Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 421: Jim Reviews Survivor Series: WarGames

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

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Oh, my heart. Hello again, friends. And you are our friends. I may be loud. Screaming. It looks like I'm loud. Welcome to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-thru right here on another fine day.

Maybe I am too loud. He's hurt me. I'm your host of the Great Brian. We have an action-pack show today's Survivor series. Teams of Five strive to survive. At least they used to. Now, the viewers try to survive, but we'll talk about that. There's plenty of shame in their games.

as well as all sorts of other topics with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornett, Mr. Jim Cornett. You know, here's another thing that pisses me off. Well, first of all, you hit me right in the chest with that sour note. It sounded like someone had let loose a greased pig-catching contest onto a xylophone keyboard. Oh, come on.

With the, you're trying to, you're trying to make up for my lack of perkiness today with the energetic keyboard. You hit me in a chest with the sour belch note there. Then you begin screaming in my ears and my ear is echoing today. You're screaming at us and I don't know why. I was looking for a way to turn my volume down on this fancy Dan machinery we're using here just so that I wouldn't, Jesus Christ, and I'm echoing. And here's something else that pisses me off you don't even know about. Why is everything fucking sealed today? Everything is fucking, either so they can't poison you or to make it childproof.

And it's a sick statement of affairs of society today that we have to worry about people poisoning our medications and our over-the-counter products and our shampoo and our food stuff. that's bad enough but who are these mutant fucking children that are getting into this goddamn shit what is this complaint I'm sick and I was trying to open

my new thing of vitamins just so I have the strength to go on with this goddamn program just here just a little while ago and I need a pair of scissors and everything's got to pull this tab where you pull the fucking tab

and your goddamn fingernails come out. The goddamn top doesn't come off. And when I was a child, one of my most pleasurable moments was when you took a big old jar, a jiff, creamy peanut butter, you twisted open the lid and you, and you smelled the freshness come out.

Now by the time you finish stabbing it with a goddamn butcher knife, try to pry that goddamn, see, they give you a tab again, as I said, it's like an eighth of an inch and you had ripped your fingernails out, you're stabbing it with a knife trying to pry it up, then it bends your knife,

and then where are you? You're goddamn, you got a bent knife. That's good for nothing. What's the matter with you? What are you complaining about? First of all, you're the only person with this complaint. I've never heard another person with the idea that these things are too secure.

We're not letting kids get into these vitamins or whatever you're... What kind of, Goddamn? Who are these children with power tools that can get into the goddamn fucking over-the-counter vitamin B-12 or the vitamin C or the multi I've got all kinds of vitamins here. I got the centrum silver because I'm silver now. It's age 55 plus.

Silver Age Cornette. Yeah, I'm transferring, I guess, to golden age in a few years. But everything's sealed up and it all comes from the Tylenol 40 years ago and three people fucking got poison. and Tylenol and did they ever catch that guy? Nevertheless, now everything's fucking sealed up. But this is a good thing.

Why don't they make the airplane parts out of the shit that they make these sealed toppings on our goddamn mayonnaise with? And then they wouldn't, the wings wouldn't fall off. Well, again, the old question, why don't they just make the whole plane out of the black box? Well, I asked that question the other day. But again, safety seals are a good thing so that when you get something in the store,

you know that no one's tampered with it. You know that no one's opened it. You know no one's played around with it. Okay, but here's the thing then. Could you give an easily openable poop? Okay, it's been open. So don't now to take it back to your place to purchase or whatever, but don't make the consumer.

How are these old people doing it? And the resellable bags, here's another thing, easily resellable. No, it's not. Because by the time you've cut into it and hacked into it and tried it open. and figured out how to get it open. It's fit for goddamn nothing.

It won't seal back together. What are you talking? What bags that are resellable are you taking power tools to? You're supposed to tear the thing open where it says tear here and then it's got the zip lock thing where it, but it never works because you can't get them apart without fucking prying the whole goddamn thing open. Because they're keeping it safe for you and for anyone that purchases the product. It's a starving man and would die with this shit.

laying in front of him because he couldn't get into it. He was too weak from hunger. Again, how are the elderly getting into this shit when they can't, goddamn, get in and out of their chair and suddenly you're expecting them to be able to do these fucking things and these grip strength.

I could see why you have a problem with the resealable bags when you're taking scissors at and cutting around the seal. I mean, that kind of defeats the whole purpose. Well, because you can't get in the goddamn thing. It's easily... it's not easily openable, but then it's impossible to reseal. So it's failed at both functions. Invent something.

Well, right there, I've told, you know, our audience is brilliant. Who was it? Was it an astrophysicist physician that wrote us the other week? That's right. We've got brilliant people. Now that I have germinated and inseminated the idea of the seed of this, it's up to the people out there. The cult of Cornett, the younger, smarter people that'll be around to,

I would see if I invent something now, it'll just be a goddamn hindrance to me in my old age. I'm trying to do less, not more. I'll leave it to the younger people to take my ideas and run with them. And you better run fast, too, because somebody will probably be chasing you. These great ideas, you're like the next carrot top with ideas like this. Oh, come, what now? What is you talking about? I'm being perfectly sick.

We are going to get inundated with emails from people say, and finally somebody has made a comment about this. We're going to get emails from older listeners saying, what's Jim's problem? I've been doing with this. Oh, come on now. No, everybody is, this is one of those universal problems.

That everybody is just whatever the fuck it may be. You can't goddamn get into shit. Don't even get me started now, and you already have, about the, if you go to get razor blades, in the store. Ah?

Well, you can't get them in the store. You kind of have to go to the counter. Well, sometimes you have to break into a goddamn locked cabinet. And then they've got a barbell hanging off of them. And if you walk out close to the front door with it, then alarms will go off and you'll be incinerated or electrified. Like James Arnest, the giant carrot monster in the 1951 version of a a thing from another world.

And that's, again, once you get them home, once they allow you to pay for them and take them out of the store, you try to get a crowbar to get in those goddamn things. It's too hard to get into shit anymore. We're going to find out that's why there's so much facial hair now in society, because people got fed up with the purchasing of the razor blades, getting them from behind the shield and getting them home, then finding a way to open them. Those are tough. I'll give you that.

That's not a safety seal. That's like you need to take out. scissors to cut your way through hard plastic. I bought a pair of scissors the other week at the store. You know what I needed to get into him? A pair of fucking scissors. Things ought to be goddamn more accessible is what I'm saying. This has been happy talk, ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah, bite me. He's in a good mood today, ladies and gentlemen, obviously he had a great Thanksgiving weekend. Also, I did, you know what, since you brought that up, I will be proud to tell you right now that over Thanksgiving weekend, I applied myself, and for the people who have ordered merchandise, especially the new book Heroes and Friends from jimcornet.com, everything that has been ordered has been personalized and processed and autographed and handed to Hotchkiss Feather Bottom through November 23rd. And he is, by the time you hear these words that are coming out of your speakers,

ladies and gentlemen, they will have been handed to him on December 2nd, I believe, and he will be in the process of mailing those out. And this week I'm working on the Thanksgiving weekend, Cyber Monday, et cetera, business. and there's still a chance, is what I'm saying. Now, if you're ordering by the time you hear my voice, you expect to get it by Christmas and you want a personalized book, well, wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first. You know, Hodgastas shouldn't tape the boxes.

They should be easier to open for all the people out there who are going to receive these gifts. Just, they pop right open. No, well, let me tell you something. our boxes if you have a pair of scissors or a sharp object you can just go

right down the seam and poop right at the end and poop there you can see and a boop it boops out at you that's if it's a box or we have easy open stay flats where you just

pull the tab and so you can get in our shit but it's still secure all that one guy just told me sent an email said that my mailman bent he ordered two copies of heroes and friends

and the mailman bent the package to go in his goddamn mailbox I said who's your mailman Mark Henry these things are two of these things stacked on top of each other with cardboard and fucking stay flat I think I could stand on it So we are replacing that for Mark Henry's fucking postal customer. But nevertheless, I'm excited about that, folks.

So once again, we'll still take your orders, no matter when they come in, but we are closer than ever before with filling things, but Christmas now is a little dodgy, but we'll see. We'll see what happens. Non-personalized books are still going out regularly. And that, what did you say that caused me to think about that? I don't know. Thanksgiving.

Thanksgiving. Well, I was giving thanks. That's right. That's what I did for about three and a half days straight. But I've satisfied the guy. I've serviced the customers. And I got an update, Brian, before I turn your show back over to you, remember we did an email, or did an email.

We read an email a few weeks ago. from a guy whose name, I assumed, was pronounced Raymond's, but it was spelled in an unusual fashion. Ramones? Well, no, it's, that was your pronunciation. Yeah, you got to roll the R for that. You roll in the R and then coming up behind the M and double-legged it. But he emailed and said, thanks for the kind words,

but to answer our question, it is pronounced like Raymond, but like, he says it's pronounced like Raymond, but like Ryman. So it's Ryman. But it's not any Reimons, it's just Ryman. He's of Norwegian descent.

His grandparents came here after the end of Nox, noxie, God damn it. His grandparents came here after the end of Nazi occupation of Narvick in Norvick. So I was trying to get that out. The Nazi occupation of Eastern Tennessee I want to talk about. It was the end of the Nazi occupation of Narvik in Norway. But however, having said that, Ryman is from the town of Lompoc, California.

So he lives in Lompoc. You just said he was from, where'd you say he was from? No, he said he's of Norwegian descent. His grandparents, you're not listening to the words. that are emitting from my pie hole. He's of Norwegian descent. Vikings. That means lineage.

The Vikings, the Norse Thunder gods. His grandparents came here after the end of the aforementioned Nazi occupation of Narvick in Norway. Narvik, Norway. Everybody knows where that is. But he, Raymond, is from the town of Lompoc, California. and said his friend, Sal, was Mexican, just to clear things up. All right. Good to hear from you again.

Raymond. Raymond. However it was. And good luck in Lompoc. Girole Monson used to do that when he would talk about the Rujo brothers. Everyone, like when they got introduced in the ring, Jock and Raymond, the Rujo brothers. But he would call them Jacques and Raymond. He would always put the accent on it.

Well, because he was more, you know, worldly and cultural and had been around these various people with these foreign accents. Did you know the guerrilla monsoon in his spare time was an international yacht broker from Toulin, France? Was that a place in Atlantic City? It could have been. It might possibly have been. Anyway, and real quick, an email from Keith and Boston. and he sent this to the drive-through email and you forwarded it to me also. He told us that his father, Tom, passed away last weekend,

and this was about a week ago that we got the email. And we're sorry to hear that, Keith, but he asked, is there any way that Jim could dedicate a quick thank you, fuck you by to him? It'd give me a much needed chuckle. So for this occasion, because it was requested, yes, Keith, and Tom's honor, a thank you, fuck you by, from all of us at the drive-thru here. Very sorry for your loss, Keith.

And I got, can I read you this real quick? Because this blew my mind when I got, I've gotten some emails just out of the blue before, but remember we talked of several months ago, at this point, I guess it was now, about the time I stopped the match and Spogie Mountain TV when one of the moon dogs, I think it's Larry Latham, whatever, hit the fucking guy over the head with Cher's heart.

I thought he'd killed him and I told Hilderbrand, just ring the bell, just ring the bell. That's right, yeah. Okay, I just got this email in late November that has just come to my attention. And he's, it's from Jerry. several times I've heard you mention an outlaw wrestler that you booked

in SMW to go against the moon dogs. He was a good friend. He had worked at the gas and go on Buffalo Trail in Morristown. Remember what I told us? I said I met the guy at the convenience store kept asking me, please book me, please book me.

He's all right, I'll book you, right? This was him. It was the gas and go on Buffalo Trail. Anywho. He says his name was Walter. His family refers to that match as the Moondog Massacre. He had 40 stitches in the top of his head from the brace that the chair had underneath it. And said, that's the thing is, I never even saw him bleeding.

It was one of those things that probably just busted him open and we're gone and off the, you know, gone to black and they put a fucking towel over it. It was just wide instead of gory. God, Jesus Christ. But anyway, he said, one of his favorite things he got to say was that he got to work for your company. Bless him and his little pepicking heart. Walter has been gone for about 20 years now, but his family still remembers that. I just figured it was something you'd like to know.

And this was 32 years ago, 32 years ago. and he wasn't he was a younger guy so he has gone before his time but anyway and the last thing also wanted to let you know Horner was scamming wannabe wrestlers to train Horner hired Walter to basically body slam people for a hundred dollars oh come on I swear to he said P.S. Fucked him Horner he said he's He's more crooked than the Mississippi River, in my opinion. But anyway, this is legitimate because there's no way that this fellow could be identified as a guy that worked at the gas and go on Buffalo Trail in Morristown without it being

a legitimate personal associate of his. So I'm sorry to hear he's gone, but I'm not surprised to hear about Horner. You know, beyond all your stories about Tim Horner and the fax machine and Pam Lawson and his behavior and pretending like he owned or started Smoky Mountain, various things throughout the years, the big signal to me that, yeah, you know what, maybe it's beyond that was when I heard he was working for Terry Landell, like not even in wrestling, like in his office. I was like, okay, okay. Well, and the thing with him is it not to go off on a tangent here, he wasn't even a big-time

shister, Horner. He thought small time because he was a small town guy and he wanted to talk about a carney. He either wanted to have attention and people think he was a big deal or he would go to ridiculous lengths

to make small amounts of money instead of thinking of the big fucking picture. Hey, one last question on Horner since you opened that door. considering everything you would learn and everything you would come to feel about him and see with him by the time he finished up in 94 do you look back now at

any of the time either when Smokey Mountain was first starting but more specifically like let's say in the 80s and do you think like there were signs of anything like you know I should have seen that maybe I wouldn't want him so close or whatever it may be Well, no, he was a fine little worker, as they used to say, in the 80s and et cetera. And I've told a story I'm not going to belabor it here, but just briefly, the reason why that we let him in on it was because he came to me one time at one of the last TV tapings that we were in WCW together and said, I've got a backer.

he's going to put 40 grand into he had somebody that was going to put 40,000 dollars like that was god damn going to take everybody to the promise land even in 1990 fucking one or whatever and he was going to try to get TV in Knoxville and he was going to muddy shit up is what was going to have like oh shit not we are very potentially close here to doing something here this fucking guy's going to come in and just last long enough to piss off a TV station or whatever. And that's when I, Sandy Scott and I both told her, here, hold on, I'm thinking about this.

This was very, actually, I don't even know if I brought Sandy in yet. I just said, hold on, I'm talking to somebody. And whenever I get out of here, which turned out to be very shortly thereafter of WCW, I'm going to attempt to do something. And then, again, I'm looking at a guy who's fairly clean cut. from Morristown, Tennessee, heart of the territory. You can use this guy as

a hometown guy. He's the best friend in the fucking movie. He could potentially dress up and go speak to sponsors, again, overlooking the fact that, you know, he would later on reveal himself

be a moron, but just somebody who could be a utility guy in this operation, never dreaming that he would actually expect to ever, A, B, the Smoggy Mountain champion or start claiming ownership or whatever the fuck he was doing in his spare time. But, yeah, so just, I should have just let him spend the guys 40 grand and he'd have been coming gone by the time that I fucking got revved up.

But in hindsight, nevertheless. All right. Well, this is your show. No, it's not. Oh, no, it's not. It's my show. And of course, Jim. Yes.

There was a big show this past week. The Survivor Series from Petco Park and San Diego, home to San Diego Padres. Survivor Series war games, the official name. Let's talk about it. What is it? The arena in San Diego? What is the Feeders Supply Playhouse? What is it?

Petco Park. God damn it. Again. It's, I've got. nothing against the furry little friends. You know, I love the dogs and the cats and the squirrels and the monkeys and all of little animals, right? But it sounds like that's where you go to have a dog get together and play date.

Where the Petco Park, let's go down with the dogs. It's not like a sports arena. Shouldn't they have rethought that? I know the naming rights and the sponsorships and everything, but could it have been like Petco presents the fight pit. For baseball? For baseball? Petco presents the batting zone.

That's not bad. Petco's batting zone. The batting zone. Yeah, that's not bad. And then every time somebody comes in at the door, they hand them a fucking bat. They've got to give it back when they leave. They can't afford to just give them out every time.

And it can be the batting zone. And goddamn home. things will be settled in the batting zone. I don't think you want to give the general public in San Diego baseball bats to enter an arena go to town, but there was a big show, as we were saying before, WWE, a big crowd for war games. They could have given this crowd fucking bats. I don't think they'd have fucking bother anybody. Boy, they're mild these days.

So I want to talk for just a second, Brian, about how I watched this thing. because here's what I did. Because, you know, now that they've gone to the new app app, I assume that's short for application or appliance or what is that short for? Application. Application. They've gone to the new application. So I had to think for a minute, I sit down at my TV and I said,

which one of these things am I supposed to click on? Ah, Disney. Of course, when I think of wrestling, I think of Disney. and I click on that and instead of popping up like it did last time the screen pops up, we don't recognize your account. Does your household have an account?

Well, goddamn. Then I've got to go get Stacy. Said, does our household have an account? Yes. Well, can you tell my TV what the fucking account is? She comes in, gets the remote, and it sends her an email to her email

so with a code that she can enter into the goddamn TV to recognize our account and then I go back to the Disney thing and then they've got every goddamn thing on I have to, it's not like it's just

well here's Survivor series I have to go to the search thing and W and W and W and E and then it pops up and I can click on the replay of said Survivor Series show and then it pops up we have gone backwards

as a species in 1979 it was turn on Channel 3 you know the other day my daughter was a home from school and she wanted to watch the big finale of Dancing with the Stars never watched this show because I'm a man.

But she wanted to watch it. She took over the living room for the big finale of Dancing with the Stars. On Hulu. She was streaming it on Hulu. And I said, you know it's on Channel 7, ABC, right?

She had no idea what the hell I was talking about. She doesn't know what Channel 7 is. She doesn't watch TV. Everything's streaming. I put it on Channel 7 in the kitchen. It ended one minute there before it did on Hulu. So I knew who won. The crocodile.

can we do an old old version of the wizard swerve on that sometime and win some money on that the wizard swerve i can't reveal it i might need to use that on somebody i'll tell you off the air anyway i'm serious that one now i'm not blowing that one you you god damn but nevertheless back to this show so once i started watching it again for the people who are determined to hear what they want to hear, some people are going to say, oh, goddamn, he's just blowing the WWE. And other people who want to hear a different thing

will say, oh, goddamn, he just hates everything. Because I'm going to say a couple of good things and a couple of bad things. And they'll filter each one out. But from the open of this show, and again, the travel log, the arials, the drone shots, the street scenes, the goddamn, it's a network, I don't even know if network television quality is a compliment anymore. It is a state-of-the-art video production of a major event. I don't understand why everybody has to have a coffee or a fucking drink cup in their hand when they walk in and a stagy way into the the arena.

Usually with me and the guys I was managing we'd walk in the arena, we looked like we'd been beaten with fucking rubber hoses. We're getting out of the car after eight hours in the fucking summertime and the people are throwing things at us. But they went from all of the business of making the stadium look like

the greatest, you know, thing in the world. Did you watch the cold open? Or do you, because you've got, because here on the flip side, all this shit does take some time to show. They do a wonderful job of the production of it. But it is just, it's like watching golf in some cases. And here's the 18th green at the Masters and they got the drone shot. Everybody's standing around with their putter in their fucking hand. But did you watch the

cold open, the photographer's dark room thing? I did not just because I was still getting everything ready to come sit down and watch it for a while without getting up. I saw the women's Vegas thing, but I don't know if they showed that at the beginning or when I saw that. Oh, well, I don't know about the women. If they're making some extra money in Vegas, then bless them. There's no stigma to that kind of work anymore. But I'm not talking about that. They did a cold open where it was like the photographer led you into the dark room.

And they had the voiceover of the moments and the thing that, you know, I can't do the cold open here, cold off top of my head, but it was a video masterpiece as far as shooting it, editing it, putting it together with the footage. They had to have the goddamn legitimate photography equipment and et cetera that, you know, they just,

again, it's amazing. It's fucking state-of-the-art shit. And I'm thinking, it used to be the plays the thing, right that was it's the box has started overwhelming the gift on this show this of most state of the art television production and shooting and videography and editing and technologically and it's like oh let's get the match over with do you have that fit the sizzle versus the steak ratio has a lot of that sizzle and smell is taken, I don't smell, but you know, the, ah, sizzle instead of the actual

chewing of the meal. Yeah, you know, you're onto something here, and I think it's something that they got away with a lot during the height of the bloodline because of how hot things were. I mean, everything was hot. Now it's not so hot, so it appears more apparent. A lot of it's the Paul Heyman influence, a lot of it's the little, you know, I brought up the Vegas videos they've done now, things that don't actually help the business or anything, it's about producing vibes, giving people vibes. It's more about vibes than action. It's about being at the wrestling event as opposed to, I need to see this specific thing.

So you're saying if you've got your vibrator on the correct setting, then the actual action doesn't matter. Well, I said Paul Heyman, maybe his vibrator. Well, I don't know what you know about Paul, but once again, I mean, there's no stigma of that kind of thing anymore. From what I understand, it looks like an old cellular phone. But I guess my point is

it's about the feeling as opposed to, you know, it's a very different way of marketing the company and wrestling where it's about being in a moment as opposed to who's actually

in that moment and what led up to it and what's happening here and I can't wait to see this match. But boy, they, they shoot it great. They just, they just make it look wonderful.

All right. We opened the show with the women's war games and let me again just say this for the people who say oh, he's got to hate all over that and everything. Women, men, you know,

clowns wearing floppy shoes. If AEW wanted to take the edge off of the competitor here, the last thing that I want to see after that AEW pay-per-view was anybody else in a fucking cage? And I didn't want to see most of the

what they gave me of all the people in a cage. They were not the AEW pay-per-view, but the TV special the week before the pay-per-view, where they gave us another fucking cage match. And it sucked. At this point, I think they need fucking stick the cage in the warehouse for a few years

and make people just demand it again before they just are you sick and fed up with just it's just constant well even if AEW didn't do it the fact that it's now an annual thing they did it in 87 they brought it back in 88 89 was the one you were in no war games in 90 91 92

it was kind of an annual thing I guess from that point forward but it's now taken over Survivor series two war games matches that That's half the roster. You know, it takes over Survivor Series. And, you know, they're just using it now as an annual thing, like elimination chamber and money in the bank. What do you think of the two different cages?

AEW had an incredibly tall cage but with a roof, although there were holes in the side that women can crawl out of, if you remember during that match. And WWE... It was like a fucking Hannah Barbarra cage. Oh, but wait, I'll just... And WWA had their cage, no roof, which of course gives you the ability to jump off the top of it with a garbage can on your head. Well, and that's, and we'll get to, we'll get to all of these things.

But basically, the women's match was first, first of the night. And they're in the giant stadium. So the, you know, the entranceway guaranteed about a five-minute entrance for everybody. Oh, what did you think of this year they didn't do the cage? Remember last year they had a cage and they had all the competitors in there and you had to wait for the buzzer and then you get to watch the other person leave the cage and go to the ring this year. Oh, that's right. No cage. Everyone was in the back and they got called that one by one.

Well, in the, and here's how I can change with the times. Brian, mark this one down in your little black book, wherever you keep it. in the original war games when it was the horseman versus Dusty's superpowers, whatever, the idea that those guys were all at ringside, but they were only allowed into this locked structure, you know, first two and then one at a time, and there was nothing they could do about it, but wait, and they're screaming and exhorting their guys on it added to the tension

because the people believed it, and it was clearly defined what was going on. and it was a new type of thing, so it added energy with all of them at ringside. Because the people were, if you go back, even though they weren't technical masterpieces, sometimes because of the limitations of the cage,

and we'll talk about that when we get to the men's cage, I noticed something, but the point being there was such, they kept it moving, and there was such violence, and there was such animosity, It was such a motion. And there were the ebbs and flows

instead of this meandering back and forth and setting up big stunts and extra gimmicks. In the original war games, the people were with it. If you go back and watch, Brian, am I wishful remembering? Or do you not remember the people that go, yeah, pretty much through the whole goddamn deal? I was thinking about it during this event because my favorite war games is actually the one in 92,

The Dangerous Alliance versus Sting's Squadron, where you have Sting, Nikita Kohl-off, Barry Wyndham, Dustin Rhodes, and Ricky Steamboat against Rick Rood, Steve Austin, Bobby Eaton, Arne Anderson, and Larry Zabiscoe with Heyman and Medusa at ringside or cage side. That's one of my favorite ones. That's not exactly a period of time

where you think, oh, WCW was really hot. The fans were, the fans that were there were, and when you think about that, when you think about 91, the horsemen versus all the baby, faces when you think about 89. The Samoans and the Freebirds against the Midnight Express, the road warriors and Dr. Death, the fans were into those matches.

It's a different feeling for these matches, a different thing altogether. So in this modern situation, a lot of times some of the biggest pops are just when the fucking guy comes out. Oh, it's Brock. Oh, shit, it's Brock. so they should stay back in the back because sometimes elsewise

what the fuck else is there to do they're the both the women and the men in the WWE the war games matches are not going to be unprofessional sloppy fucking stupid like thumbtacks and broken glass or goddamn preposterous you know

dangerous shit like that but to WWE men's and women's war games are going to be preposterous at points where they're having this big goddamn heated fight

and everybody just stops because here comes a guy walking down the aisle which you know it just it's a whole different fucking feel so you're not going to

you're not going to get the stupidity and the unprofessionalism and the indie shit that you get in AEW and this, but what you are going to get is just a bunch of people doing a bunch of moves to each other in the cage until the big stars, which dominated the last match, the main event,

all get in and then they tell their story and they're done. Which would you like to be? Beating to death with a goddamn spiked club bored to death until you fucking have to prop your eyeballs up with fucking toothpicks. Again, not to compare this to the classic war games, but this was more in line with that in terms of not needing a bunch of extra gimmick. Sure, there's a lot of moments where people are waiting around for someone to jump on them or specific to a women's match.

I remember at one point when Lash Legend came in, because I'm about to call it Lash Leroux, when Lash Legend came in, there was like a spot with her and IA Jack where clearly they had planned, it out in advance in their head, and then they went to do it, and it looked like two people who planned something out in their head, and you couldn't do it as well in real time as it was in your head. You didn't see that kind of stuff in the old war games. It was just a battle. The AEW one went way too far. So I consider this more in line with the classic war games, actually, than the AEW, you know, independent version of war games.

boy I'll tell you what I'll just I don't know whether to say this now or to save it for the men I'll just say it now if I again was the men in this particular war games with every top main event star in the company in the same match I would have as a group gone to triple h or nick con or whoever needs to be gone to and say no we're not going to go out and do this if the women are going to go out and do it an hour and a half beforehand. Because what to fuck why? Let's talk about the actual match.

So again, Charlotte and our friend Oscar started for the first five minutes and I did note that Oscar's so short when they go to run her head into the top turnbuckle she has to jump up to hit it. and I don't, I don't particularly like her and Charlotte's,

she does a bunch of kicks and strikes and Charlotte's trying to wrestle and it, eh, I don't think they fit. And then here came E.O. Sky with a custom garbage can lid with her name painted on it, that she would later on, somehow the can would show up also. but I said this is the thing this is it's a it's a performance of aggressive parkour as you used to call it and I'm not just saying this though for the women also this is the vibe I'm getting they're coming out and out of this

dangerous double cage structure war games with custom painted garbage cans and then she got in and Charlotte disappeared for her breather while her and Eio and Oscar did the doceido like two children in a fucking war games and then Eio's laughing through

the whole thing and then Becky comes out she's a major star but when she comes out Eio had been on top of Oscar at as soon as the music play she'd just let her hold

go. It just got up and Becky comes in and beats up Eo with a Kendo stick, which we'd never seen before. And the fans liked Charlotte against Becky. We got that for a minute. And then Alexa Bliss came in, and she and Charlotte are friends, and I zoned out.

And then Carrie Sane came out with a, I swear to God, a, was it, was the color fluorescent, green or lime green, Brian, the chain, the five or six foot alleged metal chain that was painted a bright Kermit the frog green that she came. What color would you just turn? I'm no expert in green. I couldn't tell you.

You know, you've seen plenty of green in the wrestling business, so maybe you know better. Well, I see a lot of people that are greener than chlorophyll these days. green as a pepper tree. Did you see when she threw the chain down after she first used it? Even the commentator was like, I think it may have even been Michael Cole. Why did she throw the chain down? Yes, because she gets in and she punched Alexa Bliss in the face, allegedly, with this big old chain wrapped around her hand and then dropped it.

And then she picked it up later on and hit Charlotte. It looked like even harder with his chain and the fade. no teeth, no blood. I'm not saying she should potato these, but it's ridiculous. And not only are the girls using chains and garbage cans and Kendo sticks, but they're painted custom colors

to match their ring attire. I wrote during this, I do not detect the house being torn down. And you know what? Then here came age. Jay Lee. And they woke up a bit for this. And this again,

instead of doing the cartwheeling, you know, fucking Ed Sullivan show routine. Yeah, the skipping. No, no, I'm talking about the match in the, instead of doing cartwheeling and acrobatics in their match in the cage, Becky Lynch and AJ Lee bring it down to basic, Oh shit, she's coming to beat me up.

And AJ didn't skip, and Becky Lynch is scared that she's coming and is holding the door. No. And so AJ climbs over the top and comes off the top on a couple of the heels and goes after Becky. And they got to crowd up because they, instead of, again, a bunch of girls that were just walking through performance of routine. How did you mention it that they had pre-planning? their head, whatever he said a few minutes ago. Oh shit. Somebody's shit in their pants.

Begley Lange is scared. She's trying to climb the cage, get away. Oh, AJ's going to get a hole for all. She's beating her up. It's just some basic wrestling shit in the middle of this suddenly. And the crowd got up for that when she was ramming Becky into the cage over and over. And then the heel stopped AJ and the baby faces helped her out. And then here came the refrigerator.

refrigerator jacks and she got in the ring and aggressively walked into Alexa Bliss and Charlotte with shoulder tackles and not am I overstating that Brian is that too violent sounding when I say she aggressively walked into them maybe it may not work like that then she ran her ass into them and she's got a new outfit she's not wearing the the old thing where she looks like the fucking inflatable crash pad in the pleather she now looks like a starburst fruit shoe factor but it I taste she looks like she's doing well and then here came Maria Ripley and now they woke up because she's the star of the show as I believe I've mentioned on numerous occasions,

people don't believe me until everybody goes, oh, shit, it's real. And when she came out with a trash can in a bag of Kendo sticks, and she wailed on the heels with the sticks, and then started wrestling Becky, and then beat up some of the other ones. But again, it's like they're having a hardcore match. And oh, God damn, this cage is getting in the way.

it's a hat on a hat, it's whatever we want to say, it's just what else in the world is there to do? And then here comes the aforementioned Lash Leroux. And I've got to be honest with you, she has plenty of fucking heel attitude. And she was just taking her fucking time and walking to that ring and not a soul.

Did they even know who the fuck she was? She's been on TV like two weeks, right? But usually people pop just for, oh, it's somebody coming with music. It was just like, what the fuck's happening? No, I mean, yeah, I mean, she hasn't really been given great exposure on the main roster.

She's appeared on Smackton. And she's still have a tag team partner with her. And then now she's just there. She's the newbie. And she's got a great look. She's got great size. I know. that's why I said she looks impressive

and you would think somebody would go ooh but even but it was just like are they were they getting tired of this by this point is maybe a question I should be asking but she got in the ring and stood there and didn't do anything for

uncomfortable second and then she beat up everybody and then they did a choreographed spot tweet her and Rio Ripley where you didn't know who was going to win it between the power girls and then old Lash got it with a kick and a two count and then the fridge came in. I think she may be a bigger project than Jade was because she's, again, we saw her in

NXT, what, five years ago? Is this what they've done in five years? she looks impressive yes she does nevertheless I don't sense a full-throated endorsement for her work from you

she looks impressive this wasn't exactly the right forum to show off working ability I wouldn't think well no but ability to goddamn look like you're not fucking lost in the middle of a strange neighborhood

they might have not knocked that off by this point. Nevertheless, they all did some shit. And then Oscar went to mist somebody, but mist did lash instead. She did not miss with the mist on that miss. See what I did there? And then the baby faces made the comeback. And then Ioscar climbed to the top of the cage and put the garbage can. And they had a real. boost AJ up to hand her the garbage can so she could put it over her head and she flipped off the instead of a back flip it was just a forward flip just a cannonball type of thing off the top of the cage wearing the can onto all of the other four heels and other girls and silly

girls standing around to catch her. And if it sounds preposterous, it looked like it on the broadcast, but when you see the fan cam, have you seen this, Brian, the fan cam from way up in the stands of the entire scene with the ring and her on top and everything.

Have you seen that? I did not. I did not see fan cam, bad did that. I did not see fan cam footage of that, no. Well, you ought to do that on your way. to speech therapy next week. Stop by and look at this footage because they're standing there forever. This was on Twitter.

You could say they're just all lined up in the middle of the ring, weebling and wobbling looking up at this idiot with a garbage, wearing a garbage can, obstructing her vision, but I saw her give a little signal like, move over a little to the left. You know, from reaching from underneath the garbage can, she's peeking, but it's just ridiculous.

To all those people there, they're seeing this, oh, we got to stand here and wait and now she's all, here she comes. Oh, my God, she's hitting us. Fuck. And then Becky tried to climb out, but the baby faces caught her and gave her a couple of big moves, and AJ made her tap out with the Black Widow and actually went into that,

slicker than come on a gold tooth as they say are you rustling around in your goddamn environment I was trying to move in my chair here my chair's pissing me off doing well that's what hey I still sat in the the show was pissing me off but I still sat in my chair to watch it and the good girls won what'd you think of the whole she bang well I can see what I did there

I thought it was all right. Again, it's a different animal. I wasn't expecting a classic war games, nor was it the right thing to do. They opened the show with this. You knew what they were closing with. It was more enjoyable. Eh, the AEW women's one I enjoyed. The men's one had a problem. The women's one was such a shit show. I was endlessly entertained by it. This one I was entertained by too. Again, it's a different animal when you know they're going to do a trash can spot and you're waiting like a half hour. Oh, at some point she's got to climb. up that cage and do it. And then she doesn't, even the commentator's like, everyone's been waiting for this, because that's what she's known for now is the trash can jump. I thought she took out her own knee. If you watched the way she landed, her legs were under her. But, you know, she seemed to be okay. I'm just thinking in years going to, what do you think of your greatest legacy wearing the garbage can and jumping off the top? I didn't see that fan cam footage, but that's the problem because in advance, they knew they were going to do this spot. And there's no way to credibly have everyone there waiting to catch the garbage pan girl

unless they're all just standing there waiting. You can, I kind of shove each other and almost take a punch, but you know, like in two seconds you got to turn around and look at the garbage can flying at your head. Well, yes, and I'm sure, and it's a wonderful custom garbage can that I'm sure is free from sharp edges and all that type of thing, but still is some fucking idiot to weighs 106 pounds, maybe, in a goddamn can of some description, coming at you 15 feet in the air,

kind of blind, and again, why? Why is fucking stupid? I liked AJ Lee running to the cage, as opposed to the skipping she always does. This was the time, you know, do it. It's supposed to be a serious match. That move she does,

forgive me for not knowing the name. I watch a lot of this on mute because I hate... The Black Widow, the Inoki Octopus kind of thing. No, but she does it. It's so smooth and so quick, it's beautiful to watch. It really is just incredible to watch her so quickly hit that thing. And I like that. And now, and kudos to Becky also, because you've got to be in the right place to get that,

that smooth. And that was just, it was a thing, a thing of beauty on the finish there. And Becky and AJ are both smaller girls. So them working with each other makes sense and is good because no one's too big. you know, Rhea's a bigger woman, and now they have other women that are kind of, when I say bigger, just in terms of like muscle mass, size, height. Now all of a sudden you have other people. Oh, you're not going to be accused of being any more of an asshole and you are if you just

come out and say she's bigger. Everybody understands or should understand the difference between Ria Ripley being bigger, not being an insult to anybody's fucking body shaming or whatever. Becky Lynch, though, I go back and forth on her because sometimes she does her promos and it almost comes across like she's, not that she's workshopped it, but she has something in her head and she's going to do it no matter what,

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It is J.C.E. That's right, oraframes.com slash J.C. All right, Jim, a lot of drama building to this point in the show. You woke me up with that one. We're back at the Survivor Series Petco Park. And a big match, we were wondering what was going to happen for the Intercontinental Championship, John Cena, defending against Dominic Mysterio. Well, I guess I was wrong when I said,

I bet Jacina's going to drop it to Gunther. On the Saturday night's main event, I was wrong about that. Maybe they got bigger fish for Gunther to fry. But, I mean, there was parts of this match that I liked, parts that I understood why they were initially doing it. And by the time that it was over, it became, after it had turned into an Andrew Lloyd-Weber production on Broadway or whatever, with everything just comes to a halt as the, it was, it was interesting, very interesting. they obviously thought that people were going to stage some kind of riot and cheer Dominic in his hometown and boo seen out of the building. I would imagine that's why they constructed this as they did when they sent Dominic out with Rochelle Rochelle and Roxanne Perez right off the bat.

and they milked Sina's music for quite some time to the point where you thought, are they going to swerve us? What the fuck is going on? And then they hit the music and the place blew. And I tell you, when they showed Sina's entrance, they had people on the floor all the way back to the back,

didn't they? And all the way around in the bowl or whatever, because they had like six feet in between the VINNAS, video wall and the barricades. But he's having fun and he got lots of pops and he got the thank you chance and all that stuff.

And then they start at the very first spot as he hits the ropes and Roxanne Perez trips him. And Dominic takes over. And I said, okay, they sent the girls out so that you know, Dominic would have the heat

magnets at ringside and that would you know, help us him worse a heel. And then not too long afterwards, oh, Rochelle, Rochelle got up on the apron of the red, just leveled.

Cedar with a fucking punch. And Dominic's healing like crazy. I mean, his body language and taunting the people and, okay, they're establishing that. And then when Ceda fired back

and Dominic bailed, the girls, distracted him and Dominic stopped him again and beat him up on the floor a little bit. But I wrote at that point, they're having a spot show match. They're doing almost nothing but working the people and the crowd is loving it. So this is not bad. Although right then, that's when Dominic does the Hurricane Rana off the barricade and land straight on his head. was he just trying to take the piss out of Penta with that?

Do you think that they did it this week, that specific thing? It was in the news at least. But then, are you with me so far, Brian? On where they're building up a thing nicely, they're getting to heat, you know, they're having some fun, nothing out of the way so far. I'm with you. Let me just say here in advance.

this is my favorite match of the night. And I know there's plenty of problems with different things in it, but I enjoyed this by and large more than any other John Cena match I've seen in his comeback or his retirement year. And I'm with you on what you've been saying so far. And of course, that's what I figured too. That's why the women are there. They're there to give Dominic the edge he would need clearly against a John Sina.

I mean, look at Dominic, look at John Sina. Dominic's a main event heel, not because he's pretending to be a Hulk. he needs a way to get to Sina. Right. And I will say that I think who was it Sina and A.J. Athletically, Sina, that was probably his best in ring match,

but this one had more flavor, more seasoning, more issue, more heeled baby face dynamic. So I see again where you're going. And I was going there. And they do the spot where he lands on his head, and the referee checks him and they stall and they called for the medic and the doctor's checking him. And I'm thinking, I know he's, although he took a nice looking bump if you were going to claim injury.

And by the way, Dominic, 8770-50 Steve, if it starts nagging you. But they're losing their momentum here. I knew he was going to be a subterfuge. but then in the ring while the medics and everybody they're checking on Dominic Rochelle gives Sina her fucking finish the big power bomb thing and then Perez gives her finish thing

to him, doesn't piggy him up but you know what I'm saying but now the girls are just fucking flinging Sina around and then Dominic popped up and ran in and gave him a 619 and a big fucking splash but the referee wouldn't count it because you tricked me, you prevaricator. Let me stop you there because you just recapped a lot. Let's break it all down because this was one of the more interesting parts of the match here.

The injury on the floor, did you buy it at all? I bought it. I thought, okay, something happened because they were playing it out so well, but you could tell something was wonky. Well, at first, when he landed on his head, I said, you know, that didn't look good, but then the longer that it was as soon as the girls did the spot you know i'm like okay he's fine but it looked like he was good because that's again an old an old trope is the word the kids use these days you know but it to me it lost some momentum there but it got to pop when he came in and blah blah blah

and that got the referee to kick the girls out of ringside because you know one of my first thoughts was you know i always think back to like terry funk when mick foley got hurt in the hell in a cell, you know, he knew he had to do something with the Undertaker just to give them time to figure out if Mick was alive. I was like, okay, maybe that's what they're doing here, but obviously that wasn't it.

Do you have a problem with Raquel doing a move to Sina and very differently, and a very different kind of move, any issue with Roxanne doing almost like a Canadian destroyer, I forget the exact name of it, but doing a flipping move on to Sina. The sunset flip power bomb. me thingy. But first of all, as soon as I saw

the doctors go to check on Dominic and they were doing hand gestures like they were concerned, I'm like, okay. A little thing, but, you know, that was the tip off. And then with the girls running in doing the spots, then okay, he's fine. But I can understand,

how about one, one of them, how about both of the girls do one thing? Or, you know, or, you know, or Cina had been bending over try to get up and the girl flips over him or whatever the fuck but just i know rakel is a large lady but just picking him up and flinging him around but he's trying to be generous on his way out but then that sparked his comeback and the you can't see me and etc and then dominic had unzipped his boot like he was going for the boot gimmick, but Sina grabbed his foot and pulled it off and was surprised.

So Dom hit the 619 and another splash and got a two count and then put his boot back on. And Sina hit an AA and got a two count. And then they bumped the referee. And again, you know, Sina goes for the tackle and Dominic duct, I believe, right? And he tackle, shoulder tackled the referee is what he did, correct? Yeah. And again, it plays into the fact that the referee had a larger than usual role in this match, refusing to count the three for Dominic when he had seen it. What did you think of that? Well, that wasn't bad because that gave the heel a bit of a gripe,

but at the same time, the referee was naturally, said, you suckered me, you played me with this, you know, with this bullshit, they playing possum and get your girls out of here. That I could go for. but the referee, it was a shoulder tackle on this bump is what I'm trying to say. Basically, the referee is going to be paralyzed for the next three to four minutes from an errant shoulder tackle. And again, we go into the musical number in fucking, you know, Oklahoma, where everything comes to a stop and they do their business. and in all this time in a pay-per-view match, no other referee has been

hey, fucking Joe's down, Bill, get the fuck out there, anything, it just, even if you could just make it a little more convincing that the referee needs to stay down for three fucking minutes. You see where I'm going with this.

Yeah. It bugs me. I was taught finishes where everybody is supposed to be accounted for and legitimately involved in something where they're not going to look like fucking dicks. You see, Eddie Graham never had that problem in his intricate finishes of stopping for a production

midway through it. Well, anyway, so now the referee's gone. And Sina gets the fucking STFU, and here comes J.D. and Finn. And they start beating Sina up, but then Sina turns it around and beats them up. And he gives both of them the AA. But Dominic gets the title belt and rolls in.

And now I wrote the referee's been down for three minutes. And they're still going. Dominic takes his time. Swings a fucking belt. Sina ducks hits him with an attitude adjustment. Now Sina's calling for a referee. Imagine that. But music plays.

And it's Liv Morgan. because I guess, you know, fucking the star of the play was booked for heaven's sake. It could have been, you know, Rita Marino or somebody dancing down in the high heels. What? Well, this is Broadway now. We've stopped having our match.

The match is, no, we'll do that here in a minute. It's all fucking showbiz. Big pop for Liv, who hasn't been seen since she hurt her shoulder, and no one knew when she was going to come back, but I got to say, I didn't hear anyone bring her up in the conversation around this match, so it was a surprise.

Well, and you know, she and Dominic have had a thing, but, you know, Dominic's out there with two other women. So I wonder if, you know, if Dominic's thing has come between them. Who, in any way she... Go ahead. Who is stronger?

Who is stronger than Dominic's shoot wife, putting up with the way he's been... booked in a relationship with Ria Ripley, in a relationship with Liv Morgan, who's all over him on TV, whatever's going on with him and Roxanne. Meanwhile, he's got a wife at home watching this. Well, wait a minute. How old is Dominic now? Do you remember?

I don't remember. 28? You just did the age thing. So he's 20. Let's say he's 28. His wife has access to his bank book. I'm sure she is fucking fine with everything. But nevertheless, there's Liv and Dom looking at each other.

Face to face, they faced each other. And then she swung at him and missed his head, but he sold his shit out of it anyway, but it actually works with what they're about to do. But he went down like Tyson had hit him. And then Liv jumped up and seen his arms and gave him a big hug, and then he put her down, and then she kicked him right in the balls.

Swerve. A couple of things here. She didn't hit Dom in the best way, which considering what happened makes sense. But secondly, she jumped into Sena's arms, and you kind of buy it because she's crazy. And this is after Sena's awful acting, while her and Dom are having their moment in the ring,

and they're good at it. Sina doesn't know how to, like, just be there. So he puts on the droopy dog face and like points and like doesn't know how to react. And he's, he looked like Jim Varney ringing the bell at the New York Stock Exchange. Yeah, that's exactly actually not. I think about it what he would have looked like. And that's what it looked like. Ladies and gentlemen, Ernest watches Dom and Liv.

He didn't know how to react. So Liv jumps on him. This, this is the best thing about the whole thing. This was the comeback. This was the payback. was the return to the look Sina gave the rock when he hugged Cody and you saw that face drop. She jumps in the Cedas arms and the camera's right on her face the same way it was on Cinas. And you see her eyes.

Her eyes were never as bright blue as they were on this day, folks. And there she was. It was a dark and stormy night. You knew the turn or not even a turn. You knew that she hadn't turned. She was still with Dom. The heels were still together, those good old heels. and that to me was the funniest thing.

That was the same thing that Sina did to Cody, and it's never been done again over the rest of the year. This was the only other time. It wasn't like anything to like seal the storyline with the rock and end that. No, that just died. The rock had nothing to do with it. It may never be seen again. Who fucking knows?

There were some major stars this year that were involved in programs that started and just never ended. The Rock's thing with Sina and. Cody disappeared. Travis Scott disappeared. Jeff Jarrett's retirement year program. That thing started and just completely fucking disappeared. He was gone in February. There's a lot of stars who had programs start and vanish in the same year, but I thought that was interesting. They did that here and lives a big star. Dominic's a big star. I'm kind of happy they're not going to break them up. well but then after the balls were kicked dominic hit another 619 and live hit

seen over there with the title belt dominic splashed him and then the referee after about four or five minutes oh shit um one two three so and now dominic is again the intercontinental champion i don't know anything wrong with that so basically he beat Sina and Sina's hometown and then, or let me try that again. Sina beat, you know what I'm saying, the hometowns, each hometown they won in. I don't know how to say it. I'm so flustered. But this, it's just all of these things happening in the same match just a little preposterous.

Is it not a little overdone? Too many ingredients in the broth? See, I recognize that. This is my favorite Sina match of the last year. and that's with the caveat of, there's a lot of things, there's way too much that was in this match, there are some things that are ridiculous.

The amount of time the referee was down didn't bother me as much just because I'm a little more used to that. The referee refusing to count the pin was a cool moment. The fans were more into this match than anything else on the whole show. Well, yes.

And if figures considering who was in it, these two guys. But I really like this match. And I'm like, Someone's going to say you're inconsistent because you criticize things with like, you know, whoever, Rejo or something, and Roxanne Perez hit that move on Sina. You're right. Roxanne Perez shouldn't have hit that move on Sina. I wouldn't, I have no problem with her tripping him. I got a problem with her hitting Canadian destroyers on him or whatever the

fuck that is. But I enjoyed this. Sena's bad acting. Again, that would take down any segment. But it kind of works here. I enjoyed this more than any other John Sina match on this. comeback, and a lot of that specifically because of how good Dominic is. Dominic's matches are enjoyable. The moment where he got injured, whatever you thought, you're a professional, you could tell by the reaction in the room, they didn't know what to think. So when he hopped up and got on Sina, they reacted big, and they reacted big to everything in this match.

And again, a lot of smoke and mirrors, you get the big Liv Morgan return. But I enjoyed the hell out of this. I really did. I will give you that it was the most exciting thing on this, on this show. And I would like, again, part of it was this is the county fair in Mullenberg County, you know, basic wrestling at the start, but then just over and over, it's guest stars and people coming into, oh, well, but now, hold on. If I could ask you a couple things, what do you think of them not breaking up Dom and Live?

because a lot of people assumed when they went to the Roxanne Perez joining Judgment Day thing that they were setting it up to perfectly have Liv Morgan come back. Now she's been... Now, what's happened to Rio Ripley has happened to her with the same guy. It would make sense. That's not where they went. I mean, they may still do something with her and Roxanne, but they didn't break up her and Dom.

And I think that's the right move. And I almost feel like in years past, they would have immediately had her come back and turn her baby face. but no now now's the time for because she's already over so now's the time for her to come back and yeah and everything with her and Dom

is just like it was before and Roxanne ain't happy about that and Roxanne can become a backstabbing home wrecker see wait a minute she's back now I gotta do something as she rubs her hands together and then you could put more focus on

Roxanne Well again a good match Dominic Mysterio The new Intercontinental Champion We'll see what happens in the fallout on WWRWA but Jim Yes There were more matches

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slash J-C-E-O-PEN. And Jim, before you close us down, why don't we move on with the Survivor Series a big match for the women's championship, the champion Stephanie Vacare versus Nikki Bella? Boy, I'll tell you what?

And here's another thing. They go from 10 women in two cages with weapons and garbage cans and everyone diving about. Then they go down to two guys, but one of them's the biggest star in the history of the recent world. And they have two girls out there and other people interfere. And now we just got two girls. and one of them is Nikki Bella ooh

I awkward because remember I've said I haven't don't remember I've ever seen a Bella match so I watched as much of this as I could stomach and now I've seen a Nikki Bella match she's got plenty of heel attitude she's dripping with that

her work is abysmal was this a John Laurenitis Gold Club hire originally or what I believe I believe she did actually go through developmental with her sister and FCW and she was obviously on the main roster for a long time but also during that transition period from divas to women's wrestlers well again she's got the attitude of a veteran heel with the way that she was carrying herself everything she does look fucking half-ass as shit. And Stephanie was trying.

I think Stephanie needs to quit the short head butts, just the same thing I told Jacob Fattu. Yes, I believe his head is harder than hers, but she's just headbutting people three or four times and then they're going to something else, and she's not acknowledged, nobody's acknowledging it. Just a little thing. I thought in this match, Stephanie made a comeback,

it wasn't I did did people care about this unless they did the thing where they put the head scissors on and the old bumpin to bump it to the face what are they calling it now the devil's kiss

I think around since the fucking 40s I think everyone was waiting for the ass spot yeah and that's the ass but well really it's more of a double ass spot you can just look at the asses it doesn't affect the asses Neither ass is taking any punishment.

Normally the old atomic drop, if you call the ass bump, that's because you take a bump on your ass, but now neither ass is being punished. It's just that you get a clear view of. Precisely. Okay. I wrote, this won't end. It hasn't been long, but it seems like it.

They did some more face bumpy, stuff and then Stephanie went to the top and did a flipping moon salt and one, two, three. And Bella was kind enough to squirm a little bit more into place and,

and looked like she was a fucking tighter-in-a-skin on a hot dog waiting to see where that girl is going to land. That can't be easy to lay there knowing that's coming. I wouldn't be. Again, I do, you know, there's no reason

to add the twisting pike maneuver like they're at the U.S. Open Diving Championships but that's where we are these days and the finish just kind of came out of nowhere and then it was over. The end. Have I missed anything? No, I think you covered that match and there's nothing more I could add to that match.

Thank you for watching. Thank you for watching. Yes, thank you for watching, ladies. gentlemen and then just to show that we're all full of shit they announced the new Survivor Series record crowd of 46,016 people. They're just coming to see

the stars make their big entrance and do their big move and then okay next. Is that what we've come to here? It's a whole different world. You know, I watched the other day the first little bix my son wanted to see it because I got

him some wrestling figures recently. of Survivor Series 87, the first one, Rosemont Horizon, Thanksgiving Day. These people, after whatever they ate, were so fired up and so loud for everything that Jesse Ventura and Gorilla Mansoon got one of the loudest pops of the night coming out. It was incredible. They were hot for everything.

That ain't the case anymore. It's, you know, you're hot for moments. You're waiting for moments. In WWE, the moments will be theatrical, and it'll happen typically at the end of a match, sometimes in the match, sometimes the middle of the match. You're waiting for that. With AEW, it's more just about moves,

just moves, just non-stop moves. With WWE, it's still got this theatrical bent, and when things hit, they hit well, and when things don't, they don't. So basically, it's kind of like your bowels. it just depends on which way they move. Big crowd. I guess that's the point.

The big crowd. And then we came to the main event on the four-match card that drew this goddamn 40 cents, more than 10,000 people a match. We should start breaking that down now. Like, okay, if they drew 40,000 people, they had five matches, that's 8,000 people per match and see what the per match average is. I wonder how far ahead they'd be with that. And again, as I said before,

and this is all the top talent in the company, almost pretty much everybody. They should have all gone to say, look, fuck. Give them their own goddamn pay-per-view. We're not going to go out and do the same kind of goddamn matches. The girls have just done an hour and a half ago. But they didn't. So they did.

and the very first thing out of the gate, Ah, come on Salini, going in to KG, wearing a jacket that says Larry's dad. Oh, God, just stop. Did you see that? That was so cute. That was fine. You're singing is a whole other level of awful.

A whole other, let's see, I'm glad you admit that. My singing is a whole other level. Of awful. Case, if you would clip that audio... You better not. You better not. Play that whenever I need to remind him of what he said. So we get Punk and Braun Breaker, the first two guys.

And he put Braun's strength over, but a few times punk out quicked him. But then Braun would hit the suplexes, et cetera, et cetera. So at least they're trying to establish this thing. And then here comes... Drew McIntyre. And of course, he and punk hate each other. So he gets in a fight with punk and Braun and Drew double team punk. And they, again, I don't know whether this was, oh, golly, we've caught you accidentally type of blood or, you know, well, they don't, they're not supposed to get blood, but things happen.

I don't know how the blood happened, but punk was bleeding somewhat. Cody, when he came out, which hold on, I'm getting ahead of myself here. Well, no, I'm not. Actually, Cody was next out anyway, but Cody had got busted open for real other night on television, so he had a cut that could realistically have just through exertion. But anyway, we got a little blood in this thing. as opposed to enough to transfuse the entire goddamn landing invasion of Omaha Beach that we got on the AEW show.

But again, Cody being out next, the star power is they've got Drew, they've got Breaker, they've got Punk, now Cody's out. And Drew tried to hold the door closed, so Cody climbed up and came off the top of the cage with a crossbody. and a big comeback. And as he's doing that, he back elbows punk by mistake. And there's a minute there where they're like,

what the fuck, but they continue to work together. And then that's when one thing, we said at the top of the show, and I said I'd talk about it during the men's match, when you mentioned that this cage was lower, AEWs was higher, had the roof like the, original war games did. This one doesn't.

When Punk and Cody did the doomsday device on Bronn Breakers, you see him land on his head. Oh, yeah. I was afraid he was hurt just like Dominic earlier. And he was still selling it after the match, if you noticed, too. Yes, because this was not a planned playing possum spot in the match. He led it on his fucking head. And I bet it rung his bell, but that was what happened to J.J. Dillon in the very first war games match, July the 4th, 1987 and the Omni and Atlanta. With JJ and the horseman against Dusty

and his baby faces, the one they were going to beat was JJ, obviously, that's everybody want to see it anyway. But when they gave him the doomsday device, I think Hawke, because of the roof on the cage, Hawk had to change trajectory because it was too low and JJ was worried about his feet

hitting point being because the roof was too low JJ landed just like Braun Breaker did here and separated his shoulder and had to have surgery and that's why the second war games at the end of the bash tour that year

that was in Miami at the Orange Bowl originally JJ would have been involved in that one too but since he'd had surgery, that's why Dusty brought Bubba Rogers back from the UWF where he'd set him out in Oklahoma to be the massed war machine.

Yeah. Because they had to, and the rib was, the day they announced him on Atlanta TV as the war machine taking JJ's place, Bubba was, as I said, in the UWF, had to fly from Dallas, to Atlanta, get a cab to the TBS studio,

put the body suit and the mask on, stand behind JJ and the horseman while they did the interview announcing him, and then get back in the cab and go back to the airport and fly back to Dallas. That was the only thing he fucking did. Just fly out there to stand there in that fucking outfit. And then they beat him in the war games in Miami,

but never told anybody who he was. anyhow we hope that brawn doesn't suffer a lingering effect but he landed on his head that's the safest way for a Steiner to land and then here came logan paul and logan paul and cody do their spot where they sit and fight on the top of the cage but brawn hit him with a chair and broke that up and the heels got heat on Cody and punk and then Jimmy Uso came out. And poor thing, to try to get him some kind of pop, he got to be the one to slide the slim gym table into the cage, and then they didn't even use it.

They waited another 20 minutes or whatever. But more heat by the heels. Jimmy didn't make much of a difference. Miscellaneous fighting. Again, this is a lot of guys at this point. walk it there's shit lay in there shit you got to walk around or try to figure out a way to use or a reason not to use or just wander around there's no sustained and they're doing three minutes now aren't they instead of two i think so so it's more it's longer it's less matches needed

Bronson Reed came in and splashed punk and splashed Uso and splashed Cody and the heels beat him up some more. I don't know if it just stood out because of the cage or if he just did it special on this night. Did you see how high up he was getting on those splashes? I think it's the, he always does that, but it's possibly the visual of the cage behind him when he's in the air that makes it look even higher. but no, he, that boy bouncy. Him and Javon, that'll be the next tag team.

Javon, Evans, and Bronson Reed, they call him the number 10. That's what they'll look like when they walk down the street next to each other. Anyway, then here came Jay Uso. And then he makes his awkward, I'm not going to call it a comeback, I'm going to call it a yeat back. they play his music, he gets in the ring, he has to do the punch that's one half of a beat off

and the whole thing, awkward yeat back. And then he and his brother team up and do the team super kicks, and then they restarted his music so everyone could yeat more while the match just came to a complete halt. It's the fight.

fucking war games. Brian, have you ever seen the movie the longest day? I'm not sure. There's a reason why it wasn't a musical. It was about the goddamn invasion of Normandy. They didn't stop in the middle of it to run the entrance music back and have a dance off. You know, there's a reason why you're seeing more pushback

to the push of Jay Uso from WWE fans now more than ever before. I think a lot of people are sick of this. And again, doing into the war games to me was the worst moment of the night. Well, anyway, and that was a pretty stiff competition there for a while. So then, as everything was standing stock still, music, it's Brock Lesner.

And he didn't fall down this time. With Paul Heyman, He comes, and they gave the statistic, and this is actually one of the cool statistics instead of just the meaningless ones. The first time in 21 years, Brock Lesnar has been in a tag team match. Yeah, that's crazy. He was always used as a single attraction. And anyway. You know, speaking of him falling down, I just saw the clip the other day, him and Shelton and OVW flipping over the ropes, and Shelton landed and Brock went down.

Yes. imagine, like, imagine folks, the buckshot lariat thing that Hangnail Page does, where he springs over the top, lands on his feet. Shelton and Brock had both been doing added practice. So that's the way they decided they were going to have a snazzy entrance into the ring when their tag team partners is they're going to both do that. And Shelton, he actually over-rotated when he landed on his feet. he was still going forward, so he just walked right up and went nose to nose with. It was Rob Conway or whoever he was going to work with, whereas Brock didn't get quite far enough, and his feet hit and he landed on his ass and he sput around and jumped up to his feet

and started doing springy jumps. Like, nobody saw that. And so somebody had tweeted that clip and I retweeted it. I said, this proves that OVW TV was 25 years ahead of its time. And it got like several thousand of the little hearty things, but some people are like, what do you mean? Isn't just developmental. They didn't get the goddamn joke.

But when Brock came in, he suplexed every fucking body. He was a one-man wrecking crew. And then he f-5ed everybody. And it was basically Brock beating people up for the next three minutes. And that woke them up again. And people are, oh, shit. And then finally, here comes Roman's music. And Brock gets out of the cage.

It's another thing. They had to do this stuff down on the floor because they hadn't broke a desk yet. So Brock met him in the aisleway, but Roman came up with three big Superman punches in the ringside area and then went for another big one and Brock scooped him up and F-5ed him through the announced desk. And now the war games could begin. Was that the way it was though? Was the entire match the war games and that was the match beyond? Originally, yes.

And originally that's why that the individual guys coming in in intervals and who would have the advantage, those in Dusty's mind, who would have the numerical advantage, I should say, that gets to have the, you know, the two against one and three against two, those in Dusty's mind were the war games because people were playing war games, jockeying for position. And then as soon as all guys were in the ring, that's when again, the match beyond would start and it could only be ended by submission or surrender. and that's why they was originally advertised war games, the match beyond.

And then now, you know, they've taken their liberties, but nevertheless, it can only be, it's still consistent, it can only begin when all 10 guys get in. But usually nobody had been thrown through fucking tables before the, you know, nevertheless. So, then boom boom boom the baby faces started firing up and punk hit a go to sleep and Cody hit a crossroads on Brock and Logan Paul saved him and then Paul handed I've

too many Pauls too many Paul's pal pal Paul Heyman handed Logan Paul his brass knuckles and Logan Paul knocked out Cody and Uso but then Roman speared Paul, Logan, that is, and took the Nucks away, and Superman punched Drew, and Superman punched Bronson Reed, and speared Braun Breaker. And then they did a, actually a nice spot where Brock was going to F5, one of the Uso's, whichever it was, and Roman speared both of them through the fucking table. And anyway, they, they, It's all the top guys. They're doing all their top moves.

They're kicking it up. So they got it going now. And then Braun stopped Roman and Uso and speared Cody and missed punk. And suddenly a guy dressed all in black, which has never been done before, climbs over the top of the cage. And he hits, punk with a super kick at a curb stump

and then climbs out of the cage. Brian, am I being picky with another thing that the whole idea of the cage and wrestling since the dawn of time was to keep people in, keep other people out, depending on what you were trying to sell, what the psychology was, the match. This motherfucker's not going to be able to escape.

He's in a cage or his friends aren't going to help because we're in a cage. Everybody, the girls, everybody, the referees, just climbing this thing, down in, back out. Does this help the situation? Again, it's about the moment and the questions and people wondering who it was and why were they impersonating Rollins. They overlooked the fact that, yeah, the whole idea of the war games was

these guys are in here, they can't get out until there's submission or surrender. also no one could come in because if the mask guy could come in or the hooded guy why can't everyone else if that guy could just run in and climb their cage and do a move and get out

what's to stop any other wrestler let alone any other fan from doing the same thing? Half the guys in this match came out or got in it by fucking climbing it I think a couple of the girls did so it so the guy in black does that

and he leaves and bronze spears punk one, two, three. And I believe that we'll see good Lord Willing and a creek don't rise, as Aunt Lola used to say, it'll be punk and brawn breaker for the title at WrestleMania. The guy in black

from what we are being led to believe and we will find out possibly by the end of this podcast we're doing if Raw intervenes, but it's allegedly Austin Theory which makes sense because Haman, that's the only young superstar,

budding guy with talent to be a superstar that they're ignoring right now and Haman would want him if the speculation has been that he's not a mental incompetent and they've just been punishing him because he was Vince's guy or whatever, that would be the best place for theory with Haman. and then after the baby faces were licking their wounds

when the heels had already gone off to the victory party, Roman told Cody they would not be teaming again, is what I heard as they were going off the air and the announcers were trying to awkwardly stay silent so we could hear what we were supposed to hear. You brought up, you think punk and brawn at WrestleMania, what do you think of the rumors going around that will be Cody and Roman, Cody and Roman 3 at WrestleMania?

I wouldn't be surprised because of what they've just said here, but I don't know how excited I am about it, do you? I think Cody's needed something new for a while. I'm kind of sick of the Uso's, and that ties in with Roman, who appears every now and then and does a slow walk to the ring. They'll have to do something to heat that program up. Hopefully it does not involve the rock.

But who knows? I'd like see Cody and Orton. but I guess that's Somersland. Well, we'll see. I don't even know where Orden is right now. But that was Survivor Series at Petco Park. Jim, after Survivor Series, a moment a lot of people are talking about. I don't know how much of the post show you got to see, if any.

It was actually quite the spectacle because they now do this outdoor thing akin to ESPN or other live athletic events where Joe Tessitori and, I think Peter Rosenberg was with him and Big E. They're out there as the fans are leaving. They're all behind him. It looked like Woodstock. It looked like they had about 40,000 people out there for this. And Haman and the heels.

Heyman and Logan and the bronze. Them hamming it up in the heelway on that stage of front of all those people was incredible. But there's a moment going around on video that was not. Well, I was about to say I needed context because I've seen what you're going to talk about, but I didn't know it was them going to the post show, to the post show set or appear as a part of the post show. They're on the way to that, correct? The post show podium, I guess we could say, but. A young fan, at least based on appearance, tried to rush towards Paul Heyman, maybe to get a hug or a wallet.

Who knows? No, I'll tell you what, it looked like he was thrilled to see the fucking. you know, the penguin in person and he was running up to give him the big hug around his waist. Well, you always have to be careful that fan doesn't have an umbrella or something, but Paul Heyman reacted to the fan

getting near him by pushing him, shoving him, blocking him. Some thought it may have been too aggressive, some thought that's what he should have done. What are your thoughts on this? I know you saw this part. Oh, God, and now this is another one where the people that want to hear me knocking Hayman are only going to hear some of the things I'm saying,

and the people that want to fucking not like what I'm saying or not like me are going to say, are you done the same thing or whatever the fuck. So I encourage everybody check the video out because a lot of big deal is being made about very little of anything. But yes, they're walking the heels, I guess, through the crowded area to go be a part of the post-show thing. and this kid, I can't judge children's ages.

Knowing how tall Heyman is, I'm saying the kid was three foot six to four feet tall. What age range? You have more of a specialism in children than I do. I don't know if they were that small. It appeared to be someone maybe a teenager, I would think. No, come on. Find that clip and tell me the kids, I think 11, 12. Maybe he's a puny 13.

I don't know, but he's four feet tall. is all I'm saying to you. But the kid runs around, I think it looked like he maybe was with his dad or whatever, but the kid runs up on Heyman, like he's going to hug you where he seems overly pleased to see

Heyman. That's what I couldn't figure out. And Hayman reaches down with both hands and just kind of shoves him back into the little crowd area there and goes on by. And the point being a lot of people are saying, well, Heyman, he's a heel 24-7 and, you know, he's just staying in character and there's an element of that. And there's also an element of, I've whacked a few people coming at me in my time,

but that was a long time ago. From this individual kid in this moment with the look on his face, he was not presenting any danger. I think we're past the point where these people, anybody expects to get knifed if they're walking through the crowd anyway. But I probably would have hooked him under the arms a little bit and just walked by him with a little less aggressiveness or vehemence or whatever than Paul moved him over with. But at the same time, it wasn't him just walking up and fucking whacking a kid over the head with his fucking phone. I would say the kid's about 12 years old if I'm looking at this video.

Okay, there you go. Yeah. Okay. And so the point is it was a little energetic, in my opinion. I don't even think I would have done that. If it'd been 15 or 16, yeah, you're getting a fucking pie face, motherfucker. But no, there's a little much, but it wasn't like nobody got hurt. And Heyman was probably, A, they were rushing them. I've been in that position to get over there, get over there now. And B, he was probably pissed off that he's got to walk through this kind of halfway open area. with no barricades, all of them, with people coming in and et cetera, instead of, so I could see both sides, but I think Paul was a little fucking energetic with the kid. What do you think? It's one thing if someone grabs you or something, but the kid literally walks in front of

Paul with one arm on one shoulder and he reaches for the other shoulder, almost like at a hug position. Yeah. Heyman grabs his arms and just shoves him out of the way. I mean, again, it wasn't like he just, like, touched him. him on the shoulder or something. He jumped in front of him. Heyman had to move him or he had to stop. Those are the two options. Move him or stop?

Well, again, no, a body in motion tends to stay in motion, so Hayman wanted to keep moving. Well, that's the thing. It's hard to turn a battleship on a dime so I could understand Heyman not being able to quickly. But if he was a normal, if he was a normal sized human, and there's a way you could actually just hug the kid and turn to your left and just pirouet around the kid and keep moving. But he chose instead to just remove the blockage because I guess Hayman's passed a point where he can pirouet.

Well, that was WWE Survivor Series 20. I'm hitting all sorts of things. Survivor Series 20, 25. And also you've got to think, Brian, that another thing, the kid was so close to Hayman, he was using some of Paul's oxygen because it takes a lot of oxygen to fucking, move a massive humanity like that.

Once again, Survivor Series War Games at Petco Park. We shall return momentarily after this short commercial timeout. All right, Jim, well, there's been a lot of show, and we have a long way to go. A lot more fun to be had, I can't speak. A lot more fun to happy have. Well, of course, one of the reasons that I may be lagging a little bit is I need a good night's sleep.

tired right now. I wish I could just run upstairs and jump on my Helix sleep mattress and dream away. And sleep and just go to sleep. Just go to sleep, a young, young man and let me handle this because I'll tell you what you need to do. You needed a helic sleep mattress behind that kid that Heyman just flying Beal to cross the room. That would have been the answer to there. See, when the kid came out of him, you know, as a matter of fact, come to think of it, I believe now on further retrospect when examining the situation. I think the kid may have had a knife. And so what Heyman did was he neutralized the hand with the knife and he got under his

armpit and he fly and beeled him across the room. But it wouldn't have been a problem if he'd have had a healing sleep mattress to land on, just like all these other chuckle fucks around the country, putting the videos of themselves up on Twitter being hip tossed off the porch and and cross-bodied off the second-story deck and power bombing on the concrete slab. They need a helix mattress to do all those things on, like the Bucceroos had.

When they were out in their backyard, I'm sure they were on a helix sleep mattress because they had them boys is bouncy, them helix sleep mattresses, why you give a leg drop on those and you'll just fly right back up in the air. Well, again, with Helix sleep, one of the great things about Helix sleep is that you find the mattress that's right for you.

Maybe you don't want a bouncy mattress. Maybe you want a firm mattress for a firm night's sleep. Well, in that case, if you want a firm mattress, then when you get thrown off a second-story deck or something like that, you'll just go, see, I'm trying to help these people, but it's up to them. But if you just want to go to sleep, as a matter of fact, when you get hip tossed on a Helic Sleep mattress, Brian, when you bounce the first time you bounce, by the time you get a foot up in the air, You are sound asleep. Again, that's not, no.

Just touching that Helix sleep mattress makes your whole body just shut down. No, it does not make your body shut down. What it does, ladies and gentlemen, imagine that sleep that you're having every night, but better because it's on a better mattress. That's the change. That's the change in your life, your lifestyle,

and everything else will be... No, no, Brian, you're short-selling everything here about the Helic sleep mattress. because it affects all parts of your life, because your sleep is your regenerative phase. That's where you recoup all your lost energy and you let your cells and your corpuscles and everything rejuvenate and recombobulate into the person you are today. That's what's made you. What you are today is sleeping, Brian.

And that's, you should do more of it. And if you're on a helic sleep mattress, like I said, boom, you touch that thing. Every organ in your body is just going to go, it's like they unplug you. Metaphorically, it'll be like they unplugged you and you're going to have a good night's sleep, but in reality and in the real world, outside of slumberland,

your body will be there, your soul and mind will be intact. Are you saying that your soul and mind leaves your body and goes out into the real world while you're still laying on the helix sleep mattress as a physical being? Can you look down on people, Brian, in the big cities? And see their ant-like presence because you're floating up there. And God damn.

Listen, poor Casper, the friendly ghost, every time you tried to say a lot of us up, but they screamed and ran, the point, ladies and gentlemen, the point is, the point is. We all need a good night's sleep, and this is a safe and fun. I shouldn't say fun. You don't think of it as a fun night's sleep. It's a good night's sleep that we endorse. We have these mattresses here at Last Manor, and of course, Jim has them.

over there in the house, inside the house. I'm looking forward this holiday season to having a good night's sleep on one of the Helix mattresses I have because I'm so busy I'd never get a chance to lay down. But folks, if you don't have that, if you'd like to just stretch out and lay there like they're ready to have words spoken over you, right now go to helixleip.com slash JCE because I'll tell you what if you use that code slash jCE you're going to get 27% off the fine mattresses that whether they're firm or whether they're hard or whether they're soft or whether the boys be bouncy whatever it may be you will love to bounce your boys around on a helig metaphorically of course on a

helix sleep mattress helix sleep dot com slash jcee 27% off i they keep doing this and i don't know why They won't tell us why they're giving people this kind of deal. Must be some kind of fucking Honduran money laundering strategy. It's a regular, good old-fashioned American business, doing American business stuff. Helix Sleep, a great mattress for you one more time, Jim, that promo code. Helixleep.com slash J-C-E. I thought Helix was of French descent. All right, Jim, we will now attempt to move on, if that is indeed possible here on the show.

Jim, before we get back to wrestling talk, have you been following the news, the reports in the news about the, I don't know if we would call it a love triangle, an affair that ruined the relationship? If it's a triangle, it's a menage my twas. The Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Olivia Nuzi, if that's how you say your name, or Nuzi, I don't know, and Ryan Liza. Have you been following this whole thing? Well, no, I thought RFK or whatever is inhabiting the desiccated corpse of RFK, I thought he's married to that painfully thin, bone-like woman that was on the Larry Sanders show. You got all of that wrong. She was on Larry David's show, Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Yeah, Larry, no, who was Larry Sanders? That was Gary Shandling, the genius Gary Shandling. That's right. Okay. Well, then, okay. Hey now. Larry David would be the guy that she, what now? she was on his show and now she's married to this fucking clown.

And I don't know if she's painfully thin. She appears to be in shape. She looks gaunt. Apparently, while he was running for president, he started having, it seems like everyone at least agrees on this, a virtual affair with this reporter, Olivia Newsie, if that's how you pronounce her name. Oh, that would be great if that was her name. Newsie? She's a reporter. N-U-Z-I, how would you pronounce it? Nutsi She's fucking around with this fucking cretan, she probably is.

Purportedly, she wasn't fucking around. She's saying that... You know, that fucking word is not used enough these day, purportedly. A lot of things should be prefaced with purportedly. She's saying that it was just text messages and maybe, I think, some videos back and forth or some, you know, FaceTime, maybe some mutual masturbation.

I'm not exactly sure. Wait a minute. How? Maybe also the Dalmatian walked in. Now, you started very innocuously there and led to what? Does nobody just get on the phone and say, oh, you want to fuck anymore?

And it's, you know, I'll fuck you and you fuck me. And it's not. It's got to have video. Do they have lights set up in the room for this? How are they broadcasting? If you were going to cheat on your wife and you were Robert F. Kennedy Jr.,

and I don't think that's a new thing to him, right now, or at least at that point, it would have been as hard as it would have ever been. He had Secret Service. He was running for president. He had more media than he's ever had in his entire life, following him around. And also, you're going to write shit down virtually, as they say.

You're either on video or put things in email form, text form, whatever, that can be subpoenaed and called back from the, interclouds. And we'll get to some of the more of the details of this, but while all this was happening, this Olivia, newsy, nutsy, whatever she may be, was dating another journalist named Ryan Lizza. You may have seen him. I think he's been on MSNBC. I think he's been on various programs in the past. I feel like everyone works for like the same, like, this person used to work

Politico and now there are this one and now they're this one. He's one of those guys. You know, you know the name, you've seen him. He's bouncing around. I feel like I've heard the name. I couldn't piggy him out of a lineup right now. Well, apparently he discovered that his fiance, Olivia, was having this

at a minimum virtual affair with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. He exposed it. It got real messy. lost her job, he lost his job. Robert of Kennedy joined the of course, couldn't he lose his job?

He joined the cabinet instead. His marriage is still intact. And it was reported that it was just this virtual thing, but this Ryan Liza set up a substack. You know what substack is? Oh boy. Tell me what the substack is. I know the kids are screaming now.

It's something for reporters or journalists to put up their stuff and you could subscribe to them, as opposed to subscribing to a newspaper and getting whatever a newspaper delivers in 2025, you go journalist by journalist a la carte, and you pick whose stuff you want to read. Well, he's set up one, and he's... See, I would just as a footnote, I would support that for columnists and people who write opinion pieces and essays and things of that nature, but no, I want some goddamn news from a corporation that has insurance and something to lose

in case of libel laws where they have a few standards. Nevertheless, go ahead. Well, he set up this substack and he's doing an entire series on this, because it's the only thing anyone who's ever heard of him wants to know about now. And I found out about it because the New York Post has a headline

here. Ryan Lizza reveals raunchy poem RFK Jr. allegedly sent to his then-fiance as he tells all. on Olivia Newsie. Have you been apprised of, are you aware of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s poetry?

I didn't know that he... Well, he's a poet. He don't know it, but his feet show it because they're longfellas. I didn't know that he dabbled in the prose, so to speak. Well, this is from part two of Ryan Liz's substack, substack.com. I guess just look for Ryan,

Lizza. Part two. Look for him. He's waving. He's waving. He's waving. He's trying to be found. This is from part two.

She did it again. Uh-oh. Because she previously had an affair with Mark Sanford, the South Carolina politician who disappeared for a time. Wait a minute. He was the guy that fucking said he was hiking the fucking Appalachian trail or something when he was off in a hotel fucking some woman. In Brazil or whatever it was.

In Brazil. That's what? What's the... Can't even go to the goddamn embassy suites in fucking, you know, Cleveland or something? He's got to go to Brazil? Well, apparently she had previously admitted to, according to Ryan Liza in part one, having an affair with Mark Sanford. This sounds like a heel program, but go ahead. She did it again.

It was four years later. Another presidential campaign. Another book project. another candidate whom she had profiled, another note, a poem, according to Olivia, though this time from the candidate to her. And now I'm going to read from this alleged poem from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Your open mouth awaiting my harvest. Oh, drink from me, love.

I mean to squeeze your cheeks to force open. your mouth. I hold your nose as you look up to me. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. No, she's got to be the one holding her nose, but go ahead. I hold your nose as you look up at me to encourage you to swallow. Don't spill a drop. I am a river. You are my canyon. I mean to flow through you. I mean to subdue and tame you, my love. Jim, I know you didn't study poetry, but what are your thoughts? You read that well. You read that well. It did not at all have the tone of like Mike Teney reading shit-stain's TV formats

in the production meet. You put some. I am no, Mike Tene. I'm not. I'm not into them. Yes. What are your thoughts on the poetry of, that he's sending to journalists that he's having affairs with? While he's running for president, apparently.

That's right. Well, I mean, he's, I don't even know where to start. at the state of him to begin with. Look at the crackpot shit he says. He's supposed to be the fucking secretary of health or whatever the fuck they've done to him. And he looks like literally a fucking saddlebag that was somehow animated with a voice.

And he's admitted to having a brainworm and swimming in sewage. And every member of his family has come out and said, please don't listen to this embarrassing. to our fucking legacy. And now he thinks he's goddamn Shakespeare if he was impersonating fucking John Holmes.

So I, is there a 25th amendment for these people? Like, kiddie, that's just, he's not really the guy, but he's close enough to shit to fuck it up and he's bat-shit-nuts. As crazy as a rainbow trout in a car wash.

Can somebody disbar him, suspend him? Because he's killing people with the anti-vaccine bullshit. Some uninformed people are going to take, I'm trying to say nice words, seriously, and not get vaccinated. And then we all have to deal with public health menaces because of their goddamn drooling, infectious children. when is enough enough with this fucking guy and I believe this

I believe this Ryan Lizzie here because if he was going to try to make something up he would have done a lot better job than that anybody with a functioning fucking brain well apparently she's put out a book or about to put out a book telling her side of the story and he's on substack

so we'll stay on top of the story see what other poetry or Is her mouth still open or is he let go of her fucking nose yet so she can tell her side of the story? That's crazy. Just him sitting there thinking about it and saying, here's what I'll write. Because it's either that or he copied and pasted it from another dirty text message to someone. But that's a crazy text message to send out. I don't care if you're having an affair or not.

Especially if you're running for fucking president. They're mentally in mentally, competent, the entire group of all of them. And people are just acting like it's normal. As I said, that was our real world Prince Andrew update for this week. Jesus, Craig, do you think, can RFK and Andrew move in together and do a reality show? The really odd couple. Well, we shall see what happens.

We'll stay on top of that story. Jim, before we go too much further, by popular demand... I think we've probably gone too far already, go ahead. By popular demand, the listeners are requesting your review of the star ratings from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter for AEW Full Gear. Why do they keep demanding this? Well, I think for a lot of people, it's their way of getting the news, finding out what's happening, what's going on, in and around the crazy world.

We could actually, we could just put on a rerun. Because just, just, what we need to do is just leave blanks for names. And then we will say, what did Dave think of blank versus blank? Because it was really the shits. And then you will say he gave it either four or five stars. Well, why don't we play Guess the Dave? And you try to tell me what you think his start. rating for the match will be.

Ah. Knowing that... Wild card, bitches. It's a real wild card because you know he'll give star ratings to matches that he doesn't like higher sometimes. Depends on who's in it. So this is a real test. Depends on who's in it.

Yeah. Well, they're okay. There you go. So pitch it to me. All right, let me pitch it to you. Ah. All right. Sounds like you're ready.

Getting warmed up here. Do a couple of push-ups. Here we go. Juice Robinson and Austin Gunn won a four-way for $200,000 over the Outrunners, the acclaimed, and Big Bill and Brian Keith in seven minutes and 25 seconds. Oh, good Lord, that sounds like a disaster. So he's not going to want to hurt anybody's feelings, but at the same time,

none of, particularly that we know of his darlings are in this, and as well, you've got to start somewhere so he can go. up for the Lollipop Guild, so he gave it three stars. All right, this may be an interesting baseline to go by for the rest of the night. Two stars. Two stars for Dave. Jesus Christ, did somebody have a fucking coronary

in the middle of the ring and shit themselves, projectile vomit into the crowd? According to Dave, it was nothing special as a match. So two stars means nothing special. he hates them guys. Big Boom, AJ, and QT. Marshal, the team of Boom and Doom. We never figured out why he's Doom.

Ratings? Beat Rocky Romero. Beat Rocky Romero and Trent Beretta. 11 minutes, 55 seconds. What do you think Dave gave it? Okay, he has a four-way tag team match, at least amongst mostly experienced somewhat professionals. And then he goes down to the gimmick match

with the guy from Jersey and his corpulent son, he gave this one two and a half. Pretty good, two and a quarter stars. So you're within a quarter of a star. That's as good as five stars. That's what I'm thinking. at least, you know, he had to go somewhere, and instead of going down, he just went up.

All right. Jim, no star rating for this one. Eddie Kingston and Hook defeated Anthony Henry and J.D. Drake one minute, 50 seconds. Why is there no star rating? Just a quick match to establish why Kingston and Hook were there since they were evolved in the main event finish. Okay, but did they just go out there and blow off? on those guys and they fell down, took them a minute and a half to cover them,

or did they give you a nice minute and a half with a decisive victory and got to point across and everybody's shit looked good? That's really interesting. What do you think? I mean, do you think there should be almost, do you think there should be a limit? It has to be a certain length of time at least to register on the scale, or is it just okay, well, by that line of his thinking, Bruno Samertino versus Buddy Rogers and Madison Square Garden on May 17.

1963, it wasn't worth rating. Nothing special. Nothing special. Jim, the final match on the pre-show as well as the opening match on the pay-per-view show, Mystico and Mascarra Dorata and Neon

the defeat Kazushka Okada, Konoske-Tekeshta, and Hecacero to retain the CMLL-L-World Trio's title in 13 minutes. What do you think Dave gave it? You know, I must say, I like Neon's entrance music. He shall be Neon. That's terrible.

That is just terrible. What, Dee? And he shall be Neon. He shall have a good match. Well, how good of a match do you think it was? That's the question. So well, two of the competing. competitors in the match didn't join it until they fucking blew off the pyro in the middle of the thing

and ran off the goddamn cable television broadcast to go to the pay-per-view, and then the other guy just pulled up in his car because he didn't give a shit, and it was a mess from start to finish, so Dave had to give this one three and a half. Once again, within the range, three and three-quarter stars. Oh, geez, almost four. I would have guessed four. I would have guessed that Dave gave this four because of Okada. And I would have guessed four.

Jim, PAC defeated Darby Allen. 16 minutes, 58 seconds. Before you tell me what you think Dave gave it, I'll just tell you that Dave wrote great match, but a weak finish. Actually, it was a great match followed by the last week eight minutes, but nevertheless. We had to give that four stars, and it was potentially the most palatable thing on the program,

but just because of it's Darby, and he did a real, real fine job. Oh, I don't have my horn here. I would hit it. Jim, four stars. You got it. There you go. I'm predicting.

Oh, my God, I'm thinking like Dave. What in that? hell. You've gotten good at this. Somebody give me some kind of medicine. Jim, Tony Storm and Mina Shirakawa defeated Marina Sheffir and Megan Bain, Sky Blue and Julia Hart, and Willow Nightingale and Harley Cameron 13 minutes, 11 seconds. What a Dave give this match? Well, obviously, I did not study it closely, so I can't, but I would imagine, and Brian, I'm sure you paid some moderate attention, but from the sound of it, it was scrambled eggs.

I don't know whether or not that Dave has any favorites there, but he doesn't want to hurt any of the girls' feelings, I'm sure, because he's a compassionate fellow, three and a quarter. Again, within the range, three stars. Oh, I'm, no, he's being more honest than I gave him credit for. Match was all action. I'm sure it was. Here's an interesting one for you, Jim. FTR defeated Brody King and Bandito

to win the AEW World Tag Team Championship 20 minutes, 11 seconds. What did Dave give it? Well, as I recall again, that if you overlook... Dave loves Bandito, because he loves all of that stuff,

if you overlook Bandito's sloppy work, FTR made the mistake they make every time of having a really good or possibly great sometimes or sometimes just as good as it could possibly be tag match and then going five, seven more minutes and just gets lost and the opponents can't keep up or it just Jesus Christ overstays the welcome because it's too complicated. But having said that, I'm sure Dave loved the action

4.5 stars. Jim 5 star match. This was one of the best tag team matches of the year, great spots, great build. The match story was all about making Bandito look incredible since he was the one losing the fall at the end. Well, then they failed in their mission if it was all about making Bandito look incredible

because he still looks half the shits to me. But in that case, the FTRJ White Juice Robinson tag match from a couple of years ago would have to be somewhere around seven to seven and a half stars. Because that's the disparity in what the quality of the two matches were to me. But Dave do go on. Jim Rickashay became the first AEW national champion winning the casino gauntlet, 22 minutes, 53 seconds.

This parade of underneath talent, unimpressive, boring, bland, charisma-less fodder, along with the stupidity of the hurt syndicate, just going to sleep for 20 minutes,

and the rest of the botch-ups, he had to have kind of be halfway honest, even though there were people in here he didn't want to offend. But there's also other people in there. He could say, well, they all sucked. So he charitably gave this three stars. Four star match.

Four stars in the Observer. Jim, the next match, the ninth match of the night. Kyle O'Reilly defeated John Moxley in a no rules match 19 minutes, 16 seconds. What did it get in the observer? And boy, when you hear the actual

times written out, you realize it's longer and more cumbersome than you even imagine. It's Boxley. He don't want to offend Moxley. He's probably scared of Boxley. This had to be a four-star match. I'm not even going to

attempt to justify why he would do it, but it has to be. Four and three quarter stars. Oh, gosh. It's as good as five. What are we arguing about then? What did, this earth-shaking performance

by, again, what is he looking at? With Moxley, especially. The idea that this fucking guy's fake bullshit and his sloppy work and his goofy demeanor is somehow palatable to the, all right. A few more matches, Jim. Mark Briscoe defeated Kyle Fletcher

in 24 minutes 49 seconds to win the TNT title in a no-d-Q match. This was thumbtacks, and didn't they wrap something in barbed wire? And they had, I can't, it all blurs. I don't know what stupid, nonsensical games. gimmicks that don't exist in the real world that they used in this one. But again, you know, the people love Mark Briscoe, and they all bled buckets, and he wants to, Uncle Dave wants to put old Kyle over, so it's got to be four and a half,

doesn't it? Five star match. Gosh, all right. That's two so far on this card, although Moxley and Kyle O'Reilly was just about there. the Young Bucks and Josh Alexander defeated Kenny Omega and the Jurassic Express 19 minutes, six seconds, winner gets a million dollars

Jesus Christ, when you say it out loud Jim, what do you think? How many stars do you think this got in The Observer? Well, I mean, these are Dave's adopted children. So what's it going to be like at Christmas If he's given these other guys It'll be like Robert F. Kennedy and Olivia Nutsi

and the fucking river of semen flowing through the fucking back of the throat His river will get cut off. It'll be just like that, ladies and gentlemen. Just like all these things that you see on the news that's got to be five and a quarter. quarter then, right, because the buckaroos are in it? How is he

going to tell them they didn't do as good as his other guys? This is somewhat telling. Four and a half stars. How did he blame fucking Alexander, or who did he put the blame on? It's not just the bucks. Omega's in that, too. What does that tell you? What, that's? Jesus. Four and a half star

match for the bucks in Omega. Of course, it wasn't worth two fridge fried titty fucks and a fucking slimy onion. but what did he find wrong with it? He didn't say anything was wrong with it. Oh, it just wasn't as good as the other. I'm looking through his notes here,

just kind of saying what move went into the next move into the next move and no real commentary on the match itself. He loves to talk about the moves, doesn't he? Jim, Chris Statlander defeated Mercedes Monet 23 minutes one second. Okay, again. Wow, I didn't realize it went that long. Wow.

Oh, I thought it, I thought one of them could have got impregnated and fucking giving birth. In the time it took him to finish that thing. But he's got to admit that people were like, Jesus, age Christ, will they please get out of this thing? And let's just get this over with by that point. And it drug on. And will he charitably? because he don't want to offend Miss Moon? Give it three and a half, maybe now?

Jim, four and a quarter stars. What the fuck is... What is he looking at? I think it's a star for every five minutes. That match was as good as many flare and steamboat main events and Kurt Angle and fucking Undertaker and Michaels and all these other... And that, that, that, that.

And finally, Jim, one more match. Samoa Joe defeated Adam Page in a cage match to win the AEW title in 14 minutes and 22 seconds, which Dave notes here, the shortest pay-per-view main event in the history of the company. What do you think, did you do? And how long was it? 14 minutes, 22 seconds. Jesus Christ, and that does tell that they have some excessive fucking matches. If that's the shortest pay-per-view main event in the history of the company, 15 minutes.

No wonder the show's never fucking in. Because every once in a while, it just, it deserves it. Just get in and get out. But anyway, this, I've seen more excitement people trying to roller skate and fucking quicksand, then was going on here for the most part, and it was five hours or whatever into this thing, I don't know what he's going to say, but to me, even him being charitable is this three and a half. Three and a half stars.

Holy shit. So you're two for 13, two for 13. That's pretty good, though. I think that's pretty good. I think that's pretty good. Now, whether any of these ratings of mine or his were it any way exact, is the answer to that is no, but I was trying to guess what he would say, and he still astounded me with his goddamn verbal fallacious.

What are your thoughts on main event time, the length of time that the main event has, I guess, just the variety of matches, of every match, if this is the shortest match for any AW, did he say pay-per-view? yeah, pay-per-view main event. There's never been a match shorter than 14 minutes and 22 seconds. Does that say that, I mean, is that a problem? Is it not a problem?

Yes, yes, it's a big problem because it shows that they're deliberately writing down, here is what we want you to go, or here's what you want to go, rather than here's what you ought to go. And sometimes you ought to go. And that's the example that I mentioned the most pivotal, important business-changing match in history.

Rogers and San Martino was 48 seconds. And one of the reasons it was memorable is it was such a quick and concise defeat of a major fucking superstar that it made. the guy that did it. And you can't do that but once in a generation or whatever, but still it fits the fucking criteria. And

how many times have you seen a classic match from the any of the territories on YouTube or whatever where they went and they blew into the ring and they tore the house down for eight to ten minutes

and the finish and my God and there's people snatching at people and it's just chaos. Sometimes that's called for, but you never get it anymore because everybody's worried about filling up their fucking times they can have a classic match. And the reason why in the territories the classic matches

are not remembered because of how long they were but because they needed to be that long to for those guys to be that good. you didn't if you were drawing money with specific guys with specific styles you you

went with their styles the sheke drew money but he didn't go fucking 30 minutes he went five and it burned his territory out but not until he'd made millions of dollars if he'd pull back on it a couple years quicker everybody would have

prospered but it can it is sometimes necessary because of the style of whoever you get over. Jimmy Valiant drew, I don't know how much money, not only in Memphis, but in the Carolinas. Right before the 86 boom, Jimmy Valiant was as hot in the Carolinas in 84 and 85

as Dusty Roads and Ricky Steamboat or goddamn the Rock and Roll Express when they first came in. You have seen the footage. It was goddamn amazing. nobody wanted to see Jimmy Vagin go 15 minutes because at that point he was in his 40s and it was the gimmick and the promo and he, Jay Uso,

except they're making Jay Uso go fucking 30 minutes. His entrance goes 30 minutes. But that is the problem and that's the problem why the matches blur together and seem the same. The booking, one of the responsibilities of booking is to determine the length of the matches.

And you don't just go to the guys and say, okay, I want you to win and just how much time do you need because they'll always say, oh, we're going to have a classic. No, part of the story, part of the fucking ongoing saga between the rivalry between these two entities can be that they had a fucking fast-paced goddamn knock-down drag-out match and it was over quick and the next time the guy's going to go longer because he's going to do this and that it's a roller coaster so you tell the guys how long you want them to go and you say i wanted to jump start it

the heel-fuggy gets heat on the baby face who gets hope spots until finally in seven or eight minutes he blows his big comeback and then the goddamn fucking other guy jumps in or you have the guy kicked in the nuts or whatever the fuck it doesn't all have to be half an hour long because then there's something to come back with and come back over instead of just we've done everything we know how to do and now we'll get out of it so that's depending on the style of the persons involved and how over they were and how over one guy was where you played to his strengths, and depending on the story that was being told amongst these entities over a long-term basis, you would have long matches and short matches and

everything in between all through the dawn of goddamn time and wrestling. Only the marks who now inhabit various positions in all the companies, apparently, think that a match has to be 30 minutes long for it to be classic. Well, those were the star ratings in The Observer for AEW Full Gear 2025, as well as a little bit about the main event match length. Jim AEW, the one thing they say. Yes. They purport, to use that word again,

they purport that their pay-per-views have had tremendous sales. and you've heard Dave Meltzer say it too. You could say whatever you want, the paper views are doing great. And when you look at what the television ratings are, it is a remarkable conversion rate. It's something that you have to wonder if it's indeed true,

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That's what it is. Cannon balls. Jim, as we move on here, we have a few more things we're going to hit today and we'll see what else we do. Well, don't you threaten me? Some sad news coming in. People are already sending it in

wanted to get your thoughts. I had not seen this when we started recording. I have an Instagram tweet from CM Punk. A picture of Larry the dog. Oh no! The grief we carry is the price we pay for unconditional love. Our little Larry

crossed the rainbow bridge, wrapped tightly in our arms. He was safe and happy, surrounded by love. We rescued Larry from Paul's Chicago in February of 2015, and he changed our lives. I could never in one million years find the words to properly express how much we loved him, nor how much joy he brought us. Nothing I write, no picture I post,

would do him justice. He lived a long, amazing life. He watched sunsets, he chased skateboards. He made everywhere we went with him home. What a privilege to be so heartbroken and devastated for having experienced such a bond. I wouldn't change anything. Our boy is at rest. The house is quiet, but we still hear the jingle of his necklace and the tip-taps of his little feet on the hardwood floors. He will always be near. we will always feel him our hearts are broken until we see you again

sweetest bobo we love you forever and that's from CM Punk on Instagram the sad news a wrestling celebrity of sorts I would say actually over the last several years Larry the dog there are literally action figures and T-shirts

yes we have some we have some here at the house and oh and I was just saying at the Survivor's series, he wore the jacket saying Larry's dad. And I don't know whether to say I hope it was sudden or I hope it wasn't sudden. Maybe he knew Larry was sick if that was the case. But I don't know. After going through it with baby, I don't know whether it's worse if it comes up just all

of a sudden or if you know about it ahead of time. At least you have time to prepare. But then you, you know, you have to think about it longer, and it's just, neither one is easy. I hate to hear that. Oh, and Stacy's such a big fan of Larry's too. She ordered all the merchandise. I actually recently just got a glow-in-the-dark fluorescent Larry the dog figure from zombie sailor toys. I was like, what is this?

A glow-in-the-dark fluorescent Larry, I somehow need this. But very sad news, we send our sympathies and positive vibes to. CM Punk and AJ Lee. You have to think maybe as well-traveled a dog in wrestling history, well, Matilda. Matilda kind of went around everywhere. Well, Matilda didn't enjoy it as much, I'm sure. And her run was a briefer even though she made more towns. Well, Jim, staying on the topic of wrestling news happening as we are recording,

have you seen the latest news about TNA? Yeah, AMC. That's right. That used to stand for American movie classics, and it was like Turner Classic movies with commercials. They just played classic movies. Then they got the Walking Dead and the very, I don't know what else have they had.

I haven't watched AMC and forever. Mad Men was the movie. best show on that. Okay, I'm madman. Oh, yeah. But, and it's, I've, we used to watch Walking Dead all the time and then it just, it went on and on and it didn't look like the human race was ever going to win and we got distracted.

But what is there, I haven't perused their schedule in a while. Are they just open for anything now? They've got cooking shows. They got the, the, the wrestling now. What's going on at AMC that, of course, breaking bad? They want wrestling. Yeah, I forgot about breaking bad. I should mention that here, too, because that's a fantastic show.

Well, now, what was Better Call Saul on? That was AMC also, I believe, right? Okay, that's the last time that I watched AMC was when we were calling Saul. AMC is like A&E. You know, these channels started around the same time. They started as one thing. I remember arts and entertainment after Nickelodeon would go off the air.

Oh, yeah. Arts and entertainment has neither arts nor entertainment on anymore. That's right. Right. It was supposed to be, you know, the goddamn opera. Now it's somebody fucking tooting opera on a kazoo out there, ass. Well, I have a press release, I believe, here. TNA's flagship TV show, I don't know why I said it like that.

TNA's flagship TV show, Thursday Night Impact, will be brought to AMC and AMC Plus. After a multi-year agreement made... Oh, God damn it, they've got a plus too. Everyone does. After a multi-year agreement made between AMC Networks, and TNA Wrestling. We are super excited to bring the in-ring excitement, energy, and drama of T&A wrestling to AMC,

said T&A Wrestling President Carlos Silva. TNA wrestling heads into 2026, the hottest it has ever been. With intense rivalries and a fan base that loves TNA stars, we cannot wait to expand the TNA audience with our new partner, AMC Networks, which is such a long and storied history of serving passionate and engaged fans

across many shows and franchises through this new media rights deal. The two-hour Thursday Night Impact premiere on January 15th and become a weekly event on AMC and AMC Plus. And finally a quote here from Dan McDermott, chief content officer of AMC networks and the president of AMC Studios, TNA's impressive growth and success is driven by the stories, characters, and non-stop action fans love. We put fans at the center of everything we do, and TNA has built its brand and its programming around that same dedication and focus.

what a great opportunity to come together and make Thursday night impact and dynamic and entertainment on Thursday night weekly event on AMC and AMC Plus starting next month so let's talk about this TNA on AMC

that's the best home they've had on cable since Spike wouldn't you say well yes it may be be and no it may not be. And before, again, everybody's going to hear just what they want to hear, but there's things about both sides on this. Let's just look at it, because I don't give a shit whether anybody watches any of this stuff

or not, be quite honestly. But AMC may be available in a competitive number of homes or some of the other cable networks, outlets, whatever. but it depends in a large part. It has a lot to do with it as to what type of audience is watching that. Because CNN, or not CNN, but C-SPAN, C-SPAN, where they just show Congress fucking talking to people in the goddamn meetings.

That's on all the cable systems, but nobody watches it. Or what was the goddamn deal that wrestling on? Destination America. Remember when it ended up? They had some homes, but still no wrestling fans were going to Destination America. And maybe they're like me. They haven't watched AMC in a while. It depends on what audience that they have cultivated at AMC.

They're obviously trying to get new and different ones now, which means maybe that it's not that great, because it's not how many homes you're available in. It's how many homes have actually been watching you. And what have they been watching you for? Is it Lifetime? What if they put wrestling on Lifetime? You think would the wrestling fans go,

where the fuck did wrestling go? Or would suddenly a bunch of, I don't know what is their demographic is, 30-something to 50-something-year-old women's? Oh, we love wrestling. It depends on where it is. For that audience. And what wrestling?

Yeah, for that audience, I think if you tailored a wrestling show for the Lifetime audience would be a very interesting thing. It would have to be that. it couldn't just be like, here's TNA. AMC networks. That's what I'm,

that's just what I'm saying is that it depends on if people are, any television station, local, national network, whatever, not only depends on whether people are watching it, but what kind of people are watching it. And whether or not it's going to require a mass switch in people's habits.

And then if it does require that, then basically, their TNA audience they've had is going to go over to watch TNA on AMC. Are they going to watch any of the other shit that's on AMC? We don't know. Well, AMC in any way enhance

TNA's audience. That's the interesting thing, because if they have AMC plus, not knowing what's on it, but knowing that AMC owns BBC America, IFC, Sundance TV, and Wii TV. We TV? Those are all like neat. channels. They all have their audiences. They're not big audiences. But I don't know if there's

going to be like a crossover. If it's like, you know, now... Are people going to the British Broadcasting Corporation to see wrestling unless it's world of sport? And certainly not the modern version. They tried the wheel out a few years ago. No, they're not. But that's my point. Wrestling fans, you know, you'd have to subscribe to their app. It still comes down to the same issue. It's either if you have cable or streaming, if it's only available on their app on streaming, that may be an issue, because what's their app cost?

Is there anything else built into it that people are going to really want like an HBO Max or Netflix or anything? And then in terms of the channel, they can have to promote it. We'll see if WWE helps them. That'll be interesting. It'll be interesting how much WWE helped them,

but going forward. Who is the corporate overlord? They're independent. baiter of AMC. AMC networks, I believe is independent. Let me click on

Wikipedia. Well, nobody's independent now. There's not one guy that owns all those networks and says, you know what, I'm going to have

the feather bottoms help me do the mailing and run it out of my house. There's some goddamn corporation behind this. It used to be Rainbow Media. Oh,

this is the Dolan family. Oh, the Dolans. Well. Key people, James Dolan non-executive chairman, Kristen Dolan, CEO. So this comes out of Cablevision originally. Are those the Doolin Dolans?

No, these Dolans... Who the fuck are the Doolins? You're just like they're a house-old name to you. Oh, no, I don't know the Dahl. We used to exchange cards, but we've lost touch. The Dolan family, Charles Dolen, started HBO, started Madison Square Garden cable, started Cablevision. His family took over Cable Vision eventually and sold it off,

sold it off actually. Owned Madison Square Garden, own Radio City Music Hall, own the Beacon Theater. They own the sphere in Las Vegas. Jesus Christ. Their cousins used to own the Cleveland Indians. One day we'll tell the story on the air about the complete fucking debacle that is Evergreen podcasts. We got a fucking story about that one day. That's not them, too. That's one of the members of the Dolan family. That was a woman who was a Dolan, who was funding that nonsense. I thought she was just adult.

So they have money, they own the Knicks, the Rangers, and they also, they now have... This is Tony Kahn's worst nightmare if somebody in that family is a wrestling fan. James Dolan gets so much negative press and everything because of, you know, him, that he now has, they have like, they had this before it was, I guess, more commonplace, censors at Madison Square Garden that pick up what your face is. And if you're one of the lawyers representing a firm that is suing Madison Square Garden for any reason, they kick you out of the garden.

There's been numerous stories. There's been numerous stories in the past a couple of years. Like this lawyer, not just like some civilian, this lawyer went to see some concert and security wouldn't let him in. They threw him out because he was suing the garden. Well, now, has anybody tested this thing? can they wear like a fake beard or anything? How do you get around this?

You have to go all Hollywood and get to the makeup chair or just fucking some sunglasses and a goddamn little Gomez-Adam's mustache? I don't know. I don't know, but James Dolan got into a fight with Charles Oakley, one of my favorite Knicks growing up, threw him out of the garden, banned him from the garden. Hey, I want to see, I want to see, now that is a fight I want to see. James Dolan versus the W.W.E. T-K.O.

James Dolan needs to buy Tony out and then start a real goddamn company, Pinocchio, and fight the big evil overlords up there in Stanford. So we could have some real knockdown, dragout bullshit. James Dolan? James Dolan is best known for inheriting his father's business. And then doing something... He sounds like he's a vindictive, son of a bitch, though,

and that would make this thing juicy. That's what makes it even funnier. He has another passion, which is music. and he fashions himself as a bluesman. And he had this band that he put together, because they put up a video after years of hearing about it, like people scoffing about it in the newspaper, but never hearing or seeing any examples,

this video went up. The band was no problem. The band was a good band. He was like the lead singer and harmonica player. and it was terrible, but here's the funny thing. Because he loves music, even though it wasn't necessarily his thing, and he owns all these buildings, he got Irving Azoff, the manager of the Eagles,

to book him as the opening band for the Eagles as part of like the bigger deal between Dolan and Azov for more Eagles stuff. So he was the opening act. It was like J.D. in the straight shot. He's JD, James Dolan, just billionaire's son out there playing the harmonica. Maybe on second thought, we need to see this guy against Tony Collins. P.K.O. out of it now. I'm thinking, that could be a fucking fun little feud.

Yeah. Surprise you're not aware of him just because he's notorious. They bought the Knicks and the Knicks, with the exception of the last year and a few times, you know, a few other moments. The Knicks had not been good since. And again, very vindictive. I don't keep up with the Knickerbockers since, you know. Yeah.

Since Willis Reed. I know. I got it. But wait a minute. Was it Wilts Chamberlain? Was he a Knickerbocker? No. No, he was never on the Knicks.

Who was a Knickerbocker from the 50s? From the 50s? Yes. I'm here. I'm seeing a. a documentary I saw once. And here's the big New York Knickerbocker. What about Clyde Frazier?

You know him? You know Clyde? From the commercials about his hair, right? That's right. Yes. He's a very her suit, gentleman. Senator Bill Bradley? Remember Bill Bradley?

Now, I remember Milton. I voted for Milton when I was a kid. Any other thoughts on TNA's new home? I don't know. What were we talking about? Oh, AMC. Yeah, I don't know whether anybody's going to watch this shit or not on AMC over there. We'll see what happens.

When we watched it, it wasn't that fucking great to begin with, but, you know, there's people that'll watch anything. They get higher ratings, they just aired that show with us doing commentary over it, just muted everything that was actually happening, a lot of shit on it. And we can sit in the, you know, they can have the

Mystery Science Theater 3,000 little cutouts of us there. And AMC, I'm just looking to see if there's any other channels. Yeah, those are the big ones, and they have a whole bunch of streaming services. Well, at least, I know. we get the AMC here on our cable because it's not like access now is on our cable also at no extra charge. When it was HDNet and I was producing a show on it, I had to pay $10 extra a month just to get that channel to watch the fucking show that I was doing.

If Tony was worried at all, and I'm not saying he was, about where T&A would end up and how that would affect him in the future, you think those worries are over now? Well, I mean, just because it's so much more wrestling that there's there's got to be a breaking point for even the base couple hundred thousand people that are the ones that watch the TNAs and or the Ring of Honors and or the AEWs and or the New Japan's and or the other alternate wrestling programming

that's out there to where they've got to, I mean, is it now a thing they're going to have to do to just, let's take off next week from work so we can sit and catch up on all these fucking multi-hour shows. It's a lot of shit to watch. I think it's just going to dilute the pool at this point, but I don't think it's going to appreciably affect Tony's numbers more than they've already been affected by whatever Tony's been doing.

Are you speaking to me? I was having a great conversation here on mute. that was television news ladies and gentlemen and with that we shall return after this short commercial timeout you know what that means jim it's time for the windup here we're going to get ready to get ready to yeah that means the station break music is getting longer every time is what that means we have a lot more to cover on the experience in just a few days but one last big story here at the end jim

i don't even know where to begin have you been i know where you're going Have you been following the Rick Flair-Hulk Hogan Street Drugs controversy? Well, hopefully you will bring some more context to it, but I will say that I have been following the reports that apparently on some type of interview or program or somewhere, Rick Flair made the comments that poor Hulk Hogan, apparently he died from street drugs because he had, had so many surgeries he was in so much pain the doctors wouldn't give him enough whatever and he resorted to some i don't know he sent emissaries out he's laid up in bed or whatever and i guess he would have sent emissaries out to find him street drugs which then killed him which that's what he's he said that what i've been told is blah blah blah blah blah blah and apparently he shouldn't have told what he'd been told,

but stopping right there before we hear the resolution of it, even if you were told that about a friend of yours, would you go on like fucking midday New York on NBC or whatever? So, by the way, I heard that my friend Joe used to live down the street from me in Long Island. Yeah, he died of fucking black tar heroin or what? He's done this before. I want to say it was, I don't even remember how many.

years ago, didn't he like announce that Blackjack Mulligan was about to die when no one knew that Black Jack Mulligan was sick or at least that sick? Is that the right? Is that the one I'm thinking of? I don't know. I don't want to comment any further because it'll help Barry Rick when he's doing a good enough job himself. I'm just thinking that wouldn't you have thought twice before you publicly said that about a worldwide figure who also allegedly a friend of yours? if it wasn't already out in a general public sphere. Well, I have the quote here, the exact quote. This is from the double coverage podcast.

Rick Flair said about Hulk Hogan, I talked to him the day before he died. I shouldn't say this, but what killed him was street drugs. And the doctor wouldn't prescribe him anymore. He was to stop laughing. You're getting to laugh. I was just, I was just,

I shouldn't say this, but you know, goddamn, I have pictures of him fucking an assolot. When the doctor wouldn't prescribe anymore, he was in so much pain. Then he had a neck surgery and got infected. So back in the hospital,

imagine 10 back surgeries, two knees, two hips, all this, and then when the doctor would not prescribe any more pain medication, they just couldn't do it. It all due conscious. So they went and got the drugs off the street.

His body just said, you know what? Bingo, I can't do it anymore. Sad. Sad. And who's they? Then he's implicating. Think about this. Hogan's family, I guess his ex-wife or whoever is involved in it with her,

aren't they in the middle of a malpractice lawsuit saying that it was medical malpractice that caused some issue? Well, then the defense of that can come back and say, well, his best friend said he was taking fucking meth. I don't know what he's doing. Yeah, how's Rick Fuhr helping anyone by saying? Yes, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, his best friend said he's out here on all his goddamn street drugs. He could have been drinking fucking Clorox. We don't know.

How is that Well, again, that's a quote from the double coverage podcast, obviously a very serious interview with Rick Flair. He then put out a tweet. Let me read this to you, Jim. This is from his Twitter account at Rick Flair, N-A-T-R boy from November 28th, 347 p.m. I'm going to try to read this the best I can. Everything is capitalized here. You've got to do that on purpose.

Don't you? You do. You do. It's a choice. There seems to be some controversy over my remarks that street drugs killed Hulk Hogan. I only was repeating what I know to be fact through family members. So now he's pointing the fingers at them. No?

Hold on this more. After 11 back surgeries, hip replacements, knee replacement, shoulder replacement, and two neck surgeries, I am sure the pain was unbearable. A doctor, as I know, can only prescribe so much pain medication under the medical guidelines. I've been told that all they did was to help him not to hurt him, to help him get through the night and the pain. Eventually, that catches up with you, as we know, as we know with everybody. he was my friend

a man I respected and his family drugged him and killed him what is the world why do you have could he take out a billboard why do you have to announce these things and if he's concerned about this shouldn't he call some authorities

he was my friend a man I respected and I'm only reporting what I've been told nothing more nothing less. By who? This was not an attempt to mean Hulk Hogan or his legacy. I've always referred to him as being one of the two biggest stars in the industry,

himself, and Steve Austin. I apologize if people misunderstood my statement, Hulkomania forever. Oh, no. But, okay, again, even if there, let's say that there was any validity to this because we don't know where it came from, but is this something that you just discuss willy-nilly out on podcasts and tweet about? And apparently if you have the most recent communique from Nage, Hogan's wife wasn't real happy about it.

You got to imagine it's like some kind of group text to her, Nick Hogan, a few other people. Who the fuck is talking to Rick Flair? Because that's what he's saying. I know when they were doing this, they were driving around doing this. You think it's Brooke? Because Brooke ain't with the rest of the click there anymore, is she? She's not,

but she seems like she kind of has her shit together. I don't think she was the most normal one. Yeah, I don't think she's turning to Rick Flair right now. Rick, you have such a great way of handling the press. Go out there and say this. By the way, Rick, I really want to get you fired up. The drug dealers in a job. description.

Yeah, I don't know there's any defending this, but we have another article here. Possibly Linda the Looney. Oh, I know what they did. I know what they did, Rick. They killed him. Well, he said, I'm talking to the family. That's a very vague.

Could be anyone. Could be Randy. Maybe it was Charlie Manson. All right, anyway, the most recent. Well, this is not the most recent. This is the second to most recent. This is from yesterday as we are recording December 1st, 2025 from TMZ Sports.

Hulk Hogan's widow denies Rick Flair's claim street drugs didn't kill WWE legend. You know they're common drugs, something you find on every street. Rick Flair's shocking claim that street drugs killed Hulk Hogan

is simply not true. This, according to the wrestling legend's widow, who tells TMZ sports that the nature boy was fed some bad info. Flair, why do they write like that? I wonder if it was in liquid or solid form. Flair recently.

Now you're a goddamn newscaster. Flair recently addressed, Straight to your shit out there, pal. Flair recently addressed Hogan's death on the double coverage podcast when he stated that he spoke with Hulk the day before he passed about his deteriorating health. There it is. It had speech patterns. Flair claimed Hogan's doctors stopped prescribing him.

Well, we already said all that stuff. We asked Hogan's widow, Sky, about Flair's comments. And she said point blank, that didn't happen at all. Sky, who also denied that Flair spoke to Halt. By the way, are we expected to trust someone named Sky? Our parents named her. I mean, unless it's like a nickname. You have a problem with Sky?

It just, it just, it sounds suspicious to me, but, you know, Sky, who also denied that Flair spoke to Hulk the day before his death. So she's calling bullshit on that too. Went on to say, it was a couple, couple months, maybe out of time flies. Went on to say that the icon was under constant care of the Morton Plant Hospital in Florida. So Nage had to have either been misinformed. or he misunderstood. Skye said the only changes to Hulk's medication

came following his neck procedure to ensure whatever he was taking did not impact his lungs. We spoke with two other family sources about Flair's claim, and they both stated it was completely untrue as well. They found the thing to unite the Hogan family and putting it in Rick Flares full of shit.

Oh, why is he doing this? The family isn't pissed at Flair. They know he was one of Hogan's close buddies and didn't mean any harm with his words, but they wanted to make it clear he got this one wrong. As we previously reported, Sky was planning to file a malpractice lawsuit over Hogan's death back in August,

although it's unclear if it's still in the works. And I know one material witness that will be called by the defense if it is. Rick Flair, once again, Jim took to Twitter to address Sky's comments to TMZ Sports. He can't just call her on the phone. Once again, everything, every first letter is capitalized.

It's a photo posted of him with Hulk Hogan. Seems to be from a little while back. There's a man doing a cameo in the background. Looks like a modern-day Uncle Fister. It better be from a little while back if it's him and Hogan. What a goddamn shit's Rick Pulling these days? then. Rick Flair wrote, Okay, Sky, I got bad information according to you.

Oh! I should have never mentioned it. I have known Hogan since 1979. Since before you were born, young lady. Let's just move past this and concentrate on his legacy. Period. End of story. Let's preserve his legacy, and that's in caps,

rather than dwell on any negative energy. I repeat, Hulkomania forever. He's the one who created the negative energy. I was about to say that didn't sound like a full-throated apology for getting the facts. Okay, well, you and the family say one thing, but I was told another thing. So we'll just agree to he was great. And don't dwell on the negative things. that I said that you had to rebut to TMZ.

And who knows who he talked to? That's another question. If you have any kind of medical issue, do you want Rick Flair knowing at this point, have you heard too much? Where you're like, you know, don't tell Rick. I know he's my friend. Don't tell him what's going on with anything with us.

Oh, Rick, I tell you, I got these hemorrhoids. Oh, you know, never mind. I'm doing great. Because it's going to cry. At some point, it's going to be like, my friend, yeah, you hear he's leaving his wife. Yeah, he's just waiting. And then it's going to get out.

What the fuck? I had the wrong information. I'm sorry. I take it all back, according to you. I'm glad that he never did work on any government contracts. He would be at a security risk. Rick can't keep things to himself anymore. There was a time.

What they wanted him to run for, was it governor or senator in North Carolina? Oh my God, I think it was governor. It was governor, I believe. That was a long while. So we would have known all the fucking gory details about what was going on in North Carolina. Rick Flair in an affair with Olivia Nuzzi. Hear the text message. Well, the airplane press pool would have been traveling by helicopter.

I think, Jim, that brings us full circle here today. That's the latest. the Rick Flair Hulk Hogan file and with that the drive-thru, let me reach this, is closed. One of these needs to be too. Well, your twiddler is more pleasant than your

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