Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 620: I Retract My Offer

Episode Date: February 9, 2026

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite, as well as Roman Reigns & CM Punk's confrontation on WWE Raw! Plus Jim talks about Ricochet's comments about WWE, Vince McMahon's last email exchange with Vince Russo, Billy Black in SMW, and much more! Thanks to our episode sponsors: SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce HELIX:  Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 27% Off Sitewide exclusive for listeners of the Jim Cornette Experience!  RIDGE:  One thing to pack, five ways to power! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code JCE at Ridge.com/JCE #Ridgepod FACTOR: Head to factormeals.com/jce50off and use code jce50off to get 50% off and free breakfast for a year. @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Connett. The keys to the future. Helby. Onet. Convince Vince to open the fence and pay him a few pints. Plus, ricochet wins the most delusional wrestler trophy and so much more.

And joining me, not. Hawaiian Brian the podcasting line, etc., etc. he's on assignment today, back on the drive-thru in a few days, but joining me today, instead, the best-selling author, popular podcaster, and all-around Renaissance man, Brian Solomon. Hello, Brian No. 2. Hi, Jim. I'm happy to be here again in the guest position, to the joy of some and to the absolute animosity of others. To the complete misery of the listening public, you have been chosen again.

What is the guest position? What position are you in right now? I mean, I'm in a seated position, if that's what you mean. Well, it might be better if you got down on all fours for what, uh, what we're going to What do you think I am, Tristatus? Come on. Hey, come on now. Can you bark like a Brian for me?

You know, here's the thing. Even Brian Solomon and I are on a first name basis, obviously, but every time I call him, Brian, either the people who come in late on a podcast, who are these people, Or more specifically, the YouTube audience that listens to clips every time I call you Brian, then the comments, they're not listening to the goddamn subject. Brian sounds different. Is Brian sick? Or wait a minute, that's not Brian?

Why is he calling him Brian? There's only one Brian in the world, of course. So this confusion runs rampant all the time. But you know, Solomon Grundy, if I call him. I just want the folks to know that my little pet name for Brian Solomon is Solomon Grundy. If I call him Grundy folks, and of course the program, I'm trying to avoid confusion in the marketplace. Well, as an alternative, you could call me Brian second to last, if that helps. It doesn't flow.

True. Possibly just Brian almost there. or Brian almost made it, but not, I don't know. Maybe just Grundy. I do what people should never do as I read those comments on YouTube on some of those. And so I don't want to, I guess I'm just going to feed into this by saying this, but there's people on there that will say things like, hey, I didn't know that Jim had Tony Kahn on as his guest host.

Or some people thought I was Vince Rousseau. Now, which I, I mean, look, I know I'm from Brooklyn, but there's no way, I don't have an accent that's anywhere near in the universe of, the accent that he's got. No, you have, and also you know the meanings of all the words that you use and you pronounce them mostly correctly, giving your, you know, Yankee descent. But you do sound a little like Tony Kahn if Tony Kahn is played at half speed.

Because you just, you have a little bit of that tonal quality, but his, or maybe he's you played at twice speed. Now you're going to make it worse if you're even acknowledging that I sound even a little bit like him. Well, it's like if you've held Tony down and just force fed him somas for a fucking week, he might sound like you. Okay. Okay. I guess. But nobody's going to do that. I was at a pay-per-view post-scrum, whatever they call it, one of those for one of the pay-per-views. And I actually got to ask him a question. And I think that I think we talked about this. He gave me an answer that had to be the longest answer that I think he's ever

given. God bless him, but I mean, he talked for about five minutes straight. I didn't even remember what the question was anymore. And he was looking straight at me, just me, the entire time. It was a very unique experience. And for any of the listeners that don't know, and by the way, plug your program that you do here while we've, before we run them all off, let them know what you do normally as opposed to your guest spot here. Sure. I have a podcast on the Arcadian Vanguard Network shut up and wrestle. And I've got different rotating guests every week. I've had you on.

I think it was from my 100th episode. And it's wrestling history. So, I mean, there's a lot of overlap. I just don't have the wonderful panache and chemistry that you and Brian have on your show. Well, you have, you know, the chemistry set that you got when you were in Connecticut is par excellence. You know, they, you also have worked for the evil empire. in the past and have experience with a few of the people

we're going to talk about today and et cetera. But nevertheless, before we get into any kind of wrestling, just real quick, you still live up there in the Great White North. Because I'm sick and fed up with it two weeks,

more than two weeks now. We have been covered up with eight to ten inches of snow in Louisville and it hasn't been above freezing since it peaked up above freezing about two degrees, snowed another inch and went back down. And we're finally going to get allegedly melted off this week, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday is going to be all above freezing and then we'll have a giant slushy going on. But have you guys got any relief up there in the great state of Connecticut?

No, none. It's absolutely brutal. I've lived in the New York Tri-Stead area my entire life. And I can't remember the last time that there's been a prolonged, like below freezing Arctic blast that lasted this long. We got a ton of snow dumped on us and it's not going anywhere. No. It's been like there's temperatures out there that are, it's like the score of a soccer game. Or potentially Howie the mailroom guy's IQ in Stanford. Now, that's howie was a very nice man. I will not stand for that.

A very nice man. Hey, you know, people think he's just one of my figments. No. The figmentary Howie, there was really in Stanford, Howie, the mailroom guy. He was dependable. He was friendly. There was probably a number of things going on with Howie,

but he was the guy that brought everybody's mail up from the mailroom. And as I've said many times, I would nominate him for a variety of positions in wrestling. and the national political scene rather than the people that are currently in them because at least you knew what you were getting. Speaking of an old friend of ours, have you heard Linda McMahon's having some trouble?

Like everybody else to McMahon family, she's having trouble getting an audience lately. Yeah, she keeps getting her appearances canceled and actually one of them was right here near me in Fairfield in Connecticut, and it happened to be at, it was the first time it happened, it happened to be at an elementary school

that is the elementary school that my kids went to. I was very proud of my hometown, I have to say, but yeah, they just, I guess. Well, now, let me ask you this, because now the most recent one that I heard about, I think it was in Alabama where it was because of a student protest,

but was it in, the one in Connecticut up there, the parents actually started calling the school, right? Well, what the fuck? forms of what to fuck. Yeah, it was the parents. The parents were the ones in that case that complained. And I guess they thought it would be a slam dunk because this is the area that she's from. But they also have to remember that she also lost the Senate, you know, election bid on two different occasions. So just because it's your home state doesn't mean that they want you around. Well, and that was before she was a member of the current administration. And this is what

is, it would be so hilarious if it wasn't. so fucking sad and tragic for the next 10 to 20 to 30 or how many years development of our fucking country, the department or the secretary of the Department of Education by parental protest and student protest is being asked not to speak in goddamn schools. Yep. And this used to happen to, I don't know if anybody remembers her now. Now she seems like, you know, a paragon of,

of virtue, but Betsy DeVos, who was the last secretary of education that he had for his first administration, the same thing was happening because I was actually teaching high school at that time. And there was no place that wanted to touch her with a 10-foot pole. But compared to Linda, she actually seems qualified now. Well, and that's the thing is that people are just, their minds are starting to explode at to what literal incompetence have been put in a variety of the most important positions in our country. You've got an anti-vaccine lunatic. Robert F. Kennedy, in charge of the Department of Health, he's brought back measles. You've got violent criminals that were convicted in court have been pardoned, and now,

have been put in positions in like the Department of Justice and Homeland Security, etc. And now you've got a defendant, technically she's a defendant in a child sex abuse suit who has never, who got, did she got a degree in teaching French at one point 50 years ago? She's in charge of the department they wanted to shut down to begin with, the Department of Education. And the last time they had her in charge of the small business administration, which was like nominating a wolf to be in charge of the Department of Sheep. And all those small businesses, well, she did succeed. All those small businesses got a lot smaller. They certainly did.

So they evaporated. But anyway, but now it's come to this, ladies and gentlemen in the United States, before we go any further, that the secretary of the Department of Education is not welcome to speak in schools because she's, She's an idiot. And she is a pawn of the regime. Speaking of idiots and pawns in the regime, hold on, I got to get my paperwork square on this, Brian, because another, well, I don't know. Have you ever been around your friend and mine of Vince Schittstein Russo?

Have you, did your ships ever pass in a night? And if so, why didn't you lob a stink bomb onto his deck? You know, I have to say it's one of those weird things with my WWE career and everything else that I've done is that we actually never cross paths. And I knew a lot of people that worked with him because part of the reason that I got hired was that he had just jumped to WCW in the fall of 99. And, you know, he was also working on the magazine, too, as a lot of people might know. And he took some of the staff with him. And there was a whole shakeup. And they put somebody new in charge of publication.

He took some of the staff with him. It was like on a much, on a much smaller basis, it was like when Hogan left Byrne and he took like Schultz and Okerlund with him instead, Russo took two stooges from the magazine department. He did and they had to rebuild the whole magazine, Barry Werner,

who had been the New York Daily News sports editor. They had brought him in and he basically hired all this new regime at the magazines and I was one of those guys. So indirectly, I'm, you know, Vince Russo is responsible for me getting hired, but I never met him. And I will say, you know, I mean, I can't speak from experience. I never was around him. I never worked with him.

But I will just say that there were people on the magazine staff who had worked with him and in creative services and stuff. And I'm just going to say, I don't think they were particularly upset that he was gone. And I think they had a lot of PTSD in some cases from having worked with him. on the magazine and things like that. So, I mean, all I've got is secondhand, you know, third party. I can't, I can't really say anything from direct. Well, you also, then you have to thank me for your career in wrestling.

Because, you know, on the show quite a while back, over a period of time, Brian Last and I have put together that indirectly somehow that six degrees of separation or whatever, I was responsible for him myself. because I don't have you ever heard what we we put together over several different episodes where things came to light my fan club president recommended to John Arezi

who had the radio show in New York hey you ought to go to this guy that owns this video store because he'd probably sponsor you because he's a big mark and it ended up being Russo who ended up going on blah blah blah, blah. So this is like one of those complicated DC comic super villain origin stories, but you may have to indirectly thank me or curse me, whichever one is necessary. But point being, we had a bunch of people, and I thought like, has this just come out as

part of a lawsuit or something, you know, discovery? But we had a bunch of people over the last few days, send in, have you seen this exchange of emails between Vince Rousseau and Vince McMahon from 2021? And apparently old Vinny Rue has alluded to the, you know, Vince on his various statements, which you can't ever trust, so you take with grain of salt, but that Vince McMahon, the last time they were in contact, was just rude to it. him. He couldn't believe how rude he was to him and blah, blah, blah. But apparently the Guy Evans, who has written a couple of books and recently wrote Beyond

Nitro, which I guess is what happened beyond Nitro. It came out like six or eight months ago, but I don't know if this exchange is just coming to light or if people just landed on it and all sent it to us the same time. But he had recently. searched that period of time for all of these individuals and has the email exchange between Vince McMahon and Vince Rousseau from 2021 that Vinny Rue has only alluded to beforehand. Would you like to hear this, Brian? I definitely would, but I'm wondering how he got a hold of private emails. That's kind of, I mean, I haven't seen the book, but.

well i'm wondering if this was he did research for the book but is there been a lawsuit that this i'm just asking but this is however this email exchange has come to light it's it's not being disputed that it is these people well once you hear it you will you will kind of realize it's exactly these people because apparently they had had russo come in to sit down for one of the WWE documentaries. And you might, I've seen so many between dark side of the ring and the WWE stuff. He's been on a few of them, but you might remember what WWE documentary

he may have done some talking head stuff on a few years ago. I don't know. But he had been in and he's writing Vince McMahon an email. Vince, I recorded footage for a WWE doc this past. Friday. It was a great experience. Everybody involved was professional and respectful. I know how busy you are, but I do hope you get the chance to see some of my comments. I honestly have no idea what I've ever done to never hear back from you all these years. While I'm not looking for a job, all I ever wanted to do was help out in any way I can.

Peace to you and your family. And apparently then Vince McMahon emails back. you haven't done anything objectionable at all, Vince, peace to your family as well. Now, that's said, that's that one line Vince email acknowledging, I've received your message, and I have given you no information to work on whatsoever except we're all cool, right? It's non-committal. Rousseau then emails, because that's kind of like the end of the conversation also with Vince McMahon normally, isn't it? Of course, yeah, I mean, that's his way of saying, okay, we're done here, Yeah.

Peace to your family. Vince Russo emails back. I'm very glad to hear that. Vince, I'd like to see if I can extend my services to you. He just said, I'm not looking for a job. All I ever wanted to do was help out. I'm very glad to hear that. Vince, I'd like to see if I can extend my services to you.

We're both getting older. Is that the last thing? Vince McMahon wanted to fucking hear. He didn't figure that all those years. He didn't figure that out. And I just always felt a sense of unfinished business between us. At this point in my life, I just want to give back to the fans, the industry, your company, your family, and you.

I've been watching Rawl Weekly for over seven years now. God damn, no wonder he's a maniac. Part of my job as a professional podcaster is to observe it, critique it and discuss what I would have done differently. I watch the show from the perspective of a casual fan slash television viewer because that's the perspective in which I always watched it. Or if you're pitching to the one of the NBA teams, you want a job as the coach, which is I've always looked at basketball

from the stands like a mark. I look at myself as the masses. And I study what would the product need to produce to get my viewership on a weekly basis. I fully believe that in any consultant role, I could be of great value to you. I could work directly with you, even if it meant just sending in my thoughts, ideas,

and insights on a weekly basis. However, you think I would be most suitable in adding my 30 years of insight, knowledge, and experience to your company and product, hope you give it some consideration. I'd love to hear your thoughts. Vince McMahon writes back. Yes.

The only way I'm going to know if you can help us is for you to offer ideas or critique the show for a couple of weeks. This is not offering you a job. It gives me some ideas as to potential contributions. Unquote. Are you ready for Vince Rousseau's reply to this instead of just waiting to watch the show for a couple of a couple of weeks put some paperwork together and in sending Vince a presentation. I am waiting to hear. He doesn't send back any criticisms or critiques or ideas or whatever.

He replies immediately or soon after. Vince, the success when I worked for you came with the shift of going from traditional wrestling to mirroring society at the time. Through characters and storylines, we made everything we did seem entirely realistic. Oh, wow. That's why casual fans bought it. Well, you always take a cement truck to a fucking Corvette. That's why casual fans bought into it by the millions. It was television show based in reality, and they were hooked.

It had something for everybody. It was must-see TV. We've come full circle. Over the past 20 years, the WWE is once again veered away from that. Today, as a television viewer, I'm seeing a straight-up wrestling show, really a house show. If I'm not into straight up long, continuous wrestling matches, I'm not going to watch the,

he's talking about the WWE program under Vince. Right, right. Long, continuous straight up, we all remember under the Vince era, he'd tell everybody, go 30 minutes. I'm not going to watch the show. It's that simple. Remember our pre-tapes,

how we would leave the arena, find unique backstage spots, We made everything look and appear different within our own show. That kept it fresh. That's why you've experienced a drop in viewership. The only ones watching are the hardcores. They'll always watch. Apparently not.

You need to get those casuals back. Vince, you trusted me once. It all begins and ends with reality. Because, again, Vince Frus has always been known for presenting a completely legitimate realistic, real product that you couldn't possibly tell was the work. I've known plenty of old ladies that gave birth to hands, didn't you?

It all begins, it ends with reality. This approach will bring the casuals back slowly but surely 100% guaranteed. Tony Kahn doesn't have a clue how to do this. A.W. is a wrestling company.

They'll only draw wrestling fans and not all of those. WWE is a television conglomerate. You need to once again draw and welcome in the masses. In formatting, Vince, this week you went to commercial break twice promoting two matches that no casual fan would ever care about. Oh, my God.

You gave the viewer the opportunity to change the channel, and they did. MLB playoffs and Monday night football were on. You really need to get back to the strong hooks going into commercial breaks to ensure that you bring the viewers back. Did he have AI do this? Or was there AI back then? Or is he just artificially intelligent?

Did you say this was 2021? 2021. I mean, this is not even reflective of what they were doing. I mean, they were actually doing pretty well. They were starting to really heat up around that time. Well, besides that, it's just generic Gaga. It's, yes, you need to hook the people going to break. Imagine that.

Thanks for the tip. Thanks for the tip. These matches set up with weak hooks, turn them away. I know the formula to help bring back the masses. I knew it then. I know it now. I will look at this week's raw and send you an assessment with some ideas. Okay, so if Vince even, McMahon even made it through that whole goddamn thing,

he's left it as, okay. I'll look at this week's raw and send you some ideas. and Vince has instructed him to do that. Apparently, Vince doesn't get back to him. Wow. Okay. So Russo follows up with another email. Is this a way for me to watch the show for two weeks, put all my time and energy into writing these detailed reports,

and then for you to turn around and say, ah, Vince, I really don't see anything here. so in your head you can justify that the attitude error was you and not me? Boy, that escalated quickly. Yeah, this is like fatal attraction kind of thing going on. That's what he can't get out of his own way and never has, that he thinks that he was the genius behind oxygen and everything. And he's gobsmacked that people do not recognize this,

that he's spent a long time trying to illustrate it to him. But anyway, the last email or last communication in this chain, and which according to Vince Rousseau, the two apparently have never communicated since, Vince McMahon said, that was a long time ago, and I have no idea if you can do it now. We're in a PG format.

Things and people change. you have a very high opinion of yourself and a ton of failure at WCW and bear in mind Vince McMahon at that point I guarantee you had never seen anything Vince Russo had done in TNA no but you're goddamn T.

But there were right but there were people as you know that used to report to him that would watch the stuff like Howard Finkel Oh yes but I mean he didn't think that it was in any way worthy of mentioning that he also flunked out in T and A. No, he's just like a ton of failure

at WCW. That burn it right there. Vince McMahon continues, I retract my offer to show me your suggestions for two weeks. If I were you, I would have jumped for an opportunity like that. That tells me all I need to know, no need to discuss anymore. I wish you will, Vince. Thanks for considering.

Wow. I'm cringing if you can. There's no video, but I'm cringing. You do. Who has ever talked to Vince McMahon like, oh, he's you and not me, pal? Well, the big mistake there, again, like I'm just underlining this.

I don't know the man, but just from knowing Vince, working with Vince and listening to this, is he starts to talk to him like he is a peer. You know what I mean? Like he's trying to speak to him like an equal, like they're like, they're, you know, like they're a team, like they're Lenin and McCartney or, you know, Rogers

and Hammerstein or something. And that is not how you should, even if you think that, that's not the way to approach Vince. Especially when you're sitting at home alone waiting by the phone, motherfucker, and this guy is still the biggest businessman in the fucking only field you've ever had any fucking degree of financial success in. You don't say, well, you know, Vince, we did it 20 years ago. Yeah, what have you done in the last 20 years? And I'm a fucking billionaire is what Vince McMahon is thinking. And again, for people who are going to say, oh, now they're both taking up for Vince

McMahon. Anyway, he talked down. Of course he talked down to people. We've never said he didn't. We're not taking up for him. But we is reporting the facts as what existed. But here's the thing, Brian, you know. The secret word that Vince McMahon sent back to Vince Rousseau

is the one he's used on every wrestler, every person that he's ever done in the last 45 years he ever did business with. Opportunity. I gave you an opportunity. Is that one thing, in your opinion, from being around him, if you have shit the bed with your chances of success, if he believes he's given you an opportunity at anything at fucking announcing, at wrestling,

at fucking designing costumes, whatever, and you half-assed it or didn't take advantage of it. Yeah, that is the thing he would always say. Like, I'm going to give you an opportunity. I can't promise you X, Y, Z, but I can promise you an opportunity. And I definitely heard that. But I think also what's part of this, too, is I think you were there, you were around when, tell me,

if you remember this, they actually did rehire him for like a split second, like in 2001. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah, yes. Because I heard the news today. Oh, boy.

No, I had heard that and I've what in the, and by the time I had to say, what to fuck, he was already out because somewhere or another he got to Vince and gave him a pitch. and Vince was pissed off at the, I think it's Stephanie, because Stephanie was in charge of the writing team at that point

or about ready to be, wasn't she? She was, yeah, and that's part of it, because I heard a story too about it. Well, but then tell me details, but his mind, the same thing is that he wanted to shake them up and bring some new conflagration into things and agree to give Russo, you know, a chance to come in and they universally all mutinied and said,

we will not work with this fucking guy after they heard what two hours of his ideas. But do you have details behind any of that? Yeah, I do. And I remember at the time, did you used to get the, because I think you were in OVW at that time, right? Yes.

Okay, this was about, I think it was about O2, because Hogan was there and he comes into this. But did you used to get the company-wide emails that would go out? Would they come to you? Oh, No, because I didn't have email.

Okay, there you go. Well, you're lucky because here's the thing. I didn't give a plug of Connecticut was still on the map at that point. Well, on that day, out of the blue, there was a company-wide email that went out, and it said we'd like to announce that effective immediately. Vince Rousseau will be in charge of WWE creative, blah, blah, blah, something to that effect. And you could just hear the sounds of about 400 people's head exploding in Titan Tower. hour. I mean, we all had our jaws. As you know, I was in the publications department. I'm not

exactly in the nerve center or anything, but we had our jaws hanging open. We're looking at each other. And like, is this a joke? Is it April 1st? And I remember I worked for Shane. So I happen to see Shane. I think it was in the cafeteria or something. And he just had the shitting and grin on his face because I think he just enjoyed the chaos. That was one thing about Shane. And I looked at him and I said, what is this all about? And he goes, oh, it's going to be great. Yeah, it's going to be great because also, you know, he had his issues with Triple H and Stephanie. Right, right. And he's just beaming. Oh, it's going to be great. Yeah, we can't wait to have him. I said, well, and one of the things I said, you know, doesn't he have a lawsuit right now with with Hulk Hogan?

Because that was going on. And Hogan had just come back and was getting the big push. And he goes, yeah, don't worry about that. That's going to go away. We're going to take care of that. There's not going to be any lawsuit. But then what I heard was this, and I think it all happened within the span of maybe a day. I really think it was in the course of a day. So I will say this now because he's not with us anymore. And he was a dear friend on the magazine. And I know you know him, but Dennis Brent. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So Dennis, who had also been friendly with Rousseau over the years because Dennis had worked on the magazines. Well, Dennis also was friendly with everybody. I don't want people to think ill of him by saying he liked that son of a bitch. No, Dennis was just the nicest guy in the world. Right. And God rest of his soul, he liked everybody.

And he got along with everyone. So this was a story that he. told us that was told to him supposedly directly from Rousseau himself that what had happened was they basically, Vince was all about it, all on board, Vince McMahon. He brought Rousseau to the tower. You know, they had a big meeting one on one in the conference room. They were just, they were best pals again, talking about this and that. And then, and then he said something to the effect of like, well, I'm just going to, now I'm going to bring in Hunter and Stephanie. So we could all, the four of us, kind of hash this out and talk some ideas because, you know, Stephanie's in charge of creative

now and you might be working with her, blah, blah, blah. So they bring them in and I don't know what went on in there, but one thing I know is apparently Hunter and Stephanie, as you can imagine, especially Stephanie, they did not want him there. I mean, this was her chance, you know, the last thing she wants is for Russo to come back. So they have this talk and then Vince McMahon says, okay, Vince, can you just step outside now? I just want to talk to Hunter and Stephanie alone. And, you know, where that's going. And so Rousseau steps out of the room, some time goes by.

And Vince McMahon now walks out a few minutes later, alone by himself. Very sober expression. And Rousseau comes over to him and says something like, they buried me in there, didn't they? And Vince goes, yep, yep, they sure did. and essentially that was the end of it because Vince decided at that point to side with them, that he didn't want, you know, to, I guess he didn't want to create that much of a nightmare. And he, I guess they had pleaded their case to the degree that he said, this is not going to work. And it was over within the course of about one day, maybe two.

Well, and of course, with all respect to Dennis Brent and his version, but possibly where he heard it from, there had already been a meeting of the people, whoever was on a creative team at that point, it wasn't like this giant, you know, medieval fucking roundtable like it is today, but there was several people. They had already made their feelings known to Stephanie, so it's not like she was going to ignore the people

that were all voicing the same opinion she had. So those were all represented. Yes, no, that's true. I think it was just sort of, of this unanimous negativity towards it. And I think Vince realized the nattering nabobbs of negativity.

I think Vince McMahon realized that he was going to have almost close to a mutiny on his hands and he just decided it wasn't worth it. Yeah. But at the same time, you bet that that creative team got a little fucking fired up

and wanting to come in earlier or stay later. Just to, you know, make sure that these things didn't happen again, which is possibly what Vince McMahon's ultimate goal was in his, it is game of human chess. You know what? The problem is, as we've illustrated before, and we'll put a bowtile on this particular topic, it's always, I don't want a job, bro. I don't want a job, bro. I'm just telling you, bro. And then you say, well, what about give me a job, bro?

and I'll tell you more, bro. It's always, it's been that way. It's sad at this point. I feel almost guilty about wiping my feet on this guy anymore because he's become so pathetic. And we've established again. He's fucking, he's my age.

I believe he's a little bit older. A little bit older now. Just fucking retire, stay home. speak your speaking but no it's it's it's it's done you know the thing is though brian solomon i guess the biggest problem is is that he still needs to eat because he hasn't he hasn't figured out a way yet not to eat even though he looks malnourished every time i seen he's still got to go out and buy food and only a short 18 months of success and a brilliant 30-year career is not going to pay for a lot of food.

So he's got to continue to pay for his food. What about if we give him an opportunity, Solomon Grundy, to save money on food, do you think we can get rid of Russo in the public eye? If we get his food for half price, do you think he'll go away? I mean, it's worth a try. I'd be surprised that you'd be that magnanimous towards him after all these years. But I can understand why. Well, it's not going to be me.

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I got an email question from one of the culticorinet members to people out there the other day. And it's not here in front of me, but I'm going to paraphrase it. Brian Solomon, as I speak to you here while Brian last is on assignment, we've talked on the show here before about I was disappointed when the angle between the Midnight Express and Tully Blanchard, Narn Anderson and Crockett 88, that didn't come to fruition because right after we'd started it, making those big checks and drawing those big houses, they got mad at Dusty and went to the WWF.

I've mentioned that, but this question was specifically, what did I ever book? One of the things that I booked, because Dusty was booking that, obviously. What did I ever book that for whatever reason I didn't get to finish, it didn't come to fruition, or I just, you know, golly, gee, I wish what could have been type of thing, right? So I mean, I've told stories about in OVW, it was constant with, oh, we need this guy, or we're pulling that guy, or we shaved this guy's head or, you know, whatever the fuck, right? So those kind of blur. And I've mentioned the story before about when I put to Smoky Mountain Wrestling heavyweight title on Jake the snake,

and grasping for a top heel and ended up having to take it off of him in a fictitious match in Bluefield, West Virginia or whatever the fuck we said. But another one just actually had crossed my mind and it's been so long since I told this story publicly that I'm wondering if it predates me and Brian even doing this podcast.

and do you remember a tag team from All Japan Wrestling, worked for Giant Baba, an American team in the early 90s, outlawed Joel Deaton and bad boy Billy Black, the Wild Bunch. I do, I am familiar, yes. And Joel Deaton had been a guy, he was from Georgia. He had broke in in the 80s. He had worked for Crockett. Remember the team in the 80s of the Thunderfoot's, Thunderfoot 1 and Thunderfoot 2?

It was it was him and Gene Liggin for a lot of that. They were masked and had the loaded boot, the Thunderfoot. It was dusty again. Yes. But then he, Joel was a good-sized guy and had got to be a good worker. And with a Western gimmick, outlaw Joel Dieton, kind of think a heel, Sam Houston, but heavier. he had teamed up with a guy that was again from South Georgia named bad boy Billy Black. And this guy out of nowhere, nobody really knew anything about him until he started going to Japan with Joel.

Baba was using American teams. The fantastics were going over. They had great matches. But Deaton and Black would work with the Japanese guys. And Billy Black was doing it. This is 1991, 92, we'd do a moonsault in Japan off the top turnbuckle out on a guy on the floor, like Jimmy Del Rey used to do in the ring, just over backwards in some fashion. He could also work because he had trained down south and he could throw a punch.

And he didn't have any body to speak of, but he's, was he six feet tall or close enough, 5-10. He was probably 2.25 or so. Long hair. He looked kind of like a real redneck Ronnie Van Zand. But the point is, and he's doing the junior heavyweight shit, even though he's good size, as A. Lola used to say, when the guy tries to back drop him, he back flips over the guy and lands on his feet and super kick but he could also as I said he could work he can do all this shit and I'm like what the fuck so when we started Smoky Mountain wrestling I had known Joel Dieton so we were having the tag team tournament and I said you know would you guys come up and make my television show and be in the tournament and I can't remember what we even did but they did they were very

you know very good and and worked hard and I think they had two or three matches whatever it was but their primary spot was going to Japan six times a year, so I couldn't really use them regular, right? So anyway, fast forward a couple of years. Now, and this is what, if you would try to Google on YouTube, bad boy Billy Black wrestler, because I did this when I thought of him, and there's almost nothing.

there's like one match of theirs in all Japan that I can find where he's doing all this stuff and one match from Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which I'll get into it a second, but something had happened where they were not, they lost their Japanese gig. And they weren't going to Japan anymore. And again, so the Armstrongs, those guys who were working for me, worked in Georgia Independence also, and somehow his name came up as he, give me his fucking phone. number, bad boy Billy Black. And I had this idea for it.

And let me, you can just throw up a fucking, hey, whenever you have found any results on YouTube, and then I can continue this in a moment. Yeah, I've got some, I mean, there's some Billy Black matches and things I'm seeing. I'm not seeing anything with Deaton and him. Well, see, that's the thing. It's almost there's almost nothing.

Nobody has thought of this guy in so long. Yeah. But he was at the time people, the insiders were talking about him. And I called him. I said, look, I got a gimmick. And this gets to the point of answering the question, what did you book that you had hopes for that didn't come to fruition? I said, here's this fucking guy from South Georgia

that looks like a 230-pound redneck Ronnie. Van Zant that can fucking throw a punch but can talk and can also goddamn wrestle let's fucking bring him up and here he is from I can't remember what part of Georgia we made him from but in South Georgia everybody thinks of in Florida it's their swamp land but in South Georgia

there's one of the biggest areas of swamp land in the United States and I wanted bad boy Billy Black from whatever the fuck Oki-Finoki, fucking Georgia to come in with his swamp bag. He's got a big burlap sack like Jake would carry the snake, right?

Right. But just this big dirty burlap sack and here comes his hairy fucking redneck. It looks bodywise like shit. And then he gets in the ring and he does all this shit. He flips around, does this super kick, throws this fucking punch, moonsaults this fucking guy.

And he beats the job guys like that, but then he works with the top guys. And once we get him established, and this is where it was going until it didn't go there, once we get him established, then every time he's in a match with a top guy, like a Tracy Smothers or Dirty White Boy or whatever the case, he goes in that bag and he gets, and I'm doing an homage to the old Twilight Zone episode, what you need about the street peddler that always has the exact item

that a fucking guy needs or a person needs in order to save themselves from tragedy. You remember that one, Brian, I'm sure. Of course. Well, every time that Billy Black would get in trouble, he would go in his swamp bag and pull something different out that he knew whether there's a brass knuckles that knocked the guy out or was a rope to tie the baby face

to the fucking ropes or whatever. and they would use the bag. Maybe if the baby face got in the bag one time, oh, Jesus Christ, he'd come out selling and there's a fucking bear trap on his goddamn arm. Whatever, and you could do all kinds of things with this dirty, fucking smelly swamp bag and this fucking guy who looked like that

who could work like that, right? So I bring him up to do one TV taping and Smoggy Mountain where we're doing four weeks of TV in that night. and I give him a couple of wins. I put the beat the champ TV title on it, right? Which there wasn't even really a belt. It was the ongoing, if you win, you're the TV champion,

and if you win six weeks in a row, you get the cash money and blah, blah, blah. But it's something to focus on him. And I let him cut to promos. And yeah, that's right, I'm here, and I'm about this whole nine yards. And then I said, okay, now you're booked from now on starting, I think it was in 10 days from then. in Knoxville and then that weekend and all the shows from now on, you're booked, Billy.

Oh, this is great. It is great because he's never been on TV of any kind in the United States. He's been a phenomenon in Japan and nobody else knows who the fuck he is. I've very well here, you know, I've discovered someone. And the next week he comes to Knoxville and he works the house show. And then I believe this was January. It might have been February. but 95.

But I told the guys, I said, now make sure you all leave for Barberville, Kentucky early tomorrow. Barberville is like 90 miles from goddamn Morristown. Maybe it was 100 miles from Knoxville. You go up the interstate, blah, whatever. It's 10 miles off the interstate. I said, make sure you leave early for Barberville tomorrow because it's supposed to be two or three inches of snow.

Everybody, okay, okay. Next day, Billy Black don't show up. What the, where the fuck is he gone? Next day, I think we did something or whatever the fuck it was. He didn't show up. So I call him that Monday, he's at home. I said, where the fuck did you go? Oh, man, I'm a Georgia boy.

I've never seen snow like that. I didn't want to get up in Kentucky mountains and get caught in the snow. I said, what did it? it was three inches of snow. The fucking town is 10 miles off the interstate. I said, we ran goddamn, I came back, me and Brian Hildebrand, came back from Beckley, West Virginia one time,

in a foot of fucking snow back to East Tennessee. It took us eight hours. Goddamn, but nevertheless, I see, you, what? I said, you, he said, yeah, I was scared I get stuck in the snow. I said, well, from now on, the only thing you got to worry about is getting stuck in the quicksand in the swamp, because you don't need to come back. And that was all we ever saw of Billy Black. Well, I did. There is a video here that I found.

This is from that run, I'm guessing, says March 4th, 1995 beat the champ TV title match, bad boy Billy Black versus Boo Bradley. Okay, then it was March. There you go. Well, actually, yeah, it was, no, it may still have been February because we had four weeks of TV with him in the fucking can. Oh, there you go. Son of a bitch, I choke you. But nevertheless, the fucking point is he had that opportunity. How many guys in 1995 from Smoky Mountain Wrestling got opportunities to work in the WWF from,

Sonny to Candido, to Al Snow, to Glenn Jacobs, to the heavenly bodies, to a goddamn variety of other people that made the connection. Delo ended up there, the headbangers ended up there. I haven't thought about him in 30 years, but now that I think about it, I can't believe that he just fucking flaked on that. and now when you search, this is the point I was going to make when I was trying to find, well, what did he ever do after that?

You see stuff from like 1998 or 99 or whatever of him in a rec center in Georgia somewhere in front of 200 people. Looks like he's gained 30 pounds. And that's it. And a guy with that much potential and that much talent. And he just, I don't know what the fuck he was doing in his real life because that wasn't what he's doing for a living. Well, the first two videos on YouTube that come up are exactly what you're talking about.

So there's one that says bad boy, Billy Black and Kodiak versus the Showtime Posse, which is, and then I guess not the Codiac bear, who I knew from Northeast Indies, but underneath it says Benefit Show, Cicomk, Macs. Massachusetts American Legion post number 311. And that's from the year 2000. And, you know, it looks like there's like about 15 people there. But then the one underneath it, this is interesting. It says July 23rd, 2011. Georgia Championship Wrestling, I'm assuming not the same Georgia Championship Wrestling. It's Tommy Wildfire Rich and Tony Atlas versus Bad Boy Billy Black and Steve the Brawler Lawler.

Wow. And at that point, Billy Black would have still been the youngest guy in the ring. What year was that? 2011. 2011, Tommy Rich debuted in 1975. He was 18 years old. Tony Atlas started, I think, in 74, and was he 19? And Steve, the brawler, Lawler, was working in the late 70s down there and had to be a legal adult.

So, but the point is that he just, he disappeared and never made anything of any other opportunity, apparently. So, but here's the, here's the rib. I don't know if you ever heard this. Were you reading the newsletters in the mid-90s? No, no, I started in 2000 when I was working at WWA. Okay. But I was hearing a lot of the stuff on hotlines and things. Well, but here's the thing.

Brian Hildebrand was responsible for being the person who would phone all the results, or not phone or facts or communicate all of the results of our matches to the various major newsletters because we were trying to drum up publicity and we could sell our fucking VHS tapes in the mail, which we were doing.

And he tried to explain, I don't know if it was to Wade Keller who did the torch or it might have been Uncle Dave but they're like where did this Billy Black go because they get to VHS as too and they're like oh yeah we like that what the fuck happened to this guy

and he tried to tell the story that I just told about Billy Blacknot wouldn't get trapped in the mountains of Kentucky in this big giant snowstorm but either however he told it or however they heard it the story went around all the newsletters

that fucking Billy Black had left the territory because he was scared of Al Snow. I found something absolutely insane here, which this is on YouTube also, and it's from 1996. So this would be around the time you're talking about. September 3rd, 1996, All-Star Wrestling, handheld camera footage,

Billy Black versus Wahoo McDaniel. and this is on Roy Luscher's YouTube page where he posts a lot of really obscure stuff Wahoo McDaniel So there you go He was still both of them still out there doing stuff Hey I wonder if Billy Black is still around

I know Al Snow looks Jesus Christ he's all jacked up these days I wonder if we could finally book that match For the 13 newsletter fans That remember that fucking rumor But that was again he left because he was afraid of Al Snow. So for anybody, I'll open up the floor to the cult of Cornette.

If anybody knows whatever the fuck happened of Billy Black. And what was in that swamp bag? Because we never got to find out. Speaking of people who are apparently in the bag, I don't know, or apparently mentally delusional. Brian Solomon, Solomon Grundy, have you have you been following our

our friend the social media maven ricochet on the interwebs when he's been doing his interviews and fight with everybody on Twitter? I have. Yes, I have, unfortunately. Yeah. You know, here's the thing. It would be brilliant

and I would applaud it if this had been a strategy for him to make himself the biggest heel in wrestling and some kind of Brian Pilman loose cannon type of gimmick if he had gone in that direction with it but instead he is over the past however long he's been on Twitter

since he's been at AEW made himself such a dislikable whiny bitch to the only fan base it really knows who the fuck he is, the internet fans, that he's shot himself in both feet and his left testicle, hadn't he? Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you can't really defend it. And I'll just say one thing. I'll say one thing because I'm, you know, I'm,

I try not to wade into these waters too much. I want to just say that Samantha Irvin, I really like her. She's very nice. I, you know, we've interacted online. I think she's great. and I'm a fan. However, you can, Rick-Achet, I will say, the guy is his own worst enemy. I mean, I guess that's the best way to put it, because you see people on Twitter a lot

or on social media, they just don't know when not to talk, you know? They don't know when not to respond, not to acknowledge, not to engage, because you have to have the self-awareness to know how it makes you look. And it doesn't make him look good. And in the beginning, I really was on the fence as to whether he was just working. And he was trying to play into that, you know, make himself as healish as can be. But I don't think that's what he's doing. No, I don't think that's what he's doing.

No. Well, he did an interview on a world famous show of some description where he was complaining about his WWE tenure on the rock. and that they were going to make him, you know, the big teenage idol with the flashy moves, and Vince, I'm sure, shot it down. And he's never, he's never forgotten it. And I've got a quote here, because I think this explains maybe why this guy didn't work in a goddamn major league professional environment. I think for specifically that five years that he was languished there.

Ricochet's story, he speaks about himself in a third person, Rickashay's story, that time was kind of like being, you've seen the Marvel movies, Phanos snaps, and there was a five-year blip of people that were just gone. I literally think that's how I put Rickettschay's wrestling career. That five years that was like being blipped away into a different universe, coming to AEW and finding that love, it's like when Tony Stark finally defeated Thanos

and all the people came back. He lives in a comic book. He's a 30-something-year-old adult, I can't say grown, but adult man of diminutive size who wants to be a comic book character. And so, Here was one of the tweets, and then I want to discuss philosophy, if nothing else,

but he says, they took my love of pro wrestling away. I'll never forget how I felt walking into work every week. And that platform was only to make others look good at my expense. And I told them I'd rather quit and go back to the Indies and make whatever I'd make there than to come back next week. And here's the follow-up. many discovered me at a time where my talents and legacy

were being taken advantage of by a company that didn't really care about me. However, more people have been following me since before WWE and appreciate what they know I can bring and what I can do. They no longer want to watch WW, whatever the fuck. He's glorifying and this is what the his supporters online of the people who like that kind of thing

they saw he was so great in pwg and in lucia underground he was so great and then they destroyed his legacy in wwee and grunde i say this to you i've i've quit over being misused by a particular promotion when stan lane and i walked out of wcw that was the exact crux of the of the problem, but not because we weren't being allowed to have fantastic match. We were still having great matches. We were just losing all of them.

And unlike Mr. Rickashay, we had a track record, a legitimate track record in that very self-same company of drawing money, of drawing television ratings, of selling pay-per-view, et cetera. for quite a long period of time before that period of misuse and abuse that we went through. So I understand the concept of, well, goddamn, I'll take my business elsewhere. If you're a top name and you believe you can,

but this guy was a main event guy in PWG and Lucha Underground and then goes to the WWE and looks at the roster around him and can't figure out and also with apparently with this personality can't figure out why the boss doesn't think he's a main event guy

and can't hang and can't figure out why he might be getting heat behind the scenes. Your thoughts from a person who has seen many of these things happen. Well, one thing is he also said something else in one of those tweets that you didn't mention and it was the one that got me the most of all of them. He said at some point, they put the intercontinental title on me because they knew I didn't

want it. Did you see? That's, I'm sorry. That's crazy. That's crazy talk. I mean, because we all know if they're, if they want to bury you and if they want to misuse you or whatever, they have ways of doing it. And that's not one of the ways.

You know what I mean? They'll, they'll find a way to. either keep you off TV or put you on TV doing ridiculous stuff. And, you know, he was kind of, I guess, trying to say that they put the title on him because it was a way of like getting him to stick around maybe longer than he wanted to. Oh, yeah, because well, he said he asked for his release so they put the Intercontinental title on you. But he also tweeted, even when I was IC and U.S. champ, they meant nothing.

and also, I'd argue El Generico has a better legacy than Sammy Zane. Oh, my God. Well, what's the fact? So, I mean, I don't really know what he wants then because, like you said, size-wise, obviously he's not going to be the main event. He's going to be a special attraction, like a high-flyer kind of thing, you know, throw him in the mix. They're giving him these mid-card titles.

And then on top of that, look, he even got what I thought was a really great kind of like viral moment with Logan Paul. Do you remember that where they, I've never seen anything like it. They leaped at each other from opposite turnbuckles. Oh, yes, the double leap. Yeah, I mean, that was pretty amazing. And that made the rounds. And you get the sense that if he was the kind of person that could play ball a little more,

that they would have done more. You know what I mean? Sometimes you see people, I know this way better than I do. You see people where you go, this guy's got some talent. This guy has some thing on the ball. here. And if nothing's happening with him or he's not where it seems like he should be, there's definitely some something going on. There's some reason. It's either, again, from my perspective of experience with being in creative and dealing with talent, it's either the 80-20

principle where the 20% of the talent takes up 80% of your time or they just won't fucking listen. and apparently I believe this guy fits into either at least the last category because this is what he's thinking he's the profession he's in and he's in that profession now where he is but PWG was a vanity project where several of the boys got together out in Los Angeles there are the suburbs of thereabouts and said let's do our own let's put on our own shows hey kids we've got our own barn over here and they would bring all their friends in to do all their spots

and take all their bumps and do all their comedy and what 10 or 12 times a year they would sell 400 tickets in a goddamn city of 10 million people and but that was the place where they all went to have artistic freedom which is why the shit never ended. And that's where they learned all this shit. And the buccaroos were patient zeros of that thing.

And that crowd liked him. And Lucha Underground, besides the fact that he was, you might not remember, but I said this on the program a while back when he came to AEW, I'd have put a mask on his fucking ass. and that's what he was.

I didn't know it. He was a masked guy in Lucha Underground. Yeah, Prince Puma, I think. Prince Puma, who was, for, again, was better than once they took the mask off of him and let him start speaking to people not only on television, but also on Twitter, he's become a big goddamn douchebag. He was kind of cool that way, but still, it was Lucha Underground. This was a sci-fi television show with,

wrestling matches in it. They had murders and teleportations and whatever the fuck. And this is in no way where any of these people fucking stars of any consequence of professional wrestling. And he goes into WWE, obviously, we can see now, thinking, well, I need to be the guy around here because I can do the 880 degree cannonball. What the f f. Well, they let him, they let him keep his name too, which was, I thought, unusual. I mean, because he'd been wrestling as ricochet already. And you remember he had that, do you remember when he had that match with Will Osprey years ago before?

Oh, God, yes. And Vader just lost his mind on it and was complaining. Right? I had several comments to make about it also, but I liked mine better than Leon's, but nevertheless, it was just, it's ridiculous where they were doing the, the mirror routine, like Harpo Marx and fucking Lucy where they're mirroring each other's movements and it was an aggressive parkour

as Brian last calls it. But that's the point with this guy. I can understand if you had had a track record, if AEW had brought in CM Punk and instead of to big fanfare they had booked him in the middle in one of the interchangeable groups

or a member of the Dark Order, then yeah in that case that's a guy who said no you do what fuck you i'm done here we'll see you later because i have a track record and i've been a proven attraction and a proven draw and i need to be in the main events and featured by full potential but this guy was that's what they wanted him to be was a that's why they probably kept the name ricochet because it's a cool name for a kid's character that you can see every once in a while. He's Cheetah in the Tarzan movie. And he thinks he has some kind of legacy because he did a lot of cool shit.

By the way, 10 years ago, and he was a lot younger, he did a lot of cool cartwheels and roundoffs in shows that nobody fucking saw. And then if he had the attitude, that this illustrates that he had in the WWE, that's why they were like, this fucking guy. And also, look at the roster that he was on and the competition he had for people who would take production, take training, take criticism, take instruction,

and work like a fucking professionalist instead of a goddamn pinball game. Well, I didn't really appreciate until after the, fact until now how much, I guess, heat he had when he was there or how much he was sort of resented because I guess in the wake of him putting all these tweets out, there were people that were posting videos that I don't even remember seeing. I don't know if you saw there was one where he's in the ring with Drew McIntyre and Baron Corbyn. You know what I'm talking about? Does this ring a bell? No. Okay. So but here's the thing. It was a promo segment and you could just

feel it. Like, I've watched enough of these things. You know when these things turn real and they kind of get, they kind of go off script. And so ricochet's the face and he's confronting McIntyre and Corbyn. And he says something like, he's in the middle of a promo, Rikishay. And he goes, he goes, look, I didn't come out here to talk. And very quickly, cutting him off immediately, McIntyre goes, so shut up. And. And, The thing is, Corbin just starts to chuckle, and you could tell he's not that good of an actor. He's, he's really, he's breaking, he's chuckling. And the look on poor Rickashay's face, it was such a look of like, deer in the headlights, like, why did you just do that to me? Like, I am absolutely exposed out here, just this very sad, he had this very sad, defeated expression on his face. And you could tell that they just humiliated him. And I, you know, when you watch that now, you think, okay, this is a guy who probably didn't have a lot of friends backstage. Well, but that's, it's the thing also is that because this subculture of the, you know, trampoline cowboy wrestling fan that led to the brief flaming comet that was the young bucks and all this whole type of thing, they built him up.

And these little bitty rinky dink promotions he was in built him up as being a. big thing and a big deal oh you're the greatest at you know at the 880 degree cannonball you just do it better than anybody and if he was if that's the kind of business he wanted to be in that he wasn't going to work in the w w anyway if he wasn't willing to use his talent to do actual wrestling as opposed to this foolishness but he unlike almost anybody else or anybody else in the history of the wrestling business has basically found a multi-million dollar version of PWG.

It's a hey kids, let's put on a show promotion with a billionaire who will pay guys who can't generate television ratings who cannot sell tickets to live shows who cannot fucking be featured on pay-per-view and make a difference and who are even disliked

even by a lot of the fucking core, hardcore wrestling fans just because he's such a douchy dip shit. But he gets to go out there and do his phony shit and his bad promos and act like a big time wrestler and make a fortune at it. So, of course, he's going to knock the last company he was with because they wouldn't let him play on company time. But this is the kind of, this is the way of, this is the way of, a lot of these guys look at the wrestling business these days.

And that's why it's so hard sometimes some of the people that don't fit. And of course, the WWE ain't perfect. We all know that. But if you want to be a star on a major level in today's environment, that's where you got to go. Or as I always wonder, why does anybody want to do this shit anymore? the only people we get into the fucking business are the people that want to do the flippy shit

because they somehow seem to be the marquisest but it there's a it's a long way to the top if you want to rock and roll and it's a long way from selling 400 tickets in a city of 10 million people for a boys Mark Vanity Project to actually being able to do something on a national television stage for a billionaire boys

Mark Project. Well, in that case, let me ask you this. Given what he was saying about WWE and how he felt there and how it was going and now given how he's being presented in AEW and I'm sure the money, would you say that he made the right choice or not doing what he did? Well, God, yes. Because again, Tony's going to pay him whatever he paid him. Remember when he came into AEW

who was supposed to be a game changer? Oh, here's the latest game changer. But Tony's going to pay him all this money, whether he works or not. If he gets hurt, he gets paid. If he just gets taken off TV because Tony can't figure out what to do, he gets paid. He can do his own matches.

That's the problem. That's why he's gotten under instead of over in a period of time that we've been seeing him responsible for his own, fucking destiny is he does bad interviews and has stupid fucking matches and annoys people and annoys them with his goddamn abrasive

and snooty personality on the interwebs and that's why I definitely think he made the best choice because the WWE didn't look like they wanted to fucking use him in a main event but they also wouldn't let him play on company time Well, they put the speed title on him, which almost was, that's almost like a backhanded compliment in a way.

It's like, can you get your match over with in five minutes or less? Right. We're going to give you the title that they wrestle for on Twitter videos, you know, at the time. But I guess that was the, that was the thing. Is there any way that we can make him make his matches any shorter than they are now? And I don't know if it's just me, but when he. He's out there now, even in AEW, and obviously they're featuring him more than WWE did, and they've got another title on him again and all this stuff.

But it feels like the audience even there, I mean, yes, he's a heel, so they're going to be taunting him and things. But it almost feels like they're kind of making fun of him. And not in a typical heel way. It's almost like they're, it's almost like they're making fun of him the way you give like a kid a wedgy. in high school. You know what I mean?

Like the way they... He's the fucking fall guy for the butt of the audience jokes. Yes. You know what he needs, don't you, Brian? No, you're not going to tell me he needs to eat, are you? No, he needs to get charged up. He needs some energy.

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All righty, Solomon Grundy, I guess we ought to talk for just a couple of minutes about, I know it's been several, days ago now, but about the raw after Rumble edition of RAU, there was a couple of things that I want to

comment on or recognize or whatever. And I know somebody's going to say, well, it's been a week ago and whatever the fuck. Well, God damn it. Again, my schedule, our schedule, everybody's schedule, has been chaos lately. And there was a day that I'd decided, well, should I watch Raw or should I go

to the dentist and have them numb my fucking entire face until I can't feel my nose? Or there was the day, well, should I watch Raw or should I take Stacey to the doctor to have a nerve block injection in her bad back? And all of those things were preferable to watching Raw. So I'm trying to catch up now with a couple of things that stood out. But here is the, at least the explanation as I see what they're doing now for what they're doing,

to or with Braun Breaker. and, Brad, you saw, obviously at the Royal Rumble, that was underwhelming, but I could see, well, they're trying to get him out of it, but it just,

it was a blah way to do it. But they're continuing to try to put focus on Bronbreaker while at the same time not doing what they were originally going to fucking do with him. And they're kind of making this shit up as they go, I think.

Well, yeah. Because you heard what the original apparently, as has been pieced together now, the original plan was for Seth Rollins and Roman Raines to have a world title match. And then Cody Rhodes and CM Punk to have a world title match. But then Seth Rollins got hurt. And then as we all know who have been in the booking position, and that creates a domino effect. If you take one guy out of this fucking,

what's that game called where they stack blocks up and then you take one out and the whole thing falls apart, whatever it's called, jenga. Yeah. Well, they done jinged WrestleMania. Because then when Seth got hurt, then okay,

well, punk will be the champion. And he'll wrestle brawn breaker. And then, you know, Rhodes would do something else or whatever the fuck. But then Cody would do, and rightfully so, was on the side of Drew McIntyre who said, hey, you've got this three stages of hell match set up for us.

Because we've been saying here on a show for a long time, Drew's got to win something. Right. so then they went well okay well then now drew will be the champion so then all of this fucking shit has changed to the point where now we're going to have reins and punk and we believe we will have Rhodes and McIntyre correct is what I would think we would have and Bronbreaker is is you know he got left out of the fucking party because he'd have a date. It's the same thing as when

when Austin got his neck injury the first time. Well, really, either time, that we tried to keep him on television and featured, causing chaos, interfered in shit, cutting promos, do it as much as we could with him without actually having him wrestle and hurt himself. In this case,

since they flummoxed the, direction that Braun was originally going in. Now they're trying to keep focus on him. And hopefully, Seth Rollins will be back in time for WrestleMania, and maybe they're optimistic of that so that they can have Seth Rollins and Braun Breaker in one of the feature matches. Henceforth is why the fucking masked man did the stomp

because they wanted people to think it was Seth, which also because Heyman kept screaming, that was Seth, that was Seth. There was a clue, right? Well, yeah, and I mean, they could be just doing the most super obvious thing and have it be Seth and maybe to set up the match that you're talking about because, like you said,

I mean, Breaker is very good. I mean, I'm not saying anything that hasn't been said and you guys have said it. He's good at what he does. He's a natural. He's very intense and believable. but he can only do so much with what they give him to do. Well, and that's the thing is that I'm not saying that they shouldn't have had some controversy

to eliminate him from the Royal Rumble. It just seemed to be a little abrupt and a little flat to me. But under this circumstance, they have to do, they have to keep focus on him while they pivot their position. but that's why they opened up the raw after Rumble with Bronn Breaker ringside. He's already come out, no music or whatever, and he comes over, he tears the announced desk up

and turns it over and menaces the announcers and gets the microphone and gets in the ring and he's going to, Susie says, Adam Pierce, I'm going to, here comes Bronson Reed and Logan Paul and Austin Theory and Paul Heyman. and because they're freaking out. No, no, don't do this.

We know, you got to calm down. And Braun's like, I'm going to fucking ruin raw. I'm going to ruin this whole show because Pierce, because you ruined my chance in the rumble. And then Paul E. took the microphone a real, again, he tried to blame Pierce, but he was doing damage control trying to blame Pierce. Well, you know, he's right. He's got a point that he's trying to let the other three

calm him down while he's still taking up for Braun. But then Braun jumps back in and gives Pierce the count of three to get out there. And Pierce did come out with all the security guys and you drew number two. I don't know who the masked man was. The last one was theory. But I'm going to give you a gift after that piss poor showing in the rumble, I'm going to let you keep your job. And oh, God damn, Bron.

bullshit about that. And then the L.A. Knight music plays and they get out of it because L.A. Knight comes in a ring from behind with a chair and beats up Logan Paul in theory and leaves before Reed can catch him. And the goddamn, you know, there's Braun standing there. What the fuck? Well, I also, I loved what Heyman said, though, in that promo where he goes, well, how can Adam Pierce not know who the masked man is?

he has to approve the visas of everybody that went over to Saudi Arabia. So he damn well has to know who that guy is. I thought that was a nice touch. Well, but then the problem was how come every time the masked man is his and nobody knows who it is, he doesn't have a, see, they hang themselves in the loopholes sometimes. If I didn't know any better, I would almost think they were trying to set up Bronn Breaker versus Adam Pierce.

Well, that's what I told Brian last. a couple weeks ago on a show. I'm most interested in seeing Adam Pierce gets Paul Heyman. I think Pierce can get three and a half good minutes out of Hayman. But anyway, here's the thing real briefly is the point of it is that some people were freaking out. It's not whoever the masked man was that attacked Braun. it's who they are going to reveal the masked man is because right it probably ain't going to be who it was and some people were on Twitter going we heard it was

Grayson Waller Cornett's going to be so pissed when he hears that no I wasn't because he got a payday because when they take the hood off of him it's not going to be Grayson Waller it's going to be Seth Fuggan Rollins so that at least they have a direction for for that match So we're going to see Roman and Punk. And we're going to see probably Cody and Drew. And we're going to see Braun Breaker and Seth Rollins probably. Paul goes well.

So they're starting to get to keep people in place. I also thought at the beginning of that segment. And I know this is something that you guys have talked about so much with these kinds of things. But this is no fault against Breaker. But he comes out at the top of the show. like you said. And I know that Adam Pierce and the security guys, they eventually came out.

They eventually came out. But he just comes out, Breaker, and just very kind of nonchalantly takes his sweet time, goes over, demolishes the entire announced table at the top of the show, intimidates the announcers, and just very slowly walks around the ring, gets in the ring,

somebody gives him a mic. And I'm thinking, why isn't the whole ringside area filling up with security, with referees, with, you know, wrestlers, somebody. This is the top of a major Netflix broadcast, and we're just going to let this guy, I mean, in story. Well, hey, you want to mess with him. That's what they always say.

And that's the thing is that, think about it in the other across the street in AEW. We've said many times, there's fucking people trying to pour bleach down some guy's throat and nobody's intervening. But then again, hanging themselves in a loophole of logic, two guys that they want to separate, exchange finger pointing, and one shoves the other,

and they're swarmed by 14 security guards. Where it's, nobody has any consistency in what they could have opened the, the show with, again, with one of the security guards riding bronze shoulders, as he fucking mares him over

as he's storming to the ring and they're trying to hold him and blah, blah, blah. But quality control is not a wrestling staple these days. Yeah, I mean, the ship has sailed on a lot of this stuff, but it's noticeable when you know better. But the biggest thing that everybody was talking about was the last segment, and I must admit,

I said probably last week here on a show one of the shows we do that Roman Reigns and Punk I want to see Roman Rains in a rock you know when Roman was complaining about creative as well fucking you know get your cousin to come back

finally have that match but to be honest after they got 15 minutes of my time Roman Rains and C.M. Punk made me want to see this fucking match and in terms of star power, in terms of promo ability, in terms of just what they made out of it

and the various stories they can tell out of this promo that they did, I think that's as good a made event for a night of WrestleMania as you're going to have at this point in the, at this stage of the game. Yeah, I think that's a natural WrestleMania main event. I mean, they kind of spoiled it a little bit because they had that dumb triple threat last year where they stuffed Seth Rollins in there with the two of them.

I mean, it should have just been one-on-one then. But I think a match of that size is Taylor made for WrestleMania. I don't have a problem with that match. Well, and because they've pretty much lost the ability to have Seth and Roman, at least for the short term, because with Roman's limited schedule, and also when Seth comes back, he's going to be a. Raven baby face and why would you want to get in the way of that because there will be happy he's back from the injury but nevertheless Roman rains came out and it's

Philadelphia too so they were they were with the the references and you know again it's a lot of singing and milking on his entrance but they view him as a star and he went over his big wins and losses in Philly and again again he's a great promo because he's got conviction. He's true to his presentation. He speaks like that he should. He speaks like he looks. Everything about Robert Raines kind of fits, right?

Plus he spent time at the at the Haman, I can't say the Haman learning tree. Paul has to sit down more at the Haman Buddha learning tree. And he basically asked, to people, hey, I got a decision to make. Do you want me to go after the title that I made? And the fans already started chanting CM Punk. So you don't want me versus Drew?

No. So you prefer punk. Huge pop. And as soon as he's got that far, Al-A-Muselini, returning to Philly. The whole crowd sang the song. They got a big, it's clobbering time. And from the start of this, this is what, again, I always preach, when guys, especially, whether

if it's heels versus heels or baby faces versus baby faces, you can do that if the guys maintain truth to their presentation. These guys were not saying anything that they wouldn't say if CM Punk was the person he's supposed to be and Roman Raines is person he's supposed to be on television. They're both heroes, but they have a personal dislike, and it's not, it's not, it's, you're going to have to pick a side here, but for a match this big, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

that's what part of the interest is. But they didn't, punk just doesn't suddenly become a heelist. Shut up, you people of Philadelphia, or rains, either one. It's personal between the two of them, rather than something that's concocted to get heat one way or the other.

And punk is, you know, he said, you're a visitor here on my show. And, you know, they made fun of them, booing Roman and Drew, but Roman told punk, hey, Drew's four times your size. And they, they went back and forth in a pointed way

and stepped on each other enough, I'm sure, by hopefully mutual agreement, that it became personal. The Roman says the bloodline is the only reason that punk that you had a show to come back to. And punk says, Roman, you manipulated your cousin and a bunch of people into thinking you'd built something,

but you just held the company hostage. And punk illustrated how Roman Raines followed in his footsteps. And said, just because you did it longer doesn't mean you did it better. You choose to be a part-timer, and I choose to go to 10 countries in three weeks. And punk, when he laid it out, and punk is more verbose and he should be. I'm not saying Roman Rain is not a good promo. but he keeps it shorter and that fits his personality.

But punk out baby-faced him and got a pop and was condescending at the same time while Roman had that serious I'm not happy face. And then Roman answered back and said, you took a 10-year vacation, you're going to talk about me being part-time. And he laughed at the idea

he learned from punk, I okayed you being brought back and you took my wise man and brainwashed my cousins. And that may have been the promo that I liked best from Roman rains that I've heard were just for a couple minutes, he just came back on punk

and he just blistered him. And he basically says, I'm picking you because I hate you. And WrestleMania, you will acknowledge me. So that to me, this was a money fucking deal, I think. They're both great at what they do. And you didn't mention when,

I loved when Raines called out the friendship bracelet thing where he goes. Oh, that's right. Because they were talking about McIntyre, you know, should I wrestle McIntyre and all this stuff? And he said the thing, he's like three times your size. And then Raines goes, look, I already beat that guy 10 ways to Sunday. Now, we could argue whether that devalues Drew McIntyre a little bit as the champ. But then he goes, yeah, and I remember you and him were fighting over some stupid bracelet.

I think it's the one that you're wearing right now. And it was. And that made my wife laugh in the other room. I could hear her laughing. So that's an accomplishment. But what I liked was there was a little bit of the back and forth, especially when punk was talking about, I brought you in here because the shield first started as his kind of like his muscle, his bodyguard. That's right.

And he referenced that. It reminded me, I have to say, one of my favorite movies is Goodfellas. And if you're familiar with it, the famous Shinebox scene, do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, yes. Where you've got this character, who's Joe Pesci's character, who there's a mob boss who gets out of jail. He's been in jail a long time. He used to be somebody. And when he was free years ago, the Joe Pesci character was just a little punk kid and

shining people's shoes and things like that. And he makes the mistake of still talking to him as if he's that kid. And Pesci's character goes, look, I don't know if you heard, but I don't shine shoes no more. And it was kind of like that, where it was rain saying, look, this isn't 2012. If you haven't noticed, I'm the guy that runs this show now, not you. You know, you're talking about 2013. I'm talking about right now. And, you know, it was really, it had that, like you said, they're acting.

Obviously, we know it's an angle, but they're acting in a manner that fits who we know them to be. Yeah. and that's the, you know, basically the formula, whether there is a legitimate personal issue or whether you can manufacture a personal issue that you can portray as legitimate, that's the basic principle of wrestling. And they did that there in 15 minutes,

so I applaud them for that, I believe. But you know, the thing is, Brian, I think both of these guys have found the secret to great promos and great performances in the wrestling ring and drawing money is getting a good night's sleep. Don't you think that that improves everybody's life and almost every facet is when they're able to get a good night's sleep? I think so.

I mean, usually I am during these shows while I'm watching them. Well, there you go. But see, they can't be because they've got to be up to put us to sleep. So I know, you know, punk used to sleep in like the back of his car when he was working for Ian Rotten and Roman Rains used to sleep on goddamn fatched roofs on huts in the Samoan Islands. And now they've all grown up in a sleep in million dollar homes, but they've got something in common. I know they do. You know, punk, we know he's a listener to the show. And I bet Roman Rains does it on the down low, but I bet you they have used our code to get a good.

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Salomon, Solomon Grande boy howdy they're in Las Vegas there was that a giant movie theater? It was like when the boar horseman came through the lobby I expected somebody to be carrying a big thing of popcorn

I just think you definitely owe me because I had to actually watch this show from beginning to end is this a normal part of your routine to watch AEW Dynamite I mean, I want to clarify, because people are going to hear that and think, well, Brian Solomon is the news editor for the wrestling news and he's covering the shows and how is he not watching the shows. What I mean is I normally do not sit there from beginning to end with my undivided attention live watching the show. Oh, good Lord.

I didn't mean for you to have to do that. Well, I did. So there you go. Well, see, I record it so I can zip through the very. various things that offend me, but they were in Las Vegas, and they started the show like they used to do collision with the backstage 22nd pre-tape promo from the talent and the feature matches, and MJF did good,

and Brody King did okay, and Kenny just sounds like a big douchebag. Don Callis was actually serious and got bleeped for something he said about, Kenny. I don't know what they bleep on this program. I noticed that. Almost anything comes through it. I couldn't read his lips because have you ever stared at Don Callis's lips? I can't say that I have. But then they went to Harley and Willow and I'm like, now they've gone too far. And then Penelope pit stop and Megan Brain. I'm like,

Jesus Christ, how deep we're going to go here with these comments. But then they started the show with a six-man tag team. match with the boar horseman led by of course Dick the boozer John Moxley and his friends Pack and Danny Garcia with Marina Schaeford they took

on Josh Alexander our friend Take a shit and El Clown so Brian says you do the wrestling news reports and we watch this thing or as much of it as we can stomach every week and

apparently now they're supposed to be some kind of rivalry between the Callas family and the Boer Horseman, but they're just already having random matches on television with these guys. They're really both heel teams, but the longtime attempted murderers led by Moxley, who were trying to take over the company, have now become beloved baby faces because he gave a rah-rah speech. and they're having matches with random members of the Don Phallis family

because there's 18 of them besides the ones that are hurt what the fuck is are we supposed to be interested about in this rivalry between these two groups of random people I don't know but they do these kinds of like you said these random matches where it's maybe a six man or an eight man or something something. And it feels so much like they just have, and this is a company with a pretty deep roster, honestly. They got a lot of people that they do nothing with. And it feels sometimes like they've got about 10 names that they put in a hat every week. And they just pick them out in

different permutations and have them wrestle each other in giant tag team matches. And I was thinking that while I was watching this. And you know, that's another thing that permutation is a word that needs to be implemented more often. I agree. So in this thing, again, it's the same thing that they do amongst these same people for about 12 minutes. And then all three of the heels,

Don's group, in full view of the referee, just hit Danny Garcia with multiple moves over and over to bam, pow, bam, boom, bam, covered him, two count. and then take a shit, picked him up off the mat and suplexed him, cover one, two, three. So there's supposed to be the heels in this confrontation. I know that much that the fans are supposed to cheer for Moxley's bunch and boo these cretons.

So that means that in full view of the referee, all three of the bad guys, just beat one of the baby faces just unmered. and flat in the middle of the ring. And that's supposed to continue. Well, I can't wait to see how they're going to get even from getting a shit kicked out of them just one, two, three. Even a referee couldn't help them. Where do they get these finishes?

It never really seems like it's thought through. And it just sort of, I mean, I know you guys have talked about it, but when you hear the stories about the agents, and producers there and how they, they just seem to kind of throw their hands up and let these guys do what they want. And I think that's what you get when you do that.

Well, and also because they do it in Japan. Okay. Because that's where everybody's heads are at. Because the same thing has happened to the wrestling industry in Japan as has happened in America. The Marx took over and got in the ring and now they just like to do moves. So speaking of Marx in the ring,

for people who thought that I was going to sit through Tony Storm and pockets in a mixed tag match with job guy and job girl you got another thing coming and I just I'm amazed at how now because Tony Kahn thinks that it's cute for Tony Storm and pockets to do a dance routine that he has taken Tony Storm for being maybe the most popular star they fucking had to being in a middle card

mixed tag arrangement with the company mascot. I agree and I know I'm maybe in the minority with the people that listen to the show but I love Tony Storm. I enjoy a lot of what she does and I feel like she's an example of somebody that went to AEW and actually made the best of it and became something

they were never going to let her be in WWE. And not only that, but doing a persona, an act that like it or not, is not something she would ever be allowed to do in WW. And, you know, it's, look, I'm not trying to sound pretentious. She is the person who has improved her standing in life by going to AEW. Yes. You would think off the top of your head. She's one of the few people that I could definitely say that about.

And not only that, you said absolutely one of the most popular people in the company. I know you and Brian like to rip on the PWA awards that we do, of which I am a part of that organization. Oh, you don't have to, you don't have to spill your guts and admit these things out loud, Brian. I will say this. I know you can be outvoted, though. Well, here's the thing. So when they do the awards, not the 500, now you can hit us all you want for that because I am a part of that rating system. But the awards are legitimately voted.

on. I'm not going to say that it was not a work back in the after days, but I will say that currently right now, it's a legitimate vote. And what I'm getting at is the readers of that magazine did legitimately vote Tony Storm as the most popular to give her that award. And I mean, you can quibble and argue whether she deserves that, but it does show how popular she has been. Well, and that's a thing. I even liked, I liked it when she was crazy and everybody else acted like she was crazy. But when everybody else got into it, then it got too far for me, but I will admit that she did make herself one of the most popular, the most popular people on the program. And now here she had, by the way, before wonderful Willie Apter calls us,

Bill Apter told me at one point in time that the only thing worked about the awards in his day were the number of votes cast. They would take, they would take, they would take. They would the percentages that the actual people got on the mail-in votes, but they would just act like they got more votes. And to tell you, yeah, to show you how much of a mark I was when I first came to work for WWE. Now, I was going off of that because I was a big PWI reader. And when I got to WWE in 2000, my first year there, we were going to do an awards thing

in the magazine similar to that votes coming in from the readers. And my boss, Barry, goes, well, you're going to be in charge of getting the mail. and reading the mail and all this and seeing the and I go, well, Barry, I don't know if I can handle all that. We're going to be getting millions of votes. And they looked at me like I was the stupidest man alive. And then I realized it's because, okay, yeah, I mean, maybe we got like a few thousand. It was definitely manageable. And this is WWE. So definitely, yeah, they had to be inflating the numbers for sure. Yes. But still, they were trying in their own way to be honest. Anyway, speaking of in their own way, trying, poor Mark Davis, he almost got his fat ass into a spot.

He almost had a, he was going to be in a push tag team. They were the best looking grown adults in this company as far as a brand new fresh, he old tag team, two rugged looking brutish fellows. and what's his name? God damn, I forgot his name. Oh, Jake, Jake Doyle. It is debut, tears his bicep. Now Mark Davis is on TV losing to hangman Adam Page. So he almost had a spot there.

If you listen to and watch this whole thing all the way through, Brian, did you hear when Sockface called Andrade Andrele? Yes, yes. Yes, he did. Andrele will be here shortly. So, again, this is an Adam Page match. Five minutes into this thing. He was moonsault and off the bleachers out in the arena onto Davis on the floor.

And it's, there is no endearing baby face quality to Page. He has the fake snarl and the scowl for the promos. It is matches. It's big. moves over and over that don't beat anybody. Mark Davis is not going to be a single star of any kind in this company, a business moving lynchpin single star in this company or any other major company. He probably could have been part of, as I said, the tag team.

But Adam Page is in the world title angle. And for over 10 minutes, he needs. needs a bazooka to beat this guy, including moonsaulting off the fucking bleachers for no reason. And I think this was the match where, again, a common occurrence in AEW, but when you watch the show actually as closely as I did, it really jumps out. They're outside the ring doing all these things you're talking about. And I think this is the match. The referee is not even pretending to count. Not even pretending, not even doing the fake count thing. She's just standing there and occasionally imploring them to get back in the ring, but she's not counting.

With Aubriad, Aubriette does a great imploring face. You phrased it perfectly. She's imploring them. Oh, my God, I'm so hurt. I'm wounded that you won't get back in the ring. I had Jimmy Corderas on my podcast not long ago, and we were talking about at a certain point, the referees went from getting angry, screaming and yelling and demanding that the wrestlers do things, And now they just kind of, they just kind of beg and plead, and they look like they're about to start crying and, like, they have no control over anything. And it's just, it's very sad to watch. Sometimes they stand back and they wring their hands and have an anguished look like,

oh, if I could only stop this. If only I had the authority. It's like what I said to him, it's like a parent with really spoiled children that, where they get to the point where they're just like, please, I'm begging you. please go to bed, you know. I'm not speaking from experience, of course. Well, no, because your kids aren't really yours after the DNA, right? So you can't take any of the blame.

But so finally, Paige, again, the guy that's in the world title picture, hits a tombstone pile driver on the entrance ramp and then throws this guy in a ring and he stands up after the tombstone pile driver so Paige can hit him with a buckshot lariat, one, two, three. but anyhow we got the big match that we've long awaited since last week Andre d'or,

Andre Andre Andradele. That's what he said. He called him Androdley. Instead of Andre, Andre, I can't say Andrade L. Edelot. He said Andre d'Andrelaidle. He sounded like Beck.

Odle Eddie. Well, come on. Now, you can't even say it right when you're calling out Excalibur. You've got to be able to say it right one time. My mouth doesn't move the way his does or in the same circles. Okay. But anyway, they start this match within 30 seconds. They went to the floor and they did spots on the floor for two minutes.

And it's the same thing, as you mentioned, no matter who the referee is here, because there's no rules on anything, there's no control. this was not a no DQ anything goes match they just they can't help themselves it's part of wrestling for them and this talk about the women at ringside for this oh well yes because i thought jim heard was back in charge of hiring the models for flare's entrance these four women that obviously obviously didn't come there to buy a ticket and had no business being there and were dressed up for the occasion, sitting on the front row, and they're trying to sell, oh, look, Andrade has all of these women coming to his matches. Yes, when they're paid and booked through an agency,

I used to have a ton of women, too, but I don't think I was in sweet stands fucking category. But so they're, at the same time, they're supposed to be making over him. And when he comes out there in front of them and they're taking selfies with him. Did you see what one of the models, I use the word models, what one of the young ladies, one of the workers posted on the internet.

Did you, saw this? I did. Yes. She posted a fucking screenshot of one of the segments in the show of the guys in the ring and the caption on it was L-O-L, oh my God, this is so fucking fake.

Yep, that's what she did. And it's amazing to me. They paid them to be there. Yes, they paid them. And she was just laughing about it. I think it was worse than L-O-L-L, Jim. I think it was L-M-A-O, which is even worse. Oh, well, she was laughing her Oriolas off.

I don't know what all these codes mean. So they took the money and then they just laughed at it, you know? And not only that, but then there was this back and forth. They shit all over it. And normally that costs even more money than what they were paid. Maybe that's their main source of income. I don't know. But there were some people online, as they often are.

And they were on both sides of this. And it was both were hilarious because you had on one side, you had the people who were going, who were looking at the pictures of Andrade with the women and the videos and going, boy, WWE really dropped the ball with this guy. as if as if to say, you know, the fans love him so much. So the fans love him so much. We have to pay women to admire him.

But then the other side of it is you had the poor people, and I felt worse for these people, who were saying things like, you know, I just, I don't think those were, I think those were plants. I don't think those were really fans. This is an outrage. And you're going, are you new here? Have you just started watching wrestling?

Is this something you're just experiencing now? That used to be a thing, like when Hurd got on the kick where he'd hire the models and shit, and WCW, 89, 90, whatever, we were like, Jesus Christ, Flair and the horsemen and the rock roll. A lot of those guys had better-looking women that they were seeing in the various towns

than these people that they were paying to come and dress and act in a manner where they obviously had no idea what was going on and never had heard of these people, before they were paid to be affectionate to them. And the boys had better looking fucking women. But anyway, this match was every kinney match that you've ever seen for 15 minutes.

And then they started trading chops. And there was maximum gesticulating and finger-pointing, and then both of them had a double knockout. And Don came to the apron and threw a screwdriver to Andre. and then drew the referee. And of course, they've used the screwdriver as their big foreign object, something that you can't work with, can never really use it properly,

and looks as phony as fucking possible. But swerve came down and grabbed the screwdriver from Andrade. And then referee Aubrey, she's everywhere. She ran him off and bent over the second rope and stuck her head under the top rope so she could be as distracted as possible. So while she ran fucking swerve off, Andre could turn around and kick Kenny in the balls

and beat him one, two, three. But then the heels left, Swerve came back out, and Kenny was mad because he didn't know why Swerve was involved. And they started arguing. And as soon as one of them shoved the other one, remember what we were talking about,

Solomon Grundy earlier in the program, they have people with chainsaws and flamethrowers set each other on fire and security don't show up. But these two fucking schmose shove each other once and the security fills the ring. Oh, Jesus Christ!

And we had more finger pointing. And I'm telling you what, I don't care who you are in a wrestling business, you get in a contest of finger pointing with Kenny Olivier. You're going down, motherfucker. Well, it's like the old gag in movies and stuff where they kind of go, hold me back, hold me back.

Yeah. And they're waiting for you to hold them back because they don't actually want to to fight anybody. That's how it comes across sometimes. But now, again, we've got a situation where almost all of Tony's top baby faces are spending all of their time arguing with each other. And you're splitting the audience. It's like, again, they see punk and reins do a baby face confrontation between two individual stars and manufacture a personal issue.

So they think if we have all these guys nattering at each other and whining and bitching about their various issues with each other, it'll be even better and it just makes a mess as it usually does. You need stars and focus and ability to speak if not better booking. behind the whole deal. At least with swerve and hangman, it made a little bit more sense because they did have a history, they did have this really intense hatred

for each other that we've established. And so when they're both baby faces, yeah, you could kind of understand they don't like each other, they don't trust each other, they don't have a history. Here, this was far less explainable. It's the old,

everybody wants the world title. Right. That's as old as wrestling. But you don't have all of your baby faces arguing with each other over getting to the world title. That's not conducive to anything, but nevertheless. And then they had another, a world tag team title eliminator match, Brian Solomon, which I'm going to skip right over with Penelope Pitstop and Megan Brain against. Willow Nightingale and Harley Cameron, and good Lord, all I got to say is some,

one day, some of these girls are going to get hurt bad. But, Tomaso Champa, the newest game changer. I love Tomaso. I think his work is great, as look is great, he's in tremendous shape,

and now he's doing the promos. They couldn't copyright knocking the chair over. They couldn't take that away from him. he's doing a backstage promo but is serious good delivery brief he's going to continue on the open challenge for the t and t title he'll fight anybody and he's already starting to refer to the belt as i can't remember what name sylvie sylvie and this what he was doing in nxte apparently was his concept, which is better, of course, than the other things he was forced to do. So he's doing this and he does the promo and he stands up abruptly and knocks the chair over.

He's a very quirky guy. He's different. He's unique. That kind of thing gets over. But, and I'll let you weigh into your opinion on this, even with that and even with talent, is he going to trip over the bad booking? He's just come in and won the title in his first match, and now he's being booked on collision to defend the title in a three-way

against Roderick Strong and Claudio Castignoli. And I was like, idiots, let him beat people in matches, in real matches, one-on-one, and get over and get his moves over, and get his deal over, and not have him in random three ways, where again, just another guy doing spots. Well, because it's like you said, they're not thinking in terms of how do we get him over and keep him over by having him beat a bunch of people. They're immediately thinking in terms of let's get him in there with some other great

wrestlers and have great matches. And that's when you get, but that's when you get, okay, hey, Claudio's great, strong is great. Let's just have a big triple threat. And they're not thinking necessarily about where this is going. So, I mean, potentially. potentially. Champa is the kind of guy that could be on that list of people we talked about who actually benefits by going over there. He seems to be the type of person that fits in

with what they do in a good way. Because look, in NXT, he was a phenomenon. He was great there. And the whole thing with him and Gargano, and then what happened, the minute they called those guys up, the both of them were just immediately exposed. You immediately noticed how small he was immediately. And you immediately noticed how, wow, in NXT, he really seemed like a big deal, a dangerous, intimidating guy. And on the main roster,

he immediately just seemed to lose so much of that aura. And I think- Well, because he was also, he was working against guys that were kind of mid-card meaningless as well. And with Gargano as a partner, it was always going to be, you just, there was going to be a ceiling to it of people taking them seriously. And I think I mentioned this to Brian Lasty of the day, here on this roster, he looks like a big kick-ass guy. That's what I mean. Yeah. So I mean, potentially this could

be a good move. But like you said, it remains to be seen. And I know, yes, he won a title in his first match, which is great. But how many times have we seen these people? They come in, right? You know, a million times. And it's like we get, it's like Charlie Brown on the football. Every time you watch it, you're like, oh, wow, this guy, wow, this is going to be a difference maker. I can't wait to see what happens, blah, blah, blah. And then three weeks later, you forget this person even exists. So hopefully that doesn't happen. But at least they made Action Andretti a superstar. All right. Then we're speaking of superstars, I, I mean, boy, move over Jim Landoz, back up Wild Bill Longson.

There is nobody on the level of ricochet in today's industry. He is a legitimate star in his own mind. And now he's in the, again, the trampoline cowboy little click, where he gets to play with all of the former PWG friends from Reseda. So now it was ricochet against our friend Jungle Jackoff. And I mean, after this made the news, all I could think is this, what he wants to do instead of being a member of the cast of a worldwide promotion where, you know, he can make money and be known and do his thing

to the extent that the producers will allow him, he wants to be fighting on a secondary show having goofy indie style matches over a, again, not even a secondary belt, because they've got so many belts, and bitching about it on Twitter. He thinks this is good, it's not good. Because when you've got him in Jungle Jack,

it looks like two teenagers having a match in a pro wrestling fantasy. camp. And that's what they jumpstart on the ramp. They had a fight with flips on the floor. This is what he this is the only thing he can do. And the WWE were trying to produce it where you get

eight minutes of the fucking guys, the human cannonball. And that's an attraction on the show. And then we get down to the meat of the matter. But he thinks it means he's a main event guy. So again, this is every indie match ever. He's a great gymnast. But anytime you look at him, I don't know if you watch this closely,

if he actually does anything related to wrestling, it looks like shit. His basics suck. He doesn't follow through. He doesn't have timing or aggression on snatching his holes. But the cartwheels and handstands and pike position, shit. He's perfect.

So is there Cirque de Soleil? Is there America's got talent where he can be free to pursue his main interests and not be in wrestling? But he, I think he fancies himself a video game character or something. And this is the only place where he gets to play with his friends, make a fortune from the billionaire boy child. that likes this kind of thing and have fun at work. And he's lucky that he came along at the only time in a 125 years that you could actually find somebody that would pay you to do those things.

Yeah, the video game thing, too, that's a big part of it. And I forget who first mentioned that to me. And it really opened my eyes where, because I was thinking, where are they getting this mentality from? And it's a lot of these guys that, yeah, their number one reference point in their mind for wrestling is the wrestling video games that they love to play. And that's where they get this idea where you hit a million finishers.

You hit a million big moves before you win. Because in their mind, they're thinking, well, in a video game, you have that energy bar at the top, right? Your character has the bar. And you can't, you're never going to just hit one big move and win, because you need a sequence of moves so that the energy bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower until it gets to the bottom and then you lose the match. And that's what they're thinking in their mind is they're thinking of it like a video game.

Do you know how we learned it back in my day, Brian? We fucking watched the people that were good at it and made the most money that were in the main events and we emulated what they did. So this, again, you mentioned the referee Aubriette. but to me Rick Knox, the corpse referee, is the worst performer of any kind on the entire AEW roster. He sleepwalks through everything.

But they have the indie match and then Rickashay just jumps out and slides the belt in the ring. So this goofy referee just bends over and walks and puts it over on the other side of the ring in the corner. And they leave it there for a while. And then they had multiple flips and two counts

and Jungle Jack got his hold. And then Rikishay's student. came to the ring and drew the referee's attention. One of them pulled ricochet to the ropes out of the hold for a break. And then here came the Hardley Boys, the Buccanews, and they jumped the Stooges and fought off. And ricochet rammed old Jack Boy's head into the title belt and then hit his finish on him, one, two, three.

Yeah, when he just laid the belt in the corner, you know, what referee is going to do that? do that. You get a foreign object. You get it away from the wrestler and you go, yeah, I'm just going to tuck it in the corner here under the turnbuckles. I'm not going to hand it to anyone or and it tips you off right away. You can't have that object. I'm going to set it over here eight feet away. Right. Well, there's no reason you should be having that. So now you've immediately tipped everybody off of what the finish is going to be or at least, even if it's not the finish, you know that that belt now is coming into play again. I mean, they've made it as incredibly obvious because the referee is saying,

the referee is basically saying, I'm going to put this over here in case anybody needs to use it again. That's basically it. And that's the thing is a lot of these guys have seen great matches in the past where some object was put down as a misdirection and was used later. And they just do it all the time and in the stupidest ways. But it points to Brian Solomon, in my opinion, it points to a lack of knowledge of the craft or the trade that you were in.

And no matter, no matter what kind of business or trade or service or livelihood that you are in, if you don't know everything about it, you need help. You need to listen to the experts. Would you say that that's a fairly fair statement? You need to listen to the people that know what they're doing when you get involved in some kind of big business operation. you would say that, wouldn't you? Yes, I would say that, Jim.

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That old chestnut. And I, at first I thought it was Josh Alexander, but then he identified himself and he has that accent. and it's Gabe Kidd, the guy who looks like Josh Alexander and some other hairy fucking guy. Do you know who was the hairy guy that kidnapped the director in the TV truck with Gabe Kidd? Oh, you're putting me on the spot now. I wouldn't even, you even got one up on me by knowing it was Gabe Kidd. I don't know.

Let me see if I could figure that out. Well, we'll call him Harry. There you go. So suddenly you go to the inside, allegedly, well, it is inside the TV truck, but this is allegedly happening live that Gabe Kidd has a camera. That's one thing they don't usually have in the TV truck is a camera.

It was Clark Connors, by the way. Chuck Connors from the rifleman? No, if it was Chuck Connors, he wouldn't need to use any weapons. No, it was Clark Connors. Oh, well, he needed a hand grenade. Yeah. But they've got the director in a chin lock

and the other one of the, I guess the technical director, the other guy sitting in the chair next to him is like overstagedly acting like please don't hurt me and they demand that this is they were saying shit you couldn't understand because those accents and because it was miced poorly because they were in the TV truck where they don't normally shoot shit and because he's screaming but they forced them to play a video of them in a truck in the desert dragging a body bag behind the truck and then they pull over and get out and open it up and it's Darby Allen with his mouth duct taped and his hands tied and then they got back in

the truck and drove off and left him because of course this is getting even for where some weeks ago Darby Allen put Gabe Kidd in a fucking bag and drug him out of the goddamn building could this be any faker and phonier and more childish than that you. that anybody would believe this or that anybody would want to see this from this preliminary level talent on one of the guys, they still like Darby, even though he's an insurance claim waiting to happen. He's a detriment overall because you can't depend on him because he could be crippled at any point.

But he has charisma and he was wrestling for the world title a couple months ago. he's being drug around the desert by these fucking average indie looking oil changing motherfuckers from Jiffie Lou. Well, he's another guy who's potentially his own worst enemy because he's got something. Darby Allen's got something. People do like him. He has a kind of charisma. Obviously, he's not a big guy, but he's one of those guys that makes you forget about that. But he gets in his own way, especially if we could assume that a lot of these guys are kind of contributing. these ideas for what they want to do. I mean, right? That's sort of what they do.

Contributing, maybe donating the ideas, right? And it comes across so poorly. And it's also, so much of it is just people attempting to murder each other. And look, I know that AEW didn't invent that. You know, I mean, Jerry Lawler got hit by a car and all these kinds of things. But not every week. Right, not every week. And it wasn't constant.

and it felt special. Instead of just, we're constantly just trying to murder each other in inventive ways. And I know he's trying to be shocking and all that sort of thing, but he needs somebody to be able to say no. I think he would really benefit from that. Well, and besides that, for one thing, all these people spend way too much time in the desert. I don't know how to get to the fucking desert.

How do you get to the fucking down, turn left at Albuquerque? I don't know. but they think they're making these mini movies. It's so cool. They have a job where they get to work for a cool boss like Tony Kahn who lets them do what they want in the ring, and then they get to go out and make movies and shoot each other on video where they're dragging each other with trucks,

and wow, isn't this fun? And it's just Gaga. This is all put together like the show is edited in a mixmaster. So then we got to the main event. are you ready to bring it home with the big main event and Eliminator match that we've all been waiting for? Absolutely. I said to Brian last,

and I'm going to have to say to him on the next program in a few days that I was sorry, or I am sorry, whatever tense I'm using. But you, Solomon Grundy, I'll say it to you, even if you just heard me say it. I said this match was going to be better. MJF versus Brody King would be a much. better match than MJF versus Bandita.

I said that because I was okay, even though Brody King ain't my favorite guy in the ring, he trained in America, he's a big guy that can move around, MJF puts smart matches together, there won't be a language barrier and a culture barrier of Bandito's stupid moves that he does and his crummy basics.

And I still may have been right, except they didn't have the fucking match. So they did make national news with this, but not through their wrestling. That's true. They had the introductions. It's an eliminator match. If Brody King beats MJF or the rules, even if he goes to a draw, then Brody King gets a world title match. But they started the thing, Brody King's entrance, they were already going into overtime.

They were 10 o'clock already. I'm thinking, what, they're going along. right run this time right it was it was that attitude era kind of tip off where your main event is starting you know six minutes before the end of the show and you're going something something's not right here yeah and i mean they've been used to you know going five minutes over lately or seven minutes over and i'm thinking this is going to be a big one right then mjf and then the in ring intros begin and all of a sudden this is what made national news and i found out why i thought it was just spontaneous, but there was a reason.

But the fans as they, as MJF and Brody King were standing there about the bell, about to ring, just started chanting, fuck ice, fuck ice, fuck ice, the whole building. And the announcers ignored it. I would have had to have said something if I'd have been them. But nevertheless, apparently Brody King and, hey, I'm going to give credit where it is due, Brody King apparently helped fundraise over what I saw $50,000 or so for anti-ice efforts. So I have to commend him for that. And I'd never said he was a horrible human being.

I'm just, I'm not convinced yet as a wrestler, although with the roster the way it is now, he may have to grow on me. There may be nothing left. But anyway, go ahead. No, I was going to say, yeah. Well, he's got a great look. He looks, especially in AEW, he really stands out. He looks like a big, tough wrestler.

He's scary looking. He's intimidating looking. And he's got that going for him. But my problem is, I'll say two things. One thing I'll say that's positive and the other thing isn't positive. But I will say my problem, I'll say the good thing first. And maybe I'll be the devil's. Make it a compliment sandwich.

Yes. Well, I'm going to be devil's advocate here because like you were saying, you know, it turned out to not even be a match. But in a way, I felt like that. Don't you think that helps build the match that the world title match they're going to have? Because it's that old thing of like if he could, like the announcer said, if he could do that next week, he's going to be your new world champion. And it kind of puts that in your mind. And also, what was it? It was page, right, that caused the distraction. Yes. Okay. So now you're also. building that. So now MGF has an issue with Page. I didn't mind that if it feels like it's leading to something else. However, yeah, I'm sorry. Okay, okay, go yeah. I didn't know you had a however. Well, this is the bad side. The bad side is I'm still not convinced and I don't think any fans are convinced that he has any chance of winning that match. And maybe I'll put my foot in my mouth. It feels like the Sammy Zane thing with Drew McIntyre where you're going, nobody really thinks he's going to win this title, right? You know what I mean? Well, here's the thing. Well, let's explain, and then I will comment on what you said,

but we'll explain what they did. As soon as they started to lock up, Page's music played. And here came hangnail to the entranceway and distracted MJF, and Brody King clamped a sleeper on MJF from behind while MJF was on the apron, and Brody King was reaching out over the top rope. And squeezed him for about five seconds and dropped him, then threw him in the ring, hit him with a cannonball in a corner,

and a big pile driver deal, one, two, three. And then they announced, well, he's going to get the title match at Grand Slam Australia, 10 days from now. Again, I see in the middle of all this what they were trying to do and you hit the nose on the head. The idea that, okay, he beat him in a non-title match. Can he beat him when the title is on the line? That's again as old as wrestling.

but to have no match in 10 days he's not going to be able to do the same thing because they're not going to have no match and at this particular point in time this deal worked when it was a heel champion whether regional or world champion that you really wanted to see the goddamn baby face beat when Harley race was pinned by the young von eric boy on st louis television oh my god but this is MJF who came back from a long absence, won a four way to win the title that he was almost a non-entity in and pretty much stole it at the end. And this is his first program or series or rivalry

or whatever they call him these days since he's won the thing and now he's goddamn been stretched out in 30 seconds by Brody King who ain't going to win the world. title, while all of the top baby faces continue to whine and gripe and backstab at each other over the thing, and we just found out that Tony Kahn just realized he's got a big show in Australia and 10 days out announces the main event for it. So I see what the idea was, but could you, besides the fact that it wasn't time for this

particular thing to happen in anybody's series of events in the booking, could they not have had a match where Brody King would show he was competitive with MJF, and then MJF would try to fuck him, but Page would prevent it, and then Brody King would hit his finish. Instead of, don't do anything, the world champion got beat by a five-second sleeper and asked a face to pile driver in 30 seconds because he took his eye off the fucking ball. but the guy will never do it again because Paige would have to come out and distract him again. It, and then, and I'll let you comment, I'm sorry, but while I'm fired up,

then Andrade came back in and knocked a fuck out of Brody King and gave MJF his finish. So now the world champion has been laid out by Brody King and by Andrade. and then Adam Page got back up and buckshot at Andre. And then he went for a buckshot on MJF, but MJF kicked Adam Page in the balls. And then Brody King was back up and power bombed MJF. And then picked up the title belt. So what the...

At least they got a point across that they could hang their hat on, and then everybody got back up and did something more to everyone else. So the one guy had to no-sell, MJF first had to no-sell fucking Brody King's finish. MJF also had to fucking no-sell the fucking Andrade's finish because he had to be back up to kick Page and the fucking balls. Meanwhile, everybody else had got their move had to be up to do the other fucking thing. So what, what are they doing? Didn't they confuse the issue after they'd kind of made a point? They did. And they always have these, these kind of schmaz things they do where it's, you know, a million things happening on top of another and all these different people

coming in. It's always a mess. I mean, I know very well because I have to write about this stuff every week. So even if I'm not watching it, I'm reading the results. I'm doing something. I'm trying to keep up with what's happening. And I'm going, what the hell am I even going to do with this? There's a million. This guy came out. Then that guy came out. And then this guy came out. And I'm trying to make it readable. So, you know, I think I deserve a Pulitzer Prize for that. But they do these things all the time. And I can't defend that. I'm not going to defend that. But what I will say, I get what you're saying about page coming in and creating the distraction, which kind of hurts the case for King being the serious threat.

But I think maybe I'm advocating that the thinking behind it, because like we both said, no one is going, oh, wow, Brody King's going to win this title. They have a tall mountain to climb to convince people that he's got a chance. So maybe the thought is, Okay, so if we have Brody King win in the non-title match, yes, that's a good idea. But in order to convince these people, these very skeptical fans, we have to have them not only win, but we have to have them get this really quick win, just outrageous, shocking win over MJF as quickly as possible and make MJF look as foolish as possible.

I can understand that too. And that's been done before when the fucking baby fans. catches the heel with a goddamn, a quick one, as Vince used to say, but in that case, don't have him turn his fucking back. Yeah. That's the thing is, is that he's going to have

MJF could just come out and say, well, yeah, Brody King will beat me again next week. If I'm stupid enough to turn my back again, that's the only reason I lost. It just, the construction of everything, they've got elements of classic wrestling involved in all of this stuff,

but it's only because they've seen it on tapes or whatever and don't understand the context in which it was placed. And sometimes the same two guys doing the exact same thing might have worked at one point, but won't work at the other point because the preamble, the setup, the what the fans have seen the previous six months doesn't match. So that means that the deal doesn't match.

But that was the show there on Dynamite. Mr. Solomon, you're going to do this again next week? Are you hooked now? Are you going to watch this closely live every week now that you've done it once? Well, I mean, look, I'm going to do what I'm asked to do, but boy, that is what you call a kind of occupational hazard to to have to actually give my full attention to these shows is it's rough. It's not easy. Is it kind of like a Geneva Convention type of thing where these are against the rules of proper war? Yeah, it is. It's sort of like gassing someone in the trenches, I guess. It's like the equivalent of chemical warfare.

Well, anyway, folks, we want to thank on behalf of the Cult of Cordette members, they love you, Brian Solomon. You know they, do. I hope so. We want to thank Brian Solomon for filling in for Brian Last, who's on assignment. And once he discovers there's a hole in that boat, he'll be back on the drive-through at a couple of days. But until then, and in parting, we wish you love peace and soul and thank you, fuck you, and bye-bye, everybody.