Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 377

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews AEW Dynamite! Plus Jim answers YOUR questions about Queen Of The Ring, PWI's 2024 awards, Britt Baker, Paul Bearer, Tony Khan & SMW, ratings and much more! Also, From The Files: Dave Meltzer, part three! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

and friends. And you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru right here on another sunny, happy day with happy wrestling talk for you from us. I'm your host, The Great Brian Last. We have so much to get to, so much to go through, with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett. Hello, it's me. You know that I'd be with you.

if I could. See, you told me a while back, that's my, that's my register, doing the falsetto like Barry Gibb or in that case, Todd Rungren, and so I decided to serenade you a little bit with that. You're more of a Barry Gibb

than Todd Rungren. Well, Barry Gibb made more money. Todd Rungrin had BB Buell. Well, Barry Gibb had everybody else. See, that lion's man, woman, and child. Yeah, I've heard. Yeah, and the chest hair and everything in a 70s, Barry Gibb was the guy. I mean, he was like a,

he was the werewolf of London, baby. So how insecurity do you think you would be if you were Robin Gibb? And you know, you're walking into every room behind Barry Gibb. Poor fella, poor fella. As Aunt Lola would say, he looked like he fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. Looks like Frampton came alive, came dead. Frampton came dead. Frampton came all over his face. All right, anyway, I've got... Like Robert Reed! Oh, come on now with the Robert Reed persecution.

I'll have you know I've made several changes here on the desk. You got mad and it enraged other people here at the network when I had my clicky pin where I would absentmindedly click-click the pen. So now I have a pen with a cap that pulls off. and sticks on the other end. So my pen won't make any noise here today, and I can still at least hold it in my hand. You can play with it, though.

Well, I can play with it. I can... You can fiddle it about... I'm fiddling it about right now in my hand. Can you hear that? It's producing too much wind. You have to stop that. Oh, God, damn.

And here's another... I want to register a complaint about a gift I receive. Uh-oh. Uh, just... You know, my friend Chad, in West Virginia. I've talked about him on a show before. He has a company where he services all the vending machines

along the interstates in West Virginia there at certain, I don't know if it's the whole state or just one big area or whatever. It keeps him busy. But he's one of the top nation's top blind vendors and his tribute to him, but he's been able to build this empire like this. And he monitors and stocks and whatever there is to do with the, running in the operation of the

of the vending machines there at the rest areas. What are you saying? But he's blind or they're blind machines so you put your money in, you don't know what you're doing. No, no, he's a blind, he's blind, he's a blind vendor. But he sent me, a while back he sent me this desk clock, because he heard me say my last desk clock petered out finally

and he said this is a heavy-duty piece of machinery and it's got a backlight. What, 21? Yeah, and it even does that when you press the light button and everything. But the problem is, and I set it at New Year's, because it was a couple minutes ahead from when I had said it before, and now, so now I realize when I last said it, and in less than four weeks, it's gained five minutes.

He told me this was a quality clock. See, I pressed a button again, but it's not. It's five minutes earlier than it's saying. and every time I look at my desk now because the time on the computer is too small that's why I got this desk clock here but now I think I'm five minutes in the future and it's throwing me the fuck off

he sent me what he said was a quality clock and it's gaining five minutes a month what is he blind can't tell quality merchant I'm complaining I'm gonna send him a letter of complaint you know what may have happened don't you what may have happened

Kind of like the Hulk Hogan theory From all the From all the time travel That you and I have done You've lost time on the actual clock of humanity Well no it's just this one clock All my other clocks here say the same thing So what it is is unfortunately

In your office He is in my orifice here He has tried to make up for the The standard line about the state of West Virginia Ladies and gentlemen Welcome to the state of West Virginia you please set your clocks back 30 years. So now he's trying to make up for it five minutes a month.

Anyhow. And tomorrow, tomorrow, it's going to be at 9 to 50 degrees here in our frozen Arctic tundra. And over the next seven days, the lows are going to be lower than freezing, but the highs are all going to be above freezing. Maybe even getting up to the high 40s and near 50s is on several. occasions and in a few days we'll finally be rid of the piles of there's till you go through the subdivision down here short cuts so you don't have to go through any red lights which are my the bane of my existence now and there's still piles of ice and snow to where you can't when you're

trying to make a right turn you got to swing wide and everything and it's just it's just horrible so we're finally going to get rid of all that shit around here and you're you're trying to make a right turn And you? It's going to be cold, I think, for at least a few more days. If it got that hot this quickly, everything would melt. It would be a mess. Well, now you're going to complain about the melting. Didn't you just get eight inches of snow or whatever?

I'm not complaining about the melting. I'm saying... Oh, now it's going to be a mess because it's getting through it. I'm saying the truth. Oh, you're just looking at the glass being half empty and cracked instead of half full and full of icy beverage. I'm saying that is a glass. Look at that glass. it is indeed a glass. Let's fill it up.

Speaking of filled up, they got nine and a half inches of snow in New Orleans. On Bourbon Street. Did you see that footage? I did. I saw someone skiing down the street. Yes, I mean, I couldn't believe it's the only time I've ever seen Bourbon Street where all the women had their shirts on. They've never seen anything like that down there. I'm talking about snow, not women with their shirts on.

although there probably are some younger members of the community that live close to the French quarter that at least is 50-50 of whether a woman would have her shirt on. It was the most snow they've seen since Y.D. tripped coming out of that hotel. Hey! And all his shit fell all over the place. We're in the words of Buddy of Butch Reed. Buddy, you're bleeding all over my shit. Fucking get back. Get back. Who's that little man with a mustache trying to pick everything up?

Who is that man? No, Pee-Wee wasn't there. He wasn't even there. It wouldn't have happened if Pee-We'd have been there. Anyway, this is your program. This is Happy Talk. I'm happy to be a part of it. Oh, good.

Just thrilled to death. Just this tickled Pink. Well, speaking of Pink, pink was one of the many variants of Jim Cornet action figures that was on sale. We have touched so many colors. Oh, we're just, we're going to go. right into the commercialism of the thing. I thought we were going to banter for a little while, but you're going to go right into the commercial.

No, it's okay. I need to get that out of you. I need to finish your mind being on commercialization, then we can get to the fun and jockularity. Well, we're going to have some fun with our jocks right here coming up, because I'll tell you what, speaking of jocks, you know what February is? It's the month of love.

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Cornets Collectibles at Jimcoronet.com. Well, this is your show. else you want to talk about? No, it's not. Well, it's your program. On that topic. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm fixing to be, I'm already the king of all media here on the podcasting and the YouTubeing. I'm fixing a branch out.

You want to talk about that? Yeah, and we can't call you that. That's someone else's trademark, but. Well, no, he's, he's foregone that because he's not the king of any media anymore. Well, again, I think he still has the trademark on the name, but let's talk about it because for a while

now, questions have trickled in. And now they're coming like a full stream. Why are you making these ejaculation fucking similes? Can't you say we've had a veritable plethora

of questions? Go ahead. There has been a deluge of questions that have emerged about an upcoming movie Queen of the Ring based on the book, the life of Mildred Burke

and some people noticed it a while back but now the cat's out of the bag the trailer's out of the studio Jim you have a role in this movie you're going to be in a motion picture yes and it's actually going to move I went from one side of the stage to the other and back again during the course of this

yes the Queen of the Rings shot here in Louisville Kentucky in the summer July and August period of 2023. And at that time they said, well, what do you want me to do about promoting this? Because I'm always, you know, boom, boom, boom.

It's been a year and a half. It takes a while to put a movie together. See, this is a, this is not the wrestling world where you do a show and it's out either live or shortly after on tape. But anyway, then over the holidays, all of their promotion

started ramping up. And we've finally caught up with them because you and I I've had things to do. So we are going to be talking to some of the people involved in the movie and showing some things, some of the clips and bits and whatever. What's the, Josh is the fellow over at Sumerian, which is the company, I guess they do records, they do films. He told me he's got a comic book company.

Ash Abeltson is the director of this movie, and he is the son of John. Don Abletonson who directed Rocky. The Karate Kid. And the Karate Kid. You always bring it back to the Karate Kid. You know, me and my friend Martin Cove are going to have an issue with you. Because you don't understand for kids my age, the Karate Kid is as big as Rocky. Well, for the next generation was 10 years later almost.

I think Stallone's at least six inches taller, but nevertheless. Then who? He's a short guy. Oh, yeah, but the kid was only like 12 years old. Who? The karate kid. No, he wasn't. He was like, Ralph Macho, he's probably like 25 playing 18 or something.

Oh, well, he looked like 12. He should be at AEW. But anyway, nevertheless, we're digressing here. Why don't you put down Pat Marita while we're at it? Let's just get it all out of the world. No, he had an excellent drive-in. I loved the burgers. Point being, this movie, Queen of the Ring, they shot it here in Louisville.

Ash Avilsson, not only the director, but also wrote to screenplay. It's based on the book that many of our audience has probably read, Queen of the Ring by Jeff Lean about Mildred Burke's Life and Times. So anyways, I said, we're going to have some of the

people connected with the movie as guests on a program over the next several weeks and news on the premieres where it starts and where it ends up and things like that. But

but yet this was kind of interesting and I know a lot of people are going to say okay Cornette hates all the wrestling movies so what's he going to pick a part about this one I've my standing complaint registers about this movie like it does

everything else nobody in the world looks like the people that they're talking about you know and that's you know pretty much standard with everything but to all to outweigh any historical inaccuracies in my book,

I got to be in a movie and only had to go 12 miles from the house. So there's something to be said for that. No, I was sitting here, minding my own business, as I usually do. You know, people try to get in movies. I actually go out and ask people if they can be in movies. Have you heard about this, Brian? What do you mean they asked to be a movie? They audition?

You're talking about an audition? Yeah. Yeah. They go around and try to be in movies And sometimes people won't let them be in movies, I understand. But I was just sitting here minding my own business And the fucking director called me and said, Hey, you want to be in my movie.

And I thought, well, that sounds like that's probably the only movie I'm ever going to be in Unless some other wrestling movie shoots in Louisville. And no, it was it was fun. And now I understand why I'd, I probably didn't miss my calling because being an actor and doing movies and I guess television programs of an entertainment nature would have driven me bat shit even quicker than wrestling. Because it took, this is a two-hour movie. They were shooting shit for six weeks here, right? And that's, I mean, how long to take to shoot gone with the wind of the fucking children were born.

but you got to shoot the same thing a variety of times and then you're sitting around waiting to shoot something or watching somebody else shoot something a variety of times and boy howdy at least in wrestling think about this when you showed up at the building good bad or indifferent however fucking the show was and whatever venue it was, whether house show, television taping, paper view, whatever, even if you were part of the production crew, you were in that building about 12 hours and it was over one way or the other. And you were on to the next thing. Holy shit. On one day, they were shooting the, I don't want to give anything away, but the climactic I don't it's not given anything away that probably the climactic part of this piece is mildred burke versus june byers

that's not giving anything away if anybody knows the subject matter so they were in a wonderful they were able to make this thing a period piece because so many of the locations in louisville kind of look like the 30s, 40s, the Seagoback Hotel, the Pendinness Club downtown, you know, some of the streets, they were able to do a great job with that, and they had a place that actors' theater was like a theater and around. They were able to make an arena.

But we sat there because I was in the background of this. It's going to be hard to cut me out unless they shoot around me specifically in the climactic scene of the thing. but we were there for like 12 hours. They shot it with one camera from one angle, then the other angle from the other camera, and then the other angle, and then we broke for a meal,

and then came back and shot from another angle. And they were actually rotating the crowd around like a one-eighth turn each time. It was mind-boggling. You know, there's an image, your image has been in a couple of the trailers or a couple of the things that have been released beyond the video of you talking about the movie they released.

And there's one that has you next to Dean Hill. Yes. You and Dean Hill sat next to each other on OVW TV 20 years ago. Yes. And now here you are here. It's like if you went to AI and said, show me future OVW in the past. Well, not only when we sat next to each other at OVW,

we had more room. because the as I said the match between Mildred Burke and June Byers it's being shot where it looks like an old time wrestling arena and sitting at the announcer

slash commissioners table and this is a shot you see in the trailer in the movie one of these clips is Martin Cove who plays Al Haft by the way and then I'm next to him

and then Dean Hill who is the ring announcer imagine that which he's been doing for 30 years or whatever he's the ring announcer but we're at this commissioner's table that they've manufactured in what is really a theater

in the round and they forgot that Dean Hill is a Sasquatch he's six feet six and his legs are ginormous and I'm a grown adult man and Martin Cove is a grown adult man and our legs were numb

by the end of, we were there for two or three days shooting that and we were wedged in there for hours at a time and we were supposed to be in the same place to be in the background of the scene and we were going out of, we were like paralyzed because it was so, so we got to engage in a little banter in between shots and otherwise we're sitting there like the three chimpanzees

wedged together and there were people on either side of us where we couldn't just even spread out our legs. So that was a tender moment. Another clip that's a clip, another scene that's briefly shown in one of the trailers, it appears to be you in a chair surrounded by what I'm assuming are the other promoters, and you're leaning in and talking.

Well, I am, okay, the story of Mildrenberg. Was that when you guys had to straighten out Nick Goulis? What was that? Well, no, unfortunately, we had to take, Nick out in the back alley behind Coonses and straighten his ass out and then you know but anyway

the story just of from the time Mildred Burke got interested in wrestling until the climax of her big league run is almost 20 years and it's a two hour movie again so ancillary characters

tend to be made composites of right I'm kind of an all purpose NWA representative, state athletic commissioner, the person of some authority from the establishment who spoke in a couple or three, you know, key places, and was in the meeting with, you know, those various promoters around the room and Mrs. Burke,

it's Miss Burke. You're a mix between Sam Mushnik and J.J. Binns. Well, exactly. And that's why, you know, when Martin and I were sitting there for so long and occasionally they did a pan shot or whatever, we would just be speaking. And he started calling me Sam. Well, Sam, you know, and none of this may be even in the film we were amusing ourselves. But I am the, and I told him when that's the story I was about to tell and didn't.

When Ash Abelson, the director called me and said, we're shooting us in Louisville. we need a representative of the wrestling establishment that, you know, can pop in at various points and help move this thing along in terms of how that women's wrestling was being viewed at that time. And I said, well, so this is typecasting. I, you know, I've been turning people down to be booked for 30 years,

so that's no problem. And so we worked at it, and I know there's a lot of people in the movie that I didn't even see because I think out of the six weeks they were shooting I did six days or whatever but you know

when we would pop in and I would try to give it my all I don't know that I'm going to be doing Shakespeare or theater in the round anytime soon but since it was something that was kind of close to my wheelhouse or my flywheel

or what was it they had up there that the flywheel it was close to my flywheel we do have those things that we are still talking about for theater in the park for the summer so why don't we not commit to not doing it i'm not doing the nude scenes though even if it is summertime i'm just saying don't commit to not doing it publicly that's all i'm saying but anyway but yes uh and martin was very helpful with uh explaining me some of the things they were doing while we were sitting there watching them move a camera of fucking six inches from one side to the other was anyone honest with you like who to fuck let you in here amateur yeah well and actually no they were they were very welcoming because i was that's you know here's the thing think how many appearances or however you in a measure at minutes i've been or hours i've been on television or pay-per-view or home video of some description over the last 40 years i have never played a person other than myself or

actually been engaged in a scripted play of some description. That's got to be some kind of record. Have you ever been in a play? No, I've never played... Not even when you were a kid? No, I've never played anybody but myself in anything.

Because I knew at least I could probably do a better job at that than anybody else. But being a novice, hopefully, you know, it won't stink the joint out to do I get a rotten tomato or whatever for this that's not the way it works they don't give you a rotten tomato well why not they throw them at you well well in that case that's giving in a forceful way so as as we go along over the next few weeks and have news on the the premiere and the various guests and everything people can start setting their tomatoes out on the windowsill so because i don't want them things to be too hard if you peg get thing side-armed, it can fucking hurt some, put somebody's eye out.

I just like where this can go. This can go in so many great directions. Like, someone sees this movie and says, you know, we needed a villain for the new Robocop. Here he is. This guy. Everyone's going to want to kill this guy. They're going to want to see Robocop kill him. Let's hire him. Kill him, kill him. Let's hire. Well, yeah, we'll come back to that. Maybe we'll work on that. Somebody needs to do a treatment on it first before I'll agree to it. Then we can get into a script conference. Would you look at more movie work if the movie industry was centered around Louisville? So what the, no. I'm too, I don't even really want to continue with the career I've already got. Much less fucking trying, I'm 60 fucking three.

Much less trying to start a fucking brand new one from scratch. I'm not Colonel Sanders going on the road to franchise my chicken at 65 with a fucking pressure cooker in the fucking back seat. I've, I mean, I, man had work ethic. I mean,

you know, I don't want to take the place of people who are actively trying to do this. I've shot one scene or not, I did one shooting where he, the other guy. No, come on now. I saw one scene with this.

What were you to say? I'm sorry. You're going back to the, the Peter North fucking similes again. I shot, I was shooting one day for the film. In the valley, yeah. No, it was, it was,

it was out in South Louisville, as a matter of fact. At a barbecue joint, no, it really was, but in the parking lot, and it's a long story, but nevertheless, there was another guy that had auditioned for the particular part that he had, that he was also going to be shooting in that same location, not with me. It was solo stuff. And he had not only auditioned,

but had driven overnight from somewhere in Illinois or something like that, just to come down there and do that. So I want to leave it for the people that are driven to do this rather than take all their opportunities away because I'm so much better than they are. Are you a member of the union now,

the Screen Actors Guild? Not that I'm aware of. You should talk to Jesse Ventura? well I'm on the screen the acting may be subject to debate and I'm not sure whether I'm gilded or not but I said don't you have to once again if you're in one movie

then you're in the screen actors guild and that works for life don't you have to intend to be if you have a line well yeah but don't you have to intend to do that ever again in your life yeah next year you have to do another thing well who the fuck's gonna call me and just ask me to do another fucking thing

I think this is the opportunity for us to start making our own films, kind of like Dolomite. Now, now, now I know why you've been talking about it's pornography. I'm not talking about the pornography. I'm talking about you driving around in that old Cadillac you have, dressed up to the nines all around Louisville, causing trouble, yet stopping trouble. It could be a whole new thing. We'll let you come up with your own dialogue. We being me and all the Saudi Arabian investors.

and a weird guy who says he's not Russian, but we think he's Russian. We think he's Russian, but he's got papers that say different. I don't know whether that's going to fly. You know, the LaSalle hasn't been restored yet, so we'll be waiting on that. We're waiting for the 100th anniversary. It's four more years. But then we'll have a big party in four more years and restore the LaSalle. But anyway, but yes, I'm in a hundredth anniversary.

major motion picture, baby. And the other people are making sitcoms. But yeah, from what I have seen from the trailer and what we are hearing from the film festivals where it has been sneaked, as they say in the industry,

this is a good fucking movie. So maybe we got that going for it. Of course, I got the magic touch. What can I say? Well, you've got the touch, you've got the power. We'll have more about Queen of the Ring in the week's ahead on the drive-through and the experience. Stay tuned to the YouTube channel as well.

But Jim, let's get dynamite out of the way. Let's talk about AEW Dynamite this past week. See, we were having fun. Now I'm going to make noise with my pen. Will you stop? I'm going to throw it down in a vehement fashion. Well, AEW Dynamite was in your old stomping grounds, Knoxville, Tennessee. And of course, the big story, I think, on this night was

am I going to be able to stay awake to see Joe Schmo because this looks interesting. And I didn't make it. I made it like five minutes at the show Schmo and I fell asleep. And for the people who might not know what you're talking about, normally after AEW's Wednesday night offering, it's a modern family rerun or it was impractical jokers here for a little while or whatever, some other program and they just wipe out the first six or seven minutes.

or 10 minutes or whatever the overrun is and join it in progress. But as I was doing my work, being a diligent show personality and recording the show that comes on after the show that I'm supposed to watch so that I'll get the all of the show I'm supposed to watch, the Joe Shmo show,

apparently it was episode one, season one, of a reality show where tell me if I'm encapsulating this like the description said they hire some guy to be on what he thinks is a reality show with other people but everybody else on the show is scripted and in on something to flummox Joe Schmoe right which seems really cruel it almost seems like a billionaire's plot to like ruin one person's life like I'll show them I'll make it all a game Well, see, so it's a branch of AEW's programming.

They got the flow. The flow now is finally, you know, in the same genre. But anyway, but yeah, they still overran, I think, five or six minutes, but then they started Joe Schmoe from start in its entirety, thinking that, you know, certainly people have sit still for this bullshit. They just watched. They want to see some more bullshit. Can I say something here at the start of the review?

Please do. Please do. I know some people are trying to dunk on AEW or whatever because they didn't fill the Knoxville Coliseum. I thought they made it look great on TV. I thought if you didn't know what it looks like, Foll, you thought it was full. Well, there you go, because I was like, holy shit. But why don't, see if you can look up and Google Fy how many people or how many tickets that were distributed for this show

because I swear to guy I don't know how they trimmed what they trimmed down but that's that was 25% of the building and the every seat that you could see was full but could that be 2,000 people according to Russell Ticks as of Wednesday a few hours before the show

2,467 tickets distributed. Okay, well, and you know, and bless them, there were many shows that I ran there over the years that didn't have that many people, but there was a number of them that had more. But we were there once a month, so... But again, if you don't know what that building looks like,

I thought they made it look pretty good on TV, actually. Yeah, because the thing is, they have the, the balcony that is low enough that you can shoot up and you still see because in a lot of the other small buildings or in a lot of the bigger buildings that they have to trim down they can't make a steady wall of people but with the they only had like six or so rows of ringside on the sides but they had a bunch of risers in the back so they could bring it up to the balcony and it kind of anyway it was a sea of a few people but I got to say this at the beginning

because everybody tweeted out the fan cam clip of Tony Kahn coming out after the show was over with I assume and thanking Knoxville and making it specifically personal to the market and he said folks in the 90s when I was a kid my favorite wrestling to watch was Smokey Mountain Wrestling.

And if it was, yeah, yay! If it was his favorite, why doesn't his show look like anything like what mine did? I think most people also assumed, not that he didn't like Smokey Mountain, but that ECW would have been the one that Tony would cite as his childhood favorite. So it's nice that he said Smokey Mountain, it was a surprise. And it was a surprise. It was a surprise, but it's very nice to hear that. Surprise, but it is nice.

It touches my heart that he liked to watch it and didn't learn anything from it. Was there anything on this show, either Smoky Mountain-esque or even just East Tennessee wrestling-esque? There was a couple of things buried in here, but not like a complete, not everybody in the same thing. I mean, well, what did you think of the opening segment? because that was maybe the wildest thing on the show. Well, that's the thing is that if, yes, Southern wrestling, Tennessee wrestling, or whatever used to be wild and crazy

and multiple people involved, but the key was that when they did something like that, everybody that came into it, the fans knew what the fuck was going on and why and who they were supposed to root for, and who they were supposed to be against and all those individuals were already over as individuals

before they came together in that fashion. Do you understand what they... Hey me what I'm telling you? I do. And at the same time, occasionally, in the old days, when they made some kind of fucking point, they would stop.

Instead of then here comes somebody else, and here comes somebody else, and then there's two more people fighting, and the people that were just involved in a goddamn anger, where are they? Somebody, and here we go with more fucking fighting. And we're out of, they did a 20-minute, two-polo concession stand brawl around a,

what was originally framed as a heartfelt talk face-to-face between two former enemies that might have been thrown together, Omega and Osprey. But from the top, here's my problem. Osprey came out. I think it might have been a new haircut. He didn't look as bouncy. Maybe he got a few locks trimmed off,

but he's wearing tennis shoes and sweatpants and a puffy vest and a t-shirt. And he looked like some fucking nerd. Even when Steve Austin wore a t-shirt and fucking blue jeans, he still looked like somebody. All of these guys look alike because then here comes Kenny. And he gets the pyro and the lights and the grandiose music. And he's wearing tennis shoes and blue jeans and a long-sleeved t-shirt,

but at least it was his. An Omega shirt. But he looks like some fucking nerd. And then Tony Chivani is supposed to be with these two. to, you know, facilitate this conversation because Osprey asked to talk to Kenny. And Osprey's first words are, to this other big top baby face are, thank you for coming to join me today. I'm glad you're not dead.

And that was a bigger pop that you just got or did than he got in the building. They just said, there was no reactions. What the fuck? How are you supposed to react to that? I don't know. I don't know. And listen, Kenny, a lot's changed since you've been away. I've got nothing to do with the Callas family anymore.

I wasn't trying to stop them. Now, John Marksley's got the belt. He's holding the company hostage. I just, I can't do it on my own anymore. This accent's kind of taking a little bit of a twist here. I don't know where it's going, but I don't know where this was going. He said, I can't do it on my own anymore. Like, what has he been doing?

He hasn't fucking done anything to goddamn Moxley, has he? Sounds like it's going to the Emerald Isle, if I had to guess. But it's like he's single-handedly saved everybody from destruction when the heels are running rampant in his fucking company. And so he is, he's starting to do the pitch to Kenny, you don't like me and I don't, you know, but he gets interrupted. because Kenny grabs the microphone and just then I was thinking you know that except for the preposterousness

of I've been carrying this whole thing on my back it wasn't a bad job from old Willie Boy he sounded like he meant it he got the words out in some reasonable facsimile of English and but then when Kenny gets started he oh stop stop stop and he's just again

this fucking guy's he ought to be doing the phone sex line you're fascinated with Peter North earlier I wasn't fair let's not put that out there in the ether I was not fascinated with Peter North well you were making allusions to all kinds of

you named him you you were alluding to allusions that were I was not I was thinking of the opening of Misty Beethoven so there well Boy, I've thought about several of them. And Kenny is saying, At forbidden door, you almost broke my neck. And I can't do it.

But with that fucking breathy voice, he actually said, this is a quote. At forbidden door, you almost broke my neck, and stabbed me in the head with a screwdriver. The same one that Don Callis had used months before, and so I'm thinking now it's all bullshit from here anybody's sitting back and thinking okay I'm not going to be too fucking critical

of old Will's statement he's trying to make amends here these two top baby faces and he sounded heartfelt and then when his next moron speaks I'm either forced to rethink that because wait a minute so this guy stabbed the other guy in the head with a fucking screwdriver or I'm just actually going to say well fucking horseshit because

none of these guys stabbed each other in head with a fucking screwdriver. Now they've just lost me. You can't believe anything for a good to Kenny goes on. And why did you do it all because you were trying to prove you were better than me. You weren't then

and you're not now. And it took diverticulitis for people to know you existed. So now congratulations on being and number two, because number one is here. And there was a small pop there, and I'm thinking, okay, is Kenny switching heel here now on Will, and here comes Don with a screwdriver,

and he's going to shove it up somebody's fucking taint? I don't know. But basically, Kitty, if you're here to apologize, no chance in hell, I'll never team with someone like you, brov. And in Ospreys, well, listen, here, you little prick, and then here comes Don's music. and out he comes and

again loud music covers up a lot of these people tried in certain points to be loud but they didn't give them a lot of options but I wrote it's like a WWE show with no wardrobe budget

and no crowd reactions I mean Don dressed up in his own particular way but to rest everybody they just and then Don started speaking and Kenny fucking ran him back through the entrance way

but here came Tegas shit who got in a sloppy fight with Kenny in the entrance way but then Kyle came out and joined it and Osprey is in the ring like should I why okay and he whips off his puffy vest

and goes to help and did you see this time what I said on last week's show or one of the shows we did in the last week when Osprey and Kyle have the hockey fight where they're doing the big punches boom boom boom boom boom it looks so fake

not only because of the fact that they look like shitty punches but also because they're leading in and not changing their facial expression. They're so intent on throwing the alleged punches as fast as they can that they show no effect on their facial expression or their body language when they allegedly land. Does this make any sense? Yes. That's why it's as phony as a get-well card from an undertaker. Hey, where's Mark Davis? Wasn't he involved in all this? Oh, I thought you meant the former editor for Ring of Honor. Fuck, I was good. I haven't talk to him in ages. No, you mean the wrestler.

I forgot there was one named Mark Davis. Yeah, he came back. He was involved with everything because he was the former partner of Fletcher. Yeah. And then he went back. He said, another guy who disappeared off the TV. He George Barnsed him. So anyway, Osprey and Felcher having the hockey fight with fake punches,

and then they roll into the ring after they've had this big fucking fight on the floor and start doing running and ducking spots and handstands in the ring. I mean, what the fuck? Oh, Jesus Christ. So then Osprey is on Kyle in the ring, and apparently he's left Kenny to fend for himself because then take a shit comes in, but Kenny's right behind him and hits the begonia suplex,

and then Kenny pounds the mat and makes the faces and runs and hits the ropes and hits the other side of the ropes, and runs right into a super kick by Kyle. And then Will beats up Kyle in the crowd as they go out through the... And folks, it actually wasn't as exciting as it's reading now. But it was as confusing.

Osprey and Kyle are in the crowd, but Lance Archer jumps Osprey and he beats up Osprey in the stands while the fans are holding their phones up and laughing at him. And out in the brink, breezeway of the arena Brian Cage is beating

up Kenny and then Archer and Osprey join them and they wreck the merchandise stand and give Archer a double vertical suplex through the merch stand thankfully there were no fans in front of it so apparently it was the real stand

and then they fight in the arena when the security comes out and there's trying to get them separate and they've sent the security out because then apropos of nothing I don't know how the fuck they suddenly allegedly in cave as the kids say would have decided to just do this on the sperm of the moment in a place where they ended up but Kenny

climbed up on the Kenny was on the lighting trust the big lighting tower the one that I saw Pam Dawson knock over into the crowd the Knoxville the one that almost landed on all of the ringsiders and there wasn't even a wrestler hanging off of it

but the lighting tower Kenny is on the lighting tower and Osprey is on the balcony railing and they I think they try to do it both at the same time but they've climbed these things till they're at the equal level

and then Kenny looks over his shoulder at Will and then Will looks back and gives Kenny the thumbs up and there's 14 of these goofy fuckers standing down there to catch these guys so when Kenny gets the thumbs up he does the backward swan dive off his lighting tower which they miss the camera completely missed it because then once

Osprey had given the thumbs up then he's got to step up on top of the railing and do his and he did a backward swan dive off onto another eight people or whatever and then I'm thinking at least it's got to be over by now

and no then they both climbed the fucking lighting truss and the heels Don was in the back the heels are scampering off and Kenny cuts a promo again We're going to put you down under.

And that's the place that we need to do it. Now they're plugging bread. They're selling a match for Brisbane, Australia, Knoxville, Tennessee in front of the people thought we're going to get this match, right? No. In Brisbane, Australia, that's further down the road than Cleveland. Cleveland, Tennessee, that is. Nobody from Knoxville is going to Brisbane, so they were like deflated at that.

But he, can he? can he apologize to Will? I guess I should have taken you seriously. Minutes earlier, I will never team with someone like you. I'll never team with you. You fucking, I fart in your general direction and your mother smells like elderberries. And now it's Will go together to Brisbane down under

against Kyle and Take. And then he makes the challenge. This fumble-mouth buffoon. He makes the challenge, and they start playing his music. But he wasn't done yet. And apparently they probably play it like the Oscars music. Jesus, Christ, this needs to end in the truck, right? But Kenny keeps talking and says, no, no, no, I'm not finished yet.

Fuck, at least you had something going there. And they dropped the music just for him to say, goodbye, m'ois, and good night, bang. now you can hit my music because I'm scared of heights oh god what a putts I wrote what a putts but this that's to answer your question that you asked low these many moons ago

about whether any of this was Tennessee wrestling-ish or smoky mountainish it was some of the fakesest fighting that I've ever seen in the middle of the brawl because they're going through that that's all they've learned from the Japanese tapes that they have watched is they go through the motions and they go from one place to another

and they don't have any passion or emotion or vehemence or fucking or credibility or reality at some point you know you gotta come back getting a fucking ring or just end this shit it just goes on and on

people the idea for the concession stand brawl was to have a three or four minute wild-ass fucking fight that would make people want to see the match now they have a 20-minute wild-ass fight and what are they going to do in a fucking match anyway your your your thoughts two baby faces beat up four heels what do you think including a giant one and a big steroid one i mean but but a couple of those heels don't really mean anything so what you know what the so is it that's that that's that's that's the problem. They don't mean anything because the stable doesn't mean anything because the manager

doesn't mean anything. And Don Callis's facial reactions in this whole segment told you what a clown he is. Omega and Osprey both have something with those fans. Do something better. I thought this was fine for an opening angle and it got the fans worked up. It's going to be hard to follow it. But and it was. In terms of using Omega while you have the Moxley shit at the top of the card killing the show, again, these are the guys who AEW should be pushing right now that's on their roster, not cope and mocks and everything else happening. That's what I think. And I will agree that Don now is starting to skip around the stage

like he's Paul Lind on the Bewitch set. Just with... Oh. It's just... Oh, Kenny, Kenny. Oh. Ed Sullivan. But anyway, now here was one fucking thing.

Now that we've turned the page on that first angle, segment, whatever, I can't say I would have had this on Smoky Mountain Wrestling Television or any other television I've ever produced because I wouldn't have had private party in this predicament, but had all things being equal, the World Tag Team Title match with Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin, with MVP, the Hurt Syndicate versus Private Party, I think we can make a case that the two best wrestlers in AEW right now

are Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin because they're the only ones that go out and get over, get more over at the end than they are at the start, that they are more over now than they were when they started the company, that people to the point where people are, chanting their names when they're not doing anything. They're chanting Bobby when he's standing on the apron of the ring. They fucking, every time Shelton throws one of the baby faces across the arena,

they fucking go wild. Lashley Spears everything they do. They're cheering now because they're the stars. They're actually wrestlers that can be taken as stars in the business instead of the want to be pretend playing indie level fucking guys but now they've got another situation

where the most popular baby faces probably right now in the company are heels and a two most popular baby faces otherwise are gnaturing at each other and then teaming up five minutes later I'm sorry am I dominating this conversation

no I mean there's not much to say I'm glad put the tag belts on the Hurt syndicate, I thought this is the way to go, I've been saying it for a few weeks. I thought this should have been more one-sided. It kind of was, but it went a while. It wasn't like private party was doing stuff to keep anyone down, but they stayed a lot by just constantly doing stuff. But you got a mix between the, you got a mix between the Legion of Doom and the Steiner's. In terms of the reactions they're going to get for throwing people around. And again, they're the most over thing that's been interesting. introduced the AEW show in a year, right?

Easily. At least. And here's the thing, they can call their match, but they can't call their time. If whoever, whatever savant formats this program says, well, they got to go 15 minutes with these guys. So then the professionalism comes in where they were able to give private party enough hope spots, enough of the double team or enough of the kick to the head or the surprise duck and dodge or whatever that it wasn't just chopping meat as they used to say in the business just beating the shit out of guys for 15 minutes where it just was boring they kept it lively but still all of

bobby and shelton's shit got over because it's impressive and the people turned on i can't i don't know if we can't say turned on them because they weren't really behind them to begin with, but it was just like, they didn't want private party to do anything. When the break spot was Lashley chokeslamming one of

them through the announced desk and the fans went fucking crazy. And they come back from the break and for a while that guy's still laying in the desk and the one with the green hair, which one is Mark Quinn is green? More ways than one.

Anyway, I think so, yes. One way or another, they were getting heat on him. And when Sheldon was bouncing him off the rail and in the apron and the rail and the apron, he was about to chuck him back in. And the fans were like, one more time, one more time. So he bashed him into the railing again. They came apart.

And then that's why I said they were chanting for Bobby when he was standing on the apron and cheered for him when he tagged in the ring and posed. and then the private party had they got a tag and the people popped for it initially

and then were just dead quiet for the comeback and the baby faces if I can use that term their comeback was kind of awkward but the 450 splash got a pop and Bobby Lashley Savin got a pop

and then, you know, at that point they did some more big fucking things, and any time, like Quinn made the save on the other guy after a spear, and the crowd booed the save by the baby face. So then Shelton hit the big Germans and Bobby hit a choke slam and Shelton hit a knee lift and Bobby hit a spear, one, two, three. The crowd counted with it like it was Austin after a stunner. and it got a big pop. So that, again, that's a match that gets you over.

And that's why I say they're the two best wrestlers in AEW now, because they're actually having matches that get them over. I also think it's smart for AEW to have them as tag team champions because also, WW has gone in a direction with their tag teams where, by and large, they're smaller high flyers. there are war raiders and stuff but by and large

it's like a Young Buck style division Yeah you've got these two guys and I think to see them against a Young Buck style team you want to see them get thrown around but there are other big teams for them them against FTR

could be something them against Buddy and Brody again now we're looking at two big guys against big guys It's always those two against two little guys at the Young Bucks or something to compare every small wrestler to the smallest wrestlers I can think of at the moment. It changes the look at your tag team division,

not just as far as how you presented it, but it differentiates your tag team division from the other companies. Yeah, because, you know, it used to be when you would get a big road warrior-type team over that they would draw the most money with a smaller bumping heel team like Tully and Arne and Midnight Express whatever but now the problem has become that you either have

you know the road warrior dominant size guys but you don't have any guys in the middle everybody else 100 fucking 72 pounds that's why you should just have them go out there and destroy people and just have them go out there week by week and make people look forward to the squash matches until they get big matches

and didn't make them look forward to the big matches until they get bigger matches. That would be like promotion and shit. You know, LOD were presented like monsters. Steiner's were too, but Steiner's, you know, that may be the best comparison just in terms of how they worked and how they could throw people around and... Yeah.

Everyone knew they were the... That's the other thing. Do you still think in 2025 there's still value in the idea that, yeah, they're the number one promotion, but our tag team champions are the best. as tag team champions in all of wrestling. I guess there's still something

to be said for having that, like, if you had a world champion, if you knew, you know, if your world champion wasn't a fucking clown, you could say, well, yeah, they got, you know, whoever their world champion is, but our world champion. Our world champion can beat your world champion. As long as he doesn't work at Home Depot. No, no, not directly, not a direct correlation,

but it's not that in an, in and of itself is not going to make any difference in anything, but the idea that these guys can get over like that, that they're not only good workers but also that people know that they're legitimate and that they can

do these. There's no special effects involved. That gets them over as attractions, and if you're smart enough to find a couple people they could draw some money with that wouldn't engage in falderall and bullshit to

poke holes in that aura that they've created and instead have a legitimate wrestling match then that as an attraction will help you get over or help your company, help the business, whatever. Is that if he could actually find somebody else that people would say, well, I can't wait to see the Hurt Syndicate versus so-and-so, now you've got something.

but it's got to be somebody that you know would compliment the Hurt Syndicate rather than you know at some points here Shelton's the one that has to stooge for private parties fucking

convoluted double teams and acrobatics and everything and you can't do too much stooging for other people's bullshit bullshit and maintain that aura so it needs to be somebody that can fucking work and it is believable to physically compare with these guys.

So who the fuck is that? Well, I don't know who else there really is, Jim, and the other problem is, like I said, I mentioned FTR and FTR are respectable-sized wrestlers. Brody King is a giant guy, and Buddy Matthews, looks like he took every vitamin in the shed. But there aren't a lot of big wrestlers to compete. Well, but now, okay, but here's also, here's your problem.

FTR the people nominally like that they don't like them as much as they used to because they've been books so badly and you know and and not really fucking done great public relations but they're nominally baby but the people would boo them against the hurt syndicate because they love these guys now good and this you know honestly instead of being tepid baby faces maybe that's what FTR need well but then shouldn't they turn on somebody first then they need to turn on edge everyone else does everybody else does it turn on edge and then boom boom

or old brodie and buddy at least they're already heels you know so that would but they've been used as the flunkies and they're just starting to be rehabilitated so they don't need to go into a fucking program with the hurt syndicates gonna beat the shit out of them Well, what I was trying to say is maybe some of the other wrestlers on the roster see the Hurt syndicate and say, I'm at a great disadvantage, I need protein.

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and they did a promo in Australian slang to be novel and inventive, but because they've also both got Australian accents and they were rushing through. this because they knew the shit, but would you, as an average person in the United States of America, did you understand much of anything of this? You know, to be honest with you, I had it on mute in the background. As much as I'm entertained by Harley Cameron, you know, I was throwing her voice. She's a very talent, I'm telling you, she's really talented. She just needs a good act.

But the big issue to me was they put up a graphic. for Tony Storm versus Mariah May in Australia. They said it's going to be on TNT. They said it's going to be on Max, obviously live in Australia. No time. They never listed a time. I have no idea what time this airs.

Is it live anywhere in America? Is it a live stream? Is it being taped? We have no answers to anything. They're going to send out VHSs. I don't know. I can't believe you had this on you. mute.

Because Harley was doing all that great ventriloquism. She was making her voice come out of her own mouth. I didn't see her puppet. So then they did a novel thing where they had Officer Bar Brady, our friend Alex Marvez, in the back with Jeff Jarrett. And before he even spoke, Karen came in and told Marvez, said, I need, I need, I need, I need a minute to talk to Jeff. And so he bowed out, and then the camera shooting them for live national television

zoomed in on their private chat. Did that seem odd to you? Yeah, I mean, the whole idea you leave, but the cameraman could stay. I don't know what that's about. And then... That's treating the audience dumb. You have to do it the whole way through or you don't do it at all. Well, then at least, Marvez, as he usually is, is in the dark about what's going

on, but everybody else knows. But she's telling him, Jeff, don't do, it's not who you are anymore, don't do this, what the fuck's he going to go out and commit Harry Carey, or even Harry Carey Jr? And by the way, what's not what he is anymore? It's, it's, you know, that's, like, comic that he was last week. But when he, when he was a heel, he used to double as the unknown comic with a bag over his head on the gong show. I get, I, I, I don't, I don't understand.

What did she mean by don't, don't beat Monty Brown? Don't drop the title? What is she saying exactly? But Jeff cuts her off. He's like, I got this, I got this. And then he walked straight out to the ring. So to do an interview. So basically when you think about it,

Marvez was doing an interview with him to get his comments on the interview he was about to do. so then I didn't even think about that you're right what was he interviewing him for he could get to comments on the interview that he was about to do and then

he goes out and Knoxville likes Jeff Jared he's been he's a Tennessee native and that means a lot in East Tennessee and he's been there with multiple companies over years and years

and he tries to start out with kind of a a folksy anecdote that one of his mentors, the great Jerry the King Lawler, one of a thing that he told him once, he learned him a lesson. But the amusing antidote, as they say, didn't get over because he wound it up with,

and Lawler said, don't ever get in the gutter with your opponent. And the people were like, hmm? It wasn't a most profound statement, or at least the way Jeff Boller, built it up. It wasn't the most profound statement. But then then he said, but sometimes it's great to come back home to remember

who you are and that got to pop. Because go back again to Tennessee. If you just go out there and scream Tennessee over and over, they will cheer in Knoxville. He's from nowhere near Knoxville. That'd be like me going to Albany and saying it's great to be home.

Well, no, because you New Yorkers, you have no sense of togetherness and family, familia. Is that what it is? See, people in Albany, they're like fucking green-headed Martians to you.

Well, you're not wrong about that. You're not wrong about the people in Albany. And what you've said about the people of Poughkeepsie. I've never said anything. That's not me. That's you. Well, how dare you?

It may have been or may not have been. But then, so Jeff has, at least he's got people kind of interested in what he's saying. and so I'm rooting for a strong clothes. Well, let me ask you at this point, did you have any idea where this was going?

No, no, but I was rooting for a strong close. And I was rooting for it to come fairly quickly. And he then made the statement, MJF, you're going to find out exactly who the last loutal outlaw is. He fumbled last outlaw. And I was like, God damn it. so then he said he fumbled his own

fucking name but then I thought that would be the go home line right but no MGF you're going to find out exactly who the last loud owl outlaw is we're going to settle this somewhere I like I say in Tennessee I'm going to take you out behind the woodshed but no lights no cameras

I'm going to take you to the woodshed and beat your ass well I can understand no light but apparently it's not going to be a cinematic match. Has Jeff ever had a woodshed at any of the properties he's lived at his entire life? You know, honestly, yes, I believe he has because I think there was a shed that was full of wood

at Jerry Jarrett's house up in Hendersonville. Lance Russell saw that woodshed and said, that's much bigger than my woodshed. I took pictures of the goddamn fabulous ones naked to the waist in front of it. with fucking hats on with snake skin hat bands, baby. God damn it, they sold like crazy too. But the point is, how are they going to have this match if there's no camera?

That's going to be hard to fucking... But then after that, after he said that, he transitioned, Jeff being he, to his quest to become the AEW world champion at age 57. and he said he wanted to call out the world champion John Moxley to talk. Okay, that's what, yeah, Moxley comes out every week and talks to people after he puts a plastic bag over their head or pours bleach down their throat or fucking...

That's right. I'm my Joan Rivers, can we talk? Cody says, so what do you want to talk about? I just say, can we talk? and but in that here suddenly they play music but Claudia while Jeff is looking where that the the boer horseman and Dick the boozer

normally come from the back of the arena through the people Claudio just comes in behind him in the ring and turns him around and hits him with one upper cut and Jeff goes down and is there immobile and Claudio says nobody gets to Moxley without going through me first stay out of our business and starts walking out and Jeff forget from the one forearm after we see people run over with goddamn motor vehicles on this program Jeff's got the microphone he's still down but he's in the ring Claudio turn your ass around you'll have to kill me to stop me apparently that'll be three four arms

but if I beat your ass next week, then I get my title shot. And Claudia, okay, I'll see you next week. And apparently we're going to see that next week. We'll see who sees it. That may be the lowest rated segment in the history of dynamite.

We'll see. That's going to be a problem, that segment. It didn't look like Claudia wanted to watch it. But I do. So I don't, And again, I don't know what's happening here with this. And then there's more from MJF here in a minute or two, but... Let's finish this.

I guess it ties together, though. It appears they are being separated, although they will have a match at some point, whether it's at a shed or in a ring, shall be determined at a later time. They've made some closing remarks without closing the issue. and left it dangling. I was always critical of Jeff coming to AEW and his usage in AEW everything. But I said I thought that the idea he has one more year left,

there could be some interesting things done there. Sadly, it appears to have exposed... I mean, I don't know, if you were going to do something big with Jeff Charott, you would never say, you know, now's the time to give him more promo time than he's ever had, ever. And it really hasn't exposed his strengths. I mean, none of his strengths have been shown for the last month or so. And now we're going to get him and the Boer Horseman.

Him and Claudio has a chance to be, well, we'll see what the ratings are. I could surprise me. But, oh, boy. But yeah, I just, I think, and he couldn't even get his fucking nickname out. He screwed up his own name in his home state. Well, now, wait a minute. That's not the one he's had all the practice spelling. The last la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la la it used to be what bobby doing la la la la la la la it is somebody the baby face of

every bit of a headlock i'd be close enough leaning in i'd hear him go lavalu what do you think of the idea i mean again last week's mj f jiff jeff jarratt segment it wasn't just us that was not universally well there weren't too many people that seemed to come out and say they really loved it and everyone went the other way and it appears that is AEW shifting gears is that what this is?

Well it's certainly leaving it open to not happen you know they both talked about each other but at the same time they both apparently have other things going on Maybe they're going to come back to this match when the people demand it? You think Jeff has enough time left in his career? It'll be interesting. That's the tease for next week, Jeff and Claudio.

Oh, boy. We were almost to the 9 o'clock hour, but we got swerve Strickland versus AR Fox, and I'm thinking, okay, I'll fast forward through this and see what they're going to do at the 9 o'clock hour. at the 9 o'clock hour swerve was still beating up Mr. Fox but ricochet came out

and jumped up on the apron of the ring and went to stab swerve in the head with the golden scissors golden scissors that was that Beatles tune that really didn't get enough attention in that was golden slumbers they were different scissors than last time much smaller than the I was about to say somebody forgot to bring the big golden

gardening shears because these were like golden fucking cuticle scissors. They were half the size. Did he buy a set? Apparently, you know, he's investing in gold. Next week it'll be a golden spoon and then a golden fork. I want to see the golden nail file. I think that's going to be the one. But he goes to stab swerve and swerve ducks and then Nana comes around with a lead pipe

and backs ricochet off of the ring and they go through the entrance way and they're gone and then swerve beat A.R. Fox with his thing and then help the guy up after they've been kicking a shit out of each other 15 minutes.

And then suddenly, ricochet is on the screen and is a close-up of him cutting a promo and calm and staring straight into the camera. and he makes the point he's got a lot to say next week about the way he doesn't go into why he doesn't just say it now but he's got a lot to say next week

and the camera widens out and ricochet is holding the point of these scissors to Nana's throat and Nana is comically on his tiptoes with his headcockback up against the wall scared looking like step and fetch it in a fucking 30s

Charlie Chan movie and the thing is when they opened the shot on the close-up on ricochet and he was staring into the camera you've got a knife

to a man's throat and you turn your goddamn head what is the guy with the knife to his throat going to do grab the goddamn knife

but no Rokoshae's known for his strength. He wasn't touching him. I've said he wouldn't be able to wrestle the knife away from him. He's so strong. He could knock the knife away from his neck and run, couldn't he? None of some queens.

I'm sure he's dealt with us plenty of times. One would think. Just going to the local fucking McDonald's. Guess what the fans did? What's that? Nothing. They didn't care. I'll say it here.

I know he has a promo later. I don't know if you're going to talk about it or not. I'm completely sick of swerp, Strickland, than everyone. We're over the swerve. Oh, my God. And Nana, I hate to say, because he's a very nice guy. I know I like Nana personally, but they've done, they've given me no reason to root for anything Nana's involved in

because he's a scared, feckless, incompetent manager that gets in the way more than he tries to help, and that's by their instruction. Yeah, I'm completely sick of both of them. So I'm rooting for ricochet to stab them. Stab, yes. That's the other side of it. Please.

Yeah, you're rude for the baby facing, you're root for the stabbing. That's what... I hope it gets him with the smaller scissors, though, because I feel like there'll be less jail time. Because the large ones, it's like, clearly you're trying to kill them. The small ones... Oh, yeah, I saw a loose thread. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It was just, it was a flesh wound. Just a flesh wound. It wouldn't go all the way to the artery. one last thing on this whole thing. Where the fuck is AR Fox been? Remember he was part of the whole thing? He helped break into Nick Wayne's house with Swerve back in the day. That's right.

Yeah, he was a part of the whole thing. And that somehow he turned back baby face and he apologized. And then I don't know what happened, but here he is after all this time. And he's wrestling Swerve for 15 minutes and then Swerve helps him up. okay whose house apparently not swerves anymore I believe he was

he was asked to leave see I thought I was gonna say whose house I thought you would go well half a house well and why didn't you feed me that somehow a third of a house I knew what I was talking about a third of a house they say yeah it was maybe maybe 32%

all right Knoxville Civic Coliseum by the way depending on the rest of set up can be from 5,000 to if you had no curtain anywhere and opened every seat in the house southeast and put in the risers southeastern got 6,500 in there. I don't think that's ever been done again for a wrestling setup. Nevertheless, then guess who came out? There was a job guy in the ring, but we came back from a break and boom, MJF music. and now

explain this to me Brian we're down to with some of these guys and poor MJF is amongst them where the music gets a pop from the people but when they see the actual person they don't cheer what did they think there's a guy in the ring they were going to see

MJF wrestle and he came out in street clothes and obviously not going to wrestle and they felt deflated or what but it's like they'll pop on music but they won't pop onto people. Why are they not popping onto people, Jerry?

I think because of some of the people MJF has worked with and some of the segments they've done together, people need to see something from MJF maybe right now. They need to see something different with someone different

and they certainly weren't positively reacting to the Jeff Jarrett stuff. So I think in a lot of ways maybe this was a hold your breath and see what is this because we just saw Jeff and Clark. audio do their angle. Well, and what is this?

Was MJF told the job guy to leave the ring and to Jeff Jarrett, you ought to give every fan here an apology. But I deserve an apology more than anybody. Because what you did last week, I made you the offer. And then he reiterated the offer was, hey, Jeff, I'll help you win the deal, the title shot, and then you win the title, and then blah, blah, blah. And then you give me a title shot.

he made Jeff the offer because he thought that Jeff would be the easiest one to beat and that that went a while and I don't think the people really cared about hearing it but finally he's a pro wrestling doesn't love you anymore these fans don't love you which sparked a few medium double j chance and sometimes you're better off making a deal with the devil

than defying him MJF has gotten into category of trying too hard at this point to make up for everything that's been done to him but he's he's obviously now remember early on MJF was the smooth the the the roaster the unflappable I'm smarter than you I'm better than you than you know it and remember I said every once in a while when he would get too mad that somebody get too far under his skin, that that wasn't good for him. He need to be able to still keep his goddamn,

well, now he's having temper tantrums and losing his shit and blurting out things that he allegedly doesn't want to blurt out. He's into these things more than anybody in the crowd is. He's going, he's either madder or he's more invested in this. It just looks awkward. Do you see what I'm trying to say? you think he should be riling everyone up, not the one to get riled up?

Somewhat. And I think that trying so hard to get people into this rotten material or situations that he's been forced to work with, I'm not saying the, you know, it just, it's too much, he's, people, he's cried wolf. He ain't been the devil in a long time. with most of people he's talking to or about or wanting to fuck with, the people don't particularly care whether the devil fucking goes down to Georgia on them or not. Is he the devil again? Or was Adam Cole the devil?

Well, he's doing the devil horns, and he said sometimes you're better off making a deal with the devil than defying him to Jeff. So now he's the devil. He's the devil. He's the devil again. The devil made him. it. But it's not done. Because when he said

that, then music played, and here came hang-nail Adam Page. It was his match. The announcer, well, it was his match that we thought we were going to see when MJF came out. Then why the fuck did he wait 10 minutes to come out

until MJF had said all that shit? And Paige got up in MJF's face and is telling him, get they get out of here leave get out of my area here or whatever and the fans at least were chanting but they were chanting cowboy shit isn't that what they wanted them to do four years ago the people in knoxville may have not been paying close attention does he still do the cowboy shit i thought he was a heel what is he who is he let me clarify this what the fuck is going on

there will be no clarity if he's few people Shooting with MJF, or I mean, I don't know if that's what this is. If they're having issues, he's a baby face. Maybe it's like Sergeant Slaughter is a heel bumping in the heel iron chic in the aisleway. And then all of a sudden, Sergeant Slaughter is a baby face. Maybe it's something like that. And I will say, I hadn't even thought of it as an option until this show. Adam Page versus MJF, it's something they haven't done that could be interesting.

thing. Well, does Page start sandbagging and sabotaging MJF like he did punk when he got a chance to do something on top? Maybe. I can't rule that out, obviously. It's on his track record, but... Jesus Christ, then. That's all MJF needs.

But in terms of... You're talking about what MJF needs. What he doesn't need is Adam Cole. What he doesn't need, as it turns out, is Jeff Jarrett. What he doesn't need is anyone else. he has already been married to at some point in the last five years. Now, he's done little things with Adam Page, going back to the very beginning, but those two guys have been there since the beginning, there's steadies on that show.

I'm not saying it's ideal. I'm not the biggest Hangman Page fan. Whenever you want to invest in him, he delivers a soft promo. But I'll take this over. There aren't too many other things right now with anyone who's not already just doing something, although if AEW dropped the Jarrett thing, maybe they'll drop the Moxley thing or something else, but

I'm okay with seeing where this is for at least a little while. Well, at least now we have another clue here, though, because Paige is still out there, so he beat the job guy in 30 seconds, and then as any true upcoming baby face, kept beating on him after the

match and gave him a big face plant fucking move, Chris Daniels' move, and then music played and Chris Daniels came out in a neck brace. Right, now he's a heel again. Because apparently whatever they've been doing on collision or

rampage or whatever they had a Texas death match and Paige fuck Daniels up and Daniels will... Daniels, it comes out and says all I ever wanted to do was be your friend, but I messed that up. So wait, if this guy

has dropped you on your head and retired you, so you're going to come out and apologize to him. you attacked me and said what you said and I let my ego and insecurities escalate it after you attacked me to a point where I accepted the most violent match against the most violent man

and I regret that and I wrote what the fuck it now another baby face is apologizing to some guy that's fucking and I regret that so yeah I said I regret it So after the Texas death match, the doctor told Daniels to never wrestle again. So, Adam, you win. This is goodbye.

I'm sorry and I hope you can be happy. And he walks off and leaves Paige standing there. And Paige is just mute, just silence. So are the fans, by the way. But so is this the first time in history that somebody will be shamed into becoming a baby face again? He was shaming him into becoming a baby face again. baby face? What baby face has received more shame,

even if it's self-shame than Adam Page in the history of AEW in K-Fabe? That's his whole gimmick. He's drinking because of shame. Everything's because of something. All righty. Well, we know one thing that Mercedes Monet

can do now properly. She can walk when you cure her. Did you see when they cut to her backstage and she's standing there and then suddenly they queued her to walk and she started walking. And not many people can just nail that the first time.

So she's got four belts now. You can't see her for the belt. She's got some English indie girls belt. She's got the Japanese belt. She got the fucking AEW belt, whatever. And then here came Harley Cameron in again. They're going to shoehorn her into anything. Just to get you to talk about them.

and she sang a challenge to Mercedes while playing a guitar. And I thought, have you ever watched, like, remember, America's Got Talent, you know, where they did the audition show, where they showed you the people that suck that couldn't get on? Help me. Of course, I know what this is. Of course, everyone knows what that is. Well, the whole, I'm not even talking about just the song. I mean the whole segment.

Mercedes is stilted delivery and the fact that she didn't even have a microphone, a boom mic properly on her, which she started talking until Renee Moksley Good walked in with a real microphone, and then here comes this girl out of nowhere singing a challenge while accompanying herself on the guitar. Renee's kind of grooving to it. I told you, Harley Cameron's really talented. Get her away from wrestling. She needs a good manager.

Come on, one of you guys in Hollywood? She needs a subway and a hat to turn upside down to catch the loose change. If she picked the right station, she can get discovered. So you're saying that Harley Cameron could make a lot of cash in a subway if she worked it right?

With her act, yes. I don't know where you're going. I don't know where your dirty mind. Your dirty mind is going. What do you call that an act? I'd say it's pretty natural. But anyway, then Jamie Hater wrestled Jimmy Hart.

Oh, I'm sorry, I had my shorthand. That's Julia Hart. What did you think of that match, Brian? Jamie Hater used to look like such a badass and look cool. Now she looks like, if you said to AI, make me a wrestler named Velvet McIntyre. That's what would pop up.

She was like Ronald McDonald's assistant. Only a Velvet had carnal. knowledge of Ronald McDonald. What is, I don't know. It's not an appealing gimmick change. Is it a gimmick change if you just change your look? I don't even know. I don't know.

That's what I kept thinking. All right. Well, in the back, swerve was screaming about being the most dangerous man in AEW. Now, Paige was the most violent man. But you can be violent without being dangerous, I guess. but how dangerous is goddamn

Swerve his manager has been kidnapped, abducted, abused, anal probed Swerve himself has been beaten left laying, lost his belt Bobby Lashley punked him out Nana is standing back there Verclimped while Swerve is screaming

about what he's going to do, but he never does anything. Is this why we're overswerve? Again, he is the most violent, dastardly man in A.W., and you think about, yeah, well, you know, he kidnapped. Well, he didn't kidnap the kid. He just went and terrorized the kid on camera. Yeah, yeah.

And besides that, the kid was under 12 months old, so you can't really terrorize. He don't know what's going on. Well, he also... He could be Uncle Swerve making faces. He also broke into Nick Wayne's wrestling complex and beat the shit out of him. But on the other hand, he's also had his... house burned down. And someone else drank his blood.

And there's been all sorts of things. He had one of his dreadlocks ripped out. He had his grill taken. That's right. But you don't want to mess with him. Well, I'll tell you what, when you pull somebody's teeth out and they don't do anything about it. So then there was a message from the remaining members of the House of Blecht.

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And there's Buddy and there's Brody and there's Julian and there's a dog. So there's no Malachi. One can assume Malachi out, dog in. Is the dog a bird? better worker or a better talker than Malachi. Let me ask you this, would everyone assuming he's going back to WWE, and that's probably a fair assumption?

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There was a nice hand for Edge when he came out because they know who he is. He's been somewhere. Pack came through the crowd and I don't know if anybody noticed. Except, but they probably said, why is that guy coming back from the concession stand with no shirt on? But then he got in a ring and I noticed that it was, 9.44 p.m. Eastern time. That means even without an overrun, they had 16 minutes to go.

So I fucking zipped ahead till after their break and they were getting, they were, PAC was getting some heat on edge, and I started watching it, and I zoned out on it. They were being very careful not to rush. Let's put it that way.

you know it's always one of these things it's always too hot or too cold it's never just right but i mean i don't know i didn't watch the whole thing i think edge is a pro he's got plenty of experience but he made a comeback he milked the spear pack wouldn't get up and edge wouldn't go to him because he could spear him in the fucking back finally pack got up he got up and and Edge went to him and Pack leapfrog the spear and they went right into another spot. It just,

Pack to me has timing issues, especially when he spends 15 minutes on the top rope, but it just, I don't know what's going on. At one point, Pac got a submission hold on Edge while he was on Edge's back. Edge was fully supporting his weight. I'm thinking fall straight back. Just fall straight back.

The fans, I thought, were zoned out. What gave that away? Was it the dead silence? Well, that was the first clue I had. And then when I saw the ushers holding mirrors in front of the front row people's mouths to check and see if they were breathing. So the ghost of Bueller in the front row?

This was bad enough for Buella to come back to life to hoot at him. Pack kept kicking Edge in the back of the head because Edge wouldn't move. he got kicked in the back of the head and he just slumped and he just stayed there and it did not move to be kicked in the back of the head again then the Joe Schmo show started or the Joe Schmoe start showed

I wonder if the ratings will be better for Joe Schmoe than they were for AEW so what do you think of the fact that Moxley choked out I mean we always say that every you feel like he's always beat down did you even bring up the FTR rock and roll express thing here? Well, hold on, I ain't there yet. I say the Joe Schmo show show, the Joe Schmo show

the Joe Schmo show started, but it was still the wrestling. That was the overrun. I thought you were saying just all of a sudden your version went right to the actual show. No, because the DVR stops, you've got to go to the Joe Schmo show on DVR to continue watching this thing and they go one minute past the hour and then Edge hits the cutter on PAC 1, 2, 3. And they start playing

Edge's music and suddenly Moxley is on the screen again. And as Edge looks, there's Claudio and Marina Schaefer and I think old Wheely, Wheely useless, he was in there too,

but they have these three people and one woman have Cash Wheeler and Dax Hardwood tied to chairs, duct tape to chairs with their mouse duct taped. Dax is over on his side in the chair.

Cash is trying to wiggle. And the Rock and Roll Express are on the floor. Remember they got kidnapped and duct taped to a cage a couple weeks ago. Now, they were on the floor, but you couldn't tell who it was. because Ricky's face down with his face turned away from the camera

on a chair so they can concerto him in a second and Robert I think he was turned his face out of shame and the announcers which if you're listening to them you might have heard past all of the and the dick the boozer and his screaming minions that's the Rock and Roll Express they're doing publicity but no now they're down on the goddamn ground and they hit Ricky Morton with the fake chair shot

that resounds by hitting the floor because his brains would explode if they really did that and there's no way for him to sell it and then they walk off and leave the two guys tied to the chair and the Rock and Roll Express face down on the floor and walk into the arena where Edge is alone and they surround the ring

So you mean to tell me that Edge is one of the biggest stars in this company and the only four people out of this giant roster and everybody that we've seen tonight that would even think about coming out to help him was FTR and two guys in their mid to late 60s to begin with what the fuck. and they all jump edge and there's mild booing and they get weak heat.

And then here comes Jay White with music and all by it's Jay White. And people are like, eh? And didn't he beat up one or two in the alleyway and that he got in the ring and they stopped him? And the fans were indifferent to that. and then Moxley got the choke on edge and they were holding Jay White down immobile and so nobody in the ring was moving

and this was the heat they were getting where they're holding one guy and not moving themselves and the other guy's choking the other guy and neither one of them were moving and then the heels got up and left after they'd finished fucking choking these fucking goofballs out. The fans weren't moving either.

Whew. I don't I don't know what to tell you. That was that. I mean, there's so much to say. First of all, if you're going to do this kind of stupid shit with the Rock and Roll Express, wouldn't you establish on this show that they are there?

Could maybe they have done the backstage interview instead of Jeff Jarrett doing the backstage interview about the interview he was about to go out to the rig and do live. Harley Cameron got two segments. Well, she's got two of a lot of things, and it's not fair. Well, she got two segments, they got kidnapped. Yes, she. You know, Edge and Dax and Cash are kind of the same

in terms of baby faces that have been beat down or just made the look foolish so often that they're not effective baby faces anymore. Dax and Cash were tied to each. Dax was turned over on the chair Cash at least had the dignity to be sitting up straight Well, no, that means that Dax was putting up more of a struggle After how did they get them in that position

What did they propofal them? That's what I Had they get all four? Was it one by one or did they do it all at one time? It's ridiculous. They must have been hanging out behind, you know, Ricky Morton knows exactly where that one room all the way at the end of the bowels of the Coliseum is

where you could entertain a female company. I bet they staked out that door and caught them all as they were coming out. I remember that room. That was the one that had the sign that said no Andrea. Hey, come on now. Was that a different room? I don't know.

That was a different room. The point is this does nothing for the baby faces. The fans aren't reacting to anything that Heel Moxley does. You began this show with what was a hot series of events for AEW. made not have all made sense. But it doesn't matter. The fans were into it. People were jumping all over the place.

They were over. The fans reacted to Kenny. The fans reacted to Osprey. Fans didn't react to PAC. Fans didn't react to Edge. Fans certainly aren't reacting. No, they cheered him when he came out. They just didn't want to see the pack.

And then they went to sleep because no one wants to see him wrestle. And they certainly didn't react to Moxley. And you said Edge is a star. I, you know, he was part of the star machine. I have not seen anything since he has returned, especially to AEW since he has entered AEW. He doesn't feel like a star. Whatever he may have been a long time ago,

he just seems like a baby face with bad instincts. Well, to be fair, to be fair, every star that's come to AEW doesn't seem like a star anymore. Just to be fair. You know, and I think, well, Ashley and Shelton, we said it before. They're super over, and you don't hear any complaints about the fact that they're not young guys. But with Jeff Jarrett, and especially Edge, who's younger than Jeff Jarrett, these guys look so old.

It's like a different energy. It's not the right, they're not getting, nothing's giving off the right energy right now. The opening of the show kind of did, and the heart business did. Hurtsin today. I'm trying to think because I can't remember exactly and I don't want to give wrong figures but somebody ought to add up

the combined age of Edge and fuck flummox what's his name? You just said. Jared. Edge and Jeff. Yes, thank you. And Christian.

Throw Christian on it. He's the number one contender. No, hold there. The comparison I was going to make. Put. And Jeff looks pretty dagum good, especially his arms for 57. But put.

He looks. old. Add up Edge and Jeff Jarrett's age and then add up Shelton and Lashley's age and I bet it wouldn't be that fucking strikingly different and goddamn those two guys look like they could kick the shit out of everybody in the company.

I mean, Shelton, yeah. I mean, I'm not saying, not to your point, just in terms of how he looks in terms of age. But Bobby Lashley, it's kind of remarkable how much he has not aged facially or in any way. Yeah. 25 years.

Hell, there you go. But that's the state of AEW. They got things right now that the fans are really into, or at least the fans are into, and there's stuff that silences the fans and kills the crowd, and the Moxley stuff, I mean, the most difficult conversation is going to be if Tony gets to a point where he doesn't let it play out

the way Moxley wants it to. But at this point, how could you? How close to the end of this thing? thing you think we are in Moxley's head. I think it's going for a while. Oh, God. I love the idea. We probably have to wait at least until Darby gets off Mount Everest. Well, that ain't going to happen. We have to wait at least until Orange Cassidy returns. Maybe they can get a Darby plaque to put up in memory of Darby, who's still somewhere on Mount

Everest. So that's the thing, you know, I hate the Moxley stuff, but Edge went along with it here. Why is Edge letting a... Edge doesn't really... right now the last thing he needs as an on-air character is to once again be laid out, especially just choked out to the point where you're dead, and they just leave while the fans sit there in silence? What the fuck? And it's already been established now that the only tenuous friend you might have that's not able to be kidnapped and tied to anything that's handy is fucking Jay White, and he was no help whatsoever. Everybody else just, ah, fuck him. I got to beat the traffic. And again, FTR, they never...

are presented as strong baby faces. They're always presented as secondary characters who get kidnapped or attacked. And that doesn't help anyone, but that was AEW Dynamite. Jim, we have the ratings. I was about to ask if anybody watched this thing. AEW Dynamite

on Wednesday, January 22nd, 2025, 8 to 10.06 p.m., on average, according to Resolomics 655,000 viewers Oh, they're still over 600,000 They made a big comeback from last month or whatever

But Down 4% from last week Which was 679 Up 7% from the trailing four weeks Which was 614 But now here I'm wondering They're on max now

So apparently not only did nobody migrate over to watching on Max but some people that have come back to watching here instead of going to Max that weren't watching last month so what are we hearing about Max? What about Max? Not Friedman but the streaming, Max streaming.

We're not hearing too much and I think if the numbers were extraordinary they would probably be talked about a little more. But again, that's, that's, the thing. It's a different situation than Netflix. Netflix is the only option. Max is just an option. Yeah, maybe, maybe the thing is that the threat of AEW on streaming has run people back to cable. No, they figured out a good way to get people to Max. They announced that Australia show and they had no times, and I just have to go there all day and just wait and hope. See what

happens. Wishing and hoping. All right, quarter one, where did we start out here? Let's go to the quarterly breakdown. Quarter one. These were compiled by WrestleMania, 8 to 8.15 p.m. The Will Osprey, Kenny Omega, Don Callis Live Angle, 832,000 viewers. Okay, I'm seeing a cliff coming with their average and that strong of a start. That's a good name for a job, or Cliff Coming. Cliff Coming.

Quarter to 815 to 8.30 p.m. You know, if only out of thought of that, when I had Cliff Compton, down here. The Death Riders promo and private party versus the Hertz Syndicate with picture and picture ads 695,000 viewers. Okay, so was the Big Bang theory

is still the lead-in? But 137,000 people said, oh my God, we've made a drastic mistake in the first 15 minutes. All right. Well, again, I think just in general, the number the second quarter, as always, is the true number that they're starting with, but we got a quarter 3, 830 to 845 p.m. Continuation of Party versus Syndicate, the Mariah May video, the Tony Storm Harley Cameron backstage angle, an ad break, the Jeff Jarrett Karen Jarrett backstage angle,

and the Jeff Jarrett live promo. What a quarter. 643,000 viewers. Oh, good. Good God. Okay, there went another 52,000, so we are now down a hundred and seventy-nine thousand people from in the first 45 minutes. Tell me more. 8.45 to 9 p.m. quarter four, Claudio Castignolli confronting Jeff Jarrett, an ad break, the Megan Bain video, and the start of A.R. Fox versus Swerve Strickler. into a picture and picture. MR. Ducks. Every time I hear A.R. I think EMR.

Ducks. 601,000 viewers. All right, well, we've lost 231,000 people in one hour. That's, that's 25% of what they started, more than 25% of what they started with. And we're at the top of the 9 o'clock hour, and now I'm thinking they have to pick something up somewhere

to be able to meet their average by the end. of this thing, don't they? Well, we'll find out what happens here in the second hour. The big 9 o'clock hour, 9 to 9.15 p.m. quarter five. Here comes the golden scissors. The continuation of Fox versus swerve. The postmatch with Rikoshae and Prince Nana and small scissors.

The Learning Tree backstage promo. The MJF Live promo. Adam Page versus Tyler Schoop. Tyler Shoop. Shoop Shoop Shoop And the

Adam Page Christopher Daniel's ramp angle 646,000 Shoups Well they brought in 45,000 extra shoops at the top of the hour

Why didn't they put Tyler Shoup on TV before He's the only one's been able to bring the numbers up Well they may have to put more of him On the show next week We'll find out We go now to quarter six 915 and 930 p.m.

We start with an ad break, the Mercedes Monet, Harley Cameron backstage angle, and the start of Jamie Hader versus Julia Hart with picture and picture. 637,000 viewers. Well, that ain't bad. That's seven, uh, hold on, four. Wait, six, and nine thousand, nine thousand different. All right, you found the number? I found the number.

See, it was one of the ones that they hide. every once in a while. We go to quarter 7.9.30 to 9.45 p.m. The continuation of Hart versus Hater. The postmatch. An icicle just fell down outside. An ad break. Sware Strickland's backstage promo.

Brody King, Buddy Matthews, and Julia Hart's video. And the start of Cope versus Pack. 618,000 viewers. Good Lord. Edge. lost people, lost 19,000 of them. Holy crap. If you were an edge fan and you wanted to see him come back,

you've seen anything you wanted to see by now. Unfortunately. Do you think they could have a special match with swerve against the insurance adjuster that denied the claim on his house being burned down? Well, we'll see what Tony could book next time they go to Washington or something. But Jim, we go now at a quarter eight, and I remind you, we have an overrun. 9.45 to 10 p.m. Cope versus Pack continued.

Every bit of it. With picture and picture. 590,000 viewers. Six-minute overrun. More Cope versus Pack. The Death Riders, FTR, the rock and roll, and Jay White. 592,000 viewers. 2,000 people showed up for Joe Schmo.

Uh, well, on the bright side, 590 and 592 is not as bad as I thought it was going to be. And on the, the dim side, they started with 832, they finished with 592, that's 240,000 people, or... What percentage, Brian, is 240,000 of 832,000? Oh, fuck you, hold on. well it's it's somewhere it's somewhere right right a little less than a third they lost 30% of their audience all right well i hear i hear the clicking well no i apparently the window i had open with the calculator closed i don't know oh oh well what the fuck no wonder you're hearing all these noises in the background if you've got your

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And Jim, we are still in January, so year end polls are still coming in or starting to come in. And we have the latest pro wrestling illustrated here. Every year we talk about their annual awards. Oh, boy. The latest issue? spring 2025, 999 in issue. Jesus. Jesus, what in the world?

Is that the price of a magazine? No wonder nobody reads anymore. I used to be able to go in the fucking local airport newsstand wherever I happen to be flying out of and get eight magazines for $10. The headline, Blonds Have More Fun, and wins on the cover and has Liv Morgan, Tony Storm, and Mariah May, a purple cover. someone else should design their covers let me just let me just add that to the equation here but let's go to the awards the 2024 year and pro wrestling awards from the staff is this all women all women on the cover is this an all female list or what's going on here no it's there are female winners but they're just appealing to the horny men that buy the magazine these days rather than trying to go any any any any you know high road type of thing here. They're just going straight for the smut.

I think in general, it seems like pro wrestling illustrated as it currently is situated. They go with either just women or unknowns that they're trying to champion. And it always seems like a weird strategy to me. I guess there are horny people that just want pictures of women that you'll see on TV that aren't going to be doing anything explicit. It's just a wrestling magazine, but... But they're positioned that way. So they've got those women

in those positions. Yeah, again, that's the way they're positioning it, but Yes. They certainly like to advocate for certain people. Which one is reverse cowgirl on that cover? Okay, that's not here, but let's go to Rookie of the Year, Jim, for 2024, the rookie of the year, Kalani Jordan. Who, what?

From NXT, Kailani Jordan, 48% of the vote. 48%. Who did they consider rookies past this young, person. Well, also from NXT. Jada Parker. Jada Parker. And also from, where is this person from? TNA, G.C.W.

NXT. Oh, Carmen Petrovich. What? 8%. And finally from Japan, Oleg Bolton. Oleg Bolton from when Michael Bolton had that affair with that Russian whore. Talk to Rob. All right.

Kalani Jordan, a very attractive young lady. Who are all these people's names? What was the one that got 8% was who? Carmen Petrovich. Okay. All right, well, let's go now. The Most Improved Wrestler of the Year with 23% of the vote. It's Mariah May.

Mariah May, Most Improved Wrestler, coming in second. Does that mean this is another way of saying this category is people who sucked last year? With 19% Nia Jaxx. No, geez. Oh, God. Well, yeah, she's all right now, but you should have seen her last year. With 14% Obafemi, and at 9% Maxine Dupree.

Oh, good. Somebody thinks she's improved from what? To what? 35% of the votes went to the following other people, including Megan Bain, Luke Jacobs, my Sakurai and Ash by elegance. Who's buying this fucking magazine? That's an interesting question. Let's go to comeback of the year

with 20% of the vote. Liv Morgan, come back of the year. Coming in second place with 19% Mercedes Monet. Oh boy, well, at least we've heard of these people, but I don't know if I'd call it a come back. maybe a go back rather than a comeback. And filling out the rest of the people who got the big votes,

18% for Randy Orton and 14% for The Rock. Okay, so the Rock nor Randy Orton's comeback was bigger than Mercedes-Moons. 29% for others, including Thunder Rosa, Mike Santana, Nigel McGuinness, and Chavez. Did Santana come back? Just not an AEW. Oh, okay. Well, Jim, we'll be. we now go to another big category,

the inspirational wrestler of the year. The wrestler that inspires you to do what? I actually don't know what they're inspiring you to do. Well, they're inspiring you to be a better person, to lead a better life. Overcome obstacle.

Most pretentious of the year is also what this is known as, but inspirational wrestler of the year with 28%. Cody Rhodes. Cody Rhodes, 28%. Okay, okay. Well, he has a positive message, you know, for the people. He always wants to know what they want to talk about, so he's polite.

So I can see that. 22% voted for Brian Danielson. He inspired people not to make the same mistakes he's made. Signed in AWW. Exactly. 8% went to Sammy Zane. Because he's the one that inspires people who are mad at each other to talk to each other. He may be the most inspirational promo.

of the bunch so far, but at seven percent... He does get the people fired up. Yeah, at 7 percent, Jeff Jarrett. Okay. Does he inspire you? Are you inspired? They didn't talk to the AEW fans on this one, apparently. 35 percent voted for others, including Otis, Mark Briscoe.

Wait a minute, what are? Is Otis inspiring people? I've got to lose weight. I can't look like that. I guess because he turned on Chad Gable, he wouldn't put up with the bullying anymore. I'm not sure. Mark Briscoe Jessica Chor

Actually Mark Briscoe probably should be the person to win the thing but nevertheless Jessica Troy Who would that be? I don't know And Mike Santana He inspired people

With the way that he almost came back The most popular wrestler of the year Okay With 28% Any guesses? If you go legitimately Most popular you have to be in a Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes,

C.M. Punk type of echelon, don't you? With 28% of the vote, Cody Rhodes. There you go. The most popular wrestler of the year, coming in second place with 17% Jay Uso. Oh, and Jay.

Forgot about that mass hypnosis. Coming in third place with 8% Joe Hendry. That's, uh, Joe has a big family, 8%. With five, Ria Ripley.

Okay. With all due respect to Joe Hendry, how the fuck did he give more votes than a woman that's on television that is seen by multiple tens of times of... All right. Is there a chance that the actual readership of PWI would skew more towards the smaller TNA fan base?

You think? Because they championed TNA wrestlers than the YWWE audience. but 42% voted for others. If they knew who Grover Farquhar was a few minutes ago, I have a feeling they're following the smaller promotions. 42% voted for others, including Roman Reins,

L.A. Knight, Brian Danielson, and Mark Briscoe, the most hated wrestler of the year. Any guesses? Again, one would think it would be someone in the WWE, but is it you can't really call Drew McIntyre hated the bloodline.

Let's go with Solo. 44% voted for Dominic Mysterio Oh, forgot about Dominic. Coming in second place, 10% for Solo Sacoa. Okay. 7% for MJF. 6% for Logan Paul. 33%

Those 6% actually have met him personally. 33% voted for others including Jack Perry, Chris Jericho, Liv Morgan, and Drew McIntyre. Boy, with Perry and Jericho. I think it's, yeah, we really hate these son of a bitches. Feud of the year. Any guesses? Oh, boy. Um, punk and Drew. 36% of the vote.

CM Punk versus Drew McIntyre. Feud of the year. There you go. Second place, 17% for Adam Page versus Swerve Strickland. Ha ha ha! ha! 16% for Liv Morgan versus Ria Ripley and 9% for Mariah May versus Tony Storm. they're breaking this up

in a like, can we give the WW2 and we give AW2 aren't they? Because how else could this be happening 22% voted for others including Cody versus the bloodline

NXT versus TNA the bloodline versus the bloodline and FE versus Mance Warner the bastard of the Warner family Placy

there was there was Jack there was Harry and there was that fucking... But again, how... No. The others, the bloodline

versus the bloodline that carried a lot of business in the top company but didn't quite place with page and swerve. All right. The indie wrestler of the year, 39% voted from Mustafa Ali.

Well, I remember I said he should be on the Indies when we had to watch him in W-W.E. 20% voted for Matt Cardona, 8% voted for Mance Warner, 5% voted for Alley-Catch, 28% voted for others including Darius Carter, Shazza McKenzie, Hy-on,

and Cruel. Hy-on? H-Y-A-N. Hy-N-N-R-N-R-N-R-N-R-M-E-L, maybe that's a team. Match of the year, Jim. thinks match of the year for 2024. Punk and Drew in a Helen cell. 35% voted for Roman Reins versus Cody Rhodes at WrestleMania.

Oh, okay. I forget. It's only been nine months. I forgot. Speaking of 9, 9% voted for second place. CM Punk versus Drew McIntyre, Hell in a Cell. Filed by 8% for Danielson versus Swerve, 7% for Danielson versus Osprey,

and that 41% voted for others. We won't go through those. Tag team of the year. Who do you give it to? Men and women. None of the above. 25% voted for Bianca Bel Air and Jade Cargill. Well, they've got a bright future.

Followed by 15% for the Young Bucks. Oh, geez. 10% for Fraxium. Now, hold on before we even get into that. If they hadn't have listed, the young bucks and Tony wouldn't talk to him anymore. Because you know that would create heat, so they had to be in there. And Fraxium? That's the team of Axiom and Nathan Frazier.

Fraxium. Where? Where? In their backyard? NXT. NXT. Oh, Christ. And 7% for the judgment day of Finn and JD. That's his name. 43% voted for other tag teams, included in FTR.

the system, the unholy union. Who? What? And DIY. Who's the unholy union? I'm not sure. Sounds like some kind of fucking blind date that Heyman would be set up with. Faction of the year.

So FTR didn't even nudge Fraxium off the chart there. Okay. Faction of the year? The bloodline, 29%, followed by the Y at 6 at 19%. The Judgment Day at 15%. Where have they gone? They're on Smackdown now.

We've been watching Smackdown. Well, thankfully, we haven't seen them. That's what I'm saying. Maybe we shouldn't watch. Maybe somebody thought better of that. Judgment Day at 15%. And the Blackpool Combat Club slash Death Riders at 13%.

We go now to Woman of the Year. Any guesses on woman of the year? Ria Ripley. 25% have voted for Tony Storm. Ah. Woman of the year, followed by 14%. She's got magnesia.

She can't remember anything. She's got complete magnesia. How can she be the woman of the year? Followed by 14% for Liv Morgan. 13% for Ria Ripley, 11% for Jordan Grace, and 37% for others, including Roxanne Perez. Mercedes Monet, Willow Nightingale, and Athena.

Athena, you hit me in the face with your big old ass and potatoed me. No, that's not how the song goes. It's Athena. I didn't know you were still wrestling. I haven't seen you. Wrestler of the year, any guesses on Wrestler of the year? Well, that's got to be the code man,

Cody Rhodes carrying a company on his back like he has, being the biggest star in all the business. Man, all these years, he's still out here, he's got a suit on in this photo, that tattoo is such a fucking mistake. 42% Cody Rhodes, wrestler of the year, filed by Goethe at 11%, Will Osprey at 8%, and Danielson at 7%. Two and two, it's always two and two.

Other votes, 32% went for swerve, Jordan Grace, Damian Priest, John Moxley, and Roman Raines. Now, these are just awards. The Stanley Weston Awards, Booker T, Mickey James, Gail Kim, and Dave Meltzer. Oh, wait a minute. The Stanley O Westin, Stanley O'Westin,

Stanley Weston, yes. Yes, that's the Stanley was Italian. The Stanley Weston Award, is that for pissing people off? that's what he did before Apter came in and smooth things over all the fucking promoters hated Stanley West it's for a lifetime achievement if it took a long time to piss all those people off

so Booker T Mickey James Gail Kim and Dave Meltzer are now official Stanley Weston award winners and those are the PWI Awards any thoughts yes boy the magazines have become out

law to go along with the wrestling, haven't they? It certainly seems... But there used to be a plethora of big stars that you could make lists of, and it wouldn't sound goofy. But now they have to include people that almost nobody has heard of just to field a team there. Well, that was the 2024 PWA Awards, and we'll stay in touch and in touch. We'll keep on top of the other awards as they were.

rolling. We've done the South Korean Awards and now the PWI Awards. Yes. The awards just keep on coming. We're going to stay on top of all those positions they've got there on that magazine. Jim, let's get some questions here. This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from

Joe Musoff. Would things be different if Steve Austin never turned heel at WrestleMania 17? Is there a could way to turn I guess a good way. Is there a good way to turn crowds against Stone Called Steve Austin? Oh, boy. Things would have been different in that right at the same time, WCW went out of business and ECW went bankrupt. So there was going to be an exodus of fans away from wrestling to begin with because a lot of those people gave up when WCW was gone.

like, well, we don't want to watch WWF, so we're done. That's been proven by the statistics. However, it did a lot of damage to me to the WWF's business when they were still so hot. They were still hot at that point, even though they'd won the Monday Night War. And, you know, people didn't want to see that. They lost faith in Austin. It may be a fake business, but this guy's somehow. how real to us

and the last thing he's going to do is hug the boss and it just it destroyed the image they thought they were trying to freshen him up because how can you be that hot for any longer and I think Steve was worried about it but

in the end what they did there was it was hard to come back from and it was never the same even though obviously you know years later now people love Austin but it didn't sit well at the time. Of course, he didn't have much longer in the ring

because of his neck anyway, but no, I think he had such a special bond that it hurt their business, even with all the other things going on. That was a big one. Is it as simple as it should have been known that it was a crazy idea to turn him heel? I mean, can you understand Vince's desire to do that?

No. I can't understand. Does Steve wanting to do it? I can't understand Vince saying okay or wanting to do it, but I didn't understand ending the Undertaker's streak either with Brock at least, definitely. And but when Vince would get an idea, generally it would happen. When Vince and one of the top guys would get an idea, there was, who was going to fucking say, no, don't do that. people could say no don't do that but their word didn't become law it was only a suggestion well jim another story that we talked about on the experience and we'll i guess follow up with it here because a lot of the listeners have sent this in i have an article from wrestling ink by fayden clote about what who where i don't know who brett britt baker responds to podcast report

that she cheated on fellow AEW star Adam Cole. Wait, did we report that? We most certainly did not even allude to it. At first I've heard of it, but do tell me more. Adam Cole and Britt Baker were considered by many to be AEW's power couple after Cody Rhodes and Brandy Rhodes left the promotion. But unfortunately for fans of the two,

they ended their seven-year-long career sometime in 2020. Their career? They made a career out of being the significant other of the other. They ended their relationship, I think is what, who, Bastion Booger, who wrote this?

The name, I'm not going to scroll back up right now. All right, and it's not worth scrolling. Rumors began to spread about the reason for their split with wrestling veteran Conan claiming on his podcast that it was due to an affair. Here's a quote, I was the first one that said her and Cole had broken up. And the AEW fans were on me again.

Now you see, it's true. And I'm going to throw this little one in there. Very credible source. It happened because she was cheating on him, okay? Well, okay. Conan's spilling the tea there. He's such a little gossip girl always. What do you think, before I read anything else here,

what do you think about the fact that someone who's not involved in anything directly with the person that's just spilling all that kind of shit out there? Well, it does seem to be bordering on bad taste when you're talking about people's personal relationships, but there can be said that they were both on television and talking publicly about their relationships. So on that one, I go back to, I've told you that. before Davy Richards told me and Delirious one night that he wanted to propose after

his match at the Hammerstein ballroom he wanted to propose marriage to his girlfriend in the ring and he was our top baby face I told Delirious I said you think he's going to marry her and he said considering the way Davy blurts other things out probably not and we talked him out of it

because he didn't bury her I don't think he was with her another two months. So if you're going to make something out of it on television and make it part of the deal, then you better make sure that it's a long-term thing because everybody kind of looks crummy when it ain't. And at least we haven't broken any news of any affairs here on the show here. We're still above that.

bar. We may have done it but without naming names or anything in the past, but here's a tweet from Dr. Britt Baker, January 22nd, 827 p.m. I understand we as performers are expected to have thick skin through opinions and lies we read about ourselves. But spreading lies about my personal life is just low, weird, and something I won't tolerate. I've never cheated on anyone in my life. Hashtag, tell your source. And from what I understand, Conan's not welcome in the women's locker room anymore. Well, and he was always with open arms. They would fling the doors open before. But is hashtag tell your source, a popular hashtag? I've not seen that hashtag before, but she's saying if... Wouldn't you just say then, tell your fucking source instead of hashtagging it?

I guess you're making it look cuter that way. I can understand why a lot of people would do that. Well, the layout does look more aesthetically pleasing. So I guess that's the end of it here. What do you think of her responding to it? And, you know, again, with all the issues, all the conversation about issues between Britt Baker and AEW management right now, we don't hear a peep from her. All of a sudden she's going off on Twitter about this. Well, I think, you know, she's denying the maligning that she took there.

Although I think she's going to have to tolerate it because unless she's going to go whip Conan, although he's had health problems. I bet you she could take Conan. She's younger. I mean, you know, but unless it's going to come to the fight, apparently she's going to have to tolerate it because he said it, and she ain't kicked his ass yet. But she don't like it.

She's not going to hear about it, but she's going to have to tolerate it. Well, we'll see what happens. I'm sure we'll hear about it right away. As soon as it happens. As soon as something happens that nobody ought to talk about, we're going to hear about it. Jim, let's go to the files. Uh-oh.

Let me grab all this. Of course, set the files down on the desk. Yeah, there's a few things here. Of course, from the files is where I go through the archives of the Wrestling News, Wrestling Review, pro- Wrestling Enterprises,

and we talk about some of the interesting historical tidbits that we're able to find looking through the correspondence files of pro- Wrestling Enterprises. Yes. Does that sound correct? Yes.

For one side, you're doing it, and I'm saying yes, you have encapsulated that correctly. Well, I think we have to start where we left off. I have Norm Kiteser's letter to Dave Meltzer. Well, you should mention that we have done from the files part one and part two on Dave Meltzer because it is such a thick file, because when last we left our space travelers, Dave had written Norm Kiteser about a four-page type written. letter telling him what was wrong with his fucking magazine. And that was dated September 5th, 1984.

Here's Norman Kitzer's response, September 14th, 1984. David Meltzer. Per your letter, first of all, here is the entry I plan to use in the wrestling news number 114, which I am now working on. David Meltzer, I will not give his address in San Jose, sent us to September 10th issue of his wrestling observer fan club bulletin. It consisted of 26 legal size pages

with complete reports on virtually every major area, also some photos and clippings. Included were a lot of opinions from Dave and from his members. Dave charges $2 for a single issue or $13 for the next six issue.

God damn it. $2 a piece or 13 for six. How the fuck? He promises a new bulletin every three weeks. Dave Plus also... That's written weird. Dave Plus also to put out a yearbook in mid-January that will cost $5 per copy.

Plans. Dave plans also. Oh, that's what it is. He also asked that we again mention he is interested in trading videotapes, either VHS or beta, and is especially interested in obtaining Mid-South tapes. So after that whole letter, he starts with him.

By the way, here's your plug. Yeah, in the next issue. Norm Kitzer was the most unconfrontational, not assertive, or aggressive person. Probably good for Dave in that instance, because I was the first of all, motherfucker, but go ahead. It is always best to write me a note. Just attach it to the bulletin

when you change your frequency or price. I sometimes miss things like that, although I do attempt to read through every bulletin. Now, as to your other charge in your letter, that I make up facts to support my opinions. Basically, the things you take issue with me are on my opinions, clearly labeled by me as my opinions. On attendance, I have stated that WWF is outdrawing the AWA in San Francisco.

That is not the case here in the Twin Cities. The first two WWF cards reported by Vince Jr. as sellouts drew less than half a house each at the Met Center. And once again, this is September 84. So they had just started going into Minnesota. They had Hogan, they had Mean Gene, David Schultz, but Vern wasn't dead right away. No. He had the Roat Warriors. 84 was a strong year for them, still.

Their last card with Hogan and Oakerland versus Fuji and Steel, which they reported at 17th, thousand on TV. Jeez. And you reported at 15,800, drew about half of that. After three rounds, the AWA drew clearly larger crowds the first two times,

and about the same the last time. On average ticket prices, from the information I have, which I admit is not a complete compilation of all tickets sold, as I don't think anyone has all the figures from every card promoted, I believe that the average WWF ticket price

is higher than that of other promotions. On Japan and Hogan, first of all, I don't hate Hogan. While I do have some lack of respect for wrestlers who cut interviews for one promotion saying that they will appear on a card and then jump to McMahon, I think that the primary reason they have done this

is that McMahon feels getting someone to come over to him in that way is the way he can most damage the opposition. Nothing wrong there. Yeah. If Hogan, Ventura, junkyard dog, and others do that, you can't blame them for making a decision

that they think will make more money for themselves, but I think the long run is that McMahon is doing more damage to the sport of wrestling as a whole than he is damaging his individual competitors. and that a lot of people he has made promises to are going to end up not getting what they were promised. Let me stop there for a moment. What do you think of his insights into the state of wrestling in 84?

Well, the thing is, Norm Kiteser had dealt with promoters and been around a lot of these guys, especially in Minnesota, but all over the country, for a period of 15 years or more at that point, and he dealt with Vince. He'd printed and produced the programs for Vince Senior for years from the mid to late 70s to the early 80s when Vince Jr. banned everybody and took their stuff in-house.

So he already had an inkling of how these people operated and that was his opinion of what Vince was doing. And he turned out to be right. And again, the idea that he doesn't hate Hogan, but he has a lack of respect for people that walk out on the promoters they were doing promos for. You were there when Junkyard Dog did exactly that. Yeah, and Norm Kizer was up there in Minnesota when Hogan did it for all those towns and then didn't come back from Japan, went to work for Vince.

And it does hurt. And it hurts the wrestling business and the way that Norman is talking about from a business perspective, especially back then. Fans, they didn't give what promotion. They were going to see wrestling. And if you go to see a wrestling show and you buy a ticket and one of the main people or more than one of the main people on the card that you went to see doesn't show up,

then the next time instead of thinking, oh, I got to go back and see some more of that. The last time they got to show, that's the way he's talking about damaging the business. Because that sentiment will speak, the more often that it happens. And it wasn't the wrestling business and the fans didn't look at it then like they do now

where the fans now, they don't even know who's going to be on the fucking card. They are going to go see Dynamite or Raw or whatever. In that era, they read the entire card that you were going to see at the house show on television and God damn it down to the first match and those things better happen that way. And people got mad when they didn't.

Well, back to Norm Kiter's response to Dave Meltzer. On Japan, there has been a lot of 1984 style statements made there by New Japan, McMahon, Shinma, and everybody connected with WWF during the past two years, telling the people basically one week that black is black, and then the next at black is white. Let's go back and look at things. Two years ago, when Titan and New Japan left the NWA, they announced the first Grand Prix tournament

to name an undisputed World Heavyweight Champion. They made these announcements in both the U.S. and Japan. The tournament was to culminate with the finals in Japan with the winner of the competition to meet Backland at MSG for the Undisputed World Heavyweight Championship. McMahon Sr. appeared at the opening of the finals in Japan and repeated that basic statement. Then Hogan won, but no match was scheduled. Hogan came to the U.S. and wrestled on AWA and NWA cards,

had had World Heavyweight Championship title matches in each organization in which he failed to win those claims. Then he went to MSG earlier this year and won the WWF title. making him undisputed champion, according to Junior's statements. Both Titan and New Japan recognize him as the World Heavyweight Champion. Then we had the fiasco when Junior tried with Shinma to start a separate WWF promotion in Japan. That's the UWF, if you remember. I heard so many conflicting statements on that

and on the UWF that I don't know what the true story is In fact, the true story probably changed from day to day as everyone seemed to be double-crossing everyone else involved constantly. Anyway, the end came with McMahon Jr. saying New Japan was back as a WWF member. The New Japan promotion announced a second Grand Prix competition with the winner to meet Hogan for the World Heavyweight Championship. Nothing was said at that point about there being two separate,

titles, a WWF World's Heavyweight title, and a Grand Prix World Heavyweight title. Now they and you are saying there are two separate titles, and that Hogan only lost the Grand Prix World Heavyweight Championship to Anoki, the descriptions of that bout

are also somewhat confused, with interference and countouts, but in the end Anoki was declared the winner and the champion in Japan. From what I have heard, I could see several reasons why a title would not change hands in that bout and why it would. I thought I covered them,

but I didn't ignore the bout in my magazine. So let me stop there for a moment, Jim and take a pause. What are your thoughts on him defending himself here? Well, and he's trying to be nice as he could because remember when we read and we encourage anybody who didn't hear the first segment, go to the YouTube channel or the clip is up, but he's trying to be

as reasonable as possible as he could to Dave who, as you will recall, we said, what is this fucking... Why is he telling this shit to Norm Kiteser who don't give a shit? He's just trying to sell some magazines. He doesn't care about these minute fucking

complaints that Dave has brought up and now he has to go through and explain his rationale to a guy that he's given plugs to for a fucking newsletter. I think he's bending over backwards to be understanding to the guy that said his magazine sucked,

which by at the time, Dave had never published anything that didn't come out on copy paper. And he's talking to a guy that at least had run a magazine. You also fault me on the junior title, saying that Tiger Mask was undisputed World Junior Heavyweight Champion when he retired. And I agree.

So that New Japan had right to create a new WWF Junior Heavyweight Champion with a tournament, which they did with Dynamite Kid winning, which I'll agree to. But how could they run a separate elimination for an NWA World Junior Heavyweight Championship with the COBRA winning when they were no longer members of the NWA and was sanctioned by the NWA? The NWA itself gave the title back to Les Thornton. Now, I believe the NWA says the title is vacant and there'll be a tournament.

I agree that all acted badly here and that wrestling in general, especially here in the U.S., does not do a good job of promotion, the junior division, I guess, of promoting, the junior division as a separate entity. A lot more wrestlers did more back and forth

between promotions before junior attempted to take over everything. Even McMahon Sr., showcased wrestlers some other areas off and on, even had any of, NWA and AWA title matches on his cards. I guess that's defending. Remember, Dave had a problem what Norm Kites are saying wrestlers could go from one territory to another?

Yeah. And also, as Norm points out, Vince Sr., not only had the pipeline to Florida with Eddie Graham, where he had Florida guys guest starring at the Garden and making the shots every now and then in Dust, on a kind of a regular basis. But also he brought the Funks in. Dory Funk Sr.

And shortly before he died, wrestled in Madison Square Garden. Vince Sr. would bring the top talent in from other territories when he was a member of the NW.A. Other promoters that he would work with and give their talent a showcase in a garden, but also it made the garden look different than every other town in his territory. because that was the place where stars came from all over the world. And as the topic of Japan is concerned, it was a big deal in Japan. MSG. They had MSG tournaments for years.

And apparently just the tournament winner didn't go on to get the title of shot that he earned. Well, the problem is if you're trying to logically follow what they're saying and they just change things. You know, what are you supposed to do if you're reporting on it? Yeah. My point on Hogan is that he did lose to others the first time in the... the WWF area, the ones I mentioned, and that logical matches would be against those challengers who faced him before. Both Flair and Martel have faced a larger variety of challengers, both in numbers and styles, than has Hogan. This is not the fault of Hogan, and I don't say

it because I dislike him, I say it as a comment on Jr., who has declared war on me, not the other way around. Return a page. And of course, Norm Kiteser was the producer of World Wrestling Federation, WWF, and WWWF programs from the early 70s until 1983.

Vince wanted him to only cover his company. Norm Kiteser said, No way. And that began Vince's journey to building his own magazine. Yeah, and that's when he banished the people from the after magazines, London publishing, the former Stanley Weston

publications, and all photographers for many magazines except the ones in-house with Vince were banned for a while there. So then all the shots in PWI and the wrestler and all that was like with a telephoto lens from the stands. I go to wrestling matches to be entertained, and Junior's cards just are not as good as the other

cards. Part of this being because even though he doesn't lack talent, he doesn't use the talent he has well or in enough variety of ways. Basically, the next Twin City card is a main event for the WWF of Hogan and Mad Dog Vashan versus Jesse Ventura and George Steele. Ventura has had so many different confrontations

with the other two here over the years, and Steele is a part-timer who doesn't do it. that much other than stick out his green tongue at this point in his career, I think very strongly that the new talent in the AWA these days, the fabulous

ones, the Road Warriors, Brody, Atlas, etc., is better than the talent the AWA lost to the W.W.F. Certainly more entertaining as it is presented here in Minnesota.

Can you imagine Hulk Hogan and Mad Dog Vashon is a tag team Mad Dog's 5'5 foot 7, Hulk's 6'7, Hulk was not even 35 years old then. Mad Dog was close to 60. Mad Dog could have torn Hulk Hogan to shreds within seconds with his bare hands and eating him. What a fucking tag team.

The idea that they lost Hogan, they lost Me and Gene, David Schultz. By this point in time, they'd even lost Al-Darusha for a period of time. Lots of people, and it wouldn't end here. Norm Kiteser, a lifelong AWA fan, although he lived in New York for a time, saying that the road warriors, the fabulous ones, Brody, etc., coming in, the talent's better.

Again, 84, the AWA did not die in 1984, but what do you think of this? Because you saw the fabulous ones before they got there. Well, and, I mean, he's right in that Mad Dog was an icon and was a huge star, but at that point, age had caught up with him. and George Steele, Minnesota was not the venue for George Steele.

He had been primarily a WW and WWF guy and a Detroit guy because he lived in Detroit. He taught school for all those years. He didn't start wrestling all year round and give up the school teaching until the early 80s when he could make enough money in the Northeast to make the difference. But it wasn't a Minnesota thing. And when you've got the fabulous ones and the road wars and those guys who were so much younger and so much fresher, even though Mad Dog was an icon, Jesse was an icon in the AWA at that point,

Hogan had drawn big money. It was just, it was an odd slapped together thing based on personalities that were over rather than an issue per se. So, you know, and that's, you know, we talked about that. That's why the Crusher didn't work in Georgia in 1979, because he didn't have 20 years of history like he did in the AWA, and they were just seeing this guy in his 50s with a beetle haircut. Let's go back to Norman Kitzer. That is my opinion.

I go to cards for entertainment. The same reason I attend events of other professional sports, football, baseball, etc. In my opinion, colored by many influences, I admit, the AWA is the better promotion here.

Time will tell if enough ticket buying fans agree with me, and who knows what changes will be made by both organizations in the future. You certainly have a right to your opinions, and I plug all publications who ask for free ad space in my magazine,

whether I agree with all the opinions held by the person putting out the bulletin or not. Is that Norm's nice way of saying I think I'm going to opinion. Yeah, I think you're full of shit, but I'm going to plug you anyway because I'm a nice guy. I don't tell you to give up your opinions or claim that I am always right or you were always wrong when we disagree. And I do always try to label my opinions as that. My opinion. I don't even rate wrestlers, as I have stated for some 20 years, that ratings are simply opinions that are not,

valid. Let me stop there for a second. Considering all we talk about with Dave's ratings, I don't rate wrestlers, as I've always said, ratings are opinions that are not valid. Yes, and they never had, he never had ratings in the wrestling news or ring wrestling or whatever, only under, ring wrestling did under a different editorship. And that although I think I know as much about the sport as any who do publish so-called official ratings, my opinions would be no more valid than theirs. In short, I don't try to foist off my opinions as being the ultimate truth, but at the same time, I don't try to hide my opinions and claim to be an unbiased reporter,

a unique and probably extinct species in that I have never encountered same in any publication on any subject if such a thing existed. I do tend to go on and on when I write, so I'll close. And it's signed by Norman, but we have a PS. P.S. One last self-serving point. Whether the other promotions always spent a great deal of time on their television programs talking about what is happening elsewhere or not, in the case of the AWA, Mid-South, and some NWA promotions,

they do allow the wrestling news, which covers wrestling everywhere, to be sold at their matches, and don't attempt to make people believe that the other promotions don't exist. That, when compared to a promoter who says that he is going to run me out of business because I refuse to cover only his promotion

in my national magazine, that may have a tendency to make my feelings towards that individual less generous. Then I am towards others. My quarrel specifically is with Vince McMahon Jr. Because of actions which he has taken against me, which I have elaborated on in my magazine, not against everyone who works for him.

And there's Norm defending his coverage of Vince McMahon of the WWF from Dave, who bizarrely started defending Vince McMahon of the WWF. Any thoughts? And again, at the age of 24, doing a newsletter on copy paper telling the guy who's been doing a magazine for 20 years what's wrong with his magazine. Now admittedly it wasn't the goddamn heyday of time Norm's publication but it was at least it had some color on the cover.

I just the gall of Dave even then to be writing letters and telling these people well you ought to do this and not any other thing we'll shut to fuck up well we'll close from the files with this last letter this was post dated July 11th 1986 from Dave Meltzer in California to Norm Kiteser so after the previous one

Norm I would be interested in writing a column for your mag in exchange for an advertisement in the magazine or being allowed with a regular column to plug the observer and book that's coming out soon I'd really like to do a regular column concerning Japanese wrestling.

Oh, good Lord. But if you have another idea of a column I could do for you, let me know. Thanks. I will have a special 150 to 160 page issue out on August 1st for $15. It will have profiles of about 330 wrestlers with age, career background, and real names. And it'll also have 14 pages telling you what you ought to do with your magazine. So even after all that, he still wanted to write a Japanese. column in 1986.

Well, again, Norm Kaiser in various magazines that he published would have pictures from Japan or Japanese news. It wouldn't be the majority of the magazine, and most of the pictures he would try to have some American talent in the picture, because he was still selling to an American audience. Can you imagine if Dave was writing a column on

strictly Japanese wrestling and we've seen the way that he does it with just the names and who beat who and sell that on the fucking newsstand in Chicago or Atumwa, Iowa and people are going to what the fuck?

It's not the same market. Norm was going for wrestling fans in the United States of America where he sold his magazine. It wasn't any slight against the Japanese folks that he didn't cover to cover embrace it. And you got more coverage of Japanese wrestling there than any other magazine in America.

Well, yeah, because all the Bill Aptor magazines, the London publishing that were on the newsstands, except if a big American star went to Japan, they might have pictures of that or if a big Japanese star came to the garden or wherever. But otherwise, there was no country. coverage of what was going on in Japan. Well, Jim, that was from the files. Part 3 of Dave Meltzer. There'll be a part four someday,

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It's our last burst of energy, our last bunch of questions and topics, and then we get the hell out of here till the big experience in a few days. Isn't that right? The big experience. Don't set up anticipation that I can't follow through with. Didn't you say this week should be one of the best shows in history that everyone should listen?

They should call their family, call everyone they know. This is going to be Prime Cornette. Yes, Prime, possibly even USDA choice. All right, well, like I said, let's get a few things and we'll get out of here, guest to program next week on the show. Jim, I have an article from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter website by Dave Meltzer, the headline,

Hulk Hogan not appearing at WWE Saturday night's main event this week. Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on. Holy mackerel. Is that the truffle pig? That's the truffle pig. Apparently, they have heard de people speak. And when Hogan speaks, the people boo.

And when punk throws in an offhand line about burying his dusty ass, the people cheer. So, God damn it, the only thing is I wanted to see how bad he was going to get booed and how they were going to try to make excuses for it. Oh, what I wanted to see was him and Jesse Ventura in the same room. That's what I wanted to see, because they announced Jesse will be there again, as he should.

but here we go, here's the article from Dave. Sources within WWE have confirmed that Hulk Hogan will not be appearing as scheduled for Saturday night's main event tomorrow night as we are recording in San Antonio. This was first reported by Chris Featherstone. Hulk Hogan had... That can't be a real name.

And I clicked this link, we'll go to it in a second. Hulk Hogan had been the key person in all the commercials for the show. And if I click this link, this is Chris Featherstone's Twitter. It says Dr. Chris Featherstone, PhD, a Christian husband, dad, psychotherapist, insider reporter, journalist, podcaster. Wait a minute, wait a minute. College professor. He's a psychotherapist and he's commenting on wrestling.

I need to go to him to straighten some of my problems out. Well, Dave's using him as the source. So, uh, and he said, WW confirmed it. here's the tweet from Dr. Chris Featherstone, PhD, I have been informed that Hulk Hogan will not be appearing on Saturday night's main event due to family commitments. So maybe it has nothing to do with the booing or CM Punk causing more booing or Jesse Ventura who started the booing many years ago.

Maybe it has nothing to do with any of that. Maybe it's just the family commitments for the event that he's been out. advertised for her. It suddenly came up. It's, it's my new wife's birthday. I forgot. We haven't been married very long. Do you think there's any family commitments?

No, they've tried to figure out as least insulting to Hogan, the company, way to not have him on their show and explain it. So it doesn't, they don't come out and say, well, we're not going to have the guy on the show because the people are going to boo him out of fucking building. Going forward, what, can you do anything with Hulk Hogan right now? I mean, they just had a big sponsorship they announced for the beer. WWE actually owns a piece of it as part of the deal. It's one of those kind of deals.

How about you advertise us and we'll give you our company? How does that sound? How are they going to advertise the beer when they can't advertise the guy that has the beer. The point, they knew what was going to happen, and they don't want that to happen again on national television,

and it looks bad for everybody, and they just can't have him to answer your question. Right now, they can't do anything, apparently. I mean, he's 70-whatever years old. It's not like, you know, you can sit back and wait 10 years till the heats off. Well, let me just say here, I mean,

continue, Dave Meltzer says Featherstone's report of a family-related reason for Hogan's missing the show is also accurate. What? This had nothing to do with his being booed in Los Angeles. Oh, come on. Or at every arena. Or at every arena. I could even say that?

It has nothing to do with him being booted in Los Angeles or at every arena when the Saturday night's main event commercial played, or Jesse Ventura, or any other reason in that direction. Why would you say that's nothing to do to that list every single thing that people figure that. There's nothing to do with all these things. It's just, again, that birthday party, he didn't realize it was the same day. I mean, they're not saying family illness,

something unexpected. They're saying a family commitment. Well, how many commitments did he make for the same fucking day? He didn't know that Brooke booked them a table at the cheesecake factory that night, so they can't break the fucking reservation. That's what it is. Well, we'll see what happens going forward with Hulk Hogan,

but do you think they said anything to CM Punk? Do you think they're mad at CM Punk for saying that and piling on, or do you think they recognize that CM Punk saying that became its own little viral moment? He might have been the canary and the coal mine. They might have said, well, you know what? We're glad he said that because it wasn't just an anomaly. Well, again, we'll stay on top of the reporting of Dr. Chris Featherstone in the weeks a month's ahead. Jim, a few questions that we get out of here. This was sent to corny drive-thru

at gmail.com by Ryan Boyce. When I was a kid... Is he part of the team of Boyce and Hart? When I was a kid, Paul Behrer scared the shit out of me. So creepy and scary. Can Jim talk about how Percy Pringle was in real life, and if his promos as Paul creeped him out when he saw them, was real life Percy anything like Paul Bearer? Thanks, love the show.

Oh my God. No, Percy Pringle was the most unscary, happy, friendly person. Most of the time, I mean, you could piss him off like anybody, but no, and that's the thing is about the only similarity between Percy and Paul Bear besides the tone of the hell yes

because Percy could get up there too was that they were you know Percy was a real life funeral director and that's how the Paul Bear gimmick kind of came to be but no Percy was he was a southern Bobby Heenan he was a fan from a young age that hung around the business till he got in it he was from the Pensacola in the Mobile area so he knew

the Gibson brothers and Michael Hayes and some of the guys that a guy that I don't even know if you ever remember Mike Hendricks I remember that Percy was over the moon that I not only remembered Mike Hendricks but had actually seen him wrestle in 1977

because he was a guy that lasted in the business a year or two but he was friends with Percy but that was you know he was a fun guy and a fan and you know, I can't imagine any real similarities between the real Percy and somebody that would scare children. He loved children, but only when they were properly cooked.

What did you think of him as Percy Pringle as a manager? Well, that's the first time we met was when Percy had, it was work in Florida, and he was managing Rick Rude and came up and did late 85, did some Atlanta TV with Rude at that point. I think, you know, Rude was on his way, but they were trying to be nice to the Florida office.

And we sat down and immediately hit it off because we knew we were both wrestling fans and both from the southern territories and knew a lot of the same people. And the first time I talked to him, it was like we'd known each other for years. And then when we ran back into each other in the WWF, we picked right up there.

That was some of my most. enjoyable backstage time was just sitting around with him and bullshit and I've said this before but there's that picture of me and Percy at the Bluegrass

Brawl 95 in Pikeville it was the undertaker teaming up with Bullet Bob and Tracy Smothers and Percy and I were both in the corner because the opposition was the gangsters and I'd switched baby face and it was so hot

in that building Percy had the entire Paul Bearer face makeup on and there's a picture of me and him at ringside and I've sweated through my suit jacket and everything I'm just drenched and his makeup is literally running off of his face he's melting like Vincent Price and House of Wax and it was just but he loved that show because it was like he hadn't gotten to do that in ages

of fucking hillbilly college gym in eastern Kentucky in the mountains jam-packed with people in it, screaming and yelling, it was like being in a wrestling business again. So he loved that shit. I always loved the video from Florida when he went there, when they revealed who he was,

and they go to an office, and he turns around in the chair and says, you know, hello, I'm personal Pringle. Says it much more dramatically and charismatic than that. But behind him are the PYTs, and they're playing music on their boombox and dancing. So the old time he's doing his promo, introducing himself as this crazy heel manager, the PYTs are in there dancing behind him.

And he was Percival Pringle the third because there had been, I think two, at least one previous Percy Pringles. One of them worked in the Mississippi territory for the Colkins in like 77, 78, around the same, maybe even a couple of years earlier. And had worked for Phil Golden's All-Stan, Star Wrestling.

And when I first saw the name Percy Pringle as a manager, I'd seen those ads. I'm like, this guy after all. And it was, he had assumed the name, much like Dutch Mantel got, had an original Dutch Mantel

and the various other names that have been perpetrated over time. You can definitely see why a kid would be scared of them. Well, yeah, even as a baby face. I guess. You know,

because most kids don't want to think. about going to their own funeral? I think just you don't see people with that kind of face walking around in real life, let alone the voice. Just that face. But Jim, another question here. This was sent to cornyidivor at gmail.com from Jim

in Philadelphia. I have been working my way through smoky mountain shows and am fascinated by the wooden announcers table with the nature scene painted on the front of it. can you shed any light on where it came from if it still exists somewhere and if it was as heavy as it looks yes well

we wanted a set that we could take with us to the TV tapings in the different buildings and it's the same you know it would be an announcer's desk and so that was made believe it or not by my ex-father-in-law

and it came apart. The front panel came off the desk, the top came off, the sides came off, and you could put it, so we could put it on the ring truck and fold it up. And the painting, on the front of it,

of the Great Smoky Mountains was done by an artist at one of the places down in Gatlinburg. I said, make me, whatever size it was, a painting representative of the Smoky Mountains. And it was the famous scene from Klingman's Dome

where you can look at, out and see parts of five or six different states, and that became emblematic of Smoky Mountain Wrestling with the... We don't have the desk, I think, got broke before we even closed up Smoky Mountain. Somebody took one too many bumps into it. But I still have the round, wooden, carved,

smoky mountain wrestling logo. That's the coolest thing. That on the black curtain behind the desk, that whole look with... That whole look with Bob Cottle and Dutch Mantel, that's my favorite Smoky Mountain wrestling. And that round logo was carved out of wood, and it weighs about 70 pounds,

and it's hanging now in my office and has been for a while, because I'm not strong enough to go up and get it, right up to the top of the vaulted ceiling, about 14 feet up. I don't stand under it immobile very often. But so the table doesn't exist. That's where it came from, but the wooden carved logo does.

Why'd you stop using the wooden carve logo? Because, well, it's... I don't think you used it at all for the Chip Kessler error, right? That's the thing toward the end there, after the table got fucking blitzed. Also, this thing, it weighed 70 pounds. We had to either hang it off of a stand and shoot the... 70 pounds, really? It's a big...

It's fucking three feet across, and it's carved out of wood. So I said 50 at least. I remember picking it up. But the point is we'd have to find a stand and stick it through the fucking curtain and a blah, blah, blah. And after a while, we were just all tired. Do you think that's a fair way to look at the last year of Smoky Man Wrestling, the Chip Kessler era? Yes, the Chip Kessler area era. That may have been the best way to describe it, unfortunately.

Let's get another question here. Jim, this one was sent via the Cult of Cornett Facebook group by Ronnie Lee Justice. Ronnie Lee Justice is an old friend of mine. He's a customer at Cornett's collectibles. I was watching the TV show Moonshiners on the Discovery Channel last week. Some of the main characters sold moonshine at an indie wrestling show. My question for Jim is, did any guy sell moonshine at Smoky Mountain Wrestling shows? the Smoky Man Wrestling territory was known for moonshiner's.

Well, none of the boys were selling the moonshine. Some of them were buying it, and there was no selling of moonshine at the shows, but there was selling of moonshine in many of the locations that the shows were taking place. And yes, East Tennessee is noted for moonshine, and even when I was, went down for some of those K-town showdown or K-town Smackdown until they sent him a letter

and then K-Town Showdown shows for Ron Fuller, there was a gentleman that produced quality moonshine that was available if you... His name was Ron Fuller. Well, no, no, he was just a friend of Ron's. And if you needed any quality moonshine, he was available there for you at that time. Any examples throughout your career of someone drinking moonshine in the locker? room? Well, yes, because you ain't going to go buy it at a fucking store, so somebody to bring it to you, you might have a sip or whatever. It's not like it's unheard of, but it wasn't a

regular practice, and nobody was over imbibbing before my shows. I don't know about anybody else's. Except every once in a while when Tommy Rich and Jimmy Del Rey would break down right in front of Benegans. You know, to circle back to something we briefly talked about at the start of the show and moved on from Tony Kahn, when AEW Dynamite was in Knoxville, made a comment before the crowd, and I'd like to think it wasn't just something for a cheap pop, probably something he meant, that Smoky Mountain Wrestling was his favorite wrestling as a kid in the suburbs of Chicago.

Well, yeah, the way he phrased it was he came out, he's talking to the people in a Knoxville Civic Coliseum, he said, does anybody here remember Smoky Man Wrestling, and it got a pop. And I'm sure Knoxville wrestling fans as we've talked about in Tennessee have long memories and in the South especially have long memories and it was a

generational thing where kids would go with parents and grandparents and etc. So but then he said you know that it was his favorite wrestling to watch when he was a kid you know growing up and that's why I said early I said

why doesn't his wrestling show look anything like mine did then. Well, that's kind of where I was going with this to seriously discuss it. If Smokey Mound's one of his favorites, and let's just say it's something he's watched more than once, and let's just use for this hypothesis, he never watched what you consider your best work,

which is OVW, 10 years later, give or take. Give or take. Does it bother you at all? I mean, beyond, you know, screaming about it like we do every week, does it bother you at all the, idea that he would have watched, you know, the entirety of the Smoky Mountain Wrestling run. And not learned anything?

And just the, you know, his product is not, his product is what it is and it doesn't ever really, if these are his influences, we don't see it. Well, and that's another thing. I don't take it personally because I would be in good company because I've heard in the past, he was a big Mid-South wrestling fan. Well, it doesn't look anything like Mid-South Wrestling. And he was, you know, he was a big fan of this. this and that the other, regardless of what you think of Tony

Con or AEW positive, negative, indifferent, whatever, you can't say that AEW looks like any wrestling that he claimed were his influences and instead you can say that it looks like indie shows from the last 10 years. Can anybody argue with what I just said? It doesn't look like Mid-South, doesn't look like Smoky Mountain, doesn't look like classic Crockett or world-class or whatever. It looks like indie shows from the last 10 years. Yeah, you know, I think the opening on Dynamite this week, the Omega Osprey brawl with

the Cowes family, was kind of Tony slash AEW's attempt to doing the Mid-South slash Memphis slash Smokey Mountain type brawl. But like you said earlier, in those things, it's not about, laying it in, but everything looked hard. There weren't holes that you could see as a viewer who is not an expert. Yeah. Where punches are clearly missing or just they're not coming near the person with any impact, just all this kind of stuff.

If it was a mid-south angle, you would kind of get caught up in that these guys are fucking going after each other. There's some animus here. There's some hatred here. There's some violence going on. And also, you would remember at the, end of it, the basic point or two that you were supposed to remember rather than when it's over go, wait a minute, who started this fucking thing?

Where did this start? And then everybody came running out. And, you know, that's, I appreciate it. Like the one I keep going back to is the fantastics and the heavenly bodies, brawl throughout the building into the parking lot and the broken windshield. Yeah, but you know how long it took it took like under four minutes? Yeah. when I see everything, everything goes way too long, everything.

Well, and here's another fun fact. I think we've talked about this before, but it's been years. It was supposed to be shot in Morristown, Tennessee at a house show where the fantastics and Heavenly Bodies Match would get out of hand and they would fight through the back hallway and knock over some chairs and some boxes and hit each other with some things and have a mini little concession stand brawl. And then we would run out the back door and jump in my car,

and peel out of the parking lot as Bobby Fulton took a big lead pipe and caved in the back windshield, right? Which is what happens, that's what you saw on television. What you didn't see was that Stan Lane called me that morning

and said, corny, I'm in Charlotte, I've got the stomach flu, I'm shitting myself, I'm throwing up. He didn't make the show that night. We had a substitution. I think I may have worked with Tom against the Fantastics or we did something

and then Stan when he was feeling better the next day drove up on Sunday afternoon we had Phil Rainey come up through the East High School on Sunday afternoon and stand in front of the doors and goes folks there's a horrible fight going on back here and open the door

and there we had all got dressed in our wrestling shit and we did there was nobody in the goddamn school it was Sunday afternoon the whole building was empty and the principal came down and opened the door and let us in. We shot that four-minute fight and fucking put it on TV,

and we never said where the town was. We set a recent match between the heavenly bodies and the fantastics got out of hand. Here's what happened. And since we never shot in the hallway in Morristown's East High School, unless you went to school

there, you didn't know what it looked like. So nobody knew that that goddamn fight actually happened in the middle of a Sunday afternoon with no match in front of it. It was daylight when we ran out the back and jumped in the car, but you know, we did do afternoon shows every now and then. Yeah, I always thought that looked cool because you've got to figure a lot of people, the show aired early in the day or midday. So it was daylight outside, so it didn't look out of place.

People weren't thinking it that deeply. Oh, a recent Smoky Mountain show got out of hand. Look, they're fighting in the hallway. That's as deep as they went into it. As a kid, I always thought that when I would watch wrestling. What time is it there? Is it afternoon or is it evening? When are they doing this exactly?

Is there anything from Smoky Mountain a lesson you think Tony could use or learn, whether it's an angle or anything you learned from the business while there? Is there something specific that a dedicated fan of Smoky Mountain of Wrestling should learn from Smoky Mountain they could apply to the current situation in AEW? I mean, I don't know. That's why the thing And we've never said Tony Kahn was an asshole. He's a nice guy.

But I go back to the first time I talked to him. I likened it to the writers that the WWF had hired and they'd send down to OVW. I either needed five minutes to say hello or five years to teach him something. Anything in between was just going to drive all of us crazy. and I don't know if there's probably more than one thing that Tony could learn from Smoggy Mount Wrestling but about booking wrestling or presenting wrestling it's a different world now but you could still

I don't know make the stories make sense and kind of not accentuate the weaknesses of all your talent or put them in stupid unwinnable positions that would be one but then I also go back and think in 1993 I was trying to get a $1,500 sponsorship and some free chicken from Mrs. Winners

for the Coliseum shows and here's a guy said it was his favorite wrestling he's got $10 billion. I had Ritchie Rich for a fan and didn't even know it. Why couldn't he have asked for his father's inheritance when he was 12 years old? you know on that topic if there are any secret millionaires or billionaires out there who love

this show and want to contribute and give us some money yes we won't say no but only billionaires because a mere millionaire you can't get anything for a million dollars these days they're pikers multi multi multi millionaires you mean somebody that just hasn't been able to be the success that it takes to crack a billion so far all right there's still time there's still time if you got over million we'll talk to you. All right. Well, that was the Tony Con AEW, smoky amount of wrestling question

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