Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 609: Turkeys Doing Their Thing

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

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Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's in Kornet. The keys to the future. Here it's today breaking news items that may break some wrestling promoters' hearts and lots of turkeys doing their thing right before Thanksgiving. And joining me for all that and more. Hawaiian Brian the podcasting Lion,

the king of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. co-host to you, he's the only man who eats his turkey with French toast instead of stuffing. The great, Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again. And it's a pleasure to be here. We have a lot of fun in store for all the kids today.

You've already got me in a fucking foul mood to begin with it. I've just recently been out of breath. So on top of that, you said right before we began this program that I'm modulent. on my audio and accused me of sniffing in the countdown when I got my ear stopped up again, so I can't really sniff good or my ear will squish. So I'm trying to be an old man over here and make a few silent noises and you keep fucking pointing them out to me. And already I've had problems today, Brian. So it's, it's again a cold, damp, rainy, drizzly,

cloudy, ill wind blowing kind of day in Louisville. And I'm expecting a delivery of shipping materials for the Cornets Collectibles Empire that I'm running here. And I'll leave the garage door open because my regular UPS guy, he knows the drill because he just slides it right in there next to all the other shipping materials. But now it's the holiday.

You know, Thanksgiving's coming up. And they got extra people doing work, I guess. And this guy, right as I sit down here, to do this program, moments before we spoke, I do my meditation and my Zen Buddhism. How do you pronounce that? Buddhism? Booty, there you go. My Zen Buddhism, so I can do a calm.

reasoned, rational delivery of the information that we provide here on the program. I always meditate and put myself at a higher state of consciousness. And I'm all relaxed. And I see the truck pull up. And I see it's a new guy getting out of the back out the window here, but I'm all the way up here. And I think, well, certainly he's going to see that he's pulled up right in front of an open garage door with big boxes of shit marked exactly the same way

as these are from the same fucking place I got them from that he's delivering and it's rainy and he'll put them in said open garage right? He puts them on the fucking dolly and heads off down the front walk like he's

going to go to the front door. It's a 60 foot walk and before that if he leaves them there they weighs 200 pounds I'm going to have to schlep the shit back. So I jump up and I run like a gazelle, Brian. I was, I was running like Johnny Weiss Mueller through the jungle and fucking in the 30s in the MGM movies. And I run down. Now just as I get to the front door down, down the door, he's starting to set the thing down. I'm like,

no. And open the door, I said, no, please put them in the garage. Oh, I was going to knock on the door and see where you wanted them. When, why did you schlep this 200 pounds of ship down all the way down the front walk, 60 feet, to the front door to leave them on my porch? I'm thinking, if you were just going to ask, shouldn't you just have come and ask for it? But nevertheless, I said, down there, please. And then I had to run out there to make sure that he put him in the right place. He might have put him in a neighbor's garage.

So then I ran right back up here. and I'm not in a condition I used to be. I'm out of breath telling you about it. But what is, where has common sense gone? Giant open door to deliver giant boxes or take them 60 feet in the rain and set them on a porch. I don't know where that was, that was the first question I've asked. Yeah, I don't know where common sense has gone.

I think that was the question you had. When is common sense gone? That was the first one I'd asked that wasn't rhetorical, but yes, where, oh, where has, has my common sense gone. What do people think? You can tell it's getting up on the holidays. And I can tell that sometimes my effort level of preparation for the show tends to wane here at the holidays,

Brown, and we just wing it right out of the crack of my ass or the top of my head or wherever this shit comes from. And some of this today may be some of that. but a childhood dream of mine was fulfilled here recently by somebody else. Did you hear about this? A childhood dream. No, I don't know what, I'm afraid of what this could be. A childhood dream of mine, when I was a kid, when I was nine, ten years old,

my mom was taking me to the yard sales at the flea market, and buying the comic books and collecting all the cool shit that you could get back then for ridiculously cheap amounts that now cost a fucking fortune. The dream of little Jimmy Cornett was that I was going to walk into the flea market or go to a yard sale and somebody's going to say, look at my attic or whatever, and there is the fucking million dollar, well, there wasn't a million dollar comic, but there is the action comics number one. There's the Superman number one.

There's the Golden Age comic book. holy grail just sitting there that old grandma gretel says yeah my kids used to read those here it's 15 cents or something like that and and all the you know the glory that would come my way with doing that some kids wanted to be astronauts and some wanted to be firemen and some wanted to be double not spies but besides for my Johnny Weissmuller period and my Jim Wild Wild West period Jim West period

I wanted to be the guy that found the fucking comic book and it happened but to somebody else did you you obviously didn't hear about this big news no I don't know where you're going no these brothers apparently they're like my age

And that's the point, is that they, their mother had passed away years ago or whatever, and she had told them at one point, oh, yeah, I got some old comic books. I want to leave them to you or whatever. And they'd put her stuff in the attic and never thought anything about it. And I guess now they're cleaning stuff out or whatever. and there is the highest graded copy ever of Superman number one. Wow. A 9.0.

It has now surpassed Action Comics number one as the highest price ever paid for a comic book. It just went for $9.12 million. A million dollars. And there's a picture of it. of it. It's slabbed, obviously, but you can sit there looks like there's either a smudge or a sunshade. The real deep collectors will

know what I'm talking about there on just like a fingernail size part of the cover and otherwise you can't see a wrinkle or a tear or a no, a 9.0 that's near meant, whatever in today's language or in my language

that's a 9.0 in today's language. But heritage auctions. $9.12 million they got. It was in Northern California, which is key because sitting in an attic for all that time. And that's why I remember the Mile High collection from Denver? Same deal.

There's not only lower humidity, but because there's not these giant temperature swings, the shit, you know, it doesn't degrade the paper. It would, like, if it had been an attic in Texas or Louisiana, it would have been wrought by now. But yes. And like five or six other, like, early action comics that would be, again, depending on condition, they didn't even mention those. You know, those are only a couple hundred grand apiece, probably. You know, it's like we always say, you think everything's been found.

There's still plenty that's out there that no. no one has discovered yet. I read something recently about like, the earliest known Babe Ruth baseball card was found and sold at auction. It's like, how was that just found now? Yeah. You know, now, almost, you know, over 100 years after the card was issued. But there's still stuff like that.

I mean, it's one of the reasons I never give up hope about television footage emerging from different places. See, that's the thing is always I was just a little too. late. I would love to get in the wrestling business 10 years earlier, so I could have got 10 more years of the territories and really been gone by now. I'm sure

some people would agree with that. And when I was a kid, starting reading and collecting comics when I'm like six, that's one thing, but by the time that I was starting to see the ads in the comics

back issues and things like that, say 1970, and and, you know, started getting the catalogs and really schlepping around for this stuff. If I'd have been five years earlier, in 1965, I guarantee you there was not one tenth of one percentile of people in the country that would have told you that old comic books were worth any goddamn thing.

It was a very small culture, subculture, sort of like wrestling today, only even a lot smaller. and they're the fucking ambulance is going by here if you can hear that. If you went to the office, if you went to the office and told your coworkers, yeah, I'm going this weekend, I buy a whole bunch of old comic books. They would have thought you were a lunatic.

Yeah, no. That's the thing is that there was no thought to that there was, there were collectors and there was some underground level of small fandom. But until 66, 67, that's when it started popping up. and I was just a couple of years too late because the older people that knew a little bit more about what they were doing and had disposable income

started going around and doing what I was doing and still, you know, you could do that, going to flea markets and yard sales and garage sales where people would have boxes of shit from their attic. And here's the, I know a lot of people are going,

well, what the fuck? For me in 1971 at the age of 10 to have found a 33-year-old comic book, Action Comics Number One, would be like somebody now going to somebody's fucking driveway garage sale and found in a comic book from 1992. See that, the only, it was a little bit harder because of the war effort. A lot of shit got eaten up thanks to recycling.

Therefore, that's why the Golden Age comics are so expensive. But you could still find shit, that age, because it's all these things are relative, right? So I'm trying to find these fucking 30-year-old comics that I have sold recently and continue to sell for thousands of times what I paid for them, which sometimes was $5 for a box. But that was, you know, it was just timing at that point. Something you said earlier triggered the thought being about Jerry Lawler, but I'll open it to a bigger question.

Were there any wrestlers you knew of who collected comics? when you got into the business. And I thought about Lawler first just because knowing he was an artist, knowing that he drew comics, he did the Patriot for Wrestling Monthly, knowing he's a big Batman fan. I just wonder when he got disposable income in the 70s,

was he the kind of guy that would buy comics? Did he collect comics? I don't, I know that now he has Neil Adams' Batman stuff. I don't know if he ever had an organized collection of comic books per se, or if it was just an overall part of here's this comic and this item, because it's this artist I like type of thing, because he's got the entire also, you know, a museum of Superman and Batman memorabilia.

So it was like, oh, here, let me show you my 10 long boxes. It wasn't that kind of thing. I don't know a lot of other guys. And again, this shows my somewhat single, mindness, even as a child when I got interested in things, like I don't know anybody that was in the wrestling business. I know plenty of them that were fans. I don't know anybody that was a fan and collector and obsessor like I was. I know a bunch of guys read comics or, you know, oh, they knew the fucking deal, but not like, oh, here's my long boxes. I was the only one of those

too. I still have my collection of fucking rocks from Dale Hollow Lake when I was five. That's in the garage. I can show you that sometime. But this is the fucking, we remember we were talking the other day about the newspaper and

how there's nothing to it anymore. And at one time everybody read the paper and that's how the promoters advertised blah, blah, blah. The classified section. In those days, if you wanted a job, you got classifieds now hiring or if you needed somebody

you took a classified out help wanted, right? It was same thing with these yard sales and garage sales where these people would take out it was a fucking dollar 80 to take out a classified ad in a fucking newspaper that had a circulation

in the hundreds of thousands in the classified section and that's what you would look through and then some of them would say, you know, antique dolls and, you know, yard equipment. But some of them might say toys or comic books or even just books or whatever the fuck. And then you might go there if it was close or you might call the people if they had a number and say, you got any comic books? No, they'd save you a trip.

My mom would even, every once in a while, we'd take out an ad and wanted to buy comic books and shit it was a dollar 80 and every once while somebody would call go ahead any comic books or any specific titles well no because then here's the thing some fucking woman

I got an incredible run of little orphan Annie strips and some Sunday color comics pages with Superman and Tarzan a Hal Foster Tarzan from this woman that lived over in the highlands. Good Lord, what was her name? It may have been Edna.

Edna Dietzman. I can't, but point being, her son had saved that stuff, and he had moved out long ago and actually passed away at that point. And she called my, well, I have these items. And we went over and bought them from her, and she was such a nice lady.

But, you know, if you put an ad in every once in a while somebody would have something. And this one guy, God damn it, there was a guy all the way down on Dixie Highway. And he had called, if this was 1972,

he bought this shit off the stands and he was in his mid-40s. They were 30 years old, but early D.C., Golden Age Timelys, and then EC Comics from the That's what I was going to ask you about, anything beyond Marvel and DC specifically EC. The EC comics from the 50s, but by that point in 1972, we're talking the EC comics may have been 20 or 30 bucks apiece, which is, oh my God, I remember my mom paid $25 for the

amazing fantasy 15 for my birthday. And the DCs, the golden age stuff, he wanted 30. $30, $40, $100. So I got one book, which I think was $50, I believe, is the most we ever paid for a comic, but this was a Christmas present. You know, World's Finest Comics was the Batman Superman team-up title for so long. I have some of the omnibus of that, yeah, Omnibai, I guess. But the very first edition was titled World's Best Comics. It had Batman Superman on the cover, but that was the number one.

And that's the one I got and sold it during the Smoky Mountain days, 20 years later, for like, I think, a couple of thousand dollars, whatever. And if you had held onto it for another 10 years, you could multiply that. Well, yes, exponentially. But, you know, Daddy needed a new TV station. But the point is, as I look back now and think with these three, and I got to look through the cool stacks of comic books, right? he had like three big stacks.

It was in nice condition. And it was like stuff from 1995 in terms of chronologically, but it was a different world because of the way things had, you know, metamorphosized. If I'd have had $2,000, which at that point in time, and bear in mind, my mom's like,

Jimmy, you're 12, you know, I wouldn't have even have asked. But what would $2,000 be in 19, 72 today, would it be 10 or 12 grand, 14 grand, whatever? I guarantee you the books sitting there that he had would price out today at potentially getting to seven figures, certainly high sixes. That's why it's just, it's got ridiculous. Real people can't get in the wrestling business or collect comic books anymore. when I was a kid it was my dream like one day I'm going to buy all these comics that I've ever wanted every time I go into a comic book store and you see all those old issues on the wall I'm going to get all of them and the older I got I'm like you know this market's gotten out of hand I don't know if I'm going to do it that's when I started collecting all the different omnibus books from Marvel and DC that way I at least have all the stories and you know some books are better than others Tashin did some reissues where they have all these

original advertising, which is cool to see. But just to at least have everything, the Marvel Masterworks and the omnibuses, omniby, I settled for that and I'm happy with it, and I like it. But, you know, it was a time where I would have done anything to buy all these old issues. I have some of the omnibis and the reprints and et cetera, a few of them. But the good thing is that since there's not a lot of value to them, I'd never have sold any of broken up any of my collections of Marvel's collector's item classics or Marvel's greatest superheroes,

which were the reprint titles in the late 60s, early 70s, so all the reprints are there and those are now 50-something years old. They just had a big thing in New York where it was in the village. I forget which street it was now. May have been, nah, I don't want to even guess. but they were trying to rename it, or I guess they did, Jack Kirby Place. Because it's where Jack Kirby was from. And then as soon as that came out, all of a sudden you start reading all the articles about

fuck Stan Lee, fuck Stanley. Anything you read now about Marvel Comics, it's like within the first two or three sentences, it's usually a fuck Stan Lee in there. And then with DC, I don't know how much you know about it. We talked about something and you brought up Bob Kane. and we heard from a few listeners and then I watched some documentary about the guy who did all the work

when Bob Kane put his name on it and took all the credit and then was like silenced by DC Was it Finger? I think so. I think so. I don't remember the name off the top of my head but now he gets credit

for being like a co-creator of Batman but for years he didn't and at the same time apparently Bob Kane was a real asshole. Well, but you, would have thought at least Stan Lee would have, because he lives so long, he would have switched baby face in the end because of the way that everybody treated him and leached off his poor dying, desiccated carcass on the way out.

It blew my mind, because again, I'm born in 1979, start getting into comics in the 80s, being aware of comics even in the 80s. I knew who Stan Lee was. His image was all over the place. His name was everywhere. They didn't hide what he looked like. Years later, when I see him as a bald man in the 60s, I was like, how could that be Stan Lee?

It sounds just like Stan Lee. But that man looks like a different man. I didn't realize he had a wig and he came up with this whole look to make himself the persona. He got a new gimmick. He's got a new gimmick, baby. Like John Delorian. All of a sudden he's a different person. But you've got to admire him just for longevity, if nothing else.

Imagine if Fever had been able to hang on that long. He tried, man. I have all that stuff he sent around in the 60s. Like, he claimed there was a picture of him in the 40s backstage, but he looked older in the photo than he would have them. But it's like, the beetle haircut. The original beetle, Jack Feffer. Yes.

It was only the, it was the original beetle haircut because when he's in a hotel room by himself and night to save money, he'd turn a bowl over his head and cut his own hair. It was dirty and moppish because he didn't wash it Not because it was a stylish take on things I just saw a man leave this barbershop With the greatest haircut I've ever seen give me that Well Prince Valiant had a trademarked so nevertheless

Anyway before we move on with any Any other wrestling Moularchy There's somebody else in big trouble We need to take a minute to acknowledge this because we've talked about him. He's been a friend of the show here in the past a couple of different times. What the heck is Smokey Robinson up to now?

I guess you could say the tears of a clown. Potentially, I'm not exactly sure. I have a article here. I think we first started talking about Smokey, if I may call him such, here on the show. We're familiar. We played his audio. I think here on when... And Chinooka's coming up.

Yeah, Chinooka's coming up so we can talk about Smoky now. Smokey had been accused of... We should say we're not making fun of a solemn holiday season, but Smokey Robinson did a cameo a few years ago where they asked him to wish so-and-so, little bupkis, whatever, Happy Hanukkah. And they used the... I get Brian, they're not pronounced.

is interchangeable or some is an H and some is a C.H. Correct? The spelling is interchangeable, I guess you could argue. The pronunciation is kind of the same. Well, yeah, the spelling, you can see it spelled both ways, but you say it's the same way, but Smokey wished little Pismo, a happy Chinooka. That's right.

That's what the reference was. So we feel like we've, since we've had him on the show here, we're on a first name basis. And that's kind of what you expect from the lovable old Motown legend Smokey Robinson. Just some kind of whimsical moment, lighthearted. Spreads joy and happiness. Everyone got that big grin and he's always happy and he's beaming and he has the Meliflu's voice that sings.

Yeah, I mean, he has that voice, everything. I think the next thing we heard about him was he was accused of sexually harassing his longtime made. But now we have a new article here. the New York Post under Celebrity News, Smokey Robinson hit with two new sexual battery allegations, including one from a male ex-employee. Oh, Christ's sake, Smokey!

This was written by Bernie Zillio. Smokey Robinson has been hit with two new sexual battery allegations, including one from a former male employee. The two new accusers, John Doe One, and Jane Doe 5... Five! ...have been added as plaintiffs to the $50 million lawsuit originally filed in May by Jane Doe's 1 through 4. I didn't know about that.

That says, and they're all related? Four former housekeepers who accuse Robinson of raping them repeatedly throughout their employment. Oh, wow. According to the amended complaint, which was obtained Wednesday by page 6, John Doe 1 began working for the Motown Music mogul and a... his wife Francis Robinson at their Chatsworth, California residents in 2013, performing automobile. Now, wait, wait, hold on.

It's also didn't Chatsworth right in the middle of where they used to make all the porn when porn video companies were a thing before the Internet? You would know more about that than I. I'm just, I've just, I've seen. I heard something. This man, John Doe, one, was performing automobile dealing, not dealing, was performing. was performing automobile detailing and related services.

He set up in the front of Smoky's yard and started selling him some cars. Hey, come on now, this one's got cold air, folks. And related services on a recurring basis. John Doe 1 alleges in the suit that Smokey, 85, began sexually harassing him shortly after he was hired, often coming out to where John Doe 1 was working,

wearing only underwear That's kind of awkward You're working on the car and a guy shows up in his underwear But he's 85 Isn't that actually I mean Do we think he might be pulling

a Vincent Gigante thing here Or is he He's just 85 What the fuck Smokey would then allegedly inappropriately touch himself In front of John Doe 1 Who alleges that the quote

sexual arousal was vivid and unmistakable during these incidents. According to the complaint. And for that, he should have stood up and given Smoky a round of applause because he's 85. How is this even possible? Well, there's drugs, but maybe he should have gotten up a punch Smokey in his face. Screwed up that facelift. Let me go back to this. The alleged behavior was often accompanied by vulgar and

offensive advances, to which John Doe 1 would repeatedly respond, put some clothes on. Per the suit. Oh, Smokey, no. Put some clothes on Smokey. I would want to remember you like you were. We're doing this again. Put some clothes on. John Doe 1 alleges him to complain that in 2020 Smoky grabbed his hand without consent and attempted to force it onto his private area prompting John Doe 1 to allegedly withdraw

turn away and leave the property Withdraw Turnaway, that should be the title of an album John Doe 1 claims he quit shortly after that incident but return to work in 2023 at the couple's request However, Smokey's alleged... Wait a minute, what now? Hold on! He had enough.

So he... He quit. He had enough. Smoky put your clothes on, and he quit, but they asked him to come back, and he did. It... However, Smoky's alleged behavior continued, and after, quote...

No! Learning of similar conduct towards other victims and out of a concern for his own well-being, John Doe won quit again, according to the suit. Meanwhile, what was there a conversation like? Please come back.

We changed Smokie's medicine. He's going to wear clothes. I promise you he'll have clothes, at least a robe. Yes, he knows where he is now. He won't try to, you know, fondle you. Meanwhile, Jane Doe 5 claims in the complaint that she began working for the Robinson's

as a housekeeper in 2005. She allegedly took a leave of absence due to a work-related injury, but returned to work at the couple's Chatsworth home from 2007 to 2011. Jane Doe 5 alleges in a suit that Smokey began sexually harassing her a couple months after she returned to work and continued to do so throughout her employment,

she alleges the sexual harassment often occurred on the second-floor bathroom of the home. Let me scroll down as pictures of her. of Smokey here. I thought you were going to see this picture's the bathroom. Jane Doe 5 alleges in the complaint that Smokey would call her baby and summon her to the bathroom

while he was showering or preparing to exit the shower. Smokey would then allegedly ask her to enter and scrub his back. On more than ten occasions, he allegedly grabbed her hand and attempted to force her to touch his private area, which she allegedly resisted by pushing his hands away. and leaving the bathroom, according to the suit. Jane Doe 5 goes on to allege in the complaint

that Smokey would often walk around the house naked and rubbed his elbow against her chest as he passed by, saying, I like you and want to touch all of you. Ask for whatever you want so you could be with me. What the fuck? He also allegedly proposition her to accompany him to a nearby hotel per the suit.

He's 85! Can you imagine, unless he has had as extensive a surgery on the rest of him as he's had on his face, can you imagine what he looks like walking around? That's why he said, take a good look at my face, was ignore the rest of me. Don't look down. Because the rest of the ship's out of place. Let me go back to this article here. Jane Doe 5 also claims she was overworked and underpaid,

alleges in the complaint that Francis, the wife, Not the talking mule. 73, was aware of her husband's behavior but failed to intervene. Jane Doe 5 also alleges that Francis regularly yelled at her, often using ethnically pejorative language, and blamed her for various missing items. The accusers are suing for sexual battery, assault, sexual harassment, gender violence, hostile work environment. What? Negligence, false imprisonment, intentional infliction of emotional distress, failure to pay minimum wage, failure to pay overtime wages, and failure to provide rest and meal periods, among other claims.

Let me stop there, we have a statement. Among other, what other claims can there be? I think they covered it there. There's kind of a wide variety of claims there. But what, has anybody, again, I'm just asking, because I don't have his phone number. I don't talk to him on a regular basis. Has anybody verified whether Smokey is a vegetable

or whether he's just still able to do this shit at 85 years old and is walking around leturously? fornicating on people. We have a statement from the Robinsons. This is through their attorney, Christopher Frost. These plaintiffs are part of the same group of people that have conspired together against the Robinsons and are layering out their claims from maximum adverse publicity.

We have already explained in the Robinson's lawsuit against this group for defamation, civil conspiracy, and elder abuse that all along, this has been an organized, avaricious campaign to extract money from an 85-year-old legend. The group of people who hide behind anonymity and their attorneys see global publicity while making the ugliest of false allegations. We have sought the court's intervention multiple times to require these anonymous individuals to divulge essential information. turn over relevant evidence, and share deposition transcripts with the district attorney. For obvious reasons, this group of doze and their attorneys refused to be forthcoming

with all the evidence possible to investigate their own claims. Once the public can see the truth, the avaricious motives and fabricated claims will be revealed. When asked about the original complaint in May, Smokey told the Daily Mail, I am appalled. That's it? That's all he said. That's all.

Are they sure he didn't say I buried Paul? Smokey, what do you have to say about all these allegations that you did all these things to these women? I'm appalled. That doesn't really answer, like, what he's appalled by, or what is the appalling about it? Wait a minute. Hold on here one second.

Let me just hold on appalled. Appalled. Let's take him at his literal word. Oh, it's all the way back at the front. There's architecture. I'm going backwards. Apeer. He said cranberry sauce.

Aorta, apathy, apart hide. It doesn't have a polled. Oh, no, there's two peas. That's why. That I bet. Where would that be? Son of a bitch. Aphorism.

Apocalypse. Appal. To fill with horror or dismay. So that doesn't really... Well, I guess it's a truthful statement. If you said to him, whether it was true or not, he would be appalled by it. It would fill him with horror and dismay.

Well, this is the... He can't. trust anybody anymore. It's become our weekly update into the downfall of famous people. But 85 years old. And what the fuck? It is smoky. All the money in the world and tons of Niagara. Can that be good for your heart if you're 85 years old? I wouldn't think so, but I don't know how that works. At that, there's got to be a law of diminishing returns somewhere. You know, I'll tell you what, go ahead. On the topic of sexual harassment or anything, you know, it's funny, I just saw a video that someone posted a Vince McMahon from my 2003, 2004, somewhere in there on Bite This or whatever the WWE online show was where he was being asked questions.

And he was asked about you and Ed Ferrar about you spitting at Ed Ferrar in his face. I did not know that this existed. You want me to pull it up? Do you want to actually hear what Vince McHan had to say? I've never heard of this or about this before. Give me a moment. I'll see if I could find it. If you want to recount the story real quick about you and Ed Ferrara.

Well, I mean, for the long-time listeners, I'm sorry if we're chewing our food twice. You already know it. But basically, I had not seen Ed Ferrara in person, been in the same place with him, since he had done the Oklahoma business where he was making fun of Jim Ross's Bell's palsy and his droopy face and etc. And I felt that not only was I unhappy that anybody would make fun of a friend of mine's

potentially could have been career ending at that time physical ailment and illness that he had undergone and didn't know whether he was going to ever fully be back, so we didn't know about the next 30 years, but also for it to be this fat fucking little tub of shit that had somehow leached his way into the wrestling business for like two years. And then at this point was trying to live on his former glory because when they were trying to set up TNA wrestling

and he was potentially going to be one of the announcers with, I can't even remember who. he was going to do it with it first. But I was doing a show for Bert Prentice in the Nashville Fairgrounds sports arena. And I was doing commentary with, good Lord, was it Scott Hudson, maybe, whoever the fuck.

And Bird had called me and said, hey, they're going to practice their T&A announced team at the fairgrounds. And I thought he was saying, so we need to use them instead of you guys. I'm like, okay, that's, because I'm busy with OVW, Bert. No, I want you to do my show, but their team is, again, it was Don West,

Don West and Ed Ferrara. I said, oh, I'm going to knock that shit out of him. And that's what Bert said, please don't for me. Okay. So we're going to coexist in the building. I had no intention of speaking to him. And when I'm standing back there talking to somebody, in comes this idiot with dreadlocks on,

the whitest, fattest, tubbiest motherfucker in the world with dreadlocks on, and walks right up to me and sticks his hand out. Hi, Jim! So I looked at him and told him what I thought of what he had done, and I had promised Bert that I wouldn't hit him. But I didn't say that I wouldn't try to make him hit me first, so I spit in his face when I cut the promo on him, which is I'm sure available here on our YouTube channel somewhere.

Maybe even the Arcadian Vanguard Network channel it's been so long. And he didn't fight me. He just walked off. Well, in 2002, Vince McMahon was asked his opinion about this. That's about when it happened. The audio may not be the best. Let's go to this. And again, there's another situation I think that we've been on the internet as of late.

And I just, by the way, that's Tom Pritchard talking to him. Oh, yes, Dr. Tom. Our developmental program in Louisville and, of course, Cincinnati. There was a situation this past week involving Jim Cornett and another writer that was here at Ferrara. Of course, I've known Jimmy for over 20 years. He worked up here with you, and I don't think you can deny his passion or, you can. his work ethic as well. Do you feel that something like that?

Do you feel the animosity, or do you feel anything the same way Jim Cornett would towards this guy or would have, I'd be welcome back as well. I mean, he made fun of JR. This is the reason Jim, of course, had these personal feelings, and went in and pretty much stood up to the guy

and told him, go to hell. Everyone's entitled to an opinion. Yes. When that opinion goes beyond an opinion, you know, and results in physicality, results in spitting in somebody's face as it allegedly happened. I don't know I wasn't there. That's unprofessional.

So, you know, I mean, no one can appreciate Cornett's passion for the, quote, business any more than I do. I appreciate that. I don't know that at Farrara didn't have it either. I mean, I just thought it was a very unprofessional situation. Yeah. Well, there it is. Vince McMahon in 2002. What do you think of that?

I think, of course, when Vince was the. was that the first year of the IPO when he was trying to play the CEO when we can't have the unprofessional conduct? And then once he's a billionaire, he pays out $25 million because he shits on people's heads. At least only spit in his face. Can you imagine the headlines I could have got if I'd have shit on Ed Ferrara's head?

I don't think there was any coming back from that at that point. I think, you know, it's more acceptable now than it was. 25 years ago. What to shit on somebody's head? That would have been something. That's the funny part about it. The whole idea that Vince McMahon is pointing out your unprofessional for doing that.

Meanwhile, he was sleeping with talent. Oh, I forgot. That was concurrent with that, wasn't it? Well, yeah. Well, but he didn't spit on him beforehand. Well, shit. Maybe he did. Oh, boy.

He spit on him when he told him to call Laurinitis. Oh, well, anyhow. That was Vince McMahon in 2002 sounding like Vince McMahon for his voice was totally gone. And, oh, and that's another thing is that Vince and Smokey are within what, seven years of each other. So, therefore, now they've joined the 80-year-old billionaire's Viagra Club or whatever. And they're competing with each other to see who can be the dirty-year-old man. It's always weird when they say like the wife's aware She's okay

Like that same little Bill Cosby They're like you know his wife has to know That he's been raping hundreds of women And in this case Is Smoky's wife the one? She's 73 is she the one that's fucking seen now No Smokey's up in his room again Who knows what the fuck's going on with these people?

He called someone baby He called someone baby Yeah he's been doing that for 70 years Hey If calling somebody baby is going to get you in trouble and Jimmy Hart would have been in jail 50 years ago. But you know what all these people need to do,

don't you, Brian? Oh, no. All these people need to just fucking protect their privacy because all this shit gets out. So here's what you need to do. If you're a, I don't know, a 80-year-old octogenarian multi-millionaire Motown star,

and you want to hire somebody, do it on the internet with a VPN from Surf Shark where you can protect your privacy. You can tell the people that you're hiring for menial yard labor that you're really a fucking yacht broker from Tulan, France, instead of who you are,

the dirty old man in his bathrobe that's going to come out and wiggle his wang around. That's what Surf Shark can do. for you. That's not what they could do for you. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. This is not really a sales point, but what Surf Shark can do for you, Jim, talking about Vince McMahon, big changes since Vince McMahon left WWE, the pay-per-views, the premium live events, the Saturday night's main events, they're all over the place. They're everywhere. You don't know how you're going to get them. There's an easy way to get them. There's an easy way to get them. There's an easy way to get them.

You don't know where your next big event is coming from, ladies and gentlemen. That's right, but there's an easy way to get them. to get these big events all in one place, just say you're Canadian with Surf Shark. That's right, because the Canadian people are so nice, people just give them shit. They don't have to watch commercials. They don't have to do it.

Put yourself in the middle of, you know, somewhere like Saskatoon. And they will just, they'll beam all these shows. You'll actually just get to be able to log on to the security camera at the WW. headquarters where you can just watch the wrestlers come and go on Surf Shark. Because you can just tell the Surf Shark people that you're the goddamn head of the secret police for Saskatoon.

And automatically you're going to be looking at the hidden cameras. Again, you're adding layers to this that are unnecessary fans. Well, you've got to be layered up in the wintertime. It's fucking cold out there. This is easy. This is easy and safe and something you can do. Oh, it's easy and safe. safe because there's a risk-free 30-day money-back guarantee with Surf Shark.

And if you sign up for Surf Shark, we're using our link, the code JCE, you're going to get four extra months with no charge on top of what you sign up for just by using that JCE code. So like you said, it's easy and simple. You just tell these people that you're in command of the United Network Command, of law enforcement, uncle. And you want all the wrestling programs beamed to your lair somewhere in a Swiss mountainside. And when you type that in, boom,

you get all the wrestling shows on Surf Shark, right? And nobody knows that you're really, you know, fucking Tits McGee from down the street and Poughkeepsie. That's the way it works, right? I don't, again, you give really not the best examples. Let's put it this way, folks. TKO is trying to get every cent they can from you. whether it's live events and of course the various different media rights deals they have,

forcing you the wrestling fan to have to spend endless amounts of money every single month just to be able to have the chance to access the multitude of events that are just non-stop coming at you every single week. If Tony Khan adds another show, you know they're going to add another show. You know they're going to try to mess them up. It's non-stop WWE. That's the TKO way. But you could say, I'm not going to pay for all these things.

I'm going to pay for Netflix in Canada with Surf Shark. Yes, and use Surf Shark's money for it. And that way it won't cost you anything. Well, no, you have to use your money. Again, that wasn't part of the deal. I thought you said you're going to pay for it with Surf Shark. Using the service of Surf Shark. You're going to go to Surf Shark and you're going to sign up.

Well, you're going to use our promo code and you're going to see all the WWE events as they would in Canada without the stress and pain of those bills. If you call their 800 number, Every once in a while, one of the girls on the phone lines will talk to you for a little while, and she might lend you the money if you. They don't have an 800 number, but Jim, we're telling everyone. Well, I got, I got her apartment number.

Maybe it's just a post office box at a mail drop place, but she's in, she's in Sarasota, Florida. All right. This is your show. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so anyway, so folks right now, surf shark, nobody will know who you are, be who you want to be around the world and take advantages of all of the privacy features of a quality VPN, and that's not even a vice president,

all you got to do is go to surfshark.com. Surfshark.com slash jCE. Use the code J-C at checkout, get four months on top of whatever you sign up for at no extra charge because you use that code. Surfshark.com. you'll be protected. It's like a giant condom over your internet. I'm not, you know, I'm not going to shoot that down,

but it's not the greatest example. It's protection, yes, for you. Well, and also, if you fill it up with water, you can drop it out the window. Surf Shark. You can't, you can. All right, I'm expected twist and turns, but yes, once again, Surf Shark, Jim,

one last time that promo code. It would be JCE, as I said before, clearly and distinctly. And we appreciate you patronizing them so that they can protect you. And just if you walk by their building, there's an umbrella in your head. Now's the time Survivor Series seen his last match, Royal Rumble around the corner, now's the time, surf shark. Now's the time. And it's no better time.

Time is a ticking. Time to play B sides. Time ain't on my side. time I'll never know. Oh boy. We got to go back to the news, Brian, for a second. I'll hold on to that for a second because we got another piece of news. Did something happen to Eric Bloom?

No, no, this is local news now. We've done national news. This is local news because, you know, a lot of the people out there who denigrate me for some of my political statements on the Twitter machine, they say, well, he never says anything. anything good about you know who? Well, I'm going to now announce that ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump has done something good for a native Kentuckian, a fellow citizen of my state is now in better shape, feeling better, more prosperous than he was before because of the

current occupant of the White House's intervention. Brian, have you heard about this? I have no idea what you're talking about, no. Well, there was a guy, a Kentucky guy. Maybe we're going to take over instead of Florida man, a Kentucky guy. Well, he was arrested for his alleged part in the January 6th festivities when they staged the insurrection against government. And when they arrested him, they found six guns and four. thousand eight hundred rounds of ammunition on him and that wasn't actually fucking kosher because he had prior felonies on his record so it was illegal even in this gun crazy country for him to have

six guns and four thousand eight hundred rounds of ammunition because he's already a convicted felonese multiple felon then they took him to trial for january six and they convicted him. And he was supposed to be in prison until 2028. But Trump pardoned him. So I want to thank him for aiding a fellow Kentuckian and at the same time making several million other of us less safe because of his actions. But Brian, have you heard what he's been making news, old shit?

in a variety of ways, including how he treats the news. You've obviously heard about the controversies of the past week of him talking to the press. Yeah, I saw the ABC News one live where in the Oval Office with the Saudi Prince. Also, as he's also known, future owner of WWE, the Saudi Prince with Donald Trump in the office. He was really insulting to the ABC News reporter. and then I found that about the piggy thing after the fact and that was just the beginning of the week. And again, for the folks around the world

who don't understand how we're inundated with this fucking pig and his bloviations constantly, he's cracking because whether it's the Epstein thing or is the Republicans now realize in three years, we're going to be rid of this fucking guy and we've got to have a future

and he's old and he's stressed and he's just blurt and shit out now. So not only is he accusing as he always has any reputable news outlet in the country who tells the truth about him or even just doesn't lie when he wants him to, that's fake news. And he's starting to get cracks in a number of people who just blindly believed that bullshit like it could actually be possible that everybody's engaged in his massive conspiracy to tell you lies about me because I'm just an asshole. But nevertheless, he's resorted to actually telling them to their fate. You're a rotten reporter. Your network ought to have its

license pulled. Your fake news. I don't know why I talk to you. You do a horrible job. and when one woman was asking him on the plane the other day to follow up on a question about the Epstein files which has really got him his ass chapped imagine what a hideous sight that is he actually said to her quite quiet piggy this fat asshole fraud is starting to melt down

because he realizes he can't keep his plates spinning very much longer. And it's getting tiring because he's fucking old. And he's lied and he's grifted and he's fucking distracted and he's name called and he's whatever his way into a fucking corner. And the only people that are willing to still kiss his ass or these lunatics he's surrounded himself with. So nobody's even telling him the truth about how stupid and false all of his shit looks and he's calling these people fakes.

And Brian, as you'll remember, since my father was in a newspaper business, he had quite a bit to do at the state level with not only freedom of the press, but fairness and accuracy of the press. And for these legitimate, I know there's some Fox News people and some of of the right-wing lunatic piss sites that he credentials now instead of real people that are going to report facts and knowledge. But there's real reporters there that are being insulted because they work hard to verify, fact check, whatever the case, and figure out this shit.

If it had for the guy's name Woodward and Bernstein, we might have had Nixon until 70, fucking six. So the point is you know that every reporter that covers this lying sack of shit is sitting there

wishing that he would drop over and turn to jelly. They hate the sound of his voice, they hate the condescending tone, and they hate being called names. But they can't say anything.

because they're supposed to be professional, right? Well, I think that there's got to be somebody in that pool of somewhere in one of these press positions that says, you know what? I just can't take this anymore. I hate all this shit. And I want to go open a bed and breakfast on a beach somewhere or get a job at a goddamn hot dog stand, people would be nicer to me than this. And just looking for a change of career.

Brian, I told you this the other day. And you didn't know whether it was legal or not. So pending legal approval, I think this is what if somebody on the reporter's crew, even a sound guy, anybody that's there, if they would just in response to this fucking flaming asshole insulting them the next time he does it there'll be many say you know what fuck you you

fucking asshole you're the fucking fraud around here and i'm done and drop their camera drop their microphone drop their goddamn equipment fucking walk off to god damn just i'm fucking done fuck you that's enough they would make worldwide news they would get a standing ovation from whoever was in hearing distance and I'll give them $50,000 to start their new career. I'm putting up $50,000 cash to the first reporter or reporting crew member who tells this fucking piece of shit. Fuck you. You're the fucking fraud here, you fucking asshole.

He would be the he or she would be the he or she would be the he or. of tens of hundreds of millions of people around the world who would love to be in that position. I got to check with Stephen Pino. I'm not advocate. Well, no, I got to check with Stephen because we got to have some kind of goddamn escrow things set up or something. But also, but I'm not saying physical assault. Don't throw a subway sandwich, although that guy, he was exonerated.

Don't, you know, no, nothing physical, just a good old. old-fashioned American dressing down, which is still hopefully legal. How do you prevent a situation like with Don Owen's brother, where you're paying extra for a shoot, but they're actually working together to split the money? Because there's no way that that egotistical, lunatic, megalomaniac pig would allow anybody to tell him off to his face for any amount of money. Even the Saudis.

They haven't got that much money. He's always got to fucking be on top. I would like to just say, I would, if somebody could, goddamn, get me a front row seat to some, I'll give you a hundred grand. If I was the one, it could do it. But I don't know that people would let me that close to him.

Everything with him is a one-sided confrontation. Because the people he beats up on the most of the people who can't say anything back or they'll lose their job. Well, and that's why I'm saying. 50 grand, anybody. We've got a wide listenership. I'll give you the first 50 grand toward that bed and breakfast on the beach or that hot dog cart in Central Park. Whatever else you want to do.

Some of these people have network jobs, Jim, 50 grand. You've got to make it like, $250,000. You got to be also just fucking fed up. I'm not saying, you know, it's, oh, I'll suddenly chime happy right now, but for $50,000. But no, this is just a little help along the way, just a little tip, a gratuity, if you will. from the citizens of the United States of America for somebody with some balls to stand up and tell his fucking clown to his face

what he fucking is. Anyway, what would happen? Would they immediately just stop the press conference and drag the person? How would it happen if it happened? Well, do you can't drag somebody out if they're already walking out and they've done nothing violent?

Unfortunately, you're talking about an administration that doesn't seem to mind these kind of things. well but that's the thing is by the time you know you just said they don't expect it and had no AI generated shit now this has to be in public where people talk about it because you know it'd be reported but if somebody they're fucking 30 feet away with the helicopter and he's answering the questions if somebody says fuck you asshole you're fucking fake right here we we hate you I'm leaving now in terms of where they're walking halfway off the field by the time the meal team six could

scramble. Who are you going to call someone piggy, tubby? Yeah. I ain't your guy, brother. Buddy. It's your brother, fellow. You know, we all know you're bald, right? Beyond even just fuck you, because that's a big step,

because that's fuck. Just a good insult that, you know, no one has said to him publicly to his face. You're bald. How about... We know you're bald. Like Elaine to George. You're bald.

Fuck you, you fat bald asshole. I don't care. Just the sentiment could be in 10 seconds. Can be relayed. Somebody needs to stand up around here. Jim's also putting up $5,000 for anyone who goes up the J.D. Vance and says, hey, do you know where the bathroom is?

And I, no, actually, I tell you what, 10 grand, if somebody asked him when the plane is coming in. is the plan boss the plan you need to keep up with south park this season i'm telling you too i missed the reference i saw some of the episodes but i don't know this reference no yeah well oh boy they they did the nasty the other week on tv old schitler and jd did because jd's working him because he's working in a cabal with the billionaire peter teal and etc while satan's having Trump's asshole baby. So it's a whole goddamn mess.

I don't think there's any two creators who have gotten away with more over 30 years than Matt and Troy with South Park. It's amazing. It's amazing. And it was especially timed well that they just got like a, how many figures is a billion,

a 17 figure renewal. And right when he decided to make his frontal assault on freedom of the press so now every episode this season has portrayed him as literally not even the spawn of Satan but like the fucking baby face or the heel in the in the relationship with Satan who's the baby face. They also know if they get fired they're going to still get paid and the contract is signed. You fire us for one of these things.

We're going to get all that money one way or the other whether we do the show or not. Anyhow, speaking of getting money, whether you're going to. you do shows or not. That's pretty much, well, I guess he's getting money. Old Tony Kahn is. Tony's getting money as long as he does shows,

whether anybody watches the shows or not is the more questionable topic, right? But have you seen the list now of the potential buyers of Warner Brothers Discovery? How many people have previously bought all this shit

that encompasses Warner Brothers' discovery now that now somebody else is buying them. We've got like one or two steps away from three people owning every piece of media in the United States, Brian, right? Pretty much. It's gotten bad, yeah. Conglomerations owning it, not necessarily just people.

Well, but you know what entities. Because there's always one guy at the top of that conglomeration. but there's three potential people or entities that are now going to buy or supposedly interested in buying Warner Brothers Discovery, which includes TBS, TNT, and I guess the belts go with the networks, right? If AEW was to leave, would TBS and TNT still be able to have somebody defend their titles? I think Tony would just change them to a new title. You know, welcome to the true TV champion.

or I guess that's part of the Warner Brothers Discovery. Maybe it wouldn't be that if he had to do. Yeah, see, you wouldn't be. See? The court TV champion. I don't know. I think they're going to keep whoever the champion is when Tony eventually gets kicked off the network, the champion of each of the networks gets to stay and defend against the other on-air personnel,

you know, on Saturday nights or whatever. But anyway, buying or interested in buying Warner Brothers Discovery. in no particular order, from what I understand, Comcast, Comcast is the entity that now, remember when NBC was the goddamn owner of everything? Now they're just another, remember when RCA was the owner of everything?

Yes, just a cog in the flywheel now. But that's NBC, and for more for wrestling purposes these days, peacock, peacock, peacock, peacock. So one might think that Brian again, the relationship may not all be rosy because the WWE finished up their commitments early, right, to get off of Peacock and go over to Netflix and that whole fall to roll. And NBC moved Saturday night's main event from network television to Peacock. So they've got a relationship, but it wasn't as strong as it once was.

So maybe that might mean that if they ended up with Warner Brothers Discovery, would if they wanted wrestling, or if they wanted wrestling of a certain level, would that open up Tony to more beneficial treatment from the corporate overlords? Well, again, Comcast owns USA Network, which is SmackDown, and is a direct competitor with TBS and TNT, a little different because they don't have sports, but, you know, I don't, you know, again, there's a difference between WWE and AEW

and the perception from media executives, at least amongst the ones I've talked to and people I know. WVEE, no matter what we all think of the ebb and flow of the booking or the business or whatever, it's seen as a big deal to people who don't follow it the way we do. It's the brand to the average person and average executives. So again, they still have a WWE deal. If they happen to purchase Warner Brothers Discovery,

I don't think it's as simple as just slot AEW into previous things we were doing with WWE. They're not going to see them as the same thing. And again, you still have the issue of, WWE would be on USA and they would be on potentially still TBS and TNT all under one umbrella. be weird. Well, I don't think that that will come, that they will all be under one umbrella, at least for any length of time. And that's the point of this, is that as the media conglomerates narrow down, not just AEWs, but any potential future wrestling or et cetera, opportunity narrows down except those under the WWE umbrella. Because that,

I'll give the other potential buyers here in a second. Then we'll talk about I've had experience with dealing with everybody from the local executives at W.OA.Y and Oak Hill, West Virginia, to sitting in rooms with meetings with the executives from the network going on. And I've lived through the changes in the way that TV and wrestling have gotten along with each other over the past 40 years. and your point is valid is that even if there's a less than cordial relationship and or the network wants to be in the wrestling business,

even though they've been shut out of the product they want, there's a chance for a secondary product. That's how the secondary product is usually wormed its way in for the past 30 years. but with there being other secondary products under the WWE umbrella, and with there being so many programs produced by the WWE that can now, in this post-Vince world, with all these Wheeler dealers and deal makers, they can be with multiple, the TKO Empire, can be with multiple networks for multiple programs,

multiple streaming services. That's going to be the goddamn challenge for AEW because it's current now and for anything else that would ever want to start up ever again. So the other potential buyers, Paramount, which has no wrestling but has got the UFC

and the bull riding, bullshitting things they do, and then Netflix, which one of their top 10 shows is raw. If Netflix was to buy WBD and all of their networks, AEW would not, what's the old saying?

They shouldn't start reading any continued stories. If Netflix were to buy WBD, you know, you have to look beyond just AEW. you have to think for a streaming company like Netflix, and they were at it first, they changed their entire business model from the DVDs in the mail to streaming. It's kind of remarkable how early they were on top of that.

And they're the leader. But you have to think they would swallow Max, right? I mean, so much of the AEW pitch right now is, yeah, we're doing great on TV, which they say no matter what, but the Max number, we know that Warner Brothers Discovery is so happy, with what we're doing on Max, you can now get our pay-per-views at a discount.

$10 off from Max. If Netflix buys WBD, they may not want there to be a Max because they would want Netflix to be the Max. So then you would have WW RAW on Mondays. An AEW would fit into the same system. I don't know.

I don't know about that. You would have, a new broom sweeps clean philosophy in some case, but you would have redundancies eliminated. They did that when they merged the UFC and WW front offices. There was news about that for ages about how they were eliminating redundancies, two marketing departments or to this or to that or to the other thing. They don't want two streaming services,

but more importantly, they want to be, again in the old days the territories had a hopefully good relationship with a local station in their market and occasionally it could be something like Memphis where every station would have taken the program and other times you lost TV because there wasn't another station that would take the program but then in the 80s when wrestling got hot the local stations it in a five-stations market, it would be the number four or five station, Brian, that would broadcast all the territory shows or the wrestling blocks or whatever, right? They'd strip it on weekends, whatever the case.

But it wasn't necessarily the strong, major local affiliates, which it always had been before with the local promotion when they went away, boom. but then the networks over the last 25 years as they've gotten involved and gotten in the wrestling business and started to own parts or get concessions or pay rights fees but get crossover appearances do the Netflix people or even the Comcast people or whoever the people do they want to be able to say oh yeah we've also got X star in our movie that's coming out or the TV show where he's hosting the gas. Sina is the host of a game show on TBS.

None of the wrestlers on their network are big enough stars to host a fucking just a regular game show. They have to go. So that's going to play a part. These networks now that are in this nationally, they want to crossover appeal, the crossover opportunities, the fucking stars. They want to deal with the top. company, not just for the fucking wrestling show, but for all this other shit, and the merchandising and the premium live events.

So the fewer there are at the top, the more this is going to squeeze Tony, and are these new owners going to pay more money next time for the same deal that they've got now when they have fewer viewers and the way he got to show on the network to begin with was at a football party with the guy that was in charge of programming that's already been gone. So now he's a red-headed stepchild twice removed after this move takes place. And that's with us not being sure if Warner Brothers Discovery actually owns a piece or not. And Tony and AEW have fought hard, I think in the Moxley lawsuit where the stage hand got hurt, to prevent the information from getting out about who truly owns the trust

or the company behind AEW. They've fought to let that information out. It's not as simple as Tony and his sister. It was set up by their dad. There's something else going on. And it may or may not be Warner Brothers Discovery, but a lot of people, a lot of people in media who aren't in wrestling think that AEW is owned at least a small percentage of it by Warner Brothers Discovery. So that would have to go into the equation one way or the other. And the other thing is, USA Network tried to rebrand, like the whole network. I don't even remember.

It may have been 20 years back. All of a sudden they had original programming, and it wasn't just Ronda Shear and, you know, the Cartoon Express. Characters Matter. Characters Matter. Those shows all became priorities, and those shows were, to them, prestigious shows. but the strength of Raw and WWE to them were, yeah, it's not going to be as sexy to advertisers,

but these numbers, and specifically the male demographic, is going to make us the number one network on cable. All these other shows are going to do good. This will put us over the top. That's what became the value of Raw. Again, it's a different playing field now. You could argue that some people, based on the deal, still see WWE. that way. We're going to get all these eyeballs from men. WWE's a hot thing. Let's bring it in.

They're not going to say that about TNA. TNA. They're not going to say about TNA. They're not going to say that about AEW. They may say about TNA if WWE keeps helping them, but they're not going to say that about AEW. And we've said it before everything was up in a year about Warner Brothers discovery being sold. So much of the strategy for the media deals for WWE, it's a about getting as much money as you can from everywhere, but it's also about closing doors that Tony Khan won't be able to open. And they've got deals, you know, CW is not even on this list, obviously.

They've got to deal with CW. They have deals all over the place. They have international deals, and then they have deals that are just domestic. And a large part of that, and the thing that's going to probably hit the hardest in the next few years, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen the next few years, will be Tony Khan being shut out from any of these established big partners. Well, they can say,

oh, your group of stations is predominantly Hispanic audience. Here, we have this AAA show for you. Or you'd like something different besides our mainstream stars. We have this NXT thing for you. Oh, but also, you know, we're not a monopoly. We work with this other thing called T&A

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There was a wrestler from Boston. Sasha Banks. Whatever happened to her? She's still wrestling? Well, unfortunately she is, and they proved it Wednesday night, but we'll get to that. But they had the opening match, the Hertz Syndicate has been put in this casino gauntlet battle royal to determine the new national champion etc.

And so far, really, it's like Hong Kong Phooey and Kevin Knight and Ricochet and his stooges and Lashley and Benjamin. And so now they decided, since they've announced six people for this, they'll have

not only a match for the number one spot between two of them, but then another match later on, it So the opening match was Bobby Lashley against Rickashay for the number one spot in the casino gauntlet pay-per-view match to determine who the new national champion is going to be. And visually it was ridiculous.

And if it was the heel that was the, you know, a fucking giant, and the baby face was the little resourceful, you know, quick fellow. There may be something there, but here the heel is the incredible shrinking man. And they knew they couldn't get any

time out of this. And I'm sure the Hurt Seneca could probably register their thoughts. So they had and Rickache again has the heat of we know you're just a fucking

bweb in person and we just don't like you. type of heat from these people now. But they had him cut a promo for most of the time, and then they had a three-minute match. I'm not complaining about the fucking match being short, but have you ever seen a promo from supposedly a star wrestler on a national TV show that looked more like a kid in 1997

with a VHS camera playing wrestler? It is Backyard Wrestling Federation. then this RICOchet promo. We see plenty of bad promos. This was bad and also bad delivery, his voice. This was one of the worst promos I've seen, and it went on for way too long. Rickache shouldn't be on.

He was best used in Lucha Underground as a mute mask man. Because then he was impressive. Every time he's out there and he talks, you take him less seriously. It's not like, oh, he's a heel, I hate him, like Dominic. I can't wait for the baby faces to get their hands on him, but ain't that. He's an annoying heel in the wrong kind of annoying way. And not a good promo.

Doesn't know how to do a promo. They were literally chanting shut the fuck up because they wanted him to. And it's, it's not heel heat. This is don't care heat. And everybody, Lashley's standing there. What, he had to stand there for like four minutes while his guy rambles on. again, Lashley is best presented when he can be explosive and et cetera.

And finally, the biggest pop probably the whole thing was and right after Tony Chavani had said, why don't Lashley just hit him in the back of the head? Lashley went over and grabbed him and chokeslammed him over the top rope onto his stooges. And that got a pop. But then, I mean, Lashley hit the post at times so Rick-A-Kin-N-Hae could take over,

and then he made a comeback in seconds, and a spear, one, two, three. At least, as I said, the match was short, but I don't know what the fuck this is doing for anybody, do you? I don't think it's done anything to help the hurt syndicate this feud with Rickusay and the Gates of Agony. I think you could argue it's helped the gates of agony because they're booked less awfully than they were.

but they perform equally as awfully ricochet is I mean remember what turned them heel in the first place with AEW it's like the more exposure you have to him the less you want to hear him or see him he's like if if Eddie Haskell was the star of Leave It to Beaver rather than just a supporting player Right

I guess that's a way to look at it I don't think he's anywhere near as talented as Ken Osmond for the record Well, no, but the annoying character for the whole show is rather than, you know, yeah, he's just, he's fucking annoyed. I just saw the episode where Eddie's dad comes to visit Ward Cleaver because Beaver put a voodoo curse on Eddie with a voodoo doll because they snuck into the wrong movie theater to see like some movie about like voodoo and Beaver somehow now has black magic abilities according to Eddie's dad. Well, that's almost as good as the one where when Lumpy Rutherford put the fucking fireworks in the jolopy that Wally and Eddie Haskell were riding in, they hooked his back axle up to a tree so that he couldn't drive out of his driveway and he jerked his axle off and they had to put it back on. The best part about that too is his dad comes right out and starts yelling at him. I knew you were an idiot.

Go back inside. So ladies and gentlemen, now we'll leave the senior community and come back to what happened on Dynamite. Hey, these are stars of PBS, PBS's past. Yes. The new Leave it to Beaver. And people still remember them. You're going to remember this in fucking 15 minutes probably. So they've been doing this thing with the Hardley Boys, the kookamonga kids, the chairman of the lollipop guild,

where Don Fowles is trying to get them to join the Fowless family, making veiled threats and et cetera. But he's trying to show them what he can do for them because they're broke. They've lost all their money in this believable real-life storylines. And so he gives them a big intro on the screen and they walk out into the arena and there's loud music and silent fans

when they come out to the ring. these people are even just done with them. They'll pop on moves, but they don't care to see these fucking two. And then Don came out with Josh Alexander, who's become the third wheel in this thing. He looks like the delinquent in high school that got left back a couple of three times, right?

Standing with these fucking two. And their opponents at a six-man tag team match are Scorpio Sky, and Dante and Darius Martin with Christopher Daniels and a girl. Lela Gray. Lela Gray. There you go. So they could have saved money

and shot this on the trampoline in their backyard and not even had to come and do this. But after about 10 minutes, the three heels got one of the baby faces in the ring and just triple teamed him over and over while that fucking piece of shit Rick Knox just stood there dumbfounded mouth agape and watched them. And after they hit him with several things,

then Alexander got an ankle lock on him and made him tap out, and the referee allowed it with all of the other three heels in the ring keeping the baby faces out. So it's not cheating if the referee sees every bit of it. and these baby faces all, whether they're job guy baby faces or top guy baby faces, they all are just beaten flat with no fucking... Anyway, comments on the match before we do the afterbirth? Anything, Brian?

No, a typical Young Bucks match. Rick Knox is the referee, as in most Young Bucks matches. They told a great story about how Top Flight first got into AEW because of the Young Bucks. Top Flight haven't won a match since then, I don't think. It was just ridiculous seeing this babyface team who you knew were about to lose come out, and they had like multiple managers.

And they didn't even have anything to do. They're babyface managers. Dante is the one with the, he's the bouncy fellow over on that side of the street. He's the big jumper. and Darius, his brother, has gotten to be a little butterball, hadn't he? I was like, did he always used to? I know I always say these guys need to get bigger when there is big around as a fucking drink straw, but I don't mean fat would I say big.

But nevertheless, so they do this match, boom, and then the baby faces slink out and defeat. And we've seen Scorpio Sky for another year, I guess. and then Rocky Romero and fat-ass Davis and a miscellaneous mass Mexican come to the ring and that's where Don asked the Buccouros there to officially join the family demands they do it and of course they milk reluctantly oh my God they were like Betty Davis

and baby Jane tearing the scenery up here no they're just standing there in a moat-faced and then Don reminded us to them. of them you know what can happen to people around here if they don't have a family you know what happened to Kenny Kenny and wouldn't you know Brian who won

the pony music played and it was Kenny's as soon as he mentioned his he'd been out there for 10 fucking minutes mentioned the name boom and Kenny comes out with a chair and hits a few of the lower class heels on the floor

and then got in a really fake-looking fight with Alexander in the ring, the bucks are standing there like, oh, we don't know what to do. And then they ask him to stop, but as he turns around and looks at them like, well, are we going to talk this over? Alexander clipped his leg and got the ankle lock on him,

but the buck still don't do anything. And then Don tells Alexander, let him go. And then Don tells the hardly boys there. Give him your shitty little double knee lift. I mean, was there other fucking baby faces out there at one point that somebody

just got the shit kicked? I don't know what the fuck is going on. But nevertheless, as they milk that and lacklustily grab his hands to try to give him the double knee lift, then the Baltimore music plays, and here

comes Jackoff and Dino, who made a save, I'm not making this up with a snow shovel and a vacuum cleaner. Not even a canister, but a bag. And the heels bailed and everybody argued while the fans sang Baltimore. Oh. With Kenny, you got to really do a lot to piss him off, don't you? To really end a friendship, you've got to go to extreme lengths.

How many people have we seen over the the last year and a half or two years or whatever since he's had his injuries, health issues, time off, he comes back, somebody does something heinous to him with his bowels or his gut or whatever and hospitalizes him and he's gone and he comes back. And when he comes back, then wasn't it Kyle gave him a double brain buster off the goddamn deal through the deal to the goddamn deal and they carried him off?

And then he comes back. And the bucks originally, didn't they hit him with a baseball bat or something? He never comes back and just comes out and says, I have gotten over getting a shit kicked out of me by so-and-so and I have come back to get even. He just always stands out and looks at the same people that sent him to hospital last time. And so why is he asking the bucks if they want to be friends again? when they tried to disembowel him.

Or why is he goddamn involving himself in this when he ought to be one to kill Don for Don's people hospitalized him and nearly ending his career, one of the many times it's happened? What is going on here? You know, this goes back to one of the problems from the beginning of AEW when the young Bucks in Omega was certainly a lot hotter with their fans than they are today.

they were hot because those fans like those kind of matches. Whenever they tried to do an angle or a storyline, whether it was on their own YouTube show, or everything they've done on Dynamite, it's amateur, childish acting, the thought process that clearly goes behind all these things. And again, it's not just this, the bucks for now weak, standing there looking confused while Don Callas says you're going to be part of my family. This has been going on forever. And they just can't pull it off.

They don't make it seem interesting. But this was the Adam Page's drunk and hanging out with the Dark Order shit. This is the Young Bucks. Couldn't be friends with him because of that. It's all of this drama and bad acting that specifically has been applied to the Young Bucks who were supposed to be the big thing with AEW. And they've never just had a great feud. You could say the FTR matches.

But again, you're talking match. The FTR Young Bucks feud is not existent. There's no great feud. If you like the matches, they're great matches. But the Youngbucks can't pull off anything but their style of matches, and every time they try to do any kind of acting or any kind of segment, they stand out for just how amateur it feels, to me. They have the personality of mud that falls out of the tread in your tires.

It just lays there. Nevertheless, then we moved on. What's good for the goose is good for the tit, I guess, or it's tit for gander or whatever. They had the match with Bobby Lashley against Rickashay. So now two more of the guys in the casino gauntlet battle royal for the national title. Did they even say, is this for a spot in the thing,

or did they just have this single match? Shelton Benjamin against Hong Kong Fooey. I guess it's just for a Spock's. I think Lashley won the first spot, right? Well, no, they've already got a spot. No, but I'm saying Lashley's the first... Lashley's the first one that will be entering the casino gauntlet match.

Yes, but was this Shelton and Fooey match? Was this for another spot, or did they just have a match because they're in the fucking gauntlet match? It's one of them will be in the match, the one who wins, and the one who doesn't won't be, I think, right? I thought they were both already in the match. Oh, are they?

Then why did they even do? I don't know. Because Tony, all he does is have, in his mind, all this shit makes perfect sense. Because we're neither having the chemical makeup of Tony's brain or we're not on the cocktail of medications to control a force ed. So we don't, and he's hit the wall. It's the same thing. It's multiple man matches. It's fucking, and you can, since we listen to Tony's interview on Ariel Hillbani's show,

he takes full credit for it. And with that in mind, I watch this show, I believe him. I think Tony's writing this thing top to bottom. And I think a lot of the guys are trying to do it. Some of the guys are trying to do it as palidably as they can and still consider themselves professionals. i.e. Bobby Lashley and here's Shelton Benjamin. And I think a lot of the guys are just saying, fuck it, we'll just have fun anyway.

And he's paying us so much. So I said that Lashley and Rickishay was visually ridiculous. This was the same size discrepancy because Hong Kong Fooey, old spitball, is even smaller than Rickshaw, even though Shelton's a little smaller than Lashley, but a ricochet's work at least when he's trying not to be silly, his shit looks good, this fucking small child

looks like a kid playing karate. And again, maybe something that saved Shelton from as much embarrassment as this could have been to have to be in a ring with this guy, for this long, is it both of them are baby faces. So it's not like Shelton should just eat him up and spit him out like a heel. He'd more be like a big bully if he did that.

But the fans would chant, we hurt people, as clear who they believe in, wanted to see. And Shelton mostly manhandled him and his shit looked good. There was too much on the floor too early, but at some point

Shelton had to start letting Bailey do his setup, choreographed horse shit, and Bailey has no aura, no timing, no personality. As I said, he looks silly and works silly. And when Shelton gave him a comeback, all he did was the kung fu bullshit. And at one point, Shelton gotched lifted the little turd,

and they went over the top rope to the floor, that was a heck of a bump, but then they started doing the Bailey's fake bullshit on the floor and they lost momentum with him trying to set up the swingy dingy thing and then Shelton barely beat the count because they had to go out of their way

to try to make this guy look competitive. There's no goddamn way on God's green earth that Shelton Benjamin and MVP would have sat down and said, we have to do this much to make this guy competitive unless they were instructed to. Because it's just insulting to the fucking program. And MVP was calling him on,

did you hear him on commentary when Bailey would try to get an arm bar and he doesn't know how or couldn't work it? And MVP would say, well, he doesn't have the fulcrum right. Yeah, let me just say, I don't know if he should have said everything he said, but I enjoyed the fuck out of it. MVP tore this apart on commentary every time speedball was on offense. Because you had to, or it makes him look bad to normal people that might be watching a program. And finally, they did, I don't know, I watched this back a number of times. but as I said Bailey had done more stuff to Shelton and then gone back and forth and finally

Shelton's charging toward the corner Bailey it looked to me like Shelton was going to jump and fly into the corner and hit the buckle but Bailey kind of moved but wasn't all the way out of the way I don't know from the camera angle couldn't tell so Shelton kind of held up and then went into the buckle and kind of turn around. like, well, what the fuck? And Bailey was he supposed to small package? If it was a schoolboy, he pulled him into a schoolboy. Whatever, Shelton kicked out, they came up and Shelton leveled him with a super kick.

He turned a complete flip bump for it, Bailey did. And it got a huge pop because it looked great. And Shelton covers him. And the referee counts one and two. And Bailey doesn't kick out. out, he spoke a couple of words. You could see his lips moving, but the only movement he made was to just put his hand on Benjamin's back.

There was no kickout. And the referee held up and didn't count three. And the fans started booing and loudly, they were pissed. They were like, what the fuck? and MVP jumped up and he jumped into the ring and yelled at the ref. I think he jumped into the ring to say, tell him to do it again. Because he actually got in the ring to yell at the reverend and it got right back out

where he was on color. And they got up and Shelton gave Bailey a German suplex and a knee in a corner and in a super kick. One, two, three. so obviously the super kick was the finish. But why the referee didn't count, I have no idea why Bailey would have spoken words. Was he just saying thank you for not killing me?

Why don't we use this as the finish? It just doesn't make any sense that nobody moved and the referee held up and a finish was a super kick. We just saw this on Smackdown. What was it? Who was with Nia Jacks and the referee? stopped counting. I can't remember now.

Good Lord. Was it Jade or was it Tiffany? I don't remember. I don't want to say either. But we just saw this happen on Smackdown where the referee, there was a clear pin, the referee just stopped, and then they just get right up and go right to a finish.

But that was the thing. You could obviously tell what they went into from the, aborted count, German suplex, knee in the corner, and super kick again was just ad lib because with what they had done before, if he'd have kicked out, they would have been anywhere near it. It just, I don't know what the fuck.

But this, again, it comes down to, instead of preparing the referees properly and having an environment, maybe they think they'll be yelled at, instead of guys going over the finish and this will be exactly it. They auto instruct the referees. If the shoulders are down, count it. Work with us to some extent. Here's what the finish is supposed to be.

But superseding that, the Booker, the head of talent, whatever should supersede that with, don't bury yourself and fucking shit on the business on live television. If some bitch doesn't kick out, you got to do what you got to do. You're the referee. Now, again, there's always multiple circumstances. If you know the guy is knocked out and you know it's the finish and he's supposed to kick out, but he's laying there looking like he's on Neptune,

then you need to communicate before you start to count with the guy that's covering him. He's fucked up or something. I mean, there's all kinds of shit going on. But if both guys are still conscious and everything's down, just fucking, and nobody's trying to move, count it. I... Only Shelton got to beat him twice. That is a good way of looking at the silver lining, isn't it?

MVP was killing him on commentary. It was so entertaining. Because it was all factual. It wasn't like he was being a heel and just lying right. Everything he said was just point by point breaking down how everything he did looked weak. It was really remarkable. Yeah, horrible technique. He said, for the right price, I may be able to work with young Bailey a little bit on his grappling.

He said, I'll take an all-American wrestler over a black belt and taekwondo every day, which and everybody should because that would be a thing you would do. But I mean, it's got to be a rib to these guys that know what could be going on versus what they're having to look at. You know, again, it's one thing to see a Mike Bailey against the Young Bucks or Orange Cassidy or Darby, Jack Perry, someone who's not built like a traditional wrestler, not built like a traditional wrestler at any other time in history. When you see it in Shelton, it's just, it's ridiculous.

I mean, there's no way you can, you can even in your head, even if you think Mike Bailey's the baddest motherfucker on the planet, you can't think it's reasonable that he should beat Shelton or even have that much of a competitive match, but that's just the way it is. Now somebody's going to go find an old videotape of Shelton Benjamin having a barn burner of a fucking competitive knockdown dragout match with Ray Mysterio and say, well look, see? Yeah. Not the same thing.

Yeah. Exactly. Put Ray Mysterio of that time period, or even today, next to this fucking tippy-toeing son of a bitch. He took twinkle toes his gimmick, too. Anyway, I don't know what this finish was supposed to be, Brian, but I guarantee you one thing.

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JCE you know this is much better than that other similar product I had one time that it always said set it up right in front of where you use the toilet. Don't know why that they wanted me to do that. So should we go back to the program? Yes, let's get away from bathroom talk and back to, well, dynamite. Well, I don't know.

We're really making a lateral move at best, aren't we here? At the top of the 9 o'clock hour, it was Dick the boozer at his henchman Claudio Castignoli against Rodrick Strong and our little puppy pockets. So needless to it, it started with a four-way on the floor, by the way. So after about 15 minutes, every single one of the boar horsemen interfered and moxley choked out pockets. At least now they're using him to do jobs, but still it's offensive. Just the, even if the wind is blowing the other way of the stench, you still just, you still just, It's just not palatable.

So then they get more heat, and Kyle O'Reilly comes in and gets an ankle lock on Moxley. And while he gets the ankle lock on Moxley, Garcia and Useless are behind him, fake kicking him, which he's not selling, he's not supposed to sell. He's laughing it off, but the kicks don't look like he should sell them anyway. and three adult male referees, as big as the two heels that are on him, instead of just pulling him off or pulling them off, they're just kneeling there going,

please stop everyone. And it just looked so ridiculous. And then the other baby faces came in and did some fake shit to the heels, and then everybody stopped so that O'Reilly could challenge Moxley for the pay-per-view, with no holds barred. And you know what that means, Brian,

no disqualification. Did I miss any pertinent points? Because it is just, it's the same fucking thing every week. Yeah, somehow the death riders still remain the worst thing on this show. And every single week we get to see a match with one of them and then every one of them run in.

Well, this was no exception. So were you? where you just captivated, Brian, then by the next match, which was for the Women's World Tag Team Championship tournament, where Tony Storm and Mina Melons took on the the very formidable team of Alex Mountbatten, Windsor, and Rihaw! What's it? They flew Windsor, I get in from England for this,

where she, I assume, been tending to her, intended better half Mr. Ostrich but and Rejo where does she go when she goes? And why does she come back when she comes?

She'll be coming around the mountain when she comes. From Castle Kenny, I believe. So Storm and Mina now have a dance routine that they do on the way to the ring. It looked a little like Elaine Benis was their choreographer.

and they gave this thing count and inferences 15 minutes of national TV time, which is why that I don't know if I would have a lot of confidence in their future rights, fees, and deals with new owners at WBD, because that's the way they decide to use their fucking TV time. So then the next match, Shepoopee. Shepoopy Brian wrestled the world. champion the hangnail Adam Page with Samoa Joe on color.

And I know that there's a there's a grudge here, but Paige the baby face jumps the heel, Shepoopee in the aisleway from behind. And it beats him up all over the ringside area, throws the guy in the ring. And then as Paige gets up on the apron, the heel just gets up and runs over and just boots him in a face right off to the floor and the referee rings the bell to start to match. It's again an example of how these are the stupidest most weak, impotent,

feckless baby faces in recorded wrestling history, aren't they? They're always doing something stupid. They almost never win anything. And even though Paige is the champion, I mean, obviously he's got all his drawbacks, but they just do stupid shit that you wouldn't do if you weren't stupid. And then the heel beat page up on the floor forever without being counted out.

They had to be easily a couple minutes there out there. Referees, and they did a trick with a chair. And then this is the end of regulation dynamite. They ran past 10 o'clock by one minute. but fortunately this week we get a three-hour block because it was two hours of dynamite one hour of collision so they just rolled right into collision and one minute in page hit a buckshot lariat on him beating one two three and then cut a promo on samoa joe sitting there at color that went on and in page's

stagey, fake, growly voice way, he told Joe, I hospitalized Hobbs, he electrocuted him, and now he said he did something to Shepoopee here, but he got bleeped. I don't know what the fuck he said. And he bored

everybody, and Joe just stared at him and said, I'll see you in the cage where you'll be all alone at full gear. Boy, is this a world title match of epic proportions or just more of the same old shit that we've seen. Yeah, I'm not really caring about the match one way or the other. I hated Samoa Joe on commentary here.

He comes across, he comes across like a guy playing a heel on commentary in a way that he doesn't when he does his promos. I just wasn't believing him. It was almost like he was trying too hard. I don't know. It was a weird feeling I had to. That is a thing.

At some points, people do try too hard when they realize, oh, God, this is shits. But also part of Joe's presentation is you've got to be able to see and it has the facials and et cetera. But no, I don't know why they're so fixated on page otherwise than to not have put the belt on him would be admitting that everybody that they originally, banked on to be their pillars

has been a complete and total fucking disaster except for MJF, who thankfully is never on a program because he's in a movie business. So they got to put this thing on page so he can bore the fuck out of us on a weekly basis. Anyhow, continuing on briefly, the Women's World Tag Team Championship

tournament match number two was up again. Megan, Brain, and Marina Schaefer against Anna Jay and Tie Mellow Yellow. And that was another 10 or 15 minutes. What happened on that, Brian? Let you tell the people, rather than me drone on about it. Megan Bain and Marina won. Well, there you go.

So next. Mascareda Derradorado. versus obla di obla da he's so dull oh did you watch any of this i actually had enough morbid curiosity i watched a lot of this match did you see any of it uh no not really if they wanted to clear the building they could have blown off the tornado siren or called in a bomb threat they didn't have to do this to these poor people with Okada was trying to, not very hard, but he was making the half-hearted attempt to cooperate

with some of Mascarra Dorada's gymnastics, but had the same lackadaisical body language and unhurried physical effort and completely blank, puzzled face that he always does. And it was just, it was like, Again, underwater choreographed gymnastics. And thankfully, most of this match was Okada not doing anything and wasting time,

but it was the worst match of the night, including the girls, and it wouldn't end. Or lazy, phony, sloppy. And finally, both of them stood on the top rope, holding each other lightly by the arm, standing straight up on the top rope, both of them, motionless, with blank look, so well, a blank look on Okada's face and the masked guy. And apparently, it was supposed to be Durado was going to Hurricane Rana him off the top rope because Derada jumped up and did the legs over the shoulders. But when they went off, it looked like instead of any kind of flip,

O'Kada just jumped off and it was going down feet first, which was taking Dara down head first. And at the last minute, Dorada rolled over to where he landed on like his face, chest, and stomach and O'Kada landed on his feet and just kind of fell rolled over the top of him.

And the referee checked Dara. And as I said, he had tucked at the last minute, but otherwise that would have been high rate of speed from about 10 feet on his fucking head and I have no idea what Okada was supposed to take because he wasn't going to take anything

he jumped down to his feet from the top rope and then it looks like you could have made the case that Dorado was paralyzed or dead from this bump the way it looked and instead of covering him

O'Cada picked him up and Dorot a small package deem and got a two count and then jump back up and O'Cada hit a drop kick of suplex and that shitty little clothesline. One, two, three, he, a dead body revived to get the last fucking two moves of the goddamn match in. What is the matter with these people? That was not rhetorical. I didn't watch the match, so I can't tell you. I wish we had quarter hours because I'm pretty sure Mascaro Dorana versus Okada in the 10 o'clock hour

drove away a lot of people. Hey, well, I'll just tell you what the match that drove me away was. Was the next one was the last one. And yes, I missed the quarter hours too because this had to be the Mariana trench of ratings drops. for the undisputed Ring of Honor Women's World Television Championship

Mercedes Moan defended the Ring of Honor Interim Women's World TV Championship against the Ring of Honor Women's World TV champion Red Velvet and they went past 11 o'clock into an overrun

and I'm assuming that Mercedes is up to 14 belts now. So now they've, at least there was a precedent 20 years ago or whatever for fucking 11 or what, now it's just gone into comedy. And they had, did they have a belt made for the interim ring of honor world television women's champion? Yeah, because she won the belt when she beat Mina Shirakawa, a few paperview. They had one made specifically for that.

Well, Tony likes belts and Tony likes spending money. I'm sure he has belts already made that you don't even know about for titles that he hasn't even named yet. Well, that was that over there for the AEW Dynamite Collision Mashup, because, of course, Saturday night they got their big whoopty ding, so they didn't want to kill the collision ratings, which have suffered badly enough as it was. And they had one of those preview shows after a collision. Oh, Christ. At some point in a couple of years,

I believe the new owners of whoever they turn out to be are going to be examining some of these deals where they have a company tying up three plus hours of a night of their primetime real estate. to deliver an average of 400-something thousand fucking people, if that sometimes. Because I wonder if collision could collision, and we'll find out at least some type of total measurement,

even if we don't get quarters, but collision has been down in the 200,000s on Saturday night in their regular time period. Will they be moved to Wednesday at 10 o'clock and do a better number than they do in their normal slot? Would they drop collision if they thought as a network they can get their hands on Braun Strowman and his cooking show or his menu show, whatever it is? Because that beats all these shows.

I don't know if they'd make that exact trade, but yeah, Braun Strowman going to restaurants and ordering and not even consuming everything on the menu does an equivalent or better number now than many of the AEW broadcast extravaganzas. I don't know. Well, that was Dynamite in Boston. They are in the Northeast with the big paper view coming up in Newark. And we'll see what happens. You know, the thing is, Brian, there's never any sure thing anymore.

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not going to get your money well brine we've been talking about who's going to own what network platform and who's in charge here and what's going on but it also comes down to who's watching this shit. And at the same time as all this other chaos is going on, we're several weeks into the new ratings system, the big data plus panel era, where the wrestling shows that we've talked about this have taken a bigger hit than any other programming on television. And our friend Thurston Howell III over at Russell Nommack. has sent out an email with some information and has compiled some numbers. And apparently he's got the, I don't know how these things are done,

but he's got the information on what the shows have been rated under the new system, but what they would have been with just the old system. And he's got some comments from the big high muckety muck in charge of this whole fiasco. Can we just talk about this for a minute? Yeah, let's talk about it. A lot of it's confusing, and a lot of listeners are still getting in touch with us and saying, where are the ratings? We love the ratings segments.

Not only did the ratings change, but immediately there was a lockdown on information about quarter hours, for instance. They sent what seemed to be indicated to be a threatening sort of email from the legal department to Brandon Thurston, and we're going to talk about his reporting here. let's plug it, WrestleMania on Patreon. And there's a lot here about what's happening now

and how it would look, I guess, under the old system and a lot here, as I said. Well, and that's the thing is that they've clamped down on some of the information getting out in those quarter hours. They were fun. They were fun. But at the same time, we've said

that everybody's agreeing that the wrestling programs have gotten hit a little bit harder than, in some case a lot harder than the other programming with this new method. And there's a comparison here. And he has compared A.E. Dynamite, for example, with both methodologies. And starting after their last preemption, when they got put on a Tuesday night, we'll go with the next several shows. Whereas the next week, the 15th of October,

the new information had them at 534, the old information had them at 531. So it was a little bit better, just almost the same, but a little better. But then the next week, the new method was 477, the old method 527. following week the new method 459, the old method 544. Now, again, 527, 544 compared to what they were doing,

even in September, they were up to 638 with the old method. They're still down, but this is down worse. The next comparison was 543 with the old method to 497 with the new method, and then blood and guts, actually the old method would have given them 608 and the new method gave them 600, so it was almost the same thing. That's fascinating, that they would end up like that.

But regardless of the methodology, they're still in that 450 to 550 pocket and their big event got 600. But with SmackDown, and part of this, he makes note, we'll go SmackDown and collision, just to get a complete picture, but the collision differences are the smallest

because it's the smallest rated show with the smallest number of, you know, smallest sampling. So those differences are going to be smaller. With Smackdown, which has pretty healthy numbers, it's really marked because it's a much bigger number even though it may be same percentage. With just going for the last

four or five shows. On October 17, the old method would have been 1.332 million. The new method was 1.18. October 24th, the old method would have been 1.325 million. The new is 1.147.

The Halloween show then dip, the old method would have been 1.097 million. The new method was 933,000. And then they're back up the next week. It should have been 1.304. It was 1.141. So they have lost consistently 200,000 viewers off of whatever the old number would have been versus what the, and that's been since the start of the thing,

all the way back in September. 200,000, 200,000, almost 200,000, 200,000. But it's important to note, this is an unexplained discrepancy across the board for wrestling, but it's a little different for different shows. That doesn't mean it's wrong. You know, especially with AEW, when you see the ebb and flow of their shows where the numbers at times meet. It's not like everything's just going in one direction. Smackdown, it's literally just, you know, you made a second little line,

under the main one the entire way. It makes you wonder if this is slightly more accurate. And again, I'm not saying that's the total viewers for SmackDown, but maybe that is for first run airing on TV, not counting anything else, but big panel or big data plus panel is supposed to count outside sources too, I would think. And there is some element of, well, you don't get a lot of wrestling in the sports bars and et cetera.

But just with collision to finish that up, their differences are smaller because even under the old method, they're doing 261, 273, 298, 256, 1-3-3-317, and then 235. And the new method is 20,000 lower, 20,000 lower, 30,000 lower, 30,000, it's, it's almost negligible, really, the difference. But again, the CW network has even complained because Nxte is still its leading show, and it still is under the new methodology, but the gap isn't as wide anymore. Even with NXT, they've been 9% lower on average in total viewership, but 20, 37% lower in 1849 and 29% and 25 to 54.

And so now the CW network itself is, is that we've expressed to Nielsen our deep frustration, the broadcast network stated. And they're complaining to Nielsen and trying to get them, hey, can we tighten this shit up somehow? But who knows what's right, as you said? Yeah, and again, I wish we kind of had these sort of breakdowns for the lead-in shows, too. You know, is there a similar, or what is the ebb and flow for the other shows right around these shows?

Because that would tell you a lot, too. C.W., they've complained, they're questioning the credibility of the methodology. The quote here, and again, WrestleMania has all this on their Patreon. the sudden and substantial discrepancy in WWNXT viewership reported by big data relative to long-established viewing patterns is inexplicable and lacks credibility. That's a network saying that the rating system lacks credibility.

Think about that. Well, because when you have been telling somebody for a long time, something is like this, and then suddenly you tell them, you know what, it's completely changed because we're figured it out a different way now and it's like that. Then you were wrong at some fucking point in this juncture and they are, I would think, justified

and try to find out how and why. Here's more from the quote. Further, a comparison with data from other measurement products, including others from Nielsen itself, exposes a fundamentally flawed methodology in big data. We are disappointed by Nielsen's lack of cooperation, transparency, and accountability with its network partners

as we work to resolve this issue. You know, we're talking about wrestling, we're focusing on this and we're hearing about this complaint. We don't know who else is complaining about this, because it all comes back to this is what advertisers are going to go off. We don't know who else is complaining about this and how many complaints they're getting, but it sounds like they're being standoffish, at least with CW. Well, and apparently there was the media rating council

is the one who accredits companies like Nielsen that, you know, give the ratings and impact television. and there was a report that the MRC was weighing whether to strip Nielsen's big data plus panel accreditation or give them more time to correct several technical and methodological methodological the way they do things, that thing that they could correct. But now the MRC CEO has said a statement that they are not going to strip accreditation, their process is annual and they conduct rigorous annual audits

of the service to reaffirm the status of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And a bunch of corporate speak about, well, it could be come see, it could become saw. But this is, maybe it'll settle down, whatever. But at the same point, over the next year, especially AEW's numbers need to be better, not worse,

with all the other things going on, or we could be, you know, just in a one-horse race. Even if the second horse isn't Seed Biscuit, but an old sway-back nag, at least it's two horses. The starter's gun may shoot one of our horses, and it's named Tony. And if WBD is being shopped, you know that one of the buyers will see the streaming numbers,

even if we don't get them. And that's another thing is, with the point that I made the other day on one of the broadcasts we did. For Tony to say he doesn't know the numbers, how is he supposed to negotiate for rights fees with the streaming people if the streaming people are not

compelled, obliged to tell him how many people are streaming his fucking program? So I don't know what kind of fucking deal is going on there. Yeah, they're going to say, I wish you had a star like a Cody Rhodes, or a CM Punk. You have a vehicle with no star right now.

Yeah, that's, again, the crossovers and the cross-promotions and the, oh, this other show on our network needs a fucking actor that has done horror movies. Oh, CM Punk, or Ria Ripley, the new queen of the screen pretty soon. Whatever. They're not looking for Willow Nightingale. should Tony sign Braun Strowman then you have a package

you can go to a network with well yeah but then what match do you make besides the fact that I think the WWE probably got that fucking show done to begin with or else why they wouldn't be so prominently featured but what match would you have the entire roster versus Braun Strowman

and as can Braun Strowman fall down anymore without a part of his body falling off. I would just have him continue the eating onto dynamite. And then you could see more. He would eat the rest of the roster. You could see more of this kind of eating later on, formerly known as Braun Stromen, eats his way through America. No, that's the thing. This week, Braun Stromen will eat Mike Spitball Bailey.

See, one last thing I'll say, at least, about the ratings here. I think I've said this before, but you know, what we're looking at, the other thing we have to take into the account is this is not wrestling in a boom period. This is not wrestling where anything is really hot or uniquely taking off right now. There's not a lot of buzz beyond the everyday buzz

from wrestling fans. It's a cool period right now. So these numbers, you know, I would like to see, How would Smackdown be if things were hot? We don't know. And the same thing with dynamite. I mean, it's been forever since it was hot. I guess you could say blood and guts.

I mean, that is part of the story. Blood and guts was their biggest show in a while. And both methodologies were 8,000 away. It was approximately the same number. Yeah. You know, but nothing's in a boom period. We don't know. Again, we're looking at the numbers right now for wrestling while it's chilly.

it's chilly well and here's another thing it's not ice cold but it's not hot i know it just reminds me of nikolai volkov when he tried to be a stand-up comic i'm so cool i feel a chili uh nobody's talking about the wwee just it's not necessarily a self-inflicted wound but they hampered themselves over the past year they have changed how the fans and where the fans watched every single one of their fucking programs and disrupted all of those habits and they're still doing these numbers. The shows have made moves to where you can't

in some cases compare the new numbers with the old numbers because it's a different universe or platform, whatever the fuck. But you can't tell me that at least temporarily and maybe even permanently some people haven't stopped watching a show they used to watch because they don't get the thing now, but they might have started watching another one, but it's been a disruption. Whereas AW, for better or worse, has been on the same stations at approximately the same days and times

for the past five years, and their numbers continue to trickle downward. That's just the way it is. Again, it's very interesting that Smackdown consistently, you know, there's a chunk. There's a big difference between the one method and the other. And with dynamite, it crisscrosses at times. I mean, that's why I'm not just dismissing some people, I mean, it sounds like CW is just dismissing this entire method. But if it's not affecting, see, I wish I knew more about how it's affecting everything else and I just don't. And well, the only thing we've gotten is, well, most regular sports are doing the same or a little bit better, and most other programs aren't affected to any degree, but we need to see how that is.

How many shows that skew to the younger demographics, see, those are the shows that want to know how those were hit specifically. I don't expect it. I don't expect it to hurt the NFL. I don't. At the same time, those skewed people, the younger demographic before this new methodology, AEW was not doing as good in as it once was. Right. So this is not, everybody thinks, well, this is young people's wrestling. Well, not as much anymore.

We'll keep up on all this. We'll stay on top of everything. Brian, I have a question to ask you. You might know the answer, too. Okay. Did I ask you earlier on this program to tell me what the fuck was going on in the Arcadian Vanguard Network world this week? Or did I forget? I think you may have forgotten.

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