Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 645: Cursing Raw

Episode Date: August 5, 2026

This week on the Experience, Jim reviews Dark Side's Big Boss Man episode, AEW Dynamite, Grayson Waller's NXT promo, and Danhausen & Joe Hendry's concert on WWE Raw! Plus Jim talks about Bron Brea...kker, Dave Meltzer's star ratings for Redemption, Vince Russo's comments about Triple H & WWE creative, and much more! Also, Jim looks at two more TNA agent reports from 2007! Thanks to our episode sponsors: RAYCON: The Everyday Earbuds Classics are a great option for everyday listening. Go to buyraycon.com/jce to get 20% off. Thanks to Raycon for sponsoring! HELIX: Get 20% off with early access to Helix's Labor Day Sale at helixsleep.com/JCE. FACTOR:  Head to Factormeals.com/jce50off and use code jce50off to get 50 percent off and free daily greens per box, with new subscription only, while supplies last. Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 The midnight and the rock and roll. He's in a fight for wrestling soul using a racket and some mind control. He's Jim Cornett. The keys to the future. The next episode of the Jim Cornett experience today. Danhausen finally cursed himself. Grayson Waller is my new favorite wrestler. An old friend of ours is begging for a job again.
Starting point is 00:01:15 And we're going to look at the dark side of the ring episode on the big boss man. me for all this and more. Hawaiian Brian the podcasting line the King of the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network, Mr. Co-host to you, I believe he was cursing raw. Be great, Brian Last, everybody. Aloha, Jim,
Starting point is 00:01:33 a pleasure to be here once again. Nice to see that Dan Housen tried to one-up professional wrestling's favorite organist, and it didn't work. People called it out, they said he's no Brian last. I don't know if he was even playing as good as the Phantom
Starting point is 00:01:49 of the opera. Although it was definitely a scary situation. You know, that's one of the things that people don't talk about often with the Phantom of the Opera. I mean, just brutal, brutal man did bad things, but really a fantastic musician. He was. That was, well, he had plenty of time to practice down there in the bowels of the Paris Opera House.
Starting point is 00:02:11 What else are you going to do down there? You know, you barbecue rats and you play the organ. I'm sure he did a lot of organ playing down. down there all alone for all those years. Barbecue Rats and Playing in the Oregon, the upcoming biography of Terry Taylor. Stay tuned, wherever you found your favorite podcasts. Anyway, I'm trying to get comfortable here somewhere or another. My chair has run down too low, Brian.
Starting point is 00:02:39 I'm in my normal chair, and it's cranked up as far as I can get it to go, but I am two inches lower than normal on my desk here where the microphone is played. to guide my notes. I'm trying to look at an angle. I feel odd. I feel like I'm sitting in a hole. Down in. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:03:03 Stuart from Northampton, UK. Guess what he did? He pulled you out of your hole? No, he sent the boys, Alfred Pudensworth and Nature Boy, Buddy Cornett. He sent him from some British chew sticks and dog toys. and the You better have those tested
Starting point is 00:03:24 Well no They're high quality Because the Brits They put everything right there On the label where you can say Do you know a lot of our food Is not allowed to be served I found this out in the United Kingdom
Starting point is 00:03:37 Because it doesn't meet their parameters For how much actual real food is in it versus how many chemicals and additives And preservatives and shit It's not it's not our food Is not even street legal over there Some of it But some of these chew sticks, they're made out of real wood.
Starting point is 00:03:56 And they're shaped like little tree trunks and everything. And the boys have just loved them to death, along with everything else in the world that takes you on. So I wanted to thank Stuart for that. Why would you downplay the quality of the British dog toy? I've sent you some wood from over here in the forest. Give it to your dogs. Get out of here.
Starting point is 00:04:17 What is this? Do you need wood? It's wood? Well, it's made from real... It's a dog toy with a label on it, and it's commercially sold, but it's made from real wood, so that they don't have to worry about eating any attitudes.
Starting point is 00:04:34 Was that a worry of yours, the additives that they're consuming? Well, you never know what type of substances some of these things these days may have in them, and we have no goddamn oversight anymore, thanks to our criminal government over our food or the things we're consuming. Measles are back. Did you see Robert F. Kennedy?
Starting point is 00:04:53 Explosive diarrhea. Go ahead. Robert F. Kennedy launched a cooking show? For what? Possum and Roadkill? Yeah, I don't know. But they had clips of it on the news when it was like past the point of the real news and I had it on mute and I was doing something else.
Starting point is 00:05:08 And I just looked over it. And then on another station later on that night, same thing. Robert F. Kennedy cooking. And it doesn't look like he wants the beef. He looks like he's been cooked. Yeah. He looks like he's literally been, what do they call that process? Desiccated.
Starting point is 00:05:24 He's a desiccated human being. It looks like someone put him in the microwave and just like pulled him out at the last second. But here is by Dalmatian foie gras. Anyhow, so we got some emails from some of the cult members I wanted to recognize. First of all, Jeremy, and Jeremy is from Hardensburg, Kentucky. and he sent me a picture of me and his best friend Brian Kennerson. Be kin to most, but just Kennerson to him. And it was in Lexington, and I'm thinking, well, Jeremy says it was 2014 over in Lexington, Kentucky.
Starting point is 00:06:04 I'm thinking it was either Scarefest or probably the Lexington Comic Con. But anyway, point being, unfortunately, Brian passed away. a couple of years ago, 2022, to bone cancer. And he had been going through treatments for the marrow and everything. And then finally, that was not fruitful. And Jeremy just had come across the picture and wanted to thank me for doing it. But also, I thought we would recognize, even though it's late, we'd recognize Bekin. And Jeremy, we're sorry for your loss.
Starting point is 00:06:43 and you know, that's whenever it's in any other line of work, Brian, do people send pictures of friends or family members that have passed away along with somebody to that person and say, well, thank you for taking this picture.
Starting point is 00:07:08 It's just, it's, it's, it's still odd to me that they would be thanking me for, when that is happening. Do you see what I'm saying and badly? Yes, very badly. Yes, okay, I'm glad you can agree with that. Another email we got Johnny, and he doesn't say where he's from, but Johnny H. And unfortunately, Mr. Lulu, his cat of 13 years passed away.
Starting point is 00:07:37 This is just like a week ago. This just came in. And he goes into detail on his medical, issues, which I don't want to go through at this point, not Johnny's, but Mr. Lulu's, but Johnny said I used to be a severe shithead and an alcoholic, and 10 years ago I stopped drinking and turned my life around for that cat. He was my best buddy and my smile at the end of every shitty day, and he deserves to have everybody know him and his name for saving my life. So Mr. Lulu will not be forgotten now that he's been memorialized.
Starting point is 00:08:15 on tape or whatever they, what do you call it now that we put audio on when we can't say tape anymore? I don't know. Do you have any idea? I don't know if there's a specific term for that. No. Well, why don't we coin one? What are we putting this on?
Starting point is 00:08:35 What is it being recorded on? It's digitally being recorded. It's not digital tape. Well, we're putting it on digital. It's being digitaled. Digitized. Well, no. Well, no.
Starting point is 00:08:46 That has a different. painting. See? It's like redacted when you digitize something. So this is digitaling now. Oh, I'm going to choose to redact it. Let's redact it all. Okay. Should we redact the whole program we've done so far and start over? Let's go to Nicholas's email. He's got a happy, cheerful story to tell us. I'm in the hospital after a motorcycle wreck on the 20th. I have a brain bleed and several broken limbs. I'll be listening to your podcast now and again and again until the new one comes out. New what?
Starting point is 00:09:26 The new podcast. Oh, okay. I thought he made a new limb. No, they're not taking anything out of him. They're just trying to patch up the shit that's there. He said, because that's what he does, he listens to our podcast and he listens to it over and over until the next one comes out and then he repeats the procedure. There's, you know what, that's our new t-shirt.
Starting point is 00:09:43 come listen over and over repeat sleep get the i don't know anyway nicholas continues to say he listens to this over and over especially when he's on the treadmill or elliptical working out you've got a fucking brain bleed and several broken limbs how can how and why are you working out on a fucking treadmill. Is he hopping on one leg? Is he crawling on his belly like a reptile? What the, I don't have a brain bleed or any broken limbs,
Starting point is 00:10:24 and I don't think I could get on a treadmill. Or what is the elliptical? Is that the, is that like the tilt of whirl, Brian? It takes you around and round. Well, it doesn't take you around it around. It takes your legs. Like a record baby, right round, round, round.
Starting point is 00:10:39 It's like being able to run without the impact of actually running. So your legs go around. in a running motion, but you're not actually... Your legs go right round, baby, right round. I hate that fucking song. Round and round. What comes around goes around.
Starting point is 00:10:53 I'll tell you what. But anyway, and Nicholas says... How come no one ever emails him like, hey, I won the lotto. I listened to you every day. Well, no, if they won the lottery, the last thing they're going to be is listening to us. They're trying...
Starting point is 00:11:05 Miserable people listen to us to take their mind off their misery. If you're happy, you're out there, just frolicing in the fucking daisies. Listen here, Nicholas says, if you guys could send positive vibes my way, it'd be gracially, greatly appreciated in the hopes that I can heal quickly
Starting point is 00:11:26 and with good health. And much love to the puppy. Well, much love to you, Nicholas, and your broken limbs and bleeding brain. We send you positive vibes. We hope you win the lotto and send us hefty winnings. Well, I, but here's, the thing is he going to want to share in the losses.
Starting point is 00:11:45 I sat and watched a lady the other day in line at a convenience store, didn't look like she had, as Mama Cornett would say, a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out of, spit $50 on like lottery tickets. I've never bought a lottery ticket in my life. I have no idea how you do it even because she's as well, I want four of the blue toes and six of the ramacans and there's some ding-dongs. I don't know what the fuck she's saying.
Starting point is 00:12:13 And they're picking out all these different tickets. And she could have given me the $50. I would have given her a hearty handshake and she would have had something. Phil from Bethel Ridge, Kentucky. I want to mention him because I recognize, Phil, I recognized your name. You've been a customer at Cornett's Collectibles.
Starting point is 00:12:34 And he sent this to both of us, Brian. And he had started listening to our shows back in 2017 because he, Smoggy Mount Wrestling was his introduction to wrestling when he and his dad used to watch on Saturday mornings. And then unfortunately his youngest sister passed away in 2016. She was only like 17 years old. And he was finding stuff, take his mind off things and started listening to our show. And now he has become a devotee.
Starting point is 00:13:09 And he said, Brian, you are the best co-host in podcasting. and he says you and Jim are the Lance and Dave of today. So that's pretty, pretty dagum heavy stuff. He could have said you're the Dave and Corey of today. He could have said that, but he wouldn't have got his email read on the fucking air had he done that. Well, that would have made you Dave. I think that's still acceptable. Well, yeah, but I wouldn't want to bury you.
Starting point is 00:13:39 All right there, Padna. Oh, we got a big one Monday. Do you know what, Corey, Corey Macklin, and bless him, he's passed away. He had a car wreck years ago. And I'm not trying to, but here's the thing. I would say this to his face is that he didn't just imitate Lance Russell because he was doing Lance. He's a, instead of a 70-year-old, you know, grandfatherly type white guy, he was a 30-something-year-old black guy. So the voice didn't match, but he was doing Lance Russell.
Starting point is 00:14:17 And that's why he had that, well, and that's ridiculous. But the thing is, is that it consumed him, the point I was going to make it, consumed him to the point where he talked like that in real life, not when he was on the, on the air, just. He would, when you were talking to him, it was like you're talking to a fucking guy trying to do a Lance Russell impression. And it was just funny, but he didn't realize I don't think he was doing it a lot of times. What do you think Lance? What do you think Lance? What do you mean, Corey? How are you?
Starting point is 00:14:52 Hey, Lance. Well, no, he knew because, I mean, it's not like that was the first time that anybody. Randy Hales had quite a bit of Lance Lansisms or Lansosity or whatever in the way he accented things and statements he made. everybody did that grew up watching him. So Lance was, I'm sure, very flattered, if not necessarily with the execution as with the thought and the sentiment behind it.
Starting point is 00:15:28 And real quick, also, Brian, you're going to want to know about this because we may have to work something out off air here, whatever. But hey, Jim and Brian, my name is Brandon. and I'm from good old Manchester, Kentucky. I'm a FedEx driver around these parts, and I'm constantly listening to you guys while I'm out making my deliveries. And a few days ago,
Starting point is 00:15:50 I was listening to one of the older experience episodes from December 8, 2021, where Jim proposed a $500 bet with you, claiming that Braun Breaker would be the WWE champion in the next 30 months. And I remember that now, Okay, that's the first time we saw him. I said, well, here is the future of the business.
Starting point is 00:16:14 But as Brandon goes on, sadly, clearly Jim has lost that bet by two plus years. So my question is, when will Jim man up and pay off? It was supposed to be $500 to the winner's choice of charity. So you can send me your recommendation off the air. I'm a man of my word. I don't mind saying it publicly so other people will support the cause the Arcadian Vanguard Hanukkah Pizza Fund. All right now. Because it's very best to supply pizza to the last family for eight nights in a row.
Starting point is 00:16:48 I thought that they had had their license pull due to the... Oh, no, no. Well, it was due to the explosive diarrhea cyclist variasis outbreak. There's no connection, and they've just gone underground. They haven't disappeared, but they are back, and we are back. And thank you for a remembering. that. If anyone else remembers any other times that Jim promised me money on the here, please write in. But you know, it does raise a bigger question. Coming off unreal and seeing a lot of
Starting point is 00:17:20 brawn breaker and knowing about the injuries and knowing how the booking's been, you probably should have won that bet. They probably should have made them hotter coming out of the gate, maybe. Well, and actually, no. You don't think so? tell you what, now that I've had the op- I mean, it was probably about to happen, right? So December 2021 to 2025 and they were building this thing when he got hurt. It's close.
Starting point is 00:17:52 It was four years instead of two and a half, but I was still lost. But with hindsight having seen his progression and where he was a couple of years ago versus now, I think because they they did that with the rock partly because they had to
Starting point is 00:18:13 you know there was competition at the time and you know it was it was just everything was on hyper speed but now they've had no they don't have meaningful competition let's just fucking face it sorry you know to all the AEW fans but they haven't needed to rush him and I think he's in a bet he was in a better
Starting point is 00:18:32 spot at the end of last year to be putting that position than he was four years ago. He was in a better spot then he feels now. That's the problem, I think, is that it's happening in a period of time where he just kind of feels not lost, but in the middle of things that don't matter. Well, but that's, unfortunately, that's, you know, he got hurt, it changed the plans.
Starting point is 00:18:58 All the other plans started being, you know, less interesting. That's not his fault. But there is still an opportunity for him. He's a better performer and more ready now than even if he might not be as hot as he's ever been. So they're still going to do it. And it's not like he won't be able to take even better advantage of it when it happens. So I was wrong. Somebody better not goddamn loop that and set it to music.
Starting point is 00:19:31 Pay up. Loop that. Well, hey, how about fuck that. Fuck that, suck this. How about that over there? Don't loop that. Don't loop that. Don't loop that.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Fuck that's my new single. Jace, redact. Redact that. My new single on the Arcadian Vanguard label is going to be, fuck that, suck this. And one more. This is not an email. Sounds like the G.G. Allen reunion concert.
Starting point is 00:20:00 What the fuck kind of subtitle is that? Suck my ass. It smells. There would probably be eat this in there somewhere. also, but this is not an email, Brian, and it will move along with programming. But it's an order to Cornett's collectibles, which, by the way, exists at Jimcornett.com,
Starting point is 00:20:19 where you can find the finest in Cornett-related merchandise, action figures, t-shirts, the least expensive autographed items in the wrestling industry, because I deal in bulk and volume, I'm bulky and I take up a lot of volume. and I don't try to just squeeze the customer for every single penny. Anyway, but at Jimcornet.com, I got an order for my new, not new anymore, from last Octavia,
Starting point is 00:20:48 don't have it, it's new to you, best-selling book, Heroes and Friends, and the inscription they wanted on the autograph was, sorry, I cost you all that money. And sometimes people want personalizations that it doesn't quite make sense if it's written that way coming for me or I just I need more information to grasp what I'm doing. So I had Hotchka's Feather Bottom inquire on who did I cost money or I cost you or the money for buying the book or what's going on with this,
Starting point is 00:21:25 right? And the guy wrote back as Kevin from Columbus, Ohio and he said the backstory to that he's getting the book for a friend. And he said the last time that Jim was at the Charlotte Wrestling Fan Fest, the reunion they have down there, which is, I guess, 2019, my friend was at the ATM as Jim walked by. He saw Jim and got so starstruck, he left a couple of hundred dollars in the ATM machine never to be found. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:22:01 So when he turned around and started talking to me, and engaged me in ribbled conversation. He walked off so please. So he paid $200 to talk to me for like two minutes in the hallway. So I just, I don't know what the friend's name is,
Starting point is 00:22:17 but I'd like to say that I'm not going to send you the $200 back, but it was a good story. So now at least you've been memorialized as what a dumb fuck you are. But we don't know your name, so you're still safe. The masked dumb fuck. It's good to hear at this late date
Starting point is 00:22:33 you're still doing the ATM talk money theft thing. I thought you had given that up. Well, it's... I almost start a conversation with that guy at the ATM. Let me grab his money. A guy's got to make a living, Brian, you know, and the attendance was down that year. Dick Murdoch used to walk by pay phones
Starting point is 00:22:55 back in the day when such a thing existed and for fun to stick his fucking fingers into coin returns to see if everybody left their... quarter. A quarter was a big deal back then. Well, yeah, a quarter don't buy what it used to. For a quarter in the old days,
Starting point is 00:23:13 you could get a night's lodging back in the days of the Alaskan Gold Rush. You got nights lodging, a good hot cup of porridge and a whore for 25 cents. Well, that was your two cents.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Well, now, let's talk about my new favorite wrestler Brian you ought to you don't talk about my new favorite wrestler a guy I will now I'm going to at least have to make some effort to start watching him if if they keep if he keeps this level of intensity and they keep letting him do these things like this grace and waller is now my new favorite wrestling and I think you literally wish this guy would leave the business. I think you wished intro. Oh, I had a Grayson Waller rule.
Starting point is 00:24:09 I wouldn't watch anything he was involved with. I thought he poisoned my boy theory. He's poisoned my boy. A few times I told you I watched your segments and he did all right. You shot me down. I shit upon you. I flung feces in your facial fucking features. He looked ridiculous in his outfit.
Starting point is 00:24:29 He had a stupid haircut. He had a fucking flage. pale physique, and he was unintimitating in every way, and he was in stupid angles, doing stupid things and saying equally stupid material. And he apologized for all of that. This, on NXT this past week, and obviously, this was based on the CM Punk pipe bomb promo.
Starting point is 00:25:01 I mean, down to the cutting the mic at the end. end. It didn't make as much ripple, buzz, whatever the kids say as the pipe bomb punk, pipe bomb punk
Starting point is 00:25:18 promo did because obviously the viewership is not what it was when that 2011 when that happened and it's on NXT and it's a different world. And it's also been you know, there was a
Starting point is 00:25:34 precedent for this, but the material was very good, but the delivery was fantastic, and what's more, the emotion from this guy was fantastic, which we'll talk about,
Starting point is 00:25:50 the changes that he's made, which we'll talk about, are fantastic. Because it shows he's fucking serious. So, when I was watching it, I started trying to jot down well, some inflammatory lines
Starting point is 00:26:06 and then I just gave up and I just watched it because I couldn't, a court stenographer couldn't have fucking taken this down and do it justice and you ought to see it so everybody should look for it on YouTube or wherever it lives. But he was obviously
Starting point is 00:26:22 this wasn't the same vein backstage I betcha as the punk pipe bomb promo was as well as on camera because you could tell that he's talked to Sean Michaels and he's vented his frustrations
Starting point is 00:26:38 and you can also tell that Michaels if not sympathizes, identifies, he feels his pain and he's first when he comes out
Starting point is 00:26:54 apparently he's just showed up the last week or so in NXT but he is not wearing clown clothes he's in a black outfit it was a warm-up track suit whatever the fuck it was but he looked like a goddamn normal human being
Starting point is 00:27:10 athlete he's got a different haircut that doesn't look so fucking leave it to beaverish he's got a tan he even mentioned it as he opened his jacket he's got abs he's worked on his body he's changed that
Starting point is 00:27:28 fucking look and his whole promo began with the again i'm not going to quote lines he did a great fucking job if he there's no way that obviously that that was written for him or that he memorized it he felt it it was the way he felt and he was allowed within certain parameters to go out there and say it and i'm going to get to the point where sean michaels obviously endorses some of his thoughts behind the scenes as well. But he came out and he had called attention
Starting point is 00:28:06 to how he was brought to the main roster and treated like a joke from day one and was in some of the made to look silly and to say stupid things, putting silly scenarios, however he phrased it, not allowed to be who he wanted to be, doing shitty fucking, basically just totally,
Starting point is 00:28:32 people, no, they booked me like goddamn Bozo the clown. And then he talked about when then he finally got hurt and what he's done since that time, he called attention to changes he's made and the re-igniting the passion.
Starting point is 00:28:49 He was doing a variety of inside references and Knox and et cetera that it used to be the smart fans will get it, but now all the fans are smart fans to these things because he didn't he didn't go so granularly inside baseball that he lost everybody he stuck to the main parts of the things that almost every fan would fucking acknowledge especially if they've seen
Starting point is 00:29:18 unreal they know sean is the guy behind the scenes they know that they've called oba and trick and these other guys up from nxte and they're on the main ron you see what i'm saying the marty Genetti of the team is who he was talking about theory, right? That's exactly who he was talking about. Yeah. And I'm beginning to think that, you know, maybe, maybe theory just has the IQ of a fucking egg plant because there, or just does something to grate on people. Liberty, Bibbity.
Starting point is 00:29:51 He's goddamn, he's just the phenomenal athlete to look at him. But boy, howdy. Anyway. So he's pumping his fucking promos. what I'm trying to say. And he's being and then he starts talking about the current NXT
Starting point is 00:30:09 roster. And he blitzkrieg, the goddamn male roster. He said, the girls are lapping you. 10% of this roster is ready and they're all women. This NXT title has been open for the taking and none of you have stepped up. That's
Starting point is 00:30:25 Sean Michaels. Probably getting in a appointed comment or two through him and also because he probably sees that this Waller guy has come back with some fire
Starting point is 00:30:41 and wants to be good, it wants to reinvent himself, wants to overcome whatever the fuck it was that he was doing the things that he obviously didn't want to be doing. Whatever that, why ever they thought that was good to present this guy like that?
Starting point is 00:30:58 So at any rate, and he's challenging the champion Tony DiAngelo who's been there so long that'll make it the DeAngelo position in NXT because he's been there since the fucking start hadn't he? And it was just, it was a wonderful delivery
Starting point is 00:31:17 and he had oomph and he didn't let the people to throw him off and, you know, he just vented his spleen. And I'll be, again, there's, you know, he could, couldn't go out there and say, oh, fuck-a-McFuck-Fuck-Fuck. And he wasn't, you know, he knocked his. I heard there was some controversy that he had said a couple of inflammatory comments toward TNA.
Starting point is 00:31:46 Well, who gives a shit? And, I mean, I know they have a working relationship, but this is, the people in TNA ought to realize this is a guy doing some fucking business. but at the same time and what was it he said that the top guy in T&A is like the nicest guy in prison if I was saying it or something derogatory
Starting point is 00:32:08 like that but because that's because Santana just came in to NXT and under whatever name he's got now Cruz Montana and no that's a state PR slogan
Starting point is 00:32:24 no that's his new name he went from Santana to Montana well a special referee dantana uh but anyway that's that's it's a he's setting up an opponent for himself he wasn't just trying to stick a dagger in the heart of the upstart t and a company as a whole but nevertheless brilliant he's made the effort what do i say all the time with these fucking guys but daniel garcia looks like the same moat-faced fucking unimpressive
Starting point is 00:33:01 shit that he did three years ago and these other they never try to better themselves he obviously couldn't do anything about the way
Starting point is 00:33:13 he was being booked at that period of time but when he was given the break he comes back with his hair transformed his outlook changed his physique changed his goddamn
Starting point is 00:33:25 he's ready to cut a promo and he said, I've reminded myself or whoever it is that reminded him the who, Crason Waller really is. The name still sounds like a bucket of pig slop, but maybe we'll get there. But at least he's doing something to show some goddamn effort. Your thoughts, young man. First of all, I'm surprised that you took to this the way you did. It's nice to see, nice to hear. I've liked Waller at times. I've really not liked his stuff at times. I think a lot of it is what was written for him and what he was told to do.
Starting point is 00:34:05 I think they liked the fact that he was able to perform their stuff, which doesn't mean their stuff is good. He's not the first guy to clearly be frustrated and given a mic and said, go out there and just let people know what you think. It would probably help if more people did that and spoke like that. Not necessarily going off of the company or anything, but just go talk. yes and i mean there's you you can't be doing the i'm going to vent my real thoughts promo with everybody all the time or then it becomes like everything else it doesn't mean anything more because
Starting point is 00:34:40 everybody does it but if this had been i will draw one parallel and then we'll move along but if this had been an a w television or tna television or any of the televisions where the guys are so indie-minded and concentrating on creating characters and dramatic stories rather than digging into their goddamn soul and fucking venting like this guy did, they would have memorized it.
Starting point is 00:35:16 The language, but it would have been a lot more florid. They would have gone way farther inside baseball and it would have felt like forever. And blah. But because this guy you could tell and it wasn't, you didn't have to be smart to the business to tell that he had been pissed off, but you believed it because he was,
Starting point is 00:35:41 the delivery was excellent and he had the passion and the emotion. And still he, he not only got all those lines out and all those elbows and the ribs and various things, he did a smooth job of it and didn't go too far to where somebody, you know, it would have been out of sanction.
Starting point is 00:36:08 That's not easy. And he talked for five or six, seven, eight minutes, whatever the fuck it was. It's not that goddamn easy. And he did that the performance is what put it over for me that he showed that he could do that. If he can do that, he can do some other good shit.
Starting point is 00:36:27 If he could do that, should it be, does it need to be an NXT? Could it have been on Rawr's Smackdown? I'm just going to vamp for a second until I decide for myself, because he needed to go away from the television programs
Starting point is 00:36:49 that he had been on for people to forget the shit that he obviously didn't want be doing in the first place. And I don't think that he could have come back in the shows with just interrupting all the
Starting point is 00:37:04 programming that they're doing now. He'd come back to whichever show he left on the main roster and do this because I think this is almost part of if he's going to be successful, this is a step he needs
Starting point is 00:37:20 to take before the main roster so they have the package. You wonder what happened to Grayson Waller, who was a big star on SmackDown, even though he looked like shit and everybody laughed at him. Well, he was hurt and he went away, but boy howdy, about how many months ago on NXT, he came back and said shit like this. Boom. And then he went out and won the NXT title like this, boom.
Starting point is 00:37:48 And then he's defended against so-and-so and such and such. And now, boy, howdy, he said, says he's ready to come back and kick some people's ass from one side of the ring to the other right here on Smackdown, Rothel in Blank. That's part of the, if he's going to get a chance and he's going to be able to be himself and get over that way, that's part of the story that they can tell. This guy went out and reinvented himself and threw off the chains of bad booking. Or however, the fuck, they ain't going to say it like that, but you know what I mean. So I don't think he should I think this is the first step in the story that they hopefully will tell,
Starting point is 00:38:33 but not just like, I'm back, I'm over, one good promo, but Bravo. Change your fucking name, Grayson, be anything else, but not that. It may not be his option. Well, be, you know what, he should come. come up with a good nickname. Maybe he could be T-Bone. Hey, T-Bone. Or Coco.
Starting point is 00:39:08 You're watching a lot of Sine-Tailed fans in the... All right. Anyway, but now that was a good thing that happened this last week under the T-KO-W-E umbrella, but there was something that, unfortunately, I'm sure the viewership was even wider for that was not as positive for a character or characters as they say. Did Danhausen fuck up and point in the mirror and curse himself last week on Raw,
Starting point is 00:39:43 Brian? This wasn't just us. Because people say, oh, they don't like anything. But no, people that like things didn't like this. There's people that don't like anything anymore because of this. isn't there? This was one of the worst things I've ever seen in wrestling on wrestling TV. You could blame Danhausen and the use of Danhausen and all the accessory performers of Dan
Starting point is 00:40:12 Hansen. Joe Hendry deserves plenty of blame too. I don't think I want to see Joe Hendry ever again. And then we're not even getting to. We're just talking about the atrociousness and the length. And it seemed like an hour. of the segment. I timed it.
Starting point is 00:40:29 I'm going to tell you the time here shortly, but I timed it. But then there's a whole separate part of it where they have some fucking boxer who I don't even know. Was that what he was? I was going to ask you because I didn't have time to lick him out.
Starting point is 00:40:40 He's fighting for Zoufa boxing. Dana White. I thought he was a goddamn Hispanic rap star or something. He's part of the flywheel. So they got, so they get this guy involved in this angle. And once again,
Starting point is 00:40:53 we have an outside, I don't care that he's an athlete, an outside person to wrestling, beating up the wrestlers again. We just had the Knicks. We had Carl Anthony Towns chokeslamming the judgment day through fucking tables.
Starting point is 00:41:08 And now this. To be fair, he did strike from behind with a guitar, which he's, see, that's another reason. I thought he was a fucking musician. He picked up the guitar and started strumming it.
Starting point is 00:41:19 We're getting ahead of ourselves. Yeah, and he's not, we'll get into the boxer in a little bit, yes. Yes, we'll, I've never seen him wrestle, but I've seen his box. Anyway, I've got to say this at the outset, because I don't ever see Joe Hendry again, and did Danhausen curse himself.
Starting point is 00:41:41 I'm not blaming the talent in this situation. Because it's like if you tell somebody the Poseidon is sinking, here's a teacup, bail it out. they had nothing to work with there was no way this was ever going to be good or that it was going to ever get over with the audience in the arena or the audience at home or potentially
Starting point is 00:42:08 I don't know what the I I'm afraid the audience was the writer's room because they just kept tickling themselves over and over until it spiraled out of control like the green slime on Stephen King and creep show this is another one of those times
Starting point is 00:42:24 where it felt like the writer's room was AI. But yeah. Well, here's the thing. And I bet you Joe Hendry wrote that song. And as a catchy little Danhausen diddy that could have been presented at a less offensive way and more briefly
Starting point is 00:42:44 and not in the middle of the goddamn whole show right in the middle of the ring, song wasn't bad. The idea of Joe Hendry singing name, that's what got him over. Danhausen playing a spooky organ, the pieces of some of the pieces of this in, in a backstage or pre-tape or on location, whatever the fuck for a minute, too, you know, they're watching it on the screen and then here we go. Some of these things would have worked, but this was way fucking out of control and over the top. And that therein lies the problem.
Starting point is 00:43:22 The point is, I feel bad for the talent because they knew that this thing was hurting people's feelings. They opened on them in the ring with Joe Hendry in the spotlight singing or strumming the guitar and is starting to sing a song and then Danhausen is on the other side of the ring
Starting point is 00:43:45 in front of an organ and more on that, more on his organ in a moment. And they start singing. singing a, like a duet ballad, the slow, you know, like melodic. And Henry was really strumming. But Danhausen is obviously, not only is he not really playing the organ, as we will later find out, it's not a fucking organ. It's a goddamn gimmick.
Starting point is 00:44:12 But then, if they may have done a minute and a half there, I think people would have applauded and they could have all left smiling. but then they come out front and the beat picks up and the dance routine and then here come the three many Danhausens are back again that we've seen in the past and they're all dancing and clapping while they're singing this song I believe you are cursed and again Henry writes witty little songs and he had a couple of stanzas or or verses what you're the music guy Brian what is that part before you go into the chorus I believe you are cursed it's a it's a it's a it's a it's a I believe in this case it was it was shit it was well it was it was a shitty one of those things they're this the the uh yeah
Starting point is 00:45:11 and the fans while the all the dancing and clapping was going on the fans were sitting and staring you could literally see on the hard, hard camera shot, there would be like three people half-heartedly clapping, like, okay, let's see where this is going. They're still with it. And then here come down
Starting point is 00:45:32 the entranceway. I believe there were, if there weren't 10, there were 12. What were they, the L.A. Lakers dancing girl cheerleader people, whatever they call them now? They had the L.A. outfits on and they were
Starting point is 00:45:48 a whole lot of them. They were a whole lot of them. For this segment, for this segment, think how many people. And they come out, well, when they got Danhausen mass in front of them as they come down the aisle and they split off and they go to the front of the ring, the hard camera side,
Starting point is 00:46:02 and they reveal themselves, the Danhausen master dropped, and then they go into a dance routine to the beat of this, you know, they went into another chorus after there was a goddamn melodic inner break. And then another chorus of,
Starting point is 00:46:23 I believe you are cursed. And they're dancing in some cases looked like Elaine at the Christmas party to go back to Seinfeld. So that's going on. And it was so quiet at that point, you could hear individual handclaps of the people in and around the ring.
Starting point is 00:46:43 It was so quiet in this arena with however many thousand people. And that's when the guy hopped the rail. And Michael Cole said, well, that's Ryan Garcia. And I was going to, oh, is he Danny's brother? Does AEW know he's there? But I thought he was a fucking, you know, a rap guy or a bad bunny fellow.
Starting point is 00:47:09 So nobody in the crowd was clapping while the conga line went around the ring. And when old Garcia gets in the ring, he picks up the guitar and starts strumming it and Joe Hendry, yay, cheer for us and turns his back and he, Garcia draws back and hits fucking Hendry in the back with the guitar, which he's got to then go down and sell for a while.
Starting point is 00:47:34 And it actually, I think it got to pop because it stopped the music, didn't it? Because later on they booed when they, heel started beating up Danhausen, but it was a cheer when the music stopped. And so did the conversation. I was hoping he would destroy all the instruments. This was one of the worst segments, like I said, ever in the history of wrestling, in the history of Raw.
Starting point is 00:48:00 Now, this boxer, Ryan Garcia, was an upcoming fight for Zoufa boxing, so there's the connection. Okay. People started, like, writing to me, oh, Wayne, I can't wait to hear what Jim says about them using this guy. And I'd never heard of him. God, I haven't either. Well, here's, according to Wikipedia, this is about his expulsion from the WBC. Oh, Christ. On July 4th,
Starting point is 00:48:24 2024, Garcia was expelled by the WBC President Mauricio Suleiman after using racial slurs against black people and disparaging Muslims and comments live streamed on social media. He was also called out on social networks being rumored that he was abusing
Starting point is 00:48:43 illegal substances. Suleiman said Garcia declined multiple attempts by the WBC to help with his mental health and substance abuse. He was reinstated in 2025. A fine representative for the comedy segment of the program, the lightheartedness. In 2024, his ex-wife, Andrea Salina, accused him of breaking into her home and smashing her belongings. Oh, good Lord.
Starting point is 00:49:11 He was arrested for that. Yeah, this is the guy that they're promoting, but that's fine. if you want to say like that's who's boxing. But why the hell are you using him in the middle of angles? And I say in the middle of angles, he came out strongest in this angle. Not judgment day. Oh yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Well, and we haven't actually even finished it yet because I should say that after the guitar smash and record scratch, then Dominic and J.D. McDonough came in and just kicked the shit out of Danhausen and beat up the minis and won the big body slam, the little beaver spot. and then Dominic gave a splash to Danhausen
Starting point is 00:49:51 and as they were trashing the the set that they had had for their concert they knocked the organ over and you saw that it was just a fake fucking keyboard there was nothing under there was no innards it was like fake pipes and a keyboard and a front skirt so that I mean it but you know what I told you earlier Brian you said it went on forever, guess the exact time of this segment from the time that
Starting point is 00:50:20 Joe Hendry and Danhausen first began strumming on the old banjo in the ring to the time that the boxer was standing there holding up the Dominic and J.D.'s Hands. Oh, six minutes. Well, son of a bitch, five minutes and 30 seconds. It felt long. I thought you were going to say 12 or 13. I was going under what I thought it was because there was no way it could have been that long.
Starting point is 00:50:49 But that was pure look. You needed to time this thing with a sundial, not a stopwatch. It just was... So that, from the sublime to the ridiculous, you got... Again, this is who they're promoting. I'm seeing more stuff here. This guy, Garcia, posted on X in 2024. I don't support the LGBT plus, minus, whatever the fuck at all.
Starting point is 00:51:14 fuck you guys rotten hell this is the guy they're putting on TV it's insane it's insane well I just wish he'd make his full thoughts and stance known so that we could know exactly where he what position he's taken on this matter I'm sure this thing wonders to promote his fight
Starting point is 00:51:44 I'm sure so many people saw this and said I really need to see him boxed now Oh, yeah. Well, this made him a hell of a fucking tough guy. As long as guitars are legal for Zufa boxing, then I think he's got this thing well in hand. Bet the farm, ladies and gentlemen, on Ryan Garcia with a guitar shot.
Starting point is 00:52:06 Acoustic or electric? Do you think one of our friends in the fantasy gaming world would be taking any kind of propositions on whether he uses an acoustic or electric guitar to smack his boxing opponent over the head? I think that would be a crazy bet. I mean, if you're going to go for the reaction, the crowd, and the sound and everything,
Starting point is 00:52:28 it has to be the acoustic. An electric guitar works in your head, and it's heavier, but it won't make the... It won't make the old kibong. Yeah, it doesn't give you the oomph. That's right. But I'm thinking somebody may just want to say, I want to take the hardest,
Starting point is 00:52:44 densest object I can and hit this son of a bitch. I don't care whether it sounds good for the people or not. See, he could be one of those guys. But to point is, ladies and gentlemen, regardless of whether you have an acoustic guitar or an electric guitar and you hit somebody over the head with it, it's going to go bong, at least in their brain,
Starting point is 00:53:08 but it's also painful. So a good way to make sounds come into your brain without having to get hit over the head, you see where I'm going with this, Brian, is but just taking these cute little earbuds, these cute little earbuds, and you don't have to put them all over your body. You just got to put them right around your ears
Starting point is 00:53:29 because they're the Racon essential open ear buds. And the open ear design lets you listen to music or podcasts or any other kind of audio that you want to while you still hear traffic or severe weather announcements or people screaming, what's the fuck out whatever's going on around you as you go about your daily life
Starting point is 00:53:51 and if you're at near construction sites you might really want to you might be able to write these some bitches off on your taxes if you're a construction worker because you really do need to watch out for people screaming it's coming but folks one way or another
Starting point is 00:54:08 you won't have to listen to any more concerts featuring Joe Hendry and Dan housing because whenever that comes up again, you can just stick these some bitches in, turn them on, turn them up, and tune everybody else out because it's just the right thing to do, Brian. I agree. I would turn Joe Hendry off every single time. But if you don't want to forget to turn the TV back on, he's become your Grayson Waller.
Starting point is 00:54:38 He's become your Grayson Waller. Now, you'll never give him another chance. Well, you know, it's just, it's the music. It's the music and the endless music And everything's about the smile And the fucking music And no, go work for Vince I don't like this shit
Starting point is 00:54:53 Well, but you know what you do like I like my Raycon I don't like my Raycons I love my Raycon's My entire family is in love with their Raycon earbuds Hold on now We don't want you performing any kind of
Starting point is 00:55:07 Those unsavory acts with your Raycons We want a platonic relationship That is not what I was saying at all Just because they're manufactured to stick into an orifice in your body doesn't mean you have to get all fucking... No one was, this is where you're... Preverted about it. This is what Joe Hendry does to your mind. You think about that big burger contest you had and you start making up crazy stories.
Starting point is 00:55:30 Ladies and gentlemen, they are fantastic... And Jim, they are fantastic earbuds. Loved by all. At least all that we know that have a pair, they love them and we love them and you'll love them. and it's a great deal for all of us lovers, Jim Raycon. Yes, well, there are 3 million people love them because that's how many of the customers they've had. And we have heard from, how about 2.4 million,
Starting point is 00:55:56 taking up a lot of our spare time. The sound quality is just as good as the way more expensive hoity-toity brands. And if you don't like these, they've got a 30-day guarantee. The open-ear design, the lightweight multi-angular hook. the hook that go right around your ear there it adapts to any ear even you know even like Roy Welch could have worn these things
Starting point is 00:56:21 old bag ears all day comfort and awareness you will gain a hider state of awareness once these things are strapped on the side of your head because of these small uranium capsules that are placed within it. That's not why at all it's no it supercharges all your senses so
Starting point is 00:56:41 there are no uranium capsules for the record no uranium your arms will start trembling and and tingling whenever danger approaches but folks again no it won't be happening but you will be alert so you won't I mean yes you'll be alert but I still you know sign over your power of attorney and possibly you know right out a living will just in case anything could happen you could get hit with a fucking bus but
Starting point is 00:57:11 You'll be alert when you're wearing the racons. And the essential open earbuds, they're the perfect back-to-school companion. Let's say the kid's on the bus. They don't want to listen to each other. Give your kids some racons. He won't learn those filthy words from those other ragamuffins
Starting point is 00:57:28 engaging in all kinds of ragamuffin-like behavior, hooligans. Go right now to buy racon, not for hooligans, but for earbuds. It's B-U-Y-R-A-C-O-N.com by Raycon.com slash J-C-E-O-P-E-O-P-E-N. That's how you spell that. You're going to get 20% off so you can plug your kids' ears up before he goes to school and it'll cost you 20% less if you act right now by Raycon.com slash J-C-E-O-O-N-2-5
Starting point is 00:58:07 or just plug your own ears up so you can't hear the, little crumb snatching rug red screaming for mommy, mommy, mommy. See that you can turn off the awareness and you can just hold your hands over your ears while you're wearing the racons. You won't be able to hear all these people screaming at you. Again, hold your ears up high, proud. Hold your ears up. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Hold your ears up. Whoa. Great earbuds. I love them. I said that multiple times today. I'll say it again in the future. I'm beginning to wonder if you're a stalker. There's a lot of love in the air or in the ear, depending on the...
Starting point is 00:58:44 Is this a consensual relationship between you and these earbuds? Of course it is. We all consent to Raycon Love in our ears. This is getting out of control. One last time, Jim, a promo code with a great deal. And they called it Raycon Love by Raycon.com. slash JCEOPEOPEO-20% off. Rake-on.
Starting point is 00:59:13 All righty, Brian. Well, I get what we're going to do this week here on the program. And as far as covering the AEW television situation is, Brian, would I be quoting a famous author if I said it was the best of times, it was the worst of times? Or I could say they went from the outhouse to the penthouse or vice versa. the best five minutes that I have seen on AEW television in I don't know how many months and months,
Starting point is 00:59:49 how many months and years as Nick Doolis would have said? It was contained therein this week and it was wrapped by start to finish again the most indecipherable bunch of gaga that they have gummed up their, main event for Wembley Stadium with with Kenny and Willie and Moxley and all these other fucking, and it just, I know to their fans, I believe I've heard you say, so I'll give you credit for this statement. It doesn't matter about the booking or the television as far as whether it makes sense or not.
Starting point is 01:00:31 They just want to see a bunch of matches. But having said that, wouldn't you try to make it halfway easy to? figure out who the fuck you're supposed to cheer for or what the fuck is going on with any of these people or just give them less time to drone on about it. Yeah, I think you get all of this a whole lot better, all of this with the main event picture right now, which is Osprey, Omega, and Moxley. And I guess Paige. Well, I thought she was gone. No, Adam Page.
Starting point is 01:01:07 Oh, I thought you meant the other one with the dark hair and a tattoo. The former men's world's heavyweight champion. Oh, well, you got to distinguish that because when Adam Page had the title, you needed to. Nobody could tell who the men's and women's champions were. But anyhow, but let's do the compliment sandwich first. Let's talk about what they did right. Did you watch the promo with Willow Nightingale? I did.
Starting point is 01:01:35 this was the best as I said five to seven minutes of AW television that I have seen and I don't know how long the problem was the segment went 15 but we'll get to that but possibly Brian
Starting point is 01:01:51 while I'm rambling on you can find out or you know the answer off top of your head was this her hometown or near her home oh no no no but then there was a segment of people that showed up to support her with signs and all type of,
Starting point is 01:02:10 you know, verbally and with all of the, yay, Willow. And it, but it was contagious that the whole building just, they went, it was like a hometown goddamn hero returning with their conquered spoils or whatever. No, they just like her. She's from Long Island. This was in Detroit.
Starting point is 01:02:32 Well, boy, howdy. but she got a standing ovation or nearabouts big cheers and she was really crying and overcome with emotion which you know is a good thing for the young folks but it was it was organic then apparently
Starting point is 01:02:57 and not only that but they it one of the rare times where they had to stop the start of the interview because people weren't finished fucking cheering somebody yet. And usually that is not happening on this program. And she did a great baby face promo. She thanked her mother for cheering her up when she was out injured.
Starting point is 01:03:23 And she gave her history of all of the, you know, the great things that had happened to her in the last year, but it didn't come off as bragy or obnoxious. She was thrilled by this wonderful serendipitous success that had befallen her. The crowd didn't throw her off sometimes when they would cheer or react or whatever. Sometimes that happens. But she just, she nailed it. And then she had a big go home line that got a big fucking pop. And I wrote great to.
Starting point is 01:04:02 exclamation points. And then Mercedes's music played. But before we go to Part B, just what did you think? Just again, her genuineness, she was really thrilled, but at the same time she did a very well-spoken promo, putting herself over and, you know, nothing negative put the business
Starting point is 01:04:32 over whatever. It was just, it was a moment there. Did you think? Oh, I thought that absolutely. And again, I've always been high on her. I remember when she first came in, I said, early on, she'd be the person if I was WWE, I would raid. I thought she was ready. She would get over big time in front of that audience. She comes across in the ring like she came across in the promo. As someone, it's impossible not to like. And someone you, you want to root for. And I thought this whole thing was tremendous. And, you know, we see a lot of long segments when you see genuine emotion in them. And you could tell. You could just tell. Yeah. It registers. And I thought this was tremendous. And I think if she loses the belt, they're crazy.
Starting point is 01:05:22 And I thought it was crazy to put the belt on her after, I thought Teclo was doing so good. But, man, this was a promo. And she's got the people. And you could. build on that. But again, here comes Mercedes. And I was thinking, it was going so well. And I admit that Mercedes was not as robotic and boring
Starting point is 01:05:46 as normal, but at the same point, she had heat for the first time. Well, she had heat for the first time because the people felt the same way I did. It was going so well with Willow. We like Willow. What the fuck?
Starting point is 01:06:02 Right? And Mercedes wanted her to sign the contract. And Willow signed it, leaning it on Mercedes's chest. And then this segment was laid out to where they didn't fucking, they weren't supposed to get in a fight until the other people came in at the end. But Mercedes pie faced her once pushing her with the fucking contract back and then did it again later on when it. it was, I don't know if that was her ad-libbing. I don't know why that they thought that it was a good idea for her to lay her hands on Willow and Willow at least at, at least not pie face back. But nevertheless, at the point they signed the contract, René Moxley Good left the ring, and they just started their dueling promos. And Willow cut a good promo on Mercedes. and Mercedes
Starting point is 01:07:05 you know but the people the reason why that I say that they were they weren't particularly Mercedes doesn't have that heat as much as Mercedes interrupting Willow had that heat because as soon as she
Starting point is 01:07:20 started talking they just chanted Willow Willow over her promo and then they switched to shut the fuck up which they're not even trying to censor anymore unfortunately she didn't and then they started arguing and yelling
Starting point is 01:07:37 but here came Megan Brain and what's her partner's name Lena Cross Lena Cross and now Willow's fighting them but it's a ring full of streamers and she hit a couple of them and it looked like shit that they didn't sell it
Starting point is 01:07:54 and the one had still had her tiara on and they double chokeslammed Willow and here came the battling bird and made the save. But we went from, even if this had been spread over two weeks, why the fuck was it an emergency to do this? With that promo,
Starting point is 01:08:13 let her end it there on her go-home line and the big pop, and you felt good. And Willow was over. And then you go another 10 fucking minutes with all this other shit and leave her laying in a fucking puddle of her own streamers. were these green fucking giants.
Starting point is 01:08:35 I wonder often if it would make it more tolerable at times. Not that this was bad, I thought this whole thing was good. But if they, instead of having everything be a confrontation, just had, like if Willow did this promo, and it ended. And that was it. And everyone left on a really fucking high note. And then Mercedes came out separately at a later time later in the show. so that you somehow get this thing back out there in front of a crowd that was hot for Willow, I would think that would be more effective.
Starting point is 01:09:08 You could have done everything the same otherwise, except Mercedes was talking shit. The heel was in the ring causing trouble. But instead, everything's just jammed into one thing, and the complaints you have are the repercussions. The repercussions of same. But let's talk about the repercussions, though. because there was only one other thing of any interest on this program, and that was the continuing puzzlement over what the fuck's going on with Will Osprey and Kenny. I mean, we got Periphanie against Maya World for the girls title.
Starting point is 01:09:48 We had a three-way for the national title with Jungle Jack and Nikki Wayne and Andrade. By the way, I was fast forwarding, but I wanted to see if I could understand what I'm, Andrade said, and he didn't say much, but he's tried, they've tried to slow him down. It sounds like a 33 and a third record album being played at fucking 12. But Tony Chavani was interviewed. He said, well, Andre, next week we're going to be in your hometown of Mexico. I heard it. Hey, Hector, tell him in Mexican to get off of him.
Starting point is 01:10:30 we had a six-man tag another title was on the line with commander and moxley they had another six-man tag there was a spot that everyone was going crazy about was all I saw it on Twitter I didn't I didn't watch the match but yes apparently they're fighting on the outside of the ring who could imagine and fucking Moxley just gets up
Starting point is 01:11:02 off the floor and rolls in the ring of his own volition and rolls flat of his back and lays there because commander's going to the top rope and commander gives him a splash off the top. So they just broke up their fight on the floor for Moxley to roll in the ring and lay there in the proper position to get fucking splashed in and he got splashed. How do they think people don't notice things like that when it's like on television and shit? I think they think that they can get away with it with their audience,
Starting point is 01:11:35 that their audience won't care. But to the rest of us, it looks ridiculous. If Moxley hadn't rolled in the ring, Commander would have really fucked himself up because he was already going for that move before Moxley... Yes, he was already on his way to the top rope before Moxley got all the way in the fucking ring. It's just like, okay, I'll meet you there. Awful.
Starting point is 01:12:00 But we're already talked. about the other subject we're going to talk about on dynamite, and that's this trilogy of terror between Moxley and Osprey and Kenny, and they opened the program with the, they were at the pay-per-view. And as last we left our space travelers, ladies and gentlemen, Kenny had beaten Kevin Knight on the pay-per-view, but then Moxley and the Boer Horseman came out and were going to beat the shit out of Osprey and put the, or Kenny rather, and put the chair on his neck and all that stuff.
Starting point is 01:12:41 And Osprey came out and stopped them. Then Moxley tried to get Osprey to put the plastic bag over Kenny's head and Osprey held it, he looked at it, he looked at everybody, you know what, fuck you. And he nailed fucking Moxley after trying to tear and failing to tear the plastic bag in half.
Starting point is 01:13:01 And then he renounced. the death riders and, you know, he's out of the group. He doesn't agree with doing it that way to Kenny. He called him off from injuring Kenny. And then for doing that, Kenny picked him up, gave him the one-wing fairy. That was at the pay-per-view. So now, to open this program, we had a video of Moxley and his guys in the back at the pay-per-view watching what happened in the ring with Kenny and
Starting point is 01:13:33 Osprey. where they're, you know, they were glorifying for the crowd and they were listening to the music like the Doobie brothers. Ed Moxley was there saying, get him, get him, Osprey before he gets you, before he gets you, get him. And then Kenny did get him, proving that the heel was right all along and now has the right to say, I told you so, is for the first time in the history of professional wrestling? Is that the case that the heel was right all along, what he was.
Starting point is 01:14:03 telling the baby face. And I told you so. That was the first thing that struck me right there. Has that logic or reasoning or philosophy or psychology or whatever nom de plume you would like to ascribe to that ever been done before where the heel was proven right over the baby face? The death riders change back and forth between heel and baby face each segment. They were clearly baby faces in this.
Starting point is 01:14:34 But then again, you know, I can't explain. any of the rationale behind any of this. They're getting away with it because their fans want matches. But imagine if the booking of these top stars was good or coherent. Jeez. Well, then we went from that video to the present day on the program out in the back parking lot. And they were in like a Masonic temple in Detroit.
Starting point is 01:15:04 So this didn't look like it looked like all. Also, it was perfect for them because it was an indie movie set where they're behind a fence and a viaduct, a viaduct. And it looks like one of those fucking 80s goddamn movies where the street gangs are facing up with each other. But Will's in the back with Renee. But there's Moxley and all of the henchmen except for Claudio. And they meet up and there's a mean stare with Moxley and Osprey and Osprey. and then Danny Garcia starts to walk up and talk to Will. It Will just fucking knocks the shit out of him back on his ass.
Starting point is 01:15:44 And Pack is going to grab Osprey, but Moxley holds him back. And Moxley gets that goddamn, I don't know, face. It kind of looks like a Basset hound having a stroke. Where he says, are you sure you want to do that? I'm going to shit or burp. I can't decide. Yeah. And then Osprey gives us.
Starting point is 01:16:06 Moxley, the little patch that he gave him the Death Riders patch. Here's your pin. Yeah, it's almost the prom, but no. Here's your pen back. Osprey gave him that back. They exchanged mean looks, and then Osprey
Starting point is 01:16:24 started a walk off. And Renee's going to try to follow him for comments after this 10th scene, but suddenly... Let's stop right there. Just a little detail. Moxley's wife. Yes. His wife is the one running after him after the argument with her husband. It's so crazy.
Starting point is 01:16:44 But anyway, Osprey runs into hang-nail page returns on the program. The problem was he was not on the rest of the program. Is he just hanging around parking lots in substandard neighborhoods in Detroit? What would he be doing there? Did you... Getting a haircut? that he did get a trim we'll give you but so he just it was standing out in the back of the building and they have a long back and forth where page is trying to put him over and say if you need anything
Starting point is 01:17:19 you know let me know and you're the ed but osprey says hey if i found out i couldn't trust Kenny i can't trust them i'm i can't trust you i'm going to do this all on my own and page that went on and on in his usual boring fashion and told, well, you've got this. I believe in you. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:42 And that was it for him on the program. Maybe he was, has he got a job for Ford since he's been off? All right. So then we had a bunch of this other stuff that I mentioned before. And then
Starting point is 01:17:59 I'm not understanding their formatting. I'm really not, because they have, have a two-hour television program and then they always do an overrun. And so now people have, if you watch the program regularly, you've become accustomed to that you'll record if you're DVRing the program after their program. So you get all of their program.
Starting point is 01:18:26 Because you know, that's where if they're going to do something big, they've already excluded just the people that just get DVR the regular show. But now they did a program where the overrun. ran over. So if you recorded the program after the fucking program, you still didn't get all the program. Brad, did this happen to you, or am I the only one? I watched the end of this live, because I watched Impractical Jokers right after it. It was a good episode, too. It was pretty funny. But it did, it was a thing. They did actually go past 10.30 o'clock. I don't remember exactly what time was, but I think so. It went really long. I remember. I remember.
Starting point is 01:19:11 thinking this is it I forget even what the match was but before the was it Moxley was that early whatever the last no it was early no the last six man tag it was the six man tag title yeah and I remember thinking this wow this is like when they have to roll roll roll roll rollie Roderick
Starting point is 01:19:27 Strong and pockets against ricochet and his two stooge's whatever the fuck their names are and that was the main event and that was in the overrun so I went to the overrun so I thought you know I'll just check the overrun in case somebody came out,
Starting point is 01:19:44 did a disembowelment or something. And after that, they went to a break and came back. This is their big main event segment between Kenny and Will, where they're trying to promote their goddamn stadium show, and it didn't even start until quarter after 10. And it overran the overrun. So this is an example of goddamn, Even if there's a story in here somewhere, by the time they get finished,
Starting point is 01:20:19 telling it you've lost it or you don't care. Besides the fact that I think Kenny, it seemed like he went on for 10 minutes to Osprey. In Kenny's voice with the way Kenny talks about how he did what he did to Osprey because he loves him. did you understand why that kitty was gave his finish move to osprey on the pay-per-view otherwise than he loves him and he respects him no it wasn't really coherently explained and everyone loves everyone and everyone wants everyone at their best and that's part of the problem well and then osprey said well my problem was i came back from my neck injury too soon i let the fans down I had no friends
Starting point is 01:21:12 and Moxley saved me Moxley saved me and gave me new life and I liked being a death rider and I'm like what the fuck who are the goddamn heels is the guy that broke my neck saved me
Starting point is 01:21:31 and he's already said I knew he'd turn on me sooner or later but I like the camaraderie or whatever the fun that's what he said I like the camaraderie Yeah, I like the camaraderie. But I don't share their philosophy. So I helped you, I saved you from them doing the same thing to you that they did to me with the chair on the neck and blah, blah, blah. But then Kenny, after this guy admits he liked being in the heel group and he fucking, you know, whatever the fuck, Kenny then says,
Starting point is 01:22:08 I was down and out and it was the most not lurid but florid description of how that all the heels had jumped on him and were pummeling him he used the phrase at one point
Starting point is 01:22:24 gosh darn darn is a thing he said but he was down and out in the ring and he couldn't do anything but he heard the cheers and he knew he knew Will was there and then he still had to wait forever for anybody to help him.
Starting point is 01:22:45 And when finally he was able to look up and clear his sights, he saw you holding the plastic bag and his belt. And he knew, you had thought about doing it, Will. So now this ungrateful son of a bitch, the reason why he dropped him on his head is because he saved him, but he didn't save him fast enough. he held the bag too long he held them he was left holding the bag too long
Starting point is 01:23:13 he had to think about it well at least he goddamn did it he could have just fucking suffocated your goddamn douchebag ass but nevertheless you thought about it and I wrote Jesus fucking Christ this is taken forever and then Kenny slapped him and called him a liar
Starting point is 01:23:33 and he said I thought you were my friend And Osprey said, I was your friend. And then I'll be a son of a bitch if my DVR didn't freeze because it was 10.30 at night, they'd gone 30 minutes over and they still weren't done. So I understand, Brian, that Uncle Dave transcribed the major happenings in this week's publication of the wrestling observer. Can you tell me and anybody else who DVRed this thing to watch, later on, what the fuck?
Starting point is 01:24:11 Did somebody one-wing fucking hidden angel blade somebody or what happened? No, none of that happened just kind of ended with what will happen next. Here's what Dave wrote. Well, Dave really recap the whole thing.
Starting point is 01:24:27 And I'm sure it was a lengthy recap. Omega said he didn't enter the Owen Hart Cup because he wanted Ospre to win it. But he said when Osprey said that it sucks, that he gave up on himself, you have no idea how deeply that cut me. He said he gave him plenty of warnings
Starting point is 01:24:43 about the Death Riders and Moxley in particular. He said it blew up in Osprey's face. But it didn't. Right? Osprey chose. They didn't beat up Osprey. It didn't blow up in his face at all, really, with them. I don't.
Starting point is 01:24:57 I'm, and Dave's grammar, but continue. Osprey said that he came back too early from neck surgery. He said he wasn't fully ready, but he wanted revenge on Moxley so bad, and he lost. That he ended up joining forces with him so Moxley can smart him up and teach him what to do. He said about the death riders, he loved the camaraderie, and I love the training. He says it goes from heat a eye at the same side.
Starting point is 01:25:23 He said it was like Japan when he would go from town to town and had buddies watching his back. But he said he didn't share their philosophy. What did he just, did he just roam the country of Japan with a group of thugs? the other touring wrestlers Omega said You're wondering why I took you out I saw you with the plastic bag You thought about doing it
Starting point is 01:25:49 To me before you decided against it But you arrived late And that you want me to thank you for saving me When it was all a trap you set up in the first place Osprey said it wasn't a trap Omega slapped him and called him alive Omega slapped him to call him a liar. Omega said,
Starting point is 01:26:12 I thought you were my friend. He said the reason it took Osprey so long to help him is because he was thinking of doing it himself, but you weren't able to. Omega slapped him some more. Some more. He said that every time... He slapped me. He slapped me again.
Starting point is 01:26:31 He said that every time that Osprey is put in a pressure cooker, he crumbles, and that he was always better than Osprey. Things in a pressure cooker don't crumble. No. They're wet and steam expands. They more explode rather than crumble. I mean, it may be soft. But anyway, he kept slapping Osprey, and the crowd reacted to every slap.
Starting point is 01:26:54 I'm sure they did. Omega said that you'll always be a step behind. Osprey decked him and went for the hidden blade, but Omega backed off. Osprey said That no matter how much I love you And that you're my hero You put your hands on me again And I'll beat the shit out of you
Starting point is 01:27:16 Osprey said that he came to AEW When Omega was out And that every week he flew from the UK to the US To prove That AEW was where the best wrestle Since Omega wasn't there He said that he's earned his spot To challenge for the title
Starting point is 01:27:34 gave his neck to challenge. This is all in the overrun now, by the way. I didn't hear any of this yet. That's right. Gave his neck to challenge for the title, and I'm standing before the biggest moment of my career. He said he's looking at a mountain he wanted to climb for 10 years. He said that winners want the ball.
Starting point is 01:27:55 The ace wants the ball. The 90 minutes are up. Overtime is over. And we're into penalty kicks, and it's my time to kick. and it's my time to kick the ball. What the goddamn, and rounding the turn,
Starting point is 01:28:09 it's beetle bomb. He said England wasn't, he said England wasn't built in a Dave and his promo's taken longer. He said England wasn't good at penalty kicks, and they are asking if I could pull the trigger. You're damn right I could pull the trigger. I'm not going to let Moxley keep you from being your best.
Starting point is 01:28:30 I want the best versus the best. I'm going to pull that trigger when it matters, and when I pull that trigger, you're going to see it coming. Jesus Christ, we certainly heard it coming. Oh, well, so there's ill will there. Who side are you on? Which of these ungrateful, smarmy pricks do you give a shit about winning? I'm starting to think maybe it's Dave's writing that caused Vince to insist on pronouns
Starting point is 01:29:01 because that was all over the place. I don't know, Omega's clearly the heel now. even though part of the story was Osprey having to get past his mentor, who went through so much to get the belt, and then Omega turns heel right before the fucking... Two weeks ago, it was the other way around. Osprey was with the Death Riders, and Kenny was kissing babies.
Starting point is 01:29:26 You didn't even talk about the ridiculous outdoor death riders promo before the main thing. I think, I don't believe I saw that. It's the usual thing where they all just stand there waiting for their turn to say they're memorized thing, and Daniel Garcia is the least convincing promo in professional wrestling. He should never be allowed on the mic again. And his competition is we were Yuda, the guy who went right before him. Marina is better on the mic, and she doesn't talk. And English is her second language from what I can tell when she has. Now, I will give
Starting point is 01:29:59 them some credit, whether it's the Omega Osprey main event, which I do think to their fan base is probably as big a match as you could present for like, you know, that style. It's like the ultimate of that style. They've sold more tickets. They've actually had a really nice little run of ticket sales. They've had a lot of discounts, but they're still going to have people in the building.
Starting point is 01:30:22 Well, and do we know, and I don't mean to go off on a tangent here, but with this or with SummerSlam, with the sudden increase in ticket sales, do we know? well, I say tickets distributed, that's my question. Especially with the WWE, because they jumped ridiculously with no major reason for it. Are these tickets being distributed or are they being sold, is the question?
Starting point is 01:30:50 Distributed, we don't know what's sold and what isn't. And that would be a great strategy. Tony has so much money he could do anything. And some of this could be a tax write off. Like Survivor Series, Tony should buy up all the tickets. and they just hold them. Just a fucking sunk cost. I spent all that money
Starting point is 01:31:09 and have an empty building for Survivor Series. Wouldn't that be funny? Oh, my God. There may be something wrong with that. Like Terry Funk had that idea. He pitched to Jerry Jarrett. Let's just book all the major buildings and all the guys' territories in the country
Starting point is 01:31:24 for Thanksgiving night when they want to have their big show and then they'll have to rent their buildings from us. And Jerry said, Terry? What if they just decide fuck those guys, and they don't run Thanksgiving night? Then we got to run a show at every goddamn building in the country. Maybe not.
Starting point is 01:31:45 But anyway, that's what's going on there. But there was one other thing about the pay-per-view that we had heard, Brian was going to have the AEW pay-per-view, that is. We had heard was going to happen, and they were going to have some kind of, because they were in Montreal, celebration of the life's, of or tribute to the Rugeot family, Jacques Sr. and Jacques Jr. and Raymond and the whole Rujo gang all the way up to Eddie Auger, Armand, Philippe, all them fellows. And we didn't see Hidner hair of anything
Starting point is 01:32:28 Rugeot related, at least I didn't, and you didn't mention it, on the paper view. And we didn't think of it. And apparently they did, they were going to have something, they tried to have something, something didn't work out. What is the story here on the tribute to the
Starting point is 01:32:47 marvelous rujos, or ravishing rouges or whatever the fucking rouges were? They were the fabulous rujos and it's more than just the tag team, it's the whole family. I did not see this. I usually get to catch a lot of the pre-show. I didn't this time. So I didn't know this aired.
Starting point is 01:33:03 and we heard they were doing something in Montreal. Now, I do have to say, we've been hearing stories about Jacques Rugeot for a little while. We've not really talked about it. But it's not like we'd be inventing the stories. They've been reported on. They've been talked about. I know they've been in The Observer,
Starting point is 01:33:21 where there's been just incidents with Jacques Rugeot where he tried to have like some kind of, I don't even know what it had. Was it a shoot that went wrong? Was it him and Davy Boy Smith Jr. had an incident and him and Dynamite my kids' children were going to do something
Starting point is 01:33:37 and then they pulled out and he's feuding with Hannibal like just all this like weird weird shit going on around them we've heard reports it sounded grim there so we should clarify that there are various incidents
Starting point is 01:33:51 of unusual and or aggressive behavior here's what Dave Meltzer wrote strange stuff happened from the start of the show. The idea was to make the pre-show mostly hype with one match instead of the usual three or four, but having a Rugeot family ceremony, which I don't think does anything to
Starting point is 01:34:15 hype the pay-per-view, but... Certainly, the Rujot family is deserving. This was the 80th anniversary of the family in pro wrestling, dating back to Eddie Auger debuting in 1946. Auger is the uncle of Johnny Rugeot, probably the third biggest. star in Montreal history behind Ivan Robert and Edward Carpontier, although you could strongly argue that Jean Farre, Andre the Giant, is in a top three spot.
Starting point is 01:34:46 Anyway, let me fast forward a little bit here. I was about to say, let's get to the happenings at hand. Jacques Sons, Raymond, Jacques Jr. Armand, and daughter Joanne, who was the local W.W.E. promoter for a long time, were all names on the local scene, and Jacques's son Cedric and John Jock
Starting point is 01:35:05 We're working on the show That's what his name is here Anyway, this part was confirmed The reason the ceremony didn't even have a video Is because Jock told AEW he'd take care of that He gave them a video to play Unfortunately, the video was too long Had footage that AEW didn't have rights to
Starting point is 01:35:28 music that AEW didn't have rights to and some AI stuff in it that AEW didn't want to use Oh my God There was no way it could be used And now it's the day of the show with no time to do anything else So there was no video Multiple sources said Jock was throwing a tantrum backstage over that He was told by one AEW official to calm down
Starting point is 01:35:54 Or they'd have to kick him out Oh, good Lord. So let's stop here for a second. So are we going to have to kick you out before we do the ceremony to honor you? You have that video you promised to here it is. We can't use this. Ah, we're going to kick you out of here. Just the whole process of it happens.
Starting point is 01:36:13 I bet you he gave him a bunch of shit of him into WWF on a video. And who knows if he had somebody do a music video set to, I don't know, Celine Dion or who's on top in Canada these days. But, and I can see, what do you mean? You can't play? Oh, come on. It's just play it in the dark, afforded the building. I sound like Paterson now instead of Jacques Rousseau.
Starting point is 01:36:43 Armand Rugeot, the brother of Jacques and Raymond, who was a star in Montreal but not as big as his brothers and not outside of the area, was invited but declined. Joanne said that she was never invited. Oh, Raymond. I think she was the nicest one of the bunch of them. Raymond, who is the mayor of Raw Don Quebec since 2021. Wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:37:06 Raymond Rougeau is the mayor of Raw Dog Quebec. Raw Don, not raw dog. Oh, I'm so, well, I did. What would think they could do something or some kind of salve or liniment for Don there then, if he's raw? He attended for a time he and Jacques weren't on speaking terms, but after their father died, they have been doing appearances together. So the segment started. Raymond spoke for a long time in French.
Starting point is 01:37:31 There was no translation. He thanked the fans and talked a little about the family legacy, naming every member of the Rugeot family, including Eddie Auger, Johnny, his dad, his brother Armand, and Jock's children, not by name, but as Jock's children. I can't remember. There's so many names running through my head by Jacques's kids. You know, you know, they are.
Starting point is 01:37:58 He didn't mention Joanne, but he did mention her in interviews he did to promote the event. Jock started talking and was booed heavily. While Jock is very well known in town because of the family and his long tenure as a local wrestling celebrity in a market where wrestling is more mainstream than most North American cities, he's also developed a bad reputation, particularly in the areas. Wrestling World. There was just a recent incident we covered not that many weeks ago, but there are local stories like that going back decades.
Starting point is 01:38:34 He's done so many retirement matches that local media doesn't trust him. Many area independent wrestlers want nothing to do with shows he's involved with. He didn't talk about the family or history. He then told the fans they can kiss his ass.
Starting point is 01:38:52 Wait. Family honoring ceremony. He closes with Tel-in-fass and kisses. Some watching this thought that Jacques was being a great heel. This was anything but. He then called the fans haters. It finished with a series.
Starting point is 01:39:23 segment where Rocky Romero came out and Jacques slapped him and Raymond kicked him. Matt Menard who introduced the brothers along with Jacques, clotheslined Romero out of the ring, which did get a pop. Jacques later in local media claimed it was less
Starting point is 01:39:39 than 100 people booing him, but he was able to turn the crowd to where they all cheered him. All right, so that's what we missed. Jacques Rougeau. And again, I've always heard different stories from different people.
Starting point is 01:39:56 People who worked with them in southeastern and in Memphis. No one ever said he was evil, but there were always maturity issues, I guess, would be the... Yes, and or just a streak of saying just outright things to people
Starting point is 01:40:12 that were going to piss them off in an aloof type of arrogance that the French... The people from French Canada often have. There was some story where, on some Southeastern show, I think it was southeastern. I'm pretty sure it was.
Starting point is 01:40:27 I don't know who booked them and I don't know what the specific heat was, but Joe Loduke like smacked them around the ring. And obviously this, whatever the stories are from Canada because of the different sides. Well, yeah, from Montreal. Yeah, but you know,
Starting point is 01:40:39 the story was Jock came to the locker room really upset, like crying upset. Yeah, yeah, that's lucky. It was lucky he was conscious to be able to cry. I can't imagine if Joe Ladoek was upset with somebody, of what could have occurred. Just that would have scared that shit out of me.
Starting point is 01:40:58 But again, there have been multiple retirement matches like that thing just said. You know, we just talked about in the 1994 list segments, Pierre, the Quebecer, and you can question what advice he was getting from Jacques Rougeau at different times. Yeah, exactly. And how it affected his career.
Starting point is 01:41:17 And that was, it was Hogan that they believe because Pierre wouldn't put Hogan over it, Montreal. Remember? That's what it was a bitch about. And some people were thinking that Jacques had told him, no, Bigger Boy, whatever. I have a tweet here from wrestling historian and reporter
Starting point is 01:41:35 Pat LaProd, has a lot of credibility, from Montreal. For those who think Jacques Rojo got a heel reaction to Montreal, that wasn't the case. He was legitimately being booed. He tried to save face with his comeback, but when you're being honored at your
Starting point is 01:41:50 hometown, But when you're being honored in your hometown, calling out your haters and telling them to kiss your ass isn't supposed to happen. More and more fans are simply seeing him for who he really is. It's his hometown. Just imagine anyone in their hometown to getting a big ceremony and he's not fighting. Well, they know. We know him better than anybody, folks. Well, maybe that's part of the reason, Brian.
Starting point is 01:42:20 Why? Because we said, boy, that crowd in Montreal. all, they were, I mean, it was like a morgue in there in some places. They were quiet. They didn't give a shit. They just popped on the breaking of the furniture, but maybe they'd already gotten a sour mood from thinking about the Rougeos in the pre-match ceremony. Could that have been part of what contributed to the lack of caring of the crowd, along with
Starting point is 01:42:49 the shitty matches? I don't know. I feel like that would almost energize you. more. Like, oh yeah, we get to boo this asshole. Yeah, but then you got to sit through five more hours of shit and you're already pissed off and want to like go home and have a drink. But nevertheless. He just came out of retirement. He just came out of retirement again like a month and a half ago and it was a major incident to that show. It's just he's the Canadian Alberto del Rio at this point. Not that he's hurting
Starting point is 01:43:17 anyone, but it's just every time he appears anywhere, there's a story and an incident with multiple people backing it up. So I guess that's what I'm saying. Darkside should do an episode on him. Well, let's wait to see. The sun may still be setting. Let's see how dark it gets. There still may be time before the dawn.
Starting point is 01:43:40 But since the crowd was kind of dreary, Brian, there in Montreal for the, what was the pay-per-view was? Redemption. Redemption. The crowd was a little dreary, a little unmotivated. They'd sit long time through a lot of blazze shit.
Starting point is 01:43:57 I'm hearing both that the pay-per-view numbers may have been a little lower than normal this time around, but also you're the custodian of this information you're about to tell us, but one would have to think that if there was ever a point that Uncle Dave would come down to reality with his magic tinkerbell wand that gives out all the stars, like fairy dust, he's got to have to come down to earth on some of this because there was some dog matches and people just sitting there staring at shit on this program. Certainly he's come down to the realm of reason a little bit more in this particular instance. Yeah, we'll see about that.
Starting point is 01:44:44 And again, just like you said, we've heard that the pay-per-view numbers were down. There have been a few down pay-per-views this year. but coincidentally, they're all 140,000 buys. Well, we haven't got a number on this one yet that matches that, but I'm thinking they got to, even if it's just all fictitious, they got to throw a bone at some point to credibility and say, yeah, we were down 20,000. If they're making all this up, they've got to admit this would have to have been
Starting point is 01:45:10 the one you would skip. Well, let's get these star ratings here. This is from the pre-show. We did not see this. Orange Cassidy, Roger Strung, And Kyle O'Reilly defeated Jay Lethal, Blake Christian, and Lee Johnson, 1153, three and a quarter stars. Well, I'm sure it was.
Starting point is 01:45:33 Bless all those fine folks. Jim, in a ladder match for the top contender spot for the international title, Mike Bailey defeated Nick Wayne, El Cohn, Commander, Jack Perry, and Beast Mortos. 20 minutes, one second, four and a half stars. And remember we did see that, and that was the indie fellows at their absolute worst coming up with everything they could think of to do to the human body.
Starting point is 01:46:07 So of course, Dave is going to rate that highly. Yeah, that was pretty much scrambled eggs. Jim, the Young Bucks defeated Will Osprey and John Moxley, 19 minutes 36 seconds five star match what five star match well it's
Starting point is 01:46:30 it's two of his best friends and protegees financiers fiances whatever the fuck it's two of them it's moxley who he apparently just doesn't want to offend because he's really scared of him
Starting point is 01:46:46 I guess I don't know whilst you would praise this moping clobing and the next darling of the company. So I guess does he have to cover all of his bases? Or that was just better than all but a handful of matches in the rich history of wrestling. So there was some great no-selling in that match, some great implausible kickouts.
Starting point is 01:47:11 It's everything Dave loves, lots of flips. Jim Kyle Fletcher defeated Bandito, 26 minutes, 15 seconds to retain the international title Nearly a half... You know, that's longer than a half an hour television program
Starting point is 01:47:27 without the commercial breaks is. He had that one match. Five star match. Holy car. All right. This was the match of the night and a legit match of the year contender. These are two of the five best wrestlers in the ring in the world today.
Starting point is 01:47:45 Oh, my God. And both had among their best performances. The only negative... Not only Kyle, but Bandito groups in this. He's top five. The only negative is that they were so
Starting point is 01:47:56 intent on having this killer match that they crossed over into things like the skull-on-scull headbutts that just don't need to be done. The match was off the charts without them, and the idea is to shock people into taking it to another level when your goal is so high.
Starting point is 01:48:16 I think the one... He's just going off on his hypothesis here, but... Yeah, skip over the next paragraph or two. They might be a little sticky. Let's get to the next one here, Jim. Clark Connors and David Finley defeated Jay White and Juice Robinson in a double chain match. Okay, now here we go. I mean, this thing, the fans brought the tickets back that they bought last time for a refund.
Starting point is 01:48:42 This was so bad. 17 minutes. 35 seconds. seconds, two and three quarter stars. On the old scale, that was just a notch under really good, better than we expected. Well, that's not wrong. I mean, it was, I'd probably get one star, maybe. Yeah, it was dreary.
Starting point is 01:49:09 Maya World defeated Hikaru Shita to win the TBS title, 16 minutes, 34 seconds, two and a quarter stars. good Lord if it was worse than the chain match I'm surprised that someone wasn't picked up for some kind of local criminal ordinance fucking violation Adam Copeland and Christian Cage retained the AEW tag titles over Pac and Claudio Castignoli 18 minutes 35 seconds 4 and a quarter stars
Starting point is 01:49:41 The pain member I have no comment The pain maker pinned Tomaso Champa in a no rules match 21 minutes 57 seconds Now hold on one second Just hold it
Starting point is 01:49:58 Pump the brakes there And you know I've realized one thing The one Overused Of the many overused things That AEW does on all their big shows Or all their shows for that matter There wasn't a lot of furniture
Starting point is 01:50:15 And there wasn't a lot of blood before the for once before the anything goes no rules whatever the fuck with old pain maker and Jericho's got the pool
Starting point is 01:50:29 with Tony I guarantee you he went in there and said look at here if I'm going to be fucking cutting my head and taking all these goofy bumps in this fucking match
Starting point is 01:50:40 with furniture and shit then there better not be a human sacrifice in a third match before I go out there and do it or elsewise they would have, in addition to these match links, they would have gone to all the other extremes as well. I bet you.
Starting point is 01:50:55 But in this case, the finish, let me remind everybody, was fucking the pain maker taking a goddamn power drill and drilling Tomaso Champa in the head with it. So one would think that that would, reflect accordingly in Dave Meltzer's critique or scoring of this match the same way as if a guy in a UFC fight
Starting point is 01:51:27 suddenly reached out and grabbed the power drill from off the press table and started drilling a motherfucker in the head. Would he say well it was a great fight but the you know the power drill was unnecessary or something like that or would he say this is just fucking ridiculous and not in any way what does sport or business is supposed to be about.
Starting point is 01:51:51 So Brian now tell us what the stars were. Once again, the painmaker penned to Moso Champa, no rules, 21 minutes, 57 seconds, four and a quarter stars. This gets one of the, I'm not a fan of this stuff, but it was a great match. No mention of the power drill. Jericho used an elbow pad with tacks on it and used a Judas effect with it, got the drill, and started using it to chomp his head, and he submitted, I think the drill to the head may be going too far. Four star.
Starting point is 01:52:34 Period. I think the drill to the head may be. I think the mass murder of, you know, thousands of people in that atomic explosion may have been going a bit too. I got to read this real quick. A very weird segment took place. Mick Foley was interviewing the Divine Dominion. Then he started barking like a dog. I have no idea where they were going with this.
Starting point is 01:53:05 Foley later explained that he misheard them. They did say for him to bow down, and he said he thought they said for him to say bow wow. Whatever it was, this was quite all. Actually, even if that was supposed to be the impression of people were given, he actually repeated the words bowed down first before he. So he kind of blew it anyway, but go ahead. All right.
Starting point is 01:53:29 Andrade defeated Mark Davis to win the national title, 16 minutes, 13 seconds, four-star match. Oh, like, okay, so now Andrade and fucking, what you call it, Johnny Doyle is, this is Flair and Steamboat. Well, much like Flair, Andrade came out with a bunch of women. But let's move on here with the card. How you know! Well, O' Nightingale, defeated Tecla to win the AEW women's title, 15 minutes, 58 seconds, 3 and 3 quarter stars.
Starting point is 01:54:07 Almost flare and steamboat. And finally, Jim, Kenny Omega, pin Kevin Knight to retain the AEW title 24 minutes, 155. 58 seconds on and on and on. Four and three quarter stars. As good as five. We can't. We can't leave Kenny out. But, you know, if he'd have had a more experienced opponent,
Starting point is 01:54:32 he would have got five stars. It's all Kevin Knight's fault. I mean, he can't, it doesn't matter if they're in a barn with an audience of chickens and pigs. And it doesn't matter whether the shit makes any sense or not or it has any credibility. If there's just a lot of it, he loves it. That's Dave's abiding principle, I guess. Well, he loved it.
Starting point is 01:55:10 For a show that he wasn't crazy about, he really loved it. Yeah, I'd hate to see what happens for the ones that he really likes. Fortunately, he wasn't there live for this one, was. he. No. Because after... He graded it very differently, obviously. Well, after, I'm just thinking after that one match,
Starting point is 01:55:27 he wouldn't have been able to stand up straight for 20 minutes without being embarrassed. Tokyo Dome tent pants? The Tokyo Dome Tent Pants. That's what they call it around Campbell by the Sea, California. Where's that old guy with those Tokyo Dome Tentpole pants going on? Hey, you know what the thing is. I'll tell you what the thing is. Nobody's getting enough.
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Starting point is 02:02:01 What's that promo code? Factormeals.com slash JCP50 off. Factor! All right. Well, at this point, I think we should talk. about the episode this past week of Dark Side of the Ring. They're back in at least the real wrestling business after a journey through hysteria last week with Necro butcher and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 02:02:27 But this week was the big boss man, Big Bubba Rogers, Ray Trailer. And everybody knows I was going to like this one, regardless of how it came out, just because it's acknowledging Bubba. And as I've said, he's one of the guys that has not been featured on the biographies and the endless documentaries where they rehash a lot of the same people. Bubba hadn't had that treatment. And also, to be honest with you, I thought his daughter Lacey was the star of this show. She's smart. She's been through a lot of shit with her, obviously her dad dying so young.
Starting point is 02:03:08 But she's got her shit together. and she was, I thought, a big addition to this program. But before I rave about it and tell us just some of the things, not that I didn't like, but that I was just hated that had to be left out. But you're usually negative Nancy, but this one was a tearjerker in a variety of ways. It was. Obviously, I like the subject. On a high note, I'll say that I thought, like you,
Starting point is 02:03:36 I thought his daughter came across great. I know some people may have not been used to the accent on his wife, his widow, but I thought she was pretty good here too. You were also great. And I think in a way, they didn't need any of the other voices that were briefly there, like Jacques Rousseau dressed like the Mountie. We got to mention, because we were talking about Jacques earlier in the program, and he wore his Mountie vest for the, because they got comments from him based on the
Starting point is 02:04:08 Mountie versus Bossman was a thing and but he I understand he's taking at least some good natured ribbing from some people over wearing the the Mountie vest but yeah some of you know there was a few Nick Patrick was good I thought I thought he was good too that is true
Starting point is 02:04:27 Al Snow was in it because of the dog angle so that you know boy that voice what happened to his voice what did he know he he did that to his voice from what I understand, from what he told me, he got COVID, and that's the result that I can't remember is, there's a medical name for,
Starting point is 02:04:50 it's his vocal cords, a dysphonia or whatever, but yeah, he's been like that for at least the past, he was that way three years ago when I recorded that, recorded that, when I was in the movie, we shot the movie, and he was at the premiere and sounded the same way.
Starting point is 02:05:10 Yeah, and he looked the same. But nevertheless. My point was all of a sudden when he became a different person, his voice changed. He got that McMahon voice change. I don't know what happened. My complaints, like I said, would be obviously in terms of timeline and terms of telling the story, it was brief and quick, skip stuff and just kind of rushed to the dark side. And I know that's their show, so it's hard to make that a complaint.
Starting point is 02:05:33 But that's my only thing I thought that. The idea of a biography of Big Bubba or a documentary, that's great, and that'd be great. The way they've done them lately, that'd be great. But I feel like this focuses so much on the negative that it almost makes it the overriding thing, and that bothered me. Well, and I think, because he was, you know, pretty much by the last 15 minutes, you know, the story was over. but I think that's because they had so much good stuff from Lacey and from Angie that, you know, in the memorabilia and they focused so much on the family story. But again, we're 45 minutes plus commercials. And that's the thing, you know me, I could have seen an hour and a half or more on Big Bubba Rogers at the start of it and the earlier story.
Starting point is 02:06:23 Because people who listen to this show, no, I'm not going to tell the whole story again of Ray Trailer came to do jobs and took the start of, slingshot suplex and Dusty's, I'm going to get a gimmick for the guy, blah, blah, blah. But it skipped over so much of what made Bubba special talent in that he did, it was such a quick rise. Think about this, 12 months after he first appeared on TBS in those awful tights doing jobs as Ray Trailer, he was a main event against Dusty, roads into Pittsburgh Civic Arena when they set the all-time record crowd and gate for that building for wrestling.
Starting point is 02:07:09 Not only a WWF building for years, but a Bruno Samertino's hometown, that was maybe him and Nikita Koloff, maybe, were the quickest rises from complete unknown to main event status and legitimately drawing money of anybody. the 80s and think of how many hot talents there were in the 80s. So I, you know, I think more of that would have been preferable at the same time. You could have gone on forever with all the footage and stuff that, you know, this is available. But, and it was a true story that Angie told that he had to, he still kept the guard job at Cobb County when he started wrestling, even when he had.
Starting point is 02:08:01 he got the Bubba gimmick. Yeah, for how long? That's what was it made clear. How long did he have both? Well, not long because once he got started getting booked and he was on the road with us, he would have had to gone in and asked for, I need three weeks off. But for the, you know, first, you know, for like the weekend to go up and do jobs. And then when he first, they told him, okay, come to Greenwood, South Carolina wearing a suit. And the initial couple of weeks on TV before he, you know, got started getting booked all the time. He was still doing both.
Starting point is 02:08:35 But then he just, you know, he couldn't. Yeah, I got to go to, you know, eight different shows next week. I can come back to work in three weeks for maybe a day and a half. And, but that's, you know, that's a thing. And Angie talked about how, and obviously the reason why he left Crockett and that, you know, was next on the show, was. because not only was he, had he gotten attention and everybody knew that Hogan was looking for big opponents, but that Starcade 87 payoff, yes, Dusty had, he had created the gimmick
Starting point is 02:09:16 and he had put him in a spot with us where we all made good money. Bubba made at least a couple of grand, because I made two grand for that Pittsburgh show alone. but Bubba was starting from square one, whereas Bobby and Dennis and I had been, we'd made money in Louisiana, we'd done okay in Dallas, but Crocket was already taken care of us and we had started the big run with the rock and roll. So Bubba for the first year and a half, by the time that they put him with us, then they sent him to Kansas City for a while, where the money was miserable. Then he came back to us, but then he'd Dusty sent him to Louisiana.
Starting point is 02:09:55 he was pushing him. He was made him the UWF champion. Yeah, universal champion. But all those towns were down. So his, the first two years, his pay went way up and then way down and way up and then way down.
Starting point is 02:10:11 And then finally with that Starcade thing, when he got the WWF spot, that was the thing. That's when I told the story on the show here. He called me up after the first week with Hogan. Jimmy? In that voice, guess how much money I made? 12 grand last week.
Starting point is 02:10:27 And that was, you know, that was just the beginning. By the time he got into it and the merchandise and etc., that was Angie's comment. One of his paychecks was as much as he would have made a year as a guard in Cobb County. So, but anyway, they showed the superplex off the top of the cage. And did you notice what nobody remembers? They remember the spot. but just in a vacuum because it was so memorable two guys that size
Starting point is 02:10:59 in those old hard rings on that blue cage doing a superplex but the tape shows they sold it forever even Hogan sold it like he was dead to get it over so people would remember it which is the reason why nobody remembers it if it happens today because it happens all the time and everybody gets back up but there was the
Starting point is 02:11:25 not just boss man but the biggest star in the wrestling business gave a move and sold it like he was dead and Gerald Briscoe was always great he did a good job in this but then they covered the baby face WWF run rather quickly and talked about you know
Starting point is 02:11:47 the level of star that he was and the talk shows and etc but it's just I guess it was so much it just kept going. I don't know. There was a way to do it without it just being like nonstop. And then he did this.
Starting point is 02:12:00 He did this. He turned baby face, but it doesn't say like any of the reasons. It just kept moving and clips were out of order. It was just, it was driving me a little crazy. Well,
Starting point is 02:12:13 and that's not a drive. That's a short putt. But nevertheless, he went to WCW. Yes. I just, I mean, again, the whole idea, end of 92 he's working nails
Starting point is 02:12:26 which was a pretty big program all things considered they created a convict to come after the boss man convict beat up Vince McMahon and threw everything for a loop but they're jobbing him out by the beginning of 93 and he's gone you know I mean they said here it was just because
Starting point is 02:12:43 he can make the same amount of money in WCW work half the dates could he make the same money in WCW well all of these things can be true what they glossed over was he left and and I did talk about this in the sit downs but again I was I sat down for three hours to tell him how great he was they couldn't use all of me but Bubba I believe I've told his story on the on the podcast here before he had told me when he came to work for me and Smoky Mountain because he left the WWF in whatever it was early 93 he was convinced that Vince was going to go to jail
Starting point is 02:13:24 for the steroid thing and the company was going to be fucked without Vince around and he's got the gimmick of law order and justice and so that's when when he quit he went to Japan at least once I don't know maybe a couple of times that's right we're for giant bomb all Japan
Starting point is 02:13:41 yeah and he came up made some shots for me in Smoky Mountain with Kevin Sullivan and then the WCWCW offer came and that was I don't know the exact amounts but with the contracts they were giving out the fact that he'd have to work half as many dates
Starting point is 02:14:04 and they were based in Atlanta for so many of the TVs when his family he already lived there he was from there if you factored in the difference in expenses he was making more money in WCW than he was as the big boss man back of the days before Vince was handing out guarantees. But the problem was it took, and I'll go into more detail on this, which I did again, you know, cut for time, but it took him out of the picture of being a big wrestling star
Starting point is 02:14:38 when he had, he'd been a big wrestling star from 1986 under one of his two names until 1993. a main event guy pretty much all the time until you know Vince phased him out and then in WCW they couldn't use the boss man gimmick but instead of going back to full-fledged big Bubba Rogers the same gimmick same presentation which had he had been a main event guy in the same company five years previously six years previously whatever they just just just they played off the law enforcement thing. He was the boss with a fake badge, but then that was too similar to the boss man
Starting point is 02:15:25 and the law enforcement thing. So then I can't remember in order of what everything was, but he was a guardian angel for fuck's sake. Yeah, that was, I think, next, but they put him all out of order. They showed him during the Nitro period, then they showed him there.
Starting point is 02:15:38 They also said that, you know, WCW was just hiring all these WWE. This was before that. This was 93. This doesn't count towards that. But that's the thing. Whether the gimmicks were out of order or not, it didn't matter because they didn't make any sense anyway when they did it.
Starting point is 02:15:53 And that's the point is between he was Ray Trailer, he went back to Big Bubba for a while, but with a different look, he was the guardian angel, he was the boss. In that mess that was the booking at the time and the transition from that rotten era they were into the Bischoff attitude, Monday Night Wars era, it was just a wasteland.
Starting point is 02:16:19 And it took him out of being a recognizable main event star for about four good years there. So when he went back to the WWF, they repriezed the big boss man and gave him an updated look. And he was still working at a high level and he was still over. But he didn't have the momentum a lot of guys had that, you know, because he didn't. been floundering that time. He wasn't as over with the people as he would have been if he'd been consistently used. And then they talked about the spot he missed at the Survivor Series, and I don't think Gerald was necessarily being overly dramatic when he said that after he missed the run-in
Starting point is 02:17:04 and something Vince was involved in directly, that his push slowed down and petered out, and they started doing all the goofy shit with him. I wonder also if some of it may have been due to the pill issue that he was starting to have because of the things we'll go into a minute in a minute. But he got up that far. He was Vince's bodyguard. They were using him. They'd figured in the main event scene and we should have gotten Austin and Bossman.
Starting point is 02:17:39 and then within months he's eating dogs and stealing dead bodies. Yeah, he was a part of the corporation when they were at their peak. And then they started putting him in embarrassing angles that they were embarrassing at the time. I know some people really liked them, but some people have come around, but they were embarrassing at the time and they're embarrassing now. Well, some people remember their younger days fondly, but if you sat down and watched it today, you would say, oh, God damn. I like that.
Starting point is 02:18:14 But that's, you know, that's the thing. And it wasn't like Bubba to miss a spot. That's why I'm thinking maybe something was going on because it wasn't, you know, this was the last few years of his life. But talking to Undertaker in the back over their match and missing the run in when you're involved with something with Steve Austin and Vince McMahon was probably not the best thing. And that's the point that I made in this. and I'll try to make it more strongly.
Starting point is 02:18:43 It really, it galls me that as good a performer as he was from a very early point, as nice of a guy as he was and as hardworking as an employee, the whole nine yards. But as good of a talent that he was under two different gimmicks and the record of tendencies he set in whole nine yards, the fact that so many people remember him for a a couple or three at least of the worst moments in wrestling in the history of the attitude era when everybody was watching i just i that disappoints me if nothing else the whether he got getting hung by the neck uh in the helen cell with the undertaker or stealing owl snow's dog and feeding it to him because you know somebody told him about
Starting point is 02:19:36 Fuji's old rib or dragging big show's father's casket out of the goddamn graveyard behind a truck whatever that was some of it was our friend Mr. Rousseau who will have a thing or two to say about
Starting point is 02:19:54 later some of it I think was possibly under the new writing regime but it was just it was the worst part of that bullshit shock TV crash TV, attitude era nonsense.
Starting point is 02:20:11 And that's what people remember. That chaps me the wrong way. And that's what Bubba had to smart his kids up over this. And remember, there was a time in the business where a lot of guys didn't even smarten their wives up. But even in those days, you didn't smarten your kids up until they got to a certain age because you were nervous, you might not be able to impress on them how important. it was not to blab to their friends at recess or whatever in the third grade. But when their father, as Lacey said, was cooking guys dogs and feeding it to them
Starting point is 02:20:51 or being hung, you know, kids were looking at her sideways and she, you know, it was embarrassed. And Ray had to sit down and tell them what was going on with the business. And I said we'd talk about our friend Mr. Rousseau in a few minutes, but I'll bring it up now. The one comment that they had from him in this show was when they talked about them hanging the boss man by a hangman's noose in the middle of the ring in a realistic fashion. He's like, well, people get hung up with that.
Starting point is 02:21:30 But, bro, I'm writing television. Bro, it's a television show, bro. Why does anybody get upset? And then one of the producers actually said, well, you know his wife and kids were there watching that. Oh, I didn't know that. Well, yeah, yeah, that's kind of rough. What the fuck?
Starting point is 02:21:54 For somebody else kids, it was fine. Just, you know, not that particular. Anyway, I've been droning on any of your thoughts so far on, especially on the hanging or the dog or the corpse. No, and of course, I don't remember who booked what when it comes to that stuff. I told you last time there a lot of people who think that they're too easy on Vince Rousseau. They never bring up that he's the one doing the bad stuff
Starting point is 02:22:19 or that it's bad specifically because he's the one being interviewed. I'm thinking they're kind of at this point they've given him a rope and they're letting him tie his own hangman's noose at this point because you really don't need to make the commentary anymore when they just, people just listen to him, they kind of start figuring it out.
Starting point is 02:22:40 But yeah, this is... Again, you know, I have to get it out of my mind. This wasn't a documentary on Ray Trailer, the Big Bossman, Big Baba Rogers. This was Dark Side of the Rings. So, you know, again, they rushed through everything to get to the attitude era. And then from there to the problems. Yeah. And that, I don't know whether a lot of people knew this or not until this show, but before 2006,
Starting point is 02:23:07 before everything that happened with Chris Benoit, Bubba as a native of the Marietta area knew Dr. Phil Aston and he's the one that introduced him to Chris Benoit or vice versa because the injuries and Bubba with whether it was that size his family also had heart issues
Starting point is 02:23:34 but he was six feet six even though when he started he was 360, 3,000, 3, 7, as Bubba later and then Big Boss Man especially, he slimmed down because he had to for his knees and his back and everything. But the way that he bumped and the way that he worked, even at, you know, and he was a big guy at 320 or whatever with the use of pills for a fairly extended period of time, that was a lot on his heart.
Starting point is 02:24:05 But that's where I thought Lacey especially was very good. when she said it because we as we know they had footage. Aston got brought up on charges and convicted and sent away for doing this for all kinds of celebrities, athletes, people, whatever. But Lacey said, I'd just like to ask Dr. Aston if he knew what he was doing, if he knew this stuff was going to be addictive, if he knew people were going to be hurt. And you know he did, but he didn't care. but again, as Nick Patrick said,
Starting point is 02:24:43 so many of the guys that came through Atlanta or lived in the Atlanta area for any of the companies, so many of them are in the graveyard now. And that's the bad thing when Kurt Hennig died because Bubba had, Bubba was close with the Steiner's. He was real good friends with Kurt Hitting. And when he died, Bubba straightened up.
Starting point is 02:25:09 He still had the pain issues. but for the family and just because that was kind of a wake-up thing, not for a lot of guys, but for him. But then he ended up having a heart attack sitting in his chair at home. And that's another terrible story that Lacey told about she had just learned CPR in school and had to give her dad CPR and wondered whether she'd done it right or not. And that's a lot of, lot to put up with.
Starting point is 02:25:44 So this was a dark side. So many of the dark sides, the people in them are dark. And I think, you know, that's the thing. For it to be the dark side, the people don't have to be dark. They don't have to have just been reckless
Starting point is 02:26:03 and brought it on themselves. And, you know, Bubba was one that fit here. But he got to Hall of Fame induction in 2016, they were there. Lacey is working in mental health treatment. So it was a good program as a teaser of like I'd like to see a three-hour extended cut of everything about great trailer, Big Bubba Rogers, a big boss man. You always bring up the reunion and how close it was. What do you think he would have done?
Starting point is 02:26:38 I mean, he wouldn't have been at the first one because I was already booked, but. Right. Well, see, that's the thing. we didn't know that it was going to turn out to be such a thing. When Dennis first moved back to Huntsville and went to a show and some of the guys saw him, and we got his number, we called and just started talking at the same time, people, other people had seen Dennis Condry's back around. And that's how we got the first two booked, which were going off top of my head. Kingsport, Tennessee was the first one, I think for, oh, God damn it.
Starting point is 02:27:12 was it well nevertheless it was just me and Bobby and Dennis and then the following week was the Ring of Honor Gabe Sapolsky had got us all four with stand together to do a thing at Ring of Honor
Starting point is 02:27:29 and we didn't know whether there was you know that we didn't know that was going to be the start of a lot of regular appearances so naturally as the promoters and the fan fest the Comic Conns or whoever the independent shows
Starting point is 02:27:45 were booking three members or four members of the Midnight Express, they would have loved to have had Big Bubba with us. And, I mean, he didn't have to make it a full-time gig. He could have done whatever he wanted to, but he would have been, over the next following five, six, seven, eight years, he would have been regularly at the Charlotte reunions or the big fan fest or whatever.
Starting point is 02:28:11 People would have loved it. But it was just at the same time. Dark side of the ring, big boss man, and who are they featuring next week? Next week is, people may not know the real name, but they may remember the gimmick name,
Starting point is 02:28:30 but Rick Wilson was the renegade. And he's the guy that they brought into WCW with the closest thing. It was like the similarity between Superfly Jimmy Sunauka and Superfly C. V. Afi. It was like an Ultimate Warrior reboot. No, they tried to pretend it was the ultimate warrior at first. Absolutely, they did. Well, yeah, but then they had to kind of admit it,
Starting point is 02:29:00 but they still carried on with it. But this guy apparently, as well as when we talked to Evan Husney, he had a horrible, tragic up and down story, and obviously is passed away now. It has gone to his great reward. So that's next week. But later on in the season, I'm also looking forward to Paul Lorndorf. That's coming up. So you know what the rule is, Brian here? The lesson that we've learned by this is just don't sleep on any of these programs. Just watch them all because that way you won't miss any of the good ones. So you cannot, as the kids say, sleep on any of these shows, you've got to sleep in between these shows. And Brian, what in the world is better to sleep on
Starting point is 02:29:52 in between shows than a Helix sleep mattress? I ask you. What in the world? You know, Jim, I don't think anything. Helix is out of this world with comfort, great mattresses that we love in my home, and you loving yours. That's right. As a matter of fact, talking about out of this world, Helix has made a big deal with NASA, and they're putting these mattresses in the space station, and in these moon rockets, because they're going back to the moon, so you can get the weightless mattress. The only thing that keeps it down is when you lay on it. See, this is a great way you can get extra room in your house,
Starting point is 02:30:28 ladies gentlemen, your bedroom will be unc cluttered. Every morning when you get up out of bed, your mattress floats right up to the ceiling and waits there until you're ready to go to sleep that night. Not a real mattress. You're pulling down by the special system of pulleys that is attached. There's no special system. And once you're laying on it, boom, there you go.
Starting point is 02:30:45 Listen, ladies and gentlemen, it's not a real mattress that's available from Helix. It's a fun, fantastic idea. You've got to go directly through the government. It's the kind of idea you can have. If you were daydreaming, taking a day nap on your Helix sleep mattress coming up with ideas, that's what you would come up with. Well, as a matter of fact, they did a study, and 78% of the people that sleep on Helix mattresses found that they daydreamed. in the nighttime. There's no study that we know of.
Starting point is 02:31:18 We can't talk about studies that don't exist. I've been studying all day long. I'll tell you what, folks, because I hate to get out of bed. Since I got this Helix mattress, I do everything there. They had to hook up a tube to run all the way into the bathroom.
Starting point is 02:31:36 But nevertheless, folks, all you got to do is go to helixleep.com, H-E-L-I-X-Sleep.com. And they're going to show you their variety of mattresses, the ones if you like to sleep firm, or if you like to sleep hard, or if you like to get soft before you go to sleep, or the kid's mattress.
Starting point is 02:31:57 I'm going to get a couple of those for Buddy and Alfred. Because that way, you know, I've got them right there next to be on, but they've got their own mattress so they can pee to their hearts content. You know, the kids' mattress, they also come in waterproof models that turn purple whenever the kids piss, so you can make fun of them over it. They don't come in that at all. Well, that must have been a previous prototype.
Starting point is 02:32:22 But you could upgrade your home with a helix mattress. You get one of these in there. It increases your home's resale value. Well, you know, fuck the wood floors or the goddamn new paint job. Just tell your real estate agent, hey, that's a helix there. And automatically, they're going to know, well, people love to sleep and fuck on those. That's not anything that was increased your home value. Why would that increase your home value?
Starting point is 02:32:47 Well, if somebody's going to buy your house, they're going to want to know they've got a good place to sleep and fuck. That doesn't have anything to do with home value. You can't argue with that. It has to deal with home value. Have you ever bought a house in your life where there was no place to sleep or fuck?
Starting point is 02:33:04 I rest my case. Folks, pre-shipping, seamless delivery, 120-night sleep truck. a limited lifetime warranty. They got a happy with Helix guarantee. If you don't get a happy ending, your first week on a
Starting point is 02:33:23 helix mattress. They can't guarantee that. I thought they gave you one week before you got a happy ending and if you didn't get, because see the the loose women love to sleep on a helix mattress because they're used to just prison bunks and things like that. What the fuck?
Starting point is 02:33:40 You know who would love Helix sleep, Andrade. How you know, How you know. Folks, go to helixleep.com. Don't listen to us. No, don't, never do that. Just don't listen to us.
Starting point is 02:33:54 Go to helixleep.com slash jCE. And right now, between August 3rd and the 13th, it's the early access to the Labor Day sale. You're going to be able to get 20% off, third through the 13th, 20% off of any Helix sleep mattress on that fine website with all of the, those various features that we've talked about, and create, if there isn't a place in your home to sleep and fuck, create one with a Helix sleep mattress. I wonder if they also have Helixfuck.com.
Starting point is 02:34:29 They do not. I don't know why that would be something you would wonder here at the end of this time. Well, no, because that way you remember the old Carlin line, the motel should have just had the flashing sign. Sleep, fuck, sleep, fuck, sleep and fuck. So Helixleep. Helixfuck.com. No, that's not. What in the email address? Ladies and gentlemen, let's just clarify once and for all.
Starting point is 02:34:55 In a serious, that wasn't serious. In a serious tone. In a serious tone. Great mattresses, we love here in my home, and you will love in yours. We sleep on them, and we enjoy them. What else do you do on them?
Starting point is 02:35:11 Do you complete the... It's not even a trifecta. It's a day. double. Do you complete the daily double of sleeping and fucking HelixSleep.com? They, uh, you know, you can't, you can't do that on the kids mattresses. Unless you're dwarves. If you're a married
Starting point is 02:35:28 scarf couple, right here at the end, there's just they've got, they've got a, they've got a measuring thing. If you're less than four feet tall, you're not allowed to have sex on the mattresses. That is not so. But there isn't, there is a, there's a loophole for dwarves. Ladies and gentlemen, this is... If you're of legal age. Oh, my God. This is just impossible.
Starting point is 02:35:51 Helixleep.com for all of your normal everyday sleeping needs. Helixleep.com slash... Hold on it. I don't have it here. I have to open it up, ladies and gentlemen. J.C.E is what it is what it is. 20, 20% off till the 13th of August. And then you're out of luck.
Starting point is 02:36:10 Helix sleep. All right. Well, young man. why don't we talk about what's going on in the fine world of Arcadian Vanguard programming this week? Another fine week of programming as I lose my voice on the Arcadian Vanguard podcast network. I really am losing my voice.
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Starting point is 02:37:19 hear what was happening in wrestling 40 years ago today and of course the 605 super podcast The Mothership! I don't know if that helped or hurt my voice but go through the archive here
Starting point is 02:37:32 when I sounded young 605pod.com available wherever you find your favorite podcast but all episodes are always free at 605pod.com. When we're were younger, we always sounded like Mickey Mouse on amphetamines, as Hayman once said about me. And speaking of people from my past, the Black Scorpion, Cornette, I'm from your past. Jim.
Starting point is 02:38:01 Jim, remember behind the dumpster. Hey! She didn't sound like that. All right. I had a fur coat. maybe it was that was that was the problem they stole the fur coat from the black scorpion that was the problem that was the problem all right anyway an old friend of the program here mr shitstain himself Vince Russo we're going to close the program out with the latest comment that came out of his mouth have you heard about this Brian I saw the well it was either a tweet or it was a tweet of a quote that he said on a program or
Starting point is 02:38:40 whatever, but it was a statement that came from his own chicken lips. He said, Vince Rousseau said that Triple H's creative is the worst creative in the history of professional wrestling. Oh, come on, he didn't really say that. He can't really mean that even if he said. He said that followed up by, I don't know why he doesn't call me. There it is. there it is
Starting point is 02:39:10 what do they play when they hit a home run play that on the organ that's he said first of all oh I didn't really mean it I was just making a joke first of all Triple H's creative is the worst in professional wrestling history
Starting point is 02:39:30 coming from Vince Rousseau said Mr. Pot to Mr. Kettle even if it ain't too good which we have been making that point here lately on the program ourselves, when you say worst in the history of professional wrestling, you are ignoring the incredible legacy in the body of work presented by the guy that just made that statement. And then part B to this Medicare extraab. Medicare Part B, that's what Rousseau needs.
Starting point is 02:40:01 He's my age. And he's still groveling like a Dickens Street urchin. I don't know why he doesn't call me. Maybe because it's been almost 30 years since you worked there and you're still trying to do the same shit. And even Jerry Springer is canceled and dead. But to quote Jackie Fargo, the gall of him, can you believe that?
Starting point is 02:40:32 Even if, I mean, you know, Eddie Graham may have a right to say that or Bill Watts or a few names like that. But that's, and is that also the right way to go about getting a job that you still apparently so desperately want when you can't understand why the guy you've just said is the worst ever at what he's doing, why he won't call you so you could fix it all? I don't think he wants a job. Remember, a few years ago, he quit the wrestling business.
Starting point is 02:41:03 He said, I'm done forever, no matter what. And that went like all the other wrestling retirements. I'm the only one that's honored my commitment. Me and Jack Briscoe. That's right, but his podcast sucked. Well, but, you know, that wasn't his Baileywick. But so on the, to commemorate the occasion of Vinny Rue making that statement. And I'm sure the Triple H will be putting a call in immediately as soon as somebody fucking ties him down and kidnaps members of his family and forces him to.
Starting point is 02:41:38 but you said that's how he would get a job that's not how he would get a job do you think he's emailed Ari Emanuel yet oh you would have to think that's what he does he tries to email the person in charge who wouldn't know as much as the people on the ground about what he does that's his move do you think he's emailed Ari yet
Starting point is 02:41:55 well would he email Ari or would email Nick or who would he think is the top of that food chain that would do him the most good while still never having actually worked with him in person to believe the horror stories I don't know. People who work with Mark Shapiro think he's a moron. A very successful moron, but a moron nonetheless. I was about to say, well, then they've got something in common,
Starting point is 02:42:16 but then you added successful moron, and now you've taken that away. Yeah, I don't know. But again, he's publicly said he's written a network in the past. He's written multiple networks in the past. He's written multiple companies in the past. Vince. He was writing the Vince. He was writing Vince until Vince said, you know, So a good day, pal, basically.
Starting point is 02:42:41 Even Vince didn't want to put up with it anymore. You would think at some point he would realize, well, maybe, maybe just maybe. None of these people want anything to fucking do with me. And I know some of the coronet haters out there are going to, well, they don't want anything to do with you either. And the feeling is mutual. I'm not asking publicly or privately. That's the fucking point. This dipshit, whatever it's convenient,
Starting point is 02:43:13 he talks about how, or he'll write a book about how wrestling ruined his life. He can't stand wrestling or the people in it. They're the worst kind of people. And he never should have been involved in this, except next week when he's got to do another show or continue to look for a job, oh but I could help the booking in this place or that place or the other place.
Starting point is 02:43:37 He's a 65-year-old man that is booking for a wrestling promotion run as a side rib by actual clowns. And that's the only place that he can do his 30-year-old stick. Gosh, I hate to say somebody stuck in the past,
Starting point is 02:43:58 but my God, again, Springer's dead, Off the air, a lot of people don't want to hear about the fucking, is a girl pregnant and who's responsible? Well, we got to paternity test the whole goddamn roster. But he remains blissfully ignorant. You know, people say ignorance is bliss. And he's a happy, son of a bitch, every time you see him.
Starting point is 02:44:29 You know, I will say, though, I think they should do it. because I would love to watch Unreal to see the writer's room when Vince Rousseau starts throwing his ideas out there and all these guys in their sweater vests have to deal with that. The last time that happened and what was it, was it 2001 or 2002 or whatever,
Starting point is 02:44:49 when they brought him back, he had one meeting with the writers and they universally told Vince McMahon they would mutiny if this person was brought there. That is the only time that I have, ever heard a firsthand account from inside the WWE of where Vince McMahon apologized to members of his staff. He actually, he said, I'm sorry, I made a mistake. I thought it would work.
Starting point is 02:45:23 That was a landmark moment in Stanford, Connecticut. What do you think that's like days later? Like, I got a gig. It's going to be great. I'm doing my thing again. Oh, the phone's ringing. Who's that? Yeah, the phone rang Don't answer the phone. The call is coming from inside Titan Tower. So anyway, that was the statement he made
Starting point is 02:45:44 and people took to it like you could imagine. But I thought, they're just as a little pallet cleanser here as we end the program, since he's proclaimed that somebody else is the worst creative writer
Starting point is 02:46:00 in the history of creative writing and wrestling, that we would just go over another example or two of some of the things that he who can fix this has written because we've been going through my old T&A agent reports and we stopped a few weeks ago. Other things have been happening, but I got a couple more here. I thought I would just bring up at random. This is what he was doing 20 years ago. And does anybody think he's gotten any better in the last 20 years of what he was then?
Starting point is 02:46:31 he who could fix this he who can fix this let's see what he was fixing back then t and a impact this is dated for february 22nd 2007 and and the next week is march 1st that's right because february only has 28 days it wasn't a leap year so at any rate this was t and a impact for february 22nd of o 7 open pyro west of today were slower and not having a cow this week and I actually listened to them and it was easier to hear the points. They had them doing such high energy shit that it was just, it was being lost and they slowed down a bit. A.J. Stiles entrance, AJ should never perform in baggy shirt and jeans. He looked like a frumpy high school jock, but this is when they had switched AJ heel, right?
Starting point is 02:47:32 best heal attitude promo i've seen him do ever but he never really explained what the match was that he was talking about because he and rhino were being were advertising they were booked in a scaffold match at the pay-per-view rhino climbed the scaffold great visuals here for the height rhino was passionate and the promo was good but why was a j surprised that the guy he's working a program with accepted his open challenge. Just a little loophole there. Then we go to Jeremy Borash
Starting point is 02:48:10 with Team 3D and Sheripa. Was there a baseball player named Sharpa? Shuripa? Or wait a minute, I'm trying to see... Steve Sharpa from the Sopranos? Is on later on in the program. I don't... I'm trying to look for a Sheripa.
Starting point is 02:48:26 Is it Steve Sharpa from the... That's what I'm looking for. Maybe the next week. I know there's another Sharipa going on. Well, maybe we'll get there. But nevertheless, whatever they did, both Bubba Ray and
Starting point is 02:48:44 Sharpa were very good. Yeah, I just looked it up at Steve Sharpa, who was famous for playing Bobby Bacola on The Sopranos. Okay, well, because Team 3D, well, I guess Devon may not be Italian, but Bubba's Italian from New York and L.A.X had gone to the Italian restaurant and beat up his uncle that we didn't know was his uncle until
Starting point is 02:49:03 after they beat him up, blah, blah, blah. So, LAX entrance, now they're a gang with the thugs, and Conan and the chair will be great if he doesn't get out until it's right. And remember that was the problem, and they didn't have Conan with LAX for a while there. They weren't making them a fearsome commodity. And then segment two, 3D entrance with Steve Sharipa, okay, and the Gumbaz. good use of a celebrity in this instance,
Starting point is 02:49:35 he was good and right for the role. And they had a L-A-X versus Team 3D in a belting pot match where everybody was around the ring with belts to whip the guys back. But I said, could have easily done without the name. But this was a great segment. Yeah, really.
Starting point is 02:49:57 Well, because again, even something serious, the people are going to get hurt. He's got to make it funny. good action and whippings fans were into it the finish came off great five and a half minutes bell to bell gave them some time to have a good all-out brawl Hernandez could be a big talent but needs to be training with someone two to three times a week this was in February of 2007 February of 2009 when Dixie was wanting to make Hernandez supermex the big singles baby face Latino superstar, I was still saying the same thing. But now they were trying to make him a single.
Starting point is 02:50:40 He had never been put in a push position as a single, only a tag, so he was floating again. And in the months leading up to my unceremonious dismissal, I'd been working with him exclusively as his producer and was suggesting that they even foot the, the bill, maybe show that he's dedicated, let him donate his time, but fly
Starting point is 02:51:08 him to Louisville, and put him up in a fucking hotel. We got a rate on and let me work with him in classes and have OVW guys work with him. And we were trying to do that when you know, everything else went south and they
Starting point is 02:51:24 had bigger problems. But anyway, VTR package prison yard match and Mitchell injured. Father James Mitchell, of course, the manager of Abyss. They were coming up on a prison yard match thing or they had a prison yard match or whatever with Abyss and Sting in this program. And I said, great work here, but I can't get past the father shooting in order to like this. Because as you will recall, Sting had found out that Abyss had shot his father in the back.
Starting point is 02:51:59 and everybody believed that. So then we go to segment three, and Brian, I wanted to read this today because since Mr. Rousseau's comments about bad booking, do you remember we mentioned this a few weeks back on the show? Do you remember where the exact moment was, because I reminded you, that the Fire Rousseau chance began in the impact zone
Starting point is 02:52:29 from the T&A audience? Oh, it was one of the gimmick matches. Oh, shit. Was it Abyss? Yes. Was it Abyss and the man he's wrestling? It's showtime. And Sting.
Starting point is 02:52:44 And Sting in the last rights match. That's right. Okay, segment three of this show was Sting on his deathbed doing a promo. And I said, okay. this was shot great, had moody effects, had a cool look. Sting did a good job. But with all this pseudo-religious, florid prose and deep metaphoric content, what the fuck did this sell me?
Starting point is 02:53:16 Nobody is really going to die. Sting is trying to save this guy. He's going to kill him and make him live again. Because, Brian, remember, the rules of the last rights match were that there was a platform in the middle of the ring, and to win the match, you had to put your opponent on the platform, and he would be raised literally to heaven,
Starting point is 02:53:41 up to the ceiling of the impact zone, as far as that goes. I think probably is still a little ways between there in heaven. And that's the way you won the match. The guy goes up, right? I swear to God. And so I wrote,
Starting point is 02:53:57 so what if you get raised to the ceiling on this thing? That won't hurt, especially on the same show with a scaffold match where somebody's going to take a bump off the ceiling onto the floor. This show bill, go ahead. I didn't even think about the idea that you're doing that a scaffold match on the same show. So someone's going up. Yeah, one guy's got to come down. One guy's got to go up. Which one would you rather be?
Starting point is 02:54:25 Motherfucker put me on the thing going up. And I wrote this showbiz to realism ratio is so high. it's too implausible to engender a passionate enough response in the viewers to make them spend $40 to see these two guys fight, especially after the baby face just went over at a street fight and the prison yard match and killed the manager. What is staying a sadist? Is someone taking out his religious conflicts on this angle? And by the way, I'll remind everybody that in the last rights match, in addition to the platform to raise the blah, blah, blah, blah. They had spooky lighting and they had candelabras, like in Dracula's castle, on all four corners of the ringpost.
Starting point is 02:55:15 Yeah, it was more like, but they had them on the ringpost, right? And they came up with a spot where Sting was going to do the Stinger splash to Abyss, and Abyss reached back and whacked him over the head with one of those gimmick candelabras. It was some kind of plastic or balsa wood, whatever, it wasn't really like a mess. metal candelabra. When he hit him over the head with the fucking cheap-ass thing, it stabbed him in the fucking eye.
Starting point is 02:55:44 It broke and stabbed him right near, right next to his eye, and he was bleeding the hard way. And when's last time you saw a sting bleed to begin with, right? And he came back from that match and he was fucking freaking out, going to the mirror.
Starting point is 02:56:00 My eye, my eye, for real. Because he had so much blood in it, he couldn't see whether he'd stabbed him actually in his eyes. And as that match went on, that's where the people started fire Russo. Fire root. That's where it came from.
Starting point is 02:56:21 Anyway, where are we at? Continuing with Seg 3. Rude, Eric Young and James Storm with Miss Jackie and my god, Tracy Brooks, versus VKM, the voodoo Ken Mafia, and Lance Hoyt, who is Lance Archer, of course, the voodoo Ken Mafia
Starting point is 02:56:43 was Road Dog and Billy Gun. I wrote this was for exposure for all these guys and to further the stories. They didn't rush and got it all across in two minutes. Two minutes, six man tank. Chris Daniels vignette, Don West with Andre Risen. He's a football player, right? Sounds right. Abyss slams him.
Starting point is 02:57:08 Was not the performer Sharipa was and came off heelish and very staged. So they got a football player coming in getting more healed than the fucking, get more Heath than the heel. That's segment four, JC and Mike Teney with Kurt Angle and Scott Steiner contract signing. This had a big league feel, great entrances. Don West did his best work ever. as alone he slowed down, talked him to the ring, and told the stories, best he's ever been.
Starting point is 02:57:42 Remember, Don was still, this was 2007, he'd never done wrestling before. He was still picking things up on the job training. TNA approached this as if they believed these guys weren't going to fight here, even though everybody knew they were, but we built the tension until they weren't sure by slowing it up and sitting down. good explosion with the table argument headbutt big juice heels getting heat and the outshot with the bloody contract in kurt's mouth i think this was as hot as we could make it you had stars here and you had the ability for these guys go out and be serious and create something in the middle of it especially when it made sense Anyway, Samoa Segment 5, VTR Samoa Joe, talking about Christian Cage and the NWA title.
Starting point is 02:58:41 I hope Joe wins this because at this point, we've almost made him full of shit if he doesn't. I can't remember whether he did. And then a ladder match, Sanjay Dutt versus Austin Star, that's Austin Ares versus Jay Lethal versus Sinshee, that's low-key versus Jerry Lynn. I'm the last one to preach for less wrestling, but no entrances for any of these guys just made it a throwaway.
Starting point is 02:59:09 No way this could follow the contract signing for Star Power, then they all look like job guys, the same guys that we beat and make fun of all the time plus Jerry Lynn. And that was true. They come out of the main event guys contract signing with heat and et cetera, and they just throw one, two, three, five. five guys in the ring to have a ladder match. Don't even get entrances.
Starting point is 02:59:35 Everybody looked like Ned. Jumpstart and a bunch of flips. Lynn does an incredible job. The other guys work hard but are perceived and presented as interchangeable spot guys. To break in one and a half minutes as Bob Backland comes to the ring to entertain the monitor. And I love Bob was a great guy, but that's all he was there for is to go out and do his whatever his thing was and everybody watching the monitor just loved it and the fans were like segment six match part two the finish came in two minutes and it was flat because the X
Starting point is 03:00:17 wouldn't come off right that's where they had to climb the ladder and pull the X down and they could get the X off backland end to chicken wing Austin Star why can a 55 year old guy beat up one of the only guys this match that might be useful why would this match follow the contract signing for show flow? And then they had footage at the end of the show of angle getting stitched up because he got busted open for real by the headbut. And it was so quick and so short at the end of the program, I almost missed it. But anyway, that was an example of the guy who can fix it.
Starting point is 03:00:57 Brian, any questions? Imagine if he had three hours. Imagine if he had the three hours, they have. now. Oh, well, this was only one. See, this was only one hour. That's why there was a grand total of three and a half nine minutes of wrestling in this show. That's amazing. Would you like one more? One more. This would be, you said, March 1st, I believe.
Starting point is 03:01:23 March 1st of 2007. Borash with Tom Cohen Cage, the interplay between these two is fun. that's when Tomko was starting to get over as the stooge of Cage that people were starting to cheer for to turn on Cage. And then, of course, they swerved everybody by confirming him heel by having him stab somebody to back, and he never got over to that level again. But nevertheless, my two observations are Tomko is great, low-key, but needs to find his raving lunatic gear when it's called for in the ring. and sometimes I think Cage is being too weasily or cute to be a top heel.
Starting point is 03:02:07 Boy, how that has magnified. Open, pyro, etc. Steiner angle pull apart before show looked chaotic, but I thought a little quick to see them fighting again after last week's angle. We hadn't even really re-shown that yet, and they're fighting again. It's just, again, something lands and gets over, and then you give them so much of it, they get used to it.
Starting point is 03:02:35 J.C.'s office with Kurt Angle. I like doing promos with Kurt because he wants people to believe he means what he says. Then Chris Saban, Austin Star, and Alex Shelley against Sinchie, Lethal and Lynn. The same people we beat and make fun of every week, plus Jerry Lynn. How is this an X-Division classic?
Starting point is 03:02:56 Will we see these same guys in the same group or clump every week? at the bell to start the match. Nash comes to ringside and takes up 30 seconds asking for the Savage promo from lethal and getting it. Heels jumpstart, 45 seconds of spots and dives, and Backland comes to ringside for the break. So as you could sit, nothing was allowed to happen for longer than a minute without being interrupted by something else. Seg 2. We're already in the heat, but Backland's on color, so we're not. paying attention anyway.
Starting point is 03:03:33 Shelley, Saban, and Lethal did a hell of a spot and nobody on the mic mentioned a word about it. Backland made no sense and killed the match for TV, but the guys worked hard and the crowd live was into it. Match was starting to get good when it came to a halt for no apparent reason for Star to do the spot with Backland. Did somebody forget something? One, two, three, and four minutes
Starting point is 03:03:57 would have been a good match with no backland or break. Backlin and Stars square off, run, and bow with Sinsche took over one minutes and gave a bigger push to the 55-year-old retiree than our regular talent. We followed that up with a day in the life of Eric Young. Oh, my God. And I said, I get this deal because I've seen it 100 times with managers, valets, baby faces, losing a stipulation, et cetera. But if you haven't seen it, it really doesn't work in one minute. the hokey music added to it killed it even though the talent was good because it made it seem silly
Starting point is 03:04:37 T&A giggling at the heel humiliating the baby face neither got rude heat Robert Rude neither got rude heat nor Eric's sympathy just made it cartoon then we go to an elevation X spot that's what Scavelmatch was with Rhino it looked awesome but when they threw the fruit off of it it would have been great to see the uninterrupted fall and hear the splat. They got a little fancy in some fashion.
Starting point is 03:05:08 Then we go to, have you noticed there's not a lot of wrestling on the wrestling program, Brian? Yeah. We go to Sting in his coffin. I swear to God, I didn't expect to hear that. We go to Sting in the coffin. He's talking about the last rights match. There's the smoke, there's the spooky music, etc. I wrote, Sting actually says Abyss will die with a straight face.
Starting point is 03:05:34 I know where all this hokey, religious, darkness, and light, horseshit is coming from, so at least I have some clue what this is all about, but I pity the viewer who doesn't. This is degenerated into creature features for six-year-olds and is in no way pertaining to wrestling. Because this is when Rousseau had been born again, despite once again the lack of complying. endorsement of the first time around from anybody.
Starting point is 03:06:03 He decided to get born again, and now he's sticking that in, in between the segments where the women are calling each other bitches and hoes and fighting in the women's room. Now wrestling's religious. And following that up, because that was so believable, Jeremy Borash interviewed Abyss, where he snatched up and assaulted a crew member all of a sudden with no legal repercussions. then Steiner made an entrance but Kurt Angle attacked him and they had a pull apart the guys worked hard the people liked it angle jumped a line but nobody knew it got some heat and sold the pay-per-view match this type of segment seems more like wrestling even if it isn't a match but it's just not constant fighting or acting out of a soap up so if this was the angle they were going to do in the show
Starting point is 03:06:58 that would have been the one. The main event guys doing something serious. But in the middle of all this other shit, we're in segment four. We've had one match and we ain't going to have another one. For a while. Segment four, Letitia with Chris Harris. This shitty background music on these things is killing me.
Starting point is 03:07:22 Letitia's total lack of acting ability, broadcasting experience, and credibility made this public access level broadness. casting. Harris did fine, but he was doomed in this setting because nobody believed it. Then LAX was in New York. Alex Shelley presented this video, by
Starting point is 03:07:44 the way. I wrote Alex has personality. So, LAX in New York, between bad audio and the stairway, the accents, and the screaming, I never understood one word of what was said, but at least this time I had graphics to tell me who these people were.
Starting point is 03:08:00 saying that LAX beat up a bald Puerto Rican guy we've never heard of and it was over in less than a minute and nobody cared so again they just go on location and beat up unknown people then
Starting point is 03:08:17 Bubba Ray comes out punk's out Shelly stands up to Nash LAX attack Bubba Ray like we knew they would Ray beats up both guys then makes them look stupid too Shelly's stops him with a nut shot. L.A.X. tries to get heat, but don't know how.
Starting point is 03:08:37 Bubba Ray barely registers a slapjack shot and goes through a table. And why is Devon at Johnny Rod's bedside? Ah, it was Johnny Rod's, they beat up. The bald Puerto Rican guy that we had never heard of and never been mentioned on the program, we now found out, is, of course, their beloved trainer Johnny Rods, but Devon left Bubba to come to the show because Devon is at Johnny Rod's bedside. Are they lovers? Is he in critical condition?
Starting point is 03:09:10 Why is he still at the bedside? And leaving his partner phony and a lot of TV time for very little return. Seg 5. I don't know what this is, Brian. Maybe you can help me. Quote, unquote, ram buck deal. Ram Buck? Who was ram buck?
Starting point is 03:09:35 And I wrote, the guy is really hurt, but nobody will ever believe it now. This was ludicrous. Maybe the fans can write in. Tell us what this was. According to Google, Ram Buck and TNA refers to a comedic parody movie poster nickname used for wrestler Ron Killings. There you go. During a 2007 segment on NWA TNA impact. That's what, remember I said this last time it was a few good black men.
Starting point is 03:10:05 killings Ron Killings, Our Truth was hurt, so they were doing stupid videos to keep him on TV. All right. Then Borash was Samoa Joe talking about Cage at the pay-per-view. Great job, sold the pay-per-view. Then Abyss is choking another crewman. But Joe snatches him. Abyss still doesn't speak or fight.
Starting point is 03:10:32 The pay-per-view point was lost to further this story, which I quit caring about because Abyss does, never does anything but not speak and black hole slam everybody for no apparent reason. And now they've killed his manager. Then Brian, in case you're keeping track, we are at the bottom of segment five of a six segment show. And we've had one wrestling match which lasted four minutes. Now we got Travis Tomko versus Samoa Joe. good story. Tom Co. tried to take Joe out before the pay-per-view match with Cage, but
Starting point is 03:11:11 jump start, rush. Joe's dive, lit it up, and we go to break in one minute, 15 seconds. Segment six, back up already in the heat. Joe starts his comeback after only one minute. Cage in for the chair shot in one, two, three, and two minutes. Fans liked some of it because Joe was over with him, but this never got started as a match. then Steiner in and three heels leave Joe laying. Abyss saves heels run, then Abyss slams Joe. I used to be an Abyss fan, but now I don't care because what the fuck is his problem? When is he going to make up his mind or speak?
Starting point is 03:11:54 We don't milk anything but this and this is way overdue. He still never actually wins a match. Also, is there anybody else left in T&A to beat up? up Joe before he challenges for the world title. If he doesn't win it at this point, he should burn his boots. Eight minutes and 30 seconds, bell to bell in this show. The good stuff, Steiner and Angle, Joe's promo and part of the sixth man. Rotten stuff, everything else. That's from the only man who can fix it. I don't know why he didn't fix this shit. But anyway, Brian we'll come back to that more at a future time because we got SummerSlam to get ready for.
Starting point is 03:12:46 We're going to be watching a lot of wrestling over the next couple of days and coming back with the drive-thru and talking about all of that. A lot of wrestling coming up. Of course, Darkside next week. I feel like there's more things coming up. So much coming up. And Grayson Waller, coming up like a flower. We got to keep an eye on Grace and Waller, SummerSlam, all these variety of things.
Starting point is 03:13:10 and dark side and white side. Let me just say we've had some requests so pretty soon, but not the next week just because there's a lot going on. Mid-South schedule will return. We have to get back. Yes, we are going to return to that, and we're going to play them dagum songs that you've been promising on the drive-thru.
Starting point is 03:13:26 You're going to play that funky music, White Boy. That's right. All right. Well, otherwise, folks, thank you again for sticking with us, those of you brave souls who did all the way till the bitter end, and boy, was it bitter. but in parting until the drive-through and next week on the experience thank you fuck you and
Starting point is 03:13:45 bye-bye everybody

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