Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 384

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews John Cena's confrontation with Cody Rhodes on WWE Raw, as well as Smackdown! Plus Jim answers YOUR questions about Vince Russo, getting fired, Vince McMahon at the Knicks game, the 7 year rule, items thrown at wrestlers & more! Also, From The Files: Lil Al Vavasseur! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Ah, not's the wrong intro. Hello again, friends. And you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Coronet's Drive-Thru right here. It's a breezy day in the Northeast. I'm pretty sure we're about to find out about the weather in Louisville, Kentucky. We got wrestling talk, we got questions, we got reviews, and so much more with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornette, Mr. Jim Cornett. Well, first of all, I feel like I'm on a local...

telethon for you know fallopian research or something with the organ music and then coming into the you know and we're back and now here comes the possum juggler all right anyway how's your weather it's fucking

it doesn't suck now but it has sucked here and my sleep is all off and I'm I'm snurfully today so if you if you catch me sniffling I apologize because we had 80 degree weather for a couple days in a row, and then of course we had severe weather,

including tornadoes up in southern Indiana, hail the size of canned hams. David Letterman actually predicted that one time when he did the weather on Channel 13 in Indianapolis. They had like large hail in places and torrential rain, and in the next day it was 30-something degrees, and this morning it was 30-something, and now it's 60-something within a few hours. and my sinuses are a disaster area. But I'm powering through, Brian, because we owe it to the people, the cult of Cornett, the listeners out there,

we do it all for them. We're not like John Cena, ungrateful after 25 years of worship and idolatry. He's thrown it all away. He's thrown it all away. We're not like him, though, are we, Brian? we appreciate the people that have made us the, the megastars and the magnitude of us that exist today, don't we?

Do you? We appreciate the people. You're the megastar. I'm just a little idiot over here, but you are the megastar and the people should blame you for anything they have to blame anyone for. But do not shortchange yourself. You're not little. So don't be saying stuff like that.

That is a wonderful setup for, from the files later today. actually. Well, we have a lot of discussion of some idiots today. But anyway, that's the weather update. But it's looking up now until tomorrow when we have a chance of more severe weather. And then it's going to snow again. Well, that was the weather. This is my show.

Let's now go to sports. And last night at the NBA, at the NBA, at Madison Square Garden for the NBA. Let's go to the NBA side of things. We'll get to spring training after this. Then Knicks played basketball. But they were not the main event. Did you see what was happening last night at the game? Well, apparently, as Big Bad John said one time,

face to face, they faced each other. Apparently, from what I understand, and it could be too unrelated incidents, but Tracy Morgan, famous comedian and survivor of the New Jersey Turnpike, was on one side of the basketball court, and Vince McMahon disgraced former pro-reased former pro-revember, wrestling entrepreneur was on the other side of the court, and Tracy Morgan took a good look at him and lost his fucking lunch all over the floor. And they had to carry Tracy Morgan out.

Are the, were these incidents connected or unrelated? We don't know for sure. I mean, a part of me thinks that maybe Vince turned to the person he was with and said, he's going to, he's going to puke. He's going to puke. I don't know that that happened, though I'd like to believe it did. Vince McMahon, of course, it was St. Patrick's Day, and he's proud of being Irish. He was all in green. I've never seen him look like this before, except for his Sputnik-Mon-Roe flash of white hair.

No, now, Sputniks was more controlled in a particular area. Vince is kind of look more like he's fucking, the skunk that Pepey Lepew thought we was chasing, the cat that crawled under the white fence is what I'm trying to say. But now here's the question. When Vince looked over there and saw Tracy Morgan puking, did he say good puk, Shelton? Was he upset that he was no longer the main...

Yo, you didn't put that over? For heaven's sake. You know what? Hold on. It took me a second to realize exactly what you were saying there. Oh, my God, yes. For anyone who doesn't know, it took me a sad. For anyone who doesn't know, Vince McMahon famously in a, I guess a company-wide,

a roster-wide meeting, was taking questions from the wrestlers. And who was it who spoke up? Do you remember? You know what? That's the only part of the story. I can't remember. It was another one of the African-American wrestlers that was on the roster, but hadn't been there as long as Shelton had. And when the guy asked the question, Vince set out in front of everybody, good question, Shelton. Well, again, Vince McMahon at the game. Do you think he was mad that he was no longer the thing that everyone was talking about?

He was sitting courtside. You don't sit courtside if you don't want to be noticed, and he was wearing all green. Yeah, his weird 80-year-old man and all green shows up. It looks like a lepricon at this point. Well, weird and 80 years old, but well-groomed. Lepricon shows up behind the court. of, which bench was he behind? Was he on the home team or what was going on there?

You know, I didn't actually see the game. I think it was the away team. And now that I think about it, based on the way he was dressed, maybe he's trying to win back the love of his child horn swoggle. I don't know, but. Well, and Tracy Morgan, he's a New York guy, right? Oh, Big Knicks, man. Big Knicks.

Yeah, he would have been on the side of the home team, so they're on opposite sides of each other. And when they got the shot of Vince, apparently they showed him on whoever was telecasting this game. And the Kairon's a former wrestling promoter. Current pervert. I was about to say there was a lot of people on Twitter saying maybe they didn't Google Vince before they announced his current occupation or status. Maybe this is a setup. Maybe this is like something he's set up for the cameras.

We're in New York, Madison Square Garden, what speaks of Vince McMahon and the McMahon family more than that. Maybe he has a new thing, he's starting up, Puk Stars, where he gets famous, where he gets famous, so that he just vomit while he does commentary over it. No, and to be fair to poor Tracy Morgan, apparently now there's,

there's pictures of him with the thumbs up in the hospital. They said it was food poisoning. I don't know, they may have left unsaid. Did he have any? well, did he have it? Since he was behind the the Knicks bench desk, I was going to say,

bench, do you think he was in there catering it? Is there a lawsuit going to happen there? Because he just, somewhere he ate right before the garden didn't agree with him. But we're glad he's well. And meanwhile, we're still not sure how many other people puked

just because Vince was there. But it's Madison Square Garden, so he had no problem. knowing somebody to get court side tickets, but I would, yeah. I guess that's why he couldn't be on the home team, because those are all reserved for the more important people. Again, lots of people go to those games, lots of famous people sit courtside at various NBA games

all around the country all year long. But this is the second time we've seen him in public since appearing like on the field at the Super Bowl. He's not hiding, and he's almost going out of his way to be seen. it would appear. Well, think about this also. This is the most times he's been seen in public that wasn't related to his work since 1984.

Where else did you ever see Vince go anywhere to do anything? You know? So, yeah, he obviously wants to let people know at least he's still alive and ambulatory, but I don't, I don't know what other kind of publicity. He's like David Bowie. Every time you see me, he looks different now. Every time, it could be weeks apart. Yeah.

It's like a different person. Well, is he, at least he's left of, what would that have been, the Ziggy Stardust phase of his life and moved on to, or maybe it was Aladdin sane. Well, here's the other thing. Speaking of sanity, he's dressed up all in green on St. Patrick's Day. Did he just come into the city? Maybe he was staying in a city, but did he just come? out of the apartment for the Knicks game? Or was he out at the bar?

Did he have a big same... Who goes to a big St. Patrick's Day dinner and like a fancy restaurant all dressed in green? I don't know. He's 80 years old. You think he's going to go out onto town and bar hop into the various Irish pubs around the neighborhood? I don't know.

That's what I'm asking. What do you think his night was like considering what he was dressed up like to sit courtside at the Knicks game? I think he probably is either. was either having a dinner with a few particular confidants before or after that, and he was probably dressed because he knew that they were going to see. Confidants.

We'll call them confidants now. Better than it. Unindicted co-conspirators, perhaps. Confidants. Well, we'll see what happens. But, yeah, but he knew he was dressed like that because he knew he's going to this fucking ball game and in his mind, but I didn't see a wide shot, so I'm sure his shoes weren't green. He didn't go that far, but it was still, it was expensive green shit.

It wasn't like a goddamn, you know, a pleather outfit that the local weatherman puts on for St. Patrick's Day. It was expensive green shit, but. Walt Clyde Frazier looked over at him and said, this guy's dressed like an idiot. Don't you dare to Clyde was one of my inspiration. Well, that is the Vince McMahon on the town report. We have gone, we've covered so many different areas, weather, sports, and now society. Back to you, Jim. Well, you know, just before we get started with your program, I had mentioned to you earlier,

something tickled me, and I thought we might have a scholarly dissertation and discussion about it because there this of course was again the germ of this idea came up from somebody who didn't like some we said about their favorite wrestler here on some clip they were on

Twitter and responding to and saying there's a number of common misconceptions about me two basic ones and both of them have been promulgated and proffered over the

recent past by people who can't handle the truth. And one of them is, oh, Cornett doesn't hate Vince Russo because he's a rotten human being and the worst thing it ever happened to wrestling. He hates him because he's taking his job. They took my jobs. And he's been so much more successful

and Cornett's stuck in the past so he's jealous. And then that sometimes bumps in. to the more the one that the indie rific crowd likes to put forth when I talk about their shortcomings. He hates the modern wrestling

because I've been fired from every job I've ever had. All my companies have gone out of business. Nobody will hire me so I'm jealous. And then they bump together because most of the people who believe this despite evidence testimony of various people

to the contrary, they're the children who weren't actually alive when much of this stuff took place or have just recently found out about the inner workings of the rasslin and they just unfortunately they've been led down the garden path by people they shouldn't be listening to that don't have the the facts and the figures and the dates to places and documentation and things that we have here on this program right and we've told the various stories about my, from my perspective, why I got mad at these people or they got mad at me or whatever, this company,

in that company. But, you know, I thought because the children who weren't alive, like I said, when some of this happened and also people who have been sold a bill of goods, basically the childish minds, by the childlike minds, I thought let's examine this side by side

and just compare, for example, me and once again, because it's a scholarly dissertation, I won't call him shit-stain, I'll call him Vince Russo, do we make sure we know who we're talking about, and or we might bring some of these other people in as well to see how that they have outperformed me and how all of my shit's been a disaster, but just side-by-side.

Let's just do the numbers. Do you have a pen, Brian? Can you make check marks? Yeah, sure. Let's give me work. Hold on. Well, just if you can make some check marks. We just, we want to keep a score here.

We're trying to keep score. Okay, I'm ready. Because, again, I got another one of these tweets. Well, you know, you've been fired, blah, blah, blah. How many times have I been fired in the wrestling business? We've gone over that in the past. but have we compared it to how many times that Vince Rousseau has been fired

in a wrestling business? Because I can pretty much count three times from the same fucking company. But now let's think about this. All of my stuff's on record. You can look it up on a YouTube channel, so we'll just basically go over the main points. But I got in the wrestling business

as a professional in 1982. and except for the summer of 83, I was fired, but I don't take it personally because only closed a whole territory, right? So it wasn't just me. Otherwise than that, we can pretty much document. It's been public record that I was never fired in the wrestling industry for the next, what it was until 2020, 19, 1982 until, 1982 until, 2005 would be 23 years, right?

Because I walked out of WCW. And yeah, so that's the first one, right, Brian? Well, you weren't fired. You walked out of WCW. You chose to leave. Yes, no, I'm saying I walked out of WCW. I wasn't fired there. So the first one would have been in 2005 with the WWF,

or WWF by that point. Yes, when you were with OVW, though. Yes, I was still with OVW because it was my cup, but I'm saying that's the first time I was actually fired in a wrestling business. Correct? That is correct, yeah. Okay. So there was 23 years.

And Vince Rousseau, there's one for me, 2006, the WWE. And of course, I was still employed because I owned part of my own wrestling company. but Vince Rousseau started in the wrestling industry professionally for the WWF he was writing for the magazine so I don't think we really count that because if we count that then we got to back me up to 1976 because that's when I started doing the same thing and that gets confusing right so let's go when he first joined the office the creative involved in the procedure is that fair

So when are you counting, though? Because is there an overlap? Because Bill Watts brought him into the picture while he was still doing the magazine. That was the reason why, right? Okay, but no, he only sat in on a few of the fucking meetings. And if that's the case, and we got to back me up to 1985 when I was sitting in on the world-class fucking meetings. And then it gets even more-

So what are we talking? I'm talking about officially part of the creative team, 1997. 97, okay. Yes, yes, sir. But I'm just want to make sure this is fair. instead of muddling things up with details. And also I'd already been part of the WCW creative team at that point. And so I had, and I'd been in the business again 15 fucking years.

So Rousseau starting in 1997 is involved in some type of this inner circle. And he made it through not getting fired by the WWF because he left under cover of darkness to go take the WCW deal. But then how do you look at this, Brian? Because he was sent home within what? The first six months he got there. Everybody go back and watch the documentaries. But he was sent home, but he still had to be paid because they were stupid enough to give

him a contract saying that if they sent him home or he fucking whatever, he still had to get paid or he'd sue him. So that's an asterisk instead of a firing because it was at least twice, right? Help me, you're better on historical details. Twice during that period, they said, go home and don't do this anymore. It was something like that. It sounds about right. And one time they said, well, you know, accept our demotion.

And he said, no, I'll go home and you have to pay me or I'll sue you. And then the second time they said, just go on home and we know we have to pay you, but please don't do this anymore. Are you counting that as one? Because it's WCW or two? Let's be charitable. Let's count that as one. Okay. WCW, one.

Okay. So we're one and one with me with the WWE in 2005 and him with WCW by 2001. Then he goes to TNA when they open up. Wait. What? Is that, didn't he go back to WWF for like a couple days before that or was that after that? I thought it was before that. No, was it, okay, well, it may have been before or after, but then let's mention that one.

Vince is set in motion the operation to bring him back and his first day of work he met with the writing team and went home and they all went to Vince and said, if you bring this guy in, it'll either be various, various stages of a disaster or we'll all quit. because they rescinded the offer as a no, stay there. So do you count that as being fired when he never even actually got to start work? They realized their mistake. See, that's the thing. I guess I thought of it as a firing, but I was thinking of it like, okay, you're hired, we want you to work with the writing team,

and then immediately they heard those ideas. Yes. So, I mean, I don't know, whatever. Was it good words? Who was it? No, it was everybody that was on the team at the time. I don't know. Was he on the team?

That's what I'm saying. Wrestling people alike. I'm trying to remember who was on the team. That's what I'm asking. Who there was a team effort anyway? Who put down one and a half? One and a half. Okay.

Okay. Then he went to T&A where he was there somewhere near the start and was there until they fired him once because the reason why I went to work for him in 2006 was because, he'd already been there and he'd fired him so I thought I was safe.

So there's another one, right? Just put that one down. Now meanwhile, my next firing is in 2009 in TNA when as everyone recalls, Dixie got mad at Jeff over Karen. Jeff got sent home.

I'm not saying that Vinnie Rue orchestrated this. I'm saying he, capitalized as best he could by being the only one that actually enjoyed talking to Dixie. But then once Jeff was gone, then there went Road Dog, and then there went Dutch, and then there went Sabio, and then I was the last one, and it took a while because I did three different jobs. And as a talent producer, the producer of the show and the director was the only one, I was the only one they wanted in the truck.

So they had to get a couple of people in there that they could replace me with, and then they fired me. And then old Vince had, what, about three months where he thought he had triumphed over evil until he brought Hogan in, and they fired him. So that's another one for me and another one for him, right? Right. Okay. So after that point, has he been involved in any wrestling company to be hired or fired? I'm trying to remember. I can't remember his history.

But, uh, some indie promotion, but I don't even. Well, I mean, not anything that anybody sees or is wear up. And meanwhile, since that, I went to Ring of Online. honor, as we've established, Ring of Honor was a mutual agreement between me and Joe Koff when I said, Joe, I'm either going to have a stroke or I'm going to choke Greg the office boy, and he said, I don't want you to have a stroke, and you can't choke Greg. And we agreed to part friends. And then after Ring of Honor, I did little stints in global force wrestling as it was retitled when Jeff came back. which that was six days of taping in one week, but it ran for three months. I did the MLW stuff for six months or so of television. It was like six tapings.

And then I did the two days of NWA taping that somehow I got credited with another firing for when, as we all recall, Ligana asked me to do a favor I go down here and do two days of their taping he airs it people get mad he apologizes for me

without apologizing for himself I get mad at him apologizing for me without apologizing for himself and he pisses me off and of and they fuck it never mind it ain't fun anymore and they put out a fucking statement that I resigned and everybody said they made him quit

because it was so horrible from a job I had two days. I was ceremoniously dumped. So those were like mutual, I'm going to choke you if I see you again type of things, but I don't necessarily call them firings, but people can interpret those however they want. And then I retired because of the pandemic

and didn't miss anything and realized I'd made the right choice. So what's the total over there? there, Brian? If I got this right, you were fired in 2005 or six from WWE. 2009 or so from TNA. Ring of Honor, you left on your own. WCW, you left on your own. I didn't, I should have said that before.

Global force in MLW do not count as anything that there was nothing to fire you from. Well, yes, I didn't. Can you work, can you like this date for us? Oh, by the way, you fired. Yes, no, I did what I was booked for and didn't pursue more. So I don't, you know. And then NWA, again, it depends on what you consider it, but it was your decision. So that would be two for you for counting the two that are clear-cut firings that you agreed to.

For Rousseau, it's a little trickier. I guess we have the one from WCW, and then we gave him a half. for WWE. Yeah, for the where he never really started to begin with. And then there's two different firings from TNA, or did I miss one? Well, no, yes, because, yes, they fired him before I came and they fired him right after I left. So he's got three and a half to your two if we count just WWE and TNA versus WCW, WV, WE, and TNA twice.

So he's almost double me. See, that's what he's excelled over me at is he's almost double. But now, to be fair, you've left a lot of opportunities to be fired on the table. Well, true, you know. But think about this also while we're on this subject, then we'll come back to Viti Rue. Guess who else has been fired more than I have in a wrestling business? Iron Sheek.

Paul Heyman. Huh? Think about it. Why does no way to Paul made a? of career I'd get him fired for about five years there. They fired him. How many times they fire him in WCW? It's once over the expense.

I love Paul. And Paul is, I told you earlier, is the only human being that knows what it was like to try to run a wrestling company by himself and the fucking 90s besides me. So we have that kindred bond. But Paul was fired twice or three times in WC2. Once over the expense.

this thing. Once when Flair got mad at him for that promo, there may have been another one in there, but he sued him a time or two. They brought him back into blah, blah, blah. Then he was able to do the dangerous alliance, and then he got to fuck out of there and went to Philly. But that was either two or three there. And then they fired him in the W.W. Stephanie. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. Was he fired in Memphis? Oh, Loller fired him when he agreed to take the fucking bump in the scaffold match. He climbed halfway up, got chigined out, went back down. Lawler got mad and fired him.

And broke his jaw. Well, yeah. And I heard from somebody that was there, the pitch was, yeah, you're going to take the bump off a scaffold like your buddy Cornette? He said, yeah, sure. And then he fucking climbed. He got about halfway up, and he was. he hung on and I think they hit him and he took a bump off part of the scaffolding apparatus

or whatever. It was on that day where he said to himself, I'll never take a bump again. And he's pretty much taken advantage of it. So there's Memphis and there's WCW at least twice. And then there was the WWF when Stephanie got mad at him. So he got four. He's twice as me. Why does everybody think I've got fired from everything?

You know why? Because the people that can't handle the fucking truth. They said, oh, don't listen to him, because look at this. But it don't add up. It don't add up. Well, the other thing is you don't try to go back. Like, Russo, no, you know what I mean? Seriously, like, Russo, it's very public like these pleas for, you know,

I'll give you a free offer. Come in and let me write your TV for like a month. And then if you don't like it, I'll do it another month, like, whatever it is. It's the same offer as a house cleaning service. And then Heyman, no matter what he's doing, his dream, he's always wanted to be doing what he's doing right now in the company he's doing it in since he is he's he's a goddamn barcelona or bologna or fucking cuckumonger or wherever the fuck they're at in his condition you know he's got to get two seats now to fly over that that

far and and and the age of him took a few minutes but there it is what i'm just saying he's got that determination but let's go back to viz for a second because apparently all of all of the businesses that I've ever run Brian have gone under all he's run all of his businesses into the ground well let's let's compare Rousseau for a second and we'll go to maybe some other people but I can't really compare to Vince Rousseau in this category because Vince Rousseau's never had his own wrestling company but let's broaden the term to businesses right and and just keep track for me on this, okay?

Businesses that we have been running in our lifetimes. While I was operating Smoggy Mount Wrestling, that was the time where at the same time up there, Vince had, what was his, what was the name of his place, the thrilling Will's World of Wheels? Will the thrill. That was the Will the Thrill. From the San Francisco Giants, that was his nickname.

Will the Thrill Video Store? And he was operating that, and I was operating a regional pro wrestling promotion with television and multiple markets and fucking live events on 15 times a month in five different states. And mine lasted for four years, 200 television episodes, that's more than Seinfeld, about 500 live events. and it went out of business and

thrilling Will's video vault went out of business also, correct? That is correct, I think early 93, somewhere around there. So we're one in one. Okay. You know what I'm trying to find real quick?

Hopefully I can find this. Brad Baluchian recently on his Patreon, the Bradpack. He had some kind of like form for a personal appearance and it turned out it was for Will the Thrill video in like 1990. Ah, here it is, Jim. Again, this is from the Brad Pack, Brad Baluchian's page.

Payment for personal appearance. Name a talent, William Eadie and Barry Darso. The date, 415. I'm guessing this is 89 or 90. Corum, New York, Will the Thrill's video paid the Titan, 4,500. do less management commission 2,250 net to be paid the talent 1,125 each and I believe you know this may have been from the Bill Eady lawsuit against Vince McMahon where they had to turn over everything as part of discovery and no wonder he went out of business in those days charging or paying that much money to but nevertheless $5,000 in 1990 that's a lot for that personal appearance. That's a lot for the boys.

And I know somebody's going to say, oh, they were in the WWF. That was a lot for a little dinky fucking video store to pay for the, but it was a lot for that place to pay for Mick Jagger for fuck's sake, all right? But nevertheless, we're one and one. So my next business was Ohio Valley Wrestling, which at one time, along with the WWF and the early end, when it became E in the early 2000s, was one of only two full-time profitable wrestling promotions in the United States.

And it still exists today. I have nothing to do with it and I claim nothing to do with it. But it still exists today, but under my and Danny Davis's fucking administration, it was the most profitable and most successful that it's ever been. and Danny started it in 1993. So, but I sold my interest, so I'm still, I'm absolved from that, but point being, that didn't go out of business.

My next project, no, I'm sorry, Vince's next project after he left the wrestling business in the early 2000s before T&A became a thing or right about, or maybe the first time he left T&A, it was in the early 2000s. He had the CD warehouse in Atlanta. Remember that? People used to tweet me pictures when they would drive by

and it was either a closed sign or something else. But nevertheless, his CD warehouse went to the CD poorhouse. So he's got two, right? I got one. That is correct.

Okay. And then Ring of Honor. I was with Ring of Honor in an administrative capacity. Me the only reason Ring of Honor still exists in any form. Well, except from 2009

until 2012, and Kerry Silken has gone on record and not trying to bullshit anybody or just telling the truth. He was about to close it down in 2009 when I was free

from T&A and able to get involved and try to help him make some of his money back. And through the orchestrating the sale to Sinclair, et cetera, and bridging that gap, I was there for three years. But again, after 2012, it existed for another seven years, eight years, because the pandemic is what closed it. When they took a bath on observing all the protocols, calls and it wasn't fucking worth it to Sinclair anymore.

And I'm not sure what kind of business ventures our friend Vince has been in since then. He might have had something else go out of business, but he's still ahead of me because I got officially one company that went out of business, right? Right. Then how the fuck do they say that everything I've done has gone out of business? Well, you see, there's two things you have to remember. You know, the stuff with Rousseau, he's always had a little bit of a fan. base, and they were the people kind of had the biggest issue with you for a long time,

and it wasn't that big an audience. The change in the way some people saw you versus how they would see you, if you, like their favorite wrestlers, started with Ring of Honor, you having to deal with guys like Owens and Zane. I just saw a Matt Riddle video, Matt Riddle, of all people. And they were like, who are the most difficult guys to work with there? He's like, oh, Sammy and Kevin. you couldn't get a word in.

They just wanted to do their own stuff. Oh, my God, from the mouths of babes. Yeah. So I think between that and your rejection of the young bucks hysteria, which is what it was for a while, and your failure to accept Kenny Omega as your Lord and savior, I think turned another group of fans who didn't know anything about your history against you. Because now all of a sudden, who's this guy saying that the wrestling I like is bad?

They don't even know who you are in some cases. This is how they're finding out who you are. And then with AEW, I think you saw the people who wanted to root AEW to being a success in terms of popularity. they saw you as the foil because you were telling the truth about a lot of this stuff. And, of course, look at how everything's turned out in five years. But again, that's also why we hear from a lot of people who were AEW fans or in some cases former AEW fans who say, I started listening to him because I heard how awfully was. And after a while, I started agreeing with him and I listened every week.

Well, here, you know, I'm stuck in the past, Brian, because I haven't been relevant since the 80s. you know it's it's been a long long time since i've done anything but if you if you you want to examine that for a second because i was thinking because rousseau started the stuck in the past thing because that jerry springer bullshit that he wanted to foist off on people because he he basically thought that anybody who had ever believed wrestling had to be a complete lunatic and imbecile and he looked down on him because he didn't recognize the art of some guys in making people suspend the disbelief. He just wanted to see cartoons.

So I was stuck in a past. But nevertheless, if you look at since, we parted ways from our first star-crossed coexistence in the WWF, 1999, he went to Atlanta to work with WCW and I came to Louisville. the year 2000 Ohio Valley Wrestling made a profit WCW lost $60 million, but nevertheless, there was a lot of people unfortunately involved with that. But since 1999, who's relevant and who's not?

Look at this. For six years, I booked and announced and produced the developmental program for the WWE, then for another three years actually I took a year off in between because I was fucking tired sorry blow me if I can't have a vacation and then I spent three years with TNA

the only national television competitor to the WWE and then I spent three years not only on television in a syndicated fashion but behind the scenes trying to orchestrate the whole Ring of Honor thing we just talked about. So that was 12 out of 13 years, and since 2012, I've spent probably a total of about a year doing the various stints

for Global Force or NWA or MLW or whatever. And I've been retired since 2019, and I've been saying that a lot. Some people still don't listen. So that's from a 20 year period. I was relevant in some fashion for 13 of them and I've been retired for five. Mr. Rousseau was in WCW playing peekaboo on and off

for a year and a half and spent a total of five years and two different runs in TNA. And he still wants a job so he hasn't retired. so that's basically six and a half out of 25 to my 13 of 20. And I'm still more relevant than he is because people actually listen to us. But if you want to go to some of these other imbecils that think that they could, oh, Coronet doesn't know anything about, well, let's just, let's establish a bar.

And then I'll close this particular topic up. let's establish a bar as to which one of you minute little turd blossoms thinks that you know more about the wrestling business than I do. This goes for many people on both sides of the camera or both sides of the microphone. Let's just establish a cutoff. How many wrestling companies have you run

because I'm in the plural? So at least before you can tell, me what the fuck, maybe you've had to at least have one. Maybe they didn't have to run for fucking years and years, like mine. But just have one for a while. Or maybe before you believe shit-stain, now we can get back to his regular name, as an opinion that would be more valuable in mine in a fucking confrontation. remember that I had a Hall of Fame in ring on television performer career

before he fucking sat down in his first goddamn meeting. So I probably picked up a few things during all those years I was waiting around for him to come and save us. And for all you unfortunately childish minds who haven't grown up who think that you're playing video game character, when I critique you it's because you're doing the same redundant shit over and over that a lot of people are sick of

that are only Brian the indie wrestlers are like are you old enough that you used to go to the fair and you could see the guy in the what they call it the circle of not the circle of doom tunnel of doom he was in the pit with the motorcycle and he would ride the motorcycle around in circles till he was riding sideways.

You've seen that, right? We didn't have that. We had like a church and had a big slide and like a haunted house and then there were canolies. Oh, God, damn it. No.

You go to the fucking fair and there's this big goddamn metal pit that they've fucking constructed and this guy starts at the bottom and revs this motorcycle up and he runs in circles until he's almost all the way up to the top and he's cliques in a circle

and you think he's going to die at any minute. And then he's slow. down gradually and he gets back down to the bottom and then the next show he starts all over again that's what these indie wrestlers are they're just going around in a circle in a pit and the people are waiting to see whether they're going to fucking kill themselves or not but they aren't the star of the fucking midway they're just part of the attraction and it's the same shit and that's what i'm criticizing same goofy shit over and over nobody believes you you're all phony, you're silly, you're winking at them, you're doing stupid things, it's unnecessary.

And they can't handle it. So he's been stuck behind the times. How many of you weasels have run your own fucking companies, your own television programs and book for major organizations where you had to produce rather than just talking some real life, richy rich, into financing your wet dreams? One of the these days you guys will wake up to reality. Maybe you'll wake up to reality in an iron lung with some of you the way you act. But I just, I, well, they're going to try to bring them back. It's measles and iron lungs are making a comeback. But that's the, that's, I think we need to set some bar for some level experience to be able to tell me, oh, Cornyette, you don't know what you're

talking about when you believe all this bullshit. And everybody that you think, is so darling, has been fired twice as many times and hadn't lasted half as long as me. Well, Heyman's lasted. And Heyman, he's twice as long. My God, he's going to baffle science. He's still alive. And going on to Bologna and Tahiti and wherever the fuck they're going to do this show next. Did you see, I thought you were going here before.

Did you see the comments Vince Rousseau had this past week about Paul Hammond? Oh, God, no. I did not. This was completely unrelated. I didn't know. Now, what does he have to say about Paul? Yeah, this is like a bunch of the websites used this as a clickbait headline, naturally. It's a good fit. Vince Russo calls Paul Heyman's promos one-dimensional and overacted. The exact quote, I don't like Paul Heyman. It's very hard for me to be objective when it comes to Paul. I think the dude has been cutting the same freaking exact promo for the last decade, man. It's so one-dimensional.

It's always the same thing. I think he freaking overreacts, or overacts, I guess it is. I'm not a big Paul Heyman fan like everyone else. I'm sorry, that's my opinion. Do you think Paul's promos are one-dimensional and he overacts? No.

Do you think he needs more of the acting sensibilities of the Russo, written attitude. Yeah, hot lesbian action. Can we get another lesbian to jump on Paul? What the fuck is he? Again, this is why this insufferable nitwit will have you think that he's Martin Scorsese

and he's here and he's allowed to have an opinion on Alfred Hitchcock. But one may be apropos comparison, but not the other. This is why you want to choke this fucking guy, because if anything, his shit that he's, admitted to doing. I'm talking about Vince Rousseau, one-dimensional, Jerry Springer,

trailer park trash, crash, Crash TV, entertainment for the fucking lowest common denominator. Paul is a as we've talked about, he and I, once again, star-crossed lovers, two ships that

wrecked in the night, whatever the fuck, we've had our differences, but he's a fucking verbal genius, especially compared to the field these days. and his booking, along with liberal doses of falsehoods and fucking false hope that he gave people, who got the most out of the least, and he knows what he's doing when the wrestling business would tell him the fucking story and blah, blah, blah, all the accolades that we heap on Heyman all the time,

even if I did have some personal goddamn just, ah, I'm sorry, still mad at him over shit. I can't not say that because it's true. But for this simpleton, it's like the fucking guy who plays Ronald McDonald's to fucking local McDonald's trying to critique Emmett Kelly. You're talking about, I don't blame him. Fuck you.

It's just, well, the kids have to Google Emmett Kelly. Yeah, probably. There may be some Googling in the previous segment or two. But this has been Jim's comments to his critics, I guess we'll say, here on the show. And of course, Jim, although everyone's a critic nowadays, another thing everyone is, is hungry. And of course, everybody needs a good meal. Everyone needs a meal that will satisfy you, maybe a meal that is chef crafted.

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Well, it's been over the last few days, Friday and the Monday, and then they're going to do it again next week, and they're in, who knows, whether they're in Bologna and Jamaica and who I want to take it to Bermuda, ma'amama, come, I'll bring your ring up. they're all over the world and they're just again these people the big crowds these buildings they're sold out they're using the small entranceways

so they can cram the people in and the crowds are hot they never see this shit lies right so this is as they used to say in a business in the territory days when you opened up some area that had been dark it's virgin territory because they're just glad to be getting it. And with as hot as they are anyway in the WWE and with the amount of star power they got,

I mean, it makes for an incredible visual and incredible audio experience, the cheering and the singing and the waving and the clapping and the gesticulating and the farting about. But Brian, after you've watched two, three hour near three-hour fucking programs. Don't you want them just shut up so somebody get to the point?

Sometimes you feel that way, yes. By the end of the three hours, you're starting to get, God, damn, I wish, give me these people, if I'm an aluminum siding salesman, just, but anyway, there's some things on Smackdown we must recognize, but again, at Barcelona, I don't know how many people they had, these drone shots looked like it's the goddamn Roman Coliseum. And L.A. Knight was

crazy over. I'm not going to go blow by blow with their whole promo, but just the high points, bullet points of the thing were that it took a while for anybody and including L.A. Knight to say anything

because as soon as he would mention the U.S. title, you deserve it. Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap. And so he finally got out the basic premise of the thing, and then Jimmy Uso comes out. And they're all over him. And he wants to challenge for the title

because his road to WrestleMania has hit a roadblock. And then the bloodline come out. It says, well, if anybody deserves a title shot, it's Jacob Fatu. And people love that. And then when they, get in a fight, obviously. Nick and Brown Strongman comes out to even the odds with Solo and Jacob and Tommy Tonga.

And then Aldus comes out and makes a six man right now. And here we go. And the people are loving it. That's, again, these guys are all over, but the atmosphere is boosted by these people that are clearly having a fucking time of their life. Do you agree with this? that's the best thing about these international shows the crowd because you know that's again it's not even if the the american audience if they're in cleveland and it's the only show they've been to

that year they still know they have the opportunity to go to more or they go to columbus or they go to fucking Toledo or whatever it's not like it's a um you know a rarefied thing that you can only get in certain seasons or whatever. Anywho, they had the six man and I just got Brown is rotten.

He is immobile and he can barely move the guys' bump off of him when he doesn't even touch him. When he did the stupid choochoo-choo, it's just I'm thinking, you know, less of him is a lot more. But they got Jacob over again, even though

the baby face is one, Jacob is always the one that beats everybody up, and he beat up and moonsaulted Mr. Strongman twice, three times, I'm sorry, and then ran back and tackled him through the fucking railing. So they make Jacob a monster, he's getting over and he looks facially. The thing I like about this guy that I thought,

remember I used to say, well, solo's too clean, solos too normal looking to be a guy as dangerous as like a Jacob fatu. And then they brought Jacob in. I'm not saying solo is bad, but you look at the two of them facially and tell me which one you think might just fucking go off.

Or don't look at them. Are you speaking to me on me? No, I didn't think I had to answer that. I would think it's pretty obvious that Jacob Fattu is a different kind of wrestler. And he looks like almost a classic wrestler. As someone who wouldn't fit into society and somehow he's here. Yes. Solo, it's like, well, you know, I could have been an accountant or I could have been, I could have sold cars,

I could have done all these things, and I'm in the family business. But anyway, so did you see, please tell me, because you're always knocking me now. because I don't pay close attention to all of the females contest. So you had to watch Charlotte Flair against B-Fab, didn't you? Unfortunately, I was not able to see this this past week. It sounds like an intriguing match for all the wrong reasons, but I did not see it, no. How was it?

Because you're the biggest Charlotte Flair fan in the galaxy. Well, let me tell you this, because these two are both on my... Stop it now. These two are both on my must watch list for potentially different reasons. I always like to watch Charlotte's matches and I can't look away from BFAB's matches. And I says, so I have to watch a bit of this. And then I got engrossed. And I know people say I make excuses for Charlotte and Charlotte can do no wrong.

She can't do this. she is not that good this no no no it i almost wonder why they booked it unless she's got heat with the office i mean because they have to know what your first blush would have been but she she started trying to work at charlotte being she too many pronouns pal you could tell she was trying to kill as much time as possible just to get through this. It was arm drag, tackle, pose, chops. B-Fab was almost fucking up getting chopped, getting chopped. Because she doesn't have the timing if you go back and look at it.

Charlotte's trying to get the spot where the chops would be smooth and B-Fab is trying to feed and it's all, oh, and there was some awkward offense, and the break spot, Brian, was Charlotte rolling to the floor. And thankfully there was a break because it kept us from seeing three more minutes of this. And then at one point,

there was a smidge of heat by Charlotte and then BFAB try to make a comeback, and at one point couldn't figure out which way to shoot Charlotte off. She grabbed her arm And she, I don't know what that means. And Charlotte, she grabbed her arm and she was going to arm whip her. And she came out from the rope straight for a minute.

And then Charlotte stopped like what. And then they turned and she went to the buckle instead. It was like, I'm not sure where I am in the ring. And then I'm trying to figure out this finish because suddenly they were trying to do a few things back and forth. and B-Fab went behind her and got a waistlock. And they were standing there stationary, and Charlotte was trying to block like, she was grapevining the leg like she was trying to block a German suplex,

but B-Fab had not really indicated just besides standing with a standing waistlock. She was going to do that. And then suddenly, Charlotte kind of looked like she've whispered at her, and then she took off running toward the ropes. apparently for BFAB to try to roll her up and Charlotte hook the ropes and BFab fall off and, you know, go backwards. You've seen that move, right?

Yeah, of course. Well, instead it looked like Charlotte just ran toward the ropes and grabbed them and then BFab just began rolling backwards off of her. and then Charlotte tried did a thing and got the figure eight and they called for the bell and then so that was that but then Charlotte wouldn't let go of the figure eight so here came Tiffy and I'm thinking okay at least they're up the people are cheering they're coming up isn't going to and Tiffy runs lickety split as Mama Cornett. used to say.

Legity split down the aisle. I did see this stuff. I did see the brawl stuff. Okay, well, she runs, and she tries to roll under the ropes to make the big save of poor B-Fab, and she rolls and hangs her leg on the bottom rope and stops, boom, stops her dead, and she immediately spins around and rolls the other way and squirms into the ring, and then they get in a big fight. And then here come the referees and the agents and the pull apart and a lot of movement.

And maybe not so much connecting there in all cases. But they had, again, the big, you know, whoo-do there. So that was exciting. But God almighty. Yeah, Charlotte, I like Charlotte. Charlotte's good. But even Charlotte could not do this. And it had, it, it was almost like it could somebody have fallen

in the back and hurt themselves and BFAB had to be pressed in as the understudy. They didn't really want to do this on purpose, but they had no choice. Can somebody explain this? I can't explain this. I guess if you're going to do it, do it in another country. But then again, it's on TV. So it's not hiding it. It's on TV.

You're not hiding it from anyone. There are people, as you're aware, who think that you, I guess there's two ways to look at it. There are people who think that you are way too nice about. everything Charlotte does. And on the other hand, there are clearly people who hate everything about Charlotte. They hate everything she does, and unless you do too, you're too nice to her. And they're both things that people talk about. Any thoughts on the fact that people have a problem?

Yes. Some people have a problem with your, I guess it's not your critique, your, my, my favoritism. Yes. My favoritism. And yes. And again, with Charlotte, it's, I like to watch her against other female talent that can work in the classic sense. And I'm not talking about other old-timers, the Ria Ripley's, the ones that can really fucking work that we compliment from time to time, but that also are visually of the size and are marketable.

in some fashion or the, you know, the physicality aspect or whatever. Instead, I'm sorry that E.O. Sky is minute and she may execute the moves well, but it's all moves that people have to help her with because there's no element of context of a contest because it's gymnastics and she can't cut the promo and I don't see her as a movie star. And, you know, I've, We're talking about showing right to your hatred of Eoske. Well, no, it just as, just as, I'm not trying to go off just on her.

Because she's on this program and it or this, in this company. And we're, but I'm just saying, that type or that, that genre. So, but Charlotte, I see as the classic ice queen wrestling heel. She's maturing into the,

you know the who type of you know fucking flare performer she's got a more classic gimmick Ria Ripley's younger she's more hip the kids like her she's what's happening you know all those modern phrases I like that Ria Ripley she's really hip yeah she's hip and she's what's happening

she's really boss man you know but but they've got looks and their stars and Bianca I will give I don't know what she did with her hair on this. I think it was raw. She looked like she dipped her head in a bucket of shalak. But I've just, no, not on a 50-50 basis being shoved down our throats with a lot of fucking

whining and young ladies who cannot deliver their verbosity or their verbality without sounding like they're auditioning for the fucking high school drama class, things like that, blah, blah, blah. And it does, it's not just, oh, she can do a moon salt. But that's not the guys either. Somebody called that fucking spitball Mike Bailey on Twitter. They called him Hong Kong Fooey. Oh my God, that's so funny.

So, but anyway, with these young ladies, they weren't done yet. Charlotte and Tiffy, because Ms. came to the ring for a Ms. TV segment, and then Tiffy and Charlotte came out still fighting, and had more pull apart, and Tiffy climbed up and flipped off the top of the entranceway onto the whole pile of them. So we got that going for us.

A couple of other things I wanted to recognize on Smackdown. Priest and Nakamura had a match, which I did not watch, obviously, but Drew McIntyre came out and is just wonderful. Gee, he's just a wonderful. wonderful, great heel, and he beat to shed out a priest.

And Brian, remember when Carmelo Hayes was the number three draft pick? And we said, what the fuck are they doing? Are they out of their minds? I think they're still trying to figure out what they're doing. I think, well, I think they finally figured out what the fuck. And Randy Orton beat him in fine fashion. It took longer than it should, but it was still pretty, pretty decisive, and then he went to punt him and Owens pulled Carmelo out and Orton ran Owens off.

So which young guy who they clearly at one point thought was a priority are they booking worse? Carmelo Hayes or Austin Theory? Theory's much worse as far as booking, but Carmelo's worse as far as talent. but yeah no i think theory either he ticked off triple h when he was Vince's boy or he's done something else

that they're just like no because they're just not only presenting him as a flunky on the main television they won't even send him back to nxte to be on top they send him back to nxte every once in a while to get the NXT guy over. So I don't know.

He's, I mean, can anybody out there, we have a vast listenership, tell me what the people in power believe is wrong, either mentally, physically or emotionally, or reputational with Austin theory as to why they're doing the things that they'd be doing. But speaking on the subject of doing things that they'd be doing, did you watch Gunther and Axiom?

No, I did not. Well, I did. Again, I'm not going to give you a blow-by-blow on the match, but you said earlier, well, you know, something like it's an international audience or it's the audience over there, oh, but it's on TV. This is the perfect spot where, yes, the people in the building loved it, but it's on fucking TV.

because axiom is apparently from where were they Barcelona did I say that's in Spain last time I checked it is right apparently axiom is from Spain I don't remember whether they said specifically Barcelona they have other towns over there don't they do in Spain I thought oxym was the name of the tag team what's the name of the tag team he's in no the other guys just named like fucking Nelson Nathan. Nathan. Nathan. Nathan. Fraser, yes. I thought to take him was, was it not Axiom? He's the only axiom? No, he's the, he's the guy that's named Axiom. Okay.

What is it? Hold on here one second, because I don't know what the fuck we're talking about here. I didn't mean the American Heritage. I can't lift the fifth edition that, uh, I'll get a hernia. So I'm just going back to the third edition because axiom is an old word. I just don't know what it actually fucking. mean. Is it fraxium? Is that the name of the tag team? That's the name of their team. Fraxium. They combined the two. Fract, what a clever name. Yes, Adam Baum is in here. All pair. Oh, hello. Q, R, C, W, X, Y, Z. What country are you from?

Axiom. Axiom means a self-evident or universally recognized truth, a principle that is accepted as true without proof. Boy, you got one right there. this guy, this masked wrestler, is named a principle that has accepted as true without proof. Point is. Well, how true was this match? Well, that's the thing. Gunther comes out.

He cuts the promo on Jay Uso, because that's where they're headed, but he heard there's a kid that's the best wrestler from Spain, and you love him, that doesn't mean a damn thing, and he wants to bring him out, they're going to have a fight, and it's axiom. And I said, what the fuck? because I didn't know who it was at first.

And then when he comes out, he's half of that, as I mentioned before, that lousy-looking outlaw NXT tag team. The other guy is just a hairy, skinny goof, and this guy is like 5'5 foot 6 and weighs 170 in a random luchador mask, axiom. And you have to believe in him because there is no proof.

And he's going to raise a foot shorter and at least 75 pounds lighter than Gunther or whatever the fuck. And I'm thinking, yes, the people behind him in the building are behind him, but this is on television before, and while Gunther's world champion and before WrestleMania, I watched it because Gunther is great. He doesn't do any stupid shit. and he knows how to build a match and how to have a match

and not make himself look overly stupid. Sometimes there's timing issues on a part of the other guy that he can't compensate for. You can't have both matches, but I'm thinking, Jesus, is this doable even for him? And I think, you know, the fans there loved it, but it showed the world that this tiny little,

fellow was kicking a shit out of Gunther for a while. It wasn't egregious like it would have been in AEW. And it was mostly logical. At one point, Axiom kicked out of Gunther's power bomb. That was a little far-fetched. And he had to, Gunther had to stooge for a lot of the guys stuff because he's the hometown crowd. But finally, Powerbomb closed line, Powerbomb 1, 2, 3.

And then he put the sleeper on the fractured axiom and left him laying. But I would just, was he the one? I understand they wanted to get more heat on him than anybody on the show. So have him beat the hometown or home country hero. But then you put him in that position, do you give the home country hero that much for the live crowd? or do you give him less for the television audience everywhere else?

That's a conundrum. Yeah. I think they gave him a little much, a little much. And then one more thing. Paul Haven, now that we put him over at the top of the program, did you watch his promo? I did not. I actually missed the second half of the show.

Okay, well, in that case, you may believe that I'm I'm exaggerating here but I think Paul was jet lagged I always love his shit but this wasn't it dog but at the same time he was there with nothing to do

no one to confront him no big statement to make that furthers along the stories and he just had to kind of go out and wing it but his whole promo was today is Roman Raines Day because it's the release of the WW2K-25 video game.

Now wait till the show is over to start playing it, and then that's what he was repeating over and over. The WW2K-25 video game, and they've got the blurb on the screen. So it's blatant commercial that the people are not really that into. and he tried then to start doing the promo some people have problems with Roman

and one is my friend C.M. Punk. And they started chanting for punk. But it's not C.M. Punk day, nor will it ever be Seth Rollins Day. And then they sang that the tune, whoa, I, goddamn. And of course, Paul said,

I hate that song. And then he plugged the video game again. and then he told him Roman Reins is going to be where are they next week Brian and baloney I missed what they said you keep saying that so I'm a figure they mean balonia yes oh that's that's where it is baloney

and and the people in started booing because he's just told him Roman's not here tonight but he's going to be in another country next week and they start booing and he says oh get a ticket on cheapo airlines and then did you hear the controversy concerning the line that was cut out of his promo

when it aired on TV over here? No, I don't know anything about this. They were in Barcelona, so the show was actually happening before its time slot here, right? So it aired in its normal time slot, 8, 10 p.m. Eastern, or 8 to 11 p.m. Eastern on Friday night, but it had happened in the afternoon. and apparently what Paul said was,

because they're in Spain there and they're in Italy next week, and Paul said, oh, you get a ticket on Cheapo Airlines and fly over there. What, it's not like Mussolini is standing guard at the border and won't let you across. And for some reason, I don't know, maybe they were just seven seconds long on time. That line did not. on Friday night on the USA Network. There was a crowd shot and then a transition to the next line. So anyway, and then he said,

next week you can say anything you want to say to Roman Rains' face, and he left. So it was Paul, so, I mean, it wasn't painfully bad, but it was good for a little amusing antidote there, but it wasn't his normal oratory because, yeah, it didn't, he didn't have much to fucking do. On camera, I'm sure he was just running around a little busy beaver backstage. Well, that's WWE Smackdown, and of course, with Paul Heyman in Europe,

there's probably a lot of shopping, a lot of seeing what the latest fashion trends are, trying on new suits, but perhaps he looked at some of these unique and fresh European fashions, and he said, I wish I knew someone who I could work with. to bring some of these home and sell them to the world. He's always looking for a money-making opportunity. He's very capitalistic like that, is Paul Heyman, always trying to get the angle. He could be over there where in Barcelona, Spain.

He could be over there at the Matador's Big and Tall store, where they can fit the biggest bull, no matter how wide his ass or horse, horns may be, and he may say, you know, I could, I could market merchandise this brand all across the world to all of the giant, corpulent, overweight, fat people with a body mass index of 50 and over. If only had the platform, Brian, do you think that's a question he was asking himself as he wallowed in the tentmaker's material having his custom-made Spanish suit tailored to his

specifications? It could have been. It could have been. Well, now we know the platform. It's too bad he doesn't listen to the program, although probably secretly he does. If he'd gone to Shopify and said, hey, let's take these voluminous,

massive circus tent-like clothes for people who look like they've been floating in the river for three days. I just as an example, it could be any product or service. And let's put it on a worldwide plan. platform. And let's have the number one checkout on the planet, the number one company. Nobody does selling better than Shopify. Let's partner up with Shopify and let them make this dream become a reality. And then Paul wouldn't have to go to Barcelona and Bologna and Maine to Spain on a choo-choo train. He could sit right in his giant custom-made overstuffed, over-wide, easy chair in his

home, watch his Alfred Hitchcock DVDs, and just, and rake the money in, because that's what he'd be hearing all the time, jing, ching, ching, without him even lifting a finger, and you know, at his age

and at his weight, gravity is taking over, and it's so hard to lift fingers. But it's nothing's hard with Shopify, folks. It's as easy as can be. It's a box of fluffy ducks. It's like farting through silk. There's going to set you up with the number one checkout on the planet if you're into growing your

business. They're going to give you the commerce platform that's ready to sell wherever your customers are. They're going to keep track of everything and you're going to get the money and you're going to get the fame and you're going to get the fortune and then you're going to get the bill. But right now it's not going to be much because they want you to want them. And that's why we can right now, folks. Offer you a cheap trick. That's exactly right. Without fear of contradiction, we can offer you the cheapest trick that you will ever turn.

I guarantee you, well, I won't even go into the prices of potential prostitutes these days. It's even worse than the normal rate of inflation. But folks, this cheap trick is only $1 a month. It's a trial period at Shopify. slash jCE all in lowercase by the way because that's where you go and they say we're going to do such a good job for you that we will do this for one dollar a month as a trial period and see if you like it and if you like us and we like you and if you like vina coladas whatever you like it's going to be all together you can go to shopify dot com slash jcee to get that one dollar a month trial period and upgrade your selling today get with the

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Okay. And then you can call one of our other sponsors, Stephen P. No, no, again, let's not talk. I don't, again, the story we were doing so well, that was the best you have ever do. I can't even speak. That's the best of Lorna do? Listen, let's get away from Lorna do.

Listen, let's listen. Oh, listen to the music. Let's talk about everyone out there, the listeners, Mr. and Mrs. America, who have you, products and you'll want to sell them, you need the right support. And let's say it firmly here at the end, right, Jim? You can get her from Shopify. Jim, tell everyone one more time with professionalism where they can get it. Yes, with professionalism, you can professionally go to shopify.com slash JCE.

Can you imagine if Colonel Sanders had had Shopify, he wouldn't have had to put that pressure cooker in the trunk of his car and drive around as a senior citizen cousin people. I guess you may, that is a possible option that could have happened, a possible outcome. But, uh, no. Well, I only deal in facts and learned supposition. Never in, never in complete, no, never in complete axioms. Once again, Shopify, shopify.com slash JCE.

Jim, let's go from the world of shopping. in the world of Smackdown, let's get it all out of the way, and this next one includes what I think was the segment of the week, W.W.E. Raw, and they were in Brussels, Belgium. Brussels, Belgium. I always loved their sprouts. Actually, no, I think they even smell. I don't like the taste of them, and their odor is quite unpleasant. But they were sold out, and another big crowd.

if Barcelona was up and energetic, these people had them beat. And do they, all these foreign countries, do they pass out a songbook? Or do they have some kind of musical? Because they seem so coordinated. It's like thousands of them. Not only are singing the wrestler's songs

that they would hear on TV and obviously a no, but they're singing random tunes and chants that in their own language, languages, but by the thousands. How is this knowledge of what to do transmitted with that mass numbers? I don't know. It seems to be a thing in a lot of these European shows, but this one specifically, it was a fun game to play.

It was almost like, where's Waldo? Find the girl. A lot of men singing and dancing, dancing, literally, with their arms in the air. Not too many women that I saw it. It looked like a village people concert. But so they did the the rock and scene

and Cody history package where they explained all the things that had gone on and we brought it up to date and then they come to the arena and again they've got

an incredible crowd shot and if you might be able to Google how many people were in this building but I don't know as they used to call it the fish eye lens or whatever

the drone shots these fucking crowds are massive and they milked it with no music no, nothing, and then suddenly Sina music hit. And it made a boo, it was surly.

The mood turned surly. The wind changed direction. And then out comes Sina, and he's dressed the same. He's got the same little guy. I don't, what is that? A small little, like a

burger towel with his saying on it. and but now he's got the dower face and he's not energetic he's walking and he's just you can it looks like he just sniffed a fart and as the music is playing they start chanting or well chanting with the music singing john sina sucks john sida sucks john sida sucks john sida sucks just over and over. And he walked out there and as soon

as he got in the ring, they're still doing that. And then when they pulled the music down, he was just milking it. That's all he had to do. He's just looking at him. And they got the dueling chant going. Let's go. Sina. Sina sucks. And that went for a while.

And they're just hopping up and down. And then he milks it again. he started put the microphone down and he was like he was going to walk out and got big booze

and they said, you sold out. You sold out. And so it was minutes before he had to say anything. Do you remember what the first thing

he said was? Well, yes. When a person is properly grounded, they shouldn't have to look outside themselves for approval. Oh,

I actually thought, didn't he say before that while they were booing that you're making this easy? Oh, well, yeah, I'm sorry, yes, that was over the top of all of the yelling. I forgot about it because I wrote down that quote and I forgot the throwaway remark. But yeah, well, but see, it works because they were making it easy in the job that he was there to do, but also it works in the story.

You're making it easy for me to break up with you, for me to fucking tell you what I think of you. And it was, again, we've always said to what. one thing John Cena could do was talk. That's what got him noticed at OBW to begin with. I mean, his look, his work ethic, there were better in-ring workers, but every other category he was, you know, off the charts from the start, but he can talk.

And his deal is, for 25 years, I've been the victim of an abusive relationship. and his everything that he was saying would get a reaction of some kind and he's pissed off and he's believable with it the face he's got and the delivery all you people have done is bully me and expect me to be your damn puppet and the entire arena would chant fuck you sena and it was it was a combination of a wrestling interview and many of the lines that he built up to

and delivered and made them work in the context, the lines that you would say if you're breaking up with an abusive, fucking spouse or significant other or whatever. Have you've used me as a puppet? And so it was a brilliant juxtaposition of those two things. And he's, I'm not a baby face or a heel. I'm a human being, and you've been awful to me.

It is how the fans have always mistreated him from the start. Sure, they'd cheer him for a second, and then he'd work even harder, and then they'd boo him, and nothing was ever good enough. And he came back, and he worked hard, and he won and won, and won, and they hated it. And the people again, shut the fuck up. And he tried one last time to do something nice for you guys,

and you ruined it. How many times have you heard that, Brian? Maybe you don't want to comment. I try to do something nice for you and you ruined it. And they started singing, Shaana nah, nah, hey, hey, hey, hey, goodbye. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Well, Shauna nah, shana, nah did it.

No, they didn't. Well, they should have done it. So, nothing I ever do is good enough. All you care about is yourself. all right now that I've said that to you I'll go back to Cetus. No um so that's what this was what it was it was like you know not what are you sons of bitches asked me how I felt just what do we get what do we we want more from you more more more you get what you've earned which is nothing and again it was great he was he was

venting his spleen it sounded like you believed he was saying what he meant. What did you think about the part where he singled out to people wearing his merch? Because they're still selling the merch apparently. Oh, yeah. And then saying, even you guys. He turns on them. He starts going off on them.

And then the shot of the little moon-faced, a little eight-year-old boy was just dumbstruck with whatever emotion. But yeah, they had the dueling chant. Well, even the ones who cheer for me. Oh, that's all you ever wanted me to do is give you more or more. of me, more of me, and you took and you took, and what did you give? And so he it brought the people who still were cheering for him into the whole fucking plot against him as well.

I mean, it was, it was great when he mentioned Cody's name that got huge cheers. They're completely on Cody's side. He's the captain now. And, you know, that's what? what he said, you've stolen my time, you've made me your toy, and the butt of an invisible joke for 15 years. That was, you're pathetic. You wear hustle, loyalty, and respect on your shirt, but I live it. You're awful people. And I'm breaking up with you. You're dumped. You don't matter.

You know I'm right and you're wrong. It was fucking great. And as soon as he said that, Cody music plays. And now they're singing the song and they're whoa! And what a fucking entrance in a sea of people. And it's two top guys from different generations and the people are standing and screaming

and chanting for Cody and they're, they wouldn't let Cody talk because they were chanting apparently in Belgiumish. What do they talk over there? Belgiumish. That was English. Well, no, some of the chance

were in English, but they were chanting something at one point in a language that I either, I couldn't understand what they were saying. But now, here, are you trying to skimper around the point that you don't know what language they speak? They speak English. No, in Belgium. They don't speak English in Belgium. Well, I mean, they do, they might. Oh, no, Dutch, French, and German are the official languages. Jesus Christ, how long is it to to go to school till you're 35. See, that's what I was saying, though. You mix all those together.

It's English. Anyway, Cody jumps in at perfect, and this is what I'm talking about. When I say even when they have heels talking to heels or baby faces talking to baby faces, and this idea that they blurred the lines and the shades of gray, there can be shades of gray,

and they're doing it brilliantly here with the whole reason that Drew turned. Seth hasn't turned, but he's embracing being the heel in a lot of this. But there's still always, you've got to be true to what you would do. It will hurt you. If you do things that the people don't believe

should be in your character as presented to them and it's why they lie. That's why MJF is in the shape he's in now. And Cody is one of the smartest guys as far as being a baby face, with not doing things he shouldn't do. And of course he's in a very well-structured company, but then along every once in a while comes the final boss. I got an idea. But the good, the great talent knows how to

speak and say things in a certain way to lend a certain subliminal meaning to it, to make it positive or negative, to make it a healish response from the people or a baby faceish. And now Sina has gone all the way on one side and he's the heel. And Cody comes out, who the hell are you? Defends them immediately. As soon as Sina said, now listen, kid, Cody said, no, I'm not. It's not kid, it's WVE champion.

And he took the people's side. They are the ones that have made you. And who the hell are you? Where's the guy on the shirt? I was excited about going face to face with John Sina, and I got this. This better not show up at WrestleMania or I'll retire it early. Fine, Sina, I want to wrestle him, not this whiny bitch.

And who are the people big cheers. and Cody walked out to chance and said they didn't have to play music. They're chanting, they're singing, Sina's in the ring, speechless. Cody leaves, he drops the microphone, no music, he leaves to booze and shana-na-na-na-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. From the entire arena. Na-na-na-na-na-na-na-na. And Nana wasn't there because it wasn't Swerve's house. but it was a 30 minute segment and again you know brilliant verbally from both guys

seen a talk the majority of it but Cody did exactly what he needed to do and then right afterwards Michael Cole as the announcer cut a hell of a promo about Sina being an ungrateful prick and how he's turned his back on all the people this is his classic fucking wrestling and the besides this being in my mind and I'll let you tell me what you thought in a second. But besides this being a great segment and being 30 minutes and not getting old and you got all that reaction and just the content. But this angle, they've sold me on this angle.

I like he'll seena against baby face Cody. Fuck the merchandising to the kids, as many people have said. But it didn't need the wrong. rock at all. And they didn't tie him into this at all and anything they did. No, didn't mention him. And it didn't need

his intervention. If the same thing had happened between Sina and Cody with the rock never having showed up, never having asked for his soul, never having demanded an answer, just Cody coming out to shake John

Sina's hand and congratulate him and Sina kicking him into balls, I think it would have been the same response and it this it would have been just as good and made more sense probably but this this was wonderful Do you think this was one of John Cena's best promos? Yes, because he

that's a thing he's had fire and passion against the heels before but he hadn't had a chance at a long fucking time to come out and vent and call people you're awful awful people You're pathetic And show that

And turn out all the invisible jokes Oh fuck you You can't see me now But I can see you And you're crying So I think yes Because he is He's great at

You know verbally at whatever he does Go ahead Did they need a confrontation here Especially if it wasn't going to end With any physicality Yes I like this because We wanted to hear

what Sina had to say is motivations, you know, why he's done all this. That was a curiosity, but we needed to see Cody come out and not only stand up to him and take up for the fans so that they're even more behind Cody and that their opinion was represented, but also so that Cody could say, I want to say, the great John Sina,

the one we used to know instead of this fucking, whiny bitch that you've turned into because that not only will add a little extra heat to the magic WrestleMania, but eventually by the end of the year, probably John will recognize the error of his ways and perhaps Cody's the one that finds it in him somehow, who knows?

Sergeant Slaughter crying that he wants his country back. You made a lot of poor decisions in the last few years, Sarge. Yes, you know, and there's a little matter of that espionage. charge hanging over your head. But, but they didn't need to fight here because Cody actually stood up to him more by just telling him off and saying, I don't think you're pathetic right now, find the real you. It was very dustyish. Find your guts, Pilgrim.

You can see John Wayne saying that. Go home and find your guts and meet me out behind the barn. It was very dustyish just in terms of the. over the top defense of the fans. Not to say that that was the wrong thing, but just, you know, that crazy about, like, we got to, these people, it's all them, it's them, you know, that's dusty.

It's all about the people. And again, you brought up the other big thought I had, which was the rock. The rock wasn't mentioned. At least if he was, I don't remember it. They didn't really need to. And it helped Sina not having the rock there while he's doing this stuff.

Oh, God, that would have killed it. That would have killed it because the spotlight needed to be on. And I think they all know that. And even the Rock would have to readily acquiesce to that. And also, he probably didn't want to go to fucking Barcelona, Kukamonga, Belgium. But no, Sina needed to be out there alone. But he didn't tell any story about why he sold his soul to a higher power

for movie roles or whatever, it was all about turning on the fans and that was exactly what it needed to be and he was smart enough to know that. If he came out and it might have got heat if he said, oh yeah, I've given my soul to the rock so he can, what, make me a movie star late,

but it would make him subservient and he's the guy that's going to wrestle in the main event, so he has to be the fucking guy. And he's the fucking guy. He's the fucking guy. And that was the highlight of Raw by far. Well, yeah, but there was more of Raw. It just wasn't, it was a little overdone sometimes.

The contract signing with Bianca and E.O. And now we see, it's a case of anything you can do, I can do better. I can do anything better than you with the girls and the guys. We have a girls or guys three way. Now we've got to have a girls three way. And it does it at least can. it not have to be on the same I know somebody's going to say it's not going to be on the same show

it's going to be one will be on Saturday and one will be on Sunday it's in the same goddamn build it just it seems a little coincidental that all these things would happen at the same time in both gender's locker rooms I like the new rule you could just sign a contract and all of a sudden it's your contract well no they to be fair they said it's not legally binding

but since she has possession of the contract, as you know what they say, possession is nine-tenths of the law, and ignorance is no excuse for the law. Ask a cop. I did that as a kid once. I asked that police officer, what about possessions? I'd never heard that before in my life.

Well, they should have gone back to cop school. What were they doing, giving a guy like that a gun and a badge and setting him out to talk to children? But he didn't even know the basic fucking old wives tales about what's legal. But they had the contract signing where Bianca and EO, and EO managed to struggle out, no one will disrespect her again. She's the world champion,

and after WrestleMania, she'll still be the world champion. And she signed the contract, and the fans chanted, you deserve it! And somebody on Twitter said, clip that like 10 seconds of them chant, you deserve it. So I guess this will shut up Jim Cornett about EO, no.

These people like goddamn anything. I'm not saying she's not over even, but I don't care. She's a good wrestling. Oh, she, she's, she was wonderful at doing moves. She can't promo, she's five foot tall. She's not five foot tall. Okay, four eleven.

Five feet tall to so many people. She's probably, I'm going to say, and I'm not looking or anything, at least five, four. No, 5.3. At least 5.3. All right. Now, see, now you change your story. Well, because I'm comparing it to Ray Mysterio, and he's 5-2, I believe. So I didn't think she was two inches taller than Ray. I thought one was acceptable. Well, nevertheless.

And Bianca, that's where I mentioned earlier. She looked like she dipped her head in a bucket of shellac. Her hair was painted on the top of her head. What the fuck? That was odd. Uh, but she's pissed. because E.O's pissed, and EO slapped her last week, and she's not going to disrespect her again either.

After last week, we're giving EO a pass, but she better not do that again. And she delivered this in a way where it was kind of heelish, and she got booed from the people, the people. And then Bianca signed the contract, and then Maria's music played, and then we got a big pop. And now, here we go. and she's not going to sit back and do nothing like Bianca.

She got slapped last week and she's pissed about it. And Bianca got in her business to begin with and she's pissed about that. And they start to bicker back and forth. And it's the same thing as last week. They're finger pointing and yelling at each other and EO standing behind the table like, you know, what the fuck? What about me? so she

EO meaning slides a table around put it in the right place and comes around like she's going to interrupt them and Bianca just reaches out and pie faces her again but when Bianca does that Rea Ripley head butts Bianca who flies backwards

onto the table and then she kicks EO and power bombs her on top of Bianca and boy now where were they the the country here a few weeks ago where those tables were almost goddamn wafer thin here that fucking table didn't break now I know he only weighs 82 pounds but bianca was already

laying on it again you can't stop taking shots at her for no reason I didn't I didn't say I just you know she's probably 125 well she the table was extra strength and it didn't break how does that feel if you're bianca and that happened it don't it don't feel it don't feel good. It's like, oh, God damn it. Except he, you know, if it was a real heavyweight, it'd been even better or even worse. But nevertheless, that's where Ria picked up the contract and signed it and then took it with her. And Adam Pierce was pissed at this impropriety. And so we're going to get a three-way. And we're going to have the three-way on the guy's side. And one will be one night, one will be the other night. And I would rather, definitely in this,

one, I'd rather see Ria and Bianca one-on-one. In the guys, I have to say this year, it kind of works. I'm interested to see what they're going to put together, but they're the best in the world in various stages of their game. So, but this is...

Yeah, for both the men and the women, because I like them a little better than you do, I'd like to see every one of these combinations in a singles match. It's just, I've come to hate multi-man matches, let alone three-way matches. And I know it's been kind of coin of the realm since at least 93.

Well, no, it was introduced really in 93, but it really got popularized a few years later. But to me, Rhea versus EO is more intriguing. Ria versus Bianca is more intriguing. Bianca versus E.O. And is that every combination? Are that the same thing? Well, there's more, but then, you know, hold the pickle, hold the lettuce. There's all kinds of combinations.

But same thing with the men. Roman versus punk and Roman versus Ron. Rollins to me is more intriguing than all. I'm not saying it won't be a good match, but it's more intriguing than just another three-way match where there's just creative ways to break up the pin for the last 10 minutes. Yes, but with the guys this year,

at least I don't have the dread of, oh, God, it's going to, it's not only it's going to suck, but it's just meaningless because they do have an issue. It is something marketable, promotable, that they can sell tickets on. You know, so I know the girls have an issue, too, but the guys had theirs first. Hey, one last question on all this, Rio Ripley,

now that she's kind of clear cut as a baby face, do they have to do something to keep her over strong? Because I even hear she's not really, she stole the contract, but she lost the match, she got shut out of this thing, now she's trying to get involved,

she doesn't seem like she's in control like she used to be. Do you have to do anything different? Truthfully, almost thinking that they might be about to turn her heel to work with Bianca coming out of this.

I don't know Bianca's acting more heelish by the week. I've been saying this for a little while now. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but out of the two of them, I think Bianca, I would think is going to be a heel before Ria. I don't know, but I wouldn't mind seeing Ria turn heel and working with Bianca. They could just use EO for Ria to beat in the three way without beating Bianca so that's fresh.

I don't know. They got the Jade issue. So I think that's going to, whatever they're doing with Bianca, it's going to have to incorporate whatever's going on with the Jade stuff. Well, but Jade's got a fucking deal with Naomi who's going to come back, you know, chomping at the bit for revenge. I did see that. Was that on Smackdown? The clip with Jade being interviewed in the empty building. Did you see that?

Yeah, no, normally that would have been on AEW, but this was, The building was empty on purpose on this one. Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, I remember that somewhere. And Liv and Raquel walked in and started heckling her? Yeah. So who knows? They're opening up all kinds of stuff.

There's all kinds of possibilities. All right. Did you watch anything else on Raw? Yes, I did. Well, besides Jay Uso beating Austin Theory in 30 seconds, and then beating both the heels up, him and Waller, and then missing the, did you see the missed dive?

That was a Twitter thing. Not only did I see it, but the Twitter thing was the comparison. It was almost move for move, second for second frame for frame with Top Dollar going over the top. Except when Flop Dollar landed, he walked off and acted like he did something. Jay rolled back in and gave the camera a sheepish look like, yeah, I fucked up. and that's why people like him and they thought flop dollar was a fat fucking manatee.

But then Gunther comes in and slaps a fucking sleeper on and Jay fought back and took the belt and threw it at Gunther and we had more yeating. But I did want to mention the blooper that poor O.J. had with the dive. But he just didn't get his feet under him. But then Bronbreaker, one more thing. The main event was for the Intercontinental title. Ben Baller and Braun Breaker. And Finn's not all that interesting,

but he's a hell of a technician, and I want to see how Braun was coming along. And Braun is now the de facto baby-facedness because he's cool and the people know it, and they're impressed by his physicality. And the dogs barking and the whole thing. So he didn't really have to turn in any fashion or save anybody or change himself as much as just,

these obnoxious heels, the judgment day, were able to get under his skin. And now people are with him. And again, they had this match. He's right there for everything. He's got the timing, the facials, the body language, the look, the aggression. He's got the trademark shit,

the clothesline where he leaps over the desk and takes them with him. And the leaping Breakinsteiner and they did a nice finishing sequence, but it was back and forth, but logical shit. And Bron hung with him. He needs to watch the punches to the head.

He's using it as I'm waving my arm and backing you up because I'm about to shoot you off and do something big. He needs to have more contact on his, and more wham and more oomph, more snap, whatever they call it. on his punches to the head, but otherwise, boom, boom, boom. He went for a superplex. Carlito distracted the referee. Dominic pulled Braun down off the superplex,

but he accidentally crouched Finn at the same time, and Bron nailed the heels off, hit his Brackenstiner leap off the top and speared him, one, two, three, and got a big fucking pop. And they had a good match. And then here's the bad part, and Brian, tell me what do you think. the heels jumped brawn started getting heat on him and music played and here came penta

and penta hit and started to come back and then brawn got up and speared carlito and the heels bailed and penta and brawn had the stare down and penta handed the belt to brown but then they stared at each other i don't want to see bron and penta that's going to be a styles clash Braun is not experienced enough to deal with some of the unorthodox shit that he might encounter on the fly in the wild with Penta. What do you think? And that was teased earlier in the night after Penta beat Kaiser. He said he wants the intercontinental championship. Yeah.

I don't know. I'm intrigued by it. I want to see it. So we'll see if it works or not. You're probably right in a won't. But I certainly want to see what they're going to do. You know, the only thing for me missing with Braun Breaker. You know, it's almost for me, the way it feels, it's almost like an AEW run,

where he's having these matches and he looks impressive, but there's no feud. There's no reason to care beyond, like, yeah, I don't know. He's established who he is enough on the main roster. I need, like, a really good feud with really good heated promos or something. Well, but, you know, in all honesty, right now, I think they think they don't need it. because there's so many guys on top and there's so many guys involved in something as long as they keep Braun

it's like the Hippocratic oath in booking first do no harm right just keep him good and get him more experience he's so young we've got a belt on him but they don't need the intercontinental title to draw at the B show anymore and they don't need anything really they've got so many numbers of things hot on top drawing new star breaking through

they can take their time they're not beating him they're not making him do stupid things they're featuring him whenever he's involved in something it's usually to something about it gets him over but they're not rushing it and i don't think they need to so that as long as you can the people still want to bark and still want to see his shit. And every time that they do say they see the freakish hitting the ropes at 25 miles an hour or whatever. And as long as they're letting him do that and not beating him, you know, consistently, I think he's got all the time in the world. Well, so did they.

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This may not make sense. folks if you're just listening to a standalone clip on YouTube, but for the fine listeners of our podcast in chronological order, who we were comparing earlier the times that I've been fired versus the times of Vince Rousseau has been fired. We forgot one in T&A the third time. He talked Dixie and to giving him a mercy job where he could just send in his thoughts

on the goddamn program, and he wasn't supposed to tell anybody, and she wouldn't admit that he was working there. Oh, that's right. But then he sent the email to the wrong people and they found out about it and they fired him again. So that was the three times he was fired from TNA. Well, that time, I think, was also the time that the network finally got fed up with TNA lying to them. Well, yes, that was, yes, they weren't supposed to know either.

So we forgot that one because we were concentrating on the time when he got fired in the WWE before he ever actually got started working. And we overlooked the time where he got fired from a job that he was, so toxic that they couldn't admit that he actually had and he didn't actually have to go there and do anything. So he's got another one. So he's at four and a half now, as I recall, to my two. All right, we will keep this tally going in the weeks and months ahead. He got tally A. If he keeps begging for a job sooner or later, somebody will give him one, then we can add firings to it. But we shall see what happens. But Jim,

let's get onto some other things here. You know what? Why don't we start with from the files? From the files. Because I got a wopper of one here. You used the word wopper before, and you were tantalizing me, thinking that you were going to send me a coupon for free Burger King or something, but it's a whopper of a file from the Arcadian Vanguard files of the wrestling news, ring wrestling, and the assorted, assimilated products there within.

That's right. and these are from the archives of the wrestling news. It's actually two files. One is the photo file. One is the correspondence file, which is massive, for Lil Al Vavasor. Oh, my God. Who was the primary photographer

for Leroy Merk's wrestling company throughout the 70s. Well, now, and he was based in Louisiana. Yes. And that is the time where, McGurk had not only his tri-states territory up there, Oklahoma, Missouri, and Arkansas, but also he promoted Louisiana. And most of the, from what I understand, because I used to see, and I was fascinated by that

name, but I used to see his work in the magazines. And a lot of his work was done when the guys were in Louisiana. And he sold just about every picture he took to the wrestling news. I have one of just about everything. And in the phone... I don't know whether he sold him to him or sent him to him. Well, no, I have the receipts. So, uh, okay.

I can pretty much say we got the rights to these. This one here is his car. He had a station wagon. And on the door of the station wagon, he's posed here with his camera. It says, Lil Al's wrestling photos, Port Allen, Louisiana. It has the phone number in the P.O. box. world's largest supplier of color photos of professional wrestlers. This, he's driving around town in this car, and then has him and his assistant.

My fortune, his photo assistant. Do you have any insight on his name? Because obviously, being from South Louisiana, there's the French and the Cajun influence down there, but Lil L-I-L-L-L-L-A-L-V-A-V-A-V-A-V-A, I believe S-S-E-U-E-R. E... Is that it? It's a E-U-E-R. Okay, I added an E.

But what kind of fucking name is that? Well, again, I have a couple photos here from, I'm guessing, the W-N-S74 W-F-I-A convention. You see why they call me little. It's him next to Jim Melby and Norm Kiteser, and he appears to be a smaller man. Here's another photo where he appears to have a couple inches on Tom Burke. He's standing next to Danny Goddard at the 1974. Here's him and Bill Aptor looking over a camera. So obviously he was in with all the hipsters of the day.

The Cool Cats. But let's get past the photo file. Let's go to the correspondence file because this is some interesting stuff here about when it ends, I guess, is a way to look at it. Again, this is a very, very big file. to go to 1979. And now at this point in time, Watts has started Mid-South wrestling, right, in 1979? Or is this when it's about to take place?

That is right. Mid-South has started. Here's a letter from Norm Kiteser to Lil Al, June 4th, 1979. Dear Lil Al! Not Dear Al. Even then, you can't just say, hey, Al. I've been holding this check waiting for more money to come in. and just wrote you another check, which I will hold as well.

I wrote you a message on it, but I decided to send it right away with this one. My wrestling publications business is just not doing well, and I have had to make some very tough decisions. One is that I'm going to hold back on buying any more photos until the business picks up. I've been trying everything to generate more business, but nothing is working, and the way the economy is, sales are down everywhere and show no signs of changing

therefore I have decided to try and keep things going with the material I have from new photos I get from those photographers who provide them to me in return for free advertising I will buy any photos you have already taken for me but please hold off taking any more as I don't have the budget to handle more

and by the way also part of the thing was and Norman never paid that much to begin with, but that's why you would sometimes see in the programs or of that particular period of time pictures from 1976 that he had the color separation made for already that he would just put that in and the guy might have a different gimmick or not look like that or whatever,

but sometimes it was behind the time. He was stretching is what he was doing. Hopefully things will pick up again or something, but for now I am cutting back and trying to survive. This year has been the worst one ever for me, and I just will try to ride out the situation and hope things pick up.

But as you realize, I have left you waiting a long time for payment on your most recent shipments, and with things getting worse, I think it is best if you hold off on doing more work for me until I can afford to pay you. He's asked him to do that about three times now, hadn't he?

He did, and he also wrote a very similar note on the actual check. And then that was June 4th. What was the check for, by the way? This check here is for $159. Holy shit, that may be the biggest check he ever wrote. And it has photos that were purchased. 1433, Randy Tyler.

1434, Tom and Lane versus Cassidy and Kid. 1439, Scoot. 1440, Stan Lane. 812, Prince Tonga. 14441 Patton and Sing with Usher. Does that say Usher? Jerry Usher was the referee. Oh, yeah, that's exactly right.

And action, Charlie Cook and Black Atlas, Rick Flair, Cookin Atlas, Brody, Diane Devine with Mad, with, as I said, Mad Dog Boyd, with Boyd, it's not Mad Dog Boyd, that'd be Boyd Pierce. And so on and so on, it goes on the photos that were purchased. listed them. The next letter from Norman to Al, July 16th, 79. Dear Lil Al, he wrote Lil La. He actually wrote his name wrong here. Lila.

Dear Lil La. I wrote you over a month back to hold off on doing more new stuff for me. Since that time, I have not received anything from you, even though you said when you called more than a month ago that you had a package about ready for me, and I agreed to buy it. I hope you will send it soon before the stuff I wanted becomes outdated. Things have picked up a bit with the programs, and I have a new deal going. He was still reporting news from the Lincoln shooting at Ford's Theater at this time. I don't think it would be too outdated. Things have picked up a bit with the programs, and I have a new deal going,

which will give me control of a national newsstand wrestling magazine. That's when he took over the ring wrestling enterprise and got on the newsstand with wrestling magazine and the Rings Wrestling. So I could again start buying new photos from you. However, there will have to be some changes as I just can't afford to buy a black and white 8x10 of every photo you need. So here's my new proposal. Does that make sense?

No. I think you can make out as well on it, and it will give me what I need. Instead of any prints, I need to have color slides, ectochrome transparency. Yeah, that's this one. Transparencies. Transparencies, or whatever you call them. I can make the screen prints for the magazine and the color separations directly from them. See, that, and let me give some insight on this.

if he wanted to do stuff on the covers, he needed a slide that reproduced better when making a color separation for the printing process. I took some slides for him every so often, but most of my stuff was on film because of the picture business that I had going, and because my stuff looked fairly good anyway, he would use my color pictures on the covers

because the separation would come out okay, but he still wanted slides for most people. My new proposal to you is this. First, I'll still pay you $35 for each trip to New Orleans for the Superdome cards and $50 for each trip to Houston. Oh, hold on. Wait a minute now. God damn, $35. Even then if he shot four rolls of film on a Superdome show,

there was $35 plus gas and going and coming and Houston, Port Allen, Louisiana, if it's in the New Orleans area, which I think it is South Louisiana, Houston would be 200 miles at each direction. And same thing, but nevertheless. Well, again, that's not for photos. That was

actually to pay him just to go and cover the events. Then we can work the rest two ways. First of all, you would shoot color slide film. Then we can go one of two ways. He just said that. What the fuck? You could send the film direct to me

and I would develop it. And of the pictures I needed, I would make duplicate slides. I would pay cost of developing and 50 cents for each slide I made a duplicate of and return the complete original set of slides to you. That was option one.

That sounds like a lot of work. That way, you would be getting 50 cents per slide, and since you told me that the 8 by 10 paper now cost you over a dollar a sheet, and that the time and labor you put into making the 8 by 10s, and the cost to you to develop the film would all drop off, so you need to make more, probably, and I would have what I need. God damn, he's doing this shit himself. I, uh, full tone photo company was processing my stuff and for apparently around the same price. I figure paying for developing and cost of duplicate slide and 50 cents to you would cost me about

$2 as now as now, but then I would have exactly what I need for everything. Or my second proposal would be for you to develop the film and pick that... Blow me! My second proposal would be for you to blow me! Would be for you to develop the film and pick out what you want to send me and then charge me for what it costs you to develop. I would then make duplicates and pay you 50 cents each and return the original as above. Either way is fine with me, although I felt the first way, might be better as you often get busy, and if all you have to do is shoot the film and send it to me, it might be easier for you,

and I would get what I need when I need it. Yours, Norm. Is there any response from Al? Well, here's another check. Well, here's, this is kind of where things change. We'll get Al in a second. One more from Norm to Al, September 10th, 79. Dear Lil Al, I finally got information on the new promotion setups for the area.

The way things stand right now, I will not be able to buy more photos from you of Louisiana wrestling, but I'll buy the ones I agreed to on the phone last week. Mid-South Wrestling is the new promotion of Louisiana and Mississippi. I will be doing the programs for them, but they have picked out another photographer who they want to do all the photo work for that program. Mr. McGirk will continue to promote in Oklahoma,

but as yet I have not made a deal with him to do the programs. However, that is outside of your area. I don't know how things will work out for the future, but that is the way they stand right now. If there are any changes or any other projects where I can use material from you, I will let you know, but as things stand right now, I will not be able to buy photos from you until there are some changes.

Norm. And hold on here. And the reason for that for people whose heads are spinning with Norman's kindly tone, when Watts took over from McGirk, Lil Al had been with the McGirk operation for years at that point, and he was probably heavily loyal to the McGirk side. and Watts taking over Louisiana and Mississippi, while McGurk still had Oklahoma, Arkansas, and part of Missouri,

wanted new people involved, didn't want to mowl in the locker room. But if Norm had still wanted to really do business with Lil Al, he was already going to Houston. He was talking about Houston. Houston at the time was affiliated with neither McGirk nor Watts. so I wonder why that was not an option possibly because somebody had nettled someone I have here a letter

a handwritten letter from Lil Al Vavasor it's stamped Lil Al's photo service Alvavasor P-Vosx 4 542 Avenue B Port Allen, Louisiana and the phone number December 2nd 1979

Hi Norm As you will note I write void on both tickets. My failure, delay, and et cetera, is your gain. So he voided a couple of checks he got from Norman. Note with three exclamation points. I am trying an experiment. I'll take two or three more weeks to complete. If I'm successful, I will call you immediately. I thought you might be able to use these in the meantime, he sent some photos. Do you still need only color slides for all your future photo needs?

Didn't he just get fired a minute ago? Oh, as per Grizzly Smith, words to me, he didn't say Smith's, just Grizzly Smith words to me, Tommy has taken over for me. I spoke to Jack Curtis, and he told me, you said I was very slow, and you were not getting photos from me. That is true, underlined in red. I won't try to deny truth and facts.

But remember, I told you, I told Jack, and I pleaded with Grizzly for help and assistance to get photos I need. All Grizzly wants to tell me, and this is a quote, The boys don't want me to sell their photos. Aha! Then it says in red ink in parentheses, Who in the damn hell is the boys? Now let me stop there for a second.

Have you been shooting photos for years around wrestling? Is it crazy to you that he wouldn't know that terminology? Well, yeah, of course. And I think he's saying it in terms of, well, who the hell are they? Like to, you know, I've been around here. But the thing is, the guys wanted to be in the magazines. The guys wanted, especially in Bill Afters magazines, because they were newsstand, they were now.

but the guys wanted to be in the magazines and it didn't mind being in the programs most of the time, but in places where, for example, I've done Dundee every once a while, I get pricklish because when I was doing my magazine that Norman Kiteser was printing for me and had a picture of him along with the fabulous ones on the cover, that was a picture that they weren't selling on the merchandise table. That's why I put it on the magazine. it would be exclusive. But then Dundee and some guys would go, well, why would they buy the picture of me when they could get the picture of me and the other guys for, you know,

the guys didn't like that sometimes. And if they had, that's if they had the right to sell their own pictures in a place or just the idea that maybe they thought this guy, Lil Al, was making a fortune off of selling their pictures and they were pissy about it. Driving around in his wrestling car. Driving around in his red,

maybe he called a little too much attention to himself. But maybe also it was just that they were telling him whatever they were telling him because Watts wanted new fucking people. He didn't want a McGirk mole in the locker room. Let's go back to this, what Grizzly Smith was telling him. He even remarked, I could not sell photos by mail anywhere if guys were in the area. Now, I was told that Buck Robly is also an owner of Mid-Southwood,

Watson Curtis, and whoever. There's three question marks there. Well, Buck Robly at one time was the Booker. I don't know if it was during this particular period of time, but he was never an owner of any of the company, nor neither was Grizzly. But also alerted to fact that Grizzly probably won't be here very much longer. I was told, here's a quote,

hang in there, keep your mouth shut and ears open. Well, now, and actually, is that when that Grizzly got sideways with Watts and started booking for Jack Kerr. Curtis in Mississippi. In 79? Was that about that time? I don't know. It would have been earlier.

He would have come back, I think. Would it have been earlier, yeah. So then Grizzly, well, when did he send him the book for Leroy? When did he send him the book for Leroy McGirk? Would it have been here? Maybe, but was Leroy folded up? Well, not by then, no. Watts got the rest of then, what, late 82 or early 83?

Yeah. Uh, let's go back to this. This isn't bigger text than everything else. Okay, three exclamation points. I suspect that Grizzly Smith and Bill Watts are the two key people I need to overcome. But I don't know what is wrong or how to reach them to discuss a solution. If you know, won't you please tell me. Please underlined.

I was told by someone that my ex-wife Mike Fortune the kid that worked for me and or Tina Sigfried Stanky's wife or girlfriend may have had something to do with my problems

especially Ethel and Tina Ethel and Tina now who would have thought that Ethel and Tina would have been involved in this someone is locally trying trying underlined in red to reach Grizzly Smith and learn the truth and or problems.

That's written so poor. I'm sorry. So, three exclamation points. No wonder he just took the pictures and didn't write the stories. If I succeed in my trial and experiment, will you be able to continue using color slides and whatever from me? You can call me at night after 7 p.m.

Or I can call you collect. You refuse and call me back. waiting to hear from you soon. Wait a minute, that's even better. I'll call you collect. You refuse it than call me back. What kind of cloak and dagoning fucking bullshit is this anyway? No wonder he liked dealing with me.

I just sent him fucking pictures. I didn't engage him in any sociological experiments with Ethel and Tina. If I call you up, hang up the phone, and then call me back in a special number. And then give me the code. number and knock three times and then say wink wink nod nod i'll know it's you and apparently with this he uh he sent photos so that's uh the story there of actually are any of these letters put together with uh clippings from a magazine like a ransom note well no but if i go a little bit ahead

one last interesting thing i'll hit you with or a couple november 9th 1983 so four years later Dear Lil Al, it was nice hearing from you by phone the other day. I looked at your file and realized it had been four years since I've written you. There have been a lot of changes since then. And because, by the way, at that point, around about the end of 1979, is when you stopped in any of the magazines or where you stopped seeing Lil Al photos, most of which were taken in front of a curtain that hung somewhere. I never didn't find out where it was.

but this big stage curtain that he would take for years everybody it may have been in the downtown building in new orleans with a good lighting setup i don't know but go ahead let me stop for a second just because of that topic i mean you never experienced it but the idea that you're a regular photographer and just all of a sudden shut out now obviously it was a different promotion it was a change but it was all the same people it wasn't like wats started up with new people it was the same local promoters it was the same booker it was everything was the same lot of the same talent. Yeah. Can you even imagine of one day you showed up and you were told

you can't shoot and you can't sell any of your photos anymore? Yeah, well, that would have been quite inconvenient. And, you know, that was the thing

is that in Tennessee, there was never any interruption in ownership or change in administration like that. But in a lot of cases, in different territories when things happened,

things changed like that, guys would get on the outs or guys, guys that were on the outs would get on the ends. You know, Dave McLean ended up Dick the Brewser's son-in-law, right? He was the photographer, one of the photographers.

No, it was Scott Romer. I'm sorry, I don't tell a lie. Yeah, I don't think that would have worked out. No, Scott Romer was Bruiser's son-in-law. I'm sorry, but Scott Romer and Dave McLean were both the ringside photographers in Indianapolis. And honestly, about the time that that they got, you know, adults,

because they were teenage wonders like myself, but their problem was, is that the whole territory went out of business about the time that they got to be adults and they had to freelance shoot for a lot of the national companies that would come through Indiana. Scott went around the world.

Dave chose a different path with glow or whatever. But anyway, yeah, you could be on the ends or you could be on the outs. Let's go back to this, November 93, or November 9th, 1983 letter from Norm Kiteser to Lil Al Vavasor. We are still doing programs for the Mid-South Wrestling Association, and also they are selling the Wrestling News magazine at their matches. But, as I told you on the phone,

I am no longer in charge of buying new photos from the Mid-South area. They make the arrangements to obtain the photos, and then send me what they want used as far as new material is concerned. So I don't have a budget out of which I could buy new material. I just thought I'd make that clear up front so that you were aware of that. So you're not going to get fed out of the back of the meat wagon here. As I told you on the phone, any and all arrangements for you to again be a photographer in that area would have to be made through the promotion, specifically Bill Watts. And by the way, I can testify to what they were doing there because the Superdome programs from 1984 were

printed by Norm Kiteser and the you know his his company pro wrestling enterprises but in some cases those programs that year I did some of the photography uncredited but they needed pictures the new baby faces they needed fresh stuff of hacksaw dougan they needed the rock and roll express they needed Terry Taylor so I had my camera with me so we over a couple of days where I went out and shot Magnum on a motorcycle out in Alexandria, Louisiana, somewhere out in the woods where people couldn't see us together. And I brought a backdrop and did the rock and roll and some of the other guys in Oklahoma City one afternoon,

and those ended up in the programs. I hope things do work out for you. But then in any case, I've enclosed a copy of the most recent issues of my magazine, number 106, and the Mid-South program, number 86, To come off the press, which I hope you will find of interest, sincerely Norman Kiteser. And then finally... You know, Norman writing these letters, how much free time must he have had for himself? I just talked about 79 up. I have, I mean, it's a giant stack, inches deep of Lil Al correspondents going back to the early 70s.

Finally, let's end with this one for... From the Files. February 7th, 1988. Ooh. Dear Lil Al. Nice talking with you on the phone today. I guess it's been five years since I heard from you. The most recent address I have for the promotions you asked about are Jim Crockett Promotions, 421 Breyer Ben Drive,

Charlotte, North Carolina, 28209, Titan Sports, McMahon Promotions, 81 Holly Hill Lane, Greenwich, Connecticut, 06-830. And finally, Fred Ward promotions. Oh my God. 1028 Front Street, Columbus, Georgia, 31901. I hope these addresses are still correct,

as I have not had any recent direct dealings with any of those promotions. I've also enclosed a copy of the wrestling news number 124, which is the most recent issue I did, Norman. So do you think Lil Al called him and said, hey, you think I can get a job with any of these other promotions? Because Crockett was run in Louisiana at that point. Beyond the actual business of selling photos, and I'm assuming he did all right,

is it something you can get addicted to, the idea of shooting from ringside and being there in the middle of, you know, you're the only thing separating the fans and the wrestlers is kind of you're in that little zone where you can feel the heat, you feel everything. well yes i mean that was it was fun and you got the best seat in the house but i think in this case here because like i said little l disappeared i don't know what he did for a regular living he may have been a regular photographer or do other things or whatever was going on with ethel and tina i don't know but if norman kaiser didn't hear from him for five years and all of a sudden he's asking for addresses for crockett who at that time was on tbs and had just bought

mid-south and was running Louisiana Vince who was national and Fred Ward with that because well I'm thinking that maybe Lil Al didn't keep up with all the goings on in wrestling and maybe he had been to

because Columbus Georgia if you were going to go from Louisiana to the Georgia territory you'd hit South Georgia, Macon and Columbus first maybe he'd been up there before worked for Fred Ward but Fred Ward had been out of business since 1980 fucking three. So it sounds to me like he was trying to fall back on something if he was needing a

part-time or a full-time job or whatever, and he's seeing all the wrestling on national TV and think, oh, shit, you know, maybe I could get somebody to actually pay me to do this. But it doesn't sound like he was addicted or he would have been beaten down everybody's door. When I went to Louisiana, I thought I'll finally see. who this fucking little Al Vavasor he is. And he was at never at a show. Never darkened the doorstep,

didn't take photos, didn't introduce himself to anybody. His name was never mentioned. I blame Ethel. I blame Tina. Sigfried Stanky's, Tina? Were you ever around him, Sigfried Stanky? Never met him. Great name, but I never met him.

Well, here it is. Inside Mid-South drama that you know. never knew you needed to hear about from the files, more next time. But Jim, perhaps looking at the destruction this caused his business, maybe, who knows, perhaps there was a way to sue. You know, that's the thing I'm thinking about. It seems like Lil Al got the short end of the stick. He got, he got Igied out of his position, he wrongful termination. It was all Tina and Ethel's fault. And if this man had been involved, the truth would have come out.

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Stephen P. Newt. That's right. Newlawoffice.com, 87750, Steve. Jim, let's get some questions before we get out of here. This one was sent via the Cult of Cornethef Facebook group by J.P. Schwartz. why is it that heels get to beat down baby faces without interruption whereas whenever the tables are turned

agents and security swarm the scene to prevent it from happening? Why you ask? Why? Lazy booking. Of, that's, it's a modern wrestling thing and we've talked about it endlessly

that sometimes guys will look crossways at each other and one guy will maybe blow some snot in a guy's direction. You've got 15 security guards trying to pull them apart before they even get together. But other times you have cattle mutilation taking place in the middle of the ring, and it's like the whole place is empty.

Nobody's trying to stop it. It's not consistent. That's my biggest problem. It depends on the company. It depends on the producer. Depends on the way it's written. It depends on a lot of times what's convenient. And that's a,

drawback that I have a problem with is you've got to have consistency and you've got to create a sense of urgency. And so the answer is that there is no good reason otherwise than it would be boring and counterproductive. The people don't want to see a heel get the shit kicked out of him by a baby face for 15 minutes straight because then you've got your pop on seeing the heel beaten up and humiliated or he's gotten his medicine or he's gotten what fur and then it gets old even with the best most entertaining heels just over and over just beating the shit of the guy no it doesn't work

the heel needs to first build up enough heat on a baby face through one encounter or multiple encounters that people are waiting to see the baby face get even with him and then finally in the match he makes the comeback and he does in the end so there's more of the heel beating on the baby face than there is the baby face beating on the heel, but still, like you said, there's that loophole and the consistency should be tightened up, but it depends on the presentation.

Does that make any sense, Brian? It makes sense. I'll say the other thing about these segments I don't like. It's one thing the wrestlers as agents, and it just took me forever to realize that was Pedy Williams on WWETV. For so long, I was like, did Pat Buck die his hair black? What is that?

It's Pity Williams. I don't even know. I hate the modern. It's not really totally modern, but lately it just looks so bad to me. Wrestling students, local wrestlers as security guards. Who go out and hold their hands up

and their mouths open, stop. I can't stand that. It's the worst. And, I mean, other than having Tiffany Stratton land on their head, like happened the other night, I don't understand why they can't just get better people for that, but...

Well, and that's the thing also is whether people like it or not, once again, not being stuck in the past, in the territory days, your security was legitimate fucking cops that people knew were cops because they saw them every fucking week. And if you got the security in an angle, then they were willing to work with you, then the people believed it because it was legitimate police doing this stuff. But they didn't just, no territory transported six or eight trainees around just to slap shirts on them and send them out to get beat up as fake security.

And that's why that, you know, people don't believe any of that anymore. I mean, it adds to the confusion and the chaos and the, it gives a nice soft pile for somebody to dive into, but nobody believes these people are actually trying to separate this thing. I've got videotape of the cops in Louisville trying to fucking separate some shit. It looked more real than this stuff does. Our next question sent via the Cult of Cornette Facebook group was sent by Mark Machowski, if I'm pronouncing that correctly.

I live in northeastern Pennsylvania, and over the years I've heard about WWE having television in Hamburg and Allentown being a popular location for wrestlers in the 80s. Why were these areas such a big deal? Was it because of the proximity to New York? Today the only major thing in Hamburg is Cabellas. So I'd like to know more about the history of wrestling in these areas before it's lost to me. Well, at the time, they were still, the WWF being they, was still doing the majority of their television post-production in Baltimore. That's Kevin Dunn and Kevin Dunn's father.

And they had a place down there. What did they call it? What was the name of the company? They did their post-production. Intermedia? But yes, say again. Was it intermediate or am I thinking of something else? No, you're thinking to something else.

It wasn't Studio 1 or whatever the fuck it was. Point being, that's where Kevin Dunn. That's where Kevin Dunn's father came from. They were based in Baltimore. And they did a lot of the post-production. I think they shot the early Tuesday night Titans at a studio down in Baltimore, where they were doing that stuff. But point being, yes, Hamburg and Allentown were close to the New York metropolitan area,

but also not far from Baltimore. It was convenient for the office staff, for the production crew to get to. But what they were looking for was something that you didn't readily find anywhere around the New York metropolitan area. And what a lot of in Maryland was those two cities had two buildings had two buildings. had two buildings, the Hamburg Fieldhouse and what was it, the Ag Hall in Allentown? Yeah, that's right. That you could have a wrestling show where you could get the TV equipment in and the lights and you could seat 2,000 people.

Maybe it's 2,500. I'm not trying to shortchange them. Maybe it was 1,500. I'm not trying to exaggerate. But it was a small building. It'd always be full. They could do it once a month. Those towns are close to.

together so they'd do one, one night, one the next night. And they would have both of their syndicated TV shows in the can for the next four weeks after those two days in Pennsylvania close together. And the guys would stay at that motel in Allentown that Snooka made famous. And that's why it was done there. It wasn't like these were, I mean, there were good towns for wrestling because they supported the taping, but it wasn't like, oh my God, we got to go to these two towns. It was like, hey, we found two towns close together with affordable buildings

that'll look good on TV, and it's close for everybody to get to. And that's what they did for years and years when they went out of the, you know, the television studio system and the previous manners of taping that they did. They set that up when Vince started going nationally. Or before, actually. It was before that Vince Sr. set those up in what the late 70s. That's right. Philadelphia was one of the towns too

early on and then they moved to just Hamburg and Allentown and then in E.4. They would tape at the Philadelphia Arena, not the spectrum, right, but the smaller building in town. That's right. And then they moved it eventually out of there in 84 as the national expansion took place. That was the end of Joe McHugh as your ring announcer. And I'm your ring announcer,

Joe McHugh. All right, Jim, let's get another question here. This one was sent. via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com, boy, this is a long one. Sent by Seth from Long Island. I've heard of the seven-year rule, which was coined by Jim himself.

The premise of this rule is that after seven years, it is acceptable to reuse gimmicks or storylines due to having been a turnover in the fan base by that time. Is that the correct way to put it, Jim? It kind of, and I think I was somewhat being facetious when I said that. You know, oh, seven years, it doesn't have to be that long. It could be quicker. It could be longer.

It depends on who did it first and how well they did it. But there is some element of turnover and at least some dimming of memory. So even in the same place, you can repeat stuff after it's been a while. And, you know, it might have a chance of flying. I guess he wants to know his opinion about that. He has an article he attached here. I asked this question because in the era of streaming and social media, Whereas easier than ever to search for different wrestling clips at the drop of a hat with YouTube, Netflix, Peacock, etc., it seems easier to have some fans go,

oh, hey, this reminds me of such and such, complete with a clip of it, even though newer viewers would have never seen that story or angle when it initially took place. As a viewer of NXT, one specific example for me is whenever I see people say, oh, this is Sean Michaels using his greatest hits for a moment or story even though the moments in question the barbershop window lost my smile, etc. were well over the seven-year rule Sean himself even addressed that

at the NXT press conference two years ago. Here's a quote. Some of them clearly complete rip-off. We're using them because we thought they were good. Nothing thrills me more than that. This stuff is 30 years. old and people go, oh, it's the same.

I'm fortunate that we have a fan base that remembers that far, but we're also appealing to a whole new fan base. They're still moving. They're still impactful. They're still memorable storylines. Well, end it there. He goes on a little bit more, and he has another article here. But again, what is it like now? When you first said that, I think it probably was in the 90s, which was a different universe.

Oh, no, it was more recent than that, but it was still quite a while back. But that's a, with national television, that was the first problem with trying to do angles that have been done other places, because again, in the territory days, it was regional television. And the wrestling business was built on top stars going from territory to territory. and when they would get to a new territory, they would be working if they were a main event guy, they'd be working with the new Booker, they'd want to draw money, they'd say, hey,

I did this angle with so-and-so in Portland, it could work here in Charlotte. Or, hey, you know, Wahoo McDaniel was great for recommending guys he had worked with to come in and do something with him or other. That's how Wahoo recommended Rick Flair to George Scott and the Carrier. Carolinas. But Wahoo and Valentine would go from place to place and do their shit because

the people had not seen it in a new territory. It had been regional television. So those angles amongst the same people done the same way could still make money in a variety of places. Now, when you get national television, that has somewhat changed. But you can also do angles that have been done previously that work, but with new little twists to tailor them to the guys that are doing it. You don't have to cut the promo the exact same way if you get the point across. You don't have to do the physicality the exact same way. If the main focus of the angle, the injury angle,

whether pilmanizing the leg on the chair or hanging somebody, from the neck with a goddamn cable or whatever is there. It can be gone into or it can be fleshed out in a different fashion. But you still, there's only so many things that the human being can do to another human being and then put it in the context of wrestling. It makes it even harder. That's why so many times you see angles that aren't in the context of wrestling. and people just go bullshit and tune it out out of hand

except for the ironic wrestling crowd. But there's still plenty of old deals that you can tweak and that you can, and like Dusty said one time, he gave me a finish in Greensboro for the Midnight Express to work with, I think it was the Road Warriors. And I said, but we just did that finish last month with the Rock and Roll Express.

He said, they won't notice, kid, it's different people. Well, they would have kind of noticed because this was a fluke finish, but if you do the same concept of something, but it's done by different people in a different building that each have their personal spin to put on the main point, you can still disguise it and use the flavor of what was done before. You know, you don't have to be in the Georgia TV studio for the baby face to say, how did you know I had four flat tires or whatever the fuck.

Although, you know, I'm sorry I was long-winded. Although certain things work better in the studio setting just because of the close proximity of the fans and the reaction you would get. Well, yes, but I was just being, I was being a smart Alec, but, you know, there's all kinds of different ways that you can come to the punchline when you're telling a story. Well, Jim, our next question sent via the Colta Cornett Facebook group by Rob Schwartz. What are the most unusual items you've seen thrown by fans at wrestlers?

Ha, ha, ha. I made a list a couple of years ago for that dark side of the ring, the Tales from the Territories series that they branched off on. I mean, I just speaking for myself, shoes, vaseline jars, batteries. I mentioned that I've been violent. omitted on before. I don't know whether it was thrown like from the guy's hand in some kind of container or just came directly from the source. You've seen literally again

everything at one point or another I have seen that's been sold at a wrestling match or is in the environment has been thrown. I've got a picture that I took at the gardens of Jerry Lawler getting heat on Ken Lucas and there's blood dripping off of both of them and right coming down right toward lawler's head somebody had thrown a big 16 ounce soft drink cup and since my shutter speed was so quick I caught it you could read Louisville gardens on the side of the cup right before it hits his head oh man that's why they had to quit years ago for wrestling matches really all sporting events but wrestling matches

Nobody sells a drink and a glass bottle anymore, but they used to. You go back in the 40s and 50s and you see accounts of wrestling matches where talent and or spectators were laid open or sent at the hospital by somebody throwing a beer bottle that they bought in the building. In Boston one time, well, not one time, but at one period, they literally put like some kind of fishing net over the ring because the people were throwing so much shit, the net would catch it before it landed in the ring

and bean somebody. And that's where they put in the cattle shoot at the old Boston Garden for the guys to go to the ring after the guy jumped in the ring and stab Black Jack Mulligan for 200 stitches worth when he was wrestling Pedro Morales. So, I mean, anything that could be pulled out of a woman's purse, you know, perfume,

anything they think that I have pickles I was like people throw fucking pickles they threw tennis balls at me at the Midnight Express and Boone North Carolina one and it was a planned thing at the college up there because it wasn't like two or three people

threw two or three balls it was literally they'd bought dozens and dozens and they were raining but yeah I was a woman threw her shoe at me one night I picked it up and threw it under the fucking ring she had to limp out one footed seriously but they lose control of themselves

although not although not thrown by a fan I guess the craziest thing I wrestler threw was a woman in a wheelchair yes bruiser and Cincinnati threw a wheelchair and another fan that was attacking him and as the story goes there was a woman

sitting in it at the time there was a lawsuit over that it was like 1961 or whatever at the Cincinnati guards can you see Bruiser telling Barnett Barnett go Dick, what in the world? Well, I didn't see her there.

I just picked up the chair. See, when you hear about these old riots, I just wish I had a seat in the balcony to just sit there and watch like the tornado happened around. It must have been amazing to watch it. Being in the middle of them was not any fun at all and you couldn't even get a good view.

You were just, you were in the eye of the storm. But I was in Atlanta in the Omni when they turned on Dusty in the cage in 1980, and thankfully I was sitting up in the seats. And that was an item to behold. With all the cops outside trying to keep all those people back and the people trying to get up on the cage and they couldn't tell which ones were the boys

that had run out to make the save and which ones were the fans that were trying to make save for real. And there was a bunch of them and the Louisville stuff. You know, it was nice to sit back and watch but you didn't want to be in the middle of it. But they would throw anything, that we're including chairs as we've seen from the Cleveland riot footage and ECW and uh but in more vintage fashion ECW was more playful it wasn't about heat or anything it was just like hey let's all

throw chairs and who cares if anyone gets hurt it was also the the wrestler asked it was Terry Fuggs he gave me a chair and they gave him 200 but no back when they were throwing chairs in the ring because they were mad and you didn't want the chairs in the ring that was a little more disturbing but they'd throw anything that you could have in a woman's purse and a man's pocket that wasn't nailed down that was the the Beckley lawsuit that we had were the whoever it was that threw it through an entire four-foot wooden arrow-shaped owl marker section D in like a fucking spear like a javelin and there was a I stood up one time on the ropes when we got introduced and somebody threw a bald

up cup of ice hit me right on the head of the dick. Ha! Dick Murdoch one night was in the ring, was supposed to get drop kicked in the back and take a bump over the top rope. Somebody threw a big cup of ice, hit him in the back, he took a bump over the top from the cup of ice. I don't know why, but the beginning of the Coliseum home video, like the original series of WWF videos, they had like a montage to that song.

And they had, I think, Tito Santana had, no, Mike Rotunda had Iron Sheek or Nikolive woke off in an airplane spin, Dick Kroll, the giant referee stand in the air, the clip they show someone pegs him in the head with something. So for the second you see the airplane spin, you see the ball bounce off Dick Kroll's head. But yeah, that was an occupational

hazard. Fruit or nuts or again, pickles. Pickles was because they're, they're, you know, they used to sell the pickles on a stick back in the old days in the arena. No.

Pickle on a stick. Yes. Down south they did. Let's get another question here. We've got a little more time and then we're going to get out of here. Songs return next week, by the way. I see we have a new submission from Rocky the Ramon, so that will kick off. Yay.

The new era of songs send in your submissions. Corny Drive-Thru at gmail.com. No songs by Al. That's right. No AI, please. And if you want your song to actually be used on the show in some capacity, it's always best to have something original or something that is clearly a parody. Let's now get a couple more questions.

Jim, this was sent via the Colt of Cornet Facebook group by Alex Beezzie Bally. My dad, Mike Anthony, wrestled for Windy City Pro Wrestling in Chicago from the early 1990s until the early 2000s. Okay, wait a minute, I was thinking it was the Van Halen guy, but I remember Mike Anthony at Windy City, if my memory serves me correct. he got called in to be enhancement talent a few times on WWE TV. Does Jim know who scouted the Midwest area looking for talent at that time? And does Jim know about Windy City Wrestling that were around in the 80s to the mid-2000s era? I thought they were still around, actually. I didn't know that they weren't.

Well, I think in its original incarnation, Sam DeCiro was the promoter of Windy City Wrestling. and again when when verne and the AWA pretty much abandoned live events and they were just doing the TV tapings that they had on ESPN and running you know closer to home Chicago the greatest wrestling city in north America for a hundred years was sitting there and wrestling was still so popular and so over in town that windy city wrestling got a local TV show. I'm not even sure whether it's on broadcast, but at local Independence Station, if that, and they would bring in a few names, but they had local talent from the Midwest also. And this started way before the other independents started. This was like, we said, maybe 89-ish and through the early 90s.

And they had shows where they would draw a couple thousand people. And Windy City, it was WCPW, Windy City Pro Wrestling, wrestling because Windy City Wrestling and WCW were confusingly similar. But Sam DeCero was the promoter. He had wrestled as, God damn it. I think he had like a Road Warriors type gimmick. But they lasted for quite a while. And to answer the question about who was scouting,

that would have been me because that's what Chris Daniels was from that same part of the country. Jerry Lynn was from Minnesota. soda. But he was starting right about that time. And I'm trying to think with Chris Daniels also, Mike Anthony, and boy howdy. Adam Pierce came along a little bit later. But there was another guy or two, Steve Boz.

Steve Boz, I think, was part of that crowd. I used to get them booked a lot for enhancement talent when we did TV up there. But they had a number of local guys. that went on to some notoriety. Our next question was sent me of the Cult of Cornette Facebook group by Steve Eckhart. What is Jim's favorite barbecue joint?

Where in the world? Or various places? Here in Louisville, love the feed store. Mark's feed store has several locations, but I used to go to the original one when I was a kid, and it was actually a feed store. They sold bales of hay for the, farm animals and sacks of feed and grain.

And it took me a while to go to the feed store as a restaurant because I remembered what it smelled like as a feed store. But quaint building, there's also another barbecue place here in Louisville now called Martin's Barbecue. I love the smoked wings, the hush puppies, the best in the world, and the comeback sauce. Make you want to come back. Whereas at the feed store, they've got the best burgoo in town.

and the fried lemon pepper fish dinner is off the fucking charts. In Memphis, one is no longer there. There used to be a place called Gridleys. And me and Bobby and Dennis or Bobby and Stan whenever we would go back to Memphis for Crockett or, you know, TBS or whatever, first thing we'd do when we get off the plane is we'd head to Gridleys. And they had incredible barbecue, and I love this. they would bring you a little iron skillet with these mushrooms in it with cheese on top of them and oh my god

and they had they had waiters that looked like they were dressed like the old plantation waiters and at some point after like 1991 when i stopped going to memphis i came back seven or eight years later and gridleys had gone out of business but there is the home of the rendezvous which is not the best barbecue in the world, but for the ambiance and the location and all the things they have on the walls, it's a tourist thing in Memphis. You've got to see it.

But corkies in Memphis has incredible fucking smoked wings, and they got some great shit there. And then you spread out around the country. But that's enough to start on, isn't it? I think that's enough to start on, and maybe that's enough to end on with that. The drive-through is closed. Where is...

Now I'm hungry! Remember factor if you're hungry. Ooh, I wonder if they've got keto and they've got chef's choice. I wonder if they got barbecue. Well, we'll find out what decision Jim makes on the experience in a few days and of course next week, right back here in the drive-through,

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