Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 547: Jim Reviews AEW All In 2024

Episode Date: August 31, 2024

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews AEW All In at Wembley! Plus Jim reviews Tony Khan's media scrum, as well as audio of Meltzer & Alvarez talking about AEW's overruns! Also, Jim talks about ...Smackdown, party lines, The Rock, Ricochet, and much more!  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:04 Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Cornet. The keys to the future held by the past and with tag deep art. The exciting episode of the Jim Cornett experience where today we're going to start up with Smackdown and be all done with All In. And many points in between joining me for all this frivolity and more. See, you can hear it again.
Starting point is 00:01:21 Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting Lion, the King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. co-host to you, the odds makers in Vegas say he's a winner every time. The great Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim, a pleasure to be here once again. This is a very unique episode because usually we're talking about the wild and wacky sports on CBS,
Starting point is 00:01:41 but in the rodeo time slot today, I have the all-in London pre-show on live in the background as we are recording. See, we're staying ahead of things. We are so good at breaking news that we're starting the show before the shit even gets cracked. Think about that. What is this match? There's a match happening, but Sammy Gavarra and Brian Cage both appear to be wearing Wolverine's colors in their outfits. Well, of course they are.
Starting point is 00:02:08 And I saw on Twitter, I believe, moments before we've gotten on the air here, that they've added, they announced at the start of the pre-shed. folks, I'm recording this because my God, you know, how can you sit through it live? Especially the pre-show too. We're getting our show started and then we're going to break and we're going to review the thing and we're going to come back and
Starting point is 00:02:32 finish the Bofo broadcast today. But they announced at the start of the pre-show, which by the way is two hours fucking long and they've got a five-hour pay-per-view window. That's why we're trying to get ahead of the game. Oh shit. Kevin Von Errik.
Starting point is 00:02:48 in fucking London? With his kids, he's coming out there, well, he's like 20 paces behind them, but he's coming out there, chasing Paul Ellering for the oldest manager award, 2024. Oh, come on now. And actually, I think, I believe, I believe Paul would still have him, wouldn't he? Paul just turned 71, I believe. Yeah, no, Kevin has to be in his 60s. I don't think he's 70 yet, no. I don't know, but nevertheless, as Mama Cornett used to say,
Starting point is 00:03:18 but I digress. The point is this long show is going on now. We're getting our program started because by the time you hear this, all this shit will be over with. But I just, where was I going with that? You've distracted me to the point. London, Wembley Stadium.
Starting point is 00:03:34 No, I wasn't even, you took me there. I was over here in the States. I didn't take you there. Tony took you there. Oh, I know what I was going to tell you. First of all, don't goddamn don't mock me today in case I might fump for a time or two in my pronunciathing the word, like a bab-a-wa-wa-wa.
Starting point is 00:03:55 Because last night, Stacey made these, the kebabs, the steak kebabs. Well, I shouldn't say cabbabs, because they're a whole different thing over in the UK. They say, you want to go to a kebab shop? I think you're getting the fucking big, long skewer with the chunks of steak and chicken and onion. and peppers and mushrooms. And I don't know what it looked like a goddamn Dalmatian vomit and a dirty diaper. I don't know what the fuck was going on. But Stacey made the shish kebabs where you spear and or skewer the edible goodies
Starting point is 00:04:35 and then you flame broil them, right? You know what I'm talking about. Oh, yeah. Delicious have done right, yeah. Are you trying to insinuate that we didn't do ours right? No, I'm saying. We just had a bunch of things. a fucking Dalmatian vomit of our own over here?
Starting point is 00:04:49 I'm saying independent of the cornets when done right, shish kebab could be delicious. Possibly nutritious. And nutritious and delicious and succulent. And while... You know what I see right here? I've got to say this before I forget. Oh, God damn it, he's going to make me forget this again.
Starting point is 00:05:05 What? Kevin Von Erick, his flip-flops are tucked into the back of his jeans. He must have wore his flip-flops there, but he can't go out there. He has to be barefoot. He's Kevin Van Erick, so he tucked the flip-flops. than I'm back in his jeans. That's all I had to say. I'm so sorry.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Well, at least now we know that Kevin has enough sense not to walk around downtown London barefoot for heaven's sake. Oh, streets have been there for a thousand years. Can you imagine how many dogs have shit on those? That's the first thing it pops to my mind. So I guess... This is the first thing that comes to your mind
Starting point is 00:05:40 but the streets of London? The people of London will probably not be asking me back anytime soon. But I enjoyed it. Well, it's wonderful architecture. The incredible old buildings and old roads and old structures that have been there for so long for dogs to shit on. So anyway, where were? I was back.
Starting point is 00:06:01 I was, oh, shish kebob. The shish kebabs. So the point is she made the steak and onions and green and red peppers and mushrooms and seasoned wonderfully. And so what I did, to complies, The main course, so to speak, was I wanted to contribute in my own way, so I went over to Paul's market and I got some twice-baked potatoes, and I heated them too far, and when I took the bite of twice-baked potato that I like to get on the fork about equal to the size of the piece
Starting point is 00:06:42 of my steak, so you got the steak and the potato and the cheesy goodness all wrapped up. there. It was hot as fuck! And I burned the top of my mouth and right now it feels like I have a giant postage stamp stuck to the roof of my mouth that I cannot peel off no matter what I do. I'm guessing it's a 29 cent variety. Well it's one of, no, it's one of the big ones from Lithuania. You ever know of the small countries had the big stamps? I never noticed. Well, you ought to see, that's because you're not into the finer things in life.
Starting point is 00:07:24 I often go into my stamp room and sit there with a stamp in a pair of tweezers and my magnifying glass and marvel at the unbroken lines of the cancellation stamp. You think right now is a good time or a bad time to be a stamp collector? Is it a good time because there aren't as many as there used to be so you could get more stuff?
Starting point is 00:07:43 Or is it a bad time because everything's so expensive now that it's harder to get in. Well, here's the thing. Fifteen years ago, I was trying to, again, go through and unpack and file some things in the vault here at the castle. And when I was a kid,
Starting point is 00:08:03 because my father had a stamp collection book when he was like 10, 12 years old or whatever. So we're starting in 1926, right? So everything was ancient. I thought, well, this, it's cool because it's my dad's when he was a kid. It's 100 years old, whatever. But my mom had signed me up for the first day covers, which were cool also. The series the post office had back in the early 70s where they issued special stamps
Starting point is 00:08:35 and commemorative envelopes and blah, blah, blah. And I thought, well, this shit's, I'm keeping my dad's stamp album, right? But I said, this shit takes up a lot of space. and I have looked at it in 40 years, I'll take it down to the coin and stamp store. And turns out unless you are somebody in fucking Zurich smoking a pipe with slippers on in a goddamn castle and you've got the rare stamps and shit like that,
Starting point is 00:09:08 people ain't buying fucking stamps anymore. It's like one of the comic book dealers told me about my big little book collection from the 30s, he said the average age of people collecting those is dead. Nobody, you know, they're wonderful, and it's a few, you know, but. But I think things like eBay have changed that a lot because wherever the loan collector is, you know, you can all of a sudden have a community of loan collectors because they're all buying and selling from the same vantage point.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Not saying eBay's a perfect platform or anything, but, you know, if you're a collector and you go there, there are people who don't know what they have and they think the average collector is dead and they're looking to unload something, but there are still collectors of something. Well, yes. I'm Brian Lastin, this is my statement. Yes, and thank you. And if you'd like to write to the station to disagree with our general manager, please call 188, fuck you.
Starting point is 00:10:04 But I've got all kinds of, it's going to take me the rest of however long I live right now to catalog, organize, and or market all the various things that I've accumulated. in my life, so by the time I get around to looking at them again, they may be worse something. Everything's in mint condition, you know. I mean, I know there's still collectors of those big little books. Well, yes, you know, and online is, but if you were just doing regular, they don't appreciate, nor are they as valuable as the, let's say, the Silver Age marvels now, because there's less chance of anyone
Starting point is 00:10:45 assembling a complete collection and or a complete run of even all of the Buck Rogers titles or all the Mickey Mouse titles or in any kind of high grade there's more interest well you've noticed that
Starting point is 00:11:01 Amazing Fantasy 15 is in 9.8 is hovering around Action 1 levels and it may exceed it because there's more chance of at least having an amazing fantasy 15, than there is ever having an action one,
Starting point is 00:11:21 because as rare as the 15s are, there's got to be 20 times more of them than there are the action ones. I defer to the experts in the audience to quantify the however many times. I saw a thing on ABC News the other day about this guy. I forget what his last name was, Bill something, and he has a place called Billville, his own ten. where it started where he was a bike collector, a motorcycle collector, and he would build his own motorcycles. And he was a collector. And like a lot of collectors, when you start collecting,
Starting point is 00:11:53 you've got to be a completist. You have to get everything. He ran out of space. He has a 50,000 square foot facility slash barn. You know, I don't want to say barn, but, no, no, but, you know, it's like, it's like a, not a shed. See, I don't know what the right part is. All purpose facility. All purpose facility. You know, it could be a variety of things. an airport hangar. I mean, it's gigantic. 50,000 square feet. He created his own town with literally like little storefronts and the stores are loaded with everything that would have been in them and all of his collection. And he's in his 80s now. And he, you know, he gives tours. I think it's in Pennsylvania. But just what a job he did with that. You should check that out. Well,
Starting point is 00:12:33 what I was told about Stacey's Cadillac LaSalle, the 1929 that she got from her dad, is that that is no longer I mean obviously yes there are high-end collectors and people that are into all these things but it's not the most popular most sought-after era or group of cars
Starting point is 00:12:58 because a lot of people that get money want the cars they grew up with or that they remember from their dad or whatever and to have ridden in one of these things you'd have to be almost 100 years old at this point. Yeah, you have to really be a collector. Like a Jay Leno. Like Jay Leno just buys all sorts of cars.
Starting point is 00:13:18 And this one, to be quite honest, it's amazing, but it's not Jay Leno condition ready quality. But that's the thing. As time goes on, you know, we end up, we're always buying the things we loved when we were kids 40 years later after they've appreciated a thousand times in value, you know, then you pay a thousand times more for it than you did originally.
Starting point is 00:13:48 Of course, I don't, because I kept all my shit. But your era of childhood changes, so the more modern shit, which is still more accessible to a larger number of people, gets more popular. Did I pay that with my burnt mouth? You said that very well.
Starting point is 00:14:08 But anyway, all righty then. And so I'm back in case of, we just announced this on the drive-through, but you can hear my wacky sound effects and everything. And we're back in action as Hachka's, well, Stacey had pointed it out to Hachka's Feather Bottom, because she said that when he walked in, she said, you know, when I Skype my mom out in the backyard and the birds are loud, can't hear me or whatever. And that's where he started looking at those screens and he fixed the noise
Starting point is 00:14:44 filtration system so that everything that is not a... There's still a ton of noise. We've got to work on here. No, it's perfect now. No, you can't hear it. I can hear it. I can't hear it. I can't hear it.
Starting point is 00:14:56 I'm on the other side. You're going to be on the other side, Alice. Hey. Bang, Zoom. My sound is supposed to be perfect now because we are not suppressing a... lick of the noise. We're giving to people all a fucking noise, all a goddamn noise they can handle. Nothing's
Starting point is 00:15:14 being filtered. Right? Well, I mean, right now, I mean, went in post-production, we're going to have to really clean this the fuck up. Oh, come on! But of course, there's action underway, it all in. A big 10-man tag match underway right now. Rick Knox is the referee, because there's just people lying
Starting point is 00:15:34 all around for no reason, waiting for their spot. Oh, boy, what a show. Maybe the Joker came in Or was it the Riddler? No, it was the penguin that had the gas from his umbrella.
Starting point is 00:15:47 That's right. That's right. They were all gassed. Speaking of being gassed from a penguin, I forget what the native Australian animals are. The kangaroos, you could get gassed from a kangaroo. Who gassed Raygun at the Olympics?
Starting point is 00:16:08 Did you finally get to see it? Now, yes. Oh, man. Now, here's the thing I wanted to say. Because the clip that I saw, where I saw it first, it started with her performance, if you can call it that.
Starting point is 00:16:28 But the thing is, since it was breakdancing, as she started doing this shit, I wasn't really sure whether it was any good or not. Because I had no frame. I haven't watched somebody breakdance in, what, 20 fucking years since they did it on TV all the time incessantly. Except for Booker T. Did you watch any of the competition that was not Reagan?
Starting point is 00:16:52 Well, no, that's why I'm about to say, hold on here. Because she's doing this shit. And I'm thinking, well, it, you know what I mean? I couldn't do this, but I don't know that this shit needs to be in the Olympics. It was kind of like, what, and the announcers that I was hearing were,
Starting point is 00:17:14 they were just kind of silent. They weren't really saying anything. So I didn't have anything to go by. Like if these learned, experienced breakdancing experts have been farting at it, then I would have known immediately. But after a little while of it, is this what it's going to be?
Starting point is 00:17:34 Is this what? And then the opponent, because apparently they were it's like that South Park episode you've been served they were having dance-offs that's how it's competition in the Olympics I guess
Starting point is 00:17:49 I don't fucking know but anyway another break dancing individual a break dancing lady breaker no no
Starting point is 00:18:02 Braun was nowhere around came in and this one well you yeah you can that was some pretty good fucking shitwalk geez look at that one arm flip holy mackerel and you can see some rhythm and some consistency and some athleticism and some burnt roof roof mouth and well i'm sorry i'm trying to i'm hey for the people i'm i'm a burn victim over here i'm still doing a goddamn show you can see that okay okay, this person apparently knows what the fuck they're doing, and it cast old Raygun, who went first in this clip in a more negative light to me as a layperson. And then Raygun gets the chance to respond. And I swear to God, she was doing the same thing I do when I have to wipe stains off fucking kitchen floor,
Starting point is 00:19:02 but because of my back, I just lay down and fucking rub the goddamn rag from side of the, to side. I'd say, well, fuck, she looks like a caterpillar trying to crawl out of a cocoon. Did you see the helicopter, the move where she starts by just spinning her arms around and then she goes to the ground that starts like just contorting on the ground? Well, there was a lot of contorting, and it looked at one point like she was trying to crack her neck. She grabbed a hold of her chin and her head and twisted it to the side.
Starting point is 00:19:34 So it had a little bit of a chiropractic element in there also. it looked like somebody in pain being adjusted. Do you know anything about the backstory? Because I noticed on some of the comments when we put the video up of the last time we talked about her. Not like, there were a few. I got from Australia and it's a disgrace what she did. Like, you know, she cheated her way in. Like, apparently there was some kind of...
Starting point is 00:19:56 Yeah, I haven't been able to follow this because I've had other things occupying much of my attention over the last 72 hours. But I'm seriously apologizing that I've been able to follow... Raygun's path to the Olympics, but what happened here? Did something happen at the Olympic trials? I don't know. I don't know what happened. Well, you said she, somebody said she cheated. How did she cheat?
Starting point is 00:20:18 Well, hold on. We got Paige and... She's unqualified. Obviously unqualified. I will see what I could find out. Obviously. But, I mean, she... And why was she wearing the fucking old-fashioned gas station attendance outfit?
Starting point is 00:20:34 Also, it looked like... She looked like Michael Myers in the fucking... station wagon. I thought the break dancers were supposed to dress in a hip-hop and fly manner, as they say, the kids. I have an article here from, what is this? Well, do you tell me, it's your story, as Mama Cornett used to say. It's my take.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Well, it's an opinion piece, but this is from Singapore. Covering Australia. We want to know the people's opinion of Australia and Singapore. This has got to be heard. Australia has a soft spot for underdogs, but when it comes to Rachel Gunn, aka Raygun, the nation's unorthodox contender
Starting point is 00:21:18 in this year's Olympic breakdancing debut, controversy has muddied that affection. Clips of Raygun's unconventional moves at the Pound's games went viral, as did online hate, and conspiracy theories over whether she was Australia's best female breakdancing. answer. Lest we forget, Australia's mail entry, Jay Attack, or Jeff Dunn...
Starting point is 00:21:45 Jay Attack? Or Jeff Dunn was on form, but didn't rack up as many memes, the tabloid measure of fame, as Raygun. The biggest Raygun controversy involved a now-removed online petition that claimed her entry into the Olympics was a setup. Before it was written, the petition received more signatures than others on the same platform calling for visas for refugees or harsher sentencing for sex offenders. But since the Australian Olympic Committee
Starting point is 00:22:20 shot off a stern note last week telling haters the zip it, most of the bullying comments have ceased. But the nattering about Raygun at street corners and dinner parties has not. At the moment. So what, okay, how did, again, the questions that I asked earlier we spoke about this subject are still valid. Multiple people had to see what she was doing and say, oh, this is a
Starting point is 00:22:50 good idea to go public with this. How did that happen? I don't know. This says something about the Olympics, and apparently they're not bringing breakdancing back. This is the alone. You think? It's the lone year they're breakdancing. It's the long year they have breakdancing. performance has been blocked on all the faces. Well, that's a... Oh, we have all in news. Jamie Hader
Starting point is 00:23:11 approaching the ring right now for this pre-show match. What? In the ring, I saw Harley Cameron, I saw Soraya, and apparently Soraya's entire family. And now here comes Jamie Hater, her hair, more red now
Starting point is 00:23:27 than it was before. Kind of had to change your look because Blair Davenport kind of has the old Jamie Hater look. Right now someone's running up the ramp at her and someone is down harley cameron kicked in the gut thrown to nothing she just took a bump off nothing and now security guards mail security guards thrown around by jamie hater oh that wasn't harley cameron who was the first blonde girl that got thrown around i don't know what's happening and now jamy hater and serea are in the ring the fans in england appear to be going crazy we're not playing the audio because we're not
Starting point is 00:24:00 massacists. This mystery blonde woman is taking another bump. I don't know who this is. But obviously, the action's hot and heavy, the big return of Jamie Hader on the pre-show here at all in. But that's what I've said. She's been gone
Starting point is 00:24:16 for what a year? Apparently injured seriously if she's been out that long, and they put her on the pre-show on the pay-per-view that I mean, only the most devoted part of the audience is going to see the pre-show, correct, especially since it's
Starting point is 00:24:35 two hours long? Well, again, the stadium appears a lot of people are already there, but that's not the pay-per-view audience, that's the house audience, and they're reacting, obviously big time for the hometown girl, Jamie Hader. Oogie dokey, well, we can't wait, folks. We'll be talking about that later on. I've got a couple of communications, Brian. Have we finished talking about all that stuff you wanted to talk about that I wanted to talk about. Well, you brought it all up on yourself. Which stuff are you talking about?
Starting point is 00:25:04 All the stuff that we just talked about. Reagan? I can't, well, I can't go through every goddamn thing. If you weren't paying attention, you shouldn't have brought everything up. What is happening right now? But okay. I apologize. I take it back.
Starting point is 00:25:17 Well, take it back. I take it back. I take it back. Take it back. Take it back. So, Steve Anderson, I don't know if this is the, indeed, the, Steve Anderson that I have known for 35 years or whatever it's been, the original Steve Anderson. No, apparently it's not.
Starting point is 00:25:39 Because he says, I was born in 1984, so that would disqualify the Steve Anderson that I'm thinking about. So this is apparently a guy who's stolen Steve Anderson's identity and is impersonating him. Hopefully the law will track him down. But in the meantime, he sent us an email. Jim and Brian, do you want to respond to this email, by the way? I don't want to offend Steve Anderson here. Hello, Steve Anderson. I don't know what else you want me to say.
Starting point is 00:26:08 Well, I just want to make sure that he knows that you responded to his email so that he doesn't, you know, have any issues. No, there are no issues between me and Steve as of a present. Yes. That could change at any point, but... He seems like a nice guy. I don't know. Well, they all do until they reveal their true colors. I'm listening to
Starting point is 00:26:29 He says this is what Steve's saying See I'm listening to the drive-thru right now and I was doubled over laughing When you guys started talking about telephone Party lines Jim you were saying how surprised you were That your Aunt Lola still had one in the
Starting point is 00:26:43 1970s But I have you beat And now I get Should we even establish again Just real quickly what a party line is In the old days if you had a party line Your phone bill was like Half as much or whatever
Starting point is 00:26:56 which in those days would be like $4 a month, but you literally shared a phone with somebody, maybe somebody that you didn't even know where they fucking live. And the only reason that you knew who they were is because you would introduce yourself to the other person on your party line so that they might take pity on you if they're using the phone first
Starting point is 00:27:17 and you pick up the phone in your house, you can hear their conversation and you can't use the phone until they finish the call. So you can imagine that led to some consternation. So Steve says my family had a couple of camps in the Adirondack mountains. Help me, Brian, that's up there in your part of the world. Adir adiridara. Adiridac.
Starting point is 00:27:44 It's starting to sound closer to what I thought you may have been saying, the Adirondacks. There are those mountains. Very nice. Very nice area. Camps in those mountains. their hills. And one of them had a perfect, dude, let me get through this. I'm not doing anything. It's you. It's you and your party line. The party line in your head? Well, one of them had a party line for the telephone. The kicker, though, is that this was literally in the mid-1990s. I was born in
Starting point is 00:28:13 1984, so I'm guessing this was around 94 to 96. We used to go up there for the summers and live there till school started back again in Utica, New York, home of Scott Cornish. so there were he says there were very few things I enjoyed as much as picking up the phone and realizing that someone else was already using it I'd pick up the phone and just start making fart noises into it
Starting point is 00:28:39 and yelling and screaming swear words you have to realize I was like 10 years old I had no idea who the other line on the phone belonged to and there was nothing you could tell me to stop me from doing it one day however that did in fact come back to me in the ass. I got home from baseball practice, and there was an older woman at the front door of my camp yelling and screaming at my mother wanting to know why she couldn't have a phone
Starting point is 00:29:05 conversation without some idiot kid picking up the phone and screaming obscenities over the line. Oh my God. I caught a little heat for that one, but my dad thought it was absolutely hilarious. Anyway, that whole segment got me. Thanks, guys. Steve, I thank you, Steve, for a little of levity there, but you know, maybe that was the problem with Mrs. Spencer. She had to have a party line
Starting point is 00:29:35 in her younger days and she was already used to abusive telephone behavior. See, people don't know what you're talking about. I think this is still on the Arcadian Vanguard YouTube channel for when we played it on the 605. Years ago, Dennis Carl Uzo, our friend, the wrestling promoter in South Jersey, was trying to call Jim when he lived
Starting point is 00:29:52 in Morristown, Tennessee. Whatever number he was trying to call was like one or two digits off. One number off. And he instead talked to a woman named Mrs. Spencer who on, you know, the initial call just, hi, can I speak to Jim? She flipped out on him, started screaming at him. And he started telling people about it, which caused, I don't even know we should say who was responsible for the phone calls out there because he, he's kind of a, he's out in the public right now. And, you know, I think he's distanced himself for a lot of this wrestling stuff. But he's very, he's very, very, you know, he's very, he's out in the public. He's kind of a, he's
Starting point is 00:30:25 very notable person in his area, but he made the phone calls. In his field. In his field. But Dennis is on there. The Iron Sheek is on there. And also just many random fans in the Philly, New Jersey area of the independent wrestling at that time. You know, just call to see if they could speak to me just because of the reactions. Well, hold on.
Starting point is 00:30:52 You know what? Real quick. Let me, since you're talking about it, let me see if I could put it. And while you're doing that, I will tell the kicker verbally, and then you can give them a sound example. But the, this had been going on, I don't know, for a number of months. And finally, I say, you know what, I can't resist. And I called the number and said, and that voice answered the phone. And I said, hi, this is Jim.
Starting point is 00:31:18 Has there been any calls for me? But I wasn't recording mine. I don't know if I have any of the full calls ready. have some of the sound bites, hold on. What just... Go to hell, you son of a bitch, you. Hey, stupid. Go to hell, you motherfucking son of a bitch.
Starting point is 00:31:39 Homosexual gym. You're a lie and a bastard. You motherfucker. You motherfucker. My favorite line. And now, bear in mind, ladies gentlemen, at one point, Dennis had put a CD together called Old Lady and there was even a fucking rap
Starting point is 00:32:07 track with the old lady comments dropped in and there was like the top ten like Iron Sheak calls old lady and whatever the top ten best calls or whatever but my favorite line from one of the unedited calls is when she told whoever it was I don't even know I hope you die within the next 30 seconds
Starting point is 00:32:29 I thought God, she was so specific Instead of drop dead I think I hope you die You get I hope you die in the next 30 seconds I may have that hold on Let me see what this one is Hello
Starting point is 00:32:42 Hello Who are you Hey dummy Can't you talk Let your ass talk If your mouth can't You know accents Where's she from
Starting point is 00:33:00 Oh shit This was East No this was East Tennessee It was somewhere Because it was the same area code and the same prefix. So it was somewhere around where I was living,
Starting point is 00:33:12 because there weren't any cell phones at that point in time. But the thing is, it's like some people out there saying, oh, these horrible people tormented this woman. She was instantly, upon the first innocent mistake, the most vile,
Starting point is 00:33:30 vulgar, hot-tempered, you know, rude, offensive woman that you can possibly imagine it's like what the fuck it happened to her now the Iron Sheik wasn't exactly in a great way so I don't know if he knew what was happening probably not
Starting point is 00:33:49 but someone put a phone in his hand and said cut a promo that you're coming somewhere and she answered the phone so here's that hi what? What? Stop dead damn you go to hell, go to hell! Go to hell!
Starting point is 00:34:08 Hello, could you please either put Jim on the phone or change your number? You, son of a bitch, you, I'm not changing my number. And there is no fucking Jim here. You've stolen you? You better leave him on you, motherfucker, motherfucker. Oh, my Lord. Boy, you're a mental case. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 00:34:39 You stole Jim's number. Oh, my guess he's just like, hello. Oh. Hold on. I may have another one here. Oh, keep going. I'm living it. Hi. Good day to you. Is Jim available?
Starting point is 00:34:59 Go to hell, you motherfucking son of a bitch. If you call me again, I'm going to come over there and shoot you. Do you understand me, you motherfucker? But see, it's his birthday. We need to get in touch of them to wish him a happy birthday. Good day to you. Is Jim available? I say, jolly old cheerio. Old twat.
Starting point is 00:35:21 Is there Jim available to come to the, to the... the phone. I guess the point is this was not a party line. Can you imagine this one? No, this, but also, this was this woman's house or trailer or wherever she may have been. Can you imagine this woman is, is a woman who mixes out in public and walks up and down the aisleways at Kroger or whatever, or piggly wiggly down there. And you would never think that there is a woman that can suddenly erupt into speaking in tongues.
Starting point is 00:35:54 were the only words that you can understand are mother and fucker. And she had to be, what's fucking 70? See, that's the thing, I don't know. You would know that accent and that voice better. She could be younger, I guess. She was an elderly woman. She was an older lady.
Starting point is 00:36:14 And I bet you erosion had set in early, too. I've heard voices like that before. You know what, Dennis Carleau? I would say. What's that? You were nothing but a bottom of the card jobber. By the way, that's what he said, the Thunderbolt Patterson. Was it Phil Donny?
Starting point is 00:36:35 Morton Downey. Yes, one of those people. Oh, God. It's the bottom of the card job. I love Dennis's accent. Yo. But any, can we talk about somebody for a second that you always love to talk about, but now somebody else is talking about them?
Starting point is 00:36:54 So you might enjoy vicariously to someone else talking about somebody else so that you don't have to talk about someone. This is a mystery. Let's talk about it. I don't know what this is. Well, what do you guys want to talk about? This is from, he gives his first initial as J. Possibly he doesn't want to narrow himself dead. He's about to piss off the United States government. So maybe we ought to keep it broad. What do you think? he was he says i was writing to talk about the idiotic deal between the rock and u.s. Army recruiting so have i tantalized your taste buds yet we talked about this there was a story that came out from like military dot com about the US army giving the rock or giving the rocks owned ufl i think it was like
Starting point is 00:37:45 $11 million or something for sponsorship and branded tweets or sponsored tweets and they didn't get what they thought they were going to get and also they lost recruits. Yeah, they actually ended up with a negative amount of recruits and they valued like five or six of Rock's tweets at $1 million each and things like that. Look it up, folks. It's a story out there in the public realm. But anyway, so O.J. here says, I've been in the Army for 22 years and was also at one time an Army
Starting point is 00:38:24 recruiter. Up front, the men and women who are in charge of Army recruiting command are a bunch of fucking incompetent morons who have lost touch with what makes people want to join the Army in the first place. Second, after 20 years of war, what high school or college-age kid is going to be interested in this lifestyle. The initial entry pay is garbage. The living conditions for non-married soldiers are equally terrible. And the food that our non-married soldiers are made to eat
Starting point is 00:38:58 is also terrible. Apparently married soldiers get meal and housing allowances. So you could actually live a better lifestyle if you get married before you get in the Army. But anyway, he goes on to say, not to mention all the subject matter that highlights the sexual assault, sexual harassment epidemic
Starting point is 00:39:18 and the suicide epidemic that is plaguing the ranks of the military. So instead of cleaning up our public image, assuring parents that their kids will be taken care of by professional leaders and fixing the living conditions, morale, and other issues of the soldiers who are serving today,
Starting point is 00:39:37 recruiting command decides to toss $11 million and a guy who is worth millions of dollars already a fucking slap in the face to all who serve and wear the uniform right now. The fact that the Rock took this money only cheapens his image. I'd no longer like or respect the Rock as an entertainer and as a human, but I truly hope he doesn't give shit back to the Army and that whoever brokered that deal between the Army and him gets fucking fired the day before yesterday.
Starting point is 00:40:08 So that's from the people out there in the trenches, as they say. You know, the other thing, too, is in terms of reaching recruits, the rock is a major worldwide star. The question is, in terms of recruits, the age of recruits, is he the right person to reach, you know, a 16, 17, 8-year-old looking to make a decision? Well, but also, not even age, but personality. I'm thinking, at this point, is, does anybody think that they're going to that would idolize the rock or want to be like the rock?
Starting point is 00:40:50 Does they think they're going to get to be a movie star and a fucking billionaire by joining the army? Is it the same fucking, shouldn't there be fans of the army instead of fans of wrestlers, fans of the great general, and commanders and whatever, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:41:10 But I would think that kids, I want to be the rock. Well, he didn't get to be a goddamn billionaire movie star by joining the army. Right, and his story isn't, you know. But the chances are also against you or anybody out there named you ever being a goddamn billionaire movie star to begin with. But at least if the story was, I'm a billionaire movie star and my road here began with the U.S. Army, that's at least a selling point, not, hey, they gave me a bunch of money
Starting point is 00:41:38 to try to convince you to do this. Yes, yes. You fuck, son of my bitch, you. I hope you die in the next 30 minutes, you motherfucking bastard you. Wake up, you stupid jackass. I'm sorry, I hope you die in the next 30 minutes. I thought it was 30 seconds.
Starting point is 00:41:58 The next 30 minutes. Which is, again, is even more oddly specific, isn't it? 30 seconds, you get some instant gratification out of it. Yeah, I hope you'd die in the next 30 minutes. It just died. Like, you would think you'd go an hour increments on shit like that. By minute 29, you're off the call.
Starting point is 00:42:17 You're like, I hope it happened. You know, we're getting close to the deadline. And then the next call comes in. If it's 32 minutes later, son of a bitch, he's still around. Oh, and one more thing from our, uh, our, well, you, you don't want me to call him one of our minions. Actually, he's the main minion, isn't he? You'm a main minion, man. We have no minions here at Arcadia
Starting point is 00:42:39 Vanguard. That's not how we consider the fine people that work with us here. Jay Shark Nato then. Wonderful guy. You don't like minion. You don't like Stoge when I say, well, our stooge, Jay Sharknato. Because he's not a stooge. That's not what he is and that's
Starting point is 00:42:55 not who he is. Well, then our lowly paid menial grunt laborer? argue that he's better paid than most people in wrestling media, actually, especially with some websites. Well, but now, see, you've got in the nicest guy in prison territory to begin with. Well, that's true. But nevertheless, so it's fucking flunky J. Shark Nato. No.
Starting point is 00:43:18 You know, whenever we, huh? No. No? No. I'm sorry. All right, I apologize. Our monkey, J. Sharknato. Again, this is just not getting off to a good start, is it? Well, it's, he's the guy that hangs around and carries our bags in. from the back door. Right? No. Whenever, whenever I visit him, he always picks my bag up
Starting point is 00:43:41 and carries it right in for me. I don't want to see you around here anymore. I'm going to start using Lance Russell to keep you in line. When you get that stupid pool out of here? Yeah. Hey, Hector, Hector, Hector, tell him in Mexican
Starting point is 00:43:59 to get out of here. Oh, do I have that? Oh. Tell him in Mexican just to get out of here. My favorite, from Joe Laudeau throwing Jerry Lawler. Look out! Look out! Well, that's because Lance was sitting at the table that Lawler was trying to land on.
Starting point is 00:44:20 And he still got it. He was a foot short of landing on the top of it, but it would have hurt Lance worse because he hit the front of it. Like, it hurt Lawler worse when he bounced off of it. Yeah. Do you have... I'll send you the clip if you don't have it so you can add it to your soundboard. of when, I think it was after they had turned the tables on the heels of the angel and
Starting point is 00:44:43 Brut Bernard managed by Homer Odell and Plowboy Frazier and the rest of the baby faces had turned the bucket of yellow paint over Homer Odell's head. As that episode was clearing the studio, Lance's pitch to break was, we'll be right back with a big midget match. You know what? I've seen the Brut Bernard clip, but I didn't remember that piece of audio, so I definitely don't have it. Yes, if you go all the way to the break, see, I have a copy of the original tape that was made in 1980 before anybody could monkey with it.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Well, actually, it was from 1976, but my duplicate from the original was made in 1980. You see, you like the part where she says, I hope you die in the next 30 minutes past. I like, you fuck, son of a bitch, you. That's such a unique way to put this. that together? Well, I agree. She did have a way, she, you know, she weaved, like many of these women of her age at the county fair out in the quilting or, you know, the basket weaving, she weaves profanity. Like many people weave quilts. Do you weave quilts or do you sew quilts or do you, what do you weave? Do you weave textiles? Is this your burnt mouth again?
Starting point is 00:46:01 Have you heard, have you heard about the bowl weevil? Have you heard about the bowl weevil? problem. I have not. Anyway, we were going to, we were talking about Jay Shark Nato. And he sent an email. He did what we asked of somebody to do. We didn't see, he's, he's so quick. Boy, he loves to grovel.
Starting point is 00:46:22 He's so quick to do things. We didn't even have to mention his name. He jumped right on this. As soon as we asked, who was the lay, has anybody in the modern era on national television used the finish of the strap match that we were talking about on the drive-through, where they're tied three corners each,
Starting point is 00:46:42 and, you know, then the baby face gets the flip over the top, Hail Mary, boom, and he provided us with this information. Were you copied on this? I was not. I was not. Maybe he is a stooge and a lackey and a stooly and everything else you said before. Well, it depends on... What is happening here? It depends on what kind of stool specimen that he puts in to who, as to whether or not he's a stooly, huh?
Starting point is 00:47:12 If he just bypasses you and goes to the brains of this outfit... It gives you the shit directly. Yeah. Just like any good stool specimen should. So... You fuck, son of my bitch, I hope you die in the next 30 minutes, you motherfucking bastard you. Oh, so, you know, she would... I think she was probably...
Starting point is 00:47:34 She's got to be in her 60s at least, so she would be closing in on 100 by now. I hope she's still alive. I hope that if she was laying in a hospital bed and everybody, the family was crowded around her, she's like weighs 24 pounds and she's 102 years old, and she's got every machine in the world monitoring her. And they were wishing, we just wish that great-grannie would wake up one more time. and if she would just wake up and go, I hope y'all die in the next 30 minutes, you motherfuckers!
Starting point is 00:48:08 And flatline, that would be the greatest. You know, it's rare when you get the one that will, you know, the person that'll go to speaking in tongues. That's what, wow, this has gotten real. Well, that's why I say again, she was from East Tennessee. She was probably, we were interrupting her from her handling of snakes. Anyway, Jay Shark Nato about the finish of the strap match.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Yes, the WW, do you call 2010 the modern era? That's an interesting question. What do you consider the modern era? It was only 14 years ago. That's a mere trifle, a mere pittance. I don't know. I would almost consider the modern era kind of the period where AEW started up and Vince started winding down.
Starting point is 00:48:58 That seems to be everything that set us up. That seems to be kind of the last era. Well, it was done in 2010, extreme rules between Shad Gaspard and JTG. Really? Wow. That was the report that Jay Sharknato sent in. So, you know, if they repeat to finish every 15, no. Still, I don't know that it fits here what they're doing because that was always a blow-off finish where the baby face could go over
Starting point is 00:49:33 and you can always get heat after blah, blah, blah, but I don't know. I mean, am I wrong to think that I thought we reviewed some kind of match, whether, I guess it could have been a chain match, but it was that rule, because I remember, didn't they fuck up the finish? Like, they didn't do it the right way
Starting point is 00:49:48 going around the four corners? No, that was the one between Tracy and White Boy. I thought there was a modern one. Okay, you're probably right. Well, that was the chain match with Tracy Smothers and a dirty white boy instead of a strap match, the reason
Starting point is 00:50:02 they got it in the end but they started it. The Bluegrass Brawl 1993 was held in the Pikeville, the old Pikeville College gym, which was supposed to seat 1,800 people and had been there for a while and the climate control, if there was any existing,
Starting point is 00:50:28 was lacking to say the least, and what happened was when we got all those TV lights in there and then we had 2,000 people and you can remember from the the videotape that you see people sitting the heads in front of the windows in the back of the gym up behind the back row the people were sitting on the fucking PA speakers
Starting point is 00:50:52 in the ring you couldn't hear the music you couldn't hear the ring announcements because the people were sitting in the arena because the people were sitting in front of and on top of the speakers. It was 125 degrees in there. And those guys having that chain match and Tracy bleeding like a stuck fucking hog, and they'd gone 20 minutes. When they started the, I think they got the first buckle,
Starting point is 00:51:20 where Tony had wrapped the chain around Tracy's throat and put it over like Santa Claus holding his sack right over his shoulder, and Tony tags the first buckle, and then Tracy, as he's being drugged by the neck, reaches out, and his hand hits the buckle. But when Tony hit the second one, and we didn't edit this, it's on there. When Tony hit the second one, he turned,
Starting point is 00:51:46 and Tracy was about to pass out. The chain was around his neck, and he could not reach the turd buckle, and he couldn't tell Tony that he'd miss the turnbuckle because he was about to pass out because Tony was fucking choking him. so Brian Hildebrand had to fucking give him the Iggy and Tony turned around and you know
Starting point is 00:52:06 nailed him or they did whatever to break the count and then they started it over again with Tony loosening the chain up from around Tracy's neck where he'd turn blue but nobody knew because they hadn't established it yet right the time where really after the second buckle and into the third buckle
Starting point is 00:52:28 is where the people really start start popping and realizing what's gone on. Yeah. And that's, you know, and it's hard to do, you know, the strap match, and that finish was generally a blow off for the baby face because otherwise, and it's usually done because that's kind of the one that keeps the suspense till the end. By the nature of the rules that you've got to touch all four corners in succession, while theoretically dragging your opponent around
Starting point is 00:53:01 not able to do anything about it, it's hard to keep suspense. You know, it just builds the drama if both guys, unbeknownst to the heel, both guys have touched the buckle three times in a row, and then it's an all or nothing. That builds more suspense than if a guy has touched three in a row and the guy's trying to pull him away from the fourth,
Starting point is 00:53:28 but he's trying to reach for it. That's still suspenseful. But then they know for somebody to win, you've got to start all over again. Does that make sense? I believe so, yes. Well, then what did you ask me about it for? Jason Sharknato asked you about it.
Starting point is 00:53:45 He didn't ask me anything. He's the one that told me. That's why I was giving you the answer. Brian, I'm really starting to get disappointed in you. You're not paying proper attention. I'm watching Law & this is a shit show so far. It's the ladder match. I think
Starting point is 00:54:04 there are teams. It must be teams. Because it's Christian and Nick Wayne and Pack is here in the House of Black. There's just tables and ladders everywhere. This is the start of the show. Mama Wayne's there. Rick Knox is there. Action packed.
Starting point is 00:54:20 Oh, we were you to. Oh, well now I'm interested. Oh, boy. ladders and table we're 15 minutes into must be for the trios title well no yeah there's three belts up there trios championship and ladder match
Starting point is 00:54:36 between how many different teams uh well there's a house of black person here and Christians here and Wheeler's here representing the BCC I would assume so there's at least three other teams or at least three teams maybe four I don't know there's just people missing
Starting point is 00:54:53 there's only two wrestlers I see right now everyone else is just laying down somewhere. Well, yeah, they often disappear. Yeah. It's good they're saving something for the rest of the shift. They got a five-hour show. I'm glad they waited 15 minutes before they pulled out the tables and the ladders. Hey, kids, shake it loose together on Saturday, October the 5th at noon eastern time
Starting point is 00:55:15 when the big holiday season sale starts at Cornets Collectibles at Jim Cornett.com. And I've mentioned this before, and I've mentioned this before. will mention it again, and then I won't mention it anymore until next week that the final variant, the Jim Quay, maybe it should be a deviant, but the final Jim Cornett action figure variant will go on sale at that time along with an old favorite of the folks, a piece of merchandise that we have had off sale for the past few years, and so much more that you've come to know and love on Saturday, October 5th, and news. Eastern. More details will be coming up over the month of September as to what exactly,
Starting point is 00:56:00 and you're going to be able to read about it. Read about it everywhere on Jimcornet.com before then, so we'll keep you posted. But speaking of posting them, should we mail everybody an email? I don't know whether they would answer us back or not. But how can we tell the people that our schedule is going to be screwy over the next couple of weeks maybe. I like the normal schedule we have. Well, yes, our schedule is always screwy. Well, that means we're going to straighten it up, right? That's right.
Starting point is 00:56:34 Yeah. Well, was Buddy Murphy on the smallest ladder I've ever seen? What is happening? That's the one they used to use for Lord Littlebrook. Since they're in Wembley, it's the Lord Littlebrook Memorial Ladder match. But yeah, on this topic, all in is airing right now as we are recording, we have to obviously do a review of this. WWE is the bash in Berlin.
Starting point is 00:56:54 All Out is about to happen. There's a lot of big events happening, a lot of things happening. TV rights deals coming up. And also omnibus is coming up. And also, maybe we'll each get to take a nap or something at some point soon. Oh, no, no, no. There is no sleep for those in the highly successful podcasting industry. but and also we have realized that
Starting point is 00:57:19 Stacy's birthday is coming up this week by the way happy birthday I should have done that earlier when we were talking about the skewers but well no one of the things that Stacy's birthday is this week August 29th for those interested and that would have normally been a recording day of ours but we have realized that over the next two week period independently of each other all of us involved in the
Starting point is 00:57:42 experience Arcadian Vanguard last Cornet Empire, even the serfs like Sharknado He's not a surf Well his first name was Bennett Until they changed it Anyway we've all got personal things going on that have
Starting point is 00:58:02 augmented to change our recording schedule over the next couple weeks So we've got in anticipation of this Possibly even more programming we got more omniby that would be the plural of omnibus wouldn't it we've got more omniby I believe so yes we also are going to be doing if it calls for it if somebody does something great or stupid breaking news updates on the YouTube
Starting point is 00:58:28 channel and if our podcast normal podcast schedule is either as we said not normal different or lopsided or one show shorter and the other shows longer that's why all this is happening but you may end up getting more out of it in the overall scheme of things well I'll tell you where we are I understand before we start talking about
Starting point is 00:58:55 some of the wrestling programming from the WWE you and I have been discussing over I don't know how many weeks it's been now when we do the the ratings on AW on Wednesday nights and they were at one point
Starting point is 00:59:15 trying to artificially inflate their number by having an overrun where they would theoretically get a bigger quarter hour because that usually, that's why they started having overruns in the goddamn wrestling war because the theory was not only would that be your main event which would normally be your highest rated segment,
Starting point is 00:59:43 but then you would get the people tuning in for the show that came afterwards and you'd get a bump if you know, if they, you know, you were five or six minutes over. But now they've been killing the ratings for the following programming on Wednesday night, apparently, because the fucking overrun is doing less than...
Starting point is 01:00:05 So the people that are watching aren't even staying. They're loud shit. We got something important to watch at 10 o'clock. So in that theory, we said, what the fuck? This is obviously an aberration, because normally that's why it is a ratings ploy and thing that happened, was that it would increase, not decrease, right? That basically was our discussion. Correct.
Starting point is 01:00:34 The idea of the overrun is you can use it to your advantage. Yes. Also, if it doesn't happen every week, and you don't expect it and you have the right hot thing happening, it should create some buzz. Typically, there haven't been, well, WWMEA, but just meaningless overruns endlessly every week for no reason other than you can't get everything into your show.
Starting point is 01:00:58 And also, when there was an overrun on Raw years ago, on a regular basis, it was scheduled into the... It was scheduled, so your DVR would get it. and it said raw was 9 to 11.05 or whatever. You know, you might get 11.08, whatever the case. But they only did that in AEW. Remember, I said they did it this week. It's the first time I'd know.
Starting point is 01:01:23 And then they ran over the overrun. But anyway, so the overruns have been a hot topic. Well, guess who? They sent it to it. Well, they didn't. But many people sent us to us on Twitter, Uncle Dave Meltzer, and his nephew, Brian Guber Alvarez, have been arguing again. And this time, again, poor old Uncle Dave, I'm worried if he's studying,
Starting point is 01:01:57 then I'm worried that he needs to get on some of that brain food that old Miam Bialik is selling on the commercials. Miam. Meem, myam? Myam. But anyway, point is, Uncle Dave is
Starting point is 01:02:16 the only one that is not logically reacting to this, and it's to the point now where I guess Brian is having to argue with his mentor again. It's sad when these things happen, but many people asked us to listen to this.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Well, again, too, some of the recent clips we've reviewed where things go viral with these two, Brian Alvarez seems to kind of be understanding what's happening and accepting it and trying to discuss it to me at least a little more than Dave is Dave's insistent that you know he studies it
Starting point is 01:02:50 you know we all study we talk about these ratings every single week so it's not like anyone's surprised by anything but let's hear this audio well you don't you don't need a forensic accounting to determine when numbers in large numbers are going either up or down do you no you don't so we'll play this audio. I haven't heard all of this yet, so we'll hear this, but
Starting point is 01:03:09 I just want to say, because we do the ratings every week, I mean, you tell me what you think, but to the best of my memory, it feels like most weeks we talk about the overrun, maybe, except with a few exceptions, it's down significantly from the eighth quarter of dynamite. Yes, it used to be, they'd always get some kind of bump, whether it was a little one or a more sizable one, 50 or something. 60 or 70,000 people, but now it's consistently down, and this past one was down significantly. So they have reversed a positive trend they have. I don't know how otherwise to explain that. But I'm studied, I guess, long enough on it until I figured out a way to explain it.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Well, let's see what we go learn here. This was retweeted by the Meltzer said what Twitter account from... You know who? his cousin is, don't you? No, who? The lead singer of Wright said Fred. Oh, God. Well, let's go to this from Wrestling Observer Radio on August 23rd, Brian Albraz and Dave Meltzer discussing the AEW overrun. And, or after, they had a long overrun. And if you look at the quarters, again, and this happens all the time, the overrun totally died. Well, in 18-34, it only went down a little bit. It was a last segment on the show. Yeah, but the last segment's always, you know, They always declined.
Starting point is 01:04:37 They held up better than most. The overruns should never decline. It never declines on NXT. No, you're wrong. It declines on NXT all the time. It didn't. I studied this stuff. It goes up on a EW.
Starting point is 01:04:50 Oh, wait a around. Come on, come on. I know, no, I study this stuff. That's the whole reason why they started having overruns was because it didn't decline. Why would they've been having overruns for 25 fucking years? now. Oh, this will hurt our numbers. Let's do more of this. How can we trace away more people at the end of the show? I know, Ed, more show.
Starting point is 01:05:15 Let's go back to this. It goes down on AEW frequently. It goes up on an XT frequently. It goes down on a NixT frequently. It's based on basically, it's going to, it's based on a couple of things. Number one, it's on competition television, 10 o'clock, and number two, the segment itself. I mean, I've seen plenty of overruns in AEW that go up. Plenty overruns go down. The overrun did 564. That's not a little drop.
Starting point is 01:05:43 What's the 18 to 49? 293. And what was the segment before? 304. So it dropped a little bit. Let me stop for a second. Oh, God's sake. You could say things are not going well.
Starting point is 01:05:55 You could say that it's not good. It's not a positive. You could address the fact that the overrun has hurt the show, not helped it. It has not done anything to help. in terms of interest or ratings, and it's dying every week. And, well, people wearing shorts didn't tune out. Oh, see, it only went down a little bit. What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:06:17 Well, let's go back. There's a little more audio out here. Still a lot of people didn't see it. That's, but that's normal. That's a normal last quarter. That's not unusual. I mean, it's like, yeah, it went down. Nxti went up.
Starting point is 01:06:30 So it went up this week. But the point is, it's like, it can go up. it can go down and it depends on, it basically depends on more, you know, again, you're going against the convention, so that's like a pretty major competition, but it also depends on, it just depends on what you got.
Starting point is 01:06:46 And if, if Danielson and Swerve was something that they thought was great, it wasn't going to go down. So there's your answer. Or, many times it goes up. I can't.
Starting point is 01:06:57 Let me stop for a moment there. Well, did. The strong competition, this competition. Did he actually just admit something, though? if swerve and Danielson isn't a big deal to people is going to go down. Of course, the bigger analysis is Tony Kahn's booking has made it that way, but it's pulling teeth.
Starting point is 01:07:21 You've got to get a dentistry degree to get him to admit the obvious without prevarication and fornication and lubrication. Let's go back to last few seconds of this. fine last weeks but I think it was exact same thing happened last week no plenty of times
Starting point is 01:07:39 I studied this you know it's like I look at them every week I know it goes it goes it both go up and down it depends on the week we had hangman
Starting point is 01:07:48 nobody stop it there that's the end of it I study this and he sees things that other people can't see because of his precognitive abilities
Starting point is 01:07:57 and there's someone named Switchblade on Twitter who actually posted so let's actually do some studying and look at the numbers. And he has posted a series of charts here that appear to disprove what Dave just said. The conclusion from this data is that it is not the norm
Starting point is 01:08:17 for either Dynamite or NXT to lose viewers, but since April 10th, it has become almost 50-50 that AEW will lose viewers in the overrun. I'm sure Dave will blame competition, but the competition doesn't seem to affect NXT, Well, there it is. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 01:08:39 I mean... I mean, the overrun's completely ineffective. They should get rid of it, don't you think? Well, yes, because it actually, at this point, since it's... That goes into their average, so technically now that is decreasing their average. But also, for the people who are most interested in... You know, they can't watch it live, but they want to see it. they devr and they don't see the goddamn, you know,
Starting point is 01:09:08 the thing it's supposed to be the big fucking deal at the end, right? They get, they get jacked off for two hours, but they don't get to come. So why do it? Because it used to be done when wrestling was popular, and, you know, that's his frame of reference. Well, it sounds like Alvarez gets it, you know, to me it does, at least.
Starting point is 01:09:33 It sounds like Alvarez kind of sees what's going on. He may not agree with, you know, he may like a lot of that stuff a lot more than we do, but in terms of the actual results, it seems like he's acknowledging what's up. Well, because when you don't acknowledge what is in front of you factually that can be verified, then you come off looking like a complete fucking idiot. Or Dave defending, humming a, howma, hama, hama, hama, hama, hama, hama, but he goes up and down. He goes up and down. I study this, which does that mean don't question me?
Starting point is 01:10:04 What does that mean? I study this. Well, no, he studies it. It's the same thing as you've got to learn. He studies it and he learns and he studies it better and he's smarter learner. He learns big than everybody else. Do you think wrestling history should be taught, should be an elective in a college and university and also who would teach it?
Starting point is 01:10:27 Oh, good Lord. No, I think too many people think they know what the fuck about the business to begin with now without trying to teach a bunch more, and then who would teach it? Every fucking jack off it still wants to goddamn make people think they're smart. Could you get any
Starting point is 01:10:46 anybody that really liked being a booker or creative in the wrestling business to possibly suffer through teaching a class of goddamn... But that's different. That'd be teaching wrestling philosophy.
Starting point is 01:11:05 wrestling psychology. In terms of wrestling history, you're one of the very few bookers who really knows the history. Can you imagine me sitting in a room of people trying to fucking start them from scratch? Yeah. Maybe if you got tenure. I may have 10 years and I'm not going to spend it on fucking teaching people anymore about fucking wrestling, in person at least. We can impart some wisdom over the airwaves here. Well, let me ask you this, Brian, since they got a two-hour pre-year. show at a five-hour pay-per-view window and we were just talking about the overruns on dynamite,
Starting point is 01:11:41 what do you think the odds are that they run over on the pay-per-view since they're in Wembley Stadium and they go just way past the wee hour of midnight British standard time over there? What do you think? You want to bet on that? Well, I don't want to bet on that because I'm not sure what time they started or what exactly is going on or what the booking philosophies of Wembley are. Well, the best way to do it when you want to go back. bet on something is to not to have any idea of what the fuck is going on.
Starting point is 01:12:09 Because that way you got no preconceived notions. Well, that's the first thing. Any good experience gambler will tell you that they would rather gamble with people that don't have a clue what's going on. It's much more fun. Because that way you get to watch people learn for themselves, right?
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Starting point is 01:13:14 But anyway, they're doing it right now and you can bet on it. You can, they got a big match up. Apparently, we talked about this the other day. The preseason number one team is going to fight the preseason number 16 team in a big football match. And, which to me seems kind of. unfair, but you can right now, here's the deal. Do they know about the deal, Brian?
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Starting point is 01:15:41 Boy, I tell you what, we were in Dagum, what was it, Plowboy Fraser ran the town. He promoted it. A friend of his in Mississippi had this building somehow. It was easily five miles from a paved road to get into this town. In North Mississippi, probably about 50 miles south of Memphis. the main event was the moon dogs, Larry Latham and Randy Colley, with me in the corner against Jerry Lawler and Plowboy Frasier. And there's 200 people in this barn.
Starting point is 01:16:20 And half of them are under the age of fucking 12. I don't know what happened there, but everybody in town apparently had eight children. And the first thing that Larry Latham is, them does, he's acting like if he's a moon dog, right? So Lawler has worn his crown out, not even a jacket, just the crown. And Lawler sets the crown on a timekeeper's table. And he goes, he gets introduced, he's in the corner, they're going to start to match. Larry's down on all fours, and he reaches out.
Starting point is 01:16:54 And with his big hand, he's going to paw the crown, he's going to, well, he didn't know how flimsy it was. Lawler brought his spot show crown. but when he grabbed the top of that crowd he just flattened in all the supposed jewels the rubies the emeralds the sapphires the diamonds popped out of this fucking thing and flew into the goddamn front row on that side and you should have seen
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Starting point is 01:19:35 doings over at the big stadium. We got to talk about our nation's capital, Brian. Washington, D.C. was the site of the Smackdown for August 23rd, where they're almost ready to go home to Berlin or go home for Berlin or sweet home Berlin. Take me home, Berlin roads. Take me home Autobahn. See, I'm going to polish this. Take me home, Autobahn. Did you ever hear the Lou Reed album Berlin? No, did he go to Berlin too? Yeah, yeah. And for a while was the heroin capital of Eastern Europe. But he followed up Transformer, his biggest hit album with Walk on the Wild Side, produced by
Starting point is 01:20:19 David Bowie. He followed that up with Berlin, which most people who have heard it will agree is the most depressing album ever. Every song makes you want to kill yourself. It's the most depressing fucking album. And it's the most curious move. one of the many curious moves in the career trajectory of Lurie, Berlin. What did you think about Berlin, the group? Old Terry Nunn? Terry Nunn.
Starting point is 01:20:47 For whatever reason, I'm like, that first album, what did it say? Like, Terry Nunn, BJs and vocals. It's like, what? What the fuck is that? Well, she was a tiny little girl. Do you know this? Very short, petite.
Starting point is 01:21:00 Stacey met her at a concert in California many years ago and had... two of my 45s from the early 80s with the picture sleeves had her picture right there on the cover and got them autographed. We have them in the TV room to this day. You know, she was an actress too, because she's, I believe she's one of the actresses that tried out for the role of Princess Leia. And also, she was in other things. What was she in?
Starting point is 01:21:30 God damn it, I hadn't thought of her in ages. You brought up Berlin. You keep doing this to me. You throw me off subject. What else was Terry Nunn in? I don't know, but Bob Ezrin was the producer of Berlin. And, of course, he went on to have a great career as a producer, but that album took a lot out of a lot of people.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Back to Smackdown. Oh, you mean the producer of Berlin, the album by... Lou Reed. Lou Reed, rather than... I thought you made even... Because we were talking about the group Berlin. I thought he produced Berlin, and their album took a lot out of people.
Starting point is 01:22:03 because I thought their album was very peppy and full of life. But not Lou Reed. Unlike this show today. All right. I guess we got to talk about smack. They had a big house in Washington, but that's nothing newsworthy they've been doing that lately. And the opening video that they did was the recap of last week
Starting point is 01:22:28 where Roman returned and beat up all of the, associated bloodline there and got the Ulifala, the red lay, and had it around his neck, and then Jacob Fatu with the super kick and just beat the shit out of him. And they did this video brilliantly, even with the sound effects and the beats and the whole nine yards. And I'm like, wow, let's see what's going to happen next. And then they had a big introduction for Grayson fucking Waller.
Starting point is 01:23:02 and Austin Theory was with him and he had the ring set up for his goofy talk show and they brought out Cody who was over in Washington like fucking Martin Luther King they were screaming for him and I had a conundrum
Starting point is 01:23:24 I'm like do I watch because it's Cody or do I not watch because it's Waller and I decide he's not that bad. Oh, good. That you would even consider skipping a Cody segment.
Starting point is 01:23:38 Hey, the only way I can see putting him in the main role in anything related to entertainment is if they goddamn do an Australian update of Gomer Powell USMC. And then stick that gangly, gawky, dopey-looking
Starting point is 01:23:54 fucker in that. But anyway, because Cody was there, let's see what they're going to say for themselves. And, they're trying to get heat on Waller for some reason he cut off the
Starting point is 01:24:12 entrance before the fans could whoa and he cut off his opening line but Cody is still majorly over blah blah blah so Cody said that given Owens a title shot wasn't charity
Starting point is 01:24:29 Owens he doesn't stop fighting he's fought the bloodline all this time I would have been championed if not for Kevin Owens. Not like you, Grayson Waller, who just uses Austin Theory, but one of these days, you're going to smarten up Austin Theory, and everybody wants to see you get even with Waller, is what he's saying. But then Waller plays Cody a video of Owens over the last 10 years turning on Sammy Zane, John Sina, Chris Jericho,
Starting point is 01:25:04 Kofi Kingston Sammy again How many times has Kevin Owen slash Dean turned on Sammy Zane slash L Generico I wonder I was going to say
Starting point is 01:25:16 Justin WWE or you're talking about ever No over their entire lifetimes Oh boy I don't know I could bring myself to trust that guy again after number five or six but anyway
Starting point is 01:25:29 they play that video and out comes Kevin Owens and it's not going to happen because all of them except for Kofi deserved it Kofi, I'm sorry you know, my bad but the rest of them deserved it but then he did the deal that he loves to do this
Starting point is 01:25:54 I've seen him do it a bunch of times where he says now is the part where usually I'd get in and we'd beat you guys up and somebody would make a tag team match Yes, and it happens too often, but you're not the cool kid, Kevin, that should be allowed to make fun of their own goddamn television show. That's his thing. He always wants to be cool for the smart fans.
Starting point is 01:26:21 Instead of, come up with a different way to do it that doesn't involve either you doing the same thing in the same order or making fun of the fact that, wrestling is fake and they do a lot of the same shit in the same order. You see where I'm going with this, Brian? I do. And I can see why it would bother you.
Starting point is 01:26:40 Yes, come up with a new way to do it without taking a piss out of the fucking program you're on. So Owens calls Aldus out to make the match and Aldous makes the tag match and then Owen says, do I have time to punch them in the face anyway?
Starting point is 01:26:57 Usually it happens before we make the match. And again, this is why I couldn't suffer him a lot in Ring of Honor because he always wanted to appeal to the absolute smallest group out there that is watching wrestling to basically do what fucking Uncle Dave does.
Starting point is 01:27:21 Anyway, and Alda says, we'll make it quick and then they beat up the heels. So there you go. I don't know that this was the thing. thing that put the most amount of interest in the main event tag match, but the only thing they were going for is, is Kevin Owen's going to turn on Cody Rhodes? Your thoughts on this performance? They went for two things.
Starting point is 01:27:47 Will Kevin Owens turn on Cody Rhodes, and they teased that till the very end? And the other thing was, I guess, a lighter tease. Austin Theory, having a baby face run and starting it off by getting fed up of Grayson Waller using him. Well, yeah, but they've been teasing that to the point where... Well, this was the most over... It was said out loud in front of the entire building. Well, a lot of the announcers have been saying it out loud in front of the goddamn television universe.
Starting point is 01:28:14 If they're going to... Teasing is one thing, but if they're not going to put out eventually, let us get home early so we can call somebody that's desperate. Do you think that's what Austin Theory needs right now? Not just to be away from Grace and Law, but actually to be a different... Not to be a heel anymore, to be a baby face for a wall? Well, but... You know, the problem is they've painted him as such a clueless putts.
Starting point is 01:28:37 What is his personality as a baby face now? Does he instantly, does he get a brain transplant? How does he metamorphosize into someone that we want to cheer for as a person? Does he need a friend? I don't. I mean, it sounds funny saying about that. But does he need, like, you know, Cody Rhodes is the one he was here. Top babyface in the company is the one here
Starting point is 01:29:03 saying you're being used by this guy. You know what he needs? He needs goddamn Jeff Jarrett to come over and give him a big pep talk like he did to Danielson. That's what he needs. So you want him to go to AEW? That's what you're saying. No.
Starting point is 01:29:20 I'm wanting Jeff Jarrett to come back here. He deserves better. Anyway, well, we'll talk about the tag team match playa main event in a minute. but so we're about 15 minutes into the show we've got that established we get the first match and it's for the u.s title and it's l.A. night and it's Pablo Escobar with the whole crew of lucha heels out there I don't know that they're very interesting but um basically during the the introductions the heels jerked l a night to the floor and beat him up and the announcers had to say, well, all this is legal because the bell hasn't rung yet to start the match.
Starting point is 01:30:04 And then the referee kicked all three of the stooges, including the girl out of Jennifer Lopez, out of ringside, and rings the bell and L.A. Knight gets a flurry, but Escobar gets the heat on him. And I started fast forwarding because, what's fuck? We hopefully know what's going to happen. and I'm not interested in Escobar
Starting point is 01:30:27 in his organization there but did you see L.A. Knight's big elbow off the top right before he hit his finish? Yes, I did. I love that. He has a twit. He stood on a second rope and jumped backward to the top and then came off the top with the elbow.
Starting point is 01:30:46 He doesn't look like a a trapeze artist, but he does some cool shit. Yeah, and every time he does it, even though you've seen him do it before, it's almost a surprise at the ease at which he does it. I mean, I've seen him slip up a few times, too. But a lot of those times it's him actually trying to work with someone on the top rope
Starting point is 01:31:05 as opposed to jumping himself and jumping off. Yeah. Normally he, and everybody brawn babbled the other week. But nevertheless, L.A. night with the L.A. night with the BFT, one, two, three, for you and me, come see, come see, come. And then we had a girl's six-man tag team match. Six-woman. Yes.
Starting point is 01:31:32 Well, okay, I'm sorry, we had a women's six-man tag team match. No, six-women's trios, spectacular. You can't say man. Six women, were there any six-women's tag matches back in the day? I can't think of, was Mula doing those matches? No, no. Well, no promoter wanted to fucking pay for them. Yeah, how many promoters had six women on a card?
Starting point is 01:31:54 well every once in a while you would have like the six-girl battle royal and that might be considered an attraction but you wouldn't just book a six-woman tag team match because that would be silly playa um and then they did a package where we're almost to the nine o'clock hour but natalia narrated a package on w wf in germany in the 1990s it was like i remember my uncle brett telling me about how popular it but they mentioned that the first time that Raw
Starting point is 01:32:28 emanated from Berlin was March 3rd 1997. Was that not that fucking low-rated piece of shit that led to Vince McMahon hiring shit-stain to begin with?
Starting point is 01:32:42 I think so because I remember the look of it it was just dark and dreary. You know, it just did not look up the snuff against me. Well, but and remember it was from two places because I did the commentary on one. We were there that night live in the studio in Stanford.
Starting point is 01:32:58 One of them was, one location was from Berlin, and the other one was for somewhere in the Middle East. Was it, it wasn't Kuwait? Oh, God damn it. I can't reach my drawer with all my books or I'd look it up. But nevertheless, that had been the big international, raw, Vince and Kevin Dunn had the idea that since they had two international tours
Starting point is 01:33:29 at that time going that they would have tape or live or whatever the fuck. It was all on tape at some point but they would have the raws emanating from these two foreign locations around the world
Starting point is 01:33:48 and it would be a big deal that would show their superiority over WCD that couldn't draw in international markets. And no other fans gave a shit, right? And besides that, it was just house show footage and matches and that they were shooting. There was no story. There was no fucking live interviews coming,
Starting point is 01:34:12 where people were coming out and trash talk, blah, blah, blah. It was just a straight wrestling show with good matches that had not been promoted because everything was being talked about oh, they're in Berlin and they're in fucking Swaziland, wherever. And then when the rating came in, abysmal, Vince McMahon had a breakdown and hired shit stain on the writing staff, ignoring the fact that at least 50% of his writing staff had been saying for the previous couple weeks
Starting point is 01:34:47 that those shows were going to be the shits, because they were just dry matches. I do want to go back and watch that, though. It's been years probably since 97 that I saw Davy Boy versus Owen. I want to go back and watch that. It was a great match. It was a house show match. And it hadn't been promoted for weeks on television.
Starting point is 01:35:09 It was just people were looking, ah, there's, yeah, the show kind of looks so good. It's just they shot a house show. And there's no promos. And where's this thing and that thing and the other thing? and we were doing commentary over it from Stanford after the fucking fact and again, Nitro was live and
Starting point is 01:35:34 with, yes, and with two different announcing teams because you couldn't have same announcers in two different countries because people would see through it. So they had footage from two different countries and had the announcers in a studio calling it. Couldn't use the time machine. Boy, even that. I would have welcomed them that rather than some of those
Starting point is 01:35:55 voiceover sessions we did back then with Vince producing. Nevertheless, at the 9 o'clock hour on Smackdown, here came solo and a bloodline. And this was genius what they did here because you will recall that
Starting point is 01:36:13 when they won the tag team titles, it was supposed to be Tomatoga. Tomatanga and Tonga Loa had got his he'd been playing with his BB gun I guess he put his eye out or whatever and I had an eye patch on right
Starting point is 01:36:35 so they substituted Jacob Fatu so Jacob Fatu could beat up the baby faces and win the tag team title pretty much all by himself and now they came out and Solo says Jacob give Tom
Starting point is 01:36:54 the tag team title belt. And he does. I love you, my tribal chief, because now he says you can't be one of the tag team champions if you're going to be my personal enforcer. So now they featured him beating up the champions and winning the belts, and then he doesn't have to sell to any of these mid-card tag teams or potentially be on the losing side. So I thought that was a strong. of genius.
Starting point is 01:37:28 And otherwise, as soon as solo talks, they chant, we want Roman. We want Roman. He doesn't, he has more heat. He has more heat like, fuck you, you're a heel, we don't like you. Then when Roman said, acknowledge me, a lot of them booed and they roared and it was even a bigger response,
Starting point is 01:37:51 but a lot of them were cheering and you saw the number one, the fingers that would go up. but now they they view Solo as the Pretender to the throne and Roman's over as the big baby face and so Solo's got more heel heat than Roman had at the end there
Starting point is 01:38:09 and Roman is automatically Cody level here they're one and two neck and neck and you know I mean and a lot of most of these guys are new except for Roman they're all fucking new and they've got
Starting point is 01:38:28 them over. I'm droning on. Before we, the segment goes to shit, what did you think? You know, it was interesting. It was interesting hearing the audience reaction to Jacob Fatu standing there and having the tag title taken from him. And then you see Jacob Fatu's role, which is really to kind of minimize what he's going to do in the ring until it's needed, it seems.
Starting point is 01:38:52 I'm all for doing more with Tongaolaoa. I'm all for having him in every match. he's hysterical he's one of my favorite guys in a business and um you know it's effective stuff it plays into everything later on you know you still just don't know where everything's going to go you don't know when haman's going to come back and don't know when other people are going to be added to this
Starting point is 01:39:12 when the Uso's are going to get added to this because Solo is their brother that's how Roman and them can heal up but we'll see I thought this was good though and uh I've had people send me I guess we'll talk about the match a little later apparently Jacob Fatu stood at ringside the entire time
Starting point is 01:39:29 with his hands in the prayer position Yes and didn't break like the entire match Well see that he steals the show By standing in the ring Because he's so much more intense Than the others And he looks so much wilder than
Starting point is 01:39:47 The gold fucking teeth guy He looks like Fucking jaws Richard Keel and James Bond and he looks like he can snap at any minute, whereas the other ones, as I mentioned before, before Jacob came in. They just seem like they're a little too clean.
Starting point is 01:40:06 So you're drawn to, he has a charisma, he has magnetism, you're drawn to keep an eye on him, and he commits to what he's fucking doing, right? So anyway, they've said and done all this, and then here comes B-Fab and the street prophets. And this is exactly what I was just talking about.
Starting point is 01:40:27 You can't have Jacob working equally with the street profits or the other mid-card tag teams when he's supposed to be some type of threat to Roman Raines' health. So that's why they moved him out of. They used it to get him over. And then they moved him out of it to put heat on the other bloodline folks. and take him out of an awkward position. So, you know, this is more example of the intricate way that they're thinking into this rather than AEW where anybody at any level of the card is going to go 20 minutes with the top fucking guy.
Starting point is 01:41:11 And it just makes no sense visually or storyline or anyway. Having said that, we had to watch Tomah. Loa Tongas. God damn it. Tomatanga and Tonga Lola. If they're brothers, why don't they have the same last goddamn name? I don't know. They do things differently on the islands. Well, you know, as strange as it may seem, they give these Samoan strange names these days.
Starting point is 01:41:41 Now, you got who's on what's island, what's on the second island, or who's on first island, what's on the second island? And I don't know's on the third island. Anyway, so the Tonga's wrestled the prophets And finally Jacob Fatu super kicked both of the prophets And threw one in and Tama hit his finish one two three So again they're featuring Jacob, I couldn't I couldn't go through the nuts and bolts of the whole thing
Starting point is 01:42:10 Did Tonga Loa miss the ground when he fell this time Or anything major? No, not really. It was kind of boring because of that But no, I think the street profits are good, and I think they've been used a little better lately, but of course they lost here. So we'll see what happens now. It's all to be determined. Only time will tell if we stand the test of time.
Starting point is 01:42:35 But let's get back to the point of this thing, because we still got shit to go here. Then after the bloodline, the Tongas beat the street profits, then they get more heat on them, but then Champa and Gargano hit, and they started making a big comeback, and I'm like, my God, they can't be out of their minds at these two. But fortunately, no, Jacob Fatu and Solo stopped them
Starting point is 01:43:02 and beat the shit out of them too. So all was right with the world by the time they got out of this segment. Did Gargano and Champa get too much? Considering if the end result was going to be what it was where they're going to get beat up by Jacob Fatu, considering these of the main guys, the bloodline, did they get too much?
Starting point is 01:43:19 they didn't get too much on the Tongas but Solo was put in an awkward awkward position there for about 10 seconds So that's But possibly that's to You know assuage hurt feelings I don't know but Yeah I wouldn't have
Starting point is 01:43:37 They don't get to fucking blowfeld Before they pass all of the goddamn henchmen See think about that That's very good so anyway back in the back they had Cody Rhodes and Kevin Owens having an awkward discussion with each other you know kind of there's a little tension in the air you're ready yeah yeah I'm ready you ready yeah I'm ready
Starting point is 01:44:04 and Owens is I don't want you to think that I'm setting you up and I it's not going to happen the other guys they deserved it whatever and Cody said no all I can do is take you at your word and be ready for what comes next. Why did they deserve it? The other guys they deserve it. What did Sammy Zane do? Oh, he's always doing something.
Starting point is 01:44:28 That's why he gets turned on so much. But here's the thing. Now I'm pretty convinced that they're, they're yanking our chain and teasing something that's not going to happen for intrigue's sake. Because at first, when they first mentioned it, I was just, I didn't even think it was going to happen I wasn't sold on the idea it was going to happen
Starting point is 01:44:50 is this what they're trying to do, but this is a red herring because right now Kevin Owens turning on Cody Rhodes would diminish when Randy Orton turns on Cody Rhodes which I'm sure is going to happen and is where all the big money is and also now they're
Starting point is 01:45:09 they've led us to believe that and are about to again in this tag match to the point where I don't believe it's going to happen. Can they do this with every one of Cody's friends while he's champion, every single person? You think they're going to turn on him and you're just waiting for it to happen? Well, to some degree... It's a very dusty roads kind of thing now that I think about it.
Starting point is 01:45:31 Well, yeah, to some degree you can, but you can't go too far overboard with it or it loses the... Because they've planted seeds with Orton, and that will be big, and I'm pretty sure it will happen. but if you tease everybody to the same level or the same extent where you've almost got people believing it's going to happen then eventually when it does it that's kind of taking the edge off of something there so you know not everybody
Starting point is 01:45:59 but Owen's a backstabbing prick like him from that video I guess you could you could make a good case for that but that's how they set up to tag match Cody and Owens against Theory and Waller and oh, what might happen. And, but it was a standard tag team match, and they worked the gimmicks. And by the way, Waller looks like a valet parking guy had to step in
Starting point is 01:46:26 because somebody's plane was canceled. Just in the... Even Owens is a physically repulsive-looking human being with the pale white skin and the tattoos to cover the lack of definition and the clothing to cover the rest, but at least he looks like some fucking body, even if some fucking body has a rotten body.
Starting point is 01:46:56 Anyway, it's a compliment in some kind of way. So there was a spot where Cody got distracted off the apron by one of the heels and missed Owens' attempt to tag, and they got some heat on Owens. And then, Owens gives a cold tag to Cody. Nobody can set up a fucking
Starting point is 01:47:15 hot tag it ain't that hard god damn it they just don't even try anymore and the people cheer because it's a tag but can you imagine if it had been done right and then they stopped after cody made a come back they stopped him and got some heat on him and then owens was distracted by one of the heels and missed cody's opportunity to tag so they're putting in your mind ah there's going to be something go on and finally cody got another cold tag where there's nobody trying to stop him just reached up and tagged, but they cheered anyway. And Owens' interesting choice of making his comeback on the floor to start, and then Swanton, two-count, they go back and forth at Owen's power-bombed Waller, one, two, three.
Starting point is 01:48:04 At least they've started beating Waller. So that gives me hope. But then the whole payoff to the thing was Owens picked up the title bed. and Cody's in the foreground. Owens is in the background. Heels are on the floor. So it looked like he was going to drawback and hit Cody, but is he right then he walks by him and hands Cody the belt and starts yelling at the heels? They did that really well.
Starting point is 01:48:31 They did do that really well. And then Cody's suspicious look. Yeah, that was done really well. Because I just turned and had him in my peripheral vision. Did he change what he was going to do? Can I trust him in Berlin? not to jerk my balls from my fucking coin purse and you know what I mean these things happen you never know I mean it is it is
Starting point is 01:48:57 Berlin yes in the heat of competition those Germans have been known to snatch somebody's coin purse that's right but that's the way they they did that on the smackdown Brian and I'll tell you it was it was very close close as to whether Owen turned on Cody close as to whether Cody may have believed the things they said to the heels said about Owens, it was a close shave all around. That's right. And usually you don't hear the word close shave with Kevin Owens. No, but I'll tell you what, that's why I wish that I had known about our friends at
Starting point is 01:49:37 Harry's back when Owens was working for me. Because Kevin Steen was a hairy, unkempt, son of a bitch, who you could not get to wash and press his gear or dress up in a suit or shave his beard in an appropriate fashion to look like he hadn't been living in a cave for three months? You couldn't do any of that, but if it had been as easy as just pointing him to harry's.com back then in those days, in the days before internet shaving became a thing, then God, it would have been easy as pie, piece of cake, piece of pie. Piece of baked goods, box of fluffy ducks. Because you know, nobody's going to shave you like Harry.
Starting point is 01:50:24 I think we've established that, Brian, haven't we? That nobody's going to give you a shave of the slickness and the inexpensiveality and the satisfactory capability of our friends at harries.com. We've proven that, haven't we? I mean, I don't know about prove. I don't know. That's an interesting word to you. I believe that any jury in the, in the, in the,
Starting point is 01:50:47 United States of America today would feel that we have proven our case because when you go to harry's dot com, it's not like when you go to the grocery store and you try to get the package of cartridges that go on your razor and they're weighed down with a ball and chain, a giant padlock if you try to innocently walk out of the store with one of these in your pocket just because you didn't want to lose it when you bag the rest of your groceries. And all of a sudden here comes a bunch of you. a Gestapo and they tackle you and they start beating you with clubs. Because you've set off every alarm and a goddamn NORAD.
Starting point is 01:51:26 You don't have to go through all of that. All you got to do is order your cartridges, order your razors, order your foaming shave gel. Order your deodorant, your lotion, your body wash, your hair gel. Oh yeah, you might even be able to order gasoline, kerosene, and peroxide from these people. No, no, and no, we know. Well, you never can tell. We can tell. We can tell.
Starting point is 01:51:53 You can tell right now, huh? Exquisitely tell, there'll be no gasoline, kerosene, or whatever the third one was, that was a no. Well, what about petroleum jelly? See, that's something they might branch out into. I don't know how that's used. It could be used potentially, I guess, for some kind of... Well, Vaseline is petroleum jelly. Right.
Starting point is 01:52:13 So, see, you've got an oil-based product in the... there, but it's also jelly. I don't make the rules. So you can say, please pass the jelly, and everybody knows that you need some vaseline to grease yourself up for who knows what kind of intrusion from another person is going to happen in your various orifices. But nevertheless, back at Harry's, they will give you the slickest, the best, the nicest shave with all the shaving products and the smell good product, the skin softening body wash, where you can smell like random trees in a forest before the root rot sets in, and they've got amazing smelling deodorant that will also dee your odor.
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Starting point is 01:53:54 I'm going to eat him first. Sewage-smelling forest. Where the hell are you? Well, have you ever smelled a deep, dark forest with all the goddamn mildew from the compost? You've got dead trees rotting. You've got animals shitting everywhere. It's nothing but fecal matter and goddamn fecesy. and methane gas everywhere.
Starting point is 01:54:15 This is the same thing you said about the streets of London. Well, that's right, because they let their animals out of the forest and on those thousand-year-old streets. But Harries won't do that, folks. Harry's does not let any wild animals shave you or shit in your products that you buy from them. They're completely zoologically shit-free at Harries.com. What you do, you go to Harries.com.
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Starting point is 01:55:57 until it's clean take the top layer of skin off every six months or so and also that that leads to better hair follicle rejuvenation you know i should have picked a better one this sucks you think good Lord And now this one won't stop But we are in the future It's been just the time machine
Starting point is 01:56:29 Is malfunctioning today ladies and gentlemen Yeah Boy you think that sounded like an angry cat Being disemboweled with a fish hook Well all sorts of things happen in the future Here or in London Whatever it may be Yes
Starting point is 01:56:42 Well we have not only Apprised ourselves of all in But I'll have you know Ladies and gentlemen That our long national nightmare has come to an end, Brian is still picking apart my audio, but I've done my part. And we have had since we traveled through time, we've had Spectrum over here and found somebody the one Spectrum employee that knows how this shit works.
Starting point is 01:57:11 And now I have boo-coos of migs and gigs and downloads and speeds and they got rid of the multiple motors and routums and got us a new system, guy named Jason, Brian, his uncle Kurt actually trained at Boogie's wrestling camp with Jimmy Valiant. And he said, Kurt's from Lexington. And this young man has been doing this internet installing, fixing, whatever the technical term, for 22 years.
Starting point is 01:57:50 and he came in here because we had catastrophes going on. The cable box in the bedroom had died, so I couldn't watch TV in there, and the Wi-Fi had died because of the recent upgrade in something or other, and the modems and motors, modem, modem and routers, rotos, were garbage,
Starting point is 01:58:17 and Stace couldn't watch the streaming TV, and you're always bitching about my internet speed just because my download speed was seven so he came in here well remember did you tell him what your speeds were what was it that one time like 46 or some shit it was something bad that was like 46 over
Starting point is 01:58:41 like six it was really really bad if it had been blood pressure we wouldn't have been speaking at that point but anyway yeah he whipped through the whole thing he was on the ladder he drilled the holes and he had a he hooked up his oscillating framostat
Starting point is 01:59:00 and showed me on the screen see those big peaks it was like a EKG thing see those peaks that's interference he said we want you to be a flat line I said you and a lot of other motherfuckers
Starting point is 01:59:14 but boy when he flatline us, well then we got all our shit straightened out. Apparently, the last time when they sent somebody over here, the guy that had stayed inside the wall to monitor everything, he forgot to bring his lunchbox and he had starved to death and kind of calcified. So once we drug him out and got rid of him... He kind of calcified?
Starting point is 01:59:41 Yeah, he just kind of calcified. He was all shriveled up and just kind of stiff. So we tossed, they took him back. And they put a new guy on the walls. And now he's, he's all set to keeping out and everything, make sure everything's working. Well, aren't you happy? All right. Yeah, I'm very happy.
Starting point is 02:00:02 I mean, this is, again, this is step one in the big audio upgrade of 24, 25. But this is a big moment for the show and a big moment for you in Castle Cornette. You think it's going to take that long, do you, for, to get me into the 20th century? I think it'll be by piecemeal. I just thought of something. Technically, it isn't the 20th century anymore, is it? No, it is technically or physically or any other way you look at it. Well, you know, you used to say when you were talking about things being modern,
Starting point is 02:00:33 hey, this is the 20th century. Well, you don't say that anymore, do you? I guess. Not really. But you don't hear a lot of people saying, hey, this is the 21st century. It doesn't have the same ring to it. Not at all. What should we do about that?
Starting point is 02:00:54 I don't know. Why don't you tell us what you're doing on the Arcadian Vanguard network this week, and then we'll move on with the show. Another fine week on the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, and information about all the shows on Twitter at Super Podcasts or, of course, on Facebook. Facebook.com slash Arcadian Vanguard. A few notes.
Starting point is 02:01:14 Of course, every day the wrestling news. It's there for you, and it's free. No clickbait, no paywall. There's not a paywall? No paywall whatsoever. You know, I'll tell you what, usually when I hear the word paywall, I immediately think, well, these motherfuckers are out to get me and one in specific. But you don't have a paywall.
Starting point is 02:01:36 No paywall, no one is out to get you with the wrestling news. I guarantee you that. We're only out to get the news. You'll get them. Well, we'll get who. I don't know who we're going to get the news. We're going to get everyone for free. Well, if they're not out to get you, then all the people who listen to the wrestling news,
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Starting point is 02:03:05 instead of hiding behind these insidious paywalls and their dark corners of the earth and the internet. Everyone who has a paywall must die. No, no, that's not what we're saying. That's not what we're saying at all. And again, even the tagline wasn't an attack on anyone, except I guess certain people saw it as an attack because they're insecure. But no, we're all for giving as much away to the people as we can. So it is an all-out war?
Starting point is 02:03:37 No, of course not. No, okay. I thought we were going to have to start building stockades and arming ourselves and taking prisoners. Well, we're not. We're the generals. Other people do that stuff. That's true. We can just delegate, right?
Starting point is 02:03:51 all right well can we delegate somebody to watch the AEW pay pay reviews from now on and have like reporters in the field that just send us back the report we can plug and now here's the report and boy howdy this uh all in I was certainly all in after watching it I was exhaustified but at the same time Brian do you know they actually went I can't say they went short. You cannot apply a short to this program in any way.
Starting point is 02:04:26 But when I recorded the pay-per-view on my spectrum cable, thank you, Jason, they had a five-hour window. And remember I said on the last show we did here in preface of this, I believe that there's a, the countdown show, the pregame show was two hours. and says what the fuck but they actually for once they did the pay-per-view
Starting point is 02:04:55 in four hours instead of the five-hour window that at least I had on my local cable provider and then it just cut off and it was thank you for ordering this pay-per-view
Starting point is 02:05:09 whereas whatever you watched yours on whatever streaming method or whatever it was didn't you say you got like random stand-up comics and Dick Pill ads or some shit? You know, it was kind of shitty with Xfinity.
Starting point is 02:05:24 I decided to, you know, I used to use the Bleacher Report app just because at least like you would have a copy of the event to watch it in the future if you ever wanted to. So I decided to do it on Xfinity this time. I figured I'd record it. The only record option, it was order or order and record. And if you did that, which I did, you had to record an 11-hour block.
Starting point is 02:05:44 From 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. So it ate up my DVR, I have to get rid of this thing. But also, after all in ended, there was, I want to say at least an hour of random comedians in different places, not even like in the same venue doing their sets with Viagra commercials or It Kill commercials in between them. I was like, what is this doing on pay-per-view, the commercials at least? And possibly they got their feeds crossed. maybe they were they were tapping into some unauthorized signal but the pre-show on this what do they call it zero hour it was two hours long but they only had matches for the last hour and 15 minutes of it
Starting point is 02:06:32 but they made up for it I they started the show the pre-show the show the show before the show, when people are still coming into the building, I'm not kidding. A 16-man tag team match. I don't even know what to say. As a matter of fact, I couldn't, I said,
Starting point is 02:07:00 what the fuck, there's so many entrances and what the fuck, and you couldn't really visually know who was on whose side, so I didn't know how to write the names down. Did they report the result of this on the interweb anywhere? Oh, let me find it, because I saw that it taking place, but I did not watch the totality of the pre-show.
Starting point is 02:07:18 No, well, there was a couple of things we want to talk about, but I couldn't even keep track to try to write the names down of who was in this on who's, on what team? Can you give the report on this? Yes, the team of Tommy Billington, the Dynamite Kid, Oh, boy. Kip Sabian, Rocky Romero, Kyle Fletcher. Leo Rush, action Andretti, and top flight with Don Callas. Manager to Babyface.
Starting point is 02:07:54 I was going to be, yes, again, what the fuck? The heel manager with a random guy, three people on that team that you just enumerated, by the way. There are Mexican minis that are bigger than these people. Well, they defeated the team of Jay Lethal, Satnam Singh, Anthony Oggo, Ariadavari, Private Party, and the Dark Order, with Evil Uno and Sanjay Dutt at ringside. Yes, in a 16-man tag team match, there were still managers and stooges at ringside.
Starting point is 02:08:31 And was that just to confuse people as they came in? They're thinking, wait, what the fuck? Is this the Battle Royal? Did we miss the start of the show? What? Why would you? How many plane tickets? did Tony Kahn buy for people to just come over for the experience?
Starting point is 02:08:54 Sort of like as we Kroket used to send the 16 top guys to the NWA convention for a vacation in Vegas or St. Martin or whatever. Hey, I got 150 people on the roster. Let's just fly them all to England. We'll figure out something. Felcher's team won. But here was a positive. as we're starting this thing, we started the compliment sandwich.
Starting point is 02:09:25 I think they shot 50,000 people this year better than they shot 80,000 last year. It looked bigger, didn't it? I thought they did a better job of shooting the show this year than last year. And some people sent some photos saying, like, look, here are the empty seats. You know what? They did a great job on TV of hiding those because you didn't see them. Yeah, if they have 30,000 empty seats in that stadium, they did a great fucking Camoufl's job.
Starting point is 02:09:52 I think actually, you know, we rip on AEW production a lot, especially the audio, and there were audio issues here. Max Castor, you couldn't even really hear his rap. But they did a great job of shooting the room. Great job, I think. The room. It's the whole damn house. The house. They shot the house.
Starting point is 02:10:09 And, you know, everybody was up for it. They were wearing their finest frocks. Aubriette had her mane freshly groomed. Did you see that? Everybody was excited. I don't think I've ever seen her with her hair out before a referee on a show. Well, she didn't really, she didn't have her hair out. Out would indicate that she took it off her head and put it on the dresser table or something.
Starting point is 02:10:35 That's not what I meant. I mean, she didn't have her ponytail. Her hair's always stick it out in some fashion from her, it starts at her scalp and it protrudes, it exudes until the end of the follicleization. so it's always out in some fashion. It was just, it was out in different, different shapes. So apparently the big news is next year, AEW Grand Slam is going to Brisbane, Australia,
Starting point is 02:11:07 February 15th of 2025. So apparently the advance for this year's Grand Slam being a bunt at best has propelled them to say let's get the fuck out of here and is there that much interest? We've had some of the cult of Cornett listeners in Australia say that, eh, we don't know if AEW is a big enough presence in this country to, because anybody else from anywhere but Australia, they're going to have to fucking flyaways, right? So it's it's there you're drawing from the Australian populace. I'm sure there'll be some people to travel, but you're drawing from Australia, and it'll be really interesting to see how this does,
Starting point is 02:11:58 because I don't know off the top of my head too much about AEW's presence on TV in Australia or how they do. You know, we talk so much about the numbers here, we've heard things about Canada and England. I don't know if we ever heard anything about Australia. Well, they're over there in some fashion. but so is fungus on a shower curtain. Sometimes people don't know it's there. And Arthur Ash, after all he's done for them.
Starting point is 02:12:26 After all the, you know, the Grand Slam events in the past, after all he's done for them, they fuck Arthur. Isn't he from Australia? I asked you this the other day off air, maybe. Yeah, you did ask me that. I didn't look it up. I don't think he is, is he? Somebody who's from Australia that, was of the tennis.
Starting point is 02:12:45 Arthur is from Richmond, Virginia, and he died in New York. Well, did he live in Australia any time in the middle of that? Well, actually, he won the Australian Open. Well, now, see, I could have been thinking about, see, my photographic memory sometimes isn't focused. What about Rod Laver? Where the fuck is Rod Laver from? Rod Laver is an Australian tennis player. there you go
Starting point is 02:13:15 who looks nothing like Arthur Ash well I miscommunicated the two it doesn't matter it's at one point Rod Laver was trying to steal Arthur Ash's identity but they life-locked him oh
Starting point is 02:13:30 so anyway then well you know I'll shut that shit down right away the reason I was watching on the pre-show was because the mixed tag team match that we, when we previewed this thing, we said, what the fuck is going on here? Stokely and Statlander, that incredible tag team combination,
Starting point is 02:13:56 against the long-running duo of Willow Nightingale and Ishi. And I was wondering why they would do this, and now that I've seen it, I'm wondering why they would do this. but it actually for a few minutes it was one of the more enjoyable things that you would see on one of the AEW shows that might kind of resemble old-fashioned wrestling
Starting point is 02:14:27 it's a, you know, heel manager were hopefully working like a heel manager although he was dressed like Michael Jackson Stokely when he came out his entrance in was that from when Michael Jackson was in Wembley or something the announcers were blathering on about? I guess I didn't hear the announcers.
Starting point is 02:14:51 I had it on mute a lot, but Michael Jackson did play Wembley in 92, maybe? Well, Stokely's a manager, but he just, he decided he's going to impersonate Michael Jackson, and he came out to no reaction because they do nothing with him. Is it a missed opportunity at Wembley not to have Emmy Sakura, considering Queen's great moments at Wembley State? Oh, Jesus Christ. Don't give him any ideas.
Starting point is 02:15:17 Well, he's not going to be in Wembley for a while, so he has a few years to ruminate on it. Well, but, you know, ruminate or potentially salivate over. But anyway, this, Statlander got a pop, even though they hide her for this untalented bimbo that they've spent millions of dollars on, but they've had Statlander there the whole time. time you could have developed something and now she's just part of the wallpaper and willow remember
Starting point is 02:15:49 when willow was getting over and now she's on the pre-show and whatever the fuck and the the doctor is back in the house and if you saw he's he headed into croger you would hold the door open for the poor guy would you not what are you exactly saying because you're thinking he looks old I'm saying he looks like he's in advanced spinal stenosis. He's, his body is thick, his head is hunched over, he has no neck, and he's practically fucking immobile looking when he's waddling down to, and they treat him like a Faberge egg. Nobody wants to fucking touch him hardly.
Starting point is 02:16:35 And again, all these Japanese guys have been in multiple car wrecks, it looks like, from Okote on down. The only one they had that actually looked like he had all function of all his body parts was our boy take a shit and where'd he go? To Japan. To Japan. That's where we were.
Starting point is 02:16:57 God damn it! Why do they have all the shitty Japanese wrestlers and they gave Japan back the one that was good? You know, if you really think about it, from like last year to this year, there's been nothing but time and opportunity to turn Takesh to one of the, the biggest stars in the company and they've blown it.
Starting point is 02:17:17 Maybe he's not into the grind. Or the booking. Or the booking. Maybe he's not into the booking. The grindy booking. All right. Well, the point is on this, the girls worked pretty much the whole thing, right, as they should, because you can't have, easy working with Stokely.
Starting point is 02:17:37 And that would kill, you can build up where when the manager finally gets his, but nevertheless, both girls went down and they're simultaneous tags. And you don't do that either. You either let the manager tag in when he's lulled into a false sense of security because the fucking opponent is down, but something goes awry. Or at the very least, if the heel is in such bad need that he has to tag the manager, the manager tags in first and fucks up something so that the other guy, but instead they just tag, here you go.
Starting point is 02:18:18 And Stokely comes in, and Ishii, no cells, it chops and everything, as he should. And Stokely took a couple bumps. And then Statlander saved Stokely and hits Ishi with a forearm and actually rocks him. Which is, that was cool for Statlander. Stadlander shoots him Ishii into Stokely who gives him a perfect spine buster and I'm like, now they've lost me.
Starting point is 02:18:52 God damn it. The manager did a spine buster? At least Ishii no sold it. Well, yes, but then that's a double problem because, no, here's the thing. The manager, the little bitty-weasley manager, did a perfect spine buster, which is totally he shouldn't have done.
Starting point is 02:19:14 He was just doing the bumps that he should have done, and then all of a sudden he's goddamn Arn Anderson. But secondly, he popped up and no-sold it, even though the bump he took looked exactly the same, if not better, than most of the goddamn people's spine-busters in his company. Yes, slowly, he did a good job with that. It looked good despite the ridiculous. So it was stupid on both parts.
Starting point is 02:19:39 sold one of the better-looking spine-busters given to him by the guy that shouldn't been able to pick him up. They said it was a tribute to Michael Jackson. I thought he was dressed like the new conquistador. I think it was a tribute to fucking Stonewall Jackson. He just moaned now. And then he was starting to beat up Eiji for a minute. And then he came back with a power bomb.
Starting point is 02:20:00 And then the girls started wrestling again. And then Eiji closed line Stokely 1, 2, 3. But anyway, it was... Do you think he put Talent's names on sides of dice and then like rolled the fucking dice to come up with these matches? Well, everyone in this match made sense
Starting point is 02:20:22 other than Ishii, again, I don't know what's happening on Collision or Rampage. Maybe there's been a big Ishii-E Stokely feud. I don't know what those promos have been. But everyone else in this match Stokely and Statlander have had issues with Willow. A handicap match would have made sense. but uh you she you know and that would have been good and that way statlander could have finally
Starting point is 02:20:43 got a little on stokely and you know but no he would have been power slamming her i guess no he was on her team he would have been power slamming willow um oh that's right well i don't know see throw on the dice you just proceed think about that so so far on a pre-show we've had what is that is that 20 wrestlers 20 wrestlers 20 wrestlers and managers so far. Well, hold on now. Hold on now. We don't have a match coming up, but we got to talk about this. Tony Kahn comes out arm and arm with Dr. Martha Hart. No, actually, it was Tony Shavani came out arm and arm with Tony Kahn, and then Tony Kahn welcomed everybody and introduced Dr. Martha Hart. Well, and Tony was, he was sounded like he was trying to talk and do the
Starting point is 02:21:37 Tarzan yell at the same time. he was like, I'm going to say this about that you know, he was like Freddie Mercury trying to project at Wimbly or whatever. Did you notice that even more so than normal he was
Starting point is 02:21:54 way up there? Not everyone can yell into a mic and, you know, Tony con, we see him at the press grums and we see him do interviews, we know the way he talks. When he screams, it's not even like, it almost sounds like a fake yell. Like he's trying to project his voice differently than in a way it would normally project a VL.
Starting point is 02:22:13 It doesn't work well, I don't think. So anyway, and this is the part where you had this on in the background as we were recording the first part of this show that never ends, ladies gentlemen. And he introduces Dr. Martha. We have to say those three things in order. She can never be Dr. Hart or Martha or Mrs. anything, right? All three. but she started getting booed and now I know why.
Starting point is 02:22:44 And she saved it at the end. But she said, I'm so happy to be here. I came from beautiful Canada and it's a boo. And then she said, Canada is good friends and neighbors with the USA. And then boo. I don't know what the.
Starting point is 02:23:04 But then she said, but we are also proud to be members of the British Commonwealth and then they're like, hey, okay. She should have fucked with them and kept doing it. But we're also next to Alaska. Boo. And we have a wonderful trade agreement with Mexico. Oh.
Starting point is 02:23:25 Actually, no, is anybody mad at Mexico in the world except us, a part of us? Is Canada mad at anyone ever? No, I don't think. I think they were, one time they got pissed off amongst themselves at Prince Edward Rhode Island, I think. Oh, really? Okay. But they managed to work that out.
Starting point is 02:23:43 Okay. But anyway, so the reason why that she was there, apparently, I think, I was trying to divulge, or not divulge this, but figure it out, divine this information, was to wish all the contenders that won the, Owen Hart, Cups, the very, the men and women, who she did not name, because I think she might have forgot,
Starting point is 02:24:18 she wishes them good luck tonight. But she, once that she did her geography lesson and started into the reason why she was there, did it seem to you that she kind of lost her train of thought and struggled to the finish line and got out of there? Not everyone is a public speaker, and I don't think Martha Hart,
Starting point is 02:24:38 Dr. Martha Hart is necessarily well-equipped. A lot of people can't speak to a room of 50,000 people. That's not easy. Yeah, I mean, it may have been one of those things. Yeah, I don't know, but it was very clunky, I thought. And you're back to calling him a room. It's a house. It's a whole house.
Starting point is 02:24:54 A house. A mansion even. The Wimbley Manor. Oh, ho. Lord Fogg. But then we got announced. or we got announced too. It was announced and we were privy to it
Starting point is 02:25:14 that forbidden door 2025 will take place in London on August 24 of 2025. So, but not, not, at least it was not divulged in Wembley Stadium. They didn't say where exactly it was going to be. So now they've given grants, slam to Australia and
Starting point is 02:25:40 Forbidden Door, which also has been in New York traditionally, right? Haven't they been there both times? No, not both times, but it's interesting. If you think about it, Forbidden Door, I think, has been in May. I think one year was in New York.
Starting point is 02:25:56 It was June last year. Was it June? Well, it was in New York one year. Was it in Toronto? The other year, I forget. But that's been in the spring. Well, basically, the two markets in North America that Ring of Honor would think about bringing in international talent. Go ahead.
Starting point is 02:26:14 And Grand Slam at Arthur Ash typically has been, what, September, October, in the fall. And now that's going to be in Australia at the beginning of the year. And Forbidden Doors getting pushed back a couple of months to bring it to London. Is there anything, when you're just moving pay-per-view events around like that, does it matter? Or is it matter more to the fans than any actual practical reason that would cause issues with buys or anything? It complicated possibly. I think with these fans,
Starting point is 02:26:46 I think it's the pay-per-view and what's on it, who's on it, and, you know, just the overall general malaise or lack thereof of whether the company is, you know, interesting or not. But for the WWF in the day and the WWE now, it would hurt them in terms of their marketing planning and their arena planning and their ancillary,
Starting point is 02:27:11 are we going to need a convention hall in this town in June of a year and a half from now because it's going to be this certain pay-per-view or that would hurt that company because of so much of their marketing is based around the event. You know, not any of these things particularly are an event just because of the name of their pay-per-view they it's their fan base that's going to buy those knows who's going to be on them
Starting point is 02:27:45 and what's going on regardless of what the name of the pay-per-view is especially when one's all in, one's all out one's world's end you know the forbidden door can be open anytime you want it to be for that audience and it just screws up TV
Starting point is 02:28:06 in a different season. It is interesting though, because it has screwed up TV in the season typically the spring the last few years if you move it back two months and then let's say late June, July, August is all AEW, New Japan, CMLL, is it better to screw up your TV in the summer months
Starting point is 02:28:25 or in the spring months? Well, again, sometimes they don't fit the rules of thumb because their ratings this spring were worse than their ratings last summer, weren't they? So they're kind of, if they're continuing to trend ever so precipitously slightly downward,
Starting point is 02:28:47 then by that point, is it going to make a difference about the season? Or will they have stabilized by then? Well, I don't know if there'll be any stabilization, but we shall see. Well, speaking of stables, somebody need to clean the shit out. So here came. still in the pre-show ladies and gentlemen I hate to say about some of the people in here but what do you follow
Starting point is 02:29:13 a 16-man tag team match and a mixed tag team match with on a pre-show before you start your main show a 10-man tag team match play you and this was Matt Tavenan Mike Bennett
Starting point is 02:29:31 Tia Leone Bishop Khan and Brian Cage against Dustin Rhodes, Sammy Guevara, the Von Erick boys, Shepoopee, and their manager, Kevin Von Erick. And I don't know that as much as
Starting point is 02:29:57 as you have to give all the respect to the world to Kevin Von Erick as a wrestling legend. And his boys, and I've worked with him in MLW, they're just as fine as they can be. but did you need to buy these three guys plane tickets to be in a dark match when they've barely started with the company and haven't even been on fucking Wednesday night television yet? I think Tony likes creating moments and he got the moment of Kevin Van Erich doing the Iron
Starting point is 02:30:27 Claw at Wembley Stadium. Okay, did you need to fly over Tia Leone and Bishop Kahn? Again, this is the pre-show and this is the second multi-person match. There have been 30 people. in 30 legal participants plus managers and seconds in three matches on the fucking free show I did and as they had a jump start and did a big 10 way on the floor and as you mentioned the Von Erick's team won and then Kevin got in and put the claw and taven and all the baby faces got claws on all the heels but now think about this
Starting point is 02:31:10 there was one thing wrong. What was wrong, Brian? What was wrong with what? What was wrong with all the baby faces, getting the claws on all the heels led by Kevin? None of them have ever done the claw before? No. The heels didn't have a manager.
Starting point is 02:31:30 So therefore, they were one-off when Kevin clawed Taven then meant now the heels were outnumbered by the baby faces, so one heel outnumbered. I don't know which one it was. Got a fucking head claw and a stomach claw on him at the same time from two guys. Oh, what the... It's in England.
Starting point is 02:31:53 It's not fucking Dallas. Did you see Kevin Von Erick's flip-flops tucked into the back of his pants? Yes, yes. He wore him out on the entranceway, but coming down the ramp, he kicked him off and stuck him in his fucking pocket so he could be barefoot. But it's... I mean, I'm not wishing any of the Vonnegut. Eric's ill, and the rest of these guys were superfluous to this fucking show, but technically the Von Erics were too in this instance.
Starting point is 02:32:21 I would like to ask the cult of Cornett audience out there. Somebody, old Thurston Howe from WrestleMania, somebody good with numbers and mathematics, you may need to use a calculator for this, because I want somebody to figure out how many people that you can classify as talents on the show were on the show. show. Wrestlers, managers, seconds, valets,
Starting point is 02:32:48 referees, just people in it, not even announcers and agents and security, just the people in the ring
Starting point is 02:32:56 or in the periphery of the ring, they had to get to a hundred easily, didn't they? How many family
Starting point is 02:33:03 members you think Tony paid the fly over? Well, everybody's family was there. It was,
Starting point is 02:33:09 and I, I, I, I mean, it's like, It's like AWW's annual paid vacation. You just have to work a major stadium show. Well, and now some people, you know, they were from England,
Starting point is 02:33:21 so their families who lived there and other, and you can see Danielson because that was part of the story. But there was a lot of, and then they're slapping their own mother, their mother slappers. We'll get there. But anyway, so we had the, what was it, It's a 16 man, and we had the 10 man. Yes.
Starting point is 02:33:45 And the mix tag. And now... The woman of man. The woman, there was a person and a woman on each team. However you want to phrase it. I didn't want to phrase it like that. Well, you did before. But not this time.
Starting point is 02:34:02 I did then. You've learned your lesson, eh? I did then. I don't now. All right. Anyway, I'm thinking, here, then here comes Soraya. And I'm okay, we're in England, the Knight family. She comes out with her entire family or seven or eight of them.
Starting point is 02:34:20 They started appearing. There were more every time you looked. And old Harley, don't call me Dave Cameron was with her. But I'm thinking, okay, we're in England. This is the former page. This is the Knight family. Certainly they're going to be well received. And she got a smattering of applause, and then Harley did a heel promo,
Starting point is 02:34:47 and in Soraya did a heel promo. And I'm thinking, why are they turning the people on Soraya, who at one point was a big acquisition, remember them days? On the pre-show in her hometown. Why? Why, I say, answer me. I don't know exactly. seemingly every member of her family and girlfriends too, I'm guessing, or wives or whatever.
Starting point is 02:35:17 I mean, everyone was out there. I've never seen an entourage like this. It was like the heart family on steroids. Or booze. Or something. Yeah. And so she's doing the heel promo. Last year, I won the title here.
Starting point is 02:35:31 This year, I'm not even on the show. Well, you're out there in the ring, so technically you're on the show. But I know what we mean. And I'm thinking, is this Mercedes? is future, the fanfare, the big signing, the game changer, and now, yeah, send her out on a pre-show. You know what the difference is, though? Mercedes can control her creative more than Soraya ever did.
Starting point is 02:35:55 Not to say that her creative would have been any different, but Mercedes at least has control. She can get more of it. It might not be better, but she can have more of it. Yeah. And then they played the music and out came after almost. a year, right? Out came Jamie Hater, dressed somehow as a female Ronald McDonald. I don't know what, but they brought Jamie Hater back on the pre-show? And she beat up all the family,
Starting point is 02:36:30 female and male. Oh, she threw one guy into the steps. It was good. I bet it didn't feel good. and then Soraya's mother hit her from behind and Jamie turned around and snatched her and then they and she was going to nail the mother Saraya came and hit Jamie hate her from behind but Jamie didn't sell it because she just leveled Soraya's mother
Starting point is 02:36:55 and then turned around and did the big drawback why I ought to and Soraya rolled out but and then finally Jamie clotheslined Harley and they popped but why in the pre-show just because you're just going to do it?
Starting point is 02:37:18 Why not on national TV with a big I don't, a big some kind of fanfare otherwise than you just attacked the woman who's bitching that she was in a title match last year and this year she's not even on the show and you attacked her on the pre-show So how important does that make you? And by the way, it's the opposite with Jamie hit her.
Starting point is 02:37:43 She wasn't on the show at all last year. She was hurt. And that was going to be her big thing. You know, she's from England. She would have been on the Wembley show. She wasn't. Then we recently heard that her and Britt Baker aren't going to be working together because of personal issues.
Starting point is 02:37:57 Oh, I thought all the personal issues stopped when they got the cancer out of the patient. Well, he wasn't in the women's locker. Well, maybe he was, actually. I don't know. But, you know, they said he was giving them all gift cards. So maybe he was aware of this, I don't know. But my point before you... Before I interrupted you was it was going to be her moment last year.
Starting point is 02:38:15 It should have been. And now she's back and, you know, for all the problems with the AEW women's division, and Saraya, by and large, has not been a net positive. And Mercedes-Mone's stuff is just not connecting. It's a net not. And I think more people are noticing deficiencies with Britt Baker. I mean, just there's a lot of things that are wrong. if you want to look for positives,
Starting point is 02:38:39 you know, there are various things, Anna Jay over in Japan right now, and Jamie Hater returning. Jamie Hater is WWE quality. And I know some AEW fans may get upset by that kind of comment, but Jamie Hader is really good. She has to be used well,
Starting point is 02:38:54 she has to be booked well, she has to be programmed well, but this is a big positive for AEW having her. Now bringing her back on the pre-show, I don't know, that's not going to cause someone to buy the pay-per-view, I wouldn't think, right? I mean, that's not really a...
Starting point is 02:39:07 Well, if it wanted to buy it to see Jamie Hayter, you just saw her. You just saw her. You don't have to pay. So any thoughts on any of this? No. What did you think of Brian Cage and Sammy Gavar are both being dressed like Wolverine?
Starting point is 02:39:23 Oh, I skip as much as that as possible. They had the same exact colors, the same exact... Like, they were both dressed like Wolverine. Well, they're all dressing up as later on the Buccaroos. were Sergeant Pepper. Right, but it wasn't Sergeant Pepper against Sergeant Pepper. There were Wolverines on different teams. I see your point, but they should have
Starting point is 02:39:42 compared notes, but you're competing Wolverines. You know what? If they'd added that to the fucking match, it would have probably been more interesting. What, actual Wolverines? Actual Wolverines, one on each side. But they've got to be tagged in legally. What do you think of Jamie Hayter returning, though? Well, again, you know, it would have been nice if it was a big
Starting point is 02:40:04 important thing that had been dramatically foreshadowed and built up instead of her coming out on the pre-show and beating up a bunch of family members of someone and bleh I mean they liked it because she was local but it wasn't like it set to world on fire
Starting point is 02:40:20 you know for all the like I said before all the bad things in AW women's division there's Anna J, there's Jamie Hater there's Willow Nightingale, there's Chris Statlander you know I want to put someone like Julia Harder or Sky Blue as far as potential
Starting point is 02:40:35 as to be on the list, but, you know... Where did they go? They got hurt. That's the issue. How many of these women just constantly get hurt versus the ones who... I mean, that's a wrestling wide problem. It's not just about the women,
Starting point is 02:40:45 but it happens to them a lot. And, uh, but there are some promising things with the AEW Women's Division right now. Promises, promises. Mina Shirakawa. Oh, come on. Let's go. What in the world are you...
Starting point is 02:40:59 Is that an invite? You're starting to watch the women's division. over there for reasons other than their technical prowess and expertise. Real quick, before we move on, I think she was on one of their shows this past week, so I had it on in the background. It must have been collision because it would definitely, or maybe it was Rampage, I don't even know. But I wanted to watch it to see, like, okay, let me really watch her, like, work with whoever it was. I don't even remember who the opponent was, because I turned it off after this. She came out on the stage, and, you know, she looks good,
Starting point is 02:41:27 a very attractive woman. She starts doing a dance. It didn't end. It was like, it was just a routine she was doing on the stage. And I was like, what the fuck? What is the? And then I started thinking, like, when did wrestling become, okay, what is your stage dance going to be? But I turned the channel. I didn't see the match. Well, but at least you saw the dance.
Starting point is 02:41:47 Some of it. It chased me off. Well, speaking of chasing people off, they decided to do some type of ploy, a pay-per-view ploy or whatever, where they had the entrances for the first pay-per-view match on the pre-show.
Starting point is 02:42:07 So because there were four... I'm trying to figure out how to say this. There were four three-man teams all vying for the six-man tag team title. Did I get it out correctly? Other than the titles being the Trio's championship, yes. Well, but I want to sound like grown-up adults. but they started the entrances on the pre-show.
Starting point is 02:42:35 Did you get the minute of black screen? No, because I was zipping through those entrances and when I saw that the fucking pay-per-view was actually popping up because that went for a while. So, but I don't know that mine was, I think I have a, we've established I had a different provider than you.
Starting point is 02:42:54 So I think mine was a little snappier all the way around. They came up and they came down. They didn't, they didn't give me violence. drag rads, they didn't in and date me with stand-up comic routines. They just got into the thing and out of the thing. See, you can still, you can hear my fingers snapping out, right? I can.
Starting point is 02:43:18 Why was it a London ladder match for the six-man trio's title? Because they weren't in London. Then technically, all it would have been a London coffin match and a London FTW title match. And did you notice that apparently in London the ladders are shorter? There were a few different size.
Starting point is 02:43:42 At one point, someone was on one of the big ladders and then the person next one was on the smallest ladder I've ever seen in a wrestling ring. And then they brought out a giant one that was so fucking tall. When they tried to set it up, it almost knocked the belts down. But they were a different construct over there, as were
Starting point is 02:44:01 the tables. We'll we'll get to that but again you know the House of Bleck versus Juice Robinson and the guns
Starting point is 02:44:12 against Claudio and Pack and useless against Cage and Dino Dush and Nick Plain and Nick Plain's mom is out there there's a three six nine
Starting point is 02:44:25 twelve lucky 13 people there so that brings our show total as the paper review begins to like what almost 45 and now they've got a ladder match where there are 12 people involved all of them in the ring at the same time with the ladders and no disqualification and what would you even remember about this to discuss afterwards it's just endless it's just but did you notice the tables are different in the UK as well?
Starting point is 02:45:03 Yeah, I did. Different color and different texture, I guess. Well, a different material. And I don't know, oh, God, it's not for mica. That stuff is hard, like countertop stuff. But not balsa would either. But the point is, these tables, every time that they would fucking land on one, it would break.
Starting point is 02:45:27 did you see clean across, just clean. There's some kind of, I don't know, particle board or whatever, but they don't break your fall nearly as well as their American counterparts. Every, I mean, even one time, they broke like just snapped off the last foot of the thing. Whereas, remember, it always breaks in the middle or elsewise, you ain't going to break. This thing would just break wherever the fucking weight landed.
Starting point is 02:45:54 And I'm thinking, holy shit. And I mean, just it's ridiculous that you can't keep track of what the fuck's going on. Did you see, though, the one thing I do remember, juice crotching himself off the ladder, the giant ladder, off the ladder onto the top rope. Yes, I saw that, yeah. What the, that. There's a way that you can do that where you don't neuter yourself. instantly, but I don't know from that height and that velocity that he necessarily snagged
Starting point is 02:46:34 out all the way. That had to be uncomfortable. But finally, Pac-1, yay! He's the home country guy, but now he, Claudio and useless are the... Where's the plumber? I don't know. This is kind of like when Landau replaced Hans Solo, packed now with the Bec. Is he a member of the B.C.? I mean, he was out there celebrating with Danielson, too, at the end. Well, yeah, well, he's official now because they've got the belts. And I think it's more like when Joe Derrita stepped in. We've made more references to replacement stooges in the last several weeks than any wrestling podcast ever. Well, and some more stooges still need replaced. But this was 20 minutes plus the entrances, by the way. What did you think of the ending with House of Black raising the hands
Starting point is 02:47:26 of a pack and kind of saluting him and leaving? Well, you never know what the fuck they're doing anyway, and where have they even been? Have they been exiled permanently to Saturday nights? For the most part, I think. That's why nobody knows where they are. I mean, I guess we'll show him that because aren't they from similar countries over there somewhere, some of them? I think Malachi's Dutch, maybe. No, he looks nothing like that. I think Brody King's from the States and Buddy Murphy's from Australia.
Starting point is 02:48:03 Well, yeah, we'll see. There are kindred spirits over there as part of the, well, is Australia under British rule? No. Have they been in the past? I think that's where the British used to send their prisoners? Well, see. In a distant, distant past?
Starting point is 02:48:21 Yeah, and France gave us Louisiana as a penal colony. And that's how the West was won. Well, speaking of penile colonies, it was time for the women's title match. Tony Storm wrestled Maria May. Tony Storm wrestled Luther. Tony Storm wrestled Tony Storm had Luther with her. And apparently the woman that, Maria May
Starting point is 02:48:49 slapped at ringside was her own mother. Do we have a causal effect on that? How dare she slapped her own mother? Has that ever happened in wrestling history before? I don't think so. That big Cora and Debbie Combs feud, that never happened? Well, she was never Cora. It was Lady Satan.
Starting point is 02:49:16 That's right. Actually, I was just joking about them being family and wrestling. to think they actually were working together. You're right. Yes, no. Oh, they worked together a hundred million times, but never as, as, but Cora was never Cora. But yeah, Maria's got a problem with mom. Tony Storm gave Maria a pile driver on the steel stairs and the match continued on. But at least Maria did get juice. So after we've seen 30-something competitors and, or no, I'm sorry, 40-something competitors in the first four matches. Then the second match on the pay-per-view is the girls' match
Starting point is 02:49:56 and they've got blood already. So it's promising from here. But minutes after Maria, and yes, I'm not critiquing this match seriously because how can you? But minutes after Maria was pile driven on the steel stairs, she was doing missile drop kicks off the top rope.
Starting point is 02:50:19 And finally, for the finish, they did a dramatic scene, I think taken from a Tennessee Williams play, where Tony was conflicted as to whether or not that she should hit Maria with the bloody high-heel shoe, and finally she decided she couldn't bring herself to do it and threw it down. So Maria beat her with two knee lifts and a pile driver. One, two, three. And I wrote this shit is so fake. What'd you think? You know, there have to be matches to kind of skip.
Starting point is 02:51:00 And I didn't skip this thing entirely, but I didn't pay too close attention to it. I've appreciated Tony Storm stuff in the ring in the past, but I just hate this gimmick so much, and it's just so over the top for me. Mariah May, new champion, she's been impressive. You know, of all the women they've brought in, like, she's just, she's gotten the best push from the jump. From the what? From the jump, from the start.
Starting point is 02:51:26 And now she's the woman. I thought you said the push from the junk. I'm like, you know, wait a minute, what kind of push and pull thing if we got going on here? What arm of the service was your uncle in? I know. What I'm saying is, what army was he?
Starting point is 02:51:40 Mariah May has a lot. Who sad was he on? Mariah May has a lot of talent. You just got to hope this feud is over. Mina Shirakawa, watching from the crowd, looked very concerned. and uh on to the next match well you know it was at this point brian where i thought my god it's it's actually eastern time in the in the middle of the day when this is going on but
Starting point is 02:52:04 golly darn gee whiz i need to take a nap did you feel the same way about taking a nap in the middle of this process it was kind of during this match where because i was watching that pre-show so it was during this match where it really hit me yes yes and and folks i'll take you you want, when you need to take a nap, now we're not even talking about a good night sleep here, we're just talking about a restful nap, a power nap, some people take it, or if your kids take it, it's a kid nap, whatever, just a short nap, a cat nap? Why don't they call it a dog nap? Dog sleep all the time. You need a Helix mattress. Now, I'm suggesting right now that the business owner is in the sound of my voice, they should probably check into getting all of their employees at least a
Starting point is 02:52:49 small individual helix mattress for their work spaces, they're in the office. Can you imagine that, Brian, you've got a cubicle, you got a chair, a smaller desk to make room for the helix mattress, a chair, a smaller desk, a little file cabinet, and then a helix mattress right there on the floor. You can literally fall out of the chair and take a power nap on your 15-minute coffee break. You know, famously, and there are photos of it, John Lennon, worked for you. bed. He would sit there and just have papers and newspapers and, you know, lyrics all around him, his guitar, and he would work from bed, not just the famous bed in. Imagine if he had a Helix sleep mattress and anyone you're talking about here, you don't need even a desk. You can
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Starting point is 02:54:12 they got all the different kinds of pressure mattresses. Some of them will, well, they'll just fold up around you like a mother, embrace and potentially you'll call the jaws of life to get out. But on the positive side, they can be delivered right to your door as soon as you go to Helixleep.com slash JCE and fill out the aforementioned quiz. Boom, they bring it to your door, you unbox it, and you're sleeping like a baby. Waking up every hour, pissing to bed and crying. Brian, you know this, you got...
Starting point is 02:54:51 That's right, crying, Brian. Well, you got all your children. Well, you quit crying when you quit pissing the bed. That was last summer, wasn't it? Hey, you said you weren't going to say anything. What the fuck? Well, I'm sorry, I forgot. But you have a helix mattress for yourself and your beloved better half,
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Starting point is 02:57:02 Helix Sleep. But I guess we have to wake up and go back now. You should finish the tagline. Helix Sleep, no squirrel shit. Slash. It's going to catch on. So back to All In, Fazi started playing. What the, and is this one of their songs?
Starting point is 02:57:24 Was this a cover? Was it an original composition? Was he singing? Was it only a nightmare? Did he have acid reflux and was crying for help? What was going on here with Jericho? Why? He's a heel now, and he's the learning tree,
Starting point is 02:57:44 the most uncool non-rock star-ish kind of persona you could have, but he couldn't resist playing rock star in front of a big crowd with his band. Is this what we're led to believe? And he did exactly what Sebastian Bach always accused him of. He sang over his backing track when he came out there. And, you know, his band, obviously, it's a big day for them to be able to play Wembley. They were very excited. That one guitar player is just, he's ready for the marathon.
Starting point is 02:58:13 He's just all over the place. Everybody in the band looks like they ought to be on probation. But Judas was like the greatest example of Chris Jericho figuring out how to make a song that could almost be an anthem that people feel the urge to sing along to. Whatever he was singing here, whatever this was.
Starting point is 02:58:31 If it was indeed music, I don't know, was atrocious. And again, he's a heel. And he's coming out there with his wacky little heel personality singing whatever the hell that was. But in the meantime, yes, here's some potential, what was it, light metal type of rock, type of growling thing. That one guy had the adamant fucking paint across his nose. Yeah, what was it?
Starting point is 02:58:57 I thought maybe it was a surfer and he went too far. Why did they put the fucking shit on their face, right? Keep the sun at bay. He's a new, new romantic. Hey, now, don't say anything about my old friends, the romantics. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that. You didn't know the romantics.
Starting point is 02:59:14 They were big fans of me and the midnight and Big Bubba. And talking in your sleep, yeah. Yes. Well, they weren't around when I was talking in my sleep. They didn't write that song about me. But nevertheless, what they did write was that's what I like about you, is what they wrote about me. See, all the things that they liked about me.
Starting point is 02:59:36 Brought it, brought it to their mind. Including. All right. Anywho. And then after Jericho emoted to the ring, then here came hook, and this time he didn't have the mummy wrapping the hat on. He had eye tape. It looked a little more like some kind of eye patch going on there.
Starting point is 03:00:03 This was for the FTW title, and that means that there's no rules, no disqualification, anything goes lazy booking. But here's what they did, and then here's why I don't like it. At the bell, all three of the heels, including Giant Bill, Large William, jump hook, and it's legal because anything goes, but they just, they get it. Sloppy heat on him. Multiple splashes in the corner, the code breaker, you know, cover. Aubrey, you know, is the reference.
Starting point is 03:00:46 just standing watching this. And a hook will kick out or whatever, but every time the heels are staying in the ring like it's a handicap match. So then Hook fights back and they have to figure out it. He's always got a
Starting point is 03:01:02 kind of duck and top rope bill and let his momentum take him out because he's a giant. And they beat Brian Keith like a rented mule every week. But then when he fights back against Jericho they can just get in and do whatever the fuck they want at any time
Starting point is 03:01:23 so why don't when they get dumped out of the ring why don't they just come back in and fucking continue beating on him with a baseball bat or something you see where I'm going with this yeah it just looked ridiculous and he's so small anyway well baseball bat or a cricket bat
Starting point is 03:01:39 or a cricket bat but well because then Jericho pulls out a Kendo stick acoustic and a bag of cricket balls. But then hook suplexes him so that hook can get the cricket bat and hit all three of the heels and then start chucking the balls at Jericho. And I know he was trying to throw him low so he wouldn't throw him directly into the goddamn crowd and, you know, bean somebody.
Starting point is 03:02:10 But when you throw them low and they bounce off the fucking ring, then they're going up out into the crowd. Anyway, that's what Brian Keith comes in and knocks Hook out with a fucking trash can lid. Just because he gets... You know, Hook's tough. He had to fight opponents of three different heights.
Starting point is 03:02:32 Yes, short, medium, and tall. And then Jericho gets the walls and Hook gets out of it and gets the walls and then Bill just comes in and makes a save. And then they do the... more on the floor and they pull out the table and the barbed wire board and the garbage can
Starting point is 03:02:52 but then a hook suplex is Jericho and pulls off the eye patch and points to his eye which is unmarked and screams, I can see then why you've been fighting these three motherfuckers for ten minutes
Starting point is 03:03:08 with one fucking eye covered up? What benefit did this do? What the fuck? What sense does this make? I will say, I mean, not only did I think this was the worst match on the show, but I heard from more actual talent that they thought this was the worst thing on the show by far too. Did you say the people on Twitter put up pictures of the line outside the men's room during this match? Yeah, well, that was the other thing.
Starting point is 03:03:38 And I thought it was a unique thing at first, because I've never really seen feedback like that to anything where people are saying, hey, the lines are really long. But I saw Alan Blackstock tweeted out, and then a few of the listeners got in touch with us and said the same thing. And then I saw other people just hitting up other people saying it.
Starting point is 03:03:53 The lines for the bathroom and for drinks were unbearable during a Jericho match. And then it may have been Al-Blackstock. I forget who said it. They said, you can get a drink in two seconds during that opening match. And then as soon as that match ended, everyone that heard Jericho's music,
Starting point is 03:04:10 they went to go take a piss because he was going to do the same thing in the ring. They went to go take a piss. They went to go have a drink because he was going to do the same thing after he got out of the ring. But no, this was not good. Hook throwing the balls at Jericho was embarrassing. He was two feet in front of the guy.
Starting point is 03:04:27 He couldn't hit him. And then he finally did hit him in the hip, I think, once. Well, to be honest, Jericho kept turning sideways covering up his balls. If you're throwing something at someone and you're within like five feet of them, why are you aiming at their feet? Because they had told him specifically. Yeah, so why do it? It's stupid. Yeah.
Starting point is 03:04:48 And so then basically somehow Jericho swung the cue stick but hooked ducked and Jericho hit Large William and he took an exaggerated fall through the barbed wire board on the table outside and then Brian Keith hit hook
Starting point is 03:05:09 with Martha Hart's belt buckle it makes a reappearance. I get Martha brings it with her, I guess. and Jericho covered him and got a two count. And then Hook got the red rum on Jericho. And Taz finally saved this thing at the end. He got up and got it on Brian Keith and the place exploded because it's Taz doing something. And Jericho tapped out and Hook won.
Starting point is 03:05:38 I knew they had to do something with Taz. They had to get him involved because that's the payoff to end this whole thing. But this was really bad. I mean, the feud sucked, but this match was an all-time. in terms of awfulness. But think about that, what, I won't belabor it. I'll ask it one more time and we'll move along.
Starting point is 03:05:58 What benefit did it give, how did he sucker Jericho into anything by having his eye covered up for the first 10 minutes of the match? How did it benefit him? How did it work against Chris Jericho? How was that big reveal, a big turning point?
Starting point is 03:06:17 And for what, no, then why do why do that and why is his i okay if jericho really did fucking burn him because i i can we move on we certainly can because it was 20 years ago today that i said those fucking two young bucks suck and see they still do years later here came the triple threat tag team title match which of course means no disqualification and the buckaroos came out dressed like Sergeant Pepper and again why if your heels
Starting point is 03:07:06 why are you dressing the movie version well yeah they look more like Peter Frampton but why are you like Maurice Gibb yes actually yeah there you go but why dress like the beloved British icon John Lennon if you're the heels but nevertheless they've got a wardrobe budget now
Starting point is 03:07:31 I'm sure all these outfits that everybody's wearing in this company I bet you they're churning these out right and left for free or at least the talent pays nothing um FTR versus the Hardley Boys versus the Acclaimed
Starting point is 03:07:49 as you mentioned all also Caster's rap. I heard something about a penis, but you couldn't really make it out, could you? I heard something about a penis. Something about a penis.
Starting point is 03:08:04 Did someone say penis? Well, that's the one word that was enunciated to my ears correctly. And this, so now, if you're keeping track, I was trying to jot it down. The first seven matches have had 52 legal participants. And I was conflicted again.
Starting point is 03:08:30 It would be a relief after what we've seen so far to watch two professionals like FTR, but it's matter and anti-matter because the buccaroos cancel them out and the three-way is the kiss of death about having a good match. So I basically got to the meat of the matter of this thing. I'm sure they did a wonderful smattering of stupid bumps and or buckaroo's standby spots to get to that point, didn't they?
Starting point is 03:09:01 That's the issue. FTR can mold a match. They acclaimed or mold the bowl. The bucks work buck stuff. They do their style. They do their match. It's their referee. And, you know, that's the problem here.
Starting point is 03:09:16 And I didn't enjoy it because of that. Well, finally, speaking of about it. not enjoying anything. Nikki hit Dax with the title belt and Maddie made the cover, but Dax kicked out. So then they just gave him the shitty double knee
Starting point is 03:09:32 lift and beat him flat. So he couldn't even have the out of being fucked because he got hit with a title belt. He can kick out of that, but then they just beat him flat with their finish. And the Buccaroos beat FTR. What a surprise. What a shocking development.
Starting point is 03:09:48 Wouldn't you know who won the pony? And... The pony's dead. The pony is dead. Burry the pony out under the old persimmon tree. On the streets of London.
Starting point is 03:10:05 And then two guys who I thought were fans that had evaded security got in the ring. One of them was bald. One of them had straggly hair. And apparently that's J.D. Drake and Zach Gibson. they were dressed like they just came in from changing their oil and they had a stare down with the buckaroos
Starting point is 03:10:28 and then they turned around and beat up FTR the bucks walked off the bums were staring at them FTR was laying there selling so they again that the only combination in their tag team division that can make any of the rest of them bearable and they bring them over there, beat them, and then beat them up and leave them land. Thank you for coming, Dax and Cash. You know, FTR's booking and various things have caused them to lose a lot of their luster, but it can never take away from how talented they are in the ring. And like I said before, the acclaimed are moldable, and the new aggressive version of them, if they're going to call this, that, or that, this, whatever I'm trying to say here,
Starting point is 03:11:17 if you're going to... This, that and the other thing... Yeah, I mean, if this is... I mean, it's a harder edge than I used to have. You know, that's progress, but this tagging division is a fucking mess. And the grizzled young veterans... You know, I think they might better take young out of that at this point, the way they look, but go ahead.
Starting point is 03:11:33 Well, they got a nice reaction, all things considered, but... They're from there. Well, one of two things happens. Either somehow they're going to get booked really well and help change things for the better, or it's going to be another of these teams or these wrestlers that come off NXT that didn't do anything there that are just going to make everything feel a notch below. I don't know. You know, maybe I have to be a little more, give them some time and let them do something, but I remember watching them at NXT and not really digging it. If that's the way that...
Starting point is 03:12:03 And part of it's the name. It's an awful name for a thing. Well, yeah, it's ridiculous. And probably, well, they won't use it since they were in NXT with it, weren't they? Or was that before there? Well, they called them, I think they called them that on the pay-per-view, actually. Well, and they were that before whatever the fight. The point is, drop the fucking name immediately, actually, and while you're at it, try to peel your fucking both of your faces off and drop them too. And inhabit someone else's body and goddamn get a fucking designer
Starting point is 03:12:34 because everybody else around here is dressing up for these things. That's the problem, is it look like two guys got in the ring, two guys. I don't have a lot of hope. I know they can't control... a lot of their creative in terms of Tony's whims of fancy or whatever. But if they thought we are debuting in a new company in Wembley Stadium in front of 50,000 people on pay-per-view, and this is the way we ought to look when we get in a ring? What the fuck?
Starting point is 03:13:08 Anyway, that's just me. Maybe they just need to now be the grizzled veterans. How old are they? How old are J.D. Rockefeller and fucking Finn Drake or whatever his name is? Who are they? I am looking at them up right now. J.D. Drake and Zach Gibson.
Starting point is 03:13:29 The Grizzle Young Veterans also shortened to G.Y.V. Oh, good Lord. Are an English professional wrestling tag team consisting of... That sounds like a doctor that would examine your fallopian tubes. I gotta go see my GYV. James Drake and Zach Gibson. Let's click on them and see their ages. James Drake?
Starting point is 03:13:50 I thought it was J.D. Drake. Well, it says here, James Drake, 31 years old from Blackpool. And Zach Gibson, 34 years old from Liverpool. Hmm. Apparently they've led hard lives. They've got all the pools covered. Blackpool and Liverpool. Well, pretty soon you're going to be in the jobless pool. All right, so anyway, now it's time for what we've all been waiting for, ladies and gentlemen,
Starting point is 03:14:23 the casino gauntlet match for a world title shot. So now what, hold on, what was my statistic on the previous page, 52 participants in the first seven matches. Now they announce a match that can have up to 21 men entering at completely random intervals. That would bring us up to seven intervals. 73 participants in the first eight matches, but they didn't get that far.
Starting point is 03:14:52 I don't want to spoil anything, but... Can I say two things? Two things. One, this explains the questions we had a few weeks ago about why Orange Cassidy wanted to win a three-way match to be the first person in the match because you could win the match at any point. But what it doesn't explain was,
Starting point is 03:15:13 if Orange Cassidy had won the match right away, Does that mean no Zach Saber Jr. or Ricketing on the show? Where there are just surprises in the back waiting to come out that, oh, fuck, the match is over, I guess. Yeah. That was my Wembley moment. I won't be out there. How'd he explain that?
Starting point is 03:15:27 Yeah, that fucking son of a bitch, he won the thing right away. It doesn't make any sense. It's not even, at least with the Royal Rumble, there is some structure to some type of stipulation that you can relate and follow, and this was random entrance times. They're just going to put down the five second clock and boom whenever the spot comes up. And it's just, and they had to have,
Starting point is 03:16:01 it's come to this, it's come to this for our friend, O'Codey, that, you know, he signed for however much money Tony Kahn is alleged to be paying him or really paying him or whatever, it's a lot of money, and he can barely move, and he's contributed
Starting point is 03:16:21 nothing, and now he's opening up a 21-man casino gauntlet match that he's not going to win wrestling against the company mascot. That's a pretty fucking precipitous fall, is it not?
Starting point is 03:16:40 The thing is, I don't think they see this match internally as being a step down from, like, a main event singles match or anything, at least Tony. I think Tony sees this as being one of the big attractions. And I have to say, I enjoyed all in this year more than I did last year,
Starting point is 03:16:57 and part of it was just because of the shit show aspect. And this match, it was a mess, but it was entertaining because of, you don't know who was going to come out next. Like the Royal Rumble's entertaining. I've seen a Royal Rumble with awful wrestlers, and I enjoyed the fuck out of it. So I enjoyed this for what it was,
Starting point is 03:17:16 and it was certainly something. well it was for the kind of oh shit i've screwed up my own line for the for the kind of people who like that kind of thing that's kind of thing those people like so number three was nigel mcginnis big ovation he looks great he hadn't been in the ring in what 10 years or more i don't know how long it's been he's obviously a home country favorite and he does a face off with oh cody and I'm thinking, here we go, and they started trading fake forearms that didn't touch each other. And then, to be honest for the next, what, two minutes or whatever it was, Nigel looked better than O'Cody did.
Starting point is 03:18:09 I mean, yes, he hadn't been in a ring in a while. He wasn't the Nigel of old, but he did a couple of his trademark things, did the handstand on the turnbuckle and etc. But again, you can't even say of the two guys working in the ring, he was the one that was the more impressive. And he's been retired for 10 fucking years. Did I miss something? No.
Starting point is 03:18:38 And, you know, I agree with you. He came right in, Nigel, and he did those forearms. With wrestlers who were out there every week, it's looking awful. because everyone's doing it in every match and no one lays it in. And you don't want everyone in every match laying it in. Everyone shouldn't be doing it. Don't do it constantly in every match is what we're saying. And you also shouldn't enter the ring.
Starting point is 03:18:58 And again, I know he hasn't worked in a while. And obviously, I'm assuming you don't want to work with him the same way. I don't know. I don't want to assume anything, actually. But to come right in the ring and start with weak-looking stuff is just... That's why I was kind of like, oh, because you had the anticipat. And then he did some good-looking stuff. But, so why lead with the, if you go to a restaurant, your appetizer has fucking mold growing on it?
Starting point is 03:19:24 You know, you might not savor the main course as much as you normally would. Anyway, then came Kyle O'Reilly, then came Q-Tip Saber Jr., then came Roderick Strong, and then came Mark Briscoe. And I'll pay attention for a minute. And he made a big comeback on Roddy and O'Cody and did a big dive and then just stood there on the floor while two other guys. They were Saber and O'Reilly, started doing shit in the ring again. So everybody just comes in and gets a little moment, and then they just stand around at this point. And then hangnail page.
Starting point is 03:20:06 And then Jeff Jarrett. And gee, the best punches of... the entire show were when Jeff Jared at 53 or whatever he is these days got in the ring and had a face off at a little fight with hangnail Paige and made a comeback on everybody and then Paige turned around and power bomb Jeff over the top rope onto six guys that could catch him and then grabbed Karen, who looked great by the way,
Starting point is 03:20:40 but suddenly music plays and so he lets go with Karen because that's the rule I guess I don't know Were you surprised that he grabbed Karen by the throat? Well no they're trying to get Get him You know he's a heel
Starting point is 03:20:55 With an edgy personality And he's antisocial So no I wasn't surprised But I was Again If you're going to take a bite You got to chew
Starting point is 03:21:07 And why grab her If he's going to let her go when somebody's music plays, that's not even within sight, much less 50 feet of stopping him from just doing whatever he was going to do. And it's not like the person was running down to the ring or anything. No, because it was ricochet. And he's got to make his big entrance first. And then he gets in the ring and has a big exchange with Page.
Starting point is 03:21:35 But now at this point, there's some guys still in this match we haven't seen in 10 minutes. they're just fucking laying around somewhere, waiting for their next queue. And then Christian comes in because he was in the... Wait a minute. Hold on here.
Starting point is 03:21:56 It was in the... The Trio's ladder match. He wasn't in the 16 man. He wasn't in the 10 man. He was in the 12-man four-way ladder match. Okay. He came out and got in the match
Starting point is 03:22:09 and Jeff broke a guitar over Page's head and Cage and O'Reilly were down in the ring and here came Dino and the lizard gets in the ring and it's like he might turn around and hit Cage because of the
Starting point is 03:22:27 miscommunication that they had in the earlier match but in turn, or not in turn instead he chokeslams O'Reilly and puts Christian on top one, two, three so
Starting point is 03:22:42 Ricochet made his big debut in the company in a match that not only did he not win he was barely in it and there's O'Cody that didn't win this thing
Starting point is 03:23:00 and there's hangnail that didn't win this thing but Christian Cage won this thing and it took from start to finish of entrances everything well over half an hour. But Cage now gets a world title shot anytime he wants one instead of any of their stars they've been pushing for or the guy that they just signed.
Starting point is 03:23:27 Why did it ricochet have to be in this thing if he wasn't not only going to win it but wasn't even going to start and go all the way through and be the phenomenal story of the match? Any other question is, and it's been a while, this push, does Tony push Christian Cage too much? Well, I mean, he can still, he can work better than most of these people, but was this the spy, then, don't have him win a match that involves the debut of Rickashay. Don't have anybody win the match that involves the debut of Rickash, except Rikoschay! The finish deflated the fans there. It was a shit finish, and this isn't the first. finish on the show or the only finish that deflated the fans.
Starting point is 03:24:12 And they've teased the luchosaurus turn on Christian for a while now. For a long while. Going back to the beginning of them being together. Well, wait a minute. He turned on him once, didn't he? For two weeks? Yeah, that's right. Did I imagine that? Is that a fever dream?
Starting point is 03:24:29 No, I think that was true. Maybe when he was feuding with Jungle Boy. But yeah, if there was ever a time to pull the trigger, this may have been it because of the pop it would have gotten. But instead you took that away, and again, I don't think I don't think people want Christian Cage in the main event picture. That's just my hunch. Well, you know, you've got
Starting point is 03:24:48 a hunch there, but a good surgeon could help you. But I'll tell you know, with this show so far, it's like, gosh, there's one turd after another. One turd after another. And then suddenly, the next match we find out is going to be MJF and Will Osprey.
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Starting point is 03:28:35 Boxofossom.com, the promo code. JCE All right, well, Box of Awesome is cool, like I said, but let's go back to really the match, I guess, that we both wanted to see the most, MJF versus Will Osprey. Well, that's why, let me tell you what I did, I cheated. Because when I saw that MJF and Osprey was coming up next, I said, you know what, after I watched that, because that's really the one I want to see, then it's really going to be drudgery from here on out.
Starting point is 03:29:04 So I deliberately, fast forwarded past this match to begin with, watched everything else and watched this last so I wouldn't go home pissed off, as they say. And you know what? I made a mistake. I should have saved Swerve and Danielson for last. Because there was some element of pissed offiness here that I got in this one. But nevertheless, would you like to... Can you tell me what the fuck is going on?
Starting point is 03:29:36 is Will Osprey a breakdancing ninja? Is he a British secret service man like James Bond? The African drum music? There were people spinning on their heads. What the... Well, that's what I'm... I don't know how this all tied into his fucking gimmick. Apparently Tony heard our segments on Raygun
Starting point is 03:30:04 and was inspired to bring some dancers. No, they were very talented break dancers. That woman who looked like Ivy Nile was doing a great job. Well, yeah, and that's who I thought it was, she had hopped sides and switched organizations because I thought it was one of the WWF girls there. Yeah, and then apparently they got a sponsorship deal with Assassin's Creed, which is a major video game line. They have a series of games.
Starting point is 03:30:28 Okay, well, they did not relay that information ahead of time. No, they presume you would know that, yes. Well, they presume wrong, because what the, I'm saying, sitting there watching it. They say MJF and Osprey is next. They got the history package between them and then suddenly, here's drum music and break dancing
Starting point is 03:30:46 ninjas. They're in the black outfits and they're flipping about and they're spinning and there's five of them, but the Ivy Now girl was in the middle. She's the one that spun on her head but only after she put a hat on.
Starting point is 03:31:02 I'm thinking it was a gimmick hat. She didn't do that bareheaded. That's probably smart. You'd rip your hair out. Well, it means she was cheating. There's some type of apparatus in the hat, possibly a motor, a propeller. Oh, come on. You think
Starting point is 03:31:18 any kind of hat on your head while you're trying to spin on your head is cheating? Well, if you're going to spin on your head, then you've got to go all the way with it, or elsewise, you're just showing off. And then suddenly the lights went out. And then there was a video, and a guy with a Hispanic accent now we've had the ninjas
Starting point is 03:31:42 which is from the far east we've had the breakdancing which is from Poughkeepsie I don't fucking know we got the drum music for it like sound like a Tarzan movie now a guy with a Hispanic accent introduced himself with that what was that name did you catch that name Brian one name what are you talking about
Starting point is 03:32:03 the guy that was narrating the video my name is... Oh, no, I did not catch his name. I didn't even read as he said his name. Because he threw it like fucking catfish hunter at a hundred miles an hour. And then they had a video of Will Osprey on independent shows mixed in with video. It looked like it came from the tourist office of the country of Japan with some samurai. And then somebody dove off a fucking roof.
Starting point is 03:32:31 And I'm like, what the hell? And the voiceover guy gave him a... a pep talk about being an assassin because we're assassins and whatever the fuck and then suddenly when they come back, there are banners on the stage and then is when
Starting point is 03:32:48 you're able to, they start doing the sales pitch and you realize this shit is from a video game. And they've got banners on sale whenever the assassins are us. I don't know. But they've proven
Starting point is 03:33:04 they can't sell video games. somebody pay them to try to sell video games? You know, it's funny, I didn't even think of it that way. Yes, apparently they were paid for their sponsorship, and apparently it also ties back to Will Osprey's nickname. The Ariel Assassin, I believe he said, I could be wrong, that he took that originally because of the Assassin's Creed games. Oh, boy, all right.
Starting point is 03:33:28 Well, they had fun there, and then they played Osprey's music, and then he made his entrance, and he's over with the crowd. as we have mentioned. And then came MJF. He had ten girls out there waving American flags, and he was dressed like James Brown in the Living in America video. Ha! I feel good.
Starting point is 03:33:55 So... Or like Weird Allen, the Living with a Hernia video. That's true. That's true. And it may be more like, I'm not sure they successfully got the folks in the United Kingdom to turn on America any more than they already naturally were with just the way we really act.
Starting point is 03:34:13 But I wanted, this again, I wanted to see the match because this was not only the, the, the, MJF's the biggest star, Osprey is the only one of the, the new signings that you could say make a case for being worth his money because people really do fucking like him. But I think the problem with this was this was, this was. instead of being an MJF match with a little Osprey, it was an Osprey match with a little MJF. And that's why they had me, and then they started losing me,
Starting point is 03:34:51 and they lost me more as they went along. Do you know what my problem was? Can you see it coming a mile away? I think I can. MJF is showing too much ass. No. I'm all in favor of seeing more of MJF's gluteus maximi.
Starting point is 03:35:08 Oh. He has, he's worked him into excellent shape. You can bounce a quarter off of them like you're fucking making a bed and a barracks in the army. This took a turn. But no, it's a... It's a video game.
Starting point is 03:35:24 This match was a video game. I could, I could, because I started taking notes about, well, MJF got heat with this and nice sequence where MJF was Being a heel and Osprey flipped over and around him. Very baby-faced-ish. They're young athletes.
Starting point is 03:35:43 They're in great shape. Nice gear. They look like somebody. The work at least doesn't look phony or awkward in terms of its execution, like a lot of people on the rest of the show. But then, MJF catches Osprey on one of his dives over the last of his dives over the the top rope and tombstones him on the floor.
Starting point is 03:36:11 And then MJF said, well, anybody can do a flip, and he does a backflip off the springboard backflip off the top rope so that Osprey can move and MJF can land on his feet and charge, and Osprey can give him a Spanish fly on the floor. So not only did Osprey just fucking give somebody a Spanish fly on the floor 30 seconds after he was tombstone pile driven on the floor, but there's MJF doing springboard backflips off the top, landing on his feet, on the ground,
Starting point is 03:36:51 even if he did do it and can do it, risking injury for a... What for? What fucking four was that? But then the point is, everything... MJF shit looks good. But seconds after he does a devastating thing, Osprey is just flipping around again. He goes from zero to hero faster than anybody I've ever seen.
Starting point is 03:37:19 That shit used to be shot down in the first weeks of wrestling school class. Between that and Osprey, the turning the back on the opponent and making the concentration face and taking the high diver pose, and pointing to the rope and then running to it. One time he turned his back, MJF, grabbed him by the hair, and yanked him down.
Starting point is 03:37:46 But it's just, it's so performative, it's so fake. It's so, he believes he's a video game character. The problem with a lot of this generation is they think they should be video game characters. They're trying to be video game characters rather than believing that they're so good a video game should be made out of them.
Starting point is 03:38:12 And so MJF hits a wicked pile driver, and Osprey is lords a leaping in 15 seconds. MJF hits a fucking Panama Sunrise on the apron of the ring. And yes, Osprey milks the fucking count to nine and a half and then rolls in, but within, again, seconds or whatever, doing the Cody cutter on the apron. It's just that. It's a video game.
Starting point is 03:38:46 There's no... You can't have sympathy for the baby face when the heels getting heat on him because nothing hurts him. And you can't lose yourself in the drama of the thing because there is no drama. These are not real people. It's a fictitious video game.
Starting point is 03:39:07 and Osprey he has all the talent in the world if somebody would produce him he would be great don't turn your back on goddamn your opponent with your foot away from him don't goddamn get tombstone pile driven and be up doing cartwheels
Starting point is 03:39:27 in 32 seconds that type of thing but nobody is he's been in the Indies and been in Japan where you learn nothing applicable to this and nobody is trying to sit him down and say, hey, you still have to learn
Starting point is 03:39:46 what you've got to do for this market. And it's just blah. For these fans, especially in Wembley, you can do this. But this is what he probably avoided by going to the WWE, anybody in a structured system trying to smarten him up.
Starting point is 03:40:05 and you know that that's a that's a thing of and then they do the spot osprey does the elbow off the apron and mjf ducks so osprey takes out the cameraman then mjf grabs a title belt and hits him with the title belt and gets a two count and in a brainbuster it gets a two count and then they knock the mjf into the referee who takes a nice bump. But while the referee's down, MJF goes for the Tiger driver and Osprey escapes and he's going to hook him up for it and MJF gives him the nut shot. And then MJF pulls out the taped knucks out of his tights because we've already had a title belt and we've already had the pile drivers on the floor and now we've got more and the ring was stolen apparently. Did you see the tweet on this, Brian? I don't even know what you're talking about, no.
Starting point is 03:41:06 He used Nucks instead of the dynamite diamond ring because he tweeted earlier in the day, or I guess it was earlier in the day in Wembley, what a shitty country the dynamite diamond ring has been stolen. So do you think, did somebody steal his entire bag? I can't imagine they took it off his hand. Well, that's the question. Does that mean someone went into his room when he wasn't there?
Starting point is 03:41:30 Did someone go through his bag? What was his bag taken at the airport? Or what, you know. Was it at the building? Was it one of the wrestlers? Where was Dick Steinborn? Oh, ho. He was, he was, immediately lurking around the locker room area.
Starting point is 03:41:50 Famous locker room thief for anyone wondering why I'm saying. Allegedly. Allegedly. He had good stories, though. You know what they always used to do if somebody got to reputation? They thought he was the one, he was fucking, Watch your poke, like Dick, watch your poke, Steinborn. If they got the impression that it was that guy that was doing it,
Starting point is 03:42:11 everybody on the card would start saying before they went to the ring, hey, can you hold my wallet for me? Because then what's the guy going to fucking do, right? Of course, it also, it was a subtle way of saying, we know what the fuck's been going on and we're keeping an eye on you. But yeah, somebody's been going in bags and stealing stuff, so the guy you suspect let him be the one you say,
Starting point is 03:42:35 hey, hold my wallet while I go to the ring. What's he going to do? You come back 15 minutes later. Son of a bitch, they pick my pocket. Anyway, so MJF pulls out the nucks and he draws back and another masked ninja
Starting point is 03:42:55 grabs his hand and nails him and unmask and it's Danny Garcia. And he stands there with all the personality that he doesn't have, with that blank look on his face. And MJF is distracted, and then he turns around and Osprey hits him with the elbow, and then hooks him and hits him with a tiger driver and a referee recovered, one, two, three. And that tiger driver, MJF landed okay. I would term that as okay.
Starting point is 03:43:33 I can see what he did there. But there's not much that the guy taking that can control because a good percentage of it is up to the guy putting you in the trajectory you're going. And I wouldn't trust this guy, this move, or again, MJF risk his potential, not potential, risk his certain WWE future. For this horseshit, you know, is he or is he not going to drop him on his head and make the smart fans believe it really hurt?
Starting point is 03:44:10 What about you? I'm not a fan of the move because I'm not a fan of things that look like that could cause a serious neck injury. But they built it up. Now, I said that it didn't get a reaction last week on dynamite. It got the reaction here. Yeah. So I got to react. Daniel Garcia did too.
Starting point is 03:44:27 We'll see where they go with it. But for this night, those two things, the rest of the reaction. Revelation of Daniel Garcia and the Tiger Driver both got big pops. MJF didn't just take it and it looked rough. Even if you say you saw what he did, it looked like it hurt. And then he was rolled... Oh, I'm not saying it was comfortable. And then he was rolled up in that position and then the referee took a while to get there
Starting point is 03:44:48 and then it was a slow count. So he was stuck like that for 10 seconds, 15 seconds? That couldn't be easy. Well, once you've landed and you can still feel your extremities, you got about 10 seconds of, oh, thank God that's over, so he could get by with it. But yeah, too much Osprey,
Starting point is 03:45:09 not enough MJF, in my opinion. And of course, then Osprey turned down the American championship belt, and Chris Daniels came out to give him the old international title, because that's what it's back to being called. It's international.
Starting point is 03:45:25 It's the world over. England, United States, Lichtenstein, everywhere. You know, whatever you want to say, I thought it was the best match on the show. Well, no. I like the finish of the Danielson,
Starting point is 03:45:43 but in terms of the entirety of the match, what I enjoyed, not saying it was a perfect match or anything, I enjoyed that one more than any other match. Well, Danielson came through. We'll talk about it in a second, because we're not quite there yet. But if it had been anybody else but Brian Danielson in that spot, yes,
Starting point is 03:45:59 and I would agree with you, MJF and Osprey, but there's something that Danielson has with these people and that he can do that if anybody else had the same kind of match or tried to do the same kind of stuff, it would stink. Does that make sense? It does.
Starting point is 03:46:17 Well, that's what he was doing. It's his reputation and his body of work. That's what it is. They kind of know who he is and there's enough there that you know what to get behind or whatnot. But anyway, but he's doing. Well, we'll come back to it because the women's title did we have the women's title earlier who is the who what what were the fucking fricking frick and frack fighting over Tony Storm and oh no this is the TBS championship the TBS championship
Starting point is 03:46:41 oh cry which is a women's title because it can it can never be a men's title now because a man would have to beat a woman for it to cross over the the gendarmes the genres the janders so it's it's forever a women's title, right? I guess the question is what happens if they end up either signing with Warner Brothers Discovery and not being on TBS or signing with a different network and not being on TBS.
Starting point is 03:47:08 What happens to that championship? Well, then it changes names to the YouTube championship. The headline news champion is here right now. The Garden Channel. But anyway, okay, TBS title, women's title, whatever, Mercedes Moon. CEO versus Dr. Britt Baker, DMD. And boy, I think they ought to give us an IOU for this one. Mercedes makes me dislike something involving dogs.
Starting point is 03:47:43 Is that a first for my life? The hell does that mean? They brought her entrance. They brought her out in the Queen's carriage with the, what do they call them, the footman, or the archman, or the archman, or the tow men or the heel men or whatever, pushing the carriage, and Queen Mercedes had the corgis.
Starting point is 03:48:06 The corgis are the queen's dogs. You didn't notice that little factoid there? I saw that. I just wasn't exactly sure what you were saying. Well, I didn't like this entrance because I don't like Mercedes, but now she's actually made me like, not like, something involving dogs. And that's almost impossible.
Starting point is 03:48:27 I would like dogs, if the dogs were ripping my flesh from my bones. But this turned me off to the dogs. All right? This is her opinion of herself. And because she's the heel. Again, she's the heel. Why is she coming out as the beloved Queen of England
Starting point is 03:48:52 with the beloved corgi dogs and the pageantry of the British Isles there? Because she thinks she's a hot shit in a wrestling business. She's a queen. The robe that she was wearing cost more than this whole overblown fucking entrance probably cost. But anyway, I got to say it looked like Funk and Briscoe after Tony Storm and Maria were in there. What they were doing here, but their high spots were better than Mercedes. 80s is heat. When she takes over, she's too small to control people and too awkward or half a step off with the complicated stuff.
Starting point is 03:49:40 And as I wrote that, I write a note. That's when she tried the Bobby Eaton slingshot backbreaker and nearly miss dropping Britt Baker on her head trying to bounce her off the ropes. Did you see that part? I noticed that, yes. I didn't think of Bobby when she did it, though. well no well that's what she was going for you wouldn't have thought of it by the end result but that she was going for the old pick him up or pick her up bounce her off the top rope over the knee backbreaker but she almost dropped her on her head so she got a different grip on baker and did another kind of slingshot backbreaker but that one was weak as that's all she does is try to do this complicated shit, Mercedes I'm talking about, and it ends up either you can't tell who's supposed to sell the fucking bump, or it's just bleh.
Starting point is 03:50:37 She doesn't have the power in that frame to move anybody around where she can do complicated shit and control you enough to protect you. And then what does the glove... How does the glove make it deadly? The lockjaw grip. It's a fucking red lamation. glove. It's not the coal miner's glove with metal on the fucking fingers, or, you know,
Starting point is 03:51:05 Edward Scissor hands, it's a fucking red lame glove. And I think it was originally introduced Dr. Burr-Berker doing it. It wasn't that I had any powers, it was just that she was being hygienic. I didn't want to get the germs on her fingers because she's a dentist. She was a heel dentist, so she would put the plastic proctology examination glove on and do the finish, but now it's become a sequined Michael Jackson prop
Starting point is 03:51:30 and she's the baby face and they're fighting over the glove because Britt puts the glove on but can't get the lock jaw Mercedes sees the glove and puts it on but Brit picked her up and dropped her on her head and took the glove back and put it on and Tony Chivani's line was
Starting point is 03:51:51 if she gets it on she's going to win this thing why why? And as it awkward back and forth, this is so long and slow. Then the flipping body slam off the turnbuckle woke the people up. But so apparently Mercedes got the title belt and swung, but the referee caught it and took it away. It's not a disqualification just because of intent, I guess, anymore. And while he's putting it out, Brit kicks Camille and grabs the other belt.
Starting point is 03:52:26 because Mercedes has two belts and tossed it to Camille and took the bump, the old Eddie Guerrero thing, so the referee turned around and ejected Camille. And then Britt Baker gave Mercedes the Panama City Sunrise or the Alabama
Starting point is 03:52:48 winter is coming, whatever the fuck that thing is. And a curb stomp and got a two count. And everything overbooked all the time. Now they've lost all the momentum. And silence ruled the day. And they struggled. That's what it is, too. I'm sorry to interrupt.
Starting point is 03:53:09 You say momentum. There is no momentum because the crowd is dead. Well, but at least they were active in the ring. The match was going. This is, if they're going to do something, let them go to the fugging finish when they swing the belt. The referee catches it putting it out. the other title belt comes into play. The manager takes a bump.
Starting point is 03:53:30 The referee turns and ejects the manager. The baby face hits two finishes. Two count. What the fuck? Now they're just selling. Now they're struggling over the lockjaw. Mercedes bites Britt's fingers. That should be the other way around.
Starting point is 03:53:46 The baby face should bite the heel fingers. And Mercedes shoves Britt Baker somehow awkwardly into the ropes botching something and then hit her finish and you can't tell whether that's a botch or not normally. One, two, three. She beat Britt Baker just flat in the middle of the ring. What was the thing they were trying to do
Starting point is 03:54:15 that looked like Britt just ran into the ropes and then fell away? I'm not sure, but I've said it before. Mercedes-Money, whatever you want to say about her. manufactured personality and just how fake it comes across and it's all performance to the point where you can't lose yourself in it, she can do stuff in the ring. I'm questioning if Britt Baker can, because we've seen lots of sloppy moments in the past and sometimes it feels like she can't keep up or she just doesn't have basics down. I don't know. There's something. I think this was a group effort. Maybe. I mean, how do,
Starting point is 03:54:52 I'm not saying Mercedes is. player or anything. How did Brit? Britt, Brit wasn't responsible for dropping her own self on her head almost off the slingshot backbreaker. I'm not saying that Brit was you know, Red Bastine here either.
Starting point is 03:55:07 Pull a deep cut out. But it would, and then they're trying to do a finish that requires a lot of timing and wouldn't make a tremendous amount of sense if they did it right because again, the fucking heel, it apparently just beat the baby face.
Starting point is 03:55:29 Both of them tried to cheat. Camille, the manager, was really a non-entity. Minor interference. I don't know what the fuck is going on with this. So they're continuing not only this program, but Mercedes Mouns push to
Starting point is 03:55:52 the the stratosphere. You know, this stuff has been less over than the Tony Store Mariah May stuff, I think. And it's not like that's a lighting the world on fire. Hater came back out a big reaction. Again, it's a comeback. It's also our hometown or home country. I'm not exactly sure what.
Starting point is 03:56:10 A big reaction. For all the time they've spent on TV with this, Britt Baker and Mercedes-Money, with Camille being added to it. They got the first segment on the show several times. there was nothing. There was no buzz for it. There was no energy for it. There was no excitement for it. I think even though she's a heel, people may start firing rounds if they have to hear that CEO one more time. So I just think this is all missing. This is all just not working. Jamie Hater came back out of bigger reaction and Britt Baker could get. And they're going to be kept away from each other. The whole natural thing was Britt Baker and Jamie Hater.
Starting point is 03:56:49 and now that's not going to be done. So I was not a fan of this match. Well, and we were three hours into the main show with another two hours of the pre-show on top of that. It was time for the coffin match. And boy, I wish I could go to a pharmacist and find something to stop this coffin. Darby Allen versus Jungle Jackoff.
Starting point is 03:57:14 And I got to be honest, when I saw the first person, part of this, they started the match on the floor with Darby beaten on old Jack with a chair and Darby had thumbtacks stuck to his face sticking outwards
Starting point is 03:57:32 so that he could give, I don't know, like Eskimo kisses or something to Jack in a painful manner and then Darby on the floor sat Jack in a chair and climbed to the top rope
Starting point is 03:57:48 and there is Jack sitting there in the chair staring at Darby not moving so that Darby could come off the top rope to the floor and drop kick him out of the chair. And I said, I need a break. I stopped this and came back later on to pick it back up because I just...
Starting point is 03:58:10 You know, again, Darby Allen is another guy that if he had been produced from the start, the WWE could have made him a big fucking deal. he would be making a fortune in merchandise right now he would be upper middle card with a really good guarantee and he would have producers not letting him be the stupid fuck that he is in real life it's no shame in being stupid
Starting point is 03:58:40 if you admit that you're stupid and seek help from smart people but when stupid is surrounded by stupid Brian well that's just stupid is it being surrounded by stupid or being surrounded by people who should be telling stupid no don't do that well they don't
Starting point is 03:59:00 because and that means they're stupid and they a lot of them I'm sure think this stuff that he does is good or smart in any way but so I came back to the match and they had slowed down to a crawl because Jungle Boy had to bring in the bag of broken glass.
Starting point is 03:59:22 And when he, when he dumped the broken glass out in the ring, the fans cheered it. Think about it. They cheered the heel bringing in a foreign object to incapacitate to baby face with. But they didn't cheer, no, they didn't cheer it. They cheered the idea of this being a throwback to everything with punk. It's still about punk.
Starting point is 03:59:46 Well, some of them weren't you. C.M. Punk also at old Jungle Boy. But, again... That was the reaction. The reaction was all about CM Punk. The idea that Jack Perry brought out a bag of glass was all about getting a C.M. Punk reaction. Which is sad. I mean, we're a year later. You should move past it. Jack Perry's whole life and career can't be based around getting beat up by C.M. Punk.
Starting point is 04:00:09 Well, they're children. Whether you're a child from Cucamonger or a child from Las Vegas, you can't leave anything alone. and then of course Jungle Boy gets dropped into back dropped into the glass and then hit with a skateboard and then Jack got some kind of tape
Starting point is 04:00:29 and tape Darby's hands together and Darby was bleeding and I noted at this point they're not using the ring and they went all the way up the ramp and Jungle Jack power bombed
Starting point is 04:00:44 Darby on the stage and then got his belt and tied his ankles together. So now Darby's ankles are tied together and his hands are taped together. And he threw him off a stage through the fucking table. So I fast forwarded it. I just, what, this is, finally, Jungle Jack zipped Darby up in a body bag and drug him to the coffin and put him in the carcun.
Starting point is 04:01:15 and put him in the coffin and closed the lid. And that was the finish. And then, hold your comments, Brian. I know you're going to want to say something. Here come the Hardley boys. Matt and Nick with a fake gas can. It looks like they got it off of the goddamn set of saving Private Ryan.
Starting point is 04:01:38 Petrol. Petrol. And it was full of probably iced tea is what it had a little at least they bother to tent it a little bit and they pour it all over Darby and there's Jackie Boy lighting a bick they're going to set him on fire when suddenly the lights go out and it's Sting
Starting point is 04:02:03 and Sting walks to the ring and no-sells everything and beats up the bucks and gives them a double scorpion death drop and they play the music and he goes down and gets Darby out of the coffin. What kind of payday you think he got for that? Oh, tens of thousands of dollars, but besides that, what, so they give old Jungle Boy his win
Starting point is 04:02:35 and they let Darby do all the stupid things that Darby does when an adult is not in the room to tell him no, but why did they have to make the whole thing silly and ridiculous with the gas can and the gas and the light. And no, you're not going to light him on fucking fire. You fucking silly children. Well, you just answered your own question. Jack Perry and Youngbucks.
Starting point is 04:03:03 Silly children. Who do silly things always on this show and it never helps the company, but they don't see it. So that was what happened there. Any thoughts on this? The fine points of this technical classic that I might have missed. Not much to say that you didn't already say, like I said,
Starting point is 04:03:22 the one thing was I was pretty sure because it was Wembley and it was Jack Perry and these guys can't let go of any of that stuff. They were going to do something punk-related, and they did. So hopefully that's the end of it. Hopefully they really can move on this time. Well, we'll hope,
Starting point is 04:03:36 but we won't cross our fingers and hold our breath. But then it was time for the main event of the evening for the AEW World Heavyweight title Danielson's career versus Swerve Strickland's World Title What's it going to be? Who's going to do what? And
Starting point is 04:03:55 I like this match better than anything else on a show basically for Danielson's performance and the way that he can you know take these people on a ride with him and it was a wonderful moment and who is going
Starting point is 04:04:20 to beat him for this thing. This has to be a short-term title reign. One would think when he's talking publicly about having neck surgery by Christmas or whatever. Although that would be an interesting thing. If every match he has, you think this has to be
Starting point is 04:04:36 the match he loses it because he keeps saying these things and then he never loses. So he keeps having to come back and defend it. I don't know. I don't know. But he got the final countdown again. So again, you know, every time a bell rings,
Starting point is 04:04:58 some music publisher gets a new Ferrari from Tony Kahn. No one more than them. They're notorious for charging a lot. So that's another, what did we hear last time? It's a wrestler salary. A couple hundred thousand dollars? Yeah. But anyway, you know, that means everybody in the building only had to pitch in four bucks a piece and they could pay for it. But the people are into him. They're into the they're into yes there was the nicky and the kids at ringside what's a birdie and buddy i believe so yes birdie and buddy and nicky and the kids brie and the kids right which one is it he's married they're
Starting point is 04:05:40 twins all right but they're you can't blame me they're twins how am i supposed tell them apart well he says their name brie bella that's his wife well you think they ever pulled a swiss itch on him just for fun. No comment. Anyway. Who's fun? And they brought, well, it just depends, you know, I can be fun for the whole family.
Starting point is 04:06:03 And then Jim Ross, Jim Ross was on color. He wanted to call this if this was Danielson's last match. Swerve made his entrance. He had a new outfit on him. Prince Nana put the cape on him. And then
Starting point is 04:06:21 rappers came out and wrapped? Were they anybody that we should know and were they any good? Because I can't tell either. I don't like the song, but I can't tell you. I don't know too much about these specific rappers and what was going on here. It was sort of like when I watched Ray Gunn do the break dancing. I don't really know what the good stuff is supposed to be like by heart, so I couldn't tell whether this was any good or not. But nevertheless, all the fans were doing swerve's house. so he gets some heat later on in this match because of what Danielson was doing but they're encouraging people to cheer for the heel at one moment by doing this and starting this and then he's trying to get heat so they'll boo him the next month so I'm not sure what's happening there
Starting point is 04:07:13 but they started out okay and then Danielson hit the big springboard cannonball to the floor and they popped. And then Danielson, this match was more serious, more professional, stiffer, potentially not dangerous, but stiff in a good way, than anything else on the show, I think. And I did note again Excalibur. I want to call him by his name instead of sock face, or shit for brains because I want everybody to know
Starting point is 04:07:52 he was falling apart. He was killing this match. He was the worst announcer ever on major television. Wow. I mean, think who else has led a nationally televised program? Maybe that Mike Adam Lee? We weren't even watching then. But my God, this guy, he's the, he's trying to,
Starting point is 04:08:18 talk like he's fucking Pat Summerall and he fucking sounds like Pat McGroin. He's trying to be, he's trying to search for you know, verbose and flowery ways to say these things like a Jim Ross or a Gordon Solie or a whoever the case in their, and no, he just, he's a fucking nerd and a mark. And did you see swerve give Danielson the Death Valley driver
Starting point is 04:08:54 on the apron of the ring with Nana shoving the ring bell under Danielson's head in front of his family, yes I did in front of his family what a fucking bump and they did it just perfectly but there was absolutely zero room for fucking error
Starting point is 04:09:12 and that could have been a hospitalization angle but the only problem was then the next time you saw Danielson, he's bleeding from the front of his head when the back of his head hit the bell. So he hit him so hard in the back of his head, the front of his head busted open. And he stomped the shit out of Danielson on the floor in front of Nikki and the kids, or Bree and the kids. I wonder if they've done a DNA test to find out which one of the sisters is the real mother. Think about that now. Well, I think it was the one that was pregnant at that time.
Starting point is 04:09:54 Well, that could be to lull you into a false sense of security, see, confuse the issue. It's all part of the big work. Who do you think they're working, him? Well, it just depends on it. Just follow the money. What money? Well, that's the root of all evil. What are you talking?
Starting point is 04:10:14 You're asking me questions. I'm answering them. All right. So obviously, just to take a step back, money is the central issue in the Nikki and Bree Bella wife swap situation that Brian Danielson's unaware of. Yes, in order to convince him that those are his kids, so he'll pay for him, and they're diverting some of that money, probably into a Swiss bank account, and it'll come out one day, and that's how they switch off every six months.
Starting point is 04:10:45 They assume each other's roles, because they're twins, see, that's where it works. It's going to be a whole big thing one of these days. Maybe on AEW TV, who knows? On AEW television. So, I mean, Danielson did the big suplex off the top rope and the stumps and the cattle mutilation. But swerve escaped and dropped Danielson on his head. And they did another referee spot where he calls the doctors in to look at Bride. But the problem was that it didn't even look that bad for, like, MJF just got dropped on his head.
Starting point is 04:11:24 It looked a lot fucking more. concerning than the bump that they took here. I think they ought to be more judicious with their, it's called the referee, and this could be, he's paralyzed. It didn't shock anybody. Nobody went, but anyway, Swerve then, he's double stomping him, and he's head kicking him,
Starting point is 04:11:44 and he's getting two counts, and then, as Swerve starts kicking him over and over, Danielson starts hulking up. And this is, where the people really started blowing. And this is wrestling. Danielson selling this shit, the look on his face, the intensity on his body,
Starting point is 04:12:06 and then the comeback and the yes kicks. They had the people there. And again, I said if it was anybody else doing his shit, but Danielson, it wouldn't work. But then I, Danielson hit the big knee and swerved, got knocked back into the turnbuckle, then no-sold it, walked out, and brushed it off, and kicked him in the head. And I went, what the fuck? That looked out of place.
Starting point is 04:12:33 But then swerve starts kicking a shit out of Danielson, and the people start going, no, no, no. And then suddenly hangnail page comes over the rail and shoves Nonna down and security grabbed him and took him out, so he was playing the George the Animal Steel at Shea Stadium part in this extravagance. wasn't he? I thought he was good actually doing that. You know, he, he's starting to come into his own a little bit as the crazed, maniac, desperate hangman.
Starting point is 04:13:04 And he's, he's, he's been coming into his own ever since he was a young teenager. Oh, will you stop? You could do that. I don't know how that's even physically possible, unless you're Lanny Pafo, of course, the genius of Gloria in Renown.
Starting point is 04:13:16 But, uh, yeah, I'm not saying it wasn't a good intervention at rings out. I'm just saying that's like George Steele had to come out try to interfere with Bruno and Pedro and the cops had to drag him back. The difference too is that people who went to that Shea Stadium show said that was the highlight of that entire match. Yeah, that's true. And so then Danielson
Starting point is 04:13:38 hits the big knee again this time he gets a two count. And then they go back and forth and Danielson hits another knee and they come unglued again. And then another knee and the Label lock and swerve tab. out and the place goes nuts. And then they do the celebration with Nikki and the kids.
Starting point is 04:14:02 I think Bree was there too by that point. And, you know, as a matter of fact, you've heard the problem. You know, Danielson, he's very health conscious. He has the great diet, but he was going to try to stick to being vegan, but he couldn't give up eating Bree. All right. You know, that's a step too far. Let me ask you a question.
Starting point is 04:14:22 despite the cinematic beauty of the big ending here. Any uncomfortableness, any, anything you don't like about a guy bleeding right in front of his kid? Well... I mean, there were points in a match who was right in front of them and he was bleeding all over the place. He's obviously, they've smartened him up because they're both in the business, but the kids apparently are pretty decent workers, because sometimes you get the family having inappropriate reactions. But at the same point, you know that
Starting point is 04:14:54 as nice as Brian Danielson is. I've never met his wife. But he's not going to make the kids think this is real and daddy's really being hurt. So they've had some kind of educational process going on at some point there. But at their age, nuance is probably hard to explain. So I think they've had to have told him,
Starting point is 04:15:20 hey this is all play acting, it's for TV and Daddy's not really hurt, but I'm going to look like I'm in a horror movie type of thing, I would bet you. But you got to help us say, you've got to be scared of the bad man too type of thing. But I wasn't this wasn't like
Starting point is 04:15:40 you know, when cactus got fucking handcuffed and they're caving his skull in with a chair over and over in front of his children who there's absolutely no way that this can't be dangerous to this person. This was a match, and it was a good match, and I can see where they could have coached the kids, but the kids wouldn't really be worried to answer your question.
Starting point is 04:16:04 Yeah. Yeah, that was the only thing that made me feel a little uneasy, just the idea, here are these little kids, including the daughter, who from what we hear is the one saying, please retire, I want you at home, daddy. And there he is, bleeding a gusher right in front of them. Well, but she's saying, please retire, because I don't want you to leave home.
Starting point is 04:16:19 rather than, you know, you're going to die. Who knows? Maybe before the match was like, please meet Uncle Swerve. You know, hi, kids. Yeah, well, I'm sure there was an element of that also. But I think the son, I think if they really wanted to make a great spot for the kid, he should have come over the fucking rail with a miniature pocket knife and tried to stab Swerve. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 04:16:40 Oh, stab him. This is a step from far. And this is in a foreign country that would have all gotten in a lot of trouble. Well, no, they still speak English. Right, but they, uh, they're- You can explain. a stabbing a lot easier when you're speaking the same language. Well, I don't know about that, but they got the big moment, and Tony Kahn at the media scrum afterwards, he had Brian Danielson there, and Danielson said, Tony had to drag him
Starting point is 04:17:02 kicking and screaming into accepting the world championship into being in this role, which is interesting because you would think, if you come to AEW to help him, you kind of want to be there, Danielson's a different kind of guy. You know, he wants to do his thing, but he's maybe not the assertive type or the type who really wants to put himself in front of everyone else, but Tony clearly wanted that and wanted this big moment and he got it. I guess, what did you think of the moment there at the end? Was this the right way to end the show? And seeing this now, have they made a mistake at all in the last three years not putting
Starting point is 04:17:35 the belt on him or elevating him further? Notwithstanding the injuries. Well, if he didn't want it, I mean, he would have been a lot better champion than many that they've had. If he didn't want it, that's another thing. and he has been out hurt somewhat. The moment was great. I would have thought that they would try to make this wimbly
Starting point is 04:17:56 about the moment with confetti falling from the ceiling and a guy holding a title over his head. It'd be Osprey. Because you've got years of him left, I'm sure. Tony probably signed him to a 20-year contract. And he's young, or younger at least, and he's new and fresh in the people like him. With Brian, this was a great moment, but how is it going to be a moment that jumpstarts business in America, brings the ratings up, a new personality on top, how show gates, whatever, on a long-term basis where in 18 months we're putting a package together, oh, let's go back and pick that spot out where he's raising the bell.
Starting point is 04:18:46 oh, he's already retired. He doesn't wrestle here anymore. I'm trying to figure out where they're going with this, how to coronate a new top guy that will have momentum by beating Brian Danielson for this title. Because they can't, if they've done this without having who that is and how it's going to be done in mind, then in a couple months they're going to be going,
Starting point is 04:19:15 Oh, yeah, fuck, he's kind of fucked up and probably need surgery and who are we going to put it on now? And obviously we saw what Tony did with Sting. It would be a mistake for Danielson just to vacate and retire or semi-retire, correct? Oh, good Lord, can you obey? So you beat Swerve, he's going to be around for quite a while,
Starting point is 04:19:36 but you beat him, and you've got the world title on a guy that's just going to kind of fade out here fairly soon, one would think, and then you're going to have a tournament again for another title again. No, if you've done this with Brian, fine. What major star is going to, is it MJF? Now that he is no longer the international champion, it can't be swerve again. Well, that's actually one of the people, Douglas Jones on the Culticornaff Facebook group.
Starting point is 04:20:10 That was kind of his question. That sounds like a fake name. If I'm Daniel Bryan, I'm insisting on losing to swerve on my way out the door, not just for tradition, but his legacy and what it would do for swerve heading into a program with Will Osprey. What do you think about that? I mean, should swerve, if there wasn't for this whole Danielson's story, would swerve still be the champion? You think he'll be a transition just to get right back to swerve? No, if swerve is going to go into a program with Ospre, Osprey's got a fucking belt. Swerve would be challenging for that.
Starting point is 04:20:43 just do this big thing. Danielson won at Wembley Stadium, 50,000 people. Oh, I swear won it back. Yeah, and I think they're going, and I think they're going Osprey Fletcher next, but I could be wrong. Oh, good Lord. I could be wrong. I hope you are. But I mean, who, again, who is a name that could benefit and draw with the world title and carry the thing? And I'm trying to think of their available people. MGAF just lost a belt, is that, will that be the consolation prize that in a couple months he ends up the world champion. Otherwise, who should be the world champion in this company besides Brian Danielson? Just spitball in here, so I'm not saying I endorse this or anything,
Starting point is 04:21:26 but looking at the history of AW and the champions that have done better than others in terms of ratings or drawing houses, Moxley, it would be a way to end everything with him and Danielson and the BCCC and also give Moxley a hard heel turn. Oh, God. I'm not saying I endorse it, but you're asking who's at that level where they should be or could be the world champion there. There are limited options. Okay, there's two people. You don't want to elevate someone like ricochet and put him in that position.
Starting point is 04:21:57 Right now, I wouldn't think. Well, gee, he couldn't even win the fucking match he debuted in. And no, he's not the world champion. He's the, another entertaining gymnast. Oh, yeah. hangnail? They tried that. That sucked. So I don't know who the world champion is going to be. Maybe they don't either. Well, that was AEW All In London, 2024. They'll be back in London for All In in 2025, or
Starting point is 04:22:30 26. Next year will be in Texas in July, I believe. But Jim, before we get to a little bit of Tony Scum, Tonycom Media Scrum audio. Or Tony Scum's Media Scrum. Or Tony Scum's Media That's close to what I was saying. Did you happen to see Rick-A-Cashe on social media at all? I know you've had some internet issues. The last few days, did you see any of the RICOchet stuff? Well, no, I don't actually follow Rikoshae on the Twitter, and I've been looking at the he hadn't come up, is what I'm saying, in short version.
Starting point is 04:23:03 Don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Well, RICOchet, apparently, because a lot of the listeners are sending this in, Corny Drive-Thru at Gmail.com, of course, if you have something to send in or on the Facebook page. sent this over, a user on Twitter named Missy tweeted out, I love Rikoshae. I don't watch AEW, but I'll be watching them highlights for sure. What do you think of that?
Starting point is 04:23:26 Any problem with that? Well, sounds like maybe he might bring some semblance of a new viewer to this side show, so that should be positive, right? Well, Rickettsay responded, Hmm, I'm conflicted with this. So if you love watching me, then why won't you watch me at AEW? Just so you can say I'm not watching that? Serious question.
Starting point is 04:23:54 That's an interesting response, right? Well, she was saying she doesn't watch AEW. He hasn't been there yet. But now that she might watch some highlights to see what the fuck is going on with a specific person, rather than this whole goddamn parade of terror, just to see five minutes of the one person she's looking for. Well, then another Twitter user, Blessed Titans fan. Now, what?
Starting point is 04:24:21 Blessed Titans fan tweeted out, I don't think she was saying this to dis you, bro. I think it was just that maybe AEW isn't for her, but she likes you enough to keep up with what you're doing. That, that's kind of the impression I got from the whole thing, too. To which Rickettsay responded, but doesn't like me enough to watch my actual matches, just enough to watch the highlights.
Starting point is 04:24:46 Oh, fuck's sake. And then another user, S-H-R. Yeah, she's only got time to watch the highlights because they're so much shorter than the whole fucking thing. Another user, the third user in this thread, or third profile, S-H-R at Van Hammered. It's weird that you're being so online about this. You're a TV star man.
Starting point is 04:25:09 some people don't like the AEW presentation. This person is saying that they will watch what you do on there regardless. AEW wants to be different, and it is, and in some eyes it's worse. To which Rikaschet responded, no, that's not what they said. They said they were just going to watch the highlights. Why is he arguing with these random people and being a prick about this? You know you don't have to watch the whole show just to watch one full match. So we'll stop right there.
Starting point is 04:25:42 Any thoughts on, again, I don't even know what the question. A lot of the listeners have been sending it in. They wanted me to ask you about it. Well, is he another one of these touchy artists that, oh, you don't like my oil painting? I put her ear where I think her ear should go. Or whatever. He's so touchy about this. It's random people on Twitter.
Starting point is 04:26:05 Normally, they would be calling for your death by a variety of, prehistoric and medieval barbaric means. But they're just saying, yeah, I don't really like the comedy, but I'll watch you. Oh, well, fuck you. What do you mean by that? And people think my Twitter beefs are weird. Yeah. For fuck say, I mean, this was.
Starting point is 04:26:29 She was literally saying, I don't like AEW, but now that you're there, I'm going to have to check it out. And he's like playing semantics with the word highlight. Yeah. Oh, you don't want to watch the whole thing. I might be back on again. But no, why, how do they have the time? Well, because the kids these days, he's one of the video game generation.
Starting point is 04:26:49 The kids, they got their phone glued to their hand, and they have to comment on everybody because everybody in the world is waiting to hear what they have to say about every goddamn thing. But to argue with random fans about their choice of words of how they said they were going to watch him, think he's another one of these sensitive son of a bitches. Well, that's ricochet, but moving on from there, Jim.
Starting point is 04:27:17 He'll bounce back from this. Jim, Tony Con had a media scrum after the AEW pay-per-view event. We're not going to play a ton of audio from this, but... Well, you know how I feel about that, don't you? All right, you think it's ding? I think it's great. Jim, a lot of the listeners are sent in two specific questions, so let me go to the timestamp here.
Starting point is 04:27:39 This is a question that was asked of Tony about the creative process in AEW. We've had a lot of questions about this. We've heard a lot of things about it. Let's find out what exactly the creative process is. Stop it whenever you want. Hi, Tony, Neil Flanagan from Post Wrestling. I wanted to ask you something about the creative process in AEW. And I know that you're not going to pull the curtain back altogether on this.
Starting point is 04:28:05 But I'm going to ask anyway, I think one of the, common themes of all in 2024 has been, it's been better received, I believe, in the build, the feud building, the storytelling. And I wonder, have you, is there a, is there any kind of change in your outlook on this? I mean, in your media call on Thursday, you did mention the kind of the input that went into the women's world title program. for example. And I think throughout the card, it was seen this year,
Starting point is 04:28:43 possibly more so than last year. You're the co-owner. What is this question? What is this fucking question? All right. Well, let's go to Tony's nodding and smiling the whole time. So he's having a good time here. You know,
Starting point is 04:29:01 who else is involved in? Is it RJ? Is it Chris Daniels? Is it Jimmy Jacobs? You know, can you? There's like 20. 27 people involved in the process. And it's like a football team when I go in and I, like, I'm at a football meeting where there's like a lot of people contributing ideas.
Starting point is 04:29:18 And you have like a dozen coaches on offense and a dozen coaches on defense. And everybody puts something in. And at the end of the day, I have to decide. And I get pitched hundreds and hundreds of ideas a week and I can do less than half of them. And some of them are great ideas that just don't make you sense because you need somebody else that somebody else had a better idea for us or that we were already. pretty far down the line with. And it's like a big map. And I get pitched hundreds of things.
Starting point is 04:29:45 Let me stop there for a moment. Oh, yeah. I was going to say, I'm just, I'm zoning out here at the, my jaw open, but there may be a bunch of people pitching ideas at a football meeting amongst all the football coaches. I've never been to one of those. And maybe that is necessary there. But Brian did.
Starting point is 04:30:09 27 people ever write a great murder mystery? Did 27 people ever write an Oscar winning movie? Did 27 people ever write a hit record? Maybe that. Maybe that. Some of those Beyonce songs have like 50 fucking writers. I don't know what's going on. Oh, come on.
Starting point is 04:30:29 But I have found traditionally and historically, the more people that were involved in creative, the worse the creative was because the less continuity and the less sense it makes and less balance it has and you can't get 27 people to agree on any goddamn thing and it's just a mess, it's just a cacophony there has to be a Tarantino or a Spielberg or somebody at the top of this thing going
Starting point is 04:31:05 Coco do. The minions, work it out. He's making it all about, and we'll go back to the rest of the audio here, all about the idea that people are pitching him these ideas. There are hundreds of ideas coming in a week. He could do less than half of them, he said. 27 people was the number he said. That help him with the show.
Starting point is 04:31:24 When you were booking, how much of your booking was you coming up with an idea, honing in on an idea, or hearing something and finding a way to do it your own way versus people coming up to you nonstop pitching things. And is that just something any wrestling booker or promoters going to deal with nonstop pitching? No, I did not encourage, I didn't encourage the nonstop pitching. In Smoky Mountain, you know, yes, there were like Horner and White Boy
Starting point is 04:31:55 wanted to do the angle they'd done in Alabama, or Kevin Sullivan would pitch some ideas, and Dr. Tom would, say something every now and then, or Tony and Tracy Smothers. But it wasn't like, people weren't trying to lobby me pitch ideas to get on the card because they were already on the card. And they weren't trying to get in the main event because they were making the same amount of money either way.
Starting point is 04:32:23 And all of my guys really were main eventers at some level or another. In terms of our roster, they were all recognized. So there wasn't a ton of, oh, can I do this? Can I do that? And they weren't people that were trying to change their gimmick and find themselves. Because they were established names except when I would bring in a rookie like Chris Candido, who did kind of metamorphosize over time over a few years as he got older and more experienced. Or, you know, that type of thing. and in OVW,
Starting point is 04:33:04 there were, sometimes there were ideas pitched, or I've mentioned the heartbreakers would go out, they shot their own videos, and other guys would bring in something that they'd have ideas for their presentation for, you know, the way that they looked or a new, you know, something to set them apart, but they weren't non-stop pitching ideas
Starting point is 04:33:28 because, let's face it, they were in wrestling school and I'd had 15 years experience so are they going to really pitch me a lot of shit and then in matter of fact they'd be pitching me a lot of shit but some and then
Starting point is 04:33:44 the guys on the card on the bottom at OVW just happy to be on the card the guys in the main events they're not only pitching ideas just for a spots or a promo or whatever about this but I would take
Starting point is 04:34:00 what they were doing in their matches, what they were saying in their promos, and I would have ideas for them that they could polish up. I love the thing you're doing here, this move, or the way you do that, do more of that. Work shit around that you can get some heat with that, or the thing you said, or when you guys do, whatever.
Starting point is 04:34:24 I just give them a little encouragement on shit they were already doing and so that they could develop shit. But it wasn't like there's a hundred guys around. This has never happened before. Before modern times and the WW and AEW were, there's a hundred guys and they're all pitching ideas to the writers because they're not on TV at all. Or they want to be on TV more.
Starting point is 04:34:50 We had to use everybody. See what I'm saying? It wasn't like there's just this whole entire bench of people that are just waiting around for an idea of how to unleash them on the world everybody was in the program they were just trying to be more involved and more featured
Starting point is 04:35:08 well let's go back to this audio here Jim I forgot we had more audio more on Tony Con or not more on excuse me Tony Con with more on more on Tony Con with more about the creative process in AEW let's go to this If I, you know, I have to decide.
Starting point is 04:35:29 So, but that's a lot like other sports. You know, this is a sport. And that's something I've been trying to like hammer into the people is like when people tell me, I've said that a lot this weekend, people tell me they're going to try to do something. And I say, that wouldn't fly and that doesn't fly because this is a sport. And like, if I was at Fulham and the captain of the team told me, I'm going to try to do that for you. Like, I've never heard that. And this is my ninth season as a sporting director.
Starting point is 04:35:51 And not one person has ever told me that. It's my 13th season as a professional sports executive. it in other sports. Nobody's ever told me I'm going to try to do something. Wait a minute. Nobody has ever told him in 13 years. I'm going to try to do something. What is he saying here?
Starting point is 04:36:07 Yeah, that's a very interesting thing. I think he's saying it more like it's, you know, it's not about try. It's about do. But on the other hand, it raises the question, do guys not feel comfortable, ask, or saying that to him, I'll try to do this to me. They have to say, yes, sir, no, sir, of course. God damn, go out and win the world poll, record. Okay, or I'll try. I mean, what? That's just an odd, an odd thing to, yeah, because he said lots of guys
Starting point is 04:36:37 came up to me earlier today and said they will try to do something. And I said, don't try. No one says try in any of my other athletic. Besides that, how is it like any other real sport, as he was saying, is it a sport like any other sport when they're trying to make you believe they're pouring gasoline on somebody I'm going to set them on fire? But go ahead. I can do it. And like, so like, that's how it works. And like in other sports and in this sport, like that's the whole point of having a head coach. Like, and there's lots of ideas.
Starting point is 04:37:11 And the cool part is we have like, like I said, there's probably 27, 30 people in any given week that will come in with different ideas trying to contribute to different parts of the thing. And it's like in football where you have like you have your quarterback coach, your running back coach, wide receivers coach, your tight ends coach, your offensive line coach, your assistant offensive line coach, your assistant offensive, you know, different people that are focused in different areas. And so I've got some people that might work with other people more than others. So like, you know, Jen would work with Mercedes, but she might work on promos with other people that she has a good rapport with. You know, I put together, like I said, I'd come up with ideas for RJ and, excuse me, I'd come up with ideas for Tony and Mariah.
Starting point is 04:37:53 and none of the coaches I had were really good for it because none of them understood what the fuck I was talking about. And everybody... What he's saying there is classic movies. He's talking about classic films. RJ City, apparently he was the only person there who has ever watched a black and white film. Oh, Christ, on a cracker.
Starting point is 04:38:11 And also, he said his coaches, in other words, the ex-wrestlers, the producers, the agents or whatever, they have no idea what I'm talking about. There might be a reason for that. Dustin, come here. Let's talk about Sunset Boulevard. What? He was looking at me like all about even Sunset Boulevard. Like, what do you want me to do? And like, so there was only one person in the back that even like knew the references. So like that's how RJ got involved in the creative process and he does a good job on things. Jimmy is really good because Jimmy is the only person that goes to every show. I go to every show.
Starting point is 04:38:45 There's nobody else in the company besides Jimmy missed maybe like two shows in the last year. But like he probably has the best attendance record of certainly. anybody in the back office and almost anybody in the entire company's... Wait a minute. Wait a wait what. Hold on. Jimmy Jacobs shows up. That's big. Well, no, but more importantly, who's not showing up? They have
Starting point is 04:39:05 two days of taping a week. How is it allowed that the agents, the producers, the creative team members, they're not there at all of them? God damn. Even when I had
Starting point is 04:39:23 very little, if anything, to do when I was on the way to moving to back to Louisville in 99 and finishing up the office duties in Stanford, I had to ask JR specifically if I could not go to television
Starting point is 04:39:38 because I'm only going to be here for another three weeks anyway. Every I, if you work for Vince McMahon on the creative team or you're an agent or whatever, every time that they putting something on tape, you were fucking there. And I mean, that's for years at a time.
Starting point is 04:39:59 I can't remember from February of 96 to past February of 99 that I ever missed a TV taping or a pay-per-view. Ever. Sick, well, weather catastrophes, whatever the case. These people just come when they
Starting point is 04:40:23 want to. Again, let's go back to this. He's talking about Jimmy Jacobs in the office. So just to have a stenographer and like one person that's hearing everything, people come in and say, Jimmy will contribute some ideas, but he gets way too much shit online because people think Jimmy's putting this in that and that.
Starting point is 04:40:39 He's not putting a lot of stuff in. He's really good because he's like the guy that's there every week. He's not biased on anybody's stuff or in towards any one person. He has done a lot of stuff with Chris over the years, but it's not like Jimmy is the one saying what we put in with Chris's stuff, because I deal with Chris every week. So too many fucking first names. Who's Chris?
Starting point is 04:40:57 Jericho. So who do we blame for Jericho? Jimmy Jacobs or Tony Khan? That's what I don't understand. And so it's like a big thing. We have this really, really good group of people. But at the end of the day, it's like a football team. And like on defense and then it's like you have the other locker room.
Starting point is 04:41:17 And you have, like, it's in one locker room, but it's, you know, two half time. You're in one side or the other side or the special team. specialist. There's some people from each group that go over to those meetings, too. Just stop. Just stop. Okay. No, I'm telling him, just stop talking.
Starting point is 04:41:33 Just stop talking. It's a lot like a sports team, but yet there's certainly elements of acting and entertainment and show business to it. And that's how when I get asked, like yesterday in the dressing room at Folham, when the players ask about the wrestling and a lot of them were here and Marco was here, which is really cool. would have Marco Silva here. He's doing such a great job of Fulham.
Starting point is 04:41:54 Marco Polo? Who is Marco Polo? No, Marco Silva. Okay, who's he? He must be with Fulham. Well, Tony's certainly full of himself. Go ahead. With him, and we're in our fourth year working together,
Starting point is 04:42:08 and I think he's just so fantastic, and it's so great that he would bring his family to this. And so I really think that what we've got, it's pretty cool. There's a number of other people that do a great, job on other things too like video, video packages, tying things together. And also a lot of it is the coaches. You mentioned like Chris Daniels.
Starting point is 04:42:29 There's Sanjay, there's Pat Buck, you know, in addition to the people I already mentioned. Sarah Stock does a great job as a coach, Jerry Lynn, and, you know, about 10 others. Also, because we do, what's crazy is there's no offseason. So it's 52 weeks a year. So like I said, it's a grind to make all the shows. I take a lot of pride in doing the-
Starting point is 04:42:50 It's a grind to me. They go what? Ho, ho, ho. Ho. Merry Christmas. Wednesday night and Saturday night. And once a month of pay-per-view. How is that a fucking grind?
Starting point is 04:43:06 Jesus Christ. And there's more writers than there are wrestlers on the TV show. How, what kind of budget is he bleeding with all these people? And obviously none of them get to do their job. the way they would do it because there's 20 other people running into them having double knockouts trying to do the same shit. It's insane. You don't take ideas from...
Starting point is 04:43:34 You take ideas from everywhere. You do not give 27 different people access to cluttering your fucking head up. And again, it's a movie. You have a writer, a director, a producer, and minions, and sometimes the writer and director are often the same guy and the promoter is the producer, he's the money,
Starting point is 04:44:02 and then you get people to do the music or the audio or the video, but it's you, it's controlling these things. And if you're just having a big free-for-all where everybody's pitching shit and you're just trying to sift it out and put it in a format, no wonder this thing's so,
Starting point is 04:44:22 schizophrenic. I apologize. I won't interrupt again. No, there's only a few more seconds for this and then we have another question, but let's get to this. And like, uh, in doing so, like I said, it's good to have like different people that are specialists, almost like in pro football or college football where people focus on different things. I think this year, it's helped because last year we had literally just launched collision. I frankly think it's an easier environment backstage at collision than it was a year ago to do things. I think it's a lot easier flow between the two shows than it was a year ago. I think the locker room is in a much better place than it was a year ago, as evidenced by like when we came
Starting point is 04:45:04 up here versus what happened here a year ago. And like, and I think it's much easier job I have dealing because I had to deal with the people on collision last year. And it's a much easier meeting process to put the TV together than it was a year ago at this time too, if that makes sense. Let me stop it there for a second, because what I thought was going to be the next question, actually is just him continuing on with this question. Well, that makes perfect sense because last year you had a brand new show with high hopes and started out with a big number called Collision, and it had a major mainstream star to head it up.
Starting point is 04:45:37 And this year, you've managed to let all of the children that work for you run off all of the big names that are serious about drawing money and having a good product, so it's much easier to get along. As long as you still continue to pay all those people, all the money that they're not earning. so he's taking a shot at punk there but oh it's so much easier now the only reason that there was a problem
Starting point is 04:46:02 with collision last year was because it was a show designed to keep the biggest star in the company away from the fucking mealy-mouthed little whiners that didn't like him and you put the biggest star in a company on the new show on Saturday night that was not going to draw the viewership of the flagship show
Starting point is 04:46:24 and then fired him so that now nobody watches Saturday night. So yeah, there's a lot less strife in his locker room now that everybody's making their money. Nobody has to work with people they don't want to work with. And Tony's still losing a fortune, but he doesn't care because he's having fun. Just another few seconds to this, and then we'll wrap this up.
Starting point is 04:46:51 because we were obviously dealing with a lot of things going into the Wembley last year which obviously showed up and like uh but today was I thought the most spectacular day I've ever had and I was saying to Brian yes we don't know what Brian has to say Wednesday and we don't know what's to come of this but there's some uncertainty going into Brian's future to say to least and you have the AEW world champion and somebody I personally I you know I care so much about and you have two people in Brian and Sting. And I wouldn't have said it,
Starting point is 04:47:24 but Brian said it right before he walked out that I dragged him kicking and screaming to this point because it was like with Sting, these are the two most unselfish people in the history of the sport, the two most selfless people. And in the same calendar year, to be able to sit here next to Sting,
Starting point is 04:47:40 retiring as an undefeated world champion after putting in the best three-year run he could have possibly had to close out his career. and redefining Sting's legacy, somebody I grew up watching since I was a little boy. Before the first time I ever saw a wrestling match in person, I was watching Sting on TV on TBS. And to be able to put Sting on TBS
Starting point is 04:48:00 and send him off the right way and make sure... Well, stop it here. Gee, I was about to say, is it 2 o'clock in the morning there yet? It may be now, yes. And he hadn't slowed down. No. You know, again, they had the incident earlier in the night where Jack Perry had the glass smoke.
Starting point is 04:48:19 moment and I got the fans going and naturally everyone noticed what that was and the significance of the, you know, of the symbolism, actually, I guess you should say. And then here's Tony making little comments about things a year ago. Any issue with any of this? Is it worth it doing it now? Or is this a way for all these guys to put this all to bed and move on? What do you think? No, they'll never put it to bed. They'll never, they can't get over it. They're still talking about it. and that's a thing. They've had a two-hour pre-show, a four-hour main show, and now they're doing a media scrum past midnight in London,
Starting point is 04:48:59 and Tony is spending his time droning on and on about how great everything is, but also having to make sure that everybody knows, well, you know, once we got rid of the problem or whatever, it's so much easier now. They just love to talk. They just love to And we're talk radio hosts, right?
Starting point is 04:49:20 But that's our job. It is not Tony Kahn's job to sit there and talk for hours about how great everything is, he thinks. After fucking midnight, when they've already had hours and hours to show everybody how great everything is. They're all marks for themselves.
Starting point is 04:49:40 They are convinced they are superstars. And God damn, at least shut up once in a while. Put him on a midnight curfew. You can't talk after midnight, Tony. Give us eight hours. You can't talk till the sun comes up. Well, that was Tony Kahn talking until the sun came up at the AEW all-in media scrum.
Starting point is 04:50:08 Jim, before we get out of here, and this is your show, actually, you'll make that decision. But, uh... Okay, good. I'm done. No, what about you? Well, big news that has happened that I'm sure we'll probably say for the drive-through, because we've gone for a while, but we want to at least acknowledge it, and we'll do a proper segment about it.
Starting point is 04:50:22 But Sid Vicious, Sid Justice, Sid Udi, has passed away. Yeah, and obviously we just heard about this as we were trying to, you know, get our internet issues fixed up and wrap up this program that we'd already planned. I was not aware, apparently cancer, which he had for several years. I was not aware of that, but his son apparently sent the news. out, 63 years old, started in the Memphis territory because he's from
Starting point is 04:50:53 West Memphis, Arkansas. And so I saw him on and off pretty much, you know, through his whole career. And an iconic look, iconic name and visage and everything, and another guy that
Starting point is 04:51:11 when you go back and look, his full-time wrestling, career was brief. It wasn't, what was it, 13 years, but at the same time, he was so many places and so high profile and nobody else looked like that
Starting point is 04:51:27 that everybody remembers images he was omnipresent. So we've told some stories on the program in the past about it was not easy to work with Sid as a creative team member,
Starting point is 04:51:43 as a promoter, as a an office personnel or anything like that. But the fans, you know, he could get over with very little effort just by looking like that and doing what he did and the people would go crazy over him. But then he didn't have the longevity because he would never stay in one place before something happened that he had to go. and so, you know, we'll try to to talk more and do him justice, no pun intended,
Starting point is 04:52:23 on the drive-thru this week. That is correct. Well, that and so much more. One last thing before we wrap up, some breaking news. The Cornett curse has continued. Oh, come on. We have something here that was just sent in. Liberace's lover, Scott Thorson, dead at 65. Well, there you go. We just talked about him.
Starting point is 04:52:48 So if we talk about somebody, they are not long for this world is what now we're finding out. It appears that a random name that we mention on shows gets picked by Satan regularly. I'm not sure what's happening. Well, no, this wouldn't be Satan necessarily. This would be death. Old man death himself, right? You can go up or you can go down, but when you die, you're going one place or another. So it could be the visage of death visiting these people, regardless of whether they're good or bad people.
Starting point is 04:53:26 Just because we called them on it. Yeah, we called it out, but just how twisted it was. Liberace had his boyfriend slash onstage assistant get plastic surgery to look like a younger version of himself. Twisted and crazy, I'll say. Well, and now he looks like a younger version of Liberace, because Liberachi, because Liberacee's dead too. That's true. Isn't Liberace dead?
Starting point is 04:53:50 Oh, he died a very long time ago, 87, 88, 87 maybe. What? No, he had Liberacee hadn't been dead that long. Yes, he has. How long do you think he's been dead? Look it up. Liberacee was kicking 20 years ago, wasn't he? Yeah, he was hanging out with Randy Archer.
Starting point is 04:54:07 Hold on. It's Randy Atcher to you. Randy Atcher, excuse me. Before we go, we're going to find out when Liberacee died and how old he was when that happened. Liberace was born May 16th, 1919, West Alice, Wisconsin. He died February 4th, 1987, 67 years old in Palm Springs, California. Now, how did you just nail that instantly? You just knew the exact year that Liberace died. How was that possible? I just Googled it. What do you mean? No, but I mean before when you were just talking about it, you were like, he's been dead since like 87.
Starting point is 04:54:40 Very simple. He was at WrestleMania 1, which was 1985. At that point, he already had AIDS and no knew it. He died pretty quickly after that. I knew he wasn't around by the end of the 80s, so that takes out 89 and 90. So then we're looking at 86, 87, 88. I didn't think it was 88. That seems like it was too deep into the 80s. So then we're looking at 86 and 87. I think he had at least one more year after Mania. So I went with 87. That's the way my mind works. And that's, that's been guess the program. All right, we've done a lot this time. We're going to come back and do even more of it on the drive-through and the omnibus season is coming up while our
Starting point is 04:55:16 schedules are fecocta and more experiences coming next week or thereabouts and until then thank you fuck you and bye-bye everybody

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