Episode 367
00:00Hello again, friends!And you are our friends. I may not sound great today, but welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through right here.On another day, it is indeed a day, and you are with us.I'm your host, the great Brian last.We're going to be talking dynamite at some point, some of the news and headlines happening in wrestling, and your questions.With this man, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett.Oh, thank you, Liberace.That was a wonderful introduction there.
00:36The way you tickle those ivories.Oh, Jimmy, y'all.Well, that's my Liberace impression.It's always better to have two lips on your organ than roses on your piano.But nevertheless, speaking of, speaking of Dix,let's just jump right into acknowledging the results, the news of the news of the,the particular week here, because on the last program that you and I did, the experience, Brian,you know, we said we're doing this before the election.
01:11We don't have any results yet because it ain't happened yet.Well, now we're doing this one after the election, and we do have the results,and I've got to say something here in public to you, Brian last, and to the listeners out therethat I have never said before.Do we need a drum roll on this or hold on here?Hold on, hold on. Oh, I could do that.No, no, don't you think the drum rolls.Oh, where did I put it?
01:36No, hold on.Oh, come on.What did I happen?Put your drumstick away, I beat you to it.Son of a bit.Oh, it's over on the desk over there.Yeah.This is what I've never said before.
01:53Mama Cornett was wrong.Because I did say on the last program that whenever something would happenwhen I was a kid that was apropos,of this statement and that could be a variety of things,she would say, Jimmy just always rememberthere's more good people and there are bad people.Well, Mama Cornett was wrong and now we actually have statistical proofbecause not only did the citizens of the United States of America
02:30not recognize that many people,including many people inside this countryhave thought that they were stupid, stupid.And not only did the citizens of Americabanned together to say, well, that's just your opinion,but they decided to put it down on paper, Brian.They decided that we basically, we took a big sheet of paper,we drew a line down the middle of it,
03:04And we counted up.We say, okay, now how many people think that we ought to be run by a sane,rationally speaking, experienced human being?Okay, tallying up.And how many people are on the side of the stupid asshole?And a bunch of hands went up over me, me, me, me, me, me.Stupid asshole wins.not only were they not satisfied
03:37with people around the worldthinking that were bat-shit fucking nutsbecause of this guybut they decided to document it onthey divined themselveswe have stooged on ourselvesbutas they say
04:01people getthe government they deserveand I think I can say without fear of contradiction,we are all about to get what we deserve.However, I would like, on behalf of all of the citizens of the United States of America,to apologize to the rest of the fucking world,because I know a lot of you may be laughing right now going,oh, the Yanks or the Americans or whatever, the economy,
04:36colloquialism is over there for wherever you are for us,they've elected the befucking phone again.And it is funny.If you're not here, it's hilarious.Except the president of the United States of Americacan fuck up the world.So I would like to apologize on behalf of all the Americansfor putting you in this fucking position, too.
05:07because, you know, we kind of set up the world order when we saved democracy 80 years ago,and now we're going to come and take it back.But nevertheless, otherwise, in apologizing to the citizens around the world, Brian,yeah, we pretty much, we're going to get what's coming to us.andI mean, you know, we're going to have to sit back and justobserve as if the mind virus holds throughfamine, pestilence, plagues of locusts,
05:51what is it going to take with this guy for people to see through him?But I saw somebody on the news the other night sayTrump didn't change us, he revealed us.So I guess technically Mama Cornett was wrong all along.Even though she hasn't said that statement, obviously, in quite a number of years,they were here all along.And there was just not anybody that was low enough to take advantage of them all.every gullible group and every fringe fanatic
06:34all bundled together makes more than half of this countryso the question iswell I'll leave you one more thing one more thingthis guy's an 80 year old fat fuck that's eating McDonald's for 40 yearseven I got off of itso when nature takes its coreIf it's not, if it's within the next four years, we end up with J.D. Vance as the leader of the free world, who the fuck is this creep?And what the fuck is his problem? Just, he appears like the, I joke about the invasion of the potty snatchers. Invasion of the potty snatchers. Invasion of the potty snatchers. Invasion about that all the time with your buddy Vince McMahon, I understand. Yes, yes. We often do.
07:31next to each other.The invasion of the body snatchers and the pod people,and they look like your family member,but they're not really,this guy skipped the part where he even looks likehe's a real human being.So, you know, and surrounded by idiotswould be this guy
07:53as a leader of the free world behindthe most powerful fucking nation on earth,who the citizenry ofhave just abdicatedtheir responsibilityas the most powerful nation on earthby allowing two of these Cretansto be in charge of it.
08:14What can possibly go wrong?And I'll tell you another thing,while there's still free speaking outletslike ours that can't be censored,I'm going to tell you some more shitabout these two motherfuckers,this one no goodand another thing about this
08:36son of abut they're never going to be able toshut us up and telling you thatall right another banner episodeof the drive-thru so farwe had election talk as well asspringery I guessI've got some breaking news
08:58for youfor me you no goodsorry gum bump and sack a snake fecesgood looking wonderful honestnoble person yeswith integrity and humble also.That's right.You can't deny that, can you?
09:14Last 2028?Well, I've got news that you always bringing in breaking news.Well, I've got news.Did you hear about the mysterious black balls?I can already tell you no.Before you even go any further, I could tell you no.You haven't heard about the mysterious black balls that, that was.washed up on the beach in Sydney, Sydney, Australia, down there, down under.
09:43Where are you getting this news from? No, I have not heard of this.No, this is all over the goddamn news sources. Thursday, November 7, it was at 249 a.m.I'm just hearing about it now. But basically, the mystery has been solved. There were black balls.They were washing up on, apparently they take pride in their iconic beaches down there in Sydney, Australia.and these balls were washing up thousands of themand the beach people were closing the beach.The beach people.Well, the beach authorities.
10:18You know, you've got to run for office there too.Every two years, you've got to, you know, run for office to be the beach authority,the beach board.You've heard a beach board.I grew up on a beach.I resent being called beach people.Well, the people are charged.You're a beachist.
10:34You're a beachist.The beach administration.The people in charge the beach had to close the beaches, is what I'm saying to you.Seven of them, because lifeguards spotted thousands of these things washing in and they startedtrying to clean them up.And they didn't know.I thought he said there were two.What?
10:57I didn't say there were two.I thought you started this by saying there were two black balls.No, the mysterious black balls.Have you heard about the mysterious black balls?Anyway, they didn't know what they were, but here was a quote,lead investigator, associate professor John Beaves of the University of New South Wales, UNSW for the alumni,said they smell absolutely disgusting.They smell worse than anything you've ever smelt.
11:32and whenthe New South Wales Environment Protection Authorityor the NSWEPAfirst warned Sydney residentsto avoid swimming or touchingthe big mysterious black ballson October 17after they were spotted at seven beaches
11:56at that stage their contents were a mysteryand local officials ordered a series of teststo find out what they were and where they came fromwell what they now they're they're called fatburgsBride have you ever heard that termI've heard nothing about any of thisthey were many fatburgs apparentlyfat and oils and substances
12:22which we'll talk about in a secondconglomerate together sort of like the conglomerationyou've heard of that in the oceanand theyand they float around rightWell, this was unusual and it had never seen this phenomenon anon before,but the fatbergs were made up of among others, among hundreds of other vile and befuddling substances.Here's some things that was in there, human feces, methamphetamine, human hair,
12:58fatty acids, and food waste.initial testing suggested that they weremade from unrefined oilpotentially from an oil spill but further testingindicated a different more disgusting compositionso there are congealed masses of fats, oils and greasymolecules that can accumulate in sewagenoting that their presence highlights the issue of pollution
13:30among Sydney's coastlineI wouldn't want to be swimming with them, the professor said.But I could, okay, grease and oil and human hairy, but methamphetamine?Yeah, the blobs contained everything from fecal matter to medication and recreational drugs.Where the balls came from still remain a mystery.However, and Brian, I'll open the floor to discussion on this or anything else.Oh, great.in 2021, a massive 330-ton
14:05Fatbergwreaked havoc in Birmingham, UKwhen it clogged a city sewer for weeks.What's the fuck?Actually, I believe this is some sort of advanced promotionfor AEW coming to Australiaand Grand Slam.And those are in black balls, those represent the black holes
14:26of charisma that are some of the wrestlers on the roster.No, they got these promotions.beach balls made, but they werea fucking cheap materialand they fucking, theymelted in the oceanand washed up on shore.See, that would be good promotion.
14:44Everyone in town's been wondering, one of themysterious orbs that have beenarriving on the beach.It's a failed project from the sonof a billionaire. Let's getmore about them. It was supposed to be littlemini holograms.And they were supposed
14:59to wash up on shore.If you crack went open, it contains an unsold copy of the video game.And all that, that thing pretty much self-destructed like a tape on Mission Impossible.I Google it, kids.Yeah, that thing sunk on its own now that I think of it.All right.Before we engage in any more wrestling frivolity, I just wanted to make sure that story got wider press.You never know what something's floating up on shore.
15:29but a lot of people heard about this the past couple of dayswith all the other things going onthis was not good newsfor wrestling fansand all of us who have been friends of Dutchman tellsfor ever and eonsDutch's daughter Amandahas set up a go-fund me
15:52for not only Dutch but his wife Kathyand I don't know if people know or notbut Dutch and Kathy have been married for over 50 years.It may be the longest marriage.I don't know.It has to be currently in wrestling, right?I mean, God damn, unless Bill Mercer still married, Bob Caudill.She has, he's definitely still married.
16:18Who knows?But Dutch and his wife, Kathy, have both had bad health issues over the last year.and, you know, we think back a few months agowhen Kevin Sullivan's familyhad put up a go-fund me for him,one of the things that he had been having trouble with was sepsis.Dutch has had sepsis been in and out of the hospital for that twice.But for all of that,
16:47it sounds like Kathy's health issues have been worseand she's been hospitalized.And I'm not going to read their,chart on the air here, but there is a GoFundMe for, and Brian always ask you because you knoweverything about the internet, but if they just type in Dirty Dutch Mantel, they're going to get it.There's no Dutch impersonators yet on GoFundMe.Well, I'm pretty sure if you just go to Google and search for GoFundMe Dutch Mantel or goto GoFundMe and search for Dutch Mantel, dirty, not even needed.
17:20Well, there you go.Well, it is in the title.Help Dirty Dutchmanter because he's Dirty Dutchman.Because he's dirty Dutch to all of us.To the clean folk.To the clean folk.But anyway, yeah, that's how the kids Google these things.But anyway, you know, if you've liked Dutch's work over the years,
17:40whether it be you're a fan of Memphis wrestling or you're a fan of,I mean, he's been everywhere at one point or another,but I've, you know, obviously a fan of his work in Memphis,but also he worked with me in Smoky Mountain.When TNA actually had good moments, Dutchman was behind most of them.There you go.I worked with him not only in WCW and later in WWF,but then he's the one who kept me from committing aggravated mayhem
18:09a number of times in TNA for all those years.So I had one of the funniest guys in the business.But anyway, I just wanted to bring that up because if you go there now,they've exceeded the original goal,but that's the thing is Amanda has basically been taking care of both of themto obviously the detriment of her having time to actually work or do anything else.So, and a lot of their, I don't know,I've fortunately never been in this position,
18:43so I'm not sure how it works,but for those of you around the world,we have insurance here in the United States,if we pay for it or if we're old enough to have made,Medicare, but they've still got caps on hospitalizations.Brian, you know, if you know how that fucking works, you could chime in.But I, but point is, you're still screwed over here if you're old in the hospital,one way or another, generally.
19:12So that's to try to assist with all of those things.He was the first guy you managed and you did the thing where you printed up thephoto that you took of you guys togetherand then he destroyed it on TV as his way of sayingI'm out working with you geekbut what was your relationship like with Dutch before thathow well did you know him from when he first reallyI guess with the first family in 81 was
19:37a big push there for himoh well I had met him inChris before Thanksgiving time of1976 his first time that I met himbecause he came in and briefly he was partnerswith David Schultz at thatpoint. And, you know, he was, I guess, at that point, four or five years in a business or whatever.And it just really adopted the name Dutch Mantel because, as we talked about before,
20:08there was an original Dutch Mantel from the 19-teens and 20s that was a noted shooter and was a bigdrawing card and promoter out in West Texas that Roy Welch was influenced by.and you know when Dutch got into the Tennessee system,Agulis and Welch, etc.,that's how that came about.But nevertheless, yes, he was away for a few yearsand then came back.Actually, was it early 1981?
20:41He and Austin Idol were partners.And they had been in Georgia in a couple of different places.Because there's that great photo you took of the first familywith them and Dream Machine and who's the fourth?person I'm forgetting.Oh, I forget now.Wait a minute. It was Dream.It was Jimmy Valiant.
20:59Jimmy Valiant. That's right.Yes.Yes.Dream Jimmy Valiant and in Idol and Dutch and Jimmy.But nevertheless, and yes, because I'd taken a million.Dutch was one of the most popular baby faces after he switched and left the first familyinto Tennessee territory from 1981.through, well, my God, I left the territory and he was, you know, through 84.
21:29And then I think they, he went to mid-south for a while, but nevertheless.And then when he came back, him and Dundee turned heel.Yes, but Dutch was selling pictures at one point, the equivalent of anybody except Loller, Dundee,or the fabulous ones at their hottest streaks.and when he first turned baby faceandfor was really working on tophe was out selling
21:55sometimes Lawler and Dundeebecause they had more picturesof Lawler and Dundee, right?But he was really over.So we had worked together and talkedand known each other a bunch and thenwhenwe were presented with the idea
22:12I'm trying to think what the fucking timeline wasbutbasically you didn't find out what you were doing in Memphisuntil you showed up on TV on Saturday morningexcept if you had talked to Jerry Jarrettand or Bill Dundee the Bookerat some point during the weekand I was not of the status where I was when I was first being introduced
22:40I'd done like fucking three or four TVsI wasn't calling to check and see what was going onright so dutch told me the week before he's and that's why we had time to do this shit and youmentioned the picture that's where this is going it's all going to tie together kids take the ridewith me Dutch said hey they're going to do a thing where you know I agree to sign with youbecause when I first started managing after the Sherry Martel thing I had come out and I'dI tried to pitchyou know
23:15Lawler please sign with me and he laughed at meand made fun of me and Dundee please sign with meand he laughed at me and made fun of mebut then Dutch since Dutch'sgimmick was that the fuckinggimmick baby faceyou know the kick-ass tough guyhis story was going to be that he wasn't above
23:34taking me for a ride for some moneyif my rich mother is going to pay him some moneysure he'll sign with me and it'll take me for everythingI've got right and again the peoplelaugh at me, but it's a different goddamn concept.But this is what's giving methe grudge against all of the members of the baby faceroster. So when I say, I'm signing a goddamn heel to get even
23:54with all y'all. And it was Jesse Barb. We'll get that later.But there was soDutch told mewhat Dutch told me a week before and we had a picturetaken of the two of me and my manager's suitand him in frontof my backdrop. I think Lollertook it because, you know, he was the only one could use a camera.
24:17And so I had a picture of us and then we did the thing on TV where, you know, I announcedthat I'm, you know, I'm signed Dutch and I'm going to be in his corner Monday night whenhe gets even with Jerry Lawler for me and he beats him for the Southern Heavyweight title.And that's, you know, that was the thing is I've told the story before.my first appearance in the MemphisMid-South Coliseum in mywrestling career as a performerwas managing Dutch Mantell in the main event
24:50against Jerry Lawler for the Southern Heavyweight title.So needless say, they needed togive me a heads up a couple days beforehandso I wouldn't be shitting myself out there, right?So Dutch was sign with you, boom, and you go boom.And then we'd had the picture taken,so when the match comes,comes about on that Monday night, he has told me you just stay out of the way and I'm going to
25:16take care of this. And as I remember it from 42 years ago, there was a double knockout of somekind and Dutch ended up on top of Lawler, but the referee was down. And I get in the goddamn ringand I'm dragging the referee over to try to make him count for Dutch who's got Lawler coveredfor the title.But when a referee,Paul Morton, Ricky's daddy,by the way,when the referee wakes up
25:46and sees that it's,I'm in the ring,the manager,and there's a Lawler downand he fucking disqualifies Dutch.And Lawler retan,then God damn,and then Dutch gives me the fucking,
25:57what the fuck,and I'm, oh, please,I'm sorry,I'm so sorry.And that was where,if you've ever seen that video,Brian,you remember the sailor hat,
26:09the yachting cap.that I was wearing as the rich kid, right?Well, I was getting those from Caulfield's novelties here downtown Louisville.And in 1982, they were like $3.95 a piece because they were cheap as shit.And it had no shape to it.It was just white material, but the way they'd made shape to this fucking yachting capbut my rich-ass millionaire mama's boy is wearing is they've just stuffed like wrapping paperaround the edges of it
26:42so it'll stand up in the shapeof the yachting cap, right?And I'm sweating anywaywearing this hat at ringsideand I'm fucking sweating all through this matchand now I'm getting in thereand I'm pleading with Dutchoh please forgive me
26:56and I'm just throwing,I'm taking my hat on and offto smooth my hair outand the goddamn papercame like you've seenyou've seen guys walk out to fucking shit housewith the toilet paperhanging out of their ass
27:08I had like four feet of fucking look like toilet paperhanging out of the goddamn back of my hatI didn't realize it.So anyway, thenthe following week, the incident that you brought up,we go on TV for our live interviewand I believe,I can't remember if I've already talked about
27:35well, you know, Dutch, there was this charge at the liquor storeand this charge for cigars and this chargeat the restaurant and the bar and, you know, the hotel and the blah, blah, blah, but it's all worth it.And that's when I announced that this is a great, we're going to officially sign the contract.Because last week it was a trial period.We had a little, a few bumps in the road, but everything's smoothed out now.And Dutch is officially going to sign this contract with me.And I have even brought out a special gift that I'm going to give to Dutch Mantell.
28:10it I open it up and it's the picturewe had taken in Louisville at Lawler tookI got blowed up to an11 by 14 in this cardboardfolder that said to mygood buddy Dutchie JimCornett and the storybehind that was again
28:26the Dutchit buzzed me because see now I'mstill I'm startingto manage but I'm alsogoing to all the Louisville showsbecause that's where I'm picking up and dropping offall the pictures that I'm still taking becauseI'm just not at ringside, but I'm still taking all their
28:43pose shit in the back, because who's going to goddamnwe got to think of the children, think of the fucking picture sales, right?So, Dutch had buzzed mewhat we were going to do this week because he was able to talk toDundee and talk to, you know, Jerry, whatever, and I think he was coming upwith a lot of this himself.So I was neither a baby-faced or a heel, I'm just, you know,what the fuck is this guy doing here?
29:09so I pick up Dutch and we ride down to the spot show on Friday nightand then on the way to TV we go over what we're going to do the next day on MemphisTelevision live in front of 300,000 people.And because I've still, I've only done a few of these, right?This is a big, it's a big deal to me, as Lawler said one time to Lance Russell.So, and Dutch, we just talked about it, came up with ideas because they're going to,going to give us four or five minutes on the live television show.And the point we've got to get across is that I'm trying to sign now Dutch
29:49officially and I think that it's all roses and he's going to then inform me that it's notand tell me the fuck off and say he was only taking me for a ride.But we got to make that last four or five minutes and make it interesting, right?So Dutch says, you know, I'll lay the premise down.You've got the gimmick, you got the picture, you got the contract, you got the pen.So, and you lay the premise down, Jimmy.And then I'm going to say, well, wait a minute, you know, because if we're going to work together,I need to know more about you, right?
30:28So because that's how he starts to say, let's flesh out, you know, what your fuckinggimmick is supposed to be.You're the rich mama's boy's mother is buying him into wrestling.and you're a nerd and you're a goofand you're unlikableif what are your heel qualities, right?And there's Dutch the fuckingyou know, Willie Nelson of fucking wrestling
30:51when the cowback, not when he was 90 years old, right?But back then they were all cool.He's got the cowboy hat, the bullwhip, right?He's smoking a cigar.So Dutch says,I want to know more about you now, for example,like Jimmy, you don't,you don't like to smoke or have any bad habits like that.
31:12Well, he's got a cigar in his mouth, right?I'm like, oh, Dutch, no, that's a nasty habit.Nasty, nasty, that's what I thought.And, Jimmy, you don't drink and go out and crowds and chase women.Do you?Oh, no, no, no.I try to be home in bed by 9 o'clock.And Jimmy, you don't take them steroids and them drugs like them pro ball players do
31:32because something was in the news.Oh, no, Dutch, no.I would never do anything like that.that. And somehow he got me to admit that I like to get up on Saturday morning and watchRichard Simmons or whatever the fuck. And he just did the interview and I'm just, oh, no, oroh yes, and I'm making a fucking dick out of myself, right? And we're laughing and driving backthinking of this shit to do. And so then the people can see it coming a mile away, butI'm so fucking starstruck or clueless or a dumb fooless. Or a dumb thing.
32:07fuck or whatever that I'm just oblivious when he says well now jimmy i'd like to take this contract i'dlike to take this pen and oh and he had one line in the car he said he said i'm going to say i'd like tocome out here on public television sponsored by exon or whatever i'd like to come out here onpublic tv and take this paper and this this contract and this pen and i'd like to take this pen and i'd like totake this pen and i break it in half and he threw it at me and he'd grab the contract i'd liketake this contract and tear it in halfand he threw it downand he said I would never work for you
32:43for a million years and the only reasonas different than me thatLawler and Dundee is that I wasn't abovetaking you for a ride you idiot is stayaway from it and then he grabs the pictureas he starts to walk off but he grabs thepicture and he takes it out of the fuckingthing that says to my good
32:59buddy Dutchy and he tears the pictureexactly in half and he takeshis half and he gives me my halfbackand it leaves me sputteringbut I spit bunny on youand Lance is laughingand the people in the studio audience
33:14have gone out of their fucking mindand we did five minutes of fuckingimprov on local TVthat we talked aboutthe night before in the caron the way back from Covington, Tennessee or whateverbut that's a wayDutch could
33:31you know help teach a lot of the guysby just talking to themand say, well, what would we say?It was good like that.But anyway.When you look back on that, are you happy with your performance?Now, no, but for, you know, four weeks' experience, yes, you know, it was pretty fucking good.And maybe that's one of the times where they actually started seeing, you know, he's not fucking actually suck in here.
33:59I don't know, because they started giving me a lot more to do shortly thereupon after that.All right, well, get well, Dutch Mantel.I guess that's the...And again, again, somebody who's helped me a lot at various points in my career withteaching me or working for me alongside me or just in the locker room with me.It's your show, though.Well, Jim, let's get to some of the big topic, some of the big news items that a bunch of the listenershave been sending over.
34:33So they're unavoidable.We must discuss them.Jim, as you may or may not have heard already last week came the news that Marco Stunt has announced his retirement from wrestling.Have you heard about this?I saw something briefly on the social media, but obviously there have been other things going on the past few days,and I haven't really investigated further otherwise than I think it was either somebody had a headline,Marco Stunt retires or somebody said,what are your thoughts on Marco Stunt's retirement?
35:09I didn't know that he hadn't already retired.Has he still been doing this type of thing since we've seen him?It hasn't been long enough since we've seen him,but it's been quite a while.Was he still perpetrating this type of activity?He must have been doing something somewhere,and we did see him on AEW programming recently with Jack Perry.Well, I don't know.
35:33of course he was doing something somewhere.I don't know what where.Even if he was in an iron lung,he was goddamn doing something somewhere.Yeah, he's laying there motionless in an iron lung.But I'm talking about has he actually beenimitating wrestling still at this point?Other than that appearance we saw from him on AW TV,
35:54I have no idea.But we have a statement.We have an official statement.Oh, is that from his probation officer?According to this, the title of it isnotes app text thingy.I'm so.I'm sorry, what now?
36:09It's his notes app, notes app textthingy.Okay, is this code?Is he being held hostage?And he's, this is, do we need to get outour decoder rings and try to, what thefuck does that mean?I think he's just trying to sound cute, but here's
36:26his message, to my fans,friends, and the wrestlingcommunity.But his voice wasn't that deep when he actually said this.Today I write this with a heavy yet grateful heart as I announced.No, no, there's nothing on his body that's heavy.They have to tie him down on windy days.Come on, we're a sentence in, hold on.
36:50I write this with a heavy yet grateful heart as I announced my retirement from professional wrestling.This decision was not an easy one.Well, wait a minute now.Now, when we're talking about grateful hearts, now that he's got to the meat of the matter, everybody's grateful.This decision was not an easy one, as wrestling has been the biggest part of my life for so long, filled with moments that have shaped who I am today.That guy pushed my face on that I dildo in a fucking...I was about to...There have been...
37:28People had been captives, have been hostages of fucking...invaders and not been forced to do the things that he's done in the fucking wrestling industry.It has been an incredible journey, one full of passion, sweat, tears, and unrivaled joy. Over the years,I've given my body up to professional wrestling. I am obviously not the biggest, and I used that,and I allowed myself to be battered. But man, did I love it?However, after consulting with my doctor, I was advised to prioritize my long-term health andstepped down from in-ring competition.Is this a recent, did he just now consult with a doctor?
38:21Or would a doctor have told him that about seven or eight years ago when he first saw himdoing his shit?Imagine you're a doctor, and this is your patient, and you walk in.So tell me about yourself, what's wrong?Well, you know, I'm a professional wrestler.The guy's like, what?How?Well, remember this thing?
38:39This guy, he was doing the some type of sunset flippage activity, Canadian destroyer, whatever, off of a bar, an actual bar in a bar where they were having a show and hit a railing and broke his leg before.And wouldn't a doctor at that point have said, what, look at the state of you and what are you doing?Take up books.but let me continue hereHe can't pick him upaccepting this realityhas been one of the toughest moments of my careerbut I know it's the right decision
39:13First and foremostI want to express my deepest gratitudeto all elite wrestling, AEWThank youfor giving me the chance to showcasemy abilities and share my passionwith fans around the worldThat used to be code for like
39:31I fuck people everywhereI share my passion everywhere I go.Being able to wrestle on national television was a dream I could hardly have imaginedwhen I first stepped into the business.No shit!And it was AEW that made that dream come true.To everyone involved in AEW, from the production crew to the fellow wrestlers who became my family,thank you for believing in me and giving me a place to call home.
39:59I also want to thank you.to Brett Lauderdale and Game Changer Wrestling, GCW.Brett, you gave me my start.And G.So he's the one to blame if anybody wants to pick up a pitchfork.And GCW became the launching pad for my career.It was where I discovered my voice,learned to embrace my uniqueness,
40:27and grew into the person and wrestler I am today.You provided me with the opportunities that changed the course of my life.And for that, I will always be indebted to you, unless you ask for money.I added that part.To all the wrestlers I've shared the ring with.To all the wrestlers I've loved before.To all the wrestlers I've shared the ring with, you know who you are.That part.
40:58And you prefer to remain nameless.so hopefully the fans will forget.It's such a weird way of putting it. You know who you are.Yeah, every one of you has asked me not to mention you and bring that memory up again.Each of you has played a role in my journey, teaching me lessons, pushing me to my limits,and sharing unforgettable moments.Whether we battled as opponents or stood together as allies,you all hold a special place in my heart.
41:31You sound like he's on some kind of Lord of the Rings quest bullshit going on here with the...Lastly, to the fans who cheered, supported, and believed in me throughout every match and every show,thank you. Your energy, chance, and unwavering support fueled me more than you'll ever know.you are the heart and soul of this industryand without younone of this would have been possibleoh so now we gotta blame everybodyas I step away from the ring
42:09I take with me memories and friendships that will last a lifetimewhile I may be retiring from in-ring competitionwrestling will always be a part of who I amI'll be working a match with my pillow later todayNo. I hope to continue contributing to this amazing industry in different waysand to stay connected with all of you who made this dream a reality.Thank you for everything.And this is from Marco Stunt.
42:42Look, I have never met this little fellow,so he could be the nicest, most polite little church mouse that's ever been.although from the way he was so convincinga little fucking annoying prick on cameraone would think that it might lean in that directionbut I don't know for surebut I have no personalgrudge against this guy
43:12otherwise then it was fucking embarrassinghe was embarrassing to the businessand it's typical that he thankedtwo guys, the head of garbage championship wrestlingthat idolizes the bank addicted drug robberand will put anybody...He fell out with them, apparently.He's no longer working with him.
43:36Oh, I thought you meant he fell off the wagon.Well, maybe that too, actually.I'm not sure.Well, but the point is, they love that kind of outlaw bullshit,phony indie wrestling.Super fringe.Super fringe.And, you know,
43:56they have fucking 400 peoplein a bar that are justloving this little fucking fellowdoing all this shit while they'redrunk. And itcreates an atmosphere that thesesmall-time, this guyFort Lauderdale or whatever, these
44:12small-time promoters thatare marks themselveslove this kind of side showbullshit. And thenhe thanks Tony Khan because Tonyis the only guy ever with a billion dollarsthat has also had some kind of fascinationwith the smallest common denominator
44:33indie bullshit wrestlingand they put something like that on national televisionand not only make the business look badbut made their business look bad initiallywhen they're trying to compete even thenthey had awhen they initially came on the airAEW was still
44:52trying to compete with theWWE who had an evil owner that people didn't likebut it was still a goddamn halfway professional programif you didn't look at some of the contentand it just was another amateur hourself-inflicted wound by AEW to have this littlefucking trained chimpanzee interacting with legitimate wrestlersand as I believe we mentioned
45:22after that first injury.We said,wake up, ding-dong.Yes, you're 120 fucking poundsdoing all this shit, and no,it's not going to be smart, it's not going to last long.And wouldn't you know who won the pony,it wasn't that smart, and it didn't last that long.
45:44So I'm not like, oh, I'm glad he's in pain forever,and must retire and sell pencils in the street.if he's however old he fucking isand he thought he was going to be a professional wrestlerfor the next 25 yearsor make enough money at it to retire,then he's out of his fucking mind anyway.So I would assume he's going to have another line of work.
46:11So I'm not vilifying him or, you know,setting fire to him in the town square,but no, he was embarrassing to wrestlingand it was indicative of the indie-minded shitthat a lot of wrestling promotions havetrying to appeal to the same small audiencethat they present on their programsthat prevents the mainstream audience,
46:39the much larger one,that are following the big guys to joining their little fucking groupand their effort.It makes them look fucking...local cable and fucking funny.Oh, I'll giggle at that.Yeah, look at that bullshit.But they're spending money on the WWE
46:58because they're not fucking broadcasting children wrestling.But all the best to him.All right.Well, Jim, let's stay on the topic of hot breaking news here today.A story that emerged and we had heard some whispers about itin the days in advance.and then here's the story.Dave Meltzer reporting,
47:22uh-oh.Bruce Pritchard and Michael Hayeson temporary leave of absencefrom WWE.Long time WWE creative membersBruce Pritchard 61and Michael Hayes,aka Michael Sites.
47:36Son of a bitch, that's right.Bruce is younger than me, by the way.And look at the state of himand look at, he hadn't seenthe south side of 200 poundsin a long fucking time, baby.Well, speaking of which,Michael Hayes, aka Michael Sight's 65,
47:52are currently on temporary leave of absence,according to multiple sources in the company.Both are expected back,although the time frame was said to be indefinite.Indefinite?That usually doesn't mean they're coming back,but let's continue.Pritchard's absence is officially said to be
48:10due to a family emergency,and we'll come back to that.Hayes' absence is due to personal issues.while both absences have taken place...Those are kind of interchangeable, aren't they?Really?Well, I think personal issues...A family emergency could be a personal issue and vice versa.
48:30They don't send you to a special facility to facilitate your...or deal with your personal issues.Family issues sounds like it could be something...Well, again, we'll get back to this.While both absences have taken place at the same time,there is no actual connection between the two,and those in WWE emphasize that this is notthe old guard being moved out
48:54as people would speculateand that both would be backPritchard is one of the key guys in the creative chain of commandabove the writing teamand directly under Paul Leveche had stints on and off with the company dating back to 1987Hayesa Hall of Famer as part of the Freebirds
49:16a landmark group that set box office record.Oh, I'm not going to go through all his accolades there.Did his press agent write this?Has been with the company since retiring as a full-time wrestler in 1995.He had a short stint as a wrestler in 84 but was fired.He was a performer mentoring the Hardee's,worked behind the scenes as a producer.There was immediately speculation that something was amiss when James Gibson,
49:42that's Jamie Noble, I believe,was listed as the producer of the bloodline match at Crown Jewel.Hayes, who goes back with the Anahuahe family to the 70s,having grown up and broken into the business in Pensacola,where the family was based at the time,was the regular agent for Raines' matches.Hayes would work with Paul Heyman,who was heavily involved in everything Raines-related
50:07in regards to wrestling and the direction of the main angle.So that's the story.Bruce Pritcher and Michael HayesHold on you've buried a lead in thereMichael Hayes since 1995that's 29 yearsif you had bet anybody in the wrestling businessany amount of money 30 years ago
50:34that Michael Hayes would keep a job anywhereespecially a goddamn corporate environmentfor 29 yearsWho would have possibly took that bet?That's amazing.Now, he's had a couple rocky spots, but, well, here's the, you know, it does seem odd that two people who try not to ever miss anything or suddenly missing things together.And, of course, there is the natural mistrust that we have for anything that the major corporations say about employees.especially ever they've been bought by other major corporations.
51:19And let's not forget this comes on the heels of the news that Vince McMahon is indeed startinga new company with former employees of WWE.Well, hold on now, because I guarantee there is every,there would be every possibility that that could include Bruce Pritchard,but I don't know that there's any possibility that would include Michael Hays.Just right at this particular moment.the question isare they trying to have some distance
51:51from anybody who had anythingreally administratively to do with the oldcompany because of thevarious pieces of publicity have come out in the last couple weeksand the new lawsuit or whateverI mean, there's always potentialthere's something to it, or it could just be that,I mean, knock on wood, that it's not,
52:18but that Bruce's wife is sick again,or that Michael needs to go awayand, you know, rethink his caloric intake again,or whatever the fuck, right?But one has to wonder with the nefarious,nattering nabobs of negativitythat populate to wrestling world.days. Well, that's the thing, too, as
52:42Triple H holds onto control of the company, he obviously wants hispeople in place. Whether it'sNXT, whether it's the producers and agents,everyone. They're his people now.He inherited BrucePritchard. And he inheritedMichael Hayes got bombed and sang
52:58at his wedding. I mean, he inherited these twoguys. Yeah, and that'swasn't that when theymade him, the first time they made himtake that stuff, it makes you get sickat your stomach if you drink alcohol.That was one of the times, I believe, yeah.But they inherited Bruce, but it's more like he was, he was an adopted child,
53:20and then the parents were killed in the plane crashed, he showed up on a doorstep.And here's this millionaire living his life, and suddenly he's got this delinquent child to care for.Well, and here's another thing, Michael Hayes, 65 years old.Why the fuck doesn't he just want to go back to Pensacola and sit on the beach?can motivate people even older than me?Because I'll guarantee God damn to you right now.I'm the farthest thing from motivated.There is no motivation in my fucking body right now.
53:54What can motivate people to go through this shit?From here to Saudi Arabia and back again,at 65 years of fucking age.Well, you think you would think about it differentlyif you didn't at any point stop the grind?I mean, I think that could be part of it too.If you're someone who's been doing this forever, you may not want to stop.You may not be able to envision your life not doing this.
54:14If I had been doing this as long as he's been doing this,I would have stopped it because I'd be in a fucking solitary confinement cellin either a fucking local rubber room at a puzzle factoryor a penitentiary somewhere for strangling somebody.Do you think this is an opportunity if they bring Michael back,as they're saying at temporary leave?Is this an opportunity for him to reinvent himselfand start dressing like a normal,
54:39human man instead of a fucking clown. Is this a chance for him? Because no one ever saw MichaelHayes in the 80s and said, I can't wait till this guy's dressed like in a fucking zoot suitin 30 years. With sleeves that are long enough to double as a straight jacket. Yeah, I don'tknow where the zoot suits came from. But, you know, but hey, 23 skadoo. But no, if Michael came inin like a goddamn polo shirt and the khaki slacksand fucking dress shoes with his hair slick backsunroof top digging a scene with a gangster leanit would be you know he doesn't even have to do that
55:23it could just be blue jeans and a black t-shirt I think that would workwell that's what he wore 40 years agoto think about every picture you see of the freebirds he's got blue jeanscowboy boots and a fucking ripped up blackfree birds t-shirt on.And now he's dressed like he's at war with dolomite.Yeah.So maybe this is a chance for him to come back
55:45and all of a sudden...You know, he hadn't been the samesince he found Freddy on the corner.And Freddy's dead.Do do, do do do.You know, I don't know why this made me think of it,but I had to go to a trunk or treat for my kids.I didn't have to go.
56:04But I enjoyed doing these things with my kids.It was trunk or treat where everyone in the communitygets together and it's a big event and has candy. I think we talked about that last year possibly.So I go there and uh... actually, you know what? How many kids did you get in a trunk?Well, that, ha ha, that's very funny, you sicko. Listen, I actually was telling the wrong story. I meant to say it was theHalloween parade at the school that I'm thinking of. They start playing music, right? They play theMonster Mash. Okay, that's a traditional song for Halloween. They play the Adams family theme. Makes sense.The next song was Sweet Home Alabama.
56:41And I was just like, what the fuck?No one's reacting.I'm the only one.I'm looking for anyone that will make some kind of weird movement so I'm like,yeah, they see it too.You're in fucking nose in the air, New Jersey, and they're playing Sweet Home Alabama.So then I'm thinking, okay, maybe even though this is kind of the beginning,maybe they ran out of Halloween songs and they decided to go with Skinnerd.
57:01I really don't know.The next song was Thriller.So now I'm really confused.How did Sweet Home Alabama get in them?middle of this.But anyway, let's go.Did you ask anybody?I did not ask anybody.
57:14I didn't even ask Suzanne because she didn't even pay attention to it.Why didn't you go up and come?Was there a DJ?Well, there was a parade.There were teachers and students and police officers, too, doing a parade.Where was this music coming from?I don't know.I didn't get close enough.
57:29Wait, how did you not get to find out where the, how could you hear the music and notknow, was it coming from a speaker?Well, obviously it was a speaker, but I can't tell you any.the information about the speaker or the chords or what it was hooked up to?Was the speaker on the float or was it just, were they just playing it in that location?Or was it as the float was going down or the people were parading?Was the music going with them?You could have gotten in that line and snatched somebody by the neck.
57:54Well, on the topic of a parade float, let's now focus on Bruce Pritchard here.So Bruce Pritchard leave of absence.Again, he's one of the names that a lot of people.Ronda Rousey was very public about it.but she's not the only person to talk about it.She was just very public about it.Bruce is Vince McMahon's avatar.Bruce Pritchard was brought back to WWE
58:15when Vince was looking forat a time where we now know Vince was out of his fucking mind.Yeah.He was looking for loyalists and Bruce was his guy.Wait, wait a minute, now you say it like this.He was out of his fucking mind so he hired Bruce Pritchard.Yeah, so he needed someone who wasn't going to say no.Well, both things just happened.
58:35at the same time because I know Vincehired Bruce Pritchard at least twicebefore he lost his mindso those things didn't have to go togetheragain Triple H inherits Brucewell yeah and that's the thing is thatI don't know that Stephanie has been the biggestBruce fan in the past when the creative
58:57team was under her auspices or whateverBruce has had numerous you know different jobsin the company over those years,it wasn't all on the creative teamwhere they were butting heads,but they want somebodynewer that's in their system with them.I mean, I don't even specifically know who that would be,
59:22but I just know how bookers and or promoters are.And especially when it's a family generational thing,you knowBut it's someone that you knowis a stooge for the former bossWell that I meanWho still owns sharesThat's
59:42That is probablyThat's a moreWell but a minute amount of sharesIn the overall scheme of what it wasBut that was even more pronouncedIn the territory daysWhere you didn't wantAs you said
59:58The stooge of the former guy thereExcept nowThere's still insame family.So, you know, there'san elementof that, but it's not as pronounced asit used to be when you just cut all contact
01:00:13off with the ex-Booker or the promoteryou sold the territory or whateverthe fuck. But they still got to see Vinceat Christmas and shit.But they don't have to see Bruce.That's my point. Exactly. That's whatI said too. They wanttheir own guys, new guys,
01:00:29guys in their system,people that they want to bring up because againif Bruce is 61then Triple H is also wanting somebodythat's younger and swelter and more energeticand whatever and thinks the way he thinksall the way down the line instead of you know Brucewell Vince would have said well Vince would have said hold on
01:00:57while I shit on your head well you explain to meBruce is role too. According to this, what Dave wrote, Pritchard is one of the key guys in thecreative chain of command above the writing team and directly under Levec. So what exactly is Bruce doing?Well, there are, remember we talked about this when on a recent show, I can't remember.In the last week or so, we talked about the writer's room and how many people were in thewriter's room. I think it would probably bebe worse.We talked about that, and we said that they talked about the unnamed wrestling people
01:01:35who have been in the company a long time, didn't want to upset Vince,and we're doing inappropriate things that we guessed with Bruce and Michael Hayes,and now they announce both are taking a leave of absence.Yeah, that is a thing that's come up.But what I'm saying is, is they think that it was bad when Vince would often be in the meetings.I think, especially when Vince came back andwas trying to sell this thing and probably didn't have as much time to fuck with other departmentsas he normally did, he wanted Bruce to be in there to shoot down the shit that he didn't
01:02:12have time to shoot down and or bring back to him the shit that he would like shipped directlyover to him and be that because Bruce could filter a lot because he knows exactly whatVince would say, want, not want, etc.and potentially he's doing the same thing with Triple Hbecause Triple H has Sean Michaels doing NXTfrom what we understandthere's a staff of writers for Raw and Smackdowndo you think Triple H is sitting in there with 27 of them all the fucking time
01:02:50he's probably got other things to dobut he's probably also giving Bruce directions instructionsA, they need to be writing for this fucking guyor don't beat brawnbreaker or whatever thedoctrines may be that Bruce then takes to theassembled writing union over there.But it's so big, it's very confusingand that's why a lot of shit gets lost and a lot of shit gets just boring.
01:03:24I guess that's kind of my question.other than being a stoogeand other thanbeing able to carry a paperfrom one side of the room to the otherNo, I would sayno Bruce is veryhe's organized
01:03:36and he takeshere's the thingsomebody has to fucking tell peoplewhat the boss wantsif the boss ain't in a fucking roomBruce is good at thatBruce is very organizedand detail oriented
01:03:50and has notesand he alsoknows how to answer questionsif you're asking, should I give Vince chocolate or strawberry, he'll be able to lead you in a direction of the right flavor, all that type.So he's serving a purpose as a goddamn, you know, go-between.His expertise is being the go-between between you and Vince McMahon.Yeah, that's what it is.The Royal U there, not just me specifically.
01:04:19When he was in MLW, when he was in Impact, I think it wasn't the time.time. I don't remember exactly. I think it was impact at the time. Yes, and I fired him.Yeah, that's right. It became global force. I'm, I don't know who you talk to or what you hear, but Italked to talent and every one of them was, no one was impressed with Bruce in a creative role.Without his role, just being relaying Vince's stuff when it was Bruce on his own, people did not thinkhe really had a clue what he was doing. Well, if, if, he,If we were still in 1994 with T.L. Hopper or whatever the fuck, that, you know, the underneath gimmicks.And then if he had a couple of main event guys that he could replicate some late 80s, WWF type of programs,
01:05:16but that's Bruce's problem is he spent so much time working with Vince that that's what he's got there.except without thethe overall big pictureyou know evil empire magnateit's veryWWFish from years agobut I haven't been around him in a whileat a creative capacity
01:05:41well we will follow up on any newsthat we hear about Michael Hayes or Bruce Pritchardand of course if anything's wrong with any of their family memberswe wish everyone the very bestand we take back anything insulting that we saidWell, not everything, but Jim, as we move on, some Vince McMahon news as we just talked about him.Oh, boy.He's been trending for a few days on Twitter because a lot of people are expecting a pardon for Vince McMahon at any point after January.
01:06:09But this morning, as we are recording, the TKO C-O-O, Mark Shapiro, hit an interview.Okay, now wait a T-K-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-C-O-Hibro.Mark Shapiro.Did an interview with CNBC, and Vince McMahon came up.Shapiro, Shapiro, TKO, CEO.And according to WrestleMania,the latest disclosure showed Vince McMahon still has8 million TKO shares just under 5% of the company.
01:06:42But let's go to this quote.Yes, he's a small-time player these days.Since we're talking about Vince, one question about Vince,he's not a part of the company anymore.He's sold out.You still hear from him at all?I had breakfast with him a few weeks ago, just to check in.Been a long time.
01:06:58Haven't heard from him at all.Obviously, the series on Netflix came out.I wanted to see kind of where he was.By the way, he couldn't have been more cooperative.He couldn't have been nicer.I mean, he was a total pro at breakfast, if you will.It's a one-on-one get-together.But he's out of the business entirely.
01:07:13He doesn't make decisions.He's not on the board.He doesn't opine.We don't consult him.He's got some litigation that he's working through.And frankly, he wants the privacy.and the time to work through it, which is great because in the meantime, we're going to keepbuilding TKO and WWE and expanding the horizon, expanding the opportunities. And by the way, he's still
01:07:34a shareholder. Not the shareholder he once was, but he's still a shareholder. But he's supportive of thedirection WWE is going in and is gone. Couldn't have been more positive, but I wasn't asking forhis opinion. Well, let's stop it there. Vince at breakfast. What are your thoughts? Well, first of all,he's a complete pro at breakfast.I mean, the way he ordered the eggs Benedict, my God,like he'd been doing it for years.Yeah, that was an interesting guy.He's a complete pro at breakfast.
01:08:02Yeah.He keeps a professional at breakfast.I would never dare go to lunch or dinner with this man.No, but at breakfast, he keeps it completely professional.It was a one-on-one, most one-on-one professional encountersare illegal in that state.But nevertheless,And he says that, of course, he's completely supportive, but I didn't ask his opinion.
01:08:25I mean, I didn't ask him what he had to say.I didn't give a shit, right?That little boom in at the end.He was ready, though.He was like, he doesn't opine.We don't ask him.He's not there.I know this guy, that's what I've said.
01:08:37This guy is smooth because even Vince, everybody talked about how smooth Vince was when he waswhen he was younger before the slowdown came.and but he was always why he would throw in hishis little phrases likeand notwithstanding and neverthelessand things like thatbut this guy was just right out with itbang bang bang bang you can see he could sell you a
01:09:01fucking car this guyold C-O ShapirobutVince say hello to your C-O-Oand then they pipethe music over the fucking...It's interesting.So he owns under 5%.
01:09:20He doesn't have any voting power.He doesn't have a voice in the company.Yet after the Netflix special came out,Mark Shapiro still sought him out to,I guess fly to either Connecticut or Florida.I don't know where he is.And have breakfast with him.Well, but now we don't know that potentially
01:09:35Shapiro was in the town or Vince was in the townto do other business.And one would think that one of these...Oh, yeah. I have business downtown.You sounded like fucking Kool-Aid man there at that.I'll be in a meatpacking district.Now, wait a minute.Meat or fudge.
01:09:54Which packing are you talking about?What I'm trying to say to you isthey could have been merely ships passing in the same town in the nightand didn't fly across the country to see one another or whatever the fuck.The point is, is Mark Shapiro again?One of the Hollywood types, one of the big agents, one of the movers and shakers,they're always on the horn, on the phone with everybody, keeping an eye on everybody.Vince McMahon, as Shapiro was imminently aware of, has at least $2 billion,
01:10:35and he's a guy that he's done business with.If you know a guy that you've done business with that has $2 billion, you're going todrop him a line everynow and then say, hey, what are youdoing and how much money you got typeof thing? Just to keepit on where it is.So I'm not surprised
01:10:57at all. They have tokeep track of what's going on.That's whyI'm not in this fucking ratrace of chasing these billionairesaround. See, I can just sit back and analyzethis. Okay, so let's end it with this.Hypothetical, based on what you just heard there,
01:11:13what we know about how muchhe has in terms of cash, let alone, you know, 5% or less than 5% of the company here,if he gets a pardon and he starts up, you know, he's doing whatever he is with his own people,do you still think we're 100% done with Vince McMahon ever appearing on WWETV?I don't think the pardon will make it.The pardon will make a lot of difference for Vince.But I don't think the pardon would make a difference from a PR or,since. And again, at Vince's age, and what's he going to look like in three or four years,
01:11:59I mean, it may have opened the door somewhat a crack, but, you know, I don't think it's going to bestill anytime soon, certainly not, because there's still suits being filed. And how long isthis, and the federal investigation, and then after that, no matter what happens withthe federal investigation,Janelle Grant's suit is still going to go forward.So it's going to be a whilebefore he would be free of any kind of litigationthat I would think they would want him on television
01:12:35because then they might be thinking,fuck, if we put him on TV, what are we going to hear next week?See, if they put him on TV, it would backfire,I mean, it would backfire for a number of reasons,and I don't think they should do it, and I hope they don't.But if they ever did, it would cause people to instantly think he'sinvolved at the top level again.Because no one would think that you would see him on that show if he wasn't doing something.
01:12:57Maybe they could just have a wax figure of him made and have a Mr. McMahon's office exhibitand just have people sit in there at random.Unfortunately, right now he seems to be the living embodiment of the wax figure of VinceMcMahon.That's right.We wouldn't be able to tell which was which, would we?Well, you know, Jim, maybe part of the problem is all those nights that Vince claims heworked throughout the night.
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01:17:38Possibly it's just the sounds in your own mind.Jim, another story, if we can call it that, I don't know,was sent to us by a number of listeners,and several people sent different links.I have a few of them open here,and I'm trying to get a wrap around these issues.Have you been following Jake Hager's behavior on Twitter,I guess is the best way of putting it?
01:17:59No, again, you know, it's been a busy news week.I haven't had time to hop on the Hager beat and find out,is he still around?Where's he at?What's going on with him?I think last we heard he wasI don't know if he was released or they just didn't renew his contractbut there was a parting of ways a while back we heard about
01:18:19he apparently maybe the highest paidwrestler per match or per appearance in the history of the worldbecause what he's been there for five yearsuntil he was released or escaped or whatever recentlybut he'd pop up like every six months he'd see himand then he was gone.And nobody was clamoring for him to come back.So what,
01:18:44what's the deal?Again, I'm not exactly sure what started this.Apparently on Election Day,there was a tweet from Jake Hager.It was an image of someone votingwith a comment,not his comment, it was attached to the image.Dad voting for Kamala
01:19:03in hopes that one day his granddaughter can be aborted.And Jake HaderWhat theJake Hader tweeted that and saidHope this triggers all the commiesOh noSo he really is one of those all the wayIsn't he?
01:19:20And I guess he got someAnd what is a communistHave to do with abortion?That's a good point actuallyI mean honestlyThat's not one of the things they were known forCarl Marx wasn't sitting around talking about abortionsNo and the
01:19:36You know the women that needabortions in Orangeburg, South Carolina are probably not communist.Well, apparently, Mr. Hager received some negative feedback.I love all the women's rights wrestling fans coming at me, because I'm against killing babiesthat are alive.Y'all are the same ones that said women needed a shot to be safe.It wasn't their body, Ben.He's one of them, too.
01:20:06Good Lord.these verbatim, yes, I am support Trump.Yes.Wait a minute, what time of day or night?Is that listed as to what time?Was this very early in the morning or?It doesn't have a time.It just says one hour ago from whenever someone took this screenshot.
01:20:29Yes, I am support Trump.Yes, I am support Trump.Yes, I'm against killing babies.I guess that makes me a racist.again nonothese issues don't have anythingdo with each other because the women
01:20:46would want to have abortionsbecause they need themand it's health careare either white or blackor any color of the rainbowand they don't have to be communistso what is he's mixing his metaphorsa reminder chris jericho
01:21:05to totally con would be a good idea to hire this guyBut he replied to someone, I don't know who this is, they wrote, I'm going to ask you this completely seriously, what do you as a man know about a woman's body, and why do you as a man think you get any control over it?Like, have we considered all the uses for abortions?How there are medical, dot, dot, dot, dot, it cuts off there and I can't see it.Right.Jake Hager retweeted that.I know.Trying to speak some sense to this raving lunatic.
01:21:37know a woman doesn't get to define murder because it's inconvenient to their life.Oh my God.So then someone replied, you don't know the first fucking thing about what you're talking about,to which Hager said, okay, you're the only one who gets information.Well, that's like the old Steve Allen line.Do they get your program in Cleveland?Well, they get it, but I heard they watch it, but I'm not sure they get it.What is he to?
01:22:05Again, nobody's killed.killing live babies, first of all, which is ludicrous, but they're killing live women who can'tget the dead babies or babies that are soon to be dead removed in time because the doctorsdon't want to go to prison.Do you think he's wearing his purple hat as he tweets these out?Well, he never leaves home without it.Well, this is where it got really interesting.A couple of tweets here, Jim.
01:22:33Tony Kahn is someone who threatened my job if I didn't stop promoting.my Trump.He...My Trump.He, instead of is, it's J.S.He is a communist.Oh, my.I'll read that to you again.
01:22:49Tony Kahn is someone who threatened my job if I didn't stop promoting my Trump.He is a communist.And the next...What does that have to do with...No, don't say this bad shit stuff while you work for me.where you're a communist,especially one of the most well-paid,undeserved jobs in history of wrestling.
01:23:14He may have a point herewithout us even really thinking about it.Who has given away more of the wealth than Tony Carr?Well, there's another tweet here.Why do all these simpletons think that everybody's a communistbecause they want a decent,rational world?I don't.
01:23:36And this guy has a wife, doesn't he?Didn't he have a wife or a girlfriend or significant other that was wandering around with him?She was on AEW a few times.That's what I'm saying.Yes.He thinks that way about her.Well, you don't get to commit murder just because it's inconvenient for her life or your life or whatever the...What a fucking prize he must be.
01:23:58Well, another tweet that unfortunately he didn't really follow up on.I'll tell you that right now.Do you want proof that Tony Khan is a communist?Oh, yes, we do.And threaten me to be silent or else?Or else?Is Tony Khan threatening murder now?What is this?
01:24:16Tony Khan can't tell guys no to their ideas.He's going to rub out Jake Hager.Yeah, the fucking pockets and fucking all the rest of the Lollipop Guild walk in there and come out with whatever they want and they've picked Tony's pocket.But Jake Hager, the MMA fighter, goes in.bow down or else motherfuckerHey QT I had one more thing I had to ask youHave you ever killed anyone?Could you just
01:24:45Just make him disappearAnd then as a follow up to all of thisI guess where the story kind ofWell there was no proof thenGiven laterAnd no proofThere was no proof suppliedAlthough it was promised about Tony Kahn being a comment
01:25:01We're still open to seeing the proofIf you're listening Jake HagerIf you have proofplease deliver it, we would give it an honest interpretation on the air.If you've got papers, now the documentary, is he a, or a Marxist, or a Leninist, or any kind ofist?Well, there's a wrestling company called Blitzkrieg Pro.Of course there is.I'm not too familiar with them or where exactly.
01:25:26They are. Let me see if it says where they are.They are established...Apparently over the skies of London.Northern Connecticut Western Mass.Oh, well, they're the clothes.Jake Hager will no longer be appearing on December 14th in Enfield, Connecticut.On top of sponsors no longer being willing to work with him,we also just have to do what we think is right for our roster and fans.
01:25:51We're going to get to work on a replacement ASAP.However, a few people that are signed to appear,and then he lists a bunch of other wrestlers,um, none, uh, none with the notoriety.I guess of a Jake Hager.Is that diejack on theposter? I'm not sure, butthere it is. Now he's losing
01:26:14bookings over this apparently.He's losing brain cellsfirst, though. What the...Did he get drunkcelebrating his, my Trump,his Trump's victory, and justblurt out a bunch of stupid shit?Or does he
01:26:29act this way normally? And that'swhy Tony Kahn said,hey, quit saying stupid shit.or they'll be canceling my shows instead of your indie bookings.Jake Hager retweeted apparently an accountant VP Comics.You are a disgrace, Blitzkrieg pro.Such a disappointment to the pro wrestling communityand to your paying fans by depriving them of an attraction they paid to see.
01:26:58That is the first time that phrase has ever been attached to Jake Hager.All because you're salty and snowflake a moment.about real Jake Hager supporting the new POTUS, along with 71.6 million.It didn't really seem like it had anything to do with him supporting Donald Trump.It was just him running, running his mouth, running his Twitter like crazy, it seemed like.He was running something all right.Well, do you think that's the last we'll hear from Jake Hager?No, no, he sounds like he's got a Billy Jack Haynes kind of future.
01:27:32I think we'll hear a lot more from this fucking guy.the line that popped me when I went back inwhen I was doing the editing on the show,the Valvenous segment, whatever you said,he's a conspiracy, now this is that,with a hint of Billy Jack Haynes.Just a touch.The hint. The hint is what
01:27:52put it over the time. Well, you knowwhat they say, CTE is a hell of adrug. Again,this guy had a job in AW for a very long timemaking a lot of money. He debutedon the very first dynamite, a lot of money.He worked for aHe wasn't complaining when Tony was giving him the money.
01:28:10He wasn't complaining then.Exactly.This non-patriotic turncoat traitor to America was taking money from a known communist.I think that somebody in the federal government ought to investigate old Jake Hager.I'm sure.Wouldn't that make him a communist?There's going to be a government agency to investigate citizens fairly soon.Let's get his name on the list.
01:28:35Wouldn't that make him a communist sympathizer?Yes.Jake Khrushchev?He was very sympathetic to the communist, Tony Kahn.So there you go.What about Jake Kohloff?That would be better.Well, there's maybe a charisma vacuum that will prevent him from reaching the heights of Nikita.
01:28:58What about just cough, just Jake off?Maybe that would be better.Well, we'll see where he ends up.Apparently Vince McMahon's hiring.So good luck, Jake Hager.Jim, let's get to some questions from the listeners here today.And actually, before we do that, now that I think about it, you did say you watched Monday Night Raw live on tape.Oh, now you change your story.
01:29:26I want to get this out of the way because, you know, it's raw in Saudi Arabia.It doesn't count.Well, yes, yes.And that's a, when it opened up, they're in Riyadh.I said, they're still there.You think there was some delay of the plane?Apparently not.No, I mean, in this case, they actually had a Monday night booking.
01:29:47I don't think there was a delay in the plane.All right, an emergency raw.Go back to the stadium.I'm just thinking maybe they said, hey, you can't leave just yet.Might as well stick around.But this was one of the, I mean, this could have been done on the telephone.I'm looking at my notes here.And besides the.
01:30:03again, the reliable bloodline segment.The opening of the show was Liv and Dom and Rochelle,a young man's journey through Minsk.A young woman's journey from Milan to Minsk.Well, she stopped over in between Milan and Minsk.Nevertheless, Live is the voice.she screeches the thing, the Valley Girl thing.Dominic starts to talk, they play the music,
01:30:40and outcome Jade and Bianca.And Jade and Bianca are not happybecause, you know, they crossed paths last week.So you want a piece of the tag team champions?And Liv said, why are you guys coming out all angry?And so what we've got is Liv doing a promoand the voice of a six-year-old girl.and the whole thing is to set up that Jade and Bianca aren't really friends like her and
01:31:14Rochelle Rochelle are old Rachel Rodriguez and what you know you're going to one of them isgoing to stab the other one in the back at any minute and Bianca says well we'll do this right nowand then Pierce the referees came out and said no you won't everybody has to leave now and thenthat's when Liv told Jadeto watch out for the knife that Bianca'sgoing to stick in her back and Biancaslapped Liv and thenPierce had to say okay well then
01:31:44in that case Liv you're going to defend the titleversus the winner of tonight's Battle Royaland the tag team champions are in the battle royaland it starts right nowand I'm like what the fuckand then we had 18 womenin the ring for a battle royalall 18 of them were wearing scuba diving outfits from head to toe
01:32:06it looked like Halloween at SeaWorldand thisthis was better than the first I don't say better in anyrespect this was longerthan the first half hour of the showand then they paid it off withJade and Biancatoprope the other two
01:32:31who they were left with E.O. Skyand lyric valedictorian,but they hung on the apronso that Jade and Bianca could stare at each otherto build anticipation like now they're going to have to fight,but they neither one should have ever thought for a secondthat they'd eliminated the other girlsbecause they were still on the apron.
01:32:54And of course, the heels came back in and boom and jumped themand interrupted it, so Jade and Biancahit their finishes on the other two girls,and went to dump them out.But there was Rachel at ringside and grabbed Bianca's six-foot ponytail.It was trying to pull her out, and Jade was holding on to her and Liv pulled both of them over.And now bear in mind, Liv and Rachel were not in the match, and it was right in front of the referee,but the announcers made the point of mentioning it's no disqualification.
01:33:31Lazy booking.just looks so bad when the referee has to stand there and stare slack-jawed because they've justthey don't care anymore they've just well everything's no dqs so we can do whatever we wantand then jaden bianca chase live and racheloff and the other two continued the matchand did the longest most choreographed bullshit apron bit back and forth teasing their eliminationthat I think has ever been done in wrestlingand then lyric fell off the end.34 minutes, your thoughts.
01:34:13Do you think this is too early to tease Jade and Bianca?Are they going to do anything at WrestleMania?Do you begin the tease now?Does that tell you they're not going to do anything then?I mean, what are your thoughts on any of that?They've got plenty of time for WrestleMania.And I'm not saying that it's even too early.it was just kind of blaselly done in that
01:34:36I think maybe they just wanted to see if the people would reactbut this was Saudi Arabia they didn't react for a minuteI don't know whether they got it or notand then they kind of started rumblingbut the heels were back in and blah blah blahbut no this wouldn't be this would neither be too earlynor too late for WrestleMania depending on the buildI mean they could do it at the Royal Rumble for
01:35:01fuck's sake or have some climacticissue at theRoyal Rumble. There's plenty of timebut Ithinkthat Jade needs to be the heelbecause she's more effective that waybut I almost think it would freshen
01:35:17Bianca up a little bitif they surprisedpeople becausehad goddamn hopping and skippingand smiley twirleyhairthingy I've justYeah, but you know what, that's worked so far?
01:35:34My problem would be, can you see Jade as a long-term baby face?Not really.That's what I was saying.It'd be easier and more expected if Jade was a heel.But at least they wouldn't be talking like that to each other all the time.Oh, girl!Oh, girl!I don't know, what the hell you're doing.
01:35:55Well, they do...It sounds so phony when they do all this backstage banter between the two of them.It's ridiculous.So that's why you want them to be broken up?No, I'm just saying at least we wouldn't have to hear any more of that.What else, what else, girl, did we have to hear on Raw?I'll tell you what, girl.Did you see the Wyatt video thing with Ms?
01:36:21Oh, yeah, the kidnapping, yeah.They picked the right country, I guess, to film that segment in.Oh, good Lord.I didn't even think about that.Where can we do an abduction and a kidnappingand maybe have a bone saw around?I don't know.How about Saudi Arabia?
01:36:39Taw, motherfucker, do a chair with duct tape over his mouth.Let's do it to Saudi Arabia.We checked the statutes.It's perfectly fine.Then Kofi and Woods were doing a promo in the backwhen all of a sudden the white video pops upand there is the Miz in a dark room tied to a chairwith a horror mask on.
01:36:57and Bo Dallas is off-camera reciting some kind ofEdga Island Poe bullshitwhat would this Edgar Island po bullshit be over withand then he pulls the horror mask offand Ms. has his mouth tapedand he pulls the tape offand Ms. is like you want the Final Testamentyou don't want me just what a gutless weasel right
01:37:22you want the final testament he'd be the only oneand he said it's all a misunderstanding i'm willing to forget all about thisand again bow dallas does some kind of was that maybe a shakespearean readingand in a guy in a mask apparently that may be uncle howdy it was very quick ran up frombehind and grabbed miss the end and i wrote this is the stupidest shit without a doubt thati have ever seen thoughts on that very out of placewith the Triple H, the Pola Vec era,this kind of stuff.
01:38:02This belongs in a past era,and I mean, I know it's mid-card,if that,but it doesn't fit inwith the tone of everything else.It belongs in the Ed Wood era.And is it,in this day and age,
01:38:21when people expect to be able to hearand see things clearly, is the treatmentof the old VHS taperolling and contorting,and converting or whatever,is that getting over with the young folks,or is that seen as avant-garde in some fashion?Most fearless people in wrestling,
01:38:39the cameraman with Moxley,the video editor with Bray Wyatt's crew.Especially when he has to say,I'm sorry, Mr. Wyatt,but it looks like the video looks like shit.We're going to have to leave all that,all a fucking distortion in.That's my look. Leave it.
01:38:56I mean, we really, that's the thing.And the other part of the problem is,WWE received this and said, yeah, let's air it.Yeah.Should we hand it to the authorities?Maybe Tuesday.Let's air it on Monday.As soon as we air it, we're going to immediately send it over to the police
01:39:13because that guy looks like he needs some fucking help.Please help me.Call police.Anyway, so that was that.And then the new day wrestled the War Vikings.And the War Vikings won.and son of a gun we were at nine o'clockthat was the first hour
01:39:33soSammy came to the ringSammy Zane at the nine o'clock hourand the people love him and he spoketo them and their languagetheir native tonguewhat is it Saudi Arabianese or whatlanguage do they speak over there? You know I'm not sure
01:39:53I'm not sure possibly moreplease help me don't saw my head onNo, no, I have a family.No, let me go.Think of the children.Yeah, that's the kind of language they speak.But anyway, and then he said in English, that's why I know what he said,that he was proud to come out before his people and speak their language.
01:40:17French Canadian?French and Montreal?What language exactly?That was like, wait a minute, you're happy to come out before all you French Canadians?and we established before and I've forgottenbecause it's confusing and it all revolves around religionso I don't care to begin withbut Sammy was on the outs over there
01:40:40he couldn't go over there because the people thatwere running the place were mad at his peoplebut now they're not mad at his people anymoreand his people are your people and your people are our peopleand we're all people.And the checks cash.And the checks cash.So then suddenly Jay's music interrupted, and the crowd went nuts.
01:41:03And here comes Jay, and he's over.And Jay tells Sammy thank you for helping me at Crown Jewel, you know,and I appreciate what you did for me, ooze, and blah, blah, blah,and I've got to ask you, was it an accident when you kicked Roman Raines in the face?and see that is going to be that's the thing that's the bone of contentionwas it an accident when they shot Marvin in the faceI'm sorry it's a wrong movie was it an accidentwhen he kicked Roman Rains in the face
01:41:39my man you shot Marvin in the fucking faceall Sammy had to say was don't you a peacockgo back and watch the footageas clear as day it was an accidentwell he was standing in the fucking ring at the timebut neverthelessso then when he asked that questionbefore Sammy can answer, Jimmy's music plays.
01:41:59And Jimmy comes in, pissed,because everybody saw it.Sammy Zane kicked Roman Rains in a face on purpose.And I'm pissed, and Roman's pissed,and you ought to be pissed too, Jay.And we can't trust this guy.So now, here, again, you know,the dissension is rearing its ugly head in the bloodline,
01:42:22but Sammy bowed up at JimmyYou?You?That's exactly what he did.You of all peopleare trying to say you can't trust me.You're the one and then they went back to the angleand you know what it fits.
01:42:45You brought me in the family to begin with.You're the one that kicked me in my face.You kicked Roman in the faceand you kicked Jay in the face.So why aren't you the one?that we can't trust.And then, yes,you made bad decisions before.
01:43:04But at Crown Jewel for a minute,just a minute there,it felt like old timeswhere we were all standing together,fighting for the common good.Maybe Sammy's a communist.Well, that's what Valvinus said.Valvinus accused them of being, uh...
01:43:19That's true because he stood togetherand fought for the common good at Crown Jewel.Shit, he's going to AEW then.and then they're all going to be a bunch of commies down there.God damn commies.But anyway.Said you were a commie too, by the way.Well, I'll tell you.
01:43:38Comrade.Comrade, Cornet.I hate all them other fucking commies,because they're even comier than I am.But Sammy finally said,I'm not going to have my integrity and my morality and my motives questioned anymore.I love you, Jay, but I can't do this again.I can't go through.
01:43:56it, I'm out.And Sammy's leaving to walk that aisle.And then Jay, Jay says, Sammy,Sammy, please don't go.Don't go.Don't go. Don't go away.If you leave, at least in my lifetime,I will leave in the next minute.
01:44:16I'll have that one dream come through.Is that I could be lovedby someone as wonderful as you.Please don't go.he said please don't go to Sammydid you godid you go awayor are you still there Brian
01:44:34hold on me remove these Q-tips that I stuckas far into my ears as I couldhello well you know sometimesyou can you can get a little tickle out of thatif you go in deep enough oh let me try thatyeah and it'sas a matter of fact if you go right till you feel your brainand then go just a little bit deeper it feels
01:44:52fucking great oh I'll let you know how it feelsand let me know if you can still speak English afterwardsbut anyway so Jay asked Sammysaid please come to SmackDownplease come to Smackdownfor the springtimewill stay up in the mountainsso far that we can't be found
01:45:12did you put the Q-tips back inI guess he didso Sammy said please come to SmackdownSammy to talk it outwith Romanand the whole ganggang and Jaytold Jimmy
01:45:29that Sammy is familyand the people startedchanting Sammy, ooh soand all that type of thingthe end.So another incredibledramatic reading, aremission if you will, a perpetration
01:45:48of an Oscar Wildstage playadapted byOscar Levantwith a Hammersteinwith Rogers and Hammerstein scoreit's an expensive crew herewhat'd you think
01:46:03you know it was all rightthe only thought is it feels like you knowit's like a reunion of everything from years agobut it worked then and so far so good nowso you're saying it's deja vu all over againyes yogi that's what I'm sayingall right well hey thank you boo boo booso then we got Chad Gable and Dragon Lee but I forgot to pay attention
01:46:28and apparently Guntheris given Ludwig Kaiser some tough love becauseKaiser was doing a promo where he said that Cody got luckyand that was all it was but Gunther cut him off and put Cody over and saidthat night he was the better maneither he said he was the butter man he said the eggs and butter businessnow, possibly bought a dairy, I'm not sure.But
01:46:56Gunther had one good line about tonight'sfour way. You have threevery capable performers and Dom.So even the heels give Dominicabsolutely no respect.But Gunther said it's upto me to do better and helooked at Kaiser and he said we both
01:47:16have to do better. So there's tensionthere andpoor Kaiser.He's always getting pushed around.But then it was time for the main event.I swear to God,I have described this whole program.They could have telegraphed this in,
01:47:37much less phoned it in.The main eventwas a winner is the number onecontender match. That's a revolutionarything they've never had before.Damien Priest versusSeth Franklin Rollins versusDominic Mysterio versus Seamus.
01:47:55And the entrances took 10 complete minutesand they still rang the bell with 20 minutes on the air.So, I mean, would you like a complete blow-by-blow, move-by-move,breakdown of this 20-minute long four-way matcher?You want to just let me fast forward you to the last five minutes where somethinghappens.that sounds good.Okay, well, all of a sudden, Bronson Reed showed up
01:48:25and grabbed Seamus and Priest and ran them into the ringposts down on the floor,and Cess saw him and they got in a fight,and Bronson Reed cleared the announced desk off,but Priest and Seamus got back up and got on Bronson Reed,and Reed rolled into the ring and starts beating up Priest and Seamus again,again they're so well it's no DQthis guy's beating people up that's in the matchhe's not even in the match and you've created a situation
01:48:59where the referee just has to stand there and look at itand it's it's justbut anyway heso for the integrity of the match not so goodbut to get Bronson read overit's good he splashed priesthe splashed Shamus my Godhe splashed priest
01:49:19and then he executed the splash on Seamusand then he splashed Seththrough the fucking announce deskand this is greatand then Dominicsplashes Seamus off the top ropeone, two and pre-saved himand I'm like what the fuck
01:49:45I'm like Jesus Christthat was out of nowhereand I guess they wanted to give Dom somethingbut then Dominic goes to the toplike he's going to splash somebodyand Priest got up and chokeslamed himor grabbed him in a choke slamand chokeslamed him one, two, three.
01:50:03So it would have been greatif Dominic had got the windand the cheapest of fashions after everybodyhad written him offwith that behind the back splash therebut instead they went with priestbut you can't have Dominic against Gunther.Well, that was raw.
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01:56:07More about our friends at Select Quote in the future.Jim, let's get it.to some questions here on the show.The ones we're going to go to todayare part of a thread on the CulticornetFacebook group.Max Heronwants to know
01:56:21how much can one trulyseparate the art from the artist?I just want to sit down and enjoysomething like WrestleMania 18but I can't without thinkingwhat a shit stump Hulk Hoganis.So Jim, whether it's Hulk Hogan
01:56:38or whether it's even stuff outside of wrestling,separating the art from the artist?I mean, I don't, you know,I was never a fan of Hogan's matches to begin with,so it didn't necessarily hurt my feelingswhen he turned out to be a lunatic.I mean, there's some cases,you know, do you have a personal dog in the fight?
01:57:04Is someone done something that offends your personal particular piccadillo's,or was it that, you know, he just turned out to be a general assholeand somewhat of a disappointment to the world at large.I think if you read a book or watch a documentary about almost any personin any entertainment or sports or whatever,there was something wrong with 75 or 80% of them at leastthat you could pick out as being something that you couldn't separate,the art how was it phrased the artist from the person or whatever from the artist yeah yeah but
01:57:45you know try not to think about it at that time and of course you know i've tried to take my ownadvice i'll tell i loved the tv series fraser and i think it's one of the funniest fucking tv showsthat uh that uh that i or comedy series that have been on the air and i thought oh kelsie grammar isfucking, he's smart and with itand witty and hilarious.And of course I found out he's aTrumper and now I don't really want to watch the showanymore.
01:58:18Because that's, you know, that's the bridge too farfor me.But,you know, I guess to this question, you're sayingyou can separate.I was good. Well, but I, but I, at the same time,I can, I can watchChris Benoit matches
01:58:34because I kneweverybody involved. And at onepoint, you know, he wasn't crazy.See, I can't. That's one of my lines is Chris Benoit.See, that's the thing. Did you really know him beforehand or do you just know of what he did?No, it's the idea of sitting there and he was one of my favorites. I enjoyed his matches and watchingstuff I enjoyed with someone who is a reprehensible human being who did awful things.It's hard. I can't, you know, it's hard to do.
01:59:04Okay, well, and I can agree with that. And also becauseI don't want to say this the wrong way,but it wasn't like I was,Chris Benoit was a,I was a huge fan of his,because I was already in the business before him.And so it wasn't like I watched his matches for great enjoyment.I was,
01:59:24this was part of my work.And I liked my interaction with him as a personseveral years before he went out of his mind.So I remember thinking that when everything happened.I'm like, man, he was friends with Hildebrand.You know, and I thought, I thought the world of Brian Hildebrand and, you know,there's little things like that that really fucked with me.Yeah, and see, that's the thing, you know, when you have experiences like that with somebody,
01:59:50you have a different outlook on separating one from another or when you just,I always thought that guy was cool, but he's a fucking asshole.And it's like, eh.And so it just depends.Jim, another question from the Colta Cornette Facebook group,was sent in by Manny Rivera,if they ever hadmania in Louisville
02:00:13and Punk wanted Jim to be his manageragainst Roman and Paul Heyman,would he make a one-night returnto work with people he likes at a big payday?Oh, good Lord.Where are they going to have mania in Louisville?By the way, at Redbirds Stadiumwhere the fucking minor league ball team plays or whatever.
02:00:34Kentucky Downs.There is no.No, Kentucky Down.What is it called there?Churchill Downs, excuse me.Kentucky Downs.Oh.I, that is never going to be a thing that ever takes place.
02:00:57But yeah, if they want to give me a WrestleMania payoff to manage punk at Churchill Downs in Louisville, I'll do it.Big payday.would you do it anywhere else?Well, I might go as far as Bowling Green,but then they're going to have to start kicking in paying trans after that.I'm talking big payday.You're going to be a manager in the main event of WrestleMania.You'll be sending in promos from home for a few weeks shot by Hotchkis Featherbottom.
02:01:26Okay, as long as I can drive.And hey, for a big enough payday, I'll leave a couple hours or a couple days beforehand,so I've got a pretty good range there.All right, I feel like we almost have a deal here.So if it's in Florida...Basically, we've almost...Well, not Florida now.You said if you could drive.
02:01:45You said if you can...Yeah, but look at the state of Florida now.I'm not talking about the state of Florida.I'm talking about the state of Florida.All right, if they do...Well, it's WrestleMania we're talking about.So there's only limited locations.They would really...
02:01:55You're not going to drive the Minneapolis.Well, now we've gone from Churchill Downs to goddamn Minneapolis?Well, no, they're not going to do it there because of weather.That was SummerSlam they're doing there.Well, nevertheless.Now, I'll go.Vegas.I'll go. So now the deal is almost done.
02:02:09We just got to get the paperwork from the office.All right. Our next question, Jim, sent via the Calta Cornette Facebook group by Keith Oakey.Is he from Muskogee?Should Larry's Abiscoe have had an intercontinental title run after turning on Bruno?Oh, well, good Lord, that came out of nowhere.He's been thinking about it a long time.A long time. It was 1980, but he was.wanted to carefully formulate the wording of his question.
02:02:43I mean, I don't see what the benefit would have been to anybody because, I mean,and you're the WWF expert, Brian, so correct me if I'm wrong, but number one,Zubisco was making a lot more money working with Bruno than he would have with the IC titleat any point.secondly, didn't he leave the territory after the program with Bruno was over with because the,well, I mean, I know they got Hansen out because he had so much heat after the rematches with Bruno over the broken neck thing.Hansen told me himself that they didn't move him down the car.They just sent him out because they didn't want somebody to fucking kill him.
02:03:30But Zabiscoe left right after that program, didn't he?I believe he was there through the end of 80because there are matches with him in Backlandand I guess the puzzling thing has always beenwhy didn't Zabisco get more of a run after Bruno?The Bruno program did record business.Zabisco really came into his own as a heel promo.It was working.
02:03:52There wasn't like a big feud with Backland or anything.There wasn't anything else.He was just gone.And I think maybe the thing that was the biggest asset to himalso was the thing that could hurt him, which was the relationship with Vince Sr. and Bruno.And remember, Bruno left shortly after that, too. He ended up suing.Yeah.The lawsuit was settled in 84 as part of the settlement was Vince McMahon Jr., made Bruno a commentator,
02:04:23hired David San Martino, and at the time, the rumor was, they were also going to hire Zabisco.and that never happened.He went to the AWA after Georgia,ended up marrying Vern Ganya's daughter.But there was never,for someone who did record business in the territory,for someone who did record businessin the biggest territory in the country,
02:04:46for money and for, you know,just fan population,they never did anything else with them ever again.It's weird.Yeah, and well, I mentioned Hanson earlier.Did Hansen ever do?go back.Yeah, he worked a feud with Backland.
02:05:02That's right, he did.And what, 82-ish-3-ish?81-82.81-82.Yeah.But yeah, well, but you know what?That was kind of a moment in time.And I don't mean to disparage Larry's contributions, but could that have been
02:05:23Ken Tim's as Bruno's protege that turned on him and clocked him?with a chair and they'd still drawnsignificant amount of money.Zubisco's promos put it overthe top. Yes and no. Anyone workinga program like that, a feud like thatwith Bruno San Martino in 1980,it was going to be big. But with Zabisco, there was the
02:05:43legitimate, if you'd beenwatching wrestling for the lasteight years, ten years in New York,you had seen Zabisco on that show.It was always said that he was from Pittsburgh.He was Bruno's protege. He wasa big tag team champion. So it wasn'tlike here's this guy
02:06:01here's Eddie Gilbert is Bob Backlin'sprotege and then he turns on him after like twoweeks, you know what I mean? Oh no, and Iagree with you. I'm not saying that. I'm sayingbecause it was Zabisco and hewas the protege and that was the angleit could have been anybody else if they hadlegitimately been the protege.
02:06:19Zabisco did a great job with itbut anybody could have drawnmoney in that position.The point I'm wondering isis either did Juniorwas Junior not a fan of Zabisco's,or did they just not think thathe would work in the territory with anybody
02:06:37other than the personal connection with Brunowho was gone and on the outs with him?That's what's crazy is that they didn't even try.They didn't even try a feud with him and Backland,anything with him and Pedro,and Pedro would come back for the Intercontinental title or anything.They never tried anything again with Zabin.Here's your one shot, kid.
02:06:54All right, we're going to set a record business across the territory.All right, we'll call you if we have anything.else.Yeah, thanks for your contributions.We'll never see you again.All right, well, that did not answer that question, but we got something out of it.This next one will do.This one, Jim, was sent via the Culta Cornette Facebook group by Ken Brzezinski.
02:07:18Who are some of the wrestlers you came up with who would be able to adapt to today's morephysical style, and some who might not be able to?I think your classic characters like Hogan or Stingmight not be able to take a series of chops from Gunther,but I do feel like guys like Brett Hart, Kurt Hennig,and the like might welcome the physicality of it.Well, yeah, and see, that's...Today, the style is not more physical.
02:07:47The style is more dangerous.And there's a different style of offensethat is involved.I mean, I, you know, I would routinely,he talked about the guys I came up with,routinely if it was Bobby Eaton and Ronnie Garvinor Wahoo McDaniel or whatever,in Fayetteville, North Carolina,
02:08:10they were hitting and chopping and forearmingand landing shit much more stifflyand safe places than most of the stuffyou see on TV today from either company.but at the same time nobody was being thrown through, you know, furniture or, you know,taking these ridiculous bumps off the top rope to the floor or be diving.That's the real physical.When he says would they be able to adapt to the physicality of today, the matches and the
02:08:43wrestlers were actually more physical than when he says like Hogan wouldn't have done it.Go watch Hogan's Japanese stuff.He took plenty of chops.Well, yeah, but then the thing is you can point out, you know,a guy or two in any company or territory,you know, after Jimmy Valiant got to be a baby face icon in Memphis and North Carolina,his,he could have elbow dropped an egg and it would have been fine.
02:09:09And nobody was, you know, there were certain guys that,as we've talked about with Stone Cole, Steve Austin's mud hole stomp,they looked like shit, but nobody cared because he's over.there were guys that had weak shitand sometimes it was the top guy that he had to take care ofbut up and down the cardnot in any one particular companybut in every company
02:09:31the standard match was more physicalmore hard hittingstiff or whateverthere's more contactwith more force in wrestling in the territory daysthan there is nowin the wrestling part of itAnd where the guys get hurt is in the diving and the furnitureing and the leaping off high things,
02:09:56which was not done.So it wasn't even an aspect of the business in those days.See, that's the physicality.Gunther would be able to go back in time and work with Rick Flair, Johnny Valentine,Wahoo McDaniel, Ricky Steamboat.But those guys wouldn't be able to come forward and work with the Young Bucks, Jack Perry, Orange Cassidy.It works the opposite way.and the physicality of what they're doing is,
02:10:21you know, I'm going to land on your headwhen I dive on the four people that are a fool.Yeah.Or I'm going to land on your head when you're laying in the middle of the ring.They do that a bunch too.So that's, you know, it's completely different things.And that's why that I disparage most of the actual wrestling match these daysbecause that part is a shit that looks fake.
02:10:45And the part that they're really damaging each other,with the dives and the furniture and the stuff,that most of the time looks fake toobecause it's so complex,you've got to show obvious cooperationto set the shit up.Or elsewise, you've justthumbed this guy in the eye
02:11:04and that's the reason why he's laying on a top of a tablefor a minute and a half motionless.All right, Jim, our next question sent via the cult of cornetFacebook group was sent by Joseph Anthony.Jim's thoughts on if they should do a Survivor Series match, TNA versus NXT.I don't know whether NXT could survive that one in the ratings or not.Well, at Survivor Series, not on TV.I was just trying to make a pun, trying, failing.
02:11:40At Survivor Series, you know, I can see them potentially putting, and I'm not saying it's going to happen.I'm saying in any year's Survivor series,I could see them putting an NXT team inwith guys or girls or whoever that they have pushedand that they're thinking about elevating to the next level.But I don't see featuring a T&A teamwhich has a specific much smaller audienceon your giant, you know, worldwide pay-per-view on Pacaque!
02:12:17etcand you knowunless they were just used asthe NXT jobbersto put the NXT team overand thenhow does it really help TNAwhen four of their people
02:12:31just got to shit kicked out of themI like they're doing a little crossoverevery once in a whileon the TNA TVand or sending somebodyback and forth or whateverbut I don't know if it would beit wouldn't be a big attraction to anybody on pay-per-view.
02:12:50It would be an attraction to the audience that's already watching the paperviews,wouldn't it?The really dedicated fans that know who these people are.Yeah, I don't think WWE's like, oh, if we can only pick up some of that TNApay-per-view audience.Yeah.So, I mean, they could do it, but then I think a lot of their own talent would be like,fuck, I ain't booked on Survivor Series, and are these fucking
02:13:16guys come?Jim, our next question from the Colt of CornetteFacebook group was sent in by DavidMelendez.If in the 1990s,Paul Heyman had a billionaire dad like TonyCon, how different would haveECW been?
02:13:34How do you think he would have spent the money to competewith Vincent Bischoff?Oh, God, I...So here's the question, Paul Heyman, if his dad was a billionaire,willing to give him as much money as he wantedfor anything. I do not want to try to have the task of getting inside Paul Heyman's voluminoushead or psychoanalyzing him as to what he would have done with a billion dollars.I think he would have had a lot more top wrestlers under contract and probably would have
02:14:06run a few bigger buildings and probably would have still done everything himself and probablywould have still been late with everything because he was doing everything himself andmissed all his deadlinesandyou know, probablythat's the thing isa billion dollars you can doanything.
02:14:29He would have certainly done a muchbetter job than Tony Kahnslash AEW.It would have been a much better wrestlingproduct. It would have got the mostout of the least of the talent.But still would he have crossed the lineand got kicked off of some network that he got on.
02:14:48Or TV rights, fees were not a thing then like they are now.Would even Paul Heyman have said,well, just because I can spend $500 million to make $50 million back,does that mean I should do it?Well, you know, the one thing that hurt ECW,well, there are a lot of things that hurt them in the end,but early on they started losing talent to WCW and WWE.if Paul Heyman had that kind of money
02:15:15you would think that you wouldn't have had Ravenjumped to WCWright when they had everything going with him and Tommy Dreamerthe Sandman jump public enemyI think public enemy may have been first actuallywell yeah but think about thisif if Paul had aunlimited financial backer from the start
02:15:34would any of those guys even havewould it have made a shit if they leftwould they have been created or would have Paul justexactly would he have beenwould he have created them from indie guysbecause he couldn't afford guysthat were national stars?So would it have mattered
02:15:51because it would have it,would it have ever happened?It probably not.He would have, Paul knows talent.He didn't just decidethese are the best guys in the worldfor me to get for my wrestling company.It was the same thing as me and Smoggy Mountain Wrestling
02:16:07with a different geography.These are the guys that I can afford to getthat aren't with the big wrestling companies.So if he didn't have to worry about money,he'd have probably had half the WCW rosterand a couple of the WWF guys.But then, and you can ask me this in a second,but then to put an exclamation point on that,
02:16:29just because he would have had the money to buy them,doesn't mean that he would have because Paul Heyman,even though the thing that everybody's always saidis the drawback he had was he was a horrible businessman.He's still a better businessman and Tony Kahn in a wrestling business.So would he have overpaid for talent just to get him?I don't know.If you had had a billionaire father for Smoky Mountain Wrestling,
02:16:57what's the one thing you would have taken,if you just had unlimited capital,where's the one area you would have dedicated some money?Was it just to get more TV?Yes.again, that's the thing is if we could have got on televisionin enough big markets, there wasn't another problem.So it wouldn't be like I needed a billion dollars.
02:17:20In four years, we probably didn't spend $2 million of Rick Rubin's money.So you wouldn't need a billion dollars, but to get on televisionin Charleston, Huntington, West Virginia, back then it was still $1,800 a weekif you would just buy an hour in a good daytime slot.So I would have done what we did in Knoxvilleand to a lesser extent in Johnson City,but I would have done it in Charlotteand Asheville, Greenville, Spartanburg,
02:17:51and Chattanooga, and Lexington, Kentucky,and Charleston, Huntington, and Roanoke,just get on television and then start running the building.We were making money overall in Knoxville,Because it was a big enough town and we could run once a month and people would actually come to it.But we couldn't get enough of those big towns.So, yes, I mean, the first thing, I mean, I would have obviously, if I had unlimited money, the TV shows would have, we would have then taped every two weeks instead of once a month and do four shows in one night.We'd have taped, you know, potentially if I could have done the workload with unlimited money,
02:18:37we might have taped every week.But that wasn't really necessary in those days.Every couple of weeks was easier for everybody and didn't make a fuck in terms of the ratings.And I would have also tried to pay the guys a little better than what I did.There wasn't any need to rent different buildings becauseI've mentioned this. We talked about the Smoky Mountain days before.The Knoxville Civic Coliseumwas a 6,500 seat building in the middle of downtown Knoxville
02:19:14and fully staffed the rentand the ticket master charges that it was like $2,500.So try to rent a goddamn place to have a bar mitzvahor a wedding reception now for $2,500.So it's not like we needed toSpend more money on buildings.We had the buildings.We needed the TV.
02:19:39Jim, our next question sent once again to the Call to Cornet Facebook group.This was sent by Rick Beerbauer.Who taught Jim as...Rick Beerbelly.Rick Beerbauer.According to this, he's a rising contributor on the Culta Cornet Facebook page, whatever that means.A rising contributor?Has he got a little chubby now, or what?
02:20:00Will you leave him a little?What is your problem with?everyone today. Here's his question. If he's got a beer belly, how can he tell whether he's got a littlelead to his pencil? He's not a beer belly, he's Beer Bauer, and let's go to Beer Bauer's questionhere. Bealbom. Who taught Jim his working punch? It's almost reminiscent of Scott Hall or the Rock,in my opinion. Okay, I don't see that. Because for one thing, they both did that open handbullshit.Nobody
02:20:30sent me down one day and saidlittle Jimmy, today we're going to do the punch.You know,and I'm going to revealthis wisdom to you.But I grew up watching JerryLawler and Jackie Fargo from the timeI was 10 years old or whatever.
02:20:49And I'm managing BobbyEaton.And there was also something to be said forTerry Funk, who I was a huge fan of.and all those guys, you know, you kind of absorb things by osmosis if you pay attention to what they're doing.And I just kind of, you know, put that into what I was doing.And it got to the point where by the time that all those guys were gone from the business,and I was about ready to be gone from the business, I was a 50-year-old.
02:21:27old guy throwing the most credible looking fucking punch in the goddamn wrestling industry.But just because nobody else, a lot of these guys just do it as a thing to do while they'retalking to somebody.I'm going to punch you five times in the face while you're backing up and I'm calling a spotand I'm paying more attention to what we're going to do than what we're actively doing.But if the whole idea of every time you do it is to draw back and throw something and simulate thecontact as much as possible and follow through with your body and get as much out of it as you canand not think five steps ahead that it's easier to do.
02:22:08And you've also got to not have somebody that's covering up.Because remember we talk about all these guys now they get on top of a guy and they turtle up into a balland they just throw windmill punches at their general direction and nothing lands that everythinglooks fake.You've got to have an open targetand that guy's got to trust youfromnight after night of doing it
02:22:34that he's not going to knock your fuckingteeth out. I worked with BobbyFulton so much, the Fantastix thingthat at any pointI could just feed over to Bobby and justbe leaning over with my chinout. And Iknew that he would nail me from any fucking
02:22:51angle and it wouldnever hurtand there'd be contact enough for me to fucking selland I wouldn't think of blocking itbecause that would throw his fucking aim offbut the thing nobody blocked shitwhen guys knew how to workbut now that they're just throwing kicks and punches
02:23:10in the general direction of their goddamn facemaybe I don't blame them for blocking shitthe way you said you learned how to do itfrom watching Memphis wrestlingand when you look at Jeff Jarrettwho I think throws one of the best punchesYeah.It's reminiscent of what you would see based on what you saw, the things he grew up watching.
02:23:29But it's interesting, you know, beyond throwing a punch in someone's face and for the most part not hitting them,what about the legwork, the footwork, how you move?I love how Jeff Jarrett, again, reminiscent of classic Memphis wrestling, he reaches down and comes up with it.Yeah.And I think that's one of the key things that makes it look so good, but it's also his feet as he's doing it.What are the other intangibles?Well, yeah, it's the follow-through also,and whereas Jeff reaches down and comes up with it,
02:24:00if you'd notice Bobby Eaton strike like a cobra,he would come from around the right side,and it'd be more level but under the chin,where there'd be a little hoop.And yes, if you're right-handed, which most people are,when you start off, your left foot's in front of you,your right foot is kind of to the backbecause your weight is on your right leg.
02:24:24And as you're drawn back with your right hand,and as you start throwing the punch,you're shifting your weight from your right footto your forward foot, your left foot,and you're also turning somewhat at the waistbecause your shoulders have to follow through with this also.Remember, Lugar would stand thereand do a little square-shouldered box punch
02:24:46where it would be like his shoulders were still,completely squared off straight in front of the guyand his arm would just go in front of him.But if you're throwing a fucking big football pass, right?Your right arm is back, your left arm's in front,your shoulders are sideways and your body rotates at the waistand your arm comes to your shoulder to turn.You're throwing a punch, same thing.
02:25:11Boom!And that way, a lot of your follow-throughit convinces people that you've struck your target also.Of course, they're doing it,and Solo's doing it now.Where do they do the fucking thing with the open hand,and then he does a little bobble moveand throws his hand out like he's following through,
02:25:33but there was a pause.Have you seen that one?Yes.And that calls attention to the fact that he didn't follow through.He paused, and then he did it,to make you think that he did it.But that's the, it's your whole body, you put your whole body into it, the body language.You not only put your whole body into selling when you're selling, but you put your whole body into your offense when you're on offense.
02:26:01If you're kicking a guy with your right foot, you're not just kicking him.You're, again, your right foot goes back.Your left foot's in front.Then you bring your right foot in.and when you throw the kick and snap it at the guy at the same point,your left foot comes a little bit up off the matand stomps a little bit just to make a little noise.And at the same time, your hands go to your sides
02:26:26like you're throwing everything into the goddamn kickunless you're hanging on to the top ropewhere you're really digging in with the kicking.And you're pulling yourself in with your body at the same time.But there's never just a one limb,movement to any of this stuff, or there shouldn't be.But those punches, too, I think of the camera angle, the far one in the MemphisMid-South Coliseum watching Lawler, you know, throw punches like that, they're like the
02:26:54perfect kind of punches to get the fans up.I don't know how to say it any bit.Yeah.To get a big, ooh, from the crowd when you throw the punch, it's the move, the way theymove, Jeff Jarrett, Jerry Lawler, it's the perfect way to throw the punch.Well, and it all comes from Fargo, from that big arena,whole full body selling type of thing when he would start making a comeback and he would startthrowing those punches but that's also the thing is that the people would who because the
02:27:25timing of the baby face making the comeback is important and when they get used to himthen they can they can go with it because lawlers if he threw three punches and then the big onehe would still be reaching back and throwing it,Whom!Whom!Whom! And then he'd grab the guy by the hairso he could lift the fist in the airand show the people and milk the anticipation,
02:27:53and then the big one, boom!And there would be the same amount of timein between the first three womb, so they had time to do it, right?It was like he was a conductorleading the orchestra,but instead of the band, it was with punches,and it all timed where you womb, womb, womb, womb, and woo.You know, I forget what the exact clip is, and I'm sure you'll know.
02:28:19But I always love the clip of, from the Mid-South Coliseum once again,but it was from the floor.Fargo is punching longer in the corner.I think Fargo's in street clothes, but every time he punches him,he looks at his hand.And then he punch him again, and he look at his hand to see what's on his hand.And that was 1976 in the Coliseum.It was Mike Shields on the floor camera at that point in time.
02:28:43And that was one of the times where Fargo had either been injured or been out of the territoryand then came to the big angle and the big program was in 74.But he came back in 76 and had another series of matches that were instigated by himbeing in the corner of the baby face and blah, blah, blah.So that was Fargo when he'd been in the corner of,God damn, I'm trying to think who it was at this point.It doesn't matter.had come in the ring to, you know,
02:29:10fucking kick the shit out of Lawlerand set up they were going to work the following week.But that's the thing iswhen Fargo would throw those,he had a different stance to it,but he would cock his fist backand he would throw a straight right handto the guy's head
02:29:27and it looked like just a jab to the forehead.And boom, every time he'd hit him like you said,he'd look at his hand like, shit, did I break my knuckle?Boom, oh, shit.and the eye that they had for detail and distance and accuracy was incrediblebut that was the most important part of a baby face's gamethey could wrestle all night long but when the time came for the comebackthe people wanted to see the baby face punch that fucking heel right in a goddamn mouth
02:30:00and that's what got the reaction and every timeI mean, this was not limited to the Mid-South Coliseum,but in those days, every time the baby face would finally start to come back,every time he'd hit the fucking heel with a punch, the whole crowd would go,who, woo, woo, and it was, you know, it was the biggest reaction of the match.That's what they waited to see.Well, Jim, one final question in this round,We'll see how we do with time after dynamite, but one final question right now.
02:30:38This was sent via the Colt of Cornette Facebook group by Wayne Eastlick.What is that Wayne?From Classy Motors?It's E-slick or I think that's how you say it?Wayne E-slick.Jim, we know you've been a Booker for many years.Tony jumped into it right away in A.E.W. with no experience.My question is, how long is, how long?
02:31:03into your career, did you feel comfortable enough to book shows?Well, it's not a matter feeling comfortable like if they came to me and said,Jim, we need a card for fucking Tuesday.I'm not comfortable right now.I started, my first official booking position was, as we've talked about, on theWCW Creative Team in 89 under Flair.But before that, I had in effect pitched finish.to Dusty that he did and he said, okay, kid, you know, you take care of it and I'd lay it out
02:31:40to the midnight and their opponents or whatever. That's part of booking.On the WCW committee is the first time I actually got to literally put a TV format to paperor to contribute to live event cards.Did you feel like you knew what you were doing or at any point did you feel like I hope I'mdoing this right? Well, again, I've seen the formats before that other people have written.So I know how to kind of translate the concept. We want to have this guy wrestle this guy,and after the match is over, he's going to go to the desk and do a promo, but the other guy'sgoing to come out and they're going to have a fucking argument. And then they're going to go to the
02:32:27desk and we're going to do the angle. We need some agents and referees. I know how to put that on paper.So the biggest thing about the challenge about booking is doing it yourself rather than doing it as part of the like you're helping somebody else who's more experienced.And that in Smoky Mountain, that's where the first time I had to do it by myself.And again, I'm replicating.I can put the lineups in the book the way that other people do it.I can write the formats the way other people do it.but the ideas now have to be all mineand the finishes have to be mine
02:33:06or the promoswhat the guys are talking aboutI have to give them the subjectseven though I'm not writing it word for wordand that's where againin Smoggy MountainI had a lot of experience guysthat you'd only had to tell them
02:33:21on a promowho are we talking aboutand remember last week we used the etherand we're coming up in Knoxvilleno DQ whatever okaybut I think my booking was better in OVWbecause I'd had the experience in Smoky Mountainthere's things I've again I've said this before
02:33:41God damn it I still kicked myselfthat I didn't put the baby face team over at the bluegrass brawlin Pikeville and then get heat afterwardsinstead of putting the heels overbecause it deflated the house therebut we were coming back to Knoxville and Johnson Cityand 10 days with rematches.Things like that.
02:34:04But my booking in OVW was betterbecause I had more experience at it.I had a more varied,more number,more numerical talent rosterthan I had in Smoggy Mountainbecause we could afford more guysthat were either on contracts
02:34:21or were paying us to learn to wrestle.And I just had more experience at itand the shit made sense from week toweek and TV to TV much better.OVW is the best booking I've ever done.With the WWF that period of time,that's being on Vince's creative team.So you're helping somebody fill in their fucking crossword puzzle.
02:34:48But it's not like you just suddenly say,you know, I'm comfortable booking a fucking showbecause it doesn't matter.You don't get to book one anyway,unless you're a fucking bookerand that if you become a bookeryou better be ready to book a lot of fucking shows.Does that answer your question?
02:35:07Maybe a little bit of it.I don't know how...In terms of Tony Kahn jumping right into it,we've seen how it turned out over five years.We've seen the problems thatmanifested quicklyand the ones that it became apparentwere going to happen over time
02:35:22and they've all happened.But in advance of that,what did you think would be the...What would you have thoughtwould be the toughest thing for someonea novice to get right out ofthe gate and was thatwhat Tony got right or wrong or was it
02:35:37not exactly what you thought would happen?Well, no, the timing of the showsobviously is one of the issues.Well, but I mean, Jesus Christagain, you can train a fucking chimpanzeebut part of the, well actuallymaybe you can't because part of the thing isis that if you're timing your show
02:35:53and you're not giving the guys the finishes,they're coming up with their own finishes and they can'tfigure time. And theyhell you give me a three minute cue to go home and then they do it in four and a half minutes.It's not your fault.But you ought to be giving them the finishes and the fucking time queue, which is, as we mentioned,what I did in OVW.If I gave them a finish and I said you've got a three minute cue to go and if your timing
02:36:17is right in this finish, then we'll have 15 seconds left at the end to say, goddamn, can youbelieve what happened?We'll see you next week.And if you rush, you're going to be short and you're going to have tostand there with your dick in your hand, and if you're long, then it ain't going to make the airbecause we're live to tape. That's how they learn. But Tony can't time a show because he doesn't knowhow long a finish is going to take to be able to give the time queue because he can't see itin his head and he can't fucking feel it because he's not giving it to the guys to begin with.
02:36:50And then talent roster and presentation. You can't just give everybody everything fromspaghetti with sardines to fucking blueberry ice creamput your roster together in akind of a sensible waythat everybody's able to present the product style that you want to presentand you haven't shot your wad at the beginningyou've got guys that can come in later on and take these guys placeas you gather more viewers
02:37:24so that you're upgrading instead of having the 20 best wrestlersyou can haveat the start of thingshis roster was all over the placehe had the legless man whatever the fuckyou can't do thisunless you have set in the locker roomand or in the car
02:37:41and or in the fucking TV studiowith people who knew how to do itand did it successfully and watch them do itand see what happens to themand see when they're trying to talk somebodyinto doing somethingthat they don't want to doand why it makes sense for them to do that
02:38:01and you have to be able to explain that to themand no it's not that Tony wasgood at one thing or bad at another thingit said he was totally unprepared for every fucking thingbecause you can pretend to do thison the internet or in your notebooks as a kidwhich we all did at varying agesI was already in the business when Tony was doing
02:38:27it on the internet, age-wise, but you can't actually do it for real until you've watchedpeople who know how to do it for real and they have told you some things about it.And then you've tried a little bit of it with somebody else to correct your shit and tell youwhat's wrong with it and tweak it a little bit.That's the problem.Tony has never thought that his things were wrong.His ideas were wrong.He thought he had a hang on this and he could figure it out from day one.
02:38:57well that's why it's all beencacabut but that's you knowthat's why that nobody was evermade a bookerin wrestling until they hadsome lengthy experiencewhether it be as a wrestler
02:39:15or as a refereeor even as a manageror asJerry Jarretthad promoted townswhen he was a teenagerHe had been selling programs since he was six years old.So he had been around the business and talked to people,
02:39:34even though he actually became a booker before he was a wrestler.He had refereed and promoted.And he had the benefit of Roy Welch,one of the most experienced human beings alive in the wrestling business at the time,riding in a car with him to Memphis back every week,to fucking tell him what was going on and ask him what he thought.you don't just oh i've i've done this as a fanwith other fans we've played around at this so now i'm going to do a national tv show and that's
02:40:08and what has happened has been what has happened that's what it looks likeyou know and that's what the 500 million dollars or whatever has covered up for but thatdoesn't mean that the shit has made sense or that you could evenevery time somebody comes back to aEW if you playthe tape of the last time we saw him on television and then they you saw what they walked inand did on that program it doesn't make sense from one thing to the next they might be a babyface might be a heel might be mad at a guy they come out whatever the fuck there's been nono coherence in that program from start to finish and that's because Tony's I've had people
02:40:55tell me he's all about making momentslike, oh, look at this guy, here he comes.Where'd he come from?And why's he here?And, boy, we just saw a guy come in last week.This is kind of the same thing.The timing and the context and the storyand the reason why we're supposed to go,
02:41:14oh, shit, look at that guy.Tony don't do that.Tony don't play that.He just wants everybody go, oh, shit, look at that.And then five minutes later, they're, oh, shit, look at that again.Because they forgot the previous, oh, shit.Well, what a perfect transition.Let's go to the world of Tony Caca or Tony Khan, as you call them.
02:41:33Cacacacacan!An A.E.W. Dynamite.All right, we are in the future, because only in the future could A.E.W. possibly make some sense.Well, you're getting a little fancy there at the end, there, Captain Planet.And also, if we're going to do this, can we just go four years?Just four years from this January. It'll be just fine.fine.But we time traveled a little bit because you had to take, see, you're feeling puny and your symptoms
02:42:16are getting worse and you're trying to hide it.And so now you're on the drugs, the pharmaceuticals, you had to take some pseudofed.Is this what I'm here?You know, the only thing you can do with pseudofed that actually works is make meth.Because the rest of it doesn't.There's something to do with the rest of the day?It'll dry your mouth out.But it's not going to affect your goddamn sad shit's phony.
02:42:42Phony is a football bat.Sudafed from the pharmacy, you know, when you actually go to the counter and ask for it,as opposed to the crap they have, you know, out there for all the civilians.I'm not talking about truck driver speed or some bullshit.I'm saying the product titled and copyrighted and trademarked suitafed,I have found in my life don't do shit.That's what Jesse Ventura did.Sudafet.
02:43:08Thank youI'll be here all week ladies and gentlemenNot with material like that you won'tNow I'm feeling even worseYou see you had to make it worseAnd do I hear a buzzing in the backgroundOver there on your endWell let me tell you something
02:43:23I couldn't sleep really wellBecause I was all clogged upAnd I'm blowing my noseAnd I got a cough that I'm hiding successfully so farAnd then all of a suddenI finally get to sleep for the final timeAnd around530 in the long
02:43:38morning, it just, it feels like there's like a loud buzzing. And I'm like, what the fuck is that?Is something wrong with something? I don't even know what it could be. I woke Suzanne up.Like, do you hear that? And she said, yeah, what is that? I said, I don't know. And that she fellback asleep. So from before 6 a.m. this morning, the gardeners next door. And then immediately,before they were finished actually, the gardeners on the other side, and then across the way,they've all been doing the leaf cleanup, nonstop blowing of leaves, capturing of leaves,wherever they dispose of said leaves, nonstop. And I got real paranoid, so I texted my guy.I said, are you coming today? He said, no, we're coming tomorrow. Is that okay? So, no, that's great.
02:44:26I'll be sleeping. Don't come today. But that's the update. That was dynamite.they're across the waythey're down the streetthey're doing the curly shuffleda-da-dathey used to play that during Mets gamesand they got a big popthat would show like baseball highlights
02:44:41well it'sanything entertainingin the middle of a fucking baseball gameat Shay StadiumGod if paint drying were to break outit might cause a riotOh stop itAnyway
02:44:53Better booking there thanon some of these wrestling showsWell I can't dispute that factAnd we've, the AEW program this week, folks,and it was another one of those weeks,but now it was the shoe is on the other foot week.Because remember it was a couple weeks backwhen the folks on dynamite at AEW had to move nights
02:45:16and they had to go to Tuesday,where the incumbent is NXT on the CW network.And now this time it was the vice E versa,in that dynamite was on its normal nightand NXT was venturing backinto previous territory.They used to be on Wednesdays,and they left years ago,
02:45:41and now they were on Wednesdayopposite the dynamite presentation.So this was one of those weekswhere we were going to see what we were going to seeabout who sees what.See what I'm saying?If you're the person who ownsWednesday night if you're Tony
02:45:58Conner, but just any wrestling promoter in that spot, do you load upthis show against NXT or do you just do what you're going to do anyway?Well, herein lies the problem.If it was a normal situation,I would say that if I was the incumbent,I would make sure it was a good show.I would think that normallythe person who's on the regular night
02:46:22wins the night, pretty much regardless of who it may be,But I wouldn't, you know, just put like one of those raws from Saudi Arabia where it just, oh, geez, will this ever get over with?I would make sure it was a good show, but I don't know if I would do StarK886 on, and if I was the other side, if I was the ones going to that night, I would try to do that because now I'm on a different night.and, you know, at the same time, it depends if it's competitive,because if it's not competitive, you don't want to load your show upand nobody see it, right?So AEWS thing about that, we've talked about that before.But since, in Tony Kahn's mind, every episode of dynamite is loaded up,
02:47:16and he listens to Uncle Dave who will enumerate this,long list of great matches that they're going to have on this program they've advertised.And some of the great matches involve pockets or vikingo or whatever the fuck, right?So great is being bandied around, you know, a little loosely these days anyway.And even some of those matches that, I guess, those fans anticipate when you watch them transpire,yeah, some of the big moments get a reaction, but more and more, the audiences at AEW are dead silentthroughout matches where you would think they would have some sort of emotional investmentor at least a curiosity, something to make you a buzz like the buzzing behind me right now.
02:48:15just something, but they have nothing.They just sit there and watch it.They're even more timid than the Japanese crowds of the 90s.Well, it's not that they're timid.It's that they're waiting to see something that they either,you know, like the furniture breaking,that always gets a pop, no matter who does it,because they like see furniture breaking
02:48:38and people, you know, attempt to kill themselves, for real.and when the finish comesand everybody starts kicking out of shitthat would kill a bull mooseand they do some fancy shitor somebody runs in or whateverthey'll start yelling at thatbut there's 20 more minutes of that shit
02:48:57and they've seen it all.It's every match, it's the same thing.We laugh about it.Jumpstar, dive, fight on the floor for two minutes.I mean, all the patterns that we talk about.So if you're there live and you're waiting to see the things you came for,which are the really big stars, the furniture breaking,and is there going to be some kind of surprise?
02:49:22Because now people expect Tony's moments.Tony loves to have moments without any build or logic or rationaleor restraint involved in how many moments you.give them until all the moments become one of those goddamn montages for we didn't start to fire.Did I go too deep on that reference?No, it's still burning.Okay, well, it's always turning.You know, it's interesting on that topic, A.E.W. has a lack of star power.
02:50:01This is despite the fact that actually, I think, the Hurt Syndicate have gotten over as stars and have been treated like stars so far.Tony hasn't fucked that up too much.Moxley is not as over with those fans as he was and he's now the killer,the killer heel, the leader of his gang.Hey, when you took Wild Thing away,when you take away their sing-along and it's just your mope face,you Gomer Pile-looking son of a bitch that, you know,has got to carry this thing.
02:50:31You know, for those who had money on Moxley being compared to Gomer Pile,this is your week.But my point is they need.need help. MJF's not been on these shows other than these, you know, clearly taped things,even though they're supposed to be live, like transmissions from the mansion he's in or whatever.Did you hear about Kenny Omega?No, I did not, truthfully, and was he in the mansion with MJF? Is MJF going to be allowed to leave?No, Kenny Omega made his return to wrestling. He didn't have a match, but he had an appearance.
02:51:05Okay.He appeared in Osaka at a New Japan showand intimated that he may be ready for the Tokyo Dome on the 5th.And they even did an angle in the backwhere it was an angle without being an angle.They had two of the wrestlers do an argument and a pull apartwith enough time that the Japanese press could run overand take lots of photos of it.
02:51:30You know what I mean?With him and Gabe Kidd, one of the top stars in New Japan,Kenny Omega is one of the biggest stars in AEW.Well, but that's what I was about to say?Where is he?He's over in Japan and he can do shit,but he can't do shit over here for this guythat's paying him millions of dollars
02:51:48to go get his intestines removed.Why is his first appearance in months on a New Japan show?He's an EVP, or maybe he's not, who knows?But he's one of the top-paid guys in AEW.Why is his return on a new Japan show?Japan's to tease a future New Japan match.Someone explain how any of that makes any sense to AEW or how that benefits AED.Because Tony wants to make sure that the Japanese show is good so he can watch it.
02:52:22I mean, I don't know, you know, that's what he's a fan of.By the way, they better hope they get Omega.The main event of the Tokyo Dome is going to be Zach Sabre Jr. versus Shoto Umino.okay one I know it looks like a Q-tip and the other one I don't know oh uminoum-o there you go let's just say the new Japan fans have rejected him brutallyooh and Zach Sabre Jr. has never drawn a crowd in Japan and that's the main event of the Tokyodome so we'll discuss that I'm sure as it comes to pass but Kenny Omega and boy if you'reagainst NXT, that's why I guess I'm bringing it up here.
02:53:07And you want to load it up or just have something?Why is he making a return in Japan to tease something that will happen in Japan?I'm sure they have a plan.Well, they have a concept of a plan.A Japan plan?A plan for Japan.Don't pan their plans.I've been watching you since Bobby and Stan.
02:53:35Well, since you growled like a tiger that one day on the podcast, what was...And my name was Tiger Dan.So they were in Manchester, New Hampshire on November the 6th for AEW Dynamite,and they just popped right up on the air with Tony Chivani in the ring.They can't...They can't even get a wide shot of the ring anymore unless they're shooting across the ringtoward the entranceway, because they can't...get enough people in the fucking stands to do the wide shot.
02:54:11And in Manchester, New Hampshire, I mean,it's not exactly a, you know, giant metropolis,but apparently they got a big buildingbecause it looked like a pisshole in a snowbank.Anyway, Tony Chivani introduced the Hertz Syndicate.And here they come, and you refer to this a second ago.The fans are already taken to them as stars.They're heels, but it doesn't matter the people are,
02:54:41they're giving them the WWE fan treatment.They already know what to chant, when to chant it.When these guys come out, they look great.They're in suits.They're kick-asses.They look like fucking celebrities.And they act like it.And they talk like it.
02:55:05in MJF's case andor not not inMVP'sNoted member of the Hertz syndicateMJF yes well now there'stoo many goddamn initialsyou know what I'm saying MVPand the fans are chanting
02:55:21MVP MVP sothen he says well I need no introductionyou know who I am I am MontelVesuvius Porterotherwise known asMVPand they get a hehe introduces Shelton
02:55:37with his legitimate backgroundand builds him up like a carnival barkerlike a manager is supposed toand Shelton gets a big popand then they were chantingBobby, Bobby before MVP even introduced himyeah how about that reactionthe reaction Ashley was getting from those fans
02:55:56yeah because he's a former fuckingWWE World Championand he was in the main event of WrestleManiaand blah blah blahand he looks like a million dollarsactually in today'seconomic climate in the TV rightsera and etc.
02:56:13Looks like millions of dollarsand MVP gave him the big introand he got a popand MVP cut to fucking promothey are there to wreak havocand they wereyou know they tried towell they didn't try to
02:56:33They tried to sign swerve, but he said,here's what happens if somebody turns down our proposals,and they go to the VTR of them beating up swerve.And he said, we don't want to make an enemy.A swerve, swerve wanted to make an enemy of us.And then boom, here comes swerve with Nana.And I have to be honest.I don't know what kind of deal Nana has with the coffee company.
02:57:03and I know they like to chantwhose house,swerve's house and et cetera,but in this case,I don't think he should have been dancingand holding his tallywackerand doing all that because it was so seriousbecause these guys are serious.
02:57:18That's why they're getting over.They're grown adult men.I'm talking about the Hurt Syndicate.They're grown adult men in a land of childrenthat are obviouslyseeing that they just need to beserious and look like stars and act like stars and they will be treated as stars.Revolutionary concept, I know, but it hadn't been tried often on this program.
02:57:46So I think, oh, go ahead.Well, what did you think of swerve, though?Because he came out there, he wasn't yelling or screaming or, you know, doing anything.He was just kind of, I don't know, was an interesting way he played it, him coming out there.What did you think?Well, I agree that he, you know, you don't want him to go ballistic and have his eyeballspopping out of his head.And some do, you know, when some of these guys go over the top, they look more insane
02:58:15than they do mad, right?But all he did was say, Bobby Lashley, full gear.And MVP's like, well, we'll see you there, kid.and also because I don't care how tough swerve isthere's Lashley and there's Sheldon and there's MVPthey're kicking a shit out of swerve and nanayou know but I think it didn't need to beagain the Gettysburg address but I'm
02:58:47I'm thinking that they could have come up with 30 secondsof something for swerve to saythat you knowthere might have beena little more pithy about what he was going to do about this situation.I don't know.We seem to Swirv on the mic a lot.He doesn't get to the point quickly ever.
02:59:05Well, but somebody could have fucking jotted something down for him.Just say this.How many times I've had somebody, well, I can say this.I'd just say this.Just say this.It'll be fine.But we'll see you there, kid.So swerve is going to need some assistance.
02:59:27here. Is he not?Maybe Nana knows some coffee grinders that can get to work, some baristas looking for revenge?I don't know.And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, the badass barista.Only Nana knows.So we're a few weeks away from full gear.And it's pretty official, I guess, Bobby Lashley versus Swerve.Lashley's just coming in
02:59:59it would be stupid for him to loseSwerve kind of needs to not losebut I guess that'sthe way he better get usedsome fucking ideaI meanI don't know what else to sayno my God
03:00:17the penalty in wrestlers courtfor beating Bobby Lashleyon his first fucking match in a companywould be I think firing squador potentially hand grenade shoved up the sphincter.Should Bobby Lashley have any matches before then,or should they just have him coming out therein his suit with MVP and Shelton?
03:00:39He's already over.Hey!Hello!Hello, lady!Bobby!He's already over, is what I'm trying to say.He's already over.There's no...
03:00:53Is it going to get him more over if he gets in the ringwith one of these dipsheds?and hurt locks him in two minutes,or even worse, if he was given some, you know,guy from the land of Lilliput offense before his pay-per-view matchand it's fucking, as you mentioned, two weeks away.So, no, they know who he is, and they know what he did.Remember, that's an old William Castle flick from the 60s.
03:01:19I know who you are and I saw what you did.Well, they know who he is and they know what he did.And a lot of people don't think it'd be like it is, but it do.One last thing on this, and of course Tony Kahn can always find a way to fuck up the most simple of things.But I actually think so far, even despite what Dave Meltzer said a few weeks ago that we talked about,I think Shelton's almost come across like a bigger star here so far than WWE.And a large part of that is the presentation and also the way the fans have been reacting to him.do you think to keep that momentum, he should get a few wins between now and full gear, for instance?
03:02:00Yeah, I think any time you have Shelton going out and throwing people up in the air and suplexing them and beating them,it's good because he does have an image somewhat from the WWE that would need to be rehabbed.But the difference, there's two differences here that I see.Number one, as I mentioned before, this fan base is not used to an athlete of that caliber who's all.also that good of a worker, by terms ofa good worker, I'm not even talking about the athletics,I'm talking about that smartof a worker to know how to get his
03:02:32shit over andwhat to do in a fucking match.But also,at the same time,in the WWE,they had Shelton pigeonholedand you see him being presented hereas a stronger
03:02:48force as a single already,even though they beat him way tooprematurely because all these things are rucked.when they bring in new talent.But so, and also, to be honest,in the W.W.E. Shelton was notoutclassing the entire rest of the rosterin terms of size or athletic credentials
03:03:11to the degree he is here.But he's also being allowedto do more of his own shit and nothave to be in their student for,you know, guys,the equivalent of Garganoand that ilkover there on the other channel.
03:03:30So it'smeeting in the middle and that Sheltonis, you know, to mehas gotten overbetter than anynew acquisition thatI can think of.Everybody they brought in new and I
03:03:45will move on. But everybodythey brought in new that's been overat the start has gottensuccessively less over.Shelton is continuing to get more over.Of course, Lashley just got here, so I don't include him.But you see what I'm saying.Yeah.
03:04:05Do you think they need another guy?Someone who can be the one to take some bumps and maybe take some pins?I wouldn't rush it.And it takes some fuck.Just don't beat any of these motherfuckers for a little while.And, you know, and just concentrate on what you.you've got here because you've got two singles or you've got a team and you've got a managerand he can be looking for other people.
03:04:33But that can be a way for him to set up matches with either of the two people that he'salready got.So there's no reason to turn it into the fucking NWO Wolfpack or whatever, just real quick.But that was that.And I believe once again, after Dynamite, that was the most viewed clipfurt.from Dynamite on AEW's YouTube channel.Imagine that.And then here's the problem with the program in question, AEW, Dynamite.
03:05:08We went from that where the fans were with these people,for all the reasons we mentioned, and they're interested,and it's fresh and it's different.And then they go to a video package of Pockets' problems with the plumber.and there's Orange Cassidyconflicted because he might be the onlyone that can save us from this evil groupof
03:05:35Mary Misfitsfollowing this fucking bald-headed dipshitaroundand againthe dichotomy herehow about that word?The paradox, which by the way is not a place to park two boatsMVP's group
03:05:54looks, works, and talks like starsand know how to present themselvesand they've been here for a monthand they're more over than Moxley's bunchthat's been around in various stages for years.Am I lying?If I'm lying, I'm flying, my feet ain't left the ground.No, not only that, but they're bigger than them.
03:06:14They look more imposing than themand the manager of that crewcan get the shit out of the entire teamof the John Moxley bunch.The only one that fits in the Hurdysyndicate is Marina Schaefer.And then, so theyfollow that package up, here comes
03:06:32the death ridersentrance.Do no, no, no, no, no, no, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no,death riders in the sky!I guess it worked better than Johnnyand the good boys.What about,
03:06:48who is it, Eddie and the Cruisers?Here comes Eddie and the cruisers.They even made a sequel to that crap.Uh, their brands were still onfire and their hoofs were made of steel the coats were black and shiny and theirheartbeats you could feel the death riders come out but here's the thing we ride deathand put him away wet the you're gonna cough now aren't you here's the thing the goddamnthe their death riders entrance video for whatever this fucking somnambulistic music
03:07:27they got going on.It sounds like a funeral march inChagoslovakia.But the Death Riders video is onthe screen, but thesechuckle fucks are still enteringthrough a back door and walking out into thecrowd. So you can't even shoot
03:07:43them andtheir entrance video. Andthe people start looking at the videobecause it's on this goddamn 80-foot screen.And here these fucking nitwitsare just wandering around in the crowdwith one spotlight on them.the other thing is they wander into the arena, even when Moxley's with them, and they walk to the ring
03:08:02with security there. Security's waiting for them when they walk out and then they walk with them.Well, yeah, because insurance liability, it has to be a planned entrance and it has to be supervised.They're going to all this trouble just so these fuckers can just walk in through the arena.We know they work there. In their minds only. It was cool.when they had the wild thing and it's one guy doing it or now with Jay Usobecause it's audience participation and they wave and they eat and everything.But this was just, it was, there's no excitement.And so they have, it's Claudio and Wheeler and Pack.
03:08:52And then Pockets comes out to the stage by himself and just stands.there in the entrance way, like,oh come, I'm readyto fight, and he has a weirda weird stance when he'sbowing up like he's mad, because you cantell he's never got to be mad at anybodybefore, because they'd slapped a fucking
03:09:11teeth out of his mouth, and hishead would look like a goddamn jack-in-a-box.But Claudio and Packgo to get him, and suddenlyDarby appears on the top ofthe tunnel and does a diveoff onto both of them.and they just do the big four-way indie-style fight on the ramp and the floor,
03:09:34and then the ref rang the bell when they got in the ring.And it...I mean, look at Pack.He's not tall, but he's jacked.And then look at Claudio.He's tall and jacked.And it looked like a kid and his divorced uncle picking a fight with two bodybuilders at Gold's Gym.The white nationalist Simon and Garfunkel.
03:09:55based on the gimmickwellI don't care what it's based on itfucking visually funnyand this went on and onon and onit just kept ongoing
03:10:15and the more it went it kept onblowingon and onso the mascot made a comeback on the two giantsand there was a bunch of dives andspinning about.And the mascot allegedly knocked outClaudio and Wheeler with one punch each,
03:10:37the Superman punch that has been downgradedto the Jimmy Olson's blues in my mind.And then he went to punch pack,but Marina Schaefer came inand just kicked the referee out of the ring.And then there's Mock's Liddy,he grabs pockets in a sleeper,but Darby
03:10:58gets in there somehowwith his skateboardand whacked Moxley with the skateboardand it Wheeler got on Darbybut Darby beat everybody upthis little fuckingoh my Godthis diminutive pygmy is beating everybody up
03:11:16after he's beenand had the shit kicked out of itand then Claudio murdered Darbyhe just picked him up and just launched himon the floor toward the ring postand he hit and bounced offand then all the heels were beating up pocketswhen Brisco's music played
03:11:34and here came Mark Briscoe and Kyle O'Reillyand Rocky Romero and Ishiand as soon as the heels saw that onslaughtthey just bailed out of the ringthis was just it waswhat is going on here with these peopleand how do they think that any of thisis ever going to register what
03:11:59It's just chaos with a dozen people every goddamn week.Yeah, and again, AEW is not really a self-aware company,and Tony Kahn's not really good at addressing his personal faults with bookingor stopping other people from having really bad booking ideas.It's clearly not working either.Any other problem is you can't ask anyone even if they're an AEW fan to explain it.If you just tuned in this night and you were sitting with an AEW fan and said,oh, what's going on?
03:12:25Why is this guy trying to murder that guy with that choke?Oh, you see, he wants to hurt everyone to teach them a lesson.Yeah, because they don't appreciate their jobs,so he wants to kill him and bury him in the desert.What is this?It's so bad, and it's not resonating,and you're coming from the hurt business,which is Major League, and it's getting Major League over,
03:12:46and it's working with those fans,and then you go from that to an amateur hour.Two guys, I guess a SEAW should just have 160-pound weight division.They'd be loaded, but when you have those guys,beating up or staying equal with Pac and Claudio.And then it goes right to the Moxley angle, which isn't working.Which isn't working at all.Losing Wild Thing, like you said earlier, was a big expose on how over he isn't.
03:13:14And they're seriously thinking that somehow, just because Tony thinks he's cute or whatever thefucking attraction is, that Orange Cassidy can be a serious...addition to the roster and be put in a money position and expected to produce,which is ludicrous.But they're going to shove it, they're going to make it happen.That's the problem.It's not about, well, this isn't working.We need to change course.
03:13:44No, they're going to make it happen to say they made it happen.Well, but they're not going to make it happen.It's going to happen, but it's not going to draw.Well, that's right, yes.Yeah, so they're not going to make it happen where he's like,who we finally pushed him over?No, you're going to pull.push him off eventually.
03:14:01There will be a precipice somewhere.But so anyway,Briscoe and O'Reillyand Ishiistayed in the ring so they couldgo to a break and then they came back and beforethey went back to the ring they set up thattonight the Don
03:14:21Fallis family is going to take onRikoshae and a mystery partnerand the HurtSyndicate then surrounded Rikishishin a menacing fashion and wished him good luckbecause they've known each other fromprevious world tours and things and such of that nature.But anyway, then we go back to the ring and Brian,
03:14:44after they've just had this giant goddamnarena-wide fight where they started with a,hold on, I'm checking my notes,a dive off the top of the tunnel,and they fought all over the goddamn arenaand all over the ringand then had multiple people running inand angles being done
03:15:05where people were launchedhead first into ring posts,etc.They decided it'd be a good ideato follow it up with a six-manfight without honor,which is the Ring of Honorversion of no disqualification.
03:15:24And now it's also becomelazy booking.Fight without honor, also known asmatch without ratings.Fight without honor, soon to be known as fight without fans.So now it's a no-d-Q six-man.Anything goes minutes after just all this other fucking meaningless chaos.And Jericho and Big Bill and Brian Keith, not Cage.
03:15:58And they start with an instant six-way to the floor.And Kendo sticks and chairs, and they're using the top.title belt andIshi had suplexedJericho througha table on the floor in the firsttwo minutesand
03:16:15the table is also going to figureinto like notthree or four other spotsin the finish. It was a furniturestore. 30 seconds after the first tableKyle O'Reilly and Brian Keith fellthrough another oneand in Big Bill, Chokeslam
03:16:35Briscoe through a ladder as a break spot.And I was fast forwarding at this point because why?What can you possibly retain from this at this point?And then at some point, Big Bill and Kyle O'Reilly ended up fighting in the back of thearena in a hallway and Big Bill took a very long time to set up two tables next to each otherand then he and O'Reilly fell through both of them,and then Briscoe gave Jericho a J-drillerand put him on a table on the floor,
03:17:17and then came off the, no, it was in the ring.I can't remember,but he came off the top of a ladder with the froggy bowto put the Jericho through another table,and that was a two-count,because Brian Key saved it.And it did more dives,and shit. And then suddenly
03:17:38Ishiijust picked Jericho up andheld him up in a verticalsuplex positionand gave him kind of a half-ass brainbuster, one, two, three.Of all three of the baby faces,this guy is the worst by far
03:17:57on the team he gets to winand thefinishing maneuverit looks like a lovetap from an anemicbaby next to everything that's gone on in this fiasco to that point.And they expect people to remember what the fuck goes on here.Again, the ratings have been in a free fall, fan interest in a free fall.
03:18:24You need the boost ticket sales.Why now are you giving Ishii another push?Doesn't make any sense.It doesn't make any sense.Who?What is the audience for that?Is he, even at this point, look at the state of him.Is he still one of the top guys in New Japan?
03:18:44Do their fans even, you know, still, oh my gosh, he's great.He's 50 fucking eight years old or whatever, but he's great.You'll have good matches on the show, but he's not going to draw the house.How can he have a good match?Well, you used to. I'm not saying now.Well, that's what I'm saying is he's still at a point now where even the New Japan fans go,well it's our guy or boylook at him now
03:19:12I don't know they're in a pretty sad statethey're rejecting their top guy right nowthey'll probably take anyone they can getwell then good take him backanywaywe were almost at the 9 o'clock hourwe had Moxley and company in the backI don't even
03:19:29I can't eventranscribe itwhat he's trying to say or the point he's trying to makehe's telling pocketsthat Wheeler isn't his friend as he thought he was, and I don't know what the fuck is going on.And then in the middle of the promo, he starts doing turn, turn, turn.Every season, turn, turn, turn.I really like Roger McGuin.
03:19:52Like, what the fuck?Every week you could just wait for the Moxley promo, at which point is he going to doprose, poetry, lyrics, whatever it is that he stole from someone.What is he going to incorporate into this?and it's going nowhere, and it still doesn't make any sense.It's been weeks now.We were guessing a couple months ago, oh, Shane McMahon,because otherwise, nothing makes any sense.
03:20:15And it wasn't Shane McMahon, and nothing makes any sense.Hold on now, you said we, you got a frog in your pocket over there?I don't have one in my throat right now, actually.No, I wasn't saying that.I was the one that said that nobody is going to be the boss of this fucking egomaniac,Maxley and hisaudition forindependent film stardom, but him,
03:20:37it's going to be him, and that's what he cameout the next week and said,you're all working for me or whateverit was, he said to indicate I'm running this.He has admitted to fucking the dog.The rest of it's just holding its head.Again, hit the ring with the hurt businessor hurt syndicator out there.
03:20:55That's what I want to see.That's the episode of Dynamite I'll watch.Johnny and the Good Boysconfront the hurt syndicate.Start the show off with that.Build it up for a few weeks.That'll pop a number.And then do the old rib
03:21:12when you got separate locker roomstell both sides they're going over.All right, well, at 9 o'clock,speaking of both sides,I've looked at wrestling from both sidesof 9 o'clock now,and it's going to go downhill from here.Adam Cole made his entrance,
03:21:30and Malachi Black made his spooky entrance,and it was Adam Cole versus Malachi Black.And you may recall that for some unknown reason,MJF just gets to dictate whatever the fuck stipulationsfor other people's lives.And he said if Adam Cole or Roderick Strongcan get three wins in a row,or three wins between now and then,
03:21:58then I'll fight either one of them that does it at full gear.I mean, I don't know how else to explain this nonsense anyway.He should go one step further.And if one of you guys can win four matches,I will ask for my release and I'll go to WWE.And, and, but that's why Tony Kahn comes out and makes other rulings.Why does he remain silent on MGM's head?And then Adam Cole, after you win three matches and I want you to put a new roof on my house or whatever.
03:22:26But anyway, so that's the situation is that Adam Cole, he's,He's one, one, he's going to win another one here.And God damn, when you look at these two guys in a ring,with Malachi Black,may be the equivalent to exciting a crowdwhat a bucket of ice water is to a hard dick,but he looks like he could murder Adam Cole.Doesn't he?
03:22:52He absolutely does.And this is coming off buddy looking like he could murder Adam Cole last week.Tell me he's going to beat Brody,King next week. Is he going to wrestle Brody King?Well, hopefully, becauseyou know, out of the three of them, thatfucking big bowl of pudding,Adam ought to be able to put him away
03:23:11quick, but Malachi Blacklooks better than he didlast time I saw physically,God damn, he's in shape.And look atMalachi Black and look at Adam Cole.Also, what aretheir ages? Can you Google that?
03:23:28Is that a thing that you can GoogleFai? Yeah, give me a second.because I'm not saying that Adam looks like he's 12 years old facially he does have a beardand the facial hair and he's not as young as he used I knew him when he was 19he still looks good for his age but when he's in a long shot in the ring it looks likeit's a 12 year old child running around and Malachi Blackpartially because of his gimmick with the wild hair and the contact lenses and everything.He, I'm sure, looks a little more mature, but this looked like a Cub Scout being assaulted by a guy from Rikers Island.
03:24:14Well, I have the information here, and again, it comes from Wikipedia, so you kind of have to take things with a grain of salt, and I'll tell you why in a second.Malachi Black, 39 years old, but it says here, 215, 11.Adam Cole, 35 years old, and it says here's 6 foot, 201 pound.Oh, boy.Well, I mean, according to this, he's taller than Malachi, black.Well, yeah, and, and I know, I know Adam, six feet in far.It's not like he's 5'7, but he hadn't seen 200 pounds in a while.You know, he's probably close enough if you put him in shoes and stood him on the
03:24:58curb he could be six feet but anyway um and most of their work is good mechanically but i meanadam just that's as i said physically he looks five years younger than he did when he was 19because when he was 19 he was in shape and he was kind of lean but and the the fans a lot through a lotof this were just kind of sitting there texting or just doing whatever andI'm thinking...They were dead.They were completely...I was surprised.
03:25:34I was shocked how dead they were.And, you know, I was thinkingas I noticed that Adam also...I mean, he used to be able to go all night.And his shit started getting weakerunder 10 minutes in.And I was thinking, because he's been off for so long,how do these guys stay in ring shape
03:25:52when they work once a week, maybe?Even the ones that aren't off hurt.I do you knowI don't know how they fucking do itbutthe biggest popat one point in the matchgoing toward the finish was
03:26:10had himCole hit a loud leg slapand people popped for that because it was a suddenloud noise rightand then Cole ran intoblack spin kickthat he does as a finish and there was a bigger popbecause for once,
03:26:28I don't think he tatered the poor fellowbecause we've seen some taters coming out of those boots,but it looked good and it got a two count.And Malachi Black was shocked and me too.I'm like, well, what the fuck now?And I swear to God,they go right into this thing where Black misses a chargeinto the turn buckle, he splashes it, boom,
03:26:55and he just backed up two seconds.steps and bent over and put his hands on his knees and waited motionless for four full seconds1001, 1002, 100, for Cole to hop up on the ropes and do the Panama Sunrise.And then he didn't just hit him with the Panama Sunrise.He super kicked him.And then he super kicked him again.I think that one may have been when he was on his knees.and then Adam Cole fell down on his ass and sold like he was all blowed up
03:27:32and then they both get up and Malachi Black falls over on his ass again and just sits thereand looks at Adam Cole and beckons to him with his hand and the announcers didn'tthey made a point of saying well we don't know exactly what Malachi Black is asking him hereor wanting them to do,I think noting Malachi Black's propensityfor doing the spooky shitand the supernatural shitor the dramatic shit
03:28:04from some kind of fucking movie he's been watching,he was probably saying,I can't continue anymore in this combat,you must finish me now like an honorable soldier.And so, I swear to God,Adam Cole pulls his knee paddown and reveals that when he got his spray tan he had his knee pads on.That was the only thing I could pay attention to for the rest of the match.
03:28:36And then he ran and hit the ropes and came with a flying knee to the back of Malachi Black's head,which is apparently a great baby face move and covered him one, two, three.So think about this.They've had this match wherethey've done all these things.And finally, the guythey want to get over, Adam Cole,foils, the heels, the heels
03:29:13attack, gets out of the way of the charge,hits the Panama Sunrise, he doesn't cover himone, two, three. Bear in mind he's going to winanyway. He super kicks him.he super kicks him againthen they both fell downthen they both got upthen the other guy fell down
03:29:34then asked the baby faceto finish him offand then the baby facefinished him off by hitting him from behindthen cover one two threein a match where the fans sat there and didn't reactand again it stood out it was like a woman's match on this showI've never seen a crowd just go dead
03:29:54and I think part of the reason is this Adam Cole stuff is backfired.Bad.They, if they were going to bring him back and have him wrestle MJF,you know, like what we said earlier with Lashley,that should have been the first time we saw him with his trunks on or anything else.Because it's an exposure now.A lot of the things we said about various people over the years,it's now being accepted about him by their audience.
03:30:21He looks like a guy off the street who could do the,the moves and it can kick out of things because the look, the physique, unfortunately,is a big part of this story, especially when you keep putting him in there with bigger guysor cut guys, guys who look like to go to the gym, or have a protein shake, just simple things.It's not working and having him win long matches where, you know, it's back and forthwith other guys is not helping him.I think it's exposing him more.The move to AEW for him,
03:31:00almost nothing has worked outand it's reaching new lows every week.And by the way, it's not over yet.Because after he got a free shotat the heel and decidedthe best way to do it was hit him in the back of the head,then they both shook handstraded a big hug and face padding.
03:31:28I thought there was going to be some type of kissing involvedif they kept going that way.So now the heelthat said go ahead and finish me,I can't fight on anymore.And the fucking guy took advantage of itby just kneeing him in the back of the head from behindfeels that he has to not only shake this guy's hand but fucking hug him
03:31:58and then Malachi Black left and we got story time with Adam Coleand Adam Cole puts Malachi Black over as one of the best he's ever foughtthat led to internet rumors that Malachi Black was done with AEWbut he said no it wasn't a farewell he was just expressing that you know he liked the matchI'm what the fuck is he's just really appreciative of this much bigger tougher guyputting him over the way he did.And not potatoing him on the spin kick, probably.He might have had to pay him some money
03:32:33once he got in the back for that one too.But Adam says he wants to talk to Maxbecause I've won two matchesand Roddy, Roddy needs to win two moreand he'd have threeso that that way we can have a three waybecause Tony Kahn has said at full gearif I win three and Roddy wins three also we can have a three way at full gear so now it's
03:33:03going to be two alleged baby faces versus one heel and the promoter is agreed with thatand also one of the alleged baby faces Roderick Strong has been presented as a whiny,annoying heel for the past fucking two years plus and the other one Adam Cole we have justdiscussed trials and tribulations thereand the one heelis still thebiggest star in a company in termsof interest and or
03:33:34talentand so thenAdam Cole's music starts playingand they do it dissolvethey very okaymaybe this ridiculousjuxtaposition ofwhere Adam Cole is versus
03:33:55where MJF is can besoftened with afucking dissolve like GeorgeMeliase in 1906MJF isin a obvious location somewherebesides the arena in ahome or
03:34:12I don't know it could possiblybe a funeral home a mortician'slocation, whateverbut he's drinking wine and he's pissedand they've still got Adam Cole'smusicplaying up over this videoso when he switches off the monitor
03:34:29that isagain, so positionwhere you can't see the screen,you just see that he's looking at a monitor,he turns that off and the music goes away.And he makes a phone calland tells whoever on the other end,I need you to pay someone a visit.
03:34:52And he hangs up without telling a guy who or where.and we go to the break and scene.Should they just go ahead and say,look, this is a trade school for aspiring filmmakers now?I think they should just say this is a disasterand get MJF away from it.Don't even do the match.Don't even do the match.
03:35:15MJF got hurt.He fell off a helicopter.He's going to be out for the next year.Get him away from all of this.You can't keep bringing him back and putting him in therewith guys who just don't have it.And this is not it.This doesn't work, and this doesn't have it.
03:35:34Well, what do you think the odds are, Brian,that they're going to go through with it anyway?Well, on my show, I'm very happy that someoneremembered there was another spot to do.I think the odds are that Tony Con will push forwardwith his idiotic plan.Well, I think the odds are that folks, you know,this week that we're currently in, but not for much longer,
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03:39:26who needs to pay somebody a visitand now we go to the backwith Renee Moxley Goodand light switchJay White and he startstalking and normally I am not aproponent ofevery time that somebody starts
03:39:42talking they cut them off within fiveto ten secondsand that's why nobody's over because you neverget to hear anybody make a fucking pointbut within 15secondsAdam Page had tackledJay White and they fought into the arena.
03:39:59And so we've got more chaosin the fighting in the arena. In anotherjust back to back to back.And then Adam Page is aboutto hit Jay White's bad ankle with a chairbecause he's hung in a railing.And Juice came out and grabbed the chair.Does Juice wrestle anymore?
03:40:17He came back from injury, I thought.Why can we not see him?If I remember right, he wrestled on TV and thenJay White returned, and then we haven't seen him wrestle again.Yeah, so Juice grabs the chair, but now you got two alleged baby faces against one heel,so Juice laid back, and Jay White fought back against Adam Page, and they went to the ring,and then Paige bailed, and now, God damn it, that's when Jay White grabbed the microphone andcut his promo.
03:40:50And the fans were up at least a bit at the fighting and everything,But then the breathy and whiny British soliloquycalmed them back down, where he was vowing the revenge.But so there's more fucking chaos.And nothing I can add to that.So then we go to the back with Renee Moxley Good.I know you're not going to believe this, Brian.Could we just went, we were just back there
03:41:20and somebody said something to Renee Moxley Goodand then someone would immediately attack them, right?and it can't possibly happen twice in a rowunless this Renee Moxley Good is somehowshe has been cursed by an old gypsy womanbut yes Renee is there and Chris Stanlander walks upand says 10 wordsand then walks off camera
03:41:46exit camera rightand you hear tires screechand kind of like a railing fallen overand a scream and a camerapans to the right.I'm trying to figure out how to describe the ludicrosity and the ridiculousness natureof what you saw.Chris Stadlander is on the ground, but like 10 feet past this railing that is still moving
03:42:18and a car has just hit this railing and knocked it over.but when she went off camera to the rightshe had to immediately dug down and run overand lay down on the floorand then they ran the fucking SUVand hit the railing it would have knocked her 15 feetshe'd have been goddamn unconsciousand instead she's laying there on her side
03:42:44like she's at a picnicon the blanket next to the box of ham sandwichesand then she's looking up shockedthatand she's crawling, dragging her legs,so they're trying to say she got hit by the car.She has still been rolling if it had hit her that hard,like the railing was anyway.
03:43:08Goddad, they're trying the special effects.They're reading all the amateur cinematography books.So then the camera pans to the vehicle,and inside is Mercedes-Munei.And she's mad because Camille's driving.And she said, you can't hit her.Well, too late now, bitch.But then Stadlander's up after being hit by the fucking car
03:43:36and drags Mercedes out of the car.And then Camille pulls Mercedes away.And Stadlander slams the car door on Camille's arm.And she goes down selling.And then she does some kind of slam to Mercedes on the hood of the thing.and security runs in and seen.But now have they broken Camille's arm already?I was going to say,
03:44:02has there ever been a bodyguard characterbooked as bad as Camille right out of the gate?Right? Sid Vicious, Diesel, Hercules Hernandez.So many people have been the bodyguard.I've never seen it this poorly done.I think it's almost like she's Cato.She's bodyguarding Inspector Clucson.so or something.
03:44:24What the,again,she's down,she's hurt,she's incapacitated,she's defeated.She had to,but now they hit somebody
03:44:38with a fucking car.And we're not even to the main event yet.Is it supposed to be that they hit heror that they tried to hit her?Well,she was down,and then she starts dragging her legas she's trying to pull herself up.
03:44:53So what?I guess so, because I mean, because then they cut to Camille and she's like, I don't want to do it.Not like, I can't believe I did it.But that's why I'm not sure exactly what happened.I do.Well, the other one was saying, well, you're not supposed to hit her.Oh, that's right.So they didn't know what they did.
03:45:15And anyway, we move on.Here came Christian Cage and Nick Plain and Nick Plain's mom and now Pip Sabian hasjoined thecrew there.And Christian Cagealso had extra securityout with himallegedly to keep Hook away
03:45:38because, you know, Hook is after himbecause he thinks they're the onesthat bombarded his old man, Taz.But the securitywas dressed in ninja outfitsand completely all in blackwith black,hoods over their heads and eye slots.
03:45:58So why would you have to bring outextra security with their faces hiddenunless it was a bunch of the fucking underneath boysthat you didn't want people to know who it was?What would be the other reason for that, Brian?I don't know.Well, that's what I'm asking.Come up with one.
03:46:21Come on, Sputnik. You know how stupid people think.It looked ridiculous.and now he's saying thatPip is in the group because he's a fatherless loserlooking for guidance too but he helps save the contract for mewith blah blah blahand Christian hugs Pip and Nick is getting jealousand meanwhile
03:46:47Mama Wayne is still standing thereshe's the biggest one in the groupand Hook comes out to the entrancewayand Christians say you know what I admit itwe were the ones that took your dad out because I want you to be my sonthat's why we got rid of Taz and the fans werewadding Christian one of the best promos in the companybut this Drek is so
03:47:15drivelous and frivolousand they were whatting fucking Christianand then Christian saidI just can'tfigure out, why didn't Taz tell you it was me all along?You didn't have to, it's because he knew of whatever the fuck, he tore Taz down.And he asked Hook if he wanted to be an announcer like his dad or a champion like Cage.And I wish your father was dead.
03:47:46What the fuck?Yeah, let me, let me just jump in here because the Christian stuff is so tired.And again, another thing that started out wasn't too bad and quickly went off the rails with,stupidity, because it's always about your mom and your dad and this person's dead and this.If he did everything he's doing with a group and made none of it about, you're looking for a dad,you need a, because that's the stupidest part of the whole thing.If it was just, I'm Christian, I'm now dressing like this, and these guys are following mebecause I have a track record, it would be a whole lot more interesting than I want to be everyone's
03:48:20father or whatever this is.This stuff's terrible.Yes, and remember a few years agoWe said,Stephen Cage is the best heel promo in the companyAnd now it's like people are like, what, what, what?Because why, why?And then Hooke charged past the four ninjas
03:48:44And grabbed Cage and the ninjas attacked himAnd Christian and all of the name talent bailedAnd Hooke beat up the ninjas.and it was flat as a plate full of pissand nobody cared.It was cartoony.Anyway, that was that.Okay.
03:49:12Here came the resolutionof the MJF phone call.And boy, what a segment this was.Our friend...This may have been my favorite segment on the showfor the acting here.Well, yeah, because it starred...I mean, I can't believe they have not had Alex Marvez on inside the actor's studio.
03:49:36To share with us the secrets behind his incredible method acting, it's like it was really happening.There's the epitome of sincerity.So he's standing there with old Don Fowles is Alex Officer Barb Brady Marvez.And they're talking about the new team of Lance Archer and Brian Cage that's in the family,and Don is saying, no more 50-50, we're squashing everybody.It can't even be straight on it.And then suddenly this big, huge black guy with long hair that we have never seen before.Looked impressive.
03:50:20Looked impressive.Was not identified.Was just a guy that came in.And as soon as he walked into the frame,Marvez turns around and says,who are you?And then he backed up with a look on his facelike they had set off a stink bomb
03:50:41right under his fucking gapand he's screwed his face upand he's backing up like, oh my God,he smells like he just come from the fuckingsausage factory outhouse.And the guyhands onan envelope full of cash and a ring box
03:51:01that we find out contains the dynamite diamond ringand then he plays a voicemail from MJF.Hey, Don, I need you to take care of a ba-bay for me.Don't scratch the ring or I'll be upset.Good night.These are the worst criminals in the world.They plan everything and they're,put it on tape and then they play it on national television.
03:51:33Who are you?Who are you?Well, what else would you say when you're doing an allegedly live television programand some guy you've never seen before just wanders into the fucking shot?Who are you?So wait a minute.If Callis, if Adam called us to win one more match and it's going to be one of Calus's guys,what are the options?
03:51:58He's going to beat Brian Cage?he's bigger than buddy murphy what about Lance archerhe's taller than Malachi blackokay what about uh who else is Don got he still gotbecause everybody is either in the thing or out of the thinghe's still got Felcher and TakeshaI don't think they're going to beat them no they can'tit'll be Brian Cage because he can't beat anybody anyway
03:52:23he's all show no go well that trade that Jake Roberts madeis really paying dividends for his careerisn't it? Well, yeah. It's launched Jake back into the limelight.What did he get again? He got three luchadors.Oh, and a partridge in a pear tree.You trade us Lance Archer for, I forget who it was, it was, it was a beast mortos and a couple other guys who we then saw on TV without Jake.Yes, and then we haven't seen them either.Most impressive guy on this show
03:53:01may have been the guy who,whoever this guy waswho made the surprise appearanceon behalf of MJF.And no,we're about to get to the most impressiveguy on the showand what you're doing to him.
03:53:13Maybe it was Marvez.Maybe I'm wrong.But,but,so we went from who are youto the next match,which was Jamie Haterversus Penelope Pitstop,
03:53:24and now we say,who are they?They did make it.Penelope.has been out for nearly two years with an injury.Did she have both legs replaced?What happened to this woman?That she was out for nearly two years?
03:53:40Well, I don't know, but I think I said this before.I had heard that she was one of the peopleusing the AEW program to go back to school.So I was under the impressionthat she had gone back to school as well, so I don't know.Well, maybe she went back to schoolbecause she was injured.Had to have a kidney ectomy or something.
03:53:59Maybe Miro should pull that.Tony, send me back to school.I want to go to university.I want to learn the things.All right, well, anyway, the finish on this one just for you complete us out there.Penelope missed a moonsault and Jamie gave her a pretty stiff knee lift and then a brain busterand then went for a clothesline and Penelope after missing a moonsault getting knee lifted and brain.Bainbustered.
03:54:3115 seconds later, not even shebackbended and limboedunder a clothes line and then gaveJamie Hater a cutter and got atwo count.So they have nobody producing their matches.Because there's no way they said to anybodywell, we're going to do that. What?
03:54:51And then Penelope picked her upand Jamie landed on her feetsomehow in clothes lined her one, two, three.So again, she could have beat her with the fucking brain busteras the same goddamn fucking result.It eliminated 30 seconds of the match.The heel misses the moonsault and the baby face hits her goddamn finish.Instead, they did this back and forth.
03:55:19She hit her.She missed her moonsault.And the baby face hit two finishes.and then the heel turned aroundand just came back on herand got a two countand then turned around and got beat.What the fuck is going on here?
03:55:37You know, I watched this match.I actually thought Panella before it looked pretty good in there.Jamie Hader's lost a lot of her charismaor whatever it is.There's something missing ever since she changed her look from,I don't know, she's very pale,and her hair is like very red,and there's something not working right now.
03:55:56And the outfit matches the hair? I don't know.Well, yeah, she was off for quite a while when she was getting over with the whole other thing she was doing with Brett Baker and them.And then she got hurt and she was, and I don't remember her looking anything like any of this.And again, I'm watching the match and it was all right.Penelope Ford was doing stuff.And all I'm thinking is she hasn't been on this show in forever.She's working her match.She's doing, obviously she's doing everything she can to have a good match here.
03:56:25and the crowd is dead.It was awkwardly dead.It always is during the women's matches.It was during the Adam Cole match here.But man, how do you,I can't even imagine what it's like to work in front of a crowdthat you don't know if they're breathing.Like, you don't even know what's happening out there.
03:56:44Oh, believe me, it is even worse than you can imagine.And sometimes, hey, I need to hold a mirror up in front of your mouthto see if you're breathing.But at least you were at ringside.At least you're someone who could make some noise.You got to do anything.You could make some noise.There was no noise.
03:57:01There was nothing.You almost wanted the timekeeper to slip and accidentally hit the bell just so there'd be some noise,let alone maybe the conclusion of the match.Well, and in all truthfulness, it's different when there's like 150 people in a buildingand they're not making any noise.Because I've never experienced when there's 2,000 people in a building.and they're all that fucking quiet.I don't remember that one.
03:57:28And that's got to be even scarier.And how many people did they have in Manchester, New Hampshire?Were there 2,000 people in that building?Because that's another part of it.They see constant chaos.Multiple furniture breaking.People be run over with fucking cars.Multiple no disqualification matches.
03:57:52everybody running in interfering,beaten down all the time,and then there's two girls trying to have a regular match.As of the day of the show,according to Russell Ticks,there were 2,416 tickets distributed.Distribitated.So they probably ended up with it,
03:58:09and we've said from the statisticsthat they're trying to compilebased on investigationsover with Thirst and Hal the 3rd and, etc.They usually get 10 or 15% of the crowdor of the tickets distributed,don't show up or whatever.However, I'm trying to phrase that.
03:58:27Figure they had $2,200 maybe.So part of it is that.They won't justthey won't stop, and now it doesn't matter whether they stopor not. Now people will just be disappointedbecausethere's no way to fuckingdo anything to anybody that hasn't been done.
03:58:51Well, plus again, there's a harsh realityA lot of people have to face about the popularity of women's wrestling.And if you really want to give it a fair shake, it should have its own show and be promotedand book right.But just shoving women's matches at random into the wrestling shows helps nobody.Doesn't help the women get more over?It causes a bathroom break.We've heard from people at the shows.
03:59:14Some go quiet.Some leave.They go do something else.And you know, it's causing me to gain weight, too, because to eat that much so I have to goto the bathroom for that long.See, think about that.I was not thinking about that, butthis is my show.
03:59:32Well, it is, but it's ourmain event. That's what's coming up.Well, they did a package on our friendO'Codeeand all of his exploits in Japanand whatever's going to go on there whereagain, do the people in Japando they recognize
03:59:47that he'sbroken down to this extent, or doeshe actually stillwork like he means it in Japanwhenever he's there and takesa bump every now and then?Or are they seeing the same thingthat we're seeing over here
04:00:04this broken down, slow,crippled up old fella?I don't know, to be quite honest with you.I think he definitely has more of an auraover there than he does here, just because at leastis a track record and history, but it is important to notethat New Japan right now is, in my eyes,a sad, sad company.
04:00:23And it's getting more and more absurd.Yeah.Well, the main event,speaking of obscenity,was old Kyle Feltcher and our friendtake a shitgoing up againstRick O'Rache and a mystery partner.
04:00:44And the heels entered,and then here came Rickashay,and he had a microphone with him.I'm like, oh, no.And by the way,ricochet was introduced at208 poundsso remember
04:00:59when I saidthey couldthey could give these guys10 or 15 pounds when some of theguys they introduced at 188they could easily do199 to whatever rightbut now they're
04:01:13trying but they'rethat's a bigexaggeration isn't itisn't itagain compared to other people on the show likeOrange Cassidy orAdam Cole.I guess Rick O'Shea may be a little bit taller
04:01:27and he's lean and he's in shape.I think Pockets is taller thanRockefeller Rickashay.I mean,when you saw him standing next to MVPand the Hurt Syndicate early in the showand stood out just how compared to them,he's a little guy, but in the world of AEW
04:01:44against a Will Osprey, he doesn't look like it.It looked like they were taking a fan fest picture.Who's this funny looking guy in the suit?Yeah, well, at least hedressed up to come see us.But anyway, Rickishacuts the promo, said he's done research, and as ofOctober the 4th, a guy's
04:02:03contract with Don Phallis' familyhas expired.And this guy is mad and pissed upbecause he feels forgotten about.And he introducedPowerhouse Hobbs.This ishow they brought Hobbs back.
04:02:23They brought him back with the hot angle that he's so worthless,his own manager forgot about him.No, no thought, no plot, no plan, no carefully laid out.We're going to bring this guy back as a fucking monster singlewith a grudge against the world or something for his injury,no footage of how he was injured before,or his rehabilitation he's been unlawful,he's been undergoing no impact that he can make
04:03:02when he suddenly comes out and turns a tide in a major wayand fucking,they just bring him out.And by the way,wasn't he still a heel?He was still,I know the,the Fowless family,
04:03:17their baby face,their heels depending on what match they make week to week,but Hobbs was a heel.He goes away,nobody's even mentioned his name in fucking months.And then he just comes back and he's a baby face because his manager forgot about himbecause he was that important.Was this the way to bring back a guy that looks this good and has this much potential?
04:03:42No, I don't think so.I've always been a fan of Hobbs too and I was happy to see him back but it had to be a better way to do it.And maybe that's a card that MVP needs to hand out.You know?because then, well, the whole rest of the fucking rostercould just say, fuck it, we're going homewith those three guys, and the manager can whip half of thefucking roster, even in a working way, much less as a shoot.
04:04:11Imagine how much he would learn in a car with them going town to townor to the building once a week?What, I was about going town to town.Going ten minutes from the hotel to the arena.But anyway, so,They have a tag team match, and it starts out with a big four-way all over the floor.And then they did a spot where Rickashay stood up on Hobbs' shoulders and back-flipped off of them,over the top rope onto both heels on the floor.
04:04:44And Hobbs looked tremendous.And actually, again, all of these guys, Felcher's trying, and he's got the size,and he's athletic and our boy take,we've said before they could have done something many of times.Do you think Fletcher looked a little bit too much like Randy Orton in there?At this point, anybody on that roster can look like Randy Orton needs to.It seemed like they changed his look to look like Randy Orton of like 2005.It was weird.
04:05:20I saw a couple of people mention it.I was like, good, it's not just me.That's an interesting way to come up with a new look for him.someone else's look.But that's the thing is thatand Rick O'Shea,I know he appeals and his style appealsto the fans of the people who like this kind of thing.
04:05:38But again,you've got Hobbs as a monsterand he's in this 20-minute-long matchwhere they're just taking all kinds of false finishes.And again,you could push almost any one of these guys individually,but it's just, it was names written down to have a match,and they had a match with every kind of fucking,
04:06:03I wrote at one point, what is going on?Ricochet hit a shooting star press, got a two count,and got up and hit a clothesline that was about a tenth as impressiveas the shooting star press, and then one, two, three.Rickshaw beat.Can't remember which one.Hobbs didn't even get the win.and then Kyle takes a chair to Hobbs
04:06:32and then he's going to hit ricochetbecause he's behind ricochetbut ricochet turned around and saw himcoming at him with the chair and turned back aroundand fed him his back so he could hit him in the back with a chairand Nigel even had to try to cover it bywell he didn't want to get hit in the facethe fuck and then they play music
04:06:58and Mark Davis comes out wearingyou thought he looked like a bum last weekgoddamn did he steal this shit out of a Salvation Army drop boxand was it was it a bandage he was wearingor was he wearing dress shoes with only one sockand the other ankle was bareand then it looked like he had some kind of sweat clothes onand he's shoving
04:07:25Feltcherand Archer and Cage come inand they beat up Davisbut Adam Cole comes outwith three seconds of musicand tackles take a shitand they fight offin like 20 seconds
04:07:40they're gone so the heels are holdingDavis who nobody gives a shit aboutbecause they didn't remember who he was last weekand they're going to stab himwith a screwdriver.When Osprey comes inand tackles them andit barely really does anything
04:08:01before Hobbs is up and the heels bailand the end it was over.So Osprey was there the whole nightand one of the top baby facesthat you're pushing as a company who hasn't been on the showin weeks,wasn't on the show all night.And then he runs out there dressed as casual
04:08:17as he ever has.And it obviouslytook a little bit to piss himhim off. You know, he's got an even temperbecause he waited through every kind ofattempted murder in the world before finallythat's all I can stand.When they go to stab
04:08:33somebody with a screwdriver, I got to comeout here.Just from top to bottom of thisshow, there's no way to even differentiateit. It's just different people doing the sameshit over and overand over.There's lots of heel gangs.
04:08:52Well, you gotJohnny and the fat boysJohnny and the good boysJohnny and the good boysIt worksIt worksFrom up there in NewportWell anyway
04:09:07That was the main eventAnd that was AEW DynamiteAnother banner episodeI will sayThe product's awfulBut it is getting funnier and funnierEvery weekYou have to find something to laugh at
04:09:21At this pointTo keep from crimeDo you think it's an intentional thing with Marvez?Like it's an intentional, I'll be a really bad actor?Because when you think of the amount of things, like the Will Osprey segment in the garage, the hotel,we've seen enough examples that's so awful, you would almost have to make an effort.No, I think he's genuinely trying to do what he thinks is acting.and some people you just can't be on television and there's nothing you can really do about it.
04:10:06Well, let's go from the modern version of you can't do that on television to the ratings, Jim.Of course, I'm getting my pen here.And by the way, we're going to compare these things with the NXT program, correct?We will.And we're not going to go quarter.We're not going to go quarter by quarter through the NST shows.Well, no, I don't mean with, you know, goddamn granular detail.I mean, basically, this is a head-to-head things.
04:10:30We're going to find out who won.NXT on November 6th, Wednesday night, not the normal Tuesday night, 8 to 10 p.m.on the CW, 619,000 viewers.Okay.And...That's 5% up from last week, according to WrestleMania.So they were up on...when they switched nights,
04:10:53that almost never had.I can't remember when that's happenedto anybody for any show.But refresh me or help me out.When they were against,on Wednesday nights at the start,when they were against AEW several years ago,NXT did not beat AEW,
04:11:13AEW won the so-called ratings war on Wednesday nights,but NXT was still doing600-something-thousand people then, right?I believe so.I don't have any of that information here front me,but that sounds right.But that's what they lost with.They were losing.
04:11:31That's what they got chased off Wednesday nights with.Yeah, that was Uncle Dave's characterization.And so now four or five years later,or whatever it is, they do 600,000 on a Wednesday night.It's about the same thing they were doing.What did AEW do?AEW Dynamite on November 6th, 8 to 1009 PM on TBS, on average, 523,000 viewers.Oh.
04:12:04Not even close.And this is AEW's night.Well, it wasn't their night, but it was their normal night.andNXT switches nightsincreases the audiencefrom their normal night last weekand beats AEW by 96,000 people
04:12:24when they did it a couple of weeks agoand they were on Tuesday nightAEW switch nights at AEWNXTwhat were those numbers?Because I can't rememberwe go through so many numbersWell Jim it was October 8thTitle Tuesday you may remember
04:12:40where was NXT versus AEWNXT on that nighttheir normal night on CWand this I think was the second weekthey were on CW874,000 viewers on averageAEWwhich aired from 9 to 1110
04:12:56so it was head to head with the second hour329,000 viewerswhich was the record lowSo basicallyAEW went againstNXT on NXT'snight and got their ass handed to them and then AEW went up against NXT on AEW's nightand got their ass handed to them. Hmm. What were the quarter hours on the AEW 523,000 fiasco?
04:13:28Well, let's go to the quarter hour breakdown. These were compiled by Russellnomics.Quarter 1, 8 to 8.15 p.m., the Hurt Syndicate Live promo, a recap of the events with Moxley andOrange Cassidy.the start of Darby and Orange versus Claudio and Pack, 666,000 viewers.Well, the mark of the beast.In this case, the beast is a little puppy named Pockets.Well, the Beast will find that it'll be still there in quarter to 8.15, 8.30 p.m.The continuation of the aforementioned match, the postmatch with the other death riders
04:14:09and the conglomeration, and an ad break, 575,000 viewers.Ouch, so 66, 2080s, 91,000 people already said, well, hell with this.Quarter 3, 8.30, 8.45 p.m., the ricochet confrontation with the Hurt Syndicate in the back,and the Learning Tree versus the conglomeration, uh, no honor or whatever it was here,with picture and picture516,000 viewers.Oh, good Lord!So they've lost 150,000
04:14:48in the first 45 minutes.Well, we go from 516,aka in Nassau Countyto quarter 4, 845 to 9 p.m.The continuation of the tree versusconglomeration match,an ad break,John Maxley backstage,
04:15:08quoting the bird.and then the start of Malachi Black versus Adam Cole,535,000 viewers.So some more people wandered back in.They got 19,000 back.So, ooh, boy.The continuation of Malachi Black versus Adam Colein quarter five, the big nine o'clock hour, 9 to 9.15 p.m.
04:15:34With picture and picture ads.And the post match, congratulations.or a handshake or whatever it was.511,000 viewers.Ooh, that thing did go on for a while,and as you mentioned, the atmosphere was very funereal.I think this may be an issue with Adam Cole going forward,especially going to give them long competitive matches.
04:15:58You're going to have a problem.Quarter six, nine, 15, and 9.30 p.m.The MJF Mansion,video, whatever that was.Jay White andHangman Adam Page's live anglean ad break,Chris Statlander run over by
04:16:18Mercedes and Camille,followed by the Christian CageHook live promo, or the startof it,469,000viewers. Oh, good Lord.Okay, that is197,000
04:16:35people down from the start of the showand they're under 500,000 now.Well, we go now to quarter 7, 930 to 9.45 p.m.The Patriarchy Hook Live Angle continues,followed by Don Callis and Alex Marvez being confronted by...Someone!Someone!And Penelope Ford versus Jamie Hader and an ad break.
04:17:00498,000 viewers.Jesus Christ, so...They at least came back.Who was in the 469 again?that was the MJF thing which was rather brief the Adam page Jay White thing which ledthe Jay White on the mic an ad break Mercedes and Camille running over Stahanderand then the start of Christian and Hooks thing so they said okay Mercedes is come and goneit might be safe and also we got rid of Jay White so 29,000 people came back
04:17:35well we go now to quarter eight and I remind you we have an overrun945 to 10 p.m.The Continental Classic video with Okadaand the start of Powerhouse Hobbsand Rikoshae versus KinosukeeTakeshti and Kyle Fletcher with picture-of-picture ads.455,000 viewers.Oh, no.
04:17:59Nine minute overrun,continuation of the match, and the post-matchwith Adam Cole, Mark Davis,Lance Archer,Caj and Will Osprey,460,000 viewersand under 200,000 at 198in the key demo.
04:18:21Okay, Brian, get your calculatorfired up herebecause fromwe'll go ahead and use the overrun.It's 5,000 people difference. It makes it a rounded number.They lost 206,000 viewersout of 600,000.66,000.
04:18:41That is,God damn, doesn't that, it has to be30-something percent, ain't it?Or, well, I can't do the math.Well, and by the way, if you take out the overrun and youtake out the opening segment, the true number, aswe always call it, and we've done it here, 580,000viewers.
04:18:58And we've said it before. If they continue on thepath they're on, they're going to end up withcollisions audience, and they're there.They are now there. Now, again, this washead-to-head with NXT, but it was on theirnight. And we'll talk about the head-to-head.I'll pull those up.NXT wasn't as hurt as AEW was.
04:19:16What does that tell you?And by the way, AEW lost to NXTand the key demo as well.They both started the same 666AEW, 665 NXT.Wait a minute,NXT started at 665,000,1,000 less than AEWand they still did almost 100,000 better on average.
04:19:39Quarter two with the pockets and derby matchagainst Moxley's boys.Up against that was Lola Weiss,Ethan Page and Ridge Holland,had a promo,Kalani Jordan,and Rob Van Dam's angle,and the family angle,
04:19:56I don't even know what that is.That did 674 versus 575 on AEW.Jesus, they gained audience.Quarter three, which was Wesley versus Javon Evans,Rob Van Damigan, was an ECW theme,and Ava and Robert Stone,and Eddie Thorpe, whoever that is,they were all playing backstage.
04:20:176.53 against 516for the Learning Tree.But things tightened up here.Quarter 4, 845,continuation, whatever that backstage shit was.And then Julia, oh no, Rhino.Rhino was there.And then Julia, Stephanie Vicar, Kalani, Jordan, Zaria,
04:20:37and Jordan Grace's angle.That only did 596, versus535.9 o'clock hour, 588 for Bubba Ray Dudley,doing something with Ethan Page and Trick Williams.915, 563 against AEW at 469for more of the Dudley stuff.Tony DeAngelo versus Nunzio from ECW.
04:21:04I don't think there's a big, we'll all due respect.Like, there's not like a bunch of people like,oh my God, Nunzio's back.We've got to tune in.So that's what beat AEW there.quarter seven590 versus 498so now they're close to 100,000 up
04:21:19for Nikita Lyons promoand then a Nathan Fraser axiom angleoh good Lordand then finally quarter eightthere's no overrun 625versus 455for an eight woman tag matchJulia Jordan Grace
04:21:38and Kalani Jolani Jordan and StephanieVakorZaria, oh, and Zaria,versus Corrigade, Roxanne Perez,and Fatal Influence.That did better than Hobbs and Rikishayversus Takeshita and Fletcherby almost 200,000.
04:21:56Well, not you can say that.Not even a little under that, butwhat are they doing?Oh, God.Well,Mighty Mouse cartoon reruns are comingup next week. I wonder how they'll fairagainst them.
04:22:15Well, those were the ratings, andthis was the drive-thru, and we're going to wrapthings up pretty quickly. Let me...You're feeling mighty puny, aren't you, son?I don't know if I would use any mightin any of this.All right, we'll be back on the experience. I'm sureit'll be a barrel of laughs.
04:22:35Wherever you find your favorite podcasts.And we'll be back next here on the drive...Next here. We'll be back next week here on thedrive-thru.we'll week back. That's right, with more of your questions next week and the usual shenanigans,follow us on Twitter, the official Jim Cornett YouTube channel, patreon.com slash cornet for the archives,cornets collectibles at Jimcornaut.com for all sorts of stuff and the figure, the law officerStephen Pino, 87750 Steve. I've gotten through it all. For Jim Cornet, I'm the great Brian last.
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