Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 378

Episode Date: February 4, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim talks with Kamille about Queen Of The Ring & more! Plus Jim reviews AEW Dynamite, as well as the Jon Moxley & his Death Riders up-close segment, and plays Guess The Program! Also, Jim answers YOUR questions about burials, Bockwinkel or Brisco, Joe Hendry, Al Perez, Mean Gene jumping to WWF, and much more! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

I don't have it in me today. Hello again, friends! And you are our friends. And welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive-Thru, a fun, sloppy, cranky, sleepy, but we're going to have a good time edition, punching our hands, all sorts of action. I'm your host of Great Brian last.

We've already gone over the rails. Off the rails. Here he is. He doesn't help. The leader of the cult of Cornette, the star of the show, Mr. Jim Cornett. You don't have it in you. You don't have... It sounds like a cat currently has it in him,

and it's being fucking shuffled in and out at a high rate of speed. I am ready, Brian, last, I'm ready to eat lightning and clap thunder, walk through the graveyard and make the dead men Wanda. Because, you know, you're going to have to keep up with me today, you're going to have to eat a whole lot more Uncle Ben's converted rice and Van Camp's pork and beans. Am I now? Is this...

Yes, you are. Is this a new sponsorship situation? You haven't told me that? No, that's what Troy Graham would tell you. He'd say, you're going to be able to keep up with me. You're going to have to eat a whole lot more Uncle Bill and converted rice and van can't pork and bean, baby. Well...

Well, so how have you been eating beans? We're over and off the rails, as you could tell you. Yeah, over it. There's rails everywhere. It's like AEW. No. We're going to have a good time here today, and we have a lot of A.E.W. stuff to talk about. We're going to play guest

the program. I think we're going to get a bunch of questions in. But I guess, first of all... Do we have an interview today? Oh, yeah. We have a big star interview. We're going to get to the bottom of all the crap going on in A.E.W. Oh, come on now. We talk with... I'll let you break the news. Well, I'm not going to false advertise for clickbait like

you are. We're going to speak to the lovely Camille today who is a has a starring role in the new movie Queen of the Ring that's going to be premiering. By the way, the world premiere of this movie that was shot in Louisville, Kentucky, is in Louisville, Kentucky.

We have confirmed this since we've done the interview today. On Tuesday, February 25th, at the AMC Stony Brook Cinema's beautiful complex over here, more details in the weeks to come. But Camille, former NWA women's champion, Camille, former person who's been on some television programs that she may or may not be legally allowed to discuss, but that we may try to get to the bottom of some things anyway. There's going to be a few pointed questions asked to her, but now the folks will have

stay tuned to let interview comes up to get the entire scoop of the matter. That's right. There's going to be a lot of pointing. We're going to get to the bottom of a lot of things today with Camille. I can't wait. and speaking of Can't Wait We can't wait to talk about Coronet's collectibles here at the top of the show

Well that's a good one You know, and it's almost a spring sale Because you know we are melting here Brian last I'll have you know In Louisville over the past few days The temperatures have been up in the 50s And we had an inch and a half of rain last night And a sun's shining now

It's almost 60 degrees or whatever All of the icebergs have all almost melted. It's very weird to walk outside in just a t-shirt and the sunshine and you see a big mound of fucking ice sitting there. It's disorienting. But I'm going to rename the Valentine's sale at Cornett's Collectibles at Jim Cornett.com. The early spring, thank fucking God, spend your money while you can get out of the house and

go to the post office and enjoy these things. That's the sale that it's going to be. You think, is that going to fit on the, on the fucking marquee. That's a very interesting. I mean, it's a bit of a conflict for me. I'm leading a campaign. Bring Valentine's Day back.

So I don't know if it's going to... Oh, you just piffle-toffled Valentine's Day. You said piffle-toffle upon it. When I said we shouldn't record on Valentine's Day. Because you're a married person with... Because it's for lovers. Valentine's Day is for lovers. Oh, so us married people don't count.

You do. You should be out there being lovers. That's what Valentine Day is like. Well, that's what I was telling you. I'm trying to taking off the day. It's a kissing and hugging and yeah, come on. To spend with my beloved and I thought you would want to tell you. You're like, it's a work day.

It's a weekday. Well, because again, there's got to be at my desk. There's time for that, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect someone to just not do anything all day and celebrate. I mean, they could certainly be Valentine moments throughout the day, but I think this should be like a big. But then you got to get back to the fucking conference call with the attorneys about fucking, uh, bringing a hammer down on people. Well, more to say about that very, very soon. I cannot wait.

Oh, I didn't mean to take you off. I have been held back with a leash by these people from opening my men. I can't wait. There are federal statutes that we can't talk about things that have been going on. But nevertheless, I didn't mean to take you down that road. I was just saying, you need to do something nice for your beloved, for your betrothed or beloved or by, or by. bothered on Valentine's Day and all the month of February at Jim Cornett.com.

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Either get them for yourself or get them for someone you love. And if no one loves you, then you should get all of them. Because who else you're going to leave your money to? Fucking the Mormons. Anyway, and besides that, to that sweet patootie. To that sweet patootie.

If you don't have one, though, then you got no cutie patootie, you're just two-dey out of luck. So in that case, just leave a will. Send me your wills to. Send me your will. We're not just leave a will, but send me your wills? Well, send me your will and I'll keep an eye on them for you.

And just, and say it, and everybody right now, if you're making your will or in the near future, if you want to keep it in mind, you can bequeath things to Cornett's collectibles and we'll just, we'll come and pick them up if it's over a certain amount. Everyone thinks the advocate, Paul Heyman's a big deal. When do you meet the trustee, Jim Cornett?

That's right. Well, who is more trustee worthy than me? But anyway, and besides that, not only saving $20 on all the action figure sets of the tag teams, but if you order a tag team set, any of them at that seduced rate, then you will also get any of the remaining Jim Corvette action figures for half price, 2495, and those are autographed as well. and I will once again mention there's like 20 something commentator play sets left

so if you want one it's already started they may not be there because we started this on February the 1st at noon Eastern and you're not going to hear this till after that so you may be shit out of luck to begin with but check anyway because if they are still there they're not going to be there long

the commentator play sets did you just go off on some guy on Twitter who was asking where the February sale was? Yes, yes, I did. I just saw this. I was perusing through the Twitter. It's January 31st, ladies and gentlemen, as we're recording this, I don't know when you're going to hear it. It goes through a lot of different legal clearances, this program. But I'm going through Twitter and somebody says, well, Jim Cornett, I am trying to get the deal on the $20 off the Zabodah and a half off of the Zemite. And

it's not letting me do that. Please update the site. And he actually had said, I'm trying to access the February sale to do the thing, to do the thing, to blah, blah, blah. And I just fucking,

what are they called a quote posting or whatever shit posting, whatever the fuck. I retweeted his thing. I said, it's not fucking February yet. Because as I was writing that, it was January fucking 31st.

And he's trying to access the February sale and telling me to update my fucking site. The more I think about, we're going to ban that motherfucker. Even in February, we're not going to take his money. I'm calling the feather bottom. Oh, come on. Just because he's overzealous at the front of the line? Come on.

Well, he's a fucking pig. Well, he's a pig or a clown in the fucking wringling brothers. But nevertheless, and finally at Jim Cornett.com all the month of February, if you spend $50 or more on merchandise, you get. a free two-hour DVD of classic 70s and 80s wrestling from the wrestling gold series and that way while you're wearing the merchandise or framing the merchandise or reading the merchandise or watching the merchandise one way or another you can immerse yourself in all the things that we can do for you at jim cornet dot com during the month of february

they'll be useless the rest of the year but february is the month for you Oh, come on. Collectibles, Jim Cornett.com. It's just, it's, it has a more magnitude in February, but it's, it's magnitude in us all year long. Magnitude team. Have we talked lately about the magnitude of me?

I'm, I'm all over the place. The dark side of the ring is coming up now. They've revealed that they will be returning for season six in March. We're going to have obviously some more information on that in the weeks to come. I'm going to be on that. I'm in the movies. I'm on the podcast. I'm on the YouTube.

I'm getting tired of me. I need to stop listening to me. I guess you've stopped listening to me. Well, I mean, it's a trend. Might as well be trendy and jump on. It's catching on fucking quick, apparently. God damn, ghosted me at the end of my fucking sentence. All right, it's your program.

What are we talking about? Well, there's a lot of AEW stuff, so we should probably get that out of the way. There was a big dynamite. What, there was? I must have watched a wrong one. There was a big dynamite because it was a long diner. It was a long two hours.

It was a very, very long two hours. But I guess before we get there, we have to talk about something. And I've seen a little bit of it, and they showed some of the clips of it on Wednesday night. But there was a video all this time after they first debuted put out on the Death Riders, being interviewed by Renee Moxley Good of all people. By the Death Riders' wife. and it is clearly everyone's dream in here's our wrestling performance, our character performance, but let's get your take on it.

Oh, well, I'm not even going to try to give you a take on. I couldn't sit through the thing. I could, I have heard speeches on C-SPAN that were more gripping. But I can set the stage for the people who, haven't seen it and then I have actually a, because we got del used right with this people that oh look at this, talk about this

and oh here's what I think about this and there's one email that I thought was very representative of many of the comments so what we're going to do is we're going to look at the fans fucking reaction to this so I don't know I don't trust myself

anymore I thought it was me that I just I'm like what the fuck is going on with these people but now I find out it's not just me, it's it's the and we. Wee. But what they they showed on YouTube in its entirety was there is Renee Moxley Good and she's, you know, a very level-headed looking woman, but she, you know, says it's no secret. She's a normal-looking person, is what I'm saying.

You don't think that, you know, it's an odd. couple relationship, but she says, there's no secret that I'm married to John Moxler, he's my husband or whatever, but when the red light comes on in the wrestling, he becomes a different person, not the person I know, and it sets the stage for, apparently, she was standing in their backyard in suburban Cincinnati somewhere, right? And the fact that he had, he had, a space in his home that looks like this would normally indicate that somebody would need to be on some kind of governmental state, local, federal watch list, wouldn't they, Brian? Well, maybe he's in the saving.

Saving what? The money he's making, the millions and millions he's making. No, I'm not talking. I don't, he could have been off. He's not investing in property. He could have been on top of a mansion. we didn't see that but I'm talking about the underneath part somebody needs to be investigating him it depends on what he's saving down there

maybe it needs to be one of those fucking John Wayne Gacy fucking oh come on let's see what's in those jars of canned goods oh it's pickled people's feet no she turns and she goes and it's like the old-fashioned Dorothy Dorothy the storm's coming storm cellar doors underneath this house that she opens up and goes down these stairs into this dark area and then opens the door and it's like the Moxley dungeon only Stu Hart's dungeon. It was a goddamn, it was a basement with fucking with a kind of a drop ceiling with holes in it

and plaster walls with holes in them. This is one of the, it looked like my Aunt Lola's fucking basement and scared the shit out of me when I was a kid when they lived on 13th Street in Covington. This old two-story fucking home from like the early 1900s that had been converted into an upstairs and downstairs apartment, but the fucking basement was like cobblestones with water dripping. It looked like a goddamn Vincent Price movie.

So he's got this kind of apparatus set up in his home, allegedly. We didn't see a lot of the training, facility. But we saw, they had a dark room that they were standing in and then another room behind them where for some reason

Marina Schaefer was doing fucking, I don't know, stretching with a Richard Simmons video and they're trying to like their shadow boxing back there like at some kind of underground training facility and there was a poster on the wall but it was carefully lit that you

could, it looked as spooky as possible. But what the, the point is each one of these guys she talked to Claudio and talked to whoever she was talking to would stand there

and drone on in the I don't know what the fuck while somebody else was shadow boxing or stretching in the background and Moxley was pacing back and forth like a rat trying to find a quarter and a silo

and then when she talked to pack he was in a little fucking it is not even a one person sauna it looked like a goddamn penalty box at a hockey game or he was in a stall at a fucking truck stop and he's in the sauna talking

like and then Dick the boozer himself after the boor horseman get finished it just does the same thing he does on the promos on television just longer. Am I in any way

exaggerating when I've just described this... It was a dark and dank a 25-minute video or whatever it was. But I mean unless you were in a medically

induced coma and couldn't fucking move, would you sit there and listen to all 20 minutes of these fucking nitwits ramble on? Because it's just it was just more of the same but anyway I said I wasn't going to review

because I didn't fucking understand it but we got an email would you like to hear the email Brian sure you may have seen that it may have come across your desk but as CEO you don't have time to get into the weeds I get down here

in the weeds with our fans down into poison ivy and the fucking manure where it belongs and this is from Chris I will not give his last name just to save him from the legal threats.

But the subject of the email was close up with Mrs. the boozer. Jim and Brian, I'm sure you guys have seen this or had a hundred people send it to you, but my God, this whole close up with the Death Riders YouTube interview is a disaster. I laughed out loud when Renee finished her intro and the camera pans over so she can stroll into the death basement. The hard cut to pack

framed like a weird little troll trapped in a death sauna. Uda sang the quiet part out loud and admitting and admitting he feels like he's at a fantasy camp. At one point, old Wheeler said, yeah, you know, I felt like I was in a fantasy camp. But more importantly, Chris continues,

what the fuck is anyone talking about? Mock says the death riders are doing whatever it is they're doing because we're one bad decision away from setting this business back 20 years. That was a quote. What does that mean? What decision? Letting you get away with this shit for like six months now? It's certainly not moving the business forward. Another gym.

This is a quote from Dick the Boozer. I don't just say things because they sound good. That's all you do, man. No one else thinks it sounds good, but that's beside the point. What else would you call it when you say shit like Marina Schaefer will cut her enemies open and spill their guts out? Even in the world of colorful promo language, it doesn't mean anything. She's never fought anyone in this storyline. She's too busy death stretching in the background of this entire death clip.

That's well put. I like that. Everything about this interview is written, framed, and lit like a student film. I could almost forgive it if it were a couple of guys trying to make the best of bad booking, but this is Moxley doing exactly what he wants. The most impressive thing about it is how much he manages to make scripted promos sound like wandering, boring, meaningless improv. Bonus points for ending on Moxley saying everyone should stop just,

just stop asking questions and enjoy the ride. That was a quote also, Enjoy the ride. That's the reaction a seventh grader has when you're confused by his fan fiction, not the reaction of a grown man with any actual ideas. This whole storyline is hopelessly, hopelessly lost. God, please let it end, Chris.

And then, and he sent the link, as so many people did, to the, YouTube the full length of this thing here but Brian did I got a I don't know if you have access to this

but I got to not the clip I just got to read you some of the comments some of the comments on the comments from the people watching this video okay um well what I'm that John Moxley

wears clothes Claudio wears clothes wheeler wears clothes wheeler his clothes and Marina wears clothes, but why PAC doesn't wear any clothes? But yeah, people are basically mocks is Tyler Durdin and they're the space monkey cult.

I don't even know what that means, but it doesn't sound good. Another guy says, you sleep with him. This is so stupid. Or I'm a big Moxley fan, but this whole storyline has been really bad. I mean, their own people. You don't pack on the toilet, it seems rude to interrupt his private time.

Stage crap and getting boring now. Please change the script. Some of the comments I'm looking too, a lot of them are just pointing out, even if this was good, which it wasn't, this should have been done a long time ago. How come they're just now doing something to establish the motives, the reasoning? the red well and i i don't know what they've established yet except it took them longer to not explain it it's got words just meaningless words moxley thinks he's so clever the whole storyline makes zero sense please drop this hot garbage i mean these are the people watching their youtube channel

this story makes no sense their whole purpose is to bring honor back in real competition but yet every match finishes them cheating absolutely ignorant to have a storyline is the opposite of what they're saying. This promo did nothing for me. The problem is Tony likes it and Moxley loves it. And then you have to ask yourself what positives have come out of this. Apparently Tony's been, according to the observer, has been saying to people that the ratings are on an uptick.

Everything's kind of moving up a little bit. we'll talk about the ratings for this week later on the Moxley stuff has killed interest and the Moxley stuff has killed interest with the AEW most devoted fans so at some point it has to be addressed but it feels like it's not going to be and again if Tony Con doesn't understand

the difference between go-home heat and heat and it's different types of go-home heat obviously but nobody wants to see this nobody wants to see this this this just seemed like a weird junkie rant as a so are these guys heels or faces

this is fucking awful anyway if you want to check it out ladies and gentlemen he's in the death basement at his house and I think again some county official ought to go by there and maybe take a metal detector and a shovel down there and see what's going on in John Moxley's basement.

Oh, and he wanted to create a thousand John Moxley's. Did you get that? Did you hear that line? I read that quote. I don't even think I got to that point, but yeah, what a nightmare that would be. You think Kenny Omega wanted to fire 80% of the roster before? Just wait. Trust in us and enjoy the damn ride.

Well, the folks are going to have to trust in us today. Brian, instead of Mr. Moxley. That's the problem. John Moxley, I think, has proven that he does not have good ideas. He does not have good execution of his ideas. They're all really masturbatory as opposed to anything that's going to increase interest or cause fans to want to see more of it. Dynamite this week, which we're about to get to, another great example of that. I mean, it wasn't even just their segment with the heels beating down the baby faces or if they are baby faces, who knows what's going on. The Death Rider stuff, you have heels that just walk in without the crowd reacting at all.

The Moxley crew walks through the crowd, jumps the rail, does something, and then just stands in the crowd. Everyone else is standing there too. No one reacts to anything. It's the opposite of heat. But anyway, let's... Well, and they've seen the WWE crew right now, when they do the retro entrance where they've got like the five-foot wide bicycle rack barriers entryway to come to the ring

and the people are trying to reach and pat the baby faces and they're trying to stick the signs and the heels faces and go boo at them and all that stuff these fucking people just like you said

walk through the crowd walk down the sidewalk people just kind of look at them it's like you're going to like Tony and Tina's wedding or something like you just sit at your table and eat your dinner

and they're going to do the play all around you you don't have to move and they're not going to do anything you just sit there and you watch it. It's like going to the zoo. How do you know what Tony's going to do with Tina? Well, I've heard a lot about it.

Yeah. But that was the Death Riders, and Jim, let's get to AEW Dynamite. Huntsville, Alabama. They have been all over the south recently. Now they are in Alabama, and they've been there a lot in the past. And it's a big AEW dynamite with a long, long, long, long, long runtime. Everything, yes. Yeah.

And fortunately, it's probably not going to take us as long to talk about it as usual because it was so long. But there were in Huntsville, and I don't know if you can Googleify the crowd there. But again, you know, this show was almost an example of everything that you would expect them to do wrong and almost nothing you would expect them to do right. And they start out with the... Go ahead. I'd like to jump in real quick. The Von Braun Center, Proppst Arena.

And actually, they had... It's Probst Arena now, because it used to be the Von Braun Civic Center named after famous astrophysicist Werner von Braun, because Huntsville was big with the space program. You know, they had the plant down there. now somebody's horned in and got naming rights on Werner's fucking building.

Was he the inspiration for Von Brauners? Probably. He, because Werner Kempler is the only other Werner that I know and he, Colonel Clint came after Werner von Braun. According to Russell Ticks, 2,305 tickets distributed. What is the seating capacity of the Von Braun Civic Center there? Give me him. The probes arena or whatever.

because it's a lot more than that. Yeah, give me a moment. I'll pull that up just for the record. They were there last year, February 28th, so a little less than a year ago, dynamite 3,413. It probably wasn't close to being full with that either. But while you look at overall seating capacity, oh, you've got it again, boom!

Okay, well, that's someone else's trademark, but we go now to Wikipedia. I forgot about the boom, fellas. According to Wikipedia, the Probst Arena, 8,300 for theater seating. For theater seating? That's a weird way to phrase an arena. Does that mean with nothing on the floor?

Because, I mean, it has your banquet ballroom, and then it has theater seating, 8,300 for Probs Arena, 1955 for the Smith Concert Hall, 1575 for the Mars Music Hall, that's where I want to go, and the Playhouse 502. All right, they used to just have an arena there.

Maybe they've split it up or they've built some new shit or whatever, but the point is there weren't many fucking people here. Maybe next time we're on the Smith Concert Hall. Maybe next time I have Harley Cameron come out and give a concert. But they started off automatically with, here comes our friend Will Ostrich. And I mean, he looks like a Batman villain. Ah, here comes the fine feathered fiend with the robe and the thing he's got going on

and he's flapping his wings. He's not flapping his wings. He's throwing his arms in the air and he's got the feathers, right? He's flapping his wings. I'm telling you, if he came out in the third season of Lost in Space, he'd look even more ridiculous than the carrot man.

But anyway, and he's wrestling Brian Cage, because we want to see that for 15 solid minutes real bad. And we saw him what? Was it last week? He lost to Omega? I don't retain this. Or was it two weeks ago? Whatever.

He lost to Omega. Then they had the brawl last week, I guess it was. And now this match. Well, and Cage has grown his hair out again. Now he looks like Steve Blackman on steroids. At one point, he was a jacked-up T-Joe Khan. Then he ended the whole fucking Mohawk thing. I don't know what the fuck's going.

anyway, they're starting this match at the top of the show. And before the bell, Don, our friend Don Fowles, is over at color at the announce desk, and he stands up and tells Osprey, look at the screen, and they show on the screen, Kenny is down on the floor in the back with the referees checking on him, and he's been beaten up. I wrote, De Clown is down. in the words of Tony Garria. How did they set this up exactly? So Don Callis is in cahoots with the production truck

and they just cut to it when he said, cut to the assault! Yes, cut now to the assault that we just perpetrated so that we can show you this. And then Cage jumps Osprey from behind while he's looking at it. And then they just ring the bell and have the match and you don't know shit from apple butter but what's going to kiddies.

Philopian tubes may have spilled out onto the gun. goddamn floor. But they just, they're off of that now. And the corpse referee was officiating, so that means that they can do anything they want to do, because he don't know what the fuck's going on.

And anyway, nobody wants to hear about the match. We will skip that, because that saves 15 minutes of your life. But finally, Osprey reversed a fucking, I don't know, a double

goose fucking fraba and barely hit a styles clash on cage because he didn't trap his one arm and thankfully he went with it anyway one two three and he's a heavy motherfucker to begin with

and that was that and then suddenly here's Lance Archer boom and he jumps in there and starts getting heat on Osprey and it's kind of blaze heat that went nowhere and it wasn't with any sense of urgency and the people are kind of sitting there

bored. We've said this in the last few weeks, but it keeps happening with these same guys. They don't know how to do a beatdown. They don't know how to throw the blows. They don't know how to do anything other than to just mug the person, just jump on. And many of them don't know how to take it. And there's an art to getting the shit kicked out. If you also, you can keep them active and you can fight back a little bit at the start

instead of one tackle pancake. They hit somebody one time, they're down and they just boom. Remember the old footage of any major baby face in any territory. When they jump him, he fought back, and then the numbers finally got him. It was a struggle. And then the fucking heels look like they're meaning to do something and get away with it in a limited period of time, not like, well, we've got all the time. We want to do this.

We can take our time to walk around. Nobody's obviously going to interfere with this because it wasn't in the production meeting. It's just blah. So then the people are saying. And the people are sitting there and then they play the music and here comes Kenny and Kenny slides in with a chair and he hits you've got a goddamn blunt instrument in your hand you've got a chair in your hand there's this big fucking six foot nine guy or whatever so what's the first thing you do you take it and you run at the edge of it into his stomach so that he will bend over and stand in a stooped over stationary position so you can get a different group

rip and then draw back and then hit him in the back while he's looking over like are you going to hit me yet the fuck well did you see brian cage was just standing there waiting for his turn oh yes well cage instead of her looking like well i wish he'd hurry up and get to me because i don't really have anything to do and then he just threw the chair at him so boom he just bounce off and go on about his business take the bump out he literally could have grabbed the chair out of omega's hands instead he stood there waiting for his turn to take the chair Yeah. And that's the thing is if you can't, if you don't know how to work on either side of that equation, if a motherfucker cannot, if you're going to hit a guy with a chair and you can't slide in and give the guy one good shot over the head with the fucking chair and him take it and neither one of you are able to work enough to wear that it would in any way be injurious to his fucking health, then don't come in with a fucking chair. instead of doing this stagey indie outlaw bullshit

a gut shot with the fucking edge of a fucking chair and then again timing they don't know how to they don't know how to get heat they don't know how to make saves they don't know how to feed whatever the fuck but nevertheless boom he hits him throws the chair at cage and he goes to help will and as they're holding off

those heels. Here comes fucking Kyle Feltcher and take a shit. And now it's four on two. Go ahead. Now that was the first time where you're like, okay, the segment could end right now. It's gone a while because it was with the match and that went a while. Yes. Perfect time to end it. Right now. I maybe kind of want to see more.

It looks like that maybe Will and Kenny are going to put past them their personal piccadillos and pussyness. In this match alone, Kenny overcame getting this attack backstage and ran out there. This was the perfect time to end it right here. Yes.

But no! Because here comes Feltcher and take a shit. And now it's four on two, and they get through the same thing they just did, they all get more lackluster heat. Only now, there's just more of them. And then they pick the baby faces up and give them double pile drivers in the middle of the ring,

and then they stand there. And nobody came out to try to help, not even a goddamn production assistant, waving their arms like, we don't care if you've broken their necks, but you've gone over time. There was no attempt at containing this heinous business that people are standing there.

By the end of it, it could care less. He heats up, he cools down. he's all over the fucking page all the baby faces they might they get the shit kicked out of them they come back and they start a fight to get the shit kicked out of them again nobody tries to help it's obviously not important to anybody to company

and there's no sense of urgency from the heels this is something that nobody talks about maybe because nobody except me talking about it has ever actually had any goddamn experience the more urgency that the heels are perpetrating their heinous act with, the more of the people sense that it's something they're trying to get away with

instead of just something that's part of the show or something that it doesn't matter or some, it's just blasé or whatever. We were legitimately trying to, when you would beat up the baby faces, or you would injure somebody with some angle, a tennis ragged in the throat, or a chair in a fucking head, or fucking barbed wire dildo up the yin-yang, whatever. ECW.

Yeah, there you go. You were trying to get away with something. You were hurrying in a working way. You weren't rushing to the point where the people would miss it. You made the point of the thing. The actual act was accentuated, but you were, there was an earth. urgency to your actions as you were trying to get away with something before eventually

someone or some forces came that would have been able to prevent it. But God damn it, they were just that late. That's what makes an impact. And I have felt, as I said, in a performer as a performer in the past, when you're doing it, you're trying to get away with something. That's the way you're looking at it. You're like, somebody's going to come stop me. I've got this and this and this and this we're going to make bang and that imparts more of a sense of oh shit instead of just this endless

wandering around turning in circles and waiting for somebody else to come out because that's another thing you can tell anytime I produce television smoking about wrestling Ohio Valley Wrestling Ring of Honor if the guys were doing an angle where there was going to be somebody hitting

the ring and making a comeback and then there's something else happening there would be some level of knowledge of the people in the ring as when we were going to send whoever we were going to send it we didn't say just go ahead and get heat and then we'll send them now we used to back in the territory

days we'll send them when it's right because everybody knew what they were doing but no when you get this or you have that done and we're going to send so-and-so and he needs to fucking blow a big come back and a blah blah blah and you would somewhat give the thing a structure so that it would keep moving and there would be the roller coaster ride the peaks and valleys they just send people out there and say well just get some heat on them and then you go out well what's my cue to go out oh just let them get some heat it's just it's disjoint it i don't know what the fuck's going on and everybody has to come out and get heat so anyway that was that

What did you think of that? It went on way too long. And again, Kenny got beat down in the segment during the match in the back. Then he got beat down when he came out. And then the beatdown just continued again. Like they didn't want to end. It's just endless beatdowns on this show. And then Archer went to business for himself.

I think he started hitting him in the gullet with the chair. Like he was trying to rupture his diverticulitis again. It's not a perfect example because not everyone's a chicken should heal. but I think a Jimmy Hart when he would jump in there and just start doing those little kicks that he would do to the guy on the mat. There was always a sense of urgency.

Like, I have only X amount of time I'm going to get as many kicks in as possible before I have to run or get punched in the face by longer or whatever it may be. And also the thing was, the kicks didn't hurt, but it was humiliating.

Because look, now that the guy's down, there's that little fucking weasley don't weigh 150 pounds. And look at him kicking him. He's kicking him like a fucking tinkerbell. And that was, but there's, No element of that here. It's just people going through the motions of doing shit that they've seen on fucking wrestling

television. And I'm sick and fucking tired of it. Two things. One. Yes. I'm sure that that'll be the best match on the Australia event, that tag match probably, with Takesh and Fletcher versus Omega and Osprey. Oh, they better have ambulances standing by.

They'll probably dive off the roof of the fucking stadium. Well, I forgot they're not in a stadium anymore. They'll dive off the roof of the arena. If that doesn't go to nine stars, there's a problem. But secondly, is there any merit at all to the argument that Omega and Osprey beat up all four of these guys last week, moonsaulting off the Knoxville mezzanine or loge section in the Coliseum, whatever it was, and the lighting pole, that they needed to get beat down before the match, that it was, you know, the other guys, not turn, but the right thing to do anything to that?

Was it needed? But see, here's it. Then you're expecting me to justify what they did last week to explain why this week was still wrong. The thing is, it's endemic and it's embedded in what they do that, what do you come back with the following week

from double moon salts out of the balcony and the fucking lighting stands with? Well, should they run them over with a car this week? Because next week, the stadium show, they're going to have fucking... somebody's got to be set on fire, fire the flame thrower up again. It's all been so much for so long. I guess it goes to my overall point and it's been a point.

The overall point is, but shouldn't they get something back since they, I'm not saying they should. I'm saying that's an argument. I don't think they should. I think the problem is too many baby faces are getting beat down on the paper views and dynamite. Well, yeah, here's the thing.

And somebody said Uncle Dave was trying to pontificate on this recently in his publication and say he had quantified it like this percent of the time then I believe that the baby faces should look strong just to make sure that the people still believe it at the same time you've got to have the other percent of the

and again it's like somebody's trying to fucking put even a math class and have him figure this out it's fucking it's unique it's emotions and it's a feel that's why bookers have a feel. That's why people who have done this and right now the WWE they have a feel

in a lot of cases like the bookers used to of when you can sacrifice this. Strowman doesn't mean anything to us right now so we can get fatu over that but it's a feeling there's no formula for it. There's no way you can

quantify it mathematically. The guys in the territory days where they were in front of the many of the same audiences in the same towns on a weekly or monthly basis. They were the best at feeling it. You need to get a baby face over with the fans that they believe in him and that more often than not, he would succeed in winning the title or achieving his goal or getting even with the fucking asshole if he got a fair shot at it.

And once you establish a couple of those. one specifically in your territory, then you could take some out of his bank account to make a new heel. A new heel comes in by shitting in this guy's post-toasties. And then you try to keep it interesting for as long as you can, but you still can't let the fans lose belief

that in the end, their hero can get even with this fucking guy and they want to see it. And so all along the way, feeling depending on the people involved, the situation, the crowds, what they buy. I've seen baby faces get over by being beaten in their initial appearances, but at the same time, the sympathy went with them enough that the people stayed with them. and you know there's no formula for it

but it's common sense and when you've done too much of everything to everybody then nothing registers the way it should with your fans because they've seen it or they've seen something similar

and they've seen so much of it so much of it so that is the problem they don't have the baby face that the people believe in but they also can't get heat on the heels not only do the people know

that of course it's all fucking bullshit but also that what can you do to a fucking human being to make people mad that that incident was done when the people don't really truly like almost any of your baby faces and they've seen everything done already to a body.

So then you're just, then you're indie wrestling, which is where they're at right fucking now. Because that works in indie wrestling because it's not on TV and the local crowd only, either 200 people see it once a month or 500 people see it twice a year. I'm sorry, am I on a soapbox here?

No, but I think that was very educational and you brought up obviously a lot of great points that Booker should pay attention to, but sometimes they just wait until it's in the observer. Yeah, and you know, and the old type of the top guys with the Booker would sit down. You can see Nick Bockwinkle and Ray Stevens in a fucking room with fucking bruiser and crusher and Gagne or whatever.

Well, you know, we need to get something back, well, we can't lose our heat. And it would be a negotiation. Well, we should do this. You should do that. And they would come up with it because they knew what the fuck they were doing. Because they'd done it, and they had a feel for their audience. But everybody's different depending on their persona, how they're presented, and what the issue is.

So there's no formula, but that's why it's an art. You've got to feel it and know when a baby face is getting over or a heel's getting over, but when you're beating them too much or making them like they did with MJF, that's a classic example, how to kill a hot heel. and with a baby face, they haven't really had anybody get over as baby faces more than when they debuted in AEW except for the Hurt Syndicate.

Just because they look like stars and are actually beating people. But I digress. Well, again, it was a long opening segment and although educational, a long review. Yes. And sometimes after, things like this, a man would like to lay down and take a nap or go to bed or just say good night,

I'll see you tomorrow for French toast in the morning. Just say good night and have a pleasant tomorrow. What does Kenny do? Good night and au revoir. What does he say? Good night. He says, wait a minute. Good.

Good day. Good good, good day. Wait a minute. Hold now you've scared it out of me, as Mama Cornette would say. He says, and have a pleasant tomorrow. Good night. Good night. news, and bang.

I don't know. He's either kissing us off or shooting at us. See, the funny thing is, every single thing you can imagine Miss Piggy saying. Good night. Mwa! I love you. Well, he doesn't do bang, bang, it's just one bang, right? Just one bang.

Well, that's old one bang Kenny. That's what the girls all say. But I'll tell you what, hey, folks, whether you want to just lay down or get one bang. That's why he's not in the bang bang gang. Well, bang bang it was all ganging up on the banging And he couldn't take that He's a private kind of guy But folks, if you want to have a gang bang

We know what you can lay down on Let's not incorporate that activity Well, you know it's happened Well, of course it's happened It's happening right now as we're recording in some places I mean on a Helix mattress Oh, I meant at the Maryland Well, it just depends on

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No, of course not. It was brand new. It was sealed. It was clean. Well, you know, you still, everything comes in the house has to have the black light passed over. It just to make sure that it doesn't need to go back inside. the decontamination chamber. Do you just walk around with this black light? Yes, every two weeks. But I'll tell you folks, these helix mattresses, they're going to be spotless under black light,

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sleep I ever had on a Helix mattress. So they're plugging February 15th in Australia on Max and something or live or whatever. There's no way

they're saying it's going to air but there's still no time like here this day and time is where you can see this thing. It's just, it's going to air, right? We believe so. I think, again, I don't have it in front of me. Is it like the NBA All-Star game? There's something else that is a priority for TNT.

You think? That day, so they can't air it. Fucking, one of the fucking master control engineers' wife is going to have a baby. So, but then Renee Moxley-good was in the back. Adam Page was looking everywhere for swerve Strickland, couldn't find him, bumped into MJF, they exchanged nasty looks, and Paige walked off. Now, I thought Paige had just been shamed into being a baby face.

Hadn't he? He had. Maybe that's why he was going to try to find swerp, like, hey. But to apologize? That's what bygones. Big bygones, you terrorized my kid. I blew up your house. You know, they do share blood, at least one way.

Let's call the whole thing off. Which one drank the other? He drank Swarves. Page drank Swarves blood, so Page is a blood brother to swerve. Maybe that's it, I don't know. Maybe he's going to attack him again, but that would be a heel move. Whatever it was, he bumped into clearly a heel, MJF. And then MJF knocked him and then cut a promo about Jeff Jarrett,

which we'll get to shortly. but in between they also had a promo from Hobbs where well I wasn't cleared to come back tonight you dumb shit maybe you shouldn't have dove off the goddamn bridge with the guy

think about that how many more ways can they make Hobbs look like a dumb ass either they beat him sometimes we see him sometimes we don't then they beat him up he never wins anything then the other night

as I mentioned on collision mentioned on the previous show we did Archer just beat the just demoralized this fucking guy and then his comeback was to belly Archer and himself off the stage through

a couple of tables to the floor where they both laid their dead so now instead of Archer on here saying oh god damn that Hobbs beat me with an inch of my life and he broke all my ribs I'd can't breathe what It's Hobbs saying, well, I'm not cleared to wrestle tonight.

Oh, right. Is it just me? Brian, is it just, I'm just asking you, is it just me? Maybe this is a step up, because usually he gets hurt and just disappears and we don't see him for a long time. Now he gets to come out and admit that he's got the shit kicked out of you. Yeah, this was almost like, I'll be back very soon. Not like a bandito, hey, I'm going to do a drop kick, I'll see you in a year. Where's bandito?

Was that concussion that? bad for that's not usually good but i mean i was this has only been if it's a bit a month yeah i guess so feels like longer these shows have been very long yes so then we got to the match where if jeff jarratt wins over claudio cast ignoli then he gets a world title match with dick the boozer himself to fulfill his drive away viewers and record fashion but it's It would fulfill his dream that we've heard about for six weeks now of being the world champion in his final year. I just can't help it.

Right after Sina announced the same exact thing. Yeah. And they were in Huntsville, Alabama, so they wanted to like Jeff, right? The people here in the building, if they had any reason to be behind Jeff, you know, these people were susceptible to it. so but again they had a match and it's in the middle of all of this shit nothing Claudio and Jeff and finally the finish was here comes old wheelie useless and he slides a chair in the ring and then jumps up to the apron but Jeff nails him

and he goes down and the referee then bends over and starts trying to get this guy out of the ring and it's like he's glued to the mattress, no matter what this, or to the mattress, to the mat. See, I did the helix sleep, ladies and gentlemen. He's glued to the mat. And there's no way the referee can, he's just there forever.

Meanwhile, he's ignoring that five feet behind him, Claudio is picked up the chair, Claudio swings the chair, Jeff ducks it. The chair falls, Jeff goes for the fucking stroke, but Dick the Boozer comes in, and while Jeff's been over, grabs him in a double-armed DDT.

And then fucking, they flip the chair out and the boozer rolls out of the fucking ring. And now the referee turns around from shoving this one game. And the crowd was disgusted booing at that point because, oh, because they went so far that it's like, you expect us to even buy this. This is so fucking. And Claudio hit a sloppy finish. and then picked him up and did it again and it looked worse the second time,

same fucking thing. One, two, three. I don't know if he thought that he had, it was close enough the first time, but maybe he thought oh, that was the shits, I'll do it again, and it was the shitsier.

In the Shitsy scale. Are you familiar, Brian, with the Shitsy scale? I watched Dynamite. I think I saw the advent of the Shitsy scale. So then, Jeff was laid out and the heels left and the fans were lightly, double J, double J. And then MJF's music hits.

And he comes out to the ring. And as Jeff is getting up to his feet, MJF gets in with the microphone and starts to talk and says about three words and just levels Jeff with a fucking shot with the dynamite diamond ring. and just cut a short little promo to Jeff's unconscious body because you're a legend, I respect you, I'm not going to say I told you so.

And then he walked off. So Jeff got laid out and beat and then got up and got laid out again by a different person with one punch. And then MJF left. MJF, MJ left. Why would any fan want to be behind Jeff Jarrett right now? They've given you no reason beyond like the initial promos to believe in him.

And now really, I mean, you don't want to see him against Boxley and kind of want MJF to just keep bumping into Adam Page or something. I wouldn't want to be behind him now if he was one of those fat people on a scooter at Walmart. Because he's like, Jesus Christ, I'll never get around this fucking roadblock. What story are they All right Was there any heat for Moxley coming in there That's the other problem Top Heel in the company, world champion

No It's not like when Again on one of the WWE programs If somebody at that level slides into the ring The plays go, oh shit They're like ah It's no And then

On this journey through hysteria we were almost at the 9 o'clock hour, so we got R.C.S.A.R. Fox. But the rule was if Swerve interfered in the match, then his match with ricochet, wherever the fuck they're going to have that, it would be off then. He'd lose that. And this thing started at 10 minutes till 9

and was still going at the 9 o'clock hour. See, you got Rickashay versus a guy that comes in every once in while and does jobs for 10 solid minutes leading up to the top of the hour. Which couldn't have been beneficial, one would think. But at 901, Brian, I'll have you known. That's Eastern Standard Time now. Rickishay hit some kind of fucking move, one, two, three. And then pulled out the golden scissors. Golden scissors.

and as he's going to stab the fucking job guy that he just beat, apparently for what reason we don't know, here comes swerve, now he can interfere because the match is over, and he starts beating up Rickusay. But Rickashay, when he's almost in position to be double stomped off the top rope, grabs AR Fox and lays down

and hides behind him with the scissors to his throat as a hostage fucking situation and rolls out on the floor and then

scurries off for higher ground after putting the scissors to that's two weeks in a row that he, by the way he has put scissors to someone's throat

I would think that he'll resources would have something to say, wouldn't you? Well, they're pretty busy with a lot of other things, so I don't know. But this week was worse than last week. He was laying on the mat doing it. Yeah, yeah. Oh, Jesus Christ.

A.R. Fox is a good victim, I guess. Have they explained why scissors? Like, you know, you were a rich kid. You had a tennis racket because you were a rich putts playing tennis. Well, I guess his father was a fucking habadasher. I don't. Should he be the barber? Rickishay the barber?

I was good, but, well now... He hasn't cut anyone's hair now that I think about it. The Phallus family and Don, they did a fancally colored and painted screwdriver, right? So I don't know what the scissors are unless he's going to cut us out of his world, like Charlie Manson. I think ricochets over more as a heel right now than Moxley is.

Well, yeah, but now, That's a bar that a fucking cricket could limbo under. Anyway, and there was notes then, or notes, excerpts, clips. I'm looking at my notes. There was clips of that giant marathon death dungeon deal with Renee and all of that crew in the basement. and another I'm not watching these Jericho promos

I just can't what in the world is so childish I don't even know what they're trying to do and they're taking big bill down with them but then we got to the next match Brian light switch J White versus Wheely useless and I was at that point

in this match or in this show I was like is this a rib and 15 minutes later 15 minutes Jay White hit his finish one two three and then he grabbed him up and he hit another one and then the fans actually at that point so oh don't you give him one more they were somewhat interested and then here came Dick the boozer who appeared and distracted

Jay White while Claudio came from behind and they all started fake kicking Jay White again just like the previous angle where they all fake kicked and fake got heat on and then music played and Edge and FTR slid in

and the heels bailed out and Dax did a promo he was mad that they tried to end Ricky Morton's career he called him his what he say is 67-year-old hero. I'm thinking that's three or four years off,

but I'm going to stay out of that fucking. The courts can rule on that later on. And then Dax plugged Dennis Condry. Dennis lives in Huntsville, so he was there, and he got a free ticket, by the way, and swore on Dennis' name that they would beat the boer horsemen on collision in a mid-south street fight.

And they were in Huntsville, Alabama, so they didn't have any connection to mid-south wrestling, so they didn't necessarily pop on that or anything else in this segment, because what the fuck, but there you go. And, you know, as an addendum to what I said earlier about urgency and the heels trying to get away with something and you have to time these things,

I thought of this a minute or so ago. If anybody wants to, I know it's on YouTube, I've seen it there, maybe they've taken it down with the status of the network, who knows what's going on. But the angle that the Midnight Express did with Brian Pilman and Tom Zink and Altoona, Pennsylvania on the Saturday Night TBS program, where Bobby...

1990. 1990, they gave Pilman the leg to the vegomatic, the leg drop with... Stan's bear hug while my tennis racket was on his throat. That's an example. You'd do a finish. The heels come in.

They get some fucking heat. They do their damage. And then people come to try to stop it. And we played king of the hill. And then it was too much and we had to get out of there. And the people were screaming and there was urgency to it.

That's when I was still on the creative committee there in WCW for about two more weeks. after we shot that, so I actually laid that out and produced that segment myself so that everybody would know when to come in and when to attempt to make a save and blah, blah, blah. And the whole violent nature of the finish to angle to or finish to brawl to angle to out was under three minutes, but it was chaotic minutes. This is just blah.

Blah. This is just... All right, no one likes that, but let's move on. Yeah, I think it's a little cringy, I don't know. All right, then Renee Moxley Good was on the stage with Maria May. And I think this show is brutal. And she actually said and got by with on TBS television, they should change Huntsville's name to start with a C. Boy, for a program that's losing instead of gaining viewers,

they don't want to be friendly to the network, do they? You couldn't say foreign object. No, yes, we got memos about, yo, you can't say foreign object. So then they did a long earlier tonight recap that made me think for some reason that they were running fucking short. or running long, or you know what I'm saying. They, shit, we're almost running on empty.

Yeah, we're running on empty. And then, folks, once again, if I'm lying, I'm flying, and my feet ain't left to ground. The main event of this program was the, the multiple girl belt title match with Mercedes Moon and Yucca, Sakazaki. And Mercedes came out with all four of her

play promotion belts. Together they weigh more than she does. And here came Yuka, who is the magical girl. And she's dressed like Barbara Eden, and I dream of Jeannie for all you 60 to 75-year-old perverts out there. And this was the main event of the television program. And they even had smote.

Miley Roberts do the ring introductions and it's 10 minutes till 10 so everybody pretty much knows well no they're we don't even usually watch the end of the program but sometimes they have an angle but no what the fuck and Yuka

it sounded to me like got a bigger pop than Mercedes because they kind of Mercedes they borebood her like ah and this this got an overrun they now they always

they started out saying we're going to stay with this match until the conclusion when they started doing the overruns and it was great if it was a big main event title match or if it was done even a couple of times a month or what but but they were doing it as a ratings ploy to try to grab you know what do we figure one time

10 or 11,000 people onto their average. And at one point they did a 20-something minute overrun, but lately it's been five, six, seven minutes, but now they got the Joe Schmoe show. That important piece of television real estate is following this program. So they're getting five minutes and boom

and they need to get out of there because they don't want the hose to miss Joe Schmo. So this, they must be contractually obligated down to get an overrun because if there was ever a match that didn't deserve a network scheduling change it would be this one wouldn't you agree brian have i soapbox too much you know again if joe schmoe's a priority why would you have this overrun because the overruns never really every now and then they do but they never really gain viewers so you're driving out more people before well remember they used to gain some when they started doing it it was kind of a

unique deal and it was something that, you know, and now it's like, no, they expect it. And they don't want to see it. I don't know what happened in this match. Mercedes one, Mercedes Mondeau. Well, I was fast forwarding until I either saw some other talent involved in an angle because I didn't want to get false finished like Raw the other night or Joe Schmo and I saw Joe Schmoe. So have you been watching it? Is it any good?

I haven't watched it yet. I hadn't got a chance to devote any time to it yet, but the description sounds better than AEW. I wonder if they can get him, like book him for some appearances. It would probably help them. They can announce Joe Schmoe will be here next week on the show. I think they have to wait until Joe finds out at the end of this series

that he's a Schmoe. Because at the first part of it, they're working him, right? He doesn't know he's a Schmo. yet. He hasn't been, he hadn't been schmowed. He hadn't been schmofied. All right. Well, that was A.W. Dynamite in Huntsville. We've been schmofed. We've been schmofed. And before we schmow on any longer, let's get to the ratings. A.W. Dynamite, January 29th, 8 to 10.105 p.m. on average, watched by 604,000 viewers. Oh, they're going back in the opposite direction of when they've been doing the past couple of weeks.

And again, they're trying to say that interest and ratings are going up. I think there may have been some other circumstances behind any raise in the numbers the last few weeks, but we'll talk a little bit about collision also in a little while. But let's get to the quarter hours. And by the way, you brought up last week, down 8%. Last week was 6.55, 4-week average 634. So off 5% on that. And have I heard rumors

Hear Tell on the Interwebs That when they give out these numbers This is now including the TBS and Max viewership Can we get any confirmation on that from anybody? You know, because I told you I think maybe a week or two ago This doesn't include Max and you said of course And then I was like, yeah, of course

But I think I have read that But I don't know how rapid We have several people who work in television so they'll probably get to us before anyone in wrestling. Yes, we are trying to investigate this, but somebody's saying it says, well, which pretty much the numbers never changed. They went up a little, they went down a little.

But it's the same thing. I think the same people are just watching however the fuck they're watching. Again, we go now. Well, go ahead. I was just going to say, but tell me more. Let's go to the quarter hours. These were compiled by WrestleManiaomics, quarter one, 8 to 8.15 p.m.

Brian Cage versus Will Osprey 746,000 viewers. Ouch, so right there, they took a hit from where they started last week of almost 100,000 or so, didn't they? And, you know, I didn't even realize it, no commercial break for the first quarter. Our first, yeah, first quarter. Yeah, maybe that's why it seemed especially long that match. We got our quarter to 815, 8.30 p.m. the continuation of Osprey versus Cage,

the post match with the Don Callis family, Kenny Omega, and that is a colon. So that is the end of that. And wait a minute, what about Kenny Omega's colon? Adam Page. Adam Page and MJF's backstage angle, an ad break, the Powerhouse Hobbs promo, and the start of Jeff Jarrett,

the last outlaw, versus Claudio Castignoli The Last Swissman 679,000 viewers Okay, well on the positive side That's not as big a drop From quarter one to two as they had last week That's only 46, 66, 67,000 people

That ain't bad We got a quarter three 830 to 845 p.m. The continuation of Claudio versus Jeff with picture and picture ads and the post match with MJF and then ad break

601,000 viewers Ouch, well there went 78,000 more and now they're down 145,000 in 45 minutes We go to quarter 4, 845 to 9 p.m. Rikoshae's backstage promo

and Rikashe versus AR Fox with Picture and Picture and Picture Ads, 599,000 viewers. Okay, well, it's only 2,000 people. It's just, it's a mental thing they've gone from the sixes to the fives, but really they held the audience. But unfortunately, the top of the hour is coming up. What happened there?

We go to the top of the hour, the big 9 o'clock hour, 9 to 9.15 p.m. quarter five, the continuation of Rickashay versus Fox. The post-match with Swerve Strickland, an ad break, the Learning Tree promo, and the start of Jay White versus Wheeler Yuda, 585,000 viewers. Oh, so, it didn't bode well, as I said, and they lost another 14,000, and now they are down. $150,000, 161,000, 161,000 viewers from that. but they've almost got to pick something up to get to their average here pretty soon.

Well, we go to, what is this now? This is quarter six, nine, 15, and 9.30 p.m. Jay White versus We were Yuda continued. Is that you writing or is that Swami scratching something? That was me scratching my head. Am I not allowed to scratch it? I thought it was maybe Swami scratching to somehow he got to the door and he's saying, hey, I got a pee.

I didn't know what the hell it was. I guess what I'm saying is you scratching head, Sounds like a dog scratching the door. Well, that's because my paw is made for scratching. That's just what they'll do. One of these days, these paws are going to scratch the shit out of you. The continuation of White versus Yuda, with picture and picture, and the post match with the Death Riders

and rated FTR, 593,000 viewers. Okay, the modest gain of 8,000. That could have been some people getting home from dinner. Well, dinner continues in quarter 7, 9.30, 9.45 p.m. The Tony Storm Mariah Mae video. Was that just a recap? Yeah, basically. The Mariah May ramp promo?

Yeah. Oh, you didn't even talk about this. The Guns video. Well, remember, I was skipping through shit. I didn't know the guns had a video, but Mariah called Huntsville, Cuntsville, basically. Yeah, and then they did a video for the gun, so they're on the way back. And the Hurt Syndicate backstage promo, followed by an ad break, 546,000 viewers. Oh, good Lord.

That's 200,000 exactly since the start of the program. So they've already lost over 25% of their initial audience. But wait, there's more. What did you could do? We go now out of quarter eight. I remind you, we have a five-minute overrun. Quarter eight, nine-forty-five to ten p.m. Deanna Parazo and Taya Valkyrie's backstage promo.

And the start of Mercedes Monet versus Yuka Sakazaki with picture and picture. 514,000 viewers. Ouch. Five-minute overrun. The continuation of Yuka versus Monet. 518,000 viewers. So that's 232,000 viewers, which they started with 746 and they lost 232%.

I think they lost 33%, didn't they? I will trust your math, you're a wise man. No, they lost 30%. They didn't quite lose 33. it would be somewhere around 30% of the audience. Good night. And again, the featured stuff on that show, you have Mercedes-Money and the women in the main event spot.

But the main event spot typically doesn't do very good on these shows lately. The Moxley stuff, the Jeff Jarrett stuff. I wanted to quickly bring up to you, Jim, collision on the 25th. That was with the Tony Storm or Ryan May angle that you... Actually, you watched more than that. You saw a bunch of this show. Yes. Yes, remember until something happened the last 15 minutes, I said, oh, hell no, I'm just done.

But, yeah, there were a lot of things. They destroyed Powerhouse Hobbs' career. They did a lot of goofy shit on that program. According to WrestleMania 25th, 2025, 8 to 10 p.m., 250,000 viewers on average. It says here it does not include max here, but we don't know what that max number would be in any way. but when you look at the quarter hours, again, if you're trying to present this like we're gaining popularity and everything's working,

quarter one, 8 to 8.15 p.m., promos in the back, followed by Samoa Joe versus Nick Wayne, and the postmatch with the patriarchy, Shabbata, and Hook, and a dynamite recap, 363,000 viewers. Quarter two, 815, 8.30 p.m. O'Cada versus Commander, picture and picture, and the Powerhouse Hobbs Big Bill angle, followed by an ad break, 289,000 viewers, quarter three, Big Justice and AJ,

and the undisputed kingdom, I will dispute that, backstage angle, Angelo Parker and Daniel Garcia and Matt Menard versus the Undisputed Kingdom, with picture and picture, 269,000 viewers. Quarter 4, 8.45 to 9 p.m., continuation of the aforementioned match, Max Caster's backstage promo, an ad break,

Top Flight's backstage promo, and the Tony Storm Mariah Mae live angle, 259,000 viewers. Oh. Now we go to the big 9 o'clock hour, 9 to 9.9.15 p.m. Quarter five. But the big thing that everybody was talking about has been the lowest so far.

The John Moxley backstage promo, followed by the Gates of Agony, versus the Hounds of Hell, with picture and picture ads. With the Hound of the Baskerville special referee. 255,000 viewers. We go now at quarter six. That's what this is. 9.15 and 9.30 p.m. the Big Justice

AJ Harley Cameron Deanna Parazo Taya Valkyri angle An ad break Thunder Rosa and Penelope Ford's angle Serena Dib versus Deanna Parazzo versus Yuka Sakazaki versus Queen Amanata

Oh Jesus Christ Picture and picture 193,000 viewers Wow 69,000 in the key demo 930 to 945 p.m. quarter 7, continuation of D. Versus Parazzo versus Sakazaki versus Queen Amanata.

The Hounds of Hell, Okada backstage angle. An ad break. Powerhouse Hobbs and Big Bills Live angle. And the Don Callis Family Video, 187,000 viewers. Finally, and there's a two-minute override. 945 to 10 p.m., quarter 8, Takeshesta versus Shabbata, with picture and picture,

185,000 viewers, bottoming out of 58,000 in the key demo, two-minute overrun, 257,000 viewers. Boy, they were waiting for something to come next, weren't they? But that was 8 to 10 for collision, right, on Saturday night. That is correct. Against Saturday night's main event. but

Saturday night's main event was 8 to 10 also right so collision started with 363,000 people and ended with 185,000 185 times 2 is

370 right they lost 50% of their audience it's not like all of a sudden the Saturday night's main event started and oh shit we got to leave and go over there it was already going it was the same time people were actively saying fuck this television program but you see that goes to the point with the Mariah May Tony Stormangle not to say that I like all that stuff but it's a big deal for their fans it's not even about putting it on collision versus dynamite which is an issue it's about putting it on this collision knowing what

you're against head-to-head on free TV. Max Castor apparently has had a whole heel turn on collision. They once moved the ratings on dynamite that you claimed. So now, if you ever see them again on dynamite, it's over. They broken up, it's all happened.

You missed it. Because you have a... You have a life on Saturday. I mean, what the fuck? That's a AW collision. Is Matt, Max Castor, the new Sammy Guevara, did everybody love him until they actually kind of figured out what he's like personally and then suddenly nobody likes him? Well, I'm not exactly sure, but you know, one thing that he does that makes people like him is he makes music.

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getting great reviews. Some say better than the Iron Claw. We'll see what people have to say as it gets out there, but we had a chance to speak with one of your co-stars in the movie. Yes, and I would rank this movie from what I can tell so far up there right underneath the wrestler, the 1974 version of executive produced by Vern Ganya. That cannot be topped, but we're going to do the best we can. Body slam.

Body slam. Oh, come on. And Harry Smilak. I think we got body slam beat. Hey, wait till you see, May Young. in this flick. I'm telling you what. Woo-hoo. But anyhow, yes, we shot it here in Louisville.

Words never heard before. Wayne, do you see May Young in this flick? Woo-hoo. We shot it here in Louisville. We, I mean, you know, me and my production company. No, it was shot here in Louisville, Kentucky. I was a small cog in the wheel, as we've been talking about for the past week or two. And it is premiering now. We can officially

confirm, as I said at the top of, of the program, February the 25th, that's AMC Stony Brook Cinema here in Louisville, Kentucky. Big nice place over there. There's going to be premieres that we're going to be talking about as we get closer in Nashville and Chicago, New York, L.A. And then the widespread release, it hits everybody's neighborhood theater, March the 7th. If it doesn't hit your neighborhood theater, demand that you're, go stage a protest. Picket your neighborhood theater.

but we're going to be talking to a few people involved in the film and the first one today is a conversation that we recorded not long ago with the former NWA women's champion, Camille, who I first worked with in the NWA about five years ago when they started studio wrestling. I was there for a brief moment. And at the same time, we seem to feel like that we have seen Camille, Brian, somewhere else more recently, but there are some things

that she is not at liberty, as they say, to talk about in this interview, but others like the movie and her background and her general vivaciousness are fully available to be discussed, and that's what we did in this interview that we're about to play for the folks. And of course, I don't accept any of those rules. I'm going to get all the hard questions asked, then I'm going to get the answers. You do ask, you ask some pointed hard questions. That's right.

And you get some pointed hard answers back. Well, if all is okay with you, let's go to it now. You'll see that it's both pointy and hard. Here is Jim's conversation with Camille. All right, well, in anticipation of the debut, the premiere, the covering of the theaters in the United States of a moment, America with the brand new movie Queen of the Ring on the life of legendary wrestling champion Mildred Burke. We are talking to one of the stars of that movie today. And of course, I have a bit

part, but this young lady is one of the key figures, and she also happens to be one of the key figures in the wrestling business, none other than Camille. Camille, how are you? Thank you for being here. I am good. Good to talk to you, Jim. And I know people are going to say, well, how in the world did they meet on the movie? You and I work together for the first time on the ill-fated debut studio tapings of the NWA, ill-fated for me and Mr. Lekana, at least, back five years ago now. And we got to spend a couple days there together doing that shoot. And then you have gone on to make quite a name for yourself in a wrestling business.

And I've come home to make quite a name for myself at home here. But this movie really is a great opportunity for you because you kind of fit the part of June Byers. In terms of June Byers was, of course, one of the, that was the whole reason why that they, Billy Wolf had sent her after Mildred Burke. She was one of the biggest girls, one of the most physically dominating girls in the business at that time. And it's hard to find people with that look, and you sure do have it. How did the part come about? How did you land this big finish?

So the story of how I got this role is kind of crazy. I don't know if you remember I know of Taryn. Do you remember TNA? What? Yes. She was like the doll house in TNA. Yes. Well, she was working some with NWA at the time.

and I was just talking to her and I was like, I wonder, you know, what I can do when wrestling's over and all this stuff. And she has been doing like some stunt work and her husband's really big and like the stunt work industry as well. So she had texted me and this is when me and my husband were living in Tennessee. And she was like, hey, they're filming this movie in Louisville and they need some stunt people. Do you just want to send in your pictures? So, you know, I just take some phone pictures, send them in and forget about it. Like that's it.

And in between the time, I remember I got tagged in like Twitter and someone had tagged me and was like, Camille should have got this part because they had already casted for Queen of the Ring and the June buyer's role was already casted. And I was like, oh man, that would have been cool. I didn't even, you know, know about this project. So whatever, because again, Taryn didn't tell me what it was for or anything. So that was that. Fast forward a few months. and it's like 10 o'clock at night. Usually I'm in bed by then.

And she texted me and she was like, congrats, we're auditioning for the same role. And I said, I have, I text her back. I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about. And she was like, it's for that wrestling movie, Queen of the Ring there, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, wait, I thought that they already cast that. And she was like, well, WWE,

because it was a couple of WWE girls, pulled them at the last minute. And it was like the week before they were supposed to be shooting. Yeah, we're going to be talking to Ash Avildson. on one of these programs. And there's an interesting story behind that. I'm not sure whether it will be told or not, but we might land the scoop.

Right. I know, I smell what you're cooking, but so there was another shot at it. Yeah. And again, I didn't even, you know, I'm not an actress. I don't have any representation. I very much just kind of do my own thing.

And so I was like, I don't even know what you're talking about. I get an email the next day. They send me some slides or whatever, you know, it's called and they were like just film yourself doing these lines so i filmed it and i kind of i hope they're in my phone still because i bet it was the most corneest audition ever and um i get a call the next day they were like hey can you drive to louisville which it was only like a three-hour drive from where i was in tennessee and so i drive in and i go into ashe's office and it was the most awkward thing not because of ash i got along with ash great but just because i've never acted before

you know, I've never done this, and I just did my best. And one of the scenes that we did in his office was like a very serious scene, and it was weird. But I was driving home, and then they called, and they were like, hey, can you go over to the OVW building and just see, because we want to see what you look like with the actress that we have in there, right? Yeah, in a ring, right? In the ring, exactly.

So we drive over there. I meet all the girls. They're really nice. They take some pictures, some videos. some video and blah, blah, blah. And then pretty much, boom, I got the roll. Like, it was that fast. And it was funny because when you went into, like, their little headquarters or whatever,

you know, you see everybody with their headshots up there, like the professional headshots. I don't have a headshot. So they just put, like, a wrestling 8 by 10. Up there. You know, besides, like, Walton Goggins, Josh Lucas. It's like the weirdest thing ever. But, yeah.

Well, you know. And then we started shooting. Here's the thing. I think that probably it's turned out better because if there was a, let's say just, for example, if there had previously been somebody cast in that role that's been on television as themselves for 10 years and is typecast more or less in people's minds when they see so, well, that's so-and-so. Whereas this is your debut movie performance and you've been yourself on television, but, you know, be all being charitable you're not a household name yet you will be right so you got to really

play this part and it may have been better for the movie for the for the art of the whole thing you know like bob denver couldn't uh couldn't escape being gilligan anything he ever did on television after that he was typecast and you come in and boom and you're june and i i had the same reaction to ash when i said i've been doing it as 40 years i've never played somebody else. I've never done a scripted role and played a part, but, you know, when it's, you're the, one of the biggest physically dominant lady wrestlers in the field. That's kind of typecasting there in itself. Yeah. And I mean, it was, the look was a huge thing, because even Ash and, um, his, uh, fiance, you know, told me they were like, we really liked, um, Taryn's audition as well.

And I love Taryn. I'm so grateful. It wasn't her. I wouldn't have this role. Um, and, But she just physically looking beside Emily would have been too small. So like the look was really a big thing. And then since I've never acted before, Ash, and he might tell you about this when you guys talk, he did a really good job of like, I had the script. And I would read the lines to him. And if he was like, that doesn't sound right you saying it. He was like, how would you say that? And so I know not all directors do this, but he really let me say things how they would come out of my mouth naturally.

especially not having any acting training. I didn't have time to go get some acting training. So she was like, say it however you would say it. And it worked out for the best. I think, I don't know, he sent some article that the Hollywood reporter did. And apparently that put me over in it. And I guess that's a big thing. So I was like, I should just retire from acting now, though, because that's, you know, just go out on top.

Yeah. Do a Costanza. Thank you very much. You've been a wonderful audience. Yeah. One hit wonder there. you uh you did uh nail the part as we said of of june buyers but also the you mentioned doing stunt work is how this you know you kind of got led to this uh i don't want to break the Hollywood illusion but you did all your own stunts as we say in the business whereas there there were there were a couple of other ladies that you know every once in while somebody would step in but you were kind of, even with the Hollywood stunt people,

you were kind of having to play several different parts. You were an actor as June Byers. You were the June Byers stunt lady, and you would coordinate with the other stunt girls who weren't pro wrestlers what you were going to do so everybody was on the same page. So you were kind of integral that a couple of days we spent over at Actors' Theater for 12 hours in that ring.

Oh, but were you doing? I don't know. Were you there when I had flipped off ash in the bed? I may have been asleep over next to Dean Hill and Martin Cove. We were stuck at the announced desk. I know I thought you asleep. I know I caught you asleep backstage sometimes when we had the little like when they were changing the cameras and stuff. Yes. I said, I don't know how Jim is doing this. I said, I know Jim doesn't even like to leave the house. I don't know how he's right now. I took a couple of naps back there on the,

but yeah, but you had a lot on your plate with filling all of those services. Yes. And like, well, that was the thing that was funny about, because, you know,

Ash, he's a wrestling fan, of course, but, you know, he's never been a wrestler. So I remember, like,

we were on take. I don't, and you know that that last team took three days to film. I was like, I never thought, if anyone ever asked me with the longest match I'm ever going to beat, I'm going to say,

72 hours. Yeah, three days. But I remember, like, we were so tired. It was probably, I don't know what time, what hour we are on at this point and what camera different shot we were on. But he was like, okay, we just need one more, but we just need like your feet work or whatever. Like, we need to go through the motions.

So we were super just going through the motions because I was so overt at this point. And then he like came on the loudspeaker when I was like, well, well, we need a little bit more than that. And that's when I just flipped him off and everything. And I remember all of the extras started cheering. I remember that now. Okay. The footwork thing. Well, what if I'm going to be resting up top, but I'm tap dancing down below. Right. Right. But then afterwards, he was like, oh, I know, because I thought that, you know, there wasn't a lot of bumps and stuff. It was fine. I was like, it is not just the bumps that wears you out. It's the getting up. It's the getting down. It's me talking them through the whole thing. I was like, it's a lot. Okay.

But it was really cool, you know, especially like you said, even with the like professional stunt women, they're still, like you said, they're not trained professional wrestlers. So although they're willing to get in there and do like the physicality, they still are needing a lot of guidance. And, you know, I'm no grizzled vet by any means, but it was, I guess it was cool feeling like one. Well, and obviously for some of the main roles. they are professional actresses rather than trained wrestlers, although they did work out, as you mentioned, you know, quite a bit to get Emily who plays Mildred Burke and also May Young. I met May Young in the shuttle bus,

the first day that I was there as we were going over to the Penn Dennis Club and Francesca Eastwood, right? She is the daughter of Clint Eastwood. I know. I try not to mark out to her about her dad. Well, what was Clint Eastwood 72 when he had her to begin with? Because she, but, you know, she said, she introduced herself and she said, I'm playing May Young. And I said, and I just looked, I started laughing. And because I said, well, I knew May Young.

And she said, oh, really, do you think I'm doing her justice? And I said, do her justice. I think you're doing her charity. I said, May Young never, even in her younger days, never looked like that. Yeah, yeah. But they had to have some stunt people that looked remarkably similar to those actresses. And that's, you know, but they all did their best as well. And we're in, that's probably the first time they've taken a bump in a regulation wrestling ring.

Oh, yeah. I mean, like all the actresses, too, I'm pretty sure every single one at least took a bump, just, you know, to feel what it was like. And, and you mentioned Emily. I mean, Emily, I mean, you haven't seen the movie yet. Abby Jim? No. Wait a minute. Did they send you a VHS and I was left off the list? I will, I went to a couple of the, like, the festival screening. Oh, that's right. It has been, released to the, to the rich and famous folks at Aspen and things like that. Well, I, honestly, but I'm not going to even, whatever we see in even like Louisville when it premieres will probably

be even a little bit different because I guess the festival scene is kind of the, like, see, what is working, what's not working, and picks it up a little bit. Well, yes, and we're also Ashes in final edits on sound and audio this week. We're doing an interview with him around that schedule. But obviously, from the trailer, a lot of fans have been interested. People are, you know, excited about it. And as I said, besides the fact that I always tear these movies up because I'm a OCD historian and nobody looks like any of the people in the wrestling business

in any of these productions. Right. From all indications, they've made a darn fine flick here that is getting some attention, not from just the wrestling community, but from filmmaking. So maybe we got something here.

I think Emily, like, because she's naturally, like, she's not a huge girl by any means, but I remember when I walked into OVW that first day, even just to stay next to her. I was like, this chick's laser bigger than mine. I mean, she put on a lot of, really, she put on a lot of size. Like, she looked great. And when I saw her at the festival, and, you know, we made this in 2020,

summer of. So I haven't seen her in like a year and a half. And she still looks wonderful, but she was like, oh, no, I did not keep any of that muscle. She was like that. I did not want to keep that muscle too much. So, like, she really put in the work to, like, super hard diet, super hard training. So she took this role, like, very serious. And I think she's so good as Mildred.

You know, those are words that I've never uttered before. I don't want to keep all this muscle. I've never had medication. Well, you have obviously been training for a while. You didn't just, you know, pick up the weights day before yesterday. How did you? Who trained you? How did you get started the business to begin with?

Well, I played sports like my entire life. I have an older brother, so just a bit of a tomboy. And like my dad used to put dollar bills on on like door hinges and stuff, you know, not door hinges, but the top of doors. And like, so we practice our vertical jump and stuff. You know what I mean? Oh, okay. Carrot and a stick type of deal.

Yeah. So it's like we'd want to get that dollar bill. So we practice our vertical jumps. And, you know, just always little things like that. And then played sports. throughout high school, played Division I softball, tried to have a normal job. And I think when you're an athlete your whole life and you kind of try to go into an office, you're like, ugh, like this sucks.

And so I grew up watching wrestling with my dad, like attitude error stuff. But I never watched it thinking, oh, I want to be that. Because honestly, I don't know. I think girls my age kind of lie when they say that because I'm like, sure. you weren't watching the attitude era with like the sex celebration in the middle of the ring and the brawant matches thinking i want to do that when i'm older like i don't know that's weird that's just weird to me so i was not thinking that's what i was going to be when i was older um but yeah i went to an indie show um one time this is after i had you know graduated tried to do the whole professional job thing

and i don't know i just had this sort of epiphany and i was like oh my gosh i can be a professional wrestler. Like, it's a way to continue doing like athletic things. It just seems fun. Why not? So I didn't know. I'm from North Carolina, so you would think I knew somebody in wrestling, but I did not. And I just Googled how to become a professional wrestler and found the Dudley Boys school down in Florida. And, yeah, so I went to Devon and Bubba's school down in Kissimme. And I remember I drove up until I don't know what a wrestling school is like. I don't know to expect. I just talked to the guy that was helping run things a little bit on the phone, like as I'm driving down there. And he's like, yeah, it's attached to here, blah, blah, blah. I show up. And I think I just got played. Like, I think I sent them my deposit money. And I'm like,

where am I? Because it was in the back of a gym. And you could tell there was no sign. Well, there was no signage. And it like was an old massage parlor, but the sign had been taken down. And I was like, what in the heck? But no, sure enough, that's where the school was. Well, that's how you know if it's going to be a good school. Because, hey, the first OVW building years ago, the directions included turn off the paved road. So, but that's where, you know, Brock and Batista and Orton and everybody came from.

No, I tell you what, you're right about that. All of the really nice places I've been in and I won't say any names, I'm like, they don't teach you nothing there. Well, you know, speaking of nice places that you won't mention any names about. I'm thinking, I mentioned at the top of the, at the top of the interview that, you know, I first worked with you on those NWA tapings five years ago. And I'm thinking I've seen you with some promotion or on some television program since then. I'm trying hard to place it because, you know, and a lot of people think, Camille, now,

that I don't like women's wrestling. I'm just, it's with women's wrestling. It's kind of with me like men's wrestling. I don't like the bad stuff. I like people to be attractions and there is not to be overdone and people to look like the part that they are trying to play. And, you know, there are some places that fit those parameters and some that don't, some that, you know, require you to be friendly with somebody.

and it doesn't matter what you look like, but you can get on. But you wouldn't want to be involved in any of those places that would really more or less insist that you not talk about them in public, stuff like that, would you? You wouldn't want to be involved with it. I just do my best with everything handed to me my whole life. Like, you know, back of my sports days, if I didn't, you know, if I wanted to play right field instead of left field, but they put me in left field for the game, I made sure to not, you know, try to not make any.

errors and hit well. So that's kind of my mentality on any opportunities in life. And Brian, I know you've been sitting back absorbed in this conversation, but is there anything? Brian, Brian's here? What? Brian's here? It's been just such a scintillating conversation. I didn't even want to interrupt it. But I know that Brian was dying to ask you certain questions until we, you know, discovered some of the parameters on some things that you may or may not have been involved in. Let me ask a question, a hypothetical question,

if you will, Camille. Let's say I got a brand new car. Let's call it a Mercedes. And let's say that my Mercedes has a wig. And let's say I'm driving this wig-wearing Mercedes and it's just going all over the road and it seems to only do what it wants to do whether that's the way it's supposed to go or not.

So I guess my question is, How creepy is Dave Legana? Hey, you know what? I know that there was some controversy, obviously, with Jim and Dave. But, you know, let's call it the elephant in the room. But what I will say, and this is me, Dave was always wonderful to me. He was wonderful to my husband. And I think that he was a big reason that when the NWA did have,

its initial success, along with Jim being a part of it and on commentary, that he did do a very good job with production and doing like the behind-the-scenes videos and getting the stories together. So that's what I'll say about. Camille, you should. He was great to me. Camille, you should run for office. You are incredible. And unlike Jim, unlike Jim in Louisville, I wouldn't fall asleep around Mr.

Lugano. Well, if only, if only he was as good on the audio editing as he was good on the rest of the production. But Brian, so we got your question to answer. Well, one other question. Do you think it would be tough, Camille? I know you've been working for a while. Do you think it would be tough to wrestle in a wig? Like, that just seems like, how would you be comfortable working if there's something on you that at any point could be yanked off or fall off or who knows what could have, all sorts of mishaps?

Yeah. No, I actually, hey, I give a lot of props to people that can wrestle in wigs. One, I don't know if you've ever worn one in your spare time, but they can be very hot. So, you know, you get hot in the ring. And that's one thing to it. And then like you said, too, I would just be so worried about it the whole time. I guess you would have to invest in some very prestigious, you know, wistners. Yeah, and apparatuses.

As a matter of fact, I think that that might be the hottest thing about some people is their wig. I think it's cool to change up your looks. As a woman, you know, sometimes we like to change it up and it's a nice, cool way to change it up. So I get people that can wrestle with a lot of props. I can't even wrestle with any frontal part out because I don't want to be worried about any of that happening. So props to anyone that can do any of that. Have you taken any driving lessons since the mishap where you almost murdered Chris Statlander driving into her, trying to drive into her? I'm not even sure.

Did you intentionally not hit her because you're a good person? No, no, no. How did that work? Hold on. I'm not going to allow her to actually admit to attempting to commit Philoius assault here on the program. That's a bunch of crap. That's a bunch of crap. Was there somewhat in the car with you that put their foot on the accelerator right at the last moment that you'd like to blame?

Well, I think that, you know, I was told I had to do that a little bit last minute, but I'm a team player and I had heels on. Once again, Brian, don't know if you've ever worn heels in your spare time. Only in my spare time when I had my wig on. Well, see, I didn't want to say anything, but it can be hard to drive with heels on. So I'll take the L on that one. I might have messed up, but I am blaming the heels. You know what? That's a great

That's a great thing It's always blame the heels In the wrestling business The baby faces get away Without a single mark anyway But back to the movie It's my I'm only a cameo

A bit player in this masterpiece It's it's Jim Jim Jim I got to put you over real quick I do have to put you over real quick You add a line And I don't know if you remember it It's a line

at the very end of that match. And that was the most tongue-twisting, craziest line. When I got to pop, right? Well, well, I know. So I think, I think, and I got to apologize to you, Jim. I think I think I jigs you. Because I remember, I looked over to Tyler Posey, and I said, because he was like, this got, because, I mean, you won't take offense.

These guys don't know a lot about wrestling. You are a new figure to some of these people. He was like, this guy's great, you know, so you got put over by Taliposi. And I said, oh my gosh, I was like, I don't know how he's standing that line without messing up. It's so hard. And then the next shot was the one where you flip it a little bit. But yeah, that was good. I paused.

I just told this story on the last podcast that Brian and I did. I paused because I realized I was about to screw it up. And I just said, ah, shit. Yeah. And the place blew. Yeah, that was good. I just kept that in the movie. I thought, actually, that would be the end.

They'd send me back to, you know, Summerstock and a star, would not be born, but we got by with it. But no, but this is, this movie is, you are the, one of the major participants in this thing, so it's a great way to make a debut. And we are, we're trying to nail down all of the information we can publicly give. There's going to be premieres at the end of February in a couple of different cities, including one near and dear to my heart and possibly one near and dear to you. and then general release comes the first week of March.

It's going to be in a bunch of theaters. But any final closing thought of your experiences shooting with Queen of the Ring? Yes. Oh, I forgot to mention just a little, this is a little sentimental part. That was really cool. While we were filming, I was the current NWA women's world champion. And while we were filming, I actually surpassed. June Byers'

rain record and moved into the top five title reigns of all time. So it was pretty cool. Like it was a really like fate-filled time. It was really cool. That is tremendous.

And you know that I think I was, I mentioned to you, I know, I was telling a couple of the young ladies. It was backstage that Louisville, Kentucky, there's, the rumor has been for years

that Mildred Burke and Elvirus Snodgrass drew 18,000 people. in Louisville and I'd always shot that down because there was no there's no place to draw that many people in 1941. But then we found out it was a three-match series at the Louisville Gardens and they drew

a combined 18,000 people which makes sense and this movie was shot literally two blocks in part away from where Mildred Burke had actually performed some of the hotel where she actually stayed they did some of the shooting

the seal back you know that's a lot of Louisville looks like it got stuck in 1940 but that was lucky for the film yes it looked so great for the movie like the movie looks so good especially I mean to me something over a million dollars

is a huge budget because I'm just you know I'm just me that sounds like a lot of money but I guess it was a low a low budget and and I think they did an amazing job with the budget so yeah I'm I'm very excited for everybody to see the film. I'm also going to go ahead and claim that I think our wrestling

keys are better than Iron Claws, so putting that out there now. And, well, having seen the Iron Claw, at least, the film, and then seeing you guys up close, I guarantee you, you guys were taking bigger bumps. But anyway. It's cool. Well, Camille, wherever you land on major television next, we will be watching with great anticipation

to see what's going to go. If you bother with it anymore, because once the movie hits, you know, Hollywood will be be beckoning and then you might be fighting Maria Ripley in a Hollywood major motion picture in a couple of years. You guys are on the same trajectory. I am down whatever God puts in my lap, I will take it.

All righty. Anyway, Brian, I forgot to ask if you have any closing comments for Camille before we let her go and get back to her day. Camille, what kind of music do you like? Oh, come on now. Don't do this. She'll never do this show again if you run her off with that. He's always trying to.

Unless she loves music, she'll be back next week. He's always playing with his organ, and people don't want to see that. Hey, an organ, well, I was going to say, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, I like, gospel music and stuff. So, you know, what a little church organ? Why not? That's what I'm known for. I play a lot of gospel music.

There you go. See, it works out. Oh, God. Folks, we'll be right back with more. Don't miss Queen of the Ring when it comes to a theater near you. Bye. All right, we have returned. The Good Time Gospel Hour here.

And we are here. And we have arrived. We have arrived. I'm thinking the more that I think about Camille, what a talent she is, I'm thinking that maybe she could be brought in as a bodyguard. to some mid-level girl heel that's not really getting over and be a source of heat for that

that person that's a failure in their spot and she could be like the, you know, the diesel, the Kevin Nash of the situation and just lay waste to everybody. Maybe that would be a way to introduce her and get her over to the public. Whatever keeps her away from the wheel of the car after what she tried to do to that, poor Chris Stalander.

Poor innocent Chris Stalander, just doing nothing. in the back, but somebody tries to hit her with a car. She never claimed to be an accomplished driver. Some people just can't pick that up. No, but you know what? There's probably something here that would involve a wager about messing up booking.

There's probably something here to be said about the odds of someone who messes up the most basic of booking, messing up even more. there is a chance that we should look at the chances do you get my drift there's a chance that maybe you can stagger into a segue

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And you will listen. Draft Kings. Don't be a pig. All right. Well, let's get away from the truffle pig and let's truffle on here on the show. Truffling along. Let's get to some questions. Jim, this was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Mac in Cankey,

Canicky, Illinois. Oh, come on now. You don't mean to tell me that you've never heard of Cancacie, Illinois. I've never heard of it before in my life. Oh, for fuck's sake. All right. Well, I apologize. How do you know it?

It's Cancay, Illinois. What is it known for? Who's known, who's from there? It's known for being called Cancacie, Illinois. How can you overlook a fucking. uniquely named All-American City like Cancacie, Illinois. Well, here's Max question. Canna Canapes, Illinois.

I have been seeing an influx of the word burial every time a wrestler loses a match. Would you mind clarifying the definition of a burial and give us an example of same? Also have fun pronouncing my town's name. All right. Well, we accomplished that. already. This is another of those words or terms

that, yes, it was used in the wrestling business, but since the internet and everybody thinks they're smart and then the people got smart on the internet, open wrestling schools, and they start newsletters, and now a 30 second backstage promo is an angle.

And all the terms become prostituted or morphed into something else or misused or misapplied or whatever. So I will attempt to tell you what it is supposed to mean. And it's not hard to figure. I mean, tell me, Brian, because I've been in and around wrestling and the business and the people in it for so long,

it's still, if you went out on the street and were talking to normal civilian people that didn't have anything to do with wrestling, and you said something like, oh, I told my wife that I was out with you last night, Ben, and we went to get a couple of beers, but I was really screwing around. But then, son of a bitch, the girl called on the phone and buried me. That would make sense, right?

Maybe not. No, I mean, it would make sense. I don't know how often that's used in conversation. Well, I mean, anything. But it makes sense, yes. When something buries you, you know, it buried me. when so-and-so said something right out in front of the person I was trying to fucking sweet talk or whatever. You know, anytime that something is presented to the public that is bad about you,

that causes you to lose stature in people's eyes or be embarrassed or whatever, oh, it buried me. And just doing a job in and of itself. is not a burial. You're burying that guy because you made him lose a match. Now some of the guys in the territory days may have said, oh, fuck,

and then they made me put so-and-so over and it buried me. Well, that's their opinion. But a literal burial is when, for one reason or another, a guy had gotten so much heat with the booker or the promoter or the office or, you know, it just

was a fucking issue of some kind and got in somebody's, fucking bonnet that they would say fuck him and not only give him his two week notice but fucking beat his shit out of him on a way out bury him make him look like an idiot that that would be a purposeful burial and an accidental burial would be somebody as you see more of today coming up with an idea that either

they shouldn't have done it or they didn't do it the way that they were thinking they were going to do it and it came out and it buried the fucking guy made him look like an idiot or made him look weak or made him look like he couldn't whip anybody. And go back to what I was saying earlier in the program when you've got baby faces that you expect

to draw in the main events on top, you can't bury them, you can't make them look weak and ineffective and stupid or like they brought it on themselves or they're completely fucked up. Because then that buries your baby face. He's buried under the ground. He's dead. You've killed his drawing

power. Or you can bury a heel by him never being effective and never winning. Remember when MJF was supposed to be the most dastardly human being on the world and everybody started out smarting him? That's when you bury a heel. But just doing a job or somebody getting off a zinger in a promo or whatever now, the kids will say, oh, he buried him. No, it's

more extensive than that. You need to really again by on purpose or by complete ignorance you need to really have a guy do a series of stupid things and that makes him look like he can't do anything right.

But that's a burial. But what about booking burials? Those are a bit different. Well, yeah, well, I mean, they're all booking burials. Again, it's just on purpose or it's by accident. You know, you're still booking it. Oh, we think this will be great. It ended up. Stone cold, switching heel and hugging Vince McMahon. That was a booking burial,

but nobody intended it, but it killed much of the business. Is Hunter Hurst-Helmsley's punishment period that, or is that, was he still treated too good for it to be that kind of thing? No, they knew they weren't going to bury him and get rid of him completely and run him off with a stick. They just were going to punish him and then come back to it later on if it worked out that way. a sure thing they were, you know, anything could have happened in that six months or a year or whatever. But they were, you know, just we can't, we can't let this go by unpunished or unnoticed or unaddressed, but we hope we'll still get something out of this guy in the future. All right, Jim, let's go to our next question.

This was sent via the cult of Cornette Facebook group by DeWan Bennett, in-ring work, who was better, Jack Briscoe or Nick Bockwinkle? Oh, Nick Bokwinkle. Really? I'm surprised you went to that so quickly, but explain. Well, because Jack Briscoe, Jack Briscoe, was the gold standard for the NWA world champion at the time, and he and Dory Fung Jr. That was the flare and steamboat of 10 years previous. But Bokwinkle,

Bachwinkle's actually underrated and somewhat overlooked these days because he spent so much time with Vern and so much time with the AWA and the world title in the AWA that, you know, people think of the NWA champions because of the romance. I got to be honest with you, Jack Briscoe was not only a NCAA champion,

which Bokwinkle was not an amateur at any high level and would never say that he was, whereas Briscoe was an NCAA champion. But to me, except for that brief little run where he and Jerry were heels in the Carolinas, in the early 80s, Jack was always a baby face and his style fit that much. better. I don't know. Bach Winkle to me was more of a complete

in-ring package in that the heel body language and the flamboyance of the movement that he had, where he you know, just even the little things that he could come off as looking down his nose at people and he was very haughty and he had that aura about him as well as being an incredible worker, just an incredible worker. So

I like Jack from a standpoint of having a really great classic scientific match with Dory Jr. or even having one of his great baby face performances against a top heel in defense of the NWA World title, but Bach Winkle

for at least 15 years straight and maybe before that we didn't get to see him in Georgia in the late 60s because the stuff doesn't survive. He was among the very top workers in in ring workers in the business anywhere in any organization.

I just, you know, I think he was more well-rounded and could do everything. He could baby face if he wanted to, but he didn't need to. Does that shock you, Brian Lass? No, I mean, I love the stuff where Jack and Jerry are heels in 83 and then they're actually great as baby faces briefly in the WWF in 84 before Jack Lee.

and apparently the plan was that they were going to turn heel and feud with Wyndham and Rotunda. So that would have been amazing. Yeah. Just because one great guy might be a little bit greater than the other great guy, it doesn't mean that everybody ain't great. Or wait a minute, it doesn't mean that everybody ain't great. And again, Jerry Briscoe was great on his own,

but it makes you wonder how different things could have been if at some point in the 70s all of a sudden Jack Briscoe was a heel, with Jerry either wrestling or just as his mouthpiece because Jerry's tough but he was a little smaller than Jack and he would do all the talking if you remember those promos in Mid-Atlantic Jerry did all the talking and Jerry was great and Jack just had to like slightly turn to the camera and smirk that's all he did and it worked

and that's another thing is I know they said in ring but Nick's promos compared to Jack Briscoes especially as a baby face world champion Um, yeah. So anyway, I just, I liked watching, I liked watching both of them, but I really enjoyed Bach Winkle. And boy, what, he could do everything. He could do everything.

All right, let's go to another question. Jim, this was sent to corny drythru at gmail.com from DJ in Toronto. Hi, Jim and Brian. your month by month midnight express retrospectives led me into a rabbit hole where I am now... Hopefully he was able to get out without the fire department where I am now trying to watch as much wrestling

from January 1984 as possible. I've done this. The TV during the week of January 7th, 1984 was obviously a big week for you guys but it was also a big week for me and Jean or so it would seem because he is on both episodes of WWF wrestling and AWA

Is there a story behind that or am I being led astray by YouTubers sticking arbitrary dates on their stuff? Thank you. So again, I guess... January 7th, 84 is the date. There would have been overlap, wouldn't there? Because Vern taped a lot of stuff in advance,

especially of his local promos. We don't know what. particular segments in these shows that he's talking about. But, and that would be right after Christmas and New Year's. So I would, and Hogan went to Japan and what, Thanksgiving, is Shady Three and was supposed to come back to the AWA, but instead was in the garden at Christmas time, right? He was in the garden a little bit after that, but he was in St. Louis at Christmas time.

That's right. But point being, since the thing with Gene happened about the same time, I bet you that Vern had taped weeks' worth, and this was the bone of contention, that Hogan no-showed a bunch of shows in the AWA he was supposed to come back for. So the local promos with Gene hosting were taped like four or five weeks out. And they were playing, and that's another knock on the AWA that people were.

registered was that even when they knew Hogan wasn't coming back, they didn't change the promos because they were all fuck. This guy's fucking us. But if we change the interviews, then we'll fuck ourselves because people won't buy a ticket. Will this many ask for a refund? If they're already there, as they will, it just won't come and we're going to play the fucking interviews. So, Gene would have still been on the AWA television show in some

fashion right about the time that he started in the WWF, which was at the start of 84. So yes, it did and probably did. We haven't seen it, but it, and that's the excuse for how it happened. Anything you would have dealt with it if you were Vern or any promoter and you had Hogan and all of a sudden he starts ghosting you and he does all these promos and again, YD did a bunch of promos for Mid-South stuff. Mean Gene was the person who did all the local promos for the AA So everything with Hogan was mean Gene

Everything with everyone was Me Gene Yeah All of a sudden that's just pulled off your show And it's directly against you And some of those AWA towns That's the first place Vince McMahon tried to buy the TV Out from the promoter that was there So

How do you think you would have dealt with that If all of a sudden you build up these big shows around the holidays And the biggest star you have which is the most exciting star you've had in years is just gone. Well, now you know why so many of the old-time promoters threaten to kill each other. And, you know, because either you're going to jump out a window

or you're going to try to throw the fucking guy that's put you in that position out the window, one of the other, what else you're going to do? And that's why many people were at Vince's throats and there was discussion of, you know, whether can we make Junior go away? That was discussed by some of the promoters. But I mean, I've had that happen on a smaller level when, you know, a couple times in Smoky Mountain, I advertised, well, at one time for Thanksgiving, Abdullah the Butcher, who was more than happy to agree to come and until suddenly Japan called and offered him the Thanksgiving week.

And he took that and didn't come, you know, but that's what I got Dick Murdoch to come in and take his place. and we explained it, it was part of the package show. But to have a guy that's drawing that amount of money and at the time the amount of shows that they were running in the AWA every night of the week in these major buildings, oh, gee, it ended up, you know, cost them tens and tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars probably.

And again, looking at this specific question, if you're a promoter and for years the face of your show doesn't necessarily do commentary, but in terms of every interview, every local promo for every local market is Gene O'Kerland, and he's a character. He's not just generic announcer guy holding a microphone.

He becomes a popular figure. Does that hurt almost as much as Hogan in terms of the way the people locally will perceive the new show coming into town? Well, yes, because the announcer that had been there for that long, wrestlers come and go and even though

there had not been direct opposition to the AWA like that people knew the wrestlers come and go and work for other organizations and they read it in the magazines or whatever but the announcer was like your guy the hometown

you know when Lance Russell was not able to come to the new Memphis show when Jarrett split off from Goulas for six weeks because he had to work out his notice with the other station it killed the show. People are what the fuck because it was disorienting

and they weren't used to it. If you had an announcer that you know was just one of five or six guys in the company or was, you know, hadn't been there that long, that might be one thing. But when you had, you know, the guy that had been really associated

with the program and with all of the stars and for so long and he's gone and on the other side, that, that hurt. heard it, gave them credibility. And the local fans would, you know, is okay, well, you know, fuck, we usually like the AWA, but there's Gene and, yeah, Hogan's there. And then when they got Mad Dog Vashon and the Crusher, well, that was it.

You know, this footage that the WWE put on one of their commercial tapes early on, it's like Mad Dog Vashon's debut in St. Paul, I think. And the fans, I don't think a lot of the fans knew he was going to be there. So those are people who grew up on AWA, now going to these WWF shows. And out comes Mad Dogg Vichat. They lose their shit. Yeah. And then he goes in there and has just a really bad,

his opponent kind of suck, but it was really bad. Well, because he was 60. Mad Dog was 60 by that point. He fucking, wasn't he in the 48 Olympics? Yeah, something like that. This was in 1984, so do the math. But, and that's what I'm, I've always talked about. There were bigger stars in wrestling.

in the territory days that you never really got to see. And Mad Dog Vashon never wrestled in Louisville, Kentucky. But he was one of the biggest stars, one of the biggest draws, one of the biggest names in the business for decades. But if you ask somebody in Louisville, if they hadn't read a wrestling magazine, they wouldn't have the first fucking clue who you were even talking about. So that's how you could always bring.

bring new wrestlers into a territory and make new stars for your fans because there was always somebody they had never seen. And now, you know, you see everybody and you see them from the point where they're just starting out and they're greener than goose shit

and they can't grab their ass with both hands and then it's harder to get into it after that. All right, Jim, our next question sent via the Colta Cornette Facebook group by Jim Vote. A rising contributor to the group, apparently, it says here. Jim appeared in MTW for Gary, I always get this name wrong, Warrencheck. Warancheck.

Warancheck in the early 90s. I was a kid in those crowds watching Bruiser Bredlil, watching Bruezer Bredlum? I can't read. Watching Bruiser Bedlam rough up the sound man when he played the Mr. Clean theme. Any memories, any fond memories of that appearance? or others in Detroit and Michigan. Well, at the time, Gary Waronchek was a long-time wrestling fan,

but at that time he was operating MTV was Midwest Territorial Wrestling. And he was doing shows in and around the Detroit area. And Gary would later on to become a politician, and I think was he in the House of Representatives in Michigan? I, you know, he reached a high level. I don't want to quote where he was at, because it might be wrong. we were in Smoky Mountain Wrestling, the bodies, Rock and Roll Express and I,

and he wanted to, because Gary was obviously being a fan, also he traded tapes and everything, and the people in Michigan knew the Rocker Roll Express, and he had a small dedicated fan base there that was kind of smart to the tape trading and watching other programs, so he called and asked if he could book the bodies and the Rocker's,

rock and roll and we had been on Survivor Series at that point. So could he book the bodies to rock and roll and I had to come up and do his shows? And we did two in a row on a weekend. And Gary's very easy promoter to work for and had good shows going on. But that's

where I saw Johnny K-9, who would later become bruiser bedlam. Because he was living in Ontario. at that point, Windsor, and working independent shows around the area and I said, how the fuck

has this guy never been anywhere with that look and as I talked to him and what the personality and heard some of the statistics, what he could bench press and things he could do. And that's where, you know, I made contact with him. I said, I'm going to bring you to fucking Knoxville

and we created the gimmick and boom. But besides two more, matches with the Rock and Roll Express to add to the canon of Cornett's teams against the rock and roll, I got to be honest, I don't remember any funny stories about the buildings we were in or any of the happenings of those events, just that that's where, you know, I found Bruiser. Do you remember that spot where the sound guy would play Mr. Queens music? No, that is.

Thankfully, I don't think I saw that, or maybe it would have turned me off. to fucking bruiser. What is Mr. Clean's music? I mean, the commercial is Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean. Well, I assume that's what Mr. Clean, Mr. Clay. He didn't look like Mr. Clean. He looked like Alibaba. Cut somebody's head off with a fucking saber.

But it's only two seconds. How do you play that to the point where it riles him up that he goes and chokes out the sound guy, but. I don't. Well, and we got to remember the letter writer was also a small child. That's right. Well, those are the memories that make wrestling fans, the commentator getting killed by a murderer

Let's go to another question here Jim This one was sent Via the Colta Cornette Facebook group by Mark Pankott Jim lost to Joe Hendry At the Burger Eating Competition And labeled him a freak of nature back then Yes What's his view of Joe now

In TNA and the NXT crossover and does he see him in NXT slash WWEE permanently well Brian how do we break it to the folks and we might even be breaking it to Joe Hendry if he's a listener of the program I haven't seen any of that

I haven't seen any what we watch is what we review here on the program and if if I didn't have a wife and a dog and have to support myself and eat and sleep I could watch all the other shows.

From meeting Joe back then and doing that bit of business with him and seeing what he was doing then, I saw he had a lot of potential and talent, and I've seen the social media frenzy over him where he's apparently done all this shit to get his name out there and done a wonderful job of getting himself

over, but I have not actually seen any of this. Should we watch something just to say we did? What, if we were, if you and I were going to watch The Royal Rumble? Is he going to be in the Rumble? I don't know, I'm just guessing.

He might be calling right now. My phone is ringing over my shoulder, but no, maybe the fans could say, okay, Brian and Jim, if you got 15 minutes, here's what you need to watch of Joe Hendry to get the idea of what's going on with Joe Henry these days. We would be open to doing that. Yeah, I just know the one thing that clip of him like turning around, which always makes me laugh because it reminds me of that Lindsay Buckingham video.

What is it? It's trouble where it opens. And every, like, every member of the band that's playing in the video, turn around dramatically? Do do, do, do. Think I'm in trouble. Well, Joe's not in trouble. He's getting over. But, and he does his own music.

He's a musical genius as well. So we just hadn't had time to investigate that. All right. Well, let's get another question here, Jim. This one was sent via the Cult of Cornett Facebook group by Alfred Persard, Jr., What now? What? Hope I got that right, Alfred. Alfred? Alfred, what? Alfred Buzzard.

Alfred Parsard, Jr. Parzard? So, somebody thought that name was a name you should use twice. Will you leave him alone? What is your problem? Well, it's just, it's ridiculous. And his dad, why don't you leave him alone too? Well, his dad's one has started the whole thing. Well, here's Alfred's question.

Has Jim ever worked with Al Perez? Also, did he think, had star potential and if so why didn't he achieve bigger things in the business oh boy uh yes i did remember al prez was in well he worked for it was crockett right still right before dusty was booking it was 88 it was right before tbs bought the company did he make it till after the tbs purchase or was he already gone by then i can't remember he was with gary hart as his manager gary hart was his manager he was a really good looking guy he had a good body and he could work

and he could talk a bit it's just that you know nothing was outstanding in a I mean they used him on top in Texas and in a regional territory Florida in the day he could have got over

but he wasn't of the level of flare or the horseman or the top guys in Crockett promotions at the time. He had a good body and he looked good. Gary Hart is his manager as a heel. He could be kind of a narcissistic Lex Lugar type, but

I just don't think there was anything about his promos or his matches or, you know, whatever, that really stood out except that he was completely convinced that he was and should be the greatest wrestler in the world and the world heavyweight champion.

Is the Rick Flair story true? I'm trying to remember what, didn't he? Heck, he refused to job the Rick Flores. He said, you have to really beat me? Well, I couldn't remember whether it was that or whether that he quit or stood him up at one

point over, he thought they should put the belt on him. That may have been the bone of contention of why that he left. I can't remember. Either he said, well, if you don't put the belt on me, I'm leaving, or they said, well, what the fuck, shut the fuck up and just go away. But yeah,

he thought he, and and Flair, was willing to work with anybody. But my God, it just, you know, when you got this guy that Al Perez on a national basis didn't really ever do anything for anybody. They didn't trip anybody's trigger, but he was convinced that he was, you know, the best in the world. And I think that's what prevented him from going any further because he was so convinced

that he should be farther ahead than what he was. And it seemed like for a while he was on a trajectory to go somewhere because he was an 85, him and Wendell Cooley were tag champions in Mid-South getting over as a young baby face. Yeah. Although tough position post-rock and roll express, but they did as good as you could in the summer of 85. But it showed people wanted to do stuff with him because he looked good

and he had the potential and he, you know, was athletic and had the physique. but the attitude was not, he was convinced that he was the biggest star in a business. And then in 87 or so, I think, 87, he's in world class with Gary Hart. And that's right before he gets to the NWA and he's with Gary Hart.

And then Gary goes to Muda, I guess, right after he leaves. And that was a trade-up because instantly, Muda got over. So, and I'm not saying, you know, it was because of Gary, but you've got a guy with Gary Hart is his manager and he don't get over where shit

and then suddenly he got a guy with Gary Hart as his manager and everybody's over. What's the change in the fucking you know equation? Jim, another question from the Colta Cornette Facebook group, this by Joseph Till. Where did Ricky Morton get those

big panties that he was clowning Rick Flair with? Oh, oh, on the on TBS. On TBS. On 85. Oh, probably a flea-marked. it may have been 86.

May have been 86. That's what made me he stopped myself. Because coming up on the bashed, because Flair had cut the promos that, well, you know, Riggie Moore to Rocket Roll Express, all the little teenage girls in their training bras are just gaga over you guys, but whoo, the horsemen get the ladies.

You know, and trying to make Ricky and Roberts seem like the teeny bopper idols, which they were, and trying to insult Ricky and Robert's audience, which he was and you know fucking say that oh it's just a bunch of little girls

that like you guys where when they grow up to be women that's when they like the horsemen so then as I recall Ricky brought out some granny panties and say yeah here's here's an example of your women's drawers and it was something like a 70 year old woman would wear

uh it just at that point in time those guys none of us came to TV expecting to have somebody hand us a script for an interview. And it didn't take place, and we would have scoffed at it if it did. So a lot of times guys would see something at a store on a side of the road,

or some of the fans would give them something, or they'd have an idea. I brought props right, left, and center, Spencer's gifts, posters, and fucking goofy wigs and Sunday. glasses, whatever. But you'd see something. You'd say, grab that, I'm making, do something with it on TV,

and then it's in your bag, and you got two and a half or three minutes when you get to TV. They say, yeah, two minutes. Talk about the Rock and Roll Express and the big matches in Cleveland on the 31st. So I'll make something out of all that. I got some props. Same thing Ricky was doing, same thing a lot of guys would do. Make it different by making something out of what was like.

playing around. All right, well, that sums that up. And of course, perhaps all those miles on the road looking for props or whatever they could find in a convenience store. But let's now go, Jim, to the final portion of the show. Obviously, that means it's time for guests to program. Oh, that's how it was obvious to me. It smacked me right in the face.

Well, this is the game where I smack you in the face with wrestling history and you smack us back with your knowledge of wrestling history. We go through programs in my collection, and we give you the card, we being me. It is me, hello. Yes. Have I explained any of this? No. You're going to read me a lineup from one of your programs, and I, in my borderline mystical way,

I'm going to give you the year and the location of that event. That is correct. Let's go to this first one here. the first bout 30 minutes Jack Umberto versus Pat O'Hara The second bout 30 minutes

Ernie Ducek versus Harry Fields Oh good Lord The third bout 30 minutes Charlie Strack versus Memmette Yous Can you give me a spell

on Strack? St.R. A-C-K. Mimit Youssef. Y-O-U-S-O-U-F. The fourth bout, 30 minutes. George Zaharius versus Vic Christie. Good Lord.

The fifth bout, 30 minutes. Joe Malkowitz versus Joe Sevaldi. And the wind-up, one fall to a finish. Jim Landis versus Everett Marshall. Oh, good Lord. All right.

Your Londas fascination has led you to get a pioneer program. Pat O'Hara was a fairly well-known journeyman wrestler back in the 30s and 40s, as I believe. Ernie Dusick, obviously a member of the Dirtyman. Ducek's the Riot Squad, Ernie Emo, Emo, oh my God, Ernie, Emo, Rudy, and who was the other one? Captain Frank. No.

Frank, but Frank was an offspring of Wally Dusick. A fantasy land. Well, Wally Dusick was not necessarily a Ducig, but neither was Danny Dusick. But nevertheless, who was the other Dusick? Ernie Eamel, Rudy, and Liza.

I'm going to flank. Oh, never mind. I don't remember. George Zaharius was married to Babe Diedrickson. Vic Christie. Vic and Ted Christie were a brother team and combination and noted rippers.

Joe Malkowitz, he was still wrestling. He would later on become the promoter in San Francisco that Roy Shire would go in and unseat, am I correct? Joe Savoli was Angelo Savaldi's brother. What? Was he not?

I, I, you mean Angela Savaldi from WWWF, Angela Savaldi? For the originals, the original Angelo Savoldi. They were not related? No, relate. The Savaldis were not Savaldis. Well, God, David. The original jumping Joe Savaldi is no relation to the Joe Savaldi that was in Mid-South in 84.

I thought that Joe Savoldy that was in Mid-South in 1984 was the son of the original jump in Joe Sevoldi. That's what I thought, but I thought that Joe Sevolty was related to Angelosovo Sevaldi. Joe Sevaldi in Mid-South was the son of Angelo-Savaldi, I believe. The brother of Mario Covely... What do you want the son of Joe Sevoldi? No, because I don't think Sevaldi's their real name. Well, God damn it, somebody's lying.

And anyway... Everett Marshall was a former world champion. Did Thess beat him for his first world title? Did he not? And of course, everybody knows who Jim Landoes is, but the question is, when and where was this? I'm feeling the West Coast because of Christie and Zaharius and Malkowitz. And it would be a major market to have a Londos martial world title match.

an area of time God damn we're looking at are we looking at late 30s or early 40s 1938 in San Francisco all right there were a couple numbers there that are right

Friday February 9th 1934 ah son of a Convention Hall, Philadelphia. Philadelphia. Promotion Ray Fabiani, Inc. Son of a bitch.

There is an image on the back of this program that's fascinating. I wouldn't have thought Vic Christie was working in 1934, but go ahead. After all is said and done, and then it's a drawing, I'm going to make a copy of the sentence to you. It's the scale of justice, I guess, and the person holding it up, it says, honesty, Fabiani. And then on the side that's going up, it says Jack Pfeffer, weener, as another person, hot air, and on the other side is the press, the Pena Commission, the wrestler, the referee, the sportsman, the sports writers, public opinion, and wrestling is in the background. So obviously this is in the middle of Jack Pfeffer's war with every promoter that wasn't Jack Pfeffer.

Yes, it was. All right. Well, that's the first program. And I bombed on that one. All right. Let's get another one here. That's, these are, those are so hard to pin down blind. That's true.

The first match, Larry Lane versus Tom Pritchard. Okay. The second encounter, Buck Robly versus sweet brown sugar. The next bout. Bruiser Brody versus Moon Mulligan. There's a name you don't hear too often anymore. Moon Mulligan.

The main event, a tag team match. Tully Blanchard and Gino Hernandez versus Terry and Dory Funk Jr. All righty. Well, as soon as you said Larry Lane, I said, what part of Texas is this going to be? and Tom Pritchard spent time in San Antonio Buck Robly

noted Mid-South Booker and Colonel Buckley Christopher Yellowbelly Buck Robly was at various points in the Mid-South and Texas territories a top heel or a top baby face he could work and he could talk he looked like complete dog shit

but he was friends with Brody and could get Brody to do things other people couldn't and sweet brown sugar would have been Skip Young Brody obviously speaks for himself who was Moon Mulligan is there a picture there's not a picture I remember him I'm not going to say anything else because it may be a giveaway

but I remember who it is from videotapes son of them anyway and Tully and Gino of course were the they were the flare and Valentine of Southwest Wrestling and Terry and Dory probably came in to put them over because of their relationship with Joe Blanchard, tell his father, who was the San Antonio promoter.

And the Funks would do business with a lot of the other territories in Texas. Remember when we were talking about that American tag team title belt that was being auctioned in Heritage, we said that Terry and Dory were the ones that came into Dallas to put Kevin and Derry. David Von Erick over in the initial championship match. So it would be a team of world-class stature that put the new champions over. Point being, this is the San Antonio territory.

But four matches for a Cardin, San Antonio seems a little light unless this was one of the down periods. And from what I remember about Tom's earlier career, and is this what else what other town would be running in San Antonio

well fuck it San Antonio 1881 the date November 21st 1981 8 p.m. start time Lubbock

Texas Lubbock all right then so that's what they were they were running opposite was that a funk card

or were they running opposite to the funks was it the other way around. Did Tully and Gino come in from San Antonio to put Dorian Terry over? Well, again, by this point, it says Nick Roberts promoter, which it had for a long time on this program. Okay, so that that was, then that was the Dallas office and the Lubbock promotion, so it was not Southwest. Well, no, it's Southwest though, because I mean, Nick Roberts was getting talent from them then. Yeah, I mean, that's what it is because you asked

me about Moon Mulligan. I remember him when I first, the first footage I ever saw of Southwest Championship Wrestling was Moon Mulligan. It was Moon Mulligan. It was. all these guys, Dick Slater, Tom Pritchard. Well, then by the time that we got there in late 1984, early 1985, Nick Roberts had split off Lubbock and Amarillo from the Southwest office and then and was getting talent from Fritz and Dallas. Well, there you go. Well, you got the year.

I got the year. I got the state. Got the state. This next one here, I've got to be a little delicate with it. the opening bout one fall 30 minute time limit Jack Welch versus Chris Averot Wait a minute

A-V-E-R-O-T-T I think it should Isn't it Averoff? Oh, I don't know I think they misspelled it. It should be Averroff, but go ahead. Let's blame the office, whatever they sent in. Charlie Keen versus Ramon Torres

in a no time limit masks at stake, masks being pluralized here, the bat versus Al Torres. Well, I assume he's wearing a mask, because it says masks are at stake. Finally, the main event, a return grudge match, winner take all, no disqualification, masks at stake, Jack Welch, one of two referees, best two out of three falls, the Medics versus Pat O'Connor

and Jackie Fargo. And the mass at stake, I think, was probably a misprint because both main events had masks at stake. So in the single match with the bat, is what I'm trying to say to you. Um Well, I'm, I'm, go ahead

No, no, no, I'll wait to have to you guess because I just saw something on the cover that is, okay, go ahead. Well, Jack Welch was the, the youngest, well, I don't know if he was the youngest, but he, Roy Welch, Herb Welch, Lester Welch, and Jack Welch were the four Welch brothers, and Jack was the one who wrestled really the least and was the least well-known and remembered. Charlie Keene was an old-time southern heel in Tennessee territory

in, you know, probably anywhere from the 40s to 50s through the early 60s. Al and Raymond Torres were, at least if it's the ones I'm thinking about, were Hispanic baby faces of the 60s. I can't remember who the bat was

in the Nick Goulis territory. Goulis Welch Territory, and the Medics versus Pat O'Connor and Jackie Fargo, I'm going to go with Memphis, Tennessee in 1964. The date? Tuesday, September 11th, 1962. Ah! Nashville, Tennessee. Nashville, not Memphis. Okay. The bat weighing 260 pounds will make his first appearance in the capital city this Tuesday night. With the mask at stake?

Matched against the popular Al Torres who made his debut here two weeks ago. Teamed with his brother Raymond in a tag team bout. Nashville promoters Nick Goulis and Roy Welch have announced the bat will put his mask at stake Tuesday night in a no-time-limit event. And what happened to Alberto Torres? Alberto Torres was Ox Baker. Yep. Well, he wasn't Ox Baker.

He became Ox Baker, ladies and gentlemen. No, Alberto Torres was the wrestler who died a couple of days after his last match with Ox Baker, and along with Ray Gunkel, Baker took credit for it with the heart punch, but it was a ruptured appendix or something like that. See your favorite wrestlers in action? WSIX TV, Channel 8, Saturday 10. Yes, yeah, in Nashville, the call letters for Channel 8 were WSIX

because they early on in television, back in the early 50s, they had moved to get a stronger signal, but they still had the same call letters. And Pat O'Connor was teaming up with Jackie Fargo because for no other reason than Nick, being the NWA, you know, aficionado that he was, always wanted to, you know,

juice up the relationship with the St. Louis office, and that's where O'Connor was working at the time. Here's Ruth's Comic Corner for a comedy definition, send me your work. Alimony. I don't know what to say. Allimony. A man's cash surrender value to a system by which one pays for the mistake of two.

bald-headed man One who has less hair to comb But more face to wash Bearback Nudest on horses Always ride bearback Baving beauties A girl worth waiting for

And Worth waiting for Oh you know what That's right waiting for. And finally, payments, the easiest way for a driver to lose control of a car is forget to make the payment. That was Ruth's Comedy Corner. Thank you, Ruth. Let's get one more program here, at least one more. Yeah. Oh, and then I dropped the other ones. I got to hit a home run here. Let's get this, uh, this is an interesting one. Let me be delicate with it. Let me turn it over.

All right. The opening bout. By the way, the first bout in the ring at 8.30 p.m., says here. Opening bout, Kit Fox, New Mexico, versus Jock Bernard, Canada. George Hackenshmidt. A special bout. Midget Australian tag team bout.

Tiny Row and fuzzy Cupid versus Sunny Boy Cassidy. and Pee-Wee James. The semi-final, Steve Crusher Casey, Ireland, versus Manuel Cortez, East Boston.

An elimination test? I don't know what that means. Yukon-Erick, Alaska versus Golden Terror, two question marks. And the main bout, the world's heavyweight championship, Don E.

Eagle, Mohawk Indian champion versus Mr. Rex, mystery challenger. Hoke dokey. Oh, wow. Kit Fox was a top Indian star in the 50s. Tiny Row, Fuzzy Cupid, Sunny Boy, Casti, and Pee-Wee James were the, pretty much the first round of midget wrestlers in the business, right? Fuzzy Cupid was the guy. He was the attraction at that time.

Yeah, and as I read this, it made me think, maybe you would know. When did Sky Lolo like enter the picture? Because he became the face of midget wrestling for a lot of people for a number of years. Yes, he was, what, late 50s, early, I mean, he started before that, but when he would have taken over as the recognized top midget would have been about that time.

Fuzzy Cupid was around a little while beforehand. Steve Casey was used as Paul. Bowser's world champion in Boston when Boston was a, you know, its own promotion and they drew huge crowds up there and ran Boston weekly in the 40s and 50s, even before television. Three weeks they'd go to the Boston Arena and the fourth they'd go to the Boston Garden. Yukon Eric, obviously fucking big baby face from the, the Great White North that lost his ear to Killer Kowowski, the gold.

and terror, don't know in this instance. Don Eagle was another great Indian star of the 50s, and is the one who got double-crossed by Gorgeous George, right, in that world title match in Chicago. He is one of those people in the argument for the biggest stars for a period of time that are almost completely forgotten. Yeah. I never hear them brought up, but I hear he's the build as the World Heavyweight Champion.

Yeah, and at that time he was on the cover of the... early 50s magazines, the nationwide national newsstand magazines, Don Eagle. So this... And he was all over early TV, out of Chicago. And that's why I was...

Boy, I want to say, because of Steve Casey and Yukon, Eric, and Don Eagle, I want to say this is Boston. And also, I believe Fuzzy Cupid... Sky Lolo was French Canadian. They were based out of Montreal. I think Fuzzy Cupid may have been the same. But at the same time,

Is this a swerve? Is this one of those you know, early Chicago fucking, but no, I'm going to say Boston in 19,

and I ought to know this because I have an incredible Paul Bowser program collection that our buddy Sheldon Goldberg hooked me up with that half or more of the programs from 1946 through 1952. But is this

the Boston 1951 Well this is a good one to end on Jim The All-Star wrestling event Boston Arena Okay Thursday

June 21st 1951 Holy shit So you actually We're ending today on this Because you got a home run But there's a few interesting things in here Great job by the way

Let's really commend you Well thank you Thank you very much Thank you very much This I find interesting So this is 1951. There's a little ad here because it's almost newspaper style. Don Eagle novelties and photos.

And it has the prices. Boy T-shirts, sizes $4 to $14, $1. Leather belts, size 22 to $32, $1. Don Eagle Eagel Evershard pencil, $1. Indian dolls, prints or prints. Princess, 250. Indian Warbonnet, 250. Scarfs, a dollar.

Vests, 50 cents. Hankees, 35 cents. Photos black and white, 25 cents. Photos colored. 35 cents. Send to Golden Eagle Company. 302 South Market Street, Chicago, 6, Illinois. Exclusive distributors of Don Eagle Photos,

and novelties, send check, cash, or money order, no COD, please. Add 10 cents for mailing. Do the kids even know what COD is? They don't do that anymore, do they? When was the last time you heard that on TV or anything? I don't think so. Yeah, collect on delivery. You could order it, and they would send it by the post office,

telling the post office you need to collect $6.45 or whatever, and they would actually pay the post person and then they'd give them the thing and they'd put the money back in the deal. It was insane. But in terms of early merch, I mean, Don Eagle, he is one of those guys from that era.

There's very few. You know, Gene Stanley obviously was all over that stuff. Yeah. But merchandising themselves. And, I mean, he had pencils. He had shirts. He had belts and vests and scarves. Well, and think about this.

At 1951, it's the same year that the, maybe the year after the Lone Ranger came on television. There's Tont. and westerns are starting to be a big deal on TV and the Indian get up and outfit had the feathers and the color and the war drums and it was it was fucking pageantry

it was unique and exotic for the average person in Boston or Chicago or wherever to see this full Native American regalia going on let's get a few other things here here's a quote about Don Eagle versus Mr. Rex. Here's a quote from Don Eagle. Who's this Mr. Rex?

Well, my father has an inkling because his father was his manager, remember? Yeah. And he's building me up accordingly. He has watched him and he thinks he has a trick or two up his sleeve that can turn the balance wheel in my favor.

That's why I need to know. If Dad has the solution or thinks he has, all I have to do, to carry out his orders. But I'm not taking this guy lightly. To me, he's every bit as dangerous

as Argentina Raqa or any other. So we don't know who Mr. Rex is. There's not a picture here, but the headline... And that was some kind of local angle that they were running with probably some, you know,

identifiable veteran under a mask or whatever. Fans may discover identity of Mr. Rex. There's a terrific guessing game going on now to try and guess the correct name of the wrestler masquerading as Mr. Rex. Some fans are willing to bet their eye teeth. Their eye teeth?

What the fuck does that mean? Do you know what that means? Well, I mean, you know what eye teeth are. What are eye teeth? That's an old expression. The ones in the back of your mouth, Coma Cornette, you say, oh, my tongue lopped over my eye teeth, and I couldn't see what I was saying.

I never heard them called that before, no. But does that mean that someone is a dentist or someone who had bit someone, or that's a clue of some kind, but we don't know what's going on? Some fans are willing to bet their eye teeth that Mr. Rex is none other than Stan Dusick, one of the famed rioting Dusicks who were familiar figures in these parts. Well, he's not the one with, no, there was no goddamn

original Dusick named Stan Dusick. Still other fans are just as sure he is Fritz Schnabel of Hartford, Connecticut in real life. And still others have guessed that he is Paul Lorty, the French Canadian wrestler, who appeared here several times. And those are names that have been heard of at that point in time in the business. Oddly enough, both Dusick and Schnabel are members of wrestling families. Oddly enough And so the guessing game goes on

Who is Mr. Rex? There is a good possibility that we may know the answer come Thursday night And will Mr. Rex pride ever be shattered When he is finally forced To pull the hood off his face

Fans are reminded however That Mr. Rex has stipulated That he will not remove the hood If he loses on a disqualification He must be beaten in the ring. Yeah. Take it from Mr. Rex, here's a quote.

It's no easy job traveling around this country and trying to keep your identity a secret. Whenever he comes to a city to wrestle, he is forced to spend practically all of his time cooped up in his hotel room. He dare not go outside his room

for fear someone will spot him and recognize him. Accordingly, he usually has his meal sent to his room where he eats them by his lonesome. It's no easy matter Keeping his identity a secret And Mr. Rex

May be just as relieved as anyone When he is finally beaten And able to walk And able to walk around the avenues again Without hiding from everyone Well there it is There's another headline Nambi Pambi guys out in wrestling

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