Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 385

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim answers YOUR questions about the Ric Flair Act, Hulk Hogan, TNA firings, Ryan Nemeth & AEW, Cody Rhodes, Andre The Giant, 23 & Me, & much more! Plus Jim re...views WWE Raw and Smackdown! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:17 I just don't have it today. Hello again, friends! And you are our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive Through, a fun, fun edition, guaranteed. I'm your host, The Great Brian Last. We're going to have fun, reviews, questions, topics. And who knows what else? With this man, the leader of the cult of Cornette?
Starting point is 00:00:41 Mr. Jim Cornett. Why do I sound like a fucking radio soap opera? pronounced suddenly and here he came the spinster cornet. You don't have it today. As opposed to which days do you have it? Sometimes on Wednesdays, sometimes on Wednesdays, sometimes Friday, Saturday. And occasionally another day with a Y in it. And why can't, you know, I could have been a spinster.
Starting point is 00:01:12 Had Stace not come along? I could have lived out my, my days in spinsterism. And I'd be feeding cats and things now. But there's nothing matter with spinsterism. More people ought to be spinsters these days. You know, early on it, I don't know why this made me think of it, but early on in my career in showbiz, I was working in an office,
Starting point is 00:01:35 and there was an older veteran executive who was there, and a very attractive young woman walked by. I may have looked her way. And the guy just goes very loudly, Oh, you like the spinners! I was like, Jesus Christ. What'd you say? Yeah, my favorite song was Rubber Band Man.
Starting point is 00:01:58 That's right, that's right. Like a rubber band, man, get me out of here. Just sling me out of here now. You like the spinners! Well, this is your show. Yeah, no, it's not. See, that's the thing here. There is no responsibility on my...
Starting point is 00:02:13 No, I'll tell you something. It is, I'm trying to get... in a good mood here today and go along with the frivolity and the flow of the jocularity of the program with the hilarity that ensues when we engage in all of our various tomfoolery. But for one thing, it's cold, wet weather here now. At least we're not having a real hot spring. We don't want that.
Starting point is 00:02:40 Thankfully, we're not having that yet because that leads to the thunderstorms in the severe tornado weather, but it's very wet, it's soggy, and it's still, it's in the 40s outside, it's rained, it's been raining, it's going to rain again, it's damp, it's dank,
Starting point is 00:02:57 it's cloudy, it's foreboding, my arthritis is acting up, and, Brian, I'll have you know that my faith in human nature has been shaken to the core, to the bone. My faith in people,
Starting point is 00:03:14 the goodness of people, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, and the, the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the, and the. And, and the. And, and the. And the. And, and the. And, and the. And the. And, and the. And the. And the. And the. And the. And and all that type of thing. You'll leave out the seps, just the cons. Well, but never, it's not even about Hotchkiss. Here's what, part of this is Hotchkiss, actually, but it's not even, he wasn't a perpetrator. He was the, the whistleblower. Because, you know, I'm a celebrity.
Starting point is 00:04:03 This is common knowledge. I am a celebrity of some description, which is people in certain circles know who I am, right? So that qualifies you these days to be. be a celebrity. And I get fan mail. And we've talked about, I've read some many times on the air and I thank people for things they've sent me. I get fan mail, right? This has been acknowledged. But every, I won't even say every so often, generally, you know, once a week or so, you get a card or you get an envelope from somebody. And usually it's a kid or, or, you know,
Starting point is 00:04:44 it's a guy who says he's collecting autographs for his kid, or it's somebody that you know is probably an adult, but you can tell by the communication and or the request that they probably spend a lot of time. They may be the homebound, the sick and the shut-ins. Will you please sign my picture? Will you please sign my trading card? And they put in the obligatory self-address stamped envelope and yes you might say well you know you sell these things jim on your website which i do but uh the autographs and such but i try to be kind to the fans i think back to the old days if christine jared had caught me 40 years ago trying to charge one of the fans for an autograph why she would have given me the grip and then whooped me okay you didn't do that stuff back then
Starting point is 00:05:38 you that's that was too mercenary the promoters were the ones that got to steal all the fans money. But anyway, well, you know, so every so while you get the request, we please sign a card, self-addressed stamped envelope. Every once a while, if it's like a 8 by 10 or something important to
Starting point is 00:05:56 people, they do put in a gratuity which, in addition to the self-addressed stamped envelope, with things being the way they are these days. That's, that's, you know, nice and appreciated. But
Starting point is 00:06:11 I noticed a couple of screwy things here recently that made me start to suspectify some people's motives. Now, one of them was, because you can tell sometimes people, they're not really making an effort. It looks like they just send this out to whoever the fuck they can get an address on and see what comes back to them. because the letter that was typed, not handwritten, but typed, began, Dear Mr. Cornett at the top, right?
Starting point is 00:06:50 And in the first line said, Hi, Conan, it's so great to be writing you. What? Yes. Conan. The Conan! The dumb shit forgot his cut and paste was whatever the, fuck was going on with that. So I was like, yeah, fuck you.
Starting point is 00:07:11 You can't have it. I should have wrote Conan and sent it back to it. But I know, I said, no, fuck you. But then recently I've noticed it seemed like that there was a guy, this one town in New York. I won't mention this guy's name. I'm fixed to talk about him from, I won't mention his name. But Minneola, New York, I'm looking at you, motherfucker. That's on the island.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Well, wherever it may be, it may be underwater by the time I get. I said, I've seen this guy's, yeah, he sent me some, a couple trading cards, right, to sign it. It seemed like I've seen this guy's name before. I've recognized that town or whatever. Seems like he sent me a few things, right? I've started thinking of that. Anyway, point I'm getting to is Hotchka saves the day because I've been going
Starting point is 00:08:03 through the vault because I've told you about the spring sale at Jim cornet.com. a place you can trust, a fine business reputation with legitimate merchandise. But for the spring sale, we've been going through now that, again, Hotchkis has fixed my website up with the inventory feature where it actually works and I don't have to just cut it off when I'm eyeballing it. I've got three of something laying around or six of something laying around. I had some boxes from when I used to do Fan Fest. We're getting that. We're trying and do a little spring cleaning and give the people some opportunity to buy some
Starting point is 00:08:41 merchandise I haven't had for sale for a while or haven't put up for sale yet. Some of the vintage magazines, things like that. And because this is one-of-a-kind stuff or limited stuff or I found some of the trading cards from the WWF and TNA, but maybe I've only got 10 of one or whatever, Hachkas was doing a little looking up on the inner web, as to what these things might be going for in today's environment. And this motherfucker in
Starting point is 00:09:12 Miniole in New York that's been sending me cards at like two at a time for apparently for a little while in a self-addressed stamped envelope, oh, thank you, Jim, for some big fan of yours, is selling this shit on eBay for hundreds of dollars.
Starting point is 00:09:29 Oh, get the fuck out of here. Now, nobody's buying it. Not for hundreds of days. You know where it says, so-and-so watching or so-and-so bids or whatever. No, you can tell people are going to fuck you for hundreds of dollars, but he's trying it. So I just got a little envelope from him coincidentally the other day,
Starting point is 00:09:57 and he's going to get a letter back from me here. If he doesn't hear this, if he's not listening to the show weekly, he's going to be surprised when he gets a letter back from me. But can you buy hundreds of dollars? And then he's going to sell the letter on eBay. Oh, well, and then in that case, then I can fucking write him another one. We can continue to play.
Starting point is 00:10:18 Well, now that would make him rich, wouldn't it? All right, the motherfucker's going to get, I'm going to write the letter on flashpaper. And then as soon as he reads it, I'm going to have somebody touch it off, and it'll be any of, but nevertheless, keep trying to fuck the cult of Cornett or the general public, just anybody's stupid enough
Starting point is 00:10:35 to pay hundreds of dollars for a trading card with my autograph just generic autograph on it when it will shortly be available at jimcornaid.com for a fraction of that price. See there? Yeah, fuck you, Minneola. Fuck you, Minneola. Now, we're going to have some cool stuff
Starting point is 00:10:58 that I've found and some old publicity pictures from the WWF from 93, the first photo session I had. Some of the black and white glossies they used to send out. I've got a stack of like 50 of those that I've had for 30 years, things like that. So we're going to have that up in a few weeks and some old magazines back for me before I was born, such as when people still counted in Roman numerals. But we're not going to be selling any trading cards for hundreds of dollars.
Starting point is 00:11:32 because we don't want to molest the public the way that miniola does. Good heavens. Can you believe that? For real. And by the way, he's also officially getting credit
Starting point is 00:11:46 because now I don't care of eight to 80, blind, crippled, or crazy, whoever writes me, some poor needy child saying, Jim, can you get me out of this locked basement I'm trapped in? Otherwise, can you sign my card? I'm, fuck them too.
Starting point is 00:12:01 I ain't signing for anybody. What are you saying the letter in the thing you just sent you? It's just always a little, hey, Jim, you know, love your show or love your podcast or whatever. You please sign my card. There's some generic. No reference. Like, hey, you may have noticed my name many, many times before. No, he, you know, apparently just thought that, because really he's, it's not a memorable name.
Starting point is 00:12:26 And he was in a memorable person until I found out he was selling shit that I was sending him for, hundreds of dollars. I thought he was some poor fucking fan with a goddamn OCD and somewhere in dipshit New York. And he liked to collect autographs through the mail. See, I'm trying to be nice to people. But no more of that now. Tell your children. Tell your children, ladies and gentlemen, that Jim Cornett will no longer respond to their fan mail and send them autographs that they otherwise might not be able to afford or elsewise they couldn't eat lunch at school that week. And he's not doing it anymore because of fucking Miniola.
Starting point is 00:13:08 He's like Ringo. Peace in love, peace of love. Just don't send me anything. I'll never sign it. But peace and love. No. Peace in love, but fuck Miniola. But anyway, and just now,
Starting point is 00:13:20 and we have another opportunity. And Levittown sucks too. Oh, that, that prick. I'll tell you what He had the nerve to call the police on me I always thought Hicksville was trash Let's just rip all of Long Island Well up one side and down the other
Starting point is 00:13:40 If I knew where any of it else was I would rip it too But I'll take your word for where all the rest of it is But nevertheless We have an opportunity now for people to join in On fine merchandise of the show With much less expense to them and much less shame.
Starting point is 00:14:01 They go into these black market. But you know, I even saw a couple of the autograph things of me. Hotchkiss again showed me this shit. A couple of them. It was not even my autograph. There's fake Jim Cornett autographs out there. There's one that I don't know how the fuck. It was signed in a, just let's say, in a fashion, in a place, in a fashion and
Starting point is 00:14:24 whatever that I've never done in my life. right across your face right across my face i just saw that on e-bay i was like jim would never do that what is that one wow yes yes so folks again jim cornet dot com for your autographed merchandise because then you know it's coming from the horse's ass himself and or brian the new show t-shirts that we got going on now where the people can revel in the in their drive-thru fandum and or just proclaim their cornyness to the world is at Arcadian and powered by Shopify
Starting point is 00:15:03 that's right powered by Shopify powered also by Travis Heckel some of his great artwork is currently out there more coming and of course corny YouTube lots of people been wanting different things with the corny art from the YouTube channel the drive-thru
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Starting point is 00:15:56 People will say, lo, there they became. You know, I'm excited about all that. And again, check it out Arcadianvanguard.com or look for Jim Cornett's drive-thru shirts on shop or wherever. But the real thing I'm excited about is the new Jim Cornett Autograph Authentication program we're going to set up where people can tell you. Yes. That is indeed my autograph.
Starting point is 00:16:17 And or in the other direction, no, that's bullshit. Can you, have I come to the point in my life? Life Bride where I'm so successful that people now had tried to sell fake Jim Cornett autographs. That's an industry that's blooming. Makes you wonder what else is out there? Are there fake Jim Cornett tennis rackets on the collector's market? Well, you'd have to have a DNA test done on some of the blood drops. I did actually sell one of my legitimate ring-used tennis rackets here at a fan fest.
Starting point is 00:16:53 It's been years ago now because I haven't done one in. five or six years or whatever, where I could say that was indeed Ricky Morton's blood right there. And the guy, oh, good, good. He maybe he was going to clone a new Ricky Morton, I don't know. You brought up DNA. Have we seen the thing in the news that the company 23 and me, which collects DNA or you send in samples and they tell you about your genetic traits
Starting point is 00:17:17 or illnesses that you could potentially have that are in the family? See, I thought 23 and me was a fucking dating site. for a chance to date 23-year-olds? Well, it sounds like it doesn't it? You know, barely legal or 23 and me? That kind of thing. That's what I thought that was. I think 23 is plenty legal.
Starting point is 00:17:38 That's not barely legal. But it's still close enough that you could pretend. But what do you think of the news that this company is going bankrupt or gone bankrupt? And now the attorney generals and I believe, or attorneys general, I guess I should say, in New York and California so far both said delete your data delete it now
Starting point is 00:17:58 because all your genetic data is part of the sale unless you delete it but wait a minute hold on here hold on now Brian you got a lot of spleening to do here I hope you're not going to do any Dave
Starting point is 00:18:14 explaining to me but what what market would there be what is the data there's so many questions they look up your DNA they can basically tell if you committed any crime but if you committed a major crime in the past
Starting point is 00:18:35 and then willingly submitted your DNA sample to somebody then fuck you you deserve to go to jail because you're an idiot but past well am I right or wrong okay well keep going I committed murder
Starting point is 00:18:49 27 years ago and got Scott free away with it but boy, I want to see whether I'm the fucking second cousin of Alec Baldwin. So the point is, what other market would there be for anybody's DNA? How could it be harmful except to catch you in a crime if you had a sample of somebody's DNA? What can go wrong here, Brian, according to the experts, is what I'm saying to you. Well, I have an article here from the Wall Street Journal in the technology section. 23 and me is bankrupt here's what you need to know about your genetic data
Starting point is 00:19:27 a hell of a headline there to scare you now I've never done this kind of thing would you ever consider it the idea of sending in your DNA to some outside company far away who are going to send you back information and put you in a national database or at least their own internal database well there was that one time that I sent a box of my own shit to, you know, this guy.
Starting point is 00:19:53 No. I wouldn't even know how to, no, I don't want to do this and don't know how to do this. And I'm not, it doesn't sound like that that potentially was anything I've missed out on here. 23 and me filed for bankruptcy proposing to try and sell all of its assets. For consumers who have provided genetic data to the company for testing purposes, here's what to know. what happened to 23 and me. The DNA testing company was a hit with consumers
Starting point is 00:20:24 who bought its DNA testing kits but it never managed to turn that success into a viable business model. Efforts to use DNA to develop pharmaceutical drugs ran into costly delays and an attempt to move to subscription-based services failed to draw enough interest.
Starting point is 00:20:45 What the hell kind of subscription-based services would they have for... I don't... Do you get the DNA of the month club? Here's another person you may be related to. Hey, I know some girls back in Louisiana. They had a DNA of the nightclub. What has the company said about its plans?
Starting point is 00:21:03 In an open letter to its customers, 23 and me said there will be no changes to how it stores, manages, and protects customer data. Here's a quote. any buyer of 23 and me will be required to comply with applicable law with respect to the treatment of customer data, the company said.
Starting point is 00:21:24 For the time being, 23 and me plans to continue operations and consumers can continue to order test kits which the company will process. In court documents, 23 and me said it plans to try and sell all of its assets. It already received early interest from certain potential buyers, including former chief executive and co-founder,
Starting point is 00:21:50 and Wachicki, or something like that. W-W-W-J-C-I-C-K-I. M-I-S-I-S-I-P-P-I. The company says those offers are not actionable. Well, but here is my, the question that I again posed to you, besides being able to tell, to finger you for a potential felony that has been committed in the past and or find out who you're related to somehow, then otherwise what good, can somebody take your genetic data and mix one of you up,
Starting point is 00:22:34 clone you, and just make one of you? Or what is the, it's not like it's your goddamn, your bank account information. Well, here's the section, what can happen to my genetic data in a bank, bankruptcy sale. It can be sold to the highest bidder. Honey, I'm sorry. The guy down the street bid more for my sperm, so I'm afraid I'm not going to be able to spare any for you.
Starting point is 00:22:59 It can be sold to the highest bidder, according to legal experts. The genetic data it accumulated for more than 15 million customers is considered one of 23 in Me's core business assets. I don't know what else they would have as an asset. They've already begun using customer data to develop drugs with the pharmaceutical company GSK. Wait about how to... Now, hold on here, Cowboy. This went from a genealogy website to we're developing drugs off of your chemical makeup?
Starting point is 00:23:33 Apparently so, and a new buyer could seek to make use of it for similar development possibilities. 23 and me has said it found more than 50 drug candidates so far two have made it to the early stage human trials later this year data could be released that will show whether one of them works oh when you said they found 52 have made it I'm like Jesus Christ they killed 48 of them
Starting point is 00:24:04 but okay so now they're using people's DNA that they get on a widespread basis to do the genealogy thing to try to find out more about how that human beings in general or react to these various drugs. I assume not administering them to the actual people and without their permission,
Starting point is 00:24:30 they know what's going on, but they're just accumulating the information from a lot of people. So now we're getting into some kind of business. Unfortunately, the only business, Unfortunately, the only business seems to be to sell the data. And apparently everyone opts into that when you sign up for whatever you do with them. You could opt out of it by just deleting all your data.
Starting point is 00:24:52 But that's crazy. That's scary. Thank God I never did this shit. Well, again, I'm not sure how they're really going to get you unless they can clone you off of this stuff. And then some night you'd come in and there you are sitting on the fucking couch playing with the kids. And you're like, what the fuck are you doing here? you're me and they're not anymore, you're you and I'm me and now I'm you. So fuck you.
Starting point is 00:25:16 See the way that works? Now's where we need the organ music. Not the fucking happy organ music. The dun-da-da-da-da-da. All right, this is going so well so far, but that was business news. Jim, let's move on to politics. Oh, good Lord. News this week.
Starting point is 00:25:41 I have an article here from W.R. R-A-L News. Woo! North Carolina lawmakers name check famous pro wrestler Rick Flair in New Bill. A bipartisan bill filed in the North Carolina
Starting point is 00:25:59 Senate Monday would earmark $500,000 to study the feasibility of creating a professional wrestling Hall of Fame museum in the state. They're calling it the Rick Flair Act. Flair
Starting point is 00:26:14 also known as Nature Boy has had a 50-year career in professional wrestling, including Bouts at WR-A-L when the station hosted live wrestling matches in the 70s. By the way, that's the station in Raleigh, W-R-A-L, imagine that, that they used to have the tapings at, yes. Flair claimed the world title multiple times over the years
Starting point is 00:26:37 as he moved between wrestling organizations. With his trademark shock of blonde hair, his big gold belt, and his signature, woo! Woo! You sounded like you hurt your ribs on that last. I was trying to figure how to end it in a sentence. It's hard when you use it in a sentence as opposed to just, woo!
Starting point is 00:27:00 But when you actually have to, like, go to another word right after, it's hard to figure out of a transition. And his signature, woo! Flair became a local celebrity in North Carolina. He lived in Charlotte for many years. Senate Bill 404, the Rick Flair Act, is titled Yeah, hold on here. This is what I was laughing about, because listen, this is why it's named the Rick Flair Act. An act to remember iconic combatants through fostering learning awareness and interest in wrestling.
Starting point is 00:27:37 R-A-S-S-S-L-I-N-J. They got all the way to the end, and they said we can't make it fucking fit unless we do that. It directs $500,000. His name should have been Flow! It directs $500,000 to the North Carolina Department of Natural and Cultural Resources to study the matter.
Starting point is 00:28:07 The agency would be expected to deliver a report to state lawmakers by the summer of 2026. God damn it. It's got a half a million dollars and a year and a half in a Republican state, by the way, for the government to figure out whether it be worth their effort and time and money to have a pro wrestling Hall of Fame Museum in North Carolina
Starting point is 00:28:35 before they even spend any money on actually having it. Well, Senator, the state senator, I believe, Jay Chaudry, if I'm saying that correctly, said the bill celebrates professional wrestling's cultural and historic ties to North Carolina. He said he grew up watching pro wrestling on WRAL in Raleigh. Our shared cultural heritage in this state is college basketball, NASCAR, and professional wrestling. Chaudry told WRL,
Starting point is 00:29:07 Professional wrestling still hasn't gotten the recognition it deserves. At least two other professional wrestling. Wrestling Museums are in operation in Iowa and New York. Well, that's behind the times, isn't it? Are they talking about the one that went from New York to Texas and then was flooded out and dismembered? Well, that's the different one in Albany, right? Is it Albany?
Starting point is 00:29:33 I think it's all. Yeah, yeah. The other one, yeah, the other one's still up there. But nevertheless, first of all, $500,000 and a year and a half. half to try to figure out whether or not this would be a good idea. If you sent one wrestling promoter. Woo, sounds like a plan. If, well, no, I'm not even, I'm not even knocking Flair with this.
Starting point is 00:30:09 This is out of his hands. He, you know, he just served as the anagram for this, but there was the Rick Flair North Carolina lottery ticket. when his picture was on the North Carolina lottery tickets they were selling this is years ago and all the boys the joke was every Rick Flair lottery ticket is guaranteed to win you $5,000 but they cost $10,000 each. Yeah, this isn't the first Rick Flair act in the news in the last few years. All right now, come on now.
Starting point is 00:30:42 My problem is you and the Egyptian. There comes the Egyptian. God damn it what I'm trying to say to you is if you sent one wrestling promoter around a state and a car for about two weeks he'd be able to figure out if there was a building that anybody could rent a space in in a place that anybody would go to
Starting point is 00:31:07 that would be interested in an exhibit or some type of museum about pro wrestling it's history in the Carolinas. And that would be probably in conjunction with some kind of existing business, whether it be a fucking, you know, sort of on the, for the people who know the Quaker Steak and Loub
Starting point is 00:31:37 where they're into the bike nights and they got motorcycles and motorsports cars hung upside down from the ceiling and whatever. Some sports bar, whatever, I don't know. know, but to have a museum devoted to all of professional wrestling, you'd really have to get, as they have, and also Charlotte's a bigger city than the other places are involved, but you'd have to get, you know, the local arena, I think it is, in New York is involved. and the Iowa, somehow the town council or local civic affairs are involved because of wrestling in the heartland and the Frank Gotch legend and blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:32:31 But I don't see any place in the Carolinas where unless it was a place you could also go and eat and drink or it's part of another attraction where a wrestling hall of fame, would be a money-making proposition. Crockett didn't win. Well, they haven't said anything about it being a for-profit. That hasn't been said. Well, but we've got to even to just not spend all the money that it would cost to run it on something like that.
Starting point is 00:33:04 I don't see. And, you know, again, because it would have to be a Carolina-centric wrestling Hall of Fame because most of the people there again, unless they moved from New York when they were small children, who's Bruno Samertino? When you get back into the territories, you know, you're going to have that where to maybe a large segment of today's audience or even people who didn't grow up in that part of the country,
Starting point is 00:33:37 they're like, who is this? But for the people in that part of the country, if you incorporate anybody else, they're like, well, who the fuck is that? So, you know, when Vern Gagne walked out in the Mid-South Coliseum on that first show that the Jared went with the AWA in 1978, people were like, what the fuck? It's like, man, I roll even, because he hadn't been there in 25 fucking years. So, but nevertheless.
Starting point is 00:34:08 It'd be tough because the other thing, too, like you said, it would be one thing if it was a Carolina Central Hall of Fame, but even that, you know, at a certain point, there, you know, with any of these states, if anyone says it's going to be a, you know, Montana Hall of Fame, a California Hall of Fame, if it's just about local wrestling, there's a point where it ends, and then you're just talking about wrestlers who were born here. Not anyone who had a career here, really. And that's the big difference. You kind of have to make it a national one.
Starting point is 00:34:34 And if you're going to start one up from scratch, what are you going to display? Forget about finding a building and where, which are major problems. But they got 500 grand, so, hey, drinks are on the house. house. But what are you going to fill it up with? Well, again, that's why because in the Carolinas, it's such a unique place. That's why the fan fest have done so well for so long. And, you know, their territory kind of morphed into one of the national companies.
Starting point is 00:35:07 It was still the, the Crockett brand, kind of slash NWA brand slash Southern wrestling kind of brand Rick Flair was still there. They had a lineage to that major, you know, territorial promotion that was stronger than anybody else's except for Venses. And even then, you know, now they've been out of business 23 years. So, God, no, 24 now. So there's a cutoff age at that. And then, you know, some of those guys, including Flair, who's still recognized to
Starting point is 00:35:45 they went on to the national TV. So in the Carolinas, you can get away with something like that. And again, I hate to say it. People always say I take up for it in Memphis, not even in the other towns. Nashville, I think the ship has sailed. Louisville, you know, maybe a curiosity of blurb in the paper every so often. Memphis still remembers its wrestling history. And he, you know, as we've seen now, it's getting.
Starting point is 00:36:15 you know, shorter Dallas, the Von Erick still mean a bit, but it's not hysteria like it used to be. So you're right. There's one audience that's kind of aging out from having large numbers. And then it becomes a national thing where there's no particular local attraction. That's the problem with having a Wrestling Hall of Fame museum who's in it, where it goes, you know, whether it's for profit or not, just like some of the wrestling promotions, whether it's for profit or not.
Starting point is 00:36:51 If there was a Carolinas one, think of how many people in what would need to be kind of the first class wouldn't be there because they were dead. No Olli Anderson, no Gene Anderson, no Johnny Weaver, no George Becker, no assassins. That's just no Sweet Hanson, no Rip Hawk, no Johnny Valentine.
Starting point is 00:37:11 Flair's there, no Blackjack, Mulligan. Ken Patera's there. There's a man with a bucket following him. There's a man with a bucket over there telling me it's time to beware. But yeah, and that's the thing is that if you said Weaver and Becker maybe 20 years ago to almost anybody except people in the Carolinas, they'd have been, yeah, what? And now, you know, that point has been reached, but all.
Starting point is 00:37:42 but the most dedicated of the wrestling fans in the Carolinas. Weaver and Becker. You got Steamboat, you got Flair, you got Greg Valentine. You know, no Wahoo. I mean, there's a cutoff. There's like a firm cutoff, and that's the thing. It's hard to do a state-by-state one, so everything's going to be a national one,
Starting point is 00:38:02 where you'll have, like, you know, going in this year, the Andersons, Bill Ward, and, you know, Earl Hebner, the Hebbner, Ebner's and some guy from NXT you've never heard of. And we're going to celebrate the women with one of those noted women wrestlers from the Carolinas. You know, that's what it'll become. Well, I'm glad to see you're so optimistic. Right?
Starting point is 00:38:28 I mean, that's what it always becomes, every one of these things that pops up, all of a sudden it becomes just, you know, let's give everyone in a war. Anyone who shows up, get it. It's like the Mike Lano thing. Mike Laine needs to just show up and hand out plaques. Now the Halls of Fame do it. Show up, get a plaque. Let us give you a point. like you know did you ever think it was funny that lano had such an obsession with plaque in both
Starting point is 00:38:48 of his interests that's funny that's a deep one uh but no but you see you're you're already you this horse is not going to leave the barn cowboy you're already talking about whether it's going to go or not and no they've spent 500 appropriated 500 thousand dollars that they will spend somehow to determine that no we can't fucking do this well let's see though because you know what they'll probably do. They'll probably experiment or experiment. There will be no experimentation. They'll probably see what is being done in Iowa. At the Thes, Tragos, Trigos, whatever the fuck it is, at the Thess Hall of Fame, they'll see what's going on in Albany. Remember, the one in Albany now is part of an arena.
Starting point is 00:39:29 Well, that's right. That's what I remembered earlier. It used to be the Albany Civic Center. And now I think it's the, is it the MVP arena? Did MVP buy a controlling interest in that? It may be the MVP arena. But my point is that kind of thing where maybe, you know, we'll see. It's the Carolina is maybe they could find a place to put it that's already there. Maybe they could find a sponsor. I'm not saying it'll be successful, but I'm saying I'm not giving up on the idea they're going to do this and not do something. You know what?
Starting point is 00:39:58 The first exit on I-95 from the North Carolina state line over into South Carolina right next to south of the border, they can put in the Wrestling Hall of Fame. and then the kids can go and ride the plastered donkeys and get to sombreros and eat to Mexican food that cost three times as much as anything else that you'll ever find and then go across the street and see the Wrestling Hall of Fame. You get a slaughter and carnival come out and march around with the fans.
Starting point is 00:40:33 Slaughter and Kernado. The word slaughter and on the border or south of the border fucking restaurant is probably goes hand in hand. I have an interview somewhere from like 83 with Slater and Orton in Mid-Atlantic and Bill Ward brings him in him. At that point he's an old man,
Starting point is 00:40:52 you know, he used to host a show. Before Bob Cottle, he was hosted the show. And he goes, come on in here right now, Dick Slater, Dory Funk Jr. And Slater starts doing his promo. And then at the very end, Orton, he's been standing in the back with his sunglasses on, his cowboy head on,
Starting point is 00:41:06 just his arms crossed. He goes, Bill Ward, do I look asleep? No, sir? Don't call me Dory Fung Jr. Well, we'll see if that video's on a loop at the Wrestling Hall of Fame under the Rick Flair Act. You know, was there ever any money put on if there was a Rick Flair act that it would be about a wrestling Hall of Fame? Well, you know, Jim, on the topic of Bruno San Martino, famously he wore a wig. several. Went through several phases. There was mop-top Bruno. There was Lou Al-Sindor
Starting point is 00:41:49 Bruno. There were various Bruno's. And then eventually he embraced his natural receding hair line, but it looked good. It actually looked good and classy on him. But obviously, based on his mustache later in life and the color of it, he may have wanted to keep the dark hair at least. imagine if Bruno San Martino had had simpler hair color to help him feel confident through his matches. It would have been simpler.
Starting point is 00:42:20 Back then in the days of your you talk about black hair and gray hair, they were seeing black and white, so there was only one or the other. You couldn't even go in between there. It was all more difficult back in those days. And you know, Bruno was not the only one who was challenged.
Starting point is 00:42:39 He wore a couple of those wig devices. One time he looked like he was wearing a couple of them at the same time. Wahoo McDaniel, I've mentioned this. Remember the can of black spray hair? There was a can of black spray that you could get at this. This is in the late 80s, early 90s. And Wahoo's hair was jet black, but he had a big old bald spot up on the crown of his head and he would comb his hair over and he would
Starting point is 00:43:12 theoretically you were supposed to spray this stuff on the hair that you may have and it would make that hair look thicker and darker but he would spray it on his bald spot like a can of spray paint and he goes out in the hot buildings and he's got a chin lock on the guy and he's sweating and he's dripping black paint down on his opponent's face because his head is running. See, it was primitive back in those days, Brian, is what I'm trying to say, but no longer. No longer. Because of our friends at simpler hair color.
Starting point is 00:43:47 Our friends at simpler hair color. This is an echo in here? What I thought I just said that. I'm reiterating. They are our friends. You're reinforcing it that they are indeed our friends. And I don't think anybody was thinking I was lying. I normally don't have friends.
Starting point is 00:44:03 So if I call someone, my friend, one would think that that would mean that most people would say, well, God, they ought to be halfway decent then if he says they're his friends because he don't like nobody. Well, friends don't let friends go prematurely gray. Well, and see, look at what happened to me. You saw the video of me because people have already been seeing me before I found out about this. Because again, simpler hair color has made it easier, simpler for you to color your hair. and I, being somewhat of a quasi-ce celebrity over the last number of years, people have seen me show up with a bit of grayness now. So it would be, I'm afraid, jarring if suddenly they saw me switch around.
Starting point is 00:44:48 But there's still hope for a lot of people out there who are just starting to get gray. Or people have been gray for a while, but let's face it, nobody knows who the fuck you are. out there you're a gray-headed person but you're not a celebrity you trudge back and forth to a menial existence a nagging wife and ungrateful children and there's one thing you think you think and also if I just looked good if I just looked young like I used to but the life is the shits they treat me like shit and I look like shit
Starting point is 00:45:19 well we can do some about one of those there are plenty of people with happy lives you just want to enjoy the color of their hair the way they want it to be. Let's focus on happiness. No, the way they wanted to be. That's the point is. But see, if nobody knows what you used to look like, you can all of a sudden look better,
Starting point is 00:45:37 and people will go, hey, look at that guy. He looks good because they probably never noticed you before, because you looked like shit. So the point is, take years off your life visually. You can look years younger. You can take years off your life with simpler hair color. Because you can go from being an old gray-headed,
Starting point is 00:46:00 broken down, grizzly Adams-looking, son of a bitch, well, one good shave and some simpler hair color later, and you look like Carrie Grant or Clark Gable or fucking Humphrey Go-Cart. Bogart. Bogart, that's right. You'll look like him, too. Because it's a, and I'm telling, I got the stuff here, Brian.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Can you hear it? Hold on, I'm setting this down, and I'm getting this other thing. They sent the whole box. It comes in a black box. So like the old plain brown wrapper, where this is a plain black box, people wouldn't know. They might think it was something innocuous,
Starting point is 00:46:36 like you're buying marital aids from, you know, overseas on the internet or something. They don't know whether your color and your hair or not. And the whole box comes with not only the pump. It's not a spray. It's a pump, but it's a can of the simpler hair color formula. It's a cream.
Starting point is 00:46:57 They give you the gloves. They give you a cleansing wipe and a couple of these nice brushes. Here, one of them's wrapped in plastic, to put it on with an instruction booklet on exactly what you. You just, you pump this stuff out, you put it on, you go by your guidebook. It looks like a Sherwin-Williams catalog. It's got the different shades that you could be if you're a shady type character. and then you just put it on and wait, and then you take it off,
Starting point is 00:47:30 and well, you don't take it off because it's on there. But you know what I'm saying. And that's it. It's not like when you go to the store and you buy this slop where it's like turning a bucket of paint over your head and you've got to repaint the entire bathroom just to change your hair color. What I'm thinking about doing, honestly, is the folks at simpler haircolor.com have made it so easy
Starting point is 00:47:54 I'm going to start with my chest hair and I'm going to see if anybody notices and then no and then think you hear me out no hear me out I will not then I'm going to grow a beard no and I'm going to color the beard so it's not gray it's it's brown and then when they look at me and they say
Starting point is 00:48:14 well his chest hair is brown and his beard is brown who's they and his head's gray but they're going to think that I'm coloring my head gray on purpose the public that is again first of all I don't know where you're going to be walking around the public and move your chest hair but no this is not going to happen second of all well when it gets long in the wintertime because I want to be warmer it sticks out through the fucking buttons in my shirt simpler simpler simpler this whole process is simpler hair yes let's focus on that word hair as in the top of your head what do you think I got on my chest scales let's talk about coloring the hair on top of your head in the simpler way with simpler hair color well right now folks you can say goodbye to grays the easy way
Starting point is 00:48:59 that doesn't hardly rhyme it should be say good bye to gray the easy way but it says say goodbye to gray the easy way but nevertheless you can say you can say finay to gray the easy way right now with simpler hair color what you do is you go to sim and they can tell you more about it than I can
Starting point is 00:49:22 and they got a book there's a book in here. It tells you exactly a simpleton could read this. It looks like a goddamn Dr. Seuss, cat and a hat bullshit. It's so easy. That's why they call it simpler. It's for all you simpletons out there. Go to simpler hair color.com slash JCE and use the code JCE for 10% off of your order. And they will send you a box of the things that they just told you about that they sent me. and you will see that it's easy to apply and clean and good for you. And also it tastes great. No.
Starting point is 00:49:59 This cream that you put through you, well, if you lick your fingers when you're trying to touch up your head. Don't. At least it's not offensive or anything. Well, it's offensive to say things that aren't right. And, of course, these are not to be ingested. They are to color your hair in a simpler fashion. Yes, but it's gentler ingredients. And I'll have you.
Starting point is 00:50:22 that here's what they don't give you in this can of simpler hair color. There's no ammonia, paribans, PPD, gluten. It's gluten-free. So that means that, folks, if you're on one of these gluten-free diets, you can go to town on Guzzling some of this stuff. There is no cruelty involved. No one's in drink that, let's not, no. It's gluten-free.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Well, but it's, I guess it won't, you won't absorb any glutinous, gluten from this formula. I assume that is... If you're gluten-free, you can taste it, but you just can't swallow it. Let's not evaluate it. Let's just mention it. Don't swallow any of this, folks. And also, it's cruelty-free. That means even if you still look like shit after you use this product,
Starting point is 00:51:10 because you're just an ugly person, they will not tell you that. That has nothing to do with cruelty-free, but let's not be cruel to the listeners. Well, some people are put off by comments like, that. And there's no animal, there's no animal testing. They are not so there, you know, because there was a story that one of these other competing companies was going through neighborhoods
Starting point is 00:51:31 changing the color of people's dogs and cats. Again, I can't speak to a simpler hair color. I can't speak on whatever you see on your news. But once again, let's take it all right back home, Jim. Right back home. For the listeners out there,
Starting point is 00:51:47 Mr. and Mrs. America, who want to look younger or want their hair to look the way they wanted to look. Simpler hair color is there for them. How can the listeners get it? They can go to simpler hair color.com slash JCE and use the code JCE for 10% off of their order. That's the promo code JCE at simplerhaircolor.com for 10% off.
Starting point is 00:52:12 And you can take it right home or you can actually, this is so easy, you can do this at like a public water fountain or something. and just take five minutes. Why don't we just do it at home? Just go to the mall and do it at the water fountain, and that way people, a lot of people will see how much better you look, and you might get a free date to go to Svaro
Starting point is 00:52:34 or Orange Julius or something. Once again, do it at home. Simpler hair color, one more time. Jim, what's that promo code? Well, you can birds do it, bees do it. Everybody in the trees do it. You can do it for 10% off with the promo code JCE.
Starting point is 00:52:52 Well, Jim, let's now move from the beauty section of the show to international affairs, and we're going to talk about the WWEs, seemingly never-ending tour of Europe. Real quick, though, make mention here in terms of international things. International wrestling historian Dave Cameron passed away as we are recordings. I just want to say something here to recognize that because, you know, I just posted photos of him, and he wasn't a young man. at George Hackenshitz House, in 1962. He is someone who, a lot of the stuff we know from Australia, New Zealand,
Starting point is 00:53:29 and quite frankly, around the world, is because of the research he did in the live, I mean, not even just research, things he experienced live. Yeah, and, of course, we had joked here on the program a while back that obviously Harley Cameron was the illegitimate daughter of Dave Cameron somehow and possibly Harley Race, but no, you saw that name popping up everywhere on anything related to international bulletins
Starting point is 00:53:57 from that part of the world in any of the wrestling magazines from the 60s on. And like you said, he's in a ton of the pictures in your files and actually visited George Hackenshmit at his home. And how old was Dave Cameron? Do you have that information in front of you? You know what? I can see what Steve Ogilvie posted.
Starting point is 00:54:19 But I don't know off the time. Well, he had to be, as you said, he wasn't like a toddler in the early 60s. So, you know, he had been doing this and studying the business and, you know, involved in trying to report on the business for a long time in all of his adult life. I'm not seeing an age anywhere. Maybe they don't have numbers that high. Maybe it was a cowboy Bob Ellis, I heard, just turned like 90s. right? That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:54:52 You never even hear anything about him. From what he looked like in the 70s also. And he hadn't been, has anybody seen a picture of what he looks like in the last 40 years? Not really. Maybe there's a reason for that, too. Talking about big stars who lost their hair early. Cowboy Bob Ellis. And, you know what? And also, he was for years such a big drawing baby face, but he always got juice. He was always had the dead man walk he'd do through the crowd when he was bleeding and then he'd make his comeback and they'd go crazy. But his head looked horrible by the
Starting point is 00:55:30 mid-70s when he was working for bruiser. And from what I was told, he had the, I don't know what they call it, the process where he had like his head sanded down with all the gig marks and the scars and everything. It had his forehead smoothed over and then got booked in Puerto Rico. And then got booked in Puerto Rico. It was like the last full-time run he had in his fucking career was in Puerto Rico after he got his gig marks, fucking derma brazed or whatever. So it's funny for those of us who have followed the wrestling history. But anyway, and so, yes, we're sorry that Dave Cameron has passed away, but we're glad Bob Ellis is still around. 91 years old, Dave Cameron. There you go. So he was, Bob is still in the lead. Mark Lewin, I guess on his
Starting point is 00:56:19 trail right behind him living a better life though mark lewin like is married like a princess isn't he on some island what are you what now isn't mark lewin married to a princess like that he's some island that he and living on a living on an island in the pacific rib you know now that you mention it i haven't heard this but now that you say it it's not that preposterous considering who's involved is this the only kind of business in the world where you can say, well, I can believe that. When you say, yeah, guys married a princess and living on a South Sea Island or whatever. I don't know where to Google this or look this up, but I swear to God I've heard it.
Starting point is 00:56:58 And it wasn't just with. Mark Lewin, Island Princess. Mark Lewand. Kevin Sullivan kept up with, remember we were talking about international tours on one of the recent programs, maybe the last one we did, and that, you know, when Nigeria had American tours and nobody ever knew about and things like that. Mark Lewin was on a lot of that stuff because Kevin
Starting point is 00:57:24 Sullivan was, as I said, kept up with Steve Ricard, the promoter over in New Zealand, they found all kinds of those things. The Pacific Rem, brother. Again, I'm trying to get more information, but apparently he's married to a woman named Princess Linda, who's a Singaporean princess.
Starting point is 00:57:41 Oh, wait a minute now. Do they have princesses, princesses eye? What is the princesses or princesses? What's the plural? Do they have those in Singapore? I don't know. I don't know too much about the Singapore. Is she a self-proclaimed princess of Singapore?
Starting point is 00:57:56 Because it is the wrestling business. I don't think she was in the business, but I don't know. We'll see what we hear from the historians out there. Unfortunately, Dave Cameron. Where's Dave going to be when we need him on this breaking story? From the Pacific Islands, that's right. Yes. God damn, no wonder we can't find out.
Starting point is 00:58:17 without Dave we're going to be in the dark about all this. But there it is. We loved you, Dave. There you are. But like you said, a lot of this stuff that came out of that part of the world got out because of Dave Cameron. I have tons of his correspondence in the wrestling news files. And, you know, specifically the Flair Harley Race stuff in 84, the title changes,
Starting point is 00:58:38 you know, I got the programs here because of him. He sent them out to people, the program, the poster, everything. So he was on that stuff and treated it very, very seriously. Yeah, and nobody in this country may have known or might not have found out at least very as quickly, if not for Dave, the Stoge, Cameron. No, you see, now you can't end.
Starting point is 00:58:59 This is like one of our spots. You can't stop going out of the real scene. He was a great guy, we loved him, but yeah, he stoozed off flared and raced. If Harley had ever got a hold of him. No, he was a wonderful guy and upholding the honor of the industry. Well, Jim, let's move across the Atlas.
Starting point is 00:59:17 and let's go to Europe where the WWE, as we said before, their endless tour of Europe. And this time, they had Smackdown, and I know you watched it, and I'm sure I did, I just don't remember. Where were they, and what was it? You know, going to Europe,
Starting point is 00:59:35 when I was a teenager, one of my very early girlfriends used that as a synonym for throwing up. Oh, I got so sick, and I went to Europe because of the noise. and I'm not trying to insult our European fans. It just tickled me at the moment, but they were in Bologna, Italy,
Starting point is 00:59:59 baloney Italy. And this time it was a big crowd, but it was a come down on Monday when they just got back in the primary English-speaking world because over in Scotland, they've had a show where, two. So they're not quite as just overall thrilled to be there, but Italy, they had the Italian flags. They were doing the fucking singing and the cheering and the chanting in the whole nine
Starting point is 01:00:30 yards. What language do they speak over there in Italy? Italian. Oh, that's convenient. No, I asked you that the other day about Belgium. I said, what do they speak? They're Belgium-ish. And then people got mad. They were like, well, the United States isn't the only country? country and the world, you know. But at least I know how to speak their language mostly. Anyway, the point is, Brian. What is that point?
Starting point is 01:00:56 They're still over there. They're not coming back. Over there. Over there. Say a prayer to beware, because the Yanks are coming. Will they not let our boys come back, Brian? You think they're getting tired of it by now? They're not doing the Will Osprey
Starting point is 01:01:16 grind gimmick where they fly back and forth in between TVs, right? They're fucking there. They've been there for a couple weeks. They're going to be there for more. They're going to London. Yeah, they had something on the screen that had the upcoming schedule and it was like, we're going to be here on Monday and then we're going to be here Tuesday and here Thursday and here third.
Starting point is 01:01:33 It was like all these different days and one of them was a taping. So the rest were all just house shows, very, very lucrative house shows. But they don't work that schedule here. They go over there and they're working every single night. Yes, suddenly they went from, this ain't bad, we go out on the weekends, whatever. Now they're in foreign countries every day for like fucking four weeks. But nevertheless, I don't know how, how do you, can you take that much clean underwear? Some of these people are going commando.
Starting point is 01:02:09 Or buying new underwear. Well, you can't, no, the sizes are different over in the other countries. in the foreign lands. You can't, you don't know what you're getting. Say there couldn't, there might not be room for the boys. You'd sterilize yourself or something. Or something.
Starting point is 01:02:28 Anyway, how much longer is this show three hours? I'm talking about SmackDown now. I wasn't sure, actually. I don't know, but I had the same thought. It's, it's not even that it's all talk and people think, oh, you mean interviews. It's that it's all. talk the interviews are fine with the stars the matches as we've joked get in the way but now it's
Starting point is 01:02:53 it's talking about the talking that's coming up after this talking and it's spots and it's commercials and we're selling you this game and we're pitching you that product and oh by the way here's aerial shots of everywhere we're going to be for the next six months at all these towns it's a travel log they ought to be on the travel channel in Knoxville to get a fucking aerial shot of Knoxville for the night of legends open I think we had to
Starting point is 01:03:24 Fox 43 didn't even have a news show at that point we had to go to the Chamber of Commerce or some shit they don't even just show now that building they're in sometimes they show they've caught me a few times where they begin the show like wow look at that building and they're like Las Vegas I'm like oh shit they're in Vegas we're going to be there in a month Like, wait, why are they starting the show showing that?
Starting point is 01:03:45 Then they go to the real building they're in. And didn't look at the country. We're going to be in next month. And here's a pyramid for you. And somebody's paying them to show it. Here, please show my pyramid on TV. Sure. And here's a pyramid.
Starting point is 01:03:58 And there's half million dollars. It's just, but it takes for, and but then you've got to encounter the fucking entrances with the singing and the cheering and the chanting and the stalling and the milking. and the milking and the stalling and the slowly I turned step by step
Starting point is 01:04:18 inch by inch I creeped up on the microphone you know and then it's really crazy when you talk about some of the advertising and you know Riyadh obviously was advertised on the mat and that's a commercial and just the things they do in every country they go to and even Tony with All In and Texas so much of wrestling right now is based around tourism
Starting point is 01:04:40 It's just based around local tourism. Boy, and they've made world tourists of the boys now. They can't, I bet somebody just wants to run Baton Rouge every once in a while. But anyway, on Smackdown, we'll get to the main part of it because they were doing a wonderful show for the people in Bologna, Italy, where they don't ever get to see these people in person, but, and they were so happy. These people are having the time of their life, but I'm like, goddamn, at some point, let them get to the fucking point.
Starting point is 01:05:17 We know you can sing the songs. I don't know what some of the chants were because they were as in Italian. And all the people over there know the tunes, Brian. It's from the soccer, I understand. They know that they know the tunes. They know the keys of the chant, the singing, the chant singing, the sing-chanting.
Starting point is 01:05:39 how would you well nevertheless they had a orton and owens do a promo it was like a personal appearance in tights orton just has to go out the fans are lit he doesn't even have to speak owens comes out and gives the bullshit heel apology i was wrong for attacking you cody deserved it sammy deserved it but you didn't deserve it so we should forgive each other and go for the tag team title at WrestleMania. So that Orton could say, well, I should kick your ass. So take your apology and shove it up your ass. And now you're just bitch Owens bitch instead of fight Owens fight.
Starting point is 01:06:21 And he does a promo at Owens and then the end. And people loved it. And then they had a tag team match with Priest and Jimmy Uso against Nakamura and Drew McIntyre and Drew, and Drew again is, I think, top five in the business right now. I just love everything he does. I didn't love this, but he was in it.
Starting point is 01:06:50 I love him. But, you know, Priest and Jimmy won, and then Drew got on priest and got some heat on him. People loved it. It's the standard stuff. The point I'm making is that they didn't have to do anything earth-shaking for this crowd and they're getting paid a fee for the television
Starting point is 01:07:14 and it's done well enough that they can just fill the time up and they're hot enough that the viewers aren't going to riot so this is just a basic old show, right? Not enough spikes. Too many excited fans, you got to tone that down. You got to tell them that long-term buggy. Brown Strongman and Jacob Fatu, we saw that again. And they decued him.
Starting point is 01:07:49 There's tension now and there's problems between Solo and Jacob. And I love that story. We'll see something there. And Tommy Tonga, poor thing, is caught in the middle. But Brown is not very good. and yeah but uh we had piper and zelina we had live did you watch you i know you don't remember that the show actually aired but live morgan versus jade cargill oh i did watch this because i'm a big fan of live morgan and i'm intrigued by jade to this day well were you i was intrigued as you
Starting point is 01:08:30 were you intrigued as to see, okay, what's she looking like these days? Has there been a noticeable improvement? And I don't know whether I can still tell because they set it up step by step, inch by inch, she can be led, she can be hidden. They set it up where she did basic stuff, Liv gravitated around Jade's orbit.
Starting point is 01:09:06 And it wasn't until the end, she made a simple comeback and did two nip-ups. I think the nip-up is her go-to thing like Jacob Fatu. I'll just headbutt somebody if I don't have anything else to do. But she kind of got sidetracked. It appeared for a second and or lost. But then Liv was. selling and Naomi appeared and distracted Jade so that Liv could go for her finish
Starting point is 01:09:36 but Jade caught her and gave her a backbreaker and then Naomi hit Jade with the belt which of course the referee didn't see and Liv hit her finish one two three and then they beat her up some more that's the first time Jade's been pinned in WWA and and that's the thing is I couldn't tell whether she's better or whether she's rusty
Starting point is 01:10:03 or what they did a good job of hiding it. But at the same time, I still don't know because she still doesn't seem like she's comfortable in between doing the things that they have worked out when they worked out their floor routine. So we'll see. I've become a really big Liv Morgan fan. She does all the little things I like for a wrestler to do.
Starting point is 01:10:29 and I know she's smaller so sometimes she's completely dismiss her. As a wrestler, will you stop it, Mr. Pervert? We could clip that she does all the little things I like. Well. No, she's grown on me too. She's attached herself to me. She's really good. There was a thing the other day.
Starting point is 01:10:49 Was it raw? Well, she was in the middle of a beat. Yeah, it was raw. She was in the middle of a beat down and the music starts playing. Usually the heels nowadays stop what they're doing to wait for the person. as to come and enter. She looked up for a second and then she kept throwing her punches.
Starting point is 01:11:03 We're right back to get more punches in. Well, yeah, there's, you know, I've got some room. And again, I'm not saying that I'm particularly, oh, look at the artistry of her matches, but as a personality, as a character, as the kid, as a gimmick, as what she's doing with it
Starting point is 01:11:23 and how she's integrated with the story with her and Dominic and Ria and the whole nine, yeah, I like, what's going, she's a personality. I will admit to that. Is there an issue with the fact that even if you look past WWE, you look to AEW, whatever
Starting point is 01:11:39 it is now, four years of Jade Cargill, maybe it's a little less, but you don't really see much improvement. Not that they're like, you don't see regression, but you don't see, doesn't seem like there's any growth. Well, that's the thing I was looking for
Starting point is 01:11:55 in that I didn't expect any growth in AEW because not only was there no place. She said, oh, my God, the difference in training is insane, right? But now that she's been there, and I know she's been off, but what's she been doing is she working out to get back to that point? Is she training in developmental and secret in a dark room? You know, let's start seeming more natural in your environment than what? what you seem to feel like or seem like.
Starting point is 01:12:31 But nevertheless, moving on, are the street prophets again baby faces? Didn't they just switch heel? We don't really care. And I know people are going to say, well, if you'd watch, you'd know. Well, I don't care enough to watch,
Starting point is 01:12:50 but I'm just confused now. I'll get over it, whether I find out or not. But didn't they just- How could you say you'd? do reviews if you don't watch it. You're a hypocrite. Because I'm not saying I'm doing a review of the street profits against the lucha heels.
Starting point is 01:13:09 And purely deadly came out there too and did they wonder why the tag team division is bleh. But the street profits are the new tag team champions and according to the fans, you deserve it.
Starting point is 01:13:27 But then finally we got to okay, this is a three-hour show, folks. That's what I'm saying. We got to the meat of the matter, the parts of people were waiting for because we wanted to find out what was going on with Roman Raines and CM Punk and our friend Seth Franklin Rollins.
Starting point is 01:13:50 And the tease was, at first, they go to the back, the parking lot or the dock or whatever, and a black limousine pulls up. And it's like a, a black soccer van limousine. I guess they've got over there that the door doesn't open like a SUV. It's a slide open like the side of a van, right? You know what I'm talking about, Brian.
Starting point is 01:14:14 Yeah. So when the door slides open, you see a couple of hands reach out and grab the frame to pull themselves out. And suddenly out emerges Paul Heyman in a black suit. So it looked like a minivan given birth to a bowling. ball. And he struggled. He struggled out of the thing and then straightened himself as best he could. And he's walking in. That's the tease for the main event. Did you see that scene?
Starting point is 01:14:47 Am I lying with what I'm saying, that scene? I saw the scene, yes. It was one of our Heyman's greatest roles. Playing the bowling ball. Poling ball. he cleaned the placenta off himself from his mother minivan. So they go to the the segment here, there comes Roman and Paul out to the ring and there's the OTC, OTC chance,
Starting point is 01:15:14 and some Italian chance and more OTC. And, you know, and Romanese, he's starting out as a beneficent tribal chief, a benevolent tribal chief, he's in your OTC loves you. So I'm going to tell you what's on my mind. And his promo is he still, he believes he's in the right. At the Royal Rumble, C.M. Punk screwed me. So last week I screwed C.M. Punk. And at the Royal Rumble, Seth Rollins tried to kill me, so I tried to kill Seth Rallens.
Starting point is 01:15:54 and I'm going to be here for the next 15 or 20 minutes if anybody wants to come out here and confront me, just let me know. And son of a bitch, wouldn't you know who won the pony? Immediately Seth Rollins has been, this is, they are so over and this is working with all these people. They don't even have to try.
Starting point is 01:16:16 Here, basically, here's what I did, here's why I did it. And if anybody has a problem, when we come on out of here. Okay, here we go. and Seth comes out and there's the whole building is singing at the top of their lungs well I see and they can't all sing like me so you can imagine what theirs sounds like and Seth gets in the ring and there's more singing
Starting point is 01:16:44 and Seth I apologize for the audio ladies and gentlemen well you know now that I've got mine fixed up you ought to get Hodgkes get him a plane ticket he'll fly up there and fix yours too so Seth says Roman you you messed up here you should have let me finish CM Punk you should let me get rid of him once and for all but it's always been about you and me
Starting point is 01:17:12 says Seth and Roman that is the pronouns pal and it's time that we added another chapter and suddenly hey Like Mussolini in Italy There he comes, they're singing his song Did you do a record scratch?
Starting point is 01:17:37 Yes. And here comes punk, another chance, see him punk, I wish they'd have got Howie the mailroom guy on TV back in the day so we could see if we get a howie the mailroom guy howie the mailroom guy but no he's over and he gets in a ring and he tells both of them neither one of you have ever beaten me by yourself without the other one helping you and i didn't screw roman reins i didn't screw you but he reminds everybody that paul haman owes him a favor and then he says But Paul, I want to thank you
Starting point is 01:18:28 for delivering the tribal chief on a silver platter. And right as Roman looks around at Paul like you did, what? Punk jumps off the turnbuckles and nails Roman with the microphone from behind.
Starting point is 01:18:43 He gets on him. And then Seth is confused for a second and then he jumps on punk. And he gets on punk. And then Roman says, wait a god dang doll. a doll darn minute. And he grabbed somebody
Starting point is 01:19:00 and then my DVR froze, but I understand from reading about it that for the next 15 seconds or so, they all just gotten an altercation with each other. And that's obviously headed toward WrestleMania.
Starting point is 01:19:17 But that was three hours of Smackdown. I mean, at least AEW is impaling people for us and giving us fucking little Easter eggs of find the production error and see where the fake wall is, shit like that. But SmackDown's just giving us a travel log on fucking, where's next?
Starting point is 01:19:42 Huckham Carey, New Mexico. You know, it's interesting too with the Rollins, Punk, Roman stuff. All three guys have legitimate stories with the other ones. Rollins and Roman, of course, goes way back, but they all came in to help punk. So that ties into it. Doing it as a three way.
Starting point is 01:19:59 Is that to you better than over time doing each one of the three independently? Well, they're going to, or they should, do each of those anyway. But for WrestleMania and because everybody expects it now and it's got to be something extra and you got to, you know, I think that's why they're doing a three-way, but you can't tell me that punk versus Roman or Roman versus Seth or is not a pay-per-view match at some point or another that they need to do. Well, they don't need to do anything.
Starting point is 01:20:35 But boy, howdy, in any other era, if you had a match that attractive, you would do everything you could to do it. So I think they got to do them eventually, but WrestleMania is upon us. So they're dropping the cow, as Dan Aykroyd would say. All right. Well, on the topic of, that was SmackDown, by the way. but... Yeah, it was.
Starting point is 01:21:00 On the topic of... Dan Aykroyd. I'm trying to think of something that would tie in the fucking Dan Aykroyd. Of course, he was the child of the Miss Daisy character
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Starting point is 01:21:27 is here as we close out another Smackdown on foreign waters. There's a lot of stress. You know, these guys are working a full-time tour. Oh, just overworked. Perhaps you want to come home after this tour and sit down with your family or maybe by yourself. Maybe leave the kids away from this. Have a nice glass of wine.
Starting point is 01:21:49 Jim, help me out because this is my show. Oh, for God's sake. Well, I'll tell you, you've made me want to have a drink. No, you know, there's some people out there, Brian. Perhaps you're amongst them. You may not know for sure. But they're still shopping for wine like it's 1990. Back in the old days when you had to go to the liquor stewer.
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Starting point is 01:27:43 I'll have more about that. Does that include a seven-foot giant to sit on your lap? Well, more about that, once again, Nakedwines.com slash JCE, Jim. As we move on, before we get to Raw, let's have a little break in the action. Let me grab this back here. I have a book in my hand. Well, don't threaten me.
Starting point is 01:28:08 The book. Son of a bitch. I've got a shoe over here and I'm in reach of a bottle. The book, the 2002 publication, Hollywood Hulk Hogan with Michael Jan Friedman. Well, it's written Hollywood Hulk Hogan buy Hollywood Hulk Hogan with Jan Michael Friedman. But I had the chapter here dealing with Memphis, and I wanted to read it to you get your interpretation of it. Okay, this ought to be interesting. He talks about Pensacola. I did like this part here.
Starting point is 01:28:37 I just walked into the first dressing room I saw, and it turned out to be the bad guy's dressing room. This guy, David Schultz, who wrestled as Dr. D., saw me in there and yelled, who the hell are you? What are you doing here? K-fabe, get the mark the fuck out of here! So before we go forward, Jim, if a wrestler yells K-fabe, get the mark out of here, is that breaking K-Fade?
Starting point is 01:29:09 Well, first of all, like many of the Hogan stories, there is some grain of truth in this, much like there's a, grain of sand on the beach. Obviously, if Hogan had made it that, and we know that Hogan trained first in Florida and worked under a mask,
Starting point is 01:29:31 what was the name that he, when he first got to ring in Florida, Super Destroyer, would not like the famous ones, but just he was underneath. And then, you know, the two territories he worked at first were the Memphis Territory and the Mobile or Pensacola territory for the Fullers. And at that point, he was smart enough to the business
Starting point is 01:29:58 to know that the baby face shouldn't go into heel locker room. But he also, since he, probably what happened is that he got to this building, he didn't know where the fuck he was. He'd never been in goddamn Alabama before. He's just got there and he blunders into the heel locker room, by mistake. And Schultz, obviously,
Starting point is 01:30:21 has to know who he is because look at the size of him, you couldn't mistake him for anybody else, probably cussed him like a red-headed stepchild for being in the wrong fucking locker room. Get the fuck out of here, you fucking idiot. K-fabe. You would say that to one of the boys
Starting point is 01:30:37 who was obviously doing something contrary to that in public. K-fabe, idiot. So I can see that happening, but I don't think it was, he was so clueless at that point. He just blundered in the wrong door. He wanted to beat my ass.
Starting point is 01:30:54 And there were a bunch of other wrestlers there. Roy Wayne Ferris, the honky talk man, and some others who could have backed him up. He makes Wayne sound like a fucking serial killer with people in his goddamn crawl space when he reads out his real legal name. And then there was Roy Wayne Ferris
Starting point is 01:31:15 who was convicted of, But I was so big they didn't really jump. So I just walked across the arena floor to the good guys dressing room and met all the guys I was supposed to be with. But that was my introduction to Dr. D. Pretty soon, we would raise some hell together and become good friends, and we would stay that way for a long time.
Starting point is 01:31:37 And after that, he would end up hating my guts and calling me a steroid abuser. But at the time, all I knew about him was that he had given me a hard time for walking in to the wrong dressing room. But let's get to the Memphis part here. This is the page 43 of the Hulk Hogan Autobiography.
Starting point is 01:31:58 I wasn't exclusive to Louis Talette, so I wrestled for a couple of other outfits in between runs in the Pensacola, Alabama Territory. One of them was the partnership of Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett, which operated out of Memphis, Tennessee. Jerry Lawler was like a god in Memphis. at times he was as popular as Elvis
Starting point is 01:32:20 he even ran for mayor as a joke he didn't lift a finger to promote it wasn't a fucking joke he didn't lift a finger to promote his campaign and he came in third in a 15 candidate race oh he he he gave quite a few people a finger trying to that one trying to win it was in Tennessee that I became known as Terry the Hulk Boulder and won my first heavyweight championship belt
Starting point is 01:32:45 I wasn't Hulk Hogan quite yet, but I was getting there. It was also in Tennessee that I started using a boot to the face and a leg drop as a finish. Nobody else was using a leg drop at the time, so it sent me a little apart from the other guys. Okay, hold on one second.
Starting point is 01:33:06 People in this territory had been watching Plowboy Fraser dropped the fucking leg for goddamn 15 years at that point. Here's the thing. thing Hogan did start, I don't, I don't remember the boot to the face yet. It definitely didn't always preface the leg drop, but when he started doing the leg drop here, I can testify. It was the most air he ever got because the Memphis rings had some give to them because it was a bumping territory and he could get a little spring and he would get air and it looked fucking good for a guy
Starting point is 01:33:45 that size. That was one of his most accomplished moves. But when he got to the rings at Vern and then Vince had, that air significantly fucking declined. One night in Memphis, I saw Jerry Lawler put a pile driver on a comedian named Andy Kaufman.
Starting point is 01:34:06 Who had gotten involved in wrestling. Then Waller and Andy Kaufman showed up on the David Letterman show. Lawler slap Kaufman. and Kaufman threw coffee in Lawler's face, and all of a sudden, Andy Kaufman began showing up on wrestling cards on a constant basis. I didn't... Hold on here one second.
Starting point is 01:34:27 By the way, The Hulk worked Memphis in 1979 and Lawler-Powledrove Kaufman on May 5th, 1982. Just for perspective. Now, he did come in one time as a heel managed by Jimmy Hart against Lawler? Was that 81? February 1981. I was there and I'm in the fucking at ringside in the video, taking pictures. Okay, well he puts himself here in Memphis when this happened. I don't understand why they let a guy like Andy Kaufman get into the ring to wrestle,
Starting point is 01:35:04 especially after I had worked so hard to pay my dues. But I was young and green in those days. I thought wrestling was about having a good match. Getting a six pack of beer? and picking up a girl. It didn't occur to me that we were trying to draw money. I remember a time at the old Chicago... Now, actually, during the period of time
Starting point is 01:35:28 that Hoke was in Memphis in that first run, I could agree with that. It didn't appear that he knew that the object was to draw money. I remember a time in the old Chicago amphitheater when I was working for Jerry Lawler and Jerry Jarrett, when I happened
Starting point is 01:35:45 to walk in on a meeting in the dressing room. Lawler was there, Jarrett was there, and Andy Kaufman was there. Oh, good Lord. It was like walking into a Pentagon meeting. I knew I needed to back up. I knew I needed to back right up.
Starting point is 01:36:02 Because all three of these personalities are so intimidating. Because I wasn't welcome. Later on, I passed Andy Kaufman in the hallway. I didn't know him, but I didn't think it would hurt to be friendly. so I said hello to him. Why would he think that, why would that even pass some kind of editing process
Starting point is 01:36:23 if this is indeed a book instead of like Mario Galinto's self-published thing that his fucking wife wrote? Well, let me stop here and ask you. So when, because you were still around, when Lawler and Jarrett ran all those shows at the Chicago Amphitheater, was there typically a room
Starting point is 01:36:39 that they held their secret meetings with Andy Kaufman in? No. Well, and here's the thing Jarrett and Lawler never ran the Chicago International Amphitheater. Lawler has worked there. It was long past a point where Hogan would have worked for Vern and been
Starting point is 01:36:56 at the Chicago Amphitheater where Lawler and Jared co-promoted superclash. That was in 1987. Hogan had other fish to fry at that point. Andy Kaufman died in 1983. Hogan, no, none of these people coexisted on a wrestling show. in Chicago or anywhere else.
Starting point is 01:37:20 Coffman didn't die in 1983. I'm sorry, it was 84, right? Beginning of 84, I believe, yeah. But the point is, no, Hulk Hogan. I'm sure Andy Kaufman and Hulk Hogan had met at some point. And we know Lawler and Kaufman had met. We know Lawler and Hulk have met, but they weren't all three in the same place,
Starting point is 01:37:40 the same fucking time ever, especially with Jerry Jared added to the mix. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you. The Jerry Jared, to the best of your memory of a fly-up for one of the Chicago shows in 83? Maybe at Superclash, maybe, thinking, well, if I'm here,
Starting point is 01:37:54 Vernal have to give me some money, and he didn't. But, no, this is all, and again, the timeline don't worry. The Hulk came into Tennessee. And, God damn it, was it? Yes, it was early 79, they did the video that's out there on YouTube, but you've seen it with Michael St. John doing the
Starting point is 01:38:17 voiceover and they shot him from feet to head right on the with the lighting of the bodybuilding. It's the Hulk. And he worked as Lawler's tag team partner for a few weeks. I think it's Ron Bass and Pete Austin that that he worked with with him and his brother Eddie Boulder, who came at, but point, Terry Boulder was here for a few weeks. He did a team thing with Lawler against a Mongolian stomper and somebody. And then he was out for several weeks, which I believe was they sent him to Mobile, one of the runs there.
Starting point is 01:38:59 And then he came back. And that was, he introduced his brother. And that was the summer of 79, where it was Terry and Eddie Boulder, who later would become Dizzy Hogan, Ed Leslie, Bruton. beefcake. And they had a program with Ron Bass and Pete Austin, who my old partner, Danny Davis, was managing, Sergeant Danny Davis. And they tried to push Hulk because of his look at his size.
Starting point is 01:39:28 And putting him in a main event as tag team partners with Lawler for a couple weeks against the stomper, et cetera, that was fine. But then that night in Memphis, and that was the WFIA convention, they tried to put Terry and Eddie Boulder against Ron Bass and Pete Austin in the main event after they'd seen Jerry Lawler and Bill Dundee versus Michael Hayes and Terry Gordy, the Freebirds, and Jackie and Roughhouse Fargo against Wayne Ferris and Larry Latham, the blonde bombers, and Danny Davis in a three-on-two handicap match where they tore the whole building up. and that was what the people,
Starting point is 01:40:10 there was like eight or nine thousand people or whatever. That was what they came to see. And then here goes the main event with the Hogan brothers out there, and it was crickets. They were so green. The people were used to action and matches of people to talk, and they know what the fuck, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's all this wild shit.
Starting point is 01:40:33 And then these green muscle guys, it didn't translate. And they had a stinking. for maybe another three months or whatever, and then, and poof, they were gone. And Hogan couldn't talk yet either. It was, he was struggling because you've, again, on YouTube, I was in the TV studio when one of those interviews that's on YouTube was cut and he, he was saying daddy, but he was like, and I'm going to tell you this, daddy. and brother and he was trying he knew what he wanted to do but it wasn't coming out yet
Starting point is 01:41:11 because he did his first year in the business he but they did not get over because of the competition on the roster from all these other guys that knew exactly what fans wanted to see and they were just green and they couldn't fucking talk let me finish his thoughts on Andy Kaufman of course he passed him in the hallway his eyes open in real wide and he looked at me like he was scared to death. Like he thought I was going to kill him on the spot. He was out of his element, I guess. And he didn't know what to expect.
Starting point is 01:41:45 That was actually Andy Kaufman's normal facial expression. I never really liked his act. That poo-poo-poo-pipy stuff he dialed up, the weird alien mouse voice. It was out there. It never did anything for me. is Hogan the only person in the world that didn't love Andy fucking Kaufman?
Starting point is 01:42:08 If you ask me, it was just boring. That poo-poo-poo-pee stuff he died. The alien mouse voice, I mean, he played Mighty Mouse. That was one of his skits. Well, you can tell that apparently Hogan has spent a lot of time boning up on pop culture. You ought to listen to this show. See, we had the George M. Cohan reference earlier.
Starting point is 01:42:31 But now we're going to do the seven little foys in a minute. Well, that's, again, from the Hulk Hogan book. Oh, the poo-poo-poo-pipy. Some of the chapters here, a rock and a hard place. The giant K-fabe, steroids, money, music, money, and Matsuda. So obviously there's maybe more to mine here in the future. The Deodorant King. When I was wrestling in New York, I met a guy named Mike Sharp, who was a second-generation wrestler, and the biggest hygiene freak I had ever met Mike Sharp was usually a preliminary wrestler so he would often be in the first match of the evening
Starting point is 01:43:09 but there were times where he would get locked in the building after everyone went home because he was still in the shower washing off. Okay, I hate to say it but this is a spot where Hulk Hogan is not telling a lie. Usually... Mike Sharp, well, go ahead, go ahead. Usually a guy would put a right guard deodorant stick
Starting point is 01:43:31 under his armpit and go one, two, three, four, five done. Mike Sharp would carry on a 20-minute conversation and swab his arm with the stick the whole time. He would use up the whole damn stick and then he would start on the other armpit.
Starting point is 01:43:47 In fact, if you looked in his bag, he had 30 or 40 deodorant sticks sitting in there. Then, after he was all done using the sticks, he would go back and take another shower. And he would do the stuff. same thing over and over again until they kicked him out of the building and went on every night. The guy was a total wacko for hygiene.
Starting point is 01:44:12 By the way, that's an entire chapter. That's chapter 12 of the odorant king. And it degenerated into just a bit of exaggeration, but not that much. It was, Mike Sharp was, and I only peripherally knew him because he was still working when I first started with the WWF, he was still working, especially like the TVs and Norwich. Northeast, whatever. But he was noted in the industry. It wasn't just with the, he,
Starting point is 01:44:42 I guess had some kind of OCD, but he was a physical fitness guy too. He was very, you know, serious with that. And he would get to the building like hours before everybody did. So he could go out and run the bleachers. You just see him running up and down the stairs in the building, up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down. And then he'd take a shower.
Starting point is 01:45:06 And then, you know, he might then have to go to the meeting with the finish or what he was going to do, talk to his opponent or whatever. Okay. And then if he had time before the doors opened, he'd go run some stay. And then he'd take a shower. And then after his match, he had his after match routine, and it was an involved thing. And on at least one occasion,
Starting point is 01:45:31 which gave rise to, oh, it used to happen all the time, but it may have happened more than once. His after-match shower and Barry Maddie wasn't on last. He was on in the middle of the show, but I think he did some more fucking calisthenics after his match in a locker room. And then he would take a shower, and one night the shower went so long that everybody,
Starting point is 01:45:53 everybody left and they closed the building, locked him in the fucking building. Because nobody knew he was still. back there in the shower in the bowels of the building. And that was kind of the thing that he was known for. And very conscientious about his work. I mean, you know, but he, there, I don't know if Mike Sharp is still around and I've certainly not trying to.
Starting point is 01:46:21 He passed a few years back. All right. Well, and I'm not trying to, I wasn't trying to start a feud with him or anything, but there had to be something going on, but he was not a crazy person. he was a well-meaning, earnest, kind of straight type of person that I had experience with. Like, oh, yes, yes, no, no, yeah, whatever the fuck. Not like some crazy person, but he was... Here's my impression of Mike Sharp walking down the hallway after realizing he's locked in the building.
Starting point is 01:46:47 He used to just growl in his matches. That's what made him stand out. I loved it. I saw him doing at the Manhattan Center. He got the whole building going. He looks a lot like, I guess maybe even some of the fans who, who saw him on WWF TV, don't know his father and his uncle,
Starting point is 01:47:12 the Sharp brothers, Mike and Ben Sharp, Mike Sharp, Sr., they were a giant, big name attraction tag team in the 1950s, and they were on that first tour in Japan with Ricky Dozan were the Sharp brothers in Japan, because they were like six,
Starting point is 01:47:31 five or six apiece and 260 pounds or whatever. That was giant. for the time, so they were the first major Americans' names wrestling in Japan, and they were a noted tag team. And he looked a lot like it, but he had that old-fashioned 50s way of body language, way of carried himself and drawing back at the fans and all that stuff. It was great.
Starting point is 01:47:58 He pulled it off. He made it work. But he was locked in at least one building for bathing too long. I just found a flyer the other day for his wrestling school down, and I think Brick New Jersey. And a lot of the Jersey indie guys of the 90s came out of there. Devin Storm, Donnie B, I think maybe Mike Moraldo, Inferno Kid, maybe. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:48:20 A lot of guys from New Jersey came through, maybe not Inferno Kid, but a lot of the other guys, I don't know. Well, thank you for that clear and concise. Maybe Rick Ratchett, but I don't know if any wrestling school would want to take that. You've been keeping long hours with all this business we've been trying to conduct here lately. More to be announced. More to be announced.
Starting point is 01:48:40 Jim, let's go from the wonderful world of Hogan to Europe. Back to Europe. For more WWE. More WWE in Europe for WWRWA on Netflix. Well, they were in Glasgow, Scotland. Shout out to our friend Kenny McIntosh. He's getting married this summer
Starting point is 01:49:05 at a location near some of you people over there. So be sure to crash Kenny's wedding. But they were, again, they've been in Italy, they've been in Spain, they're in Scotland, they're going to London. And I mean, if I was 30 years younger, I might say, yeah, for the next four years or so, keep me the fuck out of America as much as you can. But God, almighty, some of these people might want to go home and say, see their family every once in a while, mightn't they?
Starting point is 01:49:40 And they're sold out again, 11,000 whatever people. And the crowd shot with the drone coming into, it's a bowl, a bowl type arena is what I'm trying to say. So it was round. And when the drone came in, it just, it looked like one of the, the, the Thunderdome that we talked about, right? We're the motorcycle rider. You just ride a, around the bowl.
Starting point is 01:50:08 The Thunderdome. The crowd looked impressive, did it not? It did, and they, of course, love to sing and shout and twist and shout and dance and let it all go. It's like when rock and roll first hit Russia. When Billy Joel was playing, and finally the fans are like, hey, the troops aren't going to shoot us. We can dance.
Starting point is 01:50:30 Yes. Oh, comrade, move your booty. Oh, well, yes, they were, they were singing here and chanting and, and they play John Sina's music. And immediately, John Sina sucks, John Sina sucks, John Sina sucks. John Sina sucks. And you know what? We thought we were going to see some kind of Hollywood Hok Hogan transformation where he's going to start wearing all in, you know, where in all, or wearing all, wearing all black or look heelish or grow a beard or something. He hasn't changed the outfit and one iota or the the burger towel that he holds up. And by the way, you know, John Cena, that's where he got the idea for the towel he holds up. For my burger towels. Obviously, that's one of the things I taught him in OVW.
Starting point is 01:51:27 You knew that, didn't you, Brian? I had not heard that. That's something I'd seen before. Well, you've heard it now. see you never know what you're going to learn here or potentially what i can make you believe but the thing i'm saying is it works to me now not changing the look because now that you want to find something wrong with it or the people want to pick at it or whatever because let's face it he's still a man that's almost 50 years old wearing that stupid fucking outfit
Starting point is 01:52:00 and waving a burger towel around and hustle, loyalty, respect, you can't see, all that stuff. It worked for the time and then it worked because it became iconic, but now that they're looking for a reason to not like it, it fucking works.
Starting point is 01:52:19 That outfit gets some fucking heat, doesn't it? If you're thinking about it that way. I think so, yes, and also I do think the idea is that he didn't change. They changed. or is that what he's saying? No, he's saying that everyone's always been awful. Maybe I'm wrong.
Starting point is 01:52:34 They've always been awful. That's right. But I've just said people wanted they were thinking, oh, is he going to change it? They're going to change the music. Are they going to change the looks? He's going to come out and gone old Hollywood with the rock or whatever? No, he just looks now. He looks like a fucking balding man having a midlife crisis and he's pouting.
Starting point is 01:52:52 And that's the good. The look. That is boo-boo-boo face. The look that he's given when he comes. out he's the opposite of, oh, I'm happy, let's go to work, and I'm going to slide in. He's walking out. He's looking at those people with boo-boo-bo-face. Like, fuck you.
Starting point is 01:53:12 And all he has to do is something on your mind, and they boo him. And he heals the fed, but he's being a fucking, and now he's got to stick up his ass. John Cena, the doctor of Thugonomics, the guy that, you know, was anti- authority and establishment in his youth or whatever the fuck, at least in their minds, is now he's the fucking petulant, fucking old guy. Get off my lawn, kids. You know what he's doing, Brian?
Starting point is 01:53:46 He's yelling at clouds. But it's, it, get there, fuck you, Sina and Netflix. At first they tried to bleep. Fuck you, Sina. the guy was off. So what I heard was, fuck you bleep, fuck you bleep.
Starting point is 01:54:05 And then they started chanting to shut the fuck up and the guy just quit. He just didn't, fuck it. I'm not even getting in this. But he cuts the promo on the fans.
Starting point is 01:54:20 And how they're all horrible people. For 25 years, I've listened to your lies and noise. And I got to recognize the one guy with the sign that said Sina fears Finn Martin. Finn Martin, obviously a long-time editor of numerous wrestling publications in the United Kingdom.
Starting point is 01:54:40 And he's actually the American or the English cousin of the American Quinn Martin. Brian, you know Quinn and Finn. They were quite a tag team. I don't think there's any relation. Back in the Tennessee territory. I don't know about that. And then, Sina said they, your lives here are all sad. He got sad lives.
Starting point is 01:55:02 And he did the heel promo on the fans and their shortcomings. And I can't do it justice because he's the linguist, but he knocked him for not liking the spinner belt in 2005. And how everybody hated that. So now he's going to ruin wrestling for everybody because at WrestleMania, he's going to win the title for the 17th time and make you forget all about Rick Flair. And even worse, I'm winning the title. I'm retiring with it.
Starting point is 01:55:31 I'm taking it home with me. So I'm going to be the last real champion here. And I'm going to walk away with your memories and your dreams. And you can't stop me. And they hit Cody's music. Oh, my God. And now they're happy. And they're singing and they're woeing.
Starting point is 01:55:53 And here comes Cody to answer this effrontery to the wrestling fan there in Glasgow. And of course he immediately, well, when his music comes down, the people sang, chanted for him. Again, it's the soccer, I guess. They know all the tunes and all the, the ebbs and the flows of the things.
Starting point is 01:56:19 There are very musical people over there, aren't they? Who would have thought it would be soccer, the football, as they call it over there, that would get people together. I get, they're musical because they get their bell rung all the time. Is that what we're being told? Who's telling us that?
Starting point is 01:56:38 No. Well, then how come they sing so much better than the crowds in America? You know, crowds don't sing. Again, I don't know what the soccer chance are, but there was one song that literally just sounded like, Cody Rhodes, Cody Roads, Cody Roads. I don't know what song that is.
Starting point is 01:56:54 Yeah, but they were all doing it at the same time. over here you can't get people to agree on the lyrics to stairway to heaven anyway Cody comes out and does baby face promo and takes up for the people and he fights for their right to party and he said you you said that you would take this belt from them well shouldn't you take it away from me first and he took up for the fans which led to them doing more sing chanting and then he laid the belt down and dared John Cena to take it. And Cedar turned around and left the ring.
Starting point is 01:57:36 And Cody called him back and dared him to get in the ring. And Cina came back and he went back out. And then Cody, in his dustyism of the week, he said, let me tell you this, said John Cina. your psychotic need to take this doesn't outweigh our need to keep it, baby. Only said it like Cody says it. And then he told Sina that he's going to walk away from WrestleMania and the WWE empty-handed just like he's doing there.
Starting point is 01:58:16 And again, they just, they talked and then they left. And it takes 20 minutes. And I'm not saying any of it's bad, but it's between the singing and the chanting and the milking and the interringing. And it, if you'd have done something on one of Vince McMahon's programs 30 years ago that had the pace of this, he would have screamed at you. I see, we could have done this in fucking six minutes. But it was very good. What'd you think? I thought it was excellent.
Starting point is 01:58:52 It went a really long time, but I really enjoyed it. but some of the critics who have not liked the Sina Heel promos I've seen them say, and they're right, it went a long time, but it was really good. Cody's argument is ridiculous, and I know he's really hot right now. The fans are singing his name, but he's not mad because he's got his ass kicked.
Starting point is 01:59:13 He's mad because you want to take the title from them. What? I mean, come on. It's dusty. It is. You can do what you want to this pole, old broken down body. You can do what you want,
Starting point is 01:59:28 Ivan Koloff, Anderson brothers, to his whole broken down body. But when you start talking about the people of the state of Georgia, that type of thing. Is Sina trying to deliberately drive Cody nuts? Where he gets Cody all amped up wanting a fight, and then he just bows out and walks away slowly like he's playing mind games with him?
Starting point is 01:59:53 Well, no. what he's doing is he's acknowledging that there's still, what they say, 26 days left to WrestleMania, we don't need to be physical as far out. And then he's playing mind games. But yeah, no,
Starting point is 02:00:07 they're milking this. And why? Why would they need, you know, if this was AEW, yes, they'd have jumped each other coming out of the fucking entry tunnel and they'd have brawled for 15 minutes through the building.
Starting point is 02:00:21 They don't need it right now and they don't need it this early. this far before the, I would suggest that one time probably before WrestleMania, there will be a situation where Cody either almost gets Sina, but he don't get to do what he wants to do, and Sina turns it around and beats him up again, or perhaps just Cody gets his hands on him,
Starting point is 02:00:52 but don't get what he wants to do. well no i still think and then then they'll they'll see no get a little heat on him again i don't think it'll be more than that and again two weeks now of this i don't think they're gonna have sina go into every town and just do this kind of promo over and over again i think two weeks is enough it has to be something different but two weeks with no mention of the rock no mention of Travis scott from cody no mention of you teamed up with the rock to turn against me and all these people the announcers who are instructed in these things do reference that, oh, he sold his soul for the final boss,
Starting point is 02:01:29 but none of the talent is. Yeah, but the people actually doing the angle aren't saying anything about it. What the hell is that? Because now even if the Rock shows up again in a couple weeks to be a part of this, you're not starting from scratch, but why has he not been referenced or mentioned
Starting point is 02:01:44 by the actual people doing the 25-minute segments? Because the announcers can be instructed as these things say, the people doing the 25-minute segments are the guy that's retiring after being one of the biggest stars in history of the company and the other guy who's on top during their hottest period.
Starting point is 02:02:04 And I don't think they want to talk about it a lot. Either one of them. I think they're doing what they're doing to get the attention on them and their match and not on people who might want to steal some spotlight. Well, perhaps they could switch it up and they could say
Starting point is 02:02:22 that it's not about the rock. They could say it's about John Cena not having a good night's sleep, not having the right mattress? Well, you could talk about that because if this was 20 years ago or whatever, when John Cena was the, had the doctorate in Thuganomics, he would say, well, your mama walks down a street with a mattress tied to her back. But see, now you can't say stuff like that anymore because everybody knows that all the finer hoers have air mattresses that they can inflate and deflate as necessary. So it's no longer a thing where you see people in that line of work walking down a street with a mattress tied to their back.
Starting point is 02:02:59 And here's another reason why you don't see that. Yeah, let's focus on people who live in a house and do things. Well, yes. Well, there's all kinds of houses, Brian. Haven't you ever heard of some of those houses? Let's specifically not mention some houses, but let's talk about Mr. and Mrs. America, just looking for a good night's sleep. I was at a house in New Orleans one time. But nevertheless, folks, the reason why they certainly did,
Starting point is 02:03:30 it was the ruin of many a poor young boy, but folks, Helix Sleep ain't going to ruin you, because that's what I'm beating around the bush trying to get to, is that you don't see people carrying mattresses on their backs down the street anymore because Helix Sleep has made that obsolete, delete, delete. you don't have to go to a store and then lug that big overstuffed son of a bitch back to your house anymore or have some crew of burly men dressed in various stages of grunty and groaning and stinky bringing the thing into your home and knocking over everything
Starting point is 02:04:10 till you get to the bedroom. No, now you could have a mattress delivered to your home in a nice, neat box that one person can motivate and navigate, and you put it right where you want it, you unbox it, and poof, it comes to life. And that is the Helix sleep mattress, the ones that we've been telling you about for months and months and years and years
Starting point is 02:04:30 because that's what we sleep on, because that's what we recommend you sleep on, because you don't want to sleep on suspicious merchandise, on, you never know what these other mattress companies are putting inside the mattresses. you never know what you're sleeping on top of or who else has laid down on that particular thing. Helix, they all come wrapped up just for you.
Starting point is 02:04:55 Brian, you can honestly say that your helix mattress, no human being has laid on it before you get a chance to plop your weary bones down on it. That's right. I can honestly say that. When you get your helix mattress, it'll be brand new just for you from helix. No human being is laid up because they do test with only dogs and cats.
Starting point is 02:05:15 Again, I don't know what they do and you don't know it either, but let's talk about the brand new. I don't know about your pets. What are you talking? Brand new mattresses are going to love the helix too because they get in a spot and they want to burrow right in the middle where it's warm. But I'll tell you what, these helix is if you sleep hot, they'll cool you off. If you sleep cold, they'll warm you up. If you sleep stiff, they'll loosen you up. And if you sleep loosey-goosey, they will tighten you tighter than Dick's hat man.
Starting point is 02:05:43 If any of these things are what you want, if that's what you want, you get to get a mattress. Well, that's right. And you can't always get what you want, but sometimes you can get what you need. And that's why you take the quiz at helix sleep.com. That's h-E-L-I-X sleep.com. And you tell them what you want, and then they tell you what they got that fits what you want, and then you order it and they send it to you. And then, boy, how do you sleep on it?
Starting point is 02:06:11 and again, just as comfortable like you're floating through clouds on the way to Asgard. And you're not going to get hit with Thor's hammer either. Did you hear what the girl said to Thor the day after the orgy? They both woke up and Thor introduced himself. He said, hi, I'm Thor. And she said, you're Thor. I'm so Thor, I can hardly Piff.
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Starting point is 02:08:11 All right. I've got to wake up coming out of Helix sleep, of course. And Jim, I understand before we get back to international affairs, we have some local news. Well, boy, I tell you, somebody got a wake up call. Of course, one of our stringers sent this into the desk. It's the guy that's covering the Ryan Nimeth beat this week.
Starting point is 02:08:36 Folks may recall, although maybe you don't. It's been a while. but Ryan Nimma sued who was it Tony Khan all elite wrestling CM Punk potentially Home Depot and Dan Rather I'm not sure
Starting point is 02:08:52 No no that was Rocka Khan Don't get the two kids Oh I'm sorry okay For blackballing him from the wrestling industry and ruining his What would have been an incredible Hall of Fame career And there was some
Starting point is 02:09:07 Ridiculous verbiage that you it was almost like a some kind of comedy club or improv room parody of what a lawyer would put in a lawsuit about the fascination that Tony Kahn had with CM Punk and the adoration and adulation and adulation and anal interference or whatever. I could say with more to be said in the future, we are literally involved with lawsuits where we detest the person who we've had to sue. yet we didn't get as personal as he did in his fucking lawsuit. We didn't see.
Starting point is 02:09:45 We wanted to, but respectable attorneys that you would think would be, you know, the ones you'd want to win a case would not have approved this. But nevertheless, that's the last we heard of that from Ryan. Well, apparently now Ryan Nimeth has changed his little bio on his,
Starting point is 02:10:05 I think it's Twitter, it's at, and follow, and he's got the followers and the following 3,000 people. That's when you know you're just a social climber. Who can follow 3,000 people and give a shit, but nevertheless, he's changed his bio. Would you like to hear what the new bio is for Ryan Nemith on the social mediums? I didn't know what the old one was, but sure.
Starting point is 02:10:32 It says, raise your hand if a literal billionaire sent someone to sue you, you four minutes before you walked on stage for your off-Broadway debut play this weekend. And a little emoji of a yellow-faced fellow with a blue sleeve slapping himself on a forehead. So apparently there has been a countersuit to the suit. Apparently David Geffen finally got his hands on Ryan Nemeth. Good to hear. And poor right, he was off Broadway.
Starting point is 02:11:10 I understand it was a play. and Schenectady. It was off Bowery. But, well, no, Hunts Hall turned him down. But Bernard Gorsi said he'd do it if the money was right. So now there's, I guess we'll be hearing
Starting point is 02:11:27 that there is a counter suit for some kind of, what would you sue in return for that suit that we read? Bad writing? Did we didn't know? What would Tony sue him for? I mean, I know that Tony, I mean, this is their move. It's not even about Ryan Nemouth.
Starting point is 02:11:43 They try to force things back into arbitration. That's what they want. The last thing they want is to have to go through the courts, and the last thing they want is to have to go public with a trial, with a jury, and everything else. Well, Ryan Nimeth got served, and he wasn't even in a dance competition. So he's been served with something, because that's the way that, you know, that's the way that these amateurs who've never been in multiple lawsuits
Starting point is 02:12:09 from a variety of positions such as myself. That's the way that they refer to being served in a suit. He sent somebody to sue me. And now he's going to sue Carol Channing for being blackballed from Broadway. How many billionaires do you think he's sideways with? Could this not be Tony? Is this another billionaire? Well, it's interesting.
Starting point is 02:12:32 Would Tony do this as a way, if it was true, and if we're going with the idea that anything in this lawsuit is true, Would Tony do this in this fashion as a way to win back the love and affection of CM Punk? Hey, remember when they served you right when you were going to get married? This guy ain't getting married. I waited until he was going to do you on Broadway, but that never happened. Yeah, this is the best it's going to get for this guy.
Starting point is 02:12:58 So we'll get him here. But no, I think Tony is suing him for defamation of his manliness for talking about the fascination that Tony allegedly has for punk's manly bits. And he's like, this is, this is ruining me from getting all the young debutants at all the balls that, uh, from the other kids of parents who invented bumpers for cars or wherever the fuck his social circle is at. What are you giggling at?
Starting point is 02:13:31 That must be a social circle, sure. The, the kids of other parents who invented car bumpers. Jim, Jim, can you meet my friend Mike Michelin? Do you know my friend Mike? Michelin over here? Yeah, he's got, he's the one we always talk about with a spare tire around his way. Oh, shit, it's Good Year Rob. Good Year Rob's over.
Starting point is 02:13:51 Come over here. Say it to Tony. Bumper Tony. Tony's got plenty of bumps. He's going to be doing. I kid, I kid. Of course. Tony the bumper, baby.
Starting point is 02:14:02 I'm sorry for rubbing my hands together as I'm thinking about all this Chase Nicarato is going to get bad. Travis Hinkle's going to have a mental breakdown. trying to figure this one out. Ryan Nemeth arguing, even to get past the insults, arguing he's blackballed was ridiculous because he might be someone that AEW wouldn't hire, but that wouldn't stop WWE. Tony Conrad would have nothing to do with that,
Starting point is 02:14:26 and he's been working for TNA. Where his brother's there. And he's off Broadway. And he's off Broadway, aka TNA. He's, uh, you know, what was he in? Was he in hair? What was he actually doing off Broadway? Rent with Ryan Nemeth.
Starting point is 02:14:45 What was he doing? Wait a minute. He was in a takeoff of Greece called Hot Water. Bye-bye Bertie, but it's by-bye Tony. That's all about the lawsuit. Well, that is the local news. Let's get back to WWE Raw. Oh, they still were doing that, weren't they?
Starting point is 02:15:06 In Scotland, in Glasgow. There was at Glasgow. I'll have you know. Glasgow. There was a bunch more stuff. I'm going through the plugs and the commercials and spots and travelogue. Here we came up on
Starting point is 02:15:19 Eyo and Bianca and Ria. And what's going on with them? And Adam Pierce is an underrated and under-heralded individual. The way that he exhibits frustration not only with the talent that has given him all kinds of problems, but also
Starting point is 02:15:37 some of the fucking cornball shit that he has to do. liver he's like he's got the bits he takes the glasses off he fucking looks the consternation on his face he he's got to work with this shit but they did they did the same thing it was like they've taken this show on the road it wasn't in broadway it was in bologna and then it was in glasgow where they did another thing where eo comes out she barely taller than the barricade Somebody tweeted, by the way, her build listed statistic on the official website is she's 5 foot 1. Oh, you saw that?
Starting point is 02:16:17 You saw someone tweet that? I saw somebody tweet that. Did you see the hundreds of people tweeting how wrong you are about EO that she's good, that she has talent, that she's over, that they like her? But nobody said she wasn't 5'1. I said she was in the range. I think that was the range I said. In the range. I said up to 5-3.
Starting point is 02:16:37 I capped it at 5-3. You sound like the fucking guy that gave me the warranty on my fucking roof. But anyway, she struggled to say that she would take on both Ria and Bianca. When Bianca came out, interrupted Adam Pearson, he was trying to make a proclamation again. He couldn't get it out because these people wouldn't quit interrupting him. And Bianca says, this is bullshit. She didn't say bullshit, but she might as well have. she earned the number one contender spot she's not letting ria into the match because she doesn't deserve it
Starting point is 02:17:10 and then maria's music hits and a big pop now they brought to big guns out because eo they're polite and bianca they seem like they're not happy with bianca over there in glasgow but ria brought the house down and she said i don't give a damn about WrestleMania or who I've got to go through to get my title back, but I want my rematch. And Bianca tells Ria the way you can just hold on and just hold your horses for three weeks and wait till I beat EO, and then you can have your rematch with her or with me. And they did the same thing, but they've done this how many times, like two or three times now, where Bianca and Ria get face-to-face arguing, ignoring EO,
Starting point is 02:18:00 and she starts to walk up and one of them just pie faces her like get her out of the way like not now kid and then he oh again started back at him and pierce blocked her off and no no no don't do so i'm pretty sure at this point that some way or another ria and bianca are coming out of this thing feuding for the title or even a chance at the title if they don't take it from EO at WrestleMania, but Bianca is going to be the heel. But Pierce has the solution next week. It's going to be Rhea versus EO,
Starting point is 02:18:43 and the winner will face Bianca at WrestleMania. And some way or another, I bet you that Bianca is going to cost Ria the title with EO next week. But anyway, nevertheless, then they all three Ria and Bianca start arguing again and Eo ran at Bianca but Bianca Ali Upped EO but EO grabbed Ria in a Huracan Rana
Starting point is 02:19:10 or whatever and they went through the most preposterous series of choreographed three-way shit that I have ever seen and even though this was an overseas crowd into everything the people weren't really going crazy for it because it was so, there was no payoff and excitement and aggression.
Starting point is 02:19:34 It was just the endless alley-oop into something, but anybody else foiling someone else's move. But whenever Bianca got a hold of Eo like she was going to do something, they booed the fuck out of that. Did you notice that? I've been telling you, I thought that Bianca's giving off heel vibes for a few weeks ever since the Naomi attack and the...
Starting point is 02:19:59 Oh, now you agree with me. saying it, and I think every time I would say it, you would just turn it around to insulting E.O. Sky for no good reason. But here we are. Is this still going to end up a three-way? I think it's almost got to the way that they're going, doesn't it? And also because of the fairness to the female genre, that we have to have the guys three-way and the girls' three-way, like we got the guys rumble and the girls rumbling, and they get blah, blah, blah. But I'd rather see Ria and Bianca.
Starting point is 02:20:39 Anyway. Dramatic music. Jim, let's move on from the girls' segment. There's still more of Raw. You never know when it's safe, folks. That stuff can just come in at any time. And you know, oh, Jesus Christ, what was that? Well, now we come to the part of the Raw program,
Starting point is 02:20:59 where we come to the three men vying for supremacy and the triple threat situation that they got over there with C.M. Punk and Seth Franklin Rollins and Roman Raines. They had a big package on that with the happenings, and then suddenly, Like a Mussolini! And a big crowd poppy from Glasgow for our own punky. Cause.
Starting point is 02:21:30 What's the matter with you? It was awful lyrics. That's what's the matter with me. My voice almost stuck like that. My voice is stuck. Your voice wasn't even the problem this time. It was the actual lyrics. Well, I'll have you know I'm a cunning lyricist as well.
Starting point is 02:21:44 Punk-e? Our own punky. Hey, by the way, we're still calling him Franklin. I've had people ask us that because apparently WWE has dropped freaking. He's now just Seth Rollins. The grown-up Seth Rollins. Well, but just... Is he so franklin?
Starting point is 02:21:58 Just because they're allowed to change people's names Willie nilly doesn't mean that we're bound to that, does it? We can still call people by their proper names. I agree. What about Jack Double Barrow Cannon? What about them? We could call him that.
Starting point is 02:22:16 Yes, we can. But anyway, you know who they were calling CM Punk over there in Glasgow? CM Punk. Because they got the big C.M. punk chants going and they sing they they're multi-lingual over there in the overseas lands they know all these fucking songs and chance and they go back and forth it's amazing and he's there to do a promo now riddle me this brian we just talked a little earlier in the program it seems so long ago
Starting point is 02:22:52 and oh so far away but they're all over there there they're in Bologna and they're in Coloni and they're in fucking London and they're in all these Spain and France and but how can if they're Roman reigns nor Seth were on this show and punk comes out and cuts the promo and basically says that they're you know they're going to be in London they're too scared to come here or whatever he said but have what did they just say it oh we're over here but fucking. I mean, does that count toward their number of contracted dates to the point where they'd rather sit off on a sold-out house or what, I don't, are they flying back and forth?
Starting point is 02:23:38 That's what I was wondering, did this conflict with Romans 15 dates a year? Well, but whatever he works. God damn, if you're over there, would you come all the way back home to be home for a couple days turn around to leave again or whatever. I don't know. You know what? I'm glad when I watched TV, when I was a wrestling fan, when I was a kid, you could think, well, if I got in a business, I could go all the way to Memphis, Tennessee. That was a big deal.
Starting point is 02:24:10 But fucking Maine to Spain on a Choo Choo Choo Train anyway. So Punk cut a promo, it's a great promo. And he's promoing, you know, his issue with these two fucking guys and he had a little homage or as the kids call it, an Easter egg or whatever with, you know, the more things change, the more they stay the same. I work with children.
Starting point is 02:24:35 But Seth screwed me at the elimination chamber because he's a little diaper piss baby. And Roman screwed me. Well, for those two, it's personal, but for me, it's business. There's two guys in my
Starting point is 02:24:49 way and they got to go. Seth and Roman. and he dropped the little hint that Roman, you know, somebody better tell you that your wise man isn't just your wise man. And there's a contract signing on Friday. What the fuck? Did they get, they all went home from fucking, where were they Friday night in Spain or Bolivia?
Starting point is 02:25:19 They all went home and are coming back to London. What do you always mentioned Bolivia? Bolivia is nowhere. We got a big audience. I'm trying to talk to the people out there, the cult of Cornette. In Uruguay, Uruguay is a hot spot for us right now. Uruguay? Uruguay.
Starting point is 02:25:37 Uruguay. Well, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to, maybe that's something that you need to tell people about yourself on your own. I didn't mean to reveal anything, but nevertheless. Nevertheless, more of this. More of this that's happening. Seth and Roman fuel up the jets and I'll see you in London. That's what punk is saying. I'm not going to be there.
Starting point is 02:26:04 But he reminded everybody again, neither one of you have ever beaten me without the other one's help. And I brought you into this business, and I can't wait to take you out of it, because they were his shield along with the other guy before he started exhibiting all the brain damage symptoms or whatever. what do you think I hate to go back to him
Starting point is 02:26:29 that's probably what Renee thinks but what does he think when his two compadres are two of the biggest fucking wrestling stars in the goddamn world for the biggest wrestling company in the world and he's over there getting a fucking phony bat stuck in his back
Starting point is 02:26:48 I think he has personal satisfaction and that he's able to do all the stupid stuff that Brock Lesnar said, I'm not doing this, you idiot. He now does it and he has a billionaire paying him and his wife millions of dollars to be there every week for this. He does promos that no one likes. Their own fans have turned against him. His matches are terrible. His stable's the most boring stable ever. But he's doing his own thing. If he was hearing him. Hey, listen, he's also exposed himself. I'm not saying WWE wouldn't bring him back because they'll bring anyone back, especially to hurt Tony.
Starting point is 02:27:24 but man, I can't even vision him fitting into the scene over there right now because he is awful and these guys aren't. Well, nevertheless, they weren't there, but punk was and he's going to see him Friday in London for the big contract sign. So, you know, again, they get to see one of the stars, but this is a big deal to these people. over there they get one big show in you know a dog's age as ain't lola used to say and then you know punk comes out does a promo where are these other fucking guys oh
Starting point is 02:28:03 we're going to be in london and even the people booed that and he's that you're booing he's so i can't help but i'm here you know so it's just like fuck couldn't they couldn't they just come out and walk around and talk a little bit that's all they need to do Anyway, would you like to go to the main event, Brian? Yeah, good promo, by the way. Good promo. Well, thank you. Oh, you're talking about fun.
Starting point is 02:28:28 Did you write this promo? Are you writing promos again? No, I thought you meant the one I just did. What do you think they're going to do with Haman? Well, I don't know. And where's Brock? The Duke weight loss clinic. No, that's not what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 02:28:44 Oh, you see what do you talk? Creatively, they're going to do with. The favor. CM Punk's favor. We don't know what it is, but there's still T. it, what do you think it'll be, and what do you think Hayman's going to do? See, the problem is, I think Hayman realizes, like I did
Starting point is 02:29:05 at one point in time, 30-something years ago, when his shoe was on the other manager, that he's not as effective or he can't get in the meat of the matter as much as a baby face, but circumstances you know, kind of demanded it, but now where do you you go. And I don't know. It's not like that if he suddenly favored punk over Roman that it would switch him
Starting point is 02:29:36 heel. It's not like if he favored Roman over punk would switch him heel unless they want to switch Roman back. So there may be some resolution to this where it's what's best for Heyman, which, you know, again, might or might not. I didn't go, where does Brock stand with Dana White and those guys? Are they happy with him? Yeah, I don't think there's any heat or anything that I know of.
Starting point is 02:30:04 Okay, then it seems like that they will bring anybody that can make them money, and Brock could make them money, but maybe Brock wants too much money because he knows how much money there, because he was already making a fucking shitload of money. Or are they just waiting for all the Vince stuff? to go away. Because until it does, you can bring him back in the next week. It's like, Brock Lesner asked her for a plate of piss. I don't know, Dana White was on video power shlapping his wife in a bar and he didn't even fucking go home for a day. That is amazing.
Starting point is 02:30:43 He was doing interviews on TV right after it too. And he just like, yeah. But I think there was a mitigating circumstances that she hit him first, but nevertheless. But yeah, so I don't think they care about that shit. Well, we don't put intended. I don't think they care about that shit. But it's time for the main event. For the intercontinental title, I had to watch this because I wanted to see, I don't, it could have been, it could have been ugly.
Starting point is 02:31:17 It could not have been. I was nervous. Bronbreaker versus. Penta. And I'm thinking, is there going to be a style clash here? Is Bron too green to deal with that type of thing? And while it wasn't his best ever performance, it didn't stink. It wasn't that bad.
Starting point is 02:31:40 There's still, you know, Braun looks incredible and his fucking style. He works like his father, and he has a personality of his uncle. But there's still, when Braun is having to position himself and cooperate for the have a coronas, especially the one that Pinta halfway missed and kind of body-sizzered him, and just the stuff he's doing, it doesn't highlight Bron in the best light, but like I said, it could have been a lot worse, although in the first 30 seconds, Pinta grabbed him in headlock with his right arm.
Starting point is 02:32:21 And I know the people who are smart on the fucking internet are going to say, well, that's the way they do it in Mexico. Yes, that's the idea. That's the way they do it in Mexico. Which is another reason why it's always been hard for luchadors with no experience in the United States and or vice versa to fucking work with each other. Because a lot of times they do work from the other side down there. But point is, they're not in Mexico. They were in goddamn Glasgow.
Starting point is 02:32:51 and for brawn i bet you that may be the first time that anybody would have ever headlocked him with the right arm before and all he did was pick him up and throw him off and show his strength and everything that would but what else could you do he couldn't do anything else because it'd be all fucked up that's the point does the guy just he's been here forever and so does he just forget and or what was that i was that may not have been a rhetorical question but could he just suddenly forget where he's at i guess you could but where you've been for years i don't know anyway uh it just it's just so odd i'm thinking what the fuck could you possibly do from that you can't well you anyway uh uh but
Starting point is 02:33:52 Ron controlled a lot of it. There wasn't a lot on the air, to be honest. They didn't show by the time they got them in the ring and et cetera, and then they went to break. But finally, both of them were down, and they did the dueling chant, but it was, let's go pinto, woof, woof, woof, woof. And impenna made a comeback and a backstabber, two-count,
Starting point is 02:34:16 and Braun foiled a Mexican destroyer into a gut-buster. and they were again, you know, I just don't like seeing Braun have to put himself in position for all this tomfoolery when he's got something going on. But then Penta did a dive and Braun was right there standing there and he had his arms up and Pina went right past him. They both fell down but Pena just landed flat on his ass on the floor from flipping over the top rope. And I'm saying, what the fuck? Why? Anyway, Braun hit the Breckensteiner
Starting point is 02:34:59 and covered him and the crowd was count with that one, one, two, and he kicks out. And I'm saying, all right, Braun gets up with the mean face, he's barking. And then Dominic, Dominic and Carlito have appeared.
Starting point is 02:35:17 And Dominic drew the referee and Carlito got up and Braun just brought him right in the ring and hit him with a spear, but the referee has turned around and look and so, well, this guy's in a fucking ring. But now they've made the rule up that as long as the guy can get in the ring all he wants,
Starting point is 02:35:34 as long as the referee doesn't see him hit anybody. The fuck. So the referee looks at that, but then Dominic comes in and clips Braun's leg, and then the referee disqualifies him. So they just wanted to get out of it. it was a spot show finish for the people in Glasgow because, you know, why beat either one of these guys?
Starting point is 02:36:00 And Dominic gets on Braun and Finn comes in and hits Braun with a chair a couple times and then he gives it to Dominic. Dominic hits him about four times with it. And then Dominic gives the chair to Pinta and says, hit him. And Finn's like, what are you giving him the chair for? You could, he should have heard him with that accent. What do you give him the chair for? and then Pinta threw the chair to Dominic who caught it and held it in front of his face so he could super kick it. And then Finn got on Pinta and hit Braun with the chair again and double stomped Pinta and both the baby faces are down selling and the heels are up. And I'm not sure how I feel about a program involving Braun and Pinta in a feud with the miniature judgment day. what the fuck is going on here can we just get brawn in some main events please more brawn
Starting point is 02:36:57 the match wasn't bad i know you were wondering how they would work together it wasn't bad again i think the only thing that really hurt it for this was just the idea that you have two baby faces wrestling each other so the fans i don't think they want to boo penta and i don't think they want to boo brawn so you just man brawn technically is still a heel because he hasn't actually turned but the people like him because he's so cool. If Judgment Day is coming after him, he's a baby face. Well, yes. Because Judgment Day are one of the acts you can say are clearly heal.
Starting point is 02:37:31 Right? I mean, they clearly heal. Not too many other people are. Yes, yes. But I'm just saying, Braun's being Braun and it's working, but I hate who Braun has to be Bronn with here these days. I'm impatient. You hate who he has to be brawn with. You mean Penta? Penta and or Finn. and or Carlito and or, you know, with Dominic, it's fun when Dominic takes big bumps, but, you know, and it's the tag teams, whatever the fuck.
Starting point is 02:38:01 And JD, you got a figure's going to come back at some point. Well, then we could talk about that. And they're already doing Ray Phoenix vignette videos, I think, on Smackdown. Well, maybe, ah, so maybe Pinto will need a partner after Bronner. gets mad because Penta gets beat and spears him out of his boots and then Penta brings his brother Felix in and then Braun goes somewhere else to fight big stars. Why didn't AEW just call him Penta?
Starting point is 02:38:35 Like Penta El Zero-Mieto is just such a, I don't know, it doesn't necessarily work for non- Wrestling fans in English. But Penta just kind of says it and you're done and you can move on. It's, oh yeah, Penta. Why didn't they ever just do that? And that reminds people what they said over in AEW after Penta left. Penta, gone. Junior. But that was Raw.
Starting point is 02:39:00 Raw gone. Another WWE Raw. And of course, Jim, when you talk about Raw, you must talk about the big business that WWE and TKO were doing record profits, merch through the roof. But they're not the only ones who could do merch. anyone out there can do some brand of merch, of course, even us, little all us. And just like us, you can have your store powered by Shopify.
Starting point is 02:39:29 That's exactly right, because as we mentioned at the top of the program, after popular demand, the Corny's Drive-Thru and other T-shirts are available at the Shop app. and then you go to Shopify's shop app and they're in there. See, I know all the snappy phrases now that the kids are using since I've been involved with Shopify and you've started using them. Shopify, folks, if you want to sell your merch or if you want to sell somebody else's merch, let's say that, for example, somebody makes some merch and then you buy it, then you turn around and you want to resell it.
Starting point is 02:40:07 Well, you can sell merch all day long. you need much merch they got it Shopify is the number one check out on the planet the platform that all the big boys including us i'm big and you're a boy and uh they are the ones who everyone uses to make more money because after all that's the sound you're going to hear the sound of making money the sound of profit the sound of dirty capitalism in action when you're you're selling your stuff through Shopify, you've got an idea, you've got a hairbrain scheme, they're the ones that can put it into reality because look at our hairbrain scheme, it's already real. And look at your hairbrain schemes, ladies and gentlemen, they can become reality just like our hair brain schemes. And we can save you money on that too. Brian, do you, did we get the dollar a month trial period by the way, or did we just jump in with both feet? Certainly we got the deal.
Starting point is 02:41:09 I believe we got the deal. We got the deal because you can get the deal too. Folks, you can sign up for a $1 a month trial period at Shopify.com slash JCE. That's the secret code, all lowercase, Shopify.com slash JCE. And for $1, the $1 that will be the change of your life, you can have a trial period with Shopify where they can tell. you what they're going to do for you and show you how beneficial it will be for them to be out there strong-arming people and to giving them their money and then they pass that money onto you.
Starting point is 02:41:52 Now they occupy every street corner, every bus station, every place where crowds congregate, congregate, and they will take at least a dollar off of each person that passes by or elsewise they give them a couple of sharp wraps on the year. maybe a little elbow in the temple. And then they gather all that money up at a hat and they bring it right back to you, and this is what you hear. Now imagine they're doing that on a worldwide basis.
Starting point is 02:42:21 We're all of their virtual employees out there on all the interwebs are simultaneously elbowing somebody in the temple or wrapping them up on the side of the head. There's another dollar for you. Brian, do you realize if you have a worldwide reach, how many people you could extort for $1, they're going to make everybody billionaires. We are not, again, no extortion, no extortion, and if that wasn't something implied, they'd probably put it as part of their tagline, this is just a way to sell your products
Starting point is 02:42:53 and make good money, hard-earned money, legitimate money through legitimate means with the legitimate Shopify. Well, if it's implied sometimes that people don't get, the ply. So if you don't want extortion, folks, click the no extortion box when you... Again, it's built into the service. You don't have to worry about that, just like you're not going to have to worry about anything else. You have to, you actually, if you want extortion, you have to ask for it. No extortion. No extortion. There'll be no extortion. No folks. No money. That's what you have to lay out at the start, a dollar a month trial period. Shopify.com
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Starting point is 02:44:23 That's right. Of course, Shopify powering our official Jim Cornett store. But Jim, as we move on, let's get some questions before we call it a day. And several questions, I'm sure you understand, have come in. over the last day about a big news story breaking. I have an article here from Fightful.com by Colin Tesier, one or the other. Siae?
Starting point is 02:44:50 And Sean Ross Sapp. The sap and the Tessier. Gail Kim, Ariel Schnair, and others are fired by TNA wrestling. TNA makes some major changes. As reported by Fightful, Sean Ross Sapp, T&A sent out an email saying that Gail Kim, Ariel Schnerner, Rob Kligman, and Michael... Not Rob!
Starting point is 02:45:20 Not Rob! Michael Shuchenko are out of the company in a round of firings. Kim had been involved with talent relations, and she was also working as a producer. Schnerner had been overseeing all content. And he worked closely with TNA President Anthony Chikoni, Chichione, whatever his name is. Where's the fuck are these names coming from? On all, Canada.
Starting point is 02:45:47 On all talent and creative decisions. Kligman had been chief revenue officer at Anthem Sports Group, while Kligman was the vice president of digital operations. Well, he just said his name twice. Kligman had been the chief, Klingman had been the chief revenue officer While Klingman was the vice president Either he was both or they left
Starting point is 02:46:10 One of the names there I have the official email here Departing our Leadership team Are Ariel Schner Gail Kim Rob Klingman It said Kligman over here Klingman and Michael
Starting point is 02:46:24 Shuchenko Do you think there's a Kligman and a Klingman Maybe that's why they get fired It was confusing I think this is all to keep people away from Shuchenko Something going on there. As a longtime anthem employee,
Starting point is 02:46:39 Ariel has played an important role in glowing, in growing our anthem properties from his work with Fight Network and most recently his focus on TNA. Ariel has been instrumental in building our storylines and growing our audiences. So naturally he had to leave.
Starting point is 02:47:00 Gail has had a long and storied career in TNA as both a champion wrestler and a part of the T&A leadership team. Gail has been a powerful presence in our locker room, supporting our talent, and their great performances. So she must go. On the sales side, Rob Cligman, they went back to the other spelling now.
Starting point is 02:47:24 This is from their email. Rob Cligman departs his... No, what are they? Don't even know how to spell their employees' names. Rob Cligman departs his chief revenue officer and in digital, Michael Shuchenko will be departing the organization, April 30th. In addition to these leadership departures,
Starting point is 02:47:42 we also say thank you and goodbye to Karen Clevet Sebastian... Was there a fuck you in the middle of there? Sebastian Dostrange, Romie Glazer, and Raphael Morfiel
Starting point is 02:48:03 I know Raphael, he's a live event promoter, has been there for some time and was working with Jim Ross on his tour at one point. He's heard thank you and goodbye a few times in the last few years. Our company is built on the strength and dedication of our team. That's why we're booting them out. And these changes do not diminish the value or the contributions of those affected. So let me stop there. We have more news, but let's first go through this press release here about who's leaving. I guess the first name a lot of people wanted me to ask you about is Gail Kim just because you do have a history with her.
Starting point is 02:48:44 And of course, you have a history with TNA. I believe you guys were there at the same time. Yes. What do you think of Gail Kim? What do you think of what Gail Kim brings to the table right now in 2025? Would she be an asset to AEW or WWE? And what do you think of her leaving TNA? Well, hold on now.
Starting point is 02:49:02 There's about 18 questions there. I was there. Gail was with me both in OVW and in TNA, and I've always mentioned that I thought that her matches with Awesome Kong at one point were what was carrying the show ratings-wise, and it was probably the best modern-day women's wrestling matches that I'd seen at that point, and maybe still, to be quite honest, before everything, man, woman, child and animal vegetable and mineral went crazy.
Starting point is 02:49:34 And Gail is also a responsible, and I haven't seen her in years, but she's a responsible person. She was a responsible adult. If she's transitioned into production, talent relations, helping the girls with their matches, that's certainly a job that I would put Gail Kim on a very short list of people that I would want doing that in a wrestling company. So I don't know what is going on over there within the organization, but at the same time, I don't know that she's, how can I put this? I don't know that she's been out shopping for more work.
Starting point is 02:50:16 She's also, last I heard, been happily married to Robert Irvine, one of the celebrity chefs. And I don't think she's, you know, out there turning her, resume in for every company in the world. But, you know, if you're going to have a female producer for the company or for the female T&A talent, I can't think of many that would be better. So I don't know what the problem is there. Would you be an asset for AEW?
Starting point is 02:50:50 Well, behind the scenes. Well, now I have to say, no, I've just put Gail over, but I did, no, you can't be an asset there. can only be aggravated there if you care about what you're doing and have any knowledge of the wrestling business she would probably be somewhat miserable shaking her head at why the fuck is all this shit going on she's a rational professional in the industry and of course all these changes all these firings at t and a are coming on the heels of their recent change at the top uh doesn't have his name here anywhere there was a guy named silver they just put it in charge of t and a didn't they and now Well, he is still the president of TNA from one that I'm seeing,
Starting point is 02:51:34 but he's the one that issued the memo announcing that everybody else is gone. Is it weird that you see all these firings at a period of time where I think everyone's kind of acknowledged TNA as more positive buzz right now than it has, at least in a decade, maybe more? Well, yeah, that's... The W.W.E relationships a big. big thing, but what do you think of the timing? That's, again, you know, it was months and months ago now. They fired DeMore
Starting point is 02:52:03 and everybody was like, oh, gosh, but they actually, their business picked up, and I'm not saying it was a direct cause and, you know, a result or whatever, but their business picked up. So now we're hearing good things and they're dealing with the W.W.E. And they've got crowds at their tapings. And now they
Starting point is 02:52:21 fire everybody's in charge of everything. Again, what makes these people happy. And also just, I have no idea who Ariel Schnerner might be. I've never met him. They made him apparently effectively the head of creative because he was the executive producer of the television, but he'd never been involved in a wrestling business. so I'm pretty sure that any of the wrestling ideas or wrestling, you know,
Starting point is 02:53:01 the meat and potatoes of the thing have not been coming from him to begin with. So I don't know whether that's a big deal or not. Maybe he was getting in the way. Yeah, at this point when you get made the head of creative, you're just one step away from being fired. Yeah, yeah. But I mean, seriously, he had been, he'd been an executive within that organization. rather than a wrestling person, so whatever.
Starting point is 02:53:26 Well, Jim, more TNA news. Let me go back to this article here from Fightful.com. The wrestling reporter Mike Johnson reports that Hunter Johnson, no relation, also known as Delirious, will head creative. And Tommy Dreamer will continue in his role on the team. They will report directly to Silva. Dreamer will also head talent relations following, Kim's departure. Senior Vice President of Digital, David Clevenger, will be starting in April as well,
Starting point is 02:54:00 while Senior Vice President of Sales, Nicole Rashine has already started with the company this month. So there it is, a booking change, and of course, next to DeGale Kim part of the story, the other thing people wanted to get your opinion on was Delirious. Hunter Johnson, I don't know if he still prefers to be called Delirious or Hunter Johnson. Hunter Johnson, former Ring of Honor Booker, someone you worked very closely with, is now the Booker of T&A, again, in a period of time where T&A is more attention on them
Starting point is 02:54:30 than having a long time. What are your thoughts on this? And you know, one of the things that I like about Hunter, he doesn't want to be called at all. He never wanted attention on it when he was booking. I'm not talking about it as a wrestler. That would be counterproductive. But his book, he didn't want praise.
Starting point is 02:54:48 He didn't want attention. He didn't have pictures of himself. unmasked on the internet, shaking hands with the, you know, the perpetrators of the big match he had just booked or whatever. He is a workaholic. He has a great wrestling mind and a head for trying to please the modern fan and do the stuff that the young folks want to do without making the wrestling business or the particular company that he's working for look stupid.
Starting point is 02:55:19 And that's why we got along so well. And I enjoyed very much working with him. And, you know, I bet you he hadn't changed much in the last almost 15 years or whatever. In that he still, he was literally thinking about this stuff night and day. And how can we do this? How can we do that? How can we, you know, what great match can we put? put on for the pay-per-view, whatever the fuck.
Starting point is 02:55:51 He was always thinking about this stuff, and he was a workaholic. And even having, and he's also had much more patient than I am, and even having to deal with Greg the office boy for so long in Sinclair Broadcasting, he never just reached out and just grabbed anybody by the neck. He was always the one trying to explain to people
Starting point is 02:56:14 why you probably shouldn't grab that person by the neck. So, you know, for every, I think that's a definite plus because I don't know why in the world. He was doing that job for Ring of Honor when Tony Khan bought it. And Tony Khan bought all of the fucking dreck and didn't keep the, you know, the diamond in the punch bowl there. So I think that's a definite plus. I don't know what their problem was or what the issue was with Gay. but if they've lost gale they've you know with getting delirious in charge of the creative and i think that's a positive and Tommy dreamer loves talking to the young guys he loves talking to
Starting point is 02:57:05 the boys and so he's probably good for talent relations what are hunter johnson's positives what are his best qualities as a booker well as i said he he tries to figure out a way to appeal to the modern fan and to let the young people do their thing, but framing it in a way that it doesn't make the wrestling business look just completely phony or stupid. And I know there was a period of time
Starting point is 02:57:37 that he had to hold his nose when the buckaroos and all of the rest of the lollipop guild had the company held hostage for a couple years there. but otherwise, you know, his track record has been, at least from the times that I worked with him and from anything I've seen, he was trying to have some level of credibility and make personalities and make talent and make stars instead of fucking having a car wreck every week. So that he's in the middle age wise.
Starting point is 02:58:10 He's not young and stupid, but he's not old and cranky. Do you think TKO is going to purchase TNA? No, because if they do that, that negates, yes, future talent, maybe a thing that they're looking at and blah, blah, blah, but if they were to purchase the thing, it negates the reason why they're probably doing this down deep to begin with, which is to avoid any kind of monopoly or antitrust talk. the ones that are not a threat to what they're wanting to do
Starting point is 02:58:45 or who they're wanting to have or not going to make any waves for them business-wise is the ones they're going to associate with and the ones that are going to fuck shit up or do shit they don't want to do that they can't keep under their thumb they're the ones that they're going to fuck with they're going to fuck with AEW for upsetting the pay schedule
Starting point is 02:59:07 and Tony just being richy rich and paying these indie goofs millions so that everybody thinks they're worth more. But they're not going to fuck with TNA because they're a smaller company owned by a company that doesn't want to rule the world in wrestling and just needs programming
Starting point is 02:59:25 and they can work out of talent exchange and everybody will be happy. All right, well, that was the TNA news and as we promised, one of these weeks and we're not exactly sure which one it'll be, it may be the next one, or the one after that, but we are going to check out TNA. We're going to see what all the buzzes are.
Starting point is 02:59:43 We got to see a before and after. We got to watch something here pretty soon, and then whenever they take over, who knows when this new administration's policies will start to kick in. And there were people like, man, as soon as Scott DeMore's gone, they're going to go downhill. They're running Long Island and L.A., so I really don't know. But we'll see. Let's see what all the buses are about. Well, but they've just fired a lot of the people that got them there. So let's see where, you know.
Starting point is 03:00:09 Maybe I'd want to go in and just really stink because it seems like that they only fire people when they're on an upswing. Well, Jim, let's get some more questions here from the cult of Cornette. This one was sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com. I'm guessing this is not a real name from bitch tits, Bob. No, I know him. You ought to see him. It is a real name.
Starting point is 03:00:37 My question is if Andre the Giant would still be worth a shit in 2025 or if he would be just another typical giant that stands around and looks confused. What do you think? If Andre the Giant existed today, would he still stand out in the modern wrestling business? Well, which Andre? Let's say, are we talking? Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. Mid-70s, Andre, 1980s, or late 80s, Andre?
Starting point is 03:01:03 I think mid-70s Andre would take over the goddamn world in an instant. The Andre that people remember from WrestleMania 3 era, no, if that's the first thing you saw. See, remember, there was a time when everybody got old, right? Whether it be Mickey Mantle or Joe Lewis or whatever the fuck. most people didn't see Andre when he first became, you know, a deal in North America from, really, from the time he was in Montreal and what, 71 to about 74, you see the pictures in the magazines. He's throwing drop kicks. He's fucking doing all this. He's doing a pedigree. You know, he could move. And he could also work because he'd been in Europe for, five years and had some experience before anybody knew who fuck he was or that he was around.
Starting point is 03:02:05 And then by the time that people saw him across the country in 74, 75, 76, they had told him, don't do so much of the things you're doing because you might get hurt and you're drawn too much money. But these handicap matches or the matches against the big guy in the territory or whatever have the big man match. you never do a job but athletically until what maybe late 70s
Starting point is 03:02:34 when did he break his ankle that was early 80s I think 81 and he had already started gaining some weight and et cetera but you know by the late 70s you know he was starting to slow down but still until the ankle break and then he really got heavy in
Starting point is 03:02:51 early and mid 80s then he was still for the time he was still impressive because of his size and because he could work and he had, he had aggression in the rig and when he'd do the giant bellow, when he got mad, it scared people. So his aura lasted longer than his physical prime. But then that's why Vince made the decision to pull the trigger on that match because he could see by 87, you know, it was enough where you could tell that he could tell that he, he was hurt and it was kind of sad.
Starting point is 03:03:28 It was starting to get sad to look at him for the fans. Be like, oh. So he had to get the match out of him then. He was never going to have another chance at it. So which Andre you saw first would indicate whether or not, but if you had the Andre of the early and mid-70s and he was produced still well, but like more of a giant of today,
Starting point is 03:03:54 you would have one of the biggest attractions you could possibly imagine. Because he psychologically, he knew how to work, he could go up for a fucking slam, he could do all that shit, and he wasn't broken down enough yet that you couldn't get him over to an audience that had never seen him before.
Starting point is 03:04:12 By the time he was broken down in real life, he was already such a big name. It was just, oh my God, Andre's here. Not to say he wasn't a big star, and not to say he didn't have great success, and everyone knows his name. But why do you think Vince got it so wrong with the big show? Because everyone always pointed to Andre and say Vince knows how to promote a giant. If there's anything Vince McMahon knows
Starting point is 03:04:32 how to do, it's promote an attraction. Do you think it was just the nature of the times and how fast everything happened and the booking? Or do you think Vince maybe didn't have that, I don't know. Why do you think the big show was never presented as being extra special as a giant like Andre was, even though he really was? Well, Or at least it didn't come across, though. Am I really? Is this question in any way that makes sense? Do you know what I mean?
Starting point is 03:04:59 Yes, yes. It big show didn't dominate the business in his era like Andre did in his. And part of it, Vince McMahon, he knew how to get a giant over because he had watched his father do it. And yes, you know, stand Andre on a box for the fucking interviews and everything. Vince Jr. knew that. But Andre was a project of not only Vince Sr., but. a lot of the major promoters who worked in conjunction because they had this big drawing card to not fuck it up
Starting point is 03:05:32 and at the same time as I mentioned big show didn't have a lot of experience when he his WCW run they weren't anxious to teach him a lot whether it be physically or psychologically about the business although I will say they present him better, I think. The giant, I felt as a fan
Starting point is 03:05:57 during that era, meant more in WCW and was more of a big deal than he was as Paul White and then the big show pretty quickly within weeks of WWE, they kind of took him down a few notches. Yes, and that's because, again,
Starting point is 03:06:16 you know, they knew they were getting a guy that had... And I've told a story, Larry Sharp had found Paul White. and brought him to a fucking Dennis Corleuzo show that I was at one time, I think. Yeah, it was the 94 NWA convention in Cherry Hill. Yeah. Okay. And he said, my God, look at this fucking guy.
Starting point is 03:06:36 He said, I'm having his first match next month. And I said, get me the tape, send it up to the office. I guarantee you he's got a contract. I just need to give me that to show Vince and boom. And WCW Hogan found out about him. and he never had that match. I don't think for Larry, they just signed him and kept him
Starting point is 03:06:55 undercover and debuted him on pay-per-view against Hogan. So that's what I'm talking about. They presented him great. As the son of Andre. Yes. They went that far. And they presented him great, but he didn't have a fucking clue
Starting point is 03:07:10 what he was doing. And then when he got to the WWF, Vince got him, but then realized that he didn't really know what the fuck he was doing. And that's how we, he ended up with him in OVW to make him, yes, lose weight. They were on that kick, but also to kind of teach him a little more about the
Starting point is 03:07:30 fucking business in general, just by osmosis with the guys and et cetera. And then he had to go and get over in the WWW because once Vince Sowers on you, at the start, you have to work that much harder to try to fucking get over and justify yourself. so it was a rocky road all right jim our next question sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail dot com is from bob jack in it in san diego i have a question about rick flair and irish whips
Starting point is 03:08:06 i've noticed in his matches he almost always grabs a quick side headlock if he wants to be shot off into the ropes and conversely puts himself into a quick side headlock to back the other fellow up if he wants to shoot him off. My question is, was the quick headlock and shoot off another chance to call a spot? Do you know if this frustrated anyone else working with him, or did Rick Flair just have a problem with Irish whips? Let me start. First of all, it's not an Irish whip. when you when you grab someone by the arm or the wrist and shoot them off into the ropes that is the modern day definition of the Irish whip which evolved from was it Dano O'Mahoney who was the top guy in Boston in the 20s doing the Irish whip Sheldon Goldberg now is screaming at me yeah I know what he's screaming plug my book no no
Starting point is 03:09:10 Oh, he's screaming the name because he knows. But anyway, the Irish whip was an Irish wrestler, and he would take the guy's arm, and it was kind of like a judo throw where you would duck under and yank it, and the guy would go over, that used to be an Irish whip originally. But where you're grabbing a guy and throwing him by an arm loosely as an Irish whip,
Starting point is 03:09:30 but when a guy has a headlock on you and you shoot him off into the ropes, it's shooting him off into the ropes. And yes, that was the thing is that Flair, everybody said this. Flair talked very minimally, even if he had the chance to his opponent, before the match, he called almost everything in the ring. You'd have a basic finish, and that was it.
Starting point is 03:09:58 And boom, boom, boom, when you're going, and maybe he's just taking a hip toss and a drop kick, and suddenly he jumps up and grabs the headlock, and he's got time to say, one tackle, hip toss, fucking drop kick. And boom, off you go. So that's, yes, headlock is a place to call a spot. And because Flair was doing it so quickly, that's why there was no reason to fucking hang
Starting point is 03:10:26 out and have a conversation over it. And if you didn't get it the first time, goddamn, something bad was going to happen, but you wanted to, you know, but yeah, you know, one tackle, drop down, hip toss, drop kick, get it again. Boom, off you go. And by the way, we mentioned them before. Let's give them a plug. Sheldon Goldberg, if you go to Amazon and look for Sheldon Goldberg or these books after the bell, the last fall, and a mad dog's tail, they're all available. If you're into wrestling fiction, longtime wrestling promoter, and the editor of Matt Marketplace,
Starting point is 03:10:58 if you remember that, he has his new books out right now. Once again, Sheldon Goldberg, all books are on Amazon. Jim, let's get another question here. this one sent the corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Justin in the AWA-W-WA crossroads of Peoria, Illinois. Hello gentlemen, with talks of the Milwaukee midget, I was wondering who are the best working midgets in wrestling history. I thought he was going to say with talks of the Milwaukee midget, what about the Peoria Pussy? It feels like Lord Littlebrook was the top of workers when it came to the midgets in the glory days
Starting point is 03:11:39 Who else was seen as a hell of a hand I will list some To help Jim and his aging mind Not to have to think so hard That's what it's The fuck Little Tokyo You're asking me the question there, pal
Starting point is 03:11:54 Little Tokyo Butch Cassidy Cowboy Lang The Karate Kid Beautiful Bobby It says Little Brook's son Little Beaver Jamaica Kid
Starting point is 03:12:05 Tiger Jackson Fuzzy Cupid Sky Low Low What did Jesus What did he just Google Every midget rat
Starting point is 03:12:13 No You left off Julius Sneezer One of my favorite names And we Willie Wilson From Florida To
Starting point is 03:12:23 And what about Little Bruiser Remember Little Bruiser We see him on an AEW with a dark order That's right And actually Little Bruiser
Starting point is 03:12:32 drew a sellout house in Indianapolis at the Expo Center. Little Bruiser was a little fella that looked just like Dick the Bruiser, and they broke him in and used him long enough to get people familiar with him. And it was Bruiser and Crusher and Little Bruiser versus Bobby Heenan. Oh, my God, now all I remember is Little Bruiser and Heenan. But I think it was Heenan. Von Rashke. and Ray Stevens, I believe.
Starting point is 03:13:06 But nevertheless, that was one of the first matches. That was 1970, what, two in Indianapolis, one of the first matches I ever saw on TV. And, of course, Heenan gets beat by Little Bruiser, and it was the ultimate humiliation of a manager. Oh, we're going to have this midget coming and beat you up. And, of course, I stole that later on. But it sold a fucking thing out.
Starting point is 03:13:28 Anyway, originally, going back, to it, I'm not sure who the first set of little people were that, that wrestled or whatever, but back in the, I guess going back to the 50s, Skylo Lo Lo was the name that everybody knew as the top midget wrestler. And at the time, the midgets were out of Montreal. That's why that Tony Lanz of the photographer has so many great pictures of them. But Skylo Lo was French-Connect. and I think Little Beaver was too. Fuzzy Cupid, as a matter of fact, was the top name midget before Skylo low, going back probably even to the late 40s. And I knew Littlebrook. Littlebrook was a heck of a guy. And I don't mean to say this in a bad way, but sometimes the top midget name was the
Starting point is 03:14:27 imagine this when you know who won the pony was the midget that was booking the other midgets. because by the Littlebrook era, the midgets were out of St. Joseph, Missouri, and even though Lord Littlebrook really was from England, he was a British native. He had settled in St. Joe, and that's where the midgets were booked out of at that point. I think a little Tokyo lived out there.
Starting point is 03:14:53 And Cowboy Lang was a name, and he was a heck of a worker and had a nice little gimmick. I think he, Stacey worked with him on an individual, independent show in California. It slapped the shit out of him, apparently with a potato because she didn't know what she was doing. But I think he lived in California,
Starting point is 03:15:14 but he was with that group of Little Brook and Tokyo and Cowboy Lang and et cetera during the 70s. And then Littlebrook ended up when the midget wrestling business in general fell out of favor. He had that run in WCW managing Rip Morgan and Jack Victory, remember? That's right, the royal family. Yes, and he was a heck of a guy,
Starting point is 03:15:40 but that's why everybody said, oh, you shouldn't call him midgets. Well, every time that I would see Littlebrook, I would say, Lord, how are you? It's all, I'm just booking the midgets. Well, he's won. If he didn't mind, I don't. All right, well, that makes it official
Starting point is 03:15:56 best working midgets. There it is. Jim, let's get another question here. this one was sent to corny drythru at gmail.com from sam in london england this is more of a logistical in-ring question why is pulling the tights illegal and how does it give you that much of an advantage when pinning someone that's the question that's the question well pulling the tights is illegal
Starting point is 03:16:25 because it is using I forget how it was worded in the old, but using the opponent's gear against him and gaining an unfair leverage advantage. And when wrestling was trying to be presented as somewhat legitimate, in all seriousness,
Starting point is 03:16:50 if you're on top of a guy and you're trying to pin him for real and you can grab a hold of something, whether it be in the, if you've got the right leverage, on a roll up and grab the tights or whatever, that does add just a tinge, just a tiny bit more leverage or stability or whatever.
Starting point is 03:17:08 So it could be done. And that's why all wrestling finishes came from small things that could be a bitch in a, I say could be a bitch, could be a complaint, could be an out, could be something that turned it into a fluke, an unfair advantage. That's where all finishes and wrestling
Starting point is 03:17:28 wrestling started from to necessitate a rematch. So pulling trunks in the 30s and 40s could sometimes get people to come in the ring. They would be so mad. The son of a bitch, he had a hold of his tights. I saw it in the 70s where people crowd the ring and start throwing garbage in. That son of a bitch pulled his tights. But then it loses its effectiveness when it's done so often and so much. And then finally people wonder because the announcers quit knowing how to call it and the boys quit really knowing how to do it and is like the question we had a week or two ago when well if they throw the guy on the ropes you know why do they drop down and all that stuff it's just been now it's just done rather than done as if it's in the spur of the moment and explained properly
Starting point is 03:18:23 does that make any sense it does make sense if it's something that happens and then it's not a focus of anything after the match. It's not a focus of anything after the match. It's just the ending of the match. That's just the way it goes. Jim, our next question sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Ken, how do other wrestlers feel about other wrestlers
Starting point is 03:18:45 picking their nose during a match? What, now, which person is picking which nose? I guess the question is, about wrestlers picking their nose what the opponent would think of it, but I guess since you opened this door, why don't we also talk about examples where someone picks someone else's nose?
Starting point is 03:19:05 Is that what you're saying? Yes. Well, I mean, if you're wrestling a guy and you see the guy picking his nose, you're thinking, well, I guess you got a big booger in his nose, he can't fucking breathe. And it's better than, you know, blowing a snot rocket on the mat.
Starting point is 03:19:22 I think I'd stay away from the old test of strength, you know, after that. but no, most of the time, you know, you will see a lot of matches. Guys have got to blow some fucking snout out somewhere because poor in hell in a cell cactus had his tooth stuck in his nose. But no, Ronnie Garvin, I've said this before, and this is not exclusive to him, but Ronnie Garvin used to get the job guys down on Atlanta TV and fucking get him in some kind of sugar hold and stretch them.
Starting point is 03:19:56 and I saw him just to be, just to entertain himself, if nothing else. One week he grabbed the guy's finger and made the guy pick his own nose and then eat it. And that wasn't a spot that was called in a locker room beforehand. But regardless of what finger is what going into, whose finger is going into whoever's nose, sometimes mama says it bees that way. You got to do what you got to do. but I don't know of anybody that I ever just could remember made a habit of just leaning on a turnbuckle
Starting point is 03:20:31 and a tag team match just, you know, with their fucking finger fishing around. What about just general, I don't even know what you would call it, fiddling around with yourself in the ring, you know, just picking, you know, be sticking a hand under your armpit or just anything? Yeah, well, you know, sometimes you got to
Starting point is 03:20:48 you got to pull the tights out of the crack of the ass or you got to scratch the armpit or whatever. But that, again, that's not as bad as a lot of times. The old timers like to grab a head scissors and fart in your fucking face. And that was, you know. That's how Fez got the belt. Well, as a matter of fact, in some cases, if the tapout had been invented back then, you would have had a, but yeah, the face farting was rampant.
Starting point is 03:21:16 Andre, we just talked about Andre not long ago. Yeah. And that would be like a wind tunnel coming at you, but that was a thing he liked to do. Jim, our next question sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com is from your fan in Morocco. There's a name here. Sounds like a secret agent.
Starting point is 03:21:38 That's how he signed it, and I don't know if I could read the name that's in the email here, but let's go to this question from Morocco. Since John Sina is attempting to break Rick Flair's record, do you think Rick Flair should be a part of the buildup to the WrestleMania match? New. And a part of the buildup can mean anything
Starting point is 03:22:01 including just a one-off appearance on Raw where they do something with a heel scene obviously. Well, I don't know. I think it's probably a distraction at this point. You can talk about, you know, who was it? Hank Aaron could talk about beaten, who was it right who what what record was it Mickey Mantle you're the baseball guy
Starting point is 03:22:28 Hank Aaron took Babe Ruth's home run record and then okay later Barry bonds took his okay well when I was a kid it was the big thing was Hank Aaron just had beat the record that lasted for 50 years from Babe Ruth or whatever the fuck Bay Bruce didn't need to be there for it to be a big deal I think it would be a distraction they've got enough on their plate with Sina having just switched. There's the rock looms around even though nobody wants to talk about him. I don't know if they need to interject
Starting point is 03:22:59 another legend to suck up a lot of the oxygen in the room. Also, you don't know what kind of reaction for it will get. You know, because the idea would be babyface in that role because the Hilsena is the one who wants to take his record, but if the place doesn't respond to him in that manner,
Starting point is 03:23:16 you have a problem. Well, I think they're going to be a whole lot more fucking supportive of Rick Flair than they might be Hokogen apparently But still, you know, you just, you never know You just, you never know. Let's not complicate things. We've only got three weeks, kids. Well, Jim, perhaps Rick Flair May see what's going on with John Sina
Starting point is 03:23:37 And may understand the exact amount of times he won and lost the championship, whether recognized or not, and say, this isn't true. I am the undisputed champion the most amount of times Sena's not breaking any record of mine. I'm going to sue. Slander, defamation of gimmick, character infringement, all that type of stuff.
Starting point is 03:24:01 Well, if Rick Flair wants to go to court, I know the man he probably shouldn't call because the man probably wouldn't take the case, but it's this man. Call Stephen P. News. An outlaw mud show or two. Yes, ladies and gentlemen, the man, the myth, the legend, the incomparable Stephen P. New at newlawoffice.com 87750, Steve.
Starting point is 03:24:49 I'm going to tell you, the reason why that Stephen P. knew, with all due respect to the nature, wouldn't take that case, is because he would know that he wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Because Stephen P. New only takes cases where he can bring justice to the infringed individual where he can bring an evil perpetrator, an evildoer into a court of law where justice will be administered with a swift application of the legal guillotine to chop off in a metaphoric way the Creighton's head so he will do no more harm. That's the man you want on your side in a court of law.
Starting point is 03:25:28 Stephen P. New at newlawoffice.com 87750, Steve. That's right. New law office.com Get even with Stephen 877.5.0. Steve. But Jim, before we get out of here, a couple more questions, and we'll get a song too. This next one was sent... Oh, you want me to sing? What would you like me to sing?
Starting point is 03:25:48 No songs being requested, but questions being asked to be answered. Jim, our next question sent the corny drive-thru at gmail.com is from Bill O'Brien, considering the ratings they had. and the attendants since they were pulling, when Cody Rhodes was with the company, do you think AEW could have maintained that level if Cody had stayed and kept his EVP spot or do you think Tony Khan would have just continued to book it into the ground?
Starting point is 03:26:22 So I guess the overall question is, if Cody had not left AEW, would it have made a major difference on AEW's business where they are today? Would they still be kind of doing what? they were doing instead of down to where they are now, basically. That, it's hard to say because Cody, as we've come to realize in retrospect, we believe, was, was miscast, it was not a good fit.
Starting point is 03:26:51 He was trying to, he was in a wrestling business when everybody else was in the friend business, if you want to put it that way. You can tell about what we've heard. Everybody has said, oh, Cody was the one checking the production. Cody was one talking to the TV truck, you know, camera angles. We walked through this entrance. Cody had been to the big show. And we're not talking about Paul White there. And he knew how things were done on a major league level. And he wanted to like Dusty, he had that creative bug. And he had that
Starting point is 03:27:24 bug for wanting to do more than just be, you know, one of the boys, whether it be the world champion or behind the scenes producer or whatever. He didn't fit on air because it was, you know, for all the reasons we've talked about. So he wasn't drawing them a ton of money, but I think you can say that his influence behind the scenes would have been more important, whether it would have been a more professional television program, whether other talent that were more serious would have been focused on instead of because they were friends with somebody, whether the CM Punk would have been able to coexist with the children or whether what would have happened would have happened because
Starting point is 03:28:14 Cody was a guy who could have been in the middle there. He was one of the boys but also one of the office. He knew how to talk to big stars. He wasn't like Tony Khan who was scared or the buccaroos who were wanting to fucking move their biggest star out because they didn't like him. He was business. So would he have been able to rectify that and save that? Now they're, that's why they were probably laughing. Cody and Punk, they had a clip of them on this overseas tour on Twitter laughing about something.
Starting point is 03:28:49 And they both turned out better because punk was able to get away from there and get away from AEW early where he could. walk right into a top spot in the company when it's hotter than it's ever been. And he wouldn't have been able to do that if the lollipop guild hadn't been kind enough to fucking bury him and scare Tony and get him fired. And with Cody, one has to think that he realizes, my God, if I had not made this move, then I wouldn't have finished the story. I wouldn't be the biggest baby face on the planet.
Starting point is 03:29:27 I wouldn't be making more money I've ever made in my life. And he's got to thank the buckaroos for that because what else could it have been that nobody ever spoke about? The differences in how did they term it philosophy or whatever? Well, there you go. So if Cody had stayed, he would have been more important to AEW behind the scenes. and they may be better off, but still with the children from Kukamonga and Tony Kahn being rudderless, lost ball in high weeds, he could have only done so much.
Starting point is 03:30:09 So he's definitely prospered by making this decision. Yeah, I mean, the problem was Cody couldn't coexist over there because you need people who will play along with you. and at the same time Cody was the most serious and the one who understood things the best he also needed to be produced Cody was not Cody
Starting point is 03:30:32 left to his own devices we got we got rambling promos we got angles that went nowhere I mean the Anthony Ogogo feud the Jade as great as as funny as the Jade debut is
Starting point is 03:30:45 that whole segment is a fucking train wreck and it was a lot of that kind of stuff but Cody was fighting a battle against everyone else there. The Bucks wanted to just do their own thing. They still just want to do their own thing. Now that now they don't even come to work to do it. Cody, if he had a bunch of people who kind of had the same idea about wrestling as him,
Starting point is 03:31:09 it may have been different. But the problem was you had the Cody segment on the show and then the very next segment was like a different company. Remember we used to call it the Codyverse? It was like there was a thing. happening with Cody segments and then you'd go to an Omega match or then you'd go to the bucks or then you'd go to whatever and it was like two different things it was the best thing for Cody to leave it was the best thing for WWE because where would they be right now not that
Starting point is 03:31:37 they wouldn't be successful I'm not saying that but who would be the top baby face right now it worked out perfectly Cody being slotted to that spot right now worked perfectly and it never would have worked that well in AEW? And I guess to answer the question, do you think AEW would be where they are today, give or take, if Cody had stayed? Um, I think they'd be better off
Starting point is 03:32:01 than they are, but probably not by much, because again, for the same reason, when we said, well, would Gayle Kim be in addition to AEW? I don't know whether fucking Frank Gotch and goddamn Tutsmont could be in addition to, you know, what do you do?
Starting point is 03:32:21 We do the best to bring Popeye the sailor man the best sailor in the world put him on the deck of the Titanic 20 minutes before the water comes up over the fucking edge. What do you do? And if Cody had stayed he'd probably be fighting
Starting point is 03:32:34 a lot more of brandy right now. That's the other thing. Either he may have had a fucking stroke. All right, Jim, let's get one more question here on the show. And actually before we get to that, I see some news here. Uh-oh. So let me ask you about this. Soraya has announced that she has departed
Starting point is 03:32:47 at AEW. Oh. Do you think WWE brings her back? I thought that happened about six months ago. Where's she been? Well, she started, remember,
Starting point is 03:32:57 in the summertime, so I don't know when the contract would have run out. I don't know if they released her. They just let go of her brother who was under contract, I know. But going back to WWE, should WWE,
Starting point is 03:33:08 would they be interested in bringing back Paige or Soraya? I don't really, you know, again, their own physician crew, medical crew, is the ones that said, hey, she probably ought to quit
Starting point is 03:33:24 because of her neck, right? That's right. I forgot about that. She's also... It's so funny you just said, I completely forgot about that. Yeah. So even if they said, oh, well, you know, maybe we can clear now a new examination,
Starting point is 03:33:39 it's a whole new girl's world up there and nobody really remembers, well, I don't say nobody. She's been gone to the mainstream for what, four or five years now? Because only people that watch AEW ever once in a while would know that she's even still in a wrestling business. So, I don't know. I mean, we haven't seen anything of her exploits in AEW
Starting point is 03:34:14 to suggest that she's ready to. take a bunch of those hard-ass bumps and have those hard-ass matches that a lot of the girls are having up there these days. So, eh, I don't know. All right. Well, our final question here today, Jim, was sent via email to corny drythru at gmail.com from
Starting point is 03:34:35 Ricky in Peoria, Illinois. What do you remember, if anything, about a guy called Fantasio. Fantasio He wrestled one match for Vince and was instantly gone I believe he was also called the spellbinder I was about it's a spellbinder
Starting point is 03:34:55 Yeah Fantasia Was it no that would be Freebird Fantasia Yeah that was Brad on Was it Fantasio? I couldn't remember What was the guy's name?
Starting point is 03:35:08 Oh oh was it Del something? Del some not Del Wilkes That was the Patriot but they found this guy in Memphis. He was big. He had a good body. I remember Randy Hales telling me about him. You know, when they first found him or whatever,
Starting point is 03:35:24 but he's a good body and a big guy, and he was apparently a trained magician of some description. And so he became the spellbinder, and he was doing, you know, a thing where he'd make the object appear. I don't know what to fuck, but you can imagine a goddamn giant muscle-bound wrestler that's also a magician, spellbinder. And that was late 80s, early 90s, Memphis,
Starting point is 03:35:56 and that's when Lawler first started working both Jared and Lawler, Jared first and then Lawler when they thought Vince was going to jail. And one of the deals they pitched to Vince because they thought that'd be right up his alley was a magical fucking wrestler. and I don't remember that either happened right as I was just getting there or it just happened right before I got there. I can't remember which.
Starting point is 03:36:22 I remember him from the USWA in like 93. I think that's around the time he first got there, but I'm reading Wikipedia. Rios, Del Rios, was his name. Del Rios. His real name Harry Del Rios, which I didn't know. Rios made one televised appearance
Starting point is 03:36:38 on the July 16th, 1995 edition, a wrestling challenge. Okay, it was way after I got there. He portrayed a baby face named Fantasio. Or, again, I don't remember the actual match. I don't know how it's pronounced. A magician wrestler. He wore a black and white mime mask,
Starting point is 03:36:55 which he handed to a young fan sitting at ringside. That revealed matching face paint when removed. He defeated Tony DeVito by sneaking up from behind and magically pulling out his boxers, allowing him to roll up the veto for the victory. After the match, he magically... Because every wrestler wears boxers under their tights. After the match, he magically removed the boxers of referee Earl Hebner,
Starting point is 03:37:22 though he never again appeared on TV. He did wrestle a match against Radford at a house show. Or Louis Piccoli, that's right. Yeah, I don't remember watching on a wrestling challenge, so I missed that week. but what are your thoughts on a magician wrestler in general? I mean, you could have brought him into Smoky Mountain. He was available for a while.
Starting point is 03:37:46 Yeah, that's, we were fine. Well, I mean, I can't say that I'm against the concept of a magician wrestler, just if it's well done and it, you know, might get over. This was probably not from the sound of it well thought out. Because I remember against Spellbinder in Memphis, I think he did things like a cane that shot fire and, you know, more dangerous and or violent type things than pulling a fucking guy's underwear out. So I can't say I'm against the concept entirely,
Starting point is 03:38:28 but I would have, it would be cool if you had like a devilish type that, you know, he'd throw his hand up with a flourish and his finger would catch on fire. so he could light his cigar or some shit like that. That may be spooky depending on the individual, but I don't know about pulling a fronkin guy's underwear off. All right, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 03:38:50 I magically got his underwear. And then I magically erased the skid mark. Well, with that, ladies and gentlemen, the drive-thru is closed. We're erasing the skid mark. If you want to call it that, sure. But let's get a song before we get out of here to kick off our news. song season. Send in your submissions, corny drive-thru at gmail.com. Please send them as an MP3
Starting point is 03:39:18 or an unlisted YouTube video. Please make it about the show, obviously. No AI! That's what I was going to say, we're doing this again now. We're asking no owl on this, because before it was getting repetitive, everybody was a goddamn musical genius. Usually, when we go through a season of a lot of big things happening behind the scenes. We like to kick it off with new music and new musical submission, so please send them in, corny drive-thru at gmail.com. Let's go to one of our old favorites, Jim, Rocky the Ramone. One, two, three, four! I've had enough, they're really dumb. I've had enough of these crummy scrums. I've had enough of these crummy scrummy scrums.
Starting point is 03:40:07 Crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, Crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy. Tully says, great, I get it, I can. He rambles on and it never ends. I've had enough of these crummy scrummy scrums. Crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, grummy, grummy, grummy, Grimmy Pookie, Grummy TV, crummy wrestlers, crummy ratings. Every time he opens his mouth, verbal diarrhea comes out.
Starting point is 03:40:58 He takes early questions from apologists. A rambling answer is all you'll get. I've had enough of these crummy scrummies scrubs. Crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, grummy, grummy, grummy, crumny, crummy, crumny, crumny, crumny, Crummy scrums. Crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crumny, crumny, crumny, crum. Not much substance, but a lot of talk. At least he's not as annoying as the rock.
Starting point is 03:41:37 Drink your tequila as crummy scurts. Crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy, crummy scrums. Thanks for finishing. Well, there it is, Rocky the Ramon, a return from Rocky the Ramon, and there's no AI here because of the video, and I'm sure it'll be on YouTube, a split screen, he's playing every single instrument himself. But there it is.
Starting point is 03:42:09 He does that. He plays with his own. instruments more than anybody on I know on earth. Well, he is the one man. And again, if the Ramones went to one of Tony's scrums, that's what would happen. But Bravo Rocky.
Starting point is 03:42:25 Well, welcome back, Rocky, and welcome back songs. Send in your songs. Make them good. Make them count. Inaar, where are you? Leor! Check in! Corny Drive-Thru at gmail.com. Of course, we'll be back on the show next week. And on the experience in a few days, lots going on. Stay tuned to both shows. The official Jim Cornett YouTube channel, just go to
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