Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 380: Jim Reviews AEW Grand Slam Australia

Episode Date: February 22, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews AEW Grand Slam Australia! Also, Jim answers YOUR questions about his WWE return, better names than Cope, Gary Hart, WWE ID titles, the Batten Twins, Peel's Pal...ace, and much more! Plus From The Files: Mildred Burke, and Jim plays WWE trademarked name or porn star?  Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:18 Hello again, friends! It's my show you get the extended cut, and you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive-Thru right here on another cold winter's day. I'm your host, the Great Brian Last. We're going to have fun. We're going to talk about a voyage to Australia,
Starting point is 00:00:38 and more fun with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett. That was the Inagada de Vida. version, a little iron butterfly there at the top of the program. Brian, the bouncing ball of bad luck is now in your court over the last day or so.
Starting point is 00:01:01 We got back on schedule from things that have been going on here, and so it wasn't nice for you to fool with Mother Nature. And you're apparently just, I think it was maybe just your residence there. I don't know if the rest of the eastern seaboard caught the apparently not only you've had the snow you've had the ice now you had high winds
Starting point is 00:01:22 power down your you know it seems like a man as business-minded as you and looking ahead with a forethought to the future would not have purchased a palatial home with your generator sitting on the other side of your broadcast station so are you back plugged into the goddamn governmental grid at this point now
Starting point is 00:01:48 You know what? The power was on and off because of the windstorms. It's been very dangerous. Stay safe, ladies and gentlemen. But beyond that... Yes, if you're out in a windstorm trying to get a sun tan or whatever, stay safe. Beyond that, there was a period of time yesterday when we were supposed to record when we had full power, no generator.
Starting point is 00:02:09 It came back. And I'm like, oh, my God. I almost feel like I should call Jim and say, all right, let's do it anyway, even though like we're five minutes behind schedule, and then the internet went out. I was like, all right, we can't win. Can't win today. It'll be tomorrow with more of this.
Starting point is 00:02:26 No, no, no, no more. No mas. Well, down here, down south, where it's sunny and balmy, I mentioned on one of the shows we did here lately that Stace's mother and stepfather have finally moved here, the plan move they made from California to the worst winter that the state of Kentucky has had in 25 years. We've had more snow, more rain, more flooding.
Starting point is 00:03:02 And they've stepped off the plane and they've seen almost a daily barrage of snow at some point of the day or night. They don't know what they're waking up to when they look out the window and now, and we're trying to ferry them back and forth so that they can unpack things at their apartment while they've still got the hotel room and they've got a day or two of that, we're supposed to get another three or four inches of snow.
Starting point is 00:03:26 So they've, they still love the place if they could see it for all the fucking snow on top of it. But that's been an adventure here for the past few days also. This should be a fun next several years, the Jim Cornett in-law years. all new characters. It's like the ropers left and all of a sudden Mr. Furley has shown up.
Starting point is 00:03:48 New characters for a new season of Corkett. We've introduced an whole new cast of characters. What was it? What happened with the fucking Doris Day show at one point? She may have had a mental breakdown. I recall she was a successful career woman in a city working in a workplace of some kind and suddenly I remember she was on a farm with children.
Starting point is 00:04:15 I don't know anything about the Doris Day Show. It was before your time, but Kay Sarah, Sarah. I may have been watching something on one of the other networks when the Doris Day Show was on if I was allowed that show. Well, I think it may have followed Mr. Ed, so I was just naturally flowing in. Yeah, but she was on the farm with children, and I should get one of my books down,
Starting point is 00:04:39 but I'd have to disconnect myself from this, fucking set of headphones that you insisted the Arcadian Vanguard Network supplied headphones here that not only squeeze my head and hurt my ears, but also now there's something going on in the cord intermittently. I can
Starting point is 00:04:55 hear myself back just a half a beat, as the musicians say later on, and I don't know if it's me talking to me or you talking to me. I'm hearing voices in my head. They talk to me. I don't think this is a Brian
Starting point is 00:05:11 issue. Where's the technical wizard, Hodgkiss? The guy you're always saying, oh, he invented this, oh, he invented that. Tell him to fix whatever's going on over there. No, he didn't manufacture these. He's not getting into these. It'll void the factory warranty. He's going to drive him back to the factory
Starting point is 00:05:27 at fucking Shanghai. But he's coming over on Friday, and we're going to get to the root of some of these things also, just so that you're aware of that. And he'll have more fingers of blame to point in the proper direction. We'll get on top of some of these audio things and we'll stop Jim's garage from ever opening again.
Starting point is 00:05:47 Well, it's, I'm, you know, I'm way away from it, but it's, it's, I got to get one of those new silent openers. Oh, that can't be real. Well, Stacy, Stacy's going out in the, in the four-wheel drive to pick up the, the folks for lunch while I'm here talking to the people. All right, it's going to be like you're on the road with Midnight Express again. Meals nonstop driving around town. hanging out with your new team. Yeah, I don't know if I'd put them up against hawk and animal. But this is your program, correct? Can I just ask politely here if we can address something that I've just seen again?
Starting point is 00:06:29 You told me about it yesterday, but then I've seen it on Twitter again that some Cretanist capitalist tried purely for mercenary financial gain, put out the story with the headline update on Jim Cornett's return to WWE. I actually have an article right here. That was going to be the first topic, first question I asked you. Well, I see great minds think alike,
Starting point is 00:06:59 and that makes me scared about my own now. But go ahead then. Don't give these people any credit, but just let's tell the people what the story is so that we can laugh together. I'm not even sure who to not give credit to. Again, a lot of the listeners started emailing this and tagging us in different things with it.
Starting point is 00:07:17 The article I have is from a website that's referencing something that was said on another website. But we don't know exactly what they said. So without giving any credit to any of these people, sorry. Jim Cornett-WE return update. Amid continued announcements of the 2025 W.W.E. Hall of Fame inductees, questions regarding Jim Cornett's status with WWE came up.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Jim Cornett is a name currently missing from the Hall of Fame, despite many names within the industry, including Stone Cold Steve Austin, pushing for him to be inducted. And by the way, this was like, he said this on a podcast or tweeted at one of the other, or maybe it was a tweet with a quote from a podcast, whatever the case, like a couple years ago, right?
Starting point is 00:08:14 This is not like he's engaging in an ongoing flag-waving campaign and going out getting signatures on petitions that he's demanding something. This was a comment that he made, and I appreciate sentiment. This is not new, is what I'm saying, basically, on Steve's part. What I remember seeing was, I think, a tweet from Steve Austin saying that you and the Midnight Express should be in the... the Hall of Fame, and I think the Rock may have quote tweeted it and said, like, I agree.
Starting point is 00:08:43 That was my favorite stuff ever. Well, see, I was trying to also mend the bridge between the Rock and Austin after their many in-ring showdowns. They can come to common ground on how the magnitude of me. So again, we don't know how this came up, but I'll continue here. I will give credit for where this came from, because maybe then we'll get an answer on some of this. Regarding a possible WWE return for Cornett,
Starting point is 00:09:10 Fightful Select reports that his name hasn't come up in creative discussions in recent years, recent years being a quote. The report specifies that this isn't in a quote, we aren't bringing him in way just that the belief within the company
Starting point is 00:09:30 is that Cornett is successful and content with his current projects. Cornett hosts two weekly podcasts, a drive-thru and the experience, in which he reviews WW and AEW shows, as well as discussing topical news from around the industry. Topical. Always topical. Cornett was on hand in 2017
Starting point is 00:09:51 to induct a rock and roll express into the WWE Hall of Fame, but hasn't made any appearances for the company since then. During the WWE Thunderdome shows... Wait a bit, except for the constant... reuse of video sit-down interviews that I shot 10 years ago to where I was still popping up on A&E last year. But I did sign the release. No, I'm kidding.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Go ahead. Stephen P. New will not be hearing about this. During the WW Thunderdome shows in the pandemic, a collection of band fan signs and images emerged that featured Cornett's face logo. There have been two members of the WWE Hall of Fame class. Well, that way, that's because they didn't want me to be selling any t-shirts
Starting point is 00:10:36 as I was out-selling some of their own talent. There have been two members of the W.W.E Hall of Fame class at 2025 announced thus far, Triple H and Michelle McCool. You know, if I had only
Starting point is 00:10:53 married into the Hall of Fame, think about it. So far, everybody announced for this year's Hall of Fame is a spouse of somebody. Well, there is a rumor that going in this year, and we'll see, because they just signed Legends deals ending years of bad feelings between WWE and Bill Eady, but demolition, which from a
Starting point is 00:11:17 WWE end is a major omission in the Hall of Fame. For kids who grew up who were my age, they were the biggest thing. There you go. There's the tag team then, and, you know, now that they've mended that fence or whatever, but point being back to this story, so the update was, there is no update because nobody's talking on either side to anybody about anything. But they had to stick my name in the headline, Brian. See, that's the question. Did Fightful Select, like, was it a Q&A show
Starting point is 00:11:46 where they were answering questions from my subscribers? And then this guy, whoever wrote this, I don't even think, does there a name? There's a name. It's a woman. Amanda Savage. Did she... Well, wait a minute. It might be a way, it might be a nom de plume. Think of Amanda Savage. That could kind of be a fucking ring name.
Starting point is 00:12:08 Okay, look, we don't know who this person is, but did they just hear the fightful select thing and go, hey, there's a headline that isn't right there? It's about Coronet. We'll get some clicks. Update on his return. There's no update. Back after this.
Starting point is 00:12:24 And again, it's, you know, it's also, it's nice that the company appears to have a better grip on basically what I think our relationship is than many of the fans do. Like, oh, he's mad they won't bring him back, or how they're trying to bring him back, or all this other gaga speculation, as the Dream Machine would say, you know, they're happy doing their thing and I'm happy doing my thing. And I'm happy that they're happy, except if they start trying to do my thing.
Starting point is 00:13:01 then I'd have to do something about that. And you'd have some help. The idea that Fightful went to their WWE source and was told that, you know, however that was originally phrased, they believe you were successful and content with your current projects. Do you think a lot of that is the idea that what that really means is he has no incentive
Starting point is 00:13:24 to sign one of our one-of-hour one-way legends deals? Well, I... And we're not putting anyone in the Hall of Fame unless they sign one? And, well, is that a rule these days now? There's a new administration. I'm in all honesty. I would like some feedback from some of the little birds that sometimes tweet in our ears. As far as if you do go in the Hall of Fame still to this day,
Starting point is 00:13:49 do you have to sign a contract giving any kind of rights to the company for your name and likeness for any period of time or obligating you to do certain things? or whatever, what are the deals that's being done these days? I'd like to hear that. The first question that I asked him for the 2017 Hall of Fame to induct the Rocker Roll Express was, oh, and what was the fucking guy's name? Talor Relations guy, they fired him, a garbage bag was involved. Oh, what was his name?
Starting point is 00:14:23 God damn it. Was it Seaman? Was it Canyon Seaman? No, I never met, oh, man. Mr. Seaman? I never met Mr. Seaman, but I, God damn, when I heard about it, I popped and I always wanted to just to see what he looked like. But anyway, Mark Carrano, does that name sound familiar? Yeah. Is that a mechanic at my fucking local Valvillian?
Starting point is 00:14:50 I think that's it. Okay, well, anyway, I asked him, I said, I'm inducting these, is there any contractual commitment? passed the one-night appearance and signing release for any footage or whatever that I do, the work that I do to be released on an ongoing basis, but there's no other commitment. He said, no, you're fine. I said, okay. So that's what my deal was. But I don't know what they're doing with the inductees these days.
Starting point is 00:15:23 I think that's part of the issue, why they know there's an issue, because they want guys there's no WWE legend that does the business you do, respectfully of everyone. You know, Rick Flair can find some sucker to, you know, say, hey, we'll slap your name on this jar of pickles or whatever the fuck they're doing. Don't malign these people called them suckers. Some of them might be Egyptians. No, but I'm saying your business doesn't rely on hoping you find an angel. Your business relies on you actually have a business unlike a lot of people. That's why you're not in a position that a lot of veterans are in where they kind of have to say yes to anything. I think that's part of the issue with WWE because they don't have leverage over you.
Starting point is 00:16:04 Well, God damn it, that crowbar, I'll tell you what, up the ass. Now, thank you for, you know, giving a more self-aggrandizing estimate of my current popularity and tremendous success than I would have been able to do myself. And as a matter of fact, I didn't know I could type that quick where I could send it right to you. You could read it right off. but that again for guys who have gotten older that they can't wrestle anymore whether the pandemic cut down autograph sessions or the just point is they've had health issues or whatever i think that those type of legends deals are great if they could give those people them i think for you know uh the guys like whoever the big names are, the main event inductees, they're probably negotiated somewhat separately
Starting point is 00:17:06 and they still have the chance to do their own things or whatever the fuck. But I don't want, as I've said for what, about five years or more now. I don't want to be obligated to anybody to do anything that I don't want to do except me. I make myself do things I don't want to do all the fucking time. But I don't want to be obligated to do anything for anybody,
Starting point is 00:17:32 and therefore I don't want anybody to be obligated to pay me money for anything that I might not want to fucking do. And I do my own thing, and we do our own thing, and we own things, and we play with our own things, and leave other people's things alone. And they should keep their hands off my things. Did I make myself clear about this whole thing? I believe so.
Starting point is 00:17:56 Once again, ladies and gentlemen, all audio issues will be fixed in the future. Oh, God damn it. I moved again. Here, here, I'm moving this cord around now, and I bet you... It wasn't that. It wasn't that.
Starting point is 00:18:09 That wasn't it. It was a simple issue, but I need the brain surgeon Hodgkiss to show up first. What I was going to say is, if I was W.W.E. and I was trying to play it smart, if I want you in the Hall of Fame, I'm waiting until they do the WrestleMania in Indianapolis,
Starting point is 00:18:25 because it's close enough. I can convince you to drive. I'll drive to Indianapolis. I'm not agreeing to go in, but I would potentially drive to Indianapolis. See, at least there there'd be a connection to Jim Cornett. Like, you wouldn't want it to be like, you're going to be in the Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:18:43 We're inducting you in Omaha. Like, there's no connection at all to Jim Cornett. There's a connection with Indianapolis, Indianapolis wrestling. Technically, that is the first wrestling I ever saw. That story, which we won't go into again, because it's been told so many times, but yes, so, and also the home of Bobby Heenan, my spiritual mentor as a child and all that.
Starting point is 00:19:09 So, yes, there's a connection there. But what, what quota slot would I be fulfilling in the, on the list? Do they have a category for blind people? people? Ex-fat male managers? They do, but it's not called that. But technically, if you look at who's in there, they may have. You may be in some good company. Well, I don't know about the ex-fat.
Starting point is 00:19:40 I may be on a hill all by myself. Maybe they don't have to put you in. Maybe they can get around it. They could just give you the Warrior Award. Only if Patty Smith plays me to the ring. They got rid of that. They got rid of the Warrior Award. They got rid of Mrs. Warrior, too, but.
Starting point is 00:19:56 Well, that's the update on the update on Jim Cornett's WW return. Stay tuned. We'll tell you more next week about his AEW return. Well, news, exclusive news next week here on this show about Jim Cornett's AEW return. Stay tuned for that. Hey, Jim, you're going back to AEW? No. Well, again, we don't want to play spoiler.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Next week on the show, we'll talk about this. Jim, before we get to talking about A.W's excursion to Australia. you, I have a list of names that WWE has trademarked. Also, I have pulled up a list of porn star names. I'm wondering if you can guess or figure out which are the porn stars and which are the new NXT, I presume NXT wrestlers. Oh, God, now, are these the classic porn stars, the, the Desiree Cousteaus, the Lonnie Sanders, is, the Sikas.
Starting point is 00:20:58 The ones you would know, no. The ones I would know, the Kelly Richards. None of the, is this, this is just women. I have to find some men name, too. Men name. Well, you can't really tell. You have to find some men's names, some men names. I was going to say, I don't think any of these people.
Starting point is 00:21:14 You can't tell a difference these days in the terms of the name, nameology. I don't know how many of these people have actually been on film. What is a Caden? Caden. Caden. I don't know. A male or female name?
Starting point is 00:21:29 I think it could be both, technically. Well, see, there you go. All right, well, let me give you a name. Tell me, is this a WW trademark name or a porn star? A Bella Danger. A Bella Danger. That's got to be a porn star. Why?
Starting point is 00:21:49 Well, because she's probably working for Wicked Video with the last name Danger, doing a fucking subgenre of a fucking fetish line. Well, you're right, it is a porn star. I don't know if wicked video is even still around, but that is a porn star name. Here's another one. Sweetie Fox. Sweetie Fox, that's got to be a WWE name.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Sweetie Fox is a porn actress. Oh, God damn it. Apparently she was in the series. I assume series that says 2021 to 2022. Let's try anal. She was, oh, is that a question you're asking? to me or the next that's the series of films
Starting point is 00:22:26 that's apparently the series of films that's sweetie oh oh I think well she had that breakthrough role in Rebecca does Donnybrook farm
Starting point is 00:22:37 Jim Hayes Jameson okay that's got to be a porn star because that's a take off of say it again now Hayes
Starting point is 00:22:50 Jameson Jenna Hayes and Jenna Jameson, right? I know Jenna Jameson. I don't know Jenna Hayes. That's a porn star. I think she wasn't it?
Starting point is 00:22:59 She's not on my list. She's not on my list here. I've heard that fucking name. All right. Well, Hayes Jameson will soon be coming to a WWE arena near you. In some fashion. They've trademarked the name. Jim, another name.
Starting point is 00:23:14 Porn star or future WWE superstar. Mason Holiday. That's a WWE name. There's nothing second. about that. That is indeed a W-W-E trademark name Mason spelled with a Y
Starting point is 00:23:31 M-A-S-Y-N Mason Holiday. No, if you'd have told me that, I would have said porn star, see, you gotta be... The spelling matters, okay. If you can't, if you can't partake the, or transfer or impart, is what I'm trying to say,
Starting point is 00:23:47 the full weirdness of the spelling of the name because a lot of porn stars likewise. They like to put Y's in all consonants. They like dinner at the Y. They're all over the Y. Well, Chip, let me ask you another name.
Starting point is 00:24:03 What about Dr.o Nox? And I'll spell it for you. D-R-A-K-O-K-O-K-N-O-X. Could that be? That's got to be a W-W-E name, and he's going to be like fucking Gunther's ex-General. You are right.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I thought you would have picked porn name for that. No, that sounds too, much like a foreign wrestling menace. All right, Jim, what about the name Mia Malkova? This could go either way. I could see, I'm sorry, I'm just, that was an unintended pun. You hear him licking his lips over there. What's going on?
Starting point is 00:24:44 Yeah, I just took a sip of sprite because I'm getting, I'm getting dry. I got to have to wet my whistle there, son. It could go either way because that could be one of these goofy wrestling names, or it could be, you know, a headliner in Italian porn with Malco? Or would that be more of a Russian type of sounding name? I don't think it's Italian. Porn star. That is indeed a porn star. Boom, I'm doing pretty good at this. It says here she's an actress, producer, and director.
Starting point is 00:25:19 So she's a triple threat. Jim Chantel Monroe. Oh, that sounds porny. Shantel Monroe Yeah, Sean tell Yeah, that's gotta be a poor name Coming soon to N-X-T Chantel Monroe What about Aria
Starting point is 00:25:44 Bennett? Spelled A-R-I-A Like an opera, Aria Uh, that sounds like an NXT type of name. That is indeed an NXT type of name. What about Natasha Nice? Oh, okay, now see,
Starting point is 00:26:10 now we're going back to one of those subgenre fetish, up the anal protrusion of the door type of thing. That's got to be a, she's got to be like, with the last name of nice she's going to be six feet six and 200 pounds and all jacked up and carrying a big fucking club So what are you saying?
Starting point is 00:26:33 In a porn movie In a porn movie she... Okay well actually it is a porn star An actress, writer and director It says here she's tiny 5 foot 2 but extremely cute Busty and curvaciously brunette
Starting point is 00:26:47 A knockout She was born in France But moved to California she lost a virginity at 17 why said it in her fucking bio That's a job communication Oh
Starting point is 00:27:01 get a Can we have the list of her references on that resume Braxton Cole Porn star or wrestler Braxton Cole That sounds like another
Starting point is 00:27:14 NXT type of But that's got to be a guy done it Braxton Wasn't there a Braxton A wrestling Braxton I'm not to think there was a Tony Braxton
Starting point is 00:27:24 but what about a wrestling Braxton? I don't know. I have no idea. But that is indeed a wrestler. That is a wrestler. What about Tate Wilder? Jeez,
Starting point is 00:27:36 that sounds more like a fucking insurance adjuster, doesn't it? Oh, hold on, I'm, I don't have a coin to flip. I don't have a coin to my name to flip. It's a fucking porn star.
Starting point is 00:27:52 Tate Wilder is a WWE trademark name. What about Blake Blossom? She's got to be the new star of the DVD series Jugs. I'm saying old Blake Blossom is doing the big bosom line for
Starting point is 00:28:17 potentially vivid or whoever's still in business these days. Well again, Blake could be a guy's name too, but you are right, apparently. It is an actress, director and producer, star of the 2022 porno film, An Honest Man. Oh, boy, that's a thing to turn on on the marquee at the adult cinema.
Starting point is 00:28:41 What the fuck is a porno movie, an honest man? Which one of these stands out? I'm going to read you the list of some of the porn names we're here real quick and the movies they're in. Which one stands out? Blake Blossom, an honest man. Brandy Love, The Candidate. Autumn Falls, drive,
Starting point is 00:29:01 Lena Paul, sleepless nights, Skyler Vox, load lovers, 2021. Jim Summer Sorrell, porn star or future WWE superstar. And by the way, I want to go back to, I'd like to meet Autumn Falls just to shake her hand for coming up with that one. That was, as, bravo, bravo, young lady of, of, of, of, whatever moral virtue you may possess. What did you just ask me?
Starting point is 00:29:35 Summer Sorrel. Summer Sorrell. And I'm not going to say that you should assume anyone's a boy or girl because we shouldn't make that assumption while playing the game. Well, I would think that summer would be a young lady. Like, you know, summer. What was there, there was a summer in wrestling. There were quite a few summers in wrestling.
Starting point is 00:29:58 Summer sounds like a girl to me. Oh, she's got to be an NXT girl lady. Well, apparently she will be. Again, these are names. We don't know if any people have actually been applied to any of these names just yet. Wait a minute. You mean they're just trademarking names before they even see a person to stick it on? That's right.
Starting point is 00:30:20 I think what they do is they tell the wrestlers to come up with some ideas for names, and then they sit down with them and they look over all these shitty names because no one has a gimmick. It's just names that people are concocting or going to. to AI to come up with. WWE agrees and says, hey, that one you came up was pretty good.
Starting point is 00:30:35 We'll trademark that and we'll own that just in case this works out. And that's how this happens. Trill London. T-R-I-L. Trill London. That's...
Starting point is 00:30:53 Why would that be either of these things? What in the world? D-N-X-T. Once again, you got it. NXT. Because it's too stupid for porn. Well, I think we've, have we gone through the...
Starting point is 00:31:11 They have a higher standard. Now, when it comes to tickling your taint and getting the general saluted and everything, all those metaphors. Osiris Griffin. That's a porn star. That's a future NXT star. I was just, I was missing that on purpose. All right, let's end with this name here.
Starting point is 00:31:36 Harley Riggins. Well, one would assume that they would stay away from Harley in wrestling right now and because of the reputation of the legendary Mr. Race as well as the big bosomed ventriloquist. It's currently... So that's got to be, that's got to be. a porn star. Harley Riggins coming soon to NXT or WWE or something.
Starting point is 00:32:07 Oh, Harley Riggins. So real quick, let me read you the list of names they've trademarked, and we'll end with a question about him. Osiris Griffin, Hayes Jameson, Trill London, Harley Riggins, Summer Sarell, Jacks Presley,
Starting point is 00:32:23 Mason Holiday, Draco Knox, or Draco Knox, Tate Wilder, Brexton Cole, Chantel Monroe, and Aria Bennett. The WWE still in this post-Vince era,
Starting point is 00:32:41 we assume, in this post-Vince era, is giving guys an NXT, and again, I'm assuming none of these are indie guys. I'm assuming these are like the people they're finding from scratch and developing. Yeah. They're giving them the stupidest,
Starting point is 00:32:56 fakes-sounding names. And if any of these people have any sort of legitimate athletic background, which I think is what they're going after, stop changing their names unless it's just an awful name, unless it's like, you know, Ken Raper. Even if they do have to change their names, because maybe they don't care that this guy was the champion Polvalter
Starting point is 00:33:15 in the history of fucking Idaho. But don't give them a stupid fucking name that people can't remember, don't register, bland, meaningless, generic in... Generic in not a John Smith's way, but just generic in a way of just gibberish first and last words that sometimes aren't even names. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:33:37 But when you said the post Vince era, if indeed the heartbreak kid, your friend and mine, Cockay Michaels, is Chief Cook and Bottle washer of NXT, who did he actually learn almost everything from running a wrestling business or booking one? I worded that very unwieldily at the same, start. Who did he learn all that shit from? The guy he worked for, Vince McMahon. So is that
Starting point is 00:34:08 something that he's still applying? Or does he not care what? Does he not know that people would possibly like a name closer to Ox Baker than fucking, you know, I can't even remember any of those names? That's my point. Or himself. Press Stone Cold Steed. Austin versus heartbreak kid Sean Michaels up against Boris Vladivostok versus Caden Chance Braxton Cole
Starting point is 00:34:43 Osiris Griffin It doesn't help I have no idea why they do these things but they're going to change it anyway when and that's what I could not only understand but condone in almost
Starting point is 00:35:03 most cases when a guy went from developmental to the main roster that they were going to change some element of their name or their gimmick or whatever the fuck but that's when developmental was
Starting point is 00:35:21 not on national television when you're on national TV or available whether it's the third rated show or not whatever when you're on national TV and you're on the same network available to the same audience
Starting point is 00:35:37 as the main roster then by that point everybody ought to be who they're supposed to fucking be from now on is what I'm saying to you do you hear me what I'm telling you I mean most people don't come up and immediately have a gimmick
Starting point is 00:35:54 but it also stands out that like no one just has like a like there isn't just you know you can't just copy, but there isn't a crusher or a bruiser, like, someone who's more known by a nickname than like by some fake sounding name. Like, Seth Rollins is a big star. And that's a bullshit name that was like on a list of names and they chose it. And for the rest of his life, while he works there, he'll be Seth to people. But he can't use that name anywhere else. And it's, I guess it's better than Tyler Black. At least they think so, they own it. But there's
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Starting point is 00:41:54 A.E.W. Finally. Is that what they called that back then? A.E.W. finally hitting Australia. Well, I don't know if they hit Australia or just slapped it in a face. And again, by the way, I was under the assumption that their big lead-in for the AEW Grand Slam was the NBA All-Star game. I didn't know that it was just NBA All-Star Saturday night, and this is still going to be... It was a fucking dunk contest.
Starting point is 00:42:34 They had a white guy about 5'11 jumping over cars and shit. It was highly entertaining. He might be the next AEW superstar. But it wasn't even the game. It was a bunch of people in a building watching... I guess they had various games and competitions, and the dunk contest was the main event of it, and it ran until about 1050,
Starting point is 00:42:59 but that was, that's the biggest lead-in they're going to have all year was the night before the game? Well, again, the dunk contest is a pretty big deal, like the home run derby for baseball. Well, but I mean, you wouldn't think it would be as big as some of the games that they actually fucking have on there.
Starting point is 00:43:17 All-Star games suck. All-Star games suck is the reality of 2025, but let me ask you this. Do you remember, because I don't, when those former wrestling fans who were watching the NBA stay for AEW and saw Chris Jericho and went on Twitter and just attacked him. Yes, yes.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Was that the All-Star game or was it just an NBA game? It was an NBA game because I remember them, people saying like NBA Twitter or something is a buzz over discovering Chris Jericho is still wrestling or something to that effect. But I think it was an NBA game and a bunch of NBA fans from the attitude era and then all of a sudden Jericho was first.
Starting point is 00:43:59 But at least they were a buzz because they knew who he once was and who he still aspired to be because they had a problem with that on this program. But to set the stage, I know we did this last week, let's just run it down real quick, Brian.
Starting point is 00:44:16 At first this was announced, instead of Grand Slam at the Arthur Ash tennis, facility there in New York because they sold that out the first year and dropped said they burnt that out they announced a stadium in Australia and we said at the time what to fuck because how and what is their viewership in Australia that they that you know they believe they can do this and a lot of our fans in Australia good day mates They said, no, they're not available on any kind of widespread television.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Wasn't that basically the summation of what everybody said was people watch it, but not in numbers that one would think would fill a stadium, is what we heard. What we heard from people was kind of a variation in different forms of, this is not a wrestling country, this is a WWE country. And they've been the only game in town, despite, you know, independence that have done okay, There really isn't a large AEW exclusive audience. And the other thing is, you know, AWM, with Wembley, they announced Wembley and people said, how the hell are they going to get anyone in that stadium?
Starting point is 00:45:35 And the first one, you got a lot of people there for a variety of reasons, dropped off year two. I guess you could understand why Tony would think maybe that would work in Australia, but it's a different kind of country, different layout. It's hard to get anywhere there. Boy, that's almost even like I say, well, if it works in Chicago, will it work in fucking Knoxville? There's just a lot more people to pick from in general in one place. But nevertheless, so then things didn't look real good, you know,
Starting point is 00:46:08 in the way of filling a stadium even with a partial setup and they moved it indoors. But in the process, and again, we're willing to be corrected here, but I've seen people tweeting that it was on their AEW, the AEW, schedule at one point as a pay-per-view event and the people thought they were getting a pay-per-view in a stadium then it was moved indoors
Starting point is 00:46:35 and then there were no big remember how they built Wembley like they were building the goddamn Egyptian pyramid but there hadn't been a lot of build for this bad boy and the other thing is Grand Slam traditionally was dynamite it wasn't a pay-per-view and it wasn't a collision I mean maybe they had matches
Starting point is 00:46:54 roll over to rampage and collision, but Grand Slam was a dynamite, this wasn't even that. Well, and that's where I'm going. They moved indoors. They didn't, it ain't a pay-per-view. They haven't had any big matches built for it until they were farting them out as they usually
Starting point is 00:47:10 do, you know, the past few weeks for the most part. And then they get a collision taping with Ring of Honor. A Ring of Honor and Collision tape at the highest prices that, I bet you're quite a few of these folks have ever paid for a wrestling ticket
Starting point is 00:47:27 because they still didn't I mean you can correct me Brian if you Google it but I'm not sure they had quite at 10,000 people and they still did over a million dollars at the gate which and here's the thing I want to know this because I don't think we delved deeply enough into this for the initial people when the stadium went on sale, didn't we hear that it was about
Starting point is 00:47:59 eight or 10,000 that bought tickets or whatever? Is this the same people? Did they just hold the tickets and make it good for the new building? Did they say turn your tickets back in and get new ones? How did they handle that transition?
Starting point is 00:48:12 I'm not exactly sure. I was under the impression. It was kind of like WWF with WrestleMania 7 where they moved indoors, even though they had already sold tickets for the LA Coliseum. They just found a way to reshuffle the arrangement so that everyone got something close to what they thought they were getting in the stadium.
Starting point is 00:48:30 So have you been able to find out any reporting on an honest basis of how many people they had in this indoor building? Well, Russell Ticks reports that the Brisbane Entertainment Center listed the capacity as 13,500. The venue has 11,000 tiered seats, and AWW, as of this email, only had 665 tickets available. So it sounds like they were in the range of 12 to 13,000. Okay, so, but I guess what I'm saying is, did, is that everybody that had bought tickets to the stadium and just switched over? Did any, has there been any real movement since then?
Starting point is 00:49:13 And I'm not talking even about tickets distributed, which is probably what wrestle ticks would have. I'm talking, did they actually sell any new ones? because they ended up doing a show that they had booked in a 70,000 seat stadium set up for 40 to 50,000 that fit into a building that holds 13,000 tops is where we went with that. Well, the other thing was, what if the stadium had worked out?
Starting point is 00:49:39 What if they had sold 50,000 tickets? Was this the card they were going to do? Was it going to be just a short collision and then Ring of Honor in a stadium? No, if they had... MJF wasn't there. I mean, how many other... wrestlers didn't make the trip.
Starting point is 00:49:54 I didn't see MJF on this show. If they had 30,000 tickets sold two months ago, you'd have seen a lot more than what you saw there, but but so that basically they ended up with a collision in a ring of honor taping with the highest prices ever
Starting point is 00:50:10 in a small building from a stadium and so I thought, I think they thought that they would make up for it in Tony's mind, they being Tony, with the all the high spot matches and the and the craziness without even any of the bad interviews or you know a fucking filler of a regular television show so it was it was a good display
Starting point is 00:50:42 of what AEW is but I'm not sure that that's what they would need for their biggest audience or at least the biggest audience at start. We'll find out, I guess, hopefully very soon how far they fell. But it looked good the crowd indoors compared to some of the ones they've had here domestically lately, but should we go ahead and before we talk about the show,
Starting point is 00:51:12 talk about the ring, the ring controversy? Might as well get that. out of the way. I mean, it was one of the first things people noticed. He started seeing photos go around before we saw any of the actual matches or anything. People noticed that the ring was smaller. Reports said that it may have been 16 by 16, which is pretty small.
Starting point is 00:51:31 They had problems fitting the aprons on, obviously, because the ring was smaller. I saw an image with like a step stool. Instead of a ring steps, they had a step stool to get people in and out of the ring. I mean, Tony's the same guy that throws money. He just put Rita Chatterton under contract. and brought her into Jaguars games.
Starting point is 00:51:49 He has money up the gazoo and he'll spend it. They didn't want to bring their own ring? Well, and again, if you're running a business and you're running one show in Australia and you can find a local ring instead of goddamn either putting one on a boat for three months or whatever that process is or flying a goddamn wrestling ring to Australia,
Starting point is 00:52:16 if you're running a business yes you would try to find something over there that would serve but for the same guy that fucking spends as much money as it would cost to had one built over there
Starting point is 00:52:31 and fucking polished and the post powder coated and shipped in there and put up by naked hookers he spends that much money on Danielson's entrance music for a pay-per-view So what
Starting point is 00:52:46 It's hard to hold these folks to the similar standards. But I didn't go ahead. I was going to, well, no, you could go ahead. I was going to bring up the buddy Matthews tweet, but I'll do it after you talk about this.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Well, okay, because I want to know more about it, because I saw him limping, but I thought he'd been selling his knee from some crazy thing that he did a second before that. But nevertheless, the ring was a normal
Starting point is 00:53:15 fucking ring. That's what people are so used to seeing all the, in the WWF it shows goddamn Netflix trailers on an LED screen on all four ring posts that everything's lit up and lightning flies out of everybody's ass.
Starting point is 00:53:32 And with AEW they do dress up as well but this was a regular fucking probably Australian Indian indie ring. The ropes were nice. They had the AEW turnbuckle pads. The ring posts were neither painted any fancy colors nor particularly straight because they had the
Starting point is 00:53:51 square posts that bend without the angle iron on the outside or making a six inch round post that won't bend unless you hit it with a 18 wheeler but I digress I didn't take a bump in it but I saw it had some give the mat didn't look too bad apparently the apron skirt what everybody's freaking out about is I hadn't even really noticed or paid attention but but it looked like it was an 18 by 18 foot ring, the same as an old WCW ring or any of the territory rings from the days of the territories, except for WWF and Byrne, they always used a 20-foot ring.
Starting point is 00:54:31 And Sheik and Kobo had a 24-foot boxing ring for, we got to ask fucking supermouthed Dave Drason why that was sometime. That's one thing I've never thought to ask him. but this was just a regular size fucking ring maybe it looked even smaller because they were actually at a big building with people in it well again people were saying 16 by 16 it looked really small looked like the ring from the ICW studio no I've seen 16 by 16 foot rings and that was bigger than that
Starting point is 00:55:02 I mean is 16 by 16 is fucking embarrassing you can take two steps and hit the other side obviously we'll review the match later on but buddy Matthews tweeted out. So thoughts after AEW Grand Slam Australia, if it wasn't a 16 by 16 shit wrestling ring, I wouldn't have destroyed my ankle on the entrance due to holes in the padding. Okay. Okada wouldn't have been able to put his foot on the rope, and I'd be champion. Shit happens. Now again, he said 16 by 16, but saying he destroyed his ankle due to holes in the padding, what does that mean?
Starting point is 00:55:39 well that means that they had shit padding um and that that's the same way that i tore my left ACL in Philadelphia and because the padding was separated there was a crack where if you put your foot down in the wrong place you can roll your ankle or you your knee can go sideways or whatever but that on a one of the nice rings these days whether it be aew or wwe or the standardized big companies. They actually, in the old days, you got fucking indoor outdoor carpeting rolled off a goddamn trailer that was
Starting point is 00:56:16 exposed to rain and snow. It was the padding for the ring. But now they have that, what do you call it composite material, but it comes in rolls and they roll it all the way across, and it's seamless in that respect, and then it's also
Starting point is 00:56:33 straight so they can tape it down where the rolls meet and you don't have any holes or dips or valleys where if you plant your foot wrong you're fucking yourself up apparently they have not in Australia invested in that type of material yet if he had a hole in the ring that's what that means but I truthfully as I said earlier I had seen him limping but I thought that he was doing something from a selling something from a movie
Starting point is 00:57:09 had just done and might have hurt himself too. But did he say did it on the entrance? Yeah, he did it at the beginning. Gee, and still got through, and still was more impressive than fucking Okada. Holy shit.
Starting point is 00:57:27 Well, how was, so, any update on the injury or whatever? He said, more soon? Ankle injury, more information soon, apparently he was enjoying his honeymoon with Ria Ripley while they were in Australia. so he's out and about and hopefully healing up. But there are photos.
Starting point is 00:57:44 I guess that's how we know that. There are photos of them hanging out and he is a crutch. Well, yeah, well, now don't call her that. I'm talking about the crutch. He can get over on his own merits. No, I'm not saying she's the crutch. How dare you? I'm saying he has a crutch.
Starting point is 00:57:57 Well, I said, don't say you sounded like he's out and about. He's hopping around on one leg, but he wasn't going to let that interfere with his nuptuations. You think hoppy's a better name than buddy? It would almost have to be, wouldn't it? But anyway, so here's what was wrong with this program. At the top, they've got the big lead-in from the NBA festivities and the fucking 5'11 white guy jumping over the cars and shit.
Starting point is 00:58:27 That was entertaining as fuck. But nevertheless, as you referred to Jericho a few minutes ago, when it was a few years ago, it was a big NBA game or whatever, and then they boom and Twitter lit up. Jericho's still wrestling, but at least there was some buzz, some, we know this guy, he used to be so-and-so. What they did here was
Starting point is 00:58:51 what I termed the other day, basically the preacher selling religion to the choir in that they came on the air with the big train chimpanzee, high spot video game match with everybody getting an individual entrance that they took their time on because of the big crowd
Starting point is 00:59:20 to the point where they rang the bell for the tag team match 10 minutes into the show and their big lead-in with the first thing they saw was our friend take a shit long and in Kyle Felcher and in Osprey and took his time. And then the second coming,
Starting point is 00:59:44 the music and the lighting, and the pyro and the drama and the time consumption. And then it's still just canny. And out comes Kenny. And they rang the bell 10 minutes into the show, and they had the big lead in and spent 10 minutes on people walking to the ring that none of those fucking people
Starting point is 01:00:09 that were watching had ever heard of before. Am I lying? Or am I lying? Are you lying or are you lying? Or well, am I? Well, you well, then you just answer the question. Your feet are off the ground, obviously. Yeah, just answer the question.
Starting point is 01:00:26 Don't try to dodge this issue. The only one they could possibly know would be Kenny Omega based on being on AEW TV, on TNT or TBS for the last five years. But if again, if it's supposedly bringing them a brand new and much bigger audience, a lot of those people ain't been watching Kenny on AEW on T&D for the last five years. Well, based on who was on this show, who would you have started out with? Not adding people that weren't on it because we don't know who went to Australia and who didn't.
Starting point is 01:00:54 Well, based on who was on this show, I believe I would have slunk off in a corner in shame. So you see, you had to pick something. But this, I'm watching as well. You know, here's the thing, Edge, they would have known who Edge was, but then they had a Brisbane brawl with the ratings killers. So I guess maybe you're right. I have it on in the background to watch it a second time while we're reviewing it. My DVR, the first 20 minutes of the NBA dunk contest, you got to wonder how many people DVR did this major event from Australia and didn't get the last 20 minutes because of how it worked. I think this ring is smaller than a WCW ring.
Starting point is 01:01:36 I mean, I could be wrong and you were in the rooms. Well, I was looking at a big screen television. And these are little guys. I mean, but, no, actually, DeCesha and Fletcher aren't that small. I think it's, it may be 16 by 60. It may be, okay, then I, if you think so, then I'll tap out. Because when I heard of, I didn't notice anything.
Starting point is 01:01:56 And then when I heard about the controversy, I went back and looked and, you know, but at the same point. WCW was 18 by 18? Oh yeah. All rings are pretty much everywhere were 18 by 18 and then
Starting point is 01:02:13 I'm trying to think I mean like I said Vern Ganya most of his were maybe some smaller shows would have been different but most of his were 20 by 20 and they always used them in the WWF
Starting point is 01:02:27 and I think the first time I was ever actually in a 20 by 20 foot ring was what I came up to do a show for Dennis Coraluzzo and a New Jersey ring. I like the old 40 by 40 foot rings at the Olympic auditorium. Well, but they had such a wonderful apron. You could paint a line down the middle
Starting point is 01:02:48 and have traffic going both ways. But anyway, back to this, the match, the tag team match. It was the dream match of all the people who liked that kind of fucking thing. And it was, it's like you know
Starting point is 01:03:04 fucking Pavarotti for me trying to put up with Millie Vanilli watching it a hundred miles an hour back and forth with moves they don't
Starting point is 01:03:18 not talking about selling like people are dead but I'm talking about the selling and or registering I've mentioned the trading of blows where they're punching each other in the side of the head and nobody's facial expression changes. But the no facials, no selling, no
Starting point is 01:03:35 registering, no logic, no psychology. Nobody's following any rules. The referee wasn't just buried. He was encased in concrete like he'd crossed Capone. At various points, two guys would just roll out of the ring and hide behind the apron until
Starting point is 01:03:51 their cue came up. The four ways, minutes, as a matter of fact, I think I, did I make some notes here? Well, I don't want to get head of myself. But early on, they've just got to do this shit because they don't know
Starting point is 01:04:08 what else to fucking do. The baby faces, Kenny and Willie, did the double dive out of the rig on opposite sides, but they took so long. First, they had to get down on their knees and
Starting point is 01:04:24 drum the mat to get the people fired up and then stand up and point and just and then run the opposite way. And there's the two heels standing there, slack-jawed, gape-mouthed, wide-eyed, waiting to catch them. Fuck, the whole bill,
Starting point is 01:04:46 even if they're not on TV camera, the whole building is looking at these numb-nuts is just standing there waiting, oh, there you got. The fuck, it's a goddamn embarrassment. There's no heels, there's no baby faces. at one point Kyle just cut both of the alleged baby faces off by himself
Starting point is 01:05:05 without even cheating boom here you go boom throw you into this guy shit can you now oh it's over and over but in between is the awkward shit the sloppy work
Starting point is 01:05:19 the rotten basics the stuff that looks phony the obvious cooperation it's like a routine by gymnasts on America's got talent and then they all pose and point and turn their back on their opponent if I was breaking this down in wrestling school
Starting point is 01:05:38 it would be a multi-part series with two hours each day to point out the basic shit that these dumb nuts is either ignore, can't get, or were never taught and I don't understand how it's gotten as far with nobody correcting them all somehow
Starting point is 01:05:58 that if you just apply all this athleticism to do something else besides pretend you're in a fucking video game, then you would prosper much farther in this industry. Because if they ever go... Of course, now they got a billionaire paying them whether they draw or not, so they don't care. But if they were to ever go to the WWE system and become legitimate stars in wrestling,
Starting point is 01:06:26 they would have to be completely retrained. For Kenny, that's why he's where he is, because it's too fucking late. For Osprey, I think he liked the idea of living in England and commuting. For Portega shit, he was probably wrapped up because the offices were working together, and his knowledge of the American wrestling scene may not be up to par. And who's the other fellow? Kyle, he's the one because he's, youngest he's got the most potential.
Starting point is 01:07:01 The more he does this type of thing here the harder it's going to be when he ever makes it to NXT, but physically he can do this shit. The heels out wrestle the faces at every turn
Starting point is 01:07:16 but it wasn't so bad because you can't tell which is which by the work and then, oh, here we go. The last 11 minutes of the match Brian, guess what they didn't do? make any tags correct you are correct sir
Starting point is 01:07:36 they did a tag at one point and there was not another tag for the last 11 minutes of the match it was either a constant choreographed four way in and out at will in front of the referee or two of the guys hiding behind the fucking apron and then they just roll in at the appropriate point
Starting point is 01:07:57 and finally Kenny and Willie won. For the type of people who like that kind of thing, that's the kind of thing those people like, they sure do just jump around with a lot of energy and enthusiasm.
Starting point is 01:08:13 For anybody who's ever worked in a wrestling industry in a booking or training or any capacity for any length of time before this mental illness took over, it was maybe the worst tag team match ever on television. Am I being too harsh?
Starting point is 01:08:33 I mean, you're very, very harsh on this match. Well, they just, they don't even try. They don't even try. They are, until they get to WWE and... And one of the heels was a hometown hero, Kyle's from Australia. So what the... Until they get to WWE and are told to work a different way
Starting point is 01:08:53 by the people paying them, they're going to keep doing what they want to do and what their instincts tell them to do. And you brought up the spot with Kyle Fletcher before making his own comeback against, both guys, he's the heel without cheating, the spot where they did the double dives and you just see Takesha and the floor looking up waiting. Yes.
Starting point is 01:09:09 When is this going to happen? Like, he looks bored. This is their style. This is the AEW style. And that's why if you watch the match, if you listen to the match, you got moments with big pops surrounded by moments where everyone sat there waiting for the next big pop. Yeah. And, you know, again, we'll see.
Starting point is 01:09:31 see what happens. I think Tekechta, I think, I think all four of these guys in their own way are great for, I shouldn't even say great for AEW. Takesha needs to get out of there, Fletcher needs to get out of there, Osprey is just going to do his own thing until whenever, until his body's broken down. And Kenny Omega is probably the predominant, preeminent AEW star, but Don Callis sucks as a manager. By the way, the commentary sucked. You got to bring that up too. Well, yeah, and- But I didn't think it was the worst thing. in the world? But again, also, is Don Callas the only manager ever in history that only sits at the announced desk and never stands up unless he's going to go to the ring and interfere?
Starting point is 01:10:13 Well, he's the only manager there that's buddies with Chris Cherico and Kenny Omega. I mean, he was a favor hire to begin with, and he is not a serious manager. W.W.E. is Paul Heyman. Everyone takes him serious. They've got a guy playing the role of a, he's like an indie manager. You would see him on a Dennis show. Yeah, unfortunately. That's the state of things. How many tickets did you sell, Don? Okay, you can manage someone. That's what it would be.
Starting point is 01:10:38 But you mentioned the overall, the commentary, even though it was rotten, I said it wasn't as rotten as it normally is, because these people, they didn't even get the A announced team. They didn't even get Taz and Chivani and Sockface. They got Chivani and Nigel, which Nigel's probably, if you know, he was unfettered and alone the best of the bunch of them,
Starting point is 01:11:05 but they didn't even get the A team there. They had to be thinking, what the fuck? And then I was wondering if Tony even made the trip, but I understand he went out in front of the live crowd and got shit booed out of him. Yeah, they boot them. Because look at what happened. They thought they were getting a big Australian AEW event.
Starting point is 01:11:23 Whoever, even if it's not a stadium, 13,000 people thought they were going to get a big AEW event. How many people weren't there? how many people weren't flown over, the ring wasn't flown over, and then you get a makeshift collision slash ring of honor. You can't bring the ring over,
Starting point is 01:11:40 but you can bring over the Ring of Honor crew? Well, they had no ring of honor. They only had Ring of Ill Repute. All right, should we move on to the women's title match, the big showdown between Mercedes-Mone and Australia's own Harley Cameron? the daughter of the legendary Dave Cameron, the historian of... No relation. No relation. He's in New Zealand.
Starting point is 01:12:11 Well, it's not that far, right? They had to take boats back in the day in order to mate with people in nearby locations. Technically, they took a boat to get to Australia originally, but again, let's... That's why the sheep were so nervous out there in those days. Harley Cameron's, again, it's a silly comedy act, and I think she's really talented. I'd love to see her, you know, on the Stephen Colbert Show or something, not here. But they have successfully gotten her through exposure to her over. She may not be talented in the ring, but she is over with their fans right now. Well, and she was even over on TV here on the build to this over the last couple of weeks
Starting point is 01:12:58 without being in her home country and then they go to Australia and a big crowd in their home country and I'm thinking is this the time where maybe they might realize let's get something out of the I think we agreed
Starting point is 01:13:15 the other day Mercedes for the money spent and the Ballyhoo was the biggest female flop that they've ever flopped here in AEW so could they put the the new phenomenon over and get, you know,
Starting point is 01:13:32 something out of this thing. But they didn't do that, did they? And, you know, here's the thing. The match, like you said, Harley is not, it was like two drunk strippers watched a tape of a wrestling match and tried to imitate it. There's no leader here.
Starting point is 01:13:55 I know Mercedes is trying to tell her things to do, that she thinks might be wise to do, but we've seen what her matches look like a lot of times. And to me, it came down to Harley's not good, but at least people like her where Mercedes is rotten and nobody's caring. So besides the fact that this was kind of phony looking
Starting point is 01:14:23 because they tried to do too much out of their depth and Harley was using the puppet to come off the, top rope for whatever, but they didn't even use the puppet creatively. At one point Mercedes football kicked it, but otherwise Harley was just waving it around like it was a pom-pom.
Starting point is 01:14:41 She could have fucking stuck her hand up the fucking puppet and then had the puppet fucking grab Mercedes in the crotch or something. I don't know. I don't know if that would have worked on TNT. Well, but it, well, it was late
Starting point is 01:14:56 at night. but the well you can't deny that I don't know if TNT changes their standards that much later well it's it's late night it's playboy after dark baby you know it's not the family hour anymore we can let our freak flag fly that's right back to electric blue
Starting point is 01:15:17 yes well back to it is finally it wouldn't end until Mercedes hit that shitty finish that she does and beat Harley 1, 2, 3 also so what is, you know, Mildred Burke going to have to come back from the grave to end this winning streak of this obviously egotistical young flopola? Just an honest question I ask of you. I mean, Tony's happy with Mercedes-Money and I don't know what to say about the women's division. They have some talent there, but it's never going to work when you just throw them on in the
Starting point is 01:15:56 middle of the show when there are other matches that people care for. Harley Cameron's gotten herself over with the puppet. I know it's not an easy thing to do, but they should sell the fucking puppet. Just have them everywhere, but merch is not necessarily their strong suit. But take advantage of this. Right now, if WWE and Harley Cameron and all of a sudden they discovered she's a ventriloquist and it got over, they'd be merch up the gazoo already. Is there anything from AEW?
Starting point is 01:16:21 I don't know. She didn't win. AEW is on. a run of disappointing finishes. I'm not just saying the good guy has to win and Tony Storm got a big win and they really like that, but between Harley not winning and the way Cope lost,
Starting point is 01:16:42 there was enough here to deflate people. You know what I mean? Just like, uh, okay, I've seen... That fucking Cope, let's not blame him. The Dick the Boozer match, which we'll get to, was a goddamn that was the wrestling equivalent
Starting point is 01:16:58 of a tranquilizer dart just took the fucking energy out of everybody oh well anyway yes Mercedes-Money did win she is still the no the other ones the women's chain
Starting point is 01:17:14 she's the TNT champion or she's got like four belts or whatever only one of them is recognized or official no believe me she's got four belts but nobody recognizes any of Like, what's that? So Harley Cameron, not necessarily someone who's a wrestler.
Starting point is 01:17:33 Someone told me her husband is an athlete who was signed to WWE and that she came over here with him. And that's kind of what her introduction to wrestling was. So not someone with any sort of background or interest in it but got into it. And she has talent. She could sing, play guitar, and play with puppets. Is that someone WWE should be interested in? or would they say no stay in AEW? Well, no, I wonder why that she didn't give her husband, boyfriend,
Starting point is 01:18:07 significant other, whatever was involved with the WWE system, why they didn't get involved with her at the beginning, or maybe they did, or maybe she wasn't interested then and chose another path or whatever, but she probably would have been, she probably would have been better served in NXT because if the only perspective she has on wrestling is what she sees behind the scenes
Starting point is 01:18:38 and or in the ring in AEW, she's going to have a long row to hoe as Mama Cornett used to say if she wants to continue in the big leagues and go through NXT. If she at least gotten that system first, she'd still have a limited, understanding of wrestling, but she would have
Starting point is 01:18:56 a better understanding of what the fuck? How to separate business from all of this tomfoolery? Does that make any sense? It does make some sense. And again, Harley Cameron, getting over, talented, has her puppets. If AEW isn't going to sell them, maybe she could sell them herself, set up an online store,
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Starting point is 01:21:14 for a theme park, Pizney World. And over the course of a weekend, down there in Delray Beach, they built. this guy in amusement park and now he's he's letting children come in for a quarter ahead. I don't know what the hell you're talking about. They stay
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Starting point is 01:23:04 One more time, what's that? promo code, Jim. Oh, I thought you wanted to hear this one more time. The promo code is J-C-E. All right, you know what that means. We're back to Australia. Well, here came Edge. and this was
Starting point is 01:23:24 again, I said at the top of the program they should have led with somebody that maybe the new audience might know that at the same time would still mean something to the AEW crowd. Edge would have been the guy but this brutal, rotten, indie garbage match that he was involved in
Starting point is 01:23:42 would have driven people off the fucking show like women and children off the deck of the Titanic. But he was over the fans sang his song when the music cut off they continued singing to him and they know him and he's been a star for a while even though you know he now looks like dan haggerty's elderly uncle and then here came j white and well there came jay white but he's over over there because he's he's one of those folk where is he from I think he may be New Zealand also He is so Again you know
Starting point is 01:24:27 They're close to home They don't have the loyalty The Samoans do But still Where's Old Zealand Well it's under the sea It's next to Atlantis That's why they had to make a new one
Starting point is 01:24:40 The other one sank And then here came Dick the Boozer And the Booser and the boer horsemen Through the crowd And they're having a Brisbane brawl with no disqualifications, no countouts, no tags. They even said no tags. How was that different from the last match they just had?
Starting point is 01:25:02 Where they could have been counted out many times but weren't. They could have been disqualified, but weren't. They had no tags. And the fight on this when started on the floor. And they fought in the entranceway. And they fought through the arena. And they fought into the stands. And they fought in the trenches.
Starting point is 01:25:23 and they fought on the front line. But it's the same shift they always do, and the pace on this was somewhat glacial. And then we found out, and I'm trying to think there was a place we went for a Ring of Honor show. It was 15 years ago.
Starting point is 01:25:45 I want to say, was it Canada or whatever the fuck where they couldn't find any tables? and I mean there were panicked faces like oh my god we can't have a wrestling show without tables amongst the wrestlers believe it or not because they
Starting point is 01:26:02 the tables that are broken in wrestling have we ever talked about the measurements Brian of the tables that they break I don't think so no okay I call them lunchroom tables because that's what when I was a kid
Starting point is 01:26:18 the foldy leg tables that you see everybody slide in the ring and set up that used to they'd set it up in the lunchroom or in the gym or whatever if you were having the pizza party but the tables that get broken are eight-foot tables and and now that you have heard that can you visualize when a guy stretched out on it his head maybe almost goes to the top his feet almost go to the bottom right right because an eight-foot table when you hit it with a weight in the middle of it in the sweet spot it'll break clean and potentially safely but if that table is six feet long and that's what with the ring of honor uh show i was talking about i think
Starting point is 01:27:06 all they could find were four foot tables your sweet spot almost ain't there the closer in that the legs are to the middle of the table the more is the sturdier it's going to be the less it's going to or the it's going to take to break it, the less likely it is to break in the middle of you get my drift here. And when they pulled at least one of the tables I saw out, it looks like Australia has like five
Starting point is 01:27:33 foot tables, maybe six, but they were all so thin when Edge got power bombed through off the apron, I think, and it just matched through one of those tables and it looked like he got power bombed through a fucking cardboard box from U-line.
Starting point is 01:27:49 It just snapped like balsa wood like chopsticks the point is in other countries they have other office supplies with other measurements and maybe they're on the metric system over there I don't know what's going on
Starting point is 01:28:03 but did you notice the tables were a little flimsy when they put I can't remember who I think Kyle laid on it for a minute it looked like it was going to break in half just from the guy laying on it anyway yeah
Starting point is 01:28:18 flimsy table break just random notes Moxley's shit looks so fake that the power bomb through a table was the break spot when they came back nothing was really happening then Edge made a comeback and Moxley stopped him and that Jay White made a comeback with a
Starting point is 01:28:36 kendo stick and they stopped him the road warrior sold like Ricky Morton compared to these fucking heels and then Wheeler old wheelie boy he just rolled in and started whipping people with a belt and then Edge speared Who's he, what's he through the fucking table
Starting point is 01:28:58 and Claudio and speared Moxley and then Edge pulled out a barbed wire chair a chair wrapped in barbed wire and hit Moxley with it is it worth Brian's stopping and taking a moment to pump the brake and ask this question again since it's been a couple of years since I did the last time. What the fuck application does a chair wrapped and barbed wire have in real civilian life?
Starting point is 01:29:36 Well, there is none. We're supposed to assume that the wrestler left it there knowing that he'll need it, not that it was something to happen to be there, I guess. Well, but again, so now guys are allowed to put their own personal weapons under it's so stupid the whole idea of the chair shot to begin with in an arena in a wrestling arena with spectators there are chairs around
Starting point is 01:30:03 and something you'd grab and pick up in a fight if it's something that could be under the ring I can go for a chair I can go for a board I could go for an extra turnbuckle I go for a toolbox fire extinguisher but a chair wrapped in barbed wire for any
Starting point is 01:30:21 normal person of course there are none but any normal person that was watching this show would go what the fuck is the matter with these people it's just so stupid and then Marina Schaefer
Starting point is 01:30:37 oh god damn it somebody had a wonderful nickname for that we ought to start calling her on that they tweeted and now I've forgotten what it was I just remember saying I should fucking write that down then I didn't write it down but Marina Schaefer hit Edge with the briefcase,
Starting point is 01:30:56 but not really because she missed him. But he sold it and Moxley got the choke on him, and everything came to a halt. There was no motion. It took forever. All of the extra people, the heels that weren't in the match, were holding Edge's solitary partner away
Starting point is 01:31:19 from making any kind of a save. And then the referee rang the bell. And the crowd booed. Not in the way of, boo, we hate you, you heal. It was like, boo, that's the fucking finish. And he just, it was a garbage match with a rotten finish. And then, before you comment, when Moxley kept choking edge, the crowd started chanting bullshit. because it just
Starting point is 01:31:51 it was going nowhere and then Moxley jumps up like a maniac running around cussed and got bleeped whatever he said and then the heels wandered around while Moxley acted like a tough guy and flipped everybody the fucking bird and it was like
Starting point is 01:32:09 garbage championship wrestling with a budget and after all the other self-inflicted wounds and bad booking decisions. It may be, after all, it may be this fucking low-class clown that kills this whole thing. It just runs everybody off. He is the worst wrestler in the world. I'm sorry, please give me your feedback. I've drunked on for too long. You didn't know this. I literally was going to begin by saying John Moxley is the worst wrestler in the world. Well, I'm sorry I stole your material. When I first said that
Starting point is 01:32:43 several years ago, we would still hear a lot of pushback. Can you imagine how crazy cornet and last are? think Moxley sucks. Everyone sees it now. His ideas are terrible. His work is terrible. The fact that they're putting over so strongly a heel team that the fans reject. This isn't heat. Channing bullshit isn't heat here. It is the fans are sick of this with Moxley, him choking people out, killing people. The other thing that's scarier is what this could mean. Moxley and Edge are about to wrestle at the AEW pay-per-view coming up. Edge just got choked out. Does that mean he's going to win?
Starting point is 01:33:26 Which scares me, because if he wins the title, first of all, I wouldn't make him the world champion right now. But second of all, does that mean Christian's going to cash in right away? I mean, there's all these dynamics, none of them are good. The world champion is mox, so you never see the belt. And it's like a vacancy at the top of the card right now. They've killed every single segment they've been in ratings-wise. Tony has put them, if you notice, over the last like three months,
Starting point is 01:33:54 Tony has put the Death Riders in like every quarter of the show. Just trying to find any place where they won't drive people away. It's impossible. The Death Riders stuff is only good to John Moxley because he's a wrestling moron. He knows what he likes. He knows what he wants to be, but he doesn't know what people want and what people want him to be.
Starting point is 01:34:16 Terrible match. terrible. I said it the other day, none of these people are marketable. They just put out a white t-shirt that says Death Riders at the bottom apparently that they're selling. It's just bad. And I don't think anyone wants to see Edge. He got a great reaction here. It was a wonderful moment. But everyone's singing his song because the Australian fans are happy to see him. But his run in AEW has been awful. And him against the Death Riders has been God awful. if he's about to wrestle for the AEW world title and, you know, at least many of the AEW faithful
Starting point is 01:34:52 are on board with that, right? How old is Edge? Is it 53? I'm trying to remember. You might be able to Google it, but the point of the matter is, is that wasn't it just a few weeks ago that Uncle Dave was saying,
Starting point is 01:35:09 well, about Shelton Benjamin? I don't know, pushing a guy that was 49 years old and wasn't used real well on TV in the WWE few years ago. Edge is 51. Okay, Edge is 51. Look at Edge at 51 next to Shelton Benjamin at 49. Tell me who might ought to be the world champion between the two of them.
Starting point is 01:35:36 Well, that was that match, Jim. And, of course, there was still more to go, but the fans were pretty deflated by this point. That would be a grand slam. Yes, they looked like one of those wind socks and a calm wind at the airport. The international title was on the last. Is that the international title? The Intercontinental, the continental title. One of the titles was on the line.
Starting point is 01:36:01 Yes, it is. The other one's the continental, yes. It was Okada versus Buddy Matthews, and we mentioned it earlier in the program. This is where Buddy injured is Rick. injured his ring. Injured his ankle apparently in this ring. And again, I thought that I didn't catch it because it was on the entrance
Starting point is 01:36:23 and he made it through this whole match and was the most impressive guy in the match. And I'd seen him limping at one point, but since then he was doing a running spot, I was like, how he was selling what he was doing before, but he's just apparently a tough fucking guy. but it's insulting to buddy as hard as he works and as much as he tries to get his shit over to have to work with a fucking lazy-ass piece of shit like Okada.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Be quite honest with you. I'm just being honest. Instead of recounting the matches and the endless blow-by-blow description, here's what I'm saying as a person who has been involved in training programs and talent scouting and fucking development, invented developmental, for fuck's sake. Because that's what I was going to say. Stacey was watching part of this thing with me.
Starting point is 01:37:22 And I said, to her, I said, look at this guy. I said, am I overly critical? Am I biased? Look at this guy and his appearance in the ring and his work that he is exhibiting and tell me would he have stood out in an Ohio Valley wrestling class. And she said, no, he's the shits.
Starting point is 01:37:47 And she reminded me of who he works like. Do you know who Okada works like? I have no idea. David Flair. Oh, come on. No, bless him. Come on. Bless him, he was a heck of a nice kid.
Starting point is 01:38:03 But David Flair didn't get it. And that's when Okada. he's he's soft he's bland he's slow he's boring he's obviously not working any harder than he has to at any point and there's no charisma there's no look there's no what the fuck this if i said mercedes was the most expensive female flop that tony's ever purchased the men's title has to go to okada He looks like a Japanese Elon Musk And his shit is unwatchable Did you see the elbow fall off the top rope?
Starting point is 01:38:52 He didn't drop it, he just fell. It's But he was again, buddies from over there, down under. With the vegemite and all that type of stuff. Can you hear the thunder? You better run, you better take cover. They want to see him do something. The fans were with him.
Starting point is 01:39:16 And again, he's doing all this shit with one foot. And finally, Buddy hit a superplex and a jackhammer and got a two count. And he got Ria's clover leaf and Okada rolled through, kicked him into balls, hit him with that shitty clothesline and beat him one, two, three. Here's this jacked up beast hitting this fucking... slight built Japanese businessman looking fuck
Starting point is 01:39:46 with all these big moves and Okada wins with a shitty clothes line that only got over because buddy took a hell of a bump for it and what the fuck is at some point do you not say to yourself
Starting point is 01:40:07 I can't believe that I paid what I paid for what I'm staring at on this monitor with my own eyes and I need to either tell him start working hard if he can or phasing him out and get somebody over with his name while he still got one.
Starting point is 01:40:27 I think Ibushi'd be better in Okada and he had his feet amputated, right? Let's not go crazy. Abushi may be past the point of no return. You know, Okada has not been impressive in AW. At one point you want to talk about the ring. at one point he did the move, the move. He hit the mat and he tried to roll out
Starting point is 01:40:46 and he got caught on the bottom rope. Because I guess the ropes are lower than the roof. They are usually. He couldn't just roll out of the rig. He got caught in the rope. Buddy Matthews has a great look. Has an awful name. Was in front of a hometown crowd. You could say the same thing about Harley Cameron.
Starting point is 01:41:04 In terms of being in front of a hometown crowd. Now, they got the Tony Storm match, but there was a lot of things in between that deflated people like this match. you're paying O'Cada all this money. Tony Kahn could do it. I'm not even going to blame him for that. He could do it. He doesn't have to care.
Starting point is 01:41:21 But if you could recognize what's happening, maybe it was worth it to kind of try to do something here and give Buddy a big win. Roll the dice. See if you can get something out of any of this. Because otherwise, O'Connell just won another match. He's kind of a nothing champion. He's got nothing going on. virtually done nothing since the bucks haven't been on TV.
Starting point is 01:41:45 Well, I was about saying his group, his cohorts in crime, they just went home because they weren't over and it was embarrassing them to go on TV and flop. So they just went home to get paid and left him standing around doing interviews where the only word he can say in English is bitch and having these slow ass, you know, fucking shitty matches. And what can he be involved in? I don't think AEW can push people based off reputation.
Starting point is 01:42:15 It has to be based on what they bring to the table right now. That has to be the way AEW deals with things. Capitalize on the moment, jump on things at work, try to make something work. Not just keep doing what you're doing. Moxley's the world champion. People hate him. They hate watching him. The Continental champion is Okada.
Starting point is 01:42:35 He's not lighting the world on fire. The international champion, is that still Takesha? I believe so He just lost in a tag team I mean just none of the champions or the right guys are presented well but yeah he beat Buddy Matthews here
Starting point is 01:42:52 this was a chance to even though he's hurt and we now know that if they had put Buddy over here maybe you have a chance of having someone who could be a bit of a star for you well but they've and that's another reason why is he wrestling for a singles title
Starting point is 01:43:09 when they have just, the leader of the group that he was in, that he was really presented as the third place guy in, has just left the company. So they repackaged him and Brody King as a tag team. And then beat them right away. They lost their first tag team match on Dynamite, and then they put Buddy in as a single wrestling for a title, and he gets beat too.
Starting point is 01:43:39 So what? Anyway. Well, that was that match, but there was ever a time to do something, that was it. We wish him a speedy recovery so he can come and put the girls champion over. And speaking of the girls champion for the women's title, whichever one of the women's titles that Mercedes doesn't have, it was Maria May and Tony Storm. And again, the dramatic return.
Starting point is 01:44:12 Well, I, Maria, where's Maria from? You mean Mariah? Yeah, well, you say Maria, I say Mariah. I wish they'd call the whole thing off. Her name's Maria. I think she's from England. So she's from, she's got an accent too. So a lot of, but Tony Storm is the hometown girl here.
Starting point is 01:44:32 Let me just double chuck. Yeah, she's from London, England. Well, there you go. So you got, you got Queensland versus England. but, and I do mean the word but, during Maria's entrance, who comes out after she gets in the ring, but Luther, in a bellhop costume,
Starting point is 01:45:00 comes out of the stands and gestures grandly and flabbily toward the video screen for Tony's big entrance. They flew Luther. to Australia mugged an organ grinder stripped his monkey and put the outfit on Luther
Starting point is 01:45:21 but they can't get take a ring over or bring any of the major stars of wrestling but Luther you think they had to buy that fat ass two seats on the plane I don't know I'll let you think of a better fucking retort to that
Starting point is 01:45:44 even all come on or something I don't have any Luther retorts. He's beyond retort. Beyond retorting. Yes. He's beyond retorting. We're doing the retorting on Luther. Jericho's retorted friend Luther was on the show.
Starting point is 01:46:00 That's right. He's another one of the Winnipeg. You got the Kookamonga Click and the Winnipeg Warriors. And so then Tony Storm entered in black and white. And, you know, it's better than Mercedes and Harley. but what wouldn't be, but they want Tony to win. And up to this point, Stacey said,
Starting point is 01:46:24 I think that's where she got up because she said, you wouldn't have aired any of this. I was like, because I was complaining about the finish of the last match. I'm just, Tony Storm wasn't bad
Starting point is 01:46:38 until this gimmick. Remember we liked Tony Storm. She was a good wrestler with a seemingly, bubbly personality. But then she went Hollywood and got this bald fat fuck from Winnipeg to be her Eric von Stroheim and this whole goddamn... It had nothing to do with All About Eve.
Starting point is 01:47:04 Come to find out. Watch the goddamn movie, people, and compare all about Eve to anything they've done here. And then she's got amnesia. and then I'm so tired of amateur cartoon wrestling that I don't care whether this match was any good or not. Tony gave her six German suplexes and beat her up on the floor and three ass to faces and a pile driver.
Starting point is 01:47:35 And then Maria hit two Death Valley drivers. It got a two count. Then they had a girly slap fight. So they followed up pile. drivers and Death Valley drivers with a slap fight. And then the weirdest finish I've ever seen, Tony Storm hits a pile driver on Maria. Maria rolls to the floor so she can't be covered because she's injured.
Starting point is 01:48:01 And then rolls back in and gives Tony Storm a pile driver. And then gets up and is going to pick Tony Storm up and Tony Storm, instead of small packaging her out of a pickup attempt, stood straight up for a second, looking like she was going to pick her up and body slam her and then small packaged her there. One, two, three. So they each traded pile drivers
Starting point is 01:48:32 within 45 seconds of the finish that they forgot about and then the finish was a small package. Help me. New World Champion. Once again, the world champion. That wasn't the help I was looking for. It's not about the help you're looking for. It's about to help Tony needs.
Starting point is 01:48:54 Tony con, that is, not Tony, not timeless Tony. Well, there's too many Tony. See, Tony, Tony, Tony, it's too many. Needs to be just one. Even if they do spell them differently. You got a Y, you got an I, you got an E. But you say it the same way. Again, I don't understand the idea that you could fly over all these people.
Starting point is 01:49:15 Luther was flown over. Tony Chavani, I guess you need a commentator, but that's who they chose. All these people, and they didn't bring a ring, they couldn't just bring their ring. Well, now, in all fairness, again, you can't just buy a fucking ticket on Delta for, you know, yes, I'm not saying that. Like 2472 to fucking Brisbane in first class for the ring, you have to get a cargo. A cargo plane. You'd have to be a billionaire able to rent the cargo plane. But again, that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 01:49:48 Yes, he spends the money on entrance music and talent scouts and miscellaneous, you know, falderall for his cast of merry pranksters. But I don't understand why they didn't get, that's a big gate. Didn't they want to see the, the Hurt Syndicate? You know, fuck, just because, why are they still, why are the roster still somewhat separate on collision and rampage, now that punk is not there to beat up any of the
Starting point is 01:50:22 Buck's childhood friends, why can't all the stars appear on all the programs? It might help their ratings. Well, Jim, before we wrap up our look at AEW's Australian Vacation, here are the results for the Ring of Honor show we did not watch.
Starting point is 01:50:41 Uh-oh. Bandito and the Outrunners He's back! Defeated Bigger's Bill, Brian Keith, and Chris Jericho. Ring of Honor Pure Champion, Lee Moriarty defeated Robbie Eagles.
Starting point is 01:50:57 Mark Davis defeated Tommy Knight. The Ring of Honor World Tag Team champions, the Sons of Texas, defeated the MXM Collection. And finally for the Ring of Honor Women's World Championship,
Starting point is 01:51:14 Athena defeated Alex Winnocet I thought he was one of Dory Funk Jr's trainees, Alex Windsor. He just died a couple years ago, too. It must be a different, well, it's in the women's division. I assume it's a different person or Alex's. Well, he decided to make the change. We could all support that.
Starting point is 01:51:35 So they just messed up on part of the advertising because they had promised Australia a veritable who's who a professional wrestling and instead what they, meant was a veritable who's that of professional wrestling. Well, that was AEW's Australia Grand Slam. We shall see what happens if they return to Arthur Ash and what that is, and if they ever go back to Australia, and what ring they use. But Jim, would you like to put money down? Do you think AEW will return to Australia next year, yes or no?
Starting point is 01:52:12 I have a feeling who runs Australia? Is that a president or a prime? minister or whatever the case. I have a feeling that the head honchos down there in Australia have already filed paperwork to ban AEW from appearing on their soil as unsavory elements. But folks, if you want to place a bet on it, I bet I know where you can go. See what I did there? Because our friends over at Draft King's Casino will they play all kinds of games and take all kinds of
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Starting point is 01:56:44 All right, that was the worst I've ever done, but... Oh! We had to get here somehow. Oh, good. Get hearing somehow. That's not what I said. I said, we had to get here somehow. We have a lot going on.
Starting point is 01:56:57 Oh, I said, I've got to get hearing somehow after you blitzed my drums with that little serenade. Well, Jim, let's get some questions. This came from the Cult of Cornet. That's not where it came from at all. This is from corny drive-thru at gmail. from Paul, hello,
Starting point is 01:57:19 I had a question about wrestlers with bad attitudes. In your opinion, should I as a fan care about if a guy is hard to work with? Or should I just like who I like and let their bosses worry about that stuff? There are a lot of wrestlers who are annoying backstage,
Starting point is 01:57:40 but I, this guy must be there. But I think, but I think are really, talented, should I put myself in a promoter shoes, or just focus on the TV product that they deliver? And that's his question, but let me just add the most important thing, I guess, just in this day and age. Well, that's the thing. That's the first thing I was going to say is it depended on the era, because most of the guys in the old days before everybody was smart,
Starting point is 01:58:09 that were hard to work with were also big stars, because that's why, were hard to work with. They could oftentimes get away with it. Or there was a reason for it. You weren't having, you know, poor Pat Rose wasn't going to go to Bill Watts and say, no, fuck you, I'm not putting dog over. So at that point, those people being hard to work with,
Starting point is 01:58:33 sometimes there was a business reason and sometimes there wasn't. It was only in their own mind. But the fans didn't really realize or know what was going on so they would, you know, still be predisposed to like the guy if he had something going up,
Starting point is 01:58:53 bruiser Brody for fuck's sake. He could get over with the people. He was tough on the promoters. In today's age, when everybody knows everything and knows who's fucking who around backstage and whatever, there might be an element of fan backlash
Starting point is 01:59:14 from some, against somebody that that they know is kind of actively stonewalling or sandbagging or not giving them the show that they should like to have because their own selfish interests are taking precedence, such as, you know,
Starting point is 01:59:33 Dick the Boozer, the Plummer Moxley, whatever. That may color it, but no, just like, you know, if you're watching a movie and you don't know that a guy is a asshole or a convicted so-and-so or a Trump supporter or whatever. You like the movie and like the acting, but once you find that out,
Starting point is 01:59:55 it's sometimes hard to forget, you know, that you found out something about that particular guy you don't like. So it depends on the era, Brian, is the answer to the question. And what do you think about just the idea of acknowledging I guess not all wrestling fans care about the wrestlers
Starting point is 02:00:16 behind the scenes. They literally just watch wrestling or attend wrestling and move on with their day and move on with their life. Because people are, you know, they're still fans of
Starting point is 02:00:27 Pity Ditties music or Puffy Duty or whatever his fucking name is. I don't know if anyone's a fan of his music, actually. Well, there's somebody somewhere. I guess so maybe, but... I mean, there are people in Germany that like to have their balls nailed to a stepstool. Jim, our next question
Starting point is 02:00:46 was sent via the Cult of Cornette Facebook group by Sandy Dan Rackley. What? Sandy Dan Rackley. It wasn't funny, and then you had to say what? Now I can't look at it without laughing. Hello, Sandy Dan. Sandy Dan wanted to know
Starting point is 02:01:06 how did wrestlers during the World War II period? period, managed getting to bookings when gas rationing was in effect, and most of the travel in between shows would have been by car. Good question. Well, as I recall, of course, I was only just a teenager at the time. Uh, no, the, yes, there was gas rationing, and most wrestlers didn't, uh, fly in those days, except for the biggest stars the Jim Lundas is, or or whatever, but there was also trains. And you, and Brian, you've seen this,
Starting point is 02:01:48 a lot of the old wrestler, you know, books or period pieces, you know, and I was on a train with Strangler Lewis. They actually did that shit up until, fuck the 50s, I guess, right? When then it started getting really hard to get a train to anywhere in the United States. By the way, not just wrestlers I mean, you see like Babe Ruth was on the train with people
Starting point is 02:02:14 Yeah, it was everyone Yeah, well, and that's how the movie stars and the studios, if they had to bring stars across the country for a barnstorming publicity tour for a new movie or whatever, they'd put them on a train and have banners and shit. Harry Truman was the end of that, ladies and gentlemen. That was the last time it was done.
Starting point is 02:02:35 But also, in those days, except for the, the main event, which may be the big stars, still except if it was a major, major wrestling market show, there would be a lot of local guys underneath. And what was the three matches on a card?
Starting point is 02:02:52 You're talking six or eight wrestlers, it, you know, they got around however they had to get around and also guys weren't working in the days before television and before the territories had been established. They weren't working every day.
Starting point is 02:03:08 because of that, because of travel time, they either had time to or had to have time to, you know, get in a car, four or five at a time. Those old, those old gangster cars from the 30s and 40s you could put
Starting point is 02:03:23 a two-bedroom apartment in the fucking thing so they'd pile up in a car and they would have an extra day in between to drive from Rochester, New York, to Pittsburgh because there was no interstate. So they did. what they had to do. It wasn't like everybody was driving a Cadillac
Starting point is 02:03:42 and, you know, driving by themselves. Well, Jim, our next question sent to Courtney Drive-Thru at Gmail.com from Jack and Indianapolis. Was Gary Hart considered a good manager by performers within the business? I asked because he never seemed to do anything during his guy's matches.
Starting point is 02:04:05 And he never went to the WWF. Was that just his schick? Not doing anything except look mean? Did other performers think he was useless ringside, but a good promo? Thanks. Well, he did at one point. He was about to go to the WWF, and I think that story has been told.
Starting point is 02:04:26 Who was it? Was it Strongbow? He had heat with or whatever. They didn't send anybody to pick him up. He got mad and went back. It was either that. You know, I think it was that. but I also, for whatever reason
Starting point is 02:04:39 I thought he actually showed up at the building and pulled a knife on the Strongbow, but maybe I'm wrong about the second. Well, I mean, and it wouldn't have been a knife, it would have been a razor blade. But yes and no to all of the above and I'll try to explain why. And, you know, Uncle Gary,
Starting point is 02:04:55 I liked Gary when I got to know him later on in our careers, but I as a fan and when I first got into business, I kind of thought the same thing. I think the problem is that Gary had such longevity, but he really, after the plane crash, and he kind of settled into the sinister playboy Gary Hart, you know, I don't want to say character, gimmick,
Starting point is 02:05:27 that he didn't really change a lot for the 80s. Dusty thought so highly of him. was a huge drawing manager in the 70s in Florida. That was Dusty as a heel was part of the Gary Hart Army before they switched him baby face and Gary had packed song and they sold out everywhere, blah, blah, blah. Gary had learned to wrestle badly. He was not a good wrestler, never had a physique and wasn't really, you can see the old Chicago tapes.
Starting point is 02:06:02 But what, late 50s, early 60s? His calling wasn't as a wrestler, but he had that voice and that delivery and that face, that expression, and he could make you believe things. So by the late 60s, as a manager, he was getting over, and he drew money in most places. And also, as a lot of the guys who excelled as managers were, he had a booking mind. and that's where he got his best reputation inside the business to answer the question more directly I think by the 80s everybody that had to work with him as a manager at ringside probably was like
Starting point is 02:06:47 oh this is a little difficult but he had more respect from people from the booking he had done and in Dallas or in Atlanta or you know Barnett who liked Gary because of his mind and how he could develop town and Kabuki. So he had a good reputation in the business, but there was that when Flair was a baby face
Starting point is 02:07:12 against Terry Funk in that series in 89, Gary's at ringside. Gary wouldn't put Flair over. When Flair's charging up to him, Gary just stood his ground, and Gary's bigger than Flair was. And you see Flair'd have to grab him and jerk him around a little bit
Starting point is 02:07:27 to get him to just leave, but... There's a moment where you see the frustration in Flair. I think it was the Texas Death Match, or not the Texas Death Match, I quit match. I think it was that match you see in his face. He goes back for a second.
Starting point is 02:07:38 He's freshened and Gary won't do anything. Yeah. And part of it was after that plane crash, Gary, you know, and that was 15 years after the crash. Well, you can't play that card would flare.
Starting point is 02:07:49 Hey, I was in a plane crash. Well, guess what, buddy. But at the same time, Gary couldn't do, couldn't take bumps and couldn't do a lot physically after that. So you had a heel manager that was really big
Starting point is 02:08:01 and really menacing looking, but he could do only the barest things for you to get, you know, even with him. And he wanted to keep his heat to the point where he didn't want to look scared of the baby faces. But like I said, by the time the 80s rolled around national TV, TBS, there's me, there's Jimmy Hart, there's Heenan, we're bumping, we're being more over the top, so to speak. and Gary was he was different, but it was sometimes difficult for the baby faces to work with and or sometimes the fans by that point thought, well, he's not really doing a lot because he wasn't really doing a lot.
Starting point is 02:08:42 By that point in 89, it was you, it was Heyman, it was Teddy Long, it was Gary, and the rest of you, even Heyman, Hayman would at least run around. He would move around. He may not take bumps or do it well, but he was in motion. Gary would just kind of stand there and every now and then walk. And that was it. Yeah. And I mean, less is more, but when it's so much less, because it's the same thing we're doing 20 years ago, that's a little too less.
Starting point is 02:09:12 All right, Jim, our next question, or actually, I guess it's a list here. Potential names for Adam Copeland. This was sent in by Ben, the corny drive-thru at gmail.com. He wanted your thoughts. would these be better than cope? I guess that's the question for each of these. Fringe Is fringe better than cope?
Starting point is 02:09:38 It might be. It depends on how you cope with the fringe. Perimeter. I like perimeter. Okay, so I'll put a checkmark next to that one. Brink. Oh, maybe even better and it fits better on the fucking market.
Starting point is 02:09:58 key. He can come out in a brinkstruck. Edge. Well, no, he could play it. And I'm one step closer to the brink and I'm about to break. I say, you like that one? What about Verge? Well, Verge is still not the edge.
Starting point is 02:10:15 Because the verge is before the edge. I guess it's close enough to edge. That's kind of the thing without being edge. What about Margin? Would Margin be a better name? for cope then cope. I'll go with that. Or maybe even median.
Starting point is 02:10:36 Again, I don't know how this one would work. Lip. Just lip. Followed by on the list here. Limit. Of course, and it says here, this one may be too political. Border. Border.
Starting point is 02:10:55 But now that could be his tagline. One thing you're going to learn, don't ever. cross the border. See, that, wow, that is good. You came up with that quick. That's good. I hope we don't convince him to use it, but what about Jim, better than cope? Yes or no, or on par with edge.
Starting point is 02:11:12 Precipice. Oh, can you imagine? The videos they could build and put together about someone falling from the precipice. What about brim? Brim Sounds a little grim Advantage Here he is
Starting point is 02:11:41 the rated R superstar Advantage See Now we're getting away from the literal description of the name and going more to the figurative superiority
Starting point is 02:11:54 I don't know if that one would work so much Head Start I don't know if I was anybody in AEW right now if I'd come out a T-shirt that said Head Start. What about ascendancy? I think that's somebody has to be a little too high. And then finally on this first list, the upper hand is the upper hand better than cope?
Starting point is 02:12:25 I don't know, but the right hand's better than all of them. And then according to, what was the name of this person again, according to Ben, I feel any of these would fit in with AEW television. The synonyms for Edge as a verb also have potential. Jim, what do you think of creep? What do you think of the rated R superstar creep? Creep. Or skirt.
Starting point is 02:12:52 Skirt is also a verb. What about trim? The wrestler trim. That may work. Finally, Flank. Flank? Flank.
Starting point is 02:13:05 And RIM. Well, and this you've been defeated by the RIM job. That could be the finishing move of RIM. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Rim does the RIM job against Flank. He gave Flank a RIM job and beat him one, two, three. It's ridiculous to have a wrestler named Flank. although it sounds like it would be a brand new women's promotion of Japan based on the name.
Starting point is 02:13:33 They're going to be in a big war with glee. Did you hear Julius going a flank? She'll have gleeet. Well, these are potential names for Adam Copeland. It appears that maybe a couple of them met your approval. Let's get another question here, Jim. Yes, back to the questions. This one was sent via the culticorne at Facebook
Starting point is 02:13:57 group by Nate Pelly. Does Jim have any memories of Peel's Palace in Erlinger, Kentucky? Smokey Mountain Ranch shows there in 94 and 95. I attended my first non-WWF show there, the night Dan Severn defeated Chris Candido for the NWA title. Would love to hear any stories or memories Jim has of the city or venue. Good Lord. Peel's Palace, I wonder if the building is still there.
Starting point is 02:14:31 I bet you the business is out of business. But it came about because Les Thatcher, who had been friends with for ages, and he had started doing the television program when we originally went on the air with Smoky Mountain, Les had a, God, he was managing a gym or doing something in Cincinnati where he couldn't get away on a regular basis.
Starting point is 02:14:55 but he had done some of the live events that we taped for home video and then when he took over co-hosting the television program he knew a guy at a low power station in Cincinnati I think it was Channel 64 that ran several different territory wrestling programs and we got Smoky Mountain on that station the problem was it was a low power station didn't have a big viewership so it's not like we were going to run the Cincinnati Gardens, right? But Les found Peel's Palace was this kind of bar slash nightclub
Starting point is 02:15:35 slash entertainment venue that you could get, I can't remember, I think if we ever maxed it out, which I don't think we did, you could get 800 people in there or whatever. And we could at least open up the Cincinnati market, work with the local TV stations such as it was, you know, try to get another town on the calendar. And we ran a couple of times there,
Starting point is 02:16:03 including, as the questionnaire mentioned, that's where that, you know, we did the Severn Candido match for the NWA title. And it was a dump, but at the same time, we're a, you know, fucking independent wrestling promotion,
Starting point is 02:16:19 looking to break into a new market. Yeah, why did you, if you don't let me ask it, and you did the title switch there, and again, it wasn't really your title, although it was your wrestler holding the title, and it was your show that the title change was on, but was it just that you really hadn't done anything to establish Candido as the NWA champion territory wide? Is that the reason you didn't do it in, like, Johnson City or Knoxville? Well, as I recall, it was basically that maybe, because you knew Dennis, why did they need to switch the belt at that point?
Starting point is 02:16:50 they just made the deal right with several well actually you know what it may have been that but chris won the title november i think november 19th 94 and then was the title switch was it february 95 was it that late i think it may have been early 95 when did he go and become a body dana well oh that was much later on that year but see what the deal was was remember the reason why that chris won it was because they had to have a second tournament because paul and Shane Douglas fucked the NWA over and fucked Dennis over with the ECW deal.
Starting point is 02:17:26 That's right. So then they needed a champion so they wanted to put it on Candido and then they made a deal with Dan Severn because Dan had the international reputation and was legitimate and, you know, blah, blah, blah. But then as far as I can recall,
Starting point is 02:17:42 the reason why it was done there is they had a date on Dan. They needed a place for Chris to lose the title to Dan and I think Dennis basically said, where are you guys running February 25th or whatever the date was? I said, yeah, we're in Erlanger, Kentucky
Starting point is 02:17:59 on the outskirts of Cincinnati at Peel's Palace. That's probably the most complicated it got. If it had been Knoxville on that date, would you have done something or would that have been a problem because it would have been out of sorts with everything you had done in Knoxville? It actually would have not made sense
Starting point is 02:18:17 and also would have robbed us because Candido was figured in, in, you know, various programs, whether it be with the Rock and Roll Express or whatever the case, so it would have hampered us to have to take his regular program match
Starting point is 02:18:34 off our biggest town to put a NWA title match that honestly nobody in Knoxville was going to give a shit about. So that was, it was lucky we didn't have to do that. But anyway, that's, and so Peel's Palace, the point is, to get to the bottom line, a couple of times
Starting point is 02:18:51 and it did okay I can't remember without looking at my records whether we did 500 people both times or whatever the fuck it was but the last time we were going to run it less called
Starting point is 02:19:08 I want to see either the night before maybe even the morning of the show and Knoxville to Cincinnati is probably 260 260 miles whatever but he called he said well the guy peels palace wants to change the deal he wants x more on rent or he wants to do this or whatever and so what's the for the day of i said no we we've had an agreement on how much the rent
Starting point is 02:19:36 was going to be on the building and the financial deal on the building and we've advertised this show and it's tonight if he wants to raise the rent for the next show then that's fine. We just won't come back because we ain't setting the world on fire there anyway but no, he has to stick to the agreement that we've got for the show
Starting point is 02:19:57 that's starting in fucking less than 12 hours and let's call back and said, well, he won't. I said, well, and tell him fuck him and we ain't coming. So I called Hilderbrand and we called all the guys that we could get a hold of and told him not to go
Starting point is 02:20:16 the show was canceled. But. Oh, I remember the, it just hit me what happened. Is this when, well, I don't want to spoil it. The people that didn't get the memo
Starting point is 02:20:26 or actually, they got it and they still wanted to go. That's what I remember too. They still went even though they knew it was canceled. New Jack and Mustafa, they had made plans because they were going to go up there and I don't know if they had girls
Starting point is 02:20:42 or they were going to fucking party or whatever, but they went anyway, and Delo, went with them. And the fucking guy that ran the building ended up calling somebody who knows who and having some kind of outlaw
Starting point is 02:20:54 show there that night since people were coming to see wrestling. And New Jack and Mustafa said Delo New Jack did it on Delo's behalf because Delo was still new. From what I understand, strong armed
Starting point is 02:21:10 their way onto the show to get a payoff. And in the hotel next door later that night that's where Jack and DeLo got in a fucking fight and New Jack punched him and again poor DeLo was new at this point didn't want to fucking rock the boat and fight everybody
Starting point is 02:21:28 and get fired and everything but what it and then Hildebrand calls me the next day and said well they had a show and New Jack and Mustafa worked it as a what yeah they went up there anyway Jesus Christ but that was Peel's Palace and Erlanger Kentucky, right off the interstate on the way to Cincinnati. How far from Louisville?
Starting point is 02:21:51 90 miles, maybe. Is that the closest you got to home on a Smoky Mountain show? Yes, as a matter of fact, that would be. Technically, because even though we were in eastern Kentucky, that's still farther away than the suburbs of Cincinnati are from Louisville. Well, Jim, a lot of people, as we are recording their Sunday, this in, so I'm trying to catch up on it live. Triple H
Starting point is 02:22:18 reveals W.W.E's newest championships for their top independent wrestling prospects. Oh, Christ, now they're adding belts. This is from cagesidesseats.com by Sean Reuter. WWE is adding a new
Starting point is 02:22:34 layer to their developmental system with WWE ID, a program for independent wrestlers and schools and evolved. a new streaming show that will showcase ID wrestlers along with NIL talents and existing members in the NXT roster who aren't being used on that show.
Starting point is 02:22:57 But stop there for a moment. Evolve was the promotion that Gabe Sapolsky started, I believe, after Ring of Honor, right? Yes, and I think, because Gabe's worked for them for years now, so I think didn't they buy the rights to evolve or, buy something where they could, at one point they were going to do something on the early network with some independent shows. And I think that may have been going to be part of that. Well, Gabe's there now. You have to wonder how involved he is. Again, I don't know too much about evolve and this. But what do you think? Well, it seems awfully coincidental.
Starting point is 02:23:35 What do you think of the idea of a streaming show, which nowadays is as good as a TV show in a of cases, but you're featuring independent talent, NIL talent, which is basically people who have no wrestling background, they're athletes who you tried to get and craft, as well as
Starting point is 02:23:51 people in NXT, but not on NXT's TV. What do you think of the idea of introducing a new show and now titles? We'll talk about the titles, but a new show for this. There's a wide range of competency
Starting point is 02:24:07 level among the people you just mentioned. If it's people that have been in NXT but aren't being featured right now on that particular program, they've still probably got plenty of training. If it's indie guys, they could be great. You could find the diamond
Starting point is 02:24:23 in the rough, the undiscovered jewel, or you could find the turd in the punch bowl and MB the shits. And if it's, you know, name, image, likeness, whatever, you know, the coming generation that hadn't been trained yet at all.
Starting point is 02:24:42 Do you want, do you not only if somebody's worth something in the future and you think they might have potential, do you want people to see them when they really suck when they don't know what they're doing? And there's nothing that looks faker and more embarrassing than people who have never done wrestling before trying to do it in front of people who know what wrestling is supposed to look like. So that kind of is all over the spectrum to me And I would have to know more about what they're going to have people doing
Starting point is 02:25:18 To be able to figure out Whether it might be fucking bowling shoe ugly as J.R. used to say Or, you know, or what? Well, according to Twitter, Triple H has tweeted out this morning a couple hours ago A picture of him with two new belts, a white one and a black one, showing WWIID, all the old belts on the wall behind him,
Starting point is 02:25:43 they look a lot better than these new ones. The top independent wrestling prospects have been ID'd. And now we're ready to spotlight the best of the best. Here's your first look at the men's and women's WWIID championships. And then WWEID retweeted that.
Starting point is 02:26:08 The first WWID championships will be determined in a tournament across the top independent wrestling promotions. The WWID championships will then be defended on the Indies. Stay tuned to this account for more news soon. Is this an official... It's at WWIID. It's got 45... I don't know if this is an official thing now that I look at it.
Starting point is 02:26:34 So let's... Wait a minute. Is this just been a whole fucking rib? No, no, the Triple H thing is right, but the idea it's going to be defended on the Indies. Let me see if I could find any... Well, it sounds to me like they're trying to get a foothold. They want all the talent under their auspices in some respect or another that they can get from the locals and the Indies.
Starting point is 02:26:57 They don't want them dealing with AEW. They're also protecting themselves even more from antitrust, monopoly, independent contractor, harassment, blah, blah, blah. And they're getting the, the nerd fan that lives on the internet and lives and dies with this stuff. They're getting them more
Starting point is 02:27:21 beholden to them than they are to Tony Kahn, who was their previous darling, because Tony's fucking up. And you're cutting off Tony's pipeline. That's the other thing. They're locking down all future talent. Oh, I almost had a heart attack there. I thought you said they were cutting off. Tony's pipe.
Starting point is 02:27:39 That would be fake. But they're doing all those things and they can because they're making all that money and for their their main audience may not ever even see this stuff. Because they can't watch three hours of Smackdown, two and a half
Starting point is 02:27:56 hours of Raw and the three hour pay-per-view every four weeks and the fucking Saturday night's main event and the blah blah and the NXT and that's special. And now they're going to watch this. A lot of people won't see it. but their presence is still there. This is like pro wrestling USA for the Indies
Starting point is 02:28:13 if Vince owned it. That's what it is. Let's get all the Indies together and we'll own everything. And then we'll take all their best talent and then they won't be drawn anymore either. Well, you know what? On the other hand,
Starting point is 02:28:28 again, it'll all be for a WWE system that's an issue. But if it causes WWE to invest money in finding real promoters, developing real independent, but it probably won't. But are they going to make that effort or are they just finding the talent
Starting point is 02:28:44 and they don't care whether it's, you know, Moon Mullins fucking running the show where they found him from? And here's the thing there's not going to be because a lot of people are going to say, wait, Cornet, your promotion worked with the WWF. Yeah, we got the Undertaker
Starting point is 02:29:03 and we got Steve Austin and we got back at the Steiner, brothers, you know, we got names on our shows, so that was kind of worth it. But I don't know if getting the next generation of indie superstars on your indie show just because they're been blessed by the WWE is going to sell a lot of tickets for you. Well, we'll see what happens and we'll see who gets crown the ID champion, who gets carded. but Jim after all this talk and we're almost on the way home
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Starting point is 02:34:51 That's the promo code, 50% off and free shipping. All right, Jim, let's get a few more things before we get out of here. This email was sent at corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Zane. Hello, Jim and Brian. Hello, Zane. A high school in a town near me, Butternut, Wisconsin, has the nickname the Midgets,
Starting point is 02:35:16 supposedly named after a famous wrestler from the 20s and 30s from the area by the name of Charles Fisher, otherwise known as the Milwaukee Midget. I'm curious if Jim knows anything about Mr. Fisher, or if there are any interesting stories regarding him that he has heard. Jim, any stories about the Milwaukee Midget, Charles Fisher?
Starting point is 02:35:39 From the 1920s. And 30s. And 30s. And 30s. He had a long, illustrious career. I've never, no. How many ways could I say no? Did they even have midget wrestling in the 20s and 30s?
Starting point is 02:35:56 Did they start to, was the, they started doing like the, the mud matches and the, you know, the battle royals and the tar and feather matches and everything in the 30s and into the 40s because of the slump in World War II, but did they do midgets until the 40s? You know, this may sound crazy because it is. I think I may have the largest collection of midget wrestling photos that are actually filed in alphabetical order in the world, so I will see if I could find out anything about, it's either one of two things. Many of them Tony Lanzas, I bet, because he was in Montreal.
Starting point is 02:36:33 Absolutely. So we'll find out one of two things. Either there was a wrestler named the Milwaukee Midget Charles Fisher or this Zane hates some guy named Charles Fisher. It was like, hey, listen to the Cornette show. They're going to talk about you old man. Little old man. How long is it take for you to live down being born in nut butter, Wisconsin? No, butter nut, butter nut. Oh, oh, well, that may change things slightly. All right, well, we hope we answered your question there. Zane. Zane, it was. Jim, our next email sent to corny dry-thru at gmail.com from Barrett in Washington, North Carolina. Jim, hope you're doing great.
Starting point is 02:37:15 My grandfather worked tugboats along the East Coast and on the Gulf of Mexico throughout the 80s and 90s. He was telling a story over a Saturday dinner and mentioned working with dusty roads as deckhands out of New York during the late 80s, as he recalled. Now, wait, what? My grandfather met him, initially playing pool with the rest of the boys, and asked him why he was working on a boat, where his money all went, to which, says he're Rusty, to which Rusty replied, Whiskey and Women.
Starting point is 02:37:50 Just curious if this lines up with what you know about Dusty, and if you know of any other lines of work, Dusty may have had. So after the NWA, after he lost his booking job, he decided to go out and work the tugboats and he you know I swear I think I've told this story before but it's like we went to have years ago
Starting point is 02:38:16 the heating and air guy came to do my furnace service or whatever and he saw one of the posters on the wall the mass superstar and he said yeah I used to live next door to him I said oh really yeah down in Bowling Green that's where he's from said well
Starting point is 02:38:32 I think that On a poster, that's probably a different mass superstar. He'd say, yeah, this guy was the original. You know, people tell their family members' stories of them having interactions with famous people. And sometimes they truly believe them. Like the, you know, the mass superstar, you couldn't tell. He didn't know what he looked like without his mask on. But the fake Stan Lane in Memphis.
Starting point is 02:39:03 But maybe there was no thought applied. Maybe there was just some fat guy with a white afro playing pool with his friends and some guy runs up to him. Hey, are you dusty roads? Yeah, sure. Where's your money go? What are you doing here at the pool hall in New York on the dock? Whiskey and women. Ah, it sounds about right.
Starting point is 02:39:22 Good to meet you, Dust. See you on the boat. There may be an element of that also. Remember when, oh, God damn it, who did they say it was Ozzy Osborne? introduced him at a garden show and it looked like Dana Carvey in a wig doing a rib. Sammy Hagar right after he was named the lead singer of Van Halen. Yeah. See, Cal Rudman was involved.
Starting point is 02:39:46 Whatever happened there, Cal Rudman, as soon as the guy gets out of the ring, like, gives him a hug and escorts him in the back. So, and that's like the end of Cal Rudman's run doing anything with WWE. So who knows what happened? It looked like Dana Carvey in a wig to me. Was that before Dana was anybody? that was 1985. Dana would go on to be on SNL maybe a year later, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't him.
Starting point is 02:40:10 So Cal Rudman just put in a fucking fake Sammy Hagar to give his notice. That's what I've always wondered. Did he tell them, I've got Sammy Hagar here. It's great. He wants to come out and say hello. And it was just some fucking flabby guy in a wig gets in the ring and
Starting point is 02:40:26 in no way was anyone who knew anything about rock and roll because the people pop for it. They hear there's a rock star there. But anyone who knew anything, based on look and sound, it wasn't him. And for the younger folks in the audience, Cal Rudman was a Philadelphia personality. Cherry Hill, Cherry Hill, New Jersey.
Starting point is 02:40:46 Well, okay, Cherry Hill. People will probably know the Philadelphia fucking general area better than Cherry Hill, but it's nevertheless, it's very close. And he did wrestling announcing in the spectrum and some of the stuff for the WW, WF back 70s, early 80s,
Starting point is 02:41:06 but he was primarily, you may know the exact, but he was a music industry expert as far as with one of the magazines and one of the... Friday morning quarterback. He was actually his magazine. Yeah, it wasn't Billboard or whatever,
Starting point is 02:41:22 but his primary job was in the music business in that respect. Yeah, anyone wants to learn more about it. There's actually a great book called Hitman about the era of, independent promotion guys and that era of record executives. They have a whole bunch about Cal Rudman in there. Check that out.
Starting point is 02:41:39 But all right, let's move on now, Jim. I don't think it was Dusty on the dock. All right, it wasn't Dusty on the dock? Jim, we have another question here. This was sent via the Cult of Cornett Facebook group by Johnny Sousa. Hi, Jim. I've heard you speak about the many tag teams from the 1980s. the one team that I haven't heard much about
Starting point is 02:42:04 is the team of the Batten brothers were they good workers what kind of guys were they backstage also were Dennis and Bobby fine with putting the brothers over for the Central States titles thanks for any insight you share yeah
Starting point is 02:42:23 Bart and Bradbatten were I think they were identical twins I had trouble telling them apart but they were twin brothers from West Virginia. And they actually, when we opened Smoky Mountain Wrestling, we got TV in Beckley, West Virginia, which was right near where the batons were from. And even though the heavenly bodies,
Starting point is 02:42:48 Stan Lane and Tom Pritchard, were working with the fantastics in Tennessee and Eastern Kentucky or whatever, we did a special little program with the batons in West Virginia, because people knew who they were there. They were very good, solid workers, good baby faces. They were short. They were vertically challenged back at a time
Starting point is 02:43:14 where that meant more than it does today. How short? Well, I mean, like, 5-8? I remember 5-8, 5-9, something like. They weren't a big team, but at the same time, they were about the same size of Fantastics. Fantastic were a little flashier, a little bit more, you know, widespread reputation.
Starting point is 02:43:34 But Bart and Brad were good workers, and they were another couple of guys that were just victimized by the constriction of the business when all the territories went away. They were solid territory baby faces as a team or as individuals, but they weren't going to go up and light the two national companies on fire, and that's pretty much most of what there was. as far as putting them over
Starting point is 02:44:00 I've told that story when they they sent us up there from Dallas to the Kansas City territory and we worked a couple of shows with Marty Janetti and Bulldog Bob Brown and St. Louis and Kansas City after Muchnik had retired
Starting point is 02:44:19 and it was so just so depressing up there and nobody was making any money and we spent more even though they got us a plane ticket by the time that we flew up there one day rented a car, got a hotel room,
Starting point is 02:44:35 worked a show, drove to the next town, worked that show, got another hotel and turned a car in and flew home. It was three days of our lives and we came out in a hole because we only got like 80 bucks a night. And so
Starting point is 02:44:50 that when they called to book us back we were already in Charlotte. and no I take it back they didn't call to book us back they had booked us back from the Dallas office but in between the time they booked us and the time that the shows were coming up we had given our notice in Dallas and gone to Charlotte so Bob Brown calls me up and says hey you guys are still coming right I said Bob I said I got to be honest with you last time three days of our lives fly from Dallas up there. Now we're going to come from Charlotte. We only got, I think we got
Starting point is 02:45:28 100 bucks a night or whatever. I said, we've got to have 200 bucks apiece to come to this show in Kansas City. Let me get back to you. He got with Bob Geigel and I'm sure they, you know, agonized over it. And then called me back and said, okay, you got it,
Starting point is 02:45:47 $200 a piece. And we were just doing Kansas City, not St. Louis. And we get there. it's a tag team tournament. They had us working four times and putting the batons over in the finals. We beat all their other teams and we're never coming back there.
Starting point is 02:46:04 They were just so desperate to get their one team over international stars as we were that they had us beat their other baby face teams and their heel team in the same night and then put the batons over.
Starting point is 02:46:20 But we ended up getting 50 bucks a match. So that was a rib But no we didn't mind putting them over Because it was Kansas City And nobody was there And it aired on their television Which nobody was watching And we just wanted to go home
Starting point is 02:46:38 But Tibetans were nice guys You used them in Smoky Mountain didn't you? Yeah I just said that a minute ago Because they were from West Virginia You weren't listening to a word I said were you? I was. I got very into the Kansas City story. Ah, yeah, because we can. That's where the origination of the term we Kansas Cityed ourselves. Whenever you're going to do something that you don't really want to do to begin with
Starting point is 02:47:05 and you certainly don't want to have to do it again, don't do a fucking good job the first time. We went in and still had good matches and they tried to bring us back. We Kansas Cityed ourselves. Well, Jim, let's wrap up here today with a little bit from the files, for the files, from the files, in the files. Mildred Burke, the file for Mildred Burke I have in the wrestling news archive. Ah, the subject of the Queen of the Ring movie in which I am starring in a scintillating part with the premiere taking place Tuesday, February 25th at AMC Stony Brook in Louisville
Starting point is 02:47:42 with many of the stars, including myself, where I will put my handprint, footprint, and dick print and cement right out in front of the theater before the showing because they've just redone the parking lot if I wait too long the cement will dry how the hell are you going to do that you're going to just lay in the cement or are you going to individually put your put your hands down then your feet down and your dick down i'm just going to kind of fall face first and waller around in it for a little while it sounds like a happening be there folks but jim let's go to the mildred berg file it's a bunch of interesting things in here here's a folded up copy sunday July 8th, 1990 from the National Sports Daily,
Starting point is 02:48:21 wrestling with the devil by Frank DeFord. Mildred Burke created a sport and became its greatest champion, all in spite of the man, her husband, who was trying to destroy her. So there's a little bit of, from 1990, the story was already starting to get out there. Well, of course, Frank DeFord, the mentor in the journalism category of our friend Uncle Day.
Starting point is 02:48:46 he was the guy that Dave looked up to. Yeah, but when you put it like that, people are going to dismiss it. He's a legend in terms of sports journalism. Well, I didn't say Dave could replicate that tie said he looked up to him. Frank DeFord was a big-time sports writer. Dave wanted to be like Frank. Don't be like Dave, folks. Be like Frank. I have a stack here of original Mildred Burke 8x10s, all stamped with the ring on the back of it.
Starting point is 02:49:14 That's back from the Nat Lubet days. Here's another one, this one, Mildred Burke World Champion Wrestler, 1955, another 8x10. Here's an interesting letter. It's kind of a part of a two-part thing here. January 1st, 1973, and this is also initialed at the bottom, I, Marilyn Bender, do hereby make the following statements of my own free will and will declare it to be the absolute truth. Mildred Burke, the manager for the following girl wrestlers,
Starting point is 02:49:53 Betty Mahaffney, aka May Weston, Opel May Ernst, aka Rita Bennett, Gilda Marie Vanyone, Marie Vanyon, and myself, Marilyn Bender, booked us all in the state of Kentucky, for a Mr. Saul Wiengroff and a Mr. Phil Golden. Phil Golden, Marie Vanyone or Vanyoni, was the girl that Phil Golden's All-Star Wrestling
Starting point is 02:50:25 was using as their women's champion. They would have four matches on all these outlaw cards. It'd be a tag match, a single match, a girl's match, and an opening match of either two midgets or two guys from the tag match. and she was used on almost all the shows and May Weston, not to be confused with May Young,
Starting point is 02:50:52 May Weston was one of the pioneer girl wrestlers that worked with Mildred Burke years before, but she had become Maugh Bass and was like a Maher type but was the manager of Ron and Don the Bass Boys. And she used to get so much heat she got him shot at. Did you get to see her?
Starting point is 02:51:12 On TV, but not ever live. But on TV you got to see her. Yeah, she had, God, I think it was a cane that had a lid tip on it and dressed in the western string tie sometimes in the hat and Ron and Don Bass were either from Oklahoma or Texas or whatever and the cowboy types. That was real early in both of their careers.
Starting point is 02:51:34 And, but anyway, yes. So the point is, because, they were an outlaw group and Saul Weingroff was booking probably for Phil Golden they couldn't get Mullah's talent so they went to Mildred Burke who
Starting point is 02:51:50 in the early 70s was trying to train her own girl stable to try to replicate the glory days and these girls that are being talked about here were those girls and she did send them at one point
Starting point is 02:52:05 on a tour of Japan for it was the IWA at that point, right? The third group over there. When we go back to this letter, Mildred Burke told May Weston that she could keep all her money if she would look after her business and send back the booking fee
Starting point is 02:52:25 from the other three girls. May Weston immediately started to double cross Mildred Burke by telling the girls that our contract with Mildred was no good and could be broken at any time. As Mildred Burke's contracts read 25% to manager after transportation, she said she would book us for 10% and drive us around to the matches.
Starting point is 02:52:52 Hold on. We stop there. What do you think of that? Mildred's deal was 25% and then May I said she'll do it for 10% and she'll drive them. Well, Ed, could Mildred's debt, that was Moolah's deal, wasn't it? 25%, maybe a little more if she could get it. but Mae West is like no fuck you I'll do it for less and I'll drive you
Starting point is 02:53:12 and she wanted to take over the girls so she could get the girls booked in all of those towns and Mildred Burke at the time wasn't she living in California that's right it was just it was her name and her reputation especially in Japan but in some of these
Starting point is 02:53:28 outlaw groups that got the girls booked but May Weston was the one on the ground that had been with her since the but now she's thinking I can take this thing over from Mildred. Back to Marilyn Bender's letter here. May Weston also said that Mildred Burke would soon be out of business. And no time did she let us know that she was permitted to keep all her money
Starting point is 02:53:54 and still complained about the contract. We were overcharged on our transportation, and at times she opened our envelopes, and we did not even know how much we really had been. paid, but had to take her word for it. We did not know that we had worked for six weeks before May Weston sent any bookings to Mildred Burke or even contacted her only one time at Mildred Burke's insistence. Everything she did, or said, was detrimental to Mildred Burke's business and moral character,
Starting point is 02:54:31 even to the point of causing friction between Mildred Burke and the promoters. for one thing, knocking all of Mildred Burke's other girls in order to keep her from getting any more bookings for this or any other area. One instance, I know for a fact, that Mildred Burke had booked a new girl into Kentucky to replace me when I had to leave for Japan. Her name was Valerie Griffin. I know that Saul Weingroft had agreed to this booking because I heard them talking about using her in a time. tag team match, excuse me, in tag team matches. When the girl arrived, she was told that Mildred Burke had not booked her there, and she was stranded. After several weeks, she was, Jesus,
Starting point is 02:55:21 after several weeks, she was given a few shows so that she could return home, still believing that Mildred Burke had lied to her about being booked. I know that she was booked, because I heard the promoter and et cetera, talking about the booking of Valerie Griffin. I personally intend to let Valerie Griffin know that Mildred Burke did not lie to her. Let me stop it here for a second. Again, dated January 1st, 1973.
Starting point is 02:55:52 What are your thoughts on this women's wrestling drama here? Outside of the Moola Camp, less popular, less publicized than the Moola Camp, all this happening? Well, I mean, again, it's, you know, somebody trying to undermine a booking agent and take their talent away through hook or crook and then make a profit by turning around and booking them with the promoters. That's as old as wrestling.
Starting point is 02:56:13 And the thing with Mildred, or the girl getting stranded and not having a way home, I'm wondering, did they just have her sleeping in a fucking sleeping bag under the overpass, or they let her hang around in this town for a couple of weeks to starve her to the point, where she'd take the job of blah, blah, blah, blah. But the same thing happened to the headbangers once.
Starting point is 02:56:41 When they were the spiders before they came into, I think it was before they came to Smoky Mountain. They went to Arkansas for Bert Prentice, where he had started a territory, and they were working six nights a week in his territory for very little money. But then one morning all the wrestlers woke up, and Bert was gone,
Starting point is 02:57:03 and the territory was closed and some of them didn't have enough money to get home. I think that maybe they came to Tennessee from Arkansas because it was halfway to New Jersey, at least they'd be further home. But sometimes you'd get stuck in those days. Back to Marilyn Bender's letter slash declaration, there is no doubt in my mind
Starting point is 02:57:29 that May Weston is trying to steal Mildred Burke's business girls and even her champion that she has spent three years trying to build up we are speaking of Marie Vanyone is that how you pronounce that I'll I'll go with that V-A-G-N-O-N-E for those of you who are wondering why we're
Starting point is 02:57:50 trying to figure it out who has now sent in her written notice to quit wrestling it is unfortunate that May Westie and apparently she did because he never heard from her again It is unfortunate that May Weston is Marie Van Yon's aunt. I'm signing, it's all just so incestuous. I'm signing these statements in the hopes that it will stop some of the injustice
Starting point is 02:58:16 that May Weston is doing to Mildred Burke, who has a legal contract sanctioned by the California State Athletic Committee. These contracts are valid worldwide and apply to May Weston, Opal Ernst, aka Rita Bennett, Marie Van Yohn, as well as myself. Mildred Burke has many girls, and most of them are better wrestlers than any of those mentioned above,
Starting point is 02:58:45 including myself. Including me! In my opinion, May Westin should be made to pay her percentage of her booking fee to Mildred Burke for all of her matches in Kentucky, as she did not look after the business, to Mildred Burke, excuse me, to Mildred Burke's best interest, but to bring her great harm,
Starting point is 02:59:08 I know I was there. I was there. I knew that's the way it was going to end up. I know who you are and I saw what you did. Obviously it ended up in this file, but we don't know who it was sent to and how it got here. So it's an interesting little artifact. Here's a picture of Mildred Burke and May Weston. Here's a one and only world champion girl wrestler Mildred Burke,
Starting point is 02:59:33 eight by ten with her famous belt. Here's her sunbathing. Mildred Burke, world champion lady wrestler, sun tanning at her California home. A lot of these photos or photos you may have seen. Here's Mildred. You know, do you have any May Western bikini photos? From what I remember, they used to put those in prison to cure the sex offenders. Here's a photo of Mildred Burke with a headlock on Al Jolson of radio and screen fame.
Starting point is 02:59:59 and as I go through these He said Mammy! Again, lots of photos from all over the place Some of these are labeled. I am looking for Here's an article on Queen of the Mat but this appears to be quite old. Here is something from the desk of Stanley Weston.
Starting point is 03:00:19 He appeared to doodle a lot. Lots of drawings of men on here. Here's a girl wrestler Mildred Burke's protege Holly Howard girl wrestler Sun Valley, California. It's a picture of her with a man in an airplane spin. You familiar with Holly Howard at all?
Starting point is 03:00:39 Never heard of Holly Howard, or Holly Hawk, for that matter. But that was, unfortunately, what the last, you know, 15 or 20 years of Mildred Burke's involvement in wrestling was, was living in California as a kind of a kindly grandmotherish type, training girl wrestlers that didn't really ever go anywhere or make any names because she was shut out from booking them anywhere important. There's some black and white photos that aren't even good or, I mean, some of them are blurry, but they're all stamped for booking, contact worldwide women's wrestling association.
Starting point is 03:01:19 The WWWA, yes. Van Nuys, California, or call Middard, or call Mildred Burke. And it has her phone number with a 213 area code. A lot of these are stamped. And a lot of these feature women I've never seen before in wrestling. And an older Mildred Burke, it's weird seeing her with the belt as a little old lady. Here's a picture. This is from a tribute to Jim Lundas.
Starting point is 03:01:50 It's Mike Mazzirke, Mildred Burke, Jim Lundas, and George Pernassas. while Jim Landa's cuts a cake. And then there's another one here. George Parnassus, Mike Merzherke, Mildred Burke, Jane Shirel, Scarlett, Hardy Crust Camp, and Ramafranco. So this tribute to Jim Landa, sounds like a real party. Yeah, boy, I tell you what,
Starting point is 03:02:18 they stayed up till all hours that night. So I got these photos here of a protest in front of the Olympic auditorium, and I got the letters that correspond to it. The main event at the Olympic was Rivera versus John Tolos, Victor Rivera versus John Tolos, roller games Saturday and Sunday, and Mildred Burke and her women wrestlers are in their, well, they're in their gear, she's just dressed like an old lady, but they have placards.
Starting point is 03:02:48 We want minimum pay of $50 for each girl per night. Another sign says, unfair to local. talent. Another sign says, we want equal rights for women wrestlers. Mildred Burke holding up a sign that says, if you like girl wrestlers, please write to Governor Ronald Reagan, Sacramento. And then another sign, we want a girls wrestling match on every wrestling event. These photos were taken by a photographer Phil Miller, Highland, California. Well, and that's the thing at that time. That was 1975 if the main event was Rivera and Tolus, right?
Starting point is 03:03:32 73. 73. Sorry, I was two years off. That in 1973, if memory serves me correct, like the Iron Chef, was where they lifted the ban in New York on women's wrestling. Mula made the first appearance in the garden. Was there a ban on women's wrestling in Los Angeles? Angeles at that time, or was it just as I'm, because I remember seeing pictures of Mullah's
Starting point is 03:04:01 girls and Peggy Patterson and et cetera in the Olympic auditorium, was it just they weren't using Mildred Burke's wrestlers? And she wanted to push the issue. Why won't you book local talent? We live in California. They're bringing these girls in from South Carolina, that type of thing. So the earlier letter I read was from January 73. This Phil Miller letter is from June 11th, 73, so later in a year, six months later. Dear Norm, got your first issue under the new format. Looks really good. Incidentally, I received two copies, so check your mailing list.
Starting point is 03:04:43 And close there are a couple of stories. Norm, I wish you would really blast Mildred Burke. for her tactics in trying to get her incompetent girls' work in L.A. In case you're not familiar with the case, here's the background. A couple of years ago, Mildred started a girls' wrestling school in North Hollywood. While Mildred was a great wrestler in her day, she's in no physical condition to teach wrestling personally, and the girls she trained were really exceptionally poor workers.
Starting point is 03:05:18 The Olympic used two of them, and found them so bad that the guarantee was paid after the first match and they were dismissed, not finishing the five shows covered by the money. Let's stop there for a second. So they were booked for the Olympic, a five match guarantee to use women wrestlers. They were so bad that Michael Bell, who was really famously, you know, tight with a buck, he was like, you know what, just keep the money, don't come back. Yeah, well, and obviously they had them come in for a week.
Starting point is 03:05:52 The deal for five shows, that would have been a week in the L.A. territory. And, you know, they said, oh, fuck, we can't put this out in front of people again. Here, just go away. When the forum tried competition to the Olympic, Mildred had several of her girls on the two cards the forum had before they shut down. This double-cross angered Michael Abel, and he would not use Mildred's girls, even though she had acquired contracts
Starting point is 03:06:24 on a couple of good workers trained elsewhere. Finally, LeBelle did use a couple of Millie's girls. Jane O'Brien did quite well. She had received training by Panama Franco. And things... Well, right there, it looked no further. And things for Jane looked good. Then Jane went to Mexico
Starting point is 03:06:47 where she picked up the... Mexican style. Too acrobatic to be believable to American fans. Jane also brought back a Mexican girlfriend, Perla Gonzalez, and caused some sensation in the Olympic by practically performing lesbian acts in the ring. Whatever Lola wants, Lola gets.
Starting point is 03:07:19 Sure, I'll book you guys again. Just don't do anything outrageous. Can you just drop the 69 spot? She's been in that leg scissors for a long time, hasn't she? Let's go back to this letter here. Jane also brought back a Mexican girlfriend, Perla Gonzalez,
Starting point is 03:07:40 and caused some sensation at the Olympic by practically performing lesbian acts in the rig. That finished her with LaBelle. It's well known that except for Panama and War Star, all Mildred's girls are lesbian. Later, Panama and her daughter, War Star, were used in Bakersfield, California. After the match, which was quite good,
Starting point is 03:08:09 Modo, that's Mr. Moto, found out that War Star is only 14 years old. Oh, boy. Millie's gym is open to the public and has large signs on the store-type front. People walk in off the sidewalk, watch the girls' training, and immediately become, in quotes, smart. The girls bring their friends and families to watch, and they get, again in quotes, smart too. About a year ago, Millie made a deal with an L.A. night spot to have her girls' entertainment.
Starting point is 03:08:47 The bout, bouts in quotes, ended with one girl having the top of her tights ripped off, and exposing her breasts. The commission stopped this performance after two shows. Let me stop for a moment. Once again, it sounds like a lot more fun than Moola's girls were at the time. There's a lot going on here. War Star and Panama are the only girls that weren't lesbian, according to Phil. And, of course, War Star was the 14-year-old daughter of Panama.
Starting point is 03:09:17 Is that an uncommon thing? Not necessarily the age, although... What, for them not to be lesbians? No, for a mother-daughter team to work together. Well, no, I've seen a few mother-daughter teams work together, but you're talking about wrestling. Not in the Danny Hodge sense. I'm talking about in a wrestling center. Hey! I actually met one of Danny's mothers and daughters.
Starting point is 03:09:40 And there was a granddaughter by that time. But nevertheless... Stay tuned to the Mid-South schedule as we pick it back up soon. That's going to come into Little Rock in about May or so. Uh, ah. Anyway, back to this, I don't know what was going on with the 14-year-old girl. Well, I mean, see, in all seriousness, and we're not trying to cast aspersions, but Sariah, Paige, her mother is a wrestler also. She was second generation. They made the movie, fighting with my family. How old was Debbie Combs when she started working with her mother?
Starting point is 03:10:22 I would think she would have had to been, you know, maybe she was, she was certainly almost 18, maybe she was 17 in a state that didn't require a, you know, athletic commission license, but she's working against her mother and riding with her mother's, the mother was under a mask. But I've never heard of Panama Franco or War Star, or, War, oh, five, neither one of them have I ever heard of. And so they were just, it was local indie Southern California, Lucia shows in a barn somewhere, probably.
Starting point is 03:11:06 What are your thoughts on, again, this is Phil Miller, he's a photographer. He's not necessarily a promoter or a wrestler. But the photographer is noticing a problem with people off the street and then their family's becoming smart to the business. What do you think of that? Well, I mean, if the photographer has to fucking be the one to report this, I've never heard of Phil Miller as a Southern California wrestling photographer, but maybe he was just doing some independent stuff and kind of on the,
Starting point is 03:11:35 you know, you've heard of Theo Erritt. You've heard of some of the other California photographers. Oh, yes, what was his name? Dan Westbrook. Dan Westbrook, yes. Mike Lano. Well, let's not go too far, cowboy. But, you know, that's why I'm saying is it's the same thing in, especially in indie wrestling,
Starting point is 03:11:58 or as we used to call it in those days, outlaw wrestling, whether it's the East Tennessee outlaws or the Texas outlaws or the, you know, California outlaws, it's just constant drama and bullshit and infighting and nattering at each other and trying to steal a town or steal a talent or just fuck the other person around and you know and just trying to again poor mildred trying to regain the glory day she didn't really train any of those girls the first go round she just sometimes you know those who can't do teach but those who teach are not necessarily the best doers but they're the best teachers. Well, let's go back to this letter from Phil Miller.
Starting point is 03:12:52 In March of this year, the front page of the sports section to the L.A. Times Valley edition had several photos of Millie's girls and an article about the school. In the article, Millie was quoted as saying that wrestling was a show
Starting point is 03:13:07 and that the promoter determined who the winner in each match would be. She also exposed all the wrestling terminology. Oh, Jesus. Babyface, heal, go over, K-fabe, high spot, wow, et cetera, et cetera.
Starting point is 03:13:24 So this shows one of two things, and I don't know which came first the chicken or the egg, but it shows both why the established promoters didn't want to deal with her and or how mad she was
Starting point is 03:13:39 that the established promoters weren't dealing with her. Did she say all those things because she got shut out probably or did they not want to use her because she was saying those things but I think it's the other way around Yeah, is this Mario Galento on the radio? Yeah, it's like fuck you guys, you're fucking me around
Starting point is 03:13:58 and I've put up with this for 15 years Well, here's your goddamn deal In the enclosed photos, note some of the signs unfair to local talent minimum of $50 per night this is disillusioning to fans who believe wrestlers have unusual backgrounds and earn thousands of dollars a week, especially girls. Let's stop there. That's an interesting takeaway.
Starting point is 03:14:25 The idea that them protesting exposes that wrestlers aren't glamorous, successful making lots of money athletes. Yeah, and exactly. And that's what even, you know, they didn't need to put a figure. on the, you know, minimum guarantees or whatever. They didn't need to put a figure on, but some of the guys and girls, especially at the indie level in the business, they don't understand, they think that everybody,
Starting point is 03:14:56 because everybody in their social circle and everybody on their internet bubble thing is smart to the business and knows how much everybody makes and what, you know, how the business works and all this other stuff, the average person, especially in those days, no idea how much a wrestler made.
Starting point is 03:15:17 And to, they did know that baseball players and football players and Joe Namath and these type of people, they're on TV, they're probably doing pretty good, but here the pro wrestlers have to strike to get 50 bucks a night. And then the average jackoff doesn't differentiate between, oh, but, you know, the NWA World Champions in the main event in the Olympic, he's making a fortune and they're just paying these fucking goofy local girls 50 bucks.
Starting point is 03:15:48 It's just everybody's devalued. Back to this letter here. About the only place Millie's girls can work is Japan, where they're used to make the Japanese girls look good knocking them off. Millie has sent 14 and 15-year-old girls with only three or four weeks training to Japan for six or eight-week tours. The Japanese girls just beat them in almost shooting matches. It's crazy seeing all these terms in a letter in 1973.
Starting point is 03:16:18 I don't know if I've ever really seen that before. Millie is also the world's best double cross artist, frequently getting a 50% kickback from promoters, then taking 33 and a third percent from the girls remaining 50%. Recently, two of her wrestlers traveled to Phoenix, stayed overnight and got a grand total of $15 each. I think she's a real liability to wrestling and her operation should be put out of business.
Starting point is 03:16:52 You can check all the above info with Jeff Walton and closed her a couple more photo stories. Well, yeah, would Jeff Walt just happen to be the publicist for the L.A. office that they were striking against, but... I'll shoot some more color soon and send the Nags to you regards Phil. Once again, Phil Miller, June 11th, 73. So they do unto others as they do unto you.
Starting point is 03:17:20 In January, she's getting screwed around, and in June she's screwing somebody else around. That's a wrestling business. Here appears to be the master photo of her and Jack Pfeffer with her and him in the airplane spin. Oh, good Lord. Yeah, see, there's a lot of stuff here you can tell based on the handwriting it came from Feffer. here's a believe it or
Starting point is 03:17:38 Ripley's believe it or not with Mildred Burke Mildred Burke Kansas City, Missouri Champion woman wrestler Never Lost About Can do 80 body bridges in succession Believe it or not And I think that's about it Because the rest of these
Starting point is 03:17:58 Here's a bunch of more photos And here's a bunch of Billy Wolf photos Have you seen the photo of Billy Wolf playing cards by himself I wasn't that reprinted in a a book at some point in the modern era it seems like I remember something about it but not specific it may have been but there it is from the files
Starting point is 03:18:17 Mildred Burke and you know in a period of time where people were going to learn a lot about her you know she really struggled later in life all because of everything that went down everything that people were about to see in the movie you know she didn't die right after the movie yeah no it wasn't over at that point when did she She lived into the 80s, did she not?
Starting point is 03:18:37 I think so. Let me double check that. Hold on. I believe she did. But that was the thing is after... 89. Wow. 1989.
Starting point is 03:18:47 After 1956, her only involvement or presence or impact in wrestling was doing that early 70s, Southern California wrestling school thing that didn't take off. she never was able to get back in anywhere, except in Japan because she was the girl when they discovered pro wrestling. She was the female champion and had a reputation there like Carl Gotch. So that was pretty much it. Well, you know, the interesting thing too from the two letters, obviously a very polarizing figure at that point. There were people that were appreciative of her. I mean, I assume this woman didn't write this declaration under duress.
Starting point is 03:19:30 and then there are people that are working with the office, I guess, that see her a completely other way. And again, I look at it as someone who's struggling to take the one skill she has and make some money with it. Yeah, and that was the thing is that she never was able to do anything again. She was completely shut out after that split on a mainstream basis. You know, that was it. Well, perhaps if Mildred had been around today, she would have sued.
Starting point is 03:20:04 And boy, I'll tell you what, I know somebody that she could have called to stand up for her rights, to fight for her justice in a court of law, to make sure that she had equal protection under the statutes. And I'm talking about the man, the myth, the legend, the bulldog himself. Call Stephen P. New, a mud show or two. Folks, I'll tell you what, if Stephen P. New Law Office.com 87750, Steve had been around back in the days of Mildred Burke. He would have brought her justice.
Starting point is 03:21:02 She would now be as famous as Taylor Swift. If Stephen P. New had been running things, and he can do the same thing for you. he's like a New York haberdasher. If one suit don't fit, he's got another suit that he can try on, and he's going to keep suiting until that suit fits and sticks. Stephen P.new, 87750, Steve, newlawoffice.com. That's right, new lawoffice.com.
Starting point is 03:21:32 And, Jim, before we get out of here, we promised everyone a song this week. So let's play the one that was sent to us the most. It was a version of Not Like Us by Kendrick Lamar, but it's you talking about Jungle Boy. Have you seen this? I saw this and I retweeted it. I didn't, I don't know Mr. Lamar,
Starting point is 03:21:53 and I didn't know this was an actual existing song, but it just, the video that accompanies this song was equally as brilliant and what caught, that it must have taken hours and hours and days and days for them to search through to find these things to fit this. But yes, it is quite a rip snorter. Well, let's get it queued up right now. Can you give me a beat?
Starting point is 03:22:20 Subliminal, lyrical, rap, megastar, cynical, here's Johnny Cornette Lamar, Jungle Jack, son of a TV star. Who the fuck do you think you are? I'm hearing those jungle drums. Used to hang around with chimpanzees. What is his gimmick? He's a homeless bum. Pooh flinging, swinging in the trees.
Starting point is 03:22:41 He's going to sit in one of those little kid's seats. Jungle Jack wanted to use bro. broken glass. Real glass. The medical staff said, We don't think you ought to do that. This is where this fucking clown's heads at. Lil Jack got his panties in a bunch. So it was brought to CM Punk. He said we don't do that on Saturday night.
Starting point is 03:23:00 They're going to Wembley. He grabbed him by the Gooseal Pipe. Real Glass. You, Dicklick. He did not punch a person he choked one little nitwit. Curly-headed, entitled Little Prick. What you think he was gonna do? Dip shit.
Starting point is 03:23:12 Rye, Rye, Rye, Rive be a river. Mine for rest of rest. of a slug and a sewer. You're not a TV star. You're tired. What the fuck? He looks like a miner. Jungle boy sucks.
Starting point is 03:23:29 Jungle boy sucks. Jungle boy sucks. Jungle boy sucks. Jungle boy sucks. Jungle boy sucks. Don't run your fucking yap. Don't fuck around and find out. Jungle Jack.
Starting point is 03:23:40 Boy, you gotta do something about it? Yeah, apparently. Oh my God. He grabbed me. Tony ended up firing his biggest star. Should I send Jack off a Christmas card. Look in my eyes, what do you see? See em, punk, do the WWE.
Starting point is 03:23:54 What's Jack Perry gonna fucking do? Tony. Fire the fucking little goof. Arrogate knob. Indy nitwit. Here's your contract, Jack, rip, rip, rip. Tony went. He made me mad. Send him another check, but don't let him come back.
Starting point is 03:24:09 Jungle Boy sounds fake and like a dork runs and hides because he doesn't like to talk. Homeless Jack living in a box under an overpass? under an overpass on cocaine shot into space Jack is slapping himself in a face he's ready to get butt-fucked by sonado the kookamonga kids mr. Okada and the independent legal team they get through a bucket of Vaseline hey scapegoat nanny go Billy go brick hey sweet chin music you're a fucking kid hey he caused the thing with seeing punk which he did hey this place is a joke
Starting point is 03:24:41 you're a cloud and I quit hey he's got very feminine hips hey he might look good in a bikini bitch hey jesus i'd want to snatch him around a neck hey bland boring mumble-mouthed dress hey jungle boy sucks jungle boy sucks jungle boy sucks jungle boy sucks jungle boy sucks jungle boy sucks look at all this shit that he directly caused punk doesn't have to put up with these children anymore hey hey hey hey hey scared for his life hey hey hey hey hey scared for his life punk can still be on our show the incident at wimbley oh no hey hey hey hey hey Hey, hey, scared for his life. Hey, hey, hey, hey, scared for his life.
Starting point is 03:25:25 Say, OVW. OVW. Say OVW. Step this way. Step that way. Dep this way. Dep this way. Jungle boy is a bell end.
Starting point is 03:25:36 Quite the ending there. That was by Here's Johnny TV. You may remember some of the fine, fine submissions in the past from Here's Johnny TV. Jim Cornett Barry's Jungle Boy. to not like us, it's on YouTube. You need to see the video if you like the song. That was amazing.
Starting point is 03:25:59 Both the audio and the video a work of art. Muhaha. With that gym, the drive-thru is closed. I promise new sounds for the year. Hold on. I think you can go back on a promise every once in a lot. Real quick, a new one this week
Starting point is 03:26:18 and then a new one next week. New sounds. Let's see how this works. How's that? Sounded like a loony tune ran out of fucking battery. All right, well, that's kind of what I was going for.
Starting point is 03:26:40 Of course, you could hear more of this next week here on the drive-thru, and an even better show, promised, guaranteed. He was saying it off the air. It will be amazing this week, better than this, on the Jim Cordette experience. Wherever you find your favorite podcast, don't forget about the official... Oh, I press this again. Let me put it down. Uh-huh.
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Starting point is 03:27:41 Of course, the drive-thru is brought to you by the law of the system. Pino, 877-50 Steve. Get even with Stephen at new lawoffice.com. But until next week on the experience, or this week on the experience, and next week back here on the drive-thru, for Jim Cornett, I'm the great Brian last.

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