Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 608: Blood & Guts

Episode Date: November 18, 2025

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite Blood & Guts! Plus Jim talks about the 2025 class of the Wrestling Observer Hall Of Fame, the last penny, Andrew Mountbatten Windsor, Jim Clinstock, the Farmer's Almanac, and much more! Thanks to our episode sponsors: SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce. HELIX:  Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 27% Off Sitewide exclusive for listeners of the Jim Cornette Experience!  BRUNT:  Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code JCE at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/jce #Bruntpod AURA FRAMES:  Exclusive $45 off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/JCE or use promo code JCE. @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's in Cornet. The keys to the future. Hell by Annette. Rips and butts and Tony the putts wouldn't be nuts. A.W jumps the shark and trips on the way over it. Plus, we'll have some talk about actual legitimate pro wrestling,

whether it's the Hall of Fame or the Hall of Shame. And joining me for all this and more. Hawaiian Brian the podcasting line, the King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. co-host to you, he's the jaws of podcasting, so you're going to need bigger ears. Be great. Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim, a pleasure to be here once again. You know, we got to start the show off with good news this week. Guess who beat who this week?

Oh, I don't know. The University of Louisville beat the University of Kentucky and college basketball. Soundly and convincingly, I might add. What a game, though. But we got a brand new coach, Coach Kelsey, he's goddamn just popular now. He's gotten over in town. He's a little just weasily looking white guy.

It's about five foot six or whatever he looks like on the TV news. But he has come in and taken over this program. He's got a great personality. he's got great players. For 10 years, we have been sidelined, the University of Louisville Cardinals, and now we're getting back in action and we beat the Wildcats.

So we got that going for us. 2013, we were the national champions and then between Petino's scandals and recruiting violations and hookers and pimps, I don't know what the fuck was going on over there. We had to give all that shit back and we've had a shit program with 18 coaches booked like AEW for all these years.

And now we're, but you don't sound thrilled that we're back. And I'm very happy for you. I'm very happy for you. It seems to really matter a lot to you. So for you, I'm very happy, you know,

however they recruit people, whatever they do. whatever it is they're doing over there you hope they do more of it if I like the hookers and the pimps and whatever it is they're doing over there no there was all that was all beforehand that was all in a past now I'm sure it's a perfectly clean program now congratulations this this coach doesn't look like he'd get a blowjob in a bathroom at carabas those are the people you have to worry about well he but he reminds me of Brian Hildebrand he really does the way he's so energetic and happy and peppy.

And it's the same time just a very short little white fellow. He's, but he's just, he's a ball of energy. You know what else happened this week, Brian? What's that? The last ever penny was minted this week.

Because they now cannot afford to make pennies. They can't afford to make the money. You have no thoughts on pennies. I mean, specifically, This is that we've had pennies since we've had a country. I know, but to be honest, if they cost more to make them, they're actually worth, and no one really wants to use them, and any digital commerce they're not used at all,

I'm okay with rounding up a little bit and losing that scent. But no, no, it, it, it, it, it bothers my OCD. You can't be exact now. Why can't they just make pennies out of your? cheaper shit. They're stealing copper wire out of the goddamn, they've got a task force here in Louisville now because the copper thieves are stealing the copper wire out of the interstate floodlights, spotlights, whatever, causing the interstate to go dark and increasing wrecks because the copper is worth so much money. So why can they not make pennies out of something else? Aluminium. Aluminum

penny you know what they did in world war two don't you when copper was at a premium steel pennies that's why the 42 43s and 44s maybe the 45 i can't remember it's been so long since i've been a child are silver in color because they were not made out of copper because of the war effort why can't they do that again why have i not heard one person bring up any of these arguments are making. Exactly. I haven't heard anyone mention any of these things. Nobody has a grip on the fucking obvious.

Just make it out of cheaper shit. Don't force everybody to goddamn round up or round down or throw off people's mathematics or have some kind of Y2J fiasco allegedly going to go on. Just goddamn make the pennies out of cheaper shit. End of fucking problem. But again, a penny, the value of a penny is changed.

dramatically in 50 years, let alone 100 years, you can't buy anything for a penny. Ben, why don't they figure out the price of everything, so including the tax, it all comes out even to begin with? Why don't they? I don't know. Well, there's another goddamn thing I'm saying to you. What is the matter with the whole world has gone mad? We don't know how to figure this out.

We'll just stop making the shit. we've had him for 250 years there in the 1700s Brian the United States had a half-cent coin did you know that well I did know that but again there's a difference between oh now now you're mr. goddamn numismatic fucking champion of the world you knew that already I knew that my point being there's a they're not getting rid of coins they're getting rid of the penny there will still be plenty of coins You could still jingle around your coins. You could still think of Vince McMahon Sr. with his quarters. You could still have fun with change.

You can't be correct. They got rid of the halfpenny. Exactly. They got rid of the half penny. That's because a lot of people decided, you know what? The half penny, which as I remember was about the size of a goddamn half a dollar would be today. It was big around things at a half cent. But that's not, you can be exact.

without being exact down to another decimal point. See, now we just need to round everything off to the nearest dollar. Fuck the goddamn coins in. If we're going to do this to the innocent little penny, do the fuck nickels and dimes and quarters and half a dollar. Again, you're the only person, and I'm saying this not to dismiss what you're saying, but actually just as a point of fact, you're the only person I've heard raise any of these arguments and defend the penny.

Everyone else seems ready to say, okay, you've had your run. it's time to leave the terrible. Jesus Christ, I'm glad you're never going to be in a fucking health care decision-making position for me. Okay, you've had your run. You're not a couple of penny. We can't be bothered with looking at goddamn alternatives. Just get the fuck rid of grandpa. Jesus Christ.

Commerce is in a bad enough position in this country today without taking away some of the money. They're taking away enough of the money already. Leave us the penny. You'd think they'd want us to have the pennies? What are your thoughts on the silver dollar? I love silver dollars. Silver dollars to me are the symbol of American money. Whether it be the old West where they'd slap that silver dollar down on the fucking saloon bar,

or they would pay off the various bounty hunters in the silver dollars, or it but not the new silver dollars now only the the morgans and the the peace dollars and maybe the standing liberties but I love the Morgan is my favorite

I have a number of those since I was a child they look old they look valuable and got some value to them all right what about half dollars well not so much when they were silver it was one thing, but then they kind of polluted them,

you know, and watered them down. And then after Kennedy, you know, what the fuck? I really like a good Ben Franklin half a dollar. Because he had such a, a head that was shaped for a half dollar coin.

You couldn't have put him on a dime. He wouldn't have fit. And finally, Jim, to round out the roster, what about the $2 bill? I got some of those too. I've showed those to people I think they're fake.

I've been alive long enough that people actually fucking, uh, commerce and, you know, trans, had trans actions in two dollar bills that would pull them right out of their pocket. They still make them, right? I don't know. You know what I haven't seen. I don't often see $50 bills anymore, but Brian.

Huh. Yeah. Do you remember the five hundreds and the thousands? I've heard about them. I've never actually seen $500 bills or $1,000 bills, no. I have, because again, you know, back in the 80s, had, you know, finances coming in back in the glory days of wrestling. I've had a number of $500,000 bills, and they were cool also, and you don't see them anymore.

You know what else you don't see anymore? And again, there wasn't a Jim Cornett arguing, you got to keep the $500 bill. We can't do this, commerce, and whatever your argument is. Well, no, because that would be ridiculous. Because you can just take $500 bills and make a $500.

Now, the $1,000 bills were cool because you could pack a fucking wad that wouldn't choke a horse but still have a lot of money on you. It was good if you wanted to secrete them in fucking little places that people wouldn't think to look for a large amount of money. Do you currently pay for anything in change?

I don't know how many places you would actually have a transaction nowadays, but when you go to the supermarket, do you pay with change or to use a card? No, I use the card now because they look at you like you've got turds hanging out of your mouth if you try to give them money. I'd never used to pay with change. I would pay with cash up until, I don't know, a number of years ago. When again, they stopped being able to figure out how to count it. But I would take the change and that I would collect it.

And once a year, I would take. I would take a big bag of change to the bank and they provided the counting service and would deposit it in my account and I'd have $300 in change or whatever. Now the bank won't count it anymore. You say, you got to count it. So I got a jug down there with about $6,000 and fucking change

because I ain't got time to count it. All right, well, this has been dollars and cents. But you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to keep all the pennies now. because one of these days, one of these days, I'm telling you, somebody's going to need some pennies bad,

and then I've got the market cornered. You know, I'm going to charge four cents piece for them. I'll have you know. Wouldn't it be funny if we find out, like, copper pennies or the kryptonite to whatever alien beings land here on the planet?

Just grab some round pieces of copper. That's the only thing that will small, round pieces, flat pieces of copper. Throw those pennies. Those what? What are pennies? Throw those! All righty, real quickly, I want to send our best wishes to

a listener named Raymond's, and this, I'm going to spell it because I'm not sure I'm pronouncing it right, but R-A-I-M-U-N-D-S. Raymond's, or Ramon-U, help, just you, you know who you are. Raymond. Well, you do and you'll clean it up. But no, but in seriousness now, being serious here, our listener, I lost a friend of his recently named Sal.

He passed away and they had listened to the shows together and he wrote us a nice email to let us know about that and we wanted to send our sympathy to him. I didn't want to. But I've never, that's a name I've never seen. It's very unusual. Very sorry for your loss. I wonder where he's from. didn't mention that. I wonder if he's, what nationality? Is that a French name or a

Scottish, Brazilian? Something like that. And his friend was Sal, not like, you know, some exotic name, like. Well, that could be short for Sal leololio. Oh, that, of course. You never know what it did. All right, well, let's get back to the English speaking people. Uh, because we've got an update on our friend across the pond, the former prince, now the I think he's

the Duke of dog shit at this point. Nobody wants him around. But Andrew, the, one of the stories on him had Brian, I forget how it was phrased, but part of his rent he was paying on this expansive cottage was

a fucking pepper corn. You can get rid of the penny, but don't touch my peppercorns. Don't touch the peppercorns. Well, we've got Gareth in London. Send us an email to try to make some sense of what we were hearing here. And he says, hi, Jim and Brian is a fully paid up loyal subject of the British crown and more importantly a homeowner here in Britain. Let me give you a bit of insight into the UK property market and the reason why Andrew

has apparently been paying for his rent in peppercorns. Here in England property can be owned two ways, freehold and leasehold. Basically, freehold means owning the land and building outright. That would be like you're in your house or whatever, and there you are. That's freehold. And freeload is refusing to leave for a more cottage.

All right now. Come on. So this is going to be complicated enough as it is. Don't fucking, I can't take it today. I won't be able to keep track of this. Freehold, you own the land, you own the building. You're pretty good. Leasehold means owning the buildings only,

not the land itself for a limited amount of time, typically 99 years. 99? Wow. but what earthly goddamn sense does that because if leasehold if if you own the land in the building then you can rent the building out so but how do you own but for a limited time of a little less than a hundred years the building on the guy's land what if the guy said you know what i'd like take my land and shove it all up my ass i don't know what to fuck is it a god island or is it the kingdom's land? Well, no, this is property in England. This is

apparently for commoners and royal or royals alike. This is the way they do things. That's what I'm saying. If we're talking about, the only royal we're talking about here has this freehold rule so he can actually own the land and the house. Well, we ain't got there yet.

And everyone else has to, you could buy it, but only for 99 years, who's the actual owner? Because, no, no, you're fucking this whole thing up. It's not just the royal people. This is the way they do shit with property in England is what I'm trying to say to you. That's what I'm saying. Well, so if, let me go on here a second and we'll argue about the next line.

A leaseholder owns their property in all practical ways and is responsible for all ongoing maintenance and repairs, but they have to pay the freeholder a ground rent every year. year. So both these people are stupid because if you own a piece of land and a building that you then

leasehold the building to somebody where you can't do anything with your land because the guy's got the fucking building and why would a guy spend any appreciable amount of money improving a structure on which

it's on somebody else? is land. All right, here's your deed. I won't be around, but someone in my family will be around the 99 years to collect the keys and everything. It all said 99 years. Well, let's, I buy the house across

the street. Well, I'm going to rent it out to somebody for 99 years. What the fuck? They ain't going to be. I'm going to be here. So anyway, he's going on. The ground rent is usually very low, especially when the lease is long. and is essentially symbolic.

So that means that I've got a piece of property and I don't know whether the building was already there and I just leased the building, but I still own the property to this guy or maybe I just leased the, he built the house. I don't know what to fuck. You don't have points. You have options.

But I've got a now piece of property that a guy's built a house on and is living on I own the property, but all he gives me is symbolic rent of a peppercorn for the next hundred years. Why did I own that land to begin with? It doesn't sound like a smart real estate. What the fuck? And it said the term peppercorn is applied to these low rents, but no one is actually paying a peppercorn. Either the freeholder simply doesn't bother collecting or there's a nominal fee such as one pound.

So Andrew actually bought a 75-year lease on the Royal Lodge for reported 5.3 million pounds, which covered a 1 million pound purchase and 4.3 million for upgrades and repairs on the Royal Lodge. He later paid another 2.6 million to buy out future rental income. I've tried to work out exactly what this means, but to be honest, I got bored. So the fact that the ground rent is a peppercorn is a bit misleading and it doesn't mean he got his house for free. It also complicates the issue of moving him somewhere else because legally it's his house. Now, none of this means the fucker deserves a single solitary penny of UK taxpayers money or that he shouldn't be in jail for the fucked up shit he was into, but that's another story. Thank you, Gareth, for that.

But so he's got millions of pounds. that he can fucking trick up the Royal Lodge with, but he pays a peppercorn for the ground that it sits on. He bought his yacht with beanstalk seeds. You know, that's the other thing. You say he paid this amount for the land and this amount of repairs. I don't go to fuck how much he paid in repairs. That's on him.

But the point is, where did he get that money? He doesn't have a job. He's a royal. That is British taxpayer money, isn't it? Well, no, apparently, you know, the family, also they have all the money from the crown jewels and all the other shit that they've had that they've built this country out of for the last thousand years. They don't sell them.

But they don't sell it. It's not like Andrew needs a home. Let's sell some jewels. Okay. Okay. Stop. Right now. Google Royal Family Net Worth.

Because somebody was saying that these motherfuckers, because of the lineage and the privilege that they have gotten, have. Oh, wow. Literally. Well, I mean, again, it's a kingdom that goes back hundreds of years, you know, to a time where it really was a kingdom and they really did take everyone's everything. Yes, and now they have kept all that plus the interest while no official legitimate work is done. It's estimated to be worth, the royal family is estimated to be worth, around $28 billion. Jesus Christ!

And again, this guy gets away from every god day. gets away from. Well, he ain't, he ain't got away from it now, but gets away with all this bullshit. They said he was the favorite son of his old mother, Queen Elizabeth. It should have been Queen Victoria. She would have put her foot down with all that perverted stuff going on. So they've just lavished millions of dollars on his sack of shit, his entire life, multi-millions of dollars. Hey, here's a question I don't know the answer to, and you may not either. This may be a future segment.

We'll hear from Gareth or whoever sent this in. When did the kingdom or the queendom, whatever it is at the time, when did it go from actually ruling the country and being in charge of everything to being a mostly symbolic role that the taxpayers fund? Right? Well, when did the prime minister just take over? When did everything change so that, I mean, I don't know. Does King Charles have any official power?

No. he can't give a cripple crab a crutch officially as far as as far as dealing with America okay we're going to put a tariff on you or sending anybody to war or whatever the fuck no they can't do jack shit

please come on a tour see my family's jewelry that's basically Google that then fuck the royal family I don't know how you'd Google it rise of is it democracy in Britain since now

they vote for the politicians like we're supposed to? Well, hold on. I just also looked it up as a constitutional monarch. I guess that's the question. When did it become a constitutional monarch? King Charles III's powers are primarily symbolic and ceremonial. Shambolic, maybe. He reigns, but does not rule. The ability to make laws and govern the country reside with the UK Parliament and the elected government, but the king performs several key state functions and hold significant soft power.

Significant soft power. I wonder, is that why they make those blue pills when you have only significant soft power? What does that, what do you do with your significant soft power, Brian? Can you threaten people with being tickled to death in the Tower of London? Camilla, come here. I don't know how it works. the UK effectively became a constitutional monarchy in 1689

after the glorious revolution with the signing of the English Bill of Rights and the Scottish Claim of Right Act these acts formally limited the power of the monarch and established Parliament as the supreme legislative body Well wait a minute What about the revolution? I was about saying that was a hundred years later

We said we fuck the king Did we not get the memo that they had already fucked the king? In 1776, we're saying we don't want a monarch. We don't want the fucking king, no taxation without representation, all the shit we got today. And we didn't get the memo that they'd said to fuck the king in 1689. See, it really wasn't the king. It turns out it was the network of promoters that were like,

you will be booking our top star in your territory. It was the alliance. It was the alliance king. That's right. He was only the alliance. King is like until they were behind him. What the fuck is going on? So why were they still supposedly

fucking our forefathers, four score and how many years ago, that we had to revolutionize them when they had already revolutionized their royal family? Again, this may be not the thing to do. Is this just a bunch of stupid people having stupid problems that affect the world in horrible ways for centuries to come?

centuries to come, possibly likely. Or and go, yes. Yes. It never quits. So a point being, what was the point here? The point is the royal family are rich as fuck. Yes. The royal family are rich as fuck, but they have no legitimate power. It's just that King Charles gets soft every now and then.

And yet they're treated for some reason because they have inseminated members of their own family for countless generations that they deserve all this fucking posh treatment. I don't... You say they have no power, they have power, they have the power to sell newspapers, the power to make paparazzi lose their mind. Yeah, well, apparently they got the power to put $28 billion in the bank.

They're the biggest celebrities in British history. So, why are our friends, across the pond not up in arms about this and try to throw the whole bunch of them out the streets for heaven's sake you know it's it's it's getting awful deep in here brian i'll just say that i think we need a good quality pair of waterproof boots to wade through all of this poo-poo and caca oh you see what i've done there well especially in uh the british countryside or especially over in England with that weather. I'm sure you definitely want a good pair of boots, but let's focus on America.

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I was wondering whether you had just said no and just muted yourself. Like, no, we're not going to talk about this. No, I was, you know, waiting to see if you were going to jump in with any more thoughts, but I realized you were deep in thought there. It was a shit show, but it was one of those shit shows where I really couldn't look away. and it almost felt like every single thing on this show in its own way was terrible now something's more...

They kept finding different ways. But some things are more terrible than others. It may have peaked earlier in terms of star power. But this was one of the biggest dynamites of the year. I have to assume it'll do one of their better ratings. You could probably question why this isn't a pay-per-view because... What do they got left to say?

I don't give a shit about their paper view in a few weeks. This was the paper view, but let's talk about... A few weeks, it's fucking 10 days from this episode's airing. Oh. 10 days they're going from two rings and a double cage with 20 different men and women in two different matches for an hour apiece on the free TV to two guys in a cage in one match in one ring on pay-per-view for 50. I don't, but here's the thing.

You, you, Mr. Last, you knew that I was more than likely going to skip watching an hour of indie girl garbage match and you called me up early the very next morning after this thing aired and I won't give the entire transcript of our conversation, but basically I think you'll agree the gist was you saying people are demanding to hear what I have to say about this thing because it was an all-time shit show of epic proportions and please watch it. Was that the summation of the... Those may have it some of the words I actually said too, yeah, I think so. And more than anything else on dynamite in a while, you know, we just did a review of

Dynamite last week, I think it was like 30 minutes, the shortest one ever. It's not a fun show to watch often, the same people doing the same things. so much you could say. This was classic AEW Dynamite here. And there's a lot to say. We heard more feedback about this than anything that's been on Dynamite in a while, so I thought

that merited you considering to watch this match for the listener. Well, and at the same time, a lot of people are going to say, well, well, that's good, isn't it? That what they're trying to do. I, are you a successful high wire walker, if you say you're going to walk between the two skyscrapers in downtown Chicago and you make worldwide news for falling off the fucking wire,

it worked for evil-con-able, but his fucking, you know, cycle rocket just said, fuck it, and he, you know, parachuted into the Snake River Canyon, that got worldwide publicity, but it wasn't exactly a proud achievement. And what they have done is they have just said, we are going to do as much as we can to appeal to the smallest number of people because it is an ever smaller number of people now.

And they're still 20% down with the new method of figuring ratings. So, you know, maybe if this show is up 20%, it'll be back to what a bad show used to do. point is 10 days in front of a paper view, but more importantly, Tony's going to fund this thing for 10 years or till whenever at such time that he's non-composed mentist by his father. And what can you do to another human being? But it's all just random. It's just chaos.

And the reason why that especially this got a lot of attention was because now instead of just the guy, well, I don't say now, they've done it before, but the highlight of the garbage indie wrestling that appeals to the smallest, diast, hardest part of this audience that tells them all they know what they're doing

and that they're the greatest thing ever, though that small group of people, the girls get to fucking be sickos too. while they resent the jokes that you make about the AEW fans being the people legitimately that have people chained up in her basement. We didn't make that up. The news did. We joke about that and they get mad and then the whole, but this is so great. And when ever you, and boy, by the way, the AEW fans with 27 different Twitter accounts,

all with Japanese anime and fucking some kind of outlaw wrestler in their gimmick. They hate it when you fucking say anything about this stuff, about the girls getting to do it too. Because I triggered a bot with a couple of the things I said where that they all somehow

people that don't follow me that I didn't tag AEW as the kids say or whatever. But they find it and come in because it's like 17 people. but it's all they do all day. That's the bubble that these people live in in AEW, the talent. The reason why that the girls match here, and I do use that term derisively,

because that's what they showed they are, their girl marks. And Tony will let them do whatever the fuck they want. because I saw that on the, on the, uh, statements on the internet. You boomer, the girls are equal.

They wanted to do this. They didn't have to be talked into it. Exactly. Because they're marks. They have cushy jobs where instead of having to protect themselves and their opponents so that they can work regularly or be elsewise, be out of a job, again, not getting paid. They're bankrupted by a billionaire boychild

with some kind of cognitive thing going on. And he'll pay him if they fucking, and they're young, and they say, oh, what if I'll break my leg or, oh, whatever the fuck, he'll pay me. And they don't, they think it'll be cool. We'll take cool pictures of us bleeding. And we'll get to use the Kendo stick wrapped in barbed wire. and they're marks.

They have the, not even the barest, superficial understanding of what not only the wrestling business is, but why blood should be used in it and how it should be done and by who and in what quantities becomes just ridiculous. And they don't care that it's potentially risky for either sponsors that may get a wild hair up their ass or the network one of these days,

we'll start watching the fucking show. And they'll go, what the fuck? This is on our air? Or somebody will have a goddamn connoisseon fit because it's just so gross and in such bad taste. But they don't care because the idea of women rolling around in broken glass, the barbed wire, the thumbtacks,

and the bleeding and all the other shit, it's not going to increase AEW's business. because it turns off more than it turns on, and the ones it turns on are already there. But they don't care that it's not going to increase business. It might have increased the viewers, 50,000 viewers, whatever the fuck, the numbers, you know, who knows these days. But what difference does that make because the money's guaranteed?

And they don't care whether they even, get hurt or not because they view it as a badge of honor. Oh, when I came off the top of the cage, through a fucking table, it was on fire with the goddamn barbed wire. Oh, look at the pictures of this nasty fucking break here and I was in the hospital, but Tony paid me. They're all children and their marks for themselves. And before we get into this,

12-way cluster fuck with any specificity that's the deal is that it's not about girls being equal because they can draw money they want to show that they can be as big a marks for themselves and as stupid as everybody else as the guys can

and no I don't believe they were forced to do it I believe they wanted to do it because they're marks for themselves and they don't get to business we get to do the cool shit. You know, we need to break, we get to break the furniture. It won't increase their checks. They're just having fun.

They're on a guarantee. They get the cool pictures. But it's bad indie wrestling. If there was a reason for some of, first of all, of everything didn't look so fucking phony. That's what struck a nerve with people on Twitter. I said, I wasn't as offended by the women

bleeding and rolling in broken glass. as I was, the fact that as a professional, so much of it looked so fucking fake. And they can't get over the fact that the reason that you and I hear, Brian, from, you know, 9 million of the 11 million people that used to watch wrestling on Monday nights, but don't watch it at all anymore, 75% of them their complaint is, well, everything just looks so fake and it sounds so silly and fake. so they do fake or shit but they hurt themselves in the process of doing it and none of these girls are talented enough at working with gimmicks obviously

that they can be trusted not to hurt somebody it's bad taste indie wrestling that stays in rec centers for a reason there's no athletic ability involved and that's why the junk wrestling garbage wrestlers of the business do it because that's the only way they can get over. But some of these girls have talent. Some of the guys have talent. Not as many, by the way, in the men's match. I wanted somebody to hit me in the head so I'd see some stars.

But they don't need the talent to do this because it's just a stunt show where the fans don't care. What happens as long as they see somebody bleed and somebody breaks? some furniture, miscellaneous interchangeable talent. We won't remember the exact thing tomorrow. Just break a lot of shit. So they're all just breaking a lot of shit. Blood can be important in wrestling. If the heel makes the baby face bleed, if it's in a match,

then the fans are nervous because the baby face is hurt. He's at a disadvantage. He may not be able to pull this out. or if it's in an angle, then he gives the baby face some reason to want to get even with the heel for injuring him, for hurting him in front of all his fans. When the baby face gets heat or gets juice on the heel, it's because he's getting even for something that was done to him.

He's showing the people they get what they paid to see. In the end, usually. If not the end of the program, at least the end of the program, at least the end of the fucking match. But now he got him, he finally got him. There's reasons for it. You don't do it in the first match in a cold match between two fucking dwebs.

You don't do it up and down in six matches out of six on the card or nobody gives a shit anymore. It's just ridiculous. There's the parameters and the rules of the road. And then it's a useful tool. If you use it too much, then people don't give a shit,

and then you've just fucked yourself. If you never do it, then people are, I remember back in the day, they used to beat the shit out of each other. It's got to be a balance. But these idiots just do it because they think it makes them cool. I'll say a few things. You're still there. Yeah. I'll jump in with a few things.

And I think what you just said is a part of the issue. And specifically with the war games here, there were a lot of weapons and a lot of different gimmick. introduced, we'll get to the bed of nails, we'll get to all these different things. It's not like they were necessary. You know, it wasn't about the fans like, I need more than war games. No, this was, they had these ideas.

They wanted to do them. I don't remember what match it was. It may have been like Anna Jay and Ty Mello versus Penelope and someone. I don't even remember for sure. But there was like a no DQ women's match on a collision or something. And it was like a bloodbath

and it was just a complete crazy match like the men have. A little sloppier, but the same kind of match. Yeah. And the quote that came out afterwards was like, we really wanted to do it.

So we asked Tony and he said, sure. And again, you hit on, I think one of the big issues, a lot of this stuff that's done is done for them because it's not that you need a Vince McMahon, but you need more than a Tony

in terms of having an overall idea. of the big picture and what needs to be and what doesn't need to be a part of that. Now with all that said, my last comment will be, I enjoyed the women's match a whole lot more than the men's match. And part of that was the shit show spectacle of it. Because I've never, obviously I've never seen you, never seen, no one's ever seen a women's match like this. Well, no.

And also, because all the stars, what there were of them, were in the women's match, at least bigger than in the men's, and they did more goofy shit. Because what else was there left to do? Which is the stupid thing about seeing a war games or a blood and guts or these elimination chamber

or these giant gimmick matches, two of them on the same show, one right after another, one with the girls usually on first to make it look like, well, what the fuck? If that 120-pound girl can survive this incredible,

structure, then what about Brock Lester? It's insane to begin with. And that's one thing with Elimination Chamber or Royal Rumble. Elimination Chamber is a little heavier than Royal Rumble, but that's one thing. When it's the War Games match and the women are up first and they introduce every conceivable weapon into it and they escape during it, like everything that's going to happen,

they did first. I think it took a lot of way in terms of the crowd reaction from the men's war games match. Well, yeah, because they're sitting there going, Jesus Christ, a bunch of jobs. job guys and they're doing the same shit. We are all right, let's take it one at a time because that's the problem also is that now I think I've made this simile before in that the AEW male fans now are the 14 year old teenage girls that used to write me death threats because of what

I did to Ricky and Robert. In the day you had women in the crowd hanging from the rafters, flinging themselves at the Rock and Roll Express and the fabulous ones and the Von Erick's. And now all the guys in the business are so small or so geeky, so unintimidating, so lacking in personality.

Women don't give a shit about them, but it's the 30-something-year-old guys that are desperate that are like, Jesus Christ, anybody, oh, look at those pretty girls. And they're so but

they still act like, how dare you say that about blue sky? They act like the 14 year old girls. So this was the, pretty much the main event of this thing to that audience. So let's see, where did we start? And by the way, the rules of this are two people start for five minutes, right like it always and then every few minutes another person will come out there was no time there was no clock there was no rhyme or reason they didn't want to send anybody to commercial break they just said we won't promise them anything we'll just send them out when the spot comes up so i really do think this kind of thing does damage to the whole business because for all the reasons when people see this

and this is wrestling they don't want to see any kind of wrestling unless it's this you know the well the average person that's not a faithful member of this audience wouldn't stumble past this thing anyway so it was willow and sky blue and the kendo sticks and the garbage can lid

and blue starts bleeding buckets what two minutes in and she's in this whole thing which is going to go an hour and she's already tweeted all the pictures and everything and she made sure to get in front of the camera a bunch and smiles so you knew

she was happy about she was bleeding to death Jesus Christ and Julia Hart came in next and she and sky blue did we ever find out Brian did I zone out and miss it they went to the turn buckle pads.

Yeah, we never found out. They both go to the corner and they reach in the top buckle, a middle buckle, a bottom buckle, back in a top buckle. They're trying to find whatever's hit. And then they realize they've just stopped the match. And they go over and start beating on Willow. And it never happens. And then they double-teamed Willow.

Did you see on the charges in the corner they were giving her when they ran into each other? This is just sky blue went in there, boom, and she had, and she turned around, didn't get out of the way in time. Here came Julia, and bam, hit her own partner. And it just, so Harley Cameron came in then with a chair and tatered blue with it. And at this point, we were starting to get a picture of a bunch of women dressed like strippers using weapons,

botching moves, and bleeding and getting lost. And then they went to the break. So when they came back, it had been like five minutes since they might come in, and then they sent Thakla. And it looked like drunk square dancing. I don't know how to explain. It wasn't like anybody was trying to have any semblance of it. They were trying to do what they've seen on tape the guys do in the war games or whatever.

And then about a minute and a half after Thetla came, in after five minutes. Jamie Hader came in. And I don't think it was even supposed to happen where she had a bag of thumb tax, but the bag immediately just exploded and the thumb tax went everywhere. Yeah, I wasn't sure either. I mean, I don't know, but that happened pretty quick. So she just grabbed a Kendo stick and beat on some people.

And then here came Megan Brain. and every week, Brian, more and more I realize why she is not. Remember what we used to ask, how did the WW miss out on her? Boy, so she went to double clothesline Harley and Willow. And Willow took the clothesline, but Harley tried to duck it, but she got hit in the face anyway, but she didn't sell it. she stood up and kept running. And when she came off the other side,

Megan slammed her. So I'm not sure which one fucked up, whether it was the one took it or the one to duct it. And Harley can't, in some cases, it looks like she's confused when somebody shoots her off and she tries to figure out how to just run straight ahead. Can you get lost trying to run straight ahead, Brian? Well, there's a lot going on.

It's a action-pack-age match. It's not like you can stop on the corner for the light and fucking wait for it to change while you think about... All righty. So then Penelope Pitstop is at ringside, even though she couldn't be in a match because she is in a arm sling. Or a sling in her arm, whatever.

She's apparently... She's fucked up. Yeah, we saw that. It's when she did a moonsault onto a... group of women on the floor and just landed arm first on the floor. Oh, that's right. Well, that'll do it. But she handed Megan Brain a chair.

And then this is why I call her Megan Brain, folks. She flung it full force. Jamie Hater was sitting in the corner, like on her ass and leaned in the turnbuckles. And they put a garbage can lid over, sit on. her lap and it's over her face, right? So apparently somebody thought a spot would be, well, we'll hit the can lid

with the chair. She flung it. Did you see this, Brian, full force into the can lid with haters' face behind him for no reason. Didn't even hit it through it and let go of it.

And boom, and we didn't see Hayter do anything for Godda, what was it, the next 15 minutes? and I've heard apparently they're reporting it's some of her teeth or fucked up or something. Oh no way.

I didn't see that. Oh no. You know, it wasn't like she wasn't bleeding but you don't necessarily, I don't know what they did to her. She laid there for quite a while in the other ring. Like I'll be over here now. But that's one of that should be a fine.

anybody that did that in the WWE would be fined, I would think, for unprofessional conduct, because there's just, there's no way. You can't. And also stupidity. And if that happened in regular companies, nobody'd work with this fucking bitch. So I don't know what the fucks.

Anyway, so then Statlander came in with a pool, you. And she used it once and dropped it and started doing wrestling moves. Well, no, it broke, though. When she used it, the top broke off right away. You still got a goddamn stick in your hand. Well, haven't you seen?

It's very sharp now. Yeah, that's right. Well, also, have you not seen the goddamn all the pool hall fight movies where they break the pool stick in half and use the heavy part? You're just not thinking, Brian. Nevertheless,

for some reason at that point, Queen by Ayata showed up at ringside wearing a neck brace. She was supposed to be in a match, but these people are really hurt. So they've lost two out of this fucking roster before they even got the thing in the ring. And they're trying to kill the rest of them, but the girl in the neck brace chased the girl in the arm sling off. I'm not making this up. It's going to be funny when they can't get to the end of their, tag team tournament because multiple women are hurt because of everything they've done since they announce

the tournament. So then Willow and Stadlander, even though they're on a same, they're on a baby face team, but they've had issues with each other. So they do a face off. And there's some, and the announcers are trying to tell the story of, well, they've had a checkered past or whatever. They're trying to. Well, suddenly, oh, Blue comes from behind and shoves.

Statlander like she's going to shove her face first into Willow. But at the same time, Willow lurches forward, like when Statlander goes down or ducks or whatever, she's going to close line blue. But when blue pushed Statlinder, blue shoot tripped and fell and ducked the clothesline. And Willow looks like, where's the fuck she go? Oh, she's down there now. And I swear to God, she shoot, tripped and fell and fell and fucking duck the clothesline.

So they went back to the face off, and then the announcers started to tell the story again about, well, you know, they've had a checkered pass. And this time, Stalinger has turned to where the handheld in the ring is from the viewpoint that it's coming, because here

comes Megan Brain to do the same thing and shove them into each other, but just everybody fell down, including I think Blue sky who hadn't really got back up yet. And so meanwhile, we're 30

minutes into the fucking show, and they come back from another break, and here's Mercedes Moon. And they actually put a table at ringside with job guys holding all of her fucking belts, with her champagne bucket,

which actually looked like what you'd get goddamn mudbug. in at Joe's Crab Shack was the champagne ice bucket. But they got the champagne and they got the job guys and the belts. And she does her normal entrance. The stripper dance and drank champagne off the table while the match is going on. And she does get heat because she's an obnoxious douchebag. But I'm not sure that this is a proper heat when you just go,

that is a person that I just couldn't ever. her like. She's so convinced that her shit tastes like caviar. And I know that's a good heel attribute, but then she's going to get to ring and stick it up and never do a job. Although you can give her this.

She had as little to do with this thing as possible, this match I'm talking about. She did as little as she could possibly do. She stayed away from most of the broken glass of the thumb tacks. And by the finish of the thing, wasn't even in the cage. So she's got creative control, I guess.

But she just would go in and out of the cage and threw all of her belts in the ring so that all the girls' heels could awkwardly whip the other ones. And then Mina Melons came out with a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire. And she got in the ring and hit one of the girls with, I say hit, I can't use that word. She tapped at one of the girls the lightest bat shot ever

and then threw the bat to Megan who caught it and then she drop kicked Megan. Why the fuck need you? Why would you take a bat and throw it to your guy? It's this giant lurch-like fucking Amazon. It's going to kick the shit out of him. Oh, here, take this baseball rap barbed wire. from the bank addicted drug robber.

Take this fucking thing and I'll drop kick you or maybe I could have just taken the bat that I already had and just beat the fuck out of you. You giant bitch. What the, so then Mercedes picked up the bat and missed a swing and dropped the bat and they went back to wrestling spots

and trading fake forearms. There's a fucking, bat. There was just, there was a fucking bat there is what I'm saying to you. And then it, and then it just, let's drop down, hip toss. Marina Schaefer comes out through the crowd with the spooky lighting. And she pulls Stantlander out of the cage. Stantlander's bleeding. And they start fighting on the floor. It's a two ring double cage, but they've got to have the fight on the floor. And that's when they turned the bed of nails over from where it had been secreted against the barricade,

and she'd knock Statlander onto a bed of nails, which they got earlier that day. It's a bed of nails store. What the fuck? Did any of the crew say, hey, we got a bed of nails over here. Does anybody know what the... Oh, shit, call the police. what the fuck then tony storm comes out dressed as michael myers in halloween and brings in a giant pearl necklace and the champagne ice bucket and she uses the pearl necklace as brass knuckles on shafer and shaver just fuck it and doesn't sell it and takes over on her and

and they're 40 minutes into the show when we go to the break and they come back and Jamie Hayter actually the first time I've made note on seeing her she may have recovered from having her face smashed in for this giant witless Amazon she powerbombed sky blue onto a table it didn't break because of course

blue only weighs 100 pounds 75 pounds of that are in her glutey eye. And then Jamie Hayter gives her an elbow drop on a table. It no breakie. Table no breaky. And then everybody started doing all the moves that they knew. And it's, you can't really, there's no rhyme or reason when everybody's looking through the cage from that distance that you have to look through that fucking cage

and talk about people in the arena and or on television where you can't understand half of what's going on that there's 12 of these nitwits just doing everything to everybody you can't even keep track of who's in charge here they're just popping on if somebody's going to get fucking injured carried out on stretcher or break something and that's what Harley Cameron, the brass knuckles,

C-Oed Mercedes-Moon. Well, did you see how she had the brass knuckles? Oh, you know, inside a puppet. Yeah, Mercedes went for the puppet. Of Mercedes, yes. She tricked her with the puppet. It was a puppet trick. Then when Mercedes yanks the puppet off,

then she hits her with the brass knuckles. But I believe that that was Mercedes's Q. That was her reason to get the fuck out of there and stay out. Well, they Anyway, they Julia Hart and Thetla

then just crawl through the openings in the cage trim or trust or frame or whatever the fuck. And they just figured out they could do that. So they cruel through crawl through and knock the referee out on the floor and get the key to the door

and open the door and they throw several of the baby faces out on the floor. So then they have about six girls fighting out on the floor and Stadlander and Mercedes that they fell through the belt table. That took a moan out of the fucking thing. And that's when

Storm dumped the broken glass out and DDTed Marina Schaefer on it. But Schaefer turned around and broke a framed mirror over Tony Storm's heads. There's got glass flying everywhere. And then Mina Mellons put a figure four leglock on Megan Brain around the barbed wire baseball bat. This, by the way, all of this is taking a lot fucking longer than the way. describing it. Because this thing is going for nearly an hour. Then they held finally

Tony Storm. Several of the girls, I can't remember who, doesn't matter, held Tony Storm while Megan Brain whipped Mina Melons with one of the title belts and Tony was so worried about everything we established now, I guess they're lovers. They love each other.

The announcers were using the words, they're in love, a person you love. Are they appealing to the the basement crowd again with the lesbianism or what's happening here? I'm not exactly certain, but wasn't that also the gimmick that they had with Mariah May and Mina Shirakawa? Because Mariah May was like the understudy of Tony Storm,

but Mina and her had this relationship from stardom, and it created like a schism in the timeless Tony Storm, Moriah May really? A schism? A schism. You're talking about like a small crack or chunk in the... I don't know where you're leading us, but yes, that is indeed the definition. I can't use the other word on YouTube.

No. It can only be a crack in the armor. But nevertheless, so Tony Storm gives up to Save Mina Melons from being whooped on by Megan Brain with the title belt. And again, I'm sure they all had just a fun time doing it. But this is the kind of thing, like I said, that turns people off to all wrestling. And it's just unnecessary. It's spent to go almost an hour.

I don't know which was worse. the fakeness of it and the contrivedness of it or the stupid use of the childish weapons or the multiple women bleeding everywhere or the idea that these are supposed to be professionals in a professional business but they're actually legitimately hurting each other taking bumps in a bunch of sharp shit

for no reason except their marks for garbage wrestling. And the younger people have to blame Tony for rewarding goofs like Moxley at his fucking viewpoint with teaching this to the newer generation. In terms of positives, do you see anything with Sky Blue?

The fact that she was in there the longest, she bled the most, maybe the most I've ever seen a woman bleed in America. and she obviously What about those trips to Thailand to use? What are you talking about in America? Well, I think Chigas and Agaiiomah bled more. I'm not sure exactly.

Oh, good Lord. What is that? Against Dump Matsumoto. You know, most of the guys in the business that I've known when they got juice to where people said, geez, I've never seen somebody bleed so much, they didn't mean to do it.

Go ahead. But that was my only point. The fact that obviously she has very limited coaching because it's AW and she kind of is a singer-songwriter. Do I see anything and I see something in blue sky because she's sky blue. Now I don't know which is which. She's an attractive girl.

She's obviously in shape. She has a good look and she's obviously dedicated. So yes, that right there, but I don't see anything from this because what talent did it take to go out there and wander around? in the middle of that mess with 11 other girls for nearly an hour, you can fucking just lay and sell in a corner when it's not your turn.

It's not like you're having a 50-minute wrestling match. And no, I don't attribute anything to her talent for being able to bleed profusely when she cuts herself. Again, whether she meant to do it that, bad or not or whatever the case, or to get that much sauce, as they used to say,

in the middle of this ridiculousness that is like one of these goddamn garbage championship wrestling shows with a giant budget, as I said on Twitter, because the billionaire boy child has a cognitive defect, and here's what we

get. If it meant anything for business, that'd be wonderful. but since it didn't everybody's talking about her but it doesn't it didn't make her another goddamn penny

because she's on a guarantee and they're on a guarantee and everybody's on a guarantee they're just trying to kill each other to appeal to a weird smaller section of the fandom these days they ought to have a women

locked in a basement match on pay-per-view or at least make these people will pay something to see it. Instead of escape the cage, escape the AEW fan. Yes, if they get out of the basement, they win. Out of the basement? Or out of the house? Well, if you get out of the basement,

pretty much you're going to be able to get out of the house. There's no guarantee there. I don't think it's a victory until you get out of the house. All right. Okay, from the basement to the front yard. When they plant foot in the front yard, they won the thing. But the problem is you can only have one AEW fan

buy a ticket and you got to have at least four to six girls in the basement or it wouldn't be exciting then you take the six girls and you drop them off at a bus station in the middle of Iowa maybe Montana in a middle of the night and they have no identification on them and then a panel van pulls up and then six months later you call the guy that bought the ticket you say okay are you ready to shoot this pay-per-view now well again spitballing. It's just workshoping some ideas here, but if you are one of the A.W. Sicko fans, obviously

mind your own business, keep to yourself, leave these women alone, but that was the women's blood and gush. Blood and guts match. Blood and gush. Boy, I'll tell you. You know, but Brian, we said it and

blood. We said it and I think it's never been more true that their marks for themselves and they wanted to get the cool pictures, right? They wanted to get the cool pictures themselves. They could share on social media. They could send each other's phones and they can, you know, they can think about this moment back when they were covered in blood and rolling around

in broken glass. I think that they ought to contact our friends, our brand new friends over at Aura frames, don't you? Because that way they could set one of the one of the, of these aura frames, we're going to tell you what these are, folks. They could set these aura frames on their nightstand or on their piece of furniture there, the, the, the, the humidor or the whatever the fuck. And they could look at themselves gushing blood on national television just over and over

again from all kinds of angles. What do you think, Brian? Again, maybe not the most appropriate of photos to display, but I have to say this is Orr Frames, that is, this is one of those things that when it arrives in the house, you become a superstar to your wife. Suzanne fell in love with this quickly. We have a couple here in the house,

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and they're all connected to each other, and they're just sending pictures back and forth like crazy. And that's exactly what you can do. You can preload pictures and then send it to somebody, or you can send it to somebody, and then upload or download. Which term is it, Brian? Pictures.

You can connect it to the Wi-Fi. You will be uploading them through the Wi-Fi. You can send from your phone. You can send pictures. I'll tell you what. I actually, I went down to the pay phone on the corner and figured out a way to send some pictures to a guy down the street, and he got pissed about it.

It was pictures of my ass. But nevertheless, and it comes. from the pay phone? It took me a while to figure it out, but I did. And also each one of these frames comes. Now this is very important. Of course. I'm about to talk to you people about very important information.

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Well, again, it's the thought that counts and also a picture of worth of thousand words. The fuck what you're thinking. I want some goddamn valuable merchandise. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. Ladies and gentlemen, we have lots of expressions we can use. No, don't put these things in the kitchen because right then and they'll get greasy when you're frying. You can put it in the kid. Let's not scare people and alarm them. You can put this in the kitchen. No, you don't want to fuck it up. You're always frying the fritter. and the fucking various things.

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but you can check it out today. Jim, what's that promo code? J-C-E. Well, you know, Brian, there's some people that don't necessarily have an aura to them, and they had to get them on the show. But did you hear now Uncle Dave is apparently as stooged. They taped the segment last week where they were in the back parking lot and a bunch of Don Fallis's heels jump or have jumped already. Dino Dush and Jungle Jackoff and it went on and

on because they kept trying to do comedy spots to show that Dino wasn't selling anything, but then they'd have to beat him back down. And then the whole thing was a setup so that Don and the Kukum among the kids can walk out of the trailer and Don can show them what happens if they're not a part of the Don Phallis family. And then they, I guess the goddamn people that got beat up are just laying there because then they have the lingering shot of Maddie and Nikki's faces while they're like, what should we do? Certainly this is setting up apparently for them to switch baby face in some fashion. Is that going to work now?

See, both options are bad. It would seem obvious they're setting up them becoming baby faces, because how else would the young bucks do it than a multi-month drawn-out dramatic? Why are these adults behaving like this or making these expressions kind of angle? On the other hand, if they actually swerve everyone and turn heel and join the Calus family, that sucks too. Then there's 16 of them in a minute. What?

There's 16 titles in there. I mean, what the fuck? They don't care. All righty. Well, let's go to the next match because it's of great importance. Of course, we're coming up on a big paper view where the world champion will defend his title against Samoa Joe, so we're going to have the world champion against Samoa Joe's Hinchman Powerhouse Hobbs in a Falls Count Anywhere match.

everything on the show is a gimmick, but instead of just having, they can just have a match and we can sell the paper view, it's Falls Count anywhere. And again, when you look at these two and you see it visually in a sane world, Hobbs would be the star,

and Paige would be the guy, local guy with a book to put him over. But instead, you know, so, by the first break they were up in the stands the trash cans the table up into the bleachers it's the same shit that everybody does

and they don't have room to do a lot and you know it's it is what it is and finally they were fighting on the the top of the there's a breeze way to go out to the

concourse or whatever and then the seats are on 10 they're fighting on the ledge above that, right? And then they've got a special effects spot planned, but did you hear Chivani blow the fucking thing anyway? He was driving me crazy all night. What did he say specifically here? He blew it because Hobbs is on the edge and Page is

lean back, but he's about 10 feet away, and he's pulling his boot off. And Chavani already says, Paige gets a running start. He hadn't started yet. And then when he gets the boot and he takes a step, Chavani repeats it. So it's obviously the line, oh, the way we're going to finish this is Paige going to get a running start and hit him with the boot. So he called it before he ran. and then he called it again. Then Paige hits Hobbs,

but Paige is trying to go down those steps, and it's dark up there, and he's trying to figure out how to not to really knock this guy off and kill him. So the running start turned it out to be a little stutter step, and boom, he hits him with a boot. And Hobbs then turns and looks over his shoulder, because these guys aren't stunt men.

It's fucking stupid. And stunt men don't do it live in one take. where it's supposed to look real in front of the fucking people going to the movie. But Hobbs looks over and he falls off and covers up. And right before he hits the table that he's going to fall on, the special effects sparklers blow off. And then he lands on the table and then a case comes down on top of him and it's the electrical table and he's been electrocuted.

We've actually had an electrocution. but if you go back and you because I thought I said wait a minute if you go back and you frame by frame it right before he hits the table they blew the thing off that was buried back where it

wouldn't like blow up underneath him and set him on fire they saved that for the next match but nevertheless and then Paige goes down and covers him and the referee cuts one two three after he's been electrocuted the fuck comments before we go to the afterbirth.

Who knows if the good boots would have helped with the electrocution. It seems like an interesting choice of a kind of match to have on a show with two gigantic gimmick matches that both went over 45 minutes. Like this was the buffer. This is one of those little things that's probably always been there, but this was the night it drove me crazy. Adam Page's necklace. like it's just so big and obvious

why doesn't the heel just take him by the fucking necklace? Like it's just, it's so gigantic on him when you're watching this. Other than that, I didn't notice the pyro going off early. Again, you went frame by frame. I didn't notice it when I watched it. I went back and watched it a second time.

It's like a half a second, but it was a rib because it was like it came from underneath the deal, you know, not... Whatever. So then... Then we're not done yet, folks. After he covers him one, two, three.

Then here comes Shapoopee, and he gets in a fight with Page. And then here comes Samoa Joe, and he gets in a fight with Page. And then they throw him in the ring, and they've got him cornered, and the cage is being lowered. Ow! By who?

Samoa Joe and Shapoopee and Hobbs. Well, Hobbs has been electrocuted. So he's goddamn not, who's doing this on his behalf? And they're trying to, the cage is moving like a fucking 90-year-old man in a soup line. And they're trying, oh, my God, he's going to be trapped. And then outruns Kingston and Hook, and they roll in and chase the heels off. and then the cage lowers and now he's trapped in the cage but with his friends.

So he narrowly by like 45 seconds avoided disaster because who was lowering the cage? Holy Anderson apparently got the controls to help the four horsemen. Of course, that was capital combat. I don't know. I was wondering the same thing. Why is the cage being lowered here?

That was never explained. The announcers really didn't seem overall. worried about like who's doing that or why is it happening. Just that it was happening. Yes. Oh, the cage is coming down. They'd better get out of the way. Well, what does this happen intermittently? Is it like something we should be on the lookout for?

Because we didn't even know about the, at least I didn't realize it was going to be a promo segment next. So I'm thinking, okay, they're lowering it for war games, even though these guys are in the ring. But that wasn't even it. The cage went back up. Yeah. When they were done with it.

So anyway, at that point, Paige gets on a microphone and says, if Joe, if you wanted me in a cage, all you had to do was ask. Because apparently he makes his own matches. So at full gear, it's a cage match. Ten days away, they've just made a cage match for their world title match,

one guy against one guy in one ring. When on free television, we're seeing, as I mentioned earlier, 20 people in two rings and two cages and two different fucking matches and all of them are goddamn bleeding like they've been run through a razor blade factor. So why do I want to pay $50

to see this thing here, Brian? Why did Joe act worried? How does that make sense? Samoa Joe, the one thing he's going to be afraid of is a steel cage match with Adam Page? We just saw that. They can go up and down willy-nilly. Yes.

Yeah, this seemed like a bit mud. They're trying to manufacture like a feud while the feud is happening. And it doesn't necessarily mean that it's done well. But yeah. Well, but at least the- And I hope Powerhouse Hobbs is alive. Well, we'll get an update on him from the Duke Energy soon. So then...

And you brought up the commentators earlier, Chavani all night. Whatever you want to say about Excalibur who's awful. Or Danielson who just yells, even when everyone else isn't yelling, and it seems like he's just trying to come up with things to say, like a John Smoltz for wrestling. But Chavani at this point is just doing commentary

of what the other commentators are saying. That's a good call. I don't need the commentator to tell me that the other commentator is making a good call. That's a good point. He's like, why do we need that? What is the point of that? He doesn't add anything to the commentary.

He just says... You certainly got a point there, Dave. He says things to reaffirm what everyone else says. It's awful. But that's my commentary note for the pay-per-view. Well, that... Butting-guns. Actually, that brings...

me to Tony Chavani in the ring. Introducing in kind of an awkward way, this whole thing was awkward, here comes Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. And Steamboat came out and he's gray-haired because he's in his

70s these days. He's not in the physical shape he was once in, but it's nice see Ricky at least still around because he didn't have the bad habits. But there were supposed to be, Brian, I guess we should bring this up, there was supposed to be two guests in Greensboro, North Carolina at the Coliseum

for this night of AEW episode of AEW, whatever, Ricky Steamboat, and Rick Flair. And Flair apparently was there earlier in the night, came out in front of the people to cut a little promo with Tony, which I guess there's, I haven't seen it, but people have referred to a clip being seen on the internet. And then he left. He was never on the TV. They even refer to him in this interview that they're about to do. But to the TV audience, except for him being referred to, they would have never known that he was fucking there. And I saw one report that he was in a lot of pain from a torn rotator cuff or some kind of shoulder injury from doing what how did he hurt himself but if he hurt himself bad then how can he not just come 30 minutes later and

stay 30 minutes later and be on television what the hell is going on here i was throwing kamikazas across the bar who he was all right till he had Egyptian showed up. The Egyptian! Tony Kahn is friends of the Egyptian, I have to leave. Woo! But that's, yeah, he came, he saw, and he left. So... Apparently he was in a sling, like, you know, you said he was in a lot of pain, so

he mustered up all the energy he had to do the promo with Tony off air. And for whatever reason, made sure he wasn't there for the on-air portion. Well, maybe he got an idea of what the on-air. portion was going to look like. It wouldn't be surprising to hear Rick Flair was driving around the arena on the phone with the office saying, I'll go in, you better make a deal. I'll be on TV. No, he'd never do something like that in 1998.

But nevertheless, so Tony's interview with Steamboat is awkward. Tony, it wasn't, it didn't pitch him the greatest question. and Ricky didn't seem like anybody had given him anything to really talk about. I wonder if they went over a thing where Flair would do a lot of talking and all of a sudden, Flair ain't there. But Steamboat put Flair over for helping him at the start.

He was about to do that. He'd mentioned Flair's name after this awkward back and forth with Tony and FTR's music played and they interrupt and come to the ring. and this is where it got confusing because as, as Dax and Cash and Stokely get in the ring, steamboat points out Dax is like,

oh, I know this gentleman, I know him, I worked with him a few years ago, like he's never heard of them since, like he doesn't know about the team or what they've been doing. But then later on in his same, promo they're going to show Stillframe on the screen of FTR was the partners

when Steamboat had his last match in the Carolinas there three or four years ago, whatever it was. And there's a picture of them with their arms, he knows them, he teamed with him in his last fucking match. And Stokely did a promo where

the material was not great. And Ricky reacted awkwardly. And that's where they showed the picture and I said, why did he only know Dax? And then Dax told the fans that Ricky helped trade him 13 years ago in NXT, but didn't teach him anything. None of this was making any sense if he didn't teach him anything.

And 13 years ago, why did they team up with him for his last match? So, Dax said that Steamboat had given him, the advice to save his money. And then he said, if Steamboat and Flair had taken that advice, they wouldn't have to be there tonight. And that's when the TV audience, are we going to see Flair? Because elsewise, he hadn't been mentioned except when Steamboat said Flair helped him years ago in his career.

Well, that was the thing. It seemed like they were building to Flair or someone coming out. And it didn't happen. But even if it had happened, you start thinking about it. Is Flair going to come in? in there and save Ricky Steamboat and beat up FDR? None of it made any sense.

So then Dax insulted steamboat they got nose to nose and Dax grabbed Steamboat's face and Steamboat shoved him and then nothing happened. They just stood there and kind of looked disgruntled with each other. And then

Dax told Steamboat to get out of the ring and Ricky started talking calmly. Hey, you know, at one time I would have done something about them. Discretion is the better part of valor. I'm going to be 73. So I'm going to be the smarter man. They're trying to get sympathy on him.

He's just meandering. They didn't. This was like it was all done on the fly and everybody was lost. And it didn't put Ricky in the light that it should have. They just left him out there fucking floating around and people who'd never seen him go, What the fuck this old guy? What?

Did you ever see that interview when Larry Merchant was interviewed? He was interviewing Floyd Mayweather Jr. And Mayweather Jr. He was given Larry Merchant shit for some of the comments he's made. Like, you don't know shit about boxing. You don't know shit. Larry Merchant goes, I wish I was 50 years younger. I'd knock you on your ass.

Well, we didn't get that. That's what this reminded me of. We didn't get that from Ricky. We got, well, I'll just, I'll be the smarter man. and leave. After a while, it was just, it was awkward. And then he goes to walk off and they grabbed him. And of course

they don't want to hurt Ricky Steamboat. But so, I think it was Cash was just, one of the other was just throwing punches at his head that were not remotely connecting. And then they go for a pile driver, but here comes Bro Dildo.

And now I'll tell you something. I know that nobody wanted to hurt Ricky Steamboat or make any mistakes, but when Bandito and Cash started swinging at each other, Brian, describe it for me. They won't believe me. They'll believe you. It was embarrassing. I couldn't figure out who was trying to protect who.

It was like not punches and not even a Jay Uso open-handed thing. It was kind of like the wrists were kind of limp as they were like, bandito looked especially awful. they were just waving their arms at each other and then Dax fed steamboat for some chops and the heels bailed out and I just I wrote awkward laid out badly not produced rotten material

what the fuck did Flair find out this is what they want to do and he was like you know my shoulder hurts I'll be at the bar I'm kind of thinking that might have been it because what was he going to do and take it from FTR and Stokely? Well, I don't know,

but they probably would have had Flair do most of the talking if it was him and steamboat in the ring or whatever. Maybe that's why Ricky had nothing to say. I don't know what they were thinking, but maybe they weren't thinking. But, you know, again, and they're in Greensboro, but they only had, they didn't

have 5,000 people. I saw the number. It was 4,800 or whatever. the fuck. It looked pretty good. It looked. It looked, but that's what I'm saying, you know, is they at least had some kind of turnout and they just, their legends just look like shit. Did you see Jericho recently made some comments? I guess it may have been on his podcast. I don't even know he still does a podcast, but he made him somewhere about how TNA's crowd recently looks so good, like they have the number two promotion in the country.

and how, you know, dynamites may not look as impressive as they used to? I did not see that, but it's interesting that he said that. Well, he's feather in his next nest. But anyhow, so are you ready, Brian, for the main event of the evening? In my eyes, we already saw it, but let's go to the men's blood and guts match. Well, again, and this... Say what you want about the girls match, but at least they put all their top girls in it.

This was like, you know, the parade of mid-card champions. They started out with Darby and Wheeler, and they're in a cage match. So naturally, they started on the floor. And after a couple minutes, they got in a cage and Darby had his skateboard with thumbtacks on it. and old Wheeler starts bleeding already.

But this time, I guess they were running late because it didn't take them five minutes. This time they shaved some of the five minutes off and pockets moped in and took his time with no enthusiasm doing his gimmick where he wanders in and he then crushes his sunglasses and stabs Wheeler in the face with him. Hey, can I ask you a question before you go forward? Please do. Conceptually, booking-wise, there are inherent problems with the baby faces having the advantage.

How do you do that and not have it turned into two baby faces just kicking the shit out of a heel for minutes at a time? Well, like they do here later on, when they hurt one of the baby faces so bad that he can't come out and that they announced that he's definitely not going to be medically cleared to compete in the thing, and then he comes out 10 minutes later and kicks everybody's ass, not showing any goddamn signs of weather. See, and I guess we should have mentioned that in the girls, the heels had the advantage, so this time the baby faces have the man advantage where they get the extra guy to come in first,

which, again, that's why the heels always won the question. coin flip because it hurts the match and it takes away comebacks and excitement. But the reason why that it wasn't a problem when the heels always won the coin flip is because you're only supposed to have one of these like every three or four years. Then it wouldn't have been as big a deal. And in two per night, they got to switch it around a little bit.

So, and that's another thing. at one, when Briscoe's music played, I don't want to get ahead of myself too much, but the baby faces had the advantage of the man, but the baby faces were already beating up the two heels to begin with before that they found out Briscoe wasn't coming out. So they couldn't even, you see where I'm going with this.

But to point is, the first four guys are Derby, Allen, Wheeler useless, Danny Garcia, and Pockets. Nobody in the ring weighed 185 pounds. Dib shit, pockets is dressed like he normally does, so it looks like a mechanic wandered in. The rest of them look like children, and then they're having a children's cage match. And then, as I said, when the briscoe music plays, there's no briscoe. So in the middle of the cage match,

they go to roving reporter Renee Moksly Good in the back with video where Kyle O'Reilly and Roddy Strong find Mark Briscoe down and selling from what we don't know. Who did it? Who did it? Oh, oh. And Roddy says, I'll go, I'll go. So Roddy's taking this turn. So Roderick Strong runs out to the ring while in the ring, everybody's standing and watching the goddamn screen.

They don't want to do anything to distract the people from knowing what to so everything in the ring comes to a halt. Then Roddy makes a comeback and then he turns around and leaves the cage and gets the chair and comes back in. Now they've got the rules where that until everybody's in the ring, they don't lock the door. except they make a big deal out of stealing the key afterward. So anyway, here comes Claudio.

And again, there's no stars. And Roddy, by this point, is bleeding slightly. He got what they used to term in the locker room when someone would get juice that was highly underwhelming. He got a pap smear. And then Kyle O'Reilly comes out. and by this point you can hear the people are sitting there, they're waiting for the blood,

they're waiting for the furniture, or they're waiting for somebody to get hurt. And in between, they don't really give a shit because they've already seen this shit, and these aren't even the fucking main event guys. I was surprised the lack of reaction Kyle O'Reilly got coming out. Not that they didn't react to him again later on in the match, but he comes off two weeks of the Moxley stuff,

which you could argue as being done to make him, at least a little bigger than he is now, now and he's actually done really well in it, but they didn't really react to him coming in. That's because it's been two or three weeks of the Moxley stuff as opposed to two or three years of the way that they've treated him like a fucking idiot. So it takes a while for people to get the memo. And then when he does shit right in front of him,

they react to it. But they're still not to the point where Kyle O'Reilly's going to come out. Oh my God, it's Kyle! Because most people are used to, ah, it's fucking Kyle. because of the way they've presented him. And speaking of a presentation, Dick the Boozer still has to do his entrance

where he wanders in from the parking lot with the spooky lighting. And again, everything in the ring, there's nothing happening. They're all waiting for him. And did you see him tripped trying to get over the rail? And the fans actually laughed at him. They're like, look at this stumble bum.

And he gets in the ring and his contribution is stabbing everybody in the head with a fork. And then he goes out and gets the barbed wire bat and the ice bucket with broken glass from the girls match that nobody bothered to remove from ringside. And the girls already did it. He's bringing the scraps from the girls match in. And as Moxley stabbed O'Reilly with the broken mirror, René, Mawkes. Moxley Good was given a voiceover update that Mark Briscoe was all fucked up and wasn't going to be in a match. While her husband's doing that, she's not only giving a voice update.

They have her image on the screen, on the bottom corner. Well, just to make sure, you know, this is real sports. So then Moxley dumped the broken glass all over the place and piled roved Darby Allen in the glass. and they had another break and then they came back from that and everybody bunched up in the middle of the ring all of a sudden and so Darby could climb out

to the top of the cage underneath and just let go and they could catch him and then everybody falls down. They were all looking up at him. If they had just backed up, there had been no problem. And then here came pack. No stars. And now they were all in the ring, though.

And they got the tables in the ring, leaned up in the corners, and they got broken glass, and they got thumbtacks. And here comes Mark Briscoe, who was fine. What was hurt on him? Did you see anything hurt? No. He came in with a chair and a toolbox and a set of bulk cutters and cut the lock off with the boat cutters.

threw the toolbox in and made a comeback. And then the baby faces had a logging chain and a wrench, and Briscoe got on the floor and beat up Useless and Garcia, and he put Garcia on the table and was going to climb the cage, but Garcia rolled off, so now Briscoe and Useless were on the top of the cage. And at this point, all it mattered was these two, Wandering around on top of the cage, everybody else just laying down there selling. And Briscoe hauls a chair up to the top with the fucking rope at O'Reilly hooked it on.

And it got stuck, but then nothing was happening. But then they fought with the chairs. And then they went to the break. And they came back from the break and nothing was happening in the ring. And they were still on top. And then Mark gave Wheeler a J-driller. on the top of the cage and started climbing down and everybody in the ring was like they were in quicksand.

And there was some more fighting on. And then here came Gabe Kidd, who I thought was Josh Alexander. And Gabe Kidd leveled Darby Allen and kidnapped him to the back of the arena. But now in the ring, Pockets, Garcia's got him in a sleeper, so to show that Garcia's sleeper ain't shit,

pockets puts his hands in his pockets. But then Dick the Boozer comes up with a staple gun and staples pockets his hands in his pockets. And Brian, guess what happened right then? That was 10.30, and my DVR froze because this week was a two and a half hour program and they still ran over. And I didn't think,

think to record the show after the goddamn extra 30 minutes. But I thought it was fitting that my DVR froze when dipshed had got his own hand stapled in his own pockets. But apparently afterwards they set Darby on fire by throwing him through two flaming tables and had to put him out with a fire extinguisher. And then after all of that, Moxley tapped out to Kyle O'Reilly's with some ridiculous facial expressions from Moxley, which I think in his head looked like,

oh, I really don't know what to do, I have to tap, but looked ridiculous. Do we know if Darby lost any skin in this emulation that he went through? Because they said he was on fire for just a second or two. I have not heard. What are your final thoughts about the men's blood and guts match? after the women had done it and done it better and this you know the band of mary mid carters and

it made even less sense it people just sat there they're like what the fuck there was two hours on this television show and for those people in the arena they didn't get the commercials to break it up of just watching these idiots meander around to make it up different goofy jackass style ways to semi hurt each other. And it's just meaningless. And they still don't get it. They can't get over his personalities. They can't get personal issues and animosity over because nobody believes it,

because not only the booking, but most of the performances are so preposterous and silly and wink, wink. And it's just a car crash. And people honestly don't care whether the good driver or the bad driver wins as long as they run into each other. So that's what they've got. And what are you going to do after this? And again, in the same program, you've electrocuted one motherfucker, set another motherfucker on fire. The people with goddamn neck braces and slings are chasing each other around the ring.

everybody's got a belt nobody knows who the top guys are supposed to be and who the bottom ones are because Tony doesn't and at the root of the thing Tony lets these guys and girls do whatever they want because he's going to pay them no matter what whether they're in the ring or in an iron lung and Tony's a mark for this shit too

because of as I mentioned whatever the cognitive issues are that he has this is the kind of thing he just loves, so it will continue to happen. They just got to find new people with more skin and bones to break and burn. Hey, Jim, real quick, before we move on, I have the star ratings here from the wrestling

Oh, good Lord. I'm sure you do. Dave Meltzer's star ratings for this big wrestling extravaganza known as Blood and Guts. The women's match, Sky Blue and Tecla and Julia Hart and Megan Bain and Marina Shafir defeated Jamie Hader and Willow Nightingale and Chris Statlander and Harley Cameron

and Tony Storm and Mina Shirakawa 46 minutes four seconds four and a half stars Boy oh boy Adam Page defeated powerhouse Hobbs in a no DQ Falls Count anywhere match 14 minutes

nine seconds, four and a half stars. And finally, Jim. Now, wait a minute. Now, regardless of what you thought about either match. If you like that kind of thing, it's kind of thing those people like, the fucking 45-minute long 12-girl gang bang blood orgy was a lot better than the boring-ass fucking fake champion against Hobbs for 15 minutes with half of it not even on television.

Yeah, that was not a four and a half star match. I don't know where, Dave. You get an extra star if he get electrocuted. And Jim, finally, the men's blood and guts match, Darby Allen and Orange Cassidy, and Roderick Strong and Kyle O'Reilly, and Mark Briscoe defeated John Moxley and Claudio Castignoli, and Willer Yuda, and Daniel Garcia,

and Pack. 54 minutes six seconds five star match oh come on oh come on maybe the greatest episode of wrestling television

of all time no he didn't say that no I'm saying that based on the star ratings here even if you don't care about all the sloppiness and the stupidity and the laziness that went on in that main event to go an hour and just the

boringness of it if again for the kind of people who like that kind of thing nobody I won't even deny the girls match was better than the guys that's faint praise for me but it was it was better and more exciting and they fucked up about equally because there's a bunch of guys girls on either side that can't work and the people were tired out of seeing that horse shit by the time the guy's got in the ring I have a little bit here from Dave I will end with this

The Blood and Gut Show was, as far as an in-ring crazy violent show, was one of the best shows of its type in television history. It's not my taste. What other show of its type has there ever been in television history? It's up there with Bonanza, and Mr. Peepers. It's not my taste. I wish war games were like the Dusty Roads War Games with super heat, no weapons, and people not escaping the cage.

I wish wrestlers didn't take the level of risks they do. The blood is the blood. They are going to be people who love it and others who hate it. I think too much is a negative and it's turned off TNA fans over the years just as it did many promotions historically when the blood got out of control.

He says all these things and he gives them all five stars. That said? What is his... That said, this show was called Blood and Guts. Oh, Lord. You were warned ahead of time. You were warned. Yeah, it's your own fault if you watched this shit.

We told you it was going to suck donkey balls, but you wouldn't listen. There were endless weapon shots. And the usual barbed wire, broken glass, staplers, chairs, tables, and such. The usual. If you watch Blood and Guts, and then complain about too much blood? The issue is that you were told what it would be and you had the choice to skip it.

It was a three-match television with that one. Brian, do you think anybody would have even been mad about all the blood if the other shit wasn't so stupid? If the shit looked good, if the shit didn't look phony, if the people, individuals involved were over, if the angles made sense, if they all didn't look like they were cooperating with each other

to be stupid. Any of those things. But it's just the blood. Yeah, we warned you about the blood, not the fucking childish stupidity. Well, it's a weird argument that I don't know if Dave's ever had for anyone in wrestling history before.

If you really break down what he's saying here, it was the craziest show in his eyes, maybe in television history, but he doesn't like it. He prefers something more, sensible as we do, actually. However, if you have any kind of problem

with this, you're the problem. Not AEW, not these wrestlers, not the people who came up with these spots. You, you're the problem. You had the choice to turn the channel. Why is Dave making their defense for them? Right? I mean, that's the kind of thing like Howard Stern would say, or Vince McMahon would say, you know, all people,

I think a lot of people, they have the choice. They can pick which channel they watch. Why is Dave making that argument for blood and guts after saying he prefers something else? Because that way he can justify, give it at five stars, because elsewise he'll hurt their feelings and they won't be friends with him anymore. Well, there's the star ratings for so his, he continues to just carry his balls around up in his watch pocket and won't speak the truth because the last semblance of a social circle or a readership that he has is, the kids that he's taught that these kids

are state of the art wrestlers and everybody that's known him for a long time thinks he's off his fucking nut. Yeah, it's because he doesn't hear Tony's defense. He helps him craft it. That's what it is. That may be the best booking done

is tween these two try to figure out a way to put a positive face on some of these fucking stories. But you know what? What I was ready for after this thing was over with, Brian, don't you? After I saw these two hour-long extravaganza cage matches, I was ready for a good night's sleep. And luckily, I was able to get one because when I lay my weary bones down,

frustrated over having to watch children play, well, then I'm laying down on a helix mattress. And your children can play on a helix mattress, too. if they want to play wrestler, these things are big and soft. Just let the kids just body slam and suplex each other on the shit. Just watch out for your bed frame. That might cave in,

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We love them. You will too. What do you say? You always say that we have them here in the house. Now I mentioned that you can put them out in the backyard. in case of fire so the kids can jump out to second story window. It just kind of put a row on the back of the house down, right, you know, right next to the to the eaves there.

But you always say you have them in your house like you've taken me up on that and you scoffed at me before. No. So unless it, I'm going to say I've got them. I'm letting the listeners know that we legitimately have them here. We use Helix sleep. We love Helix sleep and you will. Well, yes, I know you do.

But you can just say we have them here rather than we have them here in the house. Because until you put them out in a yard, you should take my advice. What happens if the house catches on fire and you're on the third or fourth floor? No, you've had great advice so far. Buy a mattress for your mistress and put your master's in the backyard. That's a great, great advice so far. No, I didn't mean put your mattress. Put other mattresses out in the backyard.

Just ring the whole area. And that way, no matter which window you jump out of, and that works whether you've got a mistress or there's a fire. You're going to be jumping out of a wall. Let the mistress jump out the window. You stay and get a good night's sleep. Well, wait a minute. What's her husband going to do when he comes in and finds you there and she's out in the backyard?

Also, you think she's cheating too. You don't just think she's some Jezebel dating a married man. Well, she's a mistress, ain't she? Yeah. Well, you can't trust him. So you could trust healing sleep. Let's get out of this on a positive note. You could trust healing sleep for a good.

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We've got to get up and get back on with the program, I guess. Hey, I got some news kind of following up on your conversation earlier about the penny, things that have been here forever going away. Did you hear that the farmer's almanac will cease to exist? This is the last year.

There'll be a farmer's almanac. How in the world besides woolly worms are we going to tell whether it's going to be a hard winner or not? Again, it may not be the most accurate periodical, but it's one that's been there forever. And that's what makes it feel weird when you hear that it's going away. They can't survive in the modern era, where magazines themselves have problems, let alone something like the farmer's almanac, but to a lot of people, it's a tradition.

But how did the farmers, in all seriousness, besides the weather report, how do the farmers know all the things now that they would know if they were getting the farmer's almanac, which is supposed to tell them all the things that they need to know? But does it really? I mean, I guess what I'm saying is I'm not trying to take away from the farmer's almanac. I think it's a fun publication. But it's not like there's farmers waiting like, oh, we don't know about next year's

crops until we get the farmer's almanac. Well, how do you know? Are you a farmer? No. Well, and you don't know Diddley Squat, do you, about what a farmer thinks? I think we ought to ask the farmers out there. Farmers? How many farmers are in the audience?

How many, we've never done that. specific survey. That's one demo we have not checked. We did surveys for various demographics and income levels and education levels, but are there, I'm opening this floor up to any farmers that are in the sound of my voice that would receive the farmer's almanac on a normal basis, but now they're not going to get it. What type of information are you going to be deprived of because there's no farmer's almanac? That's what I want to know. Emails to what, corny drive-thru at gmail.com?

Cornyrdrivethru at gmail.com. I'm trying to see, I read in the newspaper, but if I got to look for news about it, like the first headline, it's like Martha Stewart.com, Montgomery Advisor. Hold on. Yeah, after more than 200 years of sharing a unique blend of weather, wit, and wisdom, we've made the very difficult decision to write the final chapter. of this historical publication. That's the note in the new

2026 edition, which will be their last. I know you can get the weather other places. It's up in the air about the wit, but what about the wisdom? That's what I want to know about? What are they going to lose? The farming generation?

What wisdom? Are they losing now because of this? You know, all kidding aside, it just sucks when you hear about these things that have been there forever. like a publication that has a history, and it's just going to be gone. It happened a few years ago for me with Who's Who and Baseball.

Like it had been around since the beginning of baseball. And then one year it just didn't come out. And that was it. That was the end of the history of who's who and baseball. A lot of people collected those. It's like when a territory would go out of business and all the fans would be like, you know, you hear that though, like from fans,

like maybe like Georgia wrestling specifically just because that's national. We could use that as an example. The idea that even to this day, 605 or maybe even 6 o'clock getting ready for 605 on a Saturday, there's like a feeling. There's like almost like a feeling in your gut like I was supposed to do something right now. A bowel movement coming on. Something that's not there, yes. Thank you for ending it on a classy note.

Any final thoughts on the farmer's almanac? Yes, it's just another thing that we're losing that, you know, but sometimes it's worse when the publication doesn't go out of business, it just ruins itself. Have you seen a Rolling Stone lately? Yeah, that's true. That's true. Nothing's like it used to be.

That's why we're creating more stupid people. But you got to learn, Brian. You got to learn things. You got to read and learn, you know, learning and reading are our friends. And not reading and being stupid apparently would then be the enemy, right? logic. But I learned something the other day. Actually, I'd known it before, but I hadn't thought about it in a while, but it was brought up because when we were playing guest to program, you mentioned one of the guys on one of the cards in the 1930s or early 40s was Jim

Clintstock. And I had transposed, first of all, in my head, Jay Clenstock was a guy who worked in the Leroy-Mcgirk territory and that part of the country back in the 70s, Jim Clintstock was the guy that I mentioned that got murdered in a dentist office in Charlotte in the 1940s. And son of a gun, right after we mentioned him, maybe as a result of it, because a fellow named Alan Searcy on Twitter follows me. He is a, I guess, an author and a screenwriter and a storyteller, according to you. to his bio and various types of historian.

But he did a whole, a train. What is a thread on the Twitter? A train. Right? Yeah. Well, the whole train of thought thing. Where he gave the whole, he gave the whole Jim Clintstock story. Not only was he allegedly murdered

and actually probably wasn't murdered, but who knows, but he killed somebody also. He got the double. Would you like to hear about this for a second? When you say he killed someone, you mean the same time, at the same fight that cost him his life? No, no, a whole different goddamn deal. Oh, yeah.

This was like 10 years beforehand. Apparently, from what this thread from Alan Searcy says, in the 1930s, Jim Clintstock battled legends like Jim Landoz and Ed Strangler Lewis, by his peers he was considered to be one of the toughest professional wrestlers in the world. But after killing a man in Memphis, his life unraveled. And a decade later, he'd be found dying on the floor of a Charlotte dentist office. That's like a Johnny Cash song if I ever heard one.

And it burns, burns, burns. In October 1934, the 6'4 240-pound, quote, part Indian grappler was arrested in Memphis after a fight turned deadly. Furniture dealer Leo Kahn insulted Klinstock's wife during a dispute over a $39 stove bill. Klinstock beat Kahn badly. He died from head injuries two days later. Clinstock claimed self-defense.

The case made headlines, the powerful wrestler who'd battled trachoma, a blinding eye disease that nearly ended his career, stood accused of murder. promoters and wrestlers across the South raised money for his defense, insisting Jim was as gentle as a baby and less provoked. In 1935, Clintstock went on trial for Khan's death. The prosecution claimed he stomped Khan's face in. The defense said Khan insulted his wife and swung first. After six hours of deliberation,

the jury convicted him of voluntary mansions, He was sentenced to up to eight years. While being held at the Tennessee State Penitentiary, reporters sought him out. Convict number 26,447. He insisted he was coming back to the ring. Prison officials described him as an intramural wrestling star. The day he was checked in, inmates passed the word around.

We got a wrestler in today. Clint Stock was a model inmate. and paroled after serving just 17 months. At 38, he planned to wrestle again. He told me he was going back into the ring in Nashville for a while, said a clerk who helped process his release. For several years, he wrestled around the southeast, taking matches in Tennessee, the Carolinas, and Georgia.

His sight was still poor, but he was determined to reclaim his career. Then in January 1944, the comeback story came to a complete stop when Clintstock was found dying in a Charlotte dental clinic belonging to Dr. Henry C. Parker and Lee Sykes. Both men were charged with his murder after witnesses said a towel had been twisted around his neck. Police said Clintstock had been drinking heavily and got into a fight inside the lab. Mrs. Parker claimed he tried to grab her leading her husband and Sykes to step in. At some point, Sykes wrapped a towel around Clint Stock's throat to calm him.

Moments later, the wrestler stopped breathing. Parker and Sykes were charged with murder. In court, both men swore they never meant to hurt the wrestler and insisted Clintstock simply collapsed from a heart attack brought on by alcohol and exertion. the coroner found no evidence of strangulation, only signs of an enlarged heart as well as heart disease. With no clear proof of foul play, the judge ruled there wasn't enough to send the case to a jury

and dismiss the charges. Dr. Parker went on to become a respected dentist but overdosed on sleeping pills in 1961. Sykes ran the lab until his death in 1972. What a fucking story. Yeah. Wow. But I have an actual newspaper clippings of couple of them from when it first happened. Because in, in with the Mid-Atlantic films and the posters that I salvaged from Crockett's office that they threw out,

was a scrapbook from the old Wilmington, North Carolina promoter. They used to run shows out there at a place called Fallion Hall. and this was covered in that scrapbook because there's an article since he was a big Clint Stock was a big deal on the wrestling cards in Wilmington at that time and this happened somewhere there's a clipping January 25 1944 where it announces that the promoter is having to met Bert Causey is having to make changes in Friday night's show because of the death of Grappler Jim Clintstock, who was murdered Saturday night in Charlotte. And then on January 28th, there's an article where Parker and Sykes were indicted

for that murder. And then on January 31, the news came from Charlotte. This was dated January 30th, actually associated press, that they had the, the hero. and etc. The defense sought to show that the 240-pound wrestler died from natural causes and the heart attack and at the same time the prosecution was trying to prove that he was murdered.

But listen to the testimony from Clinstock's widow who apparently, hold on here, apparently was not the same wife who was insulted 10 years earlier when he killed a guy because they only got married in Florida in 1942. But she said

that Dr. Parker called her about 9.30 last night and told her we've had a hell of a fight and you'd better come over. Mrs. Clintstock said she left her hotel where she had been helping out in the coffee shop the two weeks that she and her husband

had been in Charlotte and went to the laboratory. Jim had his head on the floor. Mr. Sykes was holding a towel around his neck. I said, look at his tongue. It's hanging out. I asked him to remove the towel and he said, no, he'll jump up fighting. He's drunk.

I said, let him up. I'll be responsible for him. If you asked me, I think more than him is drunk. And Mrs. Sykes, the wife of the other dentist, she said that she came to the laboratory, or she said that Clintstock and Parker came to the laboratory where she was working late on the books, right? And Dr. Parker took a densher impression for the wrestler. In the outside office, she said, Clintstock grabbed Mrs. Stewart. By the head, the man seemed

crazy. I ran back and told Dr. Parker. Dr. Parker then came out to see what the trouble was. Clintstock pushed me around and knocked me over a waistbasket. He fell and hit his head on the corner of a desk. He bled pretty bad. Mr. Sykes came up and said, set Clintstock up and asked him not to act like that. Clintstock slid over on the floor. Someone called police in an ambulance, but they wouldn't take him because we didn't want to prefer charges. We put a towel to Clintstock's head and he revived.

Then he pulled the chair out from under Mrs. Parker and threw her on the floor. He started fighting everybody again, fell to his knees and seemed to pass out. he was fighting everybody mostly the women he acted like Frankenstein he hit me on the nose and made it bleed he told mrs parker he was going to pick her up and throw her out the window i'm sorry to laugh but in between this guy passing out and being choked out he's throwing people out to this again no wonder they took this to court and then uh clenstock she said was obviously under the influence of whiskey Dr. Parker went down to the street to call the police and get an ambulance. Mrs. Stewart corroborated details of her testimony. We were all standing in the room.

No one seemed mad at anybody. Nothing out of the way was said. Clintstock grabbed me by the head and I ran back to the other room. The man acted like he was crazy. I was keeping my husband in the other room. I didn't want him to get mixed up in it. I looked through the door and Clintstock was on top of Mrs. Sykes. I never saw anything like it before.

So so far everyone has a different story about what happened. Yeah, a lot of clear facts and details, but that's... But how did they end up again? The wife showed up while the guy literally had the towel around his neck choking the life out of him. Yeah, because they'd called the wife's, oh, you better come over here. We've had a heck of a fight. We don't want to press charges, so you better come over here and watch him die. Yeah. Come over here and get this fucking guy.

Geez. But nevertheless, obviously a clear-cut case of natural causes, nothing shady to report in any way. But that's our weekly history section on crime and wrestling. We used to do those on your various programs, the in the news segment. What in the world is happening this week

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mother ship, the mothership, wherever you find your favorite podcast. All right, well, speaking of mothers, we got one more thing to talk about.

The mother of all issues has come out of Uncle Dave's publication. His readership has spoken again. They voted people into the Hall of Fame. And Dave's

Hall of Fame at one point years ago, again, like the man himself, if you read the list of names in the Hall of Fame, you know, you could argue, oh, maybe this guy should have been for that guy, but generally the list of people was a list of wrestlers that you would think as a longstanding wrestling fan.

If you're going to have a Hall of Fame, these guys should be in the thing, right? It wasn't just preposterous. And then he became friends with people, and then as his longtime friends began shying away from reading what he had written for fear of wanting to do a wellness check on him or just given up and rolling their eyes and the younger generation came in he has shaped their view of who the great wrestlers are to the point where I don't know It was it last year or a year before, the Buccourous got in the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame. So it can happen to you, folks. It can happen to anybody.

But now we're at a situation where pretty much everybody that votes here, he's either shaped their opinion or they still agree with him enough to associate with him. So now things have over the last few years have kind of started getting a little screwy in terms of actual real money-drawn main event worldwide talent and the individual little niche products that emerge from his world. Brian, did I say that kind of well where people would understand what's going on? I think so. I voted for a few years. voting. This year I didn't get a ballot because I think Dave got the message. I wasn't going to vote

again. But one of my issues has been the voting body, and sometimes you could tell that by what group votes for who. And I look at it sometimes and I'm like, you can't tell me that person's a Hall of Famer. And if the same group votes someone who clearly should have been in, much lower than that, that doesn't change, that just means they don't know history. It doesn't mean that that person shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame, but there's a lot of questionable things. The idea that, you know, Morris Siegel's not in the Hall of Fame.

He's on the ballot. So you have to know who Morris Segal is. Promoter had died in 1967. Yet, like, the French promoter just got put in. I heard lots of big things about this promotion. Here's one of my friends that do a write-up. He's in the Hall of Fame now. Well, shit.

None of Morris Segal's contemporaries are around. and they just put in using him as an example. Well, Roy Welch is in the same boat. Yeah. Any American promoter from the Pioneer Days that was way more powerful in their wrestling world than almost anybody is today in the modern wrestling world, people don't remember them.

They were the promoters, they were behind the scenes, whatever. That's one story, one way to look at it. But there's also whether you want to talk about current wrestlers or past wrestlers, there are gigantic, major fucking names in the world of wrestling that because they don't appeal to Dave's viewership or readership or whatever that he's cultivated, they're way down the list whereas you know somebody that Dave has written about fondly

recently is almost in inclusion for you you get Seth Rollins and Pampero Furpo on the bottom of the very bottom of a list where Jose Torres

almost makes it because Dave is conveniently written a new articles about Jose Torres, who was a big draw in the 40s in somewhere. Where was it? I have not read, though. I'm not sure. I can't remember either.

And I was supposed to be a wrestler, but that's the point. It's ridiculous. Randy Orton is down in getting 30% in a wrestling hall of fame that the Buccarus made easily. you see where this is gone. Again, you can look at the killer Carl Cox may not be a wrestling hall of famer, but seriously, should he get his ass kicked by Mike Tene,

as much as I love Mike today? This is all over the... Wild Bull Curry is not in the Wrestling Hall of Fame. Yeah, and I'm one of the people responsible for Wild Bull Curry being put on a... ballot originally a few years ago because he was just never, he was never on the ballot previously and he wasn't in the first class that Dave anointed Hall of Famers. So he couldn't get in, but, like, Larry Matasick, I have nothing against him.

Like, I don't want to say anything bad about him. I don't want anything I say to be perceived as being bad about him. But he finished higher on this list than a ton of fucking people. Then Cowboy Bob Ellis. You know, and that's where it's like, You know, good guy, great guy, good at what he did. Hall of Famer? I don't know. And the people voting for him above other people in that category, that's where I question the voting body.

Well, because Dave has, and rightfully so, because he was telling the truth, Davis said Larry was the right-hand man, a book, announced, etc., which he did all those things. But Dave has mentioned it and brought it up numerous times, as well as saying that Mike Tenay was the smartest guy in the wrestling business, which, again, I'm not arguing at that particular time, I'm not saying for all years in the past 60 years of his life, but I'm not going to argue

that point, but does that make Mike Tenay, should he come in 20 spots above the Steiner brothers in a wrestling Hall of Fame? Should the Hardys get more votes than the Steiner's? Probably not. Probably not. But at least it should be kind of equivalent, different time periods, but... We've gone through a lot of the names, and I'm sure we'll discuss more of these.

We should probably say who did get in this year. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame, here are the votes needed to get in. For the United States and Canada, you need 274. votes. For U.S. and Canada historical, 243 votes. For Japan, 189 votes. For Mexico, 143 votes, and for the rest of the world, 127 votes. Jim, with the most, oh no, actually just the highest percentage. 170 votes, 78%. Spiros Arian is now a member of the rest of the rest of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame. And, and you know what?

And Dave gives a little rundown on how much money that Spiroserian drew with Bruno in the Northeast. And Spirisarian was a draw in Australia. And you could write down Wild Bull Curry's career, and he would have drawn as probably almost as many people. He never got the big run in the garden with Bruno or did. No, it was beforehand. But nevertheless. Well, again, though, Spiros Arian's not getting, you take it into the account that he was a star in the Northeast at a few different points. And then, of course, the big run with

Bruno. Yes. But he's voted in 170 votes. You need more than that to get in for America historical. That's the rest of the world. That's Australia. Well, yes, and that's the point is that when you've got a guy like Bull Curry who was a main event star for 40 years and who drew money in tons of places for tons longer and was more influential in the business as a whole, I'm not saying Spirassarian didn't do dog shit. I'm saying again, it's just it. And suddenly, Arian jumps from 46% last year to 78% this year.

this year because Dave said he was one of his favorites but that's the point I'm making is that there are 40 names on the list of people that didn't make it in because of this particular voting constituency that were every bit as big or bigger stars

but have not been presented in his faith a light in this particular publication. So therefore, everything is somewhat slanted. But Spirassarian, you know, great, great talent. But my God, as I'm looking down again besides Bob Ellis and the Steiner brothers and Edge and Goldberg and fucking hold on here. Well, Tony Chivani, I don't know if he should have got in over Chivani. but uh...

old broken edge both came in under james melby see that's part of the that's what i'm talking about well and kevin sullivan is underneath rossi ogawa and bob armstrong the mongolian stomper are underneath all of them but poor again poor seth rawlins the only person he beat was pampero furpo are we living in and randy orton down here languishing in obscurity

while again, well, talk about who made it because yeah, let's get back to it. Specifically, there's one name on this list that I'm sorry, it's only for this readership. We'll go through the list. Spiros Arion though, if you want to talk about something, it's like a holy grail for me, any of the local promos

when he turned heel that are not already out there, I would love because a genuine psychotic, you completely believe this guy's nuts and he could kill Bruno San Martino from the little bits I've seen and from what I've heard from fans from back then it's like nothing else but back to the list

with 179 votes which would be 75.2% from his region Grand Hamada and I guess the reason there's an explanation that Grand Hamada never made it was actually off the ballot a time or two because he was in the Japanese section

but he was really a bigger star in Mexico so he put him in the Mexican section and he won that. Grand Hamada was an insane worker. Was an incredible physical specimen. Yeah. Could do all kinds of shit in different styles. Could wrestle as well as do pro wrestling spots as well as do the crossbite. The first Japanese tape that I got where a guy climbed up on a top rope and dove off onto the floor on a guy.

which was like, what the fuck? It was Gran Hamada in 1979. Having said that, again, I believe that Uncle Dave has written fondly of his contributions to Lucille, and et cetera, but when you've got the names that we have mentioned that were not only major American stars in America was the center of the wrestling universe during these periods of time, but also went around the world. And Gran Hamada was, his best spot in Japan was as an underneath guy for Inoki.

Because he was also like what, five foot fucking five. And he wasn't the genre game changer like Tiger Mask was because he didn't have the cool gimmick with the costume and not in this. I don't know about his promos because I don't speak Japanese, but he was never featured as a guy that drew money in Japan and he fit in better in Mexico,

but still he's not really thought of in Mexico by the average person as a Lucillebra legend. He's just the best Japanese wrestler that ever got over in Mexico. So what the fuck's going on here is what I'm saying? You know, sometimes if you go back to an era and try to mine it looking for Hall of Famers, if you've already inducted a lot of people, I'm not even saying it's necessarily this, but in general, if you've inducted a lot of people from the era, and you're still looking for people from that era,

you may have all the clear-cut Hall of Famers in already. Then it becomes almost like a second tier. You see that in baseball with the Hall of Fame. you know, you wonder about a grand hamata. You know, you talk about guys from that era. Would he be in the top five from that era to go into the Hall of Fame? He hasn't been. So it's, you know, you wonder where it all of a sudden comes from.

Well, where did the next one come from? Dory Dixon. Out of Mexico. And I'm not saying that Doree Dixon was actually a star in this country. time in the early 60s, had a nice run, worked the Northeast, was in the guard, blah, blah, blah. But he was primarily based for most of his career in Mexico, and it's easier to get in Mexico because it takes less votes. But what you've got now is you've got Dory Dixon, who had, as I said, a nice run for a few years

in the States. and did, you know, big business in Mexico. But he's in before Randy Orton or Bob Ellis or the Steiner brothers or got the junkyard dog. Dogs drawback to Dave and his viewers or listeners or readers or voters or whatever. Well, he flamed out so quick. It was only a short period of time. dog was one of the biggest stars in the entire business at the same amount of time that Dory Dixon

was a star in America and dog was much more known and influential and you could say that about a half dozen other people on the goddamn list here or more he's trying to figure out a way to put these people on a ballot that they'll get in on rather than getting a minute you go ahead well I guess that's part of what I'm thinking too

with the Lucha ballot years ago when I was voting, it was packed. It was packed with big stars from the world of Lucha. And they pretty much all got in. So now there's still a Lucha ballot. And again, I'm not trying to take anything away from Grand Hamaata, great wrestler. In the early 90s he was still great. But, you know, if you've already put all the, you know, Babe Ruth's in already. Ty Cobb is in already.

Right? Who was the other second baseman around at that time? and tie cut. You know what I mean? You start looking for there's still a ballot. The ballot's not going away. Tony Charles was every bit as good in his own way in the ring as Grand Hamada was. Should Tony Charles be in the Hall of Fame? Probably not.

Well, again, that's Tony Charles and that's not Tony Charles. That's Grant Hamada and Dory Dixon who joined Spiros Ariah and we'll get to the other selections in a moment, but I understand Jim. You have a special message about a great deal for people running their own business? Well, you know what?

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Speaking of hurting, what other what other damage did Dave do to the wrestling business? Who else is in this thing? All right, well, let's go back to 2025 class of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame.

With 294 votes, the most votes anyone received. And 65.5% of the votes from his region, CM Punk is now a Hall of Famer. And this one had to just gall, Dave, because he couldn't, no matter what he did, he tried the poison pen letters

and the public slander and all the other stuff, and he tried to sway the people. And even his own crowd still voted Punk into the hall. of fame that actually doesn't exist. But still, did you see the, when, when Dave describes who got in and he starts talking about punk, he spends two sentences talking about punk's career between R.O.H and quitting the WWF and going into UFC. Two sentences.

And then a long paragraph. about all the problems he caused not wanting to work with Cold Cabana and AEW and how all that whole thing ultimately is his fault, even though other people acted badly as well. He can't get over it. He's still pitching the fucking story. And he even, this is a quote, he was easily the biggest short-term star in AEW,

although one could make the case that in the long run, he hurt the promotion. His arrival in first few months were the business peak, and he was the key reason for it as his return to wrestling after more than seven years led to AEW's popularity and pay-per-view peak. But the tenure otherwise was a failure. Based on an inability to work with cold cabana, and then he goes on for another two paragraphs on,

and he just couldn't treat Page right. He agreed not to say bad things. about the buckaroos and Kenny, so he turned his focus to Adam Page. After Page went into business for himself and brought a knife to a gunfight and couldn't out shoot promo, see him fucking punk with his mush mouth fucking oatmeal bullshit. Why? He can't leave this alone, Kenny. Even his own people voted the guy in and instead of just say, okay, he's one of the biggest

stars and needle movers of the modern era and how could you not vote him in the Hall of fame if he's up for it, he's still got to fucking try to pass this bullshit off so that the Hardley boys don't get pissed at him and don't invite him over to the trampoline. Is that as see-through as it looks to me? I mean, he wasn't just the biggest short-term star in AEW history. He was the biggest star in AEW history. Star, period. And it didn't have to be short-term.

It was because of the conditions that Tony created and allowed to fester and the fucking ridiculous games. and for everyone who said, let's see how angry punk gets in WWE, I don't think I've ever seen him as happy as he seems as he seems as it's not just because he's making lots of money. He's so happy, he's killed his gimmick. He's the smiling ice cream man, for fuck's sake.

And I don't think it's just because he's making lots of money. I think he's actually enjoying what he's doing. So it didn't have to go the way it went in AEW. But again, there were games, there were lots of games, and he didn't put up with it. But is this a sense? see-through as it looks to me to the average viewer that

he still, Dave still cannot leave this alone and he's still got to push that story even though it's bullshit to take up for his buddies. You know, in Dave's point of view, punk was in the wrong to when multiple people stormed in the dressing room

and one of them may have lunged at him that he did anything about it. Surprise he hasn't ripped Larry. in the observer yet. He don't have the balls. No, but again, biggest star in AEW history, it could have gone on longer,

they screwed it up, and you could argue that that screw up cost the company more than anything else because whether you thought punk was right or wrong is sent the message about the behavior behind the scenes and about the leadership or lack thereof in the company. That's what everyone noticed. And I don't think,

The Buccaroos have never recovered from that because the people blamed them and their childishness for the punk being gone, and that's what pretty much started the fact that nobody gives a shit, whether they burst into flame or fucking turn blue or not anymore. I mean, their own boringness and smarmingness have something to do with it,

but they all got, they sent Perry away to Never, Neverland, to make knives and license plates or whatever for a year. Because people were pissed at him and his little fucking scrawny neck. Anywho, but Punk made the Hall of Fame so he can retire happy now.

He's in a wrestling observer Hall of Fame. I wonder if he's throwing a party. Chicago Deep Dish Pizza. You know, I'll just say to be consistent, I'm not necessarily a fan of putting him in or the next person we're about to talk about or a few years ago. While they're still active?

Yeah. You know, I'm not saying he isn't. I'm not saying he doesn't have the credentials. I'm just saying he's still, maybe not in the middle of his career, but he's having a career resurgence, which I think has only added to his, if not the thing I put him over the top, it's added to his credibility as a Hall of Famer,

but he's still in the middle of his career. He's still doing it. And Dave's, and I can see this, I can actually see the logic in this. Dave's thing is nobody in wrestling ever retires, so we would never be able to vote anybody in the Hall of Fame if we didn't take active wrestlers. So I guess I can say,

and they do have to be active for some period of years, 20 years or whatever the fuck it is. I don't know. But again, this whole thing is flawed anyway because it is a cross-section of people that he chooses from his readership and social circle. and so even if you're going to have you need some type of consistency if you're going to have active wrestlers punk got in another guy we're going to talk about

here the second got in but orton's way down the list and we've already talked about grand hamada and dory dixon so there has to be some kind of consistency when you're talking about major stars that have had similar accomplishments and similar longevity but one guy doesn't work the style that Dave is a proponent of. Yeah.

Or it doesn't get along with the right people. And again, with punk, I'm not saying he's not a Hall of Famer. I just don't like the idea of putting people in while they're actively active, I guess the best way to put it for a wrestler. But it must also... When they're hyperactive. Real quick before we move on to the next person,

I'll bet you I know the next reclamation project. the next person who's going to have write-ups about their drawing ability and everything else. John Moxley's all the way down the list after Roy Welch. Is he, wait a minute, is he on this? He's after Roy Welch. Roy Welch did better than John Moxley amongst this. Well, as he should, but I didn't even see the fucking name. Where is?

After the Steiner's, after Jim Johnston. Oh, ha, ha, ha, well, see, Roy Welch and Mize is way too low, and Moxley's way too high. So, yeah, he's going to have to drum up some support for Dick the booze or elsewise, he's going to hear all kinds of bad things from Renee Moxley. Well, Jim, the next name they get into the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame for 2025. Again, another name with ties to AEW. Cody Rhodes, 289 votes, 64.4% of the votes from his region.

well and to be honest because Dave's readership and social circle that I mentioned is somewhere you know a high percentage are AEW fans or AEW oriented or whatever

and Cody was part of the ground floor of that so I bet that had more to do with this bunch than Cody being the biggest baby face star in the goddamn world right now and probably all the people mad if we had punk too and these son of bitches ruined it

but with Cody he's even more of an example of all of these things he is the biggest wrestling star in the world right now or one of them and the lead baby face of the biggest company and should

be in a wrestling hall of fame but he's actually not only active right now but not even like punk, didn't even take a long break, is in his first big run and is really in the middle of things. So there is some element of, yes, Cody's a Hall of Famer, but right now he's not even remotely done with his biggest run yet. But at the same time, he deserves it a lot better than some of the people on this list.

So if you're going to put active wrestlers in, he would have to be there. Again, AEW, his role in the start of AEW plays into it. I don't think he really had a Hall of Fame career, naturally a Stardust, or anything he had done in WWE up to that point. But coming back, looking at it now, you could argue that the peak of WWE's popularity, it felt like, and the peak of the bloodline storyline was all tied into. to the Cody Rhodes Chase.

The story to finish. That, you know, it all tied in perfectly. It all tied imperfectly, but, you know, that was all centered on Cody and Roman. And that was, has it felt as hot since, since Cody got the belt? Not to, you know, I hate to say that because you don't want to say take the belt off and for that reason, but it's never been as hot. Well, and you got to say reclamation project, renovation or renovation or renovation or whatever. Cody did a tremendous job. He left AEW television, which even then had more viewers

than it has now, but was often a shit show. And he wasn't even the most popular guy with that crowd and stepped into the WWE and immediately blossomed and became the fucking draw he's become. So he really renovated himself from the glorified indie promotion. to the star in the big company. And then he did it just by walking over. But again, I'm uncomfortable because he's still active. Yeah, and also, I can say a lot of good things about CM Punk, but I'm not going to say that he's in the middle of his first big run

because it's not his free. He's closer to the end than he is the beginning. Cody's in the middle of his first big run. And so that's even more premature. he deserves it under this criteria. But that's why I actually think Punk is a stronger candidate than Cody, because look at everything Punk did before he went to AEW, which was his comeback.

You could argue he may have been a Hall of Famer already at that point. Yes. If he had not returned to wrestling still based on what he did, he would certainly qualify again if all things were equal and all these people had any sense he wouldn't be bull curried he would still be in

if he hadn't come back well Jim the next name on this list receiving 288 votes one less than Cody Rhodes 64.1% of his region back on the ballot this year Saboo I hate...

Oh no, is this the one you have a problem with? I thought it was Grand Hamada. Well, no, actually, then there's a couple. He got in because he died this year. So that, you know, pretty much gives a handicapped people that are already dead because they can't die again. I mean, Dave's again thrust of the thing

is that, well, he wasn't ever. a main event guy in a big company, he wasn't really a money drawing talent, he obviously wasn't, you know, world class on promos. His work, let's face it, was awful in relation to actually having a goddamn wrestling match.

But because he was so revolutionary with the tables and the, et cetera, that's why he belongs in. that to me is the biggest thing to ought to keep him out because we still can't get away from the goddamn tables but I'm not trying to speak ill of him because he just died

but if you're going to talk about a revolutionary high flying athlete okay Siama Tiger Mask who within the realm of a wrestling ring and the concept of a athletic contest between two people did all the flying with incredible world-class athleticism and precision and the grace and the working ability and every style from the mat wrestling to the lucha to the blah blah blah blah

saboo's work was the shits he hurt himself often and you've seen umpteen fucking eclipse of him landing on other people's heads or taking them down in a goddamn train wreck with him. That to me has always been the antithesis of what the wrestling business was supposed to be about. So yes, while he was influential and he meant a lot for ECW and for the Indies at the time, unfortunately the influence has been negative overall because it's been 20 years. still can't get rid of the fucking tables. But if you look athletically at his work,

he's not a Hall of Fame wrestler. Sorry. And he was never a difference maker at the gate anywhere except maybe an ECW where the difference was if they could stay away from the goddamn bill

collector this week. Argue with me and blister me all you want to. Other than a wonderful guy. I mean, I'm not even saying anything about him personally, but just no. No, again, Sabu is in a wrestling Hall of Fame with Wild Bull Curry, Cowboy Bob Ellis, Sputnik Monroe, the Steiner brothers, Edge, fucking Ole Anderson, for God's sake, Goldberg, Fug, is it, Pampiro Furpo, Seth Rollins, the Mongolian Stomper, whatever era you are from.

Present your case. I'm not saying I would have voted for him, but I don't think it's as awful as what you presented there. And yeah, there's a lot of things that came out of ECW that Sabu started and Paul Heyman exploited it. Again, he did the tables. Paul Heyman immediately let public enemy use tables. And then everyone did tables.

It was all over the place. I think for a few years there, he was the most exciting guy or one of them in the business. Again, you had to be a fan, even though he got magazine coverage. Whenever he showed up on WWE or WCW, he wasn't necessarily there the next week. It was usually a one and done, but there was a period there and you could argue, and I think I would. The people that put ECW on the map when Haman took over from Eddie Gobert were Sabu and Terry Funk with a minor for Shane Douglas's promos,

which were for a moment unique. And I think Sabu played an important role in the 90s in wrestling. Again, most exciting guy, I saw a match with him and Devin Storm for Dennis in 95, tore the place down, it was great. Again, there may have been 550 people there, whatever it was.

I saw a few of those two, and I also saw him land on a lot of people's hands. And I saw him land on his head, and I saw him in the ECW arena with a good match, and I saw him in a match with Rob Bandam with a ring fell apart, and it was a nightmare. So I kind of got to see every side of it. I got to trade tapes for him. I would have to spend more time thinking about if he's a Hall of Fame or not. I mean, you kind of presented the argument to throw him out of heaven more than the fucking Hall of Fame.

I'm just saying. If there weren't other names to compare some of these people to that you go, what the fuck, it would be like, oh, we don't have room for Babe Ruth and we don't have room for Ty Cobb, but here comes Oscar Gamble. See? I know some of these names. Yeah, and again, there is certainly a bump for when you pass away. I think it helped in the past.

And I think Lou Albano should have been in the Hall of Fame, but it helped, I think, Lou Albano in the past. He died and then he immediately got in. I was a little sad to see that Guerrilla Monsoon didn't get in. Well, I wonder. Well, here's what we haven't even mentioned him. It's a great book by Brian Solomon. But also, Gorilla Monsoon and Jesse Ventura and the Junkyard Dog are underneath that didn't make the Wrestling Hall of Fame underneath Grand Hamada, Dory Dixon, and Saboo. So help me come to grips with this.

It's just... But there's a great example for you, in terms of the influence of Dave over the voting body. Brian Solomon's book, Irresistible Force, available, wherever you find your favorite books. One of the best written biographies of a wrestler ever talks about in their back dichotomy. Where people like Brian Solomon, people like myself, not necessarily people who were kids like us at that time, even older people. We listened to Gorilla Monsoon. With Jesse Ventura on the paper views or with Bobby Heenan on primetime or on challenge, we liked him.

We enjoyed his commentary. We didn't have a problem with him. The observer hated him. He was voted worst, worst announcer of the year, like, six years in a row or whatever it was. And, you know, again, when you kind of train your audience to think, this guy's terrible, this guy's the worst.

And then that same voting body votes for like Tony Chavani to be in the Hall of Fame. That's the problem. But this same publication is supposed to be a learned repository and guardian place for all this wrestling history. And okay, so Gorilla Monsoon,

who not only was the biggest drawing in-ring heel of the New York territory of the 1960s and pretty much set Vince McMahon, Jr.'s company up for success in the early years, but then bought part of the company and was one of the three or four most powerful men in a wrestling business while still being a superstar wrestler, while still being one of the most highly paid people in the wrestling business for the next 25 years, he can't get in the Hall of Fame, but Grand Hamada, after switching his,

he put a VPN on Grand Hamada and switched his fucking geographic location and got him in a Hall of Fame. We'll have more about Surf Shark next week here on the show. But Jim, one final name. Actually, two, I guess I should mention here. I saw it before.

Where did Dave write it? Oh, the French promoter. The French promoter, I just saw this guy. Paoli, named after a city in Indiana. Paoli, Indiana. He just decided to put Ray, Raul Paoli of France into the Hall of Fame without anybody voting on him.

It's sort of like a fucking executive order here because somebody has just done an article on how Raul Paoli was the biggest wrestling promoter in France from the 30s to the 50s and they drew a ton of money. Did they do more business than Morris Siegel for the same time period or even longer because he was actually a successful promoter for a longer period

of time. Well, and I believe now they're saying he was having this fellow, Raul Paoli, had a couple of years there in the 30s where he drew a couple dozen crowds of over 10,000. So that was wonderful. But that was also 90 years ago. And if you're going by promoters, again, as you mentioned, Morris Segal and Roy Welch didn't draw any crowds of 10,000. but he drew fucking few hundred crowds a year of 5,000.

So. Well, Jim, the final name. I was about to say another, another promote, the last name is kind of a promoter, more a booker, but he fits Dave's profile because he invented Japanese wrestling. Go ahead. And that is the category he is in Japanese wrestling,

not U.S. and Canada historical, with 197 votes, 62.7% of the voting body, Bobby Bruns finally gets into the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame. And Bobby Bruns for everybody going, huh? He was a wrestler for years.

He also booked for years for Sam Muchnick in St. Louis and that he was a well-thought-of-resolution. mind in the industry and he had different connections where he could book talent in different places for different tours or in territories. And in one of those particular adventures, he took wrestlers over to Japan in the early 50s and had the first American-style pro wrestling tour, found Ricky Dozan, and trained him and gave him a push, made him a star. So once again, nothing shabby about all that.

But Bobby Bruns as a behind the scenes talent, Bobby Brun, or behind the scenes talent, as a behind the scenes wrestling personality, Bobby Bruns wasn't, wasn't shit or nothing, but he wasn't again, as you mentioned Morris Siegel, or you mentioned Roy Welch, or you mentioned a few of these other people. He wasn't. any more or less successful than they were, except he

happened to find the guy and start Japanese wrestling, and that has forever warmed Dave's cockles. So it's not again that we're shitting on Bobby Bruns, and that was a very important thing he did, but... Plus the St. Louis

connection. And the St. Louis connection, but we're... If we're establishing some type of consistency or whatever. It's just, there's none here. It's whoever he's written well about or brought publicity to or lent a

favorite eye to, especially in the historical categories, because a lot of these people base what they know on history, on reading what Dave writes about it. And then there's the punks and the, the Codies and the people that get in, because if you've got them on a ballot with the end, they're happening right now,

they just can't not get in. Even if Dave don't want them to be. So that's where we're at. And Stanley Weston placed higher than Goldberg and edge. Well, listen to this. Tony

Chavani, with 105. Zane Bresloff continues to be on the ballot because he was friends with Dave and gave Dave all the gate numbers. Go ahead. Here are all the people under Tony Chivani, who had 105 votes, 23.4% for his voting body. He got more votes than Eoskeye, Dave Brown, the Heart Foundation,

Steamboat and Youngblood, Mad Dog and Butcher of Ashon, Hall and Nash, the Iron Sheik, the Samoans, Kevin Sullivan, George Scott, no matter what you think of him, There was a argument at least. And Nokia and Sakaguchi is a team. Carl Cox, Zane Bresloff, Bob Cottle, Bob Armstrong, and several. Bill Dundee. Stomper, Bill Dundee.

Sweet Daddy Seeky. Sweet Daddy Seeky is 20 points below Tony Chivani. And right up above Mercedes Moon. There isn't any argument for Tony Chivani being a Hall of Famer, even if you're a fan of his. So the question becomes, why would anyone vote for him? Who's voting for him? Their ballot should be yanked away. Well, I bet Tony got probably, how many votes did he get here, 105?

And probably half that came from the AEW locker route. You ain't lying. Well, that's the ballot for the 2025 Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame or the people who got in. The Hayibusa and the junkyard dog right underneath the cusp of 60% needed for your division. here's right under that who didn't get in Hayibusa, Junkyard Dog June Byers, Jesse Ventura,

Jose Torres, Ted Turner, Kevin and Kerry and David Von Eric, Guerrillo Monsoon. And that's as a tag team now. I think one of these is in individually or more, aren't they? None of them. No? No? I think that's why they're on like this because none of them are in. Oh, Christ.

And of course, Zach Sabre Jr. So Hyabusa and Junkyard Dog almost made it. And of course, Hayabusa and Junkyard Dog comparable in stardom in wrestling. Almost neck and neck there. Can't hardly tell them apart.

Well, if you're on the cusp, if you're on the cusp, a good thing to do is die, then you'll get in. I'm not sure I like the trade-off. I don't know. Can I get in if I just become very sick? We'll figure that out.

Brian, do you have any closing thoughts before we close the program? A memorable dynamite. a not terribly offensive Hall of Fame class another good episode will be back on the drive-thru in a few days.

That's right, that's your program. So we'll do that soon and then we'll come back with my program and we'll alternate until you're all sick of us. Until then, folks, thank you, fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.