Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 562: One Of Those Moods

Episode Date: December 15, 2024

This week on the Experience, Jim looks back at his Mid-South schedule in March of 1984! Also, Jim talks about Rey Fenix & AEW, Dave Meltzer's tweet about Tony Khan running WCW, Abdullah The Butcher's lyrics, drones, Leroy, John Boy & Billy, and more! Plus Jim reviews WWE Smackdown!  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The midnight and the rock and roll He's in a fight for wrestling soul Using a racket and some mind control He's Jim CarNet The Keys to the Future Helped by the past and we're tag deep art On it Well he's net

Wrestling and some general Tom Foolery Around the edges And joining me for all that and more Hawaiian Brian the podcasting Lion The King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network Mr. Co-host to you, he's never too moody to do his duty, the great Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again for whatever we're going to talk about here today.

I forgot we forgot to talk about that head of time, yeah. We'll do it as we go along. Look at here, I swear to God. What is doing? You're wrestling of paper? It looks like I'm Paul Heyman writing my television formats. I've got scraps of napkins and paper plates. I've got notes on.

Had we just convened here. A phony prescription pad. Yeah, there's one of those for this general tomfoolery. That ought to be a military gimmick. General Tom Foolery and private fucking penis. I don't know. Let me ask you a question, first of all. And this involves the weather around here.

Now, for days here in Louisville, it was in the 20s and 30s in a daytime and an ill wind blowing. and then it warmed up one day to like 50-something degrees, almost 60 degrees, so then a fucking deluge of rain came overnight. And now for a brief period of time, it's still in the 50s, but it's going to plummet again once it dries out. But now it's wet and it's dark and it's dank,

and it's cold and it's clammy. But here's the deal. I put my thermostat on in the office at 65 degrees, Because as you know, I'm a heat miser, and I hate to admit defeat and just make it goddamn warm up here because it's a big room and I'm not going to be up here long. Only a few hours with you and me together. But I put it on 65, and when the heat is blowing, when it's 30-something degrees outside, and the heat's blowing and it's 65, it starts to get stuffy in here. but yet today the thermostat's on 65

but the heat is not blowing because it's 50 something degrees outside even though sun ain't shining and it's bone chillingly cold in here so how can 65 degrees be at different times both stuffy and bone chillingly cold maybe he got mold

would you care to elaborate on that how is I don't know I was trying to cheer you up. What to cheer me up with black mold? It's going to kill... I say I hit the button. What is going on? God damn, I hit the wrong button.

I'm going to kill me of a goddamn fungal infection. That's going to cheer me up. What's the matter with you? It could have been the happy mold, the good mold. The Bob mold? Yes. I heard he was a happy guy. You like Husker do?

Well, no, I die. Who'sker do or who'sker don't? It doesn't matter to me, but he should have been the book. Booker, that's what I hear, but nevertheless. No, I'm asking you a question. Who did you hear that from? From Uncle Dave and all the fucking, no, that was, that was gutless Gary Jester, wasn't it?

He should have been the Booker, right? Bob Moe. He's a good musician. But anyway, many people are, and many more people aren't. But anyway, where was that going with that? Oh, why wouldn't you explain to me what I'm, what's going on here in my office with the temperature?

How the hell am I supposed to know? Let me start with that. Secondly... You're an educated man, a graduate of a major university. I don't know. Is there maybe a problem with one of the windows that you don't see, that some air is coming in that you don't expect, and it's mixing with those fine classic wrestling memorabilia items?

What do you think I just got a goddamn window cranked open? No, what if it's... And I'm not aware of it? What if it's something from above? So what do you mean, divine intervention? No, I'll talk about it. the roof. What if air is coming in? I would see the goddamn daylight coming through, wouldn't I?

You wear glasses. You wear glasses. You may not see everything. You may not see. What you see may not be what it appears what you see. A lot of people don't think it'd be like it is, but it do. But I'll tell you, all right, let's get to work. That's a great show. That's another thing. I feel like I'm turning into Bill Bailey. As I get older and we do more radio here broadcasting. I'm turning into Bill Bailey subconsciously. I listened to him when I was a kid.

We've talked about it. Remember the morning guy on wacky radio in Louisville and the 60s and 70s, the Duke of Louisville. I remember the name of the Duke of Louisville and you've mentioned wacky a whole bunch of times. And he was often allegedly inebriated and he was an old. He was like, this is a top 40 wacky radio, W.A.K. why, right? You know, kids listen to it. And he's the hottest morning guy in town. He's in his 50s then, or he looked it. And he's sometimes, you know, imbibing and he was always late. And, but he was a great radio. And he had

Reed Yaden was his news guy that was the straight man. And then they, you know, he just did whatever the fuck. Whatever the fuck I do, yes, we're going to do this again today, folks. We have not learned our lesson. We're going to do another show. For the North Carolina radio fans. Well, you've heard of John Boy and Billy. They went national, right? Now, we didn't really listen to John Boy and Billy up here in the Northeast.

Well, I'm not saying that you listened to them or that they were in your particular market. I'm saying you, as a connoisseur of talk radio and morning radio and radio personalities would have heard of the John Boy and Billy show that did get syndicated widely. No, I don't know them. And, you know, I'm of the belief that 95% if not more of all radio is bad. Well, okay. Without knowing about Billy Bob and Roy or whatever the show is, you fucking know. Well, I was about some of that radio eyes on, motherfucker.

Oh, I'm sure it was great. It was, yeah, see, now you change your story. No, and the Google John, boy and Billy. And some of it's interesting anyway. We might learn some things on the air out of that. and also they're responsible for the funniest radio clip in a history of goddamn radio but you've heard the Armageddon clip

Oh one of them's Earl Weaver No which is what's the Earl uh what's the Armageddon clip no Earl Weaver no okay well first of all then John Boy and Billy out of Charlotte were morning radio guys and they syndicated their show in later years to some extent But when I was doing it They were in like a fucking trailer in Connecticut And let me stop you.

You're talking in the past tense. Apparently, they still are. No, well, I was, I was saying this was then, but no, you've heard of their radio show because they continue to fucking do it is what I was thinking you might have heard of them for. That's what I was saying. Am I getting just testy with you now? I mean, it's fine.

I mean, if this is your hill, the John Boy Hill? That's fine with me. But anyway, I used to, they were big wrestling fans and I'd go up there. and do the morning redhead. They were very popular in the Charlotte Market, right? And they had a news guy. It was the same principle as Reed Yaden was here in Louisville. He was a very straight lay. He was even more straight-laced, whereas Reed was younger. Robert D. Rayford was like an older guy with this stentorian voice, and he was at the mercy of the bits that they were, you can imagine, you know, the Southern Stern Show or whatever. They were doing,

bits and then you know but he would come in and the news was sacrosanct and every once in a while they'd jab him and it was humorous but the armageddon clip is the fucking funniest thing in the goddamn history of radio and i have it here because stephen p new sent it to me and i pinned it on the fucking email oh shit which i've now apparently signed out noted comedy experts stephen p new well no i'm tell hold on now let me get the email back and we won't be able to do that the sponsors anyway. So as I'm getting this email back, I will, I will say that, uh, that yes, have you Google John Boy and Billy to find out, find out what they are very popular radio individuals. Is that what I was looking to find out when you said Google them, just that they were

popular? Well, just, we'll Google about them and they're the things they do. Oh man, you know what their website is? I don't know. The big show.com. Well, they, because it's John boy and Billy's big show. Well, that's not the big show I thought it was. They were calling it that in the fucking 80s also, so they had precedence on that one. John Isley, born August 15th, 1956, and Billy James, born August 31st, 1957, on American Radio, there was no N, are American radio hosts based in Charlotte, North Carolina. their comedic morning program, the John Boy and Billy Big Show, broadcasts from 6 a.m. to 10 a.m.,

Eastern time in several southern and Midwestern states via syndication, blah, blah, blah. And boy, it was a pain in the ass to get to fucking Canapolis at 6 o'clock in the morning, too, back in any days. For more than five years, John Boy and Billy hosted the morning show at Top 40 WBCY, 107.9. in Charlotte, their comedic talents made them number one with the station's 18 to 34 listeners. Said the demo! But John Boy quit in February 1986, while Billy stayed for a month and a half, partnering unsuccessfully with Bob Lacey and Jim Catfish Pruitt. Yeah, it didn't work out. And by the way, the radio station they left was the one that I later did fill in on the morning that we've talked.

talked about before in some spots on WBCY that that Lisa Manning was a DJ, she somehow got fired for, they answered a call at the radio station, the morning team did for somebody that was calling another fucking radio station trying to win a car, but it wasn't even their station. They said, yeah, you won the car, go on down and get it,

to the other fucking radio station, right? And management fired them over it, because the people went down there, demanding their fucking car, but go ahead. Oh, yeah, let me stop. I just noticed you sent me an email with Armaged. Yes, that was quick. I've never seen you use a computer or so successfully.

Well, see, I've got it pinned, as the kids say. And I don't, can we, I don't know if we can play that or not. Yeah, that may be a copyright issue, but let me finish reading whatever the hell I'm reading here. Whatever the hell you're reading there. Competing Station WRFX 997 FM. There you go, the Fox. Change to album rock the same year and needed it. morning show.

They signed John Boy and Billy to be the station's wake-up hosts, but they could not start their new show until November due to a non-compete clause. A $250,000 billboard and television campaign in which they had bags over their heads preceded their return. Good idea. On November 8th at 9 a.m. And by the way, think about 40 years ago how much $250,000 in Bill billboards and radio and TV spots would get you in Charlotte.

I know what it's like to drive up and down on 95 and all the billboards you see. Beyond 95, are there billboards everywhere? Oh, good Lord. You got to drive through North and South Carolina. People got a billboard to show you pictures of their kids. There's a goddamn billboards. Go to south of the border on 95. No, south of the border, of course.

No, on, no, it's, oh, God damn it. sidebar, interstate 95 when you're going from... Yeah, I know south of the border. From North Carolina to South Carolina, it's the Mexican place. Well, they pretend to be a Mexican place, yeah. Well, I've seen Mexican people there, but it's a tourist trap slash attraction. It's been there for years and years with the gift shops and the games and the live bears. The most popular bumper sticker on the East Coast, I would say.

You would see that bumper sticker everywhere. There you go. But yeah, there's billboards all over the place. But go ahead. Back to this. I'll finish this out right now in November 8th at 9 a.m. WRFX announced, they're back. And played The Boys Are Back in Town by Thin Lizzie.

One difference on the new station, said John Boy, was, we'll actually listen to the music. We're rock and roll guys. What was the previous station, top 40? Yeah. All right. So John Boy was arrested at a nightclub. October 21st, 1990, and charged with felony possession

of marijuana. That made the news. But the charge was later reduced to a misdemeanor because it's marijuana. No, I'm mad at that. Just give him a break. What the fuck. And then it goes through the rest of those. I think he was outside of Plum Crazy. That was the bar that Flair always was wanting to buy. It was a bar shaped like a giant purple,

painted like a purple, and shaped like a giant plum. Plum crazy. And I think Flair ended up paying for it without actually buying it because I think he spent the equivalent of what the property was worth and money at the establishment. Well, here's the last thing I'll say. After 38 years, the show will no longer be heard

on WRFX as of November 15th, 2024, but it will continue to be syndicated by IHeart's premier networks. Holy mackerel. off the air on the fox. I wonder what in the world has precipitated that movement. You know what the biggest problem? It's a problem with radio.

The problem is radio stations do a bad job, so it's all on the host. The problem is getting the advertising dollars in there now where no young people are listening to radio. It's kind of you have to, it has to be baked in. It has to be something you experience when you were younger that you still do, but kids today don't listen to the radio. It's a changing. They should just put all this podcast on the radio.

That'd be the smartest thing. Well, there you. And then they could tie them all together and have something called cable television or whatever. But hold on Armageddon now. Click on this. Can we, is this, I don't know what this is on. This is something from YouTube? Is it their official thing?

Is this something that was bandied about by other people? Is this copyrighted? This is the, I would love for you to hear the funniest bit in history of radio. Well, yeah, I have whatever you sent me here. I don't know if we'll be able to play it on YouTube. So this may be a YouTube edit. but let's go to whatever this is. Here's the facts from Cooter in Orlando

who sends me a copy of a story that appeared in the Los Angeles Times, he says, a prestigious newspaper, not the off-maligned weekly world news. Quoting the story, in retrospect, lighting the match was my big mistake, but I was only trying to retrieve the gerbil.

Eric Kamajuski told the muse doctors in the severe burns unit of Salt Lake City Hospital. Tomashefsky and his homosexual partner, Andrew Kinky Farnham, had been admitted for emergency treatment after a felching session had gone seriously wrong. I pushed a cardboard tube up his rectum and slipped ragged out gerbil in, he explained.

As usual, Kiki shouted out, Armageddon! My cue, that he'd had enough. I tried to retrieve ragged, but he wouldn't come out again, so I peered into the tube and struck a match, thinking the light might attract him. At a hushed press conference, a hospital spokesman, described what happened next.

The match ignited a pocket of intestinal gas and flame shot out the tube, igniting Mr. Tomashefsky's hair and severely burning his face. It also set fire to the gerbil's fur and whiskers, which in turn ignited a larger pocket of gas, further up the intestine propelling the rodent out like cannonball. Tom again! Thomas Schumachisky suffered second-degree burns and a broken nose from the impact of the gerbil. while Furnum suffered first and second degree burns to his anus and lower intestinal tract I'm again

peered into the tube and struck a match taking the light might make the gerbil come out so that's what felching is all about I'm again Who says that I didn't Robert Lee raven on the John Bourne-Billy show All right so to Darrell Van Horn get felching from that, or did he write that letter? It, well,

or a story. As I was explaining, but I'm sorry, it makes me cry every time I hear it. This fucking guy on the radio, Robert D. Rayford sounded like Edward R. Murrow from London, right? Nothing could, he reported the news, and he was on John Boy and Billy, who were the goddamn, you know, like the Southern Stern or how, whether they were the morning fucking, lunatics and the dichotomy if you will or the paradox was

amusing enough but they slipped that in to see if they could get he didn't know it was a rib he didn't know that was part of his newscast and then he's starting to read the fucking thing and they're starting to laugh and he was trying to do what he always did and he couldn't

uh anyway radio it's a wonderful thing right that's right you can hear it on your favorite streaming service yes okay so i gotta make some thank yous because it's getting to be the holiday season and members of the cult send me bribes would think well no quit now don't turn this into a some type of political aspiration amongst the people wanting to get in the cult even bigger and be like nick Barrett, you know, a sergeant-at-arms. They're being generous.

They send me what some people might consider odd-ball things. But, you know, but there's something that they know that myself or Stacy or Harley Quinn, one of us here at Castle Cornett, would appreciate. And Charlie from Starkville, who you made famous,

your good friend also, I'll have you know he remembered me with seasons one through 20 of South Park on DVD. I mean, that's literally years, an extra

of my life, I'll have to live to what. But it, no, and then since Stacey, figures of the Frankenstein and the Bride of, well, the Frankenstein monster and the Bride of Frankenstein. Which figures? Well, I goddamn didn't examine

them and copied down the, they're very nice looking. What size were they? Oh, the only thing I'd have to measure a see is my, well, no, I won't measure it against that, they look taller than that. I don't know, about eight inches, nine inches, whatever. It's a nine inch figure of Frankenstein? Well, from my eyeball.

It's a whole new scale of figures. When she held them up and said, oh, look how nice these are. And I said, well, they are pleasing to the eye and will look wonderful in the TV room. I didn't goddamn... I thought maybe you would know what toy company made them. That's all. The special nine-inch Frankensteins.

And bride of Frankenstein. Maybe the box is 90. Maybe the fucking bride is eight inches. And Frankenstein was eight inches, the bride would have been happy. The bride of Frankenstein. How long did that marriage last? Here's your husband. She seemed to be quite a hisser off the bat, though.

You think you would have no sudden rapid neck movements. Would you want to see her twitching around with that bouffant? Speaking of Bufant's boo from Al-Tuna See I wasn't even a written segue Because as you can tell folks We got notes but we got no fucking material here Send me an Adam West Batman figure And I don't know how tall he is

Is it from McFarlane who made the toy? Actually I did notice that I did notice that So it's a McFarlane West if you care to know. And I want to thank Mike from Grizzly Pulp Press who said a chewy gift card for Harley. And that was awful nice of you.

What's the name of the book company? Grizzly Pulp Press out in California. They actually, no, they're not a book company. They actually... What's a grizzly pulp? Well, they take dead grizzly bears and turn them into pulp by way of a pressing mechanism and then they fucking sell the grizzly bear pulp

to various health food organizations. For what? For fucking health. There's a big market in it. Are you tired of your usual grizzly pulp? Yeah, get our whole natural grizzly pulp. We press it ourselves. See that?

So you never know what people are going to find to make an occupation, but thank you. Look up grizzly pulp, in California, everybody. I'm sure they'll enjoy hearing from you. And also, Zach from Pocatello. Is a Lego maniac, yes. No, it's Pocatello, Idaho, and his name is Zach,

and he's, I'm going to tell you what he sent me in a second, but he, in big letters on the letter that he included, he's, what is Jim's beef with Pocatello? because I've mentioned it a number of times on here on this program and your show The Drive-Thru and I just that Pocatello has a wonderfully

Nowheresville name to it, doesn't it? It's like, you know, will it play in Peoria? You know, will they pick it in Pocatello? It's a good last name for your science teacher. Joe Pocatello? Mr. Pocatello. Mr. Pocatello. See down, but that's a

in your experience up there, down, down where I come from, they'd be, Mr. Pocatella? Oh, Mr. Pocatella. But anyway, guess what he sent me? Porn. I'm issuing this. Oh, quit now. Would you stop it?

I'm pulling it out of a sleeve as I get it right now. Spaghetti. Out of a sleeve? You can call it whatever you want. You can call it whatever you want. I don't know what it would be in. Well, you would get spaghetti out of a, if it was raw out of a box. If it was from the store, unless Mr. Pocatello is making it himself.

Well, I don't. How do you know Pocatello's an Italian name? I don't. I just guess spaghetti, and then you started quizzing me about the logistics of this spaghetti delivery. Well, I'll tell you what he sent me. He sent me a genuine 45 RPM record. Look it up, kids, on the Google, if you're not sure what that is. but the adults out there will understand.

A 45 RPM record from Japan of Abdullah the Butchers music. Oh my God. Is that the way where he actually sings the lyrics where he yells the words or whatever I want to say? Well, yeah, hold on, hold on, Cowboy. Because it's not only, it's got, it's in a regular like 45 sleeve

and it's got a caricature of Abby and everything, and the entire label is in Japanese, and it's even got one of the little inserts. You know, the 45 insert that you used to be able stick in there to, you know what I'm saying to you, the little thing in the middle of the big hole. That's what she said. But it also has a picture sleeve that wraps around

and there's a wrestling picture of Abby on the front in the ring for New Japan and on the back is caricatures of him and more writing in Japanese. but when you open it up, the inside of this wraparound, most everything, again, is in Japanese,

the writing, except it is the lyrics that he sang to his song, Brian. Do you have this in your archive? I may have the record because I seem to remember having a 45 with Abdulah the butcher, but I don't think I have the lyrics.

Well, it's a color on the outside, on front and back and on the inside is black and white with his lyrics and then the rest of it, page and a half is in Japanese, but never, would you like to hear the lyrics?

Oh, please, yeah. I can't do his voice, so I'm not going to try, but, and remember, this is apparently translated into the American by the,

because this was sold in Japan, this was for the Japanese market. So, when we sometimes take to task the translation when somebody in Japan says something and then you read the this is the translation and it sounds like they're lunatics, that may apply the opposite way, right?

It could go either way. Abby still could be a lunatic, but... That's right, and Koto Abushi's not a woman working on the show, as we learned. Yes. But anyway, here there are the words to the Abdullah the Butcher single. My name is Abdullah the Butcher. Ha! I'm the champ, I'm the king of the ring.

Ha! And then there's in parentheses, this may be a chorus, I feel good condition now, you feel good condition. Back to Abby. You know you don't do when I kick you like the butcher backed time again.

Yeah. I want to kick you. I want to stop you. I want to slam you. I want to throw you over the top robe. I want to do all these crazy things to you. My own family hates me because I'm too vicious. Ah, get out.

And in parentheses, I feel good condition now. What the hell? Back to Abby. My mother and father told me, son, get out on the ring. You're too crazy. I look like my father a lot when I say, I'm the king. Ma, I'm the king. I'm the king of this first record. Ha! I'm going to beat. I'm going to stump you on the ground. I'm going to let the world know

who the butcher is. I'm the king. I'm going to fight you. I'm going to strangler you. I'm going to kick you. I'm going to do everything I can do to you. I'm coming to get you. Nobody can stop me all of the world. Ha! Can you imagine Baba was shaking? in his boots when he heard this song. Oh my God, he must be talking to me. Yeah, so I'm actually, I have not had a chance to put this on the turntable. As of yet, it just arrived,

but I've got it laid out here on my desk, as you know the feeling, Brian, to examine this further. But thank you, Zach and Pocatello. And I don't have anything against your town, but your fucking state sucks. It's interesting that nowadays you have so many wrestlers

who want to be musicians or hang around musicians. and they really want to be musicians. And back then in Japan, these guys were all such big stars that it seemed like anyone who said yes could get a record. Terry Funk had a record singing,

We Hate School. Yeah, written by Jimmy Hart, who did a, I've got his rousing rendition on 45, but I mean. That music video from Memphis TV with Coco on guitar. Oh, yeah.

That's the best thing ever. Shot in, you know, with a budget of, $20 for the blank tape. But they played that on the radio in Memphis, by the way. And it was requested. It was, what was the name? Was it FM 100, I think, or by one of the station? Because at one point, Jimmy Valiant would go wrestle on Memphis TV

with FM 100 means music on the ass of his tights. Because they were playing his fucking record constantly. Anyway, speaking of merchant. dice of various kinds. If you want some from Cornett's collectibles, we would love to serve you if you expect to get it by Christmas. Ha!

Ha! I scoff in your general direction. I explained on the last program, I'm not trying to sour anyone on the process of buying from the website Jimcornet.com, although after this weekend of catching up again, I'm so

so tired. tired of citing my name. But nevertheless, if you've ordered after December the 11th, then by the time that I, on the 11th, I process them on the 12th and hand them to the feather bottoms on the 13th so that they can put labels on them on the 14th and 15th to mail them on the 16th, which is the day before the recommended daily mailing day. You see where this is going.

We will still take your order, but think of it as a wonderful way to start the new year at this point. Is that a cheerful way of saying you're going to have to wait a couple weeks probably by now? That's a very nice way of saying it. Well, I try to be cheerful. Jimcornet.com, and we thank you for your support over the past, well, many years, but specifically this last year. Hey, Jim, we have some breaking news that ties to you, so it's a little interesting. Well, well, what did I do now? Well, you didn't do anything. They have arrested, have they arrested him or is he just in custody? he's arrested A strong person of interest

for the CEO shooting in New York of one of the healthcare CEOs His name Luigi Mangone He was arrested If that is how you pronounce his last name He was arrested Altoona Pennsylvania

Oh Boy I tell you know A lot of big things happened in Altoona And I saw that footage Jen Jen, did you, nobody that I have seen talking about this matter has talked about the motherfucker in the, in the frame, in the video. Did you see the guy on the right or whoever it was? The guy who starts running when it happens?

Yes, he's just standing there almost daylight in New York City, minding his own business, so probably pissing in a corner on the side of the street. And this guy walks by him and his other guy walks up and shoots a fucking guy. He's like, oh shit, he just takes off. why didn't they somebody should have had him on talking about this well we will stay up to date with this this is the boy that guy got a lot of sympathy didn't he well you know what there's a that's the thing there's a lot of people rooting for him

because they hate the healthcare industry so irrespective of whoever the CEO was or whatever kind of person he was he is the CEO of a health care company so a lot of people just think they deserve to die it's really crazy apparently united health care in general great support amongst its customers that people, when the fucking head of the thing gets gunned down on the street by an unknown assailant,

people are, well, one guy said, just because I wouldn't wish death on anyone, doesn't mean that I can't read some obituaries with pleasure, which I think is a great way to fucking put it. Yeah, they got this guy today. This guy shot the other guy point blank on the street and then went for a bike ride through Central Park. Yes, he rode a bee escaped on it.

a fucking bicycle through Central Play. If they did that in a Bruce Willis movie, nobody would believe it. Oh, yeah, now they think, we're going to believe Bruce Willis could get away from a fucking cop on a fucking bike, and it. But that's, and by the way, for the people around the world, that's our

health care system is, you know, once again, something that the people of the country just love. Yeah, you guys have free health care. We have health care officials freely shot on the street. Right. While people root for the killer. And he wrote words, delay, deny, and defend or depose one of the other, on the shell casings.

And apparently he had a two-page, again, this is happening, so I'm not hearing everything, I'm just reading things. A two-page manifesto railing against the healthcare industry. So they may have found their man, I think. But there it is, the biggest thing to hit Al-Tuna since Jim Cornett in 1990. Well, and also, wait a minute, speaking of places that nobody wants to go to like Altoona, oh, I got a letter of, I won't reveal this person's name because I'm trying to figure out because I haven't edited it for not getting heat on this person. But remember the whole FEE statement of, well, A.W's jumping in front of us in our building

and blah, blah, blah, he was offended by that type of thing. set off a firestorm, right? And GCW was supposed to be kind of viewed as the baby face to some people. You remember this story. I mean, I remember this story. It just happened like a week ago or whatever it was. Yes.

Well, I don't know. Your short-term memory may be shot with all the fucking substances you abused. You've still. I know you've been taking them marijuana pills again. What have you heard? Well, Nick told me. But apparently, there was a while back,

Ricky and Robert, the Rock and Roll Express were doing the Rocker Roll Express Farewell Tour because Ricky, I think, still wrestles on occasion. I think Robert decided to retire, I believe. Never, don't put a lie detector on me for that, but I believe that's why they were doing the farewell tour the last time they would team up together. At least that's what it was. So apparently, GCW booked a show at the Evansville-C-Vee. Coliseum in Evansville, Indiana

and booked Ricky and Robert on it, because that's a Memphis market, right? Rock and Roll Express would be over in that building. And I guess they streamed the pay-per-view on fight or whatever it was at that point in time, this is a while back.

And there's apparently a local promotion that had been running the building regularly. And they weren't not only consulted. Nobody from that company was booked. And basically, the story

that came out later on is that the person who booked the date with the building for GCW didn't tell them that it was wrestling. Just booked the building for a date for something. I don't know how they did that. How do you do that? Well, but it's the Evansville Coliseum.

Brian, I mean, there'd be more expensive fucking, you know, banquet halls at a Holiday Inn Express. It's the Evansville Coliseum. They're not turning down to fucking stones. But they signed a contract and put the deposit down.

So basically, they came in on top of another local company on a, again, smaller basis. This time they were the AEW and they came in on these little piss ants that run to Evansville Coliseum all the time. But the, the

The pot and the kettle is what I'm saying. You've got to be careful when you live in glass houses. You don't throw stones at the Evansville Coliseum. You live in glass houses, don't throw stones at tin sheds. Well, actually, a tin shed might be more up to date. It would have to be up to some kind of building code. The Evansville Coliseum, bless it. I think they said they weren't going to restore the pipe organ

because it would cost like a couple million bucks or whatever. Anyway, I got one more thing for you here. And then we'll talk about something else after this thing. I got a letter from Jody Arias, as you like to call her. She's not a murderess. Jone Aries out into Pacific Northwest, right next to the Pacific Ocean. and this

I've actually I've had this for a while and it's my fault that I had it on my desk but I wanted to bring it up since AEW's doing domes and stadiums and things has been in the news lately

there is some kind of remember when they were in the Tacoma dome they're in Tacoma Washington Brian yes I do and we said what kind of you think Superdome or Astrodome

is they got delusions of grandeur of this building that I think I even had you look up the seat at 8,000 or whatever it was. I said, that's a dome? Kind of, you know, glorifying the thing, right? Well, come to find out that it was until 1991, but when it was built and for some time afterwards, it was the largest wooden dome in the world.

This thing is built. The dome is wooden. It was, I guess they opened it in April 1983, David Bowie, the Serious Moonlight Tour. But this thing, there's a picture of it here, which is insane, but the structure is made up of 1982 glulam beams and purlins held together by 18,798 bolts, the roof is made of 28,512,

two-by-eight boards. This thing is like the goddamn a wooden structure that covers six acres. And it took 323,150 nails to hold down all those boards and each one of them was hammered in by hand by a crew of only 20 men and women. So this fucking place, on six acres, they had 20 men and women,

take 28,000 fucking boards and a couple thousand beams, 20,000 bolts, and 300,000 nails, and said, build this roof so it won't fall in for the next 40 years. Are you sitting in that motherfucker? No. And in April, 1982, the citizens of Tacoma were given an opportunity to write their names on the last 5,000 pound section of beams before it was being installed. The names are still visible. So they haven't painted this fucking thing in 40 years. What kind of goddamn dog and pony show?

Wouldn't you, it's all wood and out in the Pacific Northwest weather. I mean, I know it's got a roof on it. But with this wooden structure over six acres for 40 fucking years, with all kinds of humidity going on, I don't know. I think I'll stick with the fucking concrete and... What are the other kinds of hard materials they build with? steel, things like that.

Are you still there? You're putting me to sleep. No, I agree. What the fuck? I thought that was some nice, interesting factoids about this goddamn odd building in Tacoma, Washington that people should avoid for their health and safety, I think. If you remember when they ran it, they kept saying, like,

we're in the shadow of Seattle. Seattle, Seattle, Seattle. They kept trying to say Seattle instead of Tacoma. They were shamed of Tacoma. They were shamed of Tacoma. This conversation's putting me in Tacoma. All right, well, I'm going to turn this over to you here in one second, but I just want to remind you that if you think the odds are

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things that you need to bring me up to date on that either following the things that we've talked about are some new things that people have done and basically what we'll call it breaking with brian we've got breaking news here fill me in i've been in the cornets collectible action figure mines all weekend. But I understand that, do they still have drones in New Jersey? Oh, yeah. You haven't seen anything about this yet on the news or anything?

No, well, I haven't even watched a lot of news. I haven't watched a lot of anything. Some me TV when I fell asleep. But I would think, once again, this would be on the emergency broadcast system or something. Now they're saying things like, the governor has met with local officials and there is no public safety issue

but they don't know what it is who's sending it out or anything. So, how can you just say there's no public safety issue? You have no idea what the fuck it is or if it's the Russians or whoever. You know what I mean? Like, no one knows anything. Could be Amazon.

But here's the thing. Again, to bring it up to date, folks, if you didn't hear the previous program, there apparently, what was the car size that they were being compared to? Was it some kind of Toyota? An SUV. an SUV now

so well now was it full size like a Ford Expedition or the little soccer mom kind of thing no one's sure again this is the thing they come at night I feel safe right now I can go outside and I can do whatever I want at night

all of a sudden they're around and someone from down the street posted a photo and then a video and then there it was over here flying by and but there are these vehicle-sized drones over New Jersey

Jersey, and as many as, what, 50 of them have been seen in the same place or in the same area. And so it's not just one zipping back and forth. And the government, the official statements from the authorities that would have jurisdiction over this matter, Brad, is still, we don't really know what it is, but it's not a danger to the public. That is what they're telling people. And if it's the government, we have a right to know. Is this some kind of big brother thing, monitor?

where everyone is. Again, Donald Trump's golf course is right over year. So you would think if it was a nefarious thing, it would become a priority pretty quickly. Well, but there's also a military base there, as you said, that's, you know,

could they be, you know, testing out flying kites? I mean, what but here's the thing, they've got to, they've either got to know what it is or they've got to know that there's no danger to the public, they need to know what it is.

But you can't tell me when they were asking the public, like, well, if you have any information, this falls under somebody's jurisdiction. The FAA, the goddamn Homeland Security, fucking Air Force, whatever,

we have the best funded and best equipped military forces in the fucking world. They have state of the art everything, sensors and fucking heat-seeking things and blah blah blah space age bullshit they don't have a plane that can just fly up there

and throw a net over one of these motherfuckers or suck it into the cargo hold I'm not asking for a fucking tractor beam but they can't throw a... I've seen the plane refill the other plane in the midair how can they not just throw a goddamn last over this some bitch, drag it out over the Atlantic. And just check it out.

Just rope it down whatever the fuck. I know this is dumbing down the process, but how is it not possible for the United States government if they wanted to not to just go up there and get one of these fucking things? Unless they were afraid to. Here's an article that was just published by the AP 25 minutes ago.

Princeton, New Jersey, numerous drone sightings in New Jersey, frustrating, but don't pose safety concern, governor says. Dozens of drones have been spotted across New Jersey in recent weeks, including near sensitive sites, such as a military research facility, which can be frustrating, but don't appear to pose a public safety concern, Governor Phil Murphy stressed Monday. The FBI has been investigating reports about several mysterious nighttime drone flights that started occurring last month across Central Jersey and has asked the public for help.

Since then, residents have reported seeing drones. Isn't that like your heart surgeon saying, hey, see if somebody in a commissary can fucking come up here and help me out? Ask the government asked the public for help? Since then, residents have reported seeing drones in other areas. While speaking at an unrelated bill signing event in Princeton, Murphy noted there were 49 reports of drones on Sunday, mostly in Hunterdon County. The Democratic governor said those numbers included possible sightings and potentially the same drone being reported more than once.

Here's a quote, this is something we're taking deadly seriously. I don't blame people for being frustrated. What about worried? You're taking it deadly seriously, but don't be frustrated, but we're taking it as serious as we can. It's unclear who is piloting the drone. and why, but federal and state officials have repeatedly stressed there is no known threat to public safety. Known.

Drones are legal in New Jersey for recreational and commercial use. What the size of a goddamn Chevy suburban? But they are subject to local and federal aviation administration regulations and flight restrictions. Dron operations also must be FAA certified, most, but not only only only. All of the drones spotted in New Jersey were larger than those typically used by hobbyists. The most hobbyists don't have a fucking drone the size of an SUV. The flights initially raised concerns, in part because they took place near the Picatinny Arsenal, a U.S. military research and manufacturing facility,

and over-president-elect Donald Trump's golf course in Bedminster. Most of the drones have been spotted along coastal areas, and some of the devices were recently, spotted over a large reservoir in Clinton. The FBI asked that residents share any videos or photos they may have. Oh, for Christ. You see, how does that make you feel? It makes me feel like they don't know what the fuck's going on. They can't explain it.

They're asking me for help. What? Please, can you just describe what these fucking things look like? Oh. And now the other thing is, every time I'm out there, I'm fucking paranoid. Because it's dark. When these things come at night? and everything over your head.

Like, is that a plane? Or is it a drone? I can't tell exactly how high it is. Are those the same flashing lights that would be on a plane? Or is it a drone? Plain drone. No, so I got a flight tracker app now. So I got a...

Oh, good Lord. I think you're taking this a little. No, I need to know what are planes going over my house? And what is a fucking potentially lethal drone? What, but... You know... Although the... There's nothing for the public to be afraid of.

What if one of them lands and Michael Rennie steps out? And this is the start of the, okay, you guys are just way out of hand, and we're giving you one last chance moment. I saw someone post a video yesterday of something yesterday in Morristown, New Jersey, which is right over here. And it goes, there are, there are the drones. There they are. There they are. There's one, two, three.

And then he goes, whoa, and there goes an F-16. So, I mean, I mean, They're monitoring something. Something's going on in New Jersey, and it's not the smell on the turnpike, ladies and gentlemen. There's something else happening here in the Garden State. All right. Well, we'll keep the eye on the- How are you supposed to be calm?

If every night these things come out, the government's tell you, don't worry. There's no known problems. Also, we have no idea who's doing it. And if you know anything, please call us, please. And send us video. Yeah, if you have any video, send it. Please. Yeah.

You know how hard it is The film things flying in the sky at night? It's not an easy video to get But never during the day, huh? I have not seen a single clear photo or video And I tried to take a video the other day And it couldn't come out clear Something's happening, man

Well, that's what I was going to say If you can, you know, be the reporter on the front there Because obviously they're just like Orson Wells predicted They're landing in New Jersey first before they go to the U.N. And speaking of people, the United Nations, people uniting in a cause, the Justice for Leroy sign got confiscated at Smackdown.

I don't know anything about this, no. He tweeted me a picture, and God damn it, and I lost, I didn't lose the tweet, I lost track of the tweet on the screen of the thing, and I couldn't write, but you know who you are, nobody else does. need to keep it that way. But a guy took a justice for Leroy said, took a picture of it, and then reported back that it was it was not allowed. I don't know if confiscated

is the right word. Apparently, I don't know what they thought it might have been. They might have thought it might have been justice for the real name of one of their favorite wrestlers that's been fucked around. They listen to the show. They know exactly what it is. Well, no, I mean, the guard at fucking, you know, the arena and in Pocatello. I don't know if they would be that minute to where, you know, somebody would immediately have sent out a bullet

and don't let Justice for Leroy signs up. You never know. If it's the week that Jim Cornyn on his podcast says, I expect to see these signs, that was probably the week you'd put it on the list. Look out for, you know, look out for anything. It says Kylie Ray or NDA or... Or Leroy.

Or Leroy. Well, you may be right there, I guess, because what would you have otherwise have said, no, you can't say justice for Leroy because now that I think about it, I don't think any of the wrestlers' real names are Leroy. So it wouldn't have applied really to anything unless they were looking for it, would it?

No. Well, anyway, do we know any more about Leroy? Leroy was popular on the Twitter with the news articles and people retweeted clips on television and things and say he's become quite a topic of conversation. And once these articles started

being found by people, and I couldn't believe how many people found things quickly and then some people found the wrong Leroy. Like, hey, look, I found Leroy. It's like, that's some other guy. I don't know who to fuck that. Did we slander of an innocent Leroy? No, it was some, it was just some,

generic Leroy, not the Leroy include. Just regular Leroy. Regular Leroy. So it was February 1990, and that brought back another few memories of this trip. February 1990, February break from school, apparently, someone knew that Leroy did it.

and he passed away. Well, and I guess we should bring again the, for these slackers who have not been keeping up with the programming, Leroy was a gentleman that Brian knew as a young man in New York that gave him a very beloved floppy hat. It was a noted floppy hat wearer. He was the freight elevator operator in my family's office building,

in the building where everything was, and he was the nicest, coolest guy, whenever you're riding a freight elevator, and that's what you do when you're cool, when you're cool and you're a kid. Whenever you're on the freight, Elray, Leroy, Leroy was the coolest guy. Yeah.

Come to find out years and years earlier, he had murdered somebody. So now you can pick it up from there with the news story. So, yeah, in 1946, because the way I, for those who missed the story, my father said, good night to Leroy, flew down to Florida to join us on vacation.

The front page of the paper in Florida the next day was Leroy being arrested. He shot a cop, the first ever African-American police officer in Miami. Leroy shot him, saying apparently he was trying to scare him and shoot over him, but it happened. He ran. People in the community knew it was Leroy.

He had a glass eye, I believe. So when people said he had a wandering eye, I mean, everyone knew who it was. And he came up to New York, moved in with his father, never changed his name, never, got married, was, I mean, just did everything like, you could do that in those days before the computer. Just move. You could move on lawsuits. You could move on anything. So one of the people who knew who he was and saw it happen passed away. And when he did, his widow said, I no longer have the obligation to keep this secret. Oh, this, this, no good bitch, what? And she called it into a tip line and said that it was Leroy.

And cops from Miami, who didn't have jurisdiction to arrest them. See, I didn't know this part until I read the article. Came up to New York in January of 90. talk to him about it and he did not hide who he was. Like he completely admitted who he was. And then when they arrested him, I think he had some cash and some blank checks in his pocket. He was going to go. But in February, they arrested him.

And then there was a one-year battle over extradition of Florida. And his attorney was William Cuncelor. I never knew any of this. And eventually they let him go with time served for the one year because it happened so many years earlier and even the officer's family. What was the year? Was it 1940 something? 46 and this is 1990. It's a different world at that point. It's not even just, you know, the years, it's a different world. And the officer's family forgave him. And they realized this is a guy who, again, he was a sweet guy. He could say it about anybody, but was a church going guy,

was a family guy, a hardworking guy. And I don't know anything past that point, but it's incredible. And the other thing I remember about this trip, and again, it was always a February. It was February 87, I think, when Andy Warhol died. And that was a crazy thing. Oh, well, everybody. Everybody remembers that. Again, that was a crazy thing for that vacation for me. But this trip in 1990 on the way back, we hit really bad weather. And my father had come back a day early to get things going. He had to go home. He was waiting at the airport. We never arrived. We had to land on Michigan. And then we had to fly back again. We landed in Newark. Got into the smelliest cab of all time.

For the rest of my life, every cab I got into, I expected the smell. And the cab would take me, my mom, my sister, and three other women, all stuffed into this smelly fucking cab. Oh, my God. Well, now, wait a minute, do you know it was the cab, or were they just these strange women?

Oh, I promise you it was the cat. This was the worst cab of all time. And he'd take us to JFK, where my dad finally met us, took us home. That was the night of Savage v. Hogan, the main event. It was supposed to be, Mike Tyson is the referee. Instead, it was Buster Douglas. Yeah.

So that was the, those are the bookends of my trip. Leroy getting arrested and Buster Douglas and Hulk Hogan celebrating the defeat of Randy Savage. I just watched a 3430, was it 3430 or 30 by 30, 3430? 30. 30 or something like, oh, well, you never know on Buster Douglas. Oh. And that whole, but his life and et cetera, he's still around. He said, boxing, very, very good to him.

Now, anyway, well, it's nice to know that Leroy now is getting a vindication for, you know, laboring in anonymity all those years. You know, personally, it's just crazy when we talked about this and someone found a bunch of the articles and there was a picture of them. It's like, holy shit, I haven't seen a picture of him since then, since I was 10 years old. So it was really wild to see this. Well, now I... More of the adventures of the...

the great Brian last in the future. Well, thanks for the warning. You're not exactly Tom Sawyer. Hey. Maybe. I'm more of a Huck Finn. You're right.

Maybe a Huck fan. Anyway, Mark Twain. Let's move over to, well, let's move over to the fucking AEW side of the fence so we could find that leaping frog

from Calabasasas County. I don't know where to start. I was directed by everybody in the world on Twitter and smoke signals, everything to look at something from

AEW collision this past week. Oh, did you see... Oh, I think I know what you're talking about. Okay. Yeah. Well, I'm just going to say there's a couple of things that have been making the news over there, but I've got to start with this. You've seen the clip, right? Of FTR is doing an interview and then things

things transpire. You've seen this also. This was just a it was on the Saturday Night Collision Show just a backstage interview with FTR that was going on, right? And also when you first start listening to it

it sounded like the microphone audio was not feeding to the air and they had cranked up the arena audio, so you're hearing it over the PA system. Did you get that effect?

Or was it just? No, it's the same thing I heard. And I mean, AEW has sound problems all the time. Well, but they're doing their promo and, you know, the fight for the Fallons in Asheville coming up in January and those guys live in Asheville. It is a very

heartfelt interview. And suddenly, if you could hear it, and suddenly you hear clang, lang, lang, lang, and some just random guy security or production guy runs past the camera and the camera pans

and the guy's running and there Marina Schaefer stops him, boom, hit him and hip tosses him over an equipment case and the camera zooms in to where you see over by the back door

Moxley, the plumber and his crew minus Claudio Claudio's not even there he wasn't even that they're holding our little dog pockets the company mascot orange cassidy they're holding him down on his knees

with his arms outstretched and marina shafer runs around behind him and holds his mouth open by fish hooking him with both hands from behind and now you saw the way this was shot the camera runs up on this seat

right but they don't just stop running up on the scene when they get to the scene they got in the scene the camera no am i lying the camera was in this group of the guys beating this guy up as close as the guys were beating him up it was a it was like in all good aggravated assaults the cameraman is going to get into the middle of it it where he could it was ridiculous and then moxley there's he pans over to moxley and he's taken the top off of a spray bottle. I mean, it was blue liquid, so you got the Windex vibe out of it, but it could have also, you know, been, I don't know,

and therneries or whatever. Listering, you know, is it the cool, fresh burst or the cool mint that's blue? But they've established previously, I can't even believe I'm saying this, that this is the, they said it was the substance that, they used to clean the mat off. I don't know if they ever clean his fucking mat. But it's supposed to be a disinfectant, some kind of, for lack of a better term,

a bleach. And he's taking the top of it off. And he's taking his time because, you know, he's the badass guy that's got to milk this. And there's not even really any informative trash talking or verbiage going on

just kind of, oh, yeah, I'm going to do this. And then, Who was it? Was it Wheeler useless that had the funnel? It wasn't bad enough. There's the girl. She's got her fucking... She's got him fish hooked from either side, which is a goddamn, obviously, a legitimate,

no-holes-barred grappling type of mood. A fish-hook a motherfucker. But they got a funnel, a big plastic funnel. It stuck it in his goddamn mouth. That I'll... Yeah. Drink this poison. I think I saw this same scene on Saved by the Bell, but it was screeched down on his knees with the funnel and the other...

And suddenly in the middle of this, FTR is there. And by the way, they were only 25, 30 feet away. They could have been there about 30 seconds ago if they were that fucking motivated, right? Maybe they had to stand there and contemplate for a minute. Should we let them pour this bleach down that skinny little motherfucker? That way we get rid of him once and for all. The fans didn't kill.

kill him. Maybe they will. But FTR comes in and slaps the bottle away from them and Cash is holding a five foot fucking metal bar that is used to hold the pipe and drape up or whatever.

He's got a goddamn weapon and the heels stood their ground. Moxley and Pack and Wheeler and Marina was in front and instead of

backing up somehow, the heel stood their ground, and Moxley was laughing and kind of had his arm across Schaefer like holding her back from Cash Wheeler with a lead pipe. Claudio wasn't there, so Cash could have taken all of them barehanded to begin with, much less with a weapon. And nobody did anything. And then Moxley smirked at him and started nodding. and in a kind of a lackadaisical fashion walked away pretty much totally unintimitated

and instead of don't hit him again. What the fuck was this? How many times is he going to attempt to murder people before Moxley goes in front of the disciplinary committee? Punk was so much more of a man than a goddamn simple little front face lock on a little weasel was worthy of the

disciplinary committee, but pouring bleach down another weasel's neck is okay? All right, listen, you already tried to suffocate Danielson twice with a plastic bag, and you one time tried to pour this drino down someone's throat. But this, this is the final warning. Don't do this again.

Do not bleach the fucking help. The funnel. Why do you have a funnel? The funnel. Here, so we don't spill What? What? Careful of the carpet. Careful of the carpet. I'm not going to have you guys back if you've stained my carpet.

Yeah, I mean, this is a AEW collision. So it's basically what you see on dynamite plus FTR. Who are now going to be drawn into the fucking Moxley vortex. And I'm sure they've wanted to tag up with Orange Cassidy for a long time. They'll finally do that. And it's so bad what all of this is right now. that's a good slogan same old shit now with FTR and also at the same time now there's some unrest I understand from from some more of the talent that are he's not coming out and openly naming names

and pointing fingers in an exact direction like some people have but is Ray Phoenix he's unhappy with his uncle Tony. Yeah, we mentioned this, I think, briefly in one of the clips last week. What did he, he tweeted out something. Do you remember what he tweeted out? Because I don't have the first tweet in front of me, but he was something that he tweeted out.

Well, there was, I don't remember if this was the first one, but people are talking about these. Well, the inhumane treatment tweet. Right, that wasn't the first one. Ray Phoenix tweeted out something last week. Let me see if I could find anything. Ray Phoenix tweet, of course, everything's now about the latest batch of tweets.

The new tweet rather than the old tweet. But here we go. If we go to Rayfeet... Now, he's the fellow that they're going to extend his contract because he was hurt. He got choke slammed off the apron of the ring through a table or off a table or maybe past a table. I can't remember because of what happened and broke his arm, right?

Didn't he the one that did that? That is indeed him. That was several years ago and it happened on live TV, yeah. Yeah, so they paid him while he was out, yes, but... I, you know, normally I say, well, if you pay a motherfucker to sit at home on his ass, you know, for months and months, and then he comes back, well, maybe there's a, but, boy, at the same point when you had him do something stupid on your television and he broke his fucking arm in half, because that was pretty gruesome, I might have sympathy here.

Well, Ray Phoenix tweeted out on December 7th, no one stays in a place where they received inhumane treatment. So again, he's not been on TV for a long time. We had heard that there was a rumor that Ray Phoenix and his brother, the Lucha brothers are going to WWE. Penta had, I think, a month added to his contract. Ray Phoenix then had nine months added to his contract. Then also, six hours ago, as we are recording,

Ray Phoenix tweeted out, I needed a doctor and you ignored me for months. Oh. Now that may remind you of something. That's what Siam Punk said about things when he was on Ariel Hawani, remember? That when he was out after he got hurt, he never heard from anyone in the company. He did all of his own shit. Yeah.

So here's Ray Phoenix. And again, we don't know if it's about the arm, which was several years ago or something more recent. I needed a doctor and you ignored me for months. Now, again, it's all kind of a riddle. Someone, and I don't know who this is, Dr. Chris Featherstone, Ph.D. That can't, wait a minute, Dr. Chris Featherstone, PhD, that's got to be some kind of gimmick. Like, wouldn't Tomaso Champa, like Thomas Penmanship at one point? Well, here's what he tweeted out, and I'll give you the responsibility.

Wait, but I think it's a Hotchkiss Featherbottom want to be. Go ahead. I received information from an AEW source on November 20th regarding the Lucha Brothers status, but did not report it as I was waiting for one of them to begin speaking their mind about the situation. I was told that was coming. I was also told that day that Penta's contract was ending soon with AEW. Ray Phoenix did just that, and parentheses spoke his mind. So here is some intel I received. The alleged excuse that Tony Kahn found out about the Lutja Brothers being in the

talks with WWE is fake news, and the real reason will be revealed. There is a real story behind the situation where Ray Phoenix, which is a huge injustice. Well, wait a minute. Hold on pause now. So he's saying the story will be revealed, but he ain't going to reveal it here. That's right. Okay, so yet to be, to be determined, okay. Expect the Lucha Brothers to go more in depth about their time in AEW when they are free and clear to do so, and when they do, it is going to be ugly.

Ray Phoenix responded, so far the most accurate comment. Oh! And then the next thing said, unfortunately due to contractual issues, I cannot speak now, but I will have my time. It sounds like he's got a song, he needs to sing, and he's going to sing it sooner or later. Now this comes on the heels of a number of things with all different levels of talent, from everything with Kevin Kelly and the Tate Twins, which we've talked about, to Jake Hager, his, was it Halloween or was it election, it was election night.

He had an election night flip out about the election. Well, and I mean, even I don't believe Tony Kahn's a communist, for heaven's sake. But it sounded like there may have been bigger issues with him and the company. We don't know. This comes on... A lot of people not happy. Ricky Starks Everything with Ricky Starks

in the way this has been conducted This comes on the heels of hearing About wrestlers You know again going back to Jellie Nettella Who were ghosted by the office They went home and they were home And that was it They never heard from again

So there are all these variety of issues Everything being blamed on Sam Bonk And by the way I know Ryan Nemeth There you go Having a complaint About a fucking complaint About a complaint

but a lot of people are going to say, oh, he didn't get a doctor, I thought Tony pays for everything. Paying for and getting a doctor are two different things. They can say, well, we either paid or reimbursed or did whatever. I don't think anybody's suing the company for unpaid medical bills. But here the thing is obviously a big-time TV wrestling company and an organization owned by a billionaire, such as, The WWE, you would imagine, would have access to the better doctors

and the more experienced sports, professional, orthopedic people, and blah, blah, blah, like Dr. Jim Andrews and Birmingham that a lot of the guys went to for so long and the state-of-the-art guys, instead of, to be honest, some fucking random guy living in Mexico or does he live in California, almost the same thing with the health care system. we've got 40 million fucking people he doesn't want to just go see somebody that does

you know when somebody falls off a roof I got to fix his fucking arm or his leg or whatever he's a professional athlete but you need a company and organization a structure behind you to find you these people and these rehab people and that's what punk was talking about

he handled everything himself where he lives in Chicago he's been through that he had contact But a lot of these guys get left up to, well, let us know how much it costs, it sounds like. Yeah, Ray Phoenix, hold on to your receipts and lay out all the money, and we'll be in touch. And that has happened before. Not only possibly in this company, I've heard of that happening before, not in the

WWE, but in a variety of places. This idea, and we've talked about in the past with people who weren't tweeting out stuff like this, like with Miro. Although Miro tweeted out stuff too now that I think about it. Oh, yeah. Well, there's been a lot of tweeters at various points that were upset, people that are sometimes either still there or not there anymore or whatever. Yeah, I mean, Ray Phoenix wants to do something else, obviously. At this point, why would you even want him? When it becomes this public, you know, everyone always says, well, this is what WWE does. They don't just let guys go. Yeah, well, Brian Danielson wasn't on Twitter for years saying, use me or your inhumane treatment will be known to the public.

Like, that wasn't happening. Free me from the chains of bondage. Yeah, that wasn't happening. It's happening here specifically with AEW over and over and over and over again. And also, I mean, let's be very honest, and we don't know what Ray Phoenix is trying to do. But Tony is the guy who will pay a lot of money to get you in an NDA to shut up

if he thinks you're going to say something. They try to get Ryan Netheth at a three-year end... They tried to give him a three-year severance package to sign an NDA when they still have... But whatever, they said three-year salary and he was owed a per-night deal. So how to... fuck does that you even do that?

Okay. I would have booked you 12 times over the next year. What, I don't... So what do you do? Because again, you don't want to... If you're a wrestling promoter, you don't want to just release talent

who declare, I want to go to WWE, so I'll punch Sammy in the face. Again, this is not a new problem. But this Ray Phoenix thing has been bubbling for a while. Now he's starting to, tweet things out now, people who may have heard the story from a source

starting to sprinkle in some information around that. What do you do if you're Tony Kahn? Do you just release them? What do you do, I guess? I'll just leave it at that. Well, what the real problem here is, is that they obviously want to go to the WWE together, the Lucha Brothers. But one's got one month and the other one has nine months. and that's, you know, that's awkward.

And, you know, if the one guy says, well, I'm not going to sign until my brother can sign, well, then they might not be ready to sign by the time that that happens. Maybe they both lose out. Conversely, if he signs and then even if they do sign his brother in how many months with a non-compete, then they're always uneven on their contracts. they want to be a unit, they want to be a pair,

they want to negotiate together. So this is affecting them years on down the line in their career if they just can't even get this opportunity when they're both free together. So this is even more convoluted and potentially something and might play on people's heartstrings than just one guy.

And, yeah, but at least he's getting paid. You know, whatever. It's, you know, the one guy, effecting the other guy. And no one's thrown out the word inhumane. But I mean, but that's, well, maybe that's another one of those translations. What does that mean? Tony can't be chained to the dog in the cellar.

Like, what the fuck? He's been whipping me with a fucking extension cord. And the whole locker room is filled with wire hangers. Meanwhile, by the way, Penta, if he is not signed with WWE, I believe it's imminent. He gave a farewell speech. I want to say it was a AAA show I saw a video of. Saying goodbye to Mexico for now. You know, again, it's a real...

The problem is these are messy situations that are now always spilling out into the public space. Well, yeah, and where I was going with that short version real quick is, yes, in most cases, I'm for a promoter being able to extend a contract if he's been paying the guy, but this was an egregious injury on something that, you know, they just do so much stupid shit. Assuming it's that injury, though, again, we... Well...

We don't know what, because that was a while ago, and he's been out, you know, before they had this problem, he was out, wasn't he? I mean... Well, we haven't seen him in ages, but a lot of time people just come and go to the point where, you know, I got to be sympathetic with talent here, even though I don't like them. I think they're the shits and their matches are all the same, but... You know, I'm sympathetic to the talent in this instance that he fucking... vanished them a long time ago and they were in and out after

for a period of time we couldn't get rid of them. They're not that valuable to him anymore to begin with. So why not let them fucking go? And you're still not setting a precedent that's set in stone because

of the fact that it is two of them and you're trying to work with brother. I think they really are brothers. To facilitate the next stage of their career, but that doesn't mean you have to let every Tom, Dick, and Harry out of their contract just because they don't want to be in it, but he had used them in fucking... How long has it been?

Has it been a year since we've seen these fucking people? It's been a long time, and here's a weird question, and I think I already know the answer, but is there anything to the point here in this day and age where you could sell the contract? You could be... Well, I shouldn't say sell the contract necessarily, but, you know, buy me out. You want to get out of your contract and now? Buy me out.

not really that much money in the general scheme of things, but otherwise you're just paying someone to sit home while you keep extending them. Well, Vince had in 19, what was it, 97, I think Davey Boy did that. He said, if Davey Boy wanted to go to the, to the WCW, I sound like Brett now, but to WCW, I think he had to buy for some six figure some, buy out the rest of his deal. and, you know, I'm sure he made a deal with Bischoff that covered it or whatever, but that's not unheard of. And conversely, that's what I pitched to in the opposite. I pitched to Hurd in 1990.

Hey, just you owe whatever the total of all three of our contracts was. You just pay us half and we'll go away right now and you won't have to fly us around or whatever. I don't want to set that precedent. And then like a year later, he bought Jimmy Garvin out two years at $150,000 a year. He gave him $180,000 just to go away. Saved him $120,000. I'm like, goddamn, it would have cost him that much to set the precedent with us. He was just too stubborn.

But yeah, that's, you know, for a while there, you could actually get a promoter to pay you to go home. Anyway, we wish the best to Ray Phoenix in his future endeavors, don't we, Brian? We do, and I'm trying to see right now if the Ray Phoenix story is what triggered this next thing, because I have a couple of things that, I know you're aware of one of them, but a couple of Dave Meltzer tweets that we've been inundated with. Oh, boy, well, that's what I figured you were going to bring that up. And again, it's important to note that Dave years ago talked about the fact that his behavior, on social media was a business strategy

to drive attention to the observer. I don't know how it's working now. I mean, they keep putting other things behind their paywall. But why? I don't know how it's working. Well, no, you tell me because you know

the social media and the young folks and everything, how was sounding like an anally retentive fucking obnoxious prick, a positive business strategy? When you're talking to the people that are listening to your fucking show or reading your newsletter.

How, why was that a strategy that was going to have a positive effect of some kind, is what I'm trying to say? Well, I think maybe the lack of self-awareness and- He's not even a gimmick. He's not a performer. He's not a heel or a baby face or a fucking noted controversial spokesperson for fucking shop at home, he's supposed to be a reporter. So how is that a positive? I'm sorry, go ahead.

Well, let me give you this first tweet, and again, I'm trying to see where it originated from. I think it was arguing over Ray Phoenix. If not, it was over Ricky Starks, but that'll kind of give you the idea about releasing people from their contract who aren't being used. Dave retweeted someone and wrote, If WWE starts releasing anyone who asks, then the game will have changed. when the game changes Tony should change as well until that happens

if he does so and WWE doesn't WWE will very aggressively try and make offers for people to leave even if under contract and AEW will also end up doing the same any thoughts on that

boy he will kick the shit out of grammar won't he just fucking grind it into dust so what he's saying is if WWE starts releasing people, then Tony should too. But until they do, Tony shouldn't. That's one of the first point he's making, right?

I believe so, yes. Which is actually, it sounds, you know, like you wouldn't be able to shoot holes into it until you realize that every situation is different and whether or not WW releases somebody on their side should have nothing to do with whether,

Tony releases somebody on his side because it's all completely different circumstances. However, Uncle Dave is also in the heretofores and dangling participles. He's got to realize that in, it's not going to, how can I phrase this? There's not going to be the same level playing field in W. and AEW ever, because WWE is not going to be a place where people are just stomping, kicking, and screaming for the most part to get away from,

to get out of to escape these days. You don't see this level of, I'm chained to my contract on Twitter and on videos shot from their car that you, from the WWE talent that you do from the AW talent, as you mentioned before. And they're going to handle it more professionally

with the WW guys, whether they would be like a, you get a stray ricochet up. See, I made a pun there. You get a stray ricochet every now and then where he's happier playing with the other guys than he is, you know, working for the big company.

But for the most part, these guys are going to want to handle that more professionally because they're young enough to know they're going to go back to the WWE or they're going to go back hat and hand at some point to the WWE, whether they go back employment-wise or not, and they don't want to burn that bridge.

But nobody's going to have a run with AEW and then leave it and think, oh, if I could only get back to AEW. Can we agree on that, Brian? I think so, yeah. So it's a completely different and if the WWE tells some guy on the roster look, you're under contract, so let us know

when you're done if that person goes and starts punching people in the hallway or trying to get fired the the WWE is not going to say to a talent go commit an offense heinous enough to make Tony fire you they're not going to say that

and then it becomes up to the talent and then it becomes up to the fact that Tony runs a fucking lunatic asylum, right? Yeah. I mean, that's the problem. I mean, from day one, even before AEW, we were talking about the lack of management, the lack of serious people in charge,

and that was before we really got to see Tony on full display. Now we've seen him in action. We realize it's even worse than what everyone thought in terms of just the lack of a backbone, the lack of a management, the lack of a CEO, I mean, everything. But you know what? And here's the thing.

There's some people in there, but can anybody be taken seriously as an authority figure when everybody knows that Tony is telling any of the other office personnel what to do? So Tony's the boss. And, you know, so there's just, there's no leadership. You ever hear that story, Mike Eisner, when he was running Disney, hired Michael Ovitz, the most successful Hollywood agent up until that point in time in the business, to be the number two, his number two at Disney. And Mike Ovitz feared that, you know, this may be a problem because I've had a really bad relationship with a lot of your top executives.

And the first meeting where Michael Eisner says to Mike Ovitz, you know, meet, you know, these two guys, these guys meet him. They both stand up and say, I'll never report to you. And the other guy said the same thing. And Michael Eisner did not back up Mike Ovitz. And that right away cut out his nuts and that killed his tenure right there, right? Right from the start. And that's the problem with AEW. He can hire Shane McMahon, he could bring in Paul Heyman, whatever fantasy person anyone wants to think

about. They could try to do anything. At the end of the day, a John Moxley could circumvent anyone to go right to Tony. And so can anyone who's not even a main eventer, or maybe he could party with him, or maybe you could just text with him. And there's way too many people who have no knowledge about what they're doing or how to book or how to do things for the best of the company now and in the long term, there's none of these guys talking to Tony, so he's just being fed a lot of self-serving shit from everyone, and he, well, again, I don't mean to go off on Tony right now. With a funnel, with a funnel. Well, just how he's being fed. But anyway, back to this. That previous tweet from Dave, someone

named Air at Air Gold on Twitter. Someone named Air. Responded, why is Tony waiting for WWE to change? Is he not supposed to be an alternative? Shouldn't he be the trendsetter in this regard rather than a follower? Dave responded, because he and I and Nick Con and Paul Levec all know where this leads. Is that like when it was Groucho Harpochico and Zepo? Because he and I, Tony Con and him,

and Nick Con and Paul Levec, all know where this leads. Either you play by the same rules or you get eat, alive by the side not playing by those rules. If you are in a fist fight and you say, I'm going to be nice, I won't punch you in the face, and the other guy laughs at you and punches you in the face, you are creating a huge disadvantage for yourself. That's living in reality. So again, there's a lot there, but the main thing that people lost their minds about.

And with the release, there's a lot of context to that. And again, sometimes on either side of the fence, it may be possible. that a guy might be enough of an annoyance that you don't mind letting him go somewhere. That happens sometimes too. But Dave said the quiet part out loud. Because he and I, because Tony Con and I, and Nick Con and Paul Leveck. Like those are the two booking teams. The two captains of industry on either side that are running the companies, yes.

Again, that is a question that we've never received. even inaccurate. We never will either. But how much is Dave advising Tony? Because we know of several things, we know specifics of several things, where Tony immediately reached out to Dave and sought Dave's advice, sought Dave's words, whatever they may be. So when he says he and I and Nick Conn and Paul Aveck all know this, it makes you feel like Tony and Dave may be, Tony may be getting advice from Dave, who's in the wrestling bubble with a lot of bad hair dyes. So I don't know what to think of all this.

What do you think? Well, I'm just trying to, what order did he put him in? He and I and Triple H and Nick Kahn. So is Dave the Nick Kahn or the Twitch came first? Dave's the Triple H. He and I and Nick Kahn and Paul LeVec. Okay, so it's Dave and Triple H are on equal.

They're the creative geniuses. And then Tony Kahn and Nick Kahn are the business. masterminds. Who's going to win that fight? You want to talk about a fist fight? Who's going to win that fight right there? That's living in reality. I think Nick Kahn could take both of them at this point.

Jesus, that's living in reality. But again, this goes to the... Do you think does he see himself in that role, or is it actually official that Tony is now said, well, Dave, what should I do? And Dave's sending him fucking notes. Well, we'll discuss that with our last story in a moment about Dave and Tony.

But any final thoughts on this? Again, tying back to, you know, the releasing of wrestlers, you can't do it if WWE doesn't do it because you'll be eaten alive by WWE. Should AW really be considering... I mean, I know they got Tony's money, but, you know, AEW should be looking themselves

more like a TNA than a WVE maybe right now. Well, but no, but also, again, I mean, I've spoken out in the past for, standing up for your rights when you're a promoter, you got a contract on a guy, but every case is different to some or, you know, if the guy's

trying to fuck you around or whatever, blah, blah, blah. But this is a little more sympathetic. It's got the extra brother in there. And also, you got to take, just because one company does or doesn't do something, as I said before, the context is different. how many people are really wanting to get to fuck out of WWE these days versus especially four or five years ago with this thing

they knew it was going to happen but they didn't know what it was going to be like there was a lot of people wanting to leave right that talk has quieted down on besides ricochet and or let's face it people who are possibly in the in the sunset of their lives. Nobody's really wanting to get out of there now. But you've got a lot of people making a stink in AEW. I don't think Tony Kahn can just afford to willy-nilly release everybody

that doesn't want to be there without having them at least bring them back and do something with them to help someone else get over, utilize their goddamn perceived value while you've got them and then get to fuck rid of them because they don't want to be there. But I don't know why he just can't that's probably he can't confront people he can't fire people, he can't suspend people,

he can't discipline people, he can't make people come back to work. If he doesn't have something for somebody, he doesn't have the guts to tell them so they go home and they get a check and that way he doesn't feel bad. There's just, there's no having his hands on everything. Well, Jim, one last thing on this topic.

A Dave Meltzer tweet last week got a ton of attention and people sent it to us in droves. Someone named Detrain on Twitter wrote WCW would have never went out of business if Tony Kahn was running it. Dave Meltzer retweeted this and wrote, I've never thought about this, but it is probably true. I mean, we'll never know.

We don't know if it would have had the assent, but if he opened the checkbook and signed the top guys and treated them well, well, maybe would have. I treated them well, maybe would have. Excuse me, it's Twitter. It's Dave. He could copy New Japan Pro Wrestling as well, and maybe more than just one angle because he'd study.

For sure, they'd have never. never had the 2000 descent. But maybe he'd have never lost Austin and pushed him and more aggressively pursued Dwayne. Oh, Jesus Christ. Too many factors, we don't know. More aggressively pursued Dwayne like there was a bidding war. Nobody knew Rocky Johnson's son wouldn't be a wrestler until he'd signed with Vents. Right, didn't they go through Paterson? Like, hey. Yes. Pat did Rocky a personal favor to bring Dwayne to Vince's attention and get him up to Stanford and have

Tom Pritcher work out with him and have him have the dark match with the Brooklyn Brawler and etc. Because Pat had seen him and talked to him and believed in him because of his personality his look, et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, it's not like that he was shopping himself

around or that other companies were bidding for him or whatever. It was, you know, Rocky Johnson called in a favor and it turned out to be, you know, splindiferous for everybody. But not even to get fixated on that, but it's just, were you finished with his statement?

Yeah, I mean, that's too many factors, we don't know. Well, there certainly are. First of all, you really have to be on Tony Kahn's dick to say that he would have saved WCW, but go ahead. Well, but no, actually, I may have agree with at least the

basic answer to the question, would WCW still be in business because we've never said now at this point we think we've established Tony Kahn can spend any amount of money to stay in

business. So they might still be in B. He might have spent $5 billion. But again, that's assuming he owned it. We're just saying if Tony Kahn ran it as an executive, not if he funded it. Oh, okay. Well, see, now that would be a

horse of a different animal. That would be insane, because now you're talking about if Tony's not putting the money in to keep it around and Tony, it's not Tony's pet to do with as he wants and do everything he does in AEW with and he just came in to run a fucking

thing. Are you out of your fucking mind? As much as I have excursiated him for some things in the past so Tony would be better at navigating the egos in WCW like

Hall and Nash and Hogan and Fuggin Savage and Piper and all these people at various times than Eric Bischoff was Tony the noted schmoozer, the noted confrontationalist, the noted fucking

whatever that also that you mean to tell me that all the people, Rick Flair, Kevin Sullivan, the fucking, I'm not even going to talk about shit stain because, you know, that might even be a toss-up as far as the booking champion

between Tony Kahn and Vince Rousseau, but all the legendary wrestling minds that had a crack at that, Tony Kahn could have done better than all of them. Tony Kahn could have defeated the, at the time Turner Broadcasting System

corporate structure that we've talked about. Tony Conn, Tony Con couldn't handle a fucking disagreement between CM Punk and two fucking midgets from Coookamonga.

Or CM Punk and job guys. And he was going to be in there with fucking waiting deep into the goddamn trenches when it was all going to hell in WCW between all these fucking guys. You thought Turner paid people

to go away. wait until Tony Con ran out. Boy, howdy. So, but no, not on any level of what television visionary was Tony Con going to be that he was going to produce better television than the shows that right up until the end were drawing 10 times the viewership and more potentially, according to my math, then the shows that he's doing right now. And again, one of Dave's little stupid things, he'd study.

So it wouldn't just be he'd steal the NWO from Japan. He may steal other things from New Japan because he studies. Yes, so what it well is I've said a million times. If you steal from one person, it's plagiarism. If you steal from many, it's research. Another way of saying research is studied. Tony would have fucking plagiarized a whole bunch more if somebody else's material if he'd had a chance.

By the way, what's he studying now? California Championship Wrestling? What's he studying currently with his booking? Yes, what is this emulating that we have ever seen before? I'd like to know. But that's, again, Dave can't, pretty soon it's going to be,

you know, if only Tony had been there alongside Dr. Christian Bernard, then everybody would have an artificial heart and they'd like it. But that's the disconnect. You could like Tony as a person. You could root for Tony. You can try to help Tony.

But when you lie and pretend that Tony could have somehow run the business, the organization, the booking, anything better than what Bischoff did at his best. And again, Bischoff has a lot of faults. But you can't take away all the positives. Kevin Sullivan was booking. Kevin Sullivan's a better booker than Tony Kahn. So what exactly would Tony have done differently? And again, if we're saying that Tony could have saved WCW with his booking, how come he can't save AEW with his booking?

When's that going to start? But that's the problem, Dave. Dave comes up with excuses. Dave doesn't admit that Tony, that the only reason Tony's here is his dad threw a bunch of money at him. Tony's not a seasoned executive. He's not a talented executive. He doesn't have a business background. It all becomes, well, no, Tony ran an analytics company.

And Tony was an executive with the NFL team. And Tony was a billionaire on his own, I read that Dave wrote. Oh, God. So there's a series of just bullshit being put out there. But when you say that WCW would have never went out of business that Tony was running it, they would have never went on a business of Tony was funding it. Well, but now, we said earlier in one of our previous discussions here a little while ago, that Uncle Dave had adopted this being a fucking just anal asshole on Twitter as a

what it not a marketing tool but a engagement thing or how how did he phrase it it was something to make him more popular or to help the observer or whatever but actually i have a tweet the melcher says what account had some tweets or some no this is from dave's message board september 2019 so this is five years ago business has grown considerably as someone who is obsessed with studying business to the point I compiled the correct about, about, I think he means amount, the correct amount of stories to post for maximum subscriptions. If Twitter wasn't a strong positive, I wouldn't be on it. I think that would be obvious. Can you, can he be obsessed with grammar as much as he is with studying and learning? Who taught Dave? I want to know if Dave even knows

what's studying. Who taught Dave? This is how you study. Now tell everyone you're studying, recommend they study, show them how to study, tell them what to study. So they can learn. Do you think it's part of the decline that he's losing grip on how to apply certain words in the English language? You know, as we get this thing from time, when suffering a cognitive issue, but nevertheless, the point I was going to make is he's being a prick on Twitter as a marketing strategy, but does he not realize that when he continues to just lick Tony's balls as he is and he hung the sun and the moon and I love to stand with him

looking over the stars at the poncher train he's getting heat on Tony even with the people that kind of like Tony or liked AEW they're starting to go god damn this is uncomfortable with this fucking way that Dave talks about Tony Kahn and pedestals him and worships him and idolizes him and can't acknowledge, or if he does acknowledge any defect, then he soft pedals it and backs up with more compliments. And he could have kept, you know,

the Edsel would have been the most popular model of car in America if Tony Kahn. It's getting heat on Tony Kahn from even people who liked him because it's so blatantly over the top, it? Is that what I'm starting to see? It's completely over the top. And again, Dave never just says that Tony can't do it. It's always about, well, look at these other positives here, or WWE's so hot, or, you know, Tony's done this and Tony's done that, plus 550 million plus Wembley.

But the truth of the matter is, and everyone knows it, everyone's known it for a long time, more people know it today than they did a few years ago. Tony Kahn cannot do it. He cannot book. He cannot run a wrestling company. he cannot be an effective manager. At this point, you have to question anything he's done with the Jaguars too based on everything we've read about them. You know, I don't give a shit about the Jaguars

over the last five years because of AEW, we've had to kind of pay attention to them a little bit because people send us the stories. We have got more feedback on football because of the Jaguars than anybody, and they're always saying, my God, this is a fucking cluster fuck of a team. Yeah, always.

So that's the problem. Dave never just comes out and says the truth. And remember when they said they couldn't find a fucking cart so they just had to hobble the player off with his arms around the other guys show off the field? I believe that was their star quarterback, but I couldn't be mistaken. But I believe that was the situation. Get him out of here.

We got a game to play. Hall that son of a bitch off of here. But I think that's the issue right there. And maybe that would be the end of Dave and Tony if Dave came out and said. Or the other side of it is maybe Dave is so out of touch. He doesn't really understand it, grasp it or see it. with AEW and Tony Khan.

He doesn't, you know, everything is about blaming everything else except Tony Khan. But it's Tony Khan. And it's also the people that Tony's been listening to, Dave. But it's Tony Khan. And this has been a great exposure of message boards smartdom

and why having opinions and going back and forth with people on message boards is not the same as actually putting together a show that people want to see. That's good. You would think that somebody who studies and learns would figure out what's going on. Yeah, I'm sorry, I forgot.

You like my higher pitched voice. What's going on? No, that was good. That was good. That was good. That was good. The subdued one was better, I think. Oh, oh.

What's going on? Yeah. What's going on? All right. Well, you know what's going on, Brian? By the way, this has been breaking with Brian, ladies gentlemen, where we come to there was no. There's no reason for the musical interlude on the interweb there.

We could have just verbally pitched right out into another thing and been right as rain. Well, folks, if you hear that music playing in your head, it's probably you need some kind of nourishment of some kind. Either if you're diabetic, you might need some sugar or too much sugar. I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I don't know either. But I'll tell you, if you're just looking for some way to get away from that horrible organ music and you want to use, I'm hungry as an excuse, you know what, you don't even have to go to a snack bar and order, say, a Philly cheese steak sandwich.

You can just, you can load up on a protein with something you can carry in your pocket. Well, not for too long. If it's real cold, it'll probably give you blue balls. but the organ 30 gram protein shakes is what I'm talking about. See, these things manage hunger also. Satisfy your cravings. Let's say you want an ice cream cone. Well, that's bad for you.

You don't want to do that. You suck down one of these chocolate milkshake organe 30 gram protein shakes. Drink it responsibly, yes. Well, you can't drink these irresponsibly. There's no alcohol in them. It's not, there's not a order on them. It says you can't operate heavy machinery.

Well, you can't just chug. I wouldn't just go right for the chug. You don't know how it'll be. You got to, you got to sip it so that you don't fill up your whole mouth and choke and puke it out or anything. Your whole mouth and choke and puke. Look, what are you, if you're an organ virgin, the first taste. What?

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He was Fabian. That's what I'm talking about. Pat Boone covered Tootie-Fruity. All righty, speaking of covering Tootie-Fruity, it's time for us to cover the Tudy-Fruity activities on Smackdown on December the 6th. They're all... They're all just nuts over there.

They're all just lunatics. They were in Minneapolis at the Target Center. Great-looking crowd. I do not remember if I heard the attendance called, but it looked nice on television. But again, this is a show where not a lot happened that was of any great interest. And then you got the high points.

It'll do you for 45 minutes or so. but the start of the program was the Survivor Series recap and then they did an injury of, they should have called it the body count on the men's war games match. Three guys out of the ten guys in a match are injured and out indefinitely. Bronson Reed, Tonga Loa, and Jimmy Uso.

And for three different reasons, but... Again, Brian, if only there was someone perceptive enough to say, you know, Bronson Reed is a great talent, they're really getting him over, but a guy that size of that weight, you've got to watch the stuff that he does because it will take a toll on your joints. If only someone might have uttered those exact words, what about a week ago on this program? And now they played the footage when he came off the top of the cage and splashed,

who's he what's he through the table he broke well they said at various points broken foot and ankle injury it may be both because did you see the video they slow mode and put yeah i wish they didn't show that well oh hey the x-ray was enough that's approximately what stacey had an ankle injury how many years ago don't want to reveal a woman's age There's a long time ago at the independent wrestling show where her ankles turned sideways like that. Hers was actually a little more sideways. But point is she's got like five pins in the fucking thing.

They said he's out indefinitely and is going to undergo surgery or maybe already has undergone. But boy, he didn't need to come off the top of the cage at 400 pounds or whatever he is. Did he hit anyone or was that when someone got off the table? No, no, no, no. He splashed whoever he was supposed to take out. I think he splashed him through the table, didn't he?

You know, as we're talking about it, I don't remember. We're thinking of when punk saved open. But who was that? Was that Bronzer? It may have been, I don't fucking know. Point in, because so many people and two girls came off the top of the cage before this happened. and then Jimmy Uso it has a broken toe

from coming off the top of the cage with a splash because where do you land when you're splashing your toes are going to hit even if you're trying to shoot splash all your weight on a guy your toes are going to hit the ground and that happens

on these high altitude splashes you know more than sometimes you hear about is my fucking toe. But it's not as bad. The broken toe is not as bad as Bronson Reeds. And with that, the one good thing they did on these, we're going to get to Tonga Loa in a minute. They showed the X-rays.

They highlighted, they showed where the injury took place and or, I think, in Tonga Loa's case, where they wanted you to think. But they showed the x-rays of the injuries. It's good for the business. Makes it look dangerous. It's, you know, not good for the talent. But that's the point is they've spent all this time and effort,

and it has worked and getting Bronson Reed over. He's a bigger star than he's ever been. They got the splash off the top rope over as death. Why did he need to come off the top of the cage? I mean, did you remember? I've told you a story when the summer of 88 bashes, Dusty was going to book Warlord and Barbarian against the Road War. and scaffold matches.

Oh, yeah. That's when they left and went to the WWF to become baby cases. Yes. And if you think that was, the timing was a coincidence, I'm sorry,

because I was in a locker room and it's not. They heard what? They were both 300 fucking pounds. And I mean, barbarian, I think in his day in his prime,

you would think of barbarian, he could do anything athletic. He probably could have done it. Those legs were tree trunks. But Wardlord was, was 320 at that point. And they thought, we ain't going to beat the road warriors at a scaffold match.

Plus, the road warriors are like, well, we're not doing a job in the scaffold match. We'll have one. But we're 300 pounds. We can't take that bump. Can't drop that far on your feet. Insert joke about what happened to me. You know, but think if I'd wait another

hundred and something pounds at a time. So they said fuck it made the call to Vince and guess who ended up on a scaffold in the Bash's 88 the Midnight Express to Fantastics but that's it he didn't need to do it and I hate to see for both sides I see the business side of the disappointment that you feel when you're in the office, when you're a creative team, whatever, and a guy's gotten over and then all of a sudden something like that happens, and for the talent, I know that feeling too. So, but this was,

they would have taken it off the top rope, is all I'm saying. And remember, earlier in the night, here's this big giant that hurt himself, EO Sky, wasn't it, with the can on her head? Backwards with a garbage can on her head. But now, okay, it was a, half her body on her head, covering half her body.

Well, it was a bright purple canned. I'm sure it was probably custom made. It didn't look like they just painted a regular garbage can. They probably padded the inside. Maybe they had handles for her to hold on to so it didn't move around anywhere. An apparatus

to put her head into. I don't know. Maybe the outside of it was made of unborn virgin goat's milk. And wouldn't hurt the fucking girls that were catching her when she came from 15 feet in the air flipping. But still, what the, why?

Why did she have a TV monitor in there so she could she could know where she was jumping? Would anybody have been disappointed with that show if you'd have taken out EO Sky with the garbage can and Bronson Reed had come off the top rope and going through the table instead of coming off top of the cage. Would anybody have asked for a refund? And remember, Tiffany Stratton did a swan ton dive off the top of the cage at the same point you did the garbage can jump. Eoskeyes. Yes, and they had to do it at the same time, so it came off looking fake anyway while everybody was standing there while Can Girl got her fucking

can in the right place. You know, it's the one-upsmanship. Where every time there's another one of these matches, someone has to do something to one-up whatever was in the previous one. But no, but in that company, they're being allowed to. They didn't just, said that she didn't bring her own fucking can. That was an approved can bump. What I'm saying is can we goddamn say no to the talent if they're

coming up with this and can we exhibit a little bit more thought. I've told a story when in Milwaukee for Ring of Vonn or Steen, Kevin Owens wanted fucking Mark Briscoe to splash him through a table off the balcony. and I was like

the briskos are booked in a goddamn pay-per-view in New York in a couple weeks, so were you as a matter of fact you fat bastard when you would do this in Milwaukee for a 672 people it just so now Bronson Reed

has broken bones in his in his ankle and foot two months before the Royal Rumble and four months before WrestleMania so that ain't good for business and then

final comments on this injury plague that we've got oh and Tonga Loa I'm sorry I forgot torn bicep he's going to have surgery he's had to have surgery but he could have torn the bicep anywhere they showed punk hitting him with the garbage or the garbage can the toolbox

but a torn bicep is often not a visual injury where it looks good. I think that was more visual. I don't know whether that's what did it. I would doubt it. What do you think? What about the torn bicep?

Ouch. Was he? Well, I mean, did he take some screwy bump that I didn't fucking pay attention to? I don't know. It's toggle low. Maybe he was walking. We've seen this guy do some funny things. I like him.

He always seems like such a nice guy who's mixed up with the wrong crowd. Hopefully he gets better soon. Hopefully all these guys do. Yeah, it's just... Can you imagine you're in the back, though? It's like, oh, I think I broke my entire foot. Oh, I tore my bicep. Yeah, man, my toe.

Yeah, my toe. Oh, God. It's the pinky toe. Hey, you don't know what I wanted to ask you before when you brought up that a lot of guys have hurt their toes? I never thought of this question before, but I know what used to happen to me playing basketball a lot. Were there a lot of jammed fingers in wrestling? Oh, God.

Yeah. Well, that's... I've mentioned before when you shook hands with Lou Thubes it was like you were putting your hand inside a catcher's mitt where every joint was a big giant ball bearing because he'd had every joint of his fingers broken so many times they were just big and hard and yeah you know a lot of times you'd see guys the finger the finger on the tape they put the finger on the tape

the tape on the fingers was often not to hide a blade it was because you had a broken finger or finger that you figured it might be broken that you just taped to the next one so it wouldn't bend too fucking far so that was common I mean now you know they have people to check it out and everything but in those days a finger or a toe

you just taped it to the next one and didn't really say too much about it but it would hamper the guys that wanted to flare had a bad finger one time and he couldn't fucking chop but it was driving him crazy. But anyway, speaking of a bad finger, they gave us the finger with the first talking segment

because it was Cody plugging Saturday night's main event against Kevin Owens, and then Chad Gable interrupted. And remember when we thought that they were turning him, getting him away from Otis and Tzawa and Model Girl, and he may be going to be a serious, you know,

upper level, type fucking guy because he can work his ass off. What an athlete. And now he's got two more useless guys and another fucking bland girl. And they're back in the upper middle. I know that they wanted a TV match so Cody could get a good win

and this guy is, you know, an excellent worker. But I fast forwarded through this whole deal because I just didn't care and by the time it was over we were 18 minutes in the fucking show but he dumped two rotten guys and a rotten girl and got two more rotten guys and a rotten girl.

It's in the same fucking place. And they were there because of some kind of was it a transfer period or a show swap, whatever it was they were there from Raw and as soon as you saw Gable come out and you kind of knew what it was going to be so I paid attention but

it seemed like it was going to be a throwaway episode. well i didn't throw it away because i you know i wanted to keep my television i just didn't enjoy what i was watching on it but anyway real briefly we'll get to the to the meat of the matter uh chelsea and piper beat bianca up in the back that was that was terrible and then we had a women's triple threat u.s title match where tiffie wrestled carmen electra who all wrestled naomi and tiffy won and we were 30 minutes into the fucking show. And then we come

to another one of the in the back. What were we just saying last week? Goddamn, everybody is attacked in the back. And it was with the Hurt Syndicate. Said at least their shit looked good, right?

It looked intimidating and you know, and it didn't look fake or anything, but still it was the same shit everybody does. Another day coming through security Solo and Fatu and whoever the fuck beat up people at security

so there's constant angles in the back well in this point the street profits had been attacked and Nick Aldous is there the general manager of this fucking Kmart and he sees that these two guys have been beat up

and they're down and they're moaning and there's people checking on them. And he says they need medical attention. They're hurt badly. So then Aldus walks completely away from them and fucking the camera follows him and you never see him a goddamn again. Did you notice

that? I did. And the camera follows him as he as he sees, I'm sorry, as he sees the Motor City machine guns, Shelley and Sabin and old Johnny same face, Gargano,

he's there standing there talking each other and he sees them and well the prophets can't wrestle and gargano says well we could we can step in and so i guess all this is thinking well you can't green forever these guys may be permanently paralyzed but we got to have a fucking match okay so he again the camera leave it gets so commonplace i guess even the cameraman is bored by people being attacked in the back but these guys are down with potentially career-ending injuries we don't know they got a goddamn hot sauce suppository whatever the fuck but the camera follows all this 20 feet down the hallways so he can give their match away in the next 45 seconds i just found that funny please don't penalize me for no no no i think

it is funny i think all this does a good job at all these situations too as funny as that's well yeah he doesn't give a shit he's like i have two more of these fucking clowns that got jumped to the back I paused the TV in the background on the news. The headline. Drones? Ray Gun the musical pulled after breakdancer calls in lawyers. Oh, I saw this.

So apparently there's something going on. I have to follow up with, but... They were going to make a musical about the whole Raygun experience, her dancing in the Olympics and the controversy or whatever. And her lawyers have put the kibosh. on that. And apparently they've got some kind of baby face reasoning like, well, we don't

want other people subjected to potential mockery and whatever. And it's always accompanied by the picture of her doing the kangaroo thing. Yeah, I mean, how could that not be mocked everywhere? I mean, we'll see what happens. Raygun, maybe they

have to change it and, you know, Baygun the musical. Do you think, I know we talked about this before, but when every time I see, clip from that routine when she was doing it because she was she was serious about it

I mean it was like she was doing the shit for real did she really think she was doing well or was she just putting up the front and going hey I'm doing this in the Olympics so I got to carry it off or did she believe you know how could you

well shit stain thinks he's a writer. Anyway, back to the people who wrote this show. Bianca wrestled Piper and she won, Bianca, that is, we were 50 minutes in. And what is this, glow at this point? And then they recap the women's war games. And then Bianca and Naomi did some more girl talk in the back. And then it was 9 o'clock, Brian, halfway through. And here came Shaky Nakamura. But before we saw too much him here came LA night yeah

yeah and well and here's another observation the people are still popping for him but it's drooping and it it won't last forever when he comes out and talks big and works with and

loses to middle card guys and he's been working with him for some time now we've been talking about that and he lost the belt to knock And Andrade is still here in a minute in the middle of this thing. Is this dragging him down? Are we at a tipping point here? Because they want to hear his trash talk, but when he says he's going to kick a shit

out of everybody, he never kicks a shit out of anybody. Well, that's the thing. I think we need like an action moment. We need something where he gets in there and does something. So they're not left feeling deflated. It feels like too often he comes out there. still does this good promo but he never comes out

he's starting to not come out of it for the better all these guys that he's working with yes but he's got to do something they got to give him something with action at least in this segment he didn't end up laying flat of his face in the ring on television for an inordinately long period of time

immobile down like a feckless fucking oh I forgot yes he did because L.A. Knight came out and wanted a rematch right now. Yeah. And he put on his sunglasses as the mist blockers, which was very clever. And then as soon as he came to ring, here comes Andrade's music.

And I thought, Christ. And he came out and he wanted Nakamura too. And then suddenly, Tomatanga attacks Andrade and Fatu leveled L.A. night and got heat on both of them and at Solo's direction and then Nakamura started to mist where he was grabbing his throat like he was going to

miss. Oh, that was good. You know, the bloodline, but instead he kind of dribbled and he backed out. That was good. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. It's the two heels coming out. They're not friends, but it was he's there. We got to do something to him.

You know what I'll do. That she was just dripping out there. All right, you can leave on your own. Yes Nakamura got it out LA night got his shit kicked out of him and then solo spiked him and they did the promo you know about the bloodline

getting the bloodline of but it was a long promo and both LA Knight and Andre had to just lay there and I've not only does it make you look like just shit when you have to lay there and nobody's doing anything to you and you're selling and selling when there's a promo going on, even if you got pile driven or damaged in such a way

that it's that serious that you can't get up that long, somebody should have come and got you. And also, I think, in some cases, it lends a visual comedy when you get the wide shot of somebody, even if they're doing a really good serious promo, when a guy's just laying over there, right? And you can see it in the same shot. why can't the medical staff come and grab,

you know, I can understand in some cases you want the challenger standing over the downed champion, holding his belt up and putting it over him and say, yes, that's dramatic, but when it's just going on and on, you need the medical staff to come in, pull the guy away, stick some oxygen on him, stick him on a backboard, whatever you need to do to him while the people are talking to,

give that guy an out to get out of there and not just because people are otherwise thinking well fucking get up and start fighting you fucking pussy so Nakamura got to graceful exit and L.A. Knights laying there flat on his face anyway did you like where Kevin Owens invited Michael Cole out to come and interview him in his car

I thought it was all right What did you think? Again, does the camera only work in his car? This time the premise was he keeps coming to the building and they won't let him in so now he's not even going to try to come in Well, in that case, why couldn't he be in his hotel room on his live telephone fucking video hookup?

Is he driving from town to town in the same car? Well, no, because he made mention because you know he's got to always throw the line in when he kicked coal out and get out of my rental vehicle but anyway he invited him and michael didn't want to go but the tag team title was on the line so they they stayed there for this and i don't know how i felt about this angle coming up because i think they just did it didn't they but nevertheless the motor city machine guns that are now going to wrestle Champa and Johnny Sameface for the tag team title

because somebody beat up the private profits and in the back and we don't know who. And Gargano's friends with the Motor City machine guns from way back, but Champa has been mad at Gargano because

he don't give a fuck that he wants the belts and he's not their friends. Or their friend, plural, whatever the fuck. so that's where we're at so far right so now they're going to have this match and again i like the machine guns and i like champa but it's almost against my religion to watch the garden gnome and you know the tag team division they have just there's talented guys in it but the way that it's been presented for so long it's just so mid-card now but nevertheless what they did

during this was Champa and Gargano would continue to argue with each other on occasion about what they were doing or whether they were playing nice or not. But then the referees with Champa and Gargano out of nowhere, nutshot

Sabin. And Shelley is up on the top rope. He was about to jump off and he's like he jumps down and he goes, why? And he super kicks fucking Shelley. And then Gargano smiles at champa and tags him and they double something

Sabin one two three they're the new champions Gargano turned heel on his friends but he'd been arguing with his partner okay I didn't see this one coming but didn't they just do that with a new day last week yes I mean not the same way but the same thing where they were teasing a long time split and it turned out they both won heel yeah so this was almost

AEW like is like can't you at least you know what is the proper waiting period after a man turns on his you know a fucking opponent before you're allowed to do that again on town I don't know but it was the same fucking week almost the same thing in concept

but now now remember I was saying at least they're going to break up and then you said oh but Champa will be working with Gargano and I'm like oh god now we don't get them to see them broken up, but they're still going to be fucking a team and they're going to be heels. But I'm still going to have to look at fucking same face. And I'm sure when a street profits get up, they're going to want some revenge.

That would have been a good segue to a spot if we had a sponsor that sold revenge. Well, how much left was a smackdown? How much was there left, mister, on this Smackdown? Well, we have to set up the main event here. So Michael Cole and Kevin Owens were in his car in the department. parking lot and Owens has a meltdown he's tired of being told not to come in so he's not going to go with it he calls Cole the number one

Cody Rhodes fanboy and he's bitching about Roman and Cody and he has the meltdown about everybody choose to be Roman's pawns Cody was my friend and he stabbed me in the back and he teamed with Roman and Michael Cole then got the tough love tone in his voice and said it's all you you're the problem you know the way you're taking this you're being so petty you want to oh in that case leave my rental vehicle right now and cole gets out of the car and he rolls the window up on him and he pulls out right so we're Kevin Owens has pulled out of the

parking lot and now we've got the main event is Cody versus Chad Gable and that's a this is honestly I mean they're both professionals Gable's a great worker but Rick Flair versus George South for 15 minutes would have been good too on TBS but they never did that

because Gable's been presented as they tried for a minute to make him serious and he's been back into a goof category but they're so hot now they don't need to do anything else so we got a wonderful match

between Cody and Gable for 15 minutes and Cody won with the crossroads one two three wonderful bump by gable but in the process Cody is selling his ankle it is a Cody again he not only sells with his body sells with his face with the vacant stare sometimes he looks like he's out of it but he's selling his ankle Gable had taken his boot off and ankle locked him and blah blah blah and as he's sitting there he's the victim but he's still down. Owens is in the ring all of a sudden

and he starts getting heat on the ankle. And he's stomping it and he's kicking it. Here come the referees and the agents and they're trying to hold him back. And then Cody gets back up and we get a big fight with them. So basically we get, you know, in this two-hour show about every 30 or 40 minutes

we get a couple minutes. Oh, shit, look at what's going on. And then it settles back down. but that's the way they went off the air. And Cody and Owens for a Saturday night's main event match, I think, is going to do well. And I think people are going to watch it. Now let's hope Jesse Ventura shares his real thoughts. Oh, good Lord.

How old is Jesse Ventura now? He's got to be in his mid-70s. Hold on. Is he still quick, or is father time slowing him up a bit? 73 He's not as older than he's only 10 years older

than me look at the fuck him he's not who he was then 40 years ago but I think he's still relatively quick the problem is is he up to date

on any of the story lines and how much has he been able to really get clout on? No, they'll have some notes for him in a little brief

production prep session just for him I'm sure to me here Jesse here's what we wrote for you to make you

happy and look good but he looks the last time I saw a clip of him he looks fucking old like older than 73 old was that just a bad day well you know he's got a look but uh you know he's 73

he's a governor and he's returning to Saturday night's main event move over Dick Ebersoll it's Cody versus Owens did you see on Twitter somebody tweeted a recent clip of Iggy Pop shirtless on stage age with the captioned Jericho's just got to quit.

Oh, that's not fair. I like Iggy Pop. Don't do that. Oh, boy, but have you seen it? He looks like he's about to pop. How old is he? I don't know. Does medical science know how old Iggy Pop is? Iggy's got to be around Jesse Ventura's age, Iggy. Oh, he's got to be older than that.

77. I was going to say. And having lived a hard life and with no shirt on and can't stand up straight with a pot belly and skinny at the same time. You know what? You're lucky. It's just a shirt. A few years back, it would have still been the pants to it at some point in the show. Ooh.

Well, it may be about time for us now to take a short break. Yeah, raw power. What? All right. All right. The sound of time going by on a bumpy road here. This is your show. Why am I saying anything?

Well, yeah, because you had to time travel and it's starting to take as long for you to play the music as we're traveling through time. I wanted to refresh my notes and get a new sprite, and we time traveled with you. If it's not the way back machine, because we're going forward, is it the way forward machine? Well, in this case, we're going back.

We're going to talk about something in your past. Ah, good segue there, see, because, to give some context to the rest of the show now that we've covered all the TV we're going to cover for today we're going back and we're revisiting a project that we have left sadly limping along here in 2024 we started

and we've got mostly through the middle of March going through my schedule for 40 years ago the first year in Mid-South actually on on the YouTube channel we did this for 1983 and that's up there and these previous mid-south

1984s are up there if you want to catch up on it on the how are they labeled great Brian last Jim Cornett Boers the Listeners Volume 1 through 6 God damn you now bye upon you

I'm trying to be a responsible broadcaster here and not leave the listeners in the dark and you're just I believe it would be Jim Cornett looks at his schedule for instance, October 1983, November

1983, so on and so forth. Jolly Joker. So anyway, people could catch up but we left off at around about WrestleMania time this year. All these stupid crazy things started happening and we've been busy

or these, if we did the Mid-South stuff too, the podcast would be six hours long every week instead of most weeks. But we're going to finish up March here for you because we wanted to talk about some old wrestling. And, again, if you'll recall the last segment that we did,

on March 14th at the Shreveport, Louisiana, Mid-South Wrestling TV tapings, we had shot the angle with Bill Watts for the last stampede. But as you will recall also from hearing these segments earlier, because of the nature of the television show, the way it was bicycled around the territory, we would tape two episodes, two weeks worth of TV on a Wednesday night every other week in the month.

And the first show that we taped that night would air the following Saturday in Shreveport because it was done by the local TV station. But then it would start going around and maybe four or five or six markets like New Orleans and Baton Rouge and that end would get it the following Saturday. And then the next round, maybe up in Mississippi and down in southern Louisiana, Lafayette and Lake Charles, they would get it the next week.

And it would be in Houston pretty quick too, usually about like with New Orleans. And it would take five weeks to get all the way to Oklahoma City, Tulsa, and Little Rock, Arkansas. So for the remainder of the last half of March, even though we had shot the angle with Watts, most people had not seen it on television yet, only the live crowd that was at the boys club. So we were still finishing up other business,

and also we were starting to stick our toe into water with the Rocker Roll Express. Because that was the program that Dundee was looking forward to after the last stampede, which was going to be one main event match in each regular town in the

territory. But we were working every night of the week, so we had to have opponents in the other towns and after the last stampede. Have I set the scene for that fairly succinctly and clearly

Brian? You have, I guess my only question would be if Bill Watts, because I think you said in the past Bill Watts kind of thought after the last stampede he would have to finish you up because he got all your heat and yes. So when did he you know, when did he know that wasn't the case, I guess?

Well, see, Dundee was booking. If Dundee was booking you guys in a rock and roll in advance. But, and here's the thing, Watts wanted the Rocker Roll Express to get over. So, you know, the brilliance of the way that it was done with the angle involved the Rocker Roll Express

and then people kind of even though they didn't lose track of it but they were directed in another direction immediately by the thing with Watts following it up and people may have seen the clip on Twitter or whatever or you know watching back in the old days but we win the Mid-South tag team title from Wrestling 2 and Magnum TA

the very next day on television we have the celebratory party with the cake and the party hats where the Rock and Roll Express come out and smash my face in a cake and the people went crazy and if we left it there then that would have demanded

that we start working with the Rock and Roll Express immediately and that's what people have been focused on right? But then in the same program Bill Watts decides it was so funny because Ricky and Robert finally humiliated and embarrassed that fucking wimp that I want to show it again. And they showed it again, the replay. And then I come out and cut to promo on Watts. And I've still got the cake all over me and a fucking red face.

And that's where I put my finger at his face and that's where he slapped me into the stratosphere. And my head looked like Linda Blair and the Exorcist. and now, holy shit! What's going to happen next? Well, what happened the following week was they showed a pre-tape where Watts had been interviewing Butch Reed

when suddenly I came out to interrupt it and the Midd not Express jumped Watts from behind with a blackjack and busted him open and left him laying there we kicked a shit out of him. And now that's when Watts announced that he was going to come out of retirement

one time and one time only the last stamped so that the immediacy of that took precedence over the Rock Roll Express but the people still wanted to see the midnight in the Rock Roll.

Watts believed that he would take all the heat off of us and you know then I'm sure he would have said okay Dundee go ahead and have the Rocker Roll Express beat to Midnight Express or whatever, but Dundee knew that we could pick up after that deal

because Bobby and Dennis were the kind of heels that could get beat and then I could get on TV and talk their heat back. So he had confidence that we were going to go along as normal as he thought. So that's why he did it that way, so we had two programs, one for the last stampede

and one to start the, deal with the rock roll in midnight, which made perfect sense. And if Dream Machine hadn't been hurt, how would that have changed things? Well, as you will see in a couple of these matches, because we're coming up on that point also, Dundee had high hopes that the Bruise brothers were going to get over as big baby faces in that territory. And that way, as Mid-South Tag Team champions, we could could have worked with the Rocker Roll Express and the Bruce Brothers because also there was still

they had kind of promised and remember they would go the Rocker Roll Express would come back to Memphis they weren't going for the rest of their lives right and they finally had to give them back in what was it July we did something where it was the 90 day deal so he was building teams but you'll see it a couple of these results

even though we had just shot the angle with Watts and with the rocker roll and we were the tag team champions the first time that we worked in a couple of these towns with Porkchop and Troy before he got hurt we didn't beat them they did DQs or whatever the fuck right so it wasn't like he was just bringing him down for shots

from Memphis he was going to bring them in but anyway would you like to oh open the book and see what was going on. Yes. And, yeah, that was the most enthusiastic yes I've ever heard. I need you to beg. No.

We also, we got to remind the kids that a dollar in 1984 is $3 today, right, on the inflation calculator. That was the mathematics that we were doing, correct? Because that way, if we did... Except in comic books, yes. well no comic books appreciated a much greater that's right you know percentage yes one dollar then ain't three dollars today one dollar then is like ten dollars today yes because comic books are valuable whereas actual money currency just you know limps along but anyhow uh we finished up with sunday night march

18th on our last segment of this and where do you go in Mid-South wrestling in 1984 on a Monday but back to New Orleans but this time we were at the Lakefront Arena and was that the was that the first

time at the Lakefront Arena I thought it was later in the year but son of a gun we only did $14,400 and I think since it was a regular house show remember again fans, tickets were like 10, 7, and 4, dollars, that is. So that was probably about 2,000 people.

And how many of the regulars from downtown were actually there at the Lakefront? Oh, they were, it was almost a completely different crowd, but you had, you know, diehard fans that would be, you know, wherever. But almost a completely different crowd from the downtown out of the, in the Lakefront Arena, which as I've mentioned before, is almost a completely democratic except for the diehards that when they would go out to the St. Bernard Civic Center. It was weird about New Orleans that you had, and then everybody would go to the Superdome. That was what they could all agree on, but you had, it depended on a neighborhood you were in.

And then when the dog left, then that kind of put to nail in the downtown auditoriums coffin because it was you know it was just it was dreary at the end there the downtown auditorium because it was so old and it the curtain they had down the middle of the arena

geez you could smell the mildew 20 feet away right when they would we've talked about those old auditoriums the keel auditorium was like that and Ellis Auditorium in Memphis they had a curtain that you could cut the building in half or you could open it up

for the big concerts and the big political rallies and shit they had. But after a while those fucking curtains, when they were never taken down for years and years and all the sweat of the boxing and the wrestling and the fucking people screaming for Elvis and the humidity in those buildings, it was like hanging a wet kitchen sponge, a hundred feet tall and a hundred feet wide in front of your nose. Anyway, we had a match

went to Rock and Roll Express, not for the tag team title, just one of those feelers out with the hadn't even seen the cake angle yet. But since New Orleans was a weekly town, and he said, all right, let's see how they buy this. And we did a fucking match where they slipped over, one, two, three, and then we kicked a shit out of them afterwards and left them laying in a ring. So nothing was settled. and then the following day

Tuesday, March 20th, we were in Beaumont, Texas. This was scheduled to be Magnum, T.A. and Wrestling 2 no disqualification and a loser gets lashes. But because two had walked out on T.A. the previous week, that's one that Watts would do the same

matches in a lot of towns. You know, obviously there's only so much many matches you can put together when the TV points to, we want to see this guy against this guy, you know, okay, but he wouldn't do turns or title changes more than once in the territory. In Memphis, they did it in each town, right? Oh, yes. And I mean, before the internet and the TV markets didn't really overlap, you know,

you could kind of get away with it, but, and if why would, say, I know, I know. it's hard for today's fans to get this, but if the average wrestling fan in Louisville, Kentucky knew that he could go downtown to the Louisville Gardens on Tuesday night every week of the year and see the matches,

even if he knew they might be wrestling in Evansville every Wednesday night, he didn't give a shit to go. It's a hundred fucking miles, right? Who knows what happens in fucking Evansville? That type of thing. But a lot of places, would do it, but Watts wouldn't do that because, you know, people are going to figure it out, and he was too much of a stickler. So anyway, this night we had Magnum and I didn't write down

who, but we beat him. The house was $9,600. We got paid $120. Have I mentioned that I hated Beaumont, Texas? He never drew a house in Beaumont. You gave it a nickname yesterday off air when we were talking about. Bloss, not Texas. Every time we'd get it. in the car. Here we go to Blow Snott. I don't know what, it was the Beaumont Civic Center, nice building. It seemed to be a relatively nice town,

not that big, 60 miles from Houston or whatever. And Houston would be doing, God, the biggest business in the territory. And you go to Beaumont, you'd have, again, $9,600 was probably $1,14,400 fucking people. And those, bleh.

Because then we had to go 160 miles back to Alexander. Now, New Orleans, by the way, I forgot the travel details. New Orleans, as we know, 400-mile round trip from Alexandria. So 400-mile round trip on a lot of two-lane road, plus work in the main event match. You're in late. Following day, we go to Beaumont.

That's 160 miles, a lot of two-lane. and back. So we were back at fucking 12.30, 1 o'clock in the morning. I got to get up and be in the car by 645 to go to Shreveport, 130 miles of Tulane to do the local promos at Channel 3 that we did every Wednesday morning from, well, every Wednesday from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. So you drove yourself because the other guys didn't have to go?

Yes. So it was a quick turnaround. And then, you know, and I'm trying not to go to sleep and trying to think of all the fucking things I can say on promos while I'm in the car on the way to fucking Shreveport from 645 to fucking 845 in the morning.

And that was actually cutting it close, to be honest with you. So then, at least that night, we had a Shreveport house show. and that way we could you know take a couple hours in between promos and the show to you know go get a pizza or fucking something right some element of mental decompression

and then we're at the Shreveport Memorial Auditorium and now they the Shreveport area knows because we did the TV the previous week that the Rock and Roll experience has smashed my face in a cake, but they haven't, I think, wait a minute, yes, they would have just seen Watts slapped me too. So we wrestled to Rocker Roll Express,

and this time it was a non-title match, but we fucked them because Buddy Landell ran in when there was a big four-way going on. The referee was distracted, and he ran Rigging Morton into the ring post, and then Bobby pinned him. And where the fuck did Buddy Landel come in?

to this you say well as they say on the Iron Chef if memory serves the next time in Shreveport we were going to have

the big match with Watts and the Rock and Roll Express was going to need somebody to work with so they were

going to be working with Buddy Landell and I can't remember who the fuck else maybe we'll see it here later on point being he did something

to necessitate that match because we were going to be busy and that's the kind of thing it would add extra meaning to the matches but it would make sense if the rock and roll was wrestling this fucking guy later on

you see what I'm saying yeah so for that first little drive run with the rock roll we did $11,100 which was up for Shreveport as I mentioned the old building Elvis fucking played there and we made $150

which would be $450 today on a $33,000 house. It wasn't great, but it was coming along. And then after Shreveport, by the time we got back to Alex, it would have been about 1 o'clock in the morning. So we could sleep all the way until, oh, noon or so before we had to get in the fucking car and go to Biloxi, Mississippi on March 22nd. Again, 250 fucking miles in the opposite direction. Go ahead.

Were you always able to sleep when you needed to? Or were there are times where it's like, God damn, I need sleep, but I'm so amped up for whatever it is, that you couldn't get to sleep? No. Well, here's the thing. Because it sounds like sleep was, for the entire run of your stay in Mid-South Wrestling, sleep was a luxury.

Well, here was the, my issue was the early morning, instead of the late nights because since I had, even when I was a kid, my mom, it drove her crazy because if I could draw my own schedule, I'd be up all night and sleep all day. She said, for the time I was a baby. And being in the business around the business, the photographer going to the towns and the shows, etc.,

I had developed a natural pattern where I could stay up until 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning and be productive, but then I needed to say, sleep as late as I could till I needed to do something you know that I'm talking you know 11 noon whatever eight hours six hours whatever I needed the right amount of sleep but I was already

kind of programmed for the wrestling business so my deal with Bobby and Dennis at the start was it since they both wanted to drink after the show and I was fucking not only was that naturally up at night but now I've had people literally trying to fuck kill me, right?

And also we've had a fucking show, and was the town good, or was the match good, or was it bad? We got to talk about it, right? So, yes, I'll drive back from Tulsa and get in at daylight. You guys sit in the back and drink. But during the day, I swear they had to drive me, because if I'd meet them at noon, I was fucking bleary out and I was in the backseat with a 20-piece nugget from KFC or something and would often sleep on the way to like Houston or Biloxi while Bobby or Dennis drove

because I didn't really come around until we got to the fucking show. Were they both okay with daytime driving? Or did one of them want to drive at night? No, they like that better. And then yes, Corny, you can drive through the goddamn down the Indian Nation turnpike in Oklahoma at 4 o'clock in fucking morning. We'll drink beer and eat ribs. So it worked out, you know, and again, except when poor blessing, Buddy Landell was in the mix and threw everything off because we gradually, we at different times realized that we could not risk our life and safety by riding in a car with him.

And then I would be off on my own doing the TV promo segments and et cetera anyway. So there was sometimes that, you know, what was the question? I don't know what the answer was. well there you go you prove my point see it's only information like that you get on a show like this oh we were going to Biloxi weren't we

I think it was March 20th 21st March 22nd 22nd yes a red letter day in Biloxi Mississippi and remember I've said the Gulf Coast Coliseum that huge fucking building I mean the WWF ran a paper view

there in God, some fucking time. I think it was 96, 97. But it didn't do that well for wrestling no matter what. I mean, as we'll see later on, even the last stampede was not a, you know, a fucking huge crowd in that giant building. And they would only use half of it. And it was dark.

And we had riots there because it was in pitch black. It was like trying to get past people that were trying to knife you in a crowded fucking dark theater. But we had another trial match with, not trout match, but a little testing the waters match with the Rocker Roll Express and Buddy Landell came in.

It's the same thing as we did the previous night fucking 400 miles away. And we won the match, but now that set the Rocker Roll up for Buddy and etc. But we did $21,000 which wasn't bad

for Biloxi I would say that would be going on 27,000, 2,800 people which was not bad for Biloxi and then we had to go all the way fucking back home 250 miles much of it too lane to get back and I swear to God we get back from Biloxi at 3 o'clock in the morning and then on the next day Friday March 23rd

they had booked Houston, Texas, so we were going to go 250 miles in the exact opposite direction, much of it, Tulane. So for Houston, you would have to leave counting the traffic and etc. If you want to get something to eat by 130,

so we were out of the car about, what, 10 hours? And we're traveling the same distance in the opposite direction. And though, that's what the question you asked was, I always could I sleep when I wanted? And we got started talking about the travel schedule. Yeah, like you said you slept till noon.

Even when I'd like to sleep late, I can't. I'm wired to wake up early. So even when I'm really tired, I'm like, oh, I'd like to sleep till noon, maybe I'll get to 9 a.m. and then I'll wake up. So in mid-south, you'd ever have that happen? No, see, in my younger days, I could sleep until I set the goddamn alarm. Once I went to sleep, I was not going to, be woken up in some case.

The telephone, goddamn sleep through fucking, I slept through fire alarms in hotels. But that's always carried a portable alarm clock with me because if I went to sleep in a hotel room, I was going to be in, and I couldn't count on wake up calls, that Seinfeld rib, right? So I always had a clock with me

because I would sleep through any fucking thing. And at this point in my, life through this whole year I was always so tired that I never had a problem falling asleep if I had the opportunity but getting up would be that that's why in in at one point in Charlotte it was worse when we were doing the promos you know with the Crockett office and Jean Anderson was the one to call you at your house because there were no cell phones if you weren't there at nine o'clock and god damn it we'd always been done a TV taping it the night before and I would

be asleep until fucking three o'clock. And just by having to do TV and then get in and then eat and read the mail, right? And then in Charlotte traffic to be in the car at 8.15 or whatever. I was always late to interviews, but he couldn't he couldn't disprove that I wasn't there, right? Because there was no cell phone. He'd call a house and my wife would say, oh, he left some time ago. And I said traffic. but yeah you know my sleep schedule and now I'm like you in my old age and that for the first time in my life over the past few years as I've said I've actually had a normal schedule I wake up every morning at seven o'clock you know give or take an hour and I'm in bed at you know nine mom I'm going to bed that type of thing and and I sleep even better than I did then because I was always in

You were binge sleep. I was binge sleeping or binge eating or whatever because, you know, for years, there was no time to do anything else. You're doing this shit, right? But anyway, that's where we left off as we were going to Houston. And folks, if you want to follow along geographically with this, just to get an eye. And even now the atlases, we're talking, 40 years ago, there were no north and south interstates,

but get a map on your Google machine and just look geographically, no matter how the highways are, at the states of Louisiana, Mississippi, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and then the metropolitan area of Houston, Texas, that it joins Louisiana. And Bixby, Oklahoma, where Bill Watts was sitting on his fat ass while moving that pencil around there, Mr. Promoter. While everybody was bouncing back and forth like a goddamn pinball machine ball,

so we go to Houston and here's an interesting booking and talent thing. And also we've talked in previous segments that we've done on stuff like this, Brian, when did we know that we were going to really get over? when did I get confident with this we had been to Houston two weeks previously on March the 9th Midnight Express had been in the main event against wrestling two and Magnum TA the title and mask versus the

you know fucking blah blah blah and that was the hot angle on TV and as I mean we did $54,000 at the gate and we made 600 bucks apiece so that's like 150 something gray 160 grand and 18 in today's money. But then we come back to, and also that night, we had done a run-in on the match that Gordman and Goliath had

with Hector Guerrero and Elbracerro Jose Martinez. And then we come back two weeks later. But now we're not in the main event. See, this Houston show was the last one before they were coming back with the big last. stampede main event on a Sunday. And so Dundee booked

the Rock and Roll Express and Terry Taylor the top baby faces against Butch Reed, Crusher Crucev, Crusher Darso. Crusher Darso would become Crusher Crucev that would later on become a member of our beloved friends the demolition team. Thank you.

And Nikolai Volkov. So that was the main event and then Magnum TA was against Mr. Wrestling 2 and their grudge from the breakup of their team that had just aired on TV that, you know, the previous weekend. And we were in a mid-card match with Hector Guerrero and El Brousero off of that issue. And there were four, you know, preliminary matches. The house was 43 grand. It went down when they took us out of of the main event. And so, and, you know, we beat Hector and Rosero,

because obviously we're coming back with the big last stampede show. But Dennis made the point to us, to me and Bobby, they're going to notice this too. The houses were up in Houston until they take the Midnight Express out of the main event. And son of a bitch, that's kind of way they thought back then, and we were to find that out. But that's what guys don't understand.

They would go by, oh, my God, we had a great match. Well, we wanted to have good matches and tear the house down with these people so that the fans would buy more tickets and come back and see us do it again. But the object was, the sole object was not to have a good match if the business wasn't coming up or we weren't kind of being able to be figured as being responsible for it. Does that make sense? It does. and a lot has been said over the years

about the Rock and Roll Express you know, being red hot in Houston but because you guys are heels no one looks at it the same way but all that footage is out there of you guys in 84, a lot of it without commentary. So it's just the fan reaction

and it takes two to tango. You guys had so much heat that definitely helped the Rock and Roll Express. Ricky Morton had just been there. It wasn't like the Rock and Roll. I mean, they as a concept of brand new. That's one of the things I always find amazing. a year and a half earlier,

Ricky Morton's in the main event against like Nick Bockwinkle in Houston. And it was almost like a whole brand new thing, but... And when we should mention that's when Paul Bosch was getting talent from the San Antonio office and Joe Blanchard and Ricky was working there. Teaming with Ken Lucas. Teaming with Ken Lucas.

And then by now, Bosch had gone with Watts and Houston had become part of the Mid-South territory. but Ricky and Ricky had gone from San Antonio back to Memphis where they had teamed him up with Robert and that's where the rocker roller got started and then now Ricky had never worked the Mid-South territory but he had been to Houston when it was part of a different company. We don't want to lose people.

But yes, you make a good point and Houston was a really strong, classic old school. wrestling town because of Paul Bosch, like a St. Louis with Sam Muchnick, a promoter who had been there and preserved the integrity of the business, people

didn't believe his company was horseshit. They, he didn't have no shows, he didn't false advertise, he didn't lie to people on television. It was a straight era place. And the fans reacted to shit because you had to work in the ring and you, and you could

actually have a better match in Houston. If you had the same match in some of the other towns, because the fans understood so much more about the subtleties of wrestling from the old days. You could work the fucking arm and do the heel shit behind the referees back, and they were clawing to come over the rail. And then in comes the Midnight Express, you know, taking the fucking bumps when it's time, but getting the fucking heat

and me mouthing off when they'd been used to you know nobody they may have hated Gary Hart and Skandor Akbar but not a lot of them thought they could fucking take them these people are well we can kill him if we just get our hands on him we can kill him

they probably wouldn't even arrest us for it so it Houston was fucking tremendous great crowd to work for anyway on that night it was a great $43,000 house to work for it. We got $350 because we weren't in the main event like we were the previous two weeks ago when we had got $600 or whatever, but we made a little point there that need to put us back on top.

So we'll see what happens next time. And then Saturday, March 24th, this is so what we've been doing, literally is traveling in an X pattern all week. On Monday, we left our home base of Alexandria and we went southeast to New Orleans and then back northeast back to Alexandria. Then, on Tuesday, we went southwest to Beaumont and southeast back to Alexandria. then on Wednesday to Shreveport we went northwest and back to God damn Alexandria north of no south west southeast and then on Thursday we went southeast further in the same

fucking way we just to New Orleans and past that to Biloxi and then back the same way we came and then back Houston goes through Beaumont to get to Houston and then we went back home and then Saturday we went back to Baton Rouge which you have to go to Baton Rouge to get to New Orleans you have to go to Baton Rouge to get to Biloxi do you see what I'm saying here?

Yeah. It would drive you out of your fucking mind and we wrestled I'm sorry Did anyone ever bring up anything to watch just Is there any way? I mean I don't even know who could have on it. Is there any way we could change the schedule around, move some days around so that this is a little better on the wrestlers, a little easier on them?

Well, you couldn't move the schedule around because a lot of these towns, you had to run them on specific days and times they had found to be, you know, I mean, some of them, they bounced around on different days, but the major towns at Houston on Friday night or a Sunday afternoon for major shows, that type of thing. What he could have instituted was a way that everybody only had to work

five fucking days somehow, right? Instead of seven and double shots on Sunday and some Saturdays. That would have preserved some more people's sanity. But especially when the territory got hot, you were like, not only did he expect all the talent

to work every goddamn show, but you were like, fuck, you know, I'm making so much money. I don't want to ask for time off. And remember I've said before and we'll get there later on this year, we finally cracked. I think it's by August or September. We said, we got to, please. We asked Dundee, please just give us some days off. We just, we can't.

Remember I had 103 day fucking in a row streak? And we said, please give us days off. And we got Oklahoma City off and Tulsa off and Houston off, the big payoffs. And we were still in fucking, you know, hoo-ha, Arkansas. So we stopped asking for days off. But we were back in Baton Rouge on Saturday, March 24th, where we wrestled the Rocker Roll Express in the main event, and Bat Rouge was up $22,000, which wasn't bad.

Again, really no, I think they've seen the cake in my face now, right? So Big Whop, a lot of stuff yet to come. but again there's life in it and we're being put on top positions and the houses are either up or better or whatever the case but then this is one of the early times brian before we figured out and god damn it we ended up spending a long a lot longer away from home and going through a lot more bullshit to do it we stayed in baton rouge and bought a plane ticket and flew to the Oklahoma towns the next day. And how much was it? Well, the plane ticket was $145.

How much was the payday? Well, no, hold on here a second. That was the only time, because I've got down here, airplane ticket, 145, but wait a minute, is that just the two? Because then, oh, the return, the return, I was, broke it up. Well, the point being, I've explained this before. But what would happen, Oklahoma City and Tulsa,

were the only towns in Oklahoma that Watts really ran. They're the only towns in Oklahoma 40 years ago, practically except some that border on Texas that Fritz was running. And it was a long way from everything else. And so he would give you a trans allowance on your check. You'd get $125 extra. if you were booked in Oklahoma and get there however you fucking want, right? So a lot of the guys would, you know, three and four guys at a car paying trance,

which is what guys used to do in the business in every territory. If it was five cents a mile when I got started, if you rode with a guy in his car, he drove his car, he got to gas and everything, and you rode with him for 200 miles you'd give him 10 bucks 5 cents a mile right and is that the math I haven't done it in 40 years

I trust your math everybody was 5 cents a mile for however long you were in the car with the fucking guy and it became 10 cents but that way if a guy took three people in his car and it was a fairly long trip

he might make as much money on trans as he did on his fucking payoff, right? But me and Bobby and Dennis were mostly splitting it and the aforementioned Buddy Landell. And, but it was so long, they said, some of the guys said, oh, fly, fly. Well, then that opened up a whole other can of peas because the plane ticket would be 200 and something,

almost $300. But you only got the $125 trans. But you saved the long trip. but Baton Rouge was the closest town to Alexandria that had legitimate jet service we're talking from Alexandria it was prop jet commuter plane American Eagle fucking bullshit right

and then you had to you had to go to Baton Rouge which we were there for the show but otherwise you'd have to drive there and stay over and then fly out the first thing in the morning then you got to rent a car or have somebody fucking drive you, pick you up or whatever at the other side. Then you're at the mercy. Watts had a guy that he would rent a heel van and a baby face van for the Oklahoma City and Tulsa trip. And the heels, if they wanted to, could ride in the heel van, baby face, obviously baby face van.

But nobody could drive. He had designated, he'd hired these drivers. and this motherfucker I can't remember his name and it's not that he was a fucking bad human being but I hated him

but I hated him we despised him because here's the thing from Oklahoma City the Myriad show in the afternoon to the Tulsa show that night it's 100

110 miles whatever was from building to building. And Oklahoma City started at 2 o'clock the show would be over at 4.4.30. Tulsa would start at 7.30.

You're supposed to be in a locker room at 6.30. It's a two-hour fucking drive. So you see, time is of the essence. So if you had your own car or if you'd driven, you could get out early if you were on the undercard

and you could maybe stop and get something. to eat along the way, or at least you could goddamn hurry up and get to where you were going, whatever, you had some freedom. But if you had to ride in a van with this fucking guy driving, they stopped at a loves travel store, and this was when the only loves travel stores in the world, I think, were in Oklahoma. Now they're everywhere.

But you get the fucking deli sandwiches and goddamn some microwave shit and some soft drinks and chips, and hop back in the fucking van. And I swear to God, I don't know if there's much difference in the scenery between Oak City and Tulsa as there is in the fucking Mojave Desert.

There ain't nothing in between those two towns and this four-lane highway and here the motherfucker drove 55. The speed limit was 55. I don't know why. You couldn't a goddamn them if you were in a rocket car

you couldn't have hit a living creature if you'd gone out of control and he would not we offered to give him money and can you imagine me, Bobby Eaton, Dennis Convery, Hacksaw, Butch Reed Nikolai Volkov,

Crusher Crucev, Ernie fucking Ladd Fugett Hercules Hernandez at various times these fucking heels in his van wanted to kill us motherfucker he's going 55 we had guys in the van

that could fucking jog alongside and beat us and it wouldn't fucking go any faster so we ended up

started not having to we just didn't change you know most everybody from put sweats over the tights and just

so we could have more time to get a sandwich am I boring you not at all I mean well I mean he was boring us

and think about the sandwich talk maybe maybe the sandwich talk. But we're all in this fucking van and it's a goddamn rental van or whatever, it's got an AM-FM radio with speakers in the fucking front of it.

There are no cell phones. There's no fucking internet. There's no goddamn portable television. We're talking to each other or bless it, Butch Reed would sit in the back so he could somehow insert cocaine into regular

cigarettes and fucking blow it out the window. And I'm sure this fucking 55-year-old Oklahoma farmer driving had no idea what he was doing. But Ernie Ladd was on the fucking next seat to him one time. And he was during Ernie's religious phase, much after the shaft days we're over with. And Ernie had his fucking collar of his shirt up over his nose so he wouldn't inhale any secondhand substances. But anyway, so we're going to Oklahoma. On Sunday, March 25th, Brian,

and I know you will find us hard to believe, but it's just like I said, we did the Oklahoma City show at 2 o'clock at the myriad against the Bruce Brothers and then the Tulsa show that night against the Bruce Brothers again. But the House, houses, Oklahoma City was $49,000.

That sounds great, except we'll see it had a ton of potential. And Tulsa was $31,000. So the company grossed $80,000 in today's money, that would be $240,000 on one Sunday on ticket sales alone. And they said the territory wrestling wasn't profitable. And we made for the two matches, $3.25.50, $5.75.6.75. For the two matches that are on the card, not the main events, and the trans allowance, $650, which would account for 1950 in today's money.

But here's the fun part. We were going to talk about the Bruce Brothers a minute ago. here's the card for Oklahoma City so you could get an idea again this was the in-between before the midnight and the last stampede with Watts and the rock-a-roll midnight program starts and you know we had already finished up with magnum and wrestling too and had done well up there so there's some preliminaries

El Bracero beat John King Lanny Pafo beat Jerry Gray Terry Gordy beat George Wingeroff could in Oklahoma remember Fritz had a small interest because his television was on up there Watts would book

world class talent on a fairly regular basis on the cards and then our match with the Bruce brothers and Poor Chop and Dream Machine they beat us by disqualification and that was the the thing is that there's no way that if Dundee didn't plan to use them prominently

and didn't plan to bring them back regularly we're just going into a series of main events with the owner of the fucking company and we've already shot an angle with the team that he knows is going to be the top baby face tag team and this is one of the biggest grossing towns in the territory

wouldn't we just beat those guys, right? You would think? So you can reflect on it now and say, holy shit, he was going to do something. And the response they got, especially down in New Orleans, but on these towns also and Houston, if they'd only had a chance, right? I just hate that Troy got hurt right then,

and that was the end of that, and he never really got another opportunity. What did you think of that music video they had that they made in Memphis of them, like walking into the pool hall and what was? Yes, no, it was great. It was great because it was, I'm a soul man, which was hot because of the Blues Brothers movie, but also Sam and Dave, Memphis, it was, it didn't hot originally, right?

Stacks records. And the, Jimmy Hart helped them. They took Randy West with the camera and they went around to a lot of, the places in Memphis that, you know, were recognized as part of that fucking scene. And I was educated at Woodstock. They're out in front of Woodstock High School or whatever the fuck. And it clicked. But that was also, they were heels at the time, but they started, people started liking them.

And that's what Dundee saw and wanted to bring to Mid-South. But there was an uproar because when they walked into one of the bars, dreams got the fucking sunglasses on and he puts the glasses down on the end of his nose and he looks over the top of him at this and let's face she was kind of a plain, ordinary African-American young lady, right? About 20 years old or whatever.

He looks over the top of the glasses and puts his hand on the back of her head and gives her a big kiss. I'm a soul, man. And people called Channel 5 and complained about that. Wow, really? In 1983, 1984, we did that. Wow. Well, remember it was 1980 fucking three, no, late 82, when Adrian Street caused him to call because he kissed a black man,

Ira Reese, the kiss finished, he jumped up in his arms and kissed him, and Ira Reese, well, what the fuck, and he rolled him up and pinned him. And they called, this is a black man kissing a black man on TV. Anyway, back to Oklahoma City. So yes, us and the Bruce Brothers and a co-feature Jimmy Garvin beat Chris Adams a world-class match from Dallas.

Did the Dallas guys like being sent to work for Watts or did they not like fucking with their pretty easy schedule in Dallas? Well, no, because it was easier for them to live in Dallas and make Oak City and Tulsa than it was for us. Dallas straight up to it was 210 miles to Oklahoma City

all interstate it took three and a half hours it took us three and a half hours from where we lived just to get past Shreveport on the way to Dallas so and also as we would find out a year later when we were in Dallas and would work shots at mid-south we would make as much money on a day in Oak City in Tulsa as we did

through four days in Dallas who Watts's payoffs were better we were higher on the card if the show in Oak City Tulsa was a worse payoff because he took the office expenses Tulsa was next to Bickby but if if your Oklahoma City payoff during the times that we worked there would have been better than any payoff you would make except if you were

featured in Dallas at one of the big shows or the main event on a Sportatorium. And maybe even then, if it didn't draw a hell of a house. So I can't imagine they didn't like it. And I have a little sympathy for them with the schedule they were working

otherwise if they didn't like it. And then Terry Taylor, Rock and Roll Express beat Buddy Landell, Nikolai Volkov, and Crusher Darso. So, buddy's being worked in because he just got there from Memphis, but he's being worked in as the weasley heel-stooge to later on for Butch Reed,

but the guy that will come in and cause trouble and that way that's gotten him involved with these top baby faces. So that was the week, and we ended up, I didn't count the goddamn miles, but we cheated and flew, but we made $1,125 that week for, working one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight matches at a six-hour set of interviews, but that's the equivalent of almost $6,000 in today's money. And I've been to business a year and a half, and I'm still happy to be there and lucky to be

there at this point, right? Well, this is the end of what we're going to talk about here today and almost the end of a month. What are you thinking at that time? Are you thinking I have months left here in Mid-South? Are you guys thinking we better start looking for another place to go? I mean, any thoughts about your future at this point? No, because, well, I was, I've always had thoughts about my future at this point, but no, Dennis is telling me and Bobby, and also Dundee is fairly confident in what's going on. And we see, we've got to Rock and Roll Express. Here come the Bruce brothers. We could do business with them. We've just shot this angle with Watts. We haven't even

had these matches yet. And we had, we knew that that was a big deal that we're working with the owner of the company, but we had no idea even yet that we were going to draw record houses. And that's, that's the thing. You know, a lot of people say, well, in my career, I can point to one specific thing. Well, you can when you look back, right? But at the time, you don't know when you do something, you know if it got over, if it got a reaction, if people are in or out of the business

saying, wow, whatever, but you don't know that that's going to be a turning point in your life until you've had the life turn as a result of that and look back on it, right? But when we did that angle with Bill Watts, we went from, we had already had good matches

and prove we could get over and draw some houses with wrestling two and Magnum, and we'd have been a good territory team and I bet off of that we could have got booked in Kansas City or maybe at some point, you know, Crockett would have seen us anyway and they might have wanted us underneath at the first to start out. But by the time we did this deal with Watts,

from that point on, whether Flair and Dusty had come in and seen us or not, we could start picking spots to go because nobody was doing that kind of fucking business at a territory that size that I say nobody I'm talking nobody that you had never fucking heard of right people had overall never heard of us but when the last stampede

there were nine sellouts there were 11 record gates there we the second biggest dome we missed it by six grand they sold over 100,000 tickets there were 16 of the last stampede dates but over the whole five-week period because he ran every other night of the week

that territory grossed $1.2 million in ticket sales when the tickets were 15, 12, 10, 7, and 4 and that for a territory even that size to do that kind of gross it was the biggest month in business Bill Watts ever had after that we and now we got the rock and roll to work with we're like okay

now we started getting a little goddamn picky when over the summertime the rocker roll was gone and they brought in this team or that team or you remember when they tried to have Master G it replaced junkyard dog

and there's a match out there with him and Brickhouse Brown against the Midnight Express and God damn we started to get hot like hey y'all are booking us against these fucking morons are going to fuck up a good thing here so we weren't to that point yet in our confidence but we saw it you know it's starting to work

but right then in between the the angle on TV and the well we knew the first night the first one it was in Shreveport April 3rd with Watts and we knew there when it was an all-time fucking record gate in the building that he'd been running for years. Okay, we looked like we're good.

But then as it got bigger, we were fine from there, but now we didn't have any idea that this was going to make our career. From then on, we could do what we wanted to do. But that's old time wrestling. You can't do that anymore. You got to have the right fucking talent agent with the endeavor agency or what's their talent now the paradigm people IMG?

IMG and that well no they're signing with some particular arm of a talent agency to represent them in the movies now all the boys and girls up there oh yeah yeah I know what you're talking about yeah whoever they are I think Harold HECuba I think he wants to do some some business with some of the talent

anyway we've done some business here but what we're going to do is next week on the experience after we finish with the rest of the fall to roll, we're going to finish the last week of the month of March and get ready to talk about the last stampede, maybe sometime after the new year where we get a chance to. Because I don't know if I've mentioned to you, Brian, or the fans, how much I'm enjoying the idea of our little holiday break

that we take every year. For like for 10 days, we don't have fucking talk about, shit that we have to watch every goddamn day. We get a little break to recharge our batteries and think of new and exciting topics to discuss here on the program. Everything's going to be the same. I don't know what new and exciting topics you're going to be thinking about over your 10-day break.

Well, then I'll just get the enthusiasm to talk about the same old shit. How about that? If it's going to be the same stupid people doing the same stupid things, then that's fine, but I'll have more enthusiasm if I stop talking about it for about 10 days or so. I have a new concept, fish wrestling. Let's talk about it here on the show. I have a new concept. Fuck them and feed them fish heads.

How's that? That sounds like a hell of a way to end the show. Who was? God damn it was it? I'm trying to, it wasn't Bobby. But somebody called and had an announcement at the DFW. airport would because that was Dennis Condry's

favorite expression. Fuck them and feed them fish heads, right? So somebody I can't remember who had a goddamn when you used to, at the airport you could call and they'd page people, right? Or they'd make an announcement

for just a pat, I'm looking for my son Ben at gate 14 or whatever. So you had Mr. Eaton, would you pick up your order of fish heads at gate 42? Mr. Eaton, order of gate fish heads at order of fish heads at gate 42.

You had to be there, I guess. All right, well, this is your show. Have you ever gotten a fucking large order of fish heads at gate 42? No, I can't even believe that someone will make that announcement. It would just seem to be preposterous. Well, okay. I've told you about this. I heard this one too.

Uh-oh. When, no, when before all of the security. things happened when you could just fly under a plane ticket that you just booked under a goddamn gimmick name or you could give them away. Crocket, the office, if they bought a ticket for somebody, that person wasn't going to the show, they'd give it to somebody else. I flew one time as Oly Anderson to Baltimore. Just handed it to, they didn't check, right?

They made out Barbarians tickets under the name Barbarian slash A. instead of like Smith slash John Barbarian slash A So when they had a gate change They had to inform passengers of I heard them A page is a barbarian At gate 10 is a barbarian

At gate 10 And this was the kind of airport security That we had in the 1980s Ladies and gentlemen Oh fuck what time we're at the Huntington, West Virginia airport. And like after a show at Civic Center, we're waiting on the last flight to Charlotte.

Sounds like a monkey song. It's 10 o'clock. It's going to leave at 10, 20 or whatever. There's six people in his place. And the gate agent turned around and walked away. All the doors were open to the freeway. They hadn't done anything yet. And Stan, because we had been joking about this job.

giant metropolitan airport we were in. So for the benefit of like a six or eight straggling people that were milling about, Stan got on the goddamn PA system at the gate. Leftonza Airlines Flight 462 landing at Gate 18, Lufthansa Airlines from Berlin. You could do anything you wanted in these fucking places. I think this is a good topic for the new year.

Airplane, airport stories. Well, there's It was a different world back then, ladies gentlemen. I've seen things, but in the meantime, we've ended the show, haven't we? We have more of the ionosphere club in the future. Yes, and we'll get you high

and then get you back down again. And in parting, we'd like to wish you love, peace and soul. So tune in next week for more of that. And Saturday night's main event, we're going to talk about that. And on your show, Brian, we'll do something. So thank you. Fuck you.

Bye-bye, everybody.