Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 390

Episode Date: May 2, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim plays Guess The Program and reviews WWE Raw & John Cena's confrontation with Randy Orton on Smackdown! Plus Jim answers YOUR questions about moles, WWE ticket prices, Stan Hansen, CM Punk, closed fist punches, paintball, the Colorado Kid, and much more! Also, From The Files: Eddie Gilbert & The Tommy Rich Fan Club! Thanks to our episode sponsors: CORNBREAD HEMP:  Save on your first order! Just head to cornbreadhemp.com/jce and use code JCE at checkout. SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/cornette Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

go again friends thank you are our friends it's a nice sunny day we're in a nice sunny mood and welcome to another edition of jib cornett's drive-thru fun and games and laughter and all the usual things and all the usual suspects i'm your host the great brian lads that here he is the main suspect mr jim cornet you know how You know, you took enough of a pause in between playing with your organ and actually speaking to people that I thought just for a second, the split second, that the thought hit my head, do you think he's realized that what that sounded like he's going to just start over again? And then you launched right?

Oh, come on. That was a special version. Sunny day. That was a special sunny version. Yeah, sunny day version of it. That sounds like what they've already got warnings out in southern Indiana, Brian. Derby week continues here in Louisville. I'm telling you that this week above all other weeks of the year in Louisville,

Kentucky, people just dittled around and don't do, don't do dittly squat, as Mama Cornett used to say. As beau diddley used to say. Say again. As bow diddley used to say. Well, no, didly did squat. That's why those videos were. But nevertheless, the week of Derby is all the festivities and all the, and people just ass off this morning.

I'm trying to get the weather update on TV, and the weather guy and one of the anchors are out with the Bellarmine University basketball coach at Churchill Downs shooting baskets instead of giving the way. Nobody cares on Oaks Day Friday. Obviously, convenience stores, gas stations, hospitals, things of that nature need to stay open. but if you've got a small business, you're, it just fuck it,

Friday at noon for the rest of the weekend. And everybody just, they have all the festivities and the parties and things and such. And this is a shitty fucking weather week. And the Thunder Over Louisville was already canceled, which they said cost, the economic impact to the Derby City

was $125 million dollars that Thunder over Louisville brings that it didn't bring. And then they cleaned up the flood to get ready for, you know, all of this week's festivities. And now today, severe storms are going to come through this evening. And hopefully not anything like what we had a few weeks back. And then the front is going to settle over us.

And it's going to rain waves to tomorrow, basically Wednesday, thurby, which thurby is the Thursday before Derby. You see what they did there, Brian. Does anyone else use these names? You have a name for every fortnight. No, these are a few. Today, as we speak here,

is 5.0 Tuesday at Churchill Downs. Because the area code of Louisville is 502 and that's all the local people that wouldn't fucking be caught within 20 miles at Churchill Downs on Derby Day if they're not multi-millionaires in the goddamn box. with the barn stables or whatever,

they go on Tuesday, 5 O Tuesday, that's for the locals. And then the marks come in from all over the world. Sounds like it's for the cops, 5 O Tuesday. Well, you know, there's some people will be pulled over. But it's going to rain Wednesday. This is going to rain for Thurby. Now it's going to rain for Friday, the Oaks Day.

They're experienced rain right at the time for the Oaks going to the racing that Friday. afternoon. And then now they're saying it's going to hold over into Saturday morning when all these rich, insufferable, white, blonde, middle-aged women with their goddamn lunatic Carmen Miranda hats are out there trying to get on television. It's going to be pissing on them. This is this goddamn ridiculous. And they're expecting another two inches of rain over the course of this week to add to the nearly a foot or so that were were heavy.

So this is a wonderful fucking derby week festivity here in Louisville. You got it? Do you have some sunshine, Brian, that you can spare up there? Why don't they just postpone thunder and bring it back at the end of the summer? You can't do it.

Well, then it'd just be standing alone and it would be odd. And also, this thing is like planning some kind of military exercise. They go from year to year. They have dozens of military planes. They have the largest fireworks display in North America. Yeah, just focus on that.

Just focus on that. A minimized version of Thunder, just a big fireworks show. Well, then that's, if you minimize Thunder, then that's what AEW got when they're exploding ring turned out to be a popcorn fart. See, if people are used to seeing the whole day of shit and the bomber jets and the fucking wing walkers and the mimes, mimes are everywhere. and then boom they don't blow everything up it just wouldn't work

I don't think it was really about the explosion it was more about Eddie Kingston showing his friendship by saving on the body of someone and saving him from nothing but it was the thought that count is that the way Eddie Kingston shows his friendship by laying on another man in front of thousands of people and humping on him

I thought that was the way that a fucking dockson I don't think there were thousands of people Well, you got me there. Sorry about that. But I did discover one thing, Brian. I'm tracking, I'm getting closer to one of my old nemesuses, nemesis, nemesis, nemesis? One of my old foes. The nemesi. Well, that would be, then there'd be two of them, and I think there's only one. I've talked about the moles, right? Yes, you've talked about your nemesis, the moles. That's, I've talked about the moles. People think about Who are Jim's big nemesis or nemesis? They say, you know what, the moles?

The moles are first on the list. Well, did I mention to you that that son of a bitch, I think it, because I've looked this up on the inner webs, and it's not like a bunch of moles, it's like they're very solitary, they're loners. And when you see one, you know why. But it's just one that does like just nonstop tunneling through the yard rather than multiple of them, right?

Well, you say they're loners. Is it just one mole? Well, that's a thing. They don't like to be on top of each other. So if you see a lot of mole activity, it's in a specific area, it's probably one mole. It looks like that how the fuck

would one little thing like that do all of that, but it may very well be is what I'm trying to explain to you here. You're fighting me every step of the way. Trying to learn. I'm just trying to learn. Yeah, well, when we stop learning,

when we stop learning, you know, he looks like a mole. He looks like the mole man. Come to think of it, fantastic. What was that, Fantastic Four number three? Stop it. Don fell on, no. I know the cover you're talking about, but that's not nice, but the other day, what did you say to the other than,

Brocolitis? Broccoliitis. Don't worry your head starts turning into a lump of broccoli, but never, back to the mole. So did I tell you over the wintertime, Brian, that when we had that foot of snow and ice, that little son of a bitch got stuck, he couldn't get out. He was coming up to the surface of the dirt,

but he couldn't get through the foot of ice. Think about that now. Oh, wow. You had like a window to watch. It'd be harder to claw through. It was so frozen and it was so cold and it was so thick. So when the shit finally melted off, it looked like somebody had done a relief map of a bobsled run,

all over this place right outside the back windows where he was trying to freaking out, trying to get out. He moved landscaping stones underneath the ice. It was that frantic, right? And I'm thinking, well, maybe this sunbitch got the idea he's not welcome around the house here and he can at least go way in the back where I'm not going to be just right on top of it. And obvious of a Sunday, I went out because that's the only nice, decent, peaceful, good weather day we've had.

I had to go out and I did some weeding and whacking and hauling and wheeling, barrowing, and more on that later. But I'm, I've told you there's a drain I've got to clean out on my back walk there. And if not, it fills up, if it gets stopped up, it fills up an area with water about a foot deep where there's walls on either side of it. And I looked down in that area and there was that fucking mold. He was running around like a little bumper car because it was deep enough. They can't climb.

They can tunnel the shit out of stuff, but they can't climb. And he is, some of he has walked across from the ground onto the walk and then slipped off the edge and he's stuck in that area. And he's going back and forth off of the thing, bumper cars, trying to go from wall to wall. I can't get out. Looks like a goddamn blackboard eraser with feet and a pink nose. because they can pull if they pull their feet in and duck down

you can't tell one end from another and they're like a tube and they just well think about there is they're swimming in effect with these sharp claws they have through the earth in a tube like fashion why are you laughing

this is goddamn legitimate science here you son of bitch I find I actually like science teacher Jim Cornett the new Mr. Wizard Jim Cornett all right but even but right now he ain't got any place to tunnel and he ain't got a ladder. And I'm thinking, I've got him. I've got him, but I ain't going to, he's got sharp claws, right?

So I ain't going to get him barehanded as I'm looking around to think, well, now how am I going to scoop that some gun out of there? And I'm going to take him across the road and just throw him in the forest, right? There was one exit. He ran up the open downspout in one of the retaining walls. there is all there's the downspout from the gutters runs through there and there's a drain and then it goes into that other drain which is why it's getting a lot of water blah blah blah but enough about the the science of the water the point is he runs up the goddamn drain and i'm like

well fuck now i'm saying is he going to realize there's no way out up there it's dark and he's and then i thought well he's always dark he's under fucking ground he's happy now he's actually, instead of having to dig his own fucking hole in the dirt, he's got a goddamn PVC pipe. He probably up there fucking rolling around. Is this so smooth? So I can't sit there for hours till this little sunbitch comes back out, but there's no way that he can possibly climb up my goddamn gutter and that way.

But now here's the thing. It's going to storm here later on. And torrential rain will come again. again and then he will have no choice but to exit back out into the walkway area from whence he came and then he can't climb out if the water if the water stops up then he'll float to the surface but i've unstopped the drain so if the water keeps going down that drain when he can't go down that drain because there's a grate on that drain so he's going to have to fucking tread water somehow until that thing stops up

and then he can float to the surface and jump off to freedom. Or can you figure it a different way? What is he got another option? And this should play out over the next 24 hours. Over the next six to eight. But I'm not going to sit out there at a goddamn thunderstorm to watch and see if a mole shoots out a goddamn downspout.

What do you think I'm crazy? He's he looked like a water slide at goddamn six flags. out comes the bowl. Right across the deal. I had no idea that was going to be such an entertaining story. They're funny-looking little things. And speaking of funny-looking thing, before I turn your program back over to you, have you seen or have you heard about or even seen advertised but not know what's going on

with a television program, it's a documentary series called The Curious Case of Natalia Grace. Is that an NXT name? No, I've not heard of this show. I have not seen the show. I thought you were going to ask me about that series with the Von Erics that everyone was asking us about. No, I'm not going to talk about anything that anybody is talking about.

I'm fucking asking you about something and nobody wants to hear about. I've never heard of it, no. have you ever this is the goddamest thing that i have ever said it if we're good we talk enough about wrestling this is not related to wrestling and it is it ought to be if if you're a wrestling fan you might find some enjoyment in this somehow because it's a wing dong dandy as ed wailen used to say or whatever the it is i don't know what network originally did it or broad or whatever, but I think it's been on like discovery or the alert.

I can't remember because I accidentally looked at it several weeks ago. You know, I watched nothing for fun because after we watch all the wrestling and talk about that, I generally nod off and go into a coma for seven or eight hours. But I was laying in bed and I said, what in the world can this be? And I got into it. It actually kept me awake for a little while. and so every Thursday night they've been showing like multiple episodes

and they did six shows of season one and I think they did eight of season two and now they're on season three and they never run out of fucking story. This is all true. They have documentation. They have court records. They have videotape.

They've been interviewing these people going back like five years and they have all kinds of this shit. Now, are you wanting to hear the story, Brian, of this? What was the name of it again? The curious case of Natalia Grace. These people up the road, I think at one point they were living in Seymour. Rip Rogers may have run into this fucking woman.

But in Indianapolis, this couple adopted this, I'll call it. her a little person because she's not a wrestler. I'd call her a midget. But she's a, they adopted this like Ukrainian little person. And this was back in like 2009. And she was like six or seven years old, right? And over the next three years, apparently these people come to find out or believe that this is not a seven-year-old Ukrainian little person, but this is like a fully adult, 20-year-old little person who they have adopted and now wants to murder them

for whatever. That's like a twist, okay. So, oh, well, no, this is only season one, baby. This is only season one, baby. So they take this, she's not fucking, two and a half feet tall. I mean, she would be minute in terms of little people sizes that we're used to seeing. And she's got other physical issues. They take her and they get some doctor

to sign off on whatever he's got to do and they take her to court and have her reaged legally where they have a judge say that she's 22 years old instead of nine. And then they move her out into a goddamn apartment in, I think, Lafayette, Indiana, which especially on the wrong side is not the place for, you know, grown folks, right? And she's living in this apartment where she's got to go up this giant flight of stairs that would blow me up and they show her crawling up these things. And this is where these people move. And they're still paying for her food and shit. but they've moved her out of the house well then as things progress

we find out that these documentary people find her goddamn real mother in Ukraine who was alleged to be dead and she said no I got her birth record she was born she really was fucking nine but now she's legally 22 wait stop it hold on wait it's a nine year old crawling up the stairs

her own apartment, she really was not? Yes. Where they left her for a month at a time before they'd jig in on her. Oh my God, how could that, no way. Come on. Because she wasn't really homicidal and murderous. Come to find out this couple are bat shit fucking nuts.

And, oh, no, and the woman would not even be in her. There are court cases and all these things going on. He was taken into court. She's still she doesn't have anything to do with this. The woman, the wife, the mother,

but the guy, the father alleges now that he was a victim of the wife too, and he gives some goddamn performances. I'm telling you what. Imagine a guy who thinks he's Orson Wells on meth.

He is telling these fucking tales. He's on meth or it's Orson Wells on meth. Orson Wells on meth. A guy who thinks that he's Orson Wells and he's on meth. And he's over the top

lunatic. And then they bring in another goddamn midget slash little person from Indiana who was involved in who I don't, he's some kind of sex fiend and claims that the woman

tried to offer the little girl to him in exchange for some shit. I think maybe she was wanting to have the husband disappear and then they find the little people that wanted to adopt this little person, but somehow their adoption was mysteriously foiled

and they believe it was by these nuts that ended up adopting her and then going through and it's still going on. I can't wait for the next episode. There is more fucking heel turns and goddamn swirms. bro. But this is all real shit.

Well, thanks for giving it all away. Where is the... No, we don't even know. You got to see this whole thing. Where is the little girl now? I assume little girl. Where is she now? Oh, well, she was adopted.

Again, she lived with a guy and his wife. He was a bishop. He called himself bishop, but he was a preacher. But one of those independent kind of preachers. and his wife had several children that they had adopted and or were caring for and getting a check for the government for it. And she was as happy as a little person could be until this season. Oh, shit.

Then the producers get a cut. They have to add a season. It's a lights out goddamn season. They had to, they were done with this show and they had to add a season. and because the last time that they ended, we all was happy and she was adopted by these fucking people and come to find out now that goddamn the guy had called and said, we don't know what to do in Talia.

We got to get rid of Natalia. What happened? Well, that's what their story was. But Natalia's story is these fucking, I met a guy online, and he's smarting me up that these people. And then they have people trooping in to say, yeah, they're colloquial.

these kids and this publicity and this money and they're taking all of money for it they're just using Natalia but meanwhile then the guy calls back said no everything's smoothed over and then Natalia won't fucking knock her her adopted father stay tuned more shit's happening how old is she now god damn i don't she's got to be 40 by that no uh she would be hold on if she was allegedly she was 2002 she would be 23 years old now according to her birth mother in the Ukraine. Or yeah, that's the way they used to say it, in Ukraine, or wherever she's from.

And she would be, they added 13 years. So she's either 23 or 36. And she don't much look like 36. I can't get past the idea that they said she was actually 22. They put her in an apartment and she was nine years old.

It's like, yes. It's like a twisted movie or something. It doesn't see my real life. but they've got people testifying on both sides of this thing that oh yeah the other side they're completely full of shit and here and you believe all of them they're all fucking nuts

every single one of them crazy's a rainbow trout car wash you got to see this show I'm just telling it's on Thursday nights on one of the allegedly educational network it's on max you can see all three seasons on max well watch it on real goddamn television We're watching on Max. You can just stream the whole series.

You can get caught up. Marathon. Well, I can't stay up that long. All right. This is your show. Well, no, it's not, but you know what everybody's staying up for, don't you? This Saturday, May the 3rd, if the Kentucky Derby gets rained out, take the money that you were going to bet on the fucking horses,

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or what's the other option? Oh, YouTube, that's it. You're sorry, everyone. Blueberry blast. So, we're going to talk about that later on. Save me, too, from that yard work. But if you go to the YouTube video, Brian, tell my uncle Brian how this works now if you go to one of the YouTube videos while you're there

with the video on your screen there there's a place you can click to get the t-shirts for the show or the various corny shirt and thing and such also literally right under the video yes well there you go well it's not really video it's a it's a thumbnail award-winning thumbnails we have people remark about them all the time but it's not you don't have to just look at our fat fucking jolly faces and a massive macro close up. That's exactly right.

Once again, get those t-shirts. What do you think, Jim, considering all that we've done and continue to do and will do, what do you think of... I don't know how much I'm admitting to all that we've done. What I meant to say is take off your pants.

Where is this going? What? Hey! What I'm trying to say is, what do you think about YouTube turning 20? It's 20 years of YouTube. It started 20 years ago. What do you think of the impact of YouTube from what you've seen?

You know, I get 22,05. I didn't even have the computer, the computer, as they say, the Rasslin, the computer until 2009, because I didn't have a website until 2009, because I didn't, I got a website when I put together the Midnight Express scrapbook, and that's how that whole thing got started. so I didn't know what to fuck or care, thankfully, what the fuck was really going on. But I know that later on, you were the one who, did I ever tell you the Bobby Heenan story about the flip phone?

I don't know. We're at a legends convention in New Jersey in the early 2000s, and we're at the hotel afterwards and sitting there talking in the lobby at the bar table or whatever. whatever, and Bobby's phone rang. And he said, excuse me, and he answered it. He came back. He said, I told you about this, right?

He said, I'm the brain, right? He said, when I first got this phone, because these cell phones were new and the flip phone, the flip phone was the phone thing, right? There was no other. He said, he thought that when it rang, that was back in the day where you couldn't see the number on the top. to open it and then you saw the number, he thought if he just cracked it open part way,

he could peek at the number without actually answering it. That was funnier when he told it. Yeah, he probably had a good punchline or something. Well, but no, but that's the thing, is that you actually, I thought the same thing. But anyway, where was I going with that? We were talking about YouTube 3020. Oh, YouTube.

So I felt the same way when you and I, you and I started doing the podcasting here and the things and you said, well, we can do very well on YouTube. And I said, how can we make any money on YouTube? It's free. You can just watch it. And you had to explain to me how there was a potential ability to make money on the YouTube. So I'm really, I'm behind on the whole thing.

I can't believe it's been 20 years because I didn't even know the goddamn thing existed until as a matter of fact, I'd never seen YouTube until I got on Twitter. When did I get on Twitter? Stacey got me on Twitter. So it's her fault. No, I had 65,000 followers on Twitter before I'd ever actually tweeted myself. Because when we would take trips in the car, she was looking at Twitter. And she said, would you like me to make you, go ahead and make me a Twitter?

She's on her phone in the car. It's something to do. Or on her computer. I can't remember when you could do it then. But I do remember dictating things, well, you ought to say this. And she would tweet them for me in a car while we were on trips. And then finally about what was it, 12, 13 years ago, maybe not even, then I actually said, well, let me look at this Twitter thing on a computer.

I want to make sure that these things are going to last, Brian, before I invest my time in them. If it's just going to be some fly-by-night operation, I'm not going to waste time figuring it out. All right at Jimcornet.com, but happy birthday. Oh, was that still my plug? Yes, please. Derby day, spend some money with me.

Think of the children here in Louisville that are all rained on, the economic impact. When's the crusade? When's the crusade? The crusade is in June. At least it's indoors. They can't rain. Oh, shit, though. If it was storming and raining like that, they wouldn't be able to bring all the fire

engines down Main Street because it'd just be a goddamn mess. You haven't heard those words really just out in public in a while. When's the crusade? When's the crusade? I've been waiting. Just from them pesky Christians, but yes, the crusade for children is normally, hopefully, they haven't changed anything, the first Saturday in June. So we'll be looking forward to that.

All right, we're going to move on now. Yes. Into the fun and jolly. Damn, give me some warning. It did a fun jolly part of the show. Jim, I'm going to give you a choice here. We could do a review, whatever it is that you watched, and get that out of the way,

or we could start with guest the program instead of ending with guest the program. Oh, let's start with guest the program. Hold on. Just because I know the people wanted, the people want to change pace before we go to the trauma that was, you know, Kansas City, the trauma.

Okay. The trauma that was Kansas City because remember I've always made jokes about, yeah, you know, Kansas City was like the monogram pictures of the territories. And, ah, you don't want to go to Kansas City, ah, Kansas City, that type of thing. But they had 11,000 people in Kansas City. For Monday Night Raw, I'm just going to make that comment.

And Kansas City has grown up. It's a big money town now, but all those years they had actual wrestling matches. They wouldn't show up. But now that they will come out and speak to you, for half, I have set through fucking school teachers, giving goddamn speeches about lessons. I don't know what I'm trying to say there.

I haven't been in school this long. I've heard teachers drone on professors giving lectures. Lectures was the word that I was trying to use. that didn't take as long as these fucking wrestling promos. Did I make that clear? Well, as we were saying, guess the program is a game. Yeah. We go through programs.

People play. We go through programs in my collection. And Jim guesses all the important details of the program. Well, hold on now. Now you're overstating the case. I'm going to try to get the year and the town. And more. I haven't been doing too good lately

and more Let me put this down Here's our first one Jim The opening bout One Fall, 30 Minutes Oh excuse me One Fall or 30 Minutes Tony Milano

versus Frank Valois Ooh The next contest One Fall or 30 minutes Wally Dusick Versus George Lennahan The next contest One Fall 30 Minutes

minutes, Rudy Ducek versus Joe Millich. Good Lord. The next contest, one fall 30-minute time limit. Emil Ducek versus Bibber McCoy. And finally, the main event, the wind-up, two out of three falls 90-minute time limit. Ernie Ducek versus Gino Garibaldi. Good Lord. Okay, where do I begin?

I do not, I do not have any recollection of Frank Valois's opponent in the opening match, but Frank, obviously, was one of the, I guess he would have been the first kind of handler that Andre the giant had when he came to North America, right? That's right. It was him and then Arnold Scholland when Frank Valois and Andre had a falling out. And people, maybe the, because people have heard Tim White's stories on the Andre biography and some of those programs. But Vince, senior, well, going back to the Montreal days. That's what Valois's job was in that when they first started sending Andre out to the United States from Montreal,

he needed a veteran wrestler with him to, you know, to help. him because he was a giant and to know the ropes and not be bothered and at the same time it was his road guy and Vince Sr. continued that tradition with Skolin and then later on Vince Jr. with Timmy White, whatever. Wally Dusick was not he was not one of the original four members Ernie Emo, Rudy, and Joe, right? Wasn't it? Um, or was, was it, Ernie Emo, whatever the fuck. But Wally Ducick,

I've actually met like several people on his card, I think, or at least two, because Wally Dusick was an old-timer, and he was the father of Frank Ducic. And Frank Ducick was a wrestler who also worked in the, remember the Dallas office in the, some of the world-class days, Captain Frank Ducic. Yeah.

And Wally was his father, and Wally used to live in Charlotte and come to the matches at the Charlotte Coliseum when he had to be 80 years old. This was in 1986. And he used to tell stories about going to goddamn Alaska and working in the Alaskan tundra or whatever they call it up there, pro wrestling in the 1920s. And it was just insane. But anyway, Lina Han, I've heard the name, don't know too much about, but Rudy and Emil and Ernie in single matches on this car.

Joe Millich, I met in St. Louis when we went there for Crockett the first time, because, God damn, who was it now? One of the guys that had been to St. Louis and numerous times said, see that old timer over there? See, yeah, he said, he won like some really, ridiculous amount of millions of dollars in the goddamn lottery when it first came in somewhere. Joe Millich, and he would still come to the matches and visit with the boys, but he was like

fucking 80 years old then, but was a multimillionaire. Bibber McCoy, why do I think he was in the service? Did he have a servicman gimmick? Was he in the service during World War II? and Gino Garibaldi help me with the relationship. Brian, is this Leo's

father? Father? Brother or father? Father. I thought that because he would be too old because this is the 1940s and because of all the do-six I would want to say California but I don't know where Joe

Millich me. He settled in St. Louis, he could have moved there with his millions. And Garibaldi, it's in California, it's the Olympic Auditorium just because you're going to throw another one of those in on me. And I'm probably way off because it's going to end up being in New Jersey. But 1946. Oh, wow. Wow.

Monday, March 4th, 1946, 8.40 p.m. And this is at the Camden Convention Hall, Camden, New Jersey. You said of a bitch. You said what was going to happen and then you made it happen. I made it. Well, do you know, do you know that I have a program, as a matter of fact, it may be a good, this could have come from Big Andy Varga, your program,

because I have one of them in New Jersey. I don't know if there's Atlantic City or Camden, it's on the wall and the vault, and I can't look around there now with two Dusick's autograph plus Sam Minnaker. Oh, wow. And that was, but son of a bitch. This one, it just says really big,

four Ducix. And I'll read you just a little bit of the cover here. Hail, hail, the gang's all here. the gang of grappling duisics, four of them, Ernie, Emil, Rudy, and Wally, their Rasselin's

riot squad, you know, and customers cramming into Camden Convention Hall come Monday night may expect to make out with no end of wows watching these wallopers of pull-and-tug parade.

Excuse me, on pull-and-tug parade. I don't know how I would call it that anymore. The Pull-and-Tug parade. All right. Right. Box office flaggers around and about. What? Wait a minute. What kind of box office? What? Oh, no, excuse me, figures. F-I-G-G-E-R-S. I thought it was... Figure. That's an old-fashioned sports writer's abbreviation for figures.

A figures. Box office figures around and about the grappling globe prove indurability. All right, well, this is Camden, New Jersey. You, that was... We're going to get to the cornbread hymn spot later on, folks. You came so close to that. That was incredibly impressive. Let's go to this next one here. The opening contest, one fall 20-minute time limit.

Pat Freyley versus Chris Tolus. A special event, one fall 30-minute time limit. Patty Neff, 135, Rome, Ohio, versus Lanna Lamar 145 Silver Hill Kentucky Where's that?

I have No, I've never heard of that town in my life The semi windup Best of

Three Falls 45 minute time limit Lou Soberg I'm assuming S-J-O-B-E-R-G Okay

versus Adrian Belarjaran. Belerjan. I get it wrong every time. Another special event, one fall 30-minute time limit. It better be. Ruth Boat-Calley.

Oh, good Lord. 140 out of Brian, Texas, versus Ethel Brown, 135, Columbus, Ohio. And the main event, Best of Three Falls, one-hour time limit. Doug Hepburn versus Fritz von Erick. 250 Milwaukee Milwaukee What it says here

Fritz van derrick 250 pounds Milwaukee I've heard Fritz being built from Dallas and I've heard he being built from Germany but I never heard Milwaukee okay Pat Fraley journeyman of the 50s

of which this is Chris Tolos the brother of John Tolos The Tolos brothers were a great tag team before John had to run as a single, and that's some clue as to the location of this, because Tolos, the brothers were based in Ontario at that point. Patty Neff and Lana Turner, I've known. Lano, that had to be two local girls,

because they've got girls on the show later that you've heard of, but these, so these couldn't have. have been, you know, from, well, depending on whether it be the Mildred Burke, Billy Wolf, early Mula contingent, depending on the exact year of this thing. I don't know who Lou Schloburg is, but Adrian Belersian was a member of the Montreal Belersian brothers. They were strong men, wrestlers, weightlifters, etc. And that's another reason why, this is going to be somewhere in Ontario and or upstate New York. Ruth Boat-Calley was a name from the early 50s, Mildred Burke crew,

and so was Ethel Brown. Doug Hepburn, was that, was that or was that not, Brian, you can tell me without cheating. Was that Doug Gilbert, as in not Doug Gilbert, the Gilbert Fassett? from Tennessee, but Gas House Gilbert, was that his real name or am I thinking of something else? You might be right. There's a picture of him here. Seemingly powerful. Red head, very powerful upper body chest. And Fritz von Erich is Fritz von Erich very early. The question is, could this even be what year did he actually get the Fritz von Erick gimmick? because this is late 50s,

and if it's it's either going to be Ontario or the Buffalo, New York metropolitan area 1958 The card Saturday, July 2nd, 195

No, that early. Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Calgary! Son of a bitch, he... Foothills Athletic Club's Stu Hart President. I should have remembered. He went to Calgary first. And he asked about the women here.

Ladies bouts, big surprise. Fast-moving lady wrestlers, two of them considered to be the best-looking girls in the acrobatic sport have been matched in two special events at Victoria Pavilion Saturday night. The matches were made unexpectedly by the Foothills Athletic Club,

which had already contracted Doug Hepburn for a main event match when I found out the girls would be available on the same date. Rather than lose the chance entirely to bring the four glamour athletes to the city, President Stuhart wired immediate confirmation of the date even though he was already out on a financial limb with Hepburn's guarantee.

Of the four, Lana Lamar has been rated by professional talent scouts as a natural in any major beauty contest. What does that mean? Oh, good Lord. She's been rated by talent scouts. She is a natural in any beauty contest. And not far behind her is Patty Neff, 19-year-old glamour girl from Rome, Ohio, who will oppose Lamar in one of the two bouts. So there we go. and oh you know what no

Doug Gilbert's real name was Doug Lindsay was it not that's right that's right so Doug Hepburn I think is a different guy and Doug Hepburn

the Canadian strongman sensation at the 1954 British Empire Games is already well known to Calgarians Calgarians yes one of those

for the spectacular feats of strength he has performed in the Calgary Ring now he makes his local debut as a wrestler. For many fans, however, it won't be the first time they've seen the massive heparin in action on the mat. He has been a regular performer on TV programs brought to Calgary from Toronto where he has been grappling under the personal supervision of Whipper Billy Watson.

So there you go. That's a pretty big endorsement for 1955, or Billy Watson's protege? well and you know what also we have both you and i have programs from 1953 and early 54 from dallas sportatorium fair park arena with jack atkinson still on the card there a year later he's main eventing in calgary so that happened quick that's what i've say about that i'm grabbing another one by the way that first program with the do six ticket prices let me just uh before i put this away $1.90, $1.35, $1.10, and $85

available at the Adam Hat store. Okay, now, look you here. Is that a suburb of where the Camden would be out of how far from Philly? It's more Philly than New Jersey, yeah. You could say it's Philly. The ticket prices, because we've been talking about this, we just read a letter on the last show we did, some Los Angeles research, the tickets in 1946 at the Olympic Auditorium were like 50 cents apiece,

and they were struggling, business was down. And I mentioned, Jesus Christ, they were charging more money in Nashville, Tennessee, to get into matches in 1946, and they were in Los Angeles, California. And here, Camden, New Jersey, $1.90 is the highest rip. price we've heard yet for ringside for 1946 between Nashville and Los Angeles. Camden, it must have been a rich city back in those days. Well, Jim, let's go to our next program here.

The opening contest, the Demon versus Darrell Cochran. The next bout. Akai Yoshihara versus Jerry Oates. You do and you'll clean it. it up. The next contest. Tarot Kabayoshi versus Big Jim Wilson. Billy Spears versus Sputnik Monroe. Good Lord. There will be a 10-minute intermission. Buddy Colt versus Bob Orton Jr. Colt has been hired by J.C. Dykes to get back the

Inferno's boot taken by Orton Jr. He took the clubfoot Inferno's boot. Huh, interesting. Non-title match. The Infernos with J.C. Dykes versus Rick Gibson and Tom Jones. Next, we have a six-man tag team bout. Jesus Christ, an All-Star card. Butcher Vashon and Stan Vashon and Bobby Dunkham versus Ramon-Torremone

Torres, Bob Armstrong, and Mr. Two Wrestling is the way it says it here. There'll be a five-minute intermission. Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I miss somebody. You got you got Mad Dog Vutcher.

Mad Dog Vulture. Mad Dog Butcher and Stan Vashon and Bobby Dunkham against. No mad dog. No man. It was Butchers, Van, Van, Stan Vashan, and Bobby Dunkham. Okay. I'm sorry. I thought, okay, but okay, very good.

I guess Tori's bullet and wrestling, too. After the five-minute intermission, the main event, a two-ring over-the-top rope, Battle Royal, $5,000 purse, and a trophy to the winner. Oh, well, Jesus, Mary and Joseph, if that, if that ain't the Omni,

but it, it seems early for the Omni, but maybe not the Open the Omni Center. It's almost, well, first of all, let's go down the cast of characters. Daryl Cochran, he was a longtime Georgia, Alabama talent, but didn't he marry, he married somebody in Fred Ward's family, his daughter, Leon Ogle married the other one. He was involved some kind of way, I thought. Jim Wilson obviously is a famous name for all the infamous reasons in the wrestling business.

And that's why this, I was at one point going to lean to the Mobile territory, but this can't be anywhere but Georgia because of these names. But Jim Wilson, that puts the window at really. 71 to 74 already. Jerry Oates being on the card, again, indicates more Georgia, unless Fred Ward went out of his mind and opened up a baseball stadium for this show. Billy Spears was the mad magician,

bleached blonde guy, and that was his gimmick. He could produce foreign objects from, from any place, and, you know, even if the referee searched him, and he served as a manager for a while. Sputnik Monroe was way famous, everybody knows. They know Bob Wharton Jr., who was

close to being a rookie on this card and was working with Buddy Colt, who was an established heel and one of the top heels in the state of Georgia, or a state of Florida, rather. The Infernos,

this clubfoot was Frankie Kane. He had the loaded boot. And it was this was this him and Curtis Smith probably or well nevertheless yeah I don't want you to cheat or anything Ricky Gibson was Robert Gibson's older brother and this I think would have been his first main event run in Georgia it almost had to be because he had really gotten over in Alabama in 71, 72-ish. Tom Jones, baby face.

The Vichans had a run in Georgia for quite some time, even in the 60s. Ramon Torres, Bullet Bob Armstrong, wrestling two dates it also. This has got to be in the Omnia in 1973. God damn it. The program, Jim, August 24th, 1973. The Atlanta City Auditorium.

Oh, son of a bitch. The first annual NWA two ring over the top rope Battle Royal. They put this card in, no wonder! No wonder they were losing money. They put that card in the city auditorium. That's one, two, three, but that's a lot of guys. Well, all right, I got the town, and I got the year I didn't get to build it. Here it has the updated 1973 NWA official wrestling rules sanctioned by the NWA.

Major rule change. The count on the floor is no longer 20, but has been changed to a 10 count. The rule went into effect August 11, 1973. No hair pulling, eye gouging, strangle holes, or biting, that is what it says there. no pulling of trunks, masks, or other equipment, no straight punches or kicks with the point of toe. Note, contestants who repeatedly violate any of the above rules will be disqualified. The following violations are automatic disqualifications.

Throwing opponent over top rope. Karate thrust... Strike into referee. Karate thrust to throat? I was going to try to do them off the top of my head. Okay. Karate thrust to the throat, throwing a man over the top rope. Two.

Attacking the referee. Was running the man into a ring post? Were they doing that then there? Hold on. I don't see that one, no. And also the pile driver. The pile driver hold is, once again, automatic disqualification. Failing to break an illegal hold before the referee's five count.

Well, everybody knows that. Any low blow, or any blow administered to opponent with a... jump off the top rope. That's in cap. Ah. There you go. Because this was an NWA territory. And until I think they started,

what, in the late 70s, you could come off the top in Georgia, right? But before that, it was like Tennessee, when if you jumped off the top rope and made contact with your opponent, that was an automatic disqualification, if the referee saw it.

Which is why when they brought snooka to St. Louis, when he was the hottest baby face in the business, people wanted to see the superflies, so he did it, but they disqualified him for it. He lost the match. Well, the other automatic disqualifications here, the use of any foreign object, any interference with the duties of a referee,

you said that, continuing to abuse a defeated opponent, any interference by managers, seconds, or corner men, and now we go to the tag team save rule, automatic disqualification when one team member saves another on any shore pinning or submission combination.

That's interesting. Wow. A lot of territories, they got that deep in Georgia, in the rules, but they didn't necessarily always enforce it that deep, whereas like in the Tennessee territory, they didn't even, you know, bother to go that deep to begin with. but a lot of territories would have a one save rule. I think didn't they do that in the Carolinas for a while, where you were allowed to save once,

but if the second save was a disqualification, or then you couldn't save it all. Or one time, Jerry Jarrett, when he thought that I think Lawler may have been booking it, he had the managers up and, you know, interfering and all the time, and the people got disgusted tired of it. so he instituted a rule that if a manager got out of the chair, it was an automatic disqualification.

He had to sit at a chair in ringside, which severely, you know, maybe the old timers liked it, but it hampered, you know, guys like Jimmy Harderby or whatever to be in that position. But gradually, as they reduced the manager interference and it only happened behind the referees back, then people forgot about the whole thing,

and they just kind of let it go, and then they started doing it again. And then nobody can't, because they hadn't seen it for a while. So it was just, you know, different, different areas would have slightly different tweaks on the rules. Intentional striking of referee will result in an automatic disqualification and suspension.

The following maneuvers are illegal. Judo chops, forearm blows, bolo punches, in-step and flat of foot kicks. The use of ropes to gain leverage. Contestants may spring against the ropes as in tackles and other such maneuvers, providing the contact with the ropes is momentary. It is legal to continue wrestling your opponent until he is clearly entangled in the ropes

and referee calls for a break. Wrestlers caution to protect themselves on the break. Championships cannot change hands when the victory is gained by disqualification. in any situation not covered by these rules, the NWA will honor the judgment and discretion of the appointed official. And there are the official NWA rules. Georgia Championship wrestling with Gordon Soling and Les Thatcher in Atlanta,

WTCG 17, Saturday 6 to 7, Augusta, WRDW, Channel 12, from 2 to 3 on Saturday, Savannah, WJCL, 22. They're on Saturdays from 230 to 3.30 and also in Savannah on WTDC 11, Saturday 11 to midnight. That's in the middle of the wrestling war, so that's all their TV stations. And that's interesting that they didn't give, because Fred Ward at that time was technically

a satellite territory, wasn't Columbus, Georgia, Macon, Georgia, and some of those spot shows. They worked together with the Atlanta office, but Fred Ward owned those towns. So it seemed like they would have enough of a working relationship. They would have plugged Columbus and Macon and Phoenix City or whatever the fuck Fred was doing down there then. But hmm.

Because he even had his own TV show. They did. A lot of times guys would, they would rush from the TVS studios in Atlanta in a 70s down to Columbus and do a fucking studio show in Columbus and then have the, house show that night. And the rumor has always been that those master tapes actually do survive, right? I heard for a while they were in, I think Fred's daughter's name was Rose

and she married Leon Ogle and they had them in their garage somewhere. I don't know what the fuck at this point. But it would be nice if they surfaced while we were still alive. They wouldn't be worth, you know, the Star Wars franchise, but it would be interesting. All right, one more program here, Jim. The opening contest, Tito Copa versus Benny Ramirez. Ronnie Paul versus Killer Cox.

Danny Little Bear versus Rock Hunter. Roger Nature Boy Kirby versus Steve Bolus in a non-title match. And the main event? For a tag title, I won't name, the champions, handsome Harley Race, and Baron von Roshka versus Rufus R. Jones and the Stomper. Well, and that would be

Archie the Stomper, not Guy the Stomper, right? That is correct, although I feel like I'm giving something away by saying that. Well, no, you're not because I knew that. I'm being facetious with you. Okay, besides Tito Kopa being a famous bandleader, wasn't he? I thought he was a...

You're thinking of Tito Puente. Ah, there you go. And the Copac. At the Copa, Copa, Coteo, the hottest but north of Incinito. Benji Ramirez was the mummy.

Not my mummy in Smoky Mountain, but the mummy, the other mummy. One of the original mummies. Killer Carl Cox, everybody knows, was a classic worker and nut character and Dick Murdoch's idol. Ron Paul, is that Ron Dupree? It's not going to make any difference either way. I don't know.

There's no picture, so I'm not sure. Don't know. Danny Little Bear is one of the more famous native. Let me just say, if we're doing that, based on the picture here, I'm not sure this is Killer Carl Cox. Seriously. It's Killer Cox instead of K-O-X

C-O-X. Ah, well now, but is here a picture? He has a chin-strap beard, no mustache, and hair. Dark hair. It's not killer. Okay. It's not killer. Okay.

Well, let's scratch that one off, you pretend. Uh, could Danny Little Bear was a Native American star in the 60s and 70s, which this is getting close in the middle there. And specifically in the central states, he was a big deal, but he worked Tennessee for quite a while. He lived in Western Kentucky back in, I think it was the late 70s, early 80s,

or whatever, and I don't want to malign his character, but he spent some time in the big house. house over some kind of various violations of things. This was after his wrestling career was over with. Rock Hunter was a wrestler, but was more famous to the modern audience as a manager because he was on Georgia TV, etc. Roger Nature Boy Kobe, along with Les Thatcher and Dennis Hall, the wrestling cousins group, remember from the early 70s?

and obviously with Rufus R. Jones and the stomper against Harley Race and Baron von Rashke, this whole card is central states, whether it's, whether it's Kansas City or, you know, one of the environs, is it, where else would it be in the central states area with this number of names on the card? It's got to be Kansas City, and it almost has to be, what, 19, with Von Rashky was headed for greater things. He would win the title, but he could have worked here at the same time

as he was working for Bruiser in Indianapolis because they didn't really have that full of a schedule in 70, 71. It was 1971 in Kansas City. The date Thursday, October 29th, 1970 Memorial Hall Kansas City, Kansas

There you go Apparently killer Cox here was also better known as Freddie Sweetan Ah Freddy Sweetan A name you never hear when people talk about that dirtbag

Bob Sweetan is gimmick brother Freddy Sweetan But well because it wasn't his fault He was only a gimmick brother He didn't share any of the same poisonous blood Well, there it is. Guest the program, I'm going to call this a success for you because you came so close to saying New Jersey.

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They have the they meaning the WWE, they have mega stars. They have the biggest wrestling stars in the world. But they can't risk the health of those megastars and they can't make those megastars go out and wrestle for 20 minutes every week because they're older, so they have to come out and talk for. for 20 minutes every week.

Or elsewise, you know, many of them would be in fucking traction. I understand that. But has it ever, we can talk about what they talked about. But before we talk about that, Brian, has there ever been an interview in wrestling where it took them so long to say basically so little? This went forever. it did go a while. You were waiting for the big, you know,

aha, you were waiting for something. You know, I mean, I'm interested in it, and I thought if you seen us really doing his last year, you kind of have to do something with him and Orton, if they're both there and they're both healthy. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll say, I mean, are they building to just the one pay-per-view,

and then they, which is like a week, and then they move on? I'm not opposed to the match. But this was more like a debate in, you know, it's a 30-minute talk program. Because with 30 minutes with commercials, this would have been a 30-minute television show. Just this interview, if they'd have put commercials in the middle of it. That would have been your time. They're cheering for everybody now. They're cheering.

As soon as the scene of music plays, they get a big pop. Then they say John Sina sucks, John Sina sucks, John Sina sucks, because it fits. And in Sina does a thing where he calls the announcer in and hands him the note. And they're chanting, let's go Sina Sita sucks and for a long time. And then the announcer does the proper introduction that Sina feeds him and they cheer and boo. And then as soon as Sita goes to opens his mouth, Horton music. and he comes walking to the ring, trickling to the ring, meandering to the ring.

He's milking it. The song is longer than stairway to heaven. And they're liking seeing Randy Orden, but by the time he got to ring, I needed to shave again. And then Orden starts with, in a couple of months, it's going to be 25 years since we first met. And I'm like, my God,

he's going back that far. But he didn't necessarily go back that far, but he could have. And he does the promo. Millions of kids looked up to you, John. Generations and generations of children looked up to you. Who is he, Captain Kangaroo? What's of generations and generations? It's like one generation is 20 years, right?

Anyway, and he talked about how great a person that John was until, you know, all this is happening. He's, I figured out how you need to fill the void in you. You need to have kids. Then you'd be back to who you were. It would make you a better human being. I'm like, I don't know whether that fucking line necessarily got over with many of the audience, especially at Cina's age. and also I've heard that you have more experience than I have,

but I've heard the kids require a lot of attention. Yeah, I mean, and people who are really self-centered may not want kids. Yeah. You know, again, it's such a weird. Yeah, because you've got to be centered. You've got in life, and that they have courses and they have coaches and they have speeches and seminars to help you be more centered.

You've got to take yourself and you've got to center it and be self-centered. But still, what the hell was this? What was Randy Orton? I don't know what this was. Randy Orton hitting him with that. It was just such a weird. Well, you know what? You know what now after when John goes off on the,

I bet it was John fed him, said, tell him, tell me I need to have kids. Because then Sina says, how dare you parent shame me in front of the whole world? Congratulations. You have kids, but good for you. I don't have kids because I've spent 25 years raising all of yours. And he's yelling at the face.

and then he cut a promo on some six-year-old kid in the front row. Your dad's a loser, kid. Yeah, that was a very interesting part because he's never been that harsh with any fan ever. That I can remember. And all of a sudden he's like, your dad's a loser. Then he starts going after the kid. Yes. But, you know, and if he could have kicked a dog, I guess, too.

But then Orton does this. Well, without the fans, there'd be no WWE. there'd be no John Sina. It's the World Debate Federation. And so they went on more about the scene of the fans have manipulated the truth to feel good about their lives. Or they both did a great job of delivery. And Orton, he's fired up. He's got energy.

Talked about his family tradition and wrestling. And then Sina was very snotty to him. You know, I've won 17 titles. You've won 14. when I take this, you're going to be frozen at 14, you babbling moron, and three generations of your family will be erased. Babbling moron. Babbling moron.

But then Orton, who for no provocation whatsoever has just been known to lay waste to people, said, well, in that case, how about we fight right here right now? and then Cina says no so Orton turns around disappointed like oh now what can I do he won't fight me how could I possibly and then

Cina says it shouldn't be here they don't deserve it it should be at backlash in St. Louis your hometown because I want you at your best he wants him at his best again The heel wants the baby face in his best. Because this is as close to the belt as you're ever going to get. And then he tossed him the belt and fucking nailed him and got some brief heat on him

and went to hit him with the belt again and Orton ducked and R.K.O.D. And now every time, every time somebody touches Sina now, the first bump he takes, he's there lifeless for the duration. I'm thinking somebody ought to do the old Dick Murdoch thing and throw the fucking cup of ice and hit him in the back of the head and see if he'll take a bump over the top rope. And then the fans chanted Randy, Randy, Randy, Randy. They're just there to cheer at everybody

as they go through the Shakespearean drama that they are presenting. But God damn, it's just, I don't want the billion-dollar stars to take bumps every week, especially at their age, but holy free, holy. And it just takes a while. Well, at least they started with that. And that's as far as I got.

Well, that was Smackdown. That was Smackdown. But no, we had a big Raw. We had a big Raw. That's why this is all, it's all preface, all a preface to the Big Raw, because that's on Netflix and everybody, that's where the world is headed onto the net to watch their

flicks. and they had 11,000 people in Kansas City, as I mentioned earlier. And holy, it's not the Kemper Arena anymore. I was at the same building and they renamed it. Or when's the last time you were in Kansas City? Never. Well, see, I thought you were a world traveler and we're all cultured and been everywhere. You've never been to the Golden Ox Steakhouse in Kansas City.

that you have never had a piece of cattle byproduct in your mouth, son, if you have not gone there. That was purely not even a paid promo, just a recommendation. That was wrong. I wonder if the golden ox is still there. Yeah, that was raw. The golden ox was closed so we left. This is a long program also, but now I'm thinking, okay,

You know, they can't just build up to WrestleMania every week. It can't be every week just cataclysmic events. And it's probably going to be what another six or eight weeks before they have another pay-per-view. And then I realized they got another pay-per-view of what, two fucking weeks now? Is backlash? It's lashing back at us? A week and a half somewhere around there, yeah.

Is it, what's the date? May the 10th? If that's the case, it would be to 23, three weeks after the two nights of WrestleMania, which is, it's quick to come back. But the show-long drama here was between

of all people, Seth Rallens and Sammy Zane. Because they opened the show with Seth and Braun and Paul Lee coming out to the ring and boy, again, you know, Braun immediately fits in, in a suit,

he looks like a million dollars like a top fucking star coming out with the other top stars. But the fans are still, they're woeing for Seth. They're cheering. They cheer when he won, when he mentioned that he won WrestleMania. And when he mentioned punk and rains, there was some booze for them because he was mentioning them. But then they got some chance going.

and when Cess says, we are the future of this industry, they cheer him. So this is just, it's a personal appearance where you get to see the great actors playing their greatest dramatic scenes on stage, right?

It doesn't make, could he, could he eat a baby or, you know, do something cruel to a goddamn doxon? And they would still go, whoa! As long as it's a hook. I mean, you need a hook.

Maybe that's the thing. He's going to do it with a hook. What did you think of Bronn Breggler out there? Made you forget all about Wardlow. Kind of had that look, but chiseled and it was like, wow. There's Wardlow. There's a name that I haven't thought of or heard in a long time. Is he still getting paid to be invisible?

I believe he moved back to Bulgaria. Well, I heard there was an open apartment. So it's funny, this Bulgarian-American pipeline. We got anyway, Seth says they're the future of the industry. Everybody cheers him. Sammy's music plays. And Sammy comes out and gets cheered. And Sammy came as a friend to tell Seth this is a load of crap.

You knock punk and Roman, but the one thing that they had in common, him pointing at Paul E, is with you. And maybe you're just jealous, blah, blah, blah. And then they started arguing about what their vision for the future is. Because Seth, obviously, this is,

the heel is not saying I did this for selfish reasons. I stabbed these people in the back to get ahead. He said, I did it for everybody. I did it for the good of the company. And now the heel tells his longtime friend of 20 years, because they go back 20 years with each other. I watch get out of harm's way.

Get transferred to Smackdown. Get off of Raw. This is not a threat. It's an offer. You'll be safe. We won't have to hurt you. So is this the first time in history that a heel has ever actually begged a guy

and yeah they're going to come back and do more of this but he's begging the guy let me send you away please please I don't want to do anything bad just go over here by the way how did they get the decision-making ability to do this

well because of the wise man because he's got you know pictures of all this when he was you know in that lingerie at that drag show in Bolivia but you heard about that well yeah there was a one cell phone camera

but then that's the show long deal and let's go ahead and instead of breaking it up let's continue because later on they had Sammy Zane in the locker room and Paul sits down next to him and blows off fat Otis like yeah give us a second and Paul Lee has the heart to heart talk

with him we're we're OG bloodline and Paul gives the Paul speech. He says, Bron wants a match with you, but Seth is offering you a pass. You get traded to Smackdown, and Sammy,

you will face the winner of Sina and Orton for the world title. And that's what you've dreamed of. You can live in the future or die in the past. And then he leaves him to think about it, and he goes around the corner, and he passes Bronbreaker that's there, smiling and rubbing his hands together and twirling his waxed mustache. So does Sammy really need to be the world champion if he can't tell that a fucking guy

that was to beat the shit out of him is seven feet around the corner? He's always having this emotional conflict with everything. He's a very emotional person. Yeah. So then later on. in the back. Jay Uso wished Sammy well and do what's best for you, right? And then Sammy walked off and the camera froze on Jay for a while

and then Logan Paul's fist came in and knocked Jay out. So Sammy Zane gets wished well by a friend of his, walks 20 feet away and doesn't hear the fucking guy get the shit knocked out of him. But anyway, and they did it all night. Finally, the time has arrived. Seth Rollins is in the ring. and he calls Sammy out again to talk it out. And they play the music and Sammy comes out again.

Did we ever establish why Sammy Zane dresses like Fidel Castro? I was wondering the same thing. He's always buttoned up to the neck. I mean, just what, there's nothing. But the whole, the Army fatigue fucking shirt thing and the cap, he's not going for the combat boots. It's not a revolutionary. He lives in the safety of Montreal.

Well, Seth is the revolutionary. In what way? Well, he's a visionary. What's the vision? That he's a reactionary. What's he reacting to? The dictionary. Hold on.

Anyway, Seth says, look, I'm in a tough spot here. We're friends. We've been friends for 20 years. And he's still telling him, I don't want anything bad to happen to you. And I wrote, this is taking. so long. But Seth is that we're the way forward for the best future.

For the company, for all of us. What can, again, isn't the heel supposed to say, fuck everybody. I want to be, I want, I want, I want to be me, I want good for me, I want to run things. I want everything to be good for me. Yeah, it's like death

riders bullshit. Like, we're doing this to save the company and save the future. Now, why? For who? For what? And forget about it. Sammy, forget about it. Sammy, that you don't believe in me,

it hurts. Because when my baby was born, I called you first. Wait a minute, it's supposed to be the other way around with Seth's baby was born and shouldn't the Sammy called him. Said, hey, congratulations.

I heard you had a baby. But Seth's baby was born and he called Sammy. Maybe Sammy didn't give a shit that he had a baby. I just want you to know. We had a baby. we're registered at babies are us it was nine pounds and two ounces it was 22 inches long so he called sammy apparently for kid advice and sammy gave him some kid advice so now i want to

give you advice sammy take by advice that could save your life now they're threatening to kill him now there's a difference between even though we've been friends we've got to to take this thing over so if you get in our way we got to beat you up but now and not we're going to kill you if you stay on raw and you don't believe me bad things are going to happen and he starts begging him he's begging he's saying literally use the word i'm begging you sammy leave don't make me do this look what you made me do don't make me hurt you and sammy responded to say hey our kids play together he just threatened to kill him You threatened to kill my son's daddy.

Duddy? And Sammy said, I think you're playing games. I've confided in you that the WWE title means so much and you dangle it in front of me. But have you ever known me to run away? I wrote, my God, this is a lifetime movie. And Sammy say, you're threatening me. I can live with being a target but not being threatened. because when I wrestle and win the WWF title,

it'll be on my own and not with your help. So now as a friend of yours, Seth, go to hell. And then they pray, pray. I was praying it'd be over. And then they played on. It was a real twist there. Yes. Seth was such a nice deal.

He was trying to save this guy. And then he dunked him in a bucket of water. No, they played. Braun Breakers music and I say finally but before we talk about this match again this is the most dramatic heart-wrenching

gut-wrenching do grown adult men speak to each other in this feeling fashion well you know this is kind of the issue in a way with the Cody Road stuff recently in a way he didn't

not even cheat he didn't take advantage of situation in front of them and he got made to look like a fool, WWE's baby faces are always weak and kind of, you know, again, Bob Backlin-ish baby face for no good reason. Like, I'm just, I'm all about being good and doing good. What's wrong with you? But hold on now. AEW has been much worse with the weak baby face department.

You've got to admit, but they haven't been weak until here lately. I might have been seen. a lot of them have, well, weaker. A lot of them have easily hurt feelings, it seems like, or whatever over there. That's just, uh, but yeah,

it's a long interview with a lot of heartfelt, whatever. I mean, the whole show was built around this. It was the whole, it was a show long, you know, like, you know, Alfred Heyman presents. And it was his, it was his drama in three parts.

Well, then they ought to play funeral march of the marionette for when Braun comes out. But nevertheless, here came Braun and we're going to have a match. And I'm like, well, thank God. Because at least in this case, they have a main event match that's going to be better than their usual main event promo spot that they put in. And Braun Breaker is a pro wrestler doing pro wrestling things. He shoots a guy off and gives him an elbow. Glory, hallelujah.

I just, again, this is. it's odd in today's world but this guy's fucking superstar and they had a good match because Sammy can work and he's a fucking rag doll when he sells and he fights from underneath

and then finally he foiled a spear and went for the kick but Brant hit him with a spear and then hit him with a second spear and then he's laying there selling and Seth again leaves that Sammy take the deal take the deal

and Sammy go to hell and he got another spear and then Sammy rolled to the floor at Seth's feet and the referee called for the medical and say you hold on here and Seth gives Bron the little signal and Bron jumps out on the floor

and loops around the ring and hits him with a super spear poor Sammy I don't know if he's going to make it. They could be going to take his life. Certainly the fans are incensed and the fans are chanting one more time. One more. Yeah, they loved it. God, dude. Shoot Bambi's mother again. One more time. And the referee called for the bell to stop the heels from doing any more damage to Sammy Zane and the fans booed him. And they started chanting one more time. And they started chanting one more

again. And, you know, in all honesty, Zane should have bled from the mouth. That's the only way they could have made this any better. But in front of, I mean, anybody until the last couple of any crowd, I shouldn't have until the last couple of years, oh, Jesus crap.

Now they're like, yeah, fucking fuck him up. And then while the doctors were checking on Sammy, Seth ran in and gave him the curb stomp. And the fans were singing Seth's song when they were going off the air. Whoa! As it went off the air. And they love Sammy, but they don't care.

It's all phony and they're just cheering people doing shit now. And this has really ramped up in the last, what, three or four months. But it wouldn't be. fun anymore to be a heel. Because even if if it's like they were with Dominic or they do with said Logan Paul, they

still boo him, thankfully. I mean, it used to you used to be able to feel legitimate heat in the building where when you had eight or 10,000 people or whatever it was and they, in the, I'm talking 70s and 80s, when they legitimately hated you and you,

You could feel it, you knew it. Now, sometimes that created hairy situations when the legitimate hate went too far, but you could feel that. That was a heels thing. And even when they started booing, but you could tell they were just kind of fun booing and they didn't really want to see you hit by a car or wouldn't knife you or whatever, at least that was some kind of feedback. It wasn't as good as the, we want a knife you kind of heat,

but it was some. But now, no matter what you would do, people would cheer for it. What the fuck is... I don't think it's no matter what you would do. You have to be a baby face worth cheering beyond like, yeah, I always have liked him. There has to be a reason.

When Sammy Zane comes out there and his only reason is, hey, I see you guys out here having fun. So I thought now's the time for me to stop the fun. The entire arena is having a great time with Heyman and Rollins and Bronner. I just thought it was time for me to do my speech and really give you all, lot of guilt. What the fuck?

That's the point. They're having great, great fun with the bank robbers counting their fucking loot. I mean, it's, they're still they're all, they do heinous things to other people and hit people in the nuts and stab friends in the back and people, yeah. That's what I said the other

day, get him down in the ringing butt fuck him, yeah, give it to him harder. We want to say yes. Who's the big baby face in WWE to stand up against them that won't be made to look like a fool? Hopefully, Cody, if he can get his balls up out of his watch pocket from where they've been punted and, you know, do something about it, hopefully Cody. Orton, they're not going to boo him.

I don't think under any circumstances. But they're just all having fun. And it just hurts my heart as a legitimate heel. I like it. I like the idea that Sammy Zane is a. Babyface for no reason got laid out and the fans were chanting and one more time. They just wanted more death. Yeah, we've had enough of him.

It's time for him to go. He'd you again. Like give De Niro a baseball bat in a movie and let him just cave some fucker's head in. Well, that was, that was, that was, W.W.E. Raw. Well, there was, was there anything else? Actually, I'm looking at the notes. Oh, do you see? and McAfee.

Well, go ahead. What were you going to say? I was going to say, did you see Lyra and Becky? I saw some of it, but Becky can talk. She's got a lot of energy. She's got a lot of fire.

But then she started in on old lyric, and I saw a lyric come out, and I cared less, and they got in kind of a sloppy fight where they swing their arms and don't really hit anybody, much like the other girls did. Did you see nothing on SmackDown?

any other day with Naomi? Oh, no, I saw the one with, oh, with E.O. Sky, Ria Ripley and Roxanne Perez, where they all fucking hit each other with playing arms without hitting anything. I'm going to show you, you keep talking. I'm going to send you a link to the mother of all these incidents.

Oh, good Lord. What are that, what is that? It's not only that, but it's HD television now. It's high death. It's not a goddamn VHS camcorder at ringside anymore. do people think that in this day and age of television and technology, they can just swing their fists within a foot or so of somebody's head or body and obviously make no contact and

think that their motion is going to make up for it? Why is that even a thing? I don't understand. Well, the one I just sent you, it's an official WWE video. So after it happened, they still put it up. But it's a, I just sent it to you, you'll get it shortly. I saw this on Smackdown, and I couldn't believe it, and I was like, I wonder if anyone else saw this. And then immediately the videos started going around. It's worse than dark order. Like when they were just punching the mat,

it's the worst thing I've ever seen of my life. But it's just terribly entertaining in watching it. Some people have attached some slam dance music to it and various things. There's been various videos going around. Well, I should mention before it shows up because it's still not, Ah, there it is. All right. In that case, I will,

should I just click on this now? Why not? I'm clicking on this now. And, oh, it starts right to, oh, oh, oh, oh, good Lord. She looks like she's either having a spasm or attempting to have some kind of, she's using Jade Cargall like a Sibian.

Well, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And she missed her on a slap. not one blow. Her hands are, I don't even know how to explain it. It's like she's punching. No, ladies and ladies and gentlemen, she straddled Jade Cargill

and then just began flinging her fists up and down, attempting to swing in the neighborhood of Jade's head and arms. And at the same time, she was snapping her head back like she was riding a mechanical bullet gillies. And kind of a toddler having a temper tantrum. Yeah, this was her attacking the big bodybuilder Jade in the middle of the match. And she just went on her and just started dancing on her. I don't know to explain that.

And she's got her stuck in the corner and it's just silly looking blows now. And good heavens. Well, they do that kind of thing over there, don't they? And I was going to mention Gunther and McAfee. and you were right, but I didn't believe, I don't know whether I want to see this or not, because I can't believe that they would want Gunther to be competitive with McAfee.

In a match at this current time, I thought they were giving Gunther something since he lost, you know, the title at WrestleMania, well, fucking beat up the announcer, get suspended, take some time off. But they're going to have a fucking match, and unless Gunther just beats the, T-total piss out of him and won't finish him off and somebody else in Gunther's future

comes to help Pat, then I don't like that they're doing this. And I know he played in the NFL. But now, I'm sorry, he's established as an announcer and he's never been a great wrestler. And the last time, I think about a year and a half ago, didn't he enter the Royal Rumble and climb out in fear rather than be touched? Remember that one? That was after his feud with Adam Cole and NXT. Remember that one? Yeah,

so point is, no, this does not need to be a competitive contest between Gunther and Pat McAfee.

But he did a promo that he, I bet he worked on for a while. I expected to hear the fucking Green Acres patriotic music

playing in the back of it as he started really getting into it. Da-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D battle him of the Republic. But anyway,

we're going to, we're going to see that soon. So that's and there was some other things, and we don't care on Raw. I guess not. That was WWE Raw. Those are your only thoughts about the Pat McAfee, but what do you think of call him Michael Cole the goat,

the greatest of all time? Well, I'm not opposed to it. He just didn't bother to mention what he was the greatest of all time at. That would help narrow it down a little bit so that we'd know. Is Michael Cole the greatest wrestling commentator of all time? Oh, good God, no. And that's not even an insult to Michael Cole. And I don't know whether Michael Cole would want to be called that legitimately.

It's his friend cutting a promo. So, you know. But that doesn't mean he's the shits. I mean, there have been plenty of fucking shitty announcers, too. He had years where he was the shits. If you're talking about any events producing him and holding him back, too. But if you're talking about, you know, the greatest of all time, it has to be between J.R. Lance Russell, Gordon Solie, and who else can

I be thinking of? He's not only, is he not the greatest little time? He's not even the greatest a Monday Night Raw of all time. But it's not his fault. Because he's, he's better than Art Donovan. He wasn't on Raw. That was a pay-per-view. King of the Ring. I remember. I was there. and I think that was the same night that the governor was there and his name was Governor Schaefer but Lawler called him Governor Budweiser because Schaefer beer was

I don't know if they had it all over the place but it was a famous discount beer down south that Norman Frederick Charles the Royal Kangaroo liked to drink and Lawler called Governor Schaefer Governor Budweiser and it caused an incident. So Goother versus Pat McAfee is one of the top matches now, obviously, for this pay-per-view.

Is that the issue? You know, there's no way, you can't envision really them doing it without it being competitive, but for all logical booking reasons, in no way should it be a competitive match. Well, no, and I'm not saying that McAfee shouldn't throw a blow. I'm saying that, you know, after some carefully orchestrated things that will get people happy about Pat and make Pat look like a man standing up for himself.

Gunther needs to just beat the goddamn shit out of him with no real particular great comeback, I don't think. And somebody would theoretically want to help poor Pat at that point. Well, that's what I'd do. That was WWE Raw. And Jim, before we, I move completely on, from the WWE stuff. A bunch of listeners sent this over, so let me ask you about this.

It's quite extraordinary. Someone on Twitter named Andrew Beidala, according to his profile here, he has been featured in Sports Illustrated, The New York Post, The Times, Maxim, CBS, Fox, NBC, and more. For what? What has he done to be featured for? It doesn't say, but I'm assuming he's a reporter or a writer of something sort.

He was in Maxim? Was he in a swimsuit? Well, it says here, confirmed with on location and WWE, this is for SummerSlam 2025 MetLife Stadium in New Jersey. The Elite Plus package prices for first row floor centers on TV side are $40,000 per ticket. What? And he confirmed that they are sold out of this very limited quantity. Wait, what?

The tickets include premium front row seating, in-ring photo op at SummerSlam, private transportation to the events. An elite welcome event, a private section at all-inclusive pre-show hospitality, with superstar appearances by Kevin Nash, and more. And more, wait, wait, how did Nash get stuck with his duty? Post-show press conference access and desk photo op Tickets to both nights of SummerSlam and tickets to Smackdown and Raw as well on the first and fourth of August and more

So that's the first highest ticket price So we have another one here But let me get your thoughts on this Wait a minute hold on one second First of $40,000 per ticket And they're sold out How many did they offer to? What?

Their business is now based on everyone, their business is based around finding the people who have the most money as opposed to finding the most people. But who has, even if they get to go to the raw and the Smackdown and the two nights, it's $10,000 a show and a meet and greet and, you know, a coupon for a slice of pizza, whatever is in there. That, how? Well, let me follow up on this.

The nonsense. front row is just an elite package and is priced currently at $32,500 per ticket. It includes premium front row seating and in-ring photo op at SummerSlam, a private section at all-inclusive. Why would it be all-inclusive or it's private? Private section and all-inclusive pre-show hospitality with superstar appearances by Kevin DeHash and more. The post-show press conference access and photo desk op.

tickets to both nights of SummerSlam and more. How much is that? 32,500. Jesus Christ. These are new cars. What? Again, you know, I don't care how much money you've got.

There's a lot of millionaires in the world, yes, because there's a lot of people. The upper two-percenters in a country of 350, people, that would mean there'd be 7 million of those. So yes, people have money, but I like to fancy myself as having done reasonably well. And I'm not talking about just rest, I wouldn't pay $40,000 to see anything, would you? No. Oh, you know, possibly one or two people that I don't like having illegal things done to them, but that's not a really a possible option.

To sit front row and get driven to the event and get to take your photo in the ring, is it worth it? I'm just flabbergasted. When they started the WrestleMania concept, I don't know what the prices were for, you know, one through 10 or whatever the fuck, but when I was working in the office for,

what was it, 12, 13, 14, in thereabouts, I got the ticket prices. I think Bob Collins talked them into doing a $500 front row in Los Angeles, I believe. And you got to take the chair home. Hey, we have something here. I'll follow up on this. This is from the Coltokornaf Facebook group.

Someone named Blaine F. Wheeler posted this. this may be worth Jim and Brian talking about on the podcast since they already mentioned Endeavour and TKO pricing people out during WrestleMania 41's review. The last several times WWE has come here to Lexington, Kentucky for weekly TV, I have bought front row, ringside tickets, and VIP packages. Since my time sitting front row in 2019, the price of the tickets have nearly doubled, with the most of the first of four. offensive jump being from last year to this year, bear in mind, these prices are for the exact same section and row each time. $2197, the same in 2020. 2023, $550.204, $585.253. $3. Jesus Christ! These are also the base ticket prices, not including taxes and fees.

When you factor those in, it's over $1,000 per ticket just for a TV taping, greedy motherfuckers. I'm even more flabbergasted now that people are sitting there cheering and singing when they're watching people talk to each other. I'd be in the ring with a goddamn stick starting to fight. Hey, somebody hit somebody, motherfucker. Boom, boom, boom. This is, talk about the rate of inflation. And we, you know, the inflation calculator and the way that they figure things is on the internet. You can look it up, but we've been talking about things in 1984.

A dollar then is like $3 now. That means everything should have tripled in price. And remember I said the Wendy's triple combo indicator. It's about almost exactly right, three times what it was then. So Wendy's predicts the economy, but any wrestling ticket in the country, in 1984, that was before the first WrestleMania, I know for a fact that the Superdome ticket prices, highest price was $50. What was a front row ticket in Madison Square Garden back then?

Brian, do you have any idea? I couldn't tell you, but when I started, I think Georgie Amacropolis sold me hers once for like 50 bucks, and that was in the 90s. I know that the Great American Bash 86 ticket prices when they toured stadiums, highest price, $50. and the WWF, they didn't run that many stadium shows, but when was the last Shea, Shea Show, Shea Stadium Show, 80?

1980. August. They didn't charge $50 for the front row. They didn't even have seats on the field. Well, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. But the point is, so the most expensive wrestling ticket in 1984 that you could find anywhere,

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so I know they can up yours. Jim, let's get some questions here on the drive-thru. I'm going to pick up where we left. off last time, we had an email from a listener, Greg C, who was going through OVW 2000. Yes. Which he said was on YouTube, apparently.

Speaking of Russ McCullough... Oh boy. Why were we? During the five or six months, he had 20 seconds in the ring with Robbie D. Where, if you squinted, you could make yourself believe

Russ would turn out good. outside of that, I think I saw him fall on his ass giving a big foot at least twice. Yeah, yeah. There are two stories about Russ that come up and shoot interviews. A, that Kane came to the gardens and overheard him bragging that he was bigger than him. And B, the Undertaker came to the gardens, and Russ sized him up or otherwise disrespected him. Are either of those true? Hold on here. Wait a minute. Let me stand up for a moment. Hum to yourselves for a minute.

Let's see here. I'm trying to see. Hold on here. Wait a minute. I'm trying to see the lineup. This is what we call exciting audio, ladies and gentlemen. Sounds like he's having a stroke. He's back. Okay. I'm back now. No, the entertainment. Story is not true because Russ McCullough wasn't even on the card the only time the Undertaker came to OVW. I don't know if he was caught bragging that he was bigger than Glenn and Kane, but that sounds like something he would say because he couldn't, he never could figure it out that he was just because he was bigger than other people didn't necessarily mean that he was more enjoyable to watch.

but I mean that's minor stuff. Undertaker would have fucking laughed. And I'm sure if Kane heard it, he did laugh. All the boys would laugh at Russ McCullough. I'm not trying to bury the guy. He just mentally wasn't prepared for, ready for, or a fit for the wrestling business. And physically, he was seven feet tall,

but he wasn't even seven feet. feet tall like old big bill where he looked like a well-conditioned athlete he was seven feet tall of fucking pudding and he you know the the double strap top over the shoulder and the fucking long black leather pants like every diesel wannabe was wearing and long blonde hair that you know just a just a blah look and i i just i just a blah look and i i just told you he he picked his entrance music here is this seven foot tall 320 something pound guy that really is has not no distinct personality is not a particularly good worker isn't a good promo and he picked his entrance music the song dead and bloated because and what what band was that

do you even remember i have no idea it was like stone temple pilots or some shit like that that was, this is 1999, 2000, it was contemporary at that point, but bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bah, but it had some kind of riff that he thought was badass, like that would be his road warrior's entrance, but he didn't listen to the fucking song or see the title. He's the one that I had, Betteista turned baby face on and beat up in Huntington, West Virginia in two minutes and beat him, and he cried about it, couldn't help with the ring crew because he was on his cell phone in the back parking lot crying to his wife or somebody.

We had an OVW show that was a sold show over in Huntington, West Virginia. They did not get our television. And it was at this nightclub place, right? So when Russ McCullough was a baby face, he was going to be working with Leviathan, the Demon of the Deep, who was Batista, and had Stacey sin with him. So when this big seven-foot fucker dressed like Diesel comes out and they don't see the TV

and they don't know who anybody is, they booed him a little bit because he looked like a fucking heel. Instead of waiting for this big giant fucking freak and his heat getting obnoxious ringside manager to come out one minute later and then everybody would get the picture, Russ McCullough decided he's going to get on a microphone.

And he wasn't even going to do a fucking promo trying to get people to cheer him. He was mad because they boot him. So he started cutting a heel promo on him. So I'm standing back here with Stacey and fucking Batista. I said, all right. Since he's switching heel, he knows better than we do. I looked up with Batista.

I said, go out there and beat him in one minute. He said, what? I said, go out there and beat him up. and beat him in one minute, spear him. And I said, in a working way, don't fucking jump him and shoot on him and try to, in a working way, jump him, don't sell anything, and beat him in one minute with your spear

because your baby faces now. So fucking Batista charges down the aisle as Stacy's following. She's like, okay, I got the night off now. I don't have to make anybody madness only going to last a minute. And Leviathan rolls. in the rig and starts clobbering him.

And McCullough starts, he didn't know there was going to be a jumpstart. Well, I didn't know you were going to cut a heel promo on my fucking show, asshole. So he's trying to fight back and Batista doesn't sell any of it and just fucking clobbers him down, boom, boom, boom, boom, and shoots him off and spears him and hooks

the leg and foot one, two, three. Stands up, hand in the air, people cheered, Batista was the biggest baby face of the night. Shut that fucking loud mouth up. And he comes back, and when he came McCullough, when he came back, I said, oh, you wanted to turn heels? So we sent the baby face in.

Who did the fuck? I said, what was your goddamn deal with the problem? Well, they booed me. I said, well, look at you. You should be booed. I said, I know who you were instead of waiting to tell them and doing what we had figured on doing where they would have understood, you just say, okay, I'll just do what I want. So we just did what we wanted. You're dismissed.

they booed me well look at you yeah you don't look like Ricky fucking Morton so anyway then then he sulked and cried

and sat in the parking lot all night talking to somebody on the phone instead of helping the ring crew carry the fucking the guys that were on ring crew

carry stuff that night and I think he called the office too they they beat me in a minute and then they sent him to Puerto Rico Dutchman told me he really had a fucking nervous breakdown down there

and said that he walked in the because they were trying to run him off the WWE say anybody that they were trying to run off of developmental and that to like Tiger Ali Singh they sent him to Puerto Rico so I said Russ McCullough to Puerto Rico Dutch told me one time he went to the hotel

or the lobby of the apartment building or whatever Russ McCullough was sitting there crying say his wife was pregnant or something but it wasn't him and I don't know what I don't know where he's ever gone he's never appeared again never done any wrestling related never been any call for it I don't know what the fuck would would be going on with this or 25 years ago let's get a couple more things here from Greg sees email

your drunkard referee shit talking his own wife including how much he hates to have sex with her I don't really have a question It just made me laugh I'm trying What now Say that again Read me that back

Let me try to Think what this might be Your drunkard Referee Shit talking his own wife Including how much he hates to have sex with her I don't really have a question It just made me laugh

I don't know that our referee was drunk was drunk, but we had a heel referee around that time. I can't remember this specific promo. The heel having sex with my wife. You don't remember that promo?

I don't remember it. The heel promo, the heel promo, the heel referee was a guy named Phil Fair, P-H-A-I-R. And he had, he's a nice guy, but he was a slimy-looking fuck.

He just, his face was greasy and his hair was greasy and he just greasy. And he had a smile that just made you think, this is a crooked son of a bitch. And so we made him a heel referee. Keep it fair with Phil Fair. But I don't remember him to maybe he was talking about having sex with Briscoe's wife. Because Robert Briscoe was our baby face referee. He was a senior official. And he,

And that's what it was because Phil Faire was Robert Briscoe's brother-in-law. Now it's coming back to. me. Phil Fair got his job because he was Robert Briscoe's brother-in-law. Briscoe stuck it, and Briscoe was straighter than a Boy Scout and wouldn't do anything out of the way, right? And he brings this

fucking louse in because he had to feed. Well, it's coming back to me now because his sister had married Phil Fair, but now they've got three kids and he can't afford food, so he's trying to get him a job. And then Phil Fair goes on a fucking take. So when they ended up, Robert Briscoe

had to fight Phil Fair. So It's probably fair saying I hate having to fuck your sister. It's what it was. All right. Well, finally one last OVW 2000 question. See, everybody thinks that this was just straight old-fashioned wrestling. Robbie D. Did he have a WWE developmental deal?

Yes. In a TV interview, he used the same line about riding through Ethiopia with fried chicken that you later used. Did you give him that? And Robbie D., whatever happened to him? he's dead oh um slick robbie d his name was well no his name was robby dicks and he was slick robby d and he was one of the very first w w developmental guys and tremendous athlete uh was green had only started working you know just very recently to you know coming to ovw but

was a tremendous potential he could talk his ass off he was like chris rock on the microphone and very personable in the locker room most everybody liked him he had an issue with i can't even remember the whole goddamn detail of the story and i'd probably bury somebody that's still living if i if i did but he and batista had an issue one time and batista does not fare well against the African-American community. But anyway, yes, he had like a 40-fucking 8-inch vertical jump or something like that,

did standing drop kicks. Was a great baby face, but then we switched him heel and was an excellent heel. Mark Henry was here at the time. He really liked him and was pushing for him. And I can't remember exactly where he was in terms of potentially being called up or not, but I want to say,

I don't think they had let him, I don't think they'd let him go yet. I think he was still on developmental. Maybe he was injured, but he was from California, went home to California, got cops called on him. Again, this is 25 years ago, but I want to say a woman that he may have had a baby with and ended up in jail and they killed him. turned up dead. The cops killed him. So, or at least they didn't bother to stop anybody else from killing him,

but he was in jail for a nonviolent type of shit, as I recall. He wasn't a violent guy. He wasn't really a criminal. But some bullshit that he got put in jail for and ended up dead. So I suggest black people try to stay out of jail because it doesn't usually end well, but that's what happened to Robbie D. who was the first developmental guy that you were, who set the tone for guys being signed and they never did anything with them? Well, the first Rico, now that I think of it, because he was one of the first six.

And yes, they did stuff with him, but it was ridiculous what they could have done if they'd have been serious about it. And we had to beg Stephanie for that. but the first number of guys that they signed, none of them made it. The only way that OVW was able to exist for about the first year was the guys that Danny Davis had already trained here in town. Nick Densmore, Rob Conway, Damage, Doug Basham, Trailer Park Trash, Jason Lee. Those guys could work. We got the Brackases and the Russ McCullas and

David Nelson that you brought up on a show here recently that, you know, was most famous for his porn movie surfacing. What was that other goddamn? Oh, God damn. That other goddamn. Who's that other goddamn? That other goddamn. The big former,

there was another former football player. What was his name? Danny Davis told him in front of the entire locker room that he was going to pull his fucking eyeballs out and feed him to him. um what was his fight stephen stephen something or other he was of german distraction i believe but he was american he wasn't as german as brackist and he'd played football he's another guy that had been a former kind of real pro athlete and got a developmental deal and came in driving a big car and he took danny davis's adult daughter out on a date and kept her out until six o'clock one morning

and when he pulled up at the back of the old Davis Arena in Jeffersonville, Indiana, the next day for TV, Danny Davis, all five foot six of him, came out and told his six-foot-seven, three-pound motherfucker in front of everybody that if he kept his daughter out, until six o'clock a morning ever again, he's going to pull his fucking eyeballs out, skull-fuck him, feed him the fucking eyeballs, and leave his remains in a ditch. And he meant it. and the guy didn't say a goddamn thing about it because he would have

and nobody would have been able to stop him. But that was an interesting, what was his last name? Stefan, Stefan, Stefan, Stefan, nevertheless. Yeah, all of the guys that they signed originally and sent were from scratch trainees that with the exception of Rico were the shits until we started getting,

I think some of them were Shane finds. Ron Waterman wasn't the shits. He was early. But until we used Danny's guys that could work until we started getting some more actual wrestling wannabes instead of what they were signing originally. You said Ron Waterman was in the shits considering his look. Why didn't they try to do something with him? His age, Shane found him set next to him on a plane and they started talking.

Ron was already 40 years old. He didn't look at physically. No way. really? Yes. Holy shit. Close to, if not 40. But he's still, you know, again,

responsible adult, not like one of these other jackoffs that we've been talking about. Former MMA, he fought in a UFC, I think a time or two had done a variety of MMA promotions. He was born in 65, yeah.

There you go. So he was 35 when we had him and he was just starting out. So I think it was age and just, again, that was the era of, well, what kind of personality does he have? He didn't have any personality. That's why we lost Rhino for three or four fucking years

because Bruce said, well, you know what any personality? He's fucking 19. You can't even fucking drink yet legally. Well, Jim, our next question sent via email the corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Dan in Ocean Grove, New Jersey. What were your thoughts when the NW. put the world title on Mike Rapada in 2000.

Was that desperation? There were rumors he paid for the belt. You've mentioned the NWA struggle to stay relevant in the late 90s. Did Repada represent what they were doing wrong or what they thought they were doing right? And was he ever on your radar for Smoky Mountain Wrestling? Thanks, love the show. And for those who don't know, that's the Colorado Kid, he's speaking of. Yes.

No, when I was running Smoky Mountain, I don't think he was on anybody's radar. This was a couple years later that he was the NWA champion. And that was at the time, as I recall, and I don't know, I mean, it's not like that he would have had to be a member of the fucking Bezos family to afford the NWA title at that time. But Burt Prentice liked him. Burt Prentice was probably at the time running most of the more successful or better attended NWA shows at the time in Nashville, Music City Wrestling. And Rappata had worked for him in Arkansas, I think also when he was out there. And he worked for Bill Barron's, who was also working in the NWA at the time in Georgia. so it wasn't as ridiculous as it sounds now for Mike Rapada to be an NWA world champion

just because a lot of the shows and a lot of the promoters he was working for were the most integral ones of the NWA at the time. He didn't mean it. I mean, Dennis brought him up a time or two, didn't he? He didn't mean anything in the Northeast because... I don't remember. He may have, but I don't remember that. I don't, you know, he may have ended up on one or two shows in the Northeast or an NWA anniversary show or whatever,

but it wasn't like he was traveling all over the world defending this belt in territory after territory at that time. I think that may have been a little overlap timeline-wise with Smoky Mountain because he worked for Ozark Mountain. When did Ozark Mountain pop up? Okay, well, that's, but that's why I got the headbangers, Thrashor and Mosh, Glenn. and Chas because Bird had left them stranded when they closed the territory in Arkansas. And I think they came to me after that, I believe, or was it Missouri? I don't know. But yeah, no, yeah, no.

It was good for Nashville. He worked there every week. He had a nice smile. He was very baby-faced to the girls. But he wasn't on my radar. All right. The next question is dropping through the sky. Our next question, Jim sent via email the corny drive-thru.

at gmail.com from Jerry, aka J. Diddy. I'm a long-time listener. Stop laughing. I'm a long-time listener of the show, and I was wondering, back in the 1980s, I was a huge fan of Continental Wrestling

that aired in Knoxville back then. I've always wondered, why did they only air a portion of the Wildcat Wendell Coley versus Rick Flair NWA World Title Match on TV? Gordon Solie said they would show the finish next week

but they never did did Jim Crockett promotions prevent them from doing this and not knowing the specific episode of the show or having seen the way it was presented I can't tell you with any degree of certainty

but I can just from knowing territory wrestling I can give you an idea one they forgot two, they changed Booker in between that TV and the next week's TV. Three, somebody fucked up when they were taping the thing and the rest of the tape was bad. I mean, who knows? It seems odd that they would say, well, we'll show you the rest of this next week and then not do it.

So I, you know, I don't know what was rough. but at the same time, Continental wrestling in those days was run on a shoestring and anything could have happened. And if you were getting the NWA champion, you weren't going to get more than likely a victory over him. So if the finish wasn't. Well, yeah, it's not like he, yeah, it's not like he beat Flair and won the title

and they didn't want anybody to know. It's just they either forgot the tape was bad or they changed Bookers or Wendell Cooley got mad and walked out. I don't know. Well, Jim, our. our next question was sent via the culticorinate Facebook group by John Dunin. This is a good question. My daughter asked me about this. As a kid watching WWF in the 1980s,

Jesse Ventura was always saying that closed fist punches were illegal. Yet baby faces like Hulk Hogan did them constantly. There seemed to be some disconnect there. Were there certain territories where closed fist punches were illegal, and others were they were illegal? And I said, my daughter asked me about it. The other day we were watching wrestling, and she said, are you allowed to punch?

And I was like, well, you're not supposed to. You know, I realize everyone's doing it. So, I don't know what to say. No, you're not allowed to, but everyone's doing it. That's right. Everyone's breaking the rules. I don't know what to say. Well, obviously, no closed fist punches were illegal in pro wrestling

at the start everywhere. and still technically would be because nobody's rescinded that. But the problem is originally, and this is way back in the 50s, 60s or whatever, most of the time, you honestly, if you were a baby face and you threw a punch before the heel that you were working with had cheated and done something bad to you against the rules, then you would get blessed out for it in the locker room, either by the Booker or by some of the topper, topper talent, the top talent, the bigger boys, the bigger names. Because you weren't supposed to do that.

That didn't make any sense. And then, you know, then it became, well, a first few matches type of thing. Baby faces should just wrestle. But the top guys, because it's angle matches, it's grudge matches, they're already mad at each other. And then it just progressed like everything to where now a close, fist punch, my God, I can't get upset about that. They just tried to pour bleach down a gas throat.

So it's just like everything else. It's been prostituted and, you know, abused until it's just accepted. But theoretically, no, that is not legal. It's never been an automatic disqualification unless there were matches in Tennessee because Lawler used a right hand and some other guys did too. Some of the baby faces would throw a punch that they would have a stipulation. This has to be strictly according to the rules. First person to break the rules and throw a punch will lose.

And then when the heel was getting the short end of it, he would bow up and spit in the baby face's face or something like that where the baby face is haul off and punch him and lose. the match. You can make rules and work things around anything, but again, when everything got so goddamn over the top and phony and ridiculous, then people don't react to simple things like that anymore, which is part of the problem. All right. Our next question, Jim sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Bill in Louisville. Bill in Louisville.

I know him. I've had several bills in Louisville. I'm always a couple weeks behind on the podcast and just listen to the episode where Jim complains about the guys digging holes in his front yard. This prompted a few questions. Are either of you aware of a wrestler using a paintball gimmick of any type?

And two... What do we... What? What does people digging in my yard have to do? Oh, and by the way, you know what I got in the mail a couple days ago? No, what's that? A notice saying that their crews were going to be digging in my yard. Two weeks after it fucking happened.

If it's not going to... You're supposed to tell you. If it's not going to be gimmick infringement, has Jim considered obtaining a paintball gun himself? It seems like it may occasionally come in useful when dealing with unexpected visitors to the castle. I guess maybe that's how it ties in, he thought... Oh, well, no, I'm not. I'm not going to take a fucking paintball gun to somebody because then they're going to take a real gun to me. If I'm going to point something that looks like a gun at somebody, it's going to be a real gun or I ain't going to do it.

Because that's the way you get shot. And then I'd be standing there with a fucking egg on my face because I'd have a paintball gun and they'd have a fucking oozy. Get down. This guy's painting the place all over. Yeah. He's painting everything. Active painter, active painter at Castle Cornett. What about a paintball gimmick?

What would be a fucking paintball gimmick? The wrestler enjoys paintball and he comes to the ring, covered in paint with a paintball gun. And then all the give the fans paint balloons and they get to throw the balloons filled with paint. You think there's a threat of lawsuits now.

Some guy comes into the ring with a paintball gun starts shooting the other wrestler. You know he's going to miss a few of those that go flying into the crowd. You can put your eye out with that. All right. Well, thanks, Bill. Let me move this to the used... Yeah, thanks, Bill.

...I'm leaning back. Jim, our next question sent via the CultaCornet Facebook group is from Daryl Hone. In your opinion, do you think Indiana could have been absorbed into another territory after Bruiser left? If so, who do you think would do it best

and would it even profit after Bruiser letting it die, thank you for your hard work. Well, thank you for that unwieldily worded question. But, you know, I think we talked about this one time. We were talking about the Bruiser's territory, even though he didn't really die. It was on life support for so many years. It was still there, but you really don't think of it as being there,

like after 83. I mean, they were still running spot shows in the late 80s, right? I would have thought that the natural thing would have been for Vern to come in because Indiana is right next to Illinois, Chicago, Vern had an interest as well as Bruiser and Snyder. But the thing is, as I said, Bruiser didn't actually go out of fucking business. So Vern didn't need Indiana until he needed anything he could get. And by then it may have been too late because if the AWA with local

television and all those stars that they had, including Hulk Hogan in 82, 83, 84, that Road Warriors, if they had gone into Indiana, Fort Wayne, Indianapolis, Terre Haute, you know, even Evansville, maybe, because I think Jarrett lost television in Evansville sometime in the late 80s. nevertheless they could have probably drawn money because it would have been many of the same talents that people were used to with Bruiser and a same kind of style and but just a bigger, more well-financed at that time and well-populated territory. But after, you know, 87-88-ish, Vern didn't need to be expanding anywhere, and it was already open for grabs the state of Indiana.

Jared, Jared's TV in the glory days, if it had some time there, might have done some good, but it was a completely different product than Bruzer had presented all those years with completely different talent. On the other side of the fence,

Ohio, at that point in time, was being taken over by the Georgia office, but only because Ohio had better cable coverage for TBS, Columbus and that area in West Virginia, which the sheikh had left and was kind of dead. But I don't know that Georgia would have been able to take over Indiana at that point without getting good local television, which may have been tough because Bruiser was so connected. So maybe nobody went in there just because nobody wanted to mess with Bruiser out of respect or out of fear or out of just not wanting to goddamn go through the hassle

and Vince ended up with everything because he didn't care about any of that. Maybe. Jim, our next question via the cult of Cornette Facebook group was sent in by Ryan Murphy. Why was Stan Hanson never considered unprofessional for his stiffness, liberty taking, or working while blind. Hanson didn't take liberties with you. He wasn't, he didn't fuck with people that couldn't defend themselves

or, you know, bully him around to do that type of thing. He didn't do that. He liked smash mouth offense. That's why he liked working in Japan. And he didn't complain about people that hit him as hard in what were supposed to be safe places as he tried to do to other people.

Stan's only drawback was that he was so near-sighted that, you know, sometimes you could be a little bit off under those conditions. But nobody, Hanson didn't get heat with the boys and nobody disrespected him or thought he was a bully or thought he was taking advantage of anybody. It was just if you're going to be booked with fucking Stan Hansen in Japan,

you know, you've got to watch out. And you've got to give it back to him, and he's not going to complain about that either. But when he worked in America, you know, especially in the early days, he's a big guy who hit hard, but he again wasn't unprofessional and didn't have a track record of hurting people in the United States. Although in Memphis in the summer of 83, Lawler was booking. Lawler and Austin Idol were the top two baby faces. and Lawler brought in Jesse Ventura and Stan Hanson. Lawler worked the program with Ventura,

whose punches wouldn't break an egg, and put Idol with Stan Hanson, who was goddamn swinging those fucking broad arms, and Idle was like, fuck! It was like being in a friendly street fight every week, but, you know, he emerged unscathed. Jim, our next question, via the cult of coronet, group was sent in by David Melendez.

If Jim never left OVW, how do you think he would have handled CM Punk in OVW? Heyman didn't want to change his name and was constantly bugging the office about how great he was and didn't want Punk to end up by some of the other OVW alum.

It ended up hurting Punk in the short term, but I'm wondering if Jim would have had an easier time communicating with the office? or if he would have been as frustrated as Heyman was, Punk in a recent interview said that he talked to Jim the week he went to OVW, and in a few days he had already been, what says he were fired, but you weren't fired? Well, you weren't fired.

You weren't fired. Well, I was fired from my WWF consultant position, but they could not fire me from my own company, but since my own company was still making money from the WDF, which theoretically I would get a piece of. I said, fuck it, I'm burnt. Fine. And I went home.

So how do you think, and it says here you called them up and you said you were looking forward to working with them, how do you think you would have handled the CM Punk at that point in 2000, what, 2006, 2007? Well, again, I don't know because it's been 20 years ago, but I wasn't watching OVW television after I left and many others weren't either. but I don't know what he was doing at that point in time. And see, that's the thing is, to say, would I have an easier time convinced in the office of anything?

No, obviously. And fuck, you know, Paul had the same experience in terms of being frustrated, which is why he was on the outs and then back on the in and on the outs every time he got on the outs because he was frustrated. Maybe at some point they were listening to him at that particular time. but I don't know what I would have done with punk. I didn't know in 2005 or six or whatever this was that CM Punk was a great promo

because he'd never done television really. I don't know that I would have said, do we need to change your name because they ain't going to use it because they probably wouldn't have used it unless Hayman happened to win one? and he was, you know, he was, what, 25 years old then instead of 45. So I don't know what I would have done with Pump because I never got a chance to work with him the once to see what he was doing then and what I thought he should continue to do. And I know people are they, well, you've certainly saw him in Ring of Honor, five Ring of Honor shows and it's a whole different environment.

So you would have that, that's why when guys came to OVW, unless I had. really good prior knowledge of them, which wasn't often, they started in the program and they started doing dark matches or they started doing the spot shows so I could see what they were doing. And I'd be around them and I'd see what they talked like. And I would kind of get an idea of what their fucking deal was. So I didn't have, you know, a giant Russian menace going out there at a fucking pink mini mouse t-shirt or whatever, just in Congress shit.

so I didn't really have the chance to do that with Punk because I was never around by the time he actually got here. He didn't mention it during Raw. Did you see the Rusev promo video? No, because I didn't. Because Raw is one of those shows where we have no on-screen fast forward, so I was trying to get through the commercials.

All right. Jim, our next question was sent in via the CultaCornet Facebook group by Kev Mack. What would the repercussion have been? been if the wrestlers went into business for themselves and did their own finish instead of the one relayed by the Booker. Any examples of such? Well, what wrestlers and where and in what context and, I mean, that's, that's too broad. I mean, it can range from everything. I've said this before. Murdoch every once in a while, if he was in a preliminary match back in the day, would do it

where he'd fucking snatch a guy and pull him down on top of him and pin his own self and then get mad to start yelling at the guy for double crossing him. If the Booker saw that and it wasn't an important match or a title match, he'd fucking laugh. It was a rib. If both guys just went out there and felt it and say, you know, something's happened here,

the crowd's with somebody, I want to change it on the fly, and it got over, that might be, unless I get, it fucked up long-term booking plans if it was just a match out there in the wilderness and then I don't see anybody getting real mad about that if one guy double crossed the other guy and there was only one person in on changing the finish then that was going to cause a goddamn issue no matter whether it was an important match or not with the other guy much less the booker and then if two guys just did their own shit as in going out of the way

You can't get juice, so they get juice and you get fine from the athletic commission, or you can't go fighting the crowd. The building is, the building manager doesn't want anything broken, and they do it, and they do it. And then, you know, that's how that fucking wardhog, Callahan, got fired from MLW. There's all kinds of things that can happen, you know, in an important match or where they fuck something up, either booking or with the building or get, have a problem with the commission.

Then it, or on the microphone, don't get on a microphone. They get on a microphone and the commission is mad or somebody cusses and blah, blah, blah. So there's a lot of leeway in wrestling to have matches and do your shit. But when you specifically do something contrary to what you are told to do, the bullet points of the thing, then most of the guys don't know what they're affecting because they don't bother to find out why they're not being, they're told not to be doing that type of thing.

They just think they're being put upon and discriminated against because they're not allowed to be the artist they can be. And they don't know there's an actual goddamn reason. And it's not their goddamn job to know. When people pay and them say, just don't do this. then just do four other things, but not that. Well, Jim, of course, if you're the Booker, you may want to look into how to sue.

Well, that was an abrupt one. Well, if you want to sue a Booker for bad wrestling, and I bet you there's some candidates out there, then I know the man, the myth, the legend that you can turn to. Call Stephen P. New York. You need a mud show for two. Yes, that's right, ladies gentlemen. Stephen P. New at new law office.com 87750, Steve, can save you from bad bookers and perpetrators of all kinds.

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like they're treating them now. People not convicted of crimes, by the way, just picked up by the police state that we all live in now. But he's working on that and he can work on you too. Stephen P. New. Did I mention the phone number, Brian,

87750 Steve. Well, you did now. Are you talking to be on mute? I unmuted myself. You did now. 87750, Steve, get even with Steven Newlawoffice.com. Jim, let's end today with four. In today,

there's still about another seven hours of it left, but I'm in favor of calling it here. We might miss the severe storm. Well, first let's do some from the files, and I said I'll do this. I have the Eddie Gilbert file here from the wrestling news archive. And, oh, if you have Dennis's...

Which is actually apropos because the dark side of the ring on Eddie Gilbert is about to air. For the Eddie Gilbert Memorial show in 96 that you and I both went to, it says Jerry the King Lawler in the official thing, not Jerry, thinking Lawler. Thinking Lawler. Full page

ad, $150, half page 100, quarter of a page 75 or a business card size, $50. Payable to the National Wrestling Alliance. That's not the typical thing that you see in here, but there's a lot of pictures. Eddie sent in a lot of pictures of himself.

There were 8 by 10s. This is a letter to Jim Melby. Jim, thought I would send you a new color photo of myself. Thanks very, very much for the photo on the front issue of review and story. Also, thanks for the programs you've been sending home. Thanks again, your friend, Eddie Gilbert. Eddie loved to send pictures to all the magazines because he was promoting himself.

He was, you know, there was nothing wrong with that. He wanted to make sure that if he was going to get some press, he wanted to cooperate. And also, unlike any other wrestler, by and large, he had been schmoozing with all these people for years. They all knew who he was before he broke into the business. Yeah. There's another one.

Jim. Hello, old buddy. How's everything going? Fine, I hope. Here are some things on Puerto Rico. We won the North American tag titles from Moon Dogs, June 5th, kangaroos, Don Kent, and John Heffernan.

Who's John Hefferman? That was, oh, God damn it. Managed by Al Costello, the World Tag Team Champions. The original kangaroos were Al Costello and Roy Heffernan, and then Heffernan, went back to Australia or whatever he did and Costello had a couple of different partners

maybe not as kangaroos, then found Don Kent and Costello and Kent were the kangaroos from what, say, 6970 through the early 70s. And then when Don Kent went out as a single, Costello was a manager for a little while, but then he kept putting groups of kangaroos back together. and I'm trying to think John Heffernan was somebody else under another name.

Well, obviously. And I can't remember what other name he used. But in Puerto Rico, would that have been 1980, the date on that? Because had they just left, it would have been 80 or 82? It doesn't have a date or a year on this? No. Tommy and they won the tag team title, meaning Tommy and Eddie Gilbert, they were the tag team champions in Puerto Rico.

in between runs in Tennessee, I believe, and the Moondogs, that would have been, maybe it had been 82-ish, because the moon dogs had a run first in the WWWF. That's where they got the gimmick and then went to Puerto Rico, I think. I sound like I'm playing guest to program now. Tell Norman, I said hello. Maybe we'll get together sometime like we did in Kansas City.

Take care of your friend, Eddie Gilbert. And again, lots and lots of pictures here. Lots of rare pictures. Pictures I've never actually seen before. And then some of these look like yours. This has to be yours. Yeah, this is yours. Lots of setup photos of Eddie.

There's lots and lots of photos that you can't really... Lots and lots of photos of Eddie. You can't really read. Hold on. Let me go back here. This is a big file. I have a letter from Norm Kiteser to Eddie Gilbert. Oh, this may answer your question slightly.

July 27, 1982. Mr. Eddie Gilbert, St. Tropey, apartment 3F, Ila Verda, I believe that's how you would say it, who knows, Puerto Rico 00913. Dear Eddie, it was nice hearing from you. Thanks for the program and photos. I will see to it that they are used in our publications. The program is also of a help in compiling area close-ups. I was glad to see that you and your dad were being put over.

Evidently, you guys are popular with the fans, winning the straps and all. How long do you plan on staying in Puerto Rico? Also, what is the attendance averaging? I've heard from other guys that Puerto Rico is a fun place to work if you can make the money. It must be nice to at least cap some beach action, excuse me. Puerto Rico not known as a well-paying territory, Jim? well no if you can make the money that's i mean it could be good or bad and i don't have any personal experience down there thankfully and on purpose i wouldn't go to go to porto rico and be set on fire by

those people but uh i've talked to a bunch of guys and dutch booked down there for ever in eons and what they would do is they would let's say you were supposed to make seven hundred and fifty one week, but they'd give you $500. They say, oh, we're doing a little slow. We'll give you the $250 next week. Well, next week you're supposed to then make $1,000. Well, but then they'd give you $600, and they'd say, oh, well, we'll give you $400 next week. And you would get so in the hole on what they owed you that they were trying to catch up,

but they weren't catching up properly, that it would be a situation where you couldn't afford to leave their company. And then, and you couldn't afford to give you. your notice because you knew if you gave your notice that they'd fuck you on the rest of the money. So you kind of hung around trying to chase that carrot. And that's how they kept guys from leaving the island. Well, back to this letter to Eddie Gilbert. The people that we do business with all seem to be doing pretty good. The last Superdome show did their all-time dollar record. I don't recall the exact figure, but remember the crowd was 22,000 plus.

Of course, the WWF remained strong. Buddy Rose is next up for Backland Around the Horn. I'm glad to see him getting the push. I've known him since before he got in the business. We are now doing programs for Joe Blanchard and San Antonio is doing okay too. They've been running some real big cards in Amarillo and Houston. Recently, Bokwinkle versus the Junkyard Dog set the all-time dollar record for a Houston house.

house show. How big was dog in Houston by the time you got there? Giant. Because he had, before Watts annexed Houston, when Paul split off from getting his talent from the San Antonio office, Bosch could still bring in individuals that he wanted. So he'd bring in some of the Hispanic stars for that group of the audience. And he'd bring in dog or he'd bring in Mosquirus. He was using. Bach Winkle as the AWA champion and he got dog

before that Watts as I said, you know, took over Houston. So dog was already made by the time the rest of the mid South guys got there but yeah, it was definitely big and I don't know what the record dollar figure would have been at that time

but I know that when we got there at the end of 83 the best house for our Our first couple of appearances in Houston was the same thing, was dog was on a card, I think, against Bockwinkle. But then later on that year, we jacked up ticket prices. We did 89, 8 for the scaffold match with the rock and roll,

and 102 grand for the last stampede. I think the best they had done beforehand was like in the $70,000 range. Locally, Vern and Wally are having their best year ever. We have been selling out the St. Paul Civic Center on a regular basis, which is 18,000 plus when you sell standing room. I've enclosed the latest card so that you could see who is working here. What do you think of that main event? It was one of the few times I've seen four Babyface worked in a tag team match, let alone on top, and draw a sellout no less. Who was this? The match itself was excellent. The finish was Santana,

and count it out after missing a flying body block on Brunzel. I think that was the high flyers versus Tito and Rick Martel. I bet you're right. Which, the footage I've seen, I think, of them in San Francisco is incredible. I'll close for now, but remember, if there's anything specific that I can do for you, just let me know, please give my regards to your father for me, your friend Jim Melby. Once again, July 2, 27. And boy, he's right.

In 1982, everybody was doing great business for the most part. And Jared, 1981 was the biggest year that Jared had had in business since he'd started his company because of Lawlers come back in all those giant houses in Memphis all year. Well, that's going to wrap up from the files. Like I said, just looking through, there's a lot of picture. I'm trying to find anything with writing. There's so many pictures here. But there we go, and that was a letdown.

That was a complete letdown. I should have brought the other file that I wanted to, but I didn't. You know what? I won't make any comments in case you want to edit anything later. Hold on. Wild card. Oh, no. I'm dropping stuff. And I'm picking stuff up.

And I'm dropping other stuff. And I'm picking other stuff up. Hold on. This is a mess. What the fuck? Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Last has been lost in the, San Andreas fault.

All right. Take two. We're going to have an additional from the files today. Surprise sneak attack. This is from the files. This file is labeled the Tommy Rich Fan Club. Let me see if it goes this way or this way. It starts.

Okay. I think it goes both ways. October 11th, 1982, Norm Kiteser sends out two letters. One to Carol Barry, West Columbia, South Carolina. Dear Carol, I understand you operate a fan club for Tommy Rich. We would like to include it in our fan club section in the wrestling news

and close it's an application for you to complete so we may do this. Sincerely yours, Norman Kiteser. Same day, a letter to Karen Langley, Fairborn, Ohio. Dear Karen, I received your letter concerning the Tommy Rich fan club. Since Miss Barry has not filled out an application for listing it in our fan club section, since I have taken it over. I've written her for information about her club, and I will let you know what she says

when I receive a reply from her. I don't know what that's... Oh, okay, this explains. And for the people who don't even understand this whole thing, in the old days in wrestling, going back to the 50s, fans, if a guy was wrestling in the Georgia territory, some fan from Columbus, Georgia would say, I want to run your fan club and be the fan club president.

and the magazines would actually promote this if you provided them with a permission slip from the particular wrestler being honored, signed that, okay, it's okay for this person to run my fan club, which guys would do all the time or whatever, you know, they didn't give a shit. But you would have different ones because the way the guys moved around until you got the real established fan club. like in the early 70s when it was probably the biggest deal it had been, everybody knew that, oh, this guy, the Pedro Morales fan club is run by so-and-so or whatever. And otherwise, you just get them when guys switched territories, other people would want to start them.

Meanwhile, the other fan in the other territory would lose interest because the guy had left. So it was always moving around. this was prompted by a letter to Norm Kiteser from Karen Langley, October 8, 8, 82, I'm writing to you concerning a fan club, in particular Tommy Wildfire Rich fan club run by Carol Barry. In February 82, I sent $6 yearly dues to Miss Barry for what was supposed to be monthly bulletins, membership card, etc., etc. In April, I received a very nice letter from the

West Columbia Postal Service containing the It's hard to read She's a very nice cursive But it's hard to read everything The remnant of what I had been A packet of pictures And had

And who knows whatever It's hard to read a little bit Sorry folks They asked me If possible to tell them What the contents were So that they could try And

Find them Since I had no way of knowing what it had contained, I returned the remnant and postal service letter to Miss Barry, hoping she would replace it. I, as of yet, have received no response. In May, I received volume one, issue 9, February, March, 1982. It was very nice. In August, I received volume 2, issue 10.

June July 82. It was also very nice. It included some Brad McFarlane photos of Tommy. I still have received no membership card. I wrote to Miss Barry offering to help her with her problem. Tommy comes to Ohio at least once a month, and I could help her out with pictures, etc. I also asked for the price list of McFarlane's pictures,

but I've still received no reply. Poor Brad McFarland being drug into this. By the way, the world's only deaf pro wrestling photographer. He was also a manager, handsome Johnny Bradford, but he took great pictures. I have written to Ms. Barry a few times asking her to please send the membership card. The woman simply does...

The woman simply does not answer letters from the members. Frankly, I'm beginning to be steamed. I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. I know that Tommy Rich

hasn't been on a southern tour for quite a while, and it must be a pain to gather information on someone, excuse me,

she has no access to, but couldn't she at least send my card? She's making her self look bad. Would it be possible for you to contact her and maybe get this mess worked out?

Also, do you have any addresses for other Tommy Rich fan clubs? Maybe I'll have better luck with one of them. I would really appreciate your help on this matter. Thank you for reading this. I hope to hear from you soon.

Karen Langley. So then... And that's the thing is that people would take this task on and then it would be over their heads and they've got a real life or their teenagers or whatever. But normally you'd get, you know, a membership card and you get the bulletins, which were X-Roxed, you know, stapled together, you know, do it yourself type of things. But, Brad, I've told you how I became the Bob Armstrong fan club president, haven't I, before?

How you did, no. Because, and I won't mention this guy's name because he has actually. written me in modern times, like in the last several years, that he's up in the north now and has a successful business. But I joined all the fan clubs that were plugged in the magazines because I wanted to get like autographed pictures or I got one of Larry's Abisco from 1980 or whatever. And the bulletins and all the stuff. So I joined everything. Well, one of my join was the Bob Armstrong fan club and this guy down in Ackworth, Georgia. outside Atlanta. He was the president. And he did the bulletins. And, you know, all the

bulletins of the fan, most of them were, looked like fan club bulletins. But every once in a while, you'd come across the real sharp one. But anyway, I got about four or five or six of these. And then he wrote me a letter and said, hey, would you like to take over the fan club? I, you know, don't have time for it. I'll send you the entire club treasury. And if you want to do this. I said, okay, because I wanted to do the bulletin, right? I'm a frustrated writer, magazine publisher, whatever. This is my first shot at that. Am I 16 yet? Maybe, whatever. So, and Bob also had just started in the Tennessee territory, so he's going to be around here. So I said, okay, I'll do it. And he sent me the entire club treasury is like $2.77.

since. And I was, so I started printing these, doing these bulletins with my friend Walt Malanski sent all the results and everything from the WWWF and somebody else would send the results from here and there and I'd do Tennessee and I'd have features and I'd have pictures in there that I was taking at the time. I was starting to take pictures and I would do them on legal size white copy paper and And with my typewriter, I would leave room to put the pictures in with double stick tape and all this stuff. And then it'd be 20 pages of legal size.

My mom would drive me down. And I didn't have a driver's license yet. My mom would drive me downtown to this copy shop she knew from working down to the Chamber of Commerce. And they'd do the fucking bulletin for like three cents a page. But it still was like $30 to have all these fucking bulletins done. so I think I did like three or four of them and I'm like, fuck, I was making money taking pictures and spending money

doing the bulletin and something had to go. But it was fucking fun. Here's a follow-up letter from Karen Langley to Norman. Dear Norman, hello again. Have you heard from Miss Barry yet? I highly doubt it. I still haven't heard anything. Maybe she left town.

I had a brainstorm and maybe you can help me. I figured that since Miss Barry is such a blank up with her club, maybe I should start my own here in the Dayton area. That leads to a few problems, and that's where you come in, I hope. I know that I would have to contact TR,

obviously Tommy Rich, first, and get some kind of permission from him, right? The only address I have is World Championship Wrestling, Suite 110, 100 Techwood Drive, Northwest, Atlanta, Georgia, 30303. If you think that Tommy Rich would get a letter from me out of the thousands that go through there every week and actually read it? Is there another address that would be better? Maybe someone I could call. I tried calling the NWA in Atlanta.

all I got was some dipstick, in quotes, who knew nothing except where the wrestlers were. I already knew that. I tried to get in to see him and get things started on this club. I'm thinking, did she get, like, Charlie McGowan on the phone or something? He's like, go to the Omni on Friday. But have you ever seen the size of the Goon Squad they have? It would be easier to see Ronald Reagan.

Who would want to do that? Anyways, to make a very long and getting longer story short, I'm sincerely considering starting a Tommy Rich fan club, and anything you might be able to tell me would be much appreciated. P.S., have a happy Thanksgiving, and in case I don't get a chance to tell you, Merry Christmas! at a happy new year too. Hope to hear from you soon, Cameron Langley.

What about Valentine's Day? How did she feel on that? Norman Kiteser responded November 15, 1982. First of all, as I told you earlier, we have never received an application from Ms. Barry, nor have we ever seen any material concerning her club. I wrote to her and received no answer. So other than your earlier letter to me,

I'm not aware that she's even running a club. And since she doesn't answer my letter, there is no other way for me to find out. The address you have for World Championship wrestling in Atlanta is the only one that I have. I would assume that Tommy Rich would receive any mail sent to him care of that address, but I have no idea whether he's able to answer any or all the fan letters

he must receive. I do not have another address for Mr. Rich. I have to close an application for listing in our swap and sell section, but in order to start a fan club, you would need to first get that individual's permission and I really am not able to help you more than that I'm sorry to not be able to be more of help to you sign Norman Kiteser so Norman

I actually I've just typed into the Google machine Carol Barry and Tommy Rich and I get Tommy Rich's Wikipedia and Carol Barry who is a candidate from the Australian Labor Party I don't think it's the same one Here's a letter from a third person Kathy Schuster Mansfield, Ohio I wrote in a few months ago

for an address for the Tommy Rich fan club I received one newsletter and a picture It said I would receive a newsletter a month Mr. Kiteser I spent $15 I could have used for a lot of other things I called this number on my membership card and it said

the number was disconnected. I don't know if you could do anything, but I would like a fan club that won't rip off a Tommy Rich fan. Here's the fan club, and it's one in Graydonville, Michigan. I don't know if,

it's hard to read what she wrote here. Gardenville, Graydonville. The president is Sharon Kane. The vice president, Julie Damagood. I'd really like to join a legitimate fan club Not one who rips you off Signed Kathy Schuster

What, it's crazy hearing It's like just within this period of time There are multiple fan clubs There's no one delivering The demand for more And then here's a letter from Norman Kites to Sharon Kane I understand that you operate a fan club for Tommy Rich We would like to include all fan clubs

In the Wrestling News magazine which we publish And closes an application for you to complete And we're just blindly Letters the fan club presidents This is the response to Kathy Nothing new there And then here We'll wrap it up with this pile

This is from 1983 Garrick Ballard Dear Mr. Kiteser I'm interested in placing an advertisement In your swap and sell column Would you please send me an application

P.S. In October October 1981, you listed Carol Barry as the official fan club president of the Tommy Rich Fan Club. After joining the club, I received only a few bulletins during my entire year's membership. The bulletins were supposed to be issued monthly. So another complaint there. You know, Carol sounds like she's running a sloppy shop.

Dear Mr. Bowerd, March 2683, per your complaint concerning Carol Barry's Tommy Rich fan club. can only answer by saying that since I have over, he left that the word taken, taken over as fan club editor and required an application to be filled out by each club we list, we have never listed her club. I've had several complaints concerning her club, and have had written to her several times for an explanation,

but I've never received any from her. I really don't know what else I could do. I suggest you file a complaint with the postal authorities, if you cannot get satisfaction elsewhere. and then this is... Now, according to this on the internet, Tommy Rich's net worth is $5 million. That's last updated on December 11,

2023. It's almost like he can't trust the internet. And here's something from Garrick Bauer to... It looks like it's a pitch for a Tommy Rich board game. I can't even read it. If I said those words, I can't read it. A Tommy Rich board. Board game. Game one is an exciting board game with Tommy wrestling against a variety atop Georgia area opponents, including Super D, Buzz Sawyer, Ivan, Cull off, Iron Sheik, and Rick Flair.

What happens to Tommy and the punishment he must endure depends on the squares you land on. It depends the squares you land on determine whether you're going to jail or whether you're going to be able to rent a rental car from that company anymore. Whether Tommy wins or not depends on the way you roll the dice. Game two is a combination board and card game where Tommy wrestles the opponent of your choice. You advance Tommy on the board as he performs all of his favorite wrestling holds, but there are illegal moves by the opponent which hinder Tommy's progress. Whether he wins or not depends on your strategy and luck. Game one, $4, $4, both games for $6.50.

And here's his application. And there's a, yep, then that's the Tommy Rich. fan club information there. Any final... Oh, here's another... Oh, hold on. Here's one final one. Let me open this. August 29th, 1983. There's an envelope and I thought it was empty. Dear sir, I would like an advertisement application for the Tommy Rich fan club I started, signed by Carrie Bailey, the co-president, Ironton, Ohio. Wait a minute. Carrie Bailey and Carol Berry.

What kind of scam is this woman operate? Yeah, I don't know. But there it is. From the fan club days, from the files, Tommy Rich. And with that, we're hot and we're tired. Just went longer than I thought it was going to.

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