Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 366

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite! Plus Jim talks about Vince McMahon starting a new company, Rhea Ripley's injury, Samantha Irvin, Red Skelton, Dominik Mysterio as world champ, wh...y Bryan Danielson wrestles, ratings, and much more! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello again, friends! And you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornedge Drive-Thru on another fine day. There's a warm breeze in the air, leaves being blown all over the place, and we are here to blow your minds with scintillating wrestling talk
Starting point is 00:00:19 and the ability to not give a shit and get through hours and hours of talk. I'm your host, the great Brian last, and here he is, the king of not giving a shit, Mr. Jim Cornett. Well, you had to just open that with giving our critics the line about the hot air blowing in the wind. As soon as we start to program, you had to start that way. But I'm proud to announce, Brian, that if the folks heard the last program, what was the last program was the experience?
Starting point is 00:00:50 That's my show. They know that I was listening to you in one ear. What you said went in one ear and out the other. my headphones, suddenly one side of them died and it was the side that broadcasted to my, the only one working was broadcasting to my bad ear, so I had to turn them around. And it was inconvenient. I could barely hear you. I only really like it.
Starting point is 00:01:17 I like it either if I can hear you full up or not hear you at all. That last one may be a little bit more preferable, one or the other, but not in the middle, where I can barely hear you. Can you hear this? Good, use your imagination. Yeah, I thought you were going to play me something on your Xyla Maker. I was playing you something. One finger up in the air.
Starting point is 00:01:40 Yeah. Well, you know what they say? When you point one finger up in the air, you got three more pointing back down at the top of your head. Or something like that that Lanny Pafo, you say. But anyway, but now I can hear you in both sides because you sent me a brand new set of headphones, and now I can hear from both of them.
Starting point is 00:02:02 And the only problem now is this morning I blew my nose because it finally rained yesterday, by the way. It was on record or on pace to be the driest month in the history of Louisville, Kentucky. All October, we got five one-hundredths of an inch of rain. And then at 2 o'clock on the 31st, it fucking poured rain. But when I tried to blow my nose, because of all the dry, leafy, dusty, pollany type of thing
Starting point is 00:02:33 was being stirred up. Now I plugged my right ear up. So I'm still screaming at you, aren't I? Because it can't fucking hear. Some things never change. Well, but I don't mean to do it with anger. With anger. People don't even know what you're like off the air.
Starting point is 00:02:53 Brian, where's my fucking pen? Ah! Just non-stop. No, I don't use that. My pad! Fuck you! I went, what did I do? It's only when the computer decides to act up that I...
Starting point is 00:03:09 Because I'm telling you, boy, the day I retire, this thing's going off the deck. We filmed that for the channel? There will be no channel when I retire. I'll take it all with me. You're saying there's going to be a big finale, now no one's going to see it? There's going to be a big finale, baby, and I'm going to have it. And I'm going to red skeleton this, the whole thing. Oh.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Not only am I going to retire and you never see me again, but I'm getting all my video and my audio and I'm putting into a fucking vault somewhere and nobody can ever have. Do you, you know he did that, right? No, I don't know about this. Red skeleton for you, when he was still alive, for years and years, had his old TV shows and all of his stuff that he owned because he became one of the richest producers in television,
Starting point is 00:04:02 locked up and wouldn't release it. And at one point, he had said he wanted to set fire to all of it and just be done with it, but apparently he didn't. And then after he died, that's why you see some of this stuff now, because sainer heads may have...
Starting point is 00:04:18 Google Red Skelton, while I'm telling you what else is going on over here. And see if... Did he break before he died, or was it after he died. Because there's stuff out there now. Or you may have just gone to sleep, but nevertheless. Well, it takes a second to look him up and then find the specific section about his video
Starting point is 00:04:38 collection. I thought you would have right there red skeleton on speed dial on your MENT mobile plan or whatever. But anyway, the point is, what was the point? Oh, the point was I can hear you now except for my bad ear. and then you got me started thinking about my happy retirement one of these days when I throw this fucking computer off the deck and before that I was going to talk about
Starting point is 00:05:03 did I recently give you did we talk about on the show the revelation huh no what no quit stop I'm talking did I did I give to you the revelation that I got from my tree guy about when to plant trees You gave me the revelation. Yes. Yes, Father.
Starting point is 00:05:24 Because I'm a revolutionary and a visionary and an arborist. Did I tell you about what the fucking tree guy told me? I don't know. Well, remember back in June, I said I planted 15 trees in the front yard, right? And then it didn't rain for three weeks and I had to get out there and that fucking heat, that humidity and that misery. and water them with a hose every goddamn day. And I've always heard, and they always say on the news here in Louisville, don't plant before derby.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Because we always, not always, but often get a hard freeze or at least the frost of a couple of days a row or whatever, before derby that will kill your plants. So don't plant before derby. So last, that's this year, I got behind because I was busy. And I didn't call a guy quick enough. And he didn't get, Derby was the first week of May. But he didn't get out here until June because by the time I called him,
Starting point is 00:06:32 but by the time that he got the, the trees and everything. And by the way, did you find Red Skelton yet? Now, he's dead. He's still dead. I didn't know you were looking for him that badly. No, I mean, did you? You're really losing it, aren't you? Did you look up the whole goddamn story that I was telling you to confirm that what I was saying to you was the truth? Because you were staring at me, I could tell you were staring at me like I had turds hanging out of my mouth.
Starting point is 00:06:55 What I was telling you that? Well, it was more the scent that was driving me to look that way. But anyway, what I found here on the internet was a couple things. The Red Skelton Vault is a collection of episodes from the television show, The Red Skelton Show, that were never broadcast on DVD until recently. The Vault includes episodes from the early years of the show from 1951 to 1955. The collection features many classic characters from the show
Starting point is 00:07:26 such as Clem Caddyhopper. Clem Caddittle... Clem Caddy Hopper. I'm trying to read this quickly. You don't really see this. It's Clem Cadill Hopper. Everybody knows that up. Yeah, of course.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Caulfo. pug. Yeah, the boxer. Willie Lump Lump. And Freddy the Freeloader, I've heard of him. I've met him a few times. I thought, well, I thought his name was David, but nevertheless. The show also includes appearances from many Hollywood legends,
Starting point is 00:07:58 including Jackie Gleason, Johnny Carson, Diane Carroll, and John Wayne. Listen to that wind, a mighty wind outside right now, folks. Red Skelton refused to have his shows put into syndication. Uh-huh. So most of the ever... episodes in the vault were only broadcast on their original air date. The collection was selected exclusively by timeless media group and is available from Shout Factory. And I have here, uh, Shot Factory's website, only six left in stock.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Oh, well, I'm not asking for a goddamn commercial plug for it. I'm just saying you, you were doubting me. On the, uh, Instagram page for the Red Skelton Museum, they have, it says sorting the vault. collection and it's just a pile of, you would recognize what these look like right away. It's a pile of two inch reels like in boxes. Oh, yeah. And then also some one inch stuff, but it looks like a lot of two inch full length stuff. Well, there you go.
Starting point is 00:08:57 So anyway, but that's red's situation, but back to planting before Derby. So. From red to dead. This past year, as I said, or this past spring and summer, I planted the trees in June. So then I had the, the, the, the tree. guy that I have plant my trees over here a few weeks ago because I wanted to not only have him do some mulch beds for me but also I said I want to get a plan together for the spring so we can get quicker this time so I'm not out there with that fucking hose and the heat and blah blah blah
Starting point is 00:09:33 we'll have everything all ready to go he said well why don't we do it now I said well now it's it's wintertime I said but besides that I wouldn't be able to water them because I I haven't got time. I've got the big action figure sale going on, and Brian Las takes up all of my time. And he said, no. He said, if you plan them this time of year, then just water them once real good when you put them in
Starting point is 00:09:58 and then you don't have to water them. I said, well, wait a minute. Nobody told me that. You mean I could have fucking, and I wouldn't have had to been out there. He said, yeah. I said, well, God, I said, well, wait a minute. I said they say on the news, don't plant before Derby because it might freeze.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Well, he's going to freeze here shortly sooner or later. And he said, well, no, that's not for trees. That's just for plants and flowers. He said, this is my favorite time of year to plant trees because the ground isn't that hard and the homeowner doesn't need to water them. and we can get them right in and then boom and there you go
Starting point is 00:10:44 and in the springtime you got to birds and the bees and the flowers and the trees and I said well son of a bitch did you know that Brian no I'm not really an arborist
Starting point is 00:10:55 so I didn't know this you're another word I can think of that begins with an A but so I got him come over here I was more thinking of another
Starting point is 00:11:07 a nom de plume for sphincter but I got him come over here and plant me 15 trees in the backyard now. And I don't have to water a goddamn one of them. So what do you think about them? I can't wait for the rent when this doesn't work out. And no, no, it's been a bunch of dead trees, motherfucker. It's you, Brian.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Fuck you. I'm just telling you. It's just they look lovely out here. And got a couple of weeping willows and a couple of redwood trees. and about a half a dozen oak trees, and they're just lovely. So it's your program. It is. You know, I would almost forget that because you're doing so well leading the show here today.
Starting point is 00:12:00 I would hate to stop you, in fact, if you're feeling the groove. Well, you know, normally, basically I just lead this thing down to whatever path it goes anyway, don't I? I was trying to be polite and let you take over the hostifying. All right. Well, let's hostify a little bit. There are some topics, and as always, we have questions. and things we want to get to. But with time being tight,
Starting point is 00:12:23 let's start with AEW Dynamite, because then we know how much time we have left. And there were, this is another one of those episodes of Dynamite where as I'm watching it, I laugh, I, you know, cover my eyes at times, but I laugh a lot.
Starting point is 00:12:39 And I just wonder, what is Jim going to say about this? Because so much of it's undefendable. I, to quote Thunder, Bolt Patterson, if I only had time. I mean, I don't, you know, people say, well, you kind of gloss over the WWE a lot of times, but you go into detail on AEW.
Starting point is 00:13:02 That's because, for one thing, you have to explain the inexplicable in the way that they try to explain it, and that takes a little time. And secondly, you have to identify what's wrong with it. and that takes a lot more time. And then also in some cases, I just don't know what to fucking say. Should we start at the beginning? Much like they're commentators.
Starting point is 00:13:33 You have no idea what to say. Oh my God. And again, sock face continues to. I think he tried, did he try to call private party, private potty at one point? There were several points again where he lost control of his mouth
Starting point is 00:13:47 and he couldn't speak coherently. you know what mama cornet would say i have no idea his tongue got lopped over his eye teeth and he couldn't see what he was saying there's an expression you don't hear too often nowadays you don't hear it as much as you used to but anyway so they started out with the spooky cold open of the the moxley bunch uh we got to come up with a name for that group because they're not the blackpool gangbangers anymore or whatever the fun are they? Apparently he has filed for a trademark because Tony, you know, being a nice guy and doing something that
Starting point is 00:14:25 WW would never do is letting the wrestlers trademark their own things and then bring them in. Moxley has trademarked death riders. Oh, well, that's it. To which I responded, the full name is ratings death riders. What? That makes sense. Maybe he's a big ghost rider fan. Or, you know, riders on the store. or Ghost Riders in the Sky, Death Rider, it sounds so cool.
Starting point is 00:14:54 Is Death Jitsu the official fighting form of Death Riders? Yes, and they will sponsor the pickup truck. You're going to see Death Jitsu wrapped around the side of the pickup truck. Oh, well... Do your brakes and shocks have death? I'll tell you where to send it. When's he going to start doing commercials? It, uh, well, commercials for death.
Starting point is 00:15:18 I mean, what is he going to Hey, he has a hard enough time selling wrestling tickets He might as well sell people on popularity of death Folks, death is for you That's why we ride all over the country Telling you about it But they had the cold open with last week or whatever And then they went to the arena
Starting point is 00:15:42 And they're in Cleveland, Ohio And my God, the poor people of Cleveland Have put up with enough abuse already but here came to the ring with no music, not even his music, not even anything to make this motherfucker exciting.
Starting point is 00:15:58 Well, he cut off the Claudio video when Claudio was ranting, you know, apparently the most fearless guy there is the fucking cameraman. He's following these guys everywhere with no problem. But there was a video,
Starting point is 00:16:09 Claudia was yelling at the camera and all of a sudden you hear, cut that off, it's enough! And you're like, who the hell is that? We never hear that voice. Well, yeah, and there's a reason why we're about to find out. But yeah, here comes the company mascot, little puppy pockets, Orange Cassidy,
Starting point is 00:16:26 to the ring with no music, no charisma, no talent. He's had all he can stands and he can't stands no more. And he gets in the ring and starts cutting a live promo. And he said he doesn't do this normally, talking about speaking. I wish he wouldn't do it at all. He had a good streak going there. but after last week when he watched his best friend's neck that's muffin top tailor for those of you who mercifully missed that
Starting point is 00:16:58 my best friend's neck got crushed by a steel chair and I was surrounded by the future of AEW all the young wrestling stars and they have no idea of the danger that they're in so now this fucking moron that nobody can take seriously to begin with and looks like he couldn't whip cream with an outboard motor is standing there saying that I'm the only one that realizes how dangerous
Starting point is 00:17:33 he's got to come out and put Moxley over as being a badass I'm the only one of one to realize is how dangerous Moxley is to the ratings but they these other guys they got no idea of the danger they're in. So I know what I need to do. If we don't stop Moxley, there will be no future of AEW. And then he actually said, without AEW, I don't exist.
Starting point is 00:18:03 I owe everything to say, yes, because nobody else would have ever put you on fucking television. You goddamn sad-looking son of a bitch. he's just said he says sorry looking sorry looking sorry looking you know I actually got sued for saying that one time because I got in the ring in Baton Rouge Louisiana to introduce the Midnight Express in 1984 and I looked at the people I said you've got to be the sorriest looking bunch of people I've ever seen in my life
Starting point is 00:18:37 and on the way back to the locker room that's when that guy tried a little dive over the fucking guardrail and tried to punch me and I ducked it and whacked him with the racket and then Dundee watching from the back who was the booker not wrestling at the time he got on him but punched the guy on face about five times
Starting point is 00:18:55 and when I was trying to hit him again I drew back and I hit the cop in the head and the guy ended up suey in the newspaper article when asked why that you know he made a run for her he did this thing. He said, well, he called he called us all
Starting point is 00:19:14 sad. Sad, sorry, whatever. He called us all sad. Very inflammatory remark in those days. You better watch out. Arge Cassidy may come after you. Yeah, well, you're a sad son of a bitch and I'll tell you, I'm sorry, little fella. I don't pick on people.
Starting point is 00:19:32 They're much smaller than me. So, but anyway, without AEW, he doesn't exist, so he needs to stop this. He needs to cut the head off the snake, talking about Moxley, and he's going to do it alone. He doesn't want these other guys to help it. He's going to do it alone. And then this fucking bunch of mayhem causing rabble rousers in this used pickup truck
Starting point is 00:20:02 have been beaten a shit out of the entire roster. and this little fucking scrawny pencil neck son of a bitch I'll just cut this fucking I challenge you for an AEW world title match pal and he finished it up and said because I'm Orange Cassidy and I still don't need a catchphrase can you imagine Brian a regular
Starting point is 00:20:32 WWE viewer of which there are millions as we're aware I'll I'll turn on this other wrestling program or you know Bobby Lashley Shelton Benjamin I like them they were just I'll turn on this program and this is what they fucking see and their horse laughing and that's the end of that experiment
Starting point is 00:20:57 could you imagine if you had turned on WWFTV in 1994 and Doink the Clown came out and says, I don't normally do this, but without WWE, I'm nothing. I'll do it myself. No, actually, that's not really an apt comparison because they use doink on top. You know, it's not an apt comparison, too, because that was only a couple of years into Doink. Orange Cassidy, this is five years now, and nothing is moving up. And they're just doubling down on everyone that drove everything down. They're a little glimmers of hope, but the doubling down, tripling down on everything
Starting point is 00:21:37 that has caused the free fall in fan enthusiasm. It's not just because WW's hot. It's because AEW is putting on a stale product. No matter how many times you see a flip that you like, it doesn't change that it's a stale product. So now Orange Cassidy is getting into the main event. I told you years ago. I said, Tony is going to find a way to get the world title in Orange Cassidy. I'm not saying this is it, but this is the road to it.
Starting point is 00:22:10 And again, when you need to improve your company, and you are bringing people with size, if you walk into a restaurant, you see a Shelton Benjamin, a little bit of Bobby Lashley or an MVP, you're like, man, that's a big motherfucker, Jesus. You're a hell of, hey, Rick Ross. I don't want to fight this guy. This is a big, scary guy. You see Orange Cassidy, like, I could take him. And you could.
Starting point is 00:22:34 And that's the problem. So, I mean, he's out here. He's going to lead this. Meanwhile, again, MVP, Lashley, Sheldon, why don't they do something next week to end all this where Tony just says, I'll pay you guys, clean up my dressing room. Well, yeah, and we're going to get there at the end of this program. But, but I mean, that's pretty obvious. Just if you're not going to see the Moxley minions. cross-pollinating with MVP, Shelton, and Lashley,
Starting point is 00:23:04 because that wouldn't work out very well. And they're doing the whole hurt business thing right. It's amazing. This, again, has become a schizophrenic program where you have this childish, indie nonsense over, you know, a guy that fucking plays pocketpool is going to get revenge for his friend Muffin' Top. And nobody gives a fuck about these people except their own little indie bubble.
Starting point is 00:23:33 But there's the other problem right there. When you hear the audience reaction or in a lot of cases, in most cases on this show, this week and most weeks, the lack of reaction, what does that tell you? They're not even that enthusiastic about it. And at the same time, they've established a brand new top heel group and so badass that people are cheering them already. They just got there. It's because they're doing wrestling, grown men doing wrestling angles that imagine this look somewhat convincing. The other thing too is who's the baby face in AEW that isn't a sappy baby face?
Starting point is 00:24:16 Like when you really think about it, who have they put out there as the baby face side against Moxley? Not counting the bucks who ran away, but Darby? Dork order. Darby, Dork Order, Orange Cassidy, Daniel Garcia. How many of those guys have done a promo about how grateful they are to be there, how much they love it there, how they're mad at MJF or other people for not loving it enough there. Like, this is the problem.
Starting point is 00:24:43 That's not the future of the company. And they're acting like this is the future of the company. You forgot about Action Andretti. Well, you know what? He at least hasn't done that promo. They don't give him promo time. Yeah, he never gets to talk at all. But no, seriously, right?
Starting point is 00:24:58 Every single one of them, you want to get behind them, and it just turns into this sappy promo that's as cheesy as like a baby face talking to kids in the early 80s. Like, it's just cheesy, and it doesn't work. It makes people less, it makes them more friendly and less someone you want to cheer. Well, yes, and also, let's be honest, even if they had material written by Roy Shire himself, they're not going to they're kids that nobody cares about because they've been interchangeable
Starting point is 00:25:34 and they've done the same shit over and over for the last higher many years and again in one of these brawls they had one of the dork order guy what's it is that Reynolds Alex Reynolds he's the one with the long hair right and his ribs taped up yeah
Starting point is 00:25:50 I said what the fuck when he first came in and somebody grabbed him and dropped him on the rail and crotch first, I said, who is that chick in a tube top? I was like, who is that? Just came out of nowhere. It looked like a girl in a tube top. Alex Reynolds with his fucking rib tape on. And they're, it's just these guys have been job guys and or willy-nilly, wishy-washy,
Starting point is 00:26:17 interchangeable indie wrestlers, and nobody's produced them out of it. And nobody's booked them out of it. and now that's what's running in to fucking save the company again Shelton and Lashley could you know just step in and easily take care of the situation instead of these fucking dozen guys anyway moving on the long-awaited showdown between Adam Cole and Buddy Matthews where Buddy Matthews last week said
Starting point is 00:26:58 I'm going to show everybody you're fragile or fragilly, whichever way you pronounce that. And visually, this was kind of ridiculous, but he looks like he's got 100 pounds on Adam Cole. This looked like the paper boy had, you know,
Starting point is 00:27:20 jumped into the fucking ring against goddamn Lex Lugar. With a fake tan. If the paper boy got a really, really bad orange fake tan, that's what's... Well, that's another. part of the problem is that we've said before, you know, if Adam had a tan
Starting point is 00:27:34 maybe he looked a little more tone but they gave him some kind of what, did they use Pam spray? That fucking cooking spray? What did it? Between the bronze.
Starting point is 00:27:47 Well, it wasn't bronze. It was fucking between the fake spray tan and the flabby thighs he looked like a Simpsons character. It was just it I don't know what's happened.
Starting point is 00:28:03 And is there some way that he can not wrestle in swim trunks and maybe long tights or goddamn something? He loves the ocean, a wetsuit. Anything. He dropped to being an astronaut. Something a little more baggy. Could he, you know, I don't know. but they had a match and it was like if you overlooked
Starting point is 00:28:36 I mean Adam can work if you overlook what he's become physically and what Buddy Matthews looks like but the break spot was Adam took a bump to the floor and he's just leaning on the apron and he's ignoring where Buddy is until Buddy runs down the apron
Starting point is 00:28:56 and throws a kick and missed him by a fucking foot if you go back on the slow-mo if you dev-barred it and you could tell it missed and Adam sold it like he'd been shot with a cannon and down he went
Starting point is 00:29:13 and they went to the break. Did you notice that the fans were cheering buddy? Yes. Adam Cole's been brought in and they've tried to re-establish him now as a baby face again. They were all cheering for Buddy and I think a lot of it was because of the appearance.
Starting point is 00:29:28 When you see them in there together, it's ridiculous. Well, and also they cheered Adam coming back because he returned from a long absence from an injury. That always gets you cheered unless you're, you know, a dastardly heel, which he wasn't. But then now that they've heard the explanation that he's explained for why all these things went on a year ago that it doesn't make any sense, I think they've all rolled their eyes, haven't they? Yeah. So anyway. You know, it's like I said to you, I think the way he was booked from the moment he got there,
Starting point is 00:30:04 it began with the MJF stuff. I didn't like it, but it got over with those fans. And then that all went haywire. And then he's been a baby face and a heel. And back to a baby face three times, like without having a match. It happened over a couple of years. And again, the appearance thing, it's part of the story. I hate to say it, but it is.
Starting point is 00:30:28 well and then again buddy matthews look at the way he looks and we talked about he's the one in the house of black that can work but they come back from the break immediately buddy gives cole a superplex and they just rolled through and adam cole just picked buddy up a suplexed him after being superplexed and then buddy's working on Adam's bad ankle. And so he goes to the floor and the doctor just comes up and starts checking the leg and the referee is there letting the doctor check the leg and telling Buddy Matthews, get back, the doctor is checking the leg
Starting point is 00:31:16 while Adam Cole is on the floor. Didn't that used to be a countout? Yes. When you got thrown from the ring or fell from the ring and could not get back in by the count of 10, that's a countout. They never said that the doctor is a lay.
Starting point is 00:31:35 If the doctor stands up and says, oh, now wait a minute, unlike all the phony shit you've been looking at, this guy's really hurt now, so we're stopping everything until I, well, they'd fucking count him the fuck out. If the doctor needs to look at a motherfucker, chances are he's not going to be back in the ring
Starting point is 00:31:55 by the 10 count. Count his ass out. But the other part of the, the problem is the psychologically, I don't think any of this left the audience wanting to see Adam Cole come back and win. I think everyone kind of wanted buddy to win.
Starting point is 00:32:10 You feel sorry, they, well, they felt sorry for him, if anything, like, can you get that poor little thing out of there for he gets hurt? But then when they do an injury angle in the middle of the match, yeah, then it becomes even more offensive when he comes back and kicks out of everything and somehow wins. Well, yeah, because the fans were, the fans did the referees count for him.
Starting point is 00:32:29 They counted out loud to 10. You heard them six, seven, eight, nine, ten. They're doing it. And still the referee didn't pick up on it. They counted out the baby face. Yes. And then the doctor starts helping Adam Cole to the back. And Adam's like, oh, I'll hobble to the back with you.
Starting point is 00:32:52 And buddy microphone, buddy microphone. Buddy microphone. That'll be his new gimmick. You know what? We said he needs a better fucking gimmick. so that's buddy microphone buddy Matthews got on a microphone
Starting point is 00:33:05 and goaded him coming back and called him a little bitch which he was because he's being helped out limping from his match that buddy should have won already by count out but now that he's goading him and calls him a little bitch
Starting point is 00:33:21 then Adam limps back and the doctor says okay and then they start going back and forth and buddy tries to get Adam Cole to throw the towel in and Adam throws it at Buddy and kicks him five or six times and knee lifts him and gets a two count and then Buddy gets a buckle bomb and a curb stomped
Starting point is 00:33:45 and gets a one count on this guy that was being carried out by the fucking doctor a couple minutes ago and then Adam Cole just oh fuck it he's mad now hits him with a Panama sunrise but he falls to the floor gives him a Panama sunrise on the floor
Starting point is 00:34:04 which looks like it hurts the fucking giver or more than the givee doesn't it? Yes, very much so. And then he rolled him back in the ring and hit him with a knee to the back of the head, one, two, three. So after all that, not only it was a rotten finish but they just beat him flat. And as I said the match was
Starting point is 00:34:25 okay when they were working if you, you know, accept the visual ridiculousness or ridiculousity of it. But then, you know, the doctor thing and the whole thing and the blah, blah, blah. And then he beats Buddy flat. Then he gets on the microphone, Adam does, and says, buddy, you reminded me of who the real Adam Cole is, thank you. And they shake hands. Why would the, God damn.
Starting point is 00:34:59 It's been a pleasure. Thank you. Yeah, the heel was like, well, finally, I've been recognized for my good works. Is the second member of the House of Black that have a weird baby face turn? Well, yeah, but here's the thing. They shake hands and the lights go out. And when the lights come back on, Adam Cole is standing there shaking hands with Malachi Black and Buddy is watching them. so somehow Adam Cole didn't realize
Starting point is 00:35:30 that a motherfucker let go of his hand in the dark and what the he couldn't tell the guy let go of his hand because the lights went out and he's surprised and Malachi Black looks at him and Adam Cole rolls out and walks off
Starting point is 00:35:54 he also has respect for Adam Cole. Again, the House of Black, Darby, Brody King, who had beaten the shit out of Darby apparently for years inside and outside the ring, like they've done angles and stuff, at record stores. He was concerned about Darby's well-being and that he would die if he went to the mountain. And here, the heel who was getting cheered the entire match
Starting point is 00:36:24 to the point where the fans counted out the baby face while the doctors were checking on. He did it just to earn, or not even to earn, just to prove that he has respect already for Adam Cole. Explain it if you can't, right? I don't, I don't know. How long, did you write, did you, I can't speak, did you write down how long the match went?
Starting point is 00:36:54 How long did it go? Well, we are 30 minutes into the show, and all we've seen so far is the, the, the, the interview with the mascot and this match. So, yeah, lengthy. But you see, there it is again. Adam Cole, I guess so at Orange Cassidy. The, can I take him test?
Starting point is 00:37:13 You look at Adam Cole and you're like, how come Buddy Matthews is having such a hard time with this guy? I'd kill him. It's the same thing. Buddy Matthews looks like he would fit in with the Lashley's, with the Shelton-Benzhenomans, with the main eventers, with the people look like wrestlers.
Starting point is 00:37:30 not the again just started the vision you know the bad thing about buddy is he can work too rather than just looking good started the vision for just a hundred and sixty pound men do it just put them one well but now wait a minute now hold on drop that last qualifier just they started the division for 160 pounders well then again you're gonna you're gonna stand connor mcgregor next to adam cold a god fuck that's true that's true How about wrestlers that go to the gym versus wrestlers that don't? Well, and we're not done actually here now. You know, with this whole angle, because once they went to the break and they came, they went back to the back and to the locker room where there's Adam Cole, Matt Taven, Mike Bennett, and Roderick Strong, four sterling white meat baby faces.
Starting point is 00:38:24 And Adam Cole, because what have we said about Adam Cole primarily from day one that his strongest point is that he can cut a convincing promo that he has inflection and he has delivery and you
Starting point is 00:38:42 technically tend to believe that Adam Cole means every word that he's saying here with this delivery and that that means that you have to think that Adam Cole is the biggest bullshit artist in the world because what he's
Starting point is 00:38:59 saying makes no sense. He's still trying to make MJF the heel. That's why we had to fucking strike first, and we had to be this because I wasn't going to sit around and let MJF do to me what he did to everybody else. Does that explain why when Adam Cole was in a scooter and a walking boot from a severe ankle break that Roddy and Tavin and Bennett were making him do their yard work?
Starting point is 00:39:27 how does that fit into this whole goddamn thing what i forgot about that yeah see that's why none of this where's wardlow where's wardlow where's wardlow he even even mentioned his name he said I'm not going to let mjaf do to me what he did to wardlow well then why did you find wardlo and say hey you're the last
Starting point is 00:39:51 motherfucker to beat this guy won't you come in here instead these three wombatts i've got behind me who made me do yard work when I was in a walking boot and a fucking serious injury and they're out there making me sweat fucking cut the goddamn grass because why we never figured out
Starting point is 00:40:10 why? Because they were bros, he was bro chachos with MJF. Well, if they were making him cut, if MJF and Adam Cole were a unit of friends and bro chachos and this tag team, but Adam Cole was secretly working with Roderick Strong
Starting point is 00:40:29 and Matt Taven and Mike Bennett to lull MJF into a false insecurity and strike like they did then if MGF was already bro-chotchos with Adam Cole why did they have to go over and above to prove to MJF that Adam Cole was not like Roddy and Taven and Bennett by having Roddy and Tavenett mistreat Adam Cole what the flying fuck sometimes there are no answers.
Starting point is 00:41:01 So speaking of no answers, here came Don Fallis, the leader of the Falis family, and he brought out, oh, the bald-headed geek. Remember those Jimmy Vali and promos from 1986? Paul Jones, you're going to be a bald-headed geek, baby, who, messy.
Starting point is 00:41:24 He brought out bald-headed Kyle Feltcher. Do you think if that was done today? the bald-headed community would be protesting against AEW? No, I don't think there would be protests. I just think that nobody gives a shit anymore because all these dim wits fucking shave their heads on purpose.
Starting point is 00:41:43 So, you know, they somehow have gotten the idea because three people in the world looked bald, Steve Austin being one of them, now every wrestler has to be bald. I saw a bald woman on TV the other day. and I think it was on purpose. I'm not saying she had been through treatments or something. I'm thinking this was a choice she made
Starting point is 00:42:10 and somebody in her family should intervene. Maybe she joined the Nightmare Collective. No, that girl's hair's had time to grow back. It's been three years since we've seen her. You know, I used to think that was the BG's song, Bald-headed woman, bald-headed woman to me. see the a.m. radio back in those days it wasn't like the racons but if you stop and think about it why would they be singing this song well exactly that's why i wondered about them for so long
Starting point is 00:42:43 meanwhile they're covered hair yeah see that's what i figured maybe it's some kind of goddamn deal they've got they're the ones that want the hair and if you if you don't have hair they're not going to be there or whatever the case. Where are we going? Well, we're talking about Kyle Feltcher being baldheaded, and they called out Will Osprey, and Will Osprey didn't come out. So Kyle started talking again, and suddenly music played, and out came, the announcers identified him as Mark Davis, and nobody in that building knew who the fuck this was.
Starting point is 00:43:30 and Tony Shibati out. Well, listen to the ovation. For the return of Mark Davis, nobody had, they were playing music. That was the ovation. The fans were going, huh?
Starting point is 00:43:42 And he was dressed like he had been changing his oil on a Sunday afternoon in his driveway, and somebody was, hey, go down to the wrestling show. And Mark Davis is upset at what Kyle did. And I just wrote, this is insane. I'm watching a fucking wrestler have an argument with some stage hand at this point. I mean, and, you know, Mark said, we used to have an empire.
Starting point is 00:44:17 The fuck, that was the name of your team. How about if I, if you and me, Brian, go as the 12-inch dicks, does that mean we've got 12-inch dicks, or is that just what we decided to call ourselves? That means you're riding my coattails. That's what I mean is. Hey! I'll tell you. you what.
Starting point is 00:44:35 Wait, where's the we in this conversation? We wouldn't have a total of 24 inches without my three and a half. So anyway, Kyle told Davis that you'll always have a spot in the family, but you better make your decision pretty quick and make it right. And Mark Davis said we had a whole empire, not just a family,
Starting point is 00:45:00 and you destroyed it. and he walked off away and Mark Davis versus Kyle Feltcher I don't know if WrestleMania is big enough for that one, do you? You know, it was disappointing on two ends. It was disappointing the fans had no idea who he was or what any of this was about.
Starting point is 00:45:20 Everything with Kyle Fletcher since Mark Davis got hurt has been to get him away from the whole Aussie open thing. He dyed his hair. They put him with callus. Got a bunch of high profile losses on TV. Then they started doing the thing with him and Osprey.
Starting point is 00:45:38 It's a few months now. They even involved MJF at one point. So now they're bringing back Mark Davis. Now, none of those fans know who he is. And on the other side of the coin, if you're a fan of Aussie Open, this is the Aussie Open breakup. This was horrible from both ends of it.
Starting point is 00:45:57 From both ends. Right? Think about it. If you're a fan of these guys, and you've been watching them in New Japan or Australia, wherever for years, this was the big breakup. Well, those 17 people are going to be fucking pissed off, I'll tell you that. But no, again, they're in a building.
Starting point is 00:46:14 They played music and put up the United Empire logo, and they have Mark Davis walk out. Again, looking like some guy just wandered in. He'd been to Popeyes down the street, and they wouldn't let him walk up to the drive-thru. Somebody said, here's a free wrestling ticket. What are the people supposed to do when they can't, tell who the fuck this is that it's even a wrestler and it's a guy that looks like they've never
Starting point is 00:46:37 seen him before. You know what he should have done? He should have done that old thing where he comes out and he says, it's me, I'm back. Joe Stevens and get a reaction. I lied. I'm Mark Davis. None of you even know who I am? You know what?
Starting point is 00:46:52 They used to do that back in the Tennessee territory in the 60s when they would unmask a fucking masked wrestler. They'd just give them some gimmick name. When they, I've got it in my notes somewhere. but I can't, but when they unmasked the mummy in Louisville, they gave his name as some fucking bull, some guy I've never heard from, or never heard from.
Starting point is 00:47:12 No, we broke up and I've never heard of yet. No, I never heard of it. He was a great pen pal as the mummy. Then once he lost that. But anyway, nevertheless, that was that. So I hate to see the United Empire come to this because they were united and an empire, and now they're un-
Starting point is 00:47:32 United, and they're very unimperical. So, I guess that means Ospre, by the way, is a little bit of a sabbatical in England. Is that the only way to take it? Well, I don't know. Maybe he just, maybe he couldn't drive. He couldn't get to the fucking building. He had nobody to drive him because he got no driver's license. We established that.
Starting point is 00:47:56 Remember a city, never driven in the United States before? That was a while back. That was when they cut his tires for his car. Yeah, when he was about to attempt to drive to the hotel. They found his tires were cutting And they made the whole spot about Barb Brady asked Have you ever driven in the United States?
Starting point is 00:48:13 No! Where were we going from here? Is there more of this? You know what? We were going to go and we were going to talk about more of this but you know, sometimes in the middle of these shows, Jim, sometimes you just need a break from the action.
Starting point is 00:48:29 Sometimes you need something else. Sometimes you may want to go and just do some shopping or maybe you want to load up some items for your business and sell them to other people there are so many options and so many things to do
Starting point is 00:48:47 all of them will probably be better than AEW's merch operation but you finally struck on something I can run with there after playing whack-up mold with every goddamn thing you could I'll tell you what they ought to be doing over there at AEW
Starting point is 00:49:05 who's selling their merchandise they ought to have Shopify taking care of it for them. That's what they ought to be doing because as we all know, folks, nobody does selling better than Shopify. They're the home of the number one checkout on the planet. And they also have a not-so-secret secret. As a matter of fact, as I remember from an interview one time
Starting point is 00:49:26 from a wrestler, he said, it's a very well-known secret. And this is a well-known secret to Shoppay, boosts conversions up to 50%. So boy, I'll tell you, if your conversion needs a boost or a leg up, 50%. It's going to be just that quick. Does it mean that they're 50% quicker or 50% bigger? They're just 50% better.
Starting point is 00:49:56 And way less carts go abandoned with Shopify and way more of the sales, the money, the De Niro, the movie, Way more of that goes right in your pocket where you can shake hands with Malachi Black who has his hand and everything. But it won't be his hand. It will be someone else's hand. Well, that's only when you draw it out of your pocket. If you're into growing your business, folks, your commerce platform better be ready to sell wherever your customers are scrolling or strolling. So if it's on the web, in the store, in their feed, out on the... the street, you know, Shopify employs
Starting point is 00:50:37 a troop of people that just go up to people at random on the street, especially in Times Square, and say, hey, no, they don't know. You want to buy some of Hotchkiss's goods? They certainly don't say that. No one says that. I've got some of Aunt Emily's merchandise right here, and they will make these
Starting point is 00:50:53 people buy something so they can walk past. So right there, there's more money in your pocket. Right there, that's not happening in Times Square. That's not the way Shopify does business. They do business for you with you. help you. Yes.
Starting point is 00:51:06 Let's talk about that. It's all about making you money. That's why other people have money and you want it. They're going to get it for you. So it doesn't matter what you're selling. You could be selling freezers to Eskimos or Pussy on a troop train. It doesn't matter. One way or the other, they'll make people buy it with Shopify.
Starting point is 00:51:27 Because businesses that sell more sell on Shopify. It's no secret. Businesses that want to grow. grow with Shopify. They sell and they grow. They're like the blob of online commerce. All they do is instead of
Starting point is 00:51:46 eat and grow, they just sell and grow. Every time they sell, they grow. Sooner or later, they roll over a small town in Kansas and absorb it. That's not the way it works. They are there to help you. They can work with you. Have you ever seen the blob in person? No, you mean the stage play?
Starting point is 00:52:03 No, they have like, It's like a canister with just this goo inside to say, here's the actual blob from the movie of the blob. And it's just a bunch of crap in a fucking canister. Well, and you expected it to be, uh, what, spam? Not as good as Shopify. Not as good as Shopify. Folks, upgrade your business.
Starting point is 00:52:23 Get the same checkout that all of the big boys use. Sign up for your $1 a month trial period at Shopify. dot com slash jce and that jc of course is in lowercase Shopify.com slash jce
Starting point is 00:52:45 and you're going to get a $1 a month trial period so that you can see that Shopify will collect and or extort all kinds of money from the shopping public in order to keep you happy and farting through silk. No extortion. involved or necessary Shopify's there to help you.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Well, only if they push people. No, they'll be, no. If you push them. No. Push may not come to shove when it comes to legal matters. Shopify's there to legally help you. I don't know why we have to talk about the legalities of this. Well, you know what?
Starting point is 00:53:20 They're there for you. So give Shopify a big push and they'll push you right to the bank. If you have products you need to sell, you need Shopify to work with you to sell them. to sell them. How can they get hooked up with this, Jim? Shopify.com slash JCE in the lowercase area of the keyboard. We'll get you the $1 a month trial period where you get to go like that. Well, that's right, Jim. That's the kind of deal you can get with Shopify. We encourage everyone to check that out.
Starting point is 00:53:53 And that was some slick selling on your part. I don't know how much slick selling there was on dynamite. Let's go back to dynamite. Well, there wasn't a lot of selling coming up. because it was time for Moxley's clown car to pull up and come to the ring through. They showed him before the break coming out of a room in the arena
Starting point is 00:54:10 and then showed him walking into the arena on the other side of the break. But they can't, they just can't be brought to associate with the riffraff over there in the locker room. They've now established he has a locker room of his own. He still chooses to walk through the arena. And,
Starting point is 00:54:30 okay here comes Moxley and he is he's trying to do something with that decrepit physical appearance of his and Claudio's a fucking giant and old Pac well he's he's just ripped and shredded and Marina Schaefer she's the toughest one of the bunch and then here comes Utah he looks like you know this fucking street gang brought their weed dealer with him well look at it what it's like at least here's this guy look okay he can kick somebody's ass and that guy's fucking huge and that guy's jacked up and look at she's a badass from the jiu-jitsu world and there's we told ronnie he can come along for the ride yeah you know ronnie did you bring the stuff maybe it's weed or yuda but but then again weed dealer
Starting point is 00:55:28 here we go even if this whole deal already wasn't confusing and the whole nine yards with it what in the fuck is Moxley talking about and his audition reel for the indie movies the whole nine yards how can anybody take him seriously
Starting point is 00:55:45 as the world champion or as a badass if he's either wrestling or talking about the biggest joke wrestler on a roster of joky wrestlers think about it. Here's their world champion and he's beating everybody up on the fucking roster and he's got this whole group with him
Starting point is 00:56:04 and he's cutting a promo about Orange fucking Cassidy and then after he does the promo where he's ranting and raving in the circles that he talks in about our little puppy pockets I didn't you didn't challenge me I challenged you
Starting point is 00:56:30 which I think he did last week. But then suddenly they grab Wheeler, their boy Wheeler and they jerk him down and they put a chair around his neck and they're going to fucking break his neck. But then Pockets slides in and tackles Moxley and they all jump him and they let,
Starting point is 00:56:51 they let Wheeler go and he gets up and starts kicking pockets. Why did Pockets come to save Yuta? why was that the moment that would have triggered him for them to beat up one of their own they all used to be friends and they just know that maybe one of these days one of their friends will see the light
Starting point is 00:57:15 and I don't fucking know and then here comes the dork order in and the heels no sold them and just beat him up and that's where I mentioned that Rennel's guy with his ribs taped up looked like a girl in a tube top and they got pockets down and they were about to break his neck. When here comes Darby from the ceiling, I'm not ribbing.
Starting point is 00:57:44 Eddie, he drops that, but at least the fans woke up there because until this point it was like, oh, fucking come on. But when they see Darby, okay, somebody's finally over. And boom. And they start cheering, but now he's, hooked to the thing and even Shavani references
Starting point is 00:58:06 well so and so has to come over to help Darby get un-disconected. I'm like, what the fuck? And then here comes Derby's beating up Claudio and some more job guys come out. There's Garcia, there's private party.
Starting point is 00:58:23 And everybody goes over the rail and fights into the arena except private party stays in the ring. And then the Buccourou's music starts playing because they're scheduled to face private parties, so they're coming into the arena down the entranceway while these other guys have gotten up in the stands
Starting point is 00:58:47 and you just see them just kind of put their arm on each other's shoulders and just walk out instead of continuing to fight. And now they're ready for the World Tag Title match. Brian, your thought. Is there a difference between they fought off and they fought out? No, they fought out and fought off would technically mean the same thing, but the word fight is too strenuous, a word for what they were doing here. They walk fought. I mean, there's so much to say about this.
Starting point is 00:59:22 The stumps from Wheeler Yuda when he was heel again, after Orange Cassidy foolishly ran in there, however many people on. one to save Wheeler Yuda. That was something. Maybe I'm alone on this, but I don't care how safe it is. If your company has a partnership with Dr. Martha Hart, I'm not doing anyone dropping from the ceiling. And you know, one of the reasons it worked so well for Sting in the Lucy Goosey 90s was because he was able to unhook himself and get to the action. Maybe he shouldn't have. Maybe should have been a technician to help him with that. And if that's what Darby has to do, then he shouldn't be dropping from the ceiling if he needs to be in a brawl. Exactly.
Starting point is 01:00:11 And then the whole Moxley thing, nothing is explained. Still, nothing's explained. There with Moxley, his gang, because he built AEW with his own hands. And he doesn't like what it's become while he's been there the entire time. And if you think this is bad now, wait until the buck's return with Kemp's. to be the heroes to stop Moxley. Oh, well, but now, wait a minute. They must have scratched that,
Starting point is 01:00:41 because according to what I just saw just coming up here shortly in this program, they're going in the opposite direction. Well, as you said, the Moxley-Darby angle ended, but the next match began instantly as all of this was wrapping up. Well, yes, because you can't grieve forever.
Starting point is 01:01:03 But now it was not. nine o'clock time to get the party started private party versus the hardly boys for the world tag team title and I don't know we'll talk about the rating shortly but boy they give these guys
Starting point is 01:01:19 every week they give them some important quarter that they can fuck up and I mean this match again you can't seriously critique it as a wrestling match the the cartwheeling and cheerleading began in earnest immediately. They've got their hand-picked referee,
Starting point is 01:01:39 the desiccated corpse himself, Rick Knox, so there's going to be no tags, there's going to be no sense of logic or order or credibility. They managed to work a spot where the baby faces look like complete idiots, where one of the heels ducked and one of private party hit his own partner with the ringbell. And that was the way that to guys,
Starting point is 01:02:03 got color and of course it looked like he tried to pop a pimple that's how much blood he had but still so that the the baby faces are busting each other open now then they drug one member of private party
Starting point is 01:02:19 to the stage and left him there so that O'Cody could come out and give him what may be the fakes tombstone pile driver I've ever seen on the stage would you call that a Tombstone Pile Driver, Brian, or would you call it picking somebody up and gently bending to your knees to let them down?
Starting point is 01:02:44 Yeah, Okada just kind of went down. He got less air than Gino Moore doing a big splash. He just didn't even leave the ground. He just went right down very gingerly. Yes. To Tombstone Pile Driver, the baby face to make sure he can. I mean, the Tombstone Pile Driver on the entrance stage did nothing to stop the baby face. but anyway. Well, no, because he was up and back in the ring a couple minutes later,
Starting point is 01:03:06 but the point is we're not saying break the guy's neck. We're saying if you can't do something that looks good and professional, then just don't fucking do it. And this guy can't do anything that looks good or professional. So then, and then he just left. Oh, Cody, just left again. And they beat up the other private party fellow forever. Two on one for minutes at a time in front of the most useful.
Starting point is 01:03:33 referee in the history of wrestling. And then the other private party came back that had been Tombstone Pile Drive. And they had a continuous four-way until they hit a double-team move on little Nikki, the younger brother, and covered him one, two, three. Big pop.
Starting point is 01:03:53 Fans happy. Big, well, the fans love the idea of the Buccaroos not being the champions anymore. And then as the people, popped and private parties got the belts the buckaroos jerked the belts away and then they look at each other and then they handed
Starting point is 01:04:11 handed them back to them and patted them on the shoulder and left see baby face turned and then they're about to run out of the goddamn building with their tails between their legs like cowards but in the meantime this match would have gotten everybody involved in it expelled from wrestling school and it took
Starting point is 01:04:34 20 minutes the right result, but boy, it was brutal to get there. I mean, the right result, we'll see who a private party has to work with going forward, but definitely need some kind of change in that tag from division, and you definitely need the bucks. I mean, how many times have the bucks had to go away at this point, and they have to do it again? See, they go away well.
Starting point is 01:05:00 The part that they can't master is the coming back. Is the groan from the audience when the opening notes of their music hits a again in a couple months. Yeah, that's what they can't avoid. Well, but we're going to get to that. We need to keep chronologically. So we're going to get to their exit from the building in a minute. But then there was the segment that, I don't know why they didn't do this in the back,
Starting point is 01:05:24 because they had these three dim wits just come out and stand there in front of the people with their backs to the people. But Jericho, Big Bill and Brian Keith did a prime. in the fashion they've been doing it. And at the top of it, I jotted down real quick. How did he convince anybody to let him do this bullshit on television? I'm just talking about the overall gimmick. I'm talking to the tone in his voice that he never had before.
Starting point is 01:05:56 And the fact that he's dragging Big Bill down with him. And I mean, Brian Keith's lucky to be there. Everybody obviously see that. but just the without even talking about the content the delivery the goofy delivery this hasn't gotten any heat
Starting point is 01:06:17 per se this hasn't increased ratings this hasn't increased buy rates this hasn't increased ticket sales this hasn't increased interest it's Jericho doing another thing that
Starting point is 01:06:34 Jericho does to just annoy people and stay on television. Am I mischaracterizing the cheesiness of this whole persona that he's adopted? Well, again, let's take everyone a step back. Jericho started getting an incredibly negative reaction from AEW fans, starting, I think, in New York when it came out that he went after Stephen P. New and said, I, you know, never signed an NDA. And then it was brought up that how many people have signed NDAs because of him, and then that kind of shut Jericho up,
Starting point is 01:07:07 but the fans remembered it, and he started getting booed, he started getting the please retire chance, and of course it's moments like that that lead to reinvention, and more importantly, ways to convince Tony Con that you can reinvent yourself with your bad ideas.
Starting point is 01:07:21 And the problem with Chris Jericho is, there's never someone to put him in check and say, no, Chris, this is all really bad. You're not good at this. You're not an ideas guy. You're a bad ideas guy, but you're not an ideas guy and that leads us to this point where
Starting point is 01:07:38 a play on, quite frankly, a play on what we make fun of here on the show. The thanks guys led to hi guys. I mean, it's really just a big, you know, he's kissing, he's blowing a kiss to us with this whole thing. He's blowing somebody else though. Unfortunately, it seemed like with this promo, maybe
Starting point is 01:07:59 it's gotten to him a little bit. Well, and here's the thing. And I know Uncle Dave, because he mentioned, you know, Dave Meltzer and the Wrestling Observer newsletter gave my ladder match with Mark Briscoe, four stars. And then in this week's edition of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter, Uncle Dave says that, well, Jericho then cut a promo about directly to the naysayers, to the people who have criticized AEW and criticized him
Starting point is 01:08:38 and said they wouldn't get this TV deal or that because Jericho's out there saying, if you underestimated Chris Jericho, then you don't know how wrestling or television works. And so Dave has taken that as Jericho is out there defending AEW and what they've done and what he's done and now a ring of honor and blah, blah, blah,
Starting point is 01:09:04 because they're trying to shop around or already have shopped around and believe they may have found a sucker, I mean a buyer, for a Ring of Honor TV show with True TV, right? Which is one of the minions in the WBD Canon, Arsenal, whatever. Yeah, Jericho's acting like he's still a demo god or that he really helps the show or the ratings or anything.
Starting point is 01:09:30 No, this is exactly where we thought he would end up on True TV with 300,000 viewers. Well, yes, that's the thing while Uncle Dave is saying that Jericho is cutting a promo sniping at all the naysayers who've criticized AEW and no. He's cutting a promo
Starting point is 01:09:46 basically said how you underestimated me being able to sucker this fucking billionaire to giving me my own show where I can be the world champion I can be all over the fucking thing and I don't have to interact
Starting point is 01:09:59 with these fuckers over here anymore. with all the people that don't want to work with them anymore. That's the other thing. It's not like the comments we had about Chris Jericho and his work over the last several years weren't heard by the locker room. He was able to sucker some guys in that he was helping them, that he had advice for them. Who has come out for the better for that? No one.
Starting point is 01:10:21 MJF had to get as far away from all that as he could. And now he's going to have a show because who's going to work with him amongst the top people in AEW right now? the Moxley group no The Box group no The Box group no Also what they're saying Is that well it was more important
Starting point is 01:10:38 For Ring of Honor to have a name like Jericho is the world champion Instead of Mark Briscoe or any of the other guys Because of his name value Well Yes name value is important And we've talked about it And five years ago
Starting point is 01:10:51 When Jericho was the only name there He was pretty important And start of the program But now that we've seen him for five years He's five years older. And the whole idea of Ring of Honor is not to have a mid-50s champion that does bad fucking promos as a gimmick.
Starting point is 01:11:15 And if you wanted a name, if you were just going to say, fuck the style of Ring of Honor or the idea that Ring of Honor is for the younger talent. It's kind of like the cool underground record label vibe or whatever. Then you've just signed Bobby Lashley. Why wouldn't you make Bobby Lashley the world champion of Ring of Honor if you wanted a name off of the other television to be strong, et cetera?
Starting point is 01:11:46 No, at Jericho, went to his, oh, Tony, I'll get this thing over for you. So he's got his own show, his own bunch of stooges, his own world title, and he can do whatever the fuck he wants. once over there. Anyway. You know, I mean, again, it all comes back to the same thing. Jericho found the biggest Jericho fan and has gotten away with murder for millions of dollars for several years now. Chris Jericho, Chris Jericho is possibly the most successful hit man in history.
Starting point is 01:12:21 He's been paid millions of dollars to kill a bunch of towns. Go ahead. And the other thing is he hurts everyone who gets involved. Big Bill is actually one of the few exceptions so far. But, you know, you've got to think big Bill's just trying to get back to WWE. But with Ring of Honor, they have such a difficult time promoting and marketing AEW. So if this gets picked up on True TV, let's say, another Warner Brothers Discovery channel or anywhere else, that means you would think they're going to start promoting, with Jericho's the world champion,
Starting point is 01:12:52 they're going to start promoting the brand a whole lot more. That's going to create a little bit of confusion in the marketplace, isn't it? Jericho is the world champion. He's the world champion of AEW. No, that's a different world champion. Are they going to rebrand Ring of Honor, AEW Ring of Honor? Like, how's it going to work? Or is it going to be like TNA to WWE?
Starting point is 01:13:10 Or I guess that's not, is it going to be like NXT to a ring of honor? We don't know. It's very confusing is what it's going to be. And they can't focus on anything to begin with. And they're going to have more stuff to talk about. So I just can't wait. And Tony thinks these. guys are his friends.
Starting point is 01:13:32 That's the funny thing. Of course he does. They're his highly, highly prized, highly priced, and highly paid friends. And speaking of some of the highest ones, they go to the back where Garcia snatches old jungle jack, throws him up against the wall at his custom. You, you can do something about this and blah, blah, blah. and then Jungle Jack goes into the Buccaro's locker room and they are packing their shit and putting papers in the shredder
Starting point is 01:14:05 and say we got to go, we got to get out of here, we're leaving. Again, they can't do anything that's not funny and not believable. They can't do anything to get something over serious. That's why they're in the position they're in. because they think that people were just going to enjoy for 10 years them playing with themselves. And it got old. But they're shredding the papers and they're looking like they're bailing out
Starting point is 01:14:39 before the goddamn feds come to file a search warrant or whatever. And we get out of that. And more on that a minute. Or should we do more on it now? Let's keep it together. Let's keep it together. Well, I wish I could keep it together. So they have the next match, which we'll talk about in a minute.
Starting point is 01:15:00 And then they go to the back again, and now the buckaroos are bailing from the building. They're running to the parking lot like somebody's chasing them. And Chris Daniels tries to stop them and go, no, we need you, we need you. Don't leave. And one of the little buckaroos is like, well, this person. place is too chaotic. And we told you, but nobody would listen to us. And now I'm going to be working from home.
Starting point is 01:15:31 And Daniels again, we need you, but they drive off. But they've left Brandon Cutlett, who was coming with their box of shit and he had shredded stuff. And suddenly, as he's there standing there like, don't we see. No, you say box of shit. It was all sneakers. Was that what it was? Sneakers and shit.
Starting point is 01:15:49 Just tons of sneakers. Yeah. Just because they're children. that's the most important thing to them I remember when I when I found other things to play with I didn't worry about my tennis shoes when I was a kid anyway
Starting point is 01:16:04 Moxley and his band of Mary misfits appear and they they slapped the box of sneakers down and now I prefer moccasins hold on God damn it.
Starting point is 01:16:29 Mockisons. Try the veal. So, Chris Daniels, an ex-pro wrestler, a member of management who, a while back Tony Kahn made his spokesman, right? Before they forgot about all that. He was made the spokesman after the Bucks and Jack Perry beat up Tony Kahn.
Starting point is 01:16:50 Yes, yes. Well, now Moxley just put his arm around Daniels and held him immobile like a small child, not exhibiting much effort to do it. And there was Daniels going, because Moxley's hand is over his mouth. No, and while he's holding Daniels,
Starting point is 01:17:17 Marina Schaefer who puts, what the fuck? What's his name? Cutlet. Brandon Cutlet's hand on a forklift, and Claudio has a, a ball peen hammer and Claudio
Starting point is 01:17:31 picks the hammer up and hits the forklift beside the guy's hand and the guy didn't sell it right away because it missed and he didn't realize and then instead of jerking his handback or even an instantaneous oh shit
Starting point is 01:17:49 like when you drop something on your toe oh shit he went and then they She had a chain around his wrist. She untied the little chain and he was selling his hand that again, it missed by six inches.
Starting point is 01:18:09 High invisible that it did. I mean, it's not like it missed and you had to go back and check. You went back and check like, yeah, I think I just saw what I saw. Yeah, well, and then also, because the guy didn't know when to sell it because it never touched him. Audio's not good with tools. He's better with books. I saw casino this weekend, so I did the hammer scene.
Starting point is 01:18:31 I've heard the saying A poor worker blames his tools But I've never Now you're going to have to carry shoes with your left hand But I mean This what in the world Again like who gives a shit about The stooge of the EVPs that are heels
Starting point is 01:18:52 And nobody gives a shit about them to begin with And now we're gonna So in two weeks in a row They've beaten up Chuck fucking Taylor and now they had to go a ways but they found the only person
Starting point is 01:19:07 less important to the company or to the fans than Chuck Taylor and they beat him up. Well again too, they're the big heels in the tag team division so big that the fans just don't want to watch when they're on TV and they respectfully
Starting point is 01:19:23 handed over the belts after losing baby face move however then we were told by commentary, by Excalibur, that they were shredding documents in the back. No, we saw it. We saw it when they opened the door. You know what?
Starting point is 01:19:40 I didn't see it. When they opened the door, I saw the sneakers in Cutler. I never saw the documents, but we were told over and over. No, Cutler was, he was feeding him into fucking shredder. Well, in the first, first couple seconds of the scene. So then there's shredding documents. That seems like a heel move. And in running.
Starting point is 01:19:57 And then they flee. That's a heel move. But now their friend has been attacked with a half. hammer, a hammer that's so strong, it's like Thor's hammer. You don't even have to hit the body part. You have to be near it. You hit the pole next to it and the vibrations caused the injury. You got to figure they're going to come back and save their stooge.
Starting point is 01:20:16 That's a baby face move. Here's the thing, even if they do come back to save their friends. So now they've established that those are the pussies that ran off when they were afraid of these guys, but their friend gets hurt. So now they're coming back to try to do something. should I support them because they didn't want to help the company. They didn't want to help the fans.
Starting point is 01:20:36 They just, whenever their friend got hurt, then they came back from running. Otherwise, they were content to be pussies up to that point. How does that gain support for a baby face? And by the way, Christopher Daniels, I said it from the beginning. He's like a bootleg Adam Page, Adam Pearce.
Starting point is 01:20:58 Adam Pierce has never been made the look as weak as Christopher Daniels has since almost the very beginning. And what's the point of him in that role? Well, and again, to just, to just hold him. Just like, here, little fellow, just stay there. So anyway, that was that. You want to go back to the match we skipped? The match that we are speaking of that we had skipped earlier was Camille versus Chris Statlander.
Starting point is 01:21:29 and again I thought well here's a chance we can evaluate Camille and there wasn't anything matter with the match but boy howdy did the booking get in the way first of all remember well yeah it was like they kind of just made it up as they went along but the booking if you can call it that of this thing is completely again they've ward-loaded Camille already, I will, I'll not get ahead of myself. The point is, Stantlander was from Alpha Centauri. No.
Starting point is 01:22:11 Or Andromeda. The Andromeda Galaxy. Yes. In Suffolk County. And then she actually became a real person after she had a couple of injuries, as I recall. And of late, when we've had a chance to see her, she had kind of the jeans thing going on. she had a youngish type of look she was a baby face she's got good size she can do shit we're like why don't they do something with her instead of this fucking Mercedes moon
Starting point is 01:22:40 and now she came out and she looks like she moved back to outer space and the gimmick is it's a complete departure and all these people show up there used to be a rule in the wwf you couldn't get a fucking tattoo without office approval. You couldn't get a new set of tights made that was radically different from anything you've been wearing without approval because your publicity, your pictures, the way you're being written for, your gimmick, you don't just get to, oh, fuck it, I'm going to be a ballet dancer this week.
Starting point is 01:23:20 But now she's back to tights, she's got face paint on. It looked outlawed. it looked like she's trying to be from outer space again. Suddenly, for no reason. No explanation. So they had a match. They were serious. They were fairly stiff.
Starting point is 01:23:40 It was a big girl match. Who's the most powerful? Camille hit a great leg lariat. You know, the old David Schultz thing. She jumped up, stuck her leg out, and sat on a fucking guy. Or on the girl, I should say. Well, Schultz usually did it to a guy. Nevertheless.
Starting point is 01:24:03 And then they went back and forth a little bit. And then Camille went for a tombstone and Stadlander reversed it and tombstoneed her. One, two, three. They beat Camille. I was like, what the fuck? And Chavani's like, oh, my God, this is a big upset. Camille was five and oh. Big fucking deal.
Starting point is 01:24:27 she just got there they beat her already it's well you had to know they were going to beat her when they were using her as a setup for the Mercedes Monet match for Statlander that's the exact problem is Mercedes is attached
Starting point is 01:24:45 to this and the only way I think it's safe to say you can't disagree that for the money that they have paid especially if what we are told is even remotely true that Mercedes Mone has been the biggest bomb in the biggest turkey as Jackie Gleason would say well ain't an egg with that one
Starting point is 01:25:08 that there's ever been but now they bring Camille in they could have gotten heat on Mercedes with Camille if Camille is established as the the diesel, the bodyguard.
Starting point is 01:25:29 Or big Bubba, instead of Big Bubba Rogers, she's Big Bubba Gump. It's already over. Camille. But she's got great shrimp. And you know what? She's standing next to the shrimp.
Starting point is 01:25:48 Mercedes. But Camille could have won this with Mercedes reaching in and goddamn doing something and interfering in Camille gets a win, but the heat still goes to Mercedes and Statlander, but nobody wants to see Mercedes do any fucking thing
Starting point is 01:26:05 or wrestle anybody. But if they were going to try to put some heat on her, then Camille could have propped her up. But now they're beating, and then she beats Camille to Statlander, and then Mercedes knocks Statlander out from behind with one shot with a belt. She's going to lay there for the next two minutes
Starting point is 01:26:27 Mercedes gets the microphone and yells at Camille, get to the back now! Like a whipped puppy. And then Mercedes says, if you want something done right, do it yourself. She's already burying the bodyguard. And then she... To do something herself,
Starting point is 01:26:49 she pulled Statlander's head up, showed her the belt, and then dropped it. And then the music played and she stood there doing nothing. which is what she's good at. But again, Camille 5 and 0, well, goddamn until she was 25 or 30 and 0 then, they shouldn't have a goddamn match with her and somebody they don't want her to beat. Do you have any idea how many and O guys and girls used to be in the wrestling business
Starting point is 01:27:23 when they brought them in and put them on television to get them over? No, and again, they're doing some of the things now that, you would see maybe with like a Sean and Diesel after a couple of years. They've been together for weeks. Yes. And they're already doing all these things. Diesel didn't lose for a long time. Diesel wasn't just losing matches to set up people for Sean right away.
Starting point is 01:27:46 Or China. So it's ridiculous that, I mean, they took all the, whatever Camille was supposed to bring, they kind of took all of that away because of the way they've been. booked her. So now she's just a big girl standing there at Mercedes. She's not a threat. She can lose matches. And Statlander was as big as she was. And Mercedes... After Queen Amanata, it's two weeks in a row. They put Camille in there with women that were as big if not taller than her. And also, Mercedes is not even particularly confident in her now, telling her off. So, and remember, I said then the job girls have been pushing her around. So
Starting point is 01:28:31 that was a chance to make something out of Mercedes because it's if she wasn't coming off as such an entitled bitch that actually believes she's over I would feel embarrassed for her at how over she's not but she's got nothing but problems Mercedes
Starting point is 01:28:54 for all that money she got paid from Tony did you hear about her financial issues I don't have any idea what you're talking about, no. She overdrew her account at the sperm bank. Anyway, so we're going to move on now. That's a good idea. That's a really good idea. Let's move on from the sperm bank.
Starting point is 01:29:19 What's next on the show, Jim? Well, boy, I'll tell you what, some testosterone, thankfully. We got the main event with swerve, Strickland, with Prince Nonna, against Shelton Benjamin with MVP. and this was not only one of the better swerve matches I've seen, but the only thing actually worth watching on this television program. And again, except I'm not happy about the timing of the booking with what they did with the finish here,
Starting point is 01:29:52 and they do actual rotten finishes, not in terms of who's winning or losing, but how it happens. but it appears for most of this that once again Shelton and MVP are agenting producing their own stuff here because this was a wrestling match followed by a wrestling angle which is out of place on this show and it was perpetrated by grown adult men and swerve as I predicted was kept away from his worst instincts and his leaping and as
Starting point is 01:30:29 Athletics and et cetera didn't get too fancy for the sake of being cute, but instead was a response to a more physical guy that was dominating him, so he had to use his speed and his inventiveness. And that's when this shit works. And again, Shelton, he out-wrestles the guy, so swerve has to be a little quicker. And Shelton gives him a belly-to-belly over the top rope to the floor, but swerve gets an arm lock and scissors it around the ring post. And when Shelton opens up and starts manhandling swerve,
Starting point is 01:31:07 finally he'll get hope spots, swerve will, from underneath, but then he'll get suplexed on his ass again. And then 10 o'clock came, they were almost in break. They came back from the break right at 10 o'clock. Of course, they're going overtime. and again, I don't know why they're putting the best thing on the show at the end of the show where the fewest people will see it, but nevertheless, that's what they did.
Starting point is 01:31:35 When Swerve made his comeback, did you notice that he didn't have the people with his comeback? Did you, do you know why? Well, I actually thought they had a problem getting the people into the match, or at least getting them to make noise throughout the whole match, but why? here. Well, if anybody wants to go back and look at it, when Swerve finally opened up with his comeback, I mean, he hit a kind of a missile drop kick off the fucking top rope to the back of Shelton's head and he did some other stuff. But what he does is not a good baby face comeback. It's a good series of moves to do in the match. But a baby face comeback needs more. A baby face comeback needs
Starting point is 01:32:18 momentum. It needs him to be cooking. It needs to kick it into high gear. This is where the heel becomes a ping pong ball and starts bumping. And everything that Swerve did, he was doing a fancy move, but it took a little bit to set it up. Like he's got to do something to Shelton where Shelton is sitting there and then Swerve has to run to the buckle and then jump off and hit him with an elbow in the back of the head. The swerve is taking the big bumps.
Starting point is 01:32:50 Everything he did in the comeback either took a couple of seconds to set up or gave Shelton no bump to take. So, because the baby face was doing the pretty stuff. In the comeback, the ideal baby face comeback is he stands in the middle of the ring and the heel feeds him. And the heel bumps a fuck out of, you know, off of him.
Starting point is 01:33:18 and the momentum. You know, I see guys, they'll make a tag and they'll punch a guy two or three times to back him up into the ropes and they'll shoot him off and the guy will reverse it and shoot the baby face off and they'll duck and do that. Bullshit. You're wasting fucking time.
Starting point is 01:33:39 When a baby face gets a tag in a tag match or just starts a comeback because the heel has missed something, the people want to see him cook. They want to see him punch the guy out of face and him take a bump. Punch him in a face, he takes another bump. Now back him up, shoot him off, hit him with a fucking drop kick. He takes another bump.
Starting point is 01:34:00 Or give him a body slam. He takes another. What, bump this motherfucker and do it b'bbing, b'bbing, b'bbing, b'bbing, and then hit him with a big one. The guy can sell. The baby face can fire up the people. And then you go into your false false. finishes. But this
Starting point is 01:34:18 is inside the ring and outside the ring and this fancy thing and there was no momentum and there wasn't a heel bumping, bumping, bumping. And then Swerve tried to get at first I thought he was trying
Starting point is 01:34:34 to get a full nail snod and Shelton was fighting it. But then it looked like that he was trying to get some kind of abdominal stretch and couldn't figure it out. And then it just looked like that Shelton was looking behind him like, are you going to put a hold on me or what?
Starting point is 01:34:52 And finally, it would nothing, none of these things transpired. Shelton double wrist-locked him and took him down. And had the double wrist lock, but then Shelton was on the bottom, and Shelton had him float over and get a two-count. And he had him float over. He stuck, Shelton stuck his own leg in the middle of swerve's legs and kicked it up a little bit, like, come over here. to get him to cover him, and then Shelton took over again.
Starting point is 01:35:21 So I don't know whether Swerve was trying to put a hold on that he didn't know what the fuck, but anyway. Thankfully, Shelton is an experienced professional. And then they went back and forth, and they hit the big moves. And then suddenly, Swerve got a sit-down power bomb, did the double stomp off the top rope, cover, one, two, three? Again, seriously. I know they're setting up what we're about to talk about, but not even a manager spot to give Shelton an out.
Starting point is 01:35:59 What about if MVP had come up the goddamn bullshit over something and Nana fucking got on him and Shelton went over to fucking save his goddamn manager, boom, and nails Nana and then turns around and gets the fucking boot or whatever. But again, all they do is, flat finishes.
Starting point is 01:36:20 I'm sorry, at this point, it was too soon to beat Shelton. He's just got there. But they're trying to set up the introduction that they're about to do. But you can still figure a finish to give the guy an out so that you've not damaged your one commodity to introduce your next commodity. And I've never seen so many people, baby faces and heels. Just get beaten. With no outs, no bitches, no gripes, no slip-ups, no
Starting point is 01:36:54 making a mistake or no capitalizing on a mistake. They just do moves until somebody wins with one. And it's a rotten way to do finishes. The fuck. Especially to someone you just brought in. Especially somebody you just brought in that's looked better than everybody else on the roster. So anyway, the point is, one, two, three, swerve wins,
Starting point is 01:37:20 and MVP gets on the phone at ringside. I'm not saying there's a pay phone at ringside. He gets on his phone, but he's at ringside. And suddenly as he's talking, the lights go out. And there's a big pop from the people. And then the lights come back on again and come to find out it was an accident.
Starting point is 01:37:44 And the fucking crowd went, and when the lights came back on again now and everybody's standing around and then suddenly music starts playing most of the lights go out again then the lights go out again but there's still a light over the ring because it's Bobby Lashley
Starting point is 01:38:07 and a production crew got their fucking eyes dotted and their t's crossed in the wrong fashion. But now here came Lashley, and he got a big pop. But I'm thinking, who did MVP call on the phone? Do he call the light guy
Starting point is 01:38:25 or the sound guy? Think about that. How did he call? It's one thing for Paul Heyman to call Roman Rains on his cell phone when Roman ain't there to report on the shit that's going on, right? But did he call Bobby Lashley, who's standing at Gorilla, said, okay, MVP
Starting point is 01:38:44 says it's time to play my music. No, turn the lights back on, the music first. What's going on back there? Yeah, where was Lashley that? I mean, was he near a monitor? Because, I mean, he got out there pretty quickly all things considered. Well, yes. And that's what I...
Starting point is 01:39:00 So anyway, if MVP had been for weeks calling somebody on the phone, all right, nevertheless. They have ideas and they just go, oh, let's do that. But nevertheless, Lashley comes to the rest of, ring, gives MVP a big hug, has a face off with Swerve, the people chant, holy shit. Remember, didn't somebody say,
Starting point is 01:39:27 oh, they don't want Lashley, he's to WWE or whatever the fuck. They like any name that shows up. No, they treated him like a star, those fans. And then when Shelton popped up on the apron of the ring and diverted Swerve's attention, MVP, or MVP. Lashley clotheslined him and started kicking a shit out of swerve and finally MVP
Starting point is 01:39:52 stopped Prince Nana hit him with the cane and then put the cane around his neck and was choking him with it because remember before they've just let Nana stand there with his dick in his hand doing nothing and MVP was too smart for that so they held MVP down and then Shelton gave him a super kick
Starting point is 01:40:15 or whatever And Lashley chokeslam swirv and put the hurt lock on him. And here comes the referees and the security, but the heels were doing the king of the hill the right way. The manager's got a blunt instrument he's hitting people with. And while Lashley's on swerve, Shelton is kicking the security guys and top roping them. It was chaos.
Starting point is 01:40:39 The baby faces were in jeopardy. The heel group in a believable way kicked the shit out of everybody. and there was momentum to it. And then MVP takes the microphone and all he has to say is he's standing there with Shelton and Lashley is guess who's back in business?
Starting point is 01:41:01 And the people cheered like crazy because this is something. This is men doing wrestling. It was better than Moxley's bunch eight weeks of TV in one fucking segment. Well, the other thing, too, is people forget that right when WWE started getting really hot again, the hurt business was still on top. Ashley was still one of the world champions.
Starting point is 01:41:28 Right when things started to, you know, bubble up and everything with the bloodline took off, that's why for so long we wanted bloodline versus hurt business. And it never really happened. And I think the fans treated them like they were the stars. You know, one of the things, you know, it was pretty quiet so you could hear stuff the, you know, the AED. That'd be a great job of micing the audience, as always. Yeah, you could hear a mouse pissing on cotton
Starting point is 01:41:54 and not building that empty. Batchamania, I think it was, put up a video where, you know, they played that and you can hear the referees as they're running out, just like running out. 90 seconds! 40 seconds! Well, it doesn't help when they're screaming, 90 seconds!
Starting point is 01:42:13 And one of the guys in the ring says, what did you say? And the guy in the third row said, he said 90 seconds. No, you know, the fans have treated them like, you know, especially here, treated them like main event stars and that's exactly what you want. Don't fuck it up. You know, it's going to be weird with them coexisting as badasses while Moxley's driving around town or whatever he's doing with his little gang hanging out by the gas station.
Starting point is 01:42:38 What do you think Moxley them do when they're not at the arena? Hang out over by the 7-Eleven and get some soda. What do you think they're doing? Maybe playing ski ball. And again, as you mentioned earlier in the program, why would Tony Kahn have to call the Jackson boys, those little delicate little things, who just ran like cowards or Jungle Jack, who is the most effete, bearded man I've ever seen? And their broken down Japanese paraplegic friend. Oh, you're forgetting the big friend. That's who it's going to be.
Starting point is 01:43:18 it's going to be led by Kenny Omega oh I forgot and gutless gutless Kenny no he has guts they fixed his guts they put his guts back in I think so right they don't remove his gut they didn't remove anything they just fixed it up they just they took them and set them out to the side it's like when you're doing one of those recipes where it says mix these ingredients set to the side
Starting point is 01:43:38 it's like one of those brain surgeries I read about in the yeah they take the brain out and they set it aside but why would you need to call those I will give Kitty his credit. He's the only one of the bunch that looks like he could whip any grown adult man, professional athlete or otherwise. But why would you call them when you say, hey, MVP, Lashley, Shelton, can you go stretch these stupid motherfuckers for me?
Starting point is 01:44:07 Mero, I'll let you out of your contract. Just take out these men. That's what he should do. He should call in Miro and Wardlow and Hobbs, all the big scary guys, look, whoever takes out Moxley gets out of their contract at once. And then it becomes like a mad race every week.
Starting point is 01:44:25 Who's going to take out Moxley? Meanwhile, they're all fighting each other because they're trying to get the Moxley. You're saying it's a wrestling version of it's a mad, mad, mad, mad, mad world. Yes, it's a King of the Mountain where the winner gets to leave. Boy, in that case,
Starting point is 01:44:39 there'd be some goddamn people stabbing each other in the guts to fucking take over from that. You know what? We got vehicles. We got people running around. around wrestling. The locker room's always dangerous. I think it could really be something. But that was dynamite. Yeah, and that was something. And that was something. And lots of people listen to lots of something, whether it's music, whether it's podcast, whether it's audio books,
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Starting point is 01:45:28 in his ear. Something in the way he plays the music that you don't want to hear. What? Well, I don't know. I'm trying to rhyme. Are you talking about me?
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Starting point is 01:50:39 slash JCE. That was a great sitcom. Aunt Fannie's family. Jim, let's get away from Aunt Fanny and let's get to Tony Kahn's family. AW Dynamite, the ratings, October 30th, a Wednesday night as always.
Starting point is 01:50:56 I'm waiting to hear the reveal here. I know nothing so far about the numbers. On TBS, 8 to 10, 11 p.m. Strong competition, the World Series on Fox, of course, and basketball.
Starting point is 01:51:12 And also there was news. There was news that day? Shit, most days go by without any news. And we all focus so much on the different TV shows that are causing the AEW rating not to go up or to continue to go down. What about the written word? What about the quality and the amount, the quantity of books that have come out just this year alone about a number of subjects? So I think AEW... That's true.
Starting point is 01:51:41 You know, we don't even talk enough about... that that people could be just deciding to read a good book well let's find out what uh happened on this wednesday night october 30th 8 to 1011 p.m on average a e w was watched by 628,000 viewers oh for fright night and they were scared when they saw the ratings that's down from last week what 10 10 20 000 somewhere in that ballpark uh last week according to wrestlenomics was $637,000, so this is down 1%, and it's also 3% off the trailing four-week average of 650. Well, their average does trail quite often. Where did we start and where'd we finish, oh guru of ratings?
Starting point is 01:52:28 And just for the record, too, according to W. TICs, the final numbers for AEW Dynamite Fight Night at the Wallstein Center at CSU, Cleveland, Ohio, 3,681, 10,000. tickets distributed. Holy shit. Last time in the area was September 9th, 2023 for collision at the Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, 3,181 tickets. So they were up 500 in number of tickets distributed.
Starting point is 01:53:00 That's right. You think that means they learned their lesson last time and they gave 500 more away this time? Well, let's go now to the quarter. And by the way, at least they got out of Iowa. Did you hear Cedar Rapids Saturday night for collision? 1,600 people. Actually,600 tickets.
Starting point is 01:53:17 It's not a guarantee everybody showed up. Why do they keep going back to Iowa? It seems like they go there a lot, doesn't it? I think they're hoping for Frank Gotch to turn things around when they sign him next week. Well, it's going out of the quarter-hour breakdown. This was compiled by WrestleManiaomics. Quarter 1, 8 to 8.8.15 p.m.
Starting point is 01:53:38 A recap video, the Orange Cassidy live promo, the Mercedes Monet backstage promo, and the start of Adam Cole versus Buddy Matthews, 708,000 viewers. Ooh, okay, so the Big Bangers had other things to do this week. They didn't come out in numbers. And again, the World Series game would have started around 8 o'clock.
Starting point is 01:54:06 Quarter 2, 8.15, 8.30 p.m. the continuation of Cole versus Matthews, the postmatch with Malachi Black, Christopher Daniels and Private Party backstage promo, 647,000 years. Jesus, all right, well, there went 61,000 people after they got finished looking at pockets,
Starting point is 01:54:32 but the good news here is mathematically they can't plummet off a precipice because they wouldn't be able to make their average. So this is going to be kind of a slow drip, right? Well, that's one of the good things, if you want to look at it that way. That's one of the good things about losing their audience, is that now the dips are never as big as they would have been in the past because there are less people to chase off.
Starting point is 01:54:58 So you're saying that it's better to not have people to begin with and lose them than never to have had them at all. Now they can only impress people with a big number. like 700,000. If you go the other way, every time the ratings come out, you're like, ooh, let's see what it is this week. Oh, no.
Starting point is 01:55:17 Look what it is. Let's go to quarter three, 830 to 845 p.m. An ad break. Adam Cole's backstage promo, the Kyle Fletcher confrontation with Mark Davis on the ramp, the hangman Adam Page backstage promo,
Starting point is 01:55:34 and then ad break, 651,000 viewers So they gained 4,000 back, effectively margin of error, I guess. We go now at a quarter 4, 845 to 9 p.m. The John Moxley live promo and angle with the Blackpool Com, well, I guess they're not that anymore, but with them, Orange Cassidy, the Dark Order, Action Andretti,
Starting point is 01:56:03 Leo Rush, Private Party, I forgot about him. He was out there. Just think of everyone's size, as I say them here again. Yeah. Orange Cassidy, Dark Order, you know, minus the girth of Evil Uno. Action Andretti, Leo Rush, private party, Darby Allen, the Young Bucks. Well, the Young Bucks are next, but Youngbucks versus Private Party also.
Starting point is 01:56:27 649,000 viewers. And they lost two of the four they got. And, well, they might pick some up at the top of the hour, because you, usually do that, or because the buckaroos are in the ring, they might lose more. It's a toss-up. Well, we go now to the big 9 o'clock hour, quarter 5, 9 to 9.15 p.m. The continuation of the Young Bucks versus Private Party, with picture and picture, 590,000 viewers.
Starting point is 01:56:56 Oh, good Lord, they lost 59,000 people as soon as it became obvious that the buckaroos were going to be in action. The Death Riders wrote off with the ratings. We now go to quarter six, nine, 15, and 9.30 p.m., the continuation of the Bucks v. Private Party. The post-match. The Jamie Hater Penelope Ford backstage angle. An ad break.
Starting point is 01:57:24 The Learning Tree Ramp promo. And a Mariah May backstage promo. 594,000 viewers. And same thing. Fluctuation, 4,000 people. We go now to quarter 7, 930 to 9.45 p.m. The Jack Perry Daniel Garcia elite backstage angle. Camille versus Chris Statlander with picture and picture and full-screen ads.
Starting point is 01:57:53 The post-match with Mercedes Monet. The Patriarchy's backstage promo. And an ad break. 603,000 viewers. They said 9,000 that staggered back in after the Buccane were off the screen. Jim, we go now to quarter eight. I remind you, we have an 11-minute overrun. How could I forget?
Starting point is 01:58:17 Quarter eight, 945 to 10 p.m. The conglomerations backstage promo. The elite Christopher Daniels Blackpool Combat Club backstage angle. And the start of Shelton Benjamin versus Swerve Strickland with Picture and Picture. 595,000 viewers. And they were right back down to where they were the quarter before they went up above 600 again. 11 minute overrun, 10 to a 10 to 10.10 to 10. 11 p.m. Continuation of Benjamin versus Strickland post match with MVP.
Starting point is 01:58:53 And the debut of Bobby Lashley, 615,000 viewers. Well, so they actually picked 20 back up. at the end. The overruns have been dying even further. So at least, hold on, the Bucks obviously had the lowest rated quarter hour of the program that was right in the middle of the show at the 9 o'clock hour, quarter five. And everything else in the second hour stayed between 590 and 603 until the overrun, at least bumped up to 615. So the angle introducing Lashley was seen more than anything else in the second hour, but still, it wasn't a lot of people compared to where they started from,
Starting point is 01:59:42 so they didn't wait because they didn't want to sit through all that shit. Hey, you know, I saw something. Let me see if I could pull this up. I think I saw it on Brandon Thurston's Twitter. Okay, here it is. According to Ressonomics, the Lashley face-to-face. with Swirr from Dynamite surpassed 1 million views on AEW's YouTube within 24
Starting point is 02:00:07 hours. Two other AEW YouTube videos this year reached a million views within seven days. The debut of Mercedes-Money and the highlights of Adam Copeland versus Christian I Quit match.
Starting point is 02:00:24 So two matches, right? In 23, nine of AEW's YouTube videos reached a million views within seven days, including Darby Allen dethroning the King of Television in his hometown,
Starting point is 02:00:39 CM Punk returns, Rick Flair and AEW, Sting, Adam Copeland, the usual names you would imagine of stars. So that was, what, two this year, nine last year, 2022, there were 32 videos.
Starting point is 02:00:56 Jesus. And he has a whole big list here of all the videos. So if you're going based on YouTube, because for anyone who says, like, oh, well, people consume wrestling in different ways, their YouTube numbers are not what they used to be. But this performed well there. It's because Lashley is a star. He's been presented like a star. Now they can just mess it up. Yeah, the question is, who's he going to work with on that roster where it's not just ridiculous?
Starting point is 02:01:27 But that was them there. That was them there. Jim, as we move on and that went pretty long today, but we had a good time with that, but we'll see how much more we can get in here today. Ria Ripley
Starting point is 02:01:40 apparently heard again and they did an angle on NXT that was rather brief, but, you know, they did something there. First, let me get your thoughts on next. I know you saw that rather brief clip, but Ria Ripley heard again. I'm just...
Starting point is 02:01:56 It was a freak thing before. Remember when she had... had the shoulder injury, it wasn't that the opponent injured her in a match or in an angle, it's that when Liv Morgan went to run her into the locker or whatever it was, and she ran her own self into it hard enough and with the point of her shoulder that it separated her shoulder. Okay, these things happen. But now, apparently, the story is that she has broken her or.
Starting point is 02:02:31 orbital socket by giving one of those freestanding headbutts to either live Morgan or Rachel Raquel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel Rachel I forgot about Raquel as you're saying that I'm like who's Rachel Raquel Rachel Gonzalez Rodriguez whatever the head butt she drove her own face into somebody and broke her own orbital socket and what the can we just have a moment's peace without the best female wrestler in the business getting hurt all the time doing shit to herself nobody else can hurt her but she's beating the shit out of her own self and that that freestanding headbut again ronnie garvin you
Starting point is 02:03:23 remember ronie garvin used to do those things where he would he'd stiffen his body up and he would jump up in the air and he would throw his head forward without out his hands at all. And he looked like flipper coming out of the fucking water. Bebe, be, beep, beep, beep, beep, beep. And he would hit you instead of with his dolphin snout with his fucking forehead. And I've never seen anybody else do that like that because it's, there is no margin for error. And it is very hard to get it over.
Starting point is 02:03:52 With these, they're leaning in and they're, because she's not the only one that does it. That's why I say they. I don't believe that Rhea is multiple people. But the freestanding headbuts now, they're leaning into and headbutting the pocket by the neck, like the jaw and the neck area, where especially with the girls when they have the long hair and they snap their head and the hair flies,
Starting point is 02:04:20 you can't tell that it wasn't forehead to whatever. But the problem is, with some of these girls moving it's going to be not a forehead to whatever it's going to be eye to shoulder bone or eye to collar bone or eye to jawbone
Starting point is 02:04:42 or nose to jaw bone and that's what apparently happened here so she ran her own face into somebody and broke her own fucking eye I'm not happy Brian well before we get to the angle they did on NXT. In general, what are your thoughts about head butts?
Starting point is 02:05:06 And there are lots of different ways to do them, and just about every single way, someone's been hurt at one point or another. Yes. Shabata's brain had to be removed, remember? I believe due to a headbutt. You know, all of a sudden it's swelling. Well, yeah, because they were doing fucking shoot head butts to each other as hard as they could, and his fucking brain swelled up.
Starting point is 02:05:24 His head was going to blow up. Danielson and Nigel McGinnis, I mean, that's some of the stuff you remember from their matches back in the, the day. Benoit, unfortunately. Yeah. Harley raced, the diving headbutt, junkyard dog, the crawling headbutt. What are your thoughts on how to use? Oh, come on. I would, I'd let Y.D. hit me with that crawling headbut every day. You're not going to get hurt that way. With the- when he had the fro, the fro kind of protects you, I would think. Yeah. The Harley
Starting point is 02:05:53 race diving headbutt and even when Benoit did it, that was more damage to the person doing it in terms of their neck, their cervical alignment. Harley Race especially was not potatoing anybody, you know, with the diving headbutt, but landing like that on your stomach from a high height and it's throwing your alignment off. I think that was more damage there. And Benoit, from what I always saw, put it in the pocket of the neck or the chest or whatever, again basically damaging himself more. But as a move entirely,
Starting point is 02:06:34 the headbut, great for the fucking Samoans. I encourage the Samoans to use a good headbut except for Jacob Fatu, who as I've said fucking relies on it too much. It's his nervous tick thing. Because the Samoans can legitimately fuck you up with a fucking headbut. For other people,
Starting point is 02:06:57 I mean, you know, sometimes it can be a desperation thing where you can headbutt of some bitch get him off of you or whatever. But when I see people just trading headbutts or doing them back and forth, I mean, Terry Funk had a way of making it entertaining and even he didn't go back and forth multiple times of bang, bang, bang, because you're running your fucking head
Starting point is 02:07:21 into somebody else's head. So really, a lot of times it should be a desperate, thing from a guy fighting back. Both people should sell it, but one should sell it more than the other. The guy that gave it shouldn't sell it as much as the guy that took it, but he should still register what's going on. But it's just, it's more of this, they think of wrestling, everybody in the business now,
Starting point is 02:07:48 they think of wrestling as fantasy in their minds when they're putting a match together. And that's their first mistake. mistake. That's the whole mistake. We never put a match together thinking about how cool the moves would be but it was a complete fantasy.
Starting point is 02:08:10 We put a match together based on can we do this and make it look halfway reasonable that we would actually do it. So now they're just fucking doing their head budding everything and do it everything else and they only
Starting point is 02:08:27 sell it whenever it was called for in the finish meeting, but now you sell it that time. And I'll sell it this time. Whatever. I digress. Oh, you digress and you send it back to me. I digress. Therefore, I quit digressin. The NXT angle that they did to explain what's happened to RIA, because obviously we
Starting point is 02:08:49 didn't pick up on the injury when it first happened, so they had to explain something. That wasn't really an angle as much as a, you know, 30-second video clip. You see referees running out of the building into the parking lot, which is a very dangerous place. And the camera is following them, and you see Liv and Rachel walking past the camera with a baseball bat, and they ran there's Rhea behind the car with her face all bruised and bloodied up and blood coming from her mouth.
Starting point is 02:09:22 And she's apparently been hitting a face with a baseball bat. and that indicates to me that they think she's going to be out for a while although the broken orbital socket remember when animal of the road warriors worked with a face mask in 88 that period of time yeah he had a broken orbital socket and he took like i think were they off a week maybe two to sell the injury it happened during the warlord and barbarian angle with the bench press contest.
Starting point is 02:09:59 And some way or another, animal really got, well, either he got his face run into the barbells, or the barbells got run into his face, but one way or another, he had a broken orbital socket. So they put that into the fucking angle, and he wore a mask. With Riggie Morton that time, I think it was a broken nose. But, so this is not something,
Starting point is 02:10:25 that you have to be out for months and months and months over, but these days they're more concerned with frivolous things like the wrestler's health and safety than trying to fulfill everybody's booking, so she may be out for a while. Well, that's the second injury linked to this program, so it works in that sense. I don't know who live in Raquel going to work with. I mean, I know they're working with Naya at Saudi Arabia,
Starting point is 02:10:56 but I thought that was kind of a one-time thing, and then they're getting past that. It better be. And the thing in next time, Liv needs to hurt herself, because Ria's got to get even here. She's too down to this little blonde bimbo. Should Ria stop doing the headbutts?
Starting point is 02:11:13 Probably. Is that a tough conversation to have with talent, or is that an easy conversation to have? Well, it depends on the talent. I mean, it should be an easy conversation, if the Booker walks up and says, you know what, it ain't worth it, don't do the headbutt anymore. Oh, I love to do the headbut. Don't do the fucking headbut.
Starting point is 02:11:30 That ought to be the end of it. Again, when did the Booker's instructions become the Booker's suggestions? I'm not saying they're going to tell her to stop doing the headbutt, but it probably might be a good idea until her face heals up. But no, if the booker comes up to you and tells you not to stop taking a headbutt, a shit in the morning, only take it at night, then it shouldn't be a discussion. It should be, well, that's disappointing to me. I like your shit in the morning. But since I work here and you're the boss,
Starting point is 02:12:09 unless I want to get my notice and work in another territory, I guess I'll stop doing, taking a shit in the morning. It's not that fucking hard. Well, we will stay on top of the injury beat and their Rio Ripley beat. We'll see what else we can find out, Jim. in other news this week. Other news? I remind you, last week we talked about the story that came out in Rolling Stone
Starting point is 02:12:34 about the writer's room under Vince McMahon. Yes. And then we had the lawsuit that was filed by the Ring Boys against Vince, Linda, W.E, and TKO. We talked about that. This week comes reports that Vince McMahon, and we had heard rumblings of this, that Vince McMahon is starting up or trying to start up a new company consisting of, if not entirely, predominantly people that were either let go from WWE or chose to leave suddenly in the last several months.
Starting point is 02:13:11 The word is that he's not looking at wrestling projects. Yeah, and that was the big thing is that no, it's not wrestlers, it's a bunch of these office people that, uh, that, were loyal to him that he's now taking with him to this new venture. To the venture that will be, for lack of a better term, a production company. At least the way it's being described publicly, the idea that it would be Vince McMahon using his billions of dollars to fund movies and television projects. The issue being, no one in 2024 wants to see Vince McMahon's wrestling product.
Starting point is 02:13:48 it was all the shit he did outside of wrestling that bombed worse than anything he ever did in wrestling. So the idea that he would suddenly get behind projects, let alone who's going to work with him, outside of his bubble of people. What are your thoughts on any of this? Well, but besides that, why? Why? He's 80 years old. In addition of the money he already had, he just over the last couple of years got $2 billion.
Starting point is 02:14:15 from the sale of all this stock. Why? Why do anything? Why not? You could afford to live anywhere you want. Live on the beach. Live in the mountains. Live in a penthouse. You can afford to go anywhere you want.
Starting point is 02:14:34 If you want to go somewhere, even though you're fucking 80 years old, you probably shouldn't get far away from a toilet. Go there. Maybe stay away from the penthouse. Well, from the penthouse to the outhouse. Help some people. Get a dog. Play with a cute little puppy.
Starting point is 02:14:53 From Turks and Caicos. Contribute to some charities. Do some public work. Why does he want to start another company? Did I mention he's fucking 80? I'm 63 and I'm about finished with all y'all, son of a bitches. I don't understand this. I'm not fucking 80.
Starting point is 02:15:14 I fuck 30. he it just i don't understand this and and besides that he's going to have to wait till he gets cleared before anybody he believes he's going to be cleared apparently but he'll have to be cleared before anybody will do any kind of serious business with him will he not and even after if he were cleared how bad would the negative publicity about any streaming service working with him be you know it would be a real pride. He would have to start up another WWE network. The Vince McMahon Network for Vince McMahon Productions.
Starting point is 02:15:51 And where's Kevin Dunn? He'll be there soon. And that's part of the thing. No, you know what? No, they say he has not been publicly outed Kevin Dunn as somebody that's being involved. I think he probably just wants to go home and say, fuck it, right? Because he's older than me. We'll see. We'll see where he ends up. We'll see where Bruce ends up. but the idea that Vince wants to do,
Starting point is 02:16:17 wants to fund and produce projects and develop projects outside of wrestling. Again, we'll talk about some of the projects that have never worked out outside of wrestling. But do you have a tough time believing that he's completely giving up on the idea of wrestling? It's not like he was a cinematophile. It's like, oh, now I can show everyone my love at the cinema. Like, that's not him. He just wants to be in some kind of entertainment. in some kind of content
Starting point is 02:16:48 creation or production or whatever, the executives that he's got that were formerly with the WWE until they just got sacked that are loyal to him are in that field. I think he realizes that chronologically, just scientifically, mathematically, he's not going to live long enough to do another wrestling,
Starting point is 02:17:16 promotion because all the top talent is tied down to contracts. And I don't think you would ever be able to talk Vince into doing something on any kind of small or regional or territorial scale. So maybe he intends, oh, if I start this production company and I maybe get some of the ex-wrestlers or former wrestlers or people that are celebrities or whatever, some spots, undertake or whatever that are still loyal to me, then maybe that's a way to stay in the business and start building some kind of infrastructure of something
Starting point is 02:17:56 and then see in three years or five years. He'll imagine he's going to live to be 150. If enough guys were ever become available or contracts were coming up and he had already started a company where he could nose around with TV networks and see if there was any interest, then maybe, but, you know, it's going to be a while,
Starting point is 02:18:20 and is he realistically going to live that long just because he thinks he'll never die? See, again, what does it say? I said this when everything went down. He doesn't give up. He doesn't just walk away. That's why I'm not going to presume he's done with wrestling or trying to do something with wrestling. Because even now, the federal government's looking after him, which caused the stay on the actual
Starting point is 02:18:42 looking after him? I don't know if they're going to be looking after him or not. They're looking into him, which caused the stay. Into is better than after. Well, this caused the stay of the lawsuit from Janelle Grant. The Ringboy lawsuits now. We never really got a full story of what the WWE internal investigation found out about him. You know, that's going to leak at some point.
Starting point is 02:19:04 And he's still not giving up. He's 80 and he's got all this money. And he loves going to Turks and Kegos and rescuing cats and dogs. But he wants to get back involved with. all the people he was already working with. So no, I don't think he's done with wrestling until until he's dead. Because that's going to be the easiest road of entry for him.
Starting point is 02:19:26 That's the saddest thing about the wrestling business. He may not be able to get the talent right away, which could create amazing reviews for us. And all of a sudden it's Vince getting anyone he could find and giving them, you know, old man Vince gimmicks. But I'm not, you know, again, he's still, he's starting up a new company with all the people from his old company, from the office of the old company.
Starting point is 02:19:52 He's trying to do something. We'll see. But who's going to work with them? Who's going to work with them? Who's going to work with them? Who billion dollars will buy a lot of fucking employees? Well, we'll buy any partners. I guess that's the question.
Starting point is 02:20:06 I don't think he wants partners anymore because that didn't do any good last time. You know, when people can actually not just suggest to him, but tell him things to do, he doesn't like it well. So, hey, real question, without getting into too much of a rant about everything. If Trump wins the election, does Vince get a pardon? Well, of course. Because what he's doing trying to set up a company, obviously, if he thinks he has a chance of getting a pardon, then he kind of is up and running in one respect right away.
Starting point is 02:20:38 Well, it's not like the lawsuit. He's already up and running. I mean, it's not only it's stopping. Well, but that's the thing is the, You know, you can't whitewash the PR, but he will not be in any legal trouble from the federal government. If they're going to put Trump in jail, then I'm sure Trump will take care of Vince in that respect, because again, billionaires love money and stick together. But, no, I think that's why they all want.
Starting point is 02:21:09 He wants better taxes. He wants all the little people to pay more taxes. That's why they want Trump. Or they want their pride. Trump's talking about pardoning people who tried to take over the Capitol on January 6th committed insurrection and a thousand of them have gone to jail already. He wants to pardon them. Think he won't pardon Vince for whatever the government has figured out Vince did?
Starting point is 02:21:32 They'll probably have a pardon store where they've got price tiers for what your offense is versus how much the pardon cost. Make check payable Donald Trump. Vince will write it out. and off they'll go. We're going to find out he's starting a wrestling company. He has Shane going around as his fucking agent, as his producer secretly having conversations with everyone,
Starting point is 02:21:54 Steve Taylor style. There you go, and he has pictures taken with everybody just to prove that he was there to the old man. We'll see what happens there. Jim, another story this past week I did want to mention here on the show, and I must admit, I don't know too much about this wrestler. I've heard the name Chris Bay. apparently was injured,
Starting point is 02:22:15 works for TNA impact, and was on one of their shows and a tag match against the Hardys who were now back in Impact, where he was somehow hurt
Starting point is 02:22:26 and paraproes... And by the way, remember, boy, nobody knows how to hold a grudge anymore. Remember when Mad Hardy was suing these same people because they wouldn't
Starting point is 02:22:39 let go of his broken gimmick? and his wife was cussing him and they were suing him and boy howdy there was and now they're back there can nobody hold a fucking grudge anymore well he's got bills to pay goddammit that makes you matter
Starting point is 02:22:59 makes you better able to hold a grudge motherfucker thinks I'm going to go back to work for him I'll goddamn turn to crime well the last few years usually in the hearties matches that we've seen it's them getting hurt In this case, Chris Bay unfortunately got hurt. It seems like it was rather serious from what I've read and reports I've seen. Any thoughts on this?
Starting point is 02:23:18 What do you know about this? Do you know who this is? Have you seen it? Well, no, I'm like you. At first, I thought it was Turhan Bay. Then I realized I've been watching too many mummy movies for Halloween. But no, we don't want Chris Bay to be heard. I don't know who Chris Bay is and I haven't seen him work.
Starting point is 02:23:34 But apparently, he was coming off the top rope and supposed to be caught in a Cody cutter type of thing or whatever flying twist of fate and he fucked his neck up and they he went down and didn't get up and apparently they not only called the ambulance took him to the hospital but they did emergency surgery on him that night
Starting point is 02:23:58 which is unusual even in these cases where people get carried out and now he's staying in where were they in Canada Oh, actually, I don't know. Wherever they were at, he's staying there. I was trying to find, I had notes here on this. Now he's in Detroit.
Starting point is 02:24:23 God damn, that's almost as bad as being in Canada. Yeah. But he's begun rehab and he's, you know, they're in Detroit and they've started to go fund me and people are contributing. But family, I guess, by his side or the notes, notes that so anyway
Starting point is 02:24:41 that's not good obviously and it ain't ballet and things happen but we talked about the diving headbut a little earlier that does more damage to the person giving it than the person taking it because
Starting point is 02:24:56 I mentioned not only if you go head to head with somebody but more importantly the neck and the back compression and bending somebody backwards in that motion if he was trying to do the same move and landed, you know, did his head snap back, in which case, you know, what kind of conditioner is vertebrae in, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 02:25:19 They're doing that a lot. Everybody does that move now. And Orton's got it over, and he doesn't have, you know, he doesn't have to fucking run and jump off the rope and fly into it. Cody's got it over where he does have to jump off the rope and fly into it, but the guy's taking it are as important as the guy giving it. And you can fuck it up and things can happen and it can
Starting point is 02:25:50 and we remember we saw Orton the other night on an NXT show that he guest starred on. The guy missed him entirely. So there's a lot of margin for error on this thing and it's another one of those things that people haven't been paying any attention to because they think it's safe, No, none of this shit's safe. You can make it safer.
Starting point is 02:26:15 But with as many people as doing this, in as many different matches, sooner or later, it was going to fucking happen, and I guess it just happened. Well, again, very sad here that he's hurt. He has a go-fund me that apparently the wrestling business has really gotten behind. I think about $80,000 has been raised,
Starting point is 02:26:35 and let's hope it helps, and he can get back in the ring. at some point. Jim? Brian? I can't really transition to him needing the sue. I don't know who he would sue.
Starting point is 02:26:48 But perhaps someone needs the sue, and we know someone who's for you if you need the sue. And if not, we know all the words to Sue City Sue. And it is sung by the vocal stylings of this man. Call Stephen P. News. Outlaw mud show for dues. Those are the rest.
Starting point is 02:27:33 That's right, folks. If you've never heard the vocal stylings of Stephen P. New with his West Virginia accent singing Sue City Sue, then you're... Well, you just haven't lived, but I'll tell you what, you'll be living large and in charge like Marge on a barge. When you are represented in open court by Stephen P.new at new law office.com 87750. Steve, because he will represent you to the promised land, to the pay window, to compensation, to recompense, to revenge, vengeance, and getting even. You know, a lot of people don't place the proper emphasis and importance, Brian, on a good old-fashioned case of revenge anymore.
Starting point is 02:28:22 You hear most people saying, live and let live, let's tolerate everybody. no goddamn revenge is what the world makes it go around and if you've got somebody you want revenge on as long as you can prove they did something at least halfway illegal just tag in Stephen P. New and he'll take care of the rest by the time he gets finishes with it
Starting point is 02:28:45 it'll be all the way illegal Stephen P. New and new law office.com 87750 Steve you were about to make a comment I was about to say, no, it won't be all the way illegal. Stephen P. New is the man for you. Well, no. A man of the law.
Starting point is 02:29:04 He can take something that's only halfway illegal, and he can figure out a way to make it all the way illegal to your benefit. He is a man of the law. He is a man of the cloth and a man of the law. Because he wears cloth every time he goes into a courtroom. He has never once given a final argument naked as a Jay Bird. Once again, Stephen P. New. Jim
Starting point is 02:29:28 Yes A bunch of the listeners have been sending this in We talked about a couple weeks ago It was news in the middle of our recording that Samantha Irvin Leaving WLE or left WWE Left RAW
Starting point is 02:29:39 This has been sent Apparently a user with a name I cannot read on the air On Instagram said I can't prove it But I know Rickashay is behind this Because he couldn't stay in the big league And Samantha Irvin
Starting point is 02:29:56 replied, I don't like announcing. I'm serious. Announcing was only supposed to be my way in. I wanted to manage. Maybe even become general manager one day. Oh, God. But WWE saw no other future from me besides announcer.
Starting point is 02:30:16 I love watching the action, but I don't love being an announcer. So a lot of, like I said, a lot of listeners have sent this over. Boy, boy, boy. Okay. And we like her ring announcing, and she's very good at it. And she's a personable young thing. She's full of pluck and spunk and all the things that young girls are full of.
Starting point is 02:30:41 But did she really think she was going to be it? Well, I started to say did she really think she was going to be a general manager? But look at what they did with Ava. But did Samantha Irvin really think she was going to be a general manager without being the daughter of the biggest star in the wrestling business? You know, this is probably not a perfect comparison, but it's kind of like what happened to Brandy Rhodes. Because she went to, I don't even remember if it was NXT yet.
Starting point is 02:31:09 I don't think it was. But she wanted to do something in wrestling. They were hiring. Oh, yeah, yeah, she wanted to wrestle. Yeah. And they made her the ring announcer, and that was it. That was the way they saw her forever. And, you know, she did a little bit, obviously, what she left.
Starting point is 02:31:24 They were never going to let her do anything except that. Then when she went to AEW, we saw our wrestle, we proved that they were right. Maybe so. So there's that. And that's what I'm saying here is we love Samantha's ring announcing, and she's a very personable young lady, but a general fucking manager.
Starting point is 02:31:45 Now she did say, remember previously we had audio, where she said that she was a big fan of yours, that you inspired her. You were so outrageous. at ringside. Perhaps this is more of that inspiration. Perhaps she's thinking about you. She wanted to,
Starting point is 02:32:00 Elle, I'm sure a lot of women think about me, the last thing they do before they close their eyes to go to sleep at night. I have that effect on people. However, she thought she's going to be a manager. Again, look at the fucking roster. There's one manager in the WWE, Paul Heyman.
Starting point is 02:32:21 Right? Is there another manager? Am I? Well, yeah, Scarlett Bordeaux, or Scarlett, she doesn't have the last name anymore. Well, Fox, she's just fucking hanging around. She doesn't speak. You know, Samantha would get more television time being the ring announcer than just wandering around like Scarlet. Paul Ellering?
Starting point is 02:32:42 I mean, there's not a job there. They have general managers. She's not equipped to be one. They don't have managers. And she probably wouldn't be a good one either. because unless she's cutting heel promos, why do we need another good-looking girl wandered into the ring with another guy for no reason?
Starting point is 02:33:04 So maybe that was a case of it wasn't fun to her anymore because it wasn't what she wanted to do, but I don't see how in the world that the WWE as a company would have wanted to do what she wanted to do with her doing it. You see?
Starting point is 02:33:23 I do, and you kind of feel bad. you know, you could tell I guess it must be tough of you do want to do something in wrestling and you're a lifelong fan and you get your way in and then you're told this is it. You're not doing anything else but this.
Starting point is 02:33:41 But you know what? I'm sorry, but you can also look at it this way. Brian Hildebrand was a lifelong wrestling fan and it was his dream to be a wrestler and he was a great worker but he was 5'4 and 140 pounds. So that was completely disqualifying
Starting point is 02:34:02 in the days of logic and reason. So what did he do? He tried to be a manager and he was great at ringside and doing the physical stuff, but he couldn't cut the promo. But then when he became a referee, he was the best referee in a business
Starting point is 02:34:21 because he was younger and more athletic than Earl Hebner. And he was definitely, I'm sorry, Nick Patrick was bigger than the boys. He was, in terms of being a referee that could also help with finishes, take bumps, and help green guys in the ring, he was the best in the business.
Starting point is 02:34:44 It wasn't his original choice, but it was what he could do better than anybody else to be in the business he wanted to be in. and Tommy Young was saying what Tommy Young started out as a wrestler in Michigan in 1974 and he didn't get very far or go very long but they had him referee and he had a talent for it and then he refereed for the next 25 years 20 years until Tommy Rich couldn't wait to laugh at the fucking match for a sociable cocktail and fucking hurt his neck
Starting point is 02:35:24 but it's not always what you want to do if you want to be in a wrestling business, find what you're good at. Well, that would have been great if I could have main-evented the fucking Mid-South Coliseum against Jerry Lawler. But unlike all the fucking talent on the AEW roster, I know when I don't look like somebody that fits that fucking part. So I was a manager and I was the best in the world at it. if you want to be in a field of endeavor
Starting point is 02:35:57 you can't pick the you can't pick the field and pick your spot unless you're a genetic marvel and all the brakes go your way you want to be in a business figure out what you can do better than what other people can do and do that the other thing too is that even if there were managers or more managers in WWE right now there's very little room for anything other than mid-card managers
Starting point is 02:36:23 because of half the top guys are the bloodline, and Haman's going to probably be with Roman, but there's no manager for the heels right now. You know, who's managing who and how would they be anywhere near the main event? I don't know. Gunther doesn't need a manager. Cody doesn't need a manager.
Starting point is 02:36:39 Punk doesn't need a manager. But that's, and I'm not saying this applies to Samantha, but in a lot of cases, especially now with guaranteed money, we're going to make this deal with you and no matter how good you are, bad you are, how great you are
Starting point is 02:36:55 or how much you suck, you're going to get the same amount of money, a lot of people just want to do what they have fun doing. They don't want to be in the main event and be on top and make more money because they won't make more money
Starting point is 02:37:11 really anyway. Well, in the WWE they do sometimes. In AEW, they're not. They're already making too much money. But people now would rather do what they want to do and be in the middle of the fucking card instead of adapt and be in the main event.
Starting point is 02:37:33 And the guaranteed contracts have caused that. When if you weren't in a fucking main event, you weren't making the most money you could make, it gave you more incentive to fucking work harder to get in the main event. All right, Jim, or a few questions before we get out of here. This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail. com from Zach
Starting point is 02:37:55 Do you think Dominic Mysterio is capable of pulling off a world title run in his current state? I think he would smack it out of the park if you threw it in his lap. Especially with Liv Raquel and the Irish dudes backing him up. But I'm not an expert, so I'm curious what your opinion is, Jim. There's also Carlet, or Carlito as he's known in English. Carlet, Carlet. Carlet, consider him. Love, Jim, and Harley.
Starting point is 02:38:27 But now that needs to be what Carlito says when he comes out on the prince. Instead of acknowledge me, consider me. Dominic, knock it out of the park. Oh, my God. No. No, because it would devalue the world title
Starting point is 02:38:45 and it would take heat off of Dominic, not put it on him, it would put heat on the promotion. Because Dominic is, right now he's in a tremendous spot where he is a chicken shit heel that can lose, can get beat up. And as long as he continues to do the thing with the girl and the group and the blah, blah, blah, blah. And because of who he is and how he's worked his thing, they'll continue to boo him and continue to fucking cat call him and continue to hate him. He'll have heat. if he started actually winning shit on his own much less even if he had help from the rest of the group and won the world title
Starting point is 02:39:30 then people would say oh that's fucking horse shit and they would be more heat on the promotion because that's too far that's too much and it might potentially like I said take heat off of him instead of put heat on him to make him the world champion that is totally not what they have built this thing, he has more heat now
Starting point is 02:39:56 doing what he's doing than if he was a singles main event champion and then you'd have to have all the other guys either change the way they work with him
Starting point is 02:40:12 to make him more credible or work with him the same way and then just do a fuck finish every time where he went over and it would mess with a thing they've got going very well right now. I don't see why they would do that. Does that make any sense, Brian?
Starting point is 02:40:31 It does, and I think you could probably understand why fans, not professionals like you, think that if you put the world title on him with the current configuration, with him having muscle behind him and the girl and her muscle, that he'd be a heat machine, but you're saying that's not the role for the world champion that's not really necessary and it would probably backfire
Starting point is 02:40:53 no it would it would bury well obviously it'd have to be the world title rather than the universal title or whatever that they would put on him they're not going to beat Cody for that and then it would devalue the world title that they've just been trying to put over based on the top main event guys holding it or fighting for it and it would just confuse the issue on the thing they've got going with Dom that works. Nobody's going to buy him as suddenly as a
Starting point is 02:41:21 legitimate world champion, and if they all helped him in holding the world title or retaining the world title, it'd be AEW-like. It'd be like indie wrestling for kids. Well, Jim, one more question before we get out of here on the topic of AEW. This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com
Starting point is 02:41:44 from Jesse in Memphis. Greetings Jesse Loyal cult of Coronet Member here with an interesting tidbit I found in an interview recently given by Brian Danielson. It was a lengthy interview that covered many
Starting point is 02:42:01 topics, including Danielson's thoughts about why he loves wrestling. He had this to say, the quote, The reality that I've come to is that I've always done wrestling that isn't necessarily for fans,
Starting point is 02:42:16 but kind of for myself because I love to do this. I love the act of wrestling. Jim has said many times that there are many more marks in the ring in AEW than there are in the stands. I would say that this comment proves it, but I would like to hear Jim's thoughts on this one.
Starting point is 02:42:36 Well, I kind of agree with Jesse there. Here's the thing. If you can have both, it's great. I always, when I was managing the Midnight Express, I liked the style of wrestling that they performed. It was the most fun for me to participate in as a manager. And at the same time, it worked for them, and we drew a tremendous amount of money with it,
Starting point is 02:43:10 and we were always used on top in the main events because of it. and nobody that we were working for, Dusty Rhodes or Bill Watts or whoever, nobody said we don't like this, change it. So that was very serendipitous that what we did best was also what we enjoyed doing and what drew the most money. But if you're in another position
Starting point is 02:43:40 where what you do best and what draws money is not necessarily what you like doing the most, well, that's unfortunate, but instead of doing what you like to do rather than what the fans like to do or what draws the money, sells tickets, or whatever, if you don't start doing that
Starting point is 02:44:01 instead of what you like to do at some point, the people that you work for would say, hey, don't do any more of this, do some more of that, because that draws money and sells tickets. You're having a wonderful time nobody gives a shit. So that's, again,
Starting point is 02:44:22 it's great if you become an actor and you never get a part that you don't particularly like. But sometimes you're going to, does that mean that you, against the wishes of the director or the producer, change the part to do more of the shit you do like?
Starting point is 02:44:45 Instead of that pesky accent that you're supposed to be doing, that you, That's what I'm saying. If you're doing this for fun, quit your job with a real company and go do Indies. But if you're on national TV, do what you're supposed to do to draw money. See, that's the feeling I had during the last several Danielson matches over the last couple of years. The pacing of it felt like it was more for him than it was the pacing that the fans were at or needed to be at.
Starting point is 02:45:18 I think it was just him doing what he wanted to do and what he enjoyed doing, but, you know, again, Danielson's AEW run could be looked at as a lot of things. I don't know about a big success. No, there were great bright spots, and I mean, he's over with the people. They like him. They genuinely like Brian Danielson as a person, not even talking about as a wrestler. The fans like Mick Foley, like a few other people. And that's why Brian has been able to get away with doing a lot of what he likes to do.
Starting point is 02:45:48 Because the fans like him, he does, whatever it is he does, he does it well. It's somewhat unique. And the fans like him as a person. And so he gets a pass and they're willing to put up with a lot of stuff. But the matches themselves, as you said, are the long, the goofy, the Japanese-style stuff that, you know, and when I say goofy, I don't mean goofy like he's out there with a lampshade on his head. just the goofy shit the Japanese matches do. The people in America don't give a shit about and don't understand.
Starting point is 02:46:24 He does a lot of that, but because it's him, he gets by with it. But if he was concentrating on, okay, I've got a bad neck and I've got these injuries and I'm, you know, nearing the end of my career. So let's go out and let's do 10 or 12 minutes and tears the fucking house down and yeah, and sell some tickets and not put any stress on my body. body, that's the kind of fun I want to have, then that'd be great. But instead he's still doing 30 minutes and getting dropped on his head every five seconds because that's what he likes to do.
Starting point is 02:47:00 Well, that was that. What do you like to do? I like to wrap things up rather quickly. No song today, but you know what? I do want to try something. Hold on. I'm going to go across the room. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 02:47:11 I got an electric thumb piano. Hold on. You got, well, I've got an electric middle finger for you. You want me to plug mine in first? Let's see if this will work. Well, ladies and gentlemen, I'll... The drive room is closed! That sounds like the same thing you were doing last time, but now with more wind chime.
Starting point is 02:47:45 Hold on, I'm coming back. I'm on my way. I'm almost there. I'm there. You didn't hear what I said just now? No, what did you say? I said how great that was, and we all liked it and wanted to hear some more of it. Oh, hold on.
Starting point is 02:48:02 Well, ladies. and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, the drive-thru is closed. We'll be back next week. We're more drive-through and send in your songs. If you have clever songs, that are actually about something we talk about, not just, hey, I wrote a song about wrestling, here it is. Or, hey, here's some AI shit I didn't create.
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