Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 423: Jim Reviews John Cena's Final Match

Episode Date: December 20, 2025

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews Saturday Night's Main Event with John Cena's final match! Plus Jim reviews WWE Raw, and answers YOUR questions about Rob Reiner, Mick Foley cutting ties with WWE, CM Punk in AEW vs. WWE, days off, the NWA Jr. Heavyweight Title, and more! Plus songs! Thanks to our episode sponsors: DRAFTKINGS CASINO: Download the app or go to https://casino.draftkings.com and use code CORNETTE.  Play $5 to get 50 spins a day for 10 days on Cash Eruption slots. BRUNT:  Get $10 Off at BRUNT with code JCE at https://www.bruntworkwear.com/JCE #Bruntpod Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Hello again, friends. Hello again, friends. And you are our friends. And welcome back to another holiday season episode of Jim Cornett's drive-thru. I'm screaming again. I'm your host, the Great Brian last. Yes, yes. I am screaming.

Yes, you are. We got a big show today. Saturday night's main event, the retirement of John Sina. We're going to hear what the fans thought about that. We're going to hear what Jim Cornett thought about that. And speaking of which, here he is the leader of the cult of Cornett. Mr. Jim Cornett. Well, Brian, I was going to say that, you know,

on a day like this, when there's all kinds of bad news in the world, what the people need is a good up-tempo peppy, groovy kind of fucking fun music to just make them frolic a little bit and just let them wave their arms in the air and wave them like they just don't care. And then you played that. Hey. There was some element of you.

I just don't care in there, but I'm not sure it fit the other. I thought it was jolly and professional. I don't know what your problem is. It was, there was a touch of jolliness in there, but professional what? Professional disemboweling of a large rodent. That's kind of my sound. I don't know why you're criticizing the always. The disemboweled rodents.

That's another punk band. We need trademark. All right, well, like I said before, we have a lot to get to. And right here at the top of the show, Jim, I would like to wish Happy Hanukkah to all my fellow Jewish cult of Cornette members all throughout the land, everyone listening to this, hope everyone is having a wonderful Hanukkah, Christmas around the corner, it's the holiday season, lots of things happening. And I also want to send my best wishes, my love and light, to everyone in Australia

after the horrific tragedy that happened just the other day, as we are recording, where during a Hanukkah celebration, there was a anti-Semitic attack. And I think as we are recording, 15 people have died. It's a tragedy. And I just want to send my best wishes to everyone in Australia right now. I have been, it's been hectic with trying to get some more packages out for Christmas and etc. But I've seen some highlights, but have not sat down and watched an entire... piece, you know, where they said step by step exactly what occurred on this thing.

But I've seen the clip where apparently this guy with the fucking six foot long automatic rifle or whatever is just firing away. And some guy that was ducked down hiding behind his car, just ran out and tackled a fuck out of him and took the gun away from him. And it was pointed at him. And I'm like, you know what? From what I'd seen so far, I'd go ahead and show. shoot him at least once because he might have a pistol in his back pocket, right?

But there were two of them, and it was a father and a son, and they had these guns, which in Australia they have strict rules. And I know some assholes going to say, oh, see, it happens everywhere. It hadn't happened in Australia to this extent like 30 years, and over here it's Tuesday. but you know so people tackle this one guy and they shot one and caught the other one I guess right but again you know I blame the internet because there were always mentally unfit lunatics of various fringes but they weren't all able to talk to each other and then the people who get into that kind of thing, weren't able to find weak-minded, gullible people to fucking rally up with them.

They were just, the people at the local store would kind of turn away and not look at him when they passed by. And this whole fucking thing is just spread exponentially and it's ridiculous. Well, obviously, in this case, it was in the house. It was a father and son. So obviously, the son was probably brought up with anti-sendipos. I don't know if we're talking about a mastermind and a second in command here, or they've obviously been radicalized by some extent of something to go to this extent.

It's insane. And again, you know, nuts have been made normal in this country by our president and around the world by every wacko with grievance about religious. or ethnicity or whatever the fuck. And they just say, oh, yeah, we'll do this too. Yep. Anyway. And again, these were just Jewish people, for the record,

these were Jewish people celebrating Hanuk on a beach. This wasn't a pro-Israel rally. This wasn't anything like that. These were just Jewish people in Australia. So for everyone who wants to question the anti-Semitic nature of it, that's exactly what it was. It wasn't about their support of Israel. It was about their being Jewish.

And I think it's important to note that. Again, that's the same thing as, you know, a church picnic in Alabama or a fucking meeting of this persuasion of people in fucking Canada or whatever the fuck. It's some nut that, but in this country again, unfortunately, because we don't know what the mass shooting at Brown University was over yet, because that happened at approximately. same time frame. They don't even have the suspect yet, right? They're still looking for this fucking guy shot at and or hit a number of people. But you can't expect, there's nuts everywhere

and the internet is connected them, and this country is where they could all get guns. And I know somebody's going to say, well, Australia, but no, however they obtain these things, and I don't know the details yet, they've got pretty stringent regulations over there, and when they've had a shooting in the past, I can't call the name of the place,

but they did something about it. And, but here, it's like, oh, here, please, take more. We've got to realize this is why you can't have nice things. Because people cannot be trusted with this shit and this level of shit. which has never before been invented and available to the public. It's like giving people goddamn truckloads of napalm. Where the fuck do you draw the line?

Ah! Anyway. And of course, our sympathies, anyone affected by the ongoing situation, at least as far as Manhunt is concerned at Brown University, that's another tragedy. Well, Jim, another one I want to talk about here is the horrific, news suddenly that came out last night as we are recording the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife.

And let's talk about it for a little bit because I'm fairly sure the work of Rob Reiner on television or in film is something you've enjoyed and I know I have. So why don't we talk a little bit about Rob Reiner? Well, you were mentioning when we talked earlier, All in the Family. I watched all in the family from the first season on broadcast television in real time as the kids say and the the fucking rob riner carol o'connor archie bunker mike stivick interaction was the usually the man and poor edith but that was usually the best of funniest part of the show and that was what everybody was they were doing things and talking about things on television that had not been done and talked about at that point when all the sitcoms were,

you know, the Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet. And so there was also news articles and it was on the evening news occasionally when, you know, something would happen. It was outrageous and they covered all the topics, abortion and various hot button issues and Sammy Davis Jr. kissed Archie Bunker. And that was a big fucking deal. And it was the number one show in the country that whole time. Yes.

Oh, my God. It started as a mid-season replacement in like January, as I recall. And I think by the summer or the next fall, it was just slaughtering everything. And then that began the Saturday night murderers row of the network where all of, Mary Tyler Moore and all of the family and oh my God, I used to be able to call it, but like they just slaughtered the competition on Saturday night, which was a big TV night back in those days. And, you know, that's one of the things that's crazy about the news getting out last night.

And at first, you know, there was no confirmation who it was, but people quickly put two and two together when the ages of the people in Rob Reiner's house got out. But on Me TV on Sunday nights, it's a regular, thing I do every Sunday night after the kids go upstairs. I'll watch a little bit of all in the family because it's on Friday, a two-hour block every Sunday night. And it holds up. It's brilliant.

There are still not too many shows on TV talking about the things they were talking about on that show. Yeah. And addressing them and kind of putting a human spin on it in a crazy way. And the episode that was on last night was Mike Meathead, Mike Stivik, and Beverly LaSalle. who was a recurring character, like one time every season for three seasons straight,

a drag queen, I guess, is the word we would use now. So you get the funny interplay with the drag artist and Archie Bunker. Well, on this episode, Beverly LaSalle and Mike are walking to, I think, the subway, and they get mugged. And Beverly dies and Edith can't handle it, and Mike is consoling her. And I'm watching all this.

And I'm like, this is an amazing. just an amazing thing this was on TV in the mid-70s. The way it was done, it was beautiful, and he's so good in that role. And as soon as I turned that off at nine, they went to good times, but after John Ames left, so I kind of didn't want to see it. That's when I saw the news about Rob Reiner. And again, stunning. Beyond his film work, obviously, whether you agreed with his politics or not, he was always

out there. You know, he wasn't like someone who ever disappeared. Hey, whatever happened to that Rob Reiner? He's been a steady presence in the culture for almost 60 years. Well, the string of movies that he's directed or been responsible for the books, the various, not only political viewpoints, but he's done a lot for, what's the word I'm searching for, not human rights, but underprivileged people and society, that type.

of thing to advance people's overall quality of life. And, you know, so he stayed constant. And besides that, Carl Reiner just, what, just died like? A few years ago, right? A few years ago, he was 90-something. Yeah. And he had been huge on, in the culture and on television, since your show of shows in the 50s was Sid Caesar and one of the writers. And he did some of the first comedy albums that Mel Brooks did. That's right. They're the 2000-year-old man. And he invented Dick Van Dyke, the Dick Van Dyke show for himself, but then, you know,

they recast it and it became a thing, but he was Alan Brady. And his son, so literally, there was only a five-year gap between the time that Reiner's were on television on a regular. basis from the dawn of television until what the 80s. And I was just, I was just going to say, and then Rob Reiner's career with these mega blockbuster movies exceeded Carl Reiner's. I just thought about it when you brought up Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks. Without Rob Reiner, there's a chance.

I know Bob Einstein did stuff, but there's a chance we never find out about Albert Brooks. because he was discovered as a teenager by Carl Reiner and Mel Brooks, who thought he was the funniest kid. He was Rob Reiner's friend that would come to the house with him. That's right. And that's how Albert Brooks got going was the reputation of these guys, the funniest guys, think he's the funniest guy and he's a kid. And he did some incredible stuff for years,

and that comes out of Rob Reiner's relationship with him. And he was on a Smothers Brothers, at least as a writer, you know, which again was a revolutionary show comedy-wise for its time, and then all in the family. And I can't imagine anyone else in that role. Perfect in the role of Meathead, Mike Stivitt, perfect. But then, of course, the problem is it apparently, and I was just reading up right before we hopped on this thing. I was just trying to read one of these updated reports. Their son murdered him is what happened,

going to the headline, and then we'll break it down from there. But apparently this kid, he's 40 or whatever years old, has been on not just a regular drug addict, but like the plethora, the cornucopia of any kind of drugs that you can be taking and drinking, and he's been in rehab like 15 or 20. times.

Yeah. Literally more than 15 times. And, you know, the heroin or this or that or whatever the fuck. And they, I hate to laugh, but this is so bizarre.

They were at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party. And the kid was arguing with Rob Reiner. And that's been courtesy of TMZ. But so apparently, in their home,

Rob Reiner and his wife, this kid comes in, does whatever, and stabs them both to death. And they've got him at least, but what in the flying, you didn't see, you didn't see the police press conference last night,

the LAPD around midnight on those ghosts? No, I turned on this. Last night was Saturday night, and Grandpa Corny watches as much Svanguli as he can or no, I'm sorry, last night was Sunday. I was watching, I was still watching Spenguli, but on the DVR. But I went to sleep and I woke up this morning and turned on Twitter is what the problem was.

And then I saw what, I had to read it twice. I was like, wait, what? Rob, murder, what? In real time, it was kind of weird because, again, it was two bodies found that a house owned by Rob Reiner was the original story. And then it was the ages. And people realized that's the age of Rob Rehn. Reiner and his wife, and stuff started coming out. People magazine, like, jumped on it because I saw it going around that. It was the sun. Like, they immediately went there. So after all this is

going around, they have finally around midnight, like six hours after the discovery of their bodies, they have this press conference. And they basically confirmed there's a house. They wouldn't say who was in it. They said they couldn't even, they didn't even have search warrants yet. Six hours after the discovery, they didn't have search warrants so they couldn't say anything, they couldn't go in there. There is not a suspect right now, but there's also no, you know, they wouldn't say if anyone should be afraid. I mean, is there a killer on the loose? Like, they wouldn't say anything. And now we hear that they do have the son in custody, and it sounds like immediately the family was pointing the fingers at it's likely our troubled

brother or whatever. Brother. Yes, because that was, one of the same. One of the of the daughters from one of the reports I've read or a daughter, how many children they had. Point is said, no, it's our brother. You know, you need to get him. He's dangerous. Type of thing. Find him.

So they found him. But it was, but again, that's terrible. So sad. You know, and again, everything that we've seen

on television or in movies or in entertainment or whatever, there's an offshoot of just he and his father's incredible, is what I was going to say. You know, when you think of his movies, too, it's such an amazing catalog of stuff he worked on from Spinal Tap, which is nothing like Stand By Me, which apparently Stephen King says was the best movie version of one of his books ever done. misery, which was actually a badass movie, the comeback of James Kahn in that movie. Of course, when Harry met Sally, I, you know, I, I don't know, I'm a man, I don't know.

I've been really watched it all the way through, to be honest with you, I got to give that one a chance now. But in a few good men. They're all different. Everything, he didn't like even have a, oh, this is my thing. I got to stick to it. There's no similarities in most of those fucking movies. just an amazing body of work. And again, that's him leaving acting for the most part.

He still did stuff. He was still in stuff, especially after, you know, his directing career got going every now and then you'd see him in something. But he was an Emmy Award-winning actor, and he just started directing. And Spinal Trap, Spinal Tapp was an amazing, you know, his first theatrical film. Just an amazing film to run out of the gate with. I mean, that's a risk, that movie. But sad news, Rob Reiner. And again, very talented guy.

If anyone's not watched all in the family, I encourage you to watch it. In these times especially, I think it's an important show to watch. But tragic news. Brian, you know, I'll go ahead and say it. There can be one silver lining in this whole thing. I think that you will have to agree that if Rob Reiner had a choice, if they say, because he's 78 years old, they said, Rob, if you can. and do something important for humanity.

Will you make the ultimate sacrifice? And he found out that he could, and so he did, in effect, because our lunatic president, who shames us before the world every day, couldn't even stay the fuck out of this, much less be a human being. And with what he tweeted about, it's all,

over the place. There are recognized people of every stripe and side and color of political affiliation saying what the

fuck is the matter with you to Schittler for cutting a promo on a guy that just got murdered just because Rob Ryder was another one of the many people

that told the truth about his just lying ass. And this has showed everybody what the fuck that this guy really thinks it will say about you, if you ever have disagreed with him, but because he's supposed to be a representative of the United States of America and have some kind of, not even empathy or sympathy, but just dignity, just some fucking dignity because you're a pig. You pig, you wallow in a fucking sewer of shit.

But he can't have just any dignity in his job representing us around a fucking world. And once he's tweeted this, as I said, everybody, of every race creed color and national origin, even people on his side are recognizing finally that there's something the fucking matter with him. And if criminality and lying and all the other fine attributes that he's shown before

weren't enough when he puts the boots to Rob Reiner and his poor wife right after they've been murdered by their crazy son on drugs, Brad, what do you think I should? Should I read this for everybody so we can hear what the President of the United States has to say about people's murders?

It's on whatever the fuck, where his face is all striped with red, white, and blue. It ought to be prison bars, but nevertheless. He said, a very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood. Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and comedy star has passed away together with his wife Michelle reportedly due to the anger he caused others

through his massive, unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind-cripling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS. He was known to have driven people crazy. in capitals, by the way, with his raging obsession of President Donald J. Trump, with his obvious paranoia reaching new heights, as the Trump administration surpassed all goals and expectations of greatness

and with the golden age of America upon us, perhaps like never before, may Rob and Michelle rest in peace. What? Why is someone not going down the hall to his room and taking him into some kind of custody. He's making decisions. The fuck's sake. What more do people need to see and hear?

Yeah, that's shameful. Maybe he wanted to be the Princess Bride. I don't know. But again, Rob Reiner, whether you agreed was the politics or not, and there's plenty of people who did not, and I saw plenty of those people out there saying what a great guy was if they knew him, personally, or what a big fan they were of his work,

for him to do this is pretty disgraceful. And well, again, it's Tuesday again or whatever, so time for dip shit to open his mouth and let the fucking effluvia flow. But speaking of which, why don't we open our

mouths and let some effluvia flow, Brian? That sounds like a good idea, and of course, there was once a bountiful amount of effluvia at Cornets collectibles, but this holiday season, a lot of it's out the door. Jim, let's talk about the effluvia of inflicting you.

The effluvia inflicting me is flying out the doors here. Hey, we caught up Hotchka's Featherbottom on the morning of December 15th picked up every order that has been orderified through

December the 11th, which has been signed and processed for to people. And that's last time he can't you ain't gonna get it at before Christmas after this week folks the post office says that but he's doing another pickup next week for those stragglers that would like to have everything through December oh 19 or so uh by new year's week and the the products sell themselves and I'm too tired to sell anymore I'm I'm a little frazzled after the wonderful response from all of you gorgeous, sexy customers out there after the last eight weeks or so.

Cornets collectibles at Jimcoronet.com. Jim Carpill Tunnel at Jimcoronet.com. I've actually for a shoot, got tendonitis because of the goddamn fucking limb lopper on my pole saw that I was using this summer. And I pulled too hard and it's flared up on. It's flaring up. It's my on and off tendonitis. Brian. I got it from Ron Wright. And it's goddamn,

it affects my, like, gripping and fucking writing and, uh, mousing. When I'm, I'm mousing, it hurts. Should you ever have any issues with, like, if you were at an autograph show and you signed a bunch of autographs, or hand-giving out? No, that, that, one day ain't gonna,

well, I mean, it's not like I'm, uh, Sina there with the, what, one giant J and a squiggle C and he's out the door on that signature. Uh, I'm trying to make mine legible. But unless it was like a couple of thousand things that I've signed,

you know, a time or two at once you have to take breaks, but normally just a regular fan fest. I think I'm not putting the iron claw on anybody. So not, not that big of a hardship. Oh, I tell you, it was so hard my hand, I couldn't, I couldn't write anymore. Once again, hurt Jim's hand, Jimcornet.com, but Jim...

Ooh, or that sounds like some kind of German website. Hurtjim's hand.com. What do they do to his fucking toes? Jim, on the topic of fanfare, there was a lot of anticipation, not just in the recent weeks, but I guess you could say over the last year, for Saturday. night's main event and Washington, D.C., John Cena's final match, his last match, there were rumors, maybe the president will be there, maybe Vince McMahon will be there. Coming out of the event, you have to say, will they ever be there again?

That's the question some have been asking, but an interesting night and a lot of people want to hear your review of the main event, but we got to get there, Saturday night's main event in Washington. Well, and I was hoping against hope and thankfully he didn't show, I didn't want to see the bloviating flesh bag there, and

I knew that Vince McMahon was not going to be there. He was in the package and that's rightfully so because he was part of the history, a large part of the history, so yes, putting a congratulatory,

not a congressional, but just a complimentary statement about John Sina in part of their package was called for. But Vince, they weren't going to ask Vince to be there live, nor possibly would he have wanted to do the public thing, whatever he's, whatever he's doing with, what's the name of his new company fucking you?

14th and I. 14th and I. Well, which was his dad's office in Washington, D.C., where they were. Yes, yes. That was the address. there was on the 14th of street and the I street right there,

and they looked out and they saw, they were running some kind of insurance scam where they had somebody taking bumps and car wrecks. But anyway, but they brought a nice cross-selection of current and former and legendary, you know, stars there to be in the crowd and everything, angle. It was they, you don't see him all over the place. a bunch of miscellaneous unknown celebrities that are on,

what was this, the peacock, whatever they're on, there was a rapper or two, I think. The shot of the, when they were doing the deal where they were, they're showing the guests and everything and the festivities and the way that, you know, they were making the scene of retirement, a big deal, that's great. But when they went to the locker room, Brian, and they're like, his name was next to it.

and the hush tones of who was a Joe Tessitori when he said, in mere moments, that locker room door will open or whatever he said. It sounded like they were awaiting the comeback of Jesus. It almost got a little, a little Hollywoodie there at the start, dare I say.

And then they did a career respect, retrospective, retrospective video with, I believe that was Triple H doing a voiceover trying to sound like the more like the Liv Schreiber instead of the fucking game, right? But it was his voice, unless I'm just deaf in both ears now instead of one. He's doing a lot of narration all of a sudden, isn't he? Well, there's a way to keep, without having his face there, which is always a plus.

He says at least he's got his voice. It's him bringing you this thing, which may come back like Al Costello's boomerang here by the end of the show. They were trying to hear to show how beloved John Sina has been and how much John Sina loves you, the fans in this video. And I'm just thinking, my God, everything he said and did through, like, fucking, what was it, July? It was like, I hate you. People have ruined to goddamn everything. I'll get revenge on you if it's the last thing I do. And suddenly, he's beloved and he loves you.

And for this, ladies gentlemen, and by the way, this is say farewell. to a household name the cock this is bye-bye to peacock the cock's pretty much household name isn't it I mean they're in many households well this is as you are saying

the end of peacocks deal with WWE they already started pulling content off peacock where it'll end up yet they started they started tearing their pictures in half and keeping their half and throwing a fucking WWE halfway over at Peacock

but this was the fulfillment I guess the last big event they are delivering to Peacock apparently the pre-show and post show was somewhere else I guess YouTube I don't know because I was watching Peacock I wasn't going to go to multiple streaming services

to see more but yes Peacock the final big event of the peacock deal well I hate to see the Cox feathers get ruffled but never so well Can we drop that now, then?

Am I paying for that, Peacock, here? I guess I shouldn't ask you. I should ask Queen Stacey the streaming secretary in charge. But we can get rid of that now, can we? Yes, unless they suddenly announced that there was some kind of new deal with Peacock, and then you'll have to get it again. Well, drop down, get it again. All righty then.

So in Washington, D.C., this was the big. biggest arena gate ever for not in Washington but in in everywhere for an arena from what I understand for a not a stadium but for an arena sized event this was the biggest gate that they've ever drawn in the history of the wrestling company they certainly made a choice but at the end of the show on doing that and I'll tell you if there was ever a night to make the go home happy, it's when they're paying those prices for tickets. God damn, David, with that. Just what one concession stand took in on this show,

I would have been in Knoxville Civic Coliseum in the middle of the ring cutting my fucking head off for Bob Armstrong. Anyhow, we should have got a little clue, Brian, at the start of the festivities, that maybe there was going to be a bad moon on the rise when there was Joe Tessitori and instead of Governor Ventura, old Jesse,

he was there with Stephanie McMahon. And I struggle with Stephanie trying to be a baby face. Trying to just be a good cheerleader. Person. Yeah.

She is a great heel. But she's just a grinning smile. somewhat disingenuous fucking shill to give mild criticism as a baby face or change my mind. I think she's a good heel. I won't say great heel because great heels get their comeuppance and it helps them. Good heels. Okay now.

She never got her in Triple H were the heels that never really love baby faces. She wasn't even in the rig. She was dressing down top baby faces on the mic. nothing would happen. I agree with your dissecting what I'm saying to differentiate from the point because I agree with you there wholeheartedly and 100% but I'm saying just as a goddamn douchebag, bitchy, witchy, whiny, want to just fucking just pop her right in a fucking toes kind of fucking bitch. That's what I'm saying performer, but nevertheless, to my point, to my point, she's,

is not a likable person when she's trying to just be on TV. She comes across like a disingenuous cheerleader. And the more you see it, the less you want to see it. She got a big pop that first time she reappeared after she went away because of the scandal. Not that she was a part of it that we know of. But she went away. No, but because of the whole incident she had been gone and now she came back. She came back on a big pop.

Then they start using her. Then they start trying to hype her up having a podcast. where apparently she advertised how you could get around. It would surf shark, those horrible deals. So they're trying to find the role for her and what's it going to be? Like you said, the only role that really worked was her being a heel boss figure. And there are issues with that, just how it was rolled out and how it goes on and on and on, whatever. There's lots of issues with that.

But other than that, what are they going to do? She's not going to do commentary. here she is hosting. I don't know. I don't think she's that great. You know, they're going to keep trying to find roles for her, things for her to do it. It's going to be very interesting.

Well, and of course, Governor Jesse, normally this is the podium spot, not the commentary. Joe was the host, and then he tries to keep Jesse from burying the product. In this case, he was there to facilitate Stephanie's rah-rah stuff

and then apparently Jesse was on either the pre-show or the post-show which again we're we assume

it's on YouTube or whatever the fuck correct but I think so I think it would be yeah did he did they have to obviously

they had to bring him contractually or because why would you bring him and not put him on the show or were they trying to make him feel good, I would think that Jesse Ventura would have been like, fuck you, you just need me on the pre-show YouTube, I'll stay home. So I'm wondering how that that's kind of almost like, why bother?

Am I reading too much into this? It's interesting. Yeah, I mean, unless John Cena said, I want Jesse Ventura there, we heard that his deal expired. He wasn't at the last Saturday night's main event. We heard that the one-year contract that he had. with them was up, but maybe there was one more day, but that wouldn't

explain why he wasn't on the event, because if it was a NBC or Peacock or Saturday Night's main event thing, he would have done anything on that. Apparently he was on the pre-show and YouTube or wherever it was, or a post-show. On the show, they could have even put him with, there's, Nick Kahn was in the front row, along with Kurt Angle and I have my notes for my various

legends, but point being, all these celebrities were in that front row area. he could have, you know, hung out in that company. Nevertheless, I'm not advocating he should do any more commentary. I don't misunderstand me there. All righty. So the place was packed, 19,000 whatever people with this, I don't even know if they've released a gate or the gate or whatever,

if we have statistics on that. But the record gate and the place was packed on the floor all of, way back to the entranceway where they had a kind of a tunnel thing that they could get away with without blocking any seats off and then a four foot wide owl like the territory days Brian that would have been oh no it in a well-maintained ringside setup that's as much room as we got and we didn't have bicycle racks in most places but a good one you could imagine if anybody wanted to just reach in and just fucking punch you right in the ear. On a four-foot aisle, you can't be more than two feet away from anybody.

But everybody made it through unscathed on this one. But that shows you how many people were there. And this was the concept where they have the exhibition matches. Although I didn't hear them over beating the word exhibition to death, did you? That word went away after that promo. it seems like. Yeah. So it was

NXT guys versus WWE full-time roster guys, but they started out with Cody against Oba Femi. And remember, I made fun of Oba because the time we watched NXT,

did he not a, he did a promo and the accent didn't thrill me and he did some, there was some interaction with him and some of these other Yehuis, right? So, okay, but this against Cody, with this presentation, in front of a fucking big crowd, with the big building and et cetera, visually, he's got it down.

And athletically, I'm not saying he's a technical wizard, but athletically, he can do everything possibly that he needs to do. I can tell that already. and I think honestly, I'm still, I don't know whether he was possibly nervous, even I'm sure he was at some point, but whether they was showing or whether this is the way he always looks when he's in a match,

but he needs to be more aggressive in body language and facials without actually doing anything like his moves faster. because Cody called this so that he cut Cody off right away and then Cody could fight from underneath and he could control the tempo and make sure that Oba didn't rush and it was methodical but he made the shit count and that was why Cody was doing the deal where we're going for a

degree of difficulty of five and an execution of 10 instead of the other way around so he did his shit and Oba Femmy was there for it but he didn't want Oba to go Oba board see what I did there? Very well done.

Apparently you did just didn't give a shit. I just said very well done. Ah. You would have, you should have popped and blown snod everywhere. Oh, that was great. All right.

There's the slide whistle. What I'm talking about? talking about with more aggressive in body language and facials is there, and he had some good facials. I'm not saying he's gargano in some good reactions to things, but there are times where you can look at his face and see he is thinking about something and trying to remember something or just look at his face and see he's a normal guy. If you take his visual presentation,

the entrance they've got for him with the lighting, and everything. And every time that he's in view, especially of the floor cameras, the handhelds, and they can see his face up close that he's got his eyes fixed on the opponent or something. And he has the emotion and the intensity that he wants to portray on his face and in his eyes

rather than just sitting up and the difference. You see what I'm saying. and if Cody is stretched out or on his knees before him and he's going to pick him up, I don't want him to just rush and grab him and jerk him around, but I want him to come up with more goddamn tension in his body and his arms spread out. And then when he grabs Cody, the drawback and the laying on of hands with a smack that you can hear on the traps and then soften up and then look, work like he's jerking a guy into the thing. because the way he looks, and this is the guy, again,

I think he's a baby face in NXT because they didn't, he was working here as a rough heel instead of, you know, or a rough baby face rather, instead of being a full-fledged heel. But this is the kind of guy that would almost get over as a dominant heel that gradually switches and becomes beloved and etc but he just visually he needs to look more like a fucking loose nut and an aggressive savage type of fucking attitude to match that physique and that look and the athletic ability he's got he can fucking spine busters and shit he can move like a fucking cat.

So I think he just needs to work on having more confidence maybe. That's what I'm saying. Maybe he was a little nervous on this one. But when he can really, you know, just snarl a bit, I would like to see that.

But it's hard. How is this guy a baby face? Good Lord, he looks like the star of a goddamn, you know, monster movie. Your thoughts? I'm not sure what monster movie that would be. That's my first thought. Secondly, I could see what you're saying.

It seemed like the fans were really into them there. I think early in the car, it was clear that the fans wanted like a special night in some way. Yeah. And I think they even wanted Obafemi to get a surprising win here. But I thought it was all right. I could see some of the tentativeness, I guess, that you're explaining, if that's the best word to encapsulate it. But I think he's good. But he's also a guy

like a Tiffany Stratton or a Sal Ruka or any of these other people who had nothing to do with wrestling were serious athletes drafted into WWE and have learned the business from zero to now

in three years or whatever it may be. And again, we just talked about guys in the 80s who in three years were doing incredible things. it's not like you need forever to become the best, but he's in that WWE system. It's their way. It's number of repetitions in actual practice rather than, and in a variety of positions,

as we've talked about many times, rather than just in the gym and or one place for the same amount of time or for that whole period of time. But nevertheless. But I think he's really good for someone who's only done stuff in WWE, the WWE way, under Sean Michaels and Triple H from the beginning till now, he's really good with all of that as the caveat. That's the thing is that three years,

because he wasn't a fan, is also a short period of time when you're talking about he should be able to figure out how all this shit's supposed to look, you know, just instinctually. And that's hard when you've never watched the product at all.

And I assume it wasn't. a fan. At least he wasn't involved in wrestling. He wasn't in a training school or anything. He was an athlete. Well, yeah, that's where, from scratch. I mean, maybe he watched it in his childhood in the kingdom of Nigeria, or did

we establish he's really Nigerian, but he was putting the accent on some, to some degree? I think that's what it was. He really is legitimately Nigerian, and he puts on a forceful Nigerian accent. Forceful. Well, he was forceful here, and

he actually gave Cody a big fucking shot over the desk they went and everything and Cody busted his ear open for real, I think on one of those desk chairs that they have when he went over the desk. So the earblood added to the thing and then they were having... Cody again was

calling this and obviously he gave the other guy most of it. And then they did a cutter off the top and got a two count. And then out of nowhere, here was Drew McIntyre. And he got on Cody and boom, boom, boom, just a few seconds. And Oba Femmy pulls Drew off and they have a face off. And the fans were getting up. And Oba shoves Drew on his ass and then Cody runs by him and gives Drew a cutter. And Oba gives him a choke slam. And Drew says, fuck it. And, gets out of there and Oba and Cody held their various belts up,

the NXT belt and the WWE belt. So am I crazy that maybe couldn't they have had Drew McIntyre come out to interrupt before the first entrance and just pitch a big fit out there in front of those people about how this is ridiculous. They're on a prestigious network like P.K. and on a Saturday night, and I ought to have a match with Cody Rhodes right here right now instead of some unknown, you know, goddamn local yokel, whatever. And even let Obav come out and dust drew out a bit or whatever, you know, or the officials

kick him out. And then here comes, and then they have the fucking match. then it makes a little bit more sense to everybody sitting there. If Drew got kicked out, and he comes back with the goddamn hoodie on, they do that every other week anyway. Help me, Brian. Would anything have been a little more exciting than this thing,

which was kind of flatter in a fucking snake's belly at a wagon rut? You know, I didn't mind it as much as I maybe should, but I didn't mind it. I thought the match was good. I thought once Cody started bleeding, and it wasn't typical wrestling blood. You know, it wasn't from the typical places. It kind of made you perk up a little bit like,

oh, man, look what's going on here. This guy is dominating Cody. I didn't expect Drew to run in. I also didn't know how they were going to get out of this. Because I'm thinking, Cody can't beat him because that'll kill him, but they've done that to people before, but I don't think they're going to do it to him,

and he can't beat Cody, unless they're going to give him a, super push right out of the gate. So I'm trying to figure out what they're going to do, and Drew interfered. And I didn't mind it because it gave men out, but also, it wasn't just like interference for no reason. It was interference that happened, and then Obafemi gets mad, because now he lost the match because of disinterference.

Him and Drew get their moment together. People start making noise about that. Drew, as always, gets beat up and is cheated and has to leave and be mad about it in the future, but I don't know. It was kind of like in the movie Body Slam, when quick Rick Roberts and Tongatom beat little Will Hutchins and his brother and, you know, after the next year all stand up and shake hands and celebrate before the fans. It was kind of like that.

It was an exhibition. And these two guys came together. There wasn't any tease like, oh, my God, whose side of they on? No, they were on the same side from the moment Drew got in there. I agree with many of the points you made in that dissertation just now. except for the fucking thing about Tiger Tom and the fucking funky bunch in the Body Slam movie or whatever. Tongatom.

Whatever the case. But what I'm saying, I agree with because no, they should not. Obviously they shouldn't have beaten Cody here, but obviously they also shouldn't have beaten Obafemi. And I knew they were going to have to get out of it, quote unquote, some kind of way, as they say in the business, son. But what I'm saying is the way they set it up. was just, especially in front of the people live,

was very abrupt, especially on the prices they had paid and also what they were going to see later on in the night, that it's just like put some effort into this thing, make some tension beforehand. Did Drew bump into fucking Obafemian telling me was a goddamn, you know, nobody piece of shit that didn't deserve being a ring with Cody

and better fucking, bow out now son or I'm gonna fucking take care of you later on and they had some kind of pull apart. Now there's police been taking statements and whatever that just instead of just oh it's time go out there DQ. That's the point

that I'm making Brian ha ha but they did that. Do you think Obafemi should be in NXT too much longer? No because I mean he's been there for three years now.

think I this is the only match I've seen of him but I would think at this point that he shouldn't be there much longer because if if this was just a mirage and Cody made him and they they don't think he's ready for the main roster how much fucking longer is it going to take it if you know he they ought to at some point let the guy see what to fuck if they have a good presentation for him and it looks like they've put a little thought into his lighting and shit. So I don't know about his little strut, whatever the fuck that thing was,

that he did down the entrance aisle. But I mean, he's more impressive than a lot of things I'm seeing on the main roster television. So can you find some guys to work around him and give him some main roster experience and let him get more confident? What the fuck?

At this point, You just can't keep all the kids in the house forever. They have to go out and find a job sometime. Well, that was the opening match. Cody Rhodes versus Oba Femi. And of course, Jim, if I had asked you in advance, if you want to play the slots, boy, I'm trying to make a transition here.

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John Cena. I'm surprised they didn't get a comment from Tony Khan. But about how great John Cid is, but they were making it. It was a nice thing in between. It didn't drag like the normal travelogs, but, and there were some more unknown people at Ringsside, and Chuck Zito. He looks,

he, he, he looks the same as he did 40 years ago, because he looked like an old mobster then? Is it just my imagination? Because I don't see him, but every 20 fucking years or so? Or does he... Was that a wig he was wearing? Is that some kind of Ernest Angley type of apparatus? I don't know why you'd go after Chuck Zito. Now, he looked fine. He looked like he's aging very well. That's what I'm saying. How the fuck old must he goddamn be now? He's got to be in his mid-70s, I would guess. His hair's some black lightning bugs are following him around in the daytime. Well, he was there for

for John Sina's final match. Yeah, he was there for John when John needed him. Like you said, they had celebrities there. They had these videos of celebrities who weren't there sending in their thoughts. It was good because really this Saturday's main event was all about one match. There were other matches, and the fans enjoyed them. But it was almost like they were treated mentally like exhibitions because it was about one match. So all of these things, it was almost more like a boxing event in that sense than wrestling,

where the main event matters is a bunch of other stuff, but everything's pushing one thing, and that's the main event. But we weren't there yet, because next up was the other exhibition. You know, if you'd have said, hey, Saul Ruka is an exhibitionist, I would have paid on pay-per-view for that.

But just her exhibition, you know, it wasn't the same thing I was thinking. but no Bailey and Saul Ruka. Bailey had lyric with her. Saul Ruka had, it's her name Darya with her. They didn't get involved because they're all baby faces. But I've got to it.

I'm going to admit, Brian, that I was, that I was mistaken. I skipped the first couple of minutes of this because I thought, remember the last time I saw, saw Saul Ruka, she did the reverse backwards inverted, Guernsey flip, whatever the fuck,

and tried to get the two girls with the cutter and just fell at their feet, just whiffed past both of them. Yeah, and then we heard from fans. That's her signature move. Well, and that means that, you know, I pretty much didn't need any more of those autographs. But I thought, wait a minute, it's Bailey. so I've, after two or three minutes or whatever it was,

I've slowed it down and started watching it. And I've got to admit I was wrong. She's not, she's not rotten. She's not bad. I can, obviously she looks great. I can see the potential in the athleticism, but I think, again, I don't know how long she's been around, but it might be a,

it's another one of these things with the Obafemi we talked about, where was she, did she know what this stuff was supposed to look like beforehand, or is she started from scratch? And sometimes just because you can do all of the, she does good athletic, gymnastic things that show her gymnastic background, but sometimes it does come off, as I think we said this about another one of the young ladies like a gymnast doing wrestling rather than you see what I'm saying but

that's polish she does she needs polish I will actually volunteer right now for free to to go out to Saul Ruka's place and wax her up and down give her a good shine she got a lot of potential here oh boy but finally well I mean you know what potentially she'll be calling the cops very soon. I'm a sympathetic, a sympathetic. I'm a sympathetic and compassionate and a charitable guy. I'm willing to contribute my time for free to smooth out her rough edges. Make sure she gets all of her edges rubbed.

All right, Mr. Laurenitis. Let's get back to the match here. What is wrong with you? What are these things you're saying? Wait a minute. Come on now. I didn't ever see her in a lingerie catalog. So old Saul hit a roll up and Bailey kicked out and Saul jumped up on the turnbuckle and hit from the camera angle.

I couldn't tell either way, but it seemed like the people didn't fart at it. So I think she hit the finish on Bailey. And then Bailey was in the rope. So Saul pulled her in. Bailey rolled her up, but Saul reversed it and, boom, caught a quick one, as Vince McMahon would just goddamn pummel you with a hammer for saying. She caught a quick one and Saul Ruka won over the... I call this one the hammer, Greg Valentine.

Maybe he called it the quick one. That's what the problem was. Saul won, and she... Bailey led and did a good job with this, and I mean, you know, she's the experienced pro here, but Saul ain't bad, is what I'm saying. Better call Saul if you need a forward inverted Guernsey flip done. She's good, and she's got, you know,

she's not a tiny girl that you always criticize. I guess that's the best way to say. I was going to say she's got some size to her. It's not that she's big, it's just she's tall, I guess, and she's an athlete. She just has a more commanding presence and looks like a full-grown woman, and you could see her in some type of various action movie type of role.

She looks like a star. Yeah. Well, that's two for two, I guess. In terms of NXT talent you're seeing on this show, who clearly they've been integrating more onto the main roster and these various things they're doing on Smackdown and Raw. Two for two, same issues, you think, or in terms of Obafemi, where talent, size,

size look but you know you could tell by the training yeah just just yeah more more they just need to grow up and get more comfortable and more confidence where they can show out some more

oomph and that type of thing but yeah both of them have oodles of potential is what I'm saying and if you were going to put her in there with anyone Bailey I guess is kind of the best worker maybe in terms of just like a nuts and bolt, like the Arne Anderson of the women's division.

Yeah, well, and I mean, she's taken an interest in, from what I've seen in helping some of the other girls get trained and get better and et cetera and trying to give back and do that whole thing. And I'm sure she'll end up as some kind of cog in the flywheel after she's out of the ring in training or agenting or working with the women. Well, Jim, we went from the women's match to a match And something you have an expertise in, the tag team division, a big tag title match. Boy, and everybody's going to, oh, Cornett, it was AJ Styles and Dragon Lee against Javon Evans and Leon, don't call me Dick Slater.

As Jim Ross would have said at one point in time, 20 years ago or more, here is my unpopular opinion. I'm sorry. But as I've just talked about how much I like Javon Evans, and I think Javon Evans should be focused on, and Javon Evans should be, you know, there should be things that only he's allowed to do. And they've given me,

it's almost like the top flight guys in AEW, where they're brothers, their same height, they're approximately the same weight, and they do the same kind of shit. Leah, as with Slater and Evans, or Zager and Evans, where am I going with that? Is this the year 25, 25 yet? Do you see what I'm saying is that, yes, their tag team work together was good. I'm not saying that.

I'm saying that it's two guys physically similar doing the same kind of stuff. And to me, Javon is still superior in two things. number one, he's jumping so incredibly high. Actually, three things. Jumping so incredibly high. He has more charisma, I think, than Slater. And his body is better because he's so skinny that at least there's no fat on him, whereas Slater is just kind of a skinny guy that still got some meat on him,

but no definition. am I just, is it just me? Is that just one of my old hang-ups of you don't have, unless it's a fucking identical twin gimmick tag team? Help me. Well, again, this was at least a one-night thing. I don't know if it's something you're going to continue. Javon Evans has clearly been a priority,

although we're not sure when it'll be on the main roster permanently. He's obviously still a part of things in NXT, and I guess you can say TNA, teaming up with a TNA wrestling, you knew who was going to take the fall here, right? As soon as they said that, I'm like, I bet I know who he's getting pinned tonight. Ah, ha. But yeah, they look similar.

I mean, there's, I shouldn't say they look similar, but they're the similar, they're similar kinds of wrestlers. They are, everything I'm saying is wrong right now. Hold on, listen to me. They are two guys with long hair on stage with the Doobie brothers, both of them singing the backup vocals in the exact same key. And you did. Now, which was he been or was he Tom?

But one of them has a little bit better voice. Now, with that said, I think they're both good. You know, but you're teaming them up. It would be like if, you know, instead of Robert Gibson, you found another guy that looked kind of like Ricky Morton, to team up with Ricky Morton. Yes, or I was going to say, Robert Gibson and his brother, Ricky, didn't look like Robert.

That's what I'm saying is that it's not just about similarity and appearance, but they're wrestling the same style and they're approximately the same size and same body type. And since they're both trying to be exposed to a larger audience, to me,

I would have rather had my pick would have been to have Evans against AJ Styles in a single match. I could see if they wanted to have Dragon Lee wrestle Slater or whatever. But to me, it diminishes what gets either Evans, particularly, or Slater over as special to have both of them goddamn doing it and the fact that because they apparently had a set amount of

time that they had to hit, either that or someone was holding members of their family hostage, they had to address that situation. But this was the fastest tagged. team match I've ever seen start to finish. They did choreography at 100 miles an hour. With all the dives for the new guys, right, in the splashes and everything. And then they beat up Dragon Lee for just a bit, but then simultaneous tags, where it was kind of like, oh, he's close. Okay, I'm close.

I'll give a little tag. And then choreography at 100 miles an hour, but Javon Evans hit the biggest cutter ever. on AJ styles and Slater came off the top with a 450 degree splash, but they got saved and they sold for 10 seconds so the people could chant this is awesome and then a hundred miles an hour again. And I'm not I'm not even saying they did too many moves here. I'm saying they did a 20 minute match in 10 fucking minutes. and I don't know that I might rather have had them cut out three or four spots

and give everybody a chance to everything a chance to breathe and I think they would have gotten even a better reaction and then AJ went for a springboard and busted his ass and boy if that was if that was the spot he was going for he was willing to risk a goddamn injury of some kind to fall that awkwardly that quickly. But boom, and Slater got a two count, and the Slater came off the top, and A.J. caught him,

and the styles clash, boom, one, two, three. But that was my thing. It's like Evans and Slater are too similar to showcase what makes each one of them when you've got two guys that are partners doing things that I believe they should be selling Javon Evans as he can do things. No one else can do. And then, oh, and here's a partner.

He's doing some of it too. That's my point. Good match. Like you said, fast-paced. The fans were into it. And I think that's the thing. The fans were in a good spirit. It seemed like all night building into this main event. They were enjoying the matches.

And it was now time for our main event. well no actually it was time for the main event all right but they wouldn't let us have it yet i'm not going to like discuss it or anything but our truth and miss did a little stand-up comedy in the ring so that they could say joe hindry's name and he came out and they beat up miss and i mean i'm all for anybody beating up miss but do we even need to discuss it was sort of like intermission whereas they were waiting to make sure the bathrooms had emptied out. He started giving a promo. He was so impassioned that, man, like, man, this is really good. And then they just treated him like the same job or they always treat him like,

every, I mean, everything you say is true. I made a event into WrestleMania and beat John Sina. It seems crazy. That seems like a bizarro universe. Like nothing real that happened here on planet Earth. But it happened. And then he went right back to doing comedy stuff with our truth. Good Lord. See, you know, there's always there's always crackpot ideas that get through but then just because they

nobody gave a shit they forget about them until they let this guy come out and remind people and then they're like holy shit they actually let that fucking happen I wouldn't want people

remind like reminding somebody hey you know your next door neighbor Ned he's a sex offender ah shit that's probably a good thing to remind people in the neighborhood that Ned is out of the loose

Not to Ned. That's the thing. Does Ned want you to be, hey, don't go around and remind people. That's what I'm saying. They're netting themselves. They're netting themselves when they are reminding people what stupid shit they did. It'll be a new adverb there, netting yourself. Well, Jim, as I was saying, it's time for the main event.

It certainly is. John Sena's last You Can't See Me Harrah And they brought Gunther out And that's what this obviously all through the match It was the crowd was into everything But this was what they came to see But they did the long panning

And they got the Sina chance Everybody's standing up And then they just had to turn the lights off And oh And then they hit the music And it's a giant pop. and out comes Sina and he's milking it at the entrance way there. Did you see he took the trouble to actually take the camera from old cameraman Stu?

Stu, the guy that follows him down the aisle every goddamn. I guess since he's been there or whatever that he always talks to, he took the camera so he could turn around and shoot Stu one time before he left and they fucking didn't take the shot. Did you see that? I was waiting to see who he was going to feel. I was waiting to see it happened. It never happened.

It did because they didn't take the shot. He didn't hold it long enough. As soon as they went to the shot, he was already handing it back. So you saw like Stu's nose as he panned by. And I was like this was Stu's chance. God damn it. You know, that should be something. They can sell more T-shirts and say, we can't see Stu.

you know and so one of the heels can take it over and like every time he waves his head his front of his face people that we can't cease too anyhow so he ran to the run to the ring got a pop and then he had to get out and hug all the front row legends there was Kevinstein he's looking fine and pudgy

and you know they were up from the start and it got more CNA chance and did the DKO make them pay for the tickets? I bet you they probably saved them since they already had such a gross they probably

saved like the front row there for the most important people that they wanted on camera and them they would allow to sit gratis. That means you pay nothing. But this again

was the way the match we'll talk about the finish separate from the match. The way the match was constructed is the same thing as Obafemi and Cody, where Sina wants to make Gunther, the dominant physical force here, the heel, the dragon he's got a slay. So Gunther took over right away. I mean, even in the territory days, yes, we know they were superstars,

but just for the people sitting there, we used to shine the baby face a little bit just to give the people their opportunity. and kind of, oh, he all right, it's his night, and then take it out from under him. But there's not that long of a period anymore. But nevertheless, Gunther took over so that Sina could fight from underneath. And the people were with it because of the circumstances here. They were chanting, fuck you, Gunther, which got bleeped, or they tried to bleep it, and you tapped out.

And Gunther took his time and beat up John, Now, here, as obviously as anybody with working eyeballs could tell John Cena was calling this match, I'm surprised they don't just give him a megaphone like Rudy Valley and let him say, oh, the lips, I just can't not look away. I can't look away from John Cena's lips now, Brian. Does that make me in some weird way, weird? That he's just obviously talking all the time. It's so obvious, and Gunther was doing it too.

Both of them throughout this entire thing, it was one of the things that could take you out of a match. They were both doing it so obviously so much that you can't ignore it. You'd have to force yourself to ignore it, so that's why you pay attention to it. Yeah. Well, but here's the thing. I believe John sat down and got all kinds of input,

watched some Gunther matches, and, you know, asked him, okay, you do the power bomb, you do the chop, he knew this and that and got all kinds of input, but this was a John Cena match against Gunther rather than a Gunther match against almost anybody else. You see what I'm saying. Yeah.

And part of the, obviously just the beating up the baby face letting him fight from underneath, that's anybody's match. And they both did their regular moves. John did most of his regular moves two or three times, but it wasn't the same kind of pace and style and flavor you get from the typical Gunther contest.

But again, the people were all over at Fuck You. Gunther was popular, a goddamn phrase. And then they did a string where Gunther would just, he would just fuck with the people while seen a struggle to his feet and then hit the ropes and clothesline him. And I think they did that about five times or so

over two minutes and the crowd was chanting asshole but then john fire up another little comeback he had already done you can't see me at that point once he did the second you can't see me and then got the aa and a two count and then we're you know the matches not at a blistering pace but the fans are with it and they've told a story and the heel is just wiping his feet with the baby face. And the baby face made that a little comeback. And then

Gunther gets the sleeper and John Cena slips that and gets a sleeper. And it started getting slow. They went out on the floor and he beat Cena up on the floor a little bit. And then they did the stunt spot where

Gunther took Cena up to stairs by the desk and then Sena gave Gunther an A-A-3 through the announced desk and then back in the ring another one at a two count and then the big leg off the top to the back of Gunther's head

which I there's a reason why Bobby Eaton never did that is it defies the laws of physics to make that look good with the way that they've presented it Brian am I being too critical the leg drop off the top to the back

of the head with the guy's bent over I don't think you're being too critical about that no because he was waiting there for a while for it And besides that, you can't. The reason why the Vegematic worked was because the guy was only a foot off the ground. And he could go, bam, leg into guy, guy into mat with guy's ass on top of him. But this is the guy looks like he's just committing a suicide and trying to kick the guy on the way down. Anyway, Sina milked the one more you can't see me.

And there's Gunther's just laying there motionless for like a minute. well John winds him up now say it all with me now say it all with me and he fucking they did and before he could you can't see Gunther Gunther fucking spoiled it and kicked him and power bombed him and got a two count and they did the

ye boo back and forth which again was not the the codens with which Gunther normally has these slug fest like with Elia or, you know, whatever. But then, but again, John's working hard for his age and his social status and position

in the fucking standing in the community. But then, after Gunther foiled an AA and hit the power bomb and he splashed him and got a two count, Gunther got a sleeper. Ancena fought it but couldn't get out. And then he fought out, but Gunther got it back and then Sina talked to

Gunther and he fought up and and Gunther got on his back and I wrote at this point I've noted I've gone to sleep and then Cina broke it and Guinth got it back seen to talk to him and fought up and broke it gave him an AA

two count and then Guethr got it back and through a lot of this as much as I love Gunther and it pains me to criticize anything he does but he's got to be tighter with the sleeper when he's working, especially his right hand. He needs to adopt.

If most of the time, if you go back and watch Vern Gagne, he did it the same way every time. Gunther has got to watch the right hand that's on the top of the head and how the hand is placed in position, whether fingers are spread or whether it's cup in the forehead or what place it's in. and that's what you're seeing through, again, on these floor camera closeups, he doesn't have to squeeze the guy and try to pop him like a pimple, but he has to be on there enough to have just no obvious loosening of grip around the guy's fucking head, especially on the top hand, because that's the one the eyes drawn to.

Does this make sense, Brian? It does, and that's usually a John Cena problem where something isn't snug enough, or it looks way too loose. well but i you know i will try to watch the next time that he's with somebody else and see if that was a problem isolated with sena because i believe i've seen him do it a time or two before anyway gunther so i'm just that's just a flag i'm throwing up on the play but nevertheless back to this fucking finish and now the referee's grabbing senna's arm after he's been in a sleeper for four fucking minutes.

And it drops twice and then he fights up again and talks to him again. And then Gunther elbowed him a bunch and sleepered him. And people are saying on the internet that they thought that Sina, as he's in the sleeper and there's a shot of him there on a camera, that he smiled and then tapped out ever so softly, almost like he was trying to wake up of sick in-law. or something. But I don't, was that a smile, or was that like some kind of Stan Laurel goofy face

that he was trying to make like, oh, I mean, that's what I'm saying. It was like, and the birds are twinkling around his head, and he's just, he's out. Those are the two options. Either he was smiling or he was impersonating Dick Van Dyke on his 100th birthday

impersonating Stan Laurel. Well, there you go. That's what, because it didn't, it wasn't like a big grin like he's posing for a picture. It just was a stupefied look with kind of a close-mouthed, lips pursed, fucking crooked Stan Laurel type of thing. Or it's almost funny if he smiled like that because here he is tapping, the guy whose whole catchphrase was never give up.

His final match ends with him giving up. But also it wasn't like a frantic tap out. No. it was and I so and the crowd again by the way five minutes what it was the last five minutes of the match they had a match going and then the last five minutes of the match was this sleeper trying to get out getting back in getting out all the things I just described five minutes the crowd was like what the fuck and when they showed shots of them they were mouths were open they were open they were were holding their hands over their head. One guy started before they cut away, had mouthed what the, before they cut away from him. But it, it was like a what the fuck did I just spend my money on type of what to fuck. Not like a, oh my God, I can't believe I've seen this awesome thing. They were befuddled. They were sad. They were bummed. It wasn't. I'm sorry.

I know what people were saying, oh, Gunther had. a lot of heat in this match. And they had footage on the internet on Twitter of Gunther going to the bus or whatever transports them these days. And the fans are going to fuck you, Gunther and it was old-fashioned heat.

No. Nobody, you know, that's, it's good for today, but that's not what old-fashioned heat looked like because it was two or three guys going to a goddamn rental car with maybe a cop or two rather than

here's this procession of security detail onto a giant rental bus while people are behind barricades, but good for today. But the point is, it was not good heat. It was crowd deflated heat. At the end, they had heat during the match, and then it was like, no, that's not what they wanted to see. And so much of this, the whole thing has been not what they want to. to see. But this...

Talk about the last year or this match? No, with the last year. But also, as pertains to this particular match, Brian explained to me if you can how that they... They wanted to think that five minutes of fighting in and out of a sleeper was going to be the way to take this thing home. Instead of Sina making the epic rally comeback of his career against all odds and then fucking Gunther hitting that goddamn power bomb

about three or four times in a row, boom and top spread or whatever. Wouldn't have been more exciting than this? You would think so. You would think it would have to be. I think at a certain point you had to expect that Sina wasn't going to win. It seemed like that. You know, he'd be all about putting someone else over. Every time we saw him the last several years,

he came back to put someone over, whether it was Bray Wyatt in that weird video match or Austin Theory. That's what he did. Sol of Sacoa. That's what he did.

So it's not a surprise, but the way it was done, the drawn-out nature of the sleeper hold, which, when it was frequently used in WWE, put someone to sleep in like 30 seconds at most. But it was almost like you were,

watching the energy get sucked out of the crowd. They wanted, clearly, they wanted a John scene a celebration. A celebration of that era, you could say. And it didn't happen. And it wasn't him getting pinned and then you react. It was a long, drawn out, give, again, he gave up. His whole thing was never give up. It's fascinating that his career would end. And the message is, give up, just give up. That's kind of amazing that he would allow that. But I think they probably should have... Give it up, give it up, baby, give it up.

I think they should have done a John Cena last match with someone they were okay with him going over. Oh, yeah, thank. And I think doing this, I mean, I guess it helps Gunther as a heel because now you really don't like him and he ended Goldberg's career and he's ended Cina's career. be next. But this entire year feels like a mistake. This entire year, whether it was triggered by the scene of thing or not, this entire year felt like a giant step backwards. And you saw

the post match. You saw those fans who were dedicated WWE fans who paid a ton of money to be there for that night. You saw their reaction to Triple H, who's the person they blame or give credit to for everything that happens. Hold on. Let's not get that. there because one thing, here's a question. Is it ending someone's career when they've already said they're quitting? That's the thing. Yeah, that's not last match.

No, ending your career is like, I'm going to hurt you so bad you can never do this again. That's ending your career in wrestling. But everybody's saying, oh, he's ended his career. No, he just had his last match because Sina said, Sina ended his career. He said, I'm not doing this anymore. Whether he won or lost his fucking immaterial,

but the point is I think and yet we're not even going to go into the heel turn we've done that and you can find the videos folks on the YouTube channel where we've talked about the heel turn and the inanity of the whole thing and then suddenly never mind

just wait Brian you hate everything with the rock this will all pay off yeah did it pay off did it pay off or did it play out exactly like I said it would it was a cash eruption all over the place yeah they splooged on us all right but it was so bad and finally they just said never mind and all those horrible things i've said about everybody are forgotten

and then out of nowhere bronch lester just comes it just beats a teetotal shit out of sina without him being able to goddamn blow his fucking stinky breath on him and that never another they're not even they're not talking about it really but at the same time that no rematch or no chance to get even or whatever, seen, he just never even, he just didn't want any more of that shit. What the fuck?

What was that needed for? Now, Brock's going to quit by next year. So was that his third to last match or whatever? And then I think I said this, what, it was it a month ago or after Survivor Series or whatever? I know that at the start,

of this thing, they thought the Saturday night's main event was going to be on NBC, big network TV exposure, big deal. We'll make it seen his last match. But when this thing was moved to the molted bird and they just had Survivor series, which was in a stadium, I think they missed a chance to have their cake and Edith 2. when they could have had Gunther beat Sina at Survivor Series and potentially even for that intercontinental title or they could have done a one-off with fucking Dom or whatever

and then brought Sina back to win this particular retirement match still against some kind of top-level individual but to give these people that paid these huge prices a reason to smile on the way out. This wasn't a, this wasn't a make-a-mad get heat with the crowd like, oh, I can't wait to see the fucking rematch when he gets even with it.

They're not going to. John's not getting even. So that's what I'm saying. They had a big show where they could have done the big job of John Cena to have Gunther, hopefully or whoever the fuck they wanted beat him and then gave him an opponent so they could have had a thrilling back and forth and there you go.

John Sino one last time goes out a winner on the shoulders of his multitude of fans and instead everybody's like, well fuck. Well, fuck. Now, Brian, did that what you said? Well, fuck. You know, again, it seemed like we were just waiting for it to come after like two minutes of the sleeper. I don't care how many times he fought out of it.

You were just waiting for it. And then there was the lame tap. Even some of the talent, I saw some footage of them in the crowd. They said, oh, fuck. And then it was, you know, not forced, but then it was like, all right, now it's time for the planned post-match ceremony. At one point, you saw some guy directing traffic telling wrestlers, you go here, you go here, you go here, you go here.

Yeah. But again, but again, they already killed. I've herded cattle. I've heard it cattle before and they're trying to do one of these things with getting all the boys to go. They'll bunch up on one side. You won't be able to see anybody. They're blah, blah, blah.

But the thing is, the crowd was already chanting bullshit. Yep. When they were sending all the roster out to be with the stars in front, Triple H and Steph and Punk and Cody and Taker and Michaels and all the talent, the crowd chanted bullshit and then settled down and segueed into a thank you Sina because they knew it wasn't his fault and he was kind of sitting there on his ass looking at him like well I but they the thank you to Sina chant would have been a lot bigger and more vociferous if he was standing there you know winded and on a knee but holding his hand up in the air it would have

been a little more vociferous. And then as soon as Triple H is visible at ringside, the crowds, you fucked up, you fucked up, you fucked up, you fucked up. I've never seen, there was 50, at least 50 recognized top wrestling stars from around the world invisible to those people. and they were happy about everything except whenever Triple H made himself visible or attention was drawn to him,

they would turn like a pack of angry wolves and they would chant at him or boo him. And I've never seen anything like it out of 49 positive and one, you son of a bitch. And it's all based on the finish. finish. And the booking. That's the interesting thing. They're booing the promoters specifically

because of what they just got. Cody and Punk gave Sina both of their belts and the people chanted, thank you, Sina. And he held all the belts up to all four sides of the ring. And the people cheered and he handed them back to Cody and punk. And the people are happy. And he turns around and shakes Triple H's hand and the whole crowd went, blah, fuck you. And then Triple H points to the SENA music video that they played on the screen in the building and on the air, on the broadcast. And again, wonderful, all their production shit, great video, et cetera. But then by the time they got out of that, Triple H, it got his bald head out of there. and Sina took his bows to each side of the ring and saluted and took his shoes and wristbands off and left him in the middle of the ring and walked down the aisle and turned around at the entrance and with a wink and a bow and he put his hand to his nose and flew up the chimney.

I know that's old St. Nick. With a wink and a bow and a salute, he said it's been a pleasure serving you all these years. thank you. And off he went into the sunset. Boy, you know, his career, his last match ended the way a lot of his career went. It was just frustrating.

Just frustrating. I don't know in hindsight how they, how or why they did a variety of the things they did. It was there. It was easy. It's the last year of one of the biggest stars you've had, he can still go in the ring, just book the fucking pay-per-views, let him promote it on some television,

figure out one or two guys you want him to put over in the course of that that are going to be with you for just ages and eons, Gunther and Dominic, perfect. Don't turn him heel. Don't tell him to tell the fans that they're despicable people that they're beneath him and the pieces of shit. And then say, oh, never mind. And don't have a guy that's only going to have two more fucking matches, beat the fuck out of him with no rebuttal. And don't, don't do these things, all of them.

During the post show, apparently the fans really gave it the Triple H when he appeared on the podium with the post show anchor team. Not happy about all this. At one point, there was... Did they... Somebody changed. Like, we want AEW. No, I'm sorry, we want A.

They chanted AEW and we want Vince. We want Vince. And by the way, you know, that's fun thinking like, oh, that pervert who's no longer here, he wouldn't have done this. Because he didn't upset you with his booking? The Undertaker's streak ending to Brock Lesnar? So I don't know about that.

But no, here's the thing. I mean, there's not a depth of reasonable thought that goes into this, then I'd just seen that finish five minutes beforehand. The we want Vince sentiment is we want anybody but you, motherfucker, we'd rather have the last guy. It was just to more pointedly get under Triple H's skin.

They would probably take any number of people who stood a Triple H because they were mad at him. But that, I mean, my God, that ought to tell you something right there. And it's not, again, I don't know how. how you can measure this as good heat. It's heat on a heel or heat on a program or heat on an issue, like a punk and Drew McIntyre thing that was so hot over the bracelet

or the bloodline that the thing was so hot over the Oolafalala and Lola Falana. Now, I'll tell you what, I would have fucking fought for Lola Falana, but nevertheless, it was, No, that was not this type of thing. It was, we are disappointed with what we had been waiting to see for so long, and we didn't like the way that it happened. And that's heat on a promotion, because they know that the promotion controls it now.

One last question about all this, and it's probably too early to know anything, so we're just guessing and talking, do you think something like this could hurt? Will it hurt them the next time they come to D.C.? Tickets won't be as expensive, but they'll be expensive. Will it hurt them at other shows? Seeing the way they handled this event, we're seeing more and more. I mean, this is Saturday Night's main event,

so you can't really say it's the same as a premium live event, but four or five match shows where you're not getting anything at times. There's action sometimes, but you don't leave fulfilled. It seems like it's more and more with WWE. This may be the ultimate example of the fans not going home

happy, not feeling fulfilled, especially to people who spent that money. Oh, one of their holes, I bet, felt filled up. What do you think? Do you think this could cause any long-lasting damage either locally or with ticket sales throughout the country?

Well, this is not going to, for one thing, Peacock, and it's a lame duck bird. Ah, see what I did there? And I mean, I don't know where was it as wide? Well, because still it was seen as retirement. They're going to look for that.

I was going to say maybe they can luck out and not a lot of people watch. But no, Jesus Christ, people are going to look this fucking thing up. I don't think they ought to try to run Washington anytime soon, but they probably won't anyway. When's the last time they were in Washington? So it's, you know, even if it's twice a year, they just won't run Washington one time. This is a sort of thing that just starts souring people. There's no one sudden stick of dynamite unless, you know, it's a massive scandal of some description.

It hits the front papers, the front pages. It's just cumulative. I'm disappointed in that. Well, I was kind of disappointing that. Well, I really want to see that, but I didn't like that way that type of thing over a period of time. This certainly, I don't think, helped anything. I don't think it's going to be the end of the goddamn business. I think it's possibly another brick-in-the-wall type of thing.

But for the people in Washington that spent that money, they probably weren't real happy at all. For the people who just watched the bad show, they're like, eh, even if they stop watching right now because they're getting out of it, something will come along in six months, maybe get them back into it, that kind of damage. could not oh god the sky's falling it's just a drip drip drip kind of thing at some point you get dripped on too many times and you just get in out of the fucking rain right but it's just another drip unfortunately whenever you see john see in an interviewed he never really says anything he's kind of been

amazingly trained to PR like talking but not saying anything but i wish we can get a truth serum and really find out what he thought of this last year because it could have gone so much bad. I think you, plenty of other people could have booked a better year. But what was all this? And he'll never say it because everything with him is just, you know, he's like a walking, talking inspirational poster. He doesn't say anything that's real or genuine. He's all performance.

But the rock, and forget about Travis Scott, who apparently they all hate now, but the Rock is still on the board of directors, and he's still a major shareholder. They keep giving him shares. How's he ever going to return to TV now after all this? I don't think we'll see him for a while because he knows he'll not get a fond reception. And I, if Rock does come back and get booed,

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All right, We're getting there. We're getting there, folks. Jim, I'm going to ask you a few things about WW RAW because this was the follow-up to the pay-per-view and there were a few things worth talking about. But before we get there, as we are recording here, some news came out and it's trending.

Mick Foley has put out a statement about his severing of his ties with WWE, although still under contract for a little while longer, apparently. He's severing his ties. Do you want to talk about this? a little bit. The dominoes are starting to fall. And we haven't even got our show out yet, where we have talked about it. And nobody, nobody has been able to come to a coherent defense of this fucking pig and his fucking pig-like behavior. And now even people, James Woods, you saw this, you just smarting me up to it. James Wood.

the crackpot right-wing guy in Hollywood of all time is condemning the idiot because he knew Rob Reiner and his wife personally. And now Mick, I just tweeted out, I've always liked him, but now he's my favorite human being in the world. He has principles, he has morals, he can tell right from wrong, he's always been against this guy and these people that enable him. But now he put his money and his, basically his reputation where his mouth was and says, I'm not going to be affiliated with a company that what's the word you'll read it in a second,

coddles this guy. Read what he put out. He put out a statement. By the way, this was news to me. I didn't know he was under a WWE deal right now. I don't think we've really seen him. Maybe he's appeared on one of the Saturday night's main events. I'm not even sure, but I don't even remember the last time we've seen him on TV.

For merchandising purposes, you can imagine how much mankind Cactus Jack McFoly is still worth and a legends contract and et cetera. There's allegiances with most of these guys and the company in some form or another that can still be profitable for everybody, but he don't need it. Well, here's his statement that he issued. I'm not exactly sure. This may be on Twitter. This is where I'm seeing it.

Parting Ways with WWE. While I have been concerned about WWE's close relationship with Donald Trump for several months, especially in light of his administration's ongoing cruel, an inhumane treatment of immigrants, and pretty much anyone who looks like an immigrant, and that's in quotes. Reading the president's incredibly cruel comments in the way, of Rob Reiner's death is the final straw for me.

I no longer wish to represent a company that coddles a man so seemingly void of compassion as he marches our country towards autocracy. Last night, I informed WWE Talent Relations that I will not be making any appearances for the company as long as this man remains in office. Additionally, I will not be signing a new Legends deal when my current one expires in June.

I love WWE. We'll always treasure my time with them and am deeply appreciative for all the opportunities they afforded me. But, in the words of Popeye the Sailor, I stands all I can stands, and I can't stand no more. Boom!

And I wish that more of the boys especially from my generation, who I've been so disappointed by, weren't either willingly blind to what's going on here or just don't want to make the office mad or just really believe in this horseshit

that this fucking guy has spewed, he has poisoned the well of society in our country for generations to come. And you've got to do something. something about it. And you can't be involved with people who won't do something and not only won't do something about it, but are actively trying to support it for their own fucking financial gain. Because Linda's on this cabinet or fucking triple H is on this council or they want to hobnob with the Kennedys. Fuck you. Well, it wouldn't be the Kennedys. It would be one Kennedy.

One, well, it would, it would be one guy. The Black Sheep Kennedy. But just fuck you that you want all of this money that you'll never be able to spend in your entire miserable, greedy lives that you would just stand there and put your arm around that fucking orange pig and just smile. And not everybody in the company is nuts, but they're scared to admit it if they aren't. when they called me how many years ago it was a few now about the cane biography or whatever i said if he had called me five years ago i'd have been happy to be a part of it but now he's standing there with his arm around don't want to be on and the the unnamed person who i was speaking to said well i appreciate your honesty and your position i wish not specifically about him Glenn, but he's about

He just appreciated that hopefully that more people would have some goddamn principle, but nevertheless, Bravo McFoly. Do you think this is just further escalation of the Mankind Triple H feud?

It'll never be over. Can we put Trump on a poll? If we can put Trump on a poll, I want to see those two. more time. Only the pole needs to be the way they did it in the medieval ages, where they inserted it up the rectum greased so that you would slowly

sink on it because of your own body weight and you would be disemboweled in slow motion. All right, you're much more familiar with these medieval tactics than I am. I didn't know that's what they were doing back then, Jesus. Hey, I watch Goddamn History Channel. Oh, is that after hours? Is that after 10 p.m. They show that episode?

No, they say it a little bit fucking more politely than I did, but they give you the same general description, hoisted on your own petard. Instead of the foods that made America, it's the polls that made Europe. The disemboweling that made the Dark Ages. You know, Trump was to send us back to the Dark Ages. We could bring that back for him.

If you put that on pay-per-view, you'd raise enough money to cure cancer. Well, we'll see what happens with McFaulay, if there's any blowback or, if it even matters to this, but like you said, the comments. It's, it just let me say this. It's not going to cost the WWE amount of money that's going to cause them to go out of business, but it's symbolic.

We're not going to have this relationship anymore. I'm not going to work for you, and I'm not going to take your money as long as you're coddling this. and if more people were symbolic, then that's going to spread, because a lot of people like McFoley. He has a lot of fans. A lot of these guys have a lot of fans. And if a lot of people

that have a lot of fans or a lot of listeners would start speaking up, then maybe we could do something about this fucking thing. Yeah, and, you know, obviously it's one thing if you root for someone or root for a side and you're willing to overlook a lot of things because things are getting done, and we could argue if things are getting done, but when it's literally just celebrating the death of someone who was thought highly of

by not just people who were fans of his, but by people who knew him and by people who disagreed with him. I haven't heard one person who disagreed with him, and I've seen several interviewed, who said, I ran into him and he was a prick, not one. They all said he was gracious, and it ended up with a conversation. One person had a deranged view of that, and and thankfully there is some blowback, whether it's McFoley or James Woods or anyone else. Well, and see, that's the thing is that it, sometimes it takes the strangest happenings

to change people's minds about something. And it's not about, oh, he said bad things about Rob Reiner. It's, well, part of it is. But the bigger picture is that it illustrates, again, more clearly than ever before that he's not only a fucking criminal. He's not only a pathological liar. He's not only a narcissist and he's not only a

sociopath. He's out of his fucking mind. He can't control himself. The President of the United States has a Tourette's dementia. He's not stable. He's not fucking competent. And

for the people, Joe Biden, poor Joe Biden, a goddamn honest guy who turned 80 and got a little forgetful. Compared to this, you people have to be out of your fucking minds. I want nothing to do with anybody that can compare this. It's just beyond the level of reasoning. There is something wrong with the most powerful man in the world, mentally, and it needs

to be addressed. All right, I'm done. Well, it sounds like you've given your address, and I'm sure there'll be more in the future. Again, we'll stay on top of this story, and once again, our sympathies to the friends and fans and family of Rob Reiner who did an amazing job in his life of entertaining a lot of people. Jim, you can't always guarantee there'll be entertainment on WWE Raw,

but there were a few things on this week's episode that were important, I guess, to talk about because they're follow-ups of some of the big angles and big things happening, So why don't we talk about what you saw this week on WW RAW? Well, this was the big raw, Brian, the Monday after the big retirement match, the tap out in the Capitol. And as I said, I think earlier in the program that we're doing here, it's not going to affect the, you know, the finish is not going to affect the goddamn

financial stability. of the company and long term it's it's something that is going to be a downer to some people the people in the building Saturday night were not particularly overwhelmed with it but to people that are here now are ready okay well we'll boo gunther because they were all over him from the time they saw him at the top of the program they played the package of the last match and you didn't have to When you watched the package, Brian, did you notice you didn't have to sit there and watch him either hold or get that sleeper again for like five straight minutes? It helped the overall flow of the thing, didn't it? Hey, now that you saw that video, what are your thoughts on the debate over if he smiled or not?

I think you just had just a, it wasn't really smiling. It was just like a resigned, oh, it's over. I don't. I would have had my goddamn time. tongue hanging out and been drooling and gasping and my face turning blue. But I don't know what the fuck is going on there. I still

think it was flatter than four o'clock because it took so long to get to that point. And then it was such a but the package. And here's the thing. Not an appreciable amount of people are going to go back and watch that whole match again versus watching the package version that they're going to have for the next five years or whatever.

And it's the, the video makes it look like a goddamn showdown, right? So, except if you were there that night, just remember, God damn, I paid $16,000 and it just fucking flattered a plateful of piss. They might get by with it.

Anyhow, Goonther comes out and this was not only the best promo for getting heat for a heel that I've seen in a while, but also it was the fewest words that had to be spoken because he just walked out and gloated and laughed and the cascade of booze and you suck and you tapped out. and every time that he would start to speak and then boo, he hates you, fuck you, but it wasn't like when they were doing it for Dominic, Dominic's thing then was to get mad and get frustrated

and make the boo-boo face and that caused him to do it more. And that was his thing because he's the weasily little heel. But Gunther never let, he, the smile never left his face. and he just milked it and he'd speak again boo fuck you and finally yet he's still again he's gloating like a fucking heel and then all he had to say was i did what i said i do i made john sina give up and he tapped out like a little bitch oh god damn and he left the ring and walked down the aisle and then he gloated and then he walked back to the ring and that caused him to boo and he got in and raised his arms and triumph and they booed and he walked out again and he stopped and he came back and he

went over to the announced desk and climbed up on that and told him again i made john sina tap out he was a little bitch and it's my time now and a blah blah blah and he laughed at him and they're fucking pissed off and then he walked out again And the announcers were like he's bathing in the hatred of the fans over what he's done. And then they kept the camera going with him when he went past guerrilla backstage. And he's laughing at like some of the underneath guys. And the people are seeing this on the screen. So he comes face to face with our truth.

Here's a whole other thing I'll go into here in a second. But our truth said, you're nothing but a piece of trash. And the people pop, yay! and Gunther laughs at him who walks off. Brian, do you remember when Our Truth got fired and Ron Killings came back and had the Britney Spears moment where he cut his hair off and he's going to be a goddamn badass for about a week and a half?

Yep. If John Cena was really his, what is he, his brother or his cousin or whatever relationship, I wouldn't, is that the best, he's got you, wouldn't he want to attack him? I mean, do we, did we even need to do that thing, right? Or if they just said, fugget, we gave him his job back, and now nobody remembers they were upset and go sit and catering.

Is that what they're doing with truth? I don't know. I mean, they've established that he's kind of this Sina guy, so he got a big pop when he appeared on the screen for a moment there. I was scared they were about to do Gunther versus Tazawa. It seemed like, I was like, oh, no, that's the only wrestler I see him walking towards. They can't do this. And they didn't, thankfully.

you know, I mean, they wanted Gunther to have these run-ins with people and people were disgusted and people and no one does anything. I agree from the Gunther standpoint and I agree with their, except our truth, and right now, since they're going to do nothing with him, Gunther should just slapped him naked and hid his clothes for that matter. But for a week and a half there, Ron Killings was going to fucking make his name known in the business and all of a sudden, back in fucking goofy land.

I did, and anyway, so then Pierce comes up, Adam Pierce, are you proud? Are you proud of yourself? You're an asshole. He told him off and said, you're done.

You can go ahead and leave the building. You're done for the night. And Gunther laughed at him. And he walked out the back door. And where were they? They were in Washington Saturday. where were they for raw somewhere in the northeast yeah i forget where though there was there's snow out there and you can see the people's breath and there's a j styles stand there but he won't

wear a coat because he's in a t-shirt he's flexing his arms so they look and gunther says hey you got anything to say to me you want anything you want to tell me and a jay's like get into your car and go. Hershey P.A. Say again. Hershey P.A. Oh, Jesus. Christ. No wonder the weather was miserable.

And Gunther gets in a car and he's driving away it as he drives past A.J. He rolls down the window and he does the, you can't see anything to A.J. And he laughs and drives off. And he literally maybe said four sentences in 10 minutes. in front of the people and got more heat and just the way he reacted. And he, there's so many of these guys that want to go out there and do some kind of monologue about now how they've done this and that they're going to change the world and this and

that and the other thing. And it's so prepared and it's so fake and it's so blah and long. This was a big prick. And again, it looks like just a, a, a narque that you just want to just what the fuck right is clean cut look and his german superiority or whatever the fuck and he just left austrian whatever somewhere over there over there the point is he laughs at peace he's a foreigner that laughs at people and taunts them and degrades them and wipes his feet on them and

and he got all kinds and it was like a 15 minute segment you didn't get tired of it and he wouldn't say anything what'd you think I liked it I mean I liked the heat it seemed like it was somewhat genuine they know this is a guy who's a wrestler

it's not the same as it used to be but there's legitimate anger over the finish the booking behind it you could argue but goon through the heel leaning into it was the right move it works spectacularly. We weren't told what he's doing next

or who he's wrestling next. It was all of this, like you said, the first 10 to 15 minutes, then he left. Were you surprised that was it? Were you surprised they didn't bring him back later in the show or do something to set something up on the show? Well, no, because why?

Because why? Why, you know, how are you going to top that? And if he comes back out, they'll, here's another thing a lot of the guys Ted Bill Dundee, Dennis Condry a lot of the guys taught me this when I first got to business once you've got some heat

go and get to fuck out of there because the longer you stay out there the longer they have to yell and cuss at you and fucking vent their spleen and get it out it's like Adrian Street and British wrestling may have been

a different world but Adrian any time we'd fuck the baby face or we'd do anything to get any heat he'd want to stand out there and prance around as long as they were boo and he'd well oh yes and you know do his thing and dundee one night said get the fuck out of there i said what he's get him out of there and they told me he said again when you've just done something and made the people mad let them see it let it register let them know that you did it and then while they're still mad and yelling and throwing things or trying to get at you or whatever get to fuck out of there because they're not finished being mad and they still haven't said

all the things they want to say and they haven't they've i mean these people in the old territory days they would get mad and yell for so long they'd start getting tired and they'd have to sit down some of the old men or women if oh she's god damn i can and by that point you know they're finished with you right but if you do it and get out of there next week when they see you again and another thing. Does that make sense? It makes sense. And, you know,

Gunther, although out there for, you know, like we said, 10, 50 minutes, he left, he came back, he wasn't just doing nothing, so it worked, and he left with all the heat. Well, see, that's also the thing, is that when they think he's gone and then he comes back there,

like, you, motherfucker, you're coming back, that's brilliant, too. And that's, it matches, a lot of the old-time heels, especially when there was only three matches on the card. They'd set their matchup where they'd take a walk, as they called it. You know, almost back to the locker room and almost get counted out a few times. And then after two or three times, the baby face would finally get fucking fed up with it,

run down there and grab the guy and carry him back to the ring. And now you've just, you've killed five or ten minutes. And the people are standing on her feet screaming once he's carrying him back to the ring. and you haven't done anything. It's like, all right, when he's leaving, yeah, well, good riddance to you, and he turns around and comes back, oh, goddamn, you more?

What do you do with Guthar next? Because CM Punk's obviously in a feud with Heyman and his group, so that's one of the world titles. Cody, what is Cody doing? I don't know what Cody's doing actually on Smackdown. So I guess that is an option,

but beyond that, they set up, I guess you could say maybe a match with AJ, but he's one of the tag champions. So what do you do next with her? But hold on. What does AJ Stiles have in common with John Cena? He's retiring. He's retiring.

So it don't have to be next week, but that might be a seed because they've already, they've got Goldberg on the list, they got Sina on the list. Will they have AJ on the list? Is it building up to Brock? I hope it's Brock and not Jericho. I don't think it's going to be Jericho because for a variety of reasons.

I think Jericho would nix that because that wouldn't be the way to, for him to go out, being chopped by those giant meat fucking hooks. He'd want something a little easier probably. But we got cheated out of a rumored Gunther Brock match at one. point, which is where that would be a real torch passing. Because Gunther's whole gimmick is built on being the ring general. He's the closest thing they've got to a legitimate wrestler in the business today. I'd say he's Gene Kineski with a fucking accent.

And just to beat Brock Lesnar man to man, that would be a torch passing. That would be a big deal for Gunther. This thing with Sina has turned out to be a big deal for Gunther. At Goldberg, I think it was a popcorn fart. And AJ might just be to run the fucking scoreboard up. But Gunther and Brock, to me, would be the biggest thing they could do for Gunther. Well, Jim, that wasn't the only promo on this show.

I'm assuming you didn't watch Stephanie Vacarron, Raquel Rodriguez, or anything else. You know, I got called away to the phone. Well, so I'm sorry about that. C.M. Punk was also on Raw this week with a promo. What are your thoughts on that? Like Mussolini. And he's looking grumpy. See, I'm afraid if I hit the full high F note of my octave range, Brian,

I'll flummox up your sound filtering devices. You F those notes. I don't know if that's the F note. Well, that's the thing is that I'm the only one that can hit that. That's why it sounds so good and unique. It's my style. But punk came out and straight to the ring. no, it's clobbering time, no happiness on the entrance

because he had a snarly demeanor is what he had, because he's pissed off. And again, where Gunther did a great heel promo without actually talking, punk did a great baby face promo by, again, another example of, instead of writing shit and giving, giving it to him or memorizing other people's shit or memorizing his own shit and delivering it in a goddamn monotonic monotonistic way, whatever the fuck, droning on.

He's got emotion. He's got the facial expression. He has the inflection. He makes you believe that he believes the words that are coming out of his mouth. and he promoted the fucking match with him into the Netflix anniversary. Has it been a year already, Brian, since this,

these two star cross lovers, WWE and Netflix, engaged in this union of holy fucking financiers. But it's going to be Bron and punk January 5th on the Netflix anniversary. And he's selling the fucking match. He had to miss a couple weeks of TV because he wasn't cleared after war games

because of what Braun did. And at worst, he had to sit home and listen to TV to Bronbreaker talking. He called him a cross-eyed Neanderthal Nepo baby. And he did the promo on Bronbreaker and promoted their match. You can't do it without help from your friends and your mystery masked man. but asked Paul Heyman how many times he's gassed up a talent too soon and they've crashed and burned and he told Bron if he mentioned A.J. Lee and not Stiles, but Lee again, he'd rip his eyeballs out and piss on his single digit IQ brain and then cut to promo on

Braun and the whole family. Bring them all your dumb father and his dumber brother Scott, even with Steiner Math, GTS equals one, two, three. Again, a nice blistering baby face promo that sells the issue that talks about what's happened between the two of them that gets personal and sells the match. And to me, that's what almost all the baby faces, especially in AEW, but even in the whole business, are missing today, is. the fans want to see the baby face come out and fucking throw down verbally on what they think about the fucking heel,

what they think about what the heels done to them, and what they're going to do to the goddamn heel. That's what he just did. But that's my thoughts on that. I liked it. I thought it picked up and it needed to. At first I thought it was kind of like, ah, punk's doing just a, it's just a promo.

it doesn't really, you know, I don't know, it wasn't connecting with me. And then he picked it up and the last minute or so, minute and a half, whatever it was, it was all the fire and it was great. But I thought maybe it's because he had to fill up so much time. It took him a little while to get to the stuff that he, you know, did so well with there. But that was the only thought. There was one part in between, like halfway through where he paused for a second. and I thought that that was going to be some kind of music cue or something.

But I think he noticed, I believe in retrospect, he noticed somebody in the crowd was starting to chant something and he thought it was going to pick up and it didn't pick up. And he said, oh, well, fuck it, I'll go on anyway. But otherwise than that, that's the thing is he couldn't come out slobbering at the very start of the thing because he had however many minutes it was. And so laying down the whole preamble before he took his jacket off and got into it was a way to lay some story out without having to goddamn be out there breathing fire for five, ten minutes straight.

And that's another thing that would help if they were being interviewed. because punk does such a legitimate wrestling promo in this day and age, if that can be said, that he would benefit, I think, sometimes from the guy standing there with the microphone. So when he makes a big point, then the guy could just fucking stand there where punk could fucking look out at the people and they could react. And then the announcer could come in with, well, you know, on January 5th,

that's right, on January, and just be the bridge, right? because elsewise, a lot of times when they're chanting or whatever, is the guy standing there by himself, it just, it still looks odd to me, even though they've done it for so long now. Well, Jim, that was Sam Punk's promo. Of course, there was a main event that they set up an all episode here. Logan Paul versus Ray Mysterio, and a lot of the main players would figure into this. Well, and yes, and it was a nice match for what it was.

but basically again it was the it was set up simply to do the finish there because we're selling the Netflix reunion I keep want to say reunion show anniversary show or maybe all it maybe Netflix is a broken marriage and they're getting together

but so they had a good match Ray does what Ray does and then at the appropriate point Bronbreaker and Bronson Reed we're going to come out and interfere, but punk had said that he was going to have raised back. So they got about 10 feet out of the entranceway, and punk came out behind them with a chair and quack, whack, whack, whack, and they turned around and ran back through guerrilla. So they fought off.

And then Mysterio and Logan Paul continued, but Paul Heyman gave Logan Paul the brass knucks, but before he could use them Ray Mysterio tripped him and gave him the 619 knocked him kind of goofy and the nucks fell off his hand. So Ray is reaching out on the apron to get to brass knucks

when the masked man who apparently they repelled from the ceiling because nobody even popped that a mask guy was anywhere around he runs up and stomps curb stumps Ray on the apron and then Logan Paul hits the splash one, two, three. And then Logan Paul and the masked man face off,

like they, what the fuck's going on here? And punk hits the ring with a chair, so both of them bail out, but the masked man runs up the stairs of the arena, and then turns over, and as punk is looking at him from the ring, he pops the hood, does the mast man, and it's Austin Theory. Surprise. And then in the ring from behind, when Punk realizes, oh, shit, there's Bronbreaker and Bronz-spirited.

And knocked him shitty and told Punk, don't ever speak that way about my family again or you'll never walk again. So do you think, Brian, because we knew it was going to be theory, because that's what people were saying. But is this going to be a thing now where Heyman's other guys didn't actually know that the masked man was going to do these things he was in business for himself

it's theory trying to get into the vision because he's the new young stallion or is that the way they're going to play it but why Logan Paul didn't know what the masked man was going to do there or what's happening here I'm not exactly sure because in the past they've also played it up like Heyman wasn't exactly sure what was happening and they were also talking about oh Seth Rollins was in

in town, but he wasn't there. And so that plays into it. We now have to hear, I assume, theory, do a promo and explain this, or at least Heyman do it for him, but that has to be an explanation. He had a different haircut. I don't know if he had a hair transplant or what, but he had a different haircut. Well, he shaved it almost all the way down to the nub again.

I don't know. Maybe it's because I grew up in the 70s, where everybody had hair everywhere. but again that was a reason a cause of dread that you would be humiliated by having your head shaved in a hair match oh my god you're going to look like a bald-headed geek and now everybody's doing it on purpose i don't know what the fuck's going on do you think they did this well do you think they did this the right way the reveal yes well again it depends on where they're going i think they did this particular a piece of business good because again it heats up punk and brawn on the

Netflix anniversary but also now after a few weeks we know who the masked man is but again is it going to be that Heyman this is Heyman's secret ace in the hole or is this going to be that he was doing this to try to audition for Heyman's group and that's what probably Paul is going to have to be the one to tell us but the thing is behind the scenes regardless however they're going to explain it on camera, it makes perfect sense because Heyman's got Bronbreaker, who's the future of the industry,

Heyman's got Bronson Reed, who as long as he doesn't hurt himself again, and he seems to be able to adapt his work around that ankle, foot problem, whatever, he's young and he's a superstar. Logan Paul, he's the goddamn celebrity, superstar of the piece.

Austin theory and I said this five years ago or whatever we first saw him he's an uncannily experienced in the ring as far as the execution of shit is his technical work in the ring

his timing, his body language he's a goddamn superstar he's better than Randy Orton was at that age. He's the sky is the limit. And so Paul would want that in his group. It's just that was it, was it that they, and Vince obviously saw the same thing a few

years ago, but was theory demoted or hidden to get the Vince stink off of him? Or was he getting a big head? Or I've never met him. Was he a goddamn idiot? And they were like, oh, shit. Apparently Paul thinks that he either these problems don't exist or he can. and modify or control them, because in the ring, in the ring, theory technically, in my opinions, even better than Braun, as far as the execution of his movement of his work in

wrestling. I don't know where he thinks about psychology yet, but at the same point, Braun has the aura and the body that, you know, surpasses everything. But again, again, Again, Heyman's going to want the best young guys in the ring that he can mold in the way that he wants and that have 10 years or more to go with the company. So theory makes perfect sense. It's a hell of a group if they go that route. Theory, Bronn Breaker, Bronson Reed, and Logan Paul with Heyman, that's a lot stronger than Seth Rollins with those guys because Seth Rollins didn't need that kind of group. These guys, it's going to help every one of them just being together. You know, it's interesting to think about, I guess it would be now,

geez, it was probably the beginning of AEW, so like six years or so, whatever it was, when you first saw theory in NXT, and despite him being like in a thing where Gargano, you saw past that, and you were able to see the talent, the look, and I think you predicted, like, this guy is one of the futures of the business, or he's a future main eventor at WrestleMania, whatever it is, It was an early prediction on him. And you did a similar thing with Ron Brayker, of course, he has a little bit more of a wrestling pedigree, but still you saw him and you made that prediction.

And here they are now a few years later, and they were in something together. And, you know, that prediction may come true and it may be one against the other in a few years. Who knows? But I wish that I could crow about the prediction, but you would have to be blind, deaf, and stupid to not have seen Austin Theory. and go, yeah, this guy is technically size-wise, appearance, size, physique, execution of shit physically in the ring. Like I said, I've never spoken to him, so unless he's either complete idiot or an asshole,

or he doesn't seem to be one of the indie-minded goofballs that he wants to be a spot monkey. But, I mean, the timing and just the body language, the whole thing. he would have been, I would have put him at that point in top five of all of my OVW guys that we ever had in the ring. I worked with them personally, so I knew who was going to potentially, you know, blossom also and who might not be the swiftest foot in the race. But looking at him, yes, he would be a stand, as would Bronn Breaker. They'd be a standout in any class I ever had an OVD. So it's not hard to see the difference between them and everybody else in the business at their age or level of experience or whatever.

It's not like I picked somebody that had no attributes and was suddenly right after five years. Who could not have seen either one of these guys? You'd have to be a moron. And also, like I said before, sets of an interesting dynamic when Rollins is ready to come back. Is he going to work with punk to take down these guys? I mean, what's going to happen, but we shall see. Well, Rollins is definitely going to be a baby face with the people because he's going to have been gone long enough and because of injury that they're going to be sympathetic to him when he comes back. And it's tailor made that he's got a variety of grudge

matches against everybody in Heyman's group. Does he team a punk? Does he work with punk well but hold on hold on you could have Seth versus Logan Paul you could have Seth versus Brons Reed you could have Seth versus Austin Theory and the real money you'd probably be Seth and Bronbreaker but then also I still think that Seth and punk ought to be dusty and Oly and if they shouldn't it should never be over they shouldn't even when Oli turned baby face No, we ain't going to have anything to do with each other, at least for a fucking year, until finally, who knows what, by WrestleMania 2028 or whatever the fuck it is,

and the big main events on the line, you could actually have a tag team match with punk and fucking Seth against, I would assume probably the bronze, read and breaker, but who knows what's going to happen on that other side at that point. and that would probably be as a personal issue, a bigger draw than whatever else they might want to do. Well, that was WW RAW, the night after,

or the two nights after, I guess I should say, the John Cena last match. And Jim, we shall return with listener questions right after this short commercial timeout. All right, Jim, you know what that means? It can only mean one thing. It's time for questions. Questions.

Hopefully answers, but we, I guess, we'll see about that. Well, now don't be greedy. Well, we'll see how greedy the listeners are. Of course, these are listener questions submitted via email, the Corny Drive-Thru at gmail.com, as well as through our Facebook, the official Jim Cornett, the official cult of Cornet, that's what it is, Facebook group. We have a monthly thread that goes up there for people to submit questions,

so we're going to go back and forth a little bit. Jim, this question was sent via the Culta Cornett Facebook group by Michael Cotter, there have... Welcome back. Your dreams were your ticket out. Welcome back. Were you a fan of Welcome Back, Cotter? Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh.

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Yes, that's where I first formed my first, you know, young teenage opinion of New Yorkers was from Welcome Back Cotter and the train and everything. I'm like, what the fuck's going on up there? All right, and those are your thoughts? Just basically what you saw when John Sebastian was singing. Those are your thoughts on what? What are your thoughts on taxi or more appropriately the 59th Street Bridge?

Well, it's feeling groovy. Well, let's get to Mr. Cater's question here. There have been rumors about Ricky and Robert not getting along. With all of Jim's interactions with the Rock and Roll Express, did he ever see any arguments or dissension between them? Oh, good Lord. Brian, do you know a couple that's been married for 40 years that have never had an argument?

I know. I'm waiting. Okay. No, yeah. There has, they've had arguments in the past or fucking picked at each other or whatever or back and forth, but they also, they've been a tag team. Well, and I think they still actually, is Robert still wrestling once in a while? I don't know.

But I know that when I inducted them in the Hall of Fame, they'd been a tag team for 34 years. And they wrestled matches for several years after that. So, yes, I mean, I haven't actually witnessed them yelling at each other or anything like that, but they've been in a snit a time or two in 40 fucking years, but I'm pretty sure everything's fine. I can make a guess about one of them because a fan week one year, it was probably 95 when Ricky fell out with Smokey Mountain for a brief period of time. Well, there was a, that was a period. Either he fell out with Smoky Mountain or Andrea fell out of the car. I forget exactly what happened. Actually, no, that's the problem.

Andrea got knocked out of the car by Tracy's girlfriend and that whole thing occurred. But I remember talking to Robert one time at the at the merch table because that's where you could talk to all the baby faces at the shows. They were all there. We were the smart fans. So, you know, some guys actually would talk to you. And, you know, this was, let's see, seven years later or so. And he was still like, yeah, when Ricky screwed us up in 1988, he walked out of the

NWA, he blamed that all on Ricky. walking out in, I guess, January 88? Yeah, well, it, it, Ricky was probably the, the driving force behind that decision. But, uh, you know, again, that, you were talking to him in 1995 and they were still teaming 25 years later. So,

Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers, I don't know whether it was 1984, in 1985, one of the first years that they were a team is the fantastics, they got an actual goddamn fist fight in a parking lot of a Lequinta somewhere for some reason. Oh, wow. And I wish Bobby was sitting here right now so he can tell me the story, but that's all I remember, but it shit happens.

You know, but at the same time, you know, then if you like a guy originally and then you have a problem or a fight or whatever, you're more predisposed to make up and get back together and work together and whatever, whereas if you didn't like somebody to begin with, then that's generally a good reason to fuck that guy and don't deal with him anymore. Were there any... Were there any... Were there any... ...that had good runs that didn't get along?

Like, good long runs, not like brief periods of time or something like the Polans where all of a sudden they just get into a giant fight in front of everyone in the back, but... Like the tag team we think of like, oh, that's a great team. Oh, they hated each other. God, I'm trying to. It would have been awful tough, especially in the territory days, to do that for long because you had to be around somebody so much. And there were many different people that coexisted as tag teams. You could find two more different people than Ray Stevens and Nick Bockwinkle, but they both loved each other.

but I don't I can't think of a long running successful tag team that hated each other the whole time even like steamboat and young blood steamboat didn't hate young blood yeah see I think some of that's overstated yeah it was just he didn't dislike him at all he wished it just he he was not a steamboat was clean as a whistle and young blood was as obviously because he died at the age of 30, he was way off in the other direction. You know, someone recently sent over a photo, and now I can't remember where it was if it was on Twitter, if it was in the group, or if it was in an email. But I just saw this photo recently, and the person said, Jay Youngblood was married into my family. I want to say, like, his wife was our cousin or something like that. Oh, I saw that because you sent me that picture, too.

Yeah, and at Thanksgiving one year, there was Ricky Steamboat. He had nowhere else to go. before he was married, I guess, and he came with Jay Youngblood to Thanksgiving. And I'm like, well, you know, for all those stories that they couldn't stand each other, or specifically, Steamboat couldn't stand being around Youngblood, this kind of says that it wasn't always the case. I mean, here they were a year and a half before they split up having Thanksgiving together. Well, and see, that's the thing is that, again, you talk about long-running tag teams, the Fargoes.

Jackie and Don were on the outs for a while, but then they got back together, and they were on the outs for a while again. But, you know, they hadn't seen each other when they went to the Charlotte Fan Fest that year. And in, God, did they say 25 years at that point? But then they caught up because they originally liked each other.

Then they fell out. Then they got back together because they could make money because they were a big team. And then they just weren't around each other. other and went separate ways but then the nostalgia factor kicked in when they were old and could visit again so were you there for that in charlotte when they got back together yes oh god yes i've got pictures in between them and i'm the one that inducted them into the hall of whatever the fuck it was called at that point and i said about don fargo i said you know there's an old saying that after

nuclear war, the only thing left on Earth living will be Keith Richards and cockroaches. Well, Don Fargo's in the room. And he will be eating the cockroaches and Keith Richards will be Mrs. Fargo. It was great to say, but yeah. And bad thing is, I think that was like two years after Ruff House had passed away. So we could have had all three of them. but but anyway, you know, but yes, but great tag teams that were long running

and just couldn't stand each other, I can't. Ray, uncle and Buddy Fuller. There you go, but how long did they run? And it was only in Georgia. That's the thing. How long were they a team? The fact was that eventually they had to team because that's what the fans wanted

and that's what would draw and they hated each other. Yeah. But I don't know how long they hated each other and how long they actually, I guess, from 64 on, right? 65 on. Yeah, but it wasn't like they were a tag team

in and out. It wasn't like that was their whole deal. They didn't run as a team for seven years or whatever it was. Jim, on the topic of the Rock and Roll Express, where do you stand on an official spelling? Do you think you need the letter N? Do you think it should be

just a mark for an N? Do you think you need to write out, rock end roll? What are your thoughts on an official spelling? What is that? Is that the Amper sand. Is that what that's called? Something like that. Something like that. Did I just reveal more of my incredible knowledge about the English language? Let me just look this up for a second.

Because that's the symbol. If that's the symbol, that's what you need. Because it's rock and roll. And like, you know, hold on here. Animal Cule? What is animal cule? Oh, it's a microscopic animal organism. Now everyone's learning. See, and we've got to learn. Brian, you've got to, you've got to, you keep learning. Okay, amphibian amphetamine amper sand, the character, which represents the word and,

and that's what it is. So you need the ampersand. And they needed the amphetamines. Let's get back to the Rocklands Express. What are your thoughts on an official way to spell? Do you use the ampersand? Do you write the letter N? Yeah, I just said that, the ampersand.

Okay. I see it a lot with the letter N to the point where I started using it a little bit, because I thought that's the official spelling. well actually that was in a lot of the 50s rock and roll concert posters they would do that because it was a brand new thing and the oldsters didn't really know what was going on there but i think we've how does the rock and roll hall of fame do it google that how do how do they handle this fucking burning controversy the rock and roll hall of fame they use the ampersam Well, there you go. If you can't agree with Jim Cornett in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, who can you agree with?

I rest my case. They also don't have Paul Revere and the Raiders or the monkeys or plenty of other bands that belong in there. So who gives a fuck how they do it. Well, but they can spell the goddamn fucking genre. I'm not going with the idea they are the official arbiters of what is or isn't rock and roll. Fuck Yon Wunner. Well, when you fuck Yon Winer, you're fucking. a lot of people who have put their hard work and sweat and tears into that wonderful

structure in Cleveland that means so much to so many people. See, I thought you were going to say when you fuck Yon-Linner, you get on the cover of Rolling Stone, but what you said. Well, but not not anymore. How old is he now? Well, he doesn't own him. He can't be. Okay, well, that's right.

They changed owners, and now it's the shits. Someone wrote a biography of him several years back. and it's pretty good. I actually never finished it, but the parts I read were pretty good. It seemed rather honest, and it seemed like it, without trying to take sides or a hit or anything,

presented the good and the bad. That's what it seemed like to me. Apparently, he hated it, even though, like, I think he did interviews for it or whatever. So then he put out his own biography, and it was the biggest pile of shit anyone ever read. It was just the biggest head up his own ass pile of shit ever. But that's the Rock and Roll Express, ladies and gentlemen. Let's get another question.

Let me close this. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame still open. It's still open at this hour? Jim, we've received a few questions about CM Punk's run. This one seems pretty thorough. Let me ask you this. This was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Mark in Manchester, UK. Yesterday, as he sent this in, which was a little over a week ago, December 8th, marked CM Punk's 744th day in WWE during his current and second stint with the company. This meant he officially surpassed his 743 days during his AEW tenure. How would you compare each tenure with the companies and which is most?

successful. Putting aside fallouts and suspensions, in the case of AW, he had memorable moments and was undoubtedly their biggest attraction. Compared to his current WWE tenure, where he has had a couple of great feuds, particularly with Drew McIntyre, and continues to be one of their biggest attractions headlining some of their biggest shows. Hope you have a great Christmas. it passed while you were reading that fucking question uh could we boil this down to which run was better punk in a e w or punk in w ewe that's the question right i guess if we're boiling it down it's comparing the two runs again i was it's kind of crazy to see that he's now been back longer than he was in a e w that i hadn't thought of it that way that's crazy well that's because time passed

so much more slowly we were having to watch the rest of that shit over there but No, there's no comparison. I mean, yes, punk had good matches in AEW with MJF and did the big house on his comeback in Chicago, which was an, you know, incredibly great television moment and did, I forget how many pay-per-views, but what is it, their first three pay-per-views where they did over a million-dollar gate and some other, he obviously had some metrics of success there. but as we've talked about with a lot of people in AEW he really he tried but he didn't have long running rivalries or programs with anybody they'd build up a match and he'd have it but they don't have long running rivalries and programs in AEW because nobody can keep track of even who the fuck's on who's signed and they come and go like the win in WWE he's he had the thing with Drew,

which was again, personal issues, draw money. I can't say that enough anymore. And that was a personal issue and it was hot. And then he had the deal with A.J. Lee coming back for the mixed tag with Seth and Becky. And that carried that show. He's the world champion. He actually, again,

there was a period of time when he first came back where, you know, I can't really think of any, otherwise than has he had an injury? When, since he's been back in WWE, was he not highly figured in at the top of the fucking cards? I don't have all my notes in front of me

from the last two years. Listen, he returned. There was a big moment, Survivor Series, big surprise moment. I think it was Survivor Series. It was war games, I think. But he returned, big moment. Him and Drew. Him and Seth Rollins.

I mean, you kind of went right to the AJ Lee thing. Oh, yeah. That's kind of in the midst of their feud. Yeah, well, and also him and Seth, but I just loved the mixed tag because it took me back. But the stuff with him and Hayman. It's easy to overlook that, but that's some pretty good stuff too. And plus, not that it's even a fair comparison.

but the money generated by him during his WWE run dwarfs, you know, anything that he generated in AEW because it's completely different financial structure and completely different atmosphere. And so I would imagine that his merchandise since he's been back in the WWE was more profitable than all the pay-per views he was on in AEW put together. but I know people are thinking

I don't look at a comparison just based on did he have a good match or two yes he had those milestones that did business in AEW and that was proof that he was doing he was having a good run but in WWE the platform's so much bigger

the money scale is so much larger and he's got so many more guys to work with and they don't fuck shit up nearly as badly or as often because they still do but there's multiple people that the shit has to go through in the w w w instead of just tony blurting shit out and punk trying to find people to work with over there that aren't so indie minded like the pages of the world that they get in their own way so he's had a tremendous roster to work with here and a great promotional machine behind it.

See, the best of AEW, and there were good moments, even that Eddie Kingston promo back and forth. It didn't lead to a feud or anything, but it was him and MJF. Like, those were the two guys that kind of needed each other at that time, and it worked. Maybe the best feud in AEW history. Best matches, best singles matches. Yeah. In some cases, in AEW history.

It was, you know, now that you say it like that, a problem, because who else is he going to work with there? And he was there now. If punk hadn't left or been fired or whatever happened, who would he be working with right now? An undertaker, because he would have committed suicide? Seriously, who would he be working with? The death riders? No.

Well, I guess you're saying his current WW run is better then. Yes, I mean, can you, you know, maybe, let's say if he was there, would he want to try to just move Kyle Felger's? in the house with him and just try to teach the fucking kid something because he's got all the other tools but he's the same as the rest of him i don't know anybody that's you know that's business-minded enough to understand how to do a program with c munk over there right now jim our next question was sent via the cult of cornet facebook group by joe ed holt Well, now pick one.

Is it Joe or is it Ed? I look at Edge and Moxley and others who left the WW for AEW and losing the superstar luster they previously had. It got me wondering, is it possible through production to take a subpar wrestler and turn them into superstars? Now, hold on. Take it, Jim. I was going in a...

completely different direction. Apparently I missed the curve. Would you repeat that? I will. And I picked it, so here we go. I look at Edge and Moxley and others who left the WW for AEW, and losing the superstar luster they previously had, he got me wondering,

is it possible through production to take a subpar wrestler and turn them into superstars? Okay, I'm getting a little bit of, more of it now. But here's the thing, when he mentioned Edge, the reason why I got distracted for a second and missed that

hairpin turn, I just realized, Edge, the last we saw of legendary baby face Edge was the heels beat his wife up and he, instead of getting even,

he said, oh, fuck it, I got to go home. And that's the last time we've seen him. Correct? That is correct. That is correct.

FTR did a big angle. where they beat up Beth Phoenix and then she was gone and then Edge announced he couldn't be there anymore he was gone and then FTR just did other things. Do you think Beth is mad? Do you think every time Edge comes home in the house she's like,

did you kick those guys' asses yet? What the fuck? They beat me up six months ago. Well, honey, I'm going to do it, but you know, I had to get the car washed and then I'm going to drive right because they're only across town. I'll just drive right over there

and said, oh, but shit. I got to pick the kids up at school or elsewise I'd drive right over there and kick their asses because they just live on the other side of town. Say, you think your brother will go with me? What times your brother get off of work? What the fuck were they think? Is an edge again deader than Kelsey's nuts? If when he comes back as a baby face that he didn't bother to get even for his wife being

beaten up? I don't know if that'll be the thing that. would make me say he's deader than Kelsey's nuts. I feel like a lot of his return to wrestling since he returned to the WWE and had that match with Ortoner, WrestleMania, has been a big miss and he's kind of taken down

his luster. When you think about what he was and what he is now and what he's involved with, I don't think it's going to matter. I mean, when they bring him back, it's going to be ridiculous if they start going back to this feud. When was that?

It was over the summer, wasn't it? When did that happen? I think it was warm weather. Yeah, I mean, so it happened a while ago. The guys in a match didn't even have shirts on, so it must have been fairly warm. Yeah, so I don't know if people are going to really be like super gung-ho for Edging Christian versus FTR now

as they would have been if an angry husband was on the loose months ago. You think? You think they've waited until the fucking heat cooled off, but nevertheless, this fucking morons question. This culticor-coran fan member here, very nice, man, I'm sure. Then don't ask stupid questions, because edge wasn't a subpar wrestler that had a superstar aura only because he was on the

WWE, but he was, unfortunately, it was enhanced in his later years by being on WW television and he got no support when he crossed over the bridge there and found a new, you know, land to play in. he hasn't got a lot of help and it's mostly the booking and as we just made fun of what's gone on there but i mean again i never saw moxley as dean ambrose we weren't watching the show then thankfully and i've never heard that he was remarkably better then and suddenly is just the shits he is now he looked even goofier with hair possibly than he does as the balding play Lumber. He looked like just some indie fucking guy when I see pictures of Dean Ambrose. So,

thank you. The question is, could they take a subpar wrestler with production, get him over? I would say that if, if Dean Ambrose was over in WWE, that's exactly what they did. But was Dean Ambrose important in the overall scheme of things in OW in WWE. I don't see the Dean Ambrose fan club picketing any of the buildings. We're not seeing Dean Ambrose's, you know, fucking DVDs, greatest hits. What the fuck? Brian, do you have any idea of whether anybody gave a shit about him then or not up there? They definitely gave a shit when he was in the shield because the shield were a big deal.

Well, standing in between Seth Rollins and Roman Raines, I'm talking about just a little Pismo over there in a corner by himself. Did the people care? He was over for a brief bit because he was getting a push. He was the lunatic fringe, and he would do his silly moves and, you know, make his funny little walk and do all this things. But he paled in comparison. There were certain people wanting to tell you he was the guy that was going to be

the breakout star of the shield. There were people comparing him to Terry Funk. I say Uncle Dave is one of them people, isn't he? It's the people that have talked to John Moxley and like John Moxley is who it is. And meanwhile, Roman Raines think today about what his legacy is, and Seth Rollins, who's one of their main event guys and has been and will be in between injuries going forward. And then their other bag carrier from former days sticks, chopsticks in his head.

So yet you can, obviously, with good production, accentuate a guy's strengths and eliminate his weaknesses and the music videos and the highlight compilations and good booking, if that all goes into the loose catch-all of production, then yes, obviously, you can make everybody look better than they might be if they're on some cable access program, and that's the difference. but ultimately there has to be some level of talent for you to work with. And so it's not really just trying to take any slub and make him a star, but it's trying to take a guy with a lot of tools and a lot of potential.

And as I said, accentuate strengths, eliminate weaknesses, and focus on how to present him, that type of production. But that's not just combined to wrestling. that's any showbiz, music, movies, whatever the case. Hey, Vince McMahon and the Ultimate Warrior. Vince knew what he had. They hit a lot of it with music, with running to the ring, with shaking the ropes, with quick matches, especially if it's a squash match,

in and out, quick, with lots of music and running around. That was hiding something. And even Heyman. 911, Big Al, wasn't much of a wrestler. He had a look and he had a size, but, you know, he wasn't going to take a snap mare. You know, it was like, that wasn't his thing. Yeah. Eamon knew what he had.

He had him run out there, choke slam people got the choke slam super over, and then get them out of there. So, I mean, those are examples, I guess, you could say, of hiding people, hiding subpar talent or wrestling production. Well, and that is, that is obviously as old as the hills in wrestling is, again, you know, push a guy and don't let it get old, but then all of the things that you just mentioned, you can't have a guy that's a top guy that's still lasting that stands a test of time. Ultimate Warrior had his window and then that window closed. And, you know, the other, it goes back to Jack Feffer and the freaks and Martin the Blimp Levy and the angels and all that stuff.

They draw, but it doesn't stand the test of time. So production only goes so far. Jim, our next question was sent via the cult of Cornette Facebook group by Isaiah Berserco Vidardi. Oh, come on now! We have an international audience. Hello, Isaiah. The berserker.

When did you know John Cena was going to be a superstar? When he came to OVW and I met him. I mean, there must be plenty of people you've had come in there with a great physique or a great look or even a great rap and you thought one thing when it comes to i know this guy's a superstar was it that quick yeah because and again the great rap he didn't wrap at all the great rap i just mean i don't turn me off i know i know what you're saying and we're going to rap with each other baby the wolfman jack kind of rap you know what i'm saying no here's the thing John came in, I look at the physique.

I look at his conditioning. I see him work out a few times in the ring. I hear him cut a promo because he was a heel in OVW, the prototype, and his heel promos were already good. He just never, never ever did him again. But also, John, when he got here, He had already found, we sell, we'll help you get a place to say, no, I've already found that. He automatically showed he was self-sufficient.

He was mature. He was on, he was early, and he didn't flake off and, you know, he stayed late. And, I mean, was it six months after he was here? Maybe not. Daddy Davis was letting him drive the ring truck. you know he was a mature adult with all the tools and an incredible work ethic so i thought originally because he was a heel then and because his promos were so good and he had that he already had the body language down of a heel that he would be potentially one of the top heels

going into the system. I didn't know they were going to change it around and make him a baby face, but and I thought his work, honestly, in the ring, as good as he was in, what, 2001, I thought his work was going to continue to, you know, improve at that rate.

And I'll be the first one to say, John is not goddamn, you know, Nick Bockwinkle in the ring when he's, it comes to an overall worker, he does what he does and what he got over. But otherwise in that, he had everything already. He just needed experience. I mean, he wanted to learn. He read, he studied, he asked things. He whatever the work ethic is on a scale of one to 100, he was 110. So I picked him, and I thought the same thing about Batista

because of his look rather than any other ability he had. And I was kind of wrong at start about Randy Orton because he was so not committed and so not trying hard and so not working on his body that even though he had the natural ability and had it in his jeans and everything, I didn't think he was going to make it. But then after, what was it, the first nine months or so,

and we busted him a couple of times when he, like the time he said on tape, is that he didn't know it was being recorded. I hate wrestling. I only come to get my $750 a week or whatever it was. But then he started working on his body and applying himself. And he got his head out of his ass and then you could tell. But, I mean, Brock. I figured that the only caveat I had was Brock

was if he ever started really trying hard and acted like he wanted to do it. And he did start trying hard when they brought him up to the main roster, but he never really acted like he wanted to do it until what about five, six, seven years ago. But anyway, you just, you see things if you have, seen a lot of people, then you can see what stands out about them versus what stands out about other people. Or it doesn't stand out. Does that make sense? It does. In terms of what stood

out, obviously, Cina's a very bright guy. And you brought up Lesnar and Batista and Orton, all, each one of them is very different than the other. And you had so many other students come in and when I was supposed to come in and out. Come in while you were there in OVW. In terms of talking to Cina, When did he first impress you? Was it just, like you said, he got his own apartment, he's self-sufficient? Or were there things that you saw or just noticed in conversation with him that were different than the way other people thought about things or talked about things? Well, yes, he was a smart guy, but also a witty guy. And, you know, he was the perfect guy to have in a locker room because he liked to laugh and jokes.

around, but he wasn't going to be laughing and joking instead of fucking applying himself to what they were doing. And again, for the, especially for the field here, the roster that I had at the time, he was one of the top percentile in terms of athletic appearance and because of his bodybuilding background. But he also, you know, just had already the basic abilities in the ring that you needed to be able to coach a guy without having to tell him how to tie his shoes first. He, you know, he just got it.

And he sucked up information, like all the memos and the notes and the essays and the books and everything I would give them to read. And there was a video that somebody had on the internet a couple of weeks ago that I guess they put out some type of retrospective on him. where when they interviewed him in his first couple of years on the main roster when he was, had become a star, but he pulled his plastic storage drawers out and still had all the VHS tapes that we had given him an OVW because I recognized the labels and some of it.

Danny Davis is handwriting. This great tag team and this great wrestler and best of this and that and the other thing. He watched all that shit. All right, Jim. our next question I will read in the name of the holidays spreading joy this person has sent in this question probably

20 times in the last year but you're going to finally get it on well there you go this was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from big andy in a Louisville Kentucky now wait a minute I know I knew big Andy

and he was from New Jersey big Andy Varga you remember him I do I used to buy stuff from him not as the stuff that you got before the convention opened, but yes, I do know. Yeah, that's how you were only about seven years old when I bought all of stuff from Andy Varga. What does Big Andy here in Louisville want to know? Jim, who was the fart-nest motherfucker you ever had to be in the locker room with? This guy said this question nonstop all year.

You finally get out, who was the fart-ness motherfucker you ever had to be in the locker room with? Well, see, I don't know it depends because it depends. A lot of the bodybuilders, those protein shakes would, you know, just make you just stinky fart. But at the same time, some of the guys with, you know, lesser, shall we say, strict diet who are just eating shit all over the place, they might be able to bust one out every now and then that would, you know, send everybody running for. from the room, but I don't know if I can finger a particular person as being the, I'm kind of proud of what I've done in the past. Because when we went to Louisiana, Dennis Condrey had bought that van from Stan Lane,

a Ford Econnellan van with the side door that slides open and everything, right? And it's got the kind of okay padding on the back where you can get a little rest, but not like a whole customized thing. but one time we had we were on a trip somewhere and I had eaten I think the previous three meals that I'd had were all from gas stations because we're always in a fucking car right and I'd stopped and got some KFC nuggets and gravy on top of like the previous nights gas station smoke sausage with barbecue sauce from the place in Little Rock whatever and is as we pulled up to the gas pump, I let out, and you know, the ones that are hot, Brian, the ones that are the highest temperature are the ones that are going to be not only the quietest,

but the stinkiest. Because thing about this, when you fart and makes a loud noise, it's not hot, it's cold. But if you fart and it just comes out like that, it's noxious gas and it's hot. It's almost. most flammable. We pull up to the pumps. I let that out. What, what do you say?

You just say that it's flammable. The next line is we pulled up to the pumps. But that's where we were. We pull up to the pumps. And right when I let that thing, everybody smelled it at the same time. And Dennis was driving and jumped out of his door. And Bobby was in front seat and jumped out of his door. And Buddy Landel and Carl Fergie were next to the side sliding door, and they whipped it open, and they jumped out all at the same time, and they were all going, oh, God, geez! And we scared this poor old woman next to us to death.

All of a sudden, this black van pulls up, and she's sitting there quietly at her car, and these bleached blonde 250-pound muscle heads jump out of every door all at the same time screaming. Oh, God, damn! Jesus Christ. And she almost pulled the fucking thing out of the tank while the gas, the pump, while the gas was still going.

And she was, and they said, oh, we're sorry, man. We're sorry, man. He farted. I didn't answer the question. Who was the fartness motherfucker in the locker room? Probably me. In the locker room? Well, everywhere.

Think about the shit I used to eat back then. Now that I'm thinking about it, I made Bubba choke one time, and Bobby had a weak stomach anyway. So maybe it was me. What a diplomatic answer I did not expect, but there it is, Big Andy. The fartness motherfucker in wrestling Jim Corvette. What a shock. What a shocking turn we have here.

But now, hey, for the sake of, in honor again of Rob Reiner, we've got to go back to the Andre story, because I don't know if he was the fartness motherfucker of all time, but when he farted people, people noticed it. And that's what sometimes he would sit on guys he didn't like and fart on them or whatever. But Rob Reiner said on a set of the Princess Bride one day they're all there and doing whatever they're doing on the movie. And Andre let out a 17 second long fart.

And think about the count to 17, Brian, I can't even go that long. And they all looked at him. and then Rob Ryder said, you okay, Andre? He said, I am now, boss. Oh, there it is. So he had the best ones. Have you seen the Princess Bride? Yes, a long time ago, it's not like that I, you know,

have studied it and gone back to it and made notes on it and everything. But at the same time, marriage is a very noble, Noble institution. I can't remember the rest of it. I just like the marriage. All right, Jim, let's get some more questions here. This one was sent via the Cult of Cornette Facebook group by Frederick Roberts. How was the NWA Junior Heavyweight Championship book back when it meant something?

And when did the NWA stop giving a damn about it? Guys like Danny Hodge, Vern Gagne, and Baron Leonie were top guys in those days. by the time of my fandom, we had Denny Brown and Lasertron. Was that the end of the question? Yes, it was. Well, the answer is kind of what he said. The NWA World Junior Heavyweight title

was never really nationally as a draw on par with the World Heavyweight title, but it was more recognized and more well used in, what would you say, Brian, the 40s, 50s, 60s, definitely. Into the 70s. I would say into the 70s. Well, I was going to, that's where I was going to say is, what was Hodges car wrecked in 72 or 73? Because I can't remember that that was the beginning of the end. But nevertheless, besides the fact that a lot of guys were smaller back in those days, because the average,

population was smaller, so it somewhat made sense. They always, they had a world junior heavyweight champion that worked, that could, same thing as the world heavyweight champion that could travel around and work with different smaller guys in the territories, and they concentrated them on like the territories where smaller weight wrestling was in fashion. The Tennessee territory was a light heavyweight territory, as they used to call it back in to 40s. Smaller guys, quicker action, but this was, the smaller guys were 180, 190,

20, 210, but that was a time almost 100 years ago when the heavyweights were 22, 20, 30, 240, 240, except for the freaks. And then, Leverallie McGurk's territory, because McGirk was a junior heavyweight wrestler. and I guess by the time that Danny Hodge came along, that's when it really was used more, the most that the junior heavyweight title was ever used in the actual territories,

the official territories that had formed in the mid-50s with the rise of studio wrestling and local TV and regional syndication, because Danny Hodge had made so many headlong, lines. He was legitimately the best wrestler in the United States. He was on a cover of Sports Illustrated. He went to the Olympics. He won the dominated the NCAA.

He was a phenomenon and everybody knew who he was. But I think he probably wrestled at amateur, maybe not even at 190. But by the same token, they had to

somewhat bow to realism in that they can't bring Danny Hodge into the wrestling business and have him losing preliminary matches. Because then that would be completely ridiculous since he was completely dominant in school and college in the Olympics. So it made sense. And because he was a Oklahoma product and a product or a project of Leroy-M-M-A-M-Berick, Gerks, the Oklahoma promoter who had all the ends to get anybody the NWA junior heavyweight title. It made perfect sense.

And from then on, from what, 60, when he first won it, probably 60, 61 to when he had the car wreck in 72 or 73, the only time he would lose it is to set up a return match where he'd win it back. and he was the biggest draw and biggest baby face in Oklahoma and Missouri and all of McGurts territory down into Louisiana. But at the same time, he could travel around the country and defend it because everybody knew who he was. Then after Hodge, it's like in modern times, all the guys have gotten bigger, the emphasis on heavyweight title.

The Southern heavyweight title in Memphis until 1916. 75 was the Southern junior heavyweight title. But then somebody looked and realized that Jerry Lawler was working with the Mongolian stomper for the belt and what the fuck sense does this make? So I think at that point, the NWA didn't care Ken Mantell. I don't know if Ken Mantel's family would have paid to see Ken Mantel wrestle. And they just kind of put it on guys that could be. on the card and then

the only reason it showed up on Denny Brown or even being used really on Crocket's TV is because Dusty had a soft spot for Denny Brown because he was an old Florida guy and well he'll get a little Denny may give him the junior heavyweight champion they used to be that great trivia question

who were the only two brothers to hold the NWA world title in two different weight divisions who would that be Jack and Jerry Briscoe. In two different ways. Jerry Briscoe was World Junior Heavyweight Champion. Okay.

I see what I thought both of them had to. I'm sorry. I thought both brothers had to have won the both weight divisions, and that threw me off because it's almost the end of the program. But yet that is, because the Funks were the only brothers to hold the NWA World Title, but the Briscoes were the only brothers to hold both the world title and a junior heavyweight tire, a heavyweight title and junior heavyweight title. Jim, our next question sent via the Cult of Cornette Facebook group

was sent by Mark J. Ritchetti Jr. But you doesn't gotta call him Mark J. Dumb question, probably. But I was just re-watching the episode of Raw where Austin saves Stephanie from being sacrificed on the Undertaker's symbol. I had completely forgotten that Jim was on commentary that night. as a matter of fact so have I

did he and J.R. know that they were calling something that will be replayed thousands of times in the future or was it just another goofy Russo era skit? It was just another goofy Russo era skit that because

if I'd have known that it was going to be replayed thousands of times over A, I would have remembered I was there because I remember it happening but I didn't remember we were on commentary and B, I might have have called in sick that day just so that I wouldn't be a part of it. But yeah, I mean, and at that point, I wasn't doing commentary regularly on the cable programs.

I was doing syndication, voiceover, whatever, but I did some of those shows during that era when for various reasons, one of the other guys was indisposed. and it was just, it was just getting really fucking silly. So, so, so yeah, when they had Stephanie tied

to that fucking goofy cross gimmick that they were trying to make Undertaker and his group, the Satanistic forces and all of that other cockah, I kind of tuned that out. All right, so no memories of that. Thank you for your question.

Thank you for reminding me that I was someplace, I didn't want to be. This next question was sent via the cult of Cornett Facebook group by Darren Chappalo. What did Jim do when he got a day off from being on the road? It seems like a day wouldn't be long enough to relax when the rest of the time you were going from city to city. Well, it depends on the particular time frame. Because like if I had plenty of days off from the road Smoky Mountain Wrestling, we were only running

three or four days a week, plus the WWF dates, but I was still booking or doing business or whatever. An OVW, same thing. WWF, I wasn't on the road regularly, but we either had to go to the goddamn office or do something, but there was more time off there. Generally, it was always stay home and just not goddamn leave the house,

because why would you want to? but when I was in early on either in Louisiana or Dallas or the early days of Crockett, especially if I was not married and or had a significant other in the house at the time. My favorite thing in Louisiana, I had an apartment with a KFC on the corner. and so I would actually, instead of eating a fast food meal in the car, I would just go right up to the quarter and get me about 30 or 40 of those fucking nuggets that they used to have, the good ones, and a bunch of mashed potatoes and a bunch of gravy,

and I would sit at home and watch tapes of wrestling from around the various territories and eat my goddamn chicken nuggets. And I would do the same thing in Dallas, except instead of the KFC, it was the PTA. Have you ever had the PTA, Brian? What's PTA? Pizza Transit Authority. That was the place that delivered pizza.

I lived in Irving, Texas, and they left a flyer. And I was in that apartment for five months, and I guarantee you I had PTA pizzas four nights a week. Bobby Eaton came in and picked me up one time. He said, Corny, I like your new carpet. because I had empty pizza boxes spread out all over the fucking floor. But that's why I would sit there and I would eat my pizza and I would watch wrestling tapes of territories around on my day off

because that way I'd be able to catch up. And, you know, it just depended on what restaurant of my favorites that I was closest to. That was my thing. In Atlanta, when I'd get back from Columbus, Georgia on Saturday night, by midnight and had Sunday off. Boom, in goes the eight-hour block of Petticino's wrestling shows and a goddamn giant dominoes and a huge thing of fucking chicken fingers.

Can you see why I sometimes had a problem with my weight? And your gas, from what we talked about earlier. That's right. When you were in Dallas, did you ever have pizza in? I always had pizza. Well, sometimes I had pizza out. famed from the famous von eric commercials for them so i thought maybe that'll be no i i was i was never a pizza in a patron because they for one thing they weren't near me and for the other thing i don't trust the

von erics tell me about it's such a weird commercial i mean again from someone who grew up in new york eating pizza in new york you see this is like get your pizzas every pizza comes with free biscuits said wait a what it doesn't seem like it goes together well that's the that's a Texas thing. They don't even do that down here. All right. Well, that is Jim. Our final question here today. And with that, the drive-through is closed. Where's this thing? All right. Well, you know what? We promised people some songs.

Yes, we did. So we're going to place this song. So what would you like me to sing? Let me warm up. No. I'll sing. I'll sing acapella. Oh, Acapella. You know, we would do that. What do you want me to sing? We're having so many audio issues with you. I wouldn't want to do that. It would be wasting your time. so I think we should listen to other music from other people. Oh, okay. Well, I don't want to be, you know, my voice to be altered where people don't get the full experience.

So go ahead. Well, this was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from an old friend of ours. Let's get a new song from Rocky the Ramon. What the fuck is this? I can't explain that. Where's Rocky the Ramon? I need a version of, I can't explain it.

It's not the song. Oh, no. Tonight's the night Jim's going to watch the wrestling. Tonight he'll put all of the things aside. Hopefully this time they won't be testing. Jim's patience before he turns in for the night. Jim wants to see Pro. wrestling and not aggressive

tumbling he tries to rationalize it but Jim has had enough and all that he could say during the review is I can't explain it and I can't contain it

this should barely qualifies as sports entertainment I can't explain it and I can't contain it Oh, the fuck, the fuck, the fuck. Just gonna have to review this show tomorrow. Although the pain will last a long, long time. We'll have a good podcast, Brian D.

Later on, we'll do a segment on the rainies they cry. I can't explain it. And I can't contain it. Sports in it. I can't explain watching. Well, there it is. Rocky the Ramon, the return of Rocky the Ramon. We're playing this off.

I guess nothing else going to happen. I'm going to stop it there. I can't explain it. I can't explain it. All right. Well, the pointer sister's called. They said, get out of showbiz. Thank you, Rocky.

And, of course, you can send your songs corny dry-through at gmail.com. We have some more here today, Jim. This one was sent by Aaron D. Donato. He has sent in great songs in the past. Let's check this one out right here. Aaron D. Donato, a.k.a. Captain Corum from Wilmington, Delaware.

Corny. Oh, sugar, sugar. Oh, please let me go now. You are popping my blood vessel. Oh, sugar, sugar. Oh, please let me go now. you are popping my blood vessels I was just a mark at the Irish McNeil Boys Club

I was a mark at the club Cowboy sugared me and I did not know where I was I did not know where I was Oh, Corny Ah sugar sugar Don't please let me go now you are popping my blood vessels Oh, corny, oh sugar, sugar.

Oh, please let me go now. You are popping my blood vessels. It's a simple fucking hold that even corny nose, hold that even corny nose. Slips it on with one arm while he makes me pick my nose, while he makes me pick my nose. On him corny Crank it tight and squeeze

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. On him, baby. Crank it tight and squeeze. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm corny. Oh, sugar, sugar, please let me go now. You are vessels.

Corny, sugar, please let me go now. That was great. And there it is the Archies with Gordon Nelson singing. Sugar, sugar. What are your thoughts? Aaron D. Donato, Captain Quorum. Oh, Aaron D. Donato, the Captain Corum himself.

Slap a little sugar on it, baby. That's fucking great. I got tickled, but I didn't realize where he was going at first, and it took me a second to understand the lyrics and the chorus. Then once I did, I was like, oh, this all makes sense. Yeah, yeah. It started when you got in it that way. At first I was thinking, sugar, sugar, but then, honey, honey.

All right. Thank you once again, Aaron D. Donato. Another home run there. And finally, Jim, we have some songs that have been sent in. Actually, let's see what this one is. I was going to go to someone else, but I just noticed this. Uh-oh. This is a song sent in by Steve Ibarra.

Steve from Sacramento, why don't we just go with that? Here is a song. He grew up on his street called Tallyho Drive. All right, we're going to give you a song a chance. here is Steve Tony you won the booking prize

you thought it meant you were a genius so it's no surprise and I heard that it's your special place where boys and girls can all play wrestling every single day you do too many things manage full MFC

data analyses Jacksonville football team must make Dave Meltzer proud It's gonna cause a scene Media scrums are great But we just want to scream Oh look what

You've done after six fucking years With unlimited funds Oh Tony Whoa this really sucks With no faces or heels Moxley and the Bucks We're begging

Sleep Tony This is the fake Tony con. Please don't keep on booking. Please ring out your brain. You're so crazy looking. Go to sleep, Tony con. Sleep Tony con. Sleep Tony come.

Sleep Tony come. This is the fade out, guys. I'm recording this in my car, so. Yeah. Well, there it is. Sleep Tony con. Move over. Papel Rhone, there it is.

You know, what I was, what I was going to say was I thought the lyrics, he has more of a future as a lyricist, possibly, than a musician, but it was in a car. Well, a very, very good submission there. Thank you, Steve in Sacramento, and finally, Jim, and send it again more songs when you're not in your car. But Jim, let's go to... Jim, let's go to...

Jim one from your motorcycle. Someone who has sent in songs of the past, it's always a unique experience. Oh, boy, he sent in a few here. let's go to Stefan of Auburn, Maine, not in Auburn, Maine, of Auburn. Of Auburn, he's Stephen of Auburn. He has a few songs here. Let's see if we can get through any of them. We hope you've enjoyed this late for a day, spectacular.

We've got to get a new closing theme. We got to get a new closing theme. Okay. We have to get a spiffy theme song written for the drive-through to begin with. What do you envision for this spiffy theme song? Lyric-wise or music-wise? What about one of these 60s, like the Sherwood-Schwart's comedies, where the theme song explains the premise of the show, like Gilligan's Island?

You'll play a new theme with your organ, an organ tune to begin, that dried through Ferrisacht. You'll play, afterwards your Columbus sometimes causing Jim to cuss

but now as Cooper once filled air Then Brian said I've had French toast epiphany Jim said Let's try my Suggestions to fulfill some

songs an intro An outro Let the cult give it go The drive-thru's got some The experience Who was busy With three boys It lays out the whole premise

We need to have one of those All right It'll be good Because then we would understand What the premise is The drive through our host With that star corny That's me

They plowed through submissions of plenty And many The York songs When man Hank can sustained a decent spot for

a parody jingle he got over and many more would join the throng when Brian said I've had French toast epipony Jim said

Let's try mine Suggestions to fulfill some songs, an intro and an outro Let the call give it to go The drive-through's got some Nixperia You'll play this new theme with your organ, an organ tune to begin, The drive-thru's very start.

You'll play afterwards your calimbus, sometimes causing Jim to fuss, When Alice Cooper once filled air, Then Brian said, I've had French toast epiphany. Jim said, let's try my suggestions to fulfill some songs, an intro, and an outro. Let the cult give it the go. The dry food's got some. The experience. We'll talk about this on here.

This is one of our off-air talks, but other people are starting to send in submissions for possible music. So maybe this could be something to have fun with. I'm trying to find one right here because if you came in, and people said, hey, I have an idea for the music. When Brian said... All right, we're going to call it there. How long is that song? It looks like from here it goes another three minutes or so.

Oh, are you... And I know the real song, Breakfast at Tiffany's, it doesn't go six minutes, so I don't know what the hell's going on here. That's what I was asking you is, just Breakfast at Tiffany's? Do they have a disco single? French toast epiphany. There was some wonderful plays on words there, but I'm not sure we need in a godda da Vida

to get in and out of the goddamn, you know, the show. Did it bing, da bing, you know, whatever. Shouldn't I say I had a French toast epiphany, not, I had French toast epiphany. It doesn't even... No, I thought it was French toast epiphanies where you had one every day. All right, well, that's, uh, one last song here.

From Stefan of Auburn, Maine. Because it looks like he sent it at Christmas while. He sent it four more songs. Which one of these? Wait a minute, then give somebody else a chance. This, all right. Well, this one, this one is from Halloween. We can give it a chance.

This was sent in by Lex Icon, aka Benjamin. He was trained by one of Jim's OVW guys, Seth Skyfire. And he's the commissioner for Orange County Championship Wrestling. Here's his song from Halloween. Jesus. Wednesday night, and the match was bad, but they felt all right, because trading chops and forearms for days of on days, they were certain to earn the observer's praise. And that's a match. And that's a Mel's a match.

A Melter match. And it's a four-star match. And that's a match. Though it won't make a slash. It's still a match. It's still a Melter match. Now watching A.E.W. makes me feel like the. watching a wrestling blooper reel.

Another match came on that was only so-so, but I could tell because it featured Kenny O. That it's a match. That it's a moater match. A milter match. And it's a five-star smash. That it's a match. It's like seeing college match.

Watching that match. Watching a match. The crowd wasn't having fun. They didn't care who lost or what. The only two who like this for Uncle Dave and Chad Consolid. From pocket and oblata to the riders of death could only be booked by someone on net. I think someone just makes me wish on the whiskey and cater versus Bradshaw and Trish. You know that's a match.

Is that an elzer match? A melter match. Maybe a six-star smash? No, that's a match. You know that's father's ass It's not a match It's not a Mel to match From Louis, North Kentucky

Oh boy's did hello A left and right turn signal Kind of fellow He saw all these douchebags Running a puck It said AEW What the fuck Well it's a match

Well it's a Mel to match A Melter match And it's a 12 star smash Well it's a match It won't draw any cat But it's a match. But it's an old to match. Now everything's great, that's what Tony will claim.

And the wrestling observer will report just the same. Because there's actual great wrestling right out there to view. But back in the archives and say, next I can send you. Enjoy a match. Enjoy a classic match. From the great American batch. Enjoy a match. Forget the star ratings try.

Enjoy a match. Enjoy a match. Classic match. Easy, Brian. Someone just turned on collision. Hmm. All right, I figure out he's playing us out now, so... That was great.

There we go, the Meltzer Man. Lex Icon, thank you very much for setting that in. You know what? The vocals got me. Yeah. His vocals are good, but then just a second, The Meltzer Man. It was so perfectly twerpy.

Perfect. Great job. We love our listeners. Thank you. Send in your parody songs or original songs. No AI nonsense. Corny drive-thru at gmail.com. But Jim, like I said before, with that, that pick up Brian's Columba, the drive-thru is closed. Go through the archives, patreon.com slash cornet. $5 a month gets you access to the archive going back to 2013. Patreon.com slash cornet. The official Jim Cornyette YouTube channel, go and subscribe. today, full episodes, Clips City episodes, omnibus collection, that George Livonitis artwork that becomes more popular by the day, the official Jim Cornett YouTube channel. Cornets collectibles at Jimcornett.com.

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