Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 383: Jim Reviews AEW Revolution

Episode Date: March 14, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews AEW Revolution! Plus Jim talks reviews Smackdown & Raw's highlights! Also, Jim answers YOUR questions about John Cena breaking Ric Flair's title record, th...e speed of three counts, the logic behind a criss cross, Tiffany, babyfaces tapping out, and much more! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:19 again, friends! I almost nailed it. And you are our friends! And welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornedge Drive-Thru right here on another nice day. It is nice out. Daylight savings. Everything's going on. We have so much to talk about. I don't even know what to say. I don't even have had to say it. I'm your host, the Great Brian Last. That was the theme to the Great Brian Last, and that was a chuckle somewhere deep beyond from this man. The leader of the cult of Cornette, Mr. Hollywood himself, Jim Cornett. Well, you know, Brian, that noise that you just made with your organ sounds almost like the one that you made last week with your organ.
Starting point is 00:01:04 Has your organ gotten bigger over the last week or so? Well, I have different... It sounds like it has more, more oomph to it. See, I made the choice to go with this instead of this, or this. Oh, well, see, So your organ your organ can get bigger and fluctuate in size is what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:01:27 Oh, now it's just a teeny little weenie. This won't be a teeny weenie show. We have a lot to talk about. We have a big review, a revolting or a review of revolution, I should say. Well, misplay of words there. You may have been, what do they call that?
Starting point is 00:01:47 The Freudian slip. you may have been somewhat correct there, but nevertheless, we've only did a show just a couple of days ago and boom, and here we are now again doing a show. And as you'll learn, we've already done some of this show. Later on, you'll hear that we've done before, because we've done some of the middle before we've done the beginning and the end. So we like to do things that way.
Starting point is 00:02:12 If we tie one show behind our back to make it fair with the audience. but at the top of the program here, we've had some feedback on the social interwebs, Brian, both you and me, chastising us ways that we should modify our behavior or some complaint about a recent appearance or incident or whatever, and we both, we need to address these things. You want me to go first with mine or you go first with yours?
Starting point is 00:02:45 Or I'll go first and tell them what yours is. I have no idea where you're going, so this is my show, but somehow do whatever you want. Well, no, now, see, now you're already sounding a... Oh, and he's fiddling with his organ, folks. You already sounded like you just want to go sit down and play with your organ. Ooh! Some people, apparently out there, some instigators, took exception to an offhand remark that you made on a recent program.
Starting point is 00:03:18 I think where we announced that the total package, Lex Lugar, good old package himself, one of my old compadres from the Crockett days, is going to the WWHall of Fame. And they filmed it at DDP's house or DDP had a video out with Lex or what I can't remember even what the context was. But you said, yeah, you know, something like another wrestler that DDP can film and exploit,
Starting point is 00:03:46 that we went on with the thing. It was an offhand remark. It was during the Chris Cruz segment. That's what it was. That's what it was talking to you. Chris Cruz went on like a goddamn 10-minute social media tirade that Lex Lugar should somehow be boiled
Starting point is 00:04:03 in oil and have the fat sold for soap because of the horrible human being that he is. And everybody just went with that, but you say, yeah, and DDP is going to film it and exploit it. there was an online crusade against you. You would have thought I kicked Mother Teresa in the dick based on the reaction you had from people. No, you would have thought DDP is Mother Teresa.
Starting point is 00:04:27 And secretly he's lived a double life. I'm sorry some of you don't like when realities are pointed out. And then you'll hear from people, oh, you're so self-righteous. No, I'm not. I'm righteous. There's a difference. I have cosmic consciousness. Listen to me, people.
Starting point is 00:04:43 He's the cosmic command. Lander, ladies and gentlemen. No, that was someone else. That was Cosmo. He was a really good indie manager and a lead singer of a, I don't know if I should say fine band, but a band. It was certainly a band. But he got over better when he was friends with Jerry Seinfeld.
Starting point is 00:04:59 What I meant to say where I was going is, you know, if you think back to when they did that Jake the Snake Roberts, they called it a documentary, it was a fucking infomercial for DDP yoga. I'm sorry. Every single thing he does, if there's a camera that. you have a little bit of rock syndrome. And then people are like, how could you have a problem with him running?
Starting point is 00:05:20 I don't have a problem with him doing whatever he needs to do with his business. He obviously is doing a great job. He's rebranded three times in 10 years. He's doing a great job. Wait a minute. Hold on now. I didn't want you to pile more abuse on yourself there, son. No, what, here's the thing is my jocularity from it became that not only was it
Starting point is 00:05:42 an offhand comment that somebody lit a fire under somebody to maybe have, you know, organized a militia over it, but also with a bunch of other horrible things have been said about the subject of the clip we were talking about. It seemed an inordinate response. Oh, did you get rid of him? He said a bad thing about DDP. I know. It was like, did we trigger some kind of automatic... Wait a few minutes. I'll make fun of his facelift, too. Uh, no, quit now.
Starting point is 00:06:16 Fuck, some of you. Hey. Oh, I like Alice better. Bring back Alice. Really? Now? Now? Now everybody, everybody our ages had some work done.
Starting point is 00:06:30 Nobody knows since I've been off. I've had my tank tucked. There was a bit of droopage going on. But no, and in all honesty, in all honesty, I'd, no page and he the positively page thing is a gimmick because it's not a gimmick it that's his gimmick because it's him he's so positive about everything and he's got the energy i don't know how the fuck that he has the energy and i don't know how the fuck with that he deals with the goddamn
Starting point is 00:07:01 personalities that he deals with it can't just be for money because i would turn to crime before i would fucking deal with the personalities i agree had to deal with. I agree. I'm not saying it's just for money and I'm not saying he's not a really nice guy. He is a wonderful promoter having said that that is
Starting point is 00:07:21 constantly thinking of new and different ways to promote his positivity. Respect my positivity. Yeah, it's one thing him working with a wrestler and helping them get their life back on track
Starting point is 00:07:37 one way or another. And then you don't hear about it until it's done. It's another thing when all of a sudden there's a camera there. Like, you know, hey, Lex, you're down and out. Can I film this? It'll inspire people to see you sitting there.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Look, I'm sorry that people were offended by it. I'm sorry people were offended by jokes every now and then, but also looking, you know, look at the reality of it. I'm not saying Dallas Page isn't a nice guy for helping some of these guys out, but I'm also saying some of it may be engineered to help out himself too. Thank you. And I'm telling you what, and, you know, all they need to do to get into the, the, the, the, the, the, the crib there is just fill out that form for that life insurance policy. And it's just a minor signature on some forms, but no, well, we, Jim needs a co-host that can talk about yoga.
Starting point is 00:08:29 He doesn't know what he's talking about. Eat me. Eat me. I already, I already have a host and can tell you're a big baseball fan. you know all about Yoga Bearer. Yoga Barra. Isn't he the one who said, I never met a man I didn't like,
Starting point is 00:08:50 but if I do, it's deja vu all over again? He said it's deja vu all over again. There's a lot of quotes that are attributed to Yogi Berra that he actually didn't say, but he kind of ran with it once the media said that he did. I mean, he was actually a really smart guy for someone whose reputation was he was kind of like
Starting point is 00:09:08 this Neanderthal who just said funny thing. He was a really bright guy. He had you who, obviously, he's a business. He lost the lawsuit, I believe, with, I believe he sued Hannah-Barbera because a Yogi Bear, which is a clear rip-off of Yogi Berra. But I don't think he won because he didn't have a teammate named Boo-Boo, so that hurt him in the case. Back to you, Jim.
Starting point is 00:09:32 Back to me. Well, anyway, speaking of whatever you said, Neanderthal-looking people that say funny things, that say funny things, uh, I am potentially taking a trip this, this summer. Have I, have I told you,
Starting point is 00:09:49 I may have told you that this was dangled in front of me. But, um, and that's, that's one of the things that I'm going to address about, people have been misunderstanding me on the social media. I've seen the comments,
Starting point is 00:10:04 because since we put up the footage from the Queen of the Ring premiere, where I was, obviously looking wonderful and they're ready to be, you know, to accept at least my nomination for an Academy Award for Queen of the Ring, which is right out, right out now, out right now in theaters and potentially drive-ins near you. I'd see it at a drive-in. Under the Stars, it's so much more like a period piece.
Starting point is 00:10:32 But anyway, we put that video up on official Jim Cornette on the YouTube, folks, if you haven't checked it out. And everybody said, well, look, Jim left his house. He left his house. I leave my house all the time. I just don't go anywhere to work so I don't advertise it. Brian, should I advertise Thursday morning? I got to go by Kroger and get some gas
Starting point is 00:10:56 and pick up some extra Sprite Zero and then drop off my dry cleaning. So if anyone wants autograph, start in the meat aisle and then work your way around produce. Yeah, starting to meet, I'll work your way around produce straight to the fucking chocolate. Okay. If you can imagine that trip. And that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:11:19 I'm leaving the house all the time. We've been helping the in-laws or, well, they're not her in-laws. They're my in-laws, and they're her laws, I guess. Stacey's mom and stepfather. Well, he's a law of a different law. But this is all interconnected, folks, in some fashion. We've been helping them move in and et cetera, et cetera. So I'm back of, I just don't have public appearances where people are hearing that I'm
Starting point is 00:11:43 leaving the house, but I do leave the house. So I want to rectify that misconstruction right now. But I've been invited to the Jackfeffer collection at the University of Notre Dame in up there in South Bend, Indiana. And thankfully they had that big fire at Notre Dame. None of the Feffer Collection was damaged. And I've been invited by none other than the OG, as the kids say, of the historians. That means he's old and I don't know what the G stands for, but he was around when this was not a popular thing.
Starting point is 00:12:28 Wrestling historians, Tom Burke is going to be taking a trip and has invited me because now I've got a guide, Brian. because if I'd go up, I've always wanted to see this shit. But at the same time, if I went up there without somebody who's been there before and because it's apparently an amazing amount of stuff, and it takes days and days, it would take weeks and weeks if you just saw every little thing. I need somebody to, I'd be whistling a stranger in paradise, as the cowboy used to say. I wouldn't know whether to wind my ass or scratch my watch.
Starting point is 00:13:05 So now Tom Burke himself, the illegitimate son of Mildred Burke, I'm not going to reveal the dates because now that I am a movie star, you know, in Queen of the Ring and in theaters near you, I don't want to, you know, tell people exactly when I'd be there because I'm afraid that the campus would be mobbed or wherever this library is housed, there would be people outside waiting to get, you know, autographs and pictures and swoon over me. So I'm going to keep that part quiet,
Starting point is 00:13:37 but I got to work out with you when we're going to be recording these fine festivities at that particular time so I can take a couple days off. Grandpa needs a couple of days off. But that'll be fun. I'll report back. I might even do a field report.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Boy, that Tom Burke's a smart guy. He said, which sucker do I know with a car who will pick me up and take me to nurture day? No, I'm not going to know. I'm not going to fucking Massachusetts and I'm meeting him in Notre Dame, Indiana is where I'm meeting him. I'm not going to fucking Massachusetts
Starting point is 00:14:11 and pick him up and carry him out down there and then take him back. You'll see. You're going to end up. Hey, can you give me a lift to the train station? Oh, there's no train station. Can you give me a lift to a little further down the road? Next thing you know, you're in Massachusetts.
Starting point is 00:14:23 No, I'm going to be coming. He can get to Indianapolis. I know they got a train station there. He can come with me to Indianapolis. That's on my way back home. but I will buy him a subway sandwich and give him a hearty hand clasp for the invitation while I'm there. Well, what a gift. Who can say no to that?
Starting point is 00:14:44 Well, you know, I want to be fair about these things. Somebody's going to spend a couple of days of their life, you know, showing me around something. At least I'm going to do is reward them for their efforts. I wouldn't do it for everybody, but Tom, no Tom for 50 years. The reward would be every time he pulls out his camera. Well, there you go. I'm going to have him take pictures of me and all of the things that Jack Feffer once touched. Once, once, once, once touched is what I'm trying to say.
Starting point is 00:15:15 And his aura and his essence and his mustard stains and baloney grease will be on these things as I cling them to my bosom. I have some of his stuff. I wish someone would I take his handwriting and make a font that you could type with. like those block letters he had. I just want to be able to type in that. It looks like somebody trying to write some kind of statement on a cell wall. But the Pfeffer trip, yes, I'll be doing that and more on that to come this summer. And also, I've received criticism, Brian, that is somewhat legitimate,
Starting point is 00:15:56 but at the same time, I believe, a little unwarranted. and I will try to explain when they saw the clips from the Queen of the Ring premiere, I had a number of people tweet me or comment on that my suit was too big. And more specifically, because you really weren't looking at my pants in most of these things. My jacket was a little bit.
Starting point is 00:16:24 I admit my jacket was a little big because think about this, Brian. The last time that I bought, store bought clothes, the last time I bought dress clothes, the last time that I even wore dress clothes, it's been five years now, the times that I've worn dress clothes have been when Dark Side of the Rings shows up
Starting point is 00:16:45 to tape something when I went to the world premiere of a movie and, I guess, when we took Stacey's mother to a birthday dinner a couple of years ago, is when I've actually worn a shirt with a collar and or a jacket and or a tie and or any type of legitimate human apparel. The rest of the time I'm in a T-shirt, a sweatshirt, a sweatpants. So since the last time that I bought the actual clothing that human beings are supposed to own, I was probably about 20 or 25 pounds heavier than I have been for the past few years,
Starting point is 00:17:27 but I've that jacket's been worn about ten times and it was the smallest one I had so I thought I'd get by with it. I like a little room also. Just so you know. Is there anything wrong with that? I thought it looked good. It was kind of the look.
Starting point is 00:17:42 It makes you look like a bigger geek when you have like a bigger jacket and like your head just sticks straight up out of it. Wait a bit, why don't I wouldn't look like a bigger geek? That's your whole gimmick, isn't it? Well, I wasn't trying to do my, I was trying to be my real person there. Oh.
Starting point is 00:17:57 I meant it makes you look, it makes you look distinguished. Uh-huh. If you have like, you know. The distinguished geach. It was the gray. It should be a line of clothing. It was the color. It was the gray.
Starting point is 00:18:10 It was good on you. Well, I wanted it to match my hair. I think black would have been, you wore black a lot in OVW, I guess. Did I ever see you wear black? Maybe a few times in the 80s, but I don't remember any time in the 90s where you wore black. Well, no, no, I had like a black, uh, uh, I had like a black, uh, sports jacket that I would wear with a bright red shirt and the black tie with the black pants and the red shoes sometimes and the blah, blah. I mean, there was a way to work it in.
Starting point is 00:18:37 But OVW, you wore a lot of black. Well, no, actually, no, some of them were black and some of them were navy blue and some of them may have even been a dark gray, but because of the quality of our television production, you could really tell the difference. But it was a lot of different shades in there that just kind of blended in as one. But anyway, so I apologize for being a little baggy around the jacket area. But that's why I just didn't have time to go and buy a new jacket for the premiere. So would you rather have seen me jacket off? Like I said, I just had a shirt and a tie.
Starting point is 00:19:19 I thought you look good. All right, well, see, that's what you're supposed to say. if you want me to do the rest of this program with you. Your acting was good? I don't know about some of the other people he acted with in some of those skits, but your acting was good. Well, basically, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:36 I was just trying to find some drum up some support if the people have seen that particular video, some support from the locals for my quest for the Oscar, and I was rebuffed in a couple of cases. But that was just, that was an anomaly. What anomaly folk look that one up It's not used enough What are you laughing at?
Starting point is 00:20:01 I don't know why But you talking about the premier Made me think of that girl again at the Revolution Paperview we're going to talk about later How confident she was I have something to say And I'm going to say Expose the business more than any
Starting point is 00:20:16 Bandsfield right now This is going to be the most profound thing that I've ever said in public I've workshopped this I've thought about this. And to the one audience that it fell like a turn to punchbowl. See, was Ash trying to go back in to correct her? Like, what she meant to say,
Starting point is 00:20:35 but we never will find out what Ash was going to say there, but she was so confident. She was just so confident saying that. Well, I don't know whether it was that or whether he was going to try to finish saying what he had started saying and then got lost because of the fact that Tony was ignoring the other two ladies who were obviously supposed to be part of this thing.
Starting point is 00:20:58 It was, it was a, you know what Mama Cornette used to say? Poor pre-planning leads to piss poor performance. Did she really say that? That's, and that pretty much sums it up. Just clap your hands and dust them off and you're done. poor pre-planning leads to piss poor performance. All right, well, this is the drive-thru, and of course... So what do you got planned?
Starting point is 00:21:28 Well, what I got planned to do before we get going with any of the fine questions and reviews is talk about the fine items at Jimcornet.com. Cornett's collectibles. How in the world could I even possibly have almost glossed over such an urgent topic as that? Folks, in the month of... What month is this? In the month of March, by Cracky? I'll tell you what you get if you go to Jim Cornett.com and click on the collectibles button.
Starting point is 00:21:52 You will get the behind the curtain amazing graphic novel of true wrestling stories autographed by myself, personalized in any way that you see fit, only $19.95, $5 off the regular price. And if you buy an action figure of any kind, any of my remaining figures or any of the tag team figure sets, a free two-hour classic wrestling DVD from the 70s and 80s all the month of March, courtesy of the inventions of Hotchkis Featherbottom and Cornett's Collectibles at Jim Cornett.com. He invented something the other day while he was talking,
Starting point is 00:22:32 helping set up the audio here. He didn't invent the goddamn thing. No, he did. No, I remember he was over here helping set up this new FACTA audio situation. We got going. A situation. we got going on. And you were talking to him,
Starting point is 00:22:49 and he had the headset, this vice-like headset. And he said, see, there's another thing I've invented. You said, yeah, right, you agreed with him. You don't remember what was it he invented then? I'm trying to think of what it was.
Starting point is 00:23:04 I think that's when he said, this old guy thinks I keep inventing stuff. And I said, yeah, you're right. No, no, no, no, no. He said, that's another thing that I've invented. And you, you, because he said, it in such an entertaining way you laughed and then you said, yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:23:19 See, you agreed with him. Well, get more. Humor like this at Cornett's Collectibles at Jimcornad.com where your packages will be feather packed by the feather bottoms. Isn't that right, Jim? And then they'll be on the bottom of the pack. That's right.
Starting point is 00:23:34 Void in Ontario promo code JCE. Jim, let's move on from here. Of course, we have to talk about revolution. but why don't we first talk about a few segments from SmackDown because like most weeks, the matches don't matter, but the segments where people talk to each other is where things happen, and there were a few things here to everyone wanted to hear what you thought of.
Starting point is 00:23:59 Well, these are the furtherings of the issues that we are all concerned with in today's modern world. And that's the thing. We're going to be heavy with the opposition promotion because of the pay-per-view extravaganza so we want to make sure that we get a little WWE representation in here
Starting point is 00:24:21 because we don't want people to lose track of who's mad at who and why but since over the past what three and a half days between Smackdown at three hours and raw at two and a half hours of
Starting point is 00:24:37 program content time depending on whether you watch it with commercials or not if we try to get minute with this thing, we'll all be here until Thursday. And nobody wants that. However, again on SmackDown,
Starting point is 00:24:53 they're in Philadelphia. It's sold out. There's 16,728 people. Who says live theater is dead? That's what they're coming to see. There's a commercial right now that's playing during the programs for they're bringing raw to louisville in uh may may 11th or 12th there's one date or
Starting point is 00:25:20 another it just has highlights and not even a voiceover really as much as a couple of statements uttered raw is coming and in the music and the highlights hey louisville get ready and in the I'm thinking, they're not advertising. There is talent that pops up and says, get ready or we're coming or whatever. But nobody promises to be there. They're not telling you shit. They're not promoting a match.
Starting point is 00:25:56 I assume it's the same way. And I haven't watched Philadelphia local television to see if they've got commercials saying, don't miss the big fucking showdown between, to Zawa and Chad Gable, whatever the fuck, but they're just coming to see the big stars talk to each other and just the spectacle of the program at this point because they don't even know what they're going to fucking see.
Starting point is 00:26:23 This is ridiculous, is what I'm saying to you. I think for the most part, depending on the show, you have a general idea who will likely be there. Now, sometimes someone's not there until the next week. There are certain people like the Rock and Sina who you know aren't on a normal schedule, even Roman Rang. But if he was going to show up anywhere, it would be Smackdown typically until recently. Until they wow card bitches, all of a sudden, the good is bad and the bad is good and the up is down.
Starting point is 00:26:50 Obviously, they're the hottest they've been. And, you know, it's interesting because they're finally able to do what Vince always really wanted, which is to kind of just ride the brand and succeed with that. They're doing that now. But they also happen to have a bunch of big stars who are over. but more than ever before, the brand WWE, and I guess you could even say raw and Smackdown coming to town,
Starting point is 00:27:14 you kind of know what to expect and you kind of want to go for the ride. I would assume if you're one of these fans. Well, and the first segment, and remember we were, some recent past shows criticize, a guy, we know what's going to happen, the guy comes out and cuts a promo,
Starting point is 00:27:35 and then the other guy comes out, And then they get in a fight and they make a match. Well, now they've, they've changed that up. A guy just comes out and fucking talks and leaves. And the people are happy about it. They don't even need to get in a fight right on it. Randy Orton, he got a big entrance. He's over.
Starting point is 00:27:55 He got a big response. And all he had to do was mention John Cena's name and they started booing. And Orton, you know, he spends 10 minutes out there saying, And he did a great delivery. And he sounded like he was sincere and meant everything. But if he'd had a, you know, timer on him, said, we're going to blow the ring up. If you can't say everything you've got to say in two minutes,
Starting point is 00:28:22 he could have done that. But he stretched it out about 10. And he said, hey, Sena's always been on top, but now he's just a bottom for rock. Oh, a rock bottom. And then he knocked Owens. We've both done vile things, always in a name of business, but I respect you as a wrestler, but I got a problem with you as a man because you're
Starting point is 00:28:46 filled with jealousy. And then he, again, he went into a lot of history with Owens and Zane that could or could not have been said if you were short on time. And he's going to prove that McAfee is the only, only the second greatest punter in the W. And they played his music and he left and the people were happy, we got to see Randy talk to us. So I know it's not the,
Starting point is 00:29:18 well, I kind of pretty much almost is now again. The numbers, maybe not consistently, but the numbers of the attitude era in the buildings and on, it's definitely not on television. But they don't, Even then you had to advertise Stone Cole Steve Austin versus Fuggin Undertaker or whatever to sell the place out instead of promos from so-and-so. You see what I'm saying. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:51 And again, people come to react to what is said, sometimes just chanting what, but in this case, the reaction, and it's happening everywhere, anytime he's mentioned, the reaction to Sina, I thought was the biggest thing that I took away from the. this. Are we, I mean, because they're, and I have to think part of it is the people most offended there are the, are the, again, the most loyal WWE fans that, that kind of sense that even if they're not smart and living on the internet in that respect, they kind of sense that Rock and Sina have come in and disrupted their fucking ride they were taking. here and they're not what the fuck is going on and so it it wasn't as hard for them to turn john sina heel as one would think and a lot of it is it's a newer audience because they got more of them than they did 10 years ago so they got to be newer you're looking forward to
Starting point is 00:30:54 owens versus randy um you know i think it's going to be good because owens is not going to, we're not going to see the level of furniture and foolery with Owens and Orton that we did with Owens and Zane. So having said that, I think Randy will probably concentrate on, on Megan his big ass work in and around the ring area and leave the furniture to a minimum. I'm sure there'll be some, but hopefully they will go in that direction. I'd be surprised if they don't. Well, that was talking segment one on Smackdown. Well, then we came to the 9 o'clock hour
Starting point is 00:31:44 and we got the emotional explanation, exposition, confrontation, competition, between Bianca Bellar. Well, Bianca Bellair came out for an in-ring promo and obviously had to be all emotional and call her friend Naomi out, but she gave the preamble. Her friends are fighting, and I've formed a bond with both women.
Starting point is 00:32:18 I don't believe Naomi would do this. But neither one, Naomi nor Jade, either one is texting me back. So I need Naomi to come out and give her answers. And I'm going, okay, she doesn't want to text you, but she'll walk out here on national fucking television and talk to you about it in public, at least in the old days before these newfangled cell phones, you could believe that somebody wouldn't have talked to somebody else for a fucking week.
Starting point is 00:32:50 I haven't talked to some people for fucking longer than that, even with cell phones. But she called Naomi out, and Naomi comes out in a silver sequin neck brace and bruiser Brody boots. and she looked the epitome of sympathy with boo-boo face on and so Bianca is you know I've called you here I've talked to you here and she's like no no this isn't what it looks like and Bianca says did did you attack Jade and Naomi says all this is a distraction we got to focus on WrestleMania.
Starting point is 00:33:33 And Bianca's like, did you attack Jade? And Naomi's like, Jade, Jade, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha. She's been piggybacking off your excellence or an experience. And I was left off to the side and Naomi worked up some tears over this.
Starting point is 00:33:58 This may have been there their audition to the Strasbourg Institute, Brian, you think? You know, with an emotional... Queen of the Ring, too. There you go. An emotional performance like this, they're going to be... Maybe I ought to start agenting them
Starting point is 00:34:16 now that I have Hollywood connections. So Naomi is crying now, and she's like, I don't give a damn about Jade because she didn't give a damn about you. I was left off to the side while she was, was piggybacking on you. Hopefully piggybacking on you or whatever doesn't have
Starting point is 00:34:36 a different connotation with the young folks these days than what I think it does or else I've just uttered some type of horrible farm obscenity. And then both of them start talking over each and natterin with him. And finally, Bianca says, stop.
Starting point is 00:34:55 Did you attack Jade? Yes or no? And Naomi. Naomi, Naomi and Nianca, Naomi tearfully milks it and cries and says, I did it, I did it. And the people boo. And the fuck, I like it when emotion is shown in professional wrestling, but I'm not sure that I need to see two young ladies recreate a scene from a lifetime movie of some description. you, but then Naomi's like, I did it for you.
Starting point is 00:35:35 And now Bianca's crying too. Maybe they got onions and rubbed them underneath their fucking, or some Vicks vapor rub. And it's Dr. Phil here where Bianca said, me and you are done. Naomi said, because of her, I did it for you. I did it all for you. And Bianca walks out crying.
Starting point is 00:36:01 And Niott, Neonami, God damn it. I'm so emotional, Brian. Naomi said, I should have done it sooner, you ungrateful bitch. And then Bianca stopped.
Starting point is 00:36:19 And slowly she turned. And step by step. No, actually it would have been better that way, but she just turned around and looked. And as right as this, by an amazing coincidence of timing, right as this emotional scene is taking place and they've got the over-the-shoulder shot
Starting point is 00:36:41 of Bianca and the Titan screen, Tron, whatever they're calling it these days. On the screen, Jade pulls up in a big fancy, fancy Dan automobile and jumps out of it. Well, then jump out, but it gets out and walks in, with purpose and passes right by Bianca and goes the ring and just beats Naomi like just walks
Starting point is 00:37:08 a dog all over the top of Naomi and hits her finish, boom, and leaves her flat in there, and they play Jade's music. And there we have it. So the first two went out and cried over each other for about 10 minutes, and then Jade came in and just beat the shit out of Naomi. And, and and neon Naomi and Bianca didn't give a shit. Well, she didn't do anything about it. I hate it when these poor young ladies just become all sideways with each other. I thought a few times here, you know, what if this ends up being like a double switch where, well, I don't know if that's a even proper term where Bianca also turns.
Starting point is 00:37:54 It was an idea to somehow get Jade. But they didn't even do that because Bianca and Naomi both wore black, Jade came out in white. you know, I just, I was trying to think, and you know, I think, Bianca was dressed like she was in mourning. Yeah, but you are,
Starting point is 00:38:10 you are trying to impart some guys. It's all co-winkadink, Brian, it's all total quinkadinkedink. When these women's colors mirror some type of foreshadowing of a turn or whatever, they're just wearing whatever they look fashionable in. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:38:27 and you're reading some kind of deep thought that their wells are not that deep. that they're going to be tying all of these emotions to the color of their wardrobe at this point, I'm sorry to say. But I actually liked this segment, and yeah, it went a while, and yeah, it was emotional, but it was a different kind of thing than we usually see. It was very emotional. They were both crying as their friendship dissolved. Normally it's the men's roster in AEW that goes out and cries. I was surprised that Jade, for the second time, just came out and kicked the shit out of Naomi, and that was it. Like that was it
Starting point is 00:39:03 That was the end of the I'm gonna kick the shit out of her and that's it Let's go to the next thing That's two times in a row I mean Are they gonna do a match After she kicked the shit out of her twice?
Starting point is 00:39:15 Well I think that I don't think that Bianca is gonna switch heel I'm pretty sure Jane Jade which is a real name now God damn I pay faith myself Jade Jade probably is
Starting point is 00:39:31 of some description because she's being awful fucking violent about this. But Naomi is, but I, she would be a heel based on, you know, having been the one to orchestrate this, but I don't really know where they're going, but I'm thinking that Bianca is not going to be a heel. And maybe what they've done with this thing, with her and Ria Ripley and E.O. Sky has just had E.O. taking the belt off of Ria for this
Starting point is 00:40:09 WrestleMania thing so that they can, in some way or another, potentially have the jealous Naomi take Bianca out of it and Ria wins it back or potentially Jade somehow comes and gets involved and hopefully Ria gets it back, it costs Bianca. I don't know what the fuck is going on here. But you, when we get to Raw, you'll hear, when we talk about that,
Starting point is 00:40:42 the reaction that Ria gets compared to even Bianca, but definitely Ria and Bianca compared to EO in Madison Square Garden was like, they're like, yeah, they liked her when she fired up. But I mean, this, the women's world title, they need to do something here with Bianca and Jade and Ria. I don't know why EO's involved in this right now
Starting point is 00:41:11 except to be a temporary distraction. You see where I'm going with this? But am I getting ahead of us? I will see. We'll see how ahead of us you get, but that was Talking Segment 2 on Smackdown. Yes, and Talking Segment 3 was, Cody
Starting point is 00:41:31 with his fucking black eye holy shit well it wasn't even a black eye just you know the the traditional black under the eye above the cheek it was a giant swelling and purple and red and the shit spread over to the cheek and whether somebody has a
Starting point is 00:41:54 busted eardrum is not visible or not but one can see if that was the heel of this goofball's hand that hit his cheekbone, that the cup of it, the part that the cup's the air and pops your ear drum would have been right about in the exact right place. So this fucking, Travis Scott, did he realize whatever the fuck it is that he does?
Starting point is 00:42:21 He's in the music business, I understand. Did he realize that he was turning heel, that people were going to boo the mention of his name in large numbers and sold out arenas when he agreed to do this thing or did they just hey Travis go out there with us. Did he realize what he was getting into? He's about as popular as crotch rot right now. I think he had to have. There's no way he is a wrestling fan and wouldn't have known that. But it's not like that he's going to make money off of this. Like the wrestling fans are go, oh, we got to go buy Travis Scott records now. But I guess does anybody buy
Starting point is 00:43:01 Travis Scott Records? Are there records anymore? How do people purchase, maybe they don't buy music? That's why it sucks so bad. But what's the deal on that, Brian? Most people stream it now and, you know, some still buy it and physical units is obviously a pretty small market, but really recording artists make their money through touring more than ever before.
Starting point is 00:43:25 Well, hopefully he'll be on a long, much more than ever before. Well, hopefully he'll be on a long worldwide tour, old Travis. But anyhow, Cody Rhodes is the, do you hear the dusty inflections? In this one and in the one he does on Raw, the inflections are dusty. It's amazing. Yeah, I heard Dusty when Travis Scott slapped him. I heard, don't do shit you don't know how to do. Don't do shit you don't know how to do.
Starting point is 00:44:02 but he you know he promotes sena and uh he the the question is john why you'll probably have a very well crafted slick answer but there's no justification baby i'm just telling you it's amazing you can he's a well-spoken articulate dusty and the ebb and flow and the cadence and the rising of the tempo and etc and his dad was afraid to perform in Philadelphia because they were the first ones he had to paint his face
Starting point is 00:44:42 with the road like the road warriors so they knew he was cool because that's when Dusty started doing the fucking deal where him and the road warriors in Philadelphia to combat these smart fans heckling him
Starting point is 00:44:57 but then he said Philadelphia supported and cheered for Cody and they chose him and he did a fired up promo about John Sina. And it made you want to fucking see this thing. And that is exactly what the fucking champion needs to be doing on TV. And I can't even try to paraphrase it because it was long and verbose, but I thought it was great.
Starting point is 00:45:25 And he finished up with John Sina. Clearly you want some. will come and get some. And everybody cheers and they love him. And there's, how many people did we say? There was 16,728 people and oh, we got to see Cody talk. That's all they need to do now. Good promo.
Starting point is 00:45:55 But anyway. And then just as a footnote, let's refer to it. Thankfully, L.A. Knight won the U.S. title. back from shaky Nakamura. Were you going to say hey on something else? Yeah, just one other thing. I will say a positive about all this rock stuff the last couple of years. On promos, I think it's helped Cody Rhodes finally really come into his own.
Starting point is 00:46:20 He's had moments where he could do good promos and get fired up, but it seems like it's coming from a real place more now than ever before, and that helps. Yes, and the fire burneth within it. And you know what? And he was talking about, I guess he was he talking about, I guess he was he, was he talking about Cody, what year would this event? He was talking about Cody when Dusty said when I lay my baby
Starting point is 00:46:44 down on my chest, do you know what he hears, the hotbeat of America? Would that have been Cody? That would have been a commercial. The timing is about 38, 39 years ago. Well, anyway. Yeah, it would have been Cody, I guess.
Starting point is 00:47:02 And then I came out later on. I said, you know what the baby here is The indigestion from the taco bell that you ate last night, you son of a bit. But anyway, but yes, L.A. Knight won the U.S. title back from Shaky Nakamura. And the crowd was silent when Nakamura was kind of in charge of this thing. And they still like L.A. Knight, but it was a blasé, a match and L.A. tried, but it just, it, it wasn't good, and they were tired, they didn't see old Shagie. But otherwise than that, that was the smacketh of the down.
Starting point is 00:47:49 It most certainly was. WWE Smackdown for the 7th of March. And of course, after a show like that with so much talking, big stars, everything's interesting, but you may be tired, it may be time to lay yourself down, lay yourself, lay yourself down, lady, lay yourself down. for a good night's sleep on a fantastic mattress that's just for you. A fantastic mattress that's just for you that has not been made for anybody else but you. It's just a mattress for you alone. Poopoo pooh-pooh. And our friends at helixleep.com will put you onto one of those mattresses.
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Starting point is 00:50:06 if you're going to answer questions about an online date, then why wouldn't you, you don't know you're going to sleep with the online date, but you know you're going to sleep with the online mattress. I think, Brian, you can't argue with that.
Starting point is 00:50:19 I have no idea what you're talking. Argue what? I don't know anything about this example. We're talking to Mr. and Mrs. listener out there, and of course, little baby listeners. Yes, little baby listeners. that may be ordering one of the child's mattresses for their own self because mom and daddy just took their mattress and left them to sit in a corner.
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Starting point is 00:54:12 time to lay down, but let's get back up and let's travel to the future, or actually the past, for the review of A.E.W. Revolution. Well, Jim, as the drive-thru rolls on, we have a big review, the one everyone's been waiting for, the AEW pay-per-view. Some people thought it was one of the greatest pay-per-views of all time. What? What? Other people thought the exact opposite. I'm not sure who was in the middle. It seems like everyone took one position or the other, but AEW Revolution. Oh, I know what position I took.
Starting point is 00:54:48 On my hands and knees got fucked out of time of my life, I'll never get back. That's what position I took on the thing. This was AEW Revolution in Los Angeles. They've broken me. They've broken me to the point where I don't know that I can muster up enough outrighteous indignation to fully express the various vehement thoughts that were flashing through my mind as I sat and was inflicted upon with this thing. What Uncle Dave said on paper, this is the strongest paperview lineup ever in the history
Starting point is 00:55:29 of pay-per-view. Well, they should have stuck with paper because on video it was fucking brutal. And I'm going to even expose a little bit of our own business here. We are doing this part of the drive-through episode that you folks may be listening to now. If you are indeed consuming the podcast instead of a clip on YouTube, one way or the other, the point is, I've just sat and watched this show. It's a Monday morning. The pay-per-view took place on a Sunday night.
Starting point is 00:56:01 and a Monday morning. It crossed midnight, the wee bitching hour. And then I got up, I watched the thing from 8 o'clock in the morning till fucking noon, and then we're recording this because I have a family commitment that we could not do the whole, the whole shebang of a program today. I'm helping the in-laws with some things this afternoon.
Starting point is 00:56:24 So we're going to do the rest of the program tomorrow because I said, we don't have time, and there's no way after I watch four hours of this, that I could be in a cheerful mood. Brian last in order to start the program and not just be have people be suicidal listening to me by the time that we get halfway through it. You said four hours, I'm guessing you didn't watch the pre-show? Well, that was a point I was going to make here shortly. But since you jumped right into it with both feet, I will follow along. I'm talking about the pay-per-view, ladies and gentlemen,
Starting point is 00:56:56 that was past four hours. The pre-show was another hour and a half. They had, I've been on fucking sold-out shows with six-figure houses that didn't have as many people on the card as they had on the pre-show. Would you like to hear what was on the pre-show? You didn't watch this, did you?
Starting point is 00:57:19 I saw bits and pieces. I saw the end of the Jericho segment and I saw a little bit of the big boom, AJ thing, but that's all I saw. I don't know if there was much else other than that. Well, I've jotted it down off the internet, just in the interest of completionism, to let the people know what kind of show
Starting point is 00:57:41 that the people in Los Angeles saw before the show that they came to see got started. That's a proper way to phrase it, isn't it? That's a way to phrase it. Hologram and commander defeated Blake, Christian and Lee Johnson. But you doesn't got to call him Johnson. Well, you could call him Lee or you could call him LJ.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Where's Bill Saluga when you need him? He's dead. Well, we need him. So then they had an eight-man tag team match, player, Danny Garcia and the unmitigated era. What is their goddamn, name now, the undominable spirit.
Starting point is 00:58:36 The undisputed kingdom. Undisputed King, Kingdom. I was still going for era. Kylo Riley, Adam Cole, and Roderick Strong with Danny Garcia defeated Shane Taylor, Lee Moriarty, Carly Bravo. She sounds like the traffic girl on local news. And now to the helicopter for a look at the traffic with Carly Bravo. and Sean Dean
Starting point is 00:59:06 and then help me understand since you saw a bit of this I read the result as Chris Jericho went to a no contest with gravity did he float away obviously if you look at his waistline he's been having a battle of gravity for several years now no I saw I didn't see any of the match
Starting point is 00:59:26 I didn't even know what exactly the match was I just saw the post match where Bandito who was wearing a different color mask so I didn't recognize him at first was being held back by Big Bill, who looks great. He's in great shape. While Jericho ripped the mask off gravity, because that's the worst thing you could ever do to a luchador
Starting point is 00:59:46 is rip the mask off. And you saw his face for a second, then he went down, and you get that weird thing where no matter what they do to him, he sells his face because he's covering his face. Like Ernie Ladd and Wild Bull Curry selling their ear when they get stomped on the toe, but yeah. Punching the go. Oh my God, my face is exposed.
Starting point is 01:00:06 And then finally, Bandito was set free, and he jumped on his friend to cover him so that no one would see him. Then the family was at ringside and it was doing a lot. I guess it was Gravity's family. I didn't have the commentary on. I was just watching it. Gravity has a family? Well, all of a sudden there was a woman and kids being.
Starting point is 01:00:24 What would that be? Would that be like tidal waves or what would be what would be related to gravity? What's in the gravity family? See, now you're making me question what happened. A.W. Revolution pre-show. And here are the results. I'm just, you know, if people were defying gravity, I'd like to know about it. And that one didn't have anything.
Starting point is 01:00:51 Let's see, here are the results. Well, I thought Jericho was the newsmaker, the record breaker, the masturbator. Jericho ripped off Gravity's mask, and, oh, it doesn't say anything here about the family. At one point there was a woman and kids being shuffled the ringside and they made a point of showing it. I figured it was Gravity's family. I think that was a, I think that was a dispute over some kind of paternity suit payments that one of the talent was sort of like a Billy Travis thing in Memphis. The angle here, I'm reading a wrestle zone report, the angle here with Gravity and Bandito's family was old school wrestling and it was done well. All right.
Starting point is 01:01:31 Okay. and then apparently to main event, got my notes here, apparently to main event zero hour, and it was aptly named, except it was apparently an hour and a half, the male models that were run out of the WWE, massage or menage and mansway,
Starting point is 01:01:58 or massage and menage, or whatever their names is, with and apparently now poor Johnny Johnny Nitro John Morrison, John, whatever his last name is at this point is somehow affiliated with these Cretans. And they
Starting point is 01:02:14 lost to Pockets Mark Brisco and the Costco guy. I watched that match. And that well, what is he is the Costco guy over on the West Coast
Starting point is 01:02:33 like he is on the East Coast or did they get it or what happened? You know, they react just fine to him. He throws good punches. The biggest reaction was for Big Justice when he got in the ring at the end. People like... He's the larger pudgy kid
Starting point is 01:02:50 rather than the smaller pudgy kid, right? Whose name is the Twizzler. The Rizzler, and he was at ringside, he came out dressed like Orange Cassidy. So he was kind of a mini Orange Cassidy for the match. Oh, he already fucking outweighs Orange Cassidy he's fucking five.
Starting point is 01:03:06 Johnny TV, there were some weird, not weird, but you know, you've seen people make out on wrestling shows, but this one, they made a point of him
Starting point is 01:03:15 and Ty of Valky just tongues all over each other's faces. It was kind of gross hats. No, it's okay. It's been blessed by a preacher. They're married. Right, but no one wants to see it,
Starting point is 01:03:26 is my point. I don't think anyone wants to see them making out like that. It's okay in the eyes of the Lord, as long as they're officially betrothed each other, they can go ahead and, fucking, oh sure they can. God damn all kinds of
Starting point is 01:03:36 commissoutra shit out there. Although no one wants to see it. My point is no one wanted to see. It was disgusting. Well, nobody wanted to see any of the rest of this shit, but they, they had to,
Starting point is 01:03:44 so why can't we watch Johnny Fuck Taya? Because, again, you didn't watch this, you wouldn't have wanted to see. It was gross. It was gross. And that was... Hey, I'll tell you what.
Starting point is 01:03:54 If Taya's involved, I always want to see it. Really? Anyway, we finally got to the point where I joined the festivity AEW Revolution on pay-per-view and on...
Starting point is 01:04:10 What are they on now? They're on Amazon. If they're on Amazon Prime, does that mean that every time one of those screwy little trucks or now people just in their normal civilian motor cars pull up your house, they're going to hand you a box with...
Starting point is 01:04:24 When you open it up, there's a goddamn tape of the fucking show. No. It just means you go to the website and you purchase the paper view and stream it. Yeah. I can stream shit off my deck that I would rather watch than anyway. They were in Los Angeles, the city of the angels.
Starting point is 01:04:46 It seemed like they had a decent crowd for them these days. They didn't say how many was there, at least not that I heard. They didn't have any big graphic like the other guys do when they have big crowds. So it seemed like it might be something for them to brag over, but did you hear any bragging? about it. According to Russell Ticks, and this was yesterday as of 4 p.m. Eastern time, I believe. They had 11,322 tickets distributed, only 423 tickets available. And I have to say, it looked great. The house looked really, really good. It was the best, it was the best looking crowd from
Starting point is 01:05:23 AEW we've seen in a very long time. Over a year. Or since, when was Greensboro? When they did the big house for staying? It was like a year ago, right? It wasn't out like last March? That was last March. Beware the tides of March. But, okay, 11,300, even if those are distributed, they're not all paid and they have set up for a little under, they could have said, we have 12,000 people sold out graphic drone shots. The other guys are, they finally do it. If they've said anything, I didn't hear it. And they started the show off and thank God. for this. MJF is the smartest man in wrestling because he always
Starting point is 01:06:12 I think he goes to I was about to say I think he goes to production meeting. They don't have them. I think he hides behind equipment cases and listens to what stupid shit is going to be done in the course of a show and either goes on first, second
Starting point is 01:06:28 or maybe sometimes third to get the fuck out of there and not to get any on him and to still have a crowd that will watch normal, logical, common sense wrestling and react to it instead of having seen 47 different attempted mayhams and vehicular homicides. And in this one, he went on fur, if I would have, MJF, I would have asked to be on a pre-show on this one. Him and hangnail page, but can you deny Brian last that it's awfully odd?
Starting point is 01:07:04 that whenever MJF was going to have a classic match with somebody like Punk or Danielson, and they weren't going to literally try to behead and disembowel people on the undercard, he went on last because that was the money match. But now that they've taken their company into the outlaw mud show gutter and negated much of MJF's appeal with their shoddy booking, he gets on first or second and gets the fuck out of there after having what makes
Starting point is 01:07:38 a match that makes more sense than anything else you're going to see on the show. Am I lying? I don't know if you're lying, but I think he's always gone on early in the show with a few exceptions like the punk thing, but you know,
Starting point is 01:07:49 a thing of him and Darby, that opened the show, that match I loved a few years ago. Yeah, but what else was on that fucking show? Why he wanted to get it and get it over with. Yeah, I mean, they always had nonsense, but even if there was no garbage on the show, I still think it's probably a smart move.
Starting point is 01:08:04 And in terms of AEW, I think MJF, again, when he's not in the title match picture or in a big feud, he's kind of like the perfect guy to start out with because he does good stuff and he does enough and nothing goes too far. And it ends up being a great match. Now, I don't know about Adam Page's haircut. You know, I feel like, I feel like MJF got saddled with Cody coming out with that tattoo. he got saddled with like he won the title and that punk beat up the bucks
Starting point is 01:08:35 and now he got saddled he has to wrestle out of page he comes out with a it wasn't a perm but it was a very pretty little haircut it I don't I couldn't even come up with a cogent simile on what that haircut was about but
Starting point is 01:08:51 here's the thing so it's page and hangnail and again MJF is the best in the company probably at putting smart matches together where shit gets a reaction and it makes sense from in the context of what you're looking at and MJF is also the smartest guy at working like a heel so you understand who the heel is and giving the baby face by by proxy or process of elimination or whatever a little more
Starting point is 01:09:24 ump himself because the people are wanting him to foil the heel spots or to give the heel taste his own medicine, whatever. So you got that going for you. Hangnail, as we know, is a blood drinker. Or was he the drinkie or the drinker? Who drank who there? Him and swerve their blood brothers. He drank swerve's blood, and I thought about that
Starting point is 01:09:47 when he's spitting MJF's face. I'm like, oh, anything with this guy and fucking bodily fluids is kind of disgusting. Well, but the point being, they probably come from opposite ends of the spectrum, and I was worried that MJF would be trying to do too much of this moron's caca to placate him. But then when I saw the finish and I realized why it was mostly seemed like an MJF match for most of it, I don't know about that power bomb on the knee because in this case,
Starting point is 01:10:20 he power bombed pages back on his knee, but Paige's head went down and on the mat, his legs jacked knifed up over. over the top of it. I'm not worried about page. I'm just hoping at MJF doesn't do it to anybody else. That would be a hard sell for me anyway because you're not going across something that you can absorb with the brunt of your upper back.
Starting point is 01:10:47 You're going, you're like getting power bombed on a balance beam and there's too much margin for error where you could go sideways or in this case over the top or whatever. and I Paige Page at one point fired up after MJF hit the ropes and ran and hit
Starting point is 01:11:09 Paige in the face with his dick so that was an interesting spot I love MJF's hammerlock DDT that thing ought to be a fucking finish it looks better than most people's shit anything else that anybody does so of course it's a two count
Starting point is 01:11:26 and, you know, they went back and forth, and this, again, for an, this was an okay MJF match and a really good, maybe the best ever Adam Page match, because they mostly made sense. They went back and forth on false finishes where Page is trying to get the buck shot. He hit it one, or the, yes, the buck shot or buck snort or whatever. he hit it one time MJF got his foot on the ropes he kept going for it but MJF would stagger or roll away and then finally MJF foiled it into an arm bar and held it for a while and then they were on the floor for a while and then for no apparent reason they're fighting on the floor but page turns around and gets up on the rail like he's going to
Starting point is 01:12:19 moonsault the guy off the railing around the ring while he got standing on the floor, it just seemed odd that he would, I'm going to do a backflip now, except that MGF caught him because that was the next spot. And he gave him a tombstone pile driver on the folding chair
Starting point is 01:12:41 that was sitting at ringside and that was different and it looked great. And it bent the chair and a doctor's checking page and then Paige rolls back in. And this was going to start what would be an epidemic of the night of shit that looked okay in some cases and definitely looked dangerous in all cases and would kill any normal human being in all cases.
Starting point is 01:13:13 And then they'd just jump back up and do more shit. Yeah, Paige was on the floor until like eight and a half dead. And then all of a sudden at eight and a half he woke up and then at nine he jumped in. Yes. And then there's MJF is crying. And why you and not me? I was asking the same thing. Why am I having to watch this? No, that's the thing where, yes, I understand he's working the deal where he's mad and offended that the fans started cheering for him. I would be too cheering for this putts instead of me. but he just tombstone pile drove the fucking guy on a goddamn folding chair that's sitting on a concrete floor and a guy beats the count
Starting point is 01:13:57 and now they continue the match and page picks him up and gives him a dead eye and then a face buster and it hits him with a buckshot one two three and it was a what the fuck he just tombstoneed him on a chair on the floor
Starting point is 01:14:16 and the next three moves that happened, Paige just got up and fucking beat him. And I, but I'll tell you, it was 20 minutes, but it didn't seem nearly as long as the rest of these things would, because some of them were longer also, but I couldn't understand the finish.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Why? I mean, obviously they said, okay, MJF, everybody else has tried to get this sorry sack of shit over. it's your turn do a job for him however he was you know instructed required or contractually obligated to put this fucking prick over but how the fuck would did mjf think it was a good idea to do a devastating move to him just before he got up and kicked his ass right in the middle one two three or did they make him do a devastating move to the guy so he could get up and
Starting point is 01:15:17 kick his ass one, two, three. I'd help me. I don't know how I'm supposed to help you. I don't have any answers. I think the tombstone on the chair looked incredible. Do you think it's wasted if it's...
Starting point is 01:15:33 Yes. Okay. Either. Either either was completely wasted. Because what... Either, my God, MJF is the weakest son bitch on a planet, page is indestructible, or more probably, all this shit's phony and it doesn't hurt
Starting point is 01:15:54 anybody. And that's the fucking goddamn attitude that most people get when they see horse shit like this. And the people who are in the audience who are the, of AEW, who are the dedicated half a million people or whatever that are going to fucking watch the TV show or 100,000 or going to buy the pay-per-view here, they know that some of it hurts, but they're, like, awestruck that, that these fucking phony motherfuckers
Starting point is 01:16:27 will goddamn work together to put on a show where they try to break each other's necks for their benefit. Most people don't think that way. But, and hopefully we're done with MJF and Page. It seemed like the match ended, and now both guys can move on, and we'll see what they do. I don't want to see Adam Page and Swarve ever,
Starting point is 01:16:48 again. I don't really need to see Adam Page and the Bucks camp again. I don't know what they're going to do with Adam Page. What are they going to do with MJF? I don't know. I don't know what there is to do with MJF right now. What is there to do, Brian? I don't know. Unless we transition to a sponsor spot or whatever it is that's happening right now. I don't know what's going on. Well, Jim, as we take this short break in the action, I think it's been hard to ignore MJF. Suddenly has a lot more facial hair, a mustache, to go with his beard and his chin. And of course, Adam Page always has something going on, and now he has a girly haircut, but let's talk really about the facial hair.
Starting point is 01:17:31 You need the right razor, you need the right support, to make sure that you make all the right decisions when you take that razor to your face. Help me out, Jim. We're talking about our friend at Harry's. You're making me want to take a razor to my throat. No! Well, you can take one of the Harry's razor. to your throat, your neck, you can rub it around on your jugular, and it's not going to do
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Starting point is 01:18:36 You wonder why. You say why, J-C-Y, why? Is it so important that we get a trial set so you can understand the quality of the products that you can potentially receive on an ongoing basis in the future from Harry's, because they've got, first of all, the razor, the incredibly ergonomically designed, weighted handle that's so easy to hold in your hand with the treaded grips on the handle that make it easy not to drop it and, you know, potentially swallow it and choke yourself
Starting point is 01:19:11 or potentially on the way down, it might slice some element of your dick off or something. That's only if you're naked in the bathroom, but most people are. It's one of the rooms in the house where most people are naked. But never, Brian, are you usually naked in the bathroom, at least from the waist down?
Starting point is 01:19:32 I mean, the showers in the bathroom. I mean, maybe in the shower. It polls show that you're naked a lot of time in the bathroom, but nevertheless, while you're naked, you got this incredible ergonomically designed razor handle. You've got the five blade cartridge with the razors that are sharper than a serpent's tooth, German engineered blades made in their own factory. And you get foaming shave gel to smear all over your face
Starting point is 01:20:03 so that you can glide that incredible, scientifically, ergonomically, perfect razor across your face and eliminate all that facial hair and you get a travel cover three dollars and that way you can see that you like these products and then the customizable delivery options with refills as low as two bucks are available on your own schedule and your own time you don't have to go to the store and have the guy pry this anti-burglary device off with a crowbar or whatever or set alarm bells off when you're trying to leave the grocery store. It comes to you right in the mail. And it's a no-risk trial.
Starting point is 01:20:49 You can cancel it any time, convenient subscription options, highest customer satisfaction in a shaving industry. If they can make you look good and you, meaning the royal you out there, you know who I'm talking to, I'm talking to you, they can make you look good, you know they're good. So normally the trial set $13, but right, it's three bucks. So what the fuck? It's 75 cents a week. You can shave on this thing unless you're a werewolf for quite some time.
Starting point is 01:21:20 Harries.com slash JCE. Brian, have you recently trimmed around your head and nickel area? I will tell you, I have made some adjustments recently and I have to make a few more, and I'm very lucky that I have Harry's here in the house ready to go because I'm going to need it and I'm going to use it. I need a friend like Harry from Harry. Well, and Harry ain't going to let you down, I'll tell you, ever since he's been coming over here to shave me,
Starting point is 01:21:47 every Tuesday afternoon at 3.30, he comes, and that's why I mentioned being naked because he's always wanting us to be naked when we go to the bathroom for the shave. Well, Jim, I can tell you someone who could use Harry one more time. What's that promo code? J-C-E. That's right.
Starting point is 01:22:05 I can tell you someone who can use Harry's. That, of course, is Tony Kahn, and let's go back to his wet dream, AEW Revolution 2025. Well, now that we've got all that settled, Brian, the revolution continued, and unfortunately, in this case, the revolution was televast.
Starting point is 01:22:29 And we got to see for the women's title, Mercedes Moon versus Momo wannabe. and again, I think this was a situation where they were looking at the lineup and said, well, we might as well get this over with early. I mean, seriously, two girls doing too much that they can't do for too long, and nobody really gives a shit about either one of them in the overall scheme of things. and at right around 18 minutes into this exhibition, Momo came off the turnbuckle and landed bed and hurt her leg.
Starting point is 01:23:17 The announcers were saying ankle, my suspicion might be the knee. I don't know if you've heard any update, but Mercedes grabbed her, gave her that shitty finish and then got some kind of STF-like choke maneuver and Momo tapped. And then I heard on Twitter they carried her out. So what, and again, all this crazy shit that these people do. And she jumped off, I think, the second turnbuckle and landed on her feet in the ring to do a rolling thing and just landed wrong.
Starting point is 01:24:00 But did I miss any subtle. in this match as to how it would be the greatest woman's match ever, or was I saving a good amount of time here? I don't think this was much of a match. I don't know about the injury or not, but they either didn't mesh well together or it just wasn't going to happen. I've never really watched Momo, if I've seen her before, I don't remember, wasn't very impressed with her, and the fans didn't really seem to impress with any of this. I mean, it's a, again, it's an A.A.W. crowd where they're quiet a lot and you kind of have to try to figure out are they just paying attention or do they not like this? And they didn't even really react at the finisher at the end.
Starting point is 01:24:41 So I don't think they liked this very much. And it wasn't a good match. I think in a lot of, even in the main events, they sit there and stare unless somebody is chopping, which makes a good loud noise or either party gives somebody else a big fucking bump or they do a stunt. And then they care whether the baby face or the heel is winning or in charge or whatever. It's just, oh, they try to kill each other, which is where they've got their selves with shows like this, that it can't be new, it can't be different, they've done everything they can do to the human body, well, we'll get there. But anyway, swerve Strickland with Prince Nanna versus Rikasay was next up, Brian,
Starting point is 01:25:28 And are they ribbon swerve now that I've seen people get marching bands and string choirs, or not string choirs, but string orchestras and choirs and all can rock and roll bands and all kinds of musical accompaniment on their entrance on big shows. But have you ever seen one unknown? drummer play a guy's fucking music to the ring? Here's a bigger question. If done right, that works well. Nothing like a great drummer.
Starting point is 01:26:08 Imagine that Gene Krupa there. Nothing like a great drummer. Oh, Buddy Rich would like a word. Oh, yeah. Well, he'd like a fist too. He's a tough guy, Buddy Rich. Did the drums work for the song? It didn't work.
Starting point is 01:26:20 It didn't go with the song. So then, like, he's just banging away back there, and you can hear him. And then the song's going, and it just didn't seem like it worked or meshed well together. Do when you, when you think of swerves music, I swear it went on drive and it's kind of like it's the rapish, it's the urban, it's the hip hop, it's that,
Starting point is 01:26:42 do you think of drums? Exactly, Keith Moon couldn't play on that track. John Bonham would have said, are you fucking kidding me? It's just, it's not the right place for a drummer. Only Ringo Star, I think. could have made that work. Did they identify the drummer?
Starting point is 01:27:00 Was it even a famous drummer? I'm not even sure who it was. I didn't know. I don't know what. He just did the drums and then here came swerve. And the guy was drumming the drums while swerve was swerving. Missed opportunity to use one of the drums in a match? No, well, if it's a missed opportunity, it's the only one they missed.
Starting point is 01:27:21 And probably that poor guy said, fuck you, you're not breaking my fucking drums. I need this in the park on Sunday afternoons. my rent. So anyway, they rang the bell. Swerve and ricochet. What have I said about guy's worst instincts where when you get one of the gymnasts in with a guy who can work, he'll be calmed down and it, even Osprey is a classic example. When you get him with MJF and he can't do all the double foolishness and his, he's, shit has to make sense. He's a heck of an athlete and you can apply it to wrestling.
Starting point is 01:28:05 When you get two guys that their whole thing is they want to out, you know, outdo each other with the hokey, you know, kung fu movie scenes, they nailed all their cartwheels and their roundoffs and their back flips and their leg slaps perfectly. That's all the shit that they have fun doing. But what looks like shit is, is their punches, their kicks, any basic wrestling move like a chin lock,
Starting point is 01:28:38 and any timing and any sense of the flow of the match rather than getting in the video game moves against each other. That's what suffers with these guys. And also the overbookingness of Tony thing. I don't know, I don't know whether it's them or whether it's Tony or what, but at this point, does not look like the biggest prick ever?
Starting point is 01:29:08 Does swerve not look like he ought to just tell his fucking useless bastard to hit the bricks? They've made Nana almost ineffectual physically and not even trying most of the time made him look like a pussy, but then he bows up and tells swerve,
Starting point is 01:29:24 you better get my rope back. I've done a lot for you. What? You got your ass kick for him because you would fight back. and then even in this match Nana tries to pull him off the fucking guy on the floor so he can tell him to get back in the ring and swerve loses his temper and shoves Nana down. Well, okay, but then Nana walks off on him
Starting point is 01:29:47 and leaves the guy and stays in the back for the rest of the match until he comes out and tries to fucking steal his robe back. Like the robe's more important and whether swerve's getting his fucking head caved in. And then after swerve wins and gets the fucking robe back, he gets on his knees and presents it to Nana, like Nana's the king instead of the prince.
Starting point is 01:30:13 This story is so what the fuck? If friends like that, I don't need enemas. I actually thought, and I maybe still think it would have been the better option. Nana turned on him. I thought Nana was going to turn and go with Rikoshae. Yeah. And all three of them were wearing white. You know, and I've been kind of paying attention to the colors, especially after the
Starting point is 01:30:35 Jade Cargill segment, the colors people come out with and the colors people are wearing. Usually it's white for a baby face, black clothes for a heel. Everyone was wearing white here, so it was kind of ambiguous. And when Nana left, and then when he finally came back, I was like, oh, this is the time for Nana to turn, and it didn't happen. And that would have been the best thing for Nana, I think. Yeah. It would have given him something to do.
Starting point is 01:30:58 people would have given a shit at the same time it might make fucking ricochet interesting which ain't going to ever happen but anyway that was the match is that there was a long awkward struggle where they were balancing on the ropes but then they jumped off without doing anything so I think they lost it
Starting point is 01:31:15 and they tried to do a big move on the Spanish announced desk and that table didn't budge I thought it looked like they hit a frying pan at one point Rickashé did a 450
Starting point is 01:31:33 off the top and landed back first right on top of swerve with every bit of his fucking weight and then not only got a two count but also what the fuck what do I tell you about these fucking lunatics spinning
Starting point is 01:31:50 around off the top rope and just landed wherever and then they did the bit with the robe and when Nana stole the robe, RICOche dove out on him and knocked him down and then took the robe back and put it on and then Swerve dove out on RICOchet and Rikishay tried to catch him over his shoulders
Starting point is 01:32:12 in a fireman's carry for probably a Death Valley driver on the desk or whatever, but Swerve was going too fast and Rickishay's weaker and cat's piss and he lost him and dropped him on the floor head first and then fell on the side of Swerve's face. And that could have broken his neck twice in a space of two seconds. And then again, RICOchet does a big move and gets a two count and Nana grabs the robe
Starting point is 01:32:43 and they have a tug of war with the robe with Nana and Rickashay. And Swerve rolled Rikishay up, but Rikishay kicked him off and Swerve stopped short in front of squishing nana in the turnbuckles. And then Rickusay came up from behind with the roll up and pancake Nana in the corner and rolled swerve up and swerve kicked out and then gave him a kick to the head. And then gave him the other kick to the head. The second kick to the head is whatever they call is kick to the head. And covered him and got a two count.
Starting point is 01:33:20 And then Jesus Christ. And then he picked Rickashie. up and hit him with some big fucking whoop-to-do, boom, one, two, three. Jesus, why was that necessary? They had the momentum. They had the tug of war with the manager. They had the manager pancake. They had the roll up and the kick out and then swerve kicked him in the head.
Starting point is 01:33:44 Boom, cover one, two, three. Don't kick him in the head again and then pick him up and hit him with something else. now you've lost your fucking momentum and also you've just beat the guy flat when you didn't need to beat him flat because they would have been happy to see him beaten with the little out of the fucking
Starting point is 01:34:06 roll up in the pancake and the blah blah blah they can't stop themselves from doing too much shit and it didn't and ricochet's not smart enough to the wrestling business to realize that instead of being beaten on a fluke where the swerve kicked out after the pancake of the manager
Starting point is 01:34:29 and then kicks him in the head from behind and he gets kicking it again and then he gets picked up and just beat. So he's a fucking idiot. Have I made this point? Crystal clear. 20 minutes, bell to bell, again. And then swerve got the robe
Starting point is 01:34:47 and Nana came in the ring and swerve knelt down and gave it to Nana, and then they hug. Because anything you'd like to add? No, not really. Like I said, I thought it was the time for a Nana turn.
Starting point is 01:35:05 It would have made sense. It would have made Nana. It would have been good for ricochet. I don't think Swerve needs a manager at this point. But they went in a different direction, and by the end of the night, they'll go in a new direction with Swerve. Well, the direction he came by the end of the night
Starting point is 01:35:22 was down, plummeting faster than a stone. but we'll get there because next up was the intercontinental title match between Brody King and Okada. You know how even sometimes when you're not really a fan of somebody but you see him in a situation where you feel bad for him, you're like,
Starting point is 01:35:47 I feel bad for, I feel sorry for this poor fucking guy. That's the way I felt for Brody King. Because I'm sorry. I said Brody King was the number three guy in the house of black. Malachi ran the thing, but he never got over. It was all that more of that spooky movie bullshit and it was phony. And people were like, yeah, and the booking, whether it was Malachi's or Tonys or whoever is, stop and start and here and there, whatever the fuck.
Starting point is 01:36:20 Buddy, his work is great, his body's great, his name is rotten, and they bury him. and Brody King is a guy who would be on top in a small territory or basically an indie guy for modern consumption that just wouldn't be a featured guy in a major promotion. But Malachi leaves and they repackage Buddy and Brody as the hounds of hell as a tag team and then bring them in and beat them as a team, and then they beat them both as singles.
Starting point is 01:37:02 They ever want to match since they got repackaged. But Brody King looks like bruiser Brody next to this soft, lazy, bland, nothing happening, no personality slug. Okada is either the worst wrestler in the world, the laziest wrestler in the world, or potentially both. Now he can't be the worst at the world. That's Moxley. But he's the laziest because Moxley works hard to suck.
Starting point is 01:37:33 And this guy is sleepwalking through this. Can you deny what I'm saying, Brian, that every match that Okada does, he sleepwalks. He's the only guy I've ever seen that does an elbow fall off the top instead of an elbow drop. He's klutzy. He's awkward. He's slow.
Starting point is 01:37:54 He takes a bump like he's landing on guys. goddamn hot asphalt, and every once in a while he'll stand up and throw a drop kick. Can you deny what I'm saying is true? I always liked him in Japan years ago, and I can't deny what you're saying, sleepwalking. And if he's not lazy, and I'm not going to say he is, but he appears lazy in the way he does his things in the ring and on the floor and wherever else he does stuff, I have not enjoyed Okada's run in AEW at all. and this was not a match I liked.
Starting point is 01:38:28 Lackadaisical, maybe even better than lazy. Yeah, you know what, that's the term. Just like, you know, who cares? Who gives a shit? I'm going to get paid either way. Okada-Daisical. Okotadaisical. I like the cut of your jib.
Starting point is 01:38:45 So, so Okada brings a chair in and of credit it's the corpse referee, Rick Knox, so of course he takes the chair away dramatically turns his. his back and pitches it out and keeps his back turned until Okada runs over, grabs the championship belt, hits Brody King and ahead with it, throws it out, and then the referee makes it obvious that he wasn't looking on purpose by spinning and counting immediately.
Starting point is 01:39:12 Two count. The very next move that happens in the match, Brody King, who just got crowned over the head with the title belt, is up and fine. and clotheslines Okada and gives him a headbut and splashes him in the corner and runs at him and Okada jumps up and drop kicks him
Starting point is 01:39:38 and then picks him up and Brody King throws a clothes line which Okada ducks and hits his shitty rain maker rain fucking maker it's the fucking is as dry as the Sahara Desert that little shitty clothesline.
Starting point is 01:39:58 It depends on how the guy takes a bump as to whether it looks fake or not, as to how he takes a decent looking bump because otherwise it's the shits. Droughtmaker. Drought maker. There you go. And he hit that, boy, you're, you're just,
Starting point is 01:40:19 I can't even snap my fingers today. I'm so verclimped. Thank you, sir. You're right there today. The drought maker. or one, two, three. So the belt shot didn't work. Brody King was fine seconds later,
Starting point is 01:40:32 but a shitty clothesline beat him. And another way of looking at it is the heel fuck didn't work, so the heel just beat the baby face flat right in the middle of the ring, one, two, three. He's got, Brody King has no excuse. Yeah, he just beat me. The fight. At least it was only 12 minutes.
Starting point is 01:40:55 And you brought up there, the hounds of hell, and we haven't seen them win and they were repackaged. They got a video or two. And then Buddy lost to O'Connor. Buddy also got hurt. So we don't know when we're going to see Buddy again.
Starting point is 01:41:06 If you were going to do anything with Brody King, you probably don't beat him right away. Again, it's a title match. I may not want to do a title switch, but why put him in the match then? Why put him in the match then? But we'll see what happens. I'm not as negative on Brody King as you are,
Starting point is 01:41:22 not to say this was a good match or anything. I didn't like this match, but there's something there. I think there is something there. He looks better now that he got a tan. With all the tattoos and no tan, he looked like a black and white comic strip. Anyway, then all the titles were on the line, Brian.
Starting point is 01:41:42 This was a big championship night. We had the tag team title on the line with the outriggers. Magnum Turbo and Floyd R. Turbo. no, it was... Magnum Force. It was Maggie May.
Starting point is 01:42:00 Turbo Floyd. And was it Truth Magnum? Truth Magnum. Truth Martini has already filed a copyright infringement lawsuit. The Outriggers versus the Hurt Syndicate. And to be honest, on a weeknight, this was like my second or third favorite match, just because there was no goddamn thumbtacks or barbed wire. But, I mean, in all honest,
Starting point is 01:42:31 is what Okada and Brody King was was a 12-minute TV match, and what this was was an eight-minute TV match. And there's nothing wrong with that. Because of everybody all night, the Hurt's syndicate came out looking less silly and less weak and less ineffectual. MJF didn't do too badly, gave the guy of the, tombstone on the chair and
Starting point is 01:42:54 and the guy got up and kicked his ass for it. But obviously, there was no doubt that the title was in jeopardy here. Sheldon Benjamin and Bobby Lashley would be the best tag team right now in the WWE.
Starting point is 01:43:12 Because think about who are that. Okay, the Motor City machine guns are the best working tag team in the WVE, but they have neither one been blessed to be the size of Bobby Lashley or Shelton Benjamin. And think about it, the Lucha faces, the lucha heels, the purely dreary, the Champa and Gargano stand Lashley and Benjamin next to any of these people.
Starting point is 01:43:40 It would be ridiculous. These guys could be, if there was any decent tag team competition, featured in main events because they look legit, they are legit and they act like stars and they don't do the stupid things that everybody else on his program does that makes them look weak. I think Shelton Benjamin had to stooge for some of the foolishness of the outriggers who apparently their, well, their gimmick is that they're a parody of 80s tag teams, right? To the point where they've got a VHS style entrance, but on this show, it just looks like
Starting point is 01:44:20 they had video trouble. You can't really tell. There wasn't a single tag team in the 80s that acted like them or looked like them. No. And that was the thing is that Shelton had to stooge for some of it during their comeback, but basically they shined them at the start without the hurts getting their asses really kicked. So they gave them a little bit because they have to make it some kind of contest. MVP gave him a pep talk and they took over.
Starting point is 01:44:50 They were physically dominant. Then the comeback with the stupid faces and the stupid acting. And then the Hertz took back over and Shelton need both of them and Lashley speared both of them. One, two, three, and eight minutes. So it was to get the Hertz syndicate over, but I just don't know why even a match like that has to have silliness involved. But nevertheless, there we are. But who, right now in tag team wrestling, who would be a good legitimate match
Starting point is 01:45:25 entertaining match physical match for Shelton Benjamin and Bobby Lash FTR I forgot about them the problem is it'll be a really good match you just hope FTR don't get on the mics and something has to be done different it's just they've gotten to a bland point where as soon as they come out with
Starting point is 01:45:46 that music it doesn't have the energy it had a few years ago so I think it would be a good match or series of matches, but for it to be a feud, you'd have to find a way to really do something there. Well, and then who would be the... They've been hapless baby faces. Yeah, that's the problem. Well, that's the problem is that Shelton and Bobby would be the baby faces, because people would be cheering for them to beat shit out of FTR because the way FTR has been handled or handled themselves. You know, it's terrible when you mishandle yourself.
Starting point is 01:46:17 Yourself seems to be the person that would most know how to handle you. I didn't think this match was very good, but if you were going to do it, it should have been a squash or something. You know, the outrunners have gotten the ironic pops. Yeah. And, you know, they've been on collision, I guess, featured more than anywhere else. But they took that, watching Shelton having to sell for them, it wasn't even about look at Shelton's shape or, you know, who he is and how tough he is. It just didn't look good. It just didn't look right.
Starting point is 01:46:45 And at one point, Shelton went for the knee to the guy in the turnbuckle, and the guy moved and Shelton need the turnbuckle. and the guy moved and Shelton need the turnbuckle and he did the thigh slap on his knee hitting the turnbuckle. What is that? I missed that one. Yeah. So they got to do something different
Starting point is 01:46:59 with the hurt business and this should have been a squash because it wouldn't have hurt the outrunners. That's the other thing. And it hurts them if you see them in a match and they don't look good and it doesn't look like they're ready for national TV. It doesn't hurt them
Starting point is 01:47:11 if the baddest motherfuckers in the company kill them. That won't hurt them the next time they come out on collision. But, uh, one and done, I guess. Well, thankfully for that. All righty. Now we start getting to the part that made me offended
Starting point is 01:47:30 on behalf of all professionals in the wrestling industry. The rest of the show from here was a quick dive into fucking indie-rific heaven, wonderland. They live to do this kind of shit. and the women's title falls count anywhere no disqualification lazy booking Maria May and Tony Storm and they have just this angle is phony bunch of bullshit between these two girls has just captivated all of the AEW fans they have been over the moon as they would say about Maria and Tony
Starting point is 01:48:17 So of course, what do they do? They decide to let them have the lowest clown. I mean, the insane clown posse should have sponsored this. This was garbage on a scale of garbage matches that you don't normally see. It was at one minute in, Maria May pulled a taser out of a bouquet of flowers. But Luther grabbed it fortunately. Yes, he's still around. That was Harley Race's old move on dates.
Starting point is 01:48:52 Well, yes, that's right, especially if the father answered the door. He's got the flowers, he's got the taser, he's ready for it. Luther grabbed the taser. She kicked Luther and the nuts and drop-kicked him, and he took a bump and went over a table, but it was on the stage. So when she was trying to run for the drop-kick, she slipped and got it off anyway and landed on her fucking head. and then Tony Storm power bombed Maria May off the stage through a table
Starting point is 01:49:26 in first minute and a half and got a two count. And I wasn't going to watch this because I said, all right, this is going to be ridiculous or embarrassing or both. And then I realized I need to see which it is and how much of each. and it went off the charts. It set records. They did the long fight on the floor. Maria Powell drove Tony Storm on the steel stairs
Starting point is 01:49:59 and then Tony got color and she's a bloody mess. And they had two chairs and a logging chain in the ring. But then they stopped the match completely so that both of them could go out and get two buckets of broken glass that were underneath the ring and put them in the ring and then sit there and watch each other in opposite corners the ring wrapping tape around their fists outside in so that the sticky part is out so they can dip their fists in the broken glass and start having a fake boxing match where they duck each other's punches until oh boy Tony Storm hits
Starting point is 01:50:47 Maria with one of them and she takes a bump and rolls out. And of course, the announcers say, well, Tony Storm hit her right in the mouth. So when the camera stays off of her for a year or two while she gets her color on the floor, then Maria rolls back in and she got hit in the mouth and it busted top of her head. And then Tony Storm dumped the buckets of glass all over the ring and raped a broken fucking bottleneck over Maria's head. But fortunately, Maria saved herself from further injury by breaking a bottle over Tony Storm's pussy.
Starting point is 01:51:39 Have those words ever been spoken before, Brian? Breaking a bottle over Tony Storm's pussy. Maybe a cafe flesh, I'm not sure, but I've never heard those terms on a wrestling show, no. So they're taking bumps in the glass. They're both covered in blood now. And it wasn't as exciting as I'm making it sound, but it was as distasteful and low rent and fake and phony look. There was a pile driver on the chair.
Starting point is 01:52:11 Tony Storm got the shoe that was sitting on a silver platter at ringside that Maria had beaten her with the high-heel shoes. So she got the shoe and chased Maria back up to the stage. where she whipped her with the title belt, but Maria gave Tony a Death Valley driver on the stage and got a two count. And then there was a lot of milking and nothing happening. And then Tony Storm took off on Maria with the shoe, hitting her in the head,
Starting point is 01:52:44 and then gave her a pile driver through a table on the stage, one, two, three. and Jim Ross said thank God it's over and amen to that from Cornett yeah why'd they bring Jim Ross out for this match because they wanted to embarrass him and have him have to endure that without saying this is the phoniest most embarrassing
Starting point is 01:53:13 bullshit that I've ever seen a bunch of girls doing this bullshit nothing I've ever seen has ever made wrestling look face or more low class than this, and everybody involved should be ashamed of themselves. Because that's what he was thinking, I'm sure. But thank God it's over, sort of encapsulated that. This was, it's embarrassing in a way.
Starting point is 01:53:45 It's in a way, I can't feel bad for any of these people because they're willingly involved in it. I feel bad for some of the, some of the other people on the show that have to be on the same show as this kind of shit. But this is why that a lot of people don't watch wrestling anymore. It's fake, and wrestling used to be, they used to do bad taste and good taste.
Starting point is 01:54:11 Now it's just fake and in bad taste. And it's silly, and it's stupid. And anybody that, I mean, I can't believe there's as many people as this in Los Angeles, 11,000 of them that like this kind of thing and there's 10 million people in Los Angeles. But God damn. Even if you want to see women fighting and barbed wire and whatever the fuck and bleeding all over themselves, it's fucking fake and it's an insult to the wrestling business.
Starting point is 01:54:45 And I repeat, if they can go through all this shit and they're not, fucking in intensive care, then why do the guys have anything to worry about and what angle can you possibly do to the human body to make anybody care about anything ever again? Tell me what you think, Brian. This was a match that it seemed like it divided a lot of the people that watched the show,
Starting point is 01:55:14 and I kind of had that myself. There were elements that I enjoyed for the wrong reasons, which may be a trend for me with some of the things on this show. Because it was ridiculous. Like I imagined I would sit here with friends if I asked anyone to come over for an AEW pay-per-view if you had any friends
Starting point is 01:55:33 and laugh about what we were seeing. I wouldn't sit there really into a match. I'd be laughing about, you know, how ridiculous it was. Maybe I'm in the minority. I don't know. I don't like... I don't like seeing the women bleed. And this was maybe the most amount of blood
Starting point is 01:55:52 I've ever seen in a women's match. And Tony Storm is as one. white as they get and her whole face was covered in blood. Oh, she's translucent. So, again, the spectacle of it, and I think a lot of this is the whole ironic wrestling fan, the people who like Orange Cassidy, the people that were getting behind the outrunners,
Starting point is 01:56:12 they maybe more than anyone else have gotten into the Tony Storm schick, and Mariah May. Mariah May does a good job with everything they give her. But this was a spectacle that I didn't really like, but I got a kick out of it at parts, but I thought it was too much blood. For me, I don't want to see women's matches, you know, that hit the moot of scale.
Starting point is 01:56:34 That doesn't do it for me. And more offensive to me is your first point in that in days gone by, depending on how the people watched the matches, whether it was having to go live or then television came into being, and then pay-per-view, if people went live together or watched TV or pay-per-view or what are the big show together,
Starting point is 01:57:02 they watched the matches to get excited and to see, oh, shit, ha, ha, and you had to see their guy fucking win. Now it's a bunch of jack-off sitting around watching it to laugh at it. And these idiots that are involved in the, in the business now are willingly trying to cripple themselves to do something that they know their audience is getting together to laugh at.
Starting point is 01:57:37 I mean, sure, people laughed at me when they thought someone had killed me because they wanted to see me dead. they went crazy over the fucking matches because we created an emotion in them where they desperately wanted to see their hero win and defeat us at all cost and that was the emotional roller coaster they went on until finally they got what they came for they yes but nobody ever came just to fucking laugh at the silliness and the fakingness of it and if they had I I think I would have been too embarrassed to be doing it.
Starting point is 01:58:19 And we were legitimately doing everything we could not to really fucking paralyze each other. But these morons are doing almost everything they can to end up in intensive care for people to fucking laugh at the silliness of it all. I cannot, I'm offended as a professional. Anyway, would you like to move on? It's only up from here, maybe. Oh, no, there's still, how low can you go? We got the Intercontinental title on the line with our boy, Take a Shit, and his manager, Don Fowless, going up against Kenny.
Starting point is 01:59:06 It's Kenny, Kenny's back. And I wrote at the bell, I really don't want to see any more of this show after the last match. maybe these two young well one young and one middle-aged whippersnappers will get me into this and they started by trading forearms and then they did a long exchange on the floor it's the same shit it's like if you wrote if you write bullet points which i do it's the same shit they traded fake forearms they have a long exchange on the floor if all they do is imitate shit why can't they imitate a match from the 80s or 90s instead of some of this fake bullshit we get these days and then take got heat on Kenny but it's there's no incredible turning point of momentum where the heel cheats to gain an advantage and then gets aggressively on the fucking opponent taking advantage of his opportunity while it's available to him, it's just his turn to be in charge. It's not like either one of these guys are working baby face or healed.
Starting point is 02:00:25 They do the same kind of moves, and they do the same kind of things, but at least take as a manager. So at one point, he interfered when Kenny was on the floor and punched him a few times, and then killed the heat by turning around and hurting his hand on the pump. and selling the hand for the camera and mugging. The yes, that is a manager spot. You don't do it during your guy's heat that he's trying to get. And it's the same, again, description that I give the other match earlier, or gave the other match earlier, fake strikes and rotten basics in between moves
Starting point is 02:01:11 that nobody could ever kick out of. And they just take turns with it. And it was seven minutes in, take a shit, pulled out a table and took a while to set it up, but they avoided it for a while. They came back to it later. Meanwhile, it was just sitting there at ringside in the way and nobody ever bothered to take it down. I mean, they're doing rolling firemen's carries on the floor and Kenny took a bump on the railing. But at this point, we were nine matches and almost four hours.
Starting point is 02:01:47 hours in, counting the pre-show, and the crowd is, eh, and they grab a long hold. And then they kick it up after a while. Kenny goes for a dive, but Don grabs his foot, at least again, the manager interfering. Even though he's doing commentary and he gets up from the announced desk to do the interfering, so you kind of see it coming. And take clotheslines Kenny over the top and gives him a German on the floor. And they milk a spot with the table, but Kenny comes out of the thing, and Kenny turns the table over, and the fans start booing him.
Starting point is 02:02:27 The baby face, they're booing him because they think he's going to take their furniture spot away. That's where these idiots, the position they have put themselves in, where it doesn't matter whether you're one of the biggest babyface in a company or one of the biggest heels. if you do a spot with furniture, they're going to cheer you. And if they think you're going to take it away from them, they're going to boo you because they don't care about you.
Starting point is 02:02:58 Yes, I'm talking about you, not the cult of Cornett, not the listeners out there. I'm talking about the AEW roster, many of whom are listeners. You, you dumb shits, you have all caused this. Because you think that you are characters in a video game. or you are doing some kind of live action underground movie in one take. I got news for you. Tarantino ain't going to pick you up. But you've created a situation for yourselves where you've made your jobs
Starting point is 02:03:32 ridiculously harder than they already were because you can't fucking control yourselves. You do too much and you do too much shit that looks phony and you do too much shit that doesn't make sense. And that's why nobody cares about you. And they just want to see the next stunt. And if you botched the stunt, it looks bad, they'll say you fucked up. But if you botched the stunt and it looks dangerous because it breaks your fucking leg, they'll go, holy shit. And your fucking broken leg won't feel any better, you blithering simpletons. So then with the table upside down, Brian, and the legs sticking up. Now, bear in mind, Harley Race took so many table bumps.
Starting point is 02:04:25 He finally took the bad one and it perforated his intestine and led to the end of his career and he had to have surgery. But with the legs sticking up, take a shit goes to give Kenny a gourd buster onto the legs. Well, he tried for the legs and kind of missed so he just dropped him on the table flat. So then he turned the table up sideways and dropped him ribs first on the. the edge of the table. But in between stunts, the pace was glacial. As they were trading forearms like they were almost dead and then going into the running spots where they're hitting
Starting point is 02:05:00 the ropes. And then more moves. And then take a shit went up to the top rope and they're fighting on the top rope and take a shit, stood on a second rope, bent over, holding onto the top turnbuckle, staying stock still for 10 seconds until Kenny could jump up on the top and power bomb him off of it. Then I wrote, this will not end, just like this review. And then take a shit, did a tombstone on him, but held on and stood up and gave him a leaping tombstone and got a two count. And then he hit him with a knee lift and got a two count. Then he hit him with another knee lift and you got a one count. and I got to sit for the people in the building,
Starting point is 02:05:46 they loved this phony horse shit. And they went back and forth again until Kenny hit a shitty pile driver that he didn't fucking have his goddamn weight or have control of where he was going. I don't know what the fuck. He just grabbed him by the back end of the tights and hoped for the best.
Starting point is 02:06:03 I don't know what was going on there. Two count. And then more. And then Kenny went for a roll-up. but Don was holding Take's hands, so Kenny kicked Don's hand off and went for the one-winged ferry. But Take slipped out of that, and they jockeked for position, bagging forth until Kenny rolled take up with a crucifix and got a two-count, and then rolled through with the same exact thing without even getting to his feet and got a three-count.
Starting point is 02:06:36 Roll up twice in a row. after every homicidal move known to man that had negligible effect on these Cretans 30 fucking minutes and he wins
Starting point is 02:06:57 this bogus belt with a fucking roll-up that he had to do twice. Your thoughts. I'm sorry to tell you, I enjoyed the match. But again, with AEW, I get to a point where I understand and it's not logical wrestling. It's every single match is its own unique thing
Starting point is 02:07:21 where they could kick out of anything and do everything, and then the next match will do the same. I got to a point where I was delirious with this show, and I started enjoying a lot of things for the wrong reasons. But I like this match. Here's a question for you. We were told Kenny Omega had diverticulitis surgery. Where does that happen?
Starting point is 02:07:41 Where would the scar be? I didn't see a scar. That's what I was looking for. Well, that's a good question. I wonder. It's the intestines, right? They would take up part of your intestines. Well, but now there's
Starting point is 02:07:51 there's two things. Number one is this one of the things they can do with a scope these days rather than a long incision and number two is something like that. Do they go up through your asshole? I mean, they might have had a more unobstructed path that way with Kenny.
Starting point is 02:08:05 I don't know. If anyone knows, let us know. Because I was thinking that, you know, they were selling his gut. He was holding his gut the whole time. We took that spot on the table. But where's the, If he had surgery, where would the scar be?
Starting point is 02:08:17 Where's the scar? But you know what? They're missing an opportunity. He should wear some kind of midsection brace on a regular basis and maybe have a big red target bullseye printed on it so that the heels would know what to attack. Well, it seems like they may have known. Don Callis is a manager.
Starting point is 02:08:38 The idea that he goes from commentary to interfering in a comical way, even though you're not supposed to see him as a comical heel manager, What are your thoughts on that? You know, I get, I did commentary, as people can readily see on YouTube in the TBS studio when the Midnight Express was wrestling job guys. And I would, because it was 10 or 15 feet, I would wander back and forth between ringside and talking to the announcers and keep a running commentary. In some cases, trying to make some of those job matches a little bit more palatable
Starting point is 02:09:15 on Saturday mornings and getting the issue across. But if it was a serious competitive match, I didn't do that. I was at ringside and I was there when I was needed. And if you're going to have your guys in a main event match where there's a chance they may win or a chance they may lose, it seems like you'd be at ringside devoting your full attention to that. And if you're going to interfere, I'm going to, I'm going to, understand him to do it once he did it twice you don't get up from hold on it's my spot's coming up to interfere
Starting point is 02:09:52 and then and then get back down and just sit down and put a headset on again it just it's comical everything is played for laughs or with a wink at everybody or a nod or tongue and cheek as they say or yuck yuck and it's just all the again these guys they dress up like their characters and their fantasy video games where they are someone and they go out there and they defy every law of logic and common sense and everything's played for laughs, which is why their crowd gets together to fucking laugh at them. But the damage they're doing to themselves and the wrestling business in general is legitimate.
Starting point is 02:10:38 That's real. And if you see the don't, WWE these days. And you'd never seen wrestling before. You're a younger person or you just hadn't ever cared or paid attention. I can see where you would start to get caught up in what the WW is doing. And or the guys, their personalities, what they're saying, the whole thing. There's movie stars involved.
Starting point is 02:11:06 I can see where, you know, you would get involved in that as a fan. And with this stuff, I can see where you would watch it to say, Well, that fucking wrestling. It's fake. It's silly. It's phony. It's in bad taste. And look at these fucking rag tags, scraggly-looking fucking wrestlers. Half of them look like they ought to be in goddamn elementary school. And it would turn you off from giving anything else a try.
Starting point is 02:11:35 So I'm sorry. That's what I thought. Jim, you know what that means? It's time for the duck. double main event or was it a double main event? Two more big matches on this big big show. Yeah, there were two more
Starting point is 02:11:55 big main events. Okay, I'm going to try to give some unbiased and honest criticism. And if people don't want to hear it, some people may not want to hear it. That's their problem. That's their fault. I'm just offering it.
Starting point is 02:12:13 Without trying to charge for it or anything. Will Osprey and old Kyle Feltcher, there are good things about both these guys. And let's go with Kyle first. He is physically looking amazing. I mean, he has probably been doing calisthenics in his sleep since he got this spot.
Starting point is 02:12:37 He's got the size. He's still so young. He needs some fucking hair. and I don't know if the Pippi longstocking kind of thing he had before they shaved it off was the answer but he needs some kind of hair because he's still a young guy
Starting point is 02:12:58 and you know he's still finding his personality but he's a tremendous athlete and he can do a lot of these moves I don't know whether he's trainable or coachable he seems like a person who's working his ass off so it would seem like he is. I think he's probably being training coached
Starting point is 02:13:19 by the wrong people. Is the promos, the voice, eh, the accent, if he grows up and gets a little older and gets a little based his voice and some more conviction and just oomph to him, you know, have I said enough good things about Kyle? Is that an honest appraisal in your opinion? I think you're giving an honest appraisal here. You're not just ripping him for no reason or anything. Yeah. Will Osprey. Again, he's the top baby face pretty much in a company that's, you know,
Starting point is 02:13:57 consistently appreciated by the people and they haven't turned on him yet. He's very athletic. Same thing. It doesn't look as good as Kyle physically, but he's very athletic and he looks fine physically. and he may be getting older in wrestler years, but he still looks like a young guy. And he's got the curly hair.
Starting point is 02:14:20 And he's got fire and enthusiasm. And he's a snazzy baby face when he works, the same thing I said about ricochet and swerve, when Osprey works with somebody who's a worker who's not going to compete with him in the fucking uneven parallel bars, then Osprey becomes the, snazzy young baby face
Starting point is 02:14:42 using these wild unorthodox moves and escapes and flips backwards to counter that you don't normally see as a part of the match to outdo the fucking guy who may be bigger or meaner or more powerful, then it becomes a story of the thing instead of just flipping about because you can do it.
Starting point is 02:15:05 You're in a video game. He's one of those guys. If he's got somebody like that, then he can use it to his advantage. And he's got the unfortunate speaking voice and the accent. But again, if he's trainable and coachable, not in the moves, but in the psychology of wrestling and in promos,
Starting point is 02:15:29 a professional organization, a.k.a. the WWE would slow him down a little bit in some of the promos where people can underfugging stand him, not have him drone on endlessly about shit that only the most diehard internet mark even knows what he's talking about and make it part of his
Starting point is 02:15:49 bubbly European personality there's all things that could be tweaked but they both of them need somebody to fucking book them because left to their own devices which had to be what this was
Starting point is 02:16:07 it was every wrestler, indie wrestler's fucking wet dream combined with a part of this match that if it was presented in any wrestling territory anywhere in wrestling, at one point in time it would have led to a riot, not a good riot like fans are mad at the heel, but a bad riot like we want our fucking money back and this is bullshit.
Starting point is 02:16:37 and who killed the town. But now because in part this is the audience we talked about, the watches to laugh at bullshit, in part because there's so much of that that people just roll their eyes at it. You know, people just overlook this type of thing,
Starting point is 02:16:57 but the psychology is there for normal folks that they don't get it and they don't want to get it. It turns people to fuck off. Now that I've prefaced, I will start explaining in granular detail, Brian. Are you with me? Maybe not. I mean, I'm with you in terms.
Starting point is 02:17:17 I'm listening to your assessment of them, yeah. I mean, are you with me as far as let's break this thing down here? Well, let me just say, this was one of the most goddamn, this is the matches I've ever seen. You know, we make fun of Owens and Zane for always want to do their indie stuff. This was like the Ulysses of fucking... This was... This was Owens and Zane if they were 15 years younger and ever either one of them had a good physique.
Starting point is 02:17:44 I'd be amazing. I mean, it would be amazing if these guys weren't really badly banged up after this because they did a lot of highly physical stuff that could have been the finish. And then they kept going. This was like an event with one match, except there were other matches. Because they did everything you could ever possibly do at this match.
Starting point is 02:18:04 Yes, yes. You pretty much seen it. This was the... Forever. over and over, just went on and on. How long was it? It was, hold on, I've got the notes here. I don't know how many pages.
Starting point is 02:18:16 Oh, there's the screwdrivers. Wait, oh, hold on. It's 30 minutes bell to bell plus the entrances and then they meandered around a little bit. So let's, first of all, they said it was Osprey's first cage match. He's been wrestling 15 years or one. whatever the fuck, he's never had a cage match. How I get, well, he never worked for anybody that could afford a cage before. Um, I said again, I've assessed everybody.
Starting point is 02:18:51 I said, did you think my assessment of Osprey was fair, halfway legitimate? Yeah, I mean, a lot of people think he's the very best, the most spectacular in the world, but I think in terms of fitting into a system beyond just do what you like, your assessment was very fair. Okay, well, they started out, and you could almost say, well, for the first two minutes, they're trying to, I guess, slow this thing down and pace themselves. I said they look like they're pasted themselves for a long match, which, again, for a cage match, co-main event, should be.
Starting point is 02:19:26 But people have seen 11 matches in four and a half hours so far. But then, boom. suddenly they started opening up and Osprey by five minutes in is bleeding like a stuck hog and I wrote why did they let the girls do it first if you're going to have a cage match with this big grudge between what are your top young heels and your top baby face and they're going to be bleeding and they're going to be doing all this stuff two matches before you have girls bleeding no selling pile drivers and rolling around and broken glass. So
Starting point is 02:20:08 Osprey and Kyle, they worked hard. Their shit looks good when they do their things, but in between the chops or the stunts or anything that's a big bump or makes noise,
Starting point is 02:20:27 the crowd was nodding or just, I don't know if they were nodding or just sitting there staring at it, but everything had been done. And I think I wrote even I would have liked this a lot better two hours ago because they were at least somewhat athletic and nobody had jumped the shark yet. And then Kyle took one of the turnbuckle pads off.
Starting point is 02:20:53 But Osprey dropped him face first on it and then boomeranged him into the cage. And boy, that was nice. And then the camera was off Kyle forever while he got his color, which I understand now they're so shell-shocked by what they've done with Moxley where he just cuts himself in front of God and everybody but there's people
Starting point is 02:21:15 that have completed a gallbladder operation in less time than they keep the fucking camera off these guys but then they go back and forth with the big moves and in between everybody will lay immobile and then they exchanged kicks to the head dealer where they grabbed the guy Brian
Starting point is 02:21:35 by the back of the head and bend him over and then rapid fire and very lightly kick at the area of the guy's head and say that they're kicking him in the head. What do they call that besides fake? Punt? Soccer kick? No, no, no, no. It's some Japanese guy.
Starting point is 02:22:00 Oh. Did it? I assume maybe he did it better. that's why people have stolen it. Barragone? But it's ridiculous. They're not, not only are they not kicking with any force
Starting point is 02:22:17 and they're doing it quick, quick, quick like that to the guy's forehead while he's bending over not registering the kicks. And if somebody had me by one hand in my hair and had me bent over at the waist, it was kicking me in the head, the first thing I'd think of to do, maybe try to block that fucking leg
Starting point is 02:22:36 or maybe just sit down and get away from it completely but they're just leaning and they're not Kyle whiffed him missed completely and then Osprey hit him with a forearm that actually looked good that was one for the night looked like it was knocked his dick stiff but then they either again they do the big moves where they're so athletic and they do simple shit where it looks so phony. And then here comes Mark Davis out with a duffel bag,
Starting point is 02:23:10 not his ass, not his voluminous, bulbous ass, but a separate bag of duffel. And he pulls bolt cutters out of it, and he cuts the lock and gets in the cage in front of multiple referees. And this is what I was talking about earlier. This is what would have killed a town. yes you've always seen a heel somehow getting a cage or come through the floor of the thing
Starting point is 02:23:38 or slam the door behind him and lock it so that the referees can't get in or whatever and do an angle at the end of a match where it's quick and it's chaos and people are trying to stop it but they're saying oh it's no disqualification so it's because it's a cage match so we can't do anything that is what people would have said bullshit the heat would have if the referees are standing there watching a guy, cut the lock off the cage, get in the cage, start helping another guy. If the referees are not trying to do anything about it, then that means that they, by proxy, they approve of it.
Starting point is 02:24:17 And by proxy, that means the promotion approves of it. And that's what would have caused people that wanted to see their fucking hero win. And as we've covered many times on this program, many of them were willing to get in the ring and help they're sitting just the average ticket buying fan if they watched that they would say well fuck this promotion there are the my guy is never going to get a fucking break i'm i'm not coming anymore it would have killed a fucking town you just can't do he he gets in the ring slides a chair in hands or or he didn't get in the ring then he slid the chair in and hands he slid the chair in and hands he's
Starting point is 02:25:00 handed in the duffel bag and then Osprey slammed the door on his head. So he's down at the sub-more on him in a minute. Then Osprey gets out of the duffel bag, a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire and hits Kyle in the stomach and in the back and then starts raking it across his face. Okay, you've got a baseball bat, much less wrapped in barbed wire in a fucking fight with a guy. How is he going to come back from you just hit him twice?
Starting point is 02:25:43 And why are you raking his fight? Just hit him in the head. You've won right there. No, no problem. But no, Felcher begs off and Osprey milks it. And Kyle puts his old armband on. The logo of their old tag team, the undisputed king,
Starting point is 02:26:06 of the eras of the generation. I don't know what the fuck they were. The empirical data. Cow puts his old armband on, but Will gives him the finger and swings the bat, and Cow hits Will into balls and Will drops the bat,
Starting point is 02:26:27 and they go another 11 minutes. I don't want to spoil anything. But Babyface, had the fucking heel that's fucked him around, down, bleeding, and had a barbed wire-wrapped baseball bat in his hands, and it took him another 11 minutes to beat this motherfucker. What a goddamn infectless pussy. They have drawn the picture to make this guy out to beat.
Starting point is 02:26:56 So Kyle then took the armband off, wiped his blood all over it, and stuck it in Osprey's mouth. and then he picked the bat up and swung it and missed and Osprey hit the fucking elbow and another big move and covered him and that's where Mark Davis came in the ring and made to save and Davis by the way now is bleeding too so why did they fucking let the girls do that horse shit
Starting point is 02:27:25 the torture porn segment of the program so now all these stupid fuckers are all bleeding. They've all had possession of a baseball bat. None of them can win the fucking fight. And then what happened to the baseball bat after that, Brian? Do you remember seeing what happened to the baseball bat? I believe the referees took it in the back and checked it for cork.
Starting point is 02:27:55 I think, you know, maybe you might be right because I don't. I don't see any other notes of use of the baseball. So they just decided to start having a fight without the bat now that they've had the bat. The bat was just a conduit to get the barbed wire in the ring. You focus is too much on the bat. The bat was almost like a barbed wire holder to bring the barbed wire. The bat was the McGuffin.
Starting point is 02:28:17 That's right. So Davis made to save and got to sleeper on Osprey. And it just dropped him. And both heels, Davis and Kyle went to. double team Osprey, but he came out of it and whacked Davis with the chair and then kicked him out of the cage and closed the door. But they'd cut the lock off. So I guess now we're on the honor system. And then Osprey hit a Cody cutter on Kyle off the side of the cage and got a two count. And we continue. And Osprey wraps barbed wire around his own arm.
Starting point is 02:29:06 and for all you Southern boys out there who have had extensive experience with barbed wire stringing barbed wire trying to climb over barbed wire imagine what a stupid son of a bitch you'd have to be to wrap it around your own arm and hit somebody with it. But he did. Holy, he had that bat. See, that would have solved everything.
Starting point is 02:29:33 He wraps a barbed wire around his own arm and he chases Kyle to the top of the cage, and they get set down on the top of the cage, but Kyle has pulled out a screwdriver, a bright, fluorescent colored screwdriver, and Kyle stabs Osprey in the head with the screwdriver. And then he gets down and he stabs him in the head with the screwdriver twice more.
Starting point is 02:30:02 And then he gives him a brainbuster. And then he gives him a brainbuster on a steel chain. cover two count what the f then Kyle gets back in the duffel bag which now resembled like a magician's fucking thing where he's pulling a fucking goddamn battleship out of a hat and he dumps out 10,000 thumb tacks in the ring more fake kicks to the head in the manner and style in which I described earlier and he whiffed those two And then Osprey rolled up and gave Kyle a styles clash into the thumbtacks. Face and chest first.
Starting point is 02:30:50 Cover. Two count. Then they climbed to the top. And by the way, I'm going through this a lot fucking faster than it happened because it may sound exciting to you, but in between this ridiculous, childish, fucking sideshow geek nonsense that they were perpetrating was a lot of fucking dead time. Then they climbed back to the top of the cage
Starting point is 02:31:18 and fought over the screwdriver. And Will stabbed Kyle in the head. And then if you told a top baby face in any company in the history of wrestling, we're going to have you hit this guy with a baseball bat a couple times
Starting point is 02:31:45 hit him with a chair a couple times stab him in the head with a screwdriver after having been fighting him for over 20 minutes and then he's going to take over on you they would say what the fuck are you you son of a bitch you would have been so then they were up there and they both carefully and in slow motion assisted each other gingerly
Starting point is 02:32:14 to stand on top of the cage so that both of them could carefully at the same time on the count of three back flip off of it into a Spanish fly. And neither one's Spanish, and they didn't fly either.
Starting point is 02:32:30 They hit the ground. But there was no cover. And who gives that move to who, the Spanish fly? The Osprey was given us to Kyle, wasn't he? Yeah, but okay, he took it worse. well yeah i mean it's just fucks up both guys but you know theoretically the one that was intended to
Starting point is 02:32:50 but there was no cover because kyle just got up on his knees and screamed at a high-pitched squeal that sounded much like a police body cam video of a domestic disturbance said i fucking hate you you son of a bitch and so osprey hit him with that elbow that he couldn't get out of the way of because he was too busy screaming it that he hated him. But then he didn't cover him after he hit him with his elbow finish. Then he grabbed him and hooked him up and gave him the dreaded tiger driver into the thumb tacks. And then he covered him one, two, three.
Starting point is 02:33:34 30 fucking minutes. And again, the top baby face got a baseball bat, wrapped in barbed wire hit the guy multiple times and it took him only 11 more minutes to beat the fucking guy. I think maybe I'm scared of cowl at this point. He's the most indestructible man in the world. It's like Jason. This was he just keeps on coming. It, but it was worse to me than the girls match because the girls match was, I mean, it exposed wrestling is phony and it was in horrible taste and no, sponsors don't want to be
Starting point is 02:34:16 involved in this shit and it drives off all but these goofy internet mark fans. But I'm more offended at these guys as a professional because they could do so much better with any restraint
Starting point is 02:34:32 and any control and any guidance and anybody to sit them down a saddle. Give a fuck how fur you can jump you don't know what the fuck you're doing when it comes to putting a goddamn show or a match together and I am the booker and I will tell you to do this and that and the other thing and you fill it in with color and the goddamn manner in which I like and we'll all get along fine
Starting point is 02:34:57 instead they got a guy that's out there going oh gosh you guys jump so far do anything you want to do so I'm offended as a professional if I were a painter not talking fences and houses, I'm talking art. And somebody just took a green paint enema and shit a landscape and tried to sell it to somebody. I would be offended because I was a painter, an artist. It's my line of work. If I were a singer and somebody recorded a cat being disemboweled
Starting point is 02:35:37 and released it as a single, and tried to sell it to people, I'd be offended. And if I were a carpenter and you were a lady, then I'd be offended if you built a house with no doors and windows in it and tried to sell it to somebody. It's just an affront to the profession that is not anything remotely based on what these fucking
Starting point is 02:36:07 dipshits are doing. And it makes it look phone. and it makes it look stupid and it makes it look low rent and it makes it look, it makes the people in it look like complete goofs. And it doesn't say a lot for the people sitting there watching this shit. So I'm offended as a professional.
Starting point is 02:36:29 Are you offended as a talented amateur? I wouldn't say I'm offended. The only thing I really had a problem where I would say, I wouldn't even say offended, but I just hate it and especially the way it was used here, the screwdriver. You know, it was a throwback to all the other times they used it. Well, you see him stab the guy in the head with it.
Starting point is 02:36:47 Why isn't he dead? Why is he impaled? Anything. I hate the screwdriver stuff. I knew this wasn't going to be a classic match. I knew this wasn't going to build. I knew this was going to just be balls to the wall. Let's do everything we can.
Starting point is 02:37:02 Main event be damned. Let's do every single thing we did. Well, the main event had already been damned. But they did everything here. I enjoyed it. Because again, I kind of knew it was exactly what I expected it to be. Not that I expected all the spots, but this kind of matches what I expected. That's what I expect out of these two.
Starting point is 02:37:23 But you don't have to, you shouldn't. You don't have to do better than that. They have. I don't know about Osprey's potential for learning it, learning him anything different at this point, but Kyle is young and he could be reformed. And you could see him in the WWE program. climbing the ladder and being one of the best athletes
Starting point is 02:37:46 and hopefully finding a personality. So who's there in AEW that's going to sit him down and talk to him and tell him stuff he doesn't want to hear? It's not going to be. Nobody. Who's it going to be? I don't. Nobody, apparently, because they've all either,
Starting point is 02:38:01 the ones that know have drunk the Kool-Aid and are hanging on to suckle at the teat of the billionaire boychild. And the ones that don't know any better just do the same shit that they always do with the same people they always do it with. And if you always do what you always did, then you always get what you always got. Here's a question for you. We'll get the answer probably by the end of the week. All kidding aside, actually serious question. What do you think Dave Meltzer is going to give this match? How many stars over five will this get? It had to, you have to get an extra quarter star per stabbing, don't you? So how many that that would be like
Starting point is 02:38:36 seven? Right. I'm going to say this is going to be between six and seven stars. I think that's what he'll give it. Or it could be the first eight star match. Who knows? This is the kind of thing that he loves because the young kids that he aspires to be one day when he's even older than he is now and he's older than me. They love it. So he loves it because he has to love it because they have to love him.
Starting point is 02:39:07 And love is somehow involved and just, if not love, then definitely somebody's jacking off. Well, I told you earlier, a lot of eight. AEW fans love this pay-per-view event, although it seemed like the love ended at this point, even though there was more of the pay-per-view to go. Based on what I've seen, the feedback from the people who really enjoy AEW, the Love Fest ended with Osprey versus Fletcher. Yes, because then they had the two segments of the night that got the most derision
Starting point is 02:39:39 coming up immediately afterwards, one right after the other, and I felt bad for the first one for part of it, because what have we been saying about production meetings? Apparently they didn't have one for this show, or at least they just, they went ahead and improvised this next segment. Tony Chivani was at ringside at the railing with our friend Ash Ableton,
Starting point is 02:40:07 who's been on this program, and was more eloquent to say the least here. Maybe it's because Tony's a rotten interviewer. but this was one of the most awkward things I've ever seen and I don't know why of some of it because they're promoting Queen of the Ring they had a bunch of their talent at the premiere in Los Angeles I'm sure Tony flew them all to L.A.
Starting point is 02:40:33 Should have flown some to Louisville. We had more fun. But they're promoting the movie, Queen of the Ring in theaters near you folks starring Jim Cornett and others and so obviously this wasn't like a goddamn oh hey look and we didn't know they were here let's just grab this interview and it fell apart they had to kind of know they had to tell tony you're going to go over you're going to interview ash avildson and kelly bergland and damaris lewis give these people some names tony was at ringside there's the three of them standing there uh Ash and the two young ladies.
Starting point is 02:41:13 And Tony says, we're here with Ash Abletonson, the director of Queen of the Ring. And the girls kind of, you know, light up since they're on camera also. And Tony looks over at them and says, oh, hey, girls, nice to see you here. And turn back to Ash like they were marks from the front row. He didn't know who they were or they were not supposed to be in this. He didn't know their names.
Starting point is 02:41:37 So then he, he goes to Ash and Ash is trying to plug the movie, but clearly he wanted the girls to be able to say something, and it looked like he may be trying to save that maybe did Tony forget their names? He just blanked so he didn't introduce them. So Ash introduces them, he knows their names, but he fumbles the pitch on asking them a question. And he's, I'll just take it, girls.
Starting point is 02:42:04 And then, my God, the first, The first thing, the young lady, God. And then these are actresses now. Take it, girls. And then she says the worst thing you can say. Take it, girls. Oh, she took it all right. She took it.
Starting point is 02:42:23 Demaris Lewis, who plays Babs Wingoes, one of the three sisters, Babs Wingo, Ethel Johnson, and Marva Scott. I met, oh, my gosh, they were three sisters. They were the pioneer African-American lady wrestlers. I just saw the video with Cosper. Um, yes, and I forget which one, one of their daughters was there.
Starting point is 02:42:42 It was Marva. I think it was Marva's daughter. Yeah. Well, anyway, Demeris Lewis plays Babs Wingo, but she says, one thing I've learned about pro wrestlers, y'all know you're going to win before anybody else does. So thanks for teaching me that.
Starting point is 02:43:00 And Tony Chavani was just frozen. Also, when Ashvati said, take it girls she had grabbed the microphone Tony had to let go of it but she grabbed it and pulled it in so she could go first and you know you just know that she had rehearsed that and had thought this is such a profound thing to say because in her head she's thinking y'all are the first ones that you know you're going to win before anybody else does then you go out and you prove it to him she's trying to be inspirational right you're the first ones and know you're going to win but what she does is you know you're just take a goddamn diuretic shit all over K Fabe on a wrestling program.
Starting point is 02:43:44 And the fans on Twitter and everybody else were, and she was proud of that. She didn't have any idea what she had done. And then. Before the main event, right before the main event, which, hey, if she hadn't exposed the business, then the main event would have. The first thing I learned from the wrestlers is that it's fake.
Starting point is 02:44:04 Thank you. You know, that's one of the first inside insults I learned when I got in the business. From the boys in the Tennessee territory, they'd go, you would go up to a fucking guy and you'd say, I learned to work by watching you wrestle. That was a profound fucking insult. Your shit was so see-through, right? He had to be there. But anyway, then young, young Nell Stewart spoke.
Starting point is 02:44:32 And then when she finished and she was a bit more. more pleasant and non, and non, controversial. And then Tony was ignoring them pretty much as they were talking and then turned to pitch out.
Starting point is 02:44:50 And you could see Ash hold his hand up and, you know, he said one more thing I want to say. And he just, Tony completely pitched out like, get the fuck out of this. And it was the most awkward thing on everybody's part. hash talked for an hour and a half on this program and didn't fumble anything.
Starting point is 02:45:08 He couldn't make it 20 seconds on this show. These girls looked like they were interlopers on a live interview that just wandered out of the crowd from the way the announcer treated them. One of them, when they did get to speak, exposed the business on a fucking wrestling program. And then the announcer cut the poor fucking director of the goddamn movie. They're plugging off and just said, Fuck it, we're out of here.
Starting point is 02:45:35 And that's the last you saw of any of. God damn it. That was an all-timer of a segment right there. Nothing went right. It should have been a layup. Hey, we got a few actresses in the record ringside. Let's do something nice to promote this movie. They've all of a sudden been all over the movie,
Starting point is 02:45:54 and then they go out there and a girl exposed. If you'd like to see something similar done with absolutely no conversation or pre-planning ahead of time or a production meeting, go to official Jim Cornett on YouTube, and I'll be with some of the same people going for several minutes without anybody embarrassing themselves.
Starting point is 02:46:15 You have anything you want to say? Yeah, the first thing I learned is they know who's going to win. What the fuck? What was Ash? We need to get Ash back on the show now. Yeah, yeah. What was that other thing you wanted to say?
Starting point is 02:46:30 Yeah, what was it, Ash? What were you going to tell Shavani? Are you going to say, you're an idiot? What were you going to say? It's going to be the biggest cliffhanger since Baby Doll's envelope on Dusty. What did Ash Evelson want to finally figure out to say when you cut him off? Babs Wingo says wrestling is fake. If you can't trust Babs Wingo to be on a level, who can you trust?
Starting point is 02:46:56 Oh, what a segment. All righty then, should we? Should we go there? Well, unfortunately, I think I know where you mean, because there's only one place left to go. So let's go there. The main event, the world champion. The world champion, John Moxley,
Starting point is 02:47:19 we take his word for it. We haven't seen this belt in a long time. Versus Adam the Cope, or Adam just Cope, Copeland. Adam the Cope Edgland. He's a legend. The legend with the E-D-G-E in it. The illegible. the illegible legend.
Starting point is 02:47:37 Now, right there, that's got to be a nickname. The illegible legend. And that could be for one of these guys who just scribbles their autographed at Fan Fest. You know, I'll let you do the review, obviously, but this match was horrible.
Starting point is 02:47:55 And I really started to enjoy it. When I told you I enjoyed things for the wrong reasons, by the end of this match, I was enjoying it for every reason that was wrong because it was so bad at every movement, Moxley makes around the ring is ridiculous.
Starting point is 02:48:07 Every movement he like sticks his shoulders back and his chest up, but he goes nowhere. And then he turns around and walks back to where he came from. Yes, he turns. It's like one of those goddamn things that when it bumps into something, it changes direction. But my question was going to be, this match was awful and the fans didn't like it,
Starting point is 02:48:27 and AW's fans didn't like it, and AW's fans are sick of Moxley and the Death Rider stuff. But how much of it was that, and how much of it is, nothing should have followed that cage match, let alone the Tony Storm match. How could you follow that cage match? Well, it's a combination of everything,
Starting point is 02:48:45 because if you look at it, in fairness to these individuals, let's look at it from their side before we switch over to the right side. One guy's 40 years old and facially looks 60, even though he's gotten in better shape physically, I guess being stretched by all those Home Depot clerks, you know, got even in shape.
Starting point is 02:49:09 But one guy's 40 and one guy's in his early 50s, and they're going on the 13th match after, let's see, the bell rang at three and a half hours into the pay-per-view. So five hours into the overall presentation here in this arena. And they've seen 12 matches, and everything in the world has been done. so even the best talent under the best of circumstances would have had trouble having these people on the edge of their seats unless they were about to fall off because they had gone to sleep and their legs had gone numb but having said that on the positive on the other side of things the combined age in this main event is fucking 90 something and while edge has been a top level talent
Starting point is 02:50:05 he's in his early 50s and seen his better days Dick the boozer his work as we've many times mentioned is fucking rotten and his matches are never any good because he has this personality
Starting point is 02:50:23 in mind that he just doesn't look like and it's just goofy and then the entire issue has been garbage because the The Death Rider's thing has been the boar horseman. It's bored everybody. Nobody cares.
Starting point is 02:50:39 It's tanked the ratings. I mean, nobody understands it. He's a raving idiot. Pack pops in every now and then. Claudio just does what he's told like a lurch. And there's old Wheeler popping up looking like a goddamn store clerk every now and in to get his ass kicked. It's just nobody.
Starting point is 02:51:03 cared. I don't think they would have cared if this is the first thing they'd seen because did I mention Moxley's matches are garbage. And then they ring the bell and as the fans are sitting there and staring at them, they traded forearms. You know how many forearms they traded Brian? No. Do you know how many forearms they traded? I don't know, no. 70 forearms. And sometimes they were the quick ones, and sometimes they were the drawback and throw ones, and sometimes they sold them,
Starting point is 02:51:48 and sometimes they didn't, and sometimes they looked stiff, and sometimes they were phony as a football bat. But there were 70 of them, and then one bump. And I mean, like you said, I zoned out because this Moxley is spastic. But the things he does, most of them don't look good, and the ones that might look good don't make any sense.
Starting point is 02:52:12 And his psychology, if you can even apply, that word doesn't count. And poor Edge is trying to do these modern type of matches that the indie crowd likes. And they did about 20 minutes of that. And then finally, well, not finally, but to, start telling you how this weirdness unfolded, Moxley brings in a chair and the referee takes it away. And Edge rolls Moxley up. But Moxley kicks him off and Edge nails the referee
Starting point is 02:52:53 and the referee takes a nice bump to the floor. Now, of course, have we just seen that goddamn spot? Who the kick? Yeah, they kicked off of the pancake Nana in the corner. three matches go, right? Roll up, kickout, roll up, kickout, riff, gone. Okay. What did you think about how physical and verbal
Starting point is 02:53:16 Bryce Remsberg all of a sudden was? Well, they probably told him to be that way. And that's why he decided to take the opportunity to actually stand up and look like an official. But, you know, again, in this company, you can't be a referee and have any integrity whatsoever because they're going to bury you deeper than long John Silver's pirate treasure every match.
Starting point is 02:53:47 It's just, it's unavoidable. But anyway, the referee's down. He's going to be down for about three minutes from being hit from behind and falling through the ropes. So at that time, both Edge and Dick the Boozer are selling. Moxley crawls over to edge next to him, covers his mouth and talks to him for a second, and then gets up and rolls out and gets a couple of chairs.
Starting point is 02:54:13 Yeah, what was that? I swear to God, that happened. He crawled over next to him and put his hand up over his mouth like a stage whisper, like, he didn't even try to hide it. It was right in front of the camera. No, he didn't try to hide it by trying to hide it. He obviously was trying to hide it.
Starting point is 02:54:32 That's how it wasn't hidden. He needed Harley Cameron and her ventriloquism or her cunning linguism or whatever it may be. So then he goes out and gets the two chairs and goes to set up a concerto on Edge, but Edge kicks the chair in Moxley's face and they do a double clothesline, both of them are down. The crowd is sitting in enraptured silence.
Starting point is 02:55:01 And here comes Wheeler out to a small smattering of a groan-type booze. Like, ah! And he gets in the ring, and as they're both standing up, he's milking which one he's going to hit. And they're obviously
Starting point is 02:55:16 standing up next to each other without trying to make any offensive move toward each other so that they can be part of this decision that we are expected to believe that Wheeler is anguishingly making. And then he gives edge the knee. and he goes against the briefcase and gives it to Moxley. But here comes light switch Jay White.
Starting point is 02:55:40 And he gets on Wheeler and grabs the case and swings at Moxley. But Moxley moves out of the way and White bashes edge over the head with the briefcase. And then Wheeler and Jay White fight off. So yes, every great. Once in a while I can think of a triple threat with Undertaker as the referee with Sean and Brett one time. You do the deal where the baby face looks like an imbecile and hits his own person he's trying to help when the heel ducks. But normally that's a spot that goes the other way around, the baby face ducks out of the way of the heel. But since White looks like a goddamn blithery idiot most of time anyway, who gives a shit?
Starting point is 02:56:32 so they're gone and moxley covers edge and the referee rolls in two count god now mox is trying to push the referee around but edge hits moxley with a spear two count and he hits him with two more spears one two the referee is pulled out of the ring by a guy in a hoodie who is revealed to be that da-da-da-da-da-da Brian you did it again kid Christian Cage Christian Cage is now is now at ringside and he hit edge over the head with the metal thing holding the contract and then signed the contract and made it a triple threat match which now the announcers are saying well that means it's no DQ now what's a fun then Christian Spears Edge to count.
Starting point is 02:57:40 And then Christian gives the unprettier. It used to be, what is it now, the kill switch to Edge, but as he does that, Moxley jumps back in and grabs the choke on cage and holds on. And while the Edge is laying there unconscious from the Zabada, the Christian hit him with, moxley chokes cage and the referee calls for the bell well there was the one spot though where moxley had him in the choke and christian put his hand on the edge yes yes and that was that was good spot well it was a good spot except what do you think about it he's got
Starting point is 02:58:25 this fucking supposed goddamn brutal choke on his guy he calmly puts his hand on him one two cat now but it it was cute but nevertheless he chokes out a guy that wasn't even in the match until 30 seconds ago while Edge is laying there unconscious and then grabs the briefcase and just and leaves and the fans are booing and again it's not like the did it come off to you like the oh the heel is one booing or no we didn't like this bullshit at all booing this was a bullshit booing and the place came alive when Christians showed up because it was something it was something after over 20 fucking minutes of this after all the other shit they'd seen.
Starting point is 02:59:11 At least Christian is there okay as there going to be a title change. I think that's what they were thinking. I think they also wanted the Moxley stuff to end. And the idea is if he loses the title, it's over. This is the first time we've seen Christian went out any backup. I'm pretty sure Mama Wayne could take Moxley. They weren't out there to help him for the first time anything he's done in a long time. Also, why cash in there when you go wait like five minutes?
Starting point is 02:59:36 for them to kick to shit on each other more and wanted them to win. And cash in on one guy. And cash in on one guy, yeah. Well, I'm not saying this made any sense. I was just reporting how it happened, officer. I'm doing the official arrest report on this thing, not trying to fucking litigate it in court.
Starting point is 02:59:57 None of it made any sense, but it also pissed the people off. Because what the fuck? And, and you're right they were up for that last 45 seconds because they thought something's going to happen but they didn't realize
Starting point is 03:00:14 something did happen but that wasn't what they wanted to happen and 26 minutes of boredom with a fuck at the end and not even a heel fuck on the baby face but a fucking a heel fuck on the other
Starting point is 03:00:35 heel. And also Christian cashes in after all this time and makes it 30 seconds and gets choked out. I mean, what, find me something good about this for anybody. And now I guess we're going to get more Edge versus Christian, which I don't know if anyone else wanted that right now. Has Edge put over anyone? I saw this brought up the other day. Since he returned to wrestling, is there a younger wrestler that he has actually put over?
Starting point is 03:01:04 I mean, he's let Danny Garcia and the likes beat on him for 20 minutes before he beats him. But no, but in all honesty, you can say that two ways. Edge has not put over any younger wrestler, and Edge hasn't been in the ring yet with anybody that he should have put over. Eh? Maybe. Think about it.
Starting point is 03:01:25 Maybe. But now if another case of there he are. Well, there we are. We'll get him against Christian again. And that's the thing. That's the way they're going because. Edge was flat of his back. I didn't know what the fuck was going on,
Starting point is 03:01:38 but he'll find out later that Christian cost him his chance at the title he had had Moxley covered. So Christian and Edge have heat with each other again. Cage has lost his chance at the title as long as Moxley holds it. And as Moxley was leaving, they were careful to keep the camera on him, as he went through the crowd and back into one of the breezeways, long enough that you knew that there's more shit going to go on
Starting point is 03:02:12 and then up walks Prince Nana to confront Moxley in a breezeway and suddenly a dozen security guards appear. Now, bear in mind, there were all kinds of goddamn people getting in fights that weren't involved in this match a minute ago. There wasn't a security guy to be seen, but now that two guys are staring at each other in a mean fashion. There's a dozen of them there. And right at that point, the camera backs up and you see swerve in the balcony
Starting point is 03:02:47 and he jumps off the balcony with a double stomp on who's he whatsy, Moxley with the 12 security guards as spotters. Yeah. And that's when we went on. off the air. So that's what I guess we have to look forward to now. Moxley versus Swerve. Oh boy. Which one will drink the blood and which one will eat the bones. And then we got Christian versus Edge, the Ontario Sammy versus Kevin. That will be a combined age of 106 in the new youthful promotion.
Starting point is 03:03:26 You know, like I said before, AEW hardcore fans love this pay-per-view event. And even they got to the point where they were fed up with this main event and the finish. That's two different things. They didn't like the match, and then the finish pissed them off. It's almost like a slap in the face. Some people think Tony's just waiting for Darby to come back. Some people think it'll be something else.
Starting point is 03:03:49 Is he really going to climb that fucking mountain? Because I don't know, I might be taking an office pool on whether Darby comes back or not, if he's going to climb that stupid fucking mountain. And here's another goddamn thing. With business the way it is right now, why don't Tony Kahn put his big boy pants on tell Darby the world adventurer hey
Starting point is 03:04:10 I got a contract on you and I'm paying you money get off the fucking mountain and come back here and fucking help me draw some the fuck ill sure you could have six months off with pay to go climb Mount fucking Everest good God we will see what happens that was AW Revolution and the revolution will continue right after this break.
Starting point is 03:04:37 We are in the future. Back where we began. That was as flat as the pay-per-view. Hey. Brad, I would like to, before we go any further now, I know we got the new audio set up, we got to all the equipment, we got the programs,
Starting point is 03:04:59 the applications, the fucking, I don't know what the fuck we're running on these days. But I've got some background noise. I apologize. The, it's the first of the season. It's still only mid-March, but it's a nice day,
Starting point is 03:05:15 and they have come to do my fertilization. They are fertilizing the trees on the castle grounds, and there's a motor running out there. So don't freak out, Brian, if you hear some humming or buzzing or whatever, it's there and it's unavoidable. I need greenery around here. Because I got to keep the castle looking good,
Starting point is 03:05:39 because now that I'm a movie star, I'm going to be on the tour of the movie star's homes. People are going to be coming about taking pictures. And it's lovable. So the tour of the movie stars' homes is me. Well, the last time a fan shut up, you chased them off your property. I don't know if that's a good idea to promote that.
Starting point is 03:06:01 I didn't say they could come by and stop by and take pictures on the property. As they're going to be going by on the tour, they're going to get a bus and they're going to hit that hill just kind of drive it by. And they'll go up over the hill and they take pictures on the way by, click, click, click. But then that's pretty much the tour
Starting point is 03:06:20 because like I said, a tour of the movie stars' homes were in Louisville. So they're going to start down at the stopside and they're going to go down to the fire department and let everybody off. Real quick, what do you think of the idea that Kentucky's all of a sudden making a big push into films? They're trying to have more productions
Starting point is 03:06:37 take place in Kentucky. that was just something before the legislature. Yes. Last week. And obviously you're making this movie in Louisville's, I guess, a part of that. Yeah, well, they're giving incentives all because, you know, see, that's the thing. You heard Ash Avonson say it was, it was kismet that I was here. That's why he decided to make the movie here.
Starting point is 03:06:56 There were a few other minor reasons, but I was here. And that's why they had the premiere here. There were a few other minor reason, but I was here. And now they're trying to get all kinds of movies to come. to Louisville and they're giving incentives and all that stuff because I'm here. I'm taking over. Are you open to more film roles in the Louisville area? Well, of course.
Starting point is 03:07:22 As long as they require. Pants? Only non-gratuitous nudity. Well, I would need to have a good run through a time or three first before doing something like that. But for art, for art's sake. Art Mooney. No, I'm not going to moon anybody.
Starting point is 03:07:48 But nevertheless, but anyway, that's why I got the background noise, because the gardener so that I can be looked good for the movie stars, Holmes tour. But if you want to cancel all that noise out, Brian, would you like to just cancel all that noise from the gardeners out here today? And I got a way you can do it.
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Starting point is 03:13:18 Well, I guess we go back to... It's a deep subject, as Mama Cornette used to say. Of course, Jim, WW had a wrestler named the zombie in ECW. had a very notable debut against the Sandman of my favorite moments ever on the mic and WWE is still there and they were there what night is day
Starting point is 03:13:41 what day is today I can't even speak what night is day what night is day what day is today this is uh Tuesday morning Tuesday wall was last night wow it was just last night it was last it was just last night
Starting point is 03:13:54 in Madison Square Guard the mecca of professional wrestling is what they're now calling it. But they couldn't say professional wrestling on their television show without getting a stern look from the chairman a few years ago, and now they can call
Starting point is 03:14:09 Madison Square Garden, its rightful name, the Mecca of professional wrestling. And they were sold out. They said 20,142. It was a very small stage for MSG over the recent years. I would say we're close, if not there.
Starting point is 03:14:33 And they were 100 miles down the road in Philadelphia on Friday night where they had, what was it, 16, 17,000, whatever the fuck it was. So they've sold just for two regular television programs at 100 miles, they've sold almost 40,000 tickets. And the crowd shots were amazing on that. I mean, I'm not, Jay Uso, O'SO, O. the show, they couldn't resist because they wanted to get Artie with those crowd shots and I'm not going to argue with them. But I mean, the fucking, just the sea of people and the activity and the signs and the fact that they're into it, this, again, I know I say it every week, but how could you look at that?
Starting point is 03:15:17 If you've been on Gilling's Island for the past five years and you come back and you look at that, you said, my God, when did pro wrestling become the most popular thing in the world? It looks incredible, doesn't it? It looks great. Just to see all that. I think Jay Uso in the hallway, just with the fans around them, looks impressive, even though that's obviously not a big crowd. But everything looks really good. A lot of this is stuff they never would have done before,
Starting point is 03:15:43 and yeah, it looks incredible. The only thing I don't like it. I hate that MSG now, you don't have the classic MSG look because there are seats there. They closed off that area. But beyond that, it looked great. Well, and the thing is, even with Uso and the hallway or the breeze, way as they say in the industry um the people that you can't you can't pay them to do that and and you can't
Starting point is 03:16:08 they're not good actors so they they it comes off as fake if you're trying to get him to do that on purpose they're just they're liking him and they're liking this shit and they're into it and they're ah yee and all that shit and that's what makes the atmosphere and again this is just a credible for very little fuck all of almost anything content-wise on a lot of these programs that are hours long, but they want to see the stars. And there was a couple of segments that I thought, you know, it deserved some discussion. And the first one was the Cody entrance again or the Cody promo where the entrance was the great visuals and the Cody Chan.
Starting point is 03:16:58 and his eyes still looks rotten but somewhat better than a few days ago. And he cut the promo, he got Travis Scott booed. He got the rock booed. He got Sina booed. Cina's not here tonight, boo. He'll be, by the way, John Sina will be in Brussels next week. Belgium. He can't make New York City, but oh, yeah, I'll drop by Belgium.
Starting point is 03:17:26 What the, but I can't. it's all part of the scene of retirement tour, right? But anyway, again, if he retires. If he retired, see, you got to, you got to suspectify everything. It's like with the thing with DDP, where you always, you got to see the, the ill intent in somebody or you don't trust anybody. See, I'm the, I'm the trusting one. I'm the calm one.
Starting point is 03:17:55 I'm the fair one. Oh, yeah. The one that tries to see the good and everybody. and you're the one who just sees the bad to everybody and then we meet in the middle and we balance each other out. I can think of at least two dozen people that I've heard you wish would burst into flames. But with love.
Starting point is 03:18:18 But anyway, this is what with Cody, this is what I was talking about earlier, the dusty cadence. And he cut another hell of a promo. And that's the thing. When your champion is over as Cody is, he can talk like Cody does, that's all he needs to come out and do most of the time.
Starting point is 03:18:38 They see him and they hear him and this thing that's been done to him and he tells him what he's going to do to get even about it. But he cut a hell of a promo and it's the dusty cadences there with the ebbs and the flows and the peaks and the valleys. And at one point,
Starting point is 03:18:58 they got, because it's the garden, and there are some malcontents there. They got the dueling chance of, let's go Sina, Sina sucks. But they're listening to all this stuff and they're reacting to everything. And finally,
Starting point is 03:19:16 Cody wrapped up with, and he said, John, sit down, you goddamn moron. It's basically what people want to tell him. 17 is the number of title wins. 17 is one man's delusion and one man's face. fantasy, but I get the privilege of beating my hero at his last chance.
Starting point is 03:19:38 But John, remember, I'm the captain now. I'm the captain now, baby. But a great promo and you want to see this thing. That's the definition of talking them into the building. And Cody does it at this point, like you said earlier, all of this conflict around him has really fired him up to, to cut them and put even more more workshopping into his promos, you think?
Starting point is 03:20:10 And he's gotten to do it now on two different shows, so now it's time for something different. Sina on Raw next week, what would you do with him? How physical would he, or should he get? And how long a promo should he do if he does a promo? You know, I don't know that they need a lot of physicality coming off of what they just did,
Starting point is 03:20:31 and this far away from WrestleMania, but I'm pretty sure he's going to think about it now. Would you rather see John Cena wrestler? Would you rather hear him talk? I mean, he is going to have, and that's what Cody referred to, he's going to have an incredibly, you know, well-crafted and emotional
Starting point is 03:20:52 and fucking promo of some description. They're going to explain his side of things, and that's what Cina's not. noted for is his ability to talk. So it'll be, it'll be interesting how he can, when he was in OBW, he was a heel. That was in 2001, and that's the last time he cut heel promos for the public at least. So he could do it then like crazy, but now he's a completely different person. And it'll be interesting to see if his heel promos can hang with Cody's baby face promos.
Starting point is 03:21:32 And, but I don't know they need to be physical right now because it's kind of in, in betwixt and between. You know what I'm, do you see what I, do you smell what I'm cooking, Brian? I smell what you're cooking. I hate to use that phrase, but yes, I agree with what you say. Well, and then do you smell the, the smell of my farts? I don't know what else to say there. I don't want to just invent catchphrases.
Starting point is 03:21:59 then nobody will understand what I'm talking about. It's just going to be weird seeing Cena come out there. We've seen him come out one way for 15 years or so. Does he come out the same way as a heel? Now that he's a heel, does everything change it? He comes out slowly and angrily. I mean, it's going to be very interesting to see this version of John Cena at this age, how he does this.
Starting point is 03:22:25 Do you think the rock is going to Brussels? If any of the other corporate heads will be at ringside, maybe. He wouldn't just go for the sprouts. Well, what else did you watch on Raw? Well, then there was the segment where Michael Cole had the women's champion and challenger get in the ring together, E.O. Sky and Bianca Belair. and Eo was first.
Starting point is 03:23:00 If she is some type of cog in the deal to get Bianca and Ria against each other or somehow as we said earlier the thing between Bianca and Jade and Naomi, but a short-term champ, Ria wins the thing back at WrestleMania. I don't know what's going on here, but she's shorter than, and the kids by the entrance way, when she's making her entrance, she's barely taller than the guardrail. She didn't get that much reaction.
Starting point is 03:23:33 There was a small, short, Eo chant. And then when she smiles, she's got a very likable smile. She holds the belt up. There was half-hearted, you deserve it for a minute. She can't cut a promo. It's a strong accent.
Starting point is 03:23:49 English is a second language. She's very likable. I just, I don't. understand why she's in the middle of Bianca and Ria and Jade and for that matter, Naomi is a cog in the wheel also. But one of these
Starting point is 03:24:06 things does not fit or whatever. Try to talk me out of this, or can you? Well, I don't mind EO, and you've never really been a fan. However, there have been times where she in the ring has won you over. And I think one of those times was EO versus Bianca. I don't even remember what
Starting point is 03:24:25 Venta was. It must have been a year ago. No, she was the one they decided they were going to like in Puerto Rico, wasn't it? No, that was, was that her? Because Zalina Vega had the big thing in Puerto Rico where she was the baby face, didn't she? Yeah, but that wasn't the one where they just, no, it was Eo and Bianca that they just, they tore the house down. I'm pretty sure. And it seemed like, sure. And it seemed like she was indicating towards the end, not that this makes this any better for you based on what you want. It seemed like she was indicating three-way match at WrestleMania, didn't it? Well, yeah, and
Starting point is 03:24:57 unfortunately, but that's why I'm saying, hopefully there's a cog in the wheel here somewhere where Naomi either costs Bianca, Ria wins a title, or Jade, you know, does something or somebody does something.
Starting point is 03:25:13 But when Bianca came out, she got a little bit of reaction and Michael Cole asked the question, well, if Bianca if you weren't out here last week, would Ria Ripley still be the champion? And she's like,
Starting point is 03:25:30 I was just out here to see who my opponent was going to be and I'm trying to focus on WrestleMania. Well, Ria's music plays and there the people come up. And it's a whole different level of now we're interested in this thing. You can tell. And she started arguing with Bianca, are you scared you can't beat me? You had no reason to be out here.
Starting point is 03:25:51 You need to handle your business. with Naomi and Jade. And then Bianca got mad. So, well, you know you can't beat EO and you're trying to blame me. And while I did like this and I knew it was coming and it would have been disappointing if it didn't come, but I've laid out a couple of things like this in the past on a smaller level. But when Ria and Bianca got up face-to-face, nose-nose with each other and they're arguing.
Starting point is 03:26:23 arguing over E.O. Eo walks up and like she's going to say something to him and Ria just reaches out and pie faces her and pushes her way. And Ria tells Bianca, you're hiding behind Eio like you hit behind Jaden Naomi. And Eo walks back up again and Bianca pie faces her. And starts yelling back at red. Finally, Eo gets mad and jumps in the middle of them and slaps both of them in a very stagy way and then jumps up and down and has the
Starting point is 03:26:56 they're still acting like all of the Japanese girls are nine years old when they have a temper tantrum but at least it was emotional and she jumped up and down and yelled and walked out so now we're got another three way but why are they setting up three ways with the women when they're setting up three ways with the men or vice versa up.
Starting point is 03:27:21 Is it anything you can do? I can do better on everything. What do you think? Whose money is your money on here and this? Well, I'm not a gambler. But I think it'll be a fun match. I'm sure I'll enjoy it.
Starting point is 03:27:39 Who do I think will win? Ria needs to finally get a win over Eio. Eo just won the belt, unless you think she's transitional. So then you're talking about Bianca or Ria, You know, Bianca, for someone who's been emotional and acting out at the elimination chamber, acting out like she's a child,
Starting point is 03:28:01 but, you know, highly emotional in just about everything. Here, and of course on SmackDown, I still don't know if it's crazy to think she may become a heel. I don't know. And then if that was the case, until it was a big turn, I would think she would win the belt. But again, Ria needs to get a win back, you would think, traditional.
Starting point is 03:28:21 booking thinking. What do you think? I just think Ria needs to get the belt back some kind of way, unless the belt is going to be integral in Bianca. And still, again, I think it's Bianca and Jade that we want to see. Naomi was kind of put in when Jade apparently really got hurt. So I think that Bianca needs to step off of Naomi and we'll get to. and we'll get to Jade.
Starting point is 03:28:52 And if they want the title involved in that, I can see what's going on. Ria is still over, but otherwise I think she needs to win it back. But that's just me. Well, unlike Smackdown, Jim, there was a big match here on Raw that I know you probably wanted to see,
Starting point is 03:29:07 and it was the main event. Well, no, there wasn't anything else after the girls that I wanted to make sure that we knew what was going on with them, and then I pretty much turned in for the, oh, the cage match. You're talking about the cage match, Brian, now. And that's what I'm saying.
Starting point is 03:29:26 Three ways, three ways. I'd never thought in my younger days. I'd be so upset about all these three ways. But it's like a mirror image. And this one, the story is there again. And I think I said that about one recently in the WWE that they had the story is there. And, you know, you kind of get intrigued with
Starting point is 03:29:48 what's going to happen, but we will, I digress, we're getting to the finish before we've started it. The best match that I've seen on television, I don't know how long, and this was better than anything on that 13 match, five and a half hour extravaganzo pay-per-view that we just saw from AEW, and better than anything at the elimination chamber,
Starting point is 03:30:15 I could go on, but two guys that know what they're doing with a fucking issue, trying to be serious about their business in a sold-out Madison Square Garden, now you're talking. I know that everybody can't do this all the time. Even if they could perform it, everybody shouldn't do a match like this all the time, or this would become commonplace and meaningless.
Starting point is 03:30:42 but when you got, again, two guys that are over, CM Punk and Seth Franklin Rollins and a stipulation like a cage, they don't need furniture, and they don't need goddamn flame throwers, and you don't need special effects and chambers and clocks and lights and horns. Two guys are working a fucking fight.
Starting point is 03:31:10 It was refreshing. to see a match on a wrestling show that looked like they were trying to have a fight, wasn't it, Brian? After all this time where we just get used to, they're just going to break out into running the ropes and, you know, flippy doing that they just had a fight? They had a fight, yes. That was a weird question to throw at me.
Starting point is 03:31:35 Well, I mean, isn't it refreshing? Can you think when is the last time it looked like they were watching some of that Rick Flair, Ronnie Garvin's shit that they used to do on TBS, where they just were trying to fucking mall each other's face and the straight punch to the fucking nose or whatever. But it was more aggression. But before you review it, do you think the finish took away anything from the match?
Starting point is 03:32:03 No, actually, because I was wondering how they were going to get out of this, because that's why I couldn't believe they were giving it to us. And I say give it. They're getting paid for everything. They get paid when they take a breath of fucking air in a morning. But traditionally, this would be a pay-per-view match.
Starting point is 03:32:19 This would be a pay-per-view match. But now it's a stepping stone to another pay-per-view match that is even more WrestleMania, you know, worthy in their eyes because you throw Roman in and the dynamic with punk and Seth and Roman both and with punk and Heyman and all these. different interpersonal relationships,
Starting point is 03:32:44 but it starts with the cage match. Let me tell you what I liked about it. And New York is a punk town. Seth made his entrance. You know, he gets a response, but then they already started chanting CM Punk before the music. And then, like a Mussolini,
Starting point is 03:33:06 in MSG, and the fans sang the song. And they got with its clobbering time, and punk's got the game face on, and they got the crowd shots again. The fuck, this is a Bruno fucking level crowd in Madison Square Garden, and it's the main event.
Starting point is 03:33:29 And I thought they were supposed to be uncensored on Netflix. They bleeped it when punk called him a motherfucker. When the screen was black, did the screen go black for you a few times during the match? Yes, they were bleeping fingers also. That's what I thought. Yeah, okay. That's why I wanted to ask you. Well, they were, they weren't bleeping. They were blacking out the finger.
Starting point is 03:33:54 Censor, censoring. And they were audio muting the motherfucker. But maybe you can say fuck, but you can't say, you can't fuck your own mother on Netflix. Is that in the bylaws? It makes you wonder if this is what they're doing on raw on Netflix, did they sit down WWE and say, listen, about that Cody Rhodes go fuck yourself moment. Let's not have that happen again.
Starting point is 03:34:19 Well, but again, it's like when I was with Sinclair for Ring of Honor, you could say the word ass, but you couldn't stick something in someone's ass. See, there's delineations of this. I'm wondering if, and if you were a motherfucker, it wouldn't be that you're fucking your own mother, you could be fucking someone else's mother.
Starting point is 03:34:40 you know the old saying motherfucker I may be but the mother I fuck belongs to thee there was a Bobby Eaton so it maybe it's just the combination of fucking and the fact that the woman who's doing the fucking is the mother of someone
Starting point is 03:34:56 you think? I have no earthly idea how you ended up with that but there's definitely some level of censorship going on and middle fingers are a part of it yes and punk is 4 and 0 in Madison Square garden that's that's the rats see that's a way you use statistics to your advantage in wrestling
Starting point is 03:35:15 and they had built this thing all night to packages and whatever in the warm up and finally here he come punk comes in the door and the fight starts and it was a slobondocker a stem winder a scrap even and the people just started chanting see him punk so they they are taking punk side in this and Seth is a heel, even though he's not really a heel, but he's not the sympathetic favorite. And they were working a fight where the stiff slaps and, you know, punches that stood a better chance of being a potato than normal. And it was like they sat down and agreed to apologize beforehand and say, you know, we got to we got to make this look a little bit more legitimate than usual,
Starting point is 03:36:09 and they got exhausted having the fight and got rubber-legged, did a yay boo with aggression, and they had the body language going with it, going with it. And then Seth, for the first break spot, Seth gave him a buckle bomb into the cage, and it was a momentum changer. Instead of just, okay, it's your turn now to do some moves,
Starting point is 03:36:35 and you could tell that they were going with what the people wanted, which was to see Seth be the more heelish figure because Seth's buckle bomb that allows him to get heat on punk. And allowing him to get the heat on punk is because he's still not trying to fucking take a sledgehammer and bash the guy's brains in
Starting point is 03:37:04 and kill him, but he's man to man. He's raking him against the cage, grinding his face, that kind of heat where he's not just a despicable coward, but he's mad at this fucking guy and he's going to get, he's on him. And then he invites punk to walk out the door. They got the, leave the cage rule up there,
Starting point is 03:37:25 and the door is open. And that insults punk and he fires up and foils another buckle bomb attempt and hits a go to sleep and collapses. And then punk gets up and starts getting on fucking Seth and opens the door and invites him to leave. And that's where the fingers got censored, Brian, or at least one of the spots.
Starting point is 03:37:49 And then punk worked on Seth and gave him the elbow off the top. And then a double finger that they missed because it was quick. And another elbow. And then the fans chanted one more time. and a third elbow drop off the top. And, I mean, again, you've got guys in this business in various places that are setting fucking furniture stacks up on top of one another
Starting point is 03:38:17 and taking bumps off balconies through this shit with the chairs involved in the middle and risking their lives and people are just standing there staring at it. Or you got a guy and another guy that are working in a built a situation where the people are chanting over an elbow drop off top rope. This shouldn't be that hard to figure out.
Starting point is 03:38:41 And he gives them the one more time and cover and one, two kick. Oh, God damn it. And then punk's, well, I'll take care of this. And he goes up to the top of the cage because he's going to come off the top of the which is a big ass fucking cage, by the way. But Seth sees that and he climbs up to the cage. the top. And they sit on the top and they have a fight. And Seth almost falls off, but he gets the ropes underneath him and grabs punk's head and superplexes punk off top rope. And boom and cover one,
Starting point is 03:39:21 two, and kick. Ah, and that's where the people chant. This is awesome. And then they start fighting on their knees, but they get to the feet and they're trading punches. Boom, boom. And again, sorry you moved you know and then punk hit another go to sleep cover one two big pop on the kickout and then punk went for another one but seth rolled into the STF and he milked that but punk turned it into the anaconda vice and Seth had to gouge the eyes to break it but then he hit the curb stomp oh my god and cover one, two, kick out big pop and a CM punk chant. And the best part about this is besides fact they're building this thing and going back and forth, the selling and the registering and the reaction time and the timing of in between the facials,
Starting point is 03:40:26 the body language, the pain on the face, they got something going here. And then punk foiled another stomp attempt and hit the, the go to sleep again. One, two, kick out. Huge pop and punk is gobsmack now. What the fuck? And then the fan starts singing, says, whoa, or whatever the fuck.
Starting point is 03:40:52 And then punk curbstomped him and got a two count. And again, the selling and the facials in between. And now punk is by the open door. and the announcers again say he could walk out but Seth is screaming if you want this take it from me so punk rushes him and goes for the GTS again and Seth slips it and gives punk a GTS and then a curb stomp and cover and they know this is it
Starting point is 03:41:24 one two kick out holy shit big pop and then Seth is like god damn it he goes to the open door. But he won't leave. He gets up and comes off the second rope with a curb stomp. And boom, and punk is laid out. And Seth is registering what he's just done and he's cussing punk. And also you hear the crowd erupting. But they got a close-up on it in the ring. And all of a sudden, hands grab Seth and it's Roman rains. He grabs Seth and pulls him backwards out the door and throws him to the ground and the bell rings
Starting point is 03:42:10 Seth Rollins is the winner. And then he gives Seth the Superman punch and a spear. And the people start chanting OTC at the top of their lungs, the loudest chant yet. And Roman gives Seth the curb stomp on the floor. And he's going to do it on the stairs. But then, because remember he's getting even for what's, Seth has done to him in the past.
Starting point is 03:42:38 But then Pierce and the officials run out, stop him from giving the stomp on the stairs and Roman looks up and Heyman is in the cage helping punk up and trying to console punk and I think maybe he was about to give
Starting point is 03:42:53 him mouth to mouth. And Roman sees that and he gets into the cage and grabs punk and runs him into the fucking side of the wire and boom and the other side and hits the ropes and spear. And Haman is mortified in the corner.
Starting point is 03:43:11 Oh, my God, his hands almost covering the jowls on his face. And we go off the air. Now that was 30 minutes of fucking wrestling television, folks. Out of Brian, am I too, am I just too easily pleased these days because nothing is ever any good? Well, this is good stuff, and this was very good, and it was a great match. and the big angle afterwards. I guess I'm not as enthused because I'm not looking for another three-way match.
Starting point is 03:43:41 It was the kind of what you started with talking about this review, and that's what this is all. Oh, yeah, I don't want a three-way, but I loved how they fucking, I loved the match and the finish and everything. Do you think they kicked out of too much stuff? No, because of the, see, it's,
Starting point is 03:43:59 again, there's no rule of thumb, and once again, nobody had a baseball bat. it was every time that they had a logical reason either one time boom the guy gave the other guy the fucking big move and he's thinking should I walk out? No I don't I want to fucking stay here and it made sense and it was logical because blah blah blah or another time a guy gives a guy a big move
Starting point is 03:44:26 but he's so worn out that he falls over and he can't capitalize or another time he does give him the big move and by the time he crawls over there one, two and it's barely a kicker or whatever, but it didn't slap you in the face, insult your intelligence. It looked
Starting point is 03:44:43 like these people were absorbing this shit and their body language and their level of selling of exhaustion and et cetera, didn't just wave it under your nose, oh, this is all bullshit. And when you
Starting point is 03:44:59 think about it. You know, a superplex now you've got superplexes where the guy that just got superplexed bounces up and to his feet and picks the other guy and suplexes him. In this one, a superplex was holy shit and struggling for a cover and oh my gosh, just barely. These moves are, there's something a human being
Starting point is 03:45:30 should be able to endure one would think, even if they're wrestling finishes. It's not the concerto. If it was real, it wouldn't be automatic brain damage to suffer the go to sleep, right? So I can see this because of the way they told the story. There's no rule of thumb, but some things are just preposterous on the face of it.
Starting point is 03:45:58 Neither one of these guys stabbed each other in the head with a screwdriver either. I didn't like, because it took so long when they stayed with a shot on Rollins, even though clearly the fans were popping like someone was coming out. Yeah. It lasted for too long.
Starting point is 03:46:14 He took them too long to get to the rig. It was all the way from the back rather than from the side, like you just talked about, the short entrance. Yeah, that's the only biggest criticism. Well, it did tip you that something was about to happen, but at the same point, I think they kind of blocked it out good because he was on the other side of the ring from the announcer. So they legitimately, if the camera wasn't shooting it,
Starting point is 03:46:42 they couldn't see him coming down the aisle. So at least they got that part. But that was another exciting episode of Raw in front of 20,000 people in Madison Square Garden who would have ever thunk it a few years ago. Indeed it was. And that was WWE Raw on Netflix. and of course, if you were expecting a three-hour wrestling extravaganza,
Starting point is 03:47:07 like the good old days on the USA Network, you may feel ripped off, you may want to sue. Well, but if you did, then the opposing counsel would remind you that you're not watching the commercials if you watch it the next day, you can get rid of all of that, and then it's only two and a half hours, because the opposing counsel, in this case, would be the man, the myth, and the legend himself,
Starting point is 03:47:31 this man call Stephen Pneu a mud show or two those are the rest that's right ladies and gentlemen Stephen Pneu at new law office.com 87750
Starting point is 03:48:10 Steve if you tried to engage in frivolous legal conduct he would be offended much like that I'm offended when people engage in frivolous wrestling conduct and he would take the opposing side to shut you down. But if you have a legitimate case, if you've been wronged or stolen from
Starting point is 03:48:28 or harmed in some type of way by a big corporation or some heartless individual or entity, Stephen P. New is the man that represents justice for the underdog. He takes up for the little guy. And even if you're a big fat fuck, you're really small in the overall scheme of things. Imagine what you look like, you 600 pound fat fuck.
Starting point is 03:48:52 From a shot from the sky, taken from one of these space satellites, you don't look like nothing. So Steve, it'll take your case to because you're minute and microscopic. Stephen P. New, new law office.com, 87750, Steve, if you're a little guy
Starting point is 03:49:10 or just an unimportant son of a bitch. That's right. Stephen P. Newt, the man for you, new law office.com, 8775.0, Steve. Jim, let's get some questions and we'll have more next week because we won't have a giant pay-per-view review. Yeah, boy, thank you. We don't have a pay-per-view for another month now, right?
Starting point is 03:49:33 Uh, WrestleMania and then A.E.W. Uh, roll the dice, AEW. Blackjack? They already did. Whatever the paper view is coming up. Jim, let's get some questions here. This one was sent to corny drythru at gmail.com from Mac. just wanted your thoughts on Rick Flair saying that John Cena getting his 17th title
Starting point is 03:49:57 isn't breaking his record because he claims to have 20 plus world titles. I've heard it's because some title changes weren't recognized or the NWA would sometimes just strip Rick of the title and give it back. Any truth to this? Thank you, big fan. Well, I don't remember him strip any much.
Starting point is 03:50:19 of the title and then just giving it back a bunch. But no, and I don't have the list, the progression of the title changes in front of me. And I, you know, back in the simpler times, when I was a young man, you could just, you could do the dates and the title changes. You could do, you know, Buddy Rogers to fucking Luthez, to Gene Kineski to so on, so on.
Starting point is 03:50:46 And it was easy. but Rick legitimately, the word legitimately depends on there is an asterisk besides what, Brian, about five or six of his runs, at least that he would technically top out at 20-something. There was, he dropped it to Jack Venino in the Dominican Republic when he thought that if he lost the match or if he won the match he would be shot by the militia or killed by the rioting fans so he dropped the world title to venino and then the guy gave the belt back in the locker room and they went back to the united states they did a switch in singapore with him and harley back and forth on a tour one week that wasn't okayed or they just worked it out amongst themselves and they
Starting point is 03:51:45 were in Singapore and a lot of people didn't hear about it for quite some time. And Paul Bosch was on that trip and decided to take photos of it and send them back. That's how people were back. Well, yeah, because, you know, Paul was just on vacation, I think. When he just happened to be there, there was, oh, gosh, what's another one of the switches that he did? Well, there was, one of them in Japan with Baba, was that when Harley, was that when Harley took the Baba's offering and just switched it for a week, or was that Brisco, or was it both?
Starting point is 03:52:22 But did the NWA know about those? I think Baba and Harley definitely had their deal. Brisco may be the same thing, but I'm not sure. I was going to say, what about the other way? He brought up stripping Rick Flair of the title. What about when, like, the Midnight Rider won the World Title from Rick Flair, and then because he wouldn't take off his mask, it was returned to Rick Flair. I don't even think those are on the unofficial list.
Starting point is 03:52:49 That was, it was never, I don't think it was intended, you know, to ever be that way. Obviously, it was just the angle for Dusty to get a win but not be able to, you know, take the title so that they can keep it on flare. But I think these are other nebulous title changes that don't even involve that one. but that's the thing is you get to with five or six of those deals where dropped it to avoid a riot or made a deal in a foreign country between himself and the promoter
Starting point is 03:53:27 or his opponent for a few days on a week's tour or whatever you get to 22 or 23 something like that. So it's you know it's not Rick bragging and in inflating things, it's just the information he's given.
Starting point is 03:53:46 Yeah, and to be... But the official WWE story has been 16, so that if somebody got 17, then they would break it. Yeah, to be fair to flare, I think Rick may be right technically here. Yeah, yeah, he's not making anything up. It's just what you recognize as... And I don't even know if officially sanctioned,
Starting point is 03:54:07 you could make a case that maybe a couple of the 16, they recognize might be a little... A little on a shady side. But at the same point, he had runs of lengthy period, so it's not like that he just had it 16 times for a total of, you know, 142 days or whatever. He was champion for years and years over that run. Jim, our next question was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Z.A. Garcia.
Starting point is 03:54:41 I'd like to know Jim's thoughts on how, today it seems that no baby face would tap out to his submission anymore. I came to this realization after seeing Tazawa versus Gunther. And what most thought should have been a squash match turned into a
Starting point is 03:54:58 competitive match. Oh good Lord, I'm glad I didn't see it. I then got the thinking of the most iconic finishes where there was a huge pop on a submission hold by Triple H tapping out at WrestleMania 20 and WrestleMania 27. Ray
Starting point is 03:55:13 Mysterio on his matches with Kurt Angle. Randy Orton, I guess he meant in his matches, Randy Orton in his Ironman match with Sina, just to name a few, what does it tell you of the state of modern wrestling that as long as you're a baby face, you don't have to tap out, just pass out. Well, that's the thing, and I have to disagree here because, and there is room for baby faces to,
Starting point is 03:55:43 tap out. And the one he mentioned, Gunther and Tazawa, that should have been the one, because yes, if you've got a heel that uses some type of submission hold or, you know, a dreaded cobra clutch or whatever the fuck, to get it over, a bunch of the underneath baby faces have to tap out. And I got no problem with that. But you've also, your two or three, or maybe as deep as the WWE is now your top four or five baby faces, I don't see any need for them to tap out. Then they pass out because they ain't going to quit, but they're fucked, but they're going to take it like a man.
Starting point is 03:56:26 It's some, you know, it used to be something that baby faces never wanted to do, was give up before tapping out was a thing, before MMA and the UFC. When I quit match, I'll never quit. I'll never give up. And whether it was the figure four
Starting point is 03:56:47 or the fucking abdominal stretch or whatever the submission hold of the era was, the baby face would never give up. He would either pass out or the referee would stop it to avoid permanent damage. So the guy left with his honor. He still got to heal over. It was even more dangerous
Starting point is 03:57:06 that he wouldn't let go of these fucking holes, blah, blah, blah. So yes, some baby faces need to tap out for the overall scheme of things, but your top guys, I still, I don't see it. And especially in AEW once again, when they just do it because the heel just grabbed a fucking hold on them without putting them in the position in the first place by doing something below board or on a shady side,
Starting point is 03:57:39 then that just really just, makes my butthole quiver. Would you even say that you're a fan of tapping out? I mean, obviously it's something I was incorporated in the wrestling after the popularity of UFC and MMA, but did you prefer before there was a tapout when people would just have to wait for the referee to signal that he heard someone say, I give up?
Starting point is 03:58:00 Well, it was easier to commit Montreal screw jobs back then. But no, actually, now that there is, again, the, you couldn't hear the guy saying I give up in the old days you, unless it was an I quit match with the microphone, but in normal, you match, you couldn't hear it. You had to, the guy would nod his head up and down when the referee was asking him or if he was immobilized and couldn't do that, then you just had to watch for the referee's face to go, okay, ring the bell. And then you knew. So this is a visual thing that the people can see and know and understand that indicates the guy gives up so I think that's an improvement.
Starting point is 03:58:41 I just think that they've done it too much just because they think it's cooler than wrestling, the business they're in, that everybody's got to, oh, and then I'll make you tap. You know, well, you may not be fucking hoist-gracy, motherfucker, just come up with a finish. Give the guy some kind of fucking bump he can take, and maybe it'll be exciting to cover up for your bland ass. Not everybody has the charisma where they can have a stationary finish that everybody will be excited about. Just think about things like that. All right, Jim, our next question, sent a corny dry-thru at gmail.com, was sent by John
Starting point is 03:59:20 O. O. O. O.O., on Long Island. Oh, John. It was O. Yoko, the song that, well, based on your vocal stylings, I thought you were singing, but let's go to this. From your history of wrestling knowledge. Well, no, instead of my knowledge of wrestling being history, maybe it's my history of wrestling knowledge. Maybe so.
Starting point is 03:59:46 From your history of wrestling knowledge, is there any standard or rule, NWA or otherwise, for how fast the three counts should be? Smart fans know it's usually as fast as it needs to be, but shouldn't there have been a rule written down somewhere? Has a referee ever gotten in trouble, either from a community? mission or in an angle for counting fast or slow. Ha, ha, ha. Well, the one that answers the second question.
Starting point is 04:00:18 First, the one that comes to mind is when Nick Patrick on that WCW fiasco got heat for counting normally when he was supposed to count fast. Remember with the Hogan and Sting business? It's always been three seconds is what people would say, oh, it takes. is three seconds to hold your shoulders the matter of the count of three. It insinuates three seconds. I don't know specifically if there was a rule in writing that indicated the exact amount of elapsed time, but I'm sure they probably, you know, for a three count, whatever. And the cadence says, as the questioner mentioned, a lot of times when it's the big finish and the guys just hit, got to
Starting point is 04:01:09 big pop for the baby face has hit the cross body off the top and the referee goes down to count, it might be a little quicker than normal because it's emphatic with an exclamation point on it. One, two, three, yay! Whereas if it's the heel that's about to unseat the baby face and they don't see how he can possibly come back and the heel hits some big thing and covers, the referee might want to be more dramatic. One, two. and a kickout at the last possible moment, whatever.
Starting point is 04:01:42 But generally the thought is it's three seconds. And, you know, that again, it was embarrassing. And I'll tell you that, he was a wonderful fellow, loved him to death, but Thomas Marlin, when I was a young fan growing up watching television and later on as a photographer going to the matches, Thomas Marlin was Eddie Marlin's brother, and he was a referee,
Starting point is 04:02:07 and he loved to be a baby face. And he wanted to be a baby face so much that you can see it in matches where he refereed, even though he almost never went to Memphis. He went to Memphis when Lawler had a world title match with Harley Race. So he refereeing his red suspenders and bow tie. But he would count slow when the heel was on top
Starting point is 04:02:34 because he didn't want the fans to get mad. And he'd count a little faster or would have, that kind of stuff, it hurts your credibility. But a lot of times some referees, you know, want to do that to make sure that they don't get buried and they don't, they didn't get unpopular. It doesn't happen anymore because nobody gives a shit. They hardly even call a referees by name.
Starting point is 04:02:58 But in the day, sometimes there was heat on some referees for that. My thing that drives me crazy is the, slow 10 count where, like you see a lot in AEW where the referee will go one and then I take five steps back and then come up again, two. It gets the fans to count along slowly, but it takes like two minutes to count to 10. Well, they can't even do that anymore in AEW because even if they're taking a two minute 10 count, if they get the fans to start counting with them, then they will the fans will know when they should have been counted out because the wrestler still won't get back in a fucking ring.
Starting point is 04:03:40 So they don't even do that anymore. They just leave the ring and just, and the referee just stands there and just waves his arms because what else can he do? If a stern Booker gave the referee instruction to count the motherfuckers out if they abuse a somewhat generous count, which ought to take 20 or 30 seconds tops, then count them the fuck out and it's their fault. Then that shit would cease, but it won't until someone does. Jim, our next question sent via the Colt of Cornette Facebook group
Starting point is 04:04:18 by Richard Ives. Is he St. Richard Ives? Does Jim have any thoughts or memories on the Raw Bowl from January 1st, 1996? Oh, good Lord. That was the Super Bowl, was it the Monday before or the Monday after Super Bowl? And that was right before. It may have been well before that.
Starting point is 04:04:47 If it was January 1st, that's, I don't think the Super Bowl has ever been that early in January or close to it. Well, no, that was when it was going to air. That was back when they taped like four weeks of Raw in a, So, well, maybe it's just the bowl games because it's New Year's, right? Okay, I probably, the point is it probably wasn't live. But I was thinking Super Bowl, but it's just the New Year's, the Bowl games.
Starting point is 04:05:15 This was before I joined the creative team. I can take no blame for this. And it was a football-oriented deal where, God damn it, what was? This was even before shit-stained. So this was, it was Bruce and Vince on this thing. I can't remember to look up the raw bowl, and you'll be able to give more details than I could. I think some of my guys were involved in it.
Starting point is 04:05:42 You're at ringside, apparently, from the photos I'm seeing. We have Billy and Bart, the smoking guns, Owen Hart and Yokosuna, managed by Mr. Fuji and James E. Cornett, Razor Ramon, and Savio Vega. And finally... Yeah, they go together so well because they're the Hispanic contingent. And finally, the team of X-Pok and who, I can't tell it. Ex-Poc and Sid, it looks like.
Starting point is 04:06:08 Well, the point is it was like, I think, a four-team elimination thing. Yes, with Ped-Dibiasi, X-Poc and Psycho-Sit. Or 1-2-3 Kid and Psycho Sit. Yes, it was a four-team elimination thing to take off on the football bowl games. And it was the raw bowl, and they had football motifs involved. it. They did one, one time, I don't know if it was this one, where the guys had to wear team jerseys. Are they dressed? They're all wearing, they're all wearing
Starting point is 04:06:40 normal gear. Football uniforms, it appears. Oh, the foot, oh, so that was the one. Yeah. Yeah, that was, I can't take any responsibility for that. I wasn't even there on the creative team, that is. I just showed up to work one day and found out I was managing a fucking football bowl game. All right. Well, there was the answer. sir, we hope that satisfied you. I'm glad it made such an impression on you. Well, speaking of impressions, Jim, another question from the Cult of Cornet Facebook group
Starting point is 04:07:08 was sent in by Armando Morales. Whatever happened to Landon? He is not one of the individuals that was making noise earlier in the program outside my castle here. No, Lannon got fired, and then I've never seen or spoken to Landon again. however, so one of the cult of Cornett members did send me an email and said he believed he knew who Landon was and he was a real fucking moron.
Starting point is 04:07:41 And I wrote a guy back and asked if he, if his last name began with the letter, whatever. And I never heard back to see if it could potentially be the same one. But that's, Landon is, he's no longer an occupant of the grounds. All right, Jim, our next question sent. What an ending there. Our next question sent via the Culticornaut Facebook group was sent by Jay in West Virginia. I know wrestling at its best is suspension of disbelief. But what is the logic of the criss-cross?
Starting point is 04:08:21 Two guys just suddenly start running. Even as a kid, I thought it was silly. Help me understand. Well, when back in the pioneer days, when they went across the great prairie and the covered wagons, Buddy Rogers is credited with inventing a lot of this stuff. And I think Buddy, when I go back and look at some of the older footage of a lot of people, he was a great accumulator. He accumulated shit that he saw and was able to put it together in order
Starting point is 04:08:55 and in what came to be known in modern fashion as high spots. He called it sequencing, where there was different sequences put together building up to a climactic payoff in the ring. But the crisscrossing and hitting the ropes and et cetera has like everything else does after a while when the people in the business and the fans who watch the business, when the novelty of something wears off,
Starting point is 04:09:25 and it becomes more commonplace, the people who start performing it and the people who start watching it alike tend to start taking it for granted, and they recognize the motion without understanding the underlying reason behind it. So, originally, when this all was a working idea with the ropes
Starting point is 04:09:50 and the television era, some of it was even before that, but when it began, if you ran and hit the ropes and came back at a guy, you were trying to run and get more momentum to really bowl him over with a tackle or some kind of thing. But like in a defensive manner, when you had a headlock on somebody and they threw you into the ropes, you were off balance. And the only thing that stopped you from being thrown further was the ropes.
Starting point is 04:10:20 But then those ropes, because of the spring, you would bounce back in the other direction of the guy was waiting on you with a punch. But then there's the drop down. Let's say that you've got a headlock on the guy, but the guy throws you into the ropes, but because you've had the headlock on him, he's disoriented. And he doesn't realize where he is, and he sees you coming back off the ropes at him,
Starting point is 04:10:43 and he drops down to either evade your charge or to try to trip you. But you see that it just in the nick of time, and you jump over him so he doesn't trip you. But then you're off balance and you continue running until the ropes stop you. Rogers was an example, the best known, but there were of guys that could do this like they were out of control and it was really happening in real time.
Starting point is 04:11:12 Where you lurched toward the ropes fast and off balance and when you bounced back, you could tell by the look and their expression, their body language, they weren't control of themselves. when the guy dropped down, oh shit, they almost trip. But later on, as this just became done over time more and more, and by more unqualified performers, it became, let's see how smooth we can hit the ropes and how effortless we can make this look
Starting point is 04:11:43 and how, you know, we'll just start hitting the ropes and running and dropping down and jumping over each other. and it loses an element of the spontaneity that it comes when guys look like they're out of control and they're reacting to the other guys' movement to try to avoid them instead of cooperating with. Have you ever heard that explanation before, Brian, or am I just droning on at the mouth?
Starting point is 04:12:09 What you are saying, it makes perfect sense, but I've never heard anyone explain it because I've never heard anyone really ask that question before. Well, that's what it, it's like everything else. the stuff that started out in wrestling looking primitive and like it was done very spontaneously on a spur of the moment, the guy just had the idea as it's been more polished. And a lot of these moves made safer because some of this shit back in the old days, these fucking guys, no wonder they were tough.
Starting point is 04:12:38 That shit hurt on those fucking rings and the bumps they were taken. So as everything, it was smoothed out and polished up and et cetera, you know, it became smoother and more performative. So now fans that don't understand, like the guy that asked this question, don't understand, why are they just hitting the ropes until somebody does something? That's what it theoretically started out to be. All right. Well, Jim, let's go to our next question.
Starting point is 04:13:13 Asked an answer there. This was sent to corny drive-thru. to gmail.com from Sue deep, a listener from Nagpur. How deep? Sue deep, S-U-D-E-P, a listener from Nagpur, India. Oh, so it's not like first name Sue, last name deep. I like balls deep, Sue deep. No, it's not like balls deep, it's Sue deep, one word.
Starting point is 04:13:37 Sue deep, one word. So balls deep could be one word. I don't, do you hyphenate that? Hello, over there in India, Sue deep. Let's get to his question. I was wondering if there's anything that Jim thinks modern wrestling does better or if it was objectively better in the old days. So anything you think they do better now?
Starting point is 04:13:59 Oh, God. Well, I mean, in modern wrestling, does that encompass every aspect of the promotion and the company production has never been better? The coverage of the shows and the not only the, quality of the video with high deaf and all that stuff, but just the work that's put into it and the advances that have been made, the productions never look better. And there's a, honestly, the guys that are the top orators now, the top, very top speakers in the business, they may be the all-time best because they can go out there and do 20 minutes
Starting point is 04:14:42 and have people captivated without, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of, you know, a lot of, you know, of the great promos from the even the territory days after anybody but luller or bachwickle or some really articulate son of a bitch after the three minutes of doing their gimmick and cutting their promo it would have gotten brutal if they were out there for much longer so it's it's sad in a way that the guys that really could talk as themselves spontaneously on off the top of their heads with no pre-planned shit, they were more plentiful in the territory days,
Starting point is 04:15:20 but the guys that are at the very top now, even if they have to plan a little bit, they still have incredible delivery. And I'm talking the punks and the Drew McIntyres and et cetera. The guys now are better athletes without being better workers. They're not, even the guys who are good workers aren't as good a workers as the territory
Starting point is 04:15:45 guys were because they don't have the reps, the sheer number of times the experience against a variety of opponents in different places with different styles and just being in the ring over and over in front of people, and having anything that could possibly happen to you and trying to figure out how to deal with it. So the guys were better workers, not only because of the experience, but also because they had to convince people in them and in their issues because that's how they got paid. There was no, you know, guaranteed contracts or whatever. So that's why the territory wrestling, I think the guys looked more like they meant it
Starting point is 04:16:30 more serious most of the time. There's always shitty wrestling, especially in some places. I've mentioned don't try to go back and look at Kansas City's greatest hits. But the pace was quicker in the territories. Guys, look at, somebody tweeted, Dougan and Gordy,
Starting point is 04:16:51 I believe it was, in Mid-South with just a fucking no dear, maybe it was Dougan and Dr. Death. I think that was-D-Bi-Bi-A-W-D-Bi. Dugging and Diby-I. Well, no, I think mine was Duggan and Dr. Death, but nevertheless,
Starting point is 04:17:05 they're, they look like they're killing each other and they're fucking hitting each other. And people, but that's that physical level of aggression today has slowed down into pre-planned, you know, choreography to some degree. Catch me. Catch me.
Starting point is 04:17:24 So there are more positive things or things that are better at have improved, but the root of the performance of the business is just, that's the problem. It doesn't look like the same thing because it's not, and that's what's not superior to the old days. All right, Jim, let's get one or two more and then get the hell out of here.
Starting point is 04:17:49 Why do you always say it like that? I'm going to start thinking you don't like me no more. I like you. But, you know, sometimes we hear from the listeners, hey, I emailed my question and it didn't get on the air. Why are you ignoring me? Now, first of all, I want to point out
Starting point is 04:18:02 we get thousands of emails, and of course we have Twitter and Facebook. We do our best. A lot of you also... Some of them ain't really exciting now. Well, some ask questions that have already been asked. I mean, could Jim talk about managing Yokosuna? That's a pretty broad question, but there are plenty of videos on that.
Starting point is 04:18:21 Here's an example of one that I'm sure the person will be... I'm not even going to use their name. I'm a proud Tiffany fan, having just discovered her last year. I was born the same year as Jim, so I was unaware of her in the late 1980s. In reading up on her career, she was mocked, cruelly and incessantly about not writing her hit songs. She had two number ones and two more top tens. She was often compared unfavorably to Debbie Gibson, who did write but didn't have nearly as strong a voice. In discussing the death of Roberta Flack, Jim talked about how the performer need not have written a song if they can't interpret.
Starting point is 04:19:08 it. I'm requesting for Jim to... Now wait, now, I think they even phrased that wrong. Jim... I think what the point I was making was, if they interpret it properly, they didn't need to write it. But nevertheless, I am requesting for Jim to cut a promo as if it was late 1987 and he is Tiffany's manager. And someone asks him why he doesn't write and that, why she doesn't write, excuse me. And doesn't that, doesn't that, track from her, especially compared to Debbie Gibson. To get a quick idea of just how amazing Tiffany is.
Starting point is 04:19:45 By the way, if anybody's wondering why sometimes we don't ask a lot of the viewer questions. Check out the first 30 seconds or so of her cover of Otis Redding's classic, These Arms of Mine. Oh, good Lord. So someone sent this in. They really wanted you, I mean... I thought, like everybody else in a civilized world when you opened with, I am a Tiffany fan.
Starting point is 04:20:11 I thought you meant Tiffany Stratton. So did I when I started reading it. But this gentleman who I'm sure owns a stained raincoat is talking about the maven of the shopping malls, the queen of the home shopping network, Tiffany, who she launched her career in the 80s as a teen pop sensation by having her management book her to do concerts and shopping malls for little teeny tiny, itty, witty-bitty girls.
Starting point is 04:20:47 Smart idea. And it worked. It was brilliant, yeah. That's where I got the idea to start booking all the top WWF talent at the sports card shows at the mall, see, from we were following the Tiffany model. But so the question is, did this person that asked this question, did he leave the address that we can report to some state authority? Or is this one of the overseas fans
Starting point is 04:21:13 We don't need to worry about it. Well, again, I'm not going to say his name, and I almost hope he's joking with this email. But we get a lot of these. Like, have Jim cut a promo on this person? Or can Jim tell us how he would book 1985 world class? Just all sorts of like...
Starting point is 04:21:30 An essay question there. Like, well, when I got the fan mail, some reprinted in the Midnight Express book where the old woman wrote me and said, I used to think that my uncle Dan down on Murray Avenue was the worst human being that ever walked the earth, but you got him beat. You know, it means something to them. Well, again, that was an example of some of your viewer mail that we get, and unfortunately we can't get to everyone's questions, but here's our final question here this week, Jim. Do you want breakfast at Tiffany's? Yes, I believe I will lick on her leg.
Starting point is 04:22:09 All right. Well, let's go to this final question here. This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Kevin in San Jose. Are those not the words? I always thought, I sing this out loud whenever they do school plays. What is the difference to Tiffany's? What is the difference between a booker and a producer? I've heard these terms over the years and they sound exclusive.
Starting point is 04:22:39 used interchangeably. Can you differentiate between the two? I'm trying to figure out way too clearly and concisely, and of course that's shot to hell already. The Booker would be the person who has determined that Brian and Jim are going to face each other at WrestleMania. And the Booker has determined that Jim is going to defeat Brian, because what other finish could you call?
Starting point is 04:23:05 And the Booker has written the TV show leading up to promote this, where Jim and Brian are going to have a promo that's going to devolve into a physical angle to set the match up. That's what the Booker has done. But then the producer, after the production meeting, the producer either, if it's a match, it's going to be one of the trusted old wrestling hands
Starting point is 04:23:31 or if it's an interview, it may be one of the younger whippersnappers. But the producer is going to sit down with those guys on that TV show where they're going to have that interview and shoot that angle. And they're going to say, you know, so, I mean, now they've got writers, so everything's written. But traditionally, the producer would kind of go over it with them again. Remember, he did this to you and you did that to him. So you're mad about that.
Starting point is 04:23:55 You're going to talk about that. You're going to talk about this. Hey, he'll tell them where the camera is going to be. If there's any props going on, he'll produce that individual segment to make sure there's nothing that's forgotten. do they need a fucking contract signing table and then on the the physical part of it or if it's a match the producer would sit down with them and help them work out a match that makes sense and know where the spots were going to come where the commercial breaks would go and then help them work out their finish knowing that well this guy does these couple of moves good and this guy does these things good and we could work that again just brainstorm with them and put them their presentation together and then either go sit in the truck with the director and the producer, the main producer of the show in the truck, or sit at the guerrilla position on IFB so that they can tell the TV truck, hey, coming up here at a minute, he's going to do the
Starting point is 04:24:58 big dive on the left-hand side, don't miss it, that's going to be your break spot. or he's reminding them that as soon as they say this line in the interview, so-and-so is going to pull a blackjack out of his pocket and fucking bash the other son of a bitch over the head to make sure that we don't miss the shots and that everybody understands what's going on in the truck that they're shooting. That's what the producer does. That's a simpleton's overview of it.
Starting point is 04:25:25 It's a lot more complicated than that. Do you think Booker is even a term that could be applied to anything nowadays in terms of how, I guess, with AEW, there's firmly a Booker, but with WWE, is there a Booker, or is it more like the Bill Watts' Bill Dundee dynamic, but a lot of Bill Dundee's? No, no, no, no, no. Well, in the WWE, it's more like,
Starting point is 04:25:47 I think they've finally got the writers in line where they know the kind of flavor of the product and Triple H is getting what he wants, but he doesn't have to put everything, goddamn word on paper. For instance, if Road Dog is the headwriter or SmackDown, is he a Booker? No. That's what I'm saying. There's no
Starting point is 04:26:09 Booker per se, but there is some level of booking structure. But there's no individual Booker. Triple H is the overseer of a lot of individuals. With Tony, yes, he calls himself the Booker, but he's in a worse position
Starting point is 04:26:25 because he's got a bunch of other people doing shit they want to do. It's the talent. It's just that he doesn't have a structure where there's clear control over them. And even if you're letting John Sina and Cody Rhodes do mostly what they want in the ring, you would still have one of your trusted producers, because that's a money match, sit in and make sure that he knows what they're going to do and that you know what they're going to do before it gets done and that doesn't have.
Starting point is 04:26:57 So in the smaller companies, I'm sure there's bookers still, but very few in the traditional sense where the booker was in charge of the wrestlers who was hired and who was fired, the house shows what the cards were and who went over, and the TVs, who was featured, who was pushed, and how and who went over. and there's nobody with that level of control over those that many things anymore, probably in this business. And that's why the promoter had to worry about running the business and pay it everybody and make it a profit. He had to worry about renting the buildings, getting the TVs and the TV stations, and the newspaper and his publicity and his local promoters all pulling the same rope,
Starting point is 04:27:46 and then sit back and his booker ran the talent. that was all you needed. Now you... You need a lot more shit than that. Well, that was all the shit you're going to get here this week. With that, the drive-thru is closed. All right, where does this go? That was almost pacifistic.
Starting point is 04:28:17 Well, we'll pacify you with more wrestling talk on the Jim Cornett experience in a few days, wherever you find your favorite podcast, and of course on the official Jim Cornett YouTube channel, and on the drive-thru next week. wherever you find this fun show. Cornets collectibles at Jimcornet.com. One more time, what's going on, Jim? Well, Hotchka's Feather Bottom is sending things out as fast as his little fingers will carry him,
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