Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 625: Gloom, Despair, and Agony

Episode Date: March 16, 2026

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite and WWE Smackdown! Plus Jim talks about the OVW referee incident, Dave Meltzer & Bryan Alvarez arguing over AEW's alleged PPV buys, and much more! Also, Jim reviews his 1993 WCW Saturday Night showdown with Cowboy Bill Watts! Thanks to our episode sponsors: SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce RAYCON:  The Essential Open Earbuds are perfect for refreshing your routine this spring. Go to buyraycon.com/jceOPEN to get 20% off! BRUNT:  Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code JCE at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/JCE #Bruntpod PRIZEPICKS:  Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/JCE and use code JCE and get $50in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Like the midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's in Connett. The keys to the future. Hell by net. ... whatsoever from the world of pro wrestling. We're going to have a fun, exciting show filled with thrills and hilarity for all. And then we'll talk about the wrestling.

And joining me for all this and more, Hawaiian Brian the podcasting line, the king of the Arcadian Bank. Guard podcast network, Mr. Co-host to you, a fiery voice, a cloud of smoke and a hearty, telly-ho. Be great. Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim, a pleasure to be here once again. I'm glad to hear you're in a good mood. We're going to have fun today, fun, wrestling talk on your show. What makes you think I'm in a good mood?

You said something. Do you said happy or fun or smart? I could be putting up a brave front because the whole world is the shit. said, I'm miserable. See? But you wouldn't be able to know because I'm that kind of person I can turn it on, baby. When a red light come, do we have a red light here on this program and this apparatus? Or there's a green light on my microphone. I can't see it because of the dust covered.

When it comes on, baby, I'm on. I'm up. I got to come through for the people, for the cult of Corvette. Even though really I'm wallowing in a sea of misery and disqualification. despair, gloom, despair and agony, oh me. Deep dark depression, excessive misery. If it weren't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all. Gloom, despair, and agony, oh me.

I'd like to send out a special blessing to the late R.G. Campbell. All right. You really took the spirit out of this show. Well, it's haunted. It's haunted. It's hated, as Aunt Lola would say. It's got the haints in it. The wrestling industry is snake bit as a whole, I have come to realize.

We're going to talk about a variety of things here today, but many of the current ones aren't going to be that up-tempo, so we're going to balance that out with some classic shit that might be fun. But real quick, just from the readers, the readers, the listeners. I've been reading the writing. of the listeners. They've written to me. And Alex Khalil, a long-time cult of Cornett member,

who always signs off with fuck Vince Rousseau, so we know he's dedicated. He lost his grandfather recently. He had been in bad hell since he fell off his lawnmower. He was 87 years old. It broke his neck and had to

go to the retirement home. But they loved listening to Jerry Clower. Because his grandfather was a big fan, and they would drive around when he was a kid. He was listening to his tape and et cetera. And then when he passed away, Alex started listening to Jerry Clower again. So how? We want to send you sympathies on your grandfather.

And poor Jerry Clower, I just recently found out. You may have been the one to tell me, passed away, didn't he? Like Jerry Clower? Yeah, like 20 years ago or whatever. I mean, I don't remember talking to you about him anytime recently, but I don't remember him being alive anytime recently either. Well, that's the thing is I think I got Randy

Atgered on him too. But anyway, and Steve from Sacramento wondered if you could give a shout, this is a quote, I'm reading the email, if you could give a shout out to my wife, Katie, who's having a hysterectomy on March 18th. Without going into too much detail,

her uterus has to go. It's done nothing but cause her crippling pain her whole life. We're both in our 30s. We don't want any kids. So we won't miss the damn thing anyway. But if you could wish her a successful surgery and a smooth recovery. And Steve, again, thank you. Well, why, Katie?

You're the one who's going to have the smooth or the slick recovery or the greased. I wish you a slick path. What are you saying? recovery, a slick smooth is what I'm so, smooth recovery. Greased. Smooth and slick recovery.

Well, there's going to need to, by necessity, they'll need to be some grease involved. I like this email. I don't want to say too much, but here's everything that's about to happen. Well, anyway, and also, you know, to both of you, we wish

a happy and Mary and joyful recovery over all of those things. That's right. The show will get better. What did we've just started? It almost has to, doesn't it? Just giving them something to look forward to. Oh, so there's some hope they can cling to. Like the carrot and the stick.

They dangle the carrot and you get the stick. And I want to say something here at the top of the program real quick. There has been for the last year or so, and I mentioned it last year, and we made a contribution, and Stace and I did back then, but there's been a go-fund me for Dutch Mantell that his daughter, Amanda, has organized and is overseeing because Dutch and his wife, Kathy, they've been married 50-something years, but they both had to move to assisted living over the last year and they had a number of

health issues. Kathy's not doing real well right now. I mean, you can go to, I'm not going to list chapter and verse their medical reports, but you can go to GoFundMe and type in, as we usually do. For Dirty Dutchman Tell, it'll come up. There's not two of them. And you can see some of the problems they've been having, but they're both at assisted living. Kathy's been back in a hospital, and in Dutch, went to the hospital for a few days at least here, just recently for a problem that medicine that the VA hospital had prescribed him.

But a point that brings up, that's something I, we didn't mention the last time. Dutch is a veteran. He was in Vietnam before he became Dutch Mantell. And Amanda has still had problems with the Veterans Administration authorizing this or agree to pay for that or whatever. and they've still got a lot of out-of-pocket costs. If your government tells you to go somewhere and let people shoot at you, should you have to worry about any health-related bills and issues

when you're 70 fucking six years old or whatever he is? Yes, he is. But anyway, if anybody wants to check out to GoFund me, I just want to let people know it's still there, and there's still a need for it for the family. Brian, there may be another GoFundMe related to wrestling, just as we were about to go on the air and do this program. Don't you love my 60s radio colloquialisms?

We were about to go on the air. We were about to start this fucking show, and we were suddenly alerted to something, I guess, just happened like last night as you and I are sitting here. And they've not become our whipping boy over the last few weeks, but it's come up.

But apparently now people online are bringing attention to the fact that last night, I guess, in an Ohio Valley Wrestling TV taping or whatever they were doing over there for whatever means of distribution, a referee went into a fucking seizure, as bad as I've ever seen a person to have a fucking seizure

including all these you know boxing knockout videos and the fucking guys in the ring just kept having to match around him until like people started realizing oh shit that guy's having a fucking seizure and people started getting in the ring

to do what I don't know but apparently this is something that just happened and as I said I don't know who any of these people were in this match I've never met any of them I haven't been in that building in a decade as the kids say and I don't know who's on site

running this fucking dog and pony show but the the bloke's over at West Fabersham better have deep pockets because if this ain't a lawsuit, I've never seen one, either from this kid or from his family, because we don't know yet. All we've seen is the video that's been put out.

We don't know how the fuck he currently is. And by the way, his name, the referee's name is Dallas Edwards, apparently a longtime referee locally in Louisville, and also Stephen P. News number is 87750 Steve. you hear those. I mean, we've talked about, and this is again,

for any of these indie groups or wrestling schools or whatever the fuck, some of them often become, well, all these people want to be

wrestlers, but they shouldn't be pro wrestlers, but they want to do it. So everybody's nice to each other, and everybody gets to live their dream. And, oh, we'll find a place for a little Pismo over there, even though he's five feet one and 110 pounds. We'll put him in the ring with guys away three times as much as he does

to be moving around at least, even if he's not wrestling. He can be a referee, whatever. And much of the audience. for these regular weekly local extravaganzas that happened across the country, I'm not just picking on OVW, even though I'm describing it currently, consists of the same people who come

because they know the guys and girls or they're just, they're into the thing. But for fuck's sake, I'm not even talking about dropping K-Fabe in, and, you know, Cordette wouldn't tell people to drop K-Fave just because the guy got potatoed.

No. If anybody wants to go and watch this video, which I assume is going to be circulating because we found it, it's on, it was on TikTok or the guy's Facebook, and the guy on Facebook said, I'm not taking this shit down

because fuck these guys. This is bullshit. And by the way, it's already on TikTok. And apparently they're trying to get it taken down, obviously. Well, the one would think because it's going to be evidence

in the fucking, court case. But the point where I was going with that was, if everybody wants to get together and I'll be a friend and a group and okay, you can't let people that are not physically equipped to do certain things, do certain things. In this case, what caused this, it wasn't like he's, I'm pretty sure this guy has no prior

history of epilepsy because I can tell you this is the biggest concussion seizure that I've ever seen on camera in my fucking life. I've never seen anything like this in person who was scared a shit out of me. But when this big, whoever the fuck guy number one was

is going to dive off the top rope with a cross body or a phenomenal forearm or whatever he's trying to do and the other guy moves out of the way he's supposed to wipe out the referee. And this was his bad of a wipeout as I have ever seen. This six foot, whatever, 200, whatever pound fucking guy

just blistered this fucking referee in the middle where he went down and it, if it had to have been on the WWF, I'd say it would have been a fight in a locker room, except that this referee would have not been allowed to take this kind of thing because the size of him was ridiculous that if this guy, if he was supposed to just hit him on the way by, then that may be one thing. But if this guy cross-bodied this fucking little referee

and not only would have, I'm sure, broken some ribs if it hadn't been for the fact that his head hit so violently on the back of the mat that it knocked him completely fucking unconscious, and he's laying there motionless. and then the guy that landed on him crouches over him and you could tell he's saying like oh shit sorry

what's the guy's name the referee Dallas Edwards sorry Dallas you okay well he's obviously not getting an answer because the guy is fucking unconscious and he's still there asking until the other guy that he's wrestling comes and picks this guy up as

here we go, and then he leaves him. And then, I mean, it's blatantly obvious this guy's not moved. Okay, they might be, well, we knocked out Dallas. Then he starts turning over sideways and his legs stiffens up and starts shaking in the air and his arm. And I mean, I can go back to the goddamn, the video that I have been watching several times over the, let's see what the timing is on this. Brian, hold on here a second, because it's got the little time counter at the bottom. So the crossbody happens at two fucking seconds. And he's

saying, you okay, you okay? And then the other guy gets him and he picks the guy up, they do a drop behind spot and a spin kick. And now the other guy lands right next to the referee and gets tangled up and his leg. It is like, get out of the way. Now the guy's leg is up in the air shaking, and he's his seizing. And the big fat guy in the red comes in and body slams. The other guy that just fucking killed the referee. And they're contend now is the guy's arms and legs are flailing. And they're all just fucking wandering around. The other guy on the apron is looking at him. The announcers are still calling it. Now the guy in red holds the guy. So the bald guy pulls the referee out of the way and kicks him backfooted so that he can get out of the way

of the back fist spot while the guy's arms are stuck up in the air like road killed shaking that was it 56 seconds and then people start you but the camera won't shoot this part because somebody in the master control has said up we're don't don't don't shoot you this, he's dying or whatever, but you can see people going toward the guy to start to help him and then the clip shuts off. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And the announcers were calling, the announcers picked up on, oh boy, Dallas is, it seems hurt, et cetera. Number one, they got a hundred people in this fucking audience. And no, no, would be talking about this television show that they just produced at all except for the fact that they may have killed somebody on it.

And there was no reason why when the guy went down, the other guy was checking on him and couldn't get anything when they continued if, let's see, what could have happened? one of the other two stupid motherfuckers could have got in there and said look he's not moving somebody from the back could have queued somebody to go the cameraman is wired the floor camera guy he's standing right there put your camera down tell him fucking stop the announcers i assume are wired they used to be somebody from the back could have given them authority stop it and if I had been the announcer as I was on this program in a previous era, I would have seen within 10 seconds, stop it. But nobody's, they're watching, and none of the people,

the people, there's nobody's even stood up in the crowd. They have killed this audience with this subpar amateur bullshit to the point where nobody even cares where the guy's dying or not. Or they're like, is this part of the show? Nobody in the building noticed for 54 seconds or whatever that they'd kill this fucking guy. Hopefully not, but they tried their best. Not only did the guy land on him and give him the concussion and or whatever spinal

neuro problems that has manifested itself here, then they kept on working when he's laying there immobile and then when he starts moving like a possum that's just been run over in the middle of fucking street this one idiot drags him out of the way and kicks him sideways while his hands are contorted in the air like and he's shaking get out of the way i got to do my fucking finish they don't need stephen p new a small town bird lawyer can take this video right there

if anybody in this whole fucking mess is insured and own the insurance company. You know, that's one of the things, too. We're not talking about this happening at some random independent show or for an independent promotion or, you know, for a wrestling school. We're talking about OVW, which made a big deal out of being accredited as a training facility. Well, no, hold on. They were accredited by the state. as a trade school.

So that means, well, they're getting experience with camera positions or with television production or with whatever the fuck to as well as all these things. You can't accredit somebody to teach this fucking five foot three hundred and twenty pound guy. Well, now that now that I say the guy that landed on him, he ain't that big either. Now that I see him next to two grown adults because the guy that fucking drugged the dying referee out of the way to do his spot is twice the size of both of them. What the fuck?

There's nothing about being state accredited that prepares you for this instance. I've never seen anything this bad for me by getting hurt in a ring. I've seen a few of those boxing videos or the fucking, you know, the thing where they run head first into each other in Slovak. or whatever goes on. But I've never seen anybody in the ring act like that in my life. But so, but the point is, for almost a minute,

nobody could figure out the partner that's kneeling on the apron of the ring over there of fucking look it in. Like, well, should I mention this? What the fuck is he doing? Wherever this happens in Romania, or, you know, Pittsburgh or OVW or wherever.

These are the stupidest people I've ever seen. And when you get in over your fucking head, people have laughed at me. When I said, we used to have the training camps, we would take applications. Because we wouldn't let people that were not physically equipped to do certain things in the ring to do certain things.

I mean, Brian Hilderbrand makes this poor kid look like Lex Lugar. And I'm not trying to say he should never have an opportunity to live his dream. Don't do spots with a goddamn, we never heard a referee in six fucking years. If it was a referee bump, it was a shoulder tackle, or he kicked off out of the fucking roll up. Oh, my gosh, not, I'll dive off the top rope and squawks. you. Yeah, what was the plan? I don't know what the plan was.

He did a shoot cross-body to someone who clearly couldn't catch him. And it starts so quickly with the setup and a little fucking TikTok graphics on the screen. But he was the, the big guy that later on kicked the hurt referee out of the way, pulled the referee into the move that the guy was doing off the top rope. so it was playing part of the festivities, he'll pulling the referee in the way of this fucking thing. But what he was going to hit him with, he looks like he's doing a phenomenal forearm,

but he ended up giving him a shoot crossbody where he landed with all of his weight on this fucking guy in the most devastating way possible. And his head just smacks right against the ground. You know, Jim, I just found extended footage. I'm curious how they covered this. Apparently this was a creator sports network simulcast.

Good Lord. So whoever that was, this went out live to whatever the OVW audiences. So here's from the sim. And you know, that's what I said, when all these fucking investors got into it, then things got a lot more glorious creator sports live stream of something that a hundred people of their immediate friends and family came to watch and they pretty much have given

ample evidence to the legal authorities should this young man's family want to get pissy about it to do it in front of what? 316 people around the world on the internet. I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm just, I get pissed off. And I can't blame you.

Go ahead. This was your company. This was your building. And this is what's happening. Don't blame me. This is what's happening there now. You know what? I wish Danny Davis had a guy.

Danny Davis would have been in there within 16 seconds and fucking cussing at everybody. Call an ambulance. Well, the video appears after this is all happening. They keep the cameras on. So the wrestler that kind of kicked the referee over, he's sitting on the bottom turnbuckle in the corner. It's the only corner they're showing,

and you see various people kind of with their heads close to the mat. Obviously, they're upset about what they're seeing, but we're not seeing it. But let's go to the audio and just hear how it was covered. Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have a medical situation, obviously, taking place in the ring right now. Obviously, things kind of happen. So for the safety of our performers, we're going to stop down here. And I tell you what, we'll see you Sunday, March Mayhem.

We're going to go ahead and go off the air at this point. Thank you for tuning in. We'll see you Sunday. Thanks for tuning in tonight. And that's how they went off the air. Well, and again, in all seriousness, we hope this young man's all right. He did nothing wrong.

He may have been the only person involved in this that did nothing wrong. But it just, it's become a fantasy camp environment, not only in OVW, but in all of these they all want to mimic and copy the big promotions

in terms of what they do and how they try to present everything but in doing so they come off as ridiculous low rent copies and they're still trying to do all the dangerous shit that even the fucking professionals get hurt doing. And I'm saying, you know,

the announcer there, I don't know who the announcer was, he sounded like he was 17 years old. It's just, if you want to teach the basics and the storytelling and play wrestling and everybody gets a chance to run the camera and be part of the crew and rah, rah, then somebody has to put a cap on them as far as what they're trying to do in physicality or the risk element or the dangerosity or however the fuck you want to phrase it

body slams and hip tosses in the ring and backdrops and stuff like that's okay that's part of wrestling if everybody is a goddamn legitimate age and halfway decent physical condition where you think they're not going to snap in half or have a heart attack, then basic local pro wrestling, fine. But when you're letting people who dream of doing something more than they ever legitimately actually need to be doing it, start fucking doing all this shit, then it's, no, at some point you have to tell people, look, If you want to be here and have fun, fine, but you don't need to be doing certain shit.

Or who was, you know, who is there to oversee this shit when something like that goes wrong? If it was my days, I was the boss as well as the announcer. I could have said in five seconds, stop that. Danny Davis was the owner as well as the producer on headset in the control room, he could have said in five seconds, stop that. What was the chain of command here? Who is in charge on these tapings if something like this happens?

Or is everybody left up to let somebody else be the first one to say it? Because I don't have the authority. The announcers, they're just part of the crew like the wrestlers, the referees. The cameraman's there watching his fucking. guy. Can't he say something to anybody? That's why I'm saying, who's in charge? Is Al Snow off on a meeting with the people in West Fabersham? Who does he leave in charge? What the fuck is going on around here? Anyway, I just started all over again, didn't I? Well, you know, it's one of the problems. When you were in OVW, you had Danny Davis, you had Rip Rogers, various other people

who would come and help who had to adhere to the protocol that you guys, set up. Well, but not even adhering to a protocol like it's against our better judgment, but they'd want us to stop this when this guy's, you know, swallowing his tongue. But you know what I mean. Common sense. It was professionalism.

It was, and again, a lot of people saw a Cordette would get mad at them if they broke K-Fabe in the middle of a match. Not when it's obvious like this. Everybody should immediately go whoa, whoa, and somebody besides the wrestlers, unless one of them's gimmick is a goddamn

EMT should be sliding in there a lot quicker than that to help his fucking guy out. That's what I'm, it's not, and this would be for any other independent promote, I won't say any other, I've seen some Lollapaloozes, but any legitimate wrestling school or independent promotion that I've been involved with over the past number of years that was on the ball would have had something going on before this, it just, was everybody just afraid to be the one to say, oh, golly, stop the show. What were you going to say? I don't even know.

That's the latest OVW news. It's a sad thing, not even just OVW, just a state of independent wrestling and the wrestling training schools. And it's hard for the business when there's no foundation, whether it's a foundation of knowing how to work or a foundation of just having voices who are going to tell you things you don't want to hear that are right. And it doesn't seem like there's a lot of that. And

you question the people that run these schools and these systems what they know and understand even if they've been around for a long time it's just a sad state of affairs there aren't a lot of options and i mean this is as minor league as minor league could be and hopefully this guy sues the shit out of everyone involved they all deserve it and you know i just thought of something for saying well people saying well that's small times to remember in a e w it was like five years ago, six years ago when they first started, that they knocked the guy out and then grabbed him by the leg and drug him out of the way

so they could keep their match going and they got heat for that. The dark order, that's right. That was a daily's place. Okay. And for people who remember that and may have seen that, but haven't seen this thing we've just been talking about, this is like 12 times worse. This is a goddamn, this is...

Oh, no, no, if this happened on AEW TV, there would be no, I think Tony Kahn and AEW. would be getting killed from everyone right now. If this happened on AEW TV, they'd be getting canceled. And or Shad Khan would be sued into bankruptcy. And that's, again,

it can happen. Jesus Christ, this guy, he was too small. And the guy, even if the guy was going to nail him and go past him, it's not a spot you do with these fucking young, point being, this is intricate, flare steamboat kind of timing for two kids in a wrestling ring kind of fucking execution.

But they were still in a ring. And he was just coming off the top rope on AEW on a given or in WW now on a given television program. How many times do you see a guy coming off the top rope onto the floor and they're taking the bumps and I know they got the pads but there's the metal rail or the wooden desk and multiply that over and over and over and see what of these days. Well, now I don't even want to just mention my ring-worn stuff that's going to go on sale at Jimcornet.com.

But, well, this is the spot that I had for it originally in the program before we found out that this poor guy got his bell rung, as they say. But the bell will ring on March 21st. You'll be able to log on to Jimcornet.com and see the ring worn and used type of things where I've cleaned the closet out. We've been talking about this past few weeks. My last rackets that I have actually used, I don't hit people over the head anymore. My legitimate eyeglasses that I've worn at various eras.

I got a nice combo where my T&A trading card and the tie that I was wearing in the picture on T&A trading card, you get both of those shirts and jackets and ties and all kinds of fom for all. And you can see the listings because each of these things obviously is one of a kind. So you can see the listings on the 21st and scope out what you might be interested in. And then the sale starts Saturday, April 4th at noon, eastern. And then you're just

trying to elbow people out of the way to get what you want, folks. But that's the fair way to give everybody a look before we throw open the floodgates, Brian, and let everybody have a piece of... You know, you could actually theoretically, if you keep these things in the future, you could clone me. Oh, boy, isn't that something to look forward to?

Well, even though they have been cleaned, there's still some, you know, various DNA from my interaction with these items. So if you keep them long enough in a plastic bag, sooner or later, you could have me. Would you like there to be a humanoid Jim Cornett like they're making an AI humanoid Antonio Inoki to teach to future children, the future generations? Only if he does my bidding.

Because see then... He has to urinate on people's graves? What does that mean? Well, no. See, if there was a humanoid Jim Cornett, he could do a lot of things that Jim Cornett would like to do, but Jim Cornett, the human, not the oid. don't want to get caught and busted for and pay to pay the penalty for

due to boarding with the warden and live on the bounty of the county whereas the humanoid what fuck's 50 or 75 years in jail for him see I really wish Bobby Heenan was around just so he can call someone a humanoid and they could finally say you're right, you figured me out

I am a copy Tiger Da I am the Antonio-Oakianoid. I didn't touch that money. It was Shinma. Go talk to him. I'll be in the diet. And we're not talking the caloric diet,

but the senatorial diet. How come all of the fucking people in the Japanese diet look like they're in good shape, but all our people in a senator, a bunch of fat-head fucks? Vince, I gave you a million dollars. where is Hogan? I wanted Hogan.

I like this. We can get weeks and weeks. If they really introduce this robot, this could be the greatest thing for the podcast ever. And then also he gets, does he come with, when they marketed my figures, they,

we said, it comes with whack and racket. Well, does he come with a slapping hand, extra big right hand for slapping? I guess it would have to. Now that you think of it, even think about that aspect of it. We'd have to

give the Truanokee learning experience slap people in the face. Yeah, so it's got to come from around the side, so they've got to refigure the shoulder joint, and then it can just slap the fuck out of all the other action figures. But you know, Brian, everything that we've just been talking

about, it comes down to communication. If you want to be able to tell the robot, Android, humanoid, what your commands are, what to say, what to do, you've got to communicate. If if things go wrong in a wrestling ring, it would be good if people could communicate. Because what we have today in society is a failure to communicate.

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running over you. I didn't think about a flying wrestler wiping you out. Yeah, why these examples, I'm not so sure. Ricky Steamboat never killed a referee. These are indeed essential open earbuds and, you know, more importantly, knowing that the humanoid android revolution is coming, you're going to want to listen to your favorite music. That'll be one of the things to relax you as the apocalypse is upon you,

but you're also going to want to be aware of your surroundings. You're going to want to be aware of what's going on around you when you're sitting there in your six-by-eight cubicle and the humanoids and the AI have taken over the world and you're merely being kept around for purposes of harvesting sperm for the worker drones. AI. You can listen.

The AI. Antonio Inoki. It all makes sense. He's going to be in charge. Yeah, it all makes sense. And he'll come out and once a day he'll come around and slap everybody. Keep them awake.

That's right, Jim. If you listen to earbuds, why not these? Because these cost half as much as those fancy Dan brands, but they're just as good. It's just that the fancy Dan brands have a lot of overhead and expenses, whereas the Racon essential open earbuds just have jackoffs like me

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All right, let's talk about AEW. We've killed enough time. Let's get through this so we can talk about something fun. But they tried again this past Wednesday. And they were in beautiful downtown San Jose, California, Brian. what that means, that means they were right down the road from Campbell by the sea, and Uncle Dave was front row. I thought he was trying to disguise himself and maybe, you know, like you see on the army movies when they're going to be creeping around at night, they smear mud on their face. He put

this dark mud all over the top of his head, so I thought he was trying to keep from reflecting light so that he wouldn't be seen. But then somebody told me I was just his hairdo. Well, his hair die, I guess you would say. It is jet black. Oh, his hair his hair do, his hair, his hair died. You know, naturally it becomes a story when

Dave Meltzer appears ringside at AEW and he did several times here at one point he was having a face-to-face showdown with Okada and then you realize Okada didn't even know he was there. He was just walking by. But he was sitting next to a lot of seemingly Uthai younger people and his hair was darker than theirs were.

Well, you know, that's a, that's a byproduct of a lot of tanning time out on the, on the beach there. He's always been a California guy. So he's, the sun brings out the pigment in his hair. It gets darker as he gets older. You didn't know that? I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

Well, you ever see, you're on the other, on the other side of the beach. See, it works in opposite for you. What does that mean? see you're on the east coast beach you start out dark and get light he's on the west coast beach he starts out light and gets dark it's simple physics simple yeah i completely understand it because you're going all the way around the world clearly this is like hoagin clearly all right when they were they were missing somebody either either the melzer situation also coincided with the first time in forever that sock face excalibular has missed a television broadcast.

I'm wondering if, is this a Billy Jack Haynes and Chris Adams situation between Excalibur and Meltzer? Because, you know, it just seems odd. I don't know exactly why. I don't know if he's ill or what it is, but he wasn't there. I will say it was, I think,

the best commentary they've had on dynamite in a long time. And Chivani's still terrible. But with Rickabani, it was very interesting. He's not as unbearable as he is with Excalibur. And maybe it's because of the mile a minute selling you micro-machine style of commentary. But with Rickabani, the fact that there were three of them there, you weren't overwhelmed by the talking. I thought it was pretty good. Obviously, Rickabani is somewhat more polished and professional than sock face, but also the problem that they still,

had Tony do the welcome and bless Tony, but his voice is shot. He just, I don't think he ought to be the lead voice. And Ian has a pulse and a vocabulary. I believe they should, well, I mean, he should replace Excalibur with no doubt. But anyway, it was nice to hear. And Brian Danielson is an adult, but he's an adult and just way too pleased with what's going on. And Tony is a senior citizen that just chimes in

every once in a while because he probably really doesn't even like this shit but he just doesn't know what to say. Ian is a younger, still polished professional announcer but is younger with the hip kids and at least can speak

to this generation of people. Younger with the hip kids. Younger with the hip kids. kids. All right. Anyway, so again, first off on the show, we get Moxley in some

formation of his contingent. But the whole group was standing out in an empty courtyard and then just walked up the steps into the building. It's a beautiful old building there in San Jose. Been hosting wrestling for nearly 100 years, but it looked like the front

steps of the courthouse or a library. And there was nobody. outside of you. There's no, it's why at this point? Can't they just have their own locker room but put them in the fucking building? Is there a reason why they just stand out

on the side of the street? And it doesn't have the same impact when the sun is out. Yeah, in the daylight. Just middle of the day. There's Moxley and his group of homeless wrestlers. They just stand around on the side of the street in the daytime.

Yeah, it doesn't have the same impact when you're like, man, it's only 5 p.m. What are they doing so early? So anyway, it was Dick the Boozer and Claudio against Chichichia. And our friend, I'm not going to call him Take a Shit anymore.

I'm just going to call him TAC. Tack? Tack, short for Takeshta. All right. Tack. I thought you were going to take. I mean, you made Take your thing and now you're just completely abandoning the Take a Shitta part of the

The thing that you're introduced into popular culture. Well, I was just going to shorten it up. But okay, I'll stick with take. I just thought it would be nice to give him a nickname. Tack! But what the, I mean, again, and let me say one more thing about Ian Rickabon. Now that I put him over and praised him and petted on him and everything,

as Tini would say, was he embalmed on the on-camera? The makeup, Ian. unless you are sleeping in a hyperbarant chamber or something, get out in a fucking sun or do something. I don't know what to say. But it, that seemed to be it,

he had just a touch of whatever happened to baby Jane to it. So, I'm just telling you, it was my only criticism. He's a big fan of pre-death cryogenics. Yeah, I'm just, So the horseman here, Moxley's group and the Don Phallis family supposedly have a big rivalry, right?

Well, it's a, boy, it's like Don's family and the death riders, whatever their fucking name is. They have a match every week. But here's the question, Brian, do they ever do angles to build a match? or promos to sell a match? Or do they just do a different fucking match every week? Yeah, because it's been a while since you said, didn't we see this last week? And that was weeks ago at this point.

They do a different match. They never do real angles unless you consider, for instance, the post-match here to be an angle. Well, I mean, but every... That's a thing. You can't say it's an angle when every match ends with an angle, then it just becomes part of the match.

It's not like anything stands out. out. No matter what the finish is at AEW, chances are the heels are going to get back up and beat the shit out of them and then there's going to somebody else is going to run out and a blah. But there's no like we did a shocking, surprising out of the ordinary thing to these people. And now for the next week or two, we're going to crow about it. But then they're going to come back and say they're pissed about it. And some way or another, we're going to work in a. of some kind of match that favors them

and we're going to advertise that heavily for a week or two or three or four if it's on pay-per-view or just have a goddamn fucking endless matches every week amongst different combinations of the five guys in one group and the 12 guys in the other group.

And can you give me a simple answer as to why do they have a problem with each other? I don't know. What is the root of their problem? Why do they have this issue? Well, see, I don't know why that people just started cheering Moxley again because he just started saying complimentary things about the company on interviews. No, because he started losing matches. Well, and also he finally got beat for a while. They didn't want to see that.

But there was no change of heart or philosophy. And so we don't know what he was really trying to do when he was trying to take over AW. and now we don't know why the unless he's mad that there's more people in the other group and they're trying to take over AEW. I guess that's a catch-all reason. But anyway, this match, 20 minutes into the show before it's over with,

Moxley and Take are laying out on the floor somewhere and Claudio's just wrestling the masked fellow and then they do a spot where Hitchitchia almost runs into the referee, but both of them fakely react. Chia just stops and freezes like a Central Park mime

while the referee over-exaggeratedly puts his arms over the top of his head and bends over. And then when the Chia turns around Claudio pokes him in the eye and small packages, in one, two, three, and the fans booed it because it was so obvious that it was

bullshit boot it. Because they were like, no, bullshit. And they always do that because they these referee deals that they do, they do the opposite. Instead of legitimately laying the referee out and hurting him, they do shit that's so obviously

phony that the referees have to overreact to. Remember a couple of shows ago it was MJF with Kevin Knight? He just reaches up and pushes the referee's leg with his foot and the referee spins away and hangs himself on the rope and sells his shoulder or they do the spot either the WVE the other night where they almost ran into the referee twice and then actually ran into the referee.

So you can almost run into the referee for a little spot, but then if you almost run into the referee and then run into the referee, you've got to people watching to see if you're going to run into the referee. And then they're going to shit on it because it's going to look phony. And so in this case, they're doing this tease thing. Jesus, H. Christ.

It never looks good. The referees are not, let's say none of these guys are Tommy Young, but it's also we didn't ask him to do overly contrived bullshit. If you want to flummox a fucking referee, do a fucking kickout where he gets momentarily flummoxed and poke a guy in the eye. Or if you want to bump him, just move and let the other guy's shoulder tackle him. those are fairly foolproof. So they booed the finish.

Then Archer and Davis came in and stopped Claudio, but Moxley decided to get back in the ring, and they stopped him, and I swear to God, this was some of the fakedest, the most just lackluster, blasé heat, quotation marks, heat, that I've ever seen. And then... Everyone's blows looked like shit. Oh, just...

Gras. Archer with his cast. Oh, my God. girls fighting in the, you know, recess is what it looks like. And it's embarrassing. And then the heels all tried to get take to hit Moxley with a chair while they held him. But he thought about it and thought about it. And he threw it down and didn't want to do it.

And then he was telling the other ones not to do it. And the announcer said, yes, he said that he wants to win this thing on his own and blah, blah, blah. But they had a boring argument pantomime while Moss. Oxley was just laying there forever. And where was the rest of his fucking gang that was out with him in the empty courtyard? Where was fucking useless? And where was the other fucking guy?

And where was... I checked the toilet. And then they... When take a shit and finally said, no, you guys go ahead and leave. But then he looks down makes the stagey belt motion and points pointedly at Moxley

lay in there and then he leaves with him. And it was, not only did I think it was awkward, but to people were like, well, is something going to happen? We're not sure what happened. So that was that. We've seen a lot of the conflicted mute Takesha over the last few months with him and Okada and now this, there have been a lot of conflicted.

It seems like the babyface turn his coming moments with the Cowus family over the years, Osprey, who just nicely asked to leave and was told, yeah, sure, why not? And then, of course, that was just their way of setting it up. Omega. Now, this is

building to something. Yeah, again, it was pretty embarrassing when the heel group ran in there. Lance Archer, who I just randomly there at times, and other times he's not there, and he runs in there and he's throwing the worst-looking things, and he's using, if it's because he's wearing a

that he can't throw a punch, that he shouldn't. But again, I don't know what they were everyone. The thing is, that's why he was, that was part of the heat. I'm hitting him with this hard cast, you know, so he hit him with a hard cast. Well, and in that case, then you get in the middle of the ring and everything else stops and you grab the guy, you draw back, and you've won that looks good. And then everybody can be shocked and react to it instead of just part of this endless parade of meaningless motion.

Well, we're back to a moxley open. opening match. Right. Last week was the big break. We had MJF versus Kevin Knight. And now we're back to Moxley opening up the show. I think MJF pulled strings to say, let me get on first before they spoil everything in the world and then get out of here, so I don't get any on me. But now we're back to Moxley being put in that position. He's going to get some on him. I'm going to get it all on me. At least he gets out before the quarter hours start dropping. I wish we We still got those.

All right. Moving on, the next contest was for the T&T title, Kyle Feltcher defending against Hong Kong Fooey. What is Tony's fascination with these? He spent five years shoving the guy that sticks his hands at his pockets down our throat. was never funny, was never entertaining, was a joke and an insult. And Tony pushed him and dressed as him as Halloween or at Halloween. Is this the next mascot that he's going to push to the moon despite all common sense aside?

It couldn't get over if you filled him up with helium? Who is he going to dress as? If Tony dresses as spitball Bailey for Halloween this year, we're going to have our answer on what's going on here. By the way, Tony, you should totally do that and take lots of pictures and please do that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure he's, you might not be. Hey, guys, I know all about speed balls.

Anyway, um, I can be eight ball. Kyle came out wearing two belts and he's in the group with old O'Boring and he came out with him and he was wearing two belts and they rang the bell on this thing and obviously I'm sorry I Kyle still has potential

and a future if he can get out of the middle of this mess but I ain't watching as it turned out 19 minutes of spitball for anybody. And that's what they got to play indie wrestler for 19 minutes. Kyle is a supposed main eventer and future one of the pillars of their company. Did they give up on pillars? What of the future top main event fugging superstars of their company?

Yeah, a few of those pillars fell down. Yeah. But now this is what they're building and he's big and he's got the belts and a blah, blah, blah, blah, and he in 19 minutes couldn't beat sweet Polly Pure Bread. And then at that point, Okada jumps up with a screwdriver. Shouldn't it be a disqualification if your cornerman or manager jumps up with a fucking screwdriver? Yes, it should be.

I mean, it used to be a draw the referee. I'd jump up on the apron. He'd come over, get down, you must get down. if I've got a fucking screwdriver. So the referee goes there. Davis runs down. So now it takes Kyle two of his cohorts to beat again, this minute little offensive nerd.

Davis runs down, hands Kyle a title belt, and Kyle swings the thing a foot over the top of Bailey's head and Bailey went down like he'd been shot. Whose fault is that? Sometimes I would, I would, let me say this. I'm not going to affix any blame right now, but I can tell you it's probably a combination, but it would be one of two things.

If the guy swings the belt right and you anticipate it because you're nervous about it and you lean backwards, he put his hands up too, so he was obviously nervous about it, but if the guy takes the bump underneath it and instead of where, you know, if the guy swings where your head is

and you bump too soon and he goes over, that can be your fault. Or if the guy swings too high and you put up your hands where your head were and you just go anyway, that's kind of both, but in all honesty, if a guy that you're letting do this finish

can't take the belt and run and whack the guy over the head in a working way without the guy putting his hands up, I don't know why you're letting him do it. Because it's not like that it's all, and when you put your hands up like that, it does prevent some of your eyesight from seeing where the thing's fucking going.

But goddamn, Again, you ought to be able to take the fucking belt and in some way or another working, whack this fucking guy where he goes down without him having to fucking cover up like he sees a cannonball coming at him. So I don't know what the fuck they're doing, point being. But then that's the thing.

Not only does he swing it over the, and he goes over his head and a guy takes the bump and boom, but then he picks Bailey, up and gives him the brain buster and pins him one, two, three. You've just, you're a heel, you've just used a foreign object to knock the guy out whether your work looks like shit or not, it's another matter.

Why would you pick up, you wouldn't be able to pick up a fucking guy you had just knocked unconscious with a forward object for a brain buster? Because he'd be dead weight. Instead of taking the heat from knocking a guy with the fucking belt, boom, cover one, two, three, he picks him up to give him his move.

Well, that's what this match was, it was moves. And, you know, for the people like us who think speedball, Mike Bailey looks a little ridiculous in there with heavyweights, having long competitive matches where they can't beat them. On the other side, there are fans who think, hey, these two guys, no matter what the size and weight, went out there and worked 20, and gave us a lot of near falls and exciting moments Big moves Big moves

kick out of everything No matter who you are You have the strength And the intestinal fortitude To get out of anything Until you know Near the end It was a long match

And clearly they liked it in the room But maybe that's part of the story There's I think a bit of a disconnect right now And we talked about the fact That AEW is doing a better job Of pleasing AEW fans The kind of fans who like

Speedball Mike Bailey And want him in long competitive matches matches with, like you said, Kyle Fletcher, future of the company, if he stays there, one of the guys. But I don't know if the interest is there beyond that base. They're making their base happier, but they're not bringing new people in, and they're not causing people to stay. I mean, it's been a little bit of a story that their YouTube numbers have been significantly down, and I think that there is right now a lack of interest in AEW more than ever before

from people who are not already AEW fans. It's just they're getting the people that have already been there more into what they're doing. So they're reacting better, but it's not growing. Like there's no growth right now. Well, now, come on, Brian, the head-mouth organ of AEW. Uncle Dave would disagree with you on that.

He says they're closing the gap with the WVE because, It's just, WrestleMania sales are down from last year, whereas the collision ratings are up from last year. So they're clearly closing the gap is what he's saying. But Uncle Dave was right there on the front row and he gave this match five stars.

Five stars, five star match. Five stars. And that is why they will never grow. They will never grow because Tony gets, the feedback that he wants and the praise and the pet non that he wants from Uncle Dave, who is the guru of all the indie-rific, hey kids, let's put on a show kind of wrestling. And that's for the kind of people who like that kind of thing. That's kind of thing they like.

And they've decided they're going to do even more of it. And it's certainly a strategy because, the WWE we've said is boring us to death and making tens of hundreds of millions of dollars but it's a long show but not a lot in it but when the main event guys get involved and interact it makes sense

you understand who's on whose side and why they're mad things like that and they sell you the big events for Tony and the people with the afflictions that he and Dave and other people have where it's just we're going to go out there and do everything

we've ever done before, everything we've ever seen anybody do and everything we've ever thought of every fucking week. And we'll just, and we'll just do more of it. And that's where they're at now. And, you know, they may be getting some of their unhappy fans that they had a year or two ago back because they've they've had a break

from all of the everything everywhere all at once but nobody and the death riders on top that not being the head writers on top not being a thing as a big component and AEW fans being happy again yes but what's the next thing they're going to get tired of because it goes on and on and on and never goes anywhere they'll do cycles with this same basic number of people as what I'm saying, but they've got no breakout stars and they can't make any

because they don't know how to make stars. All they know how to do is have indie matches. And even their stars only have indie matches. So they can't, they can get their devoted fans to spend a large amount of their time and money, but they can't get, appreciable numbers more of the devoted fans with this type of thing that they're doing here. You know, when you think about what the Observer was

30 years ago and the fan base for it, and not just then, but specifically looking at then, it was the people into the high-quality matches, it was people into the great promos, it was people into the big angles. If you're a fan of the AEW style of wrestling, you only get one of those. You're not getting the great promos.

I don't care what anyone says. Yeah. Because it's also about the setting and how things are set up. And again, that goes into the great angles. You don't get the great angles. You rarely get angles. And when you do,

it's almost like a mockery of an angle. The stuff with FTR and Stokely, like it almost feels like a parody of a wrestling angle. That's the problem. A.W. against those fans the matches and that's it. I argue with you that they get great matches. They get long matches and matches with a lot of stuff in them,

but I don't think they get great matches because of the same affliction as we've been talking about. They care more about doing their stunts and getting their cool tricks in than they do about having a quality, professional, believable fucking wrestling match from start to finish. And whether it's the phoniness

that invariably comes up, like we talk about the fake looking heat or the stupid chop exchanges or the forearm trades or the ridiculous, contrived, overacting before they go through the furniture. They lose the great matches

because you can't lose yourself in them and believe what they're fucking doing. It's just a bunch of guys throwing each other through shit. So I argue they don't get either of the three. Well, I argue that's what's missing though. I mean, when you look at WWE, the things that people buzz about rarely, not that it doesn't happen, but rarely is it, the match was incredible.

Rarely. It's, did you hear what this guy said to this guy? Did you see what happened? Did you see that it's about the angles and the promos. And I'm not saying those promos are perfect. But it's the opposite of AEW and even when WW is down, you see what you see what? why that's the effect. That's what's always worked for American televised wrestling.

The matches are one thing, but you've got to get the personalities over, and then you've got to do interesting things with them. And that's what's missing from AEWTV for a lot of us. Well, and what some of them don't understand is they've put the cart before the horse in that 30 or 40 years ago or the territory days or whatever, the idea wasn't to not have a good match. But the idea was to do the angle. And then when the people paid to see the match, make it worth the money they paid to see.

It wasn't that the great matches made people want to pay to see you. It was that if you got over, in most cases, by having mediocre matches where you squashed people quickly, and then you did, got over where they cared about you, and then you did an angle with, someone else they cared about, then the match has to be great because they're paying to see it. If you have a great one, they'll come back and see it again when you rematch the son of a bitch. But just you could have put guys out there to have great matches on the card on every card every week and nobody would have cared unless you put them then in a fucking angle with somebody else they cared about and made them fucking important.

And Uncle Dave is having some breaking points, too, with one of his trusted minions. A cousin Brian is arguing now with Uncle Dave's irrational defenses of, well, I mean, it's just everything is the collision ratings are up. So fuck WrestleMania. It's just, it's constant with this guy. Well, this was sent to us by a lot of the listeners because they posted it on YouTube. and it follows up on things we've talked about, which are, you know, with AEW just announcing their streaming service on their own internationally, because of Trillers issues,

we've talked about the idea that if they truly have 140,000 people buying their pay-per-view every month, maybe there's something to be done with a streaming platform for, at a minimum, the archives, ring of honor, whatever it is. Yes, and the word, getting this 140,000 because, again, it's a privately held company, so there's not official numbers, but Tony Kahn is nice enough to report him to Dave so that he can pass him on that they always do, it seems like, about 130, 140,000 pay-per-viewbacks.

That's what's been reported publicly by Dave Meltzer recently, at least off the top of my head, that's what I think of, but let's go to this audio from Wrestling Observer Live, I believe, or Wrestling Observer Radio, Dave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez talking about the AEW pay-per-view buys, and let's see what Brian Alvarez thinks of Dave Meltzer's idea

that it's not 140,000 people buying pay-per-views every month, it's 140,000 different people who buy one pay-per-view. These people, on average, by one... I'll let him explain it, but it's pretty... Okay, okay.

It's staggering. Let's go to this. Yeah. I hate to be that guy, but can... not buy for one second that A.W. fans buy one one pay-per-view a year. How can this be? I had the 2023 and 24 numbers.

The number of people who bought every paper, this is from United States, from the major cable companies. So the people that are buying on pay-per-view through a cable company? It was covering about 60 million people, yeah. Which is a pretty darn good survey

when it comes to 60 million out of 90 million with exact numbers. Yes, it's not like this estimate or anything like that. Let me stop it there for a second. He said he's getting exact numbers from the cable companies, at least 60 million. The ones who represent 60 million people, I guess, is the way to put it. And I wonder why that they feel the need to give him this information. It's not reported anywhere else.

But besides that, yet there are 60 million people that have paper viewer were at the, at some point over the last couple years that have cable pay-per-view capability and don't do streaming or whatever like I used to before they ex-nade my cable channel off the system. But what he is trying to get Brian Alvarez to believe is that the average AEW pay-per-view buyer only buys one pay-per-view a year and therefore it's a revolving group of around 140, thousand different people every month that for the most part that buy this is what is stunning and unbelievable and what brian alvarez is having a cow about let's go back to this audio melts are an alvarez on a w pay-per-view buys so yeah whatever the numbers were you can look

them up in the back in the back issues of the observer i mean those are exact numbers every time we do a poll and the fact there's one on the front page on our board right now and like Almost everybody is like, I bought every single pay-per-view they've ever done. I buy every single one. That's on our site. We're talking about normal people. Normal people. Hold on.

Let's stop there for a moment. We're talking about normal sane people here. We're not talking about our fucking people. God damn it. What in the world? Well, let me stop me there. We're not talking about our fans. We're talking about normal people.

That's what he thinks of his fans. Oh, ha ha. I mean, it beggars just belief that, because even with the WWE, that we've talked about this, the WWE fans are a set number of really dedicated, not as many across the country as there used to be

in the attitude era or previous years, but they each will spend more money for tickets or they'll buy more merchandise or they will support or they'll watch it or whatever the fuck. And it's the same with AEW. But to think that the AEW fans, for the most part, it would be the opposite. Most of the AEW fans, one would think,

would buy all of the pay-per-views. They don't have one a month. They've got, what, nine a year or whatever, okay. It doesn't make sense it any way if you know anything about wrestling fans. Yes. Or that is he trying to say that there's a group of

six or eight or ten people that just in every town. Everywhere. This is floating party. That's for AEW pay-per-view. Yes, and they come down the street with a banner and a tubo. Wonpa, wumpa.

Here's the AEW paperview party. Which house are we going to this month? And they all converge there. It sucks to be the host. because you know they're going to be there late. Yeah, and everybody needs to save that $40 enough to feed eight people coming into the goddamn. That's...

Let's go back. We have more audio. Let's go back to Dave Meltzer and Brian Alvarez talking about the AEW pay-per-view buys. You know, I mean, the numbers are right there. I mean, I was stunned when I first saw it, but, you know, we were tracking it, we were tracking it year after year.

And it never, like when it was four, and it was only one, it was kind of like the theory, well, maybe it's four people and they rotate homes. Spoon was nine, and it was still generally one. Most people bought one a year. It tells you that most people buy one a year. It just, I mean, most people who buy a show. I'm sure that's what the number says, but when you think about it, it's like, how could

everybody buy on average one a year, yet they always do almost the exact same number of buys? Bingo! The low is about 100, and the highest about, you know, depending on the year. 175, obviously when Sting retired or the first, you know, it's usually 100 to 175. This one will be interesting coming up. Well, there it is. And you can tell Alvarez knows this is complete bullshit too. It doesn't make any sense at all.

And if Dave say he saw this from the cable companies, are we sure that the cable company is not the people that were submitting false reports from Dragon Gate or whatever or about Shabata having your brain removed? Hold on. Either the cable company kindly just provided internal statistics per Dave's request tailored to his specific question. And think of all that, we're not disputing that they do tens of thousands, if not 100,000 or whatever, buys per show.

So there's over a million buys. as they just collated this information for him to fit exactly what he wanted, or they just gave him raw data, and he with a, you know, a skeleton crew, one would imagine, went through this Epstein file-sized documentation to get the data he wanted. How do you... Well, listen, it's, you said a million. It's either AEDW sells a million pay-per-views a year to their audience,

or a million different people choose one pay-per-view I don't know how they make the decision and that's the one they watch which doesn't make any sense and how could anyone supply those numbers do those numbers need to be adjusted like the ratings were adjusted

and what are those numbers? You would have to do some kind of cross-reference for everybody that had bought pay-per-view on every local cable system to then go through and blah blah and blah and what but again it is not logical nor believable

that the majority of the, just like the majority of the people who used to buy the WWE pay-per-views when they had such a thing, they weren't buying every single one of them every goddamn month, but many people would buy most of them, and then

you get the big ones for WrestleMania and whatever to blah, blah, blah. But it just doesn't make any sense. and he's just so sure of it because he's seen the numbers from the cable. I mean, that's what he's saying. He's saying he got this info from the cable company. And again, you know, in demand's out of business now. So that means he's getting it from DISH and from the cable companies.

And if they're indicating that, then they really don't know their audience either. That's crazy. Or is this a situation where it's like, you know, okay, Paulie, you're trying to make me either believe that Jack Nicholson is a fan of our angle or you don't care because he swore on his father's life as you don't care whether your father kicks the bucket or not. Who do you believe?

What are the odds, Brian? Who can we pick? Can we be somehow proper and lucky possibly with our picks? Could we possibly have a daily fantasy. We possibly have a daily fantasy where we just fantasize daily like many of these other

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And then you're embarrassed because you were wrong. Plus, your fucking ears are ringing because somebody slapped shit out of you. That's just the way I think about it. They had a, standby match, Brian. They don't

understand what it is. They've just heard the term. So to get away, I can read Tony's mind now at this point, unfortunately. I don't know why. It's worrying me. But he doesn't want to just put a job

match, a squash match, like the marks call it, down. Because well, then he's going to be accused of being a bad booker because they're not all main events. But if he puts in a standby match, then it can be explained

where a star is wrestling to nobody because they were just on standby. Brian, when do you have the standby match? The standby match would take place after all the previously announced segments or matches, especially the main event had taken place. And the show ends early,

and that's why you've got time to fill, and therefore that's why you had a match on standby in case you needed an extra match, right? It's a time filler match, yes. They put the standby match on at 8.50 Eastern on a two-hour show from 8 to 10. Feats the purpose. Exactly.

So Brody King gets in the ring with a tweaker from Tijuana. I don't know what, this guy, I wouldn't have hired him to park cars at the venue. This is the worst-looking wrestler I've ever seen. and this is an example of when you get a guy that just shouldn't be doing complicated physical things. Brody King gave him the gonzo bomb or whatever the fuck. But he wanted 10 seconds, thankfully. But Jesus Christ, it just looks bad for the television program.

It used to drive me crazy when I was in TBS. The Crockett days, some of the appearance of some of the job guys. They were nice fellows. We tried to take care of them. But it's just unprofessional. Anyway. So then Brody said, where's swerve? Where's swerve?

He's on the floor around the ring, slapping hands with the fans, walking around the ring going, where's swerve? I want swerve. well his swerve stands up he's in the front row in a black hood with a logging chain and nobody noticed Brian how the fuck were the people in the front row sitting next to a guy covered all in black and carrying a fucking 10 foot logging chain and when Brody King's circling the ring and can't see him sitting on the front row or the people are not going on he's right over there, he walks right by him.

Maybe they thought it was Rollins. So he walks right by swerve in the front row into Black Hood with the logging chain and swerve jumps him and starts to beat him up and throws him in the ring and then takes the chain. And he's holding it like it's a Faberge egg, like it will crack into a million pieces. and he gingerly puts it around Brody's neck and acts like he's choking him and you're like, why did he do that so gingerly?

And then Brody King bows up on him and stands up in front of him and breaks the chain. That's why he was so careful with it. And then Brody was beating up swerve and choking him out, but Nana at least bless him. Now that he's a heel, he'll try to get physical. When he was a baby face, he'd just jump out of the ring when they were beating up Swerve. Now that he's a fucking heel, he comes over and tries to beat on Brody, and Brody leveled Nana and Swerve got away.

But, okay, number one, Brian, have you ever even seen on any of the world's strongest man competitions? Is it, yes, you've seen strong men and in wrestling or whatever, you break. the handcuffs or you do this or that, but that ridiculous size of that chain. Number one, nobody's breaking that. But number two, if they're going to gimmick shit,

do they not even know how to gimmick it so it won't fall apart if they fucking tug on it a little bit before the spot? I learned that 40 years ago when I got talked into letting them saw my racket halfway in half for that fucking big

goof little John and it ended up a popcorn fart as we're not going to do shit like that again if you can't work the shit properly don't do the shit don't do shit you don't know how to do as dusty would say am i making too much of this no but also who but who's there that would teach them who's there that would know and what knowledge do you want to drop on everyone to hear about it well it's not again there have been times where you gimmick chains so that like if the cage door was chained right and those are usually the smaller chains like two or three feet and the lock is on it or whatever or you want a gimmick handcuffs where a guy can snap the handcuffs and that's believable and can be done has been done.

And again, I had fault with not only the size of the chain, they're having the human being break, but even if you wanted to go that far, I don't know how they did it, but we've always had success. All you have to do, and especially in the days before high definition television or just tell them don't shoot the goddamn close up of the handcuffs,

if you're handcuffed to a guy, there are some kinds of handcuffs that have like two or three feet of chain in the middle. Have you seen those, Brian, where the guys are handcuffed, but they've got a lot of chain in the middle of them? Oh, yeah, we've seen those in A.A.W., I believe. Well, those are actually leg shackles because they got to be, if you're getting law enforcement equipment, they got to be able to walk in the leg shackles, but they can't run because they can't separate their legs very far. They can only shove it. but it's easier when you're at a worked environment handcuffed to a guy to have a little chain in the middle.

However, for the most part, when I started in the business, they were using real handcuffs that they would get because a lot of guys either knew or were off-duty sheriff's department people or they just go to the, when I got them in Smoggy Mountain, I just went to the law enforcement store and bought 10 pairs of handcuffs. they've got like three links of fucking chain in between them if that some of them are don't have any chain in the middle of them anymore you can't work with those at all those are impossible to work with but if you've got the ones with just three links of chain in the middle all you do is clip one of those links of chain and replace it with a paper clip and if you twist it up and trim it down if you twist it upright you can't see it from any distance away and it will hold for you to work around doing some things handcuffed to a guy but when time comes or the guys just handcuffed himself if he needs to snap him he can fucking snap him but it takes

a little effort to do it and that way it looks like he's doing something the same thing with the chain on a door if you're not going to do bolt cut. You want the strong man to fucking break it. Pre-cut the chain, but you gimmick it back together, but it ought to be able to be handled, at least roughly enough to put around somebody's neck without falling apart. So I don't know what these people are doing.

Have I spoiled Santa Claus for the kids, Brian? Oh, no, no. I think a lot of the kids here may already know. What do you think of how they're using Brody King? Obviously, he got the shit kicked out. out of it and choked out last week by swerve when he could have just stood up and ended the hanging at any point. And this was his big comeback, I guess, getting choked again and breaking the chain, scaring swerve. I guess that's part of the story. Swerve looked scared.

But what do you think of how they're booking Brody King? I think, well, it's, it's been refreshing that some, a big, grown guy, he's gotten a little bit better with his promos because he's had more to talk about and more time to talk. I mentioned last week that he seemed like he had a little more oomph to him in the ring. I like the idea that he's getting a number of wins and being portrayed as a dominant big guy. And truthfully, it seems to me like, and this may, this would probably help their plans, but it will probably fuck up the plans they've got, but it would help the plans they should have. I'd have Brody King

Swirve has kicked shit out of him a couple of times now I'd have Brody King beat Swirv at the pay per view and be next in line for MJF because we already have seen some of that business and it hasn't really been resolved the ill will still exist

but swerve is just at this point the people that like him like him even though he's a heel of people whatever but he could a guy like Brody King getting a win over Swerve now could do Brody King some good. Brody King beats Swerve after he's, or I'm sorry, Swerve beats Brody King after he's already beating him up a few times. That doesn't really help much at all.

Plus, MJF better not lose this belt to this nitwit page. And so you still, you need baby faces to face MJF in the title picture. I just wonder because the whole thing was about setting up swerve and Omega, who he injured because he said Brody King was more dangerous than him. Yeah, baby. Maybe Omega cost him the match because that's what I was going to say. I agree with you. Brody King shouldn't lose. Probably wouldn't help him to lose.

There's something to be done with him right now if there was ever a time. But also swerve is being set up for a top spot and has the thing with Omega. So it's almost like something has to happen to cause swerve the match, but not make it so that he just got beat. But who knows, who knows? Yeah, but then, see, that's the thing if they were all in the same kind of level,

the same kind of position, that might be okay. But it does nothing for Brody King, for Kenny to fucking help him beat swerve. He beats him by himself, that's one thing. And then if Kenny helps him, then they are going to Kenny and swerve and leaves out Brody King. and of the three of them, Brody King,

is probably the most valuable. He's going to last longer than Kenny, and he's fresher than fucking swerve, who I just lose interest in all the time because of all of the stupid shit that he's involved in, whether it be syringes, blood drinking, house burning, or fake chains. I don't know.

You know, I wanted to watch the debut of the son of Fit Finley, Ryan, I wanted to, but they put him in with pockets. The 9 o'clock hour match on this television program, the top of the 9 o'clock hour, when they ought to try again try to put one of their best feet forward, they usually put their left foot forward. Pockets and Darby Allen against Dave, Gabe, Dave, Gabe Kid and David Finley.

At first time, why are they doing this to Darby? He was one of their most popular guys. He was going for the world title. He was climbing Mount Everest. Now he's the tag team partner of the mascot wrestling mid-card guys. And then they debut, Finley, the big acquisition

in a tag team match with a partner that people barely give two shits about against the aforementioned mascot. Did you see Gabe Kidd do his crawling thing when he crawls out? I forgot to watch. Oh, you got to watch it. It's so funny.

It's the funniest thing on the show every week now. I'm sorry. I forgot because I've, I zipped ahead to the bell ringing. And I say, I'm going to watch for Finley, right? And then they did nothing for 30 seconds.

And then they all broke into a hundred mile an hour four way and went straight to the floor. And I thought, okay, between all of this nonsense, I'm not going to, I don't remember ever, seeing a David Finley match. So I didn't want this to be my first impression and just go, well, he's just bullshit like

the rest of him. So if they book him in a legitimate match where both opponents or his opponents are actually real wrestlers and they don't start to match at a four-way on the floor, I'll watch it, see if he can work. But on fast forward, this was more endier than the last. last thing was. And then they beat Darby, not pockets,

and Gabe Kidd got the pen, not Finley. So that's insane. Isn't it funny, too, that he debuts the same week that his father shows up again on NXT to be the head of a stable? Boy, they must be rubbing it in. There must have been some ill

will or something. Between Finley and the W.W.E. Because why? But nevertheless, and then after that, Roderick Strong came in and beat up the heels and switched baby face again. That's what happened there. Yeah. Did you enjoy Willow Nightingale defending the TBS title against Persephone? As we know, because we hear from angry ladies wrestling fans, it's Persephone. And it was all right. it was all right well good i'm glad so then the main event they have done everybody that i like or i want to check out or i want to watch their shit they put them opposite with or teaming with

people that i have sworn for my own sanity that i don't want to watch them try to wrestle now we we like tamaso champa we want to see some more Tomaso Champa. So they make Tomaso Champa unwatchable. But now, hold on, his booking, Brian, remind me if I miss anything. He debuted a surprise debut and got a title match the very next, not even a week later,

and in his first match there, he won the belt from Mark Briscoe. But then after that match, they shook hands. So Tomaso, Champa was a baby face. And then Tomaso Champa in his third match

in the company lost that belt to Kyle Feltcher who's a heel. Well, it was in Australia. He was a baby face in Australia. Well, but in the, I don't care if they're on Neptune. On this television program, in this universe, he is a

heel member of the heel stable with a heel manager. And then Tomaso Champa on television was talking the other night when FTR came out and they reminded everybody that they'd hated each other for 10 years because I even said you're talking about something that happened

in another company 10 years ago that was to be honest not like of earth shaking import that they do documentaries about and etc. No, the other guy that was a part of that feud right now his angle is that he sleeps on things. Yes. But they were not happy.

with each other. And then Tomaso Champa turned heel on Mark Briscoe and beat him up. And people made notice of the fact that he did the exact same thing move for move to Mark Briscoe when he turned on him that he did to old Johnny same face, his sleepy partner today when he turned on him 10 years ago or whatever. And now he hadn't been in a. company six weeks he is teaming with the guys that he's hated for 10 years after being a baby face then a fucking heel then a fucking at first a champion then an ex champion and he's

taking on mark briscoe and the kookamonga kids because since he's teaming up with ftr he's been drawn into the trampoline cowboy co-universe. So, yeah, I used to love FTR, but they're dead to me now. They're dead in the water now. And I love Mark Briscoe, and I love Tomaso Champa, but none of them are worth watching a match involving the Kukamunga kids, which involved a jumpstart and a six-way on the floor to begin. again. But that's

where we're at now with Champa in six weeks. A baby face, a heel, a champion, an ex-champion. He hates these guys. He turns on the other guy now. He's teaming with these guys. What the fuck?

Talk me down. And it was obviously a big deal for the Bucks performing in front of Dave Meltzer. That's kind of like you know, Tony Bennett singing for Cindy Adams. But yeah, that was a other bucks, Matt. We're getting a lot of the buck style of matches on this California swing. And we'll see if hopefully it does better this time than it did last time. Apparently last time

the internal chatter was it tanked the ratings. So hopefully it does better this time. Well, every time that it was external chatter, when it was public, they tanked the ratings. So why would it be the same thing now that they're not telling us? They're still tagging the ratings. We just don't hear the numbers. You know, we talk about Tony Kahn's wacky ideas about wins and losses and Loss is not mattering, and in fact, loss is helping you get over if it happens all the time. Is there any justification? How would it help Champa the way he's been booked since he got there? He's all over the place.

The week after he debuts, he was even on dynamite? No, he skipped a week. That's why I thought that his match where he lost the title was his second, but it was his third. Yeah, how does this help him? but whatever, you know, again, there's not a lot of good booking and not a lot of good angles in AEW. That's just the reality. Well, but for once, the main event ended right at 10 o'clock. And they were off the air, didn't have an overrun, I thought, until I accidentally saw somebody talking about the press conference between MJF and Hangnail Page on the,

on the internet saying, well, I'm at this press conference. And I said, I didn't see that. They saved the press conference for the overrun, but they literally ended the match and that last six man and a guy was standing in the ring, whatever,

and you'd think it's 10 o'clock, it's over with and for the DVR fans, they didn't get it. And then they did the whole press conference all in the overrun. And I guess they did this simply so they could get a pop when they would lull the fans into a state of pissedness thinking that they weren't going to see MGF and Page Live. And then they can fight out into the building. Because why else did they do this the way they did it? They have a press conference hosted by Brian Danielson, who is not not a master of.

ceremonies, not a host of a press conference, not a journalist or roving reporter or news anchor or anybody that needs to be goddamn doing this. Can you agree with me on that, Brian? I disagree with you. I think he's kind of like the Gene Rayburn of AEW, and I thought he was the right pick, clearly. My God. So they had five people in an empty room, and they shot the podium with Danielson in the middle, MJF on one side, page on the other side, and the back of those five people's heads

because there was nobody else in the room. And those five people were the reporters asking questions with a microphone, but they couldn't even shoot their faces because to turn the camera around would reveal that there's nobody in a fucking room. But when they clapped, It was echoing.

And the entire static shot was the back of these same five people's heads. And to make it look like a press conference, they had to actually answer questions. So Paige had no material. If he can't memorize his goddamn dramatic scene where he tries to eclipse John Wayne's performance and fucking true grit, he's got nothing to fucking say and their voices were echoing in this empty room

and then you started hearing the fans in the arena because they were showing it on the screen start hooting at this thing because they were what the fuck were watching TV get them out here and then finally the way they got into the fight was MJF said well like you cowboys do yeah I'm gonna do I he was gonna I'm gonna cheers you they've got two beers in red cups like they were afraid to show a beer brand on the I don't know what the fuck

he got two beers in red cups he wanted to cheers page page knocked one drink out of his hand mjf threw the other drink in his face they get in a fight the five people in the room never get up as they're starting to fight off camera they cut to the arena because they can't fight off camera because the room is empty and then they fight into the arena even though they obviously pre-taped this at some point way ahead but nevertheless

when they're fighting MJF shit looks good because he tries to when he throws a punch he'll grab the guy and he'll draw back and he'll try to make something look good instead of a hundred things just be there but then security comes out and Paige beats them all up one by one as they stand there waiting for him too and gives MJF a dead eye in the middle of the ring and then pulls out a barbed wire board

and tries to give him the dead eye on the barbed wire board but MJF squirms out and runs off. Brian, do you know what Paige was trying to do there when you think about it? I know. What was he trying to do? The idiot was trying to ruin his own title match. think about this yeah we beat the guy up because he made you mad yeah beat him up but if you cripple the

fucking guy you've just screwed yourself out of your title match why would he try to give him a dead eye off the apron onto a board wrapped in barbed wire sitting on concrete when he's got a Texas death match with him on the pay-per-view if he does that to him

he's dead they just it's all about all It'd be cool. It looked like I killed you until you get up. Well, an interesting build to the MJF, Adam Page, Texas death match. MJF runs off again. And that was AEW Dynamite, and again, the pay-per-view,

by the time you hear this, will have taken place. Hopefully MJF doesn't lose the title to Adam Page. And hopefully, they can get MJF away from this all right. ready. It's time to move on and feud with someone else who's not going to cut these kind of promos. Or if they do switch the belt, Brian,

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my noise baffling equipment. Anyway, we've time traveled a bit because we were just a scant distance away from SmackDown so we thought we would include that on this program, which we're about to hear in a few minutes, as well as an update on doubt Alice Edwards, the OVW referee that got, you know, laid out and had the medical emergency. It's been not even 24 hours since we were recording the first part of this podcast, but it's already, it's, first of all, he's, I won't say he's okay.

He's in ICU with a brain bleed, but he's up cognizant, you know, having issued a statement and talking to people. So that's a positive. But this thing, besides the local news here, it was on WDRB this morning. I haven't seen the other stations, but it's been on TMZ. And Brian, what, did you say, the New York Post? Yeah, it was in the New York Post. Again, I think the New York Post, like a lot of newspapers, have discovered that wrestling fans are out there, even if you don't realize they're there, and they'll click on things.

So they cover more wrestling stuff now than ever before, but I think they would have covered this one anyway. yeah i mean it it blew up not only on social media as we said but again you know regular news outlets have picked this thing up and on the the local news report they interviewed his mother this he's like 22 years old and i guess he's not even locally from here he works in the st louis area as a referee over there at some other, you know, independent group, but was, you know, making a shot over here or whatever. But I guess his mother obviously came into town and she understands,

he's been wrestling and whatever. And she understands, you know, there's risks, but she is pissed about the guys just disregarding him and the one guy that moved him out of the way. she is not a happy person about that. And, you know, so again, it just, it's looked bad on everybody. And I've never seen such a downpouring or outpouring or whatever on Twitter of people just pissed about this thing. And we'll get to a statement because I have it here a message that was issued on Facebook, I believe.

but what have you thought of the reaction from wrestling fans seemingly all sorts of wrestling fans their reaction towards OVW the wrestlers in the match Al Snow I mean I'm sure you've seen it because I've been overwhelmed by the reaction that I've seen there's a guy or two in the match

that there can be some kind of plausible deniability for for them because it was behind their back. They didn't see what to fuck or whatever. But the one guy specifically that drug the guy out of the way, the referee out of the way and kicked him out of the way to do their spot while he's in the middle of a horrible seizure.

I don't know what he was thinking. There was a guy, the blonde-haired guy that was the partner that wasn't really in the ring. he got back up on the apron as you look at this video again more closely, and he's like waiting for the next spot where he's supposed to come in, but he has a perspective. He's back away from these guys that are in the middle of trying to do their thing and may not be paying attention to the referee behind him. So he can see the whole thing.

Why he, again, nobody felt like they had the authority. the announcers are just meekly going, well, you know, somebody should check on Dallas. And the guy that I was talking about, the blonde guy that had a perspective on everything is just like watching like, should I do something, nobody felt like they had the authority or wanted to take the authority on themselves. And that's just insane. and I said was Al Snow on the premises, I can't confirm this and I'm willing to be corrected. But I've seen somebody say that he was actually out in front of the people earlier that night on the show.

And now maybe it was a tape or something and somebody's seen wrong because I don't watch the program or really know how to find that particular episode. But again, just, everybody's standing around with their dick in their hand not thinking they have the authority to do anything indicate where was the people with the authority to do something and who were they?

And again, I think a lot of people have pointed to Al Snow because he's in charge and also it's not like his quotes having gone around where he's been on various outlaw shows saying things like, someone will die in an AEW ring, I guarantee it. Oh, that's the meme going around now where he's on some program saying, I guarantee somebody will die in an AEW rig,

and it's just Al Snow owns a OBW. And they, well, they put out a statement and Dallas put out a statement, but should we also mention that Al did not do himself any favors? The first thing that he tweeted apparently, this is another thing that everybody's been firing back at him on. The first thing that he tweeted out on his personal account after this incident took place was a Waffle House joke. Now, what made people really upset was because no one pays attention to OVW, no one found out about this. You know, right before we started recording is when you found out, and then as we were recording, it blew up.

So no one really knew about this yet. It's been 15 miles away from me. I don't, you know... Well, no one really knew about it yet. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Nobody would have known had this not been put out on social media. So the video starts going around social media, then people right away go to see what Al Snow...

Has he said anything? Because they know he's in charge, and he is part owner, or whatever his role is currently with the current OVW. The wind is really kicking up behind me. Obviously, the wrestling gods don't like this discussion. and Al Snow, after the fact, because this is 1017 March 13th, when the incident would have been the evening of March 12th, tweeted out, I told the Waffle House waitress there was a fly on my waffle.

She said, oh, I forgot that one when I took off the other three. And several of the comments responding are an image of Al Snow that says someone will die in an AEW ring. I can't beat it. Well, Ed, here's the thing. Somebody even tweeted, I've seen some Waffle House fights, and if somebody went into a seizure in the middle one of them, the other people would stop and help the guy.

It's just, he just, he just, this is a self-inflicted fucking wound. You know, from these photos, it looks like Al was in better shape now than he's ever been. Maybe he's on some of the same vitamins as some of the younger guys, but maybe this could be his new gimmick, tone-deaf Al Snow, where he does the exact,

wrong thing. Says the exact wrong thing in the wrong time. But we have a statement here from Dallas Edwards. Let me pull this up. Once again from Facebook. Hey guys. I know everyone seems to know about the scary incident last night at OVW. I've been evaluated by a hospital, and I have a concussion, as well as a subdural

hematoma, a brain bleed. With that being said, I have made the decision to take some needed time away to get my life and health back in good spirits. I appreciate all the support everyone has been offering, but as far as money goes, I am grateful to be in a position that I can manage an accident like this. Good for him. In lieu of donations, I instead implore all my fellow workers to get some sort of training. in assisting another's life. Being in the position before,

it's very important to be educated in all scenarios relating to injury, illness, or condition in the ring, especially when we're performing. I'm not mad at anyone or anything, other than the situation as a whole, and that I've been sitting for about 24 hours straight in a hospital. L.O.L. As far as updates go, I'm getting a CT scan in the morning, and if that goes well, I'll be home.

Thank you to everyone who has reached out or stopped by. It means more than any of you know. Love Dally, with an emoji of two hands coming together to make a heart. And an image of him giving thumbs up in his hospital bed, and now that we know he's on the road to recovery, maybe we could do something about that haircut. Well, at least you waited to find out if he was going to pull through. Again, since yesterday, and I've seen so many more of these tweets and et cetera, and everybody trying to figure out who to blame or what to blame, and there's plenty to go around.

Dallas did nothing wrong. But again, I just hearken back. to somehow in the, whether you want to talk about the territory days in whatever decade, 60s, 70s, 80s, even the 90s, with all that shit going on, I don't know about ECW, I don't know what the fuck was happening with those guys,

but I was in the WWF. I was in WCW. We worked territories where we've gone over the schedule, were we eight or ten times of a week, we would be wrestling with TV tapings and bullshit. And obviously there weren't dives off the top rope through furniture to the floor and et cetera, et cetera. But there was crossbodies and referee bumps,

and it's not just this incident, but everybody is getting hurt because they're going too fast, doing too much, sometimes without either the proper training or just the lack of experience, you can train for something all you want, but unless you've actually done it for real over and over, that's another fucking thing.

And the fact that everybody gets to play now. And I'm not blaming Dallas, but he can't be 120 pounds. and even though the guy that landed on him doesn't look much bigger once he stood up next to the other two guys, he's coming from 10 feet in the air. And it just... That's the question, too.

What did they expect what happened? He couldn't have caught him. That wasn't an option. No, I think he was supposed to give him a forearm and go past him. And he just smashed him instead. But again, why get that complicated at this level in front of 100 people? in front of a stream of 300 people around the world. Why do we have to let everyone live out their dream

to be in the main event at Starcate 86? And it's getting dangerous. And I've seen people on Twitter say, well, they ought to OVW, they ought to fucking fire those guys. Fire them. From what, how could you, you fire people for if somebody has a job or they are paid to do work and make a living at that that's a job you can get fired from like I said this is like a lot of these little groups every

a lot of people have tried to copy the ovw format from 30 years ago that we kind of originated and now there's a local promotion with a big TV set up at a warehouse in some town and every town in America. And they're all trying, as I said earlier in the program that we recorded, to do their little version of, oh, this is the big time. We've got lights and curtains and TV and everybody gets to play a part and be a part of it. And somebody's going to get fucking killed in the territories. That's the point I was making every night.

I never saw anybody going to convulsions. I saw very few people get knocked out to where they couldn't fucking get up. Dizziness. Now that's another factor, as we've talked about and told stories. But I can't remember how many thousands of matches was I involved in? Between 19, as a manager, between 1982 and 1998, you know, I don't remember any of the guys in my match ever being knocked out and not able to get up opponents or on my side or whatever.

You got potatoed and busted open, but it did. There's only one story I could think of, and it was someone who, I believe, right away got help, I think was from Bobby Fulton. Didn't Kevin Von Erick once have a tag match or a match? Yes. And he, for whatever reason, went into a seizure in the match and Bobby Fulton saved them or at least helped them?

Yes, and that was in Fort Worth, in world class, and I was not there that night. We either, we weren't the territory, had just been, it just left, whatever the fuck, but yes, they gave him CPR, but that was totally unrelated to wrestling. Just leave that there and not get off track. So you can't fire the, this is not, This is pro wrestling at this level in name only.

And bless them for having the desire and determination, but none of these people are ever going to go anywhere in wrestling in OVW right now. Any of it, whether there would be reveries, announcers, wrestlers, or whatever. And that's why I say if you keep it to body slams and backdrops and cutting promos and running each other's head to turnbuckle, okay but when everybody's trying to do the shit they see on TV people are going to get hurt well as we said last time we hope everything goes well for Dallas Edwards

once again Stephen Pinoe 8775 oh Steve well and that's one more thing I don't I don't know remember whether I mentioned it or not but the Kentucky Athletic Commission obviously for years was one of the strictest in the country and several years ago they lightened up or changed some of the regulations long after I quit giving a shit about following it closely. But I would almost guarantee you that one of them still is that you have to have insurance. Danny Davis and I had to have an insurance policy on every live event we ran not only for the lease on the fucking Davis Arena, but to be pro wrestling promoters in the state of Kentucky.

So it'll be interesting because I don't think Dallas's mother is happy about the, again, she knows well it's wrestling, but the shit afterwards she was not happy about. So we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. Oh, it's my show, isn't it? It remains your show. The remains of my show. Well, let's talk about Smackdown real quick on Friday the 13.

of March in Phoenix, Arizona, because there, again, three hours. So there's going to be a lot of stuff you don't hear about. But we're formulating the WrestleMania card, Brian, at this point, for all of the rest of the matches. And as we figured it actually makes sense. Imagine that. We know why these people are mad at each other and why they're having this match, but it's going to be Drew McIntyre and Jacob Fai, too.

Because right at the top of the program, Drew comes out through the crowd, and he called out Nick Aldous because he got his title stolen from him by your golden boy, Nick Aldus, and Cody Vig probably needs to keep that golden boy in his back pocket when these people turn him heel. Anyway, so, fucking Aldus comes out.

nothing to make right about this. It was one-on-one. You head-budded the referee. You're just playing the victim again because it's the consequences of your actions. And Drew, it was Jacob. You know, this actually has revved him up a little bit more now because

remember he was so whining about getting screwed for so long, it was good, but we wanted to see him win one. Now he won one and got screwed out of it and he'd go back to do it this again. Cody lost a rumble, he lost a chamber, and he got all the chances,

and then Jacob comes out here, and Alda said, well, the first time one-on-one, he beat you. And Drew got pissed. That's bullshit, which he got bleep for. And he's like, you got to make this right or else. And here comes Jacob Fattu's music. And Jacob, again, I like,

Again, I like his, I like everything about Jacob, as I've said. I just feel like I think he's more effective as a heel. Even though the people like him, I wouldn't have switched him so quick. I would have let him like him a little while longer. Because now he's got to be, you know, you wouldn't have been champ if not for me. And I fixed a situation. So it's not about Nick or Cody or anybody else. It's me.

and the people started whitting him, but because of his style where he only says three or four words at a time, it worked and he used it. And then when they gave the payoff, the people popped instead of what in that. So he got out of that. But I just feel like that he's, the Samoan werewolf should be scary and out of control most of the time

instead of the reasonable guy and standing up for you. see what I'm saying, Brian. I wanted to see the wild crazy guy longer than we got to. I agree. I completely agree. We got to see him for a short period of time, and a lot of that was tied with the solo Sacoa group, so he didn't really get a chance to be a top heel as he should have. And now that he's a top baby face, he's got to sell in the matches, take some of the hour away. Nevertheless, what are you going to do about it, Drew? What are you going to do, boy? what's it going to be, boy? Let me sleep on it.

Baby, baby, let me sleep on it. And Drew said, what am I going to do? I'll tell you what I'm done with all of you. I quit. And he turns around and walks out of the fucking ring. And he leaves the building,

allegedly. So all this is trouble. Drew has quit, Brian, right before WrestleMania. I agree with. Should we, well,

go ahead. I agree with you to Jacob Batu's better as a heel. And I agree with you that this match makes sense, in the traditional sense, for WrestleMania, which is stole coming together. But I came out of this segment wanting to see Drew against Nick Aldus. Yeah. More than I wanted to see Drew against Jacob Fatu.

And it actually would be, and I love Jacob Fatu, but it'd be a better match. And for once we could say that it might be the money too, after, you know, they built it up for a couple weeks. It'd have more buzz. That's what I'm saying. Like, this is, it makes sense that Jacob Fatu and Drew's the WrestleMania match. It's been built up for a while. It makes perfect sense.

It doesn't have any buzz. If all of a sudden it was all this, and again, I don't know how you walk yourself back from that afterwards. I'm just saying, this was my thought watching it. This was my thought watching it. With all this, that'd be buzz. They've never seen him really do anything physical. On this show, he really kind of went out

at it a little bit with Drew, and then Randy actually threw him down. But that was my thought. Jacob Fatu and Drew makes sense. I'm sure it'll be fine, but there's no buzz. Like, I'm not excited for it at all. Well, and that's what I was going to say, should we skip ahead? Because it wasn't the main event, Jacob's match. So since we're on this train of thought,

way, way, way later in the evening, about fucking two and a half hours later Jacob wrestled Trick Williams and Jacob, you know, he did a shine at the star and he beat up Trick and then when they went to break, Trick stopped him for a minute. As soon as they came back, Jacob took back over and Trick stopped him again.

the match was not electrifying. It was just kind of here and there, you know, first I'm beating you up, then you're beating me up. Jacob is great, but again, I think it's early in his overall

WWE career to see him selling for, you know, a guy, and I know they're pushing trick. I'm not saying, don't just squash trick. I'm saying, was this maybe the pairing to make? Was it a style class? But it didn't have a lot of oomph.

And then Jacob was kicking a shit out of him and about ready to beat him. And there's Drew suddenly shows up and hits Jacob and runs him into the ring post and rolls him in the ring. And Trick hits two knee lifts with his, that's his finish is whatever they call it. I think the reason why he hit two

was because he botched the first one because it was just flummelming. in some fashion. One, two, three. So now the werewolf, his lanair has been turned into fucking Larry Talbot and Drew comes in, stands over him, gets set,

and when he stands up, gives him a big claymore. Boom, now he's down again. Oh, my God. And Brian, again, a lot of people, people are going to say, oh, fucking Cornette, goddamn Jesus Christ. But I still envision Jacob

being used the same way that we used, and of course he was 30 years older than Jacob, but to Mongolian Stomper in Knoxville. When he comes out, it's fucking eight minutes of chaos. There can be blood. If he's with

a main event guy, the main event guy can beat him up for a while and he can fucking cause chaos, but one way another, it's quick, and whether he gets be, we never beat the stomper because it was a different point, it was a legend, he wasn't a full-time guy, but whether he gets beat or whether he goes over, you never just see him lay in there just fucking helpless. What do you think? I agree with that assessment. I don't think Jacob Fatu has been booked well since they turned him baby face. I think he's talking too much, even though he doesn't say that much. He shouldn't

hear him, he should be kind of the maniac, which is kind of how he was first presented when he got over. Trick Williams is a priority, clearly, and the fans are into him. I didn't like the match. Not that shouldn't say I didn't like the match. The match was just, I don't even know how to say it, it was just, it was a Smackdown match. It was just there.

They were going to be commercials, and, you know, he's just a Smackdown match, waiting for the angle. And you got it with Drew. Like I said, I'm not excited for the match. at WrestleMania. Jacob Foktu really has to kick his ass after the way he got laid out here. But then we beat Drew for the belt

and then beat him on pay-per-view. I don't know, but I think maybe they don't know either. That'd be my guess. Well, we'll check back in with all of those folks. The first, let's see, what was that? about hour and a half besides the ladies' business and the Wyatt's business, they're doing something with Sammy, and it's been going on for a few weeks now,

where he's always talking to his friends in the back, the Randy Orton's and the Cody Rhodes is, and he's always saying the wrong thing. Because everybody's getting the idea that Sammy's jealous. what if you know because he does bring up well you know you got this chance you got that title and i you know so cody thinks he's looking for a title shot and sammy says i can't believe you think that low of me that i would try to backdoor that hey i love randy i look up to randy i don't look up to you cody and people went ooh because we're friends friends are equals so don't talk down to me

and fucking Cody kind of tells him off and it gets indignant and leaves and Sammy gets pissed. He's always getting pissed and slapping something like a cup of water or whatever over. And then Malachi Black comes in and stirs the shit. So Sammy may be the guy that somehow gets used in helping softens. in the blow when either Cody or Randy or some of these other people have to drop the fall. You see where I'm going with?

Do you smell what I'm cooking, Brian? It's the most interesting stuff Sammy's done in a while. He's obviously been more healish. But with that said, like the confrontations with him and Cody, Cody almost came across more heelish. You know, he immediately shut Sammy down and started kind of yelling at him. Yeah. Well, but the same token, they're formatting this to where it's always Sammy's saying this thing at a time when the other guys conflicted and thinking about stuff and he could be short-tempered and snap and, you know, whatever.

So that's kind of cool. But at the same time, they're building up in Sammy's mind, whether the resentment or the jealousy or whatever, that this is legitimate. He just can't say the right thing. everything's always going wrong. But he's doing a great job with it. Yeah, it has to go somewhere. I mean, if it goes with him having a run as a crazy heel who will do anything, then it pays off.

But post-Resslemia, this has to go somewhere. Well, it might go somewhere before WrestleMania. That's what I'm saying, because if they need to use him to get something done and give another guy and out, then it just remains to be seen, how they're going to do that. And then we got some more girl's stuff and Garza's stuff. And,

ah, and then here's Ms. in the hallway. Brian, he's getting ready for his big Ms. TV segment. And as he's walking down, all of a sudden, ah, here's our boy Danhausen. You know, I can see why the people want to buy the shirt, Brian. It's a really, it's a just a bright colored shirt. It's a good-looking shirt. Good-looking shirt.

So he's trying to give Ms. the Danhausen T-shirt to wear with his Ms. TV that night. And Ms. like, you've got a shirt already? Doesn't everyone? You end your first week in the WWE, my first day. And then he pitched, maybe he could have his own TV show. Apparently he's not listening to us because he didn't want it to be damn that. Danhausen he wanted it to be good nighthousen with Danhausen and that could replace miss tv and of course miss is not happy about that and starts to bow up at him and guess what

he gets cursed and then Danhausen disappears again you know what they ought to do when when they're shooting the two of them Brian right the cameraman And the guy that is being talked to by Danhausen, he always looks away for a second in exasperation and then looks back and Danhausen's gone. Yeah, and the cameraman follows their face as opposed to the full frame. Yes. But at the same time, the camera stays there and you never see that Danhausen has completely disappeared. He could have just turned left, right?

here's what the next time to jazz it up if they had the shot and when the guy turns away or they get the close up of him and he turns back and Danhausen is gone if Danhausen just did a drop down on his stomach the cameraman could go 360 all the way around at eye level and he's completely fucking disappeared why don't they do that you see you're getting into it you're now fantasy booking Danhausen segments no I'm fantasy producing television because some bitches these days don't know how to do it right. You're a fan-housen.

I'm a fucking producer housing. All right. And anyway. Did you see the Ria Ripley Jade stuff? Oh, yes. I skipped that over with the other girl's stuff. Because what the... Jade cut a pretty good promo.

She was better this time when she was alone in the ring rather than looking at somebody. and then she calls Ria out or Ria comes out or Ria's music plays so she has to appear and she walks in the ring and Jade gets out of the ring and Ria says well I'm gonna fucking make you

my bitch the end that what do they not do they not trust them in and not going into business for themselves if they just let them go out there and just lay into each other a little bit or whatever

or it's just something. Oh I don't know I would. Would you, would you trust Jade Cargill? Just go out there and say what you feel. Just go out there and say what you want. Well, but in a battle of ad-libs, I might go with Ripley. Because Jade has always been written for. So is Ria, but she seems like she gets it a little better. That's what I'm saying. If you give Jayv, if you give Jade a Mike and say, just go out there and say what you want,

she would cut down the locker room as a shoot, not realizing it and piss everyone off. Well, I mean, you only have to tell her just talk about Ria. You wouldn't have her just, tell us how you feel about everybody. I'm saying it wouldn't do that. It would end up there anyway, is what I'm guessing. Yeah. What were we talking about? Smackdown, a great Smackdown trying to get to this fucking main event.

Did you watch Ms. TV? Yes, that's where I was going. Ms. TV was up next after Ms. was cursed by Danhouse. And then he was actually now that I think about it, was that the reason why the microphone didn't work? Oh, you know, I didn't even think about that. Obviously, it didn't work for a second. It was a funny moment, but.

Actually, I think it was just serendipitous. I think the microphone really quit working and they gave him another one and it that was fine. But it was funny that he got cursed and went out, and his microphone went out. I think he's cursed because he ends up on the wrong side of Jimmy Jam or Jelly Jam or whatever his fucking thing is and blah, blah, blah. But nevertheless, his Ms. TV is with Jelly Roll.

Remember our friend Jelly Roll? He's okay. Well, fuck that fat, fucking tattooed-faced ex-convict motherfucker after I again have seen him a picture of him hugging the vile, wretched hag that is Christy Gnome, I have no reason whatsoever to like this guy to balance

out that type of offensive behavior. I don't know anything about his music. I don't like his fucking tattoos. And he's a fucking criminal. So fuck him. But haven't said that. Well, criminals could be reformed. He's a reformed

criminal. Now he's just a musical. Now he's just a musical criminal putting out awful music. Well, then he wouldn't be hugging a current criminal. And now we see what kind of person he really is behind this facade of all shucks. Well, no, but you shake Al Capone's hand. That doesn't mean you're mixed up with him. He was hugging her and smiling. If you hug Al Capone and smile, it doesn't mean you're associating with him.

It just means you know him. Right before you bow down and kiss his fucking ring. What do you think of jelly roll now that he's not... I mean, he's still a bigger guy? but he's not imposing in any way now. Now he's just like a big guy with tattoos, not a fat guy or anything else. Well, but can you imagine what if you took off the baggy clothes,

he's got to look like a deflated truck stop novelty condom now. So when you've made that drastic of a goddamn transition, there's still all kinds of work to be done. He's going to have to have some of those. Maybe he can have that stuff sliced off and sell it by the pound. Should he change his name to Ozzympic role? You know, that's not bad.

Get a sponsorship out of it. Well, but then again, the thing is, what if it's a gypsy curse? And he keeps, Ozmpic wouldn't want to be involved if he keeps losing weight. And it ends up that sooner or later, he just, his bone structure collapses

under the weight of all the skin and he's just jelly blob. Again, there's a lot of options. I mean, this is good fantasy booking. These are good ideas. But back to... Well, let's get back to the idea that they had. Jelly Rolls confrontation with the Ms.

Who towered over Jelly Rolls. I was pretty sure we'd kick Jelly Roll's ass. You know, Jelly Roll was trying to cut a big-time wrestling promo because this is fantasy camp for him. He would have never got to time a day from anybody at a wrestling business and suddenly he for some reason became a music star and now they're all falling all over themselves, tripping over their dicks to fucking make nice to him.

But he really fucking cut a fucking wrestling promo and he and Miz went back and forth. And then suddenly Kit Wilson came out. I didn't want to like this to begin with and I was starting to halfway get into the argument and here comes this Nimrod. and Kit Wilson does his, although he did mention the face tattoos and the criminal charges and you're building a brand on bad behavior and you're fatphobic and you're toxic.

And he should have said, how long has it been since you've seen your dick? Jelleryroll could have said, I have a long time. There's literally been articles in the newspaper about Jelleyroll not being able to, like his dick not functioning well because of his growth for a long in the newspaper. Kit could have said, if you haven't seen your dick in that long, why don't you die it? Jelly roll could have said, what color is it now? All right. So then.

Let's get back to this. Kit shoved jelly and Miz was holding Kit back like, don't kill him. And Jelly swung and Kit ducked and jelly nailed Miz. And Kit ran off and the Miz laid dead in the ring for one punch from a formerly fat fucking country music star. Who didn't get like an overwhelming big pop? It's not like Cindy Lomper in 85. No, actually I wrote the last two words I wrote were few care.

Yeah. When the Miz went down, it was a great shot from the side where you can kind of see the crowd. Like no one jumped, no one clapped, no one reacted. There was no audible noise. Big country star just punched a heel. No one cared. I don't know

Except WWE because they kissed this guy's ass because they think he's a bigger star than their stars and they want that involved with their company. But that's the thing. I don't know where this is this going now

for a match between jelly roll and Ms. Because if they had if they'd have kept it, I'll just say this, we'll move on. If they'd have kept it between jelly and Ms. The way that they were going at start before Kit Wilson came out,

then if they'd have still fucking had Jelly Deck Miz, I would have wanted to see a match between them. But once Kit came out, I think that's another thing that just deflated everybody, because now we really know this ain't important.

And it was just like, ah, and he just yeah, because it's just stupid. It's underneath Gaga from the Vince era. That was the way the promo sounded. Because Jelly Roll, I think, did a great job of reciting whatever they wanted him to recite, and Ms.

you know, his specialty is WWE style scripts. Yeah. But it sounded so fake. Like Jellyroll's saying all these things and you could see that he's really trying to emote and be into it. He's trying to do a good promo.

He has seen them. He's trying to do one, but you don't believe the words that are coming out of his mouth because they're corporate speak. Or it's just not natural the way he's saying it. I actually think Kit Wilson's the best part of the whole thing.

Oh, come on. I've enjoyed him since his partner, got hurt, sadly and left or is healing, whatever. Sadly and left. I feel bad. Since his partner got hurt, he's been a lot better. He never comes back. Yeah.

Well, since that guy got hurt. Thank goodness that bad guy got hurt. He's been more enjoyable since his partner got hurt. He's been more enjoyable since we got rid of that dead weight. Boy, people think I'm hard-hearted. What do you think of Ms. versus jelly roll at WrestleMania? I guess that's what we're going to see.

Again, you know, I preferred they didn't put the other guy in the buildup. But I hope Ms. just taters him. Just right in his fat, tattooed face. But now it's time for the main event, Brian. And we're not talking about a wrestling match. No, because we're talking about a real main event with stars that are going to talk to each other. It's time for them to sign the contract with Cody Rhodes and Randy Orton. for the

WWE championship it's the okay punk and Roman is the world championship this is the WWE championship this is undisputed

but by the very nature of the word undisputed wouldn't punk and Roman both be disputing that do we want to get down that rabbit hole any other world champion anywhere would be a disputed champion

by that logic yeah yes but nevertheless. So Cody comes out I mean again both of them are baby faces

and have been presented as friends and et cetera and they hugged and shook hands at the start of the thing but there were big Randy chance and Randy has got to the icon

leveled where they don't want to fucking boo him no matter what he's really doing. Every once while as we've seen some of these top baby faces to start getting pointed with each other, they will just,

the people will kind of sit there, they won't agree either way, or they'll kind of, ooh. But nevertheless, Cody cut to big promo. His first WDW.E match was against Randy Orton. He had seen Randy's success. He wanted to be just like him.

When he came back to WWE, didn't bring his brother, he didn't bring his wife, he was alone, but he had Randy Orton. And he's proud to be, I'm proud to be your boy. And he signed the contract right off the bat, Cody did, and happy to do it. And the fans are chanting, thank you, Orton. And then Randy starts to sign, but he stands up. And he says, Cody, you don't understand.

I need that. He's pointed at the belt. This was supposed to be Drew. Oh, uh-oh. And again, Cody said, hey, Randy, let me take that burden away from you. I expect you to be the legend killer. I expect you to be the guy to the Viper. And he cut the big excited promo putting Randy over.

And all it, you know, he's done and wants him at his best when the bell rings. And Cody said, whatever happens after the bell, Randy, I will always love you. And then Cody kind of nudges him to sign. It puts it in front of him like, oh, okay, sign, shake, come in for the hug, and Randy grabs him and runs his head into the fucking table and it kicks him into balls. And rips his shirt off and throws him out to the floor and pitches him over the desk

and hits him with the stairs. And Cody comes up bleeding. He's fucking bleeding from the head. and Orton shoves Aldous down and he's beating on Cody on the desk and there's people starting to come and he shoves old jelly jam down and the referees, the agents are there and then Randy started to leave. He's put, he's tilted the stairs up to where he's put Cody's head in the V as he lays on the desk and he starts to leave, but he comes back around.

grabs a chair and hits Cody with the concerto effect where he hit the stairs, but it looked at least a lot better than the fucking concertos do. And the guy's head had already exploded in a puddle of blood, so you couldn't really tell it was bullshit. And then boom, got in the ring and got the belt and sat on the chair and put it on his lap while everybody else was shocked and disgusted.

except for a lot of the fans who are not necessarily unhappy about this. Well, there's the problem. But it's not like this is new in that they all know it's a work now. They all know that this is part of the show and they're going to cheer for, as you've said many times, happenings and moments, or they're just. just going to cheer for who they fucking want to cheer for because they don't buy the dastardly things that any person is doing to be a heel or to turn heel is their legitimate personality like they did in the old days.

Well, that's true across the board, but I think specifically with this, my thoughts, you know, if you go back the last several months to the reviews we've done of WWETV, we've said it a bunch of times, they're cooling off Cody. He's not doing anything interesting. He's not really, even though he's like a top guy on one of the shows, he's not in the mix. There's no buzz about Cody right now. The people were so behind him. They like them.

Some of them do now. But it's not the same. And I think this is the result of fans almost not happy about it, but it's like a sense of normalcy with Orton turning heel. They reacted more like that than, oh my God, he's hurting Cody, which they probably, even though it's a work, and they know it,

they probably would have reacted differently to this a year ago, a year and a half ago. But Cody has not been booked well since Sina came back. Cody's been booked under, even though he's still one of their top guys. There's not a lot to cheer for. He doesn't give you a lot of reasons.

The fired up, are few and far between, I will say it's the best job of selling here that I ever saw from Cody Rhodes. Yeah. And much like his father, he got the maximum impact of looking like he has been killed by this guy. And it was a great, ripping the shirt off was just a little thing when he did it, when Randy did it.

But that way Cody could limp out of the. they're holding that belt being, you know, attended to by the referees, but not only is he covered in blood, but his clothes have been ripped from him. He just looked like he'd been run over by a car. See, I'm afraid that you have a little bit of the AEW problem, where AEW fans were totally into Cody when he was their big cheerleader, and they were behind him, and they kind of felt like he was, you know, their guy. And then as AEW went on, and they saw the way he was being used, the way he was using himself, but also the way that was an isolated world from everything else on the show, slowly, but then it kind of happened all at once, the fans

started turning on him. Even though he didn't turn, he was still good old baby-faced Cody doing the right thing. The fans turned on him. I'm not saying it's that drastic here, but they were totally into him and behind him, and then he didn't do anything interesting or great sense. and you know what are you going to what's cooler cody roads right now or randy orton turning heel getting to see that what's cooler that's cooler well and that's one of the things i said that golden boy cody roads what do you think because it's not like that he's going to come out next week and okay i'll turn a heel on you now randy they're not going to do that but as this plays out depending on what responses they get between now and including at WrestleMania,

can you see Cody starting to be a little resentful and I am the golden boy, stuff like that. That might be fun. Well, he's always pushed back on any talks about turning heel, but at a certain point, especially with the way they're not booking him to be a strong top baby face. And the fans are not reacting that way because he's not being booked. look that way, if this is a sign of things to come, the Phoenix crowd here, and we've seen little signs of it on different shows, but it seems like there's a growing chorus of people that aren't going to cheer for Cody just because he's the top baby face. He actually

has to do something to make them want to cheer him. And after a couple years of golden boy, Cody Rhodes, well then, you know what would be a moment like Orton turning heel, Cody turning back baby face. I'm just saying. Yeah. It's all about moments. Hey, since Randy laid him out, should they have Brandy coming next week and cut a promo on Randy Orton? I think that would be money leading into WrestleMania.

No, I think they need to do Golden Boy by the week after if Brandy came out and did a promo next week, defending Cody. Oh, come on, Brandy versus Randy on the mic? That's a Smackdown main event. They're going to have it on Open Mic night in Norcross. Open night, bitch, that's right. But it's all,

you know, the branding, whether it's the American nightmare, whether it's the Golden Boy, whether it's the Viper, whether it's the RKO, whatever, it's all about the branding, the brand names,

the business potential. Brian, that's what it's about. And if you want to be in business, you better have some potential. And if you don't have any potential, then you better get Shopify. See how I did that there just nice and to the point. Because let's just say that you're just a dumb shit.

You don't know how to do anything. You got rotten ideas and you need money. Well, that's why you need Shopify, because Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world. 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States, it's Shopify. And do you think for a second, ladies and gentlemen, that all these people are just brilliant? no all those people running those businesses

they're a bunch of stupid fucks just like you but the difference that's right they don't know whether across the street in a bicycle or wind their watch but if they get with Shopify then Shopify can build them a design studio and accelerate their efficiency and get the word out because of a marketing team

social media campaigns email campaigns a commerce expert with world-class expertise and taking money away from people. What more do you need? You can be a complete knucklehead and go to Shopify and just make a fortune. You just got to have one glimmer of a small idea that may be stupid now, but they can figure out some way to make it work. Well, Jim, of course, of course, most people who are...

Watch that kid. Most people who are knuckleheads probably don't recognize that they are knuckleheads or want to accept that. So why don't we talk to the good businessman out there, the good business lady out there, the people doing their damnedest to make the most money for their business, take care of their family. They need the right partner online like we do. We trust Shopify and the listeners can too. You're exactly right. Most people don't realize that they're stupid. So let me elaborate.

People, you're stupid. You cannot do this on. on your own. Don't even try. It's hopeless. You'll be doomed to failure. Your family will laugh at you. Get a hold of the people at Shopify right now at Shopify.com slash JCE, and you can get a $1 a month trial period, where for only a dollar a month, Shopify will show you what they can do for you and how that they can make you look like that you're a competent human being and in charge of your own life and your commerce and destiny. $1 a month trial period if you use that code,

Shopify.com slash JCE. And other way, you don't even have to be able to spell. Those are just words, letters, right? J.C.E. So you don't even have to be able to spell. You can be just a complete, illiterate, illiterate buffoon. Why is this the focus today?

Because that's how great Shopify is. That's why? Is they can take anybody and make them money. So if you've got a dollar that you've found in your aunt's couch cushions, and you can spell JCE for the code, you can go to Shopify.com and get a dollar a month trial period. And now you'll finally be able to have your neighbors admit that they live next door to you because you'll have gainful employment.

You'll be making money. All because Shopify will show you what the fuck to do. Shopify. That's right. One more time, Jim, that promo code, that link. JCE. Shopify.com slash JCE.

Yes. All right, Brian, well, before we leave today, something has come up, and I had two thoughts, and they met in the middle. Because a few days ago, somebody had tweeted me

and just reminded me of this incident we're about to discuss, review, whatever. and then also we've been talking lately about you've got to put some type of meaning behind a match, even if people know who the stars are, as Bill Watts, who we're going to hear from here shortly,

said, gentlemen, I know you're all superstars and all the fans know, quote, unquote, who you are and what you do, et cetera, but you can't just say, oh, we've got the international superstar from Gleet in Japan. coming in to wrestle one of our guys. Oh, it's going to be a great match. What the fuck does that?

And when you need to make an impact on a television program and a short period of time to promote something or whatever, we've talked about that. So I thought a good example of a number of these things that we have talked about here on a program relating to wrestling psychology was the time that the heavenly bodies and I in a Rock and Roll Express in early 1983 went into WCW when Bill Watts was in charge.

We've talked about that before as far as the business deal that we made and why we did that and et cetera. And it was part of a overall thing that I was going to try to do with Smoky Mountain and Watts working together. But we've never actually sat down and talked about how I came up with the idea to do exactly what we did. and when you and I were talking about this earlier off the air, I reminded you that because you mentioned,

you know, interpromotional angles or outsider angles, this was three years before Hall and Nash showed up on Nitro, but the previous time before this that there was actually an outsider angle, an invader angle, or so they don't work here angle, done was the same place five years before that it was my angle too when hayman and the original midnight came in and jumped us on TV which led to the line from Jim Ross they don't even work here

which became synonymous with every time somebody from another promotion showed up to beat the shit out of somebody people would say they don't even work here and of course like everything else it was done to death and prostituted and with varying degrees of success based on execution after that. But the only promotion, U.S.-based promotion that WCW worked with, after Turner Broadcasting bought it from Crockett with Smoggy Mountain Wrestling, they did the New Japan crossovers, they did the AAA pay-per-view kind of,

but no other U.S.-based company. And the same thing actually could be said for the WWU. we showed up there, you know, later on that same year with the same match. But it's all about the program, the universe that exists in WCW or in WWF or in any promotion. You can't just take for granted that everybody knows what had gone on in other places. you always have to explain it to your fans and make it important on your program. Does that point get across, Brian? It gets across as you're saying it.

I don't know how much it gets across in modern day wrestling. Well, but that's anyway. So when trying to put this angle together in my mind to sell to Bill Watts on why should you pay me and us to do this thing, Watts came into WCW to reduce the expenses and get the house shows, the pay-per-views, and the ratings back up. Everything good, he need to get up, everything bad, he need to get down. So what do I have that would be an asset to him and his national television program?

Well, I have the Rock and Roll Express working for me in Smoggy Mountain Wrestling. I don't think it's an inflammatory comment to say that they were the most popular tag team in the WCW and TBS promotion and television show for the previous 10 years at that point, and they still held the record for the highest rated Sunday night TBS wrestling program they'd ever aired. So I've got the Rock and Roll Express. The fans in WCW know them, but they have not seen them together in WCW at about two years at that point.

I've got me and Stan Lane, who as part of the Midnight Express, were on WCW's television programming for five straight years every week, but had been gone for a little over two years since Stan and I walked out. And that had never been explained on WCW television, because they didn't do that back then. When we walked out, they just, like it next week, Bobby was a second. and the fans never knew. Now, the smart fans did because they read the newsletters.

But, Brian, as we've mentioned, there were vast numbers fewer smart fans in 1993 than in 2026. They still numbered in the thousands by that point, but it wasn't like today where it's literally you can click on the internet and find out anything. So that had never been resolved for the WCWR. audience or at this point what was left of it. But we had been part of one of the biggest grossing tag teams that had worked there again in the previous decade. But now I have a new team because Watts still has Bobby Eaton. He's under contract. And I have Stan Lane and Tom

Pritchard, the Heavenly Bodies, and Smoggy Mountain Wrestling. But because Watts knew that Bobby had not been used well, he said, hey, I'm going to give him to you. you for 90 days. And he can work for you in Smoggy Mountain. And with that way, when he comes back, we can freshen him up. And then I believe it wasn't long after that. He went into the later that year. Was that the dangerous alliance?

Whatever the fuck. Point is. Year before. Year before, nevertheless. So now I've got Bobby again, but we can combine our forces. So the point is we have an attraction. Plus, I have a promotion that can. supply videotape and we can make this thing sound legitimate.

So they're all right. And this is what I pitched to Watts and this is what, as you will see when we play this interview in a second, we ended up doing, I said, what about it wouldn't be out of the way, it wouldn't be, you know, people wouldn't raise red flags if you announced on WCW Saturday night. Ladies and gentlemen, next week, we're going to see one of the most popular tag teams in history of WCW, the Rock and Roll Express. They're currently appearing in the Tennessee base Smoky Mountain Wrestling,

but they're going to be making appearances here, and we're happy to see them again. We know all the fans will look forward to seeing them next week, but here's some tape of the Rock and Roll Express. And the tape they play is from Smoky Mountain Wrestling, credited, right? But all the whole footage is just the Rock and Roll Express. just beating a shit out of Stan Lane and Tom Pritchard to heavily bodies. And me going, oh, my God.

And they don't say that. They don't even mention it. They just, here's the tape of the Rock and Roll Express. And then the following week, I think maybe they did an interview or whatever the fuck. But the point is, within a week or two, in the middle of a program where it's been announced that now the Rock Roll Express is going to be there live and they're going to wrestle. they're going to wrestle Tex,

Schlazzinger and Shanghai Pierce, which, Brian, as you'll remember, they ended up being Henry and Phineas Godwin in a later life. That's right. But that was false booked. They were never going to have that match. That's what Watts put on the format for them to advertise.

And nobody knew, and I'm talking about the boys didn't know and a lot of the crew didn't know that Tom Pritchard, Stan Lane, and I were going to be at center stage that day, to do this angle. They didn't put it on the format. Watts knew Jim Ross knew

and a couple other people that had two new. But otherwise they didn't put it on the format. They didn't advertise it. And it didn't get out that we were going to be there because, again, there were sheets, but we didn't tell anybody. And we got there that day at like 1 o'clock in the afternoon at center stage and were escorted by one,

I think it was one of the referees. Might have been, was Nick Patrick still there? nevertheless, to a goddamn utility closet where we sat there all afternoon and only spoke to Jim Ross and Bill Watts. But basically the deal would be that when they've come back from a commercial break while Jim Ross is about to do a pitch, suddenly Jim Cornett, Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton and Tom Pritchard come in the front door of center stage like where the fans come in and start walking down the stairs. and as the people see us, and we were dressed like ourselves and had a tennis ragged, so it didn't take long,

they start reacting, and JR looks up and go, well, ladies and gentlemen, I don't know what's going on here, blah, blah, blah. And our whole bone of contention is that we are pissed off at what happened last week, when they showed that tape,

that Stan Lane and I walked out of this company, two years ago because they were trying to make the Midnight Express look like idiots, and what happens, we watched TV last week, and you're doing the same thing to the heavenly bodies. Make us look like idiots. I called for Bill Watts to come out. And Watts and I have the confrontation. And it's a chance for us to use some of our old material from 10 years before in the last

stampede, but also Watts as the authority figure, says, you people don't work here, So I can't book your matches or find you or whatever, but I'll call the cops if you disrupt our television program again. And I goad him a little bit more. And that's when the Rocker Roll Express come out. They're pissed off. They're not even dressed to wrestle yet. Their matches later in the program.

And again, the way that little things that you can throw in that I learned from what. So both of us would have done this is, he said we can't book your matches you don't work here it's not like he can just make a match but he offered the ring and that's the little loophole that okay well this ain't all bullshit he just said whatever you want to settle it do it in front of us we'll watch and at the same time when you hear my promo yes the smart fans may have known that we left because they were disrespecting the midnight express but it was never explained to the audience so i explained why Stan and I left, where we've been, what we're doing now,

and why we're there tonight because we're pissed about this thing, and it flows kind of naturally and logically. And then when the promo is over with, we've jumped in and we do the match. Well, I will stop before we get there to analyze what's been said. But you will also notice a couple of spots that there is no audio in the middle of an argument and Brian, you know that's my problem with old Eric Bischoff, old EZE, when he was blamed to me by somebody that I trusted for being one of the people who decided to edit the thing

because I had told Watts, I'm going to say, say, we didn't have a script, we told each other here, here's my story, and Bill, well, here's what I'll say. And it always changes, but that's the point of the thing. But one thing I did say, I wanted to say, I hated Jim Hurd with a passion and I'm not too fond of you because that's another one of those little lines that would make people think. He's really telling the truth.

And another one was that I would say, well, we'll just settle it with you, rock and roll. We'll settle it with you Friday night in Knoxville. And then Watson goes, we don't care what you do where our fans can't see it. If you want to do something like that, But they bleeped out my plug for Knoxville. So that's what I was pissed about the editing of this thing, because it was two of the lines that made it sound like we were trying to get away with something.

So never the questions before we go into this thing, Brian. Well, I mean, you were incredibly detailed there. I don't know too many questions before we go into it, but this is kind of the beginning of Eric Bischoff's run as executive producer in WCW. He really takes over once Watts is out. and Jim Ross. This is one of the last things Jim Ross did in WCW2.

Jim Ross, who chose to wear a suit that matched the background. The gray and purple WCW logo behind him the same colors as his suit. It's an interesting look. But this was an interesting time in WCW. A lot of things happening. A lot of things changing.

Rick Flair, about to come back. And like I said, Eric Bischoff, just starting to gain some power. in terms of the editing. You aired, didn't you air the unedited one on Smokey Mountain TV? I aired, well, I edited it also because it was a 12-minute segment and we, you know, trimmed it up to fit our television program. The promo and the match altogether is 12 minutes.

But I don't know, I don't know whether I got a copy of the, I don't know. I don't know that there was a copy of the unedited because I got it from them because when I didn't know that they'd edited it until I watched it on television when it aired. And then I called Watson's like, what the fuck? He did, he told him at first it was a directional microphone didn't pick some shit up.

And I had been doing production even then, more than Bill had been in a production studio at that point because I was actually doing it all at Tennessee Production Center practically myself. and I said, no, they muted the fucking audio on a microphone track. But nevertheless, we're in the weeds. Who told you that it was Bischoff that did that or told someone to do that? You know, well, it was Bischoff and Tony Chavani were the ones that were in the room at the time.

And I was led to believe that it was Bischoff that was the ringleader. And Chivani just as always happened. I'm trying to remember who it was that told me now. Because it was, I don't want to, I don't want to finger anybody unnecessarily. Did you see Dusty? Because he was, oh, yes. Yes. Oh, yes.

And, you know, no, everything was fine there. Remember, that's when, by the time that we got to the pay-per-view Super Brawl, Watts was gone. And remember I'd said that time to one of the referees that when we came, man he's all good to see you back i said well don't pull up no chairs we ain't staying or something like that and dusty said him over say hey dusty wants to sit is there or wants to talk to you and i said okay we snuck over and i said what's what's up dusty said do we have heat i said no and he said well he's told the guy you wouldn't going to be staying i said well we're we're not going to be staying now watts

is gone dusty if you had his job i love you but you don't have his job there's people They were even telling him what to fucking do. So it's the same situation. We're going back to Knoxville. But did you see Dusty that first night when you were at the center stage taping? Not beforehand, because we never left that fucking closet. Maybe afterwards, I'm trying to think. Probably.

Probably afterwards. If there was a different executive who had the exact same run as Bill Watts and everything went exactly the same and he came in with the same skeletons in his closet, whatever you want to say, everything's the same. It's just not Bill Watts. and he gets fired slash quits, whatever. Same thing. But if it wasn't Bill Watts, does Jim Ross leave WCW

or is Jim Ross stay with WCW for the next 10 years? Well, he wouldn't have left then. I don't know how long he would have stayed. He wouldn't have left then because he got painted as Bill Watts' boy. And suddenly, you know, even though he'd been there for the previous five or six years, because Watts comes in for four months, the JR was tainted goods and couldn't be trusted anymore now that Watts is gone.

So they tried to make him the guy traveling around syndicating the TV show to local stations in Atomwa, Iowa. And he said, okay, fuck that. And he went to work for Vince. Well, again, this was WCW Saturday night, February 6th, 1993. And I know we have some audio here we can play.

And this is a long segment, like you said, there's the promo, there's the buildup, there's the promo, and then eventually a match. We're going to do the first half today, and we will return next time with the second half, but you've given us the buildup. Oh, go ahead, sorry. I was just going to say,

and when the promo starts, it's JR doing his pitch, and then there's some element of silence and crowd noise because we are emerging into the arena where they can see us, and then we'll let that bad boy run for a little while and see how it goes. I may jump in. That shall be a tremendous tournament, ladies and gentlemen, to determine a new world television champion. Those 16 men competing not only on worldwide wrestling, but on the main event as well.

And the main event, as I said, we'll return right here to TBS tomorrow at 605 Eastern Time. Now, don't forget later in this broadcast, the big one-on-one matchup involving Sting and Barry Wyndham. After what happened here last week, we know that that situation is certainly going to be. to be a war. Also still to come. We're going to talk more about Superbraw, the big pay-per-view event. Wait just a second.

I don't really believe what I'm seeing. There's Jim Cornett and the Smoky Mountain Wrestling tag team champions, the Heavenly Bodies. And what an unexpected situation this is. This is not Smoky Mountain. There's some nice traffic out on Peachtree. Why don't I want to go play in it?

You know, I've got to go play in it. problem Jim Ross and I've got some people here to back me up tonight to see Bill Watts. Bill Watts don't answer his telephone. Bill Watts is a big executive. Bill Watts don't return his calls. Well, I don't like being ignored. I want to see Bill Watts out here face to face. And if I don't get it, we ain't going to leave.

If you've got anybody can move us, please, please try, please try, because I'm ready for some big trouble here tonight, brother. Well, I think Cowboy Bill Watts is here. He may be busy right now, Jim. What is that right in the horse? Huh? Come on, Marshal, Dylan. I know you're right here somewhere.

I want to see Bill watch right here face to face. Big man. Big executive. Yeah, yeah. Let me pause it there for a second, Jim, because there's a lot going on, and obviously it goes on for a while here. You come out there, you throw the barricade against the ring.

Yeah. You guys storm out there. An interesting look from Bobby Eaton, the colorful shirt with the gray blazer. But what are your first thing? thoughts hearing this back? Well, that's the thing is we wanted to cause a stir at

at the same point. First of all, the reason why JR got to pitch so much is because they literally had to run and get us out of the closet and take us out to the side door and around the front so we could come through. And the one guy was supposed to lead us and he

fucking led us into the building and didn't tell us exactly which way to turn for the door. Nevertheless, then when we get down there, we've got to call Watts out but he doesn't come right out like he's been sitting there waiting on it you see what I'm saying he gives it a second

like he could plausibly have been interrupted going there's a situation you've got to go to and then boom out he comes and we get up my nose to his chin you know what else it did it gave people at home before the internet

time to call people and say Jim Cornett and a Midnight Expressor on TBS Yeah. Because it was a big deal. I remember watching this. Let's go back to the audio. Let me tell you something. Because the people had run this crummy steak and company trying to make the Midnight Express

look like a bunch of idiots. There's the herd line. We left. Let's pause it there for a second. So that was a choice that was made post-production by Eric Bischoff and Tony Chivani to mute that line, although you could obviously still hear some audio. It just conveniently drops out. Yes.

see the P. We were on the PA system. So the Ambion microphones in the arena picked it up slightly, but they dropped the handheld that I was on. Right, back to the audio. Brummy's thinking company trying to make the Midnight Express

look like a bunch of idiots. We took and we found Dr. Tom Pritcher and we formed another tag team, the heavenly bodies. And we went to Smoky Mountain Wrestling where they appreciate wrestling talent. And we became the tag team champions of Smoky Mountain Wrestling.

And then all of a sudden, like some kind of cancer, the Rock and Roll Express reoccurs. And they come and they steal our tag team belts. And before we can do anything about that, I'm sitting at home in Knoxville, Tennessee. I'm watching television and I turn on in front of God and everybody on national TV. You're showing a bunch of videotape of the Rock and Roll Express beating our brains out. Well, let me tell you out, shut up. And there go the chance. Let me tell you something right now, Bill Watts.

I ain't going to stand for it. Because I didn't want TBS to make them look like idiots. And hold on. There was another one. Yeah. Where I said I broke up the Midnight Express because I didn't want them to look like idiots. And then they muted something, which I don't even remember, that this was part of the explanation to make it sound legitimate.

that we were really pissed about the way that things were going. This wasn't a wrestling angle, but go ahead. For two years here, and we got our tape. And now what I want from you is a public apology, Watts, to all those people that you showed that videotape to. I want a public apology for trying to embarrass us, make us look like the lounge. And if I don't get it...

I'll let me pause it here because you can't hear it. They muted you saying you're going to sue everyone. Oh, that's right. That's another thing. Yes, I said, do you remember Brian the last stampede when I said, if I don't get my way? It was Watts's material. I'm going to sue you. I'm going to sue Mid-South Wrestling. If you show that tape again, I'm going to sue everybody. That's what started our argument to begin with, right? And I said then also, I said, I'm going to sue everybody and blah, blah, blah. And Bill's waiting there and he's, of course, he's reacting and he's smirking and he's doing his Bill Watts thing.

And when I give him the finger poke in the fucking chest, that's when he snatches my hand and makes the comeback. But I'm building this whole fucking thing for him to be able to make the fucking comeback and they're chopping it up in post-production. But it would nevertheless, I don't remember what my exact words were, but it was not any profanity. They just didn't want anybody threatening and the sue fucking, it's so goddamn work on the wrestling show, but they were so lawsuit conscious

because they had to pay everyone that was filed against them. Anyway, go ahead. Yeah, they made it seem worse than it was. It made it seem like you. Yeah, it was like I was going, fuck, fuck, fuck, fucking even fuck. But I raised such a big stink about this, that before it's over with, you're going to be swabbing out toilets and CNN and popping popcorn. First of all, Sissy, keep your hands off over here because I don't want to have to have a lot of Now hold on, that's a heavy line. Exactly. Exactly.

Just the people, when he grabbed my hand, the people came up. And first of all, Sissy, and they blew. We could have worked that for a goddamn other three months if we'd all been there. And we could have worked on pay-per-view and it would have drawn. Me and him for fuck's sake. Go ahead. It's never been a man that delivers the word. cissy the way Bill Watts, he spits it out.

Sissy! Yes. Yes, like it tastes bad in his mouth. And he's going to need a blood test because you touching him or whatever it was would cause him to get AIDS is what he tried to say. Don't have my blood tested. Don't touch me. Straighting one thing out, you run your mouth. There's a lot of people I'd apologize to, but you're not one of them. Everything we showed on this program, we had all the releases and all the clearances and we've been working hand and glove with Bob Armstrong, who's the commissioner

Smoky Mountain Wrestling. You're the biggest mouth there, but you don't carry a lot of weight. Wait a minute. You do carry a lot of weight. And it's still in the same place it always was. You're kind of egg-shaped. But we've got clearances for what we show. Wait a minute.

We'll come out here if we want to. We'll do whatever we want. Now, I'm jumping into piss him off a little bit more, so he'll fire up more at me. You don't work for us, so I can. can't find you like we're not signing a match but the next time you buddy in on our show i'll have Doug dillinger and Atlanta's finest walked your little down to the crossbar hotel and we'll put you in jail i'll tell you who you ought to put in jail you ought to have the rock and roll express arrested for murder they came out here last week and killed your ratings you bring them out here like henry kinsinger

at a steak dinner sitting them there slept with us in a face they're losers we beat them here comes a rock and Obviously, a lot of yelling and screaming back and forth here. And I have to say, because I was watching regularly at this time, this was more exciting than just about everything happening in WCW for a pretty long while at this point. Well, and because it was not only, it was new, it was fresh, oh, we haven't seen these people in a while, but we got into a goddamn argument that people started listening to and got into, and then these other guys come out, it just keeps escalating.

That's the way it's supposed to be. There's what I said, do something about it in Knoxville. You all don't even come out here and talk about a bunch of stuff that's happening where our fans don't even know and don't care. But I'll say one thing here we've established that ring right out there is neutral ground. And I'll tell you, if you guys want to get your tails out there, we'll let you send it. Why don't you get that ring and hook them out? Let's get a rough to you.

Don't let that hold you back. You're not dressed too well anyway. Watch. They're getting on there. They're ready. Okay, and now Ricky and Robert have already, they've taken their watches and their necklace off. They're in the rig and their street clothes.

The midnight slash bodies are scrambling around. I'm like, okay, okay. And Stan's taking his watch off. And the people, now the people say, yeah, we want to see this shit. And, I mean, I don't know why it's hard to understand. And even if they know who, if we had just come out, or if they had just come out two weeks beforehand and said, hey, the Rock Roll Express are wrestling to heavenly bodies in Knoxville a bunch.

And we're going to have them here next week or whatever. And they're going to have a match. Oh, that's interesting. But when they don't expect it and we bring it in and we explain it to them and we get them behind the whole fucking premise and then we goddamn gin up the controversy, well, you want to see it now? goddamn yes we do well here we go and it for smart fans or non-smart fans alike it was believable because now they all understood it the non-smart fans which there was still more of them than

not and i'm not talking about just who knows wrestling's a work but where did everybody go and why arguments with management we had to explain that and then there you go. Well, there you go. Once again, WCW Saturday night, February 6th, 1993, and a lot of wind behind me, we can only do so much in

post-production with that. But Jim, we'll pick this up next time on the drive-thru with a watch-along of the Heavenly Bodies and the Rock and Roll Express on Saturday night. Yes, and I will preface that by saying, like I said, we had a 12-minute segment. That interview was probably about five or six.

So we had about another six minutes and we did basically the same thing that we did when the midnight first faced the Rocker Roll Express on Mid-South television. We just gave them a trailer for it because we didn't want to give a, we didn't want to have the best match we could possibly have. We wanted to have an exciting match to reintroduce

the Rock and Roll Express and introduce the heavily bodies and then end with a disputed finish. and some heat that would lead to Bill Watts and Commissioner Bob Armstrong of Smoggy Mountain Wrestling getting together to bring the match for the Smoky Mountain Tag Team Championship to their WCW viewers on Super Brawl from Asheville, North Carolina, which also happened to be right in the middle of Crockett territory. And that's where the fans would want to see it. So we'd help the LiveGate, too. and so therefore as you said we're going to watch along the match on the drive-through but we're going in the ring to do five or six minutes of action as a tease to make them want to see the full match rather than having a 20-minute match that with everything we can do and what else we're going to do and the people were standing the whole fucking time more on that on the drive-thru

That's right. We will return on the drive-thru. This episode also has when, oh my God, I remember this, when I'm talking about how bad things were. Again, you look, you see all this talent, like, things must have been good. Steve Austin, Brian Pillman, Barry Windham, Sting, Ron Simmons. But it was just a kind of dead feeling a lot of the time. This is the episode of Eric Watts when he gets into a fight with Arne Anderson at the gas station. Oh, good Lord, yes. And puts him in an STF at the gas station. into gas station next to the pump I remember that because that's what you would do if you were in a fight you would try to put someone in an STF it was the most ridiculous thing ever and it did not help the fans they still booed Eric Watts no matter what

and to be honest and the talent was great but Steamboat and Shane Douglas were the tag team baby face tag team champions then but when we went to their TV tapings and did the eight man with the bodies and Austin and Pilman against a rocker roll and Steamboat and Shane the people spent the whole match chanting rock and roll, rock and roll.

Because they were fresh again. And because it was new talent that had come in and made an impact on the television rather than the same guys that they'd seen in kind of boring lackluster stuff for the previous however long. And that's another reason Watts went for this because even though Dusty was booking and Watts was in charge. of the entire company, they hadn't done anything like this in a while, and Watts recognized it. And he knew they needed

some fresh shit going on on the television, which is what our, again, our plan was, was to do more of these type of things if that had lasted, but he didn't, so we didn't. But that's the way you make

an inter-promotional or outsider angle somewhat legitimate. this was the first one they had done since Paulie and them came into TBS and fucking tackled us, which was, again, my angle, but that's when Dusty was booking and Dusty had approved it, so Dusty didn't mind doing my shit, baby. Well, again, we will return to this next time. WCW Saturday night, February 6, 1993.

And in the meantime, we're going to hunker down because bad weather's coming. it's a storm coming at em it's a storm coming so until the drive-thru and next week on the experience and we're going to talk about the AEW pay-per-view on the drive-thru and all these other things and they just keep going on thank you fuck you and bye-bye everybody