Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 397
Episode Date: June 22, 2025This week on the Drive Thru, Jim talks about Jon Moxley & AEW being sued, and looks at his 1997 WWE talent evaluations! Plus From The Files: Paul Heyman! Also, Jim reviews the important stuff on R...aw and answers YOUR questions about The Warlord, Wendy's, Jerry Lawler, Prince Mongo, and much more! Thanks to our episode sponsors: BRUNT: Get $10 Off @BRUNT with code JCE at https://bruntworkwear.com/JCE! #bruntpod HELIX: Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 27% Off Sitewide exclusive for listeners of Jim Cornette's Drive-Thru! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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And you are our friends.
Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornedge Drive-Thru.
You're screaming.
Am I?
I'm trying not to scream, but we got a frightful edition today.
So obviously screaming.
I'm your host of Great Brian Last.
We have so many things to talk about, and we're planning on having fun.
And let's see how this goes.
And here he is, the star of the drive-thru, the leader of the cult of Cornett,
the man who will be answering your questions and more.
Mr. Jim Cornett.
So you're saying fun is the plan.
That's what you're communicating here.
We're going to try to have fun.
Does that mean we don't have talk about wrestling or people?
You said fun is the plan.
It makes me wonder.
Have you ever used the phrase,
that's the plan, Stan, when traveling with Stanley?
Well, only when singing along to Paul Simon.
I don't think that was one of the lyrics.
That's the plan, Stan?
Well, Stan was in there
So now, wait a minute
Make a new plan, Stan.
Yeah, make a new plan.
Don't need to be coy, Roy.
Just listen to me.
Hop on the bus, Gus.
We don't need to discuss much.
Just drop off the key leave.
Think of how many names in that song
like stop being used after that song.
There was never a kid named Gus ever again.
There weren't a lot of impressive Guses before that.
Gus was always when you had lowered expectations.
Yeah, the kitty looks like a Gus.
Well, there's no...
What does this show look like?
This show is the drive-thru, and we have questions, we have topics.
You'll never guess what's going on right now outside here in Louisville, Brian.
In Louisville or on your property?
Well, just here in the greater area.
I can't guess.
Like you said.
It's raining.
What would you think it would be doing?
It's raining again.
This time the dew points are in the 70s.
You walk outside and you get wet, whether it's raining or not.
The mugginess, the swampiness, no severe weather.
That happens tomorrow.
Another band of storms coming in.
And then the 100 degree heat index comes, because we're not going to lose.
the humidity, the dew point, we're going to lose the rain, and then it's going to be feeling
like 100 degrees of a wet sponge in your face every day. Yesterday, I'll have you know,
it didn't rain here very much right here, but guess what it did down in E-town? Elizabeth Town,
for you people, not versed in Kentucky geography, 45 miles from us, they just got a rain shower
over the top of them.
And the radar
indicate, I don't know what the final
measurement was, but radar
indicated right over the top of E-town.
It's a little town on
I-65 on the way to Nashville.
They got like seven inches of rain
in two hours.
E-town down.
And then they had flash flood warnings.
Over here, it was
drier than a, I can't say
that word on broadcast
anymore. A nun's
Coochee.
The holy minge.
The holy minge.
You know what you did, Brian?
I'll tell the people.
I hate to know.
I hate to know.
You hate to find out about the things that you did.
Well, what you did was you demanded that we delay the start of this recording
15 minutes earlier before we started recording.
You demanded it or you wouldn't go on.
I said, all right, I acquies.
your demand. So while I had the 15-minute sit here and twiddle my thumbs, I opened one of these
file cabinets that I have yet had the time to fully go. I mean, I got a lot of file drawers up here.
And a lot of the old 30-year-old, 40-year-old paperwork is not filed as as nicely and neatly as
possibly my, you know, federal income tax returns, although both of these things, all these things
can come back to haunt you. But I just stuck a hand in and pulled a few things out that I thought
that I might present to you and the listeners and the cult of Cornett, the people out there
and they may like to hear some of these. Would you like to hear what these things are?
Yeah, considering we have no context whatsoever for what it could be. Let's find out what it is.
Well, that's because I didn't know what it was going to be until about 20 minutes ago,
and I stuck my hand in there and started pulling shit out.
I found a postcard.
This postcard was written, or postmarked, August 18, 1986,
from Scarsdale, New York.
And it is a, it is a, it is a, it's a picture of, the, the, the, it's a picture of, the, the,
the punk rock folks
with the spiky hair
and the spiky pink hair and like
the lady maxine type of outfits
and they're wearing the Sid Vicious
and Johnny Rotten type of stuff
and it says scenic sights
of New York City
right and it says Jim
thanks for the best time
I've had in a very long while
oh wait
wait a minute
wait a minute hold on
there'll be some context in the next sentence now the pictures make sense
oh shut up yeah thanks for the best time i've had it a very long while by the way do you think
they'll ever let us back into sabbatinos hmm i wonder your friend paul hayman
And I found this and I looked back in the Midnight Express scrapbook.
Of course, obviously Sabatinos is in Baltimore.
Paul was living, as we know, in the greater New York metropolitan area at that time.
But we hadn't been to Baltimore since July 19th.
That was the during the Great American Bashes that year.
I looked in the scrapbook.
It was us against the road warriors.
house was $106,000 by the way
but I
seem to remember that I know
that he was doing the
photography and doing I think at that time
editing his own magazine
and he got wrestling eye for a period of time
and I know he had come to the Meadowlands
and et cetera but I remember
now I think him possibly coming down to Baltimore
because we went to Sabatinos every month
but I don't remember what was the
think? Well, this was postmarked in August 86, but the previous time we'd been in Baltimore
was the month before in July. I don't remember being in any kind of incident in Sabatinos with
Paul where they wouldn't let us back unless we ordered too much food or he had some issue. I don't
know what. But I wonder if he has the same post office box. Post office box. Post office box,
Bliep. Scarsdale, New York,
10583.
Well, I reacted before because...
Yes. And we'll just do this now. Let's start on a fun note.
I told you, let's go from the files today, or go to the segment from the files,
and it wouldn't be a comprehensive one, because the file's too big. It'll be a 50-parter.
I'm going to get the Paul Heyman file. I didn't know that you had already done this, so...
Yeah, completely independently.
It explains your reaction.
This is one of the things I had, yeah, had pulled out.
This is such a gigantic file because it has everything he ever sent in,
including all the programs he was doing.
And I guess for the people who may have just staggered across the program
and a drunken stupor, Brian is the owner and curator and preserver of the files of the wrestling
news, ring wrestling, and a whole bunch of other publications.
that was at the time under the curatorship of this era with Paul Heyman, Norman Kiteser
at Pro Wrestling Illustrated, or Pro Wrestling Enterprises, I'm sorry, over in Minnesota.
And he, like Jack Pfeffer, saved every piece of paper he ever came across his desk.
So we've been finding some very interesting things from all kinds of different people in a wrestling business.
You know, one of the problems is Hayman sent a lot of stuff in.
Hey,eman is not someone who put dates on things.
No.
So Norm Kiteser, everything is dated.
I'm looking at all this Hayman stuff.
Nothing has a date on it, because I'm trying to find if he sent anything in around that weekend at 86.
Lots of photos, but let's, I'll pick an interesting one here from, whoa, a gigantic file.
I hit it.
Ladies and gentlemen, Brian Last is secretly a hoarder, and one of his stacks just fell over on top of him,
his mother name.
Here's a letter from Paul Heyman, the Norman Kiteser.
Dear Norman, the April 19th show at the Meadowlands
was the host for what could become a major problem.
Including myself, there were 16 photographers at ringside.
A situation which made it difficult for the regular photographers,
not to mention the wrestlers, to do their jobs properly.
Let's stop there, because 16 was all in caps here.
have you ever heard of that many photographers
or ringside? No, that's
ridiculous. And hold on
because
one of the, I have pictures that Paul
took of us in the Meta-Lands. I think
that was the February show. I'm looking
in my book. You can continue
reading if you want, but I'm looking up that
time period to see if we were on that April
show. I don't think this would be you because I think this is April
85. Oh, that's
85. Well, in that case then
fuck that.
those 16, three were representing your publication, exclamation point.
I was there, as usual, and two other gentlemen, partners, I believe, named Bob Epstein,
and I can't remember his partner's name, were there with authorization to cover for
the wrestling news. Gary Juster told me you okayed them. He gave them up right away.
This creates a potentially dangerous situation.
One of the reasons Vince McMahon Jr.
threw the press out in February 1983
was because he was tired of the shenanigans
that went on each month involving who represents whom.
Bill Aptor would have two guys at ringside.
This guy would complain.
This paper wanted to get in.
This guy's credentials were questionable, et cetera.
And although Junior's primary motive
was his magazine, the fact remains that he was not lying when he told us that the press situation
was ridiculous. So let's stop there because obviously you've seen footage, you never shot
ringside at the garden, there were regulars on top of any special guests like local media
for the newspapers or whatever. At what point as a promoter or a booker do you not want? I mean,
you want some kind of action, I guess maybe at ringside, someone's shooting pictures, it makes it look
like a big deal, especially when you had flash.
But when they're bumping into each other and fighting for the shot, what do you do?
Well, and there is a happy medium, and there has to be a limit.
And all of these things can be true at the same time.
At the garden, for the people who have seen, God, not only the stuff that's out there from
the 70s because of the WWE collection and the stuff they've got in the vault and everything,
but even the pictures back in the 60s,
the garden was always a close area
around ringside,
close, not roomy, not spacious,
is what I'm trying to say.
The seats were pretty close to the ring,
and there were the press tables.
Bill Aptor, even into the 70s,
because it was, in the, up through the 60s,
it was set up like boxing at the garden theme
for wrestling,
You've seen the pictures.
They had four ropes.
They had a boxing ring.
There were four ropes on the Madison Square Garden wrestling ring through the 60s.
And after he used to talk about having to stand up because of the height of the garden ring,
but lean over the narrow press table they had that ran down one whole side of the ring
and stick his head under the bottom rope to try to get a good picture.
It's like he got scoliosis.
So they didn't do or encourage until really the Vince Jr. era, guys fighting outside the ring in the garden because of the riot in 57 and all that other stuff.
And so that's why since they hadn't done a variety of stuff like that for so long, when they started doing it, it was, you know, they had to give you some more room.
but still people were, it was tight around there.
So to the photographers, yes, you always had your main guys,
Bill Apter, obviously, George DePolitano for his section of the,
of the wrestling magazine universe, the photographer, the Frank Amato's of the world,
and all of the guys that shot at the garden that were regulars,
you had to allow access because the magazine publicity was still, you know, very important in those days,
but you couldn't go down the line to everybody that wanted to get in.
That's how, remember Paul admitted himself that he called up and bullshit at Vince Senior
and said he promised to give him a press pass when he never had to shoot pictures.
that made him the fourth or fifth photographer
at Madison Square Garden right there.
But, you know, so you had to draw a line.
And usually, usually because of the closed nature of the business
in one, you know, any particular market,
if they had somebody shooting picture, me in Louisville,
Mike Shields was doing Memphis,
Scott Teal was in Nashville,
this other, you know, you had one or two
photographers in a territory that did everything
needed to be done. It's just because the garden was such a big deal.
Everybody wanted to get in on that. But again,
and modern day TV tapings also,
before when they were still trying to use old-fashioned,
ring setups with not a lot of room around ringside,
now with guys with TV cameras and cable pullers and still
photographers and ramps, and it was a goddamn pain in the ass.
Anyway, I'm sorry I'm droning on.
Well, no, back to this letter here, again, about this situation, and Vince McMahon
Jr.'s response to it.
I see the same thing happening here.
If enough wrestlers complain to Vern Gagne and or Gary Juster, the press may start
finally get more and more difficult to have their cooperation in future months.
Already, the press has been banned from their most recent TV tapings in Wayne, New Jersey,
and the only way to prevent this from expanding into a bad situation
is to limit the number of photographers at ringside.
If possible, from now on,
please be extra careful about giving additional authorizations out
for Pro Wrestling USA Northeastern Matches.
Except for me, we would like not to have anybody else around.
One photographer per magazine is adequate,
and it keeps the situation around the ring under
control.
I would hate to see Vern get mad one night and start throwing press members out
arbitrarily.
Thank you, Paul Heyman.
P.S., the Metal ads material and early material for next month's programs will be on
their way in two days, because he was already helping with those programs.
And, well, and that makes sense, it's 85, because that's when Vern and the pro wrestling
USA guys were in charge, hence Gary Jester, and by...
February the next year, the first time we went up, Crockett had, they were still working with Vern, but Crockett was the primary person flowing forward for that.
For all the reasons, Pro Wrestling USA as a concept, didn't work.
Yeah.
I have Norm Cicers' response, April 26, 1985.
Paul Heyman, per your letter, I understand the situation about too many.
Oh, Paul Heyman, Paul Heyman.
I understand the situation about too many photographers being not good.
That's a bad sentence.
I am well satisfied with your stuff and want to explain what happened.
The only person I vouched for was Mr. Bob Dorer, D-O-E-R-R-E-R.
I've never heard of any of these people.
A correspondent I've had for over five years.
He wrote me and asked if he and his friend could get press passes for the matches
and he said he would send me some photos.
He and Norman Blake.
They are the ones who have sent me some photos from Madison Square Garden.
I relayed his request to Gary Juster.
I can't find any one of my correspondence filed name Epstein.
Although, when you've been publishing wrestling magazines for over 25 years,
I'm not sure if at some point or another someone by that name did do work for me
or one of the magazines I've taken over.
There was this one kid named Juan.
I think, though, that Bob Dorer must be the person at the Meadowlands.
I didn't realize there was a problem with too many photographers,
but realize how that could happen, and I won't okay anyone but you for the Meadowlands in the future.
Basically, I just ask Gary and he can say yes or no to anyone,
but I did ask about Bob Dorer.
I'm sorry if this contributed to the overcrowding,
and from now on I'll just tell anyone who asked that you are sending us the photo.
We need. The other side was at the time this came up, excuse me, at the time this came up,
I didn't have any photos yet of everyone, specifically the Tonga Kid, that Gary wanted in a program.
I have a photo of him from you now. I guess being in the situation where I am at the present,
I look for help from anyone that I can, since without newsstand distribution, basically,
I have a very small budget to work with
and can't afford to buy material
so I accept help from anyone I can.
But you are doing more than adequate.
Excuse me.
But you are doing more than adequate job,
oh, that is the way it's written,
of supplying me with excellent material from your area.
Well, it's always nice
when a guy that's almost bankrupt
tells you you're more than adequate.
I'm just happy to have your help
and that you are willing to give it in return
for free copies of the magazines.
I think I've explained some or all of this in the letters to you before,
but if not, I will hear,
if this letter seems a bit disjointed,
I'm writing it late Friday at the end of a long work week.
I apologize for the errors.
Anyway, by way of explanation,
my setup is as follows.
You know what?
Even though he's tired and he's had a long work week,
brevity was never Norm Kiteser's
ace in a hole.
As far as wrestling is concerned,
my basic business is the wrestling news.
I purchased the subscription and editorial files
of Ring Wrestling and the Wrestling Review
from RingCorp.
And then Jim, it goes into detail here.
It's a little...
The carbon copy's a little messy
about his deal with RingCorp
previously. They owe him
a substantial amount
from when they did something,
his percentage, but he agreed,
but I agreed to take my payment
from their profits of future issues,
that leads me with subscriptions and area sales,
also the program business.
The programs I give to promotions at cost
basically for two reasons.
One is as part of the deal
I have a subscription ad
for the magazine in each one,
and the other is I gain material for the magazines.
Oh, good Lord, but hold on now.
So he wasn't
making a profit on the actual...
He was having programs...
In 85.
In 85, but he was having programs printed for a variety of the territory still.
Was that he still at that point was doing stuff for Mid-South for Watts?
Yeah, 85 he was doing stuff for Watts.
He was finishing up with Vern because Vern was going to start doing other things.
But he wasn't even making a profit on selling them their programs that they were turning around and selling for a profit.
And see, that was, just so you know,
when I started doing the championship wrestling magazine
for the Memphis Territory here, remember it was the 16-page thing.
We just wanted something extra to sell at the matches.
And I was, God damn.
If we sold them for $2, I was selling them to
teeny for like a dollar.
And I was getting them from him for like 65 or 70 cents,
let's say, whatever.
but then the reason why he offered me, wait a minute,
it was all 16 pages of my stuff.
He said, I'm not getting my ads for the wrestling news magazine in this.
And they're out selling the wrestling news.
So he gave me for the same price like a full size magazine,
the same size magazine as you would buy on the newsstand.
In fact, what was it?
68 pages or no, it was 50?
something, whatever, if he could put his ads in and I got more content for the same fucking
price so he could get his ads in. That really was the way he was making all of his money
was just with the fucking ads. Let's go back to the end of this. There were quite a few
correspondents who helped me by giving me material in return for copies of the magazine,
although no one has given me as much as you have of late. I just wanted you to know
that I really do appreciate all your help.
I'll follow your suggestion about photographers for the USA and the Northeast.
I should have thought of that earlier.
I thank you again, and I'll close for now.
But it's like nothing you can write to him that he won't write back a kind of pleasant...
Yes, he was a very pleasant fellow.
Here's an example of what Paul Heyman would be writing up for indie promotions to hype them up 40 years ago, 1985.
Independent Championship Wrestling, the ICW, is headed by Bob Raskin of Raskin's Sports Productions.
and holds cards in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, and Delaware.
This promotion is shaping up to be the biggest and best independent promotion on the East Coast,
and promoter Raskin has announced that he will soon be holding a tournament
to decide heavyweight and tag team champions.
Certainly among the favorites to win the tournament is Private Rocky Jones,
the muscular youngster who is the latest protege of Sergeant Slaughter's.
never heard a private Rocky Jones
I've never heard
apparently he never even made corporal
always a good wrestler
Jones has shown remarkable improvement
since his training under the Sarge
another favorite
though not of the fans
is the former Rikers Island
corrections officer
Smokin' Steve Sandor
who recently had a run-in-with Jones
in Portchester, New York
The 6'2-355...
Where we're at the mall?
The six...
Over at Dairy Queen?
Where did they have this run?
I've never heard of any of these names.
The 6-foot-2-315-pound rule breaker has vowed to become the first ICW heavyweight champion.
Dominic Danucci has also announced his intentions of winning the tournament.
Good Lord!
A seasoned veteran.
No kidding!
Is it seasoned?
He's positively cured and pickled.
By that, nice...
1885, where would Danucci have been 65?
Dominic is more popular now than ever.
Many people think the best bet for the tag team title
is the team known as the Executioners.
These two well-built grapplers
have done very well of late
and have announced they will indeed enter the tournament.
They may, however, be upset by the exciting new tag team
of Larry Winters and the Leopard Mask.
Winters is one of the best scientific wrestlers in the independence today
and leopard mask with his backflips, flying head scissors,
double flips, and drop kicks from the top rope that has to be Ted Petty.
May very well be the finest high flyer on the independent circuit.
Yeah, that's got to be Ted Petty from Guatemala Tiger Mask before he became the Cheetah Kid,
wherever the Cheetahs are from.
I can't be Tiger Mask.
what should I be? He was the cheetah kid. Before that he was leopard mask? I didn't know that.
These two make a dynamite team. Other wrestlers who have appeared on recent ICW shows include The Terminator,
Davy O'Hannon, Damian Kane, Crystal Monroe, nature girl, and Pete Sanchez.
In a late-breaking development, promoter Raskin has announced that he has reached an agreement
with Pro Wrestling USA as America's heavyweight champion
Larry Zabisco will be defending his belt on several upcoming shows.
They will be on May 10, 85, in Heightstown, New Jersey.
For the America's Heavyweight Championship,
Larry Zabisco versus Private Rocky Jones.
Special attraction, Smokin' Steve Sandor versus an opponent to be named.
Tag team attraction, the Executioners,
versus Larry Winters and Leopard Mask,
plus a ladies attraction
and a special midgets match
plus an appearance by the basher
The basher
There's a Paul Heyman
Indy Press right up from there
40 years
What a difference 40 years makes
What is this?
Oh wow, look at this
And this is a sign too
This is two Norman Kiteser
May 1st 84
From Jim Crockett Promot
Promotions
It's signed by James A. Crocket Jr.
President Carbon copy
Paul Heyman P.O. Box
Same one you got
This is on the letterhead with the Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling logo,
the Charlotte Orioles and Worldwide Wrestling,
or as it says here, wide world wrestling.
Dear Mr. Kiteser, regarding press privileges for Paul Heyman.
Thank you for your correspondence of April 24, 1984,
wherein your requested press privileges for Mr. Paul Heyman
at the upcoming event to be held at the Meadowlands in New Jersey.
Mr. Hayman should direct his request to Michael Rowe at the Meadowlands.
sincerely Jim Crockett
Jim Crockett Promot's Incorporated
Which is another way of saying
Leave me alone
I don't give a shit, leave me alone
I don't know who any of these people are
And I don't care
I'm fighting Vince
Why the hell you call it?
Yeah I don't care if they
I can have the police photographer
There to draw chalk outlines
on the floor
Oh here it is too
This is April 24th 1984
I dear Mr. Crockett
I am writing this letter to request press privileges
from Mr. Paul Heyman at the upcoming card that you are promoting at the Meadowlands in New Jersey.
Mr. Hayman regularly contributes material to our wrestling publications,
and any courtesy you would extend would be appreciated.
I ask that you grant his press privileges for this wrestling card.
Sincerely, Norm Kiteser, Paul Heyman, carbon copied on this.
This is a little bit after that.
Studio 54, one night only, in person.
Rick Flair!
You are invited to join,
World's Heavyweight Champion nature boy, Rick Flair, as he accepts the first annual
wrestling press international man of the year award.
I have that around here.
He sent me one at the time.
I have that around here somewhere.
Friday night, August 23rd at New York City's famous studio 54.
Doors open at 9 p.m.
This flyer entitles you and a guest to complimentary admission until 10 p.m.
Come early, stay late.
Bring this flyer with you.
and you are entitled to a special discount after 10 p.m.,
$12 per person for you and a guest anytime after 10 p.m.
For more information called the Studio 54 hotline, 24 hours a day.
And now some people have to go, what the fuck?
And Paul was doing publicity for Studio 54 or had them convinced he was doing some kind of publicity
so he could get pictures of himself with celebrities
and meanwhile he was getting
the getting into wrestling
by getting the wrestling people into Studio 54
so when they told Flair
oh come to Studio 54 and get an award
he's like ooh and it was you know
woo these these things actually happened
I think he got Dusty and Magnum there too
either around a Philly show or a Metal Land show
it may have been Philly actually
but he got them there too
and then that's where Bam Bam Bigelow debuted
I was about to say
The Studio 54, was that not the site of Bam Bam Bigelow's debut match in pro wrestling?
See, there's a ton of like early Bam Bam Bigelow stuff in here.
There's a ton of like early everyone that Paul Heyman encountered.
Does he have pictures of the manager pictures of him on the stool with the Motor City Mad Men?
Yep, I got the original mint condition, one of those.
What is this from?
December 2nd, 85, front page of the Torrington Register Citizen.
Dr. D. Schultz and fan charged after scuffle at wrestling match.
And here's a patron David Schultz walking out of the police station.
Was the police station on fire at the time, or does everything look peaceful?
Professional wrestler Dr. D. David Schultz already the target of a lawsuit after striking television reporter John Stossel,
got into another scuffle after a wrestling match Sunday night.
according to 22-year-old Leonard Rinaldi,
a fan in the audience at the Torrington High School gymnasium,
Schultz 35,
attacked him and struck him on the head with his boot
as the wrestler was leaving the ring for the dressing room.
All I did was touch him.
Wait a minute, with his boot in his hand.
Yeah, I don't know. I guess did he kick him?
I don't know what exactly that's supposed to mean,
but let me go back to this.
All I did, this is Rinald,
all I did was touch him.
And the next thing I know there was a size 13 boot coming down on my head.
Rinaldi said at the Torrington police station after the incident.
Both Schultz and Rinaldi were charged with breach of peace.
Police would not comment further on the incident Sunday night.
Schultz, who lives in Woodbridge, was released on written promise to appear in court December 16th.
Rinaldi, and has his home address here, who lives in Torrington, received a court.
dated December 6.
Rinaldi, who said he had touched other wrestlers at the event?
And shook hands with a female wrestler, said Schultz shouted,
Don't touch me, you punk, during the scuffle.
A slight man weighing about 150 pounds,
Rinaldi, clearly shaken by the incident,
says he covered his face when he hit the floor
and later complained of a throbbing head
and pain in his upper body.
William
Montoblo,
a fan sitting near Rinaldi.
No.
What is his name?
Montembeau?
It's...
Montembleau?
It's a mighty name.
A fan sitting near Rinaldi
said wrestler Jim Brady
pulled Schultz away from Rinaldi.
Police later arrived at the scene
and brought the burly wrestler
to police headquarters.
Brady and other wrestlers followed him.
At police headquarters, Brady and other wrestlers expressed considerable anger at Schultz's situation.
After Schultz and Rinaldi left headquarters, Brady invited the fans to his next scheduled bout in Washington, D.C., which happens to be with Schultz.
Montemblow, Montembout, whatever this guy's name is.
Mighty Blue.
Who earlier vowed, never to watch pro wrestling again, said he and Rinaldi would attend the fight in
Washington.
We have to, the 19-year-old said.
It's a grudge.
Schultz is being sued by ABC TV consumer reporter John Stossel after an incident
in a taped interview for 2020, and it goes into that.
American Legion Post-28 sponsored the wrestling event at the high school,
attended by more than 500 people.
Schultz made his wrestling debut in Winstead in October at a trans-world wrestling match
sponsored by the police union.
Well, there it is.
Heyman sending in all sorts of reports that,
oh, he's a stooge too, we found out.
He wants to make sure that Schultz's misfortune
makes the paper.
It made the front page of the papers.
Heyman just sent in a copy of the paper.
How many fight?
You know, we always hear about wrestlers
did this and that.
How many are there that we just have never heard of
from this era?
You think you hear everything.
Oh, good God.
No, no.
David Schultz beating up some fan.
No, you haven't even heard all of mine.
and I've been telling them for 30 years.
No, that was, you can go back through any city's newspapers
that had regular wrestling, and you will find the,
you know, I've got some from the 70s at the Louisville Gardens
where the fan was arrested, disorderly conduct or assault,
or fan suing.
You can do the same thing for every town in America that had a newspaper.
You'll find them every so often.
or the fan had a heart attack fucking at the matches.
You'll find those in every city through the 20th century
that had fucking wrestling periodically.
And, you know, and nobody knows about them today.
And many of them were not reported.
A lot of shit that scuffles that I either saw or was in,
just in the 80s was never reported in the paper
or, you know, a public topic of discussion,
bam, bam, I hit that fucking guy that hit hit me or kicked me, I hit him, whatever.
That happened constantly.
Well, I'll tell you, well, let's end this edition of From the Files with real quickly two cards
for programs that were done by Wrestling Press International, publisher and editor, Paul Heyman.
This one, a night of professional wrestling, Tottenville,
High School, Staten Island, New York, November 19, 1985.
Johnny Rods versus Kurt Von Hess.
Jesus Christ. Good Lord. What? Can that be the original Kurt Von Hess?
Certainly not. It does not say.
Steve Sandor versus Larry Winters, Special Girls Attraction, Lady Adonis versus Jody Shields,
The Road Warriors versus Larry Sharp and Mike Kalua.
and the main event, Sergeant Slaughter versus Boris Zuccoff.
And then a couple days later, November 23rd.
And again, obviously, for people going, what?
He had arranged through probably Gary Jester to get four guys from Vern,
Road Warriors and Zuccoff and Slaughter.
Zabisco.
Slaughter.
Yeah, and it's a night of professional wrestling featuring Sergeant Slaughter
and the Road Warriors on the cover.
A couple days later, the 23rd.
Carteret, New Jersey, the high school,
publisher and editor, Paul Heyman's,
NAWF consultant, Chuck Richards.
That's Chris Candido's grandfather.
Yes.
Yeah, does it say anything else about him in here?
It doesn't say, doesn't say, but...
Oh, he is the...
He's the promoter, actually.
He says consultant. He is the promoter, as it turns out.
Midgets, midgets, midgett.
It just says the word midgets over and over about ten times.
Tiger Jackson versus Pancho Boy.
Larry Winters...
Tiger Jackson, by the way, later on would be one of the doinks, wouldn't he?
Well, he was dink.
He was dink. Dinks.
Well, one of the doinks.
One of the dinks.
He was dink.
A dink, a dink adink a do.
After that big feudal little Louis that he had for a while.
Larry Winters versus Jim Lundas.
What?
Obviously there was a second Jim Lundice.
There were a few Jim Lundis, I guess.
Tom Rice versus Jeff Grippley
bonus match
Bam Bam Bigelow
B-I-G-O-L-O-W
versus Sailor Eddie Shore
A special challenge match
Pretty Boy Larry Sharp
Versus the Cheetah Kid
spelled C-H-I-T-A
The Cheetah kid
Because Cheetah Rivera
was booked
And the main event, a super special tag team attraction.
The Masked Russians versus the Tonga Kid.
And Samoan number three, in parentheses Samu.
So there we go.
A look at part one of a multi-part that we may do other ones in between.
From the files, Paul Heyman, any closing thoughts here?
Paul Heyman's got so many parts we could go into now.
Oh, here's a nice business card, an original monster factory business card.
They got color on it and everything.
Here's Paul Heyman with a healthy head of hair.
Precious argues with reporter Paul Heyman as the interview comes to an abrupt end.
And then it's Hayman and Jimmy Garvin and precious and she's...
He was shooting angles with himself when he was a fucking reporter.
That's right.
All right. Well, that was from the files, Paul Heyman, getting us off on a good note.
Let me put this giant file down.
I'm glad I was able to kick that off with the postcard from my dear friend.
It's funny how that got me banned from Sabatim.
for whatever. What were you about to say?
I was going to say it's funny how that worked out.
It worked out a...
The only other time that happened recently was when we both ended up doing something
about Pat Malone independent of each other and came in from the files too, actually,
now that I think about it.
Yes.
All right, well, that was the latest from the files.
Paul Heyman, again, we'll have more about that.
Anything else before we can do it on my show?
Well, I pulled another document, another document out of the drawer,
and I had forgotten until I see that.
I know I did it because it's in my handwriting.
And so now that I see it, I remember doing it, and I don't have a date on it.
But I'm assuming it is somewhere in and around 1997, and I want to see if you can help me narrow it down by some of the comments I'm making.
But they asked me as part of the, what was I part of at this point in time, the establishment, the producers,
former member of the creative team, whatever the fuck I may have been on at the time.
opinions on some of the talent in the WWF at the time.
And for the people who think that I have just,
in my old age,
become cranky and negative.
I wanted to throw some of this out there.
This is 97.
I think you were on the creative team that whole year, weren't you?
Well, I guess.
Oh, yeah, I guess. I was saying, I was off to creative,
but no, I was on creative until the end of 97.
So yes, as a member of the creative team and a producer,
and potentially at time
and on-camera talent
and announcer and whatever the fuck else I was doing.
And this is not,
I don't remember what
the impetus for me commenting
on these people was
because it's specifically these people
and not the whole talent roster.
So I'm assuming
that these were the people
and when you hear some of the names,
you'll probably figure it out that they were
bobbling on the fence about and wanted to get multiple opinions on
or had no direction for or what do we do with this guy or whatever
and this is why these people were being commented on but would you like to hear some of
this yeah i'd love to hear this oh yeah you just want to hear all kinds of dirt on people
no it just it seems like that some people think that i just i put on airs brian on the show these
days would I give people my opinions and that certainly to God he really wasn't always like this.
So I just wouldn't see if I sound any different when I'm giving opining on people from almost
30 years ago.
And number one, Tiger Ali Singh.
Oh my God.
And bear in mind, this is going to Vince McMahon and also the creative establishment and the
upper echelon of producers.
and whatever the fuck,
and they've asked,
what do you think?
This ain't going out
as a goddamn newsletter
to the company.
So I'm supposed to tell them
what I really think.
This guy is a heat-seeking missile.
I'm not talking about the fucking performer.
I'm talking about the individual.
His work is not horrible.
He can certainly get better,
but only if he is made to realize
he has a long way to go.
He has convinced the whole crew
he thinks he's a star.
And I think he needs to be told.
In no uncertain terms, he is not and may never be unless his attitude improves.
I don't know that he's being a jerk on purpose, but he has that reputation.
A lot of people saying it.
His father needs to be made to realize his son has a lot.
That's in capitals to learn, as that may be where part of the problem lies.
Oh, stop right there.
Stop right there.
Like, someone's going to call him Tiger Jean-Sick and say,
Hey, Tiger, we got a problem with your kid and it's your fault.
You know, they said, what do you think of these people?
It's easy to say this one.
It's not near you with his saber, isn't it?
Hey, when fucking Terry Taylor told me,
Jim starts sending in critiques of the TV show in TNA in 2009.
I said, you want me to be honest,
or you want me to say,
But, you know, somebody wants to hear who's the audience?
No, we want to hear what you really think.
And it fired me six weeks later.
Where's that?
Where's that document?
Oh, I think I've got those.
I don't have them printed out.
I've got those still on my computer, I think.
I'll have to print some of those out sometime.
Because I've got the computer in March of that year, I think.
But nevertheless, back to Tiger Ali.
get rid of the Iron Sheek at ringside
as it tells people Tiger is a goof
and a comedy figure.
Dump the Canadian flag.
Remember when he, because he was from Toronto,
they were having him wave the Canadian flag?
I mean, this is a long document.
So I'm not going to read every word of all of these,
but teach him to sell like a heel
because nobody is going to buy this guy
as a tough guy with all the physical specimens.
we've got around here.
The rest is up to him.
You were right. By the way, that all bared out being,
I mean, I don't know about the father being the root of the problem,
although you're not the only person to say that,
but everything you said was true.
Okay, well, Rick Bogner, remember he was fake razor.
Oh, yeah, yeah, big titan.
They had signed him and done that,
and that apparently was on the downhill side.
slide because I'm calling him Rick Bagner.
And first time I'd ever fucking heard of the whole thing was when he became fake
razor.
But Rick Bagner, he's not horrible.
He's not as good as 10 guys I can name immediately that are not working here.
He's done some dumb things, but so of a lot of people.
I can't remember what the dumb things were that they were mad at him for doing.
If his contract is just about up, I see no reason to renew.
I'm
okay
here's another time
you know
I hate to say
you don't want anyone
to lose their job
but you weren't wrong
when he came to Rick Bogner
other than the stuff
he did in Japan team
and go Mike Awesome
and then fake razor
what did he ever do
anything ever again?
I don't
he was
uh
he lived in Canada
for a while
I know that
he's got that going for him
uh
here's another time
narrower
Darren Drozdov
no comment
as yet he's never had a match in front of people.
So I'd seen his workouts and everybody knew he was, you know,
a great physical specimen, but as far as it was too early.
Flash Funk.
You remember Flash Funk?
Does everybody know that Flash Funk was too cold Scorpio
when Rick James and Sly Stone had a baby?
They signed two cold Scorpio,
away from,
not away from,
after he was there at WCW,
whatever it was.
And Vince tells us,
yeah,
he's going to be Flash Funk.
And I thought he was kind of kidding.
And then I was like,
was he going to be a member of the Funk family with Dorian Terry?
And Flash Funk ended up being,
Brian,
as you'll recall,
Rick James with the,
Funkettes, you know, with, because Vince, I don't know what the fuck.
And, you know, that's one of the times I learned not to see a joke to Vince sometimes
because he wouldn't, he would like the joke for real.
And they actually did call and find out if fucking, what was her goddamn name?
And Esther on Sanford and Son.
she was going to do a fucking day
because I think that's why she have
Aunt Esther from Sanford to son
do whatever the fuck on the pay-per-view
they actually called her agent
Are you serious?
I never heard that.
I'm serious as a fucking heart attack
and by that time she was too ill
to she wasn't doing these things
or anything I don't know
but I said what the fuck
has Vince Pop for it?
I mean, no, I'm just...
So anyway, here's what I said about Flash
He's got a ton of talent.
He didn't carry the ball with this gimmick very well,
but we didn't give him a lot of help trying to soft pedal Vince's ideas.
Suggested he'd be encouraged to drop a few pounds because they were,
they were thinking he was a little bit portly.
But how about do an angle with one of the nation members ripping his funky clothes
and stomping his feathered hat and call him names.
And then have him come out and thank them.
And they were right.
And that was stupid.
And I'm too cold Scorpio to me kick your fucking ass.
Yeah.
I would like that.
They didn't do that.
See, that's the problem.
I was a big fan of Too Cold Scorpio,
at least until he stopped wearing pants.
When he came out of trucks, it didn't work as well.
But no, Two Cold Scorpio was awesome in WCW.
And he was gone pretty quickly.
He was gone by 94.
For Vince to bring him in and give him just a goofy.
you know, that's along the lines,
I know it's a little bit after,
it's along the lines of the T.L. Hopper
and that kind of stuff,
a unnecessary gimmick,
and it was so hammy.
You know, the idea that this guy we've been seeing on TV,
WCW had a lot of viewers.
This guy who were seeing on TV is all of a sudden out there
in this outfit.
It was ridiculous.
I can only assume that this footage,
because it burned in my memory,
but it would be a,
it would have been a meme over the past few years.
But Flash,
Funk's first night at a TV tape, but he was doing a dark match.
They didn't have any music for him yet.
And revend the music they had, oh, God, almighty, that they ended up using for him.
That wasn't any favors either.
But I got some music for him.
I went out in the car, got my fucking actually Rick James cassette.
And they played Love Gun for him to come to the ring.
And here comes Vince is going to.
ring side as they hit this.
He doesn't realize he walks out right as they hit the fucking music.
And so the footage, what we got for the first part of the entrance before Flash came out
was Vince in his own discombobulated way trying to dance to the funk of Rick James all the
way down the aisle to the ring.
It looked like a disconnected bucket of body parts.
He was like a male Elaine Benis.
Yes.
It was, but anyway, but that's the only night that Flash Funk ever had good music.
Anyway, hold on, Eric Watts.
He's a fine young man and I wish him all the best in finding another career to pursue.
God, Dick.
That was, you know, what was he doing in 97?
Because Techno Team 2000 was, was it a year and a half earlier?
Was it 95?
Well, see, remember, these are people that may have been on contract,
whether, whatever was happening with them.
They were on contract.
So these contracts maybe have been coming up.
What do we do?
We need ideas or opinions.
Poor Brackus.
You remember Brackus, Akam Albrecht, a great guy, that physique.
It was amazing.
He just, he was so green and he couldn't, he couldn't loosen up.
I'm not going to bury him.
Justin Bradshaw
Remember at this point
he had been made one of the new blackjacks
with Barry Windham and they had bleached their
not bleached there
dyed their hair jet black
looked like Bill Dundee after a trip to the hairdresser
I guess I was about to say did they already do that by then
because he was Justin Hawk Bradshaw but 97 yeah I guess he would have already done that
well yes because because they're right here and
and I refer to it so I know
they've already done this at this point, but, but yes, they were the,
because I don't know if I've told everybody in a while, but Smoky Mountain Wrestling,
John Layfield, Justin Hawk Bradshaw had been writing and sending me pictures and videotapes
for about a year. And finally, I say, you know what? I said, we need a new baby face.
this okay and I'd said okay
book you start in Christmas week and we closed up
after Thanksgiving so he was all
almost booked there but I liked his gimmick that he was
doing at the time he was just a wild ass fight he was more Stan
Hanson than he was one of the blackjacks or anything
but he was himself right that's kind of he had been wrestling
for the GWF so it was on ESPN still and no one watched it
But he was kind of like a, there's no other comparison, a modern Stan Hanson, even though not to the level of Stan Hanson.
Yeah, so Justin Bradshaw, I see him as a wild screaming, goofy, raw bone Texan, which is what he is, doing an angle with a top heel where he kicks the shit out of Bradshaw and have Bradshaw come back and beat him and then give him a bunch of interviews and he'll be a big baby face.
And, you know, the name, he could keep the black leather,
but let his hair go back natural, bring back his beard,
and lose his partner, dot, dot, dot, which comes to the next guy.
But point being, they ended up, except his hair was still jet black or whatever.
That's kind of like the APA, right, with him and Simmons.
You know, I can't get past losing.
the partner considering who the partner is? I can't wait to hear
with that. Well, but hold on.
But that was the thing is that they weren't giving him a chance to be
himself and that fucking, you know, just the goofy
outfit, the whole nine yards, Barry Windham.
That said, unfortunately, it seems time or whatever have
somewhat eroded BW's skills. Does
his style not work these days? He was
not one of the best the best but
potentially could he be hospitalized
by the heel that we might turn Bradshaw with
I mean basically is this
couple of sentences that I'm making
or that I'm writing here
in that it just it doesn't seem
Barry wasn't by that point it wasn't going to happen
he couldn't
he couldn't do
in that crowded
field in 1997 with a lot of top athletes what he could do in 1987 when he was better than
most all of them. But anyway, is that, you know, but I had to be, you know, I liked him,
but had to be honest. Well, that's the problem. After, after 94, it's almost impossible to name
a good Barry Windham match or, when I say good, just a match that's memorable. Match that,
you're like, wow, Barry Windham's awesome. And 94 is even a stretch. That was his comeback at
like Slambury
but his knees
already messed up
at that point
the stalker
the blackchacks
he was there
and you remember
him being there
but can you remember
like one moment
or one match?
No.
Apparently not.
Anyway,
anyway, moving on real quickly,
fatu,
fatu
and let's remember
this is before
Rikishi
but this was
after
the head shrinker
and I can't remember, were they, the Samo and SWAT team there at one point,
but they were the head shrinkers.
He was the sultan.
Did he already do the thing where he was like, whatever it was.
Like, you know, he's coming back from the streets to help kids, whatever that was.
No, he hadn't done that one yet.
No, he, I think he's the sultan.
He's the sultan here now because anyway, listen.
And again, later on as a different person, it was fine.
But right at this point, I said the people are just plain.
I'm thinking tired of looking at this fucking guy.
Enough is enough.
He has the same match over and over.
Multiple gimmicks.
Use the investment made in him to get some of the baby face roster over.
And for God's sake, please get rid of the Iron Sheek.
Jesus.
Well, it's just, you're not wrong.
You're not wrong.
It's just something hearing these evaluations all these years later.
Doug Furness and Phil LaFond, bless them.
I can't
I'm saying bring them back
so that means they were out
was that was this after that car wreck
they were in with Sid
depends on what time of 97 it was I'm not sure
Sid they were right in the car
with Sid and Sid tried
sit while going apparently
100 miles an hour in proximity
of more or less
wanted to adjust the fucking
moon roof
and after they flipped a few times,
everybody was fucked up in the ditch.
But remember,
Vince McMahon had not had
a previous knowledge of Doug Furness and Phil LaFond
nor any attachment to them whatsoever,
and they were a little too wrestling-like for his taste
just because at the time,
they were one of the best in-ring tag teams in the world.
Furness was the fucking freak athlete.
LaFahn had had injuries.
It was not his,
was not a sparkling
example of charisma,
but Doug was a beast
and I don't know why Vince didn't gravitate to him
because of the body and the athleticism.
But nevertheless, they're trying to be ready.
Part of it was because shit-stain,
the other V-word,
it couldn't stand these guys because they were athletes
and he didn't know what fucking do with him.
So he was, you know, constantly pecking at him.
But this was at a point in time.
When did Rood leave, Rick Rood?
That would have been after the Brett Hart thing.
So it would have been the very end, December?
It would have been December or the end of November?
Okay, then this was, he was still there
because they were wanting to make him
the figurehead of some type of group i don't know if they're going to call him manager or whatever
the fuck but for the brief period of time there was some creative there uh so i said bring him back
as rick rudes thugs hired muscle for his insurance agency i can't remember
lloyds of london well that's i mean some of these jokes went around the lloyds of london
but uh are these his collection men if people don't pay the premiums
That may have been an idea that was being floated.
I wrote Furnace is years better than LaFawn.
Have Rude do their promos and dress them in clothes and make them look menacing.
They were wearing some kind of odd gear to the ring.
And I said, and again, furnace is more long term.
And I don't know if they did come back ever.
Anyway, a couple more here.
Hold on. Mark Mero, would you like to hear this?
Yeah, did you always hate him? Let's find out.
Well, hold on.
First thing in capital letters, because remember, this is handwritten.
I turn these things in if the kind ladies in the office wanted to type them.
It was up to them.
Get him away from Sable, exclamation point.
She's a bigger reason why he's not over than his own lack of psychology.
No one notices he's there.
No one understands why baby face is coming out with a woman.
They weren't heels who switched like Gold Dust and Marlena.
Marlena fits the package because they understand why she's there.
Have Merrill say that he took, oh, this is while he's injured.
Say he took stock while injured and decided to concentrate on his career instead of his woman.
expand on the new tough guy boxer image, if possible.
That's when they started making him a boxer.
It, you know, but anyway, just, yeah, I said,
keep an intense attitude and have him do soft-spoken,
but intense interviews to detract or hide his high-pitched voice.
I mean, what the, you know.
Dusty Rhodes is a fucking genius and his idea was
let's make him into Little Richard.
Well, yes, and that's the only thing he could ever fucking do
because he was Little Richard.
Oh, hush, Jim.
Well, shut your mouth.
Because I got a eight full time now.
You want to hear Sable.
Oh, I didn't know.
I had to answer that.
Everyone wants to hear what you said about Sable.
Yes.
Well, yes.
I didn't, I wouldn't go to, well, I just won't do it now
if you didn't really jump on that.
Nobody's understood.
No, Sable.
to hear. I think Brock's listening right now.
Here is the quote,
T-shirt model, ring girl, sell her
T-shirts and posters just as long
as she has never allowed to speak in that
high school drama class drop out
monotone again.
So who would have been
most upset about you writing that?
Would it have been Vince or Kevin Dunn or Rousseau?
Like who was most invested in Sable at that point?
Well, I don't think Vince would have been
upset truthfully
and honestly.
except if I really skewered one of his pet ideas
and just took the piss out of it page after page,
Vince wouldn't have been upset if I'd have written about his own family,
so-and-so the shit's on TV,
because he looked at all of it dispassionately.
But fucking Russo was in multiple eras and multiple companies
despised when they would ask me anything about my opinion.
and that's why he immediately tried to discredit it as soon as he showed up anywhere
because he knew what it was going to fucking be
because as you can tell it doesn't often change over the decades.
And Kevin Dunn hated anything that I've said because it was me, you know, like me and him.
But Vince McMahon, you know, you could say any goddamn thing.
He didn't give a shit from getting mad point of view when you're doing this.
right he's as cold as he was as cold as ice about that stuff uh okay rockabilly and jesse james we're
going to close it out here oh is that the end of it or that's where you're closing it out
yeah well no that's that's the end of well he said honky talk man uh it i said honky talk
is a huge name i don't think people are seriously buying the gimmick anymore is anything but
I thought it said garish for a second there.
I could have said anything.
It was always garish, you know, garnish.
Can he make a good Colin?
A good Colin comment.
Can he make a good column that?
A good, no, a good colon commentator.
Collins is a colon.
It's the end of the thing in my writing is,
can he make a good color commentator
if he talked about himself a little less?
but it's a hell of a commute from Phoenix, right?
But do on sale, ticket appearances, PR appearances.
Because people could, that's when they were trying to shoehorn him in as a manager,
still doing his whole deal.
And he was the manager of Rockabilly, who was Billy Gunn.
This is pre-Degeneration X, okay?
As you'll see by my comments, this is when Billy Gunn was Rockabilly.
and road dog Brian Armstrong was Jesse James.
And the joke was that when we booked them against each other
in the opening match on the card, who does the job?
Because they can't beat anybody, either one of them, right?
They were completely buried them.
So, and I were real happy with that because I've always been a fan of the Armstrong family.
But nevertheless, rock,
of Billy and Jesse James.
I say keep these guys off TV completely for
three to four months to get the bad taste out of people's mouths.
Then reintroduce them as an old-fashioned
bumping heel tag team with a new age look and push them.
They need to beat people to get credibility and do angles to get
heat. Both are excellent promos.
Get them matching tights or jackets or something
because you remember at first what Rockabilly looked like,
especially when he was with honky talk.
But they have a real cocky attitude, especially Billy.
Have Midnight Express style tag team work,
take big bumps on the baby faces comeback,
but at the same time be more moderate.
JJ, Jesse James,
has used the name New Age Out.
law on his 900 number promos.
Maybe that's a team name.
I forgot I'd written this.
Wow.
Until I'm looking at this today.
They should have a team name, but definitely keep their individual names.
Billy Gunn and Road Dogg, Jesse, Road Dog had been, poor Jesse James had been the
roadie for Jeff.
which worked, by the way, that was, that worked and they built up.
They actually did a good job of building up to wanting to see the roadie get,
finally get his hands on Jeff Jarrett for the way he was treated, and then they both left.
And they both left all at the same time.
But nevertheless, individual names with a tag team name is what I was,
and also had finally keep him away from Sean Michaels in his attitude poisoning ways
and let them stand on their own
because they were starting to hang around in that group.
Nothing about Triple H or the Rock
because they were still on the way up.
97.
Well, no, because there wasn't any question about
whether or not they were going to keep them
or what they wanted to do with them.
These were the guys that was on the fence here.
You can tell.
There was no point in time where Triple H or the Rock
or whatever, oh, we're going to fire them.
But, and Road Dog and Billy, these guys may be a year away from it,
but they could be tag team champions and draw money if we dedicate ourselves to rebuilding.
That's fascinating.
That's specific one, the fact that you drop new age early on, you pointed out there.
Well, but it wasn't mine because Brian Armstrong had been saying that,
they did that bogus-ass 900 number where you had to do some type of programming,
the talent. I did some segments for a while, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And he was starting to call him, so I'm the new age outlaw.
And Brian's always had personality.
So I was just referencing what he was already doing,
but nobody was paying any attention to what he was fucking doing.
But it seemed catchy.
Well, it's interesting hearing that.
So I guess of those people, how, Tiger Raleigh Singh ended up staying like another year, right?
Was he there through 90s?
Well, see, I can't remember exactly because they sent him to Puerto Rico, remember?
Oh, that's right.
Yeah.
Which was under the guise of, well, we're working with the Puerto Rican promotion and you're in developmental,
so we'll send you down here to get experience, but really is like, just get to go away,
go away.
We got to fulfill our thing, but go away.
It's just so interesting that one and your notes about it, considering, you know, Tiger
J. Singh was a big star.
Huge, but only.
Toronto and Japan.
Toronto, Japan, and Detroit.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
And Detroit, because he was like the
antithesis of the sheikh, so they could have
the matter, anti-matter fucking confrontation.
Now, let me ask you, I'll ask you the question I asked about
Barry Windham from 97 and 90, or from 95 to 97.
I'll ask the same thing about Tiger Jit Singh forever.
Can you name one good Dr. Jit Singh match?
No, no, he was fucking right.
fucking rotten, as Rip Rogers would say.
So Tiger Ali Singh grows up watching his dad, that's his idol, thinking that's the way
a wrestler wrestles.
And Tiger Jit Singh is thinking, this is my son.
Of course he's going to be a star.
Well, but Tiger Ali Singh wasn't even trying to do because he understood enough to know
that you couldn't do the, what is the Tiger Jeet Singh version of the Sheiks gimmick, just wild
all over the building with a fucking sword and everything in the WWF,
but he fancied himself a tremendous athlete and premier worker and personality also.
Tiger Jit Singh is on that list for me of guys that when I saw their pictures and magazines,
they looked incredible.
Like, oh my God, chaos everywhere around this guy.
And then when I actually saw him wrestle, like him in a noki, it was terrible.
It was the worst shit ever.
And the thing is, he legitimately became a successful and rich business.
and multimillionaire and lived in a mansion in Ontario, wherever it was, outside Toronto.
Was it her a school named after him?
Yes.
He gave money to, I'm not trying to be facetious.
I don't know what his particular religious delineation or denomination is, but it's some type of, is it the Sikhs potentially?
I'm not sure either, so I can't say.
But nevertheless, there are a lot of his.
like-minded religious folk brethren of whatever denomination it is,
I'm told, in Ontario and in that province.
And he became a big deal in Toronto.
And the reason why also in Japan, because, you know,
you had a different style of the sheik.
The sheik had gotten over, but there wasn't only one sheik to go around.
Here came Tiger Jeet Singh.
Instead of a pencil, he's got a soul.
he's got a sword and it's a takeoff but it's still the same thing
and he was for inoki while sheik was for baba
and then at the same time tiger jeet Singh drew money
in Detroit because of his like
the style was like the sheikh so it fit in the territory and then they could clash
also but what i'm trying to say is besides that
besides overseas in japan in ontario for years
and the sheiks, Detroit,
where did Tiger Jeet Singh ever even wrestle in the United States,
much less be on top?
That's a great question.
Have I missed it completely?
He worked, did he, he worked Toronto,
but he never went to Mid-Atlantic and worked any shows that I could think of.
Didn't work Florida.
I can't think of.
Never in Georgia, never in Texas, never California.
He became some kind of,
wealthy fucking entrepreneur from being over in goddamn three places in the world.
Somebody's got to study that.
Move over, Johnny Powers.
Yeah.
Well, fuck Cleveland.
Well, there was also Buffalo.
But anyway, this is my show, and this has been a fine first edition of Jim going through
house.
Can I read one more thing here real quick?
We don't even, this is just something.
This is off topic.
was in my files also because I said it's they're not orchestrated very well but there's what this is a
letter that I wrote to someone that I would just like to read to you because again people think that
I'm putting on some kind of goddamn charade when I'm on these broadcasts and I want to let people
know that I'm consistent in my viewpoints it's a letter for me that I just kept a copy of I don't
actually know who it went to
and I had typed it out so I know I was pissed.
To whom it may concern, recently you sent me a bill for $131.89.
I paid this bill with a check for $131.131.88 and mailed it to you.
Yes, I accidentally wrote the check for one penny less than the amount of the bill.
instead of cashing this check and calling it even since there was only one penny difference
or even cashing the check applying the amount to the bill owed and sending me another bill for one penny,
someone in your office sent everything back to me.
Check, bill, even the envelope I mailed it in with a letter requesting I send a replacement check as soon as possible.
Quote unquote.
you spent 38 cents on your postage meter to ask me for one penny,
which is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of,
and you expect me to void the original check,
rebalance my checkbook, write another check,
and spend another 44 cents on a stamp to mail it back to you for one penny.
So here's how we're going to handle it.
I have enclosed a new check for the amount of the original bill,
$131.89, minus the 44 cents I had to spend on the second stamp because of this foolishness,
or a total of $131.45.
You can do one of two things.
You can cash this check and call it even before it goes any further,
or you can refer this account to a collection agent,
agency over 44 cents because I guarantee you this is the last payment you're going to get from me.
I advise you to take this money because we have already spent way too much time on this.
No wonder you rape people on the prices of any medical procedure if this is the stupid way you people
spend money and do business.
Signed me.
That's a classic.
Never heard another word, so apparently they chose option A.
That is ridiculous.
I mean, good for you, because I don't think most people would point that out to them.
I mean, at the time for no attention, it wasn't like you did this and put it on social media.
That's ridiculous.
And did they, you don't know.
I got a whole bunch of letters I've written to people over the years.
Letters to Pests is the file somewhere.
I remember that file.
It's in there in a stack.
But it's your show.
It is my show.
and again the first of many installments of Jim's letters and Jim's talent evaluations.
But Jim, on the topic of talent evaluations,
sometimes you've got to give a talent a good kick in the ass.
Sometimes it's to get them out of your office or out of your company.
Sometimes, well, let's just focus on those times because those are more reasonable.
And sometimes, you just want to go outside and kick the dirt.
and sometimes you got to work in the dirt.
It's a dirty business, ladies and gentlemen.
It's a dirty business working in dirt.
Dirty business and business that is yours requires the right footwear.
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How about a lifeline?
Jim.
That's not even what I thought it was.
I was on the wrong thing.
Let's...
Uh-oh.
Can I have a lifelike?
I phone a friend.
Yes.
If you...
I'll just take the tag.
Here, tag.
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I'm going to take their word for it on that, but I'll tell you what, they are slip resistant,
Brian.
You can back climb up a wall on these things, straight upside up and not slip.
Did you climb your walls yet?
You've been climbing the walls up there for a while now since you moved into the new house,
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I don't climb the walls, but I have to say these are the finest work boots I've ever had,
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You, yeah, going around watching all the gardeners you've got do the work.
I'm the one outside.
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As a matter of fact, I wish it would quit raining where I could put these boots on that I just got
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And then now they're waterproof.
They'd be just fine, but I don't want to stand out in the fucking rain.
But if you're working in mud, these things ain't going to slug.
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But anyway, folks, whether it's rain, mud, or standing water,
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As a matter of facts, get a couple of pair
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You know they smell good too
It doesn't work like that
But for your feet
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That's another thing
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And if they try to get out of that hole before you're ready for them,
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Well, let's focus.
That'll adjust their opinion.
Let's focus on activities that don't hurt or cause others.
Well, I'm just telling you,
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Clubfoot. Clubfoot is not one of them.
No, but it should be.
It should be because, you know, the people who
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Maybe there's a place you can go at bruntworkware.com
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Let's focus on what they have and what they have are great boots and other great items for your working experience.
They have hats.
Yes.
They send me a nice hat.
I'm a big fan.
Well, you can tell you've done a lot of hard work.
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These boots look better with cow shit on them than any other boots out there.
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Jim, let's let the listeners know a lot of people are out there working.
Where can they get boots that they can use?
Can they save money?
That's why they're working because they need to make money.
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Put on the hat.
It's still not going to,
it's what the hat doesn't put
an instant goddamn cone around me
to where I will not be soaked by the rain.
It'll keep the rain out of your eyes,
out of the glasses.
No, it would not.
If the wind is blowing,
it'd be saying,
a baseball cap to goddamn keep the rain out of your face on a fucking stormy day.
Is it windy? Is it really windy?
Well, it's going to be when it's raining.
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Jim wouldn't say he liked them if he didn't.
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all right footseys and tutzies and and i found something else as i'm sitting here within reach
while we were discussing there's just a couple of things i would have my files need to be refiled
because i should have found this for the dark side of the ring i found a christmas card from eddie
Gilbert.
Oh, wow.
What year?
Well, I'm not sure we're going to narrow that down, but the thing is it's not a
Christmas card from Eddie Gilbert the wrestler.
It's not an actual greeting card format.
It's the old deal where they would take, like at the drugstore when you got your
film developed, and they'd take your picture and they'd put like a little Merry
Christmas greeting at the bottom.
So it's a three and a half by five picture of Eddie as a ringside photographer posing
in front of the ring in Memphis with the red, white, and blue ropes.
At the bottom is a little Santa Claus thing.
It says, Merry Christmas, and he signed it.
But David Schultz is on the other side of the ring.
So I'm saying this has got to be taken.
77?
Well, and from Eddie's appearance, I say 76 or 77, one of the two of those.
But I never sent out pictures of me for Christmas.
Christmas to people.
I never like people that much to give them a gift of that kind of import.
Well, remember, when we went through the files of Eddie Gilbert from the wrestling
news archive, there were just tons of eight by ten promotional photos of him as a teenager
with braces, like, you know, not as a wrestler, but he was doing with that.
I took some of them.
He had better, he had better PR as a teenage photographer than his dad did as a wrestler.
But he was practicing.
He was practicing posing and he was getting publicity
and he was getting his name out
and he knew
he, you know, as the Darkside episode talked about,
he knew he wanted to do all those things
and he was just trying to hurry it up as quick as he could.
You know, it's interesting when you think about how he was as a teenager,
you know, forgetting about his future as a wrestler
and all the problems that later emerged.
But it makes sense when you hear that he also had a big interest in politics
that, you know, he wanted to be a politician.
I mean, he took that to wrestling eventually.
But in terms of just the schmoozing and the ability to,
even when he didn't want to smile and talk to someone,
smile and talk to someone.
Yeah.
You know, you could see why he likes politics.
Sincarity is the key.
When you can fake that, you got it made.
But that was the, and also he was such a pleasant young man.
He had no bad habits whatsoever.
He was,
if somebody you would have, you know,
let babysit your children when he was a teenager.
It was, you know, there was no,
wasn't like, I'm going to be one of these wild ass wrestlers.
So,
anyway.
Was it wrestling or was it wrestling in 1983 for the WWF?
You think that?
I mean, obviously the accident caused a lot of things
that would last throughout the rest of his life
in terms of things he would try to do to feel okay.
he had a really I mean his accident was really really bad but I in terms of who he was working with
you're trying to beat around and ask is would he have fallen into the trap that so many of the
other guys do if he hadn't already had a significant fucking hill to climb to get past the
accident to pain etc etc I from the eddy that I knew as a teenager I don't think so
and I mean I think the the other
problem that he had with wanting it too quick and not having the patience.
And, you know, because I think I said when we talked about the dark side episode,
I would blow up at the boss too if I was a Booker or, you know, that type of thing.
But it would take me so much longer.
And I would try to figure out another way around it first, whereas Eddie's came quicker.
was that problem exacerbated if he was doing substances
or was it just something that he always had the impatience, I don't know.
But that's the only problem he would have had in wrestling,
not, you know, going out and being a crazy person.
Like if you think about the places he was already, Memphis, Jerry Lawler, top star,
you know, no drinking, no drugs, cheeseburgers.
You know what I'm like, no drinking, no drugs.
he gets at a WWF in 83, Bob Backland, more so than Lawler.
No drinking, no drugs.
But then you also have Snooka.
You have, you know, Domaraco and Fuji.
It was a wild group of guys there and they were having wild times in a hotel.
Do you think that influenced him at all or do you think it's just the accident?
No.
Okay.
No, because I really don't.
It may have made it easier for him to get the shit that he needed once that he got his fucking neck.
caved in by the truck, but I don't think that he was a person at that point that was,
oh, I need to fucking jump in with these guys.
He wasn't that kind of guy.
Who was the first person from wrestling to send you a Christmas card?
Oh, good Lord.
He'd be up there or down there or back there where early on,
potentially teeny may have said her first one by that point.
depending on whether it's 77 or 78
something like that I got a couple from Lawler
actually one
he actually drew the
which which I hate to say this which
which wife was it but he drew them in front of their
fireplace and everything one of his pieces of art
that had a Christmas card made I got that around here somewhere
but I'm just I'm a saver I got one more thing here though
And then I'll turn your show back over to you.
Because you mentioned Lawler.
You know, he ran for mayor of Memphis a couple times, right?
And didn't do bad the first time around.
Right.
Came in fairly highly.
Do you know, this I'm going to say, I got this from one of my friends down
in Memphis, the girls that used to send me the newspaper ads,
the clippings for the matches and everything.
This has to be, I don't know what year the Memphis mayor's race was.
but this is late 70s at some point.
I got the flyer for when Prince Mungo ran for mayor of Memphis, Brian.
Who's Prince Mungo?
Prince Mungo was, as they used to say back when the world was a simpler time,
Prince Mungo was a local character in Memphis.
And he was from the planet Zambodia.
and he at various points attracted attention for doing things.
I think you could probably look him up.
Prince Mongo from Memphis.
But for one year, and I don't know who he had behind him,
it says the treasurer of his campaign was named Spirit Vincent,
but it was the Mongo for Mayor campaign from the planet Zambodia to Earth.
Your vote will make your dream around.
reality, October 6th.
How did he do?
I don't think he won.
And there's a picture of him on the front.
He's probably
in his 30s. He's wearing
he's got no shirt on, but he has
a necklace with, I believe, a couple
of bats dangling from some
beads. He has
a miniature skull on
his thumb of his left hand
and he's wearing a skirt
either made from,
it's a black and white photo, either made from
fur or feathers.
And the brochure says, we're going to go
Mongo for Mayor, your Zambodian candidate.
And it gives his, I think he had somebody help him
with some of these, the platform.
It's Prince Mongo promises.
But he was going to donate his salary to all the charities
of Memphis.
He was going to remove the city council,
eliminate personal property taxes.
You can bet on paramounties.
mutual betting on dog, horse racing, lottery, and bingo.
He wants to build more for the senior citizens and increase the economic aid for the poor and
the handicap.
No wonder he's from another planet.
His ideas sound good.
He said, the only jokes are the ones you have elected to political office.
So, you know, one of these candidates comes along every so often, just doesn't get to publicity
and then a chance is lost.
Look where Memphis could be today.
Yeah, it's a shame.
They didn't give it a shot.
Well, anyway,
what are you taking a shot at this week?
Well, Jim, let's go from that story.
Let's now talk about
the Prince Mongo of wrestling.
John Moxley's in the news.
I don't know if you've been following this story
or how much you've heard about it.
It got a lot of attention yesterday as the story broke.
I have an article here, Jim,
from Sports Illustrated or The Takedown,
on s.com, whatever any of this means.
The article by John Alba,
AEW and John Moxley sued for negligence,
civil assault, and battery by production crew member,
exclusive.
Christopher Dispensa is seeking compensation
following an incident on AEW Dynamite in 2003.
Jim, have you been following this?
I've been following a bit of it.
haven't read through the minutia as I believe we were about to examine, but at first I told you
right before we went on the air, I thought I might recognize this name, and I went back and was
able to find old emails that it was another Chris with an Italian sound and name that I was
thinking of. So it's not, I don't know this fellow. But I've seen the footage and have formulated
some hypothesis
sississuses
depending on
exactly who or who may not be full of shit here
but we'll discuss this, go ahead.
And like you said, it's from a cage match
that was on Dynamite, 2023.
Kenny Omega versus John Moxley
and before we even talk about this
or anything else, I didn't remember the incident,
did you?
Well, my God.
Did anyone?
Did anyone know?
Because there's much, much,
more violent chaos than this going on every week.
That's why you can't remember, you know, things like this.
But, you know, from the clip, again, it's nothing out of the ordinary that people would
have remembered based on the things that AEW do as a work and as part of the program.
the only way that it would be memorable
is if you had known at the time
that depending on who you want to believe,
the camera guy or the crew guy, cable puller,
whatever function he was serving,
was not ready for it and didn't know it was going to happen.
That's the only reason it's newsworthy.
Otherwise, it looks like they attack people,
crew members, security people, power bomb people off stages.
this didn't look like anything noteworthy at the time.
We're going back to this article from sI.com.
A production crew member who has worked with all elite wrestling since 2019
has filed a civil lawsuit against the company
and AEW world champion John Moxley, Jonathan Good.
In it, he alleges various degrees of negligence by AEW and Moxley
alongside civil assault
and battery against Moxley
concerning an incident on AEW Dynamite in 2003.
The lawsuit was filed against the parties on May 30th
in the Wayne County Circuit Court
that Christopher Dispensa,
a longtime wrestling and entertainment production crew member
who started doing contract work with AEW in 2019,
which is, by the way, the year that AEW started up on Team Base.
Yeah, it would have been hard to do.
start before that.
Dispensa is not a direct
employee of AEW
and provided services to broadcast
service group, which supplies
crew for AEW.
His legal team...
Can I jump in and just
to give some type of clarity
for people before we gloss
over it?
All of the camera people and the
sound people
and all of the technical crew
that work on the weekly
wrestling shows, even for many for the
WWE and for AEW or whatever, they're not
physically employees of the company and that's what they do with
their life all the time. There are some, especially the
WWE has some people that are full-time. AEW may have the same
thing in major positions, but in a lot of cases,
the producer of the television program will contract
for extra audio people, cable pullers.
You know, depending on the situation, camera people.
You usually want to have your camera people as regulars
because that's a specialized technique in wrestling.
But nevertheless, there's a lot of guys and women
on the various crews doing something for the television
that are just contracted from that local area
by whoever the producer is going through.
So this guy could have still done a variety of television tapings for him,
but he was not technically an employee of the company, whatever.
Well, back to this.
His legal team, Rate Law PLC, told the take down on SI
that he has not done work with AEW since December 5th, 2024,
and was demoted by Broadcast Service Group to the role of Carpenter without explanation.
But if he were a carpenter instead of a cable puller,
as of Monday morning,
how do you demote, wait a minute,
how do you demote somebody to be a carpenter
unless they already know how to carpet?
Right, unless you've already done woodwork.
You know, all of a sudden?
Yeah, he was out in the ring with the fucking cables
and the goddamn camera.
Now go build something out of wood.
It would have been a good gimmick.
Like, oh, my guy, Kenny Omega's tripped over a board.
What is going on here?
As of Monday morning,
SI had not yet received a response to the filing from AEW.
Dispensa claims he suffered severe neck and shoulder injuries
as a result of being shoved to the ground unexpectedly by Moxley
during a match with Kenny Omega.
Dispensa alleges in the lawsuit
that the incident resulted in him requiring cervical fusion surgery,
Jesus.
Shoulder surgery,
and treatment for other unspecified injuries.
That's the dick.
Let's go to...
Jesus Christ.
No, let's go to the next thing here.
Dispensa said the injuries occurred
on the May 10th, 2023 edition of AEW Dynamite in Detroit.
There, Moxley faced Omega in a cage match,
which ended up spilling to the outside.
Moxley went to grab a screwdriver to use on Omega,
and in doing so,
shoved Dispensa to the ground.
The lawsuit claims Mock's,
was supposed to only grab the screwdriver and dispenser took an unplanned fall as a result of being shoved.
His legal team alleges this is an example of civil assault and battery,
claiming that in allegedly deviating from the script,
Moxley either showed intent to harm dispenser or, quote,
at a minimum, a complete disregard for whether harm was a result.
disregard negligence indifference however you want to phrase it can we can we stop here for a second
because this is this is the whole goddamn deal they wanted to be cute and this was when they were
using the screwdriver remember when the screwdriver was all the rage before the golden scissors
and the goddamn you know then the in them a bag became a thing i don't know what's fuck but they
trying to be cute with how does Moxley suddenly produce a screwdriver?
Well, there's a crew guy at ringside and he's got it a screwdriver in his pocket.
And Moxley, you see on the clip, goes up and snatches the screwdriver out of his pocket or his
belt or whatever it was hanging off of.
You see that on the video.
But then you also see Moxley snatch this guy and bring him in a little bit and give him a
shove. Yes, Moxley is trying to again to portray this alleged badass image he's got and he's
dangerous and he's whatever. But what he did was he got carried away, went into business for
himself because apparently from what this suit alleges, and I can believe, and I'll tell you
why I can believe in a minute, the guy didn't know he's going to get fucking shoved or thrown or
pushed or whatever. And he's not a professional bump taker. And,
that's why I think if the guy had known, hey, Moxley's going to grab you and fling you,
unless they can find some documentation that he wrote down on paper, oh, I'm okay with taking
a bump and him throwing me, signed crew guy, then why would they do?
Why would they not get some indie fuck to be the cable puller or whatever so he could stand
there holding a screwdriver and take a bump?
it was Moxley going into business for himself and the guy didn't know it was coming now again
when you looked at the video it's not the most horrible bump anybody's ever taken and that's why
everybody was on Twitter that everybody that wanted to defend AEW was like this guy is trying to
soak a billionaire he ain't hurt that wouldn't hurt anybody and everybody likes or doesn't like
K-E-W is going, yeah, Cornet said this all along.
I said one of the fans was going to sue them for being stupid and getting hurt,
you know, and them hurting them.
I didn't say they were going to sue them for the crew being stupid with the crew,
but that's a whole new level of stupid.
But if the guy has been a cameraman, I don't know what he was, again,
he didn't have a TV camera in his hand,
but maybe they stuck him out there to have the screwdriver.
He couldn't have the camera.
He was pulling cable, whatever he's doing.
But a lot of camera people,
if they're sitting there with a fucking,
however many pound camera on their right shoulder holding it
for hours at a time,
they develop shoulder and neck issues.
And then if he guys get shoved down on that,
as we saw on raw with
Liv Morgan
we'll talk about
but
I mean people
splash their mattress in bed
harder than Liv Morgan
went down but she separated her shoulder
for a shoot
because it was just time
what if he separated his shoulder
because it was just time
he had a bad when he was going to go
he didn't know he's going to get shoved by some fucking goof
whatever the fuck
the point is
if Moxley went into business for himself by grabbing the crew guy and shoving him around
or even if Moxley said, hey, I'll grab it and I'll shove you away.
Okay, he was thinking he'll shove me, not I will fling you to the fucking floor.
Whatever.
It didn't need to be done.
And you can start reading because there's more to it because they strung the guy along
apparently for a while.
But, I mean, yet
there can be
ulterior motives to any lawsuit.
But they're also
leaving himself, if the guy is
trying to get money for nothing
and his chicks for free,
they left themselves open to it
by just doing stupid things. Go ahead.
Hey, listen, though, in the history of AEW,
who has done more things
that were self-centered, that didn't help the company
and got away with it more than John Moxley,
from cursing on the air
to obviously this.
To bleeding on people
or to just the unprofessionalism
of constantly sliced his head open on camera.
We talked about, you know,
you always brought up the fact that, you know,
Stephen Pinoo, you know,
some fan is going to get hit
and it's going to cause a problem.
We saw the thing with Sina.
Was it Sina?
No, Steve Austin at WrestleMania
when he drove into the barricade.
Yes.
And the woman took that fall.
But AEW, we've talked about it for a while
because you actually see feet go into the stands and hit fans or come close to me.
This is not that.
This is not an accidental thing that could cause a real lawsuit.
This is a direct, Moxley decided to do something.
This guy got hurt, according to him, he could sue.
We never thought of this angle of it.
We always thought it would be some fan who accidentally got hurt, not some production crew member.
Again, yeah, not beating up part of the fucking crew.
guys I have to get cervical fusion I'm really in a lot of pain all right we're going to make you a carpenter now go get your saw
no you know you know what there are people the guy that I ran over with my car when I was trying to kill Terry Landell 20 years ago in Knoxville
he actually had gotten elective surgery as what they were saying because he was a pill doctor shopper fellow thing
so people but that does seem for the average person and chances of
are against, you want to get cervical fusion surgery just to try to win a lawsuit.
Well, back to this, the lawsuit alleges that Moxley, here's a quote,
had a history of disciplinary issues before the incident involving other people
while under AEW's employee, agency, and or contractual relationship.
It also says that these past disciplinary offenses by Moxley included a documented history
of unpredictability.
That's why Johnny Rods was blackballed from the business.
That's right.
We can't have that unpredictabilityness.
As well as a lack of control by defendant AEW,
all of which were known or should have been known to defend an AEW
at the time of this assault.
And I mean, that could be, to be honest,
I don't think we've missed any goddamn felonious assaults on other people
in the locker room that may have been covered up,
but that can also be,
this guy continues to be reckless.
He flings furniture around.
When he's out in the crowd or he's coming through these entrances,
he just goes wherever the fuck and, you know, causes an issue.
It could be simple as, you know, these type of complaints,
it just goes to show he does whatever fuck he's going to do.
However, multiple high-level AEW sources
with knowledge of Moxley's working history with the company,
and not speaking in an official capacity on AEW's behalf,
told the take down on SI that they were unaware of any history of disciplinary issues with Moxley,
noting he is respected within the promotion by talent and management.
One referred to him as a locker room leader.
Oh, good Lord.
And disputed the characterization of Moxley given in the lawsuit.
So let's stop there again
Not an official AEW statement
But AEW sources
Which could be everything from...
What are they going to say? My God, he's like Manson
We've got to please help me send police
They're not going to say that they're being sued
And again
Whether the boys all like him or not
Doesn't necessarily mean that he's been easy to work with
For the production crew
With the aforementioned flinging things around
running over people, whatever the case,
we don't know what complaints have been lodged from that quarter.
And again, I don't hear anything that makes it out like he's randomly wandering around
goozling people around a neck.
You know, that does tend to get some attention in that company.
But I think they're just said he's got a tendency of going right whenever he's supposed to go
left and we don't know what the fuck he's going to do.
And then he grabs me and shoves me down and jams my shoulder.
and my neck hurts and here we go.
The filing also claims,
Moxley and AEW are responsible for exhibiting gross negligence,
suggesting, there's a quote,
by going off script and violently shoving plaintiff,
who was only a crew member to the ground,
Moxley demonstrated a substantial lack of concern
for whether a severe injury would result to a production crew member at the event.
It adds,
In taking no precautions
or preventative measures
to protect production staff
Defendant AEW's actions
Likewise show
a reckless disregard
for the safety
of production staff
which goes beyond simple
inadvertence
Yeah, I got a question for you
because I don't know the answer to this
So these companies, because you have experience with them
that this guy works for,
that are the production company for hire for an AEW
when they're not doing AEW dynamite
at AEW Coalition and AEW pay-per-views,
what are they doing?
Other TV shows or other shoots or a music video,
whatever requires the television crews,
they're comprised of people that have individual specialties,
whether it be working in audio or working in video
or working a position in a truck or rigging shit
or whatever the case, so they do that for other productions.
Sometimes it's shit that concerts and whatever.
There's a lot of crossover between crews that do live events like concerts
and or sports events and do wrestling or television work video, whatever.
So, you know, that's the thing is you can, these people don't know.
They know that it's a fucking big bunch of phony bullshit,
but that doesn't mean that you can fling them around, you know, as part of the thing.
It's not like in the territories.
Whoever was running the camera was probably a promoter's brother-in-law.
You knew you weren't going to get sued if you kicked him into nuts,
but now you can't do that.
Well, scrolling down a little bit,
the Spence's legal representation tells us that he claims AEW's upper management
was aware of the incident, but says he never discussed it with them.
He alleges to have met with Tony Kahn and AEW General Counsel Chris Peck
about potential full-time employment opportunities in the months after the incident,
but acknowledged there was never a prior conversation about the injuries he says he sustained.
Let's stop there for a moment.
Hold on here a second.
Did he also say later on that he was treated at some point by the A.W.
medical staff.
Well, it says here, his attorney also noted
Dispensa said he never filed
an official incident report that night
because he had another job on tour
that he had to get back to.
But he claimed he spoke with three individuals
that evening about getting hurt.
His legal team said dispenser relayed
his alleged injuries to ringside physician
Dr. Michael Samson,
Director of Performance Psychology,
Chris Manzion.
Performance psychology. You're interesting.
And a member of the FBI.
as opposed to Chuck Mangione, who feels so good.
And a member of the athletic training staff.
Dispenser claims Samson was upset over the situation,
saying that all stunts or interactions outside the ring must be approved by Samson beforehand.
Samson was near dispensal?
Was that during that, like, two-week period of time where Tony made that announcement,
then they just went back to fucking mayhem?
Samson was near dispenser when the incident occurred.
He said Samson asked him,
to go see the training staff.
He was eventually told
he would not be treated any longer
by AEW's athletic training staff
and that the incident
was never acknowledged again,
according to his attorneys, dispensa.
It also said dispensa and Moxley
never discussed the incident
beyond briefly after the segment.
He's looking to obtain compensation for injuries
suffered due to the actions of the wrestler
and the company he worked for,
and the filing says,
the amount in controversy exceeds $25,000.
He incurred damages, including but not limited to medical expenses,
disability, permanent and serious disfigurement,
wage loss and lost earnings capacity, pain and suffering,
and damages for mental and emotional anxiety,
humiliation, and or indignity,
diminution to business reputation.
Wait a minute, can we get money out of indignity these days?
Also, his business reputation and opportunities.
Other economic and non-economic damages, not yet known.
Jesus Christ.
And all other damages available under Michigan law, Michigan.
The sheik is lucky he's no longer around.
What about, you know, Roy Massey over in West Virginia sued Stan
because he could no longer enjoy the public cons not public consort but the the personal
consort of his his wife i never realized they were swinging i never realized it was a public
thing i can't no anyway i can't fuck her to diner anymore what's the people are not going to
nearly enjoy biscuit world as much now but where i was going with that let's pick up a couple
of things. First of all, in excess of $25,000, people have picked up on that like, well, Tony could just pay that with me. No, that's not what they're asking for. That's a legal amount, a bar you have to clear that this is in this type of suit because we're asking for at least this much. I think the locale, the amount may vary, whatever, but they could be awarded millions of dollars. And there's still that amount is in the initial filing.
uh secondly like he said he had a tour he had to get back to he was probably doing something
with some crew on on some type of concert tour or whatever the fuck and he didn't want to
goddamn give that up but of course he probably got sore later on but he told him he took a bump
and they saw him take the bump and then later on he said that he didn't talk to he didn't
file an official complaint, but if he hadn't filed any kind of complaint or there wasn't any
kind of issue, then why would Tony Kahn and what's the fellow's name is lawyer Pecker?
Why would Tony Kahn and his pecker?
No, Chris Peck.
Well, yeah, Tony Kahn and his peck.
Why would they've been talking to him about it and full-time employment?
Does that sound to you like?
every time that somebody has remotely has a problem
Tony Khan has run to them and offered them shit
or they're remember the legal team
what was it a Megan when she was on the legal team
Mega Parique well BJ Whitmer's ex
fiance or whatever she had run to her and offered this
that and the other thing they sometimes they overpromise
shit when they think that people are
actively mad at them oh we'll do this net my god you could you could move in with shad my dad i mean
anything and then but then when it's not immediate they just fucking slack off and forget about it
but then did they think this guy was malingering because he was wanting an adjustment every time
he showed up at tv it and how would this this directly have led like i said this could have been
the straw that broke the camels back to previous injury and damage or whatever,
but how were they not dealing with this in any more timely fashion
when it led to him having some type of cervical fusion?
There's still a lot of questions from both sides on this.
Well, one of the big questions for me, according to this,
and we're going based on his filing here,
if he was hurt in December and he didn't talk to AEW about it beyond Doc Sampson,
Like he wasn't, you know, and people who he talked to that night who he works with,
but he wasn't running like the HR or anything.
And then out of nowhere a few months later,
Tony Khan, the head of the company and the chief legal officers,
I think Megha may have been gone by that point just back to the Jaguars.
They sit down and talk to them about a potential full-time employment.
It's never brought up.
You know, we're just thinking out loud here.
He says it's never explicitly said, but why else?
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying is they tend to overpromise at the start.
when they say, oh, shit, somebody's mad at us or we got a problem.
Oh, we'll make them happy.
That's Vince McMahon.
That's what Vince used to do.
Yeah, but he would at least follow through on some shit.
Some shit.
Sometimes.
Some shit.
But they just, you know, again, how did it get this far that this guy's filed a public
lawsuit that they couldn't figure this out between Twix then and now?
Yeah, and again, not knowing how they're independent contractors on the production
side or treated or what agreements they have to sign, if anything, if this guy doesn't have
one of those AEW arbitration things, and he could actually go forward with this.
Oh, no, no, fuck no.
There would be no.
Yeah, they're in trouble.
There would be no reason in the world for a crew member to have any type of, honestly,
I don't know why they'd have a written agreement with AEW of any kind, much less arbitration
and anything.
crew members most of the time like that
and again there's always exceptions
I'm happy to be corrected
but the average crew member
would be an independent contractor
in the audio field
that has been being hired by
what was the name of the company
broadcast services
sounds like a fake company
well no I mean they
they got out of that phone booth
and into a fucking bodega
now for their office
but they would be an independent contractor being said show up a Tuesday at
fucking noon and fill out this form for us
with where you're you know what's your address or your social security number
we're going to pay you and they would probably
they'd probably be paid through the production group rather than AEW directly
but point being there's nothing
short of an actual wrestling contract that you could sign
that would indemnify AEW from one of the wrestlers
grabbing you and flinging you about.
So it doesn't matter what kind of paperwork
the crew member had.
It's not covered.
You can't do that.
It's like,
what are you thinking the fucking guy at Kroger, right?
The fucking manager of the bread aisle of Kroger
gets pissed off at the fucking cashier
just goes over and chucks her over the goddamn counter.
Well, can even the,
They both work for Kroger.
They're not having to go to arbitration about that.
Is this a whole other fucking ball of wax here?
Did you see ricochet's since deleted tweet?
Oh, yes.
He's always got to jump in with his dicklicker and fucking put it in where it ain't belong
and then delete it later.
What did he tweet that he had to delete the world is full of such pussies?
Oh, well, he retweeted the article and wrote,
We live in a world of pussies.
Yeah.
and well,
Pussies take their tweets down.
Is that a step up from saying
he's looking for attention?
His cervical fusion.
I don't know.
We'll see.
Now,
if this fucking,
if Chris Despensig comes down with skin cancer,
we're really going to have a problem here now.
Then he's really looking for attention.
Yeah,
I mean,
we'll see what happens here,
but,
you know,
obviously a lot of the listeners
want to hear what you have to say
because you've talked in the past
so much about potential lawsuits
again, with fans,
what does this say to you, if anything,
about the state of AEW?
Again, this happened a couple of years ago,
but they drew it out for a while,
for whatever reason,
but the state of AEW,
and specifically Moxley and Moxley
seemingly being able to get away
with anything he wants in that company.
Well, this was needless,
and, you know,
Moxley's probably going to say,
at least in private,
he's, well, the guy told me I could shove him,
or whatever.
But nevertheless,
just if you try to do shit
with people that don't know how to work
is going to look like shit anyway,
which this kind of did,
but it didn't add anything to the proceedings.
And it just causes,
you know, problems behind the scenes.
But to the point of the matter,
they've left themselves open for lawsuits.
This guy being there to work
instead of being there because he was a fan,
they've actually done shit
that should have got him sued more than this
that we've talked about.
But because the fans that were there
that may have been the ones to have the case,
the ones to be infringed on,
they wanted to be there.
They didn't want to sue the,
they like AEW,
or they like wrestling,
or they like the wrestler that landed on them,
or whatever.
So that's why you don't hear of anything like that,
but this guy was just being paid to be there to do a job,
and he don't give a shit.
And now,
if whatever's,
happened.
We need to hear more from the other side to find out what's the matter with this guy
that why this happened that long ago and there's these other conversations that have gone on
and how we went from a shove down to a cervical fusion.
But it's not like that he was predisposed in any way not to want to sue this billionaire
in his big company.
if they were indeed culpable for, responsible for something.
So that's, you know, in the old days,
the fans didn't give a shit if you knocked Junior's teeth out, right?
Somebody's going to pay for this, damn it.
It's not like, oh, but it was goddamn ricochet.
I love him.
But this guy don't give a shit.
He's not a fan.
So that may be why this is the,
the department that is sued first,
but they need to just be careful
what the fuck they're doing
and pay attention to their shit
and in Moxley's case
not believe his own
bullshit hype.
We live in a world of pussy
says the guy who like last I saw on social media
was arguing that he's better than
E.O. Sky.
Yeah, better high flyer than he could do
what Eoskeye does, I think was his argument.
Yeah, well.
And you know what? The more I see of it
and the more I think he'd
does a lot of things I bet E.O. Sky does.
We'll just leave it at that.
We will stay on top of the legal beatings.
By the way, did delete her? Pussies delete their tweets.
Eh?
All right, Jim, well, we will stay on top of this.
The legal department will find out more.
But, you know, perhaps Mr. Dispensa, after the fact,
or Moxley, at any point before or after,
could just use a good night.
night's sleep. Maybe that would have solved everything, caused less mishap, less problems, a good
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Jim
This is my show
We've talked about a lot of things
I don't want to do too much about this
But there are things we need to discuss
Recent WWE TV
I saw a bit of it
You apparently watched a whole lot of it again
You can't stop yourself
You seem to have a problem
Well
I wouldn't say a whole lot
I wouldn't describe it as a whole lot,
but we have to keep up on the major happenings.
And I have some notage here,
because one of them was right down the road from me.
Lexington, Kentucky,
was the home of Smackdown on June 13th.
Rupp Arena, 11,900 people, so half a house.
Yeah, it's not fair because it's Lexington.
Rup Arena is a ginormous facility
to have it a place the size of a house.
Lexington, but they had 12,000 people, but that's actually legitimately right at 50% of capacity.
When's the king of the ring going to be over with?
When do we get rid of that thing?
When is that?
What date does that happen?
WW is now embraced a lot of the things that I hate an AEW, nonstop tournaments,
nonstop multi-man matches, nonstop four-way matches.
Smackdown was four-way matches.
two men's matches, two women's matches,
with the winners then going to the semifinals
and whatever, the king of the ring.
But how original!
Christ, on a cracker, we know you have to fill programming time.
But Jesus, can you?
Just regular matches.
Just have four guys go fucking 10 minutes apiece
and two singles matches
instead of four guys in a four-way going a half an hour.
They give me some fucking variety, anything.
But it's every promotion.
We're going to lead to a tournament by having a multiple-man match
and then sometimes the tournament is full of multiple-person matches.
So we're going to hit the high points of what the stars did on Smackdown last week,
just to keep you up on it because it's already been a whole.
while and I don't care except they've got the thing going with Cody and Sina.
Cia came out.
They do the dueling chance again.
He's a great promo.
He has great delivery.
He knocks everybody.
He's very well spoken.
Everything takes for fucking ever.
And then Cody comes out and gets a big pop.
And then they stand there to look at each other for a while.
And people love it.
Yeah.
Oh, they're looking at each other.
Oh, my God.
He looked sideways at him.
Oh, my God, I'm coming.
And I wrote there all alone.
Why didn't Cody just beat him up?
Because here's the think about it.
Brian, when we used to watch wrestling,
when wrestling television,
regardless of what company was producing it,
when the announcer was interviewing the talent
and it was presented as a sports presentation
instead of theater in the round,
even though the announcer might be just a little guy
or an old guy or whatever,
the site of him
conducting the interview with the guys that were arguing
with each other
led you to believe there was still some element
of control and therefore that's why
my hero, the baby face,
doesn't just haul off and punch his prick in a face.
Subliminal, but it was there.
Do you feel me?
I mean, I think a problem,
woman wrestling for a while has been the baby face never does things to make I actually want to get
behind them, remember? I mean, again, it's not Sina and Cody, but Daniel Garcia coming to the
ring with a crowbar to confront FTR and then the first words out of his mother, they're like,
I wish I could do something to you guys. You have a crowbar, asshole, do something. Baby faces hit the
ring for people they should be, he should be livid at Sina. He should hate Sina. Instead, they just
want to give each other speeches. It doesn't make any sense. But again, the 20-minute speech,
are bad and then just the there's elements that they could have visually that made it seem
makes it seem more legitimate and like there's some control and that when things break loose
it's it's against the norm it's it's taboo it's shit that shouldn't be happening rather than just
anybody can come out anytime say and fight anything and we're only going to send people to
break it up if we feel like it and so they talked to each of
other. And then Orton's music played. And he told Seina off and said he doesn't care who he has to go through,
including Cody. And then L.A. Knight's music played. And he wants the title too, and he's going to win
the king of the ring. And then Sina got fed up with goddamn, you know, listening to everybody.
So he started walking out and Ron Killings jumped on him and security got on top of
of them and we were 25 minutes into the program for everybody telling each other off and then
killing's got 15 seconds of physicality.
I'm sick.
That's as long as an episode of Seinfeld.
Yeah, I'm sick of John Cena.
I hate to say it, but I'm completely sick of John Cena and whether, I'm not saying it's
all him, but I said it before that incident with the Rock, Sena's return, ever since that
period of time, for me at least, my sensibilities, everything's kind of off base and the shows
have become real slogs more than, more than any time since Vince.
And I'm not enjoying it at all.
That's the thing.
I'm not even as, I'm not as down on Sina as you are, but I'm just down on the, God
damn it takes literally 30 minutes for all these people to end up coming out, telling
each other off and somebody gets punched a face three times.
For a half of,
that's a, that's a full episode of a half hour situation comedy.
And these people ain't that fucking funny.
And then they had the first of the men's four ways with Carmelow against
Orton, against L.A. Knight against Malachi Black.
And another element that I don't like came up.
We can just talk about that.
watch the match, don't care.
But in the finish,
Bronson Reed comes out
and jerks L.A. Knight off the top rope.
And then Braun Breaker comes in
and Spears L.A. Knight in front of the referee.
And then Carmelo just in front of the referee,
just because it's no DQ.
And then outside of the referee can't do it,
think, but stand there and look like a fucking idiot.
And then Carmelo comes off the top, like he's going to dive on L.A.
night, but Orton catches him with the RKO and RKOes him on top of our L.A.
night.
And then Ben's L.A. Knight one, so everybody beat up L.A. night.
Nice way to give him an out, but the point is, again, if the heels
can just interfere in front of the referee
because every match that you
present on every fucking show
is no disqualification
then it just becomes a groaner
and a cheap way out and lazy
booking.
And
you could at least try to figure out
something else
than just doing that
right in front of the goddamn referee.
Teach your talent how to perform
complicated finishes
with Swiss watch timing.
A diversion here, a distraction there,
a shot over there, whatever the fuck.
Don't just have, you know,
everybody just come out and do whatever the fuck
they need to do because you can't figure out
any way around it.
That's my thought.
And then we were at 9 o'clock, Brian.
How'd you enjoy this thing?
I think I was already done by this point.
I'm really, they're training me.
I don't have to watch these shows.
I can just watch the pay-per-view.
They'll catch me up on everything that took four hours to do.
And whenever I watched these shows, I ended up getting mad.
I watched a bit of Raw, we'll talk about.
And then once I got to that point in the show, I'm like, there's no more for me.
I turned off, but Smackdown has been really bad.
Really? I mean, you know, another thing we probably don't talk enough about, if you think about it,
since the end of the bloodline.
How much of that show was eaten up by the bloodline arriving?
The bloodline having drama in the back in their locker room.
Heyman teasing something with someone.
The bloodline getting seafood.
And then the bloodline come out at the end of the show.
There's nothing to hold the show together right now.
It's just, hey, let's put a bunch of stuff out there.
Everyone has a four-way.
You get a four-way and you get a four-way.
It's not a good show.
And Sina, like I said, I like I like the way he screams and gets angry.
But then he goes for 10 minutes.
and nothing leaves you wanting more.
You feel like you've seen it all,
and then he comes down and does another promo.
It's like, yeah, this is kind of the same complaints he had last time.
Well, now he's coming back out here at a minute.
I know.
He can't stop.
They can't stop.
Because people weren't sick enough in the first segment.
Let's get more, Sina.
But, I mean, even the, that's the thing is we're going to see from this.
And again, it ain't going to take too long to see it.
And then Raw, it's promo.
and multiple person matches.
And that's what you got for a total of almost six hours
between the two days.
They were already to the nine o'clock hour.
Jacob Fatu, he's over.
He's a star.
The people love him.
He's amazing.
He comes out, he gets a few words to say,
just because we come from the same bloodline.
Doesn't mean you can snake me from behind
and take all my credit.
And then solo appears on a screen from their hideout.
and he said you were nothing until I brought you here and made you a star and next week I'm going to be ready to take you back but I need to hear I love you so low because otherwise I brought you in and I'll take you out and then Fatu just leaves and then we get a girls four way and now it's 930 and then we get a girl's promo and Naomi and Tiffie
in the fridge
and everybody
had a fake fight
and the Motor City
machine guns
against the Wyatt
shits
which went to
let me stop you
everything you've said
since I told you
I stopped watching the show
is there anything
you could justify
that would have been
worth my time
no that's what I'm telling you
the machine guns
against the Wyatt's
the machine guns
are fine
the whites are horrible
and they went
100 miles an hour
to complete
silence. And they were so bad. And I mean, not just the gimmick is bad, but they were botching
shit up these guys. They made the guns look bad. And then they fucked up the finish and
beat the guns. But I mean, it was God almighty. They were falling all over themselves. And then
we were at 10 o'clock. And again, that's two hours already. What the fuck?
fuck, that's a long time to go to get there with just that is what I'm trying to say.
So then we got to the last thing we need to talk about.
At 10 o'clock, Cina goes back to the ring and he's cussing.
He says truth has crossed the line.
He's disrespect to me too.
He's gone too far.
And the people are chanting, we want truth.
and Sina calls truth out there
and then
Akamosilini
the fans go crazy
sing in the songy
because it's a cult of
thank God they finally sent somebody out here
I might want to listen to
so there comes punk and Sina's dumbfounded
and this got the biggest reaction to the show
it must be where were they
but they were in Lexington, by God, is punk country.
And they did a good promo again that both these guys can talk.
And Sina took the chance to knock basketball and horse racing.
And then punk tells him off in a very verbose and creative way.
And he got to plug Terry Funk and Harley Race and Brett Hart and Eddie Guerrero.
but he said you can't see me i see through you and i always have and that's the truth
and then punk leaves and truth jumps seen again and puts the STF on him and punk says the
truth hurts and there's security pulling truth off of scene it but again we said it's just
20 minutes through the promo well done as it was and then boom 27
second's faction. And then we got a girls tag and another men's four way. And that was three
hours. So that's why we're not going into a lot of detail on Smackdown these days. Well,
that was Smackdown for the 13th. A wonderful build to this wonderful nightmare show in Saudi Arabia.
When is, so the king of the ring is going to be on the Saudi Arabia.
Super show or whatever, what?
Well, they have a kingdom. Hold on. Let me look up.
When is King of the Ring?
King. Are they going to have the Sheik of the Ring?
Put your camel to be.
King of the Ring? King of the Ring?
Where the fuck is the actual...
This is the history of King of the Ring, not this year's...
Here we go. King of the Ring will be in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia,
on May 25th.
Wait, what? No. That was last year.
Doesn't have this year as well.
What? What are you looking at?
Wikipedia. Hold on.
Well, look at www.com. Wouldn't they be telling us where they're goddamn...
Let's see. Night of Champions, this will be...
There's no date here either. Hold on.
I can no one have a date listed.
W.W.E.com does not have a date listed either. It just has the brackets.
And this tournament looks like shit. Hold on. One more place I'll check.
How about this?
When is
King of the Ring?
King of the Ring Saturday, June 28th.
Ha, in Saudi Arabia.
So, we got that to look forward to it.
It's going to suck. It's the Saudi Arabian show energy,
which is always weird to watch on a day.
It's a fucking tournament.
Tournaments are fucking done.
See, now you're so negative.
And it's the same people.
It's the same people that it always is.
It's Sammy.
You ought to be like me and try to
find the good and everything and trying to look at things on a positive side of thing.
Oh, look on the sunny side of life.
I'm working on the positive.
It's a Saturday afternoon.
Hopefully by the time it's over, the MEC game will start.
That's the positive side of things.
Maybe there's a 4 p.m. start on that day.
But that was Smackdown.
Of course, a few days after the torture of Smackdown every week is WWE Raw.
Jim, let's talk about what you watched on Raw, which aired last night as we are recording.
Well, I'll tell you what it was.
on here. I've got to find the proper page. They were in Green Bay, Wisconsin. And I think every time
they build an arena, it's next door to Lambeau Field, because when I was there 30 years ago,
we were doing TV at the old building next to Lambeau Field. And again, there's one, two newsmaking
things, one in a negative fashion, unfortunately from this, one and more positive. But otherwise,
I mean, I just, it's three hours.
We got the Dominic and Liv Morgan promo
and then E.O. Sky beat both of them up.
And then we got another girl's king of the ring four way.
And then we were 45 minutes into the show already.
But then here comes Gunther.
Gunther.
And he does a promo.
And they're booing him,
booing over him as he tries to speak.
like they were doing with Dom, but I think they,
I think they like booing Gunther a little bit more on his promos
rather than just working with, you know, Dom sometimes as they did
because he was so annoying.
But he promoted, you know, hey, Jay was better at WrestleMania,
but every other night I'm untouchable.
And I've heard rumors about what's next for me
and the fans started chanting Goldberg
because they couldn't even keep this secret.
one would thought they could have put some kind of lid on this just for a couple weeks,
but it's been out.
But he said, no, not that guy, Seth Rollins.
He's got the money at the bank contract.
And I've got what he wants.
And Seth said I was a target.
So I'm right here.
Seth Rollins, you want to fight.
Here we go.
And then they play Goldberg music.
And the people blew because they, even though they,
had heard the scoop.
They didn't know he was going to be right there, right then.
And it got a big pop.
And Brian, is it possible for a guy to look great from the waist up?
What are you saying?
Did you notice that?
No. What do you mean?
He looks great from the waist up, but he's walking crooked.
It, it, it, there's some way or another that he's walking, that you're walking,
that you can tell that it reveals that he's a older gentleman with a history of injuries.
I don't know what does that.
You want the time to roll back and upper body looked good and he's got the face,
but he was walking a little crooked.
I'm wondering how good a shape he's going to be in for this thing.
Well, again, an athlete, got into wrestling, he's had a lot of injuries.
I just thought he looked like he blew up.
coming to the ring?
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think he can throw the fucking martial arts blows and the kick and everything without,
I think he's,
I think he's feeling the effects of age.
But he's got oomph.
When he got in the ring and did the promo,
he's got some oomph to him.
And it was quick,
which it needs to be,
usually both in terms of matches and promos for Goldberg.
But a few months ago in Atlanta, you started something with me and my family,
and I'm going to finish it in Atlanta.
July 12th, that's Saturday night's main event, you're mine because you're next.
Yay!
Here's the thing.
I mean, as an inter-and-then Gunther just looked at him, you know, because what are you going to do?
This is probably better as a network television attraction than it would be a pay-per-view match
because do you think the pay-per-view audience,
which is the premium live event,
which is the most current, the most devoted,
I don't know they want to see this
because I think they probably like Gunther
may be better than Goldberg.
But on network television,
Gunther's, or not Gunther,
but Goldberg's, you know,
maybe got an older fan base.
I think that's a huge attraction
for NBC to be able to advertise that name.
I think so too.
I actually think it's perfect for that.
They got to hype it up.
You know, part of it's on them.
They got to get him on the Today Show
or they got to really hype up
that Goldberg's going to be doing this.
But he's a big name.
And I think because WWE won the war
and Goldberg pretty quickly went away
to come back every now and then,
people forget just how big a star he really was.
And, you know, WCW fucked that up
and some of the veterans behind the scenes really fucked that up.
And then WWF fucked it up the first time because of Vince.
But now Vince is gone so they can actually get something out of it.
Yeah, well, they got something out of him when he came back and he beat Brock.
That was actually one of my favorite short matches.
That was a surprise and the audience went crazy.
And, you know, I'm in the unique position where I like Brett Hart and I like Goldberg.
You know, I'm not influenced by either one of their problems with each other.
I like them both.
and I think if done right, it could be good.
Now, he's working with a very physical guy in Gunther.
That's another thing that's, you know, again,
I think they could pull it off because I think Gunther's smart,
but it seems to be a bit of a style clash.
Well, actually, I don't think there is really, bear me out for a second,
because remember we were hearing at one point
that they may have been before all of the Vince McMahon stuff,
blew up the news, whatever, they may have been looking to Gunther and Brock Lesnar.
And I wanted to see that so bad.
And I think based on what they've done since then, they probably would have put
Gunther over.
And that would have been a tremendous thing to get Gunther over as to beat Brock Lesner.
This is the same kind of thing.
Goldberg is not going to tell Gunther, don't chop me hard.
he's not going to fuck oh no don't hurt me
Gunther is brilliant he's a master at
laying out a match that's perfect for him but that also
takes into account his opponent and what they do or don't do
or whatever right I've said he's usually his matches make such
great sense it's going to be probably short
intense hard hitting that's what people
are going to expect. That's what both guys got over with. And I think that Gunther will be encouraged
by Goldberg to do his shit because Goldberg doesn't come off as a pussy because he can't go 30 minutes
at a high rate of speed at his age and whatever doesn't mean he's going to say don't, don't chop me
or don't slam me or whatever the fuck. So I think they can really, I'm looking forward to seeing it.
Goldberg wants to, this is his retirement match that he's talked about, apparently.
He wants his kids to see him.
He don't want to look like shit.
Gunther's the perfect guy to fucking have a match with Gunther.
They're not going to be doing fucking leapfrogs and goddamn moon salts.
So I like the idea of the match, and I think therein lies the only question I've got.
it shouldn't go long and it shouldn't be a back and forth technical wrestling
masterpiece and they need to hit each other hard for a short period of time
but what's the finish because Gunther's the champion and
there was comments put out and I think Uncle Dave was behind it originally I don't
know so that's why I don't take it as gospel that that's why they put the belt back on
Gunther because they wanted him to be the champion to face Goldberg.
That doesn't really make a lot of sense because I don't think they're going to make this
for the belt.
I don't know why they would.
But at the same time, one would almost think that the fans would be happier at seeing
Goldberg triumph in his hometown of Atlanta.
And therefore, it especially would not make sense for the title to be on the line.
because if the belt is on the line,
Gunther has to win.
If it's a non-title match,
I would think Goldberg would win,
but I would think that there would be some out for Gunther.
I'm rambling now.
Yeah, I mean, the other thing is we were told that his retirement match was coming.
Is this the match?
Because he was wearing a shirt that said,
like, last ride or whatever,
but they didn't say it,
and I haven't seen anything bill it as the retirement match
or final match.
well here's the thing they're already doing a
they're already doing a retirement tour
and I think we need to see Goldberg
one more time in some type of blaze of glory
I don't think it needs to be repeated viewing
this doesn't need to be a multi-part mini series
this should be the last time
maybe the last time oh I know
it's got to be you don't have a warm-up match
against goddamn one of the world champions before your retirement match?
Well, we'll see what happens.
I actually, I'm not expecting a five-star classic, but I do want to see that match.
A star from the past coming back to wrestle one of the biggest stars they have today.
I'm intrigued by it.
If Gunther can be Johnny Valentine and fucking Goldberg can be Wahoo for about seven or eight minutes...
Well, there's an important question.
You say seven or eight minutes.
Should it go that long?
Well, I mean, you don't want to, on either guy's part, you don't want to just fucking let people down that they didn't see hardly anything.
But I think that you can create chaos in under 10 minutes that still everybody would be able to keep up with on a cardiovascular basis.
We've received a few emails about it recently, so I'll just sum them up for a question for you about this because it kind of relates.
Do you think WWE is setting up Gunther for a baby face run?
I don't know necessarily that they're setting him up for a baby face run,
except that they're allowing him to fill a kind of a spot that isn't filled
and doesn't normally, there's not a lot of guys usually that are good at it,
in that he's the old kind of world champion where he's most of the time an obnoxious prick,
but he has some kind of honor to him that he won't go as far as some of the heels.
And it fits him.
It's his gimmick that he wants to physically intimidate and dominate and be better than people.
And sometimes he doesn't necessarily want to cheat to do that just because he wants to prove something to himself.
The people admire his talent because he is tough and boy, that chop lands and, you know, goddamn, he's in great matches.
So he's not going to ever work like a chicken shit heel.
he's not going to work like
Alex Lugar, the narcissist,
where he's the bodybuilder that, you know,
he's gorgeous,
he's,
he's a fucking foreign
German, Austrian prick,
but you can respect his talent.
And it's hard to find somebody that fits that spot.
Well, you really can't find somebody
put it in on purpose.
It just has to kind of evolve that way,
and they've recognized it.
and they're going with it.
So he could easily be the lesser of two evils against a really mealy-mouthed, obnoxious chicken shit heel like Dominic Mysterio.
Because at least, at least Gunther's a man, he's not like that fucking, you know, blah, blah, blah.
Or, you know, whatever, you can find heels that have worse characteristics.
He can be the baby face, but then he can try to goddamn disqual-deafes.
embowled Jay Uso in front of his children
and you're like, well that motherfucker
it's very special to find a guy like that.
So do you think he should be a baby face?
Not right now, but like within a year
should they make him a baby face?
I don't think they really
the people will make him a baby face
based on who they book him with.
I don't know that anybody ought to ever actually
just beat the fucking shit out of Gunther
and have him sell like Reggie Morton.
and make him a baby face.
I don't think that would be the way to go.
I think you just start booking Gunther.
The way he could help somebody that he has respect for,
that he's earned respect for,
save them from a horrible beating.
Or you could just start booking him with a hotter heel
that people dislike more and give the people the reason
to let him be the sympathetic figure.
but I don't think you need to get juice on him
and ruin his Austrian key to the city.
That kind of baby face.
All right, well, we will see what happens
with Gunther and Goldberg, but Jim,
there was at least one other thing of note on Raw.
I don't know what happened after a certain point
because I stopped watching, but there was an injury.
You've announced you stop watching.
I'll let to people know,
Bailey and Becky did about a 15-minute promo,
and there was another four-man male king of the ring match
where the heels came out and just took over the match
in full view of the referee where there was no disqualification
and 18 people came out and fought.
And again, I think that's the way you make people mad at the promotion
when it's just over and over.
No DQ, so that means the heel.
then why didn't the heels just come out 30 seconds into the show with a goddamn
bazooka if they can do it right in front of the referee anytime they want?
But as you mentioned, there was one other thing,
and this illustrates when we talked about the lawsuit against AEW
and the crew member that was thrown to the ground by John Moxley or shoved to the ground
and is suing because he had a serious injury
and people are looking at the video
and they're going, that looks like bullshit.
Just because these goofy-ass wrestlers
take all these insane bumps through furniture
every week on television,
doesn't mean you can't just get hurt,
just fucking up, right?
Remember, Rea Ripley separated her shoulder,
being run into the wall,
but actually running into the wall on her own
in a working way from
might have been Becky Langell,
while back. I can't remember who it was.
Well, in this case, this
was the, and this
is the point where people were asking if this
was a work. Like, oh,
did they just write her out because she's going to
know this would.
This would have been the most
horrible work in a history of works
and nobody would have cleared this idea
to get out of the goddamn finish room
to do it this way.
Liv Morgan
has a match with Carrie Sain.
and they ring the bell and literally, literally in the proper usage of that term,
which everybody uses that word,
but literally,
this is literally the way the word should be used.
Literally the first movement of the match.
Liv goes for a thing and Carrie Sane ducks under it and as Liv turns around,
she goes for kind of a drop toe hold on Liv Morgan where Liv will go face first,
chest first, belly first, whatever, face down to the mat.
And Carrie Sane was going to have the legs.
And as soon as Liv went down and caught herself on the belly flop,
she grabbed her arm and she winced in pain and she rolled out of the leg lock and
rolled to the floor.
And you saw her go down and be, you know, leaned up against the barricade and holding her arm
and then they go back to shooting the ring.
And then I think you might have seen one more quick shot of her,
but then they go back to the ring and Carrie Sane now is like,
what do I do?
She's running, hitting the ropes and firing the people up or whatever.
Doc, well, not Doc Sampson.
He bailed out.
He left the ship and went to the other company,
but whoever their doctor is.
The liar cut his hair.
Yeah, there you go.
And he never has been the same Samson.
since he cut his hair.
But anyway, whoever the doctor is,
they went over to check on her off camera.
They wouldn't shoot it.
And then they just went to a break out of,
the announcer is saying,
oh, Liv is being checked by the doctor,
and then they just went to break.
And when they came back,
the match was already over.
They announced that she had been taken out.
They showed a replay of them helping her out
with her holding her arm.
And then the announcers had to kill time for a,
while because the only match left was their main event four way and they weren't supposed to go this early.
And then they got the word that it sounded like she had had a separated shoulder.
And it's believable because you never know it can be a freak thing.
And that's why we've always said so often,
why are these guys taking all these ridiculous risks when it's already a risk,
profession.
And now having said, again, this didn't look like anything to write home about that.
You would take a bump like this in any normal match, but it's just the right way that
it happens.
You know, especially on something that you're not, if you're not thinking that you need
to brace for something or something is so simple, or I've done this so often, or this is not
the part where I'm going to hurt myself, that that's a thing.
sometimes when it happens.
And the guy who had Adam Cole jumped off that ramp
to just jump down to the floor that he'd probably done
a hundred times and broke his ankle or whatever the fuck.
Yeah, punk jumping into the crowd, hit his foot on the guardrail, remember?
Yes.
I mean, you know, it's the shit that sometimes you're not prepared for,
but things happen.
But so if that's her shoulder, which they say it is,
then that's going to be several months, I would think.
just because it takes a while to get the mobility and the strength and everything back.
But, you know, again, it can happen at any point.
So we're going back to the crew guy, he got shoved down on the floor.
He wouldn't even take it a bump in a ring that he was prepared for.
You know, sometimes innocuous things, oh, that's what killed him.
You never know.
But this was neither person's fault.
This was just something that happened.
because I don't see how you could have
guarded against this.
It was, I've never seen it happen that way before.
Yeah, we talk so much about stupid shit
and stupid injuries that happened because of stupid shit.
This is legitimately like one of those injuries that happens
because you're a professional wrestler, period.
No one did anything wrong.
She landed on the mat.
The commentators are right away trying to say her elbow,
but it was clear to me that it was her shoulder.
And then she immediately rolled out and held it.
They went to break.
Well, I think when they were talking about the elbow, it could have been a hyper extension.
It wasn't like she hit the elbow, but see, when you go to with your hand, what probably popped her shoulder out was when she hit the mat just at the angle she was going and put her hands down and braced.
Remember when Randy Orton, who had a history of shoulder issues and separations, he was doing his pound the mat thing.
and he used to do it with his fists down rather than his forearms.
Oh, that's right, yeah.
And there was a mat.
He's doing that, getting ready to jump up and do his thing,
and he pounded his fist on the mat and fucking dislocated his own shoulder.
And so the thing is, you can do the same thing athletically 100 times,
and on 101, your ankle, knee, shoulder, elbow, wrist, joint, something may give out.
and in this case it was probably the angle that instead of hyper extending the elbow,
it jarred the shoulder out of socket at the joint up there.
But that, again, you know, yes, I just talked about Randy Orden being able to do it,
but this girl is 125 pounds.
So let's say you run into an oak tree with a Volkswagen.
Volkswagen. Volkswagen's probably going to come out the worst of it. But if you run into a fucking eight-foot Christmas tree with a Volkswagen, it's going to run over it. That's why I talk about the girls with the furniture and off the balcony and everything, you still have less muscle mass to protect you. Less body weight, less thickness. And, you know, so what did they say about Bruno Samertino?
when Hanson lost him on a slam.
If he hadn't had a neck that thick, it might have paralyzed it.
So anyway, we wish Liv Morgan the best.
And then he trimmed down after that, actually, if you look at him, you know, after that point.
But yeah, I guess that's the sad thing.
Yeah, well, and a lot of times after injuries, in some cases you have to trim down it,
or as you age athletes, they have to get lighter to carry less weight to put less stress on the joints.
but in some cases it's a help and some it's a hindrance.
But like you said, get well soon, Lib Morgan,
she's been one of the highlights of this show,
whether she's in a match or whether she's just causing chaos at ringside.
She has been, in many cases, single-handedly,
the reason these judgment day segments work in the back,
I guess she'll still be involved in the show.
She just won't be wrestling,
but she's been one of the very best on this show,
so you hate to see this.
But that's, again, you know, it can happen anytime.
do not ask for whom the bump tolls it tolls for thee.
Yeah, I know you didn't watch it, the four-way women's match to return of Oscar.
Stephanie Vakere is really fucking good.
And again, I don't blame you.
I can't watch these four-way matches either, for the most part.
I've told you I've enjoyed the women in WWE a lot more than the men recently.
Taylor, the next time Stephanie's in a single match and it doesn't go a half an hour,
I'll watch it just for you.
I don't know if there'll be a case of that because every match is...
Every match is a four-way or a three-way match.
When was the last time any of these people had one-on-one matches?
I don't know.
But we'll stay on top of that.
Any other raw thoughts?
Well, only that.
Again, the main event is just,
it's going to be Jay and Cody in the semifinals,
the king of ranks.
That'll be somewhat interesting just to see what they do.
But it's just,
Heyman's guys come out,
and in full view of the referee,
fuck shit up,
and then other people come out and interfere in the match,
full view the referee and then Jay ended up winning it after a couple of splashes, but
so it's not even a heel fuck, but it just makes the referee look incredibly ignorant when
in 80% of the matches, he just has to stand there and watch people do whatever the fuck.
And they wonder why they can't get heat on the heels anymore.
What do you think of the growing criticism of Paul Vex booking?
I don't know that it's rotten.
I think it's very slow.
I mean, again, all of the personalities are over,
and most everybody is being used to the best of their abilities.
I would love to see Gable a little more serious
without the mask and blah, blah, blah.
But the talent seems to be in the right place,
and their stars and the people like them, they're over.
It's just very little is happening these days.
And for the long shows, I'm talking about, I don't mind having an interview with the top stars.
Why is it at, does it have to be as long as the average episode of I Love Lucy?
Et cetera.
You know, Vince may have hated tag teams, but Paul Aveck hasn't figured I had a book an exciting tag team division because you've got some talent.
I'm not going to say the Motor City machine guns aren't talented.
But by and large, the tag team matches, more than that.
the women's matches, they've changed roles.
The tag team matches are the quietest matches of the night.
The fans just sit there.
They're not invested in any of the teams.
They're not invested in anyone needing the belts.
You know, again, he doesn't hate it, like Vince hated tag team wrestling,
but he doesn't know how to book a tag team division either.
Well, you can't have a tag team division that means anything unless some of the main
event stars are in some of the tag teams.
So that's the problem there.
you know, guns are a great team.
But they've been presented as the same as all these other dipshits.
In the middle, in four ways and three ways and what,
and everybody's sniping amongst each other.
And they're in their own little, you know, a quarantined world
where they don't interact with CM Punk or Drew McIntyre or whatever the fuck, right?
So that's why people don't care.
Well, Jim, that was raw.
and that's what's going on with WWE, and we'll stay on top of all this,
but of course someone who watched Raw and expected action,
expected main eventers and main event matches,
expected anything to happen over three hours besides unexpected injuries,
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Oh, Jim, you know what that tone means?
It means it's time.
Nobody else does either.
Oh, come on.
You know what that means?
It means it's time to move on here with the program.
It sounded like the carousel ran out of fucking battery
is what it sounded like.
It may not have been what I expected, but it was still a tone.
Well, speaking of not what you expected,
Did I have an update on something we were talking about earlier?
Prince Mongo, I didn't realize Prince Mungo is still around, Brian.
This was 50 years ago I was hearing about Prince Mungo in Memphis.
Apparently, not only is he still around, I've got an article online here from 2022
that not only is Prince Mungo still around, he has been on American Pickers.
He's been one of the characters on American Pickers, apparently.
and he is still, it says, and this is from 2022,
he's been a fixture in many of the cities and Shelby County's mayoral campaigns
for a good four decades.
His real name is Robert Hodges, but as I mentioned earlier, he was a local.
He does not look the way I expected.
Yeah, you've, you've Googled him now.
He was a local character who.
claimed he was from the planet Zambodia,
and he ran for Mayor of Memphis in 1978.
Apparently, at that election, he got 20,000 votes,
a little under 10% of the entire hall,
which may have turned the tide of the election
in favor of the winner, Bill Morris.
And in 1991, his candidacy may have helped Willie Harrington
become the new mayor of Memphis in similar fashion.
and Harrington is one of the ones that Lawler was running against in a different year, I believe.
But let's see, just real quick, he once promised to give everyone an Uzi if he won the election.
He's been known to call for things like public hangings.
Jesus.
He has been known to claim that he is a 300, he is a 33-year-old alien from the planet Zambi.
Bodia and has insisted on this in both political campaigns and hearings with the Memphis
Alcohol Commission.
He's been telling this story for quite a while.
It can get elaborate.
He says, I'm here on a mission to save earthlings and I will in due time, he said in 2000.
The earth is self-destructing.
And when the time comes, I'll save a few people and take them with me.
People don't realize how much I've already saved them from.
I saved them from the earthquake, tornadoes, hurricanes.
I've used my energies to divert those things.
But apparently he used to run controversial nightclubs.
In 1984, Prince Mungo's planet attracted young revelers and constant complaints from nearby residents.
Its lawsuit-riddled existence received a damning blow in 1992 when tragedy struck
and two inebriated teens had a fatal motorcycle crash.
After this in the ensuing multimillion dollar lawsuit,
the authorities paid close attention to the club,
which folded in 1995,
but he acquired a castle-like structure named Ashler Hall
and turned it into a club known as the castle,
but he was in seriously hot water
with the authorities and neighbors for underage drinking
and various public disruptions,
often of the nude variety.
And his neighbors apparently are upset at him.
Of course.
Because he has signature debris in his front yard,
including a bunch of clotheslines
with a permanent underwear installation,
and traffic cones.
Well, again, without knowing too much about him,
he lived in a castle,
because there's a picture here of his castle from Action 5 News, Prince Mungo's castle.
Yes.
Not his to give away.
Well, that was Ashler Hall.
That's the nightclub that the second one that he closed down.
But he had to turn it over to a businessman because it was in dire state and he didn't really own it.
But yeah, the neighbors also, he said, he was not upset that the neighbors were disturbed.
I don't care how they're disturbed.
I'm disturbed that they've ganged up against me.
and the neighbors say they are afraid to come out of their homes.
I have a, depending on what you want, I have some audio potentially.
Well, I, because I've never heard him speak.
So, I have two things here.
One of them appears to be some kind of television special.
The name of the video is a visit with Prince Mongo,
Mongo interviewed in the early 1980s.
And then there's another one on Instagram here.
I have it.
That's a video.
The legend of Prince Mongo.
Memphis's most mysterious icon, and it appears to be on some public access sketch comedy show,
where everyone's in an outfit, including him, but I'm guessing with him it's not like an outfit for
the day, it's just his Mongo outfit.
What do you want to hear?
Well, either one, because I'm just looking at another description from the Daily Memphian
that is, this is from April, this year, he's 78 years old now, he's sometimes been
to appear in court wearing green body paint,
wearing goggles and a silver wig,
sometimes with a bone or a rubber chicken around his neck.
Oh, they got to bring him in as the father of Mr.
Aguana.
No one alive today has ever seen him wearing shoes.
And so, yeah, that's what it says.
That's what it says.
No one alive today has ever seen him wearing shoes.
There isn't a man alive who has seen me.
Oh, and posters.
If posters advertising is mayoral races
have become collector's items in homes and pubs.
Oh, let's play some audio.
This is the early 80s television thing.
Let's see what this is.
Memphis, we weren't just told by him.
When Prince Mongo announced Skylab was going to fall in the city,
the police believed him and cordoned off some of the streets.
When he ran for mayor, he came in forth in a field of six.
Many of his fans and followers believe when he visits hospitals,
he can heal the sick.
Now, some people think Mongo
is just a little bit spacey,
and he agrees.
He claims that he's from outer space
from a planet called Zambodia,
which he still calls home.
And I just got back from the planet.
I was gone for about six weeks.
We live next door to Prince Mongo
and have for the last three months.
Just always, very nice.
He's always a gentleman to us.
We'd like to use his pool,
but we're afraid of something from outer space,
Prince Mungo's earthly home is located in a really nice section of Memphis.
While some of the neighbors have nice statues to help enhance their lawns and landscaping,
the prince's front yard looks like a permanent garage sale.
It has always piled up with a half a dozen or so old automobiles, one or two of which work.
Well, I think he's the biggest mess I ever was.
But the mess I saw on the outside was nothing compared to some of what I was going to see on the inside.
At the door, I was greeted by one of Prince Mongo's earthling followers who ushered me in to meet the prince.
Prince Mongo, hi, Spirit.
How are you?
My name's John Barber.
Very pleased to meet you.
My pleasure.
After greeting me, the prince introduced me to some of the Zambodian in-laws.
This is von Rove you, one of our hands.
He's pointing to literally like skeletons wearing wigs.
He's his in-laws.
Contestors from the planet.
The piano is Princess Bianca.
And over here is Geneva.
She likes ducks.
That's Spirit Nello.
Where's the rest of Nello?
Well, that's the only thing she wanted to be here right now.
Breastover is another place.
She just wanted to come here as her head.
That's all.
All right, I want to hear more mongo, so let me try this other thing real quick and see what this...
Well, and I'm just getting an update on the castle.
Castle apparently was built in the 1800s as a legitimate real mansion.
In Memphis?
In Memphis, really?
Yes.
But then apparently he somehow came by it and ended up having to quit claim it to someone
else who's trying to figure out what to do to save the land and property.
But a contractor they hired pulled apart the roof, stole a significant amount of copper
and much of the restaurant equipment from the building and skipped town.
So apparently the fire marshal had problems with him over the years.
The neighbors did, et cetera.
Also, the place was going into disrepair.
But even Mungo wasn't able to save it by one of his traditional blessings,
which apparently one of the traditional blessings that he gives is that if you come in contact with him,
he will toss white flour on you.
You hope it's flour.
Let's go to this.
I'm not going to speak on this thing.
First, I want to recognize the fact that the greatest hit of all times took place with the thriller.
And if you listen to it closely, you'll hear me in the background.
Success is all that I know.
The DJ, or the oldest, this jockey, or whatever he may be at the end of the table.
He may be the oldest, but he is by far the worst.
Let me stop it here for a moment.
He's from Memphis, so you never know.
He may have watched a lot of Sputnik Monroe in 1959.
But if he didn't, is it impressive to you when people in the real world come up with their own gimmicks
and they're not wrestling fans?
Well, and he sounds a little like Dr. John, the night tripper, doesn't he?
Like a little New Orleans vibe going on there.
He's got a whole gimmick.
And Zambodia, by the way, is nine light years from Earth, just if anybody's planning a trip.
He did not look the way, or he does not look the way I expected now or then.
In the 80s, he appeared to, he just appeared like a drunk frat boy or something wearing like a costume.
Now he looks like a white George Clinton.
Yeah, he's got a weird thing.
going on in the neighborhood he lived in in this video.
It was like Lawler's old neighborhood.
It was a nice neighborhood.
And then all of a sudden, and I know because they showed the house on videos for
anyone wondering how I would know that.
But then they would go to his house and it's just a junkie.
All right.
Well, this has been the Prince Mungo section.
We'll see what more we can find out about a sudden fascination here on the show.
But Jim, let's get some questions before we get out of here and get some songs.
Yes.
Let me find some questions.
Here are questions.
Questions.
These were sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from a variety of folks.
Let's go to this.
This question was sent.
I guess it's a tragic one.
But I committed to it.
This was sent.
Oh, for Jesus Christ.
Now, what is this, a dead dog dedication from Casey Kasem?
This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Mike and Richmond, Virginia.
you have, see, I didn't think
I was going to go
the direction it did, I saw the first thing,
I said, oh, let's see what this is.
You have frequently commented
how Eric Bischoff
had a striking resemblance
to a television personality
John Davidson.
Yes.
During the Monday Night Wars.
A tragic incident occurred
at the Beverly Hills Supper Club
in Southgate, Kentucky.
Jesus Christ, the Beverly Hills Supper Club
fire, how does that tie into it?
My God.
A tragic incident occurred at the Beverly Hills Supper Club in Southgate, Kentucky, May 28, 1977.
No shit.
There was a catastrophic fire that evening that killed 165 people, injured over 200.
What is interesting, the lead act that evening, was indeed the aforementioned John Davidson.
But my question for Jim, who is a proud candidate.
Kentucky, what are your memories of the Beverly Hills Supper Club fire?
Thank you for taking my question.
No, that as soon as you said the Beverly Hills Supper Club, I'm like, wait, what?
The Beverly Hills Supper Club was this fancy, you know, like dinner.
Remember when it was all the rage, and they still have one here in Louisville in the area, Clarksville, Indiana, derby dinner playhouse.
But like you see dinner and a play, and it's a, you know,
Bob Crane was doing that kind of thing
when he was murdered.
He was doing a different thing on camera when he was murdered.
Well, when he was murdered, yeah,
but he was appearing in those type of things.
Dinner theater and the Beverly Hill Supper Club
and it was a fancy swank place
and people dressed up and it was expensive.
And it sat on the side of it.
They just said, what was the suburb of Cincinnati?
What town did they say?
Southgate, Kentucky.
Southgate, which is northern Kentucky is right across the river from Cincinnati.
And I've talked about Aunt Lola.
When I was a kid and my mom would take me up to visit Aunt Lola and Uncle Tommy,
they liked to go fishing.
My mom liked fishing.
We would go fishing at a lake near there and we would drive past the Beverly Hills
Supper Club.
I can see the sign in my mind today.
And as I said, you know, what you heard by the report, there were hundreds of people in this thing.
And it caught fire and burned and was horrible and led to a reformation of the fire laws and the public fire marshal statutes and just lawsuits out the ying yang.
And I remember driving past the goddamn place after it burned, whatever, just burned as fuck.
and I had no idea that John Davidson was there that night.
I don't, are we blaming him for, you know,
was he in some way culpable in this?
That was somehow how this, uh,
listener pulled the whole story.
I thought it was a Bischoff question.
And then,
well,
yeah,
but yeah,
I actually saw the place before and after,
before it burned and after it burned.
And it was huge news and a big deal.
And if you look it up today again,
it was,
I don't know how long it,
how many years it took them to resolve all the shit that went on and the lawsuits and everything.
All right, well, that was a...
Well, there was that, but at least Bischoff was nowhere around.
He wasn't even that.
Yeah, it has nothing to do with Eric Bischoff at all.
All right, well, that was the John Davidson question.
Jim, let's get another one here.
This one was sent to Coorney Drive-Thru at gmail.com
from...
No-name attached.
WWF took over in the 1980s arguably reusing their same program that they had for decades
of the babyface champion and the revolving door of heels.
Hogan had the very best heels in the business to work with,
and that had no small part in his success from Piper to Orndorf to Bossman to DiBiase to Savage.
However, the more I watch the older territories, the more I conclude that Jerry Lawler was arguably a better heel than any of them, which leads to my question.
How successful do you think it would have been if Jerry Lawler, and it says N. Jimmy, I'm assuming he means Jimmy Hart, and Jimmy Hart showed up together as a new evil duo to destroy Hulkomania in the WWW.
in the 1980s.
Oh, good Lord.
Would Jerry have gotten over
as a genuine top heel?
Would he be more successful
than either Piper or Savage in that role?
Do you think he would have failed?
Thank you for answering my questions.
I'm 25 and still learning
the more extended history of the business.
The answer is
the answer is there's a lot of things
going on with that question.
Right off the bat,
Yes, Lawler was a better heel than a lot of those guys in terms of being a ring general,
calling a match.
Nick Bockwinkle said Jerry Lawler was the best ring general he'd ever worked with.
He was better as a promo, getting you interested, making you believe,
getting heat as a heel verbally, whatever.
But no, it wouldn't have worked because the style.
of the territory and the Hogan push, the heels had to be bigger, for one thing, than Lawler.
DiBiase was an exception.
His work was tremendous, but also he had, you know, Virgil and et cetera, and a lot of
thing in the gimmick that Vince came up with personally.
But without Lawler's genesis having come, the people in Memphis saw him.
graduate from tag team heel to single heel,
to defeating Fargo and becoming the guy,
to drawing big houses for several years
and facing NWA world champions.
You couldn't have just brought Lawler in 1984
into the WWF,
especially the way Vince did things,
and just push him for two or three weeks
and people would have bought him against Hogan,
or even two or three months.
It was a completely different style in the ring.
It was a completely different presentation.
That's what Hogan always wanted, and Vince always wanted for him, the Bundys and the boss
mans and the giants and the, you know, Savage, again, wasn't the biggest guy in the world,
but look at that body, and he was intense.
So it was just two completely different things.
By the same token that, to be honest, Hogan wouldn't have worked in Memphis, even 1884.
for Hulk Hogan on a steady basis because it was too,
it was too one-dimensional.
He didn't get the juice and do the wild angles and do the things you need to do
to keep people coming back every fucking week in the same building.
It was seeing the superhero cartoon character in your big building once a month,
if that.
Just because of a variety of things, the presentations, the styles,
and the, and Lawler got over better in the WWF in 1993, 94,
working with Brett Hart.
Because then they were in the same size.
And with Lawler having had time to get over and get some heat as an announcer,
people were more familiar with him.
But he was just still, at that point in time,
Lawler was, what, 45, so he was still able to do physically in the ring
a lot of what he had done in his younger days,
but he could still, you know, he could work with a guy like Brett
because they were similar build and size and et cetera.
Does that make enough sense, Brian,
have I explained that in any way halfway near coherent fashion?
It's two different things in two different times,
two different places, two different eras with different presentations.
Well, you know, that's the interesting thing
When Lawler came in
92, 93
My 93 is when he became a real performer
Other than hosting prime time
The heel he was with Brett Hart
Was different than the heel he was
For anything else he did in the company
Because he got really kind of goofy and embraced it
You know, all the stuff with doink and whatever else
Yeah
Kiss my foot match, all that shit
But the Brett feud was really good
But that was still a more silly
cartoon version of the King Jerry Lawler.
Like the King Jerry Lawler in Memphis, there was a real guy Jerry Lawler.
Yeah.
And he's the King Jerry Lawler.
Here it was just the character.
Vince liked his one-liners on Brett and on Stu and Helen.
But if we're talking about just using Jimmy Hart, because his name was thrown in there,
when Jimmy Hart came in right before WrestleMania, so we're talking the spring or the end of winter, 1985.
Jerry Lawler at that point
what would he have been there
and again it's a different kind of promo
it's not a live studio setting
not that Lawler couldn't do it I'm just saying
in terms of getting yourself over as a newcomer
it's a different thing talking to Mean Gene
or Ken Resnick or
eventually just standing there by yourself
in front of an image of your logo
it was so weird watching Terry Taylor
like
cockadoodle do while standing in front of a giant thing
and says the Red Rooster
no one's holding a mic there it's just like
all right I got something to say
but anyway
Lawler then in 85
and that's that's the thing also
is that at that time
period
if you had Lawler come in
and try to start cutting the promos
that he was capable of it
it couldn't be really just that canned
stuff that you mentioned
but also
he would have had to have
by the very nature
of Lawler as a heel
he's got to have the baby face off balance.
He's got to get a heat on the fucking guy.
Hogan wasn't selling that big for anybody,
except every grade once in a while at Bundy splashed him.
If it had been Memphis and Lawler was the heel and Hogan was the baby face,
Lawler would have been fucking on him every goddamn week.
Because you build the heat, you build the personal issue,
and finally you make the people pay to see the baby face triumph.
Vince's whole from his father,
His whole philosophy was the complete opposite of that.
You establish your baby face superhero,
and you rotate the heels through,
and nobody really ever gets one over on the baby face.
They get a little peck here and there,
but he almost always wins until he really wins.
Whereas in Tennessee, the baby face didn't win until he goddamn really won.
And so I don't see Lawler out there doing angles where he's pile driving
Hogan every fucking week.
It just, you know, no, it was completely different presentations.
And like you said, the Lawler with Brett Hart was a little bit more like the Memphis
Lawler, but by that point he's in his mid-40s, he knows Vince likes the one-liners and
everything.
He's going to do that.
He's not going to be, being the 1979, 89, 80, 81 Lawler that's taking these ginormous
bumps and bleeding and getting everybody fucking over.
All right, well, that answers that question.
Let's get another one here, Jim.
This one was sent to Courtney Drive-Thru at gmail.com from Jack.
Big fan of the show.
With that being said, Jim, if you had to pick a favorite match or event from your time
and ring of honor, what would it be?
Oh, well, I mean, I would think a while for favorite event that may have been
you know of my time in ring of honor may have been something that we did in new york while we
were visiting i don't know but um i would have to say my favorite ring of honor i had two
favorite ring of honor matches and it both happened the same night we did that show in
toronto and the same night that davy richards had a ring of honor world title match with
Tyler Black.
The tag team title match
underneath was the Briscoes versus
Chris Hero and Claudio,
the Kings of Wrestling,
in a street fight rules match.
And
Davy and
the future Seth Franklin
Rollins had what I thought
was the state of the art
modern indie
wrestling style match where they just beat
the piss out of each other but in an
athletic way.
and the briskos and the kings had a heck of a tag team street fight even with a fire extinguisher spot
and tying one of the baby faces by his neck to the ring post and all that other shit that I actually walked through with him before the show and they did wonderfully.
And that was my favorite two matches, I think.
There was another one with the briscoes and Red Titus and that lion's sack of shit Kenny King
where it was one of the brisca in Atlanta at center stage.
One of the briskos and Rhett Titus were both bleeding and had a fucking hell of a one-two exchange.
And the people were going crazy.
That one was a good match despite Kenny King being in it.
And several of the New York title matches I thought were very good also, but those are off the top of my head, some of my favorites.
Jim, our next question, sent the corny drive-thru at gmail.com from J.C. in San Francisco.
gimmick infringement.
Just listen to the last drive-through segment
where you mention you'd be a journalist
of wrestling hadn't panned out.
Knowing your interest in photography,
did you know longtime courier journal photographer Bill Luster?
He recently passed away.
Got the chance to meet him at a workshop in the early 2000s.
He was a very nice man,
and a legend in the photojournalism world.
Also, speaking as a full-time,
journalist for the past 25 years,
you made the right choice
finding employment elsewhere.
I guess the second question here, but
do you know who Bill Luster is?
Well, actually, no, I hate to hear
that he died. I didn't even know he was sick.
But no,
honestly, because
the thing is,
think about our various ages. I assume
I am a little bit older than the
writer here.
And
I don't know who anybody is.
worked for the Courier Journal over the last several decades are.
But when I was a kid, I used to know all the columnists by their names and knew some of them
actually from meeting them when I was a child or whatever.
But I'm trying to remember they had an aerial photographer for the Courier Journal in the
1950s, and it was not that gentleman.
But I have a picture of Castle Cornette here, right as construction was almost finished from
about 1956 that my dad had taken from the...
photographer, the aerial photographer in the helicopter
and blown up and we've had it on the wall, but I can't remember the
damn guy's name. God dang it. And he did a lot of famous photography in the
50s for the courier, but can't remember his name.
Another question here from JC and San Francisco. As for my
wrestling question, what happened to the warlord's push in
1986 Crockett? I remember he got Baby Dollars'
as manager and was getting pushed.
in squash matches, the last I saw of him was a match versus the Midnight Express, where he kind of
manhandled both Dennis and Bobby before Bubba knocked him out with a roll of quarters.
Yes.
That was the last time I remember seeing him.
Did Dusty just lose interest in having yet another road warrior look alike?
Thanks as always.
No, it was actually, it was the other way around.
He wanted to help him.
See, when Warlord came in in 1987.
he was like six foot three and three hundred twenty five pounds solid granted i mean you could not
you could lay your hands on him like if you were in a match or whatever and you couldn't
feel any fat whatsoever anywhere and so he was just he was a beast but he was only 21 years old
and there was another guy from minnesota that they you know they had if i remember al blay
Vladimir Pietrov and Tijo Khan came,
all the bodybuilders from Minnesota.
But the thing was, he was so green.
And it wasn't his fault, he had just started.
And I had the thing going with Baby Doll.
I had Bubba when Warlord came in with her.
We had a deal one night in Greenville, South Carolina,
where I was working a little five-minute match or whatever
with Baby Doll.
And I rolled out of the ring,
and Warlord is supposed to pick me up
and like roll me back in.
He put his hands underneath my arms
and just picked me up bodily off the ground
with his hand, arms straight out in front of him.
And I weighed 220 then.
It was like just picking up a goddamn kitten.
And so I can't remember exactly when a decision was made,
but didn't they not send him to Kansas City?
When Crocket bought Kansas City,
I don't know for sure.
they sent him to Florida, but I'm almost positive they sent him to Kansas City.
Right.
Because they wanted him to get more experience outside of the spotlight of the main crew in Charlotte.
You've got the horsemen and the rock and roll and all the great workers.
So that was a place where he could get a little bit more experience.
And that's what he did with Bubba later on also Dusty was sending these places.
And then Wardlord eventually was back with a barbarian.
as a team in the first part of 1988
the powers of pain
and they were being pushed
until Desti wanted to have that scaffold match
with the road warriors and they said well fuck
it's worth 300 pounds apiece we're not dropping
25 feet off that scaffold and they gave notice and went to the
WWF to work with
demolition didn't they go up for demolition right
because they left the road warriors one side
went to work with demolition on the other side
And it was a weird run because they brought him in his baby faces
and then eventually managed by a baby face Baron.
Baron von Rashka as a hoodie manager running out to the ring with them.
He had no history in the company.
All of a sudden he was doing this.
And it didn't really work.
Like at times they kind of got a pop,
but it wasn't really clicking.
And then they did a double turn.
And Mr. Fuji, the heel manager at Demolition at the Survivor Series in 88,
turned on Demolition to embrace,
the powers of pain.
And then demolition began their baby face run.
And there are very few tag teams as over as demolition were from like the beginning of
89 through WrestleMania 6.
And then they brought the road warriors in and turned demolition healed too early.
Think about this with the, especially with the more, the bigger percentage of an audience,
of the audience of WWF being kids rather than Crockett, were those,
Warlord and barbarian sympathetic
looking baby faces that the kids would like
those two ugly fuckers?
The warlord is one of the more like
like a wall.
Like people I've ever seen in Russia's gigantic and thick.
You know, recently I saw some footage of him,
I guess it would have been 86 for Crockett
with baby doll.
I think it was 86.
And I never thought this before,
but now I guess because of how old I am,
I was like, man, he was young.
Like I never saw him as a young.
person. When I was a kid, I just saw like he's just giant. He looks like he's had a fucking
Game of Thrones. He doesn't look real. No, he's younger than me. When I was working with him in
86, I had just turned 25 or was just turning 25 and he was still 21 years old. But look,
it was just a mountain. And that's another thing they said, he weighed 325 and was built like that
when he was 21, 22 years old. They said when he graduated high school, when he was 18, he weighed
185 pounds.
That's crazy. Help me.
That's crazy. Help me.
And he's still out there because every now and then you see photos of
like him and the Barbarian at convention and they're just like,
you know, dressed normally, but they have the face paint on.
Yeah.
They got that look good.
No, Terry, he's a great guy, Barb too.
I love both those guys. I saw him on a show
right before I quit doing shows and they were
they were just happy as clams.
See, demolition may have been influenced by the road warriors,
but powers of pain were.
in my eyes clearly, hey, let's pretend we have the road warriors.
Because they look so much like the road, even if you look at the gear.
The gear was the same.
All right, well, let's get one more question, Jim.
That was the warlord and Bill Luster.
And this show is losing its luster by the second.
Our final question will go off topic for this one.
This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com.
Of course, I'd just drop this.
I'm dropping all sorts of shit.
Fucking.
All right.
This question, Jim, was sent to Courtney drive-thru to Gmail.com.
Yes.
From Casey in Toronto.
Hello from Toronto.
And thank you for your wonderful weekly episodes.
We do two of them a week.
So which one of them don't you like?
My boyfriend John is a longtime fan of you and your work and recently got me hooked on your
podcasts.
While we both work in sports.
soccer to be specific
I don't know why that guy
while we both work in sports
soccer to be specific
he'd attended wrestling shows
since before I was even born
in 1988
and even wrote a book
Wait a minute, was he some kind of cradle robber here?
What the hell?
And even wrote a book called
the top 100 pro wrestlers of all time in 2002.
Dark Side of the Ring
is basically
date night. And we also enjoy rewatches of the separate eras he and I would have been watching
the most growing up. Dark side of the ring is a date night and we really enjoy watching
cats be beheaded. As a mutual fans of Wendy's and their cheeseburgers, we were curious,
which frosty do you prefer? Chocolate or vanilla?
John was shocked to learn that there was even a second option for the famous Frosty to go with burgers.
While my nearby Wendy's locations have advertised two plus seasonal flavors by strawberry and raspberry for quite some time,
this got us curious about your Wendy's preferences beyond the burgers.
Thank you for reading, and I can't wait to hear your reaction.
Well, it ain't going to be that big.
originally they only had the chocolate frosty
and I would have if I was dining in at a Wendy's
I would often have a chocolate frosty
but if you're taking it to go either to eat in a hotel room
or to eat in the car you can't do the frosty
because especially if you're driving
because there's too much going on there it's going to get everywhere
I've heard
that as a what use a straw
what even there's too much going on it's going to get everywhere
You can't suck a frosty with a straw.
They're too thick.
You'll cave the top of your head in.
Give it a few minutes.
You don't have to go right away since they hand it to you.
No, then if you wait until the frosty melts,
then it's really just fucking chocolate milk and it's weaker than cats piss.
You need the, because it's not really a chocolate milkshake per se, it's a frosty.
So it's either just weak-ass chocolate milk when it's melted or it's too thick to suck through a
cross, you have to eat it with a spoon, hencewise, why you don't do it in the goddamn car.
So, and, and honestly, I've, I've not even had a vanilla one because I've seen that they've
had that option, but since I haven't been doing as much fast food over the last several years
that I normally did, and as we've mentioned so many times, Wendy's so disappointed me when
they changed all their menus and methods of preparation and things turned to shit,
that now is
yeah yeah but I'll tell you what they ought to bring back
if they were going to bring something back
is the hot apple turnover
where oh where has
they haven't had the hot apple turnover
since the early 90s
how about the grilled chicken sandwich
something for us who just want a grilled chicken sandwich
that was delicious well if you want your
fucking grilled chicken sandwich
then go to a goddamn place
that grills chicken
what the fuck that's like a low fat twinkie
if you want a healthy option at Wendy's
you've gone to the wrong place to begin with.
Seriously?
I mean, again, it's the healthiest of the options there.
I'm going to go and eat at Wendy's, but I want to be healthy.
The kids all want Wendy's.
What can I get?
Because I'm starving.
That isn't awful.
You get a goddamn cheeseburger like a normal.
A grilled chicken sandwich tastes good.
It tasted really good.
Well, like a roo gulah or some shit on it.
Arugula.
That's something on it.
I don't know.
It was good.
And then a sauce.
Wendy's really has gone to hell if they're stocked arugula in the thing.
Maybe it wasn't.
it a rooble, but they got rid of it either way.
Well, either spicy or classic.
That's your choices, but they're fried is what they are.
And their chili is, again, very thin and disappointing compared to what it should be.
But you know what?
Isn't as thin as it used to be?
The burgers.
Now there are those completely square artificial-looking things that are, goddamn, when you get a
triple, they don't smash them as many times as they used to.
so you get a triple, you can't hardly open your mouth up to get around it.
But they're only half of the area size they used to be
because they used to have irregular edges and little crispy bits
when they were smashed on the grill.
But now it's just a goddamn pre-arranged patty sat down there
and heated in some mystery fashion.
And don't even get me started on when they changed the pickles.
But also the fries suck.
Fuck your fucking sea salt.
your goddamn
and some of the peel
is still on them.
Yeah, that's a thing.
Yeah, it tastes like,
yeah,
tastes like some of the dirt
they were buried in
is still on them too.
All right.
We want,
we want the good,
big,
thick,
golden brown,
non-peeled,
nice and salty,
crispy fries you used to have
20 fucking years ago.
Assholes.
I guess it's a reason
they changed it.
Obviously public demand.
And they took out
the Tiffany lamps
out of the dining rooms.
they had in the 70s.
The Wendy's old-fashioned
it tasted better when you were sitting at a table
with old-fashioned newspaper
covering the table.
Then you had Tiffany lamps.
You felt like you were a goddamn snazzy place.
It was society with Tiffany lamps.
I never knew that.
I never knew that version of Wendy's.
You're blowing my mind.
I didn't know they had Tiffany lamps.
They had the carpeting
and they had the old-fashioned Tiffany lamps
over the table so that it looked like an old-fashioned kind of billiard parlor type of thing
and brass rails and it was Wendy's old-fashioned hamburgers. And you were stepping back in time
to the Waldorf Astoria. Now you're some goddamn holding cell in a hood when you walk in. It's just
it's sterile and all clean and modern. Well, I say it's clean and modern. They don't clean the
places anymore. There's no decorations. That's the way it's clean. But there's a bunch of
goddamn ketchup packets and fucking napkins laying everywhere on the floor because people are pigs
these days.
You used to go into Wendy's and have a good goddamn dining experience.
And if you did take it out, well, when you took it down and you looked at the bottom of the
bag, there was grease coming through the bottom of the bag so you knew you were in for good
eating.
Now it's the dry you got to eat it in the fucking rain.
Wendy should do that.
It would actually probably make money if they opened like a few select locations
as the original store.
Go back and Google
what they used to look like
before they all went to shit.
Wendy's 1970s.
I'm telling you.
It was an event to go to a place like that.
See, we didn't get a Wendy's out by me
in Long Beach until like the mid-90s.
Oh, good heavens.
Good heavens.
You know the greatest?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, see there?
And the best Wendy's that exist
in the United States of America
was in Middlesborough, Kentucky, right on the
fucking state line of Tennessee
as we would go up Highway 23 on the way to our
Eastern Kentucky shows. That, I look forward to it.
I starved myself to train for it.
Every time I drove by that, Wendy's, I was going to,
they even, they went against corporate.
And at one time, they had those big, what do they call them,
the big buns, the big fluffy buns like he had.
have to get from a bakery.
There's a special term for those buns.
What is it, Brian?
You know your friends.
No, no, no.
But anyway, they were very, they were almost not a sourdough.
But they had extra juiced up special fluffy buns that they toasted carefully at that
location that you didn't get at any other Wendy's.
And the order was always perfect.
And it was always hot and juicy and the fries were always fresh.
but nowhere else Chicago couldn't do it
Columbus, Ohio couldn't even do it
but goddamn Middlesboro, Kentucky could do it.
Apparently according to this, the very first location,
Columbus, Ohio, that's where the very first Wendy's was
closed there in 2007.
But the flagship stores in Dublin, Ohio,
and if you go there, there is a museum,
a museum dining room,
which looks like the classic dining room is right next to the modern dining room.
You know, if Bobby Davis was still around, he would be ashamed at the way they've changed their menu and their preparation, MOs and everything.
You know, not that it's the same thing.
And again, McDonald's is McDonald's.
But my kids wanted me to take them to McDonald's.
Like, sometime within the last year we went, it must have been, it must have been like last summer because it was nice out, I remember.
And it was just, it was, you know, again, it's not Tiffany lamps or anything, but, but.
but it used to at least kind of be fun.
I was a kid, but still just, it looks so sterile now.
They got, they have the playroom, the next to it, the playground and all that stuff.
And color and just characters.
And now it's just everything is bland.
It's like walking into bland.
All right, well, let's end with, you talking about frost.
Frosties.
What about your thoughts of vanilla milkshakes?
It's, it's a vanilla milkshake.
I mean, you could drink.
but there needs to be some flavor.
I'm more of a strawberry person
because chocolate gives me a little bit of the heartburn.
Hence I said vanilla.
I like strawberry.
Well, there's really nothing there to the vanilla and a shake.
I like vanilla ice cream,
but I like to put a little Hershey syrup on top of them.
You got to balance these things out.
Why can't black and white live together peacefully?
Well, again, they can.
Wendy's now has vanilla and chocolate,
although you ran down every single other thing on their menu.
It's just a matter of time before you try one of those.
Jim, let's get out of here.
Let's hold on.
Actually, I do this after the songs.
Let's get a song or two.
And we've got some submissions.
Like we said, if you guys want songs, send in songs.
Make sure they're not AI.
Make sure they're about the show or something we talk about
and not just like, hey, here's my song about how much I love the killer bees.
Like, that's not what this is.
Corny Drive-Thru at gmail.com.
By the way, no one has ever sent in a song
by how much they love the killer bees, but
let's go to a song here
from someone who has sent in a song before.
This is sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com
from Anthony Delcello.
I got to just stop this for a moment.
Is any of those words rhyming at all,
or is it just the way he's pronouncing them?
Are you familiar at all with the Smiths?
Well, they used to live down the street, but they moved.
Do you know Morrissey?
Yeah, he was a cat that didn't like the chicken of the sea, or did he like it?
I can't remember.
You may be slightly not following along because if you don't know the Smiths or Morrissey,
you don't know what he's doing.
This is Sheila, take a bow, and it's him doing a British accent to sing it.
Because that's not the way he sounded in his previous songs, but, uh, all right.
Jim couldn't understand any of the words, and even I was having a rough time.
Thank you, Anthony.
Please send him more.
You have always sent the good stuff.
Just keep doing it.
Yeah.
Sooner or later, you'll get it right.
No, he's gotten there right before.
Just to try your real accent.
Let's get this one.
This was sent to Courtney Drythrough at Gmail.com from Matt Corlock, Tampa, Florida.
I'm a recent graduate from the University of South Florida School of Music,
and I'm about to go get my master's degree in percussion performance.
That just means I'm a drummer at Florida State University.
Brian, your theme song consistently cracks me up
and is the finest way to open the drive-thru that I could imagine.
I wanted to create a version that does some justice to your undeniable performance
while also highlighting some of your finest commentary
on our favorite Winnipegian Magan nut.
I hope you both enjoy it.
Jim, I hope the organ doesn't drive you to tears.
Thank you so much for everything you both do.
Let's go to this now.
Look at the confidence one gets from a special relationship with Mega,
but a contract guaranteed by Tony's dad.
You have star power, but a track record of the worst ideas
and taking care of only yourself.
And he knows that's the fucking truth.
Well, there it is.
was it.
Oh, go.
Yes.
Hey.
Yeah, that was, that was it.
And this man went to music school, so give him some credit here.
That was Matt Corlock.
Thank you very much, Matt.
It's an honor to have my song, have it covered by others.
I'll make sure that the publisher is getting in touch with you.
Jim, let's get one more song and get the hell out of here.
This one, let's move over here because we used it.
This one, we will do the same.
This one, all right, this guy has a.
hidden miss track record.
Let's go to this.
This is from Stefan and Auburn, Maine.
Well, now you've just buried him in front of all the people.
He's got a hit and miss record.
I could be wrong, but I think he's the guy we've cut off songs the most.
I've just been like, what the fuck is going on now?
It's all come full circle with myself and dear Cody,
another road traveled, another indifferent crowd,
and hopefully another solid potential for a heel song.
All right, I don't know what's going on here.
He sent two songs.
Dumb, the better song,
Mocking Roads again.
Let's go to Dumb-Dum
because he said that's the better song.
Let's go to this.
We played that before.
Let's go to this one.
And we cut that one off
because that was him covering Weezer.
I remember that.
And then when they rang the bell,
the longer it went,
the more it became
Hoke Hogan and the Rock in Toronto.
Mocking roads again.
It's like the lane.
their mocking roads again
The wife
They loathe two are in
Oblivion
It's not too late
And I'm mocking roads again
Mocking roads again
Though a face with title
To defend
Hear them sing his theme
Yet after words is men
I can't blame fans for
Mocking Roads again
mocking roads back when
In the land of misfit tours
Are known to cosplay
It was a bitter end
The fickle sickos
Turned Cody's plan sideways
On better highways
They're mocking roads again
The universe has joined
Unison
The wife below the two are in oblivion
So join the fray and we'll all mock rose again
I'm gonna disagree with you on Cody being the top baby face in the company
Cody's a heel. It's been subtle and you can tell they're teasing an eventual complete
Cody turn but go watch the last several weeks watch everything with Cody
Cody's a heel pretending to be a baby face for the time being
Cody is a complete heel in my eyes all right well then at least then if he turns then we'll
one or the other because right now it's a fucking mystery
like everybody else in this company
who's a heel and who's a baby face they don't even know
mocking roads again
in the land of misfit toys and on
the cosplay
was a bitter end
the fickle sickos
turn cordies plan sideways
they're on the better highways
yet they're mocking roads again
slide delay and they're mocking roads again
slight delay in their mocking roads again
The wife they loathe, loathe, the two are in oblivion
It's not too late we're mocking roads again
Because it's not too late we're mocking roads again
Because it's not too late
And we're mocking roads again
It just, it didn't
It didn't get there, dog.
They should have had Brandy, put the rail and, like, Spear Travis Scott.
That would have got the biggest pop of the night.
For real, I think she could take him.
Brandy?
She's tough.
She definitely can take him.
All right, well, there it is.
Well, there you go.
I like that last note he hit there on the singing there.
Oh, yeah, reminded me of you.
A little bit of Jim Cornett singing like Mussolini there.
We can all aspire to that.
Well, there it is.
That was Stephan and Auburn, Maine.
We got a note here from my Willie Nelson.
and it says, please stop.
But that was Stefan in Auburn, Maine.
And with that, ladies and gentlemen,
the drive-thru is closed.
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