Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 572: Naked

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite & Tony Khan's media call! Plus Jim talks about Travis Scott & Cody Rhodes, The Rock's creative, Lex Luger, drug testing, ratings, and much more! Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's in Cornet. The keys to the future. Hell by Annette. W. tried to jump the shark, but it looked more like evil-conneville falling into the Snake River Canyon. And the WWE is caught between the rock and a hard way. We're going to talk about all that and more.

And joining me, Hawaii and Brian the podcasting line, King of the Arcading Vanguard podcast network, Mr. Co-host to you, if I'm in shark-infested water, he's always my chum. The great Brian Last, everybody. I mess that up. Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again for another fun-packed show. I guess the last couple of shows have been really WWE heavy. We're kind of in a weird little middle period before they do something else that everyone's talking about. Well, they're still talking about it. We're going to talk about what people are talking about that they did. So that's a big part of it.

Apparently, Mr. Hollywood is just bopping in and making some changes that we sort of could tell because it didn't really flow, but now a lot of people talking about it. So we'll talk about it. We'll talk about what they're talking about. You're talking about the rock? Well, you know, no, your favorite movie star. Well, when you said Mr. Hollywood, I actually thought you were talking about yourself for a moment there. Well, no, I am released today. I got the official paperwork. I don't have to report anymore.

But no, I'm released today as we are talking here right now. I'm talking to you. The Queen of the Ring is officially released nationwide. I'm sure to not only the critical acclaim that it's been getting so far, you know, a lot of the experienced the, in the piece have been getting

some quite excellent reviews. I think mine are going to start dribbling and drabbling in as they see. Wait a minute, who is that exciting

newcomer that lit up the screen and captivated us like a De Niro or a Pacino or a David Faustino. He's the only one I can think of to rhyme

with Pacino. You know, I think those are going to start coming in they see my performance and the magnitude of me has a chance to sink in, Brian. What do you think? You know, a lot of the greats when they debut, the reviews are slow and coming in that they steal the picture eventually.

Yeah, I guess you could be a sleeper star of the film. A lot of people were asleep by the third scene I was in. Have you seen the pictures of like the other openings of the various wrestling stars from both companies and beyond that have been going? Yes. and infinity and beyond certain people not under contract currently with a major company well yeah well there's a lot of people because there's people associated with the people that are in the movie and then they come and then they bring people that they're associated with but all i know is that some of these big stars didn't bother to come to louisville

like they came to new york apparently i'll excuse prince nana because he he lives there he would had to come a pretty fur piece for Louisville. Well, anyway, Brian, right here at the top of the program is generally where we get acquainted with what's going on in our lives here. We don't do like the WW does. We don't have the hell in a cell before we have a hell in a cell or we don't have a Royal Rumble before we have a Royal Rumble. We do the show and we have a brief

very minimal conversation before the program, so is not to talk and catch up, and then we've done really the show, right? That's why we sound just like two bros catching up on the phone. Just two bros, Bro A and Bro B. See, we don't, if we had four guys, we'd have to include Brody.

But we just, we catch up, let's see, It would naturally follow. I was a sleeper joke. Took me a second. Yeah, too, I'll see. I'm a sleeper kind of guy. So we catch up here at the top of the program on what's going on in our lives. And sometimes we just refer to it in gloss over terms, a happy talk.

What's going on? Sometimes it's what's going on in our lives. Sometimes it's what's going on in the news. It's something funny, something ironic. Like rain on your wedding day? that's actually more like just bad luck but it's something that you know some amusement some people can get some entertainment out of and since i talk to you it's only been a couple days there's really nothing entertaining happened in my life so i thought i would turn to the news because i looked

on the on the yahoo thing and that's there's always the the funny story about somebody just doing something really stupid or some crazy thought-provoking thing going on it just makes you go hmm or whatever something of an entertaining uplifting lighthearted little way to break into the program i looked at the news today there is no happiness there is just misery and fucking negativity in every area of fucking news of every headline that i was an argument in congress and fucking so-and-so reveals tumors and so-and-so is dead for days before the body was found. I mean, just fucking ridiculous. What the fuck?

Even we, with our not only amazing talent, but also questionable taste, can't make fun out of this shit. And then I found something here, and I haven't even clicked on it because I wanted to wait to reveal it to you as well as the world. for the first time, but do you remember, as I was there then, in TNA, when they brought in the football, the NFL football player named Pac-Man Jones? Oh yeah, we just saw him. He was at one of the WWE events in the crowd. Oh, well, he was, they actually, this was God almost 20 years ago now, but he was in some fashion,

suspended for something. And he was, I think, playing for Tennessee at the time in Nashville. So Jeff Jarrett knew every sports team and everybody in Nashville. And they had this guy. He shot an angle.

And I think, wasn't he the one wherever they shot an angle in the NFL said, but nobody can touch him? So he had to have a tag team match without anybody touching him. Wasn't that the one? It was, you know, it was so long ago. and I wasn't watching TNA, but it was a big deal at the time because he was in the kind of, I think it was a shooting

or someone got killed. It was one of those things. He said, at a nightclub. He was notorious for going out to nightclubs and throwing money around and creating fucking scenes. And I think one of the bouncers got shot. Because I remember, and he was a wrestler. And he was in the rest of the restless.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're twin sons of different mothers. The bouncer that got shot and fucking killed. or whatever was a wrestler. At the time, people were mad that T-N-A were even using him. Yes. And you should have seen the fucking retinue Google it, kids.

It's a word that's not used often enough. R-E-T-I-N-U-E. Of shady associates and affiliates and goofy-looking motherfuckers that this guy trooped into Universal Studios with, and I'm there was one and I'm not being racist when I say that he was a nice start well no I'm not being racist because he was a white guy but he was a fat pudgy looking round-faced white guy that

looked like he would be lumpy Rutherford's little brother on leave it to beaver and he was dressed like swerve Strickland with chains around his neck and the whole rapper gang, whatever the fuck that these people with Pac-Man were doing, they had the whole gimmick, right? But here's this fucking fat, floppy, flat-footed fucking white, fat-white guy that was dripping in chains and bling and fucking whatever, that they were using him to run around and do their errands and they'd pull up into fucking limo and the blah, blah, blah. And so anyway, Pac-Man Jones, and there was a bunch of the guys, they're going, he plays the NFL

because they're football fans going up wanting to meet this fucking cretan but anyway he was an unsavory person for a number of fucking reasons back then and now i just looked at usa today sports as sports is in the headline ex-neplea player pacman jones reveals he never used his own urine in nfl drug tests i don't know whether he fits in wrestling would you like to i'm clicking on this now to see how he claims that he did this. He outspoken advocate, outspoken abidus, outspoken advocate of cannabis.

It sounds like it. And even revealed last year that he smoked marijuana before playing an NFL games, but an interview that aired Tuesday, Jones came clean about how he concealed his marijuana used to avoid getting in trouble under the NFL substance abuse policy He said he'd never use his own urine in league drug tests.

I cheated the program, Jones said. It was Howard Finkles. Poor Fank Noggin. Like I was really good. People don't know how smart I am, but like I can say it now. I don't play no more. But like I've never used my urine for a urine test, not one time. Sanders, the show's co-host.

Dion Sanders, I guess. He's a football feller, right? Oh, he's an amazing athlete. He was a baseball player and the football player, and now he's a head coach. Well, there you go. Well, he tried to tell Jones that such cheating quote can't happen today.

Oh, yeah. Apparently he's still beholden to the folks at the NFL, is Dion. Because the NFL has made it harder for players to do that. Jones disagreed with Sanders. It can happen if you know what you're doing. Don't say it can't happen. Pop, hey, Pop, don't say it can't happen. The reason it can't because they go in there with you right now,

Sanders said of NFL drug testers. No, no, they go in there and watch you pull it out. And Jones said, you can still get them. What does he do? I got the fake dick. It's got to be a fake dick. You don't think it's like a tube next to his dick that he holds and like there's some kind of apple juice? No, I think, no, here's what's going on is.

He's got a Swedish-made fake dick because, you know, the drug test guy is going to have to give it a couple of strokes with the five-knuckle shuffle to get it a little harder just to make sure that he's getting a good look at it. So it's got to be one of those flesh-like fucking things that you can kind of pull. hump a little bit and then you take the you see to know about these things well yeah and then you you take the the surgical quality balloon filled with your legitimate urine that you're squeezing between your butt cheeks and you clamp down on it and it shoots right out the fucking end of the fake dick and it's right into the fucking drug testers hand well if he wants to hold a cup to it you you know, he can do that too. Wait, does the drug tester hold the cup?

Well, no, with me, they just held their hand out, and I would just kind of fill up their palm a little bit. You seem to know a lot about the prosthetic penis market. And well, that's going on. I've worked as a tester. But anyway, and by the way is. I made the Howard Finkel joke for anyone who just thinks I was being mean to the think for the think for no reason, because that was,

I believe Howard Finkel was the one who did the drug test for Hulk Hogan, it turned out years ago yes it was well he didn't he didn't do it he he provided the the evidence of the urination and hope did the rest we don't want to you know howard was a mere prawn in the game as it was his urine it was his urine wasn't it well no it was but when he handed it to hogan he said this is urine so hogan thought it was his but anyway the point i'm making is here is old dion sanders old neon Dion, I think I remember they used to call him. He's trying to take up for the NFL. Oh, they can't do that today.

Bleed, no, no, no. And his fucking guy. Oh, yeah, they can. And, oh, hold on. Sanders' co-host, Roxy Diaz asked Jones how he could still evade testing under the league policy today. You want me to tell you how? I'm going to give you all the secrets right now.

All right. But Sanders, who doesn't drink or smoke wouldn't let him say more. Nope, nope, nope, Sanders said. Jones continued the cups they give you. Sanders then shut it down before Jones could explain. Oh, what a heel.

I want to hear this. Apparently everybody does, including the players in the NFL. The cups they give you. I mean, he starts with that. Where could that go? What does that mean? The cups they give you.

Well, see, that's what I was saying. It's better to take it in your bare paw. Well, see, it proves my point. It doesn't prove any point. Was that your point? Well, that was at some point that was. But hold on, let's see. Jones was the sixth overall NFL draft pick in 2005,

went on to play for four NFL teams, including the Tennessee Titans and Cincinnati Bengals last played in the NFL in 2018. But in 2007, he was suspended for the entire season. That's when it was under the league's personal conduct policy after a number of off-the-field incidents and run-ins with the law. In 2008, he was suspended another six games after an alcohol-related incident in Dallas, which led to increased drug testing for him, including he said every other day and even when he was out of the country. I don't know if somebody was they, did he have a personal

fucking pissed boy following him around every 48 hours. Yeah, what's the cost to the NFL of having someone tested every other day? I believe that's an exaggeration. I don't know. But now I'm willing to be shown proof otherwise. But nevertheless... Who in wrestling had a reputation for being the best of getting around the drug test? Like Tom Zink, it turned out he had more weed in him than any human being on the planet.

You couldn't hide that. Well, no, he didn't get around anything. That's what I'm saying. right there in front of it. I'm saying a lot of guys, you couldn't hide anything. They didn't even try to. Was there anyone who was specifically known as being good at getting around the drug testing? Well, that's almost self-contradictive because if you were particularly good at getting around it,

people wouldn't fucking know. Unless you're bragging about it, unless you told the other boys what was going on. Well, then you're a fucking moron. I mean, everybody, you know, at some point or another, you know, everybody is. probably beating the system. But in a lot of cases, you're not going to know what they were fucking doing at a high level. If the office really cared and were really taking the results legitimately,

if it was during one of those areas and the guys that to top were getting by with something, I don't know that maybe even their best friend or two might know. No, but I don't think it would be public. But when they, they did drug tests, like you said, zinc in WCW. When was the, it would have been 1990. I think they were catching on that 89 or 90. Vince was doing this or was he doing it yet or he hadn't done it? So were they doing it because Vince wasn't doing it?

Or were they doing it because Vince was doing it? I forget which example that was. Well, Vince announced it in 91 when everything really started getting a lot of publicity. 89, I think it was when they started changing things because that's when Linda McMahon heard that George Saharian was under investigation. And then WCW, of course, famously with you there, turned down Tully Blanchard after saying they were going to sign him. I don't have turned down. Okay, well, now, but that was in. So Vince had already done a drug test because Tully flunked it.

That was in late 89. But that wasn't, I guess I'm just specifying, there's a difference, I guess, between steroid testing and just overall drug. Oh, I'm just talking any kind of test. Until, the only kind of test in Jim Crockett was, are you able to sign this contract? Can you write your name? Otherwise, you know, and any other wrestling territory. I'm talking about when they first started testing for anything. That's when WCW first did the test.

I think it was 89. 89 into 90 and that's why i heard that comment about zinc he just he had like what they said i don't know this is just i think what barnett said he said he's got epic levels of weed and has said i mean they talked to him like is there some issue apparently that he set some kind of new record but that was the thing is they were they were testing because this publicity was starting to come out about Vince and that was whatever. They were trying to follow it. TBS was the ownership now, so it was a legitimate company.

But everybody flunked for something because they didn't. I think it was, we said the only people that passed were me and Oly Anderson, and if they'd have checked for cholesterol, I'd have been out. And if they'd have checked for alcohol, he'd have been out. but but they didn't do anything they just basically wanted to see where everybody was at the first time and then later on i think they started finding people or whatever for marijuana and cocaine whatever the fuck that they might find but i don't even know if it was still a couple more years before they started checking for stairway then they didn't and then Vince did and then Vince didn't and they

It was just, there was somebody always beating something with that screwy fucking system and playing, you know, had the old shell game on what they're even checking for. It was ridiculous. Which wrestling? And that was why Heard gave a excuse for not hiring Tully because he'd flunked Vince's fucking drug test on the way because he didn't care because he knew he was leaving. I'm sorry, go ahead. What was your question?

Just were there any wrestlers that would flip out if a drug test was coming? Again, you know, they did most of that in the WWF on the road. I wasn't there. I wasn't even that. I certainly wasn't having anybody tested even for food in Smoky Mountain Wrestling, to paraphrase Dutch's old joke. And that was where a lot of the WWF tests happened was on the road because TV was awful busy.

They did do a few at TV. I was actually kind of insulted the first time that they asked me. Like, what the fuck? Seriously? But I, again, I don't remember anybody storming out of the fucking building. And then we had, with OVW, well, no, I'm just thinking with OVW, because it was a developmental program. We had in Kentucky more testing going on from the athletic commission than the office did of those guys after their initial.

And then that wasn't even as extensive of physical and, you know, health check as they would do later on. Then they didn't, unless somebody had a goddamn issue that made a headline, they didn't send anybody around to make anybody in developmental piss. but state athletic commission every once in a while would or, you know, check you for fucking steroids or weed or whatever the fuck. But the WW wasn't even looking that close to those guys then. Was there any kind of change that anything happened in terms of from higher up when the thing went down with Lesnar and Waterman? Well, that's what I was talking about, you know, in case something didn't make fucking

headlines. it didn't make any headlines, but it made the police blotter. And do people know what's going on here? Do I need to preface this? I don't know. I think you may have told the story many years ago, and I don't know if you said both guys' names when telling the story. Well, that's true, but also it was in some book either by Brock or about.

Brock's never read a book. Somebody wrote the story. Book by Brock. well yeah buy book by brock that's that's the spot by book by brock chapter two animals fucking brock and ron waterman

call me at home here one night when they're both here in ovw and say well we we got a little problem and this has been god damn 25 years so i'm i don't want to give any wrong details so i'll basically give the gist of it is they just been arrested because they're steroids that they ordered through the mail when they picked them up at I believe the the manager's

office of their apartment complex and accepted delivery of them they were soon afterward visited by Louisville's finest to take exception to it and they wanted to know basically if they were fucked or not and I said well I'll get back to you as soon as I can talk to one of the fuckers. So I I called technically he was an ex-fucker. I called Dean Hill, who had been a police

officer here in Louisville for about 25 years. And, you know, said, how much trouble are these idiots in? And I, and he told me probably, you know, potentially a bit, if not more, And then I'm struggling as I tell the story because then I called them back and I think at that point we had to, you know, get them an attorney or have them contact someone who could represent them.

Oh, here, let me pay for your fucking attorney for this stupid error. And I'm trying to remember what the resolution was now, to be honest with you, because it's been 25 fucking years and i just remember these people called me and said yeah we picked up our illegal drugs that we ordered through the mail they fucking arrested us for it but somewhere or another it was a while before the office found out i think because i i i wasn't going to fucking you know tell them that i knew that they had called me so it was a little while and then things came to light, but I can't remember what happened, though, but nobody went to jail, obviously. And I think they were mere prawns in the game.

I think it was a bigger investigation. They may have just named names, Brian. Named names. Did you ever have any issues with Dean Hill having a conflict? Because wrestlers always get in trouble. Even before OVW, he was the ring announcer for the USWA shows in Louisville. any issues with the fact that he was such a high-profile police officer in town and wrestlers commonly get into trouble.

Did he ever have any conflicts because of that? Well, no, because most of the guys, I think that during the USWA years was a Chris Champion, it may have got arrested at the Toy Tiger, but there was never any wrestlers getting in trouble around town in Louisville in the Jarrett years, at least until certainly after, after Christine Jarrett left the road in the early 90s, except for, and then of course, there was the epic Lawler situation where he was staying overnight, actually in Southern Indiana,

at the days in in Jeffersonville. But that was unusual. Guys didn't stay in Louisville and go out and get drunk and, you know, getting fights at the bar or do anything really in Louisville besides come in, wrestle and leave again or come in wrestling stay over to fucking days in and then go to evansville the next day there was not that many incidents where the guys in those days would have brushes with police and or legal issues was getting in fucking fights at the gardens with fans either in the ring hitting the ring or you know coming back from the ring and dean was a valuable

guy there because he knew that in pretty much it in those days you didn't need to go out and instigate anything 99% of the shit it was the fucking fans fault for doing something first and dean was good at not only diffusing those situations by snatching these fuckers first but also by being a guy who was smart to the business who was there to say as a police officer he has a fucking guys drunk and he jumped in the ring and a guy was defending himself. But you didn't have to, we didn't have to rely on Dean's expertise. Really in the days he was a police officer, more than the younger generation,

they just flaunt authority, Brian. These young kids came along when Dean was already a successful, retired announcer slash, he had horses at a stable at that time slash repair service technician, he's always had 18 jobs but we didn't have to use him to testify in court.

I was always shocked years later when I found out after watching OVW with him, with him, well, you and him, that he was a police officer because again, he was the ring announcer in Louisville the night that he told them to put the spotlight on us and then the fans started trying to attack us That was good. He's also got a wicked sense of humor, too.

I see some fans from Smokey Mountain are here tonight. And all of some of the lights on us. Like, oh, shit. Yeah, but in the building, if they'd have tried to jump you guys, Dean could have taken care of him all by himself. One riot, one ranger. One riot, one hill. See, I'd never caught on quite like one riot, one ranger.

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Well, what are you, we? You got a frog in your pocket over there? Have you seen some of our listeners? You're going to get naked pictures of who? A.W. It's a crap shoot, I know, but still something might turn up. Well, what will turn up is on your doorstep naked wines. The promo code was repeated about 150 times.

See, you just said, turn up on your doorstep naked, wines. All right. Well, there's some naked ambition going on in the pro wrestling industry, apparently. I said a lot of people have started to talk about this. There are people now, they're convinced, first of all, that you're on a one-man crusade to just eliminate, eradicate, and decimate the rock. Poor Dwayne, he's put upon. I tell the truth and it upsets people who don't want that truth to be a reality. I hear from people like, you must be miserable.

Dude, I'm like the happiest person I know, but you're miserable because I'm telling the truth about something you love and don't want to believe. but you'll come around. Mr. and Mrs. listener out there, everyone else has. Mr. and Mrs. First Knighter, well, there are the segment, though, that believe that you are anti-Rock, and I was always, up until somewhat recently, very pro-rock.

Because, well, he's a star. He can say anything. He can do anything. Until he started saying anything and literally doing anything. And then he just become, and then he wanted to become a heel, but then he wanted to be liked for being such a heel. And it's just, it's, it's started to make my head hurt and it started to make me think, because, you know, if Seinfeld was a hit television program watched widely for eight or nine seasons,

but if there'd have been a fifth member of the regular cast. if there had been, if it had been the biggest star in the world at the period of time that show, if Tom Cruise had been the fifth guy in Seinfeld, but he had only come in like every season and a half and then everything circulated around him to the expense of all of the other things that they had going for a couple of shows that then he's gone. Maybe that wouldn't have worked either. it's just i'm anyway that's where i'm at is that yeah rock is a great pro wrestling personality and a big star but now he's i think he's embraced that he can just come in and just blurt out anything

or just do whatever even if it conflicts with things that have been going on that have been pointed to and led to and planned for months or and months and months and months and they're saying it again even even uncle dave who who apparently sends the rock's mother flowers every mother's day i mean he's been close to the family just you know love i think he's in their home movies and he is even starting to say that yes there's talk that he just came in kind of said, what about we do this? Should we talk about a little of this, Brian? Yeah, I mean, specifically everything I just went down,

because obviously after the major success that was the John Cina, he'll turn at Elimination Chamber, you started hearing from people, see, it was all neatly planned out long in advance, you just have to sit back and be patient, and I think the reality, the situation, and some of us have known it, and more people probably will,

and it will be a growing story, I would think in the years ahead, is, like you said, Dwayne Johnson swooping in with his own writers, with his own creative, producing himself, doing whatever he wants. And it's a tough dynamic. When I said a few weeks ago there's a rock problem, this is what I'm talking about.

The Rock's agent runs the company. The Rock's childhood friend is Triple H's partner in running WWE and does a great job. and he has a lot more on his plate now because they just launched a boxing company that he's going to be in charge of. What's next curling? The Canadians are doubled over laughing. But the rock at his press conference kind of said it, you know, he puts a very rosy spin on everything, as an executive should publicly. Although, again, not a heel who just did an angle shouldn't be coming out there to say,

I did such a wonderful job as the bad guy character, the final boss, that it's stupid to do it now. wait a while you can wait a while but he said it paul and his team were doing great and then me and brian go words and maya my team we come in and do our thing so if you have a year an average year where the booker for lack of a better term paula veck is laying out everything not just across raw but it's raw and it's smackdown and it's increasingly involving nxty which involves other things now, like TNA. There's a whole lot on his plate. And someone just comes in and says, it's time to change creative, because this is what me and my team decided we should do without consulting any of you. And even if you're a giant rock fan, you have to understand

how problematic that is. And if you say, and we'll get back to this, to tie this together, if you say, see, the Sina turn, it all makes sense, it turns out much like last year, the pivot that was forced by, you know, the fans get a lot of the credit and they deserve it, but a lot of it also was internal pushback from people who could. And it seems that potentially that may have happened again leading to the Sina turn. Well, because apparently poor John was choice number two. The rock's original idea was that Cody would indeed align himself with the rock.

But when that, and who knows, was it shot down, did Cody turn it down? Was it a combination of all of these things? But that's, you know, that shows you. there that what the fuck they were doing something or they were going to do something different and they're pivoting and what bolsters the idea that there were last minute changes during the day even with all of this stuff going on was that remember and i think you mentioned it when we talked about the show they played the rock video in the middle of the show so you thought that that that was going to be next was the Rock and Cody's decision.

And then they went into, what was it? Owens insane. Yeah. And because that was, they changed the format so late in the day. Originally they were going to do that. They were going to go from the rock video to the Rock Cody segment. And that was changed so late that they didn't even get the proper runtime established for the video. And they were going to end with the lights out.

unsanctioned match or they dropped the cow and hit each other with everything except common sense but they couldn't do that because when sena was just originally going to win the elimination chamber that was fine but then sena turning on cody which was not originally scheduled as part of the programming wouldn't have made sense for anything to follow that so they fucking rewracked the whole goddamn show at last minute and there's evidence to support that theory as well as unnamed people being quoted as saying it. You know, the other thing is

for everyone who compared to Sina Turn to you know, for the people who didn't like it, the comparison we heard was Steve Austin turning at WrestleMania 17. Steve Austin and the Rock and he went with Vince McMahon. If Cody had turned, that's what it would

have been. It would have been the most nonsensical time to turn him heel. And it would probably have not as big a as effect on business you know today it's such a juggernaut it's almost bulletproof but it would have it would have hurt their business and hurt their ability to get hurt cody hurt their business and hurt their ability to get somebody in that cody position again because you've you've wronged another generation of fans they'll have wounded feelings with the scene of people there is some element of

well, when they were kids or they were whatever, the innocent years of their life, that's been a long time ago. Now they're just, oh, okay, he's kicking people into balls. It's Cody's era now, and that would have been similar to an Austin type of thing. But again, that's where I mentioned Uncle Dave because he described the story that the is telling he said after the show Dwayne Johnson claimed that everything was planned for the long game from bad blood although others have called that version the Hulk Hogan version of the story and this can't be planned this way it because

there again from big show to big show and I'm not talking about Paul White from from the from the Rock's appearances They whipped the shit out of each other, beat shit out of each other and bled, and it was hard feelings, and then I'll see you again. I've got, remember when Rock walked off into the sunset to go back and, you know, trudge through the desert making movies in Hollywood? I'll see you again someday. And then he came back and stared at everybody,

and then he was, was he a heel again? then he was a baby face, then he was hugging and kissing him, then he turned back and forth at one promo, then he's goddamn wiping the guy's blood on a fucking belt with a rap star the day before, or the night before the early morning press conference where he's telling people that he had such fun

creating this such evil character that he just play acted. It's just, he's just coming in and doing whatever the fuck. talk me down I think the damage that his reputation took from Black Adam affected him

that's not to say he's not still getting big opportunities he has a deal with Disney but I think people knowing that it was his creative and his direction and his ex-wife and manager

involved that made that project a disaster for DC and the studio. And I think with wrestling, the Rocks always had a safe place that he can come back to and do almost nothing. And that's one of the reasons I started to not like his on-air performances,

not right now, but a few years ago, because he was doing nothing. It was just coasting to get a nice night out of it. Now he needs it, but now he wants this weird recognition. It's not even a lot of. approval, it's recognition. You know, when we played the press conference audio,

Triple H was out there earlier that night, and to the best of his ability in that kind of setting, kind of walks the line of trying to not completely give away KFID. But I'm not saying he's going to lie or work anyone. Right, but at the same time, he's being somewhat respectful and, you know, not just showing you here, here's where we hide the handkerchief that comes out of my

fucking collar. But he's out there earlier there talking about an overarching, you know, series of questions about the night, about the record, you know, whatever it was, record gate, record revenue, everything's always a record. But then about the individual wrestlers on the show. And then it ends with Dwayne Johnson coming out there, like, he's running the show. And in a lot of ways, for certain things, he is. And I think that is a problem. And don't just believe there is no problem because the rock comes out there and act. comes out there and says everything's great, we get along great, everything's working great,

and my creative is great, there is a level of not in touch with what's happening right now that the rock has, and that doesn't take away from the things that work. And by the way, still a dynamic television performer. To the people think like, oh, you can't say anything good about the rock, I can. Some of you can't face the reality of the bad shit. You go, look at the good shit, that's easy. And I don't know how many more years this could happen around WrestleMania time where starting in whatever it was, November, October, he just swoops in, starts doing his own things. If you're trying to book out of WrestleMania, well, remember he just swooped into Stair in October, he just showed up for real again a few

weeks ago. Yeah. And that's what happened last year too. It was around January. All of a suddenly started showing up. And again, if you have plans and you're trying to lay stuff out, it's hard if someone comes in. And their first demand is, I want to turn Cody heel and have him as, have him as being under me. It's not even just have Cody turn heel, which there was a time to do that. If Cody had stayed in AEW, he had to become a heel. He wanted to be a baby face. He came to WWE, and it worked out better than he ever could have hoped for. If you turned him heal and then made him subservient to the Rock, would it kill them dead? It would have killed the audience enthusiasm, too.

Well, and let's talk about this for a second, because Cody allegedly, a lot of people saying it, was Rock's first choice, but when, again, that was somehow averted by method or methods unknown, then they went to John Casino was the number two choice. well you know what about this guy so automatically now they're that's why I thought it came the feeling was to me turning John seen a heel came out of not maybe not nowhere but certainly not a long fucking planned out thing and John said okay you know when they came to him but now they're taking an idea that was for one guy and they're using the same idea for another guy and everybody's situation is always different so is it

wouldn't you just to me have started from scratch with an idea or just left it lay but nevertheless i had now that if i hear that story and that if that's true that sina said okay i'll do it because cody was not going to do it then it's pretty obvious that he's got to get as we talked to talked about on the last show, we were shocked. You said, well, you know, he'll turn back at the end of the year or whatever and retire that way. That's probably how they pitched it to him. Turn heel and we can get this match and that match and the other match with you against

these baby faces, but by the end of the year, we'll turn you back some way. And he said, I, yeah, okay, I don't give a shit. Go ahead. What if he doesn't retire? What if it was a heel saying something that wasn't true? But it, I don't know that it was a heel saying something that wasn't true because to me it's like he's, he's already been retired and he just came back to fucking retire again. I mean, it's, is it a, is it a year? Does he go till next fucking March? Okay, maybe whatever the fuck, or next WrestleMania. But it ain't going to be long. It's not, we're not talking years.

And again, if, if in four years, you. years he's the fucking top heel and somebody play this back for me. And he has a good story to tell. We haven't heard anyone talk yet. Again, Raw took place two days later. No Rock, no Sina. But Sina, every time he's come back in the last four years or so, he's lost. He lost every match.

Austin Theory, Bray Wyatt. I can't remember the last match he won before the Royal Rumble. Solo Sacoa didn't Solo beat him too? So now there's at least a reason. I'm coming back and I want to win the title, I have to do something different. There's reasoning there if it's explained. But if Cody had turned, it would have been a disaster and there would have been no valid reasoning that would have worked.

Oh, I agree with you there. And one more thing about John and we'll talk about something else that we may have called is with Jonathan, the reason why that he has lost most of the time, or all the tire or whatever when he's because he has only been a part-time guy in wrestling for a while now and he i he's not he's a guy who understands business and he's not greedy about you know getting somebody else over and all that stuff but i think you can tell that this came up because the new ownership they probably made him a hell of an offer for millions and millions of dollars to come back and do a year and if they said yeah hey stick around for another quarter and go to wrestlemania i'm sure he'd

do that too but it ain't going to be long and at some point even then you risk not going out with a bang because people get a sour taste in their mouth because you didn't go out when you said you were going to so i think he's probably going to honor mostly and or in principle the idea that he's not going to be in these towns multiple times because then they've already said the last time in every town, then they're going to lie to all those people that are their most ardent ticket buyers in these markets where he's supposed to be in for the last time

if he was to come back next year. Why? Did they lie? Did they lie or did the heel lie? Well, no, that any more in today's environment they know it's the company fucking line because people buying the tickets and a lot of cases are the most dedicated consumers and they'd be like wait a minute he just had his fucking last match here nine months ago that would be bullshit I think it would hurt consumer confidence

I don't think any of though any of them want that all the office might but I don't think Cina does so I'm thinking that somehow by the end of this run whether it's the year or the fucking run, he will switch back baby face and still be able to go out with somewhat of a bang. He might not win his last match, but he'll go out with the audience's sympathy and appreciation instead of slinking off like a dirty heel. That's my prediction. This last year is like the last three years of Andre's career. Andre suddenly turns heel and then he's a heel the entire time in his last night,

WrestleMania or his last night as an active wrestler, him and Haku lose, and then he turns baby face against Bobby Hina and Haku, leaves with people cheering him for the last time. Well, but it ain't going to take three years. Right. Sino will be still more mobile than Andre was, poor thing. But anyway, one more thing I want to bring up

about this whole fiasco at the elimination chamber and the turn and the Zabada. I saw and again, I don't even, it wasn't the angle that they shot on the pay-per-view. I saw the pay-per-view, but that I saw this angle on Twitter, I don't know where they got it. It was good quality video, but this fucking Travis Scott character slapping Cody Rhodes across the side of the fucking head, and you could see fucking Cody sell it to. like, ha! And I said, what, you can, this idiot, this mark in their potatoing people, you can bust somebody's ear drum like that. Because if you slap them hard on the ear, the concussive

effect, it's worse than a knockout punch. If that ear, that ear, that air is forced into your ear drum and it busts it, you can have, you can have infections. It's a horrible fucking pain. It can, you're bleeding out to ear, possibly. It can lead to serious issues, a whole nine yards. That's why I hate these fucking idiots do these slap fights. You know, one good, well-placed in the right place slap that somebody sells is good. The rest of them are just needless risk to your hearing. But nevertheless, apparently from what is being reported, who could have known this, Brian, he busted Cody Rhodes' fucking ear drum

and gave him a black eye with the same slap. What the... There were people not happy, and I was amongst them. I don't think you were too warm on it. That this clown was standing around with his dick

in his hand, literally once I saw, in the middle of this angle between these great top pro wrestling stars, just because the rock likes this guy because he's a star to apparently the people that rock aspires to be a star or two and is trying to leach off of his popularity but otherwise he was as useful as as adrian street would say a spare prick at the wedding in this wrestling angle and he fucking nearly deafened the most popular wrestler in the company your thoughts on whether he should be strung up across a

fucking hood of a car and run through a flaming fucking donut. Well, sadly, this is the least amount of people injured at a Travis Scott event. But no, I think when the rock at his press conference said that he told Travis Scott to lay it in, or whatever he said, you said he wanted to get his hands dirty, I said, well, you better make it look good, you better. And then he went out there and he shoot, slap Cody in the face. When Cody wasn't prepared for it, Sina was right behind him. after trying to tug him up too.

Apparently, Cody has a black eye. Apparently Cody has a busted eardrum. And again, I hate to pile on the rock. But if the rock books a celebrity and then tells them to go in the ring and do whatever they want or make it look good and they have no idea how to throw a working punch or slap, and most of us don't, that's a problem. And I said Cody's going to give him his receipt. Trust me, the rest of the locker room is not too happy about it either.

It was one of the more unprofessional things we've seen on this show ever. I would love to see Travis Scott and the Royal Rumble now, I'll tell you that. But no, I don't care who it is. If there is somebody in the ring, when you are doing an angle, I've never had a fireman that was giving an award for a charity fundraiser when physicality broke out. I've never had one of them unaware of the basic thing is do not do any, just get out of the way. If they get involved, get out of the way. And anything on up, any kind of celebrity or outsider or even member of your announced staff or anybody who's not normally part of the physical program encompassing everybody in the world

of wrestling, if it's not a wrestler or somebody that's normally physical, They are specifically told in any production I've ever had anything to do with and any promotion from the WWF, WCW, Ring of Honor, Smoky Mountain, OVW, whatever the fuck, either don't do anything or here's exactly what you're going to be doing. There's no gray area left, like, I didn't know what to do or room for interpretation. Like, I thought I should do something. it's clearly spelled out because they're not experienced and because you don't want something that's going to

well I always worried about something looking phony because with most people that's what they try to do they try to do what they've seen on television and it looks as phony as a fucking football bat but this guy just committed felonious assault on a guy because he was laying face down with his head turn to the side basically and didn't even know that it was coming. That's completely unprofessional.

But unless it was specifically told to this fucking idiot, Travis Scott, by the Rock or Cody or Sina or the producers of the segment, to just hit him at will, whether he's looking or not, then that's something that you'd be a stupid idiot to do to begin with to hit a guy that's in that position doesn't even know it's coming that hard what so he's just an asshole and the producers i'm sure were mortified and you know and i'm sure they didn't say anything to him because he's allegedly this fucking star but if i was coding he'd pop my ear drum i'd at him around his fucking goosele pipe as soon as I got to the back.

It was on, and I think I said that on last week's program. It was uncalled for, and it was stupid. Unless he thought he was in a real fucking fight, in which case somebody needs to be goddamn sending him in for some kind of evaluation, Travis Scott needs to have somebody kick him up, up between his fucking taint. I'm going to burp. That's what I think of Travis Scott.

Yeah, I mean, who should be the person to say lay it in? The Rock or Cody? Well, if there was anyone to say it, obviously. The Rock saying that I told him, you know, he wants to get his hands bloody or whatever. So make it count or something like that. That sounds like some, you know, bullshit fucking bravado trying to make up for the fact that this guy just went into business for himself. And the Rock said, I told him to make sure he. makes it count he may very well turn around him and what the fuck did you just do but but no it's if

the time for that to be said would have been when cody was sitting there when they were talking about this whole fucking thing if anybody says lay it in it's it's when they're talking about what they're actually going to do you can't you i can't say to you lay it in on the somebody that's not even here in this conversation unless if you do that guy's going to come back and punch his shit out of you because he wasn't part of the fucking agreement it just doesn't make sense i think the guy just thought i'm standing around i ought to do something i'll slap this son of a bitch and the rock's trying to take somehow credit for that because it didn't even make sense where he hit him where he was if they had called for the spot to feature Travis Scott

striking Cody in some kind of fashion then the rock would have picked him up in a surfboard type of thing with his arms behind his fucking back and on his knees so that Travis Scott could have a good shot at it instead it was just like a fucking guy who didn't know what he was doing trying to do something and I think that's what it was Well, we'll see what happens We'll see who gets that receipt If Cody does himself Maybe Brandy can go in there and slap Travis

That would be a hell of a fight Hey Jim, before we move on On the topic of WWE some breaking news Uh-oh A bit of a follow-up on something we talked about On the drive-thru Lex Lugar Going into the WWE Hall of Fame

Are you kidding I am not kidding Well hold on here one second Sorry, sorry again, that sounds like a comedy club in Poughkeepsie on a Wednesday night, but my big, my big applause is out for repairs. Well, it's overdue because with this, here's the thing with as many of questionable picks as they've had lately. I think it just, poor Lex, he's undergone so much abuse from the previous administration over being ignored and harassed and fucking buried over the last 30 years.

or whatever, it's nice to see he's getting in too. Now that he's a kindly older gentleman, even if Chris Cruz doesn't like him. Chris Cruz won't be doing the inducting, from what I understand. No, I think that would make good television, though, if Chris Cruz inducted him. And then, even as though Lex isn't as stout as he used to be, he could probably still get the Cruz up in the torture rack, couldn't he?

You know, that would be amazing. If he comes out there in the wheelchair, he's been working with DDP, and he just slowly stands up, gets the big pop, you think that's it? And then all of a sudden he just spins Chris Cruz around and puts him in the doctor. What'd you think of the torture rack as a finisher? Um, well, for Lex, it was good because it showed off his body.

And it was somewhat believable and it was picturesque and everything. But overall, I think maybe it worked better for Rocca. But I digress. But the point is, Lugar being in the Hall of Fame and I like the idea of him walking across the stage and getting a big pop for the you know for the sake of it of course if it Vince was there if that did happen or he did get that far somebody come out and knock him down and put the boots to him but that'll be a nice feel good type of thing for the Hall of Fame and again I'm not

saying Lex should have gone in before Bruno Samertino but considering some of the other cast characters, I don't think he's out of place at all in this, in this current environment of the Hall of Fame. Well, and reportedly, I'm looking at another post here online. Jim, apparently also going into the W.W.E. Hall of Fame

this year will be the natural disasters, earthquake and typhoon. Although the picture here has him as tugboat. But I guess continuing... Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah. Well, no. That's, you know what? He's the only wrestler

that ever shipwrecked himself. The tugboat was caught in a typhoon and grounded on a sandbar. And then he became a shockmaster. But our earthquake and typhoon, the natural disasters, WWF tag team champions. Any thoughts on earthquake and typhoon? Well, they weren't exactly the Brisco brothers as technical wizards as a team, but they had the size and they had the gimmicks.

And I think we talked about, and when we mentioned the Dark Side of the Ring episode last year, John Tenta was a nice fellow and a poor old uncle Fred is a nice fellow himself so again with the other inductees and the precedent said I have no problem with that they were in a classic era of WWF programming

Not to say one thing is anything to do with the other but now we have the Undertaker's wife we have Triple H who's obviously in the family and now Cody's uncle going into all fame that's what other families available that's a fred ottman ladies gentlemen typhoon tugboat shockmaster he was big bubba at one time in san antonio uh but not that big bubba in memphis in memphis um he is the the uncle of cody because he's dusty's he married dusty's sister is that that's correct right that's the chain of events that's correct but i've always been confused so

he married Dusty's sister, who I guess she was in Florida or wherever. I don't know where that would have happened, but also, isn't Jerry Sags also Dusty's brother-in-law? Well, did Dusty have two sisters? That would explain it without any kind of Mormonism or anything going on. Let me look it up and see if it says anything about Jerry Sags' personal life. Jerry and his wife Laura have four children Sags's sister-in-law, Michelle, was married to the late pro-wrestler Dusty Rhodes.

Oh, so maybe this is Dusty's wife's sister. Interesting. What an interesting thing. Okay, so now, you lost me around a far turn. So, Dusty's wife, Michelle, her sister married Sags, is what you're saying? Sags' sister-in-law, Michelle. Sags' sister.

It's a weird sentence. Sags's sister-in-law, Michelle, was married to the late pro-wrestler Dusty Rhodes. Yes, so if Sags married Michelle's sister, then that would make... And that's the thing about

your mother and my mother were both mothers. So there you go. So, well, it's all in the family. By the way, Glenn Miller played. Songs that made the hit. parade. Oh, the way. Guys like it's all in the family, baby.

All right. Well, you certainly have gone to the Eve the Bunker School of Singing. I think all the listeners would agree with that. Well, there's things that, you know, that you got to do. You've got to entertain yourself, Brian. You got to keep a jaunty tune in your head as you go about the world these days. I just talked earlier about how all the news is bad and negative

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Yes. Well, Brian, before we move on to the other side of the promotional street, what is the rest of the down and dirty doo-do in the WWE these days? I have one other thing here. This was just sent to us. And actually, as I'm looking, a bunch of people have tried to post something about this on the Culta Cornet page. This is from ITR. Is that inside the ropes?

Inside the ropes. Why Mickey James was replaced on WWLFG? That's that show on A&E. That's airing right now that we haven't watched, but the clips are being played in another K-Fa-Busting moment. In the middle of the wrestling shows, now they play clips like this.

Yeah, the wrestling school on television, but yeah, she was originally one of the lady trainers. I didn't know she'd been replaced because we haven't been watching it, but what happened? Either have I, and either did I. Here's what it says here. Either have you.

By Sandra Ruth. A new report sheds light on Mickey James being replaced by Michelle McCool. Oh, oh. W.E. LFG. Back in December, a press release from WWE announced that A&E is strengthening its relationship with the sports entertainment giant as it picks up an in-ring competition series called WWW. LFG, which stands for Legends and Future Greats. The show is similar to...

The first one is fairly accurate. The second one I think may be optimistic at best, but go ahead. The show is similar to Tough Enough, featuring aspiring pro wrestlers attempting to secure a WWE contract while receiving training in the ring from legendary performers of the past, such as Booker T, Sean Michaels, Triple H, The Undertaker, and Mickey James. W.W.E. LFG has officially been renewed for a second season on A&E, and the announcement revealed that class of 2025 W.W.E. Hall of Famer,

Michelle McCool, had been added to the cast while Mickey James had been removed. According to a new report from Fightful Select, sources close to A&E indicate that the undertaker had a hand in this change being made. Sources close to the series told Fightful that the Undertaker would be open to continuing to work on the show if his wife were added to it. So the decision was made to replace James with McCool. The report makes it clear

that the Undertaker did not specifically call for James to be replaced or removed from the program just for his wife to be added, Just that he wanted McCool involved. So what are your thoughts on? Again, it's a weird error where everyone's getting their family hooked up in WWE. I believe him that he didn't want Mickey James fired. I actually believe him on that.

However, what would you think was going to happen? Well, and that's, again, Mickey James, and besides, not saying there was nepotism, but she's married to Nick Aldous. So she's still part of the family. That's right. But the thing is, Mickey James, she was in OVW in 2004. That's 21 years ago.

And before that, she had already been working on the independence. She's had the best trainers worked with the best talent, upcoming talent in OVW, the same kind of classes that the Victorias and et cetera came from. She worked there for years. is going on to TNA and et cetera. She's got worlds of experience in a variety of companies against all kinds of opponents. And so if you're going to have somebody training somebody,

well, that sounds like that would be what you want. And so the same thing I said when they presented Michelle McCool with, you know, you want to be in a Hall of Fame. Couldn't she say, ah, you know, I don't want people to think it's because it's going to, It's going to be because of the Undertaker. And the same thing here. Did she work for three years? Was that the length of her career or was it that long?

Or we didn't. I mean, we had a bunch of people said, oh, she was the greatest thing ever during the period of time you weren't watching the show. So we can't really disprove that. I didn't watch a show in a dedicated fashion, but I always kept up with wrong. Like every wrestling thing, you never completely turn away.

Everyone knows that's true. You could say, I turned away. You know, we could still talk about wrestling, though. But I paid attention to what was happening. I always hoped something would pull me back in. That's why I was here for things to pull me back in. They sucked. Michelle McCool was a diva who, like, transferred into having a job on the roster.

At the time, as it was happening, I don't remember anyone saying that, that woman should train others. Well, that's the point. I would wonder the same thing with the Hall of Fame announcement. Do we remember a great, does anybody talk about a great Michelle McCool moment? Have they been played on these endless documentaries and rehashes of WWE history? Has any great Michelle McCool promos or matches been highlighted? So I don't see how that you could make a case that of anybody that's available to him,

that she would be the best trainer of the female gender. But there you go. There you go. I see here another report. Nick Con is insisting on Killer Con being put into the Hall of Fame. Here's a quote. I don't have any family. This is as close as it gets.

But T. Joe, cousin Tijo, is going to have to be the one to induct him. Yeah, like I said, I don't think The Undertaker wanted Mickey James Fly, at least I hope not. But what did you think was going to happen if you say, if you don't end my wife, I'm leaving the show. What do you think was going to happen? Yeah, well, it's not a Cecil B. DeMille production. They can't have a cast of thousands.

How many people can you listen to? She was already the only female trainer of the list that you rattled off there. You know, I was like her name in OVW, Alexis Lurie. I always thought that was such a great name for a female wrestler. except it it, you know, it was unfortunately she had been using that beforehand,

so they weren't about to let her get away with that. Anyhow, would you like to talk about what apparently Tony Kahn can't get away with anymore? I'm thinking, as I watched this show from March the 5th,

AEW Dynamite, when I say this show, I don't think they're at a point were they anything can turn this can can they come back from this at this point i was teasing about they tried to jump the shark and missed the jump and landed like evil caneval in the snake river canyon it all of their there's nobody they can sign that will make a difference they've nullified their million dollar acquisitions

already the homegrown talent they have is is nullified or nil anymore. The ratings have backed of it, and they can't get out of their own way. They will find some way, even in advantageous positions, to make this thing look like it's goddamn amateur hour. And I mean, there was nothing as blatant as last week, Chris Daniels was knuckling his own face on a fucking drive-in movie screen in front of their most faithful fans.

That had to be, what the fuck? But it just looks... The WWE is having drone shots flying into stadiums and into up a goddamn fucking top baby faces nose with precision like a network production. And they've got their top guys cutting promos. out back of the building like they're out in the fucking hood. It looked like the back of the Tupelo Sports Arena. It's a fucking fence and some trees with a goddamn alley and a garbage can.

Am I overstating this how low rent they've... The Memorial Auditorium in Sacramento, inside it looked great. It's an old building with the ornate movie palace stucco or whatever the fuck, it was full because it seats like, what, $2,500? It looked great inside, so they spent an inordinate amount of time shooting the outside where it looks like it's in a goddamn residential neighborhood, the seen better days, and if you walk two blocks to the right, you could probably find some crack.

Yeah, see, I like the MJF promo, but the location, it just looked like, hey, let's go behind the building. Yes, that's where they were. next to the production trucks but it wasn't like they were behind the goddamn New Orleans Superdome or the you know the the fucking jello pudding center in Butte

Montana even it was goddamn it was a fucking hood I don't the other thing I want to say based on what you're saying here about the production and everything and it was hard to you know it was it was glaring watching this coming off a weekend where WWE ate up the conversation

with their big show and then raw and just the energy and the feel and the look and then you go to this. I've watched NXT several times recently when they're out of town, I guess we would say. On the road. They do a better job than AEW of shooting the smaller rooms

and making it feel, making it have a feel. A.W. It feels like, let's go to a room and shoot it. like nothing ever feels like it's done to, I don't know, bring you in. It just, it feels like you're watching from a distance. I don't know how to explain it. Not that I don't want the steady cam. That's maybe not the best example, but the way NXT has shot these smaller rooms brings you right into the action.

It still feels like there's a big disconnect. And a lot of AEW's fans feel like people going to the zoo, just looking at the animals. it's a part of it is that the again planning and preparation and it seems to me like there's a lot of this that i've seen it in ring of honor in the in the day and in other places that i've been m lw you know any place with a lower batiae and a sometimes where you go out they say just go out and shoot something. And definitely back in Smoky Mountain or the territory days, go out and shoot something. But the WWE now is cognizant that they're doing a big league television production.

And they're not just sending guys out with a germ of an idea to shoot something. The locations are thought is put into them. They've got a full crew, including a producer, when a guy's, you know, and I don't, again, a lot of this comes down to we talked about Tony con and AEW not having production meetings but Tony con not having shows done is this like you know in some cases this shit's live in some cases it's pre-taped but is that they're only shot at it get it now we got to get it to the truck I've been in that position on low budget fucking productions so but it's it's just that they

again inside this building with it full and the old style arena it looked good in a in an underground vibey way so they did everything they could to open up and find out that well the back of the in the back

door is a goddamn alley with nobody there there's like a one car passes in the background of MJF's fucking minute promo or they went to the front later on. So, oh my God, will we get to this? So Wheeler Useless could walk into the arena with purpose when he walked up empty front steps

on a residential side street of a goddamn sleepy town with the aura that somebody on Twitter, I think it was Dave Meltzer says what or something like that or Meltzer's thoughts, Triple H's thoughts, somebody said he looked like a used vinyl store clerk. But they're just, they're showing the, and they're showing the, the old parts of the building in the back where it looks like they're at a

goddamn, they are in an old auditorium that they used to do plays in with the backstage pullies and ropes and shit. They showed more of this building than they showed when they were running the NBA arenas, this point I'm trying to make. Let's move on. MJF was out on the fucking street in an alley. behind the building and cutting a promo on Adam Page, and it was shortened to the point,

but boy, he's going to have an aneurism, poor fella. And then we went into the building for the contract signing, for the fucking pay-per-view main events is going to take place in nine days from this very moment that they're doing the contract signing. Seems like they'd nail these details down. And Tony brings out swerve and nana, and then Tony brings out ricochet,

and one thing you gotta say Ricochet is embracing acting like a big goof or what do the kids say dweeb? Do the kids still say dweeb? Not really. What is Ricochet acting like? I don't know, putts, but he's doing a good job. I actually was going to say the same thing.

He's kind of starting to win me over. I don't know what the end game is, but he's starting to win me over as his character. Do you think it's just art imitating life? Someone said he laughs like Raj for what's happening. Well, he's the one that argues with individual fans on Twitter. Like, I know you are, but what am I type of level? But is that a gimmick?

See, that's the question. That's what we don't know. How nuts is he? But this was before they switched him fucking heel. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Anyway, Rick-A-She said, they asked about the robe, Prince Nana's robe, the embassy robe, the robe, the coat of many colors.

He said, don't worry about the robe. it's being upgraded, it's being modified. And he says, at least I'm here, swerve, so you don't have to worry about somebody burning your house down again. And, I mean, you know, you say he's embracing it, but I think that's the thing is here's this small guy, kind of a nondescript look, that it comes off like an indie guy pretending to be a heel wrestler.

and doing a contract signing skit. I don't believe him, the sincerity. He's playing bad guy wrestler. And while he's nattering off all this stuff to swerve and the camera has a close-up of him, over his shoulder there are two fat people in the front row eating nachos and dipping them in cheese and paying no fucking attention.

And they're in the front row. And then when I saw that, that's all I could fucking see from that camera shot. I would just, and they were mowing through those fucking nachos, boy. Go back. If anybody's got it on your DVR. I didn't notice this. When he is talking, watch, I'm telling you, there's one on the left doesn't have a waistline. He's got a coastline.

Hey. But anyway, so, yes. I didn't know if you were going to go back to the contract sign. I was going to ask you what you. What you thought is Swerve's mic work here? Well, that's the thing when RICOchet signed and then Swerve started his promo. His whole thing is being the most dangerous man in AEW and you've unleashed me and he was being very serious, but it's hard to take him being the most dangerous man in AEW seriously since ever since ever since people started liking him.

He's been laid out. He's been involved in these preposterous scenarios where his house got burned down and the blood. And he says then he made the mistake, or Rickashay made the mistake of leaving him breathing. Like Rickshay doesn't look like he could kill time to begin with. But people know that there's going to be no death involved here unless it's accidental. that probability increases weekly with what they do, but nobody's going to kill anybody. And then the fan started chanting Swerve's house, but randomly while Swerve was talking, he didn't call for it. They just, that's all they want to do now when they see Swerve is chant Swerve's house.

Whose house Swerve's house? Because that's their time to do something. But it threw Swerve off his promo because they just started. chanting in the middle of his fucking interview. And, you know, Swerve said, Rikoshae is going to be known for me kicking your ass and your ring announcer wife and I'm going to end you.

And Riggaschet got pissed. But, I mean, is it, he had the aura and the people supporting him at one point. We've talked about that was months ago and months and months. And as soon as they decided to make his baby harassing and fucking home invading, you know, make him a baby face, then he's been, eh, ever since, hadn't he?

And poor Nana, just wishy-washy fucking dishrag being passed around. That's why I asked you about what you thought about Swarves' mic work, just because I was kind of blown away how it seemed like he was having a tough time saying whatever he wanted to say. He had a lot of it probably in his head. He stutter stepped a few times. But no, I think the enthusiasm for the swerves house chant is up. The enthusiasm for his promos in matches, maybe not so much.

And I'm not looking forward to the match, but, you know, the ricochet character as it's developing, at least I'm interested in that. At least I'm interested in that. and we'll see what happens there. How many times are they going to take the biggest baby face free agent on the market and make the people boo them out of the building? What did you think of the line about Samantha Irvin? Well, they went ooh about that, just because that sounds inside, right?

Well, because they all know that she was a WWE ring announcer. Well, yes. And that was the ooh moment, but then when swerve, signed the thing and the fans were chanted. Holy shit, because he mentioned his, I didn't actually mention by name his wife, but he mentioned his wife. Swerve just turns around

and turns his back on Rickache and stands there. And it was almost like they were doing a walk through. I was like, why did you just stand up and turn your back and stand there? Rcochet pulls scissors out of his inside jacket pocket and goes

to stab Swerve in the head. He spins swerve around and swerve blocks the scissors, pulls out his own scissors with the other hand, and stabs Rikoschet in the head. And Rikershay takes a bump over the table, and the cameras off of him for a while and on a close-up of swerve

so that we don't have any of those embarrassing. We're going to call him Mock's Leaves, where you can see the guy drilling for oil in his own fucking scalp. But then we saw Ricketts, again and he's selling it like he's been impaled on a goddamn lance from sir lancelot and he got a pap smear that's what they used to call it in the business brian when you were scared to get juice and you got a trickle that may be extended to your eyebrow he got a pap smear and swerve turned

around and walked off what the fuck are we doing now we block the scissors and stab me is now being called as a high spot. Should AEW start selling scissors at the merchandise stand? No, I'm afraid the fans will cut their fucking wrists. If you know someone's coming at you with scissors, how would you do it? Would you prepare yourself with your own scissors or would you get some... Your own scissors? If the motherfucker was trying to stab me with scissors and I'd reached up with my left arm and managed to block it,

I'd either poke him in the eyes or kick him in the balls. I wouldn't stand there while I pulled my own scissors out of my coat pocket. If only were the shit had a long head of hair, at least you could say they're building up to him losing that long head of hair. But that ain't it. But this, it's just so childish or stupid or not well thought out or fake. Or again, everybody being. involved in these things cumulatively over time, it diminishes their standing in the eyes of

most of the viewers except the, again, most dedicated, hardest core to run off, and that's why they're down to where they're barely at 600,000 people. And Uncle Dave will try to, well, we can't measure Netflix, but what this is? the same goddamn number before Netflix as after it's made negligible difference either way there wasn't a drop

of any kind and there hasn't been a rise because nobody's fucking and why say oh god damn now that I've I can finally see AEW on what is it not Netflix but Max it's changed my life now

no who's saying that who's coming to this and it's because of shit like this what do you think is worse the scissors or the screwdriver chicken or the egg they're both stupid and you you don't use things you can't work with

you don't use things that you know I mean if they I'm sure somebody would say what a great angle if they made a foam baseball bat and just hauled off and Babe Ruth swing somebody in the head and they took a bump but then got up.

They went, wow! But for most people, it's like, what the fuck? Now you've just insulted me. This is ridiculous. This couldn't possibly happen. It's just a bad program with bad acting and bad stunt work. And when they go through fake walls,

bad special effects. And that's why I'm saying, and it's just over and over now, that's why everybody's been diminished in the viewers that they're down to almost half of where they were regularly five years ago. And yes, the WWE is so much better, but AEW is legitimately worse. And they have run off a bunch of people that were watching their program for a while and don't anymore because this kind of just goofiness.

Anyway. And speaking of goofiness, the AEW. pay-per-views will now be on Prime Video. Brian, what's that? That is Amazon's streaming service, Prime. It's something where they have a lot of videos that are included with your Prime purchase or a lot of things you go watch, your Prime membership, I should say.

I can't speak today. And apparently this will be more like a pay-per-view situation. It'll be available for purchase. on Prime. It's not coming with Prime. Either way, I think it's a good thing. Obviously for AEW, another platform you're on, for anyone complaining, but it's not free.

Well, I mean, I mean, unless Amazon's getting... It's a pay-per-view. Yeah, Amazon's not saying, hey, AW, we'll pay you to come be over here. They're saying, we'll let you sell your pay-view over here. And that's a good thing. Well, regardless, does it get at some points more...

confusing for people? Well, you can see, instead of, yeah, I'm on Netflix or I'm on Fox or on whatever, well, I'm on this and that and the other fucking thing and you can do this also. Does that confuse the advertising? Well, I don't know about the advertising, but the fan, you wonder, I mean, here we are March and the pay-per-views aren't available on Max. You know, I can't just tune in the Max and watch it. You're not going to watch

Allegedly Dynamite and Collision Live. That's not even like available the next day the last time I checked and they have an archive going back to 2019 but the pay-per-views aren't streaming there. A.E.W.'s Big Win with Max, beyond the money, would have been

You'll carry everything. The way WWE is treated by Netflix and Peacock. No one's treating AEW that way and that's what they really need but they also have to perform as well. And, you know, it's just, again, going back to this, it's another platform the pay-per-view is on

and you want to be on every platform you can. In a dream world, you want a streaming partner who's going to pay you a shit ton of money and you don't have to worry about pay-per-view ever again. Well, you know, we don't have to worry about talking too much in detail about the next match because it was an eight-man tag team match with Mark Davis,

Brian Keith, Brian Cage, and Lance Archer against Will Osprey, Powerhouse Hobbs, Mark Briscoe, and our little puppy pockets. And again, besides that eight men pulled out of our ass, besides the fact that this gets busier than Grand Central Station at 5 o'clock on Friday afternoon, with stupid subplots and ridiculous red herrings and time wasting time killing momentum killing bullshit bad acting we first had to suffer through 15 minutes of this match for no reason because there are three legitimate talents out of eight guys osprey hobbs and briscoe briscoe's been completely nullified hobbs has been completely nullified hobbs has been completely nullified and Osprey's still supposed to be one of the top guys and they're fucking around with this bullshit for 15 fucking minutes

and they put pockets in there so you can't take it seriously. It's just more indie bullshit. So as I said, it took 15 minutes and Osprey beat Brian Keith by swinging his elbow forcefully over. over the top of Brian Key's head, missed him again with the thing. One, two, three.

But then suddenly, this 30-minute after-burst starts, Davis comes in. And by the way, have I mentioned his ass is bigger than Sacramento? You have. He's just... Unfortunately, that's all I could see now. And once you see it, you're like, yeah, this guy's got a big ass. He's filled with...

He's filled with fucking sand. So he jumps on Osprey's back and grabs him in a sleeper and holds him. And Archer and Cage are getting sloppy heat on the other baby faces, and they double power bomb, Hobbs on the stairs. I'm like, for fuck's sake. And then Davis basically, Osprey never got out of the sleeper. Davis choked him out. You remember that famous night on Raw when the Brooklyn brawler choked out stone cold, right?

So he just choked him out while Archer and Cage without taking a lot of effort, beat up the other three baby faces. And then they play music. And out walks Kyle Feltcher. And when I say walks, I mean walks, he meanders, as Aunt Lola would say. He strolled to the ring, trying to look all. bad and tough and while he was doing that

Osprey is laying down in the ring having been put out by the sleeper and Archer stand there with one foot on his fucking head. Again Lance Archer could have been a talent for them years ago before they ruined him and right

now is meaningless and you've got a meaningless fucking guy standing on the neck of your top baby face and then Kyle gets in the ring and Archer and Brian Cage hold Osprey and Kyle hit him

with a bunch of fake girly punches and then he started shoving and yelling at Mark Davis who's the one who choked Osprey out to begin with and now he's berating him because that's all part of this ingenious subplot where Davis is being abused and mistreated and verbally malingered by the fight and they took forever with this and then they took forever to make Davis hit

Osprey with a chair and it was going slowly enough that you realize that well Mark Briscoe and Hobbs and Pockets apparently have all been killed because there's been people been run over by fucking buses that got back to their feet quicker but they're gone and nobody you never see them again and then finally Davis hits Osprey in the back with a chair and then the heels all together yelled at Davis and banished him from the ring and he said, okay, I'll go. And then Felcher sets up the chair in the ring and slowly picked Osprey up and gave him a brainbuster on the chair and then posed. And there was nobody trying to help.

It was never explained where the tag team partners and the referee went. They just disappeared. They have security. We're going to see him. later on, believe me, but nobody came out because it's selective security. You've heard of social security.

This is selective security. When they're back there, they're saying, oh, shit, it looks like somebody's going to get hurt, guys, you want to go? Nah, I'm not feeling this one. Fuck that guy. He's on his own. None of it makes any sense, and it takes for fucking ever. Brian, your thoughts on this.

Can't add too much. I was surprised coming out of, again, the enthusiasm right now around what WW is doing. You would think some of that would almost carry over to AEW just in terms of overall wrestling enthusiasm. To begin with an eight-man, the first match on the show being this eight-man. I cringe. I'm sick of these multi-man matches when they just throw people together. And then they even tried to explain on commentary why Briscoe and Orange Cassidy were the conglomeration. There is no good reason.

for any of this. And the Mark Davis stuff is bizarre because he was there and then he got heard and left and Fletcher's all... Fletcher, not Fletcher, Fletcher's stuff all happened. And then he returned. They did a little thing with him

and then he was gone again. And then they brought him back now as a heel of callus and then they go right back to the heat between or the issues between him and Fletcher. I'm not a fan of any of this. And it went on a long time. Yes, very long, very long time.

You know what happened to me, Brian? It took so long for this thing to happen. My hair got grayer. How's that possible? My hair got grayer during the time that this match took to take place. And I'll have you know that I don't have much time left on this earth. I know I'm closer to the end than the beginning. and I'll just be damned if I'm going to let these people turn me gray.

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and changing your looks and identity so that way people won't recognize you on the street and you'll be embarrassed that you're on a substandard television program. Just change your fucking hair color. Did you ever see the first season? With simpler hair color. Once again, with simpler hair color. Think of what it could do for mocks, for cope, for all the stars of AEW,

and think of what it could do for you. One more time, Jim, our friends, simpler hair color. What's that promo code? JCE, and you have not yet acknowledged that you're aware that David Jansen in the fugitive, Richard Kimball, the wrongfully accused doctor, was originally a blonde-haired guy and he died at black. Yes, of course. Well, you say yes, of course, now because I've told you. They literally showed you with him on the train to start the show, so every episode began

with that. Yes, and hair dye, the bottle there. He'd be a real idiotic. If he was a fugitive and didn't dye his hair, it's the first thing you do. Well, that's, and that was simpler hair color that he used. Well, no, let's not say that some television criminal used a product that didn't exist yet, but it can work with you. Can you prove he didn't?

It can work for you, simpler hair color. Well, I think he did. Back to dynamite. Back to Dana mite! Back to AEW. Dynamite. It's one of those shows, ladies gentlemen. Oh, good God. Well, we were back outside the building, and again, the front door, it looked the stairs up to this old historic auditorium.

The building looks fine. there was no people jerry there were the people jerry there was literally nobody on the streets the front steps it's just an empty building with this fucking knucklehead wheeler useless with no shirt on and his wrestling tights out on the sidewalk where there was no people so it looked bizarre and as the guy said he looked like a used vinyl store clerk stripped to the waist maybe he's delivering the naked wines. What do you think? That would have been a reason to be out on the street. It looked like, is the city closed? That's my first fall. That's what he looks like they had thrown a police cordon around this entire block to, so you would think that it was, the front

steps looked like the final scene in, in, in, time enough at last, the Twilight Zone episode with Burgess Meredith. The world has come to an end. He's sitting on the steps of the library. He walks in and the camera follows him into the arena, the over-the-shoulder shot. It looks like the Evansville Coliseum. It's a hundred-year-old building. And it's small. And they've accentuated that by walking us through the whole thing and showing us that it's in a goddamn neighborhood. And that's why I said earlier, the WWE, you get the drone shot or this hell of a handheld over the Jay Uso shoulder

when he goes down to this sea of people, here you got a lone cameraman following an indie guy into a barn. So what? If he's supposed, useless is supposed to be on the outs or sideways in some way with Moxley and the rest of a bunch anyway, have him come down the entrance.

Have him commit the cardinal sin, dress in the locker room. What the fuck is going on? Well, he didn't have issues with Moxley before the match, did he? Well, he's always the whipping boy and the guy that they take advantage of and they push him around.

And then he started to accept it. I didn't realize until this match that we had a new problem. Well, he liked it. It was a tension. See, he comes from a broken home. His mother wanted a girl and his father wanted a boy and they were both satisfied. But they have this match with him and

Edge because now Wheeler is the only one left. Edge has cave the brains in of Claudio, and I think Pac, and they got Willow to commit homicide on Marina Schaefer because a guy can't hit a girl in the head with a fucking folding chair like Paul Bunyan, but it's okay if a girl does it. So now they're all injured, all of Dick the boozer's boor horsemen except for Wheeler here. So Edge is going to go through him. And he did. It took him 10 minutes before he spared him, one, two, three.

So if he needs 10 minutes to beat Wheeler, I guess he's going to need four days to beat Moxley. But afterward, Edge pulls Wheeler up to his feet and shakes his hand and says, this is what respect looks like. And then walks out. So there's Wheeler standing there, and then here comes Dick the boozer into the ring. And he's yelling at him, and he's pie-faced him, and he fucking be rating him and he's screaming.

And this whole production takes place where he's just abusing this guy. And people are, you know, they want to see the underdog turn on authority. So they started Wheeler, Wheeler. And Wheeler kind of minorly pie faces Moxley and stalks out of the ring and goes to the back. And the boozer follows him. He like missed the pie face. He didn't get it full on. face yeah well because he was intimidated he didn't want a potato moxley he was afraid

moxley beat him up he looked like a scared little kid and that after the people were getting behind him if he'd really shoved the fuck out of him and fucking took off he'd had something but instead he's a fucking wimp and boozer followed him to the back and yeah keep walking keep walking yeah you've been as euda is leaving he's going yeah but he's and then Moxley cut the promo to the camera. All right, Cope, you did it. I'm all alone. You've taken them all out.

But then he cut the normal promo about how he's going to drink, edges, bones. And, I mean, if his job is to sound like the raving serial killer testifying in court, he kind of nails that, but it's so over the top for wrestling. and he just looks so sad and pathetic and his work is so bad and pathetic and it makes me so mad.

Delirious was a more coherent promo than Moxley, but that was this segment again, everybody, every group, every team has people that are mad at each other that are on it. Have you noticed? It can't just be one. the only ones that have evolved, or not evolved, but evaded, some kind of indie booking pollution has been the Hurt Syndicate.

But I don't know. You think Cope's getting the belt? And do you think Christian's going to cash in? But then where would that? Nobody is clamoring to see Christian Cage be the world champion. They might momentarily cheer for Edge becoming the champion. just because, hey, we like Edge, kind of, and Jesus Christ, somebody beat Moxley, thankfully. But then you've got a 51 or 3-year-old champion that just came off a broken leg.

And who's his next promo set up with, or program set up with? With simpler hair color, he may look as young as 40. He always had blonde hair. He doesn't anymore. Well, but you can't, it's not as jarring when somebody goes from blonde to gray as from when they go from like Bill Superstar Dundee Jet Black to Gray. You think we see Danielson? What do you think is going to happen here?

I mean, it's such a positive thing the last few weeks one by one as each member of the death riders got killed off. It was like, man, I'm starting to like this show a little more. What do you think the next step is? Do you think Danielson's going to come back and cost Moxley? do you care enough that you put any thought into it? I've put no thought into it except that this is literally now the title picture is being dominated by the Over the Hill Gang.

That's what got me though. When Moxley said, I think he said in the promo, I'm the world champion. And it's like, you know, it hit me when I realize he's the world champion. Look at everything happening over at WWE. Their main feud is Adam Copeland versus John Moxley. It just seems like two different worlds. Well, speaking of a different world, we go back to the alley,

back to the back alley, ladies gentlemen, Renee Moxley-Good, with MJF, he's in the same place, screaming for hang-nail page to show up. And it, again, it looks so low rent to begin with that they're just out there, there's not even a three-story building in sight. and then suddenly Paige drives up behind him in another one of those goofy trucks with the bullhorns and jumps out and chases.

MJF passed the TV trucks into the back of the arena, in the dark, grabs him kind of at the gorilla position, drags him into the arena, throws him down in the entranceway, and a guy turns over, It's not MJF, it's some guy dressed like MJF, it's screaming, He made me do it! He made me do it! As Page is standing there, well, how can this alchemy occur that I grabbed MJF and now, lo and behold! And verily, it is not that knave and varlet.

Why did I suddenly go back to the Middle Ages? And suddenly, MJF levels Page from behind and throws him into the ring and is going to give him the heat seeker, but Paige shoves him off and takes the time to take his jacket off and then go for the buckshot. So when he goes for the buckshot, MGF meets him with a kick to the balls. And then he gives him the heat seeker and takes his jacket off and the shirt says MJF did nothing wrong. Because again, that is

the reasoning behind MJF's turning of the fans is that the fans turned on him, started cheering for other people, which would be valid in there's valid logic in there somewhere around all of this.

But nevertheless, he tried to get more heat on page, but Page was covering up and blocking everything so it looked like shit because he didn't have a target and i know i've mentioned this before but it a lot of people are saying well yeah you would cover up in a fight not if you're knocked goofy and you can't cover up in a fight that's the idea of kicking a fucking dead horse that's the idea of beating a man when he's down the guy's already down he's helpless and you're beating him up and then if if you are allowed to

a target you can work and your shit looks good, or it should, without the other guy blocking it and you can't, you don't have a target, or then you're trying to pull because you don't want to throw a punch at a guy's head and have him put his hand up in between and your fist hits his wrist and drives his hand into his own nose and breaks his fucking nose. That's why guys historically were always pissed and considered it. an insult to their work if they got on a guy and a guy was flinching and covering up all the time. Say, open up, give me a fucking target, idiot.

Watts did that to me in the Superdome. When I was begging off from fucking Y.D. And I turned around and I didn't realize Watts was so close. And when I turned around, he legitimately did startle me. And I jumped and moved on when he slapped me. And he's like, goddamn, Carney? Or, is Cornett then? I wasn't corny yet.

God damn it, Cornett, open up. So I'll let him slap me again. Have I made that point, Brian? You made points. I made it. There's been words. The point of open up and don't make guys heat look like shit, give him a target, but the guy has to be able to work.

So then here comes three. three or four security guys into the ring. They must have gotten there late because there was a goddamn attempted murder here a little while ago. Nothing happened. But then MJF, he just hit him with forearms and boom, and they took a bump and rolled out, and you never saw them again. Again, they weren't killed. They weren't murdered.

and there's only three of them. We know there's going to be more here in a little while. Hold on. They've got an excuse for this. MJF puts on the ring, but Paige is back up and leg dives him and throwing punches at him. But MJF gets up and hits Page with the ring and knocks him out. And gets the microphone.

It goes, well, you like and you cheer for Adam Page when he burns shit. How are y'all going to feel when I burn shit? it. And then he goes under the ring and gets a jar, a can of lighter fluid. And he actually does get into the ring and starts squirting the lighter fluid on Adam Page, like he's going to set him on fucking fire. And where are the guards that he killed with one punch two minutes ago, Ian Rickabani, who was there, thankfully on commentary, said, well, he knocked out some of the guards and the other securities with Moxley, doing what, having a beer? And then MGF, he squirted the fluid all over at a page, and he starts flicking a lighter.

And suddenly, the referees and at least a dozen security guards all of the at the same time, instantly swarm him and tackle him and they're on top of him like goddamn secret service agents. And they carried him out screaming. I just want to prove my point. I think this was worse than the dinner dance with Jericho as far as just making him. Oh, whoa. How much phonier could anything be than this?

He wasn't going to set a guy on fire. The thing was so... Well, I had the hope. But no, I don't have that hope. This, because it makes MJF as bullshit as the rest of everybody here and is goofy and his outlaw indie, as laughable. The one thing he had that set him apart at the start was the people couldn't see through him. They believed he was legitimately a prick.

he was the heel, that he was, he never broke character, as the kids say. He was, he did great stuff, and then they slowly chipped away at it until now he's just one of these fucking morons. And the angles take so long, there's no urgency. It's not like, I mean, if you watch porn, but the guy, is fucking Sika at the pace of two pumps per minute you're going to hit the

goddamn fast forward button there's no there's nothing it's there's no urgency there's no violence there's no mayhem there's no chaos that's what set the hello that's what sets Sika apart

yes that's what sets Sika apart that's what set Seth and fucking punk apart with their pull apart the other night on Raw. They looked like they were fighting and people were trying to stop it and they wanted to kill each other

and people were trying to stop it. And they didn't go for goddamn 15 fucking minutes or at a snail's pace. And that's what these angles are so phony. There's so many holes in them. They take so long you can see through them.

There's no urgency to them. There's no reason to raise the fan's blood pressure. It's just the intensity. of the next stunt. And so here's something somebody else said that I saw on Twitter. When I was talking about who I, Orton the other night, did like seven or eight RKO's in a row. And I said any time that you do a big move or a great move or whatever, a number of times right in a row, you give people multiple chances to see through it.

and the response is somewhat diminished. Here's a great way to put it. Somebody said this on Twitter, said, magicians say, one time is a trick, twice is a lesson. And I like that.

I just wanted to stick that in. That is good. What are your thoughts on this whole fucking thing with MJF and the lighter fluid? He's an arsonist. Well, clearly, Adam Page is going to go over at the pay-per-view. Because he didn't get lit on fire, and now he has a reason to be mad, because someone wanted to light him on fire.

Adam Page is all for lighting structures on fire, but not people. That's a step too far. Come on, baby, light my fire? They used a flamethrower, so why... That's another thing. Why couldn't he pull the flamethrower out from under the ring? Because they've already used that, and they set the other fucking Yehu on fire. My first thought when MJO started going for the flicker was, is Adam Page covered

and that stuff they covered Cody in when they let him on fire. When I realized he wasn't, I'm like, oh, he's not lighting him on fire. I thought this wasn't as bad as you did. I think the lighting him on fire clearly, he was not going to burn him to death on live TV. But beyond that, I didn't think it was terrible. But that's a big thing to get past. So otherwise than the attempted illegal emulation, the rest of it wasn't too good or too bad. Either or. Either or. Either or. I mean, the other thing is the scenes outside, it's weird when you have like outside scenes and you see like vegetation. Like, I just didn't feel like the outside of a building and Renee's out there. So now it's like what's going on? It's like behind the Eddie Graham fucking building. Well, yeah, it was like you were going to see the boys with one of those egg grills having a fucking cookout next to the production truck. Yeah, I was waiting for just a group of kids to walk home from school right behind the camera. Because it was daylight too. It wasn't a, a, man.

I mean, here it was dark, but over there it was daylight. So it was... Yeah, well, they were on West Coast time. It was like 6 o'clock at evening or whatever. So it just looked like, you know, after school. Here we are, an after school special AEW down the street. That's what... That's what they should have brought Jericho in to do the schoolhouse rock deal.

He could have been on the front steps going... They call me a bill, and I'm sitting here on Capitol Hill. Maybe they could have brought them out to do scared. straight. This is what will happen to you if you don't grow up. Boy, now that may have, that may have worked. You know what? They ought to go back and do a network special on all the kids that got scared straight back in the 70s. And look it up, young people. They had prisoners and inmates talk to kids and scare them straight and put it on TV. I bet if you went back and looked at those kids that got scared

straight. They were probably all gang members and rapists and fucking wife beaters, goddamn drug addicts. We don't know this to be a fact, but it is an interesting idea to see where they are now. What do you think of it? If your parents say, well, as a disciplinary measure, I'm going to expose you to the worst criminal element of society. It's going to tell you all the bad things are going to happen to you. So you don't think anyone got scared straight? I think they scared them so far. They fucking went around a complete lap. They got straightening, they got crooked again. Then they say, you know what?

Fuck my mom and dad for fucking making me go through this. These fucking guys, at least they looked like they got some pussy every now and then. And off they went into the world of gangs. Well, this has been the MJF Adam Page segment review here on the show. And then we came to, okay, they figured out a way to make Tony Storm's gimmick work. They actually put her at a fucking movie. there was Lexineer. At least it wasn't Marvez, good God.

With Ash Avildson, our friend the director, you goes wrong show fans, and screenwriter of Queen of the Ring and Tony Storm, at least her gimmick worked here. She legitimately is a movie star and a movie, but they did, she did her accent, and Ash did a, bit with her, and I don't really know how to even paraphrase this or describe it in any way.

Otherwise, then they were, they were plugging the movie and Tony Storm was doing her gimmick. She's very good at the gimmick. Apparently, they did some kind of angle on one of the red carpets for the movie where Mariah may attack Tony Storm. Yes, and the blood is what turned the carpet red. What are your thoughts on that, though? Are you for that or against that? the idea if you have a wrestler is in a movie and she's going to be doing red carpet events doing an angle

in front of all the media that would be. Well, I'm never against, under the right circumstances, I'm never against the concept of doing an angle. No matter where the time or place, it has to be, depending on what the angle is and who's in it. However, having said that before I would validate this, I might have to see the angle. Just to, you know, again, Tony Storm had something. with this until it just went just too far? Would that be just a catch-all phrase? It's, well, the thing, hold on, they did another thing here at a few minutes.

Let's just talk about that. Because Renee Moxley-Good was sitting down with Maria May and Tony Storm later on. And as soon as Renee says, thank you guys for sitting down here today and agreeing to no physicality, Maria stands up and just spits in Tony Storm's face. And in Tony says, it's nice to know you still care. Otherwise, she doesn't move a muscle. And they proceeded to do the most ridiculous acting in quotation marks that I've ever seen. It's like they're letting out all of their aspirations of doing parodies of lifetime movies.

I mean, they're exhibiting, especially Maria Too. some element of talent in being able to say all this shit. But it's just ridiculous, isn't it? I mean, I'm not a big fan of the stuff on wrestling that's overly theatrical like that at this point. Tony Storm is more committed than most, and her stuff tends to be... She may should be committed. Her stuff's over until the bell rings, and she's good in the ring. I'm not saying she isn't, but, you know, they still haven't been able to overcome

come for the most part the fan apathy in AEW when the women are in the ring. But her gimmicks over and her personality and promos are over. She got a big pop when she revealed that she was still timeless. Maybe they could make Ash like her full-time director. You have Ash following her around and telling her what to do. I don't know. I think he's got a better chance with Queen of the Ring winning an Oscar in that respect. But is that the thing?

is it that the stuff that's going to get over in AEW now is basically the silly wrestling because they are down to that indie audience that just wants silly fucking wrestling and that's what they've got and that's all they're going to get. And that's the point of this show

that we're continuing to talk about is I think there's nobody they can sign to make a difference. I don't see any genius angle that they can come up with or match that they can promote that's going to make any difference to, you know, to spike anything. Can you?

And I don't even know if that's their biggest problem. I think the bigger problem is that long term, WWE is doing everything they can to lock down the industry away from Tony Kahn, everything. I mean, I'm talking about infiltrating podcasts. I'm talking about doing everything they can, locking down indie talent at the most basic of levels, locking down schools. They're doing everything they can. Churches?

Again, what are you doing a wrestling war? With the NWA versus Georgia, they never ran out of talent, the NWA. Georgia did. And it's a little bit of a different dynamic. You don't have a conglomeration of, to use the term, wrestling promoters, working together. You just have one with a lot of money and a desire to own everything in the space. That's, again, it goes back to the frustrations with Tony Khan. It's Tony Khan's wrestling company. That will be a distant number two, unless AEW does things to change things at the top

and they're never going to. It's a frustrating ordeal to kind of watch. I think that's the problem. Well, speaking of frustrating to watch, Thunder Rose and Chris Stathlander versus Penelope Pitstop and Megan Brain. And I said, okay, how watch for a second? Seafus turns into a shoot and Thunder Rosa stretches somebody. And it didn't and she didn't. So apparently all has been forgiven from these two nitwits exposing the business a week or two ago.

I don't know, but I'll tell you, that Megan Bain, I looked it up. I think she's like 6'1. She's got a look at an aura and she's not bad in the ring. WWE should have been all over her. Like, how did she slip by that somebody that looks like that doesn't just come around every day? There must be something wrong with her. Yeah, I hate to say it because it would need a build and they would have to do things a little differently. You know, it would be the perfect opponent for her down the road, someone who's tall and big,

and if you let her talk, she may get over as a good person as opposed to a heel. Camille. Camille! what are what kind of what kind of private hell are you sentencing camille to i wonder with what what may be wrong i mean you're right if w w v didn't see her know she was there that's surprising if they did and they passed that means there's got to be something wrong somewhere is she an idiot or we'll find out that's her first but that's that stopped w w a i heard they were going to sign this wrestler, but he's a real idiot.

Well, I mean, you know, there's certain types that, you know, you don't want to go down that road. Anyways, what, speaking of idiots, what did Max Castor do to these people? They never really bury anybody on purpose. A lot of people get buried, but it's all accidental. They just don't know any better. But they have taken this guy and made him look like the biggest fucking idiot. it's almost like it's that's their this is not accidental they've done it a lot accidentally but

this is not accidental he was part of the hottest team in the company everybody loved his wraps everybody loved the scissoring they completely tore that all apart they lost their billy gun he turned on his partner anthony bowens and now he comes out and tries to get people to chant that he's the best wrestler alive. And nobody gives a shit and they hoot at him. And then they send out Jay White, who beats him with one move, one, two, three,

and then cuts a promo about how Edge is going to beat Moxley while Castor is laying there selling and groveling. And this is not the first time. They've made him look like an idiot when he comes out trying to say he's the best wrestler alive and this whole thing that that he's got a trademark in a frame that's obviously not

going to work. Nobody gives a shit. The fans are not reacting to him otherwise, please go away. What did he do? I think there's maybe something he's enjoying, I don't know. They think he's going to get over

by proclaiming himself as the greatest wrestler alive and losing every match quick. It is entertaining because it's quick. I'm entertained by it. I'm not going to lie. I'm entertained by it. It wasn't so enthused when Jay White came out.

You're a sadist. And then we get Jay White's promo about Edge winning the title. Well, yeah. So then, and we already talked about, the girls sit down and spitting session. And then, actually, if, you know, if Tony Storm and Maria Mayboy just sit there and spit on each other, I bet they could raise some money on Onlyfans for that.

They gave it away for free. But the main event was scheduled for, well, it wasn't just scheduled, it indeed turned out to be, Swerve Strickland and Brody King versus Okada and Rikoshae. So you got swerve the baby face with the baby face manager, Prince Nana, teeming up with the, I get he's a baby face now because he's a member of the Hounds of Hell. They repackaged him and who's he, what's he? What's his partner's name? Buddy.

Because Malachi left. So they became the Hounds of Hell. Then they brought him out as a team and beat him. And then they brought Brody out as a single and beat him. No, Buddy is a single and beat him. So they're taking on Okada, the guy that has a heel manager that never actually manages him anymore. Because, wait, he was a member of the family, wasn't he? What family?

Who are you talking about? Wasn't Okada in the family at one point that he went with the, no, I'm sorry. It was take a shit that was in the family. Okada went with the bucks. Then the bucks left. Okada's a heel, but now he's teamed up with ricochet, who used to be a baby face, but now he's a heel, and he just got stabbed in the head with scissors. But he still got to wrestle in the main event.

Is this a fucking rib? I was surprised when I realized that the guy who was stabbed with scissors is wrestling in the main event. Yes, and they were, they were calling it a preview of revolution because you got swerve and ricochet both in the ring with each other. They were in the ring with each other one guy stabbed the other guy in the fucking head. Well, it's also a preview because we're getting Okada versus Buddy at the pay-per-view. But Buddy wasn't in here. It's Brody.

I meant Brody, excuse me, O'Connor versus Brody at the pay-per-view. Well, then, well, big shit. Okada versus anybody but a mortician is not something I want to see. And I watched a little bit of it. The bell didn't ring until seven minutes till 10, but I'm always tempted to watch Okada's matches to see if at some point he just falls apart. It just shit falls off. An arm falls off.

A leg falls off. or if he just creeps across the ring with his little steps with his hunch-shouldered stance and lightly taps on somebody, it's embarrassing. But after one minute of nothing happening, immediately they broke into a four-way and they rolled out on the floor. They were on the floor endlessly because the corpse referee was in charge, which means they really don't have a referee. And they did about three minutes on the floor and went to the break at three minutes till 10. So they could come back at 10 o'clock and sap the modern family audience. And it was a rotten tag team match because these aren't teams.

They didn't mesh. Okada is embarrassingly bad and senile. And at 1007, ricochet hit swerve with the fucking title belt and pinned him one, two, three after a fairly phony-looking finishing sequence that made the referee look like an idiot along with the rest of the wrestlers in the ring. And that was the main event. Well, there it is, Jim.

Another AEW Dynamite, another episode, the Go Home episode for the big AEW Revolution pay-per-view, which we will be reviewing on the drive-thru this coming week. You know what the problem is with Okada, poor old fella? Oh, back on you? He just didn't plan ahead. He didn't plan ahead. He didn't have a backup plan.

That's why he's out there now when every time he's so broken down, every time he falls down, takes a bump, dust shoots out his sphincter. He's just a shell of his former self because he didn't plan ahead. He didn't have a business that he could fall back on with the greatest commerce platform in a whole ding-dong world. He did not go to our friends at Shopify, and now that's why. he's in a position he's in where the poor old thing has to be beat on like a like an old rug hanging on a line in a backyard because he wasn't ready to to grow his business to go to the home of the

number one checkout on the planet to go to shopify to make some money make sure that his carts weren't going abandoned because he looks like he's been abandoned abandoned by his doctors abandoned by his family abandoned by people that care about him he just looks like he's laying around in a back alley somewhere wasting away to nothing and that's what's going to happen to you too people out there if you don't have Shopify in your corner when the corporate conglomerate takeover of the world happens you got to have a big brother to take care of you and Shopify they've got tentacles they reach all over the world they can sell I

to Eskimos, they can sell sun tan lotion of people living on the equator, and they can sell whatever it is that you're trying to pawn off on the unsuspecting public. Brian, you know this is true. You get just any kind of dog and pony show to you. The Pet Rock. Shopify could have made the guy that came up with the Pet Rock a billionaire. Instead of Elon Must now, we'd be dealing with the guy that came up with the Pet Rock, because it's all about your platform, Brian. It's all about who's selling your stuff. It's all about who's making the conversions. It's all about

who, well, you know it. You know it's true. It's all about you want to get your product among, among, in front of the most amount of eyes, the most amount of potential customers is possible. And with Shopify, you can do that. And you want to have that platform

taking those people's money just like that. Just sticking their hand in their pocket and pulling the money out of these people's pants. No, no, no, no. I wouldn't say I wouldn't say it like that at all. They got to be fighting. They're accepting the money that is given to them for your fine products that you are selling with Shopify. Yeah, and you better turn that money over too if you know what's good for you because Shopify, they got friends.

And if you don't part with at least part of your money, they're going to make sure that some of your parts don't go back together the same way. That is not what Shopify will do. Shopify is on the up and up and up and up and your business will be going up and up and up and away. with sales. And some people might be going away for three to five years for what they do to you. No one is going away from one. No one involved with Shopify.

I don't know what you're doing your personal life. Well, no, they contract this out. It won't be Shopify, plausible deniability. It'll be somebody named Frank or Joe. There are no contracts. No contracts, no buttons, just your items on Shopify. Get the, get out. Just do it.

You get in front of the most customers you can with Shopify. That's what I'm saying, Jim. Just get out there and mingle amongst them. And boom, and your cash registers. Your cash registers will be kachinging with the money that you'll be making. And it won't cost you anything because we can get you a $1 a month trial period. If you don't believe the things that we are saying is true, or we are saying is true, or we is saying are true.

A lot of people don't think it be like it is, but it do. But Shopify will only charge you a $1 a month trial period. If you go to Shopify.com slash JCE, that's all lowercase, by the way, that JCE. And you can upgrade your selling today and see how wonderful they are and how that they will make people turn over a significant portion of their income just to be left alone from you. if you have Shopify in your corner.

No, again, I wouldn't, no, I wouldn't phrase it like that. You will be- Well, you ought to open a business where you say, I will leave you alone if you'll pay me money. There are certain people that could make that go. I don't think that business is a legitimate thing. Some press agents I know actually may call all that a business, but that is not a legitimate business that they will be selling

or helping you sell or being involved in any way. Let's talk about your business. Let's talk about what you could sell. Let's talk about the customers, a pleasant experience, easy to track, Shopify, without any more trouble. What's that promo code, Jim? JCE!

Let's talk about Shopify. Okay, I don't know what that was, but that's right, Shopify.com slash JCE. So, do they sell the Nielsen ratings on Shopify's incredible number one checkout on the planet and incredibly successful commerce platform, or do the ratings come out in another way? I think if you could buy the ratings,

Tony Kahn would certainly spend the money. He loves spending, although they are cutting some of the roster we hear this past week, but AEW Dynamite March 5th on TBS 8 to 1008 p.m., according to WrestleMania, on average,

watched by 600,000 viewers. Oh, even. Dead even. And even Stephen this week. Well, at least they got back up to 600,000. That's been a struggle for in the past few weeks. But now, as always, the devil is in the details and the entertainment is in where they started and where they finished. Well, and let me just say, because I'm reading WrestleManiaomics's report here,

the story this week is the key demo. it's the lowest in dynamite history in the normal time slot the previous low was October 8th last year but that was a show that started at 9 p.m. And NXT was on for half the show. Now in a lot of the country, NXT was against this

because it had been preempted the night before because of the president's speech to Congress. So, but still the lowest ever. So we'll discuss that a little bit as we go through this. Jim, here are the quarter hours. These were compiled by WrestleMania.

Quarter one, 8 to 8.15 p.m., the MJF outdoor promo, and the swerve-strickland-Rickshaw contract signing, 694,000 viewers. Okay, that is markedly lower than normal, which means that... according to the average, they're not going to,

they're not going to fall that precipitously this week. Is this one where only the most devoted came, but they stayed? And now I'm looking at this, and I got to wonder how much of it is an NXT issue. The quarter one key demo was 198,000 viewers. That is well off the 90-day trend line. They're never that low. Lately, sometimes they get into the 100s at the end of the dollar. dynamite, but to start it off like that, I have to think that's NXT, chipping away at the

younger view. Which again, though, that makes your question, how did they get 694 if they lost so many of their other viewers, how high would they have been? But let's go to quarter two, 815 to 8.30 p.m. And ad break, Powerhouse Hobbs and the conglomeration and Will Osprey versus Brian Keith and the Don Callis family, with picture and picture ads, 563. thousand viewers. Oh, Jesus Christ! 171 in the key demo, 18 to 49.

But they lost 131,000 people, which is not unusual after the first quarter, but not when they start with under 700,000 to begin with, and how, without going drastically upward, are they going to hit their

average here? You don't have another question. question. We've asked that in the last several weeks, last few months, how much of their audience isn't into Swerve Strickland anymore? We've seen the main event matches with him at the end of the show die in the ratings. He was in the first quarter and people tuned out right away for the second quarter. But we go down to quarter three, the continuation of that match, 830 to 845 p.m. and the post-match with Kyle Fletcher and the Takeshita video 645,000 viewers. Okay, and they just gained 37, 70, 82,000, which never happens.

There has not been a quarter since we have been reviewing this, that they gained 82,000 people after losing, so that's got to be, a significant amount of people switching back and forth, depending on what's on NXT, does it not? That's the only thing, I think, for a wrestling audience that would cause it like that. We got a quarter four. To lose 130 and then gain 80-something. That doesn't happen.

We got a quarter four, 845 to 9 p.m. An ad break, and the start of Cope versus Wheeler Yuda with picture and picture, 584,000 viewers. And then to turn around and lose almost an equivalent amount, this is a ping pong match at this point. They're switching back and forth some segment of 100,000 or so

to see what the fuck is going on with the other show. Well, we go now to quarter five. The big 9 o'clock hour 9 to 9.15 p.m. The continuation of Cope versus versus Yuta, the post match with Moxley, the Outrunners video, MJF's promo outdoors, and then the MJF Adam Page, lighter fluid angle, 667,000 viewers. Jesus Christ, okay, now they're up. Wait a minute, they started at 694, they lost 131,000. then they gained 82,000. Then they lost 61,000 and now they've just gained 83,000.

So they're almost back to where they started at. This is the most unique pattern that they've had in, potentially in history. We go now out of quarter six, 915 to 9.30 p.m. The Tony Storm backstage promo, the Megan Bain and Penelope Ford versus Chris Stathlander and Thunder Rosa match with Picture and Picture, 579,000 viewers. Oh, damn it, and now, 6,7, 87, 80, they just lost 88,000, and from here on, looking at making that average, we got to have a significant drop. We go now to quarter 7, 9.30 to 9.45 p.m. The continuation of Bain and Ford versus Statlander and Rosa. The Mercedes Monet backstage promo.

The Max Caster promo. Jay White versus Caster. The Tony Stormoram-Mariame backstage angle. And an ad break. 596,000 viewers. Well, they picked back up. up, there's another 17,000.

This is a very odd pattern to say the least. And Jim, finally, quarter eight, we have an eight-minute overrun. 9.45 to 10 p.m. Okada and Ricochet versus Brody King and Swerve Strickland with picture and picture.

519,000 viewers. Oh! Eight-minute overrun. 505,000 viewers. So that match ended up losing a total of 91,000 people. And they still, they went back and forth in the middle, but they still managed to finish up 189,000 people down from where they started. I thought for a while they had some promise there.

Very interesting. And a lot of this has to be, the NXT opposition until, what, quarter seven, and then when they saw what they were going to get for a main event, they just said, fuck it. It's very interesting. It's very interesting how it affected the key demo. Again, key demo was males 18 to 49.

This is the lowest in show history. 198, 171, 191, 163, 181, 155, 161, 142, 155, 151, 142, 154 for the overall the fact that they lost their I mean then it was everyone I mean it got kind of like collision numbers but they lost a lot of the younger viewers who chose NXT over there or chose something else

because it wasn't every market I guess well the combined age of the main event on the pay-per-view this weekend is what 90 Moxley's 40 right you ought to be the age is a bit over 50 unless they want to try simpler hair color.

It'll change everything. But that was AEW Dynamite. Well, you know, I think judging from this, do you think that it's time that Tony Kahn maybe is coming to a point of realization that, boy, I'm in the soup here, my viewers are eroding.

I can't sell tickets to the live events. People aren't interested in my talent because the booking is all over the place. Do you think Tony is finally, come to grips with that and is being honest with himself and going to try to do something about it? No. No. I think Tony's going to double down on his leadership. I think Tony will double down on his creative skills. And Tony will tell you everything is great. And of course, we have examples apparently. Jace Nakarado has put together some notes here from the Tony Khan Media Call for AEW Revolution.

Let's go to some of the questions here. We have a question about the improved quality of the show and what Tony attributes that to. Have you thought a lot about the improved quality of dynamite? I would attribute it to psychedelic drugs on behalf of the viewer. I didn't hear from Bill Bodkin with the pop break and he'll be followed by Bill Pritchard from Russell Zone. Bill writes,

You mentioned the improved quality of dynamite and colloquy. in your upfront remarks. What do you attribute this marked improvement to? That's a great question. I think there was five years ago around the same time on the path to the original revolution. I made a lot of New Year's resolutions to myself and I felt like the television in January, February, and into March, five years ago around the original revolution, was better. And some of the best television we ever did. And every week we delivered a great show. We never took the foot off the gas pedal. And I think there are many elements that make a wrestling show great.

And I made a promise to myself five years ago around New Year's going into 2020 at the end of 2019 that we were going to deliver great shows every week. And really the big thing I told myself, this is no secret. I said it back then. So you can go back to look at the interviews. I told myself, if I don't like something, and somebody pitches me an idea. I'm not going to be nice anymore. I'm just going to tell them, no, I'm not going to do it.

I'm sorry. And I have really pushed back on a lot of stuff in recent months where a large percentage of what you're seeing is being hampton by me. And that is the exact same thing that I did five years ago. And it worked really, really down well. Hold, hold on. Hold on. Hold up. Hold up.

So basically what he's just said is five years ago, I made a new. year's resolution i'm going to try to start doing a good show every week and and i guess by implication but yeah later on i quit doing that so now it's five years later but i'm promising myself to do it again what is he fucking talking about what is great about any of this and why does it take him five years to think oh i should do more great stuff and and why did he come to the original original realization, yeah, I should try to do a really good TV every week. Like, that's something that is a revolutionary thought. You know, most weeks, I'm just going to try to get by, and maybe every once in a while I'll

suck. Help me, Brian. I don't know how to help you. The idea that he's the one shooting down ideas, because he believes in his ideas. And the big lesson of AEW is he should go back to when he took full control of the creative. and, you know, guys have always had input. And Tony's saying that any, again, the question was about improved quality of the show. He's saying the improved quality of the show is because he went back to his mindset of,

I'm in charge, I'm writing the show alone. So it all goes back to his belief in his ability to write a wrestling show. Go ahead. And I realized that's probably what I should do going into this revolution because it works really well for the first one. And I never meant to look back, but, you know, a lot of times you try things, you get into habits. And I really like working with people. And most of, most of AEW is about collaboration. And that's really one of the things that makes AEW stand out. And there's times where I've been too collaborative and just need to push back. And I think in this, you know, past couple

months and five years ago at the same time, you saw that. And the product was for the best shows we've done. week in, week out five years ago. And I think we've gotten that kind of quality going again. I love the idea that he thinks, you know, like, where was he too nice as a collaborator when he said, sure, Miro, I'll hire your wife and let you guys do whatever weird shit you guys want to do on the fucking show. I'm not exactly sure. And again, he's acknowledged all along that everything's great.

Now he's kind of saying, well, things are great now because I'm going back to when things were great five years ago. He wishes he could go back to those numbers, by the way, that he had five years ago, because they were almost double what they are now, but go ahead. You wouldn't know, so I sometimes see people who haven't clearly watched the show talking about it, but I think the people who are watching it week in, week out right now are very, very happy with the quality of the AW dynamites on Wednesdays, the collisions on Saturdays. And one thing we've consistently done, from the beginning of,

A.W is great pay-per-view. We never got away from that. Last year was the best here on pay-per-view, I believe show to show to show we've ever done. I don't think we've ever done more great pay-per-views or been more consistent on pay-per-view. I made a promise to myself that I would try to carry over the same level of detail and precision to the television. I said it five years ago I would do it, but that was when we were just doing dynamite. Detail and precision? detail and precision what the fuck

whether it's not knowing the building codes details when they put up their fake walls or just all of the details that we point out why does any of this make sense and who could follow this and the string of I get great paper views because they have indie garbage matches

involving blood drinking and barbed wire on every pay-per-view and for the audience that he's already got and he's one of them, that's great stuff. But for everybody else that's not watching because it's hokey, indie horseshit with people that are either not stars or stars that have been made meaningless by the booking, didn't matter what kind of fucking match you have. And that's another part of the problem. He genuinely believes, like old Uncle Dave, who at least,

can use senility as some level of defense mitigating factor, Tony believes that these fucking hokey ass indie bullshit matches are really great wrestling matches. And as long as he can't see the problem there, nothing's going to change. But I digressed. Let's go back to Tonycom. a very different setup now with the importance of dynamite and collision. And it was really important to me to make the collision shows great week and week out, which I just think we're on this fantastic run of collision shows going back. In particular, really through the Continental Classic, I thought there were so much fantastic stuff on TV in December,

but a lot of the TV in December was the Continental Classic. And it was fantastic. So I really love those shows, but it's hard, especially when there was one less week than the year before. I wanted to not subtract from the Continental Classic. I wanted it to be better than the year before. I think it was even better, or at least every bit is great. And it's one of the real highlights in the history of A.A.W.

for me was how great this Continental Classic was. Brian, what was one match in that tournament? Name one match in that tournament. We watched the thing and take notes on it. This year's Continental Classic? Shelton Benjamin versus Commander. You're right. Okay.

I'm sorry. You always remember the posthous. I remember a second thing. How did Commander get into the tournament? Didn't somebody else fall on his head? Juice Robinson got hurt. That's right. Back to the great tournament. Juice Com.

Into that and realizing that our paper views in 24 were just fantastic. We did a lot of great TV shows. If we could just be as consistent on TV every week as we are on pay-per-view, even though that's a really tall task, 52 weeks a year, We can do anything. And I really believe the shows have just been fantastic. And I think if we keep putting on great shows every Wednesday on Dynamite on TBS and Max and put on great shows every Saturday for collision and continue what we have been doing going back a long time and all of last year, every paper view last year I thought was fantastic. I would watch any of them again and I would hold up any of them and say this is a great show.

and I think that's maybe the first year where I would hold up every pay-per-view and say every pay-per-view was just absolutely fantastic. 2021, I thought all the pay-per-views were also like that, but there were only four of them. So to maintain that quality with more pay-per-views

and develop the great-frame... Doesn't he have other things to do? There's just words. Words, words, words. I'm waiting for... I mean, this is still the same question. I'm just waiting for the... the answer to end. This is about the quality of the shows and what Tony attributes it to.

Verbal diarrhea. Chases we've added since 2021 and then have that quality maintain in 2024. I thought that was a really big deal. And now, just like we're doing more pay-per-views and we maintain that great quality, I think we can do more TV and maintain that great quality. And a lot of it is really about the right amount of collaboration, which is a lot of collaboration, but also sometimes means telling people no. And I really appreciate you asking because I think, like I said, our paper views last year were fantastic. And we did a lot of great TV shows.

And I think we can be as consistent on TV this year and have been that kind of consistency, especially the last few months. Thanks for asking. Thanks for finishing. Well, there's Tony. But here's the thing. So again, we've pointed out everything in excruciating detail that's wrong with his fucking dog and pony show.

And his response to how everything's been great is that, yeah, as long as he tells the right people know and does his own shit, everything's great. And we're going to try to continue to be great like we were great five years ago. And we're all great. And everything's great. Well, Jim, let's go back to Tony Kahn. There's more? There is indeed more.

Tony Kahn was asked about something we just talked about on the show. You talked a lot about it. the lack of AEW production meetings, or I guess the question was about overall, what's going on with these production meetings? Let's go to Tony Kahn's answer. Yeah, I meet with everybody involved several times a day in a couple different groups,

in a few different working groups. And I've got all of the commentators, I've got the top production people, led by Mike Mansoury and his group, and coaches. And I'll meet with them individually, and in groups. I'll get the production people and the commentators together.

I'll get with the individual coaches. The coaches will also meet with the production people and we'll go over things throughout the day. And like all processes in life, I think we're constantly looking at this. And when you depend on people, there's got to be good communication between people. And it's one of those things that I'm constantly looking at

and I want to do better with always and with everything. And like I do think it's a great process for us. And we've had great shows recently. And, you know, I'm very proud of the shows we've been putting on. And I think we have a great staff of people. And that's kind of how we do it. So I'll generally come in with an outline for what I'm looking for. We know who our top stars, our top rivalries are, where we're going.

We know big matches, big moments. And I've got a lot of ideas. And I'll get with a group of coaches, a group of producers and production people. and the announcers, and then we'll all come together. And it's possible that I'll meet with several of the groups as individual groups, and then they'll meet with each other, and then I'll get with them generally one-on-one. Let me stop for a moment. So he's meeting with groups, different groups, and then he breaks away and meets with the star of the group?

I mean, I don't know how that works. Well, okay, let's say, so he meets with, he tells him what he's thinking that's going to happen and then some talent in that segment comes and says we don't want to do that we want to do this okay well but then you got to get the other guys that are involved that are going to run in and tell that well then okay well now you got to go back to production and tell them what's happening now when all these running around back and forth modifying things leaves more opportunities for shit to get lost in translation or stuff to be overlooked because it was not all being discussed with all parties present. They didn't have the finish with all the talent specifically nailed down and then have the production meeting or vice versa, have the production meeting and then tell the talent how the finish is going to go. They're just all running around fucking revamping shit.

And that's what that's the easiest way to see what you're seeing is not even not to have a meeting, but to have too many meetings. Well, let's go back to Tony Con. Then I'll get before showtime, all the announcers and production people together. And it's, it's, you know, it's something I think has worked for us. And we've put on really, really good television. And I believe it had the most consistent shows weekend. week out. So that's kind of where we're going. I do think in all wrestling companies, and really in all sports companies, you get reports and anonymous reports and things like that.

But in this case, I thought some of the things I read were completely untrue, which is why then you saw people backtracking from the things they said pretty quick or putting out a totally different version of what they said. What was he talking about? Who backtracked on what? I have no idea. In terms of of the lack of production. I can't even turn my head that far. My neck is too bad. Yeah, I mean, in terms of lack of production meetings, I heard that from talent. So no one's backtracked for me. Well, that's the problem is he's probably having a bunch of these meetings and forget to tell everybody to join.

Saying, oh, I said, this is what I meant. And you get that a lot. And it's just part of sports. And, you know, when I was first breaking in 10, 12 years ago, I used to think about that stuff a lot more. But right now, I'm just focused on trying to do show. and eliminate those kinds of distractions. And when it comes to... When I was breaking into the sports biz, your dad gave you a fucking job. What do you mean when you were breaking in?

When I was working my way up in the mail room. When he was breaking in back in the old day, Boomingham, I remember Boomingham. One of my better towns. Meeting with everybody and brainstorming. We do a lot of that throughout the day. And that's really what the whole, days about these meetings. So I found the, I found some of that discourse to be amusing,

especially in the midst of the great quality, but I guess consider the source, right? Thanks for asking. Well, there we go. Thanks for asking is a great. And considering the great quality. If you hold these recent AEW televisions up to A.D. television from three years ago it doesn't even hold up and we found plenty wrong with it then i'm i'm just i can't i can't stomach any more of whether it's uncle dave or whether it's tony or whether it's any of these apologists well the matches are great no they're not it's just the w w e is so hot no it's not other company another company can be hot if it deserves it the WWE is hot, see the attitude era.

But these matches aren't great, and this booking isn't great, and it's not because the other company is hot, it's because the other company, the booking is great, and the talent is great. And that's why they're hot. And meanwhile, the other company has the stench of grizzly death because of all the chickens that have come home to roost, and they're pecking away at Tony's fucking bum.

Yeah, it's not that WWE's hot. It's that AEW is a lot more appealing when WWE is cold. But let's go back to Tony Kahn. I know there's another question coming up. Let's see if there's anything in between here. Thanks, Tony. Dave Meltzer with the Wrestling Observer. You're up next and you'll be followed by Jim Marseloom with the Miami Herald.

Dave. Hey, Dave. Dave, you got to unmute your line. We got to unmute. We got to unmute Dave, Dan. Oh, he's not even there in person. person? I thought it's a phone call.

The fuck. Oh, I thought it was one of these crummy scrums. Is he still a mute? Is he still? Can we help someone help Dave? Okay. I think him and I are hitting at the same time. Who's that?

Some mute woman. Can you hear me now? Gotcha, Dave. All right, thanks. Tony, yeah, I was just wondering, you know, in the last couple of weeks, We've been hearing about some of the guys that had been under contract. And I was wondering, you know, I'm talking about Starks and Black and Phoenix in Mero. And is it a change of philosophy for you as far as releasing guys under those circumstances?

Or is this like an individual case-by-case basis as far as the decisions on those particular four guys? Good question, Dave. It's a fair question. And I think some of it's in line with what I've been talking about. You know, I do think, to your point, it is a case-by-case basis. I think everything is really a case-by-case basis. So much, elize it a case-by-case basis. But I do think, philosophically, you're right.

It changed what I've been doing. But it just felt like the right thing for the company and everyone involved at this point. And that's the thinking behind that. But like I said, it's on a case-by-case basis. And they're all different situations. but in this case, those did have similar outcomes. So in the other case, it'll be case by case until we case the joint and then pack it away in the briefcase. And ask why now and why wouldn't have done that before?

And, you know, I just decided that's what I thought was the right thing to do at this point. But it's definitely fair to ask, but that's really all there was to it. Thanks, Dave. Well, I'm glad he was able to clear that up. It's definitely fair to ask. Why does he always have to, like, give his, like, that was definitely a good question. That was definitely a fair question at the end of all these. Ray Phoenix released.

We haven't talked about that. What are your thoughts? Here we are. A couple months in the Penthas run. And now his brother's been released. What do you do? Well, and I don't recall, and I don't know if it's public knowledge, how much time that he was committed to still serve there if he hadn't been released.

but I'm wondering if maybe Tony thought, well, his fucking guy, he's wanting to go anyway, and I've held him up long enough that they've already introduced Pinta, so I've kind of screwed up an introduction, so maybe now I've accomplished what I wanted, and I can just let him go, and I don't have to pay him anymore. Who knows what is going through any of these people's minds? but I wonder it's not really that late and Pinta hasn't been there that long and obviously they wanted both brothers so how quickly do you think that they can gear up into having a reason on WWE television for Pinta's brother to suddenly join him and potentially help him out in a two-on-one situation?

I would think they'd probably have some ideas, wouldn't they? I think they probably had ideas they were working on previously. I think the only problem would be, not that it's a problem, but I've really come to like Penta as a single. He stands out more, especially in WWE land. I wonder by just throwing him into a tag team, but we'll see what happens. Also, what would Phoenix do remarkably different from what they would do with Penta and then you've just got two people doing almost the same thing?

also apparently released or about to be released, whatever it may be, Abadon, Nick. Himalado. What? Abadon and Comerato, Solo, a go-go. That's from five years ago. Has he been paying these people to just exist? Also not being brought back, released, whatever exactly it may be, the brother, I forget the exact name now,

and I apologize, of Page, or that's not her name. anymore. Saraya. Is it Zach? One of her brothers. Zach Knight, isn't it? I believe so. Yeah, he apparently is not being brought back either.

But he had a contract? He was under contract, apparently. We haven't seen her in months. Oh, damn. Is it like, okay, six degrees of separation, everybody six degrees away from you gets a contract in your life. You know shits hit the fan when they release Angelico.

That's when you know, like, oh my God, he's still there. What? Holy Christ. These people have been getting checks. Good for them. You know, it really says something about the guys they haven't brought back. They really must have, like, like Jack Evans never returned. I brought up Anhelico and made me think of him.

He was there in the early days. And then they're like, you know, we've had enough of him. He's not coming back. We have one more question here, Jim, of Tony Kahn. and that is on John Sina turning heel and if he feels any creative pressure now that that's happened, let's go to this. Like the rest of us when it comes down to it,

you're a wrestling fan, so I'm sure you're aware that John Sina recently turned heel. Unlike the rest of us, you own your own wrestling company and you book your own shows. And it just so happens that AEW, a week later, has a huge pay-per-view in Los Angeles, I'm curious in these moments, is there any sort of added pressure possibly to maybe take a big swing creatively that maybe you wouldn't normally do?

I'm curious as to kind of your mindset and your thoughts and how you handle these types of moments. And let me stop it for one second. Apparently that question was asked by Joey Hayden of the Dallas Morning News. But before we get the Tony's... Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. That's a goddamn legitimate recognized newspaper. What? That was, I guess,

their wrestling reporter for the Dallas Morning News. My question was going to be, what do you do? If you had a national promotion and the other company did something that the entire world is talking about,

do you have added pressure on you having a big pay-per-view the next week? No. As a matter of fact, if he was to say, oh shit, I got to have some major happening

that wasn't already planned that he didn't have worked out in advance and was fitting his stories, then he's just being a mark trying to chase big news that he's not going to make in light of Sina turning took a lot of the oxygen out of anything else in the wrestling space, as they say. So if I were Tony, I just worry that

hopefully Revolution will do about the same number of buys it always does, and let me start thinking about something that when everybody stops ejaculate, and wipes himself off over Sina that maybe then I can come up with something. But to do something now would just be such an obvious plea for attention. And it would have to be the last minute and unplanned because you're reacting to something that just happened last week. Well, let's go to Tony Kahn's answer.

This will be our final question and answer. That's a great question. I think we're really very happy with the shows right now. I think the quality of the show has been tremendous, and we help build a lot of excitement around the original revolution by just doing great shows. We can, and that works so well for us, and I think if we do that here, it will pay off for us and to keep putting on the great shows. And we do take big swings and do exciting things on the shows, and we have big developments, big matches, big moments, and I want to keep doing that. but I don't want to change anything we're doing just because another wrestling promotion has changed what they're doing. And I think it's important to keep an eye on what's happening all around the world of wrestling.

And there are exciting things happening all over the sport. And one of the most exciting things and the thing I'm focused on most excited for is this Sunday AW Revolution pay-per-view. It's been a great run of AEW shows going into Revolution, as I was saying. And I think that's going to serve us very well going into this paper view, if that makes sense. Thanks for asking. Well, there it is. If that makes sense. Tony Khan, any final thoughts on Tony Khan?

His answer to the SENA question. Well, there's really, he answers every question with the same thing. But Revolution is going to be great. At least he's smart enough to realize that, no, he shouldn't try to top the Sina thing. Or maybe he just realizes that he hasn't been able to think of anything. He originally was going to try. That was probably the best answer of the bunch of them. No, I'm going to go and do my own thing, and then later on I'll think of my thing.

But there's a lot of words and a lot of circles. And there's no, again, that's when I first talked to him. Yes, you should be confident and you should, you know, like a Vince McMahon type of leader, exuded confidence and, you know, the aura that he had this handled and he had his grip on everything, but still he would admit when something is a task or something's a challenge. Or, you know, we must worry. With Tony, everything was a foregone conclusion. He was going to beat Vince.

His show was going to be great. His wrestling was going to be great. This was going to have, there's no chance whatsoever of failure. And that's a stupid way to look at things. when you have just convinced yourself that everything's going to be great and there's no chance of failure or anything sucking and it you know for tony it might work when your father has 12 billion dollars or whatever but for anybody else in the legitimate real world you have to go into anything with a a realistic viewpoint of the challenges and the advantages that you might face and have. And Tony is grossing more

money than any wrestling company ever except for the WWE, but he's also spent more money than any wrestling company ever except for the WWE. And he still has this little problem with his shows on TV are the shits.

And people are stopping watching them. And I still have to think, and then I will I'll make this my last statement. I still have to think that at some point there's got to be a goddamn of fucking trigger in that contract with WBD that says if your rating goes down to

72 people, we're not going to pay you these hundreds of millions of dollars. So where is that benchmark that, you know, or at what point do people start going, oh fuck! So, you know, we'll find out. We will find out. Back to you, Brian. This is your show, and that was the end of the TonyConn audio.

Then I can't go back to you? It's got to be back to me. Back to you. Can we go back to the starting board? Perhaps we'll go back to next week. Should we do that? Should we just go back to next week? We will be here next week with more.

And, of course, on the drive-through, we'll have the review of revolution and so much more. Well, that's, there you go. Well, in that case, then we're pretty much done here, right? Right. Well, in that case, it's been great, folks. Thank you. Fuck you.

It's been great. And bye-bye, everybody.