Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 396: Jim Reviews Money In The Bank & Worlds Collide

Episode Date: June 15, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews WWE Money In The Bank & Worlds Collide! Plus Jim reviews Raw's highlights and answers YOUR questions about the Road Warriors, what Jim would have done if not wrestling, Dick The Bruiser in Detroit, Haystacks or Haystack, streaming, and much more! Thanks to our episode sponsors: BEAM: Visit https://shopbeam.com/JCE and use code JCE to get our exclusive discount of up to 40% off. RAYCON: Go to buyraycon.com/jce to get 15% off sitewide! SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/cornette Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Again, friends, the chair rolls and we roll on and you are our friends and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru. I'm in the red. According to this thing here, I may have to play around my audio, but we're going to have fun today. Big reviews, big fun. I'm your host, the great Brian last, and here he is, the man of the hour, the leader of the cult of Cornett, the star of the drive-thru, Mr. Jim Cornett.

You know, you're screaming and I don't know. know why? Because you were all fired up there and the desk chair rose and organ strikes. Making you music there. Brian is what you were doing. You were making your music and you got all all fired up there and everything. You know, even if I'm in a cranky mood, I hear the opening strains of your melodic performance there. The theme that the great Brian last. Let me, do you have the theme to the great Brian last. They're much like Percy Faced's theme from a summer place. Yes, very good.

It's ingrained in everybody's childhood memories. You know, I look at it like, you know, Percy Fath, Henry Mancini, the great Brian last, and we'll see who comes next. There's a little pink panther involved in there, but also it sounds sort of like... Chico marks. Do you have some type of pet? possibly a guinea pig or a pet rat or a bunny rabbit or a marmoset or something that's just running up and down the keyboard making that noise, or do you actually have to manipulate that manually?

I play. I think you just let something loose something with four legs or four feet at least. That would sound like this. Maybe. There you go. Now you got something. All right. It sounds like the opening theme to Fernwood.

tonight. I was cranky. Furnwood tonight. Get out of it. I just. You mean America tonight? Well, when they went national. But I liked it when it was local television.

You had to live somewhere within a 22-mile radius of Fernwood, Ohio. To be able to get that program in its early days, that's what had its charm. But I'm cranky about something speaking about television. Since we had just wandered into this topic, have I mentioned. have I mentioned lately how bad I hate the streaming television the streaming television everybody's beloved streaming television people have made millions and billions of dollars for their streaming television

fuck you streaming television would you like me to elaborate apparently not I would like to hear I have no idea what your problem is this came out of nowhere what's your streaming platform specifics I'll tell you what my problem. Are you the manager? I'll tell you what my problem is. So I'm always saying it's a pain in the ass.

You can't control the fast forward and on screen. There's no on screen fast forward. A lot of this stuff, it's all fucking screwy. It's iffy. You know, when I was a kid, we had three television stations that were on the air for 18 hours a day

and otherwise we listened to the radio where we hummed. We fucking hummed. and after 60 hard years of technological innovation and scientific discovery, they got state-of-the-art high-definition cable television plugged into the dagum wall, plethora of channels, all came in crystal clear, remote control in your hand, easy to operate, everything nice and reliable, and then they fucked it all up in the last 10 years. Big, I only watch the streaming whenever one of our programs is being strummed.

Is that the proper past hints of the streamed? Streamed. Well, otherwise, I watched the goddamn cable television the way God intended it, right? But the other day there, I knocked off early. in the evening. I was tired. I just, I was so tired, Brian. And I said, I'm going to watch some kind of movie or entertainment or something

for a couple hours before I go to sleep like I always do every night on whatever I'm watching. And so there was nothing on TV. It said 6.30 in the evening. There's no big blockbuster movie. I go to the streaming TV. And it wasn't the cock, Peacock, they, good Lord, there's some drek on that thing. No wonder they're not doing well.

I think it was Netflix. But it was one of these current horror movies where you kind of get interested in what the fuck is going on, but they don't really tell you what the fuck has been going on until the last 10 minutes, that kind of a deal, right? So I'm an hour and 45 minutes into this thing, and they're just starting to tell me while these things have been going on. And then the thingy in the middle,

the circle, the thing that the buffering, as the kids call it, the little circle in the middle, it just starts turning, right? You know what I'm talking about. Little circle keep on turning while your television set is burning. It starts buffering.

And then it goes, back for a second. And then it starts doing that again. And then I'm trying to stop and go back for a set to click and see what did I. And then the screen pops up and says, check your internet connection. Well, I don't, I don't really know how to check the internet connection, but I can assure you that it was connected the same way as it has been for the previous hour and 45 minutes I've been watching this thing with no goddamn issue. Nobody, nobody's running around the house unplugging shit, right? And so, I'm fucking, then I hit the thing that take you back to the thing,

and then it won't go at all. And now I'm an hour and 45 minutes into this fucking movie. I have no idea what cause, what's causing all this, as Art Anderson would say. And I stomp downstairs where stays on phone, with her mother, I said, fuck streaming television. She said, you know, I mean to fix that? No, never mind now. The mood is past.

And I still don't know what was causing all that, but this morning. In the movie or in the internet? In the movie. I don't know. I'll never now, I don't even remember what the title of the goddamn thing was. I don't know how I'll ever find it again. But anyway, this morning. Wait a minute.

Hold on. It was on Peacock? No, I think I said it was on, I think it was on. I think it was Netflix. It was one of these things you click on the, she's got all these. You just go back to it. It'll show you recently watched.

It'll show you exactly where you were in it. Well, well, here's the fucking punchline to that. Is the next day she said, you want me to fix it? I said, oh, go up and fix it then. And she went up there.

Oh, it's connected just fine. It's working just fine. It's just when I watch it. Because here's the part two this morning, because last night was Monday Night Raw on Netflix. I go down in a TV room

and like I've done every Tuesday morning for the past weeks, weeks, however long they've been on, I hit the thing to go to Netflix and boob and I hit the thing and it shows me the hit the thing for Netflix, buffer, buffer, buffer, buffer, and then it would just stop.

I couldn't get Netflix on the goddamn television. They know I hate them and they're conspiring against against me. Who's they? The fucking people in the walls that have the streaming going on. They're pissing on all of us. I hate this shit.

We had everything just, everything was fine. Why do you keep fucking with shit? Everything was fine. I will say the easiest thing would be if everything was just cable, but obviously that's not it. Everything for in-home use would be easier if everything was just on cable. You could just press a channel number

and go there. Imagine that. In the home, you can do what you want out in the yard. Just let me have just regular cable in the home. Did you see that Max is changing back to HBO Max? No, I thought that he was still in the Hurt syndicate. No, not that Max. Oh, you mean that's TBSS, Max.

That's TBS. Okay, yes. Well, at least that way somebody might know what the fuck it is. Well, you know, HBO, Max, HBO has a little cachet in the industry, the name. People have heard of it. Max is just like, yeah, he's a cute beagle. You know, the problem, too, is Netflix is the leader, and always will be, more than likely. Disney Plus is specialized, but Disney Plus has a lot of value if you're into that world,

and, of course, they have ABC and they have Hulu and everything else. ESPN. Max? You know, it doesn't it doesn't hold up as a standalone, I don't think, especially because of the money behind it. The idea would work if you were starting with like, you know, hey, we haven't put any money into this,

let's make money starting now. There's a lot of streaming services that exist and will and future ones. The best model would be some kind of way to just combine everything, but that's not going to happen. Well, yeah, that would just combine everything on one bill and one service under one company

and call it cable television. Yeah. Although, you know, one of my problems now is my cable TV sometimes starts modulating. And I'm like, what the fuck? So then I have to go to the streaming of the cable. On the same TV, I have the cable box. I have, like, the ability to go to various apps.

It's a smart TV. And I can go to the app from my cable company and go to the channel I was watching. I just started wigging out. And I go, watch it just. fine on the stream. Sometimes it's a few seconds ahead of what's actually happening on the TV live. You need your box flushed.

How does that work? How does that work, Diddy? Tell me about that. Guy comes to your house with a big jug of baby oil. And the next thing you know, everything's just loose as a goose. And then you can watch television. You won't really notice by the time they get finished, whether there's a problem with the picture or not.

but it'll probably be better. You've been following the ditty stuff? The ditty trial? No, I don't hold on here a second. Now I've been following any ditty stuff. We're talking streaming. Apparently at one point there were two streams. Well, the stream of the,

they don't, they can't stream the court route. No. There's streams of urine. You're thinking, oh, see, now there's got to be some goddamn standard here that we can't stoop this low. The current witness was his girlfriend until he got arrested. And according to her testimony now, and it's been really depraved and sad,

he was doing to her everything, if not more, than he was doing to Cassidy, who already testified about, or Cassie, not Cassidy, Cassie, whatever her name is, she already testified about all these freak-offs and hotel nights and baby oil and unprotected sex with male prostitutes because she thought she had to, all these things. this other woman did all that stuff too and then she reads the Cassidy lawsuit she's like motherfucker like everything she's doing he was doing with her

and she didn't know that she thought she was special she thought she was the one that got picked for all this I can't get up there I mean I know it sounds crazy but I think he thought she was they thought they were doing this thing for him they thought they were doing this thing for him because they love

that she said that she thought she was special she was the the only I'm sure Vince, you know, convinced a few people when he pooped on their head. You're the only one special enough for me to poop on your head. What is Vince going to do? You know, we keep hearing one of these rumors. He's got his team in place.

They've got all this money. They've got all this money. They've got investors who would want to put up more money. They just don't have any property. They have nothing that is a commodity right now. They just have an idea. Whenever he reemerges, people aren't going to be yelling out, Head shitter!

You shit on heads! everywhere he goes? Well, here's the thing. If he, in all honesty, if he stays away from, as they say it in big business, the wrestling space, he's probably not going to have any fucking issue. I mean, there's always going to be people on Twitter

or, you know, the one wise acre in every crowd or whatever. But it's only the wrestling fans that would really have. I mean, some of them may mount an attempt to, oh, now he's into penguin breeding. Let's flood the penguin breeding fan sites. But really, when you think about it, the average person out there in America that's, you know, worried about being kidnapped off the streets by mass assailants or whatever,

they're not thinking about Vince's next move like all the wrestling people are. So if he stays away from wrestling, he's got a mainstream. I mean, obviously, the mainstream image did not fare well over the last couple years, but people that don't care about wrestling have just heard of Vince McMahon. He's the big wrestling guy for 40 years. So if he now is coming to the chain of, you know, fucking 3D goddamn peep show, theaters near you, it's just the mainstream audience. You see what I'm saying?

To an extent, because I also think there's always been a taint around Vince McMahon, even before this sexual, you know, scandal, his brand of entertainment. Before the attitude era, it wasn't just about, like, you know, crass, brash TV. There's always been something. He's never been able to connect his ideas with a mainstream audience. the only people that give him a chance are the wrestling fans. Not all of them, obviously. Well, but now in this case, correct me if I'm wrong,

but if the idea is that they're investing in sports and or entertainment that exist, he's not really going to write this shit as much as buy it and try to market it. So if, I guess what I'm saying is, the fans of something else, that he wants to get into, it may not be any good either, but they're not going to be just like,

I hate this shit because Vince owns it, like the wrestling fans would be or want to, you know, go on a campaign, well, don't forget what Vince did. Because, again, depending on what species or genre of the thing he gets into, it's a completely different crowd. They don't know, they might not care.

And again, I think it's going to be wrestling, because I don't think there's anywhere else that Vince McMahon can make an impact. Where are they going to make an impact in documentary film? If you've got $2 billion, you can make a fucking impact. You can get in the door. Hey, listen, he's, it wasn't billions, but he's blown millions and millions on shit

that anyone could have told him was a bad idea, and he just thought it'll work and people will come, so he tell them to, like the WBF and all sorts of things. Well, but this time, I'm saying he's got this this smart feller was his name the guy that left the w w vbrew with him brad blum there you go and uh maybe he's saying okay brad where do we put all this money what's your idea and brad sold him a bill of goods about the next big thing is going to be fucking pickleball i who knows but i'm i i can't still see how it could possibly be wrestling

because I think that may be the one thing that Vince would know right off the bat that he would look inferior at compared to his old organization that it would be so hard to get talent, get off the ground, etc.

That he would be forever like Orson Wells trying to make you know a citizen Kane too. It would be a ever, you know, compared unfavorably. I think he might want to do anything else but.

His entire team is basically the team of 20 years ago. So it's everyone then now. What the hell is he going to do? I mean, again, you have plenty of money. You can throw lots of money against a wall, but it doesn't mean that any of it's going to stick. But some of it might bounce back so you can pitch it again.

I don't know if we have to worry about any of Vince's money bouncing just yet. We'll see what Janelle finds out. I'm just saying to you. that, and I'm not saying it's going to be any good either. I'm just saying that if Vince gets an idea to do something else, he's going to do it, and he's got all the money he needs to do it. But I don't think it's, I don't see how it's going to be professional wrestling

in any form that we see it or know it today. It's all I'm saying. Real American wrestling, a real American, what was it, real? freestyle, real American freestyle wrestling. That rolls off the time. And no, Jesus cried just to give an update on that. I guess this is a couple weeks old,

but apparently one of the people that they mentioned, who is it now? I'm trying to think, but one of the people they mentioned is, has severe health issues. Oh. And another one was arrested, but the poor guy, the headline was so-and-so arrested as part of prostitution ring.

He was part of the prostitution ring. He was arrested for trying to pay for a blowjob. So that sounds like the real American. But still, I mean, I would sue the, if I were that guy, sue the news outlet for slander because he wasn't involved in the goddamn criminal enterprise of the thing. It was a simple fucking transaction, to illegal whether it may be.

He wasn't involved with the ring. He was only involved with the head of the ring. See, they would have a problem if Vince McMahon was involved in that company because then this guy could argue, I didn't think I was doing anything wrong. The boss has paid for plenty of blow jobs.

All right. Your fascination was watching Vince crumble. No, I'm fascinated with the fascination of it. I'm fascinated with the realities of it And again, very rarely in life do you see like just some guy with billions of dollars whose creative vision hit a wall, but there was still a machine behind it that was able to drive it? Not that everything's wonderful right at this very second. It's hard to sit through all these shows.

There's a lot of show. But it definitely points out how inadequate that period of time was. I think I just read an interview with Brett Hart where he said that, you know, you talked to the talent now. Vince would rip up the script in the middle of the show and say we're doing something different now there's like a tranquility and you know not in a bad way not like you know everyone's just sitting there lazy

but nobody's walking on edge now it's like oh my god we're not all shitting ourselves every moment yeah and you're not getting put into just embarrassing situations for no reason because it never helps the character development really so and I saw that interview that and that was basically what Brett said that, you know,

everybody's a little more at ease and can do their thing without having to worry about a safe falling on their head. Well, we will stay on top of the Diddy and Vince McMahon news in the future. Oh, you just like to get Diddy into things. You're gone Diddy mad. No, no Diddy. No, Diddy. Oh, and let me.

Let you. If I can, let me, allow me to. I would allow you. On behalf of you also and all the members of the cult of Cornette, at the top of the program, before we going further, send out our best wishes to Hotchka's Feather Bottom and the young man, Jason Lindsay, that plays him on television. I mentioned last week that he had illness in a family,

his mother had been sick. She passed away a few days ago. And it wasn't unexpected, but still, obviously, they've got a lot to deal with and things going on. But he's more important to my operation than sometimes we let on. But if you've ever been a customer at Cornett's collectibles, you had any issue with trying to find a loss package or helping do special things. He's the guy that's made it happen because, as usual,

I'm always crazy and can't keep track of things. He's been a big help to not only the customers at the website, but also this program with his ability to upgrade things that were beyond my comprehension and everything we do. But to him and his sisters, his wife and kids and the whole rest of the family, we want to send our best wishes. We're thinking about Chahajkas.

And what a trooper he had done. Remember I said we handed off everything through May, I think, 29th? he had labeled and shipped everything in like two days after that was, was after that stuff was handed off to him. And all that stuff is in the mail. So he's going to be off for a while, as I said, while they're dealing with a lot of various things.

But I think by what I don't have the calendar in front of me, but by the weekend of what is it, the 21st, 22nd, something like that, we're going to be shipping, so we're still open, but we're not shipping until then. A good guy, a very good guy. We joke a lot about his name.

You say awful things about him, but a really good guy. I know, I'm always the one putting him over. You're always the one saying he didn't invent these revolutionary concepts he comes up with. Well, let's not get into facts right now. Real quick, I don't even know if I should say this on there or not, but I just got a package from you with a book. Did you send me this book or did someone send you this book? Remember, I told you this on the air a few weeks ago that our friends Matt and Joanne

Oh, set this book for these books, one for me and one for you. Thank you, Matt and Joanne. Coming soon to the Arcadia Vanguard podcast network. Thank you for the gifts. Send more cash. Well, like I said the other day, I went to cash and check at my bank and they were out of 20s. So every time I mentioned my local store is out of something, people sent it to me in the mail. All right.

was, I think, where we referenced soupy sales. Someone said, when did you reference soupy sales? I think that was it. That was it. A quick update real quick, because it is part of the cult of Cornett family and topics, as you mentioned, before we went on the air. The Crusade for Children Update. This year, the grand total, $5.8 million, that raises them to, in 72 years, 200 and I think 22 or somewhere around there, million dollars. And again, the definition of local television, there used to be, we've talked about every local television talk shows, kids shows, the creature features, the wrestling shows, the telethons, now all it's left is the news.

And that's why nobody has a pleasing television personality anymore because nobody has a place to go to learn how to be a TV personality. unless they would have be a meteorologist or a goddamn anchorman. So, you know, but at least we have this little bastion of local television here. And besides the fact that the only good personalities as hosts are the old folks that did this way back when and learned how to do it. Oh, come on now. Poor Randy Atcher, leave him alone. I didn't say anything. He has been, he has been made more famous around the world by our program,

thankfully, in the last five years or so than, then he was when he was the number one singing cowboy on Louisville television with his sidekick cactus, Tom Brooks. But anyway, was there a number two? There was, no, there was no number two. Randy Atcher was at a class by himself. But the story is the people, bride, the people here, the normal people, the people that will never, ever be on TV except Crusade Weekend.

And that's the ones that I love. And this year, my favorite story, you can turn it on any time and there's firefighters crying and things. I mean, it's just so emotional. But the 65-year-old guy, little old guy, well, he's two years older than me. So I guess I shouldn't say, well, little old guy. He was smaller than me. in a wheelchair

visibly had physical issues, didn't have full use of his arms or either one of his hands and he's in a motorized wheelchair but since 1969 and they had the fire department on he was with him that

he works with but he's gone and collected he goes to stores, he goes to fast food places, he goes to churches, He does the roadblocks with the fire department. This one little old man in a wheelchair in his lifetime has collected $500,000 in cash by himself for the crusader children. It's just fucking amazing. And they, again, there he goes again. Always looking for attention.

Oh, come on now. Hey, Rick. Come on. No. Oh, God, dear. brick city they let they set him on fire down here no hey there was one there was a police chief or not a police chief but a fire fire chief fire department chief at one of the fire departments 10 or 15 years ago that they found out had misappropriated crusade money like a hundred something thousand dollars or

whatever and ho ho he not only after they fired him and charged him and charged him and put him in prison for like four fucking years or five years or something. I think he had to move out of fucking town. How could you not? That was, yeah. But anyway, so the old guy raised a half a mate or whatever, but also they're doing wrestling angles. Who was the number one fire department this year?

Obviously, PRP, Pleasure Ridge Park, the big dogs of the yard. they were the first fire department 70 years ago, and they're always the number one. This year they raised $323,000. But the Fern Creek Fire Department, the chiefs had gotten in a set to on social media or wherever and made a bet and on the telethon because Fern Creek only came up with $208,000.

The chief from PRP got to hit the chief from Fern Creek in the face with a pie. So where else do you get to see stuff like this? this and Monroe Township, just one more note I made, Monroe Township, Indiana is a fire department that serves a community of 5,000 people. Guess how much money they raised? 500,000 people? No, 5,000 people. Oh, 5,000 people. 75,000. $101,000. Because you know what, they're up on the interstate up there. See, the interstate run right through them up there.

They get to people coming and going. They set up the roadblocks and you can't get away. Anyway, thank you, everybody, because there was a bunch of people. John Fell, you charitable bastard, you know you are, and a bunch of people from the cult of Cornette that did heed our call and did donate for the crusade for children, and we appreciate us. That's why I wanted to let you know. and here is how

fucking great this thing is locally. Guess what the electric company kicked in. Louisville gas and electric, a goddamn utility that normally takes our money, $373,000. That is your money. What money do you think they're using to that? No, here's the thing.

Every year the employees contribute as they go and they raise money and whatever the employees come up with, the company matches the whole thing, so they basically double it. They match it out of company funds or under the executives paying for it? Well, out of,

it's Louisville gas and electric, but it's not a goddamn, you know, charity organization. It's a corporation, yes. So they, but I miss, you know what, here's another thing that's wrong with the world, Brian, today.

Nobody has any fucking cash. think about this i mean i'm scared to leave the house without a sufficient amount of cash for the distance or i might be going or time i might be away but most people don't have cash anymore they stick their card in everything even for fucking stamps or chewing gum at the convenience store or whatever and what i miss was they when i was a kid teenager or even up to 20 30 years ago 20 years ago These fucking fire departments would come down Broadway. They'd have all the goddamn money they'd collected at these roadblocks and all year and the lemonade stands and the bake sales and the golf tournaments or whatever.

And they would dump it in these giant glass fish tanks and you'd hear the coins and you'd say and everything was 20 or smaller. But that TV station would have like $2 million easily in cash going through it over course the weekend. And it made for great television. You see them dumping all this fucking money and people are jumping up and down. Now it's like my change jar has more money in it currently down in the TV room because I haven't wrapped it and taken it to the bank in three or four years.

Then they were collecting in these boots because now they've got to think you can take a picture of the code with your phone and give on VMO or whatever. It's not as visual. Venmo. With them too. It's not about it being visual. It's about the easiest way to collect the money and most of the people nowadays.

Well, yeah, but it fires you. It fires you up as a kid. I was always, yeah, yeah, listen, more, more when they were dumping these giant fucking buckets of goddamn cash money into these fucking giant fish tanks and everybody's run around and they're sweating because there's no air conditioning

because we're in black and white because it's back in the goddamn pioneer days. And there's air conditioning. Well, it's been, not in my story. But back you could see all that fucking money and it was goddamn, it was great television. Just the fucking money everywhere.

You just wanted to take your clothes off and just go swimming in it. That's another thing. I always wanted to have, when I was a kid, I always wanted to have a money bin like Scrooge McDuck where I could just jump through. But then I started saving my spare change up in a goddamn empty Kleenex box that my mom had. And in one day, when I was about half full, I piled it all out on the floor.

I was about six. And I jumped into that trying to slide down it a little bit. It was goddamn hard. How the fuck did Scrooge McDuck jump onto literally eight or ten cubic tons of fucking gold and copper and silver and nickel and not fucking hurt himself? Jump onto it.

He was like literally swimming. in it and it would pop up. Yeah, well, you'd have to have some strong shoulders and arms in that also, but just jumping off the diving board. When you hit that right there, that'd be. Someone should try that, send it in. Take all your money and try to jump through it. Yeah, and if I had a dollar, I'd ask my mom for change.

If I had a dollar bill, I wouldn't, because it took up more room, right? It says a bigger pile. Where were you getting a dollar? Did she always have change? well if I ended up having a fucking dollar bill for some reason when I was a kid six seven years old that wasn't a lot to ask of a small child to have a dollar and whenever you had one you ask for change I want to change because that way I could add to my change pile so you get upset if you got quarters well it did you know they're shiny

it could be anything shiny but now remember mama coronet's the one who came up with the idea to go to the bank and get rolls of dimes and quarters and this was in 1969, 1970, whatever, and we would take them home and they'd take them apart and take all the silver ones in 1964 and before of the quarters and the dimes out and put regular new ones back in and take them to the bank and get another fucking, and we ended up, boy howdy, when silver hit $40 an ounce back in, what was it, 1970? 79 or 8 or sometime around there when everybody's going crazy about goddamn gas prices, we cleaned up.

Any thoughts? Any sympathy about the penny going away? Well, to be honest, at this point, I think, you know, because like I said, nobody carries cash. And generally, I've noticed that over the past few years, if you see the need a penny to take a penny take a penny leave a penny whatever the fucking penny thing is called chances are I'm taking a fucking penny out of it rather than leaving one

so I think we can round off to the because now they cost like almost three cents a piece to make so that does seem somewhat inefficient like this program all right like this program well we have a lot to get to a lot to review a lot to talk about We want to just tell the truth today, nothing but the truth.

I guess in order, the first thing would be the WWE AAA spectacular Worlds Collide, which aired live on YouTube, available for streaming thereafter, apparently broke all sorts of numbers for WWE on YouTube. How much of this show were you able to see? Oh, I was able to see all of it. I just wasn't willing to see all of it. I have never been bashful about saying it's not my cup of tea, but at the same time,

the relationship between American wrestling and Lucillebrae has been complicated going back to the territory days and back to the origins of the business in both countries. I think now they may try again, and there may be better success with finding. a crossover audience. Previously, there has not really been a crossover audience

of any sizable amount where you could say, well, the WWE is going to make their fans, fans of authentic Lucha. Or, to be quite honest, the really dedicated fans of authentic Lucha, it's going to be hard to make them WWFANs. the crossover's been tried.

We tried it in Ring of Honor in 2010 and that show in Charlotte. And Adam Pierce knew, oh, goddamn. Whoever it was that was booking a bunch of the luchat talent at the time, and remember we had Blue Demon and legitimate names

because Gary Jester in Charlotte knew a guy who owned like four or five, Hispanic Spanish language radio stations, which was new to me because when I lived there in the 80s, I didn't know they had any. And I don't think they did, but now they did. And so we're like, okay, if we can get

a thousand Ring of Honor fans and a thousand Lucha fans, well, that would be just swell. And this guy at the own the radio station gave us the store. And we had all of the talent come in a day early and do promos on the radio stations in Spanish, and we had dual language posters and blah, blah, blah. And the day of the event came, and instead of a thousand Ring of Honor fans and 1,000 Lucha fans,

we got 994 Ring of Honor fans and six Lucha fans. They didn't fucking come at all. but at the same time, there were some lucha shows in the area that were all lucha that had done several hundred people on an intermittent basis. But they were all lucha fans. There's been a, especially during the territory days, and now there were guys that crossed over, the Guerrero family. And Mosqueras was huge in New York and in, you know, Texas, California.

But a lot of those guys not only were somewhat versed in working with Americans, but the lucha style then was not as, in Mexico wasn't as over the top as it is now, or as it has become like America over the last 20 years. But you couldn't, the straight lucha, which is ingrained in Mexico, which is ingrained in Mexico, and it's what they know and what they're used to, and you don't want to change that. But especially in the territories to American fans, there was a large element of what the fuck is this?

Whether it was from the overly acrobatic gymnastic potentially choreographed style to the over-the-top outfits and the, you know, and the mass and the what the fuck is going on. And it's sort of, it was an international version of, we've talked about so many times, Philadelphia wrestling didn't work in Tennessee, Tennessee wrestling didn't work in Philadelphia.

But now that, I guess, Brian, what I'm trying to say is, the American fan is not saying now, first and foremost, when he sees Lucha, well, that's just some phony bullshit because it's all phony bullshit. The need to have anything look credible has never been lower.

And the fans that want to go to wrestling and just to see a performance, whether it because I mean, let's face it and what we're going to talk about specifically here in a second with Mr. Aguana, it looked like a Saturday

night live sketch. Whereas 50 years ago, the fans would have set seats on fire if you'd put that in Atlanta at the city auditorium. Now they know it's all fun and it's all bullshit and they're there to see the show. Now it remains to be seen whether it will draw any serious money or not still.

But the fans I think of today in America will probably be some of them. Some of them are still going to say what the fuck is this? Because there's a lot of element of what the fuck is this. But they're more predisposed now in America to just watch a bullshit match because it's fun, aren't they? Well, Lucha's style has been incorporated in just about everything over the past 25 years.

Again, this was in L.A., and that's the, you know, L.A. and then maybe Chicago and then New York are probably the biggest markets you could, maybe, you know, I don't know, has there been a big successful Lucha show in South Florida? I'm not sure, but. Well, L.A. San Antonio, you could do something. See, South Florida is, I've been told by people who would know more about it than me, i.e. people of Hispanic descent that in South Florida, they don't like the Mexican folks

as much as they like the Cuban folks and the Puerto Rican folks. So it's a different. Again, we're talking about wrestling, though. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's not like it's something that they grew up with and crossed the border into Laredo, Texas. No, we're over here in Miami and we don't do a lot of Luch. show over here. But the style has been everywhere. Unfortunately, you know,

when you look at the Lucha influence over American wrestling, in a lot of cases, it feels like it's more of Antonio Pena's vision of Lucha than, you know, CMLL or EMLL, whatever they want to call themselves nowadays. You know, that was one of the big takeaways from watching this event.

You're at a point now where you watch these guys, like a psycho clown and whoever his clown partner was, because I never got his name, really. It was just, there was a second clown character. it doesn't seem like it wouldn't fit into American wrestling now. And it wouldn't. Sadly, yeah.

It wouldn't not fit in. Or it would fit in perfectly. Yeah, not a double negative. Yes. And not just AEW. I think that's the other thing. Mr. Aguana, and I don't want to, we'll get into it in a moment, but Mr. iguana was the equivalent of Orange Cassidy showing up on WWET.

And, you know, we would kill and we did AEW for Orange Cassidy. this was WWE having Orange Cassidy. And WWE is not beyond that anymore. WWE is about exploiting anything that will make them money and work, even if it's only for a second. And even if they have to sell stuffed iguanas. But that's the point in general that I'm making about the Lucha American crossover has been tried by numerous companies.

And people are going to say, oh, what about Winworld's Collide, AAA and 19, that was a AAA show in Los Angeles. It wasn't like, and there were Americans on it because the Americans were working in Mexico for AAA at that time. Well, Ron Scholar was really the real mastermind of the reason why a lot of people were on that show that wouldn't typically appear on a show like Tito Santana was on that show. There were some interesting picks, Too Cold Scorpio was on that show.

But that was a AAA IWC Lucha show presented for a Luce. Lucha audience aired to anyone who wanted to buy it. It ended up being one of the best paper reviews of all time. One of the greatest jobs of commentary ever. Mike Teney's debut and Chris Cruz, Chris Cruz's best night as a commentator ever. It was an extraordinary night. And, you know, that was kind of the beginning.

You know, you could say, sure, some of these guys were doing things in the States and sure some of them went to ECW after that. But that was the beginning of the period of time of, I mean, you look at almost everyone. went on that show, they ended up on nitro at some point. Art Bar died. If Arbor hadn't died, he would have been on Nitro or Raw. Well, let's be fair, everybody ended up on one or the other at some point in time

when they had 300 and something guys had a contract between the two companies. But the point is, it wasn't, it was a crossover in terms of WCW presented that pay-per-view. Ron Scholar was the mastermind behind the live event promotion, but it was a, a lucha show promoted for a lucha audience. And they had some successes doing that in the major cities where there was an audience for lucha. L.A.? Again, L.A. was the market. I mean, they did okay in Chicago.

They did okay in New York, I guess. And right now, MLW is doing great in Chicago because they're focusing on the lucha doors and that lucha audience. But the point I'm making is it's very, it's very, it's. rare, if not unheard of, for a legitimate co-promotion of an American company and a lucha company or back in the territory days for any straight Lucha to be on a territory show and for it to get over. It's been two different audiences. This may be, if it's not, it's the best chance ever, if it's not the chance it's going to do it,

it's the best chance ever because the the need for a match to not look like a goddamn Saturday night live sketch is it its lowest ever in the United States of America. Yes. These people just want to see hokey, fucking silly shit. They want to be there for a live audience reaction to whatever they're going to see.

You know, you bring up MLW and it's interesting because I have not watched those shows. I've heard about them. I've heard from people who worked on those shows. And I think it's the opposite of what you had with Ring of Honor. I mean, tell me what you've heard. In Chicago, they're getting the Lucha fans, not the MLW fans. They're getting the CMLL fans.

Yeah, no, there was, it was like, I don't, I can't remember how many of the building holds, but if there was 1,500 people there because it was full, it was like 200 white people there. And, and they, the lucha door, the Lucha brothers, old pet house and Felix. That's right. They were fucking diving everywhere and falling on people's heads back then. But, you know, they were the stars. And then, well, Jacob Fattu, I mean, he appeals to Martians, to anybody. And MJF was on the show and he can get over even, you know, in a fucking iceberg too.

But they were coming. That's who was buying the tickets. Who was selling the tickets was the luchadors. Point being, we shall see. The problem becomes that there is. still a large group of American fans that are going to look at a a luchaman, especially now, because again, I'm not being xenophobic. Would I say this because our country suffers the same thing?

Wrestling matches as a whole look a lot phonier, sillier, and faker than they do 30 years ago, and so do the matches of Mexico. but since there's still the cultural difference, you're going to get a lot of American fans that look and go, what the fuck? If they are not wanting just a silly show for the kids and to laugh at things, the ironic audience like the AEW folks call it,

then they're still going to look at a match like Mr. iguana and friends as, oh, fucking come on. and it's never been faker yet the injuries have never been worse well yeah well and that that's the thing yeah all the matches are fake but everybody's having goddamn spinal fusions but how christ you said it earlier it's like a lucha version of orange cassidy popped up in the wwee vince McMahon that's the one good thing that I could say about Vince McMahon in the course of this podcast is he would have had a goddamn connoption fit and probably hit the ring and fucking thrown that guy out because it wasn't even, I mean, the guy behind the gobbledy gooker, but he didn't want you to make

the business look like a complete Benny Hill fucking sketch. You opened that door. Why don't we just talk about the opening match? And of course, there were multiple competitors, but the one who immediately stood out to people who naturally have never seen him before, the majority of the audience, was AAA star Mr. Iguana. And at this point, the majority of the audience appeared to write to us and say, I can't wait to hear what Jim says about this.

Well, he looked like a green gold dust. If you can visualize this, folks, for those of you who were lucky enough not to have to see this, he's a completely complete. either in a green body suit or green makeup on the hands and the face and the bald head and the weird and he keeps flicking his tongue in and out like he's catching fucking fireflies and his I don't know what would you call that Brian was it a manager a friend a companion of pet what what is the little mine uh I don't know it was a stuffed I presume a stuffed iguana stuffed animal.

Well, not like a real iguana that's been taxidermied, but like a children's play toy. I guess children's plush iguanas are a big seller down there. And, you know, here's the thing, if this was the variety show guy on America's Got Talent or the Ed Sullivan show could be, the 50s could be last year, that does the funny bits while they play the music,

I mean, he's talented. He's talented. But this is, it's not even, I don't know, I still think Orange Cassidy is worse because he's from this country and he's just not even

really entertaining in this fashion. This fucking guy, he's like you said about Harley Cameron. As long as she went to wrestling, she ought to be a ventriloquist on a TV show somewhere or whatever. It's just, it's so ridiculous. I can't work up the disdain or the indignance that most people want me to

because it's just almost like I've thrown the last bucket of water that I can on the burning house. I have fucking made the last fucking call for the fire department. We're just standing around watching the fucking smoke rise up now on the, it's so insulting because if he was just doing the gimmick like a green gold dust and doing his thing but when the other people work with him

in catching and positioning and doing the bits with the fucking stuffed animal yes I like it that he can put his toe under it and kick it up in the air and it'll land on his shoulder well that's neat fuck I wonder if he can spin plates

and keep him but it's not fucking wrestling and everyone's going to think Cornette hates fun you know maybe okay if this was the goddamn fun thing and it would be so different and so unusual that you could look past it

because ah but it's just the latest in a long line of fucking dog and pony shows a goddamn circus side show geeks it so that's what he does is he crawls around on the ground like a lizard

flicks his tongue in and out has bursts of motion where he can actually move around and seems athletic and then does spots with his stuffed iguana the commentators are really

putting them over Oh yeah, they're going to sell stuff to guanas. But I don't know. He's better made for the AEW audience because I can maybe see after a time or two some of the less forgiving WW television crowds if they chose to do that on Raw or Smackdown going, what the fuck?

But if he pops up every now and then, their audience will go crazy. If they overdo it, it'll be another thing. But if all of a sudden they're in L.A. again and CM Punk needs a surprise partner. Oh, Jesus Christ. And out from the back crawls the iguana man. What, stop it. Stop it. Certainly to God, Punk has creative control over lizards in his contract.

There was something so cheap about it that it was intrigued. It was almost like someone went to AI and said, give me an insect eating luchador. and this guy popped up. Is there a magnet? Is it a magnet that makes it stick to his shoulder? What do you think it is? Well, no, I mean, again, he's, he's catching it. He's catching it.

He's got this thing down the way that he's, you know, flipping that thing back and forth. He's like a Harlem Globetrotter with a basketball, except he's got a fucking stuffed iguana. He's worked on this. He's got it down. He's doing it well. He nailed all his shit.

It wasn't like one of the AEW fucking indie crowd goofballs that don't even have their shit together. They just try a bunch of shit and hit half of it. He's good at what he's doing. I just can't stand the goddamn ID's doing it in a fucking wrestling ring. And this was the start of the show after, we'll talk about it afterwards, the opening ceremony, if you saw any of that, that was a spectacle. Well, didn't I hear one of the, the lady that sang the Mexican National Anthem messed up

the words? Oh, I don't know. I actually... I believe somebody said that. It went for a while, and the image of Sean Michaels next to the sister of Antonio Pena was quite...

Oh, my God, yes. She looks like a cross between a bond villain and a Stepford wife, and he looked like a... The cross-eyed kid. The famous old West Gunslinger, the cross-eyed kid.

The cross-eyed kid. I'm going to shoot you and you right between the eyes. But back to Mr. Yes. Immediately there was a Tops card because Tops has a W.W.E. There was a Tops Mr. Aguana card for the pay-per-view event. They had a vignette video for him on Raw showing highlights from the pay-per-view.

Oh, yeah. That's not what you do if you're embarrassed by something or if you don't plan to do more with it. Do you think, I mean, we joke about him. No, I don't think they knew how much reaction it was good to get. I think they obviously knew what they were getting because they put it on the show and they probably thought, well, let's see if he gets over. I don't know if they expected the level of that,

but they've been certainly ready to capitalize on it. Well, we will stay on top of the iguana news and see what happens. But it's just, it's, it's, at this point, how can I get mad anymore? The cause is lost. Would you be madder if it was AEW? Because at least with WWE, there's a chance you may see little kids

dressed up as iguanas buying the iguana merch. and AEW would be for adults. You got a point there and also the fact is if you're going to if you're going to shit in somebody's fucking face make it a good one.

Do it well. Place it properly. I'm just to do a professional job of it. Instead of going out and just doing a bunch of shit that just falls on its ass, at least go out and do a professional job. So that's what they're doing here

with Mr. Aguana. I don't know what else to say. Any of the things? thoughts on the match. No, because all I did was just, I watched it on YouTube, I'll be honest with you. Everyone did. And I skipped through to the parts where the green guy was in the ring so I could see what he was doing. Because again, it's, this is now what, W.W.B, I think they're, another one of their strategies

is they say, okay, our only remote competition, anywhere near us, does wrestling just for people that want to fucking watch guys do a bunch of moves. So now we've got a, you know, major ownership in a company just like that. Let's just get these guys over. And maybe we'll get the Hispanic market too. And they don't particularly care about upholding any wrestling traditions. They just want to sell everything they can get their hands on, including as Christine Jared would say,

the glasses off your own face. Anything that gets any kind of social media buzz, anything that gets any kind of buzz that will sell anything, they're going to jump on. That's TKO and that's WWE, and that was the opening match. As a matter of fact, what is the price of iguana meat per pound these days?

I don't know. Do you think they're going to get into the iguana farming business too? Where is that usually done? Where is that conducted? Well, apparently now it's going to be up in Stanford. Before, I guess, well, Mr. Aguana, where is he from? Would they introduce a mini iguana, like doinkhead dink? Well, no, I think wherever the home base of iguanas is,

ought to be where iguana's hometown is, right? From the, you know... What was this hometown? Did they say it? I don't remember. I didn't think of it now. But from the iguana farm in, you know, in Acapulco, here's Mr. Aguana. That was the opening match. Did you watch any of the women's match? Did they have a women's match on there?

They did with Stephanie Vaccare, who was incredibly talented, I have to say, she's really good. Well, she was on the other show, too. I didn't expect you to watch it, and I'm not surprised you didn't. There was a match with Psycho Clown. Did you see that? No. No, because I watched the main event with Chad Gable versus Vikingo. He-Odel Vikingo. I'm sorry, the son of Vikingo.

and because only again I'm sorry if everybody's mad at me oh you didn't sit down and watch this whole three-hour show they did before the three-hour show they did but one has to have a fucking life and I knew what I was going to be seeing with this one except I will say this Chad Gable needs a raise. Chad Gable needs a raise. Chad Gable needs another medal. Chad Gable needs to, I don't have somebody come and massage him and feed him grapes every night.

This guy can do everything. He has picked up, he's a better luchador than the luchadors. His shit, you can actually buy. It's not just fucking hokey, you know, choreographed routine with him. I would love to see them do something with this guy, even if he had to have a partner that's bigger, that could be his enforcer or whatever.

Drop the comedy, drop the fucking stupid mask. Don't put him in the ring with green horns from Acapulco, and feature this fucking guy. He's one of the most incredible performers they've got. And if you, if you concentrated on it and produced it, well, he has a personality that you could use against main event talent, not only his facials, but his promos and et cetera. And what is your personal fucking,

viewpoint of Viking O great one? Well, you know, I appreciate anyone who has taken on the stylings of bow, wow, wow. That haircut. No, I think he's small, but he's talented. And I saw this in the past when he wrestled Kenny Omega and AEW. Suzanne actually stopped and started watching. He, because of what he was doing, caught her attention. Now, it seemed like some of the things today, oh, today, at this event took a little

bit of time to set up and balance himself. Sometimes they seem maybe unnecessary. But again, you're going for pops. You're going for big spots to get big pops. I don't mind him. He seems very happy. Very nice guy. He seems like the kind of guy you want to root for.

I mean, if he only had a real name, instead of, that's vikingo. He doesn't seem anything like a Viking. They just had Viking warriors there. I thought those Vikings rode to big horses and had the fucking armor and all those stords and shit here's the problem yeah he's very athletically talented and it takes a while to set some of that shit up which is again why that there's a fucking gap between american wrestling and lucha with the american fans going

what to just fucking move but but also here's the problem i'm not even talking about as a as a talent that can connect with people. I see the difference in Gable's small too, but that's not probably, he's a great shape and he's an Olympic athlete. So right, nevertheless. Fucking Vikingo's face or his lack of face and his,

he's like a male lyric, Valkyria or whatever. It just, she looks like she ought to be a clerk at a pet shop. the look on the face he's not connecting with people she doesn't it's just i'm doing these spots i'm doing this performance i'm in this routine and every once while you'll smile as you said but i don't you know he's not going to if if it's for a spanish speaking audience he's going to be able to talk to him if it ain't he's not

and i just see a guy with a bland fucking face i don't see a person I don't see a and also like you said the name if he had somebody's actual name that would help him in America but it would hurt him in Mexico because the lugidors

most of them don't have a goddamn name well I mean all of have you know what I'm saying you don't have Fred Smith is not their name so I there's it depends on what the audience is what audience is what audience

they're broadcasting for what they're aiming for, but there's going to be some clash among some of these audiences on some of these televised events, much like I mentioned, in AEW when they're doing the Grand Slam Mexico thing, and they got MJF and Mystico. And depend on, if I was to have that match, I'd have two completely different matches

for Mexico and for the United States. But if it's on their big show, they're just going to have one fucking match and everybody's going to see it. So there's going to be some issues with all of this stuff. But I love Chad Gable. I love Chad Gable.

That was your match review? That's it? Oh, well, and again. Gable got beat again. What did you think of it? the apron spot? What did you think of the apron spot? I zoned out on a lot of this, be honest with you. Canadian destroyer on the apron. Oh, oh, that's...

Off the low. Off top row. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of stupid, too. That was... Yeah. Go ahead. You've got... Well, it's, you've got a fucking guy. It could be a real asset in Gable. It could be a real asset to your television program, either raw or Smackdown, where your primary audience is, the United States. States, but yet this

fucking, this guy that again, to the audience in Mexico, they love him. And if the match was just being seen in Mexico, I'd have him beat Gable and hang him up and fucking wear him out like a pinata. But it's being seen everywhere.

And now you've got a personality on your show that's been beat by this little fucking mope-faced Mexican fellow to the American fans. It just, it's a worlds collide all right and Gable has picked this style of workup

better than I can't believe how good but at the same time it just showed that every possible goddamn thing that he could do couldn't beat this fucking guy and the guy beat him and again it was a room that was really into it so if you're watching it you're watching someone you presume is a big star there because of the reactions

beat Chad Gable you know as good as Chad Gable is it's not like Vikingo beat Seth Rollins. You know, it's not like he beat... Well, no. But it's also Vikingo. But he's the mega champion. That was the Bell Omega hat.

Did he beat Kenny Omega for that belt or how'd that happen? Boy, now, that tickles me. Yeah, that's the point. The point is that the average American fan who is not of the, oh, I want to watch a bunch of guys do the goddamn trapeze variety, would look at Vikingo and say, he's their fucking champion, the people who are attuned

to the, whether it be the Hulk Hogan or Rick Flair era or the Steve Austin and the Rock era, or the Triple H era, the John Sina era, or the era today of at least his goddamn Brock Lester, Seth Rollins, Cody Rhodes, Roman Reigns,

and they look at Vikingo and go, he's the guy? Then who's the flunkies? Mr. Aguana? Should Mr. Aguana? Should Mr. Aguana be the guy? Mr. Aguana should be the guy. Would you have a problem with Mr.

Aguana going over Chad Gable on this card? Oh, God damn it. If that had been the first time you saw, not in the opening batch, but crawling to the red for Chad Gable. For Chad Gable? I would have said, why don't we just pissed his mouth while he's down there?

Poor Gable. Fuck. It's just, it's a hopeless cause. One last question about all this, does the WWE AAA relationship producing this event, which got a lot of attention. Does that help AEW at all going into their CMLL? What do they do?

They do not worlds collide. It is WorldZet. No, not WorldZam. Grand Slam. No, they have a World's End. They have a World's End. That's their end of the year show. Well, yes, but not in Mexico.

No. I don't think anything that the WWE is doing right now as helping AEW. I don't think anything AEW is doing right now is helping AEW. They're going to take over the world and they're going to hold every

major city hostage for rights fees and they're going to be selling iguanas to your children. And they're going to drop that city of another city pops up with a bigger rights fee. Exactly. Well, that was AEW. That was AAAA.A.A.A.A.A.

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Yes. Uh, not pay-per-view. That was my second favorite match, by the way. Uh, you didn't say anything about it? Well, I haven't yet because we haven't talked about it. Oh,

you mean, if you're a second favorite match on this money in the bank, well, yes. We're here to talk about money in a bank, money and that, da, da, but we're here to talk about money in the bank.

And let's talk about money in the bank and let's talk about money in the bank. You know, God damn it, if I had more money in the bank, I wouldn't have watched this, son of a bitch. what was it Dusty said one time to the guys in developmental? His events better be glad I'd save my money. They were in Los Angeles at the Intuit Dome. Does that mean if you go in the Intuit Dome,

does that mean you get more intuition, Brian? No, unfortunately not, apparently. It, uh, they, the money in the bank pay per view, of course, they opened with the women's money in the bank contest, and because I don't know different ways. I should learn a foreign language, so I could say the same thing differently every time, whether it's hell and a cell,

whether it's Royal Rumble, whether it's money in the bank, whether it's whatever, they have to have the women's before they have the men's, and it just fucking takes the piss out of it on both, of them for me. I don't know why this is a difficult concept

to understand. We do something twice, the exact same thing just with different people on a same show. Jesus Christ. And then what have we been talking about for the past

three weeks now on most of the shows? One of these days, one of these people is going to fucking really fuck themselves up bad or somebody else. And so they put six girls out there to attempt to work with ladders that are twice as big and twice as heavy as they are.

And everybody's got to do a stunt. Or what'd your kids call them used to the tricks? Everybody's got to do their tricks. And then by the time that the women's ladder matches are with you've seen all their tricks, then the guys have to come out. and do more tricks with the fucking ladder and attempt to paralyze themselves. And there's no, I guess these people now, I'm talking about the current talent and or the

current producers, they think this is a wrestling match with the ladders and the baby faces versus baby faces and heels versus heels. and let's just put everybody of every sex in there and see what we can fuck up. But how do you critique this, Brian? As a man, it doesn't have any, it's people doing moves and tricks with ladders. There's no continuity, nobody gets over.

It's just a mess until it's over with. Well, I enjoyed it. I really liked it a lot. And again, there's a story. They're trying to get the briefcase. And everyone has their little thing when they're trying to get up there and get the briefcase and you get some crazy spots. I like this match better than the men's match, which goes to part of what you were complaining

about having them both on the same show. But I actually really enjoyed this. Well, in this case, because the men's match was so weak for its own reasons, but... I'll tell you this, and it hit me... The last couple weeks it's hit me, and then this and then Raw. For the first time maybe ever, I'm enjoying and more into the women's stuff than the the men stuff in WWE. And I really like this match.

And it's some good workers in there for the women's divin. Ria Ripley's in there, right? That, that, I'm not, I'm not saying, I'm saying, hey, I didn't like the men's either. Six people with the fucking ladders and the fucking multiple ladders and the goddamn blah, blah, blah. What do you think of Naomi being the person who won?

Well, as you will recall, I said, and here's the thing, you can tell it as soon as the entrance started or the entrances i should say started they liked everybody but when ria came out she brought to house down the whole mood change she's a star on the level of the top guys not just the top girls but as we mentioned in a perfect world she'd win but i said they're doing the thing with naomi right now i mean let's face it i don't say wasn't going to win. Stephanie Vacker, even if she's good, she wasn't going to win. Roxanne Perez wasn't

going to win. And Alexa Bliss would have been a long shot. So it came down to and I don't think Ria needs it at this point. She's fucking over and as long as they don't do anything really stupid she's going to be over.

But the best thing I can say about this was I was afraid it was going to go 45 minutes and it only went 25, bell to bell, that is. But they were 18 minutes into the show, but with the entrances and everything before the match started. But I just can't.

I just can't. Have you seen any of the complaints online? Because I just started seeing this really a little more than, we've seen it every now and then, but more than usual, like frequently lately, fans complaining there's only one family that seems to win everything in WWE right now. whether that's fair or not

you know it's an interesting thing that now fans are jumping on that Naomi I think has been pretty good as a heel beyond the work well as good as if they're going to talk about the refrigerator, Nea Jacks or they're going to talk about what's her name being the general manager of NXT

of Ava Ava Ava I was going to say Jaja then they got a point, but they can't really, because again, Naomi was the only other one who was going to witness besides Rhea. So they can't really make a point like that here. And give them a little bit of credit, I was so afraid,

since the beginning of this year when they started teasing the Wyatt Six coming back, and then they came back, and then they started teasing, or Alexa Bliss reappeared, it hasn't been as spooky as it would have been during Vince. Like, I'm not a fan of Alexa Bliss. She was probably the one person in the match I'm not a fan of.

But it's not like we get the over the top, I don't know what you call it, horror film, suspense film, puppetry, whatever it is, kind of stuff that I was afraid of at the beginning of this year when the Wyatt Six reappeared, it kind of hasn't happened at all. And be thankful for small favors. But that's, you know, that's kind of the thing is, I think, as a theme to this, pay-per-view. The men's money-of-the-bank match was the kind of the same as that you knew only one of a couple of people were going to win the thing.

And, you know, otherwise they just put people in there because they have to. And I'm sorry if everybody's mad because I don't like all. I'm sick of the furniture. I'm sick of the tables and the ladders and the chairs and the ridiculousness and the multiple person matches, which is the ultimate. lazy booking. At one point, if you would have

had a multiple person match, it would have been because the situation demanded it, the angle demanded it. People were involved and they all were upset at each other, not, oh, we're going to have a bunch of three ways, and the winner of the three ways gets to go into a six

way, over and over, and over. And it's all the same and I'm so fucking tired of it. So that was the women's money in the bank ladder match to me. I'll tell you, I actually, I enjoyed that match, like I said. I really enjoyed it. I enjoyed just about everything on this show with the exception of the main event tag match.

The men's money in the bank wasn't as good as this one, and it wasn't a surprise who won. But still, I think everything except for that tag match at the end, for me, everything else kind of worked. Well, the tag match without a... rotten finish to the level of that would have worked also. But yeah, again, it's a five-match show. It's a little over three hours and 15 minutes or whatever. So you 18 minutes into the show, the bell rings for the first match. It goes 25 minutes of them doing tricks with the ladders.

And then we get a nice 15-minute break where they can sell us a bunch of stuff and show the luchadors at ringside, including Mr. Iguana. And then they showed the angle from Worlds Collide with Dominic shot with Octagon Jr. to add the

Intercontinental Title match. And I got to be honest with you, you know, this may have been my favorite match. Because there was something else wrong with everything else. Is he the most improved wrestler ever? Dominic Mysterio?

Well, I don't know if he's the most improved wrestler or he's the most improved personality. There's still better wrestlers, but nobody has... But I mean, yeah, he was... Well, that's why I'm saying. Nobody's gone from being, God, I hate that fucking goofy kid of Ray Mysterios to, oh, well, this guy's a fucking star. But that's the thing is they shot an anger.

for the match between Dominic and Octagon Jr. Dominic can work both ways. He can work American style and he can work Lucha style. And Octagon Jr., he wasn't bad. They started at 100 miles an hour, but Dominic cut him off a little bit, gives some good old-fashioned heel work. Octagon, again, very athletic, made a comeback,

Liv Morgan distracted. Dominic hit the 619, a splash off the top rope. And 1, 2, 3, a good preliminary match, a good win for Dominic Mysterio. It shows one of the luchadors in a positive light. There was two guys in the ring having a wrestling match. They didn't use furniture. I don't know what is. It's my favorite match because it was the only actual fucking match

that didn't go into ridiculous amounts. of bullshit in, you know, their various finishes. I mean, everybody's going to say, well, it was just a preliminary, and they didn't do any fucking furniture. Yeah, that's why I liked it on the wrestling show. Anyway, tear it up now, tear it apart. I liked it. I enjoyed, again, I enjoyed this.

I think everything with Dominic and Liv Morgan is a home run usually. Even if, like, the match is imperfect, it's the most world-class element of anything, just chaotic characters moving around ringside. And it just feels really, like, one of the few things that works in WWE for me right now. And they got the, what's her name, Roxanne Perez Angle now with her and Liv. And Raquel, Raquel just returned. Rochelle, Rochelle. Well, they got rid of Carlito.

But no, I think Dominic Wisterio is one of the highlights of WWE. He has been all year. argue he's been for years, but specifically this year, remember, the fans completely embraced him at what, WrestleMania? He's been one of the highlights, and Liv Morgan, you know, again, watch her on Raw, watch her here, everything she does is great. She's one of the best women wrestlers they've ever had. Well, and somebody wrote in and I don't have it in front of me, so I don't have their name, I'm sorry, but apparently Dominic was either number one or number two in terms of most dates wrestled during the course of the year in the WW.

So he's still, because remember we were talking a couple weeks ago, that's why they wrote, he still wants to improve, he's still working, everybody else goes home and sits and waits for their call to come. He was number two with 12 dates worked. Oh, come on now. No, he was like 150 or something.

He did everything. Anyhow, so then the next match, how just the third match of a five-match card we've had 25 minutes of women and five minutes of men so now we got some more women for the women's intercontinental title it was becky lynch against our friend lyric the bird lady the crazy bird lady as Becky calls her and it's weird when the heel says something like yeah I agree yeah yeah and see here's the thing, and I'm sorry for the wrestling purists out there that I'm not going to break these matches down blow by blow and examine the psychology, but just in an overall, in a general fashion. Here's the thing.

Becky Lynch, big women star, not as big as she was at one time. She was hotter back then, but she's established she's a star. Lyrick, this ain't going to work. work. Not only the fucking wings, okay, not only the outfit and the name that's unwieldy and people in fucking Paddy's Port, Mississippi are going to go, what? But watch her work when she enter, when she comes out, when she's facially, she looks scared to death. There's no expression. There's no energy. When Ria comes out for the fucking entrance, she's got the facial, she's doing a thing. when Liv comes out

with a Chelsea Green is she's silly as fuck but she's animated she's committed to it yeah she's committed this girl looks scared shitless no expression no energy she's not being sexy

she's not being cheerful she's just she looks like she's second guessing herself why am I here do you see that I agree with you. I mean, I don't think she's untalented in the ring.

I think she is, but I think she doesn't exude confidence. And there you go. They're trying to get her to exude anger, all sorts of things right now. And again, this whole Becky thing is just in the end to get her over, get her over more. And I think she's talented, but, you know, it's like, it's not as bad as Damien Priest, but it's kind of like that thing. Something's amiss. Maybe drop the wings.

I mean, that's again the first thing. Well, but also the personality, the connect, the be happy to be. She again looks, I think I said earlier, she looks like she ought to be a clerk in a pet shop. She's a normal person. She ain't showbiz. She's just coming out there in a fucking costume. And I mean, if her work was off the charts impressive to wear, you know, some of those other things wouldn't matter, but I don't see that either.

And I know that she and Becky are friends or country women or whatever, but it ain't working. It's like a low-fat twinkie. It's there, but there's not much to it. Even the people were trying to be polite. Becky's trying. But there's no pizzazz to this young lady. She almost lost her top 30 seconds in. Did you see that?

had to have the referee tied back up for. I told you. I'm really enjoying the women's division lately. Well, I was about to say, that might have helped her. That might have helped her. But 15-minute match, Becky rolled her up and pulled the tights and won the title. And then as per pre-match agreement stipulation, lyric had to raise Becky's hand. And when she was doing that, if you go back and watch it, anybody that cares enough, That'll be three people out there.

She's supposed to be trying to milk it and sell it like, I don't want to have to raise your hand. Oh, God, and kind of holding her nose and being forced to do it. Yes, I agreed or whatever. She was making all kinds of weird faces, but I'm not sure they were faces that fit that fucking, but she was just making weird faces and stand around her head down. I don't think she's comfortable on television.

I don't think she knows what to do. I mean, go back and look at those faces. It's just odd. It's just odd. And then she put the belt on Becky and then German suplexer. So this is not over. The bad feelings have not been settled yet. Do you believe, do you believe Becky on the mic?

I mean, Becky's talented and Becky could spit stuff out. But does it always come across like she's performing? forming or do you believe her? I think she's better than average. I don't think she's, you know, the greatest female promo ever in history, but I think she's better than average. And I think

that when when she was on that run, they believed that it worked. And I think now that she's been back, I think everything else has kind of moved on and some of the things are reaching these days. Does that make any sense?

I think so. Again, we'll talk about Raw later. But that was Maggie Lynch versus Lyra. Is it Lyra? Lira. Is it Lyra or Lira? Lira about Kirah. I think it's Lyra.

I don't, well, I think that it depends on what kind of change you get, what country you're in. Well, that was the Lira. That would be Pesos. Intercontinental Women's title match and a title of change. Yes, it certainly was a mouthful there. Speaking of bad actresses, there was a cardactress. there was a Kardashian ringside with some weird looking face tattooed

fucking guy. That's the drummer from Blink 182, Travis Barker. He was in a plane crash years ago. Is that, did he get the tattoos to cover up all the scars? I think he had a lot of them before the plane crash. It was just, you know, maybe... Well, then they couldn't tell how bad he was hurt.

That's why he looks so painfully thin. This is like TKO's dream. We're in L.A. we got a Kardashian. Someone got a bonus. Hey, everybody in L.A.'s had a Kardashian. hadn't they? See, I mean, seriously. Well, they're getting older.

They're not young anymore. Just do the math. Well, these things add up. Where are we going to the next match? Where were we going? Well, that was the women's, uh, your content of the match. Again, I think it was a good match.

The next match was the men's money in the back match. Here, boy. And here we've, we went completely. Actually, no, the finish here was worse than the tag match finish. I'm sorry, I miss, misremembered because this just went completely off the rail. So now we've, an hour ago, we had six girls with ladders trying to climb it. Now we get six guys with ladders trying to climb him.

Seth Rollins, Penthouse, and by the way, Penthouse is, he was Pinta when I was giving him a chance in the WWE. Now that he's tried to assassinate Chad Gable, he's back to Penthouse. and of course Gabel Americano Andrade Solo and L.A. Night and I was a fucking hell the star power in this match

it's not a pay-per-view fuck it. This is a TV match but they don't they don't have to do anything else. They don't have to haul their big boys out there and beat them because they were sold out, standing room only turn them away, people, giving sperm samples to come in the fucking door.

They're collecting goddamn everything from people. Do you know that, Brian? Well, did you see there was a bunch of people sending around photos saying, oh, look at these empty seats. Look at how many empty seats there are for this. And then other people were saying, no, the Intuit Dome has like really well-financed lit seats. So I'm like, I don't know what the hell's go back.

I know what you're announcing. Do you know what it was? And I thought the same thing. But if you go back and look, they have. had the arena lit with all their standard lighting treatment, but they also had like a light on the back or somewhere on every seat in a goddamn building. Right.

And because you had that, it was like a blue, as I remember, where you had that shining at you, you couldn't see the people sitting in them. When they would turn, because at first, at the first of the show, I thought, well, my God, is there a traffic jam? There's nobody in the fucking, seats up there.

And then when they would change the lighting, you'd see people were sitting there. I don't know the stage covered some area. I'm not saying the entire building was sold out, but where you could see those lights on the seats on the camera, it made it look like that there weren't people there. It made the people disappear. That was a rare miscue for them.

But that's the thing, is that they're sold out, they're fucking charging all this money, blah, blah, blah, and you've got out of these six guys, who could potentially win? Seth Rollins was by far, I think we said the favorite.

You know, L.A. Knight never wins the big one, even though people want him to. And Solo might have been a real long shot. They might think Pinnhouse is going to win this, or Gable, or Andrade. So 10 minutes of entrances And then The same thing with guys

As it was with girls. A lot of people doing stuff with ladders. Gable accidentally hit Andre in the fucking nuts with his ladder. And it didn't look like Andre was happy about that. And again, it's the modern audience, especially at a big city like that. They're taking turns,

disappearing so the two of the guys can get in the ring and do a stunt with a ladder. And while they're doing stunts with ladders, the fans are chanting, we want tables. It's come to this. So they did stunts over and over. You can't cheer for somebody to win and beat the guy he's mad at

because there's 18 people in this thing. and you're not really hoping that somebody to loses, it's watching to see if somebody gets hurt. And going into the fucking finish of the thing, poor L.A. Knight tried to do the boomerang on Gable so that Gable could boomerang up and climb up the ladder to climb up and jump over to another ladder to jump over. But there wasn't enough room.

He couldn't extend his legs. He'd have enough room to fall back. so Gable just crawled up and anyway and rode the second ladder to the third ladder and climbed up and head-budded penthouse with the steel plate and his mask. And then L.A. night gave Gable a belly to back off the ladder, which that was a goddamn hell of a bump.

And then they, again, Seth was trying to climb, but more interfered and they were all fighting on the ladders. And suddenly both of the bronze. came out, Bronn Breaker and Bronson Reed. And remember now, Brian, it's no disqualification. Very important to remember that. So they speared Gable and they beat up L.A. Knight and they beat up Andrade in front of the referees because it's no disqualification. And then Braun speared L.A. night and Reed splashed Andrade. And Solo was out there begging off for him. And then, then they play music, and here comes Jacob Fattu and J.C. Mateo.

And now they've just given up on the fucking match. There are people making entrances to get in fights with other people, and none of them are even in this fucking match. Hey, I was more interested in seeing Jacob Fattu and J.C. Mateo fight Bronon and Bronson than it was the match. Well, I know, but it didn't do the goddamn match any favor. That's what I've said. They just, they just give up.

on the match these days now to just do this stuff and it's no DQ so that's all okay and they had a four way in the ring with the four guys not in a match and all the guys in a match were just laying around on the floor and then bronze speared jc through the barricade and fatu gave a pop-up simoan drop to Bronson Reed, which was quite impressive, and a big dive on Mateo, and then Fatu rolls solo in and sets up the ladder. And Solo hugs Fatu. It's, oh, yes, perfect. And he starts to climb the ladder.

And Fatu's guarding the ladder so nobody can get solo. And then Fatu grabs Solo's leg. and now they do the milking and the slowly I turn to the what. And of course, since they have 20 hours of programming a week, we might not have mentioned last week, but on Smackdown, Jacob Fatu in the darkness of the bowels of the building had overheard solo telling his boys, hey, his fucking Jacob, you know, we'll use him, but, you know, we run this thing.

and if he gets out of line, we'll take care of all that stuff. So Fatu knows this. So Fatu, when he's grabbing a hold of Solo's leg, he looks up and he says, Solo, I hate you. And he pulls Solo down and super kicks him and moonsaults him. And then rock bottoms him through the fucking ladder. And the people are going crazy. but of course it does beg the question why did he come down beat everybody else up okay so that he'd have a clear path at solo

why then did he set the ladder up to start letting the solo cloud okay creative license but it seems kind of abrupt that he just did it right there but at least he did it and then he left And we have literally been away from the match that is still going on for like six or seven minutes. And then Seth slides another ladder back in and climbs it. But L.A. Knight pulls him down and starts climbing. But Seth pulls him down and stomps him. And then Seth climbs up and gets the briefcase. And the people cheered.

The people cheered. the heel, the man who wants to, you know, do a power grab and, along with Heyman run the company, but they cheer when he got the case. Was it just they were relieved it was over, Brian? Yeah, it was an interesting reaction, wasn't it? I don't know about that, because I think they were. They don't care anymore. They just like everything.

There's no heat. There's no heels. They're just going to cheer all these people doing his stuff and then go home. I think the fans were happy They enjoyed the match But they were happy That someone won, that it was a star The only other one that I think would have made people happy

Was L.A. Knight Yes. More and more fans are complaining about his booking. Have you noticed that? Well, yeah, they have been. But it has increased, though, because it keeps going on that every time he goes out there

to people want to see him do whatever it is he's trying to do and he never does. And maybe now that their first, fucking, you know, mission has been accomplished. Maybe they'll get on the LA night bandwagon now. What do you think are Rawlins having the case?

I think it's perfect with what we've seen on Raw that we'll get to shortly. And with, you know, again, more directions they can go. But I thought it was pretty much the only thing they could do to begin with. Except, like I said, if, you know, there was a dark horse candidate, It might have been, well, really, now that I look, you know, you can't, you couldn't have had anybody but Seth witness thing. Even solo in some kind of heel fuck or whatever. And at least this saved solo that Jacob was responsible. But that was about the only thing they could have done.

What do you think of solo? He went from being like a fearsome mute. bodyguard the hapless comedy figure. Well, that's, I mean, again, I hate to keep saying this, but I said that when Solo first showed up, you know who ought to be doing this, Jacob Fatu. Solo didn't fit to picture of the street fighter crazy guy that, you know, was going to be the enforcer,

but Jacob did. Now as Solo, I think with the other flunky bloodline people, Solo can be the boss, but he can't be the... Where's Tomatanga? Well, more importantly, where's Tonga Loa? See, now that's the question we've got to be asking. But are there with J.C. Mateo and if Tomatanga shows back up, and if Tonga Loa hadn't been deported or whatever,

that could be a group and Solo can be the... the befuddled guy running that, but I don't see him dangerous anymore on a singles basis. Well, the danger was still in the air because we had another match. Oh, boy. And I have to say, before we start this match,

obviously there's been a lot of critiques everywhere, not just us about the SENA title run, feeling off, the booking feeling off. You know, watching this match, I have to say, he's not good in the run. he's not he's just he's you know he's one of the biggest stars ever he connects with people but his actual work is i don't even know sloppy's the right word it's almost like very careful nothing touches anything yeah i don't know let's keep your critique of this one

he's being he's being very careful and very safe and not only he doesn't want to hurt anybody else, but I think even more importantly at this point, he don't want to get hurt. And John's seen a psychologically, psychology-wise, he knows everything to do. And he's doing those things. But the problem is, as you mentioned, most of those things do not look convincingly performed anymore because of his, I mean, and again, I never said that, CETA was Terry Funk or fucking, you know, whatever. But he was younger and more athletic.

And he could hit the ground harder. And he could make a little bit more contact. And again, I know that he said he wasn't tanning because of skin cancer awareness, but there's the fake shit. It's just he looks. I mean, we've done the, you know, Jim Varney jokes. And Ernest goes to the. old folks home.

He looks odd is what I'm trying to say between being pale and being older and just the youthful gimmick dress that doesn't fit him anymore the whole nine yards. But he knows what to do, but everybody's being easy with him and he's being easy with himself physically. And I guess you can't blame him. If I was, well, I'm worth the money I'm worth right now. I wouldn't take a bump on purpose, but that the entrances

and introductions of this thing were 15 minutes. So again, we talked about the AEW shows going for four to half close to five hours and just match, match, match, match, match. They never stop. Whereas these,

the fifth match was going into rig. It was two hours and 40 minutes into the show. And then almost, 20 minutes by the time we got the entrances and the introductions done. And I mean, I like Logan Paul with the drone.

It's like a fucking trained bird. Is he doing that or is somebody doing that? How do they get it to come back to him and land on his hand like that? You're a technological expert. Yeah, someone's controlling it. I don't think he's doing it. Someone else is doing it. Well, I thought you could just say, come to me, my little

my little drone bird. it would fly over there. But they started the thing, and I wrote immediately, Logan Paul and Uso back and forth, Sina in, stuff looks like shit, but fans into it.

They do the dueling chance, and the people live in the building are looking over it, and he does almost nothing, but it gets over with the people there because it's the right thing to do at least at the time, I you know they're they're not looking at the the state of it yeah that's I'm just telling you

and it turned into a spot show match I thought that John was back at St. Teresa's gym where they're just you know they're just doing some spot show shit nothing's it's the furthest thing from flying off the top rope right now through furniture they were going to do a little bit of that later on but then Cedon and Logan Paul started tagging themselves in with the backslap and getting pissed, hey, I didn't want to get out, what are you doing?

And Cina's like, I'm trying to teach you and they're shoving each other and that gives Jay a chance to tag Cody. So he makes a big comeback. And then they stop him and get more heat on him now. Oh, fuck. Because they had cut Jay off within the first two minutes of the start of the match.

I mean, we used to spend a little more time and getting the people invested in the baby faces, but now I guess just get to the meat of the matter. And then they started going into the more heavy, bigger momentum, false finish stuff. Cody hit a crossroads on Sina, but Logan Paul came off the top, try to save, but he splashed Sina instead. Jay Speared Logan Paul. Everybody was down. Sina and Jay Uso had an awkward exchange.

Because now everybody's timing was off there. And then Logan Paul got on a top rope and called his drone. And it landed on him, but Cody jumped up and superplexed him with the drone in his hand. And I was getting seasick at that point trying to figure out which, way was up from that camera angle. And then they have to go out to the desk. Let's make up for the first 20 minutes by breaking a lot of furniture. So Sina was going to, I guess, put Cody off table one through table two, but Jay ran and

speared Sina onto the table. And then Logan Paul moonsaulted off the top rope through Jay Uso on the fucking desk. And how much distance did he get? That was crazy. It'll have 15 feet. That was nuts. Had to be. Yeah.

And I mean, he may be a dick, but you got to say he's committed. It was fuck that. That's going to be, that's going to be the name of his restaurant, the committed dick. Hey, you know, there is actually a goddamn dish. I don't know. Okay. There's a canned. Listen to me now.

I've got it here on my, I can't reach it with my headset on. I got it in the store, in the grocery store. store over in the United Kingdom. It is a can of what is called spotted dick. And that's a food product over there, apparently. But anyway, so Sina gets the title belt and nails Cody with it. And suddenly a hooded man hits the ring and a black hood and a black shirt and everything. And he tackles Sina and starts wailing away on him. Boom, boom, boom. And he starts wailing away on him. boom, boom, boom, and he stands up, and he pulls off the hood,

and he pulls off the ski mask, and it's our truth. And the place comes unglued. They're beside themselves. And he grabs the title belt and hits Sina ahead, and boom, and he takes off, and Cody is back in and hits the crossroads. One, two, three, Cody beats Sina

with the assistance of the returning our truth. And that is the only thing that made this fucking match. They've hit something, which we're going to talk about here in a minute. But that was the best thing they could have done and the right thing to do. And it got over like crazy, but the rest of this match was somewhat dreary. And that's the truth.

Was that belt anywhere near Sina's head? About six, eight inches away. I mean, nobody, they're treating him like he's a Faberge egg. And I mean... I heard it's changing his name to Tomohiro Sina. Well, there's an element I can understand because he's 50 years old. He's got to do this 18 more times this year. And it could be a serious plan fuck up if somebody drops him on his head.

But holy free holy. I'm just, is a little, is a little off as a match, but the finish, you know, the finish wouldn't actually that great either except for Our Truth. Everything else was kind of, eh. But I don't, am I being too hard on it?

No, you're not. The whole thing was about the Our Truth moment, and that was a great pop and a cool moment and a cool surprise. Is Cody Rhodes as cooled off as he's been since he's been there? Well, This was the thing they had to do to have Cody beat Sina here. But boy, it does seem like that there's something missing.

And he did a good promo the other night. And he continues to do good with what he's doing. But he didn't do a lot. He needs a few that fans will be invested in. The fans are not invested in him chasing Sina. Is this even him chasing Sina? I don't even know if that's what we would classify this. They were invested in him going after Rollins.

They were invested in him going after the bloodline. He lost the belt, and it just seems like, and then he disappeared off TV. He just showed back up, and they said this was his first match since WrestleMania, and it's a tag team match, and yes, he beat Sina, but then the next night on Raw, they announce a completely different direction. So I don't think it's done Cody any favors here the last couple months. I think Rock may have, Rock did him an inadvertent favor last year.

But I think this time he stuck his nose in and this time he was able to do some damage. Look, there were signs that it wasn't as creative. It wasn't, the TV wasn't as good as it had been in just a little, a few months earlier. But it wasn't anything crazy. But that Rock thing, I'm out of a bit. Blaming the Rock completely, although obviously everyone knows what I do blame him for when it comes to stuff there. But that moment is almost just like a milestone that kicked off a feeling of banality around the entire company. Not that there aren't people and things that stand out, but like since then.

And then the long run up to Mania and Mania is going to be now, it's in Vegas again next year. It's going to also be like the middle of the month. Late April. I think that's probably going to be Easter again, isn't it? Something. It'll be some holiday. Same exact days. Yeah.

So I don't know. Something around there just clicked where, again, guys can have individual great performances, but everything to me doesn't feel as must watch as it had. For a lot of the stuff, I'm content just going to the pay-per-views. I've enjoyed the women's stuff more, but this main event picture, you know, Sina sometimes gets me because he does like a good convincing. He's like a really great in-ring yeller. Like when he raises his voice, it stands out.

It's really good. But then he does like 10-minute promos. And then he always gets beat up in the promo. I don't know. I'm kind of down on everything, but that rock appearance with Sina and Travis Scott, that kind of is like the, you know, we joked about it. That was the bump in the road.

That was where they started, they tripped. That was Vince McMahon shaking hands with Steve Austin at WrestleMania, it turns out. We'll see, I mean, we'll see what happens, but... I don't know if it's that bad. We'll see. That was bad. When I started doing all their pay-per-views in Saudi Arabia, we'll see. But that was Money in the Bank.

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Jim, before we go on with more reviews, just so much more. We have a bit of a follow-up on something we just talked about. I have sent you a link. I don't know for sure you'll be able to open it. You may have to X out of something and ask you to join. It's a Facebook link for a video. We recently had a question about a wrestling named Flesh Gordon. Do you remember that?

Oh, yes, yes, I do. And we thought it was the old porn. film, but apparently there was not only a wrestler named Flesh Gordon, well, you would have thought that too, but there was more than one, Flesh Gordon. Well, and that's the video I've

sent you, apparently someone, because it's not on YouTube, I was looking for it, someone has what is deemed, or what has been billed as a tryout match footage, a tri- Oh, good Lord. I've just clicked on it, and I'm watching it right now. Oh.

And the guy looks like he's trying to be Scotty Steiner. He's got the gimmick, bleached blonde mustache and beard and the short hair, and he's a jacked up muscle guy. But somebody had this, somebody had this on Twitter the other day, and it's like a one-minute clip or whatever.

I think this was, this had to be early 2000s because this was after I was there. I did not see this match. I wasn't at the TV. see it, but this guy, it's like he's never been in a ring before. And the other guy that he's working with doesn't particularly look like he's an expert, but he looks like he's trying to get something out of this

that they've called and just nothing's happening. This guy, Gordon is picking him up and dropping him. He's taking fucking phantom bumps. They're missing each other when they're standing still. I've never seen this level of amateurism or complete shittiness even on a WWE, even a dark match, tryout match, nothing. And is he the guy, oh God, he won with some kind of spinning

full Nelson and then just gets up and looks down like, oh, my God. I've shit all over my, and he's got his head in his hands as he's walking up the ramp. Like, what have I done here? that was after a wonderful spine buster which uh just a guy was leapfrogging him and he stood up under him before he'd cleared him oh yeah the spine buster was the guy jumped up and then gordon just dropped him and it this is playing on a loop so you can see it over and over he's trying to shoot the guy off with a hip toss he's he was going to shoot him into the ropes with a hip toss oh he got it the third time.

Oh boy. To confirm or deny, there are some people who thought this and I thought it was ridiculous, but this is not Ron Waterman, correct? No, no, good Lord, no. No, come to think of it, though. He looks, he looks a little bit physically and with the short, blonde hair, he looks a little bit like Waterman, but Waterman didn't have the gimmick superstar Graham

fucking beard and all that other shit. Ron Waterman was better in his sleep than this fucking guy. And again, the other guy is not exactly doing great here either. Some of these punches are embarrassing. Well, yeah, but at the same time, he's probably standing while he's punching him, he's asking the guy, have you ever done this before? Do you think you can do anything we called right? Now, this apparently is a tryout match.

Obviously, we don't know either of these wrestlers. This is a few years after you would have been the one arranging a lot of these matches, a lot of these tryouts on these shows. Yes. How does someone get, how does someone who clearly is not even indie level? How does someone get booked to open up the night, right? This would have been before. Yeah, yeah.

Well, and in those days, they would have a match on first, even if it wasn't a tryout, just a dark match, because you'd get your announcer audio levels and they'd test out the cameras. So at every TV taping, 10 minutes for bell time. that was advertised, you'd get one match regardless of what else, just for technical reasons. And a lot of times they'd use that to put somebody in the ring and take a look at him at the same time in front of people. I don't know what town this came from.

I would have to assume, oh my God, the guy was punching him in a head and he took three punches without even moving and all of a sudden just jumped up in the air and dropped to his hands and knees to sell a punch. This had to be close to this guy's where he lived, his hometown or whatever. And somebody that knew one of the agents, maybe said, oh, I got this guy. I don't know. You know, the only way this guy could have never got booked on his merits of doing anything ever. But occasionally, you know, either somebody that is a friend of the agents has a school locally or worked an independent show and said, oh, this guy, maybe the guy drove somebody around.

Hey, you want to take a look at him? I put him out on the fucking, you know, dark match for cameras. I, this wasn't a serious, I can't imagine this was ever a serious. Let's see what the fuck this guy can do. Okay, well, in that case, who would have been watching this? Would Vince McMahon have been watching this? Boy, they better hope not. Was there an agent, whatever time period this was,

was there an agent fired during that point in time? No, maybe Jerry Briscoe would have bet. Bruce back in those days was on guerrilla position, but they might have had Jerry Briscoe watch it just because it's, you know, a tryout or a dark match or whatever. Hey, Gerald, see if any of these guys have anything. But unless Vince was already sitting there ready for the show to start and happen to look up from his format and go,

what the fuck is going on here, He probably didn't see it. But, geez, this is just, I've never seen anything this bad on a WWE show. So this is on Facebook. Yeah, this is on Facebook, and it's apparently the matches around. You could just look for the title of this video,

is Flesh Gordon had an all-time disaster performance in this tri-out match, and he knew it as soon as the match. That's my head in his hands. He's like, oh, shit. Now, the idea of the idea that, that there's not just one Flesh Gordon, who apparently is a 71-year-old

in France, that there's a second Flesh Gordon, does Flesh Gordon pass the name test? Only if you're talking about 70s porno theaters in Times Square. Why wouldn't it be early 80s porno if we're going based on the popularity and success of the Flash Gordon film?

Because I think that we're going all the way back to 35, millimeter porn rather than fucking early VHS porn and that would be late 70s. What do you think of Flash Gordon the movie that came out

and what was it? 82? When did it come out? Somewhere around. Oh, God. I don't know that I've ever seen it. Really? Wow.

Because I remember, didn't Queen do the fucking soundtrack? That's right. That's right. Yeah, it bombed. That doesn't mean it won't be good. Well, no, along with the Sergeant Pepper soundtrack,

it's the only album that ever shipped platinum and returned double platinum. Well, no, that was a, there were a few record labels that did that for a living. You could say, strategically. What did you think that that's one of the worst movies ever? Is there anything redeemable about that Sergeant Pepper movie? Sergeant Pepper, yes, besides the fact that it was just great, and it was a wonderful movie to make out to in the back row in 1978, Earth, Win and Fire got to Get You Into My Life, Into My Life.

All right. Well, this has been the Flesh Gordon segment. The now weekly Flesh Gordon's side. If I was that guy, I'd try to buy up every copy of this video and burn it. Maybe that's why we can't find it. That's just incredible. Jim, let's talk about Raw. Raw from June 9th, 2025.

The Raw, the day after the day after the pay-per-view. Any thoughts? What did you watch? What do you? Well, that's awkward now. they're doing Saturday nights on their pay-per-views now. They used to do Sunday, and now it's all, it's just, it's odd anymore. Hey, raw folks, two and a half hours, Smackdown, three hours, money in the bank, three

and a half hours. They're just fucking wrestling us to death. What we got, to me, in nearly three hours of Raw, was we got a new world title match, made a bit of the next paper view. We got a new world champion number two, and we got the best thing I've seen on television as far as wrestling goes in the last few weeks from any company. And that's what we got on Raw.

And let's start out with the new world title match that they've set up. We talked about, okay, Cody won the tag team match, money in the bank and he penned Sina, one would think that's hopefully going to be the start of him somehow rehabilitating his image and maybe try to get even with this guy that's fucked him around. And in the next night, on Raw, we got a completely different direction. We're going with completely different people for next month. So I guess they're going to make us wait on this. But now we have, not to spoil anything, we'll get into the details, but we've got Sina versus Punk in Saudi Arabia.

And we knew we were going to get, or we better have got Sina versus Punk. I hate that it's in Saudi Arabia. Bingo. What do you think? Bingo. Well, what do you think that punk would have, that the people would have done in the back

if Punk had said, when Sina said, well, we'll do it in Saudi Arabia. Pug said, well, I don't want to go there and do that. So fuck it. Just keep it. We're throw it back in his way. How about we do it in America? How about Chicago?

Get the fans behind it. Yeah. But nevertheless, so we're getting ahead of ourselves. Sina enters there in Phoenix, Arizona, 14,361 people in Phoenix. They would have sold out the old Madison Square Garden there in Phoenix. And again, he's a heel, but he's a star, so they play his music, gets a giant pop and then they start chanting

John Sina sucks with the music because they have fun doing that and all he has to do is go to the ring and stand there and they do the dueling chant let's go Sina Sina sucks and he just milked it and then obviously our truth had to be addressed

and the actions from the pay-per-view so Cedicuts promo on him, hey, you think that really makes any difference? You wasted your energy protecting a sideshow comedian. Actually, sideshows didn't have comedians. They only had freaks. The comedian was on the regular stage. You remember that, don't you, Brian?

I mean, I don't remember that, but I know that. That's a very good point to point out. The sideshow was the sideshow. Wasn't the main show. Yeah. Yeah, but nevertheless, You're all spineless keyboard warriors with no power to change anything. And they're chatting.

We want truth. We want truth. And he's like, this is my farewell tour, damn it. And he counted the dates down. We're halfway done. If you want to use your voice for something, use your voice. Send me some competition. Because I've gone through all of them.

I've gone through truth. We've gone through Cody. through Orton, I've beaten your absolute best. And right then, like Musilini, with everybody singing. Here comes CM Punk. And he gets the big CM Punk chance. And now the people, okay, well, now we got this going.

And punk did the promo and he said all the right things. he puts himself as the defender of the people because he said how bizarre this is that John Cina the Boy Scout is now anti-establishment and me, C.M. Punk, I'm defending the establishment. But I'm not defending the establishment. I'm defending the people. The fans are my boss. I don't kiss the final boss's ass.

Eddie got him chant you sold out at Cina. and it was a good promo, very well delivered, but they're just, it's now, it's kind of, do you get the feeling it's punk's turn? So they said, punk, think up a good reason for you to tell John you're going to take the title from him and defend the fans and challenge him. And so that's what he did. And he said, after tonight, you've got 18 dates left. I'll let you pick.

Which one is the one where I take that belt off of you? How about tonight? And Encinah built it up a little bit and said, let's do it. But not tonight. Boo. Let's do it at Night of Champions in Saudi Arabia. And the crowd was not happy. And punk agreed.

And then Seth's music played. And Seth and his whole group comes out. and Seth holds up the money in the bank briefcase because, okay, he'll take the winner. He's either going to get Sina or he's got the ready-made deal with Punk. So that part, everything fits. But I get punk has been in so many things where there was a real legitimate, well, not real legit, but in the story, there was a real legitimate, animosity issues between the two, whether it was Drew or Seth or whatever.

And this is kind of like, well, now it's punk's turn. But they need a main event for the pay-per-view in Saudi Arabia. Am I being hard on this here? Of all the people, I don't think you are. Of all the people in the company to put him in a match with at the pay-per-view, I think punk's the one that would actually maybe mean the most to be in the States. also punk has been very vocal in the past I think he called the blood money

about working with the Saudis what kind of payday you think he's getting millions and millions of dollars to finally agree to go over there and we know that it's well it was 50 million dollars a show before they were even the goddamn you know the big pay-per-views and everything

so they've got they've got the money they can kick in a little bit but I mean, also the thing is punk's in the middle of the stuff with Heyman, isn't he? And Rollins. Well, that's all part of it. It's, I liked, especially with the bloodline thing and leading into WrestleMania, they had a lot of people interconnected where there's issues between different people and bad feelings or whatever. But now it's starting to seem like it's getting a little spread out. everybody's got a problem

and you can kind of dilute things in people's mind when you do that so I don't know but I'm like you I think number one I believe punk well but they don't have to draw money anymore

I was going to say yeah that's the problem that's the problem well it seems like punk Sina would have been a summer slam or a bigger event or a show in Chicago again I don't know what their schedule is

put something in the states that would be big, yeah. But they don't have to, they don't have to draw money anymore. They don't have to put the most attractive match on top of the most attractive pay-per-view because it's all fucking guaranteed almost anyway. But yeah, I'd rather seen it in the good old United States of America, but maybe they were worried one or both would be kidnapped off the streets by masked fucking hooligans. Well, here's the question, if they had that match in Chicago, Would those fans be so amped up and into it that would be great?

Or would they lose some of their positive feelings for it with Cina's work right now? And the realities of not, don't give Cina a black eye, don't give him a bruise. He's got skin cancer. Obviously, Rick Flair says he's looking for attention. I think punk would probably still get his shit in because he's not noted for being a serial injurer. But I think the problem would be with Chicago is that

if they're not putting a belt on Punk, better not to have that there then with these people. Good point. Because then they do more because people would be kind of bummed. Even if they weren't mad at punk, they'd just be bummed by the whole thing.

They're running through everyone. They did Orton. Now they're going to do punk. And again, we're all assuming punk ain't winning the belt in Saudi Arabia from John Cena. Are you excited to see Cody get another run at Sina? Who is there that you want to see Sina wrestle right now?

Well, I think Cody has to be the one to win it back eventually or elsewise, boy, I think that did do damage. Right now, you know, there's still a chance to straighten this out. Roman Raines? Roman Raines. Part-timer at best? But I mean, it's a big name, Matt. of who are we forgetting that we might be enthralled by seeing Sina.

Obviously the Rock, but I don't know if that's a realistic thing. The Rock versus Sina. A tag match with Travis Scott, of course. I guess that was on the plate. Now, I think it would probably draw more money from the wrestling fans than anything else they could do if they just brought Travis Scott to the ring and set the entire roster loose on him. She'd beat a shit out of him. Well, SummerSlam two nights in New Jersey.

Worst things have happened over two nights in New Jersey. But Jim, let's continue on. Raw rolls on. Worst things have happened to rappers in New Jersey at night? All righty then. Let's get, before we go to the main event, the world title match, let's get to the meat of the matter. Our truth is back in the WW.

Of course, everybody knows that. We just talked about his appearance on Monday. money in the bank, but all of a sudden he popped up on Raw at ringside, and this was the best thing that I've seen from any company in a little while, because they not only capitalized on a situation, but they've made it better. They didn't just bring goofball our truth back to do stupid shit and do comedy. they brought him back for whatever period of time that they've signed him for. We don't know if it's a full three or five-year contract or we don't know what it is,

but they're going to do this halfway seriously. He got up on the desk and he addressed everybody and they're all with it. And he said, I'm back, I'm the truth. I'm nothing but the truth. above all the true stuff, but he said, but sometimes truth can be too funny, truth can be too friendly, truth can be too nice.

And he takes out scissors and fucking cuts his, are those dreadlocks or since there was only like three of them, the braids or whatever the exact terminology would be, he cut those off his head and the people started chanting, holy shit.

you got a lot of these idiots at all these companies attempting to paralyze themselves and people are sitting there eating popcorn and this guy cuts three braids off of his head and gets holy shit from 15,000 people because they're into it and now they feel like they've done something. He thanked all of them. He says,

because of you. You wanted the truth. So they feel like they've got some power. he was over to begin with because they liked him but now he's over more because they feel like they have an emotional investment a personal investment in him they help get him back but when he cut the hair off he said from i am ron killings he's going by his real name he's admitting

that he's been just a comedy stooge for a while but he's it affects saying that I'm not going to waste this opportunity and I'm going to be fucking serious. And everybody gets what, Ron Killings gets the name Ron Killings on TV for however long this lasts so that after that he can transition to doing Indies, whatever. The people got what they want. And they have put this guy out of position where, because

if they just brought Ron Killings back and had him come out and do some funny comedy, the people would have been happy with it, but now they positioned him with this one promo that he did so fucking well where you could actually book him

in upper matches now and he can be taken seriously, especially because he can work if he's not doing the goofy stuff, if he's playing it a little straighter, he's still going to be entertaining and funny and blah, blah, blah. But you can put him in some positions now where the people will be behind him

as a real human being instead of a gimmick. Because that's what he said, I'm not just a gimmick. So this, they, again, they turned a negative into a positive and actually ended up, and I'm not, saying they just stumbled into this because obviously they did the wrong thing to get to the right place first, but they, they've made it better. They've made him more valuable by just recognizing not only that people wanted him, but okay, we can't bring that middle card underneath guy, comedy guy back at a lot of money, but boy, we've got an opportunity now to take him

in a different direction and they saw it and they did it. So this, was my favorite thing. It's going to be interesting to see the reaction going forward because, again, fans, I guess there were different outcries. Wrestlers who took the social media were unhappy that Ron Killings was no longer going to be in the locker room. Fans were unhappy that our truth was no longer going to be in the company. Some because they thought he should have a job for life.

Some because they love his segments. Some because of the way he had just been booked, including like the number one selling shirt they had. do the fans want wrong killings or do they want to better push our truth? You know what I mean? Well, they're going to get both because, and see, here's the,

and the wrestlers who were upset because, oh, we loved him in the locker, well, fucking grow up and figure out how the world works. Jesus Christ, that is totally nothing to be in any way contemplated by the TKO management. Well, the boys are mad because we fired somebody.

Yeah, if you're Carlito, how do you feel right now? Like, man, no one took the fucking social media Like, oh, bring that Carlito. But no, Carlito's smart to the business And he knows it's because he didn't have a funny fucking gimmick where he got to do heartwarming shit all that time. It's a different fucking picture.

But the point is, nobody gives a shit what the boys thought. But the fans, okay, the fans are crying out for us to bring this guy back. Okay, well, we can consider that. But are we going to, to bring back the same middle card, as I said, underneath guy doing funny segments every once in a while just to give people a feel good experience or are we going to try to do something with him? And part of doing something with him to put him higher up on the card where the people that wanted to see him get his job back and want to see him prosper, they obviously want to see him hire up on the card. well they can't do that with the fucking guy that don't know everybody's name but they can take that guy not take all of his comedy away but give him a purpose

to prove to the people that he can be more than what he's been so he's doing this for them he's going to be more serious or straighter and trying to compete with top talent because he wants to reward the people for believing in him. That works. And he can work. So then you get a motivated guy that can work with a little, you know, a mission, a purpose, and the people will be with it. And this was done very well. Now, for the P, so, yes, you always, you don't care.

whether it cares not a, you don't listen to because you can't base it on whether the boys are upset. You fired a popular member of the roster. That makes no different whatsoever in business. But if the people who are watching the shows and buying the tickets are upset about it, then you might be a fine way to make them happy. That's why we talked about it last week on a show. I said, I can see a guy 53 years old. It's been there for 20 years and been used in an underneath spot.

and making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, yeah, he'd be a good candidate to be let go. But right now, odd timing. They thought, well, we'll get something, you know, one more little thing out of him. We'll let him do the thing with Sina. It uses up a Sina match, but he ain't going to get hurt, blah, blah, blah, before we let him go.

That's what they were thinking, but that's why I said even just with the amount of merchandise that he was selling. And at that particular point, why not do something short term to keep him involved? And we don't know what the term is here, but it was odd that they would do that the timing was bizarre and that helped in the fans getting behind truth and getting him back there. But also, apparently from what we're being told, they started calling him back, right, and he wouldn't answer the phone right away. And I don't blame him.

Because he had to know they weren't calling him to fire him again. Right? Okay, you've called me and you've said, well, they're not firing, but we're not renewing you. Okay, a couple days later, when everybody stirred up about it on the internet, they're not going to call him again to reiterate that he's fucking not being renewed. He had to know. as soon as they called him back, I got you motherfuckers.

And he didn't ask the phone and he waited for Nick Kahn to call him. It was the same thing when... Man, that's going up the ladder. Well, when they pissed me off about my car windshield and I went home and Vince called, I didn't call back, Bruce called, I didn't call back, and the JR called.

I called him because I wasn't mad at him. But they were thinking all shit. So he did the same thing. He waited until the person he wanted to talk to called, and then he took the call. And that was perfect. And again, for this amount of publicity and for this spot on the pay-per-view,

you couldn't buy that spot. It had to happen like that. So Nick Kahn knew, fuck it, with the amount of money we're taken in and the parameters that we're running under these days, to give this guy a half million dollars, just come do this. this show, probably wouldn't be a big fucking deal.

So, but I like it. They're elevating truth. He got what he wanted. People got what they wanted. Of course, Triple H said, it's all part of the show. All part of the show. Well, everything is all part of the show. That show called life.

But this wasn't plan. Don't look behind the curtain. Don't look behind the curtain. They didn't mean to do it this way. and it wasn't planned, but it worked out for everybody pretty much for the best. Do you have to do Ron Killings, John Cena now? Well, here's, that thing is they've done Our Truth versus John Cena, but they haven't done Ron Killings versus John Cena.

But I would save that. I would let him be a thorn in the side, but I'm wondering if Cody is going to end the rain, whether it's the last night or whether they'd have time for John to try to turn back baby face or whatever. If they're going to put it back on Cody, I'd save our truth or I'd save Ron Killings versus Sina for right before that so that with Sina beat him, it would be a fuck, but then Killings would be there to help Cody come in and shoot the angle. and because you don't want to,

you can't have Ron Killings come out now and be Ron Killings and then somebody, anybody beat him immediately or then you've just fucked the whole thing up to begin with. That would be like the children over in AEW. The wins don't matter and losses don't matter. Let's just have a good match. No, the last part of this puzzle is going to be make Ron Killings competitive.

let's see him win a few things and let's definitely don't see anybody beat him right quick let him be the thorn in the side give him little triumphs little small triumphs or let him be in the right place to help other top baby faces and then finally you fuck him up right before the the ultimate baby face fucking brings the hammer down but at least they got some where to go. This is taking the Vince McMahon version or Ron Killing's completely out of the picture because our truth was a Vince McMahon thing.

He wasn't like that in TNA. He wasn't like that in his previous running WWE as K-Quick or whatever it was. Yeah. And I mean, he can still be a happy, funny guy, but that ain't the only reason he shows up. He can do that backstage in a fucking pre-tape,

but if he comes out in front of people, he needs to be Ron Killings now. What do you think of this sort of turnaround, And again, it happened because he went public with the fact that his contract wasn't being renewed. It caused the fans to really speak out. It caused him the trend. It caused people chanting his name.

They went in there and immediately made a new deal as fast as they can get to him, preventing him from going anywhere else. You know, I brought up, would it be worth it to AEW to have him around the show? That was kind of as a comedy figure and not even thinking about the idea of a serious Ron killing showing up.

Well, but it wouldn't have worked. It probably wouldn't have. You're right, but I'm saying they did not want anyone else taking advantage of what positive momentum there was behind Ron. Well, again, I'm looking at it the other way. I don't think he would have done any appreciable business for AEW whatsoever. You're taking something out of context. You're taking somebody out of their environment. Yes, the fans of it.

Well, it's our truth. He's over there now. But it would have just got lost to shuffle like everything else. Nick Kahn saw that they had a chance to do something to increase WW business, not hamper AEW business. I'm not saying they wouldn't do that. But in this case, no, they weren't worried about it. They might have been worried about Artreuth signing with AEW before they could get him back

because they wanted him back. But they didn't think. think, oh, my God, we can't let him go to AEW or the ship is sunk. They just wanted him back because they saw, oh, shit, we, we've stumbled into something here we can really fucking run with. It's more of a benefit for the WWE to have Ron Killings on the roster, then it is a benefit for AEW to have Ron Killings on the roster, no matter what gimmick he's portraying. Well, here's the other thing.

If they hadn't signed them, what was the finish of the pay-per-view going to be of the tag team match? Well, that's a good question. I'm sure it was still going to be Cody beating Sina, but it wasn't going to be with Ron Killings in the middle of it. So they would have come up with some finish that probably after that match wouldn't have gotten over as well. I can't imagine what they could have done without killings to get over as well.

as they did with with him. Could Killings versus Sina be the main event of one night of SummerSlam? Is it that big or is it not that big? Now we're pushing things. I mean, I don't see that. I don't see that, but I could have seen, honestly, Ron Killings versus John Sina in Saudi Arabia and punk and Sina at SummerSlam. Yeah, I agree.

But one way or another, he'll get a chance. He'll get a shot. Do you worry about any resentment from the Booker? If you go home and say, I'm not taking your calls. I'll wait till your boss calls. Do you risk getting residual resentment going forward? He didn't say that. He didn't pick up the phone and say,

I'm not taking your call. I'll wait to your boss calls and hang up the phone again. He just didn't answer the phone. And I'm sorry, but I don't think Triple H is that. fragile and or unfamiliar with how the boys think that he's going to be upset because the guy that they just fucking basically said you're done, see you later, wouldn't immediately return their phone call.

Because there was some prickliness, I guess, still involved there. So I don't think it's going to be a big fucking deep. All right. Well, that, of course, is one of the big things happening on wrong. We still have a big main event to talk about. But, you know, maybe this whole scene of run would be better off. maybe the whole run would be connecting better with the audience. If John was listening to some good music during the week

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I'll tell you one thing that if he was listening to the Racon everyday earbuds, then he might be happier, but maybe the fans would be more clear about things if they were listening to the everyday earbuds, and you could have a recording of John Sina explaining this whole angle to you in detail. Sort of like an audio book where you could follow it along. That way you wouldn't be confused. Is there anything in there? What about every day?

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And I got to be honest with you again, I think this, the time was right for this because, and the match, you get a good match. and Jay, you know, got the injured ribs and they worked on him and that was part of his downfall, but Gunther just got the sleeper and choked him out. And they're protecting Gunther, who's very valuable to them, but Gunther is a kind of guy that can't lose more than every so often. And when it counts, in a big show, he's lost twice, and both of them were big matches, big shows, made the point, and now he's won the belt back. Jay's a guy now you can beat him.

Because I think they realized Jay got over so well with the people that if he didn't win something big, they were going to damage him. And that's why they put this belt on him. And he's had it long enough that it wasn't a fluke or a joke or just something, you know, blah, blah, blah. He's had it, he's defended it. But now Gunther needs the belt more than Jay does because Gunther needs to keep his heat. Gunther needs to be a monster that still needs to be slayed and it's rare when it happens.

Whereas Jay now has had it long enough, as I said, that it wasn't a fluke, but you avoid some blowback because at some point everybody likes the music, everybody likes the entrance, everybody likes Jay and his promos and the way he sounds and feels heartfelt. But sooner or later, they're going to start looking at him, go, wait a minute. Now, Jay's the world champion with this roster, with all of these guys. And there may be some blowback. This way he won it when it meant the most. He held it long enough. It wasn't a fluke.

He can always say he was a world champion and can always be. in contention for it again, didn't hurt him at all in terms of how the people like him. And it helped Gunther and it freshenes that up. So that's why, again, this was perfect. And normally you don't get the guy regaining it back from the guy that lost it from him anymore or lost it from him. You don't anymore in modern wrestling get the previous champion regaining the belt from the guy that be, him for it very often. And in this case, I think it fit.

And I think the timing was about right. And, you know, we've been in the past, we've been hopeful that they wouldn't do anything to damage Gunther because he is, as I've said, the perfect wrestler. And I think they helped him here without hurting Jay. So for all those reasons, I was in favor of this also. But you tell me, Brian. I mean, I think it's the right move. You know, Jay Uso winning the belt was a bit of a surprise in terms of just in terms of the decision to go that way.

And then it worked and the fans are really into it. But like you said, it couldn't last forever. He came out with his son. I don't know why, but that made me think, oh, this is definitely a title change. You know, just because that's like the ultimate moment. He was in the walk-in at Money in the Bank too. Yeah. So at least he'd been.

there the day before, but yeah. I think WWE book Goonther better since he lost the belt than almost anyone who's lost the belt and you're, you know, waiting for them to do something else. He didn't come down a notch at all. The fans enjoyed Channing you tapped out. But beyond that, he's still been presented strong. He's now the world champion again. The booking of him versus the booking of Cody since they each lost the belt has been

night and day. Boy, I'm, we ought to some. time see Cody and Gunther. That would be interesting. They could have a rip snorter, a stem winder. After Sina, because otherwise it's just a setup to the Sina rematch.

Well, yeah. But they've got time because they're both young. But anyway, so again, Jay still over, lost the title, Gunther, all is right again with the world. And then there was a bunch of other stuff

because it was almost three hours. but that was my highlights of raw because when they do 10 hours of programming in three days, we have to just kind of hit the high points. Well, that was WWRWA, another spectacular on Netflix. All right, let's move on from there. The screaming television, yeah. Screaming television, because it makes me scream and cuss. Oh, okay, I thought you were going to keep going.

Just cuss was the end word, and we are going to continue. Cuss was the end word. scream and cuss. We are going to continue on here. There we go with the organ. We got some questions. Let's get to some questions here, Jim. This first one was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Isaac.

I was wondering why there are wrestlers who do the flip over... I guess why there are not. He left out a word. I was wondering why there are not wrestlers who do the flip over the turnbuckle spot anymore. Now what? I see that all the time. I think he's referring to the Rick Flair, Ray Stevens, you know what? Sean Michael.

Sean Michael. Adrian Adonis to an extent. Adrian Adonis. I've seen Charlotte does it as a tribute to her dad. I've seen several people do it in the last year. I don't know if it's as oft done as it used to be, but that's just because you don't see Rick Flair, Ray Stevens, or Sean Michael that much anymore.

But. And one influence the other, who influenced the other? Yeah. So, I mean, it's, it's, there are other people that do that bump in, in a variety of ways, good, bad, and different. But I, I think it's probably just because now the people that are involved are, are stealing their shit from different guys that they looked up to. Flare thought Stevens was the best in the ring.

so he used some of Stevens' stuff. Michael thought Flair was the best, so he used some of his shit. Now some of these assholes think that our little puppy pockets is just swell, so they're imitating their bullshit, but it'll come back around. Our next question here,

sent the corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Cade Shoots in Goreville, Illinois. Who, what, where? Cade. K-D-D-D-S-C-D-S-C-H-U-E-T-Z in Goreville, Illinois. I'm an avid listener of the podcast and love all that you do for the wrestling industry. I have also been affected by the recent weather here in southern Illinois, so I've enjoyed your comments on our latest storms.

What are you laughing about? I've enjoyed your comments on our recent storms. I just love them. They're great. He's commiserating. We've all had rotten weather down here. My question is whether one of the road warriors was seen as better than the other. I've always been more drawn to animal. However, it seems that Hawk was used more in high-profile matches.

I was wondering if there was a reason for this, and if so, why was Animal not seen as high-profile? Well, no, I mean, I think he's probably seen Hawk in a couple of... singles matches and just, you know, thinks that. As I recall, they were sparingly used in singles matches. And the biggest high profile matches I can think of was in the 86 Great American Bash, Dusty's idea was to have a different challenger for Flair every night. But that would have been, was it 14 spots? And he only had like eight baby faces.

So Ricky Morton got a couple, but Hawk got one. Robert Gibson got one against Flair in Fayetteville. But most of the time, except for maybe setting up an angle for the warriors against a team, they didn't do singles at all. As to the question, it depends on what you're talking about. Did the boys think that animal or hawk, there were differences? Animal, for example, was stronger. And I mean, that's like, you know, remember we're talking degrees,

I'm not saying Hawk was fucking weak as cats' piss, but Animal was stronger on the press slams and the spots like that. He was a little bit stronger in his overhead press than Hawk. So, like, you would have Hawk press a guy and throw him to Animal who could catch him, not the other way around. And God damn it, though, Hawk pressed me one time, had his hand right on my fucking nuts. I thought I was going to die by the time he pitched me. Oh, fuck.

Because he was used to grabbing guys with tights and I had fucking dress pants on and it's, your shit flops around a little looser there. Hawk was definitely the better promo. Whereas, you know, Animal was good, but he always don't tell him Hawk. Hawk was the more personality-filled promo. Psychology selling wise, sometimes Animal, even though he was the bigger guy, sold a little bit better than Hawk. So these were just, it wasn't like

either one of them was seen by the general fans as much more talented or over or qualified or whatever as the other. The fans saw them as a duo. The boys when we'd work with them, it depended on

what you wanted to do as to which one you called it with based on their strengths and or weaknesses in the ring. And Bobby liked to do certain spots better with Hawk than he did with Animal because Hawk just his his work and his style was more complimentary to that type of thing. Animal was the bigger power guy. Hawk did the clothes line off the top.

Animal lifted the fucking guy. So just that kind of difference, but not that I don't think so. The fans ever noticed. All right. Well, let's go to our next question here. this one was sent to Quarney Drive-Thru at gmail.com. This one is from no name attached. Jim, when fans meet wrestlers at conventions,

I assume and expect the wrestlers would like to be called by their wrestling name and persona. If a fan sees a wrestler at the airport, restaurant, or any non-wrestling-related event that approaches them, would the wrestler prefer to be addressed by their wrestling name or their real name? What is the proper protocol? I think the wrestler in most cases in the airports and things would prefer to be left alone.

No, the wrestling name, no, you look like a stalker. If you go up to Abdullah the butcher and go, hi, Larry, who the fuck are you? unless you are a relative or a personal friend outside the wrestling industry of a guy, don't ever call them by their real name. I mean, I've said this before. It's bad enough that the guys in the locker room call each other by their real names now so that you never know who they're talking about.

It gets you in a bad habit when you start calling guys by their real names because you'll slip and do it in front of people. So, no, you always call a guy, Mr. I mean, Mr. is good in there, but I mean, of course, that's tough for, actually, no, it's not, I was going to say for Abdullah the butcher. He used to actually have a goddamn monogram that he'd have on those custom-made silk shirts that he'd wear. It would say on the pocket, Mr. But I don't, you know, you don't just go up and go, hey, Rick, you go, well, I guess maybe now a lot of people wouldn't go up to flare at all. But, you know, You don't go, hey Michael Hickenbottom, you go, hi, Mr. Michaels, or hello, Sean. And a little, you know, just some manners and a little respect will probably get you everywhere. But don't go up and start calling people by their real name like your goddamn FBI informant. I saw a kid once at the parking garage opposite Madison Square Garden run up to Mr. Fuji. He's like, Harry, Harry!

Fucci just would be mused. Like he didn't even respond or kind of pay attention, but he just chuckled to himself. Yeah, see, that's, you know, then they're just trying to be an asshole. I know something I'm not supposed to know. I know what your name is. Good.

Maybe you can figure out who your father is after that. All right, Jim, let's go to our next question here. This was sent to corny drythru at gmail.com from David. Do you think this version of John Cena is that of Johnny Valentine, working really slow and methodical, and it picks up towards the end. Yes, his age and acting plays a role in his limitations in the ring, but since he's a student of wrestling, you think he watched some Valentine matches and said that could work for me? There is absolutely no resemblance whatsoever between the style in-ring of Johnny Valentine and

John Cena. and Valentine may not have done a lot, but there was no element of, we're going to lighten up on the blows here, and there's going to be plenty of daylight, and oh, let's take some gingerly bumps because we don't want to get hurt. No, I mean, there's no,

there's no comparison at all in the styles, and I don't even, a lot of people haven't seen enough Johnny Valentine, they've heard the name, but to really even illustrate it. But no, John, and again, you can't blame him. He wasn't the greatest in-ring performer that ever stepped foot on the planet in his younger days, but he was athletic and could bump and could move around. But now he's 50 and he's a movie star and he's got 18 matches left and he ain't,

goddamn, going through a lot of fucking furniture, I guarantee you. But that doesn't mean that he's doing what Johnny Valentine did, which was a completely different style of match where Valentine would make the fans believe that he was legitimately grounding and goozling and pounding the baby face and fucking torturing him and then slowly let the baby face come back until finally the comeback happened

and then he'd have to fight for every inch that he got the baby face and Valentine would back up an inch at a time and they'd be hitting each other so hard you could hear at the cheap seats, but it's not, it's a completely different thing. And here's something I just thought of, though, Brian, I know we've been saying 50, 50, how old is John Sina legitimately? Is it 49, 48, 51? Where's he at in there?

John Sina is 48. Okay, how old? was Johnny Valentine in 1975 when the plane crash happened, where he was the top heel in the Carolina Territory working every night against Wahoo McDaniel and Tim Woods and all the rest of those fucking guys. He was born in 28. So he was 47.

Yeah, you could still run into Valentine with a small fucking rental vehicle when he was 47 and he wouldn't have sold it. So it's a completely different style. All right, we got another question here. This one was set to Cordy Dryorthrough at gmail.com by Barry. Been a wrestling fan since I watched

Ray Morgan on my black and white TV with rabbit ears call matches of the likes of Argentina Apollo and the flying kangaroo brothers from ringside. Over the years? they were from Australia, but... But they weren't brothers either, right? But either way, we know what he's talking about. That was it, that was a grammatically

incorrect sentence that I was making fun of. But yes, they weren't from Ringsside, they were from Australia, but Ray Morgan was calling the matches from Ringsside. Over the years, a number of changes took place, and the players came and went. Of course, one of these cast members was none other than Mr. Jim Cornett.

But I can't help but wonder, both what wrestling would have been like without the racket-wielding instigator and what he might have chosen as a career path had he not graced us with his presence every week at ringside. So, Jim, what might you have been? Would you have opted to be a double-knought spy like Jethro Bodine? Or would you have been more comfortable holding one of the many jobs of Walter Middy? Perhaps a Midwest version of Dog the Bounty Hunter would better suit,

or would you rather champion justice as a consumer reporter, concentrating heavily on fast food chains throughout mid-America. So, sir, what say you inquiring minds want to know? Well, I'm glad he didn't ask what would wrestling be like without me, because then I would have to imagine what the world would be like without my glorious presence. but what would I have done if wrestling hadn't come up? And we've talked about this, and it's been quite a long time, at some points in my life after I got into wrestling,

when wrestling was ebbing and flowing, I've done radio. And I thought, you know, I might like to get into radio past, you know, having to go through the courses to learn how to run the board and all that shit. Otherwise than that. you know, radio, I got the perfect face for it. But that is because of my involvement in wrestling. I don't know that I would have ever sought out or wanted to be. I never, I didn't even get into wrestling because I wanted to be on TV.

Being on TV was a byproduct of being in wrestling. You had to do the TV show to be able to go down and be on the show at the Louisville Gardens. So I don't know without wrestling that I would. would have done anything related to broadcasting, radio, television, whatever, I think, to be honest, the most probable thing would have been some type of journalism, writing, or reporting, not only because of my dad and his, you know, interests and in journalism and being in a newspaper business all of his life, but just because that was what I did for, well, when I, I, I did two, issues of my own newspaper when I was like six years old.

Because I think my mom had to go somewhere and I spent the afternoon over at the neighbors two doors over, my dad's best friend. And his wife, you know, let me play in Charlie's den and he had the old typewriter there. And my dad worked for the Courier Journal. So we did my version of the courier. and I interviewed my fucking docks and Hans and talked about how Sadie next door had said something about one of the other neighbors

and my mom caught that in the five copies with the carbon paper of the newspaper that I typed out and said you shouldn't say that or put that in print what she said. Probably I would have either a writer or a journalist or something to do with, and most probably not fiction but nonfiction, if I was going to be writing. But I think without wrestling,

that's probably what I would have done. I was always natural in any type of writing or spelling or English class or whatever. I read from before I even started going to fucking school. I was always head over heels for books of all types. it would have had to have been something in that field. Boring, huh? What would wrestling have been like without Jim Cornett?

Well, I don't know. Because fuck it might not still even exist if I had to have been here to save it so many different times. All right. Well, Jim, let's get another question here. This one was sent to Corny Drive-Thru. I mean, I'm only one man. This question was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Dre.

Hey, guys, love your show. makes my work days go by so much better when there's a new episode. The question about the chic dark side of the ring. I grew up in the 80s in southeastern Michigan, and back then, when me and my friends got into wrestling, all of our parents would always bring up Dick the Bruiser. They would say Dick the Brewser was our Hulk Hogan, or he was the big star in Detroit wrestling.

I always kind of assumed the chic and bruiser was our Dusty and Flair, and I was surprised there was no mention of bruiser at all in Dark Side of the Ring. Did those guys not have any kind of rivalry or was Dick not really prominent in Detroit? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. They had an incredible rivalry in almost everywhere but Detroit.

And I think, did they do the match, what, maybe twice, maybe they did it more in Indianapolis than they did it in Detroit. Here's the thing. Everybody is right in this instance. Your parents, et cetera, you, if that was the early 80s that your parents were talking about them, then let's say they're remembering from their childhood, which would have been mid to late 50s. And if that's the case, then Dick the Bruiser was probably the top box office traction in Detroit during that period of time. Bruiser for

for Barnett's Midwest Territory Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, and that area, or that area, Bruiser was a bigger star, a bigger box office attraction. The Sheik had not become a true, really

main event level guy yet. He was a star and he was a guy that was in demand, but Bruiser was literally a top 10 guy in the 50s in the in the business everywhere. But then

when Barnett went to Australia and sold Sheik Detroit, that's where the Sheik, now besides the fact that he's recognized talent, that he's wrestled in a number of different territories and people know him, he's had the Chicago TV, etc. Now, he's a promoter, he's an NWA member.

He can book himself. And that's where, when he booked himself over in Detroit, from 1964 to, say, 1978 was, you know, he was the talk of Detroit and the number one guy in the wrestling business there, but that may have been after your folks started paying attention or stopped paying attention. So at different times, they were both the top guy in Detroit, but not at the same time, and they never had a long-running feud because before the Sheik bought Detroit,

Sheik wasn't really in Bruisers, Bruiser was working with Alex Karris and Bob Ellis and the top names. And then afterwards, after 64, Bruiser was setting up his own company in Indiana, working where he worked. They seldom interacted with each other. And they didn't really have,

any big matches to speak of until the war was settled in Detroit and Indianapolis that we've talked about here on the program so often when they were running opposition each other from 72 to 74. Bruiser tried to take Detroit because he had been the bigger star than the Sheik. And the Sheik took Detroit. Bruiser ended up with Indiana, but Indiana, besides Indianapolis, didn't have the fucking markets the size of Michigan, so he always wanted that back. The Sheik defended Michigan.

The Sheik never ran Indianapolis. He just defended Michigan. Bruiser had to return to Indiana, and that's when they had the biggest drawing matches of their career, and they came in Indianapolis when they did almost 16,000 people at Market Square Arena for the first one, and then had several more that I think top 12,000. But there was never any big Bruiser versus Sheik program

in Detroit, and I think they only did one or two of the matches after they settled the issue because Detroit really didn't need the help for the Sheik, because he won. So Bruiser got a chance to draw a couple of sellouts in Indianapolis because the Sheik hadn't been there in years.

Does that answer the question? What do you think would have happened if Bruiser won? If Bruiser had a won, then, well, kind of the same thing. Both territories would have gone out of business because that's what happened with once the Sheik, once they quit fighting and Bobby Heenan got pissed off because Bruiser screwed him on the payoff when he managed Bruiser against the Sheik and that Market Square Arena sell-off, sell-off, sell-out. And Bruiser lost a lot of his talent because he didn't have Detroit

and a couple of other towns every month to keep guys that were big names in the territory. And the Sheik quit bringing in star after star to try to fight off the invaders and the cards got smaller than the people had been used to. They were seeing 14 fucking matches with every guy. goddamn major name in the NWA. All of a sudden, you know, in 1976, there's six matches on the card and Lou Klein's in the semifinal.

So both territories went out of business. Same thing would have still happened. It would have just happened in a different direction. I find it so interesting just because when you think of Detroit, I guess the first name that you think of is the sheik. Anyone who's not a wrestling fan, they must know the sheik. you never think of the fact that they would bring up Dick the Bruiser first. Well, again, but, you know, 40 years ago,

if a 40-year-old person is remembering from their teenage years, they'd think about bruiser before they'd think about Sheik. And see, that's the thing, is depending on your, my God, there's a helicopter going over, can you hear? I hear something. I hear something. Roaring. I thought you were playing the organ.

No, it's some fucking thing. thing flying over in the sky, depending on where you are and what your age group is, you would remember different major wrestlers. When I was a kid, my cousins, Larry and Richard, when I'd go up to Aunt Lolas and watch wrestling, it was the Sheik Show. But when they were kids, because they were born in the late 40s, so they were remembering the Barnett Cincinnati Gardens days. And they would think about Haystacks Calhoun and Hans Schmidt.

And, you know, guys like that, that, because that was their frame of reference when they were cognizant of what was going on, even though they weren't wrestling fans, those were the major names and Dick the Bruiser. So it just depends on not only what part of the country you were from, but what age group you were. You bring up Haystacks Calhoun. Of course, it was Haystacks Muldoon also. And it's kind of crazy. You think of the Pfeffer people. You don't always think of them as working like the big shows. this guy was like everywhere the Haystacks Calhoun was for a while. Where do you stand on the debate, haystack versus haystacks? I always liked haystacks because it just,

it sounded better. And I think that that's what it kind of morphed into, because first it was country boy Calhoun, and then it was Haystack Calhoun, and then a lot of people started doing haystacks, because what the boys called him, behind his back, they called him a variety of things,

but what he was called in the locker room was stacks. So a lot of times, the promoters and the boys, they just, they ran with that and it became the terminology, and that's where that came from. He got pluralized. But technically,

I guess it should be just a single haystack. It should be a single haystack because he was only a single giant, round mound of shit. Was haystacks like a, common thing for for lack of a better term fat country boys or was it

it wasn't invented as a name for someone for him was it no it wasn't unheard of it wasn't you know like everybody was called haystack but it wasn't unheard of but that was because country boy Calhoun was just kind of generic and so then they came up with Haystack Calhoun but and again you know his business kind of got exposed

when the McGuire twins came along. And they made Haystack Calhoun was like Rick Flair. Well, yeah, and you talked about Haystack Muldoon, but also remember Man Mountain Mike? It was when Haystack Calhoun was getting a little up there in years, and I guess he quit probably around 78, 79. I saw him live in 77 for the only time. But Man Mountain Mike came along,

and he was a little bit younger, but he was like the West Coast version of Haystacks, because Haystacks would work a lot for the Sheik. And on the eastern part of the country, and Man Mountain Mike would be the West Coast, Haystacks Calhoun, but when the McGuire twins came along, it kind of killed the gimmick,

because Calhoun legitimately probably wasn't 500 pounds. He was always built at 601. He was probably like 4.5. 70, 480. And back in those days, you didn't see anybody even that big. But when the McGuire's came along and they were billed

and in the Guinness Book of World Records were 640 and 660, they were twice as fucking fat as Calhoun. And so you're like, even when I was a kid, when I was 13, I'm going, wait a minute, there's no way that those two are only

fucking 50 pounds heavier than that guy. So it kind of, and Calhoun could do like three or four things, which was about two or three more than the McGuire's could do. And he could get in the ring without having to take the bottom rope off. So he had that going for him. You know, the only way they'd get to McGuire's in the ring, they had to take the bottom rope off. I didn't know that, no.

I saw them live four times. And that's the only way they ever, they would unscrew one of the bottom turnbuckles. and then they'd roll in under the rope and then they'd put the turnbuckle back on. That's crazy. I mean, we've seen some fat people get in the ring. What was there probably? Was it?

No, you did. No, no. There's nobody walking around that you see in public that was as unnaturally obese as the McGuire twins. And I mean, they got up 6, 4, 8, even Yoko. Yeah, think about this.

Remember when Yoha, Yoko was 800 pounds. He didn't look like the McGuire twins because they were even shorter than Yoko, but plus it was all flab. Their bellies hung

past their knees. It was just everywhere. Their arms were so T-Rex in relation to their body that they couldn't hardly reach out and do anything. It was it was very disturbing when you really think about it. And yeah, I mean, maybe on some other rings, maybe that used ropes instead of cables or whatever,

but I never saw them be able to get in the ring where they didn't have to roll under the goddamn second rope after they took the bottom rope off. Because they started at 640 and 660, but they got up in the Guinness World Record Book to, I believe, like 740 and 760 before the one had the surgery or one died young and one had the surgery and that photo of them on the motorcycle

is that one of the most famous photos of a professional wrestler ever? Oh yeah. And they sold them at the matches too a variety of different poses of them on the on the mini bikes but that was kind of the early version of And I mean, this is morbid to say this, but the, you know, the motorized wheelchairs and the scooters they've got now for the fat people at Walmart. It was a gimmick they did that they rode the motorbikes or the mini bikes for publicity, but also they couldn't walk very far. So in a lot of cases, they had to ride them to get around anyway.

And when they were traveling the territories, they had a car that was customized where I believe they had. they took the front bench seat out and extended the pedals and the steering wheel somewhat where they could sit in the back seat and still operate it. But a lot of times they'd have to get rides with guys in vans or whatever. And when they went to Japan where they were just, you know, the people went crazy over them seeing these, oh my God, look at these giant Americans. Orca, orca. Yeah.

But, you know, it was, it was traveling was hard on them. And then they married twin sisters that weighed 100 pounds apiece. So that's a gimmick. Come on. I mean, how could that happen? Well, I mean, it's not like they were making millions of dollars. I don't know how they would have talked these girls into going along with that gimmick, but it would, they did actually happen.

They were, they were from North Carolina. They're very nice boys, very good old country boys. but boy howdy. When we circle back to country boy Calhoun to end this, where does Haystack Calhoun or Haystacks Calhoun rank for you on the list of all-time wrestling names? It's one of the classics. You've got Gorilla Monsoon, Bobo Brazil, Hastack Calhoun.

You know, those names resonated with people when they saw them in newspaper ads or when they heard them on television or saw them on a poster. You can remember names like that and they were around so long, they built up such a fan base that, you know, those were classic names. That's why I always said the name test is more than just a gimmick. If you don't have the right name in any kind of show business,

much less wrestling, then that can affect, you know, your career. And if you've got a name that resonates with people, they remember, they get a kick out of, whatever, that can help you. and Killer Kowalski there's they're fucking talking about killer Kowalski on a Seinfeld episode from 1997 because of the name

and his move and the stomach claw yeah and the stomach claw but you would remember if you know oh gosh I remember Lorenzo Parenti had that wonderful move it's not the same thing all right well with that

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