Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 391
Episode Date: May 10, 2025This week on the Drive Thru, Jim answers YOUR questions about Hulk Hogan & Shelton Benjamin, Karrion Kross, Darby Allin, recreated Dr. Who lost episodes, who has the best women's division, blindfo...ld matches, songs, and much more! Plus Jim previews WWE Backlash & reviews WWE Raw & some of Smackdown! Also, From The Files: Gorgeous George Grant! Thanks to our episode sponsors: RAYCON: Go to buyraycon.com/jce to get 15% off sitewide! HELIX: Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 27% Off Sitewide + Free Bedding Bundle (Sheet Set and Mattress Protector) with any Luxe or Elite Mattress Order SHOPIFY: Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/cornette Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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I messed it up.
And you are our friends.
Welcome back to the concert hall that is Jim Cornedge Drive-Thru.
I'm your host to Great Brian Last.
Last.
Great Brian Last, I can't even speak.
It's going to be one of those shows.
It started off.
Everyone's in a bad mood.
And we've got wrestling to talk about.
We're going to have some classic stuff because we need some good stuff.
And we're going to talk about whatever Jim watched on Raw on Smackdown.
I mentioned my name.
I'll do it properly.
I'm the Great Brian Last.
And here he is.
The star of the show, the leader of the cult of Cornett, the Kentucky Derby Weather Bureau, Mr. Jim Cornett.
What, and to do it properly?
I don't know if properly is a word that could be applied to anything it's gone on here in the last few minutes, but that organ was sounded like the organ grinder was trying to commit suicide by cranking his own head in the fucking, oh, here we.
Yeah, I wasn't a bad mood until.
I heard all of that.
I said, well, it could be worse.
I could be him right now.
But we love you, Brian.
Oh, thank you.
We want you to seek help.
I'm not the Kentucky Derby Weather Bureau.
I'm the Kentucky Derby winner, baby.
Did I tell you about this?
Have I talked to you since then?
Maybe I have.
Maybe I haven't.
It's not for public consumption.
But did I tell you about the Derby?
No, we have not talked since the Derby.
and what is not for public consumption?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Well, whatever we might have talked about.
These people try to pride our business.
Fuck them.
I saw that it wasn't journalism, that one.
It was one of the other horses.
Well, but now here's the thing, see here.
There's more than one way to skin a race horse.
Because what Stace was doing was she figured out a way,
you can place a bet on a horse race on your phone now,
Were you aware of this?
Yeah, I knew about that.
God damn it.
What did this just come up?
How in the world is it?
But what the children could be doing this?
We're teaching the children to gamble.
They've all got phones.
I didn't know it was just that.
I thought you had to go down to the track
with a cigar stuck in your face
or walk up to the window.
You never had to just go to the track.
He could have gone to the OTB down the street.
The who?
Off track bedding.
OTV.
We don't have that
So we got a big old racetrack
With 150,000 people in it
They do their betting over there
The way God intended it
There's no OTB at all
In Louisville, Kentucky
Home of the Kentucky Derby?
I have never seen an OTP
Or had people talk about an OTP
Man, sometimes the line is out the door
in the OTV
You're like, what the hell's happening today?
Well, it's in the middle of the day.
You're sure it's not the OPP?
It's not the OPP.
I heard the line was out the door for that too.
Well, I don't know.
But never the left, back to the derby.
So Stace,
you always,
you're always trying to be the porkies,
no matter what we're talking about.
Well, you know, hey,
that's all folks.
So Stace got on her phone
and figured out how to,
you can see the horses,
because I wasn't paying any attention,
because you know me,
I'm constantly immersed in our work here,
working to build the empire.
And she read off the names of the horses.
and before she even read them to me,
before I'd heard about them,
she said, I know which one you're going to pick.
Journalism.
Well, obviously, right,
because of the family connection.
But he's also the favorite.
I didn't know that until I heard the name,
and I picked it anyway.
But when it came time to put the money down, Brian Latt,
to lay that money down,
I say, you know, it's been raining.
It fucking poured rain all goddamn derby-day.
with those fucking lunatics out there in their pink suits
and fucking frilly hats
and the women were even fucking more outlandish.
And they're all into ponchos
and people are wearing these suits with these mud boots
and it just rained, rain, rain, rain, rain, it had rained all week.
And finally, it doesn't rain for the derby,
but the track is what they call sloppy,
which one of the newscasters said it was like walking through quicksand.
It was that just soaked.
and I said something can go wrong even though he's the favorite even though he may be
pure in heart and says his hoarse prayers by night when the rain comes down and the ground is
muddy he might end up a fright i said i'm going to hedge my bet here see that's that's what
the where the phrase came from i said i'm going to bet journalism to place and that way he's
got two cracks at it and wouldn't you know which pony
won the pony or which pony won the derby or which derby won the pony son of a bitch he won because
he came in saying see how that works yeah see you got to how much you got to talk to a can i don't
know it's on stacy's phone it's not real money maybe they might be i meant how much that stacey win
well i've said they might be paying her but i think it's 60 something dollars or whatever is what
she said before she left on that trip to Paris.
I don't...
The racetracks to one place you can go to and still see
like the classic characters of old that like society has shunned.
You look in the stands, you sit amongst people to stand,
you're like, you know, there's some people here that they have nothing to do
and this is it and they're waiting for some kind of hustle here.
Buck Robly, Buck Robly used to...
Not only did Buck Robly used to hang around the...
I don't know if it's horse racing in...
New Orleans. It might have been dog red. There was a variety of races of animals that he attended.
Dogs and horses and things of that nature, but that's where he met that fucking Elvis
impersonator. And what, did he have a used car lot to? Was it that fucking corny that it was so,
it was real life because you couldn't make it up? But he was a, he was a, he, remember the North
American Wrestling Federation. Buckrow,
at a racetrack met a fucking guy with money that wanted to back buck robley to in
1991 to bring wrestling back to new orleans after watts had gone out of business and blah
blah blah and they got television i actually did a couple of the televisions he had me come down
there and manage well i i i went once and did two TVs and one night and blessing paul lorndorf was
there, a few of us were
suckered into this.
The fucking backer
came out on TV
as a manager with an Elvis
gimmick. At least
he looked like Elvis. I don't know if you
fully doing a gimmick.
And
Buck had sold him on the idea.
I'm trying to remember this after 30-something
years. And it was such a convoluted
scheme.
Buck had sold him on the idea.
he's going to bring him out and make him a manager.
And then he's going to build him up,
and then he's going to turn him baby face
and let him bring all the underprivileged kids to the matches for free,
and he'd be the biggest goddamn baby face in town.
And I believe I actually sold this guy the contract of somebody.
I can't make fun of him at the same time.
The clip was on Twitter a few years ago.
But I think they did two, maybe three tapings,
and then suddenly the guy was like,
what the fuck am I going to be a hero yet
and this has costing a lot of money
and safe and A.
Would that have been a good thing for Smoky Mountain Wrestling?
Would that have been something that helped you,
the idea that right around the time you were starting up
and within, you know, the next year or two,
if there were other small promotions slash, you know,
wannabe territories or, you know,
claiming they're going to be territories
opening up in surrounding states,
just in terms of,
of talent sharing and just a system, would it have helped you or hurt you?
Well, it would have helped if any of them were, I don't want to say successful,
because then people are about Cornynett and, you know, but this lasted three TV tapings.
I'm taught we were there for four years.
If someone had been competitive with us to the point, not competitive, but in terms of,
okay, we can last a few years.
years so that this thing could start coming together because you can't just,
Crocett, Jim Crockett, for fuck's sake.
Remember when he tried to start up the...
He actually came into your backyard.
That's a little different.
Well, but no, it wasn't even...
No, he didn't run against us.
He came to Chattanooga.
We didn't have Chattanooga as a market yet.
We got it for TV later, but we were never able to run it.
He came to Chattanooga, used your talent and then tried to poach the rock and roll express.
Well, but that's what I'm saying.
He didn't come in our backyard.
He just came adjacent to us.
borrowed our ring because I wanted to help him out
and fucking then got mad when the rock and roll
wouldn't give him the dates that they'd already given me
but to point is they knew same thing
he didn't last more than how many tapings did they do
Paul Polly was going to be his booker and
you know he had this and that and the other thing but I can't remember
that might have actually not been a rhetorical question
how many tapings did they do?
I don't know if they did more than one in Chattanooga
but then they moved to Dallas.
No, they went to Dallas and didn't.
And it bombed, yeah.
But, and, and I mean, two or three more, maybe, was it?
But that's the point is that.
Did you ever see the TV?
I'm sorry?
Did you ever see the TV?
I saw some matches from it.
Like, hosted in the studio by Tully Blanchard, like as a,
yeah, just a down the middle announcer, no heel, Tully Blanchard or anything?
The Reverend Tully Blanchard.
Yeah, he's, well, it straightened up, you know.
But point being, and Memphis was across the state, and we worked somewhat with Randy, when Randy Hales was booking, and, you know, Lawler worked for us because we were all working in the WWF periphery at that point.
But besides Memphis, there was nobody else really running on a regular level for long enough to establish any kind of relationship with.
And except for, again, whatever the fuck was going on in Philadelphia, between 1993 and
1995, we just watched the Eddie Gilbert dark side.
And Paul Lee was going to do that, but he was also, there was going to be a part of Crockett's
thing.
And Todd Gordon, who I never met, to this day, I don't think I've ever fucking stood and said
hello to Todd Gordon.
Oh, you must have.
He was the ring announcer for Goodhart.
You must have met him.
I didn't know that.
see I did because he wasn't anybody to he was one of them I believe okay he didn't he wasn't anybody to pay attention to at that point if I did two of Joel goodhart shows I think the point is Todd Gordon was not a person that I would pay attention to at that point otherwise to be polite if he crossed my path because he was the announcer or whatever but it's oh that's Todd Gordon I'll remember him when he is famous later I don't know you know why you know why I knew who he was when ECW started he was he was he was he was he was he was he was
in the, fuck, you would know better than me.
Was it ABC or NBC?
They did the nightline, I guess it was maybe, about WCW right after Eligante
debuted.
And they showed Jim Hurd and Eligante and the planning stages of the costume.
And they showed Todd Gordon and his family.
Here's, you know, Todd Gordon in Philadelphia watching wrestling with his family.
You know, never, you know, he would one day fund, you know, the craziest shit ever.
Well, but anyway, back to the topic between 1993 and 1995.
whatever was going on in Philadelphia,
I didn't have time to get involved.
And again, we've talked about Tennessee
when work in Philadelphia
and Philadelphia when working Tennessee
at that point in time.
And those guys were local
and my guys were local
because none of us were set in the world on fire
and wanted to buy a bunch of plane tickets.
And there was nobody else
besides the big companies
with the contracts and the piccadillos
and all that stuff.
Toward, you know, 95, you have Ozark Mountains there by then.
Again, I don't know exactly what Bert was doing and how full of schedule.
I swear to God, the fucking, that, the Dutchman tells line, the steroids, the guys aren't even on food,
could have applied to Ozark, the Ozark Mountain Daredevils at that point.
Was there anything serious out of Georgia?
You did stuff with Sammy Kent, but there was nothing really.
It was all independent.
It was not, there was not any territory structure where they had television and regular towns that they promoted and were in a position to trade people back and forth and pay an outside guy to come in and make any difference, that type of thing.
So, you know, Heyman's 93 is a really interesting year because he ends up booking ECW.
And, you know, imagine, you know, the Gilbert's new, not just when.
Kevin Sullivan was there when all of a sudden, Ted Petty was booked, because that's a
Heyman guy.
I think that was like the clear, they're doing something different here with Paul.
But if you look at 93, he begins the year, he's left WCW, he goes on the Erezzi show
and announces that he's doing something that we've never heard of called HD, high definition,
and he's filming in sometime in Texas because they had the guy on, and they shot this television
taping because Ted Petty teamed up with Dean Malenko as the Camono Dragons and Jake Roberts
was there, Bob Orton.
So Polly was doing that.
At the same time, Crockett, knowing that his non-compete is about to expire, at some point
Crockett and Hey, Hey, Haman connected and became good, I don't even know good friends
at the wrong way.
We're planning on working.
Yeah, pump the brakes.
We became business associates.
We're planning on doing stuff.
When would that have happened?
Did that surprise you when you heard that Jim Crockett was working with Paul Heyman?
Well, I'm trying to remember, I remember the HD project you talked about.
Did that footage ever make the light a day, by the way?
I do not believe so.
I've always wanted to see it because they did a second taping too at the Manhattan Center in early 94
where Terry Funk against Saboo and has only been fan footage.
I don't think that ever...
But am I correct in remembering from the time today, the impression was whether factual or not
that Paul had found somebody that wanted to get in on a ground floor of HD television production
and convinced him that wrestling was the way and somehow didn't pay a lot of money for it to happen.
I think it was the World Wrestling Network. I think that was what it was going to be.
Well, but see, that was Crockets. That was Crocket's thing, too.
And if they were in Texas, that's where Jimmy, Jimmy Crockett had moved to Dallas in the late 80s.
Some said because they wanted to establish the office there in a major,
metropolitan area and media market and some said to get away from the rest of the family
well watts of an office there when they bought the UWF they got the well yeah but jimmy didn't
have to goddamn move out and live there right and he ended up he ended up moving and he had an
ice cream store that's the thing is while he was doing that non-compete with uh with TBS
finally whatever he we moved out there he did he did
was doing whatever the fuck he was doing.
And then when he was wanting to put this television thing together again,
the World Wrestling Network and do these tapings,
he called me,
and he was working the cash register at his ice cream store.
Because he said, hold on, and I heard him, ding, ding, thank you.
I mean, he was making fucking change.
And I'm not trying to say that Jimmy needed money.
I'm trying to say that Jimmy was probably going,
going nuts and wanted something to fucking do
and get back to wrestling business.
Because he had plenty of money
and he didn't have to work in his own fucking ice cream store, right?
But I think he didn't realize.
It's like that Seinfeld episode.
Yeah.
And he didn't realize, which I didn't fully realize
that wrestling was going to get worse in 1992
and three that it was in 1990.
And I don't think that he,
fully realize, and I was just trying to do
a regional territory and not be
national television and do all this
bullshit. He's trying to get back in the business again
with the World Wrestling Network.
And he's going to put this thing together.
And he's planning it while he's
working to cash register at the ice cream store.
And he didn't realize that this shit was going to get even
worse because Vince was getting all the
attention and all of it was bad. And steroid
trials and phony bullshit
and Hogan's going to Hollywood.
whatever the fuck we've all covered.
And so again, when he did the first taping in Chattanooga,
I believe if I want to say it's because Ronnie West,
who had been a long time from the time he was a referee in the 60s from Chattanooga
or from right outside there, Cleveland,
had been a referee for Goulis and then had worked for Jarrett and then had worked for,
and then it worked for Georgia
and then had worked as a road agent,
a referee at WCW and et cetera.
So I think he thought
Ronnie could draw him a good house there for the taping.
And that's what he borrowed my ring.
I said, we're not working.
He had the Rock and Roll Express.
He had all these guys because we didn't have a fucking date that night, right?
And then, you know, he wanted to just, oh, rock or roll,
come on, we're going to do this again.
And they're like, bullshit.
You've done one TV.
we're working there 15 days a month.
What are you?
You know, Jimmy was calmed down,
and he got miffed, and he went to Dallas,
and they flamed the fuck out.
And I'm not saying Jimmy was,
Jimmy was away for five years
because they contractually, he had to be.
That is remarkable.
But during that time,
he thought he could do it the fucking gin,
and it had got a lot worse.
The fact that he had five years after the sale,
was pretty remarkable.
Well, I didn't negotiate the fucking contract.
Was David Crockett there until the end?
I believe so in some capacity.
You know, I mean, they gave him a variety of jobs and departments,
but I think he was, you know, at something until very soon before,
if not till he end, I would think.
should Jim Crockett have had like wrestler-themed ice cream flavors?
I think then Vince would have beat him in another fucking deal.
He'd have taken him to court and sued him for a gimmick infringement.
All right.
This has been, I don't know what this has been.
Kentucky Derby Talk.
Well, well, it's been, but you know, also, I wanted to mention something.
Ladies and gentlemen, we on on the program here,
often raise awareness of a particular, you know, a person or a community, as they say,
that's in need, that's needy, that's, that's in dire straits because they can't get
something to help them live their lives, a better or healthier life or whatever.
And now we have to take up the mantle of crusading for
your friend, ladies and gentlemen in mind, the great brine last,
somewhere in this wide world,
it's got to be the season for sumo citrus mandarin's.
And I plead with you, I implore you,
wherever you are in the world, that it is now time for those beautiful
orangey balls of goodness,
sumo citrus mandarin's to be grown.
and plucked and enjoyed in the life-giving sustenance squeezed out of them and spread all over your body.
Please send a crate or a case or a carton or whatever container that they are properly contained in to the great Brian last because he's got some what my guy at a post office used to call white people problems up there in Jersey.
see he's afraid they're out of season.
Again, this is a very small problem,
but yes, it appears that the sumo oranges are out of season.
They go out of season usually around this time of year.
I was hoping to get another batch of them before they did,
but they are gone to return.
But not forgotten.
Nice offer you made, but no one will be able to get them.
They are literally out of season until next year.
Well, there's got to be the season somewhere.
It's goddamn Australia is the other side of the world.
So their wintertime is kind of,
coming up. So it's somewhere between the 49th parallel and Tippecanoo and Tyler, too,
around the world, there's got to be a place where it's perfect weather to be growing the citrus
mandarin's. Maybe you can grow them in your back door.
Sewo style. That great Louisville soil. Why don't you do something?
Well, the soil is sloppy over here.
Perfect time of all the rain. The perfect time to plant something.
Well, I can't provide them to you if I plan them now until they grow.
All right.
Well, thank you.
So you got to think about the growing.
All right.
Can I hold on here one second.
I've got a couple of things here.
I want to say, first of all, we got to explain something, Brian.
I saw we got to talk to the kids.
Somebody tweeted about the from the file.
one of the from the files segments that we have done
where you have read correspondence
from your friend and mine, Norm Kiteser,
who used to publish the wrestling news,
those files which you now possess and operate,
and the correspondence that he had
with other wrestling personalities,
and you'll read a letter from the wrestling personality
and then a letter Norman wrote them back or whatever,
and somebody said, well, bullshit.
If it wasn't email, it's just,
mailing letters, how would he have both sides of the
conference, he would have mailed the letter, you see what I'm saying?
Brian, should we enlighten the kids about the thing they used to have called carbon paper?
Well, I think the problem is you have to start by enlightening the kids about a thing they used to have called typewriters.
That's the issue.
Children, and I may actually, I'm hoping, I don't know, but I may have a,
box of carbon paper. I loved carbon paper when I was a kid. The smell. And my mom would
bring it home when she worked down to Chamber of Commerce a few seasons. And my dad had it
in the desk. You know, when I was a little kid, because younger folks out there,
when you operated a business back in those days and you were sending out a letter to someone
and you wanted to keep a record of it, your files,
and they didn't have the email where you get in training out
or whatever the fuck,
or put it in your goddamn pipe and smoke it to
or wherever the kids store their emails.
There was a piece of paper that was covered with carbon.
Carbon copy.
What do they think CC on the emails is now?
Yeah, it's true.
That's right.
Carbon copy is CC on, CC me on this email, carbon copy.
it had the muck on one side of the sheet when you peeled it off and you stuck it in between your goddamn
two pieces of paper and put it in your typewriter.
When you typed the original letter on the paper, it would also make an impression on the piece of paper underneath
that you kept as the carbon copy.
And that's what businesses did in the stigament of files, and that's why Brian you now possess
27 file cabinets of material from a wrestling magazine publisher in Mancato.
That's why I have two-way conversation.
It's a carbon copy of seemingly everything.
From checks to letters to everything, everything.
And it was easier and less expensive and less time consuming than putting it on the
mimeograph machine. You remember that one?
Yeah.
And those smelled good too.
Maybe that's what made all the kids from my generation of school smart
because we inhaled all the carbon paper and the smell of the mimeograph machine at school,
making all them copies.
What did they call them?
I can smell it now.
When you were a kid, did they call them dittoes?
I remember the phrase ditto, but we were actually in the old mimeograph thing.
I remember the word mimeograph machine being said constantly times per day.
Constantly times.
That's a mathematical measurement, by the way.
Ditto is the thing I remember everyone in the 80s when I was a kid calling it that just no one calls it now.
I'll make a ditto.
No one says that.
You know what nobody else says?
More.
Give us more of this.
Oh, what were you going to say?
No, I've got to plug something.
This is just a real quick.
plug, but it's not
capitalistic and commercial in nature.
It's because it's a great thing that we just got both of us.
Our friend Scott Teal at crowbarpress.com has published a book by Richard
Weichek, who did the Bruiser, Dick the Bruiser biography a few years ago, and
Stephen Verrier, who did help me.
He did Gene Kineski.
He did Canadian lessons.
Well, now, not in a biblical way.
He did Gene Kineski.
No, he did the Gene Kinnisky biography.
He did.
He's been working on various wrestling history projects.
Kenisky.
Then that Kineski book was like Kineski, very thick.
But anyway, they do wonderful research.
And the book is Wilbur Snyder,
the world's most scientific wrestler.
And you go to crowbarpress.com for information about this
and a whole lot more.
But I haven't even,
I had to jump into
some of the partnership between Dick the Brewzer and Wilbur Snyder
that led to the formation of the WWA and Indianapolis
because that is with the first wrestling that I actually ever saw
and I'm fascinated and wanted to know more
and we've studied Tennessee and I was here so much
and heard so many of the stories so much of this is new
but without even getting into a review of the book
because I haven't read the whole thing
just a factoid.
They even got, because
Vichick has done
numerous interviews, as I said
with the Bruiser book,
but for years he's done interviews
about the WWA,
and they talked to Mike Snyder,
Wilbur's son here,
and have personal documents
from the family,
but he saw Bruiser's
actual book.
Bruiser's book, we always talk about,
oh, the guy they showed his book.
Well, he's seen Bruiser's book.
and with Bruiser, Snyder, and Vern Ganya,
partners in Chicago, Brian, as we've talked about in the 60s,
and Chicago coming back to somewhat of its former glory
after Jack Fevere got finished with it,
two shows in Chicago, March 11th and April 15th, 1967,
Dick the Bruiser as a main event wrestler
and as one of the three partners in the promotion of the town,
for those two shows,
Bruiser made $6,400,
which doesn't sound massive in, but in 1967.
In 2025 money, that's $61,000.
For Dick the, the median household,
income in the United States for a family per year in
1967 was $7,200.
He made $6,400 in two nights in, you know,
again, a fucking company that he owned and he could do
whatever he wanted the rest of the month was more fucking money
that he got the first count on.
That's put a urinal in your house kind of money.
Boy, he pissed her.
away literally.
It did.
Do people even understand?
Dick the Bruiser,
not only,
it is master bedroom,
not only had the biggest custom-made bed
possibly in the world.
His bed was 20 feet wide,
but in his master bathroom,
he had the only urinal
in a private residence in Indianapolis.
Because it made him feel more like he was in a locker room.
Well, that book is,
but anyway.
Hold on.
I got here, as you said, there's also a book, Ed Don George,
The Remarkable Life of an Olympian and Pro Wrestling Champion by Dan Murphy.
So for those who are into Buffalo Wrestling History,
and the Joel Goodhart biography, it's actually an interview that Scott Teal did with him.
We wrestled, we brawled, we started it all.
By Joel Goodhart and Scott Teal.
Okay, now we're basically, poor Scott, I must say, in his defense,
is in this case the transcriber and interviewer and questioner,
but certainly don't blame him for anything it might be said
that is in any way related to bullshit.
Well, once again, these are all available at crowbarpress.com.
For everyone who gets in touch and says,
how can I learn about wrestling history beyond the show?
Crowbarpress.com.
Mention you heard it here.
You get a free Scott Teal autograph.
That's the way they do it.
And, and, Beau, you know what Dennis Corluzzo used to use
this their tagline
because their tagline in the
TWA was we wrestle, we braw, we do it all.
And Dennis said, no, it's we wrestle, we brawl,
we can't fill the hall.
What do you think of Dennis's,
how much of it was personal,
he didn't get along with the people,
and how much of it was territorial
in terms of, you know, the problems over the years,
Dennis and Goodhart, Dennis and Todd Gordon,
Dennis and Heyman,
how much of it because Paul Heyman and Dennis never got along.
I can't speak to Todd Gordon and Dennis.
I don't think they got along too much,
although Todd Gordon ended up working for him at some point.
Not like in the office or anything,
but as a matter of his show.
Well, no, but remember then on that big Eddie Gilbert anniversary show,
that was when they walked out and blamed me
because I told Dennis change the finish, remember?
He came up to me,
and I'm sorry, this is not even where we were going,
but jot it down and we'll come back there.
But on one of those big Eddie Gilbert Memorial shows
No, no, it was the NWA 50th anniversary.
The NWA 50th anniversary that was in a hotel ballroom there.
Help me, where was it?
It was in Philly.
In Philly, by the airport at a hotel ballroom thing.
Yeah.
And, you know, again, Dennis is there and he's, because he's always
sweating and he's drinking tea and he's fucking oh jimmy jimmy you know i got all these guys and i don't
if i'm going to do this that thing and i said well what's the bad well you know he had some kind of
fecokta 10 person tag team cage thing for the main event i don't know if you may remember you
probably got the program but it was involving todd gordon and invaders from
whatever.
I don't know what, from the local
X, ECW group or whatever
and goddamn
Dennis's guys.
And he said, oh, then we did this, we did that, and now I've got to pay
all these guys, and Gordon wants this, and now
they're going to come back with us. So, why are you
bringing it back? If you don't like it, you don't
want to do it, and you don't want to pay all these
fucking people, why are you bringing it back?
he said well that's what they laid out i said well fucking they laid it out are they fucking
paying themselves no you're paying them so you lay it out just fucking beat him if you want to
he said okay i will so he sent word he was going to beat him and they all hooked out yeah because
that day there was a convention during the day and todd gordon and the sandman were holding court
you know they had a good crowd around them everyone's laughing next thing you know they're gone
And it would be created a really awkward situation.
That was a weird show.
Ray Odyssey, I think, got like really badly concussed or something.
Next day I know he was like down on a ground surrounded my paramedics of the hallway.
And Missy Hyatt was like leading the way.
Because at that time, I think she was training to be a paramedic or she was a paramedic.
And then because Todd left.
The next time I saw Missy, they were calling a paramedic on her.
What?
No.
What I was going to say?
At the Pilman Memorial.
What happened?
They called the paramedics on her and Sunny, bless them.
Oh, I didn't know that.
Well, I think maybe more Tammy, but it didn't, it didn't look like Missy was going
in the right direction either that day.
And I'm not trying to start anything, but I love Missy, but Les Thatcher came up to me and said,
go talk to Missy.
I said, I'm sorry, what?
He said, go over there quick and talk to Missy.
She's standing in the hall, you know, like where the gym was.
She's underneath the bleachers or whatever and not out in the arena,
but she's in the hallway.
Just go talk to Missy and make sure she doesn't go to the ring.
What?
So I go out, hey, Missy, how you doing?
I haven't seen you in her blah, blah, blah.
And I'm just, I don't.
And she didn't look like she was trying to go to the ring.
I didn't have to physically restrain her, but after a few minutes,
I'm thinking, why am I just standing here?
What the fuck is going on here?
And I just said, Missy, stay here.
I'll be right back.
And I just left and I didn't see either one of them again.
I think the paramedics were called shortly after for somebody.
Let me just say that.
I don't want to spread any allegations.
It's interesting because the show we're talking about when Todd left,
it was Missy Hyatt that they talked into leading the heel faction against Doug Gilbert
and the NWA.
and they had a weird scene where, like, to somehow explain to the fans following this storyline,
which was like nobody, to explain to them what's going on,
Missy Hyatt all of a sudden came on to Doug, and Doug rejected it because he would never,
and that started the main event match, but it was a weird error where you could see people
that you'd seen on TV really fucked up, because that was a day that William Regal...
I was going to ask you that, because that's why...
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Because that was the day you came up to me.
Funny enough, it was you and Doug Gilbert in the back of the room talking,
and I was right next to you guys.
And this is a cool moment for me as a teenager.
You turned to me and you said, because you realized what was happening.
It was Dan Severn against William Regal.
William Regal had his boots on the long feet.
Yeah.
And you said, Brian, you're smart.
And that was like the biggest compliment ever.
Brian, you're smart.
Go to the ring announcer and tell him in one minute to announce that five minutes.
have gone by. Tell them then to count
another three minutes and announce 10 minutes of gone by.
And we were just skimming time in real time. It was crazy.
Well, and again, without, I don't want to just dangle the incomplete
story there. And we're not, again, I think William
Regal has written about it, I believe, in his book.
We're not trying to slander him. But
one of the things that Dennis had put together
for the NWA 50th anniversary was Dan Severn.
Again, I can't remember where the UFC was this point in time,
probably not yet, but Dan Severn,
one of the most decorated amateur or collegiate wrestlers in general
that the world has ever produced and the United States has ever produced
and the former NWA champion and he can fucking wrestle
and have him against William Regal, who at that point, Brian were,
we were tried because J.R. was there, remember?
Yeah, there were a bunch of students.
You actually brought, there was a battle with the students.
So, I mean, there was a big WWF presence.
But we were trying to get William Regal over some way to get started in WWF or WWF at that point in time.
Right? Or get another, a second chance.
Get a second chance, I think.
That's what, it was the second chance thing and had JR come down.
Is it why he's going to wrestle, you know, Dan Severn and J.R. came down from fucking his exile in Connecticut up there.
Or that miserable overpriced hellhole, as he said.
And as soon as he, they go to the ring, well, but even before, as you said, William Regal had his boots on the wrong feet and went out.
And, you know, Dan later on was like I didn't, I, what could I have done besides just, you know, take it and fucking, you know, be disrespectful.
If it had been someone like, you know, Rick Flair in his prime or something, maybe they could have hit a good portion of it because it's not like they didn't deal with situations like that at times like Carrie Von Eric or something.
But there's only so much you can do, Dan Severin, if you weren't going to carry Dan Severin, I don't know if carries even.
the right word. I mean, well, no, if he wasn't going to leave the match.
He, well, it's, well, but remember, we totally wanted him to have this wrestling match and
William Regal's trying to do all the wrestling shit, but he can't do it. And Dan is like,
what the fuck? I can't just start doing drop kicks and shit. And I could take this match,
but then I'm beating the guy who didn't realize how bad he was. I'm beating him for real.
And why, you know, he just was like trying to wrestle.
And it went on forever.
Ever.
And that's why, you know,
because I really can't even remember who the timekeeper ring announcer,
whoever was, but we had to send you with the directions on how,
we couldn't just say, shave time.
We had to explain the process of the shaving of the time.
Because as you know, Jerry, it's not the, it's not the wanting to shave the time.
It's the actual shaving of the time.
And then they wouldn't, and he wouldn't listen to it.
It went, even with the shaving of the time, it went way too long.
That's right.
Yeah.
And, and then JR had to go back and report what he had seen.
So, that was a cool weekend, though, because that was also a cauliflower rally in the Northeast.
So you had Fred Blassie there, you had, I think Tully Blanchard actually may have been there.
You had Abdullah the butcher.
He had like a weird cast of people there.
It was like a really cool wrestling weekend.
Well, all those people thank you for that assessment of their character.
Yeah, a bunch of weirdos.
When it comes to general society looking at this group of people I just named Fred Blassie,
Abdul the butcher and Tully Blanchard.
Yeah, they're the weirdos, I think.
They may not be in real life, but, you know, judging a book by its cover,
by his Gold Blamey outfit and the guy eating a fork.
Yeah, they're weird.
This is your show.
No, it's not.
Well, this has been Crowbar Press Talk.
Once again, crowbarpress.com.
I don't know if any of these stories are in those books,
but there are great stories for you to learn in those books.
We talked about coinette's collectibles, Jim.
No, we didn't.
Oh, we didn't.
We didn't say a goddamn word about it.
You know, now that you brought it up,
but I'll rectify that mistake.
But I don't know what right now is on sale.
at Jim Cornett.com because we launched the big sale over the Derby weekend.
And as predicted, many of the one-of-kind items are, and they're gone.
And I thank everybody.
And I'm working now with the feather bottom group.
The feather bottom group, they've incorporated now.
It's the feather bottom group limited.
But we are sorting those things now and beginning the processing of those orders.
but there, I believe, are still a few of the things that we had more of left,
including some of the action figures and et cetera,
and some of the stuff it's on sale.
So go to Jimcornette.com.
Corny's vault sale when you click on collectibles right on the top.
And also, it came down due to we spend time on processing these orders
or spend time on pulling down all of the stuff that's sold out.
If you click on something and it says sold out, don't get frustrated.
but we're trying to work on both those things.
But we're getting these things under control.
Jimcornet.com.
That's right.
That's my advice from me to you.
Well, as always, it's appreciated.
But Jim, let's get going with this really fun wrestling show.
Let's get going.
We're 45 minutes into this nonsense.
What did you see, if anything on Smackdown,
that previously aired at a previous time and date?
well it was May the second and it's so long ago but I just wanted to make mention that an old friend of ours
has come back to television but he's no longer Malachi black he's Alistair Black
that was his old name previously in WWE well yeah his WVE name so Alistair Black is now
back and Malachi Black
is not
back because he wouldn't have been
Malachi if he could have
still been Alistair.
Have I got a grip on this now?
I don't know what you got a grip on. I'd call a doctor.
You know, if he didn't have all those tattoos
would we be talking about how skinny he is?
He'd hit me watching.
He's dropped weight
and leaned out to look like
a just a badass
type of...
Six foot two, Adam Cole.
Well, he's...
Come on that.
No, come on.
Six one.
If Alistair Black
was to fucking be lost in the wilderness
and die from the elements,
then there would be something to nourish
a wildlife creature off of his body right now.
The same cannot be said for Adam Cole.
I don't know. I mean, a buzzard, maybe.
Have you seen the size of a buzzard?
A buzzard?
Couldn't, a buzzard eating Adam Cole as some other buzzard would come along and say,
out you're eating like a bird.
Hold on eating Adam Cole or eat a Malacobah?
Who's getting eaten here in this scenario that you're-
Well, I'm saying that if Adam Cole was eaten, he would not be enough sustenance,
whereas you could live off of Alistair Black.
Depends on the animal.
I don't know that.
Alistair Black may be taller, but-
Well, maybe not a goddamn hippopotamus or a rhinoceros or al-a-a-a-o.
Those were the examples I was thinking of, of course, not a hippopotamist.
They're not in the wild out here.
Well, it depends on how wild you are and where you live.
There's a chance that either of them could sustain many small wildlife creatures for, you know, a week, week and a half.
Okay, Adam Cole may be a, gopher, chipmunk, squirrel.
They got to eat, too.
O posser.
They're God's creatures, too, Jim.
They got to eat, too.
Don't look down on them just because they're not a rhinoceros and a hippo, like your favorites.
You're, I'm just saying you're trying to say that Alistair Black was equivalent to Adam Cole in terms of his weight loss, whereas in actuality, I'm saying he's going for the thing where he wants to show him that he's into this and he's going to be all lean and he's going to be the kickboxer type.
He's got the educated feat.
We'll see what happens.
But so far, my feeling is like Tony won this round, giving them back.
and Alistair Black. I'm serious.
Alice the Black had a problem with his booking in AEW.
He just worked a two-segment competitive match
with the Miz.
I know.
Don't complain about your AEW booking.
Who are you getting ahead of yourself?
I didn't even talk about this yet.
But Alistair Black is back.
He's back in black.
And he gets the spooky music
and he gets the dark lighting
and the Hannibal Lecter
lift up on the board
that was stolen from
Paul Heyman when he did that originally
with who, Sabu,
that was stolen from Hannibal Lecter
when he did that for the Science of the Lambs.
Science of the lambs, that's right.
And so that's cool.
And the announcers say he's been out of the WW for five years.
And I'm thinking, well, he was rotten in AEW.
Is he going to be any better here?
and there was no teleportation or lighting tricks or David Copperfield style allusions to his entrance.
He got spooky lighting and there's nothing wrong with that.
Nothing wrong with that.
But he's at a single match with the MIS.
Haven't we seen for the past three years and maybe in tag matches?
He put some time in, but the Miz was flattened by a number of,
wrestlers,
celebrities,
influencers,
popcorn stand vendors
in about two minutes
over and over.
And they went,
what,
10 minutes,
it seemed longer.
Back and forth,
it wasn't unprofessional.
Nobody's the shits here,
but it's the fucking Ms.
who loses in minutes to everybody.
And half of
black's shit is kicks,
which are 50-50 to me on the looks.
Either it's like, oh, Jesus Christ,
that was kind of weird, maybe off to,
holy shit, I wouldn't stand in front of that.
And, I mean, somewhere in that range.
And then, oh, my God, it's permanent.
And then he knocked Ms. out with the kick,
which, again, he's,
He's very good with it.
I can say that about it.
Because it, it, it, this one was okay.
But, uh, goddam, there's only a little small, little tiny.
I can't even say the word to describe the thickness of the hair of the margin for error
that there is in that move.
That's why they gave him.
And a boom.
That's why they gave him the Miz.
What?
If it happens, it happens.
I got it.
I get a fucking forearm in the mouth,
and boom and he went down.
And the other guy bends over and looks at him and says,
oh, shit.
And his brother came up and said,
no, no, it's okay.
He looked like that before.
Anyway, all right.
Welcome back, Alistair Black.
He came back and then also on Smackdown.
I just, I couldn't even make notes.
Randy Orton came out and did a promo about John Cena and Sina was not there.
So it was just Randy doing a promo promoting the match.
And there's, again, nothing wrong with that.
And he did, who would have thought Randy Orton would have been?
That's the one thing out of all the whole class.
The only thing that we didn't expect was that Orton would be a fucking great live promo for 15 minutes or whatever.
But he knocked John Sina, trashed his merchandise.
He says he raised your kids.
The only thing he raised was the price of your merchandise.
Now these parents have to work a double to pay for it.
And he assassinated Cina's care.
I think that John, and I mean, I'm going to go on record with this.
And I am happy to be corrected, but everybody mark it down, which show, what number show is this of the drive-through saying write it down?
3-91.
Drive-through 3-91.
one, Jim Cornett says John Cena's not switching back baby face before he rides off into the wrestling sunset.
Because between the things that he has said and the things that people are saying about him on television,
I think John has been turned heel, why not?
When I retire next year, they don't care if I'm a heel in Hollywood or I'm not going to wrestle.
and what they're still going to buy my merchandise
of what the fuck, I'll just be the guy that turned to heel.
He always, he was a heel
when he first started because he wanted to be the prototype.
That was his gimmick.
So I think he's just,
I'll just do this and he don't care if he,
because you cannot rehabilitate
a fucking person
from not only people saying these things about him,
but him saying these things to all the fucking fans
and then in, what is it, it's May in
five months and three weeks
for the big blow off,
shit, I'm sorry.
Yeah, fuck, I've realized now.
God damn it, you know, I went to therapy.
How do you, how do you turn this around
or isn't it all just fake as fuck?
I don't know how you turn this around.
Turn what around?
How do you turn what around?
who turned it around as far as in any way portraying
John Sina as a baby face
because that was the thing when he turned heel
everybody said well he'll
spend the years of heel
and then he'll switch back baby face for his big retirement or whatever
and then he can ride off in the sunset
I think he's riding off in the sunset
with a fucking finger over his shoulder
fuck all y'all
he could still do it but you may be right
he may ride off like that but he could still do it
I do what's like Andre the giant
Andre the giant last match he does something
Cody beats him for the belt
post match the rock comes in he's disappointed
he pushes Sina
Sina slugs the rock knocks him down
leaves the ring on a ring car
to oblivion
I think if Sina
knocks the rock out they would probably cheer
but uh
it would be a mistake actually because there would be
no match
There's nothing near doing.
But I was about to say that that would just be, you know,
and is that all there is?
Was that all there is from SmackDown?
Certainly was.
All right, that was Smackdown.
Certainly was.
Three hours.
I mean, and Jacob Fatu does things.
But it's, again, it's difficult to suffer through three hours to get, you know,
I'd rather just see the Jacob Fitu clip on YouTube
and be done with it.
It's come to this.
They've driven me to the streaming
and the short attention span theater.
Well, I think there is a problem right now
where WWTV is becoming a little hard to get through again.
And, you know, you bring up Jacob Fattu,
I will say, I've enjoyed the street profits as heels lately.
The problem is there's no division for them to work with.
So we'll see where they go.
but that was smackdown, as you said.
Maybe they could work out some kind of trade
and they could send them over to work with the Hurt Syndicate
and then both problems would be solved.
Well, Jim, while we're on this topic of...
I see you give that a lot of goddamn concerns.
While we're on the topic of WWE television,
what did you watch on Raw?
Well, I'll tell you exactly what I watched on Raw
as soon as I turned the page to my notepad
to remind myself
what I watched on the raw.
And again, this program is two hours and 30-some minutes, usually most weeks.
It was again this week.
And boy, howdy, they got there.
They got the main event deal going and then there's a significant drop-off.
But the main event deal, Paul Heyman, Seth Franklin Rollins, and Braun Badass Breaker.
as this new incredible heel group and they recapped last week with what they did to poor old sammy zane
just just beat him up and just left him just like a government mule as jr would say and then they
come to the the crowd shot have you ever seen it 11,558 people in omaha nabraska but are they
shooting this thing with a fish eye limb?
it looked like there was 25,000 people in his fucking place, just everywhere.
What's going on here, Brian?
Is this computer genera?
Is this owl?
Al's at work here?
I don't think this is A1.
I think this is just the drone shot, and you can get a fish-eye view, or you could get
various different views, and of course it is a almost full house.
It looks good.
I don't know what else you want me to say.
A fish-eye view.
It's the old little fishies.
And it looked like a big bucket of guppies just wiggling around when Jay Uso came out and they're yeating and they're waving.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph, they yeat and wave.
Do they ever get tired?
These people work harder in the stands than most of the guys do in the ring.
It's just they're so happy.
Are they spiking the arenas?
Does the real American beer
That they're pitching on the logo on the canvas
Are they putting fucking happy juice
And that stuff?
A little volume, little lithium?
What is this stuff that makes the kids happy these days?
The ketamine?
I don't know if that's the stuff that makes the people
buying these tickets happy.
I don't know why anyone is happy after paying that price
for those tickets.
I don't get it at all.
they've been talking about everybody's talking about the ticket prices are higher than ever they've got almost 12,000 people in fucking Omaha that have paid hundreds of dollars each to be there and the guy come in they love him and they're fucking yeating and they started yeating again they stopped the music but he revs it up and they eat again for a yeat reprise and it was 10 minutes and 27 seconds Jay Uso spoke his first word into the show.
and he was blown up.
And he calls out very briefly
Logan Paul,
but suddenly he gets the wrong Paul
because out comes Paul Heyman
and he's already got the microphone
and the people do his,
my name is Paul Heyman and it echoes.
They love that.
and he talks his way to the ring
and before we talk about the content of this
one must mention
Brian you brought it up before
when the whole bloodline
was unraveling
back in the day, back in the
long ago, the before time.
You said, look,
Heyman, when he shows he's stressed,
he won't shave,
he looks pale,
you got dark circles under his eyes
or he's unkempt in some fashion.
He's really a method type of guy with the way he looks.
What explains that he got in the ring
looking like the AEW spray tan artist
had fucking went to work on his goddamn giant cranium?
Why is this a surprise to you?
I think he's a pioneer in wrestling in terms of makeup
and making himself orange or another color.
He did that on TBS and for WCW all the time, didn't he?
but he just suddenly has he ever been it's like they were ribbing some had they and they didn't do the side of his neck there was a clear delineation between the darkness of his jowl and the lightness of when he turned a sideways and the light struck it you could see but nevertheless he looked he looked like a bald godfrey cambridge it was it was off-putting
by Google at kids
and it'll be fucking hilarious
it was off-putting
wasn't it?
He was so
and then when he got cranked up
I'm sure that that prevented us
from seeing that his face had turned so red
that he was about to have a pulmonary embolism
but anyway.
Yes.
Yes, yes what?
Yeah, I did at one point while he was talking
I did think wow he's really
considering he got more worked up in this promo than any promo I can think of in recent memory
to the point where you're like, yeah, this may not be healthy for a guy his size to get as
worked up as he is.
But it was one of his, I think it was actually one of his best promos ever.
Oh, no, that's the thing.
Well, we're going to get to this.
When he gets cracked up, this is one of the best things he's ever done.
But again, we do have to worry about his health.
But maybe, you know, instead of dying with your boots on like a marshal,
in the Old West for a wrestling manager.
It's dying in the middle of a promo.
But anyway, he cranked up on Jay Uso.
I tell him, you think I betrayed your family?
Oh, no, no, no, no.
My best friend, C.M. Punk,
and as soon as he'd mentioned somebody's name,
they would chant for him.
But Punk put me in a position
where it would sabotage my relationship with Roman Rain,
to do this favor.
In Roman.
I wasn't going to betray him.
And then, of course, in Paul's backhanded way,
I picked a stray big dog on the island of irrelevancy
and turned him into the travel chief, and he blew it.
He blew it, not me.
And he disappeared and left me to get put through a table.
It's such odd terminology, if you're not with it in wrestling,
wondering if we should think about all saying to fucking throw me through a piece of furniture
or something less, maybe even more descriptive, but nevertheless,
he put me through the fucking table and he didn't come back to get even for me.
He came back to get the Eul Lafalon.
And he worked himself, you blame me?
Screw you.
Screw you fans for booing me.
and he was just his eyes were popping out and it was fucking great right
and technically he was very he's making
correct in everything he said yes he was he was the indignance was not
not well it was not fake but you know it was a work but it was
you could feel the indignance it seemed to hang heavy over him
and the people start saying you suck you suck and then asshole asshole
and then Paul's leaning over the rope and he's composing himself and Jay said okay but
what does all that have to do with me and Paul then apologize I'm sorry I didn't mean to say
that I just also came to talk to you the title that you have it's about power and control
and you don't know how to use it.
And you need to be champion,
but Seth has to be champion.
And Braun Breaker may have been stage one,
but stage two is that title,
so I'll let you pick the night
that you lose the World Heavyweight Championship
because Seth Rollins is challenging you anytime, any place.
And then Jay Bose up at Paul,
who then quivers backwards,
looking somewhat like the 1958 classic,
The Blob, starring Steve McQueen,
being projected in reverse into the turnbuckles.
And Jay says, let's make it tonight.
Yeat!
And we got our main event.
And yes, again,
the applause of your new noise filter
will take out my goddamn,
sound applause, but applause for Paul.
We heard your sound applause.
Well, you hold on.
Let me see what does this sound like here?
Where's my applause?
My sound applause.
Well, my sound applause.
Oh, there it's cut out.
There we go.
Does that come through?
It's still going.
I don't know.
You're filtering all of my goddamn.
Just because I have the sour belches every now and then, you got these new audio.
Well, we could add the belches in post-production.
one of the things that we could do.
All righty.
Why didn't ask for belches?
The sound applause.
The sound applause is up there with the night that Frank Braille got on the bike
because of the loser because of the other one's feet matches.
I'm not happy with this foot and kiss.
Who was it that said,
wait a minute now.
There was a promo in the late 70s.
I'm trying to remember who it was.
it may have been the Gibson brothers talking about David Shultz and Dennis Condry,
where Ricky Gibson may have said, we're going to go through you like a hot butter through knife.
Sometimes these things happen.
Well, you know, sometimes these things happen, Jim, when people are tired.
And maybe that explains a lot with Paul Heyman here, the appearance.
Yes.
The bad decision making, whatever may be.
be a good night's sleep could take care of a lot of that.
You know, it's been said that a good night's sleep can make you feel good,
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but I've heard these things, and Jim, I think it's time for our people to hear other things
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And that reflects on your mattress, doesn't it, Brian?
That will reflect on, especially if you use the black light.
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don't you use a pillow
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what about when you turn over
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these are not symptoms
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And then no. No, I'm talking about over the top of your baby,
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You know, that causes.
That's 0.3% of the deaths in the state of Michigan.
People sleeping on stinky mattresses.
Again, we don't have, let's not, let's not talk about statistics that are not backed up with facts or data or anything else, but let's tell the people.
I'm backing up on it.
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You know what that means, Jim?
It's the breaking news update.
We're coming out of Helix sleep.
We're awake.
And apparently things are happening in the wrestling world
concerning something we just spoke about.
And of course, that man is the immortal Hulk Hogan.
Well, I thought you were going to say that man is the immortal Benjamin Shelton.
Benjamin Shelton.
The folks may recall, if they've been up on the programming, if they've been listed,
Hulk Hogan recently blurted out of his ass that all of the hot shot, you know,
badass amateur wrestlers and real shooters and dangerous type of people that he's in the ring with,
or he's been in the ring with.
He got Brock Lesnar right out of the UFC.
Got him right out of OVW.
It's where he got him before he'd ever fucking heard of the goddamn UFC.
And at the same time, he also mentioned that noted amateur great
from the University of Minnesota, Benjamin Shelton.
And many people also pointed out, I guess we didn't need to bring up,
but didn't at the time that out of all the people he mentions
he can't get the black guy's name right.
Well, I mean, the big thing is that we've now learned
it wasn't an isolated incident.
There's now audio of a second incident
where he calls him Benjamin Shelton.
So that's what's making it go around today.
I couldn't believe it.
Oh, yeah.
Because now there's a little compilation video
of the two different times he said it.
Yes, you, we retweeted the,
I retweeted the tweet that you tweeted about the twit, the twat that can't.
But anyway, so there has been an official response is what we're trying to beat around
a bush and say.
Well, somewhat official.
It's from Shelton, Benjamin, the wrestler.
I don't know what he has to do with Benjamin Shelton, to be quite honest.
Well, he's the agent of Benjamin Sheltin, because Benjamin Sheltin is a Shell Corporation,
actually formed for tax purposes off the Isle of Man.
man. But Shelton Benjamin is the chief executive officer of said, it's a side business he's got in
addition to the Hurt Syndicate. But Sheldon Benjamin, we will quote, message to at O'Cogan,
you lost me forever with your quote, don't get caught, unquote, or as you would call it, quote, unquote,
apology speech.
So rather than screw up my name
and pretend we ever had any sort of camaraderie
which we never had,
please do me a favor.
And then there is the
meme, the video, the gif, or whatever
of Will Smith saying,
keep my name out of your fucking mouth
with a subtitle just in case you can't read his lips.
Technically he is.
Yeah.
That's the work.
around. What's his problem? I didn't even say his name. I'm talking about some other guy.
Who's the other guy? Who's the other guy? I thought it was him. Benjamin Shelton.
When I first started out, I was working with Brazil Bobo all over the place. And then there was
Gracie Hoyce. I fought him in Argentina in front of 172,000 people. So you know Shelton,
Benjamin. How do you think he takes this when it first happened? Is it something he
would laugh at? Is it something that he would be annoyed by? I mean, obviously at this point,
he's a little annoyed, maybe more because of the context of Hogan using his name.
No, I think he's more than a little bit annoyed. No,
Sheldon Benjamin would consider if somebody screwed up his name where it came from,
if it was the kind of goofy little kid in the amateur class that, you know, whatever,
he would laugh at that because he's got a good sense of humor and he doesn't take
himself seriously as a goddamn superstar.
There's no Shelton Benjamin magazine
like there's a Monet magazine or whatever.
He's got a sense of humor,
but if it's goddamn
Hulk Hogan,
who, and repeatedly,
repeatedly,
botches his name
just because he couldn't be bothered
to learn the name of a guy that he
worked with. One would think that Hogan
would have some
knowledge of the wrestling industry.
And I don't think he's amused.
I don't think Shelton's amused at all.
And I also think that
Hulk Hogan better keep his name
out of his fucking mouth.
Because look at the two of,
I mean, Hulk Hogan,
when he was 27 years old,
would last approximately
fucking 16 seconds with Shelton now
if Shelton stopped Pose first.
Oh, come on.
Which one of them is the commissioner of
R-A-F wrestling.
Is it Shelton?
Is it Benjamin or is it Hulk Hogan?
And that's what this is all about.
He's on a press tour.
And look, yeah, he's the figurehead of an amateur wrestling league.
And here's a standout amateur wrestler that could put a ham sandwich on his back and starve him to death.
And he don't know his name.
And just so the listeners who are not aware of this can know, here's the 22-second highlight video that's out there.
Let's play this audio so you can hear the living exhibit.
Great guys like Kurt Angle and Brock Lesnar, you know,
Benjamin Shelton, there's some really tough guys.
Really crazy.
Russ was like...
Well, that was the first interview, again, brief clip from the Pat McAfee show.
And now here's Hulk Hogan on TMZ.
I got Brock Lesner right after you left the UFC.
I got him first.
I got a current angle when his eyeballs used to roll back like a shark and he'd come after me.
You know, Benjamin Shelton, all these different guys that I've had the operas.
opportunity to see adapt to our business.
You know what he's doing is he's written down notes of they've put so much thought into
this and careful planning and this has been a dream of his that's finally coming to fruition
for so long as he's doing a media tour, he has to write down and memorize notes of the
goddamn only three guys that he even has bothered to notice had an amateur background
so that he can compare his business of pro wrestling some weight
to what the fuck he's trying to con to people out of now.
It's basically what's happening here, is it not?
Isn't this insulting to the legacy of Jack Briscoe
that he doesn't get mentioned by Hogan?
That's another thing is Jack Briscoe,
when Hogan started in Florida,
was the epitome of the shooter,
and Jack Briscoe, actually, to be quite honest,
was an NCAA champion.
That same thing as Angle.
That was above Shelton's level at that point.
It was, you know, pretty rare air.
But to point is, people today don't remember
who the NCAA wrestling champion was in the 70s,
so he's not going to mention Jack Briscoe.
He's going to mention names that he thinks people know,
and he could think of three, and he got one wrong.
You think one of the problems with this RAF, one of the problems,
I'm not saying this is the problem or an isolated problem.
One of the problems is there's like no way to really get, I don't know,
I've watched amateur wrestling.
The finishes aren't really great.
Like it's exciting when you see the person jumping up and down and celebrating,
but like the referee looking for the pin, the angle they're at,
it's just if you're used to pro wrestling, it's a, it's an adjustment.
It's not necessarily an exciting end.
Well, and that's, again, it's kind of like maybe what pro wrestling is now the concept with completely different execution.
If you are really into amateur wrestling and understand the scoring system and understand what's going on in front of you,
that it can be very exciting.
and for the places historically, you know, the Midwest, the Iwas and Nebraska's
and, you know, places that produce top amateur wrestling,
that's, you know, a thing that they like.
But pro wrestling is rapidly getting to that point,
unless you really are into it enough to understand everything
it's going on and overlook some things and potentially sit through a lot of slow spots,
just completely different execution,
but it's starting to be the same kind of thing.
You've got to really kind of be into it.
Considering this is all Hogan,
and he gets a lot of attention for this stuff,
for good or for bad,
should AEW use this?
Should I mean the Hurt Syndicate use it to?
I mean, it benefits them.
Just something on the air.
Hulk Hogan, go fuck yourself.
And then you move on, you do your stuff with MJF,
but is it worth even mentioning on
air because of how much attention you could possibly get?
Because Hogan can't fire back.
What's he going to say?
Bobby Washley, I'll kick your eye.
He can't say anything.
Well, you know, I kind of see,
here's the problem, is that
you've got so many inflammatory
opinions over there and the AEW, you know,
brain trust as to whether they should
or should mention competition or do these things,
and sometimes people get to make cute remarks
and other times they don't.
I don't know at this point if I was MVP,
if I might not just issue an open offer.
We understand some of our compadres, our brethren,
in the professional wrestling industry,
or branching out, trying to be involved in amateur wrestling,
of which we all have some degree of background in as well,
and we'd be more than happy.
If you would like to come here
and put any athlete against my men, whatever.
Go ahead, what are you going to say?
I'll tell you what, Hogan.
We won't put you in against Lashley,
because you know what Lashley will do to you,
and you know what Benjamin Shelton will do to you,
and he's ready to do it.
He hates you, but the world know it.
I'm just a manager,
but I may be able to handle myself,
you know, MJF, you want to prove yourself?
Take down this old man,
and just MJF finally takes down Hulk Hogan,
wrestling style.
Freestyle.
Yeah, that requires.
That requires Hulk Hogan to show up.
What I'm thinking about is I like where you were going there.
What about if MVP says if any of these so-called wrestlers from this new league
want to face either member of the Hurt syndicate,
they will be glad to give you a ring and an opportunity here.
But if the figurehead, if he was, I'm just a manager and he's, you know,
there's some way to denigrate him as a figurehead.
I don't even know if he wants to mention his name or not.
everybody might know is it the wink wink whatever the fuck but he could say i'll i'll take you on
you know just give me five minutes someone said i'm going to put up the money for this thing
and let's get hulk hogan and eric bischoff we'll get some publicity and the publicity
they've gotten has been half Hulk hogan's full of shit and the other half Hulk hogan looks
sick this is not what you want for the commissioner of this league but anyway that's uh
That's the latest conflict.
I would imagine we're not going to hear back from the former Terry Bolea.
I know Shelton was there.
Forgive me for not remember.
Did Hulk Hogan ever actually work a match with Shelton?
Even if it was a tag match?
Maybe that's the only way it would be if it was Team Angle, him and Charlie Hoss against Hogan's Edge or something.
They've obviously been in the same.
They were in the same.
Hulk Hogan's match with Brock Lesner was in 2000.
They were there at the same time.
That's right.
Yes, they've been there at the same time.
They don't necessarily have to have goddamn wrestled each other.
I remember some of these fucking lunatics that I was in a locker room with a few times 30 years ago,
much less somebody that was featured on national television from the company that primarily
employs O'Kogan whenever he is employed gamefully.
It's just ridiculous.
He wrote down.
notes and he memorized
them and he fucked it up
at first. That's why he's fucking it up every
time until somebody's got the daggum
balls to tell him to his face. Hey, you're
fucking his guy's name up.
Mate Welles since Shelton just
added him.
You know, I wonder if he's looking, going, what's the fuck?
What's he mad at me for?
I was talking about him.
I think they should cut promos on them every week on
AEW TV. It would help the ratings.
If you knew every week someone was going to cut a promo on
Hulk Hogan and you knew that every week there was going to be like an awkward several days
where Hulk Hogan doesn't comment on it, but everyone knows he knows about it.
That's a ratings winner.
But that's the news of some sort.
We are now going to return to WWRWA on Netflix.
Jim, we talked about the opening segment, the, again, an all-timer from Paul Heyman
in terms of a promo confronting Jay Uso, but that wasn't the end of the story.
That's right. Let's talk about the match that it's set up for the World Heavyweight
title between Seth Franklin Rollins and Jay Uso, which was the main event with, and of course,
Seth had Paul and Braun. You got to watch for the, they're the free birds in
Mid-South now. You got to watch just for these three. And Seth was trying very hard.
Jay Uso, as we've talked about, is not the same.
smoothest in the ring. They're trying to give him more time in this position, but it's a timing
thing with those, the blocking and the punching and the kick. It's just, it's a timing thing. But the
people love him. And he's trying his best. He's a, he's just a, a determined young man. And they
started hitting some false finishes and getting big pops out of it. Jay got the spear big pop on a
two count. And Seth hit a big superplex and most of a stomp, which the announcers kind of had to
call to. He didn't get all of it, but he got a big pop on the two count. And then Sammy's music
starts playing. And Sammy comes out and jumps off the railing and jumps Braun Breaker and runs
Braun into the post. And Seth is distracted. And that's when Jay hits a spear and goes to the top,
a splash and gets another two count and a big pop.
And both of them are selling and then Braun on the outside on the floor gets back up and spears Sammy.
And Seth goes down to help Sammy. Are you all right?
When Polly draws the referee, Bron Spears Jay on the floor.
And then they throw Jay in the ring.
And fucking Seth gets him and he stomps him in the ring.
And right as he hits the stump, like most lady in Omaha,
coming to the ring with a chair.
It's the cult of we finally got punk on this show.
We had two minutes left.
And punk just came out and just wore Braun and Seth out with the fucking chair.
We got a huge CM punk chant.
and the heels bailed and took off
and the baby faces were standing in the ring
staring at them and we went off the air.
So is that the equivalent of the Saturday night live episode
where they dropped the cow
where they said, how are we going to get out of this?
Well, fuck it.
Just send punk out for two minutes
to beat everybody up with a fucking chair.
Well, you know, the best people loved it.
The best Paul Heyman stuff doesn't ever finish.
never has a finish.
It's just chaos.
We'll see you next time.
All right.
I worked last time.
But yeah.
Yeah, that was yeah.
Did you see the debate?
Was it a debate or was it a meaningful exchange of thoughts between Gunther and Pat McAfee?
It was, you know, I don't know.
I didn't really like it.
You know, again, the whole pretending Michael Cole
was the greatest of all time thing, blow me.
That's the stupidest fucking thing.
Well, now, come, all you get,
the most preposterousous thing that you got out of this
was that they said Michael Cole was the greatest of all time.
That is a Hulk Hogan level lie.
But just the, the whole thing.
Pierce introduced, ladies gentlemen,
Pierce introduced McAfee and Gunther
so they could come in the ring and talk to each other face to face.
And Pat Maconeman.
He bless him, I'm telling him, he would have won high school debate instantly.
He prepares material and he gives speeches and he could run for office.
He puts the town over.
I mean, he, I'm telling you.
But this just went on and on.
And it's just people at some point talking to each other, talking about each other to each other,
phase, even though Gunther told him off at the end.
At first of all, McAfee has to be being paid by the Chamber of Commerce.
Because the speech about Omaha and nobody beats their meat, ladies gentlemen.
And they host the college baseball world series since 1950.
And he tells Gunther that both of them grew up idolizing the superstars.
and it's still a dream for me, but it's a job for you,
and you've got too comfortable.
And you're going to underestimate me on Saturday after all this whole soliloquy of thing.
And then Gunther cut right in his face and I love Gunther,
but you just got me in the right mood.
I promise you my full and undivided attention on,
I'm going to maul you, I'm going to choke you out until you drop like a wet towel.
and on Saturday only the grace of God can lift my arms off your throat.
And he just walked out.
But two things.
Number one, very, very, I'm just tired of people just talking endlessly to each other
about their shortcomings and the other guy has to just stand there.
And secondly, I believe at this point, Gunther has to kill him, doesn't he?
And he have to kill him?
Well, we'll discuss that.
Graveyard dead.
We'll discuss that with the preview of the pay-per-view
coming up in a little bit.
When you see McAfee in these segments,
and again, he knows what to say and how to say it
and when to say it to get the fans on his side,
he's really good at it.
Is it still worth him just being a commentator
for half the year,
or do you want him to be more of a part-time performer
of some sort during that time
just because of the...
No, but just because of...
you know, he's performing here on the mic.
We haven't seen him wrestle a match in a while.
I'm sure he'll be great. I'm sure he'll do a backflip
off the top rope, but he gets ready for it
the same way I go Logan, Paul, or any of these guys
would. You know,
what do you see as the pluses and minuses
of Pat McAfee as a commentator
versus as a regular
performer while he's there?
Well, hold on. Let's
not go from never having a match to even
regular performer, but just at this point
wrestling, I recall
a couple years ago, we said, boy, he did a
good job for his first match or his second matcher.
How many matches has he had at this point?
He maybe had three because two or three, yeah.
I don't remember a lot.
But I think that the phenom category there has probably been overtaken by Logan Paul
in terms of, holy shit.
Didn't McAfee, I think I mentioned this the other day on a show,
didn't he do a deal where he almost entered the Rumble last year,
but then creeped in and then was just,
scared with dirty looks and jumped out on his own or something like that.
He's been being portrayed as an announcer,
and yes, he got up to defend Michael Cole,
but then he got choked out.
I think they need to capitalize on the goodwill he has
with people liking him
and not completely make him look like
just a goddamn jack-allown.
off, but I don't think this is something where they need to say,
suddenly McAfee is going to step in after not having a match in a year or whatever
and having two matches at all just because he has played in the NFL
and is going to be competitive for 10 or 15 minutes with Gunther
unless they're just fucking crazy.
And I'm, I think that it ought to be hot and brief at the start.
for Pat, and then I think they ought to
cut Pat off and waltz him across Texas as the
big cat ought to say, or used to say,
and maybe let him try to come back and get some
and then shut him down and then fucking kill him
and have the referee stop it.
Well, that was the WWE Raw on Netflix.
There was lots of other stuff on there, too.
Becky Lynch and Lyra Valkyrie, but I don't know.
is it Valkyria?
Oh, God damn it.
And I know you didn't watch that, so that was wrong.
She is a bowl of oatmeal, is what she is with no sugar.
Just sitting there.
Jim, on the topic of WWE, let's quickly preview this coming weekend as we are
a recording's pay-per-view event, or a premium live event, backlash,
Backlash, 2025, which is what you feel when you realize how quickly they're doing the turnaround
on these pay-per-views.
Actually, it's more like reflux.
They ought to call it reflux.
Here are the official announced matches as of now.
Again, the pay-per-view is this weekend,
but there's always time and there's Smackdown.
For the Intercontinental Championship,
the champion Dominic Mysterio versus Penta.
You know, I saw this graphic, and I was thinking,
that's, I think, what they're going to do.
I don't know if they're going to do it right now,
but it wouldn't even hurt Dominic
if suddenly Penta swooped in and won the intercontinental title,
they may want Dominic to run with it because he,
you know, it was a great moment,
but it may be more in keeping with Dominic that he can't beat Penta
and Penta takes it and he's got something to elevate him
since he's a newcomer and then Dominic can try to fucking cheat him afterwards.
I don't know.
What do you think?
You keep your ear to the gray.
You're Dr. Lucha.
No, I'm not.
I am not Dr. Lucha.
Don't call me that.
What are the odds down in Guadalajara?
What are they saying?
I'm Dr. Lucha.
I'm going to steal Jamie Ward's car.
No, what they're saying is, I don't know if anyone's saying anything.
Obviously, the AAA relationship is there.
The judgment they are having their issues.
Well, I mean, who's the smart money on down there and the people that know these type of things?
Who do they think is going to win between you?
Pinta and Dominic.
The smart money's, you know, buying a new couch
and gonna relax.
I don't have an answer for you.
I have no prediction whatsoever.
I will be happy with any outcome
and surprised
as any fan would be.
I'll file out silently
and give you no trouble.
Jim, the next match
is a fatal four-way match.
Oh, Christ.
For the W.W.E. United States
Championship
the champion Jacob Fatu versus L.A. Knight versus Damian Priest versus Drew McIntyre.
Yes, and well, and they've got Drew in there, but there's been stuff going on with L.A. Knight and Priest on TV the last week or two that, again, they're, because they're all interconnected, they're holding each other down.
that Drew and Fatu are the stars of this.
LA Knight keeps getting hung up and something with,
I don't know,
the combination to me,
hmm,
I'm less excited about seeing this
than I would be about seeing two singles matches,
possibly involving the members of this.
Damien Priest becomes less and less interesting to me by the week.
I think Jacob Fahoo has to win.
Yeah.
Or at least retain.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But hopefully Drew will get back in the mixture of someone else on an individual basis.
He's best when he's one-on-one.
Not to say it necessarily applies to this match,
but do you think there should be a thought about turning L.A. night heel
because of how many baby faces they have and who they have?
would you get more value out of him right now as a heel?
Or should he stay a baby face?
Well, at this point, I don't know anybody would notice because they're cheering for everybody,
but while they're still cheering for him, maybe he could come out and, you know,
just drop some baby face on their head and they'd cheer that.
And then he could lick his finger and point in the air and they'd go L.A. night.
And he might get closer to the top of the card at this point.
I'd just like to see him drop more meaningful people on their heads than the ones
that he's been allowed to drop.
Well, Jim, the next match,
Gunther versus Pat McAfee.
Well, and as I said earlier,
I hate to chew my food twice,
but then again, if they're listening on YouTube
because they have short attention spans,
yes, I think you've got to protect
McAfee's standing as a former professional athlete
and a full-grown adult man
and not just make him look like a fucking,
Paul E. for heaven's sake, physically,
begging off from people.
But he can't be competitive
over the long run.
Open hot, give him a flurry
where he surprises Gunther,
let Gunther shut him down and waltz him across Texas again.
And then comes the big comeback,
but then Gunther shuts him down
and he just, without even choking him out,
he just beats him brutally.
until the referee says,
fuck, you just don't do this anymore.
You're going to fucking hurt him and just stops the whole goddamn thing.
And then somebody else comes out to intervene that hopefully might be his next long-term program.
And McAfee looks like a warrior that went out there and tried,
but how can you blame a guy that's only had two matches in his life
and hadn't wrestled in a year and a half or two of you,
however long it's been for not being able to fucking,
hang with this big fucker and he cheated.
And the son was in McAfee's eyes.
Whatever. He tried, but
Gunther made good on his promise and
you know, also is a goddamn badass.
How long should it go? If you're saying Guthr's
going, how long?
Well, it depends on how much
goddamn, as we used to say, Marcel Marceau, they put in it, where they
want to sell that Gunther's
walking around and fucking
in charge of him and denigrating him and humiliating him and all that stuff.
But if they're having a 15-minute match bell to bell
and McAfee's not been selling or bloody for the last five minutes of it,
something the fuck is wrong.
Jim also announced for backlash for the women's intercontinental championship,
the champion Lyra Valkyria versus Becky Lynch.
you know Becky Lynch is over and the people like her and she can talk and she's got the oomph and the enthusiasm
and I see our girl lyric there trying she don't she doesn't have like a happy face she looks like she's got an earnest but sometimes confused face on from what I've seen
but I don't see people jump it up and down for her.
Do you, the birds of prey or birds of war entrance outfit?
And it just, she's not connecting.
I don't, I don't see it.
Do you?
Do you see it, Brian?
I thought the promo on Raw, she got a better reaction coming out
than I thought she was going to get.
And she had a couple good lines, but she's still figuring out her way.
Becky Lynch, obviously, is very secure in being Becky Lynch.
who do you think is going to win?
I would go for Becky Lynch.
The main event?
For the undisputed WWE championship,
John Sina, the champion,
versus Randy Orton.
Well, I think,
I mean,
it's hard not to think that John Sina
will retain here since he just won the goddamn thing, right?
and what would they do for the rest of the fucking year?
Oops.
So they've done as good a job as they can of talking them into the building on this thing.
And Randy's are coyote him a couple times or whatever.
But I think we know what Randy looks like and he's still,
he's been having great matches when,
he's put in a position to, you know,
and John's was more about the drama of the moment
and the story and the whole thing at WrestleMania
than what he looked like at his athletic prime,
we still may not have been the equal of Danny Hodge.
So they're going to have a smart match.
It's going to be very professionally done in most aspects.
The question is, will John be able to
keep his end of the fucking deal up here
with, you know, how he looked at
WrestleMania, but not that much of the story involved.
You see what I'm saying?
So that's going to determine what,
how good the match is.
And some way or another,
I would believe Sina would still be champion
on the other side of it.
When should Cody Rhodes reappear?
Hopefully quickly.
Unless he's,
been in a severe fucking helicopter wreck.
That may be a believable story the way things are going these days.
Where the fuck is he?
After he, doesn't he have to come out and say, you know, I'm sorry, I fucked up.
Why did I fall for that?
That type of thing.
Or something to mitigate.
See, those are sounds that I just make now.
when I don't have English words to convey my frustration.
Well, those are the matches that we have so far, five matches for a pay-per-view this weekend.
It's better than 13 of them, though, isn't it?
Well, don't worry.
In the long run.
There'll be nice 45-minute breaks in between each match for you to go outside and get some popcorn and do everything else.
But, Jim, you know, you said something very interesting.
You brought up sounds, interesting sounds, and you were making some and, you know, there's some over you.
hear, there's some over there.
They're everywhere. The sound
isn't the issue. The
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issue. You need something to properly
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in a comfortable and
easy to own fashion.
I'm saying a bunch of things because
you're about to tell everyone about Raycon.
The delivery of the sound
is more important
than the existence of the sound.
If it's sound you can't hear because it's not
being delivered to your ears,
then that sound for you is no good.
But if the sound that you hear is being delivered to your ears by these earbuds right over here,
well, then happy day.
That's what you meant to say, wasn't it, Brian?
Happy, happy day.
Yes.
Happy day.
So, folks, the Raycon, everyday earbuds, father's day is coming up,
Mother's Day is coming up.
If your grandparents are still alive, they may want to listen to these things.
Maybe they're deaf and you've got to get the sounds real close to.
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Well, just stick these in grandma and grandpops' ears and turn it up to 11 and watch them jam out
to some fucking Zeppelin man.
Maybe not up to 11.
You know, I did that to this old lady at DeMall and her eyes just rolled back in her head and she
fell over into the fountain.
He didn't do that to anyone.
And if he did do it, it wasn't with Raycon.
It was with Brand X.
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And of course, they fit comfortably in your ear.
they play the sounds that you want to hear, whether they are talk or music.
Jim Raycon.
Old lady in the fountain.
You know, the most important things about the Raycons are not the 32-hour battery life,
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on 10 minutes of charging.
It's not even the active noise cancellation, which is often difficult from what they say
to find that such an accessible father-friendly price point for Father's Day as the RACONs.
But none of those things are the most important.
The most important thing, you know what the most important thing is, Brian?
They're not made out of stainless steel like some of the other brands.
They're plastic.
You know why that's important?
Because you've heard on the news,
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Or sometimes one of those hoverboards.
This has not been seen on any news that I've seen.
If you don't want to chase a son of a bitch on a hoverboard to get your earbuds back,
get rid of the stainless steel earbuds and all the metal earbuds and go for these
Racon everyday plastic earbuds because then when the guy holds the,
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And they come in a spectrum of vibrant colors
to match dad's vibe.
I thought it was actually mom's vibe,
but I guess when the kids found it,
their mom said, that's dads.
Anyway,
If your dad is not liking his Raycons,
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If you try to take moms' bide back,
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But right now,
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off. Can you get a pair of earbuds where one is in one color and one's in the other color?
I wonder if you could do that. For some people, you know, would that have that skin disease?
What is it? Vidaligo? You might need a different color on one side of your head.
Okay. Problems for another day, but for today and tomorrow, Raycon, for good sounds in your head.
Yes.
by Raycon.com slash JCE.
Jim, before we move on and get some classic topics and some questions,
I have to ask you only because a ton of listeners have sent it over.
Have you seen the phony press release going around,
purported to be from AEW banning you?
Yes. Yes. Yes.
And it's cute.
And somebody, you know, mocked it up and everything.
and to where it looks like one of their press releases,
but a bunch of people,
like you said, retweeted it or circulated it or whatever that they,
like that it was real and that they were buying,
oh, what are you going to say about this, Jim?
Not in a mocking way.
They were on my side.
Like, how dare they?
But no, it's not real.
And there were certain subtle clues.
I don't know if you have the copy in front of it.
there were certain subtle clues that it was a parody.
I have it here, yes.
Would you kindly read a few of the first lines
to where we can stop when the first,
the first potential clue may have come up
that all is not as it appeared?
AEW, for internal release only,
confidential.
Once again, for internal release only,
Jacksonville,
April 30th, 2025.
All elite wrestling has always been about inclusivity,
passion, and elevating the art of professional wrestling.
Over the years, we have extended 14 cordial invitations.
Okay, stop! Wait a minute.
First of all, the way they're starting is it sounds like a press release
for a goddamn, you know, Walmart.
And secondly, within the first of,
first line. If anybody's
bothering to read this, they say
we have extended 14
cordial invitations to
Jim Cornett
over the time period.
Go ahead. I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt, but there was
it. That was the first red
flag in the first sentence.
Over the years, we've extended
14 cordial invitations
to legendary wrestling
personality Jim Cornett to attend A.E.
events, all of which he has publicly declined.
While we respect differing opinions, Mr. Cornett's persistent public criticism of
A.W., women's wrestling, and wrestlers of smaller stature, combined with his extreme
political views expressed on social media and on his podcasts, has made it clear that his
presence would be disruptive to our community and values. Effective immediately, Jim
Cornett is no longer welcome at AEW events. He is no longer welcome to any place he's never
been before. Let me stop for one moment before I read the rest of it, because someone in the Cult of
Cornett commented, they said, how could they ban someone who has no interest in attending?
And I'm like, well, they did ban Linda Hogan. Remember that play early on? But let's just go back to
this. We remain focused.
on delivering world-class wrestling to our fans.
I'm thrilled to announce that our upcoming pay-per-view,
double or nothing on May 25th,
promises to be possibly the greatest wrestling pay-per-view of all time
in all of history.
Adding to the excitement,
President Donald Trump will be in attendance,
joining fans for what will be an unforgettable night.
We can't wait to see you there.
And bingo.
Tony Khan, president, all elite wrestling.
There was the second red flag that this was a fucking rib.
Number one, that he would actually be there.
Number two, that of all people, that he would not be somebody that that crowd would ban.
But people bought that.
Like it was, because it looks nice on the graphic.
And it says for official internal.
use on it's it that was the same sticker they used to have on the vibrators at spencer's gifts for external use only
well again i think the thing that was a little problematic was how many people seemingly believed it
and sent it over like what are you guys going to say about this yeah people they do they gloss over
they don't read with with attention they just kind of scan for words
they like. I don't know what, how would you not see that instantly?
Well, Jim, let's move on from, where were we? Let's move on from there.
From there to the next place. And let's go over here now. Jim, speaking of AEW, a couple of
AEW stars, or I guess more than a couple, have been in the news, let them we go first, on location
across the world, to Mount Everest, where Darby Allen,
who has obviously not been on TV for a while
is apparently on his climb
to the top of the mountain.
He's on the side of Mount Everest
is where he is apparently from this video.
And he didn't look like he was too far from the top.
That didn't look like a giant mountain
in front of him when he pointed and said,
and there's Everest.
And the premise of this video
that he put out was,
was that he took his skateboard with him.
He's climbing a fucking giant mountain, Mount Everest, the mountain.
Every piece of equipment, every bite of food, every ounce of beverage to drink,
every vital piece of life-saving equipment that they take it.
He took a skateboard.
And he did, whatever they call the thing, where he,
stands on the skateboard and then he jumps up and the skateboard flips over one
resolution and then he lands back on it again.
Kick flip.
Thank you.
Oh,
skateboard person.
Yes.
And you're one of the borders.
And he did that and then they spent 30 seconds trying to fumble with a watch that'll tell
him how many feet they are at ear with the elevation.
Disney. There it is. The world record
for the highest
kickflip ever done.
You know, if he'd
drop down on his fucking knees, they'd
give him a chocolate milk in him. I bet
he'd got the world record for the highest one of
those too. Because who else
is taking a goddamn skateboard
to fucking Mount Everest?
The previous record, nine feet.
Yeah.
The guy in Delray Beach,
Florida.
What?
of this again he's got a unique charisma and a willingness to do stupid things with his body
but then again since he's found this very nice billionaire son to pay him a lot of money to do
those things he fared better than he probably ever would have in life or ever should have
but when you think about it,
this scrawny, emaciated
under, fuck,
he's an underachiever,
Darby Allen,
in terms of trying to better himself.
He's an overachiever
in terms of wanting to never grow up
and be a perpetual Peter Pan
and do stupid childish shit all his life.
He's an overachiever there.
But he's an underachiever
as far as from his own lips,
he slept in his car,
and was homeless and didn't make any money
and he gets in a business that he honestly, probably 98% to 99% chance
he was never going to make any money in.
And he finds a sucker to pay him literally millions of dollars
over the course of however long he's been there from the start,
five years, six or whatever it is, to do a job that he clearly kind of like,
or he wouldn't be fucking doing all that shit.
And then he goes and fucking climbs a mountain
where he could be killed and not lose that job,
but lose his life and lose the benefit of the job,
even though the sucker is willing to pay him
a ridiculous amount of money to climb goddamn Mount Everest.
That's why I have no sympathy for this guy whatsoever
because he's not only an idiot,
he's an underachiever professionally.
in his chosen profession
he puts more emphasis and importance
on ass and off
and jumping a toilet seat over a fucking mobile home
than he does
trying to get in the ring and draw some money
as strange as that concept may be
for the company that's paid him millions of dollars
when no other wrestling promotion
in the world would have done this
he's off on a side of a mountain with a skateboard
I think he's a fucking moron.
Should a heel come and I run in and cost him getting to the peak?
Oh, that would be good.
But how would you...
And then he just slides down the mountain?
Well, no, that's the thing.
You would have to be able to see the guy coming
because he'd be on the top of a mountain
and you'd be able to see the guy coming
or see the encampment.
But you know what?
That doesn't stop him on their TV.
So let's say, okay, the other side of the mountain
has where the heel has been.
climbing up. Yeah, Wardlow. We haven't seen
Wardloon forever. He was climbing the mountain.
Wardlow's already sitting up
on top. There, and
he's turned into a Yeti.
Hold on now. We've taken a
No, no, no, no. No, he's been up there for a while.
He, you know, he ran
out of fucking cartridges from
Harry's, and so he's all
hairy, and
he's got nothing but torn raggedy
skins of
pelts of elks and things for
fucking to cover his crotchal area and his private parts,
and he's reverted back into a goddamn primitive mindset
because of lack of human companionship.
And Darby climbs up,
and there's Wardlow and Wardlow power bombs.
Darby off Mount Everest and Darby falls
from one pay-per-view all the way to the next pay-per-view.
You see the start of the fall on fucking double or nothing,
and then he doesn't land until all in.
See, I just booked him something else.
It's a hell of a cliffhanger.
It's a hell of a cliffhanger right there.
I'd see what you did there, cliffhanger.
I saw footage from Mount Everest not too long ago.
It was just people trying to stay in place while a big windstorm.
On top of the mountain's happening, you just see dead bodies and garbage flying by.
And I'm like, why would anyone want to do that?
But Darby said, me first.
Me first.
Again, this guy slept in his fucking car and was homeless.
and gets a job making all this money
and wants to
to fucking go climb a fucking mountain.
You'd be able to pry me out of that locker room
with goddamn with a crowbar.
I'd have a cot there.
Yeah, I'm not going to fuck this up.
What do you do after this?
He's a juvenile delinquent.
He doesn't give a shit.
What is he going to do after this
to top this?
Obviously not go and get his real estate license.
Have you seen these fucking maniacs
who like climb the Empire State Building
and buildings bigger than that
without any sort of protective
apparatus and they get to the top and they're holding a stick
so they can film themselves but
they're balancing on nothing it's the scariest shit
have you seen these things?
Yeah the human fly thing
but now they're like a Spider-Man or whatever
but yes they try to this is some
those people need to be under some type
of supervision from a state agency
and
that we need to pour more
resources, not less, into keeping an eye on various people.
Don't need to be out in fucking society running around unaccompanied.
Darby Allen is one.
At least they're with him on the mountain.
But I want, if the going gets rough, I wonder if one of those fucking
Sherpas he's traveling with is going to sling Darby over their shoulder and
carry him back down.
That's the good thing about Darby.
He's like 140 pounds.
Yeah, but the gravity.
is worse up there because of the goddamn height,
don't you?
That's the science of the lambs.
Well, the Sherpa, that is not the science of the lambs.
This is a different science.
Yeah, the mountain lambs.
The mountain lambs?
Mountain lambs.
Where do you think the Sherpas get their lamb from?
Lamb chops and lamb milk.
They get them from the mountain lambs.
I heard they got great gyros at the top of Mount Everest
from all those mountain lambs.
Well, see.
All right.
Yeah.
Jim, another AEW clip that's been going around from some of the listeners,
and they wanted to get your thoughts on it.
From Collision, which obviously we don't watch, it's Collision,
FTR won a tag match and had a confrontation with Daniel Garcia,
who we have not watched in a while.
I think he was on something not too long ago, but got re-signed.
There were rumors that WWE really wanted him, so Tony had to have him.
and then he was given the TNT title, he's been on collision,
he lost, that's where we saw him, he lost to Adam Cole at the pay-per-view
in the Battle of the Twink Division.
Yeah, and they put him on collision where he's pretty much hidden.
But did you see this clip because it's going around?
Yeah, it's going around like the measles is going around.
I swear to you, I can see it happen into the WWE office
when they would hear a contract was up, but they would,
Yeah, to slip him some information, tell him you got an internal memo.
We want Garcia.
We'll pay any price for Garcia to run Tony's talent bill up.
Because there is, yes, he did fucking go to great lengths to sign this sucker.
And he has produced nothing.
Because what the fuck did anybody expect?
It was another one of these, yeah, a bunch of the guys have told.
Tony how great Garcia is because he's such a nice kid.
And he really works hard.
And so Tony gave him who knows how much fucking money,
not to go to a place that would have set this fucking emaciated little twink on a bench
a long time ago.
He has been getting a push in AEW for what,
from the time they brought him in,
just to put him on national TV at all at that stage of his career.
He's been there two or three years, right, from start.
He's not one pound heavier.
He's gotten not one more muscle that shows.
He's goddamn not got anything about his presentation that makes him other than a bland, indie fucking guy.
He tries on his promos to show that he can recite these lines that he's written for himself.
but what is that accent?
That ain't a New Jersey accent.
What is that odd accent he has?
Well, he's from Buffalo, New York,
but I don't know if that's necessarily a Buffalo accent.
I didn't know they had a Buffalo accent.
The point is he sounds funny,
and when you hear him on promos,
you can't really take him seriously.
Well, no, but anyway,
at least you can point at Kyle,
our friend Kyle over there,
who've got on goddamn, his head cut off
and put on Lex Lugar,
body. Since he's been there, hadn't even been a year. He's fucking must live in the gym.
He's trying at least something, all these odd outfits and changing his look and upgrade
he's a better looking athlete. Danny Garcia is a fucking bland looking indie guy that you could
see anywhere. And that's apparently what he's going to fucking stay. But so the point is
FTR now that have just turned heel and got Stokely as a manager and they've stabbed their
best friend Edge in the back. They win a tag team match and they're standing in the ring and
suddenly Garcia's music plays. And he comes out to the ring with a crowbar in one hand and a
microphone in the other hand. So you see, he's confused. He's somewhat confused as to
what he's going to do here, so he's, he's coming and prepared.
He could, it could be either way.
And he gets in the ring and,
again, FTR, Stokely gets in front of FTR.
That's the fucking chicken shit manager.
Bobby, stand, step back.
I'll deal with the rock and roll.
But they're cowering back from a guy with a fucking crowbar.
And the first thing that Garcia said, you know,
I wanted to come out here and hit you, beat you with this crowbar.
And he phrased it in such a way that everybody immediately was let down,
but they knew I'm not is going to be next.
I wanted him to say, but then I realized you'd kick this shit out of me anyway.
That would he, what he should have said.
I'm not going to do that.
He still got the crowbar in his hand.
But then he did a thoughtful,
dissertation on why he needs answers from them about what they did.
And at one point he said, but I'm not going to come out here and have a therapy
session with you guy.
Well, that's what you're doing.
You're coming out pacing around meandering, being mumble-mouthed and fucking
limber-tailed about every goddamn thing, mush mouth.
While these three on FTR side, the guys got a crowbar.
either take him down and take it away from him or get to fuck out of the ring because he's not holding you.
Why are you standing there?
While he's just talking with a fucking crowbar, just leave or do something about it.
So he finishes this goddamn dissertation and says, well, I guess I'm going to have to beat the answers out of you.
So it's going to happen whenever the fuck it's going to happen.
What did he say next week is either one of the three of you,
I won a match and I'll beat you up.
And then he got out of the ring and walked away.
And they stood there and listened to the whole thing like they were petrified.
They were on their face.
They were terrified.
Oh, he's such a menace.
We'll just stand here and listen to everything he has to say as he pours his heart out
with his thought-provoking pussy speech.
they all talk like
pussies
all the baby faces are
pussies
well the heels
were hiding behind
Stokely Hathaway's
because all the fans are
pussies
they well all all the wrestlers
are pussies
because all the fans are
pussies
well are you excited to see
where that goes
the FTO Stokely Hathaway
no I'm not
I'm used to
I'm a person who is
quite accustomed
to being threatened
in various
ways. Threatened with violence, threatened with legal issues, threatened with this and that and the other
thing over the course of 40-something years. It needs a good threat, a good, believable, goddamn threat
with some serious repercussions on a television program to get me interested, not, well, I'm going to
talk for a while and then I may or may not beat you up with this crowbar.
That's not a threat.
That's boring television.
Well, Jim, another clip that a lot of the listeners have been sending over to the point
where someone had to get banned from our YouTube page because he kept spamming every video
demanding you watch it.
Is a carrying cross interview that I believe is from the post show or something after
WrestleMania, something after WrestleMania that he wasn't on.
except for the run in during his match,
during the AJ Styles match, that is.
Did you get a chance to finally see this?
I saw that yes, because you recommended the clip,
and I have questions.
First of all, hell of a promo.
If he did anything like that on television,
he might get over.
But secondly, is he still employed after he did that promo?
Is he still working there?
Or is it one of those things where it was on YouTube
after the show and,
Nobody was even watching it from the office.
Well, again, I presume it was on a post-show thing.
I saw Sam Roberts there.
I believe he does the company, the in-house, like, recap show.
So it may just be a podcast, I don't know, but either way, he still works there.
If he's still working there, then somebody said, okay, do it.
But the whole promo was, again, he's supposed to be reacting to what happened with AJ
Alan, as he calls him, you know, blew it, you lost, you blew it.
You didn't do what I told you, blah, blah, blah.
That was the point of the thing, but he, he veered off into, he was doing the thing where he
was pissed off anyway.
It was trying to be punk, but he didn't have the muffins.
He had scarlet, so he had some buns, but he didn't have the muffins.
But he then veers off into, but, you know, advice.
Bill Goldberg gave me.
He said, be a good soldier.
Well, I was a good soldier and they released me.
You know what being a good soldier gets you right here?
Get your time cut.
And you try to pitch ideas.
There's Scarlet value.
You see, he had to get her in there.
Scarlet had a great idea.
And they said, well, that's too good of an idea.
That's for those guys, not you.
And basically vented as a
wrestler would if they were pissed off
and had their pop-eye moment where they couldn't take it anymore
and how they've been mistreated and their times cut
and or they've been marginalized or subliminated
or whatever the case may be as a shoot promo type of thing.
And then he said so and if that's all in further,
you know, the guy in the suit in the truck, fuck you.
And he stood up and stormed off.
While Scarlett had been there,
the camera was lingering on him.
And she's looking up with the fake fear like, oh my God, I can't believe you're saying this.
Or maybe that's the range of emotions that she has on her face.
I'm not sure.
He called himself Killer Cross.
Called himself Killer Cross.
But it obviously was either okayed or nobody gave a shit.
But the whole thing was, I'm going to give you a viral moment.
Well, I guess he got his viral.
moment, but how does, what is the purpose of it?
I think I'm trying to think back of who would have approved that.
Yeah, it would make the company look like assholes.
Or does it matter anymore?
Because they're just all going to make all kinds of money anyway.
I guess the question is, can he do a promo like that with that kind of intensity,
that length without breathing, just shooting out words and everything's making sense and it's great.
If he's not really personally insulted.
by the subject.
Yeah.
If he's working.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what we don't know.
Maybe that's the problem.
That was really how he felt,
but the other stuff he's been doing
is not really how he feels
and I don't blame me.
I ain't feeling it either, dog.
Well, hopefully more of that
from carrying cross on these.
But I hope is this other guy now,
he's been exiled to a Pacific Island
because he wouldn't stop about this thing
is he cross his press agent or what?
No, it's just, listen, if it's nonstop on every video,
and by that point, I hadn't even seen the clip.
And then people are like, this guy's,
when people start writing to me to say that someone else is being a jerk,
I'm like, oh, this really must be a big jerk.
And, uh, well, you know, we gave him what he,
we shouldn't have done that thing.
We should just said, well, we would have talked about it if you hadn't have been so rude.
No, he said, uh, he was going to send you a bunch of cards to sign.
So we'll do it out.
happens. I'll wait for that
package. I can add some more cards to the
vault sale.
Jim, let's get to some
classic stuff before we get to some questions.
I have a file
here. This is from the files, ladies and gentlemen,
where I go through... I was about to say you're not a
carpenter. Where were you on the
third? No, this is
from the wrestling news files, the archives
of the wrestling news, wrestling review,
wrestling monthly, the Rings Wrestling, Wrestling,
major league wrestling programs, and so much more.
This is the George Grant file.
Oh my God.
Now, I'm sure none of the listeners have any idea who George Grant...
Well, some of them do, but a lot of them don't.
The younger ones probably don't.
We do have one of the smarter historical audiences.
That is true, but we do also have a lot of young wrestling fans listening.
I have here...
George Grant, by the way, we left...
that dangling was one of the imitation gorgeous George's that popped up in the business,
especially since George died unfortunately early at an early age in 1963.
But a lot of people didn't get the memo.
George Grant was still doing a gorgeous George ripoff in the mid to late 60s, I think,
and then later on became some type of bogus evangelist.
Am I correct in that?
Well, this is a really interesting file.
Something here is a photo that was sent back.
It still has the National Enquirer stuff from 85.
George Grant versus Tony Nero.
I have a letter here to Norm Kiteser,
Pro Wrestling Enterprises, Mancato, Minnesota from Mark J. Lieberman,
from Yucinville, New York, December 12, 1982.
Dear Norm,
Enclosed is an article that appeared in the Sunday,
December 12, 1982 edition of our local newspaper, the Poughkeepsie Journal.
Written by a Marshall Fine of the Gannett News Service,
it's all about the wrestling career of George Grant,
who wrestled as Gorgeous George.
I know for a fact that the first and original Gorgeous George was George Wagner,
who passed away in the early 1960s.
This Grant character did wrestle,
but not as the original Gorgeous George.
But yet, as this article is written, this grant is taking the full credit as being the one who made the moniker Gorgeous George famous, and I feel this is wrong.
Being Mr. Wagner is dead, I feel someone should set the Poughkeepsie Journal and the Gannett News Service straight on the facts as to who was the original Gorgeous George.
In the best interest of professional wrestling, I also feel that the one of the one of the one of the one of the original George.
I also feel that the one organization to best accomplish this is your pro wrestling enterprises.
Yeah.
Please send them a letter stating the facts, and I will pay the postage for the letter.
Please find the stamp enclosed.
Yours truly Mark J. Lieberman have here the article.
Let me just see if the stamp is still here.
And I have the self-addressed.
By the way, I know a Mark Lieberman and it can't possibly be the same one.
Mark Lieberman, if that is you, send me an email saying that's you, and I will talk about
the incredible coincidence.
Here's the article from the paper December 12th, 1982 by Marshall Fine.
That's the thing.
Not only did this fucking guy do that and told people that he was the gorgeous George,
but when he died, newspapers ran the obituary like he was the goddamn gorgeous George.
In the wrestling ring of life, Gorgeous George has.
a stranglehold on sin and a hammerlock on salvation.
But gorgeous George Grant, 58, a pioneer of professional wrestling, now spends his time in the
preacher's pulpit, grappling with the wave of godlessness he sees overwhelming America.
Here's a quote, I was saved in 1965, Grant says, in his growling drowl.
after being resurrected in 1963.
I kept wrestling and promoting until 1973
when I started preaching full-time.
The last few years, I was just using wrestling as a means to make a living
while I was studying and preparing to go into full-time ministry.
At his peak in the early 1950s, however,
Gorgeous George was a gloriously outrageous villain,
one of professional wrestling's first national stars.
He was a mincing pretty boy,
with long bleached locks and flowing silk robes.
My image was true, Grant says.
I was brutal, sadistic, self-centered, and vain.
I would beat a guy mercilessly,
and then prance around the ring to aggravate the crowd.
A native of a small Texas town northeast of Dallas,
Grant learned to wrestle while working at the carnival.
He joined at 15.
He dropped out of high school, then joined the Navy,
During World War II, when he was discharged in 1946, he entered the professional wrestling ranks.
Although Grant was one of the first professional wrestlers to adopt an attention-getting gimmick,
it was more an accident than a plan.
One of the first.
It was more an accident than a plan that vaulted him into the national limelight.
It started by accident, Grant says.
I intended to use this sissy gimmick for two or three days,
and it just exploded.
After that, some guy got a hold of me
and started telling me stories
about how I was going to make lots of money.
I did too, and he stole most of it.
At that point, I hadn't even bleached my hair.
That didn't come for about six months.
I just had long hair,
but in 1947, long hair was an absolute novelty.
Let me stop right here.
Was it that hard in,
Because this was what year,
1982?
82, December 82.
Okay.
You would have had to have not done any fact-checking whatsoever.
Now, I know that, again,
the average person on a street didn't know that Gorgeous George Wagner
died in 1963 and all of his trials and tribulations and et cetera.
But I guess people just,
this guy accepted this guy's,
story without even going to the library to check out whatever happened to Gord's George
or any contemporary newspaper. If he was in the newspaper business, he could go down to the
morgue and look at the files. How do you not fact check when somebody claims to be a former
celebrity that they don't really look at anything like otherwise than they have
bleached hair or used to have bleached hair? I don't even know if he was still bleaching it then.
you see what I'm saying here
eventually wrestling
lost its sparkle for Grant
the expansion of television
changed the sport from a national
phenomenon to a regional one
each territory had its own
stars and even its own
world champions
Grant discontinued the gorgeous
George persona in 1963
and quit wrestling altogether
in 1972
and buried the body in the desert
That was the year Gorgeous George died, I believe.
You know, the bad thing is he didn't quit that gimmick in 1963.
He did it all through the 60s.
And he didn't even, at least Gorgeous George Jr. called himself Gorgeous George Jr.
I'm convinced we're in the last days.
I've reached a point of utter disgust.
There's a growing ungodliness in this country because we've gotten so far away from the precepts
of our founding fathers.
People need salvation.
Now, wait a minute, hold on here.
He's mixing his metaphors.
The founding fathers wanted nothing to do with organized religion.
That's why they wrote it out of the Constitution.
He's thinking of the real rules you've got to follow.
The Ten Commandments.
You know, the stuff that says, thou shalt not lie.
Well, I'm moving to the next thing here in this file.
here is an article. What is this from? Does it have a date? No date. Gorgeous 3. Oh, wow, this is coming, this is coming close to home. Pastor John Michael of Mancato's Grace Baptist Church thinks George Grant might be getting a bum rap.
Though Grant was not the original Gorgeous George, the wrestler turned evangelist, did perform during the 50s and the 60s as gorgeous George.
and Michael believes Grant did not intend to misrepresent himself
when he spoke in Mancato
November 7th through 12th.
Let me just see if this is in order here
because, oh yeah, this follows the article
Great Imposter.
But wait a minute, isn't that like saying yes,
isn't that like saying even though he impersonated a famous person
at one time,
he didn't mean anything by it?
Yeah, and here's...
So here's an article...
Here's the whole paper, actually.
November 16th, 1982,
the free press man, Cato, Minnesota.
Gorgeous George by Michael Larson, the managing editor.
Ever since I started in evangelism,
I've carried a whistle.
If someone starts talking in tongues while I'm preaching,
I want to see if it's real.
If it's the Holy Spirit,
a blast in the ear won't hurt him at all.
Oh, good.
I never heard that before.
If it's the Holy Spirit, you can just blow whistles in people's ears?
That's true whether they tell whether they're faking it or not.
What in the world is going on with these people?
Trying to see where it actually starts with him.
Here's the, I guess the original article, Pro Wrestler Coming to Grace.
George Grant, known to professional wrestling fans as the blonde, carefully coiffed, gorgeous George.
I think it's clothed.
We'll be in Mancato next week.
at the Grace Baptist Church 6th Avenue and Lynn Street.
Grant will tell his life story during the church's 25th anniversary meetings that begin 7 p.m.
Wait a minute, he'll tell whose life story?
At the 25th anniversary show for them,
a carnival wrestler introduced Grant to wrestling when he was 15 years old.
After serving in the Navy during World War II,
he began his career as gorgeous George,
a villain quickly recognized by his colorful robes and golden bobby-pins.
worn in his long blonde hair.
His talks next week
will tell how he came to change careers
in the mid-60s from pro-wrestler to gospel preacher.
So he came into town
traveling from church to church,
lying to people, claiming to be,
he was a pro wrestler,
but he claimed to be one of the most famous ever
when he was not.
He's talking about it.
He was impersonating a dead man
and then taking up collections from these people that he had just duped.
Well, I guess he's following the M.O. of every traveling preacher, but nevertheless.
Well, again, the person who sent in the original letter I read, I read here Mark Lieberman,
that was December 82, Pekipsey.
So here's the follow-up to that Mancato article, Great Imposter.
I saw stories on Grant in the Louisville paper that was on a wire service in a 7.
and knew it was bullshit, but go ahead.
By Michael Larson, great imposter, question mark.
Norman Kitzer of Mancato
and Gary Campbell of St. Peter
want to set the record straight on Gorgeous George.
Both have stepped forward to challenge evangelist George,
to challenge evangelist George Grant,
who bills himself as the former professional wrestler
Gorgeous George.
Grant was featured in a column here last,
week following his appearance at Mancato's Grace Baptist Church.
Here's a quote from Norm Kitzer.
While George Grant was a professional wrestler,
and it is a fact that the word gorgeous is an adjective,
which could be used to describe anyone,
gorgeousness being in the eye of the beholder,
and his first name is George.
He is not the wrestler who was internationally famous as gorgeous George
in the 40s and 50s.
That man was Gorgeous George Wagner, and he is the wrestler who headlined the major wrestling cards in Los Angeles, Chicago, New York, etc.
It was Gorgeous George Wagner, who became the top wrestling star on early television, and who starred in several movies, etc.
George Grant used his own name except for a short period of time during his career where he called himself Gorgeous George.
He was strictly an imitation of the more famous Gorgeous George.
who was an international star, and was soon exposed as such,
and returned to wrestling in preliminary matches,
as he had been for most of his career.
Wow.
While George Grant's religious work is to be commended,
he gives the impression, as did your article,
that he was once the internationally famous wrestler Gorgeous George.
He is not.
That man died in 1963.
Can you imagine if you are Norm Kiteser you run this pro wrestling enterprise
And this guy comes to your hometown?
He's in his hometown
Well besides it can you think of with all these churches
Here's that oh
He wasn't the guy he said he was
Well he seemed like such a good Christian
Well what's it say here who's this Campbell guy
Let me fold this over
Campbell brought in a copy of a Playboy magazine article entitled Gorgeous George M.D.
The article quotes from the publisher's preface to Gorgeous George's autobiography,
It was Gorgeous George who almost single-handedly transformed professional wrestling
from a sport to a spectacle, who ushered television out of the electronics laboratory and into the living room.
No one who has grown up in the unremitting
Hot House glare of the commercial tube
will ever be able to imagine how brilliantly
those first feeble sparks of video at home
illuminated the spirit of post-war America.
Yet even then, when a simple test pattern
was a miracle enough to command our rapt attention,
gorgeous George was special.
a pioneer in scarlet tights and golden ringlets.
He pranced and he preened his way across the barren plains of the American consciousness,
breaking the hard ground from which has since sprouted such unlikely and exotic fruit as Liberace,
Little Richard, Muhammad Ali, and Monty Rock the Third.
Get dancing, dancing.
The Playboy article describes George Raymond Wagner as a highly sophisticated New York cycle analyst
who traded in his clinical gown for an embroidered wrestler's cape
and transformed himself into the outrageous killer slash fruitcake.
I remember this now.
They wrote an article like Gorgeous George was really a fucking psychiatrist that on the side,
moonlighted to do this as a sociological experiment.
The author tells of a fascinating confrontation between gorgeous George and a policeman at Bellevue Hospital in New York City.
Wagner had finished dressing for a match at Madison Square Garden on March 7, 1950, when he was summoned by one of his patients at Bellevue.
Wagner, in flamingo silk shorts, Carmine tights, and long-flowing cape found himself blocked as he entered the hospital.
He tried to explain that he had to hurry quickly to see his patient and then return for his match.
For one tense moment, the careful equilibrium in which the separate characters of Dr. Wagner
and gorgeous George, and gorgeous George, have been maintained teetered wildly.
Then, in a flash, he slammed the patrolman to the floor with a deft flying scissors kick,
followed quickly
I gotta turn this
and it's stapled
God damn it
It's a real page turner
By a crushing
Spread Eagle Pounce
and a bruising half Nelson
The nurse's shrieks
brought a pair of burly black orderlies
Leaping into the fray
Only to be sent reeling
By a whirlwind barrage of rabbit punches
Locked by Rage
to his gorgeous George persona,
the caked psychiatrist
pranced wildly up and down
the corridors, delivering
head-shrinkers and
fairy mind waves to staff
members who tried to subdue him.
Nurses wept,
patients howled,
an alarm wailed out
over the intercom. Finally,
a flying squadron
of residents and
orderlies managed to pin the madman
and a drab straightjack
it enveloped the tattered remnants of his splendid costume.
It was Gorgeous George's final bout.
After the Bellevue match, Gorgeous George retired from both his professions
and opened a small bar and grill in Los Angeles.
In the decade before his untimely death at 48 in 1963,
the Playboy article relates,
he tended bar, worked on his autobiography,
is there a doctor in the ring?
And according to a source,
watched an awful lot of television.
So we started talking about George Grant.
Now this is other...
Playboy magazine did.
What year was that?
Does it have a year on it?
It does not mean.
Again, this is 82, but that's before this.
They did that article,
and I remember hearing about it
and seeing it or reading it at one point,
and I hadn't thought about it in a long time.
But yeah, and people bought that time.
Some people, oh, wow, I never knew that.
You know, it happened a lot.
Who am I thinking it?
Was it the Little Rascals?
Where, like, there was like a bullshit Spanky that died,
and it was a bullshit buckwheat.
There was a bullshit buckwheat.
There was a bullshit buckwheat.
Yeah.
And like, Spanky called him out,
because Spanky McFarlane was still alive.
And he's like, that's not buckwheels.
What the fuck?
I remember there was some bullshit Stan Lane.
Bull Ramos.
How about when one time there was a get-together at Slamers,
Vernalangdon's place,
and a bullshit Bull Ramos showed up.
And Victor Rivera wanted to fight him in the parking lot
because it was some guy saying he was Bull Ramos.
I don't know how they think they're going to get away with it,
but I guess some of them do for a while.
And by the way, the pictures here I have George Grant by Lil Al Vavasor.
Oh, well, you knew that was going to happen.
That's in here.
And then there's a couple more pictures of him.
He doesn't look too gorgeous in these shots from the 70s.
And then here's a little press write up and a photo.
for George Grant, 510, 216 pounds, Los Angeles, California,
and his tag team partner, Gypsy Joe Rosario, 511-218, Havana, Cuba.
He worked George Grant worked East Tennessee in the 60s for quite some time,
and I think he even may have had a brother at that point where they were a brother team.
I believe I have his record.
He put out like a vinyl record of his preachings or whatever, or his sermon,
or whatever it is.
But here it is from the files.
If a UFC fighter becomes a preacher, does that mean they give a sermon on the mount?
This pair could cause some of the other teams plenty of headaches, and it's an unusual combination.
See, if you don't agree.
George Grant was a one-time gorgeous George character when under the name gorgeous George Grant.
He was a success in his pursuit of the dollar in the grappling game, too.
because he decided to retire for a few years and spend some of his profits.
George might not have returned to the game as an active participant
if he had not run into Gypsy Joe Rosario.
This long-haired and whiskered individual
had that something that Grant knew was box office,
and he let himself be talked into forming a team
with the unpredictable Gypsy Joe.
And with Grant's poise and know-how
to keep Gypsy Joe from flying all over the arena
in pursuit of anything from a straw hat
to a pretty face.
George has welded as tough a tag team
as you can imagine.
Grant is sure and safe
with his sound wrestling fundamentals
but Rosario is so wild and unorthodox
that fans say that he doesn't know himself
what his next move will be.
This is an exciting pair to watch
don't miss their antics when they appear in your local arena.
Well, there it is a press write-up for Gypsy Joe.
And you know what?
That's another thing.
Not enough antics in the wrestling business these days.
We don't have antics like we used to.
When you would receive, you know, let's talk about Smoky Mountain just because
OBW, it's a little late in the game at that point in terms of how people communicated.
But when wrestlers would send you videos to come into Smoky Mountain,
did they usually write up like a like a one page in kfabe explaining who they are like what came
with the video usually some of them did unfortunately yes um i mean you know the guys
the guys who are professional would have an eight by ten picture of them looking halfway decent
and a sheet with their contact information and and maybe who had trained them or examples of places
they had worked and a videotape with highlights,
not two hours of shit with 30-minute long matches,
shot with a camcorder from the back of the gym
that nobody's going to fucking watch.
And they were trying.
It was the modern, more up-to-date version of, you know,
Stu Hart said, Bobby Fullner said,
if you called Stu Hart,
want to get booked in Calgary,
it's, send some pictures.
seen some pictures.
Like you can tell how you can work if you send pictures,
but that's what they had before video, right?
But it was an updated version of that.
But some guys, yeah, would go, I am,
and I saw this more again as time went on into the OVW era,
but, you know, I hail from the planet Neptune,
and I have landed on a spaceship,
and I am Gork, the destroyer, and or whatever,
or going into detail like I have worked with,
the following people or I've,
this was even better, I've worked on
shows with the following people.
And then they list a bunch
of names.
God damn, one time,
Stacey took a piss with Reba
McIntyre. We were
at Calhouns in Nashville,
Hendersonville, actually.
Or maybe Goodlettsville. I'm not sure what the
suburb is considered.
Then she went in the bathroom
and son of a bitch.
She came out of one stall and Reba
McIntyre came out of the other stall.
So Stace could put
on her resume that she once took a piss
with Reba McIntyre, but that doesn't really
tell you whether she's a good pisser or not, does it?
But so
yeah, so when they say I've worked on
shows with this name and that name
and the other name, I don't really think that's a
you know, goddamn clear
recommendation, but
yeah, you'd get a lot of that stuff.
All right, well, that was the
Pissing with Reba McIntyre
said with you on the show.
but you know Jim
well it is a you know it is an unusual
occurrence how many other people
can say that they they took a piss
just and listened to reba piss
at the same time there was
audio on this also because they were right
next to each other to conclude the
George Grant
slash bullshit bogus gorgeous George
from the file segment
what do you think of the way they morphed the history
the way they use his actual death
in 63 one says it was him
actually I guess they both
say it wasn't him.
The second guy...
What are they both saying?
Because the first guy was saying that George Grant was saying that in 1963, he stopped using
the gimmick when, in reality, Gorgeous George died.
The second guy was saying he had like the exact same background.
He left the business and he opened the bar in California.
Yes.
Well, and it was all bullshit because George Grant used the gimmick even after Gorgeous George
was dead because, as we said, not everybody saw the newspapers.
And the other thing at Gorgeous George did have a restaurant bar in the Los Angeles area before he died,
Gorgeous George's ringside, right?
Yeah, I got a bunch of stuff from it, allegedly.
Well, and allegedly, you know, that wasn't exactly a great financial success either.
So they're all just lying because in those days, in 1982, unless you were a wrestling fan
and knew even to go to the library of what to look for unless, you know, you were on the newspaper,
then there's some element, if you're a journalist, there's some element of integrity involved
and trying to fact check.
But if you were just a regular jackoff on the street, you couldn't readily check and see that
Gorgeous George was really dead.
So you might believe it.
But there's a little bigger burden of proof to be able to fool reporters and journalists.
But, you know, for a long time, it is, again, it happened for like the little rascals that's happened for famous people.
But with wrestling, it seems that it is a place where, like, con artists, outside car art, not even the internal ones.
Like, outside con artists say, you know what, I can lie my way in by saying I'm someone else.
Because, you know, there have been other, you know, the hangman Bruce Poe bands, obviously.
That great example.
Yeah.
You know, what was the other one?
The one from Canada.
Fuck, what was his name?
Oh, I can't remember the other guy's name now.
Oh, God.
There's always been these phonies, these complete phonies who had nothing to do with anything but want to pretend that they did.
But you know what?
Most of them have been, they haven't been tried to do it for great monetary gain.
They've been doing it because they were marks and they wanted their family or other people to believe that they were really somebody.
and they would do it that way rather than the con people who have misrepresented who they are that have gotten into wrestling or the money backers and the Olu Oliani's and people like that.
Nobody ever tried to impersonate a wrestler to actually make a lot of money at it.
Maybe the gorgeous George Grant was getting publicity for his preaching scam, but there was no money to be made by.
by making anybody in a business especially believe that you were somebody
because it wouldn't hold up.
But in the public, you could get attention and people would say,
oh, he's somebody.
Well, Jim, gorgeous George Grant had records,
and he had various paraphernalia pamphlets, who knows what.
But who knows if he really had a good storefront?
And who knows if maybe he had had a good online store with the
partner, maybe his life wouldn't have taken the twist and turns, which led him to
pretending to be the original Gorgeous George while saying he's also speaking the Word of God.
Or maybe, now on the other side of things, maybe that Gorgeous George could still be one of
the finest psychiatrists at Bellevue today if he'd had a proper storefront to sell his
psychiatry services and hadn't had to go across the world being a pro wrestler in his spare time,
sort of like a Batman and Bruce Wayne type of dual existence.
Well, either one.
You know, folks, if you just want a storefront.
Jeff Walton told me that was the original plan after Gorgeous George had his head shaved.
He was going to return and say that he was a doctor.
He was going to be a bald doctor as a baby face.
We never got to see it play out.
We never got to see that.
And you never got to see a storefront because we're talking about storefronts.
Shopify are the first.
people to help you with your storefront and they will come they'll bring bricks they'll bring
mortar they'll bring wheelbarrows and the hose all the stuff that mixes the cement up they will
they'll build that thing right on your front yard they will build you a storefront in about a day day
and a half depends on whether you want a window in it or not but once they build that storefront
a digital storefront well they will work with you they will help you it's you and them in this together
You and him against the world, kid.
No brick and mortar needed, although if you have brick and order and you want to sell your things online, you could still use.
It's not up to you to decide what these people build their stores out of.
Now, one person built a store out of straw, but that didn't stand up, and the other person built the store out of sticks.
And that didn't stand up, and finally, when they built it out of bricks, well, then you know the rest of the story, folks, and you can write your own story at Shopify.
because they're going to do it for you, folks.
They're going to have hundreds of ready-to-use templates that Shopify uses
to help you build a beautiful online store to match your brand style.
Let's say you got the high fashion from Paris,
and you got all the dresses where the girls look like all of their itty bits
are hanging out and everything, like the young folks are wearing.
You put those up onto the store, and you'll have a bunch of people buying those things.
just make sure that it's clear you're selling the dress and not the model.
But they'll do your design studio.
They'll accelerate your content creation.
They are packed with tools that write product descriptions, page headlines.
They're even going to enhance your product photography.
Now, let's say you take a picture of the cheeseburger that you're selling out of your kitchen.
What they're going to do is they're going to go in there and they're going to tweak it where the cheese looks even golier, the pickles look even crispier.
they're going to pop that thing right out
and people will be mouth watering
coming to your door
and then you're going to have to feed these son of a bitches
get the word out
none of this is how it works but get the word out about your products
get on the biggest online get on shops app
people can find you people can pay for you quickly and easily
people can find no no that's another thing
Shopify is going to keep these people from being able to find you
when they want their money back
they're not going to be able to find you
No, they're not going to be harassing you.
They're going to be wandering the streets,
wondering where their money went.
Folks, you can get the word out like you've got a marketing team behind you.
You can easily create email and social media campaigns
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And best yet, Shopify is your commerce expert.
They've got world-class expertise in everything from managing inventory.
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And when they come back next week,
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They don't take discrepancies lightly.
This is not how this works.
They are a partner you can work with.
You will enjoy working with them.
We use.
Yes, just be up front.
We work with them.
They power hour store.
You've really got me thrown off of this one today.
Yes, well, they've got world-class expertise
and also in international shipping.
they can get something on a boat where other people can't.
You know about all the problems we got with China,
they got the back door to China.
They're going to get this thing on a submarine,
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And if you're ready to sell,
you're ready for Shopify right now,
and there's a reason why right now is the time to make money
because they're going to give you a $1 a month trial pair.
Well, not you, Brian.
you've already, we're already in the system there.
As you said, our show shirts are now on the shop app.
So, shame, shame on anybody for not buying one.
But if you go to Shopify.com slash JCE,
you're going to be able to sign up for a $1 a month trial period
where Shopify is going to show you what they can do for you.
And I've mentioned all those things, the media campaigns,
the managing the inventory process,
processing returns.
Let's say people want to bring their stuff back.
They got to go through Shopify first,
and Shopify is going to sit them down,
and they's going to say,
now why the fuck do you want to return this?
What's the matter with you?
Don't you have any good sense, boy?
Don't you realize this is a perfectly good product?
And they're going to shame these people
and have taken that stuff back with them.
So that's how they process the returns.
Don't think anybody's going to get by
with anything with Shopify's.
around. For a dollar a month, you know, to hire a thug to do the same thing, it'd be at least
10, 15 bucks an hour. How much do you pay up there? I don't, I don't pay up here. It's free.
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moula with two legs, but the kind of moula that smells like green ink on paper. Oh, with Shopify on
your side, $1 a month trial period, Shopify.com slash JCE.
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You can't argue with that.
It's simple science.
Well, Jim, I'd like to ask you an off-topic question here because I thought this was
fascinating.
I saw an article the other day in the New York Post that it made me think about all
the conversations we've had about professional wrestling history that's been
wiped.
The tapes were wiped.
They were recorded over.
they were used again, they were cleaned.
Yes.
There's a lot of things from places like Los Angeles, Tennessee,
where even if there's history of other stuff from other territories,
that stuff's gone.
And I thought this was very interesting.
It's an article from The Post by Mark Lungarello.
ailing Doctor Who superfan spends fortune to recreate 97 lost episodes to see
the complete series before he dies.
What?
Much like wrestling,
Doctor Who, which is a British institution
and a public television institution
for years here in America,
Doctor Who, despite the popularity worldwide,
the early seasons especially,
there are complete story arcs that are gone.
That the BBC in the 70s
erased them to use.
use for other things.
So for those episodes,
some I believe there are audio recordings,
much like with wrestling where we don't have video,
but there's some audio examples.
They have behind the scenes photos
or I think maybe in some case,
home footage.
Yes.
They have other things to use
that kind of know what was there,
but those episodes are gone.
So before we go any further with this,
what are your thoughts on that?
Something like that,
a big show starts in the early 60s, and in the 70s, they start erasing those tapes.
Well, that surprises me because obviously with the wrestling promoters, we know why that happened.
There was no home video. There was no reruns. There was no really reusing the footage
passed. They would save great angles because they knew, oh, we'll show this again when the
sheet comes back or whatever. But with local television in general, it was still, it was an expense
thing. The story of Lance Russell, when he was program director at W.HBQ in Memphis, they had the
dance party show, which was kind of like across between Soul Train and American Bandstand where they had
all the Memphis musicians, the soul grates, and the, you'd imagine the famous musicians that
lived and were in and around Memphis coming in doing live shows that they didn't save the tapes of.
They just reused them. So on a local television basis, that happened for you.
years also, but
almost every
I can't think of an
American television series,
especially one that started in the
60s, that was either a
network show or
was syndicated in any
kind of wide, meaningful way
that
the footage, the tapes, the
film, whatever, it doesn't exist
in some form.
I mean, you know, even
Jackie Gleason came out with the
lost episodes of the honeymooners that he had locked up in his vault.
That was from the 50s kinescopes.
They kept network television shows because there were sponsors and production companies
and people that they knew there was always going to be replay of television shows
in some respects.
So I can't understand, especially in the 70s, erasing any episodes of a popular TV show.
Let me go to this article here.
sometimes truth is stranger than science fiction,
an ailing Doctor Who superfan
spent a mini fortune to recreate 97 lost episodes of the series
using AI,
so he'd be able to watch it all again before he dies.
London music producer Ian Levine, 71,
sold his royalties to finance his mission
to fill the gaps in the archives of the beloved British TV series
that he said cost 100,000 pounds
or more than $130,000,
even though he knows they will likely never be widely seen.
I came very close to death four times, said Levine,
who is battling nasal cancer
and has been confined to a wheelchair since a stroke 11 years ago.
I've never even heard of that. Wait a minute. I've never heard of such a
thing.
Nasal cancer.
Cancer of the nose.
Of the nasal cavity,
technically, I guess.
Whatever.
And has been confined to a wheelchair
since a stroke 11 years ago
left him with limited use
of his left side.
He's all right now.
I thought,
I don't want to die
having not seen them.
So I made it my mission
to see them before I die.
I made a lot of sacrifices
to do this.
Levine,
who has previously suffered
from bladder,
cancer, sepsis.
I don't mean to laugh.
Which was funnier to you, the bladder cancer or the sepsis?
Which one tickled you the most?
It's just he has this current issue and then this is all stuff in the past.
He's got some shit up his nose, too.
Platter cancer, platter cancer, sepsis, and single.
Platter cancer.
Single sarcidosis.
or whatever that is,
estimates he spent 70,000 pounds of his own dough
while a group of other Who fans
shipped in 30,000 pounds
through a donation campaign.
He searched a world
as far as Bangladesh and Turkey
to find designers up to the job
of making moving AI images
out of production photos.
They got a lot of cutting-edge designers,
in Bangladesh.
Well, they work cheap there.
Making moving AI images
out of production photos,
notes,
and the actual audio
from the stories.
For every good one I found,
I found 20 scammers
who wanted you to send
100 pounds first,
or I won't do it.
And then I'll send you a clip,
he told the post
in a phone interview from England.
19 out of 20 clips
were absolutely laughable.
Just countless trash.
I got ripped off
by 19 different people.
It cost me at least 10,000 pounds in rip-offs.
Since the AI remakes are not authorized by the BBC,
he is now only sharing the videos with his small group of friends and fellow diehards
who also contributed to the effort.
Levine has been hooked on the show since it debuted in 1963 in the UK
and was an unofficial fan advisor to the program.
In the 80s, the BBC once had a policy of purging film after Browin
broadcast that left major gaps in its archives, including the first...
I would say to do that.
Including the first six black and white seasons of Doctor Who, which focuses on the
adventures of a mysterious alien who travels in time and space.
Copies have turned up in private collections that have been found in foreign TV studios
where they were shipped for broadcast, but the reality is many or most of those still
missing no longer exist in any form.
So the BBC apparently, Jim, to summarize a little bit more of the rest of this, made recreations using cartoons.
They used animation to, in some cases with the audio they had, in some cases not with the audio they had, to recreate the story.
Ian Levine here, who has a Facebook group, I know, he spent money to recreate it with AI.
Now, this is still early in the lifespan of AI, but I've sent you a clip which allegedly had.
some footage of what it looks like, just a montage,
if you want to see what AI,
AI recreating television from England in 1963,
what that looks like.
Yes, and I have that clip,
and let me just say,
if he wanted to spend a lot of money on something
that wasn't going to be widely seen,
why didn't he just invest in AEW?
Well, Tony's not looking for outside investors.
First question I had,
but I'm clicking on this link.
Son of a bitch.
I'm going to mute it because it's fucking loud.
97 missing Doctor Who episodes.
It's very spooky in terms of the faces aren't all moving even when the mouths are.
But goddamn, this is clear black and white television than I'm used to from 1963.
Audio isn't bad.
I'm listening to a little audio.
Yeah, shit.
My rabbit here is.
wouldn't have had a picture anywhere near this clear.
I see you actually, you like it.
Okay.
They, I mean, they, they look halfway legitimate.
This is not in high death, but it looks better than, like I said, the old Ken,
have you seen any of the Avengers episodes before Emma Peel joined and they really started
spending money on them when it was just Patrick McNee and the other fucking guy?
and it was two guys and it was the shits.
But the quality of those, the picture on those episodes, it sucks.
This looks pretty fucking nice.
Well, now we don't need actors.
And again, this is derived, and it'll only be improved upon,
but this is derived just from photos, audio, and notes.
Yeah, that's insane.
I wish I could have done Smoky Mountain Wrestling like this.
Well, you know, there's still time.
I don't think, I don't think, I don't think,
there's enough time for me to get really interested in doing that again. If you want to spend
100,000 pounds, you could book all the stuff you always wanted the book and never got a chance to.
Living or dead, it doesn't matter. I could have the wrestling bear as the mystery partner.
That's a, I never got to do that. Or Joe LaDuke. Well, I tried to do that, but he didn't cooperate.
But what do you think? Well, that's very, yes, and the, the monsters are odd also. Well, now I've
clicked off and I've clicked on to something.
else. I lost my back on just a random YouTube page here. What did I do? But very odd. Yes,
there we go. The missing episodes of the doctor. Well, again, what do you think of the idea
of someone doing this for wrestling? We have audio for a lot of stuff that there's no video.
There may be some pictures, at least for studio wrestling, if not a picture that day, a picture
of what it looked like in general. What do you think is someone using AI to recreate wrestling that
is lost. Well, see, that I don't think is doable because with this, this is a TV show. So
they even had some audio. So they can, they have pictures of the actors. They can walk around and
talk to each other. And you can create a, you know, shaggy space monster that can walk around and
throw boulders or whatever. But without video of the wrestlers, you wouldn't have any
frame of reference to even tell
AI what their wrestling
looked like, so
it would default to what
AI thinks wrestling
looks like, which would be modern
wrestling. So the whole
reason to have footage of that
so you could see the way these guys
used to do it, it may be,
I mean, I guess you could feed the
AI some
film of other wrestlers
doing shit in 1953,
but then you would get
you know, Sputnik Monroe
wrestling Billy Wicks
but he looked like Buddy Rogers
against fucking Pat O'Connor.
You see what I'm saying?
It wouldn't be unique
what made that person special.
For something I was writing
and talked to you about a few weeks ago,
Pat Malone is the Green Shadow,
drew all that money in Nashville
and Knoxville and Birmingham
all over the south.
Before television,
there is no way
to see
how he wrestled because it doesn't exist.
So you could take a picture of him and I guess plug it into the AI with another
wrestling match of somebody else from 1943, but how would you, you couldn't get there,
could you?
Something like that.
Yeah, something like that.
You may be able to at least replicate the look, but, you know, if the only
if the only thing we'd just be doing something somebody else did, which wouldn't be the
idea.
Yeah, I mean, the only thing you.
could derive the style from would be written notes of what his style was because there is
well there are none is his happy to you know exactly he used soap in the baby face his eyes and
people tried to pull him out of the ring and kill him i mean how do you you know how would you
recreate that with any specificity what do you think about using AI to do storylines differently
and every storyline gets to a point where the fans think they know better it should go a different
way with AI you could do that you can see how your outcome would work in front of
Jesus Christ. You can do that with regular intelligence too, just if you're too goddamn predictable, change it up a little bit. You don't need fake intel. A lot of people are working with fake intelligence these days. From the government on down.
Well, Jim, let's get some questions here before we wrap it up and call it a day. This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Burke in Green River, Wyoming.
A friend of mine recently told me that she is the granddaughter,
a former wrestler Jim Blood.
Jim died shortly after she was born,
and her father never talked much about his wrestling days
before he passed away a few years ago.
I wondered if Jim knew anything about Jim Blood,
because I'm not finding much on Google.
Brian, do I have some type of brain tumor?
am I having a brain fart or...
I'm not having a side of my head here.
Where are these tight fucking headphones are?
Have you ever heard of a professional wrestler named Jim Blood?
I have not.
Obviously, Richard Blood, Dick Blood.
Well, yes.
That's an unfortunate way of phrasing it.
But he was known as Dick Bluff.
I mean, that was Ricky.
That was Ricky Steamboat's name.
That's his real name.
And that was the name he wrestled as when he first,
debuted, but I've never heard of it.
Yeah, well, his real name was Richard Blood, but then some wise-ass promoter took a picture of
him, but put the caption on it, Dick Blood.
And I don't know if that would have got over or not.
And then Tito Santana briefly wrestled as Richard Blood.
Because Richard Blood is kind of a cool name.
But, uh, I, again, I don't, Jim Blood, I'm sorry.
We spoke earlier about sometimes people want other people to,
think that they were more famous or accomplished in a specific field or any field than maybe what
they were and they kind of fudge things a little bit and I think that's maybe what Jim Blood did.
Well, technically too, if it's this young lady, assuming she's young, her grandfather,
and we're talking Wyoming, I mean, there could have been someone working small shows in Wyoming
50 years ago that we just don't talk about because, you know, we always do that caveat.
that, you know, it is possible that, you know, somebody, a local show somewhere at some time,
wrestled, but as far as a meaningful, widespread, lengthy, or recognized career, that gets tough.
Jim, our next question was sent via email to Courtney Drive-Thru at gmail.com from Khalil.
Who do you think got the better women's division right now?
Is it AEW or WWE?
Have a nice day.
Yeah, well, yeah, have a nice day.
I'll set this bomb off in front of you.
I'm sorry, but it's the WWE.
I mean, even though I think that, again,
all the women's divisions are too numerous
because it shouldn't be 50-50.
It's ridiculous to think that.
But of the really professional accomplished, you know,
attractions,
in women's wrestling, the WWE has most of them, do they not?
I mean, the other side, it's kind of tough over there.
And Tony Storm can work, but she's just, it's so just silly for the kids that like silly
wrestling and want to laugh at everything.
It's just bogus bullshit.
But on the other side, you've, you've got Bianca, you got Tiffy, you got Rhea,
you got Charlotte, for those of you want to get pissed off.
But you've got a lot more professional, better looking.
I'm not talking about attractiveness.
I'm talking about the package of,
does this person look like a celebrity in wrestling or not?
It's the WWF or WWE or whatever they're calling themselves these days.
Can you deny that?
I think WWA is the better women's roster.
I think AEW's women roster, women's roster, women's roster,
or women's roster, has some real talent who haven't been necessarily used the way I like.
I think Megan Bain is a star.
I mean, I'm waiting to find out, you know, she's something bad, but she seems like,
she seems great and she has a presence.
Tony Storm, again, she's lost in her gimmick and it's working for her, but can't deny she's
talented.
Jamie Hater, I thought out of world of talent, but she has the least marketable look in the
women's division just because of her color scheme.
She looks like a giant cabbage patch doll.
You know what? That's exactly what it looks like. That's funny.
You know, there's a, you know, Thunder Rosa is good when she's not fighting people.
I don't even know what the hell's going on over there.
WWE wins that, yeah.
Yeah, you're looking deep to try to justify something that you can't find.
All right, Jim, our next question here sent via email to Cornees Drive-Thru at gmail.com is from Neil
The Banfoot, Northern Ireland.
The Banffut?
What is, what's going on?
B-A-N-N-F-O-O-T, Northern Ireland, the Banffut, like the Bowery.
With regard to the recent internet phenomenon over who would win a battle between 100 men and one guerrilla,
and given Jim's years of experience in the wrestling industry,
could he give us an insight on how such a matchup would play out?
100 men versus a gorilla.
I've seen people talking about this thing,
and then, you know, they're going to start with the memes,
well, save the 99 guys, just throw Brock out there, whatever.
Honestly, a hundred grown adult
men with a plan and simply by sheer numbers and fucking the weight of the oppression of
weighing the fucking poor little outnumbered gorilla down ought to be able to do something
of course now the first ones to come up on him from the front are probably going to wish they
didn't but if you take your most expendable say six or eight guys out of
that hundred and you
run them up to the front while he's
gnawn on their carotid arteries and
breaking their bones you get
four to come in at a leg
four to come in at another leg four to come
in at an arm four to come in at the other arm
and maybe six to jump
off the goddamn balcony on the back of
his neck you take him
down you tie him up put the sugar hold
on him and then
by sheer weight because a hundred men
who the hell's putting the sugar hold on him
well the guy with the longest
arms, of course.
And now if you got 100 guys,
they're 180 pounds apiece,
well, 180 times
18,000, that'd be
18,000, that'd be 9
tons. Then just all
lay on top of him. He won't be able to kick
out. I think that'd grill as
fucked forth. Then,
then we're going to have to call
the authorities because that's cruelty to
animals and the mistreatment
of wildlife and
somebody's going to get sued over this.
Well, you have a quick follow-up before we move on from Ryan and Tazewell, Tennessee, sent us to Corny Drive-Thru.
Okay, wait a minute.
What? Where?
Tazewell.
Tazewell.
Tazwell.
Tazwell.
There's an E after the Z.
I thought that would make it Taze.
Well, it doesn't because it's East Tennessee, and they don't do things like that.
Tazwell was where I saw the spot show with the 1978 WFIA convention on a Saturday night, Tazwell, Tennessee.
What is your opinion on the debate that has swept the internet this week?
A hundred men versus a gorilla.
I keep seeing it said, a bunch of guys like Brock Lesnar would win,
but I think you can go the other way with 100 Paul Heyman's.
They would definitely win because the gorilla would just get tired with the sheer amount of mass.
What are your thoughts?
Well, but see, here's the thing.
Fat weighs, or muscle weighs more than fat.
So your 100 Brock Lester's would be heavier than your hundred Paul Heymans.
Now the thing is, the hundred Paul Hamans may act as some type of, I don't know, living quicksand
in which when the gorilla tried to wade through it, he would be mired down into the suet
and the cottage cheesishness and the overall, you know, gristle of the thing to the point where he would be a moble.
and then you could just kind of pick him off, but I'm not sure.
So you're saying 100 men can defeat a gorilla?
Well, yes, but it depends on whether they got a plan.
Who do you think will win a gorilla or a lion?
Well, now, for heaven's sake now, we're talking mixed martial arts here.
They're two completely different disciplines.
You've got the bear-hugging, chest-beaten, fucking fist-whalop.
and gorilla and then you've got the
jumping, leaping, roaring,
biting fucking lion.
Those are two different disciplines.
What rules are we operating under?
And let's just say for this example, we're on flatland.
There are no trees to prop yourself up
and pull yourself up.
I think I got the lion because the gorilla's going to bleed to death.
Because if the gorilla can't jump up and grab the
tree limb and swing and give the drop kick and the whole nine yards,
then no.
all right but now if there was trees
then the gorilla would be back in the game
no then like it's I mean that's home field advantage if there ever was
you can go up climb the tree and throw shit and just sneak attack
at will yeah
all right this has been a mensa talk
wild kingdom here on the drive-thru
but Jim you mentioned I'll be Marlon Perkins
you can be Jim and you mentioned that some of these men
for reasons you have not disclosed may want to sue is that what you say
yeah that's what I saw
Somebody's going to get sued over this.
Maybe this bad program.
I don't know.
Would you like for me to talk to somebody about suing somebody?
Would you like me to tell?
Yes.
Tell everyone.
You'd like me to tell people who they might talk to if they want to sue some.
Oh, God damn it.
Call this man.
Call Stephen P. Nune.
An outlaw mud show or two.
Those are the rest.
Yes, that's right, ladies and gentlemen.
You don't have to worry.
You can call Stephen P. New at newlawoffice.com 87750, Steve.
And whether you're for the gorilla or against the gorilla, he's got somebody that can be on your side.
He has pro-guerilla and anti-guerilla clerks in the law office now waiting to take whichever side of the case that you're up on.
So if you want to be a monkey swinging around a dog,
tree, then you hire Stephen P. new. Or if you want to be a living, breathing human being that's
smart enough not to fucking fight a monkey, then just hire Stephen P. New and he'll take the monkey to
court. But one way or another, don't monkey around with Stephen P. New at new law office.com
87750, Steve, because he is not a man to be monkeyed or trifled with. Only if you're Peter
Torque, Mike Nesma, Davy Jones,
or the other fucking guy.
Mickey Dolans.
Mickey Dolans. Yeah.
If you're one of them, then you can monkey around
with Stephen P. New.
What about a kangaroo? Kangaroos are pretty tough.
Well, I don't like the odds of facing them in court.
All right, Jim. Well, let's get a few more questions
before we wrap up this banner episode of
of the, today's draft through is book by Tony Khan,
ladies and gentlemen. Jim, this next email was sent
corny drive-thru at gmail.com from
Becky W.
Back in the late 90s,
I worked with a woman named Barbara
who said she was an ex-wife of Bobby Eaton.
We live in upstate South Carolina.
They had a son together.
God, damn.
At the time, it was cool to hear her stories
because I had been a lifelong wrestling fan.
The more I worked with her,
the more we all realized she was
bat-shit insane.
I would love to know.
any good wives or ex-wife stories you have from your time on the road, or if you ever met
Barbara and also realized she was a tad psychotic. Bobby Eaton's wife from South Carolina, Barbara.
Yes. Boy, I'll tell you what, she made a hell of a plate of cornbread, though. That was the thing.
No, Bobby Eaton was never married before he married Donna. And he did not have a,
an ex-wife living in South Carolina named Barbara or any other name.
But boy, again, we continue, whether they're believing the press release that's mocked up
or they're believing the gorgeous George, you know, impersonators,
or whether they're wanting to be famous wrestlers named Jim Blood or Barbara.
Yeah.
Barbara Eaton.
Barbara Eaton.
She could have been famous on I Dream of Jeannie.
Barbara Eaton.
It's one thing to be obsessed with a celebrity,
someone you see on TV or at the live local arenas.
It's another thing that concoct some story in your own head,
let alone share it with other people that you are or have been in some relationship
with someone.
That's crazy.
And it happened.
Again, it still happens today if you watch the gossip,
shows on TV, but or people are always pulling something like that, but it happened in wrestling
regularly, all over the, all over the country, that everybody was a long lost relative or an
ex or had some attachment that they could tell the other fans that came to the matches every
week so that they would stand out and be special in some fashion or tell people in their private
life, they got even less way to fact check it.
Jim, our next question was sent via the
Colt of Cornett Facebook group. This is from
Dylan King.
What are Jim's thoughts on blindfold matches?
Well, and I guess we have to explain
some of them. Not everybody's seeing the
Jake Roberts' hood of darkness match, or what was that
that they called it? Who was it? Who was it?
Jake and Rick and,
Martel, the model, because he had sprayed arrogance in the eyes of Jake Roberts, who...
Yeah, but who called it the Prince of Darkness match or some kind of thing?
Was it Kevin?
That was Kevin, maybe.
But nevertheless, it's like everything else, if you understand why it was become,
why the idea was concocted and how to execute it and how to work it and don't make it just
really goofy, then it works.
But a lot of those things don't always.
often happen and sometimes it don't work.
But the idea is that, you know,
originally the way it came up was,
I could beat you with one hand tied behind my back.
Well, I could beat you blindfolded.
Well, I take you up on that, that kind of thing.
And then in Tennessee, when I first saw him,
it was the blindfold battle royal that they would do at spot shows
where there's only eight guys on the card.
And an eight-man battle royal looks like,
a little sparse. So eight-man
blindfold battle royal, you get the
black hood that you put over everybody's
head and then they're reaching
out trying to feel their way around and
it takes longer, right?
But then Watts took it in
Mid-South and did
what Roy Shire would have done with it.
He made it sound
dangerous and plausible.
He said, we're going to take 18
fucking guys and we're going to put
hoods over their heads so they can't see
and you have to be thrown over the top
rope to the floor to be eliminated so somebody could their necks could be broken and a last man
in the ring is the way and it drew in the main event of his regular towns one time because it
was different but it depends on how you sell it who's involved in it how they're doing it and the old
deal where the heel would peek behind the referee's back he'd peek and get the advantage on the baby face
and then get on the baby face who was blind
and couldn't see where it was coming from.
But then the people would realize
that they could help the baby face.
When the baby face would be in the corner
and he'd point, the people would boo
if he wasn't pointing right,
but if he'd pointed in another direction
it was pointing at the heel, they'd cheer, yay!
And the heel didn't know what was happening.
Why are they cheering?
And the body language that you would show in the thing.
And then finally, you'd get the baby face
where he'd get his hands on a fucker.
But it's like everything else.
How's it done?
Who's doing it?
All right, Jim, our next question
was sent via the Coulter Cornet Facebook group
by Ian Richings.
Hey, Jim,
I'm 27 years old.
And my dad who introduced me to wrestling...
Sounds like a personal ad.
Wait a minute. What's going on here?
And my dad who introduced me to wrestling,
now 57 years old,
grew up going to shows at the old...
I've added old.
grew up going to shows at the Louisville Gardens.
My favorite story of his took place during a Jerry Lawler match with Jimmy Hart at ringside.
My dad's late stepbrother got so fired up during the match that he socked Jimmy Hart in the neck.
Jimmy hit the floor, and my dad, his stepbrother, and stepdad were promptly escorted out.
According to my dad, the story ends with Lawler getting Jimmy back on his feet,
and winking at my dad and his family before putting the boots to heart.
Do you remember this particular instance?
And if not, does a similar story come to mind of fans getting a bit too physical at the gardens?
Yeah, well, there's a lot of stories of fans getting too physical at the gardens.
I do not remember one where a guy came up out of the audience and rabbit-punched Jimmy Hart,
who went down and Lawler just calmly winked to get out of me.
I remember jumping Jimmy
when Lawler turned around and saw the guy on top of Hart
wailing him in the middle of the ring
he fucking went over and grabbed him
the cops hit the fucking ring and the cops all grabbed the guy
and threw him bodily over the top rope to the floor
before almost drawing a gun on Jerry Jared
who was hitting the ring on the other side.
Again, I wasn't at ringside for every single time
that Jerry Lawler and Jimmy Hart were together in Louisville
after I got in the business I missed some of the shows.
I'm saying you know and I'm sure they were escorted for out for potentially trying to do that maybe
Jimmy was going down because everybody was in a scuffle on the floor I'm sorry I'm just telling you that if
if somebody had nailed Jimmy hard enough that he went down from that and the cops weren't all over
the guy instantly and if Lawler was in the vicinity he would have been trying to tear the guy's eyeballs out to
until the threat was neutralized.
So there may have been a scuffle and a swing
and it maybe have been described there
a little bit more grandiose than it was.
But no, real violence from the audience,
which happened regularly in the gardens in the ring,
especially in the early mid-70s,
was not ever winked at.
There was the Bearcat Wright gave that guy
probably brain damage.
One time when the guy
tried to punch him and he kicked him
in the head as hard as I've ever seen anybody
kick anything with those fucking boots
he was wearing. And they got sued
over that.
There was a time the bounty hunters
have, you remember
the guy on room 222
that had the red Afro
cat? He was a white guy but had a red
big afro type of head of hair.
You remember that? Not really.
Well, point is in the 70.
a lot of people had the big big heads of hair.
This guy tried to get on Jimmy Kent,
the bounty hunter's manager one night.
I think he hit the ring to do it.
And Jerry Novak ended up with,
it looked like he pulled Ronald McDonald's wig off
when he grabbed that guy by the head
and he beat his face in with the other hand
and then ripped his hair out
and was holding it and waving it around the ring.
There was all kinds of fan interaction back in those days,
but I don't remember him winking.
at anything.
Jim, someone in the Coulter Corner Facebook group, Chris Flatt, wanted to get your opinion on this.
I know I've seen video from way back of you talking about it.
I never heard Bobby Eaton's version of it.
I'll read this.
This is apparently from an interview Bobby did with DDT Digest.
And then you could add to it at the end.
What was the oddest experience he had in a wrestling ring?
That's an easy one.
It was when I was with the Midnight Express.
Can't remember whether it was Dennis or Stan.
We were wrestling two guys.
for a TV match, I'd never seen them before. Well, this one guy was like Superman. We'd throw him
or kick him out of the ring and he'd jump right back up on the apron and onto the ropes. I'd never
seen anything like it before. I'd never seen anything like it before. Normally when you throw or
kick a guy out of the ring, he catches his breath and it gives you a chance to gather your
thoughts and figure out what you're going to do next. But this guy kept jumping right back up. No
matter what we did. It was the weirdest thing. Finally, we get the win, pinning the Superman guy,
so the referee is raising our hands in victory, and the Superman guy shimmies over.
Shimmy, he shimmied. The Superman guy shimmies over on his back and boots me in my ass.
Yes. And boots me in my ass from flat on his back. I was like, what the hell? Normally when you beat guys,
they're smart enough to stay down.
I was so shocked.
I was so shocked.
I wasn't even sure what to do.
So I stomped him once.
Not all that hard.
To give him a hint.
The referee went to raise up our hands again.
And believe it or not,
I actually moved away from the guy
to give him a benefit of the doubt.
And he shimmied.
So the guy actually shimmies across the ring
on his rear end and boots me in the ass again.
So my partner and I look at each other and just proceed to beat the living crap out of the guy
who's already on his back.
Superman's partner comes running in, probably just trying to protect his partner,
but we didn't take any chances.
My partner and I beat the crap out of him too.
You know who that was?
That was Wee Willie Winky.
I've never heard Bobby Eaton's version of it.
That was Wee Willie Winky.
And I'll tell this real quick for the new listeners, but at Atlanta,
you know, Mike Jackson would bring a carload of job guys that he had trained from Alabama or the guys that come in from Greenville, South Carolina that worked to local Indies.
But somehow these guys got booked. It was two muscle builders and this little fucking little hatchet-headed prick, we willie winky, that came in the same card.
We'd never seen any of the three of them before. And the two muscle guys, you know, looked like.
something, but you know, we didn't know whether they could work or not, but we willie
wanted to be called blue thunder because he had some blue in his outfit. I guess he fancied himself
that he was blue thunder. He was about legitimately five foot six and maybe 160 pounds, just,
you know, ridiculous, right? And so Dusty, when Dusty was putting the names down against the
guys, he said, he said, blue thunder. He said, call him we Willie Winky. Call him, we Willie Winky. Call him
Wee Willie Winky.
Well, we, Willie Winky didn't like being called
Wee Willie Winky.
He was already in a bad mood when he went in the ring.
So it's what Bobby said normally.
And we were the nicest ones with the job guys, right?
We never heard anybody.
We didn't take advantage of them.
But, you know, if they could work, we gave them a spot.
Monkeys!
Well, no, they did all that on their own on purpose.
We didn't.
No, they asked us to do that to them.
I'm just telling you.
But, you know, the point is, we were always nice, the job guys worked with him, whatever, this guy, Bobby said, whatever, he locked up, did something to him, threw him out of the ring.
And the guy jumped right back and jumped over the top rope to get back in the ring.
This little tiny, minute little prick is going to be the goddamn star of the show here on TBS against the Midnight Express.
And his partner, by the way, had never seen him before either.
his partner was one of the, you know, just local job guys they just put together, right?
So they did another couple things, and it was Dennis, by the way, was the partner, which was another,
if it had been staying, we willie might have got treated a little bit better.
Fucking two or three things he had done, he'd just pop right back up.
So they had the other guy tag in.
They did some stuff to him.
And then they were supposed to take it on old wee willy.
So they get him back in, and I believe.
it was the rocket launcher finish.
And boom, Bobby covers him,
one, two, three, and then stands up.
And as he said, I'm looking,
Bobby's looking at the camera, the guy's behind him.
I'm looking toward Bobby's,
so I see the guy.
And as Bobby's got his hand, the referee's
raising his hand, and Dennis is coming
in the ring, fucking we willie,
shimmies over about a foot on his ass
to be able to reach up and just kick Bobby lightly
in the ass.
and Bobby felt it and turned around.
It was like, what he wasn't sure, what he did.
So he stomped the guy in a working way and then turned back around.
And that's when Dennis is coming in.
Dennis sees him do it the second time.
And as soon as a guy did it the second time, they both took off on Wii Willie and
started kicking a shit out of him.
Now, the partner ran in because he just was so scared.
He didn't know what to do it.
He thought, oh, shit, more shit's going on.
I should run over there.
and Bobby Turner out, and they can punch you right between the eyes, boom,
and that guy isn't fucking, he got out.
And we Willie is clamoring for the fucking ropes to get,
because they're kicking a shit out of him, for real.
The ass kicking on the television show, as I remember,
was covered by the replay of the rocket launcher.
So you could really see what was going on.
You started to see the leg raise as they flew the replay in on the first ass kick,
but you heard the ring going,
to boop to boop to boop and we willie is trying to scramble away from him and comes right over the bottom rope right next to me as i was coming in
and i kneecapped him with the goddamn racket edge right is on his way by and hit that fucking kneecap and goddam
he gets out of that ring and goes scurrying off so bobby and dennis jump out and dennis is
leading the charge because they're going to go kick the teetotal shit out of this fucking guy
However, Dennis did say on the way around
Watch the fucking bodybuilders
Because we didn't know about them, they came with him.
Well, when we got around the corner,
there was Dusty in Wee Willie's face looking down at him
Because Dusty was six feet tall
So he had at least six inches on him
And he had his finger up at his face
And he was saying,
If you want to make a comeback on somebody, motherfucker,
Make a comeback on me.
Get your shit and get the whole thing
and get the fuck out of my building.
And we willie took off with the bodybuilders
and nobody ever saw him again.
If you want to make a comeback on thumbody motherfucker,
make a comeback on me, get the fuck out of my building.
Was that something you guys commonly talked about?
Like was it an incident that you guys always could reference that?
Yes, we were, yeah.
Find wee Willie, he'll kick your ass, Bobby.
Bobby Eaton got his ass kicked on TBS by Wee Willie Winky.
Superman, as he calls him.
Thunder. On that note, we're going to wrap things up. Let's get a song, or maybe two or maybe one.
Let's get a song. Play me a song. You're the podcast man. What does this one say? These are mainly
songs about Tony and his bumbling of talent.
We don't have time for the entire great American songbook. Stefan of Auburn, Maine.
You write a lot of stuff. I'm trying to get through these quick. I don't know exactly what
the hell you're sending.
Let's go to this.
This is from Stefan and Auburn, Maine.
He sent four different clips.
I'm going to click this last one.
Can you give me another Weezer song that I would instantly know?
I don't know if you're really their audience.
The sweater song?
The sweater song.
Tony, Ely, Concan.
I have why try?
Stinging, Dobby, they're blow free
Which they're corn
Much better
He's mostly dreads
that gang in Rio, man
Pink Triangle and pauses for a second
The lyrics are on the screen
I don't know if you can make out of any saying
I was about to say
Is it a situation where some zoo animals
are providing the vocals.
Well, maybe it'll pick up here
in the second part.
Maybe you know that one?
No.
Can you recite any of those?
I'm done with the recitation.
Yeah, done with the recitation.
All right.
Well, we got to the bottom of that.
Promo, no, go.
It's on dynamite.
Too high the break.
I blink of no scorn.
Wish there comes better for sweet dreads for naked and pain, except for banking brain.
Now car will travel to no destination.
Why, Tony Storm? Stay champion.
By the way, I'm sorry if I upset any Weezer fans.
I'm a Weezer fan too.
The band was better with Matt Sharp.
The first album at Pinkerton were better than everything they've done since.
And they've had some good songs, and they've had some catchy songs.
Is this the weezer, Brian?
Is that even, is that the real Jim saying that or was that the?
Yes, no, that's me saying it.
Is this the weezer?
Is that what he's wheezing about?
He's doing the slowest, most depressing version of it, but it also sounds like maybe he's
trying to not wake up his roommates.
It sounds like that somebody has poured a variety of thin monkey shit in his mouth
and he's afraid he's going to drip it on the floor.
All right, well, thank you, Stefan.
We're going to call it there.
Keep sending in your submissions.
That's what you're calling it.
Thank you for your submission there.
Jim, let's go to this next one.
A drive-through song submission, a theme song submission.
Let's go to this from, who is this?
Joey in Halifax, Nova Scotia.
Wrestling in the minded shit, too.
Gordy's drive-thruital two.
The show is brought to you by Stephen B.
New.
Gordy's drive-thru.
Thank you.
Fuck you.
All right. Well, there's that one.
All right. Not bad.
You know, Brian, I never know anymore.
That's got to be some AI stuff, doesn't it?
Because that was a...
It says here he listens to every episode of the podcast.
He's attached his song.
He recorded all the vocals and instruments himself,
but used...
Really?
But used our program drums.
Well, but still, I mean, that's excellent musicianship.
I don't know if it's, you know,
Lennon McCartney-level vocals or lyrics.
I should say. The vocals are fine.
But there was quite
a good musicianship
till I thought it might be fake.
All right, well, thank you.
The very...
But thank you for not being a fake.
Thank you very much.
Let's get one more here.
I think I saw one the other day.
Let me just check if I did
or if I was high.
You could have been hallucinating again.
That happens quite often with you these days.
Okay, here's a song,
our final one here today.
Send your song submissions,
by the way, Corny Drive-Thruit at
email.com. No AI. Please send a
unlisted YouTube link or an MP3.
Here's the latest from Rocky the Ramon.
Oh, let's go to this right now.
So I get up and I watch the weather this morning, Brian,
and I look out to front window.
What do you think is in my front yard?
Pulled off the road is a giant pickup truck and a big van
sitting on the grass in my front window.
yard right outside side of the fence down there and I see some guy digging a hole in my
fucking yard.
Hey!
What fuck are you doing with me if they could dig a hole that I mind that you're tearing
up my yard?
Come and get your truck.
Excuse me, what the fuck are you doing?
Calling get your truck.
Who say you can park in my yard here?
I don't give a fuck.
Why are you digging this hole?
this hole.
Come and get your truck.
Stop digging.
Hey, with your heap on digging, you can shovel.
No one afraid once you grab this shovel.
He's going to get up and try to fight you or anything?
I don't give a foe.
He's in a fucking hole.
We have a 28-foot easement.
So with the easement, we have a easement.
can do whatever we want.
Is there anything worse than the arrogant city worker?
I said, well, I got a fucking hammer.
And I can do whatever the fuck I want.
If you don't get that truck out here, five minutes, I'm taking fucking hammer to it.
Come and get your truck.
You know what he said to me, Brian?
Come and get your truck.
First of all, sir, you need to calm down.
I don't give a fuck.
I said, fuck you, fuck you.
Come and get your truck.
Fuck you.
Fuck all of you.
And move that fucking truck.
Hey, hey.
Let me do something about it.
Because I'll do.
Watch what I do with this rock.
All right.
I was hoping they would send the cop and it would be the same guy from Mustang Hill.
You're the guy yelling?
I guess we'll see how this go.
How close were you to having a hammer?
Is there a hammer nearby?
If I could hammer in the morning.
And then I could hammer in the morning.
eating all over his head
I'd a hammer on the forehead
I'd a hammer on the chick
And I'd a hammer on his knocking
between his ear and his other ear
All over his head
Well there's the latest one from Rocky the Ramone
Great job
Come and get your truck
Oh god that was a good that was worth it
That was a good one there
tremendous. That was tremendous.
Thank you, Rocky. Once again, still,
still, we are here. Send your song
commissions. Send your song submissions.
Corny Drive-Thru at gmail.com, but with that,
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