Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 633: Tickets To Wrestling School

Episode Date: May 13, 2026

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews The Heartbreak Kid: Becoming Shawn Michaels, and Curse Of The Von Erichs part two! Plus Jim previews Dark Side Of the Ring's 7th season, and reviews Mason Rook's debut in NXT, and AEW Dynamite's tribute to Ted Turner! Also, Jim talks about Raja Jackson's plea deal, bears, WWE selling tickets to their tryouts, and much more! Thanks to our episode sponsors: HEXCLAD:  Find your forever cookware @hexclad and get 10% off at hexclad.com/JCE #hexcladpartner BRUNT:  Save 10% off + an extra $10 discount on your Starter Kit purchase today by going to https://bruntworkwear.com/JCE and using code JCE.  #Bruntpod RIDGE:  One thing to pack, five ways to power! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code JCE at https://www.Ridge.com/JCE #Ridgepod Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

The midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Connest, the keys to the future. Michael's documentaries, the one about tragedy was more fun to watch than the one about redemption. Plus, T.K.O's selling tickets to wrestling school, you can get flying maired by your favorite. All that and more today and joining me, Hawaiian Brian the podcasting line, King of the Arcadian Vanguard Podcast Network, Mr. Co-host to you, he'll put you into Cobra Clutch for 40 bucks.

Be great, Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim. A pleasure to be here once again. Going to wrestling school. Although not attending wrestling school, I guess those are two separate things. Well, yeah, now you can just kibbets. You can just, am I screaming? It's one of those ear days where if, if I try to take a big old sniff and clear my sinuses,

my ear is going to pop, and then I won't be able to hear and see. It's kind of like when your tongue lops over your eye teeth and you can't see what you're saying. I'm trying to regulate my volume here. Am I screaming? A little bit, but not too bad. I'll bring it down because I want to save screaming for later.

Oh, this is one of those days, young man. when we got a lot of stuff to talk about, all kinds of things to talk about, but you can't put it in any logical order because most of it makes no logical sense. Just look at it like that. So if you're listening to the program, it's like the weather in the Ohio Valley. If you don't like what we're talking about, wait five minutes, it's going to change because this is all over the place here. But how's your day going?

so far so good a little busy a little hectic i gotta get back to editing when we're done recording and return phone calls and emails and has something to eat boy you're a you're a fun guy you are just a you need to what about when you would you take swami out to walk in nature and you a boy and his dog romping through the leaves and the fields and the farms and the various cattle and things. Then you've become a boy in his cow. There was a big bear on the property last night. The cameras got it.

What? Yeah, a big bear got on the property. Just started walking around by the cars, and then it went in the yard. And it was here for a while. The cameras luckily got it the whole time, but I had to walk Swami because he was at the door scratching. Like, fuck now.

What, no, wait a minute now. So I went out there. They said bears don't like loud noises. I was just screaming like, A! Ah! Ra! Ra! Okay.

We don't like loud noises either, but... But wait a minute. You've got a bear in the yard, and isn't, don't you have an emergency puppy pad somewhere inside the house for when it's goddamn thunderstorming or fucking lightning and things? And he rejects it. He has rejected the puppy pad since he was a puppy pad.

Well, if there's a bear in the yard, he can reject on the fucking carpet rather than go out in the yard for either one of you. with a bear out there. I was on the other side of the property. I thought I would be safe if I just yelled enough. How big's the fucking property? I had a flashlight.

I was kind of like moving around. How many feet would you be away from the bear on the other side of the property? In England, in American footage. I don't, I've never thought of it in terms of American footage or any footage. They'd probably still be pretty too goddamn close, is my measurement. I'm more of an expert in Japanese footage. Oh, God, damn it.

Like, the point is, is that I, I agree that you should... I was talking. The whole reason I wanted you to do this was take your little puppy dog out for father-son time and romping in the fields, but now you got bears, but you were still taking a dog out to piss with a bear in your yard.

Plus, I thought maybe there's a chance Swami would scare off the bear. You know, like sometimes little dogs scare off big animals? The fuck, Swami could kill a bear if it got stuck in his throat. But otherwise... No, you are more dedicated to the satisfaction of your dog's bladder than you are potentially your own life. To be very honest, no, there's nothing to do to the dog's bladder.

It had to do with the fact I don't want to have to, to be honest, ask Suzanne to clean up dogs shit or pissed somewhere else in the house, and I wasn't in the mood to do it. So I took a show. I risked my life. You throw yourself to the bears. he was on the other side of the property he was all the way down the hill it's a paper towel to pick up the turd you can pick the turd up by the clean end they do that on the wrestling programs all the time

he stole some french fries off the table i thought maybe there'd be like a little bit of a wetter poops i wasn't in the mood to deal with it in the house and what if it's not on what if it's on the rug because that it's not as easy if it's on something else or you just clean it up and then you go get a fucking lysol wipe and you wipe it a little bit if it's on the rug it's an issue if it's wet and like in the rug. And then it's like, Suzanne's going to be pissed because she has to get out. She's like a steam thing that she does.

See, you create problems. All I did was walk the dog. It took me two minutes. All I did to do was scream, walk the dog, and wave my flashlight around. And then I went back in the house and no one got hurt. Were your neighbors aware that there was a bear in the yard or did they just think that you were having a goddamn mental episode

at 1 o'clock in the morning or whatever out in your backyard? One of my daughters was watching me from the window, she said it was funny because I thought about that. As I was doing this, I was like, someone's going to think of a maniacs. I got to indicate what I'm doing. So I just yelled out, I kill bears. Ah, I kill bears. And I turned around, I see my daughter dying in the window. No.

What if the people two doors down are named the bears? That would be funny. That would be funny. There's old Richard Linda Bear. They've just moved in and well, they found him dead in their house. I kill him. I kill the bears. See, he could be brought into a goddamn circumcitional evidence.

So this morning when I woke up, I went in the yard. I just, you know, I checked around just to make sure he wasn't in any nook. And then also you have to look up to make sure they didn't climb the tree because that's my other fear. Like one day I won't notice a bear and it'll just like drop out of a tree. tree and jump on me. See, there's a lot of things to worry about. A lot of things to worry about here in rural America. God damn it.

Wait a minute. How many occurrences have there been even? We live not far and I've lived around the area all my life, the great Smuggy Mountain National Park where they're known to have a few bears. And I've visited there and I've never heard of bears on a widespread basis. just dropping out of the fucking trees and tackling people. I haven't either, but it's going to happen. Why are they climbing the trees?

Eventually it's going to be like, I found one. I got them. They're climbing to trees to get away from you because you're screaming like a fucking idiot. That's why they're climbing a trees. They're up there with your next door neighbors. Thinking you're goddamn having a mental meltdown and hopefully you're not armed. I don't go to their den and look in their car windows. Who?

Your next door neighbor? Are they... The bears. The bears. That's right. Oh, the bears. Well, I thought... I mean, if they do it to you, you're allowed to do it back to them.

That's the state law. Look at each other's windows. If they do it first, though, they got to do it first. And then you've got to look for the Cubs. It's called reciprocal peeping. You have to look for the Cubs, too. Because whenever there's a big bear, you've got to figure there's going to be little ones this time of year, right behind them. You see them sometimes in the road.

But no little Cubs. Apparently, this was just a big mama bear hunting for... Who knows what? It was a rogue bear that was unmarried and sexually frustrated and ready to fucking bite your ass. Anyway. Do you have bears in Kentucky in Louisville? Now, that's two different questions in the entire state. In a Louisville.

Let's focus on Louisville. Walking down fucking Muhammad Ali Boulevard and broad daylight, no. Ah, it's a bear! These people are screaming. for completely different reasons. As they walk down the streets in downtown Louisville, they are just, but there's no bears.

And you can laugh about it all you want. It's either I looked like a maniac or the other side is, my method worked. I was out there for two minutes, walking the dog, he peed, went back in the house. Well, can we come back to the bear facts about Kentucky? Yeah.

Yes, there are bears in the mountainous and wooded areas of eastern Kentucky, but up here again, we have deer. I've mentioned the wildlife situation, but we have never, to my knowledge, had a bear in our neighborhood. See, I felt good this morning when I saw the deer on the property because I was like, okay, if the bear was here,

they wouldn't be fucking around. Well, maybe they've declared a truce. No, they run from everything. They stare, and then they just take off. And then the other one's like, oh, shit, he's running. I'll run too. And they'll just run. Well, they don't like your smell.

You have something. How did this be? about you that offends them. How did this become insult Brian and his love of wildlife? Well, no, you're not saying, you're not saying that you're loving them and they certainly don't like you. You're screaming at the bears like a fucking lunatic. They don't want anything to do with you.

And you're staring at the deer while they're going about their business and you obviously have something off putting about your scent. Not screaming at the bears. They run away from you. I'm not screaming at the bears. I'm screaming to prevent the bears. There's a big difference. Sorry that not everyone has the safety of Castle Cornette.

Not everyone's in just safety all day without the four bears dropping out of trees and eating them. I was almost fucking killed by a rogue raccoon here not long ago that invaded the property. Rogue raccoon. I like that. That's a good name. Yeah. How can you say I'm safe here? It's just that I'm not out there screaming it unless it's people.

The only time I'm out in my yard screaming, it's human beings that I'm screaming at. think about it of all the times that I've told you that I screamed at something was anybody not a human being I don't think about that I don't know any tale of you screaming at an animal no or well I guess they're name of an object I even remember Harley like pooping in your office next to you and you'd be like oh that's okay that's so cute what a cute little poop I'm like what the fuck that happened here would be a nightmare It would be a catastrophe. Oh, no, no, no.

All righty. Anyway, can we do the show now? We barely started. Barely. This is your show. Well, and I said, I don't know what I'm doing, so I'll keep on doing that. We got some emails from the cult of court. I had several people that I want to recognize, acknowledge, or whatever the case may be.

And you should have gotten this one also. This went to both of us, but from Rose. who said, hello, Jim and Brian. My name is Rose, and I live on the island of Saipan in the West Pacific Ocean. She may be descended from Amelia Earhart. My mom and brother and I have been listening to your shows for almost eight years now together, and we've always enjoyed laughing at your shows on long car trips during the pandemic lockdown or cooking meals. We're very appetizing, Brian.

but Rose says my mom is still in Minneapolis, but I've moved across the world to Saipan. And every time we talk on the phone across our 15-hour time zone difference, we talk about your shows and pro wrestling. But right now my mother is very sick and it would mean the world to her if she heard herself get a shout out on one of your shows.

Her name is Lynette. Lynette in Minneapolis. We're shouting at you. you now. You better get better and feel better because you'll be better off. That's right. But you, she has to answer the question. Lynette has to get better and write in and tell us, what a fuck did Rose go to Saipan? Rose, you have not indicated past military service of some description. What would occasion someone to move from Minneapolis to Saipan?

Lynn, Rose is involved with the Saipan porn scene. Hey, no! Fucking everybody. And it's on film. Lynette, Lynette, Lynette, you're a hooty hoot. Hootie hootie hoot. Hootie hootie hootie hoot. Don't, hooty hoody hood.

Don't listen. No, come on now. But anyway, Lynette, get better soon. get well soon, get better quickly. Just go over and get Rose is what you need to do and bring her back from Saipan. What is the, Brian, can you Google Saipan? What's the population of Saipan?

Did Rose just go over there because she can take over the place? Any knowledge of, it's in the West Pacific Ocean. And I know that Amelia Earhart either was supposed to end up landing there or did, did she depart from there or not make it to there? I'm trying to remember now. The last documented words of Amelia Earhart were, let's get the fuck out of Saipan. No, it says Saipan is the largest of the northern Mariani Islands,

a U.S. Commonwealth in the Western Pacific. Pacific, Pacific, Pacific. It's characterized by sandy shores and mountainous landscapes and has several championship golf courses. Maybe she plays golf, Rose. Oh, so professional golfer or a, military person. Japanese memorials mark bonsai cliff and suicide cliff.

Sites from the 1944 Battle of Saipan. How many people that live there? It was my original question. Was that your question? Was there a question of all? You answered everything but, and we played golf. I don't know what the fuck. The population is 43,385, 50.9% Asian, 33.6% Pacific Island.

under 2.1% white and 0.2% others. And then there's Rose. So she's one of only 43,000 something people living over there. So she can have her way with things, I guess. But get better, Lynn. That's the point. That's the big point. That is the point.

And we got an email from Clement, who actually has, has, I wanted to, mention this because he's marked an achievement, but he said he started listening to the podcast with his mother who had been a cancer survivor for years, then started to suffer from dementia, and as he was not only taking care of her, but also he's got a wife and five kids, he listened to our podcast while he was up late nights and evenings and et cetera to enroll in a doctoral program in business and had our podcast to listen to while he studied to, he said keep him sane, but I don't really see how that we would help in that regard.

Sanity is not one of our strong points over here. But nevertheless, even his mother, unfortunately, passed away in 2024. He wasn't sure about continuing school, but he kept with it. and now he will be graduating in June in Knoxville somewhere. He didn't say where. But nevertheless, congratulations to Dr. Clement. He's going to be a doctor now, a doctor of funny business of some description. Congratulations, doctor.

And also, Chris from Boston, he wrote this, and it's amazing because, we've been talking about world class and the Von Erick's documentary. And I was going to bring this up later in the difference. You know, when they went to Boston, I thought it was, we went to Boston. I was on the card. I thought it was cool, right? Because, wow, I'm in, I've only been to business three years, not even. And we're drawing a house in fucking Boston.

Then when they started talking about Israel, I was like, all right, settle down now, cowboy. But Chris and his dad. would watch world-class wrestling. They would record it on Saturday mornings and then they'd watch it together on Saturday nights and they liked the Von Erickson, the Fantastics. His dad hated me, but the point is he says that we were a big part

of a special time in his life, father, son, time in the 80s with his dad, and we wanted to recognize Chris in Boston. His dad passed away on April 27th. and that's why he sent the email in. But again, is, you know, that's the thing is there were so many times in that era when different generations, right? We've talked about this. Now, how many kids are there?

How many grandmothers are there? Different generations would either watch the shows every week or if they went to the matches. they'd be going. It was something the families could do. And do you see, I know families, very well-off families, possibly with endowments from fucking major foundations, go to the WW shows now. But is indie wrestling or AEW wrestling,

or are those six, one-half dozen other, is that a family environment anymore? I think independent wrestling in a lot of cases should be, but regular independent promotions don't seemingly, well, I shouldn't say everyone, there are a few. They don't go after families. They're going after hardcore wrestling fans who will come with themselves or a few friends and react to the crazy matches, not a dad, his wife, who doesn't watch wrestling and a couple of kids going to a show at the local high school gym and seeing matches that are there to get them to pop. out of their seats and be entertained as opposed to. Look at the incredible athleticism, nonstop all night. No one can pin anyone. This is amazing.

And let me just also add my sympathies for Chris's loss. Yes. And, you know, all those different father, sons going on now, hopefully they can have that on TV, but it's harder to have it now in person because, you know, the shows of any major league level are so in it, in, what's the word I'm saying, intermittent in, you know,

anybody's market. You can't just go to your local wrestling anymore. But there are still some shows down south where they still do old-fashioned wrestling on spot shows because they've never really left. And so people have, the guys getting into business there, such as it is, these, days still see that, but you never hear about them.

You know, anyway. It's funny, we talk so much about, you know, we wish there was another billionaire, someone who could do something in between AEW and WW and do it right and do it serious and get rid of a lot of the things that both companies are guilty of. Maybe, you know, we always think too big. Maybe there's room and it's going to be a growing thing for something kind of smaller that just regularly run shows and does shows like that that people can afford. When you see what's happening with WWE,

you have to wonder how much of what's happening to the concert business right now is going to eventually affect them, where fans are rejecting people that were told are major stars going on major concert tours because the ticket prices are outrageous. And we've heard the complaints from WWE fans, It hasn't had a really big effect yet on ticket sales, but you have to think that there's almost room for low grade isn't the word, but just a small, well-run wrestling company that could do regular shows

that people could afford to go to. You know, entertainment always does good even in the Great Depression famously. Entertainment movies did great. So you're saying... But they have to be there. That's the point. I don't know how many options there are right now that aren't options that are well-promoted that aren't through the roof in terms of ticket pricing.

Yes, so you're saying that if somebody was to get together a decent roster of wrestlers and concentrate on a smaller geographic area where they could find or afford television penetration to advertise their product while not having their transatlantic. transportation costs through the roof and people being on the road away from their families and concentrate on local sponsorships where that they could plumb the wrestling fans in the select markets to go and patronize the companies that were sponsoring them. And that would lead to increased revenue and publicity in that particular area. That sounds like an idea that my work.

Have they ever tried that in wrestling? When was the last time they tried it? Well, I can tell you, it wasn't long ago. It's just not happening right now. There's nothing well-funded or at least funded. Well, in there, that's the problem. You know, if I had Tony Kahn's money and I had a wrestling company, I probably would have allocated a whole bunch of it.

And I know this sounds crazy. Or it could be anyone. It doesn't have to be Tony. I would say, you know, here's six towns. And it may not even be the biggest. But I want to run them every month for the next. few years, let's build these towns and let's have people return back to see things based purely off what they saw last time, not what's on TV or anything. There's just no working wrestling the way

concert promoters work concerts. There's no working local wrestling the way other forms of entertainment, big and small, are worked coming into a town, let alone one that would be regular, which is kind of a very old-fashioned idea, just no one really, no one with money tries it and tries it all in. There is the problem in that there has been no significant in the middle guy between the pittance that we saw like that Sinclair broadcasting was willing to pay

and spend on Ring of Honor for so long, or the, I mean, you know, Anthem has, T&A, but I mean, there's no millionaires on the roster up there. There's been nothing in the middle of, eh, we're getting by, and Tony spending literally, how many figures is that? Nine figures of, well into the nine figures of money.

Since he's been in business, there's nothing been in the middle, but Tony would have been smart to your point if he had I know he did Jacksonville because they owned the place, but that wasn't really building a market. I'm not sure they were, were they charging for tickets. No, that doesn't count. I don't think that counts, and they certainly didn't do it right,

but that doesn't count. But what I'm saying is whether it was the South and Southeast, which the cities are close together, they have a history of going to live wrestling, or whether it was the Midwest, because Chicago was a tremendous, wrestling market and you could branch off into Indianapolis and St. Louis and blah, blah, or whatever, even if he was on national television, if he had picked a part of the country that he could at least

establish a really good base where they wanted to see these guys and they wanted not only TV tapings but house shows and then branch out, but the problem becomes, Once you've seen one of Tony's shows, it's a law of diminishing returns. His finishes don't build the houses as they go along. They diminish them. They draw fewer people the more often they go back. So that there's a problem.

You remember as a fan, and I remember leaving a building buzzing about what's next. Just buzzing about what's coming either to the same building, in my case, in Assault Coliseum, maybe next month. Just buzzing about what could happen next. I don't know if people leave AEW with that feeling. They may feel fulfilled if they're into that style, but are they buzzing about, oh my God, what's going to happen next?

And I think that's one of the things in general missing. And it's affecting WWE, too. Because all they have now is people getting into the hype waiting for a moment and then everything in between a moment just as lacking right now. Real quick, just because I thought about this, what's AEW's annual deal right now? Do you remember, is it $180 million?

What is it? Sounds close. $170. What's $5 million among friends? A mere hand job. I thought this was interesting. 2025 pay, which includes $110 million in stock options because of the corporate restructuring.

David Zazelaw. Warner Brother Discovery, $165 million. So he's making it for one year, $5 million less than AEW is getting paid for being on TV every week. Think about that. Oh, well.

Maybe he wants to start a wrestling company. He's going to have a lot of money and time on his hands. If these son of a bitches, such as they are, the Nick Kons and the Ari E. Manuels and the, what was that fellow's name you just said, David Zazlov, Zazlov, or the Saul Zanzas or whoever of the world,

if they're making 50,000, 75 million, $160, whatever million, what should be the compensation for the motherfucker that finally comes in and cures cancer? Or what should be the compensation for the person who slides in and prevents this, childhood fucking disease or

handicap from reaching fruition or whatever when these stupid bastards just wearing suits and ties are going around trying to fuck the other guy wearing a suit and tie and probably don't know shit from apple butter about half the things that they bluff

their way through and they make that much money. That's why Jonas Salk is such a hero. right at the venue. Do you ever hear anything about Jonah Salk being a goddamn billionaire? No, he gave it away. He gave away the vaccine.

Well, somebody ought to paid him for it so that you could remember Jonas Salk as being a billionaire instead of this fucking weird looking goddamn drugged out Elon Musk or the rest of these other fucking sorry sacks of shit.

Hey, real quick, on the topic of Elon Musk, because I thought about this the other day. Serious question. It's going to sound silly, but a serious question. Would people think of him the same way they do, the people who support him really more than the people who don't, but the people who like Elon Musk,

would they think of him the same way they do if he rocked his natural bald head? Because if you see photos of him when he was, you know, in 2000, let's say, he was going bald. The hair was diving off his head. And now all of a sudden he's got hair. And obviously he really likes it

and he tries to look cool with it, but it ain't real. It ain't his hair. I don't know what he looked like. If he was a bald man behaving the same way he did right now, would he get the same free pass that he does from a lot of people? Well, you've got all kinds of creepy bald people in the Republican Party. There's that one guy from Florida that looks like literally like fucking Michael Berman.

We're talking about people that have young people thinking that they know something and that they're on to something and they behave cool. If he was bald. There's all kinds of people that think that they, Charles Manson, head of young people thinking they know. He wasn't bald. He wasn't bald. If Charles Manson was bald, do you think he would have been able to get all these girls to do everything?

Eventually he shaved his head, but that's different. Steve Austin. Steve Austin. He was bald and people did what he wanted. What the point is? Where back home? Hold on.

Back up a second. What were we talking about before baldness? Elon Musk. Bald. Jonas. I don't know what he fucking looked like in goddamn two. because I'd never heard of him until he burst upon the news the last several years, being a goddamn creepy Batman villain looking billionaire and then buddyed up next to

fucking Schittler. And I'm not worried about him being bald. It looks to me like he's got a replacement face on. If anybody has enough money, I think he's had his face replaced. The hair at all. He just had something else spread off on his fucking frame. Have you ever seen this guy? He's been in the newspapers for years, and he was just on CNN because there's a show

that I had on in the background, Kara Swisher. I think it's Caras Swisher doesn't want to age, or Caras Swisher wants to live forever, and she profiled this guy. He apparently is obsessed with not aging and de-aging, and he has had, like, his face looks, the skin almost looks unhealthy, but he has, like, a sleeping pattern, and he, like, keeps his own sperm, like, all these weird things. he's like a rich guy obsessed with not aging. I don't know how to describe me better than that,

but he's been in the news. Have you seen this guy? He's a rich guy obsessed with not aging, so he keeps his own sperm. Hold on, let me see what this guy's name is. I'm wondering, I'm trying to connect the dots and wondering how that one is going to fulfill the other. What is this guy's name?

Hold on. Here's the guy. Brian Johnson. From ACD.C.? No, it's Brian Johnson with a Y. If you can Google this guy and see who he is, tell me if you've seen this guy ever. I don't have my fucking Google thing in front of me,

my keyboard or whatever here. You throw me all off. I guess this story sucks then. All right, well. Well, I don't care what, why just tell me why he's keeping is his sperm? I don't know exactly why. I named it as one of the many crazy fucking things.

I'm concerned about this guy's sperm. I need to know what application is being made with this fellow's sperm. It's a sperm in the moment decision. Is there any explanation as to how he thinks his own sperm is going to help him live longer? Is he just fucking just recycling it? Just in one and not the other? What is that?

Because you're obsessed with sperm, my friend. As of May 26, biohacker, Brian Johnson, claims to have achieved world-first fertility results at age 48. reporting that his sperm contains zero microplastics and exhibits quality markers comparable to a healthy 20-year-old. His sperm count 330... Possibly he's had some contributions from some healthy 20-year-olds. His sperm count, which is 330 to 380...

Oh, excuse me, 330 to 380 million. Millions on the next... Oh! And concentration, 143 million, are reportedly over four times the average and exceed W.H.O. thresholds for fertility. In November 2024, Johnson had 165 particles of microplastics per milliliter in his semen. By May of 2026, he reported reducing this to zero,

claiming to be the first human to demonstrate this. I really don't want to go too much further into this man's sperm studies, but you get the idea. And what has made it that way, or is he just that way naturally? He's just full of spunk. attributes this to a strict protocol designed to reduce environmental toxins. Daily dry sauna for 20 minutes at 200 degrees Fahrenheit. Testicular cooling.

Using ice packs on the groin while in the sauna to protect against heat-induced damage. Jesus. And plastic avoidance, avoiding plastic food containers bottled water and using reverse osmosis water. It takes a lot of time to do all this. The other thing, it's like you eat time to do any of this. I mean, if you've got a sauna, I guess that would be even 15 or 20 minutes or whatever they said. But otherwise, just stay away from plastics and suddenly your goddamn sperm is as valuable as secretariates, is what he's saying. He previously improved his sperm quality by discontinuing testosterone replacement therapy.

Well, discontinuing it. and it went up and say, Jesus Christ possibly this guy needs to be a test case but what is his sperm going for on the open market now? Well, see, that's the thing we're talking about all this stupid shit he's doing. I don't know why he's doing it.

What the fuck's the point? You can't get her like more pregnant. You know, she's... Well, he... My fertility has to the roof. You'll get super pregnant. I don't know what the point is. This is part of the key of living longer.

apparently is that is his if I guess that's why he's saving it because then you would re-ingest your own testicular fortitude and then it would build it up and sort of like cholesterol right only

of another kind but what that he's he's marketing this is there like is there an ounce price or give me a gallon I can get a discount I don't know if he's marketing it but he's certainly promoting it because I've heard I googled Brian Johnson's sperm. So he's just a cum tease.

He's just teasing us about shit we can't get. Here's an article. Biohacker Brian Johnson details his own intimate semen microplastics report with never before a scene score. Yeah, his article's all over the place. So this guy's obviously like doing this. Here's the New York Post. Well, here's his Twitter. Yeah, and he put up a picture of his sperm so you could see how healthy they are

as if anyone would look at this and know what they're seeing. Oh, you mean like a microscope? Not like just laying on his stomach or something. He took a selfie, but it's like the microscope shit. That's right. Yeah, I guess the point is, once again, my condolences to Chris, and the show will get better.

Well, it can't go too far in the other direction. What have we done here? Did I plug the WHAS Crusade for Children is coming up? Brian, before we go too much further, I got to plug that. No, you have not. Saturday and Sunday, June 6th and 7th is Crusade weekend this year. Obviously, the first weekend in June, it's a tradition. What is this number 76?

I've lost count, but nevertheless. We'll talk more about it as it comes up, but remember, WHAS crusade. org is where you can go to find out all the things that they do. But over the last 70 whatever years they've raised closing in, I believe now on $200 million for the special needs kids in Kentucky and Southern Indiana, now all over both states really at this point now. And we always do something and recognize them every year. So look them up while you're listening to us.

You think Randy Atcher will be on this year? Oh God, now quit! Just stop it. We're talking about children. We're talking about charity. This is not the time to point fingers at people for making an innocent mistake. He looked so lifelike. The tape was 15 years old.

It was like a black and white kinescope they put on in the middle of the thing you thought it was live. No, I didn't know. They had color TV in Louisville, Kentucky in the 90s. I'm just telling you. I remember the day that my mom brought the head, the first color set. No, it was actually my dad got the first color set. And Randy Atcher was on it the following Saturday night on WHAS.

Anyway, speaking of people who have gotten some charity, should we jump into this now? And I'll come back to this other email I wanted to read you, because we got to talk about Roger Jackson, don't we? Now, remember when Roger Jackson was just the darling of all of the news sites and websites and it spread all over the place for him beating the piss out of this fucking indie guy at the outlaw show in California, Quentin Rampage Jackson's son, and everybody,

he ought to get the electric chair, he ought to be hung and horsewipped, he ought to, but whatever the case. Apparently money talks, Brian, negotiations have apparently been made. And the plea agreement is one felony count

of serious bodily injury. He's got to pay $80,000 in change, restitution, I assume, to psycho stew. And he'll be on probation for two years, which you know this little delinquent won't be able to, that'll be the worst part of this whole thing, is them keeping an eye on him for two years, them trying not to be a fuck up. But how much do you think that cost rampage?

Or do you think that the court just said, look at all these stupid, drunken, fat, bald, slovenly fucks and attention-seeking fame horrors streaming themselves and taking camera phones of themselves they should all probably just rot in the

seventh level of Dante's Inferno your thoughts Yeah I mean it's disappointing to see that he's basically getting a slap on the wrist for what could have been murder I think everyone is disappointed by this He did the smart thing.

He shut up and went away for a while. Everyone forgot about this. But, you know, Psycho Stew went through a lot and was bullshit. And the guy did it and he streamed it live. So I know this is what is happening criminally. I sincerely hope that Psycho Stu sues. I haven't heard that he is and I haven't heard that he isn't. But you would think with this story coming out, you would hear something.

But it just feels like this isn't enough punishment. That's just the way it feels to me, but you can tell me what you... Well, obviously, but... And I'm betting you that psychos... Boy, I'm going to try to say this. I'm betting you, Psycho Stu doesn't sue because either he's getting this 80 grand to begin with, and to him that's...

Wow, that's a lot of money compared to the... whatever he could get from the Jackson estate or the family there. But also, I bet you they've gotten to him, oh, Stu, it's the business or it's wrestling or whatever. He's one of these guys who wants to live and let live. I would live and then I would see you motherfucker in court after I lived. I'll live to see the day that you'll be hauled into court, you son of a bitch. And by the way, and it's been a while since we went through.

everything, but maybe not just Roger Jackson. You know, there was someone filming it. There was the promotion that actually housed and welcomed them into there. Yeah, there are, there are multiple. Which Rakishi just stepped down from, by the way, this past week. Yeah, yeah. I can't believe it took him this long. And it was like, you know, I don't even know if he gave a reason, but

I mean, it's not like that he was apparently involved on a day-to-day basis to with, but I can't believe he didn't back up immediately after this whole thing. But that's, again, there's multiple entities and multiple insured entities that would probably be culpable in a lawsuit if they chose to pursue that, which we'll see if they're smart enough to or if somebody's got to them and swerved. head arounds and heads around rather and they're not going to do it. Oh, I don't want to do that. Yeah.

I would, this motherfucker would be wiping my fucking toilets out when I was a drooling 97 year old. If I had to put Stephen P. New on him. Well, obviously, if Psycho Stew needs the Sue, you can call Stephen P. New, 877. Well, and we gave him that advice. And he'd never heard from Stu. That's why I'm thinking that, you know,

they've already done some kind of hush, hush deal, but it wasn't nearly as much as Stu could have got if he chose to sue with new. So boo! Get it in writing, Stu. A deal without a deal isn't a deal. And no three-month-out clauses. That's right.

That's right. But Brian, on a happier note, I see that Vice TV is officially announced the season seven episodes of Dark Side of the Ring that are coming up. Did you hear a premiere date? I'm even on the dagum thing, and I didn't get the email on this. Give me one second. I actually did see that.

Let me pull that. But the season seven of Dark Side of the Ring is going to be coming up. July 7th. July 7, there you go. So Mark it down on your calendars. Tuesday, July 7. of Tuesday night. See, right at the Louisville Gardens,

that's where they ought to hold the premiere. And I'm on a few of these episodes. I don't know how many, and I shall explain. One episode is about the big boss man, obviously Bubba Rogers, Ray Trailer, and I sat down with him for that one. And also they've got, cooperation from Ray's wife kids and, you know, I think that's going to be a really nice episode.

And then the Paul Orndorff episode, which again, I think this, you know, so much tremendous footage that they can bring to that. And they're getting some good interviews. I sat down for that one. I took Paul Orndorff's rookie wrestling pictures, Brian. That's how old I fucking am. What's the dark sign with Paul Orndorff? Orndorf, is it the arm? Well, just his story of, you know, having the great career, but then having the injury and the, you know, early athletic retirement and then the controversy when he passed away because of his illness and dementia and et cetera.

And also it's just a chance to get a nice, that's another guy. when does the W.W.E. fucking praise Paul Orndorff. I'm all for a Paul Orndorff documentary praising him. I was just asking about the dark side. I mean, it's dark side of the ring. It's not wrestling stories. It's the dark side. We're branching out. Since I bought half the company, we're branching out.

We're just doing things I like now. But it's going to be a tear-jurking episode, I promise. and the thing that everybody is, there's some other, Missy Hyatt, Missy Hyatt gets... Yeah, I want to see that one. That could be a very interesting one. You know, Missy Hyatt was not part of the Eddie Gobert one,

and I thought that was something that was an unfortunate decision that I understand why the filmmakers had to make it for that instance because they wanted someone else's inclusion. But Missy has an interesting story and has never been shy about talking about it. So I'm actually looking forward to that one. That could be good. And also, just to show everybody that I really don't pick all these episodes, they're doing one on Zach Gowen, everybody's favorite one-legged wrestler.

Are they going to get Laurenitis? Seriously, that's one of the stories with Zach Gowan. Everyone thinks about right away. I know, but only because it makes Laurenitis look like the biggest dip shit in the world, I can't believe he'll own up to that on camera. I think not. Will they get the other one-legged wrestler? Oh, that would be fucking great.

That would be fucking. Yeah, they gave me $75,000. You know, I got one leg and it helped. I was not consulted on these episodes, obviously, because of lack of expertise on the subject. Also, Renegade, who was that fellow in WCW that was the knockoff Ultimate Warrior, and apparently

and I didn't know that this was a newsworthy thing or the thing that happened or whatever but you might know better than I do Samoa Joe and Necro Butcher years ago on the independence somewhere

had a match where Joe just beat the shit out of it and it was famous on the independent scene of the time and has become the stuff of legend and I didn't know the fuck that it happened. Do you know anything about what I'm talking about? Vaguely. I don't, I wasn't really following that stuff at that time.

Well, in that case, then that's what some of the, just to show you, I don't pick them all, folks, but... I was never a NECRO butcher fan, so I didn't, other than when he was in Ring of Honor, I didn't see too much of him. And obviously him and Joe, you would think it was part of that, but it was never really my thing, so I wasn't really too involved. Well, he was not... He was a very nice man, but he was not a wrestler that I would have been booking for ever.

Anyway, but here's what's created the stir. And, you know, again, I don't know what people think they're going to see, but this is going to be one more interesting stories they've told because people on so many sides of it just loathe each other. but it's going to be a three-part episode on Jeff Jarrett, not only centering on T&A, but going back and talking about the Jarrett family, hopefully they do, we did in great detail, to give some context to everybody

on what they had already contributed to wrestling, but then he gets into this fucking fiasco, T&A, and all of the interplay for all of those years with the, you know, the millionaire's daughter and the fucking guy he thought was his best friend that's a lunatic and the whole nine yards. And then it, for a while it ceases being Jeff's particular story as much as the interplay of everybody involved in TNA, but it's the closest look that anybody's taken of the company from that time period.

And then, thankfully, Jeff overcoming his issues and having a nice time with his family. So this one doesn't get to be the dark side of the rig. Well, I mean, you're focusing on Jeff Jarrett. I think everyone, the thing that they're focusing on when they saw this was TNA, because no one's taking a shot at it really. and three parts about T&A, it could be the best thing they've ever done if they do it right. I fear that they're going to get a lot of Russo,

and whenever they do, they, for whatever reason, go to like a super tight close-up, so it's just all Russo all the time. Well, but I think that that actually helps. The more Russo that they feature, the more that it helps the case of everybody who's anti-Ruso, because then they start getting it. Oh, okay.

Did they get everyone who was, I mean, they got you obviously, they got Jeff, obviously. I'm assuming Rousseau, because he's been a part of previous seasons. Dixie, Dutch. Obviously, Terry Taylor's in WWE, so they didn't get him. Well, I don't have the entire list of people that contributed, but a lot of the major players and many of the ancillary characters, I understand, have been contacted and or were contact. There was ever a time to wish Jerry Jarrett was still, like. for him to do something about the history of TNA.

The beginning of TNA, because I want to make sure that's presented, just what happened, I'm sure it will be, what happened with him and Jeff, and it was all based around Jeff and Rousseau. It was all Rousseau based. It's crazy. I could sit and listen to Jerry Jarrett

talk about Vince Rousseau all day long. I mean, it was just, in that matter of fact, low, slow way he had of just sitting there and say, yep, you know, Vince Rousseau has to be screwing Dixie. There's no other explanation. They, it is, he believed it.

He said, there's no other way. That's the Sean Michaels Vince then. You try to wrap your head around that there's no reason anyone should put up with any of this. They must be fucking. There's no other reason. I cannot think of anything. It's the same thing. The, they must be fucking principal.

That's right. They have to be fucking. You just know they're fucking. But anyway, I gotta tell you, that is an intriguing thing, a three-part, they've done two-part episodes. I don't think they've done a three-part before. No. But three parts, again, I'm sure the Jeff stuff will be okay, but it's really about, you know, no one's ever written a book. I mean, Rousseau apparently wrote a book, but no one's ever really written a book.

Rousseau never read a book. But you know what I mean? No one's ever written a book about the downfall and the behind-the-scenes and just, the missed opportunity that was TNA and, you know, Brian Alvarez wrote death of WCW years ago, and it was such a funny book to go through and recount exactly what they did and exactly what they said,

and that made it funny. WCW didn't last as long as TNA, but there's never been like anyone that really just pointed out just how fucked up that television was and the booking was and the fucking, well, midgetts jerking off in the garbage, can just all sorts of shit. I can't speak for what everybody else said,

but there were many occasions I was asked about things such as that, such as that, as Aunt Lola used to say. And so if the rest of the people are following my lead, a lot of people are going to be talking about it here on these programs. Did they get Scott DeMore? I did, again, I didn't clear their guest list. They were in my home. I wasn't around anyone else.

They're chatty. I thought they would tell you. I thought they would just tell. Well, I think everybody wanted to fucking be anonymous on this thing until it comes out. It had time to get their affairs in order or whatever. We named a lot of people there. If I said who would be the best person to get about TNA that wasn't on that list, that would just give you the unvarnished truth?

Who would you pick? Oh, that who would be, who would tell you the truth about T&A? Dutch would, if they talk to Dutch, and of course Dutch, this was a number of months last year now, we shot that, but still Dutch's health has been bad, so I'm not sure whether they did. But Dutch would tell you the truth. Oh, Mike Teney.

Mike Teney would tell you the truth because they have no one to care whether they piss off or impress either way. Who would tell you the truth? Who would tell you, besides me now, we're leaving me out of this, I guess, excluding this is not the royal we. You know, it really is crazy. Don West is gone.

If you think about trying to do a thing about TNA, it's been around for so long now. They have, you know, to tell a story, I mean, you have to get Bisch off. You have to go to all these different people that were there because it's been such a long period of time and so many ups and downs and crazy turns. I'm looking forward to that.

I really want to see how they're going to tackle that. But isn't, I'm just thinking, isn't it just a goddamn shame that to really, I'm thinking of all the people that you could go to that would just tell you the truth about T&A and their experience there, an unvarnished fashion, and I got to four and one of them's dead.

I'd say Dave Sahadi, but I saw he put out a book and then two days later he had arrested. So I don't know if he's the best guy. Oh, no, no, come on now. What? Yeah. What are you saying? You don't know about this? No.

Hold on. I know he put out a book. Why would he be arrested? Someone read it. Dave Sahati wouldn't say boo to a goose. Hold on, Dave Sahati. There you go. It comes right up.

American multi- Keith Mitchell. Keith Mitchell, because I'm thinking of the wider group. Keith Mitchell, the producer of T&A, tell you the truth. They probably didn't talk to him. I have an article from Post Wrestling March 26 by Brandon Thurston. Producer David Sahadi charged with stalking issue statement denying allegations. So he's denying it.

He's saying that he did not do it. I would have to believe, Dave, and Steve Sahadi would try to sneak up on a squirrel at the park. What kind of fucking bullshit must this be? Who does that? Who sneaks up? on a squirrel. Why would you do that? Leave the squirrel alone. Well, I'm just saying he said, no, if you said, look at Dave Sahadi. If you said anybody

that's ever met Dave Saadi, Dave Sahadi would stalk someone and be arrested for it. What? They'd bust out fucking laughing. A stay-in-way order was entered on March 16th, directing Sahadi to stay away from the person he is accused of stalking. Post- Wrestling is choosing not to identify the person. He was arrested on February. Or tell us any reason for it whatsoever. apparently. He was arrested on February 10th and later released on bond. He has denied any wrongdoing in the matter. This was Chattanooga, Chattanooga Police Department. Yes, he's lived and again, he fell in love with the Chattanooga area and the mountains down there

when he started working for T&A and their office was in Nashville and he's lived there for years and years now. And this may be one of those fucking... Next door neighbor deals where the garbage is going over the fence or something. That's literally the only thing that could be. Mr. Sahadi through counsel is pursuing a civil action in excess of seven figures for defamation, corporate negligence, and the resulting harm. Corporate negligence. Do you think it's a company that's dumping their garbage over his fence? It's Dixie.

It's the Panda Energy. Are they still in business? I don't think they are, are they? I don't know. Maybe, you know, they've lost it all in the wrestling game. They were just mere Texas oil millionaires. They couldn't compete in today's high stakes. How much money can you possibly fucking lose on purpose wrestling business? Oh, yeah, they're not in business any longer. So what was, so the original subject was dark side of the ring,

and suddenly Dave Sahadi is auditioning. for the show. But I would, again, I would not read too much into Dave Sahadi being arrested except to say that it's obvious he's filing a defamation suit back.

This is a pretty interesting lineup. Again, I'd like to see the Missy Hyatt show, the TNA ones. Again, missed opportunity. Alberto L. Felon should have been one of the people on this season. He is... I think they just know they'd have to update it next year and they want to just

save it and do the whole. No, you wouldn't. You would be able to do part two next year. That's the difference. It's not updating. It's part two. Look at everything else he's done in the last year. He's still out. Part two. He's still out. He's still crazy. Alberta's back. Every month is at least

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Well, Brian, before we cook somebody else's goose, I wanted to read another email that I glossed over when we got started talking about bears and sperm. Emerson wrote from the United Kingdom

and I thought you ought to hear about he's had a major accomplishment in his life and I thought you ought to hear about this. You kind of figure into this. Did he find Lake and Palmer? No, no. He's not doing brain salad

surgery, he competed and completed a 50-mile ultramarathon. How about them apples? So he's a little bit. He said this past weekend, I completed a 50-mile ultra-marathon. It involved climbing multiple mountains with over 9,000 feet of elevation. I knew this race would take several hours, you think. so I held off from listening to the podcast for a few weeks. That way I had something to listen to whilst I ran and or walked the 50 miles.

Everything was going great. Your podcast helped me get through the tough climbs and the long, slow miles I was running. However, after running for 45 miles, I'd been on my feet for 13 hours and a new podcast came up. Unfortunately, it started with Brian's all. awful piano playing, and it was at this point that I thought about throwing myself off the mountain to end the pain that I was enduring. Sounds like a good thought. Try it. Emerson.

You fool. Yeah, see? Emerson, who clearly doesn't know music. He didn't say he was a musician. No, he said he was a fool. He completed an ultramarathon. A fool. A wannabe Darby, Darby Allen.

Oh, I'm going to climb the mountain, but I'll only go halfway, and then I'll go to the next Mountain, ooh. I don't like his piano. Oh, I'm Emerson. He's just, he's a man who has two ears. I'm a man. I'm Emerson and I'm a man. He was in a stressful situation.

He was nearing the breaking point. Maybe he was delicious. And you were enough to put him over the edge. Literally. You know, it's a good time to remind you there are people all over the world who are battling all sorts of issues and seemingly they find a lot of relief in my tickling of the Ivories. Seemingly, the music that we create here on the show has done a lot to lift people up and

carry people through the day. So I'm not going to let Emerson take away what this music has done for so many people. Also, I own the publishing. You are to tickling the Ivories what they're, were to captives in World War I when they pulled their fingernails out one at a time to manicurists. That's not nice. Is what you are. That's not nice at all.

Anyway, speaking of shit that just grated on me immediately. Bryant, you've had me, we're going to check in with the ancillary wrestling promotions for a moment. You had me watch the new guy in NXT. and his name is Mason Rook and I don't I don't even know where to start

otherwise than to say that it looks like somebody kind of tried to make a wrestling figure out of Play-Doh and it ended up looking like Mason Rook but maybe he's after he made it, he set it on the fucking windowsill in the hot summertime, and it got melting a little bit.

Come on now. Is it Rook or Rook? I don't know. Rook made me want to puke. I mean, I just, I don't know what, at first I was like, is it the fucking love child of dump Matsumoto and Crybaby Cannon?

but then apparently what they did was they, you've just pictured Crabbaby Cannon giving it to dump Matsumoto, right? And the offspring it would produce, yes. And the offspring it would produce. Apparently they had an angle a couple weeks gone on NXT

and they had laid out one of the guys and the guy who did it was leaving and suddenly this fat fucking guy out of the audience that they assumed or so one of the announcers said, is that a fan, jumped in the ring and he was wearing

like sweatpants and a fucking sweat top. And he did a moonsault on the guy that was down and he had the biggest plumbers crack. It looked like the plumber's Grand Canyon because his pants almost fell off of him with his belly flopped out. He had furniture disease where his chest was in his drawers. And it all flopped out over the fucking waistband.

And it looked like a fan. It just jumped in the ring and done a fucking moonsaw. And then he came back again this week. But now he was dressed in what allegedly was supposed to serve as wrestling gear on this, you know, fucking Michelin man type of. He looked. You remember Man Mountain Link, Rick Link from North Carolina? Of course.

He was a very nice guy, wonderful person, and he tried, worked very hard, but he had a body where the top of him looked like he should be 275 and below his waist. He looked like he should be 375. But he clocked in in the middle because of the two disparities in the, it's like somebody broke two different action figures and stuck them back together wrong. This, he has, this guy has no,

for a big guy, no impressive imposing body, his arms are, he's very pale. Again, at one point I thought, is this the new big bruiser in the women's division? But there's no, there's no

muscle definition to any arms, but they're also not as big as they should be if this guy's, fucking threaded whatever pounds. And then it gets bigger as it goes down. And his face, he looks like he's, he looks literally like fucking the fat kid and the little rascals. Like that he's just seven years old. Facially.

Joe Cobb or chubby? No. Who was it fucking? Was it Spanky? Oh, Spanky McFarland. I can't remember. Nevertheless, the point being, what the fuck, this would be like an office rib. And back in the Vince McMahon days, if you took an 8 by 10 of this guy and put it in a folder and told some idiot that you wanted to fucking get fired or just get blistered, go take this to Vince, tell him it's the new wrestler you just signed. I mean, what the, and he's apparently from across the.

pond because when he yelled in the camera that he was Mason Rook and I am here. He's got an axe. Well, I'm sorry, that was, I'm Mason Rook and I am here. He wasn't fat like a Jerry Blackwell or a Bam Bam Bigelow. Holy shit, this giant guy's going to kill me fat. He's just fat like, God, this is a guy that you would see in a physical therapy place. and his voice is not in any way

fearsome or intimidating but the face you can't get around the face unless they were going to do some kind of gimmick where he his mother lived near Chernobyl and he's only 11 oh come on now there may be something there to that

what kind of gimmick is that he's six feet tall and he's 300 some pounds that he can do all these goddamn wrestling moves, but he's 11 years old because he's from Chernobyl and his mother is fucking radioactive. Do you ever wonder what kind of wrestler John Candy would play if it was the early seasons of SCTV and he played a wrestling? There you, D.S. He looks like a child John Candy. Again, he's new. Apparently he's worked on the Indies and they've signed him and he's now

Mason Rook. I'm happy when I see a wrestler who doesn't have the, what has become the typical wrestlers look. Well, you get more... I'm happy when there's variety. I'm happy when there's variety and you have different sizes, different sizes, I guess we just focus on that. But this is no... The thing is the youthful look on top of everything else. Because if all this went the way it did and he was wearing a mask, I don't know if it would be the issue it is.

no if you if you put him in a top with sleeves and a mask and he can do all that shit i don't know what the gimmick would be but that's the only way that it's really visually palatable to i mean you know again there's a reason why that you know not everybody is suited for every occupation if you're casting a movie about Roman gladiators would this guy get a job? I'm just, I've never, I don't even, on the Indies, Tony Falk looks like Dick the Bruiser next to this guy. You know, and again, Tony DiAngelo is getting a big push there.

I think he's the top baby face now. He's got long hair, you know, it's in a ponytail, but it comes out, it goes wild, he's got a beard and mustache, looks like a man. when the turnaround and walk to the camera happened, that's the cringiest thing I've seen on wrestling in a long time. That wasn't like just ultra gore. Just as he's slowly walking to the camera, I'm thinking, oh no, what is this?

This doesn't seem right. He's like Prime Rosie O'Donnell with a different haircut. I googled him the first image that came up. Someone wrote, what do you think of Mason Rook? It's a picture of Chas Bono. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Pay well, that won the Internet.

There's no way to get around that one. I'm just, you know, again, they're doing it. They're putting him in the main event scene, attacking the top guy in NXT and two big moments on their show. They see something in them. It's just, like you said, it's the least imposing look on, you know,

someone who should be a, someone who's dominating the other wrestlers right now that he's going in there with and attacking them. But there's no intimidation there. It just, there's something, a mask or glue a wig to his face? I don't know. Well, but he, yeah. Glow a wig to his face. You know, I mean, if you covered the face up, you'd still have the body. And even with a full body suit, you'd still have the body, a full body.

a full body suit, he'd look like the Hindenberg. And he looked, and he's built like the zombie sailor, King Kong Bundy figure. It's really funny. You know, and, okay, and somebody's going to point to Bund, oh, what about Bundy? But I'm just,

I invite everybody that is just scoffing at what we're saying to just look at what this fellow looks like, is all I can say. It's, it's very odd. I'm dying to know how old he is. I think he's 11. you think he's the Chernobyl cherub, that's right. Oh, see, there you, we're already selling this guy.

No, we're not. The Chernobyl cherub, Mason, Gruch. The little 11-year-old boy, he's wrestling to win money to get back to Russia to reunite with his mother and his family. He's only 11, so the heels take advantage of him, and then he busts out a moonsault with his big bad belly. and then also later on he could be he could be have radioactive powers too he could make his his breasts grow unnaturally large and it just by thought it'll be interesting to see what happens now and obviously this is a sign of some of the new people they're introducing to the top of nxte as a lot of the people who have been at the top are getting called up to the main

roster because they're releasing wrestlers who won't take pay cuts i didn't realize the new day signed a five-year deal i just read that that before. They had a five-year deal. They were in year one of the five-year deal. Oh, J. And that's when they came to them and said, we'll either cut you or you have to take half your salary. That's insane. I'm telling, I, Gallows and Anderson, when they did that to them years ago for much less money, we aren't even talking to a million dollars a year or whatever. It was like $750. And as soon as, remember AEW debut, they had signed them to keep them away, but then when they hall AEW six months later they fucking cut them and I would have been them I would have been

familiar with the street address of Titan Tower and the price of a baseball bat at the Dick's sporting goods in Stanford but you're signing a three-month contract now to be a professional wrestler with the WWE because they hey Brian they have to feed the con fan family and the Emmanuel family and the Levec family and all the other, and the Shapiro family. So they can all hire their family to come work there? How many of those people you just named have family members that work in WWE? Right, Ari Emanuel's daughter I heard was working there? Yeah. How long before Paul Aveck's daughters were all working there? Sean Michaels's kids are working there. There's a lot of people who get their family jobs with WWE once

you're in and they seem more than ever to want just people and their families that work there. Well, there you've got it. Who's Mason Rook related to? He's the son of Bastion Bougar. Oh, come on now. You've gone too far. I put Bastion booger in your head the other day. Now you've got to do this.

Well, I'm trying to think of a bastard giant blobs of jelly of the past. But good luck to Mason. We'll stay on top. Now, I'm intrigued to see it. No, you stay on top. You stay on top. of Mason. I'll maintain a respectful distance. They see something in this guy, so I want to see him work a match. I want to see what they see that would cause them to do what they just did.

So we will stay on top of the scene, is what I might say. Yeah. I don't know if I could see something in this guy if they stood him behind an x-ray machine, but we'll find out. Speaking of not seeing anything in something, we must, we promised that we would do this, even though I'm again clean and sober now for several weeks from AEW programming. I said I would keep track if they do anything really stupid or accidentally really great, and stupid has happened a time or two. But this week, they did two things.

One was, they tried hard to do something good and almost succeeded. and then on the other one it was as nuts as usual. But Ted Turner passed away this past week. We talked about it. You and I did on the drive-through a couple days ago. But on the dynamite program on Wednesday night, obviously they wanted to do some kind of tribute and that's where they started the program.

And Tony Chivani was in the ring. and you got to give it to Tony. He did probably the best speech, presentation, you know, in what he said at the top of the program and the honors that he gave to Ted Turner there and when he started in TBS and blah, blah, blah, blah. He did a wonderful job there at the top, didn't he? Right until he got to the introduction of his next guest.

But before we get there, that was very good by Tony. I had to applaud him for that, off the top of his head in the middle of the ring. Well, that's what it is, off the top of his head part. That was one of the best things Chivani ever did because he didn't come across like a guy playing the role of wrestling announcer who's over the top. He added something and he spoke from the heart and it seemed genuine. There was no teleprompter. He didn't have a script that he did all that off the top of his head as smoothly as he did it.

is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen them do. And I thought it was a nice and a fitting tribute, a fitting way to start the show at that point. I knew they were going to do something. You could say what you want about Tony Con, and a lot of people pointed out that old tweet where he said he knows more, well, is it, Ted Turner doesn't know 1% of what I know about wrestling,

but, you know, that aside, that was just him being flippant. Tony respects, I think Tony more than maybe anyone is in love with the idea that his show is on Turner Network, TBS and TNT. Yes. So it was a fitting tribute, and then it got a little, for me, it got a little weird. Well, that's the problem, because then Tony introduced it.

Here's another man who, you know, his career was intertwined with TBS and blah, blah, blah, Sting. And Sting came out. He had the face paint, but no makeup. or face paint but no makeup, face paint but no music. But to tell the God's honest truth, if there was a time that he should have come out with no makeup and the sunglasses on, at least,

wouldn't that be it? But he comes out. I would have preferred he came out and actually thought about what he was going to say. Well, that's the next part I was going to. Well, unfortunately, he had. Brian, Sting is a wonderful person That is a iconic wrestler

But as someone who has tried to produce him on numerous Live interviews on television programs of the past I'm sure he still, he gave it a lot of thought And it went out there and fucking lost the plot Because that A few fans also here So anyway, here comes Sting, no music because of the song

occasion, but he's still, he's painted like a panda bear. But a few of the fans are like, holy shit, holy shit, they forgot already there at a tribute. The fans did. But then when Sting got in the ring and Tony, you know, said something to him, he takes the microphone and he's wandering around the ring and he's cutting a wrestling promo about Big Ted. That's what we, Big Ted.

And he told the story about, I swear, If you just give one second of thought to what anybody's fucking saying, he told a story about when all the executives, some of them in TBS, they didn't want wrestling. And he's trying to make Ted a baby face. I understand that. He could have said some of the executives were against the wrestling company,

no matter how successful we were. But Ted Turner always had our backs. But instead, he said, the executives in WCW or TBS were always against a wrestling company because they'd say, Ted, it's always in the red. And then Ted said,

don't worry about it, boys, I got deep pockets. What the fuck? He never, Ted Turner never said, just lose as much fucking money as you want to lose. He made flip- But Big Ted did. Big Ted.

Ted Turner would make flippant remarks every once in a while when faced with someone said, well, so-and-so is going to cost, well, I got deep pockets that type. But no. But he's doing a wrestling promo. He's rambling around the ring. He's thanking Big Ted like three or four times. He told everybody that the WCW that they remembered so fondly, apparently even during the attitude era. losing money like a goddamn

sim. He called him billionaire 10. He called him billionaire 10. He called him billionaire 10. And then when Tony tried to get somewhere again, somewhere he tried to reel him in, but they've only got one microphone. So Tony

gets a microphone and asks Sting about the main events. Say, well, it must be great for you to be here and see Darby Allen of whatever the fuck. And Sting snatched the microphone away from Tony. again and fired him up about Darby. And thank God.

Now remember the Ted Turner fucking tribute is not concluded yet. He's fired him out. And now we've got a second all in billionaire, Tony Kahn. I felt like I said, who's going to go to him and say, Tony? They're always in the red. But now Sting has lost the tribute plot completely. and Tony Gov comes back to Ted Turner and then tells the story that fans, I know this will be incredible and hard for you to believe,

but if you look at the plates on the side of our T&T and TBS belts, there's actually, one of the plates has like an outline drawing of the old TBS studio on Techwood Drive. That's true. And Tony pointed that out and it was like he was pointing out to a, doctor where he was having the kidney pain. But so he talked to, and Tony Kahn designed

these belts himself as a tribute to Ted Turner and TBS and then they did a tin bell salute after Sting has been out there whooping like a maniac they've got to people to stand up and remain silent for this somber ten bell salute

is like a goddamn funeral service right after the Indian attack on the fort. and then Sting and Tony hugged and they did a Ted graphic and a fade to black and then came up with the show open. And to be honest, we talked about Ted Turner's influence that he did have a great one on the wrestling business, but there were plenty of dry eyes in the house, right? And nobody, whenever they would say, well, Ted Turner's passed away, people are like, really, really, they didn't particularly, should that have been better done maybe as a pre-tape the two air before the live program began for the television audience and play it on the screen

for the folks and then get into some programming or, or but then you'd blow the biggest, the pop was the staying entrance because he was unadvertised, but they seemed unmoved by the reason for him being there, Ted Turner's unfortunate demise. Well, who knows why that is? And a lot of it could be,

because Ted Turner has not been a player on the national stage in a long time. So if you're a fan who's not my age, if you're a little bit younger than me, you may not know who he is. Yeah, this crowd did not seem like they came from Ted Turner. Or, and I think this has become really apparent, as if it wasn't already, but especially the last few days, the years and years of propaganda against Ted Turner that Vince McMahon was obsessed

with, for a lot of people it worked. They really believed he was this mean billionaire, how to crush the people's WWE, which of course is nonsense. I was just seeing some the other day that one time Dave Meltzer was talking to Vince McMahon about the, I think it was the 92 scandal with the ringboys, and Vince was telling Dave Meltzer then Ted Turner is behind it. He's had a weird obsession with Ted Turner for a long time, but it played out in public. Ted Turner has not been around in a very long time.

WCW went out of business in 2001, or was sold in 2001. That may be it. I think a video would have been nice. I don't know what they would have used, but they would have been. It's Turner Networks. You've got to think they would have something there.

I would think some of his home movies were laying around. I thought it started really well. This was the best of Tony Chivani. I thought it ended okay. Giving him the 10 bells was the right thing to do. Sting needed to read the room. I mean, don't invite him to speak at your funeral, I guess, is the point. Jeez, I don't know what he's going to say.

And then Big Brian, he said, I got balls of steel, baby. I never heard him called Big Ted before. I heard him called Big Ted like five times in this fucking thing. Big. I think Stiff forgot what his name was. Big, uh, Ted. But nevertheless, uh, that happened on the program. And again, they were, also it was not a demonstrative crowd because it was not a large crowd.

they were 2,300 people apparently, they were in North Charleston, South Carolina. And I know some people are going to say, why the fuck is the north, isn't it Charleston, South Carolina? In whatever fashion that it's happened over the years, the city of Charleston, which is right on the ocean down there, on the very bottom of South Carolina, now the big arena that is there,

and they've spread out, and the city of North Charleston is like, whereas the old city of Charleston still retains some of its antibelom charm and, you know, fucking old-fashioned architecture and et cetera, North Charleston is the big deal hopping area of town, apparently now. And it's right north of downtown. You would have never guessed that, would you, Brian?

I feel like I'm there. Listen, if you describe this. You feel like you're literally on the streets. But here's the thing. I know people might think, well, that's the old Carolina territory. Do you know the one town of all others in the actual core North Carolina Jim Crockett Promotions Territory that I hated to be booked in above all others? Was it North Charleston?

Charleston, South Carolina, because it was not a big money town, even in the boom period of Crockett promotions in the 80s. Now, back in the 50s and 60s and 70s, you've seen the stories of Mike Mooneyham has put out a lot of the articles when he did the post-currier column and, you know, histories of the Carolinas

have talked about Charleston promoter Henry Marcus, the county hall and the way that they used to pack the building out the county hall was a smaller building but i can see where if you could if you could use the balcony by the time that we started working there in the mid 80s that had been condemned they were afraid if you let people up there it would fall off the wall but it was one of those old buildings where in the back in the day you could have jammed 2,500 people in that fucking thing and they were ran it every week and it was a hot building with crowd heat and temperature heat, it would have been a fantastic atmosphere, right?

But by the 80s, for whatever reason, first they never stopped until the mid-80s going to County Hall and they renovated it and over the years they made it a King Street Palace. I think it was a theater and then they renovated it again and made it a part of a like condominium fucking complex or whatever. But it was a historic building, but by then it was a piece of shit. It had to be, it was built in at least the 20s.

And the curtain that was hanging on the stage because it was kind of like an auditorium type of thing where you had a big stage with those big 40 foot high velvet curtains and then a big arena of floor where you could play basketballs, like a basketball floor, and then a upper balcony.

So you could get a lot of people in there. And they did political conventions and everything in that building since the, like I said, the roaring 20s. But the curtains smelled so much like mildew. If you walked too close to it, it would knock you down and make your eyes water. And the goddamn balcony had been, as I said,

it condemned where you couldn't let people in it because it was dangerous. And there were those two and three-inch long coastal roaches running around in the corners of the locker rooms that were still heated with fucking radiators. And nobody was coming. And then they went to another building and I can't even remember because by then it was not a regular town for Crockett.

He only ran it every so often. Columbia was every two weeks. Greenville was every Monday night. Other places at Spartanburg, South, but not Charleston. And then, even then, when WCW took over and was running the newer building in North Charleston or the WWF in their head,

you know, it wasn't a big money town. And of all the places in South Carolina that you could run, I'd stay away from fucking Charleston. I don't know, it just, it don't work. MLW moved there. Did you hear that? Was that because they thought they could draw a crowd down there

just because court moved there to be on the beach after he got the 20 million? Where could I go that MSL won't find me? I know. Charleston! But I mean, there's great restaurants and there's wonderful, like I said, the old 1800 southern architecture.

And it's a very artsy, community, but it hasn't been a big money wrestling market since the 70s. And then it was just, it wasn't big money. It was just consistent. It was a couple thousand people, you know, every week packing the little building. Well, that's what they're looking for. From everything I've seen from the upcoming dynamites that Russell Ticks has been tracking the ticket sales for, seems like everything is kind of in that range, 2000, maybe at most 3,000. The average dynamite, that's the crowd they're looking for. And those are the buildings. They're trying to book. well maybe they could have the next show they do down there

Tony con could talk to the condominium people and see if they can just rent several of the condos just open up everybody's doors and it'll still work like the old county hall Henry Con Marcus yeah the the condos but yeah Henry Marcus the promoter who I think he had to be 95 when he passed away a while back or whatever but he was the last link when we were there to the old Jim Crockett senior days and all the local promoters of each town.

He was a real pip. He was a real piece of work, old Henry Marcus. He was about 5'3 foot 3 and probably weighed 16 pounds because he was mostly made of dust by that point. All right. Speaking of people that weigh 16 pounds and look like they're made out of dust, what were you going to say? Real quick, I have an update.

one of my neighbors is posted on Facebook. They had two bears at their property last night. So there's another one on the loose. Oh, now is this one of these fucking neighborhood bear measuring contests? No one's measuring. Oh, well, you had two bears. Well, I had three bears over at my place. There were so many fucking cameras in this neighborhood.

Everyone's like bragging, like, look, look at the shots I got. Look, this other person got shots, too. Well, you ought to write this guy back as, hey, look, the bear ate my dog and one of my children. How about that? Why would I do that? just see if he can top it. It's a she. Well, then she's going to have to work harder, isn't she?

The bear just came right into the camera. Oh, man, it's right up his nose. Oh, my God. Oh, that's so amazing. Is this alive? No, this is, oh, I don't know how I can show. Why are you screaming? I was doing live comedy.

I thought the bear had attacked the woman with the camera. No, it would have been going, Ah! I kill bears! Oh, damn. So this is a stationary camera. this is not a camera that the woman was holding when the bear attacked the woman

with the camera. That's just a camera friendly bear, just a typical. It's a yogi. It's looking for a picnic basket. Well, boo-boo, speaking of boo-boos, what about, we were going to keep everybody up on they had a main event in AEW that could tell a story.

We've talked about this, Will Osprey, MJF, The one thing that I've been keeping up on that they've been doing is with each of those guys in AEW because I wanted to see how badly they could botch this whole thing. And we've said if you want to look back on the YouTube channel for the previous clips, we've told the story of what they could have done with Osprey and MJF going to Wembley Stadium. But instead, MJF loses a title to Derby. then MJF gets beat by Kevin Knight. Meanwhile, fucking Osprey was beaten by everybody, including the front desk clerk at the hotel, and is resorted to training with the top heel group

because they've told him that he's basically an idiot, doesn't know what he's doing, and he's a loser because he got beat so bad by the mid-card baby face that the doctor had to stop it. I could go on. So this week, not only is Osprey still training with the heels, Brian, but MJF is trying to get his world title back

from Darby Allen who beat him in two minutes a few weeks ago. But this week, Darby Allen beat Kevin Knight, two baby faces, had a match, took him everything he could do to beat Kevin Knight. Kevin Knight's the guy that beat MJF

last week. So both these guys have beaten MJF. So MJF comes out as the third horse in a three horse race and challenges Darby to get his title shot back so he can win his belt, blah, blah, blah.

Brian, if you were Darby Allen, wouldn't you, if somebody offered you a hot meal and a warm pair of socks at this point, would you do? He just, they expected people to believe. This is, when you have MJF who got over and was first notable for seeming real and working and telling the truth in this spin

where you couldn't tell one from another, he has to come out there, and he has to say to Darby fucking Allen, okay, what about if I put up my scarf? What about if I put up my diamond ring? Well, that actually could be a wrestling stipulation. Darby don't want that. All right, what about if I put up $1 million

dollars and the people just sat there because what the it's just ridiculous not only the offer but the response when Darby Allen said no i used to sleep in my car and be homeless man i know your money means nothing to me it seems like if you had been lowered to having to sleep in your car and be homeless like the irresponsible post-adolescent loser that you were, that you'd want that million dollars, so you never had to resort to that level of subhuman existence again. Well, there's a difference between people who live in their car because they have to and they don't have options and people who live in their car because they choose to

because they want that experience. I think he was wanting the experience because he had no choice but to have the experience. I don't know. considering that this guy's been a fuck up at every other aspect of his life, one would imagine, but nevertheless. But the point is,

a million dollars, Brian, I know everybody's smart and it's all show business, but would it be maybe just a tad bit more ridiculous if he said, how about my spaceship?

I'll put my spaceship up. I will give you all of my sperm. Well, now that might be realistic. The million dollars thing did seem a bit comical, just because it was, no one believed it. I mean, no one believes it. If you're saying things that no one believes

by the time you say it, then you should probably have something else to say. The diamond ring seems realistic. Yeah, and it's a wrestling stipulation, right? The scarf is the thing that the heel offers that's meaningless and trivial to belittle the baby things. face.

And then the dynamite ring would be a wrestling stipulation. And then M.JF could have said, look, Darby, I'm obviously more successful than you are, and I have a much better contract than I'm also a bit rich from the start. So here's a blank check. And just take the blank, make it a blank check instead of saying an amount. And if you're going to have him turn it down, because then he can say, I don't care how much money you offer me. But he hasn't just turned down a ridiculous fucking offer. Like Danhausen's out of it. It was a spaceship and a

blimp and a goddamn billboard. And then Darby cuts the problem. He said, this is great too. I want something dear to you and nearer to you. I want to take something away from you. That's wonderful baby face motivation. But then he says, I want what you flew 15 hours to turkey for, I want your hair. Here's a thing. Besides the fact that they're using it in an angle,

how did anybody find out that MJF flew to Turkey 15 hours each way to get a hair transplant? I can understand if a guy shows up and he's got a hair. Believe me, I question Stan Lane. but Stan said, well, yeah, I got this thing in Jersey. But fucking turkey? And besides, Stan said that to me. He didn't broadcast it around the entire goddamn wrestling world. Would MJF have admitted that he went all the way to Turkey for a hair transplant?

And now they're just using it in promos? Wouldn't that be something that you would, like the old, days when the Hollywood actress went off in seclusion to have a fucking abortion or whatever the case? You would think it's something that would be kept quiet. I first saw, I think I first saw it online with one of the AEW wrestlers kind of having like a worked back and forth with MJF on Twitter and they said it and my first thought was, oh, he must have given him permission to say this. Did he get a hair transplant? Because I'm not saying he had a big thick head of hair, but it wasn't all gone or anything.

So the idea that he came back if he did have a hair transplant, if he didn't say anything, I don't know too many people would have noticed. Well, that's a, I mean, if that they've called attention to it, you can look at it and say, yeah, it does look different, but

before the worst thing that you might have thought was he's using a can of that Wahoo McDaniel fucking spray black or whatever. But now they're talking about him going to number one, if he told why would you tell somebody you fucking so vain that you went to fucking turkey to get air transplants that's stupid but if he didn't tell him somebody else told him if he's not telling

them it's okay to talk about and i believe i'd add some words with people but again this whole goddamn thing it even in a standard wrestling angle okay hair versus title they find some way to devalue a member of the goddamn match at the same time. So MJF's got fake hair he went to Turkey for. But nevertheless, so now MJF is going to win the belt back. So apparently Darby got to win it in his hometown, despite the fact that it made no sense to this story whatsoever

and just derailed MJF's momentum unnecessarily. But then MJF gets to win it back in New York. So hopefully he can still. defend against the fucking loser, a baby face that has been beaten like a drum and is being smartened up and trained by the top heel group to come back and win in his hometown.

It's everybody's hometown. If they come to Louisville, should I just go down to win the belt real quick? Yeah, I think I'd be a good idea. Make a few bucks. Next week is Darby versus Okada for the title. so we have a little bit of a ways to get to MJF and Darby. You know, hair versus title, kind of you would think secure.

It's either Darby's losing the belt or MJF has a movie role as one of the baldies. I mean, those are the two options here. I don't know how that works. If you get a hair transplant, can you just shave your head and it looks? Can you shave it? Yeah. I don't know how that works. I don't know anything about it.

I wouldn't be goddamn testing the parameters of it if it was me. and he's not the only guy in the business who's gone to Turkey he's just the only one who seems to have talked about it enough so that they made it into something I don't again I don't get it but that's their big match and they've got almost a sellout I think at Satchmo Stadium Louis Armstrong Stadium Satchmo Stadium and also is that's the first time that anybody's ever said that a lot of the guys to business have gone to Turkey

yeah I think it is I think it is since laud this Turkey's this business have gone to pot. Well, we'll keep track on everybody's, what appendages they're losing, hair, belts, various types of things such as that. You know what they're not losing? What's that? They're boots. You know what?

They're not. They should burn them in the middle of the ring, quite a few of them. But they're wrestling boots, not their work boots. Because even the guys in the business have come to realize that you may, want to wrestle in wrestling boots but when it comes to getting out in the mud and the muck and the blood and the beer and the bullshit on the farm and all actually the bullshit anywhere that you may live the brunt workwear boots are the ones you need to wear and that's why i've talked about these and brine i was out just a couple of days ago the monroe brother it's spring has come early in the

Ohio Valley because the warmer temperatures. The leaves are all out now, so I'd walk the property. It's the sassafras tree in the back. We soil-drenched it, but it ain't doing very good. The maple tree is just overtaking it. They're coming

right out of the ground together, and that new maple is, God damn. It's just spreading out everywhere, but the sassafras tree may have to go. But that's the kind of things that I determine when I'm wearing my maryon, Brunt work boots, which are high quality without the heavy, uncomfortable feel of

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I guess they got the four horsemen coming up on A&E and the Road Warriors they've announced, blah, blah, blah. But this was, what was this on one of the many plethora of the streaming services? This was Netflix. Peacock. Peacock. Peacock, that's it.

And Peacock is the lame duck, right? They gave them this. And like, here, take our table scraps. I the only explanation I have for this documentary and I have seen more exciting educational films they used to show in grade school about the horrors of VD than this program but is Sean Michaels running for office somewhere? No, not that I'm aware of. Did they just say, okay, we're going to make an hour and a half documentary, the sole purpose of it is to make people like Sean Michaels. And we're going to make it as boring as possible.

And when his wrestling career is over, we're going to go another 40 or 45 minutes. And we're going to let everybody talk about how wonderful he is to tell them a fucking finish. Did you, so you liked it? Oh, God. It was, as, again, again, as exciting and interesting and captivating and or whatever at various points that the Von Erick documentary was, whether it was the highs when they were the king rock stars of DFW

or whether it was the lows or whether just whatever. This was just a redemption piece to get people and the people that hate Sean Michaels then had to come out and say, but now he's a great guy. I just, but also I thought it just, it was slow and it was repetitive. And for a guy that had more exciting matches than almost anybody else in the business, you didn't see that much of them. Did they just catch me on an off day or did you particularly, were you captivated by this?

I can't say I was captivated. You know, when I watched this, the thought. that popped into my head, funny enough, was to the Victor go the spoils. Him and Triple H played the long game, and now it's their narrative, and it's their history.

They still can't tell the truth about Montreal. They leave out all sorts of shit and change history. They pretend like Sean was a bigger deal than he was when he was the worst-drawn WWE champion other than Diesel in history, which was right around the same time people started going to WCW Nitro and why.

watching that. So, I mean, there's a lot of revisionist history I always feel around how big Sean Michaels was. Not to say he wasn't great in the ring. He's one of the all-time best in the ring, but as I always said it, Sean Michaels had the best performances. Brett Hart had the best matches. And those are what matter more than single performances, which are just you doing everything you can to get yourself over? Well, the bigger thing was consistency and reliability, and that's what you had with Brett instead of Sean. But nevertheless, they tell the story at the start.

They even have Brett say, well, he was a first-rate asshole. An Undertaker said, I wouldn't have pissed on Sean Michaels if he was on fire. And these were true statements. But then they had to come back later, oh, now he's great, but we'll get there. He was a kid in San Antonio, Texas watching Southwest wrestling. We heard that.

And then he went to wrestling school. And then he started in Mid-South wrestling. And that was pretty much the coverage of his rookie time. But they said he was a natural like that he was just that good instantly. And that's not necessarily

the way to phrase it. You could tell he was a good kid with a lot of potential. A few times on TV and in a couple of house shows, we worked with him at that point. When Watts ran those towns every two weeks

and if you didn't have a particular made event program match, sometimes he would just put the top guys in with two guys on the card to go get them over, right? So we wrestled Sean Michaels and whoever, Brian Adias, I can't remember. But Bobby would do spots with Sean Michaels because he, he was good and he did, if you called something, he was there for it. And he had some oomph to him, but he didn't hurt anybody.

But he was a green kid with excellent prospects. but then suddenly they had him joining Marty Janetti and forming the Midnight Rockers and then they debuted in the WWF two years later. It just completely glossed over the Midnight Rockers, he and Marty.

Did they, were they put together and did Vern do it or did they do it in the Central States first? The gardeners just showed up. That's another story. They did it, I believe, for Vern. and in the Central States, it was Marty and Tommy Rogers, not the real Tommy Rogers, the other Tommy, Tommy Lane, I believe.

Tommy Lane. And then they put the Midnight Rockers together. Of course, they left the AWA to go to the... Can you talk a little louder over the tractors back there? They were supposed to come yesterday, but obviously when it rains, they have to come the next day. So yesterday, it didn't rain. I don't know why they're here right now.

I'll have to talk to someone. But what I was going to say, well, you stop laughing. and you are just having all sorts of fun on my property that I'm not having today. What I was trying to say is they got fired from the WWF. Remember, they brought them in in the summer of 87. They worked a set of tapings and made fools of themselves and Vince fired them. Then they went to work from Memphis again and Continental and came back in 88 a year later. Well, and that's what I'm saying.

They just said, well, and I got together with Marty Janetti, and they showed a couple clips of the Midnight Rockers and then went right to the 88 WWF debut. So two years of their career, boom. And, but again, the Midnight Rockers were a great in-ring baby-face tag team. They were Vern's answer to the Midnight Express to Rock and Roll Express, because in 1986, when anybody thought about a tag team feud in wrestling, it was a Midnight to Rock and Roll. so that's there was a little consternation from both of our parts when all of a sudden they got the midnight rockers what the fuck is that but the problem was verne's business was going you know down fast at that point in time the rockers had a good program with who buddy rose and Doug summers and they also worked with dennis condrey and randy rose with polly the original midnight's and it was just

just Vern wasn't going to do any business regardless of who was on the roster. But yeah, they just skipped over that as well as the drama, which kind of even would further their point of Michaels being such a pill, no pun intended back in those days, that they came in their first night and got fired and exiled for a year. But nevertheless. And then they glossed over their run again in the WWF fairly quickly. and with all of the footage of him just hugging these fucking kids in a wrestling school, for an hour and a half documentary, they could have spent a minute and a half on some of this shit.

But then he split up with Marty pretty instantly. And Sean said, I don't know anybody that gets into this to be a tag team. I actually probably 50 brother tag teams over the last 100 years would want a word with you as well. but nevertheless, you could tell that he had no loyalty whatsoever to Marty Genetti's partner, and he wanted to be the guy. But, yeah, that's why three minutes was spent on the Rockers with a three-year career, no stories of the stuff, et cetera. Bruce Pritchard is wearing makeup, just to sit down and be a talking head for a documentary.

I just... It's so weird looking. It's like a future Mason Rook. What if Mason Rook was put in a time machine. But nevertheless, by the way, when you see me on dark side of the ring, folks, that's just, that's, I'm here in my own home just all natural, just the way God intended me to be. Let me ask you something, because some people think I'm too hard on Bruce Pritchard

whenever we review of these things. How do you think he comes across? Well, I mean, partially because I know the situation maybe, but I think even the candid viewer would say, okay, this is the guy that's with the office and is telling the office point of view, because he's always, he's the one that either has to kind of make some type of explanation

for why that they did something like that, that stupid, whatever that is, or to take up for the company line, when the talent's getting out of control or whatever the fuck, it's the, it's the party line, it's the office propaganda. Everybody kind of figures that, don't they? He never says anything inflammatory about anybody. He also at times doesn't say that, I mean, the version of Montreal that he was spitting out there, at least how it was edited in this,

thing was, you know, left out a whole bunch of things, a whole bunch of Vince McMahon induced things. But he's the voice of Vince. It's the party line. It's the voice of Vince because, you know, instead of like, I did this, if you know, as Bruce's always like, we decided to do this. We did this as if he was the one making the decision. Well, no.

It comes across bad, though. I don't think people, I don't think they in the company understand to the average person. I don't think Bruce Pritchard comes across as an honest guy or how smuggy. He may be... Sleazy. Just kind of a sleazy, smuggish guy, yeah. But here's the thing. If he says we, then there's more than one person. If he says I,

then he's accepting blame from somebody for something. If he says, we, it's like, well, we were in a group. And the group just thought, you know, just slide the heat to the side. They had an NXT writers meeting, which consists of a room full of pasty-faced white guys and one 20-something-year-old girl that's learning from Sean Michaels

how to teach the next generation of my God. That's the thing, is everybody universally agrees that Sean Michaels in the 1990s was a goddamn dick. Just a fucking flaming dumpster. fire of a nightmare to know, to be around, to have to deal with, to have to fucking, if you were on the booking team, he made your job that was already challenging enough, even harder, trying to work for Vince McMahon and deal with a goddamn drug addicts, sways of fancy from one direction of the other.

If you were one of the boys in the locker room, unless you were in his little boys' tree house club you were subject to ridicule and fucking burial if anybody that he came in contact with it was more difficult whatever you were doing if he was around but now everybody says he's lovely but i ain't met him since he's been lovely and i don't believe that our goddamn pass are ever going to cross because i can't believe he'd come to louisville and knock on the door. Is he, am I going to spot him at fucking Kroger? So I'm sorry, I never got this, the good Sean Michaels.

All I ever saw was the motherfucker who was making my life harder, pissing me off personally and pissing me off indirectly because of the manner in which he talked to and treated other friends of mine and everybody in his goddamn environment. And the way that they treated the wrestling business. and wiped their feet on the guy that was paying them while, as you mentioned earlier, not sitting the goddamn box office on fire. And I'll say one more thing while I'm on the subject. All this goddamn shit didn't hear about all the pressures of being the champion

and the guy in the heaviness and the self-doubt. God, buck up! Buck up, kiddo, you fucking little twat. You were one of the highest paid people in your chosen profession in the entire industry. You were the champion of the goddamn company. If you didn't think you could handle the job, don't goddamn ask for, don't politic for it. Don't cut people's balls off to get it. because I know a lot of other people

that had that position that didn't have to take 18,000 different kind of pills and because they were miserable and filled with self-doubt and fucking, oh my God, fuck you. If you're a Chris Candido

and you're a wonderful kid who's helpful to everybody and works hard and never says anything sideways about anybody and then you undergo your drug problems, then you're entitled to get some sympathy. But if you're a goddamn irresponsible adolescent dick from the start of the time that you get any recognition

in a wrestling business, up until the time that you have to retire allegedly because of a back injury, and are still paid by the guy that you fucked around on numerous occasions to not wrestle for the next four, years and your contract coincidentally expires right about the time you discover the career ending injury wasn't career ending and you can do this shit like you always did for another six or seven years. Fuck you. I'm sorry. Well, I'm glad we're getting your honest. I'm glad

we're getting your honest assessment here because not everyone would say that. What are your thoughts on this narrative that the whole thing about the click? It wasn't guys just protecting their spot and fucking over everyone else. It was about guys who loved the business so much that they got into the car and talked about it. Yes, they did. They loved the business so much that they got in the car and they talked about it. What can we do with each other in this group and keep everybody out? How can we get paid the most money? How can we work with each other and get Vince McMahon to bend to our will? When they weren't all, everybody really except for Nash, the goddamn bomb, well, in Triple H,

bombed out of their fucking heads that they could barely think at all. That's what they were doing. And it's only the people who still have to deal with them that are, oh, but now everything's, and him, everything's great. No, everything wasn't great then. Y'all were a bunch of adolescent self-serving imbecils. He made everybody's job harder. and I didn't like my job to begin with at the time, so fuck you double.

I wrote at one point, uncooperative self-absorbed assholes except for Waltman. And they're living the rock and roll life. Well, don't live the rock and roll life. Save your fucking money. Be a goddamn grown adult. Take care of yourself. Vince wanted to live vicariously through Sean Michaels, as we mentioned, although it was not said here, but that's why he switched him.

maybe face so he could achieve Vince's boyhood dream and he won the title and then Sean says I was a gloomy Gus. Oh, the pressure, the responsibilities. I didn't handle it well. I didn't have the maturity. You think? Did they mention Jose Lafario at all in this? I don't remember if they said

he was seen on camera and never, no, never referred to once. And that's another guy that, you know, he just He buried that whole thing because he didn't want, I guess he thought Jose would block him from getting pussy or something if he was in the corner. I don't fucking know. But anyway, and then he got pissed off at Hall of Nash when they went to WCW because the plan all along was he would work with them. They would all work with each other.

But then he said, I lost my support system. It was a scary time. Again, if you're a 30-year-old. old man and you have to have your friends around when you're being paid a goddamn fortune and you are the best performer in ring in the business at that time for grow up or don't do this don't be a high maintenance problem child Bruce Perchard said he collapsed under pressure and lashed out the the drugs were slightly mentioned downplayed till finally then they had to admit Sean said I was a functioning drug addict

and then he lost his smile I'm just telling you I was there the morning that Vince was on the phone with fucking Sean in the other room and then would come back well Sean's going to have to take time off what Sean says he's gone to the doctor this could be a career-ending knee injury but I never I never I never never heard the diagnosis of an ACL tear. I was thinking, or under the impression that we were talking cartilage, but nevertheless, Vince was both resigned to it that he's going to come, he's going to give the belt back. But at the same time, as we all were skeptical about it, because suddenly he's been working

like he's been working and suddenly he's gone to the doctor and they say you can never wrestle again. They left out the Marine who beat him up. Oh, well, that was a different time, but that completely was not talked about. That was before this, though, yeah.

Yeah, that was not talked about. But to point being, he was fucked up on drugs and he was a mental fucking wreck because he's goddamn was a fucking mental wreck. But instead of admitting to that, even to Vince at that point, he does this bullshit where he's lost his smile and he gave the belt back and told everybody his career was over with his knee injury.

And he's back in two months. And he said, well, Dr. Andrews said you could rehab it and put a brace on it. The fuck. That would have been in the initial consultation. And that ain't a full, and that ain't a full ACL tear if the doctor's telling you that. well and as a matter of fact if if anybody's going to go out coronets talking out of his ass again hello Mcfly I've had one of each left and right ACL and I had the diagnoses and no it you could tear your ACL fully and you can do rehab and you can put a brace on it and

you can work people have done it of fucking Terry Gordy did it for quite some time but that option would have been presented especially by Dr. James Andrews of Birmingham, Alabama. If he said your ACL is torn, he would have said, here's the things we can do. The surgery for full reattachment, it'll be X amount of time out and this and that, and fucking we can scope it and clean it out, and it'll be less time out, but you'll still have the ACL torn and so you're going to have to brace it or you can do that, whatever, it wouldn't be like you can never wrestle again. Oh, but wait, maybe just put a brace on.

And he's back in two months. And it just, again, this was endless with this fucking guy. They told the truth that Brett and Sean hated each other. I've mentioned before that DX'd me was the worst part of Attitude Era TV. And I'm talking about the Michaels and Helmsley. not with the road dog and Billy and later up but Michaels and Helmsley brought out the worst of each other it was juvenile and bad taste

it made wrestling look like fucking jackass which is why Russo loved it but while they're Austin and Brett and Undertaker and those gafoli are going out there and they're digging into it and they're getting over and they're working hard these two are jacking off telling dick jokes. Sorry.

Montreal was ridiculous again. I mean, they couldn't even tell. If they did an hour and a half documentary, they couldn't have told the real story because it's been done and it still hasn't. But they don't try here. Same old bullshit. At Triple H,

he couldn't be allowed to go to WCW with the belt. But nevertheless. They don't talk about the fact that Brett Hart had creative control in his contract They don't talk about the fact that Vince didn't think he was going with the belt

just he was going without losing the fucking belt They say Bruce Pritchard's like Brett opened up negotiations with WCW No Vince told him to Vince told him I'm not going to want to pay you anymore

Open up negotiations with them The whole way Triple H It's really Triple H and Bruce Pritcher Present Montreal is dishonest and disingenuous Sean Michaels lies less than they do

about what happened there he has the greatest excuse of all I was stoned that I was an asshole yeah yeah I don't know what fucking app so you can go back folks and on our YouTube channel and we do the deep dive the Montreal omnibus is up there some of it's with the previous

microphones so please excuse us he took the bump Michaels did on the casket and ruptured the disc in his back. I have replayed that goddamn bump. I wanted to catch him at the time. Like, I'll find it. He didn't hit that fucking thing.

But again... You don't believe the back injury story, right? Here's the thing. Maybe his back was injured. Maybe it was injured by that. Maybe it was injured some other way. I have a hard time believing it was a career.

ending injury that ended his career up until the time that his contract ended, at which point he came back and was as good as ever for the next seven fucking years. That's, I just, that's so convenient. And Bruce said, well, it was a career ending injury, but he desperately wanted to be in shape for WrestleMania. Bullshit. We didn't know up until the time he walked to the ring, whether he was going to show up and actually go out there and do that thing. And I remember the days leading up to the, it was in Boston. I was at that miserable hotel. They put me in the first night with no air conditioning.

Shaw, he wanted bodyguards. He wanted a separate place to fucking dress. He didn't want to show up for to do something or another. Then he was sending Triple H out with messages across the pond or whatever. it was yeah they also don't say in there that as soon as he left them around the locker room got better instantly but he did say he went off the rails from taking too many prescription pills but he did the job for austin he sold his back all through that match for the gorilla position i still maintain because here's the here's another thing that a lot of people don't realize

all through that match, he was illustrating how much pain his back was in, right? Right. When a guy is working and he's really hurt, but the fans aren't supposed to know, the boys know, whatever the fuck,

but the fans aren't, you will do everything that you can not to sell something you're not supposed to be fucking selling. unless it's part of the story. If it's a real injury, you try like hell. When I went to ring with Paul E with the bad knee that time, I was tried like hell not to fucking limp.

He's the best in-ring seller of the era, the Ricky Morton of the 90s. You would have thought that back with, my God, was going to fall in half. That's what I'm saying. You're convincing me. You're convincing me more and more, the more you talk about this. I'm just telling it his career was over.

He had the back surgery by their dates like nine months after fucking WrestleMania, he had back surgery. By the way, has anybody ever seen a scar? Again, I talked to somebody and said, yeah, he saw a scar on his back. It was about an inch and a half long. I'm not saying he didn't have something done, but he didn't have a goddamn broomstom. Dick put up his spine. They had footage of him trying to do, be a local sportscaster and open it up the

wrestling school and he's telling a story, hey, my career is over. I'm looking for another career. You know, the local sportscasters, they make 75, 100 grand in the 90s in San Antonio, but nevertheless, Vince was still paying him. He had a contract. Vince paid his contract while he, after he retired. to the end of it, which the end of it was not too far in front of when he came back, called Triple H, say, you know, listen, could I do this one more time?

And by the way, I don't think he could have done local sportscaster. I don't think he's made for that. Even his promos before he got really, really stoned and they just became, you know, him saying wacky shit. They were never really that great. I think the best talking I've ever seen was him talking about himself in this. was the most comfortable and natural I've ever seen him

he didn't seem natural as a sportscaster in the clips they showed which are the ones they picked but anyway he saw one of the Nitro girls on TV so he got her number and called her up and they met and they got married two weeks later or whatever

but then they had a kid and then she realized he was on a million drugs and so that's why with the kid and the wife he got religion and started wearing a cross and got off one crutch and onto another but apparently became a nicer person

did you see Terry Taylor yes and that's again it's a pattern in the wrestling business when you have managed to piss off almost everybody that you've ever known and nobody will speak to you anymore, then you find religion. And then everybody feels like they have to,

you know, be nice to you now. Because, well, he was saved and he's born again. Sean Michaels, I heard the news he was born again. I wasn't moved because I wasn't really in favor of the first one. So when his contract had expired with the WWF he was no longer being paid by 2002, he wanted to see if he could have one more match with Triple H. And suddenly he was as good as he ever was,

and he came back full time and had his redemption run where for the umpteenth time that he had claimed in his life, a career-ending injury this time, he came back and had the greatest wrestling matches that anybody had ever had of all time. And now everything is love, and peace and joy with the family and he loves his job and the kids love him and his daughter does hair and makeup and his son works in the art department and his son is a fucking giant

it's apparently like six foot eight and four hundred pounds i don't know and we were only an hour into this thing and i'm like what the fuck else is left in the two flare retirement or the flare retirement match and the two undertaker matches undertaker was sitting there in Boston ready to fucking beat the shit out of him at Gorilla if he didn't drop the bell to Austin the right way and 10 years later they're having the greatest matches of all time and they're all friends. And then Michaels retires again, but Triple H takes over NXT.

But then Sean comes to Orlando on a family vacation. And while he's in Orlando for two weeks with his wife, and two children he decides to leave Texas move there and take a job working there. Do you think that was an oversimplification, possibly Brian, of a story that because his best friend is running the thing. Well, maybe.

I mean, again, a few minutes earlier, it was, I saw the Nitro girl on TV and I ordered her and then we got married. There's a lot of weird, what the fuck. And a ton more compliments about his work at NXT. and I wrote, this is some boring love festing. And then Triple H has the heart issue.

And Sean steps in to take over NXT, but then NXT 2.0 comes about, the upheaval, I wrote in quotes. They never mentioned that it was Vince that hijacked the thing and sent it all to hell and made it a goddamn Nickelodeon show. They just said, what was it like management or some upper force? and they all rolled with that. There was one part earlier too where Triple H was talking about how he first got Sean into NXT

and it was just about like, you know, I wanted someone here in case, he said, I wanted someone here to be me in case I got called up and he like stopped himself to do Raw or Smackdown. To do Raw or Smackdown? What? So yeah, you know, they basically... The only person that said Vince's name in this may have been Brett. they were trying Triple H and Sean

were trying triple H is thinking the old man's got to go sooner or later and I'll get this thing and then Sean I'll have you running the school but then Vince jumped in for throwing things into chaos over the last few years and they had more footage

of Sean coaching talent and then I looked and they were starting to have people like say a people pithy comment about him like, oh, he's done this for me or he's done that for me. I could always count on whatever. And it's like the rap, right, where you said they're building for the finish. But it seemed like they've been building for the finish for like 10 minutes.

And I looked at the fucking thing when they went to a commercial break, which by the way, you get on the peacock. And they had like 10 or 15 minutes left at the end to come back on. And I said, I can't. My mind is numb. We're already up to 2020 fucking three. What has he done in the last two years that are worth 15 minutes? And it just, he's got a story they could tell if they wanted to tell it.

There wasn't that great an amount of exciting footage. It was a lot of, it was a redemption story for him. It was his best friend probably told production, hey, make people, not like hate Sean anymore, please, because he's nice now or something. And that's the only reason for this television program. Please pretend like Sean drew money and didn't drive away viewers to WCW Nitro, which is exactly what happened and exactly what I saw happening in real time and they never addressed that.

You saw it happening in real time. Jesus, crazy. Imagine when somebody, when you'd go in and the mornings and people had to put the fucking numbers in front of you. You're like, what the fuck? And then you try to do something that might draw and halfway through it, he loses his smile.

Or he changes his mind. Or he don't want to work with that guy. He wants to work with the guy that's lighter on him. That's why I brought up the Marine. Or he started a riot because he got peeled up and the fans didn't like him and he wouldn't work. I forgot about that. They didn't even bring that up. What was that, Little Rock?

Little Rock. Danny Hodge was in the ring and they were rioting and setting shit on fire. Well, there it is. The Axel Rose. He got, he got pissed. Well, we got the call the next day, but he got pissed in Little Rock because it was, again, the attitude era, the early days of that, 97, where they're acted off and the fans are

throwing shit because that's cool on NWO Television 2. And my God, I've been in Little Rock where if they weren't hand grenades, you didn't give a fuck as long as they weren't throwing those he wouldn't go out, he fucking walked out on the thing, didn't have the match, stood to pit. Danny Hodge was a special referee, goddamn all-time icon.

Wouldn't fucking work and the goddamn people set shit on fire. But anyway. It's just so interesting with Triple H and Sean Michaels being in charge because how would they deal with two guys who behave the way they did? Oh, you know what? That would be, well, you can't have that anymore because nobody's acts like that anymore

and all the contracts and various business deals would prevent it. But if those two had to deal with those two, Triple H better double up on his heart medicine. Anyway, I've had the same opinion all that based on every interaction I've had with Sean Michaels, one of the most tremendous in-ring performers of all time, and an irresponsible, adolescent, pill-addled fucking jerk.

I guess that's one of the things people wait to hear. If anything that we see with him will change your mind, but you being someone who lived through it... Apparently he's not anymore, but well, you know what? He should have goddamn met the Nitro girl and had a kid and fucking changed his self around before I met him. And then I'd just love him and love him, and I'd squeeze him and hug him and call him George.

You know what the funny part too is about him seeing his wife on TV and being like, I want that. That means he wasn't watching Raw. Yeah, but also, again, for either one of them, one would think, just call somebody up, have a date, have, okay, then let's start a relationship

or whatever, but we're, what short period was it? They met, they were married in literally like a month or whatever. And I've said, Jesus Christ, that that was certainly wonderful reconnaissance y'all did on everybody maybe she'd have figured out that he was on the medications anyhow so that's on peacock and they do show how one of the ways he did brett dirty when he did that promo and said like you're not a very moral person on the road or whatever he said just oh yeah he said i've seen you on don't hold yourself up as an icon of morality i've seen you on the road and everything that and what was brett's wife's name at the time julie julie julie Yeah. It caused heat.

And then sunny days. At a sunny day right there, Brett was one to just jump him and beat to fuck out of him. And said, that's the thing. Is Brett, I think, showed tremendous restraint because there wasn't any doubt in anybody's mind what would happen if he actually did have a fight with Sean. and the brief skirmishes they did have, you know, bore that out, but there was no doubt in anybody's mind, but Brett restrained himself from just beating a fuck out of him because he was, it was wrestling and you're not supposed to do that

to guys in the locker room, but you also weren't supposed to try to get heat on guys with their wife on national television either. I still expect one day you're going to call me up, McBride, you're never going to guess what I found. I found a clump of hair. No, I know where it is. I don't have it, but I know where it is.

My ex possesses that. Oh, I thought it was lost. I didn't realize she had it. Oh, okay. Well, it's somewhere. It might not be easily accessible, but it's somewhere within her possessions. Well, there it is. The documentary on the cross-eyed kid, Sean Michaels on Peacock.

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Once again, ridge.com slash JCE comedy aside. That is the promo code and the link. Zapped. Oh, you know, Brian, before we go any further, I was going to bring this up earlier in the program and I got distracted. But I have here, it's not a brochure. It was an email.

It was sent out, I guess, to every goddamn body in the world from the WWE, announcing this new thing they've got for SummerSlam, this new attraction. And basically they're going to have a tryout, like a wrestling school tryout for NXT or a tryout for their training developmental program. But the fans can buy tickets. VIP packages are going fast. Watch the next generation of WWE superstars compete for their shot with VIP access. you will join

Sean Michaels, WWE coaches and superstars for an inside look at what it takes to make it in the WWE. Your thoughts so far before I tell you what you get in this package, when you grab a hold of their package,

this is what you get. Evil, greedy, and also brilliant. Who ever thought, about having a wrestling school and selling tickets to watch the training or the tryouts. You're not just going there. This is

VIP, a VIP experience. Oh, yeah. They might let you get in and take a fucking back drop. It's not listed here, but you're VIP, and there's a big picture of Sean Michaels with his cowboy hat on, and he's smiling.

He's smiling. Your VIP experience can include access to live WWE tryouts new vote for your favorite participant now you can get to pick who they pick

to pick over Q&A with Sean Michaels WWE coaches and superstars WWE superstar meet and greets exclusive cooler cooler what the

an exclusive cooler well now I got to a tryout t-shirt and lunch is included maybe they give you the lunch in the cooler it's like frozen bloaty and a fucking loaf of bread i like that you get the tryout shirt so you can go home and pretend that you actually try it out yeah if somebody had tried to pry their well one of the fans or just any civilian member of the public not involved in the wrestling business had tried to pry their way into the Davis arena with a crowbar to see the tryouts.

Danny Davis would have fucking plucked their eyeballs out. And thrown their limp carcass in the fucking parking lot to rot and fester where the vultures would come in in the summer sun. But you see, if you guys had really been visionaries and had a bunch of extra coolers lying around,

maybe you could have done something like this. A Q and he was there, Michaels. You know what the first question is going to be? Sean, hey, Sean, no, no, I'm over here. I'm over here. Oh, hey. Is there a magician's school? I don't know. I actually just got my daughter, the National Geographic Magic Kid, so she'd go play around with some of the basics. The National Geographic Magic Kit, what is it? It's like voodoo spells from Zimbabwe, or what the, how does National Geographic figure into magic? I think it's National Geographic. It's just branding.

It's just some kind of branding. You've got your, you got your small child. You're making me got myself. You're a boo-do kit. You don't even know what the brand of it is. Why would you say these things? He's going to be casting spousal. She's going to be sticking a pin and a dollar of you here later on tonight.

What the fuck are you doing the- Global? I just went to Amazon to see what I bought. It's National Geographic. What do they have to do with magic? Now that you bring this up, nothing, nothing at all, but it's a trusted brand. So when I saw that it was them bringing me to me the- Magic Expoet.

I thought I could trust them. Oh, Jesus Christ. Here's the commercial. A trusted brand and magic. National Geographic will take your kids to places they've never been before around the world and strand them there. I trust them on natives. I trust them on natives. I trust them on natives.

When you're in the market for natives, you only supply. I trust them enough that when looking here, they have a whole bunch of magic kit. Science magic kit. Amazing reaction. kit. It's a chemistry kit. Oh, National Geographic Chemistry. Oh. National Geographic Mega Science Lab. Make your own

LSD, apparently. Oh, like this one. National Geographic gross science kit. Make slime, creepy stem project for boys and girls. Dissect a brain. I have to get this one. All right. Well, nevertheless, if what the question I was originally

asking, is there a magician school was meant to say, by the way, where do these motherfuckers that are magicians learn how to magicify, how to do the magic? Because there's no school, but the point is, they're not just taking anybody and off the street and smartening them up to the way they do things or elsewise then nobody would go to see them do the things because they already know how they do it. And then they'd be down to the people who just loved it for the arts sake which is exactly where the fuck we are today with wrestling. But it's like letting, you know, here, come on.

Come on to the University of Magic and let David Copperfield show you how to make a woman's uterus disappear. In front of a crowd. Yes. People are going to be trying out in front of a bunch of free-spending WWE fans, hooting and hollering and voting for their favor. This is going to be a good idea. This is not a good idea.

They have to make money from everything like this. I mean, come on. Again, I'm against the principle of letting people inside the wrestling school to begin with, and we all know that. But even if you were going to do this, it ought to be a gimmick tryout where you're not, you're trying the same people out in a legitimate private tryout where they're not goddamn distracted.

And then, hey, let's go do the same thing for the marks over here. will give you a payoff or whatever, but to give these people allegedly a legitimate tryout and then have it done under these conditions and they're being hooted at by fucking fans. All right. How much do you think it would...

I'm not even joking. How much do you think it would cost would be like 100 grand or less if you wanted to be in the Royal Rumble? Oh, no. They could get more than 100 grand for them from some Saudi person. They could probably get a million dollars.

Well, no, they'll buy the event. I'm talking about actually, participating in the match. No, no, that's what I'm saying from some Saudi person or some person who's got Bitcoin that's somehow valuable or whatever the fuck. I think we'd have to be a crypto person. They are the craziest spenders. Well, and it's not even real money. So I'd spend that shit like water too, because what the fuck. But they could get a million dollars to have the guy in the Royal Rumble. He can last as long as well. Who was a Bushwhacker Luke? That's right.

Yeah. He have the nine second record. There's him. I bet you the guy would set the record for the most chops on the way over the top rope, though. Possibly. I mean, Daniel Puter was in that one year. So he made him win that award. I think there'd be even more heat on this guy.

But they're selling everything at this point. And again, this will be a continuing story, but we've seen what we're told are major artists with major followings. and major streams, canceling tour dates, if not tours, because they can't sell their high-priced tickets, this will come for WWE. And it feels like,

until it does, they're going to just keep adding more and more ways for them to grab everything they can. Until finally, they've got five people in the world that are all billionaires and can spend about 500 million bucks a year,

and that's their fucking income. Club WWE. Over the head. Anyway, let's close out the program tonight, Brian, or today, or whatever period of time that you may be listening, you find folks out there in podcast land. With the review or our thoughts on the Von Erick's documentary Part 2 that's been on, oh, God, now, what network have they?

This is the A&E. Right? This is indeed a and e biography. The name of the episode was Curse of the Von Erick's Part 2. And it's amazing that WWE has had some type of hand or finger or control over or whatever, some type of behind the scenes involvement in both the Von Erick's documentary and the Sean Michaels documentary we just talked about because the Sean Michaels, as I said, probably was the worst one so far that I've seen of anybody,

and the Von Erics may be the best. And the Hulk Hogan one. They were involved in it, too. Well, there you go. But the Von Erick's one is still better than the Hulk Hogan one. But whereas the part two, and this was a two, two-hour episode four hours, but where is the part that I loved about the first part, or the, you know, first episode of the documentary

was that they captured territory wrestling and the crowds and the fans that are hooping and hollering and going crazy and they're rock stars and they're playing the fucking ZZ top. And it just captured that time period. And they had the footage and et cetera. And that was the thing that I liked about. the first half, whereas the second half, unfortunately, is the other side of that. And while it was still fantastic, it wasn't fun to watch.

And it focused so little on wrestling because it really should have, because the family happenings were what led to the downfall in the wrestling, and you couldn't, you didn't want to go back and look at that sad atmosphere they had in 1988 after 1984. So this was good for, to watch and because of the family dynamics, but it was not the cheerful part of the story. No, that's why it was such a good idea that, and, you know, thankfully they were able to do it two-parter because it worked out and they had some time.

left things out. Obviously, different people have different thoughts on different narratives, and we'll talk a little bit about the narrative around the parents later on. But I think part one kind of ended at a perfect place. Because that is kind of where it ended. I mean, you could say the Gino and Chris feud, but in terms of them as people, it was a little bit before that. And I thought part two was really good too. And again, a lot of insight. There were a lot of years where there were a lot of reports about Kevin Von Erick here or there just saying wacky things and behaving in a wacky way. And this is the first time we've heard. I know there was another documentary on like one of the other cable channels, but I didn't see that one. But this is the first time I've seen really the women in his life,

his children, his wife. Well, it wasn't his wife, really. He was Kerry's wife. but talking about what was happening for them, living in Dallas post-world-class glory days, they left out the Fritz heart attack, the fake heart attack, which is an important part of the story

because I guess I'll just say it here. These two documentaries did more to make me sympathetic to Fritz von Erich than anything ever. And a lot of people, the feedback I've seen have been upset that Kevin labeled his mother is weak, that they didn't defend her, that, you know, Fritz is such a horrible guy, and all they did was say good things about him.

But, you know, obviously there were different sides to everyone and family sees people differently than strangers, but they did leave out the Fritz fake heart attack, which in terms of what he was thinking at that time was taking advantage of the tragedies that had happened. And I thought that was an important thing that they left out. Well, and that's, you could do a whole documentary

just on the downfall of the business at the same time as the family was having the downfall. And Fritz, at that point, was desperate because I think he knew that he had lost, he'd lost it. He wasn't going to get this back. Because, and we'll go through this because they start again,

you know, after Cary's big victory, but the difference in 84 and 85 in the stadium versus 86 and 87, and Lance Peterson on Twitter tweeted they ran 88. I forgot about that. They had some triple cage of doom business. Yeah, the same thing you guys did at the bash. And don't say you guys like I was involved in that thing. You know, my company.

My company did it, but nevertheless, I mean, all you can see was empty seats all through the stadium. It was a giant crash because the people had believed so much. You saw that emotion captured. They believed in the Von Erics and believed that they were living through them. They were their heroes. They were the bigger stars than the individual cowboys. And then the tragedy, they all. banded together and they came out and they saw Carrie win it but then

unfortunately with more tragedy starting to come every time people some of the fans saw through it as like oh they weren't what we thought that they were other of the fans never saw through it but it became such a downer for them that they they turned away from it and but it was a from 86 to 88 was almost a free fall. And they brought up bringing in Ricky Vaughn, Lance Vaughn, and making him Lance Von Eric. Brought up is a good discreet because that was about it.

Yeah, but they didn't talk about the other side of it, which was Fritz going on TV and admitting that they lied, that it made up a family member, who was then main eventing for one of the competitor promotions. For the opposition. Yeah. For Ken Mantell? No, that's right.

So, I mean, there were things that were in here that were important to the story, but some things that were left at in terms of explaining why they lost a lot of the mystique, even as the tragedies were happening. Well, let's start where this episode started, and Michael Hayes had a good line at the beginning. Everybody thought it would last forever. Where the freebirds and the Von Erics and the big run, and it's going to be... And because remember all those guys, we talked about the guys in Mid-South in 1984, 85,

that were all in their 20s, and the freebirds were in their 20s, except for Buddy Roberts. And all these guys, they thought it was going to, because they hadn't, they may have been wrestling fans growing up, but I was never of the category of people that thought that it would last forever

because I had watched the book, business and the different territories and come and go and I'd seen Sheik and Bruiser fucking die when when you lose it you there's a point of no return right I'm not saying I was a goddamn genius at 20 something but I never thought that it will never be over right I was in you know yeah we can fuck this up or like in 87 when the booking was going all over the place and they bought all the territories I was like eh you know But these guys It's funny when you think about it.

A lot of it was centered around Dallas being dead and everyone trying to make Dallas to center. Bill Watts went there and then Crockett. Yeah. But nevertheless, the point is they're young, their stars, everybody's happy. And they showed Carl Malone and the sports anchors on TV

that everybody was, Texas was crazy about the Von Erics. They did the Pizza Inn commercial that was played everywhere in the state. and then they this was a big deal that they glossed over then they went to Israel where Mike was injured and so when he came back nothing about it for whatever reason and I can explain how it happened but not necessarily why it happened I said on the when we talked about the previous program that the Channel 39 in Dallas that started the world class program from the Sportatorium that was syndicated

all around the country, right? To local stations. They were part of the Christian broadcasting network or fed some of their stations or carried their programming, whatever. That's how Fritz got hooked up with it originally. And they had some kind of connection

where they put world-class wrestling on television in, I can't remember now, but apparently a goddamn, a good time slot and it became the most popular television program in Israel. And this is not bullshit. Brian, please tell people I'm not lying to them. Oh, no, like the Von Ericks became a big deal in Israel. Kevin Von Erick, to this day, is kind of a minor sports celebrity in Israel.

I believe his last match was in Israel. And apparently at that time, you know, you never believe these things totally. There wasn't no crime when the Beatles played Ed Sullivan, but it did drop. Apparently, the battling between the... the two sides would cease for a little while when world-class aired on TV every one. Well, that was a tale that was being told, but to be honest. Bill Mercer was an honest man. But no, I was there and when they were talking about it amongst themselves,

Bronco Lubbich or people in the office or whatever, that I don't know their political hierarchy in Israel, but the high-muckety-muck of such and such was going to be meeting with Kevin and Kerry when they flew over to do the press thing, and it was a big fucking deal, right? And if you notice, they said it was August, 1985 on the graphic here, I'll accept that because I didn't go because there were three things that had me in the midnight, but Bobby and Dennis give our notice and go to Crockett. One was our Texas Stadium payoff.

Two was Crockett getting on TBS and three was they'd been saying, we're all going to Israel. And we were all three like, fuck you, you can go to fucking Israel. We went to Boston. That was a nice,

cool little trip. But none of the three of us were excited about going to Israel because they were still, they were having some kind of goddamn conflict with somebody in the Middle East over there at that time.

Oh, yeah. And this was, well, exactly. It was Tuesday, whatever. Yeah. and as they were saying oh this is going to make the headlines this is a big thing and they're bringing us over i'm thinking well this will be a high profile way for some of these fucking terrorists to goddamn get even with the united states or something so we called dusty and said hey dust we can be finishing up anytime so we were done the first week of july they went in august anyway scander akbar said call me ray yeah good old jimmy weba but that's where Mike separated his shoulder and I was watching this when we were actually in Atlanta working for Crockett when they were airing the Joe Pedicino's wrestling blocks so I was

seeing these TVs he came back to America to have surgery on the separated shoulder it got infected he got toxic shock which again at the time had been related in some fashion it had been an epidemic for some reason among women because of sanitary products. I don't know. So this was like the oddest thing

who had ever happened to a pro wrestler. And the doctor said, he's one of the sickest patients that I'd ever seen. He had a 107 degree fever, kidney and organ failure. And again, the fans were calling a hospital. They were like saying,

we got 100 calls an hour. they were offering to donate organs. This is still where the fan base was in Dallas at that time, like, oh, my God. And the doctor's son told him, if Mike Von Eric dies, the whole world is going to hate you. So he was in the hospital for a month, and he made it miraculously, and he was never the same. And you could, because we had worked with him. I didn't like hang around with him for hours, but we had worked with him and been in the locker room with him in January through June. And what I was looking at when they brought him out at the cotton bowl or when they put him back on television just to speak about his recovery, there was, there was a big, big difference.

the eyes, the manner of speech, no inflection. And now they claim that that's where they claim since Mike was down to they brought in Lance, but that's way too early, isn't it? They brought in Lance because, go ahead. It's funny with Lance. Lance came in 85 right around this period of time. He was at the Cotton Bowl at ringside. They introduced him before the hair versus, it was hair versus hair.

versus hair versus hair match with Gino and Chris. But when David died, they started talking about him on TV before he was cast in that role or anything. That's right. They would say, Waldo Von Erick's son of Lance. They would bring up the fact that it was Fritz's brother in K-Fabe because that was in Dallas, years before, that it was his son. And they were obviously looking for someone. and you don't know what prompted the original thought. Was it just that David's gone?

Was it that Kerry's going to go to Hollywood? Whatever it was happening at that time, there was a first mention of him in early 84. And then they brought him from Portland and they introduced him as Lance Von Erick, even though apparently he was a local boy. And his name was Rick Vaughn. It's one thing to make a fake Von Eric

and bring in Tom Pritcher or someone not from the area. But when you're bringing... Yeah, but that's what they were saying. He had people that, like, knew him from his high school days or whatever, coming to the matches and going, hey, Ricky Vaughn. But they glossed over that whole thing in two minutes with Lance. But besides Kevin saying, well, I hated that idea.

Yeah, that was one of the big mystique killers. And they kind of didn't explain how that hurt them. With Mike Von Erick, if I got to ask you two questions. One, what do you think when you see the clip of him getting in? injured, it's him kicking Gino and his shoulder pops out on that. It's always the oddest injury to me. And second, when you see how this was presented and everything you witnessed firsthand, do you think that Mike Von Erich was forced into the business by his dad, or do you think

Mike Von Erick wanted to do what his brothers were doing and hang out with his brothers? Mike Von Erick wanted to do what his brothers were doing and hang out with his brothers. He wanted his dad to be proud of him. Fritz may have loved his sons, but he was, he had, and well, I was about to say he had eyes, but goddamn those glasses were thick as Coke bottles, but he could see that Mike was not carry physically or Kevin maybe athletically or David mentally with the psychology of the thing. but he was not going to tell Mike, no, you can't do it at all,

because in the territory at that time, if they'd all stayed healthy and Mike hadn't got hurt, Mike could have worked there for the next five fucking years on the cards and, you know, it would have worked, but he wouldn't have been in demand to go anywhere else. But you know what I'm saying. If all things have been equal,

Fritz put him in the ring, and the people in the business could see and a lot of these smarter fans and just the more cynical fans could see but there were still obviously there were people voting to donate his fuck organs for him right so some of the fans were like yay it's Mike Monterec they didn't see do you see do you see I see

so so that's the thing is that it was that Fritz was making him. My God, he wanted to. He wanted to be a wrestler. What does South Texas spot show? It was Mike and somebody against Bobby and Dennis. And you know how Bobby, when he was a heel, he would crouch down and try to sneak up on the fucking baby face like Tojo used to do, right?

He kind of crouched down and he would have the hands up and the little claws and he'd be trying to. He scared Mike. from by Mike Turner oh shit from behind right when he got it sneak up on him and Mike hadn't and then as they went to lock up Bobby crouched down some Mike crashed down and Bobby crashed down a little more he crad they they were just doing a full squat in the middle of the ring Mike just didn't know what fucking was doing but he was trying to imitate everybody and you know figure out what was going on but you know yeah right after this period of time the common bowl Lance von Erick's brought in, Mike Van Erick

has brought out in a car to wave the people and you didn't really know how bad it was that. You knew he was skinny, but he had been in the hospital and everything. He didn't realize how fried he was. And then right after that, and I only bring this up because in terms of where the crowds went and the faith in the family and the company, February 86, Gina Hernandez dies.

Yeah. That's all over the news. And also he's in the middle of a feud with Chris, He just blinded Chris Adams on TV and then he died. Yes. Fritz leaves the NWA. It may not seem like a big deal, but if you've been recognizing a world title lineage... For the past 20 years.

Yeah, at least, if not more than that, technically... It's just Fritz himself or his son's challenging for the same thing for 20 years. Yeah, the Dallas office, always, you know, since the war in 53 and 54 was an NWA town, all of a sudden, we're not in the NWA, our top guy will now be the world champion, whether it's Rick Rude or Black Bart, there were some interesting picks, and then Kerry's motorcycle accident in what, June of 86? If you look at like the year after you left world class, about six months after you left is when they hit the wall,

and just everything fell apart, and now they have no carry von Eric, the deaths are not just limited to the Von Erics and they're in the news and it's drugs. I mean, everyone knew with Gino, it came out right away. It was cocaine. I mean, that wasn't a hidden thing. So just everything happened

and that's the difference between the reaction to Mike Von Erick being hospitalized and Mike Von Erick's suicide, which was quickly, they changed the Texas Stadium show quickly to be the David and Mike Von Erick. Memorial grade of champion. It was, you know, it was

not handled the best way. Well, and it just, it, you know, it wasn't fun anymore for a lot of people. But that's it. With Kerry's accident, he ran into the back of a stationary police car on his motorcycle. But suddenly he's fucked up, but they put Mike back in the ring.

But then where Mike was awkward and gawked, but energetic and, you know, anxious to please, now you have awkward gawky, frail and snow. And carries, again, comes back too soon. And at least they didn't tell the story of he rebroke his ankle this time because he got up and wanted to, in the hospital out of bed, and wanted a cheeseburger and put weight on it.

That was a story one time. But he had several operations. that wouldn't heal, we're not going to go through the whole goddamn medical procedure at this point, but they amputated the foot. And now we know hiding it was definitely Fritz's idea. Yeah. Because it's always been, obviously, I've said, my God, he could have made a fortune literally out of that and gotten so much sympathy. And the level that he was able to come back at the high level, while being an amputee, if they could have pushed that, but it wasn't even Kerry thinking that bad.

It was Fritz making him ashamed of it by making him hide it. Yeah, even his wife said she thought he should do it. And this is the first time I've ever heard Bruce Pritchard or anyone from WWE say that Vince wanted him to do it. I never heard that before. And same thing, if it is indeed true, Fritz put the kibosh on it, it didn't happen. Yeah. and that's that probably cost him you know more mental issues which got worse on drugs and they sent him to rehab but

it did fritz again they said fritz said the press will get a hold of it and they took him out of rehab did you notice that carrie's wife kathy calls him mr adkison yes that was noticeable throughout this entire thing Whereas Kevin's daughter is like, oh, my pa-paw or whatever her, you know, pet name for grandpa was. And everybody else, you know,

it was like Mr. Atkinson. And the granddaughter said granddad enabled, you know, the kids, because he loved him so much. He bailed him out of jail. And there was other times we talked about. There was issues that Fritz had pull. And, you know, the average, person would be reported for something, but he was able to keep it quiet.

What do you think? But then Mike. Well, go ahead. Well, just again, as they were presenting this and showing footage, especially later in his life when he wasn't well of him with his grandkids. But with Fritz, you know, for years you would hear the narrative that people warned him, Bill Watts, various people about his kids, and he blew him off. Gary Hart.

We said it last time, maybe he was just no-selling it. it sounds like he really was whether he's guilty of enabling them or not. He really was like a grief-stricken hurt father whenever they got in trouble and he tried to do what he could to help them, but it wasn't like, don't worry, like Hogan and Nick Hogan, you know,

don't worry about it. Everyone else said asshole. It was, you know, embarrassment. It was, you know, not an easy thing. And that changes, I think, the narrative a little bit around Fritz. Well, and the whole von Erick, M.O. has always the whole family. When Kevin was living in Hawaii, they had a family compound where all the family lived together. The kids, the grandkids, or whatever the extended family is. And you see all these family get-togethers on video going back to when the Fritz and Doris' kids were kids. And they've always enjoyed being around multiple generations. But there's been so much.

trouble and and that was mike again that was the next thing he had obviously had brain damage from the fever for so long and he had the depression and the drinking the personality changes and got arrested again and felt like he shamed the family and went out in the woods and took a bunch of pills. And now this is starting at Doris. Because she's, you know, she's gone through this whole thing with his wrestling fuckers for 30 years now. And, but then another story where Kevin backed over his kid in the driveway with, with his car accidentally and ruptured her liver, but she was okay. But that's where Kevin was saying, I wrote this down, because he said he wanted to fight the devil.

And he had a seizure and saw apparitions and thought they were demons. I mean, I guess a seizure is a definition of a seizure is, you know, strange things are going to happen in your head. But that's one thing about Kevin and their fed. They believe in those type of things. Was he fighting the devil and Bobby Fulton had to save his life at the Sportatorium? him. Well, that was a seizure, wasn't it?

Well, I, again, I wasn't there, so they gave him CPR. Tommy and Bobby both were there because it was a six-man tag. But I, you know, I don't know if they ever determined what caused it, but he just, he did whatever he did. You know, but go ahead. I was just going to say, you know, you bring up Kevin talking about his battle with the devil here. I'm not really into religious shows or, you know, televangelist or whatever it is, but I have to say, he's one of the most compelling speakers on religion I've ever seen because

he's so into it. You believe he believes. And yes, it's kind of incredible to watch. Well, and see, you know, what you said, I was going to make a comment on something you said, Fritz is dealing with this or whatever responsibility. Kevin in another place said, well, I had to keep going to provide for the family. And, you know,

I've got to, he's doing the Bible speak type of thing where I'm a man, it's my job to take care of the week in the family, the children and the women. It's like he's back in the Pilgrim day, the week.

the women, you know, it's his job. That's a Bible kind of thing. And so this whole family probably had the men had trouble mentally not being able to take care of the women, as they were meant to be taken care of back in the Puritan era. I said to my family, gosh, we should all move to Bethlehem. And as in, but then they didn't have any room at to Bethlehem Motor Inn. But anyway, Kerry ended up having to go to the WW. He had got back in the ring by that point, but Fritz's heart was out of everything.

And they just said on the documentary here, he sold out. And I mean, it would again be another documentary with the whole Jerry Jarrett, USWA, Max Andrews, Global Syndication, blah, blah, blah, that Kevin was in and out of being involved in for the next four or five years or whatever. But for the sake of this story, the business went to shit. And Fritz sold his part, and the boys were moving back

into Fritz's house. So, Carrie has to go to the... Fritz's compound, because Fritz had trailers on the property or whatever it was. And I was going to say, but you wouldn't live on a trailer out in the middle of the desert in Texas on Fritz von Erick's property, but they were his kids.

it was probably, but still they were aspiring to more. So, Kerry goes to work for Vince, but Chris, Chris Von Eric, the youngest one, was he had asthma. He had taken medication since he was like 12 years old and stunned his growth. He was like 5 foot 5, I think. And he was depressed because he was left out. His bones were brittle because of the medication. but still, now, I think at this point, Fritz was out of the picture by the time they actually debuted Chris. Was he not?

He was, yes. I think at this point, that's what had Percy Pringle. I wish, bless him, he was still here, we could ask him because he was down there at this time. But I think at that point, they were just saying, fucking, you know, he wants to be a wrestler and we need a Von Erick. and anything to get any kind of interest, that type of thing, right? It's not saying that, and Kevin still had some decision-making abilities,

and what's he going to tell his brother no? And I think they, they worked him in with a manager angle or angle against the manager with Percy, right? And did some shit with... With Mike, they did it with Akbar, and with him they did it with Percy. So it wasn't like that,

They knew he was never going to be a superstar, but he was again, let's let the kid, maybe it'll mean something here. They didn't know that he was going to break his arm pretty much as he fucking got in a ring. And then, of course, about that time, Mike, or obviously not Mike, but Kevin's daughter said that after Mike and Carrie or Mike and I'll get it right in a second Mike and David etc

that they were always afraid the kids were I'll try this again that if the grownups got too depressed they would commit suicide can you imagine that from a kid's standpoint so point being blah blah blah

Doris then divorces Fritz because now she blamed him and that's where Kevin was saying my mom was weak God bless her and she weren't weak I think she just fed to fuck up but you know again Kevin has broken up about it but he still takes up for Fritz

so now Kevin's pretty much retired David's gone Mike's gone carries in the WWF but he is again we've talked about it before in the past on the show here where they had such plans for him that they could have done if he didn't have his problems whether the missing the family the drugs that he was already on the pain keeping up with doing this with one foot and so they said wwe sent him to betty ford and then apparently fired him when that didn't work. And that's when he got arrested again with cocaine, at a probation violation.

Wasn't it a prescription thing? He had fake prescriptions? You know what? Well, they said cocaine here, but well, he had cocaine on him when they arrested him for the fake prescriptions. It was something like that, yeah. Obviously, but this again, Jesus H. Christ, everybody had said in stories before that, well, Carrie knew he was probably going back to prison, the probation violation. He didn't want to do that. But did you hear the story ever that his wife had said he called her to have lunch and wanted to get back together? And she didn't want to. And that's what he told her, well, you're going to be better off without me. Oh, don't say that. And that's what he killed himself.

Jesus Christ. I have heard in the past that he was really upset that his wife wouldn't get back to him. That was kind of back. I didn't know he left the lunch and like, okay. Never heard that before ever, but I've never heard her interviewed before. But anyway, and then they kind of brought everybody up to date on the kids of the kids. Lacey became a wrestler for a while and thankfully moved on from that. The daughter Holly has a nice lakehouse, apparently.

That's, you know, that was a nice joint there. Nice demeanor. She just seemed like a really pleasant person. Yeah. And, of course, Fritz had just gotten cancer aggressively and just within months died. They showed the newspaper. I was in Dallas the day he died or, you know, the next day in the newspaper, because I was switching planes to go to Amarillo

for the Terry Funk 50 years in Amarillo show. Yeah. And I'm in the Dallas airport and they're on the front page of the papers. The death of Fritz von Eric, I got the paper still. And that's when Kevin decided, you know, hey, let's go to Hawaii.

And the whole family went out there. And they didn't even mention Ross and Marshall becoming, his son's becoming wrestlers. I can't believe they said, they gave Lacey a mention. well shit yeah the because this is

WWE and they're signed AEW right or they were I don't know they're they're not in the family so they don't the WWE family that is so they don't get to get mentioned but you know they're after 20 years of them all out there and holy shit

you know because Kevin just wants to be outside and barefoot in nature so I'm sure that was fantastic but they they were isolated out there. And that's really, Ross and Marshall didn't get a lot of reps in during their prime

athletic years because they were 2,000 miles away from any booking. But now they've moved back to Bernie, Texas, as where Brody used to live. And they're out on this ranch again with all the fish in the game and the wilds

and the trucks and the roller skating room. roller skating room and the pawpaw patch and everything. Apparently they have a, I guess they bought it and have taken it over, but that roller skating room, there's a room there that the public can rent and have functions in of some, whatever function you have in a room like that as part of their big spread they got there. But that's, it was a sad, obviously,

second part to the story, but equally as well done, and I thought this was the, there's things left out and you'd had to go six hours as we've talked about. But this was the most honest, mainstream major, well done, polished up look at the whole thing that I think we've seen all and all. I completely agree. And I think I've seen maybe five different documentaries about them if I really think about it. Legends are world class, triumph and tragedy, I think it was. of world class, the WW DVD, Dark Side of the Ring. There was that other one, and then this. So there's been several.

I thought they did a good job and, yeah, it's a sad part two. And it's a ton of sadness that they deal with. But I think almost it was a positive ending just because you're seeing the next generation and now they have kids. And they seem rather well adjusted. And they're not running from anything. They understand it. They all seem to be very happy together,

which is a family thing for the Varnericks. So I thought it ended on a real positive note. And, you know, I'm glad also that clearly they felt disappointed and upset with the Iron Claw. Oh, yeah. I'm glad they had this opportunity to kind of straighten out a few things about that, too, because, you and I were kind of disappointed with that movie as well, and we weren't in the family.

I could only imagine what anything. Yeah. Yeah, and they got the opportunity here to say, hey, it was a, it was a fine movie, but it wasn't anything like the real story, which we illustrated it wasn't. So,

you know, and that's, and like you said with Kevin, I'm glad he's happy and contented and still, you know, I mean, he walks around a little, you know,

vent over every once in a while, because of the wrestling days. but at least at his age he's still ambulatory and out there jumping into lakes and shit. Like Michael Jackson, he's climbing trees. Yeah. But like you said, you know, he believes what he believes,

but he's good at believing it, and he's an upstanding person. I guess it could have turned out a lot worse. Because you've seen other wrestlers get into religion and they talk about it. And not to say they don't believe it, what they're saying, They give a very polished wrestling promo, baby face wrestling promo, but about religion.

You could trade water filtration system or aluminum siding for the subject of religion and the delivery would be somewhat similar, but not with Kevin. He just, he's like one of those old-fashioned Western fucking preachers in the Western movies. He closes his eyes and he clenches his fist and you believe him. You're like, oh my God, he's feeling that fight with the devil right now. I just wanted to fight him. All right, I guess the listeners, if we don't get to fuck out of here, are going to want to fight us, aren't they?

I don't know. I think they would prefer we do like an eight-hour show, but I think we need to stop because I have to get back to editing, and we have a WWE pay-per-view, and then we have to come back and record all about the pay-per-view and fun, fun, fun. So many fun things, but folks, thank you very much for your support to your indulgence, your patience, and all the other things that you have perpetrated over the last few hours

for this program. We will be back soon. And until then, thank you. Fuck you. And bye, bye, bye, everybody.