Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 407: Jim Reviews Forbidden Door
Episode Date: August 29, 2025This week on the Drive Thru, Jim talks about the Raja Jackson incident, and reviews AEW Forbidden Door 2025, Tony Khan scrum audio, Jake Hager's comments about Tony, and much more! Thanks to our episo...de sponsors: SHOPIFY: Sign up for your $1 per month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/cornette HELIX: Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 27% Off Sitewide exclusive for listeners of Jim Cornette's Drive-Thru! Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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again, friends.
Jesus Christ.
And you are our friends.
We brought out the real organ today.
Welcome to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through.
We'll be talking about a lot of organs here today on the show.
We have a lot of things happening in AEW pay-per-view from London, as well as assault and
battery, attempted murder, and so many other things to talk about.
It's an action-pack show here this week, and here he is.
I'm the host, by the way, the great Brian Lass.
And here he is
Mr. Jim Cornett.
You just get, oh, for heaven's sake.
You know, when you started out with the slow version,
actually the slower you go,
the more it seems like you hit real notes,
but it was like the buildup to Hotel California in concert.
And then it got into the thing,
and then suddenly you screamed at me
and perpetrated my ear.
drums. Oh, come on. Give me a break.
With your hello, friends, they're not
your friends. What kind of friend
are you to go screaming in people's faces, Brian last?
Did you walk down the street and just
get up in somebody's fate? Hello, friend!
The fuck! Can you hello, friends?
Or hello, friends?
So you can do the hello, two different ways.
These are wonderful suggestions that perhaps I will
apply at some point, not now.
Brian, have you ever, have you ever a friend, friend, countrymen of mine, have you ever seen a skunk chase a deer?
No, that'd be a new one.
I am sending you a video.
Stacey's emailing it to me and I'm going to email it to you.
She tried to tweet it, but it wouldn't let her tweet it or whatever.
I don't know how these things work.
But again, last night, the motion sensor light in the back.
backyard goes off and Stace looks out to wit as she grabs her phone and videos it.
Sputnik the skunk is back and remember I told you because we got a semi decent look at him.
It was in a darker area, but I said he's got a lot of white on him.
Turns out this skunk from from toe to tip of tail has got to be three feet long easily.
It's a big ass skunk.
and its whole head is white,
a big white stripe going down its back,
and its whole tail is white.
It's more of a white skunk
that the black is on the underneath.
I have never seen a skunk like this in my life,
and it is facing off with one of the deer,
one of the Bundy family.
And I think it was one of the little ones,
I believe, there was none of the others around for reference,
and it was still dark.
But the deer would look at it
and it would run like a couple of steps
toward the deer and the deer would turn a giant circle
and hop back and look and be scared,
but it was chasing the deer.
Did it spray?
Did it spray? It's a notorious
and infamous skunk spray?
No, no, because it was just advancing
and was not being threatened
because the deer was running away
from it. It has to turn around.
It was advancing head first. It has to turn around to spray.
So when I'm driving around and I smell the skunk, like, do skunks, if they get run over, do they release
their toxic aroma? Do they...
Well, wouldn't you? I don't know. I don't know how it works. I don't know if it has to be
a conscious thing. Like, all right, it's time to spray this shit here. But if it's not...
If it gets run over by a car, whatever's in there is getting released in some fashion or another,
all over to concrete.
But what are you laughing at a poor squashed skunk?
What kind of sadist are you?
The last skunk I heard about in a car accident
was Vince McMahon on the Merritt Parkway, that hairdo.
And he's got that fucking streak in his hair.
But nevertheless, the point is if they're threatened,
if they're threatened or they're backed in a corner
or something happens that they feel in,
in danger, they will let loose with that shit.
And or I think there's another reason also because we had a family years ago living
under the walk in the back.
We were going to get rid of just the one, but then we saw the little babies.
And everyone, we just started closing the bedroom window.
It was springtime because they would just let loose with that for summer.
I don't know if they were threatened or just marking their territory.
but this fucking skunk ain't taking shit off anybody.
This deer's three times as tall as he is,
except if he was to stand up on his back legs and go,
that'd be an impressive-looking fucking skunks.
I wonder if he cross-bred with something.
With what?
Well, one of these other cross-bred things.
You don't know about these interspecies situations.
It could have been Landon.
Landon was more skunk than he was human.
It could be one of these chupacabra things.
You know, the other day I was going through some of my files,
and there's a Sputnik Monroe file,
but next to that, there are just various files of various Monroe's.
And, you know, Flash Monroe without the blonde streak,
it's not the same thing.
Not the same thing at all.
There were, there was Rocket Monroe, there was Flash,
Monroe. Bubba Monroe was actually Sputnik's son. And he ended up, his greater fame in wrestling
was being Jerry Jarrett's limo driver when Jared had that limousine. Oh, I didn't know that.
Interesting. Yes. Bubba Monroe was the, he was the driver the night that Jared almost put
fucking Bill D. out and made him right up front. What happened? From running over the people with a
I may have told the story, but again, we've got so many kids.
They had the big 10-man tag team match in Memphis.
It's a Mid-South Coliseum and the big crowd, and there's there to see.
The baby-faced team was Jerry Lawler, Stan and Steve, the fabulous ones,
Jackie Fargo, and Bill Superstar Dundee.
And all that, I can't remember,
Jimmy Hart's first family play, you know, like Ken Paterra was
probably on the other heel side,
or Ventura may have been in that,
whoever the fuck it was.
But all the baby faces get to grand entrance.
And of course, Lawler,
that was probably, I think, a night
he might have come out on a horse again.
I can't remember what he did.
And the Fabbs and Fargo came out in Jerry Jarrett's limousine,
as they did oftentimes.
Dundee wanted to come out riding his motorcycle.
And he gets,
revved up in that long
aisleway that they
would, you know, down ringside and
all the way to the back that people have seen
in the Mid South Coliseum footage, it's,
you know, to the ring was
125 feet, 150 feet, easy,
maybe more, I might even be underestimated,
my God. And he's
going to come out, and as soon as he comes
down that aisleway, the people are screaming
and rumrum, and they're playing
the song,
do-da-da-da-da-d-wipe-out.
the motorcycle music, right?
And as soon as they got to wipe out, he did.
When he got to ringside, the spotlight got in his eyes
that he was going too fast and he hit fucking spilled Coca-Cola.
And all the heels that aren't in the match,
including me, are watching from the back.
And it looked like that he just went down and slid sideways.
And then you see people jump up and it like,
how many did he take out?
Oh, my God.
Jared Jared shit himself in the back
come to fight that a bunch of people jumped up
and like I think a few stood on their seats
and he didn't actually mow anybody down
but it looked like a goddamn scene of mayhem right for a second
and of course Lawler and the fabs are dying laughing
and so they had the match nobody got hurt
they had the match everything's fine but Dundee had ridden
with Jerry Jarrett from down from
Hendersonville from Nashville in the limousine.
And Jerry, Jerry wouldn't let him ride in the back.
He made him right up front with Bubba Monroe.
Oh, wow.
And they get like, the story I heard was they got past Jackson.
Then it's like 1 o'clock in the morning or whatever.
And he Dundee made Bubba pull over the side of the road and he got out and he walked back
that long stretch limousine.
And he starts knocking on the door.
Come on, little man.
Let me, come on.
I'm sorry.
No, no.
he called him little man
everybody called jared little man
that was since when roy let him
take over Memphis
it was a little man
it was a term of endearment
if you had been shooting ringside still
obviously this a year after you started managing
would you have been wiped out
where would you have been
no I'd have been nowhere near Dundee
right in a motorcycle indoors
so I'd have been the last person
that got run over
I was I took pictures one day
they shot that video of him riding down the hill
and Jerry Jarrett's fucking giant
100 acre backyard on the
ridiculous video yeah had a bad reputation
it's just him riding his motorcycle
up and down hills
and that's why I wasn't about
to fucking let him be near me
on a motorcycle indoors
but
what were we talking about
we were talking about
Bubba Monroe.
And the Monroe's, Flash Monroe.
Monrose, all the Monroe's.
Not the Monroe's that work here,
the Monroe brothers, Alph and Ralph,
but the completely, the family of,
that was spawned by Sputnik,
because he was so over, he needed brothers and,
you know, really is the most genius name.
You know, Marilyn Monroe was in the middle of actually
her run as being one of the biggest,
most glamorous stars in the world.
He takes that and Sputnik,
which was in the news.
But now, hold on, Monroe was his legitimate middle name.
You know that, do you not?
I didn't know that. I did not know that.
Roscoe Monroe Brumbaw.
I knew Roscoe Brumbaugh.
Did not know Monroe was his actual middle name.
Wow.
So there you, but he was working, before he got Sputnik in Alabama, he was working as Elvis Rock Monroe.
Elvis and Rock at the same time.
Yes.
Well, because Rock from Roscoe, Rock.
Brumbaw had been a thing. He went through a variety of names.
Many of the fans called him many more. I'm sure there'll be lots more to learn about
Sputnik Monroe in the future that we'll let people know about. But...
Yes, a good, good tease. And it'd be about another week or so, and we'll start making
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But Jim, there has been a story this week that we have to talk about here at the top of the show.
And I thought the big thing this week would be just reviewing the AEW pay-per-view,
knowing that they typically go somewhere between 8 and 45 hours.
Yeah, yeah.
I figured there'll be a lot of things to talk about,
but I woke up to a bunch of people sending me footage,
and to this point right now, it hasn't stopped.
I don't know if I've ever seen something that didn't take place in WW
that was big, or I see I'm punk showing up in AEW.
I don't know if I've ever seen the reaction from the listeners to a story,
and this is the story of someone most of us had not really heard of before.
Raja Jackson, the son of Rampage Jackson,
the legendary mixed martial artist and UFC fighter
and an appearance
I don't even know if that's what we call it
then maybe more appearances coming in the future
but I think some of them will be mandatory
but he was at a show in Southern California
I believe or at least in California called Knox
Wrestling or Knox Championship Wrestling
let's talk about this story
Oh good life yeah because you can't even really
explained to people who if you've lived under
a rock and haven't heard
about this, we'll try to
go over
what happened, but like
you said, the attention
because it
just came out of nowhere, and it's
not even, it's
really incidental that it's about wrestling.
It's just about this
celebrity MMA fighters,
moron son that
you know, it commits attempted
murder after attempting,
after admitting that he's going to do it, then does it,
and his own cameraman shoots it and streams it to the world.
So that kind of, you know, was one of those things that tripped everybody's trigger.
Before we delve into this any further,
because it is related to wrestling,
the summation at all of this is that I think that, oh,
Roger Jackson needs to go to prison,
for quite some time
where he can contemplate
the choices he's made in his life.
So I'm not
absolving him
of any responsibility
for being a fucking lunatic.
But everybody
involved in this
at some level
is
an idiot,
unprofessional
situation
shouldn't have been even allowed to happen.
And it's just an example of why
that I am so goddamn disgusted
with the wrestling business,
both at major level and at the small time level,
the outlaw mud show level.
And the only good person that I can see in this,
or that actually more than good,
the only sane, rational human being that did anything right was the guy,
and I forgot his name now, because I never heard any of these people,
but the guy that pulled Roger off of the guy that he was trying to kill.
Oh, his name was Doug something.
I just saw an interview with him.
He came across a stand-up guy.
Well, and again, if you Google any report about this thing,
you'll have all these people's names because,
but here's the problem.
Here's the multitude of problems.
We may be here for a minute.
None of this should have ever taken place.
What the people saw,
apparently this not only Roger Jackson,
but his father does it too.
They just wander around their daily life
with somebody next to them
with a fucking camera phone
broadcasting them
and taking a shit,
making Coleslaw.
I don't know what the fuck.
Why are they just sitting around
on camera on the internet
these people?
What's happened?
They're trying to make money.
How is this?
They try to make money with them.
How would you make money?
What the fuck?
They're making content.
The influencers.
I don't know who they're influencing.
The content that I saw
was either this guy,
Roger, standing around
fucking cutting incoherent promos
and raving about shit,
or his father, Rampage,
was sitting with some other guy
watching something
that we couldn't fucking see.
Look, I don't know how many people are watching it,
but this was a live stream to an audience
that apparently was giving him feedback
after the initial confrontation,
egging him along,
and he was telling them,
yeah, I'm going to do something.
Okay, but this is news to me
that people would just walk around
with a camera broadcasting,
they're, you know, walking down the street,
oh, I wonder if there's a place to take a piss around here type of day,
and that anybody would give a shit to watch it.
So that's first thing.
These people are fucked up.
So then apparently Knox Pro Wrestling, which is at least in name owned by Rikishi.
And it's allegedly a wrestling school, more on that in a minute.
but they're having a show.
And again, you know, Rikishi wasn't there and I don't know,
is this one of those things where a lot of guys own wrestling schools
and a lot of guys just, oh, it's Sam Smith's wrestling school
and somebody else pays Sam Smith to say that, I don't know what's going on.
It looks like there's a family involvement,
which may mean that, you know, it's been the,
Samoan family
tradition
when one of the guys
does well
he spreads the wealth
around that rest
of the family
so did he
buy some
a brother-in-law
wrestling school
I don't fucking know
but they're doing a show
and one of the wrestlers
the guy in the cowboy hat
the dick that
the hero of the piece
is blaming for stirring
all this shit up
what's his name
can you remember his name
I had never seen or heard of him before.
I'd have to look it up.
I don't remember.
Cowboy hat, fella.
There's a guy walking around wearing a cowboy hat.
He knows Roger Jackson.
And he has Roger Jackson,
the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson,
come to the show to hang out with him,
and he brings him to...
Oh, God damn.
The dressing room was a parking lot
with a tent behind some cars.
and hey you know what i've been on some low budget
propositions before
and you know in the various training centers that i've been involved in
or fucking spot shows or whatever
but it's a bunch of guys
honestly it's a bunch of fucking guys that do this for fun on the
fucking weekends sitting around in lawn chairs next to
tent in a fucking parking lot
adjoining a building where they're having a wrestling
show where what was the crowd Brian was there 50 people
and did they have room to get 50 people in there
it was a small building and a small crowd I don't know how many
okay and this promotion because rickishi owns it
or it's the family thing I'm sure they got a
a favor deal they have one of those
W.W.E. ID
affiliations.
Or they did. More on that in a moment.
And, but it's,
you could, I'm sorry, I can tell by the guys and the
manner of which was going on.
This is a bunch of guys that do this for fun on the
fucking weekends. If anybody thinks they're going to
fucking be a star off of this proposition,
because number one,
the guy that
is psycho-strand,
who again, he did nothing stupid, maybe ignorant to the business,
isn't a reason to have your head bashed in while you're unconscious.
Don't even know what's happening.
But he's sitting there when Roger Jackson walks up and is talking to some of the other guys
and he sees, I guess, whoever the guy was filming him.
And apparently the story isn't a video backs it up that he wanted to,
he thought they were doing an angle
or doing it or shooting something
or working something
so he wants to get in on it and he gets up
and comes up and
I don't know Brian what it
you couldn't really hear what they said it didn't last long
but he didn't challenge the guy
oh you don't know me no I don't know you
I'm psychos too
he was trying to get on camera
and he he picks up one of the empty beer cans
they're drinking before the show
and also this guy, and I'm going to say this,
he's a veteran, Psycho Stu.
They said that he did this to deal with his PTSD,
but I also saw somebody say that he's been there for like 10 years.
So there's sometimes there's guys like that,
that everybody knows them, everybody likes them in the school,
they're eccentric,
and sometimes even in the territories
Mike Sharp used like take 20 showers a day
but they're a little
different or they don't quite pick up on it
but apparently Stu picks up one of the empty beer cans
and hits the guy over the head with it, Roger,
who doesn't sell it because he's like,
what the fuck is this guy doing?
And then Stu says, you ain't going to sell it?
he didn't know what the fuck's even going on and i saw one report said well it was a gimmicked beer can
there's no such thing as a gimmick beer can idiots it's just an empty beer can you're not
going to kill somebody with this hit him like that it's just what these stupid hardcore things
that fat guys who play wrestler on the weekends think is cool from ECW because sandman
used to do it.
He just hit the fucking guy.
It hurts.
It might cut you if you get him right, but it's not going to...
But the point is he hits the guy with the beer can.
And Roger is like, what the fuck is this?
And he starts to bow up.
And Brian then,
one of the Samoan bloodline family
was that he looked like off of the Samoan
if he was dehydrated. I don't know who this fucking guy is.
Someone told me it was the Black Pearl, who I believe is actually the son of Afa and Sika's older brother, but I'm not certain.
But that's what I was told by someone.
I don't know, but he looks like he's 100.
And I guess he's supposed to be the veteran or in some way, is he an official person here?
He's the one who stands up.
You know, brother, he's not a worker.
He's not a worker.
Here's another thing.
nobody that's actually a worker
just says to people or they didn't use to
not to everybody thinks they're smart
when they come into wrestling school
because they're already internet smart
but he would say he's not a worker
he's a K-fame he's not with it whatever
but he's not a worker nobody we didn't call each other
workers to begin with we were working
and we were workers but to each other
it is a high fellow worker
they're all fucking internet smart
so dehydrated alpha gets up and tries to cool him down
and the cowboy hat guy
comes in and I think he was there getting in the middle of that right
but then apparently they
talk them down
and they tell Stu
no this guy he's not shooting an angle he doesn't know what the
fuck you're doing.
And they tell
the dehydrated alpha tells
Raja, oh yeah, he'd say
we always working. We're always working here. He thought we were working.
Have I described this so far
like it actually stupidly happened, Brian?
Yeah, and also you brought up this is all outside.
This is the middle of the day, so the sun's just...
It looks like they're hiding behind
three or four parked cars next to a tent
in some chairs with a fucking
table full of beer cans.
Your first thought isn't they're backstage
at a wrestling show.
No.
So, yeah, the confrontation
happens.
Apparently,
Psycho Sue was alerted that this wasn't
a work or this wasn't an angle
or whatever he thought. And he apologized
or tried to make amends several times
and those are on camera.
Yes, and the guy even finally said,
okay, okay, we're cool.
But then
then they have a brilliant idea,
a wonderfully, brilliantly evil idea.
They come up and they tell Stu,
well, we're going to make something out of it.
Make something out of what?
What the fuck?
Suddenly people are going to descend on this location
to buy tickets to see what the fuck.
It's wrong on so many levels.
Nobody knows who any of these people are, except Roger Jackson,
who wandered into this, and he's a goddamn mental case, if we haven't mentioned that.
And what the hero of the piece that saved Stu later on...
Doug Mallow, apparently is his name.
Doug Molo claims that a podcast that Cowboy Hat Fellow didn't like Stu
and wound up Roger Jackson
and somehow the promotion,
aka Dehydrated Afa,
decides to go along with this
by putting Roger Jackson
in a spot in the match
where he's going to leave the front row of ringside
and go in and tackle Psycho Stew
and get his receipt back.
And the cowboy hat guy is on camera explaining,
I told you what a receipt is, right?
And again, and there's so many of these fucking goofy,
smart, Mark, internet smart, alleged fans,
alleged experts, MMA fans, whatever,
that just think that they know all the terminology
and they're so goddamn with it,
as Frank Space Man Hickey would say,
with it, not with it.
they know he was just good again that's his receipt you fucking idiot a receipt is when somebody's
careless and fucking throws a kick to your chest and kicks you in a fucking lip and gives you a
bloody lip and when you grab them in a fucking headlock and you goddamn take your knuckle and you
fucking pap them on the fucking cheek or something like go motherfucker or one of those you know
Vader Hansen type of receipts where they just club you on the side of the fucking head wants to wake
you up or whatever, but not goddamn attempted murder and intentional brain damage.
And, but all of these, mother, for every wrestler on this show, apparently, with the exception
of Doug, is internet smart.
And they're all a bunch.
And this guy wound them up to where they have this guy come in and do a fucking spot
on poor old stew.
Who may very well be psycho.
Maybe he was drinking.
Maybe he's just not that bright.
Again, not an excuse for attempted murder.
And somehow this passes by the chain of command
in this goddamn flea market they're running out there,
where this is all okay.
And then finally, now Roger Jackson is sitting in the front row
with his camera guy in Stu's match,
waiting for his spot.
And he's saying they told me to go in there and take him down and hit him.
Well, I'm going to hit him as many times as I can before they pull him off of me.
You watch and see.
And he's predicating and admitting in advance to everything he's about to do.
And he's broadcasting it.
And then when you know who won the pony,
when his time comes he goes in there double leg dives the guy snaps him down if the guy didn't hit
the back of his head and was still conscious after the first punch he wasn't because he just
drilled him right to face and then what did they say bro was it 22 or 23 punches that he threw
as hard and as fast as he could i don't think more than 16 connected though
and he's in a ring full of people
nobody's doing any goddamn thing
Well apparently from what I heard
The first person in there
Who tried to do something
And there was nothing he could do
Was only 17 years old
Yeah I did oh here yes
Remind me when I talk about
Legal liability later on here in the episode
The first person to get to the scene
Of that not to get to the scene
But to react to the scene
of the attempted murder
is a minor.
Then he tries to pull his
maniac off and that doesn't work
and then Doug comes.
And Doug's
looks pretty fucking stout to me
and apparently has some experience
and he's trying to pull the guy off,
Roger,
and he's pulling him off
and Roger tries to double leg him.
And he fucking
wasn't
it's quite so easy
as the guy
was working with him
a minute ago
and he didn't let him
he fucking snatched him
and apparently
as more people then came on
Roger punched him
in the eye
Doug and busted his eye open
so Doug in budded him
and drilled him back
in that interview that he did
Doug said in his mind
as it was happening
and you can't really doubt this
if Roger Jackson
had succeeded in taking him down
with a double leg, he would have tried to kill him too.
This was a guy that was going to just do this
until someone stopped him, it seemed like.
Well, he was already beaten.
I mean, anybody hadn't seen this.
It's just ridiculous.
And he's supposedly at Roger Jack's a trained fighter.
Like George Goulis, he's the George Goulis of MMA,
apparently, because his father, otherwise,
nobody would know who this fucking waste of sperm was.
But people would say, well, he's a trained fighter.
He can't fake it like the wrestlers.
No.
This is, if you're a trained fighter or a talented amateur,
this is a tempted murder of an unconscious body.
There's no defense whatsoever.
It wasn't landing punches on someone who's trying to defend themselves
and they're blocking you.
This was a downed opponent who was out cold.
Then he decided to start throwing as many punches as he could.
Yes, and the thing is, so when Doug's pulling him off
off and Doug is actually a
fucking challenge.
If Roger got a fucking chance
to get on top of him, what do you think he'd have fucking
done? Because now you've got to be scared. Oh shit.
Somebody fucking fighting back here.
I got to panic even more because he was
in the zone.
Because apparently the
42 fucking people that
watched this guy wander around his life
on camera were winding
him up like, you're going to let that guy get away with
hitting you in a head with that can and everything.
And I guess now people are saying that his father verbally abuses him, belittles him,
fucking is just a dick or whatever in some fashion.
So this guy's got mental.
And did you love that, hold, I may be jumping ahead, but God damn it, just all this is so crazy.
Oh, Rampage, when he puts out a statement, said, oh, I can't believe my son did this and I'm so ashamed or whatever he said.
but he did suffer a concussion and sparring a few days ago.
He's already setting up a brain damage defense
because his goddamn little felon fucking bitch pussy son
is trying to kill unconscious people.
So anyway, back to this fucking deal.
So again, not only were there people in the ring,
the referee, the rest of the match was happening, whatever.
And Doug, who was over by the stage,
apparently not like it's a big building again but this by his words he was at the stage and he saw it and had to run in other people could have chose to and they didn't and then when the pulp apart and he gets his eye busted he head butts the guy and they pull Jackson out of the fucking ring and they're taking him out somebody else in the match covered the fucking guy that had just been goddamn beaten to a pulp and is bleeding out of his
face everywhere covered him and the referee counted it.
I said, can you rewind that and just have me say that again?
Because I don't know if I get those words out again.
And I guess at that point, too, that's when he was also choking on his own teeth and blood.
Yes, he was in the process of choking on all of the teeth that was described as a lot
that got knocked out and the blood that was not only coming from inside of his mouth,
but also in various parts of his face,
somebody covers him
and the referee counts it
because they've got to get the finish in.
And again,
what kind of goddamn dog and fucking pony show?
See, that's the thing is,
and I told you earlier today,
I said, we ought to get Jay Shark Nato
to dig up
when we talked about the developmental
program, I don't know, months and months ago and all the thousands of hours of audio we've done.
And I talked about being the guy booking the third party appearances and bookings for the
talent in the 90s when I was in Stanford and working in the office and how if the guys,
you know, autograph sessions, yes, but also if the guys that didn't get booked often then
and weren't on big contracts, if they could work for some independent promoters.
As long as they paid a booking fee and we knew that they wouldn't,
the promoters were somewhat legitimate,
they would be allowed to do that.
It was a boon to the guys that ran decent shows.
But eventually after I left, because nobody wanted to fuck with it,
they just said, well, nobody can wrestle anymore.
Actually, I think right before I left,
nobody can wrestle anymore because we don't want to fuck with these people
because something might happen to get them in the fucking newspaper.
you get them on TV and bed and there's a WWE guy
standing next to the scene of the fucking crime or whatever
30 years later nothing has changed
that's why they
this WWE ID thing
and they give it out to this again
it's it's in the family oh it's Rikishi's thing
okay whatever
but Jesus H Christ Christ
Rakesha ought to know bear if his name's going to be on it.
If he ain't there,
he ought to have people that know what the fuck they're doing.
And you can tell that they don't actually,
none of them know what the fuck they're doing,
to be honest with you, this wrestling school,
allegedly, in quotation marks,
because none of these people would be a legitimate one,
except for Doug,
because everybody else looked like a goddamn bunch of fucking befucking foams.
So anyway, they drag Roger Jackson out and they take him out the building and he starts walking down the street with his cameraman.
I'm tired of these motherfuckers taking advantage of me.
I ain't playing.
And he's just walking down the street to, you know, said a further admitting confessing to, yeah, this motherfucker ain't going to fly with me.
and then some of the fucking wrestlers, allegedly, in quotation marks,
that we're on a show, were brave enough to come to within a block of him
and yell horrible words at him.
After he just beat up one of the boys on the fucking card and put him in a hospital,
how did that motherfucker get out of the building?
I mean, Jesus, age Christ.
What do you think if somebody to fucking,
in Crockett
almost nobody
like Tully
but if somebody
had beat the fuck out of Tully
he wouldn't have got 10 feet
the whole rest of the card
would have ripped him into pieces
hey Travis Scott
smack Cody in the ear
just walked in the back
smiling and high five and everyone
everyone told me did a great job
but you have to think
if there was an assault like that
you'd have to think there'd be a line of people
if not running to the ring
waiting for the person to get in the back
you would have to think that.
Well, they didn't go to the back.
He went out to the side or whatever.
I'm told me,
there wouldn't have a wait for to come to the back.
And there was no back in this goddamn building.
There was plenty of ass, but no back.
All those other wrestlers were standing a fucking round
with their dicks in their fucking hands.
I probably couldn't find their own dicks
because they were such pussies.
And one guy is the got to get on this motherfucker.
I did.
So again, again,
and then they call an ambulance and fucking take him and he was critical but stable was the description after the fact.
I don't know that one of those doesn't contradict the other.
I guess you go, well, he's no change.
He's still fucking critical.
But I know, let me try to walk this through step by step and explain how in any kind of legitimate professional,
environment, not only just because they're affiliated with the
WWE, but just taking pride in anything you fucking do.
Or is it just a money grab for the in-laws or the dehydrated
alpha or whatever?
But I'm not even going to talk about, oh, we'd have done it this way at
Ohio Valley Wrestling, even though I'm going to talk about that, in part.
But the reason why we did it that way was because it was the way that it was done
every goddamn where else
that I'd ever been
that had ever been successful or professional
or fucking just not
allow stupid things like this to happen
this is another one of those modern
phenomenons
that could never happen
in the legitimate
professional wrestling industry
everybody's internet smart
yes if you have a low
budget school and
you got a low-budget show, then ball means dress out to parking lot under a tent.
There's no shame in that.
You don't have to be too poor to paint and too proud to whitewash.
That's fine.
But the first thing is, nobody needs to be drinking beer, even if it's a Saturday afternoon
and it's good weather because it's California.
There's no drink at a laugh at the show, number one.
number two
how the fuck did roger jackson just wander into the even if it's the dressing room
even if the dressing room is outdoors in a parking lot it's in the back
it's not accessible to the public
a guy brought him in there that's friends with him hey my friend come on down and hang out
with me and i'll take you back here and we'll talk to all the boys
no on camera oh well i'm not even there yet
just the idea of I'm sorry
if it's a friend of yours
or your brother-in-law or your fucking wife
or your sister or your uncle
or whoever the fuck family member
or member of your social circle it is
they ain't in a fucking locker room
they're just not there
the people that are allowed in the locker room
and and I know
everybody's going to say in the WWE
they've got camera personnel and it's said
okay fuck you I'm talking
of a goddamn wrestling show.
And especially at a wrestling school
where you're supposed to teach these principles.
Nobody in the locker room
except the boys that are on the card,
whether it be wrestlers,
referees, managers, anybody that's on the card
part of the show,
your ring announcer and your local promoter.
And that's it.
In the territories,
even the goddamn uniform police
were often allowed.
in the locker room.
And a lot of building managers had to be insulted.
But we're renting the building for these four hours tonight.
So you can't go in the locker room.
It was for a variety of reasons to protect K Fabe,
to cut down on because guys, especially when it was a cash business
or guys had jewelry or shit,
the fewer guys in a locker room, something goes missing, fewer suspects.
and also because it was just goddamn protocol.
And you didn't on spot shows,
a guy might bring his kid,
and we'd send the kid to run errands.
You know, like that type of thing.
That was a little, you know,
a little bending the rules,
but whatever the fuck.
But there was not this goddamn,
oh, we can just bring anybody.
If Cowboy Hat guy
had wanted to bring the son of a celebrity,
whether he's an MMA fighter
or a goddamn noted goddamn contortionist
on the Ed Sullivan show,
he should have gone to whoever was running the show
either as the booker or as the promoter
and said, I've got a celebrities kid,
wants to meet the boys,
and then you set up a separate fucking deal.
And so in OVW or in any other promotion
that I've worked in or been responsible,
responsible for.
Number one, the guy, the cowboy
had guy would have got yelled at for bringing
the guy back to begin with. And then
secondly,
with a camera
broadcasting to the world.
No, and
no, not even for
K-Fa-Fa reasons, but also
for what if a guy walks out of the
fucking porta-pottie with his dick
out. But, and
again, there weren't the camera
of phones in OVW or in the territories, but people had video cameras.
If a guy had come in, that's what I'm talking about.
This school is a bogus fucking insult to wrestling schools.
If they have no more structured, no more discipline, no more control, than what they have
and they have taught any of these guys no more than what they've taught them.
If a guy came in with a visitor unauthorized, he'd have been kicked out in the OVW
locker room.
if a guy came with a camera or a friend with a camera,
even an idol have been booted,
he might have been fucking expelled in the locker room without permission.
Then if any of the boys sitting around happened to see somebody with a camera
and some other people talking and just went up and inserted themselves in it,
for whatever reason,
without being told, he would have got cussed out.
And if he'd have picked up a fucking can and hit a guy that he's never seen before
and hadn't been told to, he would be expelled and told to get to fuck out now.
Except if, like, he, psycho, Stu, is one of those guys
that maybe he doesn't pick up on things too quick, and it's just him, okay, Stu,
you can't be doing that,
but you got cussed,
nevertheless at the time.
He was just a regular
person. He would have got expelled.
And instead of dehydrated
office standing up and just joshing,
in my position, I would have been the one
cussing at the guy for hitting the other guy to head with a can,
cussing at the guy for being in a locker room,
cussing at the guy for bringing a guy in a locker room,
and cussing at the guy with the fucking camera phone.
get the fuck all of you get to fuck out of here so there's that but then they decided to make
make something out of it and put him in a spot which means apparently either somebody
was it cowboy had guy maybe dehydrated off of maybe he's had enough of fucking stew
well let this fucking kid go in and leg dive him and give him a fucking receipt as they call it
Yeah, why make something of this?
For who?
For, there's no reason.
For nobody, how would it, oh, would it increase their exposure?
Does 70 people watching Raja?
Oh, it's increased their exposure now.
But I don't believe that...
Yeah, really.
Must watch indie match of all time now.
Yes, from an ex-fucking indie.
But, so they're going to make something out of it
to fuck with fucking stew in some fashion
at the simplest basic terms.
They're going to fuck with Stu for being hit him with a can,
let him leg-dabbing, give him a shot.
And of course, they don't,
they don't even bother to think through a receipt.
What's that?
Give him a good one.
What is that?
Or you say, punch him in the mouth,
but don't hit him in the goddamn cheek or the fucking eye
or don't break his nose or good Lord,
don't kick him in the mouth.
the ball's so hard that his fucking testicles explode.
That could be a good one or a shot or whatever.
There's no,
there's no instruction whatsoever.
And here's another thing.
And I don't care what's a wrestling school or a promotion.
And as a manager over the 35 fucking years from start to finish that I was doing shit,
I've worked with non-wrestling people, radio disc jockeys,
or celebrities of some element that had to do something.
I had a mixed tag team match with me and Stan Lane against Tim Horner
and the principal of the East High School in Morristown, Tennessee.
Jerry Williams, the stiffest old bastard that ever stepped foot in a wrestling ring.
Because we taught him how to body slam me and pin me.
And we didn't think to fucking tell him not to put the point of his elbow into my
my goddamn Adam's apple when he was pinning me and permanently mutilate me.
But to point, you don't let any non-wrestling people.
And that even extends to managers and referees sometimes if you want something not only to look good,
but to be safe, there's extensive verbal communication if a walkthrough is not possible.
and it's kept very basic.
And you have, I've never just let two,
I mean, psychos too, he may have been training for a long time,
but, you know, I don't know how experienced he might be,
but you don't let really green people in there doing their own thing to each other.
You have experience around them, whatever.
This is completely unprofessional and totally bullshit.
and small time outlaw mud show.
They didn't care what it looked like.
There's nobody there.
They have no pride in what they're fucking doing.
Let's just let this fucking guy fuck with this other guy.
And what was,
and he's,
Roger Jackson is sitting there on the front row
and you can only see people on with two sides of the ring.
I don't know if there's anybody behind where the fuck, right?
And maybe there was 27 people there.
But he's sitting there saying he's going to do all this.
And then when he slides in and they shoot it and he does everything that he said he was going to do,
nobody would have ever called that to begin with.
So it's not like that they were making so.
What was his impetus to do that?
He had not even been in front of the meager audience that was there.
There was no cause.
for him to just suddenly jump in there and do that.
They're just like, who the fuck is this guy?
And if they're trying to make people believe it's real,
then idiot Jackson has already told him that they told him to do that.
But he's also told him that told the people watching his stream
that he's not going to do what they said.
He's going to really fuck the guy up.
So who was this for?
It may be for the district attorney, we'll find out.
I have a statement here, Jim.
Please.
This was put out by A.J. Mana.
M-A., if that is how you pronounce it.
He was the cowboy hat wrestler.
I want to take a moment to address a recent incident and Knox Pro.
By the way, it's such a stupid spelling.
K-N-O-K-X.
Knox Pro.
First and foremost, my thoughts are with Psycho Stu,
his family. No one ever wants to see a fellow performer get seriously hurt. There's been a lot of
speculation online about my role that night. The truth is, I was in character and speaking...
Oh, geez. Oh, come on! And speaking in the language of wrestling. Everything I said was part of the show,
and I never intended or encouraged real harm. This was a situation I unfortunately,
got out of hand due to a miscommunication behind the scenes.
Wrestling is built on trust, respect, and protecting each other in the ring.
That's what I stand for, and anyone who has worked with me knows that.
I respect this business...
Apparently Doug doesn't.
I respect this business. I respect the fans,
and I respect the performers who step between those ropes.
I hope we can focus on Stu's recovery and make
sure something like this never happens again.
Yeah, this was the guy that Doug said was a skinny chicken-legged little bitch
that had his ass kicked on a couple of fucking backyard fights
and wanted to get somebody that was halfway trained to do his fighting for him.
Was Doug's description of the guy that just uttered that statement?
And actually, from the interview I saw those were almost his exact words.
But I thought he was very eloquent, yeah.
Got down to the summation of the fucking thing.
This is like Colin Thompson putting out that statement saying,
here are ways we could help the creators and change the business.
But anyway, so the thing is, is that obviously the WWE cut,
they immediately dropped these people off all the social media
and they don't have an ID deal for whatever that was worth anymore.
But just again, as speaking as a person,
who's offended as professional who used to own a legitimate wrestling training program,
the fucking guy and his cameraman should have never been in the middle of the boys without being
cleared and having someone escort him to meet anybody he wanted to meet or do something
like that.
Instead of just coming up and bullshit and shooting video on his own that wasn't cleared,
when fucking stew hit the guy in the head with a can despite not having everything.
anybody tell him to do that.
Somebody should have calmed stew down and maybe told him
go home for the day at least.
I don't know whose brilliant idea it was for this
surly fucking Roger Jackson,
who obviously wasn't taking things in a fucking fun spirit
to just suddenly jump into this match
and spinebuster this guy and even to do a spot.
where he, again, what was the plan?
Give him a receipt.
Was that the spine buster that knocked him out?
Or did they expect that he'd get on top of him and throw working punches?
Did anybody show him how to do that or ask him whether he's going to do it?
Or did they just leave it open to his interpretation as to how he should strike the guy once?
And then he proceeds, do it 22 more times.
and a guy from the back when there's motherfuckers in the ring,
except for the teenage, the underage minor,
whose parents should be in contact with the insurance company,
if any, of this fucking outlaw operation.
Besides the underage minor,
the guy from the back of the building was the one to get in there
and do something about it while all these other motherfuckers
were holding their dicks in their hands.
that spot had to go through who?
Who's running that show?
Who's fucking that dog and who's just holding its head?
Who is the person in charge
on behalf of the corporate entity that owns this fucking flea market?
That said, okay, let's do that spot in this match on the show.
What spot?
This is a spot where he fucking takes him down and goes.
God damn does whatever the fuck to him.
Because the whole idea we're going to do something with us on the show.
What were they going to do?
This guy's not a trained wrestler.
What was he supposed to do?
That's what they said double leg him and get a receipt.
That's what I'm saying.
And who approves that to be a part of the fucking match?
Or is this a hey kids, let's put on a show where the boys just come up with their own shit in their match?
In which case, why the fuck is the WWE involved?
Oh, I forgot.
Family.
well but they're not anymore but they were originally because of the fucking family so he puts
his name on this and he lets this shit go on and by the way then hold on hold on i'm not even done
with the list yet god damn it now that i'm mad so then somebody allowed this to happen and
thought they was going to get a receipt and then he gets 22 more and nobody will fucking come in
and then the fucking guy comes in and pull and then the motherfucker covers even a referee counts it
have these people they are they are fantasizing that they are wrestlers there is no level there is no bar of competence anymore
there is no level of achievement it used to be a half-ray goddamn difficult thing
to get into the goddamn wrestling business and you didn't come in thinking you were smart
because you were internet smart there was no internet but if you thought you were smart you were
you kept your mouth shut, and you had people that had been doing this for years and years
teach you how the fucking thing worked.
And none of these powder, they might be a veteran dehydrated alpha.
He's 100 years old.
He might be a veteran, but he's an idiot.
If he's responsible for any of this, you can be a hundred years old and still be a goddamn nobody idiot.
There is no excuse for this on any level that any kind of operation should be run like this
and the fact that now it is so easy for everybody to just call themselves.
I'm a wrestler.
I'm a professional wrestler.
I'm a worker.
And I'm working all the time, baby.
In your fucking heads, you goddamn amateurs, I'm so sick and fucking fed up with this shit.
None of y'all out there.
I don't care how smart you think you are.
You ain't as smart as you think you are to the fucking wrestling business.
And whether it's the fucking guys,
they don't want to fantasize that they're fucking wrestlers on the weekends
and then goddamn drink beer and fucking shave half their heads on the fucking weekdays
to look like some kind of goddamn gimmick and parade around
and say, I'm a big time wrestler or the fucking little jackoff local
yokels that make Jack Feffer look like P.T. Barnum
that want to run these mud shows
or the goddamn marks that want to dissect.
Whose fault is?
Well, he said he's going to get a receipt.
You fucking morons on both sides of it.
You're all fucking morons.
You have a simpleton's understanding of this industry
that has almost been lost today
because everybody thinks they're fucking smart.
So this wrestling school ought to be shut,
fucking down.
Roger Jackson ought to go to
goddamn prison.
I think
the family of
Stu
should file civil
suits against
everybody that's involved in this
that might have any kind of
fucking homeowners insurance.
At least
to cover anything,
everybody, from the top
down, all the way up to rampage
for fucking impregnating
whatever hyena spawned this goddamn simpleton.
And then I think they ought to give 25% of it to fucking Doug
for being the only fucking person to be of any help whatsoever
in the whole goddamn thing.
I'm sorry, but I'm kind of just ticked off.
And it's understandable.
Speaking of Doug, the interview he did that we referenced earlier
was on the scaling up podcast.
It's on YouTube.
We encourage people who are interested to check out this video interview.
They also put up graphics allegedly
from the school
Knox Pro
to various students
or wrestlers
that work with them
encouraging them
not to talk to the police
did you see that?
Actually, no, I didn't
I missed that
but maybe I did,
well no,
as a matter of fact,
I saw a headline
and I didn't click on it.
I just realized that now.
Apparently encouraging them
not to cooperate with the police
and all the students
or at least a good amount of them
responded,
yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir, yes sir.
Speaking of
WWE,
WWE has removed
Knox Pro from its
talent recruitment website.
The promotion has removed
the WWIID branding
from social media,
and the WWIID Twitter account
has unfollowed
Knox Pro,
Rikishi, and the head trainer
Black Pearl.
So, WWE distancing themselves.
It makes you wonder why they originally
even
just associated with it.
obviously the Samoans
It's a family
It was a favorite of the family
tied in but you know
Miro came out of that school
I saw he tweeted out something
but you know a school is more than who owns it
and you know that maybe a lot of people
were spoiled over the years by
what you were doing in OVW people like Tom
Pritchard out there people took it all serious
like you said everything you see on that video
beyond going past the
attempted murder everything else was concerning
just in terms of the
the maintenance and operation
of an alleged wrestling company,
whether it's a promotion or a school.
That anybody,
that any of the,
and I mean,
okay,
let's say that nobody was a real
fucking fighter,
Pinocchio and wanted to jump this guy,
but they covered him afterwards
and somebody counted.
And just the way that they talked to each other,
it's all internet smart,
outlaw,
It's minor league. It's amateurish.
It's, and that's the thing that's got so much publicity.
Mainstream publicity, yeah.
Mainstream publicity that they just say a pro wrestler, a pro wrestling event, and you look at that.
And people, again, mainstream, they don't know the difference, whether it's WWAW, it's just pro wrestling.
Look at these low rent, this bullshit that happened.
wrestling.
That's what gives the wrestling business
a bad name.
And I'm sorry,
there was a lot of OBW shows
that Danny Davis wasn't at. He was the owner.
He was the,
he was the Wizard of Oz, the man behind a curtain.
There was a lot of shows he wasn't at,
but he knew everything that went on.
And there were people there,
whether it was me or a few others in his absence,
that would not have tolerated
any of that and everybody up and down the card before they were even allowed to be out in public
in front of their first audience, their first match would have known the basic principles that I
just outlined and none of that shit would have ever fucking happened.
And that's just in the most basic of principles, their structure and protocol in the wrestling
business and these people are just internet smart and fantasizing about doing shit on weekends.
And yes, Miro may have come from there.
And the reason why that they try to keep California wrestling schools on their radars because
there's always some fucking fighter or want to be bodybuilder, or depending on the generation,
when they wanted bodybuilders, they were in California.
When they want fighters, they're in California.
when they want fucking models they're in California
but once they get a John Cena was in California
and the rest of it once they find them
they get them the fuck out of there and then they train them
these get a lot of these guys
unfortunately you know
they're doing this on weekends
I'm so I don't mean to I'm offended
for this fucking guy who didn't deserve to get his face
bashed in,
because he's not a goddamn Mensa member,
and just the business,
and the business of schools,
and the business of how it has been prostituted
and how easy and simple it has become
for anybody to act like they're a part
of something that they would have never,
ever been able to be a part of on merit before.
I yield the floor.
And we'll see what happens.
obviously there's been a lot of mainstream coverage of this,
and a lot of it has even centered on,
when will this guy be arrested?
What's actually going on with this?
You'd have to think that,
unless they're just going to ignore that video that just came out,
that he has to be arrested.
Who could do this and not,
how can you do this and not be arrested?
I don't know what it's taking this long.
And did Rampage have the Connor McGregor money?
They can just buy this all?
I don't know if he could do it that quickly, because also I don't know if it's going to go away.
You know, in the past, something like this, if this took place in a state in the South, this may destroy wrestling for anyone else wanting to promote wrestling in the state.
That's the kind of thing that used to happen in the past.
But, you know, we'll see what happens with all this.
You got to think if there's any lawsuit, it won't just be Roger Jackson.
It'll be the promotion.
They allowed this all to happen for no good reason.
No one did give me any reason why, hey, you know what,
it would be a good idea if we do some kind of angle with Rampage Jackson's son
who no one knows.
I don't think so.
Well, and again, as a matter of fact, I would be more than happy to lend a free
and uncompensated statement on behalf of a person who ran a wrestling school at a pretty
high level, all the various things that they did that was unprofessional
and shouldn't have been done.
And it's almost the list of everything they did
pass brush their teeth that morning.
Well.
But Doug's my man.
I like Doug.
And again, you can see that interview that just went up last night, I believe,
as we are recording.
And that's that story.
We'll stay on top of it.
I just hit something here.
We'll stay on top of it as we find out more information.
Jim, it's always awkward.
But why not go with it?
You know, perhaps you're one of these guys.
that thinks I'm a physical guy, I do
MMA, I do boxing, I've always liked wrestling,
whatever it may be, I want to go and be a wrestler.
How many of these men would spend their time more wisely
if they just created some sort of concoction
and launched a website and started selling it to the world
and we know the perfect partner for this alleged concoction?
Well, it depends on what kind of concoction now,
because you can't make a concoction without cock,
and there's no, you know, there's no limit to the thing.
Well, it's just the thing you got to,
you got to think it all the way through, see.
But what about a potion or a lotion?
A potion that could cause emotion
and make you need lotion for motion.
Whatever you want to make or produce, let's say.
Production is the key.
Control production.
You got to have a market.
You got to have a marketplace.
You got to have somebody.
You got to have customers is what you need.
ultimately. And so in between the time that you make something, Brian, and the customer buys
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Dearly beloved, we now have to travel to the UK for AEW's British spectacular Forbidden Door.
In the past, it was filled with a lot of wrestlers from New Japan or CMLL,
and it seems like that number shrinks every year.
It was mostly AEW wrestlers with some of the semi-regulars that appear throughout the year on Dynamite.
Well, now they all just pop up, so it's not like it's the once a year you get to,
to see these people because they,
and also there's not that many new people anymore,
but some of these people are very old,
but nevertheless,
I think you hit the right tone there with the,
it's like a cathedral setting type of thing.
They're preaching to the choir, is what I'm trying to say.
Because I actually watch this thing,
the prime video doesn't bug me as bad as the Netflix, Brian.
I get a little box at the bottom of the screen when I pause it and fast forwarded
where I can see that I'm skipping shit that I want to skip
and I'm not skipping shit that I don't want to skip.
So it's handier.
But it wasn't bad, the prime video.
But the show is continuing to preach to the choir and I'm afraid
that the congregation continues to get just burn out on a lot of stuff.
and they had a wonderful house in London, 18,900, whatever,
the biggest wrestling crowd in the O2 arena history.
They haven't killed London yet.
The big show is still a big show for them over there.
Over there, say a prayer,
because the talent's over, the talent's over,
and we can't get over unless we're over.
there.
They're doing the music hall in Cincinnati in the United States.
They've got 18,000 people in England.
But what did they have to do that was any different or even as good as the shit they've been
doing over here to lackluster crowds and diminishing response?
Because they've burned everything out.
And now they opened up forbidden door with.
a great package for their audience because it all concentrate on the legendary and groundbreaking
partnership with New Japan Pro Wrestling and CMLL Global Stars, Action Highlights.
The average person has no idea who 80% of the people in the action highlights that are called Global Stars are the open,
didn't build stars, individual stars,
on either the roster or this particular event
and or rivalries between same or explain them,
the focus was on international wrestlers.
Do you think that's a good mainstream strategy
to try to get anybody involved in your program?
Is that a question for me?
Yes, that's a question for you.
I mean, they're micro-targeting to a Tony con type fan.
And that's why the fans who seem to like the booking, when the booking seems awful,
the fans that seem to like promos sometimes when they just seem unbelievable and fake,
there's a certain fan base that really likes his style of TV and nonstop matches where, you know,
everything is a long competitive
squash match.
Even on this show, there were a bunch
of matches. You knew
who was going to win.
And you knew there was no reason they need to go
20 minutes. TV matches.
But it's all the time now.
I almost wonder, would they lose
any audience if instead of a 20 minute match
that's a long competitive squash match, they put
three squash matches in that time?
And it was just three wrestlers coming out there and looking good.
But it's not the way they do things.
And, you know, there's a lot of reasons
that want to root for AEW and one AEW
to be able to fight back against WW,
but then you watch what it is,
and then you hear Tony talk,
and I watch the media scrum afterwards.
He's so happy with himself.
And he really thinks he is someone who has this down.
And unfortunately, there aren't too many people
in the wrestling business who think he does.
It's micro-targeted.
to the tape trader who went to message boards
and not even all of them.
And the thing, he has tools here
and besides the big house,
because London, I mean, it's not,
it's not Wembley, but still 20,000 fucking people or whatever.
He has stars, he has people that are over with the audience,
but it's like a jigsaw puzzle.
This put together all wrong.
And the first match,
Edge's entrance. He comes out. He's still over over there. I won't sing again. And they cut his
music and the whole crowd sang the last two verses. It's like a star has come out. And Christian
came out and he got a response to. And it's the reunion of Edge and Christian. And then here
comes Pip Sabian and the former.
Well, she'll never drown.
She's got that going for her.
And they've substituted now our old friend Dino Dooch,
Dush, Luchosaurus, who they are insisting on calling
Killswitch, even though all the fans keep chanting
luchosaurus at him because apparently that would disrupt the whole angle.
I don't know why.
And the fan stood there.
The crowd was deflated.
This was a TV match for Edge and Christian's reunion.
And that to me is, you know, they've got this convoluted deal going on where are you?
Well, you help me with Nick, who now his foot is broken.
so now it's Dino and Pip, and I'll help you with FTR, but, geez, oh, Pete,
nobody wants to see these guys.
And Luchosaurus, they want to see him, but they don't want to see Kill Switch,
and they want to see him switch, which apparently they're going to do,
because this match, again, Edge and Christian return.
You can tell a hundred stories, but not at the same.
time. Not only did we get Edge and Christians' reunion, but also they had to put the lizards stuff over
as a giant. They couldn't just completely, you know, make him secondary, but then they've still
got to get over themselves, but then that means PIP gets the shit kicked out of him, but nobody
gives a shit when Pips in the ring. When Pips in the ring, they're chanting.
for the lizard to get back in the ring.
Yeah, the fans may have sang
Edge's song, but once the match got going,
they were chanting for Luchosaurus the whole time.
Well, yes, because, again,
they want him to be a baby face.
Well, then now, because Christian used to mistreat him,
now for some reason, Pip, who's nobody in this thing
and has no reason to disrespect
Luchosaurus,
starts slapping him to tag him and telling him what to do.
And, you know, finally,
the lizard grabbed Pip and threw him at edge,
but the crowd didn't get it because of the way that they did it.
There was no, I don't, there,
there was ideas of good spots in here,
but neither Luchosaurus nor Pip is a good bumping worker to take bumps.
but as a psychologist, I don't know.
And as we've said a million times,
Dino's just the shits.
He don't get it.
And with the heel team not being a good team,
the match died until, you know,
finally they got into the go home part.
And then Edge, the veteran, the biggest star in the thing,
back elbowed Pipp in the corner and busted his eye open.
I'm like, Jesus Christ
they're all fucking crazy now.
And then
Dino chopped Pip off the
apron of the ring and threw him in the ring,
but Mama Wayne distracted Christian
and Pip knocked Christian off the apron
and they got more heat on edge.
But then Pip went for a superplex on edge
and Luchosaurus
comes under his own partner
and puts him on his shoulders and stands there
while age comes off the top with a clothesline of doomsday device
and the announcers were said,
well,
I wonder if that was on purpose.
So fucking just picked the guy up and stood there and then stocked still
for the other guy to hit him.
And then that wasn't a turn.
I don't know what they're fucking doing here.
Oh, my God, I've got a cramp.
oh i've got cramping my rib so man this whole thing's a rib and i've got a cramp then dino got out and
reached for the tag from pip and got it after he allowed the guy to held him up to be
doomsday devised and then edge finally tagged christian and then christian did some shit and
Edge and Christian double-teamed Luchosaurus
and the fans sang something.
I could not tell what.
And it's still going on.
Now, a bunch of back and forth,
and then Christian boosted PIP up in the air
and Edge speared him one, two, three.
So it just, the good thing,
there was no furniture.
That was a good thing.
And Edge and Christian didn't do anything crazy
to potentially injure them.
themselves, but the interaction between the heels, the heel team not, they're not a good team
if they're trying to be a good team and they're not good enough workers to be a good team
while trying not to be a good team, if that makes any sense.
And they drug it down.
And to be honest, Pip and Nick wouldn't have been any better.
Maybe if they'd have made it shorter and they'd have taken more bumps for Edge and Christian,
but they probably wouldn't.
they'd have probably still made it long
and got a bunch of their shit in
and their small children
but there you have it
you know I'm at the point where I hate
Cope's matches and I hate his promos
but I'm still happy for him when he gets to come out there
and his actual fans on both sides of the building
and he can do his run around and
like feel like he used to
I'm already sick of the people singing the music
maybe I'm a cranky guy
I don't know everyone sings everything
but when they turn the music off
and intentionally give it a long gap
so people can keep singing
and then they film the fans
and their fans
who are like their hands in the air
looking up
like it's Christian rock or something
like they're really into like
yeah like as they're singing it
enough of this
because that's the problem
it's going to be like Judas
they're going to milk this every single week
where a minute of TV time's going to be
taken up by fans singing at us
well in this case
it's better than Jericho singing at us.
I still can't get over the idea that Nick Wayne's
not there and his mom flew across the country.
I thought the whole idea she was there was because her son was hired.
I don't, who knows?
Yeah, you know, he's home laid up with a broken foot.
I mean, she's going to miss, what, three or four
breastfeeding sessions?
All right, well, there's that.
What do you think of, I mean, any other closing thoughts on the reunion
of Edge and Christian? Obviously,
we'll talk about the title situation later.
There's a show coming up in Toronto.
there was ever a spot to have two Toronto guys win a tag titles.
Any other thoughts on these two guys reuniting?
Well, but the thing is, they ain't going to win the tag titles,
because FTR aren't the tag team champions.
Spoiler alert.
And their whole reason for reason de tre, as they say,
is to now fight FTR, right, for stab and edge
in the back.
So Edge
and Christian against FTR
is going to be a better match.
But
the tag,
oh, fucking hell.
We'll get to the tag team title.
Because we got to do the
TNT title first.
Brian,
did you,
did you get a gander
a little glance at
Cal Feltcher against
Takahashi?
I did.
I also saw Kyle Fletcher
at the Fletcher.
I can't even say his name.
I also saw Kyle Fletcher
at the media scrum afterwards, in a suit as well-spoken and behaved
a wrestling ambassador as I've ever seen in one of these media scrums.
I had to remind myself, he's this asshole heel with Don Callis.
Well, but that is part of the problem here is that this guy has incredible genetics,
athleticism, the physique, the size, the look.
He's obviously intelligent.
he's got some charisma he's got so much potential he's he's never going to learn anything here but
the bad habits that he doesn't already know he knows how to do the moves but he's not going to get
any idea of why to do them and how to put matches together and how to book wrestling from this
nonsense he's in the middle of and he's again
too inclined to go into the video game mode
where you're just doing shit rather than
you know, I mean, he's the next generation
Randy Orton, maybe if he doesn't get
brain poisoning here.
But they put him,
yet again, you know, you said he came off great
at the press, whatever the case, whether heal or baby face,
I don't know how long this match went.
I zoned out for a while.
but they put this kid as good as he looks and he's the TNT champion
and the best entrant from the forbidden door they could come up with
what Takahashi is like 5 foot 6 pudgy fat
wearing green tennis shoes and green tights with pink feathers
and pink hair I what the is this a guy that's a star in Japan
you're more versed in that than I am.
Why the fuck would he give,
he's given away a foot
and a significant amount of athletic ability
and he looks ridiculous.
Yep.
This little pink marshmallow and he's powerbombing
Kyle on the floor and he's kicking his shit out of him.
And it,
who is this fucking guy?
He's a long time regular for New Japan Pro Wrestling.
He's been wrestling for a long time.
Their fans seem to like him.
Doesn't do much for me.
Well...
And this was a long squash match, what it should have been.
Yes.
It's a long...
But it wasn't a squash match.
Well, it was.
That's the point.
It was.
Because you knew right away that he wasn't winning the TNT title from Kyle Fletcher.
Oh, I know that.
But a squash match is if Kyle...
had just beat the shit out of him.
Although, no, this little fucking pink Japanese marshmallow
is beating the shit out of Kyle
for a good portion of this thing.
I mean, at least he can move.
He's not like Tanahashi or Ishi
or the other fellows
that are just encased in goddamn plaster
and can't move.
He can move around.
He looked like shit.
And then the finish.
Spoiler alert.
Kyle hits him with two great-looking
fucking kicks
and the guy went down
he didn't even cover him,
he picked him up,
and the guy small packaged him.
The guy just got his brains kicked out twice,
small package, boom,
then he pops up and then Kyle picks him up
and brain busters him one, two, three.
And I don't,
who the fuck comes up with these fucking finishes?
But anyway,
you match your young star with a lump of shit
and it's all he can do to beat him
in 20 minutes. I don't know what more to take.
Not you, Brian.
Not the Royal You. I'm being accused
of anything. There's reasons why the door
was once forbidden.
I guess this match may be
one of those reasons. You know, Jim, before we move on,
yes. Can we just talk
real quick about the matches
that you didn't mention, that you
didn't watch on the pre-show?
I forgot about that.
Again, they're in London.
It's a lot of plane tickets, a lot of hotel rooms.
It's a big show, but,
And they had to be there for several days, right?
Because they did Wednesday there.
And then they did the Saturday or whatever the family.
They were in Scotland.
They actually, they've been traveling too.
Wasn't it like they're just an 11th?
They're just schlepping all over the country over there.
Well, here are the matches that you missed.
An eight-man tag team match.
Oh, good.
The Paragon of Kyle O'Reilly and Roderick Strong versus El Desperado and Yuya Umura.
Am I familiar with him?
Excuse me.
they defeated crew of Action Andredi and Leo Rush
and the Don Callis family of Hatchero and Josh Alexander
with Lance Archer and Rocky Romero at Ringside
12 minutes and 5 seconds
That is easily to from the United States to England
they just spent $15,000 just in plane tickets for that match
The next contest, a trio
match, the Gates of Agony of Bishop Khan and Toa Leona, and Rikoshae defeated JetSpeed, and Michael
Oku with his manager Amira Blair.
They're local, so they don't have to be flown in.
Nine minutes and 55 seconds.
So there's another bunch of people.
The next match on a pre-show, an eight-woman tag team match.
Oh, good Lord!
The Triangle of Madness of Julie.
your heart, sky blue and tecla
and Megan Bain
with Penelope Ford
defeated Harley Cameron
Chris Statlander
Queen Amanata
and Willow Nightingale
11 minutes and 15 seconds
did you hear by the way
Amanada is stuck in the
can't leave the country somebody stole
her bag with her passport in it
now she can't leave for like
three or four more days or something
they said on the internet so it must be true
I did not see that, but, you know, I kind of thought Drew McIntyre might have started a new trend of extending my UK vacation.
But finally, Jim on the pre-show, the ops of Shabbata, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Samoa Joe.
Defeated the Bullet Club War Dogs of Clark Connors, Drilla Maloney, and Robbie X with Gato.
Seven minutes and 20 seconds.
They're like 50 people on the pre-show.
Well, that's, you know, and I was actually, I'm glad you brought that up because I forgot about the pre-show.
Being an afternoon thing anyway, I tuned in at 1 o'clock and I was going to praise them because the show was only four and a half hours long.
I realized now the show was six hours long.
I forgot about the pre-show.
Yeah, you missed also the awkward annual Martha Hart-Hart Tony Khan promo in front of the live crowd.
That's never, never, never seem to the way it's supposed to.
go. Does Martha Hart live in England now?
No. No, but she's representing the Owen Hart Foundation, and this was a...
I mean, I don't think she is. Maybe she is, and I just don't know. I had not...
Why would they fly her? Why would she care to fly all the way from fucking Calgary to
England just to come out and do a promo on a pre-show?
What's a good time to go there before the weather turns?
Well, speaking of turning, let's turn back to the, to the event. Brian, I'll ask you, what
did you think of the big four-way women's contest with Alex Windsor versus Bozilla versus Persephone
versus Mercedes Moon?
Persephone, aka Persephone, and doesn't she just look happy to be there?
She does look a little phony.
The big takeaway was who's Bozilla?
Someone that young, that big?
Why hasn't WWE being all over that?
Get that in the system?
Well, now, don't say, excuse me, I'm saying it at all the way.
Why ain't WWB all over that?
You know, I'll tell you.
No, but she was, I thought she was impressive, but I wasn't really into the match at all.
Well, I'll have you know this is where I found out that I got my little goddamn box
so that I can fast forward to see what I'm missing.
And I fast forwarded about 15 minutes and just decided to stop in and check.
and I saw a triple superplex with a German suplex assist
of all four of them off the fucking top rope,
and I fast forward in another five minutes or so.
That move always comes off naturally, doesn't it?
Of course, and it's easy to set up instantly with that cooperation.
And one of the girls went for a razor's edge on Mercedes
and she turned it into a roll-up one, two, three.
And that was with entrances of all these people
and all their various tomfoolery,
it was probably what,
about 25 minutes or so of time.
Did I miss any of the fine points?
Like I said, Bozilla was the first time I've seen Bozilla.
I've seen the name before.
She seemed impressive.
You know, for a division,
whether it's AW, WWW, they need women
that don't just all look the same.
She stands out.
I would keep an eye on her.
Well, good.
Let her go ahead and stand on out there for a while
and see if anybody notices her.
You know, the next match on the card came as a surprise to me,
because apparently they just told us about this on collision,
which we don't watch.
Or maybe they didn't tell us about it at all.
I don't know.
But is Nigel McGinnis still doing commentary on collision?
I would assume so.
I think so.
Having a great time on Saturday night.
Oh, quit now, for heaven's sake.
I'm yinning.
He, they prescribed him those hormones,
and he speaks much more deeply now.
No, I love you, Nigel, I miss you.
And Nigel's a great guy.
But suddenly on this pay-per-view,
here's the IWGP world title on the line
with Zach Sabre Jr.
Defending against Nigel McGinnis
with Danny Garcia in his corner
because Nigel won a four-way
to win the title shot
and I guess he beat Dan.
or whatever the fuck.
So we've already had a T&T title.
We're going to have the AEW World Title.
There's a unified fucking title going on around here.
Now here's the IWGP World Title.
And again, preaching to the choir.
Can you look at Zach Saber Jr.
As any wrestling fan across the United States of America,
the width and breadth of this fine land,
and tell me that any of them are going to buy this slightly built human Q-tip
as the world champion of something important.
Yes, he does a wonderful job mimicking the moves of the world of sport greats
without any of the fucking grit and fucking look and goddamn grunting and ugliness of the salty old
British motherfuckers that did it,
it just looks silly when a guy like Sabre does it.
And Nigel is very good at it,
but he's had one of the three wrestling matches
in the last 14 fucking years.
And he's primarily an announcer,
but suddenly he wins a match
for a world championship of something
that's allegedly important.
And to train for it,
we see Nigel beating Johnny Saint
in a chess game out in the park.
and I get what they were going for it.
It's nice to see Johnny Saint.
But no, it's like, did,
did Frank Gifford go back to play for the NFL
after he'd been doing the announcing for 10 years or so?
No, no.
And then we get to see Marty Jones and, you know,
confused at ringside.
We got to see the old legends,
just looking befuddled at what is going on here.
But that's,
That's just the thing is that it's,
it's the complete opposite of a garbage furniture match that they usually have.
It's a dry, you had to watch it in the rain because they're,
they're paying tribute again to the,
the British style, but it's,
Nigel has in his day,
in his athletic peak,
and he got a lot of his best years jacked out from under him for one reason or another,
but he get hit hard and fucking,
the snatch shit, but he's not going to fucking go out there at this time.
Or with, I felt like he might hurt Saber.
If he fell on him the wrong way, this little twink is so slightly built.
You know, when he came out there, when he walked to the ring and he's wearing his jacket,
I said, wow, it looks like he's actually put on some size finally.
Good.
And then he took off his jacket.
I realized back to where we started.
But I zoned out for a while because that's, that's the thing.
And this slightly amused face that Sabre has when he's,
He's supposed to be doing reversals of a guy trying to grab him in wrestling holes,
irks me also.
And then he reversed a sunset flip, one, two, three, and about another 20 minutes.
I love the idea of doing athletic, technical-oriented matches amongst guys who are the practitioners of these things,
but you can't do it in the middle of a six-hour show
with a part-time guy and a skinny nobody,
and then they just shake hands and hug.
Okay.
My favorite thing about the match was the post-match
because it looked like they may have been setting up an angle or something,
and instead we got like kind of an awkward,
everyone get out of the ring now, we have an announcement to me.
Can y'all quit hugging and kissing on each other?
We got to, yeah, we got to talk to Tony's there waiting on you,
motherfuckers to leave.
Right, didn't it seem like they were setting something up?
Yes, well, that's what they were.
They were trying to get Tony Shavati in the ring and talk about the big crowd,
and they couldn't get to the fuckers.
But, you know what, honest to God, and again, it's the classic
Eddie Graham used it as the example of a great athletic wrestling match that never
drew money on top was Billy Robinson and Tony Charles, but I would love to see them in their
early 40s on a show like this to just have the people go out of their minds.
And it's like watching to compare with those guys back then and even the Johnny
Saints of the world, they were a little smooth.
I liked the more smash mouth style that some of the salty bastards had.
But it's a difference in watching a big time magician in Vegas and a guy
doing like the local magic show equivalent of dinner theater.
They're doing the same thing, but it just looks so much more real.
Anyhow, then suddenly, Brian, without warning,
as these things usually do when they happen suddenly,
they also happen without warning.
Fekla and Queen Wai Aorta got a fight in the back of the building
and fought into the arena.
But Julia Hart and Blue Sky came out and jumped the queen.
And then Jamie Hater came out and ran all the heels off by herself.
The end.
I get was that they just, they have unfinished business from the pre-show.
They said they've been fighting for quite some time.
It started during that multi-person match or multi-woman match in the pre-show.
And Jamie Hater, we haven't seen her a little while,
not necessarily wearing the same
green to-do that she was wearing last time
but still it seems kind of like a retro
I'm just working hard as a waitress
in like 1972
kind of looking gimmick with the hair and everything else
I don't know what they're doing with Jamie Hader
She's just doing the best she can
Believe it or not
They could bring back
I was about to say Vic Tayback
They can bring back the butcher as their Vic Tayback
And have him manage her
just a hardworking woman
bring
bring take back back
bring back tayback
bring back tayback
yes
and then right back
I'll try to make it all about him
all right
so anyway the tag team title
was on the line folks
in a three way
tag team match
and a shocking conclusion
that nobody ever could have predicted
FTR
versus the Hurt Syndicate
versus Bandito and Burger King.
I'm sorry, Brody King.
I misread my nose.
Well, same thing.
And there was no MVP
with Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin.
The announcers,
I was waiting for a while
that I zoned out,
but they never mentioned his name.
They did immediately at the top of the contest,
and reiterated at least a time or two during the match,
well, now the match can end without the champions even being involved.
Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
You know, winks as good as a nod to a blind man, Brian.
They don't have to be involved.
They don't have to be in the room.
Exactly.
They got as far away from the system.
Yes, they get as far away from the scene of the fucking...
But so,
again we're wondering why that if envy and somebody said well MVP was never supposed to be there why why we'd like to know and if everything was cordial and they come up with an excuse for every everything else when they said oh MVP missed his flight his flight was hijacked and flown to Cuba of what is something something something something something
we need to keep an eye on this thing here.
And even if it's nothing, it looks stupid.
They didn't say anything.
Because he's part of the fucking deal.
MVP missed his flight, anything.
Just say something.
You can't just pretend he was never there to begin with.
So then they ring the bell
and it's immediate six way with the other four teaming up
on Lashley and Benjamin all on the floor
and the camera's missing shit.
And they do that for a couple of minutes.
and then they just all get up on the ring and start a regular match
with only two guys in the ring and all the other guys on the apron
and taking tags.
After the announcers and say, well, there's no tags involved in this.
They don't know what the fuck they're doing.
It's driving me crazy.
So then Shelton and Bobby beat up everybody
and the fans are, Chan, we hurt people, we hurt people.
They've got stars here,
and they haven't been able to figure out anything
for them to do to it anyway make a goddamn contribution to the fucking gate.
And then they got heat on Bandito, but FTR wouldn't tag Bandito.
They dropped down and refused his tag because their heels too trying to get,
you know, back in the old days, Brian, in the four-team elimination matches they used to have,
if you refused a tag, it was an automatic disqualification.
That's how you could get the fucking combinations you needed to get in.
They had no choice, but nevertheless,
finally, Bandito tagged Burger King,
and there was a big pop,
and Shelton tagged Dax,
and King made a big comeback on FTR.
And then there was a face-off with Lashley and King,
and the people roared,
and they traded forearms and a couple of tackles,
and Lashley spined bustered him,
and he popped up and leveled Lashley.
And then Seltin came in a suplex to everybody
and gave Brody three Germans.
And then somehow Brody King and Cash gave Shelton the Shatter machine
inadvertently together.
And then, oh, and,
Bandito picked up Dax and back flipped him off the top rope onto everybody.
But it looked like he basically, they hit the floor.
He just flipping Power Slam Dax off the top rope to the floor.
I hope they think this shit's worth it.
But then suddenly three guys in New Japan wrestling hoodies jump the Hurt
business, a hurt syndicate, and they fight off out into the,
fucking hinterlands.
And the match
keeps going on.
And then we find out that the
hoodie guys are
ricochet and his two stooges,
whatever their fucking names are.
Well, but in the meantime,
Dax, it just knocks
Brody King over the head
with a chair against a two count.
And then they keep going
and they try to do
this fancy finish. And by the way,
the herd business,
Hurd Seneca,
can I keep doing that?
They fight off with the hoodie guys,
and the hoodie guys are back out there.
The herd's just left.
You never see them again.
As you mentioned, they weren't even there.
So Bandito foils FTR
when they're going for their superplex splash,
and Bandito splashed Dax off the top rope.
And right there,
he could have covered
but he didn't.
He gets up and runs to the far turnbuckle,
and Brody King squirms into place on his ass,
so he can get in the right place,
and Bandito runs,
and Brody monkey flips Bandito into a 450-degree splash
onto Dax that he kind of missed,
but he landed there and he had the leg,
and the referee goes down to count one,
two and Bandito let go
the leg
and started to roll off
and then grabbed him again,
got back on him
and the referee counted
one, two, three again.
And the other wrestlers were like diving
they didn't know what to do.
They're like mid dive
as all this like fell apart at the end.
So it was a horrible finish.
The hurt business,
hurt syndicate
are the only stars in this thing
and they just
they can,
the Bandito and Brody
King couldn't take the simple win that they actually executed.
They had to fucking do that and fuck it up at the last minute.
And as you said earlier,
it'd be great to have Edge and Christian against FTR for the title,
but instead we got it on Frick and Frack here, the odd couple.
And so the guys that are going to face Edge and Christian next on a big show just got beat.
by people not
Edge and Christian
Your thoughts
Tag title change
Hurt Syndicate
Not even in the room when it happens
That says a lot
The rumors were that they didn't want to put over FTR
For whatever reason
We'll see what we can find out about that
The only thing I'll say that
Could in any way justify getting the belts off them
Was that it's clear that
AEW is going to have a big problem with baby faces right now
baby faces who can work on top who are over
who aren't going down with injuries
I don't know if Tony's going to pivot
and all of a sudden push Lashley or Shelton
like that
but if there was ever a time to it maybe now
where Ospreys hurts, swerve may be hurt,
Omega can barely work.
Then why not take advantage
to the fact people already chanting for them
and just turn them baby face while they're the champions?
I think they kind of did maybe in their own way.
I'm not even sure.
No, they just, I think they worked out something that Bobby and Shelton weren't insulted by
where they could just not even be around when everything happened.
Well, there it is, new tag team champions, Brodito.
See, they needed MJF after all.
MJF could have stopped all this.
You know what?
That falling apart ended up costing them, but you know what else may have costed a herd syndicate here?
What's that?
You know, travel, jet,
leg, I don't know what kind of hotel Tony's putting the wrestlers that he's mad at in.
A good night's sleep is always important for the average day, let alone an athletic endeavor,
and maybe because the Hurt Syndicate didn't have their mattresses from Helix sleep,
let alone their manager, maybe that's why, well, they really didn't do anything wrong.
They got a tackle off the building.
They didn't get pinned or anything.
They actually, they just wanted a good night's sleep and...
They just wanted to go to bed.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, come on, you know what I'm talking about.
No, we don't.
But I'll tell you this, ladies and gentlemen,
they would have had an easy time whipping those guys
before the other guys came out,
the guys in the hoodies that they fought off with.
They would have already won the match
if they'd had a good night's sleep.
But you know how it is.
When you're going to a foreign country,
there's the time difference,
you're zoned out in the international zone,
and you got the jet lag and the big swollen cancels.
And you can't sleep on those, even in first class these days,
those cattle cars of the air that they call commercial airlines,
you can't crack back, crack, crack back or crank back all the way flat
and being sleeping like you're sleeping in the arms of the angels.
Instead, you're in a lumpy recliner type apparatus with no leg room,
and you're all cramped up.
That's why that the Hurt Syndicate
or anybody else that takes those flights,
they can't walk straight for months.
But if you can't walk straight,
it's your own fault because you're not sleeping on a good mattress
or flying overseas.
And across the intercontinental time zones,
you just need to call Helix or write to Helix.
Actually, go to Helix on the internet.
Helixleep.com.
That's where you're going to go because no more.
Are you going to go without a good night's sleep?
Brian, you know,
If you got night sweats, you got back pain, you got the jimmy legs,
you like to sleep on a firm mattress because of your aches and pains or a soft one because of your aches and pains,
they can help you out with whatever you need, ladies and gentlemen.
They can give it to you hard or they can give it to you soft.
They can give it to you short or they can give you a real big one.
they can give you one that just bounces you around
or they can give you one that just let you lay there.
They can give it to you any way you wanted, Felix.
They can get you a great mat.
Again, before this goes too far, wherever you tend to go,
a great mattress for you, your family.
It comes in the whole experience, opening it up,
watching it unfurled before your very eyes,
and then sleeping on the unfurled mattress
to your own personal great delight.
A good night's sleep.
That's right. Comfort.
When you sleep?
when you take the cover off, it just starts getting bigger and bigger.
Don't have the kids in the room, folks.
Well, no, I wouldn't say that.
You can have the kids there.
Everyone keep a safe distance.
Once again, a great night's sleep.
Let's focus on that.
Yes.
Well, and I'll tell you what right now, again, with the nights.
You know, I had the night sweats, Brian, and the tossing and turning and the nightmares
and the waking up and seeing the paint clawed off the walls next to the bed
and the paint under my fingernails.
And people told me I should get medical advice,
but instead I just got a brand new Helix mattress
and put up wallpaper.
And now it's much better.
And folks, right now you can save a lot of money
because you know what's coming up, Labor Day.
That's the day when nobody works.
And for the Labor Day sale, best of the web offer,
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and they're also, they're going to start selling wallpaper, I heard.
Well, they're not, right here at the end.
There's no reason for superfluous nonsense here.
Well, I'm just saying you can look for that in the future that if you've clod all
the paint off.
Look forward to a good night's sleep in your future.
In the meantime, Christmas paper, Christmas paper can serve sometimes in that capacity.
I don't know what exactly is happening here.
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Jim, one last time.
There's no seepage.
No seepage.
With that professionalism you're known for one last time,
what is that promo code?
Well, I'm going to get my receipt.
That's helixleep.com slash JCE.
That's right.
And why don't we slash our way back to London?
Like Jack the Ripper would have.
Well, that's a bad transition.
But let's go back to London.
for AEW forbidden door.
Well, you know, Jack the Ripper
would have been an amateur compared to the
type of carnage that these AEW wrestlers
wreak on people.
The big title, one of the big titles
was up next, Brian, the unified title.
It was unified between
what was it, the continental title
and the champion title.
I can't fucking remember.
But this is, has there been a match not for a title yet?
Hold on besides the pre-show.
The first match was Edge and Christian's reunion.
They ain't got no belts.
But then the girls, the TNT title was on the line.
Oh, Kyle, the IWGP World title, was the four-way girls title.
There was a girl's title in that, wasn't there?
TBS, yeah.
Yes, yes.
And then the tag title.
title and then the unified title swerve versus oblada and the thing that i wrote right as they were
ringing the bell i wrote will this guy work for 18,000 people or still lay on his ass and boy howdy
he's still on his ass he just can't do it can he swerve was trying swerve was working hard
the fans like him.
He had nothing to work with here.
It's just...
Stacey came in.
And, Brad, do you remember who that I said
that I compared...
This was months ago when Okada first showed up?
Do you remember who I compared his work to
and you scoffed at me?
Oh, geez. I do not, no.
You remember me saying it,
you remember scoffing, but you don't remember who it was,
I bet, don't you?
I remember you're saying we think of Japanese Elon Musk.
I don't remember a wrestling.
Well, no, that was a different time.
I said physique-wise at his work, he reminds me of David Flair.
Oh, you did say that, yeah.
Well, and Stacey came in.
This was a year ago, I said that, right?
Stacey walks in, sits down, watches this two left-foot motherfucker for about 30 seconds
and said, he reminds me of David Flair, except David was trying.
He was trying to work hard.
So it's fascinating in a way
watching this guy try not to do anything more
that is absolutely necessary and barely that.
But it's just, it's slow, it's boring, his shit is phony for the most part.
He gave Swerve a DDT on the stairs, but when Swerve went over,
he kicked the camera guy.
Does that mean they're going to get another lawsuit?
The fucking cameraman,
a dangerous position around there.
I zoned out for a while.
It seemed like it went forever.
There was some choreography,
and at one point,
swerve climbed up to the top rope
to help Okada drop his own knee
on the top turn buckle.
And finally,
Okada closed line swerve and beat him
one, two, three, clean, fair,
right in middle of the ring.
And then he went crazy
and put his knee between the stairs and the ring
and hammered it with a chair.
And goddamn, here came Nana running out
because he couldn't be at ringside
because that's not allowed in this particular kind of match.
And he ran out with a lead pipe.
But now before we go any further,
because it does go further,
people are going to say, well, Swerve is really hurt,
which he is.
and he's going to have time off, which he is.
So why shouldn't Okada beat him clean?
Because he's a fucking heel.
What good does it do?
Then Okada, besides the fact that he's unimpressive and looks like shit,
but the unimpressive guy that looks like shit just beat one of your top baby faces
without even cheating.
And swerve's going to come back eventually.
So what the fuck?
How does it help Okada to get any heat?
Well, he just beat him.
Then he takes him out there and breaks his fucking leg.
For no reason.
And then as Nana has run off the perpetrator with the lead pipe,
here comes Wardlow.
And Wardlow comes out from the crowd and gets at a ring and levels Nana.
And beats up not a Wardlow has just returned.
after a year and a half or whatever,
and he looks like he ate.
Goddamn, the city of London.
He's bursting the seams on every piece of his clothing.
But he beats up Nana.
And since Swerve only has one leg, he has to lay there and watch.
While Wardlow beats up Nana and that beats up security
and hugs Don Fowless, who he joined the Fowless family.
What the fuck was this?
people have been worn Wardlow back for all this time
but they debut a monster,
whether a monster baby face or a monster heel
by beating up a manager
after another heel has already done the damage to the top fucking star.
What sense does this make?
Brian, help me.
Oh, it doesn't.
Also, when you're down on baby faces
and you have someone who's one of your biggest baby faces
for a time return,
and they just become another guy in the callus family,
which is just a ramshackle group of people.
Just random heels put together,
half of them don't do anything.
Lance Archer is like a valet at this point.
So, yeah, it's questionable.
And again, Swerve lost the match,
and then for reasons we don't understand,
he was attacked brutally.
And then they did this angle there.
Well, it took to cover up.
he's going to go have his knee worked on or whatever.
But they could have concocted.
Yes, but they concocted no logical reason why that happened
after he'd already beat the fucking guy.
And now we have Heel Wardlow with Takesha, Kyle Fletcher, Lance Archer,
Rocky Romero, Trent.
Who else is in this fucking group?
Did you see when Take a shit came out and stared at Wardlow?
And you know around here when people stare at other people,
people. That means something.
So what does that mean? They're going to turn
Takeshta baby face? I don't
fucking know. And who wants
to see Takeshta versus Wardlow?
Nobody.
Welcome back Wardlow.
I thought it was just me.
He looked a lot bigger. You said
kind of what I was thinking. No, and I don't
mean bigger as in he's been doing nothing but
training and eating tuna. I mean
bigger as in he's on the gas
and the carbs.
He's thicker
everywhere,
unhealthy looking thick.
And I see, that's the problem I think, too,
when he started taking off his jacket and everything
and doing the beat down, I didn't think the beat down looked good.
Well, no, he could hardly get the jacket off to begin with.
His arms are so big, and then he's, he's,
somebody shoved an air hose up his ass and just blown him up like a parade float.
Anyway, speaking of parade floats,
the next match was a girl's match.
I don't know really why that.
It just seemed good at the time that transition.
Tony Storm wrestled Athena, Brian, and, you know,
remember I said that I could fast forward and I'd see a little box where I could skip
all the shit that I wanted to skip.
This was one of the shits that I wanted to skip.
Did I miss anything till I get to the finish?
Probably not.
It went a little while, and apparently there are people who really like Athena,
but I guess I just don't see what other people see in her.
Well, that's because you can't look down deep, Brian,
and see a person's true value.
Or you just don't give a shit.
One of those things.
Well, Billy Starks was going to hit Tony Storm with a chair,
but Mina stopped her and they ran off.
And then Tony Storm got a choke and Athena tapped out.
Now Tony Storm was a goddamn,
member of the Gracie family.
But now, Brian, I'll have you know it was time for another world title match.
This one for the actual world title of the company that's promoting the pay-per-view, which was refreshing.
The AEW world title, MJF versus Hangnail Adam Page.
And unfortunately, MJF, the challenge.
during this when he comes out,
he was introduced as the
CMLL world champion.
They just had the NJPW
World Champion, and they just
had the unified champion,
and they just had the TNT
champion, and now
another world champion is going for
another world champion's world championship.
So anyhow,
do they desperately need
a legitimately
they need their world champion to be the top star in the company.
And right now it's not.
And even with Moxley it wasn't.
And I'm hard pressed to figure out who the top star is in the company anymore.
That I would have said Osprey needs to be the champion.
But now since he's goddamn going to have surgery and be out for who knows how long
or to what extent.
Maybe it's good they didn't,
but how long has it been since
the world champion in this company was also
the top guy on the roster?
A while.
I can't remember.
Did Punk hold this belt at one point
or did he ever get there?
Yeah, no, I think he held it a couple times, didn't you?
That would be the last time then.
That both the world champion
has been the top star in the company.
MJF is good
He needs something to work with
You've always got to do some of the other guy's shit
And Paige does the same shit all the time
MJF, his aura has been diminished
His booking has been rotten
He doesn't have the heat he used to have
But he can still think to put some things together
That make a little half-ass sense
But he always has to work
work with another one of these children.
And this was
back and forth. I can't go blow by blow on this because it got
ridiculous. But amongst my observations,
Paige doesn't fight from underneath well.
A baby face that can fight and sell and
be an underdog and get sympathy, that's not,
either he fights from underneath and the shit's weak
or he does too much and kills the fucking heat.
before the comeback at his timing is off
where he's either too quick or too slow.
MJF has the facials,
he shows personality as the body language.
Page is always scowling boo-boo face
and he does the same shit.
He's got,
he had to do the thing where he
knocks MJF out on the floor,
takes forever to climb to the top rope,
doesn't even look backwards,
backflips and MJF has to stand there like an idiot and catch him.
MJF's hammerlock DDT should be a finish
because it looks better than most anything anybody does there.
I don't even know if he's ever gotten a fucking win on TV with it.
At one point, Paige Tombstone's MJF on the floor
doesn't even try to win he takes time to position the table
and pick MJF and dead eye MJF off the apron through the table,
then roll him in the ring, cover one, two,
and MGF gets his foot on the ropes.
Now it's ridiculous.
And, you know, I know MJF knows he's going to get his money from this guy either way,
the billionaire, but I'd rather not sit out a year and a half or two
with a broken neck because of this idiot wants to do this,
goddamn hardcore bullshit.
Certainly, I would not think that it was MJF's idea,
hey, give me a dead eye through the fucking table.
Jesus Christ.
And then they continue the match because that couldn't hurt anybody.
Page then gets very little color from two different places
from being run into the post or whatever.
And then MJF,
tombstoneed him on the broken table.
Or did they, did they break a table on the floor?
Yeah, no, they, they were, they broken when he did the tombstone.
Yeah, they broke it with the dead eye.
Then they left the broken one sitting there so they could use it again.
They didn't get another table.
And then, so that doesn't get the tombstone on the broken table by MJF,
page gets back in the ring by the count of 10.
So MJF pulls the buckle pad off and gets run head first into it.
five seconds later and gets a lot of juice.
And the fans chant, you deserve it.
But again, it just got run into the fucking,
nothing can beat anyone.
And then they tried to do a tombstone reversal
that another match had already done earlier in a night,
but Paige dropped him anyway.
They did a spot actually that got the fans
and it was a good wrestling spot,
the multiple cradles.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
multiple cradles over and over,
one count, one count, one count, one count,
then the double bridge, then the dead eye,
in the ring, two count.
That got the people.
That's wrestling.
But you can't be doing that after you,
you dead eyeed a motherfucker through a fucking table
to the floor.
And then suddenly you're doing goddamn
Les Thornton reversals.
And then MJF pulled the diamond ring out
and set it on the mat and wanted Paige to hit him with it, to get disqualified,
because he threatened to set Mark Briscoe on fire last week, Brian, as you'll recall,
Paige agreed that the bell could change hands on disqualification.
You remember that.
Right.
He saved the life of Mark Briscoe.
And he also agreed to MGF said he doesn't have to execute his contract.
he still got the contract and all that stuff, but blah, blah, blah.
Correct.
So now he wants Paige to get disqualified.
So Paige won't pick up the ring and hit him with it.
So he spit on Page.
And Paige wants to hit him.
And finally he just spit back on MJF.
So then MJF pushed Paige into the referee
and then kicked him into balls, gave him the heat seeker,
covered him one, two.
Page gets his foot on the ropes,
referee counts three, but the referee is still down and he didn't see the foot on the ropes.
Okay, we've got a disputed decision here. What's going to happen? Mark Briscoe's music plays.
Mark Briscoe starts coming down the aisle. But security stops him. He doesn't come to the ring
to fucking tell the referee what happened to restart it. He gets stopped by
security punches a couple of them and they drag him out.
Now we go back to the ring where MJF has just been staring at what Briscoe's doing.
Page's foot is still on the rope.
He's never,
MJF goes to move it and the referee sees it before he can't.
Now it's been a minute and a half.
Can I tell you that referee's been pissing me off?
His stuff with MJF is over the top.
The fact that he dove in.
bad.
You know, I see the leg now two minutes after it happened.
That's ridiculous.
It were expected to believe Paige was unconscious and immobile for a minute and a half
with his leg on a rope.
Or if he was awake, then why would he go to, hey, referee, let me hear him a foot's on a row.
God damn it.
It would make sense if Briscoe had come out and stooge it off.
But they'd drop that ball.
So then the referee shoves.
MJF into Page's clothesline.
Page goes for a buckshot,
MJF ducks it, and
mule kicks Paige into balls and schoolboys.
He gets a two count.
I'm like, what the fuck go home?
His head isn't vulnerable, his balls aren't vulnerable.
Nothing will beat anybody.
And then MJF slid the belt in.
The referee picked it up and immediately
turned his back to hand it out.
and MJF hits page with the contract in the metal case.
Cover, two count.
Jesus, 30 minutes into this thing.
MJF pulls out the ring and swings and the referee catches it.
But he doesn't disqualify MJF.
He just catches the fist.
And then when he gets the ring away,
MJF turns around and Page hits MJF with the contract,
which the case breaks.
There's pages everywhere.
Then he hits a dead eye and a buckshot.
One, two, three, and the referees amidst the wreckage of the...
Oh, God.
It just, it was better than most Adam Page matches,
but, geez, nothing can beat anybody.
Page is just bland as fuck.
and they're finished
that they're too long and too busy
are their finishes.
That's basically
my presumption of this.
31 minutes, 40 seconds.
Jesus Christ.
We'll maybe talk a little bit later.
Tony had some comments about this contract
and the future of people turning in a contract
to get a title match during the media scrum.
But we'll see what happens next.
Obviously, this unfinished business
with MJF and the Hurt Syndicate.
Obviously, Adam...
Is there?
Are they just going to forget about it?
Who knows?
And obviously Adam Page is indestructible,
although incredibly boring at the same time.
And that's that.
Well, are you ready for the main event, Brian?
How could you not...
The main event of the evening?
Lights out.
Lights out, and boy, I wish I'd have had to watch it in the dark.
The 10-man cage match extravagance.
with Darby Allen,
Tanahashi, Kenny,
Idushi, and Osprey
against the Hardley Boys,
Dick the Boozer, Claudio, and
Gabe Kidd
with Wheeler useless and
Marina Schaefer in the corner.
And
we already know that Osprey
is, this is last match for
however long, because he's going to have
to have the neck surgery.
And so he entered last for the baby faces with the career video and the hoop lot,
his girlfriend voiced over the video.
And he's a hometown guy, a home country guy.
He got a huge reaction.
And from that kind of crowd, the Osprey, Osprey on the entrance was impressive.
They could have had a year of this guy as their champion.
but they bungled it from the start.
He came in as a heel and a heel group and then he just asked out and they let him.
And then all this just nonsense that he's been involved in.
And now they've lost his services.
And of course, being that this is a match where the indie guys can't get out of their own way,
they're already, they're in a giant cage that surrounds all of ringside as well.
but they've got ladders and tables set up around ringside inside the cage already set up
marks it's a theme here this week with wrestling they're all marks
none of them are smart to the goddamn essence of the principle of the business they're just
marks want to do fun shit till they need spinal surgery
and they did a comedy entrance
at a cage match
a lights out cage match
they do comedy
with the buccaroos
not having their
their music
and then they played it
some song
that was supposed to be
their first ever music
the announcer said
like anybody would know
what fucking music
these two gibronies
used 20 years ago
on outlaw shows
what was that even
what was that music
you even remember
I'm not sure, no.
There are flashes in the pan that got hot for an internet audience,
and they've now presumed that their household names,
and their pan flashed out a while back.
And then they just start,
then a crazy match inside the cage.
They're on the floor, they're trading chops,
that Moxley's got a Kendo stick.
Osprey does a dive, Darby does a dive,
it's the greatest hits of all the stuff that they do.
The Hardley boys and Kenny and his buddy did their cheerleading.
And for some reason, three minutes in,
they did a spot where Darby and Moxley were handcuffed each other,
but Claudio broke the handcuffs.
And then it was never a factor again.
you've got heels outsmarting the baby faces,
especially Kenny and Idushy.
When they would try fancy shit, they'd get outsmarted.
So that's psychologically ridiculous.
And then Nikki, one of the buckaroos,
goes to dump out a sack of thumbtacks,
but they were gummy bears.
Then Nick acted like he was scared to take a buckler,
bump in.
And Tony
Chivani's over there.
Oh, this is wonderful.
Shut the fuck up, Tony.
It's not my fault.
You needed the money
to have to do this fucking drek.
You're older than I am.
You had a
fucking background.
Just admit it's shit.
It's embarrassing.
The heels
hit people with the ladder and busted
the side of Darby's head open
or Tori's, I think they tore his
ear ring out that he's stupid to wear into the goddamn matches. Because when they powerbonded him
into the ladder and he sprung back off of it, he grabbed his ear real quick. It wasn't like a
blow that would bust you open like a temple bone. It was like something got caught and ripped out
of his ear. So that way later on, Moxley could stick his fork in it. Jesus Christ.
Osprey was trying to sell like a wrestler in the middle of this garbage at one point.
And he'd get it going, but then they'd stop him and it'd be shits again.
Nick bungled up a jump off the top rope, the Hardy Boys or Hardly Boys or Buckaroos or whatever.
Beat up Ibushi.
Tanahashi just disappeared, which was a blessing.
because the poor thing is the crippled, he can't walk.
Then they beat up Darby and duct taped him to a chair.
And that's when Moxley gouged his bloody ear with a fork.
I wrote in parentheses,
I despised this garbage person talking about Moxley.
And then Claudio slammed Darby while he was taped to the chair.
And then they pulled out a barbed wire covered table.
But meanwhile, some of the stooges outside the cage had built a two-story four-table double stack.
Moxley bladed for the barbed wire.
I wrote, this is so fake, stupid, and dangerous, why I get hurt for this trash.
Moxley fell into the wire table.
People dove.
Then everybody stood around lost.
It wouldn't end.
Oh, that's what Osprey climbed up to the top of the cage and back.
flipped off on to everybody.
He's having
surgery already anyway, so what the fuck?
And then
Kenny and kids started trading fake
forearms so Kenny could make his
faces. And a bunch of people
did shit over and over.
And then
let me see if I can describe this.
Moxley climbs out of the cage
with the help of Wheeler,
but Darby goes up
and climbs up and catches Wheeler, and Wheeler takes the bump onto the announced desk off the
side of the cage. But then Darby got out of the cage. He went, he climbed all the way out and went
back to the, down to the floor and beat Moxley with a Kendo stick and laid Moxley on the first level of
the tables, but went to the top of the cage so he could jump off, but Gabe Kidd nutted him,
and Moxley moved
and Kid and Darby just jumped off together
to go through all four tables
and Gabe Kid should be injured
from the way it looked like he fell
that wasn't the end
then there was more choreography
at a hundred miles an hour
and then Kenny and Osprey hit
Maddie with a good
good looking double team.
And like that, that could have been it.
But then time stood still while Tanahashi drug his crippled ass to the top rope
and took forever to balance and stood up tentatively.
And halfway splashed and halfway just fell forward and splashed him one, two, three.
They gave Tanahashi the way.
They can't even get their.
own goddamn talent over on some of their biggest shows
because they have to insert these crippled motherfuckers.
It was like you ever see footage of old man, Mill Moschorus,
doing his high crust body, and it just like he falls off the rope.
And he's about half his age.
So, the baby faces one.
Then everybody leaves Osprey in the ring to get his ovation.
Fans seem happy.
Fans are happy to give Osprey his moment, knowing he'll be gone
for a while. They're singing for him. They're playing the music. And then I'm, wait, what?
I wrote seriously more heat. I heard some of the cable systems. They milked it long enough.
Some of them went off the air. I don't know what percentage, but some went off the air before
they got to this. But the heels got on Osprey and locked him inside the cage. Now the rest of
baby faces are out of the cage they've locked him inside the cage and they beat the shit out of him
with the repeated DDTs and marina shaffer climbs the cage to get in as she's in all the baby
faces are standing out there plus joe and hobbs and shapoopee and moxley puts the chair around
osprey's neck and stomps it everybody a minute ago even the girls were climbing the cage willy-nilly
now nobody can climb the cage.
They're screaming, raise the cage, raise the cage.
We just literally saw four or five people climb up and over and out of the cage.
Why can't they go the other way?
Why can't it just be raised?
Well, when it finally was.
Was Oly Anderson controlling the remote control for the cage?
No, the black scorpion.
Who had it?
But when they did raise the cage, the heels just scurried away and the baby faces didn't do any of this.
Sort of maybe they all trained at Knox Pro Wrestling
because they didn't do shit to help their friend.
Because now Osprey's going to be out,
swerve's going to be out.
Other people are out.
Maybe MVP's out.
Maybe the hurt business is out.
Maybe they're out of business.
Maybe they got disgusted and just said,
fuck it, we're leaving.
Even if Osprey's hurting going to be out for a while,
this seemed like a bad way to end the show for the people there.
It took the heart out of the room, it seemed like.
Yes, you can't blame the heels.
He's already told people he's going to have neck surgery.
He said, I'm going under the scalpel after this,
and I don't know if I'll be the same, but I'm going to leave it all in the ring.
So he should have goddamn got the pen.
He got his hand raised in front of his home audience.
and got the thank you.
That's what they came to do.
You don't need to have somebody attack the guy
and drop him on his head 15 times
when they've already said he's got a hurt neck.
How much more hurt does it have to be?
Everything doesn't, that's...
Tony, because of Tony's condition,
whatever that may be,
whenever they have the ability to scan,
brains and find out exactly what causes things.
Tony thinks there has to be some storyline reason
for shit, even when people already know the real story.
And the only reason there was ever a storyline reason to cover for injuries
is if people didn't know the real goddamn story.
Oh, shit, I got to have surgery.
it's just popped up, let's do an angle, give me a pile driver.
Not, oh God, I've got to have surgery.
I'm telling the world, I'm going to have surgery,
and then the heel comes out and gives me a pile driver.
The foot side.
I've got a cramp again.
Well, Jim, that was AEW.
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They'll be returning to Wembley Stadium next year
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But Jim, perhaps you.
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promos that are good and feel natural, guys who can work without going to a yay
boo spot at the end of their match, I'm so sick of that.
Perhaps you just want to sue.
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But Jim, before we wrap things up and get out of here, we have a few little bits of audio.
We'll be back to the normal drive-thru next week with guest to program questions, music, and so much more.
Yeah, as long as there's no attempted murders making the news or things like that are crazy
situations that we have to weigh in on.
We'd rather be talking about the fun stuff instead of the outlaw mud show bullshit.
yet, but here we were this weekend.
I hit the wrong note, and I guess maybe that's kind of fitting.
Par for the course.
Jim, we have a little bit of audio, not too much, but a little bit.
We're going to start with some Tony Khan audio.
We'll end with some audio about Tony Khan.
But to follow up on something you mentioned during the review of the MJF Adam Page match,
MJF won a contract.
What was it, the casino gauntlet?
Yes.
Was that what it was, the casino gauntlet?
Yes, I think it, isn't it?
Well, I guess that's it, but it's their version of the money in the bank where you can cash the contract in, you know, for a guaranteed title shot.
That's right.
I guess that's the best way to say it.
Their version of money in the bank.
Here's Tony Kahn talking to the wrestling media or whoever's in that room about their money in the bank.
It's so great to see all of you.
And before I start answering your questions, I have some questions for all of you.
It's okay, if you would indulge me.
and I want your honest feedback because I really care about talking.
I care about talking to people who love wrestling.
I care about talking to the fans and I understand you're working media.
You're not necessarily here as fans.
But if you would lend me your honest opinions, I don't want you to BS me.
I want to hear what you really think.
I want fan feedback.
Oh, boy.
Do you think for a company that takes pride and it's champions that takes pride in the sport of pro wrestling,
I really care about the integrity of the promotion and the championship,
Do you think that the way MJF has conducted himself in recent weeks
trying to verbally execute and then renege on an execute?
I don't think that's personally.
I don't think that's how a championship challenger or somebody who.
He's asking a question of the assembled media there.
He has a question for them, but he wants them to think of it as fans,
even though they hear his media.
He doesn't care if they hurt his feelings.
He wants to know their real opinions.
And then he goes into goddamn storyline.
I like when he stopped himself on the way to say,
I care about talking.
He just said, I care about talking.
And I think that was really happy.
All right, all right.
Keep going to go.
Tony Cohen.
Who has been, potentially could be a great champion,
should conduct himself.
I don't think that's in the spirit of the contract executions.
How do you feel?
Do you agree with that?
Let's strip them of it.
Oh.
Sorry.
What in the world?
What do you think?
Trying to contribute.
That's Renee.
She's now like the sidekick during the scrums,
I guess, to kind of get to,
to behave her as best as possible.
Kind of like her trap around her husband.
Interpret into English, possibly.
Maybe, but she's there to supervise things,
and she chimes in every now and then.
Do you think, does I just, is it,
I don't think that's in the spirit of the sport.
I would be interested to hear feedback.
Is there anybody that, yes, what do you think?
Well, let's stop it there for a second.
Jim, what are your thoughts on a wrestling promoter
asking for feedback about one of his gimmicks
that he has booked from the assembly media.
It doesn't make any sense because he said,
now I want to know, don't BS me,
I want to know your real opinion like it would be treading on hurting his feelings.
How do you think MJF's been conducting himself?
Well, what difference if they say,
now he's been a complete prick,
I think you ought to take the whole thing away from him.
How is that?
Why would you need to soft soap that to the promoter?
I don't understand what he's doing.
Well, maybe he'll clarify for it.
you. Hold on. Here's whoever he
solicited a question from or an answer from.
Yeah.
Yeah. Well,
here's what I think. I think
that I want AEW to be different.
And I've been listening to the feedback and the voice
of the fans. And I think people want the championships and the
sport of pro wrestling to have integrity. We're having the best year in the
history of AEW. And I think a lot of it is that we're willing
to listen to the fans, that we care about the sport, and we want the fans
to believe in what we're doing.
I think it's really important that when we have a contract execution
and the integrity of the championship,
that we can maintain the dignity of the sport.
I also think it's very, very important to...
You know, it's almost like he wants to be a K-Fabe Sam Mushnick or something.
Like, I'm here to protect the business.
But then he goes back into K-Faib.
The integrity and the credibility of the professional...
Was that...
Where was that when the other night the guy poured gasoline?
over the guy's head and threat to set him on fire.
Where was that when they did the flame thrower angle or the blood drinking angle?
He's talking about the execution of a contract that they win in a fucking battle royal
having more of an effect on the integrity and the credibility and the forthrightness of pro wrestling
than he this outlaw bullshit that Moxley's been doing as his world champion for the past six months.
That night, that was the night of the ear stabbing.
Just what I do what is?
Well, a little bit more on this.
I'm telling you some machine needs to scan the brain.
Let's go back to the brain scanner.
Promote championship matches.
I don't want to have a big ticket championship match that we are unable to advertise.
And also I don't really want to necessarily utilize a stipulation here that's being utilized other places.
I'm not trying to duplicate what other people is doing.
I really believe we are our own promotion.
That's why going forward, I want to set the tone that from now on,
I think the right thing to do is all contract execution should be on at least a week's notice
so we can properly promote the matches so that we can properly give the fans notice.
He's worried now about properly promoting the matches.
And have the integrity of a championship match.
And I think it's for the best for us.
I think it's for the best for our media partners
and for the integrity of the championship.
If that makes sense.
Wow.
I love a plan.
Great.
Thank you.
I love a plan.
I love a schedule.
I think it makes a lot of sense.
Thank you.
And going forward, that's what we're going to do.
And I really appreciate your giving me that opportunity
to kind of take your temperature on it.
I think it's the right thing to do.
Take your temperature on it.
Nobody said a goddamn peep.
They didn't say boo to a goose, as Adrian Street would say.
The only person that said anything was his Ed McMahon,
which is...
You're correct, sir.
Yes, sir.
You're so great, Tony.
Well, what are your thoughts?
To try to get some of this to get somewhere.
Basically, nobody can cash in now
in a moment's notice when the champion is down.
You've got to give him a week's advance notice,
which kind of kills the whole idea
of having a title shot anytime he won it.
That's the, you know, the fucking hook on the whole thing.
But does it matter?
Does any of this matter?
in AW, it's all gibberish.
What title?
Everybody's got one.
Some people got several.
With Dustin Rhodes had surgery, they had to have four different tournaments.
Well, what do you think about the idea that they're doing a money in the bank contract
kind of thing, but they want to differentiate themselves from the exact thing they,
the exact idea they took?
Well, yes, they want to steal the idea and then do it differently, but they're cutting out probably
the best thing about the goddamn deal that they took.
So I just don't do it.
Well, Jim, a lot of questions have been asked in the past and in the present.
And a lot of times here on this show about the creative process in AEW,
how does whatever gets on the air get on the air?
Who comes up with these ideas?
And then how many people decide to quit breathing it?
Is the page horizontal or vertical?
There's a lot of questions we have asked.
The columns.
There's a lot here, so we'll break this down.
Here's Tony Kahn talking about the creative process.
Oh, boy.
A really quick follow-up is on the creative process
in the past 12 months since you were in London last.
Our listeners, I think, are noticing more vignettes,
more character building in the mid-card,
more long-term story-time.
And let me just say Tony's nodding with a big smile on his face.
Yes, because he loves all those things that people say he does,
and somehow they overlook the fact that they don't do these things, but nevertheless.
There has been a shift in your process at all over?
I've talked about it a little bit.
Well, talk about it some more.
With the best of intentions, last year went out there, and I tried to get really collaborative.
And I said, let's all do a lot of Zooms.
And I want to hear everybody's ideas.
And I'm going to take every suggestion.
I'm going to take, wow, I'll try to take your idea.
and maybe I'll take your idea.
And it's a lot different than how I did the show,
especially in the pandemic.
I was looking back.
Well, Kenny went out there.
I was saying to Nakazawa,
I was like, man, it's a lot different
than when you guys were wrestling in front of three people
in the pandemic in QT school in Georgia against the best friends.
And, you know, a lot different than the Kenny and Alan Angels match
in front of three people to be out here in front of the biggest crowd ever in this building.
And one of the biggest crowds in AEW history,
we've come like a really long way, but also.
Well, Jim, let me jump in and we'll talk a little bit more about this.
in a moment, but...
Why is he going back to the pandemic
and wrestling in front of three people in QT's school
to have anything to do with the creative?
He's talking about his history as a booker
and he now has six years of history
as the lead booker. God damn, he was
born a poor black child in a log
cabin in Mississippi. What, I mean,
how much history to answer a direct
question do we need?
Can he ever just get to the
fucking point? That's
my question. And we've seen
these WWE Unreal
with their creative process, what do you think of the idea that he's jumping on Zoom calls with everyone?
He wants everyone's idea.
Everyone's submitting ideas to Tony on Zoom.
Well, it's nothing but excesses in every direction here because, of course, it's gibberish.
That's what we said at the time.
It looks like they're just doing this segment by segment.
Everybody's in business for themselves.
You can't do, let everybody do everything they want to do, can have Zooms with 25 people,
but you can't just then say,
no, I'm just going to do what I want to do
when the person that's saying that doesn't know
what the fuck they're doing.
Because then you get what we've been getting.
So it's either a goddamn mess of everything possible,
everywhere all at once all the time,
or it's endless same shit that Tony does with his brain condition
that makes sense to him with all of this 26 people,
people running into a goddamn never-ending angle.
It's, it, neither one is preferable.
Let's go back to the never-ending answer.
Here's Tony Conn.
I had a process that was pretty great in Jacksonville.
And I realized, as we were going into this year,
I had a realization,
and it was a lot like the realization that I came to
when I first started using that process.
That process I used in Jacksonville,
and really in 2020 was a lot different
than I would have done in 2019.
In 2019, I was also a big committees and meetings guy.
And then in 2020, I kind of famously have said, hey, Christmas, I went home and I was like, you know, I'm going to start putting the shows together at home.
And then people in 2020 really liked it.
But what I didn't count on is the pandemic would hit.
I would be the only person in gorilla for months.
And I would be a one man gorilla, which is what happened.
And if you look at those shows that I talked about, I'm the only person backstage.
There was because we shut down the backstage.
So there was only one person doing everything back.
Let me stop this for a moment.
Obviously, he's got a lot to say about the creative process.
in the road to getting here, revealing a lot of things from the past.
If you were the Young Bucks or Omega or Cody Rhodes or Brandy Rhodes,
forget about any feelings about them or what kind of content they like,
just being them feeling like you were a part of the start of this company,
and you're a couple months in, right?
When did they start October?
I forget when they're somewhere around there.
Yeah, you're a few months in, and you're all kind of getting to do your version,
your vision of wrestling on this show.
And the audience hasn't run off yet.
There's people watching your vision of wrestling.
All of a sudden, Tony comes back in.
Guys, I was thinking about it over Christmas.
I'm just going to do it all myself and write all the shows myself.
I mean, you know, that's...
Again, after a couple of phone conversations with Tony,
long before that, I realized this guy has too much energy,
he's convinced he knows what he's doing and he ain't never going to listen.
And if he does listen, it'll be to Gaga,
considering who he wants to work with.
I can imagine being one of the indie-minded guys
that had the patience to sit through Tony's energy
to get my stunt approved or my thing that I had.
But I can't imagine being somebody that actually knows anything
about how wrestling shows put together
and being able to suffer Tony's enthusiastic presence for very long.
I just can't.
Let's go back to Mr. Enthusiasm.
And people thought it was like the best A.W.
Yeah.
So I, and then.
All the people he talked to.
All the people he talked to agreed that his booking was the best they've seen.
That he pays or are just mindless indie wrestling fans.
And it was like, that's a pretty good process.
I still want to hear everyone's ideas, but I'll come in with an outline.
And then I want to talk and say, okay, here's my outline.
Here's what I think we should do.
And there's more people than there were at that point.
And there's more people to bounce ideas off of.
And I think it's really worked really well this year.
So I kind of came in Christmas of this year, Christmas 20, 24 this past year.
And I had like the same look in a mirror conversation I had with myself exactly five years earlier.
Because he's looking in the mirror having these conversations, Jim.
What do you think of these look-in-the-mirror conversations about the booking of AEW and the results?
Well, I tell you, the lines on the mirror, lines on her face, she pretends.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Are they funny mirrors that tell you're good of booking?
Yeah, maybe the fun-house mirror can make him a little bit bigger in the middle.
Coincidentally enough, my father just bought Coney Island.
I've got all these mirrors in my house.
because I wasn't really happy with the way the December 18th, 2019 dynamite ended in in Texas.
And then we took a week off.
And I said, you know what, January 1st, I'm going to make sure we do the best show we've ever done to this point.
And we did.
At that point, that was the best, January 1st, 2020, at that point was the best episode of dynamite.
How long is it going to take him to cover the next five and a half years here?
This is a simple question.
But he's giving over the, or going over the history here.
of the AW creative process from his perspective.
Do I need to shave?
It was the most complete best episode
of wrestling television we had done.
And then I said we never looked back.
And ironically, then the next week, I did something
that in January 8th in the Rio-Christatlander match
that I was like, I knew, like,
I told myself in Christmas 2020, Christmas 2019,
I was like in 2020, I'm not going to do anything
I don't believe in.
2020 is like the year to do.
just trust your instincts.
And if you don't really feel good about something,
don't do it.
And then week two.
Hold on one second.
He's saying trust your instinct six months into being a promoter.
You know,
a year into being a promoter.
Trust your instincts.
Well, of course.
Yeah, just go.
He had it all figured out before they started.
That was the thing.
That's why there was no question in his mind that all this was going to work.
It was like a diet I cheated.
And I made it to January 8th.
And then after that, I was like, that was it.
That was exactly what you told yourself.
if you weren't going to do, don't do that for the rest of the year.
And I didn't.
And we tightened up and we did so well and came together, but I also thought, like, it's a good process.
And it's good to hear people's ideas, but it's probably better to put the outline together
and then talk to everybody versus like having 86 people throwing in ideas.
You know, probably the worst episode of Seinfeld they ever did is the second to last episode,
which was really the finale for all the writers besides Larry David.
So they all tried to get one or two jokes in,
and it turned into the worst episode they ever did,
and also was the one that had the most writers.
So, let me stop it there.
There's a whole lot there.
Again, him being the arbiter of everyone else's creative
and everyone else's ideas,
comparing the committee process of listening to other people's ideas
to the second, the last episode of Seinfeld.
Yeah, he's got the same quality writing talent on his zooms
from Cucamunga,
as they did for Seinfeld,
but it's still,
you know,
there's too many cooks
spoil the broth,
Brian.
The self-awareness
of a Kenny Benya.
Is he going to get to a period
anytime soon?
It's what I'm asking you.
Put a period on this.
It's a better process this year,
but also I give most of the credit
to the,
all the credit really should go to the wrestlers
and the fans because this year,
the level of wrestling on the show
has been the best it's ever been.
I think the support we've gotten
from the network is the best it's ever been.
The backstage talent, everybody, whether it's people working in production that you never see or the announcers or both, people who do both like Renee, who's in production and on screen, everybody's just stepped up.
We're having a really, really good year.
Also, we've been really fortunate to have up to this point a very healthy roster of great stars.
I give a very detailed answer.
Let me stop there.
Up to this point, a very healthy roster.
Yeah, we just lost our two biggest baby faces
tonight to the same show,
but up to this point, they've been healthy.
Up to this point, minus Danielson, Omega,
punk went down when he was there,
every single person has gone down.
About what I think's been happening.
Even Renee.
And it would be hard to be more intricate in detail
than what I just did.
But to give a thorough accounting of it,
I think that it would be safe to say
that the roster have stepped up and delivered week to week to week as much as ever before.
And I think it's incredible.
And we were really fortunate.
We had some stars that were away from us last year for different reasons, some due to injuries,
some due to filming projects.
And they all kind of came back.
And the stars aligned all in Texas is one of the great successes for the company.
Does he even remember the question he was asked?
I can't take much more of this.
I'm not, I'm trying to get somewhere with,
there has to be something in here. Hold on.
I, I, that has to be.
That, it set a high standard coming here.
To follow a show like that and to come here
and to be able to set a new milestone
to sell a lot of tickets and also have a pretty similar live gate,
but also follow up our run of business in London
and also to have the feeling back here that we have,
have that that just we're doing so great you know and and and I talked about our great
women's champions and women's stars I think of course I referred earlier to MJF and even if
I don't agree with his tactics and even if the top women stars uh work overtime well hold
but he's just now running through everything I mean yes what I feel like he has more to say but
I'm even looking through jay I'm even looking through jace's notes he starts ramp
about MJF Adam Page of Moxley
and then just fluffing himself up.
So, um,
I think we may have heard enough of Tony.
Any, any thoughts on the fact
that every single scrum we have heard audio from?
And again, we're going back six years now.
Everything is the greatest that's ever been.
Everything is the best that's ever been.
It's not even just about saying everything
in the moment is great.
But now there's stuff to build on.
When you say everything's great
when you first start,
okay, they think this is great.
But if they thought that was great, how is this great?
How is this greater than that?
Well, more importantly, what the fuck?
There's a, I don't expect anybody running a press event for any company to come out and lead with,
boy, we really fuck this thing up and where the shit's here and this sucks.
No, you're supposed to tell people you're doing well, but endlessly,
without periods or punctuation,
droning on,
citing specific episodes of TV from five years ago
that nobody fucking remembers,
never getting to a point.
Just the constant self-filatio
that old Jay was referring to momentarily ago
where he just talks about,
oh, I did this and I did that and I did the other thing.
Yes, you've spent a half a billion dollars to get a wrestling promotion
to a point where it looks like you spent a hundred million.
But the idea that he genuinely believes that this is the greatest wrestling product
that has ever been put on the planet is admirable.
He's got confidence, but it's also crazy.
and also he would have to be the greatest booker of all time to have six years straight of great stuff and not be burned out at all
and how do you tell the stuff from he keeps saying when we did this a different way we did that a different way we got different results
this shit has looked pretty much the same from day one hadn't it can you tell there's been moments
early punk gave him a few moments they were fans mjf before he had his nuts cut off in the early day
they actually had full buildings and it had an energy almost felt like okay something could happen
and for the past however long it's been the same shit every week over and over for the same
people except the audience dwindles over time so i i i'm glad that they they just love what they're
doing but to act like that this is in any way really one
wonderfully structured shit when it's just haphazard chaos.
I'm sorry.
I bow out now with that statement.
Do you think this is the best year of AEW TV?
It's a crazy question, I know.
I can't see it any way in the world how they think it is because they had more viewers and bigger stars a couple years ago.
Edmund, they've done everything.
You can't do anything different.
nothing works against anybody, nothing hurts anybody
except when they really need surgery
and then they just run over them with a truck
and you don't see them for six months.
And it's all the same.
The more you see of it,
the harder it's going to be
for them to keep doing shit
because people are getting tired of it
because there's no difference.
You can't differentiate one show from the next
because it's just endless mayhem and run-ins.
Well, that's all the Tony Khan audio we're going to play here at another point.
We said plenty of other wacky things, but...
Jim, a little more audio here regarding Tony Con,
and they're going to get out of here.
We ran a little long today.
This is apparently something being released as we are recording.
A ton of listeners have already sent it over.
It's from an interview with Chris Van Vleet.
Jake Hager appeared on his show.
Oh, good Lord.
Let's review some audio here.
break it up a few times. We have not heard a peep from Jay Hayt, Jay Hay, Jay Hager, maybe ever.
So let's hear what he has to say. So when did you stop loving what you were doing there?
Or just loving wrestling in general? It was right after we did the Vegas was at the stadium stampede.
No, it was like the second blood and guts. The second blood and guts we did in Vegas. And it was against
Daniel Bryan and Cizaro and those guys
and then Sammy jumped off the cage
my contract
my first contract with AEW was up
and after that
we were like
the negotiation process
was very one way
and I could tell that
well anyways I always find a way to say this
every day so I think everyone should say
fuck Tony Con
I could tell that he didn't
want me there. He offered me like
a year and a half.
Let me stop it there for a second. Again, there's a lot
more here for a few minutes.
We were not
necessarily proponents of Jake Hager.
We didn't really see whether it's
the way he was used or just
what he brought to the table. We weren't big fans of
It was both. It was both. Yeah.
But here he is saying that he was negotiating
and it wasn't
we won't bring you back, but as he
said, it was a one-sided thing.
We'll give you this.
except this or nothing.
Is AEW wrong in any of that in your eyes so far?
With Jake Hager, here's the thing.
What did he ever do?
What did he ever contribute?
What great Jake Hager promo was there ever given that people talk about?
What great match did he have?
What memorable angle was he in?
He was a friend of somebody that they got it.
Jericho.
They got Tony to sign Jericho, okay, he got Tony to sign him from the start.
And he'd been there at that point for a couple years and had done little of anything.
And with the product that I was seeing on screen, Jake Hager should have been happy
that a billionaire wanted to offer him a contract for 18 months.
Because I would have said, okay, we'll see you later because I'm wasting money.
There's nothing here.
So that Tony offered him anything, I'm on Tony's side on that.
Because my response would have been, why the fuck are you on this roster?
But that's just me.
And remember, we said at the very beginning when everything was lovy-dovey,
and he was there.
He was on, he debuted on the first Dynamite, if you remember.
One day the stories are going to start coming out.
One day these guys are not going to respect and love Tony Khan as much as they do right now
here at the beginning.
And I think we're starting to see that.
let's go back to Jake Hager's talk with Chris Van Vleet.
Like, bro, I just did Stadium Stampede twice.
Like, don't act like Stadium Stampede and put AEW on the map.
I was in the debut episode.
I was the big spoiler.
And you offer me 18 months after all that.
So it was that in the way that he started running the business,
that it really, like, he wasn't a professional.
Let me stop it there for a second.
18 month contract. Any thoughts on that?
Well, yeah, again, you know,
why would you sign the guy at all, to be honest,
with what he was doing?
And even if he could do more, but they hadn't booked him to do more,
well, that's the fault of the guy that Tony just said he was right in the shows.
So I'll give you an 18 month contract for whatever he was overpaying Hager to do,
which was nothing.
Again, I don't have any sympathy for this guy.
both of these things can be true.
Hager can be useless and Tony can be unprofessional.
It's an inexperienced people who aren't particularly good at what they're trying to do
coming together to try to work together.
There's some more audio from Jake Hager's conversation with Chris Van Vleet.
We, like, after all the punk shit that went down, the boys got together and we had
a meeting and this was the boys only no office right and we're all like stings in there show
jericho brian mocks they're all standing at the front kind of like talking us through this
shit and low and the hole who becomes who comes into the room storming in daddy's little billionaire
and he's like yelling at us because uh i think it was dachson uh cash cash and wheeler didn't want to come in
And Cash and Wheeler.
So they refused to come to TV that day.
And he was like, listen, I'll put you in a six man, six minutes before the show and
you're going to do it.
And we're all just like, all feeling disrespected.
And I still do this day, wish I would have stood up and said.
Let me stop this.
Wait, hold on.
Hold on a whole lot here.
Yeah.
Degenerating into gibberish.
I'm not aware.
And it would have been news that it would have been reported.
Did Cash and Dax or Cash and Wheeler, as he said, did they ever.
No show a TV taping?
That's number one.
Have we ever heard of Tony rushing in anywhere
and screaming at people since he never seems
to want to yell at people before?
But what does it mean?
I'll put you all in a six-man tag for six-men.
What?
I don't even understand what this guy is.
Before we even get there,
in terms of a wrestler's only meeting,
a locker room meeting, no office.
how often does that happen
and what would happen
if all of a sudden
the boss just stormed in
and started yelling at everyone
about something kind of off topic
from what you guys are talking about
if this was after the punk thing
and after there's a big fight
amongst executives in the locker room
and see him punk
and this is kind of like
all right team
you know we got to do what we can
in this weird dirty dozen
kind of fucking team
that got going on over there
but if that's what this is
it all of a sudden Tony storms in
it goes
I'll book you however
I fucking want to book you.
What does that do?
Well, it wasn't a talent-only meeting anyway
because didn't he say Danielson was there
and Danielson was on a disciplinary committee?
Not yet.
That was before there was a disciplinary committee.
Oh, I forgot. That's right.
Well, basically, it was all the guys whispering to Tony
conducting a meeting to try to settle all the guys down
or whatever.
There was still, Tony was going to hear everything
that happened in the meeting, obviously.
And I,
Hager doesn't sound to me,
I'm sorry, but I don't honestly believe him
because he sounded like he was him and and hon
and tried to figure out where he was going next.
If he's predicating this thing on,
you need to believe me because that was such a valuable commodity,
I think he's full of shit to begin with.
Let's hear more about his thoughts when Tony Kahn stormed into the meeting.
You know, a lot of things.
But like, you just told Sting that you're going to put him in a six man and six minutes,
but then you're going to honor him for his retirement.
We were all, we became his little playthings.
We had to wait outside his office.
His storylines were very good at debuting,
but he can never carry anything through.
And it got to the point where I'm carrying on,
but it got to the point where couldn't tell him anything.
He couldn't take criticism.
He was fucking up, and we were all just having to deal with it, you know?
Like, we all had blood, sweat, and tears put into that company.
We were all there at the beginning.
Like, we all had our careers behind us that helped build that company.
And then we all had to just sit side by side and couldn't do anything because he wanted to run it the way he wanted to run it.
So you chose to resign.
That's the end right there, that question.
You chose to resign.
you chose to resign well because who else is going to give me
how many hundreds of thousands of dollars a year
it's another example of both of these things can be true in some respects
Jake Hager is not a very guy that's very smart to the wrestling business I don't think
and I don't think he's very good but it's the same point
even if he is not that quick on the uptake
he's repeating a lot of the sentiments there
that a lot of the guys
had at the time
that they were bitching about in the locker room
that they couldn't
tell Tony because he get his feelings hurt.
All of these things were happy.
This is Chris Jericho's friend saying
all of a sudden Tony Kahn didn't want to hear everyone's ideas.
Who's really saying that?
Well, and can you imagine what some of those ideas
were.
It's not like there's a big baby face
in any of this program.
Apparently he's not happy that
Tony Con, I'm reading some comments here about other
parts of this, we don't have any other audio.
He was not happy that Tony Khan didn't take advantage of how over he got
with his hat.
Oh, Christ. And talking about how he likes his hat,
he wanted to do a character who
would only say that phrase
for no matter what the question was, he would say,
I like this hat.
And his friends would understand here.
You know, maybe Tony wasn't the worst booker in the room.
But what do you think?
One last thing about all this.
What do you think?
I think he ought to shit in the hat and cover it up with another one and see what happened.
You think we're going to see a lot more of this, whether right or wrong, whether
they're disgruntled because they weren't resigned to a big contract or not.
Are we going to see a lot more people talking about the conditions in AEW at least?
least a few years back,
if not,
well,
if you have a bunch of
delinquent children
in a fucking class
and the teacher
doesn't have any
control over it,
then are the kids
going to leave the class
and talk about how,
yeah, we took advantage of her
and no,
it was talking about,
yeah,
she's a lousy teacher.
But they're also
delinquent children.
There's no structure.
There's no fucking administration.
There's no hierarchy.
They're just indie wrestling
with
multi-millions of dollars.
Well, we will stay on top of the antics of AEW and their former wrestlers and their current
wrestlers and the injuries to their wrestlers and so much more.
But with that, Jim, this special review-heavy edition of the drive-thru is closed.
I'm looking for my...
You mean I can go ahead and make my burgers for our cookout now with the in-laws?
I can't find the usual one, so I'll go with this.
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