was a fucking giant beast. and he was the goddamn Russian weightlifter

and he was the one that Patera and everybody else was you know being compared to but Mark Henry admired him for being a big you know because Mark was a big kid and they talked about how he was so ridiculously big that the other kids picked on him for being ridiculously big but he liked and as wrestlers he liked Andre and the big guys the strong men.

And when he was here, he would ask, you know, about old-time strong men and, you know, different people in wrestling or just the, you know, the circus type. He was really, because of his background with Terry Todd, who worked with Paul Anderson when he was the world's strongest man back in the 50s and had all that publicity. And then he got into wrestling. Am I still getting ahead of myself? No, Thelma Todd, keep going. Thelma, no, not Thelma Todd.

I know, I know, I know. She was the unfortunately murdered actress in the 30s in, but she made a great comedy team with Zazu Pitts. She was great in monkey business by the Mark's brothers. But it was Jan Todd, who was Terry Todd's wife, who was one of the people interviewed for this program, because when Mark got in, to weightlifting and his high school strength coach

to save him from getting in trouble, then he attracted attention of Terry Todd, who was a famous strength and conditioning coach and a weightlifter. And he worked with Mark for a while and trained him for the Olympics, where in 92 he came in 10th. And then, you know, for the next round,

Terry Todd had known, as I said, you know, he had worked with Paul Anderson in the past. He knew Vince through Andre the Giant because he had, I think wasn't that a famous sports illustrated piece that Terry Todd wrote on Andre? He wrote it and those photos are the ones you still see around, Andre holding the beer can and then Vince Senior, Vince Jr., and Andre like having a good time at wherever,

Smith and Wolenski's, wherever they were. Yeah, so anyway, he said, hey, you know, Mark, you could be doing this and Vince agreed to sponsor him for the Olympics and he went to Atlanta in 96, tore a rib muscle, still finished the meat but did not obviously win the gold medal. But, you know, they made the point

that Mark never did steroids, and again, that is true. You know, he was all natural for, you know, good, bad, or indifferent. He couldn't really go all the, way, I don't think, in Olympic weightlifting probably with being all natural and starting late and et cetera, et cetera.

But nevertheless, there is where, the way they debuted him and he even admitted he had almost no training. Literally, the reason why that they picked Jerry Lawler to work with Mark in,

and that was mind games, right, in Philly, September 96. Lawler could work with a guy and had many times in Memphis a big strong guy that he could call basic stuff to and they had obviously had Mark in a ring and

showed him somewhat out of hit the ropes and things but I mean this was just zero level of training and they were able to pull it off with Lawler calling it because Vince insisted on having him off of the Olympics having him on that show

and again I know it'll be acceptable you know palatable whatever with the king but then what are we going to do with it well then we're going to have him train in the warehouse this was before

developmental that had become a thing and you know if you show him on television then and put all this you know attention on him and then he goes away for however long

then it's and then at the same time if you put him in the ring right now with anybody else but Lawler would be god awful so you know but Vince wanted to do it so they debuted him against Lawler on that pay-per-view

and then they put him in training at the warehouse and remember Brian they mentioned that he broke his ankle But remember how I've said I hated the real ropes on a ring I like the cables Yeah you've always said that

Many times Well He's 400 fucking pounds He hits the goddamn real ropes That they're hitting in Not just a two hour house show every night But they're using this as a training ring And the rope breaks

And he gets caught And his leg goes sideways When he takes the bump And he breaks his ankle so by the time that he had his debut on pay-per-view beats Jerry Lawler then goes into training

then gets hurt then recuperates from that then continues his training I think we worked at that one time he had like two matches in his first 18 months so he made $375,000 for two matches and that's why the boys

then were like what the fuck this fucking guy. Combined with Mark, Mark's always a friendly guy, always laughing, always joking, but he came in, not realizing what kind of atmosphere he was in, or that these guys would be mad

because they've worked for years and years to not get the goddamn guarantee that he got, but walking in from doing something else. And that's where they started, while he was recuperating from his broken ankle. He'd come to TVs on crutches, right? 400 pounds with a broken ankle. So he needs the crutches.

If he sat down on like an equipment case or something and leaned his crutches up, some of the boys would get his attention to somebody else would sneak up and steal his crutches and put him out in the middle of the ring and he'd have to figure out a way to go get them. And they did do the treatment of one of his subway sandwiches one time, which probably tasted little shittier than normal subway sandwiches taste because that was, he wasn't doing himself any favors because he just walked into it

and he didn't know what to fuck. So that's why that... Yeah, but still they shouldn't have shit in a sandwich. Well, no, you know, but that's... They were shitting in fucking everybody's sandwich because that's what they... They shouldn't have shitting anybody's sandwich. But that's what they were doing

when you give them an opening and it was because the company did not prepare him in any way for the business. That's why Brett took him to Calgary and had him up there for a while, teach him out to act as much as work. And then, you know, when he finally got back at the end of 97, and he joined the nation of domination, then he could be around those guys. and he started to learn more of the in-ring

with Simmons and you know, Delo already had some experience at that point in time. The Rock was new, but he got to promo. So he started getting a little background and training there. And then the fucking Jerry Springer accolites took over and he became sexual chocolate and was having an affair with May Young. And I think that's why by...

He loved it. It seemed like he was happy with it. He came up with the idea and obviously that's one of the more memorable things of that error was his affair with May Young leading to her birth of a hand. But now here's he came up with the idea because he and the boys were laughing about himself being attractive to the ladies and it's another thing that then Vince hears about and can't resist and goes too far with and it lets other people go too far.

And that was the ban thing coming to America, sexual chocolate. But think about this, at that point, then people started laughing at him. Here you've got this giant, world's strongest man, Olympic weightlifter, blah, blah, blah, and people are laughing at him. And I'm sure he had a lot of fun,

but that's why that basically at that point in what 2000, they'd run out of things to do with him and they sent him to OVW. He'd gotten too heavy. They wanted him to lose weight. And he still didn't really, he had never, he'd skipped over all the basics

of how to not only do wrestling, but think about wrestling. And he just had to learn on a job. So it helped his physical conditioning, but at the same time, it helped him learn more how to think. And he also, he started appreciating the wrestling business better then because he saw what guys were doing to get there

that he had completely skipped over with the way the things had happened. And it was the point where one time when we were still in the old building before we moved into the new place, he bought the boys a new air conditioner for the locker room that they could stick in the wall. because it was so fucking odd. And he was the one because he was still making $250,000 a year and here these guys are, you know,

trying to get $3,500 a week. But that's when he became more popular with guys, learning not only kind of how to, he was actually a leader at some point at that point because he was more experienced than a lot of them. So he took more responsibility in that. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, but no mention of OVW at all.

all in the biography. Well, no, because there's the thing they talked about when he got hazed, when he first got into business and then he got hurt, but they couldn't just say, and then we had to send him back to developmental start from scratch four years into this thing. That's why I'm saying it would have been an indictment of the company. How the fuck have y'all botched this guy up that bad? But at that point, two things happened. One, he got down to 390 pounds.

It was the lightest he has been in his wrestling career. They wanted us to get him to lose weight, and we did and he did, and was doing leapfrogs and monkey flips. And then we used him both as a baby face and a heel. He was a heel here, but I liked him as a baby face better because he had the great smile

and the kids liked him, and he was a big guy that could be friendly. and he was a name not only from wrestling from national television but also the Olympics for personal appearances sponsors blah blah blah but the point is we used him as both we said okay he's in great shape he's a joy to work with here you go and the first thing they got the idea for him to enter the Arnold Classic and he bulked up again he gained like 70 pounds back for the fucking Arnold Classic but he won it.

So, but that, that was, that, now it's, it's 2002, so now they've really decided, okay, we're going to do something fucking with him now. But it took all that long to get him going in the right fucking direction. This thing did a better job of building up his strongman career than anything they ever did on TV. Well, yeah, and I didn't know why that again,

everybody had to be a fucking comedy guy in the Springer era but he was legitimately the strongest man in the world and he could do shit like that so we had him doing stuff in OVW punching the fucking 10-pity nail through the board with his bare hand and bending things and lifting things whatever the fuck because that's

that's what you do with the world's strongest man but what did you think of the way Vince was fucking with him where they got him a pan that didn't think he'd be able to fold or they sent him out to the ring and just ended the show like it seems like he was fucked with his entire run and seemingly from the bottom up to the very top more than most wrestlers well Vince fucking with him then when they were talking about that was different and way after they when they fucked with Vince gave him a fucking red carpet at the beginning because it was he had an element of Tony con in him Vince did brand new toy but that's what I'm saying though he was fucked with the beginning and he was

fucked with years later by the boss of the company when he started fucking with him years later it was Vince's goddamn weird thought process that he wanted him to be pissed off he didn't want him to be happy Mark he didn't want him to be Blasee Mark he wanted him to be rah mark because remember he said they've really him and left him standing in the rig and he came back and got pissed off and Vince said, that's what I want. And then there's the hall of pain and all that other shit. It's one of Vince's many weird things that he does. He wants to piss people off sometimes.

Well, again, Vince was the one behind apparently giving him a frying pan that didn't think he'd be able to bend. And he had, and he struggled with it. And eventually he did it, which shows how strong he was. But why is he fucking with a guy doing something on live TV? I don't know if that was live. Might have been a pre-tape. It wasn't live when they sent him out stand in the ring. All right.

That's all right. Yeah. When they sent him out to stand in the ring, that didn't make air. See, it had some events of fuck with you to get the goddamn emotion. How would you react if you were standing in the room waiting for something and then Tony Chimble just shuts down the show? I would have actually gone over in the front row, tried to grab some fans popcorn or just sat down at the desk and put my feet up

and stayed till everybody had left. But anyway, um, and then the, you know, basically the retirement promo that even fooled his family, he had his family, his teenage sweetheart. I remember him talking about her

20-something years ago in OVW. They were together then and his kids and you know, that's where Vince had talked him into one more deal and then he went in a hall of fame and 2018 and

and then I couldn't believe that they mentioned AEW. What'd you think about that? You know, I think they're

trying to tell somewhat of a coherent, cohesive story. They mentioned AEW, they didn't mention OVW.

So that's interesting. But, you know, no, it's just because they, you know, the truth is, this would have been

a good 90-minute documentary and they had to stretch it to two hours. and after a while it was just a lot of footage of him talking to his family. Coaching kids, too. He's big on coaching kids.

And that's wonderful, but it was a lot of footage of it. Again, I understand why they didn't mention OVW at the start, but I was surprised they mentioned AEW except to answer the question of, well, if he was in a Hall of Fame and everything was so great, where's he been? And Mark said he wanted to teach, but he had to do what was best for his. his family, basically meaning I had to take more money, but what is it that, what are they letting him do or teach or say over there? When's the last time we saw Mark Henry in public on a wrestling program?

Oh no, I thought he, and I could be wrong, was any one of the names released or not renewed, whatever it was? Okay, well then... Let me double check on that. Double check on that, please, there. Roving reporter. last because we don't want to give fun, but he was in AEW

for a long fucking time and he didn't do a whole fucking lot. So I'm wondering what they were even letting him do besides cash their check. That was the reason why that he went there to begin with. Yeah, he announced in May

that he has left AEW. Okay, so two months ago. So by the time that this was all pre-shot and et cetera, whatever, but Apparently they didn't listen to a lot of his lessons. If you don't listen to lessons, Brian, you can be lacking in your learning. Okay, like Larry Looper?

Well, no, he was the best one of the Loopers. I never liked Lou. And truthfully, I wasn't much on his cousin, Goober. Goober Looper, you remember him. He lived down in the holler. I don't know anything about him, no. All right. So, you know, that brings up an interesting thing, Brian. Did you have any further comments on the Mark Henry biography in total? No, it was a very well done piece overall. Very likable, Mark Henry, a guy you want to root for.

And yeah, it was a very nice episode of biography. I know what else there was to say. Well, you know. No mention of Jim Cornett or OVW. That was yet my other big takeaway. Well, again. But the thing is, is that I think it was good. I think it was fine. But, you know, sometimes you want something, Brian, that's just flat out awesome. Just plain awesome.

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You know, Brian, we've got We've got all kinds of listeners out there, we used to at least, that ask questions. We haven't got to some of them on the drive-through. What are some of the things that the cult of Cornett listeners out there are asking about these days, that we can tidy up here on the program?

Oh, boy, let's get to some questions. I'm totally prepared. ladies and gentlemen. Jim, one topic that a lot of listeners have sent in. I have an email here. Sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com. This is from Matthew Maitland. Interested in your thoughts, Jim. On Jobber, now being a derogatory term. And this is a tweet attached from Dustin Rhodes. Please stop using the term Jobber. It is extremely disrespectful to everyone who is putting their bodies on the line each week.

All of us are enhancement talent. Oh, good Lord. We enhance each other's careers. Show compassion to everyone that steps in this business and works hard enhancing others. Oh, Jesus. Hashtag keeps stepping. Yeah, right on out the door.

No, I like Dustin. I'm not knocking Dustin, but God damn, has everybody just lost track of their fucking senses? And everyone has gotten so sensitive. Jobber can be used as a derogatory term, as can a lot of other regular words, depending on how they're applied in what context, to what individual or people or whatever the case.

But, no, this is another example of something that nobody thought twice about at one point in time that now has somehow become an issue because people got too many things fucking worry about that aren't important. And this comes from knowing many jobbers. Again, in the 80s or the 70s, you know, guys would say, about themselves. You know, hopefully I'll go to TV next Saturday in Atlanta and do some jobs

or I'm one of the guys that goes over and does jobs for Mike Jackson. Or it was an industry term anyway that the fans, none of the fans were using that to begin with, so it wasn't like that they were using it as derogatory

comments about somebody else's favor. Ah, he's a jobber. They used that word to begin with. It was only in the business. And the jobbers knew. that they were jobbers, job guys. And a promoter would call a fucking guy that had some guys, hey, can you get me five guys

to do jobs on TV? Sure, whatever. And, you know, I'm not saying that at some point some guy in a locker room would look at some other guys, ah, he's nothing but a fucking job guy. But, you know, but it wasn't a goddamn mortal insult. of what the fuck? Why is this of an issue now?

It's just a common term that's been used in the wrestling industry inside forever and nobody was upset about it on either side of the fence. And now it's a goddamn debate. His father certainly used that term a good deal. Yes, and sometimes you'd see Dusty's lineup. Like versus Jobber or whatever. You didn't even fill the people's names in until you saw who showed up because it was just a breathing person to do a job,

which as we know means to lay down to get beat for the star that you're trying to push. Do a job for him. It's an industry term that in the era of newsletters and the emergence of smart fans got out is kind of used beyond wrestling even. It's weird now. headlines in the newspaper. I saw one about, you know, it was a baseball story, but the Mets getting

someone in a trade. Mets acquire long time heel. Like, what? You know, it's just weird. You now see wrestling terminology in everyday life. Jobber jabroney is like one of those things.

But it started inside. So is Dustin saying this to fans or is he saying this to other wrestlers? I do. I have no idea. He's trying to make sure nobody gets their feelings hurt. And that's another. That Gibroni, as you mentioned, is just wrestling slang for Jobber,

and the Rock didn't invent it. The Rock picked it up when he was a kid. Lawler was saying it on his interviews on Memphis TV in the 70s. Call it, you know, whoever that he was working with, some fucking Gibroni. and it's it's just it existed in wrestling for years and years and years and and suddenly now people are getting their feelings hurt if you're Brian if you're in acting

are you not allowed to be called an extra because that's what Vince used to call them tried to get away from job guys and into extras because that sounded more TV but now if this is the case with the wrestlers then are the actors allowed to be called extras or is that disrespectful? Well, here's the other issue. Jobber, enhancement, talent, extra, whatever you want to say, are there even that many on wrestling TV nowadays?

There's a difference between job guys and guys who always do jobs. Is he saying they're being called jobbers? I mean, that's the thing. Like, what? We don't know what he's saying, obviously, but it's bizarre because who's he saying this to? And a lot of times

another word for job guys is local. You can see the lineup and so-and-so versus local. Some guy that shows up to get his ass beat. He's from there. We didn't have to fly him in, whatever. It's not being disrespectful. It's being realistic to these guys and what they're standing is

in the community. at the current time. And that doesn't mean it can't never change because a lot of the major stars of the a lot of the major stars of any goddamn decade started in the business doing jobs getting beat, jerking the curtain every night, if they even got booked every night.

All right, well, that was the Dustin Rhodes Jobber question taking care of there. Jim, another question here from the Colta Quartet. sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Kristen O. My husband mentioned to me that the man who used to live across the street from him when he was a child passed away several years ago, and he had heard... Has she just heard about it now?

And he had heard that the guy used to be a wrestler in the Nashville territory days. Uh-oh. What of these stories, uh? According to my husband, as well as several of the... comments left on the man's online obituary. The man's name was Tommy Reynolds, and he wrestled as the Midnight Angel. Based on the fact he was born in 1947... Oh, boy.

I guess he would have been wrestling anywhere from about the late 60s to the mid or late 80s. However, I can't find any information on him or any evidence. Any evidence whatsoever. Or any evidence of him wrestling in Nashville shows during that time period. I know he must have done at least a little bit since I'm seeing other people post about their memories of him, but I can't find anything to prove it. Jim, I figured if anyone would know anything about the Midnight Angel.

Or a Tommy Reynolds wrestling in or around Nashville, it would be you. Please let me know if you know, or can find out anything. Well, what do you know and what can you find out? Well, I can't find out anything. And I know enough to know we don't need to call Scott Teal

as an expert on Nashville wrestling. There was no Midnight Angel. If this guy was born in 1947, he would have been wrestling by the early to mid-70s, at least and all Nashville cards. I've seen them. I was watching the televisions. They've been documented in various publications.

Tommy Reynolds or Tommy Reynolds? It was how was that? Tommy Reynolds, R-E-Y-N-O-L-D-S. Yeah, no, no. No, no. Now, when you say you're familiar with who worked those shows in Nashville during those years, beyond Goulis and Jarrett,

were there outlaw shows in Nashville proper during those years? There were outlaw shows that came and went and, you know, like in the suburbs or whatever, I mean, my God, did he wrestle on a show that his friends put on in a barn three times

that there was never any newspaper ad? Yeah, but, but no, with any recognized professional organization in Nashville. Was there a midnight angel? And I've never heard the other name. And you hear these stories all the time. Remember the fake Stan Lane? And I can't tell you how many people over 20 years I've had come into the house

to work on the air conditioning and see some of my posters. Oh, yeah. I used to live across the street from the original mass spoiler because they just these people tell other people that can't find out the difference that they were pro wrestlers and they were always masked

which avoids them having to come up with that pesky fucking photograph of themselves actually wrestling so I'm pretty sure that this is horseshit but that's just me. Do you feel like maybe you inspired this man, the Midnight Angel? Would that have been a good name for a masked baby-faced sidekick for the Midnight Express? Well, I'm trying to figure out what other gimmick he was combining with the...

Was his favorite job guy, Tommy Angel? Was there a midnight devil that he was sent to Earth to fight and oppose? I don't get the gimmick. What was Tommy Angel's real name? Oh, good Lord. It wasn't Tommy Reynolds. No, it wasn't. Okay, just double check.

I used to know it at one point now. I can't. Well, I don't know if he'd want me to say it on the air anyway. Hey, where did Lee Scott come from? He was one of the Northern Alabama guys, as I recall. Because when he showed up, there was a brief period he was there. He took the most halation. just bumps anyone to take it on TBS ever.

Yes, that's why that we booked him on TV every chance we could because he could take a bigger backdrop or a fucking, you know, bigger anything, especially with all the road warriors and the Samoans and all the guys, we had to boost him. Where was the first time you saw that Chris Hamrick bump? The one that he did on Rolla twice and both times the audience was blown away where, I don't even know how to expect.

He goes for a drop kick of some sort, but he just... No, no. no, hold on, hold on, he's hitting the ropes, and by the way, I saw it the first time he did it on Raw. I said, what the fuck did you mean to do that? Oh, yeah? But as he's coming off the ropes, the baby face sidesteps him and leg sweeps him with the baby face's right leg to where he swept both of his feet out from under Chris. And Chris jumps up and goes feet first through the second and third rope straight to the floor without touching anything. and I was like, God damn it.

They say, yeah, I can do it whenever I want to. That's good. That's good. I like Chris Hamrick. He was a heck of a worker, but I didn't see the... A lot of people talked about that bump, but I didn't see the upside in it. No, but you remember it. It stood out. Yeah, but you generally remember the major car crash that leaves you in a goddamn wheelchair

in an iron lung. Can you be in a wheelchair in an iron lung at the same time? I don't know. You're the iron lung expert here. Well, I'm wondering if they'd be able to just kind of put your upper body in the iron lung and then slide the chair in under your ass and have your legs kind of sticking up in the air. Well, Jim, our next question sent on the Facebook. Sent by, ba, ba.

Hey. Jim, this next one was sent via Facebook is what I was trying to say. the official cult of Cornett Facebook group, this was sent in by Josh Tustison. Would Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn in their primes have been able to defeat Brock Lesner in a real fight or shoot wrestling match? Oh, geez. Well, the answer is yes.

Because at that level, anybody can beat anybody if both fighters are in their prime era of age and athletic, you know, competitiveness. So the short answer is yes, but I mean, when you get to that level, it's really how the fight goes and, you know, which guy can make it about his style first, because Dan was not an exciting fighter because he was so bad. based in wrestling and ground and pound and immobilize and fucking whatever. And, you know, he wasn't the, the chiseled physique of Shamrock who had not had the level of amateur career that Dan had, but had more explosiveness.

But then you've got Brock who, you know, wasn't a Dan Gable as far as technique, but was a physical freak as far as power and with training. he was really dangerous. But either one of those guys could have beat either one of the other two depending on how it fucking went because Severn and Shamrock both did. Does that answer the question?

So you're saying yes. So I'm saying yes, there's a chance. There's a chance. Yeah, at that level, in a shoot, and depending on what the rules are and what the, you know, what style is what any of those guys could have beat any of those guys.

All right, very diplomatic, Jim Cornett, with that answer. Well, I'm not even, I'm being realistic. Yes, I believe. Do you think Shamrock's at the same level as Lesnar or Severn again? These are high-quality wrestlers and Shamrock did shoot fighting and early days of UFC. But what are the rules? Is this strictly collegiate wrestling?

Is it MMA? Is it some kind of weird hybrid? Is it brawl for all? what are the goddamn rules here. That's what... In a real fight is what the question was, right? Right. So in a real fight, yes,

depending on what the rules and the styles were and what happened early, any of the three of those guys could have beat the other ones. Do you think Brock could be knocked out? Yeah, anybody can be knocked out. How high is the building he has to fall off of? I'm not sure.

Oh, go ahead. I was just going to say, say neither one of, neither Severn nor Shamrock would have probably knocked him out or even tried, you know, to knock him out. They would have tried to tap him out and Brock has tapped out before. Well, Jim, our next question, once again, from the Facebook group, the official call to Cornette, sent in by Perry Cox. I'm not sure if this has been...

You're just making ease up now. This is his name. Perry, says Perry, do it to it Cox. Yeah, is he the brother of Dixon Cox? I'm not sure if this has been covered before. I'm not sure how much we're going to have to bleep on YouTube, but I always wondered why the Midnight Express were not immediately put back in the World Tag title picture

over teams like Rude and Fernandez and Oli and Arn Anderson. I know they were U.S. tag champs not long after losing the World Tag titles, but it just seems to me as a fan they should have been the main challengers as the top heel tag team again sorry if this has been asked before but thank you well and

and honestly the way that it turned out with Ruden Fernandez and now they you know left and etc we should have been but I understand Dusty was trying to make a new heel team and he always liked Manny Fernandez and he saw something in Rick Rude

and they weren't the level of team that the Midnight Express were, but they had just teamed up, you couldn't expect them to be, but he wanted to make, as I said, a new heel team. And then they all fucking got mad and walked out.

But with also, in 1986, we were the World Tag Team champions eight months out of that year and the time that we weren't, it was the Rocker Roll Express. So, if we then lost the belts

to the rock and roll and then were the immediate guys trying to challenge him right away, there's almost no difference. He wanted to change things up, and that's why he instituted the U.S. tag team title and had us win the tournament, and then he pretty much, and he told us in these words, the U.S. tag belts of potta your ring outfit now, baby. They were almost always ours because he knew that his heels and with my promos, we could get heat out of just having belts and because we were former world champions

we would make them more prestigious for the baby faces going for them and we would drop them to somebody the fantastics whatever and then get them back because there was pot of our ring wardrobe but with Oli and Arne they were part of the horsemen and then later on it became Tully and Arne

and no problem with Tully and and Arne being the champions and the top heel team being pushed because they were excellent in their own way. But with Rudin Fernandez, yeah, for a while, before I really learned

what the fucking hindsight Dusty was probably trying to do, I was like, well, Jesus Christ, they went from us and the rock and roll to eh. But it was what it was. Well, Jim, our next question

sent via email to according to drive-thru at gmail.com is from Jeff in upstate New York can you fellas think of some other wrestlers that were so fucking good that they carried two nicknames

much less simultaneously also any any at all thoughts or comments on the master of the superplex the ace cowboy

Bob Orton he doesn't say Bob Martin says the Ace Cowboy would truly be appreciated. So I guess that may be where he's coming from what wrestlers with two nicknames, the Ace Cowboy. Oh, Ace Cowboy Bob. Ha, ha. A two nicknames.

What do you think of that? Well, I mean, I guess it's happened. And I'm blindsided by the question. So, Brian, can you think of any? Because I don't really know and I don't know that I've ever cared. But, you know, a lot of heels, when they would do promos, they would talk. themselves up as being this or that of the other thing. But Cowboy Bob Orton had already been Cowboy Bob Wharton for a long time.

And then he became ace because Roddy Piper started calling him ace in the promos. And that's kind of how that happened. Slick Rick? I don't know if you consider that. The Nature Boy. Yeah. I don't know if you consider that. I don't.

They weren't officially, you know, putting the newspaper. advertisements or you know whatever. Dr. Big Bill Miller. Well, there you go. But both were legitimate because he was a doctor of veterinary medicine so he was a doctor and he was 6'6 and 300 pounds so he was big.

Do you like Big as a nickname? I mean, some guys rock it like Big John Stud, but then there's also like, you know, Wayne Munn. Well, there's also Big Bill. Big Bill. What? That doesn't count. That's new. Well, and see, here's the thing. Big John Stud had a payoff.

Right? Big Bill has no payoff. He's big and he's John, but he's a stud. Whereas he's big and he's Bill. Even like Big Bad John. He was big and bad. That's because it was another qualifier. Yeah.

Big Bad John. You don't need a last name with a name like that. Everybody knows you're big. And you're bad. And you're John. You don't need to be big bad John Hinklemeier. See, that would be too much. And then you'd crowd yourself off the marquee.

And they'd just go with John Pismo or whoever was shorter. Any other wrestlers are two nicknames you could think of. Oh, well, the Legion of Doom, the Road Warriors. Well, but now as that nicknames, that's not really nickname, the Road Warriors was a team. The Midnight Express wasn't really a nickname. It was a team name. But they can't, well, that's true.

I was going to say they were... Beautiful Bobby and sweet Stan. They would have a beautiful, luscious Bobby and sweet gorgeous Stan. Well, the Sultan of Swing. Sweet Stan Lane. You called him that enough, right? No, no. He was the gangster of love.

Bobby was the Sultan of Swing. Ah, shit. Yeah, see? So the point is, this is a drivel question. But Bob Orton Jr. was one of the great workers of the fucking modern era. No doubt about that. This makes me think of my favorite ring introduction for whatever reason. From the land of the rising sun, the pearl of the Orient, the great Muda.

And that's Gary Hart terminology. He loved terminology like the Pearl of the Orient, brother. Well, I think that was actually the start of it. Gary Hart Presents. Yes. because he also liked to present people. Yeah, like he was Bill Graham, the concert promoter. Gorgeous George Jr. did that.

Also in Knoxville with the Mongolian Stomper, instead of managed by gorgeous George Jr., it was gorgeous George Jr. presents the Mongolian stomper. All right. Well, I have sent you something that came into a drive-thru email because it was- You have? Because it was kind of long, so I thought I would send it to you. But it follows up on a previous conversation we have had on the show

about syndicated wrestling television and a name that we didn't mention in that conversation Johnny Doyle. I'm looking at it right now. That email. The clipping from the Los Angeles Times of November 30th, 1950? Because we were talking about audience size.

Like how big could Hollywood wrestling have been? How many towns was it going in? How many stations was it on? What was the? the audience size. And this was across the country as what we were talking about when these tapes were being syndicated

to different stations around the country. But as I'm looking at this, Johnny Doyle was claiming that when wrestling bouts were being televised, 750,000 per show at the Long Beach Arena and 700,000

at Ocean Park. In addition, these two shows, are recorded and re-telecast over 26 stations in the United States to more than 10 million persons. So he's saying the local Los Angeles

airings were 750 and 700,000. And Kenya, I think we can believe that with the population of Los Angeles, even in 1950, and the fact there were what, three television stations maybe? If you

were watching TV. And again, going to the note, this was sent in by one of the listeners, Adam Smith, East Yorkshire, England. Let me see what he says here. I'm currently researching that period in Southern California and found the blow clipping from the LA Times 30th of November 1950. While there's no way to validate the viewing numbers Doyle puts forth, the station numbers are likely accurate. It's also noteworthy that this is after the first wrestler walkout at the Hollywood Legion in February 1950 that caused Doyle to cut down

on the amount of weekly television shows to just two. Yeah, remember that when TV first hit, they were started, the promotion was starting to get deals with TV stations to air the shows in Long Beach and the shows

in Ocean Park. And the wrestlers weren't getting paid for that, but because it was on television, it was hurting the live attendance. And that's And the Olympic. And the Olympic. Yeah, the Olympic too.

And that's how the wrestlers did get paid on the gates. So they wait, what the fuck? They walked out and they not only pressured for money for TV, but also for less television because it was hurting the live event gates. But at the same time, the arena promoters and the athletic commissions, as Adam mentions, were sending. no, put more on TV. But, you know, the wrestlers are like, fuck you, we're getting screwed. And that started that whole brew, ha ha. You know, it is interesting.

At some point, that was the first time that conversation happened. I'm not saying here, but at some point, late 40s, more than likely early 50s. Hey, we're not getting paid extra in Chicago, in Los Angeles, in Texas, wherever it may be. You know, you couldn't really sell it then, like these are being used to promote the local matches. Yeah. Because that really wasn't what wrestling TV was then. Well, they had never at that point sold guys on being on TV to promote the local matches

because, as you said, they weren't actually doing that yet. They had just started that when this started. So the promoters just started getting on TV and not paying the boys any extra. Sort of like 40 years later, Vince just starts selling home. video and not paying a boys any extra because nobody had ever fucking thought of it before because they didn't do it. You know, there's a name that needs

a good book or someone needs to write something good about him, Johnny Doyle, a major shaker in wrestling and in the middle of a lot of things. Yeah, and always friendly with Barnett and whoever the major promoters were in the business for years and years.

But he was Barnett's guy until he died. Yeah. All right. Well, that was the questions. We're going to get more questions on a drive-thru. And of course, if you have questions, you could submit them via email, Courtney Drive-Thru at gmail.com. If you were a member of the Facebook group, we will have a new post up soon.

And on Twitter, hashtag Courtney Drive-Thru. And I have a question for you, Brian, last. It's a mystery. What's going on? You okay? I thought I have a question for you. you, Brian last, I thought you would say, well, what is that, Jim Cornett? See, you thought you knew what I was going to do.

I threw a curveball. See, as Mama Cornett used to say, he thought he farted, but he shit. But my question to you is what in the world is going on at the Arcadian Vanguard Network this week? Oh, shit. Another fine week of programming on the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network. Get information on all the shows on Twitter at Super Podcasts or on Facebook. Facebook.com.

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The mothership. And we're going to find out who else has offspring that want to talk. Well, we somehow have to transition from here to something else. But there's so much laughter going on. just stop right now currently. Wait, wait a minute, Brian. I've got a breaking update here. News coming across the ticker.

A breaking update. On the entertainment desk here. Remember we were talking about, when I went to summer camp, they heard us into a room and they showed us a black and white movie on a fucking screen. They pulled down with a,

when we were holding a bottle of R.C. Cola and a moon pie. That was the entertainment, right? I couldn't remember the name of the movie I thought it was Grandma So-and-So Meets the Vampire. It was not Old Mother Riley meets the vampire, starring Bella Lagosie and Arthur Lucan, who played Old Mother Riley,

because it was a man dressed up as a woman. I can't remember all the particulars. Old Mother Riley meets the vampire. That was the movie. Who sent this in? How did you find out? I got on Twitter just now. I retweeted it. they included the poster.

Her old mother Riley meets the vampire. It was a comedy horror flick, done in Bella Legosi's morphine days. As in his entire career. Oh, come on now. I was hooked on junkist's entire career. He was, you know, well, at first he was just undead, and then he had to have prescriptions to cure that.

But anyway, so that's what that was. There. Fine flick. What'd you think of Ed Wood? What'd you think of Martin Landau as Belle Lugosi? I thought it was good. I liked, I've told you this before. George Steele was a great Tor Johnson, but they even contacted me in Knoxville to send them pictures of the Mongolian stomper when they were trying to cast the Tor J. But George Steele looked more like Tor Johnson because Archie was, even though he was almost 60, he was fucking etched.

he was goddamn cut sculptured if you will and that's what you thought of Ed Wood okay that's what no it was a good movie good movie very fine movie not no old mother Riley meets the vampire but it was good and Martin Landau's performance as Bella Legosi and he went all the way to actually use the real heroin too

that was that was incredible all right it's that kind of show today folks all right it's your show Well, it's my show, but you had some things to ask me about, Brian, as you told me earlier today before we went on the air. Well, we have a few things here that we haven't been able to do on the drive-thru, so we're going to conquer your show, take it over. Why is the drive-thru always so jammed and we got nothing going on over here these days? We're having the Yips movement. Everyone's coming and we're taking over your show and making it for the people here today.

Lots of desk drumming and all sorts of chaos. but Jim, we're going to have some guests to program. Before we get there, let's talk about some recent retro action figures or retro wrestling figures. What are you? There's really no action. I mean, you really can't say action, I don't think. I think you just say these are retro figures because... You can make them have action if you move them, but they're not, they're not self-animated.

They don't, they're not... There's no spring action. There's no spring action. No Kung Fu grip? Well, they have a grip. This PN News figure here I have in my hand has a grip on it. Oh, he's got a gold microphone. I was going to say he had an Egg Fu Young grip instead of a kung fu grip.

He was a... And by the way, we'll talk about this real quick because PN News is the latest figure that was put out by KWK. Let me grab one of these over here. These, uh... Yes, you're so loud. The official KWK, K-Fave Heroes Wrestling Line, PN News. There's two variants, one in his traditional baby blue, and of course one in his famed orange get up with the word, yo, right on front.

Yo! But we have a few extra of these that were thankfully sent over. Now, think about this. This was 1991. The kids had been rapping for a while at that point. and the brain trust that was Jim heard and the rest of the echelon at TBS thought that this guy was a cutting-edge rapper because he said, yo. Well, he actually said, yo, baby, yo, baby, yo.

And it always made me laugh because that was the thing that Eddie Murphy made the guy say at like gunpoint at Beverly Hills Cop 2. Say, do you like rap music? Say, yo, baby, yo, baby, it's a same thing. Almost not at gunpoint unless you looked at the ratings. Not at gunpoint. But that's what PN News was saying to the audience. They tried everything else but gunpoint.

That's, I don't even, I think people would have just said, go ahead and shoot. Well, like I said, we have a couple of these rare figures because it was not a large run. So, these are all collector's items. We have a couple extras that were sent over to us by KWK Shawning. We're going to have a contest on the Caltic Quinet Facebook group. Best rap. write a rap and we'll judge it. The experts in rap, Jim Gornett.

Now, wait a minute. You're saying that they have to write a rap and then we got to read it and we got to judge it. So if you've read the raps they've written, you'll know they're really well-written raps. Yeah, it has to be something about the show or about something we talk about. It can't just be, here's the rap I wrote years ago. I've been waiting for my chance. And also be conscious that we're not going to be able to read it or listen to it if it's just filled with filth. So if it's something...

Unlike this program. If it is something in rhyme that the Von Erics would reject in 1983, don't send it in. But otherwise, the Cult of Cornette Facebook group will have more about that. Jim, I have here. Let me move over here. You're over there now. The latest from the official grapplers and gimmicks line by Hastel Toys.

Is this Lynn Denton's firm? No, that would be just grappler. no grapplers and gimmicks. Oh, okay. So he started grappler and gimmicks, and now they're trading on grapplers and gimmicks trying to avoid some kind of copyright infringement. Hold on on this topic.

Should they have stayed the grapplers? Or do you think becoming the dirty white boys was the right move? I think at the time the dirty white boys was a better move because, honestly, Lynn was great with the grappler gimmick, but it was pushed and it was established in Portland. When they came to Tennessee as the grapplers, there had been so many masked guys and so many mass jobbers

and just so much of the mass thing had been prostituted that I think when you could see their faces, and especially it gave Tony a gimmick for years after that, but when you could see their faces and, you know, because they were both excellent workers, it was better for that particular place and time. Well, the tag team featured here from Hastel Toys. No name. A lost opportunity to say, not the Mounties, the Pierre, the Pierre Carl Ulet and Jacques Rouge.

Pierre Cololette, you see, you don't have good French accents there, Brian. Oh, you do? Well, yes. Oh, you do? Oh, you do? Oh, you do? Wee, monsieur. Oh, I see.

Oh. I do. A pet de pet te put two. A tu. All right. And the soups on and the soup and then you have the cooking. First of all, we apologized to all our French and French Canadian fans. Second of all.

No, I'm not apologizing any French Canadians. They never apologized to anybody else. Once again, I have here, they were known as the Quebecers in the Dutch. WWE in 1993, which was known as a WWF actually in 1993. What do you think the finishing maneuver listed here for Pierre Carl Ulette? What do you think the finishing maneuver is? Oh, good Lord. I'm trying to, because it's never, almost never what they actually used.

Almost never. Yeah, they've caught us a few times. They caught us a couple times. But secondly, I'm trying to remember what they were using. Was it the Eloetta, Jeunty Eloy Eloyette? I don't know. The Canadian Crunch. Okay, I don't remember the Canadian

crunch being, unless that's a soft drink. What was Jock's finishing maneuver? Or what is the figure's finishing maneuver for Jock, I guess I should say? Jacques finishing maneuver was getting so much heat that they finished him up. That's right. Jock's Jolt. Jok's Jolt. Jok's Jolt.

Is that why they finished him up in 94? I can't, which I can't remember what he, he went through a time or two. No, Jacques was a fine talent, but he had ways of getting heat on himself because of the French-Canadian air that he exhibited. And by the way, the back of this figure promises coming soon. A couple of interesting figures. We have downtown Bruno. Oh, right. Who's dressed like Brian Hildebrand for some reason.

And here's a big one, James W. Ware. James W. Ware with his faithful bird, who I guess... But no, wait a minute. How in the world can he not be Cocoa? He was Cocoa where in his first wrestling match in 1978. That was six years, seven years before he went to the WWF. How could he not be Cocoa where now? Well, somewhere along the way he sold the rights to Coco to someone, but I don't know how that would work.

He sold his soul to Coco? That's not exactly. what I said, and it sounds so ridiculous because it is, but there it is, uh, the upcoming, uh, figures, but this is the recent release, grapplers and gimmicks, hastel toys, not the Mounties, not the Quebecers, but almost. Not Coco. Jim, I have here. I wonder, could he just be co? Co-wear? Can he be co-wear? Well, I have here from zombie sailors official wrestling heels and

faces toy line. President Jack Toney. Oh, my God. Although it doesn't say president. It just says Jack Toney. I don't know if they're allowed to list the official office title that he had for the bullshit position, but he wasn't really the president, but he was someone who made as much money on the WWF expansion almost as much as any wrestler in some ways, right? What are you talking about almost as much as any wrestler? Jack Toney, I guarantee you, made more money at that period of time in his affiliation with the WWF than any of the boys did.

Maybe Hogan. Maybe Hogan. Because not only was the Tunney family, really the operators and manipulators of Ontario wrestling and that part of Canada wrestling for years and years, even predating Vince McMahon Jr., but Canada was always an important market for the WWF during the time of Vince's expansion and God damn who was it just cut the promo on one of the programs

saying even when business was down Canada was always there and it was true and Jack Tunney as owner of the promotion and the ruling family there out of Toronto with those states shows they did and the Skydome and blah, blah, blah, blah, I would think he made more money at that period of time than any of the boys, as I said, maybe except for Hogan,

because the promoters of markets like that were always making more money than the fucking boys. So I have this figure here, and again, it's cool for someone like me or other nerds who are trying to complete their collection of every living person that was involved with wrestling in the toy years. But Jack Tunney as president on screen, was there a least charismatic man to ever be president of a wrestling company? And what are your thoughts?

What should that role be? What kind of personality do you think should be in that kind of role? Well, remember when they had Bob Geigel on television as the president of the NWA, because he was the president of the NWA and he had flip-flops and shorts on and a Hawaiian shirt and had bald head fucking hell

and that was the way he really dressed but we didn't need to know that Jack Tunney you didn't need charisma at that point to be the president of the of the WWF or be the figurehead president

of a wrestling promotion you were supposed to be an older guy that looked good in a suit and was saying legitimate shit and not sounding like a gimmick so that the gimmicks the talent, and their antics and behavior would stand out. And then, you know, there's always been the commissioner or the special promotional executive

or the representative of the promotion that was really in the office some kind of way, was one of the boys or had retired from being one of the boys. and I think those types are easier to draw money with because you can get them in the ring or they can do angles or they can cut promos with Jack Tunney obviously you couldn't do any of that because he couldn't do any of that but he was a really stately looking gray-haired gentleman

who you could believe was the president of a fucking you know some type of sports organization so it's pick your poison I always like the Gorilla Monsoon type or the you know the the Bill Watts type

or the Bob Armstrong type or the type that you could get in the ring and do shit with or he could be involved physically When I was a kid it blew my mind with my father who wasn't a wrestling fan but he kind of knew who the major players were

when he told me that Vince McMahon owned WWF not Jack Tunney again I was a kid I didn't realize you could be the president and not own the company. But the idea that there was the commentator who Jesse Ventura yelled at and not Jack Tunney, that blew my mind. So that's what happened to it.

It was Vince McMahon and Jack Tunney's fault. How many people have said that? So you've been blown by Vince McMahon and Jack Tunney? I did not say that. Again, this whole episode has just been an incredible insight into clearly a filthy, filthy mind. Filthy, filthy, filthy. Jim, I have another figure here. This one, once again, from the Hastel Toys, Grapplers and Gimmicks Toy Line.

The new Mark Mero action figure. Does it come with Sable's suitcase? It comes with three variants. There is a... No, he wasn't even good enough for one variant. He was straight down the middle. He just... That's what you got.

Well, no, this one has red... on white trunks or red and white trunks. This other one has black and yellow, and of course, black and silver or gray here. Mark Merrill, what do you think his finishing maneuver is? Oh, boy. Divorce Papers? The Wild Wamp. The Wild Wamp.

Okay. Well, he wasn't the wild thing. Was he the Wild one? Wild man. Wild man. Wild man. He was a wild man. That's another one.

I told you the story when Bruce was all excited about signing Mark Henry, he can dunk a basketball. He was over the moon about Mark Morrow because Vince was over the moon about Mark Morrow. Because Vince McMahon was over the moon about Johnny B. Bad, which is what he thought he was getting when he got Mark Mero. And then you should have heard Bruce trying to sell me Sable. and his wife's beautiful and she's coming with him. I say he's going to be a baby face? Oh, yeah. Well, why does he need the woman?

Well, because she's his wife and she's beautiful. Well, then everybody will be staring at her and not paying any attention to him. And why does a baby face need a girl in his corner? Isn't that rather presumptuous and obnoxious of him? He's this big ladies man. Oh, no, they're a married couple. Even worse. Then the goddamn, the women won't like him because he's married and the men won't like him

because he's married this fucking hot chick. Bruce and I couldn't get along on these gimmicks, as you can tell. By the way, everything I said would happen came to pass, but nevertheless. You know, it's crazy. His name is Mark Mero, M-E-R-O, and there's so many similarities between him and M-I-R-O. M-I-R-O. Maybe they could be a team. Mero and M-R-O.

No, Mark Mero, he's older now. He could be M-R-O-R-R-O. manager, accompanied by Mero Mero. Well, we have here, Jim, one more figure here today. And actually, there's two of these. Let me grab this. I'm very happy to say two of these are on the way to you right now in the mail. Bless your little peep-picking heart.

This is the latest from Mattel's WWE Legends toy line, the brand new Big Bubba Rogers action figure. There are two variants. There is one with a white shirt, black suspenders, brown hat, and there is one with a blue shirt, black suspenders and a black hat. Both come with sunglasses. The UWF Heavyweight Championship and a, I guess what you would say, return to WCW, Bubber Rogers' late 90s head as well if you wanted to switch to head out. Tell me read the description to you, Jim. Wait a minute, he still, he had the same fucking head.

Well, no, but the hair, the, the head on the figure here. The head on the hair, the... It has a beard, it has a mustache, it has longer hair, the big boss man, it's a goatee, more of a crew cut kind of look. And that's what he returned as, but anyway, the description, Big Bubba Rogers was a force to be reckoned with in the 80s, the 1980s, to be exact. The agile big man began his career as a bodyguard for Jim Cornett and the Midnight Express before taking on legends, like Dusty Roads, one man gang, and Michael Hayes. Later, I never think of, I never think of Big Bubber Rogers versus Michael Hayes ever.

Not exactly a briscoe and funk rivalry, but... Later, Rogers traveled to WWE where he dished out hard time as Big Big Big. boss man. So we finally get, everyone has their Midnight Express Action Figures and of course Cornett Collectibles at Jimcornet.com. Well, thank you. You actually anticipated. I was going to say if you need more classic wrestling figures,

the Midnight Express and Heavenly Bodies Tag Team set available at Jim Cornett.com, but go ahead. But now there is a big Bubba to protect the Jim Cornett action figure. To serve and protect? What are your thoughts on the fact that there is this, uh, they call them a, chase the shirt variant, the blue shirt, which is the harder one to get.

Again, not dark blue, but like a, you know, a blue shirt. Well, like the blue boss man. Like the big boss man had a blue boss man. Yes, or the blue ball man. I don't know. What I'm trying to say to you is the boss man had the blue shirt because it was more of a police officer type of apparatus, whereas Big Bubba had a white shirt. Well, that's what I was going to ask you, because, you know, it's funny.

When I saw this, I started thinking to myself, did he ever wear that as Big Bubba? Again, it's not as dark blue. Not that it was dark blue, is the big boss man's uniform, but as a dress shirt. Yes. Blueish. Well, because they can't do an actual police or guards uniform, or that would be the infringement upon the trademark of the Big Boss man. I don't know if that's, well, we'll see what you think.

Big Bubba Rogers wore white shirts. He didn't wear a blue shirt. but not to be bogged down in minutia I'm glad to see that Big Bubba got a figure and that's why I thought it was so crazy when he left the WWF and they brought him back in WCW that they didn't immediately

and permanently make him Big Bubba Rogers and that they tried to do these the Guardian Angel and the boss and the boss. Yeah. All these stupid trying to get around the copyright, Big Bubba had been a big deal five years previously in the same company.

And it was also, it was him as much as the, and I understand why Vince changed Big Bubba to the boss man, because he wants to own the gimmicks and blah, blah, blah, and it was more of a WWF gimmick. But it was still Bubba because he was a prison guard, Cobb County and Marietta, and he had that in him

and the Big Bubba thing was what he had created himself and made based on the parameters that Dusty and I gave him as far as just a wrestling bodyguard and the things he needed to pick up on

pretty quick but that other stuff was just foolishness and it wasn't gimmicks that looked good on him and it wasn't stuff that he could sink his teeth into and it was just trying to remind people in a vague way about who he had been before when he was in a big company Pinocchio.

So I hated all that other shit. He was too good for that. What are your thoughts on the figure coming with the UWF championship? Well, that is the... Think about this. Bubba... I don't even know if Dusty ever put him in a match for a title when he was our bodyguard and working the Crockett

into the territory when they bought UWF. Dusty had so much faith in him and wanted to create or get him to the next level even above that and create another single heel star and put the belt on him but that's the only singles belt he ever had or even challenged for before he went to the WWF.

I love that match too, him against the one-man gang on UWF TV for the title because they're both heels. One man gang had been there for a while with Akbar. Bubba had never been there, ever. And the fans that were still left at that point reacted to it, though the same way I did at home. It was such a big deal. These two guys could both move. Yeah. What were they both? 6-6 or 6-7? Gang was one of those guys was deceptively big. I don't know if he was taller than 6-4 or 6-5, but because of his weight and just the space he took.

took up. Bubba was probably about 666, 6, 7 maybe, and he weighed a little bit more, but they were both very similar in when they first started the business, because gang started with the Pafos in ICW

and when I was watching those TVs, I was like, my God, here's this fucking guy, this size that nobody's ever heard of before has never wrestled anywhere else, and he's taken these over-the-top rope bumps and you know, over the top of the post and all this other stuff.

And then when Bubba came along, what, like five, six years later than gang, he was doing a, he was taking unique and different style bumps. And he had a different style of offense because he had, he had really again had on the job training and had figured this out as he was going along. So it, but he figured out some different shit that worked for him. and he picked it up quick, and it was totally unique for a style for a big guy at that time. But I can't wait to see the figure, even with all the different heads. Figures, different heads, different shirts, you'll be getting them in the mail.

And of course, those are retro figures. Thank you to everyone for making cool figures. But on the topic of cool figures, and of course, anyone who gets this big Bubba Rogers figure, you need Midnight Express Action figures. Let's talk about Cornett's collectibles. Well, indeed we should. We should mention jimcornet.com, the fine quality merchandise with the low prices,

including, as I mentioned, the Midnut Express, Eaton and Lane and Eaton and Condry sets. The heavily body sets remain dwindling. They are going fast. And, of course, all the other fine merchandise, including my T-shirts, books, DVDs, cult of Cornett membership certificates, periodicals, personal grooming items, snacks, peanut butter crackers.

You get all kinds of stuff at Jim Cornett.com. I'm not going to stop you and protect you the same way I try to do our friendly sponsors. Well, that's because we're not friendly. We don't need to be because we do the business. At Jimcoronet.com, we don't need to be friendly because we sell shit dirt cheap. And that's what you want to pay for it, is dirt. All right. Well, Jim, would you like to do some guest to program before we wrap things out?

I've been waiting for this. I'm going to kick your ass today. If we haven't prepped the folks, guess the program, the recurring segment, one of our most popular, where you pick a program, give me the lineup, and it is my job to try to determine the year that this happened

and the place that this happened. Now you're making all kinds of noises over there. I'm flipping through stuff. I'm flipping through stuff. I'm flipping through stuff. and you're swallowing and... I'm not swallowing. Something sounded like glug, glug, glug.

All right, well, let's go to this gym. We have a whole bunch of here. It's been a long time since we've gone through them, so the pile has grown. This is a gimmie. We'll start with a nice easy one for you. Okay. I know how old you are.

Rocky Smith versus Tony Belajeron. Belerian. Exactly. In a tag team match, Eddie Graham and Sam Steamboat versus Gene Dundee and Tamya Soto. Tamayo. They left out a letter here in this program. Sailor Art Thomas in a handicap match

against Tojo Yamamoto and Bob Arnold. An intermission, where lucky numbers in the program will be announced, And the main event, Lester Welch and Buddy Fuller versus the Von Brauner brothers. Alrighty then. Rocky Smith would later on go to become, go on, go on to become, go on to become one of the masked infernos. One of the several that used that gimmick. Tony Belersian was a sibling of the Belersian brothers that were big, especially in the North, and in the 50s, they were all strong men, were they not? Did feats of strength and daring do?

And daring do, yes. Daring do, as opposed to the people who daring don't, because they don't want to be daring. Tomayo Soto, and did you say Gene Dundee? That is indeed who I said, yes. Obviously not Bill Dundee. Didn't Gene Dundee become a... God damn, was he a brother of the Monroe, Sputnik Monroe at one time, or him?

I think he became another brother of someone. Nevertheless, 80 Graham and Sam Steamboat were the perennial tag team baby face champions and or singles champions in the Florida territory. And at this period of time, which was in the mid-1960s, they were also doing quite a bit of work in Memphis, Tennessee. Art Thomas versus Tojo Yamamoto and Bob Arnold, I believe Bob Arnold was a heel referee gimmick that they were doing at that period of time. And Tojo was a heel. Art Thomas was a baby face.

He didn't work the Memphis Territory often, but they brought Art Thomas, Bobo Brazil, and different people in because of the heavy African-American population. And finally, I assume that Lester Welch and Buddy Fuller are fighting the Von Brauners for the World Tag Team title. Would that be the case? There is no title listed. No title listed. But you know, they did that many times. It's got to be Memphis, Tennessee.

The question I have in my mind is whether it's 1965 or 1966 or 1967. So I'm going to split the difference to go with 66. The venue, or the city at least, Memphis, Tennessee, sponsored by the American Legion Post number one, Monday night, September 20th, 1965. Son of a bitch. All right, well, I was a few months off. All right, we have another one here, Jim. This one may be a little closer to home.

Let's see if you can get this one. The opening bout... You sound like you're one of the psychics in the supper club shows and their stooge sends them verbal cues. This one may be closer to home. The opening bout, Bobby Fulton, filling in for Skip Young, versus El Diablo out of Mexico. The second event

Noted Dirtbag and Pervert Buck Rock and Roll Zumhoff Hawaii versus the missing link from three question marks The third event A Texas death match Kerry

Special referee So what it says Just carry Not Carrie by Eric There was a famous match I used to joke about it with Scott Cornish where Mark Lawrence announced, the winner of the match, Kevin. It doesn't really work, but Texas death match,

Kerry's special referee, falls don't count, 30-second rest period after fall. If someone can't answer, a 10-count after rest. End of match. Terry Gordy from Atlanta versus Killer Khan from Mongolia. The fourth event, a special challenge bout, Mike Von Erick versus Gino Hernandez. The fifth bout,

Kerry von Erick, and the Iceman, King Parsons, versus Jake the Snake Roberts, and Kelly Kinnisky. The sixth event, the Battle of Women. The Battle of Women. Battle of Women.

Sunshine in Corner. Stella May French from Florida versus Andrea the Lady Giant Nicola Roberts Lubbock The seventh event The American Tag Team titles The Champs the Fantastics Tommy Rogers

Bobby Fulton says Tommy Roberts Tommy Roberts and Bobby Fulton from the City of Angels Chilacothy, Ohio versus the PYTs, Norville Austin and Cocoa Ware, Memphis. The eighth event, Jesus Christ.

A special revenge challenge match. Chick Donovan, Santa Monica, versus General... San Monica. Versus General Akbar, Egypt. Well, he's closer to being from Egypt than Chick is from Santa Monica. Now, that was a special revenge challenge.

The main event, an ultimate revenge match. Kevin Von Erick versus Chris Adams. Okay. I narrowed it down with the fantastics and the PYTs, I'm going to lean toward 1984. I mean, this is obviously world class. From the number of matches, it's almost got to be a Star Wars event of some kind, whether Tarrant County Convention Center or Reunion Arena.

At first, I was leaning toward 1983 because some of the names on there, but some of those guys were, you know, there for several years. With the fantastics being on the card and the PYTs especially, Norville and Cocoa's, especially, Norville and Coco started that gimmick in Memphis and then they came down and did some shots in Louisiana

when the rock and roll had gone back to Tennessee working with us as baby faces in 1984 and the Fantastic's got there around about that time so all things considered I'm saying this is a major world-class event at a big

big building in sometime between summer and winter of 1984. Jim, this is the second annual Turkey Day Spectacular at Reunion Arena November 22nd, 1984. There you go. So just a couple of months before you would arrive.

And then they wouldn't need eight or ten matches anymore. They had us. You upset? You didn't get to see the Battle of Women? I've told you this. Stella May was my dry cleaner. Yeah, you said that. Was that during this period, that was like in 85? It was like three months later.

Well, I moved there in January of 85 and I get the apartment and I go down the dry cleaners and she said, oh, I know you. Oh, and what was her name she used to work for Mula years ago? It was, um... She was reminded me that woman in Bad News Bears who, like, worked at the Little League. Like, she was always around the Little League game. I don't know exactly what her role was. That's what she always reminded me of.

But she had been a woman wrestler in the old days and then moved to Dallas and ran into somebody. And they said, hey, this would be a great fucking deal. But yeah, she was working the counter at the dry cleaners. All right. We have another one here, Jim. This one, the first event, one fall, 20-minute time limit. Bronco Lubic.

Oh, boy. Versus Jack Allen, 229. of Milwaukee. A special event, one fall, 30-minute time limit. Ilya de Paolo, spelled E-L-I-O,

versus Earl McCready. Jesus Christ. Joe Tiger Tomaso versus Tex-McKenzie. The special, or, the, excuse me, the semi-wind-up, one fall 45-minute time limit,

Tiny Mills versus Sugi Hayamaka and the main event one fall one hour time limit Al Mr. Murder Mills versus Ken Kenneth

Wow, okay Bronco Lubitsch was most famous in his world class days as the older referee on world-class TV, but Bronco had been a manager and before that a wrestler. It was a great guy, saved his money. Boys you say he was worth more than the federal government.

Jack Allen, who the fuck knows. Elio de Paolo was the favorite son of Buffalo, New York, and through the Northeast there in the Pedro Martinez promotion, Cleveland Buffalo, Rochester was a huge baby face. Earl McCready was started wrestling in what the 30s? He was an old old timer. Tiger Tomaso, Tiger Joe Tomaso,

later on became one of the assassins in the 60s with Guy Mitchell, right? They were bruiser's assassins. Tex McKenzie, we've talked about many times. If they were already billing him as Tex McKenzie and not Hugh McKenzie or some of the other names that he used as a rookie, this would have to be 1959, 60, 61, thereabouts,

Tiny and Al Mills were the tag team of Murder Incorporated. And they were both very large men. And as far as I know, Suji Hayamaka had to be some Japanese gimmick they gave somebody else because I've never heard that name before. and Ken Kenneth I'm struggling as well so I have reason to believe that this is upstate New York or

those environs of the country in 1959 the location Calgary Alberta Canada son of a bitch the date October 15th

1954. 54. Holy shit. Okay, Bronco Lubich, I didn't know he was ever underage. Young Stars Open Program. There will be two newcomers on Friday night's wrestling program at Victoria Pavilion. In addition to Tex McKenzie, the lanky Texas cow hand, who meets Tiger Tomaso, Montreal will send young Bronco Lubich into the ring against Jack Allen of Milwaukee. Lubich. Montreal, by the way. Broncos like fucking Czechoslovakian or Lithuanian or something, didn't he? And by the way, it's spelled Lou Bich, L-U-B-I-T-C-H.

Oh, my God. L-Bich at 220 pounds is rated as an up-and-coming youngster, the same as Alan, who made his first appearance last week. They meet for one fall in 20 minutes, and although the bout is a curtain raiser at 8.30 p.m., it is an important one for the two young hopefuls will have their sights set on better spots in the future. So while Tex-McKenzie and Bronco started out

around the same time and we're working the territory together. All right, but I've completely fucked that up. I was the wrong side of the fucking continent and five years off. All right, here's another one. This one may be, oh, I got two from this venue. I got to pick one. I'll pick this one. All right.

Torrid All-Star Thrillomania, a thrillorama, excuse me, bouts. The opening bout, one fall, 20 minutes. Pancho Pico. Oh, good Lord. Versus Gypsy Biviano. One fall 20 minutes. Rick Valenzuela versus Mr. Yamamoto. One fall, 20 minutes.

Akio Yashahara. Oh, for heaven's sake. Versus Carlos Cruz. Chuck Carbo versus Ray Gordon. Oh. Two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit.

Don Arnold versus Ray Valdez. In the main event, two out of three falls, one-hour tag team match. the Dupree brothers and manager Major Sam Bass versus Don Bulldog Kent and Louis Martinez Okay, so we are in the Arizona territory. Why would you say that?

What would cause you to say that? I said, well, because I've never, now I briefly remember seeing the name Pancho Pico. I don't have any idea who Gypsy Zabidae is or Valenzuela or Mr. Yamamoto. I don't think that was Tojo or Carlos Cruz or whatever,

but when you got to Chuck Carbo, Chuck Carbo was one of the long-time baby faces in the old-time Phoenix territory. Was Ray Gordon Guillotine Gordon at one point? You may be right, but there was no picture obviously here.

Actually, Ray Gordon Judge the Hercules of the Wrestling World in a July issue of Red Hot Magazine Wrestling Review, see photos and big time ranking. Well, Don Arnold was also an Arizona name. It's just a little quarter with a little photo of his face, and it says, Pancho Picco is one of the most exciting wrestlers

in the U.S. And if you don't think so, you're punchy. But the Dupree brothers against Don Kent and Luis Martinez, Ron and Ron Dupree and Chris Colt as they would be

more widely known. The manager Sam Bass is that the Tennessee Sam Bass Fred White before his Tennessee run because he did outlaw shit before Lawler ran into him in

Alabama and Mississippi in 1970. Was he ever called Major Sandbass? Not that I'm aware of. I have to say this is, yeah, this is the Phoenix Territory, and this would be, what, 1968, 69, somewhere in that area? The venue, Madison Square Garden, Phoenix, Arizona, Arizona, Arizona, June 16th, 1967.

Boom. Well, there you go. There's a big $25 cash win-win-win contest tonight. Winning ticket must match color. Official program of the wrestling matches. Then it says, this is bizarre. You buy a program, not a chance. What the fuck is that?

Well, no, I'll tell you exactly what that is. because depending on state and local laws, raffles or games of chance or whatever are illegal. So you are buying the program. You're not paying money for the chance at winning something. Oh, wow. That's secondary and complementary to the thing. Please notice state laws prohibit the throwing of things into the ring. Your cooperation is solicited.

It is also against the law for you to strike a wrestler. Profanity is forbidden. Sounds like a real party over there in Phoenix. Well, I'm telling you, no, they had to fucking specifically mention those things because the small-time territories were tougher on the heels than the big territories. All right, I have a program here, but the story is really the story on the cover. We'll get to this. The first event, Bobby Christie versus Gentleman Ed Sharp, Hamilton, Ontario.

Canada. One fall 15 minutes. Okay. Also one fall, 15 minutes for the second event. Tommy Phelps, Dallas, Texas, versus Blackie Mendoza, Juarez, Mexico. The third event, six-man tag team match. Nick Roberts, Tampa, Florida, Joe Hamilton, St. Louis, Missouri, and Bobby Christie, Woodland Hills, California, versus Dr. X. O'Toole,

Phoenix, Arizona. Boy, that's the Irish masked fucking assassin, Dr. X. O'Toole. We'll see what more we can find out about him in a moment. Ed Sharp, Hamilton, Ontario, and tough Tony Morelli,

Brooklyn, New York. The first main event for the International Heavyweight Championship, the champion Sunny Myers, St. Louis Missouri versus the challenger Poncho Lopez out of Mexico City

one hour time limit two out of three falls the second main event North American Championship the champion Iron Mike DiBiase Omaha Nebraska versus Anton Ripper Leone

Oyster Bay Long Island New York I added the Long Island Oyster Bay New York two out of three falls one hour hour time limit. Well, goddamn. Now I think at first when I heard

the Sharp brothers, Ed Sharp, Mike Sharp, Ben Sharp, I said, was it maybe up the Northeast? Then Tommy Phelps became someone, I think, and I can't remember who.

Then I hear Nick Roberts. Go ahead. No, no, maybe I'm wrong. I was going to say, was he one of the wrestlers that he became a, preacher? Am I thinking to someone else? No, that's not who I'm thinking of.

Nick Roberts would be most noted as being Nicola Roberts's father and a Texas mainstay wrestler and promoter, but that doesn't guarantee we're in Texas, because there's Joe Hamilton, who was all over the place early in his career. I was right, because I have this in my collection. the record, that was what I was trying to say, the wrestling record, I wrestled with God before he was the nature boy Tommy Phelps

after evangelist Tommy Phelps. Okay. All right, I was thinking of the, like the, what, the gorgeous George rip-off guy. Oh, that's another guy to give a preacher. Yeah, he became a preacher too, right? Yeah. And then when he died, people said,

oh, the gorgeous, the original gorgeous George's died. And he was, his whole thing was built on a lie, not just the evangelism, but also the wrestling. I don't know who the fuck Dr. X-O-2 is. Sonny Myers was a central state's mainstay, but he at the same time wrestled early in his career all over the place. But then we go to Mike DiBiase, who was well-known in Texas again, Ripper Leone, who later on would become an outlaw promoter in California, but at this time he was a wrestler.

For Joe Hamilton, to be on the card, it's got to be early 60s, because he main evented as an 18-year-old in Madison Square Garden with his brother, Larry, and what, 1959, were in West Texas at 1962 or three. I give up. Never give up. I believe in you. We are in Amarillo, Texas, wrestling at its best. Thursday, September 29th, 1960.

Ah! I don't know who Dr. X. O'Toole is. Has a picture of a masked wrestler here, but it doesn't have information about that. I have to see what else I can find out. There's a few interesting things here. This is from, apparently, originally, the Jack Pfeffer collection.

Oh, my God. There's a big sticker stuck to the front of it. It says, managed by Jim. Jeffer. And it's on the front cover. Coming next week, October 6th, seeing this arena in person, the most incredible wrestling star of all.

Tricy Ricky Star. In ballet slippers. The man women rave about. Don't miss the world's greatest box office attraction. The man that sold out Madison Square Garden more than any other wrestler. The most amazing wrestling talent in the history of modern day wrestling. An economy-sized giant among Goliaths, 27 years old.

It's a good thing Pfeffer wasn't given over to hyperbole. 27 years old, 205 pounds, 5 feet 10 inches tall. The amazing Ricky Star danced with the Midwestern Opera and Ballet Association, the municipal opera company of St. Louis, two Broadway shows, Annie, get your gun and paint your wagon, the theater and ballet, Rousse de Mont, de Monte Carlo, I don't know what the fuck this is, and then there's a comma and it ends. That's Jack Pfeffer hyping us up. Wait a minute.

No, that's like the Patty Duke show. You know, Kathy adores the menu at the Ballet Ruse and Crape Suzanne. Oh, shit, you wait. But he's only seen as a girl can see from Brooklyn Heights. What a crazy pair. Well, apparently, Ricky Starr, the sensational. Madison Square Garden attraction did all those things

and on the back cover. He was a big attraction at that time but I think Jack's laid it on a little thick there. On the back cover is a picture of it's not the clearest of photos. It appears to be some sort of tractor or some kind of farm equipment with Happy

Humphrey next to it. Coming Thursday, October 13th the biggest freak in the world. Wow! The human blimp. Happy Humphrey, 750 pounds, his tremendous weight advantage

makes big handicap for all opponents. And this is written by people who liked him. And then there's a list here coming attractions. Ricky Star, wrestling number one box office attraction, the man, women rave a bet, like Fever just wrote this shit

over at all. Former ballet star, the most incredible wrestling star of all here Thursday, October 6th. Hans, Blockbuster Schnabel. Hans. Hans, excuse me. Hans. Hans, Blockbuster, Schnable.

He's never used Blockbuster Schnable. 265-pound German assassin here October 6th. The human blimp, Humphrey, 750 pounds. Top novelty attraction in wrestling coming October 13th. Doesn't that appeal more to the promoter than? the fan. He's the top novelty attraction and wrestling. Well, that is, there have

always been a lot of promoters that would use terminology that meant something to them, but that wasn't ever used in real life. Vince McMahon. It wasn't ever used in real life, but it meant something to them or whatever. And they'd try, and that's, it's

all hyperbole, whether it's the Bob Luce's or the Jack Fevers or whatever, you kill, breed, violence. That type of thing, just hype. Well, the world champion is Pat O'Connor, North American champ, Iron Mike DiBiase, international champ Sonny Myers, the World Tag Team Champions, Nick Roberts and Jody Hamilton. Attention wrestling fans. Our wrestling promoter, Doc Sarpolis, after serious consideration, has decided to disregard the National Wrestling Alliance Advisory ruling that, all future main events be one fall matches. He is instead going back to his old policy

of longstanding. Therefore, all main events will continue being the best two out of three falls with one hour time limit or to a finish. What's that about baby facing the promoter to the fans? Well, because especially in... Who didn't want to lose their two out of three falls matches. Isn't that Well, in a lot of smaller territories, like in the Tennessee territory or out in West Texas or down in the Gulf Coast,

cards in the 60s, early 70s were three matches. And every match would be two out of three falls so you'd get the full-length show. Right? But it's the same you didn't have to pay any more wrestlers. They just wrestled longer. And when the NWA went to

one fall matches with the whole thing, especially for the world title with Thess and Rogers and trying to make sure everybody played ball, a lot of the local promoters didn't like that because they had trained their fans two out of three. So guys could drop falls in a two out of three match and it wasn't the same thing as getting beat. And then once the guys started figuring out that,

well, even if we're going two out of three, he's still beating me one. you know, with a body slam or whatever, then that became a problem and blah, blah, blah. All right, let's get one more. I'm looking through a... I've got a big pile here. I got to make sure... I got to get a list of what we've already done.

I never want to... You're bragging about the size of your pole or pile or whatever you just said. Pile. I said pile. I didn't say pole. Sicko, weirdo. What is that? Pohl.

Museum. All right. Here we go. This program. the card opening bout Matador Matta or Mata

I guess I should say versus Sandar Akbar Sandor S-A-N-D-O-R Jack Daniels Aderick versus Timmy Gio Hagan finishing out the preliminaries

Bulldog Pletches versus Ronnie Etchinson the semi-final a tag team encounter. Nick Kozak and Ken Hollis versus Carl von Brauner and Al Costello. And the main event,

the main event, two out of three falls, 90 minute time limit. Kenji Shibuya versus Ernie Ladd. Ooh, okay. Sandor Akbar would probably be Skandor Akbar, but it would be that

that is not his regular territory. And since he's in a preliminary, that was when he was wrestling and not when he was a manager. And he was a bigger card as a manager than as a wrestler. Don't know who Jack Daniels is, but Ronnie Etchison, Bulldog Danny Pletches, and Timothy Gio Hagan indicate that this is early 60s to mid-60s. Carl von Brauner and Alcon,

Costello were the internationals. At a period of time, Carl was not teaming with Kurt and Costello. That's in between Roy Heffernan and Don Kent as kangaroo partners. Kozak is a West Texas and Texas name from way back. Hollis, I don't know. And Shibuya versus Lad, unless this was a very odd happenstance,

Shibuya would have been the heel. Kenji Shibuya was one of the big Japanese heels of the 60s and especially out in California in northern California. But Ernie Ladd being the baby face would indicate that this was when he was still playing

football and wrestling and early in his career, which started in 63. I'm going to say this is this is 1967 and God damn it

are you crossing me up and we're in Texas again because elsewise I'm it would almost think that it might have to be Northern California but it doesn't look right for Northern California so we're back in Texas somewhere in 1966 or 67 possibly Houston

Well, it's a good way to close out with a nice win for you. Okay! The card, Houston, Texas, Friday, January 6th, 1967. Boom! The Golf Athletic Club is the promoter, Mrs. Shirley Carringer, the assistant promoter. A tribute to a great promoter, a fine friend. Morris Segal left a living legacy for sports fans. This was right after Morris Segal died and right before Paul Bosch took over officially.

He died in the early morning hours, Tuesday, December 27th, 1966, and it ended a gallant battle that had been going on since 1952 when he was stricken with his first heart attack. Good Lord. It's 50 years of sports promotion. And then if you look on the inside, I guess timing-wise, this is interesting here. Wrestling returns to TV. Tomorrow night, Channel 39. Tonight, a giant truck with the emblem of Channel 39,

Houston's newest and brightest TV station, will be in place putting portions of the action on tape. I'm glad they're telling people what to look for if they want to of vandalized the fucking vehicle. Tomorrow night, on Channel 39 at 10 p.m., that tape will be shown to Houston wrestling fans. And on every Saturday night, at this choice time in the foreseeable future,

this program will be a big part of the TV scene, as it has for almost 17 years. Channel 39 is a UHF station. Don't let that confuse you. If you bought a TV set within the past two and a half years, your set is then equipped to pick up UHF by law.

Yes, because that was changed in 1964 because the UHF TV stations were pitching a fit because most of the TV sets made in the 1950s did not, you had to get

a converter, which I had one. We had one here in my mom's old black and white console TV. You had to get a converter to hook it up to get a UHF channel. It's not between Channel 2 and Channel 13, because they were newer on the television front. It may need a slight adjustment in antenna.

If so, call a serviceman, and he can fix it. Get some aluminum foil and wrap it around your fucking uncle's fist and have him hold his arm in the air. You know you want to see this. Hire a serviceman to come over and fix this right now. if you have an older set, then it is possible to buy a converter that attaches to your present set

and will enable you to pick up 39 and any future UHF stations. The cost is in the $20 to $30 range. You're wrestling. And by the way, by the way, we talked about inflation earlier. This is 1967. Your converter now would probably cost you about $150 with the rate of inflation.

from 1967 to get something so you would be able to have channels 13 through 83 on your television, finally. Your wrestling will be telecast in color. Live wrestling will continue to be on Friday nights, but on television, it will be shown every Saturday. Tell your friends, wrestling is back on TV. What do you know about that? What do you know about Houston losing TV?

Well, this all happens through periods of time in the long-running territories where... That's where they lost to me in New York around this period of time, too. We've talked about it in New York. Yeah, I was 67 or 68 off top of my head that they... You know, when you've got a relationship with a station in the market and you've been on it for a while, and then they get a new program director or station manager or something changes, and then you have to go searching. That's, you know, used to be what led to the end of a fucking market,

a town for somebody's when they lost television if you couldn't get another station or if it was a significant downgrade. I truthfully haven't heard of Houston losing TV for any significant period of time in their history. Does it say how long there that they had been out? Was it a situation where maybe it was a seasonal thing, and they had sports or something. I don't know.

I mean, it doesn't say anything here, but, you know, it's not, we are going to be next week on a new network. It's, we're back on TV on the new network. So we'll see what we'll find out. That's interesting. I think that probably they just, something happened,

they might have got a new station manager or a new program director. Or sometimes it was the promotion. If you could get more from a secondary or a smaller station than you could be in a little fish in the big station's pond

in a market, you went there. For years, live Atlanta wrestling was on Channel 11 in Atlanta, which was a VHF station and everybody could get it.

But then they moved to Channel 17, WTCG, because the goddamn owner, this wacky guy named Ted Turner, really sees. like that wrestling and we were going to get preempted for network shit and blah blah blah so

those things can happen too well before we get out of here on the topic of houston i just have this in the pile here this and ernie ladd by the way was a baby face in those days in houston especially because he played for the houston oilers at one point in time in the nfl i have a special wrestling ticket pass one from houston the city auditorium friday september 10th 1954 8.30 p.m. This pass and $1. Plus federal tax is good for any

ringside. What does that say? Box, excuse me, ringside, box, or dress circle seat in allotted sections of the City Auditorium. Here is the card on this ticket, just a few matches.

Tag Team Dynamite, Ricky Star, and Shane see, H-E. That must be Larry Shane. Oh, Leapin' Larry Shane. Versus Adkisson and Vansky. Okay, that's got to be Jack Adkisson, doesn't it?

54. And Tiger Jack Vansky? I think so. A second sensational two out of three fall main event. Joe Killer Christie versus gentleman Ed Francis and the main event. I'm going to read this

verbatim folks not my words theirs Valentine is out to make the Jap Shushine boy quit wrestling it will be a sizzler Johnny Valentine versus Duke Keaumuka

oh good Lord poor Duke a shoe shine boy I know he was humble and lovable but really so what was this was what year have we established that this would be? Oh this was 1954. This was September 10th,

1954. Okay. Well, see, you didn't, I thought you were telling me something in conjunction with the 67 Houston program, and I wouldn't pay an attention as to what to No. To fucking think about that. Jack Adkisson hadn't become Fritz von Erick yet.

I mentioned before I read you the program, his first appearance in the Dallas Sportatorium, when he was still being billed as a Southern Methodist University graduate. but Johnny Valentine had only been into business about six, seven years at that point. He had already had been a main eventer forever.

And Ed Francis would later on run your favorite territory. He would run, of course, 50th State big time wrestling in Hawaii. My people, I say a little to all of our friends on the Hawaiian Islands right now. The Great Brian last, Hawaiian Brian loves you. I think you know that. I got all the spirit and the soul running through me. See, the secret is you talk like Jimmy Snooker. You don't have to make any sense.

Just talk like that. No, but that was guest to program. And that was that was that. It sure was. Guess what this program is, Brian? I don't know. Over. Oh.

Folks, we'll be back at a few days with the drive-thru and next week with the experience. SummerSlam is coming up. Who's going to win all these belts that have to change hands? We don't know, but we're going to find out and tell you. That way you don't even have to bother with the whole thing. Brian, any closing thoughts for the audience?

We will see you on the drive-thru for lots of action. We'll talk about dynamite and we'll try to get more questions. Send questions, send songs, corny drive-thru at gmail.com. And send me programs just for free. And otherwise, and in otherwise, and otherwise, until we see you again. Thank you. Fuck you and bye-bye, everybody. Get the experience