Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 426

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim talks about his problems with Kroger, not watching Raw, Roman Reigns getting another title run, Wrestlemania 12's Iron Man match, retro wrestling figures, managers, and much more! Plus Jim plays Guess The Program, and the Jim's Comics Corner looks at comic book prices then vs. now! Also, part two of Jim's look at the Dallas wrestling war! Thanks to our episode sponsors: RIDGE WALLET:  Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code JCE at Ridge.com/JCE #Ridgepod FACTOR:  Head to factormeals.com/JCE50OFF and use code JCE50OFF to get 50% off your first Factor box PLUS free breakfast for 1 year. SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Your laughing is getting too loud. It's distracting me from the beautiful music. Hello again, friends. And you are, our friends, and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through right here on another sunny day. It is 2026, and we've got wrestling talk for you. We may focus on the history aspect because the modern stuff is just not delivering. I'm your host, The Great Brian Last, and here he is, the star of the show, the leader of the cult of Cornette, Mr. Jim Cornett.

Yeah, now you try to butter me up. First of all, as far as bringing home the bacon or carrying the mail or delivering or handing over, or your money or your life or whatever analogy you just made there about how the modern stuff

and just ain't getting it. Ain't getting it, Slick. But that theme, Brian, just sounded like, was that the theme song or the backing music of a video of a cat chase and a rat through a maze, it was all over the,

but you just lost your mind there. You know, for once you're right, I didn't have it today. As opposed to the days when you do, what do you have? Where it makes millions of people happy all over the world. Yeah, when you quit, as Mama Cornett used to say,

yeah, why don't you go bang your head against a tree because it'll feel good when you stop. This is the sound of the sound of, the future. Maybe not today, but most other weeks. Most other weeks. Oh, you've taken away my will to live then if that's the sound of the future. Stop it. It's going to be a good future, a bright future. And oh, chef in the future, Kenit Corey Apple. For all of the classic television folks out there, you sent me an article here to the day. Let's start with some happy talk. Let's start with some, there's so much misery and

and just misery in the world. Let's start with some happy things, some exciting things, and something that makes me think of my dear Mama Cornette. All at the same time, you sent me an article, and I'm trying to figure out what thing I've got to click on without hanging up on you to pull it up.

The other day, you stude you, you sent me an article because we just talked about the selling Superman, a miniseries documentary series that was on the streaming folks and how that they got like what was it was it nine million dollars for the Superman number one

that they auctioned off from this lunatic in Michigan's collection where he had accumulated 300,000 comic books and it was a dark family secret and everything I shouldn't say he was so lunatic He was a very, he was a very penurious lunatic. He compiled a massively

multimillion dollar collection. I don't know if those are the same collections. I think the Superman, we heard about a few weeks back that was sold is separate because that was 9.0. The one they had was 7.0, yeah. No, that's what, they didn't have an action one here.

See, you sent me the article on the action one. I said, we just talked about the Superman one. See, you're cross-pollinating my conversation. already. I just don't have it today, Brian. I'm so sorry. God damn it. I remember when you had it. And then you lost it. That is mine and Stacey's favorite sound effect. We'll do that. When something is disappointing in any kind of way, you know, or a letdown, we'll just turn to each other going the point is we had just talked recently about this Superman number one from the guy in Michigan they sold it at auction for nine million dollars and then you sent me this article

and the action comics number one that folks may remember it made the news when it was recovered a few years ago because it had been stolen like 20 years ago or more from Nicholas Cage's home. He was a big comic book collector. And then he got in a lot of financial trouble. I thought, oh, yeah, wink, wink. It got stolen from his home. He probably had some kind of tax issue going on.

But they found it in a storage unit. Somewhere in California, one of those, like a real-life storage war things, or what is it where they bid on? the storage unit storage wars? Yeah, I think that is it. Yeah. So if you knew you had an auction number one,

whether it was stolen or not in a storage unit, unless you fell in the ocean, when you keep paying the bill, nevertheless, they found it in this thing and returned it to Nicholas Cage, and then he sold it for whatever the fuck, you know, years ago. But it's the same one. And now the deal that was done through,

Metropolis Collectibles, it was a private deal, $15 million for Action Comics number one. There's a hundred copies, they keep using the term, 100 copies are known to exist. A hundred copies have been graded and slabbed by the CGC or GGC or GG. Allen, whoever is doing the grading, I'm sure there's probably still some collector that got at one in the 70s or 80s or whatever. We're going to tell a story here in a second.

It's probably never wanted to do that because he's like you and me and he just got his shit put away. But there's not many. But this is apparently the best one, a 9.0. and God damn it looks beautiful but $15 million $1 million, Brian yeah? Was that a question

Jim? Yes, that was that was a declarative statement meant for you then to come clean was it you? Was it you all the long? It was not me no no no. If I had a billion dollars I would be okay with spending that amount of money for multiple comics but you know like I said before it's the reason I never really got into buying the original books,

and I just go for collections where I get the stories, it got too expensive too quickly. You know, when I was collecting in the early 90s, it was already expensive. Back in the old days, yeah, back in the old day. Well, here, let me, I got to bring some people up to date and then I have something I want to spring on you here. But many people know the story,

and you've heard the story because you've been around me for a long time, but for the young folks out there, it's been a while since I told it. So just to set everybody up to where I'm going next, Mama Cornett, and I know a lot of people, oh, God, he must have been a spoiled, rotten child. She probably got him everything, and he had fucking chocolate fondue fountains for breakfast or whatever the fuck.

She was both generous and cheap at the same time. My mother would not spend money willing to, nilly without some thought in any appreciable amount. And like when I've got my first car, it wasn't like, oh, Jimmy, go down and pick you a sports car. You got a five-year-old Pontiac firebird when you hit

a fire of fucking pothole, the air conditioning would turn off. But it looked fancy when we got it painted. But point being, she encouraged my comic book collecting, not only, not just comic books, but

all the books that I have. And I was reading, my father started that, getting to read. And that paid off in making me the, the literate and articulate young fellow that I am today. And she encouraged the photography because I did after, at some point, show some level of potential for it or whatever it is,

starting to make money, right? So that wasn't, so she would support positive things in that. respect. But the one thing, Brian, that I couldn't get her to do was buy me that copy of action comics number one in the catalog of a guy named Howard Rogofsky. And do you remember that name, Brian? Have we talked about this in ages and ages? Even though I had a lot of books when I was a kid, it wasn't a name that I got to know actually. I knew it from wrestling before I knew it from comic books. And then it was like, oh yeah, that's the guy. But it was actually wrestling where I first

found that. That was the fucking thing, is that I knew it from comic books and it found out he was in wrestling. Because in 1970, 71, 72, 73, like I've said, many times here on the show, there weren't really, there weren't comic book shops.

You might find a bookstore downtown and a dingy side street that had back-issue comic books, but if you really wanted to buy anything you know appreciably difficult find you had to do it through the mail mail order for the Passaic

book center and this fucking company and that fucking and Howard Rogovsky in New York right and I got his catalog and the way he did it imagine he took like 10 pages of copy paper but he did it in a typewriter in like almost observer

size print sideways so that he could staple it in the middle and fold it over and it was a booklet. And he didn't just have comic book back issues. He had pulp magazines or big little books or old newspaper

of funny pages, you know, as they used to call them, the Sunday comics, the color Sunday sections, anything related to paper. I mean, it was just random shit. He had amazing rare shit and then haven't unpacked this yet box of 30 comics from

the 50s, you know, $25, whatever. It just, it was all over the place. But there, and I got stuff from him like back issue Silver Age Marvels, which at the time were five years old or whatever. But

in one of them was the action comics number one. And it was $400. $400 for action com again, 1971. Did it say anything about condition? Was that a thing back then? Well, yes, and I'm going to tell you in a minute, but I don't even remember what condition it said.

I was just enthralled 1938 first Superman. I'm like, and of course I go to my mom. You know, like, and it was 400. What is for if you, while I'm nattering on, please figure out what $400 in 1971 is today. Anyway, and it's again, you know, 1971 and I'm 10 years old maybe, depending on what part of the year it was,

and she's like, no, we can't, we can't do that. How about it is the first Superman? It's 1983, is 33 whole years ago. It'd be like now buying some from 1993. And so no, right? And there's two parts to the finish of this story. Number one, that's where I've told a story before that as I started to get older and then when I started getting the Overstreet Price Guide every year and seeing the

appreciation. And even when I moved away, I was working for Crockett, whatever, in the New York, I would call her every time I got the new Overstreet. and when she'd say hello, I would say like $185,000 and she'd know what I was talking about when the value of the book passed the value of the house she was living in,

it was especially a consternation to her, right? But the point being, years later, this is 20 years ago or whatever, but when the fan fest started becoming a thing, I was at a fan fest and there was, I can't remember where it was or whatever, but I was just so shocked because Jimmy Valia was there, and I've known Handsome since the 70s,

and we were talking, and oh, here's Howard. Hey, Howard, how are you? And Howard was his agent. It booked him there and was helping with the autographs or whatever. And I can't even remember how the name came up. But, and I, I just remember going like, you can't be the Howard Rogovsky. And then I fanboyed all over him

because you had the action comics number one. This is incredible. And he said, oh yeah, I can't even. He said, you know, it was like an average book, but he had it at one time and can't remember, you know, who exactly bought it or whatever. but he gave me, I think I still had some, but he gave me a couple of his old vintage catalogs.

But it was it, but the point is, my worlds collided there. I was more shocked to meet Howard Rogovsky at a wrestling convention and he was agenting or booking several of the boys at that point. I haven't seen or heard of him in ages, hope he's well. Somebody now's going to write,

Oh, no, he's fucking dead. I thought he died, yeah. Well, there you go. See, he's poor Howard. If he only got that $400 from Mama Corny, and he could have afforded the medicine that would have saved his life. That's a fall from grace.

I had Action Comics number one, and now how'd you like to book the Boogie Wogie Man to your local high school? Oh, come on now. Oh, mercy! Messy! $400. Woo, messy, babe.

Hey, but... Before you go any forward, $400 in 1971? Yes. In 26, it's only $3,179. So to put it more in perspective before anybody really knew that comic book collecting was a thing that was going to become a thing and that these things were going to have legitimate value in the finance world, much less collecting, I was asking her to spend $3,700 on a comic book, a 37-year-old comic book for a 10-year-old kid.

So I can see where it didn't pan out. But as I was looking at that article, Brian, I went over to the shelf, over in the vault, and I got, the Overstreet Price Guide has come to be generally the Bible of comic book collecting every year when it comes out that's what it's it's it's a phone book now right have you seen them lately they're just they're incredible just i mean like thousands of pages whatever the fuck you can literally commit aggravated mayhem by hitting somebody with one but i hold in my hand the overstreet comic book price guide first edition from 1970 it went for five dollars And I'd tell you how many pages that are, oh, yeah, 225 pages.

Where'd you buy it? I got it through the mail in 1970. $5 seems like a lot for 1970. Well, you've just, because it was self-published. This wasn't like this was a goddamn legitimate publication. This was, and he had the guy, the back cover was Robert Bell, the guy who first made money selling comic book bags before they had boards, they had bags.

And they had several people, and as Howard Raghavsky, Post Office Box 1102, Linden Hill Station, Flushing, New York, had movie and cereal items for sale. I mean, he had advertising from these major dealers that sold shit mail order and then he published this thing himself based on

the prices that they were charging people in their stores and that's how it got started. Hey, here's a question for you. If Mama Cornett had purchased Action Comics number one for you in 1971, A, do you think you'd still have it? And B, if you sold it before this point, when do you think you would have sold it? if I had had something that valuable,

then I am afraid. I am highly afraid that I would have been out of my mind enough to sell it during the Smoggy Mount Wrestling Days. Because that's actually, I did sell a couple of golden age books and some various things that I didn't really have. Yeah, I couldn't ever put together a run of. I had that didn't go with anything else

in to collect just nice pieces on their own, but not like I'm breaking up a set of China. And I'm afraid if I, otherwise, I don't know. I mean, I sold the Amazing Fantasy 15 because that was a lot of money to have tied up in a book. What year? What year? What year did you just saw?

What was it, 2018? 20, oh, that was. recently, okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's, I turned it into my front fence and various stonework and etc. Because that's always the thing. Once you see like an article come out like this comic book has been found and sold for a million dollars, at a certain point, was that like the trigger like, oh, I should sell this? Or do you realize, well, if it's that now, and another five years, it'll be even more? That's what I was going to say. And I know that the Amazing Fantasy 15 is appreciated significantly since then.

And you know what? Maybe in hindsight, how would it just goddamn broke down and paid for it, and paid for the feds rather than blah, blah, blah. But if I had something of that nature, I think I would almost have to keep it as my, this is my get out of jail free card. No matter what else happens with the economy,

the stock market, of plane crashes on my house. If the situation ever gets dire to where I am completely with no options, I've got a million fucking dollars. That kind of thing. It's one of those things no one will believe you. Guy has you tied to a chair, gun to your head.

All right, where's the money? I don't have the money, but in the other room. Yeah, yeah. I have amazing fans. I have all these comics. They wouldn't believe you. But would you like to know this is what I was going to ask you a second ago.

Would you like to know what the guidebook said that Action Comics number one that just sold for $15 million was worth in 1970 in the infancy of the comic book collecting genre? Yeah, and right before you tried to get your mom to buy that comic book, so the timing is interesting. Can you give us that one and also Detective, like the Batman, early Batman? Hold on. Yes, hold on.

Action Comics number one and I've mentioned this before that in the early days the conditions that were listed in the guidebook were good, fine, and mint because that was like

you know, the standard before everybody got the point grading system and before everybody got near mint and very fine minus and whatever the fuck it was good fine mint because it was just like here it is and it was a one two three split if that which is insane now when the when in today's market the high grade collectibles are worth multiple times what the just really nice ones are but action one good 200 fine 250 mint

$300. Like you could just find a mint fucking action comics number one anyway especially after the paper drives during World War II. And it's less than a year later or a year later Rogovsky has it for 400. So he's even over their mint price. Yes, well, because he's a fucking dealer.

And he's going to try to get whatever he can get. And a lot of the, you know, see, a lot of the secondhand book shops at that time hadn't caught up yet and they knew they were worth something, but they would underpriced, whereas the mail order dealers that you really had to go to to get the interesting shit would overpriced, so you could still get deals.

Having said that, you asked about Detective Comics number 27, which was the first appearance of Batman, and was always the number two book when I was collecting and for years, it was Action 1 and Detective 27, neck and neck, because they were seen as the two most important golden age books. Detective Comics 27, First Batman, good, 175, fine 225, mint 275.

So they had to, he dropped it down $25, right? But Superman, hold on, I got a, I don't want to break. Yeah, what about Superman 1 and Batman 1? Well, exactly. Because Superman 1 is what the selling Superman was about and just sold for the $9 million. Superman number one, summer 1939, number one is the first four action stories were reprinted. So the origin of Superman and the first four Superman stories. Good 150, find 200, mint, 250.

And what you could allegedly, if you could find one, which there still is no legitimate mint, a copy of any of these books. Now, a 9.0 today may have passed for a mint of that point in time, but legitimately what you could then allegedly buy for $250, 55 years later,

is worth $9 million. And then hold on here. 9.0 is as good as 4.5 stars or 4 and 3 quarter stars, just as good as 5 stars. What are we arguing about? Yeah. What do we, hey, you go to a comic convention

or watch somebody arguing about a fucking half a point fucking difference in condition and a golden age book between the dealer and the collector there'd be some goddamn fist of cuffs. But let's bring the Silver Age into this, because a lot of people, a lot of the people

are familiar with the Amazing Fantasy 15 that I just mentioned here not long ago. The first Spider-Man. And Amazing Fantasy was a Marvel title that they were going to discontinue. that is amazing fantasy I think with issue seven because I've got a few of these

it was one of their horror books pre-superhero tales to astonish tales of suspense amazing fantasy it had transitioned to amazing adult fantasy for a couple of issues

and they were going to can it and that's when they put the first Spider-Man story in just because well let's see if this fucking clicks and that was the last Amazing Fantasy issue was 15. And then they started Spider-Man in his own fucking book. So point being, Amazing Fantasy 15 in 1970.

Good, $12, fine, $14, and meant $16. Wow. And my mom got mine in 1973 for 25, and it was, it was a fine. Hey, two clear questions, and then we'll get to some wrestling stuff, and apologies to any listeners not into this. But was action comics number one

the most expensive comic in there? And second question is, was there anything in there for Captain Marvel, the original, not the Marvel version, but, you know, Shazam? Yes. Yes. And, and by the way, fuck anybody who doesn't like it. This is not, if you don't like,

money much less than just because it's it's comic books but we're talking about millions dollars because the amazing fantasy 15 i think it set the record for a silver age book that wasn't it three million dollars or a couple million dollars for a one that was much higher grade than you know anything that you would normally find here but the point is this this collecting and the value of these things as these characters and the the cognizance of them or the magnitude of them around the world has exploded, this shit is worth more than anything you could have bought. Think about what, Brian, tell me, I'm going to look up Captain Marvel,

but tell me what you could have bought for these prices in 1970, and had the foresight that is worth more than these fucking comic books. The only thing I could think of off the top of my head, if I'd gone back in time and bought several unopened boxes of Topps baseball cards, I may have hit big. In the late 60s, no one Ryan rookie card, Tom Seva rookie card, go back a little further than Mickey Mantle. Millions? Millions? Mickey Mantle? What did it just sell for?

Like $12? Well, Mickey Mantle, I can believe. You mentioned people that were alive when I was alive, so they can't be worth a million. Well, the Mickey Mantle rookie card certainly is. Yes, I got you there. And by the way, Captain Marvel issue number one, and for a period of time in the 40s, Captain Marvel, the Shazam version, and the Marvel family, Mary Marvel and Captain Marvel Jr., the whole nine yards,

they were outselling Superman. They started issuing a new Captain Marvel issue like every three weeks. They said that's why D.C. went after them. because there were plenty of Superman imposter's out there but that was the one that was actually doing that. That was the one that hit. But now no Captain what? Marvel number one

good 60, fine, 85 meant 110. Huh, wow. So almost half of what the other books were talking about. And now and I mean it's it's now a multiple thousand dollar book but no the whole faucet publications they haven't done movies really, there was that whole interruption

and of decades, they're not hot. But the books that were almost as valuable at this point in time as the Golden Age DCs were EC comics from the 50s. And I'm just going to hold on. Because that's what all of the, all of the people who had grown up

in the previous 20 years and now had money were buying their shit back. vault of horror those are the comics that literally changed the industry because all of a sudden no one was allowed to do anything like it ever again yeah vault of horror number 12 in mint was already

$30 a tenth of what actually comics number one was that would equate to in today's scale uh god damn i can't do math that bit like $1.5 million for a mint copy of that book but see that's what everybody was into at that point in time. So that was the...

And I mean, here, hold on, one more time. Yeah, and I've got a question for you, too. The poor Fantastic Four... That's what I was going to ask you. How did Spider-Man compare to Fantastic Four on Hulk? I'm going to see... Because Fantastic Four, again, that was the Marvel comic that you wanted. If you could find a Fantastic Four, number one, in any kind of condition.

Yeah, number one, good 20, fine, 25, Mint, 30. twice as much as Amazing Fantasy 15. The Fad, number two was $20 in Mint, because that's what everybody wanted. Fantastic Four were the goddamn, they were the shit in Marvel Comics at that point in time. Spider-Man was in second place. Then maybe Hulk, the first six Hulk's from 1962,

because it was a very short series and very early on, they were probably the most valuable after that, and then you got into the Avengers and Thor. Wow. Your question you had for me. Well, that was kind of my question. That was it? Just how Fantastic Four number one would compare to Amazing Fantasy or Hulk?

Yeah. No, it, they, the Fantastic Four would set you back now, and people would fight over those two. But no, I mean, this, again, it's, it was insane. And I'll look up one more and then we'll quit. Well, you got to look for one for me, too.

Just curious of any Marvel, stuff or, you know, timely from the war, any of the Captain America original stuff? Well, hold on. See that. You asked if anything was no action one was the most valuable comic in this guidebook. But Marvel Mystery, the first issue which had the human torts, the origins and the first appearances, obviously, of Human Torch Submariner, Khazar, Khazar, who didn't quite make it.

Good 165, find 200, and meant 250. Wow, there you go. Because that was the book you wanted if you were a golden age timely, later to become Marvel collector, that's the one you wanted. And then the run with Human Torch and Submariner and the fucking three-part battle

was up still in three figures. Those early, all of the top ten of those early issues were $100 or more in Mint. And then it would go down from there in the Submariners individual. I had a Submariter four one time, I'll have you know. Looked like a kid had used it to swat flies on the back porch. But your Submariners and Captain Americas, et cetera, would go down from there. But that was before they knew that there was a whole, controversy on was Marvel mystery number one, the actual number one? No, it was number two because

there were these, the, the pre-printing or Ashcan edition that had confused the issue and blah, blah, blah. But that was the most valuable Marvel comic in the world at that point in time. When you first saw, Mystery number one, when you first saw Star Trek as a kid, did you think Mr. Spock looked suspiciously similar to the Submariner? No, because it was the other way around, because think about this. Star Trek came on air in 1966. I was reading Casper and fucking, you know, Harvey Comics, right? I'm a little, I'm a baby Huey and a little lotter and the Disney stuff, right?

And then it was in Christmas of 67. that I went to Aunt Lola's and I was bored and they found me the box of Larry and Richards funny books in the basement. And there was early Fantastic Four and X-Men and Spider-Man and all these late-50s D.C.s and early 60s superhero marvels, and I just fell in love with them

and paid them my weekly allowance for the box. so I could bring it home, 50 cents. And the journey in the mystery 83, I just sold in like 20 fucking 19. Because it was in there as a part of the other 200 books I got for 50 fucking cents. Hey, one last thing about the 1970 price guide. How much was X-Men number one? Because this is before giant-sized X-Men number one, and kind of the revitalization or made them bigger than ever, actually.

Hold on. Well, we actually haven't mentioned X-Men. and I'll tell you why in a second, I liked the early X-Men. Yeah, me too. But not a lot of other people did. Hold on. Well, wait a minute. X, Y, Z, is that still the order that it comes in?

That is, yeah. I'm trying not to break this spine, and it's at the back, so don't laugh at me. But X-Men, issue number one, good $4, fine, $5 meant $6. Wow. Wow. Because think about this. Do you know what, when this was published, the highest number issue that they list is issue number 40.

And you know what the price is on that is? Issues number 13 through 40 of X-Men, good 35 cents. Oh my God, wow. Fine 50 cents meant 65 cents. man you could get as a matter of well look at this x-men six through ten are you familiar with the very early x-men six through ten good 75 cents fine one dollar meant a dollar 25 at the time this they were only six years old at the time this was and it was it was almost

like a dead comic no one thought about the x-men they were No, they even, they went by, by what was it, late 60s, early 70s, not talking about the, I'm talking about the issue number, issue number 60 something, 70 something, whatever, they went into reprints for ages because it just wasn't happening. But now, I loved the, like from X-Men up until about 25 or 30 or whatever, it was, you know, it was great, just excellent. but nobody in those days collected the poor beleaguered X-Men. Hey, one last one.

How much is Archie Comics number one? Oh, hold on. Because that's like a different world and a different market altogether. Well, and here's the, shit, I don't have the current, I have last years. I was talking about the 1970 book. No, listen to me. I have last year's Overstreet. I would say, but I don't have it in front of me.

I would compare because I don't have any idea. what it would be right now. But in this book, in 1970, Archie number one, good $6, fine, $8, and meant $10. Wow. But that, again,

I bet you X-Men number one would probably outperform Archie number one now, even though there's 20 years difference in their ages. I did, kids, is there anything, look up Archie Comics number one. Is there any way to just look that up on the Google machine and see how much they would want for that now?

Poor Archie just ain't, he's not goddamn, gotten a lot of attention in recent years. And by the way, just while I'm here, we're just nerding the fuck out, aren't we? Apparently Archie number one was sold for $167,300. Okay, so Archie's, still getting some respect, but he's not up into millions. And actually, I don't know what... According to this, if it was near Mint, it would be worth 425,000, which is 9.4. Ah, well, still.

You would still have had to pick your fucking spots. You ever see those photos? Sometimes there's a kid in it. Sometimes it's literally just a newsstand from like, you know, whatever, 1941. And you see every publication out there, every comic, even the magazines. and it just makes your mouth water, just the idea that all of these were being delivered and they were just sitting there.

And rather a mint copy, for those of you comic collectors interested, a mint copy of Tales of Suspense number 39, the first appearance of Iron Man, would run you $6. I think that's going to be one of the next Marvel comics that closes in on a million if it hadn't already. So $6 for, there you go.

All right, well, this has been the Comics Corner. And of course, we're talking about comic book superheroes that were early heroes of Jim Cornett, but other heroes were also as friends. And on that topic, let's talk about Cornett's collectibles. Well, that's right, because I have a book on those heroes and friends, and it is available at Jim Cornett.com. and now that the new year has come

and the holidays have passed and me and the Feather Bottom family are up to date on fulfilling all of the fulfillingness. So if you would like the first finale of your fulfillingness, you can order with impunity that your stuff will be signed, turned around, and shipped.

The ship will be shipped to you promptly at Jimcornet.com. And exciting things. Exciting things. are being planned for 2000. What year is this now? 2026. That's right.

Where we're going to have a bunch of different stuff on sale than any kind of the stuff that we've had before. Instead of doing the same stuff, now we're going to have different stuff. It's going to be very exciting. Very exciting. At Jim Cornett.com. That's the place. Jim, let's get to some questions before we get going with a lot of other things here

today. And this kind of falls up on something a lot of listeners I've been asking about the last day or so, but I'll ask this question and we'll see what this triggers. This was sent... Is this a trigger warning for me? What's going to happen to me? This was sent via the Culta Cornyett Facebook group by Brian Shannon.

Off-topic question. Kroger now appears to be carrying a boxed version of Emo's Pizza. Has Jim tried it yet? And if so, comparison to the original... So I'll ask you that, and then everyone wants to know what's going on with you and Kroger. Well, that's the thing you just did. Now Kroger is trying to woo me back already. They've got me, try to get me with the Emo's pizza for fuck's sake.

And I, you know what I've done, Brian, is I've gotten popular enough. Actually, I've just gotten retweeted enough and or the little hearted enough on the Twitter machine that it's triggering all kinds of things. and now these two worlds are colliding. To the day, I wanted to go to the grocery store and for people who have said, oh, you ought to have your shit delivered. I don't want people to pick out my meat. I don't want them to choose how my deli meat is sliced,

the thickness for my sandwiches, or my various cuts of fine beef and pork and chicken and whatever the fuck it is. I don't want people to smush my bread. Don't you hate it when people smush your bread, Brian? You can have canned goods and bulk shit and stuff like that, and that's wonderful. And we do that from the bulk buying establishment.

But I want to go pick out the shit that I'm picky about eating. I don't mind going there and doing that if the transaction is as pleasurable as it can be under the, circumstances. But what the problem is with me and Kroger is because how do you feel about the U-scans?

Brian, now the run is subject. I'm just going to go ahead and just come out with this. How do you feel about the U-S scans? Not a fan, because although it's supposed to save time and be convenient, I've never seen

a U-Scan section where there didn't have to be someone hovering over at the fixed problems that constantly arise. There you have it. and that's why I was going to say that I've gotten to the point where I've triggered the bots now that are just going to disagree with me

because I vented my frustration at Kroger the other day, which by the way, I've sworn them off. I've just sworn them off now they get the Emo's pizza. Probably not in my neighborhood, who knows. But it doesn't need to be that way, but it is. And I tweeted that I was done with these people because they're fucking you scan, while they're paying people to stand there and stare at us,

try to figure it out, et cetera. And, of course, a bunch of people with righteous indignation and say yes, and start listing all the problems. But then I have accounts that don't follow me. I don't know how they got this information, but now they are disagreeing with me. You're right, but they all say the same thing. And you're a boomer.

And you can't figure it out. and I think it's at some point you trigger something when it's any sentiment of yours I could say god damn it I hate it this nuclear fallout this radioactive fallout that's come from that nuclear explosion I hate it that it's melting all the neighbors and somebody would say me god damn it at least you'll glow in the dark you don't have to plug in a nightlight see that's just they pop out of so so anyway so I know I've hit something here that affects a lot of people it's not that we can't figure out the task of okay take the goddamn gimmick slide the barcode across the thing bleep and it it scans it that's the at the root of

the thing the way this thing's supposed to go but number one it's like all this other technology it don't fucking work and they talk about all the boomers came they well I got news for you children out there. You don't know what the fuck to do without a goddamn cell phone. So it's the same goddamn thing. You're completely lost in how to live your life. But I can interact with people in the purchase of my goods. I go to the store in the morning because I don't want to be there when it's all fucking crowded because it even gets worse.

But I'm not talking about 6 o'clock in the morning. 10 o'clock in the morning, you should. have more than one lane open when somebody, and I didn't even have as much as usual, but when somebody's got an entire basket load of groceries, because it is a grocery store, it's not a convenience store, it's not a place you go in to pick up a couple of items. You're feeding a goddamn some element of a fucking family, whether it be just some guy and his wife or goddamn Mormons with some, six wives and 18 kids.

I don't know what fuck's going on around here. But people get a lot of shit. And there's only one human being with one checkout lane and the fucking carts are backed up at 10 o'clock in the morning. So I'm trying to go through the fucking U-Scan. Even though I've in the past done everything I could to avoid it for these reasons. First of all, whatever it goddamn picks up

the goddamn Kroger card, which takes a minute on my key, chain. And then I get that. And then you start scanning things, but then you have to put them on this fucking round coffee table sized fucking apparatus in these flimsy, tiny plastic bags that you can't get fucking open. And if you don't goddamn put the item on the goddamn thing, then some way or another, it senses that you're trying to stick at your fucking crotch and make off with it and it fucking flummoxes the thing up. So you got to put all the shit in here somehow on this goddamn lazy Susan motherfucker.

It's about as big around as a goddamn, as the average fucking manhole cover while you're trying to find the barcodes in all the different places. Then I have to call the lady over because I've got onions. They ain't got no barcode. I just put them in the plastic bag. She's got to wave a card and hit a button and, oh, how many are there? So and so. Okay, how about these green peppers?

Oh, you got to weigh those. Put those on the thing. Okay, how the fuck am I supposed to know how to do this? Then I say thank you, and then I fucking get that shit. And then as I'm ringing up other shit, I got a goddamn, I ring something up and it says, help will be there. I said, I don't need any help.

But now you can't do anything else until help comes. And help come and she waves the card and hits the fucking buttons. I don't know why I needed help. And by now I've turned the milk over on my goddamn hamburger buns on this thing, trying to wedge everything in on this tiny fucking platform. And finally I get to the goddamn end of it. and it says and oh it froze up again before i because it froze up again as i was ringing my last item and she had to come over and turn it on again and that's good and i'm checking out and i'm using

my coupons because brian i play a game i get coupons in the mail from croger for the various items and i go and see how much i can fucking get back from these greedy bastards and sometimes with the Kroger card and or these coupons I'll take 50 or 60 bucks off the goddamn damn more when they have the buy to get to 12 packs of Sprite Zero, whatever and everything's working perfectly

and I get to the last goddamn coupon and as I scan it it says help will be on the way but now the help lady is gone And there's no way to go back or go forward or just say, never mind, I don't want to save the 75 cents, take this off. You can't do any goddamn thing until help arrives. And so I'm standing there looking around. I've gone through this whole fucking process for one goddamn bar scan. So basically, finally she comes around and I say, you know what?

if it's this difficult for me to give you this much money, apparently you guys aren't that interested in selling this stuff. So go ahead and keep it. Keep the coupons, keep to food, keep it all. I will go elsewhere. And I left them sitting there staring at it. And I went to Paul's Market, where they got human beings to greet you with a smile. I want to go through the fucking lane

and have the professional scan and weigh and ring up my shit while I'm putting it out of the goddamn cart and I will meet it at the other end where if there's not a bagging person I will bag it myself while cheerfully conversing with the fucking ringer-upper and if there is a bagging person I will oversee them while grabbing my chips and my goddamn bread so they don't get squashed.

And I put them in the baby seat. And then I thank everybody. And they thank me for my business, so I feel like I'm appreciated. And then they say, have a nice day. And I return to fucking platitude to them. And there's been a transaction.

I feel like I'm goddamn halfway stealing this shit anyway when I just fucking go do it myself and everybody's staring at you like you're trying to get away with something and the thing don't work so it's like you're all, what the fuck? It's stooge it on me. He's going to call the cops?

The cops will be here in a second. I figure it's the next screen I'm going to see. We saw you put that goddamn big pin in your pocket. It's my pen. I carried him from home. I've got a list. Fuck you. It's uncomfortable.

and it doesn't fucking work. What was the question? Well, in terms of efficiency, too, if the whole idea is we're going to save money and make things more efficient by having these things, you make things less efficient. There always has to be at least one person

monitoring the area because the machines never work the way they're supposed to. Even if you do everything exactly how they tell you to. Put the apples on the thing. You put them there. Please wait for someone. Why? They're there. You saw them. besides that

and it's what kind of are these fucking Martha Crisp apples or are these fucking Washington State stick them up

your anus apples probably honey crisp I don't fucking know I'm not a goddamn apple express that I may have known they were apples because it's signs

that apples just give me some fucking apples yeah create a few jobs so you have to go through that if the supermarket's going to go out of business

because five additional people were hired to be tellers. Not tellers, no, they won't tell you nothing. But you know what I mean? Cash years. Cash years. If you hire five people to be cashiers, you create five jobs. And it's a lot easier for everyone there. The lines will move quicker if there are lines.

Well, you know what since I tweeted at? Because I didn't know, I wasn't going to be negative at the top of the program and bringing that up. A lot of people have tweeted saying, please talk about, we want to hear you talk about this because we hate these some bitches also. but apparently now I got to that my displeasure with them has been publicized. One guy tweeted out, said that, well, I guess you wouldn't know, but in the Louisville area over the past year, it's been on the news, along with video footage, and this is not just like bullshit,

and there's been Kroger commenting and or closed the store for a day or so, but rodent infestation. People were seeing little hurry, scurry, furry things running around and they closed a section of one store while they went through the cleaning protocol and the health department had to get involved.

I think they closed another store for a day or whatever the fuck it was, but it was on a news several times. Somebody that tweeted me said, well, the stores ain't a problem, but the problem is the fucking warehouse has got the rats and they're shipping the rats out to the stores with the shit they ship from the

the shit they ship you know what I'm saying I don't just saying it's even more disgusting now yeah so so fuck it anyway fuck your you scan I'll buy my rodent meat elsewhere while you're getting this off your chest any final words for Kroger any other thoughts or suggestions you have for them yeah Hello me. It's ridiculous. There's all those lanes there that I remember. It used to be a nice shopping experience where you go in.

And as I said, you have the interaction with the people. And you just, you feel like you've gone and gotten your food. And it's, it's, you feel appreciated when you leave instead of trying to get away with something. But they've got like 12 or 15 fucking lanes that are never open. And in this you scan horse shit that doesn't work. And then they all all these stores with these use cans are complaining about theft. Well,

then have your people tell us what we owe you rather than us doing it ourselves. And maybe it would fucking work out better for everybody. Well, you know, Jim? Yes. When hearing this story of commerce gone wrong, it makes me think about how to fix this. It makes me think about who can jump in. and fix someone's business, their online presence, their online commerce, and so much more.

Of course, I'm sure you can imagine. I'm speaking about our very good friends at Shopify. Oh, I'll tell you what, Brian. They'll fix it all right because they know the right people. And if you deal with Shopify, ladies gentlemen, let me assure you of one thing, if you align your business in the year 2026 with Shopify, the fix will be in. Because they know the right people.

They are going to take you and they're going to make you an entrepreneur, a founder, a boss. You're going to get a territory. You're going to have a bunch of capos around you and you're going to be responsible for a bunch of foot soldiers and you're going to be part of the thing of ours. I don't know what you're going. Called the internet commerce.

It's a big thing. You see, Brian, now that all the commerce is done on the internet, because the internet's the most commercial thing, well, they've got five families that have divvied this the whole thing up and Shopify is one of those families. Shopify is not one of those families. Well, Shopify, millions of entrepreneurs have made the leap into working with the people at Shopify,

because, you know, they had great little websites there, but nobody was hearing about them. You know what I mean? Nobody was hearing about them. They were just shouting in the forest, all empty and everything, with the tree falling, but nobody heard what happened.

You've heard that old story, but instead, when you team up with Shopify, they get the word out about you. They spread it all around the email and the social media campaigns. They're walking down the street. One guy comes up on one, side of you, the other guy comes up on the other side of you. They say, hey, you heard about

so-and-so. He's with Shopify now. He's okay. You got to take care of him. You got to spend your money over there. You know what I mean? And they give him a little elbow in the ribs. Maybe stick the gait right in the rib cage. All right. The guy gets the idea. Ladies and gentlemen, there'll be no gats. There'll be no elbows to the rib cage. What there will be is a way to increase your business and to help you and your business. And to help you and your business, get out there to the entire internet, easy sales, easy discoverability, and so many other things. Is that a word?

Is that a word? We work with Shopify. We work with Shopify if you want to discoverabilize that. And of course, you can to our very good friends, the very professional people at Shopify. Yes, that's exactly right. And folks, they're going to, I'm telling you, they're going to do everything for you. they've done for millions of other entrepreneurs that now are protected under the family protection with Shopify. They're going to build your dream store. Everybody better show up to build it or elsewise

they'll come after them. And they're not coming after anybody. They're coming after sales for you. Yes. And set up as fast marketing is built in as you grow. Shopify grows with you. You know at first the Vig is this and then the Vig is going to be that. But you know what everybody's going to share? They're going to be farting through silk. Handle more orders, expand to new markets, and do it all from the same dashboard behind the dashboard of a 57 Chevy

with a little chihuahua and hanging from the mirror with the head going, whoopo, whoopo, bo, bo. Folks, in 2026, stop waiting and start selling with Shopify. Chiching. Sign up for your $1 month trial period and start selling today at Shopify.com slash JCE. That is again, Shopify.com slash JCE.

$1 a month trial period, Brian, a dollar that can change your life. And it'll bring you into the family. So you're going to be on the right side of things. And you get the protection and the mentorship and the guidance that you deserve from Big Godfather at Shopify. Once again, all fun and games aside, we trust them, we use them for our online business, Arcadian Vanguard.com. You can trust them and use them for yours. That's right. They've got their own unique, weird code of honor. They're not going to stooge.

They'll just take care of it later on. The old world way. Again, not the examples we need, but one final time here, Jim, as we wrap up this professional spot, let the listeners know, the promo code, and the way they can get this great deal. Shopify.com slash JCE. All right, of course, that joyous sound means. We're ready to move on here with the show. Sounds like a cross between the edge of night and the golden globes. Speaking of cross, the WWE talent has been cross the big ocean.

They are in Europe, which I found out... Waste deep in the big muddy. Which I found out in the midst of Raw. I forgot what time it started. But let's talk about whatever you watched on WWE Raw this past week. well let's talk about what i didn't watch on raw because i just i want to plead my case brian i want to plead my case to the to the listeners out there it was on early and according and i i've got a variety of things i need to do during the day i can't just hop in at two o'clock in the afternoon and just

watch the wrestling show so i was going to do what i normally do is wait till the next morning and then i can fast forward through the great majority of it and i read the reed to read the Recap Online. And I just want to, I want to plead my case. Does anybody think that I should have watched this program when we talk about what was on this program? That's what I'm trying to do here. I'm trying to, I'm trying to defend myself against not being interested in this. Apparently, Ria Ripley, E.O. Sky, Liv Morgan, Roxanne Perez, Lyric valedictorian, Bailey,

Oscar and Carrie Sane all came out and did an interview and gotten an argument and gotten a fight with each other and set up a match for later on. They did that. I've never seen that happen before. It must have been really exciting. It's a revolutionary concept. And then old Javon Evans beat Bravo Americano.

Who is not, I thought it was grande. Apparently now there's multiple Americanos. This is another of the things that we haven't given to sheds about. And then I was thinking, well, punk's got to be on this show. CM Punk apparently came out and did a live promo with Finn Baller, and they set up, but they're going to have a match next week. And they had stern words for each other. and then the aforementioned three-way tag team match with six girls and no people,

or whatever the fuck, happened. And after that, a lot of other girls did some promos. And then my boy, my boy, Austin Theory wrestled. He and Bronson Reed had a tag team match. against Penta and Dragon Lee. And apparently they lost the match by disqualification when Braun Breaker came out and they just beat the shit out of Penta and Dragon Lee, which I highly encourage people do.

I think there should be more of that in the world. But blah. And then Braun Brewer got suspended, apparently, wherever this may be going for snatching Adam Pierce. And here's the thing. You can punch him, you can pile drive him, and you can drop kick him, but don't snatch him up or run under the rib cage. He's goosey.

He'll suspend you for that. And then Gunther beat AJ Stiles. So we've settled that issue. Did anything thrill you there? No. And I don't know if that's just because they know they're going to have a red-hot, out in Europe who they don't have to give much to and they're going to be really happy? It's like the runaways got to Japan.

Or is it just because the TV sucks? Because whether it's the length of time they're trying to fill or specifically the people who are doing creative and overseeing creative and compiling creative, it sucks. And it's a lot of the same elements that we all got sick of during Vince McMahon, and, you know, his last 15 years in charge. We're seeing all that again with a, you know, a different voice and Triple H being the one supervising all of it, but the TV sucks.

And I noticed as early to say it. I mean, the Royal Rumble hasn't happened yet in Saudi Arabia. The stadium hasn't even been built yet, but the Royal Rumble hasn't happened yet. But I'm already not looking forward to the builder, WrestleMania, because I don't think they have much right now. back to the stadium for a second because I saw the pictures too maybe they don't have the same codes or enforcement

restrictions or whatever as construction people do here but what's going to happen if there's 50,000 people in his thing and it just all falls in it'll end on the wrestlers well no they'll be in them but they'll be safe all collapse around them they'll be in the middle on the Well, I guess the, where will the locker rooms be? Hopefully an underground bunker. Yeah.

It'll be like Pompeii in a hundred years. People will be like, we found the bones of the Miz. He was all skinning bones anyway. But, but yeah, so that's that's January 31st. Have we seen any pictures since last week? Have they put seats in yet in this fucking thing? No, but I have no doubt that they'll have it done. I have no doubt that they're working around the clock.

I have no doubt they're using slave labor. I have no doubt that they will not accept anything, except the stadium being done in time for this. So I don't think there's anything to worry about. I don't know. We can't knock Saudi Arabia anymore now. It's safer than Minnesota. I don't know about that.

Try to do anything that the government hasn't told you you're allowed to do in Saudi Arabia, see how long you'll last. Try to do anything the government hasn't told you you can do in fucking Minnesota. All right, maybe it's a draw. I'm about to say, I believe we have a goddamn strap match going on here. It's going to be interesting. This is like a trial run to this show for next year, WrestleMania and Saudi Arabia.

This is a major pay-per-view Royal Rumble. It's one that people look forward to. It's one that some people have parties for every year. It's one that non-wrestling fans actually like. that show is going to be the middle of the day or the morning. When the Saudi Arabia shows, are the morning or the middle of the day? I forget now.

Oh, God, damn. Like, you're asking me, like, I'm going to have this information off the top of my head. Why do Googleify the information on how to view this thing, and it should be part of the important information what time it comes on? Right now it is 10.19 p.m. in Saudi Arabia, as we are recording. they are eight hours. Eight hours, but we don't know what time they're starting. We don't know, but I think it sounds like...

So they're eight hours past us, so if they start, if they start at 7 o'clock at night, that would be 11 o'clock here in the morning. Would they start at midnight to start here at 4 o'clock? What's happening here? What's happening here is I think we got the very first example of breakfast with WrestleMania. It's going to be a big hit for two days this year, your French toast, your pancakes, and your body slams all coming from

the beautiful extravagant home of Saudi Arabia, the future home of WWE's headquarters and their Hall of Fame and their museum and everything else. Any other thoughts on the WWE creative Beyond Raw? It's just that's...

Am I being over the top or do you see where I'm coming from? Just... No, well, I think they'll hopefully, they're trying to lull us into a little false sense of security so they'll put the gas on for WrestleMania a little bit starting with the Rumble. But it's just, that's the thing is there's a lot of time in these. And now Smackdown's three hours again, a lot of time to fill up. They may think they don't have to do more, but I think they've,

they've gotten a position where the only time, the top, the top talent will wrestle in a main event, but otherwise it's middle card guys against the middle card guys. They do the same kind of gimmick matches. They do the same kind of formatting of the shows. They do the same kind of same stuff all the time. And it's just kind of blah. Well, that was WWRWA.

And that's the state of WWE. We shall now move on here with the program. Jim, do you have anything before we get to the non-gym curated? Non-gim? I don't want to talk about anybody but me. No, I do. Oh, and I do have one thing. This came in during the holidays.

And this is an email, but basically we had asked the question here not long ago. About the rumor that Sunshine may have passed away. Sunshine, the valet from the world-class days. And apparently, no, she has not. she is alive and well and married and apparently living in Florida and is trying apparently obviously trying to stay out of the public eye so but for anybody that was worried about her she's around but she don't give a fuck about you leave her the fuck alone no she just she's got a nice happy life now

imagine that for an ex wrestling personality And to follow up on that, I got a letter here from Missy Hyatt. She says, everything's great. Also, leave her alone. And I have something here from a baby doll. It says, please leave me alone. It's a similar theme from all the women around wrestling to the fans. I'm not sure that that was all warranted there for heaven's sake.

Some people like attention. But nevertheless, but I got an email. with a question from a fellow named John Harris. And the reason why I got a tickle out of that was obviously because of little John Harris. And I don't think it's the same one. But anyway, this was a simple question. And we've kind of talked about the answer to this before, but we might talk about other people that it applies to.

Because he said, you mentioned that you and the Midnight Express when you told a story, we're finishing up in Mid-South wrestling or finishing up in Dallas to go to Crockett or whatever. He says, were you all considered a package deal or was it more of a Korean War-style loyalty, like Jim Hurd said? Did a promoter ever ask if you could stay without Bobby and Dennis? Or then later on, obviously, Bobby and Stan. And really that really never got a chance to apply to us specifically. and just to recap when Watts put us all together and we finished up in Mid-South,

we had already had both Flair and Dusty, and I've told the story, so I'm not trying to go into detail, but we'd already had Flair and Dusty asking us all three to come to the Carolinas. But Watts wanted us all three to go to Dallas so that he could get us all three to come back and make shots on his show, I've told that story. Well, because we all three had gone to Dallas when we were ready to leave there, we wanted to go to the Carolinas, and they wanted all three of us. So we went there. And of course, Crockett was then bought by Turner and WCW.

We were obviously there together. Heard had wanted to break us up and wanted me to be an announcer. and, you know, it didn't enjoy the midnight like everybody else did, whatever. But really, we weren't considering that either. The only reason that we did break up is finally what I just said, fuck it, I'm going to kill somebody. I've got to leave here. And Stan went with me.

So that wasn't planned. That was a spur of the moment thing. So we never really had to, in Dallas, in Mid-South, in WCW, Sometimes I would manage someone else in addition to the midnight, but, you know, that was on a case by case basis, and I didn't mind that to, you know, to Murdoch and the Sixth Man's or Hercules as my bodyguard or Big Bubba, whatever. That wasn't a, you know, it wasn't an issue, but we never really, we didn't start soon enough that we were going from territory to territory for a long period of time. it would have been stupid for us really to break up until we'd just, again, we'd reach the end of our rope and had no patience left. Because we were known as a package, and early on before we were known as a package, it obviously worked so well that, you know, they wouldn't want just me, some other promoter in another territory, wouldn't want just, me or just the midnight without me.

But that was a thing, Brian, and that's why I said, let's open it up a little bit. In a lot of places, a local manager stayed and his guys revolved like Jimmy Hart in Memphis. Whoever was in the first family depended on what heels were in Memphis, but Jimmy Hart was the resident guy. but in other territories and other in the olden days managers would go with who they were managing

like I think about the von Brauners and Saul Weingrofts but what 10 years almost together in one form or another because it was just it was a money-drawn deal from Florida Georgia Tennessee you know wherever the fuck can And the only place I think that the von Brauners went for 15 years that Wyngrove didn't go with it was what, out to San Francisco or something. But because that was a, it was a gimmick that just worked,

Ken, Ramey and the interns, even though there were a few different, there was a couple of different von Brauners and there was a couple of different interns. Nobody could tell the difference. But it would just, then, and Bobby Heenan, stayed in Indianapolis and then stayed in the AWA for Vern and just guys rotated. But he had long-term success with Stevens and Bachwinkle and et cetera. So it just depended on who it was. Who was another traveling manager?

In your opinion, Brian. Yeah, and again, Jimmy Hart's the example from Memphis where for a few years, lots of big stars came in, but he was the main event heel, even though he was the manager. It was Lawler against Jimmy Hart and the first family. And the WWF, he had Albano and the Grand Wizard.

They stayed there, guys came into them. Albano mostly tag teams after a certain point. Grand Wizard and Blassie. Singles. And then I think as someone like Gary Hart, who, although he had some time in his runs in

Florida, Georgia, and of course Texas, where he was there and obviously new people would join him, you also think of him as being kind of a traveling manager for Great Kabuki, the spoiler, various other people. Actually, now that you mentioned it, Gary was kind of like in reverse because Gary might go to a territory to book and then bring in the people that he worked well with

that he knew had a great track record. So he was sometimes the advanced guy because of, of that, you know, connection that he would often have with the office. He would, you know, then assemble his crew based on, you know, who worked well with him. But then some guys or tag teams that had, I think, Jimmy Kent went territory to territory with the bounty hunters and Sir Clements. And later on, or was, oh, maybe first George Kemp. and then Sir Clements, with the fabulous kangaroos, went to a variety of places. So it just depended on whether the gimmick was working or not,

and whether, you know, the sum of the parts was greater than the whole of the donut. I don't know what that old saying is. Needless to say, neither do I. But all right, well, there it is. All righty then. You know, there was a bunch of questions. we have a ton of questions here today and some big topics. Someone just sent it in, now I can't find it in front of me.

It was about Dennis's physique. The physique he had in 1984 and Mid-South, where he looked in great shape, versus 1986, let's say. For Crockett, the question was, was it the road? Yeah. It exactly, if... Here's the thing, unbeknownst to Denhammedounce to Denham. that he was going to have the break of his career in 1984,

he had spent all or if not all, most of 1983 in the Memphis territory. And that's the one thing about work in Memphis, you had spare time. You had free time. You could be home six nights a week. You could go to the gym. And not only Dennis,

but remember what Buddy Landell looked like in 1983. Yeah. And he was in Memphis too. and they were working out together. And then serendipitously, you know, we got the spot in Louisiana. And Dennis was in great shape. And I mean, Bobby was always in, he had almost no body fat on him whatsoever in 1984. And those, if you go back and watch the videos of the matches, he's like 215.

and he's taking those bumps, but he's got no fat on him, his cardio's off the charts. He just didn't have a show body, and he never really worked out in the gym. He was just natural. But it affected each guy differently. That in 1984, they were both in great shape. Well, by the end of that year,

when we went to Dallas, where everybody got a chance to relax and breathe for about six months, so it did it. Bobby had gained 10 or 15 pounds by that point. And that wasn't bad for him to be 225 or 230. And Dennis got a chance to start working out again. And then we went to Crockett. And then that fucking schedule was,

if you look at early 1987, Bobby, even though he's working every night and, you know, multiple times a day sometimes, because he really did. And he had kids by this point. He didn't go to the gym.

He wasn't a worker out guy. He's gained like 20 more pounds. And Dennis has lost his definition because he can't get in a gym because we're working 12 matches a week. So it was starting to break everybody down. And then when Dennis left, Stan came in, Stan was in great shape because Stan had been in Florida working five days a week 20 miles from home for nothing, right?

All he could do was work out. And he got Bobby back in the fucking groove to where Bobby started losing a little weight. But it just, that was the thing is it would depend on your schedule and the road and what you were doing. And with me, especially at that period of time, 86 and 87, I was running ragged around the ring and keeping weight off of me until I blew the knee. And then in 87 I was chubby and I blew the other knee. And by 88, I'm fucking fat

because I wasn't as active as I had been. So then I had to fucking lose all that weight for those bunkhouse matches in the 88 bashes. But you had no time whatsoever to, I mean, the road warriors and those guys, I don't know, besides the chemicals, pharmaceuticals, whatever you call them, they just had to goddamn not have families or anything else to have time to get in the gym and do what they did.

They were amazing. But, you know, it would beat you the fuck, the schedule and the road and the amount of working and the odd hours and the eating on the road. etc. would, you know, make you look like shit sometimes in those days. Thankfully, appearance was not mandatory yet. All right, Jim, well, let's move on now with some questions. This one was sent in to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Kyle in Columbus, Ohio. Kyle's mom is a bitch. She's a big fat bitch. She's a big fat bitch. Oh, yes, she is. She's a

big, bitch. It's going to be a lot of bleeps on you. We're early in the clip. No need for this. Okay, sorry about that. Well, that's South Park. Well, it is important to note. Kyle is banned from sending in any questions for the next six months. Kyle?

Why? You've sent in the same series of questions over and over and over again. I'm going to ask one, because it's a good question. But you're not allowed to send in anything else for six months. If you break that, you'll be blocked. The onus is on you, my friend. But Jim, here's Kyle's question. question. And then we'll talk about Kyle's anus.

With Roman rain, we will not, with Roman Rain saying in an interview, he wants to wrestle one or two more years, Max, if you guys were booking this and not the popcorn farts on the neck, okay, I'm going to try to get to what he's writing here. Would you give Roman Raines one more title run? Or is it time to focus on the next crop, whether it's Bronbray or Jacob Fatou or Jay Uso, etc. Well, maybe take Jay Uso off that list, but. Well, yeah, we could, yeah, we could do that.

If he's saying a year or two years, there's no way to tell because if you've got two years with a guy, you've got plenty of time. Roman Raines is a major name. I know he's not wrestling often, but he's a major name. He's been in the mix for so long. you can do some things.

Hopefully the rock will stay out of it. That's the only thing we wanted to see was the rock against Roman Reigns. We've never seen that. And that wouldn't do anybody any good. But you've got plenty of time. If you're starting to do something with him and you see that the opportunity is there,

whoever is the champion, you could do something, you could swap it back and forth or blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever the fuck, that's plenty of time. If he's finishing up in the next six months, I would start thinking about, you know, how he can politely open a door for somebody else. But he doesn't need the title. But if it fit, because his opponent that you wanted to do this deal with, that you thought he could draw money with was the champion.

And holy shit, it would work. It's getting over. It would work out if he beat him and then he dropped it to whatever. that should still entirely be on the table. So there's no way to answer that question in a two-year time frame. It is interesting when you think about how he's being used. He's one of the biggest stars in the company. And I think what helps that is that he's never there.

I don't know whether it's because of Hollywood or health, but he's never there. And this is not a new thing. This is going back to when he was the world champion and he defended the title like six times. and he's the longest reigning champion since six matches but he's never there

he certainly meant more as champion not being there than not than as just a returning baby face we've seen him get a returning baby face pop several times and then he vanishes again yeah there there needs to be

if he if you're going to do something with him for more than just he's going to pop in for a special attraction match If you're going to build around him, he needs to commit to something to where he's not just going to re-debut, shoot, angle, have match, and leave. There's got to be some steady movement for a few months on the thing to get it really going if you would be considering putting a belt on him or having multiple matches with a champion where he would win it, lose it back, or lose somebody else or whatever. if he's just going to, like you said, pop in every once in a while, it may just be special attraction matches.

But, you know, they will spend any amount of money to get whatever the fuck they want. And if Saudi Arabia wants him in a big WrestleMania match with a goddamn major opponent and blah, blah, blah, I'm sure they will pay him to come back and build that up. just waiting to Saudi Arabia wants John Sina that is going to be really interesting but we'll see what happens with Roman Rains

Jim I got a couple questions here You know what they could do they could book John Sina Sr. And when he shows up just say hey you know retirement he's fucking gone to pot Jim we have a couple questions here sent in by Sean

on Long Island Let me get to this first one here Brett Hart is my all-time favorite wrestler, but I often feel his WrestleMania 12 Iron Man match with Sean Michaels is overrated. I thought it was slow and boring and could name at least 10 better Brett Hart matches. What is your opinion on the WrestleMania 12 Iron Man match?

Well, I definitely think there's 10 better Brett Hart matches, but that's still not really an indictment of that match because he's had a lot of great matches. But having said that, it was the wrong place to fucking do it. I still maintain because it was Los Angeles. It was not only Los Angeles, but a WWF crowd in Los Angeles, which, you know, they were not concerned with a classic match in any stretch of the imagination. And as it went on and they knew it, not only it went on, but they knew it was going,

going to be an hour ahead of time because it was an Iron Man match. It wasn't even like a match that just kept building and building and going. And everybody was shocked. And the people that were there had seen enough pomp and pageantry and decided to beat the crowd and started leaving early. And it just wasn't, it wasn't a reaction that those two guys going an hour would have gotten in Charlotte, North Carolina or Dallas, Texas, or probably even, Madison Square Garden because of just the difference in especially that era's

WWF wrestling fans from the heartland to the coasts. So, I mean, it was better than what a lot of people could fucking do in the ring, but it didn't, it didn't, it wasn't right for the venue and they could have had something more memorable in the ring. in the ring if they'd have gone half the time. But then the question is, that was just the live in-house reaction because it was still WrestleMania.

Was that the right way to, they both wanted to, even though they didn't want the other one to get credit for it, both those guys would want to have a 60-minute classic. But the question is, did it draw better on pay-per-view because it was an Iron Man match and it was promoted that way rather than just Brett Hart versus Sean Michaels. Who knows?

But yeah, it wasn't their greatest match or Brett's greatest match, but, you know, it still, it was the main event at WrestleMania. Even though I don't like Sean, all that, all that terribly much, it was better than most people could do anyway. But that's a lesson again on just a great match alone. In 1996, in Los Angeles, those people were still thinking, a Hulk Hogan, leg drop, eight minutes, what the fuck's going on here? They didn't get the new style that was coming.

See, I didn't like the match at all. And when it first happened, I remember just thinking, I don't have to watch this again. And that's not typically what I would think after watching a good match, no matter how long it was. Yeah. It was the beginning of Vince McMahon force-feeding Sean Michael, to the fans as a babyface champion

and it didn't really take. It took with him. Took him over if you listen to Brett Hart. But the fans never really got behind that version of Sean Michaels as a baby face. I think that was the night that Jack Lanzas said Sean was going to have a repelling entrance, but I didn't hear him right.

I said he's always got a repellent entrance. I mean, that's the other thing. The finish was clear. Who was going over, I thought was clear because even if you didn't know that Brett Hart was about to take time off. One guy comes out, like he always does, the other guy flies down from the ceiling.

Who's going to win this? The guy that walks down the aisle to the rig or the guy that gets flown from the ceiling into the ring and fucking... With spotlights. Do you think, looking back now, it would have been a better match at a minimum in the room

if at the end of the hour it was tied 7-7 as opposed to 1-1? No, that would have just been ridiculous at that point. I mean, it doesn't have to be 7, but if it was more than, you know, one hour with a pinfall at the beginning and a pinfall at the end,

if there was more action in the middle, almost like they didn't break it up like a two out of three falls match. It was just one giant long match, but you could have done more falls. I understand why they didn't. And that's what they want to put together. That's the thing is, you know, try to get even in a two out of three fall type of situation,

try to get one of these motherfuckers laid out for the other one or, you know, whatever. You see what I'm saying. I think it was just, it was just too long for the, too long for the room and maybe too long for television, too long for pay-per-view for the WWF audience at that point in time. a flare and steamboat in 89 going 56 minutes on a free clash of champions from the Superdome you know was a little bit more in the flavor of what people expected that kind of more than this just all of a sudden you know in the land of doink the clown we're going to have a great classic wrestling match it didn't and sean and brett were still 96 sean and brett not iconic

Sean and Brett. And it just, it would have been better at 30 minutes. They could have a great match. It's just the parameters you give them. Well, here's the other thing. What did the fans in the building care more about that night? This match or the return of the Ultimate Warrior? Oh, like I said, they were, this was Los Angeles,

Hokogen, eight minutes, leg drop, you know, ice cream bars. It's the ultimate warrior. Oh, my God. they've now he three months later they'd probably farted it in his general direction when he came out the same building but it was the nostalgia thing and that's what the audience was at that time for especially for Vince so it just it didn't get over you know that was the year that like starting at the beginning of the year they booked jake to snake for the royal rumble and it pulled the you you were in the office you could tell me but didn't it pull like a really big surprising number yeah

And there was the year of like some of these guys returning. They had had two or three years where all of a sudden not only was everybody new and a lot of the stars had left because of issues or steroids or, you know, trying to change talent or whatever, but everybody was new. And then all of a sudden the names that people knew from five years previous start coming Ultimate Warrior or Jake Snake Roberts or whatever, and people start popping again. The problem was, is in a lot of cases,

that always happened in the territories when guys came and left, but the way Vince's business was at that point, all the guys that were coming back and getting pops were guys that were basically members of the over-the-hill gang, and the guys that were trying to break out and draw the money for the future were completely, different animals that wanted to work hard and get over and have a little more oomph to them

that had been the NWA fans in the ring, the Steve Austens, and wanted a little more edge to him. And so you've got the WWF 80s bunch that had drawn tremendous money for Vince, but was older and or the schedule and their various habits had broken them down and you've got these new guys, the Foley's and the Undertakers and the Austens and the fucking guys that liked the different kind of wrestling

that they started watching and wanted to bring that whole personality. And it just, it took a while before all that shit got sorted out. I don't know if you would know, but what kind of payoff did Jose La Therio get for a WrestleMania? Oh, good Lord. That was like the beginning of him being used, right? Yeah, I mean, you know, to be honest, from my experience in those years, for a manager, I got for WrestleMania 10,

where I was in two of the world title matches or whatever was 25 grand. they didn't pay the managers anywhere near what they paid the talent. I think Bobby Heenan had a $50,000 payoff on a Somerslam in like 88, 89, whatever, when he was figured in and it was a big deal. And I got like, what was it, was it 10 or 15 for SummerSlam 93, managing in the tag team title match? But nevertheless, and the world title match. But I can't imagine poor Jose,

they five grand, maybe ten grand, whatever. One would think. Well, Jim, I'm looking back on the Iron Man match, you know, one of the things that may have changed the way the match is thought of today is if they had more energy, if maybe they had a different meal before the match or they were looking forward to a different meal after the match, something healthy, something maybe with protein,

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and he will guess the date, the locale, and everything else. We're having a great show here today, folks. Can't you just feel it? Can't you just feel the energy? Hold on. I can feel it. Goodbye. Let's start with this one, Jim.

The opening contest listed, and their matches are, of course, subject to change. Yes. Tully Blanchard versus sweet brown sugar. Oh, boy. Adrian Street versus Tommy Rogers. Dick Slater versus Ron Garvin. The spoiler

versus King Kanga Jake Roberts versus King Kong Bundy Bundy For a championship I will not name Ted DiBiase versus Brad Armstrong Two more matches

The Road Warriors Jesus Christ Versus the All-Star team of Jimmy Valiant and Tim Horner. And finally, for a championship I will not name, Rick Flair versus Stan Hanson. Christ on a cracker. All right, it's, well, before I'm going to tell you where I think it is,

Tully Blanchard's sweet brown sugar, I'm thinking, okay, we're going to San Antonio. Sweet brown sugar, that version would have been Skip Young, and I'm thinking somewhere around 1983-ish. And then Adrian Street and Tommy Rogers. I said, well, you know, Tommy Rogers actually worked San Antonio also briefly before he became one of the fantastics. But Adrian, he may have popped in there, but Slater would have been a guy that would have been around Southwest at that point, but Ron Garvey.

was in Georgia. And then the spoiler and King Konga, who was the barbarian that we all came to know in love, would have been in Georgia about the same time as well and Jake Roberts, King Kong Bundy. Bundy was at this point he had been in Dallas but had not started with Vince yet. DiBiasey and Brad Armstrong takes us back to

Georgia, as do the road warriors, but then Jimmy Valiant and Rick Flair, and for that matter, Tim Horner for what he was worth, which wasn't much, were Crockett guys and Stan Hanson, for fuck's sake, was Stan Hanson. So this has got to be one of the early pro wrestling USA invasions of the North, Northeast and Vince's territory with a cooperation from Southwest Wrestling who probably still or shortly before that had the USA network television show before Vince got it and also the Georgia territory and also at least some element of the Crockett cooperation and Hanson would have been would he have been working for Vern at this point in time

because this is early on I don't know whether it's Baltimore or the Meadowlands but it was in 1984 so it's one of those places so help me out here because 84 will determine what the fuck was going on the date Sunday June 3rd 1984

the Omni Atlanta Georgia oh fuck that was too easy. I should have realized. I didn't think it was the Omni. Son of a bitch. All right. On the front cover, it says spectacular tour underway now, and there's very crudely cut out pictures of people's heads. And you have Stan Hanson, Pez-Watley, the Road Warriors, Tommy Rogers, Jerry Lawler,

Ted DiBiasey, Ron Garvin, Les Thornton even made this, and others. Look for us, World Championship Wrestling, there is a difference. Cleveland, Ohio, Cincinnati, Ohio, Baltimore, Maryland, Saginaw, Michigan, Wheeling, West Virginia, Columbus, Ohio, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Huntington, West Virginia, and the Meadowlands. So this was June 1984. This was one month before Black Saturday, when Vince showed up and took the TV away. That's right, but they already knew. It was coming.

It wasn't like he got to TV the same day he got control or that he tried to get control. You know, there was a road to get there. There was a period of time where obviously Oli Anderson knew I may not be able to fight this, but I am fighting it. All right. Well, good job there. All right. I was fooled by the obviousness of this. Jim, this next card.

Jungle Jim Star versus Bruce Kirk Bobby Nichols versus Eric Frolic and the final special feature Lonnie Main versus Woody Farmer Good Lord

We have the challenge of the Giants I will name this championship for the Dreadnought title Don Lee O'Jonathan, 320 pounds, versus the Crusher, 315 pounds. For another championship, I will not name, Ripper Roy Collins, the champion, versus Lord Blears, the Challenger. For the World Tag Team Championship, I'll name it, Paterson and Ray Stevens, the champions,

versus Paul Jones and Pepper Martin. And finally, the main event, for a championship I will not name, the champion, handsome Johnny Berend, versus the challenger, Tough Tony Bourne. Okay. Well, here's what we're, what we are dealing with here

is an amalgam of people from a number of places. Jungle Jim Star at one point was one of the interns with Dr. Ken Ramey. Eric Frolic was a West Coast baby face of some description back in the early 70s, which this, it may be early 70s, it may be late 60s. Moondog Maine as Lonnie Maine and Woody Farmer. Woody Farmer was again a California fixture. Don Leo Jonathan from the Pacific Northwest and on the tail end of his career, the Crusher, who is 315 pounds, any picture or anything?

Was it Stan Crusher, Kowalski? Was it just some fat guy we found at Shell? There is nothing here to indicate who it is, but I would expect it's not Crusher Lassowski. Well, obviously, yeah, he didn't weigh 315. Ripper Collins and Lord James Bleers, Hawaii legends in their own ways. And Pat Patterson and Ray Stevens, the World Tag Team champions for Roy Shire at that point against Pepper Martin, another guy who worked the West Coast and appeared in a lot of TV shows.

I had forgot Paul Jones had a run out there. And then Johnny Barron on top means this is Hawaii against tough Tony Bourne, who was a legend from the Pacific Northwest. So this is, and Bleers being on the card, this is a Hawaii show at what was the building that they were using in the late 60s, early 70s, the HIC Pavilion, with cooperation from the Portland and San Francisco territories. And I'm going to say Ray Stevens left San Francisco in 1970, I believe, so I'm going to say it was 1969.

The date? Monday, March 6, 1967, the Portland Memorial Coliseum. Portland, Oregon. Holy shit. The Parade of Champions. Major, major show for Portland, so they didn't even run the bowling alley. They went to the big building.

That's right, the parade of champions and the big building, the Memorial Coliseum. Okay, well, and it makes sense that Tony Bourne was in a main event. Rather than making sense, if it had been Hawaii, they brought Born into work with Barron, but since it was Portland, they brought Barron to work

Berkeley Bourne. And was that the thing they put Blears on the card as a as a kindness? You know, you're going to get a payoff

to come up with Collins and a couple of these people and we're going to talk some business because Bleers wasn't at that point still working out dates, was he? Maybe occasionally, but I think of James

Blears is being retired by that point. Yeah, so that's what threw me. All right. All right. I'm sucking today. Let me give you a layup. Let me give you an easy one next. Well, now if you tell people you're giving me an easy one, then that just shits all over

what I'm doing, doesn't it? There are more matches apparently than what is listed here. Uh-oh. Candy Devine, Nashville, Tennessee versus Cal Girl Susan Star, Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Warlock, from parts unknown, versus Mr. Jeep Swenson from parts unknown. Nord the Barbarian, from parts unknown. Versus Perry Jackson, Texarkana, Arkansas. Mill Mosquirus, Mexico City, versus Sal Oliverus, Mexico, Mexico.

And finally, the main event... And apparently he went back there right after this match was never heard from again. And the main event for a tag title I will not name. The Fantastics, Tommy Rogers and Bobby Fulton from the City of Angels, versus the rock and roll RPMs. Mike Davis and Tommy Lane at Atlanta, Georgia. All righty, well... Hey, this is...

We're in Texas. Jeep Swenson spent some time in Texas so did Nord the Barbarian. Perry Jackson was from Texarkana, Moscarus against some nobody that they brought in just to get him on the card, give him somebody to work with, and the poor Fantastics

and Mike Davis and Tommy Lane, the RPMs. The rock and roll RPMs were a obviously a rock and roll express homage but poor Mike Davis looked at least like a goddamn Sean Cassidy or he looked more like Jack Cassidy that after the fire than he did any teeny bopper idol poor Mike

and Candy Devine was booked there because I guess they weren't talking to Mula she was only working for Vince at this point this was what would it have been God, 80 is the real poor business days of Dallas in the late 80s, are we talking

19, well the Fantastics came in to work with us in 88, so we're talking is this where they came from or was this early 90s potentially? 1991 in Dallas Texas.

You were so close. Uh... Monday, May 4th, 1987. Son of a bitch. Will Rogers Coliseum, Fort Worth, Texas. This card is the day after the David Von Erick

fourth annual Parade of Champions at Texas Stadium, May 3rd, 87. So they just put the card in the program for the Parade of Champions. You know, I remember the first Parade of Champions pretty well. And I remember the second Parade of Champions pretty well, too. After that,

there are matches I remember, and there's a lot I don't remember. Here's one I don't remember. Battle of the Beautiful Bodies. $10,000 to the winner of a six-girl mud match. I remember that, actually. Six of the most beautiful women in pro wrestling will converge on Texas Stadium this afternoon

in search of a $10,000 prize. These lovely ladies will be wrestling battle royal style. in the mud. Manager extraordinaire Percy Pringle the third petitioned the WCWA Council asking that he be named the special referee

for the unusual event. And that was so that they could get Percy in the mud and dunk even the mud. WCWA's own gorgeous ringettes will participate in this battle. Miss Sherry Jenkins and Miss Candy Casey both of Dallas, want to keep the $10,000 in the Metroplex.

Miss Sherry is a former Dallas Cowboy Cheerleader. Candy and Sherry will be joined in the mud by former Miss Tennessee Candy Divine. Candy and Sherry will be joined by candy and cigarettes. Well, she's not even the only candy. By former Miss Tennessee Candy Divine. Have she ever missed Tennessee? No.

She missed Tennessee. when she was in Texas probably. Oklahoma Calgirl, Susan Star, Las Vegas is Sally Rand. What? And San Francisco... What is Sally Rand? In 1980-some Sally Rand would have been 60 years old.

And San Francisco's Tiffany Crystal. Oh, sure she was. The rules of the event are plain and simple. Elimination can only take place by a pinfall or a submission. I thought it was Battle Royal style. The pinfall or... but they don't know how to take a bump over the top rope. The pinfall or submission must take place in the mud.

Special referee Pringle told the group of reporters that the match will be called fair and square. Quote, I proved my manhood in the ring as a wrestler. Everyone knows what an excellent manager I am. Now I'm going to show the world just what a great referee I can be. Well, there it is the six-person one match. Let me just say, by the way, way to put on this card that you just gave me in Fort Worth right after the Texas

stadium show and this card be so shitty I bet you they didn't have 200 people in the will Rogers but the that was the when they had gotten to that point the stadium show they probably this one of the boys knew some girls who worked at the fucking strip club or whatever and then they had candy divine and the other girl book that maybe they can get something out of the other who knows who those girls were. But they were trying anything because they just lost it and they knew they, what did what did that 87 Von Erick Memorial do? Was that the one they had like 5,000 people in Texas Stadium?

They may have had that many, maybe, but they still had another one in 88, which was even worse. So a point is it was by that point they were just, Throwing things against the wall. You know, by this point, too, it had become the David and Mike Von Erich. Yeah. So, well, there it is, that program. Jim, here's another one. Opening contest, Mike George versus Taurus.

Tim Woods is written in for the person who's supposed to be on the show. Tim Woods versus Zodiac. Ron Fuller versus baldness. No, I'm kidding. Ron Fuller versus Nick Bockwinkle. Ooh. Jack Briscoe versus Ray Stevens. Mike Webster and Redbeard

versus Eddie and Mike Graham. And the main event for the World Championship, Dory Funk Jr. versus Buddy Colt. Okay, here's the layup, I think, because one thing concerns me, but I won't say what it is. One would have thought that if we got Tim Woods, Ron Fuller, Jack Briscoe, and the Grams, and Dory Funk Jr. and Buddy Colt, that this would be in Florida. However, Ron Fuller versus Nick Bockwinkle. Nick Bockwinkle wasn't working Florida right before he went to work for

Vern Ganya in the AWA and what was, I think it was either late 1970 or early 1971. He was in Georgia as a baby face. But that would mean that Ron Fuller as a. a rookie baby face would be working with Bachwinkle as a baby face, but they may have wanted Bachwinkle to put Ron Fuller over if he was on the way out because Ron Fuller was a member of the Welsh family, part owner of the office. I'm wondering, and Elsa, but with Red Beard was a Florida guy. I'm trying to bounce back and forth and determine whether this is the city auditorium in Atlanta

or whether it is a show in Tampa or Miami, Florida from 1970 and my George goddamn red beard we're in Miami in 1970, God damn it.

Jim, the date Tuesday, August 8th, 1972 Oh! Tampa, Florida. All right. In that case, Bach Winkle was on loan from Vern because they ran a part-time schedule

and so was Stevens. That makes sense. But God damn it, I've busted another one. We have a paid advertisement here. Help wanted. The position of valet to Bobby Shane, the King of Wrestling, is now open. This is a tremendous opportunity for the right young lady.

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he was the boy wonder as a teenager. He was being thought of and probably had served a couple times as a book and Bill Dundee told me that when he and George Barnes were in Australia, Bobby Shane told them, you want to go to America, you want to go to Tennessee to work for Jerry Jarrett, not Nick Gullis, Jerry Jarrett. He can get you over.

And Shane's the one that gave Lawler the fucking crown in Georgia. When Jarrett sent talent down to help the, you know, the Georgia side. during the wrestling war and gave the king gimmick. And Lawler stole a bunch of, I say stole, researched, a bunch of Shane's unique wrestling style. Now when, since nobody has really ever seen Shane, the stuff that Lawler was doing was unique to him

because nobody had ever seen the Bobby Shane stuff. But I mean, all, he was, he was already getting guys' positions. and being discussed as a not only a future booker, but a future potential champion and working in main events in all the NWA territories. So that's sad. One of the biggest booking what-ifs, if he had lived,

what booking jobs would he have gotten? Probably, I would think, because of the amount of places that he'd already been, the amount of territories he'd already worked and worked on top, he had good relationships with a lot of the promoters and especially Barnett. That's why he was in Australia. Because, you know, he was working for Barnett. And I think he would have probably had a bunch of them because he was so young.

He was still in his 20s at this point. All right, Jim, one final program here this week. The opening contest, one fall 20-minute time limit. Pierre La Chappelle versus Jean Anderson A feature event One fall 30 minute time limit Zaya Nandor

from Budapest versus George Costi from Moose Jaw The semi windup Best two out of three falls 45 minute time limit George Scott and Nick Pockwinkle

versus Clyde Steeves and Dave Rule, R-U-H-L. Okay, okay. And finally, the main event, a handicap match, best two out of three falls, one-hour time limit. Ramon Torres

and Alberto Torres versus Killer Kowalski. Okay. Year is going to take me a second. As soon as you said Gene Anderson, I thought, why, we're in the Carolinas in the old days. Gene in the opening match, but that is not to be.

George Scott and Nick Bockwinkle teaming up. This was the time period where George was teaming up with Sandy, but I assume maybe Sandy might have been injured or whatever. And Clyde Steves, was he not? God damn, he wore, he was a masked guy.

Had some of, other gimmick. God damn, was it Superman or masked something or other of that nature? Raymond and Alberto Torres were a

longtime baby faces in the business and were over in a variety of places from California to Georgia. And Alberto was the one in the match with ox in

Iowa or wherever the fuck it was. ox's second confirmed kill and obviously killer Quowalsky could have been anywhere but what Dave Rule was for years a popular featured guy in the stampede territory in Calgary

and I know that the Scott brothers worked Calgary I know that this is far enough back that Gene Anderson could have been a rookie from Minnesota by this point. This is the early to mid-60s. And I just, I can't, I don't remember Dave Rule being featured anywhere else,

although this could be Portland, and once again, I'm crazy, but I'm going to go Calgary in 1963. The date Thursday, December 14th, 1961. Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada. Okay. Well, it could have been Calgary. It could have been vagina. Whichever one it was is up there in Canada.

I think it's Saskatchewan. Is it Saskatchewan or is it Alberta? Just as Regina. No. It's Saskatchewan. No, that's Saskatchewan. Because that was Stampede wrestling covered, that's why the trips were so brutal and miserable.

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Fun and games. Fun and games. Here on the show. It's been a little while since we've talked about retro figures and I've got a bunch of the newest latest retro wrestling figures here on my desk, seemingly all over my desk. Let's talk about some of these, Jim.

These are the first figures I have in my hand at Andre the Giant and a macho man, Randy Savage, from the power-packed wrestlers line by figure collections. And these figures are in the vein of the Star Wars figures, the classic three and three-quarter inch figures where the arms go up and down, the legs go up and down, the head going. The arms go up and down. Danger, danger, Will Robinson. The legs go, or the head go side to side, but that's it. The legs spread apart.

Well, again, these are the first two figures. I have to say I'm really digging these, and they were nice enough when I purchased these to send a bonus Andre the Giant yet to come out, so thank you. I collect Andre's stuff. But it also has some of the upcoming figures, including Kona Brian Adams, because they can't use Crush, I guess. and referee Mike Iota in Star Wars figure form. That's an odd pairing there.

Does he get his own referee or? So 1977 Star Wars comes out. You weren't terribly interested. Were you at all interested in the toys? Actually, here's the thing I was kind of interested, but the fucking chaos surrounding the goddamn movie. I think I've told you this. Everything was sold out and people were going multiple times and the theaters were packed.

And at that point in time, I was either going to see like Caddy Shack to watch Rodney Dangerfield or if I was taking a girl to a theater to see a movie, I wanted an empty theater. So I never got around to see in Star Wars. And then I was on the road a lot. But in terms of the marketing behind it and the kinds of figures that were all of a sudden being produced because there never really had been those kind of figures, scale, three and three quarter inch, better than the Migo figures. Yes.

Did you have any thoughts about the toys? I never had any of those. I never got any of those. No, I didn't. All right. Well, now, for those who have them, you can have your adventures with Chewbacca, Hans Solo, and Andre the Giant, who is the galaxy, or perhaps macho man Randy Savage, drops in on tattooing.

But these are very, very cool with more to come. and if those Andres that were sent to me or for sale, please let me know it. I'd have to buy more. Yes. But those are the new power-packed wrestlers. Jim's adding a lot to this segment. Let's see.

We have here from our friends over at KWK, K-Fabe Heroes. Now they've got some nice figures. You've sent me some of their figures, and they have really fine figures. Our friend Sean Ng over there produces some nice figures, and the latest are three variants. Let me pull them out. And the other one's missing here somewhere on the desk.

There we go. Well, of course, Jim, what I have here are three variants of Bolnikano. Bull Nicano with her trade. I've heard that she had several variants. Well, this one has blue hair. There's one here with yellow hair. And, of course, green hair, all with the trade. Mark Nunchucks.

Any thoughts on Bull Nicano? Well, did they make her anatomically correct? What the hell does that mean? They made it look like Bull Nicano. It's a women's wrestler in the Hasbro style. Well, it depends on how much can you take off of her. Again, these are not toys to strip, ladies and gentlemen. I think most of the audience probably understands that.

But Bull Nacano, when you were there, she had a great feud with a lundrable. Yes, she did. Alundra Blaze, also known as Medusa Machelli. They had a number of matches. Yes, they did. And many of them were rip-s-norters. By the way, some of the upcoming figures in this line, which are available for pre-order, the Orient Express of Pat Tanaka and Cato, flash funk, complete with hat and fur.

Is it a boa or a robe or whatever it is? and here's one that work for you. I'll be interested in when this comes out. There's a couple of variants, Well Done, the team of Well Done. Timothy Well and Stephen Dunn, who were Rex King and Steve Doll. Which were better names.

Yes, which were better names, but it wouldn't have worked. That was again, they were caught in the early 90s, WWF, we're going to rename everybody these goofy names. Well, I guess that's not really connected to her. just constricted to just that time period. But they got those names and then Rex King lived in Nashville. And I'm trying to remember Steve Dahl, Steve Dunn may have lived there also. I'm not sure.

But that's why when the WWF didn't have anything for them, they asked me, well, you want well done? Well, okay, they live in Nashville. I'll try to help out. and that's what, they were an early opponent of the thrill seekers, Storm and Jericho. They were formerly the Southern Rockers, if you remember. Yeah, that would have been a better gimmick, too, but... Here's a question for you. I don't know if I've ever asked you this, but enough people are dead now that maybe you'll answer it.

Enough people are dead or in prison now that maybe you'll answer it. What exactly went down with Tammy and Rex King, although that wasn't his real name, obviously, and Chris Candido and how big of a distraction was it for you in the locker room for however long a period of time? Well, no, what do you mean? To talk about putting her in the trunk?

Oh, I don't know. I heard that there was some sort of nuclear heat between Chris Candido and Rex King and it was over Tammy Sitch and they were gone shortly after that. No, no, no, no, you got to. I've told this story before, but it's maybe it's been a while.

But, no, it was Rex King and Chris Candido and Tammy were riding back from one of the, I guess like the Eastern Kentucky towns one night in the middle of the night. And Tammy kept Natterin and had, you know, ticked Rex King off and Rex King's stirring her up. And finally, Rex King decides he's going to talk Candido into going to the mouse's ear, the strip club. You ain't got any balls if you don't tell you. we got to stop by the strip club on the way back.

Tammy's like, we're not going to the strip club? And again, I'm not doing justice to the story, but one way or another, Rex King had told Tammy that if you don't shut up, we're going to stop and put you in a trunk. And then she didn't and they did. And they made her ride 10 or 15 miles, I guess, in the trunk and it got her out.

She wouldn't talk to anybody. I can't remember whether they actually, they may have gone by the, mouse's ear. But that's the only thing I remember of a big whoopty-do between Tammy and Rex King. But you don't remember a Chris Candido Rex King locker room fighter or something was going down. No, I don't think they were ever mad at each other. It just Chris was, he was getting, you know, shamed in front of one of the boys as to,

aren't you going to do something? So we put her in the trunk. By the way, Suzanne knows how much I love her. And I love her and I know she loves me. I don't know if we'd stay together if I just threw her in the trunk to drive 10 miles home and then let her out. Like, all right, we're home now. Come on out. Well, but it's because there's only 10 miles, you know. All right.

I mean, obviously, I wasn't in the car. I heard these stories secondhand later on that week or whatever. Well, Jim, another new figure here from a new figure line. This is from Russell Feds by Toy Notion. I believe it comes out of England. Their first figure is Davy Boy Smith. They put out three different variants of the British Bulldog with his cornrows and his giant Union Jack flag

attached to his arms with the words Bulldog on it, as famously seen in SummerSlam 92. There's pants that are, well, three different varieties of pants, I guess is the best way to look at this. A beautiful, beautiful figure, I have to say, they've done a great job and they have a Randy Savage. They just announced that it looks like it may be the nicest Randy Savage I've ever seen. But in terms of Davey Boy Smith, you saw his early days on video.

He managed him in the mid-90s. When he wrestled at SummerSlam 92, as bulked up as he ever was with the cornrows. You saw him throughout his career. What do you think was his best look? I never got the cornrows for Davy because it's not like he's a, you know, Rastafarian or whatever the fuck. And it just,

and I think it may have hurt later on because remember when he went back to regular hair, he'd started getting a little thin. I'm wondering if having all that shit tad in his hair for a while possibly hampered him. But the best look, I don't know, but his best work in the ring was that early 80s period

where he had he had gotten bigger than young David where he was big around as a hiccup and just skinny when he was a teenager but at the same time he hadn't gotten so big like he and dynamite both by 85 when they were just gas to the gills

to try to compete with you know they were in the land of the giant somewhere in between was where he was best in the ring. But the thing I think that that was amazing about Davy is that even as he gained that weight and got that big and I'm not talking about as big as he ever was like SummerSlam 92, but I mean, just when I managed him, he was still incredibly strong. I mean, his fucking just lifting strength was insane. But he could still move and do the fucking heads.

stand walk over onto his feet and all that stuff, even at that size. You know, it's a shame that he had to, in some respects, gain that much weight to try to, you know, hang with the bigger guys because he was such a great athlete. But best look wasn't the cornrows. I liked all the Union Jack stuff and the robes and the flags and the pageantry because he was the British Bulldog. fit. But I think regular hair was, and maybe

not gas to the point where he looked like, you know, he was going to explode. Somewhere in the middle. Pants are trunks. Trunks. Really? Why, if you've got a body that looks that good, why cover

it up? See, that's like the Vince McMahon thing, the Jericho, that apparently he said the Chris Jericho, and that's when Jericho went to trunks, but there are certain guys, whether they have good legs or not, the pants just fit them better and it looks bad I would thought Davy in the pants

was better than Davy in the trunks I thought he looked good in trunks. All right, we'll see what the listeners think about that. All right, Jim, I have a couple toys here from zombie sailor toys. These are not necessarily wrestling but they're done in the Hasbro style

from the movie Blood Sport. Jean-Claude Van Dam as Frank Ducks Or Frank Ducks I know it is Frank Ducks Frank Ducks And you got all your ducks in a row Chong Lee better known as Bolo From Enter the Dragon

Quickly any thoughts on John Cod Van Dam And the era of the new martial arts action hero In the late 80s early 90s With John Claude Van Dam and Kickboxer and Bloodsport And of course Stephen Seagal Yeah they're all fucking clowns. I mean

there it is folks you heard of you know I mean there's Stephen Seagall he's a have you seen him now he's a fat plastic haired fuck that got all weird

and thinks he's some kind of secret agent and Jean-Claude Van Damme who knocked him out what's the guy's name? Chuck Zito. Help Chuck Zito you know

it's just a bunch of like a latter day Chuck Norris Chuck Norris was another white guy that wanted to be a goddamn kung fu star. I don't think any of the goddamn... And don't even start on David Caridine trying to, you know, adopt the whole goddamn Western mysticism thing for his fucking gimmick. But no, they're not Bruce Lee. They're not even Jackie Chan.

I always thought they all sucked. And have you ever seen a worse television show, worse acted, worse written than Walker, Texas Ranger with a worse theme song? You know what? I've never watched a single episode of Walker, Texas Ranger. They've got the shit on now right after Superman on heroes and icons, Handy TV on Sunday afternoons. You go from the adventures of Superman to fucking Walker, Texas Ranger.

It's a goddamn letdown. But Noah always thought all those guys sucked. Me TV just debuted Aaron Spelling Sundays. with heart to heart, what is it, heart to heart? Charlie's Angels, love boat, and... Yeah. There's a fourth one, I'm not remembering. I don't know, but I'll like their Sundays better when they had five hours of untouchables.

Well, they'll have to rotate it at some point. Jim, demolition is still very popular, seemingly all over the place, multiple lines of toys that put out demolition figures in the last couple of months. I have ones here from, I believe these are called Matt Maniacs, a unique take on the Hasbro style, I guess you could say, and the best ones here, at the same time WWE put out their first official demolition figures in years. The unsanctioned line from ringside collectibles, I think, put out a much better demolition.

Axe and smash with their bondage gear. I guess that's what we would call it. Demolition. Are you casting aspersions on them and Bill Eady and poor old Barry Darso and their various habits and proclivities? If they want to wear bondage gear, there's nothing, no shame in that. Demolition stole the big, the big one that stands out, I guess you could say, for the Hall of Fame, not to take anything away from you in the Midnight Express, but in terms of the WWF tag teams. Well, yes, exactly.

And that's the thing is that as far as a WWF, or E Hall of Fame, you know, demolition work there. They were actually there. And now they've put a line of figures out. Now that Vince is out of the equation, have they forgiven people who were involved in the lawsuits? Are they now going to recognize some of these people who they have not welcomed back into the fold in the past?

I'm no longer willing to concede that Vince is out of the equation, just that maybe he's been minimized. I don't know what's... But you know what I'm saying, as far as all of his particular grudges, they're not just following all those to a T anymore. Well, again, a lot of the retro toy makers, Latunie's done a bunch of stuff with demolition. They have a few things about to come out. There's like a two-foot-tall demolition about to come out. But they've been doing a lot of these independent things, and then all of a sudden they got a new WWE deal.

I always said, the fastest way to get a WWE toy deal is do a toy with someone else. And then they'll say, well, you have to come do it with us. and they put out their demolition at the same time ringside collectibles put out theirs and I think ringside collectibles did a better job of capturing Axon smash.

The helmet fits on smash his head. The WWE one has a helmet that doesn't even fit on his head. But those are those and finally Jim, let's wrap up with a few things from... Oh, you've got the new Power Town figures? Well,

apparently Power Town is a big update in that nothing's happened. They've stolen everyone's money. They've done nothing. And if they have a problem with me saying that, come after me. Because at this point, it's ridiculous. They're scared to show their face at this point, aren't they?

Magnum T.A. should be embarrassed to go to another convention. I'm sure he won't be. Wrestlers, even if you like them, they have no shame. They'll show up anywhere. But he should be ashamed to show himself in person again, considering not just his role in this whole thing, but the attitude he had months ago. Whenever, you know, whatever we were waiting for then,

that the figures will be ready by November, or that I'm waiting for the money, which I'm guessing still hasn't come. But where's everyone else's money? And how much is Greg Guy been paid? And how much did you guys think you were going to get from investors? See, that's the problem. All the companies we've talked about so far,

all these independent toy makers doing their own thing, producing cool stuff, in small batches. They do it. They get the money, either pre-order or they build up enough reputation and they have enough money behind them. They could do it without pre-order. But they go out there, they produce the product, they deliver it. These guys, I believe, thought we're going to collect all this money.

We're going to have Greg Gagne sign up everyone he could possibly find wrestlers that you've never heard of. Sign up everyone you can. and we're going to say to an investor, we've got all this money, we've got all these wrestlers, give us more money, and we'll make these toys for these people that paid.

And I don't think anyone's going to do it. That was the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, catching point in the whole thing was, they thought they were actually going to get people to, to invest in this, thinking, oh, it's a, going to be a mega deal. These people were out of the toy business.

for 30 years. And same thing happens when you're out of the toy business for 30 years, when you're out of the wrestling business for 30 years. You can't, everybody you go back to talk to is dead. But that's the problem, I think. There's people that are basically like one-man teams, but two people getting an artist,

getting someone to help with packaging, you get people to help you. But small groups of people trying to do this as opposed to you haven't done anything and you have a whole bunch of executives. What the fuck is that? Who are you trying to entice

to give you guys money to make Eddie Auger figures? Who? Go on Shark Tank. Let's see Greg Gagne. Go on Shark Tank. We'll see what happens to them. No update on them.

But Jim, let's wrap things up. Yes. Figure wise. One more figure. The latest from Hastel Toys. I'll mention a few things here. they put out their three-pack of Phineas Godwin, Uncle Cletus, and Henry O. Godwin, that brief period of time where I even forgot about this, Tony Anthony was Uncle Cletus. Uncle Cletus. Do you have any memories of this? I have no memory of this whatsoever. Yes. It was for about three months because, I mean, you know, they had Tony around and the Godwins liked him. He liked them. So he became their Uncle Cletus to.

to almost no acclaim whatsoever, because it was, again, the whole thing was the, people were rebelling at this point. The fans were on Vince's gimmicks that were stuck in wherever the fuck they were stuck in. They weren't even done believably like they would have been in the territories. They were dressed up.

T.L. Hopper was the cleanest plumber I'd ever seen. So Vince loved, hillbillies and thought, well, we'll give them, remember the scuffling hillbillies had a manager, cousin Alfred. Well, Uncle Cletus, same thing. Well, again, these are in the Hasbro style and also in the Hasbro style. Another manager of the Godwins and, of course, a wrestler on his own, Hillbilly Jim. Hillbilly Jim from a former batch of hillbillies, he crossed over to the next generation of

Billis? Come to the, I forgot they had Hillbilly Jim with the Godwins too at one point. Yes, they were very clannish

those mountain folk. How different would his, I mean, his career would have been totally different. How different would things have been if his, I guess his knee injury,

his leg injury hadn't been so bad that he couldn't be a full-time wrestler from, what, 87, 88 on? You know, Jim,

and I love Jim as a person, and I saw him but I think the last time was at the Hall of Fame thing. In 2017, we ended up on the same bus. Friendly, great personality. He was not, you know, in ring, he was not a world-class Hall of Fame wrestling talent. But he had the personality and the gimmick.

I think, actually, it was probably better for him the way that it happened in that. that Hillbilly Jim got over really strong for what, about three years, and then he got hurt, but he was able to transition into doing the thing with him for Coliseum Video, where he was the spokesman and did appearances. He, you know, a guy, no bad habits, isn't going to get arrested or end up in a newspaper,

great at talking to sponsors and doing media and shit like that. I mean, a couple more years of, you know, Hillbilly Jim and he would have ended up like a lot of the 80s guys were when, you know, the 90s came around and their shit was stale. And then would they have taken him in WCW at that point in time where he'd had to start a brand new gimmick? Because he was only in the business for about a year before he became Hilba. He was Harley Davidson.

He's from Bowling Green, Kentucky. broke him in in Memphis. He and Roger Smith were partners. Dirty Roads and Harley Davidson. And then Jimmy Hart put the word in for him. But I think he drew a check without having to take bumps for years and years and years from the company rather than being one of the guys that just aged out after a couple years in that spot. And he didn't, his in ring and presentation and gimmick didn't fit the attitude error. Well, Jim, finally wrapping things up for the Hastel toy hillbilly figures. The Godwins from the Regium line, these are the brand new,

I guess akin to the Mattel figures for wrestlers that are not in the Mattel line, of the Godwins with golden horseshoe and hats that come off. Any thoughts on the Godwins? What kind of hats don't come off? Well, sometimes figures have hats. hats that are attached to the head, they don't come off. Well, fuck, we need to get a surgeon on this. How much did you get

to see of Tech Slassinger and Shanghai Pierce? Not that much. I mean, I've seen video, but that was Henry and Phineas Godwin in WCW and some independence. But, you know,

both those get great guys. Asperate of Phineas, hilarious as shit. And I hate that Henry had the neck issue and had to quit so early. But, you know, again, they got, they got some notoriety because of the gimmick, but that gimmick because of, you know,

was pushed because of Vince's predilections and was not going to, it's not going to last through the attitude era or really any modern era without Vince pushed it because it was just so, Talk about being behind the time. The scuffling hillbillies were a big deal in the fucking late 50s, early 60s. And Vince just could never let it go. Well, Jim, with that, we will let it go in terms of the classic figures.

And of course, for Midnight Express figures, for Jim Cornett with Stan Lane and Bobby Eaton, and of course, Dennis Condry, you can get those figures at Cornett's collectibles, Jim Cornett.com. or just me by myself. While they last, there's three left, I think. You need a friend. I don't think they should just get you by yourself. He'll be an isolated figure.

Well, then put me up next to one of those sex toys that Kenny Omega used to have matches with. And you can sell us as a pair. But yes, Jimcornet.com, the man in white, the pink and black, and the Santa Corny is still available. Everything else is sold out. And the Midnight Express figures are still available.

available, especially that four-pack at amazingly low prices. Jim cornet.com. All right, Jim, well, before we wrap things up, why don't we once again pick up where we left off last time a little bit about the Dallas Wrestling War of 1953. It goes into 1954, but we're specifically looking at May of 1953, the period around the burning of the Sportatorium. Well, yes, and we were talking about this on the previous show that we did. and now you have uncovered some stuff, and not only that,

but we may not get into all of this today, because our friend Adam Spring, Adam Spring, Adam Smith, sprang up again over from East. Where does Spring come from? I don't know. Spring is here. Adam Smith from East Yorkshire, England sent us a bunch of history and documentation from research that he has done,

but apparently this thing was even more heated than, no pun intended, than what we thought it was, the promotional war, and there is actually footage still in existence of the Sportatorium burning and some of the courtroom scene from when they sentenced the guy that did it, that you've found when you did some of your research on this. It's amazing. One of the crazy things about the burning of the Sportatorium footage, it's actually happening.

It's that night, May 1st. After you see it burning for a while, they turned the camera. There's Ed McElmore, like in the night, watching the building burn. It's like, oh, man, that's a pretty strong image. And it also, I guess it burned the whole building down. I was told when I was there that, oh, yeah, that flat wall. is where they just, they built it part of the way back, but the whole building burned.

And apparently there was also a problem with the city and the land that the sportatorium was on at the time. And they had already given the sportatorium word that they had to move the building or do something because the city was claiming ownership of a third of the land that the building sat on. having said that, I don't know how that made any difference to what actually was rebuilt because the only thing that was there was a big gravel parking lot.

So I don't know, we still haven't found out how the city dispute was settled and they built the building back, but it was not as large when they built it back as it was of the original building in 1936, so apparently the original place may have held 8,000 or more. Well, Jim, going to the May 12th, 1953 program, and again, these were produced

in advance of the week's show. These were mailed out to people. McLemore-Sarpola's back together. Doc versus NWA. Doc resigned NWA and TWA

joins McElmore. Macomore welcomes back his old partner. Those are so far just the headlines. Any early thoughts on the headlines here? Well, yeah, that was the way the old newspapers used to do it. They would give you like six or eight parts of the story in headline form before they'd get into it. But Doc Sarpolis had been a long, for decades even at this point, longstanding member of the wrestling scene in Texas and was,

in later years close to Dory Funk Senior and of, you know, integral part of Amarillo wrestling. But Sarpolis had apparently been working with Ed, or working with the opposition and Morris Siegel in the Houston office and then saw that Ed McLemore

maybe still was going to win this thing and turned right before the fire. He left the opposition and went back to Maclemore. Well, here is the article. Matchmaker Carl Doc Sarpolis, who once left medical school to become a professional wrestler and later left wrestling to become promoter Ed McElmore's Dallas Matchmaker,

is back with McLemore now, exclamation point. Doc's first day of work with McElmore consisted mostly of reviewing past great things in Dallas wrestling history, and promising each other, greater days for Dallas wrestling fans, under a promotion with no fears of any syndicate. Sarpolos's picture in the wrestling war was a perplexing one. At first, he thought his place was with the National Wrestling Alliance. With that early conclusion, he stayed with the Houston outfit referred to in the papers as TWA.

Just lately, April 28th, to be exact, he severed that connection. Doc stated that his reasons were because of foul tactics employed and contemplated by McElmore's opposition. Whatever the outcome of his resignation or the so-called wrestling war, that's in quotes, Doc was determined to have no more part of the opposition strategy. It was then that he went to Macklemore and asked him if he wanted any help. McClermore was happy to rejoin with Sarpolis, and the combination that built Dallas into the top-mat town of the nation

was once again reunited. Doc stated that after seeing the vicious methods employed by the opposition, he decided that his side was with McElmore in the best interest of wrestling. Sarpolis cited the instance of the alliance blackballing any wrestler who worked with McElmore in opposition to any alliance promoter. Any wrestler who worked with McElmore was automatically blackballed by all other alliance promoters just for wrestling for an honest promoter who wouldn't take orders from the alliance, an alliance that is supposed to protect the wrestlers and the wrestling fans. I'll stop there for a moment. Any thoughts? Well, I guess we've kind of confused some of the folks out there,

and this is a long and contrived situation. But Morris Siegel, as we mentioned, was the promoter in Houston, and Houston was the city in Texas for wrestling, and the booking office worked out of Houston, and Dallas and McLemore had originally used that talent, but then there was heat and and uh adams research indicates that basically seagull said i had a heart attack in 1952 and while that was going on macklemore and doc sarpolis tried to move the booking office from houston to to dallas and cut him out and when he recovered and seagull was the

NWA member, that's where the instigation of the war started. And also there was problems with the sportatorium and McLemore had been doing a lot of television. And the guys in those days were pissed about being on television without getting paid extra and also didn't want to be seen doing jobs by everybody in Texas when they did them at the house shows. so they wanted extra money. It wasn't just taxes.

Well, yeah, that was an everywhere thing, but in this case, McLemore agreed to pay him extra and then stopped doing it. And so Siegel tried to bring in the NWA talent from Houston and run opposition, but McLemore was still outdrawing him in large part using odd names at best, but because he was the incumbent and had the Sportatorium, which was the building that everybody was used to,

to go in. So finally, when Sarpolis said, oh, you know, maybe he heard about, if not the specific threat, we're going to burn that place down, just what they were planning to do and said, I don't want to be involved in this. I'm going back over to the other side. But it wasn't, what was it, days after Sarpolis went back that the Sportatorium burned down. Well, back to the article. the subheading to beat NWA.

However, McElmore and Sarpolis intend to prove to the world and to the NWA that top-notch wrestlers are not afraid of the alliance. Already, even before Sarpolus's arrival, wrestlers such as George Bolus, Frankie and Paul Murdoch, Ellis Bouchara,

and Vic Holbrook were enlisting on Maclemore. side. Wrestlers such as Danny Savage, Danny McShane, Duke Keaumuka, and many others

will break the barrier before long, it is predicted. Let's stop there for a second. He's predicting wrestlers are going to jump. Well, he's probably already

talked to some of them. If the other side's not doing well and the payoffs are down, then he say, hey, you can make more money working for me. If it doesn't materialize, it doesn't matter because people forget about it.

And if it does, he can say, see, I told you so. So that was a thing that a lot of guys would do. If there was somebody on the other side that the fans wanted to see, then they would say, don't worry about going to see them over there. They'll be here soon. Just keep coming to my matches. Well, here it is in writing. The blackballing of such wrestlers was one of the tactics that Sarpolis objected to

strenuously, such tactics that put McElmore's back to the wall. have not been enough. What were the other methods that might force McElmore out of the wrestling business? They were strong enough methods to force a man of Sarpolis's character to leave such organizations, but not strong enough to make him quit the fight. A new sportatorium will arise on the same site

of the one burned down, and your favorite wrestlers will be competing there before too long. So let's stop there. Again, it's fascinating how it's playing out in public in writing in these programs every week. Because while this is going on, the rival promotion at Pappy Showland, which was a burlesque venue from the best I can gather, they were running weekly shows too, and they were doing programs. On the same night, most of the time. So you'd have, like, not just competing shows, but competing narratives in the programs.

That's what makes this a little different than a lot of other wrestling wars. Any other thoughts, Jim? Oh, I thought you were going to give me the competing narrative. Oh, well, I have it for the next week, actually. Well, there you go. I have... Because the narrative changes from week to week. Well, I have here the...

Again, the programs we're going from right now are called Rasslin, Dallas-style. And these are the ones for Ed McElmore. So again, they're at the live stock pavilion on May 19, 1953. I won't do the articles in this because I just did those, but just trying to see. And by the way, I'll say real quick, I mentioned the footage. That's the University of Texas. It has this archival footage. Is that correct?

I believe so. I believe so, yeah. But yeah, they have, and there's no sound, but they have the scripts of the evening newscast that they obtained some kind of way. that gives you what the broadcaster was saying over the top of the foot, but there's footage actually of the fire and of these reprobates that they hauled into court for the arson and the whole story behind that, it's amazing. Let's skip around a little bit.

If we go a few months later to July, they're competing head-to-head with the show of Pappies, which has Mildred Burke on top. So with Jack Pfeffer, they bring in a fabulous movie. Mula. She's on the cover here. Slave girl Mula. World's champion, world's greatest girl wrestler, an African wildcat, world's strangest woman.

The nickname just went downhill from the start. A page two, Jim. And that's the thing also as that started, this was early in the ill will between Mulla and Mildred Burke because the McLemore office was also using elephant boy, right? Tony Olivas, who... That's right.

Mula had been the valet for and knew well, and then Mula comes in to work for McLemore as the NWA office in Siegel is promoting Mildred Burke. Well, page two has a photo of a young woman, dressed hillbilly style, I would almost say, barefoot, blowing a bubble gum, or blowing a bubble with bubble gum. Blowing a bubble gum?

Well, she's blowing a bubble, and it says, Daisy May. Daisy May. Bubble gum champ. Mistress of the mule kick. Tomboy from the Ozarks, leading favorite of national mat fans everywhere. Do you know who this is? That was Daisy May. The hillbillies worked for the girls, too.

There was also the Kentucky hillbilly girl, LVirus Snodgrass. And remember she's the one that the whatever happened to Gorgeous George book from the early 70s, in their listing of big gates and crowds, said that there was a match in Louisville, Kentucky, in 1941 between Mildred Burke and L.Virus Snodgrass that drew 18,000 people. and that spread amongst wrestling historians for years until John Cosper bless him did the research and showed me how to do research in the newspaper files before it was online downtown at the library they had six matches in 1941 at the armory the old Louisville gardens that drew 6,000 people

of peace. But there was never a match in Louisville that drew 18,000 people. But point being, Elvirus Snodgrass was the first hillbilly girl wrestler and then Daisy May for a while, I believe if this is the same one or just, you know,

a ripoff or whatever, but was a big hillbilly girl in the 50s. Elvirus Snodgrass ended up losing her arm at a car wreck and actually wrestled one or two matches with only one arm. This is July 7th, 1953, weeks after, or a couple months after, the Sportatorium burned down.

Here's the card. Louis Martinez versus Johnny Shaw. Ray Perrette versus Irish Jack Kennedy. One of Fephyrs guys. Mr. America, Eastern World's Champion, defends the title against El Diablo from Parts Unknown. There's a picture of El Diablo. He looks like a generic mask guy. And the main event...

Would that Mr. America have been Eric Peterson? It may be. It's certainly not a Stanley. That was, Don Fargo was pitching when he got sideways with Jackie in the early 60s was pitching to Jack Feffer that he and Eric Peterson wanted to go as a team called the Mr. America's. And see if he could get him book because Don Fargo was a bodybuilder in Pittsburgh in the late 40s when he got into business. and Eric Peterson was, I think, some kind of legitimate bodybuilding champion at some point. Well, Jim, the main event for the World Championship slave girl Mula versus Darling Dagmar, TV star,

for the world title and Diamond Belt, two out of three falls, 60 minute time, oh, 90-minute time limit, it looks like. Referee Leo Voss and Ray Carter, excuse me. Darling Dagmar In modern times modern being the late 60s and through the 70s

little darling Dagmar was the top midget girl the baby face midget girl in Mullah's stable and she was programmed all over the country with Diamond Lil who was the heel girl but there was a busty blonde

big breastaged woman named Dagmar that was on early television as a star of a program called Broadway Open House. And she became like the first female TV star, and she was just kind of like the Vanah White of the thing, you know, the parsley on the plate. But so they concocted a girl wrestler that was named Darling Dagmar to make the people think that it was going to be this big titty blonde woman they'd seen on TV.

The most bootleg wrestler I've ever seen right here. Black Snake is just a guy with a mask on wearing a shirt with a snake on his shoulder. Eight feet of deadly snake. Wrestling's newest sensation to return soon. And then to beat that, there's a masked woman on the back cover. Coming soon, the Red Tigris. The only masked girl wrestler

who is challenging Mula for a shot at the title. So Jim, we'll end with this. And this was before that Mula had any claim anywhere else on the World Women's title, 1953. That tournament was not in Baltimore, it wasn't until 56, right? I believe so.

Byers and Burke's match was in 1954, so this was completely an outlaw girl's title, and Mula had it already. That was July 7th, 1953. We'll end with this, July 14th, 1953. The competitors, the opposition, Dallas wrestling, at Pappy Showland, where you see wrestlers a proven ability. And I bet Pappy was happy.

There's a photo of Mildred Burke on the cover, and it says, The lady is a real champion, and here are some facts. Mildred Burke is the only, and that's in caps, the only champion of the world in the girls' division of the game. This is a fact, proven and attested to by the state of Texas and all the affiliated states, the National Wrestling Alliance, and the National Wrestling Association. We make this statement because we believe that the Dallas fans should always know the truth.

About six weeks ago, we exploded. a lot of extravagant claims and challenges which were being made on behalf of an imposter named Roy Dunn. Ray Gungle offered to wrestle him and Dunn has not been seen nor heard of in Dallas or the rest of Texas since. And now, let me just say again,

if you didn't hear our previous segment, Roy Dunn was a former hot shot shooter in the NCAA who was a really legitimate wrestler who was on Sam Muchnick's first show that he promoted in St. Louis in 1945. And Dunn was the guy that McLemore's office was claiming could beat Luthez because Dunn was a, and I think he went to the Olympics, as a matter of fact,

now that I'm thinking about it, Dunn. And Ray Gunkel was the former NCAA wrestling champion in what the late 40s, 48, 49, later on would become part of the Georgia office and that whole thing with the Ann Gunkel, his wife and the Georgia Wrestling War, but Gunkel was a shooter also that the NWA had that they would respond when Dunn would challenge Thess.

Well, you got to beat Gunkel first. And that kind of thing, because all of this, this was the promoters presenting the case to the fans. It wasn't about who's going to have the best matches or who does the best wrestling moves. The only way for one promotion in those days to beat the other one is for them to legitimately make the fans believe we got the real tough guys. Our wrestlers can beat their wrestlers. That was the defining point. the fans went to the promoter that they were used to and that they knew in the building they were used to and they knew to see the wrestlers that they believed were the toughest.

And if you could embarrass the opposition by punking their guys out in some kind of way, it legitimately made a difference in business in those days. If I said that, understandably. I think so. and let's finish this program, everything here again. This is all from the front cover of the program. Back to the Roy Dunn part, Jim. At that time, we asked you to remember the incident when further claims were made by the man

who used to promote wrestling in Dallas, but is now running a sideshow featuring frauds and freaks. We asked you then to weigh carefully whatever you heard or read, and to believe the people who had given you good reason to have faith in them. Right now, the other promotion, at Freak Park, has reached a new low, but has headed even lower.

You will hear many more false claims, see new belts dusted off each week, and champions, in quotes, crowned. What is more important, new efforts made to belittle your intelligence and pull the wool over your eyes. All we ask of you is to weigh the claims made, remember the phony done incident, and to put your faith in the men who give you honest advertising, and stand behind the claims they make. How's that for a rebuttal on the front page of this program? And you know, the thing is, they did have, the NWA office had names when you're talking about around the country, they had names, but McLemore had the building and the guys that he could get locally and from Feffer that he could build, that it was still the home team kind of thing.

And, you know, it's hard to unseat the incumbent. The livestock pavilions, or as I call it, Freak Park. Yeah. And that's Feffer. I mean, again, shut out of talent. It really, I mean, you hate to say it, but it really was a syndicate. It really was a situation where you're going to have a tough time getting talent. Who do you call?

Jack Pfeffer. Yeah. You don't know what you're going to get. But you know you'll get a bunch of shit. You'll just get a whole bunch of stuff. You'll get something. Hopefully something sticks. Yeah, hopefully something sticks.

But we will continue our look at the Dallas Wrestling War in the future. Any final thoughts here this week? well again i'm just i'm amazed that there is footage of the actual sportatorium burning and it looked like because it was built in 1936 and it was a a wood and tin building at that point and then they burned it down and built it back and what just a few months so the the construction of that thing was never meant to be you know a modern sports palace it was always a goddamn glorified pole barn It was built up in the time

it takes the Saudis to put up a stadium for the Royal Rumble. Yeah. Got it up quick. But you know, the Big D. Jamboree had to get back on the fucking stage. I think one of the things we either read or one of the other things I saw, the Big D.

Jamboree didn't even miss a date. Like the Sportatory Bird die, they heard it like, we'll be over here at Freak Park. Yeah. Well, with that, Jim, we'll continue this next time with part three. the drive-thru is closed. Right.

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