Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 559: Sorry, Wrong Number

Episode Date: November 22, 2024

This week on the Experience, Jim talks about Observer's 2024 Hall Of Fame Class, The Rock in GQ, go-kart racing with Randy Savage, Evansville wrestling history, Popeye's Chicken, Tyson vs. Paul, and much more! Plus Jim reviews WWE Smackdown and previews AEW Full Gear!  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The midnight and the rock and roll He's in a fight for wrestling soul Using a racket and some mind control He's Jim Cornet The keys to the future Helped by the past and with tag deep art Onet Well he's next

But not as disconnected from reality As Uncle Dave Meltzer is And can Netflix connect The Fans to Raw in January? It's the sorry wrong number edition of the Jim Coronet Experience and joining me, of course, you've got his number.

Hawaiian Brian, the podcasting Lion, the King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. Co-host to you, he's never wrong, he's never sorry, and he got everybody's number. The great Brian Last, everybody. Hello, hi, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again.

That's the other one. For another fun week of wrestling talk, we have, like, topics galore this. week. Yeah, but then, and we already had notes. Notice I said you're never wrong with the numbers. I didn't say anything about the notes. What's that supposed to mean? Well, read into it what you will. Sorry Wrong Number was one of Mama Cornette's favorite movies. Are you an aficionado of the film noir classic that is Sorry Wrong Number? I am not. Tell me about it. You have not watched this fine feature motion picture starring Barbara Stanwick. Does that give it away? Are you, you've seen it?

you just don't know the title. Hence, when I said, I have not seen it, I have not seen it. Oh, come on. You come on. It was based on an old radio show, one of the, it wasn't an inner sanctum, but one of the radio dramas back in the golden age of radio. And this woman is an invalid, and she's in bed and she's very, she's in a swanky place, and she's very swanky.

She's talking like this, you know, Barbara Stanwick in the early 40s. And her husband goes out of town on a business trip, and she's there alone, and somehow the nurse has to leave, and she is always on the telephone because she's bedridden, and she's a drama queen, and she's a hypochondriac, you can tell. And she's also probably pretty bossy, right? But since it's all her money and her husband is, you know, is working for a living, but anyway, she gets on the phone. got one of those princess phones that you know the big glory well not i guess those those were the princess phones were the little teenage phones in the 70s is this a tommy storm writing session what is this well let's go r j what's going on i'm pretty sure that r j city would have scripted some sorry wrong number into this if he'd have thought of it she's got one of those elaborate phones that the

they used to have in the 40s and she's on the phone and she gets the lines crossed and she hears a murder being plotted between two surly sounding characters. And then she immediately, and this is why Mama Cornett loved it because she remembered these days, but I've always wanted to live in the time where you could pick the phone up and just talk to the operator in person, just immediately. Why? Wouldn't that be cool? Because she's sitting there, oh, operator, I've just heard the most ghastly conversation

between these two horrid men planning some sort of crime. And I don't want you to get me that number back immediately. Well, I don't, I didn't call them. I was trying to make a phone call. And the lines were somewhat mixed up. Surely you can get to the bottom of this.

I'm sorry, madam. Oh, boy. But unless you give me the number, I cannot connect you to your party. It was all so terribly... Timeless Jim Cornett. Well, it was also so terribly of... You're right, it was terribly.

No, it was, it was so terribly chic is what it was. So anyway, come to find out. The terrible chic. Wouldn't you know who won the pony? That the murder she was hearing plotted was her own. Oh, wow. That's a twist. Yes, and there's a whole thing where other people get involved and there's an investigator and the blah, blah, blah.

What did she do? Why did she piss people all so much? Oh, well, you see, I don't want to spoil the whole movie. I'm not watching it. I'm not going to watch it. Well, somebody out there is gonna. Sorry wrong number with Barbara Stanwick. Mama Cornett recommends it, like the guy on Seinfeld.

What was his name? Remember the fucking video store episode where Elaine fell in love with the guy that was making the picks? Oh, what was his name? Fuck. Come to find it. Vincent. That's right.

It was Vincent's picks. and come to find out he was like a 14-year-old pimply-faced kid that had him had her bring him a gallon of vodka and a cart of cigarettes. But folks, we're going to do some great fucking radio here today because that's what we're doing. Yeah, that's right. Because I got, this is one of those days.

Listen to all this. I've got pads. I've got notes. I've got emails. But I have no order. No order to this chaos. We're just going to just pick things off the list and talk about it. it because I've had one of those weeks and so today I'm going to adopt it well it's it's

been a long week see my last week never ended for me it's been so long so I don't care if we don't actually do a professional program here today we're going to just pick and grab at it I don't care I don't care what they think of me it won't be distressful if I'm not successful because I don't care. Because I've had to face mortality again, Brian. I'm getting older. I'm having to give up all of, you know, you've got to give up at one point or another in your life.

You start out not being able to do anything but eat, cry, and shit. And then you end up the same way. And in between, you pick things up that you like to do and then you slowly have to give them up. Now, a lot of my contemporaries, as they've gotten to my age group, they've had to give up the drugs or the alcohol or the strippers. You know what I've realized over the last couple days I've got to give up now? No. The Popeyes. Oh, I didn't realize you ate Popeyes that often. The Popeyes chicken, well, I don't. And that's why I suddenly realized I've got to give it up. It wasn't like a thing that came on gradually because I was eating it four times a week.

I know I have the reputation, but I don't eat a lot of fast food anymore because I'm not traveling. You know, I've mentioned I poisoned myself by not fully baking the chicken and garlic Papa Murphy's calzoni a couple months ago. And the Papa Murphy's I don't consider, which I still don't indulge more. than probably a couple times a month, and the Papa Murphy's take and bake pizza, but that's not really fast food. That's a fine quality pizza that you can bake in the oven

at your convenience. It's not fast food, it's frozen pizza. It's never frozen. Oh. What do you know? You don't have Papa Murphy's up there. I don't even know what that is. No, we have the real places.

We have the real joints up here. I don't know what. Well, remind me to go back to my original topic of the Popeye's chicken here in a second, but first, no, Papa Murphy's is a storefront. For the mob? No, it's a store. There's somebody racing a motor.

It's a front for the mob? What is this? Can you hear the noise behind me? Now, now I sound like you. But I swear to God, I'm looking out the window. What I'll bring God into this? It sounds like the house is shaking. It sounds like somebody's racing a motor.

There's a helicopter. So, you know, Stacy said, she asked me, yesterday. She says, Brian all right. She said he keeps hearing, I don't hear any noises. She said, is Jace editing them out? Is Brian just imagining that? I said, well, it's a little bit

of both. But anyway, Papa Murphy's is a storefront and you go in and they make, they have dough. And instead of you cooking it at, making it at home, they'll spread you out fresh dough and they'll put on the toppings that you request and desire.

And then they'll hand you the pizza and you take it home and you just put it in the oven but it's not frozen it's it's it's a it's a fine quality italian dish but nevertheless back to pop eyes no this past weekend i i got energetic for once and i'll have you know that uh the big sale going on at jim cordad dot com i'll make this a plug at the same time out of nowhere out of nowhere We're going to talk. It's the cause of all this. It's what's causing all this.

So I spent like nine fucking hours on Saturday all day. Whenever Harley didn't want to go out and take a piss, signing action figures that have been ordered at Jim Cornett.com. And it's not just, you know, you see, they show the video of John Cena signing 3,000 autographs in 14 minutes or whatever. and he's going down and somebody just handing him pictures of friends. These are all personalized.

This is not fast food autographs. They're done to order. To Claude. Congratulations on your bowel movement. Your friend Jim Corny at that type of thing. Thunderbolt. You got to you know he had one. So

I've got to read what the request is and then I've got to write that And then I've got to put it aside in the box that the feather bottoms can then take on off with and put the labels on and ship and track and things. And also, you know, there's a penutting process. And we're thinking about getting one of those commercial spray foam machines. Oh, no way. It would cut down on the pinnuting.

But then we just can't figure out how to get the goddamn action figure out of the spray foam. But anyway, so I did that for nine. hours and Stacey, what do you want for dinner? Because it's already in, it's so pitch black dark this time of year. Foggin' Jesus Christ, 5.30 at night, it's dark. I see, you know what? I said, I haven't had a lot. I want some fried chicken.

There's a Popeye's chicken right down the road. And we get in there on the Grubhub or the Uber Eats or whatever they do this. One of those things. a guy brought, he didn't dash, he drove up the driveway. Oh. But he drove right up and brought us the, so I got some Popeye's chicken. And the same thing that I've always eaten when I've eaten Popeyes to pass, but it's been months and months since I've had Popeyes.

But I got the spicy chicken with the blackened ranch that I like to dip or sprinkle on or whatever the case may be. And I had, didn't even get the biscuits and the red beans and rice, because I had twice baked potato that it was here left over from the previous night from Paul's Market and some green beans and there you go.

There's a good old fried chicken, potatoes and green beans. What can be more southern than that? I've eaten that countless times in my life, right? And I went to bed and I woke up early the next morning, I was turned over sleeping mostly on my chest and stomach with my head turned to the side,

the side that it will turn with my bad neck. And the way that I was awoken-fied at 5 o'clock or whatever in the morning was because somehow I had had a little bit of indigestion and heartburn, as they call it, overnight while I was asleep and didn't know about it. But at this point, my body decided, even though this motherfucker's asleep, we need to burp. And when I burped

face down with that indigestion going on all night, I awoke with the scalding burning in my throat of I had burped up some type of stomach intestinal acid into my esophageal lining and it all of a sudden

was like I'd drunk fucking bleach. I sit straight up, bolt up right, and I start coughing. And my throat is like you drunk scalding battery acid. And I'm choking, and I'm reaching for a goddamn sprite zero left over from the night before on a nightstand, and I'm guzzling this fucking thing. And I have no idea what happened to it. And then all I can taste is Popeye's chicken and hot battery acid.

And I'm like, holy shit. Sounds like Louisiana. Has that? Well, yes. Many times hot battery acid was tossed in my direction. That is, so now I've got to give up the Popeye's chicken. I'm too old for this shit. That's not fair.

Do you think you have lost your immunity to a lot of these things because you haven't been frequent in your old, your old hangouts, your old drive-bys? Well, you know, I always thought that a person needed to eat plenty of grease and like, you know, fried food because that way it gets in your bloodstream and it lubricates you and keeps your blood moving smoothly. And if all you had was fiber

and all those brand muffins and everything, well, that would clog you up, like leaves and a gutter and your blood would just stagnate. But now apparently I'm stagnated. Because you changed your diet. You got healthier. Well, you know, this health stuff is highly overrated because your body will turn on you

just because you have eight or nine pieces of spicy Popeyes dipped in blackened ranch it's bullshit I say all right well what are we doing here um speaking of health and I did talk about the action figures I was signing

guess who's got pneumonia new monia who's that Hachka's feather bottom I never would have guessed. Hodgka's feather bottom got a new, and before anybody thinks this is some kind of goddamn ploy that you're not going to get your shit.

No, he's powered through it. He was down in bed for two days. So walking pneumonia? Well, that's what he called it. And I'll, you know, maybe that's where he got pneumonia. I'd walk it around in this odd weather, I don't have any idea, but if I had pneumonia, I wouldn't be walking around telling people about it.

I'd be in bed to get a sorry wrong number. But anyway, he was done. down for a couple of days, but we have almost matched our goal. And I would say that by the time that he finishes processing what he's got and I just signed by this coming weekend, if you've ordered anything since like November the fucking 10th, I believe we're going to be caught up with you. We're struggling back through this backlog. and the reason for all of that is because the big finale,

the big blow-off, the main event, the final November weekly sale, is going to be the Midnight Express four-pack, the action figure boxed set with all four of us, plus the book, the certificate of authenticity, and the autographed picture, November 22nd at noon eastern through December 3rd at noon, Eastern, 10 whole days to encompass the Thanksgiving weekend and frivolity therein,

$40 off for the four packs. These bad boys ain't going to get any cheaper. I'm just going to tell you that right now, because it's still being paired out four ways amongst the Midnight Express and Bobby's kids, so we can't, we just can't do this without going bankrupt. And, you know, it costs a lot of. money to go bankrupt these days. So anyway, Hotchkiss is fighting through his illness, orders are still going out, and if you

order by December 3rd, if you want it by Christmas, and if you live in Tanzania somewhere, you're pressing the issue right now, but domestically especially, by the time that we can get it and I can sign it the way you like it, and then we can get it back out to you, it'd be a good idea to say, if I wanted by Christmas, order through that December 3rd period, and you get 40 bucks off the four pack. But I'm glad to hear, Brian,

that you were so sympathetic or empathetic or whatever, just a decent human to Hotchkis here, fighting through, you ought to hear him coughing. Poor little thing, he sounds like a chipmunk. What'd you say? He's in a coffin? You ought to hear him coughing.

Oh. Every time I try to talk to him, he's like, well, Jim, I've never heard him so sick. You've worked him too much, poor guy. Well, at least he's still walking. So, oh, I got emails. Oh. I told you I had no order. There's no, there's just notes and things on scraps of paper.

Aren't you going to sing the Jim reads his email song? He's reading his emails, his wonderful emails, he's reading his emails, his wonderful emails, and it's all from the cult. All right, now it's official. All righty, this is from Frank Culbertson out there in the Portland territory, one of the top guys out in the Portland territory, Brian. One of the top historians out there, absolutely. Ab said he's talking about one of the other ones. It's like the Lawler and Dundee of Portland, Mike Rogers.

Mike Rogers has another... One of the top historians out there. Yes. So there you go. But Mike Rogers has another book coming out. Did you know about this? It's all about panties. No, that's not the one.

That's not the Mike Rogers or that's not the book? No, that's not the Mike Rogers book. Oh. It's this Mike Rogers book. Actually, it's a collection of stories I am told from his 30 years as an educator. which normal people refer to as school teachers. But do you know what? Because I should say

that Mike doesn't always write about boring topics like his own life. Mike has done umpteen books about the Pacific Northwest history and the encyclopedias of folks that have worked their way through there. He had one of the longest running wrestling newsletters of all time, ring around the Northwest.

See, I did that right in. tune with you. Which became a fascinating newsletter because as the territory died, it was just all this behind the scenes drama with the athletic commission. It became really interesting, and he was the only guy really covering it. And the best thing was, it was

still interesting, even though it was like one show ran last week in the parking lot of a fucking appliance store, but then there's seven pages on what the promoters and the commission are trying to do to each other. And then like every other month, it's like, Billy Jack Haynes is trying to do this. Yes.

And then the next month it's Billy Jack Haynes has gone away. Buddy Rose was seen. But anyway, but this book is about it. He's been a teacher and actually he has a real human being with a life also. But the title of it is Squirrel Paws. Did you hear me correctly, Brian? I heard you correctly. I have no idea what that means.

Squirrel Paws. Well, the explanation for that is squirrel paws was the. the tactic that Mike was taught toward the ends of his teaching career, one of these modern things, to fend off students who attacked him, like put up your hands and just try to bat the incoming blows away,

like with squirrel paws. What kind of school is this? Well, apparently, it's, you know, one of the modern techniques for dealing with this thing. When I was a kid, it would have been, if you were old enough to punch somebody in the face, you were old enough to get punched in a fucking face. And that's why fewer people got punched in a fucking fate.

I mean, every now and then a kid would wild out and go after the teacher, but it was a rare thing. It sounds like this was a frequent thing where he had to come up with a tactic. Well, apparently, it was like, you know, This is Miami? No, out in Oregon. Yeah, what the hell? Like the Duckin cover with the communist threat of nuclear war in the 60s,

and they had the bomb plans and now the shooting drills. And also they teach the teachers how to fucking fend off. like a ninja. But anyway, here there's something else about Frank's email, but that's a plug for Mike's book because Lord knows he needs it. But Frank also said,

remember we were talking in one of the Raycon ads about it doesn't even matter how wide your head is because these things, they can be far enough apart to fit any, you know, fucking like football-shaped head like Stewie Griffin or whatever, just a variety of these things.

But we didn't know the technical verbosity behind it Brian you see what I'm saying we didn't know what to call these things so Frank has filled it in and filled us in on head size as we were speaking about on the podcast

the word for one whose head breadth is greater than 75% of its length now length we're going top of the head to the bottom of the chinny chin right and then the breadth would be the space from ear to ear.

Are we all on the same page? It's very important. I don't know what page you're on. What exactly are we talking about here? We're talking about different terms for the different shapes of heads that we were talking about before. Oh, yeah, of course. Yes. I used to read about that and ring around the Northwest.

Yes, because Mike modeled for the... But nevertheless, a person... He modeled for what? Model for the abnormally shaped head. So a person whose head breadth width, width, maybe, is greater than 75% of its length is called a brachycephalic. B-R-A-C-H-Y-C-E-H-Y C-E-H-A-L-I-C,

brachycephalic. I guess where I'm confused is how did we end up here? Weren't we just talking about a squirrel technique and students attacking teachers? Yes, that's about Mike's book, but Frank also knows things about head. And he's telling us about the head terminology. Or he knows things about heads, I guess, plural.

Get back to your head game. I'll stay out of this. Well, and yes, you hood me, baby, head. That's, but now, so that's the, the wide head is brachycephalic. If you let me get this out, people are trying to take notes here. But if a person whose head whose width is less than 75% of its length, a long-headed person, that means you're from ear to ear is less than 70% of its length, 75% of from the top of your head to the bottom of your chin.

You have pinheaditis. Well, no, that is called Dolochoecephalic. D-O-L-I-C-H-H-O-C-E-P-H-A-L-C-A-L-C-C-E-L-C-E-L-C-L-C-E-L-C-O-O-C-L-C-O-C-L-O-C-O-C-O-C-E-C-E. Dolichot. Dolicho is my name and long face is my game. There you go. I saw that movie, Dolichow. And Frank finishes, concludes in my family,

we call Dolichoecephalic heads as the Coburtson head. Buying hats for this type of head is difficult. So if you want to get Frank Coburtson a hat, remember Dolichochochof. fits the whole, pretty much the whole family. From him, Zippy Culbertson, his brother was maybe an exception. Did we ever get an explanation to what exactly the squirrel technique was? Yes, I said that.

You were too busy scoffing and laughing at it. It's like your squire. When did you last sit and watch the squirrels? I have squirrels all the time out here, but I mean, I don't chase them or attack them or anything. No, I'm not talking about. Is that what you do? Do you attack the squirrels? Oh, God, damn.

Do you eat them too? No, I will not. No, people stay away from my squirrels. I love my squirrels. They're so cute. But no, do you sit and watch them, how they act, how they behave, their movements, their activities? Yeah, they're sneaky little fuckers.

Well, they're minding their own business out in nature, eating nuts wherever they can be found. But if they rear up on their hind legs and they've got their little, their little front paws kind of wiggling around in front of them, either they're eating a nut or they're they're just playing with the other, that's the squirrel paws. It's just you can't really go through and just punch that fucking juvenile delinquent. It's attacking you in the face. You've got to just fend off his blows with the little squirrel paws. And that's the technique that they...

I thought it was going to be menopause for squirrels. Squirrel paws. Why do you have to bring a show that's already... Already pretty low down into the complete gutter with... jokes about menstruating rodents. Are they rodents? Well, I think, isn't a squirrel? It's a mammal, but isn't a squirrel, a kind of a, a lot of people call them tree rats.

They're very dismissive of the cuteness that is the American squirrel. That's a slur against the squirrel community. That's true. And I don't want to be known as an anti-squarite. I don't use those words. But where were I? What were you asking? I was asking about the squirrel.

You said you collect squirrels and? Do you stuff to that? I don't collect squirrels. No. I don't. You threw me the goddamn. I was trying to make a point about the curve. It was a curve ball.

The curve ball. The squirrels are cute and nice and we like the squirrels here, but the pause is the technique because you don't sit and watch them with appreciation for them. You know, I knew this show is going to be ridiculous today, but it's much better than I ever would have thought. You just, you won't keep up with what's going on. keep dragging us back into minutia. All right, I'll go on Brian, pause.

No, you don't need to, now don't be getting in a snit. I'm looking at my notes here. Oh, here's an email that I got. Remember we were talking about, and this may be straightened up and fly right here, because this is history we've got to do correctly for the record. We were talking about the collaboration between Dick, the Bruiser and Jerry Jarrett in 1982

when Bruiser and I saw an ad, Bruiser had run Market Square Arena I think for the last time in 1981 and it Bruiser and God damn it may have been Snyder versus the Kelly twins Pat and Mike Kelly and Market Square Arena in 1981

can you imagine how abysmal that may have been I was afraid you were going to say Ox Baker was one of the opponents and I was thinking oh that must have been abysmal no it But nevertheless, and we've talked about just recently also when Bruiser and Snyder more or less strong-armed a piece of Louisville and Evansville, Indiana from Jerry Jarrett when he opened back up in the early 70s, right?

We had that discussion recently. And that was from a question from Dave Dynasty. That's right. A great historian. Well, boy, you're throwing around the word, hold on here one second. Wait a minute. See, that's the key to getting your letters read on the air, ladies and gentlemen. You've got to be a great historian out there.

You got to be a great historian out there. You're throwing that around like, you know, Jimmy Hart saying baby. But anyway, it's fascinating because we've been talking a lot about various times where promoters have had wars. We talked about Sheik and the Bruiser, we covered the Atlanta wrestling war. But on a local level, there were still these little skirmishes going on

in the territory days that until you look back and uncover, you don't really know the extent of or what happened. And when we've talked about Louisville history, remember I said, Phil Golden's All-Star Wrestling that competed with Jarrett in Louisville and in other places. in 1972 and 73.

First of all, Phil Golden was either the brother or the cousin of Bill Golden, who was a member of the Welsh family by marriage and with Nick and Roy behind Jarrett in Louisville. In effect, you had members of the family

run in opposition each other, which I always found fascinating. But Angelo Pafo was involved in that promotion, and he later on, five years later, with his sons, Randy and Lanny would open up ICW in these same markets, try to do the same thing in the same place.

And there's some additional information on a bruiser and or Jarrett and or Goulis in Evansville that Sean Delaney has done, because Sean Delaney has done the history of Evansville wrestling. You know, he's an adequate historian. Well, I see, boy, Sean's thinking, why the fuck did you have to call him on that right before he mentioned my name? Dave Dynasty gave me 50 bucks.

Well, Sean will beat that. Oh, hey, Sean, give me a call. He'll come up with at least 5250. All right. But Sean, because Evansville, Indiana was its own territory with its own local promoter and owned television in the late 50s and then got swept up into, you know, using the Barnett talent in Indiana. that happened

and at the same time the local promoter was out of business and so Evansville had been dark as they used to call it in those days for most of the last half of the 60s and we found out also the the old Coliseum in Evansville

was in oh God Sean's going to kill me because it's in his book and I read it but the city owned it and they had turned it for some reason into another type of facility where they were doing some kind of things with schools or whatever, right? So the only place to have wrestling was Robert Stadium, which was an indoor arena, even though it sounds like an outdoor arena, but it seats like 10 or 12,000.

It was just very big, right? So Evansville, Indiana, no live wrestling. Louisville, Kentucky, no live wrestling. Lexington, Kentucky, no live wrestling. A strip of Interstate 64 going from really Southern Illinois all the way over through to into West Virginia. A lot of the towns were dark as a result of bruiser taking over the Indiana portion of Barnett's territory, and this was too far down for the sheik. So a bunch of towns got lost in the shuffle.

Did that set the stage properly, Brian? has set the stage, yes. Now open the curtain. Yes, and overture curtain lights. So Evansville, the argument about was it still Bruiser in Snyder's Town? Well, they ran Evansville for a few months in 1968. The Coliseum was unavailable, so they had to use Robert's Stadium. And Sean thinks they peaked with a show that drew around 2,500 people. which may be one of the bigger crowds in Evansville history, but fell to about 500 before they pulled the plug, including dropping the TV in November and December.

And 500 people would have been an average and kind of on the poor end crowd in the 70s for Jarrett, but in the Coliseum, which you, you could get 2,000 people in with Vaseline, right? And it was a lot cheaper to rent. What a historic building. You can smell the mildew a mile away. But then Sean also says

it was because Evansville came after Louisville. Around the time Jared had Louisville up and running, he got the TV deal with WTVW Channel 7, which is the station that would air Jared's show for most of the period of time he ran Evansville for all those years. And Sean thinks that's what got Breuser and Snyder's attention and why they made their trip. I'm pretty sure that Louisville doing 5,000 people

and some of those early days, you know, weekly shows probably got their attention before he opened up Evansville. I think Evansville, well, here's another town, right? This all used to be, it was probably an exacerbating factor. But with Sean's research, we always wondered because even though Bruiser was getting a piece of Louisville for a number of years, a limited amount of his talent came and worked here, right? it was more Evansville

that was using Bruiser and Snyder talent from Indianapolis than it was Louisville because remember I said Jarrett ran Roberts Stadium at first because that was before that they had returned

the Coliseum back to its original function and changed the city arrangements and that was way too big a building for everybody but there was a lot of Indianapolis talent filling out the early cards in Evansville but only the bigger names like Bruiser and Snyder

and you know some of the other top guys would get booked in Louisville and part of that was because on Tuesday nights at that point in time the Goulos Welch territory they probably had two other towns but they weren't against a major town but Wednesday nights by that point

had become the weekly night in Nashville and then whatever else they were doing on Wednesdays they needed more guys in Evansville that could drive 100 miles from Indianapolis and make the show and get paid 50 bucks because Evansville didn't ever take off like a Louisville or a Lexington it was just it was always the Wednesday night town

but there was some I remember on one of the Louisville cards and I wish I'd been going to live wrestling at that point but it was like 1972 or whatever one of the preliminary matches was Jackie Fargo versus Bobby Heenan Can you imagine

how much fun Bobby would have had It could Bobby was smart to the business Fargo it would have It was a match to put Fargo on the card because people loved him and he was going to beat Bobby in 12 entertaining minutes, right? But because Fargo was so over, Bobby would have had a ball doing very little, if anything, and having, you know, people going crazy.

But anyway, so that sheds some light on... At first, Jarrett really needed help with Evansville because it wasn't... It wasn't ever going to take off like Louisville was, really, and the building wasn't that big and blah, blah, blah, but that was a Wednesday night town to justify the spot shows that he could also run in northern Kentucky like Owensboro, which is, is it 40 miles from Evansville? I used to make the trip, but it's not very far.

It's in Kentucky, Evansville right across the state line in Indiana. And that's where, again, the local wrestling war that I mentioned is just kind of interesting, and then I'll open the floor for your questions or organ playing or flute playing, whatever you want to do. But Sean thinks that part of Nick and Roy not pressing the issue over Evansville and Louisville with Bruiser

like, we're not going to give you a piece of the... You know, our boy, you know, open those towns is because they were... that Jarrett was already getting... He was younger and he was way smarter, way more energetic at that point. than Nick Goulos, and at that point, Roy still had a lot of confidence and faith in Jerry, but as Roy's dementia progressed, by 1973, they were suspecting did he send Mario Galento into fucking ambush Jerry on Memphis television, right? So these things were going on.

So Phil Golden had been running Owensboro at the sports center down there. How far is that from Evansville? Like I said, about 40 miles away. But Nick, no, I'm sorry, Phil Golden had tried to run Evansville right before and Nick, using their guy in Bowling Green,

started running the sports center in Owensboro on Monday nights off of the Evansville TV when Jerry was in Memphis and didn't really have any say about it so Nick was already starting to encroach on Jared's TV 40 miles south of the market before he could even start running that town

and Phil Golden had already started trying to run Evansville with no television because Phil Golden was the promoter at that time in Paducah, Kentucky. all the way at the western end of the state right near southern Illinois

and you know that part in southern Indiana so this is what I was going to tell Sean because he finishes up he said it appears when Jerry cut off the deal with Bruiser and Snyder they aligned with Phil Golden

and sent guys to work the all-star wrestling events in Louisville that's not true because he didn't cut the deal off until after Phil Golden had already gone out of business. What happened was, as I mentioned him before, that's when Angelo Pafo went in with Phil Golden and wanted to open up this entire strip of dark towns. With Golden and Paducah and already having a television show there, All-Star Wrestling with Buzz Benson, and Angelo Pafo being from Illinois and always having wanted to run

Southern Illinois, Southern Indiana, Louisville and into West Virginia, that's the first time they tried it. Angelo was the top guy. He had worked for Bruiser for years and years, but wasn't at that time. I think he might have left there to do this. And he brought Paul Christie,

who would be on a lot of the early Evansville events when Jarrett was running it. But Christy was a, until the late 70s, when the competition went down, Christy had steady runs with Bruiser in Indiana, but had never been, he was a tag team champion with Moose Cholak. He was a mid-card baby face that the top heels that were going to fight Bruiser had to beat. But I think Angelo Pappo pitched him, come be a part of this thing with me, and you can be the world champion.

And you can work with me as the miser or whatever. Then he was Angelo Pafo. And Christy was probably making as much money from them running five towns a week that didn't particularly draw that good or that bad, and him being in the main event and him working two or three times for a bruiser in the third month. match. But anyway, that's, you know, that...

And of course, Paul Christie made one a legendary and weird appearance on TNT in the 80s as the wrestling magician. And then he was never seen again. Well, and the thing is, when they finally had to use him as a main event heel instead of a mid-card, baby-faced golden boy, Paul Christie, when the talent level went down, I think it was like

78 or 9 or whatever, he was, fucking great. He cut these promos where you thought he was a fucking psychopath but not like screaming over the top or whatever but just I mean one of them

when he started when he at first switched heel he starts cutting the promo with his old golden boy sunglasses on and then he makes some kind of point but he takes the glasses off and he could pop his eyes out wider if he tried than almost

any human being I've ever seen, and he takes the sunglasses off, and his eyes look like ping pong balls while he's talking as calmly as possible. He was entertaining, and he could work, and he had a good body, but he wasn't going to, you know, wasn't going to be the main event, you know, especially at a dying territory and draw money at that point in time. He was already almost 50. He just looked so much younger. But nevertheless, they tried it with Angelo Pafo, bought into the thing with Phil Golden and then I think he just took it over at the end Golden abandoned the baby

and then that's first place that he went to and all the towns they tried to open up again when he had a promotion with Lanny and Randy when they joined with the guys from Knoxville and it was and think about that Phil Golden's promotion was All-Star Wrestling from Paducah and the

guys in Knoxville had broken off and started All-Star Wrestling that Angelo joined with International All-Star Wrestling and then ICW and they're all fighting over places like Evansville, Indiana and Owensburg, Kentucky, even in their own companies and own families. I find it fascinating. Do you find it fascinating, Brian? Just fascinating? It's always interesting kind of the history of outlaw wrestling in that part of the country, specifically from like,

the late 60s up until WWF, which is the rise and fall of the Pafos, I guess, in a lot of ways. Rise and fall and rise. Yeah. Of the Pafos. But, you know, that's the thing is that in those days,

if you were smart to the wrestling business and had some knowledge of how to put shows together and put a structure of some network of towns together to keep some. some halfway decent wrestlers employed, you didn't need a million dollars. You could get TV and run it for 10 or 12 weeks and start running live events

and half time you could make some fucking money. And how hard was it in some of those small towns? Well, I guess not the towns, but in some of those smaller cities to get TV back then. Well, that's the thing. You know, it was a blessing and a curse because in Evansville, Indiana in 1970, they had, I'm going to say three television stations, and I might have to check and see if that third one had come on the air, but I believe it was three. And so there's only three stations and how many hours in the day. However, at the same time, that's when they were still dependent on people watching for the commercials and et cetera and their advertising income. there were no infomercials.

So if they knew that a program would get an audience and you could sell them on that, then yes, they would fucking go with it. And there was a local history, and I believe it was with WTVW, of the local promotion years earlier, you know, have being successful, whatever.

They found a sympathetic program director, blah, blah, blah, So once you've got that, it was hard for wrestling to get kicked off because it always found an audience. And it was only, I mean, at various points in the 60s, the Chicago TV, wrestling from Chicago, had been on in Evansville. Or, you know, at one point, the Indianapolis TV,

I believe they used that. But it didn't last. They weren't having success enough in the market at the live events to justify running a lot of them. And if there's no live events, people kind of slacked off of the TV. It fed on itself. So if you could say, look, station manager, you know people like wrestling. They're going to watch it.

Look at the ratings. We're doing 100 miles down the road in Louisville and we're doing 5,000 people at the Louisville Garden, blah, blah, put us on, give us a chance. We're going to run every week. the Evansville Coliseum will be a presence here. The world will be safe for democracy. And they were on Channel 7. I'm pretty sure for years uninterrupted on it.

Certainly, they were still there in 1980, fucking two and three when I left the territory. So what about in 1991? Did you work Evansville with the fabulous ones? No. Because there was no way that Jerry Jarrett was going to give us our guarantee to go to Evansville. And that was the thing is we might as well have moved to the territory

than if we had. Because we had to fly in Friday night to be in Memphis TV Saturday morning. And then we'd do Nashville on Saturday night and then off on Sunday, but we'd stay because of Memphis on Monday and Louisville on Tuesday. And then Stan and I would go back Charlotte on Wednesday.

So I don't know what they were doing up there. as a matter of fact you know what come to think of it it was sometime in the i'm going to say 89 9091ish time frame i'm thinking that they may have quit running evansville because it just got and they were trying to concentrate more on owensboro maybe i'm off on my time frame when you were working there in the early 80s specifically do you remember ever hearing that kind of conversation why are we running Evansville? We should stop running Evansville? Or was it not at that point? Well, no, because it, I mean, I'm going to say that there was a time or two when it fucking snowed or whatever that you could hear a mouse pissed on cotton and ringside.

But when I say it was a shitty town, it was still selling, in the worst time period for business when I was going there between 1979 and 1983, they were still selling 2,000. thousand, maybe 2,500 tickets a month in that same fucking town in a building that I'm pretty sure they were getting for $400, maybe. You know, and the main event guys got a little bit more money and everybody else got another $50 on their fucking check for a Wednesday night when nobody's doing anything else.

And that's 19, what, 1980 money is that foretile? that's like the everybody on the card's getting 200 bucks to have a half-ass match on a Wednesday night and I don't want to say half-ass because there was a lot of good matches in Evansville. Everybody didn't just tank it but it wasn't like goddamn Mid-South Coliseum. But that's the thing is that they had TV there that they could also run Owensboro. They could also run Huntingberg, Indiana off that TV that drew 2,000. people at a high school gym. They were running two towns

at least every week off that Evansville TV and that was a small one in the overall scheme of things. So the TV is responsible for on Wednesday and Thursday nights, them selling when Evansville was hot

and something like Lawler came back from his broken leg. They did $12,000 at $5 and $6 tickets. There were people standing in the fucking parking lot. and in the fucking bathroom trying to, you know, peek around the door. But normally, they'd do five or 700 people, but it gave all the guys an extra payday,

and it was only two hours from Nashville or whatever. So that's basically everybody knew. That's why you run fucking Evansville. You can't get in a lot of fucking small towns for spot shows on Wednesday nights in those days because many people went to church. in that part of the country on Wednesday nights. So at least we could get

the heathens to come to the Coliseum. And again, Christine Jared is selling her own tickets and her driver, Donna or Sammy Malone or whatever. They're the two people selling the tickets. The ticket takers are volunteers that are

you know there because they love the fucking wrestling business. And, you know, you're renting a building that seats how many people you need for a few hundred dollars. And so it's not like there was a great expense to the fucking thing. You brought up the Pafos. I guess this is a good time to ask you because we've heard from a lot of listeners.

WWE, I think it may be the WWE vault, put up footage of seemingly you and Randy Macho Man Savage in some sort of go-kart competition. Yes. There is a man... mid-track with a tennis racket. I don't know who he is. Eventually there's a... He was the guy that was assigned to me to make sure that none of the fans

fucking bothered me. So I made him my manager. Eventually there was a chase of sorts, but what are your memories? What can you tell me anything about this? Well, this, and there may be other footage coming out, see, this may be the tip of the iceberg because way do you see me playing macho man at Goody Golf?

Are you serious? Did you really do this? Not only in my series, but I've got some pictures of that day. And by the time, because that was in Knoxville, Tennessee, in the middle of summer, I can't remember the date. If I went through my books, it may be jotted down. But by the time that day was over with, after the go-kart racing and the Gooney Golfing,

and another thing, I'll tell you about a minute, I'm wearing those green pants in that, I think, what was it, purple or mauve or whatever shirt, and I am covered in sweat. It looks like people have dumped buckets of water over my head because in those days I was a free perspire so maybe they'd taken mercy on me and not playing the Gooney Golf portion.

But Randy Savage, for a period of time, worked Knoxville in the ICW slash All-Star Wrestling Days that we just referred to at our previous subject in what was that 1979 and 80 81, 82, you know when they were working East Tennessee, eastern Kentucky.

The point is, and I'm pretty sure at some point he lived in Knoxville, and then he lived in Lexington, but a friend of his from those days was opening a Gooney golf slash go-kart

I can't remember the name of the business saved my life, but it was a Goody Golf and Go-Cart place. And, you know, and I can't, I think it was in West Knoxville. I mean, it's, I know people say I can remember everything,

but seriously, this was a long, it was 30 years ago and it was one day. And the office had called me and said, hey, Randy's doing an appearance to help his friend out, and since I was in Smoggy Mountain Wrestling and living in East Tennessee,

he said, would you, you know, go down here and help him out and do an appearance for the grand opening of this this deal and I said sure this will be fucking hilarious right so so what time framed that's before he

and Vince had their issues so that would have been 1993 so it wasn't around when he worked for you well it it because that was what that was early 94 wasn't it no but they well but this this was still no it wasn't like

that weekend. It was another time he came down just to do this thing and I went over to do it with him. Because there's only like a year and a half period of time. It could have happened because you only first showed up there in the summer of 93 and he was gone by the fall of 94. Well, that's what I'm saying to you is it was while he was still with the WWF. Um, and I'm just, I don't, it might have been right on right before he left the WWF. I can't remember, but it was some time. And maybe the reason. and maybe the reason he left WWW. Oh, come on now. But anyway, but that was the thing.

He wanted to do it. It wasn't like he's just doing random appearances. It was the friend of his from the old days that owned this place. And he, if you look in the video, there's a guy that looks like he's a big tall, white guy. It looks like he's kind of got like an Elvis Presley impersonator kind of pompadour thing. And he's wearing the t-shirt from the place or whatever. But anyway, so we go down there.

We do the go-kart race. right where you know I get started late and then I can't make it work and then I get turned around and I'm going the other way and I'm like hey you're not supposed to do it you know and then I'm threatening

I'm going to sue the guy he gave me a fucking lemon and then we have the the Gooney Golf guy I can't again remember whether we played an entire game of Gooney Golf but there was a lot of people that had gathered for this

that he had advertised his grand opening is Gooney Golf mini Golf? yes okay yeah well this is this is east Tennessee so like if you go to pigeon forge you get Galenberg or whatever they go oh it's Gooney golf you know

that type of thing but it's it's yes it's not a full sized golf course where people are just wandering around being Gooney to answer your question sign me up for that it sounds like Caddy Shack too and then there's gophers involved

see it is gopher golf but anyway we're playing playing the, and I'm fucking sweating. And, you know, a bunch of people have come, and I think they had the radio station there for a while. And then we're, you know, I'm trying to figure out a way to, you know, entertainingly be the heel manager

of sweating my balls off and working the Goody Golf. And I hear honk, honk, the horns honking, hey! And I'll look over my shed, down the hill, it's fucking Terry Landell. No. Terry Landell has heard the fucking. live remote

or the advertisement that I'm going to be there and I'm there with macho man and he's fucking and he's honking his horn he's driving a red Mustang and he had some girl in a car with him and he's honking his horn

and he's yelling out the window who's your daddy and all that stuff and he's come to if he's promoting one of his shows he's just generally making a nuisance out of himself as he always did right and the way that this place was laid out

there was a hillside and you could be on a road that was kind of uphill and you could be on a road that was kind of downhill and he had driven around a couple times whatever I just like god damn it can't even enjoy Goody Golf with Randy Macho Man Savage and by the way he was an outlaw promoter that was a thorn in our side

and was the earnest T. Bass of pro wrestling in East Tennessee. Well, you see, that's the thing. It even predates Smoky Mountain Wrestling. He's been a pain in the ass and a thorn and decided that any wrestling promoter in Knoxville going back to the 70s. Any wrestling promoter that wouldn't either put him on a card in some fashion or do recognize him as somehow some type of personality. By the way, he's dead now.

So hold on one second. Yeah, Terlett died. I think about a year ago. Just fucking graveyard dead. Hold on. Just so I want to make sure when they fingerprinted me for trying to kill him, that was what the cop said. So you tried to kill Terry Landell.

I said, that's what they claim. He said, too bad you missed. So anyway. And that's the police. That was the police, yeah. That's a direct quote. Since some hillbilly shit went on in Knoxville back in it. But anyway, so I'm trying to play Goody Golf with Randy Savage,

and here this motherfucker now is down at the ball. bottom of the hill and he's honking his horn and his red Mustang and yelling and I can and I can see me walking down the hill I've got this Gooney Golf Club in my hand and finally I'd had enough and I'm walking down the hill go get your ass out of that fucking car

motherfucker I'm going to beat that windshield in with his goddamn Goonie Golf Club and as I'm cussing him he's out of the car on this but now he fucking grabs the door and opens the door where the girl is and on the passenger side and he looked like

I can't remember what he said but he's trying to give me the impression he's going to get his gun because then I had to say get your gun so that I can shove it up your ass after I beat your head and with this Gooney Golf Club you stupid motherfucker because he wouldn't go to shoot me

in front of 500 fucking witnesses and then he goddamn jumps the car he fucking speeds off it. I'm running through the parking lot after him swinging the fucking golf club. You motherfucker. There's a bunch of kids that come to the Gooney Golf Place.

But the owner... I forgot about the kids being there. Yeah, they got really... They got Gooney with their golf at day. I'm like, you motherfucker, come back. I'm going to beat you in a jelly. He had that out, so... But the owner is Savage's friend,

and he was around the business in the 70s when restrained shit happened, right? So he wasn't phased by it. So then I go back up the hill. Well, now I'm really fucking sweating, and I've still got to finish the fucking golf. I'm blowed up. I looked like somebody had turned a shower on me,

and I had to pick up and finish the Gooney Golf game to whatever extent that there was after I'd chased Terry Landell out of the fucking course with the goddamn Gooney Golf Club. That's a Terry Landell story I'd never heard before. I didn't even think about it until, you know, this was one day and one day in a life. But whenever that was, that's when that was. I tell you know, that's the thing. Brian, if we had the fancy Dan wireless phone plans and things and such that we've got now back then,

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quarterly, you're more living in that world than I am, because, you know, I've, I don't dress up anymore. I'm not worried about being stylish or anything like that. But no, because a lot of people think... I don't get my style from GQ magazine, thank you. Well, but, but no, but you're more

tuned into that type of thing. I'm a sexy man. The fashion and... I'm a very sexy man. You're a sexy man and people wear, you know, sexy things, that type of, because a lot of people have misconstrued you. Oh, because you have a deep man's voice,

and when you get cracked up at our frivolity, you have a deep hearty guffaw that sometimes borders on full-fledged, you know, ho, ho, ha, ha, that type of thing. And people think that, for that reason, and you bellow about the mothership. They think you're a false staffing, figure.

Oh. A retund of Victor Bueno body type. But in actuality, I know that at least the last time I saw you, and it has been a while. You know, the last kid may have ruined your figure.

But you've been a very physically fit and trim and desirable looking male figure. So I don't know why people think that, you know, part of it is that accent. You sound people say you sound like Bubba Ray Duny.

I have a fat guy accent. I understand now. No, it's true. Ladies and gentlemen, it is true. Whatever this man says. I am big and fat. I live in the basement. I've never met a woman, let alone touch a woman,

and I play a lot of video games. How'd you have them fucking kids then? Have you checked with the milkman? I'm trying to raise some money. I want to get a PS5, if anyone could help out. You want to get a public school? No, PlayStation. Oh.

Get with the now, Grandpa. Well, that's what I'm... That was the whole point of this preamble. By yeah, by the way, what is the topic that started with you picking on me? What the fuck is this? No, I'm not picking on you. I'm saying that you know more about GQ. They call it Gentlemen's Quarterly.

Do they? Now, so, well, that's what the full title. Where do you think GQ came from? Gentlemen's Quarterly. That's the way it started. The newsstand. Where do you think? Well, so the point is, since you are somewhat of...

of a gentleman, even though I get laid quarterly, I tell you. So I figured you would be more in on this. I wanted you to research this for me. Dwayne Johnson was on the cover, The Rock, for those of you who don't know him by his professional name. He's the entertainer of the year in GQ magazine, and he cuts a stylish figure in his $500 white t-shirt.

And I thought you have reached. research this, we're going to go over the claims that they have made about the rock here in this article. Hello, let me try to stop this video that's automatically playing on this page, which is just more of the fluff that is in this article. As you were saying, GQ Magazine has named Dwayne Johnson, roided up phony of the year. Oh, come on now! He was in competition with only himself.

He's out there fly fishing with a white guy. pretty fly for a white guy. Before we say anything about the content of the article here, some of these photos, these ridiculous fucking photos in here. I mean, we shouldn't

take them seriously, right? He's posing for the fashionistas who read GQ magazine. This is not anything we should not just mock. We're not talking about an audience of Waylon and Willie and the boys here. This one over here in the red, he's wearing Virgil's pants.

Well, I'm trying to What is the blue? He's got a blue It doesn't appear to be leather It looks like it might be inflatable But a blue jacket with baggy black shorts But with apparently black

hose That would be leggings And the tennis shoes And he looks like Darby Allen If he had You know Some type of color coordination But oh, there's a picture of Wicked Doggy.

Oh, he's got the beautiful little puppy doggy. Once again. Oh. The male J-Lo. The video that's playing here, I put up the captions just because I'm not going to play it right now. In August of 2024, Dwayne Johnson invited GQ writer Zach Barron to his farm in Virginia. Because that's the move. You know, it can't be like, meet me in L.A. or meet me in Miami.

Meet me in all the places where I show off my wealth and the usual ways. Meet me so I can show you the down-to-earth me, the farm me. Down on the farm in Virginia. Get the fuck at it. What is this shit? You ever think of him as this farm guy in Virginia? Yeah, the farm guy in Virginia. That's why he's showing up late for his fucking movie rolls.

He's milking the cows. He can't make his connections because he's out there too far from the airport. I'm still like, oh, I'm near to puppy doggy again. he's the sweater is by extreme cashmere the pants are by balenciaga but who do puppy dog by oh the puppy's so cute yeah okay i love him now anybody that takes pictures with dogs it's fine all right i don't be a douchebag i don't know if any of these quotes from this why is he wait a minute why is he doing bruce springsteen bruce springsteen uh with the the one down at the bottom hold on me picture where he's got his back to the camera and he has a strategically placed bandana in his

right-ass cheek pocket. Well, that's the show that he's with the working man. He's with the working class, the class that he isn't. He's with them, though. He supports them in the born-in-the-USA, 1984 kind of spirit, you know, just put on a white t-shirt and a bandana and, hey, America, you know, big eagles and trucks and dirt, lots of dirt and beer. Lots of dirt. Yeah.

mountains and beer and birds. Yeah, you know all that shit. But no, but it's tequila. Oh, yeah, that's the move now. Like, that's what we need. More tequila from more bullshit brands. No, he's already got tequila. I know.

He has his bullshit tequila brand that no one wants. Now, why are you, why are you, are you a tequila connoisseur? No, no, I think tequila sucks. See, now you put me in a... To kill you. That's what I think. It's to kill you. I got to take up for a guy that's worth $500 million here.

because you're just being so unfair. Oh, come on. You're just beating him. You just kicking him while he's down. You won't even read some of the article to see if he can indeed bury himself with his own douchebaggery instead of you just preemptively doing it. Every time he has a sip of his own tequila, it disappears for four months. Hey, come on.

All right, well, let's get to this article. I've not read this article. I've heard about it, but I've not read it because... Well, see, you're knocking him all. already you haven't even read the article. I'm knocking him from the video because then I'm going to see if the article has the quotes that are in this video as he's sitting on his porch here on his farm in Virginia. And also it was, it's a wonderful railing, the deck, you know, there with the trees in the

background. It looks like any moment Ma and Paul Kettle will come around a corner with an apple pie. And I think it's a good thing that his interview. is dressed in a white t-shirt also, because since he weighs 140 pounds less, it kind of makes rock look better. So they've staged that well, and the fly fishing is impeccable.

Unbelievable, this bullshit. Sometimes I have my driver take me into town so I could say a load of the normal people. Is he supposedly this, his farm, he owns this place? Did he buy this just for the goddamn interview? Well, again, maybe I am being unfair. Maybe now you're being unfair.

Let's go to the article here. This is the GQ video cover story, a feature that delivers, and this is just plugging GQ. He was man of the year. They named him the man of the year. It's not that Juan Johnson is tall, though he is.

About six feet four inches and broad with a... What is this? Adamantine? I don't know this word. Edomantine, bald head. That's over. Maybe it's hydroencephalic, like we were talking about earlier.

And sculptural shoulders. So automatically we know this is going to be a very critical article. It's not that he is part Samoan, part black, though he is that too. It's not that Johnson is what Hollywood likes to euphemistically call the most successful movie star alive, meaning most years the highest paid. it's that these things, the shape of the man, his parents, his professional ascendants, have combined in a singular way

to make him recognizable at more or less any distance. Because of this, Johnson struggles in the most prosaic sense to be alone. He wants to be alone. He can count the number of. of places available to him for solitude on three mighty fingers and does. He could sit inside his truck, which he likes to drive to set no matter what city he is in, in part because his silhouette is less noticeable behind the wheel of a car.

He can go to his gym, or he can come here to generous property he owns in rural Virginia. with a three-acre pond, a horse barn, and Green Hills and a Victorian-style house of slightly exaggerated, Dwayne Johnson-esque proportions. So he does own it. Well, son of a bitch, he's way too rich, isn't he? Is this already way too fluffy? I mean, I'm having fun with it, but... Well, I know this, my God, this is...

And, yeah, we can't have fun with it word for word because it goes on like that forever. And this is why men don't read GQ magazine. I know not only is it not in any way and I'm not saying that he should be you know tied and pilloried in the town square by some magazine but this is a fluff piece

if I ever heard one and it's so glowingly written as to be goddamn you're getting diabetic you're getting sugar diabetes as Mama Cornett would have said from just reading this thing it immediately paints him as a sympathetic figure immediately. That's the onset of the article. Have sympathy for this man.

His silhouette is too noticeable. As he's filming himself in the parking lot of In-N-Out Burger, don't think, what the fuck is wrong with this guy? I think he's so lonely that he doesn't even remember if he's been here before for a hamburger. That is true loneliness, folks. I'll let you take the next paragraph here. Well, no, I mean, we,

can't read this. No, no, you have to. You have to. It's so long. All right, I'll do it. It's so long. Anywhere else, Johnson says, and he's probably surrounded by people. Other actors, directors, executives, business people, employees, fans, journalists, children, wife, and ex-wife. Here's a quote from Dwayne Johnson. I feel like the moment I walk out the door, that's when the whirlwind starts. He is mostly okay with this. when I asked Johnson, who used to regularly perform live and sold out arenas

as a professional wrestler known as the Rock, Johnson's first real career, and the thing that made him famous, whether he is comfortable around other people, he seems genuinely confused about the question. Oh, yeah, Johnson says, for sure. Like, am I an asshole? And now this is the writer again, not Joan Johnson,

in my experience, no. Johnson is in fact famous for remembering your name and your kid's name and your kid's grandparents' names, aka the names of your parents, whom he wishes well in their next chapter of retirement, etc. See, hold on, let me stop there. This is a puff piece that Jain Johnson arranged to counteract the negative stories about him earlier.

during the year. Do you agree with that? I would have to think that he at least negotiated a friendly reporter for GQ magazine to assess this situation here. Because continuing with the writer, he observes closely, asks a lot of questions, his art is the art of being himself. There's only one guy remotely like him, and that guy would love to get to know you and have you know him in turn. I mean, yes, he's obviously a very personable movie star, so he's going to be nice to the reporters. But I've never, again, seen this level of just adoration if they interviewed the Pope,

for fuck's sake, would they be talking like this? Well, no, the Pope's done some really nasty shit. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking for the part I heard about, here it is, just to skip ahead a little bit. Before I got to the WWA, I wrestled in a small wrestling company called the USWA. Those were the days where I was making 40 bucks per match wrestling in flea markets and used car dealerships in the parking lot. But guaranteed 40 bucks. I ate Waffle House three times a day.

What you learned there in cutting your teeth in that world of pro wrestling at that level is to do your best. to send everybody home happy. Years later, Johnson says, when I got into the business of Hollywood and I'm sorry, when I got into the business of Hollywood. When I got it to the business of Hollywood and movie making,

it's like, okay, well, what kind of movies do I want to make? I want to make movies that hopefully are good that don't suck, but also reach as many people as possible. and I think the thing that a lot of people jumped on, and this is my first time seeing the actual quote, was his description of struggling on the Indies for 40 bucks a match in the USWA. When he was in the USWA, he was under a WWE deal already, wasn't he?

Flex Kavana? Yes, but I'm trying to recall if I know how much they may have been paying him at that point in time. because this was 1990 what six in Memphis in 1999 they were given out developmental deals of like 300 bucks 500 bucks a week so yes he was getting $40 from Randy Hales because that was the minimum but he was also getting paid by Vince this is some Paul Heyman math here but yeah but he was also, it may not have been much. It may have been 500 bucks or whatever,

but yeah, he was, he had a contract. I made 40 bucks per match, plus my $500 per diem. But again, it's, he's man of the year, and it appears that on the back of the release of his new movie, which debuted at number one, and was also destroyed by critics,

I saw that the couple of reviews here in New York just destroyed the fucking shit. You'd never see anything as brutal. But here he is trying to, I guess, put more of the Jane Johnson fluff out there. Well, Jim, we have to also talk about what was in those articles early in the year

that caused him to need some positive spin as this big Christmas movie comes out. Well, this has been on the show here, probably the biggest rock-related controversy, is does he or does he not urinate in water containers pee in a bottle

pee in a bottle it was like the police song right and and we've been trying to find out some kind of corroboration here and they addressed this this practice or this rumor or whatever they addressed it well Jim of course

he responded to some of these stories from what was it the rap earlier this year the rap about his peeing in bottles. No confirmation of Brian Gowertz is the person carrying these bottles, but... Well, they said now, they said a lot of things. They said he was late. The crew and the cast was frustrated. They cost the production money. And then also he said, they said he peed in the box. But it wasn't just late. It was like, it was 12 hours late. It was ridiculous. It was ridiculous

about of money, money, about a time. He was late. He came in at 3 o'clock in the morning. He was supposed to be there for lunch, that type of thing. In decades of public life, most celebrities will at some point wander into a scandal, real or manufactured. But it took all the way until 2024 for Johnson to meaningfully find one. Earlier this year, the online trade publication, The Rap, published a piece alleging that Johnson was chronically late to the set of Red One, frustrating as fellow cast and crew, and costing the production,

what the rap suggested was a considerable amount of money. See to hear again, most celebrities will at some point wander into a scandal, real or manufactured, but it took all the way until the time they caught him.

And the rap alleged, the rap suggested, their GQ ain't standing behind their fellow fellow yellow journalists, are they? The piece also alleged as Johnson helpfully supplies to me himself that, quote, I pee in a bottle while working.

A beat? Yeah, that happens. What about the late part of the story? Yeah, that happens too. But not that amount, by the way. That was a banana's amount. That's crazy. Ridiculous. Johnson says that overall, the controversy was bullshit. And now is the part where everyone who works on this film that they're actively promoting right now has to say nice things about him. The male jail load. Every part of this is manufactured. But what about the puppy?

Is it his dog? Does it say it's his dog? I don't know. I hope it is. But I mean, well, here's the Evans fellow. the co-star. Is that Chris Evans or Bob Evans? Maybe it's Bob Evans.

I think it's Chris Evans, the co-star. But, yeah, you know, he says nice things about him. And then some other people say nice things about him. Then he says some more nice things about himself. Well, this is an amazing piece. All right. I'm watching the video now. Here's him fishing with the writer.

Yeah, I'm telling the fishing alone right there. I'm telling you, that one every, at one middle America over. And I'm watching this interview and just the interview is so because again everything Jwayne Johnson does is performing for a camera and we know that because everything we see is him

performing for a camera. So it's just more of the usual bullshit. Boy, I tell you what, it will never be over. The rock couldn't put you down with a steel-toed boot, Brian. Couldn't put you out with a steel-toed boot. and it will never be over.

I've got knives up the gazoo. I can throw them. No wonder you're in such a mood today if you've got knives up the gazoo or the wazoo. What is it up of yours? Is there a difference between wazoo and gazoo? I guess there is. Well, yes, because the great gazoo from the Flintstones

would like to have a word with you. Nobody ever compared him to an asshole. But nevertheless. Yeah, go ahead. Well, I was just going to, speaking of, I don't know, assholes and people on television, I've also got to ask you this, because you're not only the GQ correspondent, but you're up to date. No, I'm not. You're up to date? You're not up to date?

I have nothing to do with GQ magazine. Okay, well, you're with the generation, the generation of people that are watching the TV that's not real TV. It's streaming stuff, they call it, right? Yeah, that generation, I'm 44. I'm in the middle of a civilization. I believe they're calling that generation right now that watches. Well, they ought to call it pissing instead of streaming because that's what these companies,

they're just pissing all over you because it don't work. It don't work. You can't just magically send signals through the air. That's ridiculous. You need the cable so you can plug the cable TV into the wall and get the cable. But apparently... What about antennas?

You were against antenna? Well, no, because that was... was the way that fucking General David Sarnoff intended television to be. But that's the same thing. It's over the air. Well, I'm over it. But now a lot of people may be over the Netflix because they done botched up.

Didn't they? The big Mike Tyson fight they've got a bunch of it was right here on the local news here in Louisville, Kentucky that the people are in uproar over Netflix because it buffered. it just buffered and there was all kinds of tech and they may have shown Mike Tyson's unclothed ass

that was on my news also here the morning news did you hear about this well watch the event did you see Mike Tyson's naked ass unfortunately I did not I think that must have been after the bout and I was already as soon as the bout was over I was gone

no he wasn't naked in the ring no that would have been that would have been the reason why he fucking lost no no no I think it was after about, right? When he was like in his locker room again. Yeah. I was already gone by the park room. Taking his clothes off. Well, they showed people at. I already seen enough of this shit that I didn't

want to watch any more, so I didn't see that. But the point I'm making is, is that there's a tenuous connection at best to wrestling, and it Mike Tyson has made wrestling-related appearances, obviously one major one in particular at WrestleMania, but also that dipshit Paul.

What's his, Otis Paul? What is his, Billy Paul Jake Paul? Jake Paul. I couldn't remember what Logan Paul's brother's name was

but he has the connection to Logan Paul who has a connection of wrestling but the big connection of wrestling is how the fuck if Netflix

can't stream a live fight in November how are they going to stream live wrestling in January? Riddle me that, Batman.

Is there a reason for us to worry? I thought the stream worked pretty good early on. By the time you got to the last two bouts, they were... Oh, yeah, otherwise, Annette, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?

Well, listen, listen, I'm telling you, it was good up until the women's bout, which was a real barn burner, but there were points where all of a sudden I had no audio, and then all of a sudden, the stream just stopped, and then I pulled it up my computer and my TV, and when one stream would stop,

I'd start the other one up and get it and go back and fork, but it was a problem. However, I don't think Raw is going to have the same, problem they had where they had 60 million households. Worldwide, tune in for Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson. I believe it's worldwide. Yeah, worldwide.

Well, that would be a wide, wide, wonderful world, but what difference does it make if they're sending a signal out? See, a amount of people trying to access it. Well, wouldn't they... Well, I guess, yeah, that's true. Hotchka's Featherbottom taught me something about that. I guess you're right. It says here I have the Netflix official printout from their PR team.

A record-breaking night for Netflix. 60 million households watched the Paul versus Tyson main event live around the world peaking at 65 million concurrent streams. Nearly 50 million households globally tuned in live for the co-main event of Serrano versus Taylor 2. That was the woman's boxing bout. Additionally, the bout is likely to be the most watched professional women's sporting event in U.S. history. So it may have been a shit show as an overall event. You didn't see any of it?

You didn't watch any of it? No, I was watching Spengooly. Are you out of your mind on a Saturday night? It was Friday. It was against Smackdown. Oh, well, then I wouldn't have known that it was on anyway. Oh. Because I didn't give a shit.

I could not give two shits whether Mike Tyson drops dead or turns blue right now, nor about Logan Paul's brother, to be quite honest with you. I think it was a work. I'm a busy man. I think it was a work. Well, what makes you, now that you've thrown that accusation out there, what gives you that impression? Again, it was, I forget exactly.

I think it was eight rounds, two minutes a round, heavier gloves than usual because of Mike Tyson's age. it looked like early on Tyson stopped himself and all of a sudden was fighting a different fight and then he started just biting his glove a lot a lot almost like he was stopping himself from doing something but there are rumors that fighting his glove are you sure what did he

it was it painted like the other guy's ear Jake Paul got 40 million Tyson got 20 million Oh, Jesus. And the rumor is Tyson wouldn't have got that money if he had just knocked Jake Paul out. It was $20 million based on the idea, I think, from what the rumor is

of getting to the finish and having a go-to decision. So wait a minute now. I would like to have somebody... And watching this bout, I don't know. It felt like a word. I'm not saying Jake Paul can't box, but put him in there with a real box

who at real rounds and everything. I'd like to see that. But I don't know. It felt like a fucking... work, it felt like such a work, it felt like a work. But now, if the rumor and supposition, I would like to see somebody investigate that further. And it was the pay more per round, they're actually, they're getting paid for time instead

of fucking result. That's interesting. And if I'm wrong, someone correct me and tell me what the story is, but there's something going around like there's different stories going around about people who think it was a work. And it felt like it seemed like a work to me. felt like early UFC freak show kind of thing, but it'll work. And I like to, honestly, I'd rather watch, like, Giants Against Freaks or, you know, whatever

to fuck than, like, modern UFC. It doesn't do it for me anymore. Just everyone trains the same way in that they cross-trained. They train for everything. I like it better when it's like, this guy's big and fat. What the fuck could he do against this guy over here? He seems like he could be a badass, but he's 5'9. What's going to happen?

That's the shit I want. So it appealed to me. And then it was like a Floyd Mayweather. nothing happened. It was like two guys just popping around doing nothing. You want giants versus freaks and people versus women. I didn't say that. People versus women.

That was not. No. When you sit and there was like three or four people and a woman involved. But going back to this to get away from your disparaging comments that we'll speak about later. I'm sorry. I just, you know. The 60, million households is more than likely more than WWE is going to get, I would, I mean,

who knows, who knows what for WrestleMania, but for every week, for Raw, I don't think they would get anywhere near there, do you? I can't see how or why. And WrestleMania is still on Peacock currently, so they've been able to do it there pretty well. Well, but again, we don't, we're not privy to the exact numbers, but is there a goddamn Snowball's chance in hell that 60 million people are watching WrestleMania.

I mean, even around the world. Is that... Households, it says here. 60 million households. Okay, well, and most people these days live by themselves. It's more peaceful that way. Oh, my God, the

commentating. I don't want to say anything bad about Maro Rinaloa because I like him and everything, but it was a It much it felt like at times, and they paired him up with Roy Jones Jr., the former boxer. You doesn't got to call him Jr. Who he ended up arguing with during the main event about the frequency of Mike Tyson biting his gloves in the past. And the third person in the booth, Rosie Perez, the actress. What?

She's from Brooklyn, and she likes boxing. That was really good. Oh, my God. You grew up with Mike Tyson's neighborhood and you love boxing. you're on the team. That's all it was. It was incredible. It was such a weird event.

Are they trying to give Maro Rinalo some kind of mental stress by teaming him up with Rosie Perez and Roy Jones Jr.? It was really something. And the best thing was the ring announcer. His name was Big Mo. Forget what his real name was, but they called him Big Mo. And he was like a classic ring announcer with. the big voice, and it didn't sound like one of the people now, it's almost like,

I'm trying to sing without singing, you know, whatever the fuck they're doing. He was like a classic announcer. The problem is he looked like he was like six, seven. So he would tower over all the wrestlers, Big Mo, but I thought he was good. And they had some beautiful women in the ring. This one girl's become famous now for her bosom. Are you to watch it now? I said bosom.

I didn't say tits like AEW. All right. Well, just remember, may the breast woman win. I wish I had a witty come back to that, but I don't, but that was it. That was the big event. And it says something, no, again, Netflix has been doing a lot of live streaming stuff. They did the Cat Williams comedy event live, the roast of Tom Brady. They've been experimenting with a lot of things.

I think they'll be good for Raw. But I think when you have something where you have 60 million, according to them 60 million households, that's a lot of people trying to access that feed. I'll bet they're better prepared next time, but I don't think this really is any, I don't think this is indicative of what they're going to do for Raw. But, you know, that's a lesson. They had too many mouths to feed.

Rosie Perez on the Congress. Well, yeah, thanks for the mammaries. But anyway, I'll tell you know what's the matter with most of the boxers and the UFC fighters these days? It's not so bad with a lot of the wrestler At least the main event The major league wrestlers It's not bad

But even with the indie wrestlers It's bad But you know what's bad with all of those people I just mentioned? I know what The fucking hair all over their face They're goddamn hairy They got hairy cheeks

They got hairy palms They got hairy eyebrows They got hairy foreheads They got the hair all the way down To their turkey necks They got hair everywhere except some of them don't have any hair on their head. But they've got had, they need to remove some of this,

stand out, look clean, be distinctive. Let people see your face. Let people see your expression. Don't look like a cross between wild bull curry and your eyebrows and Pampero furpo in your beard to where we have to fucking spread your face out with a speculum to see what your nose looks like. Did you get a picture of what I just said there, Brian?

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You can personalize, well, if they're going through doing a forensic examination. Let's plan on dying at home, ladies and gentlemen. gentlemen, let's think about dying at home with Harry's. It's a clue if you have your initials engraved on your razor as to who you are. And maybe what's happened. Why wouldn't your wallet be there? Well, it depends on who left the room after you died. And that would get into your personal piccadillos, Brian.

I don't think we want to cover that on the air. So they left with your wallop, they left your fancy razor? Well, of course they did because that was up your ass at the time and they didn't notice it. personalize oh it's one of those kind of parties i see with the available engraving options and it's a risk-free purchase because harries offers a 100%

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We can't just be some Jack Yankovitch on the program or something. We're stars here with celebrities. See, people aren't going to know. They're going to think you've got the name Weird Al Yankovic. Miss, miss, I can't even speak. People are going to think all sorts of things this week. That's what we've got to accept. Let them think what they want.

Got to accept it. All right. Hey, I wanted to tell you something. Last night, my daughter, who's six, comes into my office. office and it was one of those times where she was inquisitive about who I work with. Yeah. And she's like, what about that guy? And I'm like, who are you talking about?

And she goes, the guy in the artwork, because she sees the pictures. She doesn't get to hear them, but she sees what the pictures are for YouTube. And I said, oh, that's Jim. Would you like to see video of Jim? And she said, yes. So the first thing I thought of was the scaffold. So, like, this would get her into, like, who I'm working with. How cool is this guy?

She asked questions. She wanted to know why you were getting chased up there. And I said, well, the good guys were finally going to get their hands on him. So they chased him to the top, with the intention to throw him off. But he went underneath and he fell on his own. Tried to evade. So he was a bad guy? Well, back then.

Back then, he was a bad guy. And she kind of got quiet. And she's like, so you work with a bad guy? I'm like, no, but. He's different now. I don't see, I don't want to break K-fame. I don't want to say, listen, it was all at work. I don't want to say it.

But I'm like, no, he's different now. He was younger than, and let me show you another thing. And I showed her you giving Ronnie Garvin to fireball, because I'm just trying to think, what would be cool to a kid to see? And again, why did she throw a fireball? Why did he throw a fireball at him? I'm like, well, there really wasn't a good reason for it at all.

There was no reason. There was nothing the belts. Yeah, but then I, I tried to get changed topic. I'm like, look. Then she's going to think. Are you going to sit daddy on fire? Well, I tried to change the topic.

I said, look, it was a wonderful thing. It caused this family to get back together. His brother had gotten flamboyant and didn't want to really have a relationship with him. And this made them come together. Wait a minute, Daddy. You mean he scared him straight because he was gay before? Well, I don't know. That's not what I'm saying, but I'm saying that Jimmy Garvin was a flamboyant heel who had nothing to do with Ron Garvin.

on the same roster and it was almost like they lived in two different worlds. And this brought them together. This is like I'm explaining it to my daughter all over again. And she looked at me with a blank face like I'm sure you have right now. Like I'm right now. But yeah, I didn't want to break K-Fave and say he was one of the greatest performers of all time. I keep to say, well, he was a bad guy back then.

I showed her you hitting the dudes with the racket. I see all those people were cheering. But then the people cheered. Yeah. That's what he finally redeemed himself when he knocked. out these insufferable douchebag baby faces. She thought the people looked angry when they jumped up with their arms in the air. Yeah, finally!

And they, she thought they were bad too. Well, it was Troy, New York. Yeah. Although they advertised, the advertising was like a picture of flare and funk like over Manhattan. Over Manhattan. Yeah, no buildings in Troy looked like that. I recall they had a good pizza place. So what do you do, though?

What do I do? at what point do I... I've never flat out said it to any of my kids. My older daughter finally figured it out on her own. My middle daughter, no, she understand? I think she does, but it's never been said. My youngest daughter believes from the little bit she's seen, at what point should I say anything, or do I?

Well, just two years after Santa Claus. Huh. So about when they're about 14, 15. How old are you when you found out about Santa Claus? I think 13 and a half I think it was a very confusing year you got to use Harry's

well I did but unfortunately I shaved the wrong thing what the fuck all right well that was funny interlude number one we now return all righty well I'm in in that professionalism, so we're going to have to start

talking about more wrestling on a program coming up next week. They're doing another pay-per-view whereas some of the boys were still calling it until a few years ago, paper, P-A-P-E-R, the paper view.

They're doing another one, they're doing A-E-W next weekend, and then the W-W is coming back with their response to blow them out of the water, Survivor Series, the following weekend, so it's going to get busy around here. But do we know, do we have any firm idea?

I know they will add matches on the AEW pay-per-view until about 15 minutes before the countdown show is off the air. But do we have an idea of the main bouts on the program that we're going to be reviewing to our everlasting consternation, Brian, is that question long enough? What are you doing over there? What's going on? I was clicking my ink pen right here. See?

People don't want to hear that. Well, I'm trying to adopt a William F. Buckley kind of tone over here. Is that what you're doing? That's what I'm doing. He had a very sharp pin to go along with his sharp tongue. Or even Dick Cavett was known to click a Bick every once in a while. I'll have you know. He looked like a Bick clicker the first time I saw him.

Listen, I don't know what the hell is happening here this week. But I'm asking you, do we have a firm idea of what the card is for the A.E.W. Pay-Pervue. full bore full gear full gear no boars are hurt in the process well it could be boring

but what are what are they showing us so far what have they announced well the official AEW website has 10 matches listed oh Jesus Christ or 10 things listed I guess I should say and we're a week out not even a week out a little under a week out so they'll have to add

at least five more matches right And it looks like Wikipedia may have the same nine matches and one event listed here. On the zero-hour pre-show event, QT. Marshall versus Big Boom, AJ, with Big Justice. Oak, is this some fucking rampage business going on? We know who QT. Marshalli, who is big? Bank Hank? What was the... I just looked it up.

Who's in the corner? Big, big fellow? AJ and Big Justice. Big Justice. Who are... Andrew A.J. Burfumo and Eric Bofumo, who was born in 2012, known online as A.J. and Big Justice. Wait a minute, he's wrestling a 12-year-old kid? Or as the Costco guys are American social media personalities.

A father and son duo. they found popularity on Tick-Tac, Tick-Tac, Tick-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-T-W-T-T-W-T-T-Wing-V-T-V-E-V-V-T-V-V-T-V-V-E. They make videos going to Costco, and their celebrities because of that. I go to Costco. Well, I used to go to Costco. Now I sometimes go to Sam's Club. Do you think it's too easy to get booked for wrestlers? And which one is he wrestling the 12-year-old and the father's in the corner or vice versa? I'm assuming Big Justice is the child.

Big justice sounds a lot bigger than Big Boom A.J. And Big Justice will be in the corner of Big Boom A.J. is Big Boom Training at QT's gym? Does it say that anywhere here? Also that year, that year, 2024, they just became famous apparently. Also that year, they gained more than 2 million followers on TikTok. Wait a minute. Two million people just all of a sudden decided I got to hear these guys talk about Costco.

They signed with the management company, Knight, and released their debut single we bring the boom. Oh, good Lord. Does it say anything here about wrestling? AJ created a TikTok account in 2022 while working for the regional, Asdom Regional Manager, excuse me, for a mortgage business

portraying the character of mortgage muscles who would explain the housing market. His video started the gain popularity. I've never seen any of these. His video started the gain popularity and he began including his son Eric in them at his request starting with a video of AJ eating a hamburger

in December 2020 and then yeah they And it was followed up by an even bigger video of him pooping the hamburger They are set to wrestle all wrestling a cue yep it says it here all right well

they're in the full gear zero hour match also on the show we have a champagne championship celebration whatever that may be with Mariah May and Mina Shirakawa

Oh, I've seen that I've seen that video The Champagne Bottle Celebration It was a German video No, it was vivid No, it was too vivid for vivid They would have got put in the penitentiary no the champagne bite that's worth tuning in on a zero maria may and who missouri they're not going to know

let me just clarify because i don't want to get sued for false no i'm going to there'll be no sexual activity with bottles that's not what i'm recording the pre-show on this one i'll do if they're doing the champagne bottle celebration because nobody's topped that since 1987 they're not doing that but for the record this is not the pre-show this is on and it was even the fatian first all right listen I don't know what the hell's happening out of the mouse's ear with you, but this is on the main card, the main card. Oh, obviously.

So the pre-show, after Big Boom and Big Justice gets finished, they've just torn the house down there, so they're just going to go right into the, okay, the pay-per-view. So champagne bottle celebration, I'll buy that on both TVs. Jim, in a four-way match for the AEW World Tag Team Championship, the champion's private party, versus the kings of the black throne versus the acclaimed

versus the outrunners and FTR couldn't make that field the parties and the blacks and the acclaims and the outrunners well they're very committed to helping get the outrunners over well and a four-way and boy that'll just be wonderful more action on this card action action action action

Will Osprey who uh oh there is no title he's not a champion at all versus Kyle Fletcher who is a champion is he but his champion ain't on his champion

his championship isn't on the line didn't he had the he was the one that got knocked down and they took the other guy picked his belt up wasn't he he's had a belt here recently I don't there's a lot of belts, I'm not sure. I can't keep track.

Well, this is a big match. Osprey versus Fletcher, I will have to say, if you're into the best of the modern style, this will probably be the best match on the show, I would have to think. Yes, they're in shape, they're athletic, if they would restrain themselves from trying to do shit that is so far out of the realm of credibility or possibility that you get into their athletic struggle and the fact that they used to be friends and lived with each other and did all the things they did with each other until this is sudden occurrence between them. It came out of nowhere, apparently, on Osprey's party. He had no clue it was coming.

They tell a fucking story. Yes, I'm hoping that somebody will sit down with them and say, here, try to tell a story through your match instead of playing a video game for 25 minutes. Well, Jim, also on full gear, Roderick Strong versus MJF. I mean, this is probably better than Adam Cole versus MJF. At least we haven't seen this, I don't think. At least Roddy looks like a guy who's in shape. He looks like a wrestler.

I mean, he's not a big guy, but he looks like he's in shape or he is in shape. Well, it looks like he's fooled everybody. He looks like he's in shape. The problem is that this isn't a money match. And it's not either the participant's fault. Roddy, obviously, has been booked like a, I don't know how to explain it. And the whole angle has been fucked up.

And Adam Cole, whatever's happened to him, the people are just like, eh. And everybody's in the wrong position now than they were the last time that everybody was healthy together. It's just snake bit. And to keep continuing this is just wasting everybody's time. And you know, it's weird too when MJF made his return, his first return earlier this year, he was still a baby face and he confronted him beat up Adam Cole.

Everyone was like, okay, good. And everyone said that's it. They're going to move on from this feud. They gave it some sort of illogical ending, but it was an illogical feud to begin with. And then when Adam Cole came back, they brought it back. and I'm sorry this feud is hanging around MJF's neck. I know he's not even there. I'm guessing he's going to do the pay-per-view

and they go right back to the film set. I'm sure everyone in that company wishes they were in that position right now. But yeah, it's just, it's an MJF match just to have one. And that's the thing is that there's no money match as we'll get to when we go down the rest of them. But think back on their bigger pay-per-views. You had at one point MJF and Punk, or you had MJF and Danielson,

or you had Sting's retirement match, a money match that you knew that not only was the same standard number of hardcore efficinados, but regular folks were interested in this. It was a story, it wasn't just because it was going to be a great match. It was a story with a build and people that you cared about and you understood why they were mad at each other. They managed to achieve that a few times.

now they're just putting shit together there's no money match and there's top guys in in the ring with guys they'll have good matches with. Go ahead. Tell us some more of the good matches. And actually now that I think about,

MJF really doesn't have to leave the film set and fly anywhere, this is Newark, New Jersey. And he's filming in New Jersey from what I read. Could they have a cinematic match on set so he doesn't even have to clock out? Jim, on full gear, we also have Swirv Strickland versus Bobby Lashley. That's interesting.

I will. Here's the problem again become if they beat Lashley in his first match, then they're out of their minds. And I thought it was early for Swerve to beat Shelton because they could have built Shelton as a bigger threat. If they're going to rush this like this, then... Swerve's got to get beat. But if Swerve gets beat a lot or left laying a lot.

So they've just, they've rushed into this and they've tried to do the standard thing of getting heat on something or somebody by Swerve beat Shelton. And then Lashley came out and fugging hurt locked him. And if Swerve wins this, then they've just wasted everybody's fucking time. this past weekend, as we are recording, I had collision on the background monitor in the office while I was working. I think Spanguli may have been on the main monitor. I know, because I wasn't really ended in the movie,

so I turned it off. But Shelton Benjamin, as far as I'm concerned, worked a far too competitive. This should have been ended a lot quicker. Come on, guys. End this match with Commander. Oh, good.

The guy who walks on the ropes and runs on the ropes and does his move off the ropes while he's standing on the ropes while you're helping him balance himself. That commander, of that fame, that command. Of that fame, of that ilk. Well, Jim, who do you predict a win, Bobby Lashley? He better. I don't even ask you that. Who do you think is going to win MJF. Roderick Strong? Jesus Christ.

Unless that movie set is going to. going to be a shoot like Heaven's Gate and it's going to take the next year and a half, MJF needs to win this, obviously. I still, I think they're going to do something here to continue the deal with Adam Cole. Watch a hide and watch, but I bet you. And this is, and they're just using, they're putting MJF on the pay per view so he's got a match on the pay per view. And, you know, otherwise, this is just, it's a TV match to set up.

what they're going to do next. Who do you think is going to win Osprey versus Fletcher? Oh, probably Feltcher because Osprey will want to, you know, do a favor for his, you know, lifelong friend that he's obviously enthusiastic about working with in this spot. And to be honest, to protect Osprey is an investment somewhat. I think this is the part where Osprey could beat him and he could turn around and lay Osprey out afterwards and be a sore loser. Because the kid ain't good enough yet, but he's an asshole.

That might get him more heat. So Osprey will probably put him over. Jim, also at full gear, we have a big grudge match. Hangman Adam Page versus Jay Sinkhole White. Sinkhole! Uh, can neither one of them win, please? I mean, that's just, Jay White hasn't been a baby face for long enough

or established as a baby face or the reason for him being one after being a whiny heel for a year and a half. And the whole fake tough guy replacing the fake cowboy thing with Paige is just, bleh. None of the above. All right, no prediction there. Jim, for the TNT Championship and the Twink Division,

Jack Perry versus Daniel Garcia. They're going to do that. For the TNT Championship. Well, which one's the better friend of the lollipop guild? Would it be Perry, or would it be, is Garcia a new darling of the moment? You gotta think Garcia just re-signed. Perry's character friends have all gone home

so they could be rebooted as the people who save AEW. Oh boy. Yeah, Garcia, let him have the belt for a while. Jim, for the... At least he'll be able to walk upright when he's wearing it instead of Perry. For the TBS championship, Mercedes Monet with Camille.

versus Chris Statlander. I mean, I think Mercedes, Rigger Mortis, Mercedes Morne, get some of her sauce, she's going to win, she's not going to lose the belt, she ought to, Stantlander could actually be a legitimate talent of some description if they'd give her a consistent look

and a consistent push. Mercedes Moon is the biggest bomb since Nagasaki and Camille is now meaningless because of the stupidity that surrounds everything Mercedes does whether it's her own shit or the shit of her personal writers will you put that pen down? I'm sorry I just got my new ballpoint pen

pen it's it's addictive it's new? It's brand it's a pilot it G2. And it, it, it writes easily. It just glides across the paper. Does it get too wet? Sometimes when you're right with that kind of ink, it gets a little wet? No, it doesn't.

It stays dry. Well, it's wet, but it's dry. It's not bloody. Don't you think you're going to mess it up by clicking it nonstop? I'm going to mess you up by clicking you nonstop. Hey, hey. I'll put my upside your lips. Boom, I'll tell you what.

Outside my lips, really? I'll go upside your lips I'm saying you sucker I said outside I didn't really said upside and Esther don't tell me I'll come over there All right well this is the generating into Who do you think you win? Monet versus Mercedes is going to win

and it's going to suck Because everything she does sucks Because she's the shits Let's see where they put that on the card That's the other interesting thing Whatever match goes first Has a good shot of getting the most reaction And then it's downhill from there

The main event For the AEW World Cup We're at the main event already. Jesus Christ. Well, let's see what, it's the week of the pay-per-view. They may add it under six matches. But also, wait a minute. One, two, three, four, five.

Is this the first time ever in AEW history, six singles matches and then a four-way? But six singles matches already. Maybe he's finally figuring out we can't find people in those multi-man messes. But go ahead. Oh, yeah, he's figuring plenty. the out, the main event for the AEW World Championship, the champion John Moxley versus Orange Cassidy.

They're actually going to do that as the main event. Because Tony's figured stuff out. This is him figuring stuff out. Oh, boy. There's no co-match or co-main event match that... With who? You know, with anybody, well, that you could say, okay, Backlund's on top. but look, it's Bruno and fucking Zabisco underneath, or what, you know, whatever.

Who, who's that person? Who do they have? I mean, Takesh is not on the show. He's the international champion, but Danielson's gone. Danielson's gone. The Bucks for Bucks fans, they're gone. Omega, he's returning in New Japan before he helps save AEW. He said they don't need him in AEW right now.

They're doing so good, they don't need him. Although you never know with him what's real and what's, you know, like, bullshit online character. But beyond that, who? Miro? You know, Powerhouse Hobbs has returned. He's not on the show. I guess Ricky Starks could have come back for the show, but they got nothing for him. But he still likes Cody.

I saw something earlier today that Danhausen is still under contract until the summer of 2025, and he has not heard from anyone in AEW in like six months. You mean to tell me they couldn't have done something with Powerhouse Hobbs as a big monster heel that would put the only guy on this card that can draw any fucking money as a baby face is Osprey and they've already made him kind of one of the boys

and also to put him in a position where he's trying to elevate somebody else with Kyle and you've got literally the company joke in the main event against the world champion against Orange Cassidy. I mean, that's how I was going to say. The company joke versus the company mascot, maybe.

However you phrase it, what? This is, um, yeah, I mean, there's no star power and even Osprey, like you said, he was in the main stuff. It was him and MJF. This was a big part of the show. And I'm not saying I dislike everything. with him and Fletcher,

but it is a step back from being in the main event picture, but of course, Tony wanted to run with John Moxley's vision of Med, Max, without dirt? I don't know what it is, just terrible. Do you think he actually,

he being Moxley actually is so bereft of cognitive thought that he thinks that he'll get a ton of heat when he slaughters pockets, that that audience likes the idiot enough that, oh, they'll just hate Moxley when he eviscerates him and does whatever he does to him like a fish with a rusty fishing knife?

I think Moxley's a dangerous kind of idiot because he's the kind of idiot or doesn't understand that his ideas are bad. It's the other side. And he's eloquent enough also to, for people who don't know what the fuck that they're talking about, that he can convince them that he knows what he's talking about. Yeah, based on whatever movie he just watched. Yes, in his own somewhat unlearned, uneducated way, he's very articulate. Well, that's A.W. Full get, boy, that's, you know, they used to pack these shows and you say, wow, they put so much stuff on here.

And they would have long matches that, you know, when you think back, like, man, they had, like, matches that were really exciting. There's nothing, I mean, like I said, Osprey versus Fletcher, I'm intrigued to see. Not really looking forward to the MJF match. I want to see Lashley swerve because I want to see if they're going to do right or if it's going to be just another long, way too long swerve match

that's even Stephen until the end. That'll destroy Lashley's aura because if you brought it, actually they need to Vader this thing, Vader and Anoki. Because think about this, what has been getting over a positive reaction in front of the people that exist in the arenas

consistently over the past several weeks, MVP in the Hertz Syndicate, whether it be Shelton, the introduction of Lashley or whatever, is Lashley going to be competitive? It is very first match in the company. And before you're afraid of Frankenstein, before you've even seen him chase villagers, you already know he's scared of fire

and all this other stuff? Or is he going to come out and bombard and dismantle swerve in about two and a half minutes and make a fucking statement. The question is, unless it was coming from Bobby Lashley or MVP

and unless they were allowed to do that, who's going to understand that's the right thing? Tony's not because Tony never understands the right thing. But no, you would... Swerve and Will Washington aren't going to recognize

that's the right thing, don't you think? Hopefully somebody would go and say, and not just him just no-sell him and just beat him one-tackle pancake, but you do the flurry ahead of time where Shelton gets in a way or MVP incites some fucking something and let's swerve wipe out Shelton as a sacrificial lamb in this instance but in doing that Lashley gets the upper hand and doesn't lose it and fucking hammers him and beats him flat because he never saw it come

after he got distracted by the manager and almost Pearl Harbored by the other guy that he did something impressive to. And then he's got an out, but you haven't even, you haven't even given away the first match yet because you might do it differently if this was not Bobby Lashley's first match

with anybody in the company. But he can't look like a normal, guy that just takes bumps like everybody else, before that they think he's a monster. Can he? He shouldn't, but again, AW history guys who come in quickly get made one of the others. They're quickly just another guy doing another. They're just another.

Same matches, same length of matches, same back and forth. Nothing's ever different. Finishing running down the car. Not interested in Hangman Page versus Jay White. not interested in Jack Perry versus Daniel Garcia Mercedes Monet and Statlander I'm interested in because the awkwardness of how quiet it gets during the Mercedes Monet matches I want to see how it works out here

and then Moxley versus Orange Cassidy no Derby you asked about Star Power I guess Darby's the guy we're not thinking of yeah they still like him I'm sure he'll be there for the main event but that is a sorry lineup Well, because that's got to be where they're going, but they're just, you know, sacrificing this pay-per-view to get there with Darby and Moxley. But, and what building are they in?

They are in Newark, New Jersey at the Prudential Center. Did that used to be the Meadowlands or? No, no, no, that's the different area altogether. Well, New Jersey, they got more than one arena in New Jersey now? Yeah, well, I mean, it's different parts of the state, of course. Well, you just act like I didn't know New Jersey get that big. I feel like you know these things and you're difficult with me just because it's me. Well, point is, how big is this fucking place?

Let me double check that, but right now, as of this weekend, according to Wessel Ticks, they had 7,407 tickets distributed. And the last time there was January for Dynamite, only 5,924. So this is up from that so far. And let me see what capacity is. And 7,400 for them these days is not that bad of a turnout. Not at all. 16-755.

Oh, jeez. Oh, jeez. Okay, so they're going to have half a house. That's better than normal. All right. And luckily they'll be in front of that very forgiving Northeast New York crowd. Oh, good Lord. and that's full gear.

We'll be talking about it again in a few days to find out what happened. But Jim, let's travel through time. Right, we are in the future. A fun, happy future we are in. And here's Mr. Fun and Happy himself, Jim Cornett. We had to take a little break. Had to just compose ourselves before we go any further. But now we're back.

were ready to go. They had a smackdown event on November the 15th in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the home of the crusher, the city that the crusher built. And they had a lot of people there, but I don't know how many they had. They didn't brag it was sold out or anything,

but it looked like a good crowd. And they had some good speeches. I thought some interesting scenes on this week's program, Possibly they'll do an actor's studio special on the making of this film. Oh, and they had some wrestling matches in the middle. Did you see any of the wrestling matches, or were you just there for the dramatic rendering? Maybe as you mentioned them, I'll remember,

but the only things I remember are the things that should get Paul Heyman a fucking Emmy. I am, I'm all on board now. Get Paul Heyman a fucking Emmy. Just give it to him. Just an Emmy, a Grammy, a top. Tony, Oscar. No, I don't want him to have a Tony. I think that may ruin the creativity.

I want him to have everything else, but if people in wrestling stay away from Tony, usually they get more creative. What about a slammy? Well, that's like an insult at this point. Hey, I'm a slammy award winner, you son of a bitch. Do you have the slammy award? Well, yes, they gave it to me.

I didn't know if they really let you have it, or if they just take it back and put it in their warehouse. They let me have it all right, but no, they handed it to me, and I never offered to give it back, and nobody came and grabbed it. grabbed it, so it's sitting over here in the office. Well, those are rather rare.

How many of they can't be rare? They did several slam-bies that they gave out. It's not like the Emmys where they give out like 10,000 Emmys every year. Well, I guess I am in a more rarefied air, a more exclusive group, but I'm not sure that I want to join a club that would have me as a member. You see, that's the other thing, too, that works when people say, oh, Jim should get involved and he should manage the outlaw bloodline. You wouldn't have to go to the ring and do anything.

You could just do backstage little acting segments. Me and Heyman could just sit in the room and fucking snipe at each other. People would pay for that. People would pay. I tell you what, I'm going to take the first step. I'm going to get my phone disconnected like Heyman did and see where that leaves. Well, you're playing spoiler, but let's, but again, that's my point, to my point, I remember the things that happened.

I don't remember the matches and the things that didn't contain the people in the things that happened. In the things. Give me that, give me, give me, give me, give me, give me that, give me that, give me that. So, should we talk about the program? Because they're not only doing things, they're making things. points like the point you just made about the thing. The first segment, and I'll admit there's some loopholes, why is Nick Aldus telling Kevin Owens don't come to the building,

but they'll play his videos from him sitting in his fucking rental car? And he always, you know, seems to show up when he's needed anyway. But at the same point, again, this is wrestling. they are making a hold or a move dangerous. They've decided, okay, this is a revolutionary thought. Let's make the pile driver illegal. Let's make the pile driver dangerous, so every time somebody either gets a pile driver

or goes to give somebody a pile driver, the people are going to go ape shit. Oh, no, don't do that to him. Oh, shit. I wish somebody had thought of this before. You know, really it's impressive when you think about the fact it comes on the heels of them getting Bronson Reed splash. Oh, yes. Something that he was just doing and no one cared about.

He's still doing it. And now it's something that gets people up on their feet. Yes, it's like he tries to go to the top. Oh shit, don't let him do that. God damn it. That's the idea. A big splash and a pile driver. They've been doing them since

while Bill Longson and Martin the Blimp Levy, Right? Levy. Levy, Levy, you say potato, I say you're distracting from my point. But it's simple shit that people can do and do safely. And they're getting carried out from it. And it's causing the fans to go, shit, whenever somebody tries to do it. And that is what, well, remember we did that deal in Johnson City, Tennessee, in Smoky Mountain Wrestling,

where Al Snow ended up a pile driving Ricky Morton, I think it was in a cage match, nobody could stop him, whatever the fuck, but he pile drives him once regular boom and Ricky's selling

and then he pile drives him on the fucking chair. And oh my God, and we called the ambulance and had him pull right into the building and the fans watched the EMTs strapping Ricky to the board and loading him in the back of the ambulance. and guys were waiting in a parking lot for Al Snow afterwards.

Like, and a couple of women cried. Imagine that. Coincidentally enough, they were all pregnant with Ricky's babies. No, now, only three. But that's the point. That's what you do, because it's wrestling. You make the shit that, that you establish a hold or a move as dangerous.

and then you find the guy that can do it well and then he does it and people go ape shit over it, although in this case, be honest, as we mentioned, is a shitty pile driver, but they freaked out over it so, you know, it kind of slipped by. But if it had been Paul Orndorff out there with that pile driver, my God, people had gone apeshit. Well, the other thing, too, that really stands out,

and it's something that, you know, I hate to always do compare and contrast, but it's something you don't see as much with the other company. The pile driver looked like shit. The way they put the angle over was great, but also Randy Orton's selling. Yes. Put it over the top. And that's a big part of what's missing.

Seth Rawlins is selling when Bronson Reed was given in the splash or later on here with Roman. You have to sell things. If you're doing nonstop Canadian destroyers, which are pile drivers in a sense, or tombstone. In some sense. or tombstone pile drivers nonstop

or whatever it is and no one sells anything and everyone's just bouncing around still it's a cool match for people into cool visuals but it's defeating the actual core purpose of what wrestling's supposed to do what now we've found

what AEW and Tony Con are good at defeating the true purpose of what wrestling is supposed to do so anyway Cody comes out to the race for the in-ring promo and they chanted, et cetera. And all he has to do is say, well, Kevin Owens, he mentions the name, he crossed the line, I want to see him right now.

That's all he did. Here comes Owens. I'm sorry, here comes Aldus instead. And is it new his haircut that's new that he's bald on both sides of his head? Who are you talking about here? Aldus? Nick Aldus. I did not even notice, so I can't tell him.

I just note, I thought it was a new haircut, but I wish men who have hair wouldn't cut it off. Well, that's a very wrestling thing, especially wrestling in the 90s, like having hair on top and just shaving the sides. Well, yeah, but he's a goddamn executive now, and he's to look like a normal person. But anyway, that's all this tells the story, that the pile driver is banned and it's been banned because we don't want guys in wheelchairs in 20 years. Imagine that. and then he said

and Owens is not going to be here not going to be allowed in this arena or the arenas until we figure out what to do about this I think why was it taking you so long I know they're trying but there's a little loophole why is it taking them so long to figure out what to do about this but anyway Cody tells Aldous that he's given Owens what he wants

and you know that's that's he wants he wants to be the center of attention like this and all of a sudden he's not letting the inmates run the asylum and owens is not going to be here until this is resolved internally and cody makes the pitch to alders you were a wrestler you know what this means let me stop you because i thought it was interesting he says you were a wrestler you still are a wrestler well he said it in a you know the deep down type of thing you still are a bad a wrestler, a competitor. I still don't think that they're teasing

trying to get Aldous involved wrestling at this point. But he appealed to his sense of competitive spirit, let's say. And Randy Orton's a friend of mine. He means so much to me. And it was because of him that Owens did what he did. And, you know, he's like, do I have to beat Owens his ass in his front yard? And again, I say, preposterous as that sounds, you know, A.E.W. would do it. And so anyway, Cody made the big appeal

to Aldus, but he said, hey, the ball's in your court, but I'm not going to wait too long before he takes matters into his own hands. So, are you interested in Cody and Owens? You know, I am interested in where they're going, and I thought Cody did a good job here coming off a few really pretentious promos. I mean, the first thing that was a good start was him coming out there with a shirt on with cut off sleeves as opposed to dressed like some fancy turn-of-the-century barber or whatever a fuck he's doing. Standing outside his place, come on in, get a shave. I thought Cody did a good job because the angry Cody, the mad Cody, the motivated Cody is the best one. It really is the only one that

works. Otherwise, he's just giving speeches to like the middle school auditorium. Yeah. So I thought this was good. In terms of the booking of Owens, even before this, remember, they didn't want Randy Orton to get in a ring with him. He's so dangerous. Now he's in his car every week. They had to bring up the Lamborghini. Do you know about that? No, honestly, I don't.

Does he really have a Lamborghini? Well, this week on social media, I don't know where they originated from, but photos emerged from outside of a taping of Kevin Owen showing Randy Orton his brand new hamburger guinea, which, you know, again, I don't know where they originate from. I don't know if they're new photos, which breaks a lot of cave, a whole lot of cave favor. Well, but wait a minute.

But besides the way to, besides the fact, Owens showing Orton his fucking car, where does Owens live now? Is he still in Canada? Orton's in St. Louis. How were they, how did they drive to each other in some fashion? I don't know exactly, but the photos were after. all of a sudden this week. So when he brought up, he has a Lamborghini,

I was like, that's interesting. Why? You know, what the fuck? But this was good. And all this is... Hey, if he does have a Lamborghini,

you know why that I'm sitting here right now doing a podcast and the comfort of my own home and El Owens is out there still getting fucking thrown through furniture? Because he's got a Lamborghini and I got a 2007 Ford Expedition with 3002,000 miles on it. It's better.

In terms of the upkeep and everything, fancy cars are just not worth it. I'm telling you. Well, how much does a Lamborghini cost to begin with? And why would anybody want to spend that much money on a fucking car? What if you had a small dick? Then I wouldn't need a fucking car at all. I wouldn't never go anywhere. That would be your solution to having a small thing.

I will never go anywhere. I'll just, well, I don't go anywhere anyway, but I used to go places. My dick hasn't shrunk and the same size it always was. give or take it's still hanging in there I'm not saying it was impressive to begin with but what was the point oh the line was hey the point was you asked me the question

which makes me want to ask you the question are you interested in Owens and Cody well that's yeah I mean it's not it's not chopped liver but the way that they're trying to make Owens as dangerous I guess maybe because I know him

you know he's not a dangerous prize fighting lunatic I would if powerhouse Hobbs was getting this push I would be worried for Cody's safety or Orton or anybody else but it's fucking steam but anyway it's better than what they got going on on the other side well that was a fine opening to Smackdown yes it was and we'll get to this but the bloodline still looking for a fifth guy. And they also had a United States title, women's title tournament.

Now they've got another women's title. United States title tournament three-way match where whoever wins this goes to fight whoever else does something else. Bailey versus Candy versus B-Fab. And I said, good God, I have to watch a little bit of this for B-Fab, right? and within seconds Bailey just bailed out and left candy and BFab

and it looked like two drunk babysitters fighting over the key to the liquor cabinet. See, Bailey had the same reaction you did. I just got to sit back and watch some of this match. Yes. And I got to, you know, AEW has girls that can't work doing everything, and the WWE has girls that can't work, but they don't do anything. They just kind of jerk each other around. anyway it was a strip club jello wrestling match is what it was oh come and we were half an hour in by the time

the thing was over with who won i don't know i got tired of watching them you know what made you give up at what point did you give up just my lack of caring they weren't doing anything funny goofy bad they were just it was just bad so la night does an in-ring promo and they're chanting for him and they love him and he said Sammy Zane asked him to be the fifth guy at war games but it's not his fight and he hopes they kill each other

and he's got another open channel he's got another open challenge going on and they play music and here comes Escobar and the lucha heels and I'm like Jesus Christ why are they continually giving him people to work with that nobody gives a shit about? At this point it's been a long time of that, hasn't it?

We thought him getting the U.S. title was going to elevate him to another thing and he's still just doing what he was doing. And he's not even, he's doing, they're trying to stick him in with some of these people, I guess they're going to tell care about some of these people, but what the, their main event stars around here, Can he work with any of them? Even if you don't want to put the belt on them, move him over the raw, and let him do some kind of feud with Goonther.

Because people treat him like they want to be more into him, and then they're given no reason to continue to feel that way, but somehow it has not trickled down. It hasn't hurt his popularity. But eventually it's going to run out if they don't do something. Well, and that's, you know... It can't just be the bloodline segment's over, so now here's me wrestling,

whatever guy has nothing to do on the roster. And I mean, the interview, Escobar is talking, and L.A. Knight jumps in and he keeps the promo going where people are halfway into it. But then one of the Stooges jumps him. They go to the break. They come back. U.S. title, L.A. Knight versus Lucha Stoge. And this is what I'm talking about. L.A. Knight finally he wins with the BFT. F.T. and he's celebrating in the ring and suddenly he gets leveled by a guy in a black leather raincoat and it's shaky Nakamura. I had forgotten that he existed

charitably enough. You know what? I fast forward through the segment after a while, which I regret because I like LA night, but I missed this. This is news to me. I didn't know.

No, no, no. That's why I thought, you know, we were going because we were just talking about they keep giving him people who gives a shit and here comes, who gives a shit? You know what? I think people give more of a shit about Nakamura. This is very low praise. But I think the WWE fans give more of a shit about Nakamura

than the Lucha suits, Carmelo Hayes, Andrade, and everyone else he's been tied up with for a long time. I'll take it. I'll take it. But God, and again, how old is Shaky? He's got to be almost 60 now. You do this every time and it turns out he's a lot younger than you think. Shin Ska Nakamura. He is 44 years old. He's my age. He's my age. As Mama Cornette would say he's had a hard life. Maybe I should do that with my hair. Hmm. Interesting. He's 44. Hold on. How old is LA night? 42. Okay, look at both of them physically and tell me there's only two years. difference. What happened to Nakamura's chassis? Now, L.A. and I definitely could pull off

like several years younger. Well, I'm surprised he's 42. That's crazy. And Nakamura could pull off his fucking support hose with a little help from his private therapy nurse. Now stop it. Now look, you say these things about some guys who really, like, Ishii looks like a little old man. If someone told you that man is 68, you'd make, well, he's in good shape for a 68 year old little man. Nakamura looks a lot younger than that, so you're being unfair. Oh, all right, then I'll go back to my previous description.

He looks like the heel in a Raymond Chow Kung Fu flick. Well, let's see where they go with this. It beats the tease of a feud with the lucha suits. Give it that. Yeah, at least he got to beat somebody, you know, before they lowered the boom on him. Anyway, we were at 9 o'clock. We were at 9 o'clock here in this program suddenly.

And they're in Roman Raines' locker room. Jay and Jimmy and Sammy and Roman walks in and Sammy you know he's a want to hey we we got nothing we got no fifth guy nobody will there's nobody nobody will do this

and Jay says make the call and then suddenly the new bloodline's music is playing and they're seeing on the monitor that the new bloodline are walking to the ring So there's a lot of interaction here and out with this.

Well, that reaction, the reaction when the bloodline music hit and Romans just like, what? Like he looks a little worried. There's a monitor right next to him. So eventually he realizes it's there and he turns and he looks and then they go to that. It was, again, give Paul Heyman his Emmy and the whole tease of, did you make that call? Have you had that call? You don't know exactly who it's with yet, but there's something going on and it'll pay off. but they're starting to put that in everyone's mind right now.

But they didn't have time to make the call because the music play. That's right. Let the music play! So then Solo and his group are in the ring and he tells Milwaukee to acknowledge him. Boo! And then suddenly Roman's music plays. They don't even need to fucking go out and say anything now. and the original tribal chief, the OTC and his guys,

go to the ring and the brief face off and they just break into an eight way. And it's back and forth, Jacob blaze the Uso's out. And solo goes to spike Sammy, but Roman Spears solo and gets a big pop, and Sammy dives on the heels. And then Roman and Fatu are in the ring. And they're circling each other. and we've got the OTC chance and then suddenly

Bronson Reed levels Roman from behind and squishes him and then Fai Tew gives him you're really reducing it they built it up so well so they had that moment where Roman and Jacob Fattu were squaring off and the fans were ready for it yes that's what I'm saying

and then Bronson Reed levels him and squishes him and I told you what do we do on the show we did last week or whatever or whenever we did one of the shows that we do every two days i said it i think they should have just gone four on four because they've inserted bronzen reed and set ralins in where they don't they're mad at each other but they didn't really fit either group and that's why they with bronson reed because they're all like ah five

because now you know but then fatu gets back and gives him the ass in a face And everybody else comes back in and gets in a big fight, and the heels kick the shit out of the baby faces because they're outnumbered. And Fatu gets his moonsault, and Bronson Reed gets his splash. But then Roman fights back against everybody, but Solo spikes him. And Fatu moonsaults him again, Reed splashes him. And security runs in, and the heels celebrate. But I don't know.

What do you think? they've diluted they've diluted the blood the blood is no longer pure I don't know if I would put it that way but many people are these days are they putting Bronson Reed in the bloodline

or is it just for the Survivor Series match well I'm sure it's just for the war games but I'm okay with it because you know what there's a bigger story too that eventually has to play out with Rollins and Roman

you know, Rollins still doesn't like Roman from the shield and everything. So there's still something there that that's the best stuff with Rollins. It isn't his goofy promos. It's teasing the fucking issues he has with everyone else. So I'm okay with it. I'd like to see where that goes. So you're saying it's him. He's got issues with everybody.

I'm not saying it's him. I'm saying that's the most interesting thing about him. Ah. Well, you don't know him personally. Have you know he's an expert? I don't know. I guess I just don't know, but... Very interesting. But anyway, so, so yes, but here goes what's going on. The bloodline is, you know, now they got to have the fifth guy. And so anyway,

the only way it's not wrongs is if it, well, it won't happen, but if it was Brock Lesnar. But now that, because there's a connection through Heyman, So that would not technically, to me, be diluting the purity of the blood. Because what's make the call? You know, what's make the call to Heyman? Is it just, hey, we need you here. Well, he didn't say Heyman earlier. He said, make the call and the music cut off.

Well, based on... Based on... Based on the end of the show... Well, should we go ahead and reveal the end of the show because it was a very short shot anyway? Is that at the very end of the show, there's Romans sitting in his room again and he's sore it he's all beat up and he realizes he's got to do what he's got to do

and he gets out his fancy Dan phone and he speaks into it he says call the wise man and the place blows because they're watching it on the screen right and it's a big pop and then he gets the the number you have reached is not in service Which is better than when Paul used to pretend to be his own roommate. Well, yeah.

He's not here. I'll tell him when he gets back in. But so, and then everybody's, oh. So now, sorry, wrong number. So why is he trying to call the wise man? Is it just to be there in their corner? Is it because they need help getting a fifth partner? They need advice.

They need wiseness. they need wiseosity and where do you get wisosity from but the wise man should haman return looking exactly the same or would it be a would it be a disappointment if he didn't grow out his beard and let his hair turn white and he comes back looking more wizardly he comes back looking like fucking sika is what you're saying I guess not I guess not I guess not

what about if he came back weighing 178 pounds I don't think that will be happening. I don't think that's ever happened maybe in his career. Hey, when I weighed 220, I had about 25 pounds on him. The pop he got when they mentioned him. And when we talked about the top of the review, the things you remember from this show, that's really the thing you remember. Yeah.

Is him trying to get the wise man on the phone and he wasn't there. I'm lucky I saw it live because I went back and watched it a second time on the DVR, that one part, because I took it off mute because I was watching it. watching the Logan, or not Logan, the Jake Paul Tyson thing, it cut off on my DVR. All we get is Roman coming into the dressing room holding his ribs and then it cuts off. Thank God I didn't have to rely on that. I mean, it's a WWE thing. It's everywhere as soon as it happens, but.

Well, but you know what? They milked it all the way till the end of the show. And it was just, you know, a 30-second thing. So mine caught it and boom, right at the end of it froze up all. so, but it was very important. It's what it was. So who do you think the fifth member will be of their team? Without knowing anything, because we're, you know, a couple of weeks away.

We'll do the preview next week. If it, if it wasn't going to be Seth, they wouldn't have done this business, I don't think. And I think it'll be Seth because of the necessity of him wanting to get his hands on Bronson Reed, but Brock would be fucking fabulous. Holy shit. How about if they go to the ring with Seth and then, hey, he's not. Heyman shows up with Brock expecting to be the partner and then you have problems. See, that's the best thing about the bloodline stuff.

You never, you never really know where it's going exactly. You think you do. And they kind of go in a certain way. And then, because it's classic Heyman, Heyman can't do endings. This doesn't need an ending. Yeah. Just keep it going, like the days of our lives. He'd never, he can never wrap anything up, but he can keep it going for fucking ever.

That's right. and does haman need to show up in person if it was brock yes we were thinking well we were thinking that heyman would preface brock returning but maybe would brock show up you know in the clinch having been sent by haman haman haman has to show but brock if it's a part of this or hamon has to walk out and wave brock out because everyone knows even when roman was feuding with brock remember brock was like you didn't know i was here i told him. You know, they still had the relationship in the middle of that feud, Heyman and Lesnar on camera. Well, and remember also, and by the way, we've still got

CM Punk and Drew McIntyre that's floating around out there taking time off selling the last match. Logan Paul, not around it a long time either. Well, yeah, the way he fucking sucked up to Agent Orange, he could stay gone. But no, the point is, they mentioned that punk was off limits because of respect to Hayman. right, remember? They mentioned that when punk first came back. So there's ways and things and ways and means that they could do.

But anyway, going back to the show, because we didn't end the show yet, there's more in the show. Because Owens was in his car. And he's disappointed. They won't let him in the arena. But he got a call from Nick Aldus to be at Smackdown next week, so they don't disappoint Cody the golden boy but

when Owen shows up he says he's just doing what everybody wants him to do just doing his job I'd like him show up and do the job but nevertheless Brian were the street profits baby faces again I thought they were not this week I was pretty sure when I saw them come out that they were heels here well that's what I thought

they were heels of while back but then I thought they were baby faces again. But now they were against Shelley and Sabin for the tag team title and yeah. But then it didn't go long because Champa is mad that his little buddy Johnny's same face is still friends with Shelley and Sabin. So Champa came in and shoved one of the street profits off the top rope and got a disqualification and posted the other one.

then kicked the shit out of both of them. And here came little Johnny in and Champa shoved the garden gnome on his ass and walked out of the ring. So now Shelley and Sabin tried to pick street prophets up and apologize to him.

But Dawkins punched Shelley in the face and the prophets left. And if this breaks Champa and Gargana, up, I will, I'll kiss somebody. Just so I can bear to watch Champ again without having to see that. Yeah, and his feud. And his fucking little fucking cookie bacon fucking tree dwelling

motherfucker standing next to him. Well, that's what you're going to see him with. And his feud with Gargano. Oh, God damn. I forgot about that. Then I'm just going to break him up with that fire Gargano. Well, that would be the optimum. Can they send candy packing too along with that? and then anyway, the women's title was on the line with Naomi against the refrigerator in the main event.

And for some reason or another, Naomi and the refridge were both down on the floor, so on the screen, in the back, Bianca and Jade could get beaten up by Liv and Rochelle, Rochelle. And then they went back to the match, and both of them were still selling on the floor, and the referee leaned over and gave Naomi the cue, and she got up.

But then Tiffy attacked Naomi, and the fridge went for a splash, and Naomi was up, and Fridge went to slammer off the ropes, and Naomi rolled through it for a two-count. I thought they were going to kill both of them. And then Bailey jumped Tiffy, and Naomi kept getting two-counts until finally.

Finally, the refrigerator Samoan dropped her off the turnbuckle and gave her the bonsai one, two, three. So that was exciting and thrilling. And that was Smackdown. And that was Smackdown. The number you have reached is not in service. More on this later. All right. This is your show.

Well, you know what? It's 10 o'clock at night at that point. Eastern time. Right, Brian? Right. It's time to get it. a good night's sleep. For some, yes.

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You can't lay down on our mattresses, you big fat fuck, you're going to break something. They wouldn't talk like that. I know a responsible person would. They have hundreds of people laying on these mattresses in these mattress stores. every day. Hundreds. And hundreds. And then they'll just sell it to you and you'll take it home and who knows where it's been.

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Well, I was going to mention that, but it's just, it's the Hall of Fame, you know, just to, in short version, just for everybody. Now, because it's the season for that. It always comes out right before Thanksgiving so the people can argue about it over their family dinners. And is it getting a little bit complicated now? Is whatever fascination that Dave and Tony Kahn share with numbers and percentages and ratings points and all this, all this mathematical mumbo-jumbo, has he got over most people's heads at this point?

I don't know how to answer that. I mean, I still get a ballot. I haven't voted in several years. I stopped voting. I stopped doing a show about, you know, various voters talking about who they were voting for because I really got fed up with, I realized this Hall of Fame is nonsense

because of the voting body. And, you know, I've seen various random, people, even on Dave's message board, just say, oh yeah, yeah, I vote, here's where I go. Who the fuck is this? You know, they're not a reporter, they're not a historian. They're not a wrestler, active or retired.

Yeah, that's supposed to be the four categories of people that vote for this are current wrestlers, retired wrestlers, historians and reporters. Right. And typically the reporters are the ones who vote, you know, stupidly at times. And I'd like to know who would. I think there needs to be some sort of disclosure. How many people are voting? Dave Meltzer's, you know,

protégés that he has taught how to be reporters. Well, we don't know that. We actually don't know anything. And I think there should be some sort of disclosure about who is voting. How many people are voting and who is voting? But I stopped voting because I thought it was ridiculous. And when you, it started just becoming a,

a frustrating thing to look at people who, they're no-brainers, but especially based on people that are already, in. You know, again, Morris Siegel. That was the... Morris Segal, Roy Welch, and Wild Bull Curry are on the ballot because I made that an issue. And none of them are still in the Hall of Fame. But Paul Bosch is, and Paul Bosch should be. But he can't be if Marce Siegel isn't. But Marce Siegel wasn't friends with Dave. So Morris Segal wasn't in the first class in a Hall of Fame like Paul Bosch was.

Well, and here's part of the thing is that now, for, for, four, you, for, four, a number of years, you know, you would see, okay, this is the new class for the Hall of Fame. Okay, these are Hall of Fame wrestlers in pretty much anybody's book, you know, names that supposedly

the parameters are longevity, working ability, drawing power, historical significance, that kind of thing. And you most of the time would say, okay, these particular people probably are Hall of Fame wrestlers. But then over the last,

what is it, 10 or 15 years now, he decided, well, enough people aren't getting in from Japan or Mexico or in other places around the world because most of his readers were English-speaking readers who live in the United States, Canada, whatever. So he broke it down into

U.S. and Canada modern, U.S. and Canada historical, Japan, Mexico, and the rest of the world. But he has somehow also figured out that to get inducted in the Hall of Fame, in the U.S. and Canada modern category, you need 274 votes. But in the U.S. and Canada historical category,

you need 243 votes. In Japan, you need 10044. 169, Mexico, I guess the peso has been devalued. You only need 113. But you can vote for all of them. And the rest of the world, you need 127. But you can vote for all of them. But anybody from any part of the cook can vote for it.

That's what the fuck. Now it sounds like a goddamn AW wrestling angle. You know, it's like Dave's star system. Dave can't really explain or justify the way that it's been done. And again, he can't justify or explain who he's given some of these ballots. to. Jim, before we go over who got in, if you don't mind, I find this fascinating. Okay. Can I go over with you the list of the people who got below 60%? That's the threshold to get in. And above 45%. So right below getting in, you know, if things are gone a little, a few more votes from

someone who declared themselves an expert in a certain region and who knows what happens. not getting in 159 votes, Bobby Bruns. So that's 56.4%. A historical figure of incredible significance, especially when it comes to Japanese wrestling history, and Ricky Dozan. And of course... Bobby Bruns, for people who may just have wandered in

out of the rain, was not only a wrestler, but a successful booker and promoter from the Central States area who, arranged the first major tours of Japan and found Ricky Dozan and basically was instrumental in starting pro wrestling in Japan and he did a bunch of things over here in this country also. Yeah, in St. Louis?

And he got, he didn't get in, he was right under the cutoff with 159 votes but then the guy underneath him who didn't get in got 218 votes. But Bobby Bruns had a 56.4% showing and the 218 votes

only at 53.8%. That's what... What the fuck is going on here? And by the way, the person you're talking about who didn't get in with all those votes, that's the junkyard dog. And that's always been an annual issue. Why isn't he in the Hall of Fame?

He's up. He got 40% last year. 53.8% I guess of the people voting for U.S. and Canada historical. Or is it modern? Is that modern or historical? I dare you would think he'd be modern. But nevertheless. Well, under Junkyard Dog, Hayabusa, with 150 votes, obviously the Japanese category, 53.2%. Dory Dixon, with 99 votes, because that would be for Mexico.

Not for anything he did here. That would be only for Mexico. 53.2% with 99 votes. And I got to be, I saw Dory Dixon. When I was a kid on television, I didn't see him live, but he and Bobo Brazil were partners in a team for a while, blah, blah, blah. It's one of the oldest living wrestlers right now. Yes, but I'm sorry.

That's what I'm saying. We can't possibly even read this entire list of people who didn't make it in because it looks like, you know, 100 fucking, It looks like a Hall of Fame. That's what it looks like. Actually, no, it doesn't all because some of the names, yes, but some come on. Right. But he's got to put them up there, but it's this giant list.

And you want to talk about who didn't get in, the Just Unders, but I think you got to compare it with who did get in first to see what the fuck this doesn't make any sense. Because for, go ahead. No, no, I'll let you go ahead. Well, that's what I'm saying is that we are talking that Junkyard Dog didn't get in, that CM Punk was not voted in the Wrestling Hall of Fame. Okay, he's still active. Maybe they take that tactic. Dynamite Kid and Davey Boy Smith.

As a team. British Bulldogs as a team. Because Dynamite is already in. He was in the first class. Okay. Okay. Then we've established that you could be singles and tags from the other Hall of Fames, whatever.

Kevin and Kerry and David Von Eric, they didn't get in, but Seema got in. Now, a lot of the fans may not be too familiar with Seema. You think? Can you? You want to explain to all the listeners who Hall of Fame wrestler Seema is? CIMA, I will have to go to the description because I don't fucking know. Hold on.

where is he described? He's described somewhere in there. Somewhere in here. But he got 170 votes for Japan, which is 60.3%, up from 23% last year. So a major boost. Oh, okay.

He was a member of Ultimo Dragon's first training class in 1997 and quickly became the top star of the Touraman promotion. and then he appeared several times early in his career in WCW and he feuded with Magnum Tokyo and then Toriamon became Dragon Gate. He once had a 574 day run as Open the Dreamgate Champion but he was never considered a major promotion

nor drew the crowds that got people like Maida, Takata, and Onita in. Sounds like a Hall of Famer. He was the guy that did the OWE in China. And when AW started out, remember they had the little tiny... Oh, they announced a big partnership with them. Yes. And then their promotion fell... O-W-E fell apart.

But they went to GLEET. GLEAT, G-L-E-A-T, another smaller promotion, apparently run by sheep. Gleet? Gleet? so this is a guy that's into fucking Hall of Fame but Junkyard Dog is not nor is Seam Punk nor the British Bulldogs nor the

Unerick Brothers and we can go on another one I think is important to bring up this year specifically for not getting in the Hall of Fame for the reasons other people did and by the way Morris Siegel who I mentioned earlier 195 votes 48.1% up from 31% last year see again I think certain people of a certain era just need to be put in because it was an oversight. Not like on the ballot and every year it has to be another fucking effort to re-educate

or educate for the first time anyone on basic wrestling history. But not getting in the Hall of Fame, first year on the ballot, 220 votes. Cody Rhodes. And again, the most popular baby face and the world champion of the hottest promotion on the planet who has a remarkable turnaround from being on AEW television and people go, eh, because everybody was eh, to walking in there and having great matches, drawing record crowds, doing, you know, whatever the fuck.

But Cody Rhodes doesn't get voted into this, but Seema. Well, more importantly, and we'll talk about this, one, I'm sure the Young Bucks got in. And I'm saying, what I'm saying is if... That was a point that... If you get credit, if part of your Hall of Fame credential is credit for your role in being there

with Tony when AEW was created, they can't get the credit of Cody doesn't. Well, yes, because part of Dave's justification for the Young Bucks going into his Hall of Fame there, after he's been their press agent for all these years and try to

push for it, is that, well, the historical significance and the game-changing aspect of them and AEW. Well, Cody did it too. And Cody was the business mind. Cody was the one that was trying to be a producer and trying to be an EVP and trying to fucking help these guys figure out how to do television. He's the only one who grew from that. Again, where are the Young Bucks today in 2024? They've never meant less. They don't draw. People don't react to them. People are sick of them. They don't sell merch. everything that made them great on the Indies died completely on a national stage

and they're dead in the water and people don't want to see them and they keep having to be repackaged with the hopes that anything will work and it doesn't work because they're morons but again if they're in the Hall of Fame because the only real things they have going for them are

they've won Dave's awards a number of times from his voters Yeah, well, this unprecedented streak of tag team of the year awards certainly qualifies them. What the fuck? It was the same people giving them the tag team of the year awards. They drew some nice crowds on the Indies, again, where people still don't want to accept the fact that Tony Khan was going to start this company one way or another without the bucks. It was with or without the, he was going to start this company. Yeah.

But we all want to pretend that the bucks were a key part of it. Again, if they are, Cody is, more than Omega, if they are Cody is, and what have they done since then? It's a disaster. Every time they're on the show, the ratings go down. It's a disaster. Meanwhile, Cody is one of the biggest drawing cards in the business today. So that's one of the issues also with having active wrestlers on the ballot.

And I'm against it in general, and I know no one ever really retires, but that's the problem. I think Young Bucks and Cody are all in the same category. They shouldn't be on the ballot while they're in their 30s. If you're in the 30s, unless you're like in a wheelchair, you shouldn't be on the ballot. Well, and again, you know, Dave was able to convince what, how many votes today, 280 people that the young bucks have done all this. And because it's his fascination. And I'm, hold on, I'm going to quote this, there is the argument on the other side that as far as being

national stars, they'd be well behind people like Edge, Orton, and Goldberg, none of whom came close, and even Owens and Zane, but one could argue their importance in making R.O.H. a place you can go and make a living. And then AEW, a place where guys

can make the best money other than modern WWE in history is a difference maker. So... No, no, that's actually not right at all, Dave. Jesus. They don't get any... They don't get credit for that. They made all of a sudden they changed R-O-H so that people were making a living.

The houses went up, people got paid more. But again, we talked about before the categories, amongst the reporters, whoever they may be. The Young Bucks came in, where are they on this list? Hold on this list. Number two. Number two on those. Young Bucks second on the list among reporters, 14th among historians, 14th among active professionals and with retired professionals, they didn't place.

So again, who is voting? They're personal friends. See, that's the other issue. If you are a wrestling reporter, and that doesn't mean you're someone who knows much about history, and that's not to put anyone down, but there are all sorts of wrestling reporters. If you're a wrestling reporter and you're covering these people, if you're going to these events, if you're trying to get into the media scrum, if you're at the hotel, trying to talk to these people or at the conventions.

You may not vote the right way. See, that's the problem. If you're a reporter, it doesn't mean you're knowledgeable. You may just be voting for the people you have access to. I think the reporter, I think it needs to be disclosed who the reporters are, quite frankly. And the historians, too. I mean, the historians list isn't as offensive as the reporter's list, but I think Dave needs to disclose how many people are voting

and other than active wrestlers and we could discuss whether active wrestlers should be voting, who's voting? The Baseball Hall of Fame doesn't have the active baseball players voting.

That'd be a disaster. You know how many nitwits there are in locker rooms? Well, besides that, a couple guys can say, hey, I'll vote for you, do you vote for me? Yeah.

But let's tell the people who actually got in. Yes. Now that we've been doing 20 minutes on this, Roman Raines was at the top and should be, for God's sake. And then in second place, Shingo Takagi. Now, Roman Rain's got 307 votes.

Shingo came in second, but he only needed 185. And does he tell us who the fuck Shingo Takagi is? I think we saw him on AEW, didn't we? Oh, good Lord. Well, in that case, that you know where their minds are at. and then number three with 291 votes just under Roman reigns Paul Orndorff yes Paul Orndorff is a fucking

Hall of Fame wrestler under any circumstances not only for longevity and would have been longer if he hadn't had the nerve injury and drawing power and working ability I saw him in in 1977

Jared brought him to Tennessee because Eddie Graham and they had been training him and they wanted him to get some experience. They showed the footage of him and Bob Backland working out doing that hero Matsuda fucking old-time shit where they had their

legs interlocked and they were doing back bridges and then sit-ups off of each other. Just these amazing calisthenics. He looked like a goddamn beast. He drew against Lawler in the main events for the Southern Title after three weeks.

Just on TV, beat a couple people, and boom. And in the next four years, what? He worked in Mid-South against DiBiase and Rup. He was in the Carolina's World Tag Team Champions with. He and Snooka went back to Florida, worked for Eddie Graham. He worked main event and hung with the very best talent in the business right off the bat. and ended up being Hulk Hogan's most lucrative house show run. Main event at WrestleMania 1.

Yeah, I mean, did everything. So yes, Paul Orndorff, and yes, Roman Raines, in the middle is Shingo Tikagi. And then also made it it at Johnny Rujo, who honestly, he may be predate even some of our elderly audience, but he's a Hall of Fame guy because of the drawing power and the family, the dynasty that he established in Montreal. But the young bucks got more votes than Johnny Rugeot did. And then Los Hermannos Dinamita got in with 115 votes.

They should have been in a long time ago, too, quite frankly. Well, but, you know... That's C.N. Carls? No, I mean, in terms of the list, Luchilebra, that Siancarus and his brothers. They were a big deal. Well, yes, but maybe it needs to be a English-speaking Hall of Fame, a Spanish-speaking Hall of Fame, and a Japanese-speaking Hall of Fame. Well, I think the issue is just being able to vote for anyone, and then it's classified into the regions. If that's the case, it should be just voters from that region,

not just wrestlers who appeared in that region sometimes. Spiros Arian didn't get in. He had 97 votes, but that's, you know, less than a lot of other people under him. Well, yeah, well, and let's finish up. Seema got in Johnny Saint because he is a favorite because of his style and, you know, originating a lot of that type of thing. But was Johnny Saint ever a big draw in England? Well, the big draw was Big Daddy and he's not in. And he'll never be in.

Before Big Daddy. I'm talking about the big draw. draws? Are we rewarding technicians now? In that case, is Johnny, or is Johnny, is Tony Charles in the Hall of Fame if we're just rewarding technicians? What is Seema in for? Realistically, is Seema in for- Apparently running his fucking company and China out of business with a billion and a half potential customers. Well, before that, he's in there for his style. He's not in there for drawing. It's not like, oh, he was a major draw. I mean, that's the other thing about Takagi, too. Tukagi debuted in like 2005.

So he's a Hall of Famer and a main eventer in an era where Japanese wrestling fell off the map, had to like almost get rebooted, and now is in another hole. So, you know, someone being a Hall of Famer from Japan for the last 20 years is a whole lot different than someone who came up in the 70s, 80s, or even 90s. When it was a major business. Yeah, I mean, Seema came up in the 90s, but at that point, you know, the Indies had flooded Japan or about to, and a lot of them were doing this lucha style that Ultima

that Ultimate Dragon taught everyone. But again, Seema, I mean, it's hard to justify a Seema when you can't have a Bobby Bruns or a junkyard dog. It's hard to justify a Youngbucks when CM Punk and Cody Rhodes aren't in. Or the Steiner brothers. Or the Steiner's who were the greatest fucking tag team.

Let me, and by the way, one more person made it in, Bobby Davis, the man, and obviously that is a long overdue, another oversight. The, you know, the inspiration for Bobby Heenan and myself and every other

weasley manager. But okay, let's examine that the young bucks made it in, Seema made it in, Shingo Takagi made it in, but as I mentioned, the Steiner brothers, way down on the list. The Steiner brothers aren't in

but the young bucks are. the British Bulldogs, the Von Erick brothers. And to be honest with you, Mark and Jay Briscoe, where it did not make it in, they're on the list. Everybody knows how much I liked Mark and Jay Briscoe as people and as talents, but they aren't Hall of Fame wrestlers. They're not a Hall of Fame tag team. If they had been able to go to the WWE and been anywhere near themselves,

it would be a no-brainer, but they didn't get the opportunity. So we can't let sentiment cloud. Did they have the talent to be? Did they have the, absolutely, did they have the opportunity to be Hall of Famers? No. So we can't let sentiment cloud these things.

Adrian Street. Hey, listen, if Ring of Honor's success with the Young Bucks is a part of what someone needs for a Hall of Fame, then you've got to think about that with the Bulls. briskos. Well, but what I'm saying is the opposite point is that the bucks don't deserve to be involved. Right.

And I'm saying it works both ways. I agree with you. Yeah. And the briscoes deserve to be involved a lot more than the bucks because at least they were a better team for longer. But no. And I love Adrian Street. I can't say Hall of Fame wrestler and it was some of these other names.

He got one more vote than George Gordianko. Yeah. That's the same category. Wild Bull Curry that you mentioned earlier. Seriously, fucking hell. Wild Bull Curry. One of the most famous pro wrestlers in the history of the sport. Longevity, he main evented from the late 30s to the mid-70s.

Late 70s, late 70s. Late 70s. Drawing power off the charts in various eras with and without. television. In various territories. In various territories. Working ability. We've seen it.

He had been a former boxer and a police officer. He looked like he was punching a fuck out of people. And one of the great, Dave said this one time, about Gorilla Monsoon, one of the all-time classic ring names where you're telling me that Wild Bull Curry isn't the same thing.

He fits all the, and he got 30% of the vote. Roy Welch that you mentioned. He's a southern Tutsmont. He's one of five people really in the 40s that pretty much established booking offices that kept the business fucking going. Cowboy Bob Ellis did not make it. One of the biggest baby faces in Jim Barnett's big Midwest territory that we talk about,

Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, worked all over the country. Drew Money main evented everywhere. He was so over in Indiana from drawing 10, 12,000 people in the late 50s, he was still Bruiser's world champion in 1974. He was still drawing 10,000 fucking people.

Iron Sheek didn't make it. John Moxley was on the ballot. Thank God he only got 26% of the vote, so there is some justice. Kevin Sullivan. Kevin Sullivan is not a Hall of Fame wrestler after a 40-year career and Booker and wrestler and blah blah blah And again they just recently or Dave recently added tag teams

So you look at the tag teams here I'm not a believer in Tully and Arne being in the Hall of Fame Only because of the longevity there was it was a year and a half Yeah two years at the most The Hardees steamboat and young blood Heart Foundation Brett Hart and Jim Knightheart Steamboat Youngblood, Hardy Boys. Gordman and Goliath.

Mad Dog and Butcher Vashon. It's every famous tag team ever isn't in the hall of them. Dusty Rose and Dick Murdoch. And Nokia and Sakaguchi, so it's not even just limited to American tag teams like the Steiner's being ignored. It's all over the world. And the young bucks are in a... You know what?

I said it earlier. I don't want to be a part of a fucking club that would have me for a member. if these people consider the Young Bucks more significant, then all those tag teams. I'll bet you Dave renames his tag team of the year award and the Year Underwards after the Young Bucks. I'll betcha he does. He did it for Brian Danielson.

He did it for Lufez. He did it for Rick Flair. Brody. Brody. The Young Bucks Shlong Shlurper Award. Here's other single, Seema. Seema is in the Hall of Fame, but here's who's not.

the Mongolian stomper Pampiro Furpo Bullet Bob Armstrong Killer Carl Cox Bill Goldberg that we mentioned before I mean it's sad is what it is

The idea that Goldberg's not in a Hall of Fame and the Young Bucks are considering national fame, business I mean Goldberg did more business in two years than the Young Bucks did in their entire career put together. They'd been paid more because they found a sucker. But Goldberg did more business.

That's the whole thing behind this is what people forget is that there has never been a case in the 125 year history of organized professional wrestling anywhere in the world, much less this country, where some guy would just say, I'm going to spend several hundred million dollars to book my own wrestling company and boy howdy maybe I'll make a profit sometime but I don't really care this never is never happened before it's not going to happen again and I mean I'm sorry but anybody that thinks that just because the two members of the lollipop guild from rancho kookamonga might not have been available that he wasn't going to fucking do this.

He was going to do this. I talked to him. And I can vouch for the fact that he was goddamn intent on doing this. But anyway, I mean, it's just, it's gotten ridiculous. But this is why I don't vote anymore, because then you feel like your vote means nothing, because

you realize it's you up against a wall. It's you up against an entire voting body. And boy, that sounds familiar. It's us up against a wall of a bunch of fucking lunatics that are voting. When Tony Chivani gets 126 votes, who is using a position on their ballot?

You're allowed to vote for what? Ten people. Tony Chivani got one more vote than Wild Bull Curry did. And he got four, uh, five more votes than Roy Welch. But he only, hey, I just saw this. He only got seven less votes than Randy Orton. Seema is in the hall of. of fame.

Randy Orton is not in the Hall of Fame. You know, but on the other hand, I'm not even saying this. Well, wait a minute. Randy, or longevity, he's been there for 23 fucking years, right? Right. Drawing power. I don't know what else to say there. Incredible worker, probably the best consistent worker they've had for 20 years.

What did Heyman say one time? They said, who's the five wrestlers? you'd sign to start a new promotion. Randy Orton, Randy Orden, Randy Orden, Randy Orden, Randy Orden. And so what am I meant? Longevity, great worker, drawing power. I think for a lot of people from that era, even though he currently goes into this era, of WWE,

they may not get the credit they deserve, and it's hard to figure out who gets what credit for a lot of the big houses when it was brand-based as opposed to wrestler-based. And seen as a clear-cut guy, Orton, Batista, like, there are certain guys that you have to sit and think about, you know, what was them and what wasn't, I think.

I mean, that's the only thing I could think of. He's low on it. He's very low on this. He's low. Because he doesn't do backflips and he makes fun of the people who do and this base here that Dave has cultivated over time. What I was going to say before, though, is all kidding aside,

if there's a wrestling observer newsletter Hall of Fame, the young bucks belong in a wrestling observer newsletter Hall of Fame. If it's a Hall of Fame for people that have been championed in the observer, raved about them in the observer, given star ratings that even people who are friends with them at times, better just, it's Dave masturbating all over himself because he loves them.

If there was ever going to be a Dave Meltzer Hall of Fame, their first ballot. I'm surprised it took him this long, quite frankly. Because Dave, it's been a self-fulfilling prophecy with the young bucks. Dave anointed them, he chose them, went to war with people who didn't accept it.

Remember, it got to the point where Dave was defending Joey Ryan's act. Only because he was friends with them. Yes. So I think they belong in a Dave Meltzer Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame, but it's hard for me,

you know, I like to think I know my shit and it's hard for me to look at a lot of these names and not go, that's, it's not even a question, like Dave should have put them in the first class. To me, that's the standard. If they should have been there in the first body

in whatever it was, 97, 98, I forget when, 96, forget when he started it. You know, Morris Segal, Roy Welch, how are they going to get voted in? How the fuck is that going to happen? How's Wild Bull Curry ever going to get voted in? It isn't going to happen. That's like Abner Doubleday not being in the baseball Hall of Fame if Roy Welch and Morris

Siegel are not in it. By the way, added to next year's ballot, Masaki, Mojizuki. What? Bill Dundee. Wait, hold on. Hold on. I don't know anything about it. Masaki, Mochizuki?

I am not familiar with Mr. or Mrs. I'm actually not even sure. I don't know anything about Mochizuki. That's my point. Bill Dundee, added to the ballot. Gorilla Monsoon, added to the ballot. Wait, he's not, again, how would Gorilla Monsoon not be in a goddamn wrestling Hall of Fame?

I'll tell you why, and I think people will probably reevaluate him or evaluate him for the first time a little differently next year when Brian Solomon's book comes out. But I think a lot of people don't think of him as being a force behind the scenes for Vince McMahon, senior, and important for Vince Jr. But they just think of him as the commentator who, again, go back to the observer, I was a kid in the 80s and the 90s. I like Gorilla Monsoon as a commentator. It didn't bother me. But it bothered Dave a whole lot.

and it bothered a lot of the readers of the observer a whole lot because he was you know he was guerrilla monsoon it was a different kind of thing but he'll be added next year but as far as his drawing power as a wrestler for that incredible run and being the you know a partner

in the Northeast territory for so long and making so much fucking money he was the highest paid pro wrestler probably in the world at one point yeah he may have been one of the highest paid guys in the WWF national expansion because of the deal he had where he was getting paid on every single show that happened every single day of the week. Yeah. And also think about the position he was put in. Buddy Rogers just declared that he was too sick to work or he left or

whatever it was and then needed an opponent for the new champion Bruno and they created Gorilla Monsul Wild Red Berry. And it worked. And it is one of that you brought it up before, one of those legendary names. My dad did not like wrestling. He knew Gorilla Monsu was. But he's not in. Next year added to the ballot, Jesse Ventura. E. O'Sherai. Gilbert Le Duke. Who is Gilbert Le Duke? I don't know, so I can't mock it one way or the other. Are you fucking kidding me? Was he the illegitimate fucking cousin of Joe and Paul? Well, there's a lot of work still being done by historians to uncover a lot of the history of European wrestling and stuff. Maybe it's part of that. Drew McIntyre headed to the ballot next year.

Steve Gray will be on the ballot as well as Ted Boy Marino, Les Kellett, and Los Infernales, as well as FTR, and Mercedes Monet. Oh my God. Oh, and drop from the ballot because they got less than 10% of all votes from a region, Aska, Kevin Owens, the Uso's, Sid Vicious, Bray Wyatt, Sammy Zane, Kento Miyahara, and Psycho Clown. So they will no longer be on the ballot. And what did poor Sammy Zane do to these people? Because, I mean, you can't even argue that he's not really a Hall of Fame guy because we're holding to a higher standard. So I'm not putting Mark and Jay Briscoe in, I'm not putting Sammy Zane in, but less than 10%, he seems like he'd be the, the, the, the Buccaroos fans kind of guy.

The other thing, too, is, again, we're talking about the middle of these wrestlers' careers. Again, the young bucks right now are dead on arrival. People don't want to see them. I don't even know if they want to see themselves, because they know it's true. But they're in, the bloodline stuff is playing out as we speak, and it's the biggest thing in professional wrestling for a long time now. It's not just Roman.

Again, I'm not a fan of the Uso's in the ring. But the Uso's then got kicked off the ballot too, along with Sammy Zane. Everyone not named Roman got in and the Uso's and Sammy Zay got kicked off the ballot. Think about that. But as this is playing out, that's my point. Evaluating the Uso's right now, I would say no. But who knows where we're going to be in 10 years? You know, if they do more big business with this,

thing and you look back and you realize that Jay Huso and Sammy and Sammy at times, but really Jay and Jimmy were major players and everything with Roman, you know, you may evaluate it a bit differently. I think a lot of these people are evaluating things differently. Bob Caudill got less votes than Tony Chivani. Bob Caudill got 69 votes. Chivani got 126. That's the problem.

People like the idea of Chivani more than actually. his awful commentary. But the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame, 2024 class, congratulations to all the new inductees. Let's give them a big hand. Jeez.

But there's a reason why people like me and well, others aren't voting anymore. But that was the Observer Hall of Fame and this is your show. And it has been my show, but it's not anymore because I'm going to end it so we can come back and do your show. If there's no more questions that you have for me,

then you're free to leave. And thank you, fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.