Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Drive Thru Special - Guess The Program Omnibus Volume 4

Episode Date: September 7, 2026

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Hello again friends, and you are our friends, the great Brian last here, you there. We are back on the bus, a very special omnibus here for a Labor Day weekend, guest to program, volume four. Hey, look back at some of the installments of guest to program from the drive-thru and the experience right here today for you. Without any further delay, let's get going right now. Let's get on the bus, guest the program, volume four. Well, Jim, why don't we start in a good way? I know you watched a little bit of WWE, so we're going to talk about that as little as possible.

We have questions we never got to last week. I got to see if any of them are good. I know we still have a roster of you that's going to probably be endless and then eventually WWE, so we also have that potentially. Why don't we start with Guess the Program? Okay. Brian, I lost you on the far turn, but you got me with Guest the Program. All right, of course, guest the program is where I go through programs in my collection.

quiz Jim about all the details he can give us. The date, the location, the street address, the phone number, the promoter, the timekeeper, and of course the Rinside physician. Let's start with this one. This is an interesting one. I hear you shuffling your pages now. The first event, a wrestle royal. Killer Kowalski, Han Schnabel, Fred Atkins, Roy Graham.

Al Lovelock, no time limit. Match continues until only one left. The second event, Fritz Schnabel versus Al Saz. Now wait a minute, was Han Schnabel in the opening wrestle royal, or was it Fritz Schnaubble? It was Hans in the Rassel Royal, R-A-S-S-S-L-E, and Fritz in the opening bout against Al-Zaz out of St. Louis, one fall 15-minute time limit. Okay. The third event will be the first two losers of the Rassal Royal, one fall 15-minute time limit.

The fourth event, the second two losers. The second two, yeah. Of Rassel Royal, one fall 15-minute time limit. The main event, and there are two, the Mighty Atlas and a Chicago. He is a champion, I will not name the title he has, versus Duke Keaum. Muka at a Honolulu, two out of three falls one hour time limit. And the main event, the world champion Luthez, St. Louis, versus the winner of the Rassal Royal.

Oh, Jesus Christ. And I'll tell you who it was, Killer Kowalski, two out of three falls, 90-minute time limit. Oh, boy. By the way, it says referees, there are two referees for this match. One of them, I will say, because the other one may be a giveaway. one of them is Al Lovelock, who was in the Rassal Royal. Well, and he also, Al Lovelock worked later on as one of the great bolos, did he not? That was the beginning of the assassins, I guess you could say.

Yeah, who was the other referee, or does it name that person? The other referee is Leo Voss. Oh, okay. So, Killer Kowalski, obviously everybody knows we need not go into his biography. Fred Atkins later on was a popular figure around Toronto, including being in, I think, in the office for a period of time and didn't he referee for a while?

Which Graham was this? Was this Bobby Graham, did you say? In the Russell Royal, it was Roy Graham. Roy Graham. So might as well be telegram. I don't know. Poor Al Zaz and Fritz Schnabel were just in there to really kill some time so that the guys didn't have to come right back out and wrestle their singles matches

out of the Battle Royal. The Mighty Atlas was Morris Shapiro. He was a bigger star probably than anywhere or at any other time off Chicago TV in the 50s, right? Duke Keimoko would go on to. settle in Florida. Fez being the champion against Kowalski, we're in Texas because of Leo Voss,

I would think. That's why I was trying not to give that one away. Uh-huh. You asked. But, well, but he's on the card. See? So I didn't cheat. So the question is, I don't think this is

a lineup worthy of Houston but we're somewhere in Texas and I would have to think it's the mid 1950s 1955

Corpus Christi the day Tuesday December 18th 1951 Dallas Texas the Sportatorium Dallas okay yeah now this is the end of 51

this is months before the Dallas wrestling war would break out on page two of the program here. Dallas Matt fans set new records. Dallas again leads state top Matt city. Dallas did it again. Once more, promoter Ed McLemore reports that more people went to the Sportatorium Wrestling Matches than did in any other large or small city in Texas. Since McLemore and matchmaker Doc Sarpolis took over 13 years ago,

Dallas has shown a considerable increase. Even last year's record year was topped. The attendance average per card was 5,578. Jesus! Tonight's parade of stars and championship program should considerably boost the average. On the last card of last year with Luthes in a title match, 6,288 was the attendance. So let's stop there.

I was about to say I'll stop you there because, as you mentioned, this was before the promotional war, and it's before they set fire to the Sportatorium. It seated more people. How many did a seat when you work there? I'm going to say, see, they don't, they didn't give us a ticket, you know, manifest or a seating chart or whatever for the Sportatorium especially, but the money with the ticket prices that they were charging and a sellout when we were there, which they were doing quite often on Fridays,

I'd have to look at my book, but I remember it somewhere around 30 grand. So I would think that probably around the high 4,000s of people. You know, some people you say the 5,000 seats portatorium or whatever, but 40-something, 100, 5,000, somewhere around there. and but the thing is remember we've talked about when people who have seen the world class TV tapes look at the shot of the ring from the hard camera that they would use to the left there was just a big blank wall past the ring site right and you would see across the ring you'd see

all of those bleachers that went all the way up and it would go all the way around to where the wrestlers would come down that hill and fight their way through the crowd, right, as far as the girls wanting to love on to Von Erickson to Fantastics. But one side of the building is just a tin wall. When they set fire to the

fucking building in 1952 or whatever it was, when they rebuilt it instead of the whole place didn't burn. So they just chopped off the side that burnt and put a straight fucking aluminum wall up.

There was another, the From what I understand, the seats would have gone all the way around and joined in those days of this program. So they could probably have seated, you know, six or seven thousand in there maybe. Fourteen complete sellouts were chalked up during the late winter and spring season of the year. Even during the summer of 100 degree heat, the crowd still held up. And there was no air conditioning, not even. in the 80s in that building. Much in the office, in Fritz's office,

there was not in a fugging arena. Headliners, the country's best wrestlers, account for this turnaround. The plans for next year are the same. A listing of wrestlers do hear early next year isn't another story in this program.

Wrestling has been good all over the country. Texas is still considered the top territory, and Dallas is, as always, the top town. Well, there you go. So, and they were running weekly in those days also, right?

They were. Texas map promoters in meeting. Promoter Ed McElmore was host to nearly all the Texas wrestling promoters over the past weekend. A meeting of the promoters was held yesterday at the Supongo Club from 1 o'clock to 6. Mr. M.B. Morgan, Commissioner of Labor, and in charge, of the boxing and wrestling in Texas presided. His number one deputy, Alton Erickson, also of Austin, the supervisor of wrestling,

was the first assistant. North Texas deputy Sammy George of Dallas and local deputy Bill Hughes were to attend general wrestling business was to be the topic of discussion. Texas promoters

slated to attend are Morris Siegel, Houston, Frank Brown, San Antonio, Norman Clark Galveston, Dore Denton, Amarillo, Owen Davis, Austin, Barney Myers, Corpus Christi, Sam Menacher, El Paso. El Paso. Sled Allen, Lubbock. Joe Ramirez, New Bronfell. Vic Weber, from San Angelo. Benny Wilson, Abilene, Texas. Dan Menotin. Plainview, Doc Sarpolis, Dallas, F. E. Gerard, Tyler, R.G. McElie from Fort Worth and Ken Moore of Wichita Falls. That's a lot of local promoters. Well, and that's in those days. Remember, 1951, they may not have any television presence yet, right? The national TV, Dumont Network, Hollywood Wrestling, etc. But in those,

days every local town every town had a local promoter because it was primarily radio and newspaper and posters and a guy on the ground making a deal with the building and making sure the chairs or whatever the fuck and every town was kind of its own little fiefdom but you bet doc sarpolis was instrumental in the amarillo territory for dory funk senior for a long time and another thing has struck me how many guys do you know named Dory in the world? Outside of wrestling, I've never met any. Exactly. But in Amarillo, Texas, the previous promoter and top star, and he'd been a big name in the

ring in his day, Dory Denton ended up giving way to Dory Funk Sr. Two guys named Dory ran Amarillo, not related, ran Amarillo wrestling for fucking 50 years. Peanuts, popcorn, soft drinks, and coffee, 10 cents each. Popular Argentina Raqa to return. So I promising 1952 talked about here in this program. And Sam Minnaker, by the way, he was a promoter in El Paso. He had some, he lived there for years, had some connection. But Minnaker, obviously, he was in Mighty Joe Young when the tug of war with the

gorilla with the other wrestlers. But Minnaker booked and announced for Stu Humber. hard at various times, Dick the Bruiser in Indianapolis during his boom period. But when I met Sam Minnaker not being a mark, I got his autograph when I went to Indianapolis when I was 14. But I actually met him into business. Crockett ran. No, it wasn't Crockett.

It was the Dallas office, world class. Ran El Paso, actually Fort Bliss, which is right next to it. It's an army base. And he came to visit the boys. and this was in 1985 and he was living back in El Paso just a little trivia there for you. El Paso that he went to with the plane

that he stole? I think it was. Well, he didn't really steal it. He just flew Stu Hart's private airplane after he gave his notice as Stu's Booker, he flew Stu's plane down to El Paso, but he called to let Stu know where it was

so he could come and get it. All right, And let's go to our next program here. I don't know for sure that the card took place. But the program may be enough to tell you something here. This is from a file I have here of things like this. The opening back. The Butcher versus Levi Banks.

Okay. The second contest. Beautiful Bobby versus Captain Soul. Okay. The next contest. Johnny Ringo and Frank Rogers versus Gama Singh and Tonga Kid The next contest

Shotgun Austin versus Mountain Man Goliath I'm not sure this card did take place You should still be able to guess the location in the date I think The Magnificent Zulu versus Big Tank Patton managed by General Homer O'Dell.

A 12-man battle royal, $50 each wrestler, $400 from the promoter, means $1,000 for the winner. Which isn't unreasonable. It's not like a $10,000 battle royal for this show. Big Jim Wilson and the Islanders,

Offa and Sika, versus the medics and Dr. Blood. And the main event, Super Assassin 1 versus Thunderbolt Patterson. I'll just Superass 1 versus Thunner. All right.

Where do I start? This obviously is in the state of Georgia. One would be led to believe it was the Omni. One would be led to believe that it was the what was it the i w iw l international wrestling league what were thunderbolt and jim using for their anagram there um you know we could talk about the i wl but i will not lead you down the wrong path this is before this oh no this is iwl you're right no never mind the page and there it is okay yes um well he liked he used it a couple times he liked those letters but thunderbolt

Patterson and Jim Wilson were trying to run in Atlanta, and they were running shows that were basically to prove their claims that they had been discriminated against by the NW. Way and antitrust, racial discrimination in Thunderbolt's case and sexual end or just discrimination against anybody with bad haircuts in Jim Wilson's case. and they were able to get the Omni. I think, didn't they threaten the Omni too with if you hold us out, we'll sue you. And they were actually organizing protests of the few wrestling fans that would show up to carry a picket sign for a fucking unfair practices. Unfair labor practices sued by wrestlers in Georgia.

It didn't fucking fly, but they got in the same. the Omni a couple times. This was not the first one. So that's why you said the show may not have happened. And I was just going to say, running down the talent, the Tonga Kid and Afa and Sika, the islanders are the only, you know, recognize. And Tank Patton with Homer Odell, I don't know how they got involved. The magnificent Zulu was the, this was way past his prime, which was not very good in the ring.

And do we have any idea who the super assassin number one was? Because again, Jody Hamilton, Tom Rennesto, the assassins were the big team in Georgia wrestling. So they're trying to leach off of that. But I don't know if shotgun all, or Man Mountain Goliath ever made it. Johnny Ringo may have been a big star if he had kept with it. Would this have been 19?

Jesus Christ, that's the only thing I'm not sure of because this is not one of their later, they tried again after this, I believe. I'm going to say, because of Tank Patton, Homer O'Dell, and the islanders at that I'm going to say this was 1979. Or is it 1980? The purported date Saturday, October 12th,

1974 What? The city auditorium Atlanta, Georgia. You're kidding. Where did you find that? This program is astounding. Let me read a few things in here.

I never knew they tried that this early. Before the city auditorium, not even the Omni. On one page it says International Wrestling League Limited on the next page, International Wrestling Limited. So I'm not sure exactly what the name is. Here's the National Board of Directors and the executive committee. The president, Thunderbolt Patterson, Homer Odell,

secretary is Pansy Burris. I'm not sure who this lady is. There's a picture over here. The Booker, Dr. Blood. I bet she had some money. The Booker, Dr. Dr. Blood. Dr. Blood, the Booker.

It's good to know that they've got corporate representation here. There's a picture of the beautiful Bobby here. He's on the board, I guess. The public relations director... And that obviously... That's not Bob Harmon. I don't think so.

I'm not sure who this is. To be honest with you, I'll send you a photo of this. Public relations director, Terry Randolph, Alpha, the legal counsel, J.O. Wyatt, the treasurer, J.T. Williams. the first vice president, Jim Wilson, and Big Tank Patton. So that's the board of directors.

This is the new world of wrestling. So predating the NWO, Thunderbolt Patterson and Jim Wilson here, attend church with Thunderbolt and Big Jim. This Sunday, 12 noon, 775 Hunter Street, Northwest, the corner of Chestnut and Hunter, come dressed as you are. Reverend Hosea Williams, pastor, come to the real Christian church.

The church that feeds free soup to the poor every day from 12 noon to 4 p.m. The church that collects and distributes free clothing to poor families. The church that operates a poor people's bonding company. The church that operates a free legal service. The church that works with poor people from 9 a.m. to 1 a.m. 7 days a week, helping them solve all kinds of problems. the church that Between one and nine

in the morning, don't fucking bother us. The church that lives every day what's preached Sunday. So Big Jim and Thunderbolt will be there. But now, and hold on, what date was this in 74? This was October 12th,

74. Okay, because Tank Patton worked in the Memphis territory as Doug Patton and was tag team partners with Phil Hickerson and managed by Sam Bass and then would later on go and Tank Patton was a name in the late 70s in the LeRoy McGirk territory being booked by Watts and various places down south but this is maybe the earliest I've heard him called Tank Patton but Homer O'Dell if they especially if Homer O'Dell was involved on the

board of directors or whatever. That was a thing Thunderbolt liked to do. He liked to list all these people's names and to make it sound grand, we've got a board of directors. We have a national head of this and that. It's names Dr. Blood, right? But still. And Homer O'Dell was always one to get in an office. And I bet he probably had seen Tank Patton and said, hey, I'll manage you, boy, because Homer had been a manager for years. And we're going to be in on the, I can hear Homer Odell talking out, we're going to be in on the office on here. Boy, I can hear it right now. And I think Tank Patton would end up in Memphis about six weeks later. So this didn't this didn't take off. Well, the opening page of the program here, do you need more money?

Well, join us in the greatest money-making venture ever to hit Atlanta for black and white and rich and poor. Is your future secure? Will you have to depend on old pension? Social Security or welfare? What about your loved ones and your children? Is their future secure? What would happen if the good Lord decided to take you out of this world today? Well, and I see going back to my tornado talk. You never know. How does it work? We are accepting 1,000 charter members in our $10 per month investment club. Oh no. Each member invests $10 per month. With a thousand members in the club, we will have $10,000 per month to invest. Placing this in a bank savings account for one year will give us a grand total of $120,000

to start our business and allow us to work for ourselves. Wait a minute, I've paid it a savings account. I know back then they paid interest. But still, we're going to take your money. We're going to put in a bank and draw interest. It's not even a goddamn pyramid scheme or some kind of stock. scam? How will we build a major business?

We will take your club's yearly income, form a legal corporation, hold an official meeting, all members of our $10 per month club will be there, and elect a board of directors. A thousand of them! And elect a board of directors.

They're going to hold the meeting in the city auditorium. The board will select a business that has a very good chance to make it and that employs a large number of people. We can then go to a bank with our business proposal and our $120,000. All thousand of us are going down to that bank. Hi, God.

We're going to get what we want. And our $120,000 cash dollars and negotiate a plan for at least half a million dollars to finance our business. Lord. Then the board will get the small business administration of the Fed, government to participate through its one to ten plan. If we have $120,000, the SBA could loan us ten times that amount, which will be $1,200,000. We can build, and this is on caps, we can build one of Atlanta's largest and biggest money-making businesses.

The SCLC's $10 per month club has the answer. How do you become part owner in our company? Fill out the following application, attach $10 in cash, money order or check, made payable to the SCLC. Preferably just cash. Wait a minute. SCLC, what is he saying that that stands for? I don't know if they said it here, actually.

Because that's the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. Oh, well, but that ain't it. The organizer of this is state representative elect, Reverend Hosea Williams. Oh, Jesus Christ, that's a... That's... Thunderbolt Patterson was writing up this goddamn scheme of whatever and using... This is a recognized pastor in Atlanta, and the SCLC is a Southern Christian Leadership Conference. And Thunderbolt's trying to say, this guy's involved, give me $10 a month.

and this plan of how he's going to build the big. If he's printing the plan of how he's going to build this business, why can't these people then just do it without him? He's let the secret out of the bag. If this worked out and a thousand people gave $10 and they finally had this big meeting, what do you think the chances are that the business they would decide to invest in would be a professional wrestling company run by Thunderball Patterson? Probably pretty good.

Well, we have a letter here from the Reverend Osama Williams, why I organized IWL, the international wrestling, wrestling league. And this is under the rationale behind organization. Okay, now, if he was in on it, then maybe what's happened to Josea Williams in the last 45, 50 years? I don't know, but this is the rationale behind organizing. Like any other human rights struggle, I became obsessed with the representation and exploitation of wrestlers. As the late Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, truth crushed to earth will rise again. Well, like, like, blacks, wrestlers are rising up in the son of manhood. As I learned the truth about the

enslavement of wrestlers, I could not help from yielding to what Victor Hugo said. All the armies are not as powerful as an idea whose time has come. So with my organizing experience, backed up with the ability of the SCLC and the determination of wrestlers together, we will not only economically emancipate wrestlers, but will elevate the sport of professional wrestling to a respectful height. Signed the Reverend Josea Williams. And then here's the... Hold on. I have just typed in his Wikipedia.

He was a... He didn't die until the year 2000. American Civil Rights Leader, activist, ordained minister, businessman, philanthropist, scientist, and politician, Martin Luther King Jr's inner circle. Oh, wow. It has background here. It has early civil rights activism, political career.

He ran for senator, Georgia governor, et cetera, at various points in time. I'm looking for wrestling promotion. I'm not I'm not seeing wrestling promotion. I'm saying, well, when he ran for mayor of Atlanta, I'm seeing, I'm not seeing oh, wait a minute, hold on here.

In 1974, Williams organized the International Wrestling League based in Atlanta with Thunderbolt Patterson serving as president and that's all it says. We have something here

from Thunderbolt Patterson, why I left the alliance. I love wrestling, as well as O.J. Simpson loves football, as well as Hank Aaron loves baseball. But wrestling promoters don't like me. It's not just me being enslaved and robbed. 99% of all wrestlers are dehumanized the same. It's not a racial thing. White wrestlers catch just as much hell as black wrestlers,

other than in areas of promoting. There have never been any black territory promoters. Yes, I was making $60,000 a year, but according to the houses I was drawing, I should have been making $300,000 a year. And it's not just what promoters have done to me, I am more interested in what they have done and are doing to 99% of the other wrestlers.

For the past 10 years, I've seen wrestlers mutilate their body, break their bones and bust their heads for salaries that barely afforded their families a decent quality of life. Yes, promoters have made millions, but the wrestlers were paid pennies. And there's an official statement from Thunderbolt. At least he's consistent.

The purpose of this to liberate professional wrestlers not only mentally, but also economically, and to make professional wrestling a free enterprise business. But, you know, at the same time, can you believe that Thunderbolt Patterson was able to sell Joseo Williams on the idea of, well, he organized the IWL, and then they didn't run anything and it didn't happen,

but just that he was lending his, Thunderbolt had a hell of a line to him. that this guy that was, you know, running for fucking offices around the state was going to also be in a wrestling program where the guy said, what we're going to do is give us $10 a month, a thousand of you. We're going to put it in the bank and then this and that and the other thing. What the fuck? Well, since we're on this topic and it would be ridiculous to do this as another guest of program, I have another program here from the IWL volume one, number one. this is from a card that was purported to have been booked to take place at the Omni, May 3rd, 1981. Okay, I've got that one also.

They may have given all the programs out because there was nobody there to buy them. Seven super matches, including the following wrestlers, Bob Orton Jr., Bob Rup, Ronnie Garvin, Rez Wheatley, Al Perez, Great, Ma'i, Ma'i, Ma'i, Moiko, M. H-I-W-K-O, Big Red, Lars Anderson, Gerald Finley, Ted Allen, Terry Gibbs, and it says here, Hovie Talette, H-O-V-I-E, and then the other two matches. Louis-Tillet, by the way, and by the way, almost all those guys were people who lived in Georgia, guys in the business that lived in Georgia at that time. And the two matches listed, Big Jim and Chief Jay Strongbow versus the Samo.

and Thunderbolt Patterson versus the Sheik. And they had advertised Bob Orton Jr. and some of those names at the start that were with at the time, or possibly maybe up until that point, had been with the Pafos in ICW, but that was right about the time that Rupin Orton bailed out of that. and went to work for Watts in Louisiana, right? This is right around that period of time, correct?

1981. And the Sheik had been trying to help the Pafos because he and Angelo Pafo went back all those years and he had really nowhere else to work. His territory, they'd close the Kobo, et cetera. So he was trying to work with the Pafos as well and was a big name in Georgia that Thunderbolt could bring in

that was not worried about pissing off the NWA. Strongbow is that's surprising because he, Jay Strongbo lived for years in Atlanta. Even when he was with the WWWF, at that point, you'd know better than me. Was he still wrestling or was he already agenting? Oh, no, no, no.

He was still in the ring at that point, wasn't he? That may be, again, if this was really him and his photos in this program. But if that was really him booked for this show, it probably would have been right before he came back with Joel Strongbow, not the original, but Jewel Strongbow and had that last run as a tag team as a baby face.

I guess that would have been, what, 803? Yeah. Yeah, that's right. But I'm surprised, here's the thing, if he was booked on it. He wouldn't have wanted to have upset Vince Sr. Where he normally worked for all of those years. and Barnett was still involved in Atlanta at that time,

but did they just advertise him because Thunderbolt was like, ah, get Strongbow, he lives in Macon. You know, and again, the Samoans always seemed to like, or was this often seeking by this point, but they always seemed like to help Thunderbolt. You know, one more. And Big Jim Wilson. Say again.

One more thing on all this. I have here a page from a petition that looks for 60 signatures on this page. I support Big Jim and Thunderbolts right to fight for NWA championships. We are issuing an open public challenge for these matches. And there's a picture of Jim Wilson in the background. Wanted your support help to keep the American spirit of professional wrestlers alive. Excuse me, a professional wrestling. It's very faint. Spirit of America in this country alive and in pro sports in my struggle to upgrade and reform pro wrestling by cheating American spirit, dignity, and honor.

All right. That's a... But now here's the thing. That was 1981, right? That's why when I heard the other one, I was thinking it was that round, and I said, that sounds like an early one where I said 79, 80 or whatever. But think about this. That was 19, the first one, 1974.

the second one, 1981. Same kind of thing, same names in some cases on the fucking card, and Thunderbolts railing against the establishment. In between that time, Thunderbolt Patterson had gone back to work for Georgia Championship Wrestling in the late 70 for a couple of different runs

and been featured and been used on top. and after this would come back and work again for Oli in 83. And every time that if he wasn't there permanently, every time they say, well, gee, you know, you're getting older and ain't really much else we can do right now. Then he'd go back to run in opposition. But Jim Wilson never went back because he was the shits and never drew any money to begin with,

like Thunderbolt did and he had just been so stunningly full of shit and exposing to business and saying that shit about fucking Barnett that he was never able to wrestle anywhere ever again and rightfully so

but every time that Thunderbolt would get pissed at the office he must have called Jim Will okay Jim I'm mad at him again you want to fucking do it okay I'll be right back T-bolt and actually what the fuck on the back of the

petition has a copy of a newspaper article doesn't have the date by Darrell Simmons, journal staff writer, wrestlers win rounds one and two. The antitrust suit against the National Wrestling Alliance and Georgia Championship Wrestling brought by former Georgia All-American football player Jim Wilson will continue in federal court here. U.S. District Court Judge Robert H. Hall has issued an order denying the defendant's motion for summary dismissal of complaints brought under the Clayton and Sherman acts of antitrust law. Here's a quote from Jim Wilson. This now opens the federal courtroom for us,

and I'm encouraged about my chances now. Wilson and All-America tackle at Georgia in 1964 in a National Football League player with the Atlanta Falcons, Los Angeles Rams, and San Francisco 49ers, was a main event wrestling, in matches promoted by Georgia Championship Wrestling

and sanctioned by the NWA until November 1973. Well, let's stop there. That's one of the issues with Jim Wilson's stuff. Even when he has legitimate complaints, he says he was a main eventor. He was never a main eventor in 73.

No. In the middle of the wrestling war? Well, I mean, he may have main evented fucking Sneedville, Georgia at the high school back in those days on a B show or something. I mean, at some point, anything could happen. But no, it was ridiculous.

And that's why, again, another part of his story was that they told him, oh, you're going to be the NWA world champion. We're going to make you the champion. And, but you, oh, you won't sleep with Barnett. What the fuck? Barnett could afford better looking guys than Jim Wilson to begin. in with, but the idea that, yes, at some point, everybody, when you get into business, oh, you could be the champion.

Maybe he could have been the Georgia champion. Again, stranger things have happened. But the NWA champion is what he was claiming, and it was ridiculous. And the only reason that he got into business was because he had been a name, a college football name in Georgia. And that's the only place he ever wrestled. And it didn't pan out. he wasn't Jack Briscoe.

But then he spent the next fucking 15 years suing everybody because they couldn't recognize his fucking greatness of everybody that's ever had a gripe about how they've been treated or screwed on money or whatever in a wrestling business, Jim Wilson wasn't one of them. But he was the most persistent.

The suit, which has been in litigation since 1976, contends the NWA and G. G.C.W. had blackballed Wilson as a wrestler because of his starting a rival wrestling organization. In addition to the NWA and G.C.W. as defendants, individuals named are Paul Jones, President of G.C.W. Tom Renesto, a Booker for G.C.W. James Barnett, majority stockholder, and Chairman of the Board of G.C.W. Fred Ward, G.C.W. Vice President. And Eddie Graham, president of the NWA.

In September 1974, Wilson and another wrestler, Thunderbolt Patterson, who was one of the strongest draws among black wrestlers, were instrumental in forming the International Wrestling League. The league, according to Wilson, sought to compete with national wrestling and tried to establish medical insurance and retirement benefits for wrestlers. My God, you know what? We were still hearing this five years ago, right?

It was 10 years ago, with Shane Douglas bought that line of shit from that guy. He was telling people, oh, this is really going to happen. That's what Cody said was going to happen with AEW, if you remember those early interviews. Yes, it never ends. Which was unheard of at the time. The founders also hoped, Wilson said, to develop sophisticated marketing techniques for jackets, bags, and other novelties, the proceeds of which would be used to fund the benefits. but Wilson's lawsuit maintains, in addition to systematically blacklisting any wrestlers

who associated with the fledgling league, the officials of national wrestling allegedly sabotage the league's bouts and attempted to harass or bribe wrestlers into staying with national wrestling as part of a conspiracy to restrain competition. The defendant's assu- I don't know, I don't know, Brian. How are you going to sabotage beautiful Bobby versus Captain Soul? I don't know, but that's that program. That went long.

One more program. We can't end on that one. Should I give you a... They did. Should I give you a layup? Let me see. Let me see. This is an easy one.

This would be an... I'm revving up now. I got one. I'm going to get one here. Okay. Well, what better time to start than now. here's this program Give me a second

I have to open this up It's in plastic Jim The opening This at a truck stop or what Jim the opening contest listed here Actually the intermission bout is the first

bout listed Jesus Ortega versus cowboy Dick Hutton Good Lord Mr. Motto versus Rocky Hunter John Paul Henning

versus Carl von Schober Televised bouts Oh these were all televised so far Great Togo An Yoshimo Sato versus Sammy Berg and Don Duffy

Hmm And the main event No TV World Championship Bout 2 out of 3 falls, one hour time limit The Destroyer versus gorgeous George

well now we fully establish exactly where we're at uh don duffy don duffy worked in the memphis territory in 1973 i think he worked under a hood as the scorpion partnered with jerry lawler after jim white left territory and then was partners with crazy luke graham and a regular tag team luke graham and don duffy and I don't hear much about his name either before or since. Sammy Bird was a well-known West Coast name at that point in time. Mr. Motto, of course, one of the classic names of 50s and early 60s wrestling, Dick Hutton against, is that Bull Ortega Jesus or Jesus or Jesus or Jesus?

Ortega? It may, I believe it's Jess Ortega. I can't really. Chess Ortega. But Dick Hutton had been the NWA champion. And by popular demand, he was asked to leave that position. John Paul Henning, famous baby face was over in St. Louis at one point, remarkably so. Some of this is TV.

some of it's not, but the main event with the destroyer and gorgeous George for the world title tells me that we are in the Olympic Auditorium in the very early 60s, because if it was

after Christmas of 63, George would be a zombie. But it's the WAA title that was the California World title, and I think it's the Olympic Auditorium and I would say it would have to be what is this the period of time where George was kind of needing the bookings and that's another reason why some matches were on TV and

some were not because they were doing TV from the Olympic at that point 1961 the Olympic Auditorium the date Wednesday November 7th 1962 the final match of Gorgeous George I was going to say 62 and that I gave myself some space. Son of a gun. You're a, wait a minute, you're a very morbid individual getting all these programs

from promotions that die and then people, that's their last match, then they're dead. What the hell are you talking about? How does that make me a morbid individual? Well, you're very morbid. It's like you want to, you want to buy the car, they shot Bonnie and Clyde in. No, I don't. But if there was a program, I may buy that program. But no, this is a famous wrestling card.

I think it's an important one. Gorgeous George loses his hair and his career is over. So this was the hair match? I believe so, yes. And finally, Jim, I'll hit you with one last one because that was rather quick. This one will be two. Onbeknownst to me, I didn't realize that I bought a lot of 15 or 20 of this exact same program. I've over and over again.

The opening contest, Frank Lane versus Prince Iuquea. The second contest Cocoa Samoa versus Jack Hart For a title I will not name Tyree Pride versus Rip Oliver Blackjack Mulligan and Kendall Windham

versus Mahas Singh in the Purple Hays A bull rope match Barry Windham versus Kevin Sullivan In the main event A lumberjack match $5,000 appearance bond

Wahoo McDaniel versus Lex Lugar Oh well we are definitely in the state of Florida and some interesting names there Frank Lane was not Cowboy Frankie Lane

but it was a guy that used to work as Frank Lancaster Prince the prince was the king curtis's son or was it his nephew he was in the family wasn't it it may be rocky i may be his son i'm not sure there's no picture in here cocoa samoa was the miniature jimmy snooka that it worked as saboo the wild man in memphis in 1983 82 and 83 uh the original saboo uh but most of the time he was cocoa samoa he was often a baby face but

but he was great body, curly hair, the snooka look, but only like 5'6. But Jack Hart was Barry Horowitz. Tyree Pride was the champion of the Bahamas, and they used him in Florida because they ran the Bahamas, and if they put him on the television, he'd be even that much bigger over there, pun intended, because he was like,

what Tyree Pride was like 175 pounds back, when that kind of thing wasn't done, wasn't he? Am I remembering correctly? He was not a bigger guy, and I don't remember him wrestling too many places other than where he wrestled. Rip Oliver, of course, mostly known for the Northwest

and Don Owen's promotion, Portland, and he was the guy that Billy Jack brought with him to Dallas that was featured in the Billy Jack dark side of the ring. And, of course, Blackjack and, of course, Blackjack and, Kindle, that narrows down the year here just a bit, as does our main event, which we'll get to. And Barry Windham being on a card against Kevin Sullivan. And then the Lumberjack match with Wahoo and Lugar, that puts it, Lugar didn't start until

85 and he was in Crockett by 87. so that really narrows our time frame. And from the size of this card and the names on it, even though they weren't doing super business at that point, this was right before Crockett bought Florida. So I'm going to say 1986. And is it Miami? is it St. Petersburg, is it Jacksonville?

Let's go with Miami in 1986. The date Friday, November 29th, 1986. Fault Lauderdale, Florida, the War Memorial Auditorium. Son of a bitch. I was 30 miles off. The front page is Abu Dene awaits within what new madness has come upon the Prince of Darkness and his followers what secrets that Kevin Sullivan learn on his visit to a remote South Sea Island location which was once thought to be

a land of paradise that's some tortured grammar male chauvinous pig of the month Maha Singh Big Gloria tells all November is drawing to a close and of course November is the month in which Thanksgiving occurs. Thanksgiving Day is traditionally celebrated by having turkey for dinner, which reminds me that there is one turkey who probably didn't get invited to dinner by anyone.

I'm talking about Bob Rupp, also known as Ma Singh. The reason why Rup probably ate Thanksgiving dinner out of a brown paper bag these many years is that nobody likes him. One of the reasons why nobody likes him is that he's a male chauvinist. pig and a turkey who is also a pig really does have problems. Thus, it seems particularly appropriate that the male chauvinist pig of the month for November be none other than the one who combines the attributes of both barnyard creatures, Bob Rup. Well, there it is another fun, successful edition of guest to program. And of course, Jim,

I just always found Rup a little sour. but I didn't know that he was both a pig and a turducken or whatever the fuck. But yes, Brian. Hold on. What do you make of the fact that he wasn't brought in, or, you know, around this period of time or an 87 at all? Because so many of the people who were working for Florida, Dusty would bring in, Barry Windham, Lex Sluagra.

Again, those are young main eventors, but Kevin Sullivan would make it up there. Rup never made it out of Florida again. Why do you think that is? Well, do you remember that when they, when Crockett took over the Atlanta office in 85, Rup was there? And Rup worked for a brief period of time on the, continued working for Crockett in what summer, fall of 85 on the West Virginia towns. We were going in the Ohio towns and et cetera. And then that's when Rup went somewhere else. I can't remember.

And yet I never saw Rup again. I think besides the fact that he was getting a little older and a little fleshier at that point, he was just so goddamn unexciting and also so dreary to me. It was like he was always just, we called Bobby and Dennis and I called him droopy roop. We'd see him in the hotel lobby, you know, a morning we're about to leave for a town. Morning, Bob? Morning boys.

you know and plus he i believe that because slater had been the booker for for the Atlanta end when crockett first absorbed that and dusty you know relieved him of that i think rupe thought he was going to get in the office i don't think dusty wanted rupe in the office and i think they parted ways something like that yeah i don't know what that relationship was like they were both big stars in florida i once asked a wrestler and i won't use their name about Bob Rup, like, why wasn't he a bigger star or whatever? And the answer I was given was, nobody wanted a chubby Jack Briscoe. You know what that means, Jim? It's time to start getting ready for the end of the show. But before we get there, as promised, so guess the

program for the listeners. I get the opportunity here to prove my knowledge by you blindly, blindly reading me a card and me being able to tell you the year and the location of self-same aforesaid card without ever having known the knowledge in advance. That is correct. These are programs from my personal collection. Before I file them away, I have them here in a folder, and I wait until we do guess the program, and then I hit you with some of them at least. And then you try to make me look bad.

But me with my borderline mystical way, will divine this answer. See, there are some that are on the face of it. You would think that's pretty easy, but I guess when you try to narrow it down to time, it could be more difficult. For this next one, Jim, I'm going to give you, I don't expect you have a problem with the location,

but let's see if you can figure out when. The opening contest, is that the opening contest or the main event? Oh, opening contest, beat the television champion, Iceman King Parsons, versus, versus Johnny Tatum. Okay. A midget match.

Cowboy Lane versus Pepper Gonzalez. That should be Lang, by the way. Cowboy Lang. The next contest? Oh, Battle of the Northeast. Jim Powers 240 out of New York

versus Jack Victory 260 out of New Jersey. The next contest, Mike Reed, from Dallas, versus killer Tim Brooks and the main event Kerry Von Erick and the Great Kabuki

versus one man gang and maniac Mark Lewin. Good Lord. Well, this is world-class wrestling, the Von Erick area. And seeing King

Parsons, but I guess he was, basically what I'm beating around the bush and saying is one would think this was the early 80s, but with some of the names involved, but this I'm believing is one of the attempted, not rehashes, but revivals, perhaps, of world class or Dallas or Texas rasslin or whatever and it would be at the sportatorium but did they bring these guys back in like 88 89 because it just doesn't like there like I said there's some early 80s names here that would have worked world class but not on the same card with some of these other guys and I don't know who the fuck Mike Reese. is, is this some sportatorium card from 1988?

The Will Rogers Coliseum. Okay, Fort Worth. August 5th, 1985. 85? You just left out like a week ago. Well, what the fuck? Okay. When we left, we left, what did?

is this. August 5th, 1985, Will Rogers Coliseum. Okay, we left July, my last show was July the 4th, the midnight left July the 1st. So a month later, King Parsons wasn't in the territory, John Tatum

wasn't in the territory, Jim Powers wasn't in the territory, Killer Brooks wasn't in the territory, and Mark Lewin wasn't in the territory. Iceman King Parsons wasn't in the territory. Iceman King Parsons wasn't in the territory while you were there?

I don't think he was still there. Maybe I'm wrong. Kabuki had just come back. Gang was there. But yeah, Lou and Brooks, whoever the fuck Reed is, Powers, and Tatum were all

brand new guys in the previous four weeks. I would have never guessed that in a million years. Five matches, three referees. Lubbich, David Manning, and Rick Hazard. This Friday, the Sportatorium, Dallas, Mike versus Gino, Kevin versus Chris,

World Six Man Champs versus Kabuki, Casey, and Iceman. All right, that's one program. Let's get our next one here. A pack show. Jim, the

first bout, 30-minute time limit. Ignacio Martinez out of Mexico. Versus Vic Brel out of Los Angeles, Senior Martinez has done a good job of late, protecting his title as the first Matt Caballero of all Mexico. It says it like that. Mexico, M-A-Y-H-E-E-E-O.

I wish he'd have done that good a job protecting the tapes when he was Pedro years later. Tonight, he meets a tough ombre from the football field in Mr. Borel. The second bout, 30-minute time limit, Rube Wright, versus Dick Rains out of Texas. He was a tough son of a gun, was Rube Wright, but Dirty Dick Rains was more than able to take care of himself. I bet that one was a stem winder.

You can bet all the T in China that a Texan will win this match. Unless it ends in a draw, of course. Here are the two best grapplers developed in the Lone Star State. The third bout, 30-minute time limit, Terry McGinnis at a Texas, versus Carl Davis at a Texas. Here's another sensational tussle

featuring two former cowboys, Carl Davis and Terry McGinnis. The latter recently returned from a successful tour from Australia and is looking for new laurels here in the future. Strictly a toss-up match. The fourth bout, a team match, Jules Strongbow, Oklahoma,

and Rudy Laditsi, out of New York, versus Vic Christie, California, and Ed Payson, Ohio. The undefeated dirty duo, Strongbo and Laditsy, seemed to be up against it tonight. Christy and Payson,

a couple of Frank Marywells, figure to give them plenty to think about, provided they have something to think with. Wow. The fifth bout? Three Falls, 45-minute time limit. Iron Mike Missouri. At a New York versus Lee Wyckoff at a Missouri. A fortunate break for Missouri occurred when Tallinn the Titan ran out on his match with Wycoff.

Talon has left for parts unknown rather than tackle Wyckoff on the map. Rather than put up with more payoffs like he's been getting. Lee has been getting tough breaks in his recent bouts. None of the boys want to play with him. And finally, Jim, the sixth bout, three falls one-hour time limit. Everett Marshall, Colorado, versus K.O. Coveley.

California Here's a match The fans have been asking for Coverley makes his first appearance since his recent suspension by the commission for a bit of rough stuff Marshall is rated tops Both as a wrestler

And the man He has the warmest admirers of any grappler in the game If Coverley tosses Marshall He's in line for a bout With in quotes G-Me J-E-E-M-Y Londos.

Jimmy, the Greek accent, Jim Lundas. And that was our main event. And at first, with the Texas representation, one would have thought that that would have been down in the Lone Star State,

but then we started branching out with names like Jewel Strongbow, Vic Christie. Mike Mazzerkey is a somewhat of a giveaway. and obviously Ignacio Martinez would be Pedro Martinez, who would be the promoter of the NWF out of Buffalo

and have a interest in Madison Square Garden in the 50s and that territory and his son Ron with the PM film and tape company is why we have a bunch of this stuff that still exists. Rube Wright and Dirty Dick Raines were both old-timers from Texas, as was crippler Carl Davis, but Jules Strongbow would later on become the Booker matchmaker and the TV host

for the Los Angeles television program. Vic Christie and his brother Ted were big in California for years. Mike Mazzurkey was a wrestler before he became the well-known television character actor. And by the early 1950s he was almost exclusively doing television roles and maybe main events and a few major

markets. Everett Marshall. Thes beat Marshall for one of his six NWA titles, didn't he? Or one of his six world titles. This has got to be the Olympic Auditorium. And it's in the 1940s. and my only thought is 19, I'm just going to pick something. Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, 1946. The date, October 23rd, 1940.

Ah! The Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California, priced 10 cents. There's an article here. Talon skips town. Biggest news of. Rent and wrestling circles this week is the unscheduled departure of Tallinn the Titan for parts unknown, to avoid a meeting with Lee Wyckoff tonight. The contract was signed a week ago by Stanislaus Zabisco, Talon's manager,

and at the time, he expressed his delight at the prospect of letting Talon tackle Wycalf. The match was the result of a hot foot administered by Talon to Wycowh, while the ladder lay slumbering peacefully on the rubbing table in the dressing room. Let's stop there, because there's a pre-TV and pre-radio. Well, this should say pre-radio, but pre-TV angle. Is it angle? A hot foot on the massage table. Well, yeah, and now the guy's pierced, so he wants to fight.

It took the combined efforts of Nick Lutes and myself to keep Wyckoff from braining the Polish giant, with a plumber's wrench. Lee was boiling mad, as you might understand, if you've ever been given a hot foot, either asleep or awake. The first notice I got of Talon's departure came yesterday in the form of a telegram

from Mr. Stan Zabisco, informing me that he and Talon were en route to Omaha. Fortunately for all concerns. They left L.A. by Omaha. Fortunately for all concerned, there was a first-rate substituted hand, Iron Mike Missouri, who electrified the fans two weeks ago by his sensational showing against Mr. Wyckoff in a handicap match. Iron Mike has been doing some brilliant work on the mat. Ever since his

first match with Wycough, he has been pleading for another crack at the Missouri Wizard. Tonight, he gets his chance. From a wrestling standpoint, the match figures to be more attractive than Wycough against Talon. For Missouri is more scientific than the Palish Samson. If Missouri tosses... Didn't they say Palish? Palish. Not Polish. It's P-A-L-I-S-H. I think that's a misprint.

Or they're trying to mess with the guy. I don't know. If Missouri tosses Wyckoff tonight, he moves up into the big leagues, becomes a steady main eventer hereabouts, and is in line for a match with Mr. Jim Lundas for the World's Heavyweight Championship. These are some of the things that make a wrestling promoter prematurely old that bring out the gray hairs on a man. But it wasn't my fault.

It was something over which I had no control, and I beg that you, my friends, take the circumstances into consideration in your judgment of the situation. However, Lee Wyckoff is going to get a square shake in this arena, as long as I'm the promoter here. I'm going to see to it that he gets everything that's coming to him, even including a match with Mr. Jimmy Londos himself for the title, a match that Wyckoff has long been entitled. Wow, and it's not signed, but who would have been promoting in 40?

Was it Lou Darrow or was it someone else? I think it may have been Lou Darrow, old Carnation Lou. So what do you think of this? You know, the promoter writing and editorial, for lack of a better term, in his own program, to explain why someone who was going to be in the main event wasn't there. Well, and that's, and Talon, Vladislal Talon, is who he worked as in a number of places, was, you know, the foreign menace with Zabisco and his, corner, that would have been a big deal at that point in time in Los Angeles because in 1940s

Obisco was still a big deal. But he's obviously the promoter here trying to, you know, put to blame on them because it wasn't my fucking fault that I couldn't, you know, provide this match for you because they left town. So this will be better anyway. Yeah, and it wasn't a phone call. Obviously, there are no cell phones or anything. A telegram. So by the time you get the telegram, we're on our way to Omaha. There's no getting them at that point. Well, I don't even know if there was a telegram, to be honest with you. They may have just heard, yeah, they left town, checked out of the hotel, said they were

going to go work Omaha. Well, fuck it. We'll just, you know, we'll make something up. All right, Jim, this next one here, there's actually a newspaper clipping attached, so we'll get to that afterwards. Time limit events, one fall. Sandar-CoVex versus Steve Stanley. Ace Freeman versus Gene Dubuque.

Tag team match. I think they left out two. It just says, out of three falls. Miguel Perez and Tony Martinelli versus Ludwig von Krupp and Paul Berger. Tag team match, two out of three falls. Marvin Mercer and Chief Bigheart. Atomic Marvin Mercer.

Versus John Tolus and Chris Tolus. And the final contest here, to a finish. Antonino Rocca versus Dr. Jerry Graham. By the way, it has the results written in here. It says who won each match. It says to a finish. And next to it, it says draw. To a finish.

That was the finish, the draw. Oh, my God. I got a... Sandor Kovacs was a wrestler before he was a promoter and he was noted for promoting, at least in the Pacific Northwest. Steve Stanley

was the brother of Gene Stanley, the Stanley brothers, they're the blonde tag team in the 50s. Ace Freeman after he wrestled was the promoter in Pittsburgh. Ludwig Krupp, would that have been

Killer Carl Krupe in a very early incarnation? or... I don't know just because of what this is. I don't know if he did wrestle that long, I'd be surprised. Well, but I would be surprised. Or is that didn't Malenko work early on as Otto Krupp? I think you...

And what was Kroop's partner here? Who was Krupp's partner here? It was Ludwig von Kroop and Paul Berger. Yeah, we don't know who the fuck Paul Berger is. Miguel Perez and Tony Martinelli makes me think that we're back in the northeast, as does Chief Bigheart and the Tolos brothers at one point in time and Marvin Mercer would have also been working in the northeast.

But the biggest tip-off is Raka and Jerry Graham. I think we're in another one of your goddamn New Jersey towns, possibly, but we're in the northeast and if it's Raca and Jerry Graham if Eddie was on the card that would narrow it down to 58 through 60 but Jerry had a couple of ins and outs with Perez and Raca being split up

that means it's a smaller market even though they're still on the same card this is either a small town in New Jersey or possibly Pennsylvania in 1960 What are you doing to me? I'm sorry.

I was going to say 1960 or 61, but now it sounds like it's going to be 1959. So tell me what the fuck. Very impressive. How you got? I didn't expect you to get the town, but you got close enough. The Patterson Armory,

Patterson, New Jersey, which was a regular town for a Willie. Gilzenberg. And the hometown of Lou Costello. December 27th, 1957. Ah! Fifteen cents for the program. If you open it up, there's a big picture here of Tony Martinelli. And advertisements on the back for the next car, January 4th at Teaneck. Edward Carpontier versus Dr. Jerry Graham, two out of three falls, Tolest brothers, Miguel Perez, other stars you see on TV.

And this was Jerry Graham. and he was still a single before Eddie. And this is, what, a month after the Madison Square Garden riot. So here's the article that's attached to it, written by the United Press. Patterson Police Help Wrestlers. The bloody wrestling feud of Antinino Argentina Raqa and Jerry Dr. Graham ended in a no-decision last night when police ejected the two bleeding fighters from the ring, amidst rioting by fanatical fans.

At least a score of policemen escorted Graham and Raka from the Patterson Armory after a 22-minute bout in which the two angry fighters refused to stop a slug fest. The regulation 11 p.m. curfew halted the contest. Police sergeant Arthur Laro said,

the 2,000-person crowd, which he estimated as, quote, about half Puerto Rican went wild when they saw the blood on rough belting blonde Jerry Graham. They surged into the ring while police

threw up a fast cordon and half carried the fighters from the armory. The frantic crowd ripped Laro's coat with a sharp instrument and jostled the grim-faced. cop. Excuse me,

cops, more than one. The bout had been sponsored by the patrolman's benevolent association. Differences between Graham and Rocca

who canceled a long-planned holiday to sign for the bout stemmed from a slugfest in Madison Square Garden a few weeks

ago. The bout also ended in a riot. The two wrestlers were subsequently fined $1,000 each by the

New York State Athletic Commission The fight last night was promoted by Willie Gilsenberg, Thomas J. Babe Coleman, both of Newark, and Charlie Hoffman of Union City, New Jersey. Jesus Christ. Jerry Graham loved that shit, didn't he? Okay, yeah, let's start our riot. It's just so interesting because it's probably,

not that there haven't been worse riots, but I would say it's probably the most famous riot, wouldn't you say? The Madison Square Garden Ride in 57? Yeah, from the newspaper coverage that got, that it got, and the number of people that were at it and the lasting repercussions that it had in a major state and a major market changing, you know, the rules of nobody under 14 could go to a wrestling match in Madison Square Garden for the next, what, 16 years. It was always said that Nick DeBruser was banned, but I don't think he really was. I didn't know he wasn't he used that to help his image I think there may be the the truth that was in it was that he just didn't pay the fucking fine so that's why he was banned if there was if there was any truth in it it was that because he was legitimately fine but

he's like fuck this shit well here we are a month after that riot and they started up again and it was the same thing I think you hear about the Madison Square Garden riot. You know, the fans were really into it. It's a hot crowd, a Puerto Rican crowd, but they love Raca. They see blood. They go crazy. Now, the story there was, it was, I think Dr. Jerry Graham made Raca bleed. Yes, which that was even worse. And also, the story, and there's somewhat credence to it, is that Raca didn't know he's going to bleed until Jerry Graham came up with it. And that was, I'm sure that was even more of a natural reaction that flipped to people out. Well, the way they said it here was,

Jerry Graham just started bleeding and then the fans like, get him. They just started searching the ring when he was bleeding. Well, a lot of times it would be like that in those days when they would be wanting to see the heel get it, want to see the heel get it. Now, he's bleeding. Yeah, we've got him. He's weak. He's vulnerable.

Let's all join in. You know, shit's hot when they're starting riots at the policeman show. It's not like, I think we'll get away with this. There's cops everywhere. Getting stabbed by the fans. Hey, at least it was at some places down south, the cops would be on the fucking people's side and turn on the boys. Oh, man.

All right, Jim, let's get another program. That's when Schultz got Higgerson and Condry out of that building in Nova Scotia. That's what had happened. They were just up there for the fucking season or whatever. Here are these local cops. They put their hands on their guns, and they weren't going to let him get out of the fucking ring. Here came Schultz with the hockey stick.

Jim, our next program here. The first bout, 20-minute time limit one fall. Warren Bockwinkle versus Stu Gibson. The second match, 20-minute time limit one fall. Fred Davis versus Frank Taylor. The third match, 30-minute time limit, one fall. Barney the Chest Bernard versus Al Lovelock. I'm sorry, say that again, I cut you off.

I just chest, Bernard. He had the big chest he'd throw out there. And Al Lovelock later to become the Great Bolo. And now we have a double main event. One hour time limit, one fall. Wild Bill Longson versus Lord Athol Leighton. And the second of the two main events, a handicapped tag match, one hour time limit, two out of three falls.

Volatic Kowalski. if that is indeed how you pronounce it, Vladic. W-L-A-D-E-K, right? That's right. Versus Enrique Torres and Mike Mazzirke. And here are the conditions of the tag match. I'll give you this. Kowalski agrees to pin Torres or Missouri twice within 60 minutes.

Partners may change at their discretion, and one fall will not disqualify any participant, including Kowalski. If two falls, however, are charged against Kowalski, he loses the bout. Or if Roddick gains two falls against the Torres-Mezerky team, the Polish giant wins. So, two out of three falls. All righty then. Warren Bokwinkle, the father of Nick Bokwinkle,

Stu Gibson, by the way, was from Louisville, Kentucky. And he worked here a lot, especially during the early 50s and mid-50s, when there was still a local promotion here. Fred Davis and Frank Taylor, we don't know. Chest Bernard, Al Lovelock,

journeyman performers, Al Lovelock would later work under a mask as the great Bolo, Wild Bill Longson, we know, from being one of the biggest box office attractions in the history of the business. Lord Layton was the not only a wrestler, but then later on became the announcer for the Sheeks' heyday in Toronto.

Kowalski, having a handicap match with Enrique, Torreys, and Mike Mazzurkey, we just talked about Missouri. With Stu Gibson being from Louisville, with Warren Bockwinkle being from St. Louis, with Longson being on the card, and with Kowalski being in a handicapped match, as they phrased it,

and the way that St. Louis used to do handicapped matches, one makes me think that this is a very obscure and old Kiel Auditorium card, from the late 1940s, and I'm just trying to remember what the earliest year was that Kowalski would have worked St. Louis, and I may be way off anyway,

and you've probably thrown a ringer in on me, but St. Louis Keel Auditorium 1947, the card, Friday night, March 14th, 1952, What? 8.30 p.m. at the Keele Auditorium, St. Louis, Missouri. God damn it. That late. It's a fascinating card.

You know, there's a long, interesting history of handicapped matches in St. Louis. You know, a territory that didn't really have gimmick matches, didn't really have gimmicks. Even guys who had gimmicks when they came in, other than Dick the Bruiser, did to change what they were doing. but they had a lot of handicapped matches over. And I shouldn't say a lot, but, you know, when David von Erick first got over, it was in a handicap match. You know, it's not like a new thing.

It was something that for 30 years they used as an interesting mechanism because no other territory really used it the same way. But this, and this was actually different than what they did a lot of times because a lot of times the handicapped match was Brian Last versus Jim Cornett. and Mr. Met, the mascot, but I would have, basically you'd have to beat one and then the other within the hour time limit. It wasn't like two against one or tagging in and out.

This is a little different. And because Kowalski at the time was the Andre the giant, kind of of wrestling, being six foot seven and 275 with an incredible physique back then, he was one of the biggest guys to business. So, but you're right, the handicapped match in St. Louis was always used with main event guys involved. It wasn't like, okay, I'm going to fight this guy and his manager. And as you said, the way that Kevin got over, it was a handicap match with the Harley, right, against Kevin and was it Kevin and Fritz?

I was going to say, I thought it was David and Fritz, but. Or what it would, David, I'm sorry. But point being, Fritz never gotten a match. They were attuned to think, okay, the guy at the handicap will beat the first and the world champion will beat the first guy, but then he may lose to the second one. But in that case, the second one never even got in the ring because the first one won the handicapped match. And that's the way they made him a star. So anyway, I knew it was St. Louis.

I didn't think it was that late because just some of those. names, that doesn't seem like a card big enough for what St. Louis was doing at that period of time. And by the way, here are the ticket prices. Ringside rose 1 to 12 center, $3.5 to 12 off center, 225, rose 13 to 26 in Section C, a dollar 50, and 13 to 21 in Section A, the courtesy seats, 75 cents. Loj's Loge 9 through 22 the center $2.25.

Loge 1 to 3 and 23 to 32 off center $1. Mezzanine. Sections 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, $2.25. Sections 3, 4, 11, and 12, $1.50, 13, and $14 a dollar. Sections 1, 2, 15, and 16 in the courtesy seats,

75 cents. It was a big fucking building with a lot of different price levels in those days. Front balcony, all sections, $1. General admission, 75 cents. Tickets go on sale 7 o'clock the night of the show. Hold on here. And by the way, $3 for ringside,

basically the lead story of that. There were a lot of places in the country still that we're only doing, you know, $1.50 or $2. ring set at that point and $3 in 1952 equals $32.58 says today. So it was still only a $30 ring side and that was somewhat expensive. I think the garden was only up to four at that point, right? You may be right.

You may be right. They were doing sellouts of Madison Square Garden in the early 50s with a $50-something,000 house. So there you go. This next one here, the opening contest, one fall 30-minute time limit. Jimmy Mitchell versus Sunny Kerges, a special event, one fall or 30-minute time limit. Dr. Lee Grable versus brother Frank Jarrah's. Jers. Jers.

I always get that wrong. His son, too. Frank Jers's son, Joe Jers, is the one that wrote. Whatever happened to Gorgeous George, the wrestling book in the early 70s that was like the only book about the inside of the business existing for years and years. And then the finals of an elimination tournament. One fall 30-minute time limit or referee's decision. The winners of these two matches will meet in the main event, which will have a 45-minute time limit, two out of three falls or referee's decision. and the two matches are Ray Eckert versus Jack Witzig

and Bobby Managoff versus Tiger Joe Marsh winner to meet Luthes. Did you get this from the Ray Eckert estate? I actually am not certain about this one because there's another giveaway here for just a collection I bought. So I may have or I may not have. Well, Ray Eckert, whoever administrated his things here not long ago, I got a bunch of stuff he had from the collection of Memphis programs from the 50s and St. Louis in excellent condition and pictures and et cetera.

A point being Jim Mitchell, the Black Panther, I take it at this time frame. That is correct, although it says Jimmy Mitchell, but he is a- Jimmy Mitchell, but Jim Mitchell, the Black Panther from Louisville against whoever the fuck he was wrestling, I don't know. Dr. Lee Grable was a hypnotist. and that's why he was a doctor and he hypnotized people to somewhat do his bidding brother frank jares was the he was a mormon from salt lake salt lake city brother frank ray ecord we just talked about he was a baby face for recognized baby face for years and years uh bobby managoff was a former world champion of some recognized ignition and yeah one in

Houston Tiger Joe Marsh has another one of the California-based guys that you see in a lot of the 60s TV shows

along with Count Billy Varga and Gene LaBelle and those guys that were doing parts and TV and stunt work and stuff so we're back in

California and I know because I have one of Jim Mitchell's booking books where he kept his records, we've talked about that, that he was in California a couple of times in the late 40s, the riot with Gorgeous George when he wrestled him in the Olympic Auditorium,

and I think he went, either that was his second run, he'd been there before or vice versa. But you're trying to fuck me around here. This is California again. I would think it's the Olympic Auditorium, but who knows, it could be Long Beach, but picking a, a year.

Frank Jair's had a run in Tennessee and was Southern Junior Heavyweight champion in the late 50s, but this has got to be before that. Olympic Auditorium 1949. I don't know. I'm going to be off on the year. The date, August 1st, 1953. The Civic Auditorium Honolulu, Hawaii.

Well, son of a bitch. Well, but they were getting talent from California. And I have the follow-up card here, August 9th, 53, just to complete this, Tiger Joe Marsh versus Alwaga Mayava. Is that Nef Mayava? That would have been Nef Mayava, right? The first Samoan superstar. I believe that's exactly who it is, and that's in the opening match, one fall 20-minute time

limit. Special event, one fall 30-minute time limit, Jack Wittsig versus Sunny Kerges, semi-final, one fall 30-minute, Pacific Coast champ Ray Eckert versus Brother Frank Jair's main event, world's heavyweight title two out of three falls to a finish, no time limit. Lou Thess versus Bobby Manigoff. So it's the same guys as the previous week, except they brought Thess in to defend the title. Yeah. And they would have guys come over for several weeks or a couple months or whatever because they couldn't especially 70 years ago it wasn't convenient to fly back and forth and thaz has talked about in his book that he would go over for like a working vacation if he defended the title once in the main event and got paid

and got a trip over there he would stay in Hawaii for fucking five days or whatever and would that have been Al Karazik the promoter at that point or was that before him that is correct as Al Karasik. So, yeah, that was a sweet deal for the champion in those days. Yeah, the reason I don't know exactly where I got it is I've been buying up as many old, especially from the 50s, but really anything, old Hawaii programs, because I feel like to still not a lot known. And, you know, you could always find little hidden tidbits in these programs about

who's feuding with who in real life. What auto dealer pissed off the promoter. You can just find all sorts of weird shit in these programs. But I also have one somewhere from the year before. It's one of my favorites. It's Lufez's first appearance in Hawaii, and it's the first World Heavyweight Championship match in Hawaii, and it has the ticket stub, too.

So that one's cool. Let's go to this card here, Jim. On its face, it may seem easy, but I guess it's about date more than anything. Boy, today it is. Opening contest, C.V. Afi, or Siva Afi, versus Tony Bourne.

The next contest, Joe Lightfoot versus Matt Bourne. Third contest The Destroyer versus Terry Allen A tag bout Stan Stasiak and Tiny Anderson

versus Buzz Sawyer and Hacksaw Sawyer The final preliminary bout Or Hack as he was known to his friends Rip Oliver versus Steve Regal and the main event a double championship bout

I will not name the titles although I don't think that's going to be a hard thing for you Jay Youngblood versus Playboy Buddy Rose well obviously we are a Don Owen promotion potentially in the Portland sports arena but let's just take a look at this for a second

with Matt Bourne and Tony Borg Tony Boren was from the area and the last tie this would be one of his last matches I assume because he wouldn't have worked much longer and Matt at the same time had not been working too long

save the Joe Lightfoot Seva Afi Stan Stajak the Sawyer brothers they all spent time in Portland Rip Oliver was there for years, Steve Regal went briefly, obviously during this time, Jay Youngblood, Buddy Rose. The only thing that helps me narrow it down specifically is Terry Allen. And we know that Magnum was in

mid-south by late 1983, and he had already worked Florida at that point, but this was, I think, think where he spent some time here right after he broke in and then right before he went to Florida. And my God, it's either 81 or 82, it's got to be. And I'm thinking because of where Steve Regal was in 82, he was here in the Memphis territory during the summer and was working. for Bruiser also because in that fall because I was on

cards with him. So unless it's very early 1982, I've got to say this is 1981 in the Portland Sports Arena. Uh-oh. Jim Saturday, May 16th, 1981, the Portland Sports Arena. John Owen presents.

Jesus, finally. Your referee, Sandy Bar, also there's an ad here for bar printing, stationary posters and flyers, business cards as low as $15. Also, there's an ad here. Sandy bars flea market. Every Sunday at the Portland Sports Arena, tables are $5 each. I've got some of his flea market promotional flyers also.

Jim, this next card, the opening event, Honeyboy Hanigan versus Frank Thompson. Okay. The semi-final, two out of three falls. one hour time limit. Tex Riley versus Blackjack Dylan. And the main event, two out of three falls, one hour time limit. Chief Bigheart versus El Toro. Good Lord.

Now you're just fucking with me, right, to end this thing. I don't have any idea who the first two guys are. Tex Riley, or call him by his Christian name, Alvin Tex Riley was one of the most popular baby faces in the Goulos Welch, Tennessee territory in the 1940s and 50s. And he was one of Roy Welch's go-to guys, you know, Roy and Herb Welch, Pat Malone, Tex Riley, Wild Bill Canny, Charlie Kean, that crew, and he was killed before his time. Was he killed or did he have a heart attack?

of thing. I think maybe he had a heart attack. I actually don't know. Black Jack Dylan was not James J. Dylan. And Chief Bigheart was a famous, you know, Native American Indian gimmick wrestler, but he wrestled everywhere

in El Toro. Jesus Christ. Birmingham, Alabama in 1951. How about that? That is a guess. That is for sure. I don't fucking have any idea. Thursday, June 10th,

1954, Columbus, the Arena. Son of a bitch. And by the way, coming soon, Jerry Graham, the hypnotist, and Freddie Blassie

and many other well-known wrestlers in the nephew. And Jerry Graham was a hypnotist like Dr. Lee Grable. Just Graham practiced in Ohio while

Grable was practicing out in California or whatever, but Chief Bigheart Bobby Fulton loved him some Chief Bigheart, and he was a big name for Al Haft and the whole Ohio territory. But Tex Riley, to me, is out of place on an Al Haft card.

So that's wild. All right, Jim, this will either be our last or one of the last, but maybe the last we'll see. The opening contest, Gordon Nelson versus Skip Young. Tony Marino versus Bob Ellis. Steve Kern versus the Great Mephisto For a tag championship I will not name

Jack and Jerry Briscoe versus Ziggfried Stanky and Ox Baker For a championship I will not name Paterson versus Mike Graham And a lights out match Ivan Koloff and Buddy Wolf

versus Eddie Graham and Dusty Road. What a card. We are in championship wrestling from Florida. As soon as you said Gordon Nelson and Skip Young, Gordon Nelson not only was a very accomplished shooter, but was a pro for years and worked and trained guys. And I think a referee later in Florida,

Skip Young would later become the masked sweet brown sugar. Then you said Tony Marino and Bob Ellison, And I was like, what the fuck? Maybe this is a Puerto Rico thing from the late 70s. But then I remember that Tony Marino did spend some time in Florida. And Bob Ellis, this was after 1977, where he had been to Tennessee and maybe around the same time he was working or about to work, Puerto Rico. Steve Kern of the great Mephisto, Mephisto was Frankie Cain.

the Brisco brothers against Stanky and Ox Baker, Mike Graham, Paterson, Eddie, and Dusty. I mean, it's Florida. The question is the year. And I think with Eddie still in the ring, Stanky and Ox teamed up, Bob Ellis on the card, Buddy Wolf in the main event,

it's, we're in Florida. I don't know whether it's, It could be Miami It could be Tampa And it's 1978 All right

Jim Tuesday June 7th 1977 Tampa Florida So at least you got the right state Tampa Florida baby I was six months off

Six months off You know one more Let me still have a good one here Maybe he's all over the place Maybe I don't. All right, let me go to this one. We'll end with this one. The one that's not good.

Well, that way I can get this out of my file. I have a pretty fat file here. Get it out of your system. Opening contest, Black Demon versus Thomas Marin. Plus, Juan Caruso versus Joe Krugnally. Good Lord. Plus Arnold Skolland versus Joe Turko. That's who I thought you were going to say Joe Schmidlap here a minute ago.

Plus Chuck O'Connor versus Mike Conrad. An extra added, Flying Fred Curry, a new favorite, versus L. Olympica, white-masked foe. A bonus attraction Gorilla Monsoon 4001 pound great versus the spoiler rough, vicious For the world tag team championship

Two falls out of three Mr. Fuji and Professor Toru Tanaka The Champions versus Chief Jay Strongbow and Sunny King X champions And the main event for a world championship I will not name.

Pedro Morales, the champion, versus George Steele, the animal. Good Lord. Well, if it's not the garden, maybe it's the spectrum, or actually were they in the spectrum that early in the 70s? Maybe it was the Philadelphia Arena. Maybe it's the Boston Garden. Thomas Marin, I used to,

what I first saw his name in writing, I thought, doing all the way up there. Arnold Scholland obviously tips off that it is the northeast and Joe Turco, longtime WWWF job guy. Chuck O'Connor would later on be Big John Stud, but because he's Chuck O'Connor here, this narrows it down to the 1973 to 1976 window

because didn't he become well they did the thing with the masked captain USA thing in Texas but he became John Studd in Texas in 77 I think didn't he Wild Bull Curry on a major card for the record it was flying Fred Curry

I'm sorry flying Fred Curry I just wrote Curry Flying Fred Curry and El Olympico again we're looking at 73-ish time period, the monsoon and the spoiler, wasn't the spoiler Don Jardine on the same, in the territory at the same time that they let Mascaris be the first

masked wrestler, but Jardine still had to wear an open-faced mask? It is correct that Moscaris was the first mass wrestler and the spoiler was not allowed to be masked. And that would have, Strongbow and Sonny King, the ex-champions. Spoiler being their Morales and George the Animal Steel for the title that you wouldn't name. It's either 1972 or 1973.

I'm going to go. Good Lord. I've been fucking up the dates. I'm going to say this is the garden. Fuck it. And I'm going to say it's 19. Well, Jim, it is the garden. The Boston Garden.

Saturday night, August 12th, 1972. So I went against my better instincts and was wrong on both cases after I'd already said both of the other correct answers. Well, on that note, the drive-thru is closed. Wow. That was guessed the program. I'll have to make sure I mark that down. but Jim, before we get out of here, why don't we wrap it up with some guest to program here this week?

Oh, you did. Go ahead and tickle my taint and flick my nipples at the same time. You get me so excited. Metaphorically speaking, of course. Oh, that's right. You can bring some of that metaphor in, too, and smear it all over my body. We're going to start with a couple of our new wrinkles,

and then we'll get to the traditional version of the game here. Ooh, yeah, put it in all the wrinkles, too. Let's try to keep this appropriate for all of our many, child listeners. Jim, I have a program here. Child listeners are those who are just childlike. Jim, the challenge here is I'm only going to give you one match. Oh, God damn. Come on now.

Let me explain. Guess the program, ladies and gentlemen, is where I go through my collection, things in my collection, things I've acquired, things I'm ready to file away. Thanks you've stolen. I have not stolen anything, but what we do is we steal your time. with this silly game. And of course, Jim will guess, based on the card, the town, the location, the arena, the time,

the price of the program. And here, this program only has one match. This program has one match. Okay, so you're not going to, like, make it a habit. Like, I just get one match. This is just an individual thing here. Well, I wasn't going to use it because there's only one match listed. There were other matches on the card I have the lineup here.

But in the program, it only lists one. and then I started thinking about it, could I get it based on just the one match? And then I really started thinking, you know, I wonder if Jim could. Let me give it to you. Okay. For the World Heavyweight Crown. Sanctioned by the National Wrestling Alliance,

Sam Mushnick President, world champion Jack Briscoe, Blackwell, Oklahoma versus Greg Valentine, Challenger, Seattle, Washington. Well, we know that. that it would be between 1973 and 1975,

or Brisco wouldn't be champion. And where would Greg Valentine have been working between 1973 and 1975 and 73? In 73,

in 73, he was probably still Johnny Fargo in the Buffalo territory. or maybe just have finished being that. And Sam Muchnick being president, he didn't, was it 75 that Fritz took over? You know what?

Is this the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles in 1974? Jim, it's the Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California. Friday, April 25th, 1975. God damn it But how was that? That was very good That's exactly what I thought you may be able to do And you pulled it out

You see you were worried Nothing to worry about And of course even if Sam did give up The presidency in 75 If I was correct about that The convention wasn't until September I remember One of the Aptor magazines

Covering a match between Briscoe and Valentine for the NWA title in Los Angeles. It probably was this match. And that flashed in front of my head. And also was that not the place where Valentine first got a singles push as Greg Valentine that he would have been in line for a title match? I think you're right about that.

It's also where I believe he helped cost them their TV, their English-speaking TV. This is a year before the territory would change in a lot of ways. and Roddy Piper comes in and the Guerrero family come in. Here's the rest of the card this night. S.D. Jones defeated Art Mahalick. Mickey Doyle defeated Rex Arnold. Les Thornton defeated Reno Tufuli. Tofouli.

For the America's tag team titles, the Hollywood blondes, Jerry Brown, and Buddy Roberts, defeated Louis Toulay and Dennis Stamp by Desqually. qualification and Jack Briscoe defeated Greg Valentine. And Reno Tufuli was, before Afa and Sika became the wild Samoans, there was a team called the Samoans, which was Tio and Reno and later Tio and Tapu, and they were real Samoans. They also wrestled as the Manchurians, but they got kind of overshadowed. with Alpha and C could come along a few years later.

All righty, L.A. baby. We love L.A. That's a great song, Randy Newman. Jim, this next one, I'm going to give you the card, minus one match. There's one match that I think is a clear giveaway to where this is. Okay. So we're going to take that match out and see if that changes anything. The first event, Doug Summers versus Mike Poppuss. Papus.

The second event, Gene Stevens versus Tom Andrews. The third event we are going to skip. The fourth event, tag team match, the Blue Yankee, and Rico Valentino

versus Ron Starr and Kevin Sullivan. Good Lord. A title match I will not name the championship I will not name. The champion Bob Sweetan versus Ken Lucas and the main event for the World Heavyweight Championship

Harley Race versus Colonel Buck Robly. Good Lord. All righty. Let's figure this one out. Robly, this is not a, I don't think this is a Mid-South card. Well, it's earlier than Mid-South would be anyway,

but Robly was more identified with Mid-South territory, Watts, booking for him, etc. But Robly also worked a lot in the Kansas City territory, in the central states. Bob Sweetan, same thing.

He was noted for being a guy from the mid-south, or being a guy that worked the Mid-South and McGirk territories. But at the same time, he did some, work in the Central States.

Kenny Lucas, this is, what makes me believe that this is an early card, early 70s, or mid-70s, maybe at the latest, is because Mike Pappas is still working. The Flying Greek, Mike Pappas. Doug Summers is in the opening

match. He's probably a rookie. Ron Starr and Kevin Sullivan is a team against the Blue Yankee, and I don't know who Rico Valentino is. But one would think that this is, again, when Kevin Sullivan was a young baby face, Tom Andrews, one of the interns, but he also was from the Kansas City territory. Everything's telling me that this is the Kansas City office, if not Kansas City itself. With Harley defending against Robly, Harley would be, it would either be his first,

brief run or 77 on first. So this is 1977 in Kansas City. The event. Memorial Hall, Kansas City, Kansas. Thursday, June 1st, 1978. Oh, I almost got it. What was the third match? The third match that I thought was a giveaway.

Joe Polarty versus Bulldog Bob Brown. But see, there's certain guys, like, I can get you in a lot of the card, but if I say Bob Brown, you know where it is. Yeah. So we may have to do this every now that we drop out one match to see the real test. Jim, this next card here, do I have a date on it? I do. Do I have a location on it? I do.

Okay. Jim, the card, Miguel Perez and Haystack Calhoun. Good Lord. versus Jerry Graham and Eddie Graham, two out of three falls. Jim Hady versus Luke Graham. All three of the grams involved. Sam Steamboat versus Great Melenko. Michael Barone versus Steve Stanley.

Arnold Scholland versus Golden Terror and the final time limit match listed. Bobo Brazil versus Gene Kineski. Good night. All righty. What a card for one of these Willie Gilsenberg towns up there. We are in the Northeast. We'll try to narrow it down here in a minute.

Miguel Perez and Hastacks Calhoun as a team against the grams. That's a hell of a... This may be a bigger town. I was thinking it was one of the New Jersey's, or the ag halls or whatever. And by the way, for the record, Haystack Calhoun, not Haystacks here in the program. Yeah, well, it depended on dinner as to whether he was as big as a haystack or two.

But when you've got Jerry, Eddie, and Luke Graham on the card, that indicates to me that it's got to be 1964, 65, off the top of my head that it would be Luke's first run in the Northeast and maybe Eddie's last one. Jim Haiti was a journeyman, gentleman Jim Haiti. Sam Steamboat was Ricky Steamboat's namesake. That is Professor Boris Molenko, I would think,

that wrestled as Larry Simon because he, if this was still the late 50s or real early 60s, what would he still be Otto von Krupe? Steve Stanley, the brother of Gene Stamieling, Stanley, the Stanley brothers. He was a major name in the 50s. Arnold Scholar tips it off that that's why I'm thinking it's a Northeastern Spot show because I think we talked about this the last time we played guest to program. He was a preliminary guy at that time, but he may have just been starting,

taking over, checking up to the box office running some of these towns. So that's why he might be on the card. And Bobo Brazil, who was a big goddamn name in the Northeast, wrestling Gene Kineski, who had had a big run in the AWA in the Midwest in the 50s and would win the NWA title in 1966 from Thess, but this is in between those times. There's just so many of the mid-sized towns up there.

I'm going to say somewhere in New Jersey in 1960, The date Friday, November 27th, 1964, the island garden, West Hempstead, Long Island. West Hampstead, Long Island. Okay, I'm sorry, I said Jersey. It was a spot show on the island. There's a nice drawing here on the program of a turkey,

I guess, because it's Thanksgiving time, and there's a tree, an apple tree, and inside each apples, the picture of is Bill Watts, Bruno San Martino, Bobo, Brazil, Arnold Scolin, Vern Gagne. A young Vern Gagna. I don't know what that's doing here in a Cid. But here it is, from Island Garden. A arena that is gone now.

Jim, this next one was a bit of a surprise for me. Let me ask you this one. The opening bout, the return prelim, Bobby Pico versus Terry Daniels. Dennis Stamp versus the lawman. Nick Roberts versus Ted Heath. Good Lord.

The semi-final girls match, Anne Casey versus Natasha. Special referee, USA Women's Champion, Marie Laverne. Natasha was the Hatchet Lady, and Natasha and Beverly Shade were in a women's tag team match in the Louisville Gardens one night. And because the girls only came in every woman. once in a while, Bob Moody, the wacky DJ who was the ring announcer,

didn't know anything about him. So when they got in the ring, he went up to Natasha. And he said, what's your hometown? She said, but fuck Egypt. You got the balls to say it? No, ma'am, from parts unknown, Natasha.

Well, Jim, the main... Anyway, keep going. The main event, Ricky Romero versus Scandar Akbar. Ogie dogy, doggie daddy. This is obviously West Texas. Because the Dennis Stamp, even though Dennis Stamp was

on the card we just, where was the card we just had that Dennis Stamp was on, it was in Kansas City. There's too many other of the usual suspects here. Nick Roberts, Nicola Roberts, Baby Doll's father, would later on be the promoter in Amarillo in Lubbock. Ted Heath was a, a British fire plug of a guy that was

one of the great practitioners of the, you know, the mat wrestling, British world of sport type of stuff, but he has, he's been out of the business and retired for probably around 50 years. Don, the lawman, Slatton, was the local promoter, bail bondsman

and top baby face in, oh, God damn it. What's the town of Abilene? was Slatten and Abilene? Or am I mixing up my Lubbock? No, it wasn't Lubbock. Slatton was, look him up, Google him, because now it's going to bother me. It was not Lubbock.

I'm pretty sure it was Abilene. Where was his Baylebone company? And Ricky Romero, obviously, the biggest baby faces in the West Texas territory, not named Funk, were the Romero family, who were his son. were the young bloods, including Jay. And Skandor Akbar was most known as a manager in Mid-South especially, but this was when he was still a wrestler. And I've got to, I'm going to sit, between Amarillo and Lubbock,

I'm going to flip a coin and say Lubbock in 1975. And you were right about Don Slatton, Abilene. Abilene, Abilene, pretty. town I ever see. This program, Jim, which shocked me actually, just by how the territory had fallen. This is Amarillo, Texas, Thursday, May 14th, 1981. Oh my God, 1981. Okay, in that case, everybody's goddamn retired. What the fuck happened to Amarillo? The Funk's left. Yeah. Well, this is, this is even after Maloney's. and Murdoch though.

Yeah, it is. They bought it, what, 78? Was Ricky Romero running it? Might have been. So there you go. Akbar was coming over as a favor. Romero lived there. Ted, he still lived there.

Like, he wasn't wrestling anywhere else at that time. Nick Roberts lived there. Lawman Slatton lived there. Dennis Stamp lived there. Terry Daniels lived there. Roberto Pico probably popped in whenever he could get a peek. So yeah, that boy, from a once mighty territory with those guys at that age at that time, that's surprising. All right, Jim, one final program here this week.

The opening bout, it looks like a different bout was written in here. The opening bout is billed as being Tony Morelli versus Jack Britton, one fall 20-minute time limit, but written in is Trippy Pasquale versus Lone Eagle Well, Trippy Pasquale don't do no jobs, baby A special event, wrestling dwarves Little Beaver versus Tom Thumb One Fall 30-minute time limit

The semi-wind-up Its build is George Becker versus Kola Quiriani but crossed out as Cola's name and written in as Allie Bay, two out of three falls, 45 minute time limit. And the main event, Argentina Rocca versus Brother Frank Jairs, two out of three falls, one hour time limit. Brother Frank Jair's was the father of Joe Jers

who wrote the book, whatever happened to Gorgeous George in 1973. He was one of the only modern, publications actually sold in a bookstore that gave the inside of the business. As soon as you said Tony Morelli and Jack Britton, in the opening match, I flashed to Canada. Then you said, a little beaver against Tom Thumb. And I said, God damn it, did not Jack Britain have something to do with booking the midgets out of Monterey when they were based up there.

And that would have been in the 50s and early 60s around the Skylo Low Little Beaver era. George Becker spent the last fucking 20 years of his active career in the Carolinas as the Booker and one of the top baby faces and Johnny Weaver's tag team partner. He was 60 years old. They were still using him on top.

This was before the, George Scott era that remodeled the mid-Atlantic lineups. But if George Becker is wrestling Cola Quiriani, then that puts it in the early 1950s at latest. And Raqa and Jerez on top cements that and Quiriani, as we've talked about, was one of the, he was an old-timer at this time, but he was one of the guys that advised the John

brothers, the wrestling promoters in Madison Square Garden, and Quiriani was, Raca was his guy. So he was probably on this small show because Raca was booked as the big star to draw the fucking house, and Quiriani was on the card to travel with him and make sure everything worked out okay. I don't know why Frank Jers was there at this time, but little Beaver French-Canadian Jack Britain. Becker could have been anywhere at that point. This has to be early 50s at I'm going to say 19... Where is it? Is it? Why is Frank Jers in Canada? Otherwise,

1953 in Quebec? Jim, the date. Friday, September 5th, 1952, the Oceanside Athletic Club Oceanside California. Son of a bitch. All right. Well, fuck Jack Britton then. He threw me off. Sensational Argentinian visits OAC. Razzle-Dazzle Raca

meets Brother Frank. Wrestling dwarves return. Yeah, and you know what, Jairs? He was in Southern California at that time period, and this wasn't a big Olympic auditorium show, just one of the smaller clubs. Okay. Idolized by millions of Matt goers and video viewers,

the amazing Argentina Rocca flies in for one of his whirlwind appearances at the Oceanside Athletic Club tonight, meeting brother Frank Jers in a sizzling main event. Rocket Rocca, whose holds are designated to meet with the progress of the atomic age. What the fuck is that sentence all about?

is in demand from coast to coast. He has attracted unsurpassed crowds in every arena in which he appears and has traveled thousands of miles of air to fill important engagements. Raca's next stop may be Madison Square Garden or Chicago or Rio de Janeiro. He's probably the most widely traveled citizen of the world. So they're really building up Rocky here, a big, uh,

By the way, for Oceanside, the promoter, owner, Marie Middlecalf, the manager, John Middilcalfe, the matchmaker, Johnny Doyle. Okay, hold on here. I've just, uh, because Jack Britton, I'm trying to figure that out. So here we go. What? Luis, Louis, Luis Gino Acochella was better known by his ring name of Gino Brito. remember Gino Brito, who was partners with Tony Parisi. Well, Brito was the son of wrestler Jack Britton.

So hold on, and I'm trying to figure out, well, and now he doesn't have much about Jack Britton in here. It's more about his son. But, yeah, Jack Britain, and they were French-Canadian. And I'm pretty sure that Jack Britain had something to do with promotion later on in in Quebec. There we say that he taught his son many valuable lessons. The most important one was stay away from Dino.

Jim, let's get to guest a program. Let's wrap up today's banner episode with guest a program. This is a game where I go through programs in my collection, usually things I haven't followed away yet, quiz Jim about the lineup, maybe some other details. Jim will guess the location, the date. and all other details that he can come up with, that I sum it up in a professional manner.

I think you actually did. You did very well and succinctly there. I'm not feeling well today. Well, Jim, let's get to this first one here. I'm going to start you with some low-hanging fruit, as they say. Well, you get as fruity as you want to. I'll be right there with you. Our first bout, Tito Carion versus Angelo Savaldi.

Bout two, Chick Garibaldi, versus Dick Steinborn. Mark Lewin and Don Curtis versus Herb Larson and Sweet Hanson Good Lord. Two out of three falls. Pat O'Connor versus Hans Schmidt.

Primo Carnara. Jesus. And Bruno Sam Martino versus the Crusher and Danny McShane two out of three falls. and finally our main event 2 out of 3 falls

Antonino Rocca and Johnny Valentine versus the fabulous kangaroos Christ on a cracker what a show we are in the Northeast at some point which we'll get back to in a moment Tito Cadyon there's a name I haven't

heard in a while at Angelo Civoli we've talked about him. He just got, he got stabbed probably a year or two before this show took place. Yes, not by Tito Carrier. No, by Danny Hodge's father. Which, which Garibaldi was that?

Was that Gino or Leo? Chick. Or chick. Dick Steinborn was the son of famous wrestler and strong man Milo Steinborn. Dick Steinborn was a heck of a, going through my negatives, I have found shot,

of Dick Steinborn when he was wrestling in Memphis in 1977 as Mr. Wrestling under the mask. They actually called him Tim Woods the first couple of weeks. Jared always liked Tim Woods. He couldn't get him. He'd make a different one. Mark Lewin and Don Curtis, a baby face tag team, probably the, besides for a tag team like Raqa and Perez, the most famous baby face tag team in the northeast in the, 1959 to 61-2 era.

Herb Larson and Swede Hanson, what a stiff team that must have been. They'd beat the shit out of you. Pat O'Connor, obviously a former NWA World Champion, during this time, he would have just probably just lost it maybe months before, if not the year before.

Han Schmidt was the top German heel and one of the hottest heels in the business on the Chicago TV in the early 50s. I got to see him wrestle on the Sheeks TV when I was at A. Lola's house in like 1972 and he still looked the same because he'd always looked old and had a bald head. But he had those, I don't know what the fuck they're called,

but non-cancerous tumors all over his midsection. Did you ever see a picture of Han Schmidt in the early 70s? I have not. I think you mean cyst. Whatever they are, cyst. He had knots all over his body,

his midsection. When I was 10 years old, it was like, holy shit. That's what Tenru ended up having, too. So, Primo Carnera and Bruno Samertino against the Crusher and Danny McShane, Carnara, everybody knows who the fuck he was.

Bruno, this would have, he's coexisting with Raqa, who was in the main event with Valentine Against the Kangaroos, Al Costello, and Roy Heffernan. This, I can't believe the team of Crusher and McShane. That's an odd pairing. And one would think this would be a Madison Square Garden lineup,

up, but I don't remember these particular two main events that I've read the wrestling and the garden book. Maybe I ought to read it closer. I'm going to say this is 1961. I don't know that it's the garden or early 62. I don't know it's Madison Square Garden. When I saw Crusher, I wanted to say Pittsburgh because Bruno and Crusher had a Crusher was often in Pittsburgh in the early 60s,

and they had a famous match there. Ah! Fug it, 1961 in Pittsburgh. It's not, but what is it? Well, let me just plug also. There's a great book that's going to be on sale at Cornette's Collectibles. Wrestling in the Garden, you may want to get a copy. Monday.

I may want to. January 23rd, 1961, Madison Square Garden. Okay. God damn it. So wait a minute. That is this, O'Connor was the current NWA world champion at that point in time, or have I fucked up my goddamn chronology?

Now you got me confused. It was 60 or 61. I thought it was 61, but. 61? Yeah, so he would have been the reigning NWA champion at that point. Let's go to this next one here, Jim. All righty. So I, I, I, Faved myself on that one is what I did.

idea. The opening contest, Sammy Berg versus Anton Leone. One fall 15 minute time limit. The second bout? A four-man tag team bout. John Tolus and Chris Tolus, Hamilton, Ontario, versus Joe Tangaro and Guy Brunetti. Two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit. The third contest, Big Don Lee. versus Enrique Torres, one fall 30-minute time limit. The semifinal, Wild Bill Longson versus Ike Ekins, one fall 30-minute time limit,

and the main event, one fall to a finish, Pat O'Connor versus Buddy Rogers. Good Lord. Okay. Ike Ekins was the Kentucky Hillbilly And didn't he use the stump puller hold Which was matched here against Longson's pile driver Enrique Torres against Don Lee The Tolos brothers against Tangaro and Brunetti

Who were a popular babyface Italian team team and O'Connor and Rogers could have been a main event anywhere in the late 50s. Good Lord, Anton Leonie would go on to run as a promoter in California, but that would be the early 80s, which is a good 20 years from this card one way or the other. Could this be St. Louis? and I'm just crazy. I'm going to give the year, and long as still being in the ring,

because by the late 50s, except for special appearances in St. Louis, I think he was done, right? 1961 in St. Louis or Toronto? The building, the Kiel Auditorium, St. Louis, Missouri. Friday, October 7th, 1955. 55!

Holy shit! Ringside, $3. Okay, to me, that's early for the Tolos brothers. I didn't know that they would have been featured that early. Don Lee and Enrique Toreas gave me no help whatsoever. Longson and O'Connor directed me to St. Louis, except that both Rogers, Long's all three Rogers, Lonson and O'Connor, were on top in Toronto in the late 50s,

so I didn't fucking know, but St. Louis, 1955. All right. Talk about your low-hanging fruit. That one was on the top of the tree. Oh, hit the keyboard, sorry. Here's our next one, Jim. Opening bout. Ken Ackles from California

versus Tiger Tasker, Canadian lumberjack. Special bout Ted Germain South Boston versus Stu Hart Edmonton, Alberta, Canada actually just says Edmonton, Canada

sorry Alberta Semi-final bout Wild Bull Curry, Hartford, Connecticut versus Roland Meeker, Louisiana Good God And the main event The World Champion Frank Sexton versus Dano O'Mohoney, Ireland.

Okay. Tiger Tasker would later on become the most famous referee in Toronto, right, for one long period of time. He was the referee you always saw referenced in the wrestling magazines. Stu Hart, I wonder whatever came to that kid. I don't know anything about his opponent, Mr. Germain. Bull Curry and Roland Meeker. I have posters of Curry and Roland Meeker in the Boston Territory in 1940.

I think they were at 6 and 7. Frank Sexton was the world champion in the Boston territory for years and years, the Sexton brothers. and when Boston was its own city under Paul Bowser, he was a huge draw. And Dano O'Mahoney was the first Irishman that set records in Boston and various places as a world champion of a previous decade.

This is in the 40s, and it's in Massachusetts somewhere. Is it the Boston Arena? or one of the secondary towns. And I'm going to say it's 1947. Wow, very impressive. All-Star Wrestling, Boston Arena, Thursday, March 25th, 1948. Ah! Missed it by three months.

There's a picture here of the new Matt Wonderboy, Stu Hart, the Edmonton Flash. And it says here, Stu, Hart makes his hub ring debut at Arena Thursday, it'll be interesting to get a line on this Stu Hart, the Edmonton boy, who has been showing Canadian followers of the game some real fancy wrestling, tabbed as the wonder boy of the mat, Hart is touted as a great young prospect. So the Boston debut of Stu Hart. And this would have been right after he was working in New York and met Helen.

with Paul Bosch and right before he went to Western Canada, right? I believe so, before he returned back to Edmonton or, I guess, Calgary in this case. Jim, let's go to this next line up here. Actually, Edmonton first, because he opened up Edmonton first before Calgary. Jim, the opening contest, Bubba Douglas versus Gordon Nelson. Oh, what city in Florida are we going to be in here? Jerry Briscoe versus Devil's. number one.

Barry Windham versus Dick Slater. A special challenge match, Jack Briscoe, versus Mr. Saito. Manny Fernandez, Mike Graham, and Steve Kern versus Nikolai Volkov,

Brian St. John, and Nature Boy Stanley Lane. A Texas death match, Mr. Florida versus the Super Destroyer and since you said Florida, I'll just say at the main event for the Florida heavyweight title,

Don Morocco versus Bugsie McGraw. Okay, well, I mean, we knew it was Florida as soon as you say Bubba Douglas, the honorary mayor of Lakeland, Florida, and who did he wrestle? I didn't even jot that down because I was laughing.

Gordon Nelson. Gordon Nelson, who... Brought the sugar hole to the snake pit. Yeah, a trained guy. guys hauled the ring, did various things for the Florida office for years and years. Gerald Briscoe's on the card. Barry Windham, Jerry, Saito. Everybody knows these names.

Nature boy Stanley Lane. When people know the story that Flair trained Stan to wrestle. Stan was a room service guy for the Marriott or the Hilton or whatever it was in Myrtle Beach, and he took an order of five bloody marries to fucking Flare's room one morning. And Flair was in there with companionship and only had $100. So he gave him the $100 and Stan brought him back his change at the pool that day. And he said, hey, you ever thought about being a wrestler and Stan loved wrestling, right? So, but his first territory stands after he debuted in the Mid-Atlantic area,

jerking the curtain a couple of times. they sent him to Amarillo when Mulligan and Murdoch had bought that territory from the Funks, and he didn't stay long there. I think he bopped through Mid-South and didn't stay long there, and then went to Florida, where since he had been trained by Flair, nature boy Stanley Lane, he hates the name Stanley,

and he was partners with Brian St. John, and Stan's biggest accomplishment at that point in fucking wrestling was when he and St. John won the Florida tag team title. If I'm not mistaken, they beat Eddie Graham and Ray Stevens. And he's like, what the fuck is Ray Stevens and Eddie Graham? And I've been into business a year and a half. I'm beating these guys. Point being, with all of those things having been said,

this looks like a big card this would either be a Miami Beach or a St. Petersburg lineup and it would have to be either chronological year it would have to be either late 1979 or early 1980 so let's say St. Peter let's say Miami, Miami 1979 slash 80

Tuesday, June 10th 1980, 8.30 p.m. start time, Tampa. Fort Hesterly Armory. They put this one in the Armory. God damn it. All the cards were main events in those days. All right. Let's get another one here, Jim. Nature boy Stanley Lane.

This one... If you would have pissed Stanoff, call him Stanley. This one has two different cards. Which one is this one? This one. Okay, here we go. The opening bout, Sunny Fargo versus Bill Parks. And it says Reggie, and Reggie's crossed out, and the word Bill is written in, so Bill Parks. Chief Bighart versus Gene Murphy.

Lenny Montana versus Laverne Baxter. Good Lord. And Leverne Baxter was a guy, by the way, just so nobody thinks that he was beating up a woman. Yeah, and it's spelled here, L-U-V-E-R-N-E. That's not the way you spelled it. Tag team match, Tiny Row, and Bull Brummel versus Lord Littlebrook and Cowboy Bradley. And those are the Littlefellows. And seemingly, is this the main event?

Seemingly, this is the main event. Rip Hawk versus Don McClarity. Wow. Okay, we are in the Carolina. and the only reason I know that is because Chief Bigheart was a big deal, no pun intended, in the Carolinas at this period of time. Sonny Fargo in the opening match, it's Roughhouse Fargo, but before the gimmick, and while Jackie and Don were off in the late 50s, early 60s being the World Tag Team Champions

all over the place, Sunny would sometimes manage. them, but because the Fargo's Sonny and Jackie were real brothers. They were from North Carolina. So Sonny would work locally in the Carolinas on preliminary matches

when he wasn't on the road or being one of the Fargo brothers. Tiny Row and Bo Brummel and Little Brook and Bradley, the touring midgets that could have been any territory, so that doesn't give us anything. Lennie Montana and Laverne Baxter, Lenny Montana was the

actor or the wrestler who became an actor and was in the Godfather and people have he's an answer to a trivia question about wrestling and movies he was Luca Brazzi Luca Brazzi and played you know a variety and other

roles of the heavy the tough guy the mobster whatever the he's in the jerk with Steve Martin that's right the only other thing to go on is that Rip Hawk was a big name in the Carolinas, and later on he and Swede Hanson would be one of the first big heel teams there. Don McClarity was a southern star, you know, of the era,

but not particularly tied to one place for his fame. And so now that I've beaten around the bush, God damn it, the Park Center in Charlotte, North Carolina in 1961. All right, well, I think that means we can't do any more today. Oh, Charlotte, North Carolina, November 20th, 1961, the Park Center. You nailed it with this one. And I would have said 60 or 59, but I remember thanks to our friend Sean Delaney over at Evansville that Rip Hawk was the top fucking star in the Evansville territory in the late 50s there,

so I bumped it up a year. All right. Well, that is how we'll wrap this up. I had other programs, but I'm not going to top that. That's a big end. I don't think, yeah. I think that's the big finish, baby. Well, this has been guest to program.

All right, we'll have a little bit more about that at the end of the show. But Jim, let's wrap things up with some guest the program. It's been a while. and I've got a bunch of programs here. Let me grab this pile. Aye. All right. All righty.

Jim, of course, guess the program is where I go through programs from my collection, usually things I need to file away, and I hit you with the card, and you will give us all the information that you can conjure up. Usually we try to guess the date and the location, but sometimes much more detail than even that. In the borderline mystical way that I've, have, I'm going to try to divine these things.

Without ever having note, and also these programs have been sealed in a mayonnaise jar on Jack Feffer's porch since noon today. All right, Jim, this one here. Match one, 30-minute time limit, $1,000 on a pole tag team match, the Davidson Brothers versus Chris Adams and Tom Pritchard.

In a one-on-one gladiator match, the wrestler must drag his opponent around the ring. Mean Mike Masters versus Tony Rodriguez. The next match, one fall, 10-minute time limit. Originally, it was going to be Chuck O'Floras, but written in Pedro Hernandez versus the assassin. There will be an intermission, followed by a one-hour time limit. grudge match, Victor Rivera versus John Tolus. Another intermission. And finally, one fall 30-minute time limit, Al-Madrille versus Killer Ox Baker.

Well, we're in the Olympic Auditorium in Los Angeles, and I'm still, I'm going to work on the year because that's the only place that Chris Adams and Tom Pritchard, would have ever coexisted with John and Rick Davidson at first someone might say well could it have been Portland but Portland

would not have had Madrill Rivera, Tolos and Ox Baker on top and the question is Adams was in Dallas by 802 this Tom started

boy this is the the Davidson brother they were a big biker-looking tag team, and they had worked for the Sheik in Detroit in, I'm going to say, 1979-ish, maybe 80-ish. From the time that Tom turned pro to where he would have had time to go to Los Angeles

and Adams would have been there at the same time, I've got to think this is Los Angeles Olympic Auditorium 1981. Well, Jim, the card, Los Angeles, the Olympic Auditorium, or as it says here, the new Olympic, Friday, February 27th, 1981, 8 p.m. Boom! Boom! There you go. There you go. Warning, no throwing anything into the ring or touching wrestlers at any time. You will be fined or arrested if caught doing so. Also in here. Championship Wrestling TV, Channel 34, Saturday morning, 11 a.m. The action's better than ever. This is as the territory was going out of business.

Yeah, the action is better than ever, but fewer people are watching. Also, Doscarus is coming to town Friday, the 6th at the Olympic, or March 6th, I should say, March 7th in Fresno. You know, I always thought Doscarus was two-faced. That's just me. Very good there. Jim, here's our next program. The opening contest won Fall 20-minute time limit. Angelo Savaldi versus Tony Altamori. Special midget tag team match, two out of three falls,

45-minute time limit. Sunny Boy Cassidy and the Jamaica Kid versus Cowboy Bradley and Fuzzy Cupid. Oh, the Fuzzy One. A special handicap match. one fall 20 minute time limit, Arnold Scholland, that's spelled S-K-O-L-A-N-D,

and Gino-Brito versus Prince Iu-Kia, a one-fall 30-minute match. Wait a minute, wait a minute. What now? What now? You said, Scholand and Gino-Brito

against Prince Iykea and who? It's a handicap, a special handicap match. Oh, well, then, okay, so that's Curtis, then Iykea, That's King Curtis, that's right. Da Bull. Of course, there was a Prince Iokiah years later in WCW because Kevin Sullivan named him after King Curtis's early name.

There you go. Okay, that's... Just wanted to make sure everybody was on the same page. One fall 30-minute time, we met Baron McHale Sikluna from the Isle of Malta versus Chief Bigheart. An extra bonus, I'll name the championship, for the U.S. heavyweight championship, the champion Bobo Brazil

versus Tarzan Tyler and the main event two out of three falls, one hour time limit for the United States Tag Team Championship Dr. Bill Miller and Dan Miller, the U.S. tag team champions versus Bruno San Martino

and Johnny Valentine. Ooh. Okay dokey. Angelo Savoldi, we've talked about the Savoldies many times. Hopefully he had recovered by that point from being stabbed by Danny Hodge's father. Tony Altimore was one of the Sicilians with Lou Albano as a team for years. The four little fellows led by Fuzzy Cupid, who was the senior midget in this match at that point and probably the biggest name.

Arnold Skolland, obviously a long-time WWWF employee, not only on camera Bruno's manager and things, but he ran the White Plains Civic Center for the matches there and was an office employee and worked in ticket offices for years. With Curtis Iekea coming in, Prince Iekea, and he's still a heel and he's in, this is the northeast, it's the WWWF territory.

That puts it in early mid-60s. Sucluna, Baron McKell Sucluna was again, long-running northeast heel. Chief Bigheart brings it back more to the early 60s, I think. Bobo Brazil was the U.S. champion. sometimes there, but I didn't think that he really defended that outside Washington, D.C., which that was kind of his town, and they gave him extra special treatment in Washington. And that's a James Dudley, Vince Sr.'s limo driver who got in a Hall of Fame as a manager.

He was Bobo's manager, a baby face. He just went and got and brought Bobo's belt back. Tarzan Tyler was a big heel in Florida in the 70s, but this ended the late 60s, this is earlier than that, and then the Miller brothers against Bruno and Johnny Valentine, with Bruno going for the U.S. tag team title, if this has got to be 19, is it 61 or 62, I'm thinking, and I don't think this is a Madison Square Garden card, but I've been fooled before, but would this be in, would it be in Washington? In 1962.

Jim, the date? Wednesday, January 19th, 1966. Oh, shit. Baltimore, Maryland. Baltimore, all right, 40 miles from Washington. You know what? up then because I was trying to make this before Bruno won the belt because I couldn't see. He was world champion here in this match.

Yeah, why would he be going for the U.S. tag team type? But it was a grudge match, I bet, a personal issue with the Miller brothers and him and Valentine. All right, Jim, this next program here, in the curtain razor, Oki Shakina versus Don Kindred. A special event, Ray Gunkel versus Sunny Curges. The semifinal, Pat Fraley versus George Penchiff. Good Lord. And the main event, a championship match. The champion, Jack Claiborne versus Bobby Manigoff.

Okay, is that, uh, Jeez, so Pete, well, Oki Shakina in the opening match and Ray Gunkel being on the card at first I thought we were in Georgia. I don't know that we're still not, but it's not as easy as I thought it was going to be. Oki Shakina, they told me this story when I first went to Georgia. That's why I never liked Columbus, Georgia. He's working as a heel one night, and he's an oriental heel in the, I guess by the time I heard this story, it had been maybe the late 60s.

He's coming back from the fucking ring, and some guy took a knife and stabbed it in his side and walked halfway around him and fucking took off. And down he goes, obviously, and the cops are just like, well, yeah, he's fucked. And his wife happened to be there. and she begged people to call an ambulance or get him to the hospital or whatever the fuck because they were just like, yeah, oh yeah, he's fucked. And he lived in the old Columbus Municipal Auditorium down there.

Anyway, so, and Ray Gunkel was not only one of the top baby faces in Georgia, but also the Booker and part owner in the office and led to the whole Georgia war in 73, 72. Pat Freley was a journeyman who could have been wrestling any fucking where. I've never heard a Gunkel's opponent or Freely's opponent. And Jack Claiborne, he was one of the top black stars around the time of also the Black Panther Jim Mitchell and, a few others and Bobby Managoff was an old-timer

that had been wrestling since at least the 30s so a gunkle started in the early 50s good Lord I have we're in Atlanta in 19-fucking 53 we are in Honolulu Hawaii there you go at the Civic Auditorium

Sunday October 9th 1949. Yeah, that... By the way, the championship is the Hawaii Junior Heavyweight Crown and the belt is one of those belts that has the ring logo and then it says Junior Heavyweight Champion Territory of Hawaii

and it has Nat Fleischer's name on it. So that was the belt here for Jack. Yeah, that one was pretty obscure there, pal. All right, well, I got to mix it up. I can't make them all really easy for you. I'll do this one next. Where's the actual card here? Here are the t-shirts for sale. Here are the ratings.

Here's the card. All right. What's the town? Here's the card. What's the town? They have to come back to this. What it doesn't say what town it's in? What?

You don't know the answer that you're trying to get me to tell you? Well, I think I do, but it actually doesn't say it here. I need to double check this one. Let me come back to this one momentarily. Jim, let's go to this one here. Here we go. This is a fun one. The opening contest, Pedro Godoy versus Tommy Siegler.

Red Lions versus Frank the Alaskan Monty. Dory Dixon versus Mike the Alaskan York. Double main event. First, the champion. won't name the championship, Crusher Stasiak versus Bearcat Right,

and the second main event, Boris Melenko versus Red Bastine, if Red Loses, his mustache will be shaved off in the ring following the match. But if Boris loses, then his manager,

Bronco Lubbich, will have his mustache shaved. Mustache versus mustache. Well, I already do. were in Texas, but you just stooged it. This is, it's the world class or actually big time wrestling, Fritz's

company. It's, uh, either Dallas or Fort Worth. We'll narrow that down in a second. Pedro Godoy, just, you know, he had a name on the card at that point. I think at one point he was one of the masked Russians.

Tommy Siegler was a good looking guy that didn't have a long career in wrestling, but he was one of the guys that Barry Rose had in the fan club called The Thrill Seekers, him and Rocky Johnson and God damn it, who was the other one, Brian? Help me. Oh, Rocky Johnson.

Rocky Johnson, Tommy Siegler, and the fan club was the thrill seekers, and that's what I stole to name Storm and Jericho. Frank Monty and Mike Yorke. were the Alaskans. Mike and Jay York were also the Alaskans, and Jay York worked as an Alaskan by himself,

but in the, let's say, 1973 to 1975 time period, it was Monty and York, and they were in Tennessee for a run. And this is where the time period we're at now, Billy Red Lions, Dory Dixon, Stan Stajak and Bearcat Wright,

Bear Cat Wright, is showed up in Tennessee in 1975 of managing the Mongolian stomper. I think he had heart issues or something as to why he quit wrestling. And Red Bastine, of course, tremendous baby face, Boris Melenko. I'm going to say this is

the Sportatorium in Dallas, Texas, 1973. The date, Friday, August 11th, 1972 Houston, Texas Houston I thought that's what you were saying I stooge myself off when I said there was such a

extravagant gimmick for the Melancho Red Bastine match But I was just because of Bronco because of Bronco Lubic I knew that, you know, then we were in Texas

but I thought Dallas in the Dallas office rather than Houston. Son of a guy. There's at least two different things here. Again, in K-Fa, but considering what would end up happening, it's funny.

One here about NWA lectures Funk Senior for obstructing title bouts. And the other one, Funk Family in an uproar. When the National Wrestling Alliance criticized the tactics of Dory Funk Senior and the Funk family in trying to avoid contracts, it caused an uproar amongst the Funks. They wanted to fight everyone present without the title at stake. The smoke is not cleared. And the turbulence has not subsided, so no tangible results are available to announce, but promoter Paul Bosch is striking while the funks are hot.

Famously, Paul... Getting awful funky in here. Famously, I guess, a year later, right? 73. Yeah. Paul Bosch thought he had the NWA title change where Jack Briscoe would defeat Dory Funk Jr. to win the championship and depending on whose side you believe,

either Dory Funk Jr. had an accident on the farm with a tractor or the... No, he was driving his truck. He was driving a pickup truck and supposedly went over the side of a gully wash and turned over in it. On the other side, some people think that the Funk's just decided we're not dropping the belt of Jack Briscoe.

It's not going to happen. and that's when Harley Race got his first title run. Because Harley was the middleman. The Fung, see, the Funk Sr. Apparently did not want Dory to lose to another baby face, which is what Briscoe was everywhere except if he came to Texas. But at the same time, he knew that sooner or later Dory was going to have to give it up.

and also Harley was acceptable to all parties because the NWA knew that he would have a good match with Dory and he could probably take it if for some reason things went south in the ring. He had the standing for the fans in their eyes to be a world champion. And they also knew that he'd turn around and put Jack Briscoe over two months later or whatever the fuck it was. in Houston.

In Houston, where, and again, they had promised Bosch title change. And this is, Paul, the 70s and Paul Bosch and the NWA were always having problems with each other because either the champion wouldn't show up or his title change he was promised, would get postponed or whatever the fuck. But anyway, that it worked out. but yeah, there were pictures of Dory in a hospital bed with a sling in his arm and everything. But at the same time, that was easily done in those days sometimes. So nobody's ever really come to grips on 100% what the story was.

If you ever see that famous photo of Jack Briscoe when he won the belt, Harley Race is kind of on his knees, like looking incredulous. He can't believe what just happened. Yeah. And Briscoe looks like he just had a really tough. match. Paul Bosch looks like he's having the time of his life. Yeah. He's having a party in the middle of this because he got the title change. Go see that photo. I mean, so funny. All right, Jim, let me hit you with this one. One more. I got to get this one. If you don't, you know, one more.

Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's see how you do with this. The opening bout. Sound like you're all confident. Keith Franks. Huh. Versus Yasu Fuji. The second bout. Ivan Krancovich from Croatia versus Jack Ruffin. The third contest? Susan Green versus Paula Kaye. We have a six-man tag team elimination bout. Mike Kelly, Pat Kelly, and Jimmy Snooka.

Oh! Versus Siegfried Stanky, Professor Lewis, and Scott. Bill Lewis, right? I believe so, because it says 260 Atlanta, so I think that's who would be. Yeah, Professor Dale Lewis. And Sky High Morse. Also, Jim, Dennis Stamp versus Gene Kinnisky. Good Lord.

And finally, the main event for the World's Heavyweight Championship, Jack Briscoe versus Don Leo Jonathan. Oh, boy, okay, Keith Franks. would later become Adrian Adonis. So this puts it, as does Briscoe being the champion, between 1973 and 1975. Jackie Ruffin was the son of Les Ruffin, who was a longtime promoter and wrestling personality in Cincinnati

and that part of Ohio. Sue Green and Paul McKay were, two of Moolah's top girls at this time. The Kelly Twins and Snooka against Siegfried Stonke, Gene Lewis and Sky High Morse. I have no idea. Is there a picture of Sky High Morse? Do you know who it is?

I don't know who it is and there doesn't appear to be a picture in this program. In that case, I'm thinking that was something the Booker tried with somebody that didn't fucking work. Because I have no idea who that. would have been. Dennis Stamp, obviously, is noted for being from Amarillo and a close friend of the funk family and the guy that never got booked and beyond the mat. But he used to get booked when he was working, and because he's working, Gene Kineski, and in the main event, Donalio, Jonathan, challenging Briscoe for the world title, that means we are either in the Pacific Northwest or

Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. And because it's Snooka, and I am remembering like I'm on Iron Chef, if memory serves me, when a snooka's first pushes in a territory was the Portland territory for Don Owens. But at the same time, if this was a major event in Vancouver, which Kinesisner, had part of the office then and he obviously had pulled with the NWA they would have used Oregon talent or is this

the Seattle when they were running Seattle about that time and who was the goddamn promoter in Seattle help me his name well Dean Silverstone wasn't promoting Dean Silverstone was he promoting yet he was kind of opposition to the NWA yes

by the NWA's choice I believe I think Don Owen came after him pretty hard so god damn it is it a big show in Seattle it looks like it's it would only be the Portland sports arena and maybe it's big for that or is it it van it's Kineski's on a card it's it

we're in Vancouver in 1974 Jim it's a Thanksgiving day spectacular Monday October 13th Not 1979. Wait a minute. Canadian Thanksgiving. Oh, Canadian Thanksgiving.

Vancouver, British Columbia. All right. I got one year off and I got the town. All right. Thanksgiving Day, October, whatever. You thought you're trying to bullshit me. I forgot they have one too. They have one.

And with that, that is guest to program here this week. We have more guest to program very soon because we have a whole lot of more, a whole lot of more. We got a whole lot of more programs over here, just waiting to be explained. Jim, as I said earlier, more questions next week, we promise, but why don't we wrap things up with some guest to program? A very popular segment here on the show. Are you up for it to?

Where I, in my borderline mystical way, will determine the year and the location of the card that you mentioned without ever knowing that ahead of time, because I'm like that. How do you feel today? you feel like you're up for the task? I'm feeling pretty good. I didn't do too bad. I nailed one a couple times ago. I'm not doing too bad last time.

I'm feeling confident. Give it two out of three. I'm going to get two out of three right off the bat. Well, we have more than three here, but let's get to this. I'm just saying, I'm going to, I'm going to predict. I'm going to get two out of three. All right. I'm going to go from main event on down for this card.

The main event is a tag team match, or it's actually a triple main event now that I look, But a tag team match, best two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit. The Donovan Brothers, Red and Doug, versus Greg Peterson and Larry Shane. Jesus. There'll be an intermission with lucky numbers announced. Best two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit, Tex Riley versus Billy Wicks. Oh, boy. Okay.

One other outstanding match, one of the Donovan brothers. will tangle with Greg Peterson or Larry Shane in the bout. It will be announced at ringside. Well, the natural inclination is for this to be Memphis, Tennessee. There is an element of possibility that you would throw in, considering Greg Peterson and Larry Shane and potentially Billy Wicks, that you would throw in something from Mobile Alabama, but I don't know that that would be likely. Doug Donovan later on became one of the Von Brauners, did he not?

You would know better than I. And obviously, Tex Riley, a longtime Tennessee babyface hero, Billy Wicks, the guy that Sputnik Monroe drew those two record houses that we talked about earlier against in Memphis. But Tex Rally against Billy Wicks If this was Memphis They would both be baby faces But was this a tournament match

Possibly I'm gonna say You son of a bitch Mobile Alabama 1958 You know I guess because you've lost so much weight You can't really go with your gut as much as you used to

Memphis, Tennessee God damn it Monday night March 9th, 1959. See, I knew that Wix was in Mobile in 58. Why was Tex Rilly Wrestling Billy Wicks? Sputnik Monroe will return here next Monday and has demanded a championship match

with Jesse James or Billy Wicks, both holders of sectional titles. Beat a wrestler, win $100 or $1 per minute in ring. promoter buddy Fuller announced this week that any of the spectators who wish to challenge a wrestler may do so the spectator will be paid one dollar for every minute he could stay with the wrestler or a hundred dollars if he wins but that's a dangerous stipulation no the fullers used to love that shit that was an old trick to basically get some goddamn credit for the business.

And remember this, they were just getting to the hot period. Sputnik had just gotten there in December. And they were starting to draw crowds. But they had been on their ass for the previous year and a half.

So, Buddy Fuller loved to do shit like that. It would get interest. It would get cause talk. And it would get credibility for the wrestling business. And they would pick whoever on the card

that was the, the legitimate guy against whatever no college wrestling standout usually usually was going to fucking show up on one of these things

but remember that's how in Columbus Georgia Tim Woods lost half of one of his fingers fucking soldier from the what is the army base down there near Columbus Georgia a fort fuck of whatever.

He got up there and they were supposed to just wrestle but he started being a goddamn smart ass apparently and Woods started to hook him and got his finger close enough to the guy's mouth the guy bit half of Woods's finger off. And then apparently Woods went to town on him

and many of his service buddies were there and it created a scene. So that was this was 1959 in Memphis, that was somewhere in the late 60s, I think in Columbus, Georgia, maybe early 70s. So by that point, they had kind of given up doing shit like that.

All right, Jim, let's go to the, what says here, B&S kosher-style restaurant and delicatessen, finest corn, beef, and cabbage, bakery, sandwiches, and complete dinner. Kosher style, so they don't want to pay the rabbi. That's what that means. Not kosher, but kosher style. Jim, let's go to this next one here.

Here we go. This is an interesting one. The card, there are six main events on this card. The first main event. Does it actually say that six big main events? No, it says first main event, second main event, third main event, fourth. The first main event, Dick Hutton

versus Steve Stanley one fall 20 minute time limit The second main event Buddy Rogers versus Ilio de Pollo one fall 20 minute time limit The third main event Eukon Eric

versus Sky High Lee They weren't kidding One fall 20 minute time limit Main events Fourth main event Vern Ganya versus Wilbur Snyder Christ

One fall 30 minute time women The fifth main event Whipper Billy Watson versus Swede Carlson One fall 30 minutes And finally the sixth main event One fall to a finish Luthez

versus Baron Gatoni good Lord okay where do we start I mean I thought that it was a promotional rib from a hyperbolic booker but Dick Hutton was the guy who would succeed Thess as NWA champion in the late 50s

but not succeed as champion unfortunately Steve Stanley was one of the top heels in the country at one point in time in the mid-50s. Buddy Rogers, I don't need to go any further. Elio DiPaulo was a legend in Buffalo, New York, and in the Northeast had a restaurant. Yukon Eric, one of the top baby face attractions in the business in the late 50s,

and the guy that Killer Kowalski, his knee-drop-pitated Yukon Eric's cauliflower ear off, Sky High Lee, one of the early giants in the business, this was this was probably late in his career because he started in the late 30s was already a name in California in the early 40s. Ganya and Snyder would have been the hot United States heavyweight title program or close to between. two of the greatest scientific wrestlers of the mid-50s off the Chicago TV.

Whipper Billy Watson, former NWA champion, and what is he number, is he number two or number three on the all-time Canadian draw list with the Sheik and Jacques Rougeau, Sr., maybe? poor Swede Carlson's a job guy in this mix and then Thess against Baron Gatoni who again was kind of a kind of a Baron Leonie offshoot that was a top heel in the mid-50s

this goddamn I got the vibe that it should be and this is in the northeast somewhere and at the same time as it might be a wonderful Chicago International Amphitheater card at some point, I don't see all those names there, all these names there at the same time. Could this have been Hutton in a preliminary like that? Because he didn't last long in the business after he lost the NW.

title. And Rogers against Ilio de Paulo with Fez on top indicates that this is, I think it's and Ganya Snyder, it's the mid-50s. Why do I think of Buffalo, Montreal, or

Toronto? Is it the food? It could be the gas I got from the food. Jesus Christ, this is tough because this is some kind of mega card that some promoter is

putting on that wants to prove a point. Buffalo, New York, the War Memorial Auditorium, 1956. The Parade of Champions Wednesday, November 21st, 1956,

the Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York. Boom! Wow. Boom! I thought you would trip up on this. That's so impressive. All right, very much.

I knew they were out of the Midwest because of DePaulo and Gatoni and Billy Watson and Elio DiPaolo being on the show against Buddy Rogers it just stuck in my head and I couldn't get away from. So, okay, I'm one in one, baby. All right, I know you're excited. Stop beating up the desk, but Jim, let's get back

to this next card here. The first match, one fall 30-minute time limit. Billy Goals versus Gino Angelo the semi-final two out of three falls 45-minute time limit

Gypsy Joe versus Kurt Stanky and the main event and it appears to be I will give you what's listed and I'll give you the corrections that were put in what's listed is

the Volkov Brothers versus Angelo Pafo and Hans Schmidt two out of three fall 60 minute time limit what's written in for the Volkov brothers are the Gilbert brothers and what's written in for Hans Schmidt is Bronco Lubbich

Well the Gilbert brothers was that Oh god damn Was it Doug and Johnny I'm actually not sure Why am I Is Johnny Gilbert maybe a game show announcer the Volkovs was the original

That's the guy from Jeopardy Yeah The Volkovs The original Nikolai Volkov, right And his brother Boris I believe so Gypsy Joe was not the Tennessee Gypsy Joe that wrestled well into his

elderly years but the Chicago Gypsy Joe Billy Giles is a journeyman that was wrestling in the 50s in the Midwest. Gino Angelo, did he work as the brother of Martino Angelo,

or was he just using the name? And obviously Angelo Pafo, the father of Randy Savage and Lanny Pafo, and Hans Schmidt, even though he wasn't there, was the top German heel of the early 50s off the Chicago TV, the first German heel after the war. and Bronco Lubich would later on be

the kindly old referee in world class but he would, in between his wrestling days and his refereeing days, he was a manager. Having said all that because this is a three-match card, I think it is somewhere in the Chicago land area, not the international amphitheater, but something like is it one of the smaller clubs around, the Rainbow Arena?

or whatever so Marigold as far as a year I'm going to say 1957 somewhere no no no no 1956

somewhere in the suburbs of downtown Chicago the date Tuesday December 16th 1958 the promoter Boc Estes the Hammond Civic Center Hammond, Indiana.

Hammond, Indiana, there you go. I'm still correct because that's 40 fucking miles. All right, Jim, that's gonna... I got the place I missed the year. So that's one and a half out of three. I'm tied. All right. This next one here, Jim,

a special lights out match. Terry Garvin versus T.G. Stone. the Mongo and Hacksaw Higgins The wait a minute with the what, the who? The Mongo. The Mongo, not Mongo? Nope, it says Mongo. And it's an article here that also calls him Mongo, so it's the Mongo and Hacksaw

Higgins versus Jim Gorman and Tug Taylor. Oh, you motherfucker. The ox, I don't know what causes. that the ox versus crazy Luke Graham. The Grapplers versus Genetti and Rogers. And finally, the main event for a title I won't name, the champion Buzz Tyler versus the challenger, Ted DiBiase.

Okay, well, we perked up a little bit. The Mongo, I've got no earthly clue. Hacksaw Higgins, was Larry Higgins and spent a little time he was in Mid-South for a brief period of time in 84 Jim Gorman has been lost time Tug Taylor was Tugboat Taylor

who was based out of Texas for years and years his son was a wrestler Oh you know what I missed the match I apologize Give me another one Another title match to champion Gypsy Joe versus David Peterson Okay and this Gypsy Joe is the Tennessee Gypsy Joe.

And the Ox versus Luke Graham, is this Ox Baker? Or can you tell or are there any pictures? I don't think that it would be, but just in case. There are no pictures that say or that show it. And I don't see any pictures that say or there's nothing in here that indicates. Yes, nothing indicates that. So Luke Graham, this was maybe the last year or so of his full-time career. He worked some Indies in Georgia because he was from Georgia after this.

The thing that really tells you is the grapplers, Genetti and Rogers. Is that Tommy Rogers? Genete and Rogers? It is Tommy Rogers, but not the famous Tommy Rogers, I don't believe. It's the, okay, Grappler and Buzz Tyler and Timmy Rogers and Ted DiBiase were in the central states. And my only problem is trying to figure out the grapplers had gotten together, Tony Anthony and Lynn Denton, the first time they got together was in Tennessee,

and that was in 83. They were not a team before that. So I'm thinking that this is Kansas City, Missouri, and again with Buzz Tyler, I'm thinking it's late 1983 or early 1984 in Kansas City. The date Thursday, August 23rd, 1984 Memorial Hall, Kansas City, Kansas. Okay, I was a few months off. All right, I'm going to give you, before we. wrap things up with a couple that may be a little more difficult. I'll give you an easy one. Oh, boy. The opening contest, Jay Youngblood versus Maddie Suzuki.

Rocky Montero versus the Alaskan. Tony Russo versus Playboy Buddy Rose. And the final preliminary, Ricky Hunter versus Sergeant Labouf. A special... That's LeBuff to you. A special tag team match. Tommy Samoa and Dutch Savage versus Apache Bull Ramos

and Jesse the Great Ventura. And the main event, for a title I won't name, Terry Funk, the champion versus Jimmy Snooker. Okay. Well, I'm going to tell you, Jay Youngblood, everybody knows he was the,

one of the Youngblood family who he was most famous for teaming with Ricky Steamboat in that team. Maddie Suzuki was an Asian heel for years in a variety of places. The Alaskan, who knows it could have been Jay York, it could have been Mike York, it could have been Frank Monty. Buddy Rose is a tip off on where we are.

And so is Dutch Savage. Bull Ramos and Jesse Ventura, all well known in the Portland, Don Owens territory, but of course none better than Jimmy Snooka, who this was probably, would he have gotten a shot at the NWA World title, Snooka before this?

Maybe in Dallas, or was that, this was before Dallas, right? Well, you can't tell me. I'm not allowed to help you. You're not allowed to say, I don't know who Tommy Samoa was. Was that Coco Samoa?

one would i actually don't i'm not sure i don't think so based on the picture in here but i'm not certain but i don't well we're in portland oregon we know that much and i'm going to divine the year by a very strange method soldier leboof the reason why that he was soldier leboff is because he was part of the legionnaires in indianapolis when they were the w w w w w w w w w w tag team champions for Dick the Bruiser in 1975. And LeBuff, who was the, later on would work as the Russian stomper, and goddamn what was he, was French Canadian, but he replaced Don Fargo as Jacques Goulet,

Sergeant Jacques Goulet's tag partner, when Fargo did another one of the things Fargo usually does, left in the middle of the run, and Soldier Leboof came in to replace Private Fargo. But by November 76, Soldier LeBuff was working as the Russian stomper in the Goulous territory in Tennessee. So, since Terry Funk won the NWA title in December of 1975 and lost it in February of 1977. I'm saying we're in Portland, Oregon in

1976. Jim, the Portland sports arena. Don Owen presents October 16th, 1976. And it was indeed an NWA world title match for Jimmy Snooka. Boom!

There you go. Bicentennial imagery here on this page. All right, Jim. This one's really tough. I'll give it to you last. First preliminary, Don Arnold versus K.O. Murphy. One fall 15 minute time limit. Beat the champ, one fall 15 minutes. Sandar Zabo versus Wilbur Snyder.

Ooh. A special attraction, one fall to a finish. Sky High Lee versus Pat Fraley. Intermission match. Whatever that means. What I mean? intermission? Yeah, get up and goddamn go pissing at your popcorn.

This thing's going to suck. One fall, 15 minutes. Barney Bernard versus Vic Christie. The chest. Barney, the chest Bernard. The semi-final event, best two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit. Leo Garibaldi versus Jungle Boy. You didn't know Perry was that old, did you?

And the main event, best two and three falls one hour time limit. Nikki Bokwinkle versus Billy Varga. Okay. Well, we are in either Los Angeles or Hollywood, however you want to describe it, depending on the venue, and I'm pretty sure it's going to be Los Angeles. Sandor Zabo was a big name in the business in the 40s and 50s. and finished his career in the Southern California area, as I recall. Wilbur Snyder, after he got over on the Chicago television,

spent, I think, a couple of years into Southern California territory and was a major name, and the beat the champ title was one of the championships that they had in the territory. Sky High Lee, we just talked about, one of the first giants, and again he had been around. I have programs of him in the Southern California territory in the early 40s. Vic Christie was the brother of Ted Christie, the Christie brothers, not only a baby face tag team, but notorious ribbers inside the business.

Barney the chest Bernard, hence because he had the big chest expansion. and Leo Garibaldi and Count Billy Varga to Southern California mainstays. Billy Varga is on a ton of 60s TV shows, situation comedies. He was on the Munsters. If they needed a wrestler or a referee of some kind, chances are it was Billy Varga.

And of course, Nicky Bachwinkle was a mere pup back in these days. Ed had just started, but he was the son of Warren Bach Winkle and was always billed as a native of California. So we're at the Olympic Auditorium. The problem is what year? And I've got to think, just to pick one out of three,

it's somewhere between 1955 and 1957, so I'll say 1956. Jim, it's the Olympic Auditorium, Los Angeles, California. March 15th, 1957. Ah, shit. Welcome home, Leo Garibaldi. This popular member of the wrestling Garibaldi clan will be making his first appearance at the Olympic Auditorium tonight after being discharged from the U.S. Air Force. 20 years old. So there's this program.

All right, I'll give you this one. This one may be quick. Billy Parks versus Indian War Cloud. Coach John Heath versus Don Hartnett. Crusher Swede Carlson versus Paul Adam. Ray Vilmer

versus Tiger Joe Tomaso and the main event for a tag title I will not name. Kurt and Carl Von Brauner, accompanied by their manager, General Monsal Weingroff, the tag team champions, versus Ramon and Alberto Torres. Okay. Well, Indian War Cloud and Billy Parks give me no help at all,

as did John Heath's opponent, what was his name? It is Coach John Heath versus Don Hartnett. Yeah, and Paul Adam, I don't know. John Heath, which led me down the path of Florida, was coach John Heath, who was a later on an integral part of the Florida Championship Wrestling Office. He did some commentary, but he ran some local towns. He was an amateur wrestling advocate and coach, you know, in the state of Florida.

Swede Carlson traveling heel. He was on another one of these cards. As a matter of fact, what the fuck was on the other card? He was, he was on that big show in Buffalo in 56. Ray Vilmer, it's another journeyman that was a name recognized in the 50s

and into the 60s. Tiger Tomaso was one of the assassins that Bobby Heenan broke into the businessman. And then Raymond and Alberto Torres, along with their brother Enrique Torres, were huge baby faces all over the south. And Enrique Torres had a big run in Southern California also. As a world champion. Yeah. And the Von Brauners and Saul were together from 1959 until 1973.

so that narrows this down a bit. But because the Torres brothers were big in Georgia, I wanted to say Georgia, but with John Heath on the card, I'm thinking we're in Florida. And the Von Brauners in 1960, 61, 62, that window of time were the dominant heel tag team down in Florida.

And they worked a lot of deals with Eddie Graham who was just getting over as a talent at that same time and getting into the office. We're in Tampa, 1961. Jim, the promoter, Al Richie.

Uh-oh. We are in Miami, Florida. Son of a bitch. Tuesday, January 14th, 1964. Oh! This is the new era. Tonight marks the beginning of a new era in the Florida wrestling industry, an entire new promotional group, including Miami promoter Al Richie, will strive to bring you the finest and wrestling talent available anywhere in the United States. So this is not Eddie Graham's

office. Son of a bitch. I guess wasn't even Eddie Grams yet in 64, was it? Well, but now the question is, John Heath, was he? Was this when the Florida office was forming? Here in the near future, Bruno San Martino, worldwide wrestling federation champion,

watch all newspaper advertising. Okay, bullshit. Gentlemen, Saul Weingraff for president. All right, let's go to one last. Let's end on a difficult one, just because you have had too much of an easy time lately. You're doing too well with ones that should be tough. This one, Jim, moving from a board.

The first event? Question mark. The semi-final. Okay. The semifinal? Question mark. What? And finally, the main event.

A question mark. What? This will be an extra wrestle royal. The Cowboys accident, and I believe it's Cowboy, yeah, right here, we are sorry to tell you, but Cowboy Latrell has been injured in an automobile accident and cannot be here tonight. We do not know how badly he was hurt. The last report we heard was that he was bruised and badly shaken up, and the doctors say some of his ribs may be broken.

Even though there are times when we wouldn't care if Cowboy did get his ornery neck twisted in the ring, we hope he will be all right and I'm sure we would all like to see him again soon the Cowboys accident knocked our main event for a loop so the promoter I will not name put together something they think the fans alike a wrestle royal with six wrestlers and the referee in the ring

and order of elimination determines the next three matches and the six wrestlers Jim Clinstock Gordon McKenzie Elmer Estep Ray Eckert Bill Bartush and

Wendy Black What How is that How's Wendy spelled? It spelled the way you would think it would be spelled That's why I'm looking There's no pictures There's just lots of question marks

Okay And that was Jim Klinstock not Jay Clenstock, right? Jim, that is correct. Okay. Jay Clinstock was a Native American descent wrestler that got killed in a dispute in a dentist office in North Carolina in the late 40s. I have the newspaper clippings.

Ray Eckert is probably the biggest name of any lasting legacy on this show. he was a top baby face that traveled around various places through the probably mid-40s to the late 50s, early 60s. Elmer Estep was a name. Billy Bartish was a name. Cowboy Luttrell was the biggest name of this whole thing who was hurt, but since he was later on, I mean, Luttrell was promoter at one point,

I believe he promoted Chattanooga tonight. for a period of time. And he promoted in a variety of different places, but he was the guy that eventually Eddie Graham took over from in Florida in the 60s. But if he was wrestling at this point, this has got to be in the 40s.

And there's almost no way to determine where this can be. And really a year on top of that. So now that I've admitted defeat in most every way, tell me the promoter and then see how close I can come to the goddamn location. It just says Mr. Terry. Mr. Terry is the promoter. Mr. Terry is the promoter.

You sure it's not mystery? Let me see if there's anything else that says anything about the promoter beyond Mr. Terry. I mean, there's jokes in this program. The tramp says, Would you pleatsk help? A poor man whose wife is out of work? Before marriage, bushels of kisses, after marriage, a few measly pecks. Truth.

Well, that's because of the measly pecker, though. Truth, crushed to earth, shall rise again. The eternal years of God are hers. But error, rise in pain. and dies among his worship. What are you fucking saying to me? These are the things that randomly appear in this program. I can't find the promoter's name beyond Mr. Terry.

All right. I have no idea what the fuck's going on here. This is the first one I've ever had to throw up my hands and not even make a guess. I don't know what to say. Jim, the date, October 24th, 1939. Jesus. The Roanoke Auditorium, Roanoke, Virginia.

Good Lord. Rowanoke, Virginia, one of my old hometowns. Yeah, there's, yeah, that's, that was something. Well, there it is. Just the program. You know, I really do love the fact that we hear from a lot of listeners who say, I don't know any of these people you guys are talking about, but based on what Jim explains, how he explains his thought process,

what he talks about, I learned so much about people I never would have known before. So that's guest the program. Jim, let's play some guest to program, get you in a good mood. I thought you'd never ask. Guest the program is where I go through programs in my collection. Give Jim. I give Gene details about the programs, and he guesses the time, the date. Quickly, I'll do it quickly today.

Everything he has. Let's get to this. Everything I've got, baby, in my borderline mystical way. This one. I did good in Buffalo the other. the other week. You did it spectacular, I would say that day. This one here, Jim, Grizzly Boone. Oh, good Lord. Versus Ron Garfield.

Alex Perez versus Stan Lane. Mani Fernandez. Versus Rathamias. Good Lord. Midgets, midgets, midgets. Butch Cassidy versus Little Tokyo in a tag team match, Jim, Dory Funk Jr. and Merced Solis

versus Mr. Pogo and Akio Sato and the main event for a tag championship, I won't name, David and Kevin Von Eric versus Ted DiBiase and Jack Mulligan. Good Lord.

Okay. Things became clear. After those first two matches, I thought I was in some kind of fucking hallucinatory state. Let's start. Grizzly Boone versus Ron Garfield. Grizzly Boone would later on become more widely seen out of the Georgia independence when he did some low-level stuff for WCW.

And wasn't he partners with, were they the commandos? he and Ray Candy? Or was that in Jody Hamilton's independent promotion in Georgia at that point in time? You may be right. Ron Garfield, at one point, Don Fargo was his brother too.

For whatever reason, during the, I believe, summer of 1978, Nick Goulis used Ron Garfield and his brother, Don Garfield, who was obvious, they even called him sometimes Don Fargo Garfield. Fargo had been in Nashville for 20 years

with their manager, Las Vegas, Louis. It's the only time I've ever heard of Ron Garfield being booked. Al Perez and Stan Lane, Alex Perez, was an old-time Tennessee favorite as a heel, but this is Al Perez, who later on would become Al-Perez, Perez with Gary Hart and everybody knows what's going on there. Stan Lane, wonder whatever happened to him. We'll come back to that. Manny Fernandez, the raging bull, against Rathamaius,

who was Bill Howard with some kind of hooded, druid-looking, spooky fucking gimmick that I never fully understood. But I loved the name because a lot of the fucking local ring announcers would, it was spelled R-A-T-A-M-Y-U-S, but I think especially the announcer in Indianapolis, Bob Beach, who was a mushmouth, called him Radimus. Butchcast in a little Tokyo, two of the midgets of the time. The two tip-off matches are Dory Funk Jr. teaming with Merced Solis, who would later become Tito Santana,

but this was very early in his career against Akio Sato who would later on work in the office in Kansas City and be one of the links to Japanese talent when they came to America and vice versa. And Mr. Pogo, God damn, he worked here also in 77 in Tennessee for a brief period of time, but what, it's not going to change my

knowledge of this card or this date, Brian, but Mr. Pogo, what was his Japanese name when he went back and was somewhat of a high-level star in Japan? What the fuck was his name? Well, he was still Mr. Pogo for FMW against Oneida years later. I was like one of Oneida's big feuds. Okay, then I guess he had another name here that he worked,

did he work under another name in Florida? Why am I thinking he had a name change? I just don't know. Nevertheless. And David and Kevin Von Erick against Ted DiBiase and Blackjack Mulligan, everybody knows who they are. And this is the West Texas territory when the Funks had sold it to Murdoch and Mulligan. And it was Stan Lane's first territory out of the Carolinas.

and because of that, I am going to say that this is 1979 in Amarillo, Texas. It is a program from February 9th, 1978, Lubbock, Texas. Ah! And what's interesting here is that the Von Erick... Lubbock instead of Amarillo,

also, there's 50 miles difference. The Von Erics are heels here, it appears. I'll go to an article here. Yes, because there was the thing of Dallas, and, you know, Mulligan was a hero in West Texas, and so was Teddy. American Tag Team Championship title can change hands on a countout side of the ring. Just two weeks ago tonight,

the Von Erick brothers did one of the most unsportsmanly things that has ever been seen in our local ring. Unsponsmanly? That's what it says. Uh-huh. But anyway, the most unsportsmanly thing that has ever been seen in our local ring, when, in a very tight spot, they left the ring and deliberately got counted out. There was every reason to believe that had they stayed in the match against the team of DiBiasea Mulligan,

they would have lost the American tag team title. A stiff fine was not enough, and the NWA is ordered a rematch, with the titles at stake and a special clause that reads, if they are counted out this time, the title can change hands. And the result written in, DiBiase and Mulligan won via disqualification. David and Kevin hit referee Terry Garvin. Good Lord.

They were full-fledged heels. Wow, I didn't realize they did that in 78. That's something. Well, see, here's the thing at this point in time. the Funks had sold the territory to Dick Murdoch and Blackjack Mulligan. And Murdoch and Mulligan business was down already. Murdoch and Mulligan were trying to make a go of it. The Funk's, I think Terry was already living in Florida maybe at that point.

I don't know, but Dory was on the card here, but, you know, it wasn't like this was a goddamn major money match with Dory Funk Jr. and the rest of the card, Stan was there in the West Texas territory, but they were having to bring in the Von Erics from Dallas as their main event guys. And that's when Fritz had brought the American Tag Team title into existence the year before when David and Kerry broke in and they were the first champions and they beat the Funks, as I recall, for the American Tag Team title to, establish it in Dallas.

And the funks from Amarillo from West Texas came in as the heels there against the baby face Von Erick's. When the Von Erick's, they had no the Von Erick's had no reputation at this point in time. They were rookies.

So they could come in and be heels because they're from Dallas going against our local guys. Simple as easy as that. I would have loved to have seen that in 78, how skinny David was. And Kevin was just starting out a couple of years in. David was a heck of a heel in Florida a couple years later, so he was probably pretty good. Yeah, I'd love to see that stuff, but let's go to our next program here, Jim.

Special added attraction, pro wrestler Tuffy Truesdale will wrestle a live eight-foot-long alligator. Russian-style wrestle royal. Four singles matches, as men are eliminated from Russell Royal, which will, contain, Carl and Eric von Brauner, Saul Weingroff, Herb Welch, Tamaya Soto, Corsica Joe,

Jose Moto, Chuck Conley, and Ronnie Etchison. There'll be an intermission with lucky numbers, and finally the main event, for a title I won't name. Wilbur Snyder, versus Al Costello.

Good Lord. This, Tuffy Truesdale not only had wrestling bears, but he also did a thing where he wrestled an eight-foot live alligator.

So that is, but he traveled, that could have been anywhere, any place. That doesn't tell us anything. Carl and Eric von Brauner and Saul Wengroff,

the Carl and Eric days. I believe we're in the mid-60s. Herb Welch being on the card puts us somewhere in the Tennessee territory because at that stage of his career, he was not still working out like Georgia or other territories. Corsica Joe also lends it to be the Tennessee territory, even though the Corsican brothers, Joe and Gene were on top in Georgia and Florida at various times. Chuck Conley was one of the original scuffling hillbillies along with Rip Collins. And Ronnie Etchison was a top baby face in the central states area for years and years, but he's out of place here.

The Al Costello Wilbur Snyder match, Al Costello was in between partners of in the kangaroos probably at this point, which is why it points me again to the mid-60s. And Snyder, the only quote, what title this would have been because I, it wouldn't be Snyder,

the United States champion, because that was in the 50s. Would it have been for Al Costello's international title, possibly. That one could lead you a lot of different ways, so I will just clarify what the title was. It was a return bout for Wilbur Snyder's

U.S. heavyweight championship. But then they've just made it up that he's, or was this when he was the United States champion in San Francisco? But this is still in Tennessee or thereabouts. This is very, or did they just say, we're bringing Wilbur Snyder in, the U.S. champion.

And Costello was a single heel. I don't know that this looks like a Memphis card, but it might be something for Nashville. Uh, fuck it, I'll say Memphis. 1965. Ooh. Huh? Jim, Memphis, Tennessee.

Monday night, October 10th, 1996. Shit! You know what? This makes sense as I go back and look because this is a lousy card, to be honest with you. And the very next year is when Roy Welch would say to Jerry Jared, why don't you see if you can book this thing? He was burnout, running out of ideas and talent.

I wasn't familiar with Wilbur Snyder's Memphis run. That's what surprised me about this thing. Well, that's the thing is there was not a United States title recognized in the Memphis territory for any length of time at any point. So in 1966, what U.S. title would Wilbur Snyder have had less they just gave him one? Let Tretch Phillips wrestle with your insurance problems, now connected with the Continental Assurance Company, Memphis, Tennessee. You know what Tretch is short for, don't you?

Treacherous. Treacherous. Treacherous Phillips. All right, Jim, this next program, I'm going to institute one of the rules that we've used previously in Leave Off One Match, which could be too much of a giveaway. That would be the opening match. All right. The second match, I believe this would indicate one fall 30-minute time limit, the Butcher versus Battleship Johnson. The third match?

Two out of three falls, two-hour time limit, no DQ, world tag title, two different tag title claimants, The Enforcer and Ox Baker, versus Chief Hill and Al Madrille. An intermission, match four, one fall to a finish, Maniat Tullus, versus Freddie Blassie.

One last intermission. And finally, one fall 45-minute time limit. Chavo Guerrero versus Victor Rivera. Warning, no throwing anything into the ring or touching wrestlers at any time. You will be fined and or arrested if caught doing so. Okay, good Lord. here is the opening match.

I don't know. Was Gene LaBelle in it? No. The butcher, I mean, is that butcher Branigan? Butcher Vashan, probably not. That's open to interpretation.

Battleship Johnson didn't make a large impression on the wrestling profession, apparently. Ox, that's Ox Baker, right? Ox. Correct. Ox Baker and the enforcer.

And the enforcer would be Enforcer Luciano? One of the worst wrestlers ever. Yes, that's correct. Okay. Chief Hill would be Frank Hill, who later became Jewel's Strongbow, Jay Strongbow's last tag team partner. They were the Strongbow brothers. And Al Madrille, a journeyman in a variety of places.

Let's skip to the main event. Chavo Guerrero, that Chavo Sr. and Victor Rivera, all things point toward this being the dying days of the Los Angeles territory, except suddenly there's the biggest drawing match in the history of Southern California wrestling. John Tolos and Fred Blassie is the semifinal, but this was not 1971 in the L.A. Coliseum. So my thought is that Michael LeBell was trying to do something, anything,

and some way or another, the California Commission, which had necessitated Blassie, leaving the state and moving to become a manager for Vince Senior in the Northeast, in 1973 because that's when he turned 55 and he couldn't get a wrestling license. This is, I'm going to say, at least five years later, if not six, Chavo was still a young, fiery baby face and Rivera, they both lived out there. Rivera had made money there before, but this is Los Angeles at a very poor period of time

for business and I'm going to say 1979. Ooh, once again. Oh, Jim, it's the Olympic Auditorium Los Angeles, California. Friday, November 7th, 1980. Oh, even worse.

The more recent it gets, the worse the business was. So, Fred there was 62. And he looks 72. The match I didn't tell you, I thought it would be too much of a giveaway. I don't even understand exactly what it is. Okay. Three fall 30-minute time limit, seemingly it indicates, a 3-3-3 match.

The Assassin, Mondo Guerrero, and Cowboy Tom. Huh. Which is Tom Pritchard, I believe. Yep. But I don't know what that is. What's a 3-3 match? Is that a three-way match? I don't know what the fuck they're doing there.

But it would seem like it. But is it a three-fall 30-minute match with three guys, is it some kind of deal where they rotate and the first person to win two falls or some, I don't know? Maybe. Maybe. But Cowboy Tom was Tom Pritchard. that was one of his first ventures out of Texas.

Mondo was obviously Chavo's brother. The assassin, was that Renesto? Was he trying to book for them then? Or maybe they just put some guy under a fucking hood. But Renesto worked for that office at some point. Well, there it is. I thought Cowboy Tom would be the big giveaway for you.

You wouldn't turn down. Jim, our next program here. This one will be tough. It took me a while to actually figure out the date. Oh, boy. The opening bout, a special handicap match. The undefeated Crusher Derek, 278 pounds,

versus John Gazzardo, Len Gazzardo, and Don Reese. 250, 260, and 230 pounds individually. A one-fall midget match, 30-minute time limit. Little Tojo from Japan versus Mighty Little John from Kentucky. Huh. Main event number two, one fall to a finish. World champion Paul Christie, 222 pounds, Evergreen Park,

versus Wildman Alexi. Okay, Jim Alexi. 240 pounds, grease. And finally, the main event, two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit, graduate Angelo Pafo, and Thunderbolt Williams versus the White Knight

and the masked adventure. Okay. This, first of a Crusher, what was his last name? Crusher Derek, hey Derek. Crusher Derek, that's right. Yeah, and the other guys, the midgets or outlaw midgets, the only White Nightmast Adventure who knows Thunderbolt Williams, no fucking clue.

The giveaways here are the World Heavyweight Championship match with Paul Christie as the champion against Jim Alexi, and Angelo Pafo being in the main event, this was when Paul Christie at one point in time was the world champion for Phil Golden's All-Star Wrestling and that Angelo Pafo worked a program with him and was the top heel back in that 72, 73 period when Phil Golden was trying to compete in Louisville

in different places with Jared and Goulas. And then later on, that same territory as we've talked about, Pafo would try to run when he had the ICW with his sons, Randy, and Lani. And at one point after Phil Golden had pulled out, Pafo continued on with putting some of his own money in it. That's the only thing he'd spend money on is promoting wrestling. So I think this is Angelo Pafo using Paul Christie, who lived in the Illinois area,

as the world champion after that TV had folded and just running his own independent show. And so I'm going to say that this is somewhere in the southern Illinois or western Kentucky area in 1974. All right, well, you may be right about the first part or the second part. The town, Racine, Wisconsin. Oh, no, I'm not. That's way off. The promoter, I just saw his name, Dick Carlson. And the date, Sunday, February 4th, 1973. Okay, I was one year off, but racing, Wisconsin.

is a long way away. But this was a, and the promoter, Dick Carlson, this was an Angelo Pafo production. Some way or another, he found this guy and got, because Racine in 1974 was a AWA territory. Vern could not have been happy.

Paul Christie was working for Bruiser at that point in Indiana. So he was around and Angelo being the only other name on his whole show he got this guy to run this town and had a piece set for whatever reason. Based on what I know and pictures I've seen, I think the little photos of the white night in this program, I think it could be Randy Savage. That's very possible. I think it's him. Yeah.

Wow. Well, there we go. Racine, 1973. At least one last program here, Jim. This one. I'm going to use the rule and leave off one match, the opening match. Okay. $1,000 bounty match.

John Conjury versus Tommy Gilbert. $5,000 challenge match. Buzz Sawyer versus Sweet Brown Sugar. Cocoa, Samoa and El Gran Apollo versus the Outlaws. Dory Funk Jr., and Terry Funk versus Mike Graham and Jerry Lawler

and the main event for a title I won't name Dusty Rhodes versus the assassin assassin number one actually is what it says Assassin number one okay John Condry is not Dennis Conry

and I don't know whether he went any further or not or if he changed his name or whatever buzz sawyer against sweet brown sugar that's early buzz and sweet brown sugar was skip young there not the cocoa ware version cocoa samoa would later on in memphis become saboo the wild man but he was the original saboo before saboo existed but He was primarily, he looked like Jimmy Snooka, except he was six inches shorter, had the same body, used to claim he was related to him. El Grasn Apollo was this good-looking baby-faced kid that worked in Florida,

which is where we are in the late 70s, early 80s, and drew money because he was Hispanic and that was part of their market. I'm not sure who the outlaws are here. Would that have been the Davidson brothers? Would it have been the Ron Bass and someone? Nevertheless, the Funks against Mike Graham and Jerry Lawler, this was when Lawler was making shots in Florida, and Funk was making shots in Memphis.

And Dusty against Assassin number one, that's Jody. So the question is, where in Florida is this in 1981? I believe 80, or am I jumping ahead because it might be 82? No, because Tommy Gilbert was not working to Florida territory in 1982, I don't believe, but he was there in 81. This is 1981 in, if Lawler's on the card, it has to be one of the bigger shows because he only made shots. St. Petersburg, 1981. The date, July 14th,

1981, Tampa, Florida, Fort Hester League Armory, Tuesday night. I was 20 miles off. The match I didn't name was Hero Matsuda versus Kelly Kinnisky, and the title I didn't name was the World Heavyweight title. This was a Dusty Roads' World Title Defense. That would have narrowed it down to, that would have given me the year there because of all of them.

All right. this begins the dramatic portion of the show. Gee, should we open our hymnals to page 72? You know, we were going to play, uh, play. We were going to go through some listener questions. We were going to maybe play a song or two, but we've got Tony Kahn audio, so that may take the matter. Oh, wow, wait a hold, hold on. Hold on.

That's the only sound effect I've got anymore I can get away with here. I should have a screeching, Screeching tire effect, because wild card, bitches, I got something for you. The guest the program segment is not over. Because now the tables are going to be turned and the worm is going to turn and the mood is going to change.

The seas are going to ebb and flow because now the shoe, as they say, for another simile, Brian, is going to be on the other foot. I got a card for you, baby. Would you like to take up my chance? See, this is the opening, segment of Raw, where I come out of it, would you like to take my challenge for tonight? I got a card for you. I want to see if you can determine where and when.

Chicago, 1949. I'll let you know what the matches are. Black Cat's going to do you. It was worth a guess, because if I had hit, that would have been the most impressive thing ever. Oh, well, then I wouldn't have told you and I'd never spoke to you. I'd have made up some reason that, no, I can't talk to him again. He's got bad foot odor. But are you ready to accept this challenge here, fellow?

I want to hear all about Greensboro, 1977. You won't quit, will you? You won't quit, will you? No, let's do it. I'll look it forward to this. Let's do this. All right. This is going to be funny or you think it's going to be.

The first match, the invader versus executioner number two. The second match, Don Hogan versus executioner number one. And then we have the first of a big triple main event. For the United States Heavyweight Championship, Junior Adams takes on Eclipseo, managed by Big Eddie. Next up for the World Heavyweight Championship. This obviously, of course, I would assume it's going to be a one-fall 60-minute time limit contest. Greg Smith versus Stanley Flair.

And then finally, the six-man tag team grudge match. The Tucker brothers, Jim and Larry, teaming up with Playboy Barry Hill against the Doyle brothers, Danny and Bobby Bow, and their partner, Rick McCord. Finally a name. Finally. All right. Hold on. I'm actually, I was writing it down, so I'm just finishing in. Rick McCord.

Yes. A popular bleach blonde undercard. of the 80s. Because of him, I'm going to say it's the Carolinas. Because of the randomness and the... If Jack Feffer was aliveness of some of the names, I almost was going to go at Malden, Missouri. Just like the kind of names you would hear on one of those shows.

Yes, yes. Like, yeah. All right. I'm going with... This can't be in like a legitimate city. This can't be like Charlotte. This can't be Greensboro. I don't even think it could be Raleigh.

I'm going, I'm going with Raleigh. It's going to be South Carolina. I'm going with Raleigh 19. Don Hogan. Don Hogan. See, was it Stanley Flair? Was that the name you said?

Stanley Flair. Now, wait a minute. you know, I was going to go in the 80s. I'm going to, I'm going to guess maybe Don Hogan. You know what? I think it's worth it to go with an early. Don Hogan, wasn't he a famous golfer? Or was that that is another Hogan?

I don't know. Ben Hogan. I'm going to go with Columbia, South Carolina, in 1977. You know what? You son of a bitch, when you said Greensboro, North Carolina, 1977 as a joke before I gave you the card, I was almost ready to piss myself.

You were three weeks and like fucking 60 miles away. Man. See, I told you it was a good philosophy. It could work. It could work. God damn you. This was Mount Airy, North Carolina, Saturday, January 21st, 1978. And Mount Airy,

is, oh God, lived in Charlotte so long, but is it 90 miles straight north of Charlotte, almost to the Virginia state line. Mount Airy, North Carolina, is where Francis Bavier, that played Aunt B on Andy Griffith lived for years and years, and Mount Airy is kind of like the Mayberry. That's technically, you know, what Andy Griffith, you know, Mount Pilot in the Andy Griffith Show, Pilot Mountain, North Carolina, these places. So nevertheless, that's what Mount Airy is known for. It's not a very, it's not a city. It's like you saying Raleigh, it compared to Mount Airy is like New York compared to

fucking Columbus, Georgia. It's a little, a little fine little place. See, I'll just let you know before you reveal anything else, my train of thought here, Rick McCord took me to mid or early 80s in the Carolinas. But then I'm thinking, this card cannot be booked in a legitimate building in any big city. It just couldn't. Executioners, if you got magazines, you saw there were massed executioners in the WWWF. I don't know who Big Eddie or Eclipse or Junior Adams or the Tucker's or the Doyles.

Get out of the way for old Dan Tucker. He's too late to have his. supper. You know who they all are? They're all a bunch of guys who got together and did this. I'm going to tell you why. And by the way, I'll go ahead. I was going to say what threw me back to going to the 70s at the very end, because Don Hogan made me think, okay, Hogan's a big name and, you know, this Randy Hogan, maybe Don Hogan was like that. But Stan. I think that was probably his real name. Stanley Flair. When I paused on that for a moment, I said, wait a minute. And I don't think I've ever seen a card with Stanley Flair, so it really got me thinking.

Then I thought South Carolina, but I was close. But that's the thing is this. Well, first of all, I want to thank Jeff Sharkey, who sent this to me because he was searching for something for some reason and came upon an ad for it. This is an indie show from Mount Airy, North Carolina, the Reeves Community Center, January 21, 1978 and

there is the Eclipseo by the way is spelled in the ad Exipso E-C-S-I-P-S-O But Jeff says there was an ACW I think it was a Virginia independent that Rick McCord

and Boris Zerkoff Jim Nelson because he was from the Carolinas before he became had started and Eclipseo worked with them Stan had told me and this was not the one

but his first ever match was like him and remember Steve Travis whose real name was Steve Muslin he was from Virginia or upper North Carolina there and they had been fans Stan had been watching since the 60s George Catalina Drake

but they had gotten in there was some early outlaw group like in the mid-70s and and Stan was supposed to wrestle but he had ended up hurting himself somehow training so he managed another guy Steve Travis was on the card and they never did it again and then Flair started training him after they met at the you know the Hilton and Myrtle Beach when Stan was doing room service and brought the 10 bloody Mary's to Flair's room at fucking 9 o'clock or whatever. And before their first territory, or his first territory, stands, we talked about this on the guest program, was Amarillo, West Texas,

because Blackjack Mulligan was friends with Flair. They had worked that big angle into Carolinas. They were close friends. So Flair knew Blackjack needed talents, so he got stand booked in, Amarillo, but before, because that was February, completely independently of us doing that guest to program, I just seen my email that Jeff had sent me this ad, but this was like two weeks before he left town to go to his first territory.

And it was an indie show, and they called him Stanley Flair because Flair had been training him. and it also says watch championship wrestling on Saturday night at 1 a.m. on WXII TV 12. Oh, wow. Which, but here's the thing. I don't know. This was before easy home video cameras. I don't know what the fuck they were doing in the way of a television show, but they had obviously paid because I think Channel 12 is from the Greensboro, Raleigh,

Winston-Salem area. So they got some off-brand TV show. Stan was not involved in the promotion of this. But Rick McCord, who's from Roanoke, Virginia, or Salem, that's when he was just starting to break in. So whoever these outlaws were, they had some off-brand TV show on at 1 o'clock in the morning, and their world heavyweight champion was Greg Smith. Steve Travis, one of the last young baby faces the wrong,

rock a mustache. Yeah, you, you know what? That's right. And then it, the worm turned. All right. This has been guest to program. I'm happy with my performance here. You, I mean, I don't, I don't fault you for your second guess.

That would have been close enough. But the first one that you just pulled out of your ass because you were being a prick was ridiculous. All right. All right, Jim. Let's play some guest to program. Guest the program. Oh, I love you.

I love doing this. We've been doing this lately, and I'm getting so much practice. I'm getting better. It's a popular game here on the show where we go through programs in my collection, usually ones I have to file away, and Jim, based on information given to him, usually the card, will guess as much information as he can. The date, the locale, the temperature, the time, the referees. All right now.

Let me start you with one. Not doing the weather. I've got some very interesting ones here today. Let's start with... Not that one. Let's start with this one. I'm just doing the hum. Well, thank you.

That's very helpful. All right, Jim, the first one. I'm going to read you the names written in for the competitors who are not there without naming. Well, I'm not going to name one. What are you saying? going to read me the names without naming anybody? No, well, there are... Is what you're saying to me?

There are notes in the program where the people who were not on the card who weren't there were crossed out and other names are written in for who actually wrestled. All right, so we'll... Okay, okay, I got so... So what are you giving me now? Well, let's go through the card here. Okay. Matt Gibson versus Frank Valois.

Lord. The Great Mephisto... versus Butcher Branigan, a special one-fall 30-minute time-limit handicap match. Andre the Giant versus Ramon Lopez and Leo Sites. The semi-final, two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit, written in Dale Lewis versus Pete Sanchez. And the main event, two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit. Ivan Pottsky

versus Blackjack Mulligan Okay This is not what you would expect I am going to say Well let me go through the card Frank Valois obviously was the handler

for the early years of Andre the Giant and so him being on the card it makes sense because Andre's on it later. The great Mephisto against Butcher Branigan, and then Andre following in a handicap match, well, Butcher Brannigan had a run in the WWWF, but Mephisto didn't. And with Andre being in a handicap match

against two less than stellar opponents, that indicates to me this is early. Andre Turing. Val was with him. He's just in a handicap match. They didn't need

to book him against any name because people just wanted to see him the first time. Professor Dale Lewis and Pete Sanchez, again,

Pete Sanchez, if I'm not mistaken, was a noted under- undercard guy in the Northeast, which is why I think you're trying

to fuck with me here. But Dale Lewis wasn't. and Ivan Putzky and Blackjack Mulligan were both on top in the state of Texas in the mid-70s and so therefore I would say that this is the Dallas Sportatorium and the only thing I'm waffling about is

whether it's 1974 or 1975 and I'm going to say fuck I can't remember when the black first went to the WWWF. It's 1974. The date Monday, December 3rd, 1973, the Northside Coliseum,

Fort Worth, Texas. Fort Worth, Texas, not Dallas but Fort Worth. But I missed it by, what, 21 days of being 1974? And a few miles, that's right. Notice the people. and Frito Pie concessions have been opened. Go down the ramp on the west side, also beer and soft drinks. Brian, do you know you're a Yankee Northern son of a bitch?

Do you know what a Frito pie is? I've never heard of a Frito pie before, no. They take the individual snack bag of Fritos, the plastic, well, it used to be a nice, you know, even a small bag of Fritos used to be nice size. I'm not talking about something now like size of baseball. But the plastic sack of the Fritos

and they fucking pull it open and they dump a goddamn big old spoon full of chili in there and maybe sprinkle some cheese on it and stick a spoon in it and sell it to you. That's a Frito pie, baby. Some interesting advertising here. Santa Land Christmas, 1973.

Thrill your child. with a personal letter from Santa. Truly a beautiful, ever-so-welcome thought. Send $1, money order, or check, with each child's name and address, mail early, satisfaction guaranteed, offer good until December 15, 1973. Santa has a letter that all parents will respect.

Send $1 check or money order to Santa Land is a P.O. box in Irving, Texas. ever get a letter from Santa when you were a kid? From Irving, Texas? No. I know. I know. No, I shouldn't you. I've got here over in my my dad's old desk in the corner of the office over there

where I have some of my childhood papers. I actually, you got a letter. I think it's 1964. I can't remember. But you got a letter with the North Pole cancellation. What's the word I'm searching for? Boom. They stamp to stamp.

They canceled the stamp. It says North Pole, Alaska, and it's on stationary with snowflakes and reindeer and Santa, tells you you've been a nice little child. One more thing to ask you about in this program, because I don't know anything about it. I told you that there were a couple names written in. Dale Lewis was written in for Jose Lethario, which, thank God, that would have been a giveaway, in a sense, even though you got it or came close. Matt Gibson was written in for Ricky Gibson

And there's a photo of Ricky Gibson here And it says Matt Gibson wants match with Lewis Matt Gibson stormed into the Northside Coliseum last week And won over the fans with its exciting wrestling And his victory over Blackie Gordman Matt The older brother of another sensation to hit Fort Worth Ricky

came to Texas to avenge and injury to his younger brother. Ricky was scheduled to wrestle last week, but Matt replaced him since Ricky's knee injury was worse than expected. Let me stop there. Crazy to read about his knee injury in 73. Well, that's, you know, Ricky Gibson already at that point was just doing such athletic shit that, you know, he was bound to get hurt sooner or later.

Do you know who Matt Gibson would have been? I remember a Matt Gibson working shows in the mid-70s in the southern United States, but I didn't know that he was ever billed as a brother of Ricky Gibson. It could be that they had brought Ricky in from Alabama to push him as a young baby-faced. He hurt his knee and went home, and they said, ah, we've already got this in the Gibson thing, so they made him a brother. That may be how he got started, but I don't know. that Matt ever went anywhere.

And it wasn't until, come to think of it, it was like April-ish, April or May of 74 that Ricky Gibson came into the Memphis territory and immediately got over and did the program with Lawler

for the Southern Junior heavyweight title as it was called then that involved Fargo and led to the Fargo Lawler matches of 74. So Ricky Gibson, five, six months after that program that you just read, would be on top with Lawler in the Mid-South Coliseum on sellouts, drawn over 11,000 people. And he won the belt and traded it back and forth with Lawler.

So those were the first live, Lawler matches practically that I saw was Ricky Gibson and it. And it was just incredible. And you think this may have been one of those early examples of the guy getting the push gets hurt and all of a sudden the next week, you know, the Tonga kid shows up or, you know, my brother got hurt, Stella May shows up. Yeah, you're not going to get away what you did to my brother who has long hair just like me. All right, Jim, let's go to our next card here.

I'm going to not tell you the opening match. I'm going to leave it off. That'll be the one match not told to you. Hans Schmidt. Who? Versus Tony Nero. The Big O. And then in parentheses, because he's been undermined.

masked, Mike Davis versus Buddy Fuller. Wait, what now? The Big O Mike Davis versus Buddy Fuller? Because he was he was the big O, but he was unmasked, and now he is Mike Davis. Okay.

Tag team match, the Great Melenko and Hans Mortier versus Joe Scarpa and King Louis Talet. And finally, Texas Tornado match Six-man tag team match All six men in the ring at the same time

Cyclone Negro The Gladiator and Jack Briscoe versus the medics and the good doctor Huh Okay Um

Boy howdy Han Schmidt stands out on that card like a spare prick at the wedding, as Adrian Street would say. Against Tony Nero, it sounded like we were in the Marigold Arena in Chicago or something at some, you know, some point in the 50s. But then the reason why I clarified the Big O, he had been the masked Big O, because Big O obviously was Bob Wharton's senior's nickname. And because of the location that I believe we're probably in, it would be, it could have been Bob Wharton, senior, but Mike Davis was the real name of the future brute slash Bugsy McGraw. Buddy Fuller, obviously, a southern legend, son of Roy Welch, father of Ron and Robert

Fuller, member of the Welch family, which, again, because of where we are is probably pertinent, the great Malenko, Boris Malenko and Hans Mordier, against Jay Scarpa and Louis Telet, with the except Mordier is probably more known for his run in the northeast with the weird headgear, but Malenko, Scarpa, and Telet are Florida legends in this time period. and a Texas tornado six man with Cyclone Negro, who was used heavily in Florida,

the gladiator who, God damn it, I ought to know who that is, and I can't call his name, and Jack Briscoe, against the medics and the good doctor, kind of rounds out that this is the state of Florida. Again, you know,

I don't know whether it's Miami or Tampa. I'm going to quit picking St. Petersburg. That's where all the big shows happened, but this was the era before they were probably running the St. Petersburg Civic Center. A simpler time. Could this have been

in 1971 in the Miami Beach Convention Center? Jim, we are in the Miami Beach Auditorium. Oh! Wednesday, May 7th, 1969. This is the ringside program. I would have gone earlier if I'd have studied more on it, but I didn't want to waste everybody's time. Jim, here are the ticket prices.

Ringside $4, reserved $3, general admission $2, and children $1. Championship Wrestling from Florida with Gordon Solie is seen each Saturday, 230 to 330 p.m. W. LBWTV, ABC, in color, Channel 10. Also, listen to this. Hey, 1969 in color. I wonder if those tapes are locked up in the vault, up in the mountain for the WW. You know, there are still wrestling shows, or I say they are still.

There were still wrestling shows in black and white, like into the 70s, right? not even if you had a black and white set, just they were filmed in black and white. Yeah, and I'm not sure, honestly, when, that it was pretty standard that everything and every local station was in color,

but you can find examples of local news and a few, you know, film clips that are still available of wrestling from the early 70s that are in black and white. But by, by 69 or 70, I think almost everybody would have made the change. Hey, listen to this. Listen to tonight's live broadcast on radio station WEDR 99.1 FM.

Also Sunday, 3.30 to 5.30 p.m. Were they broadcasting to Miami Beach shows, like the audio of them? Possibly. Wow. I don't know. It's a two-hour block. Well, there it is, Miami. Well, what else did they have to do on Sunday afternoon?

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One Fall 30 Minutes Brother Frank versus Dennis Clary The semi wind-up Tag team bout two out of three falls 45 minute time limit Gino Garibaldi

and Chick Garibaldi versus Al Smith and John Smith and finally the main event, Jim, two out of three falls, one hour time limit, Baron Leonie versus Billy Varga. Holy crap, all righty. I'm not sure of the Crotoria fellow in the opening contest,

although Bruiser Bedlam's real name was Croix. I could never say it either. He spelled it for me. C-R-O-T-U-R-I-A, I believe, C-T-O-R-R-A, or something like that. Crotoriu. There was a U on the end. I don't know what that means.

But nevertheless, Al-King-Kong-Kashi was a veteran villain in the wrestling business. And wouldn't he the guy they picked to have Vern Ganya's first pro-match? with in Minneapolis? I believe he was. Brother Frank is Brother Frank Jairs who was the father of Joe Jers who

wrote the book, whatever happened to Gorgeous George about his father's exploits in wrestling business, specifically in the old Tennessee and Alabama territory in the 50s, which this is not where that's at. Dennis Clary, uh, I'm not

sure he ever, gained fame and fortune Chick and Gino Garibaldi against Al and John Smith the Garibaldis we've talked about it was a fat were they all all legitimately related

or one was a son one was a father but was the other one was Leo were they legitimate now Leo was the son of Gino chick I'm not sure about chick may Chick may have been a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Al and John Smith had beards. They were twin brothers, and they had these long, bushy beards, like the Smith brothers cough drops that were on the stands back in those days. And that's why they took the name. And they were a heel tag team through the 50s. And Baron Leonie set the gate record in Los Angeles

with Luthes, in the early 50s at Billy Varga was a Los Angeles mainstay and was on a lot of TV shows in the 60s because they all shot in Hollywood. And so that's where we are here. We are in Los Angeles, I don't, or the Southern California territory, I believe. The problem is I have a hard time believing this is an Olympic auditorium car,

but anything's possible. But from the people on the card, I would say the year would be 1957 and we're in Southern California but not the Olympic Auditorium. How do I do? You did pretty good in some parts and almost there in other parts.

It's Long Beach, California, the Long Beach Municipal Auditorium, so you get Southern California. Okay. Thursday, April 17th, 1952. Oh, boy, that was old. So then Frank Jairs had never even been the Southern Junior heavyweight champion for Nick Goulis and Roy Welch at that point. Yeah, that was a tough one. Some interesting things here.

They got a, I guess, a little humor section. She was only a grave digger's daughter, but you ought to see. her lower the beer. Here's another one. The visitor says... If you're not up on your funeral terminology, you wouldn't even really get that, would you? The visitor says, can you tell me the name of this school? The young man says, sorry, I'm just a football player here. When he threatened to drive her over a cliff and a taxi, she just laughed.

She knew the cab was yellow. That's stupid. I'll give a fur muff For a kiss What? A fur necklace For a hug A fur coat For and then another person

It goes, stop! That's fur enough All right, there's a free dance every Saturday night Veterans use your local VFW Club You know the guy that wrote that Brian He was bred in old Kentucky But he's just a crumb down here I guess so But that's the update here.

Also does a safety notice for your own protection. Please do not sit on the back of the seats as we are not responsible in case of injury. The seats are not fastened down and topple over very easily. So there's that program. All right, Jim, our next one here. I've heard of having them on the edge of their seats, but the back of their seats? The opening contest. Mickey Doyle and Gene Madrid

versus Louis Martinez and Steve Bolus The second match Princess Partlow versus Betty Nicoli Nikolai Nikolai, excuse me I never saw Ms. Nikolai, I've only seen her name

the third match I've never seen her wrestle but I had, well, nevertheless. Her fur muff, what was it in the other thing? Let's go back to this. The fourth match, Jim, Rufus R. Jones versus Hans Schmidt. Jesus Christ, Hans Schmidt's a time traveler. He's everywhere. The fifth match, for a title I will not name, the champion Harley Race versus Dewey Robertson.

Ah, now it becomes more clear. The finale, an Australian tag team match, Black Jackalanza and Big Bill Miller versus Jack Briscoe and Pat O'Connor and the main event for a title I will not name the champion Dory Funk Jr. Yeah.

Versus Johnny Valentine, two out of three falls, one hour time limit, two minute rest period between falls. What a night in the Keelaw to or could it have been the checker dome, otherwise known as the arena, except for when Ralston Purina got the naming rights? Do they even make dog food from Ralston Purina anymore, checkerboard square?

I don't know. I know Purina Cat Chow from the commercials. Well, so they've gone over to the other side, huh? They've forsaken the dogs and gone over to sympathize with cats. I see the way this. I guess so, but I'll give it to you because you know what? It's not even a question. You got it. It's the Kiel Auditorium St. Louis. But let's talk about the day. Well, yes. Let's talk about the day. Well, first of all, going up and down the card, Mickey Doyle,

good friend of Tom Pritchards and a would become a Detroit mainstay. Is the Gene Madrid here, Gypsy Joe? Or would that because? I don't know. Gene Madrid here. I can't. 234, Spain. Well, I can't keep track of whether he was Jan Madrid or Gene Madrid or whatever at one point in time. But Luis Martinez, Arima! Longtime Midwest Hispanic star. Princess Partlow was Sandy Partlo, who, along with Betty Nicolai, were two of Mullah's girls at that point in time. Rufus R. Jones was a Central States.

baby face icon before he went to the Carolinas or some places in the south where he was seen later on. As I said, Hans Schmidt's every goddamn wear. The title that you didn't want to mention with Harley Race and Dewey Robertson, who would later become the missing link, was the Central States title, right? That is correct. And then Lanza and Bill Miller against Jack Briscoe and Pat O'Connor, that told me where we were at. And then Funk and Valentine confirms it, and this has got to be during Dory's title reign between 1969, 1973, and I am going to, based on my available borderline mystical knowledge, say that it's 1971.

Jim McHill Auditorium, St. Louis, Missouri, Friday night, June 18th, 19th, 1970. 71. Ah! Home run for Jim Cornett. Prack! Boom! Ticket prices. $2, $3, $4, and $5. And a bargain at twice a price.

All right, Jim, our next program here. Midget match. Lord Littlebrook versus Ball Brummel. Wait, how did you say that? Ball Brummel. well it would either be or bull instead of bull

bull brummel but it's because it's the midget match I fucked it up I'm so bold bowl brummel but actually no it would be

bow brummel and they fucking fucked it up the printers because that's was the midgett's name was Bo Brummel he was a fancy Dan Bo Brummel character

obviously as we've determined he's known as a lot of different things people were calling him all kinds of names. Jim, a tournament match. One more loss will disqualify Clancy, Irish Mike Clancy versus George Grant. And I'll tell you,

Irish Mike Clancy has five wins, one loss, George Grant, one win, no loss. For the World Tag Team Championship, the Fields Brothers, Don and Luke, the champions, versus Kingji Shibuya and El Zorro. And finally, a tournament match

one more loss to disqualify either Tor Yamato with seven wins and one loss versus Leapin Larry Shane five wins one loss well this is a this is a Welch family territory

uh we got that much so far. Little Brooke, this is early in his career. He would go on and remember he managed the New Zealand militia in WCW and like 89 or 90 or whatever it was. And at that point he had been the booker for the midgets for years at that point. He had taken over from Littlebrook was based out of the central states and originally the midgets had been booked out of Montreal. And when they made the switch, he ended up with it. George Grant was gorgeous George Grant, who tried to make people think he was the original

to the point we've talked about it, where when he died, his obituary said he was the original gorgeous George. Irish Mike Clancy was at one point, the NWA World Junior Heavyweight Champion, was a top name, especially in the South, during this time period. With the World Tag Team title being held

by Don and Luke Fields. The Fields are cousins of the Welch's. They had a long run during this time period in the Tennessee territory. But at the same time, they were also working Alabama when it was separate.

Kenji Shibuya would have been very young at this point, and I'm not sure who Zorro was. And with the main event, Larry Shane and Tori, Tori Yamato was the Japanese heel that Goulis and Welch used quite extensively the few years before

Harold Watanavi showed up and they made him Tojo Yamamoto because Tori Yamato had been over so big and then Tojo Yamamoto became one of the top three baby faces of their entire 60s and 70s run having said all of that, it's got to be, is this a Memphis card in the early,

in the like 1960 or 61, or is this Birmingham maybe during the same time period? I'm going to go with Birmingham, Alabama in 1960. Jim, Birmingham, Alabama. It's the... Oh! The Southern Wrestler, the official Birmingham wrestling program, Monday, September 7th, 1959.

All righty, well, I was still close. Special, can you find your name? Several wrestling, most of our fans can't find their way home. Several wrestling fans' names appear somewhere in this program. If you can locate yours, bring it to ringside before tonight's matches are over, and you will receive one silver dollar. That's a pretty good deal. So basically, if you can over the next two to three hours,

figure out how to read your own fucking name, we will pay you a dollar. That's exactly right, so it seems. How's this for a headline? New jibh and mask man go for tag battle. Kenji Shibuya proved last week to be almost as tough as Tori Yamato, much to the disgust of hating fans.

That's a hell of a hell of a story there in this issue of the... Well, remember now 14 years after World War II things were still not copacetic. And that's... You'll find that terminology

and especially because again, it wasn't just because the South is known for their questionable approach to race. Archie Bunker. Well, but it was the same people running. That's why Jarrett's booking took off in Memphis because he was a new guy.

Goulis and Welch were using the same terminology in 1977 that they'd used in 1947. Nick was still putting in his newspaper ads in 1978. See the nation's top colored mat start. Oh, my God. I swear to God, I've got posters. That's crazy. I got posters.

And so, because he didn't know any better. But, you know, that was the terminology that all the promoters used. And when the guy had been running the business for 40 years, that's what you got. A couple other interesting things in here. By the way, this was a Southern Elimination tournament round 15. It sounds like Tony Khan was booking this point in time in 1915. Live studio matches. Thrilling live matches are held each Saturday evening at 10.30 p.m.

At WAPI TV Channel 13. Free tickets available to all fans by writing Nicholas and Roy Welch, Bankhead Hotel, Birmingham, Alabama, include a self-address stamped envelope. Every person must have a ticket. 10.30 at night, they were taping live wrestling. That's crazy. well Eddie Marlin told me in 19 when I started doing TV in 1982 because we'd come in you know

it'd have been either a late night the night before a show when you didn't get back to Memphis till after midnight here we are at 10 o'clock the morning we're at the studio or when you had to leave Nashville and go to TV you had to leave Nashville at fucking six o'clock in the morning to make TV and he said boys it ain't anywhere like it used to be they were so hot in the early 70s where Nick had studio television shows in every one of his major markets, and they were running so many shows and had so many guys being booked to the various places. Eddie Marlin and Tommy Gilbert, when they were on top in 73 as the baby face early version of the Rocker Roll Express, right? Southern Tag Team Champions, whatever, they would get up.

And they would go to Memphis television from wherever they'd been on Friday night. And then they would drive back from Memphis TV to Nashville. So that's 200 miles up the interstate where Nick would have a small plane waiting on his like his four top guys or whatever. And they would then take that plane and fly over the mountain to fucking Chattanooga because Chattanooga in Nashville is only 130 miles, but it was, I don't think they had the interstate finished at that point,

the fucking mountains in the way. But they would fly them to the Chattanooga live TV that was on the air at 5 o'clock in the studio of Channel 12, I think. And that would pump that night's matches at the Chattanooga Memorial Auditorium. So they'd go over to the auditorium and do the show in Chattanooga.

And if they were in the main event, they would put it on like second or third so they could get back in that fucking plane because the Huntsville TV or was it Huntsville or Birmingham. Which one was this? This was Birmingham. Was it 10.30 at night?

So they would hop over to Birmingham and make that live fucking TV at Birmingham and then fly back to goddamn Nashville. That's just Saturday. It's wild how much live wrestling there was in that territory. Obviously you can't

see it everywhere, but just how much that territory was producing is amazing. During, well, during the 1973, they had a live studio show in Memphis, obviously, Huntsville, I believe had one, we just know Birmingham did, Chattanooga, I think Nick was still doing a taping at the TV station in Nashville, and that's when they had Louisville TV for like nine months at that same period of time. So, there was like six or seven studio televisions they did every week. Jim, four cents a day is all it costs you to have an extension in your own home. For complete information called Charles Harrison has his phone number, phones in pastel colors, white and black to fit your need. So four cents a day, not to feed a starving child,

but to get an extension of your phone line in your house. By the way, last week, a silver dollar was collected by Joanne Kimbrough failing to locate their names were M.A. Handy, or Handley, Margaret Ann O'Neill

and Patsy Forrester. So they did not locate their names. They couldn't figure it out. Well, to be fair, it's a fucking four-page program. Jim, let's get another program here. This one, the opening event. Hey, what the hell, folks?

It's a holiday weekend. We're just having fun. The opening event, one fall, 20 minute time limit, Bobby Coleman versus Ray Gilbert. Board. Special event, one fall 30 minute time limit. Mad Monty Ladoo versus Gordon Hessel. The semi-final event, two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit.

Ray Perez. or Ray Perrette, I'm not exactly sure, P-I-R-E-T. I think it's Perret. I believe it's Perrette. Okay. Vers the mass stranger from nowhere. But weighing 214 pounds. Strangers in the night exchanging clothing.

And Jim, finally, the main event, two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit. Michelle Leone from Italy, or Baron Michelle Lone, does say Barron. Baron Michelle Leone versus Killer Chris Tolus from Canada. Well, I don't know about Mr. Coleman and Mr. Gilbert

in the opening match or Gordon Hessel Monty Ladeau was a name in the West Texas territory and actually was an opponent of Dory Funk, I can't say senior, because he and bill himself at that as Dory Funk

on his first week in the Texas territory. I have a program with Dory Funk and Monty Ladoo in the main event in New Mexico. Ray Perrette was a journeyman wrestler that was a star and a featured guy in various places at various points and the mass stranger who is from nowhere is a stranger to me.

And then you got Leonie and Tolo. Are you trying to do some kind of goddamn little swerve here, fella? Because the other show was Long Beach, California, with Leone and Varga in 1952, and that could be a similar location, and it's Leone and Chris Tolos. I think because John Tolos had the main event run with Blassie in the early 7, in California people think that Tolos was necessarily younger or fresher in the business. He and his brother Chris had been a top tag team all through the 1950s. And early end into the 60s.

And then he was older when he got that push. This could be another one of those Southern California towns in 1953. How's that? The date? February 24th, 1953, the El Paso Coliseum. Oh, you son of a bitch!

El Paso, Texas. You son of a bitch, it was Texas. I couldn't give you two from the same territory, same time period. That would have been... Well, I thought you were trying to swerve me. I thought you were trying to... It was like a trick question. The promoter?

It's Sam Meneker, but it says Frank, and then parentheses, Sam Menaker. That was actually, I think, his legitimate real legal government name, as a kid say, was Frank. But Sam Minnaker, that's where I met Sam Minnaker when I was a kid. And my mom took me to Indianapolis and he walked in the back of the building and I took his picture and got his autograph. But actually in the business, when I was in the business as a professional to be able to speak to him, that's where I met. he was in El Paso

in I think in 1985 because he no it wasn't even El Paso it was Fort Bliss we did a show at a military base out there in West Texas and he was living in El Paso and came to say

hello to the boys and everything but he promoted there and worked out of there on and off for years and years for whatever reason. Was that where he went to with Stu Hart's plane? Was it?

Yes. Yes, Calgary to El Paso, Texas. They said, well, you can come and pick it up if you want. Fans mourn Semis death. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, S-E-M-M-E-S. El Paso wrestling fans join with others and mourning the death of Spencer A. Semes, 61-year-old El Paso County purchasing agent,

who was found dead in his Lower Valley home last Saturday. Semis, who has handled the main ticket office for promoter Sam Meneker for over three years, was well known to wrestling fans. A cooperative worker, Semis was held in high esteem by all who knew him. Well, there we go. Next week... That's sad. Didn't even know he was sick. Girl wrestlers next week, Luthes, to defend title on March 10th, new wrestling giant signed the Mighty Goliath. billed as the world's greatest wrestling giant has been signed for an appearance at the coliseum in the immediate future promoter sam mennaker announced today goliath who attracted international attention with his role as the giant in the motion picture david n bethsheba stands seven feet and weighs a solid three hundred and twenty-five pounds although he was born in poland he is now a naturalized citizen of the u.s

he has pledged himself to meet all comers barring none he is currently featured in official wrestling magazine and other sports periodicals now who would this guy be I guess if he played the giant in that movie Google Google that because what name does he give

because is this that maybe an early appearance of that Max Palmer fellow that worked as Paul Bunyan and was supposedly eight feet tall, but he wasn't, he wasn't really. David Embeth Sheba came out in 1951, so two years before this program. And Goliath, if that's who we're looking at, was played by Walter Tallon. Oh, I know that name.

Yes. Walter, that's Ladislaw Tallon. He got in a business with Feffer. Oh, wow. There you go. So he didn't make it as Goliathla. Eliath, but he made it. Oh, look at that. Well,

there's that one. One last program. One last one will wrap up as an extended guest to program here today, Jim. It's the holidays. We all got the turkey hangover. I will be leaving out one match from this card that's too much of a giveaway. First bout, one fall 20 minutes, Sandar Kovacs versus Herb Gerwig. Second bout, one fall 20 minutes.

Louise Torres versus Len Hughes Cowboy Cowboy Lynn Hughes Third bout One fall 20 minutes Ramon Lopez versus Howard Martin

Midgets Two out of three falls 45 minutes Little Beaver and Red Taylor versus Pee Wee James and Billy the Kid I will leave

leave out the semifinal one fall 30-minute time limit match. The main event, two out of three falls to a finish. Billy Lyons and Bo Bo, Brazil versus Mike and Doc Gallagher. Oh, well, you've left off two of them. Let's see, going from what we got, Sandor Kovach. I left off one match, two wrestlers. Well, but then you said you were going to skip

another one. I said I'm skipping one match for this and then I went doing the placement of the matches on the car. Oh, I see, I see, I see. I got you. Sandor Kovacs, long time name, and later became a promoter. Herb Gerwig, better known to the world and especially

Dick Murdoch as killer Carl Cox. That was Cox's real name, Herb Gerwig. Cowboy Lynn Hughes is a recognizable name from this particular era. I don't know that Lopez and Martin ever found success. The Midget's Little Beaver was probably the, he was the star in that match,

and he was probably, because that's when they were booked out of Quebec and Little Beaver was French-Canadian. The mystery match, who knows, but Billy Red Lions and Bobo Brazil against the Gallagher brothers, makes me think Michigan or the surrounding environs, Ontario-ish, something like that, nobody on the undercard contradicts that.

The match that you didn't give me, being a dead giveaway, it would feature the Sheik or would it feature some other territory name that would be so you know specific but for a time period God this is hard also Sandor Kovacs is still in the ring Cox is not yet Cox

I think he was Cox by 1964 ish this is before that 19 161 somewhere in Ontario Jim, the match I didn't give you was the semifinal one fall 30-minute time limit.

Ilya de Pollo versus Bronco Lubbich. We're in Buffalo, Buffalo, New York. We're in Buffalo, baby. Friday, April 1st, April Fool's Day, 1960. So what I say, 61? 61. How far is Buffalo, New York from Ontario? It's right there.

There you go. So, but. it. All right. And there's a picture of... All righty then. Picture of Herb Gourwig here. It looks like holding a glass of milk with a sheepish smile on his face.

Never see killer Carl Cox look like this before. But there it is. Hey, hey, Murdoch told me one time, said fucking Cox, after he got out of the business, he worked as a jail guard somewhere, I think, down in Texas, right? In Dallas, I think. In Dallas. Well, there's this one fucking guy they had locked up. He was nuts.

and Cox would go in there and fuck with him and fuck with his mind and he'd sneak in late at night he said, you know, they're keeping track of you. They got you bugged, the transmitters, they're in your teeth. And they fucking came in one day and the guy had got some apparatus

to do it with overnight, pulled all his teeth out of his own head. Jesus. Yes. I guess this was during his heel. Yeah. He didn't, he didn't, Cox didn't know he was going to go that far, but you know, he was a stiff ribber though. He's in JFK, the Oliver Stone film.

I believe he plays the police officer in the Dallas police station carrying the gun when they- Yes, that's right. Yeah. Because he had that similar fucking giant head to the guy in the picture. Because when you see Carl Cox, he looks like what you would imagine a Dallas police officer in 1963 would look like. Yo, every bit of it. You know what that sound means, Brian?

No. Since I got these new noise filters and my fucking sound effects don't work, I've just making my own sound effects. I got something I want to do to you here. I got something in my hand. It is a program, and I want you to guess it. This is a surprise, reverse, upside down, bizarre, World Edition of Guest the program.

Are you up to the immediate challenge completely cold without having any knowledge of anything of forethought besides what you've just heard? I don't know. Usually I'm excited about this and I would say yes, but you just tried to nail me with the safety seal talk. So I feel like you're kind of going in a, let's screw it Brian this episode theme. Are you saying if there's some kind of rigging going on here

where I'm trying to make, make this, you look even worse than you normally do yourself? That's kind of what I think. Is what you're saying? Yeah. David, David, one of the cult Cornette members, and David, for what you sent me, I'm going to send you a free copy of heroes and friends,

my new book in return for this stuff. One of the things he sent was a program. I ain't going to tell you where he's from because of the concept of playing the guest to program. but I believe it is something that I think you can get it but it might challenge you a bit I'm ready to talk Minneapolis

1958 let's do it oh I don't go work again sunshine oh come on let's go to Chicago 1949 you're not you're way out even further you're colder we're in the BudoCon

it's 1978 one time you just guess blindly and you're wrong by what was it one month and the 60 miles or whatever and you try to do it again every time it's going to work again one day all right this program that david sent me the opening contest is bad boy hinds versus frank townsend that is uh they don't have the the fall and the time here, they have a place where you can indicate the winner, but they don't have the falls and the time limits on these matches.

But that's the opener. The second match, Nelson Royal versus Haru Sasaki. Nelson Royal and Haru Sasaki. I sound like Lance Russell now. That's the third match of the, boy, that's going to be a real stem winder. And, oh, I'm sorry, because the print is small and I got my glasses on.

I'm seeing all these matches I'm telling you were under a one fall 15-minute time limit. Okay. Heading. So we got that going for us. Third match is Rocky Ford versus Frank Valois. And it's a double main event, the first half of it. apparently from the state of Kentucky, Man Mountain Campbell

versus Don Leo Jonathan and the last main event, both these two out of three falls, by the way, to a finish, Jerry Kozak versus Danny McShane. That's the big lineup for the evening in question. All right. Well, I was going to a couple different places, and that main event narrowed it down maybe a little bit. You see Frank Valois, you look for Andre the Giant. This is pre-Andre the Giant, no Andre the Giants here.

Obviously, Danny McShane's on the show. It's pre-Andre the Giant. That would put Nelson Royal pretty early in his career. Bad Boy Heinz, Rocky Ford, Frank Townsend, Man Mountain Campbell versus Don Leo. So then you start saying if it's Don Leo, the likely suspects, the first ones are Pacific Northwest and Canada. And after that, it could be anywhere. He was an attraction and he worked different places. Jerry Kozak versus Danny McShane, to me, it could be in a lot of places, takes it to Texas, more than likely. This is not a Houston show.

This would be maybe a show booked out by the Houston office. a Beaumont, Texas, or I'm forgetting the names of some of the other towns, but there's other towns that were a little offshoots of Houston. So many towns running through my mind, Otis Sistram. But a little town, an offshoot of Houston as opposed to Dallas or anything else. I'm going to go with Jerry Kozak versus Danny McShane.

That's such an interesting main event there. I'm going to have to take a wild guess. Frank Valois. That was... 1964, a town outside of Houston. You had everything. You worked through the card perfectly.

You identified all of the reasons why you would have thought one thing, and then finally you got to the right state, and it wasn't Houston, you were narrowing it down, and then you went sideways with small town around Houston. and your dates a touch-off, but it's Monday evening, September 5th, 1960 at the Northside Coliseum in Fort Worth, Texas.

Oh, shit. I never thought this would have been, I never thought, I never would have gotten that this was Dallas or Fort Worth show. Well, because the promoter, in none of the promoters listed, promoter Kenneth Moore well I guess he's the only promoter listed but Dan Coates is your ring announcer

this is before Fritz bought into this office so there's a whole different So it was booked out by the Houston office Yes well it here's another thing on the cover of the program with double main event

slated tonight and then it talks about the matches you're going to have. But on the left-hand side, a picture of Paul Bosch. Bosch gets last laugh Tony rides donkey. Paul Bosch had the last laugh Monday night after beating tough Tony Bourne to take the main event. Paul got two straight falls over Bourne, the second and third falls in nine and three, fours and eight minutes respectively. Born took the first fall from Bosch in 10 minutes. Two weeks ago, Born had.

the first laugh when he beat Paul and forced Bosch to have a yellow streak painted down his back. But Paul had the last laugh when Tony was forced to ride the jackass around the ring last week. That was the famous, the program that Bosch had with Tony Bourne not only was huge in Houston, but they did it in like places like Fort Worth and the other major cities in, Texas that were being booked talent out of the Houston office at that point by the Seagulls. And again, it,

you know, it did sell out business in Houston when what, they did something else. No, I think Tony rode the donkey in maybe in Fort Worth, but he had to wash the donkey in Houston. Was it not? They had a big tub and he actually had to walk,

he had to wash Paul Bosch's ass and And they did a few things a few different times, and it wasn't just Paul Bosch and him. It was also like Danny McShane and Bull Curry. Because wasn't there one where... Yes. Was it Danny McShane and Bull Curry had to ride the donkey down the street? Like, it had to be out in the public. But see, that's...

The donkey riding. And Paul Bosch, even at this point, had already retired. He had had a car wreck in the, what, 40s, wasn't it? And become an announcer and worked in the office. was the television host, but not the promoter yet, but they had two guys that could talk and get under each other's skin, and Paul was a natural baby face because he was the voice that people saw on television,

and they drew huge money with these personal issues, draw money, right? And this was a classic example because at Texas, rassling is kind of where that thing started back as we've found from Scott Teal's research and going to look back at what Roy Welch learned in the 20s.

They were doing outrageous shit to humiliate the heel or to get one up on the baby face where he had to get revenge. That was, you know,

they were drawing big crowds than the goddamn world champion when he'd come to the market. Anyway, oh, and also, I got to... Who were the referees? Did a list of referees? Marvin Jones. Marvin Jones. Poor Marvin had to go solo.

But Man Mountain Campbell... Yeah, who's that? There is a picture of him, and I swear to God, it looks like... And by the way, since I know you have some programs from this time period... you might look back, but fall of 1960. But it looks like a young, short-haired, short-beard, short-beard, not fucking freaked out Big Bad John. And Campbell was not, what was Big Bad John's last name?

Good God, I've gone blank. It wasn't Campbell. But I, you know, because nobody, has anybody done a Big Bad John biography? Watson. been a hard thing to do. I think a few years ago on the wrestling classics message board, his daughter appeared to say a lot of the rumors weren't true and here's what

happened. According to Wikipedia, good old Wikipedia, Man Mountain Campbell was actually Luke Brown. Luke Brown! Okay, I can see that now too. This is a like a head and chest shot, so

you can't really get an idea that he's fucking seven, tall or whatever the fuck. And... Actually, it says here, wrestler Frankie Townsend gave him the name Man Mountain Campbell, and he's on the show too, Frank Townsend. So there you go.

And he would later be one of the Kentuckians. So he switched the name and kept the Kentucky gimmick. But I want you to know also that at Carter's cafeteria Brian first in Main Street's you can get a

T-Bone steak cooked to order for 65 cents. and hot biscuits are free after 4.30. You can park for an hour free at store side also, just in case you were wondering. That sounds good. I'm hungry. You hear about that, and you're like, man, that's a good deal. I'll eat it all.

Oh, this is fucking with these old programs, you're like, Jesus Christ. You know that even if the guys only make it, you know, I only made $50 that night, right? It was a fucking steak dinner with 16 cents. It's like, Jesus, H. Christ, what's going on? That's the thing, too. It's like with inflation, it's like, yeah, I mean, it's about the value, but it's also when you look back and you see the bang for the buck you got.

I used to hear these old-timers fucking talk legit about like, how we go to Times Square and for a quarter. I got two movies, a show, a short, a cartoon, a live band, and they're serious, and a Coke. And now, I mean, put that with inflation, it wouldn't be, 25 cents back then. It would be a lot more, so it's crazy. Do you, you know the name Wally Dusick, right? Of course.

And he was, there was Ernie, there was Emo, there was Joe, and there was Rudy. That was the Riot Squad. But old Wally Dusick was, by the time I tell the story, you may be able to Google that. It's my story, but he was some legitimate relation to the goddamn the dirty Duceks, the pioneer Dusick wrestling family, then the 20s and 30s that popularized tag team wrestling, it caused riots because they were such heels and, you know,

went to such lengths and took liberties with people. Wally Dusick was the stage name of professional wrestler Charlie Santon. Okay, then he wasn't a member of the test. But he worked with him, didn't he? And he did work with them. He was billed as one of their brothers, but they were actually unrelated. He was trained by John Peacick. And he is the father of Captain Frank Ducig.

Well, yes, who later on worked for Crockett and in the Dallas office and was one of the handlers of Kamala at one point. Didn't they do that in Dallas or something? Nevertheless, Wally Dusick was trained by John Pasek, who was the Nebraska Tiger Man who was a professional wrestler in what 190 something and world champion and best in the world in the teens. Am I getting dates approximately correct? Wally Ducek used to come to matches in Charlotte.

When I was there working for Crockett, he would sit, you know, and I think he was still, he might have been getting a payoff when we first got there just to come and watch the monitor is Wally Ducick. right, but he, and he, point is, here's a guy who was trained, and I'm sitting there in 1986, talking to him, and he was trained by the guy that was a world champion in the 19 teens.

I don't know, he was 80-something years old, whatever. And you mentioned more bang for your buck, and that, I was going to make a joke, and it made me think of Wally Dusick, because he told me in the Midnutt Express one time, this long, rambling story, I shouldn't say rambling. It wasn't like he was rambling.

It was a long, detailed story of how when he first broke into business, this was 1920 something, that he went on a wrestling tour of Alaska and the Yukon. Remember like Frank Gotch did at one point. Nobody knew he was and he went up there and won people's money. It made him think he was a nobody. He just beat everybody and left. and they got took.

And he could actually get banged for a buck. He told us this story if he had this match in this fucking gold mining camp in the Yukon. And then I'm thinking in my mind, I'm picturing goddamn Amanda Blake on Gunsmoke. He gets one of the girls from the saloon and takes her out back. And she agrees to fuck him for a dollar.

A silver dollar. it was still legitimate currency that was circulating. He pays her a silver dollar. And then she sticks it in her drawers. And as they're doing this, he's reaching around because he thinks he feels that silver dollar. And so when they get finished with their business, he somehow manages to pull that silver dollar back

and stick it in his pocket. And then they walk on their various way down the street, and he reaches in to get that dollar and finds that he pulled out a scab. Oh, what? So see, the moral of that story is, don't take it if you can get a bang for a buck. All right, that took a turn. That was guest to program, ladies and gentlemen. It certainly was.

Guest a scab, I guess, maybe. Do some guest to program, get you in a good mood. Uh-oh, well now, all right, I've got to keep up. I was doing pretty good last time we did this, so I'm going to see if I can keep up my string here. Of course, guess the program is where I go through programs in my collection, usually once I have not yet filed away, and I quiz Jim on the details of the card, and he will guess the date, the locale, and everything else. We're having a great show here today, folks.

Can't you just feel it? Can't you just feel the energy? Hold on. I can feel it. Goodbye. Let's start with this one, Jim. The opening contest listed, and their matches are, of course, subject to change. Yes.

Tully Blanchard versus sweet brown sugar. Oh, boy. Adrian Street versus Tommy Rogers. Dick Slater versus Ron Garvin The Spoiler versus King Konga Jake Roberts

versus King Kong Bundy Bundy For a championship I will not name Ted DiBiase versus Brad Armstrong Two more matches The Road Warriors Jesus Christ

versus the all-star team of Jimmy Valiant and Tim Horner and finally for a championship I will not name Rick Flair versus Stan Hanson Christ on a cracker all right it's

well before I'm going to tell you where I think it is Tully Blanchard's sweet brown sugar I'm thinking okay we're going to San Antonio sweet brown Sugar, that version would have been Skip Young. And I'm thinking somewhere around 1983-ish. And then Adrian Street and Tommy Rogers. You know, Tommy Rogers actually worked San Antonio also briefly before he became one of the

fantastics. But Adrian, he may have popped in there. but Slater would have been a guy that would have been around Southwest at that point, but Ron Garvin was in Georgia. And then the spoiler and King Konga, who was the barbarian that we all came to know and love, would have been in Georgia about the same time as well, and Jake Roberts, King Kong Bundy. Bundy was at this point he had been in Dallas but had not started with Vince yet.

DiBiase and Brad Armstrong takes us back to Georgia, as do the road warriors, but then Jimmy Valiant and Rick Flair, and for that matter, Tim Horner for what he was worth, which wasn't much, were Crockett guys and Stan Hanson for fuck's sake. was Stan Hanson. So this has got to be one of the early pro wrestling USA invasions of the Northeast and Vince's territory with a cooperation from Southwest Wrestling who probably still or shortly before that had the USA network television show before Vince got it, and also the Georgia territory and also at least some element of Crocket cooperation.

And Hanson would have been, would he have been working for Vern at this point in time? Because this is early on, I don't know whether it's Baltimore or the Meadowlands, but it was in 1984. So it's one of those places. So help me out here because 84 will determine what, fuck was going on. The date, Sunday, June 3rd, 1984, the Omni, Atlanta, Georgia. Oh, fuck. That was too easy.

I should have realized. I didn't think it was the Omni. Son of a bitch. All righty. On the front cover, it says, spectacular tour underway now, and there's very crudely cut out pictures of people's heads, and you have Stan Hanson, Pez Watley, the Road Warriors, Tommy Rogers, Jerry Lawler, Ted DiBiase, Ron Garvin, Les Thornton even made this, and others. Look for us, World Championship Wrestling, there is a difference.

Cleveland, Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio, Baltimore, Maryland, Saginaw, Michigan, Wheeling, West Virginia, Columbus, Ohio, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Huntington, West Virginia, and the Meadowlands. So this was June 1984. This was one month before Black Saturday when Vince showed up and took the TV away. That's right, but they already knew it was coming. It wasn't like he got to TV the same day he got control or that he tried to get control. You know, there was a road to get there. There was a period of time where obviously Ole Anderson knew,

I may not be able to fight this, but I am fighting it. All right. Well, good job, man. All right. I was fooled by the obviousness of this. Jim, this next card. Jungle Jim Star versus Bruce Kirk.

Bobby Nichols versus Eric Frolic. And the final special feature, Lonnie Main versus Woody Farmer. Good Lord. We have the challenge of the Giants. I will name this championship for the Dreadnought title. Don Leo Jonathan 320 pounds versus the Crusher

315 pounds. For another championship, I will not name Ripper Roy Collins. the champion versus Lord Blears, the Challenger. For the World Tag Team Championship, I'll name it, Paterson and Ray Stevens, the Champions, versus Paul Jones and Pepper Martin. And finally, the main event,

for a championship I will not name, the champion, handsome Johnny Berend, versus the challenger, tough Tony Bourne. Okay. Well, here's what we're, what we are dealing with here is an amalgam of people from a number of places. Jungle Jim Star at one point was one of the interns with Dr. Ken Ramey. Eric Frolic was a West Coast baby face of some description back in the early 70s, which this, it may be early 70s, it may be late 60s. Moondog, Maine as Lonnie Maine, and Woody Farmer. Woody Farmer was again a California fixture.

Don Leo Jonathan from the Pacific Northwest and on the tail end of his career, the Crusher, who is 315 pounds. Any picture or anything? Was it Stan Crusher, Kowalski? Was it just some fat guy we found at Shell? There is nothing here to indicate who it is, but I would expect it's not Crusher Lysowski. Well, obviously, yeah, he didn't weigh 315. Ripper Collins and Lord James Bleers, Hawaii legends in their own ways,

and Paterson and Ray Stevens, the World Tag Team champions for Roy Shire at that point, against Pepper Martin, another guy who worked the West Coast and appeared in a lot of TV shows. I had forgot Paul Jones had a run out there. And then Johnny Barron, on top, means this is Hawaii, against Tough Tony Bourne, who was a legend from the Pacific Northwest. So this is, and Bleers being on the card, this is a, this is a, Hawaii show at what was the building that they were using in the late 60s, early 70s, the HIC Pavilion

with cooperation from the Portland and San Francisco territories and I'm going to say Ray Stevens left San Francisco in 1970 I believe so I'm going to say it was 1969. The date Monday, March

6, 1967, the Portland Memorial Coliseum. What? Portland, Oregon. Holy shit. The parade of champions. Major, major show for Portland, so they didn't even run the bowling alley. They went to the big building.

That's right. The parade of champions and the big building, the Memorial Coliseum. okay well and it makes sense that tony bourne was in a main event rather than making sense if it had been hawaii they brought born into work with baron but since it was portland they brought baron into work with born and was that the thing they put bleers on the card as a as a kindness you know you're going to get a payoff to come up with

collins and a couple of these people and We're going to talk some business because Bleers wasn't at that point still working out dates, was he? Maybe occasionally, but I think of James Blears as being retired by that point. Yeah. So that's what threw me. All right. I'm sucking today. Let me give you a layup.

Let me give you an easy one next. Well, now if you tell people you're giving me an easy one, then that just shits all over what I'm doing, doesn't it? There are more matches apparently than what is listed here. Uh-oh. Candy Devine, Nashville, Tennessee, versus Cowgirl Susan Starr, Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Warlock, from parts unknown, versus Mr. Jeep Swenson from parts unknown.

Nord the Barbarian from parts unknown. versus Perry Jackson, Texarkana, Arkansas. Mill Mosqueras, Mexico City, versus Sal Oliverus, Mexico. And finally, the main event... And apparently he went back there right after this match was never heard from again. And the main event for a tag title I will not name. The Fantastics, Tommy Rogers and Bobby Fulton from the City of Angels, versus the rock and roll RPMs.

Mike Davis and Tommy Lane at Atlanta, Georgia. All righty, well, this is, we're in Texas. Jeep Swenson spent some time in Texas, so did Nord the Barbarian. Perry Jackson was from Texarkana,

Mosquerous against some nobody that they brought in just to get him on the card, give him somebody to work with, and the poor fantastics and Mike Davis and Tommy Lane, the RPMs, the rock and roll RPMs were a, obviously a rock and roll express homage. But poor Mike Davis looked at least like a goddamn Sean Cassidy or he looked more like Jack Cassidy that after the fire

than he did get any teeny bopper idol poor Mike and Candy Devine was booked there because I guess they weren't talking to Mula she was only working for Vince at this point this was what would it have been

God 80 the real poor business days of Dallas in the late 80s? Are we talking 19... Well, the Fantasticics came into work with us in 88, so we're talking, is this where they came from, or was this early

90s? Potentially. 1991 in Dallas, Texas. You were so close. Monday, May 4th, 1987. Son of a bitch. Will Rogers Coliseum, Fort Worth, Texas. This card is the day after the David Von Erick fourth annual Parade of Champions at Texas Stadium, May 3rd 87.

So they just put the card in the program for the Parade of Champions. You know, I remember the first Parade of Champions pretty well, and I remember the second Parade of Champions pretty well, too. After that, there are matches I remember, and there's a lot I don't remember. Here's one I don't remember. Battle of the Beautiful Bodies! $10,000 to the winner of a six-girl mud match. I remember that, actually. Six of the most beautiful women in pro wrestling

will converge on Texas Stadium this afternoon in search of a $10,000 prize. These lovely ladies will be wrestling battle royal style in the mud. Manager extraordinaire Percy Pringle III petition the WCWA Count asking that he be named the special referee for the unusual event. And that was so that they could get Percy in the mud and dunk even the mud.

WCWA's own gorgeous ringettes will participate in this battle. Miss Sherry Jenkins and Miss Candy Casey, both of Dallas, want to keep the $10,000 in the Metroplex. Miss Sherry is a former Dallas Cowboy cheerleader. Candy and Sherry will be joined in the mud by former Miss Tennessee Candy Devine Candy and Sherry will be joined by

candy and cigarettes Which is not even the only candy By former Miss Tennessee Candy Divine Have she ever missed Tennessee? No She missed Tennessee when she was in Texas probably Oklahoma Cowgirls Susan Star

Las Vegas is Sally Rand And San Francisco And San Francisco... What if Sally Rand in 1980-some, Sally Rand would have been 60 years old. And San Francisco's Tiffany Crystal. Oh, sure she was. The rules are... The rules of the event are plain and simple.

Elimination can only take place by a pinfall or a submission. I thought it was Battle Royal style. The pinfall or... They don't know how to take a bump over the top rope. The pinfall or submission must take place in the mud. Special referee Pringle told the group of reporters that the match will be called fair and square quote, I proved my manhood in the ring as a wrestler.

Everyone knows what an excellent manager I am. Now I'm going to show the world just what a great referee I can be. Well, there it is the six-person one match. Let me just say, by the way, to put on this card that you just gave me in Fort Worth right after the Texas Stadium show, and this card be so shitty. I bet you they didn't have 200 people in the Will Rogers.

But that was the, when they had gotten to that point, the stadium show, they probably, one of the boys knew some girls who worked at the fucking strip club or whatever. And then they had candy divine and the other girl booked it maybe they can get something out of the other, who knows who those girls were.

but they were trying anything because they just lost it and they knew they what did what did that 87 von eric memorial do was that the one they had like 5,000 people in texas stadium they may have had that many maybe but they still had another one in 88 which was even worse so a point is it was by that point they were just throwing things against the wall you know by this point too it had become the david and mike von eric Yeah. So, well, there it is that program. Jim, here's another one.

Opening contest, Mike George versus Taurus. Tim Woods is written in for the person who's supposed to be on the show. Tim Woods versus Zodiac. Ron Fuller versus baldness. No, I'm kidding. Ron Fuller versus Nick Bockwinkle. Ooh. Jack Briscoe versus Ray Stevens

Mike Webster and Redbeard versus Eddie and Mike Graham and the main event for the World Championship Dory Funk Jr. versus Buddy Colt. Okay, here's the layup, I think, because one thing concerns me,

but I won't say what it is. One would have thought that if we got Tim Woods, Ron Fuller, Jack Briscoe, and the Grams and Dory Funk Jr. and Buddy Colt that this would be in Florida. However,

Ron Fuller, versus Nick Bockwinkle. Nick Bockwinkle wasn't working Florida right before he went to work for Vrnganya in the AWA and what was, I think it was either late 1970 or early 1971. He was in Georgia as a baby face. But that would mean that Ron Fuller as a rookie

baby face would be working with Bokwinkley. as a baby face, but they may have wanted Bach Winkle to put Ron Fuller over if he was on the way out because Ron Fuller was a member of the Welsh family, part owner of the office. I'm wondering, and Elsa, but with Red Beard was a Florida guy. I'm trying to bounce back and forth and determine whether this is the city auditorium in Atlanta or whether it is a show in Tampa or Miami, Florida from 1970. And my George, Goddap, Red Beard. We're in Miami in 1970, God damn it.

Jim, the date Tuesday, August 8th, 1972. Oh. Tampa, Florida. All right. In that case, Bach Winkle was on loan from Vern because they ran a part-time schedule, and so was Stevens. That makes sense. But God damn it, I've busted another one. We have a paid advertisement here. Help wanted. The position of valet to Bobby Shane, the King of Wrestling, is now open. This is a tremendous opportunity for the right young lady. Needless to say, intelligence is not a primary importance. Mr. Shane is interested in a young lady with the proper attitude and appearance.

If interested, send a recent photo, along with age and other pertinent information, to Bobby Shane, 106 North Albany, Tampa, Florida, 33606. Women's lib types need not apply. All right, one of those great ads from the Florida programs there. And he was already, it wouldn't be three years until the plane crash, but he was not only well thought of inside the business as one of the best workers. He was the boy wonder as a teenager. He was being thought of and probably had served a couple times as a booker.

And Bill Dundee told me that when he, and George Barnes were in Australia. Bobby Shane told them you want to go to America, you want to go to Tennessee to work for Jerry Jarrett. Not Nick Goulis, Jerry Jarrett. He can get you over. And Shane's the one that gave Lawler the fucking crown

in Georgia when Jarrett sent talent down to help the Georgia side during the wrestling war and gave the King gimmick. And Lawler stole a bunch of I say stole, researched a bunch of Shane's unique wrestling style. Now when, since nobody has really ever seen Shane,

the stuff that Lawler was doing was unique to him because nobody had ever seen the Bobby Shane stuff. But I mean, he was, he was already getting guys' positions and being discussed as a, not only a future booker, but a future potential champion and working in main events in all the NWA territories. So that's sad.

One of the biggest booking what ifs, if he had lived, what booking jobs would he have gotten? Probably, I would think, because of the amount of places that he'd already been, the amount of territories he'd already worked and worked on top, he had good relationships with a lot of the promoters,

especially Barnett. That's why he was in Australia. Because, you know, he was working for Barnett. And I think he would have probably had a bunch of them. Because he was so young, he was still in his 20s at this point. All right, Jim, one final program here this week. The opening contest, one fall 20-minute time limit, Pierre La Chappelle.

Oh, good Lord. Versus Jean Anderson. A feature event, one fall 30-minute time limit. Zaya Nandor from Budapest versus George Kosti from Moose Jaw The semi wind-up That's two out of three falls, 45-minute time limit George Scott

and Nick Pockwinkle versus Clyde Steeves and Dave Rule RUHL Okay, okay Okay And finally the main event the handicap match, best two out of three falls, one hour time limit.

Ramon Torres and Alberto Torres versus Killer Kowalski. Okay. Years going to take me a second. As soon as you said Gene Anderson, I thought, why, we were in the Carolinas in the old days, Gene in the opening match, but that is not to be.

George Scott and Nick Byron Falkwinkle teaming up, this was the time period where George was teaming up with Sandy, but I assume maybe Sandy might have been injured or whatever. And Clyde Steves, was he not, God damn, he wore, he was a masked guy, had some other gimmick. God damn, was it Superman or masked something or other of that nature? Raymond and Alberto Torres were a long time baby faces

in the business and were over in a variety of places from California to Georgia and Alberto was the the one in the match with Ox in Iowa or wherever the

fuck it was the ox's second confirmed kill and obviously Killer Kowalski could have been anywhere, but what Dave Rule was for years, a popular featured guy in the Stampede territory in Calgary. And I know that the Scott brothers worked Calgary. I know that this is far enough back that Gene Anderson could have been a

rookie from Minnesota by this point. This is the early to mid-60s. And I just, I can't, I don't remember Dave Ruhl being featured anywhere else, although this could be Portland, and once again, I'm crazy, but I'm going to go Calgary in 1963. The date Thursday, December 14th, 1961, Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. Okay. Well, it could have been Calgary. It could have been vagina.

Whichever one it was is up there in Canada. I think it's Saskatchewan. Is it Saskatchewan or is it Alberta? Just as vagina. No. It's Saskatchewan. No, that's Saskatchewan. Because that was stampede wrestling covered.

That's why the trips were so brutal and miserable. Because part of Saskatchewan butts up against Alberta. And they used to have to go across these frozen tundras from province to province. Well, there it is. Guest the program Omnibus Volume 4. We hope you've enjoyed that. Volume 5 is in the works. It probably will be out for the holidays this year if I had to make a guess, but until then, you can hear future installments on the drive-through and the experience each and every week, and we will be back very soon on those shows with more wrestling action. For Jim Cornett, I'm the great Brian last.

Tally-ho!