Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 389: Jim Reviews WrestleMania 41

Episode Date: April 26, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews WrestleMania 41! Plus Jim reviews The Rock on Pat McAfee's show, the Raw after Mania, the 2025 WWE Hall Of Fame, and much more! Send in your question for the D...rive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:19 again, friends! And you are our friends. I would have given you a long intro, but we have a lot of things to get through today. We're going to pound right through it. God damn. I'm your host of Great Brian Les.
Starting point is 00:00:31 This is Jim Cornedge Drive-Thru. This is the big WrestleMania review. When I say big, I mean, lots of hours, lots and lots of hours of lots of wrestling to get through. Plus, of course, hours of your questions here at some point,
Starting point is 00:00:48 or probably next one. week. Here he is, the leader of the show, the leader of the cult of Corvette, whatever he is, Mr. Jim Cornett. Hold on here, just one flipping second here. I'm trying to figure out a way to turn you down, son. Your enthusiasm today, I believe he's, speak to me for a second. Hello? Yeah, that's good enough. Yeah, I've turned you down. Your enthusiasm today borders on the manic. I think, I think this weekend of wrestling at weekend, this five-day period of wrestling or whatever that they present, has affected us in different ways.
Starting point is 00:01:28 I, I, me over here, I'm just about ready to just stick my head in the oven. God damn thing is, it's an electric oven and it gets uncomfortable before it really does any damage. But you, on the other hand, are bouncing off fucking walls. I'm trying to lift the show. I'm trying to make it a happy show because there was a lot, just a whole lot. Oh, there is no joy in Mudville because Mighty Cody has struck out.
Starting point is 00:01:59 Well, I mean, it was that plus, you know, think about it. It was, what, seven hours of Paul of X speech? And then WrestleMania? Just nonstop, endless bits of endlessness. There are people, I think. think that are still waiting for Triple H to finish mentioning them. So he went through the Trenton, New Jersey phone book. We're going to talk about that,
Starting point is 00:02:28 but the Hall of Fame had a lot of problems, and it was detrimental to the talent in some case. Some of the talent caused their own problems, but it was detrimental to the talent in some cases the way that they, the conditions what prevailed in the way that they did this, things. We'll go over that. But did you hear in non-wrestling-related news real quickly? Dick Van Dyke.
Starting point is 00:02:55 You know, you know, Dick Van Dyke, Brian? Dan, Dick Van Dyke? I know Dick Van Dyke. I don't know what you're talking about. I stuttered. Did not know. That's Jerry Van Dyke. That's his brother. No, I stuttered for a second because I'm goddamn wrestling overdosed. You know Dick Van Dyke, don't you, Brian? Of course. I think he's like 99 years old now, right? He is 99 years old.
Starting point is 00:03:17 And you know what he's just, he's in the news, he's quoted as saying he has no interest in slowing down. He says, I love what I do. He has a goal to win an Oscar. See, this is what I told you. You're never going to retire. We have so much to do. 99. He's got a younger wife.
Starting point is 00:03:35 Have you ever seen he's interviewed on TV sometimes? And his wife, she's like 45 or something. I don't, well, Jesus Christ, I don't care if he's got a team of gaishas and a, fucking physical therapist. I want to slow down now. I have a lot of interest in slowing down. I'm not necessarily in love with what I do, and I don't know that I want an Oscar
Starting point is 00:03:59 or to actually have any other type of awards at this point. I'd like some peace and quiet. I want to slow down, Brian. I want to live the simple life. I want to go out in a backyard and plant seeds and farm and watch the crops grow, to the sun and the, you need to play some flute music behind me now. Oh, yeah, grow to the sun.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Can you play the flute as well as the organ? They kind of go hand in hand. Maybe in the territory should be a part of. Well, nevertheless. Oh, there you go. And watch the crops grow to the sun, ladies and Jen. Then the birds come and eat the seeds. And nevertheless, he's part of a barbershop quartet, I believe.
Starting point is 00:04:46 He still sings and performs for people who are, for all those kids that are big fans of the barbershop quartets nowadays. Yeah, those young hipsters, the young beat generation. But actually, if he's in a barbershop quartet, he doesn't go to the barbershop. He's got a, looks like Grizzly Adams these days. I get maybe his skin at 99. If you try to shave him, it might come off on the razor or whatever. Do you think the head of hair is the most amazing part about his age?
Starting point is 00:05:18 I mean, when you really think about it, in 1990, he has a full head of hair. Yeah, it's gray, but it's there. So he's got, you know, he's, he must, he's just lived a happy life. He's so positive. He's so positive. Ah, positive is good. No, Shiki. He's, he's a positive, smiling, uplifting, happy guy.
Starting point is 00:05:40 I'd like to slap him in a fucking face. Oh, stop it. 99 years. I don't want to slow down. This will slow you down, Dick. Fuck you. Hey, he's a nice guy. Leighamie.
Starting point is 00:05:50 He's the only person who does a worst British accent that you or I, Dick Van Dyck. Hey, I'll have you know. You know, Mary Poppins. I'll have you know that I do a great British accent. And I can do the various British accents and I can be posh. And I can do the cockney. What about Welsh? He's the right gentleman he is.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Do you do a Sean Conner? Bond, James Bond. See, there you go. Other than, like, saying his name, do you say anything of Sean Connery? Fuck, fuck you. See? There you go. But anyway, but yeah, Dick Van Dyke is way too cheerful for me. He's 99 years old on the time of his life. What the hell's wrong with you? Well, he's never been in a wrestling business.
Starting point is 00:06:45 That's what the problem. If he was in a wrestling business, he'd have died miserable about 30 years ago. Did he ever host Raw? No, he never did. And then they could have had Lou Albano, Captain Liu, come back. From the dead? Come back from the dead? If he was still alive, he could come back to the WWF.
Starting point is 00:07:09 That's right, Philly Jr. I'm reanimated to Albano. That was the second most. repeated Captain Lou Albano joke behind, hey, I hope that shirt's waterproof because that ties a real pisser. If he didn't say that to you, he would bring up the fact that did you know that Dick Van Dyke only made it in show business when he changed his name? His real name was penis von Lesbian. You know, that must have been like such a hit in the Chicago locker room in like 62. back in 63. Oh, what a night.
Starting point is 00:07:47 I'm telling you, Captain Lou, baby. But anyway, we needed Captain Lou on the Hall of Fame. As a matter of fact, right now, Captain Lou, if they brought, if they dug exhumed the coffin and brought the remains out, would have been more entertaining. But should we just talk about the Hall of? Yeah, let's talk more about the thing. You know, Carl Reiner just passed away a few years ago.
Starting point is 00:08:12 but he got to be in his late 90s too. There was something about that show that kept people going. How old was Mori Amsterdam? That's a good question. Can you... Can you Google that? Can you Google for that? Because now, Rose Marie,
Starting point is 00:08:31 she always seemed like an old adult person, even when she was younger. Mori Amsterdam died in 1996 at the age of 87. Jesus Christ! So their buddy was 87. Look up Rose Marie. Buddy was 87. Dick Van Dyke stiller at 99.
Starting point is 00:08:50 Carl Reiner 90 fucking 7 or 8 or whatever he was. Rose Marie died December 28th, 2017, 94 years old. Jesus, H. Christ. And she was in show business when she was a kid, baby Rose Marie. So, well, what about Mary Tyler Moore? Was she the youngest looking, most fittest, in shape? One of the bunch of them. She certainly didn't live to be 85, I don't believe.
Starting point is 00:09:23 Wasn't she younger than that? And it has here, for whatever reason, the hospital, too. But she died January 25th, 2017, 80 years old, Greenwich, Connecticut. So she made it to 80, and she was the youngest one of the bunch. She made it to Greenwich. Hold on. Maybe it was Greenwich that did it. Hold on here a second.
Starting point is 00:09:45 Look up Millie Helper. Ann Morgan Gilbert, G-U-I-L-B-E-R-T. The next-door neighbor, Millie. She passed away June 14th, 2016, at the age of 87. Boom! Because I've seen her on TV in the last 10 years or whatever the fuck it was. and so she was working to the end. What about Jerry Paris?
Starting point is 00:10:15 All right, hold on. I would have gone to the show page if I knew that it was going to turn it to the next. Well, I'm just saying, I mean, but you know, there's, what was it about this program to cause these people? Jerry Paris died March 31st, 1986, 60 years old.
Starting point is 00:10:32 Oh, what, was he hit by a bus? Let me see here, according to Wikipedia, he was hospitalized at Cedars Sinai. Doctors discovered he had a brain tumor. God damn it. He underwent two surgeries, but doctors were unable to remove the tumor. And then he remained hospitalized until his death on March 31st at the age of 60. Son of a bitch, he's the odd duck.
Starting point is 00:10:59 Wait a minute. Richard Deacon. Richard Deacon, though. Richard Deacon. This is how badly we don't want to get to make. folks. Well, Richard Diggins. Think about the cholesterol.
Starting point is 00:11:13 He was an overweight gentleman. He passed away. And I remember this because he didn't make it to the new Leave It to Beaver. August 8th, 1984, 62 years old. See, and he didn't take care of himself, though. He should have taken Buddy Sorrell's jabs more to heart. And the kid, Larry Matthew.
Starting point is 00:11:37 he's got to still be alive. He was like fucking seven when I was fucking five. He is still alive. He is 69 years old. Well, then he was, when I was five, he would have been, he would have been 11. Well, there you go. This has been our new drive-through segment, finding out if old people are alive. Turn in next week where we go through the honeymooners.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Spoiler, they're dead. It's remarkable when you think about the main players. Of that television program, one of them is still around and the other ones passed at ancient antiquated ages. I remember won Oscars. This must be like 25 years ago. They had like the greatest actors of the century. And, you know, there were a lot of like old timers there.
Starting point is 00:12:28 But, you know, for the most part, like the old timers were starting to be guys who were in films in the 40s. All of a sudden, in the middle of that there was Fay-ray, and she looked like she was 200 years old. Like, holy shit, Faye Ray. Shook's horrified to be there. When I was a kid,
Starting point is 00:12:47 well, I say a kid, I think I was a teenager probably, because I want to say it was around the mid-70s. Here, Google Adolf Zucor. Adolf Zooker was one of the early Z-U-K. I don't know who he is, yeah. O-R-E-R. No, Zucor, O-R.
Starting point is 00:13:05 One of the early film magnates, I can remember they did a special broadcast, some type of presentation for him on network television on his 100th birthday. Which would have been 1973. Boom, there you go. And at that point, it's 1973, there's goddamn cinemascope, for Christ's sake. And here's one of the guys still alive that invented the fucking movie, was in on the, the ground floor and pioneer days of the movie business and the Nickelodeons and he was already an adult at that time. And his daughter married Marcus Lowe of Lowe's theaters.
Starting point is 00:13:51 There you go. See, it was a very incestuous business, the film industry. Excuse me, I'm wrong by that. But they lived long lives. That was the daughter's father-in-law. So she married Marcus Lowe's son, which would have made would have made her a son of a bitch. Well, there you go. Well, it's your show.
Starting point is 00:14:09 Well, we will now go through the cast of Make Room for daddy. No, let's let's get to the big events that took place this past week in Las Vegas after Smackdown, and we'll talk briefly about some stuff from Smackdown in a little while. But let's get to
Starting point is 00:14:29 the Hall of Fame, because happily it ended in time for us to record this show. I thought I was the only one when I said, you know, I'll watch this tomorrow, I'm going to bed, but watching it back and seeing the people in the crowd, the wrestlers. It wasn't just me.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Jim, let's talk about the 2025 class of the WWE Hall of Fame. They went to bed too. They just didn't go back to their hotel rooms to do it. They just sacked out right there. No, this, I swear, a part of it, well, most of it was not the talent's fault,
Starting point is 00:15:04 that this was the most boring present, it looked like you had piped into the closed circuit inner company broadcast of a goddamn presentation by the CEO with graphics on the screen. Every employee was nodding off. Or maybe at catering, they served soma soup with propofal croutons. But it was just the whole thing was dreary.
Starting point is 00:15:33 There's going to be more excitement at the Pope's funeral. And they started it at 10 p.m. local time. And you saw guys in the crowd that had been on SmackDown, that had been beat the shit out of themselves. And I'm sure if they let's see, that's a three-hour show. So if it was off at 8 o'clock Pacific time, they would have started at 5. The talent had probably been there since 11 o'clock maximum in the morning
Starting point is 00:16:07 at the other building on top of whatever the fuck else is going on out there. and and the it looked like people had been herded in there at threat of losing their jobs and they would applaud for their friends and or co-workers but where were the where were the fans jerry the fed there were no fans jerry did they have any i mean there was a lot of people in the building but you only saw the the shots of the crowd on the floor i think there was a balcony but with just, you know, they cut to the boys. There was no real fan interaction. Could you hear them up there in the balcony, chirping or snoring?
Starting point is 00:16:54 Well, they also kept it really dark, which probably didn't help everyone falling asleep. You couldn't even see, you couldn't really see how many people were there and where they were. Well, yeah, and that big-ass stage, McAfee was dressed like a cat burglar. And Michael Cole at least, he'd be, He would look like Orson Wells in a 50s fucking B movie. He looked like he's on vacation in fucking Panama or something.
Starting point is 00:17:19 But they had no podium for the host, Cole and McAfee, who had the headset mics and were just standing awkwardly, like 10 feet apart from each other on the stage, and didn't know what to do with their hands. They were gesticulating. you know, broadly and so I just wandering around. And it's, they, they were not, you know, a comedy duo that was really engaging any snappy banter or repartee to begin with.
Starting point is 00:18:00 And Christ on a cracker, it just, and again, you said right before we went on the air, you said, well, when you criticize the production and the center of this, people are like, well, yeah, you go ahead and do it yourself or whatever. But I have actually been in the production of the Hall of Fame as a participant, and there were fans there that were reacting. It was in Orlando they did. I can't remember the name of the new building downtown, but it's the big sports arena where they were doing any other fucking television
Starting point is 00:18:39 shows. They had fans there. They also started at 8 o'clock local time, but there was some energy, there was some excitement. This was like you just, like I said, you piped in on an inner office closed circuit that was only for the people in a company, which was actually kind of verified by when the fucking boss came out and talked for an hour and a half until it was 1.30 and fucking morning or whatever out there. What the fuck? help me, Brian. How?
Starting point is 00:19:16 How should I help you with this? No, it was, it was like your, you know, your principal and the art teacher got up on stage to host a talent show. It was just so awkward. It was just so awkward. They didn't match the energy and whatever. There was no energy. But this was an awkward Hall of Fame, if you really think about it, the last few years, and I'm not saying this was perfect because it certainly wasn't.
Starting point is 00:19:40 They've been doing the Hall of Fame right after SmackDown. down. The fans are still there. They take down the ropes. It was a great look, but the fans were unreliable from either making too much noise during an induction or tackling Brett Hart. You know, we've seen how that goes awry, that kind of setup. And by the way, I'm not laughing that the guy tackled Brett Hart. I'm laughing at it. I just remembered the guy tackled Brett Hart. It was the Hall of Fame. But go ahead. But you know, Heyman last year. you think about him doing a speech and his kids are in the front row
Starting point is 00:20:16 and he's in the ring looking down on them, you know, take that in your mind and look at this year, they're on the biggest stage you've ever seen. They're 10 feet above everyone. And there's just no energy. It was the Hollywood bowl. It's like you need binoculars
Starting point is 00:20:33 to fucking pass out to the fans so they could see people on stage. So it was a different energy than they've had. And, you know, no disresby. respect to the people that it means a lot to. And I loved, I'll say it here, I love the natural disasters induction. I thought that was tremendous. But it's hard to take this year seriously and not think that it's just some slapdash thing when it's literally Paul Levec, who deserves to be
Starting point is 00:20:59 in their Hall of Fame, and they really just made it a tribute to Paul Weck, we'll get to that. But he's there. Like, it's not like, we have to worry about getting him in time, unless he's sick, he's there and Michelle McCool inducted by her husband, which again, you know, you look at it, you're like, I could see why this means a lot to them, but this isn't supposed to be about them. But, you know, you think of it. There's always been, you know, James Dudley got into the Hall of Fame. It's all about the people in charge, making sure the people they care about, have a moment to be celebrated.
Starting point is 00:21:34 But this year's Hall of Fame felt like it was lacking a lot. and, you know, Brett Hart and Steve Austin kind of got the energy going a little bit and they were out there less time probably than everyone. Yeah, because they knew that it was a fucking death march and they need to get in and get out. But that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:21:52 They started late. It was most of the boys and the families of the boys. And if there were fans, they were few in number or they were asleep upstairs also. And the energy level, even though some people tried, you know, as I was making notes, DDP inducted Lugar first, and they did a nice package on Lugar.
Starting point is 00:22:16 And, you know, DDP is not a boring speaker. Of course, he was, you know, reading it off of his tablet. I wish they did. If guys are going to have notes, at least make a newspaper, because it looked like he was a newscaster, trying to keep up with the goddamn teleprompter. But anyway, he usually has energy, and he tried to put Lex over and nice verbiage, but it was just like he was in this big, empty fucking room.
Starting point is 00:22:50 I wrote, you need to hold a mirror up in front of the crowd's mouths. And then Lex came out, was introduced, obviously. And they were saying they'd been working on him walking, walking, you know, some distance, I don't know if they knew how big this stage was, but walking some distance at this event, but they wheeled him out in the chair and he stood for it. And he explained that he had taken a bump, evidentially getting in his Uber car or whatever the day before at the airport, but at least he was standing up. And Lex was again, he was very honest and he's very, he's so much more personable now,
Starting point is 00:23:35 is we've talked about a number of times than he was maybe back in the day. And he admits it. And his speech was nice. And he talked about not being a wrestling fan until he was out of the business, which we've discussed. But, you know, people were polite, but it's fucking late at night. And they're in this giant stage with this dead crowd. And there's just no energy.
Starting point is 00:24:03 and it was a shame. I'm sure everybody, you know, involved, as you said, was into the moment. But again, when you have some level of intimacy with a small crowd that at least is wanting to see the legends, or you have a big crowd that's wanting to see the legends, and you've got some of the boys and the family and mixed in, you've got some atmosphere, but I don't, you know, maybe somebody, if there was even any fucking regular fan there, could they check in if they're listening? And let us know what the percentage was of boys
Starting point is 00:24:49 that were falling asleep with their families because they'd been up for three days and regular people. Even the legends didn't get pops. The Kamala, you know, not that, you know, it would bring the house down like the appearance of Steve Austin, but just familiar names that Taker, Taker came out. You know, they're applauding, but it's like, oh God, we need to move again. And he introduced, as you mentioned, his lovely wife,
Starting point is 00:25:29 who came out and talked for, I'm sure it was almost 20 minutes, but my God, it just, I don't, I couldn't even process what was going on at some point. I zoned out. She was very happy about everything. And she's painfully thin. Was there any, any highlight of this so far that I've missed that you think we should bring up?
Starting point is 00:26:07 You know, again, the Undertaker clearly loves his wife tremendously, and obviously has changed his life tremendously. He's not chasing Jenna Jameson anymore. So, and apparently it's her fault. But, and again, I understand why this means a lot to them. I understand why it may have been insisted that this has to happen. But it's a W.W.E. Hall of Fame, not the people who made my life special Hall of Fame. And it's not about Undertaker. I've had this complaint. I had this complain about Liam Ivia.
Starting point is 00:26:40 She'd be in the Grandmother Hall of Fame. But the WWE Hall of Fame, let alone any wrestling Hall of Fame, let alone whitewashing her history, I have an issue with Michelle McCool was not a top star. And they made this video and they presented her like she was a revolutionary wrestler. who is influencing women to get involved in the business today. I don't think that's the case. And again, I know this meant a lot to the Undertaker, and obviously it meant a lot to her to be put in a wrestling Hall of Fame. She gave a longer speech in almost anyone other than Triple Age, I guess.
Starting point is 00:27:17 She gave a longer speech than her career. I mean, it's astounding. So, you know, again, I'm happy that they're happy, but this is one of those things that delegitimizes a Hall of Fame that needs any legitimacy you can get. And, uh... Well, but I wonder at this point, should... It's a rewriting of history.
Starting point is 00:27:37 It's a pretending of things and events that didn't happen in order to make the Undertaker happy, and I got a problem with that. Should they at this point just make it an industry dinner thing? Yeah, it should be the cauliflower rally club. Here's someone we really like, who's here every year. Let's give him the Mike Laino Award. here he is Joe the Dufus.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Yeah, it should be like that. No, anyway, Joe Vadovus was already inducted sometime back. That's right. But no, I'm talking about not televise it, not advertise it. Just make it for all of us then, all of us in the industry, as they say, or in their industry, the WWE specific industry. You can't come if you're an indie guy. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:24 But as a television production, you need to have a, stars and you need to have an atmosphere and you need to not have started at fucking midnight and go for three and a half fucking hours. I think the Michelle McCool's speech going forever and this turning into a tribute to Michelle McCool who was one of the women
Starting point is 00:28:41 there who never look at history. She never meant anything towards the business or anything. It's just she was one of the women there and she happened to marry the Undertaker and they gave her endless time. They rushed Bill Watts and the Funks and everyone
Starting point is 00:28:57 else, like you got two minutes, get out there. And they pushed him off the stage. They gave her endless time. And I think that is another reason why just the room felt like it was dying. I'm sure there were people happy for her, but they would have been happy for her with a five-minute speech. Well, instead of this turned into, it turned into the Undertaker apparently has been watching way too much Joel Alstein or Joe Austin, whatever his name is. And he's now, I vaguely know he's some type of preacher. and that's why I've avoided the rest of it.
Starting point is 00:29:28 And that's like the Undertaker's shtick. If you watch the way he conducts himself on stage, you know, he's like a wrestling preacher now, it seems like. And I feel like this was their big moment. And just like it'll be her big thing when she's on the show instead of Mickey James. But I feel like it was for them and it wasn't anything about WWE history or anything about the wrestling fans. It was just this would make the Undertaker happy.
Starting point is 00:29:52 So I, you know. But I wanted. to correct you or verify you on one thing. It wasn't like she was the only one that they didn't rush, though. So now she was not the lone ranger there. Well, they couldn't rush the boss. But you mentioned they rushed the Funks when they were actually there. Dory Funk Sr.
Starting point is 00:30:20 My favorite part of the goddamn whole thing was the video they had because there's not enough in the public domain accessible footage of Dory Senior. But they had some nice pictures and video, and I wrote way too short. I would have taken 10 minutes of Dory Funk Sr. at this point, just to cleanse my palate. And then they did, they teased us with the main event because they did a package here on Triple H, even though there will be another package on Triple H. age. And it was a history package done by the Fox sports guy, I guess. They gave him credit. And it was nice
Starting point is 00:31:03 stuff. And then they had a, they featured in this thing, the curtain call. And I, then that's when I kind of lost interest and got pissed and fast forwarded. They didn't need, they still don't need to keep trying to justify that to the world like it was something they should have done or that was the right thing to do. talk about rewriting history that's to when it was since since they have come from the dead
Starting point is 00:31:31 to gain power all of the clique members still oh it was revolutionary it was the greatest thing that was ever done and they and Rousseau bought it and he was guilty of that also but they can't just let people forget about it they can't admit that they fucked up
Starting point is 00:31:49 and shit to bed because it's a big part of the triple H backstory you know the real thing it led to that actually helped was Steve Austin winning king in the ring and giving him that problem. But they make it now that it's the big part of the Triple H backstory. He had so much to fight against because Vince was going to punish him
Starting point is 00:32:05 while at the same time hanging out with him and Sean. So, I mean, it was, you know, it's a big part of the mythology of Triple H, so obviously it had to be here. The mythology. And they did a nice package on a nice package on earthquake and typhoon, the natural disasters,
Starting point is 00:32:24 and Fred Otman was there and John Tenta's family. But did I miss it somehow, or was there no one to induct them per se? They just brought them out there? Yeah, I think so. Okay. And Jimmy Hart was there. I was about to say, I swear to God,
Starting point is 00:32:49 I was about to say Jimmy Hart was in the audience, wasn't he? they cut the shots of him he was at his age at that time of night he looked a little more alert than most of them shave time Michelle McCool went long just bring out the family bring out your dad
Starting point is 00:33:08 but no again there was no atmosphere but John Tenta's son was very well spoken was the best speaking family member ever I think and he kept it short to the point he had a pleasant personality
Starting point is 00:33:26 of delivery you could understand seemed to be a well-groomed young man and fucking brought it in on time and people gave him a nice little as good of a nice little hand as this room was given all nights. I'd like to adopt that boy. I thought this was the highlight of the Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:33:47 I actually really liked him. Just seeing Fred Altman out there with the tent of family, it was very moving. It was very touching and I recognized a few of the kids from Darkside. Remember, they were interviewed on there, so it was like, oh, you know, it's nice to see them again,
Starting point is 00:34:02 almost. Oh, there they are again. I actually thought this was kind of the highlight of it, and this was like the feel-good moment of the whole thing for me. Well, yeah, because I, well, in Lex, you know, just seeing him that he's still, well, no, I'm saying that
Starting point is 00:34:19 follow me on this train of thought Lex and that he's still around and everything and earthquake and typhoon were the only as I'm looking at my notes for the were the only inductions or inductees in indictes whatever the fuck the only people that went in that aren't
Starting point is 00:34:38 usually coming back around to begin with and still with the company or married to someone still with the company who is the WrestleMania guy Undertaker, Austin, Brett. Yes, that's wonderful. But it's not like any other, you know, goddamn Legends Legends, legends actually got in here, was it?
Starting point is 00:35:04 Did it? See? And again, it's not like there aren't a lot of guys. It's not like there aren't guys you'd really want to try to get to right now, based on age, based on a lot of things. You know, I thought they just signed their Legends deal. Demolition would have been great to have them in there. Maybe they'll be in next year.
Starting point is 00:35:25 I saw them in a crowd shot. Yeah, they're not getting any younger. They're not in. I haven't called off. They put him in. He got one of those videos like... Wait, hey, hey, hold on a second. Hold on a second.
Starting point is 00:35:35 Darso's like two years older than me. Fuck you now. Well, you guys too, obviously. You in the Midnight Express. No, I'm saying you said, Darso and Bill Eady ain't getting any younger. fucking Darso's two years older than me. You know what I mean.
Starting point is 00:35:50 So don't put me in the goddamn Well, you're the one who kept calling yourself a senior citizen. Well, I'm still, as they, there's plenty. Look at the AARP magazine. There's plenty of fucking active senior citizens, motherfucker. I'm just saying I don't want to go in the Hall of Fame, but I don't want to put in the category of doing while it's still time. Oh, who's on the cover of this month's issue, Dick Van Dyke.
Starting point is 00:36:12 Oh, son of a bitch. See, there you go. Slap him. No, you will not slap him for the record. He's a wonderful, lovable man who's out there doing God's work for the American people still. He's a happy man. He's a happy man. Let's spread.
Starting point is 00:36:26 Put on a happy face. Come on, Jim. Let's get back to this Hall of Fame. What was the question at hand? We were talking about legends. Yes, we were mentioning that, you know, there was an opportunity for some other actual legends that you don't just see pop up every few months on the regular programming that could, have gone in, but this was more of an industry function. See, that's the thing I think a lot of fans do want.
Starting point is 00:36:51 You know, the one thing I always enjoyed under the Vince years, even though the finished product would usually end up pissing me off. But I always like the idea of, you know, it's this year's raw reunion or whatever. And then, oh, there's IRS, there's Ted DiBiase. You don't even need to see him give speeches. You just want to at least see them. And when the only sight you get of some of these people at WWETVE ever is like in a dark room sitting next to, does Paul Hayman not sit back?
Starting point is 00:37:16 Did you see Haman sitting down? He either sits at the edge of his chair or he doesn't sit back or, and I'm not piling on like you, or he's so rotunded that he can't go back any further. Well, see, here, I can explain that to you here because see now, and some people out there
Starting point is 00:37:34 in podcast land will understand this, if because of his rotundity and the way that the geographical and gravitational and gravitational forces imbalance the fucking corpulence, if he leans back, then he starts, he gets the narcolepsy and he starts snoring. He's got the sleep apnea because the jowls constrict his airways. So he has to lean forward so that he can actually intake oxygen through the cholesterol infested fucking arteries. That's the medical description. He was more forward than anyone else in his
Starting point is 00:38:12 row, it looked like if a spotlight was turned on, he was ready for it. He also may have been constipated. We have no, uh, nothing to base this hard, but he may have been. You know, I don't know it for a fact, but a lot of people are saying it. Anyhow, uh, the, the next highlight of this thing was the, the package, the video of the Brett and Austin match from WrestleMania, you know, just the highlight. I wrote this is a completely different product. Nothing looks like this today.
Starting point is 00:38:49 It's sad. The level of aggression and violence, you know, that they gave off and the aura of animosity. And not only that, but the people jumping up and down, you know, bat shit at that point because they were into it and it gave you the overall aura of some shit going down instead of, yeah, we're going to put in 20 minutes here tonight, folks. And you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah, but to be fair, it also stood out from even wrestling in 1996 or 1997.
Starting point is 00:39:29 It wasn't like there was anything else on the card like that. It was the standout match. It's probably still the greatest match in WWE history. Well, I'm not even talking about the quality of the match. I'm just saying in the highlights you see moments and you had moments like that with Bret and Taker or moments like that with Taker and Austin or moments like that with fucking Foley
Starting point is 00:39:50 or all of those, that top guy mix, you know, you can go back and look at highlights and say, Jesus Christ, these guys try to fucking rip each other to shreds compared to what most of the time you are seeing today. There are a few scant practices.
Starting point is 00:40:09 of the art that are trying. But the chaos of the thing. Anyway, and they had they had punk come out to fucking do the induction here of the match. And again, after we've heard from a variety
Starting point is 00:40:33 of people at length, he said they've given me two minutes. Why didn't everybody else get two minutes is what I wrote. This guy, the most cunning linguist on the roster, perhaps, and he gets two minutes to induct the best
Starting point is 00:40:49 match they ever fucking had, which he called the greatest match in WrestleMania history. It's perfect. And I can't, I think as we've said, I can't argue it's the greatest match in WrestleMania history. I think I've said before it was my,
Starting point is 00:41:05 was that quantifying my favorite WrestleMania match or just my favorite WWF match because it looked like a goddamn pro wrestling match. But anyway, and he named all of his mentors that have passed away. Thankfully, I wasn't on that list, although you were trying to rush me here a minute ago. And he was glad that Steve and Brett are still there to get their flowers. and I'm pretty sure they're probably
Starting point is 00:41:39 they're happier with the check if there was some flowers in their room but the check is probably the most important thing over the weekend. But he introduces Steve Austin and Brett Hart and they get a soup son of response. I mean, could it be that they just had no crowd audio and there was a balcony
Starting point is 00:41:58 going absolutely bat shit for the biggest stars in history of the business? Or was it, their fucking immediate family that was now up at midnight, you know, in a long day going, yeah, this is just hours after Smackdown. Everyone had to go get changed and come to this thing and sit there. And Michelle McCool went long.
Starting point is 00:42:18 So I think there were a variety of elements that did not make this a a pleasurable experience seemingly for the viewer at home and the viewer there. And the viewer there. Perhaps we should call them the hostages, the captives. and they get a bust with half of each guy's head. So now if they're, what if they ever induct a tag match? Will it look like the incredible forehead of fucking transplant?
Starting point is 00:42:48 Half the guy's head smacked onto the side of each other is the trophy for the, the great match or moment or whatever the fuck they're calling. What do you do with that? What if you're like inducted for a match with someone you hate? Well, but yeah, besides that, which one gets it? Do they have to split it like six months and six months? If Brett still lives in Calgary, he'll take it in the wintertime, I guess.
Starting point is 00:43:12 Yeah, but if it's like a match with someone like you personally don't like, do you want to have half their face in your office? No, I'd, well, actually, I'd like to have half of one of their bones of some description. Maybe one that I'd broken personally, I could fucking, And you know what, that would be something. Now I'm thinking about at some point. Well, I'm afraid. Besides the urination that I've promised,
Starting point is 00:43:42 I wonder if I could do a little do-it-yourself exhumation after the fact and get a souvenir. For the record. Like a leg bone or an ankle bone. Urinating on the grave was probably pushing it to the limit. I didn't say anything about a grave. I think going into the ground to pull a bone. That may be a bit of an issue.
Starting point is 00:44:03 Well, I could be at the dog park. And maybe a step too far. Or a knick-knack, paddywack, give corny a bone. Or a dig too far. That old shit stains come in home. All righty. I mean, I don't know. It's not as impressive.
Starting point is 00:44:18 There's Vince Rousseau's femur. I don't know. It would have to be like the jaw or something. It couldn't be like, there's his pinky. He doesn't have a femur. He has a female. Anyway. So back to the Hall of Fame.
Starting point is 00:44:34 The Steve turned on the personality for, keep it basic and simple. Just like his speech, just like he approached the match. And he had some personality and he thanked Vince and he thanked J.R. And he thanked Lawler for announcing it, those three guys.
Starting point is 00:44:52 And then he drank some beer with Brett Hart and Pat McAfee. And boom, and he got out of there, as did Brett, who looked thrilled about it. the whole thing, you know, while he getting was good. Imagine the pop Brett would have gotten, at least from the fancy, he said, you know, that Vince was a dirty pervert.
Starting point is 00:45:13 Like everyone's like, well, how could I not say thank you? Well, you, of course, but you could also say, and you know, I had no idea, and he was the devil. You know what, if Stu was still around, he'd go, I told you, he said, I knew it. They were all perverts. I don't know me, the perverts. Oh. Ivan Kohloff, they had some nice footage. They could have at least invited nephew Nikita to induct him, but nothing.
Starting point is 00:45:45 Nothing, nothing. Now, his wife Renee, nice lady, she was in the audience, and she did a little parade wave, and then they moved on. And again, Cole and McAfee, let's go back to how not good they were in this environment. in this role in it, I don't know what. If you're going to be speaking to people on that giant of a stage, and I'm going to defend them here for a minute for not being any good,
Starting point is 00:46:13 if you're on a stage that fucking big and you're talking to a crowd that fucking dead, and you're standing 10 feet apart from the guy that you're supposed to be trying to do in between this, some witty repartee with, or a little brum-dump or some lively conversation or just lead to the next thing or whatever, they're standing apart like they've just found out
Starting point is 00:46:40 the other one has anthrax in his pocket and they have no microphone to hold on to so they got nothing to do with their hands because it's strapped around their head and there's no podium to lean on as one does when one is speaking to a large group of people. It was just fucking awkward. And it looked like they were,
Starting point is 00:47:01 ready to fucking get to fuck out of there. And then they did another Triple H video. Nothing else matters. I have a feeling that was the theme of the fucking show here so far. As long as we just make Triple H happy and give him about an hour and a half, nothing else matters. It was like his actual matches in his heyday, just went on and on and his promos.
Starting point is 00:47:27 Remember he used to open up Raw when like a 20 minute promo? Yes. See, Nostal. you clouds my and we're not saying that triple h is an idiot and it ease of shits and a blah blah blah he's doing he's doing a better job than the people that have prefaced him have so we're not taking that away from him but at the time there was some interminable bo bo bo talking going on and long matches that was a concerted effort to get him over and now they have an entire catalog of footage that they can use that shows how fucking over he is. Wasn't that why Paterson went home? Like, you know, Vince, I think you're pushing the video was too long? No, Vince, I think you're pushing your son-in-law too much. Okay. You know, Pat, it's time to go home. Well, it did he didn't exile him to an island forever, but I think at one point Pat may have made that suggestion. But I mean, even this video, which my God, the clips they had,
Starting point is 00:48:26 I don't know how many production assistants they may have put onto just locating he's on this show and that show and this famous appearance and that fucking thing and this fucking match and that and they put this thing together to make after this he should run. I was going to say for president of the United States
Starting point is 00:48:46 I think president of North Korea. I don't know if maybe this might not be a wag the dog kind of thing where these people need to go make videos for Kim, Kim Duck. What's his name over there? Kim Jong Ilson. It's not Kim Duck.
Starting point is 00:49:03 That's Tiger Chung Lee you're speaking of. Well, and, and. What you name you like better? What'd you like better? Kim Duck or Tiger Chung Lee? Well, like Kim Duck is the first one that I knew because that's the first one he was using. But when you hear Tiger Chung Lee,
Starting point is 00:49:21 it probably is a little bit more fearsome than Kim Duck. I think so. You know, yeah. Into the WWE Hall of Fame next year. Kim, Duck or, yeah, Kim Duck or spring roll or whatever the fuck. It just sounds, no, when you get to Tiger Chung Lee. Tiger Chung Lee.
Starting point is 00:49:45 All right, well, here's Tiger Triple H. So it was 10 to midnight local time when they introduced Sean Michaels to come out and introduce the main event inductee. And honestly, Michaels gave a great speech and was heartfelt in points with how hard it was for Triple H to stay his friend. And he wasn't reading it.
Starting point is 00:50:18 It was from the heart. He got choked up on a couple of occasions. And honestly, I think he was legitimate because in my experience with Michaels, he's not that good of a promo that he could have faked any of this. And still, you know, it just, it needed a more receptive audience. I don't know, the boys and their families, they probably didn't know whether to, how to react,
Starting point is 00:50:43 or there may have been some eye rolling amongst each other in the audience with their heads down. But it was, you know, finally when he introduced Triple H, that got the pop of the night, the best pop that the night offered. Because at that point, after they've showed that video, it's past fucking midnight,
Starting point is 00:51:09 the crowd is in the show has been dead so far, and here comes the boss, you know, everybody's going to try to contribute something. But then he was there for the next one hour. And I believe, do I have it exactly? I was going to say hour and 20,
Starting point is 00:51:28 minutes, but I'm one hour and 22 minutes. Oh, I thought it was 117. Well, it was one hour and 22 minutes after Sean began. I'm sorry. So an hour and 17 minutes. If the kids today ever want to know what it felt like to sit through a Triple H main event, now you know. What happened also?
Starting point is 00:51:53 Even again, when I was there in Orlando, this was only what, seven years ago or whatever it was. They'd have, they gotta have a tux. Everybody, I had to go get the tucks. Everybody had to have the tucks. They're just out to Michael Cole, as I said, looked like, you know, goddamn, the hero of a fucking Raymond Chandler movie in the 50s. Uh, but anyway, Triple H came out and he was choked up to a few times in this thing. He shouted out Rich Herring and their Rich Herring stood up 55 years since the W.W.WF. And let's just put it this way. Rich's hair style has not changed with the times, but his hair piece has,
Starting point is 00:52:46 his color has changed with his age. Let's just put it that way. But I like Rich Herring. He was always a nice guy to me. Now let's point out some other wigwheres in the crowd. Hey, Jim, did you see Kowalski? Well, it's not like that anybody couldn't fucking tell. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:53:06 I thought he was like a Dick Van Dyke. He just had a healthy head of hair and an older age. Well, at least he's healthy and because he's older. But as, as Triple H said, if shit was really bad, call the wolf. Okay. then he talked because he said it's not about me, it's the people who got me here. And then he proceeded over the next hour and some minutes
Starting point is 00:53:33 to thank everyone that he has ever had an interaction with in his life. Would you like to hear them in order, Brian? Oh, no. He thanked his parents, his sister, his friends from the gym, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Ted R. C.D. who sent him to Killer Cowowski. Killer Cowowski. Eric Bischoff.
Starting point is 00:54:00 Dusty Rhodes got choked up about Dusty. Arne Anderson, who he was the designated driver of, Harley Race, Steve Austin, Mick Foley, Terry Taylor, who apparently had some kind of medical issue earlier in the day, but he didn't think he was there. and they got a shot of Terry sitting in the audience. What was the medical issue? Bird flu? He's a rooster.
Starting point is 00:54:29 I don't. I don't know what, but hopefully our old friend Terry is feeling well, but maybe he was, maybe he got nervous. He was scared for his job if he didn't come back and make it. In this fucking North Korean goddamn propaganda performance they're putting on here.
Starting point is 00:54:49 But anyway, Steve Regal, Triple H was supposed to be one of the blue bloods with Steve Regal apparently. Well, he was teaming with Steve Regal right before he left WCW. That's when Earl Robert Eaton would have come into being. Is that correct then? Bobby would have been after that. That's right.
Starting point is 00:55:13 So there you go. They bleeped the F in WWF when he said that. and how the fuck even tk o are afraid of the world wildlife federation it wasn't just jerry mcdivid they beat everyone's afraid of them so anyway uh then he proceeds the rest of the and he said he wanted then he when he went to the the wf he wanted to be with the guys that were talking about business in the car and the other guys didn't want to talk business what at least in my experience almost everybody in a wrestling business talk business in the car. That's what me and the Midnight Express did,
Starting point is 00:55:56 but perhaps we were just, you know, feathers of a different horse also or a flock of a different color or whatever the case may be. Maybe don't ride with Marty Janetti. Maybe just go with someone else. Maybe, yeah, maybe it was just the company he had been in that didn't want to tell,
Starting point is 00:56:12 but nevertheless. So he got in with Nash and Hall and Michaels and Waltman and they talked about the business. And he told a story about the first night he rode with him they created a scene at Denny's and took Waltman to the hospital and that's when he decided to ride with him for good and then he thanked china and road dog and billy and steve austin again and mcfolie again and orton and batista and rick flare where's dwayne uh he didn't thank him not on my list uh he thanked dr jim andrews and everybody in birmingham
Starting point is 00:56:55 And that is, Dr. Andrews and Birmingham has put more of the boys, not just of this company, but in general for the past 30 years back together than probably most people. They showed the footage of when he tore his quad and they came back eight months later. If there was ever a better argument for why steroids are good, they should make it there. Like if I wasn't loaded to the tits on steroids here, I would have been out a year and a half. But because I had steroids used for the reasons that they were actually supposed to be used for, healing my muscles, healing my body, I was able to come back. But I guess, well, you know, then, Brian, somebody might say the loophole and that was,
Starting point is 00:57:36 if he wasn't used to the tits on steroids, he wouldn't have torn his quad to begin with. Well, that's true, too. We saw a lot of muscle tears that were never seen before in science with the, with the introduction of steroids in the wrestling and the infiltration and the latehaping in the late 80s and early 90s, just muscle ripped off the bone everywhere. So what steroids giveeth? Steroids taketh awayeth. Or do they take them awayeth first, and then they giveeth backeth?
Starting point is 00:58:03 It depends. It depends if you get to meet DDP. Dang. But anyway, then he talked about the creative good God. Yes, good God, he's still talking. He talked about the going to the production meetings, and he mentioned Lanzah and Patterson and George Steele put Pat Patterson over. That's why he was inspired to build a developmental system.
Starting point is 00:58:31 They already had one. They just didn't spend any money on it. He might not have been paying attention. But that horse had already left the barn cowboy as far as the idea of that, that whole situation. But he was inspired and dusty again. and he put the NXT talent over
Starting point is 00:58:54 said oh most of the people here are you know from NXT except for all the stars that they're putting in all the title matches for the Sina and Ortoners but nevertheless it was dragging now I was writing oh he mentioned Michael
Starting point is 00:59:13 Hayes was a unique individual he thanked Bruce Pritchard one of the writers, the crew, the rigors, Paul Heyman, who he called the consigliary, Linda was sitting there in the crowd with Stephanie. Stephanie has more wrinkles now than Linda does since she's had her face stretched. He thanked Shane, who wasn't there.
Starting point is 00:59:44 He thanked Vince who wasn't there because it's a complicated story. He's a complicated man and no one loves him but his woman. If unannounced Vince showed up would they have let him in? I don't know. I wonder.
Starting point is 01:00:03 Well, and here's the thing. It wouldn't have been up to the final word would have not have been up to Triple H. And he's probably happy about that because I'm sure he gets to fucking not be the final word on some things being involved in the company and still in the family.
Starting point is 01:00:22 Here's a question for you based on not really being around him in all the last several years. Do you think Vince watched this? No, definitely not. I don't think when it was on the air live. He's fucking 80 years old and he's on the Eastern time zone. That's head shitting time. You can't do that.
Starting point is 01:00:43 Well, said this thing, if you watched it live on the East Coast, on Peacock, it would not have been over until 4.30 in the morning. And this is about 4.15 here. But he said he loved Vince. He's the father of his grandchildren or the grandchildren. You know what I'm saying. He's the father of his
Starting point is 01:01:03 grandchildren. Holy shit. Genetic Jackhammer, I had no idea. He's the He's the children. Sick family, just sick. That's sick people. Stop it. Stop it. The sickness. It's spreading like, wow, no he's the children's grandfather and it's complicated but he wouldn't be there without him when
Starting point is 01:01:23 somebody helps you that much you you owe them so thank you Vince and then he went to take her and he thanked taker for giving him advice about Stephanie and at that point I've notated that we were three hours into this program and he said he was getting some signals he's going to be done in a couple of minutes and he proceeded to go another 20 fucking minutes. Hold on. The signals, everyone closing their eyes? Yes, I think
Starting point is 01:01:52 I think somebody somebody may have fainted from the camera position like the camera guy just fell over it. I'm getting some signals. He talked about his heart issue reordering his priorities.
Starting point is 01:02:08 He talked about his daughters, Aurora, Murphy, and Vaughn. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with any three of those names. But does that, what motif were the parents going for? They seem like very divergent names. Aurora, Murphy, and Vaughn.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Names to make Vince happy. It is Murphy Irish? I think Murphy's Irish. I think Murphy was named for Vince, yeah. What about Vaughn? How do you spell Vaughn? Vaughn V. Well, I don't know.
Starting point is 01:02:48 It's a woman, but the name Vaughn, I thought, like Robert Vaughn. Right. Is that how you would spell it for a woman? I don't know. Is that wrestler Viva Vaughn or V-A-N? Well, no, that would be an A-N instead of an on. There's Von Herrick. But what about Aurora?
Starting point is 01:03:04 Aurora. Aurora. It seems like that's a more hippie-ish type of name. Well, anyway, if they were the Andrews sisters, Vaughn would be Laverne. So I'm going to say about that. So Jim will not be joining the Hall of Fame anytime soon, ladies and gentlemen. Hey, the buggy, boogie, boogie, boy of company B. Doodoolea, doodoolea.
Starting point is 01:03:37 So then he thanked Stephanie. And then he thanked Nick, Nick Conn, Nick Con came after Stephanie. I guess instead of God and country, its wife, but boss first. Stephanie, Nick Con, the best businessman I know, apparently,
Starting point is 01:03:55 this guy, I think, you know, negotiated him out of a goddamn, apparently out of a big lawsuit at WrestleMania, more on that later. The best businessman I know,
Starting point is 01:04:06 where have you worked? I've worked here. No, Nick Con is a very, very talented. No, no, no. Now think about it.
Starting point is 01:04:14 He worked there and he worked in WCW under So he met a bunch of fucking the worst qualified businessmen. And then he is heartfelt in the way that Triple H
Starting point is 01:04:29 that is and how wrestling hooks you and it's all you ever want to do and he tries to be positive and he thanks the fans and promises to keep the business alive for the next generation. And thank you, ladies and gentlemen,
Starting point is 01:04:47 one hour and 22 minutes, as I noted, after Sean Michaels began talking about him, he finished talking. Is there a filibuster rule in the Hall of Fame or just in the Senate? You know, it's one of those things Vince never wanted to be mentioned, let alone be inducted. You know, it creates a weird dynamic when the boss is the person you have to sit there and watch give a very heartfelt speech about their entire life. Like, this was a life speech. It was cathartic.
Starting point is 01:05:20 It almost, you know, it felt like he had to get it out and do all these things and thank all these people now. And it's nice, but I don't know if it's overindulgence or just self-indulge. It went forever. You know, how could I complain about Michelle McCool doing a 30-minute Broadway when you had this thing going an hour and a half? It's a Texas death match. Yeah, this thing was an hour and a half. And again, I know it meant a lot to him, but was the Hall of Fame this year just about doing things to make the people like Undertaker and Triple happy about themselves or was it for the fans and the people there?
Starting point is 01:05:54 Triple H is certainly worthy of a W.W.E. Hall of Fame. And again, it was a heartfelt speech, but at a certain point, everyone was ready for a helix sleep. Well, they have some level of duty or responsibility to, if they're going to advertise something and put it on television, it has to be worthy of being on television. and and this was in the bare minute i mean the if the video packages hadn't been there Jesus Christ so every 30 minutes or or an hour or so you could see some movement it was like watching goddamn paintings hanging on the wall congratulations that's got to be the longest one ever right longest hall of fame ever
Starting point is 01:06:43 it was just unbearable the long it has to be congratulations to the 2025 inductees to the WWE Hall of Fame. We'll see whose wife gets in next year. But, you know, Jim, maybe part of the problem why so many people were seemingly falling asleep in the audience there, you're really dodging the elephant in the room. These are a bunch of wrestlers. Some have cauliflower ears.
Starting point is 01:07:10 A lot of guys who have taken a lot of bumps. They may be tired. They may have hearing loss. And they may need a little aid, a little white, a little friend, a little help, so that they can hear the endless speeches, or really just one endless speech. And I think you know who I'm talking about,
Starting point is 01:07:28 our brand new friends with MD hearing. Well, I'll tell you what I sure do, Brian. Oh, I'm sorry, hold on. I know I'm yelling, let me turn my MD hearing aid on. Oh, okay, now, I'm sorry, am I still, am I still yelling, Brian? because I can hear so much better. But I'll tell you what, I'll just go back to normal.
Starting point is 01:07:54 Because folks, we have new friends at MD Hearing. And you know what I did, Brian? They comped me one of their fine products because we have this business relationship now. And I didn't know anything about it. And what I did because Stacey's stepfather, who's recently moved here, you know, I've talked about that on the program.
Starting point is 01:08:16 he has hearing loss and is in a past worn hearing aids and has been dissatisfied and has not been wearing them. And that's why you got to go, hey, Dan, but nevertheless, I gave him the parrot. I said, check these things out. And son of a gun, now you can go up to him. He can hear a mouse pissing on cot. You can go up to him and you can go, hey, dad. He'll go, would you please quit shouting? And that's, I'll tell you what, folks.
Starting point is 01:08:49 It may not be that extreme. It may be just a regular ability to hear. He's an extreme kind of guy. Extreme dad? He has extreme reactions to things. So, you know, but you may have similar results, but we're not promising. But nevertheless, besides that, here's the good thing. A lot of people that need hearing aids may not know how to get them or where to get them
Starting point is 01:09:15 or what to do about them, or they may not take the step to do it. Or they may say, well, I can't afford that high-priced technology, Brian, because, you know, they think it's like NASA equipment goes into your head in order to do this. They think, I can't spend thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars. It's just out of the question. They may not realize, Brian, that MD hearing can provide you with hearing aids, premium quality hearing aids that are only $297 a pair. This is not like buying a car.
Starting point is 01:09:53 And as a matter of fact, one of the comments from one of their fine, satisfied customers was these are the best hearing aids that you can buy simple to use, durable, and better than hearing aids that cost 10 times as much. That's right, these things can cost thousands of dollars, but they don't have to. because MD hearing was founded by an E.N.T. surgeon.
Starting point is 01:10:17 You know what that means, don't you? An int surgeon? That means he's into all the different things that go on in your head. No, no, that's... That's what he's into. That's why they shorten it down for medical purposes. He's in the ear, nose, and throat, E&T. Oh, yeah, he's all up in your shit all over the play.
Starting point is 01:10:37 He'll go in your nose, he'll go down your throat. No, no. He'll stick some shit in your ear. It's a profession. It's something they study these doctors. Well, yeah. You know, whichever one, did they let women do that now? He or she, whichever one will be just all up in your shit if you go to one of these doctors.
Starting point is 01:10:56 But see, you don't have to. Because MD hearing was founded by an int surgeon who's all into your head, who saw just how many of his patients needed hearing aids but couldn't afford them. And he made it his mission, his quest. to follow that star, no matter how hopeless, he made it a mission to develop a quality hearing aid that anybody could afford, and that's what he has done here.
Starting point is 01:11:23 And now they have sold over 2 million of these ding-dong dandies because they offer a $45, a $45 day risk-free trial and 100% money-back guarantees. I'm so excited about these hearing aids. You can buy them with confidence, Brian. You can trust these things because they will give you your money back. Because it's a risk-free trial. All you got to do, if they don't work for you, you have to take them out of your ears.
Starting point is 01:11:58 You've got to clean the earwax off of them. That's one thing that they're, because they have a detector. It's like one of those neon lights. No, there's no. If there's any ear wax on this son of a bitch, they ain't taking it back. There is no ear-detech, ear wax detection, I guess it would be. there are no neon lights. What you have to worry about?
Starting point is 01:12:13 It's a black light. Let's talk about neon sounds. You'll be hearing everything happening all around that all abound with MD hearing. Oh, yeah. As I said, you'll be able to hear a mouse pissing on cotton. You'll be able to hear a ghost whispering to a grave. But all you got to do, and here's another thing, Brian, also.
Starting point is 01:12:33 I forgot to tell you about this, they're the smallest hearing aids ever from MD hearing. the NeoXS model. I think it's also got one of those fucking Maserati type engines with the valves and the pistons. So when you rev it up, it sounds real impressive too. No, no. But the NeoXS, the smallest hearing aid ever,
Starting point is 01:12:58 nobody will know that it's there. Now technically, if somebody got in the right position and looked close enough and maybe had either a magnifying glass or one of them little jewelers things they could stick in their ear or in their eye, they could see that this hearing aid is in your ear, but then they would be invading your personal space. And in most states, you stand your ground, you can elbow them in the nuts or punch them in a fucking face.
Starting point is 01:13:23 Again, let's focus on, let's focus on these wonderful hearing aids at a wonderful price. Well, I just want to make sure that everybody knows that if somebody does see these hearing aids in your ear, you can punch them in a fucking face or kick them in the nuts and you won't be charged for it. That is not true, and you have no authority to give any sort of disclaimer or any sort of demification. Yes, they'd have to be. Why am I getting so mad? You're getting me fired up.
Starting point is 01:13:49 Goddavit, can you hear me now? Ladies and gentlemen, MD hearing. Yes, you're deafening me. I've got to turn you down. Ending hearing will give you the ability. You know, lots of us in everyday life, we have some hearing loss. This gives you the ability to hear your wife when she says, how come you don't answer me? And you always say why?
Starting point is 01:14:06 No, no, no, no. don't tell them that. No, don't say that. We want to sell these son of a bitches. We don't want people sending them back. No, you can turn these things off and you can't hear your wife, ladies and gentlemen. You'll be stone deaf if the power goes out on these things. You'll be able to hear things. Again, you'll be back to where you started. You'll be back to where you started, but let's talk about where you can go and where you can go. If you pay extra, then they got ones that if you turn it off, you're completely deaf, and that way you can't listen to your wife.
Starting point is 01:14:38 They do, again, they do not have this. But they get costs extra. They do not have this even for an extra cost as of present. But what they do have is a terrific price for the listeners on hearing aids. Jim, let's get to the finish line. Well, I'll tell you what. All you got to do to get the high quality affordable hearing aids that you deserve for your ears with MD hearing is go to shopmdhearing.com.
Starting point is 01:15:04 That's shop, S-H-O-P-M-G. as in medical doctor, that's what it stands for usually. Hearing, everybody knows how to spell hearing, H-E-A-R-I-N-G. Thank you. Maybe the people who can't hear me don't know how to spell hearing because they can't hear how to spell it. ShopmD-hearing.com and use the promo code J-C-E to get a pair of hearing aids
Starting point is 01:15:29 for just $297, and they're adding a free extra charging case, is a $100 value. How in the world can you beat these things? Some people are charge you thousands of dollars for some of these apparatuses or apparatus. And then people will still say, hey, why have you got TB antenna sticking out of your ears? But these things, like I said,
Starting point is 01:15:57 they'll be down there so deep. Nobody's going to see these son of a guns. As a matter of fact, you'll have to send in the Army Corps of Engineers to try to find these things. That's how invisible they're going to be. That is not how invisible they're going to be. You will be able to get them in and out whenever you need them.
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Starting point is 01:16:49 What's that promo code? I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you. Promocode JCE. ShopmD.hearing.com. 297 bucks, free charging case, $100 value, do the math. You can't afford not to hear. What if you're standing in front of a train?
Starting point is 01:17:06 and they go, and you can't hear it. Well, see? Once again, MD Hearing and Jim, before we move on to the big WrestleMania review that everyone wants to hear what you're going to say, there was a Friday night Smackdown
Starting point is 01:17:24 that hopefully we're not going to spend too much time on, but there were a few things worth talking about. Well, and no, we're not, yes, there were, but they were already in Las Vegas, the T-Mobile Arena, same place they're going to do Raw on Monday. And, of course, they got a big crowd. But this, everything has been done.
Starting point is 01:17:45 It was all done. This was basically three hours of promos from the main constituents, participants, whatever, even though they were good promos, it was some promos with matches in the middle. And, you know, I got to think a lot of these. people were out of town fans that were in for WrestleMania weekend and doing the whole thing, my God, the energy they must possess.
Starting point is 01:18:12 But they were happy to sing the songs and to do the chance and to see the stars in person and to hear them talk about what they're probably in town to see the next day. But otherwise than that, and one thing before we talk about Ray Mysterio, Cody and Sina, you know, they,
Starting point is 01:18:35 they had another promo where they can both talk, boy, and they cheered. They were both cheer and boo, John Sina, let's go Sina, Sina sucks. But they like to sing John Sina sucks, whether they're going to cheer him later on or not when the music plays. But he came out and trashed the fans and put himself over. And I was thinking at the time, how can he ever switch back? Maybe they're just not going to switch him back. He doesn't give a shit, right?
Starting point is 01:19:08 He can just ride off into sunset. From what he said about these people, even if they're still cheering him, he said some things. How can you say, how can you say I'm sorry? That should be the title of a song. It's hard for him to say he's sorry, or it's going to be. And then Cody came out, and he got booed when he started to promo Sina, but he fired up and did two minutes or less just demolished John Sina
Starting point is 01:19:40 and the people started cheering him and chant and you can't wrestle. So and then when they were finished assassinating each other's characters, Cody gave him another crossroads and laid him out. So just real briefly, Brian, how do you think that anything is going to happen that they can concoct that John Sina can apologize to the fans for what he said or do you think they'll just forget about it? I only see one option,
Starting point is 01:20:18 kind of like Twin Peaks or David Lynch. The real John Sina never came back from the Bray Wyatt pseudo world in that weird cinematic match I had at WrestleMania. This is a replicant. This is not the actual John Sina this is some bizarre puppet that was sent back from Bray Wyatt's world to lose to Austin theory and turn on Cody Rhodes.
Starting point is 01:20:45 I don't know. I like the transporter brought the evil one from another dimension better. Could more people have seen that Star Trek episode than probably saw that WrestleMania. But anyway, nevertheless, otherwise on Smackdown. What do you think, though, you know, again, recognizing that, especially Vegas, that it's a town that may not be the typical
Starting point is 01:21:09 it may not be the typical wrestling crowd, the typical Monday Night Raw crowd. Well, you know, it's the WrestleMania crowd and they have come from all over the world dressed just as they are. But still, Cody getting the reaction that Charlotte got in, you know, a regular Smackdown or on a regular Smackdown. Oh, it wasn't that bad. But still, what are you, again, the fact that it happened,
Starting point is 01:21:29 it wouldn't have happened last year with the same exact audience. Would it have? If it was seen of, maybe. I don't know. Because they've liked him for so long, and they know that, and if they didn't know, the commercials for the new television program from the writer's room will tell him,
Starting point is 01:21:53 it's all fucking scripted anyway. So nostalgia is powerful, blah, blah, blah. I don't know that this means that Cody is ready to fucking hang out a goddamn unemployed sign and, you know, go looking for work, I think it is the WrestleMania weekend and the
Starting point is 01:22:14 most willing to spend money and the direst hardest coming in to just cheer for everybody because they're all big stars and this is all a fucking happening. And I think if they go back to Dubuque, then it'll probably be,
Starting point is 01:22:31 they're still going to like Cody. And it's interesting too, this whole feud of back and forth promos face to face in the ring. We've seen several of them. Cody's laid out Sina. Sina never got his hands on Cody. Well, and that's why I've been saying here
Starting point is 01:22:48 for what about a week and a half now, well, it looks like we're going to have a new champ, folks. But that, yeah, that otherwise, as I said, it was just it was appearances by everybody to promo what everybody's our already in town to see. But they were doing it for the world, Alston. I think people like Cody
Starting point is 01:23:10 when he, again, when he comes across as more real, not when he comes across as having a bullshit argument like, you hurt these people, whatever it is. And when he's dressed like he's a fucking banker on Fleet Street, as opposed to, you know, coming out there with a tower around his neck and looking
Starting point is 01:23:26 like someone who's ready for a fight. You know, again, you can't do that every time, but I think with Cody, there's a, there's an over exposure that leads to resentment that we saw from the AW crowd that could repeat here if we get more of Wimp baby face Cody making bad decisions? Well, I would hope that the chasing the title is going to help him get a little bit more oomph to him, except that the reason why he lost it, which we'll get to,
Starting point is 01:23:59 probably going to help in that regard, that he kind of cost himself the deal. But I don't want to spoil anything. But you know what was spoiled, Brian? Is that was the biggest thing on Smackdown of an unscheduled nature was they hurt Ray Mysterio. It's like when Vince Sr. came into Hansen's locker room and said, you hurt Bruno and he shit himself. And did you even see this match?
Starting point is 01:24:29 Did you go back and look at it? Did you pay any attention? Because if he blinked, you missed it. Stan Hanson really shit himself when Jilly Rizzo said, you hurt Bruno. Yeah. I mean, I saw it when it happened. Obviously, I didn't pick up on everything right away as it happened,
Starting point is 01:24:43 and the story then transpired. What are your thoughts on this, Mr. Expert on Wrestling Injuries? Well, in all honesty, I didn't watch the show live. I watched it the next morning. And I'd already seen on Twitter that somebody had said that, you know, or had fan cam footage from the bleachers where they were helping Ray Mysterio out. They had one guy on each side of him
Starting point is 01:25:11 and he was limping at first and then they were more or less just carrying him. And I said, what's fuck? That generally means an ankle or a knee or whatever. I'm thinking, oh, I got poor Ray, right? So I started watching that match, which I may not normally have watched. And I couldn't figure out.
Starting point is 01:25:29 All of a sudden, I just realized, where'd Ray go? and I had to go back and watch it again because I think it was the very first time anybody laid hands on him. The first thing he had done, he was in the ring and one of the Creed brothers, aka the Greenhorn's, was supposed to pull him out of the fucking ring
Starting point is 01:25:51 like you pull a referee right when he's making the count. He's going to grab his leg and pull him. But what he did, first of all, Ray Mysterio has had bad knees, right? So he grabbed him with both hands around his ankle and jerked him. And Ray doesn't weigh very much, and this fucking guy's strong. When he jerked him, he just flew out under the bottom rope and he landed on the goddamn ground with a splat. Boom. But when he did, he turned over, he put his hand between his legs.
Starting point is 01:26:26 And I said, they've torn his groin. it wasn't either a knee or an elbow or a knee or an elbow. Jesus Christ. A knee or an ankle, which one would think because they helped him out, but they've done something to his groin, whether pulled it or just torn it or whatever,
Starting point is 01:26:46 because that's why he was in such pain and couldn't, you know, walk because he couldn't put weight on the shit and move his legs normally. So it's possible that it could have happened one of two ways either when the guy jerked his leg and that's why I said a guy with bad knees, you don't want to do that because you can, if his ligaments are dodgy to begin with,
Starting point is 01:27:15 you can pull a fucking leg out of the socket. I can tell you from experience, I don't like to have my legs pulled straight. Nobody's pulling my fucking body weight with my ankles. either that could have done it or when he landed on the floor so hard somehow that may have jarred something but I'm more thinking that it was the jerking motion
Starting point is 01:27:39 of the guy pulling him out of the ring but that's why it's so that put him out of WrestleMania not even 24 hours before the fucking thing and it was the first time anybody touched him in the match and what they did apparently, since he was already down on the ground outside the ring, they just shot around him.
Starting point is 01:28:04 I guess the doctor came, checked on him. They scooped him up and helped him down the aisleway and you never saw him gone. And I didn't hear the announcers refer to it. It just, he just disappeared. But I hate to he missed WrestleMania. But that was, it can happen. There's already chance.
Starting point is 01:28:26 that anything can happen to you when you're doing this, which is why I scoff at all the fucking goofballs who want to become crash test dummies on purpose for no reason. But anyway, that was that. We'll get well soon, Ray Mysterio, and they'll need you now that they got AAA under their banner. Oh, boy, that's right. They ought to make him the commissioner.
Starting point is 01:28:53 That was where I first saw him, Ray Mysterio Jr. against heavy metal. That was the first match I ever saw with him. Two out of three falls. And he was spectacular. But it's almost like a different guy because he wasn't just short. He was really, really skinny.
Starting point is 01:29:07 There was no muscle on him. And he was spectacular. And here he is all these years. Well, I'm a lot older. Imagine how old he is. Just a couple years older than me. It's been 30 years, right? I saw that in 93.
Starting point is 01:29:22 So, yeah, it's been a long time. But get well soon. Mysterio. And yeah, I guess we got to go to WrestleMania. I'm trying to think what do we do next here. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now, that was Smackdown.
Starting point is 01:29:37 Hope everyone enjoyed it. We will now travel through time to another dimension. If you thought the Triple H speech was long, here's WrestleMania. Let's go to time travel. Well, Jim, of course, it's that time where we have to talk about the thing
Starting point is 01:30:01 that everyone wants to hear about, which is how happy I am that I didn't even consider going to WrestleMania. but we're going to talk about WrestleMania 41, two nights in the desert. It felt like being buried in the desert. Two nights in the desert, I can't stop myself. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 01:30:17 Las Vegas, or technically Paradise Nevada, I guess. But WWE on the strip for WrestleMania 41. Help me. Help me. Just stop. Just stop. Oh, good Lord. Well, we saw some things we thought.
Starting point is 01:30:36 thought we were going to see some things we didn't think we were going to see. We saw some things we liked and we saw some things we didn't like. And that's pretty much it. Back to you, Brian. Of course, anticipation had been building. And then about two weeks ago, people were like, I really don't anticipate any of this anymore. But here we are, 60 plus thousand. And then you're building the anticipation of when you'll stop. talking. Oh God, I have a sudden gas pain. I'm trying, oh, I don't, I'll tell you what, it's, it's coming from, from watching all of this wrestling. I've got a sudden sharp gas pain. I'm trying to shift around to see if I can sneak one out here because it is, the pressure is building.
Starting point is 01:31:26 Hey, here's also, this news has just crossed the desk before we talk about WrestleMania. This just popped up on the interwebs. Did you hear about this? The second. Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, you know, Ice Barbie, had her purse stolen Sunday night in a restaurant in Washington, D.C., with thousands of dollars in cash, her Homeland Security Access badge, her passport, her driver's license. I hadn't heard this, no. She's supposed to keep the whole country safe and she can't keep track of her purse.
Starting point is 01:32:03 and so now somebody's got access to the Department of Homeland Security and or her passport will look good on somebody's wall or maybe do you think if they just get some random stripper to impersonate her that she can get through the checkpoint at the airport with what's call it's pathport, pathport? Yeah, I think so with their pathport. Well, speaking of purses, Jim, that's the one thing WWE is going to keep pointing to is their purse when people say how lackluster this WrestleMania may have been.
Starting point is 01:32:37 It may have been that. It may have been lackluster. But no, I tell you, you know, there was some moments here, and then there were some moments. And of course, the funniest thing of the weekend, we'll get to when we get to night two. But let's start at night one, because that's where they began. And again, the stadium looked great. see you fucking people. Where are the fuck, when they get
Starting point is 01:33:06 the aerial shots of that stadium, where is the fucking parking lot that parks the cars of 60,000 fucking people? You mean the location of WrestleMania 9? No, I don't know where that is. How many people, I saw video after the fact, I don't know, I think it must
Starting point is 01:33:22 have been night one, of just a madhouse, at least just because of the amount of people waiting for their car share rides. Their Ubers, their lifts. Oh, yeah, I saw that. I don't, yes. But here, see, I have never actually Ubered myself. Well, I haven't Ubered myself.
Starting point is 01:33:41 I have not as a, as myself have experienced the Uber experience because I can't stand, you know this, you know from New York, I can't stand anybody else driving a vehicle that I'm riding in. It freaks me the fuck out. I had you in the passenger seat driving through Manhattan traffic. It was quite the, quite the scene. well you remember when they almost had to call a fucking ambulance on me when i got in that cab to go to me and stays to the uh carnegie deli and he was driving like mario and red red lights fuck it i was trying to tell i'll give you a tip if you'll slow the fuck down i swear to god i was holding money of my head slow down you can have he either didn't get it or he needed to be somewhere it usually goes the other way usually the big
Starting point is 01:34:31 Tip is for getting you there quicker than you thought. No, I was trying to explain to him if you will just slow down and I'm gripping the sides of the goddamn cab and putting the brakes on on the floorboard in the back with my feet and Stacey is trying to fucking open the windows so I get some air. Fucking, anyway, back to Las Vegas. What were we talking about? We were talking about the Carnegie Deli, I believe.
Starting point is 01:35:00 Well, no. Pastrami. All right. Those sandwiches, oh, my God. No, the crowd and where to park and the ubers. I've never ubered. But I'm pretty goddamn sure that I would know that if I'm getting out of a stadium that there's 60,000 people,
Starting point is 01:35:20 what are the chances or how the fuck am I going to find the car that I have called to come for me or how does that even work? Does it have you ever? You would need a smartphone to be able to do this. So that may be... What's the phone? What is the goddamn Uber guy going to say, excuse me, 5,000 people standing in a fucking cluster.
Starting point is 01:35:42 Get the fuck out of the way. I got to go pick up Arnold. Well, there's a way they link... I never use Uber either. I drive everywhere, so I don't know. That would be a goddamn Army Corps of Engineer logistics project instead of some dip shit that delivers fucking Costco Instacarts and...
Starting point is 01:36:01 fucking Uber's, you know, in their spare time. Anyway. Where was Basil DeVito? He could have done it. Well, because he's good logistically at setting these things up, especially in parking lots. All right, they had a big crowd, Night 1, Triple H in the ring.
Starting point is 01:36:17 Welcome everybody to WrestleMania, live across the globe. And again, the crowd, the drone shots, the production of this thing is just, you know, insane now. they started with some goon on stage with a bunch of people dancing I think that's what they were doing it could have been epilepsy
Starting point is 01:36:41 I'm not sure one of those two things he's a record producer I don't remember I don't remember who it was so I can't help I don't know either but he didn't he didn't look like you know the good old days with the Phil Spectors and the you know fucking nevertheless the good old days of Phil Spector what wearing a wig sunglasses and Having a gun shooting off everywhere?
Starting point is 01:37:05 Well, not, but he was a record producer. You could tell that. And then here came Jay Uso amidst the people waving the yeat flags down the aisle and the cheerleaders. And down he came, they had him come through the stadium from one of the, you know, upper areas where he could come through the stands. But if you noticed, he wasn't all the way into the wave. in the eating. He had his game face on and he was headed down there purposefully because
Starting point is 01:37:39 he wanted to blow up like on raw. It didn't matter, right? But this is WrestleMania. He's about to win the world title. And he didn't want to fucking blow up and I'll blame him. They were smart with that. They probably told him, Jay, please. And then here came Guntha. And the world title match opened the show instead of closing the show, but it was probably for the best that it was in this by the people were ready to see something and they were going to be as responsive probably as they were going to be at that point in time and the evening and i don't what do you think the only the only thing i really didn't like about the earlier matches in either show is when it's so daylight it just it looks off putting on television
Starting point is 01:38:28 am i am i just sensitive to light because i'm a vampire I'm not terribly turned off by it, but because it's the West Coast. Well, yeah, they're on L.A. time, right, as they say, out in Hollywood. Because when you think about, like, the ones where it looked good, Pontiac Silver Dome, Hoosier Dome, WrestleMania started a little later in the day. It was the East Coast, so the sun was already going down. So you got the cool for like Roddy Piper versus Adrian Adonis, or Roddy Piper versus Brexer heart. You got the look where it's natural lighting,
Starting point is 01:39:07 but it doesn't take away anything, and then it pretty quickly started shifting towards darkness. Here, it was very, very bright. It was bright. And it had the windows there, like, what's the Mid-Atlantic arena I'm thinking of? Oh, a Dorton Arena in Raleigh. Like Raleigh. It had
Starting point is 01:39:23 the windows. I thought that looked cool, so I didn't mind that. But I'll tell you what, in the summertime, TV tapings were awkward in Raleigh, too, because they had those windows. anyway um i i don't know you tell me because i have the the hearing loss and also stadium crowds are hard to mic it it seemed to me like that they made a correction between night one and night two where that you could hear the people better on night two because on night one
Starting point is 01:39:59 even when you could tell they were into it the crowd was down The crowd was down, as they would Gullet would say. But crowd noise is hard in a stadium anyway because it goes up and it's so spread out and blah, blah, blah. Everybody says that. And it's true. But what did you think? Was it louder night two, not even necessarily because of the response, but also did they
Starting point is 01:40:28 adjust something on the broadcast? I don't know if it was miced the best that could have been, also it's a giant building, so I really don't know too much about the logistics of micing that size room versus a 20,000 seat building. I do think Night 2, you know, not to play spoiler here in the review, but like, for instance, the opening match of Night 2. Yeah. The fans may have been more into that than anything else, but I don't know if that's just
Starting point is 01:40:55 because the micing was better or just it was working. Well, no, that was all, that was everything. I think they made production changes, but also as well. we'll get there, that was worth being loud for. But anyway, with Gunther and Jay, the long-awaited confrontation where Jay's finally going to prove he's not scared and he can stand on his own two feet and be his own man and blah, blah, blah. And it wasn't a great match, but it was an emotional match because the people wanted to see,
Starting point is 01:41:26 they came to see Jay win. They wanted to see him win. They would have been ticked to fuck off if he didn't win. And as we said, he would have been pretty. pretty fucking deader than Kelsey's nuts, as they used to say, if he didn't win. So it was more about the moment at him achieving his goal as the baby phase. Gunther is a master. I'm just, you know, again, I think he's one of the more perfect guys in the business to
Starting point is 01:41:55 work and talk like he looks and like he should be that person. and I think he led, you know, most of this. Jay was working his ass off. He's not naturally the crispest worker, but as we say, it's emotion with him. He sells for the big guy, and he fights from underneath, and they had some good false finishes.
Starting point is 01:42:24 And Gunther is a heel. Again, this is, even if, In the WWE as transposed with AEW, even in a match that's not going to be a technical masterpiece, they still take it seriously and there is a heel and a baby face and some goal in mind, there is reason for these matches. And these are the way you create moments, rather than creating moments by having a goddamn five and a half star in seven, eight star matches
Starting point is 01:43:03 out of nowhere between people they don't care about. That's the kind of point I was trying to make. So nevertheless, boom, boom, boom, and Jay was right there with him. And finally, Gunther had the sleeper and he had fucking worked on it and Jay got a rope break, Guether got more heat on him.
Starting point is 01:43:28 and finally Jay fought back and leveled him and hit a power bomb and two super kicks and a spear and went to the top rope and did a splash off the top and another splash off the top and another splash off the top
Starting point is 01:43:46 and grabbed a fucking sleeper on Gunther and Gunther tapped out. The only thing he didn't hit him with was a fucking school bus and boom and Jimmy's the new champ or Jay, I'm sorry, Jay's the new champ and Jimmy came out to celebrate with his brother and that's what they wanted to see.
Starting point is 01:44:11 And as we said when we were talking about this ahead of time, I don't think it hurts Gunther because he can actually move on to something else and I believe they've established that he's going to be a champion. more often than not in the WWE because they keep talking about how he's been a champion, 80% of his time there.
Starting point is 01:44:37 But it actually might be better if he doesn't have a bell right now where he can get in the mix with some of the biggest stars, most of them don't have any fucking bells. So that would be a main event upgrade to not have to worry about a fucking belt. But anyway, what did you think, Brian? I thought it was okay. Not great. I wasn't really crazy about the finish.
Starting point is 01:45:01 You know, someone brought it up, and I don't know if you could really do it nowadays, or if it's the same thing, but, you know, sometimes it was better when the arm was raised three times. It was a little more dramatic. I wasn't crazy about the finish. I was very surprised they opened up with this. Now, obviously, they opened both nights with matches they thought would really get the crowd going and the crowd will really be into it. But I felt like sometimes maybe they needed a match like that later in the shows. And knowing you're going to give everyone a happy moment here, I was surprised they opened with it. Well, I think, honestly, that's probably one of the reasons why they did, because they wanted to start to show off with everybody feeling good,
Starting point is 01:45:42 but also since this world title match wasn't the main event, in effect, in this position, it was more crowd-friendly to Jay's response because they weren't tired out, et cetera, et cetera. So I can see why, if this wasn't going on last, it almost had to go on first in my mind. I can see why they did that. But at the same point, you know, they love Jay so much, and it would have made him look so weak.
Starting point is 01:46:20 He couldn't draw a greasy string out of a cat's ass if he hadn't won this thing when they put him into it, but now it's not going to be like it was the, what do they used to call it, the workers' title or the working mans or the, the idea that the best technical in-ring wrestler is that world champion has gone by the wayside. And now he's going to have to defend it against people.
Starting point is 01:46:47 And I wonder, he's got to keep it long enough that it does. doesn't make him look like a goof to lose it real quick. But I think he's one of these guys that they have more sympathy for when he is the underdog. Because he's when he's the world champion, but if he was to have to defend against somebody that they're kind of liking and starting to get into, they may want to see that guy be the world champion. So you see what I'm saying?
Starting point is 01:47:17 Yeah, I wonder if it's like a Tommy Rich thing. I'm not saying it's going to be like an eight-day championship reign or whatever it was. but... Well, I thought you were going to blame Barnett. No, that's not what I was saying either, but the idea of here is the most popular guy he's always chasing, not that it was a long chase, but then you gave it to him,
Starting point is 01:47:32 and the chase was kind of over at that point. Everyone's a different kind of champion. We'll see with Jay Uso. I won't even ask you about what to do next with Gunther. Let's wait until we watch Rawl later. But that was the open of WrestleMania night one. Well, and then they showed my old friend Rick Rubin at Ringsside,
Starting point is 01:47:51 He is so gray. His beard is now snow white. He looks like Dusty Hills' grandfather. And he's, I think, only about a year so older than me. You know, it's all those years of meditation and vegetarianism. That would scare anybody to go gray. But he was heavy in his younger days. You know about this, being the music industry and Saturday that you are.
Starting point is 01:48:19 but then he got on the better eating plan. That's what us insiders do. We sit around and talk about the weight of the various producers. Talk about when Rick Rubin was fat. Yes, when he was younger, he was, and then he got on that. Phil Spector weighed nothing. Well, Spector was always, you know, on the thin side. But Rubin was fat, and then he lost a lot of weight
Starting point is 01:48:43 because he got on the meditation and the yogi and the vegetarianism and things like that. that's why he ordered that cracker pizza to pizza hut in fucking barboreville and chris angel do me a favor look up how goddamn old chris angel is and tell me that he never he does he was old when we first saw him 20 years ago when he had his tv show on and i used to love that tv show he does some cool shit and he's still out there in las may 57 he does not look like a 57 year old man he does not look like a 57 year old man he ought to get into wrestling business. He can whip half of them.
Starting point is 01:49:26 Anyway, back to the matches. Or make the audience disappear, one or the other. Well, I'm doing a pretty good job of that. The tag team title match, the Vikings versus the new day, I have a couple of random comments, as I've mentioned, the Vikings can work for big guys. And now that they're more serious, the presentation is more serious, Vince McMahon is gone.
Starting point is 01:49:50 and his, you know, lunatic ideas about what the Vikings used to do in days of yore or whatever the fuck are gone. So they're more serious, they're better. But people were blasé about this. This was after that match and that reaction. And then, you know, as we said, the new day seemed like they were going to be interesting as heels and did that heinous thing. and then they're back wrestling the same middle card tag teams that they always did, but they're on the other side. So New Day foiled the Vikings double team thing
Starting point is 01:50:36 and hit their own double team thing and beat them one, two, three, second match, second title change, new champions, which is starting to become, a theme. But was there anything that really that any except the the most devoted devotee would have really
Starting point is 01:50:59 been into this match for? I saw a lot of people wandering around thinking how far do I have to walk to get popcorn. No, I didn't really I didn't pay too close attention to be fair to this match because I felt the same way the fans do about it.
Starting point is 01:51:14 And it's not that we are trying to disrespect any of the people involved is just, you know, they got parts in this motion picture that we ain't really interested in and are not necessarily vital to the overall scheme of things. After the Biggie
Starting point is 01:51:31 interview, if the new day had gone on a run of being diabolical heels where you had to see what they were going to do next, it'd be another story. But they did the angle of Big E, and then they were just slotted right back to mid card where they were. Wrestling other people you don't care about. You know what? They could have made them
Starting point is 01:51:47 two offshoots of Brian Pilman where they had both just cracked up because of the goddamn disrespect of having to pitch you fucking peons, pancakes and fucking cereal and shake our booties and fuck now, we've just, we've lost our minds. You know what the only problem with that is?
Starting point is 01:52:05 That ended up being what John Cena did. Well, but at the same time, they did it first. And they hadn't had that idea for John Cena to do that then. So they didn't know that they were saving it for Sina, they just didn't fucking have it and didn't do it. And they put them back in the same fluorescent colored outfits and sent them back to the same kiddie pool. But yeah, I'd like to have seen them just to fuck all y'all.
Starting point is 01:52:32 It's a new day. But nevertheless, it's an old match. And now we'll move on. At ringside were some stars from something that's going to be on Netflix and Jellyroll. And jelly roll is apparently is undergoing a major weight loss fucking deal. Is he going to go from jelly roll to jelly donut to jelly biscuit to jelly bean? Better watch out.
Starting point is 01:52:59 That did not do any favors for the career. John Popper. No, I really don't know. I feel like society is at their point where they've probably had enough Jerry Roll. Enough Jerry roll. Enough Jerry roll. He's everywhere. He's on everything.
Starting point is 01:53:14 He's on every single channel. because he's friendly. It's like the Dave Grohl thing. If you smile and play along, you could be everywhere. But, yeah, I mean, the other thing is these Netflix people. It's every single time now,
Starting point is 01:53:28 because this is the big thing. It's like UFC. Between matches show celebrities, pseudo-celebrities, and people who would like to be celebrities who are sitting in rings off. And people who are affiliated with our company
Starting point is 01:53:39 and or its corporate sponsors. But they always introduce, like, and here's this person! And you're like, I don't know who that is. And then you're like listening for the crowd. They're not reacting either. And he's on the new Netflix special.
Starting point is 01:53:50 That's why he's here, but no one knows who this is. And then they awkwardly stand there. And I'm thinking, everyone around them is just sitting there. No one's reacting. So now they just have to watch this person stand up and wave to the camera that's right in front of him for like a minute straight while people are talking about it. It's so awkward when you really think of it. You see people over their shoulder and turn into each other like, who the fuck is this?
Starting point is 01:54:12 We don't know. We'll just be on camera. Rick Rubin. Rick Rubin's like barely ever, like, doing interviews. No, he does more than he used to, but for years, like, you would see pictures every now and then, but he was kind of mysterious. Here he stood up. Hey, wait a minute, but remember when he came to Smoky Mad Wrestling?
Starting point is 01:54:27 I thought we were just talking about this. He was like Cat Collins' hippie friend. Nobody knew what Rick Rubin looked like, and he was producing Johnny Cash. And here he stood up in front of the camera, and he doesn't do anything. They just film him standing there staring at the camera, almost smiling. And then he, like, kind of backed up. he was going to sit down and he realized they're still filming me. So just turned back to the comrades, stood there.
Starting point is 01:54:49 It's so awkward. It really is. It looked like he was in a lineup. All right. Turn to your left right now. Take your hat off. Oh, Christ. And then the, they don't get, these celebrities that are introduced don't get any response unless they get booed.
Starting point is 01:55:12 We'll get to a few of those here as we go through this. but then another celebrity, Jim Cantori from the Weather Channel. Apparently the big entrance for Jade, Jade, I can't remember whether it really is Jade or Jane. For Jade Cargill that they came up with was for the guy from the Weather Channel to forecast a storm coming over the stadium while they green-screened a goddamn thunderstorm coming over the stadium. Was this a goddamn hokeyest thing on a, on a television production of this magnitude
Starting point is 01:55:54 with unlimited budget and the incredible talent at every position, camera, audio, the director, the producer, this was like cable access Saturday Night Live green screen shit, wasn't it? You know, the other thing? thing is we've seen Jade for a few years now, AEWN here. Because it was in the middle of the day and everything, it was almost her least spectacular entrance I think I've ever seen. You're saying she looks better with the lights off. Well, usually they have the whole smoke show. They have the
Starting point is 01:56:27 lasers. They have the big screen. They have the music. Here it was kind of like, you're saying that covers up what she looks like in the daylight. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying here they went to the channel that grandma watches. Hey, let's go to the weatherman to pitch in this hot match. You know, the storm is coming. The storm was, and the storm came down here. Watch us find out that guy, like, it turns out his agent was Nick Con. We're going to keep finding out more and more people that Nick Con is represented are on this show.
Starting point is 01:57:00 Watch. Well, you know, Nick Con sees a lot of money into former Weather Channel anchors and hosts, but her thing is the storm and the storm is coming. And here she comes and she has arrived. She is here. And it was Naomi versus Jade. And again, the fans were mostly silent. I mean, they like both people,
Starting point is 01:57:29 but there was nothing that was going to set the world on fire here. And I kind of thought back to, okay, this is about where, if this was Ohio Valley Wrestling, Some of the ladies, I won't call any names, but some of the ladies that we had in the 2003-ish, 4-ish era would have been over at the flea market practicing this match. And they practiced it, and they went through it,
Starting point is 01:57:57 but there was not a lot of fluidity to it. And Naomi got up on the turnbuckle, and Jade was bent over, but looking at her, but she was looking at her before she even started getting up, and she just looked up and dumbfoundedly looked at her. Well, she got up and stood up and then jumped off, and then she caught her and turned her over for the,
Starting point is 01:58:23 it took a while for them to set up their bulldog off the top rope that I think they got a little complicated, and it was something that they had walked through, but, you know, they walked through it. I wrote at one point, this won't end. and then Jade at one point hit a spinning power bomb where she boosted her up, Ali Upe and fucking landed,
Starting point is 01:58:51 and she almost really power bombed her. She was high on the shoulders with that one, and then Jade hit her finish, one, two, three. And it was 10 minutes and it seemed a little longer to me. It was fine for what it was. You know, sometimes you need to Billy Jack Haynes versus Hercules, Hernandez when you have Andre versus Hogan on the card.
Starting point is 01:59:15 Hey, come on now. You know, I think Charlotte and Tiffany could have learned a lot from these two. About what? You know, Jade, the best stuff she does really are the power moves, and she got the big move at the end, which looked complicated as fuck. But she did it somehow. But that's why she was well served being hidden in the tank. not hidden, but in the tag team with Bianca.
Starting point is 01:59:45 You know, when Y.D. got to the WWF, he had a few matches, not a few, but he had matches, but then on TV every time you saw him, he was in a tag match. Him and Tito, him and Ricky Steamboat. It was always a different partner who could really work. And Jade in a one-on-one match, you know, length isn't necessarily a good thing, but I think they got through it just fine.
Starting point is 02:00:08 I like Naomi as a heel. she doesn't glow anymore so that kind of sucks but it was the middle of the day she wasn't going to glow so there you go well if she don't glow we can't go that's right up there
Starting point is 02:00:22 with no hair and no flare anyhow they showed more unknown celebrities and rappers and then it was time for the U.S. title match with L.A. Knight against Jacob Fattu
Starting point is 02:00:38 and LA night came out in the sports car. I'm glad Steve Austin wasn't driving that one. But they talked about all the pageantry and everything, but goddamn I got a sports car for the thrill seekers at the Night of Legends in Knoxville. And my budget was the guy wanted people to be able to see his nice car. I'm just, there was not a lot of, there was attempts at some of these entrances,
Starting point is 02:01:14 but there wasn't a lot of over the top type of, you know, expense going into anything. He just came out in a sports car and didn't, went to the ring and get his ass kicked. Now, both these guys are over. The people like them both. LA night is obviously the baby face, but the people like to see Fatu, uncork his crazy shit and the shit that he shouldn't be able to do when you look at him visually and then something happens out of nowhere, it's like, holy shit. And the personality that he gives off is somebody that could very well either go into business
Starting point is 02:02:00 for themselves or just go too far with something. You know what I mean, Brian, where they're past the point in wrestling where they'll believe he's really going to fucking fight the guy, but you're not sure short of that what he might do to him or anybody else, right? He's dangerous. Yeah, they brought up on commentary that he's been in prison before. Yes.
Starting point is 02:02:24 I don't know if they've ever just outworked. Maybe they have, and I just haven't noticed because I try not to pay attention to too much of the commentary, but they said it out right here. When he first came in on one of the programs, they did also, and that, adds to it is that, you know, with that guy, you're like, fuck, you used to have a variety of not a million, not even two dozen, but a good 8, 10, or 12 of the, holy shit, this guy's a fucking monster guys in wrestling
Starting point is 02:02:56 that populated around the various territories going from place to place, where it didn't wear either of them or any of them out, you know, too long, but you can still go, oh, shit. And there's not that many oh shit guys to business anymore. So, you know, with Fatu, you have a feeling of, oh, shit. Anyhow. And they also mentioned he'd never been penned or submitted in the WWE to this point in time, which there's another example or exhibit B.
Starting point is 02:03:34 The indie guys think if they have a great, 30 minute match than who wins finish doesn't matter well when you're trying to become a star yes it does and the fact that you make a star you build a star is by him winning more than he loses because that is what a star athlete does and so you know something like that here is is the difference between the indie mindset and actual real life. Did you see the L.A. Knight? He made to come back and he did the leaping elbow drop deal where he's on a second buckle and jumps up to the top
Starting point is 02:04:22 and comes off with an elbow drop. But Fatu had stood up and he elbow dropped him while he was standing up. They took the bump perfect. That was fucking great. And this time L.A. Knight's top rope leap was the leaping German suplex off the top and another big false finish. And then Jacob got a false finish and they had the dueling chance going.
Starting point is 02:04:48 Let's go, Fai to L.A. Knight. And then they did the spot where Jacob did the moonsault off the ropes and L.A. Knight got under him and caught him. Close enough for rock and roll. In a BFT, boom, and it was a two count. And that got a big roar. They just kept kicking.
Starting point is 02:05:08 this thing up because, you know, they were dreary for the first or for the previous couple of matches, but now as the people got even more into this, they were getting them with these deals. And finally, Fatu hits the Samoan drop off the top, the moonsault and another moon salt. It's taken more of these to put everybody away than it used to, Brian. The the people are getting more impervious to high-impact maneuvers. But two moonsaults, one, two, three, new U.S. champion, Jacob Fatu's WrestleMania debut, first gold, blah, blah, and it was congratulated by Haku.
Starting point is 02:05:56 He just walked down to ringside. He didn't get in the ring. I wonder if he just did that on his own. I wonder if anybody knew he was coming. You're going to stop him. Well, exactly. that's why he was probably there. But again,
Starting point is 02:06:09 you know, Fatu, the people wanted to see that because they want to see more of this guy. They want to see him in main events because he's fucking impressive and he's got the aura. But another title match
Starting point is 02:06:21 and another title, has a title not changed hands yet? We didn't have anything within the girls. The title wasn't on the line. So, yeah, bad night for the incumbent. so far, but this one kicked it up a notch. Put some seasoning on it, didn't it?
Starting point is 02:06:39 Yeah. Good match. Jacob Fatu is spectacular to watch, even if you see the things that he does and, you know, on various occasions still, you sit back and you watch what he does. It's so impressive. He deserves a good, concerted push.
Starting point is 02:06:54 And, you know, things could always change, those famous words. But it definitely seems like the bloodline's kind of on the back pages now. and maybe we should be more focused on the individuals who used to be in various versions of the bloodline like Jacob Fatu and focus on his singles push. Eventually they'll do him and solo.
Starting point is 02:07:16 But a changing, it's like a changing of the guard this WrestleMania when you really think about it, all the different title changes. Well, and I think they're in the stage now with the bloodline where they do want them all to go on and do their things independently so that it's something, I believe at some point, however long that may take, they will get them back together and do the, you know, like the shield thing,
Starting point is 02:07:42 oh, blah, blah, blah. And talk about that history, but give the people a break from it because they've got so many other things going on now. So that's probably at least one of the thoughts that's crossed their minds. Having said thoughts crossing people's minds, what was the goddamn thought? Now El Grande Americano, who's poor Chad Gable, who can't catch a break, now he's got to be from the Gulf of Mexico again because they got heat from introduced him from the Gulf of America.
Starting point is 02:08:23 I guess they might have since they've been down to Mexico lately, they might have sensed, I can feel the heat. It's not scolding, but it's there. or whatever reason caused them to back up on that. And so poor Chad Gable is still in his goofy red, white, and blue outfit. And he obviously, because of Mysterio being injured on Smackdown by the Greenhorn, he had to face Ray Phoenix instead. So Phoenix comes in three months after his brother and makes his WrestleMania debut first.
Starting point is 02:09:01 What do you think old Penna was thinking? I'm sure he was happy for it. Yeah, he was making his debut the next day. I think he was okay with it. Well, he just, you know, my brother, he beat me. And they showed, remember El Hiro del Vikingo? From AW? Apparently not from AEW anymore, but he was,
Starting point is 02:09:24 he was presented to us on their television a while back on a number of occasions. and he's sitting at ringside because I guess he's part of this so did they not AW never signed him. He was just like a fallback date in case the regular girl didn't come through or what? Well, I know you didn't see it and we talked about it earlier in a show during a different part of the recording, but when they did the thing during the pre-show with Triple H and all the people from AAA and all the luchadors on the roster, you had like, let's say, eight luchadors on one side, eight on a other.
Starting point is 02:09:59 and El Hiro de Vikingo in the middle, almost like he was the trophy. And, you know, again, this was, and we'll talk about it with the AAA thing, again, a different part of the show, but, you know, this was a big fuck you to Tony, clearly. Beyond that, it wasn't just for that, but Elhio de Vikingo also made his WrestleMania debut with Penta and Ray Phoenix at WrestleMania. And they showed Dana White at Ringsside. He got booed. He lives in Las Vegas.
Starting point is 02:10:31 It's his hometown. And they all knew he was. And he got booed and good. I hope he catches some kind of skin fungus from hugging his orange friend. But again, Chad Gable, I love him as a wrestler and an athlete. If they had continued to treat him seriously, they, you know, they had a match here. you know, I don't know whether the fans felt same way, but I wasn't particularly concerned about the outcome.
Starting point is 02:11:03 At one point, Gable did a back flip off the top rope and landed flat of his back in Phoenix's stomach. And I'm like, God damn, at some point, you know, some kind of internal organ is going to shoot out some of these motherfuckers sphincter. When they keep just jumping and landing with their full weight on people, while they're spinning and revolving with centrifugal force.
Starting point is 02:11:31 And then Gable loaded his mask and Phoenix came off the ropes with a cross-body, but Gable headbutted him and then hit the diving headbutt and beat him one, two, three. Did I miss any subtleties of this classic Lucha presentation? No, it was a good match, probably better match than the Ray Mysterio match would have been. were you surprised they beat Ray Phoenix here? Well, no, because they are committed to this El Grande America from the sepia tone entrance lighting and treatment video, whatever, to the whole ludicrous video backstory history that they did.
Starting point is 02:12:20 They've got all this tied up in that, but they couldn't beat him. at this stage of it. So they think that's the heat is now he's beaten a real Mexican fella. And now they can send him then a AAA, he'll be the biggest heel in Mexico. Yeah, well, because they followed this matchup with video of the announcement, hey, we bought AAA. So now all of this is ours. And they've just showed the people.
Starting point is 02:12:54 because they're global, this is being telecast worldwide, according Triple H. They've showed the people in Mexico that these no good Americans are making fun of their luchadors and their people in the Gulf of America and the Gulf of Mexico, whatever, and now they bought our fucking wrestling promotion. How many tickets you think that's going to sell for AAA in Mexico? Well, I don't know. I don't know how many tickets they're selling right now. Well, they might even, you know, as Jerry Jarrett said one time, it can't get any worse.
Starting point is 02:13:29 And as Robert Fuller answered, oh, yes, it can. Anyhow, moving along since we've already talked about the whole AAA business and et cetera, this, it didn't work in 1997 when the previous Pena wanted to work with. with Vince so they couldn't even fucking show up on the right day with each other. I don't know how this is going to, but anyway, uh, Sean Michaels announced the crowd. Brian, did you get,
Starting point is 02:14:03 did you jot that number down? We need to keep that in the files. I've got it right here if you'd like to take it down from me. I didn't know. Well, I've got it right here. Get, get your pen and paper ready.
Starting point is 02:14:17 61,467, people, boy howdy. That's a lot of people to be out in the middle of the desert. When I get into WrestleMania 3, people pop because it was like, yeah, we're a part of a big thing here. This is breaking the indoor attendance record. After a while, you're just cheering for the people who made the money. Here's how many of you people paid to be in here.
Starting point is 02:14:47 Yes. Let's all clap for the money you gave us. Well, but at least they announced number of people rather than remember, For a while there, they were saying, this is the biggest gate in WWE history. And people go, yeah, didn't they realize, yeah, we paid more money than anybody ever to see the same thing. See, that's part of the problem.
Starting point is 02:15:06 That's part of the problem, if you want to, real quick here, I'll just say it here. That's one of the things I worry about now with WWE. It's going to become like UFC. And UFC makes a lot of money. They're really big. What was the last UFC fight you watch? Well, I may not be a fair representation of the,
Starting point is 02:15:24 public because since they've gotten so fucking Trumpy, I just, I don't even want to look at it. Well, beyond that, who's the last fighter you remember? Beyond that, they had bigger stars and they had more mainstream consciousness. And actually the same thing in some respects as the WWE. They were bigger with popularity before they started making all the fucking money that they make now with rights fees. See, that's the issue. It's not what it once was. WWE's ownership is just going to chase all the money,
Starting point is 02:15:57 and it's their right, obviously, chase all the money everywhere no matter where it is. That's why you get pay-per-views in Saudi Arabia. That's why you get pay-per-views all over the world or events all over the world. The priority is going to be going where the money is, and I don't know if that's good for the product. If they think even more so than Vince that the brand
Starting point is 02:16:17 is this big selling thing and they could just pump it, I mean, how much money was pumped into WrestleMania here the canvas was covered in spots, matches had individual sponsors, there were other sponsors, all sorts of fucking music being played. It's everywhere. I mean, they're trying to make money at every end of this. And again,
Starting point is 02:16:34 they're businessmen, and this is their asset, but in terms of the product going forward, that should worry people, I think. Well, yeah, at some point, when they've integrated the commercials and the sponsors completely into the programming and the guys are wrestling
Starting point is 02:16:50 a giant fucking ice cream drumstom, you know, it may be a little... Who knew they had a budget? I've been seeing those in the supermarket for years. They're sponsoring WrestleMania? Where did that come from? Apparently Nick Kahn's got the magic touch and then the silver tongue.
Starting point is 02:17:09 I like your robust chocolate drumsticks. I'd like you to sponsor Sina versus Cody. It's all part of our flywheel. Get in our flywheel. We'll get ice cream all over the place. Anyway, then they announced Stephen Amel, who I've heard of him at least. I've never actually, I don't think I've seen the things he's on, but I've heard his name, a UFC guy and Dana White again and he got booed again.
Starting point is 02:17:38 I don't think he ought to be walking around Vegas unaccompanied. Yeah, why they give him two different introductions? Well, they didn't introduce him twice. The first time they just put him on camera, I think, accidentally. maybe he was sitting in the wrong seat or somebody else had left to go piss. I don't know, but it was, he got booed twice, so they didn't get tired of it. And then the women's championship match that we've all been waiting for, is this going to be the last, the last true shoot match since Londos and Lewis?
Starting point is 02:18:15 Tiffy, Stratton, and Charlotte Flair. and again this was actually probably the cutest. I say the word cute. Now I'm saying the word cute. I'm dying to hear where this is going. Cute when related to a wrestling show review. But this was probably the cutest entrance that they did were they play in the music and on the stage there,
Starting point is 02:18:44 the big set, the big megal, it looked like the fucking front cover of the, VHS of Metropolis, the big building set they got there. And there's three boxes. And Tiffy looks like a Barbie doll in her box in different outfits in each one of them. And she's moving and grooving and dancing and telling me. I'm sorry, she's a dancing machine. And she's in the boxes.
Starting point is 02:19:13 And which one that she can't, they can't all be real. are all these videos is some real? You can't tell the difference. It was an amazing bit of slight of video until finally Tiffy came, the real Tiffy came out of the middle box and instantly she was over, Brian.
Starting point is 02:19:34 Oh, stop it. Oh, give me a... Well, she came out of a box. You have nothing to do with your concept. You cannot apply that to this. I certainly can't. There was a window. The box had a window. None of the boxes and your references in the past, had windows. I have never excluded the possibility of a box having a window. It's not my fault.
Starting point is 02:19:55 It's still a box-like structure. Whether it's not my fault. It's not my fault that the other boxes have been constructed, not up to building code. But the box, nevertheless, she came out of the box, whether it had a window or not, she's over. The only thing is it opened like a door. I think, think the window should have slid up like the old peep shows where you had to put another fucking token in to get the window to slide back up so you can see that what you were trying to, well, you've had that happen many times. I don't know what you're talking about. You think she's over now, when do they start billing her as the woman with three boxes? She could headline Mitchell brothers. Anyway, so she got to the ring and Charlotte got to the ring
Starting point is 02:20:45 and I see what they were trying to do. But unfortunately, the women's match of the weekend was yet to come. It wasn't this one. But they tried to work a fight to capitalize, and especially at the start, where they were really going at each other and the hair pulling and rolling around. They tried to work a fight based on the legitimate,
Starting point is 02:21:17 apparently animosity that got out that people know that they have or had. And the element of is this going to get out of control and is somebody not going to cooperate? But it's this, neither way, Charlotte's strong point is not fighting. It's the wrestling, the athletic part of the wrestling. And Tiffy is a scrappy young thing full of piss and vinegar. But she's not that experience. it looked like a struggle over tips at the gold club in some spots. But again, the fans were into this because of the animosity and the,
Starting point is 02:21:59 you know, the way it was incorporated into the buildup. Charlotte works like a heel. Tiffy is, Tiffy acts in every way like a classic heel, but people like her, especially against Charlotte. So the, the dynamic is working there. Charlotte got a lot of heat. At one point, they went into a series where I don't know what they were actually doing. And then they each worked on the other's leg.
Starting point is 02:22:31 And then they had an awkward back and forth with a couple of false finishes in there. And suddenly Tiffany hit the moonsault. And one, two, three. It got a big pop. But I'm not sure that I really felt like that was, you know how you can feel in a big match when a finish is coming and, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, this was kind of like, huh? Oh, 20 minutes bell to bell.
Starting point is 02:23:05 Probably could have been shorter. What'd you think? Yeah, I didn't think it was very good at all. It didn't work. If that's the way we're going to put it, it didn't work. It didn't connect. It looks sloppy at times. They weren't on the same page at times.
Starting point is 02:23:19 you know, expectations were high because of the promo. And it just didn't, it didn't hit. And it's going to be really curious what happens now because I think everyone's looking right at Charlotte. You know, Tiffany's young and Tiffany's over. So whatever Charlotte does next is going to be very interesting. You know, again, it's been a while since we've seen a really good Charlotte match. This wasn't it.
Starting point is 02:23:46 Yeah. And I admit that also, because even though that I think that she is or, and again, it's not like she's goddamn 15 years older than she was a few years ago. She had some great matches. She has had a knee injury. But I'm not going to, I'm not going to say that this was good just because Charlotte was in it when it wasn't particularly that good. But it wasn't her, her forte, her flywheeler. It wasn't their flywheel.
Starting point is 02:24:18 I don't know if it was either one of their fly wheels. I think the wheel fell off. Anyhow, you know what that means now? It's time, Brian, for the Hall of Fame package and the introductions of the people that were inducted into the Hall of Fame and the only one that wasn't there was the package. Is this story legitimate that you told me right before we went on the air?
Starting point is 02:24:49 Folks, just so you know, when they introduced the Hall of Fame inductees, Stone Cold Steve Austin was out there, Brett Hart was out there, Brett looked like he was having the time of his life. He just looked thrilled. Everybody was out there except Lex Lugar. And what was the reason given, or has this reason been verified or validated or whatever yet? I have not heard any validation, so we will say the two things we heard. One, as referenced, I guess, at the Hall of Fame, that he took a bump, we'll call it. He took a fall?
Starting point is 02:25:25 I don't know what it really is. He took a bump the day before, and obviously in the... And not on purpose. Right. Obviously, yes. And obviously in the physical condition he's in, that's a thing. The other rumor was that Russell Con paid better than WrestleMania, and that's why he wasn't there. But I don't know.
Starting point is 02:25:46 well we need to know did he make an appearance at wrestle con and then that according i have something here fightful reported that lugar was still in Vegas on saturday april 19th and he was said to have visited with friends well now that could have been at the hospital i mean you know that doesn't really tell us anything but if he was outside an autographs at rest of bunny ranch well now hold on now i got to visit with some friends i think his his good friend Odom would have told him not to go out there. But, no, Lex is a kind and decent Christian man. But point being, if he was at an appearance signing autographs at or approximately the same time
Starting point is 02:26:34 that he would have been standing out there getting introduced, then that might be a story. We need to check in on that somehow. Anyway, they got a big pop for AAA. also on that one, by the way. They expected him there, but he showed up on a show on TNT instead. He just walked out. What a throwback.
Starting point is 02:26:57 That Lex Luger. Oh, God, you know who had got, if I had been the WWE, I would have fucking set that up somehow just to have that happen, just for that to just be fucking seen. That is hilarious. Oh, my God. Imagine they did like a heel turn, like he's out there. and he just like, let's go with the brakes of his wheelchair
Starting point is 02:27:18 and just pushes Dallas Page right off the stage. He would have so much heat. People would go crazy. And he could do the Ron Wright gimmick. You know what? Instead of Mr. Ron Wright, Mr. Lex Lugar. All right, well, now the time that we have all been waiting for, ladies and gentlemen, the match we've all been waiting for,
Starting point is 02:27:43 the last one, of night number one, the real main event of this thing, the triple threat match, CM Punk, Roman Raines, Seth Franklin Rollins. Each one of them is animosity toward the other and the wild card, our friend Happy Heyman, Paul Heyman, to return the favor to CM Punk for et cetera, et cetera. everybody knows this story. He's going to be in Punk's corner.
Starting point is 02:28:19 But he has sworn he would never be disloyal to his best friend or his tribal chief. And so what's going to happen? His unnamed best friend from his biography, he'll never be disloyal to Eddie Gilbert. And the, the, again, major entrance here, I thought they'd gone to AEW at this point. Seth came out in a giant hefty trash bag,
Starting point is 02:28:52 apparently with some kind of safety suit, because he also had a flamethrower. And he was shooting the goddamn flame thrower, burn it down, and he's shooting the flame thrower around, and the fans get into the big sing-along with the, whoa, whoa. And then he drops the hefty bag, and he's dressed all in white. Was that, Brian, back at your flame-throwing days,
Starting point is 02:29:19 was that a safety suit he was wearing at first or just another weird outfit? I really don't know what goes on in the world of Franklin. It's kind of just anything to get attention to hide the fact that my gimmick is just that I'm a whiny guy. I don't know what this is. But anyway, so he had that, you know, the flamethrower, and then Roman came out under his own power, but alone.
Starting point is 02:29:43 He was the picture of a lone. and then after Roman they did a punk video that they put on a screen and it was juxtaposing punk's days in ovw over here at 4,400 Shepherdsville Road everybody knows that address in the Davis arena to punk today and actually I like the part best where the 25 year old punk they were showing clips from things he had said. said in his interviews and the 45-year-old punk was still saying the same thing and they blended it together. I thought that was fucking cool.
Starting point is 02:30:24 And then the highlights of his previous, you know, sojourn in WWE and tonight's my main event. And then they got the chance going and then, like most leaning by living color. themselves, the real ones, and I guess the singer's old as dirt now, and Kennedy. So how old is, because I still think of these guys as these vibrant rock stars in living color, is the lead singer he looked more like George Clinton in his final days, Vernon Reed, right? How old a man is he? Vernon Reed is 66 years old. Jesus Christ. he's older than me,
Starting point is 02:31:22 but they were on top of the 90s. I was on top of the 80s, almost in the 70s. Well, they were on top in the late 80s, wasn't it? Maybe it was the late 80s, but still, how old were they then? Well, not everyone was a child prodigy like you that just broke in and took off in the business. Me and Jackie Coogan.
Starting point is 02:31:44 Really? We're going all the way back now. Well. All right. You got to go back to the originator. So they're playing the music that I've just quoted earlier. And then here punk appears and behind him or beside him coming out with him. Direct from Marvel Comics, the Kingpin. Oh, no, no, it was Paul Heyman.
Starting point is 02:32:16 And they go to the rink big. Big C-M punk chance, big cheers. You know, of all of the participants in this, they've decided punk's the baby face, right? The people have. So this was the reaction there. And I got to be honest with you. I think from now on I need to watch the main event on these shows first
Starting point is 02:32:42 and then go back and suffer through the rest of it. Because if I did that, I might like more of the rest. of the show because it was three and a half hours into this pay-per-view before this match got in the ring and this was the one I really wanted to see. So it takes the edge off things a bit. But I've been trying to figure out, yeah, I mean, I'm not going to go move for move or try to give a description of this like, well, they did this and they did that. It's what they did that, it's what they didn't do that I liked about this match. The things that everybody else does that I don't like about the matches.
Starting point is 02:33:26 It was a three-way, but they weren't doing the choreographed alley-oop, cute, a three-way combination shift that just is implausible. And people just, you know, they like the movement, but it's not like stars having a fight. It's cute. It's choreographed. They didn't do that. Punk and Seth did what every
Starting point is 02:33:54 AEW garbage match does. They went over the rail and they went and they fought out in the back of the arena. On the floor behind ringside or whatever. And then the stadium, not the arena. But you know what they didn't do is they didn't walk fight. They didn't fucking throw fake punches in the vicinity of somebody's ribs. they didn't make it funny. They were throwing punches to each other's face.
Starting point is 02:34:22 They were hitting each other with the garbage can and the fucking plastic trash bucket and the shit that they were fighting past. They seemed serious about it. Their shit didn't look unprofessional. All of the things that you don't normally like about a three-way because it's somebody's diving everywhere and then two other guys standing there to catch him.
Starting point is 02:34:47 This looked like they meant it. They were all mad at each other and they were grown men at various points shining over the other two guys. It wasn't ridiculous. It seemed halfway plausible for somebody who would want to lose themselves in the thing. And then, because Heyman, obviously, Not only involved, but a lot of these guys have had a lot of experience themselves.
Starting point is 02:35:20 They went to the big fucking false finishes, and they all kept registering, and everybody's in the right place. There's no, you know, fucking, oh shit, almost lost him, or goddamn, that fucked up, or the furniture that was supposed to be cooperating with them fell apart. and you know so they i liked the things about this match that they didn't do that you see in other kinds of matches like this and again the fans were into it and they were hanging on this thing and they couldn't call it and they went back and forth and again i encourage everybody instead of me saying oh then they did this they'd go back and watch it but finally punk had fucking given Seth the GTS, boom.
Starting point is 02:36:14 And then Roman immediately speared punk, boom. But then as Roman was trying to roll over from that, Seth had got the stomp on him, boom. And all of them were down. And that's when Happy Heyman came into play. He went over and he got a chair and he comes to the apron of the ring. And both Roman and punk want the chair from. Paul and as they're laying there, they each look up
Starting point is 02:36:45 and then they look at kind of each other too. And fucking boom, Haman slides it to punk. But as punk gets up and is advancing on Roman, Paul gets in behind
Starting point is 02:37:02 and that shots punk. Oh, got it. And he drops the chair. And now Romans like, yeah. and Paul gives the chair to Roman and Roman gets up and fucking bashes punk with that chair three times over the back a wham, quam, quam, quamam.
Starting point is 02:37:28 And then Paul points at Seth. And Roman turns to Seth and Paul's right behind Roman and he drops down. Well, this was the perfect thing too because it all went back to the original breakup of the shield. where Seth was behind Roman and hit him with the chair. Yes. This was a perfect way to bring that full circle
Starting point is 02:37:51 and for Roman to get his revenge. But it was not to be. Those plans were foiled, Brian, because Heyman, who has never been as unerring in his aim on people's balls as he was this night, he'd drop down behind Roman and nutshot at him, and Roman drops the chair and then without turning around,
Starting point is 02:38:20 Seth gets a smile on his face. Of course, he had the benefit that the direction he was looking. I believe he could look at that giant screen. But without even turning around, he holds his hand out and Paul picks the chair up and gives Seth the chair. And I wrote at that point, this would be so much better without the referee standing there watching. and I know it's no disqualification and everybody knows that you can't lose a triple threat on DQ, whatever, but God damn it,
Starting point is 02:38:58 it gets more heat if the referee's not standing there staring at it. However, Seth got the chair, milked it for a while, hit Roman in the back with the chair, gave him the curb stomp, boom, one, two, three, and then Haman raised Seth Franklin Rollins' his hand. Forever, forever, forever cementing in people's minds as a duo, the picture, the meme that they have sent out of who was it,
Starting point is 02:39:35 heath Slater, whoever, Heath Ledger, whoever, and the guy to the Joker and Batman and the Penguin, Oswald, Cobble Popper, and now we've got the fucking Joker and the goddamn penguin. Bravo, I say. What'd you think? I thought the match was okay. I thought the series of events.
Starting point is 02:40:00 Oh, yeah. After all this other shit that we've had to muddle through, you thought this was just okay? There was no match that really blew me away on night one. I thought this was good, but I thought the last five minutes or so were really good. You know, Heyman, if you're watch, he kind of eyed
Starting point is 02:40:16 when he was standing next to Roman Rains his eyes went to where he was about to go so he gave it away and the camera missed originally Rollins putting his hand back the dramatic moment
Starting point is 02:40:29 where Heyman gives him the chair was a cool moment but I thought it was good I thought it was really good what did I say before I thought it was a very good match I thought the ending was really good
Starting point is 02:40:44 and we'll see where they go, Heyman with Rollins. If that means Rollins doesn't have to talk, that'd be wonderful. And Punk and Roman Raines now have a reason to commiserate together, we'll see, but what did you think? What did you think of the way they handled this
Starting point is 02:41:01 after years of him and Roman Raines, and obviously him and punk was on off because of punk not being there, but what'd you think? I am trusting that Paul will have some legitimate way to explain everything on Raw, which has not happened yet, which is why we haven't seen it. I said Paul needs to be a heel to be important in the overall scheme of things on a long-term basis, and I think he realizes that, and this was time to do it.
Starting point is 02:41:33 And everybody was kind of looking at either Roman or punk because of the connection with Heyman, so Seth winning was somewhat shocking to everybody except you. But I think now the way this has played out at least now, I'm thinking that punk may be headed toward Sina and let Roman and Seth settle this business, but with punk vowing to at some point return the favor that he now owes Paul what do you think
Starting point is 02:42:22 I don't know I hadn't even thought about punk and Sina that's very interesting there you know he always said Haman's big thing was he has all these great ideas there's no ending look at the bloodline there's no ending it just died off well it didn't die off it faded away you know it's interesting with Rollins
Starting point is 02:42:40 because Rollins may be the last guy, I guess, of that group, that generation for Haman to manage. You've got to think the next person will be a younger wrestler needing to be elevated or needing to be legitimized the way punk was with Haman, the way Roman Rains was. Roman Rains was pushed to the top, and everyone knew he was a Vince handpig guy and the crowd rejected him. It was really Haman that got Roman Rains over that barrier. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:43:08 So, you know, we've always talked about, you know, he likes Bronbreaker or whatever it may be. I don't know if he needs a manager right now, but you got to figure with Rollins, because Rollins has already made, he's not making Rollins. This may be the last guy for Hayman to manage before he manages a new crop of people, assuming he will.
Starting point is 02:43:25 Well, assuming, because again, you know, cholesterol is a hell of a fucking disease. And you never know, at any point, something might break loose in one of fucking Paul's arteries or capillaries, and fuck, then, parts of him would land everywhere.
Starting point is 02:43:46 Anyhow. It was a big building. Well, then some people would have been safe, but I bet he would have reached at least row 15 of the fucking mezzanine. Think about that pressure. Suddenly, all right. Well, speaking of pressure, that was night one of WrestleMania and, of course, Jim.
Starting point is 02:44:09 Yes. Coming out of that event? Yes. T-shirts, shirts, programs, all sorts of t-shirts and shirts. Those are the same thing. Shirts, programs, hats. T-shirts, T-shirts. Sometimes you can wear a shirt on your ass for pants.
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Starting point is 02:45:36 I think Shopify would love to help you set the site up. I think Shopify wants nothing to do with this example whatsoever, but what Shopify is there for, is for you to take all your, Vegas winning's home, start a business, sell your products. You need the right partner online, someone who can help you with your inventory. Someone can help you with your sales. Someone can help you with your platform. Your platform. A store that anyone can find. Your checkout. Yes. You need help with all of that stuff. As a matter of fact, if you win a lot of money in Las Vegas,
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Starting point is 02:48:44 We are in, well, it's actually the same day. We haven't really traveled anywhere, but we've come out of the shop and we're about to go into night two of WrestleMania, which I must say had a very promising start but we'll get there shortly but WrestleMania 41 night two
Starting point is 02:49:02 well and as again as I said earlier in a program the crowd was definitely more into more of this they were louder than night one and I think they may have made some production tweaks
Starting point is 02:49:17 also because it seems like that that came across better on the broadcast, at least the one I saw. But they had a big moment to kick off Saturday night with Jay and Gunther, even though it wasn't a classic match, but this match tore the house down. The women's title, one of them, Triple Threat E.O. And Bianca and Ria Ripley. And I'm sorry, everybody, oh, but he owes Sky Soccer. yes, she can do a bunch of moves.
Starting point is 02:49:53 She didn't get in the way of this match. She was right there. They liked her, so she added to it. But visually, to me, I'm sorry. Bianca was a great heel and took great bumps here and did aggressive shit. And Ria's a star and is a tremendous worker and takes great bumps and did great shit.
Starting point is 02:50:13 And EO looks like a child that wandered away from a parade. And I think part of it is just the visual in that the girl, it's so indie to me, the girls that are just presented as so cute and schoolgirly and pixie-ish or whatever the fuck. She's not presented as any of those things. She's got the frilly outfit, she's got the smile, and then she overacts and whatever the fuck. I don't, I'm sorry. I can't I can't buy her in a fight with Bianca
Starting point is 02:50:53 I buy her carrying a lollipop with a small dog on a leash She's a small baby face Who has to overcome the odds To find a way to beat bigger opponents And she and she dressed like she wandered away From a parade Again, I don't
Starting point is 02:51:08 They all have funny outfits I mean, I rea dressed like she wandered away From Plato's retreat I mean what do you want? Yes, she looks like she's on the board of directors of a massage party So, I mean, they all, they all, it's wrestling. Everyone has got their outfit.
Starting point is 02:51:21 I mean, what are you? Now I'm defending the seam series. I don't know what you're saying. Eo's good. Eo is really good. Well, and also, I like Bianca and Ria's work. They're laying shit in. Hey, yes.
Starting point is 02:51:37 I've been saying it to you for a while and you've been seeing it a little more, but now that you've watched this match, what do you think of Bianca has a heel? I think she's going to be great. because and she was starting she wasn't full out fuck you everybody and flipping everybody off but she was patting her ass a little bit at him and she was heelish with Ria
Starting point is 02:51:57 and I think that's you know that's gonna be a freshen up for Bianca because remember I think the thing that I dislike the most was the skipping and smiling and hair twirling I mean even as a baby face she was if you had run over her family and set them all on fire. The next week she would have come out to the ring,
Starting point is 02:52:19 skipping and smiling. That's right, yeah. So, but I'm just, to me, Bianca and Ria, they mean it. They're fighting. I can, they're laying their shit in. Eo does the, the pretty gymnastics, flippy things with the weird facials. But they were into, they were doing good, false finishes with the timing perfect on the saves on all of their parts.
Starting point is 02:52:51 And this thing built and the people were into it. And they all worked their ass off. And then EO tried the reverse Hurricane Rana off the turnbuckle, but Rhea blocked it. It just pulled her forward over her shoulder and slammed her on the fucking ring post. Boom. And that hung her up on the top rope. So then Bianca got Ria up for her finish, but Ria blocked it.
Starting point is 02:53:20 They had a slug fast. Bianca hit her finish and covered. But Eo came off the top rope with a moonsault and broke the cover by landing on both of them. Which, again, that's a lot of trust. I don't know where these elbows are coming. And when it broke the cover, EO rolled over and covered Bianca. Boom, one, two, three.
Starting point is 02:53:45 So as they had again, I liked the way they used EO in this because they had been disrespecting her in the promos from the start when Bianca and Ria would be nattering at each other. And they'd just pie face her out of the way. And everybody was thinking the announcers even said, well, Eio doesn't have to be pinned to lose the title in this instance. And they were setting it up to be one of the other two girls. and E.O. won it.
Starting point is 02:54:16 But it leaves this open, and I almost have to think that Bianca's going to blame Ria, and we're getting that out of this. Aren't we? Don't we? Shouldn't we? Well, also, I guess Bianca and Jade is hanging out there, too, if Bianca's going to go heel and Bianca's been acting heel ever since Jade returned at Elimination Chamber and attacked Naomi, I thought. Yeah. You know, EO didn't beat them.
Starting point is 02:54:46 What I mean is, it sounds ridiculous. They beat the shit out of each other. Eio got her stuff in, but EO was able to capitalize on the punishment, which is a perfectly fine way for a smaller baby face to win. For me, this was the best match of WrestleMania, and the crowd seemed super into it. Again, it's the first match of the night, but I think it was more than that. I think it was the right match.
Starting point is 02:55:11 and it worked and I enjoyed this match more than any other match at WrestleMania I thought this was great you know now that I'm thinking up but besides that to be honest I still like the triple threat from night one you know a bit more than for the for the drama and the happenings
Starting point is 02:55:29 and the fact that it's the main event picture and opens up possibilities but this in ring as I review it in my mind I probably got to agree with you But anyway, I just don't want to see Bianca versus Eia, EIA, EIA, I don't want to see Bianca versus EO or RIA versus EO. God damn it, I want to see something I can pronounce, Ria and Bianca. I think we should.
Starting point is 02:56:03 I mean, I said that years ago when they both were in NXT and then when they came up, I think long term that should be kind of like the flare steamboat because I think they're both really good. they're different, but they work perfectly together. They're similar in size. To me, Bianca and Ria, long term should be, and you can't wait too much longer. I mean, they've been up there for a while. That should be the big feud for women's wrestling.
Starting point is 02:56:27 Well, fortunately, we've got you calling these shots so that you can just make it so. Because we don't want to leave this to leave any chance to this. Did you know that flavor, was still alive. I wasn't aware of it. And he doesn't look like he ought to be, does he? Well, I knew he hadn't died.
Starting point is 02:56:48 What do you mean? He doesn't look like he ought to be. He doesn't look that bad. He's like your age. Well, Jesus Christ, he's looked my age for the past 30 years since I've seen him on TV. And he was fucking Bridget Nielsen. He was produced by Rick Rubin originally.
Starting point is 02:57:02 Well, look how old Rubin looks now. He probably, the Flavor Flav aged him. Anyway, and there was a UFC guy and another rapper, ringside. and then we got the Sin City Street fight, Brian, Drew McIntyre against Damian Priest. And this started out with a guy who cannot play guitar. Again, you're more musical than I am.
Starting point is 02:57:33 Was this good guitar playing? It was just rotten to me. It was a guy from Slayer. I guess they said it looked like an indie guy from... Yeah. Seriously again, what did he bring a whole fucking van, Rubin? And they're all just sitting around ringside. But was this any good?
Starting point is 02:57:57 It's not my thing. And I could recognize that about that kind of music. So I'm not going to pretend that it is. And I'm not going to say that I liked it. But I'm also not going to say if it's good or not because I've, for me, it's not. I don't like it. It didn't look like any Glenn Campbell or Roy Clark guitar pick.
Starting point is 02:58:15 and that I'm used to. You know, the other thing is it didn't seem like it got the fans anymore into Damian Priest. Would that, no, because they were, I think, thinking the same thing I was. They're like, who the fuck is this guy? Well, so they jumped started this thing and went out to the floor. And they had a little fight, and Drew started taking the stairs apart and arranging them in the right place. So Priest leveled him while he was doing that and pulled out a table.
Starting point is 02:58:45 and Drew hit Priest about four times with the stairs, and I was already about to tune out. Because I love Drew McIntyre. And at one point, he did take a selfie with a fan's camera while Priest was laying there. But then McIntyre pulls out another chair, and he sets up two tables at ringside, and the other guy has to sell,
Starting point is 02:59:14 and everything comes to a halt, and it's automatically, I could watch AEW and see this. The athletes wouldn't be anywhere near as large or probably as good of workers, but the same fucking principle. It's just because they got to have a street fight. And the show's too long already is another thing I wrote. So I fast forwarded a little while.
Starting point is 02:59:41 Priest hit a razor's edge on McIntyre through one of the tables, two count. Fast forward. Drew hit a DDT on Priest on the steel stairs. Two count. Fast forward. Priest did his rope walk where he's holding on to Drew's hand and Drew shoved him off backwards off the top rope through the two tables
Starting point is 03:00:07 that had been set up on the floor previously. And then he claymored. priest's head was in the corner with the chair in the corner of the the jello pudding and the boom one two three i we've wanted to like priest out of there just something going on we love mackintyre to just de-doodley death but this was just another weapons match because they didn't have one and they I guess think they have to have one. Did I miss out on appreciating the finer things in life?
Starting point is 03:00:53 I don't think so, although it did seem like the fans there really got into it. You know, priests, you want to see guys protect themselves, but he did the thing where McIntyre pushed him through the two tables that were set up, and he covered his head as soon as he left the apron. Yeah, I would have. Not the apron, the top rope. Remember he came off the rope? And, you know, again, I know you want to protect yourself.
Starting point is 03:01:16 I just fucking had a football helmet on. But to me, it stood out like, okay, here I go. Let me hold my breath. Yeah. You know. Well, it's the nesty plunge. I will say here or two, because there hasn't been another time to commentating. Pat McAfee, I appreciate how, I guess if you're a fan of his, you're into his enthusiasm.
Starting point is 03:01:37 But holy shit, is he awful as a commentator? He just screams. And sometimes he screams. no one else has anything to say. Because they don't even know if he's done screaming. But he's awful. God, he's all, I know he's a big wrestling fan, and I'm sure he means well.
Starting point is 03:01:54 He'll probably admit I was right, too. But he's awful at commentary. Holy shit, is he bad? I think enthusiasm is one of his trademark, you know, personality quirks or whatever. But, yeah, I agree he's got to gear it back some so that he can go somewhere every once in a while. but I'm afraid he's you know
Starting point is 03:02:14 they're going to have to strap him up some kind of defibrillator I'm just like waiting for football season to start or whatever just so he gets the fuck out of there for a while maybe he'll maybe he'll go to work for the Rock's UFL if they're still in business UFXL or SUFLP probably that's an all-time bomb this season we'll have a wrap up I'm sure at some point I didn't mean to get you started on the Rock
Starting point is 03:02:41 Oh, no, no, hey, listen. Go back there eventually. I'm nowhere near the Rock's biggest hater this week, so I'm just going to sit back. Let the other people do the heavy lifting. Well, we got a football player, Daniel Cormier from the UFC, and the Kill Tony guy were introduced, and he got booed. They don't like him either. And then we had a guilty pleasure of mine.
Starting point is 03:03:09 The Intercontinental Title match. the fatal four-way between Penta and Dominic Mysterio and Finn Baller and Bronbreak. And remember what I said about, I liked about the multi-person matches, just endless, repetitive. We hate them, we hate them. But I said the reason I liked the triple threat on night one was because they didn't do the things that normally the multi-man matches do, where they have the alley-oop and the contrived multiple person spots where they just trade intricate tumbling like you're watching the
Starting point is 03:03:46 fucking Ed Sullivan show or America's got talent for you kids in the audience. And this was a four way and they started alley open all over the place, but Braun Breaker is amazing. I will watch Bronbreaker read the newspaper on a park bench at this point. He's a fucking amazing. And I've watched this thing just to see him.
Starting point is 03:04:10 do shit. And he doubled German suplexed Baller and Penta and he double vertical suplexed Finn and Dominic. He did Breckensteiner
Starting point is 03:04:25 on Finn. But it's not just the moves that he's doing, the look, the face, the aggression. You can see with his back turned, you know what the expression is on his face when he's tensed up with his whole body like that.
Starting point is 03:04:40 and just explosiveness. And he did the thing where he came off one of the announced desks and speared Carlito on the other announced desk and the fucking thing busted into a goddamn million pieces. And, I mean, he's the future of wrestling
Starting point is 03:05:03 and you used to have, I mean, he would have been a prodigy in any era, but you used to have, you know, maybe five or six of those guys because of all the territories come along every year or two, not looking exactly like Bronbreaker, but that you could say, okay, this guy's going to be a big deal. And those are fewer and farther between now. And most of the indie guys are just small and they don't have personality and they don't get the business mentally. And Braun checks all the boxes.
Starting point is 03:05:44 So, yes, I watched this for him. And finally, Braun speared Penta. And Dominic hit Braun with a 619, but he went to the top. But Finn tripped Dominic because they had been fighting. They finally fought in this match. He got a big pop. And then Finn double stomped Braun and covered him. But Dominic, it is kind of, and again,
Starting point is 03:06:11 and these multiple man matches, that's another thing you kind of get. Dominic splashed both of them to break the cover and then covered Finn one, two, three. So kind of like what the girls did. But in this case, Dominic beat his judgment day stablemate for the belt without Braun losing. And Bronn, I think at this point, this is another example, like with Good Gunther, he didn't really need the belt. He needs to work with more main event guys, and I think that's probably coming.
Starting point is 03:06:48 So Dominic now's got heat and something to fucking crow over and brag about. Braun didn't lose. Something going on with Dominic and Finn. Penta was in there too. I don't care. And there you go. What'd you think? Well, just like Gunther last year, he lost the U.S. belt.
Starting point is 03:07:11 and now is the necessary thing for him to move up to be world champion. I'm not saying they're going to put the belt on Braun Breaker right away, but they do have to start developing the next crop and they have to start moving him up. And how long... This is the second time I think he was intercontinental champion. How long was he going to do that?
Starting point is 03:07:29 Unless you were going to give him just a really long run. Do it here. He doesn't even have to get pinned. So nothing on him. Get to move him up. Dominic Mysterio getting a massive baby face reaction and then running back out to the ring after he left to get more reaction. I don't know if that was a one-night thing or what. Again, if he's going to feud with Finn,
Starting point is 03:07:51 Finn's clearly the heel. Well, yeah, but it's also, it's the WrestleMania audience that, right? But again, if he's going to feud with Finn, Finn's clearly the heel, right? Well, maybe he will be and maybe he won't be. Because Finn could be the just the old stick in the mud, baby face, but... If Finn has a beat, down of Dominic and all of a sudden Carlito and JD shows back up and they beat up Dominic. All of a sudden Dominic's a sympathetic baby face, although he's still with Liv and she's a heel. I don't know.
Starting point is 03:08:23 It's interesting to see where they're going to go. I didn't expect to finish. I expected that the judgment day would have issues and it would cause something, but I was surprised by the way it went down and massive reaction for Dominic Mysterio. The fans were jovial for this entire. or second show. The earlier thing about the crowd noise,
Starting point is 03:08:44 I'm sure if they noticed an issue, they improved something, but I also think the things that connected here connected better than they did on night one. Yeah. It was the women's match?
Starting point is 03:08:53 Yeah, or this, yeah. Overall, they were just happier to be there. And that's, so now, out of what I've lost track, but EO is the only one who's retained out of like six title matches so far
Starting point is 03:09:06 over both nights. But anyway, So now it was time to see Randy Orton's open challenge because obviously we know with Steen, Kevin Owens had revealed that he's got to have neck surgery for a shoot and he's out for who knows how long and they'd already set the match up and that sucks. But Orton had vowed, I'm going to be there
Starting point is 03:09:36 and somebody needs to step up and let get it on. Let's get it on. And he reiterated the open challenge when he made his entrance and is his 20th WrestleMania. Who's going to come out and we go to the stage and music and it's Joe Hendry, the TNA world champion, Joe has say his name as they say and he will appear. And we've been, Brian, remember we said we got to see Joe Hendry. And I said, if I met him 10 years ago, I don't know if I've seen him wrestle yet. And everybody's been talking about him and he's got so much publicity and attention. And he's the TNA world champion.
Starting point is 03:10:23 And I know it helps their relationship. But God almighty, the TNA-W-E relationship I'm talking about. And it got T&A more exposure than they've gotten it. I don't know how long, but I'm still old school enough to think, well, maybe it might not have been the best thing if it was their world champion that got beat in three minutes like he was goddamn downtown Bruno. Well, they have a new girlfriend. They knew Mexican girlfriends.
Starting point is 03:10:55 And they could throw TNA right out to the curb. They don't own T&A, they own AAA. No, I think that they're still going to be working with the, the folk, fine folks over at T&A, but it. Randy did what obviously they told him to do. He gave him a couple of things. Never took him too seriously. He hit him with an eye poke and a couple closed lines,
Starting point is 03:11:23 a power slam and a DDT. And Hendry got a fallaway slam in and did his pose. And then Orton jumped up and RKO'd him and pinned him one, two, three. And then Orton helped him up. held his hand up and then RKO'd him again and then did his pose. You know, the pose, you know, being the thing where they zoomed the camera in on him. Yes. Him doing that right into the RKO was amazing.
Starting point is 03:11:54 That was done so well and it was perfect. Oh, but we've established the pecking order, I believe, is that the TNA world champion can't hang with the WWE legends, though. Well, but he got Joe Hendry on the show. And in terms of the options they had, or at least the ones we could think of, TNA's world champion and TNA's championship getting the exposure, even though it's a loss.
Starting point is 03:12:22 Obviously, there are guys, some may debut tonight as we are recording, whether it's a Rusev or a Alistair Black, or someone else on the roster. Was there, I mean, was this the best of all options when you think about it? see the problem is we don't know what they want to do with orton from here and we don't know how they're going to present especially like one would think
Starting point is 03:12:51 rusev omiro have him come out and fucking surprise everybody shock everybody and beat orton but they might have orton lined up to do something with sena so that wouldn't be possible so depending on what they're doing with orton who who's already a big star, they might not want to use him that night to make somebody. So they decided to just let the people see Orton do a personal appearance in tights and beat somebody that the people will get a kick out of seeing and they can tell T&A they did him a favor.
Starting point is 03:13:31 We had no Owens. One of these days they're going to ask me for a favor. We had no Owens. Were you surprised there was no Sammy on the show? No, because see, again, remember they, Sammy and Owen's just in in this universe
Starting point is 03:13:46 beat the shit out of each other I agree he couldn't be the surprise opponent I'm not saying as a surprise just on the show in general no Sammy Zane well
Starting point is 03:13:56 it wasn't planned that way Mama says it bees that way sometimes I'm sure he's still in good graces he'll be he'll be back he'll be back here he's gone away to learn a new hole speaking of learning a new
Starting point is 03:14:13 old, Brian. Logan Paul has learned a couple. I enjoyed this more than I thought I was going to, Logan Paul and AJ Stiles, just because they kind of brought AJ back. It's kind of obvious on a face of it. They brought AJ back to have a high spot match with Logan Paul because they didn't particularly have anything for Logan Paul to do. But having said that, they did it well. Again, another really good match. I think AJ should have raised his arms in the tanning bed. But both these guys, they look good, they're in shape, AJ's work is great.
Starting point is 03:14:54 Logan Paul is exceptionally advanced for the amount of matches he's had. And he's such an athlete, but he's got such an attitude, as we've mentioned, he gets so much heat because he is a dick. But he's a heel. And AJ's a baby face. And they had a wrestling match rather than again, if this was the other guys, the flippy guys that want to outdo each other on the flippiness go so far
Starting point is 03:15:29 and they're allowed to go so far that it just becomes ridiculous, whereas these guys still keep the flavor of a contest and frame it as a contest, between a prick and a halfway decent guy that doesn't like him. And then they do wild athletic things out of nowhere in the middle of it, but they don't overdo it. But at one point, Logan Paul did the lion's saw. Jericho needs to just pack that one in now. He did it all the way across the fucking ring.
Starting point is 03:16:04 And Logan Paul did a frog splash that made Eddie Guerrero look like he didn't know what he was doing. But that's the same time they all. Also, they let AJ shine, but then Logan Paul got the heat so AJ could sell. And there's some element of AJ being able to kind of pace the thing by how he sells with Logan Paul to, so Logan doesn't get too antsy-pancy or fidgety or whatever. And then finally, Logan Paul hit a styles clash. It wouldn't, he got him up and he talked. turned him over, but it wasn't like it was a leaping high impact thing like AJ does.
Starting point is 03:16:49 But AJ rolled up on that and gave Logan Paul the styles clash. And then whatever Logan Paul Stoge's name is, one of the podcast stooges he has, why don't we have stooges? Why don't we have people to- Hotchkiss Featherbottom? No, I mean, on this show, we don't we need to have people coming in and bringing us fucking food and Sprite Zeros and goddamn engaging in comedic banter. Then we'd have to let some son of a bitch into one of our homes, though, to do that,
Starting point is 03:17:24 wouldn't we? Go ahead. I do like the idea that every time they have one of Logan Paul's friends, they're like, here he is, and you never know who they are, because we don't watch his stuff, but here he is, it's Jeff. Okay. And then it seems like the pitch they must give them is, okay, the wrestler's going to take you and they're going to throw you, just go with it. And they're never trained or never taught anything
Starting point is 03:17:44 because they never, they always go down awkwardly. It's always, it looks like someone's getting hurt. Well, and that's the way that untrained dipsets don't know what they're doing looks like when they try to be involved. And also, they must tell them freeze. Whenever the wrestler looks at you, just freeze with your hands in the air like you've been frozen in amber.
Starting point is 03:18:10 But the stooge is behind, the or down below the ring apron hiding from the referee site with the brass knucks. But suddenly, Carrying Cross, who's been interjected in this, he appears, and he grabs the knucks, and that's when the guy froze with his arms out and just,
Starting point is 03:18:30 he made no attempt to just turn and run away, just run away. So he freezes until AJ can roll out and be standing behind him and grab him. and then when he turned around again, it was so awkward and stiffly his movement until AJ just shoved him and the guy just rolled away. Rolled away, rolled away.
Starting point is 03:18:53 And then Cross pleads with AJ to put the knucks on and fucking go in and hit the guy that's been kicking a shit out of him. That's a noted dick. But AJ being a good baby face, and this is another thing.
Starting point is 03:19:12 This is a rare quality control mishap from the WWE. I can't believe they did this spot with what was coming in the main event, but AJ has the gimmick and he throws it down and punches cross and then gets back in the ring and Logan Paul hit him with a heck of a knockout punch
Starting point is 03:19:36 and that flipping DDT thingy, boom, two, three. Maybe the baby face should have just used the Nux. What do you think, Brian? Yeah, carry across him like a real nice guy. Here, I'm helping you. I'm helping you. Just please do this.
Starting point is 03:19:54 Please do this for me. I have a gift. That's going to come back later on to that premise there. Yes, we know the baby face is supposed to be honorable. But when the baby face is honorable and then moments later is honorable on his fucking face a loser. Sometimes these sadistic 20 to 50 year old men that were in this
Starting point is 03:20:22 stadium on Easter fucking Sunday instead of with their families, probably ain't going to have a lot of sympathy. Brian, I understand we're being invited to step into the WWE's writers room with the new upcoming Netflix series WWE Unreal. It's come to this.
Starting point is 03:20:50 We've already heard from a ton of listener saying, what does Jim think of this? Will Jim watch this? What does he think about the writer's room being something exposed to the public? It's come to, well, I have conflicting thoughts because, yeah, it's a writer's room.
Starting point is 03:21:05 It's not a booker's room. It's not what we used to do. It's this form of thing they do today. But no, I'm going to need to get a list of all these son of a bitch's name and addresses. Because I'm going to have to go pay a visit to each one of them individually. I have a feeling I'm going to like this
Starting point is 03:21:25 probably less than anything else that has ever been presented on television. We're screaming like Stephanie's places. Well, there's a few of Stephanie's places that even though I haven't visited there before, I'm willing to take a trip to, but I don't want to see these fucking writers or their room. And I don't want anybody else to see it either. because it's going to be fucking embarrassing. If you were a wrestler working there, would you want them to see this?
Starting point is 03:21:54 Would you want the public to see this? No. Because then inevitably, even if they don't come out and say on the show, yeah, I'm writing CM Punk or Roman Raines or Cody Rhodes' fucking promo for them. Or the other guy said, well, I'm coming up with their finish. Well, then you're turning your stars. that people look up to and they love to hear him talk and they love to see him do all these fucking wild-ass things
Starting point is 03:22:23 into trained chimpanzees that are doing what they're fucking told by some nebish in the writer's room that if he was in the locker room would be whistling stranger in paradise. And that's the quickest way to, can you imagine, if that Brian Gerwitz was still around, that little pepperoni pizza-faced fucking prick, And he was on the show saying, well, yeah, I'm going to tell Jacob Fatu to do this,
Starting point is 03:22:52 that and the other thing. Would that get Jacob Fatu over that some little goddamn nerd is telling him what to do or giving him his material? No. See, that's why I specifically brought up the active wrestlers. You don't want anyone seeing that. You just want them to think that you're sitting there talking to Triple H, not that. Here's 10 other people who don't know anything writing what they think I should say.
Starting point is 03:23:17 You know, I think the other thing going into the earlier conversation about WWE and what they're becoming, I think they have lists of shows that they're looking for someone to develop or pay for the right to air so that they could just churn out content for every area of the company. And this is the... What else can we show them? You know, fucking famous divas bowel movements.
Starting point is 03:23:44 I come to think of it. Well... Yeah, we call that the corner office. That one may have been in development for a few years now. The egg. Well, speaking of people having bowel movements and them being the divas, the next one, the women's tag team title was on the line. Brian would live Morgan and her partner, Rochelle, Rochelle.
Starting point is 03:24:13 They were scheduled to take on lyric. valedictorian and Bailey was injured in a dastardly attack and everybody was wondering who old lyric was going to get to be her tag team partner did anybody give two shits and a tickle
Starting point is 03:24:35 about lyric when she came out dressed like a giant pigeon like a birch who was flapping her wings she had wings and she was flapping them literally oh yeah did okay okay remember Remember the story I told you when the heavily bodies started the WWF and the goddamn creative team wanted to put wings on their jackets and wanted them to come to the goddamn ring flapping their wings? That was the motion that was demonstrated to them as to how that they should flap their wings. Well, Bruce has been waiting a lot of years to teach someone that would be a bird.
Starting point is 03:25:12 Well, we gave him the bird the first night. but that was the motion that she was flabbed and then she still had the feathers in her fucking hair and so she got down there and the people are like what the fuck is this you know Jesus Christ she looked like she'd been tard and feathered mid-south wrestling and then her partner was revealed and it was Becky Lynch and they blew for that. Big response. She's back.
Starting point is 03:25:49 They were singing her whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Or wait a minute. Sammy Zane is, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Or is Becky Lynch, whoa. But Seth is, whoa, whoa. I think she's just, whoa, so it's like, it's kind of an extended,
Starting point is 03:26:08 oh. Oh, no, wrong way. I kind of like that. Well, Anyway, so the point is, if you're going to win the belts at WrestleMania, be sure to wear the feathers in your hair, ladies and gentlemen. If you're winning at WrestleMania, be sure to wear the feathers in your hair. They did a great job.
Starting point is 03:26:33 I don't even know if it's considered a great job, but, you know, a lot of people were saying Becky's not coming back for a while. They were even for a while, a little while back. I've been saying while a lot. while you're saying while they've been whiling way the hours there was once a rumor that she was gonna you know that she would entertain AEW the point was no one was saying she's about to come back or she's coming back no one prominent like it wasn't something that was being spread
Starting point is 03:26:58 so I think it really did catch people by surprise yes and they were shocked and they were happy but he said there was a rumor she entertained AEW and I didn't hear that rumor every single one of them and the whole a big locker room to entertain all of them. I didn't even say that she entertained that she would. And I'm not saying she did. That was a rumor. Again, not sexual.
Starting point is 03:27:22 You go right, we're viewing the women's tag match and you have to take it right into the gutter and you're not even talking about Liv. Listen, Becky Lynch is back. You suddenly got awfully defensive there. Becky Lynch is back. And Becky Lynch is back, bitch. And no one cared about Lyra Valchuria.
Starting point is 03:27:41 And finally, Live hit her finish on Becky, but Lyric saved the day there, and then Lyric dove out on Rochelle, and then Becky hit her finish on Liv, one, two, three, new champions. What is that, like six and one for the title matches? Yeah. So it's a brand new day.
Starting point is 03:28:05 But Becky's back, but how the fuck, I'm not sure why they think that this little timid girl is going to get over and needs to be in this top spot, our friend Lyric, with the feathers in her hair. But boy, that's like Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Brooklyn Brawler winning the tag team title, isn't it? How's this going to be? No, I don't think it's necessarily that, but I think it's, isn't, isn't Becky Lynch kind of like a mentor to her, or their fellow country people or countrymen? You say countrymen if they're both women?
Starting point is 03:28:40 Their fellow country, well, they're fellow, they're not fellows, their sister country women. Their sister country women. They're fellow country men. Well, you can be a fellow countryman, but you would have to be a sister country woman. Well, the point is, they must have a respect from the old country, and they bring it over here now to WrestleMania. From the old country to the new country. Again, let's behave ourselves. Helix sleep.
Starting point is 03:29:10 No, let's behave ourselves, and that was the women's tag match. live in Raquel, lose the belts. Dominic's a champion, now lives not. Yeah, that's going to cause some stress. Would you like to go to another country now? Let's go to another man. I hope we don't have to edit a hell out of this. Giving everyone work.
Starting point is 03:29:31 Let's go now to the next match on this extravaganza of wrestling kind, WrestleMania 41. It wasn't a match, except if you count Stone Cold Steve Austin struggling with a four-wheeler. In that case, it was a match because they played Austin's music. You heard the glass break, and when you hear the break of the glass at your ass, as they say, and they start panning the stadium, and the people are screaming. They got their phones up and they're waving the arms in the air and partying like they just don't care.
Starting point is 03:30:06 And there's more stadium crowd pans and more ambiance scenes, and the music is playing. Don't know, do don't, do don't. And you're like, where is he? It's their milkeness. Boy, expect to see him walk out any second. And then suddenly, he appears on the stage on a four-wheeler and starts heading down the ramp. But the reason why it took so long is the fan cam footage, as they say, revealed the ramp from the stage to the ring,
Starting point is 03:30:40 they had to put a ramp on the side of that up to the top of the stage and then to come down the ramp for the four-wheeler to be driven up because you can't come through gorilla in a four-wheeler. There's stairs involved. So when Austin had come out from behind the curtain at the foot of that ramp to lead him up to the stage, he was already moving at a pretty good clip and he couldn't turn left.
Starting point is 03:31:07 You can't turn those things on a dime, I guess. and he overshot the ramp and went beside the ramp and couldn't stop and went all the way to the fucking stage ramp and got stuck under it. And then he put it in reverse and when he backed up he was so close to the ramp
Starting point is 03:31:25 that he was supposed to take that he got the back wheel stuck under that. And then you see all kinds of crew guys come out and frantically start jerking this four-wheeler to get it unstuck out from the side of the ramp. And so he can back it up and then he makes it up the ramp.
Starting point is 03:31:44 And that's when the whole crowd and stadium can see him and they can pick it up on their telecast. And he had to be dying fucking laughing. Because Steve, right, I guarantee you, he's fucking blowing snot. This son of a bitch. So he's starting to come down the ramp to the ring now and he flies down the ramp and he circles the ring once and he circles the ring twice
Starting point is 03:32:11 and as he's coming around to wave or whatever the fuck to the announcers that the announcer as he flies by there to give them the finger to give him the finger to give them the finger he goes around the left side of the fucking
Starting point is 03:32:31 ring again makes the left turn and he goes wide again and he crashes into the goddamn barricade in front of the front row fans, boom, and comes to a stop. And there's a woman standing there, and she takes a delayed bump. It's like, she booms. She realizes, what the fuck? And then she gets a pissed look on her face.
Starting point is 03:32:51 And three seconds later, she falls down. And then he's getting up and he's like, are you okay? So he gets into the ring. If you're having a good time, give me a hell yeah. and he is there to announce the attendance like I think Michaels did on night one. And he announced 63,226. But I don't know. I think there's more than that.
Starting point is 03:33:24 I demand a recount. And he said, everybody sit down and remain still. And he starts counting one, two, three, four. And he only went to 20. But he said the two-night total that they're claiming 124,693. And then he had somebody, I don't think Mark Eaton's with him anymore, but he had somebody pitch beers to him where he drank the beers. He might have had a couple before he came out on a four-wheeler.
Starting point is 03:33:59 And then he went down to the woman in the front row where Nick Conn was personally checking on her. Yeah, Nick Conn was throwing out money like he was Ted DiBiase. I'm thinking this guy gets it. Tony Khan's not smart enough to get this guy gets it. He was on the fucking hook there. He wanted to see himself what was going on with the woman that was run into by Stone Cold Steve Austin on a four-wheeler at WrestleMania. Because everybody knows there's some money to be had there.
Starting point is 03:34:34 And somebody tweeted, actually, the woman in front of me just got hit by Steve Austin when he crashed his four-wheeler and she's pissed so I wonder what they had to do to make her happy. He didn't hit her anyway. He didn't hit her. That's the thing. The delayed bump
Starting point is 03:34:50 is what's throwing me off here because she took a weird like he hit the barricade and then she like stared at it and then she just kind of sat down. She swooned. It's like she faded over the shock of it all. But you know, I
Starting point is 03:35:06 I would like to know what the conversation was there with her and Nick Con. How many shares of stock would you like? Would you like to be on our robust board, part of the flywheel? Would you like to be part of the flywheel, ma'am? You know what? Austin always said that he wouldn't come back if it wasn't for anything good. He didn't want to just show up and do stuff. And then a few years back, he said he had an idea to come.
Starting point is 03:35:36 back and sing and Vince shot it down. I was like, man, Vince did the right thing. That would sound awful. And a lot of people had hoped that Steve Austin kind of could have been part of the whole rock thing in terms of like an icon of that time. To counterpoint. It would make sense in some way, even though Triple H does as well.
Starting point is 03:35:57 The fact that he was here and this is the way he was used, forget about crashing and drinking or whatever was going on there. Just the lameness of the counting. just to get the what chant, I guess, because then McAfee started doing what on commentary, which was unbearable. Yeah, because when the announcers try to lead it, then it just comes off even phony.
Starting point is 03:36:16 Yeah, so I guess that's the disappointment, just that Steve Austin was used like this, that he was okay with being used like this. He wasn't a part of the thing last year with the rock and everything. That was the Undertaker, where it would have fit if it was Steve Austin. Here he did nothing.
Starting point is 03:36:32 Well, what he did was carry a check for, I'm sure, a nice six, figure some home for having a match that he had inducted into the Hall of Fame and running over a fucking bitchy old lady in the front row with a fucking four-wheeler. And drinking some beer. It's been a while since Steve's been here. What's the worst thing that happened? Well, he almost took down the backstage area and then he hit a woman in the front row
Starting point is 03:36:55 allegedly and then he started counting in the ring. Like he was to count on Sesame Street. Then he drank some beers and then he said a little of Nick Con and then he left. All right. Same old Steve. No, I loved that. That was my favorite segment. That's the funniest thing I've seen.
Starting point is 03:37:13 When he could get that fucking four-wheeler up there. The bump, I can't get past. I watched over and over again the way the woman fell. Yes. Well, she didn't want to hurt herself. See, when you're falling down on purpose, you're self-conscious. You don't want to hurt yourself.
Starting point is 03:37:30 All righty. Are you ready for the match we've all been waiting for? for Brian, the second one of night two, the real last one. We've really been waiting for this thing. John Sina versus Cody Rhodes for the World Heavyweight title and the soulless Sina versus the the very baby face and righteous Cody Rhodes. What did the guys on the motorcycles have to do with Cody?
Starting point is 03:38:04 Was Cody and a famous motorcycle? Daredevil in his younger days that we missed? Cody's really into BMX. He always wanted to be in the movie Rad. I really don't know what had to do with anything, and then it just kind of abruptly ended, and then the regular Cody entrance happened. Yes.
Starting point is 03:38:21 Yeah, well, we got Sina first, and he came out, lackluster as his heel persona has been doing, and they did the John Sina sucks because it works in the song. And then we saw, again, guys on motorcycles, just running back and forth and doing trick things. And then Cody came up through the stage, and I think it was, I don't know whether they meant to time it like this or somebody jumped something, but the people in the stadium saw Cody standing on the stage before they heard his music start.
Starting point is 03:38:55 And I think that got him off on the wrong foot. Because normally you hear the wrestling has more than one royal family, and the bummer-da-d-dam, and that gives him the pop, and then you see him appear, right? They put the Cody before the horse. It was odd. But the fans wowed, and they sang, and Cody kissed his baby,
Starting point is 03:39:20 and his wife and his mother and his girlfriend. Everybody was there. His girlfriend? Well, the whole family. He didn't want to leave anybody out. Had them all in the front row. And then, on the introductions
Starting point is 03:39:36 Sina got a mixed response never they booed him flat out when they first heard the music then he got a mixed response on the introduction then Cody got the cheers and the booze then they got the chant going let's go Sina Sina sucks
Starting point is 03:39:56 and then when they rang the bell the longer it went the more it became came Hulk Hogan and the Rock in Toronto. I mean, not to the, they've just, they roasted the rock over an open fucking fire that night. No, but this has been coming. This, this was not to that level, but it was the WrestleMania audience. It was John Sina, many of them there probably seeing him for the first time live,
Starting point is 03:40:33 nostalgia kicked in the weird story of the whole thing and the fact that now that it's the the WrestleMania audience and this is the people who spent the most money and are into this the most, they wanted to see the belt change hands. And so they flipped around as this the guys took their time, the crowd was loud anyway, and they started slow and worked it. But the more that they did, everything Sina would do would get some kind of reaction
Starting point is 03:41:07 mixed at best and a lot of times cheers and when Cody would fire back it'd be a bit mixed but more booze yeah and I think it's more than just people wanting a title change I think this has been something coming and we saw it on Smackdown again that's kind of the WrestleMania audience but the crowd rejected Cody on Smackdown against Sina face to face
Starting point is 03:41:33 and I think part of the problem that may have caused us to happen quicker or at least here is Sina as a heel pointed out things about Cody that are true he pointed out that you're a baby face by numbers you know he's like heroic for no reason like there's no central cause it's just I'm a baby face and this is what we do
Starting point is 03:41:57 like he pointed out all these things that if you stop and think about it the heel was telling the truth and then the heel got beat down by the baby face and then the baby face left. I think it's, you know, I'm not saying it's the Charlotte situation and I'm not saying it's what happened to Cody and AEW, but I'm thinking, you know,
Starting point is 03:42:16 Cody can't just be the Bob Backland Mr. Goody Two Shoes and the Sina thing kind of brought a lot of that out. And Cody had something when he was chasing the title. People wanted him to finish the story and he was able to ride that wave into a year as champion, but he hasn't really grown as a character much, if that makes any sense.
Starting point is 03:42:38 He hasn't really shown more than, you know, I drink my milk and go to school on time, kids. Like, it's just, it's not fleshed out. Well, but then the problem, because it still was a long way from wearing thin, because he's still getting great responses, selling merchandise, everybody just loving Cody until he got into this thing. and even then here's my point
Starting point is 03:43:04 it's still the WrestleMania office it ain't going to play this way in Peoria and it was the nostalgia factor and the fact they want to see the title change and etc but what to me has hurt did hurt Cody about this more than the people just booing him
Starting point is 03:43:24 because you know the rock survived the Hogan match etc etc the finish is what to me hurt Cody. Remember when I said earlier, when the heel tries to use a gimmick and the baby face gets given that gimmick and is too pure of heart to fucking give the guy a taste of his own medicine,
Starting point is 03:43:48 that people don't like. That's what they did. And I couldn't believe they did it twice the same night. I'm getting a little ahead of myself, though, on this match. But overall, though, just to finish your point, overall, though, the finish killed this match. I think the finish overall, the last few minutes, killed the entire
Starting point is 03:44:06 event for some people. It would just, it, it's suddenly, this high energy, exciting show suddenly went and it would just bleh. But they did a good job with the match with laying it out. I think
Starting point is 03:44:24 the layout of the match, up until the last couple minutes or whatever, the false finish. were great. The execution was probably not as crisp as the layout because let's face it, John's 50 or whatever he is. But goddamn, he was putting on a clinic for the lip readers too, wasn't he? I could follow right along with the match, just fucking reading
Starting point is 03:44:49 John's lips. That's always been a scene of a problem. He used to be really bad on Raw where you could watch him talk and hear him talk. At one point when Cody was firing up, he punched him, and John's again, punch, again. But, Jesus Christ. But nevertheless, they got good false finishes going. There was a lot of attitude adjustments exchanged. And as they would go, and Cody Cutters,
Starting point is 03:45:17 and they would go back and forth. And Cody spoiled the first effort at the five-knuckle shuffle. But then Sina hit it later on. and, you know, again, trading the attitude adjustments and the Cody cutters. And then Sina got the attitude adjustment and the STFU and got a big pop on that. And he was holding the STF and he would foil the rope break. He would, whenever Cody'd get close, he'd drag him back and it would get a big pop. Like, yeah, drag him back to the middle and hurt him some more.
Starting point is 03:45:56 And then Cody kicked Sina off and they scy. squished the referee in a corner. And the referee was down. And again, I've usually, the main event finishes. They hit more than they miss here, but goddamn two ref bumps of the same ref. But nevertheless, they bump him the first time.
Starting point is 03:46:16 Down he goes. Cody foils the AA into a crossroads. He covers John. There's no referee. The crowd counts to 12. And then Cody, goes over to kind of check on the referee. And at that point, Sina pulls the buckle pad off.
Starting point is 03:46:36 And sidesteps Cody and runs him into the buckle twice and hits the attitude adjustment. And the referee has recovered and down to count one, two, kickout. That was great. Then music starts playing, if you can call it that. And here comes Travis Scott. out on the stage fondling his mark title belt that he's got over his goddamn shoulder. And he just decides to wander down to the ring at a pace I can only assume would be called glacial.
Starting point is 03:47:18 Brian, from the first note of his music, to the time he got to ringside, it was one minute and 50 seconds. and during that time Cena just had to sit there and look at him grin like yeah here comes my guy and Cody had to sell they're doing nothing there's no motion in the ring for one minute and 50 seconds people been hit by fucking
Starting point is 03:47:46 tarc buses and been back on their feet why they involve these amateur morons in important shit I will never know but this fucking Travis Scott needs to be fucking launched onto the next goddamn spaceship
Starting point is 03:48:05 put him in orbit for a while what percentage of fans at this point in the show either when the music hit or when Travis Scott was out there when he got to the ring and when Cody came to whatever what percentage you think thought the rock was coming out I thought you were going to say what percentage wanted to see I was going to say 0.0007
Starting point is 03:48:25 it didn't sound like I don't think that anybody thought the rock Rock was coming out when the music hit because it wasn't Rock's music. And when they saw him, there may have been some guess. But when he just kept walking and walking and walking, it was like, this is all we're getting and getting and getting. I think it killed the people. Because as he got down there, they were like, fuck.
Starting point is 03:48:49 He showed up and the rock didn't. And nobody gives a shit about it. How do you get to be multi-platinum motherfattainment? fuckers. It's awful easy to be a multi-platinum. They had five multi-platinum people on this fucking show sitting in front row that were recognized on camera. And you never hear their names anywhere. People, you could scream it in a fucking shopping mall. People, huh? Anyhow. So now, apparently in front of the referee, who's still up, by the way, Sina holds Cody like Travis Scott's going to slap him again.
Starting point is 03:49:32 But as he brings him over to the apron of the ring where old Travis Scott is, Cody gives rock an elbow and grabs at Travis Scott who jumps down and then he turns around and Cody hits the crossroads on Sina and covers him. And as the referee goes down to count, Travis Scott pulls the referee out. And the referee face plants and now he's out again. and again, I've done finishes with two referee bumps of two different fucking referees.
Starting point is 03:50:03 It's just, Jesus Christ, somebody get this man a fucking defibrillator over here. Cody dares Travis Scott to get in the ring. Now, fuck it, I'm wrestling John Cena over here, but this fucking minute thug rapper that nobody's ever heard of it is fucked up two of my matches now, I'm more concerned with getting him to come in the ring. Travis Scott gets in the ring face to face, like he's not scared of Cody, who's 100 pounds bigger and much taller.
Starting point is 03:50:38 And Travis Scott swings at him. And Cody blocks it and gives him the crossroads and then rolls the sack of shit out and turns around, Sina's got the belt. Sina swings the belt, but Cody blocks that and pulls the belt away and Sina begs off.
Starting point is 03:50:59 puts his hand to please, Cody, don't, and crouches down, please, I'm begging you, I'm begging you. And Cody's got the belt and Sena's begging, and when Sina begged off, for just a second there, the people turned back a bit. They went, oh, like he's begging. And they had the germ of something there, but then the germ turned into a fucking virus that infected the whole thing. Cody hesitated hitting Sina with the belt and then lowered the belt and turned away like, oh, I can't do it. And that's when Sina football kicked him into balls and picked up the belt and hit him over the head and got the referee and covered him one, two, three. And got a big pop.
Starting point is 03:51:54 because Cody who all of this time has mostly prevented himself from looking like just a goddamn goof the people's who fuck he kicked you into balls he said all these things about you
Starting point is 03:52:14 hit him in the head with the goddamn belt it doesn't mean that you're a horrible human being it means that the guy deserved it it this is again they're using this the writer's room is trying to use this trope that the baby face couldn't bring himself to do it the wrong way no fuck you if there hadn't been any witnesses i'd have taken a goddamn hammer
Starting point is 03:52:44 that guy was digging a hole in my front yard a couple weeks ago and wouldn't felt bad about it at all because he dug a hole in my fucking yard So if it was just people on the street, I can understand Cody not wanting to hit an innocent person over the head with a blunt instrument. But when it's a guy that turned on him and kicked him into nuts and said all those bad things about him, and wants to take his title and has done a variety of bad things to him here in this match, hit him with a fucking belt. You deserve to lose because you should have hit him with a fucking belt.
Starting point is 03:53:20 That's what they did that was wrong with Coach. Cody here. He would survive the the WrestleMania heavily dedicated nostalgia crowd want to see a fucking happening cheer and Sina. That's the thing to do. That's not, but he lost the belt
Starting point is 03:53:39 because he just was too, he just pushed out. I don't think Dusty would have pushed out. I think Dusty would have fucking slap baby doll across the side of the face because she deserved it that Jezebel. I don't know about, let's not,
Starting point is 03:53:54 I don't know about anything with Baby doll there, but that's been the problem. I think he did slap Babydoll across the face one time now come to think of it. That's been the problem with this whole thing. After the attack where the Rock and Travis Scott and Cody turned on Sina, but gave him a black eye that was visible to everyone, they've had good back and forths that went like 10 minutes as promos, but there hasn't been the right amount of anger.
Starting point is 03:54:21 There has, and again, it wasn't about like, I'm going to get you for doing this to me. It was, you can't do this to them. They deserve so much. Cody's coming across like a bullshit politician. And the finish here did not help that. And in fact, it just adds more fire.
Starting point is 03:54:42 They bored them to death waiting for a bag of bones to get to the fucking ring and did the one thing that the people would say makes, makes the baby face deserve to lose. Well, he could have beat him, but he didn't. So fuck him. I don't get that. No, I don't get it. What do you think now, looking back,
Starting point is 03:55:04 obviously I got a lot of heat at the time for saying that the WWE had a rock problem and saying that despite the angle being a great moment, it's about where you go and it's about the problems. It's a whole bunch of things that I've been saying about the rock.
Starting point is 03:55:19 One would think that if the rock came in with a goddamn idea, and that idea was done to the Rock's liking the way Rock wanted to do it, that he would have been here to fucking finish it. And that lends credence to him wanting to mess with this thing in other ways. And Cody maybe stepping up a little bit and saying no. But so Rock is, oh, okay, well, Travis will have fun being there, but I got other things to do.
Starting point is 03:55:50 He showed up, got himself involved, and then didn't come. that means to me that he wasn't happy with the reception it got or the feedback it got or the way that it was played out or playing out. Yeah, you can show up for NXT, you can show up for WrestleMania.
Starting point is 03:56:05 Fly in for a day. We've had guys who had like roles or concerts or whatever it was where they had to fly in for WrestleMania and then fly right back out. It's been done. Yeah, but... Yeah, but instead he got the pin Cody last year
Starting point is 03:56:20 the day before Cody won the world title, so that's his last match. Pimping and Cody, and we never got the rock and Roman. Dwayne Johnson, these and gentlemen. Well, and he showed up just to disturb everybody's bill to this thing and then wasn't in the rest of it and didn't need to be. So he might not, it might as well never been involved at all. That's what I don't understand this.
Starting point is 03:56:51 And, you know, maybe they're going to get tired of letting him do this. but and I don't know that anybody missed him isn't that a shame that you you have to be nervous that the biggest wrestling star in the world and one of the biggest movie stars in the world might come and want to be on the fucking show oh god damn him again the next time he comes out there and slaps his arm
Starting point is 03:57:15 to show the goosebumps no one's gonna believe it it was already at a point where barely anyone and then punked the last time we saw rock the next day on TV punk did an interview saying you come out here with your bullshit, you slapping your arm. We never saw him ever again. Well, you know, there's a way you can work that. You squirt lemon juice on your taint.
Starting point is 03:57:38 I don't know anything about this. Listen, the other thing is we hear from fans who say, you guys aren't with it. Travis Scott is a big star. He's had all this success. You know, he fucked a Kardashian, all the things that big stars do nowadays. Wait, wait a minute.
Starting point is 03:57:55 I don't know if that's the definition of success, something, that garden variety that happens every day? I guess that's part of the point here, but it's not the same thing as Dennis Rodman for WCW, let alone Mike Tyson for WWE or, you know, I feel like it connects more like Lawrence Taylor did, although it's not necessarily a regional thing. It connects with a portion of the audience maybe,
Starting point is 03:58:20 and a whole lot of people don't want them involved in the, don't want them involved in the main event, WrestleMania. And WWE is at a point now, worse than ever before, where they'll embrace any sort of celebrity that wants to be involved. But this Travis Scott stuff hasn't worked. Now, the only thing anyone wants to see is him get a receipt from anyone. They just want to see him in the ring, get speared by Braun Breaker or something. Yeah, there you go, because the crossroads was too easy for this guy to take. The spear from Braun is the... You know, I mean, you know, Troutman was like six, nine.
Starting point is 03:58:55 You know what I mean? Like he was a big, he was an athlete. He was a nationally known athlete. It's just, this isn't working. And even some of them still look awkward when they try to get involved in the wrestling world. Some of them can pull it off and some of them can't. But if an athlete can't do it, a rapper ain't going to fucking do it.
Starting point is 03:59:15 And besides that, again, you know, it may be a celebrity in some genre, but do I want to see Liza Manelli in the main event of WrestleMania? No. It doesn't, it's just, no. I mean, look at WrestleMania 1. Mr. T was in the match. Liberace wasn't.
Starting point is 03:59:36 You know, like Vince understood, there are certain guys that are right for this and other guys we just want around so people see them. The parsley, the parsley on the side of the plate. They've shoved Travis Scott into this and, you know, a lot of people when the scene of turn happened wondered, is this like the
Starting point is 03:59:54 WrestleMania 17 thing? Is this the right move or the wrong move? They have incredible success. They just had that incredibly successful European tour. It does feel like that was a moment where nothing is really connected the right way since.
Starting point is 04:00:11 I hope it's not a WrestleMania 17 moment, but I guess they just did it because Rock promised Travis, yeah, you can do something at WrestleMania because that way when you hang around with me, we both look cool. But even if you wanted to use Travis Scott, let's even go with that. He's a nationally known musician and rapper.
Starting point is 04:00:35 You want to do something with him. The rock didn't need to be there for the scene of turn. It didn't need to be about the rock. And especially because you have to question if the rock's ever going to work a match again. So it's not like Cody is guaranteed a big win over the rock to overcome all these obstacles, all these things that have happened. couldn't somehow Cody have run afoul of Travis Scott
Starting point is 04:00:59 and there'd been a personal issue did Rock just have to be there to say hey Travis don't like Cody John Cena's whole gimmick was he was a rapper it could have been as simple as John Cena's friends with Travis Scott he worked with him to screw Cody I'm not saying I would have done that my point is if you wanted him to be a part of this and you wanted this to all tie in together nicely
Starting point is 04:01:19 the Rock caused a distraction that they never got past and despite Sina's, I think, really strong work on the mic, it never got past the distraction of the rock. And it's still there, I think. Yeah, in hindsight, I liked the promos because both guys can talk and they really, and they sound like they mean it, et cetera, et cetera,
Starting point is 04:01:44 but besides the opening kick in the balls, really it was Cody Crossroads deemed twice. and I said the second time, I said, well, this means he's definitely losing because he's laid seen out twice with no rebuttal whatsoever. But it just,
Starting point is 04:02:04 it didn't get there, dog. They should have had Brandy jump the rail and like spear Travis Scott. That would have got the biggest pop of the night. For real, I think she could take him. Brandi? She's talking about it. She definitely can take him. And now that you've said that, I'm thinking,
Starting point is 04:02:19 God damn, what a missed opportunity. have, we'll see how, what Cody has to say for himself, because he's going to have to say something for himself, uh, to mitigate any further damage over having the opportunity to keep the goddamn thing and make all the fans happy and being a sucker and not using it and leaving himself open for the old kicko and the balls. Again, it was very reminiscent of AEW Cody where some of the decision making was questionable. Of course,
Starting point is 04:02:51 This is a produced match and it's the world title match to the main event of WrestleMania. A lot of people had their hands in it, a lot of people have thoughts in it, but... Sina's had more contact with Cody's balls lately than Brandy has.
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Starting point is 04:10:02 when I need a razor, I got mine from Harry's. How many guys do they send? When you need shaved, how many guys do they send over there to do it? Because they've got a guy that's working on my toenails while the other guy's Again, that has nothing to do with Harry's.
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Starting point is 04:10:28 You're not going to believe this. Hold on me turn on the audio. Oh, Christ. Oh, Christ. Pat McAfee, obviously, although choked out and had trouble breathing, he was on his podcast today or his show, whatever it is. and his guest was Dwayne Johnson. Uh-oh.
Starting point is 04:10:43 Here's a quick... He showed up to McAfee's podcast, but he didn't come to WrestleMania. He must be in a snoot. You have to see the visual. He's not there. He is via Zoom or something, and he's wearing a nice shirt with glasses
Starting point is 04:10:55 to make himself look like an executive. Hold on. Let's go to this. Matches, first of all, I was very happy with the show. A couple of things I thought could have been better, which we're going to talk about here in a second. But overall, man, everyone,
Starting point is 04:11:08 the work rate of every single performer, women and men. Man was dynamic. I thought, man. Let's stop it there. A couple of things could have been better. If you're working there, do you want Drew Johnson going on a fucking interview to say this?
Starting point is 04:11:25 I don't mind if he says it to me personally, but I'd like him not to say it on fucking national television. Yeah, again, there's a whole interview here. Pat McAfee has sent it out. See, again, he put it about. a three minute video. The quote is, we could have inserted the final boss in the finish at WrestleMania, but then where do we go? Why get involved in that finish when the spotlight should be just on John Sina? John Sina getting number 17 of being a heeled champion is the anchoring storyline.
Starting point is 04:11:59 I agree with that. Why'd you get involved in the first place? Yes, once you showed up, once you were at the scene of the crime, you needed to be brought back. later for questioning, didn't you? Real quick, but before I even play any other audio, Triple H goes into the Hall of Fame gives the longest speech in the history of mankind thanks everyone he's ever met
Starting point is 04:12:23 and works with currently, except for Dwayne Johnson the Rock, who conveniently enough was nowhere near WrestleMania. Thanks for nothing. After inserting himself in the picture with the John Cena turn and as you discussed, was not needed. He was not needed for the John Cena turn.
Starting point is 04:12:45 It distracted from everything else, and then people expected him there. Him giving Cody the ultimatum distracted from people's consistent support of Cody. They were going to like, well, what's he going to do? Is he going to do that? It was completely a bump on a long. Yeah, again, there is tremendous disappointment from people due to the finish at WrestleMania night too, and a lot of it was from the expectation, how could the rock not be there
Starting point is 04:13:12 based on the way things went down? And now here he is saying the storyline is John Sino getting the title win. What would I do? The spotlight should be on him. What do you think of all this? Well, it was presented like that that was, he was the one that talked Sina into doing this.
Starting point is 04:13:34 Let's talk about you saying the final boss needs to step away to, you know, kind of let the spotlight be where it should be with John and Cody, who, you know, potentially you talk about John being the goat. There's a chance Cody when it's all said and done is also trying to vie for a spot on that Mount Rushmore Rock with his dad on the backside with you raising your eyebrow.
Starting point is 04:13:53 A lot of people just assumed you were going to show up, just assumed you were going to show up. So when Travis Scott comes out, they think there's a chance of maybe, you know, there's going to be a reunion from the elimination chamber. What are your thoughts on Travis Scott getting involved? and you saying, I need to stay out of that. Was there ever a moment where anybody was trying to tell you differently?
Starting point is 04:14:14 Like, no, no, no, Final Boss, anytime you're around is a good thing, not a bad thing. We'll stop this here for a second. Yeah, they all address him backstage. Hey, Final Boss. Please don't come around. That's what he's saying. Don't come around here no more. That was a very long-winded question from Pat McAfee, but let's get to a Juan John.
Starting point is 04:14:36 It had an element of dear leader in it, or like he was trying to talk to Trump. He had to put him over first. Oh, fearless leader. Yeah, instead of final boss. Fearless leader. Oh, fearless leader. Oh. No, well, they don't have to say anything like that to me.
Starting point is 04:14:50 And they know when I come to them and them meaning triple H and Nick and Ari as well. And I lay this out and I say, hey, here's how I really feel that you go. We can insert final boss in the end of this finish. But then where do we go? there's other commitments that I have. And I want to also be careful that we're not overstepping and leading over our skis too much here. Can get involved in the finish.
Starting point is 04:15:14 And I said, but why get involved in that finish when the spotlight should just be on, in my opinion, John 17, Heel Champion, what does 2025 look like if this man is saying he's going to ruin professional wrestling? That to me is the anchoring storyline. It's not soul right now. right now. Let me stop it there for a second. Again, that should be the storyline. You distracted
Starting point is 04:15:40 from the whole fucking thing. Well, no, but I think he's being nice. He's saying, hey, why should I I, I could be in the finish if I wanted to. But hey, let the kids have their moment. And again, when I talk to him over there, Paul, Nick, Ari. It's not like he's like, hey, let me call Bruce and run something by him. He goes right to the boss of the. the bosses, his boss.
Starting point is 04:16:06 We'll go back to it. He'll go back to the store. Look, I can't take the text that I got and from the guys that I got who are these top guys who are saying, you know, one in particular, who I love is my guy. You know, I call him the Superman of the company. He's like, listen,
Starting point is 04:16:24 my soul's for sale when it's time. I said, I love it. Let's do it. So look, I love Travis Scott involved. I'll tell you why, because he loves wrestling. He's a huge fan and he respects it. He's working his ass off. I know that he has plans to train with Book of Tea. Do you hate the Rock yet? Yeah, he loves it. He's working his ass off. He walked to the ring and took him two minutes and he got fucking dumped on his head. He's working his ass off. He's going to train with Booker T. This guy's fucking as big around as my wrist.
Starting point is 04:17:01 Let's not do anything to deprive Booker T of that. payday for this, but let's go back to this audio. I don't know if it's happening already. It might be not quite too sure there on his schedule, but he loves the business. Now, I was just a surprise to see Travis Scott as well, and I knew
Starting point is 04:17:20 the moment I saw Travis, well, that immediately amplifies, well, here comes to find a boss. And so again, I love, I love that. I mean, they were waiting. Let me stop here. he's unbearable.
Starting point is 04:17:36 Yeah, he needs to, yeah, just don't. The idea that he didn't know Travis Scott was going to be there. He was surprised by it, so now you don't know how much he's working. And of course, you know, of course that's going to amp up things, people expecting the guy who was walking with him to the ring. The last time we saw this guy. The problem, now he's just like, Travis Scott is my friend and he's a star, and I like hanging around him because he's with the cool kids, so I'll let him play on my show. Yeah, I think I texted you.
Starting point is 04:18:08 I texted you as it was happening. You did. You were like, are you coming out? And I was like, no, dude, I would tell you of them coming out. I'm not pay favoring you. But again, again, I loved at the end of the day, North Star, John Cena, he'll champion, 17, the goat, says he's going to ruin wrestling. Now we tune every week in every week to see how it happens. How that goes down.
Starting point is 04:18:31 No, we don't. He said how many weeks he has left. We don't tune in every week. We tune in 26 more weeks. That's what we tune in. Some parts of it I would have just adjust a little bit more. I would have fenced it a little bit more. But it was a great WrestleMania.
Starting point is 04:18:47 I think you all should be incredibly proud. Let me stop it there before he claps to the rock for the success of WrestleMania. If you were the boss, the Booker, whatever you want to say, Triple H is, and we'll use him as the example here. And two days later, you have someone. who at worst is an equal, but is actually higher up on the totem pole, do you want your boss, so I act for a better term, going on TV
Starting point is 04:19:14 and saying I would have done things better, even if you would have. Even if he would have. Well, we didn't listen to the entire interview, but did he enumerate on these things, or did he just leave it there? Because if he started dissecting shit, well, I think it should have gone this way,
Starting point is 04:19:32 then, yeah, that would cause some heat. it's a general all purpose well you know I would have done a few things differently but that's you know that's just to show that he thinks he's an expert and at the same time not specifically
Starting point is 04:19:47 crucify the other guy you have to see the video it's just such a performance like it's not genuine nothing he is saying sounds real it's a performance you have to see but that's the audio as we are recording jane johnson couldn't be a
Starting point is 04:20:02 WrestleMania but he was on the Pat McAfee show for the day after the day after mania. Jim, let's go to the day after mania, W.W.E. Raw. Well, this was, of course, April 21st for those of you keeping track, and they were in Las Vegas again at the T-Mobile Arena. So I don't know how many they had for Friday night Smackdown in the T-Mobile Arena. It was a pretty good-looking crowd. But then they did, allegedly, we will wait for further confirmation,
Starting point is 04:20:32 and 125,000 people at the stadium in two nights. And then they came in here with what they said was 19,262. And it looked pretty close to it because they had the small entryway with just a short screen and the guys walk out on the ground and walk down the tight aisleway. So they sold every seat they could get in this fucking building. And, you know, again, this, I, wonder how many of these people are actually from the Las Vegas area.
Starting point is 04:21:07 I would think it's heavily the out-of-town travelers. A lot of them foreigners probably come in. And they're reacting like the WrestleMania crowd reacts, which is basically at some point they're cheering everybody for doing everything. It's not like you can get any real fucking heat, except if you're like Dominic and it's cool, for them to boo you, but then they still kind of cheer you. And again, this was a lot of, a lot of things happened,
Starting point is 04:21:44 but it was a chance for the fans to see a lot of these people in person, you know, and hear him talk, and then something briefly happens. And they opened up with Sina, and he got a big pop. As soon as the music plays, they cheer, gosh, John Sina. but then he comes out and they John Sina sucks because that's fun and it works with the music and then
Starting point is 04:22:11 let's go Sina Sina sucks chance there's really everybody has somebody everybody has somebody that likes them and some of these people I'm pretty convinced Brian are doing both parts with John
Starting point is 04:22:32 gives the ring announcer, calls him in, and gives him the proper introduction instead of the disrespectful one that he did, and the guy reads the big introduction. And he is getting cheers and booze. And then they chanted, Sina, Sina. And then he opened to get, you think you can bully me on Friday, and because you cheer for me on Monday, I'm supposed to forgive you. This is not a functional relationship. I can still tell you to go to hell. you all owe me an apology and you're too cowardly to do it. And then the fans chanted, we aren't sorry. But then Sina said, you are sorry.
Starting point is 04:23:16 You're the sorriest bunch of people I've ever seen. You know, that got me sued in Baton Rouge one time, Brian. Did I tell you that? That exact line? I went out to introduce the Midnight Express and took the microphone and said, you're the sorriest bunch of people I've ever seen in my life. And then I introduced him, but we had the match on the way back. That's when the guy took the swing at me and fucking, I was trying to hit him and Dundee tackled
Starting point is 04:23:47 him and blah, blah, blah, and the cops are involved. And then the headline in the newspaper said, wrestling spectator alleges he was, quote, fed to the lions, unquote. And the guy, because he got beat up. and the guy said the reason why he was so incensed and had to felt like he had to come up there and go after me was because I had gotten on the microphone and called everyone sorry.
Starting point is 04:24:15 Some people are easily offended. But nevertheless, John Cena said, you people don't mean anything to me. And the fans chanted asshole at him. And then he counted down the days that they have left to see him before he's gone. And there's nine down and, 27 to go.
Starting point is 04:24:37 Not matches, just appearances. Because if you say I can't wrestle, I don't have to. And then he's the last real undisputed champion because he's taking the title home and keeping it and they can crown somebody else. And he said the best chance that you had was Cody Rhodes, and they booed. And then he blistered the fans for turning on Cody.
Starting point is 04:25:05 And finally he ends up, he says, nobody in the WWE has the ruthless aggression of me. But I'm going to do something nice for you. Get your cameras out because the last real champ is here and he's holding the belt up. And Randy Orton rolls from under the rig, comes out on the other side of him behind him. And when he turns around, Sina, says, shit. And Orton gives him the RKO. And that gets a huge pop. Randy, Randy, thank you for knocking out the fucking guy we were just cheering for.
Starting point is 04:25:41 See what I'm saying here? And in Orton held the belt up and put it across Sina's prostate, frustrate body. They like everything. There's nothing these guys. If somebody just rolls in and just butt fucks one of the guys, yes, give it to him. But now we can, remember I said something. at some point. You certainly did.
Starting point is 04:26:08 Oh, you lots. Well, well, I said something when we've been doing these shows about Orton, it depended on what they had, should Rusev have debuted against Orton. I said, it depends on what they're going to do with Orton. Or, you know, where it should have been Joe Hendry or whatever the fuck. Yeah. Well, it, obviously they're doing something important with Orton. So that's why that happened.
Starting point is 04:26:36 do you kind of rush through not that you have to rush through it but do you kind of if you're doing Orton now is it something where there's like a a one month time frame you could do Orton and you've got to move on to punk or something else
Starting point is 04:26:49 like you want to get the most out of Sina or do you see this I mean this is a long you want to talk long term booking with Sina Sina and Orton goes back to the very beginning Yeah and somebody said on Twitter it's going to be the first time ever
Starting point is 04:27:03 for a heel Sina and a baby face Orton all contrary mon frere because i was there we did it 24 years ago but i don't know if you have to rush anything because it goes through the end of the year which is going to take us through survivor series in terms of major events you got somerslam whatever i'm thinking that if they get seen it because remember he said 27 appearances that doesn't mean matches I'm thinking if they get Orton and punk and potentially, I would assume that Cody may get even. And there's you eight months if they can do all that then.
Starting point is 04:27:50 So I don't think they're rushing anything. We got to rush through this, all these quotes coming out now from this rock interviewer. Oh, you're just wanting to fucking bless him out a little bit more today. The rocks, according to Russell Purist, The Rock says that TKO CEO Ari Emanuel called him for help because ticket sales for elimination chamber were slow and wanted something must see.
Starting point is 04:28:15 He came up with the whole sell your soul idea for Cody Rhodes. Oh, good Lord. Then Triple H suggested John Sina, which I guess maybe that would have been after they already pitched John Sina on the heel term, but I don't know. Well, yeah, at some point either, well, no, what they're saying, is what he's confirming is
Starting point is 04:28:37 what we talked about, that he came up with the idea for Cody and they pitched it instead to Sina because I guarantee you Triple H either said, oh God no, you're not going to fucking turn Cody heel or Triple H agreed
Starting point is 04:28:53 with Cody. Oh my God, you're not going to turn me heel. And by the way, he's confirming some stuff that we said on the air and people jumped to me, oh, you're believing Dave Meltzer. Dave was right about it. at it too. Geez, just because he doesn't rate the matches you like
Starting point is 04:29:09 the same way you do, point that out. But you don't have to say everything he does is wrong. The stuff about Dwayne, we've said, he's got good Dwayne sources. He's got the best Dwayne sources, yeah. You just have to know kind of what to believe from, but both of these things
Starting point is 04:29:27 can be true. Dave can be full of shit and also write about a guy. That'll be it for now. We'll cover any other quotes from this on the experience, but it's breaking as we're recording. Well, speaking of breaking, they broke the string of the new women's tag team champions. After Becky Lynch and Lyric a valedictorian won them at WrestleMania,
Starting point is 04:29:52 they had a rematch with Liv and Rochelle and lost them back. It took 20 minutes, however. So I'm basically just going to tell you what happened in the end. Becky had been leveled and Live or Lyric or Lyric I should say was fighting them off both for a while but Liv hit her finish on her 1, 2, 3, beat Lyric, new champion
Starting point is 04:30:16 The people cheered The guy the heels won the bells back From our beloved baby face It just returned, yay! And then in the ring Becky Lynch picks up old lyric And hugged her and in clotheslinder And berated her
Starting point is 04:30:31 and started to walk out on her and then came back and got back in the ring and beat the shit out of her and then left and came back in and gave her two rock bottoms and started to leave again and the fans said one more time so she gave her another one.
Starting point is 04:30:51 And apparently because Lyric while she was still conscious and able to was just sitting there looking up at Becky scared and didn't make any move to fight back because it's her mentor. So I'll just lay here while you kick me in the teeth. And so Becky Lynch is a heel now.
Starting point is 04:31:11 Do you think she's going to be the woman in this alliance that her husband is starting to be involved with? I don't know. We'll see if they... Keep an eye out for that. They haven't done very much to have him and her do anything other than references every now and then. But I thought it was an okay match.
Starting point is 04:31:30 Well, maybe they just thought to keep Kay Fab up. If he's going to be a heel, then she's got to be a no good, dirty heel to. You know, I thought it was an okay match. I'm a bigger and bigger fan of Liv Morgan every time I watch her, and it's not just the skimpier outfits, which, you know, more of that. But it's what she does and how she does it, how she throws punches when she's trying to pounce. Like, there's little things you could tell she's a fan.
Starting point is 04:31:54 And I really appreciate her and I enjoy her matches. But there were a few spots in here, and I liked it. where it was Raquel and Lira, Lira Valkyrie? Valkyria. It's a horrible name. But they were going back and forth and the crowd died, completely went silent. And I don't think it was Raquel. I think they brought Lira up from NXT and they've given her a good push and it just,
Starting point is 04:32:23 it's just so, so, so far. So far not. He ain't getting over. And they're going to try. I mean, they're going to do something with her and Becky Lish. are they going to try, but it's not there yet. But you can tell that she knows she's trying hard to look at people and, yeah, cheer for me and fire up and everything. She's doing that a lot because they ain't.
Starting point is 04:32:43 But somebody, her facial expression, she goes from concerned and worried to confused a lot. It just the work ain't, ain't smooth. It's not flowing. I don't, you know, but it ain't, it ain't. It ain't happening for, she's not worth the lira that she's being paid. Not yet. But anyway, speaking of someone that they're paying a lot of money to, Rusev is back, formerly Miro.
Starting point is 04:33:20 And thankfully, they were teasing that we were going to get a tag team match play of with Otis and Tzawa and New Day when Ruseb's music played and he came down the aisle and New Day bailed and got the fuck out of there and Rusev beat up Tazawa and Otis and the fans were chanting Rusev day because the the heel came out and beat up their beloved baby faces. And they've also announced now that Lanna was that that was her name there and her what was her name C.J. Perry. There you go. Steve's sister.
Starting point is 04:34:03 You remember Steve Perry? He can hit higher notes than she can't. She has signed a legends contract, is what they announced. Now, that doesn't mean she's going to be a talent on television now. That means that they have put her in the category where, you know, she's a legend and they might do merchandising or marketing or whatever. the fuck, right? But does she qualify as a legend of the WWE? Or is this another, well, yeah, instead of paying you a million dollars, we'll pay you $950,000 and pay your wife 50 grand. And again, I think it's all, the big picture is just locking down the industry so that no one else has access to anyone
Starting point is 04:34:57 even purported legends. And that's a big part. of it. Purportedly. You know, we didn't even talk about AAA, about the fact WW announced that they purchased AAA, what do you think of this? What do you think of the idea that WW is buying one of the only two major Mexican wrestling companies, CML, owns their own buildings, now they're working with AEW, the week they announced they're working with AEW, WW announces they're buying Antonio Pena's AAA.
Starting point is 04:35:29 What do you think? Well, and that's right. I realized we didn't talk about that. We talked about talking about it. And here we haven't talked about it yet because in the middle of all this other chaos and all these shows and everything, this was just announced at what a pre-Ressomania
Starting point is 04:35:48 pre-show press deal or whatever. Yeah, on Peacock. Oh, yeah, by the way, we just, yeah, on Peacock. They were on the cock. we just bought one of the two major promotions in Mexico and so there's that they had obviously Antonio Pena's passed on right but they had what is his is that his daughter Maricella?
Starting point is 04:36:12 Oh no he had no daughter that's I believe his sister maybe and his nephew well you said oh no he had no daughter and maybe I remember now why that might be but I just I was trying to establish the relationship you didn't have to scoff at it so quickly. There were family members and they've carried on the tradition or whatever. And they were there
Starting point is 04:36:35 and she looks like a fucking Bond villain if they made the fucking James Bond movies in Guatemala. But now that and help me on this because again all of these relationships there have been AAA guys that have appeared for AEW.
Starting point is 04:36:55 But then in the past, but then just recently AEW has announced a relationship with CMLL, which is the other competing promotion down there. How long do you think they've known that these talks were going on that the WWE was going to buy the whole son of a bitch? They may have suspected something for a while because, you know, AEW has had their issues
Starting point is 04:37:21 with people involved with AAA, Penta, Phoenix, Conan, Conan Conan So it's not like they would be completely surprised and again I think Tony I would hope that Tony completely understands
Starting point is 04:37:37 and I think he does that WWE is out to shut the door on any competition worldwide so that is not under its umbrella or beholden to it that's not either owned by them
Starting point is 04:37:48 or completely subservient to them yes so and now did it well we just we were talking about their efforts to take over the world here on a, I think maybe the last show we did just a few days ago,
Starting point is 04:38:02 and we said they could probably do big money events in Japan on a limited basis, not be based there or do it a ton, but they could do that on their own right now. And they've, you know, they really wouldn't need to buy New Japan, but that Mexico, because the way they do business down there, and it's just,
Starting point is 04:38:23 it's unique setup in a variety, of ways. I thought they'd have more problems there than anywhere, so they have solved that. They probably agreed. Because they said, we're not going to try to do this even working with somebody. We're just going to buy the fucking thing that's already there.
Starting point is 04:38:40 But now the problem becomes, trying to figure out a way to state this, how the fuck is it going to work for the WWE corporate office that owns this entity in Mexico
Starting point is 04:38:58 to run it and to interact with the people, the N AAA that know how the business runs and have been running it, which is obviously I think why they bought it is they know the buildings, they know the market, they know the people, they know the advertise,
Starting point is 04:39:15 they do, whatever the fuck. Because remember when 30 years ago, when Vince tried to work with Antonio Pena, they couldn't even schedule the meeting again. get them there on the same fucking day. And then Vince completely emasculated all of the talent on his television because he didn't understand what they meant in the culture there. And the whole Super Astros thing lasted, what, 90 days maybe?
Starting point is 04:39:49 So how are the, it's going to be like if there was a language barrier when Sinclair broadcasting bought Ring of Honor. trying to, the wrestling people trying to teach God damn Sinclair broadcasting how that a wrestling business worked. Well, now you add a second language into that. With them trying to tell anybody that the WW has in their office or that they send down there how the business in Mexico works. This should be interesting. Do you think they made this move because of the relationship between OVW and their new owners MSM? obviously this new multinational, multinational conglomerate there to pick up wrestling companies.
Starting point is 04:40:38 I think they probably jumped in while it was still available because they figured, well, if they've already bought OVW, then AAA's got to be next on the list. And then they'd move the whole shooting match over to fucking Fabersham West Country. It was one of those periods of time, too, where you kind of, if you were a fan of AAA at any point, you would kind of wish the WWE network was still here, because it's not like they're going to upload the entire AAA archive, the peacock or Netflix.
Starting point is 04:41:07 So it'll be another tape catalog they own, and they probably, I can't imagine they're going to monetize it that much because how are they going to do it? Well, but hold on. They can, and then we'll move on with Raw here in a second, but I just thought of this since you brought
Starting point is 04:41:23 that up, you can geo, what do they call it, geo-block the things, or what would it be like if they had a service where all the people in Mexico that have been AAA fans could go on the internet and does AAA have this and watch all of the tapes, all of the shows? And if they don't, they might very well want to. And I don't know if people in Mexico or it's a cultural thing where they pay for a lot of
Starting point is 04:41:56 streaming or not, but even a YouTube. channel supported by advertising that would get tons of views, one would think. There would be a market for that in the country there, and that's the WWE's expertise, is they'll stream this shit up your ass if you let them. Yeah, and actually, that's a great point, because WWE has done a lot more recently with YouTube recognizing the strength of it, like the WCW archives. There's no other home for it, and you could put advertising on it, you could get it out there to the world.
Starting point is 04:42:27 so maybe you're right, maybe that's, maybe that is what they'll do. Well, in the meantime, what they're doing over on Raw was they got E.O. Sky, the new, not the new, but still the women's champion. She came out and screeched a promo in barely discernible English. And then Stephanie Vacker came out and did the same thing. I didn't realize she couldn't speak English.
Starting point is 04:42:57 either. She's from Chile. Well, I'm a little cold on her because now I had two people that I couldn't understand gnatering back and forth at each other and then they got in a match and it was long. And I moved on. Did you see what happened? I didn't see what happened. What happened? That's a good question. What happened? What happened was Roxanne Perez attacked EO
Starting point is 04:43:30 and then Julia and then Julia showed up and she got involved with the attack as well and then Rio Ripley made the big save what saving Stephanie Vakor and E.O. Sky. Oh, gosh. And then she handed Eoskeye the belt. Well, wait a minute. She saved Stephanie and E.O.
Starting point is 04:43:49 Stephanie's the one that came out and got in a fight with EO. But there was respect. I guess. I guess there was a level of A respectable fight. But then Rhea presented Eo with the belt and said something along the lines of, you know, I'm coming for that or I'll be back for it or even the announcers weren't sure exactly what she said. So now they got Ria playing with the children. God damn it.
Starting point is 04:44:13 Well, speaking of children, the Uso children, they did a video on Jay, his family, his history, the Uso's as a team, his journey as a single star, bringing from a child up until today, a wonderful editing job. Have I mentioned that modern music sucks balls? It's the music they pick. There's always good music out there. It may not get the promotion behind it. It may not be glam enough.
Starting point is 04:44:41 But there's always good music out there. It's the music they pick. Okay, well, the music they pick sucks balls. But this Segment J came down through the arena. He's got the new shirt, the heavy yeat champion. and they loved it and they waved and they yeeded and they chanted, you deserve it. And Jay did his thing where he blew up doing the promo,
Starting point is 04:45:05 but they love him. And then Sammy Zane came out and spent some time congratulating him and telling him what it meant to him. And then Jimmy came out and they all congratulated each other. And everybody was happy. It was a very happy segment. That's pretty much that on that segment. Nothing to add to that, really.
Starting point is 04:45:27 they all left. Yeah. They were happy, though. Did you believe they were happy? I believe they are happy. It was a very convincing performance. I believe they were happy. Did you think Sammy was going to turn?
Starting point is 04:45:40 Not really because they're not being stupid now. They're not just doing just stupid, self-inflicted wound shit for no reason, like when Vince was around. And nobody wants to boo Sammy Zane. They've got something there. If they turned him on Jay, I think it would start to give people a bad taste just with people turning and kicking other people into balls and everything. It's unnecessary. They had enough turns.
Starting point is 04:46:10 See what I'm saying to you? Yeah, hand me what I'm telling you. I do. Too much jelly on the bread, too much gravy on the plate. But speaking of gravy, I bet Pat McAfee had some in his pants. because Gunther came down to ringside, and this was, I think, my favorite thing, possibly on the show. Well, second favorite.
Starting point is 04:46:33 Gunther came down to ringside yelling at Michael Cole the things he said. He's pissed about their chanting. You tapped out at him now. He's just, Gunther's in a bad way. And he was yelling at Michael Cole and slapped a headset off his head. And McAfee got up and he shoved McAfee all over the chairs and down on the floor
Starting point is 04:46:54 and grabbed Cole it was trying to put the sleeper on him but Michael Cole turtled his head he was so nervous that Gunther couldn't get his fucking arms around his neck to fucking put the sleeper on him but McAfee came from the side jumped Gunther and started fighting him
Starting point is 04:47:13 and here came Adam Pierce and the agents and Gunther grabbed the sleeper on McAfee and I guess there were there are a bunch of guys there that are McAfee's friends, teammates, stooges, gardeners, whatever they are. They were trying to get in and the security and the agents trying to hold them back and the referees.
Starting point is 04:47:34 And Gunther's holding that sleeper and he's putting a little pressure on it because McAfee's face is getting red. And the fans are chanting, fuck you, Gunther. But he squeezed him and squeezed him until his britches were full, as Mama Cornett used to say. and then Gunther stalked out and was followed by the agents and they helped McAfee out and he was selling that like he was, you know,
Starting point is 04:48:01 coming back from the brink of death, he's kneeling down and choking and coughing and he can talk fine, I guess, following day. But I thought this was a good day. I love Gunther doing that shit because you believe it shit is breaking loose with this guy. and that was a nice deal to give him something to signal that he's going to be dangerous after he's just lost and he's out of control. And all they gave McAfee the rest of the show off and were, apparently had made the offer to Cole, but Joe Tessatori in a golf shirt and, you know, just unprepared, this was unscheduled, came back out after the break to take over
Starting point is 04:48:45 the announced position. but Michael Cole came back and was, you know, put off somewhat but was going to be professional and do his job. But this was a good little deal. What did you like it? I did. I mean, it was minutes before this. I was literally thinking I wish something would happen
Starting point is 04:49:00 at Pat McAfee's throat. I wish someone could get him to stop screaming, talking, doing anything out there. I want to like the guy, but he's the worst. And then Goethe came out like a Santa Claus and answered my letter and choked him out. And I'm like, oh, was that bad enough? And as he was leaving the arena, they showed him choking and coughing and...
Starting point is 04:49:22 Now, he's back on his podcast today. That's a bad sign. But if this gets him off commentary for a while, even if it was McAfee building up for a match with Gunther, doing promos or something, not to say he should be competitive with a former world champion, I'd like that McAfee more than McAfee on commentary, just yelling randomly throughout the night and acting like a big fan.
Starting point is 04:49:44 Yeah. as I said we need it get on the decaf and back a notch or to it it would be a little more palatable but and and they're not going to book I'm pretty sure Gunther and McAfee they're just you know so where does something for well this was something for Gunther just to just to tie him over till he does something else with somebody he's going to be working with just to get him some steam back some you know to show how verclympt he is over this whole thing to use of a Finkel word. And, you know,
Starting point is 04:50:19 that I think it worked. If it was building to a match with McAfee, I don't think it would be good because, number one, Guinther'd have to beat him pretty fucking quick. And that wouldn't do Pat any good as the announcer. And, you know, just why, right? But it was just something for
Starting point is 04:50:37 Gunther, get some fucking steam on it. Speaking of steam, they had an intercontinental title match with Dominic Mysterio defending against Penta and J.D. McDonough returned and interfered and helped Dominic retain. So Dominic is up one now in his first Intercontinental Title defense, and that was what it was. And there's been a lot of wrestling this weekend. So are you ready for the main event of Raw? Sure. Hold on here. Oh, boy. The audio died midway through it. Maybe that's fitting.
Starting point is 04:51:20 Son of a bitch. Oh, well, it's these new audio filters you got. The main event of Raw was a promo, as usual. And they played the music and here, of course they played packages all night where you understand what happened in the
Starting point is 04:51:36 big matches at Raw. So everybody was ready for this. The music plays, burn it down. And here came Seth Franklin Rollins and his new I don't know what he'll be here, not wise man, advisor,
Starting point is 04:51:52 advocate, whatever. Paul Heyman, should they now change the music to music, music? Should they now change the music to burn it down and eat it up? What about burn it down and then lose the weight? Listen,
Starting point is 04:52:12 what exactly is he burning down? Well, how much, weight is Paul losing? See, you can ask a lot of questions. But here, go ahead. If he's a heel, should he be coming out there with the music dancing and giving the audience time to get into it? Well, that's the point I was going to make is here is the Paul Heyman has just stabbed his best friend in the back and betrayed his wise man.
Starting point is 04:52:40 And this is the guy, Seth Rollins, that has beaten both of their, the people's heroes. And they've been doing it by hitting people with chairs and kick them in the balls. And when they come out, the fans woed as much as they ever did. And when the music faded down, they cheered Seth and kept singing. They like everybody. And the chance there was a small thank you, Seth. But then there was a bigger CM Punk and then a little smaller OTC.
Starting point is 04:53:15 and then a little bit bigger, fuck you, Heyman, because everybody could agree on that, right? At least there's some things that brings humankind together. And Seth was just standing there, milking it so they could chant for everybody they liked and, you know,
Starting point is 04:53:35 assisted living. I mean, they're chanting for everything. And he said, I took a wise man from Roman rains and I stole see him, Punks, friend. And now I'm the undisputed reigning. And blah, blah, blah. Champion, I am the winner of the main event
Starting point is 04:53:55 at WrestleMania. I am. And suddenly, like Mussolini! And a roll of tape, wrapping up his fist to fight. Here comes see him, punk to save the night. and he's going to hit Paulie. Punk comes down the aisle. He is taping his fists already. He's ready to, it's clobbering time.
Starting point is 04:54:27 And he immediately slides in and he and Seth go to the fight and he takes Seth to the corner. He's beating a shit out of it. Boom, and he's kicking him. Boom, boom, boom. And Paul is looking like he's trying to sneak up behind him or he didn't know what. Paul could creep a little bit quicker. Paul's not very mobile these days. But punk turns to Paul and Paul sees him
Starting point is 04:54:53 and the people chat, you fucked up, you fucked up. And punk grabs Paul and takes him into the corner. Ed and Seth is back up and he's in punk's eyes. And he rakes his eyes and he gives punk the curb stomped. And that's when the fans are chanting OTC and we want Roman. And then Paul got to microphone and started talking while Seth was carefully standing on Punk's head to keep him down. There's a new top star in this entire industry, Seth, Franklin Rollins. That's kind of what he said.
Starting point is 04:55:35 And as soon as Paul said that music hits, here comes Roman. And so now Seth throws punk out of the ring. got to be down there selling and Roman comes to the ring and he slides in and spears a shit out of set and Paul again is transfixed like oh shit and Roman spins around and hits Paul with the Superman punch and Paul Heyman took a bump that made Ox Baker look like Bobby Eaton. I swear to God, I don't know if every part of his body actually at the same time, ever left the mat. I think he rolled on the side of his foot
Starting point is 04:56:20 and kind of went down from calf to thigh to hip, a lot of hip. Am I lying about this description? No. If ropes hadn't been there, he would have rolled all the way to goddamn Paradise Nevada. He is brilliant on the mic,
Starting point is 04:56:42 but whether it's creeping up behind someone or getting ready for a nutshot or this, can't do anything physical without it being kind of awkward, let alone bumps, which he never took, even in his prime, he couldn't take bumps. I was about to say, I had that issue tried to work with him 35 years ago, 200 pounds ago. But nevertheless, he stuck his chin right out there and he was there for it. And he rolled to the ground. And then Roman was backing up and he's going to spear Paul. And I've got to think at that point, if Roman Raines was to spear Paul Heyman, they'd have, they'd get a
Starting point is 04:57:18 lawsuit because Roman would bounce over the top roping out at least into the second or third row and he'd land on one of the fans and but as he's setting up for the spear punk sees that and I'm sorry not punk but he's setting up for the spear on Paul is Roman and that's when Braun Braun Breaker
Starting point is 04:57:43 suddenly appeared and speared to fuck out of Roman and he revealed himself under his hoodie. He was wearing a hoodie. He was covered up so you didn't know who it was at first. Yeah, you had no idea. Well, you had no idea when this fucking giant figure comes in with the greatest spear ever. Boom. We think it's Braun.
Starting point is 04:58:04 But he unmasses Bron. And that's when Punk came in and tried to save Paul and Braun speared him. Or tried to get to Paul, rather, and Braun speared him. And then Seth hugged Braun. and Braun went to Roman and Roman punched bra. See, that's what it was.
Starting point is 04:58:24 And Bronn in retaliation of being punched by Roman ran a loop around the ring and speared Roman through the barricade. And then they got them down and Braun held Roman while Seth stomped
Starting point is 04:58:42 punk and then turned around and stomped Roman. So once again, punk and Roman have been left laying at the hands of Seth Rollins and now the future of the wrestling business, Braun Breaker. You know, it's amazing how that nobody saw that Braun Breaker is the future of wrestling
Starting point is 04:59:06 and is a main event superstar and needs to be shot to the top right away. It could have happened maybe even quicker, but nobody saw that. Did they, Brian? You have a good try. record the last several years. And on this show or this company, particularly
Starting point is 04:59:21 Jacob Fatu, Braun Breaker, you know, technically Seth Rollins. Because again, it all goes back to the beginning. He could have been a TNA. If someone didn't say, this guy could be a star if he goes there now. Please,
Starting point is 04:59:38 please don't sign that contract, sir. Please, I'm begging you. Forty grand a year. I'll be believe it was what I was hearing. They were going to, but they were going to give him a guarantee for a certain amount of dates with a minimum of 40 grand or something like that. But they ended up running about half as many dates as was promised in the contract that they
Starting point is 05:00:01 had showed him the following years. What do you think of Hayman having a group? At a minimum, it's going to be just these two, but we'll see what happens. But what do you think of Bronbreaker and Rollins together? I think this is perfect because we said Seth, you know, was being kind of received as a whiny heel and this. And then they've had this, obviously, they didn't just make this decision last week, so they knew they were going in this direction.
Starting point is 05:00:25 And Paul needs to be a heel. We've been saying that, but they don't want to switch Roman back because he's part-time and they ain't going to switch punk. Seth is, I think, going to be fresher because of this. And at the same time, Braun being involved and being able to sit under, I don't know if Paul has a learning tree. or if he's just more like a Buddha-type figure. No pun intended to some of these people.
Starting point is 05:00:53 But Paul can really be hands-on helping Bronn. And Bronn, being with Paul Heyman, the guy that was just with Roman Raines and CM Punk, and Seth Rollins, the guy who just main-evented WrestleMania, it makes him look like a bigger star. He's not playing with children anymore. So they just had to get that pesky belt off of him, so they get elevated him.
Starting point is 05:01:17 believe we talked about that. I really love where this is going. And then, you know, punk and Roman are going to have to get together and kind of work together and say, who can we call that could outsmart Heyman? And then they can call you and then we get you against the two guys that you picked that Heyman somehow with, you guiding these guys and then the battle over who gets Brock. No, I think they ought to call Stephen P. New.
Starting point is 05:01:40 I thought that's where you were going. Oh, no, I was going to you. Don't call me. Don't call me. I'll call you. don't call me, I'll call you. But in the meantime, call Stephen P. New. 8775 up Steve.
Starting point is 05:01:54 Well, again, sneak attack. No, they're not setting anything up to call me to fucking, no. If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve. But nevertheless. But yes, Haman is putting together another dangerous alliance. And boy, howdy, where are they going to go from here? Anytime I can see more brawn breaker, I'll take it.
Starting point is 05:02:20 Well, we talked about WrestleMania, him losing the Intercontinental Bell. He didn't get pinned. He just lost the belt. What are they going to do? Obviously, that's kind of a setup for we're going to elevate him past what I see title level is, kind of. And here you go. He's now mixing with the main guys, and he has Heyman as a manager. What more can you ask for?
Starting point is 05:02:41 Yeah, I just had to drop that pesky belt. Remember when guys always wanted to win the belt, because that, you know, meant you were a top guy, right? Promoters could even give a guy a belt and pay him less and he'd be happy. But now everybody's got a belt. So you need to drop the belt sometimes so you can get in the money spot. Not only do the wrestlers have belt, literally the celebrities they introduce walk out with belts. I saw more celebrities holding belts that they never won than I've ever seen before.
Starting point is 05:03:11 It was a rarity. I remember there was one kid who used to go to the Nassau Coliseum when I was a kid. and he had like a bullshit belt. It wasn't even like a WWF replica. It was just a wrestling title belt. He got out of like a magazine and he would hold it up like the wrestlers were going to see it and be like,
Starting point is 05:03:27 it's the champ or whatever they were going to say, but it stood out because no one had any belts. Now everyone has one. Well, yeah, the fans have belts now because now that they make replicas and that's an actual business and this goes on, the fans now have belts that are much better looking than the actual goddamn wrestling.
Starting point is 05:03:45 wrestling belts from 40 and 50 years ago because I've had a number of them in my hands of both categories. And the real promoters belts looked like shit compared to these fucking things. They were beat up and pissed on and bled on and screws missing. I read the Southern Heavyweight title belt in Memphis for almost a year one time had a fucking decal of an eagle stuck on the front of it because the fucking metal eagle fell off. Someone scratched the word stooge into the front of the mid-Atlantic North America, mid-South, excuse me, the front of the mid-South North American championship.
Starting point is 05:04:21 Yeah, and Kerry Von Erick scratched his initials into the domed globe, NWA World Title Belt. Oh, well, well. What are you scratching your initials in this week? That was WWE Raw, and I guess that's what we're, we scratched a lot this week. So questions return next week, we promise. Yes, because now that this insanity is over,
Starting point is 05:04:47 And on the experience, we're going to talk about Dark Side of the Ring and a little AEW as little as possible and some other of these things that are developing into wrestling world as we're sitting here now. And we'll see if the Rock responds to any more of the criticism that he's
Starting point is 05:05:04 getting from a lot of people. There's a reason why so many people are saying, Brian, we're sorry, you were right. And I'm not doing anything. I'm just staying. Hey, that sounds like, yeah, you called me because elimination chamber, the ticket sales were slow. He got that off the goddamn documentary of WrestleMania 9.
Starting point is 05:05:21 That's Hogan's story. Isn't it? Yeah, by the way, I don't remember ticket sales being slow. I mean, again, I don't know their internal numbers, but I remember kind of being like every other event they were running within months of that where I was looking at wrestle ticks every day. It looked like they had nothing to worry about. Didn't seem like any cause for panic, but, you know, just to make sure they called it.
Starting point is 05:05:45 All right, well, let's see how this all gets spun. but again, Triple H never said thank you or said anything about the rock and all of a sudden, I've got some thoughts on the booking that I would have done differently. Could you imagine? Name one of the time
Starting point is 05:05:57 in wrestling history that ever could have happened. It would have happened a couple of times in a locker room, but never out in public. Well, oh, this is my show. That's what you're waiting for. Yeah, I'm waiting for you to fucking tell me what to do.
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