Episode 407: Jim Reviews Forbidden Door
00:36again, friends.Jesus Christ.And you are our friends.We brought out the real organ today.Welcome to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through.We'll be talking about a lot of organs here today on the show.We have a lot of things happening in AEW pay-per-view from London, as well as assault andbattery, attempted murder, and so many other things to talk about.
01:02It's an action-pack show here this week, and here he is.I'm the host, by the way, the great Brian Lass.And here he isMr. Jim Cornett.You just get, oh, for heaven's sake.You know, when you started out with the slow version,actually the slower you go,the more it seems like you hit real notes,
01:25but it was like the buildup to Hotel California in concert.And then it got into the thing,and then suddenly you screamed at meand perpetrated my ear.drums. Oh, come on. Give me a break.With your hello, friends, they're notyour friends. What kind of friendare you to go screaming in people's faces, Brian last?
01:48Did you walk down the street and justget up in somebody's fate? Hello, friend!The fuck! Can you hello, friends?Or hello, friends?So you can do the hello, two different ways.These are wonderful suggestions that perhaps I willapply at some point, not now.Brian, have you ever, have you ever a friend, friend, countrymen of mine, have you ever seen a skunk chase a deer?
02:16No, that'd be a new one.I am sending you a video.Stacey's emailing it to me and I'm going to email it to you.She tried to tweet it, but it wouldn't let her tweet it or whatever.I don't know how these things work.But again, last night, the motion sensor light in the back.backyard goes off and Stace looks out to wit as she grabs her phone and videos it.Sputnik the skunk is back and remember I told you because we got a semi decent look at him.
02:50It was in a darker area, but I said he's got a lot of white on him.Turns out this skunk from from toe to tip of tail has got to be three feet long easily.It's a big ass skunk.and its whole head is white,a big white stripe going down its back,and its whole tail is white.It's more of a white skunkthat the black is on the underneath.
03:17I have never seen a skunk like this in my life,and it is facing off with one of the deer,one of the Bundy family.And I think it was one of the little ones,I believe, there was none of the others around for reference,and it was still dark.But the deer would look at itand it would run like a couple of steps
03:42toward the deer and the deer would turn a giant circleand hop back and look and be scared,but it was chasing the deer.Did it spray?Did it spray? It's a notoriousand infamous skunk spray?No, no, because it was just advancingand was not being threatened
04:03because the deer was running awayfrom it. It has to turn around.It was advancing head first. It has to turn around to spray.So when I'm driving around and I smell the skunk, like, do skunks, if they get run over, do they releasetheir toxic aroma? Do they...Well, wouldn't you? I don't know. I don't know how it works. I don't know if it has to bea conscious thing. Like, all right, it's time to spray this shit here. But if it's not...If it gets run over by a car, whatever's in there is getting released in some fashion or another,
04:34all over to concrete.But what are you laughing at a poor squashed skunk?What kind of sadist are you?The last skunk I heard about in a car accidentwas Vince McMahon on the Merritt Parkway, that hairdo.And he's got that fucking streak in his hair.But nevertheless, the point is if they're threatened,if they're threatened or they're backed in a corner
05:01or something happens that they feel in,in danger, they will let loose with that shit.And or I think there's another reason also because we had a family years ago livingunder the walk in the back.We were going to get rid of just the one, but then we saw the little babies.And everyone, we just started closing the bedroom window.It was springtime because they would just let loose with that for summer.I don't know if they were threatened or just marking their territory.
05:32but this fucking skunk ain't taking shit off anybody.This deer's three times as tall as he is,except if he was to stand up on his back legs and go,that'd be an impressive-looking fucking skunks.I wonder if he cross-bred with something.With what?Well, one of these other cross-bred things.You don't know about these interspecies situations.
06:03It could have been Landon.Landon was more skunk than he was human.It could be one of these chupacabra things.You know, the other day I was going through some of my files,and there's a Sputnik Monroe file,but next to that, there are just various files of various Monroe's.And, you know, Flash Monroe without the blonde streak,it's not the same thing.
06:27Not the same thing at all.There were, there was Rocket Monroe, there was Flash,Monroe. Bubba Monroe was actually Sputnik's son. And he ended up, his greater fame in wrestlingwas being Jerry Jarrett's limo driver when Jared had that limousine. Oh, I didn't know that.Interesting. Yes. Bubba Monroe was the, he was the driver the night that Jared almost putfucking Bill D. out and made him right up front. What happened? From running over the people with aI may have told the story, but again, we've got so many kids.They had the big 10-man tag team match in Memphis.
07:10It's a Mid-South Coliseum and the big crowd, and there's there to see.The baby-faced team was Jerry Lawler, Stan and Steve, the fabulous ones,Jackie Fargo, and Bill Superstar Dundee.And all that, I can't remember,Jimmy Hart's first family play, you know, like Ken Paterra wasprobably on the other heel side,or Ventura may have been in that,whoever the fuck it was.
07:38But all the baby faces get to grand entrance.And of course, Lawler,that was probably, I think, a nighthe might have come out on a horse again.I can't remember what he did.And the Fabbs and Fargo came out in Jerry Jarrett's limousine,as they did oftentimes.Dundee wanted to come out riding his motorcycle.
08:01And he gets,revved up in that longaisleway that theywould, you know, down ringside andall the way to the back that people have seenin the Mid South Coliseum footage, it's,you know, to the ring was125 feet, 150 feet, easy,
08:17maybe more, I might even be underestimated,my God. And he'sgoing to come out, and as soon as he comesdown that aisleway, the people are screamingand rumrum, and they're playingthe song,do-da-da-da-da-d-wipe-out.the motorcycle music, right?
08:35And as soon as they got to wipe out, he did.When he got to ringside, the spotlight got in his eyesthat he was going too fast and he hit fucking spilled Coca-Cola.And all the heels that aren't in the match,including me, are watching from the back.And it looked like that he just went down and slid sideways.And then you see people jump up and it like,how many did he take out?
08:59Oh, my God.Jared Jared shit himself in the backcome to fight that a bunch of people jumped upand like I think a few stood on their seatsand he didn't actually mow anybody downbut it looked like a goddamn scene of mayhem right for a secondand of course Lawler and the fabs are dying laughingand so they had the match nobody got hurt
09:25they had the match everything's fine but Dundee had riddenwith Jerry Jarrett from down fromHendersonville from Nashville in the limousine.And Jerry, Jerry wouldn't let him ride in the back.He made him right up front with Bubba Monroe.Oh, wow.And they get like, the story I heard was they got past Jackson.Then it's like 1 o'clock in the morning or whatever.
09:47And he Dundee made Bubba pull over the side of the road and he got out and he walked backthat long stretch limousine.And he starts knocking on the door.Come on, little man.Let me, come on.I'm sorry.No, no.he called him little man
10:01everybody called jared little manthat was since when roy let himtake over Memphisit was a little manit was a term of endearmentif you had been shooting ringside stillobviously this a year after you started managingwould you have been wiped out
10:18where would you have beenno I'd have been nowhere near Dundeeright in a motorcycle indoorsso I'd have been the last personthat got run overI was I took pictures one daythey shot that video of him riding down the hilland Jerry Jarrett's fucking giant
10:35100 acre backyard on theridiculous video yeah had a bad reputationit's just him riding his motorcycleup and down hillsand that's why I wasn't aboutto fucking let him be near meon a motorcycle indoorsbut
10:53what were we talking aboutwe were talking aboutBubba Monroe.And the Monroe's, Flash Monroe.Monrose, all the Monroe's.Not the Monroe's that work here,the Monroe brothers, Alph and Ralph,but the completely, the family of,
11:09that was spawned by Sputnik,because he was so over, he needed brothers and,you know, really is the most genius name.You know, Marilyn Monroe was in the middle of actuallyher run as being one of the biggest,most glamorous stars in the world.He takes that and Sputnik,which was in the news.
11:26But now, hold on, Monroe was his legitimate middle name.You know that, do you not?I didn't know that. I did not know that.Roscoe Monroe Brumbaw.I knew Roscoe Brumbaugh.Did not know Monroe was his actual middle name.Wow.So there you, but he was working, before he got Sputnik in Alabama, he was working as Elvis Rock Monroe.
11:52Elvis and Rock at the same time.Yes.Well, because Rock from Roscoe, Rock.Brumbaw had been a thing. He went through a variety of names.Many of the fans called him many more. I'm sure there'll be lots more to learn aboutSputnik Monroe in the future that we'll let people know about. But...Yes, a good, good tease. And it'd be about another week or so, and we'll start makingthose announcements. Well, Jim, speaking of announcements, we always like to announce that there's a
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13:13But Jim, there has been a story this week that we have to talk about here at the top of the show.And I thought the big thing this week would be just reviewing the AEW pay-per-view,knowing that they typically go somewhere between 8 and 45 hours.Yeah, yeah.I figured there'll be a lot of things to talk about,but I woke up to a bunch of people sending me footage,and to this point right now, it hasn't stopped.I don't know if I've ever seen something that didn't take place in WW
13:40that was big, or I see I'm punk showing up in AEW.I don't know if I've ever seen the reaction from the listeners to a story,and this is the story of someone most of us had not really heard of before.Raja Jackson, the son of Rampage Jackson,the legendary mixed martial artist and UFC fighterand an appearanceI don't even know if that's what we call itthen maybe more appearances coming in the future
14:06but I think some of them will be mandatorybut he was at a show in Southern CaliforniaI believe or at least in California called KnoxWrestling or Knox Championship Wrestlinglet's talk about this storyOh good life yeah because you can't even reallyexplained to people who if you've lived undera rock and haven't heard
14:30about this, we'll try togo overwhat happened, but likeyou said, the attentionbecause itjust came out of nowhere, and it'snot even, it'sreally incidental that it's about wrestling.
14:46It's just about thiscelebrity MMA fighters,moron son thatyou know, it commits attemptedmurder after attempting,after admitting that he's going to do it, then does it,and his own cameraman shoots it and streams it to the world.So that kind of, you know, was one of those things that tripped everybody's trigger.
15:09Before we delve into this any further,because it is related to wrestling,the summation at all of this is that I think that, oh,Roger Jackson needs to go to prison,for quite some timewhere he can contemplatethe choices he's made in his life.So I'm not
15:34absolving himof any responsibilityfor being a fucking lunatic.But everybodyinvolved in thisat some levelisan idiot,
15:52unprofessionalsituationshouldn't have been even allowed to happen.And it's just an example of whythat I am so goddamn disgustedwith the wrestling business,both at major level and at the small time level,the outlaw mud show level.
16:14And the only good person that I can see in this,or that actually more than good,the only sane, rational human being that did anything right was the guy,and I forgot his name now, because I never heard any of these people,but the guy that pulled Roger off of the guy that he was trying to kill.Oh, his name was Doug something.I just saw an interview with him.He came across a stand-up guy.
16:43Well, and again, if you Google any report about this thing,you'll have all these people's names because,but here's the problem.Here's the multitude of problems.We may be here for a minute.None of this should have ever taken place.What the people saw,apparently this not only Roger Jackson,
17:09but his father does it too.They just wander around their daily lifewith somebody next to themwith a fucking camera phonebroadcasting themand taking a shit,making Coleslaw.I don't know what the fuck.
17:24Why are they just sitting aroundon camera on the internetthese people?What's happened?They're trying to make money.How is this?They try to make money with them.How would you make money?
17:33What the fuck?They're making content.The influencers.I don't know who they're influencing.The content that I sawwas either this guy,Roger, standing aroundfucking cutting incoherent promos
17:47and raving about shit,or his father, Rampage,was sitting with some other guywatching somethingthat we couldn't fucking see.Look, I don't know how many people are watching it,but this was a live stream to an audiencethat apparently was giving him feedback
18:02after the initial confrontation,egging him along,and he was telling them,yeah, I'm going to do something.Okay, but this is news to methat people would just walk aroundwith a camera broadcasting,they're, you know, walking down the street,
18:18oh, I wonder if there's a place to take a piss around here type of day,and that anybody would give a shit to watch it.So that's first thing.These people are fucked up.So then apparently Knox Pro Wrestling, which is at least in name owned by Rikishi.And it's allegedly a wrestling school, more on that in a minute.but they're having a show.And again, you know, Rikishi wasn't there and I don't know,
18:55is this one of those things where a lot of guys own wrestling schoolsand a lot of guys just, oh, it's Sam Smith's wrestling schooland somebody else pays Sam Smith to say that, I don't know what's going on.It looks like there's a family involvement,which may mean that, you know, it's been the,Samoan familytraditionwhen one of the guys
19:20does wellhe spreads the wealtharound that restof the familyso did hebuy somea brother-in-lawwrestling school
19:29I don't fucking knowbut they're doing a showand one of the wrestlersthe guy in the cowboy hatthe dick thatthe hero of the pieceis blaming for stirringall this shit up
19:42what's his namecan you remember his nameI had never seen or heard of him before.I'd have to look it up.I don't remember.Cowboy hat, fella.There's a guy walking around wearing a cowboy hat.He knows Roger Jackson.
19:55And he has Roger Jackson,the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson,come to the show to hang out with him,and he brings him to...Oh, God damn.The dressing room was a parking lotwith a tent behind some cars.and hey you know what i've been on some low budget
20:19propositions beforeand you know in the various training centers that i've been involved inor fucking spot shows or whateverbut it's a bunch of guyshonestly it's a bunch of fucking guys that do this for fun on thefucking weekends sitting around in lawn chairs next totent in a fucking parking lotadjoining a building where they're having a wrestling
20:49show where what was the crowd Brian was there 50 peopleand did they have room to get 50 people in thereit was a small building and a small crowd I don't know how manyokay and this promotion because rickishi owns itor it's the family thing I'm sure they got aa favor deal they have one of thoseW.W.E. IDaffiliations.
21:14Or they did. More on that in a moment.And, but it's,you could, I'm sorry, I can tell by the guys and themanner of which was going on.This is a bunch of guys that do this for fun on thefucking weekends. If anybody thinks they're going tofucking be a star off of this proposition,because number one,
21:38the guy thatis psycho-strand,who again, he did nothing stupid, maybe ignorant to the business,isn't a reason to have your head bashed in while you're unconscious.Don't even know what's happening.But he's sitting there when Roger Jackson walks up and is talking to some of the other guysand he sees, I guess, whoever the guy was filming him.And apparently the story isn't a video backs it up that he wanted to,
22:10he thought they were doing an angleor doing it or shooting somethingor working somethingso he wants to get in on it and he gets upand comes up andI don't know Brian what ityou couldn't really hear what they said it didn't last longbut he didn't challenge the guy
22:28oh you don't know me no I don't know youI'm psychos toohe was trying to get on cameraand he he picks up one of the empty beer cansthey're drinking before the showand also this guy, and I'm going to say this,he's a veteran, Psycho Stu.They said that he did this to deal with his PTSD,
22:53but I also saw somebody say that he's been there for like 10 years.So there's sometimes there's guys like that,that everybody knows them, everybody likes them in the school,they're eccentric,and sometimes even in the territoriesMike Sharp used like take 20 showers a daybut they're a littledifferent or they don't quite pick up on it
23:21but apparently Stu picks up one of the empty beer cansand hits the guy over the head with it, Roger,who doesn't sell it because he's like,what the fuck is this guy doing?And then Stu says, you ain't going to sell it?he didn't know what the fuck's even going on and i saw one report said well it was a gimmicked beer canthere's no such thing as a gimmick beer can idiots it's just an empty beer can you're notgoing to kill somebody with this hit him like that it's just what these stupid hardcore things
24:01that fat guys who play wrestler on the weekends think is cool from ECW because sandmanused to do it.He just hit the fucking guy.It hurts.It might cut you if you get him right, but it's not going to...But the point is he hits the guy with the beer can.And Roger is like, what the fuck is this?And he starts to bow up.
24:27And Brian then,one of the Samoan bloodline familywas that he looked like off of the Samoanif he was dehydrated. I don't know who this fucking guy is.Someone told me it was the Black Pearl, who I believe is actually the son of Afa and Sika's older brother, but I'm not certain.But that's what I was told by someone.I don't know, but he looks like he's 100.And I guess he's supposed to be the veteran or in some way, is he an official person here?
24:57He's the one who stands up.You know, brother, he's not a worker.He's not a worker.Here's another thing.nobody that's actually a workerjust says to people or they didn't use tonot to everybody thinks they're smartwhen they come into wrestling school
25:17because they're already internet smartbut he would say he's not a workerhe's a K-fame he's not with it whateverbut he's not a worker nobody we didn't call each otherworkers to begin with we were workingand we were workers but to each otherit is a high fellow workerthey're all fucking internet smart
25:41so dehydrated alpha gets up and tries to cool him downand the cowboy hat guycomes in and I think he was there getting in the middle of that rightbut then apparently theytalk them downand they tell Stuno this guy he's not shooting an angle he doesn't know what thefuck you're doing.
26:07And they tellthe dehydrated alpha tellsRaja, oh yeah, he'd saywe always working. We're always working here. He thought we were working.Have I described this so farlike it actually stupidly happened, Brian?Yeah, and also you brought up this is all outside.This is the middle of the day, so the sun's just...
26:31It looks like they're hiding behindthree or four parked cars next to a tentin some chairs with a fuckingtable full of beer cans.Your first thought isn't they're backstageat a wrestling show.No.So, yeah, the confrontation
26:46happens.Apparently,Psycho Sue was alerted that this wasn'ta work or this wasn't an angleor whatever he thought. And he apologizedor tried to make amends several timesand those are on camera.Yes, and the guy even finally said,
27:03okay, okay, we're cool.But thenthen they have a brilliant idea,a wonderfully, brilliantly evil idea.They come up and they tell Stu,well, we're going to make something out of it.Make something out of what?What the fuck?
27:26Suddenly people are going to descend on this locationto buy tickets to see what the fuck.It's wrong on so many levels.Nobody knows who any of these people are, except Roger Jackson,who wandered into this, and he's a goddamn mental case, if we haven't mentioned that.And what the hero of the piece that saved Stu later on...Doug Mallow, apparently is his name.Doug Molo claims that a podcast that Cowboy Hat Fellow didn't like Stu
28:02and wound up Roger Jacksonand somehow the promotion,aka Dehydrated Afa,decides to go along with thisby putting Roger Jacksonin a spot in the matchwhere he's going to leave the front row of ringsideand go in and tackle Psycho Stew
28:28and get his receipt back.And the cowboy hat guy is on camera explaining,I told you what a receipt is, right?And again, and there's so many of these fucking goofy,smart, Mark, internet smart, alleged fans,alleged experts, MMA fans, whatever,that just think that they know all the terminologyand they're so goddamn with it,
28:57as Frank Space Man Hickey would say,with it, not with it.they know he was just good again that's his receipt you fucking idiot a receipt is when somebody'scareless and fucking throws a kick to your chest and kicks you in a fucking lip and gives you abloody lip and when you grab them in a fucking headlock and you goddamn take your knuckle and youfucking pap them on the fucking cheek or something like go motherfucker or one of those you knowVader Hansen type of receipts where they just club you on the side of the fucking head wants to wakeyou up or whatever, but not goddamn attempted murder and intentional brain damage.
29:40And, but all of these, mother, for every wrestler on this show, apparently, with the exceptionof Doug, is internet smart.And they're all a bunch.And this guy wound them up to where they have this guy come in and do a fucking spoton poor old stew.Who may very well be psycho.Maybe he was drinking.Maybe he's just not that bright.
30:05Again, not an excuse for attempted murder.And somehow this passes by the chain of commandin this goddamn flea market they're running out there,where this is all okay.And then finally, now Roger Jackson is sitting in the front rowwith his camera guy in Stu's match,waiting for his spot.And he's saying they told me to go in there and take him down and hit him.
30:41Well, I'm going to hit him as many times as I can before they pull him off of me.You watch and see.And he's predicating and admitting in advance to everything he's about to do.And he's broadcasting it.And then when you know who won the pony,when his time comes he goes in there double leg dives the guy snaps him down if the guy didn't hitthe back of his head and was still conscious after the first punch he wasn't because he justdrilled him right to face and then what did they say bro was it 22 or 23 punches that he threw
31:25as hard and as fast as he could i don't think more than 16 connected thoughand he's in a ring full of peoplenobody's doing any goddamn thingWell apparently from what I heardThe first person in thereWho tried to do somethingAnd there was nothing he could doWas only 17 years old
31:47Yeah I did oh here yesRemind me when I talk aboutLegal liability later on here in the episodeThe first person to get to the sceneOf that not to get to the sceneBut to react to the sceneof the attempted murderis a minor.
32:08Then he tries to pull hismaniac off and that doesn't workand then Doug comes.And Doug'slooks pretty fucking stout to meand apparently has some experienceand he's trying to pull the guy off,Roger,
32:25and he's pulling him offand Roger tries to double leg him.And he fuckingwasn'tit's quite so easyas the guywas working with hima minute ago
32:37and he didn't let himhe fucking snatched himand apparentlyas more people then came onRoger punched himin the eyeDoug and busted his eye openso Doug in budded him
32:52and drilled him backin that interview that he didDoug said in his mindas it was happeningand you can't really doubt thisif Roger Jacksonhad succeeded in taking him downwith a double leg, he would have tried to kill him too.
33:06This was a guy that was going to just do thisuntil someone stopped him, it seemed like.Well, he was already beaten.I mean, anybody hadn't seen this.It's just ridiculous.And he's supposedly at Roger Jack's a trained fighter.Like George Goulis, he's the George Goulis of MMA,apparently, because his father, otherwise,
33:27nobody would know who this fucking waste of sperm was.But people would say, well, he's a trained fighter.He can't fake it like the wrestlers.No.This is, if you're a trained fighter or a talented amateur,this is a tempted murder of an unconscious body.There's no defense whatsoever.It wasn't landing punches on someone who's trying to defend themselves
33:50and they're blocking you.This was a downed opponent who was out cold.Then he decided to start throwing as many punches as he could.Yes, and the thing is, so when Doug's pulling him offoff and Doug is actually afucking challenge.If Roger got a fucking chanceto get on top of him, what do you think he'd have fucking
34:08done? Because now you've got to be scared. Oh shit.Somebody fucking fighting back here.I got to panic even more because he wasin the zone.Because apparently the42 fucking people thatwatched this guy wander around his lifeon camera were winding
34:28him up like, you're going to let that guy get away withhitting you in a head with that can and everything.And I guess now people are saying that his father verbally abuses him, belittles him,fucking is just a dick or whatever in some fashion.So this guy's got mental.And did you love that, hold, I may be jumping ahead, but God damn it, just all this is so crazy.Oh, Rampage, when he puts out a statement, said, oh, I can't believe my son did this and I'm so ashamed or whatever he said.but he did suffer a concussion and sparring a few days ago.
35:03He's already setting up a brain damage defensebecause his goddamn little felon fucking bitch pussy sonis trying to kill unconscious people.So anyway, back to this fucking deal.So again, not only were there people in the ring,the referee, the rest of the match was happening, whatever.And Doug, who was over by the stage,apparently not like it's a big building again but this by his words he was at the stage and he saw it and had to run in other people could have chose to and they didn't and then when the pulp apart and he gets his eye busted he head butts the guy and they pull Jackson out of the fucking ring and they're taking him out somebody else in the match covered the fucking guy that had just been goddamn beaten to a pulp and is bleeding out of his
35:59face everywhere covered him and the referee counted it.I said, can you rewind that and just have me say that again?Because I don't know if I get those words out again.And I guess at that point, too, that's when he was also choking on his own teeth and blood.Yes, he was in the process of choking on all of the teeth that was described as a lotthat got knocked out and the blood that was not only coming from inside of his mouth,but also in various parts of his face,somebody covers him
36:33and the referee counts itbecause they've got to get the finish in.And again,what kind of goddamn dog and fucking pony show?See, that's the thing is,and I told you earlier today,I said, we ought to get Jay Shark Natoto dig up
37:00when we talked about the developmentalprogram, I don't know, months and months ago and all the thousands of hours of audio we've done.And I talked about being the guy booking the third party appearances and bookings for thetalent in the 90s when I was in Stanford and working in the office and how if the guys,you know, autograph sessions, yes, but also if the guys that didn't get booked often thenand weren't on big contracts, if they could work for some independent promoters.As long as they paid a booking fee and we knew that they wouldn't,the promoters were somewhat legitimate,
37:40they would be allowed to do that.It was a boon to the guys that ran decent shows.But eventually after I left, because nobody wanted to fuck with it,they just said, well, nobody can wrestle anymore.Actually, I think right before I left,nobody can wrestle anymore because we don't want to fuck with these peoplebecause something might happen to get them in the fucking newspaper.you get them on TV and bed and there's a WWE guy
38:05standing next to the scene of the fucking crime or whatever30 years later nothing has changedthat's why theythis WWE ID thingand they give it out to this againit's it's in the family oh it's Rikishi's thingokay whateverbut Jesus H Christ Christ
38:30Rakesha ought to know bear if his name's going to be on it.If he ain't there,he ought to have people that know what the fuck they're doing.And you can tell that they don't actually,none of them know what the fuck they're doing,to be honest with you, this wrestling school,allegedly, in quotation marks,because none of these people would be a legitimate one,
38:52except for Doug,because everybody else looked like a goddamn bunch of fucking befucking foams.So anyway, they drag Roger Jackson out and they take him out the building and he starts walking down the street with his cameraman.I'm tired of these motherfuckers taking advantage of me.I ain't playing.And he's just walking down the street to, you know, said a further admitting confessing to, yeah, this motherfucker ain't going to fly with me.and then some of the fucking wrestlers, allegedly, in quotation marks,that we're on a show, were brave enough to come to within a block of him
39:35and yell horrible words at him.After he just beat up one of the boys on the fucking card and put him in a hospital,how did that motherfucker get out of the building?I mean, Jesus, age Christ.What do you think if somebody to fucking,in Crockettalmost nobodylike Tully
40:01but if somebodyhad beat the fuck out of Tullyhe wouldn't have got 10 feetthe whole rest of the cardwould have ripped him into pieceshey Travis Scottsmack Cody in the earjust walked in the back
40:13smiling and high five and everyoneeveryone told me did a great jobbut you have to thinkif there was an assault like thatyou'd have to think there'd be a line of peopleif not running to the ringwaiting for the person to get in the backyou would have to think that.
40:27Well, they didn't go to the back.He went out to the side or whatever.I'm told me,there wouldn't have a wait for to come to the back.And there was no back in this goddamn building.There was plenty of ass, but no back.All those other wrestlers were standing a fucking roundwith their dicks in their fucking hands.
40:44I probably couldn't find their own dicksbecause they were such pussies.And one guy is the got to get on this motherfucker.I did.So again, again,and then they call an ambulance and fucking take him and he was critical but stable was the description after the fact.I don't know that one of those doesn't contradict the other.I guess you go, well, he's no change.
41:11He's still fucking critical.But I know, let me try to walk this through step by step and explain how in any kind of legitimate professional,environment, not only just because they're affiliated with theWWE, but just taking pride in anything you fucking do.Or is it just a money grab for the in-laws or the dehydratedalpha or whatever?But I'm not even going to talk about, oh, we'd have done it this way atOhio Valley Wrestling, even though I'm going to talk about that, in part.
41:50But the reason why we did it that way was because it was the way that it was doneevery goddamn where elsethat I'd ever beenthat had ever been successful or professionalor fucking just notallow stupid things like this to happenthis is another one of those modernphenomenons
42:10that could never happenin the legitimateprofessional wrestling industryeverybody's internet smartyes if you have a lowbudget school andyou got a low-budget show, then ball means dress out to parking lot under a tent.There's no shame in that.
42:35You don't have to be too poor to paint and too proud to whitewash.That's fine.But the first thing is, nobody needs to be drinking beer, even if it's a Saturday afternoonand it's good weather because it's California.There's no drink at a laugh at the show, number one.number twohow the fuck did roger jackson just wander into the even if it's the dressing roomeven if the dressing room is outdoors in a parking lot it's in the back
43:06it's not accessible to the publica guy brought him in there that's friends with him hey my friend come on down and hang outwith me and i'll take you back here and we'll talk to all the boysno on camera oh well i'm not even there yetjust the idea of I'm sorryif it's a friend of yoursor your brother-in-law or your fucking wifeor your sister or your uncle
43:32or whoever the fuck family memberor member of your social circle it isthey ain't in a fucking locker roomthey're just not therethe people that are allowed in the locker roomand and I knoweverybody's going to say in the WWEthey've got camera personnel and it's said
43:49okay fuck you I'm talkingof a goddamn wrestling show.And especially at a wrestling schoolwhere you're supposed to teach these principles.Nobody in the locker roomexcept the boys that are on the card,whether it be wrestlers,referees, managers, anybody that's on the card
44:07part of the show,your ring announcer and your local promoter.And that's it.In the territories,even the goddamn uniform policewere often allowed.in the locker room.And a lot of building managers had to be insulted.
44:28But we're renting the building for these four hours tonight.So you can't go in the locker room.It was for a variety of reasons to protect K Fabe,to cut down on because guys, especially when it was a cash businessor guys had jewelry or shit,the fewer guys in a locker room, something goes missing, fewer suspects.and also because it was just goddamn protocol.And you didn't on spot shows,
45:00a guy might bring his kid,and we'd send the kid to run errands.You know, like that type of thing.That was a little, you know,a little bending the rules,but whatever the fuck.But there was not this goddamn,oh, we can just bring anybody.
45:18If Cowboy Hat guyhad wanted to bring the son of a celebrity,whether he's an MMA fighteror a goddamn noted goddamn contortioniston the Ed Sullivan show,he should have gone to whoever was running the showeither as the booker or as the promoterand said, I've got a celebrities kid,
45:38wants to meet the boys,and then you set up a separate fucking deal.And so in OVW or in any other promotionthat I've worked in or been responsible,responsible for.Number one, the guy, the cowboyhad guy would have got yelled at for bringingthe guy back to begin with. And then
45:59secondly,with a camerabroadcasting to the world.No, andno, not even forK-Fa-Fa reasons, but alsofor what if a guy walks out of thefucking porta-pottie with his dick
46:15out. But, andagain, there weren't the cameraof phones in OVW or in the territories, but people had video cameras.If a guy had come in, that's what I'm talking about.This school is a bogus fucking insult to wrestling schools.If they have no more structured, no more discipline, no more control, than what they haveand they have taught any of these guys no more than what they've taught them.If a guy came in with a visitor unauthorized, he'd have been kicked out in the OVW
46:49locker room.if a guy came with a camera or a friend with a camera,even an idol have been booted,he might have been fucking expelled in the locker room without permission.Then if any of the boys sitting around happened to see somebody with a cameraand some other people talking and just went up and inserted themselves in it,for whatever reason,without being told, he would have got cussed out.
47:22And if he'd have picked up a fucking can and hit a guy that he's never seen beforeand hadn't been told to, he would be expelled and told to get to fuck out now.Except if, like, he, psycho, Stu, is one of those guysthat maybe he doesn't pick up on things too quick, and it's just him, okay, Stu,you can't be doing that,but you got cussed,nevertheless at the time.He was just a regular
47:55person. He would have got expelled.And instead of dehydratedoffice standing up and just joshing,in my position, I would have been the onecussing at the guy for hitting the other guy to head with a can,cussing at the guy for being in a locker room,cussing at the guy for bringing a guy in a locker room,and cussing at the guy with the fucking camera phone.
48:16get the fuck all of you get to fuck out of here so there's that but then they decided to makemake something out of it and put him in a spot which means apparently either somebodywas it cowboy had guy maybe dehydrated off of maybe he's had enough of fucking stewwell let this fucking kid go in and leg dive him and give him a fucking receipt as they call itYeah, why make something of this?For who?For, there's no reason.For nobody, how would it, oh, would it increase their exposure?
48:56Does 70 people watching Raja?Oh, it's increased their exposure now.But I don't believe that...Yeah, really.Must watch indie match of all time now.Yes, from an ex-fucking indie.But, so they're going to make something out of itto fuck with fucking stew in some fashion
49:18at the simplest basic terms.They're going to fuck with Stu for being hit him with a can,let him leg-dabbing, give him a shot.And of course, they don't,they don't even bother to think through a receipt.What's that?Give him a good one.What is that?
49:37Or you say, punch him in the mouth,but don't hit him in the goddamn cheek or the fucking eyeor don't break his nose or good Lord,don't kick him in the mouth.the ball's so hard that his fucking testicles explode.That could be a good one or a shot or whatever.There's no,there's no instruction whatsoever.
50:01And here's another thing.And I don't care what's a wrestling school or a promotion.And as a manager over the 35 fucking years from start to finish that I was doing shit,I've worked with non-wrestling people, radio disc jockeys,or celebrities of some element that had to do something.I had a mixed tag team match with me and Stan Lane against Tim Hornerand the principal of the East High School in Morristown, Tennessee.Jerry Williams, the stiffest old bastard that ever stepped foot in a wrestling ring.
50:37Because we taught him how to body slam me and pin me.And we didn't think to fucking tell him not to put the point of his elbow into mymy goddamn Adam's apple when he was pinning me and permanently mutilate me.But to point, you don't let any non-wrestling people.And that even extends to managers and referees sometimes if you want something not only to look good,but to be safe, there's extensive verbal communication if a walkthrough is not possible.and it's kept very basic.And you have, I've never just let two,
51:25I mean, psychos too, he may have been training for a long time,but, you know, I don't know how experienced he might be,but you don't let really green people in there doing their own thing to each other.You have experience around them, whatever.This is completely unprofessional and totally bullshit.and small time outlaw mud show.They didn't care what it looked like.There's nobody there.
51:54They have no pride in what they're fucking doing.Let's just let this fucking guy fuck with this other guy.And what was,and he's,Roger Jackson is sitting there on the front rowand you can only see people on with two sides of the ring.I don't know if there's anybody behind where the fuck, right?And maybe there was 27 people there.
52:18But he's sitting there saying he's going to do all this.And then when he slides in and they shoot it and he does everything that he said he was going to do,nobody would have ever called that to begin with.So it's not like that they were making so.What was his impetus to do that?He had not even been in front of the meager audience that was there.There was no cause.for him to just suddenly jump in there and do that.
52:51They're just like, who the fuck is this guy?And if they're trying to make people believe it's real,then idiot Jackson has already told him that they told him to do that.But he's also told him that told the people watching his streamthat he's not going to do what they said.He's going to really fuck the guy up.So who was this for?It may be for the district attorney, we'll find out.
53:22I have a statement here, Jim.Please.This was put out by A.J. Mana.M-A., if that is how you pronounce it.He was the cowboy hat wrestler.I want to take a moment to address a recent incident and Knox Pro.By the way, it's such a stupid spelling.K-N-O-K-X.
53:42Knox Pro.First and foremost, my thoughts are with Psycho Stu,his family. No one ever wants to see a fellow performer get seriously hurt. There's been a lot ofspeculation online about my role that night. The truth is, I was in character and speaking...Oh, geez. Oh, come on! And speaking in the language of wrestling. Everything I said was part of the show,and I never intended or encouraged real harm. This was a situation I unfortunately,got out of hand due to a miscommunication behind the scenes.Wrestling is built on trust, respect, and protecting each other in the ring.
54:29That's what I stand for, and anyone who has worked with me knows that.I respect this business...Apparently Doug doesn't.I respect this business. I respect the fans,and I respect the performers who step between those ropes.I hope we can focus on Stu's recovery and makesure something like this never happens again.Yeah, this was the guy that Doug said was a skinny chicken-legged little bitch
54:56that had his ass kicked on a couple of fucking backyard fightsand wanted to get somebody that was halfway trained to do his fighting for him.Was Doug's description of the guy that just uttered that statement?And actually, from the interview I saw those were almost his exact words.But I thought he was very eloquent, yeah.Got down to the summation of the fucking thing.This is like Colin Thompson putting out that statement saying,here are ways we could help the creators and change the business.
55:26But anyway, so the thing is, is that obviously the WWE cut,they immediately dropped these people off all the social mediaand they don't have an ID deal for whatever that was worth anymore.But just again, as speaking as a person,who's offended as professional who used to own a legitimate wrestling training program,the fucking guy and his cameraman should have never been in the middle of the boys without beingcleared and having someone escort him to meet anybody he wanted to meet or do somethinglike that.
56:09Instead of just coming up and bullshit and shooting video on his own that wasn't cleared,when fucking stew hit the guy in the head with a can despite not having everything.anybody tell him to do that.Somebody should have calmed stew down and maybe told himgo home for the day at least.I don't know whose brilliant idea it was for thissurly fucking Roger Jackson,who obviously wasn't taking things in a fucking fun spirit
56:41to just suddenly jump into this matchand spinebuster this guy and even to do a spot.where he, again, what was the plan?Give him a receipt.Was that the spine buster that knocked him out?Or did they expect that he'd get on top of him and throw working punches?Did anybody show him how to do that or ask him whether he's going to do it?Or did they just leave it open to his interpretation as to how he should strike the guy once?
57:14And then he proceeds, do it 22 more times.and a guy from the back when there's motherfuckers in the ring,except for the teenage, the underage minor,whose parents should be in contact with the insurance company,if any, of this fucking outlaw operation.Besides the underage minor,the guy from the back of the building was the one to get in thereand do something about it while all these other motherfuckers
57:45were holding their dicks in their hands.that spot had to go through who?Who's running that show?Who's fucking that dog and who's just holding its head?Who is the person in chargeon behalf of the corporate entity that owns this fucking flea market?That said, okay, let's do that spot in this match on the show.What spot?
58:16This is a spot where he fucking takes him down and goes.God damn does whatever the fuck to him.Because the whole idea we're going to do something with us on the show.What were they going to do?This guy's not a trained wrestler.What was he supposed to do?That's what they said double leg him and get a receipt.That's what I'm saying.
58:31And who approves that to be a part of the fucking match?Or is this a hey kids, let's put on a show where the boys just come up with their own shit in their match?In which case, why the fuck is the WWE involved?Oh, I forgot.Family.well but they're not anymore but they were originally because of the fucking family so he putshis name on this and he lets this shit go on and by the way then hold on hold on i'm not even donewith the list yet god damn it now that i'm mad so then somebody allowed this to happen and
59:03thought they was going to get a receipt and then he gets 22 more and nobody will fucking come inand then the fucking guy comes in and pull and then the motherfucker covers even a referee counts ithave these people they are they are fantasizing that they are wrestlers there is no level there is no bar of competence anymorethere is no level of achievement it used to be a half-ray goddamn difficult thingto get into the goddamn wrestling business and you didn't come in thinking you were smartbecause you were internet smart there was no internet but if you thought you were smart you wereyou kept your mouth shut, and you had people that had been doing this for years and yearsteach you how the fucking thing worked.
59:58And none of these powder, they might be a veteran dehydrated alpha.He's 100 years old.He might be a veteran, but he's an idiot.If he's responsible for any of this, you can be a hundred years old and still be a goddamn nobody idiot.There is no excuse for this on any level that any kind of operation should be run like thisand the fact that now it is so easy for everybody to just call themselves.I'm a wrestler.I'm a professional wrestler.
01:00:31I'm a worker.And I'm working all the time, baby.In your fucking heads, you goddamn amateurs, I'm so sick and fucking fed up with this shit.None of y'all out there.I don't care how smart you think you are.You ain't as smart as you think you are to the fucking wrestling business.And whether it's the fucking guys,they don't want to fantasize that they're fucking wrestlers on the weekends
01:00:59and then goddamn drink beer and fucking shave half their heads on the fucking weekdaysto look like some kind of goddamn gimmick and parade aroundand say, I'm a big time wrestler or the fucking little jackoff localyokels that make Jack Feffer look like P.T. Barnumthat want to run these mud showsor the goddamn marks that want to dissect.Whose fault is?Well, he said he's going to get a receipt.
01:01:30You fucking morons on both sides of it.You're all fucking morons.You have a simpleton's understanding of this industrythat has almost been lost todaybecause everybody thinks they're fucking smart.So this wrestling school ought to be shut,fucking down.Roger Jackson ought to go to
01:01:51goddamn prison.I thinkthe family ofStushould file civilsuits againsteverybody that's involved in thisthat might have any kind of
01:02:05fucking homeowners insurance.At leastto cover anything,everybody, from the topdown, all the way up to rampagefor fucking impregnatingwhatever hyena spawned this goddamn simpleton.And then I think they ought to give 25% of it to fucking Doug
01:02:26for being the only fucking person to be of any help whatsoeverin the whole goddamn thing.I'm sorry, but I'm kind of just ticked off.And it's understandable.Speaking of Doug, the interview he did that we referenced earlierwas on the scaling up podcast.It's on YouTube.We encourage people who are interested to check out this video interview.
01:02:45They also put up graphics allegedlyfrom the schoolKnox Proto various studentsor wrestlersthat work with themencouraging themnot to talk to the police
01:02:57did you see that?Actually, no, I didn'tI missed thatbut maybe I did,well no,as a matter of fact,I saw a headlineand I didn't click on it.
01:03:07I just realized that now.Apparently encouraging themnot to cooperate with the policeand all the studentsor at least a good amount of themresponded,yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir, yes sir.Speaking of
01:03:20WWE,WWE has removedKnox Pro from itstalent recruitment website.The promotion has removedthe WWIID brandingfrom social media,and the WWIID Twitter account
01:03:34has unfollowedKnox Pro,Rikishi, and the head trainerBlack Pearl.So, WWE distancing themselves.It makes you wonder why they originallyevenjust associated with it.
01:03:48obviously the SamoansIt's a familyIt was a favorite of the familytied in but you knowMiro came out of that schoolI saw he tweeted out somethingbut you know a school is more than who owns itand you know that maybe a lot of people
01:04:03were spoiled over the years bywhat you were doing in OVW people like TomPritchard out there people took it all seriouslike you said everything you see on that videobeyond going past theattempted murder everything else was concerningjust in terms of thethe maintenance and operation
01:04:20of an alleged wrestling company,whether it's a promotion or a school.That anybody,that any of the,and I mean,okay,let's say that nobody was a realfucking fighter,
01:04:33Pinocchio and wanted to jump this guy,but they covered him afterwardsand somebody counted.And just the way that they talked to each other,it's all internet smart,outlaw,It's minor league. It's amateurish.It's, and that's the thing that's got so much publicity.
01:04:56Mainstream publicity, yeah.Mainstream publicity that they just say a pro wrestler, a pro wrestling event, and you look at that.And people, again, mainstream, they don't know the difference, whether it's WWAW, it's just pro wrestling.Look at these low rent, this bullshit that happened.wrestling.That's what gives the wrestling businessa bad name.And I'm sorry,
01:05:25there was a lot of OBW showsthat Danny Davis wasn't at. He was the owner.He was the,he was the Wizard of Oz, the man behind a curtain.There was a lot of shows he wasn't at,but he knew everything that went on.And there were people there,whether it was me or a few others in his absence,
01:05:45that would not have toleratedany of that and everybody up and down the card before they were even allowed to be out in publicin front of their first audience, their first match would have known the basic principles that Ijust outlined and none of that shit would have ever fucking happened.And that's just in the most basic of principles, their structure and protocol in the wrestlingbusiness and these people are just internet smart and fantasizing about doing shit on weekends.And yes, Miro may have come from there.And the reason why that they try to keep California wrestling schools on their radars because
01:06:31there's always some fucking fighter or want to be bodybuilder, or depending on the generation,when they wanted bodybuilders, they were in California.When they want fighters, they're in California.when they want fucking models they're in Californiabut once they get a John Cena was in Californiaand the rest of it once they find themthey get them the fuck out of there and then they train themthese get a lot of these guys
01:07:00unfortunately you knowthey're doing this on weekendsI'm so I don't mean to I'm offendedfor this fucking guy who didn't deserve to get his facebashed in,because he's not a goddamn Mensa member,and just the business,and the business of schools,
01:07:23and the business of how it has been prostitutedand how easy and simple it has becomefor anybody to act like they're a partof something that they would have never,ever been able to be a part of on merit before.I yield the floor.And we'll see what happens.obviously there's been a lot of mainstream coverage of this,
01:07:45and a lot of it has even centered on,when will this guy be arrested?What's actually going on with this?You'd have to think that,unless they're just going to ignore that video that just came out,that he has to be arrested.Who could do this and not,how can you do this and not be arrested?
01:08:04I don't know what it's taking this long.And did Rampage have the Connor McGregor money?They can just buy this all?I don't know if he could do it that quickly, because also I don't know if it's going to go away.You know, in the past, something like this, if this took place in a state in the South, this may destroy wrestling for anyone else wanting to promote wrestling in the state.That's the kind of thing that used to happen in the past.But, you know, we'll see what happens with all this.You got to think if there's any lawsuit, it won't just be Roger Jackson.
01:08:38It'll be the promotion.They allowed this all to happen for no good reason.No one did give me any reason why, hey, you know what,it would be a good idea if we do some kind of angle with Rampage Jackson's sonwho no one knows.I don't think so.Well, and again, as a matter of fact, I would be more than happy to lend a freeand uncompensated statement on behalf of a person who ran a wrestling school at a pretty
01:09:04high level, all the various things that they did that was unprofessionaland shouldn't have been done.And it's almost the list of everything they didpass brush their teeth that morning.Well.But Doug's my man.I like Doug.And again, you can see that interview that just went up last night, I believe,
01:09:29as we are recording.And that's that story.We'll stay on top of it.I just hit something here.We'll stay on top of it as we find out more information.Jim, it's always awkward.But why not go with it?You know, perhaps you're one of these guys.
01:09:46that thinks I'm a physical guy, I doMMA, I do boxing, I've always liked wrestling,whatever it may be, I want to go and be a wrestler.How many of these men would spend their time more wiselyif they just created some sort of concoctionand launched a website and started selling it to the worldand we know the perfect partner for this alleged concoction?Well, it depends on what kind of concoction now,
01:10:13because you can't make a concoction without cock,and there's no, you know, there's no limit to the thing.Well, it's just the thing you got to,you got to think it all the way through, see.But what about a potion or a lotion?A potion that could cause emotionand make you need lotion for motion.Whatever you want to make or produce, let's say.
01:10:37Production is the key.Control production.You got to have a market.You got to have a marketplace.You got to have somebody.You got to have customers is what you need.ultimately. And so in between the time that you make something, Brian, and the customer buysthat thing from you, there's steps you need to go through. And you need somebody on your side.
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01:12:50turns around and gets a hot dog.There's going to be no angels with hot dogsand of course they don't go door to door.It is something where they are there for youwhen you need them online.We're all commerce is done today.Oh, so they're there for you, but at a distance.They're not going to crowd you as what you're saying.
01:13:07You won't be crowded.You'll be able to operate your business the way you would.You'll be able to sell your products the way only youWell, don't tell them that.If they operate the business the way they will, they'll go out of business.They'll go broke.No, they need Shopify because Shopify is smarter than these knuckleheads out there.That's right.
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01:15:08Shopify.comslash JCE.Dearly beloved, we now have to travel to the UK for AEW's British spectacular Forbidden Door.In the past, it was filled with a lot of wrestlers from New Japan or CMLL,and it seems like that number shrinks every year.It was mostly AEW wrestlers with some of the semi-regulars that appear throughout the year on Dynamite.Well, now they all just pop up, so it's not like it's the once a year you get to,to see these people because they,
01:15:57and also there's not that many new people anymore,but some of these people are very old,but nevertheless,I think you hit the right tone there with the,it's like a cathedral setting type of thing.They're preaching to the choir, is what I'm trying to say.Because I actually watch this thing,the prime video doesn't bug me as bad as the Netflix, Brian.
01:16:23I get a little box at the bottom of the screen when I pause it and fast forwardedwhere I can see that I'm skipping shit that I want to skipand I'm not skipping shit that I don't want to skip.So it's handier.But it wasn't bad, the prime video.But the show is continuing to preach to the choir and I'm afraidthat the congregation continues to get just burn out on a lot of stuff.and they had a wonderful house in London, 18,900, whatever,
01:17:00the biggest wrestling crowd in the O2 arena history.They haven't killed London yet.The big show is still a big show for them over there.Over there, say a prayer,because the talent's over, the talent's over,and we can't get over unless we're over.there.They're doing the music hall in Cincinnati in the United States.
01:17:30They've got 18,000 people in England.But what did they have to do that was any different or even as good as the shit they've beendoing over here to lackluster crowds and diminishing response?Because they've burned everything out.And now they opened up forbidden door with.a great package for their audience because it all concentrate on the legendary and groundbreakingpartnership with New Japan Pro Wrestling and CMLL Global Stars, Action Highlights.The average person has no idea who 80% of the people in the action highlights that are called Global Stars are the open,
01:18:24didn't build stars, individual stars,on either the roster or this particular eventand or rivalries between same or explain them,the focus was on international wrestlers.Do you think that's a good mainstream strategyto try to get anybody involved in your program?Is that a question for me?Yes, that's a question for you.
01:18:56I mean, they're micro-targeting to a Tony con type fan.And that's why the fans who seem to like the booking, when the booking seems awful,the fans that seem to like promos sometimes when they just seem unbelievable and fake,there's a certain fan base that really likes his style of TV and nonstop matches where, you know,everything is a long competitivesquash match.Even on this show, there were a bunchof matches. You knew
01:19:34who was going to win.And you knew there was no reason they need to go20 minutes. TV matches.But it's all the time now.I almost wonder, would they loseany audience if instead of a 20 minute matchthat's a long competitive squash match, they putthree squash matches in that time?
01:19:51And it was just three wrestlers coming out there and looking good.But it's not the way they do things.And, you know, there's a lot of reasonsthat want to root for AEW and one AEWto be able to fight back against WW,but then you watch what it is,and then you hear Tony talk,and I watch the media scrum afterwards.
01:20:11He's so happy with himself.And he really thinks he is someone who has this down.And unfortunately, there aren't too many peoplein the wrestling business who think he does.It's micro-targeted.to the tape trader who went to message boardsand not even all of them.And the thing, he has tools here
01:20:36and besides the big house,because London, I mean, it's not,it's not Wembley, but still 20,000 fucking people or whatever.He has stars, he has people that are over with the audience,but it's like a jigsaw puzzle.This put together all wrong.And the first match,Edge's entrance. He comes out. He's still over over there. I won't sing again. And they cut his
01:21:04music and the whole crowd sang the last two verses. It's like a star has come out. And Christiancame out and he got a response to. And it's the reunion of Edge and Christian. And then herecomes Pip Sabian and the former.Well, she'll never drown.She's got that going for her.And they've substituted now our old friend Dino Dooch,Dush, Luchosaurus, who they are insisting on callingKillswitch, even though all the fans keep chanting
01:21:45luchosaurus at him because apparently that would disrupt the whole angle.I don't know why.And the fan stood there.The crowd was deflated.This was a TV match for Edge and Christian's reunion.And that to me is, you know, they've got this convoluted deal going on where are you?Well, you help me with Nick, who now his foot is broken.so now it's Dino and Pip, and I'll help you with FTR, but, geez, oh, Pete,
01:22:24nobody wants to see these guys.And Luchosaurus, they want to see him, but they don't want to see Kill Switch,and they want to see him switch, which apparently they're going to do,because this match, again, Edge and Christian return.You can tell a hundred stories, but not at the same.time. Not only did we get Edge and Christians' reunion, but also they had to put the lizards stuff overas a giant. They couldn't just completely, you know, make him secondary, but then they've stillgot to get over themselves, but then that means PIP gets the shit kicked out of him, but nobody
01:23:11gives a shit when Pips in the ring. When Pips in the ring, they're chanting.for the lizard to get back in the ring.Yeah, the fans may have sangEdge's song, but once the match got going,they were chanting for Luchosaurus the whole time.Well, yes, because, again,they want him to be a baby face.Well, then now, because Christian used to mistreat him,
01:23:35now for some reason, Pip, who's nobody in this thingand has no reason to disrespectLuchosaurus,starts slapping him to tag him and telling him what to do.And, you know, finally,the lizard grabbed Pip and threw him at edge,but the crowd didn't get it because of the way that they did it.There was no, I don't, there,
01:24:04there was ideas of good spots in here,but neither Luchosaurus nor Pip is a good bumping worker to take bumps.but as a psychologist, I don't know.And as we've said a million times,Dino's just the shits.He don't get it.And with the heel team not being a good team,the match died until, you know,
01:24:32finally they got into the go home part.And then Edge, the veteran, the biggest star in the thing,back elbowed Pipp in the corner and busted his eye open.I'm like, Jesus Christthey're all fucking crazy now.And thenDino chopped Pip off theapron of the ring and threw him in the ring,
01:24:55but Mama Wayne distracted Christianand Pip knocked Christian off the apronand they got more heat on edge.But then Pip went for a superplex on edgeand Luchosauruscomes under his own partnerand puts him on his shoulders and stands therewhile age comes off the top with a clothesline of doomsday device
01:25:20and the announcers were said,well,I wonder if that was on purpose.So fucking just picked the guy up and stood there and then stocked stillfor the other guy to hit him.And then that wasn't a turn.I don't know what they're fucking doing here.Oh, my God, I've got a cramp.
01:25:40oh i've got cramping my rib so man this whole thing's a rib and i've got a cramp then dino got out andreached for the tag from pip and got it after he allowed the guy to held him up to bedoomsday devised and then edge finally tagged christian and then christian did some shit andEdge and Christian double-teamed Luchosaurusand the fans sang something.I could not tell what.And it's still going on.Now, a bunch of back and forth,
01:26:19and then Christian boosted PIP up in the airand Edge speared him one, two, three.So it just, the good thing,there was no furniture.That was a good thing.And Edge and Christian didn't do anything crazyto potentially injure them.themselves, but the interaction between the heels, the heel team not, they're not a good team
01:26:47if they're trying to be a good team and they're not good enough workers to be a good teamwhile trying not to be a good team, if that makes any sense.And they drug it down.And to be honest, Pip and Nick wouldn't have been any better.Maybe if they'd have made it shorter and they'd have taken more bumps for Edge and Christian,but they probably wouldn't.they'd have probably still made it longand got a bunch of their shit in
01:27:13and their small childrenbut there you have ityou know I'm at the point where I hateCope's matches and I hate his promosbut I'm still happy for him when he gets to come out thereand his actual fans on both sides of the buildingand he can do his run around andlike feel like he used to
01:27:32I'm already sick of the people singing the musicmaybe I'm a cranky guyI don't know everyone sings everythingbut when they turn the music offand intentionally give it a long gapso people can keep singingand then they film the fansand their fans
01:27:47who are like their hands in the airlooking uplike it's Christian rock or somethinglike they're really into likeyeah like as they're singing itenough of thisbecause that's the problemit's going to be like Judas
01:28:00they're going to milk this every single weekwhere a minute of TV time's going to betaken up by fans singing at uswell in this caseit's better than Jericho singing at us.I still can't get over the idea that Nick Wayne'snot there and his mom flew across the country.I thought the whole idea she was there was because her son was hired.
01:28:17I don't, who knows?Yeah, you know, he's home laid up with a broken foot.I mean, she's going to miss, what, three or fourbreastfeeding sessions?All right, well, there's that.What do you think of, I mean, any other closing thoughts on the reunionof Edge and Christian? Obviously,we'll talk about the title situation later.
01:28:36There's a show coming up in Toronto.there was ever a spot to have two Toronto guys win a tag titles.Any other thoughts on these two guys reuniting?Well, but the thing is, they ain't going to win the tag titles,because FTR aren't the tag team champions.Spoiler alert.And their whole reason for reason de tre, as they say,is to now fight FTR, right, for stab and edge
01:29:09in the back.So Edgeand Christian against FTRis going to be a better match.Butthe tag,oh, fucking hell.We'll get to the tag team title.
01:29:21Because we got to do theTNT title first.Brian,did you,did you get a gandera little glance atCal Feltcher againstTakahashi?
01:29:32I did.I also saw Kyle Fletcherat the Fletcher.I can't even say his name.I also saw Kyle Fletcherat the media scrum afterwards, in a suit as well-spoken and behaveda wrestling ambassador as I've ever seen in one of these media scrums.I had to remind myself, he's this asshole heel with Don Callis.
01:29:55Well, but that is part of the problem here is that this guy has incredible genetics,athleticism, the physique, the size, the look.He's obviously intelligent.he's got some charisma he's got so much potential he's he's never going to learn anything here butthe bad habits that he doesn't already know he knows how to do the moves but he's not going to getany idea of why to do them and how to put matches together and how to book wrestling from thisnonsense he's in the middle of and he's againtoo inclined to go into the video game mode
01:30:41where you're just doing shit rather thanyou know, I mean, he's the next generationRandy Orton, maybe if he doesn't getbrain poisoning here.But they put him,yet again, you know, you said he came off greatat the press, whatever the case, whether heal or baby face,I don't know how long this match went.
01:31:04I zoned out for a while.but they put this kid as good as he looks and he's the TNT championand the best entrant from the forbidden door they could come up withwhat Takahashi is like 5 foot 6 pudgy fatwearing green tennis shoes and green tights with pink feathersand pink hair I what the is this a guy that's a star in Japanyou're more versed in that than I am.Why the fuck would he give,
01:31:43he's given away a footand a significant amount of athletic abilityand he looks ridiculous.Yep.This little pink marshmallow and he's powerbombingKyle on the floor and he's kicking his shit out of him.And it,who is this fucking guy?
01:32:06He's a long time regular for New Japan Pro Wrestling.He's been wrestling for a long time.Their fans seem to like him.Doesn't do much for me.Well...And this was a long squash match, what it should have been.Yes.It's a long...
01:32:25But it wasn't a squash match.Well, it was.That's the point.It was.Because you knew right away that he wasn't winning the TNT title from Kyle Fletcher.Oh, I know that.But a squash match is if Kyle...had just beat the shit out of him.
01:32:37Although, no, this little fucking pink Japanese marshmallowis beating the shit out of Kylefor a good portion of this thing.I mean, at least he can move.He's not like Tanahashi or Ishior the other fellowsthat are just encased in goddamn plasterand can't move.
01:33:01He can move around.He looked like shit.And then the finish.Spoiler alert.Kyle hits him with two great-lookingfucking kicksand the guy went downhe didn't even cover him,
01:33:14he picked him up,and the guy small packaged him.The guy just got his brains kicked out twice,small package, boom,then he pops up and then Kyle picks him upand brain busters him one, two, three.And I don't,who the fuck comes up with these fucking finishes?
01:33:35But anyway,you match your young star with a lump of shitand it's all he can do to beat himin 20 minutes. I don't know what more to take.Not you, Brian.Not the Royal You. I'm being accusedof anything. There's reasons why the doorwas once forbidden.
01:33:50I guess this match may beone of those reasons. You know, Jim, before we move on,yes. Can we just talkreal quick about the matchesthat you didn't mention, that youdidn't watch on the pre-show?I forgot about that.Again, they're in London.
01:34:05It's a lot of plane tickets, a lot of hotel rooms.It's a big show, but,And they had to be there for several days, right?Because they did Wednesday there.And then they did the Saturday or whatever the family.They were in Scotland.They actually, they've been traveling too.Wasn't it like they're just an 11th?
01:34:21They're just schlepping all over the country over there.Well, here are the matches that you missed.An eight-man tag team match.Oh, good.The Paragon of Kyle O'Reilly and Roderick Strong versus El Desperado and Yuya Umura.Am I familiar with him?Excuse me.they defeated crew of Action Andredi and Leo Rush
01:34:44and the Don Callis family of Hatchero and Josh Alexanderwith Lance Archer and Rocky Romero at Ringside12 minutes and 5 secondsThat is easily to from the United States to Englandthey just spent $15,000 just in plane tickets for that matchThe next contest, a triomatch, the Gates of Agony of Bishop Khan and Toa Leona, and Rikoshae defeated JetSpeed, and MichaelOku with his manager Amira Blair.
01:35:21They're local, so they don't have to be flown in.Nine minutes and 55 seconds.So there's another bunch of people.The next match on a pre-show, an eight-woman tag team match.Oh, good Lord!The Triangle of Madness of Julie.your heart, sky blue and teclaand Megan Bain
01:35:42with Penelope Forddefeated Harley CameronChris StatlanderQueen Amanataand Willow Nightingale11 minutes and 15 secondsdid you hear by the wayAmanada is stuck in the
01:35:59can't leave the country somebody stoleher bag with her passport in itnow she can't leave for likethree or four more days or somethingthey said on the internet so it must be trueI did not see that, but, you know, I kind of thought Drew McIntyre might have started a new trend of extending my UK vacation.But finally, Jim on the pre-show, the ops of Shabbata, Powerhouse Hobbs, and Samoa Joe.Defeated the Bullet Club War Dogs of Clark Connors, Drilla Maloney, and Robbie X with Gato.
01:36:33Seven minutes and 20 seconds.They're like 50 people on the pre-show.Well, that's, you know, and I was actually, I'm glad you brought that up because I forgot about the pre-show.Being an afternoon thing anyway, I tuned in at 1 o'clock and I was going to praise them because the show was only four and a half hours long.I realized now the show was six hours long.I forgot about the pre-show.Yeah, you missed also the awkward annual Martha Hart-Hart Tony Khan promo in front of the live crowd.That's never, never, never seem to the way it's supposed to.
01:37:07go. Does Martha Hart live in England now?No. No, but she's representing the Owen Hart Foundation, and this was a...I mean, I don't think she is. Maybe she is, and I just don't know. I had not...Why would they fly her? Why would she care to fly all the way from fucking Calgary toEngland just to come out and do a promo on a pre-show?What's a good time to go there before the weather turns?Well, speaking of turning, let's turn back to the, to the event. Brian, I'll ask you, whatdid you think of the big four-way women's contest with Alex Windsor versus Bozilla versus Persephone
01:37:50versus Mercedes Moon?Persephone, aka Persephone, and doesn't she just look happy to be there?She does look a little phony.The big takeaway was who's Bozilla?Someone that young, that big?Why hasn't WWE being all over that?Get that in the system?Well, now, don't say, excuse me, I'm saying it at all the way.
01:38:13Why ain't WWB all over that?You know, I'll tell you.No, but she was, I thought she was impressive, but I wasn't really into the match at all.Well, I'll have you know this is where I found out that I got my little goddamn boxso that I can fast forward to see what I'm missing.And I fast forwarded about 15 minutes and just decided to stop in and check.and I saw a triple superplex with a German suplex assistof all four of them off the fucking top rope,
01:38:45and I fast forward in another five minutes or so.That move always comes off naturally, doesn't it?Of course, and it's easy to set up instantly with that cooperation.And one of the girls went for a razor's edge on Mercedesand she turned it into a roll-up one, two, three.And that was with entrances of all these peopleand all their various tomfoolery,it was probably what,
01:39:07about 25 minutes or so of time.Did I miss any of the fine points?Like I said, Bozilla was the first time I've seen Bozilla.I've seen the name before.She seemed impressive.You know, for a division,whether it's AW, WWW, they need womenthat don't just all look the same.
01:39:29She stands out.I would keep an eye on her.Well, good.Let her go ahead and stand on out there for a whileand see if anybody notices her.You know, the next match on the card came as a surprise to me,because apparently they just told us about this on collision,which we don't watch.
01:39:48Or maybe they didn't tell us about it at all.I don't know.But is Nigel McGinnis still doing commentary on collision?I would assume so.I think so.Having a great time on Saturday night.Oh, quit now, for heaven's sake.I'm yinning.
01:40:04He, they prescribed him those hormones,and he speaks much more deeply now.No, I love you, Nigel, I miss you.And Nigel's a great guy.But suddenly on this pay-per-view,here's the IWGP world title on the linewith Zach Sabre Jr.Defending against Nigel McGinnis
01:40:28with Danny Garcia in his cornerbecause Nigel won a four-wayto win the title shotand I guess he beat Dan.or whatever the fuck.So we've already had a T&T title.We're going to have the AEW World Title.There's a unified fucking title going on around here.
01:40:50Now here's the IWGP World Title.And again, preaching to the choir.Can you look at Zach Saber Jr.As any wrestling fan across the United States of America,the width and breadth of this fine land,and tell me that any of them are going to buy this slightly built human Q-tipas the world champion of something important.Yes, he does a wonderful job mimicking the moves of the world of sport greats
01:41:29without any of the fucking grit and fucking look and goddamn grunting and ugliness of the salty oldBritish motherfuckers that did it,it just looks silly when a guy like Sabre does it.And Nigel is very good at it,but he's had one of the three wrestling matchesin the last 14 fucking years.And he's primarily an announcer,but suddenly he wins a match
01:41:57for a world championship of somethingthat's allegedly important.And to train for it,we see Nigel beating Johnny Saintin a chess game out in the park.and I get what they were going for it.It's nice to see Johnny Saint.But no, it's like, did,
01:42:17did Frank Gifford go back to play for the NFLafter he'd been doing the announcing for 10 years or so?No, no.And then we get to see Marty Jones and, you know,confused at ringside.We got to see the old legends,just looking befuddled at what is going on here.But that's,
01:42:40That's just the thing is that it's,it's the complete opposite of a garbage furniture match that they usually have.It's a dry, you had to watch it in the rain because they're,they're paying tribute again to the,the British style, but it's,Nigel has in his day,in his athletic peak,and he got a lot of his best years jacked out from under him for one reason or another,
01:43:06but he get hit hard and fucking,the snatch shit, but he's not going to fucking go out there at this time.Or with, I felt like he might hurt Saber.If he fell on him the wrong way, this little twink is so slightly built.You know, when he came out there, when he walked to the ring and he's wearing his jacket,I said, wow, it looks like he's actually put on some size finally.Good.And then he took off his jacket.
01:43:28I realized back to where we started.But I zoned out for a while because that's, that's the thing.And this slightly amused face that Sabre has when he's,He's supposed to be doing reversals of a guy trying to grab him in wrestling holes,irks me also.And then he reversed a sunset flip, one, two, three, and about another 20 minutes.I love the idea of doing athletic, technical-oriented matches amongst guys who are the practitioners of these things,but you can't do it in the middle of a six-hour show
01:44:10with a part-time guy and a skinny nobody,and then they just shake hands and hug.Okay.My favorite thing about the match was the post-matchbecause it looked like they may have been setting up an angle or something,and instead we got like kind of an awkward,everyone get out of the ring now, we have an announcement to me.Can y'all quit hugging and kissing on each other?
01:44:32We got to, yeah, we got to talk to Tony's there waiting on you,motherfuckers to leave.Right, didn't it seem like they were setting something up?Yes, well, that's what they were.They were trying to get Tony Shavati in the ring and talk about the big crowd,and they couldn't get to the fuckers.But, you know what, honest to God, and again, it's the classicEddie Graham used it as the example of a great athletic wrestling match that never
01:44:58drew money on top was Billy Robinson and Tony Charles, but I would love to see them in theirearly 40s on a show like this to just have the people go out of their minds.And it's like watching to compare with those guys back then and even the JohnnySaints of the world, they were a little smooth.I liked the more smash mouth style that some of the salty bastards had.But it's a difference in watching a big time magician in Vegas and a guydoing like the local magic show equivalent of dinner theater.They're doing the same thing, but it just looks so much more real.
01:45:46Anyhow, then suddenly, Brian, without warning,as these things usually do when they happen suddenly,they also happen without warning.Fekla and Queen Wai Aorta got a fight in the back of the buildingand fought into the arena.But Julia Hart and Blue Sky came out and jumped the queen.And then Jamie Hater came out and ran all the heels off by herself.The end.
01:46:19I get was that they just, they have unfinished business from the pre-show.They said they've been fighting for quite some time.It started during that multi-person match or multi-woman match in the pre-show.And Jamie Hater, we haven't seen her a little while,not necessarily wearing the samegreen to-do that she was wearing last timebut still it seems kind of like a retroI'm just working hard as a waitress
01:46:45in like 1972kind of looking gimmick with the hair and everything elseI don't know what they're doing with Jamie HaderShe's just doing the best she canBelieve it or notThey could bring backI was about to say Vic TaybackThey can bring back the butcher as their Vic Tayback
01:47:02And have him manage herjust a hardworking womanbringbring take back backbring back taybackbring back taybackyesand then right back
01:47:15I'll try to make it all about himall rightso anyway the tag team titlewas on the line folksin a three waytag team matchand a shocking conclusionthat nobody ever could have predicted
01:47:30FTRversus the Hurt Syndicateversus Bandito and Burger King.I'm sorry, Brody King.I misread my nose.Well, same thing.And there was no MVPwith Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin.
01:47:49The announcers,I was waiting for a whilethat I zoned out,but they never mentioned his name.They did immediately at the top of the contest,and reiterated at least a time or two during the match,well, now the match can end without the champions even being involved.Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
01:48:15You know, winks as good as a nod to a blind man, Brian.They don't have to be involved.They don't have to be in the room.Exactly.They got as far away from the system.Yes, they get as far away from the scene of the fucking...But so,again we're wondering why that if envy and somebody said well MVP was never supposed to be there why why we'd like to know and if everything was cordial and they come up with an excuse for every everything else when they said oh MVP missed his flight his flight was hijacked and flown to Cuba of what is something something something something something
01:49:02we need to keep an eye on this thing here.And even if it's nothing, it looks stupid.They didn't say anything.Because he's part of the fucking deal.MVP missed his flight, anything.Just say something.You can't just pretend he was never there to begin with.So then they ring the bell
01:49:21and it's immediate six way with the other four teaming upon Lashley and Benjamin all on the floorand the camera's missing shit.And they do that for a couple of minutes.and then they just all get up on the ring and start a regular matchwith only two guys in the ring and all the other guys on the apronand taking tags.After the announcers and say, well, there's no tags involved in this.
01:49:43They don't know what the fuck they're doing.It's driving me crazy.So then Shelton and Bobby beat up everybodyand the fans are, Chan, we hurt people, we hurt people.They've got stars here,and they haven't been able to figure out anythingfor them to do to it anyway make a goddamn contribution to the fucking gate.And then they got heat on Bandito, but FTR wouldn't tag Bandito.
01:50:18They dropped down and refused his tag because their heels too trying to get,you know, back in the old days, Brian, in the four-team elimination matches they used to have,if you refused a tag, it was an automatic disqualification.That's how you could get the fucking combinations you needed to get in.They had no choice, but nevertheless,finally, Bandito tagged Burger King,and there was a big pop,and Shelton tagged Dax,
01:50:48and King made a big comeback on FTR.And then there was a face-off with Lashley and King,and the people roared,and they traded forearms and a couple of tackles,and Lashley spined bustered him,and he popped up and leveled Lashley.And then Seltin came in a suplex to everybodyand gave Brody three Germans.
01:51:15And then somehow Brody King and Cash gave Shelton the Shatter machineinadvertently together.And then, oh, and,Bandito picked up Dax and back flipped him off the top rope onto everybody.But it looked like he basically, they hit the floor.He just flipping Power Slam Dax off the top rope to the floor.I hope they think this shit's worth it.But then suddenly three guys in New Japan wrestling hoodies jump the Hurt
01:51:55business, a hurt syndicate, and they fight off out into the,fucking hinterlands.And the matchkeeps going on.And then we find out that thehoodie guys arericochet and his two stooges,whatever their fucking names are.
01:52:16Well, but in the meantime,Dax, it just knocksBrody King over the headwith a chair against a two count.And then they keep goingand they try to dothis fancy finish. And by the way,the herd business,
01:52:34Hurd Seneca,can I keep doing that?They fight off with the hoodie guys,and the hoodie guys are back out there.The herd's just left.You never see them again.As you mentioned, they weren't even there.So Bandito foils FTR
01:52:51when they're going for their superplex splash,and Bandito splashed Dax off the top rope.And right there,he could have coveredbut he didn't.He gets up and runs to the far turnbuckle,and Brody King squirms into place on his ass,so he can get in the right place,
01:53:13and Bandito runs,and Brody monkey flips Bandito into a 450-degree splashonto Dax that he kind of missed,but he landed there and he had the leg,and the referee goes down to count one,two and Bandito let gothe legand started to roll off
01:53:37and then grabbed him again,got back on himand the referee countedone, two, three again.And the other wrestlers were like divingthey didn't know what to do.They're like mid diveas all this like fell apart at the end.
01:53:50So it was a horrible finish.The hurt business,hurt syndicateare the only stars in this thingand they justthey can,the Bandito and BrodyKing couldn't take the simple win that they actually executed.
01:54:07They had to fucking do that and fuck it up at the last minute.And as you said earlier,it'd be great to have Edge and Christian against FTR for the title,but instead we got it on Frick and Frack here, the odd couple.And so the guys that are going to face Edge and Christian next on a big show just got beat.by people notEdge and ChristianYour thoughts
01:54:41Tag title changeHurt SyndicateNot even in the room when it happensThat says a lotThe rumors were that they didn't want to put over FTRFor whatever reasonWe'll see what we can find out about thatThe only thing I'll say that
01:54:55Could in any way justify getting the belts off themWas that it's clear thatAEW is going to have a big problem with baby faces right nowbaby faces who can work on top who are overwho aren't going down with injuriesI don't know if Tony's going to pivotand all of a sudden push Lashley or Sheltonlike that
01:55:16but if there was ever a time to it maybe nowwhere Ospreys hurts, swerve may be hurt,Omega can barely work.Then why not take advantageto the fact people already chanting for themand just turn them baby face while they're the champions?I think they kind of did maybe in their own way.I'm not even sure.
01:55:33No, they just, I think they worked out something that Bobby and Shelton weren't insulted bywhere they could just not even be around when everything happened.Well, there it is, new tag team champions, Brodito.See, they needed MJF after all.MJF could have stopped all this.You know what?That falling apart ended up costing them, but you know what else may have costed a herd syndicate here?What's that?
01:56:05You know, travel, jet,leg, I don't know what kind of hotel Tony's putting the wrestlers that he's mad at in.A good night's sleep is always important for the average day, let alone an athletic endeavor,and maybe because the Hurt Syndicate didn't have their mattresses from Helix sleep,let alone their manager, maybe that's why, well, they really didn't do anything wrong.They got a tackle off the building.They didn't get pinned or anything.They actually, they just wanted a good night's sleep and...
01:56:32They just wanted to go to bed.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah, come on, you know what I'm talking about.No, we don't.But I'll tell you this, ladies and gentlemen,they would have had an easy time whipping those guysbefore the other guys came out,
01:56:46the guys in the hoodies that they fought off with.They would have already won the matchif they'd had a good night's sleep.But you know how it is.When you're going to a foreign country,there's the time difference,you're zoned out in the international zone,and you got the jet lag and the big swollen cancels.
01:57:05And you can't sleep on those, even in first class these days,those cattle cars of the air that they call commercial airlines,you can't crack back, crack, crack back or crank back all the way flatand being sleeping like you're sleeping in the arms of the angels.Instead, you're in a lumpy recliner type apparatus with no leg room,and you're all cramped up.That's why that the Hurt Syndicateor anybody else that takes those flights,
01:57:38they can't walk straight for months.But if you can't walk straight,it's your own fault because you're not sleeping on a good mattressor flying overseas.And across the intercontinental time zones,you just need to call Helix or write to Helix.Actually, go to Helix on the internet.Helixleep.com.
01:57:57That's where you're going to go because no more.Are you going to go without a good night's sleep?Brian, you know,If you got night sweats, you got back pain, you got the jimmy legs,you like to sleep on a firm mattress because of your aches and pains or a soft one because of your aches and pains,they can help you out with whatever you need, ladies and gentlemen.They can give it to you hard or they can give it to you soft.They can give it to you short or they can give you a real big one.
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02:01:30would have been an amateur compared to thetype of carnage that these AEW wrestlerswreak on people.The big title, one of the big titleswas up next, Brian, the unified title.It was unified betweenwhat was it, the continental titleand the champion title.
02:01:52I can't fucking remember.But this is, has there been a match not for a title yet?Hold on besides the pre-show.The first match was Edge and Christian's reunion.They ain't got no belts.But then the girls, the TNT title was on the line.Oh, Kyle, the IWGP World title, was the four-way girls title.There was a girl's title in that, wasn't there?
02:02:20TBS, yeah.Yes, yes.And then the tag title.title and then the unified title swerve versus oblada and the thing that i wrote right as they wereringing the bell i wrote will this guy work for 18,000 people or still lay on his ass and boy howdyhe's still on his ass he just can't do it can he swerve was trying swerve was working hardthe fans like him.He had nothing to work with here.
02:02:58It's just...Stacey came in.And, Brad, do you remember who that I saidthat I compared...This was months ago when Okada first showed up?Do you remember who I compared his work toand you scoffed at me?Oh, geez. I do not, no.
02:03:17You remember me saying it,you remember scoffing, but you don't remember who it was,I bet, don't you?I remember you're saying we think of Japanese Elon Musk.I don't remember a wrestling.Well, no, that was a different time.I said physique-wise at his work, he reminds me of David Flair.Oh, you did say that, yeah.
02:03:34Well, and Stacey came in.This was a year ago, I said that, right?Stacey walks in, sits down, watches this two left-foot motherfucker for about 30 secondsand said, he reminds me of David Flair, except David was trying.He was trying to work hard.So it's fascinating in a waywatching this guy try not to do anything morethat is absolutely necessary and barely that.
02:04:09But it's just, it's slow, it's boring, his shit is phony for the most part.He gave Swerve a DDT on the stairs, but when Swerve went over,he kicked the camera guy.Does that mean they're going to get another lawsuit?The fucking cameraman,a dangerous position around there.I zoned out for a while.It seemed like it went forever.
02:04:31There was some choreography,and at one point,swerve climbed up to the top ropeto help Okada drop his own kneeon the top turn buckle.And finally,Okada closed line swerve and beat himone, two, three, clean, fair,
02:04:49right in middle of the ring.And then he went crazyand put his knee between the stairs and the ringand hammered it with a chair.And goddamn, here came Nana running outbecause he couldn't be at ringsidebecause that's not allowed in this particular kind of match.And he ran out with a lead pipe.
02:05:15But now before we go any further,because it does go further,people are going to say, well, Swerve is really hurt,which he is.and he's going to have time off, which he is.So why shouldn't Okada beat him clean?Because he's a fucking heel.What good does it do?
02:05:35Then Okada, besides the fact that he's unimpressive and looks like shit,but the unimpressive guy that looks like shit just beat one of your top baby faceswithout even cheating.And swerve's going to come back eventually.So what the fuck?How does it help Okada to get any heat?Well, he just beat him.Then he takes him out there and breaks his fucking leg.
02:06:02For no reason.And then as Nana has run off the perpetrator with the lead pipe,here comes Wardlow.And Wardlow comes out from the crowd and gets at a ring and levels Nana.And beats up not a Wardlow has just returned.after a year and a half or whatever,and he looks like he ate.Goddamn, the city of London.
02:06:35He's bursting the seams on every piece of his clothing.But he beats up Nana.And since Swerve only has one leg, he has to lay there and watch.While Wardlow beats up Nana and that beats up securityand hugs Don Fowless, who he joined the Fowless family.What the fuck was this?people have been worn Wardlow back for all this timebut they debut a monster,
02:07:05whether a monster baby face or a monster heelby beating up a managerafter another heel has already done the damage to the top fucking star.What sense does this make?Brian, help me.Oh, it doesn't.Also, when you're down on baby facesand you have someone who's one of your biggest baby faces
02:07:26for a time return,and they just become another guy in the callus family,which is just a ramshackle group of people.Just random heels put together,half of them don't do anything.Lance Archer is like a valet at this point.So, yeah, it's questionable.And again, Swerve lost the match,
02:07:50and then for reasons we don't understand,he was attacked brutally.And then they did this angle there.Well, it took to cover up.he's going to go have his knee worked on or whatever.But they could have concocted.Yes, but they concocted no logical reason why that happenedafter he'd already beat the fucking guy.
02:08:10And now we have Heel Wardlow with Takesha, Kyle Fletcher, Lance Archer,Rocky Romero, Trent.Who else is in this fucking group?Did you see when Take a shit came out and stared at Wardlow?And you know around here when people stare at other people,people. That means something.So what does that mean? They're going to turnTakeshta baby face? I don't
02:08:33fucking know. And who wantsto see Takeshta versus Wardlow?Nobody.Welcome back Wardlow.I thought it was just me.He looked a lot bigger. You saidkind of what I was thinking. No, and I don'tmean bigger as in he's been doing nothing but
02:08:51training and eating tuna. I meanbigger as in he's on the gasand the carbs.He's thickereverywhere,unhealthy looking thick.And I see, that's the problem I think, too,when he started taking off his jacket and everything
02:09:07and doing the beat down, I didn't think the beat down looked good.Well, no, he could hardly get the jacket off to begin with.His arms are so big, and then he's, he's,somebody shoved an air hose up his ass and just blown him up like a parade float.Anyway, speaking of parade floats,the next match was a girl's match.I don't know really why that.It just seemed good at the time that transition.
02:09:36Tony Storm wrestled Athena, Brian, and, you know,remember I said that I could fast forward and I'd see a little box where I could skipall the shit that I wanted to skip.This was one of the shits that I wanted to skip.Did I miss anything till I get to the finish?Probably not.It went a little while, and apparently there are people who really like Athena,but I guess I just don't see what other people see in her.
02:10:07Well, that's because you can't look down deep, Brian,and see a person's true value.Or you just don't give a shit.One of those things.Well, Billy Starks was going to hit Tony Storm with a chair,but Mina stopped her and they ran off.And then Tony Storm got a choke and Athena tapped out.Now Tony Storm was a goddamn,
02:10:33member of the Gracie family.But now, Brian, I'll have you know it was time for another world title match.This one for the actual world title of the company that's promoting the pay-per-view, which was refreshing.The AEW world title, MJF versus Hangnail Adam Page.And unfortunately, MJF, the challenge.during this when he comes out,he was introduced as theCMLL world champion.
02:11:11They just had the NJPWWorld Champion, and they justhad the unified champion,and they just had the TNTchampion, and nowanother world champion is going foranother world champion's world championship.So anyhow,
02:11:37do they desperately needa legitimatelythey need their world champion to be the top star in the company.And right now it's not.And even with Moxley it wasn't.And I'm hard pressed to figure out who the top star is in the company anymore.That I would have said Osprey needs to be the champion.But now since he's goddamn going to have surgery and be out for who knows how long
02:12:10or to what extent.Maybe it's good they didn't,but how long has it been sincethe world champion in this company was alsothe top guy on the roster?A while.I can't remember.Did Punk hold this belt at one point
02:12:31or did he ever get there?Yeah, no, I think he held it a couple times, didn't you?That would be the last time then.That both the world championhas been the top star in the company.MJF is goodHe needs something to work withYou've always got to do some of the other guy's shit
02:12:53And Paige does the same shit all the timeMJF, his aura has been diminishedHis booking has been rottenHe doesn't have the heat he used to haveBut he can still think to put some things togetherThat make a little half-ass senseBut he always has to workwork with another one of these children.
02:13:15And this wasback and forth. I can't go blow by blow on this because it gotridiculous. But amongst my observations,Paige doesn't fight from underneath well.A baby face that can fight and sell andbe an underdog and get sympathy, that's not,either he fights from underneath and the shit's weakor he does too much and kills the fucking heat.
02:13:42before the comeback at his timing is offwhere he's either too quick or too slow.MJF has the facials,he shows personality as the body language.Page is always scowling boo-boo faceand he does the same shit.He's got,he had to do the thing where he
02:14:05knocks MJF out on the floor,takes forever to climb to the top rope,doesn't even look backwards,backflips and MJF has to stand there like an idiot and catch him.MJF's hammerlock DDT should be a finishbecause it looks better than most anything anybody does there.I don't even know if he's ever gotten a fucking win on TV with it.At one point, Paige Tombstone's MJF on the floor
02:14:37doesn't even try to win he takes time to position the tableand pick MJF and dead eye MJF off the apron through the table,then roll him in the ring, cover one, two,and MGF gets his foot on the ropes.Now it's ridiculous.And, you know, I know MJF knows he's going to get his money from this guy either way,the billionaire, but I'd rather not sit out a year and a half or twowith a broken neck because of this idiot wants to do this,
02:15:13goddamn hardcore bullshit.Certainly, I would not think that it was MJF's idea,hey, give me a dead eye through the fucking table.Jesus Christ.And then they continue the match because that couldn't hurt anybody.Page then gets very little color from two different placesfrom being run into the post or whatever.And then MJF,
02:15:43tombstoneed him on the broken table.Or did they, did they break a table on the floor?Yeah, no, they, they were, they broken when he did the tombstone.Yeah, they broke it with the dead eye.Then they left the broken one sitting there so they could use it again.They didn't get another table.And then, so that doesn't get the tombstone on the broken table by MJF,page gets back in the ring by the count of 10.
02:16:10So MJF pulls the buckle pad off and gets run head first into it.five seconds later and gets a lot of juice.And the fans chant, you deserve it.But again, it just got run into the fucking,nothing can beat anyone.And then they tried to do a tombstone reversalthat another match had already done earlier in a night,but Paige dropped him anyway.
02:16:41They did a spot actually that got the fansand it was a good wrestling spot,the multiple cradles.Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,multiple cradles over and over,one count, one count, one count, one count,then the double bridge, then the dead eye,in the ring, two count.
02:16:58That got the people.That's wrestling.But you can't be doing that after you,you dead eyeed a motherfucker through a fucking tableto the floor.And then suddenly you're doing goddamnLes Thornton reversals.And then MJF pulled the diamond ring out
02:17:18and set it on the mat and wanted Paige to hit him with it, to get disqualified,because he threatened to set Mark Briscoe on fire last week, Brian, as you'll recall,Paige agreed that the bell could change hands on disqualification.You remember that.Right.He saved the life of Mark Briscoe.And he also agreed to MGF said he doesn't have to execute his contract.he still got the contract and all that stuff, but blah, blah, blah.
02:17:52Correct.So now he wants Paige to get disqualified.So Paige won't pick up the ring and hit him with it.So he spit on Page.And Paige wants to hit him.And finally he just spit back on MJF.So then MJF pushed Paige into the refereeand then kicked him into balls, gave him the heat seeker,
02:18:15covered him one, two.Page gets his foot on the ropes,referee counts three, but the referee is still down and he didn't see the foot on the ropes.Okay, we've got a disputed decision here. What's going to happen? Mark Briscoe's music plays.Mark Briscoe starts coming down the aisle. But security stops him. He doesn't come to the ringto fucking tell the referee what happened to restart it. He gets stopped bysecurity punches a couple of them and they drag him out.Now we go back to the ring where MJF has just been staring at what Briscoe's doing.
02:19:01Page's foot is still on the rope.He's never,MJF goes to move it and the referee sees it before he can't.Now it's been a minute and a half.Can I tell you that referee's been pissing me off?His stuff with MJF is over the top.The fact that he dove in.bad.
02:19:19You know, I see the leg now two minutes after it happened.That's ridiculous.It were expected to believe Paige was unconscious and immobile for a minute and a halfwith his leg on a rope.Or if he was awake, then why would he go to, hey, referee, let me hear him a foot's on a row.God damn it.It would make sense if Briscoe had come out and stooge it off.But they'd drop that ball.
02:19:46So then the referee shoves.MJF into Page's clothesline.Page goes for a buckshot,MJF ducks it, andmule kicks Paige into balls and schoolboys.He gets a two count.I'm like, what the fuck go home?His head isn't vulnerable, his balls aren't vulnerable.
02:20:09Nothing will beat anybody.And then MJF slid the belt in.The referee picked it up and immediatelyturned his back to hand it out.and MJF hits page with the contract in the metal case.Cover, two count.Jesus, 30 minutes into this thing.MJF pulls out the ring and swings and the referee catches it.
02:20:38But he doesn't disqualify MJF.He just catches the fist.And then when he gets the ring away,MJF turns around and Page hits MJF with the contract,which the case breaks.There's pages everywhere.Then he hits a dead eye and a buckshot.One, two, three, and the referees amidst the wreckage of the...
02:21:03Oh, God.It just, it was better than most Adam Page matches,but, geez, nothing can beat anybody.Page is just bland as fuck.and they're finishedthat they're too long and too busyare their finishes.That's basically
02:21:28my presumption of this.31 minutes, 40 seconds.Jesus Christ.We'll maybe talk a little bit later.Tony had some comments about this contractand the future of people turning in a contractto get a title match during the media scrum.But we'll see what happens next.
02:21:49Obviously, this unfinished businesswith MJF and the Hurt Syndicate.Obviously, Adam...Is there?Are they just going to forget about it?Who knows?And obviously Adam Page is indestructible,although incredibly boring at the same time.
02:22:04And that's that.Well, are you ready for the main event, Brian?How could you not...The main event of the evening?Lights out.Lights out, and boy, I wish I'd have had to watch it in the dark.The 10-man cage match extravagance.with Darby Allen,
02:22:24Tanahashi, Kenny,Idushi, and Ospreyagainst the Hardley Boys,Dick the Boozer, Claudio, andGabe Kiddwith Wheeler useless andMarina Schaefer in the corner.And
02:22:44we already know that Ospreyis, this is last match forhowever long, because he's going to haveto have the neck surgery.And so he entered last for the baby faces with the career video and the hoop lot,his girlfriend voiced over the video.And he's a hometown guy, a home country guy.He got a huge reaction.
02:23:10And from that kind of crowd, the Osprey, Osprey on the entrance was impressive.They could have had a year of this guy as their champion.but they bungled it from the start.He came in as a heel and a heel group and then he just asked out and they let him.And then all this just nonsense that he's been involved in.And now they've lost his services.And of course, being that this is a match where the indie guys can't get out of their own way,they're already, they're in a giant cage that surrounds all of ringside as well.
02:23:48but they've got ladders and tables set up around ringside inside the cage already set upmarks it's a theme here this week with wrestling they're all marksnone of them are smart to the goddamn essence of the principle of the business they're justmarks want to do fun shit till they need spinal surgeryand they did a comedy entranceat a cage matcha lights out cage matchthey do comedy
02:24:23with the buccaroosnot having theirtheir musicand then they played itsome songthat was supposed to betheir first ever musicthe announcer said
02:24:34like anybody would knowwhat fucking musicthese two gibroniesused 20 years agoon outlaw showswhat was that evenwhat was that musicyou even remember
02:24:46I'm not sure, no.There are flashes in the pan that got hot for an internet audience,and they've now presumed that their household names,and their pan flashed out a while back.And then they just start,then a crazy match inside the cage.They're on the floor, they're trading chops,that Moxley's got a Kendo stick.
02:25:15Osprey does a dive, Darby does a dive,it's the greatest hits of all the stuff that they do.The Hardley boys and Kenny and his buddy did their cheerleading.And for some reason, three minutes in,they did a spot where Darby and Moxley were handcuffed each other,but Claudio broke the handcuffs.And then it was never a factor again.you've got heels outsmarting the baby faces,
02:25:47especially Kenny and Idushy.When they would try fancy shit, they'd get outsmarted.So that's psychologically ridiculous.And then Nikki, one of the buckaroos,goes to dump out a sack of thumbtacks,but they were gummy bears.Then Nick acted like he was scared to take a buckler,bump in.
02:26:15And TonyChivani's over there.Oh, this is wonderful.Shut the fuck up, Tony.It's not my fault.You needed the moneyto have to do this fucking drek.You're older than I am.
02:26:27You had afucking background.Just admit it's shit.It's embarrassing.The heelshit people with the ladder and bustedthe side of Darby's head openor Tori's, I think they tore his
02:26:42ear ring out that he's stupid to wear into the goddamn matches. Because when they powerbonded himinto the ladder and he sprung back off of it, he grabbed his ear real quick. It wasn't like ablow that would bust you open like a temple bone. It was like something got caught and ripped outof his ear. So that way later on, Moxley could stick his fork in it. Jesus Christ.Osprey was trying to sell like a wrestler in the middle of this garbage at one point.And he'd get it going, but then they'd stop him and it'd be shits again.Nick bungled up a jump off the top rope, the Hardy Boys or Hardly Boys or Buckaroos or whatever.Beat up Ibushi.
02:27:38Tanahashi just disappeared, which was a blessing.because the poor thing is the crippled, he can't walk.Then they beat up Darby and duct taped him to a chair.And that's when Moxley gouged his bloody ear with a fork.I wrote in parentheses,I despised this garbage person talking about Moxley.And then Claudio slammed Darby while he was taped to the chair.And then they pulled out a barbed wire covered table.
02:28:12But meanwhile, some of the stooges outside the cage had built a two-story four-table double stack.Moxley bladed for the barbed wire.I wrote, this is so fake, stupid, and dangerous, why I get hurt for this trash.Moxley fell into the wire table.People dove.Then everybody stood around lost.It wouldn't end.Oh, that's what Osprey climbed up to the top of the cage and back.
02:28:45flipped off on to everybody.He's havingsurgery already anyway, so what the fuck?And thenKenny and kids started trading fakeforearms so Kenny could make hisfaces. And a bunch of peopledid shit over and over.
02:29:04And thenlet me see if I can describe this.Moxley climbs out of the cagewith the help of Wheeler,but Darby goes upand climbs up and catches Wheeler, and Wheeler takes the bump onto the announced desk off theside of the cage. But then Darby got out of the cage. He went, he climbed all the way out and wentback to the, down to the floor and beat Moxley with a Kendo stick and laid Moxley on the first level of
02:29:37the tables, but went to the top of the cage so he could jump off, but Gabe Kidd nutted him,and Moxley movedand Kid and Darby just jumped off togetherto go through all four tablesand Gabe Kid should be injuredfrom the way it looked like he fellthat wasn't the endthen there was more choreography
02:30:06at a hundred miles an hourand then Kenny and Osprey hitMaddie with a goodgood looking double team.And like that, that could have been it.But then time stood still while Tanahashi drug his crippled ass to the top ropeand took forever to balance and stood up tentatively.And halfway splashed and halfway just fell forward and splashed him one, two, three.
02:30:43They gave Tanahashi the way.They can't even get their.own goddamn talent over on some of their biggest showsbecause they have to insert these crippled motherfuckers.It was like you ever see footage of old man, Mill Moschorus,doing his high crust body, and it just like he falls off the rope.And he's about half his age.So, the baby faces one.
02:31:09Then everybody leaves Osprey in the ring to get his ovation.Fans seem happy.Fans are happy to give Osprey his moment, knowing he'll be gonefor a while. They're singing for him. They're playing the music. And then I'm, wait, what?I wrote seriously more heat. I heard some of the cable systems. They milked it long enough.Some of them went off the air. I don't know what percentage, but some went off the air beforethey got to this. But the heels got on Osprey and locked him inside the cage. Now the rest ofbaby faces are out of the cage they've locked him inside the cage and they beat the shit out of him
02:31:51with the repeated DDTs and marina shaffer climbs the cage to get in as she's in all the babyfaces are standing out there plus joe and hobbs and shapoopee and moxley puts the chair aroundosprey's neck and stomps it everybody a minute ago even the girls were climbing the cage willy-nillynow nobody can climb the cage.They're screaming, raise the cage, raise the cage.We just literally saw four or five people climb up and over and out of the cage.Why can't they go the other way?Why can't it just be raised?
02:32:31Well, when it finally was.Was Oly Anderson controlling the remote control for the cage?No, the black scorpion.Who had it?But when they did raise the cage, the heels just scurried away and the baby faces didn't do any of this.Sort of maybe they all trained at Knox Pro Wrestlingbecause they didn't do shit to help their friend.Because now Osprey's going to be out,
02:32:55swerve's going to be out.Other people are out.Maybe MVP's out.Maybe the hurt business is out.Maybe they're out of business.Maybe they got disgusted and just said,fuck it, we're leaving.Even if Osprey's hurting going to be out for a while,
02:33:14this seemed like a bad way to end the show for the people there.It took the heart out of the room, it seemed like.Yes, you can't blame the heels.He's already told people he's going to have neck surgery.He said, I'm going under the scalpel after this,and I don't know if I'll be the same, but I'm going to leave it all in the ring.So he should have goddamn got the pen.He got his hand raised in front of his home audience.
02:33:45and got the thank you.That's what they came to do.You don't need to have somebody attack the guyand drop him on his head 15 timeswhen they've already said he's got a hurt neck.How much more hurt does it have to be?Everything doesn't, that's...Tony, because of Tony's condition,
02:34:13whatever that may be,whenever they have the ability to scan,brains and find out exactly what causes things.Tony thinks there has to be some storyline reasonfor shit, even when people already know the real story.And the only reason there was ever a storyline reason to cover for injuriesis if people didn't know the real goddamn story.Oh, shit, I got to have surgery.
02:34:48it's just popped up, let's do an angle, give me a pile driver.Not, oh God, I've got to have surgery.I'm telling the world, I'm going to have surgery,and then the heel comes out and gives me a pile driver.The foot side.I've got a cramp again.Well, Jim, that was AEW.Forbidden Door 2025.
02:35:13They'll be returning to Wembley Stadium next yearto build upon the amazing ground swell support they've received from the London fans.But Jim, perhaps you.you're a fan of good professional wrestling, angles that aren't insulting,promos that are good and feel natural, guys who can work without going to a yayboo spot at the end of their match, I'm so sick of that.Perhaps you just want to sue.Oh!
02:35:41Well, perhaps if you do want to sue, then I know for you the right person that will dothe job that you need.him to do. And that is this man. Play the music. Call Stephen P. Newney. A mud show for two.Yes, that's right, ladies and gentlemen, the law office of Stephen P. New at new law office.dot com.877.5-0.Steve is going to be
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02:37:30Lawoffice.com, 877-50 Steve.But Jim, before we wrap things up and get out of here, we have a few little bits of audio.We'll be back to the normal drive-thru next week with guest to program questions, music, and so much more.Yeah, as long as there's no attempted murders making the news or things like that are crazysituations that we have to weigh in on.We'd rather be talking about the fun stuff instead of the outlaw mud show bullshit.yet, but here we were this weekend.I hit the wrong note, and I guess maybe that's kind of fitting.
02:38:10Par for the course.Jim, we have a little bit of audio, not too much, but a little bit.We're going to start with some Tony Khan audio.We'll end with some audio about Tony Khan.But to follow up on something you mentioned during the review of the MJF Adam Page match,MJF won a contract.What was it, the casino gauntlet?Yes.
02:38:30Was that what it was, the casino gauntlet?Yes, I think it, isn't it?Well, I guess that's it, but it's their version of the money in the bank where you can cash the contract in, you know, for a guaranteed title shot.That's right.I guess that's the best way to say it.Their version of money in the bank.Here's Tony Kahn talking to the wrestling media or whoever's in that room about their money in the bank.It's so great to see all of you.
02:38:58And before I start answering your questions, I have some questions for all of you.It's okay, if you would indulge me.and I want your honest feedback because I really care about talking.I care about talking to people who love wrestling.I care about talking to the fans and I understand you're working media.You're not necessarily here as fans.But if you would lend me your honest opinions, I don't want you to BS me.I want to hear what you really think.
02:39:20I want fan feedback.Oh, boy.Do you think for a company that takes pride and it's champions that takes pride in the sport of pro wrestling,I really care about the integrity of the promotion and the championship,Do you think that the way MJF has conducted himself in recent weekstrying to verbally execute and then renege on an execute?I don't think that's personally.I don't think that's how a championship challenger or somebody who.
02:39:47He's asking a question of the assembled media there.He has a question for them, but he wants them to think of it as fans,even though they hear his media.He doesn't care if they hurt his feelings.He wants to know their real opinions.And then he goes into goddamn storyline.I like when he stopped himself on the way to say,I care about talking.
02:40:06He just said, I care about talking.And I think that was really happy.All right, all right.Keep going to go.Tony Cohen.Who has been, potentially could be a great champion,should conduct himself.I don't think that's in the spirit of the contract executions.
02:40:20How do you feel?Do you agree with that?Let's strip them of it.Oh.Sorry.What in the world?What do you think?Trying to contribute.
02:40:27That's Renee.She's now like the sidekick during the scrums,I guess, to kind of get to,to behave her as best as possible.Kind of like her trap around her husband.Interpret into English, possibly.Maybe, but she's there to supervise things,and she chimes in every now and then.
02:40:45Do you think, does I just, is it,I don't think that's in the spirit of the sport.I would be interested to hear feedback.Is there anybody that, yes, what do you think?Well, let's stop it there for a second.Jim, what are your thoughts on a wrestling promoterasking for feedback about one of his gimmicksthat he has booked from the assembly media.
02:41:06It doesn't make any sense because he said,now I want to know, don't BS me,I want to know your real opinion like it would be treading on hurting his feelings.How do you think MJF's been conducting himself?Well, what difference if they say,now he's been a complete prick,I think you ought to take the whole thing away from him.How is that?
02:41:25Why would you need to soft soap that to the promoter?I don't understand what he's doing.Well, maybe he'll clarify for it.you. Hold on. Here's whoever hesolicited a question from or an answer from.Yeah.Yeah. Well,here's what I think. I think
02:41:44that I want AEW to be different.And I've been listening to the feedback and the voiceof the fans. And I think people want the championships and thesport of pro wrestling to have integrity. We're having the best year in thehistory of AEW. And I think a lot of it is that we're willingto listen to the fans, that we care about the sport, and we want the fansto believe in what we're doing.I think it's really important that when we have a contract execution
02:42:07and the integrity of the championship,that we can maintain the dignity of the sport.I also think it's very, very important to...You know, it's almost like he wants to be a K-Fabe Sam Mushnick or something.Like, I'm here to protect the business.But then he goes back into K-Faib.The integrity and the credibility of the professional...Was that...
02:42:29Where was that when the other night the guy poured gasoline?over the guy's head and threat to set him on fire.Where was that when they did the flame thrower angle or the blood drinking angle?He's talking about the execution of a contract that they win in a fucking battle royalhaving more of an effect on the integrity and the credibility and the forthrightness of pro wrestlingthan he this outlaw bullshit that Moxley's been doing as his world champion for the past six months.That night, that was the night of the ear stabbing.Just what I do what is?
02:43:04Well, a little bit more on this.I'm telling you some machine needs to scan the brain.Let's go back to the brain scanner.Promote championship matches.I don't want to have a big ticket championship match that we are unable to advertise.And also I don't really want to necessarily utilize a stipulation here that's being utilized other places.I'm not trying to duplicate what other people is doing.I really believe we are our own promotion.
02:43:34That's why going forward, I want to set the tone that from now on,I think the right thing to do is all contract execution should be on at least a week's noticeso we can properly promote the matches so that we can properly give the fans notice.He's worried now about properly promoting the matches.And have the integrity of a championship match.And I think it's for the best for us.I think it's for the best for our media partnersand for the integrity of the championship.
02:44:02If that makes sense.Wow.I love a plan.Great.Thank you.I love a plan.I love a schedule.I think it makes a lot of sense.
02:44:09Thank you.And going forward, that's what we're going to do.And I really appreciate your giving me that opportunityto kind of take your temperature on it.I think it's the right thing to do.Take your temperature on it.Nobody said a goddamn peep.They didn't say boo to a goose, as Adrian Street would say.
02:44:25The only person that said anything was his Ed McMahon,which is...You're correct, sir.Yes, sir.You're so great, Tony.Well, what are your thoughts?To try to get some of this to get somewhere.Basically, nobody can cash in now
02:44:43in a moment's notice when the champion is down.You've got to give him a week's advance notice,which kind of kills the whole ideaof having a title shot anytime he won it.That's the, you know, the fucking hook on the whole thing.But does it matter?Does any of this matter?in AW, it's all gibberish.
02:45:01What title?Everybody's got one.Some people got several.With Dustin Rhodes had surgery, they had to have four different tournaments.Well, what do you think about the idea that they're doing a money in the bank contractkind of thing, but they want to differentiate themselves from the exact thing they,the exact idea they took?Well, yes, they want to steal the idea and then do it differently, but they're cutting out probably
02:45:29the best thing about the goddamn deal that they took.So I just don't do it.Well, Jim, a lot of questions have been asked in the past and in the present.And a lot of times here on this show about the creative process in AEW,how does whatever gets on the air get on the air?Who comes up with these ideas?And then how many people decide to quit breathing it?Is the page horizontal or vertical?
02:46:02There's a lot of questions we have asked.The columns.There's a lot here, so we'll break this down.Here's Tony Kahn talking about the creative process.Oh, boy.A really quick follow-up is on the creative processin the past 12 months since you were in London last.Our listeners, I think, are noticing more vignettes,
02:46:23more character building in the mid-card,more long-term story-time.And let me just say Tony's nodding with a big smile on his face.Yes, because he loves all those things that people say he does,and somehow they overlook the fact that they don't do these things, but nevertheless.There has been a shift in your process at all over?I've talked about it a little bit.Well, talk about it some more.
02:46:49With the best of intentions, last year went out there, and I tried to get really collaborative.And I said, let's all do a lot of Zooms.And I want to hear everybody's ideas.And I'm going to take every suggestion.I'm going to take, wow, I'll try to take your idea.and maybe I'll take your idea.And it's a lot different than how I did the show,especially in the pandemic.
02:47:07I was looking back.Well, Kenny went out there.I was saying to Nakazawa,I was like, man, it's a lot differentthan when you guys were wrestling in front of three peoplein the pandemic in QT school in Georgia against the best friends.And, you know, a lot different than the Kenny and Alan Angels matchin front of three people to be out here in front of the biggest crowd ever in this building.
02:47:26And one of the biggest crowds in AEW history,we've come like a really long way, but also.Well, Jim, let me jump in and we'll talk a little bit more about this.in a moment, but...Why is he going back to the pandemicand wrestling in front of three people in QT's schoolto have anything to do with the creative?He's talking about his history as a booker
02:47:43and he now has six years of historyas the lead booker. God damn, he wasborn a poor black child in a logcabin in Mississippi. What, I mean,how much history to answer a directquestion do we need?Can he ever just get to thefucking point? That's
02:48:01my question. And we've seenthese WWE Unrealwith their creative process, what do you think of the idea that he's jumping on Zoom calls with everyone?He wants everyone's idea.Everyone's submitting ideas to Tony on Zoom.Well, it's nothing but excesses in every direction here because, of course, it's gibberish.That's what we said at the time.It looks like they're just doing this segment by segment.
02:48:25Everybody's in business for themselves.You can't do, let everybody do everything they want to do, can have Zooms with 25 people,but you can't just then say,no, I'm just going to do what I want to dowhen the person that's saying that doesn't knowwhat the fuck they're doing.Because then you get what we've been getting.So it's either a goddamn mess of everything possible,
02:48:52everywhere all at once all the time,or it's endless same shit that Tony does with his brain conditionthat makes sense to him with all of this 26 people,people running into a goddamn never-ending angle.It's, it, neither one is preferable.Let's go back to the never-ending answer.Here's Tony Conn.I had a process that was pretty great in Jacksonville.
02:49:19And I realized, as we were going into this year,I had a realization,and it was a lot like the realization that I came towhen I first started using that process.That process I used in Jacksonville,and really in 2020 was a lot differentthan I would have done in 2019.In 2019, I was also a big committees and meetings guy.
02:49:37And then in 2020, I kind of famously have said, hey, Christmas, I went home and I was like, you know, I'm going to start putting the shows together at home.And then people in 2020 really liked it.But what I didn't count on is the pandemic would hit.I would be the only person in gorilla for months.And I would be a one man gorilla, which is what happened.And if you look at those shows that I talked about, I'm the only person backstage.There was because we shut down the backstage.So there was only one person doing everything back.
02:50:03Let me stop this for a moment.Obviously, he's got a lot to say about the creative process.in the road to getting here, revealing a lot of things from the past.If you were the Young Bucks or Omega or Cody Rhodes or Brandy Rhodes,forget about any feelings about them or what kind of content they like,just being them feeling like you were a part of the start of this company,and you're a couple months in, right?When did they start October?
02:50:31I forget when they're somewhere around there.Yeah, you're a few months in, and you're all kind of getting to do your version,your vision of wrestling on this show.And the audience hasn't run off yet.There's people watching your vision of wrestling.All of a sudden, Tony comes back in.Guys, I was thinking about it over Christmas.I'm just going to do it all myself and write all the shows myself.
02:50:55I mean, you know, that's...Again, after a couple of phone conversations with Tony,long before that, I realized this guy has too much energy,he's convinced he knows what he's doing and he ain't never going to listen.And if he does listen, it'll be to Gaga,considering who he wants to work with.I can imagine being one of the indie-minded guysthat had the patience to sit through Tony's energy
02:51:25to get my stunt approved or my thing that I had.But I can't imagine being somebody that actually knows anythingabout how wrestling shows put togetherand being able to suffer Tony's enthusiastic presence for very long.I just can't.Let's go back to Mr. Enthusiasm.And people thought it was like the best A.W.Yeah.
02:51:52So I, and then.All the people he talked to.All the people he talked to agreed that his booking was the best they've seen.That he pays or are just mindless indie wrestling fans.And it was like, that's a pretty good process.I still want to hear everyone's ideas, but I'll come in with an outline.And then I want to talk and say, okay, here's my outline.Here's what I think we should do.
02:52:15And there's more people than there were at that point.And there's more people to bounce ideas off of.And I think it's really worked really well this year.So I kind of came in Christmas of this year, Christmas 20, 24 this past year.And I had like the same look in a mirror conversation I had with myself exactly five years earlier.Because he's looking in the mirror having these conversations, Jim.What do you think of these look-in-the-mirror conversations about the booking of AEW and the results?Well, I tell you, the lines on the mirror, lines on her face, she pretends.
02:52:48I'm sorry, go ahead.Are they funny mirrors that tell you're good of booking?Yeah, maybe the fun-house mirror can make him a little bit bigger in the middle.Coincidentally enough, my father just bought Coney Island.I've got all these mirrors in my house.because I wasn't really happy with the way the December 18th, 2019 dynamite ended in in Texas.And then we took a week off.And I said, you know what, January 1st, I'm going to make sure we do the best show we've ever done to this point.
02:53:15And we did.At that point, that was the best, January 1st, 2020, at that point was the best episode of dynamite.How long is it going to take him to cover the next five and a half years here?This is a simple question.But he's giving over the, or going over the history here.of the AW creative process from his perspective.Do I need to shave?It was the most complete best episode
02:53:37of wrestling television we had done.And then I said we never looked back.And ironically, then the next week, I did somethingthat in January 8th in the Rio-Christatlander matchthat I was like, I knew, like,I told myself in Christmas 2020, Christmas 2019,I was like in 2020, I'm not going to do anythingI don't believe in.
02:53:592020 is like the year to do.just trust your instincts.And if you don't really feel good about something,don't do it.And then week two.Hold on one second.He's saying trust your instinct six months into being a promoter.You know,
02:54:10a year into being a promoter.Trust your instincts.Well, of course.Yeah, just go.He had it all figured out before they started.That was the thing.That's why there was no question in his mind that all this was going to work.It was like a diet I cheated.
02:54:25And I made it to January 8th.And then after that, I was like, that was it.That was exactly what you told yourself.if you weren't going to do, don't do that for the rest of the year.And I didn't.And we tightened up and we did so well and came together, but I also thought, like, it's a good process.And it's good to hear people's ideas, but it's probably better to put the outline togetherand then talk to everybody versus like having 86 people throwing in ideas.
02:54:52You know, probably the worst episode of Seinfeld they ever did is the second to last episode,which was really the finale for all the writers besides Larry David.So they all tried to get one or two jokes in,and it turned into the worst episode they ever did,and also was the one that had the most writers.So, let me stop it there.There's a whole lot there.Again, him being the arbiter of everyone else's creative
02:55:14and everyone else's ideas,comparing the committee process of listening to other people's ideasto the second, the last episode of Seinfeld.Yeah, he's got the same quality writing talent on his zoomsfrom Cucamunga,as they did for Seinfeld,but it's still,you know,
02:55:33there's too many cooksspoil the broth,Brian.The self-awarenessof a Kenny Benya.Is he going to get to a periodanytime soon?It's what I'm asking you.
02:55:43Put a period on this.It's a better process this year,but also I give most of the creditto the,all the credit really should go to the wrestlersand the fans because this year,the level of wrestling on the showhas been the best it's ever been.
02:55:56I think the support we've gottenfrom the network is the best it's ever been.The backstage talent, everybody, whether it's people working in production that you never see or the announcers or both, people who do both like Renee, who's in production and on screen, everybody's just stepped up.We're having a really, really good year.Also, we've been really fortunate to have up to this point a very healthy roster of great stars.I give a very detailed answer.Let me stop there.Up to this point, a very healthy roster.
02:56:27Yeah, we just lost our two biggest baby facestonight to the same show,but up to this point, they've been healthy.Up to this point, minus Danielson, Omega,punk went down when he was there,every single person has gone down.About what I think's been happening.Even Renee.
02:56:46And it would be hard to be more intricate in detailthan what I just did.But to give a thorough accounting of it,I think that it would be safe to saythat the roster have stepped up and delivered week to week to week as much as ever before.And I think it's incredible.And we were really fortunate.We had some stars that were away from us last year for different reasons, some due to injuries,
02:57:10some due to filming projects.And they all kind of came back.And the stars aligned all in Texas is one of the great successes for the company.Does he even remember the question he was asked?I can't take much more of this.I'm not, I'm trying to get somewhere with,there has to be something in here. Hold on.I, I, that has to be.
02:57:32That, it set a high standard coming here.To follow a show like that and to come hereand to be able to set a new milestoneto sell a lot of tickets and also have a pretty similar live gate,but also follow up our run of business in Londonand also to have the feeling back here that we have,have that that just we're doing so great you know and and and I talked about our greatwomen's champions and women's stars I think of course I referred earlier to MJF and even if
02:58:09I don't agree with his tactics and even if the top women stars uh work overtime well holdbut he's just now running through everything I mean yes what I feel like he has more to say butI'm even looking through jay I'm even looking through jace's notes he starts rampabout MJF Adam Page of Moxleyand then just fluffing himself up.So, um,I think we may have heard enough of Tony.Any, any thoughts on the fact
02:58:36that every single scrum we have heard audio from?And again, we're going back six years now.Everything is the greatest that's ever been.Everything is the best that's ever been.It's not even just about saying everythingin the moment is great.But now there's stuff to build on.When you say everything's great
02:58:52when you first start,okay, they think this is great.But if they thought that was great, how is this great?How is this greater than that?Well, more importantly, what the fuck?There's a, I don't expect anybody running a press event for any company to come out and lead with,boy, we really fuck this thing up and where the shit's here and this sucks.No, you're supposed to tell people you're doing well, but endlessly,
02:59:21without periods or punctuation,droning on,citing specific episodes of TV from five years agothat nobody fucking remembers,never getting to a point.Just the constant self-filatiothat old Jay was referring to momentarily agowhere he just talks about,
02:59:48oh, I did this and I did that and I did the other thing.Yes, you've spent a half a billion dollars to get a wrestling promotionto a point where it looks like you spent a hundred million.But the idea that he genuinely believes that this is the greatest wrestling productthat has ever been put on the planet is admirable.He's got confidence, but it's also crazy.and also he would have to be the greatest booker of all time to have six years straight of great stuff and not be burned out at alland how do you tell the stuff from he keeps saying when we did this a different way we did that a different way we got different results
03:00:34this shit has looked pretty much the same from day one hadn't it can you tell there's been momentsearly punk gave him a few moments they were fans mjf before he had his nuts cut off in the early daythey actually had full buildings and it had an energy almost felt like okay something could happenand for the past however long it's been the same shit every week over and over for the samepeople except the audience dwindles over time so i i i'm glad that they they just love what they'redoing but to act like that this is in any way really onewonderfully structured shit when it's just haphazard chaos.I'm sorry.
03:01:24I bow out now with that statement.Do you think this is the best year of AEW TV?It's a crazy question, I know.I can't see it any way in the world how they think it is because they had more viewers and bigger stars a couple years ago.Edmund, they've done everything.You can't do anything different.nothing works against anybody, nothing hurts anybodyexcept when they really need surgery
03:01:54and then they just run over them with a truckand you don't see them for six months.And it's all the same.The more you see of it,the harder it's going to befor them to keep doing shitbecause people are getting tired of itbecause there's no difference.
03:02:10You can't differentiate one show from the nextbecause it's just endless mayhem and run-ins.Well, that's all the Tony Khan audio we're going to play here at another point.We said plenty of other wacky things, but...Jim, a little more audio here regarding Tony Con,and they're going to get out of here.We ran a little long today.This is apparently something being released as we are recording.
03:02:38A ton of listeners have already sent it over.It's from an interview with Chris Van Vleet.Jake Hager appeared on his show.Oh, good Lord.Let's review some audio here.break it up a few times. We have not heard a peep from Jay Hayt, Jay Hay, Jay Hager, maybe ever.So let's hear what he has to say. So when did you stop loving what you were doing there?Or just loving wrestling in general? It was right after we did the Vegas was at the stadium stampede.
03:03:15No, it was like the second blood and guts. The second blood and guts we did in Vegas. And it was againstDaniel Bryan and Cizaro and those guysand then Sammy jumped off the cagemy contractmy first contract with AEW was upand after thatwe were likethe negotiation process
03:03:35was very one wayand I could tell thatwell anyways I always find a way to say thisevery day so I think everyone should sayfuck Tony ConI could tell that he didn'twant me there. He offered me likea year and a half.
03:03:54Let me stop it there for a second. Again, there's a lotmore here for a few minutes.We were notnecessarily proponents of Jake Hager.We didn't really see whether it'sthe way he was used or justwhat he brought to the table. We weren't big fans ofIt was both. It was both. Yeah.
03:04:10But here he is saying that he was negotiatingand it wasn'twe won't bring you back, but as hesaid, it was a one-sided thing.We'll give you this.except this or nothing.Is AEW wrong in any of that in your eyes so far?With Jake Hager, here's the thing.
03:04:30What did he ever do?What did he ever contribute?What great Jake Hager promo was there ever given that people talk about?What great match did he have?What memorable angle was he in?He was a friend of somebody that they got it.Jericho.They got Tony to sign Jericho, okay, he got Tony to sign him from the start.
03:04:54And he'd been there at that point for a couple years and had done little of anything.And with the product that I was seeing on screen, Jake Hager should have been happythat a billionaire wanted to offer him a contract for 18 months.Because I would have said, okay, we'll see you later because I'm wasting money.There's nothing here.So that Tony offered him anything, I'm on Tony's side on that.Because my response would have been, why the fuck are you on this roster?But that's just me.
03:05:28And remember, we said at the very beginning when everything was lovy-dovey,and he was there.He was on, he debuted on the first Dynamite, if you remember.One day the stories are going to start coming out.One day these guys are not going to respect and love Tony Khan as much as they do right nowhere at the beginning.And I think we're starting to see that.let's go back to Jake Hager's talk with Chris Van Vleet.
03:05:51Like, bro, I just did Stadium Stampede twice.Like, don't act like Stadium Stampede and put AEW on the map.I was in the debut episode.I was the big spoiler.And you offer me 18 months after all that.So it was that in the way that he started running the business,that it really, like, he wasn't a professional.Let me stop it there for a second.
03:06:1718 month contract. Any thoughts on that?Well, yeah, again, you know,why would you sign the guy at all, to be honest,with what he was doing?And even if he could do more, but they hadn't booked him to do more,well, that's the fault of the guy that Tony just said he was right in the shows.So I'll give you an 18 month contract for whatever he was overpaying Hager to do,which was nothing.
03:06:44Again, I don't have any sympathy for this guy.both of these things can be true.Hager can be useless and Tony can be unprofessional.It's an inexperienced people who aren't particularly good at what they're trying to docoming together to try to work together.There's some more audio from Jake Hager's conversation with Chris Van Vleet.We, like, after all the punk shit that went down, the boys got together and we hada meeting and this was the boys only no office right and we're all like stings in there show
03:07:23jericho brian mocks they're all standing at the front kind of like talking us through thisshit and low and the hole who becomes who comes into the room storming in daddy's little billionaireand he's like yelling at us because uh i think it was dachson uh cash cash and wheeler didn't want to come inAnd Cash and Wheeler.So they refused to come to TV that day.And he was like, listen, I'll put you in a six man, six minutes before the show andyou're going to do it.And we're all just like, all feeling disrespected.
03:08:00And I still do this day, wish I would have stood up and said.Let me stop this.Wait, hold on.Hold on a whole lot here.Yeah.Degenerating into gibberish.I'm not aware.And it would have been news that it would have been reported.
03:08:12Did Cash and Dax or Cash and Wheeler, as he said, did they ever.No show a TV taping?That's number one.Have we ever heard of Tony rushing in anywhereand screaming at people since he never seemsto want to yell at people before?But what does it mean?I'll put you all in a six-man tag for six-men.
03:08:36What?I don't even understand what this guy is.Before we even get there,in terms of a wrestler's only meeting,a locker room meeting, no office.how often does that happenand what would happenif all of a sudden
03:08:49the boss just stormed inand started yelling at everyoneabout something kind of off topicfrom what you guys are talking aboutif this was after the punk thingand after there's a big fightamongst executives in the locker roomand see him punk
03:09:01and this is kind of likeall right teamyou know we got to do what we canin this weird dirty dozenkind of fucking teamthat got going on over therebut if that's what this isit all of a sudden Tony storms in
03:09:14it goesI'll book you howeverI fucking want to book you.What does that do?Well, it wasn't a talent-only meeting anywaybecause didn't he say Danielson was thereand Danielson was on a disciplinary committee?Not yet.
03:09:27That was before there was a disciplinary committee.Oh, I forgot. That's right.Well, basically, it was all the guys whispering to Tonyconducting a meeting to try to settle all the guys downor whatever.There was still, Tony was going to hear everythingthat happened in the meeting, obviously.And I,
03:09:44Hager doesn't sound to me,I'm sorry, but I don't honestly believe himbecause he sounded like he was him and and honand tried to figure out where he was going next.If he's predicating this thing on,you need to believe me because that was such a valuable commodity,I think he's full of shit to begin with.Let's hear more about his thoughts when Tony Kahn stormed into the meeting.
03:10:11You know, a lot of things.But like, you just told Sting that you're going to put him in a six man and six minutes,but then you're going to honor him for his retirement.We were all, we became his little playthings.We had to wait outside his office.His storylines were very good at debuting,but he can never carry anything through.And it got to the point where I'm carrying on,
03:10:39but it got to the point where couldn't tell him anything.He couldn't take criticism.He was fucking up, and we were all just having to deal with it, you know?Like, we all had blood, sweat, and tears put into that company.We were all there at the beginning.Like, we all had our careers behind us that helped build that company.And then we all had to just sit side by side and couldn't do anything because he wanted to run it the way he wanted to run it.So you chose to resign.
03:11:09That's the end right there, that question.You chose to resign.you chose to resign well because who else is going to give mehow many hundreds of thousands of dollars a yearit's another example of both of these things can be true in some respectsJake Hager is not a very guy that's very smart to the wrestling business I don't thinkand I don't think he's very good but it's the same pointeven if he is not that quick on the uptake
03:11:41he's repeating a lot of the sentiments therethat a lot of the guyshad at the timethat they were bitching about in the locker roomthat they couldn'ttell Tony because he get his feelings hurt.All of these things were happy.This is Chris Jericho's friend saying
03:12:01all of a sudden Tony Kahn didn't want to hear everyone's ideas.Who's really saying that?Well, and can you imagine what some of those ideaswere.It's not like there's a big baby facein any of this program.Apparently he's not happy thatTony Con, I'm reading some comments here about other
03:12:21parts of this, we don't have any other audio.He was not happy that Tony Khan didn't take advantage of how over he gotwith his hat.Oh, Christ. And talking about how he likes his hat,he wanted to do a character whowould only say that phrasefor no matter what the question was, he would say,I like this hat.
03:12:41And his friends would understand here.You know, maybe Tony wasn't the worst booker in the room.But what do you think?One last thing about all this.What do you think?I think he ought to shit in the hat and cover it up with another one and see what happened.You think we're going to see a lot more of this, whether right or wrong, whetherthey're disgruntled because they weren't resigned to a big contract or not.
03:13:07Are we going to see a lot more people talking about the conditions in AEW at least?least a few years back,if not,well,if you have a bunch ofdelinquent childrenin a fucking classand the teacher
03:13:19doesn't have anycontrol over it,then are the kidsgoing to leave the classand talk about how,yeah, we took advantage of herand no,it was talking about,
03:13:27yeah,she's a lousy teacher.But they're alsodelinquent children.There's no structure.There's no fucking administration.There's no hierarchy.They're just indie wrestling
03:13:41withmulti-millions of dollars.Well, we will stay on top of the antics of AEW and their former wrestlers and their currentwrestlers and the injuries to their wrestlers and so much more.But with that, Jim, this special review-heavy edition of the drive-thru is closed.I'm looking for my...You mean I can go ahead and make my burgers for our cookout now with the in-laws?I can't find the usual one, so I'll go with this.
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