Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 367

Episode Date: November 11, 2024

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite & WWE Raw! Plus Jim answers YOUR questions, and talks talks about Dutch Mantel, Bruce Prichard & Michael Hayes, Marko Stunt's retirement, ratings, and much, much more!  Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello again, friends! And you are our friends. I may not sound great today, but welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through right here. On another day, it is indeed a day, and you are with us. I'm your host, the great Brian last. We're going to be talking dynamite at some point, some of the news and headlines happening in wrestling, and your questions. With this man, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett. Oh, thank you, Liberace. That was a wonderful introduction there.

The way you tickle those ivories. Oh, Jimmy, y'all. Well, that's my Liberace impression. It's always better to have two lips on your organ than roses on your piano. But nevertheless, speaking of, speaking of Dix, let's just jump right into acknowledging the results, the news of the news of the, the particular week here, because on the last program that you and I did, the experience, Brian, you know, we said we're doing this before the election.

We don't have any results yet because it ain't happened yet. Well, now we're doing this one after the election, and we do have the results, and I've got to say something here in public to you, Brian last, and to the listeners out there that I have never said before. Do we need a drum roll on this or hold on here? Hold on, hold on. Oh, I could do that. No, no, don't you think the drum rolls. Oh, where did I put it?

No, hold on. Oh, come on. What did I happen? Put your drumstick away, I beat you to it. Son of a bit. Oh, it's over on the desk over there. Yeah. This is what I've never said before.

Mama Cornett was wrong. Because I did say on the last program that whenever something would happen when I was a kid that was apropos, of this statement and that could be a variety of things, she would say, Jimmy just always remember there's more good people and there are bad people. Well, Mama Cornett was wrong and now we actually have statistical proof because not only did the citizens of the United States of America

not recognize that many people, including many people inside this country have thought that they were stupid, stupid. And not only did the citizens of America banned together to say, well, that's just your opinion, but they decided to put it down on paper, Brian. They decided that we basically, we took a big sheet of paper, we drew a line down the middle of it,

And we counted up. We say, okay, now how many people think that we ought to be run by a sane, rationally speaking, experienced human being? Okay, tallying up. And how many people are on the side of the stupid asshole? And a bunch of hands went up over me, me, me, me, me, me. Stupid asshole wins. not only were they not satisfied

with people around the world thinking that were bat-shit fucking nuts because of this guy but they decided to document it on they divined themselves we have stooged on ourselves but as they say

people get the government they deserve and I think I can say without fear of contradiction, we are all about to get what we deserve. However, I would like, on behalf of all of the citizens of the United States of America, to apologize to the rest of the fucking world, because I know a lot of you may be laughing right now going, oh, the Yanks or the Americans or whatever, the economy,

colloquialism is over there for wherever you are for us, they've elected the befucking phone again. And it is funny. If you're not here, it's hilarious. Except the president of the United States of America can fuck up the world. So I would like to apologize on behalf of all the Americans for putting you in this fucking position, too.

because, you know, we kind of set up the world order when we saved democracy 80 years ago, and now we're going to come and take it back. But nevertheless, otherwise, in apologizing to the citizens around the world, Brian, yeah, we pretty much, we're going to get what's coming to us. and I mean, you know, we're going to have to sit back and just observe as if the mind virus holds through famine, pestilence, plagues of locusts,

what is it going to take with this guy for people to see through him? But I saw somebody on the news the other night say Trump didn't change us, he revealed us. So I guess technically Mama Cornett was wrong all along. Even though she hasn't said that statement, obviously, in quite a number of years, they were here all along. And there was just not anybody that was low enough to take advantage of them all. every gullible group and every fringe fanatic

all bundled together makes more than half of this country so the question is well I'll leave you one more thing one more thing this guy's an 80 year old fat fuck that's eating McDonald's for 40 years even I got off of it so when nature takes its core If it's not, if it's within the next four years, we end up with J.D. Vance as the leader of the free world, who the fuck is this creep? And what the fuck is his problem? Just, he appears like the, I joke about the invasion of the potty snatchers. Invasion of the potty snatchers. Invasion of the potty snatchers. Invasion about that all the time with your buddy Vince McMahon, I understand. Yes, yes. We often do.

next to each other. The invasion of the body snatchers and the pod people, and they look like your family member, but they're not really, this guy skipped the part where he even looks like he's a real human being. So, you know, and surrounded by idiots would be this guy

as a leader of the free world behind the most powerful fucking nation on earth, who the citizenry of have just abdicated their responsibility as the most powerful nation on earth by allowing two of these Cretans to be in charge of it.

What can possibly go wrong? And I'll tell you another thing, while there's still free speaking outlets like ours that can't be censored, I'm going to tell you some more shit about these two motherfuckers, this one no good and another thing about this

son of a but they're never going to be able to shut us up and telling you that all right another banner episode of the drive-thru so far we had election talk as well as springery I guess I've got some breaking news

for you for me you no good sorry gum bump and sack a snake feces good looking wonderful honest noble person yes with integrity and humble also. That's right. You can't deny that, can you?

Last 2028? Well, I've got news that you always bringing in breaking news. Well, I've got news. Did you hear about the mysterious black balls? I can already tell you no. Before you even go any further, I could tell you no. You haven't heard about the mysterious black balls that, that was. washed up on the beach in Sydney, Sydney, Australia, down there, down under.

Where are you getting this news from? No, I have not heard of this. No, this is all over the goddamn news sources. Thursday, November 7, it was at 249 a.m. I'm just hearing about it now. But basically, the mystery has been solved. There were black balls. They were washing up on, apparently they take pride in their iconic beaches down there in Sydney, Australia. and these balls were washing up thousands of them and the beach people were closing the beach. The beach people. Well, the beach authorities.

You know, you've got to run for office there too. Every two years, you've got to, you know, run for office to be the beach authority, the beach board. You've heard a beach board. I grew up on a beach. I resent being called beach people. Well, the people are charged. You're a beachist.

You're a beachist. The beach administration. The people in charge the beach had to close the beaches, is what I'm saying to you. Seven of them, because lifeguards spotted thousands of these things washing in and they started trying to clean them up. And they didn't know. I thought he said there were two. What?

I didn't say there were two. I thought you started this by saying there were two black balls. No, the mysterious black balls. Have you heard about the mysterious black balls? Anyway, they didn't know what they were, but here was a quote, lead investigator, associate professor John Beaves of the University of New South Wales, UNSW for the alumni, said they smell absolutely disgusting. They smell worse than anything you've ever smelt.

and when the New South Wales Environment Protection Authority or the NSWEPA first warned Sydney residents to avoid swimming or touching the big mysterious black balls on October 17 after they were spotted at seven beaches

at that stage their contents were a mystery and local officials ordered a series of tests to find out what they were and where they came from well what they now they're they're called fatburgs Bride have you ever heard that term I've heard nothing about any of this they were many fatburgs apparently fat and oils and substances

which we'll talk about in a second conglomerate together sort of like the conglomeration you've heard of that in the ocean and they and they float around right Well, this was unusual and it had never seen this phenomenon anon before, but the fatbergs were made up of among others, among hundreds of other vile and befuddling substances. Here's some things that was in there, human feces, methamphetamine, human hair,

fatty acids, and food waste. initial testing suggested that they were made from unrefined oil potentially from an oil spill but further testing indicated a different more disgusting composition so there are congealed masses of fats, oils and greasy molecules that can accumulate in sewage noting that their presence highlights the issue of pollution

among Sydney's coastline I wouldn't want to be swimming with them, the professor said. But I could, okay, grease and oil and human hairy, but methamphetamine? Yeah, the blobs contained everything from fecal matter to medication and recreational drugs. Where the balls came from still remain a mystery. However, and Brian, I'll open the floor to discussion on this or anything else. Oh, great. in 2021, a massive 330-ton

Fatberg wreaked havoc in Birmingham, UK when it clogged a city sewer for weeks. What's the fuck? Actually, I believe this is some sort of advanced promotion for AEW coming to Australia and Grand Slam. And those are in black balls, those represent the black holes

of charisma that are some of the wrestlers on the roster. No, they got these promotions. beach balls made, but they were a fucking cheap material and they fucking, they melted in the ocean and washed up on shore. See, that would be good promotion.

Everyone in town's been wondering, one of the mysterious orbs that have been arriving on the beach. It's a failed project from the son of a billionaire. Let's get more about them. It was supposed to be little mini holograms. And they were supposed

to wash up on shore. If you crack went open, it contains an unsold copy of the video game. And all that, that thing pretty much self-destructed like a tape on Mission Impossible. I Google it, kids. Yeah, that thing sunk on its own now that I think of it. All right. Before we engage in any more wrestling frivolity, I just wanted to make sure that story got wider press. You never know what something's floating up on shore.

but a lot of people heard about this the past couple of days with all the other things going on this was not good news for wrestling fans and all of us who have been friends of Dutchman tells for ever and eons Dutch's daughter Amanda has set up a go-fund me

for not only Dutch but his wife Kathy and I don't know if people know or not but Dutch and Kathy have been married for over 50 years. It may be the longest marriage. I don't know. It has to be currently in wrestling, right? I mean, God damn, unless Bill Mercer still married, Bob Caudill. She has, he's definitely still married.

Who knows? But Dutch and his wife, Kathy, have both had bad health issues over the last year. and, you know, we think back a few months ago when Kevin Sullivan's family had put up a go-fund me for him, one of the things that he had been having trouble with was sepsis. Dutch has had sepsis been in and out of the hospital for that twice. But for all of that,

it sounds like Kathy's health issues have been worse and she's been hospitalized. And I'm not going to read their, chart on the air here, but there is a GoFundMe for, and Brian always ask you because you know everything about the internet, but if they just type in Dirty Dutch Mantel, they're going to get it. There's no Dutch impersonators yet on GoFundMe. Well, I'm pretty sure if you just go to Google and search for GoFundMe Dutch Mantel or go to GoFundMe and search for Dutch Mantel, dirty, not even needed.

Well, there you go. Well, it is in the title. Help Dirty Dutchmanter because he's Dirty Dutchman. Because he's dirty Dutch to all of us. To the clean folk. To the clean folk. But anyway, yeah, that's how the kids Google these things. But anyway, you know, if you've liked Dutch's work over the years,

whether it be you're a fan of Memphis wrestling or you're a fan of, I mean, he's been everywhere at one point or another, but I've, you know, obviously a fan of his work in Memphis, but also he worked with me in Smoky Mountain. When TNA actually had good moments, Dutchman was behind most of them. There you go. I worked with him not only in WCW and later in WWF, but then he's the one who kept me from committing aggravated mayhem

a number of times in TNA for all those years. So I had one of the funniest guys in the business. But anyway, I just wanted to bring that up because if you go there now, they've exceeded the original goal, but that's the thing is Amanda has basically been taking care of both of them to obviously the detriment of her having time to actually work or do anything else. So, and a lot of their, I don't know, I've fortunately never been in this position,

so I'm not sure how it works, but for those of you around the world, we have insurance here in the United States, if we pay for it or if we're old enough to have made, Medicare, but they've still got caps on hospitalizations. Brian, you know, if you know how that fucking works, you could chime in. But I, but point is, you're still screwed over here if you're old in the hospital, one way or another, generally.

So that's to try to assist with all of those things. He was the first guy you managed and you did the thing where you printed up the photo that you took of you guys together and then he destroyed it on TV as his way of saying I'm out working with you geek but what was your relationship like with Dutch before that how well did you know him from when he first really I guess with the first family in 81 was

a big push there for him oh well I had met him in Chris before Thanksgiving time of 1976 his first time that I met him because he came in and briefly he was partners with David Schultz at that point. And, you know, he was, I guess, at that point, four or five years in a business or whatever. And it just really adopted the name Dutch Mantel because, as we talked about before,

there was an original Dutch Mantel from the 19-teens and 20s that was a noted shooter and was a big drawing card and promoter out in West Texas that Roy Welch was influenced by. and you know when Dutch got into the Tennessee system, Agulis and Welch, etc., that's how that came about. But nevertheless, yes, he was away for a few years and then came back. Actually, was it early 1981?

He and Austin Idol were partners. And they had been in Georgia in a couple of different places. Because there's that great photo you took of the first family with them and Dream Machine and who's the fourth? person I'm forgetting. Oh, I forget now. Wait a minute. It was Dream. It was Jimmy Valiant.

Jimmy Valiant. That's right. Yes. Yes. Dream Jimmy Valiant and in Idol and Dutch and Jimmy. But nevertheless, and yes, because I'd taken a million. Dutch was one of the most popular baby faces after he switched and left the first family into Tennessee territory from 1981. through, well, my God, I left the territory and he was, you know, through 84.

And then I think they, he went to mid-south for a while, but nevertheless. And then when he came back, him and Dundee turned heel. Yes, but Dutch was selling pictures at one point, the equivalent of anybody except Loller, Dundee, or the fabulous ones at their hottest streaks. and when he first turned baby face and for was really working on top he was out selling

sometimes Lawler and Dundee because they had more pictures of Lawler and Dundee, right? But he was really over. So we had worked together and talked and known each other a bunch and then when we were presented with the idea

I'm trying to think what the fucking timeline was but basically you didn't find out what you were doing in Memphis until you showed up on TV on Saturday morning except if you had talked to Jerry Jarrett and or Bill Dundee the Booker at some point during the week and I was not of the status where I was when I was first being introduced

I'd done like fucking three or four TVs I wasn't calling to check and see what was going on right so dutch told me the week before he's and that's why we had time to do this shit and you mentioned the picture that's where this is going it's all going to tie together kids take the ride with me Dutch said hey they're going to do a thing where you know I agree to sign with you because when I first started managing after the Sherry Martel thing I had come out and I'd I tried to pitch you know

Lawler please sign with me and he laughed at me and made fun of me and Dundee please sign with me and he laughed at me and made fun of me but then Dutch since Dutch's gimmick was that the fucking gimmick baby face you know the kick-ass tough guy his story was going to be that he wasn't above

taking me for a ride for some money if my rich mother is going to pay him some money sure he'll sign with me and it'll take me for everything I've got right and again the people laugh at me, but it's a different goddamn concept. But this is what's giving me the grudge against all of the members of the baby face roster. So when I say, I'm signing a goddamn heel to get even

with all y'all. And it was Jesse Barb. We'll get that later. But there was so Dutch told me what Dutch told me a week before and we had a picture taken of the two of me and my manager's suit and him in front of my backdrop. I think Loller took it because, you know, he was the only one could use a camera.

And so I had a picture of us and then we did the thing on TV where, you know, I announced that I'm, you know, I'm signed Dutch and I'm going to be in his corner Monday night when he gets even with Jerry Lawler for me and he beats him for the Southern Heavyweight title. And that's, you know, that was the thing is I've told the story before. my first appearance in the Memphis Mid-South Coliseum in my wrestling career as a performer was managing Dutch Mantell in the main event

against Jerry Lawler for the Southern Heavyweight title. So needless say, they needed to give me a heads up a couple days beforehand so I wouldn't be shitting myself out there, right? So Dutch was sign with you, boom, and you go boom. And then we'd had the picture taken, so when the match comes, comes about on that Monday night, he has told me you just stay out of the way and I'm going to

take care of this. And as I remember it from 42 years ago, there was a double knockout of some kind and Dutch ended up on top of Lawler, but the referee was down. And I get in the goddamn ring and I'm dragging the referee over to try to make him count for Dutch who's got Lawler covered for the title. But when a referee, Paul Morton, Ricky's daddy, by the way, when the referee wakes up

and sees that it's, I'm in the ring, the manager, and there's a Lawler down and he fucking disqualifies Dutch. And Lawler retan, then God damn, and then Dutch gives me the fucking,

what the fuck, and I'm, oh, please, I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. And that was where, if you've ever seen that video, Brian, you remember the sailor hat,

the yachting cap. that I was wearing as the rich kid, right? Well, I was getting those from Caulfield's novelties here downtown Louisville. And in 1982, they were like $3.95 a piece because they were cheap as shit. And it had no shape to it. It was just white material, but the way they'd made shape to this fucking yachting cap but my rich-ass millionaire mama's boy is wearing is they've just stuffed like wrapping paper around the edges of it

so it'll stand up in the shape of the yachting cap, right? And I'm sweating anyway wearing this hat at ringside and I'm fucking sweating all through this match and now I'm getting in there and I'm pleading with Dutch oh please forgive me

and I'm just throwing, I'm taking my hat on and off to smooth my hair out and the goddamn paper came like you've seen you've seen guys walk out to fucking shit house with the toilet paper hanging out of their ass

I had like four feet of fucking look like toilet paper hanging out of the goddamn back of my hat I didn't realize it. So anyway, then the following week, the incident that you brought up, we go on TV for our live interview and I believe, I can't remember if I've already talked about

well, you know, Dutch, there was this charge at the liquor store and this charge for cigars and this charge at the restaurant and the bar and, you know, the hotel and the blah, blah, blah, but it's all worth it. And that's when I announced that this is a great, we're going to officially sign the contract. Because last week it was a trial period. We had a little, a few bumps in the road, but everything's smoothed out now. And Dutch is officially going to sign this contract with me. And I have even brought out a special gift that I'm going to give to Dutch Mantell.

it I open it up and it's the picture we had taken in Louisville at Lawler took I got blowed up to an 11 by 14 in this cardboard folder that said to my good buddy Dutchie Jim Cornett and the story behind that was again

the Dutch it buzzed me because see now I'm still I'm starting to manage but I'm also going to all the Louisville shows because that's where I'm picking up and dropping off all the pictures that I'm still taking because I'm just not at ringside, but I'm still taking all their

pose shit in the back, because who's going to goddamn we got to think of the children, think of the fucking picture sales, right? So, Dutch had buzzed me what we were going to do this week because he was able to talk to Dundee and talk to, you know, Jerry, whatever, and I think he was coming up with a lot of this himself. So I was neither a baby-faced or a heel, I'm just, you know, what the fuck is this guy doing here?

so I pick up Dutch and we ride down to the spot show on Friday night and then on the way to TV we go over what we're going to do the next day on Memphis Television live in front of 300,000 people. And because I've still, I've only done a few of these, right? This is a big, it's a big deal to me, as Lawler said one time to Lance Russell. So, and Dutch, we just talked about it, came up with ideas because they're going to, going to give us four or five minutes on the live television show. And the point we've got to get across is that I'm trying to sign now Dutch

officially and I think that it's all roses and he's going to then inform me that it's not and tell me the fuck off and say he was only taking me for a ride. But we got to make that last four or five minutes and make it interesting, right? So Dutch says, you know, I'll lay the premise down. You've got the gimmick, you got the picture, you got the contract, you got the pen. So, and you lay the premise down, Jimmy. And then I'm going to say, well, wait a minute, you know, because if we're going to work together, I need to know more about you, right?

So because that's how he starts to say, let's flesh out, you know, what your fucking gimmick is supposed to be. You're the rich mama's boy's mother is buying him into wrestling. and you're a nerd and you're a goof and you're unlikable if what are your heel qualities, right? And there's Dutch the fucking you know, Willie Nelson of fucking wrestling

when the cowback, not when he was 90 years old, right? But back then they were all cool. He's got the cowboy hat, the bullwhip, right? He's smoking a cigar. So Dutch says, I want to know more about you now, for example, like Jimmy, you don't, you don't like to smoke or have any bad habits like that.

Well, he's got a cigar in his mouth, right? I'm like, oh, Dutch, no, that's a nasty habit. Nasty, nasty, that's what I thought. And, Jimmy, you don't drink and go out and crowds and chase women. Do you? Oh, no, no, no. I try to be home in bed by 9 o'clock. And Jimmy, you don't take them steroids and them drugs like them pro ball players do

because something was in the news. Oh, no, Dutch, no. I would never do anything like that. that. And somehow he got me to admit that I like to get up on Saturday morning and watch Richard Simmons or whatever the fuck. And he just did the interview and I'm just, oh, no, or oh yes, and I'm making a fucking dick out of myself, right? And we're laughing and driving back thinking of this shit to do. And so then the people can see it coming a mile away, but I'm so fucking starstruck or clueless or a dumb fooless. Or a dumb thing.

fuck or whatever that I'm just oblivious when he says well now jimmy i'd like to take this contract i'd like to take this pen and oh and he had one line in the car he said he said i'm going to say i'd like to come out here on public television sponsored by exon or whatever i'd like to come out here on public tv and take this paper and this this contract and this pen and i'd like to take this pen and i'd like to take this pen and i break it in half and he threw it at me and he'd grab the contract i'd like take this contract and tear it in half and he threw it down and he said I would never work for you

for a million years and the only reason as different than me that Lawler and Dundee is that I wasn't above taking you for a ride you idiot is stay away from it and then he grabs the picture as he starts to walk off but he grabs the picture and he takes it out of the fucking thing that says to my good

buddy Dutchy and he tears the picture exactly in half and he takes his half and he gives me my half back and it leaves me sputtering but I spit bunny on you and Lance is laughing and the people in the studio audience

have gone out of their fucking mind and we did five minutes of fucking improv on local TV that we talked about the night before in the car on the way back from Covington, Tennessee or whatever but that's a way Dutch could

you know help teach a lot of the guys by just talking to them and say, well, what would we say? It was good like that. But anyway. When you look back on that, are you happy with your performance? Now, no, but for, you know, four weeks' experience, yes, you know, it was pretty fucking good. And maybe that's one of the times where they actually started seeing, you know, he's not fucking actually suck in here.

I don't know, because they started giving me a lot more to do shortly thereupon after that. All right, well, get well, Dutch Mantel. I guess that's the... And again, again, somebody who's helped me a lot at various points in my career with teaching me or working for me alongside me or just in the locker room with me. It's your show, though. Well, Jim, let's get to some of the big topic, some of the big news items that a bunch of the listeners have been sending over.

So they're unavoidable. We must discuss them. Jim, as you may or may not have heard already last week came the news that Marco Stunt has announced his retirement from wrestling. Have you heard about this? I saw something briefly on the social media, but obviously there have been other things going on the past few days, and I haven't really investigated further otherwise than I think it was either somebody had a headline, Marco Stunt retires or somebody said, what are your thoughts on Marco Stunt's retirement?

I didn't know that he hadn't already retired. Has he still been doing this type of thing since we've seen him? It hasn't been long enough since we've seen him, but it's been quite a while. Was he still perpetrating this type of activity? He must have been doing something somewhere, and we did see him on AEW programming recently with Jack Perry. Well, I don't know.

of course he was doing something somewhere. I don't know what where. Even if he was in an iron lung, he was goddamn doing something somewhere. Yeah, he's laying there motionless in an iron lung. But I'm talking about has he actually been imitating wrestling still at this point? Other than that appearance we saw from him on AW TV,

I have no idea. But we have a statement. We have an official statement. Oh, is that from his probation officer? According to this, the title of it is notes app text thingy. I'm so. I'm sorry, what now?

It's his notes app, notes app text thingy. Okay, is this code? Is he being held hostage? And he's, this is, do we need to get out our decoder rings and try to, what the fuck does that mean? I think he's just trying to sound cute, but here's

his message, to my fans, friends, and the wrestling community. But his voice wasn't that deep when he actually said this. Today I write this with a heavy yet grateful heart as I announced. No, no, there's nothing on his body that's heavy. They have to tie him down on windy days. Come on, we're a sentence in, hold on.

I write this with a heavy yet grateful heart as I announced my retirement from professional wrestling. This decision was not an easy one. Well, wait a minute now. Now, when we're talking about grateful hearts, now that he's got to the meat of the matter, everybody's grateful. This decision was not an easy one, as wrestling has been the biggest part of my life for so long, filled with moments that have shaped who I am today. That guy pushed my face on that I dildo in a fucking... I was about to... There have been...

People had been captives, have been hostages of fucking... invaders and not been forced to do the things that he's done in the fucking wrestling industry. It has been an incredible journey, one full of passion, sweat, tears, and unrivaled joy. Over the years, I've given my body up to professional wrestling. I am obviously not the biggest, and I used that, and I allowed myself to be battered. But man, did I love it? However, after consulting with my doctor, I was advised to prioritize my long-term health and stepped down from in-ring competition. Is this a recent, did he just now consult with a doctor?

Or would a doctor have told him that about seven or eight years ago when he first saw him doing his shit? Imagine you're a doctor, and this is your patient, and you walk in. So tell me about yourself, what's wrong? Well, you know, I'm a professional wrestler. The guy's like, what? How? Well, remember this thing?

This guy, he was doing the some type of sunset flippage activity, Canadian destroyer, whatever, off of a bar, an actual bar in a bar where they were having a show and hit a railing and broke his leg before. And wouldn't a doctor at that point have said, what, look at the state of you and what are you doing? Take up books. but let me continue here He can't pick him up accepting this reality has been one of the toughest moments of my career but I know it's the right decision

First and foremost I want to express my deepest gratitude to all elite wrestling, AEW Thank you for giving me the chance to showcase my abilities and share my passion with fans around the world That used to be code for like

I fuck people everywhere I share my passion everywhere I go. Being able to wrestle on national television was a dream I could hardly have imagined when I first stepped into the business. No shit! And it was AEW that made that dream come true. To everyone involved in AEW, from the production crew to the fellow wrestlers who became my family, thank you for believing in me and giving me a place to call home.

I also want to thank you. to Brett Lauderdale and Game Changer Wrestling, GCW. Brett, you gave me my start. And G. So he's the one to blame if anybody wants to pick up a pitchfork. And GCW became the launching pad for my career. It was where I discovered my voice, learned to embrace my uniqueness,

and grew into the person and wrestler I am today. You provided me with the opportunities that changed the course of my life. And for that, I will always be indebted to you, unless you ask for money. I added that part. To all the wrestlers I've shared the ring with. To all the wrestlers I've loved before. To all the wrestlers I've shared the ring with, you know who you are. That part.

And you prefer to remain nameless. so hopefully the fans will forget. It's such a weird way of putting it. You know who you are. Yeah, every one of you has asked me not to mention you and bring that memory up again. Each of you has played a role in my journey, teaching me lessons, pushing me to my limits, and sharing unforgettable moments. Whether we battled as opponents or stood together as allies, you all hold a special place in my heart.

You sound like he's on some kind of Lord of the Rings quest bullshit going on here with the... Lastly, to the fans who cheered, supported, and believed in me throughout every match and every show, thank you. Your energy, chance, and unwavering support fueled me more than you'll ever know. you are the heart and soul of this industry and without you none of this would have been possible oh so now we gotta blame everybody as I step away from the ring

I take with me memories and friendships that will last a lifetime while I may be retiring from in-ring competition wrestling will always be a part of who I am I'll be working a match with my pillow later today No. I hope to continue contributing to this amazing industry in different ways and to stay connected with all of you who made this dream a reality. Thank you for everything. And this is from Marco Stunt.

Look, I have never met this little fellow, so he could be the nicest, most polite little church mouse that's ever been. although from the way he was so convincing a little fucking annoying prick on camera one would think that it might lean in that direction but I don't know for sure but I have no personal grudge against this guy

otherwise then it was fucking embarrassing he was embarrassing to the business and it's typical that he thanked two guys, the head of garbage championship wrestling that idolizes the bank addicted drug robber and will put anybody... He fell out with them, apparently. He's no longer working with him.

Oh, I thought you meant he fell off the wagon. Well, maybe that too, actually. I'm not sure. Well, but the point is, they love that kind of outlaw bullshit, phony indie wrestling. Super fringe. Super fringe. And, you know,

they have fucking 400 people in a bar that are just loving this little fucking fellow doing all this shit while they're drunk. And it creates an atmosphere that these small-time, this guy Fort Lauderdale or whatever, these

small-time promoters that are marks themselves love this kind of side show bullshit. And then he thanks Tony Khan because Tony is the only guy ever with a billion dollars that has also had some kind of fascination with the smallest common denominator

indie bullshit wrestling and they put something like that on national television and not only make the business look bad but made their business look bad initially when they're trying to compete even then they had a when they initially came on the air AEW was still

trying to compete with the WWE who had an evil owner that people didn't like but it was still a goddamn halfway professional program if you didn't look at some of the content and it just was another amateur hour self-inflicted wound by AEW to have this little fucking trained chimpanzee interacting with legitimate wrestlers and as I believe we mentioned

after that first injury. We said, wake up, ding-dong. Yes, you're 120 fucking pounds doing all this shit, and no, it's not going to be smart, it's not going to last long. And wouldn't you know who won the pony, it wasn't that smart, and it didn't last that long.

So I'm not like, oh, I'm glad he's in pain forever, and must retire and sell pencils in the street. if he's however old he fucking is and he thought he was going to be a professional wrestler for the next 25 years or make enough money at it to retire, then he's out of his fucking mind anyway. So I would assume he's going to have another line of work.

So I'm not vilifying him or, you know, setting fire to him in the town square, but no, he was embarrassing to wrestling and it was indicative of the indie-minded shit that a lot of wrestling promotions have trying to appeal to the same small audience that they present on their programs that prevents the mainstream audience,

the much larger one, that are following the big guys to joining their little fucking group and their effort. It makes them look fucking... local cable and fucking funny. Oh, I'll giggle at that. Yeah, look at that bullshit. But they're spending money on the WWE

because they're not fucking broadcasting children wrestling. But all the best to him. All right. Well, Jim, let's stay on the topic of hot breaking news here today. A story that emerged and we had heard some whispers about it in the days in advance. and then here's the story. Dave Meltzer reporting,

uh-oh. Bruce Pritchard and Michael Hayes on temporary leave of absence from WWE. Long time WWE creative members Bruce Pritchard 61 and Michael Hayes, aka Michael Sites.

Son of a bitch, that's right. Bruce is younger than me, by the way. And look at the state of him and look at, he hadn't seen the south side of 200 pounds in a long fucking time, baby. Well, speaking of which, Michael Hayes, aka Michael Sight's 65,

are currently on temporary leave of absence, according to multiple sources in the company. Both are expected back, although the time frame was said to be indefinite. Indefinite? That usually doesn't mean they're coming back, but let's continue. Pritchard's absence is officially said to be

due to a family emergency, and we'll come back to that. Hayes' absence is due to personal issues. while both absences have taken place... Those are kind of interchangeable, aren't they? Really? Well, I think personal issues... A family emergency could be a personal issue and vice versa.

They don't send you to a special facility to facilitate your... or deal with your personal issues. Family issues sounds like it could be something... Well, again, we'll get back to this. While both absences have taken place at the same time, there is no actual connection between the two, and those in WWE emphasize that this is not the old guard being moved out

as people would speculate and that both would be back Pritchard is one of the key guys in the creative chain of command above the writing team and directly under Paul Levec he had stints on and off with the company dating back to 1987 Hayes a Hall of Famer as part of the Freebirds

a landmark group that set box office record. Oh, I'm not going to go through all his accolades there. Did his press agent write this? Has been with the company since retiring as a full-time wrestler in 1995. He had a short stint as a wrestler in 84 but was fired. He was a performer mentoring the Hardee's, worked behind the scenes as a producer. There was immediately speculation that something was amiss when James Gibson,

that's Jamie Noble, I believe, was listed as the producer of the bloodline match at Crown Jewel. Hayes, who goes back with the Anahuahe family to the 70s, having grown up and broken into the business in Pensacola, where the family was based at the time, was the regular agent for Raines' matches. Hayes would work with Paul Heyman, who was heavily involved in everything Raines-related

in regards to wrestling and the direction of the main angle. So that's the story. Bruce Pritcher and Michael Hayes Hold on you've buried a lead in there Michael Hayes since 1995 that's 29 years if you had bet anybody in the wrestling business any amount of money 30 years ago

that Michael Hayes would keep a job anywhere especially a goddamn corporate environment for 29 years Who would have possibly took that bet? That's amazing. Now, he's had a couple rocky spots, but, well, here's the, you know, it does seem odd that two people who try not to ever miss anything or suddenly missing things together. And, of course, there is the natural mistrust that we have for anything that the major corporations say about employees. especially ever they've been bought by other major corporations.

And let's not forget this comes on the heels of the news that Vince McMahon is indeed starting a new company with former employees of WWE. Well, hold on now, because I guarantee there is every, there would be every possibility that that could include Bruce Pritchard, but I don't know that there's any possibility that would include Michael Hays. Just right at this particular moment. the question is are they trying to have some distance

from anybody who had anything really administratively to do with the old company because of the various pieces of publicity have come out in the last couple weeks and the new lawsuit or whatever I mean, there's always potential there's something to it, or it could just be that, I mean, knock on wood, that it's not,

but that Bruce's wife is sick again, or that Michael needs to go away and, you know, rethink his caloric intake again, or whatever the fuck, right? But one has to wonder with the nefarious, nattering nabobs of negativity that populate to wrestling world. days. Well, that's the thing, too, as

Triple H holds on to control of the company, he obviously wants his people in place. Whether it's NXT, whether it's the producers and agents, everyone. They're his people now. He inherited Bruce Pritchard. And he inherited Michael Hayes got bombed and sang

at his wedding. I mean, he inherited these two guys. Yeah, and that's wasn't that when they made him, the first time they made him take that stuff, it makes you get sick at your stomach if you drink alcohol. That was one of the times, I believe, yeah. But they inherited Bruce, but it's more like he was, he was an adopted child,

and then the parents were killed in the plane crashed, he showed up on a doorstep. And here's this millionaire living his life, and suddenly he's got this delinquent child to care for. Well, and here's another thing, Michael Hayes, 65 years old. Why the fuck doesn't he just want to go back to Pensacola and sit on the beach? can motivate people even older than me? Because I'll guarantee God damn to you right now. I'm the farthest thing from motivated. There is no motivation in my fucking body right now.

What can motivate people to go through this shit? From here to Saudi Arabia and back again, at 65 years of fucking age. Well, you think you would think about it differently if you didn't at any point stop the grind? I mean, I think that could be part of it too. If you're someone who's been doing this forever, you may not want to stop. You may not be able to envision your life not doing this.

If I had been doing this as long as he's been doing this, I would have stopped it because I'd be in a fucking solitary confinement cell in either a fucking local rubber room at a puzzle factory or a penitentiary somewhere for strangling somebody. Do you think this is an opportunity if they bring Michael back, as they're saying at temporary leave? Is this an opportunity for him to reinvent himself and start dressing like a normal,

human man instead of a fucking clown. Is this a chance for him? Because no one ever saw Michael Hayes in the 80s and said, I can't wait till this guy's dressed like in a fucking zoot suit in 30 years. With sleeves that are long enough to double as a straight jacket. Yeah, I don't know where the zoot suits came from. But, you know, but hey, 23 skadoo. But no, if Michael came in in like a goddamn polo shirt and the khaki slacks and fucking dress shoes with his hair slick back sunroof top digging a scene with a gangster lean it would be you know he doesn't even have to do that

it could just be blue jeans and a black t-shirt I think that would work well that's what he wore 40 years ago to think about every picture you see of the freebirds he's got blue jeans cowboy boots and a fucking ripped up black free birds t-shirt on. And now he's dressed like he's at war with dolomite. Yeah. So maybe this is a chance for him to come back

and all of a sudden... You know, he hadn't been the same since he found Freddy on the corner. And Freddy's dead. Do do, do do do. You know, I don't know why this made me think of it, but I had to go to a trunk or treat for my kids. I didn't have to go.

But I enjoyed doing these things with my kids. It was trunk or treat where everyone in the community gets together and it's a big event and has candy. I think we talked about that last year possibly. So I go there and uh... actually, you know what? How many kids did you get in a trunk? Well, that, ha ha, that's very funny, you sicko. Listen, I actually was telling the wrong story. I meant to say it was the Halloween parade at the school that I'm thinking of. They start playing music, right? They play the Monster Mash. Okay, that's a traditional song for Halloween. They play the Adams family theme. Makes sense. The next song was Sweet Home Alabama.

And I was just like, what the fuck? No one's reacting. I'm the only one. I'm looking for anyone that will make some kind of weird movement so I'm like, yeah, they see it too. You're in fucking nose in the air, New Jersey, and they're playing Sweet Home Alabama. So then I'm thinking, okay, maybe even though this is kind of the beginning, maybe they ran out of Halloween songs and they decided to go with Skinnerd.

I really don't know. The next song was Thriller. So now I'm really confused. How did Sweet Home Alabama get in them? middle of this. But anyway, let's go. Did you ask anybody? I did not ask anybody.

I didn't even ask Suzanne because she didn't even pay attention to it. Why didn't you go up and come? Was there a DJ? Well, there was a parade. There were teachers and students and police officers, too, doing a parade. Where was this music coming from? I don't know. I didn't get close enough.

Wait, how did you not get to find out where the, how could you hear the music and not know, was it coming from a speaker? Well, obviously it was a speaker, but I can't tell you any. the information about the speaker or the chords or what it was hooked up to? Was the speaker on the float or was it just, were they just playing it in that location? Or was it as the float was going down or the people were parading? Was the music going with them? You could have gotten in that line and snatched somebody by the neck.

Well, on the topic of a parade float, let's now focus on Bruce Pritchard here. So Bruce Pritchard leave of absence. Again, he's one of the names that a lot of people. Ronda Rousey was very public about it. but she's not the only person to talk about it. She was just very public about it. Bruce is Vince McMahon's avatar. Bruce Pritchard was brought back to WWE

when Vince was looking for at a time where we now know Vince was out of his fucking mind. Yeah. He was looking for loyalists and Bruce was his guy. Wait, wait a minute, now you say it like this. He was out of his fucking mind so he hired Bruce Pritchard. Yeah, so he needed someone who wasn't going to say no. Well, both things just happened.

at the same time because I know Vince hired Bruce Pritchard at least twice before he lost his mind so those things didn't have to go together again Triple H inherits Bruce well yeah and that's the thing is that I don't know that Stephanie has been the biggest Bruce fan in the past when the creative

team was under her auspices or whatever Bruce has had numerous you know different jobs in the company over those years, it wasn't all on the creative team where they were butting heads, but they want somebody newer that's in their system with them. I mean, I don't even specifically know who that would be,

but I just know how bookers and or promoters are. And especially when it's a family generational thing, you know But it's someone that you know is a stooge for the former boss Well that I mean Who still owns shares That's

That is probably That's a more Well but a minute amount of shares In the overall scheme of what it was But that was even more pronounced In the territory days Where you didn't want As you said

The stooge of the former guy there Except now There's still in same family. So, you know, there's an element of that, but it's not as pronounced as it used to be when you just cut all contact

off with the ex-Booker or the promoter you sold the territory or whatever the fuck. But they still got to see Vince at Christmas and shit. But they don't have to see Bruce. That's my point. Exactly. That's what I said too. They want their own guys, new guys,

guys in their system, people that they want to bring up because again if Bruce is 61 then Triple H is also wanting somebody that's younger and swelter and more energetic and whatever and thinks the way he thinks all the way down the line instead of you know Bruce well Vince would have said well Vince would have said hold on

while I shit on your head well you explain to me Bruce is role too. According to this, what Dave wrote, Pritchard is one of the key guys in the creative chain of command above the writing team and directly under Levec. So what exactly is Bruce doing? Well, there are, remember we talked about this when on a recent show, I can't remember. In the last week or so, we talked about the writer's room and how many people were in the writer's room. I think it would probably be be worse. We talked about that, and we said that they talked about the unnamed wrestling people

who have been in the company a long time, didn't want to upset Vince, and we're doing inappropriate things that we guessed with Bruce and Michael Hayes, and now they announce both are taking a leave of absence. Yeah, that is a thing that's come up. But what I'm saying is, is they think that it was bad when Vince would often be in the meetings. I think, especially when Vince came back and was trying to sell this thing and probably didn't have as much time to fuck with other departments as he normally did, he wanted Bruce to be in there to shoot down the shit that he didn't

have time to shoot down and or bring back to him the shit that he would like shipped directly over to him and be that because Bruce could filter a lot because he knows exactly what Vince would say, want, not want, etc. and potentially he's doing the same thing with Triple H because Triple H has Sean Michaels doing NXT from what we understand there's a staff of writers for Raw and Smackdown do you think Triple H is sitting in there with 27 of them all the fucking time

he's probably got other things to do but he's probably also giving Bruce directions instructions A, they need to be writing for this fucking guy or don't beat brawnbreaker or whatever the doctrines may be that Bruce then takes to the assembled writing union over there. But it's so big, it's very confusing and that's why a lot of shit gets lost and a lot of shit gets just boring.

I guess that's kind of my question. other than being a stooge and other than being able to carry a paper from one side of the room to the other No, I would say no Bruce is very he's organized

and he takes here's the thing somebody has to fucking tell people what the boss wants if the boss ain't in a fucking room Bruce is good at that Bruce is very organized and detail oriented

and has notes and he also knows how to answer questions if you're asking, should I give Vince chocolate or strawberry, he'll be able to lead you in a direction of the right flavor, all that type. So he's serving a purpose as a goddamn, you know, go-between. His expertise is being the go-between between you and Vince McMahon. Yeah, that's what it is. The Royal U there, not just me specifically.

When he was in MLW, when he was in Impact, I think it wasn't the time. time. I don't remember exactly. I think it was impact at the time. Yes, and I fired him. Yeah, that's right. It became global force. I'm, I don't know who you talk to or what you hear, but I talked to talent and every one of them was, no one was impressed with Bruce in a creative role. Without his role, just being relaying Vince's stuff when it was Bruce on his own, people did not think he really had a clue what he was doing. Well, if, if, he, If we were still in 1994 with T.L. Hopper or whatever the fuck, that, you know, the underneath gimmicks. And then if he had a couple of main event guys that he could replicate some late 80s, WWF type of programs,

but that's Bruce's problem is he spent so much time working with Vince that that's what he's got there. except without the the overall big picture you know evil empire magnate it's very WWFish from years ago but I haven't been around him in a while at a creative capacity

well we will follow up on any news that we hear about Michael Hayes or Bruce Pritchard and of course if anything's wrong with any of their family members we wish everyone the very best and we take back anything insulting that we said Well, not everything, but Jim, as we move on, some Vince McMahon news as we just talked about him. Oh, boy. He's been trending for a few days on Twitter because a lot of people are expecting a pardon for Vince McMahon at any point after January.

But this morning, as we are recording, the TKO C-O-O, Mark Shapiro, hit an interview. Okay, now wait a T-K-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-Hibro. Mark Shapiro. Did an interview with CNBC, and Vince McMahon came up. Shapiro, Shapiro, TKO, CEO. And according to WrestleMania, the latest disclosure showed Vince McMahon still has 8 million TKO shares just under 5% of the company.

But let's go to this quote. Yes, he's a small-time player these days. Since we're talking about Vince, one question about Vince, he's not a part of the company anymore. He's sold out. You still hear from him at all? I had breakfast with him a few weeks ago, just to check in. Been a long time.

Haven't heard from him at all. Obviously, the series on Netflix came out. I wanted to see kind of where he was. By the way, he couldn't have been more cooperative. He couldn't have been nicer. I mean, he was a total pro at breakfast, if you will. It's a one-on-one get-together. But he's out of the business entirely.

He doesn't make decisions. He's not on the board. He doesn't opine. We don't consult him. He's got some litigation that he's working through. And frankly, he wants the privacy. and the time to work through it, which is great because in the meantime, we're going to keep building TKO and WWE and expanding the horizon, expanding the opportunities. And by the way, he's still

a shareholder. Not the shareholder he once was, but he's still a shareholder. But he's supportive of the direction WWE is going in and is gone. Couldn't have been more positive, but I wasn't asking for his opinion. Well, let's stop it there. Vince at breakfast. What are your thoughts? Well, first of all, he's a complete pro at breakfast. I mean, the way he ordered the eggs Benedict, my God, like he'd been doing it for years. Yeah, that was an interesting guy. He's a complete pro at breakfast.

Yeah. He keeps a professional at breakfast. I would never dare go to lunch or dinner with this man. No, but at breakfast, he keeps it completely professional. It was a one-on-one, most one-on-one professional encounters are illegal in that state. But nevertheless, And he says that, of course, he's completely supportive, but I didn't ask his opinion.

I mean, I didn't ask him what he had to say. I didn't give a shit, right? That little boom in at the end. He was ready, though. He was like, he doesn't opine. We don't ask him. He's not there. I know this guy, that's what I've said.

This guy is smooth because even Vince, everybody talked about how smooth Vince was when he was when he was younger before the slowdown came. and but he was always why he would throw in his his little phrases like and notwithstanding and nevertheless and things like that but this guy was just right out with it bang bang bang bang you can see he could sell you a

fucking car this guy old C-O Shapiro but Vince say hello to your C-O-O and then they pipe the music over the fucking... It's interesting. So he owns under 5%.

He doesn't have any voting power. He doesn't have a voice in the company. Yet after the Netflix special came out, Mark Shapiro still sought him out to, I guess fly to either Connecticut or Florida. I don't know where he is. And have breakfast with him. Well, but now we don't know that potentially

Shapiro was in the town or Vince was in the town to do other business. And one would think that one of these... Oh, yeah. I have business downtown. You sounded like fucking Kool-Aid man there at that. I'll be in a meatpacking district. Now, wait a minute. Meat or fudge.

Which packing are you talking about? What I'm trying to say to you is they could have been merely ships passing in the same town in the night and didn't fly across the country to see one another or whatever the fuck. The point is, is Mark Shapiro again? One of the Hollywood types, one of the big agents, one of the movers and shakers, they're always on the horn, on the phone with everybody, keeping an eye on everybody. Vince McMahon, as Shapiro was imminently aware of, has at least $2 billion,

and he's a guy that he's done business with. If you know a guy that you've done business with that has $2 billion, you're going to drop him a line every now and then say, hey, what are you doing and how much money you got type of thing? Just to keep it on where it is. So I'm not surprised

at all. They have to keep track of what's going on. That's why I'm not in this fucking rat race of chasing these billionaires around. See, I can just sit back and analyze this. Okay, so let's end it with this. Hypothetical, based on what you just heard there,

what we know about how much he has in terms of cash, let alone, you know, 5% or less than 5% of the company here, if he gets a pardon and he starts up, you know, he's doing whatever he is with his own people, do you still think we're 100% done with Vince McMahon ever appearing on WWETV? I don't think the pardon will make it. The pardon will make a lot of difference for Vince. But I don't think the pardon would make a difference from a PR or, since. And again, at Vince's age, and what's he going to look like in three or four years,

I mean, it may have opened the door somewhat a crack, but, you know, I don't think it's going to be still anytime soon, certainly not, because there's still suits being filed. And how long is this, and the federal investigation, and then after that, no matter what happens with the federal investigation, Janelle Grant's suit is still going to go forward. So it's going to be a while before he would be free of any kind of litigation that I would think they would want him on television

because then they might be thinking, fuck, if we put him on TV, what are we going to hear next week? See, if they put him on TV, it would backfire, I mean, it would backfire for a number of reasons, and I don't think they should do it, and I hope they don't. But if they ever did, it would cause people to instantly think he's involved at the top level again. Because no one would think that you would see him on that show if he wasn't doing something.

Maybe they could just have a wax figure of him made and have a Mr. McMahon's office exhibit and just have people sit in there at random. Unfortunately, right now he seems to be the living embodiment of the wax figure of Vince McMahon. That's right. We wouldn't be able to tell which was which, would we? Well, you know, Jim, maybe part of the problem is all those nights that Vince claims he worked throughout the night.

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Possibly it's just the sounds in your own mind. Jim, another story, if we can call it that, I don't know, was sent to us by a number of listeners, and several people sent different links. I have a few of them open here, and I'm trying to get a wrap around these issues. Have you been following Jake Hager's behavior on Twitter, I guess is the best way of putting it?

No, again, you know, it's been a busy news week. I haven't had time to hop on the Hager beat and find out, is he still around? Where's he at? What's going on with him? I think last we heard he was I don't know if he was released or they just didn't renew his contract but there was a parting of ways a while back we heard about

he apparently maybe the highest paid wrestler per match or per appearance in the history of the world because what he's been there for five years until he was released or escaped or whatever recently but he'd pop up like every six months he'd see him and then he was gone. And nobody was clamoring for him to come back. So what,

what's the deal? Again, I'm not exactly sure what started this. Apparently on Election Day, there was a tweet from Jake Hager. It was an image of someone voting with a comment, not his comment, it was attached to the image. Dad voting for Kamala

in hopes that one day his granddaughter can be aborted. And Jake Hader What the Jake Hader tweeted that and said Hope this triggers all the commies Oh no So he really is one of those all the way Isn't he?

And I guess he got some And what is a communist Have to do with abortion? That's a good point actually I mean honestly That's not one of the things they were known for Carl Marx wasn't sitting around talking about abortions No and the

You know the women that need abortions in Orangeburg, South Carolina are probably not communist. Well, apparently, Mr. Hager received some negative feedback. I love all the women's rights wrestling fans coming at me, because I'm against killing babies that are alive. Y'all are the same ones that said women needed a shot to be safe. It wasn't their body, Ben. He's one of them, too.

Good Lord. these verbatim, yes, I am support Trump. Yes. Wait a minute, what time of day or night? Is that listed as to what time? Was this very early in the morning or? It doesn't have a time. It just says one hour ago from whenever someone took this screenshot.

Yes, I am support Trump. Yes, I am support Trump. Yes, I'm against killing babies. I guess that makes me a racist. again no no these issues don't have anything do with each other because the women

would want to have abortions because they need them and it's health care are either white or black or any color of the rainbow and they don't have to be communist so what is he's mixing his metaphors a reminder chris jericho

to totally con would be a good idea to hire this guy But he replied to someone, I don't know who this is, they wrote, I'm going to ask you this completely seriously, what do you as a man know about a woman's body, and why do you as a man think you get any control over it? Like, have we considered all the uses for abortions? How there are medical, dot, dot, dot, dot, it cuts off there and I can't see it. Right. Jake Hager retweeted that. I know. Trying to speak some sense to this raving lunatic.

know a woman doesn't get to define murder because it's inconvenient to their life. Oh my God. So then someone replied, you don't know the first fucking thing about what you're talking about, to which Hager said, okay, you're the only one who gets information. Well, that's like the old Steve Allen line. Do they get your program in Cleveland? Well, they get it, but I heard they watch it, but I'm not sure they get it. What is he to?

Again, nobody's killed. killing live babies, first of all, which is ludicrous, but they're killing live women who can't get the dead babies or babies that are soon to be dead removed in time because the doctors don't want to go to prison. Do you think he's wearing his purple hat as he tweets these out? Well, he never leaves home without it. Well, this is where it got really interesting. A couple of tweets here, Jim.

Tony Kahn is someone who threatened my job if I didn't stop promoting. my Trump. He... My Trump. He, instead of is, it's J.S. He is a communist. Oh, my. I'll read that to you again.

Tony Kahn is someone who threatened my job if I didn't stop promoting my Trump. He is a communist. And the next... What does that have to do with... No, don't say this bad shit stuff while you work for me. where you're a communist, especially one of the most well-paid, undeserved jobs in history of wrestling.

He may have a point here without us even really thinking about it. Who has given away more of the wealth than Tony Carr? Well, there's another tweet here. Why do all these simpletons think that everybody's a communist because they want a decent, rational world? I don't.

And this guy has a wife, doesn't he? Didn't he have a wife or a girlfriend or significant other that was wandering around with him? She was on AEW a few times. That's what I'm saying. Yes. He thinks that way about her. Well, you don't get to commit murder just because it's inconvenient for her life or your life or whatever the... What a fucking prize he must be.

Well, another tweet that unfortunately he didn't really follow up on. I'll tell you that right now. Do you want proof that Tony Khan is a communist? Oh, yes, we do. And threaten me to be silent or else? Or else? Is Tony Khan threatening murder now? What is this?

Tony Khan can't tell guys no to their ideas. He's going to rub out Jake Hager. Yeah, the fucking pockets and fucking all the rest of the Lollipop Guild walk in there and come out with whatever they want and they've picked Tony's pocket. But Jake Hager, the MMA fighter, goes in. bow down or else motherfucker Hey QT I had one more thing I had to ask you Have you ever killed anyone? Could you just

Just make him disappear And then as a follow up to all of this I guess where the story kind of Well there was no proof then Given later And no proof There was no proof supplied Although it was promised about Tony Kahn being a comment

We're still open to seeing the proof If you're listening Jake Hager If you have proof please deliver it, we would give it an honest interpretation on the air. If you've got papers, now the documentary, is he a, or a Marxist, or a Leninist, or any kind ofist? Well, there's a wrestling company called Blitzkrieg Pro. Of course there is. I'm not too familiar with them or where exactly.

They are. Let me see if it says where they are. They are established... Apparently over the skies of London. Northern Connecticut Western Mass. Oh, well, they're the clothes. Jake Hager will no longer be appearing on December 14th in Enfield, Connecticut. On top of sponsors no longer being willing to work with him, we also just have to do what we think is right for our roster and fans.

We're going to get to work on a replacement ASAP. However, a few people that are signed to appear, and then he lists a bunch of other wrestlers, um, none, uh, none with the notoriety. I guess of a Jake Hager. Is that diejack on the poster? I'm not sure, but there it is. Now he's losing

bookings over this apparently. He's losing brain cells first, though. What the... Did he get drunk celebrating his, my Trump, his Trump's victory, and just blurt out a bunch of stupid shit? Or does he

act this way normally? And that's why Tony Kahn said, hey, quit saying stupid shit. or they'll be canceling my shows instead of your indie bookings. Jake Hager retweeted apparently an accountant VP Comics. You are a disgrace, Blitzkrieg pro. Such a disappointment to the pro wrestling community and to your paying fans by depriving them of an attraction they paid to see.

That is the first time that phrase has ever been attached to Jake Hager. All because you're salty and snowflake a moment. about real Jake Hager supporting the new POTUS, along with 71.6 million. It didn't really seem like it had anything to do with him supporting Donald Trump. It was just him running, running his mouth, running his Twitter like crazy, it seemed like. He was running something all right. Well, do you think that's the last we'll hear from Jake Hager? No, no, he sounds like he's got a Billy Jack Haynes kind of future.

I think we'll hear a lot more from this fucking guy. the line that popped me when I went back in when I was doing the editing on the show, the Valvenous segment, whatever you said, he's a conspiracy, now this is that, with a hint of Billy Jack Haynes. Just a touch. The hint. The hint is what

put it over the time. Well, you know what they say, CTE is a hell of a drug. Again, this guy had a job in AW for a very long time making a lot of money. He debuted on the very first dynamite, a lot of money. He worked for a He wasn't complaining when Tony was giving him the money.

He wasn't complaining then. Exactly. This non-patriotic turncoat traitor to America was taking money from a known communist. I think that somebody in the federal government ought to investigate old Jake Hager. I'm sure. Wouldn't that make him a communist? There's going to be a government agency to investigate citizens fairly soon. Let's get his name on the list.

Wouldn't that make him a communist sympathizer? Yes. Jake Khrushchev? He was very sympathetic to the communist, Tony Kahn. So there you go. What about Jake Kohloff? That would be better. Well, there's maybe a charisma vacuum that will prevent him from reaching the heights of Nikita.

What about just cough, just Jake off? Maybe that would be better. Well, we'll see where he ends up. Apparently Vince McMahon's hiring. So good luck, Jake Hager. Jim, let's get to some questions from the listeners here today. And actually, before we do that, now that I think about it, you did say you watched Monday Night Raw live on tape. Oh, now you change your story.

I want to get this out of the way because, you know, it's raw in Saudi Arabia. It doesn't count. Well, yes, yes. And that's a, when it opened up, they're in Riyadh. I said, they're still there. You think there was some delay of the plane? Apparently not. No, I mean, in this case, they actually had a Monday night booking.

I don't think there was a delay in the plane. All right, an emergency raw. Go back to the stadium. I'm just thinking maybe they said, hey, you can't leave just yet. Might as well stick around. But this was one of the, I mean, this could have been done on the telephone. I'm looking at my notes here. And besides the.

again, the reliable bloodline segment. The opening of the show was Liv and Dom and Rochelle, a young man's journey through Minsk. A young woman's journey from Milan to Minsk. Well, she stopped over in between Milan and Minsk. Nevertheless, Live is the voice. she screeches the thing, the Valley Girl thing. Dominic starts to talk, they play the music,

and outcome Jade and Bianca. And Jade and Bianca are not happy because, you know, they crossed paths last week. So you want a piece of the tag team champions? And Liv said, why are you guys coming out all angry? And so what we've got is Liv doing a promo and the voice of a six-year-old girl. and the whole thing is to set up that Jade and Bianca aren't really friends like her and

Rochelle Rochelle are old Rachel Rodriguez and what you know you're going to one of them is going to stab the other one in the back at any minute and Bianca says well we'll do this right now and then Pierce the referees came out and said no you won't everybody has to leave now and then that's when Liv told Jade to watch out for the knife that Bianca's going to stick in her back and Bianca slapped Liv and then Pierce had to say okay well then

in that case Liv you're going to defend the title versus the winner of tonight's Battle Royal and the tag team champions are in the battle royal and it starts right now and I'm like what the fuck and then we had 18 women in the ring for a battle royal all 18 of them were wearing scuba diving outfits from head to toe

it looked like Halloween at SeaWorld and this this was better than the first I don't say better in any respect this was longer than the first half hour of the show and then they paid it off with Jade and Bianca toprope the other two

who they were left with E.O. Sky and lyric valedictorian, but they hung on the apron so that Jade and Bianca could stare at each other to build anticipation like now they're going to have to fight, but they neither one should have ever thought for a second that they'd eliminated the other girls because they were still on the apron.

And of course, the heels came back in and boom and jumped them and interrupted it, so Jade and Bianca hit their finishes on the other two girls, and went to dump them out. But there was Rachel at ringside and grabbed Bianca's six-foot ponytail. It was trying to pull her out, and Jade was holding on to her and Liv pulled both of them over. And now bear in mind, Liv and Rachel were not in the match, and it was right in front of the referee, but the announcers made the point of mentioning it's no disqualification.

Lazy booking. just looks so bad when the referee has to stand there and stare slack-jawed because they've just they don't care anymore they've just well everything's no dqs so we can do whatever we want and then jaden bianca chase live and racheloff and the other two continued the match and did the longest most choreographed bullshit apron bit back and forth teasing their elimination that I think has ever been done in wrestling and then lyric fell off the end. 34 minutes, your thoughts.

Do you think this is too early to tease Jade and Bianca? Are they going to do anything at WrestleMania? Do you begin the tease now? Does that tell you they're not going to do anything then? I mean, what are your thoughts on any of that? They've got plenty of time for WrestleMania. And I'm not saying that it's even too early. it was just kind of blaselly done in that

I think maybe they just wanted to see if the people would react but this was Saudi Arabia they didn't react for a minute I don't know whether they got it or not and then they kind of started rumbling but the heels were back in and blah blah blah but no this wouldn't be this would neither be too early nor too late for WrestleMania depending on the build I mean they could do it at the Royal Rumble for

fuck's sake or have some climactic issue at the Royal Rumble. There's plenty of time but I think that Jade needs to be the heel because she's more effective that way but I almost think it would freshen

Bianca up a little bit if they surprised people because had goddamn hopping and skipping and smiley twirley hair thingy I've just Yeah, but you know what, that's worked so far?

My problem would be, can you see Jade as a long-term baby face? Not really. That's what I was saying. It'd be easier and more expected if Jade was a heel. But at least they wouldn't be talking like that to each other all the time. Oh, girl! Oh, girl! I don't know, what the hell you're doing.

Well, they do... It sounds so phony when they do all this backstage banter between the two of them. It's ridiculous. So that's why you want them to be broken up? No, I'm just saying at least we wouldn't have to hear any more of that. What else, what else, girl, did we have to hear on Raw? I'll tell you what, girl. Did you see the Wyatt video thing with Ms?

Oh, yeah, the kidnapping, yeah. They picked the right country, I guess, to film that segment in. Oh, good Lord. I didn't even think about that. Where can we do an abduction and a kidnapping and maybe have a bone saw around? I don't know. How about Saudi Arabia?

Taw, motherfucker, do a chair with duct tape over his mouth. Let's do it to Saudi Arabia. We checked the statutes. It's perfectly fine. Then Kofi and Woods were doing a promo in the back when all of a sudden the white video pops up and there is the Miz in a dark room tied to a chair with a horror mask on.

and Bo Dallas is off-camera reciting some kind of Edga Island Poe bullshit what would this Edgar Island po bullshit be over with and then he pulls the horror mask off and Ms. has his mouth taped and he pulls the tape off and Ms. is like you want the Final Testament you don't want me just what a gutless weasel right

you want the final testament he'd be the only one and he said it's all a misunderstanding i'm willing to forget all about this and again bow dallas does some kind of was that maybe a shakespearean reading and in a guy in a mask apparently that may be uncle howdy it was very quick ran up from behind and grabbed miss the end and i wrote this is the stupidest shit without a doubt that i have ever seen thoughts on that very out of place with the Triple H, the Pola Vec era, this kind of stuff.

This belongs in a past era, and I mean, I know it's mid-card, if that, but it doesn't fit in with the tone of everything else. It belongs in the Ed Wood era. And is it, in this day and age,

when people expect to be able to hear and see things clearly, is the treatment of the old VHS tape rolling and contorting, and converting or whatever, is that getting over with the young folks, or is that seen as avant-garde in some fashion? Most fearless people in wrestling,

the cameraman with Moxley, the video editor with Bray Wyatt's crew. Especially when he has to say, I'm sorry, Mr. Wyatt, but it looks like the video looks like shit. We're going to have to leave all that, all a fucking distortion in. That's my look. Leave it.

I mean, we really, that's the thing. And the other part of the problem is, WWE received this and said, yeah, let's air it. Yeah. Should we hand it to the authorities? Maybe Tuesday. Let's air it on Monday. As soon as we air it, we're going to immediately send it over to the police

because that guy looks like he needs some fucking help. Please help me. Call police. Anyway, so that was that. And then the new day wrestled the War Vikings. And the War Vikings won. and son of a gun we were at nine o'clock that was the first hour

so Sammy came to the ring Sammy Zane at the nine o'clock hour and the people love him and he spoke to them and their language their native tongue what is it Saudi Arabianese or what language do they speak over there? You know I'm not sure

I'm not sure possibly more please help me don't saw my head on No, no, I have a family. No, let me go. Think of the children. Yeah, that's the kind of language they speak. But anyway, and then he said in English, that's why I know what he said, that he was proud to come out before his people and speak their language.

French Canadian? French and Montreal? What language exactly? That was like, wait a minute, you're happy to come out before all you French Canadians? and we established before and I've forgotten because it's confusing and it all revolves around religion so I don't care to begin with but Sammy was on the outs over there

he couldn't go over there because the people that were running the place were mad at his people but now they're not mad at his people anymore and his people are your people and your people are our people and we're all people. And the checks cash. And the checks cash. So then suddenly Jay's music interrupted, and the crowd went nuts.

And here comes Jay, and he's over. And Jay tells Sammy thank you for helping me at Crown Jewel, you know, and I appreciate what you did for me, ooze, and blah, blah, blah, and I've got to ask you, was it an accident when you kicked Roman Raines in the face? and see that is going to be that's the thing that's the bone of contention was it an accident when they shot Marvin in the face I'm sorry it's a wrong movie was it an accident when he kicked Roman Rains in the face

my man you shot Marvin in the fucking face all Sammy had to say was don't you a peacock go back and watch the footage as clear as day it was an accident well he was standing in the fucking ring at the time but nevertheless so then when he asked that question before Sammy can answer, Jimmy's music plays.

And Jimmy comes in, pissed, because everybody saw it. Sammy Zane kicked Roman Rains in a face on purpose. And I'm pissed, and Roman's pissed, and you ought to be pissed too, Jay. And we can't trust this guy. So now, here, again, you know, the dissension is rearing its ugly head in the bloodline,

but Sammy bowed up at Jimmy You? You? That's exactly what he did. You of all people are trying to say you can't trust me. You're the one and then they went back to the angle and you know what it fits.

You brought me in the family to begin with. You're the one that kicked me in my face. You kicked Roman in the face and you kicked Jay in the face. So why aren't you the one? that we can't trust. And then, yes, you made bad decisions before.

But at Crown Jewel for a minute, just a minute there, it felt like old times where we were all standing together, fighting for the common good. Maybe Sammy's a communist. Well, that's what Valvinus said. Valvinus accused them of being, uh...

That's true because he stood together and fought for the common good at Crown Jewel. Shit, he's going to AEW then. and then they're all going to be a bunch of commies down there. God damn commies. But anyway. Said you were a commie too, by the way. Well, I'll tell you.

Comrade. Comrade, Cornet. I hate all them other fucking commies, because they're even comier than I am. But Sammy finally said, I'm not going to have my integrity and my morality and my motives questioned anymore. I love you, Jay, but I can't do this again. I can't go through.

it, I'm out. And Sammy's leaving to walk that aisle. And then Jay, Jay says, Sammy, Sammy, please don't go. Don't go. Don't go. Don't go away. If you leave, at least in my lifetime, I will leave in the next minute.

I'll have that one dream come through. Is that I could be loved by someone as wonderful as you. Please don't go. he said please don't go to Sammy did you go did you go away or are you still there Brian

hold on me remove these Q-tips that I stuck as far into my ears as I could hello well you know sometimes you can you can get a little tickle out of that if you go in deep enough oh let me try that yeah and it's as a matter of fact if you go right till you feel your brain and then go just a little bit deeper it feels

fucking great oh I'll let you know how it feels and let me know if you can still speak English afterwards but anyway so Jay asked Sammy said please come to SmackDown please come to Smackdown for the springtime will stay up in the mountains so far that we can't be found

did you put the Q-tips back in I guess he did so Sammy said please come to Smackdown Sammy to talk it out with Roman and the whole gang gang and Jay told Jimmy

that Sammy is family and the people started chanting Sammy, ooh so and all that type of thing the end. So another incredible dramatic reading, a remission if you will, a perpetration

of an Oscar Wild stage play adapted by Oscar Levant with a Hammerstein with Rogers and Hammerstein score it's an expensive crew here what'd you think

you know it was all right the only thought is it feels like you know it's like a reunion of everything from years ago but it worked then and so far so good now so you're saying it's deja vu all over again yes yogi that's what I'm saying all right well hey thank you boo boo boo so then we got Chad Gable and Dragon Lee but I forgot to pay attention

and apparently Gunther is given Ludwig Kaiser some tough love because Kaiser was doing a promo where he said that Cody got lucky and that was all it was but Gunther cut him off and put Cody over and said that night he was the better man either he said he was the butter man he said the eggs and butter business now, possibly bought a dairy, I'm not sure. But

Gunther had one good line about tonight's four way. You have three very capable performers and Dom. So even the heels give Dominic absolutely no respect. But Gunther said it's up to me to do better and he looked at Kaiser and he said we both

have to do better. So there's tension there and poor Kaiser. He's always getting pushed around. But then it was time for the main event. I swear to God, I have described this whole program. They could have telegraphed this in,

much less phoned it in. The main event was a winner is the number one contender match. That's a revolutionary thing they've never had before. Damien Priest versus Seth Franklin Rollins versus Dominic Mysterio versus Seamus.

And the entrances took 10 complete minutes and they still rang the bell with 20 minutes on the air. So, I mean, would you like a complete blow-by-blow, move-by-move, breakdown of this 20-minute long four-way matcher? You want to just let me fast forward you to the last five minutes where something happens. that sounds good. Okay, well, all of a sudden, Bronson Reed showed up

and grabbed Seamus and Priest and ran them into the ringposts down on the floor, and Cess saw him and they got in a fight, and Bronson Reed cleared the announced desk off, but Priest and Seamus got back up and got on Bronson Reed, and Reed rolled into the ring and starts beating up Priest and Seamus again, again they're so well it's no DQ this guy's beating people up that's in the match he's not even in the match and you've created a situation

where the referee just has to stand there and look at it and it's it's just but anyway he so for the integrity of the match not so good but to get Bronson read over it's good he splashed priest he splashed Shamus my God he splashed priest

and then he executed the splash on Seamus and then he splashed Seth through the fucking announce desk and this is great and then Dominic splashes Seamus off the top rope one, two and pre-saved him and I'm like what the fuck

I'm like Jesus Christ that was out of nowhere and I guess they wanted to give Dom something but then Dominic goes to the top like he's going to splash somebody and Priest got up and chokeslamed him or grabbed him in a choke slam and chokeslamed him one, two, three.

So it would have been great if Dominic had got the wind and the cheapest of fashions after everybody had written him off with that behind the back splash there but instead they went with priest but you can't have Dominic against Gunther. Well, that was raw.

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how much can one truly separate the art from the artist? I just want to sit down and enjoy something like WrestleMania 18 but I can't without thinking what a shit stump Hulk Hogan is. So Jim, whether it's Hulk Hogan

or whether it's even stuff outside of wrestling, separating the art from the artist? I mean, I don't, you know, I was never a fan of Hogan's matches to begin with, so it didn't necessarily hurt my feelings when he turned out to be a lunatic. I mean, there's some cases, you know, do you have a personal dog in the fight?

Is someone done something that offends your personal particular piccadillo's, or was it that, you know, he just turned out to be a general asshole and somewhat of a disappointment to the world at large. I think if you read a book or watch a documentary about almost any person in any entertainment or sports or whatever, there was something wrong with 75 or 80% of them at least that you could pick out as being something that you couldn't separate, the art how was it phrased the artist from the person or whatever from the artist yeah yeah but

you know try not to think about it at that time and of course you know i've tried to take my own advice i'll tell i loved the tv series fraser and i think it's one of the funniest fucking tv shows that uh that uh that i or comedy series that have been on the air and i thought oh kelsie grammar is fucking, he's smart and with it and witty and hilarious. And of course I found out he's a Trumper and now I don't really want to watch the show anymore.

Because that's, you know, that's the bridge too far for me. But, you know, I guess to this question, you're saying you can separate. I was good. Well, but I, but I, at the same time, I can, I can watch Chris Benoit matches

because I knew everybody involved. And at one point, you know, he wasn't crazy. See, I can't. That's one of my lines is Chris Benoit. See, that's the thing. Did you really know him beforehand or do you just know of what he did? No, it's the idea of sitting there and he was one of my favorites. I enjoyed his matches and watching stuff I enjoyed with someone who is a reprehensible human being who did awful things. It's hard. I can't, you know, it's hard to do.

Okay, well, and I can agree with that. And also because I don't want to say this the wrong way, but it wasn't like I was, Chris Benoit was a, I was a huge fan of his, because I was already in the business before him. And so it wasn't like I watched his matches for great enjoyment. I was,

this was part of my work. And I liked my interaction with him as a person several years before he went out of his mind. So I remember thinking that when everything happened. I'm like, man, he was friends with Hildebrand. You know, and I thought, I thought the world of Brian Hildebrand and, you know, there's little things like that that really fucked with me. Yeah, and see, that's the thing, you know, when you have experiences like that with somebody,

you have a different outlook on separating one from another or when you just, I always thought that guy was cool, but he's a fucking asshole. And it's like, eh. And so it just depends. Jim, another question from the Colta Cornette Facebook group, was sent in by Manny Rivera, if they ever had mania in Louisville

and Punk wanted Jim to be his manager against Roman and Paul Heyman, would he make a one-night return to work with people he likes at a big payday? Oh, good Lord. Where are they going to have mania in Louisville? By the way, at Redbirds Stadium where the fucking minor league ball team plays or whatever.

Kentucky Downs. There is no. No, Kentucky Down. What is it called there? Churchill Downs, excuse me. Kentucky Downs. Oh. I, that is never going to be a thing that ever takes place.

But yeah, if they want to give me a WrestleMania payoff to manage punk at Churchill Downs in Louisville, I'll do it. Big payday. would you do it anywhere else? Well, I might go as far as Bowling Green, but then they're going to have to start kicking in paying trans after that. I'm talking big payday. You're going to be a manager in the main event of WrestleMania. You'll be sending in promos from home for a few weeks shot by Hotchkis Featherbottom.

Okay, as long as I can drive. And hey, for a big enough payday, I'll leave a couple hours or a couple days beforehand, so I've got a pretty good range there. All right, I feel like we almost have a deal here. So if it's in Florida... Basically, we've almost... Well, not Florida now. You said if you could drive.

You said if you can... Yeah, but look at the state of Florida now. I'm not talking about the state of Florida. I'm talking about the state of Florida. All right, if they do... Well, it's WrestleMania we're talking about. So there's only limited locations. They would really...

You're not going to drive the Minneapolis. Well, now we've gone from Churchill Downs to goddamn Minneapolis? Well, no, they're not going to do it there because of weather. That was SummerSlam they're doing there. Well, nevertheless. Now, I'll go. Vegas. I'll go. So now the deal is almost done.

We just got to get the paperwork from the office. All right. Our next question, Jim, sent via the Calta Cornette Facebook group by Keith Oakey. Is he from Muskogee? Should Larry's Abiscoe have had an intercontinental title run after turning on Bruno? Oh, well, good Lord, that came out of nowhere. He's been thinking about it a long time. A long time. It was 1980, but he was. wanted to carefully formulate the wording of his question.

I mean, I don't see what the benefit would have been to anybody because, I mean, and you're the WWF expert, Brian, so correct me if I'm wrong, but number one, Zubisco was making a lot more money working with Bruno than he would have with the IC title at any point. secondly, didn't he leave the territory after the program with Bruno was over with because the, well, I mean, I know they got Hansen out because he had so much heat after the rematches with Bruno over the broken neck thing. Hansen told me himself that they didn't move him down the car. They just sent him out because they didn't want somebody to fucking kill him.

But Zabiscoe left right after that program, didn't he? I believe he was there through the end of 80 because there are matches with him in Backland and I guess the puzzling thing has always been why didn't Zabisco get more of a run after Bruno? The Bruno program did record business. Zabisco really came into his own as a heel promo. It was working.

There wasn't like a big feud with Backland or anything. There wasn't anything else. He was just gone. And I think maybe the thing that was the biggest asset to him also was the thing that could hurt him, which was the relationship with Vince Sr. and Bruno. And remember, Bruno left shortly after that, too. He ended up suing. Yeah. The lawsuit was settled in 84 as part of the settlement was Vince McMahon Jr., made Bruno a commentator,

hired David San Martino, and at the time, the rumor was, they were also going to hire Zabisco. and that never happened. He went to the AWA after Georgia, ended up marrying Vern Ganya's daughter. But there was never, for someone who did record business in the territory, for someone who did record business in the biggest territory in the country,

for money and for, you know, just fan population, they never did anything else with them ever again. It's weird. Yeah, and well, I mentioned Hanson earlier. Did Hansen ever do? go back. Yeah, he worked a feud with Backland.

That's right, he did. And what, 82-ish-3-ish? 81-82. 81-82. Yeah. But yeah, well, but you know what? That was kind of a moment in time. And I don't mean to disparage Larry's contributions, but could that have been

Ken Tim's as Bruno's protege that turned on him and clocked him? with a chair and they'd still drawn significant amount of money. Zubisco's promos put it over the top. Yes and no. Anyone working a program like that, a feud like that with Bruno San Martino in 1980, it was going to be big. But with Zabisco, there was the

legitimate, if you'd been watching wrestling for the last eight years, ten years in New York, you had seen Zabisco on that show. It was always said that he was from Pittsburgh. He was Bruno's protege. He was a big tag team champion. So it wasn't like here's this guy

here's Eddie Gilbert is Bob Backlin's protege and then he turns on him after like two weeks, you know what I mean? Oh no, and I agree with you. I'm not saying that. I'm saying because it was Zabisco and he was the protege and that was the angle it could have been anybody else if they had legitimately been the protege.

Zabisco did a great job with it but anybody could have drawn money in that position. The point I'm wondering is is either did Junior was Junior not a fan of Zabisco's, or did they just not think that he would work in the territory with anybody

other than the personal connection with Bruno who was gone and on the outs with him? That's what's crazy is that they didn't even try. They didn't even try a feud with him and Backland, anything with him and Pedro, and Pedro would come back for the Intercontinental title or anything. They never tried anything again with Zabin. Here's your one shot, kid.

All right, we're going to set a record business across the territory. All right, we'll call you if we have anything. else. Yeah, thanks for your contributions. We'll never see you again. All right, well, that did not answer that question, but we got something out of it. This next one will do. This one, Jim, was sent via the Culta Cornette Facebook group by Ken Brzezinski.

Who are some of the wrestlers you came up with who would be able to adapt to today's more physical style, and some who might not be able to? I think your classic characters like Hogan or Sting might not be able to take a series of chops from Gunther, but I do feel like guys like Brett Hart, Kurt Hennig, and the like might welcome the physicality of it. Well, yeah, and see, that's... Today, the style is not more physical.

The style is more dangerous. And there's a different style of offense that is involved. I mean, I, you know, I would routinely, he talked about the guys I came up with, routinely if it was Bobby Eaton and Ronnie Garvin or Wahoo McDaniel or whatever, in Fayetteville, North Carolina,

they were hitting and chopping and forearming and landing shit much more stiffly and safe places than most of the stuff you see on TV today from either company. but at the same time nobody was being thrown through, you know, furniture or, you know, taking these ridiculous bumps off the top rope to the floor or be diving. That's the real physical. When he says would they be able to adapt to the physicality of today, the matches and the

wrestlers were actually more physical than when he says like Hogan wouldn't have done it. Go watch Hogan's Japanese stuff. He took plenty of chops. Well, yeah, but then the thing is you can point out, you know, a guy or two in any company or territory, you know, after Jimmy Valiant got to be a baby face icon in Memphis and North Carolina, his, he could have elbow dropped an egg and it would have been fine.

And nobody was, you know, there were certain guys that, as we've talked about with Stone Cole, Steve Austin's mud hole stomp, they looked like shit, but nobody cared because he's over. there were guys that had weak shit and sometimes it was the top guy that he had to take care of but up and down the card not in any one particular company but in every company

the standard match was more physical more hard hitting stiff or whatever there's more contact with more force in wrestling in the territory days than there is now in the wrestling part of it And where the guys get hurt is in the diving and the furnitureing and the leaping off high things,

which was not done. So it wasn't even an aspect of the business in those days. See, that's the physicality. Gunther would be able to go back in time and work with Rick Flair, Johnny Valentine, Wahoo McDaniel, Ricky Steamboat. But those guys wouldn't be able to come forward and work with the Young Bucks, Jack Perry, Orange Cassidy. It works the opposite way. and the physicality of what they're doing is,

you know, I'm going to land on your head when I dive on the four people that are a fool. Yeah. Or I'm going to land on your head when you're laying in the middle of the ring. They do that a bunch too. So that's, you know, it's completely different things. And that's why that I disparage most of the actual wrestling match these days because that part is a shit that looks fake.

And the part that they're really damaging each other, with the dives and the furniture and the stuff, that most of the time looks fake too because it's so complex, you've got to show obvious cooperation to set the shit up. Or elsewise, you've just thumbed this guy in the eye

and that's the reason why he's laying on a top of a table for a minute and a half motionless. All right, Jim, our next question sent via the cult of cornet Facebook group was sent by Joseph Anthony. Jim's thoughts on if they should do a Survivor Series match, TNA versus NXT. I don't know whether NXT could survive that one in the ratings or not. Well, at Survivor Series, not on TV. I was just trying to make a pun, trying, failing.

At Survivor Series, you know, I can see them potentially putting, and I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying in any year's Survivor series, I could see them putting an NXT team in with guys or girls or whoever that they have pushed and that they're thinking about elevating to the next level. But I don't see featuring a T&A team which has a specific much smaller audience on your giant, you know, worldwide pay-per-view on Pacaque!

etc and you know unless they were just used as the NXT jobbers to put the NXT team over and then how does it really help TNA when four of their people

just got to shit kicked out of them I like they're doing a little crossover every once in a while on the TNA TV and or sending somebody back and forth or whatever but I don't know if it would be it wouldn't be a big attraction to anybody on pay-per-view.

It would be an attraction to the audience that's already watching the paperviews, wouldn't it? The really dedicated fans that know who these people are. Yeah, I don't think WWE's like, oh, if we can only pick up some of that TNA pay-per-view audience. Yeah. So, I mean, they could do it, but then I think a lot of their own talent would be like, fuck, I ain't booked on Survivor Series, and are these fucking

guys come? Jim, our next question from the Colt of Cornette Facebook group was sent in by David Melendez. If in the 1990s, Paul Heyman had a billionaire dad like Tony Con, how different would have ECW been?

How do you think he would have spent the money to compete with Vincent Bischoff? Oh, God, I... So here's the question, Paul Heyman, if his dad was a billionaire, willing to give him as much money as he wanted for anything. I do not want to try to have the task of getting inside Paul Heyman's voluminous head or psychoanalyzing him as to what he would have done with a billion dollars. I think he would have had a lot more top wrestlers under contract and probably would have

run a few bigger buildings and probably would have still done everything himself and probably would have still been late with everything because he was doing everything himself and missed all his deadlines and you know, probably that's the thing is a billion dollars you can do anything.

He would have certainly done a much better job than Tony Kahn slash AEW. It would have been a much better wrestling product. It would have got the most out of the least of the talent. But still would he have crossed the line and got kicked off of some network that he got on.

Or TV rights, fees were not a thing then like they are now. Would even Paul Heyman have said, well, just because I can spend $500 million to make $50 million back, does that mean I should do it? Well, you know, the one thing that hurt ECW, well, there are a lot of things that hurt them in the end, but early on they started losing talent to WCW and WWE. if Paul Heyman had that kind of money

you would think that you wouldn't have had Raven jumped to WCW right when they had everything going with him and Tommy Dreamer the Sandman jump public enemy I think public enemy may have been first actually well yeah but think about this if if Paul had a unlimited financial backer from the start

would any of those guys even have would it have made a shit if they left would they have been created or would have Paul just exactly would he have been would he have created them from indie guys because he couldn't afford guys that were national stars? So would it have mattered

because it would have it, would it have ever happened? It probably not. He would have, Paul knows talent. He didn't just decide these are the best guys in the world for me to get for my wrestling company. It was the same thing as me and Smoggy Mountain Wrestling

with a different geography. These are the guys that I can afford to get that aren't with the big wrestling companies. So if he didn't have to worry about money, he'd have probably had half the WCW roster and a couple of the WWF guys. But then, and you can ask me this in a second, but then to put an exclamation point on that,

just because he would have had the money to buy them, doesn't mean that he would have because Paul Heyman, even though the thing that everybody's always said is the drawback he had was he was a horrible businessman. He's still a better businessman and Tony Kahn in a wrestling business. So would he have overpaid for talent just to get him? I don't know. If you had had a billionaire father for Smoky Mountain Wrestling,

what's the one thing you would have taken, if you just had unlimited capital, where's the one area you would have dedicated some money? Was it just to get more TV? Yes. again, that's the thing is if we could have got on television in enough big markets, there wasn't another problem. So it wouldn't be like I needed a billion dollars.

In four years, we probably didn't spend $2 million of Rick Rubin's money. So you wouldn't need a billion dollars, but to get on television in Charleston, Huntington, West Virginia, back then it was still $1,800 a week if you would just buy an hour in a good daytime slot. So I would have done what we did in Knoxville and to a lesser extent in Johnson City, but I would have done it in Charlotte and Asheville, Greenville, Spartanburg,

and Chattanooga, and Lexington, Kentucky, and Charleston, Huntington, and Roanoke, just get on television and then start running the building. We were making money overall in Knoxville, Because it was a big enough town and we could run once a month and people would actually come to it. But we couldn't get enough of those big towns. So, yes, I mean, the first thing, I mean, I would have obviously, if I had unlimited money, the TV shows would have, we would have then taped every two weeks instead of once a month and do four shows in one night. We'd have taped, you know, potentially if I could have done the workload with unlimited money,

we might have taped every week. But that wasn't really necessary in those days. Every couple of weeks was easier for everybody and didn't make a fuck in terms of the ratings. And I would have also tried to pay the guys a little better than what I did. There wasn't any need to rent different buildings because I've mentioned this. We talked about the Smoky Mountain days before. The Knoxville Civic Coliseum was a 6,500 seat building in the middle of downtown Knoxville

and fully staffed the rent and the ticket master charges that it was like $2,500. So try to rent a goddamn place to have a bar mitzvah or a wedding reception now for $2,500. So it's not like we needed to Spend more money on buildings. We had the buildings. We needed the TV.

Jim, our next question sent once again to the Call to Cornet Facebook group. This was sent by Rick Beerbauer. Who taught Jim as... Rick Beerbelly. Rick Beerbauer. According to this, he's a rising contributor on the Culta Cornet Facebook page, whatever that means. A rising contributor? Has he got a little chubby now, or what?

Will you leave him a little? What is your problem with? everyone today. Here's his question. If he's got a beer belly, how can he tell whether he's got a little lead to his pencil? He's not a beer belly, he's Beer Bauer, and let's go to Beer Bauer's question here. Bealbom. Who taught Jim his working punch? It's almost reminiscent of Scott Hall or the Rock, in my opinion. Okay, I don't see that. Because for one thing, they both did that open hand bullshit. Nobody

sent me down one day and said little Jimmy, today we're going to do the punch. You know, and I'm going to reveal this wisdom to you. But I grew up watching Jerry Lawler and Jackie Fargo from the time I was 10 years old or whatever.

And I'm managing Bobby Eaton. And there was also something to be said for Terry Funk, who I was a huge fan of. and all those guys, you know, you kind of absorb things by osmosis if you pay attention to what they're doing. And I just kind of, you know, put that into what I was doing. And it got to the point where by the time that all those guys were gone from the business, and I was about ready to be gone from the business, I was a 50-year-old.

old guy throwing the most credible looking fucking punch in the goddamn wrestling industry. But just because nobody else, a lot of these guys just do it as a thing to do while they're talking to somebody. I'm going to punch you five times in the face while you're backing up and I'm calling a spot and I'm paying more attention to what we're going to do than what we're actively doing. But if the whole idea of every time you do it is to draw back and throw something and simulate the contact as much as possible and follow through with your body and get as much out of it as you can and not think five steps ahead that it's easier to do.

And you've also got to not have somebody that's covering up. Because remember we talk about all these guys now they get on top of a guy and they turtle up into a ball and they just throw windmill punches at their general direction and nothing lands that everything looks fake. You've got to have an open target and that guy's got to trust you from night after night of doing it

that he's not going to knock your fucking teeth out. I worked with Bobby Fulton so much, the Fantastix thing that at any point I could just feed over to Bobby and just be leaning over with my chin out. And I knew that he would nail me from any fucking

angle and it would never hurt and there'd be contact enough for me to fucking sell and I wouldn't think of blocking it because that would throw his fucking aim off but the thing nobody blocked shit when guys knew how to work but now that they're just throwing kicks and punches

in the general direction of their goddamn face maybe I don't blame them for blocking shit the way you said you learned how to do it from watching Memphis wrestling and when you look at Jeff Jarrett who I think throws one of the best punches Yeah. It's reminiscent of what you would see based on what you saw, the things he grew up watching.

But it's interesting, you know, beyond throwing a punch in someone's face and for the most part not hitting them, what about the legwork, the footwork, how you move? I love how Jeff Jarrett, again, reminiscent of classic Memphis wrestling, he reaches down and comes up with it. Yeah. And I think that's one of the key things that makes it look so good, but it's also his feet as he's doing it. What are the other intangibles? Well, yeah, it's the follow-through also, and whereas Jeff reaches down and comes up with it,

if you'd notice Bobby Eaton strike like a cobra, he would come from around the right side, and it'd be more level but under the chin, where there'd be a little hoop. And yes, if you're right-handed, which most people are, when you start off, your left foot's in front of you, your right foot is kind of to the back because your weight is on your right leg.

And as you're drawn back with your right hand, and as you start throwing the punch, you're shifting your weight from your right foot to your forward foot, your left foot, and you're also turning somewhat at the waist because your shoulders have to follow through with this also. Remember, Lugar would stand there and do a little square-shouldered box punch

where it would be like his shoulders were still, completely squared off straight in front of the guy and his arm would just go in front of him. But if you're throwing a fucking big football pass, right? Your right arm is back, your left arm's in front, your shoulders are sideways and your body rotates at the waist and your arm comes to your shoulder to turn. You're throwing a punch, same thing.

Boom! And that way, a lot of your follow-through it convinces people that you've struck your target also. Of course, they're doing it, and Solo's doing it now. Where do they do the fucking thing with the open hand, and then he does a little bobble move and throws his hand out like he's following through,

but there was a pause. Have you seen that one? Yes. And that calls attention to the fact that he didn't follow through. He paused, and then he did it, to make you think that he did it. But that's the, it's your whole body, you put your whole body into it, the body language. You not only put your whole body into selling when you're selling, but you put your whole body into your offense when you're on offense.

If you're kicking a guy with your right foot, you're not just kicking him. You're, again, your right foot goes back. Your left foot's in front. Then you bring your right foot in. and when you throw the kick and snap it at the guy at the same point, your left foot comes a little bit up off the mat and stomps a little bit just to make a little noise. And at the same time, your hands go to your sides

like you're throwing everything into the goddamn kick unless you're hanging on to the top rope where you're really digging in with the kicking. And you're pulling yourself in with your body at the same time. But there's never just a one limb, movement to any of this stuff, or there shouldn't be. But those punches, too, I think of the camera angle, the far one in the Memphis Mid-South Coliseum watching Lawler, you know, throw punches like that, they're like the

perfect kind of punches to get the fans up. I don't know how to say it any bit. Yeah. To get a big, ooh, from the crowd when you throw the punch, it's the move, the way they move, Jeff Jarrett, Jerry Lawler, it's the perfect way to throw the punch. Well, and it all comes from Fargo, from that big arena, whole full body selling type of thing when he would start making a comeback and he would start throwing those punches but that's also the thing is that the people would who because the

timing of the baby face making the comeback is important and when they get used to him then they can they can go with it because lawlers if he threw three punches and then the big one he would still be reaching back and throwing it, Whom! Whom! Whom! And then he'd grab the guy by the hair so he could lift the fist in the air and show the people and milk the anticipation,

and then the big one, boom! And there would be the same amount of time in between the first three womb, so they had time to do it, right? It was like he was a conductor leading the orchestra, but instead of the band, it was with punches, and it all timed where you womb, womb, womb, womb, and woo. You know, I forget what the exact clip is, and I'm sure you'll know.

But I always love the clip of, from the Mid-South Coliseum once again, but it was from the floor. Fargo is punching longer in the corner. I think Fargo's in street clothes, but every time he punches him, he looks at his hand. And then he punch him again, and he look at his hand to see what's on his hand. And that was 1976 in the Coliseum. It was Mike Shields on the floor camera at that point in time.

And that was one of the times where Fargo had either been injured or been out of the territory and then came to the big angle and the big program was in 74. But he came back in 76 and had another series of matches that were instigated by him being in the corner of the baby face and blah, blah, blah. So that was Fargo when he'd been in the corner of, God damn, I'm trying to think who it was at this point. It doesn't matter. had come in the ring to, you know,

fucking kick the shit out of Lawler and set up they were going to work the following week. But that's the thing is when Fargo would throw those, he had a different stance to it, but he would cock his fist back and he would throw a straight right hand to the guy's head

and it looked like just a jab to the forehead. And boom, every time he'd hit him like you said, he'd look at his hand like, shit, did I break my knuckle? Boom, oh, shit. and the eye that they had for detail and distance and accuracy was incredible but that was the most important part of a baby face's game they could wrestle all night long but when the time came for the comeback the people wanted to see the baby face punch that fucking heel right in a goddamn mouth

and that's what got the reaction and every time I mean, this was not limited to the Mid-South Coliseum, but in those days, every time the baby face would finally start to come back, every time he'd hit the fucking heel with a punch, the whole crowd would go, who, woo, woo, and it was, you know, it was the biggest reaction of the match. That's what they waited to see. Well, Jim, one final question in this round, We'll see how we do with time after dynamite, but one final question right now.

This was sent via the Colt of Cornette Facebook group by Wayne Eastlick. What is that Wayne? From Classy Motors? It's E-slick or I think that's how you say it? Wayne E-slick. Jim, we know you've been a Booker for many years. Tony jumped into it right away in A.E.W. with no experience. My question is, how long is, how long?

into your career, did you feel comfortable enough to book shows? Well, it's not a matter feeling comfortable like if they came to me and said, Jim, we need a card for fucking Tuesday. I'm not comfortable right now. I started, my first official booking position was, as we've talked about, on the WCW Creative Team in 89 under Flair. But before that, I had in effect pitched finish. to Dusty that he did and he said, okay, kid, you know, you take care of it and I'd lay it out

to the midnight and their opponents or whatever. That's part of booking. On the WCW committee is the first time I actually got to literally put a TV format to paper or to contribute to live event cards. Did you feel like you knew what you were doing or at any point did you feel like I hope I'm doing this right? Well, again, I've seen the formats before that other people have written. So I know how to kind of translate the concept. We want to have this guy wrestle this guy, and after the match is over, he's going to go to the desk and do a promo, but the other guy's going to come out and they're going to have a fucking argument. And then they're going to go to the

desk and we're going to do the angle. We need some agents and referees. I know how to put that on paper. So the biggest thing about the challenge about booking is doing it yourself rather than doing it as part of the like you're helping somebody else who's more experienced. And that in Smoky Mountain, that's where the first time I had to do it by myself. And again, I'm replicating. I can put the lineups in the book the way that other people do it. I can write the formats the way other people do it. but the ideas now have to be all mine and the finishes have to be mine

or the promos what the guys are talking about I have to give them the subjects even though I'm not writing it word for word and that's where again in Smoggy Mountain I had a lot of experience guys that you'd only had to tell them

on a promo who are we talking about and remember last week we used the ether and we're coming up in Knoxville no DQ whatever okay but I think my booking was better in OVW because I'd had the experience in Smoky Mountain there's things I've again I've said this before

God damn it I still kicked myself that I didn't put the baby face team over at the bluegrass brawl in Pikeville and then get heat afterwards instead of putting the heels over because it deflated the house there but we were coming back to Knoxville and Johnson City and 10 days with rematches. Things like that.

But my booking in OVW was better because I had more experience at it. I had a more varied, more number, more numerical talent roster than I had in Smoggy Mountain because we could afford more guys that were either on contracts

or were paying us to learn to wrestle. And I just had more experience at it and the shit made sense from week to week and TV to TV much better. OVW is the best booking I've ever done. With the WWF that period of time, that's being on Vince's creative team. So you're helping somebody fill in their fucking crossword puzzle.

But it's not like you just suddenly say, you know, I'm comfortable booking a fucking show because it doesn't matter. You don't get to book one anyway, unless you're a fucking booker and that if you become a booker you better be ready to book a lot of fucking shows. Does that answer your question?

Maybe a little bit of it. I don't know how... In terms of Tony Kahn jumping right into it, we've seen how it turned out over five years. We've seen the problems that manifested quickly and the ones that it became apparent were going to happen over time

and they've all happened. But in advance of that, what did you think would be the... What would you have thought would be the toughest thing for someone a novice to get right out of the gate and was that what Tony got right or wrong or was it

not exactly what you thought would happen? Well, no, the timing of the shows obviously is one of the issues. Well, but I mean, Jesus Christ again, you can train a fucking chimpanzee but part of the, well actually maybe you can't because part of the thing is is that if you're timing your show

and you're not giving the guys the finishes, they're coming up with their own finishes and they can't figure time. And they hell you give me a three minute cue to go home and then they do it in four and a half minutes. It's not your fault. But you ought to be giving them the finishes and the fucking time queue, which is, as we mentioned, what I did in OVW. If I gave them a finish and I said you've got a three minute cue to go and if your timing

is right in this finish, then we'll have 15 seconds left at the end to say, goddamn, can you believe what happened? We'll see you next week. And if you rush, you're going to be short and you're going to have to stand there with your dick in your hand, and if you're long, then it ain't going to make the air because we're live to tape. That's how they learn. But Tony can't time a show because he doesn't know how long a finish is going to take to be able to give the time queue because he can't see it in his head and he can't fucking feel it because he's not giving it to the guys to begin with.

And then talent roster and presentation. You can't just give everybody everything from spaghetti with sardines to fucking blueberry ice cream put your roster together in a kind of a sensible way that everybody's able to present the product style that you want to present and you haven't shot your wad at the beginning you've got guys that can come in later on and take these guys place as you gather more viewers

so that you're upgrading instead of having the 20 best wrestlers you can have at the start of things his roster was all over the place he had the legless man whatever the fuck you can't do this unless you have set in the locker room and or in the car

and or in the fucking TV studio with people who knew how to do it and did it successfully and watch them do it and see what happens to them and see when they're trying to talk somebody into doing something that they don't want to do and why it makes sense for them to do that

and you have to be able to explain that to them and no it's not that Tony was good at one thing or bad at another thing it said he was totally unprepared for every fucking thing because you can pretend to do this on the internet or in your notebooks as a kid which we all did at varying ages I was already in the business when Tony was doing

it on the internet, age-wise, but you can't actually do it for real until you've watched people who know how to do it for real and they have told you some things about it. And then you've tried a little bit of it with somebody else to correct your shit and tell you what's wrong with it and tweak it a little bit. That's the problem. Tony has never thought that his things were wrong. His ideas were wrong. He thought he had a hang on this and he could figure it out from day one.

well that's why it's all been caca but but that's you know that's why that nobody was ever made a booker in wrestling until they had some lengthy experience whether it be as a wrestler

or as a referee or even as a manager or as Jerry Jarrett had promoted towns when he was a teenager He had been selling programs since he was six years old. So he had been around the business and talked to people,

even though he actually became a booker before he was a wrestler. He had refereed and promoted. And he had the benefit of Roy Welch, one of the most experienced human beings alive in the wrestling business at the time, riding in a car with him to Memphis back every week, to fucking tell him what was going on and ask him what he thought. you don't just oh i've i've done this as a fan with other fans we've played around at this so now i'm going to do a national tv show and that's

and what has happened has been what has happened that's what it looks like you know and that's what the 500 million dollars or whatever has covered up for but that doesn't mean that the shit has made sense or that you could even every time somebody comes back to aEW if you play the tape of the last time we saw him on television and then they you saw what they walked in and did on that program it doesn't make sense from one thing to the next they might be a baby face might be a heel might be mad at a guy they come out whatever the fuck there's been no no coherence in that program from start to finish and that's because Tony's I've had people

tell me he's all about making moments like, oh, look at this guy, here he comes. Where'd he come from? And why's he here? And, boy, we just saw a guy come in last week. This is kind of the same thing. The timing and the context and the story and the reason why we're supposed to go,

oh, shit, look at that guy. Tony don't do that. Tony don't play that. He just wants everybody go, oh, shit, look at that. And then five minutes later, they're, oh, shit, look at that again. Because they forgot the previous, oh, shit. Well, what a perfect transition. Let's go to the world of Tony Caca or Tony Khan, as you call them.

Cacacacacan! An A.E.W. Dynamite. All right, we are in the future, because only in the future could A.E.W. possibly make some sense. Well, you're getting a little fancy there at the end, there, Captain Planet. And also, if we're going to do this, can we just go four years? Just four years from this January. It'll be just fine. fine. But we time traveled a little bit because you had to take, see, you're feeling puny and your symptoms

are getting worse and you're trying to hide it. And so now you're on the drugs, the pharmaceuticals, you had to take some pseudofed. Is this what I'm here? You know, the only thing you can do with pseudofed that actually works is make meth. Because the rest of it doesn't. There's something to do with the rest of the day? It'll dry your mouth out. But it's not going to affect your goddamn sad shit's phony.

Phony is a football bat. Sudafed from the pharmacy, you know, when you actually go to the counter and ask for it, as opposed to the crap they have, you know, out there for all the civilians. I'm not talking about truck driver speed or some bullshit. I'm saying the product titled and copyrighted and trademarked suitafed, I have found in my life don't do shit. That's what Jesse Ventura did. Sudafet.

Thank you I'll be here all week ladies and gentlemen Not with material like that you won't Now I'm feeling even worse You see you had to make it worse And do I hear a buzzing in the background Over there on your end Well let me tell you something

I couldn't sleep really well Because I was all clogged up And I'm blowing my nose And I got a cough that I'm hiding successfully so far And then all of a sudden I finally get to sleep for the final time And around 530 in the long

morning, it just, it feels like there's like a loud buzzing. And I'm like, what the fuck is that? Is something wrong with something? I don't even know what it could be. I woke Suzanne up. Like, do you hear that? And she said, yeah, what is that? I said, I don't know. And that she fell back asleep. So from before 6 a.m. this morning, the gardeners next door. And then immediately, before they were finished actually, the gardeners on the other side, and then across the way, they've all been doing the leaf cleanup, nonstop blowing of leaves, capturing of leaves, wherever they dispose of said leaves, nonstop. And I got real paranoid, so I texted my guy. I said, are you coming today? He said, no, we're coming tomorrow. Is that okay? So, no, that's great.

I'll be sleeping. Don't come today. But that's the update. That was dynamite. they're across the way they're down the street they're doing the curly shuffle da-da-da they used to play that during Mets games and they got a big pop that would show like baseball highlights

well it's anything entertaining in the middle of a fucking baseball game at Shay Stadium God if paint drying were to break out it might cause a riot Oh stop it Anyway

Better booking there than on some of these wrestling shows Well I can't dispute that fact And we've, the AEW program this week, folks, and it was another one of those weeks, but now it was the shoe is on the other foot week. Because remember it was a couple weeks back when the folks on dynamite at AEW had to move nights

and they had to go to Tuesday, where the incumbent is NXT on the CW network. And now this time it was the vice E versa, in that dynamite was on its normal night and NXT was venturing back into previous territory. They used to be on Wednesdays, and they left years ago,

and now they were on Wednesday opposite the dynamite presentation. So this was one of those weeks where we were going to see what we were going to see about who sees what. See what I'm saying? If you're the person who owns Wednesday night if you're Tony

Conner, but just any wrestling promoter in that spot, do you load up this show against NXT or do you just do what you're going to do anyway? Well, herein lies the problem. If it was a normal situation, I would say that if I was the incumbent, I would make sure it was a good show. I would think that normally the person who's on the regular night

wins the night, pretty much regardless of who it may be, But I wouldn't, you know, just put like one of those raws from Saudi Arabia where it just, oh, geez, will this ever get over with? I would make sure it was a good show, but I don't know if I would do StarK886 on, and if I was the other side, if I was the ones going to that night, I would try to do that because now I'm on a different night. and, you know, at the same time, it depends if it's competitive, because if it's not competitive, you don't want to load your show up and nobody see it, right? So AEWS thing about that, we've talked about that before. But since, in Tony Kahn's mind, every episode of dynamite is loaded up,

and he listens to Uncle Dave who will enumerate this, long list of great matches that they're going to have on this program they've advertised. And some of the great matches involve pockets or vikingo or whatever the fuck, right? So great is being bandied around, you know, a little loosely these days anyway. And even some of those matches that, I guess, those fans anticipate when you watch them transpire, yeah, some of the big moments get a reaction, but more and more, the audiences at AEW are dead silent throughout matches where you would think they would have some sort of emotional investment or at least a curiosity, something to make you a buzz like the buzzing behind me right now.

just something, but they have nothing. They just sit there and watch it. They're even more timid than the Japanese crowds of the 90s. Well, it's not that they're timid. It's that they're waiting to see something that they either, you know, like the furniture breaking, that always gets a pop, no matter who does it, because they like see furniture breaking

and people, you know, attempt to kill themselves, for real. and when the finish comes and everybody starts kicking out of shit that would kill a bull moose and they do some fancy shit or somebody runs in or whatever they'll start yelling at that but there's 20 more minutes of that shit

and they've seen it all. It's every match, it's the same thing. We laugh about it. Jumpstar, dive, fight on the floor for two minutes. I mean, all the patterns that we talk about. So if you're there live and you're waiting to see the things you came for, which are the really big stars, the furniture breaking, and is there going to be some kind of surprise?

Because now people expect Tony's moments. Tony loves to have moments without any build or logic or rationale or restraint involved in how many moments you. give them until all the moments become one of those goddamn montages for we didn't start to fire. Did I go too deep on that reference? No, it's still burning. Okay, well, it's always turning. You know, it's interesting on that topic, A.E.W. has a lack of star power.

This is despite the fact that actually, I think, the Hurt Syndicate have gotten over as stars and have been treated like stars so far. Tony hasn't fucked that up too much. Moxley is not as over with those fans as he was and he's now the killer, the killer heel, the leader of his gang. Hey, when you took Wild Thing away, when you take away their sing-along and it's just your mope face, you Gomer Pile-looking son of a bitch that, you know, has got to carry this thing.

You know, for those who had money on Moxley being compared to Gomer Pile, this is your week. But my point is they need. need help. MJF's not been on these shows other than these, you know, clearly taped things, even though they're supposed to be live, like transmissions from the mansion he's in or whatever. Did you hear about Kenny Omega? No, I did not, truthfully, and was he in the mansion with MJF? Is MJF going to be allowed to leave? No, Kenny Omega made his return to wrestling. He didn't have a match, but he had an appearance.

Okay. He appeared in Osaka at a New Japan show and intimated that he may be ready for the Tokyo Dome on the 5th. And they even did an angle in the back where it was an angle without being an angle. They had two of the wrestlers do an argument and a pull apart with enough time that the Japanese press could run over and take lots of photos of it.

You know what I mean? With him and Gabe Kidd, one of the top stars in New Japan, Kenny Omega is one of the biggest stars in AEW. Well, but that's what I was about to say? Where is he? He's over in Japan and he can do shit, but he can't do shit over here for this guy that's paying him millions of dollars

to go get his intestines removed. Why is his first appearance in months on a New Japan show? He's an EVP, or maybe he's not, who knows? But he's one of the top-paid guys in AEW. Why is his return on a new Japan show? Japan's to tease a future New Japan match. Someone explain how any of that makes any sense to AEW or how that benefits AED. Because Tony wants to make sure that the Japanese show is good so he can watch it.

I mean, I don't know, you know, that's what he's a fan of. By the way, they better hope they get Omega. The main event of the Tokyo Dome is going to be Zach Sabre Jr. versus Shoto Umino. okay one I know it looks like a Q-tip and the other one I don't know oh umino um-o there you go let's just say the new Japan fans have rejected him brutally ooh and Zach Sabre Jr. has never drawn a crowd in Japan and that's the main event of the Tokyo dome so we'll discuss that I'm sure as it comes to pass but Kenny Omega and boy if you're against NXT, that's why I guess I'm bringing it up here.

And you want to load it up or just have something? Why is he making a return in Japan to tease something that will happen in Japan? I'm sure they have a plan. Well, they have a concept of a plan. A Japan plan? A plan for Japan. Don't pan their plans. I've been watching you since Bobby and Stan.

Well, since you growled like a tiger that one day on the podcast, what was... And my name was Tiger Dan. So they were in Manchester, New Hampshire on November the 6th for AEW Dynamite, and they just popped right up on the air with Tony Chivani in the ring. They can't... They can't even get a wide shot of the ring anymore unless they're shooting across the ring toward the entranceway, because they can't... get enough people in the fucking stands to do the wide shot.

And in Manchester, New Hampshire, I mean, it's not exactly a, you know, giant metropolis, but apparently they got a big building because it looked like a pisshole in a snowbank. Anyway, Tony Chivani introduced the Hertz Syndicate. And here they come, and you refer to this a second ago. The fans are already taken to them as stars. They're heels, but it doesn't matter the people are,

they're giving them the WWE fan treatment. They already know what to chant, when to chant it. When these guys come out, they look great. They're in suits. They're kick-asses. They look like fucking celebrities. And they act like it. And they talk like it.

in MJF's case and or not not in MVP's Noted member of the Hertz syndicate MJF yes well now there's too many goddamn initials you know what I'm saying MVP and the fans are chanting

MVP MVP so then he says well I need no introduction you know who I am I am Montel Vesuvius Porter otherwise known as MVP and they get a he he introduces Shelton

with his legitimate background and builds him up like a carnival barker like a manager is supposed to and Shelton gets a big pop and then they were chanting Bobby, Bobby before MVP even introduced him yeah how about that reaction the reaction Ashley was getting from those fans

yeah because he's a former fucking WWE World Champion and he was in the main event of WrestleMania and blah blah blah and he looks like a million dollars actually in today's economic climate in the TV rights era and etc.

Looks like millions of dollars and MVP gave him the big intro and he got a pop and MVP cut to fucking promo they are there to wreak havoc and they were you know they tried to well they didn't try to

They tried to sign swerve, but he said, here's what happens if somebody turns down our proposals, and they go to the VTR of them beating up swerve. And he said, we don't want to make an enemy. A swerve, swerve wanted to make an enemy of us. And then boom, here comes swerve with Nana. And I have to be honest. I don't know what kind of deal Nana has with the coffee company.

and I know they like to chant whose house, swerve's house and et cetera, but in this case, I don't think he should have been dancing and holding his tallywacker and doing all that because it was so serious because these guys are serious.

That's why they're getting over. They're grown adult men. I'm talking about the Hurt Syndicate. They're grown adult men in a land of children that are obviously seeing that they just need to be serious and look like stars and act like stars and they will be treated as stars. Revolutionary concept, I know, but it hadn't been tried often on this program.

So I think, oh, go ahead. Well, what did you think of swerve, though? Because he came out there, he wasn't yelling or screaming or, you know, doing anything. He was just kind of, I don't know, was an interesting way he played it, him coming out there. What did you think? Well, I agree that he, you know, you don't want him to go ballistic and have his eyeballs popping out of his head. And some do, you know, when some of these guys go over the top, they look more insane

than they do mad, right? But all he did was say, Bobby Lashley, full gear. And MVP's like, well, we'll see you there, kid. and also because I don't care how tough swerve is there's Lashley and there's Sheldon and there's MVP they're kicking a shit out of swerve and nana you know but I think it didn't need to be again the Gettysburg address but I'm

I'm thinking that they could have come up with 30 seconds of something for swerve to say that you know there might have been a little more pithy about what he was going to do about this situation. I don't know. We seem to Swirv on the mic a lot. He doesn't get to the point quickly ever.

Well, but somebody could have fucking jotted something down for him. Just say this. How many times I've had somebody, well, I can say this. I'd just say this. Just say this. It'll be fine. But we'll see you there, kid. So swerve is going to need some assistance.

here. Is he not? Maybe Nana knows some coffee grinders that can get to work, some baristas looking for revenge? I don't know. And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the badass barista. Only Nana knows. So we're a few weeks away from full gear. And it's pretty official, I guess, Bobby Lashley versus Swerve. Lashley's just coming in

it would be stupid for him to lose Swerve kind of needs to not lose but I guess that's the way he better get used some fucking idea I mean I don't know what else to say no my God

the penalty in wrestlers court for beating Bobby Lashley on his first fucking match in a company would be I think firing squad or potentially hand grenade shoved up the sphincter. Should Bobby Lashley have any matches before then, or should they just have him coming out there in his suit with MVP and Shelton?

He's already over. Hey! Hello! Hello, lady! Bobby! He's already over, is what I'm trying to say. He's already over. There's no...

Is it going to get him more over if he gets in the ring with one of these dipsheds? and hurt locks him in two minutes, or even worse, if he was given some, you know, guy from the land of Lilliput offense before his pay-per-view match and it's fucking, as you mentioned, two weeks away. So, no, they know who he is, and they know what he did. Remember, that's an old William Castle flick from the 60s.

I know who you are and I saw what you did. Well, they know who he is and they know what he did. And a lot of people don't think it'd be like it is, but it do. One last thing on this, and of course Tony Kahn can always find a way to fuck up the most simple of things. But I actually think so far, even despite what Dave Meltzer said a few weeks ago that we talked about, I think Shelton's almost come across like a bigger star here so far than WWE. And a large part of that is the presentation and also the way the fans have been reacting to him. do you think to keep that momentum, he should get a few wins between now and full gear, for instance?

Yeah, I think any time you have Shelton going out and throwing people up in the air and suplexing them and beating them, it's good because he does have an image somewhat from the WWE that would need to be rehabbed. But the difference, there's two differences here that I see. Number one, as I mentioned before, this fan base is not used to an athlete of that caliber who's all. also that good of a worker, by terms of a good worker, I'm not even talking about the athletics, I'm talking about that smart of a worker to know how to get his

shit over and what to do in a fucking match. But also, at the same time, in the WWE, they had Shelton pigeonholed and you see him being presented here as a stronger

force as a single already, even though they beat him way too prematurely because all these things are rucked. when they bring in new talent. But so, and also, to be honest, in the W.W.E. Shelton was not outclassing the entire rest of the roster in terms of size or athletic credentials

to the degree he is here. But he's also being allowed to do more of his own shit and not have to be in their student for, you know, guys, the equivalent of Gargano and that ilk over there on the other channel.

So it's meeting in the middle and that Shelton is, you know, to me has gotten over better than any new acquisition that I can think of. Everybody they brought in new and I

will move on. But everybody they brought in new that's been over at the start has gotten successively less over. Shelton is continuing to get more over. Of course, Lashley just got here, so I don't include him. But you see what I'm saying. Yeah.

Do you think they need another guy? Someone who can be the one to take some bumps and maybe take some pins? I wouldn't rush it. And it takes some fuck. Just don't beat any of these motherfuckers for a little while. And, you know, and just concentrate on what you. you've got here because you've got two singles or you've got a team and you've got a manager and he can be looking for other people.

But that can be a way for him to set up matches with either of the two people that he's already got. So there's no reason to turn it into the fucking NWO Wolfpack or whatever, just real quick. But that was that. And I believe once again, after Dynamite, that was the most viewed clipfurt. from Dynamite on AEW's YouTube channel. Imagine that. And then here's the problem with the program in question, AEW, Dynamite.

We went from that where the fans were with these people, for all the reasons we mentioned, and they're interested, and it's fresh and it's different. And then they go to a video package of Pockets' problems with the plumber. and there's Orange Cassidy conflicted because he might be the only one that can save us from this evil group of

Mary Misfits following this fucking bald-headed dipshit around and again the dichotomy here how about that word? The paradox, which by the way is not a place to park two boats MVP's group

looks, works, and talks like stars and know how to present themselves and they've been here for a month and they're more over than Moxley's bunch that's been around in various stages for years. Am I lying? If I'm lying, I'm flying, my feet ain't left the ground. No, not only that, but they're bigger than them.

They look more imposing than them and the manager of that crew can get the shit out of the entire team of the John Moxley bunch. The only one that fits in the Hurdy syndicate is Marina Schaefer. And then, so they follow that package up, here comes

the death riders entrance. Do no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, death riders in the sky! I guess it worked better than Johnny and the good boys. What about,

who is it, Eddie and the Cruisers? Here comes Eddie and the cruisers. They even made a sequel to that crap. Uh, their brands were still on fire and their hoofs were made of steel the coats were black and shiny and their heartbeats you could feel the death riders come out but here's the thing we ride death and put him away wet the you're gonna cough now aren't you here's the thing the goddamn the their death riders entrance video for whatever this fucking somnambulistic music

they got going on. It sounds like a funeral march in Chagoslovakia. But the Death Riders video is on the screen, but these chuckle fucks are still entering through a back door and walking out into the crowd. So you can't even shoot

them and their entrance video. And the people start looking at the video because it's on this goddamn 80-foot screen. And here these fucking nitwits are just wandering around in the crowd with one spotlight on them. the other thing is they wander into the arena, even when Moxley's with them, and they walk to the ring

with security there. Security's waiting for them when they walk out and then they walk with them. Well, yeah, because insurance liability, it has to be a planned entrance and it has to be supervised. They're going to all this trouble just so these fuckers can just walk in through the arena. We know they work there. In their minds only. It was cool. when they had the wild thing and it's one guy doing it or now with Jay Uso because it's audience participation and they wave and they eat and everything. But this was just, it was, there's no excitement. And so they have, it's Claudio and Wheeler and Pack.

And then Pockets comes out to the stage by himself and just stands. there in the entrance way, like, oh come, I'm ready to fight, and he has a weird a weird stance when he's bowing up like he's mad, because you can tell he's never got to be mad at anybody before, because they'd slapped a fucking

teeth out of his mouth, and his head would look like a goddamn jack-in-a-box. But Claudio and Pack go to get him, and suddenly Darby appears on the top of the tunnel and does a dive off onto both of them. and they just do the big four-way indie-style fight on the ramp and the floor,

and then the ref rang the bell when they got in the ring. And it... I mean, look at Pack. He's not tall, but he's jacked. And then look at Claudio. He's tall and jacked. And it looked like a kid and his divorced uncle picking a fight with two bodybuilders at Gold's Gym. The white nationalist Simon and Garfunkel.

based on the gimmick well I don't care what it's based on it fucking visually funny and this went on and on on and on it just kept on going

and the more it went it kept on blowing on and on so the mascot made a comeback on the two giants and there was a bunch of dives and spinning about. And the mascot allegedly knocked out Claudio and Wheeler with one punch each,

the Superman punch that has been downgraded to the Jimmy Olson's blues in my mind. And then he went to punch pack, but Marina Schaefer came in and just kicked the referee out of the ring. And then there's Mock's Liddy, he grabs pockets in a sleeper, but Darby

gets in there somehow with his skateboard and whacked Moxley with the skateboard and it Wheeler got on Darby but Darby beat everybody up this little fucking oh my God this diminutive pygmy is beating everybody up

after he's been and had the shit kicked out of it and then Claudio murdered Darby he just picked him up and just launched him on the floor toward the ring post and he hit and bounced off and then all the heels were beating up pockets when Brisco's music played

and here came Mark Briscoe and Kyle O'Reilly and Rocky Romero and Ishi and as soon as the heels saw that onslaught they just bailed out of the ring this was just it was what is going on here with these people and how do they think that any of this is ever going to register what

It's just chaos with a dozen people every goddamn week. Yeah, and again, AEW is not really a self-aware company, and Tony Kahn's not really good at addressing his personal faults with booking or stopping other people from having really bad booking ideas. It's clearly not working either. Any other problem is you can't ask anyone even if they're an AEW fan to explain it. If you just tuned in this night and you were sitting with an AEW fan and said, oh, what's going on?

Why is this guy trying to murder that guy with that choke? Oh, you see, he wants to hurt everyone to teach them a lesson. Yeah, because they don't appreciate their jobs, so he wants to kill him and bury him in the desert. What is this? It's so bad, and it's not resonating, and you're coming from the hurt business, which is Major League, and it's getting Major League over,

and it's working with those fans, and then you go from that to an amateur hour. Two guys, I guess a SEAW should just have 160-pound weight division. They'd be loaded, but when you have those guys, beating up or staying equal with Pac and Claudio. And then it goes right to the Moxley angle, which isn't working. Which isn't working at all. Losing Wild Thing, like you said earlier, was a big expose on how over he isn't.

And they're seriously thinking that somehow, just because Tony thinks he's cute or whatever the fucking attraction is, that Orange Cassidy can be a serious... addition to the roster and be put in a money position and expected to produce, which is ludicrous. But they're going to shove it, they're going to make it happen. That's the problem. It's not about, well, this isn't working. We need to change course.

No, they're going to make it happen to say they made it happen. Well, but they're not going to make it happen. It's going to happen, but it's not going to draw. Well, that's right, yes. Yeah, so they're not going to make it happen where he's like, who we finally pushed him over? No, you're going to pull. push him off eventually.

There will be a precipice somewhere. But so anyway, Briscoe and O'Reilly and Ishii stayed in the ring so they could go to a break and then they came back and before they went back to the ring they set up that tonight the Don

Fallis family is going to take on Rikoshae and a mystery partner and the Hurt Syndicate then surrounded Rikishish in a menacing fashion and wished him good luck because they've known each other from previous world tours and things and such of that nature. But anyway, then we go back to the ring and Brian,

after they've just had this giant goddamn arena-wide fight where they started with a, hold on, I'm checking my notes, a dive off the top of the tunnel, and they fought all over the goddamn arena and all over the ring and then had multiple people running in and angles being done

where people were launched head first into ring posts, etc. They decided it'd be a good idea to follow it up with a six-man fight without honor, which is the Ring of Honor version of no disqualification.

And now it's also become lazy booking. Fight without honor, also known as match without ratings. Fight without honor, soon to be known as fight without fans. So now it's a no-d-Q six-man. Anything goes minutes after just all this other fucking meaningless chaos. And Jericho and Big Bill and Brian Keith, not Cage.

And they start with an instant six-way to the floor. And Kendo sticks and chairs, and they're using the top. title belt and Ishi had suplexed Jericho through a table on the floor in the first two minutes and

the table is also going to figure into like not three or four other spots in the finish. It was a furniture store. 30 seconds after the first table Kyle O'Reilly and Brian Keith fell through another one and in Big Bill, Chokeslam

Briscoe through a ladder as a break spot. And I was fast forwarding at this point because why? What can you possibly retain from this at this point? And then at some point, Big Bill and Kyle O'Reilly ended up fighting in the back of the arena in a hallway and Big Bill took a very long time to set up two tables next to each other and then he and O'Reilly fell through both of them, and then Briscoe gave Jericho a J-driller and put him on a table on the floor,

and then came off the, no, it was in the ring. I can't remember, but he came off the top of a ladder with the froggy bow to put the Jericho through another table, and that was a two-count, because Brian Key saved it. And it did more dives, and shit. And then suddenly

Ishii just picked Jericho up and held him up in a vertical suplex position and gave him kind of a half-ass brain buster, one, two, three. Of all three of the baby faces, this guy is the worst by far

on the team he gets to win and the finishing maneuver it looks like a love tap from an anemic baby next to everything that's gone on in this fiasco to that point. And they expect people to remember what the fuck goes on here. Again, the ratings have been in a free fall, fan interest in a free fall.

You need the boost ticket sales. Why now are you giving Ishii another push? Doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. Who? What is the audience for that? Is he, even at this point, look at the state of him. Is he still one of the top guys in New Japan?

Do their fans even, you know, still, oh my gosh, he's great. He's 50 fucking eight years old or whatever, but he's great. You'll have good matches on the show, but he's not going to draw the house. How can he have a good match? Well, you used to. I'm not saying now. Well, that's what I'm saying is he's still at a point now where even the New Japan fans go, well it's our guy or boy look at him now

I don't know they're in a pretty sad state they're rejecting their top guy right now they'll probably take anyone they can get well then good take him back anyway we were almost at the 9 o'clock hour we had Moxley and company in the back I don't even

I can't even transcribe it what he's trying to say or the point he's trying to make he's telling pockets that Wheeler isn't his friend as he thought he was, and I don't know what the fuck is going on. And then in the middle of the promo, he starts doing turn, turn, turn. Every season, turn, turn, turn. I really like Roger McGuin.

Like, what the fuck? Every week you could just wait for the Moxley promo, at which point is he going to do prose, poetry, lyrics, whatever it is that he stole from someone. What is he going to incorporate into this? and it's going nowhere, and it still doesn't make any sense. It's been weeks now. We were guessing a couple months ago, oh, Shane McMahon, because otherwise, nothing makes any sense.

And it wasn't Shane McMahon, and nothing makes any sense. Hold on now, you said we, you got a frog in your pocket over there? I don't have one in my throat right now, actually. No, I wasn't saying that. I was the one that said that nobody is going to be the boss of this fucking egomaniac, Maxley and his audition for independent film stardom, but him,

it's going to be him, and that's what he came out the next week and said, you're all working for me or whatever it was, he said to indicate I'm running this. He has admitted to fucking the dog. The rest of it's just holding its head. Again, hit the ring with the hurt business or hurt syndicator out there.

That's what I want to see. That's the episode of Dynamite I'll watch. Johnny and the Good Boys confront the hurt syndicate. Start the show off with that. Build it up for a few weeks. That'll pop a number. And then do the old rib

when you got separate locker rooms tell both sides they're going over. All right, well, at 9 o'clock, speaking of both sides, I've looked at wrestling from both sides of 9 o'clock now, and it's going to go downhill from here. Adam Cole made his entrance,

and Malachi Black made his spooky entrance, and it was Adam Cole versus Malachi Black. And you may recall that for some unknown reason, MJF just gets to dictate whatever the fuck stipulations for other people's lives. And he said if Adam Cole or Roderick Strong can get three wins in a row, or three wins between now and then,

then I'll fight either one of them that does it at full gear. I mean, I don't know how else to explain this nonsense anyway. He should go one step further. And if one of you guys can win four matches, I will ask for my release and I'll go to WWE. And, and, but that's why Tony Kahn comes out and makes other rulings. Why does he remain silent on MGM's head? And then Adam Cole, after you win three matches and I want you to put a new roof on my house or whatever.

But anyway, so that's the situation is that Adam Cole, he's, He's one, one, he's going to win another one here. And God damn, when you look at these two guys in a ring, with Malachi Black, may be the equivalent to exciting a crowd what a bucket of ice water is to a hard dick, but he looks like he could murder Adam Cole. Doesn't he?

He absolutely does. And this is coming off buddy looking like he could murder Adam Cole last week. Tell me he's going to beat Brody, King next week. Is he going to wrestle Brody King? Well, hopefully, because you know, out of the three of them, that fucking big bowl of pudding, Adam ought to be able to put him away

quick, but Malachi Black looks better than he did last time I saw physically, God damn, he's in shape. And look at Malachi Black and look at Adam Cole. Also, what are their ages? Can you Google that?

Is that a thing that you can Google Fai? Yeah, give me a second. because I'm not saying that Adam looks like he's 12 years old facially he does have a beard and the facial hair and he's not as young as he used I knew him when he was 19 he still looks good for his age but when he's in a long shot in the ring it looks like it's a 12 year old child running around and Malachi Black partially because of his gimmick with the wild hair and the contact lenses and everything. He, I'm sure, looks a little more mature, but this looked like a Cub Scout being assaulted by a guy from Rikers Island.

Well, I have the information here, and again, it comes from Wikipedia, so you kind of have to take things with a grain of salt, and I'll tell you why in a second. Malachi Black, 39 years old, but it says here, 215, 11. Adam Cole, 35 years old, and it says here's 6 foot, 201 pound. Oh, boy. Well, I mean, according to this, he's taller than Malachi, black. Well, yeah, and, and I know, I know Adam, six feet in far. It's not like he's 5'7, but he hadn't seen 200 pounds in a while. You know, he's probably close enough if you put him in shoes and stood him on the

curb he could be six feet but anyway um and most of their work is good mechanically but i mean adam just that's as i said physically he looks five years younger than he did when he was 19 because when he was 19 he was in shape and he was kind of lean but and the the fans a lot through a lot of this were just kind of sitting there texting or just doing whatever and I'm thinking... They were dead. They were completely... I was surprised.

I was shocked how dead they were. And, you know, I was thinking as I noticed that Adam also... I mean, he used to be able to go all night. And his shit started getting weaker under 10 minutes in. And I was thinking, because he's been off for so long, how do these guys stay in ring shape

when they work once a week, maybe? Even the ones that aren't off hurt. I do you know I don't know how they fucking do it but the biggest pop at one point in the match going toward the finish was

had him Cole hit a loud leg slap and people popped for that because it was a sudden loud noise right and then Cole ran into black spin kick that he does as a finish and there was a bigger pop because for once,

I don't think he tatered the poor fellow because we've seen some taters coming out of those boots, but it looked good and it got a two count. And Malachi Black was shocked and me too. I'm like, well, what the fuck now? And I swear to God, they go right into this thing where Black misses a charge into the turn buckle, he splashes it, boom,

and he just backed up two seconds. steps and bent over and put his hands on his knees and waited motionless for four full seconds 1001, 1002, 100, for Cole to hop up on the ropes and do the Panama Sunrise. And then he didn't just hit him with the Panama Sunrise. He super kicked him. And then he super kicked him again. I think that one may have been when he was on his knees. and then Adam Cole fell down on his ass and sold like he was all blowed up

and then they both get up and Malachi Black falls over on his ass again and just sits there and looks at Adam Cole and beckons to him with his hand and the announcers didn't they made a point of saying well we don't know exactly what Malachi Black is asking him here or wanting them to do, I think noting Malachi Black's propensity for doing the spooky shit and the supernatural shit or the dramatic shit

from some kind of fucking movie he's been watching, he was probably saying, I can't continue anymore in this combat, you must finish me now like an honorable soldier. And so, I swear to God, Adam Cole pulls his knee pad down and reveals that when he got his spray tan he had his knee pads on. That was the only thing I could pay attention to for the rest of the match.

And then he ran and hit the ropes and came with a flying knee to the back of Malachi Black's head, which is apparently a great baby face move and covered him one, two, three. So think about this. They've had this match where they've done all these things. And finally, the guy they want to get over, Adam Cole, foils, the heels, the heels

attack, gets out of the way of the charge, hits the Panama Sunrise, he doesn't cover him one, two, three. Bear in mind he's going to win anyway. He super kicks him. he super kicks him again then they both fell down then they both got up then the other guy fell down

then asked the baby face to finish him off and then the baby face finished him off by hitting him from behind then cover one two three in a match where the fans sat there and didn't react and again it stood out it was like a woman's match on this show I've never seen a crowd just go dead

and I think part of the reason is this Adam Cole stuff is backfired. Bad. They, if they were going to bring him back and have him wrestle MJF, you know, like what we said earlier with Lashley, that should have been the first time we saw him with his trunks on or anything else. Because it's an exposure now. A lot of the things we said about various people over the years, it's now being accepted about him by their audience.

He looks like a guy off the street who could do the, the moves and it can kick out of things because the look, the physique, unfortunately, is a big part of this story, especially when you keep putting him in there with bigger guys or cut guys, guys who look like to go to the gym, or have a protein shake, just simple things. It's not working and having him win long matches where, you know, it's back and forth with other guys is not helping him. I think it's exposing him more. The move to AEW for him,

almost nothing has worked out and it's reaching new lows every week. And by the way, it's not over yet. Because after he got a free shot at the heel and decided the best way to do it was hit him in the back of the head, then they both shook hands traded a big hug and face padding.

I thought there was going to be some type of kissing involved if they kept going that way. So now the heel that said go ahead and finish me, I can't fight on anymore. And the fucking guy took advantage of it by just kneeing him in the back of the head from behind feels that he has to not only shake this guy's hand but fucking hug him

and then Malachi Black left and we got story time with Adam Cole and Adam Cole puts Malachi Black over as one of the best he's ever fought that led to internet rumors that Malachi Black was done with AEW but he said no it wasn't a farewell he was just expressing that you know he liked the match I'm what the fuck is he's just really appreciative of this much bigger tougher guy putting him over the way he did. And not potatoing him on the spin kick, probably. He might have had to pay him some money

once he got in the back for that one too. But Adam says he wants to talk to Max because I've won two matches and Roddy, Roddy needs to win two more and he'd have three so that that way we can have a three way because Tony Kahn has said at full gear if I win three and Roddy wins three also we can have a three way at full gear so now it's

going to be two alleged baby faces versus one heel and the promoter is agreed with that and also one of the alleged baby faces Roderick Strong has been presented as a whiny, annoying heel for the past fucking two years plus and the other one Adam Cole we have just discussed trials and tribulations there and the one heel is still the biggest star in a company in terms of interest and or

talent and so then Adam Cole's music starts playing and they do it dissolve they very okay maybe this ridiculous juxtaposition of where Adam Cole is versus

where MJF is can be softened with a fucking dissolve like George Meliase in 1906 MJF is in a obvious location somewhere besides the arena in a home or

I don't know it could possibly be a funeral home a mortician's location, whatever but he's drinking wine and he's pissed and they've still got Adam Cole's music playing up over this video so when he switches off the monitor

that is again, so position where you can't see the screen, you just see that he's looking at a monitor, he turns that off and the music goes away. And he makes a phone call and tells whoever on the other end, I need you to pay someone a visit.

And he hangs up without telling a guy who or where. and we go to the break and scene. Should they just go ahead and say, look, this is a trade school for aspiring filmmakers now? I think they should just say this is a disaster and get MJF away from it. Don't even do the match. Don't even do the match.

MJF got hurt. He fell off a helicopter. He's going to be out for the next year. Get him away from all of this. You can't keep bringing him back and putting him in there with guys who just don't have it. And this is not it. This doesn't work, and this doesn't have it.

Well, what do you think the odds are, Brian, that they're going to go through with it anyway? Well, on my show, I'm very happy that someone remembered there was another spot to do. I think the odds are that Tony Con will push forward with his idiotic plan. Well, I think the odds are that folks, you know, this week that we're currently in, but not for much longer,

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who needs to pay somebody a visit and now we go to the back with Renee Moxley Good and light switch Jay White and he starts talking and normally I am not a proponent of every time that somebody starts

talking they cut them off within five to ten seconds and that's why nobody's over because you never get to hear anybody make a fucking point but within 15 seconds Adam Page had tackled Jay White and they fought into the arena.

And so we've got more chaos in the fighting in the arena. In another just back to back to back. And then Adam Page is about to hit Jay White's bad ankle with a chair because he's hung in a railing. And Juice came out and grabbed the chair. Does Juice wrestle anymore?

He came back from injury, I thought. Why can we not see him? If I remember right, he wrestled on TV and then Jay White returned, and then we haven't seen him wrestle again. Yeah, so Juice grabs the chair, but now you got two alleged baby faces against one heel, so Juice laid back, and Jay White fought back against Adam Page, and they went to the ring, and then Paige bailed, and now, God damn it, that's when Jay White grabbed the microphone and cut his promo.

And the fans were up at least a bit at the fighting and everything, But then the breathy and whiny British soliloquy calmed them back down, where he was vowing the revenge. But so there's more fucking chaos. And nothing I can add to that. So then we go to the back with Renee Moxley Good. I know you're not going to believe this, Brian. Could we just went, we were just back there

and somebody said something to Renee Moxley Good and then someone would immediately attack them, right? and it can't possibly happen twice in a row unless this Renee Moxley Good is somehow she has been cursed by an old gypsy woman but yes Renee is there and Chris Stanlander walks up and says 10 words and then walks off camera

exit camera right and you hear tires screech and kind of like a railing fallen over and a scream and a camera pans to the right. I'm trying to figure out how to describe the ludicrosity and the ridiculousness nature of what you saw. Chris Stadlander is on the ground, but like 10 feet past this railing that is still moving

and a car has just hit this railing and knocked it over. but when she went off camera to the right she had to immediately dug down and run over and lay down on the floor and then they ran the fucking SUV and hit the railing it would have knocked her 15 feet she'd have been goddamn unconscious and instead she's laying there on her side

like she's at a picnic on the blanket next to the box of ham sandwiches and then she's looking up shocked that and she's crawling, dragging her legs, so they're trying to say she got hit by the car. She has still been rolling if it had hit her that hard, like the railing was anyway.

Goddad, they're trying the special effects. They're reading all the amateur cinematography books. So then the camera pans to the vehicle, and inside is Mercedes-Munei. And she's mad because Camille's driving. And she said, you can't hit her. Well, too late now, bitch. But then Stadlander's up after being hit by the fucking car

and drags Mercedes out of the car. And then Camille pulls Mercedes away. And Stadlander slams the car door on Camille's arm. And she goes down selling. And then she does some kind of slam to Mercedes on the hood of the thing. and security runs in and seen. But now have they broken Camille's arm already? I was going to say,

has there ever been a bodyguard character booked as bad as Camille right out of the gate? Right? Sid Vicious, Diesel, Hercules Hernandez. So many people have been the bodyguard. I've never seen it this poorly done. I think it's almost like she's Cato. She's bodyguarding Inspector Clucson. so or something.

What the, again, she's down, she's hurt, she's incapacitated, she's defeated. She had to, but now they hit somebody

with a fucking car. And we're not even to the main event yet. Is it supposed to be that they hit her or that they tried to hit her? Well, she was down, and then she starts dragging her leg as she's trying to pull herself up.

So what? I guess so, because I mean, because then they cut to Camille and she's like, I don't want to do it. Not like, I can't believe I did it. But that's why I'm not sure exactly what happened. I do. Well, the other one was saying, well, you're not supposed to hit her. Oh, that's right. So they didn't know what they did.

And anyway, we move on. Here came Christian Cage and Nick Plain and Nick Plain's mom and now Pip Sabian has joined the crew there. And Christian Cage also had extra security out with him allegedly to keep Hook away

because, you know, Hook is after him because he thinks they're the ones that bombarded his old man, Taz. But the security was dressed in ninja outfits and completely all in black with black, hoods over their heads and eye slots.

So why would you have to bring out extra security with their faces hidden unless it was a bunch of the fucking underneath boys that you didn't want people to know who it was? What would be the other reason for that, Brian? I don't know. Well, that's what I'm asking. Come up with one.

Come on, Sputnik. You know how stupid people think. It looked ridiculous. and now he's saying that Pip is in the group because he's a fatherless loser looking for guidance too but he helps save the contract for me with blah blah blah and Christian hugs Pip and Nick is getting jealous and meanwhile

Mama Wayne is still standing there she's the biggest one in the group and Hook comes out to the entranceway and Christians say you know what I admit it we were the ones that took your dad out because I want you to be my son that's why we got rid of Taz and the fans were wadding Christian one of the best promos in the company but this Drek is so

drivelous and frivolous and they were whatting fucking Christian and then Christian said I just can't figure out, why didn't Taz tell you it was me all along? You didn't have to, it's because he knew of whatever the fuck, he tore Taz down. And he asked Hook if he wanted to be an announcer like his dad or a champion like Cage. And I wish your father was dead.

What the fuck? Yeah, let me, let me just jump in here because the Christian stuff is so tired. And again, another thing that started out wasn't too bad and quickly went off the rails with, stupidity, because it's always about your mom and your dad and this person's dead and this. If he did everything he's doing with a group and made none of it about, you're looking for a dad, you need a, because that's the stupidest part of the whole thing. If it was just, I'm Christian, I'm now dressing like this, and these guys are following me because I have a track record, it would be a whole lot more interesting than I want to be everyone's

father or whatever this is. This stuff's terrible. Yes, and remember a few years ago We said, Stephen Cage is the best heel promo in the company And now it's like people are like, what, what, what? Because why, why? And then Hooke charged past the four ninjas

And grabbed Cage and the ninjas attacked him And Christian and all of the name talent bailed And Hooke beat up the ninjas. and it was flat as a plate full of piss and nobody cared. It was cartoony. Anyway, that was that. Okay.

Here came the resolution of the MJF phone call. And boy, what a segment this was. Our friend... This may have been my favorite segment on the show for the acting here. Well, yeah, because it starred... I mean, I can't believe they have not had Alex Marvez on inside the actor's studio.

To share with us the secrets behind his incredible method acting, it's like it was really happening. There's the epitome of sincerity. So he's standing there with old Don Fowles is Alex Officer Barb Brady Marvez. And they're talking about the new team of Lance Archer and Brian Cage that's in the family, and Don is saying, no more 50-50, we're squashing everybody. It can't even be straight on it. And then suddenly this big, huge black guy with long hair that we have never seen before. Looked impressive.

Looked impressive. Was not identified. Was just a guy that came in. And as soon as he walked into the frame, Marvez turns around and says, who are you? And then he backed up with a look on his face like they had set off a stink bomb

right under his fucking gap and he's screwed his face up and he's backing up like, oh my God, he smells like he just come from the fucking sausage factory outhouse. And the guy hands on an envelope full of cash and a ring box

that we find out contains the dynamite diamond ring and then he plays a voicemail from MJF. Hey, Don, I need you to take care of a ba-bay for me. Don't scratch the ring or I'll be upset. Good night. These are the worst criminals in the world. They plan everything and they're, put it on tape and then they play it on national television.

Who are you? Who are you? Well, what else would you say when you're doing an allegedly live television program and some guy you've never seen before just wanders into the fucking shot? Who are you? So wait a minute. If Callis, if Adam called us to win one more match and it's going to be one of Calus's guys, what are the options?

He's going to beat Brian Cage? he's bigger than buddy murphy what about Lance archer he's taller than Malachi black okay what about uh who else is Don got he still got because everybody is either in the thing or out of the thing he's still got Felcher and Takesha I don't think they're going to beat them no they can't it'll be Brian Cage because he can't beat anybody anyway

he's all show no go well that trade that Jake Roberts made is really paying dividends for his career isn't it? Well, yeah. It's launched Jake back into the limelight. What did he get again? He got three luchadors. Oh, and a partridge in a pear tree. You trade us Lance Archer for, I forget who it was, it was, it was a beast mortos and a couple other guys who we then saw on TV without Jake. Yes, and then we haven't seen them either. Most impressive guy on this show

may have been the guy who, whoever this guy was who made the surprise appearance on behalf of MJF. And no, we're about to get to the most impressive guy on the show and what you're doing to him.

Maybe it was Marvez. Maybe I'm wrong. But, but, so we went from who are you to the next match, which was Jamie Hater versus Penelope Pitstop,

and now we say, who are they? They did make it. Penelope. has been out for nearly two years with an injury. Did she have both legs replaced? What happened to this woman? That she was out for nearly two years?

Well, I don't know, but I think I said this before. I had heard that she was one of the people using the AEW program to go back to school. So I was under the impression that she had gone back to school as well, so I don't know. Well, maybe she went back to school because she was injured. Had to have a kidney ectomy or something.

Maybe Miro should pull that. Tony, send me back to school. I want to go to university. I want to learn the things. All right, well, anyway, the finish on this one just for you complete us out there. Penelope missed a moonsault and Jamie gave her a pretty stiff knee lift and then a brain buster and then went for a clothesline and Penelope after missing a moonsault getting knee lifted and brain. Bainbustered.

15 seconds later, not even she backbended and limboed under a clothes line and then gave Jamie Hater a cutter and got a two count. So they have nobody producing their matches. Because there's no way they said to anybody well, we're going to do that. What?

And then Penelope picked her up and Jamie landed on her feet somehow in clothes lined her one, two, three. So again, she could have beat her with the fucking brain buster as the same goddamn fucking result. It eliminated 30 seconds of the match. The heel misses the moonsault and the baby face hits her goddamn finish. Instead, they did this back and forth.

She hit her. She missed her moonsault. And the baby face hit two finishes. and then the heel turned around and just came back on her and got a two count and then turned around and got beat. What the fuck is going on here?

You know, I watched this match. I actually thought Panella before it looked pretty good in there. Jamie Hader's lost a lot of her charisma or whatever it is. There's something missing ever since she changed her look from, I don't know, she's very pale, and her hair is like very red, and there's something not working right now.

And the outfit matches the hair? I don't know. Well, yeah, she was off for quite a while when she was getting over with the whole other thing she was doing with Brett Baker and them. And then she got hurt and she was, and I don't remember her looking anything like any of this. And again, I'm watching the match and it was all right. Penelope Ford was doing stuff. And all I'm thinking is she hasn't been on this show in forever. She's working her match. She's doing, obviously she's doing everything she can to have a good match here.

and the crowd is dead. It was awkwardly dead. It always is during the women's matches. It was during the Adam Cole match here. But man, how do you, I can't even imagine what it's like to work in front of a crowd that you don't know if they're breathing. Like, you don't even know what's happening out there.

Oh, believe me, it is even worse than you can imagine. And sometimes, hey, I need to hold a mirror up in front of your mouth to see if you're breathing. But at least you were at ringside. At least you're someone who could make some noise. You got to do anything. You could make some noise. There was no noise.

There was nothing. You almost wanted the timekeeper to slip and accidentally hit the bell just so there'd be some noise, let alone maybe the conclusion of the match. Well, and in all truthfulness, it's different when there's like 150 people in a building and they're not making any noise. Because I've never experienced when there's 2,000 people in a building. and they're all that fucking quiet. I don't remember that one.

And that's got to be even scarier. And how many people did they have in Manchester, New Hampshire? Were there 2,000 people in that building? Because that's another part of it. They see constant chaos. Multiple furniture breaking. People be run over with fucking cars. Multiple no disqualification matches.

everybody running in interfering, beaten down all the time, and then there's two girls trying to have a regular match. As of the day of the show, according to Russell Ticks, there were 2,416 tickets distributed. Distribitated. So they probably ended up with it,

and we've said from the statistics that they're trying to compile based on investigations over with Thirst and Hal the 3rd and, etc. They usually get 10 or 15% of the crowd or of the tickets distributed, don't show up or whatever. However, I'm trying to phrase that.

Figure they had $2,200 maybe. So part of it is that. They won't just they won't stop, and now it doesn't matter whether they stop or not. Now people will just be disappointed because there's no way to fucking do anything to anybody that hasn't been done.

Well, plus again, there's a harsh reality A lot of people have to face about the popularity of women's wrestling. And if you really want to give it a fair shake, it should have its own show and be promoted and book right. But just shoving women's matches at random into the wrestling shows helps nobody. Doesn't help the women get more over? It causes a bathroom break. We've heard from people at the shows.

Some go quiet. Some leave. They go do something else. And you know, it's causing me to gain weight, too, because to eat that much so I have to go to the bathroom for that long. See, think about that. I was not thinking about that, but this is my show.

Well, it is, but it's our main event. That's what's coming up. Well, they did a package on our friend O'Codee and all of his exploits in Japan and whatever's going to go on there where again, do the people in Japan do they recognize

that he's broken down to this extent, or does he actually still work like he means it in Japan whenever he's there and takes a bump every now and then? Or are they seeing the same thing that we're seeing over here

this broken down, slow, crippled up old fella? I don't know, to be quite honest with you. I think he definitely has more of an aura over there than he does here, just because at least is a track record and history, but it is important to note that New Japan right now is, in my eyes, a sad, sad company.

And it's getting more and more absurd. Yeah. Well, the main event, speaking of obscenity, was old Kyle Feltcher and our friend take a shit going up against Rick O'Rache and a mystery partner.

And the heels entered, and then here came Rickashay, and he had a microphone with him. I'm like, oh, no. And by the way, ricochet was introduced at 208 pounds so remember

when I said they could they could give these guys 10 or 15 pounds when some of the guys they introduced at 188 they could easily do 199 to whatever right but now they're

trying but they're that's a big exaggeration isn't it isn't it again compared to other people on the show like Orange Cassidy or Adam Cole. I guess Rick O'Shea may be a little bit taller

and he's lean and he's in shape. I think Pockets is taller than Rockefeller Rickashay. I mean, when you saw him standing next to MVP and the Hurt Syndicate early in the show and stood out just how compared to them, he's a little guy, but in the world of AEW

against a Will Osprey, he doesn't look like it. It looked like they were taking a fan fest picture. Who's this funny looking guy in the suit? Yeah, well, at least he dressed up to come see us. But anyway, Rickisha cuts the promo, said he's done research, and as of October the 4th, a guy's

contract with Don Phallis' family has expired. And this guy is mad and pissed up because he feels forgotten about. And he introduced Powerhouse Hobbs. This is how they brought Hobbs back.

They brought him back with the hot angle that he's so worthless, his own manager forgot about him. No, no thought, no plot, no plan, no carefully laid out. We're going to bring this guy back as a fucking monster single with a grudge against the world or something for his injury, no footage of how he was injured before, or his rehabilitation he's been unlawful, he's been undergoing no impact that he can make

when he suddenly comes out and turns a tide in a major way and fucking, they just bring him out. And by the way, wasn't he still a heel? He was still, I know the, the Fowless family,

their baby face, their heels depending on what match they make week to week, but Hobbs was a heel. He goes away, nobody's even mentioned his name in fucking months. And then he just comes back and he's a baby face because his manager forgot about him because he was that important. Was this the way to bring back a guy that looks this good and has this much potential?

No, I don't think so. I've always been a fan of Hobbs too and I was happy to see him back but it had to be a better way to do it. And maybe that's a card that MVP needs to hand out. You know? because then, well, the whole rest of the fucking roster could just say, fuck it, we're going home with those three guys, and the manager can whip half of the fucking roster, even in a working way, much less as a shoot.

Imagine how much he would learn in a car with them going town to town or to the building once a week? What, I was about going town to town. Going ten minutes from the hotel to the arena. But anyway, so, They have a tag team match, and it starts out with a big four-way all over the floor. And then they did a spot where Rickashay stood up on Hobbs' shoulders and back-flipped off of them, over the top rope onto both heels on the floor.

And Hobbs looked tremendous. And actually, again, all of these guys, Felcher's trying, and he's got the size, and he's athletic and our boy take, we've said before they could have done something many of times. Do you think Fletcher looked a little bit too much like Randy Orton in there? At this point, anybody on that roster can look like Randy Orton needs to. It seemed like they changed his look to look like Randy Orton of like 2005. It was weird.

I saw a couple of people mention it. I was like, good, it's not just me. That's an interesting way to come up with a new look for him. someone else's look. But that's the thing is that and Rick O'Shea, I know he appeals and his style appeals to the fans of the people who like this kind of thing.

But again, you've got Hobbs as a monster and he's in this 20-minute-long match where they're just taking all kinds of false finishes. And again, you could push almost any one of these guys individually, but it's just, it was names written down to have a match, and they had a match with every kind of fucking,

I wrote at one point, what is going on? Ricochet hit a shooting star press, got a two count, and got up and hit a clothesline that was about a tenth as impressive as the shooting star press, and then one, two, three. Rickshaw beat. Can't remember which one. Hobbs didn't even get the win. and then Kyle takes a chair to Hobbs

and then he's going to hit ricochet because he's behind ricochet but ricochet turned around and saw him coming at him with the chair and turned back around and fed him his back so he could hit him in the back with a chair and Nigel even had to try to cover it by well he didn't want to get hit in the face the fuck and then they play music

and Mark Davis comes out wearing you thought he looked like a bum last week goddamn did he steal this shit out of a Salvation Army drop box and was it was it a bandage he was wearing or was he wearing dress shoes with only one sock and the other ankle was bare and then it looked like he had some kind of sweat clothes on and he's shoving

Feltcher and Archer and Cage come in and they beat up Davis but Adam Cole comes out with three seconds of music and tackles take a shit and they fight off in like 20 seconds

they're gone so the heels are holding Davis who nobody gives a shit about because they didn't remember who he was last week and they're going to stab him with a screwdriver. When Osprey comes in and tackles them and it barely really does anything

before Hobbs is up and the heels bail and the end it was over. So Osprey was there the whole night and one of the top baby faces that you're pushing as a company who hasn't been on the show in weeks, wasn't on the show all night. And then he runs out there dressed as casual

as he ever has. And it obviously took a little bit to piss him him off. You know, he's got an even temper because he waited through every kind of attempted murder in the world before finally that's all I can stand. When they go to stab

somebody with a screwdriver, I got to come out here. Just from top to bottom of this show, there's no way to even differentiate it. It's just different people doing the same shit over and over and over. There's lots of heel gangs.

Well, you got Johnny and the fat boys Johnny and the good boys Johnny and the good boys It works It works From up there in Newport Well anyway

That was the main event And that was AEW Dynamite Another banner episode I will say The product's awful But it is getting funnier and funnier Every week You have to find something to laugh at

At this point To keep from crime Do you think it's an intentional thing with Marvez? Like it's an intentional, I'll be a really bad actor? Because when you think of the amount of things, like the Will Osprey segment in the garage, the hotel, we've seen enough examples that's so awful, you would almost have to make an effort. No, I think he's genuinely trying to do what he thinks is acting. and some people you just can't be on television and there's nothing you can really do about it.

Well, let's go from the modern version of you can't do that on television to the ratings, Jim. Of course, I'm getting my pen here. And by the way, we're going to compare these things with the NXT program, correct? We will. And we're not going to go quarter. We're not going to go quarter by quarter through the NST shows. Well, no, I don't mean with, you know, goddamn granular detail. I mean, basically, this is a head-to-head things.

We're going to find out who won. NXT on November 6th, Wednesday night, not the normal Tuesday night, 8 to 10 p.m. on the CW, 619,000 viewers. Okay. And... That's 5% up from last week, according to WrestleMania. So they were up on... when they switched nights,

that almost never had. I can't remember when that's happened to anybody for any show. But refresh me or help me out. When they were against, on Wednesday nights at the start, when they were against AEW several years ago, NXT did not beat AEW,

AEW won the so-called ratings war on Wednesday nights, but NXT was still doing 600-something-thousand people then, right? I believe so. I don't have any of that information here front me, but that sounds right. But that's what they lost with. They were losing.

That's what they got chased off Wednesday nights with. Yeah, that was Uncle Dave's characterization. And so now four or five years later, or whatever it is, they do 600,000 on a Wednesday night. It's about the same thing they were doing. What did AEW do? AEW Dynamite on November 6th, 8 to 1009 PM on TBS, on average, 523,000 viewers. Oh.

Not even close. And this is AEW's night. Well, it wasn't their night, but it was their normal night. and NXT switches nights increases the audience from their normal night last week and beats AEW by 96,000 people

when they did it a couple of weeks ago and they were on Tuesday night AEW switch nights at AEWNXT what were those numbers? Because I can't remember we go through so many numbers Well Jim it was October 8th Title Tuesday you may remember

where was NXT versus AEW NXT on that night their normal night on CW and this I think was the second week they were on CW 874,000 viewers on average AEW which aired from 9 to 1110

so it was head to head with the second hour 329,000 viewers which was the record low So basically AEW went against NXT on NXT's night and got their ass handed to them and then AEW went up against NXT on AEW's night and got their ass handed to them. Hmm. What were the quarter hours on the AEW 523,000 fiasco?

Well, let's go to the quarter hour breakdown. These were compiled by Russellnomics. Quarter 1, 8 to 8.15 p.m., the Hurt Syndicate Live promo, a recap of the events with Moxley and Orange Cassidy. the start of Darby and Orange versus Claudio and Pack, 666,000 viewers. Well, the mark of the beast. In this case, the beast is a little puppy named Pockets. Well, the Beast will find that it'll be still there in quarter to 8.15, 8.30 p.m. The continuation of the aforementioned match, the postmatch with the other death riders

and the conglomeration, and an ad break, 575,000 viewers. Ouch, so 66, 2080s, 91,000 people already said, well, hell with this. Quarter 3, 8.30, 8.45 p.m., the ricochet confrontation with the Hurt Syndicate in the back, and the Learning Tree versus the conglomeration, uh, no honor or whatever it was here, with picture and picture 516,000 viewers. Oh, good Lord! So they've lost 150,000

in the first 45 minutes. Well, we go from 516, aka in Nassau County to quarter 4, 845 to 9 p.m. The continuation of the tree versus conglomeration match, an ad break, John Maxley backstage,

quoting the bird. and then the start of Malachi Black versus Adam Cole, 535,000 viewers. So some more people wandered back in. They got 19,000 back. So, ooh, boy. The continuation of Malachi Black versus Adam Cole in quarter five, the big nine o'clock hour, 9 to 9.15 p.m.

With picture and picture ads. And the post match, congratulations. or a handshake or whatever it was. 511,000 viewers. Ooh, that thing did go on for a while, and as you mentioned, the atmosphere was very funereal. I think this may be an issue with Adam Cole going forward, especially going to give them long competitive matches.

You're going to have a problem. Quarter six, nine, 15, and 9.30 p.m. The MJF Mansion, video, whatever that was. Jay White and Hangman Adam Page's live angle an ad break, Chris Statlander run over by

Mercedes and Camille, followed by the Christian Cage Hook live promo, or the start of it, 469,000 viewers. Oh, good Lord. Okay, that is 197,000

people down from the start of the show and they're under 500,000 now. Well, we go now to quarter 7, 930 to 9.45 p.m. The Patriarchy Hook Live Angle continues, followed by Don Callis and Alex Marvez being confronted by... Someone! Someone! And Penelope Ford versus Jamie Hader and an ad break.

498,000 viewers. Jesus Christ, so... They at least came back. Who was in the 469 again? that was the MJF thing which was rather brief the Adam page Jay White thing which led the Jay White on the mic an ad break Mercedes and Camille running over Stahander and then the start of Christian and Hooks thing so they said okay Mercedes is come and gone it might be safe and also we got rid of Jay White so 29,000 people came back

well we go now to quarter eight and I remind you we have an overrun 945 to 10 p.m. The Continental Classic video with Okada and the start of Powerhouse Hobbs and Rikoshae versus Kinosukee Takeshti and Kyle Fletcher with picture-of-picture ads. 455,000 viewers. Oh, no.

Nine minute overrun, continuation of the match, and the post-match with Adam Cole, Mark Davis, Lance Archer, Caj and Will Osprey, 460,000 viewers and under 200,000 at 198 in the key demo.

Okay, Brian, get your calculator fired up here because from we'll go ahead and use the overrun. It's 5,000 people difference. It makes it a rounded number. They lost 206,000 viewers out of 600,000. 66,000.

That is, God damn, doesn't that, it has to be 30-something percent, ain't it? Or, well, I can't do the math. Well, and by the way, if you take out the overrun and you take out the opening segment, the true number, as we always call it, and we've done it here, 580,000 viewers.

And we've said it before. If they continue on the path they're on, they're going to end up with collisions audience, and they're there. They are now there. Now, again, this was head-to-head with NXT, but it was on their night. And we'll talk about the head-to-head. I'll pull those up. NXT wasn't as hurt as AEW was.

What does that tell you? And by the way, AEW lost to NXT and the key demo as well. They both started the same 666AEW, 665 NXT. Wait a minute, NXT started at 665,000, 1,000 less than AEW and they still did almost 100,000 better on average.

Quarter two with the pockets and derby match against Moxley's boys. Up against that was Lola Weiss, Ethan Page and Ridge Holland, had a promo, Kalani Jordan, and Rob Van Dam's angle, and the family angle,

I don't even know what that is. That did 674 versus 575 on AEW. Jesus, they gained audience. Quarter three, which was Wesley versus Javon Evans, Rob Van Damigan, was an ECW theme, and Ava and Robert Stone, and Eddie Thorpe, whoever that is, they were all playing backstage.

6.53 against 516 for the Learning Tree. But things tightened up here. Quarter 4, 845, continuation, whatever that backstage shit was. And then Julia, oh no, Rhino. Rhino was there. And then Julia, Stephanie Vicar, Kalani, Jordan, Zaria,

and Jordan Grace's angle. That only did 596, versus 535. 9 o'clock hour, 588 for Bubba Ray Dudley, doing something with Ethan Page and Trick Williams. 915, 563 against AEW at 469 for more of the Dudley stuff. Tony DeAngelo versus Nunzio from ECW.

I don't think there's a big, we'll all due respect. Like, there's not like a bunch of people like, oh my God, Nunzio's back. We've got to tune in. So that's what beat AEW there. quarter seven 590 versus 498 so now they're close to 100,000 up

for Nikita Lyons promo and then a Nathan Fraser axiom angle oh good Lord and then finally quarter eight there's no overrun 625 versus 455 for an eight woman tag match Julia Jordan Grace

and Kalani Jolani Jordan and Stephanie Vakor Zaria, oh, and Zaria, versus Corrigade, Roxanne Perez, and Fatal Influence. That did better than Hobbs and Rikishay versus Takeshita and Fletcher by almost 200,000.

Well, not you can say that. Not even a little under that, but what are they doing? Oh, God. Well, Mighty Mouse cartoon reruns are coming up next week. I wonder how they'll fair against them.

Well, those were the ratings, and this was the drive-thru, and we're going to wrap things up pretty quickly. Let me... You're feeling mighty puny, aren't you, son? I don't know if I would use any might in any of this. All right, we'll be back on the experience. I'm sure it'll be a barrel of laughs.

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