Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 581: Potentially Something Else

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite and Dark Side Of The Ring's Billy Jack Haynes episode! Plus Jim talks about Ricochet & Je'Von Evans on twitter, AEW's idea for Saraya's, WWE's ring boy scandal, clocks for blind people, ratings, and much more!  Thanks to our episode sponsors: SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce HARRY'S: Go to harrys.com/jce for Harry's Original Starter set for only $3. MDHEARING:  Shop MDHearing.com and use promo code JCE and get a pair for hearing aids for just $297. Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Cornett. The keys to the future. Hell by Cornet. That edition of the Jim Coronet experience, I am indeed Jim Cornett. And today we debate who's crazier, Billy Jack Haynes or whoever booked last Wednesday's A.E.W. Television.

All that and potentially something else. And joining me for all this and more. Oh, I and Brian, the podcasting Lion, the King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. Co-host to you, he's the conductor of this crazy train. Be great, Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim, a pleasure to be here once again. We have a very interesting show.

I'm getting a little sick of some of the weekly wrestling, but we always find good things to talk about in the middle of it all, and that's what I'm looking forward to today. well it's later in the day than we tried to do this because for some reason and i've been reporting in to everybody when we've had the severe weather and i'm proud to announce that today the sun is shining the birds are singing in louisville kentucky this the not a cloud hardly in the sky it's a beautiful day it's 70 degrees why you just want to frolic in the fields and even though we have gone through severe thunderstorms and high wind warnings and floods and even a goddamn tornado a mile away

and our electricity never blinked today just out of the blue we got no power i just walked into the room where stacey was on the phone with her mother over at her uh beautifully appointed townhouse. And they were both watching the same show on TV while they were on the phone. And Stacey said, well, what, my TV just went black. And her mother at the same time, well, my TV just went black. And I looked around and said, our house just went out. The power just quit not only here, but three miles away.

Depending on what type of bird is flying, the cuckoo bird goes in directions, Brian, I understand. Just out of the blue on a beautiful day. And by the time that we could call and report it, she's calling on the phone to report to the power company. Hey, he ain't sending the same power over here. And I go out in the driveway and the neighbor's daughters. I say, yeah, y'all got any power over there?

Y'all got any of that power? I'm scratching my face. She said, no, it just went out. And by the time I walk back in the house, the power came back on. I don't know what happened and why that it would affect between not only us, but an area that large that three miles away. There's a lot of businesses and homes in that intermediate area.

But what it did, Brian, was it cleared off all my shit. I had not only my paper notes, but I have my screen up here waiting to connect with you on this high-tech, technological fucking audio setup we got going on and various copy and things reports coming in from around. I had all my shit situated and orchestrated the way that I wanted it and suddenly everything's out. And then I was verclimped and bum-fuzzled, as A. Lola would say. And I didn't know what time it would let you know the clock here, Brian, that was sent to me. I'm patting the clock here now.

that was sent to me by my good friend Chad over in West Virginia, one of the nation's top blind vendors. I've mentioned him several times on show. He's blind? He, I can say this everything. Or he sells blinds, I don't remember. No, and he's not in the blind business. He's a blind man in business.

He's a blind businessman. Shades and blinds and curtains? He operates the vending machines along the highway and the byways of our nation's mountaineer state, But nevertheless, he sent me this nice clock. Seems like a reasonable job for a blind person along the highways. We want you to do stuff. What?

He's got a lot of it covered. And I just have to watch out on the days he's making deliveries, though, because he's driving up down. Anyway. That man's driving like he's blind. Well, that's her. That's the man with our don't know what a man. That's the man that's going to stock the vending machine.

but I'm trying to talk about this man's clock. I got it right here in my hands. He sent it to me to replace the clock that he had previously sent me. It kept gaining time, right? So he got to send me as, it's even bigger and better, has a great display. But the problem is, for summary, when the power went on, it reset at 8 o'clock or I came back on. It reset at 8 o'clock in the morning.

and I've lost the book on how to fucking set this thing because the graphics and are not real good on this thing because it's for blind people, I guess. And see, look. It is 8.59 a.m. See, no, it's not. Well, if a blind person could set it, how can you not set it? Well, they got special powers, Brian.

Special powers. I know that. Daredevil. need I go on? If you know when you lose a sense your other senses are heightened and their sense of how to figure out how to goddamn set this

fucking clock or apparently at peak operating power but I can't It is 859 a.m. No, it's not. Anyway, so don't stop it. January 1st, no,

23. See, it's not January 1st, 2023 either. but I check my speed gentlemen they are our new sponsor and of course ask for the Stan Hanson edition for people who can't see it's supposed to see people

could be behind miss important doctor's appointments they could have goddamn had their site restored if they didn't think it was two years ago at 8 o'clock the morning well imagine you're hitting that thing every day it's 2023 you don't know what's gone on Why is Charlie always depressed?

Well, they could have given him back his eyesight. Yeah. He had a problem with his clock and he was two years off. And I checked my speed when I reconnectified everything and I'm 950 over 750 there, fella. That's great. So we got that going for us. And here, more, you know, just exciting news. I wanted to say, get well to my cousin Larry.

I've mentioned him on a program on an offer. the past couple years. He's gone through numerous health issues. And finally, they actually gave him a spinal tap, which doesn't sound pleasant, and refigured out his medicines and all this stuff. And he's been at home instead of the rehab facilities and getting around on the interior of the house, you know, a little wobbly, don't, you know, don't try any cross bodies or anything. And just reasonably happy to be, you know, there.

And he fell down the stairs and basically broke his back, technically. Fractured of vertebra, vertebrae? Vertibra? One of those in his back. Missouri, Missouri? Well, no, nobody says Missouri. It would be Missoula,

Montana, but we're not talking about her. She was a porn star. Missoula Montana. And yes, and my cousin Larry has never met Missoula Montana. I don't even, I'm doing it the same clip. But he has all her movies. He's, he might have seen some of her flicks. But anyway, so he's now back in bed,

at least he's at home. It was only in the hospital for a couple days, but he's at home, but now he has to lay flat of his back in bed much of the next four to six weeks while they're not physical therapy and terrifying him, therapy-fying him, and doing the things that they need to do. So hopefully, he will feel better soon again. You do you think he kicked the old gypsy woman, Maria Ospinskaya in the Wolfman movies at some point. he disregarded her and was cursed somehow.

He's always been accident prone since he was a kid. But. Or he just wanted time away for some more Missoula, Montana action. Well, but with the magazine form. He can't, see, he'd have to, with the back issue, though, he'd have to tape him to the ceiling. Hey, I don't know if you heard, and I hate to bring it up if you haven't, but I haven't said anything until now, but, uh, Did you hear that Rob Moore passed away? I did not.

Yeah, a few weeks ago, there were a bunch of tweets and a bunch of different things that came in, but I thought you were copied on them, and I just thought about it. We never said anything on the air. We've talked about him in the past on the air. But yeah, sadly, he finally succumbed. I guess he was battling a lot of things. Well, and sometimes I miss the tweets when things are happening around here. Or remember the other day I said, I missed the tweets because they just fucking cut off for a day or so.

I don't know. But anyway, I hate to hear that. We won't bore everybody again with the story of how Rob gave me the match idea that got me sued. But he was a great guy and a big, big wrestling fan and had worked, you know, as a ring announcer for so long of the promotions around, you know, that part of Texas, I hate to hear that. Hopefully he was at least much older than I am, because it seemed I remember we were somewhat contemporaries.

that makes me nervous. Really nice guy. I got to meet him at Fan Week. I was there when he came down in 94 for the thing that got you sued, but he really... That's what he did it. Yeah, but he wasn't there for the whole trip. He was just there for that event because it was his idea. But the next year he came down for the whole trip, and he was one of the nicest guys ever.

Former president of the Dingo Warrior fan club. But don't hold that against him. No, he would set me a copy because it's so funny of the signed permission slip or, you know, Dingo Warriors. I did. which would stand up in any court of law in the nation. But he was a mainstay in Dallas. Like there were pictures of him just hanging out by the concessions in the

sportatorium while the wrestlers are there. He's as big as some of them. But he'd been there forever and he had done local radio and all sorts of things with the local wrestling company. He's really nice guy, though, really, really nice guy. Yeah. Well, we hate to hear that. Yeah.

You know, now that we've cheered everybody up, I've told him about Larry laid up in a bed with a broken back and you've mentioned another of our friends pass away. Let's try to concentrate on the positive things in life by having people tell us negative things about ourselves. Shall we? Wait, what? Yes, that's exactly. I mean, I'm used to it here on the show. You say awful things about me all the time. People are going to tell us negative things about ourselves?

I but in my case they're usually true but in this case Jonathan what's it hold on here his name is Jonathan from Fort Francis Ontario Canada Jonathan where's that do you know where that is have you ever been there I have no I think Fort Francis sounds like a nunnery but you think potentially he's been locked in a

room somewhere at a nunnery for some reason to be used and abused and then thrown away like a used Kleenex on the peep show booth floor of life? Or maybe he just lives there. Where are you? I'm at Fort Mary. Fort Francis. But nevertheless, hello Jim and Brian is how he begins his letter to us. Why does, and then he proceeds to talk mostly about me.

Why does Jim always feel the need to comment on the way someone he is discussing looks? it's almost always in a negative context. Look at how fat Paul Heyman is. Nia Jax looks like a refrigerator. Nia Jax has a whiny voice. See, he keeps harping on the same person. Liv Morgan and Alexa Bliss are too short. My God, look at how old so-and-so looks.

They're only a few years older or younger than I am. Things like aging and vocal tone and height can't be. be helped. And therefore, it's unfair to judge someone based on these attributes. As far as weight goes, some, like Nea Jacks, have factually lost a lot of weight over the course of their careers, which is not easy to do. Factually. Factually. If you want to crap all over someone's abilities in the world of wrestling, then go for it. But it's irrelevant to critique it. anything else about them. Now let's hold on, let's

just stop here. He does have more. We'll come back to it. There's more? Jesus. There's more. Francis. But factually, someone's abilities in the world of wrestling

are what we are critiquing because it is not only if you can train a chimpanzee to go out and perform wrestling moves, does that mean you can just let them main event WrestleMania? Don't the looks and the athletic ability, which is part of body type and personality and ability to talk and communicate and connect with the audience, all those things are what

separate us, Brian, from the lesser primate. right from the chimpanzees. So if we are not allowed to critique anything other than the specific execution of the wrestling maneuver, then we are severely hamstrung in our attempts to paint a full picture, are we not? Well, again, it's, I think specifically what Francis said was that you were judging people based on these traits. if you're judging someone or reviewing someone's promo, their voice in the way they deliver stuff have to be discussed. There are times it doesn't work for Seth Rollins.

He's too whiny. And then there's other times. Then there's other times it works. And we've called him out on both times. So that's in terms of voice, because he brought a voice all of a sudden, too. Height. Again, you know, if Charles Midget Fisher were here,

and had that credibility you would just dismiss it. Chad Gables, a shorter guy, we never bring the height into the discussion. It's always about the seriousness of the character. There are some people that seem really fucking small. Alexa Bliss, probably one of them. I've never said it about Liv Morgan. You've turned around on Liv Morgan.

She's proven herself to be a star. But those are the two examples, and Nyajet sucks, I'm sorry. Well, speaking of the female roster, I will get back to Francis here from Fort Jonathan in Ontario. I've enjoyed your show for a long time, but it's quickly becoming the last bastion of fat-shaming, ageism, and sexism for sure. If someone is smaller, if someone doesn't cut the best-sounding promo in the world, yet they've still found success at a place like the WWE, then shouldn't that? be celebrated? I don't know. They made Millie Vanilli give the Grammy back.

It's not like they rose up through like merit. You know, don't disrespect anyone against the main roster, but it's like, I pick you. It's not like this person that's just nonstop getting A's. We got to elevate them. Well,

that's what Francis from Fort Jonathan says. They were behind the eight ball from the start and still made it. Many of them made it because they found a billion. angel. He continues, aging is a natural part of life. You rag on older people for naturally looking old. Do you want them to get cosmetic surgery? Maybe grow a mustache and dye it along with their hair black? Well, who's he talking about there? Wait a minute. Not that I'm defending Vince McMahon's bizarre, not fooling anyone look. But my point is that you rag on people no matter what if they

look older or try to look younger. No, we rag on this. if they are too old to successfully portray the image that they are supposed to be portraying. And Edward, he cited Vince McMahon. He cited Vince McMahon as the example. We're allowed to critique an old man if all of a sudden he shows up looking radically different than he ever looked before, like a bloated Errol Flynn. We're allowed to say something.

You can't say anything? That's the thing. There are people thinking like, you should just watch stuff. And then be silent. He said clearly he wasn't defending that look. But we, again. Well, which senior is he defending? It would be, it would be wonderful.

It'd be wonderful if many of the current Yankees players got to play on a team with Babe Ruth. But not if Babe Ruth was still around and 74 years old. And they were in a real game that they were supposed to win. And oh, shit, we're going to say. in baby and just for the fun of it. That type of ageism. But nevertheless, and finally,

I will conclude with Francis from Fort Jonathan. Fat people may be that way because they just don't care about bettering their physique or their health, but some maybe are truly trying to drop weight and get healthy. It's not easy. You aren't their doctor or dietician.

You don't know their medical history, eating habits, or weight issues? It's not for you to comment. Stick to wrestling. Well, wait a bit. The new champion has gained 125 pounds in the last year and a half all around the middle and he hadn't seen a tan bed in a fucking same amount of time. Should you think we should stick to letting his doctor say he's fine.

He's fine. Is this sign Chris Jericho? No, but he is from Ontario, Canada now, Francis, from Fort Jonathan. Oh, and also, there's a PS. Just come right out and say that you're sexiest. Okay. No, it does not say that. You don't say it's a S-E-X-I-E-S-T.

I admit it. I admit it. I am sexiest. I just want to clear all these things up. Thank you, Francis, from writing in from Fort Jonathan, Ontario, Canada. I mean, but it's just, that's where it gets ridiculous. That's where you could tell, like, Francis may have the best intentions at heart, but he's also probably, like, the least fun at a party of anyone you've ever met.

You know, the idea that these people who are on TV, and again, it's not like, you know, Major League Baseball, if a player starts hitting 200 and they hit 200 for the season, it's not like we can't say anything. They're not performing at a top level. Doesn't mean they're not putting the lineup, it doesn't mean they're not given chances. Just because a wrestler makes it to the main roster, there is a sect of fans that think you shouldn't criticize anything. You know, it's kind of like that Triple H quote a few weeks ago. Just be a fan. Just go. Just go. long for the ride. Why do you have to critique this? Because that's what WWEs always want, a world where

the only media they get is the media that goes to them and asks them questions and reports their answers. Not someone who says, you know, this may not be working. The booking may suck on the road to WrestleMania, things like that. Can I interject? Can I interject? It's your show, yeah. Well, they had that audience until they started getting a bunch of people on top that insisted on telling all the fans that it was bullshit and they were making it up. And then everybody went from going crazy in the arena hoping so-and-so beat the shit out of so-and-so

to saying, well, I could have fucking come up with better ideas to have them do that. And that's what happened there. So congratulations, Einstein's. But the point is, from the standpoint of this show, not only am I going to fucking talk about this shit because, God damn, I see it in my sleep at this point. After 50 fucking years, I've got an opinion on a few things.

But besides that, if you are on television or on streaming to phones in people's pocket or a live event in public where they charge admission, whether it, movies, any type of entertainment that the public consumes, and you think that people are not going to fucking pro or con, yay or nay, with them or again them, have all the goddamn comments in the world. You're out of your fucking mind.

And you are fair game within obviously legal limits for people to use their opinions or say their opinions or whatever and their comments and their critiques on what you do. that doesn't mean they need to you know, forensically examine your goddamn life and find out that your fucking father-in-law once was a member of the Communist Party or whatever. But the public persona, yeah,

if you're sloppy fat or fucking woefully inadequate physically when you're supposed to be some kind of badass professional athlete, we're probably going to mention that. And et cetera, et cetera. How dare you say Haystacks Calhoun is fat? Who are you to judge the mighty Haystack? He was only big-boned Haystack now.

The McGuire's were fat, but Haystack was only big-boned. Jeez. But here's another problem, Brian, is that everybody thinks that we're just so horrible with things we say. Many times me, even sometimes you. You're not as horrible as I am, I don't think. on a scale. I'm not sure. But they're friends,

their idols, their heroes, they're the people they look up to in the rassling world of the young kids, the modern, the with it kids. They're the ones that are blazing the trail for inclusivity instead of exclusivity

and curiosity that killed the kitty or whatever the fuck it was. And we find out that they're just as bad. The young kids, the hip kids over at AEW are just as bad. Paige has spilled the beans. You mentioned this to me before we went on the air. That they wanted her, I thought this was supposed to be the modern we're going to see the females is just, you know, the athletic side of them and not make them do all this diva stuff. And they wanted her to have a fucking romance in AEW before she

at some point while she was there, but obviously before she left the company. Well, according to... Has this been reported credibly? This has been reported this morning from a Twitter account called Russell Purist. They've had stuff in the past that has been verified, I believe. And this is just a direct quote, actually.

Well, I mean, if it's a direct quote, pretty much, Howie from the mailroom can bring that up. But this was sent to us by a bunch of people. This is a quote from Saraya, from the program rule breakers. with Saraya. In AEW, there's a wrestler called Daddy Magic. They wanted me to do a love storyline with him.

I've managed to go my whole career without doing a love storyline, and I wasn't going to start it. They were like, no, all he's going to do is kiss you. I had a boyfriend at the time, and I was just like, I can't do it, you guys. I just can't do it. So I turned it down. and of course, Saraya is now gone from AEW on the program Rule Breakers with Saraya.

You brought it up. What are your thoughts on the idea that they pitched her something with someone who, at very best, could be considered low mid-card in terms of the placement? And two, you have any problem with a wrestler turning something like that down? Well, and, I mean, a bunch of people are going to say rude things about this young lady. as soon as we start talking about her turning anything down or whatever the case. So we're going to try to, we're going to go high when they go low, Brian.

Let's have a serious discussion about it. I'm not saying. Well, I was about to say we're going to go high when they go low. We're going to talk from a professional standpoint of this whole thing, right? Notwithstanding anything else may be in people's minds. You had me at, let's go high. All right. Well, there you go.

There is an element of when you sign up to be a wrestler, a personality in wrestling male or female, there's some showbiz involved. There is some acting. I prefer to call it reacting, but there is interplay with other people. You have to do things with other people in the course of the Zabada. And in the past, many times,

the female with a heel, they were a real life couple anyway. That's how they got in the business. Then as that started expanding, and OVW, I had guys that were working with girls with them or in the gimmick or a group or whatever, and they had no, everybody was professional. But there's some element of what you've got to portray on television. And Soraya, Paige, which is her new or real. What name is she allowed to use now, wherever she may be?

She owns the name, Soraya. That's her name, isn't it? Okay, well, I can't remember what the fuck she's been doing. You can't use Paige. Page. Page is a WW. Okay. Well, nevertheless, if it was, she was a star that was supposed to be a difference maker in AEW.

And so if it had been some type of situation where she and a main event personality, and MJF at the time who was also more important than he is now or whatever the case we're supposed to have some kind of on-screen thing going on I would expect you could be able to get a little kiss out of that you would be kind of

I'm not talking ant eaters with their tongues down each other's throat but some working fucking kissing you should reasonably expect as a promoter in that instance. You could also hide it. You could also just, you know, use a camera angle so you don't actually see it,

but it looks like. That's what I'm saying, working fucking kissing. I mean, the lips need to be somewhere in the vicinity, but you don't have to go goddamn like you're fucking fishing in each other's mouths to, you know, achieve the effect.

Although it's optional if the participants care to. But the point is, it's fucking daddy mac whatever the that round greasy face fucking underneath guy with the hyperactivity and they wanted this former star she had already fallen under their booking and suddenly they want her to be in love with this this guy no I think she could she had gone that far without doing the romance angles and she saw no reason to break her trend at that point. I can understand that from her side. The question I have

specific to this, and we'll get back to everything else, when was this pitched? Because Daddy Magic's partner was Cool Hand Luke, and her partner was Ruby Soho. And then we find that Ruby Soho and Cool Hand Luke just had a baby. That's why she's not around anymore. Okay. Was this a part of that? Or was it like, okay, they won't do it. You two. You're now together. What happened first? Well, at least Paige didn't end up with an 18-year anchor around her neck as a result of a wrestling angle. Oh, kids are wonderful.

Stop it. Well, Daddy Max or Cool Hand Luke's? You're going to have those? At least they'd have citizenship all over the place. Well, yeah, because Ruby's from Soho, right? I guess so, yeah. They can all live there. Well, they're a Canadian. They're a Canadian tag team 2.0.

I don't really think they've got a point, but nevertheless. We congratulations to whoever deserves it. So is she in the wrong here for declining? If she was, she's never done an angle like this in her entire life, she's going to do it for the first time with this guy. Well, that's what they thought. Who doesn't even make dynamite? Who doesn't even make, you know, he's on collision at best.

I don't think that and they after she lost the shiny new toy status you know then they didn't do that much with her to begin with I don't think she's alleging that that was particularly the reason but they just for a while there they signed a bunch of

girls that they thought were going to be stars and the only one that's how long has Tony Storm been there? She wasn't there at the start obviously. Where's Britt Baker? Now that I'm freelancing. I don't know. Maybe she's freelancing. I really don't know where Britt Baker is. Do you think

she just knocks door to door and says, I can work on your teeth? Again, there's a lot to the Brit Baker thing that maybe one day will come out. Let's keep our fingers crossed. What, fillings? Who'd you ask that's Mike Lano? That's Dr. Mike Lano. Who'd you ask about before her? I don't know.

You mentioned a different name. Oh, Tony Storm. What did she come in? Tony Storm, you know, she was teaming up with Saraya and Ruby Soho when she came up with the timeless gimmick, which took her away from everyone in the division, kind of gave her her own multiverse, or universe, I would just be one universe. But if you notice, you know, she broke away from the pack.

She's the most overwoman in the company. Yeah. Just because of the gimmick? So she may be a particular, right now, the only They pitched her a love Angwood Orange Cassidy, and she said, I'll become a 1930s actress, thank you. And I would have supported her in that also,

if you had a choice. I don't think the other things should be allowed to procreate. But point being, she's made herself, but all of the ladies that already had a reputation, you're like all the guys that already had a reputation, they come there and a, like that.

Hey, if I could say something real quick on the topic... I wish you would. On the topic of the ladies before we move on, because I don't know where we're going. Neither do I. Just a short announcement for the fans, because I pre-ordered it, and I just received an email. It is now available for me on Apple, Queen of the Ring. So for a lot of people who have wanted to see it on streaming services, it's now finally starting to get out there, because my purchase copy has been downloaded.

I got to ask Stacey how that works. We might have a movie night. I wouldn't have a... If you held a gun to me, I would be clicking on the cable remote trying to... Where is it listed that I can... No, you literally can't turn on a clock

for a blind man. Well, I'm not blind! God damn it! It is. 9.29. No, it is not. No, it is not. Only one of those numbers was right.

Well, as a matter of fact, it's... What? Hold on. Yeah, there was one number in there. All right. now the shit's falling down. It's a great episode today. Well, look you here. And let's talk about, since we're talking about the kids and their interaction,

am I hearing now that young Rickache is having a tiff, a beef, an altercation, a contra-tims with a younger Javon Evans from the NXT? Did you see this at all? No, again, all I heard was that he's added again. We've talked about RICOchet. Not on Twitter. Somebody actually says added again. I knew you'd fill me in.

There was a headline that said I didn't have time. But Rikerset argues with random fans on, not like a one-time thing like, well, fuck you and, you know, whatever, something witty and then boom. But like back and forth, like, no, I'm better. and he was saying he was better than Eoskei. He could do more shit. And he apparently spends time in his day to at least make people believe that he is arguing with them individually. Now, this may be part of him being a heel, as we've said, but now that he's extending to the boys in other companies,

it seems that there is almost some credence being lended to Lent. I'm sorry, our Catholic friends, to the idea that he really means this shit. Help me, Brian. Well, I guess it started. There's someone on Twitter named Dwayne Yamamoto. I'm sorry, but I just told Joe had no children. Except for that adopted child he had in 87 when Rocky Johnson was in town.

Dwayne Yamamoto tweeted out, Javan is the best prospect in wrestling. and don't come in my replies talking about some randoms nobody's ever heard of either. To which ricochet, I don't know why or how, or how he came across this, quote tweeted, I'd squash him. To which Javon Evans replied, and this has since been deleted, in the Rick Flair style of capitalizing the first letter of every word. My bad, I just got done training at the Performance Center under Sean Michaels,

something that you don't have or do, but I bet your brown egghead ass would squash me if Tony told you to. To which Rickettsay replied, Brother, I was learning from Sean Michaels, and that's an apostrophe after the L before the ass. I was learning from Sean Michaels when you was like 12. Then went on to become a multiple-time champion. Let me know when you win one little boy.

And yeah, if Tony asked me, I definitely beat you up. Well, he said beat you a coup or a car. I don't know, because I write like a fucking normal person in English. And then he wrote, also by just... Now, wait a minute, he's coming back like the fucking pissed off life. Also, here's another thing. By just simply mentioning my name, this is your most engaged post. Oh, excuse me, this is your most engaged with post.

You're welcome for the exposure, kid. And there's an emoji of a crown. To which Javon Evans replied, and this has since been deleted. You learned from HBK when I was 12 and became a multiple-time champion. Now you're wrestling in front of 2,000 people every week for a crackhead. Oh my God. Talk about an upgrade, am I right? Sounds like Mr. Khan isn't giving you enough attention.

So you had to come for a successful ass youngin. You're giving me the most views on my post, and I'm finally helping you get the most attention you'd ever had in your career, all love. To which Rickashay finally replied, how many... Oh, Jesus Christ! How many people does the PC hold?

Blah ha ha ha! But keep up the energy. It makes you look cool. And that's the final word as of this moment. Again, Javon Evans has deleted his two replies here. at least two replies actually maybe more than that to ricochet Rickashay Rickashy's gimmick it appears is just trolling people online

in this case apparently even wrestlers he doesn't have any sort of relationship with in companies that he doesn't have a relationship with and in ways that makes him come off if his job that he is attempting here his mission is to make people assume that is a childish, whiny little bitch and unprofessional.

And I'm not talking about in a wrestling heel way. I'm just talking about like in a fucking he's just a douchebag way that thinks he's, his shit's a lot hotter than it is. But there's no reason. And it didn't sound like these two, if that was a cooperative angle, quote unquote, like kids do, that these two came. up with to shoot together, then they're really both

bad at fucking doing it. Because they hit all the fucking negative points and none of the positive ones. There's no business to be done and Javan comes off looking better because he's like, what the fuck?

You know, how did I get involved in this? This fucking little prick. Mind of my own business. One day. It's over here. One day. but so I mean so I think Javan would also kick the shit out of fucking little ricketticoe rickasito

the little mini from Mexico this one line here is an all-timer you learned from HPK when I was 12 and became a multiple-time champion now you're wrestling in front of 2,000 people every week for a crackhead talk about an upgrade am I right Jesus. What do you think of a wrestler calling another promoter, a crackhead, not another wrestler,

but someone who pays people? Well, I mean, you know, he was a little incensed, and sometimes the truth will slip out in, or the true feelings, I should say, will slip out when you're a little bit prickly, and that's what he thought at that fucking point in time because again, he was minding his own business, sitting in his fucking chair over there trying to do the best he can. And along comes this fucking, who ricochet picked it up at random, right?

He wasn't, the guy that originally said that Javon Evans was just swell, wasn't talking to ricochet, he was just making a statement on the internet. That's what it looks like, correct? And so I think somebody ought to get Rickashay off the internet and maybe I don't know, who could you put him in a car with and maybe a cell with, they could try to teach him how to think about the business. Probably nobody.

You'd find the cellmate hanging from his bed sheets if he was locked up with this fucking kid. Do you think Rickettsay should have defended Tony? He said, hey, how many people were at the performance? He didn't say, and Tony's not a crackhead. Well, I mean, he was trying to just stick with things that he factually was aware of, apparently. The performance center is indeed smaller than 2,000 seats, but possibly the jury was not in with all the evidence in his mind

on whether any of the other statements were true or false. There's always that. The less a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to be. proven wrong in retrospect. So he took down the tweets. You think that's a company directive? Probably. Because I think that somebody at the company probably say,

you know, you can tell his guy, he's an asshole all day long when he's knocking you. But don't accuse other people of like public drug addiction or potentially committing crimes. You know, don't do that. So they, they clawing. those back, as they say, in the financial world. That'd be the funniest thing ever of Tony sued him for calling him a crackhead.

Where's your evidence, Mr. Evans? Well, then he would have to take a piss test, wouldn't he? Or have Shavani do it for him. Well, I don't know. The way Chivani's just sitting there in the middle of all this chaos shaking his head going, I love my job. He may be on some type of... You're saying crack?

Elevated. I'm just saying elevational material. Are you saying Tony Chivani's on crack? No, not crack. Just something to make him happy? Caffinated? No. My God, that seems like that would make this nightmare worse.

I'm thinking. I'm thinking. propofall for anybody that knows what's going on with wrestling. That's the way that they tolerate it. I think the sad thing is, I think it starts at Rickettsay thinking like he's looking good. Like, yeah, there it is, my new persona, my new online persona. And then it just quickly goes south and he can't get back to the surface. He's like just drowning under the water trying to get back up and Javad Evans just drowned him.

Is it drowned or drowned it? I'm not sure. Did you ever think people would be fighting for the credibility of training under Sean Michaels like this? No, come to think of it. I never did. But at least they

do the same thing. They grow up to have unprofessional shoot arguments with each other. No, I'm not knocking Javon. He's an innocent victim. It is. He's just a prawn in the game. They should have Rickashay

this, like, they've been putting them in tag matches. Have them on the apron texting. I create a buzz. It'll create a bigger buzz than his actual matches. Just, who's he texting? Who's he fighting with? Who's drowning him? Shorty want to. Oh, quit.

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and you're going to freak out, I'm going to bring this up because, oh, you're going to get us in trouble. I'm going to be non-judgmental and completely professional about all of this, except when I scoff at one thing. There were more ringboys that joined the lawsuit, and it is among the many lawsuits that's involved between either Vince and WWE and the ring boys and the attorneys and all the people, the doctors now,

that the doctor is suing the woman that's suing Vince for slandering him, blah, blah, blah. But in all of this comes out, another Hall of Famer mentioned. Two more Hall of Famers accused in Ringboy's lawsuit. And just to bring ourselves up to date, we have all already wholeheartedly agreed

that probably everything that anybody said about Mel Phillips that he ever did, he probably did do. Guilty as the day is long. And even a Terry Garvin is not getting as much coverage as he used to get or as much mention. Mel Phillips gets a lot of, because it's a more even bizarre story.

Mel Phillips gets a lot of the attention. But Terry Garvin, I think, Brian, has, we've all agreed also pretty wholeheartedly that Terry Garvin was involved and did whatever they said he was doing. He absolutely was 100%. That was what blew up the whole Tom Cole thing was when Terry Garvin brought Tom Cole to his house

and then wouldn't take him home and it was like a snowstorm. And Tom Cole would hide from Terry Garvin Like a couple days or whatever it was. And also Mel Phillips was on TV. And I think that's one of the reasons why, you know, it stood out to a lot of people, I mean, beyond the sick perverted end of it, the fact that it was the black ring announcer.

He stood out. I mean, he was on wrestling challenge. And then all of a sudden he wasn't. And then you never knew what his name was. He never really had a name. It was just the ring announcer. Howard Finkel, they said his name. And, yeah, Mel Phillips is the one who I guess coordinated with the ring boys.

so he's probably the biggest name. Well, yeah, but Terry Garvin was the one who actually was, Bell Phillips was working for in the actual company because Terry Garvin legitimately worked for the company. So he was the boss of that. He just doesn't get mentioned a lot these days. And they ended up working together too after they left WWF. They thought they were going to stay in wrestling

and start like a little indie group in, I think, Massachusetts or whatever it was, and they had business cards and everything. And the third person, that was named at that point, but allegations were fewer and much less specific. Paterson and another one of these new ringboys

that joined the suit, mentioned Paterson, and I'm not even going to get started. So you can breathe easy there because it's like wrestling. For those who believe no explanation is necessary, for those who don't know explanation will do. there are people who didn't know Pat Patterson or who had a problem with him

who was oh yeah and people who knew him and didn't have a problem with him who scoff at it and I am one of those and apparently nobody's going to change their mind on either side so we're not going to litigate it but the other one I have to mention because I it was funny to me at first because it was so ridiculous because the name wasn't in the headline you had to click to get there and when I saw it I was

what the fuck Coco where Cocoa where Cocoa Coco Coco and this is what we've come to here

and when I think back I think the reason I thought it might be the funniest was I would pay $5,000 if I could get a video of Cocoa where said however he found out about it does he sit down at his computer

during the course of the day and just look at news or did his next door neighbor call him up or how the fuck he found out that he was being accused in news reports of sexual assault of anybody much less a minor, much less a male. Coco, it's like,

is Gomer Powell is selling military secrets to the Russians, Brian. Well, let's take a step back, because I don't know the whole story, and I'm going to assume a lot of the listeners haven't been following this. What are they saying Coco did? That's what we're going to get into, but he was in the,

there were all these other people who allegations of legitimate shit, and fucking shit if it is legitimate would be improper in any context, right? And then he's lumped into Coco fucking wear. And again, just so you know, we're talking Cocoa Ware. When in a, in the history of wrestling has a story ever involved the words Cocoa Ware was arrested, Cocoa Ware was drunk and did this. Cocoa Ware was high on drugs,

Cocoa Ware, the one fight he got into in public, the other guy got fired, and it was one of Vince's best friends at Jim Troy. I was going to say that... Because they said it was his fault. I was going to say that's the only incident I could think of where Coco got into big trouble was... He got maybe suspended for a little bit, I'm not sure,

but Jim Troy got fired. Jim Troy was a top executive there going back to the Cape Cod days for the McMahon family. And, you know, the rumor was... I haven't heard the story in a while, so I don't want to say the wrong thing. The rumor was he may have said the worst thing you could say to Coco, and Coco knocked him on his ass. Yes, and that's, but the point is he was,

Jim Troy was one of Vince's best friends and first partners, and they fired him after Coco knocked him out, right? So, but the point is that Coco, Coco has to hear that he's involved in this. I can't imagine. His head must have exploded. And again, this is a case of when you just, when you go too far, your main story, your main argument, the stuff that legitimately did happen with people that legitimately did do it, your case is harmed when you go this far, is what I,

the point that I'm trying to make. What are they saying? What are they saying? And here's this account. Here's this account. In a separate alleged incident, in a WWF dressing room in Maine, John Doe number six, claims he was grabbed in the crotch by wrestler Cocoa Beware

with many other witnesses present, including Mel Phillips, Paterson, ring crew member, and later ring announcer Tony Chimel and referee Danny Davis. and not the OVW Danny Davis, but the WWF Danny Davis. Were you going to say something? I guess when I heard ring crew,

I forgot, you know, Tony Chimel started that way, actually. Yes, well, Tony was a ring announcer, but he started on the ring crew, but many of the referees, as we've talked about, Jack Done, they were at various times, they were the ring crew also that would drive the, truck or ride in the truck. And so you had, because

Chimel was, Finkl was a TV announcer, but Chimel was a house show announcer. Anyway, the point is, there's one, two, three, four, four people, many witnesses. But here's the description. In front of everyone else in the room,

Coco Beware, told John Doe Six to get against the wall, push John Doe Six's head against the wall, patted him down, and then grab John Doe 6's crotch. Then the lawsuit states that most others in the room laughed except Chimel who said something like, don't do that, let him go.

Chimmel later told John Doe 6 that he shouldn't be on the ring crew and that he should run away, according to complaint. Camille Phillips was the one who was running the ring crew. But back to Coco. When does a sexualist? assault begin with a frisking. There's a bunch of guys in a locker room before the fucking show. And patting him down, okay, I mean, thinking back to, I don't know, any men's high school,

college, or professional sports locker room, wrestling, or otherwise from a 30-year period, if somebody's supposed to be patted down, they're, as Dennis Coraluzzo, you say, to busting my balls, Jimmy. They're busting balls wasting time in the locker room. And they told the one guy, hey, you got something you're not supposed to have. No, I don't. We need to check. Or somebody said, you owe me a dollar.

I don't have it. I bet you do. So, co-cos, we got to pat you down. So he gets against the wall, like on cops. And he pats him down. He says, okay, you seem to be clean. Oh, wait. And he grabs and squeezes him.

his balls what's this and the guy jumps oh jesus christ and everybody laughs and you go back your day it was a kid it was a kid that's the problem if it did happen there's no justify patting him down is one thing goofing around with that but if he grabbed them by the balls six six year old kid doesn't fucking matter it's another teenage kid if you grab someone's genitals you're going to get in trouble if that indeed did happen okay if it's a 15 year want to grab other people's genitals who aren't into them, there's a problem there too. Maybe they're... All right. Hold on here a second. If Coco did it.

And by the way, Coco was 17 when he started wrestling to begin with. So he was a teenager in the fucking locker room and seeing these ribs. Then he's still a 20-something year old kid because this was the fucking 80s. What do you think he's a goddamn 60-year-old man? I've been in the locker. The guy in the locker

who wants to grab other people's junk as a joke, usually they got something going on. They don't... Well, it didn't used to be. I bet you. I'm telling you, that's what you did the fucking rib when you grab somebody by the balls and makes them jump

and everybody laughs. Your problem is you had cell phones. No, that isn't the problem. The problem is the behavior of grabbing other people's genitalia. Okay, then I tell you what. That's the problem. Then I'll tell you what.

Then I would accept a headline and not be indignant on Cocoa Ware's behalf. Is this, Was he in the headline? I forgot what the headline was. No, I said the headline didn't have anybody's names. That's why you have to click, right? But he's accused of this with everybody else

who was having forced fucking blow jobs and all this other fucking shit going on. He fucking grabs the guy's fucking balls to make him jump in front of a bunch of guys laughing about it. And everybody went on. And now 40 years later, he's being accused of sexual assault. I would go for if they accused WWF Hall of Famer Cocoa Ware of Hazing, as the college kids used to say.

Where's Tony Chimel? What do you mean here right now? Does he still work for WWE? I can't imagine after all these years that they've gotten rid of everybody else. Go to Tony Chimmills. Tony Chimm is quoted in this. I mean, it's hearsay, but it says that Tony Chimel said this, get away from here, or leave him alone, let him go.

Tony Chimel is the one who can answer all these questions. Oh, for heaven's sake, there shouldn't be that many questions about this, because I can see Tony Chimel sitting there, don't do that, let him go. And he probably took the kid over to corner about Mel Phillips, not Coco, and said, you shouldn't be on his fucking ring crew. So help me about my confusion here, just a little bit about who did what and how it worked. Obviously, we all know about Mel Phillips and the ring boys. The ring crew, you know, a lot of the referees, I guess,

what did the ring boys do that the ring crew didn't and vice versa? So, like, what, you know, I think a lot of people think it was the ring boys putting up the ring and doing all this, but what's the ring crew doing then? Well, here's the, again, when I started in 1993, the ring crew that came to the buildings was either, like I said, Jack Donne, the referee or, oh, God damn, now I've blanked on it, somebody's going to be out there going, God damn, you worked with me for, or Tony Chimel, who was announcing, but the referees, except for the scene. your referees. Earl Hebrner didn't have to do it.

Timmy White didn't have to do it. But they were in the truck and they drove the ring from place to place, but there were helpers that they had at the buildings, but they were all, I would assume, people that were contracted by the building to be, you know,

hands to carry the goddamn shit in the building. But by that time, most of the buildings WWF was running were bigger operations. Apparently what, until Mel Phillips was gone and Terry Garvin was gone and this was an end was put to this is that they were working some kind of goddamn arrangement amongst themselves

where they would get teenage boys that locally they wanted to get in the fucking matches for free or see the wrestlers or whatever the fuck to help do something. I don't know. They had to be halfway physically large to carry a ring. post, I would think, but I don't know what fuck that they're, nominally they were supposed to be doing, but a bunch of untrained teenagers,

to me, would get in the way more than anything else. See, I thought I had heard at one point that they had helped Mel Phillips take down the ring before he did, like, you know, whatever the fuck he was doing. Well, and that's that that may have been what was going on on, especially on these house shows or whatever during the period of time that he was there.

That's probably why they changed it to, you know, what I said, which was more the the referees and ring announcers traveling from place to place were in the ring truck and they were hauling shit and they were the heads of the ring crew but there would be

legitimate I don't know paid for goddamn local labor at the buildings that they needed that would help with that shit but again again why did Vince bring Mel Phillips back Tara and that's the thing Terry Garvin was it was the guy in the office

that oversaw like rings getting there and fucking, you know, the announcers and all that bullshit, so it was easier for him and Mel Phillips to work whatever deal they were fucking working. But it's not like, apparently, now we come to find out that they were working real hard to fucking cover it up.

How did Terry Garvin even get hired? He had never done anything with the Northeast, never done anything with New York or Vince McMahon, Sr. Well, he was French-Canadian. And see, that's another thing. I wondered how many people, some of these people knew which gray-haired old French Canadian they were talking about. But he had been around the business and involved in the business as a wrestler. And then I think later on did some behind the scenes work in promotion, at least in Canada for a short period of time.

But he just, he had been around forever. and showed up, was it a Barnett thing? Because Terry Garvin had worked for Barnett for years and years in Georgia. And I think in Australia, when did he start there? I don't, but he just somehow ended up there. I don't know. I mean, but that's part of the question, too. It's not just why did they bring Mel Phillips back?

How did Terry Garvin get this specific job and then keep it for that many years? And if they knew shit was happening with Mel Phillips, you can't tell me they didn't know shit was happening with Terry Garvin. And what did they think they were? just run the clock and eventually he'd be an old man. Like, it's just, it's crazy to me. And, you know, I will say, and you and I obviously differ on this, but the Paterson stuff, you know, again, it goes into, you know, my general thought that if you grab someone's

dick, there's maybe something more to it. I think there are a couple things, and I've said this before in the year. I think Paterson made highly sexualized innuendos and jokes, hoping that someone would say, okay, let's play. that was the best Hold on hold on let me let me give my thoughts on that I agreed with everything you just said

until you said hoping someone would say okay let's play because I've seen him make those comments and they were funny in groups of people where there was no insinuation whatsoever and we were doing other shit they were asides if anything else because he was already committed at that point in time

and they didn't to anyone's knowledge at that point was not doing anything to change that, but he wouldn't have just broadcast it if he was. I can't, I don't know anything about what commitment him and Louis had throughout their years, but, you know, Tom Hankins, who passed away in the past year, who I knew, I had him on 605, I know friends of his going back to, going back to the 60s, actually, he was a fan club guy. So, you know, a lot of people know him, no one really says he doesn't have credibility.

His story was, and this is from 84, when he was training with Dr. Jerry Graham. and if you remember they brought Dr. Jerry Graham in after the national expansion for like one TNT. One week. Yeah. And he was on TNT and Vince looked like he was in heaven. And Dr. Jerry Graham said, I have a whole new wolf pack, new grams I'm bringing in. And Tom Hankins purportedly was going to be one of the new Graham family, the new Graham brothers, the sons, whatever they are. And after an Olympic auditorium show, they were all at the bar.

And Paterson kind of came on to him, he thought, and made some jokes. about, what's wrong with me? Am I a bad guy if I just want to give you a blowjob? And he said, no, you're just a cock sucker. And Pat got a little upset about that, and the booking never happened. Who knows if the booking ever would have happened, but enough people knew of the incident in real time and people were there. There was something.

Actually, there was a good enough comeback. I would have thought Pat would have chuckled at it. No, apparently Pat got very upset. It is a good comeback. So I don't know. You know, again, Paterson, there are stories and rumors and, you know, there are enough shoot interviews out there where people say, if my tag partner had done this, if I had done this.

But it was never if a kid had done this. And I think that's the thing. I think it's not unreasonable to think at one time before it was certainly widely known you couldn't behave like that, that Pat Patterson may have been inappropriate. And, you know, I. I don't think that's outrageous, but... Oh, but inappropriateness. No, but not with anybody that

wouldn't wanting to be... It wasn't a kid. It wasn't a kid. No, yes. Even if it was a, you know, again, if it was a jobber feeling pressure that, you know, oh, this guy wants to blow me. That's one thing. I don't even know about that. But nevertheless.

What separates him from Terry Garvin, typically, and again, I don't know all this stuff. I have not read up on the Cocoa Ware part of the story. So I don't know. But, you know, that's the thing. Terry Garvin and Mel Phillips, it was kids. And the McMahon family knew about it with Mel Phillips and let him go and then brought him back.

And, you know, again, if they really dive deep into this, the McMahon family's knowledge of everything with Tom Cole. You know, Tom Cole killed himself right after Paterson died purportedly because he couldn't take all the positive attention Pat was getting after that. So, I mean, there's a lot there's a lot there. I mean, it's a long time ago. Well, and that goes back to my point because everything you just said is true and they knew about it and et cetera, which is why you want the story to be taken seriously. And when you go so far as to name Cocoa, because he was doing a pat down in front of a bunch of the boys jacking off and killing time in a fucking locker room,

then you diminish somewhat the impact of the true story that you're telling to where somebody's going to roll their eyes, potentially a judge or whatever all come on now. You know, what other part of this that might have been overstated. Well, depends. How was it, is this just a story in their filing? Is this just, here's another incident that happened?

Or are they specifically saying, Cocoa Ware is a predator? Well, no, I'm saying that this is in, this is in the filing of their alleged pattern of abuse or whatever. they're not, I don't think, suing Cocoa Ware personally,

but in all of the reporting of this, Cocoa Ware is at WW Hall of Famers accused of abuse in amended Ring Boys lawsuit. And so, again, no, it's fucking Coco. And I appreciate that maybe times have changed, but if you right now committed everybody to fucking, prison that in a men's locker room over a 30 fucking year period in the 60s, 70s, and 80s had ever as a rib grabbed other guys fucking balls or dick and squeezed them, the prisons

would be overflowing. I don't know about that. Where do the fuck did you go to school? I went to school in New York. I went to school in New York. I don't know how they did it in the South. Well, Jesus Christ, they cut you up there. They stabbed you in the goddamn ribs and the group.

ruin and everything. I don't know what's going on. But again, they're not accusing. I mean, it sounds like they're, they have this incident in the, and whatever they filed, but it's not like they're saying they want, I mean, at this point,

Coco has to say something at least offend himself, one way or the other. Well, that's what I'm saying is that they're not suing him in particular, but because he has been named in this for this fucking thing. Everybody is saying he's a goddamn, he's accused in an alleged abuse scandal of the ringboys well so now Coco's

linked to this for this bullshit I mean is in all seriousness let's have some element of proportion and that's the one if you had just looked at Coco and said they're adding you to the sexual abuse scandal he would have genuinely honestly

with wide eyes said to who for what what the I'm sure he doesn't even remember this happening one of the 30 years or whatever to goddamn locker room jacking around

and suddenly he's brought into this fucking thing and and drug through the mud in the headlines they quote Tony Chimel Tony Chimel can kind of I don't know if clear it all up is the right thing but he could at least give it

well I'm sure he would tell yeah Coco fucking peckon patting him down and grabbed his balls and they all laughed and I told the kid, I ought to get out of here. I mean, that's Tuesday. What the fuck? I'm looking on Wikipedia right now. This is news to me.

I didn't realize this. Tony Chimble, born in 1961, an American former pro wrestling ring announcer. He is assigned to all elite wrestling. What? Where he works as a producer. He is best known for his time in WW. I did not know he was with AEW. in April 2023

Chimmel revealed that he was working with AEW assisting with production during their Orlando tapings who knows maybe he's not on just when they're in Orlando just not on the road because he's my age for heaven's sake I'm leaning over there now I'm back he's my age he needs to be semi-retired

and enjoying the sunshine down there one last thing on all this ringboy stuff did anything else happen like are they anywhere new or is there anything other than like you know this amended it sounds like it's an amended complaint or it's another complaint well no it's it's new young ring boys

it's new boy it's actually new accusers complaints yes huh but you know Brian the thing is whenever I think of Cocoa where I will think of the teenage kid and the back of the Louisville gardens playing church songs on the

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I don't know where you're going. How is he on the piano? He was pretty good on the piano. He wasn't Liberace, but he was okay. But I'm thinking that if he would change his appearance by growing a beard, maybe we found a loophole. If you have done something, ladies and gentlemen, in your, well, maybe not ladies. I think you're disqualified.

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It's a tweet. It's not even a tweet. I'm not sure what this is, but it says, Woof. Rick, I don't know why you begin with that. Woof. Rickishay really trolled a guy into getting media class for the whole PC. What do you think about the idea that everyone in developmental had to go for media

training because of this ricochet John Evans thing, allegedly, potentially. Oh my God. Well, and see, again, because they're owned by a corporate conglomerate that doesn't want to be accused

of calling Tony a crackhead or a spade or whatever the case may be. And so now they have to call everybody together to say, don't say this. In the wrestling business for the first hundred 25 years or so, if some guy knocked you and you went to his house and punched him the fuck

out, you'd probably get a round of applause from your promoter. Well, it is interesting, though, if there was social media in the 80s, let's say, don't you think if you went to Mid-South knowing how Watts wrote down stuff and gave you guys rules, would there be a set set of rules for how you interact with people on social media? Yes, there would be, no doubt about it. And I'm not trying to say that there wouldn't, especially the way Watts was. but the rules would be more about defending the business and if necessary yourself than what you called somebody or if you hurt their feelings or if, you know,

it got attention or whatever in that respect, unless it was a, unless you were fighting with the opposition, which there's an element of that also here, in which case you're giving the opposition goddamn attention and promoting a match that's not going to happen. well what a week for ricochet of course we'll get to a w later on but ricochet obviously in this online match with someone he won't be wrestling javon evans of nxte but don't worry is a big upcoming match with zach gowen to look forward to so things are really looking up yeah we'll

we'll talk about that when it happens if it happens unless i don't know i say unless sanity prevails we know that's not going to happen but is Is this cause for somebody to step in and establish like a curatorship of Tony? Maybe. Anyway, before we talk about the current crazy people, let's talk about the crazy people from the past, Brian, because there was another episode of Dark Side of the Ring on Vice TV focusing on one of the crazier of the crazy people.

In the land of fruits and nuts, he's the head cashew. our friend Billy Jack Haynes, who, as I aptly and succinctly put it at the start of the program, started out his career as a star and finished up as a nobody. He went in reverse. And when you think about it, especially from the footage that they showed, that was pretty much true. But I'm going to let you start and vent on all the historical inaccuracies ever, or dates that were misrepresented. But this was overall, I thought,

and you can tell me if you felt the same way, more of one of the shows about a guy who at one point was a wrestler, but has just more bad shit crazy before and after potentially he was into business than he was while he was in it. Yeah, this was Darkside dot dot dot dot dot of the ring. They spent a lot of time dealing with a jailhouse interview where he said nothing. But his lawyer wouldn't let him.

Every single question, his lawyer, I mean, that's all we saw was him not being able to do it. Whoever his friend was, I found intriguing. He has some friend who very matter-of-factly would, I think, we can't really talk about that, but there's verification. Or who the fuck is that guy? Yeah, and why didn't he communicate with Billy Jags' attorney? I thought you were really good on here. you know, again, I don't want to kill them for the historical stuff because obviously they're trying to tell a Billy Jack Hayne's story,

but if you're going to tell the story about him being a wacky, crazy wrestling character, why leave out everything? You know, why leave out? They said, like, oh, he was working all these smaller territories, and then he went to the WWF in 1986. No, actually, he went to the WWF in 1984. They put him on the front cover of that program riding a sled with Hulk Hogan and Wendy Richter and Barry Windham

and then he never arrived. Then he went to Crockett where he got a big push and they were going to give him a bigger push. But wait, you skipped over. He was in Florida for a while too, but also the one I thought you were going to talk about that he skipped over.

And I told him the story, but when he came to world class because Kerry was going to do the movie and they thought they were going to lose Carrie, or at least that they believed Carrie was going to do the movie. I don't think it was got that far. And Chris Adams left town because he thought Billy Jack was going to fucking kill him.

And that kind of lent itself to Billy Jack's overall demeanor and reputation. But yeah, and we've told that story here before. So look up the world-class stuff. You wouldn't know from watching this that he was married to Jeannie Clark. Chris Adams was never married to Jeannie Clark. Billy Jack Haynes was. But that wasn't brought up here. But Billy Jack.

I don't know if Billy Jack remembers by this point that he was married to. Billy Jack walked out of every single place. Sean Waltman once told me, and Sean was a fan when Billy Jack hit Florida. He said Billy Jack was bigger than Dusty at that point in time. Again, Dusty had been there for a while, but Billy Jack was huge. And then Billy Jack was gone. Yeah.

And that happened every, I mean, happened in Portland eventually. There wasn't too many people you think of that just immediately got, that level of a push everywhere and always had that intensity. You think of the early 80s magazines. You think of Tony Atlas. You think of Kerry von Eric. You think of Hogan. Eventually the Road Warriors.

But him, Billy Jack. I mean, it seemed like he was a dead certain pick to be a major star in the business, but that's before everyone realize he's a cook. And the other thing I'll say is a critique is, I think this was an example of the people who make this show being too obsessed with shoot interviews. and this seemed more like a love letter to the Billy Jack Haynes shoot interviews that they love

than a coherent comprehensive story Oh, I know, then you hear Oh, they only have 42 minutes Let me tell you some, you can tell a coherent story You don't need reenactments of everything Especially when no one looks like Ken Patera You got some fucking schlub in there

Patera was good here No, the reenactments, I know it's like their thing, their look But at a certain point you have to realize All they're doing is taking away from time and story and Jericho sucks as a narrator. But other than that, it was at least interesting. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did it? Well, I like the talking heads.

Because, again, even if my Dallas story made the cutting room floor, Dave Sierra, Cuban assassin, was instrumental because he's one of the guys that helped him break in, begin with, in Portland. Rip Oliver's son because Rip and they talked about, and I couldn't, but we'll get to what Billy Jack did to Rip later on in his life later. But when Billy came to Dallas, he brought Rip Oliver with him because he wanted the story I got,

and I managed Rip. So I got the story from him, was it Billy wanted at least one heel he knew he could work with. And is it okay? and RIP is another guy that had helped him break in. And when Billy Jack gave his notice because they found out that Kerry was coming back and I guess whatever the story was, they didn't want to honor the guarantee and I'll just go back to Portland,

that's when they finished RIP up by hurting Mike and doing a deal there because Rip went back to Portland with Billy. So Dave Sierra, Rip Oliver's son, Uncle Dave was on Mike Miller and Lynn Denton, the grappler, who have been around the Northeast forever, and Bill Alfonso, Fonzie. Northwest. What did I say, the Northeast? I'm so used to the other side, the other hand. But like you said, it really, he started as the biggest star that he would be for the first few years,

but by the time he got to the WWF in 86 for the run, that was the last year. And then it was over. And then he was bleh. But Tara is the only one who thought that he was a nice guy. And even then later on, he said, well, he was manipulative and had an agenda. But otherwise, he had a good personality. Everyone I've ever talked to him at Newham,

I don't know if nice was used, he was quiet guy. I think nice was used. quiet. Yeah. Well, that's the thing is that we had heard in the Crockett locker room, and now with his record, he had a couple of assaults, but he didn't have a murder or homicide or whatever. But we had heard in the Crockett locker room when he came in

that he had gotten a fight with some guy and hit him as hard, he killed him and had been in prison. I think he'd been in prison over the assaults. Apparently the guy lived. But that's why he didn't, he had a real weak hand. with the boy, not even the dead fish workers handshake, just like, I don't want to squeeze too hard. And he was very soft-spoken, like he didn't want to get mad, lose control of his temper, which when you hear some of the testimony from some of the people that were around him a lot,

that may make some sense. But it just, you know, he's very quiet, very, you know, peaceful, but what the fuck? almost too much. And I know they really didn't address it, and I know you really couldn't make money there or anything, but his run in 95 in Memphis was incredible. He was the best heel in the business. Well, and that was the thing that,

it was a brief period of time, and we did talk about that also, because they reminded me, the dark side guys, that he worked for me, that he was there at the Super Bowl show. Oh, yeah. So, well, against Brown Armstrong, right? Yeah.

He had, after the WWF, he went back to Portland. Portland tried to work or not work, run opposition to Don Owens, the guy who had broke him in, but he was going to be the Vince McMahon of Oregon. And when that didn't work, he was out of the business for a couple of years as far as anybody knew. And then he showed up, Randy Hales was booking at that time in Memphis and showed up there as a heel. And he was, he didn't have the physique.

He wasn't cut like he was before. but he still had the size so he could carry it off, right? Yeah, he had a run in, I think, what, 91 in WCW opposite Matt Bourne as Big Josh. Yes, that's right. He was, I think, Black Blood maybe. Yeah, the lumberjack had some evil opposition. Yeah. Yes.

And a lot of these guys, when Vince got rid of them in 88, the only place they really had to go because they never ended up working for WCW was the UWF. So a lot of these guys when Herb Abrams started up, you saw them, Ken Patera, Killer Bees, Billy Jack Haynes, Bruno, like everyone that left WWF in 1988 ended up working for Herb Abrams. Well, because he was kind of like an older, poorer, and potentially already crazier version of Tony Kahn.

He just wanted to hire everybody that was available to be hired that he had been a fan of. but with Billy Jack, he OD'd on the plane, which is what the final straw in the WWF was, and he said he was taking 25 pills a day in the 80s of whatever description or kind. And he left guys hanging, and he blamed his head and drugs in the Oregon Wrestling Federation.

And that's when he started doing the shoot promos. He was a big-time Coke dealer. and he did this and that. And I think we talked about it at the time a while back. I do not doubt that Billy Jack Haynes sold some people, some cocaine. I do not doubt that he probably beat a person up a time or two trying to collect some money for himself or other people. He was obviously somebody that would sell people stories and bills of goods

and try to capitalize on it. but then when the stories get so bizarre and so far-fetched and yes the lawyer is advising him to leave certain subjects alone but one of his stories is he delivered Coke to Andy Gibb and he was the witness to the kids on the track murders and his dad was either Vince McMahon senior or Lenny Montana not. The Andy Gibbs story, is it that it was the Coke that killed him or he just sold him Coke? Because that's not outrageous. Well, I think it's the joke that killed him, but even,

but, but, but he just happened to, he's the forest gump of crime and happened to be involved in all these things with all these famous people. If you walk around with pockets of Coke, you could run into all sorts of people. Well, but as Bill Alfonso said, like that, and well, but then he should know. He had the best line of the show. Would Billy Jack just say, well, he would try to allude that he was working for the Clintons from Arkansas. He advised me he said,

why the fuck would Bill Clinton call Billy Jack Haynes? And then sometimes the easiest, most correct answer is the simplest. Why the fuck would Bill Clinton call Billy Jack Haynes? It's a goddamn coaked up lunatic fucking punch drunk as they used to say wrestler

you could probably find more reliable fucking people in the special forces and he said the Bush family was involved in 9-11 and he got beaten up for real by somebody for some reason in 2006

but he told the local journey that was working on his story out there that a local crime family did it at their car lot over a bad Coke deal in the 80s where he ripped him off. Well, why did they wait 20 years? Could it have been for something else or just some random motherfucker that he tried to con and he concocted a story? Because the same journalist said that he told Billy Jack a story about a murder that he was working on that Billy Jack had heard for the first time. And two months later, Billy Jack was telling the journalist that he was there when it happened. Was that a journalist or a cop?

No, that was a journalist that was working on that story. I thought that was a cop, as I remembered back. Okay. But, I mean, and then when he was homeless, Billy Jack, he moved in with Rip Oliver when Rip was dying from cancer, cancer. And Rip's son said he was stealing Rip's pills. and he talked Rippin and doing a deal where they took money from the cauliflower alley club to save Rips house, Rip Dues, dying, and they just split it.

But then he just, again, he was homeless and just moves into this house of a guy that helped break him in and steals his pills and lives in his fucking house when he's dying. And then when his other friend died, that's when he married the friend's mother who was 85 years old, go ahead. You have to hate hearing that if you're someone who donates the cauliflower alley or someone who gives them money, the idea they can be getting scammed like that. That's pretty awful.

Yeah, and all the way and stealing the cancer patient's medicine. I'm glad you brought up his haircut. Although you said Pete Best. Pete Best never really had a mop top. It's more like Brian Jones from the dead. Not from the Grateful Dead from the fucking actual

dead. What a great head of hair. I mean, you saw him in prison. It's all the way trimmed down and no bald spots that are visible. What a great head of hair. Well, you know, that's the way to look at the positive side of things. Brian, you know, he killed his wife and he stole cancer patients medicine and he ripped off all these people, but he had a hell of a head of hair. He had thick head of hair. I think people would kill for something like that. Yeah. Or he might kill them and take their hair? What is he going to do? So kill him and take their hair.

It's the science of the lambs. Yes, that's who's responsible for this whole thing. But the point is, again, he had a friend, and they showed the picture of the friend who was a younger guy. And when he dies, then Billy Jack marries the guy's mother who's 15 years older than Billy Jack. and they the friend that you pointed out of Billy Jacks that was saying oh he loves her he's the only thing in the world or she's the only thing in the world that he loves she's had dementia her family didn't approve of Billy Jack he's found another way to fucking live in somebody's house and then he shoots her in the head and claims it was a mercy killing and it Lynn Denton the co-winner of the line of the show,

shot her in the head and called it a mercy killing. I don't know, brother. I mean, well, that's about, it lends about as wrestling as you can get. I don't know, brother. What the fuck? If you were, if you were going to put an elderly,

infirm, sick, loved one out of their misery, is there a way to do the killing with more mercy than hold still honey i don't want to miss bam and shooting her in the head what about the old pillow smother you saw in the betty davis movies let's not recommend ways to kill uh well i'm just i'm not recommending anything it's up to the individual perpetrator as to whether they want to do these things but i'm saying there's less violent ways of doing it, more merciful. Well, I don't know what you want me to say about that. Well, you could admit that the lambs agree.

I can't speak for the lambs. Who am I? Ba! Ba say! We'll speak for those lambs. Baugh! Humbug! Next week, the Sheik, baby.

I can't wait. I want to see the Sheet. Is that the last episode of the season? I don't know. I haven't been. counting. They're just, they're so good. They just appear before me every week, and I live from week to week for the night when I can watch more. Because you know why? Because you're on it. Because it's only 45 minutes with commercials and there's no actual goddamn wrestling matches from today on it. It's the easiest thing I watch all week. Everything else is three hours long and a

goddamn gymnastics meet in the middle of a goddamn romper room. Have you ever been on more episodes in a season? Well, it's called for. They've done surveys. I agree. You're the highlight of the show very often. I agree. I was the subject of three double-blind clinical trials. And both of those blind people said that I was the best one on the show. That way they got out of the clinic quicker. And the third one sent you the clock.

And the, God damn it, what? It is 10, 47. No, no, it's not. It's not. Next week, the Sheik. All right. Well, let's light a fire. under this show and burn, burn, burn, burn, burn, burn,

burn, baby burn. What the, that's, that's not a pitch to any sponsor. Oh, well, it is your show, so the pitches are all yours. You know what I'm thinking if you haven't heard of, I have no idea. You don't know, or you'll find out. If you haven't heard the Billy Jack Haynes story or any of these other dark side of the ring stories, Brian. You don't want to be left out. You want to hear things. You want to know what's going on in the world. If you haven't heard these stories, maybe the problem is you. Maybe it's not that the stories

aren't being told. Maybe that you're not picking up on them. Because it's not just the laying down of the stories. It's the picking up of the stories. And I have had situations in time. I've told you, I was hit by lightning. And I have a very specialized situation with my hearing. We're every once in a while in a in a in a loud room with a lot of background noise when somebody's talking to me from across the table i just mimic their expression if they're smiling i smile when they laugh i laugh or if they look mad i shake my head and disgust you know why brian because i can't hear one goddamn thing they're saying and i understand there's a lot of people out there in today's world, especially because of the level of background noise, which has never

been louder, if you walk down the street, what do you hear? A bunch of goddamn nonsense, a bunch of honking and a bunch of clattering and a bunch of stepping and a bunch of hammering. And that's, I'm telling you, it's all you can do to just not go crazy with all the noise, noise, noise, and you can't hear people when they're talking. Somebody might come up to you on the street and say, hey, would you like to tickle my taint? And because they smile. then you smile, and the next thing you know, you're in a back alley somewhere doing things that you really didn't think you were going to do that day.

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The AEW I'm just I'm switching my Oh yeah It is not fun to watch this show anymore It used to be even when it was bad There was still a newness You still like would see people pop up Like who the fuck is this

guy. There was still such really bad stuff that at least I knew we'd have some fun stuff to talk about. It seems like there's less of like anything that matters on this show. They are they are down to the kids they've got. The style has won out for the most part. There are some exceptions.

The Hurt Syndicate can't think of any other. where it's the kids that want to perform. They're the actors, they're the auteur's, they're the performers, they're the multi-talented individuals that want to come out and emote, emote is a good word for what, a lot of what they're doing here. And it's just, it's, it's not even as appealing as it was to that of the audience at the start of this thing,

which is this project, of which it was appealing. Because the talent, such as it is, is stale. There are no more game changers. They've buried all of those. The millions of dollars he spent in the last 12 months is already kind of,

and they're working on just making Osprey completely uninteresting. And... I'll wait until we get to Ospre. talk about that but yeah yeah we'll get there because it's and they're they're putting more apparently emphasis on adam page or as the guy called him on twitter magnum lgbta it he comes out there and again this is another one of those things that in these kids mind this sounds good he's concocted this story and he has this material that he's prepared and he's going to deliver,

this is his chance to have the stage all to himself so he can emote about whether we're supposed to cheer for him or not or what we're supposed to think about him or what the fuck he's doing, right? Because it's so confusing. And he comes out there and it's almost like the South Park episode and he's got the spotlight on him. after what happened to me and my family, I wanted revenge and justice, and I found it.

But I took it from another man. I took his only hopes and dreams, and I nearly killed him. And after our cage match, I thought I'd feel joy and closure, but I felt nothing. Because I thought maybe if I went back and finished the job, A.E. killed him, right?

I could go back and finish the job, and I could find that joy and closure, but I couldn't go and finish it, and I don't know why. So then I unleashed that anger on anyone who got in my way because I thought that that would give me some catharsis. Who the fuck talks like this?

It's fake bullshit. It's bad attempts at script writing from some wannabe fantasy Hollywood scriptwriter. and nobody that was actually dangerous as a physical human being in real life would talk like this or have any of these emotions. And when he goes through this goddamn thing, as soon as he mentioned swerve, they chant swerve's house, not because swerves necessarily any more stunningly over, but because that's where they get to chant. and Page says that he'll never forgive or forget what swerve did, but he put it behind him and made the decision to enter the Owen Cup,

and he beat Alexander, and he beat Felcher, and now he's going to face Osprey in the finals at double or nothing, and as soon as he mentions Will Osprey's name, guess whose music plays, Brian? The pony known as Will Osprey. they have been watching the WWE so long, but they're at the same time have been alive, such a short period of time,

that they think this is the way that it's always been and supposed to be. And they're not way past sick and fucking fed up with it yet. And now Osprey comes out so they can do a duet, and they can double emote, demote for the fucking, fans in the audience. And they stare at each other with their mean faces, Brian, while the fans start chanting, happy birthday. Because of course they know it's Will Osprey's birthday.

Why wouldn't they? And Osprey actually apologizes for interrupting. He calls Paige's interview his therapy session. And my God, this continued to go on. Osprey, although after here in Page, he sounded like Heyman a little bit. But he

said he liked how Page showed leadership to the dork order. Jesus Christ! He actually reminded people of that goddamn thing that was probably the first thing that started leading to pages downward spiral years ago.

In booking, not talking about in a story, in the actual booking, is booking's been shit since he had to converse with job guys. And then Osprey said, but last week we saw you smile. And we all want you to beat your demons brub and reclaim your spot. But a double or nothing, I'm not losing. Tony has booked his only two baby faces that anybody gives two shits and a tickle about

to fight each other. Instead of been able to, as we talked about last week, have Felcher in the finals put Osprey over so he can go to the stadium and put an end to this goddamn moxley nightmare like any goddamn rational human being would do.

And now Osprey started screaming. I've been doing the media, the maiden greets. I'm taking pictures with kids, brough. It's not about your redemption. It's about my ascension. Explain to me, Brian, who talks.

like this in real life and who gives a shit to watch people do it. They're soft pussies whining about their spot. There's no real personal issues. No, you broke my leg or you stole my belt or you fucked my woman.

It's either pussy shit that nobody cares about or you burned my house down that nobody believes. Am I exaggerating? With these specific people, no, you're not exaggerating. And I think that's part of the problem. Tony can't book it

and these guys on their own can't come up with things that make sense, things that are good, things that sound real. Adam Page has been like a depressed actor for almost six years now. He's no longer the young guy in the company. He's no longer this guy's going to have a great future. We may have already seen as good as it's going to get from Adam Page. We have seen your future. And then Osprey, I mean, even Dave, I don't know if you saw the quote because of

few people sent it over to me. Dave called that Osprey because he goes out there and he doesn't dress like a star. Did you see that? No, I mean, I agree with it. And that's, you know, shocking that Dave and I would see eye to eye or that he would publicly express that opinion. But no, he dresses like some fucking schlub

like the rest of these guys because they think they're too cool to dress like professionals or stars. The money's the same. so, you know, why not? Why booked this match? Well, anyway, so as they went face to face again, that's Osprey and hangnail,

here comes Don with the whole family. I think Trent, Archer, Alexander, Take a shit was out there. It looks like a size chart. Rocky Romero was out there. Trent was out there. It was ridiculous. But they didn't allow it. It was uneven.

and they didn't line them up in the row. They should have. And the fans are booing Don. That's the thing like Dominic will boo over him. Don actually said that Osprey, the stupidest day that you ever lived was leaving the Don Phallis family. And remember Osprey asked respectively

if he could and Don agreed. Remember we said, that was the stupidest thing I'd ever seen. I've never seen a guy, a heel just, can I, can I leave? Oh, okay. And then he just, tried to cut the promo where Osprey wouldn't trust Page.

But then Osprey took the microphone and his moment was he was going to challenge for a big tag team match, but the fans independently decided to start chanting, fuck Don Callis. So Osprey had to stop and just stand there for like 10 seconds while they got it out of their system. And then he started it again the exact same with the exact same verbiage to challenge for a tag match, but that's when Page grabbed his wrist and gave him a mean look. And they just stared at each other the whole time that Don was accepting a tag match next week and the fans were chanting shut the fuck up at Don.

They were just standing, Osprey at one point was snarling at Paige as they were looking in each other's eyes. Dramatic storytelling. I'm not saying that if it's, of this material was any good and that any of the talent could act that they couldn't pull it off, but they, this ain't it, dog. What are your thoughts on whether this is it or not? I don't think it's it.

I think I've shared most of my thoughts. I think Osprey is a really talented guy, but he seems to just want to be one of the guys. That's why he dresses like a schlub. And Adam Page, I'm just sick of Adam Page. Again, like I said, it's almost six years now. and I don't want to see this character evolve anymore. I want to see this character kind of, I'm sick of him. But we'll see what happens.

I'm not really looking forward to the match as of the second. Briefly, another one of our formerly favorite things has evolved. FTR have just switched heel. and in-ring-wise, let's face it, still, although this is faint or praise than it used to be, they're the best in-ring wrestling working tag team in the company. But they in Stokely now, their manager out of nowhere, come and they start pushing Tony around

and they talk negative about him. Stokely called him a pale, decrepit, pasty piece of shit. And Tony stood up and bowed up at him until FTR. He shoved Tony down and then FTR blocked Tony off. I think Tony could have took him. But they had to cut a promo on Danny Garcia tomorrow on collision. They've just turned heel and they have got nobody to work with. And they're reduced to having to work with Danny Garcia on collision.

So the heel turn didn't elevate him at all because it was done just so they could turn on their best friend who immediately went away. And when he comes back, there's one of him and two of them. So how did this set them up for a tag team program? It could either be Edge and Danny Garcia. A lot of people think eventually we may get Edging Christian, but Edge and Danny Garcia may be a thing. Daniel Garcia is just not it.

They're wasting their time. I could say this now. It's been years. I think it's a waste of time. Well, speaking of a waste of time, we had a world title Eliminator 4-way match with Tony Storm versus Thunder Rosa

versus Anna J versus Penelope Pitstop. And the world title Eliminator 4-way means that the winner of this gets a world title match, right? With one of the world champions they have. And... Well, isn't Tony Storm, one of the world champions they have?

Well, I thought, I don't know what the fuck is going on, but it doesn't matter because I don't care. But at one point in this four-way match, Megan Brain just came out to the ring, because it was on fast forward, I saw her, I stopped,

came out to the ring, just got in the ring and started not only beating people up, but doing random wrestling spots in this match in front of the referee. And they didn't stop it because as the announcer said, well, it's no DQ. Just random people not affiliated can come in and start doing actual spots. And then Harley Cameron came out and chased her off with a fake lead pipe.

And the match continued and Tony Storm won. So once again, all these little details, does it really matter? The, and all this does is teach these guys and girls that this shit, is normal and is somehow going to work and get over because the checks cash. So they think it's good. If you held them to a standard, how about what was the reason why

Action Andretti and Leo Rush were just wandering around the arena and the crowd? Well, they're a tag team. Obviously, they're checking out the competition. But there was no competition wrestling. And they came out before any tag team had even emerged to begin with, and they're just wandered around. And then they didn't do anything. Did they?

Did they do anything? I don't think so, no. Do you really ever see where they went? They probably found some seats. So here comes the Hurt Syndicate after Andretti and Rush find their seats. NMVP introduces them and gets the big cheers and asks the question, been asking. Where are all the best tag teams? Why aren't they stepping up? Is anybody around here got what it takes?

And suddenly music plays and I swear to God, Darius and Dante Martin came out with looks on their faces like I don't know, fucking Ethel and Julius Rosenberg had before their fucking execution. It was, it just automatically. I mean, the one started,

hey, this is actual material. We've been a little down on our luck lately. So if we see this as an opportunity, that's the way the baby faces came out to confront the heel tag team champions. We've been down on our luck lately. We see this as an opportunity. We're underdogs.

Nobody has any, this is their material. We're underdogs. Nobody has their money on us. But while the other guy was speaking, the one was looking scared, shitless. And then they said, Detroit, we've proven we can hold our own. You want to see a miracle?

And the fans were like, eh, no, they didn't want to see a miracle. Well, they might have wanted to see a miracle, but they didn't see any miracle workers. And so this is the level of competition that comes out. And then as they finish their promo basically saying, look, we're nobody and we never win and nobody thinks we're going to now. But what the fuck?

It doesn't matter if you kill us. Just fight us. And then MJF comes out from behind and levels both these guys and gets a fuck. cheered out of it. They're just fan. M.J.F. MJF. And he beat up both the baby faces and one of them,

if you can call it bleeding. I think he had a little bladeitis did one of the Martins and he got a pap smear. But these guys, by the way, will dive off the fucking roof, but they will not blade their fucking head a fucking half an inch.

Give me that choice every day if I've got to do one of the two, I'll remain on the ground with the sword in my hand. And so then MJF, after he's laid waste of these two goofaces, gets in the ring and gets up in Bobby Lashley's face and says, I hurt people and a place blue. Yay! And the fans started chatting, we hurt people.

And then Lashley's big response where he was apparently, he did say, apparently, I'll give you your answer next week. His microphone was turned off for the first half of the goddamn thing. But anyway, so now next week we're going to get our resolution, and we've also seen that there ain't a lot of tag teams around there, and at least MJF is starting to use the coin of the realm that the Hertz Syndicate deal in.

Brian, again, except for the first. fact that the Martin brothers just looked like cooked gooses when they wandered out there. What did you think? Yeah, when they wandered out there and then one guy beat both of them up. Well, but in all fairness, he came from behind. That's right. Where was Leo and Action Andretti? That's what I'd like to know.

Well, they found their seats. What do you think will happen next week? You think it's as simple as they let MJF in? Do they keep it going? Do they say swerve? We're going to let Cedric in. To Cedric's a free agent again. What do you think will happen?

Well, but I don't know. You never know whether, what's their relationship with Cedric these days? How did he end up there back there at the Evil Empire while the other Hertz were free and clear to join this band of Mary pranksters? What was that trajectory like? Did Cedric bail on the Hertz? I don't know if it was, uh, whose decision was what, but I guess the point is, what do you think is going to happen? Well, I think they better have a decision next week,

or now it's going to get old, because now he's done that. So we need to turn the page, enter the new chapter, whatever cliche that you would want to use. We need to see what's going to be next, because there's really no way that you can put this off again after that presentation without people go, oh, come on now.

But if he joins, then hopefully we will just be revving this thing up. But again, we got the problem. Who are they going to work with? Well, there you go. That was going to be my next question. FTR just turned heel and these guys are kind of heel, but it could go either way.

But they just turned heel and they're doing something else with other people. Moxley and Claudio, at least look-wise, it's not ridiculous in there. But Moxley is the singles champion. Exactly. you can't but utah would make it ridiculous looking you to being competitive with Shelton right Bobby they crippled pack the other week pack's not there Brian Cage is out again injured

yeah so that tag team him and Lance Archer even though they already kind of ran through them I think they ran through the guns already no they were going to have that match and then he got hurt before they had it oh that's what it was what were the guns what ever happened to them oh uh gut um apparently they got unloaded the bucks are not going to be working with the Hurt syndicate I can't imagine no

no they won't be and the Hurt syndicate would I don't know if anybody would be man enough to walk up to the Hurt syndicate and pitch that preposterous idea well I guess the question now that I'm thinking about all these options and you know even do they need to be baby faces well theoretically they are

already are, but they don't need to act like it because that will remove the appeal. But who they work with, in terms of who they work with, actually, I'm thinking more than anything, because I can think of lots of heel options. Not that they're good. And some of them we have to kind of put together, but there aren't any baby face options. They ain't a lot of options. And that's, again, they can't fall into trap because the people are cheering for the Hurt syndicate, make them baby faces, and suddenly MVP can't do anything.

when an opposing manager interferes or, you know, Shelton Benjamin's not going to launch a guy with a suplex because they're double teaming Lashley, but he hasn't got the tag and the referee's keeping him out. Then the problem with AEW is all of their baby faces have been presented as so impotent with tiny, tiny little penises that do not function and they never win and they always get taken advantage of

and they're suckers for a goddamn, not even a good story line of bullshit. And the heels look cooler in contrast. When you had cool heels, Rick Flair, the four horsemen, but the goddamn baby faces were just as cool, road warriors, Magnum T.A., whatever. Then it, that works. But not an undertaker and the Heart Foundation

and Sean Michaels, and when all those people were on opposite sides. That works, but not when their fucking spitball Bailey. Anyhow. You know what the problem is is that the Hurt Syndicate are open for business,

but they only deal in the currency of violence, Brian, and a lot of people are not able to reach into their pocket and pull out a good old-fashioned ass-whip. That's the problem right there. You need to have in your back pocket, ladies and gentlemen, at all times if you're going to be in business, a good old-fashioned ass-whip.

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where the Buccaroos were in the back playing heel so O'Sleepy could say bitch, and Rikishay could get in there and be all Stooggi. And then the Buccane opened the door to go in their locker room, and there's the boar horsemen sitting there in the dark lighting with the spookiness like it's the dungeon. So they're going to have some interaction. And then we go to the Ring.

The Ring of Honor World TV title, which is now owned by Nick Plain, with Christian Cage and Mama and the whole. group. They bring Rhino in to be Nick's opponent. Rino was from Detroit. People remembered him. He was over with him. He was probably one of the more popular guys when the people saw him on the show because they remember him when wrestling was kind of good. And he was good. And he looks more like Bam Bam Bigelow right now. He's gained a little weight, but he's retired. right? But the fans were into him. I don't think that anybody, including Rhino, wanted to go 15 minutes at 100 miles an hour with this kid, but what the fuck was? They beat him in two minutes,

and it was so preposterous. It literally, Rhino does a tackle, and then this dip shit just cut him off. He didn't heal him. He just stopped him, put a boot up, and drop kicked him off the turnbuckle. didn't even poke him in the eye. And he gets 30 seconds of heat. And then Rino makes a comeback. Kid takes three bumps. Rhino hits him with a spine buster. It looked like a million dollars got a two count and went for the gore.

And again, the kid avoided the gore and caught Rino with the, I don't know what they call it now, the unprettier Christians finish. But not in any cheating way. and it looked like shit. And you could tell it he didn't know how to do it. And boom, it just, it was there. And he covered him one, two, three. And the fan started chatting bullshit, bullshit.

They weren't chatting bullshit because the guy won. They were chatting bullshit because of how it happened. And in the time it happened in. Well, you know, the company's whole thing is pushing the quality. of the matches and then you do something like this where the fans are actually excited to see a match and you take it away quickly. What do you expect? Exactly.

And I, it is a great, I'm always up for seeing Rhino. But if he wasn't up for, you know, in shape for whatever for six or seven minutes and the kid be a heel so that it meant something, then just don't do it.

Hey, uh, what do you think of this Christian Nick Wayne thing? Is it worth it for it to play out? Are you into it at all? Or do you just want it all to go away? I think at this point it all needs to go away because the whole thing is

if this is going to be some way that they can eventually, as you're predicting, get Christian an edge back together. It's an awful odd way to go about it. I don't know if this is that, I think, eventually. Well, they ought to, they ought to get moving. It's not like anybody wants to wait six months to see the resolution of any of this

shit. Because the other option is that I'm all for elevating people, and Edge certainly should elevate people, but not Daniel Garcia. You know, so if it's like Edge and Daniel Garcia versus FTR, I rather am just team of Christian and let's get some memorable tag matches. Well, but also here's the Christian, instead of spending this much time on, as I mentioned on last week's show, Nick, one. sure he's a wonderful young man they signed him before he was ready he looks like any other indie guy he's

19 or 20 years old he needs to be bigger he needs more experience need somebody tell him how to fucking be a heel if he's going to be one and he's on national tv if they had to put christian with hobbs and give him this concerted long-term umph behind him or again where's wardlo Where's Wardlow? On top of the mountain? Is he it? He's on top of the mountain waiting for Derby. They're going to pull the trigger on that.

It's going to be the biggest angle in the history of wrestling. But the point is if they pick the proper talent to put veterans with to try to bring them up, it might work. But the Danny Garcia's and the Wheeler Uselesses and the Nick Plains of the world are not them. And then it just gets in the way. And then they shortchange the people. there and then the next match they think well this will make up for it where again you have to sit through ricochet and mattie and nicky the buckaroos going 20 minutes or whatever the fuck

it is with poor mark briscoe hong kong fooey and swerve strickland swerve one of their main event guys is teaming up with poor mark briscoe who just won a match last week after three years and Ricky Steamboat's little daughter. It doesn't it doesn't make any goddamn sense. It looks visually ridiculous. And then when the Buccaneu's come in, the people are said they don't give a shit

because they don't want to see those two little ass wipes. They can't get any reaction unless they overwhelm people with spots so that by the time you're done reacting to the first thing, the next thing has happened, and that keeps happening. And then you're exhausted. And then you clap. And then it makes no difference when more people do it, because you've already seen it.

And then one person after another runs into the center of the ring and does their spot, and then the other person lays down on it. I mean, we've seen everything they do. Yeah. The crowd doesn't give a shit about them. No, if you want a review of the match, listen to one that we did from five years ago, because it's the same thing.

but now with more fooey. And again, what is the audience for Dush Bailey? Is effeminate midget fans of kung fu movies? Who is the target audience for that grinning nitwit? I want to see him go in there with the Hurt Syndicate. Everyone's like, he's a black belt. Okay, put him in there with Lashley. He'll be a black and blue belt.

And then, finally they ended it one of the Buccourous Pins Swirb with a small package. They beat swerve. It was Matt Buccaroo, I believe. Well, there you go. And in the back,

before we go any further with the ring action, they had MJF and Osprey do a face-to-face that went way too long with just the two of them, where the announcer just fucking powders out as soon as there's any goddamn interplay between the talent.

And MJF story is he wants Osprey to win the Owen and go to all-in and win the title. So then he can fight Osprey and it'll be easy to win his belt back. And Osprey's mumbling back at MJF and MJF's insulting Osprey. And he's nobody's on the level of the devil. And Osprey says, I am. Because, you know, he's a goddamn, he looks like Osprey could double for the head of a hell's angels. chapter.

And Renee Moxley Good had a sit down with Jamie Hater. It might have been Velma from Scooby-Doo. I'm not sure which. That's 70s girl. Yeah, what are Mike Awesome's busy? What is, she looked like a single mom in 1975 going to a hearing on custody. Like what? She, no, she had an audition for the Austin Power sequel.

What is? What is happening with Jamie Hayder? She was cutting a promo on Mercedes Moon and Mercedes jumped in the room and attacked her and Jamie chased her out of the room and they fought into the arena where they had a horrible fight where they couldn't even time a one, two,

and in the entrance way, they did a duck the clothesline spot where Mercedes ducked the clothesline and ran off and Jamie Hater, when Mercedes ducked her clothesline and ran off, Jamie Hater never turned around to see where Mercedes ran. Or to see if she had just stopped for that matter. She just looked at the camera and was mugging like, see, she runs off every time. Because that was the way they called it in lockroom, so she didn't have to look, she knew.

And then while she's saying that, well, she just runs off every time Mercedes ran back out and fucking knocked the shit out of her from her. and put her in the STF. So you got another baby face. It's such a fucking idiot that they can't goddamn look behind them to see if the person is that they're fighting is still there. And now think about this,

Jamie Hader got outsmarted by, as we've recently found out, a woman who regularly gets stranded of her own volition in the fucking woods. Oh, that was in Monet Mag, from what I understand. Yes, yes. We may need to revisit that on the driver. through Monet Mag.

I'm sure there's, I'm sure stories of her getting lost in major cities and small town locales and countryside. How many of the stories will be an assistant? Her and an assistant. Well, one of the team. The team. Member of the team. So anyway, moving on,

I'm just going to get, there's only two more things here. This may be the briefest or the, uh, the quickest we well, because it's gotten ridiculous. And I'm going to make a point here, shortly, stay tuned for it on what we need to do to see if there's any hope for this company. But nevertheless, they had a big match. Remember they brought Kevin Knight in just a couple weeks ago? And as we mentioned, he got a look to him and he seems athletic and he's taller than, you know,

the sign to ride the ride at six flags. He looks like he would fit in an NXT. He looks at he's been really good. and so they've been beating a shit out of him. You've beaten him every time you see him. Never seen him win. And now they put him in a single match. And by the way,

Randy Orton did an interview talking about picking Joe Hendry for his WrestleMania opponent. And he said, and I'm paraphrasing, but this is pretty close to it. They had a number of options, but they didn't want to debut Rusev or another guy that he mentioned in a match with him because he had to win since he was going on to face Sina and you wouldn't under any circumstances want to bring a guy

in that you have plans for and beat him his first time on television. Randy just said the most plain basic, simple fact of a goddamn wrestling business, and it's a revelation to these numb nuts is over here. So Kevin Knight wrestled, oh, sleepy. And I guarantee you that somebody told poor Kevin Knight, and he probably believes that, oh, because it'll be a great match against this legendary Japanese wrestler, you'll look better because of it.

but the way they gave him an out was they've got, remember Rush, Brian? Roosh, rush. Yes, rev it up and get it started. He's back, and he's got a problem with Kevin Knight because of some other goddamn thing that they did or are doing. So, O'Sleepy goes to the ring, and then Kevin Knight is introduced,

and as he's coming down the, not even a ramp, just the entrance way out from the fucking screen, Rush attacked him and beat the shit out of him. Bounced him off the railing and the ring steps and the blah, blah, blah, and out came spitball to save him. And Rush just fucking blew this little prick off as he should, but as he does all the other baby faces, just scoffed at the idea he should run.

And after that Rush is beating the shit out of Kevin Knight, then Kevin Knight rolled into the ring and Aubriette rang the bell to start the match. Okay, so I guess they're going to give him the out of now that he's been beaten up by Rush, then O'Sleepy's going to beat him in a minute or two and, well, golly. No, they started off having a goddamn match. Now, O'Sleepy was in charge. He was slowly doing as few things as possible. possible while the fans nodded off, but they went through a break. And when they came back,

Kevin Knight was making a comeback. I wrote, then what the fuck was rush for? Have these idiots ever even watched wrestling? This match went 10 minutes after that the guy had come out and kicked the shit out of Kevin Knight. So any residual damage that he had from that attack has been nullified and negated by him now making a comeback on and being competitive with goddamn O Sleepy, who then beat him with that shitty clothesline. But not before we saw that Kevin Knight was fine doing all of his shit, the angle before the match meant jack shit,

and now he just did a goddamn flat job in the middle of the ring. What is the matter with these people? these people being what Tony any of these people these cumulative people Tony con the wrestlers that are going along with this

some of them that are pitching ideas for this because Tony can't write all this shit by himself he just wouldn't have time he's getting input and he's getting the input right up the old poop shoot and then Samoa Joe and Claudio was in the main event again. I mean, it seems like we've seen this a lot, even if we haven't,

because it's the goddamn boar horseman and poor Samoa Joe again. Who's going to get his chance at the world title next week on free TV and a cage match, which means I believe it's cage, I think, but that means he ain't going to win it. And they got a stadium show coming up. nobody's ready to take the thing off of Moxley because nobody understands what the fuck his issue is and they went past 10 o'clock and joe choked claudio and he tapped out and then when the boor horseman and dick the boozer came out hobbs came in with a chair and they just beat

claudio up with the chair while the rest of them just watched and that was the end of that Well, that's... Go ahead, please. I'm just saying it's more of the same shit that got them in this position to begin with, and now they just can't stop doing it. That's it. There's no brain trust. There's no one there who can execute and think right about these things and write to TV.

So, you know, when there isn't a backbone at the end, because Tony Kahn thinks he knows everything about wrestling. He doesn't understand, as you pointed out many, many times, what to do, when to do it, how to do it, why to do it. He doesn't. But he's seen it, so he does it. And then no one gets any further than they've been, and everyone feels like they're just floating in water.

Another AEW dynamite. I'm getting sick of this show, I have to say. Well, and that's the thing is that there are no money matches. and there are because he picks even if he wants to redo stuff that he's seen done in the past he picks the wrong people to do it in hindsight

what if you know a completely different actor played Rocky or whatever it some things just work with a particular person he can't pick talent and he can't pick the talent to listen to because he's

He's indie-minded, so he naturally gravitates to the kids that want to play wrestling instead of the guys that want to be major stars. And so there's no money matches. You can't say for the World Tag Team title, I'd love to see this fucking goddamn angle come to a big conclusion because there ain't none. Say the world title, we haven't even seen the belt because of this lunatic fucking Moxley's. goddamn fantasies that he's got about this underground tough guy club that he's president of. And the roster, there's some talent there, not as much as there used to be, but it's hidden by all the indie shit to where that it's just diluted. It's watered down.

Should we go up and down? We did this a few years ago when there actually was still some element of hope. was before the WWE took off, Vince took off and the WW pulled ahead. Should we go up and down the roster and see if there's 30 guys that we could keep an AEW that would make the backbone of a promotion if they were used right? It's been a long time. It's been probably four years or so since we've done that. If we're going to do it for one, we have to do it for the other, I think.

Well, I think we ought to do it for these people first because they may need help. You know, it's interesting. As you're saying this, I'm just. thinking about, like, tag team division, you got a star tag team with Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin with MVP. They've got no division to work with. Women's division. I think Megan Bain has shot out of a cannon as a star. She hasn't done very much, but just aura, presence, and size alone. She looks like a star. In AEW, that's a big deal. When someone actually looks like a star, you got to run with that. Yes. The division. Now, and,

here's one thing. Does she have the personality or the experience on the microphone and the ability to fucking take it and run with it? Or does she need, is she one of these top attractions that needs a smaller, less cosmetically marketable, but more savvy veteran? Like, should a Bailey be alongside her? I'm not, you know, what she needs is someone to be in charge of a division

that's actually going to be run well? Well, that would be another thing else. Kevin Knight, they signed him and I told you know I said it right away he's really athletic he got a great jump looks good fans are into him seems that he could do what everyone else is doing and he looks a little bit more like a star so they've beaten him every single week and that's a and they spent a lot less money on him than they spent on Mercedes and on Osprey on oh sleepy they paid Mercedes mona so much money she has a team she has an assay

assisting her with what for how much a year? I mean, that's just stupid money for someone who doesn't generate it. I think honestly, I think some of these positions are, and the importance of said positions are being exaggerated somewhat for the effect

that she wants to give, which is that she's still trying to make people believe she's a star. She believes it. So my team could be this girl that I went to high school with that hangs out with me because she gets to travel with me. Yeah, hi, it's very nice to meet you. I'm the publisher of Monet Mag, perhaps you've heard of. We're on newsstands nowhere. My name is Ethel Guccione. Well, I think it's a good idea to review the roster because it's probably names we're not thinking of. You know, I'm okay with

Darby. I'm not saying everyone has to be a big guy, but when every single person is just small and doesn't feel like a star and the people that are wrestler size disappear for years at a time seemingly, something needs to be evaluated. And again, we'll do WWE if we're going to do AEW down the road. Well, speaking of evaluating things, what are they evaluating over at the Arcadian Vanguard Network this week? Oh, another big week of shows.

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fucking figure the rest of this out and get out of here, did anybody watch this television program that we just discussed this past week? That is a very interesting question. Before I answer that, Jim, let me just tell you, according to Russell Ticks, A.W. Dynamite Wednesday, May 7, 2025, the Masonic Temple Theater, Detroit, Michigan. Tickets distributed 2,954.

Ooh. Well, I mean, it was respectable in the theater, but it is off-putting now. We said they should run smaller buildings, but I guess there are no smaller arenas in most places. In a theater setting, it's disconcerting to see that big video screen just right behind the ring on the left-hand side and no seats, no distance, no ramp, no nothing.

It's there. They come out of the wall. I thought about that during a women's match, I think when Anna J hit the ring and turned the pose to the camera, I'm thinking the fans just watched her walk out there. She acknowledged them. and then she turns away from them to pose for the camera

where there are no fans. It's just, you know, it's bizarre when you're not just in that big empty arena when it's literally a theater where there's just cameras on one side. With that being said, I thought it looked cool.

I actually like the look, especially the backstage stuff, when all of a sudden you're doing your promos and like a classy stale. Yeah, the wood paneling. Yeah, the wood paneling looked nice. And no, in the theater, it looked like the Hammerstein Ballroom,

uh, look with the, box seats and the various. So that looks nice. It's an old-fashioned theater. It's just it's disconcerting a little bit to see that giant video wall right next to the ring. Just for the

record, the last time they were in Detroit according to Russell Ticks here, the Little Caesar's Arena for Dynamite, May 2023 8,173. Ooh, well, but they didn't make it this time. Obviously that just means more people at home

Let's get to the ratings here. Jim, AEW Dynamite on TBS, Wednesday, May 7th, 8 to 10.05 p.m. On average, watched by 629,000 viewers. Is that not what it was last week? It is, it is, last week was 629. It's exactly what it was last week. At this point, how was that? I guess coincidences happen.

It says here, confirmed by Resslemics, the total viewership and key demo rating are the same as last week. And then in caps, this is not an error. Because that would be anyone's first thought. Well, we said that they are down to the people and pretty much are going to watch this no matter what they do. And maybe that's, you know, that's it right now. Well, let's get to these ratings. and again, these were compiled by WrestleMania on TBS

May 7th, 2025, quarter one, 8 to 8.15 p.m. The Adam Page, Will Osprey, and Don Calus Live promo confrontation, 714,000 viewers. Okay, I'm going to say

that is a little bit below possibly where they started last week, just off the top of my head. It's in the, range. I don't know exactly what it was last week. But we go to quarter two, 815 to 8.30 p.m. The Stokely-Hathaway FTR Live promo. The Anna J. Harley Cameron backstage promo. I like both those women. That was ridiculous, that promo. Oh, I didn't even mention it because all I was going to say was the fakeest, silliest, stupidest bunch of shit I've ever seen. And the start of

Tony Storm versus Thunder Rosa versus Penelope Ford versus Anna J. With picture picture, 719,000 viewers. Good Lord. So apparently the amalgamation of Tits Incorporated got the sexually frustrated AEW audience to 5,000 more of them to join the jump on the party on the bandwagon. That's unusual.

When's the last time they picked up in their second quarter? I don't know. Last week, I think they were pretty respectable in the second quarter, but I don't remember if it was up. I don't think it was. Well, quarter three. But maybe something else was up. That's why. Quarter three, be professional.

Quarter three, eight 30, eight 45 p. Wait, you want me to charge for it? That's illegal. The continuation of the four-way match, the post-match, an ad break, and the Hurt Syndicate's confrontation with Top Flight, and MJF's live angle. 677,000 viewers. Again, very respectable, only 23, 42,000 down the Hertz and MJF in that segment.

So what I'm seeing now is the last part of this show is going to suck donkey balls, but go ahead. We're going out of quarter four, 845 to 9 p.m. The Elite and Rickashay backstage. That's what's going to start. started. An ad break. Nick Wayne versus Rhino, the post match with the patriarchy, Rosh's backstage promo in a very nice staircase, and he was wearing a sweater. The whole thing was very classy. 662,000 viewers. Okay, so the second hour of the program is going to fall in a

fucking hole that reaches all the way to the core of the earth. They are still not down. This is the most consistent first hour in the history of the show. And they're still not down to what their average was. So what the fuck happens? We go now to the big nine o'clock hour, Jim, quarter five, nine to nine 15 p.m. The start of Mark Briscoe, speedball Mike Bailey, and swirms. of Strickland versus Ricochet and the Young Bucks

with picture and picture 631,000 viewers. Okay, it begins. They lost 31,000 at the top of the hour with their EVPs and some of their alleged major stars, but that's still, it's only

30,000, it's this show, nothing to worry about yet. Right, you forgot about Buck syndrome. What's going out of quarter six, 915, and 9.30, p.m. The continuation of the six-man tag team match. MJF and Will Osprey backstage

an ad break. Jamie Hayter's 1976 backstage interview, Mercedes Monet and Hayter's ramp angle, Willow Nightingale and Chris Stathlander's backstage angle. 550,000 viewers. Ouch. Okay.

There's the club. The Buck Effect is 81,000 people and 112,000 in the 30 minutes since they had appeared on the screen for the first time. Yeah, they're starting to leave in droves. Well, we go now to quarter 7, 930 to 9.45 p.m. Lafacione ignobarale, or whatever that is,

and Kevin Knight's live angle. Live angle? What angle was that? Was it more than Roosh? Was there another person? Remember when they talk to each other that's an angle. I must have missed whoever. I think they're talking about the rush thing there. There was another Yehu wandering around.

Oh, see, I missed that. And then Ocada versus Kevin Knight with picture and picture. Oh, my God. The champion of putting people to sleep. The post match with Speedball Mike Bailey. Oh, my God. The champion of running people off. And a Don Callis backstage promo.

Oh my God, the champion of please don't do this anymore. 555,000 viewers. They got 5,000 back. What a combination. People had to think, what the fuck, this will never happen again, all this rotten television all at the same time. I'm not holding out a lot of hope for quarter eight, by the way. We're going now to quarter eight.

We have a five-minute overrun, 9.45 to 10 p.m., quarter eight, an ad break. the Hurt Syndicate's backstage promo and the start of Claudio versus Samoa Joe with picture and picture 540,000 viewers 5-minute overrun continuation of the match and the post-match

with Powerhouse Hobbs and Moxley 583 Okay now again the 43,000 for the five minutes they're getting credit for modern families time there that doesn't make any sense that people would tune in. So just to see the climax of this thing. So actually it wasn't bad as I thought.

I thought to make the average, they'd have to get down to around the 500 mark, but they only lost 174,000 from the start of the program to the finish of regulation. I guess that ain't bad. It's the same people now. It's the same people and even they get tired. when you get to where there's 30 or 45 minutes left in this show and they know

they've seen everybody that they give a shit about, you know, it's time to beat traffic in their living room. Yeah, I'll admit it. I went to bed early. I missed the main event. Well, but so did, well, there's thousands of people, depending on where you want to start from. But let's say, we're going to do that next week.

We will look through the roster. or did they still advertise the people that work for this company? They have something on their official website. Has anybody taken out a complaint? Don't tell people I work for you. They have something on their website, and we'll see if there's any other official source that can list the entirety of the roster.

Well, in that case, then we will go through the entirety of that. But are you entirely done with the entirety of the numbers here? I am so hungry right now. I'm ready to go and eat something. Well, in that case, I'll tell you what, I could gnaw somebody's leg off right now myself. So we're going to go and find something to eat folks. And until then, we see you on the drive-through and next week on the experience.

Thank you. Fuck you. And bye-bye, everybody.