Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 427

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

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Hello again, friends. Those lyrics behind my music were not approved. And you are our friends and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through right here and another cold winter's day. I'm your host of Great Brian Last. Lots of wrestling talk. Yeah, and more. Yeah. With this man, the leader of the cult of Coronet, Mr. Jim Coronet. All the leaves are gone and the sky is gray and I went out for a walk and got hit by a garbage in a form of Brian's organ. You know, I was just the people couldn't see it. The people couldn't see it because I was grooving along with it.

I was doing the invisible keyboard thing because you started slow. You had the melody going all of the way there. And then suddenly you hit that note that as Robert Gibson said about the elbow dropped, that Bobby Eaton hit him off the top rope with in Philadelphia, in the World Tag title change in August of 1986. It felt like a bolt of lightning shot out the head of my dick. And it was, and then you were just running away from,

from what you'd done. That's just a southern expression. I don't take that of that as meaning too much, but I think, no, that had never been said before because that's literally what fucking happened. Bobby came off because we were working Hoots back, right? To get to heat,

we're working on his back. So Bobby came off the top rope with an elbow drop to his back, which is an unusual thing. And even Bobby every once in a while would throw a potato. And he landed on Hute in just such a way with that elbow to the back that afterwards, because I heard him go, ah! And after the match, he said it felt like a bolt of lightning shot out the head of his dick when Bobby hit him in the back with the elbow drop.

Well, that's kind of my sound. I guess that's the point of the whole thing. Dick Lightning? Dick Lightning and an old Nickelodeon. Wait a minute. I think we've got the newest rock star, Dick Lightning and his fucking pecker checkers. I think Dick Lightning was Tim Horner's nickname as a wrestler, wasn't it? No, it was his nickname all right, but not as a wrestler.

Maybe like Dick Dale. Dick Lightning. Could be one of those. Remember the ventures, the safaris, one of those guitar groups. You like surf guitar? All right. I like surf guitar. I do.

And I like the Tarantino used quite a bit of that stylisticness in his in his flicks, his features. That's right. But it's a very, it's a niche product. Well, Jim, like this program. Yeah. Well, let's get to the big topics. I'm in a good mood. I'm in a good mood today.

What's wrong? I'm positive. What did you just say? Did you just say what's wrong when I said I'm in a good mood today? What's wrong? That's right. That's right. What's wrong?

No, I'm feeling positive, as the Iron Sheik would say. Good to be positive. Because it's January. You know what this is for me, Brian? It has been all month. And I've really, the last few days, I've ignored the outside world. And I've applied myself to this. January is the organizing and planning month here at Castle Cornette.

And ever since New Year's, I have been going through when I get the time around our recording schedule or whatever of the business activities we got to do. I'm cleaning the house top to bottom. But it makes me feel good, but not just dusting and vacuuming. The cleaning out of the closets, the checking of the drawers, is everything organized, put everything in it's right place, get rid of shit we don't need, make a list of stuff we do need, that type of thing. And that way I feel like I'm attacking the year with a, and since last year, I didn't have time to do any of this shit.

I'm doing it for like two years. And also, I have met with Hotchka's Feather Bottom on stuff for Cornets Collectibles and the website this year, one of a kind wrestling memorabilia from my era vintage stuff we're looking at popping in with it we might start comic books this year you never know

I've still got oh five or six thousand might need a good home and also I have handed off to him 22 dozen actually a baker's two dozen 25 of the greatest wrestling photos that I have ever taken. So on this negative project and he's

going to scan him and soup him up now that he's mastered this scanner. He just sent some over to me. We did for another project. You can, I'm trying to figure out how to say that. The detail is such that you can see the seam in the colored backdrop that is hanging behind the guy that I'm taking, a picture up. It's incredible what he's able to do with these fucking things. So I'll send you some watermarked.

Yeah, please. Just in case. Sue's a seamstress, so I'd love to see it. Well, does she sew? Sue so's. See? See. All right. But anyway, so, and we're planning all kinds of business stuff and things and

everything. So this is the month. I'm feeling just wonderfully. optimistic about the shit that I'm going to get accomplished this year while the world burns around us. But I'm making the list like the wiggly hot water faucet handle in the downstairs bathroom needs to be replaced, that type of thing. And then I work off this for the next year. I feel very organized.

At Jimcornet.com. Oh, for heaven's sake. I'm not saying that to be... That was a great plug. That was a great plug. To be commercial, just that's the things that we're planning, and I'm cleaning and I'm planning personally and professionally so that I can have some type of coherent method of attack of the year 2026.

All right, sounds like you're on your way. I'm on my way out the door. If you don't pick this, this is your chair. All right, let's get going right now, Jim. I got our first question here. It was emailed the corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Tim. Hello, Jim. I've been listening

I've been listening for a while now and notice you at times mentioned that whore from Richmond me being from Richmond Indiana I was wondering if Jim knew the same whore the one I know was very good at her profession

and would be such an honor to know that I knew the same whore as you well no actually and unfortunately I wasn't thinking of Richmond Indiana when I it was more like a Richmond Virginia, but it was actually not speaking, as you'll recall, Brian, of any one specific

horror, but rather than just a metaphorical horror. It was what we were talking about if everybody set their phones to announce who was calling like poor old Uncle Dave did with his protege Tony Khan. I said the boys would be in the grocery store with the, you know, wife pushed a card down the aisle and her phone would go off. your whore from Richmond. That's just a metaphorical whore, but not from Indiana, from Virginia.

Sorry, Tim. Keep enjoying whatever you're doing, and, uh, I do know that, Richmond is a small town, though, Richmond, Indiana. For the longest time,

the town whore was a virgin. Well, it sounds like a real small town. Jim. Oh, it's so small. I'll tell you what. It's a small town.

Let's keep moving here with questions. The entering Richmond and leaving Richmond signs are on the back in front of each other. Jim, I have an off-topic question for you to keep you in a good mood. Yes. You're a big fan of Lost in Space. I am.

What do you think would have happened if Guy Williams had stayed on Bonanza? Because they brought him on to replace Pernell Roberts when he was going to leave, and then he didn't leave for another year. So that character was scrubbed, or, you know, they didn't bring him back. And then Lost in Space was the next year. They took that character out behind the barn. And we never saw that character again. I think it was like five episodes.

But what if Will Cartwright had stayed with Bonanza? Who would have been the dad on Lost in Space? But now, hold on here a second. I don't remember Guy Williams become... Was he introduced as an actual Cartwright? Yeah. as the cousin. He was the nephew of,

oh, I'm forgetting the father's name now. Ben Cartwright. So he would be the son of Ben Cartwright's brother. That is right. It's what you're saying. That's correct. But he was only on five episodes. But he got main character billing in the open,

where they ride out on the horses and the map burns up and you get the randomization. I do not remember that you have defeated me on something now, because I don't remember that. I do not remember that happening. But then that's why... He's still at the mustache. He's still at the Zorro mustache. The Zoro mustache.

But you can't really take a cart right with a mustache seriously. But the DNA test came in. And they found out that he was like Lance Vod Eric. And it all fucked you. And they kicked him off the show. So no thoughts on an alternative university. where there's a different father dealing with Dr. Zachary Smith. Well, I need to know more about this.

All right, we will see what you find out. While you Google that, I will say that, like I said, I do not remember this. And it seems like if, and you know what, I have that Irwin Allen book and I have looked through the chapter on Lost in space, but I've got to go back and look at it again and see if they make any mention of that. But if he was on the previous season's Bonanza and then debuted the following year and lost in space, even with the pre-production, they would have known, I would have thought

he would have been considered for that role before they would have pulled the trigger on that. Here's what Wikipedia has, and although this is Wikipedia, this kind of backs up what I've seen in other places. In 1964, Guy Williams returned to Hollywood to resume his career, being added to the cast of the hit TV show Bonanza as Ben's nephew Will Cartwright. Williams found himself written out of the series after five episodes, despite being slated to become one of the four permanent leads. His character had been created as a replacement for Adam Cartwright, since actor Pernell Roberts planned to leave the show at the end. of that season, thus allowing the format with four regular leads to continue. Fans wrote in to keep the original cart rights and producers held Roberts to his contract

and kept him on for another season. So, he didn't leave because he got the chance to star and lost his face. They wrote him the fuck out. And by the way, I bring this up because I watched one of the episodes with him last night. He was really good on the show, too. Well, see, that's, I have never seen. Are these the Me TV episodes of Bonanza? I don't think so.

I have the friendly app, because it gives you access to Me TV, Me TV tunes. Oh, the friendly TV. And I put in Bonanza, and it's like some Wild West or just West channel, but they let you, like, I guess they have like a DVR service. They let you stream episodes in their canon. So I got to watch Bonanza last night, and that was the episode. I was like, this is not the old. I've never seen this open before.

as Guy Williams riding out of the horse. It's just suddenly it's its fucking it's Will Robinson's father and he's on the time machine. That Pernell Roberts was famous for leaving Bonanza and I'll explain why in a second and

he had wanted to for a while so they probably faith this fucking guy is going to somewhere another we're not going to be able to keep him we need another one in as they just said and it's Guy Williams and when they figured out a way to keep Pernell Roberts now it was like

Billy Jack in Dallas when Kerry didn't get the part in the movie or whatever I know we got five of them and they fucked him around and wrote him out it would have been that if the Von Erick image of them holding the cloth all of a sudden instead of Kerry there was Billy Jack holding the claw for a few weeks he's in the open that's what makes it crazy

but point being Pernell Roberts wanted to just hated Bonanza by that point and wanted to be a serious actor and wanted to do this and that and the other thing and the reason I know this is because that was in what he left Adam left Adam Cartwright Pernell Roberts left in 1966 was it after the 65 season okay

his return to network television was when he played the grown-up modern-day version of Trapper John from MASH in a one-hour doctor drama like 13 years later. When did Trapper John MD go on the network, right? I think it was a CBS program. But this, the dipshit, all the stories were, oh, you remember this guy from like almost 15 years ago? Well, he's coming back to television.

He left Bonanza, which is one of the top 10 television programs in the country and would continue to be for the next 10 years. And he was not seen on television again for almost 15 years. 1979 to 1986. There you go. And by then he was bald and chunky and fucking, well,

instead of the hair and the good look, and everything, it was just, no. See, I got fascinated by this whole thing, so last night I started looking into whatever I could find, and apparently that was another issue. Pernell Roberts hated wearing a wig on Bonanza, and the rest of the cast, or at least, Lauren Green didn't mind,

eventually Dan Blocker had to. Michael Landon was fine. But Pernell Roberts hated it. I did Haas, Haas wore a wig. Hoss was always heavy. He looked like Dory Fung Jr. anyway. What the fuck?

That's why they cuts by Vince named Dory Hoss Funk. Well, apparently at the end, the, uh, may have had a wig. But they said Pernault Roberts hated it to the point where, like, he wouldn't wear it anywhere except on the set. That's weird when you're on like, again, you say one top ten, maybe even top five, like one of the most successful shows. Oh, yeah.

But no, I mean, for the entire run. Yeah. You know, at some points it was number one. Gunsmoke and Bonanza, Bonanza for NBC. and they, from 1959, from the debut, they shot it in color. It was a prestige show for them. It was one of the, because NBC was the first network to go to an all-color network schedule. And they pioneered it.

And that was one of their prestige shows. And then CBS had Gunsmoke that lasted. Bonanza went 13 seasons. Gunsmoke went 20. Yeah. And they were doing... And it was a radio hit before that. Oh, well, yes.

But, but I mean, that was, Gunsmoke was a CBS showcase project where they not only had multiple two-part episodes where they shot it on location and treated it like a Western movie, just this weekly episodic show, but also had big name movie guests as well as big name TV guests. and that was what their prestige program for for years and years and when they canceled it in 75, it was still highly rated, but they were trying to go more modern with the network, and they got heat for canceling gunsmoke. It's like, what the fuck are you doing? I was watching one of your favorites the other day, the Rifleman. It was the episode where Vic Morrow gets his rifle,

he's an escape convict, and he gets his rifle, and eventually Swami's going Eventually Eventually Swami attacks the The gunman Eventually the rifleman

Eventually Chuck Connors gets a gun But instead of using the gun He turns it into a rifle He gets like a piece of wood He turns this one gun He can only shoot a rifle that great So he turns it into a rifle

He MacGyvers that son of a bitch Do you know who is Matt Dillon on radio? William Conrad That's right who played Cannon, the big, lumpy, fat detective. But point being for the kids, by the way, when we say, oh, top 10 on network and number one, a prestige project,

the average viewership of a weekly episode of Bonanza or Gunsmoke for years during their major runs were in a 30-something million people a week for each show, maybe 40, I don't know, but not like top 10 today. This was big shit. Real quick, we'll end with this on this topic. I look at Bonanza here. For instance, season 6, which is 1964 into 65, the season we were talking about, it was the number one show with a 36.3 rating 19.1 million average viewership. There you go.

Nothing gets that today. Nothing. And just for shits and giggles, since you're on the computer machine there and to blow the children's minds, how many people watched the last episode of MASH, the MASH finale? Was it

was it 75? Was it 8? million people. A 60.2 rating, which is 77% share and over 105.97 million viewers. Okay, I'm sorry, I was remembering the share. 77% of the people watching television at that particular time on that particular day watched the MASH finale and 100 and what did you say many million viewers? Again, according to this, 105.97.

million total viewers. It was a two and a half hour special. But now, Smackdown was sometimes the top show on network television. There are weeks that we would be the top show on network television. See, that's where completely everything has turned around and gotten crazy. There are weeks we would be the number one show on television. All right. Well, speaking of modern television.

Well, and hey, that's why I've always said, never confused the ratings with quality, folks. Jim, speaking of quality and modern television and wrestling quality. Yes. WW RAW, which a lot of fans were pissed you didn't watch last week, was on again this week, still in Europe, an early start time on Netflix. Let's talk about whatever you watched on Raw this week. Well, and again, people were, oh, you didn't watch Raw? I read about it.

That was enough. But I decided, okay, I'll give them an opportunity to draw me in this week. And from Belfast, Northern Ireland. So they had the main event of Finn Baller and CM Punk. And with Finn being the hometown guy, we're going to have the bizarre world. reactions as he used to say when the hearts were in Canada. To be honest,

I love Gunther. And I'm fine with AJ Stiles, but Jesus Christ, the upshot of the thing, and I didn't, I zoned out, and I kind of zipped through, was that Gunther wants to be in the Royal Rumble, but AJ Stiles wants a rematch with him,

And finally, Gunther said, put your career on the line, AJ. Think about that. Didn't AJ Stiles just tell us he's going to retire this year? I believe so. Shouldn't those carts have come before that horse? Or the cock on that mule to be dangling in the other direction? Or whatever that old saying is? I know.

It's another one of those southern expressions. I'm not too familiar. with. Yeah, why would you tell people you're going to retire and then the guys will put your career up. What if I get here? Take it. It's yours. Fuck it. I'm done anyway. I'm going to end your career three months early. See, that would be a hard blow to take. I had so many glorious months left ahead of me. Anyway, so we got that. And I saw, I saw, that Becky Lynch wrestled model girl

for the, what, 37th time? Don't they just do that every week? We've seen that a bunch. But this time, Natty, nasty Natty, she's going to go as a heel. She beat up model girl

who used to be her pro projeet, her student. Are you scoffing at this book? It's not my book. You know, I'm not saying that any of this is, you know, for you. But if they did it right, and I can't imagine it would ever be as bad as it was under Vince, a natty heel run could be good.

She's never had like a good serious run where you had to treat her seriously and people started believing in her. She's kind of just been, for every week that she gets a good week, there's like 10 weeks where she loses a match or she's not on TV, whatever it is. If they were ever going to do something with her, again, I don't know about a few of what Maxine Dupree, but... Well, if we can get past that, I'm entirely open. Oh, Natty's a wonderful wrestler.

I just, I, poor Maxine, just don't, I just, she's painfully, painfully thin. But nevertheless, and they finished the hour with a lot of people doing promos, backstage and or there was some j yeating going on but about an hour into the show we got to the first part of the meat of the matter after we finished with the gristle and the bone and the fat we got to the meat a six-man tag with logan paul austin theory broncen reed against ray mysterio dragon lee and penta i the only conclusion that i can

come to is they valued making the fans happy in Belfast because the fans in Belfast never get to get happy. Is they're never there? I don't know. All three of the heels are main event fucking guys. The baby faces, Ray is a legend,

yes indeed. But they put the baby faces over and that's why I said, are they priority? the making the people there in Belfast happy for the high prices they paid versus why would they do that on television with these fucking guys I know they're doing and we'll talk about that

this thing with Heyman and Pierce that they got to argue over the thing but why beat these fucking guys and before we talk about the match and or shortcomings of same I don't understand that when they're, you know, elevating all of these guys in Paul's group, your thoughts? Well, you say they're all main eventers.

Theory is not there yet. You know, he's on that track. Well, but if he's, if he's, if he's in between these two other fucking guys, that he's, if he's the, the meat and an idiot sandwich, he's the, he's a main inventor because he's in with the group, but, and again, they beat him, who's the one that I, I wouldn't beat because he's the newest guy. The problem is there's no one on that team to beat right now. That's the issue.

Well, I'm not saying with anybody, but Dragon Lee and Penta help me. Well, I think you said it before. I think they wanted to make the fans there happy, but also the bigger issue isn't even the result of this match. It's the Hayman, Hayman group, Adam Pierce stuff, and has played into that more than, any desire to see any of these guys wrestle again.

Well, in the match, I'll just say briefly, Logan Paul started with Pinta and it was fucking rotten. It was awkward. Because Logan Paul, if he can walk, he's a great athlete, if he can walk through a match and or think about it and or have it his head with these other excellent performers, he's done amazing things.

but either calling shit on the fly on his own or working with a guy whose basics are shite and timing is different and also in my opinion shite like penta it was it was ugly it was ugly ray works great with with everybody but especially with the big guys and Ray is a classic example of what I said the other day when MJF was working with Bandito I said it gone are the days when the fancy luchadors did the fancy lucha stuff

around the heel or to the heel and the heel has begun joining him and doing it suddenly like it's in the middle of a goddamn UFC match match of fucking square dance breaks out or whatever. Ray works his shit around doing the flashy shit to the bigger guys and evading them and not having them

cartwheel around a ring with him. Bronson Reed and theory are both in my opinion just swell. Dragon Lee is better than Penta, but I don't, I don't, he's, you know, he's there. He's a guy wearing a mask and a flashy outfit that's standing next to another guy wearing a mask in a flashy outfit that isn't as good as he is. And then there's Ray who everybody

can identify easily. But it just yeah. And basically Logan Paul gives theory the nucks, but Pierce snatches him and argued with Paul E while the match came to a complete halt. That's why there's something going on here because they would not have spent this much time unless that wasn't a focal point. And then Ray got the Nucks and knocked out theory and Penta hit a Canadian destroyer on him.

Again, I just don't agree to the heels losing to these guys. Ray and two other higher level individuals, possibly. but I just hope they're not going to book Pearson Heyman in a tuxedo match because if I am, I'm going to send, I want to start a go-fund me for Pierce because I'm probably the only person in the world that knows what misery that is. Again, Pierce is a former wrestler. I don't think we're going to get Pearson Heyman. It does make you wonder if we're going to get Pearson Bronner

or Pearson one of the guys in this group. I don't know how you set that up. I don't know how you get out of it on the other side. So he's a commissioner or whatever he is again. Well, the thing is that I, unless it was in just a angle to fucking give Adam a vacation while he's in a hospital or whatever, that's not going to really do that much.

I'm telling you, Pierce versus Heyman, if you could book it, would be a, I started to say, pay-per-view, a premium live event level attraction getter. It might be second only to the mixed tag with the the punks versus the Rollins's

families. Paul Heyman hasn't been body slammed in like 30 years. Do you think Adam Pierce can body slam him? It's like Andre the Giant. Can Hogan body slam him? Can Pierce body slam Haman? No, no. And here's the thing. It's not even about strength the strength of a person and the weight of the other person. Because there's other, that's why you see some nasty, shitty, shitty-looking body slams on the indie level.

There's a whole technique and set of physics that goes into that that Adam Pierce nor Dr. Death, Steve Williams, nor Road Warrior Animal probably could not execute a proper full body slam on Paul Heyman at this stage of the game because of the minimum requirement of cooperation that it would still take on Paul's part to be able to go up. This is interesting. Who do you think it would be tougher to body slam? Yokozuna at his peak, not peak hype, like Lex Lugar trying to body slam him on the

intrepid. Never looked exactly right. What's harder to do? Slam Yoko Zuna or slam Paul Heyman? Yoko Zun was a workers That's the reason I say that Because at least you had a move a little That's

That's the thing is Yoko was going up with it And of course it didn't look exactly right When Lugar did it Because Lugar Bless him was never Known as a power guy His physique looked incredible

But he was not It's two different things He wasn't the strength that I've seen I've seen Vader slam Yoko That looked better. But I honestly think that it would probably still be, I mean, the average person would just fall over under both of them. But for a trained professional, it would probably, I just probably still bet on them taking a swing at slamming Yoko against slamming Paul. Do you think it's hard to get

Paul Heyman an atomic drop? What physically do you think he could actually do? There is no way on earth you could give an atomic drop. And again, for the children, we're talking about the old get them behind and pick them up and drop the ass on the knee. We call it the ass bump. Back one won the title. If you called it, yes,

if you called it in a match, you called ass bump. Ducks the punch ass bump me. No, that Dutch Mantell used to do that to me my first year in the business in Memphis when he'd chase me around a rig and catch me, give me the big fucking ass bump. because he didn't know what else I could take on the floors, or at least I could land on my feet.

I don't think there's any way that, because the thing is, again, the guy you're giving it to, he has to jump with the lift of him because he has to stick his feet way up in the air and then start coming down. And there's no way that I think that Paul could kick his feet that far up in the air. while somebody was underneath him that they wouldn't collapse.

Do you think Haman could run the ropes? Do you think Haman could run? Do you think Haming can run? Well, I was meant it depends on your definition of run. Now, if it was some kind of thing where instead of trying to look like he was trying to do it in any way right, he was thrown or arm whipped or shot that way and he was like off balance and his arms were wobbling and maybe he grabs his pants, his belt with one hand

like his pants are falling down and kind of hits the rope sideways and then has no other choice but to bounce back in that direction. But that would require more, more actually more physical coordination and athletic ability than just doing it the right way to make that look believable.

I would pay good money for a pay-per-view of just Paul Heyman doing one move after, like hip toss, arm drag, every single basic move, everything, just watching him try every one of those things. So yeah, I hope we do it. I hope we do get him and Adam Pierce. The more I'm talking myself into it,

I want to see it. That's what I'm saying to you. But that's the fucking challenge that Pierce as a professional, this would be the ultimate challenge for him to figure out a way to have a match with the living incarnation of the blob from the X-Men. And if he could, because that's the personal grudge,

and people would pay to see that. And, again, I'm the only person probably in the world that knows the burdens of something like that, but at least when I had Paul, he could fall down and get back up again on his own without a tow truck. Hey, one last thing, and then we'll move on, Is GM versus manager better than GM versus top wrestling star?

Well, no, because it doesn't matter. It depends on who those people are. It doesn't matter who's in the people. People could be in those positions and be wonderful at those positions, but it might not make a good match. But this would be a, I will say a good match, but a money-drawn match, a ticket selling an interest-gathering match. Adam Pierce versus Paul fucking Amen for five minutes.

Give me five minutes with that fat son of a bitch, Pierce could say. Give me five minutes. And then fucking brahm breaker spears. God damn Adam Pierce right as he's trying to get in the ring. And Pierce rolls in selling his fucking ribs. And then it would be incumbent upon Paul to do something to him, potentially to choke him over the ropes.

Again, I'm trying to think of the things that I would do. are not things that Paul would be able to do without hospitalizing himself. I probably still couldn't do most of them, although more than Paul, but choke him over the ropes and fucking take us something out of, take your tie off and choke him with it and gouge his eyes and don't try to act like a pussy,

show pussy fighting with the peppery punches. Act like you goddamn, you're a fucking, you know, a rat with your back against the wall. It's the only way you know how to fight and fucking try to kick him into balls, let him block it or whatever, but he's still selling the ribs. And then Paul misses something.

Who could have been a giant fucking bonsai drop? My God, he's going to kill him. Oh, no. The burs will never be able to stand it. But I! And then Pierce moons and then Pierce fucking gets on him and just punches him in a face a couple of times and if he can stand him up and take some kind of bump put that i'm telling you that's fucking wrestling do you think

brook leznor could body slam paul hayman full body slam full rotation full rotation yes i do yes i do because he's got long arms well but but not only that but not only because of the power and because he is trained in, obviously, in taking dead weight of a guy that doesn't want to be thrown and fucking moving it. And also because if it was going to be anybody, because that's nothing, Paul is, I don't know how he is now. I'm scared of shit now that I would have done 35 years ago without even thinking, it did every night without thinking about it. but Paul was always scared of if you grabbed him, he just froze. He tensed up and froze and you had no cooperation. So that's why I would just hit him and drop shit on him because he couldn't move him around anywhere.

So he would trust Brock more than probably anybody else that he might actually loosen up enough to where you could do something with the fucking, just the extreme girth of the man. Well, what else did you watch on Raw, Jim? Oh, yeah, that's right. So those other guys won. Let's see. Eo and Ria and Liv and Perez and Raquel and Rochelle and they all talked and fought and things. And then we got to another one of the folks I would like to see who has been impressive, Javon Evans.

and he's working with, did you, did you see this particular part, or did you skip any of this? Against El Grande Americano. Yeah, ding, ding, ding. I have an El Grande Americano boycott. I'm not watching any of that nonsense. I don't care who he works with,

so I did not see this. Well, you didn't miss much, and I'll tell you why in a minute, but I hope, hold on. First of all, is it Ludwig Kaiser? Because one of, Gable was one of them, and then they made Ludwig, Kaiser won and then the other guy who am I thinking of the other guy is one of them uh help me i think

it's ludwig Kaiser now for sure i don't know again i don't watch this is the worst gimmick in wrestling right now but that's well and this is a point that's being driven how there's three of these motherfuggers now and i know people of south we watched every week it's fucking silliness and i was i was a fan of ludwig keiser as ludwig fucking Kaiser god damn what a look at a personality whatever whichever one i don't know they started out at a hundred miles an hour and the fans didn't give a shit because they were waiting for the stars of the people are presented as stars and they ain't caught up with giovon yet but they started to these other three looked like idiots but givon started to get them and they went to a break and they were gone for three minutes and when they

came back. Well, Javon Evans is on the floor and the referee's ringing the bell and the other Americanos are standing around in various stages of the ring with their

dicks in their hand and the announcer said, well, the doctor is not medically cleared Javon to continue. And he's holding his arm and kind of we think his shoulder. Maybe it's his shoulder.

no explanation of what he did, no replay. This is the oddest way I've ever seen of them handling somebody that got hurt and couldn't. And the doctor wasn't even around him when he was sitting on the floor, on the, I think in front of the announced desk. And I mean, I've said before when a guy gets hurt, why do you have to make it fucking obvious?

The other guy stands around with his dick at his hand. and then you stop just pin the guy he's already down pin him get him out of get out of it right go get him some help but don't just everybody just freeze but this they usually replay like when hibushi and what's call it fell off the top rope they replayed it because at least it explained to how this motherfucker's crippled himself and if there's an injury. Oh, yeah, he kicked him right in the head. But this was just like, oh, fuck, we can't show you that. He got up and walked out. So what the fuck happened? Are you on social media, Brian? Have they been talking about what happened here? I don't know if any exact reason

has come out yet. A lot of people presuming it's a shoulder. Do we not have somebody from the wrestling news on this? Are they not flying right now over to goddamn Belfast, Northern Ireland to get the scoop on this? I don't know if the flights are going out there as quickly as we need them to to get this breaking news for the show. Hopefully it's not too bad, but we've seen a few people go down

with their shoulders recently and they're out for months and months and months, so if he was going to get hurt... Hey, weird question, if he was going to get hurt, is now the time before a push or anything really gets set in stone? Whoa, no. Well, what is the time?

First of all, is the short answer. But this is, if he has, the longer he has on a consistent, continued push before he would be hurt and take any appreciable time off, the better off he is, because you're at least, you're getting the house built. If you just paved the parking lot by the time you come back, people might have already parked on it. You see what I'm saying? At the start, the longer you can go uninterrupted, the better. but there's never a good time but the thing is again with no the announcers couldn't even say well he dove over the top rope and boy landed on the concrete try he's so aggressive there's no replay

what must it have been or what could it have looked like and I'm not talking about it being too grisly for television because he's he's not really even he's walking and he's holding his arm but it's not like he's goddamn screaming, oh my God, my bones are sticking out. So was it something

that looked innocuous, but he said, oh, fuck it, I can't lift my arm up. Dislocated shoulder? Possibly. But one would think that there would be a replay

of something that would have dislocated to some bitchy's shoulder. I don't know. All right. Well, the mystery continues. We'll see what. comes out, but we'll see, we'll see what comes out.

His shoulder. His shoulder came out. Yes. Or at the main event. Lacrimuselian invades Belfast Northern Ireland. Sunday, bloody Sunday. Boy, these are some violent fucking people. Finn Baller in this world is a huge baby face

because he's a hometown or home country. hero. I assume there's more than one town over there in that country. Indeed. But he's from there, is what I'm saying. And punk, you could tell during the introductions,

he kind of gets a little healish little swagger to fucking step up and a smirk on his face, because he doesn't mind being a heel, understands that that's the reaction he was going to, or understood, that that was the reaction

he was going to get and is going to lean into it. And that way, Finn's more of a baby face. If you noticed, this is what I'm talking about in a matchmaking sense, logical sense, that when you have baby face versus baby face or you have a situation where the rolls are reversed because of the crowd like this or whatever, if the nominal baby face is a heel, he still, he can lean into being a heel and he can be heelish in his attitude about things, but he's still not out there trying to kick a guy into balls over and over or fucking, you know, gouges eyes out or tell the fans, fuck you, fuck you, because that's uncharacteristic.

You see what I'm saying, Brian. And the same thing on the other side of the fence, if the nominal heel is a baby face, for that crowd. He's going to still kind of be rough and do the normal things that he's used to do or known for doing,

but he's not going to go out there and be full heel and like, fuck you, I don't care about you because they're going, they're just turning in that direction, but they're not doing anything out of character. He can still be a heel without going full fuck you

to everybody and trying to kick the guy, you know, into goddamn gonads. So they did a good, this was kind of like the old, which they wanted to do as much wrestling as possible in this. It was refreshing to see a headlock takeover,

I think at one point. But it, like the traveling world title match, where the champion is normally a baby face, but might get booed against the hometown guy somewhat and they're switching around. And they had a nice,

can match. And it made sense. Punk got heat on Finn, again, not heat like MJF would get with poking him in the eye behind the referee's back and all this stuff. But physically being in charge, imposing his will, as Jim Ross

and or Gordon Soli would have said at one point. And Finn fighting back and the fans singing the O'Le, O'A, O'Le, O'Le, O'Le. I'm wondering, can oil of O'Lay sue anybody over that? Or do they just... They don't own that. That's not their chant. Well, it seems like somebody would have to come up with some money somewhere for something.

Do you think of O'I Anderson as a wrestler today? They would chant that at him? No, well, then he could say you're pronouncing it wrong. It's O'Lee, O'Lee, O'Lea, O'Le. You stupid idiots, you're doing a lot of. it all wrong. But anyway, they had nice, they had the people going.

They were hot for this because they wanted to see Finn, but then later on, they got some dueling chance going after the big, yay boo that Finn won with the Pele kick and made a comeback and they did some back and forth shit and started getting some pops with the big two counts.

Finn hit a dive and a drop kick and went for the stomp, but punk moved and hit the go to sleep and got a two-count and then punk got on him and got the anaconda vice but finn got the rope break and punk tried to went for the called for the go-to-sleep and got booed for it and then fin foiled it drop-kick drop-kick double-stomp two-count ah and then finally a little zab and punk rolled through a thing and boosted him up and another gttis one, two, three. And I don't think bell to bell.

It was 20 minutes. It didn't get old. It kept moving. It was a good match without being overdone. And it made sense not only as a wrestling match, but in the environment where they were going to be cheering their countrymen, probably if he, even if he'd taken a bazooka, they would have still cheered. But nobody did anything uncharacteristic, smart match.

And then they shook hands afterwards in a show of sportsmanship that got over with the fucking people, but then Finn left punk with the ring because he's the world champion. And the handshake fit there. It wasn't just the indie-minded, oh, now we've, who are taking our curtain call. It was like show of respect type of deal and Finn's over in that country. and they probably, I hope they brought plenty of Finn Ballard T-shirts on this tour.

What's a great baby-face move for the baby-face champion to shake his hand, but does he just go back to being the heel he was after he shake someone's hand like that? Well, in a world title match and in that environment, all Finn would have to do is come out next week if they even bothered to mention it, which who knows were these people, and say, the guy on that night in front of all my mates or what, I can't do the fucking accent, he got me.

He was better that night, but I still think I can do it, but I wasn't going to be a poor sportsman in front of the greatest wrestling fans and the greatest sports fans of the world of people of Northern Ireland and blah, blah, blah, blah, and just go on. I thought it was a good match, you know, I always say I get a, you know, when you know who's going to win, because they couldn't conceivably do a title change here.

It's sometimes hard to get into it, but they started getting me into it. And by the end of it, they really got me into it. And I even thought for a second, you know, maybe they're going to do the fucking title change. When he hit the footstomp, like, everything was being set up perfectly. And Sampunk's kickout was, I mean, it was close to, it was right before three. It was perfect. Yeah. So they really got me going by the end of it.

I thought it was a really, really good match. well and see that's the thing is that it was the reaction of the people because if if that match and here's a lesson we can learn if that match had been at the mid hudson civic center in poughkeepsie uh the people wouldn't have bought it because they they would have known but the people in that building in belfast could convince themselves that my god this the first time that because they made mention of it, first time a world title has ever been defended in Ireland. And they could, they could plausibly believe it's a big international TV show, it's raw, where they're here, it's sold out.

They might switch the, they can suspend their disbelief. We know it ain't going to happen. If it was in fucking Kansas City, they'd know it wasn't going to happen, but those people could think it might happen. And then their reaction, were that much the better,

and that hooks you as a viewer into, they go, oh, holy shit, they might do this, because look at those people. See, it's just, it's subliminal. But the thing is, I would say that this, this was definitely a better match than Punk had with Braun Breaker.

Nobody's fucking shoes fell off, among other things. This is one of the better matches that, because Finn Baller's, a great in-ring worker, technically very proficient, et cetera, and knows what he's doing athletically.

But this wasn't a premium live event match. Because that people, for the most part, around the world, wouldn't think that Finn Baller was going to win this and they were right. You can have bigger money

matches, matches with more interest, matches that draw more ratings, can't quantify pay-per-view, now so just interest matches the big the main events that the Saudis pay for those are not going to be matches in a lot of cases that were as good as this match as good in the ring and sometimes you get that that magic combination where god damn they tore the house down and they sold a fucking place out well that's just wonderful but more often than not the big matches and the ones that people remember are going to be the ones between the guys that they

buy as main event top level guys that have a chance and have a grudge. And that's maybe a little not morality play or whatever for Tony Kahn and some of the people that live in his big bubble with him. The bubble boy, the boy in the bubble. Well, you know, Johnny Boubley. That was raw. Another big main event, another great main event, another big CM Punk match. You know, a lot of people think the thing that makes CM Punk such a great professional wrestler is his focus.

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First of all, let's stop peeping. Second of all, four per day is the... It's not my phone if she leaves her bricks open? Four per day is the amount that Ultra is telling you. You shouldn't surpass. Well, that's because she filed a lawsuit. Let's get away from the divorcee, and let's focus back on focus, Jim.

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15% off, take ultra.com. Promocode, JCE. All right, shortened to the point. Here we are, Jim, continuing on here with the show. Thank you, Rick O'Kazek. We've gotten a bunch of emails in the last couple days about two different stories, both related to you and OVW. So let me get your thoughts. on these. This one was sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from

Malook in the UK. Oh, wait a minute now. He's from the UK but asked about OBW. Does he live close to West Faversham? Apparently they just bought another soccer team. So they're really building an empire.

I've seen no British flags flying over Shepherdsville Road here in towns. so I don't know if they're publicizing this yet here or not. We'll see what happens. Here's Luke's question. Kevin Fertig, aka Mordecai and Kevin Thorne,

recently appeared on a podcast and told the story... Well, AKA 7, he was 7 in OVW. He told the story of when he wore a fan sombrero and danced during a dark match to the point Lance Storm came out to the point Lance Storm came out to the ring to tell him, quote, Cornett has a baseball bat. Stop.

But Kevin did not stop. Instead, he carried on with more conviction, which led to a second message of, Cornett is going to get his gun. Kevin Ferdick finished the story by saying he was wrong for doing that and wants to apologize, but does Jim have any memory of this incident? Yeah, and well, and there was,

There was a hat switch, a hat trick left out of that. Kevin Ferdigg started, he was from the Memphis area. And I first saw him when we were taking OVW talent down to Power Pro Wrestling for Randy Hales. And believe it or not, Sid, Sid had either helped train or broken Kevin in, whatever. But his gimmick was seven. and like the movie seven. You remember the spooky supernatural seven type of thing.

Six, seven, yeah. Oh, no, that's long before that. The seven was the movie with the head in the box and the serial killer and all that stuff. So anyway, so he had size, he had some level of athletic ability, etc.

And we got him a WWF developmental deal after a while and made him one of the disciples of sin because that fit the, you know, the gimmick. And the problem was, and I'm not trying to start any online wars with Kevin, who's, I guess last I heard he was a successful something or other. He's doing real estate or something. I don't fucking know, but regular real world. shit. But he didn't really progress past a certain point. And they had given him a couple gimmicks and tried him, and you mentioned Mordecai. And was there something else in there?

Was he another person they put in an all white outfit at one point? Yeah, maybe. What other names did, uh... He said Kevin Thorne. Kevin Thorne was, he was with, uh, Shelly Martinez. is. These were offshoots of spooky characters or the true blood thing or the disciples of whatever. And invariably, I kept getting him back. The point is, I met him in 1999, right, or early 2000, you know, in Randy Hales' territory. And this is the middle of 2005. And I've and he's been a baby face, he's been a heel, and he's been,

that, but I kept getting him fucking back. They kept sending him back. And he was somewhat bored and frustrated, but this was also during a period of time where at the other comedy-minded individuals who wanted to be jolly jokers and play around. And so he was a baby face this particular time,

but he had gotten, I don't even remember the context, to why a fan had a sombrero. And he's where he got the sombrero and put it on. And it's not like he's mocking the heel and then he takes it off or whatever. He's wearing it standing on the apron waiting for a tag while they're fucking beating up his partner or whatever. And I said, Lance, I said, tell him they got stupid fucking hat off.

So he did, but apparently then not to be deterred. He got somebody's ball cap and put the ball cap. cap on. It was wrestling with the ball cap. And at that point, I didn't actually tell Lance or whoever was telling him I going to get my gun. I said, tell seven when he comes back that I left the building before I shot him in a fucking head. And I just fucking left without goddamn seeing him at that particular time. There was a lot of people trying to be fucking comedians and not taking shit seriously while I was getting a lot of stress from John laryngitis and all the other Yehus that had invaded the

Stanford office. And that's the sombrero story. And that's the sombrero story. What do you think hearing this is indeed true that he apologizes for it? Well, I mean, years ago somewhere I've seen him, he's kind of like, you know, I was kind of always a dip shit or something like that. And I said, yeah, well, we have, we have, no heat, at least that I remember at this point.

All right, well, Jim, another story that a lot of people have been sending over is about OVW and it is from, let me try to give this a source, the Mike Check with Mr. Anderson podcast, which is hosted

by Ken Anderson or Ken Kennedy, formerly Mr. Kennedy. They own that name. He was Anderson first. Have you noticed that you've got to you've got to give 16 names for anybody that we referenced but um ken and Vince not Vince McMahon god damn it Ken Anderson was renamed ken it ken kennedy ken Kennedy

because paul lee liked him and it was going to be hard for Vince to turn it down because Vince Kennedy is Vince middle name or whatever the fuck and then because he couldn't be Kennedy anywhere but WWE then he became Mr. Anderson, right? I believe so. But he was Mr. Anderson first, wasn't he?

When you first saw him? Well, yes, yes, because that's the name he used first, Ken Anderson. Well, again, he apparently was... Not to be confused with Oli, Gene, or especially Lars. He apparently was on his show and talking to his co-host about you and Santino Morella in OVW.

He was there when all that went down. Let's hear some audio and please jump in with any comments. Ornette slapped up Santino, right? And you've told the story and done a phenomenal impression. One thing that the world actually... Slapped up. That must be the British way of saying it. No, this isn't a British accent.

This is... This sounds suspiciously not like, but similar to my friend Kenny McIntosh. When he told me we were going to... get a six-seater and I thought he said a sex theater. Well, let's hear more from not Kenny McIntosh. He doesn't know and it's up to you whether or not you want to say it makes no difference now, right? But Cornett believes that it was Santino that went and stooge to the office, right? Yeah.

Let me stop it there. Is that what you've always believed? Well, yes. It was Daniel Puter. It was my roommate. Remember he, because like the thing is, is Daniel Puter didn't come up through the normal ranks. He didn't come up on the independency.

And he won a competition. And so he didn't really care about the politics of the business. And he was like, I saw a thing. Cornette slapped my friend around because he was good friends with Santino. He was like, fuck that. I'm going to call. And he told me, he's like, I called the office. I stooed them off.

And then it was, and then I believe it was, he either called Tommy or, or Johnny directly. And once Johnny had that information, he was like, it's a publicly traded company. We can't have that stuff.

You got to go. That's the line. That's the line. Well, let me stop it here. Yeah, stop it here. And actually, so ironic. Isn't it ironic?

Like, Ray. from a golden shower from Vince McMahon on your head, John Laurenitis on your wedding day from the marriage that was broken up because of your impropriety. Come on now.

Let's get back to this story. I'm just freelancing now here. Just, but, but no, okay, Daniel Puter, then I can believe Puter didn't like me because if Puter was a legitimate, amateur wrestler and did some MMA, but he didn't know shit from Apple Butter about wrestling.

And I recall also at the time that Puter was rubbing many of the boys in the locker room the wrong way because he was not only given the impression, well, I'm a real, you know, a real athlete or a real fighter or real whatever, but also he thought he was somewhere, what of a cunning linguist and would zap people or, you know, do the put down or whatever, because several of the boys liked it, whatever he would try to do that to me, and I would fucking slap him down, and or hit him with the comeback or say, shut up, Peter, because he just,

he didn't fit. And he's the way, he's the one that slapped the fucking double wrist lock on angle on live TV. Yeah. Remember? Now that I think about it. Almost got him too. Yes.

And so he just didn't fucking get it. And but I don't know how he could be best friends with Santino because that was part of the, Santino had just joined the amateur class. He was not even on contract nor anybody had ever seen the fucking guy. He'd been in the amateur class, traded with Rip for two or three weeks, telling him what a fucking shooter he was and how he was a real he never got wrestling either and still to this day i don't think does so i can believe that those two might be friends but since he he don't have been at louisville for three weeks how did they fucking suddenly become roommates what kind of odd

couple situation is that well maybe they bonded over their legitimate you know mixed martial arts training which probably made it even worse when it was you doing all this He could have stretched him. I could have stretched him. I don't think he still could have stretched the boogeyman. I don't believe he could have done shit with the boogeyman. And the boogeyman was not happy, and he was standing right next to me. So we're fine.

Let's hear if there's any more to the story from Ken Kennedy. Once again, this is from Mike Check with Mr. Anderson. Let's go to this. Which, to be fair, I think. Yeah, which is ironic. Right, right? knowing what we know now right motherfucker

this motherfucker I love to hear I'd love to hear I would love to hear his take on that now oh man I'm sure it exists but yeah he was like you know he's got to go and Paul Heyman came in

that was we did not know who was coming they were going to send somebody down that week TV, you know, has to keep, the machines got to keep rolling. And it was Paul Heyman. And luckily that occurred. And he was a fan of mine and away to the races, you know, right away. That first. All right.

Let's stop it there. We're now talking about how he is booked well. Well, yeah. But here's the thing. Paul didn't know he was coming either. And that's when Stephanie didn't like Paul. They sent Paul first to OVW. and then to OVW and Deep South in Atlanta or McDonough, Georgia.

As a punishment. As a punishment. And Paul didn't mind OVW because he was trying to get some of the next talent that he could fucking ride coattails on. No, I'm kidding. But he never wanted to go to Deep South. So what he would do is he would keep the fucking guys. This is what a lot of the OVW talent told me.

he'd keep guys with an after-TV production meeting on Wednesday nights until like two in the morning. And then he would call it. I just can't make the flight to Atlanta and blow off the next day's thing in Atlanta. And finally they closed Atlanta. But I get Ken Anderson. He was like, oh, thank God, Paul came in. He was convinced that I was like, oh, God, I want to. run this guy out of the business.

He'd been here like three months. And he looked good. And he had good size and he could talk. He was a little bit older than the guys we were normally getting, but he'd been doing independence, whatever the fuck. And I saw him have a good match. And then I saw him have a rotten match. And I saw him have an okay match.

So to introduce him on television, I had made him some relation or associate. I can't remember of the Tolan brothers, the heel team that I had here that had been established, people knew they were, and put him on a fucking car. And as I recall, he won a few and lost a few. And he was convinced that I didn't see his greatness,

and I must have hated him because I didn't automatically book him into main events. And I didn't do that for anybody. Well, very few people. But then Paul fucking shot his ass up full of helium and apparently led him to believe that he was a goddamn superstar, which is why apparently that he had problems

when he went up there and already thought he was a superstar, I guess, right? I think he had heat, I could be remembering wrong, was it where Randy Orton? It was someone we had heard that had enough problems with him that like they may have said something of Vince like I don't want to work with this guy anymore and then this started the dissent but here's the important thing Daniel pewter if he's see I accused Santino of being a one to stooge because they gave him a job not long after and why the fuck would anybody look twice at this guy

unless they were rewarding a favor and Anderson Paul liked him so they used him at least a little bit until he kind of dumbed himself out of position but pewter he called and stooged on me just because of his buddy and he got less of a job than either one of them what has he what did he do afterwards and what has he done since then and where is is daniel pewter alive today how long is it been since we have heard that that name I have not heard that name forever, so I don't have an answer for you, so let me look it up. And according to Wikipedia, he's now 44 years old, a retired pro wrestler and mixed martial artist. He was known for having won the $1 million, that's right, $1 million tough enough, which was the fourth tough enough.

Well, but actually, it wasn't the loophole then that that was $250,000 a year for four years, if they renewed your contract each of the four years, none of the guys ever actually got that, except maybe Henigan. Apparently, he also worked for Ring of Honor in 2007 and 2008. Ha, ha, I just missed him. Worked for New Japan in 2010, 2011, and had a match on the independent circuit against gangrel, or no, teaming with Gangrel in 2019, he takes long breaks in between. Is he being booked by Tony Kahn? Well, hold on, maybe this will explain.

As a high school student in Monta Vista High School, Pudor began his entrepreneurial career by starting several successful businesses. After leaving wrestling, Pudor founded and is the CEO of My Life My Power, MLMP, founded in 2010, working with police departments, schools, parents, and youth to help strengthen communities and to provide organizations, and youth, with effective programs to help combat bullying

for various avenues, such as self-esteem, self-empowerment, and body image, as well as calls the John Lauren Hidt is. I struck a nerve when I bullied little Santino, so he's done all this from his tiny one-bedroom apartment? Putea started Puter strength training, PST, a nonprofit organization to help local high schools by donating weight training equipment to their strength training programs and the underprivileged teenagers. Pudor has worked with Toys for Tots, After School All-Stars, Stanford Hospital, and San Francisco

General Hospital. Pudor was the official spokesman for Cops Care Cancer Foundation. Pudor opened up his own gym, the knockouts Hollywood MMA gym in Hollywood, California, which specializes in mixed martial arts, self-defense, and fitness boot camp. As of 2018, Peter founded and operates four companies, MLMP. Wait, what?

M-L-M-P Institute. What? My Life, My Brand, and MLM-P-I. Those are four separate companies. Prep Academy. then do what, to who? For how much?

Peter's a born-again Christian and a deputy sheriff. Oh, boy, there's a combination for you. I don't know. I don't know what his Prep Academy or his institute do exactly, or who funds them. But apparently... Isn't it funny? You know, a lot of the people you find that are born again

or people you weren't in favor of the first one? All right, well, it appears that he's doing well and hanging out with... Doing something. hanging out with parents and youth all over the Bay Area. He's hanging out with youth all over the Bay Area. Is that what you're saying? That's not what I'm saying exactly.

Jim, let's get back to the main point of this. Yes. Does this change anything about the way you see Santino Morella? No. Because I don't sit here daily thinking, oh, I can only get even with him. That doesn't concern me, but at the same time, I wouldn't have liked him anyway. I think he's a kind of a patient zero of the pockets mentality. Comedy fucking wrestlers that are there to just be a joke and play a joke on the business.

And I think as a person I've mentioned before, the limited interaction I've had with him, he seems like one of those guys that's just clueless and don't get it about the fucking wrestling business and or is such a puck. I wouldn't want to be in the same room with him anyway. I can't imagine that he and I would ever get along. But now you know he wasn't a stooge. That doesn't change anything?

No, because why would it? He is the only thing that astounds me is they gave him a job just to be a joke without even making it a repayment of a favor. But pewter was so fucking apparently such a pill that they, He handed Laurenitis them a favor, and he couldn't even capitalize on it. I don't know what to say. Well, that's the OVW update, folks.

Of course, that's probably the last time. Hey, I didn't say everybody. I never said everybody we had an OVW was an all-star. It was a great talent or, you know, whatever the fuck. We had, we just didn't have them long, but we had some. Jim, on the topic of WWE, we just reviewed Raw, lots of fans on social media have opinions. I mean, that's kind of why a lot of people go to social media

if you're posting things to give your opinion. Yes. That's kind of what being a fan is. Either you have it inside or you let it out. You have an opinion. Well, tons of fans, tons of listeners of this show, have sent over an email. Have let it out.

They've sent over. They've gotten in touch about a quote from Triple H and trying to see which one of these emails has the link. Here we go. Triple H did an interview, apparently with Peter Rosenberg, talking about what he wants from wrestling fans, how he wants them to behave. Let's go to this audio and get your thoughts on it. This will sound defensive. Every critic that is out there, I wish I could tell people off being a critic. Be a fan.

Go watch this to be a fan. If I tell you, go to the movies and watch this movie, I saw it's really good. And you just go to the movie as a fan, you watch the movie. You have one opinion. If I tell you, hey, go see this movie. But can you give me a one-page detail, like, things on what you liked, what you didn't like, and if it worked for you or it didn't work for you?

You watch it totally differently. Right. Right? You watch the product totally differently. It ruined it for people. The world was so much better when nobody knew. Well, let's stop it there. There's whispering Paul Rebecca.

You think. Does he actually think that? That the world was better when nobody knew? Of course it was, you imbeciles. What a maroon. If they don't want people to be critics, then they shouldn't have spilled their guts like fucking traitorous sailors

that have been caught on a deserted island by the fucking Japanese that are fucking telling everything they know. They've got a TV show about it for Christ's sake. We're unreal, which means not real. The season literally debuts today as we are recording. Yes. And I'm going to have some thoughts on that,

hopefully not many, because I don't want to watch much of it. But the point being, I experienced wrestling fans who didn't critique the product. Because when nobody was smart to the shit, they didn't know what to critique. They could say so-and-so was a lousy wrestler,

and usually they did about the heels. I, he's no good. But there was no, even amongst fans that got together, except in the very subset of smart, fans but just regular wrestling fans got together as hey what about that match we'd saw it's oh yeah and they would talk about matches they'd seen at the arenas or what had happened on television or boy they wished wished wist they wished so-and-so would come back but there was no oh god the

bookings terrible because they didn't know what booking was and oh god the work rate was horrible because they didn't know it was a work if they did know it was a work they didn't know it was a work they know how it was worked or why or if somebody told them how long i mean we are talking the the most basic rudimentary knowledge of the inside of the business that everybody in the public possesses today was completely unknown 50 years ago that's when the fans weren't critics but when you tell them not only that it's all of work and it's all controlled

and these people are doing what they're assigned to do and they're all working together and the personal issues are manufactured and whatever not only when you tell them that but then they see reported and admitted and evidence of that if they jump up in large numbers and complain about shit, it will change. Then you've made everybody a fucking critic,

except for the people that we have completely lost, that don't care and don't watch anymore, because they found out how controlled and how choreographed and how worked and how pre-planned it was, and they just said bullshit and left. And the ones we've got left, most of them are either the casual WWFAN that goes to the live event and takes the kids because they see it on television. Or two million critics that know how to book better than everybody else and can tell me who the best workers in the ring are because they've been watching. closely. That's who's left, because everybody knows. So,

nice job, give it up. They didn't have a problem with the critics during the rise of the bloodline when people were actually digging their television. The critics in the night, their critics when things were popping in the late 90s in the early 2000s weren't really wrestling fans. It was people outside of wrestling who had a problem with the product. And in some cases, they weren't wrong about the tone to the product, but in terms of the idea that we should all watch WW Raw or SmackDown and just feel fulfilled at the end of it that we saw his show and feel happy,

we would if the show was better. You know, it goes hand in hand. He wants fans to just be fans and not be critics. I want my wrestling promoters and bookers just to do good wrestling shows. good wrestling TV shows. And truthfully, both these things can be true. As we've talked about, the WWE right now, they're filling a time.

That's about the best you can say about most everything. But you can also say that of the most die hardest of the hardest dying fans, they're never going to be happy with most everything, and they're going to break it down because again, they're trying to marshal support for changing shit. They want to change.

And you could tell what was a business success in the traditional wrestling business for goddamn decades and decades by the amount of tickets that were sold. If you sold a lot of them, worked. If you didn't, it didn't. But now they're selling ridiculous amounts of tickets, but you've still got people, and rightfully so, said, but this is some boring ass shit. So it's, and there, and a lot of people are going to be able to say they can do it better,

whether they can do it better or not. Because they, they got the Tony Khan syndrome that two other people online with them have complimented their fantasy booking. Their whole thing is always we listen to the fans. You know, what's best for business is listening to the fans and making sure the fans are happy. That's the last thing you should tell them. Except those fans that say stuff we don't like. They should just be fans. But that's the last thing you should tell them is that we listen to you because when they get shit changed,

it encourages them to try to get other shit changed. Do you see what I'm saying? I do. But traditionally, before all of this came to light, the fans didn't rise up in great numbers and ask you to change the matches and change the things that were going on on television.

But because they didn't know they could and they didn't know you could. So now we're all stuck. But again, Triple H is saying these things at a period where you're seeing the criticism not just from smart fans, it's from WWE hardcore fans who don't like whether it's the Jay Uso push

or the tone of the TV or everything that happened last year would see it. You're seeing more and more pushback about the booking and the creative of WWE and it just so happens he's making these comments here. But you're making two groups there. The smart fans are the diehard fans.

They're all smart now. They're all professors. And meanwhile, Triple H is trying to get them not to criticize his shit that he always tries to take credit for by coming out and being the, let's get ready to suck it or whatever guy. But they're producing television programs

where they literally show you how they put it together step by step and then they're expecting people not fucking criticize it. They're all fucking stupid. a better job as Booker. That's what I would say. If you're worried about the criticism, you need to do a better job because your shows suck right now,

even though you got some talent. Yeah. Well, you have a wrestling talent, or you're talking about his personal talent. You know what? I wonder every day... Is he do card tricks? In terms of booking prowess,

I wonder every single day more and more if Triple H has any... If Triple H has enough instincts. If Triple H has any idea how to do anything other than the Vince McMahon way. And every day it seems less and less like

he does. You know, I know we're always told that he loves wrestling history and one day when he's in charge, you'll see it'll be, you know, it's still fucking lacking. And it doesn't need to. Again, this is me being

a critic, me being a fan who's become a critic, but it was better. We've seen it when it's better. And when you see it when it's better, it tells you it can be better when it's not better. Here, the Triple H strikes me as the kind of guy who as a student of the business

and who has picked the brains of the flares and the, et cetera, the whole nine yards. He knows more rules of thumb. He knows. this might be an idea to go in this direction or that direction or whatever. He can handle the milestones and the major events, but he knows that the murderer must be revealed in the drawing room and the climactic scene, but he can't write the goddamn gripping murder mystery from the start to get to that point.

He is not the guy that's going to lay every goddamn great angle out. They're going to run a bunch of shit by him, and like they did Vince, and he thinks he's got enough of a grip or a finger on the pulse or whatever the case that he can take the best idea and decide the direction. But he's not going to sit down and lay you out a whole goddamn long program by himself. Just my impression.

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And now we have more prizes for you, more great wrestling content. More prizes here on the show. Jim. And now Johnny Jacobs, tell them what they won. Just the other day we were talking about the Cummings and Go the AEW roster, some new signings,

and we mentioned the four-man team of the rascals, and a day or two later, one of the rascals apparently requested his release. That rascallywabbit! That was at least the story that first went around, that he requested his release, no one really understood why, and then there have been other stories going around,

so I'm going to try to find a good summation. Well, I heard he was quitted, in a wrestling business. What have you heard about this whole thing? I heard that he tweeted that he was stepping away from the wrestling business but keep supporting the other guys. And they had an extra guy, to be honest,

because why do you need four? Now they got, they still got three, they got an extra one even yet. But the guy gets signed to a contract by the second biggest promotion and announces his retirement from the business the next day. So there has to be something else going on.

It would appear so. Again, he signed the contract. They had to release him from the contract. The contract was done. And then all of a sudden he's gone. Now, there have been people pointing to tweets and messages from the past. Not that that excuses anything. That at times were homophobic, that at times were anti-Semitic.

those are at least with the ones I saw. Jesus Christ! When you dig down deep in the surfaces, under the surfaces, anybody checked his crawl space? Well, and again, too, apparently he put out a statement. Again, there's a lot of stuff people have sent us. Here's a quote, apparently,

this one is from Brian Alvarez that's being attributed to. Trey Miguel's AEW release, quote, came from up above, but it had nothing to do with telling us. Tony Kahn. Wait a minute. God is mad at Trey Miguel? Well, then it says, but it had nothing to do with Tony Kahn. No one's really saying much. Well, some people are saying certain things, but my understanding is, whatever it is, came from up above. Whatever it is, a lot of people are saying it, and it may be

divine intervention. I know there's a lot of... I know there's a lot of rumors, but it had nothing to do with anybody in AEW talent, anything like that, or Tony. Something. Something. happened from way up and he was released. That is what we know at this point about Trey Miguel. That's from Wrestling Observer Radio, that quote. What is above? Above what? Warner Brothers Discovery, I would imagine.

That's the only thing above Tony. I mean, his dad technically? Who in Warner Brothers Discovery would know that this son of a bitch exists on the planet earth? We bear, I couldn't pick him out of a lineup. I've heard his name. name, why would they give a shit about some miscellaneous fucking wrestler or even know who he was? Well, Jim, apparently he put out a message on some form of social media.

Taking a break from wrestling, please respect my space, and don't tag me in any post or comments. Go support the rascals still. Well, he's not the one that had the picture of him with the Hitler mustache in his bathroom. No, they signed him. signed the Hitler one, so whatever he did was worse than Hitler. Whatever he did was worse than Hitler. But again, how old is this guy? Is this, because Twitter's been around a while now, was he tweeting asshole shit as a 16-year-old?

Or is this when he's been allegedly grown up? He is 31 years old, Trey Miguel. Jesus Christ, how old is the, the commentary was he fucking saying bad things about the Clinton administration? I mean, my God, he's been an adult for 13 years. Apparently it's from years ago. I see something here that says it was in the late 2010s,

and then apparently he was going at it with... Wait a been the late 2010s of seven fucking years ago. He'd have been 24. Go ahead. Apparently he went out at it with a name we haven't heard in a long time, David Starr years ago on Twitter. And of course, David Starr, most famously, I think was the wrestler who kicked off the Me Too movement or whatever it was with wrestling. Was it, was it, was it me too, or was it something else with wrestling? Somebody toot him.

Yeah. He's been gone for a long time and he was one of the first ones, but if they were going at it and David Starr, it was a rotten, canceled, exiled guy, then doesn't it make this guy the baby face? Or were they agreeing with each other? Or were they, I mean, what the fuck is going on here? If they've both been canceled for it, maybe they're both equally. bad. Maybe there should be a promotion for all the canceled wrestlers. Didn't they try that before a couple of them are the only ones with names got signed back again? That's true. But you got to make it like a prison, like an Oz kind of situation.

So like no one's really a baby faced are all heels, but you find heels that you kind of side with every now and then. Yeah, but none of these some bitches says it got canceled out of wrestling could live three days in prison. Do you think this will affect Tony if he has any plans for a four-man tag team championship? Hopefully, hopefully it will. But again, does nobody know what this guy, well, you said it was homophobic and anti-Semitic, but like, that's what I saw, yeah. Well, what was he saying?

Was he trying to make, what was the tenor? Was he trying to make jokes that were falling flat? Or was he calling for the elimination of the Jewish race? Or what the fuck is he? I saw mostly the other ones where it was just like he was like, you're gay. It's just like, almost like an insult telling this person for no reason that, they're gay and then going into more detail about it. And I think he also said that he's a religious guy.

How can you go into more detail about it unless you actually describe the act in which they are currently gaying? What I don't understand is, did he request his release or did it come from up above? Because the way it was first presented to us, it sounded like, and again, why would he immediately request his release a day after signing or whatever it is? I don't know. And if it came from up above, you know, this is like one of those Briscoe's situation. And I'm not defending this guy. Because I don't, you know, he may be an ignorant jackass and he may not be a good wrestler. I don't know.

I've never seen him. But how does it come from up above? Well, that's what I was about to say is for so long the story was that some unnamed TBS executive wouldn't let Jay Briscoe be a part of the show because he tweeted shit in 2013 or whatever the fuck it was. but having all those people changed since then or there's still people in TBS that could say hey Tony

don't use that fucking wrestler or is that you know it makes you wonder if there is a wrestling fan there it makes you wonder if there is like a wrestling nerd there but do they do a check on every wrestler that appears on the television program to dig deep and discover that he once tweeted

stupid shit about this guy or whatever, because else was, how would, again, how would you know? When we were on TBS in the WCW days, except for Flair, most of the top guys could have walked through the middle of CNN Center and nobody would have fucking turned their head. So I don't know how they keep. And again, considering the people that they've had on this program, these celebrities and other questionable individuals

that have done time for shit I don't know what's fine well we'll see what happens maybe they could replace them with alfalfa or one of the other one of the other little rascals maybe Spanky's available I'm not sure

Well, Jim, let's get some questions here on the air. This one sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com was sent by Jay in San Antonio. The Royal Rumble is coming up. Do you have a favorite Royal Rumble match moment? A favorite Royal Rumble match moment? Um, I wasn't involved integrally in an integral fashion in most of the rumbles that my guys were in because

I've got a picture that somebody took I think it was 1995. The Rumble was in Florida and the heavenly bodies were in it and because of the nature of the Royal Rumble you didn't really have managers and involved. So I asked, I think it was Pat Patterson or Jack Lanzer, whoever said, what am I supposed to do? And he said, just go out to the entrance way and point to the ring and send your guy

out of the ring. So there's a picture of me in the entrance way pointing forcefully at the ring and Jimmy Del Rey's running. Like, he's really going to get a head start. And then I turned around and went back. That way. It's there. Yeah, it's that way.

Go. And that's, you know, and they didn't do spots in the rumbles with the manager. So probably my favorite rumble for my part would be. 96 with Vader when I was out there and he did, you know, go crazy and eliminate a bunch of people, but do the whole controversial thing. And then hospitalized gorilla monsoon and went to have surgery. It wasn't seen again until all the heat had died down. But that was probably my favorite rumble.

And what was the one for just a stupid moment where Batisian? and God damn who was it that they accidentally and Sina they accidentally fell over the top rope and eliminated themselves by accident Was it 2005? 2006? Somewhere around there. The one where Vince McMahon came out and tore both of his quads?

Yeah, because he had to come out and save it like he was going to restart it or whatever and he fucking cripples himself. What a cluster fuck. That's probably the greatest Royal Rumble moment, right? he got an accidental double elimination of two guys go over when they're not supposed to and then the boss comes out to restart it and does the on-camera equivalent of breaking both his legs he just melts like the wicked witch just watching him go down

he started trying to get up and it just collapsed I left the Hershey's kiss in the microwave too long it did so yeah I think, I still think the 92 rumble with Flair winning it is just, yeah, legitimately is a, is a good match, yes, it is a positive memory. The whole thing, Bobby Heenan and Gorilla Monson's best night on commentary together. Heenan's best night is a commentator.

Flair running into all of his old opponents, which was never completely referenced, but Kerry Von Erick, Greg Valentine, Roddy Piper, like all these people. Yeah. It was so cool. And again, he won. No, I mean, you didn't really expect him to win and he won. So that one still, to this day, I think is still the best one. 93, before you got there, was when Yokazuna won it,

which was the first year you got a title shot if you win. And I had the weird ending where Randy Savage goes to pin him for whatever reason, because that was never a rule. And Yokazuna throws him over the top rope to the floor. They're kicking out of the country. cover and throws him over the top. Well, because Savage, and was that,

did he nail it that time or did it look a little kabuki-ish? He nailed it for what you could do, but because he was down in a pinning formation, there's no real natural way to... Well, see, that's the thing is, in his younger days, he could take

that bump where if he was covering a big guy who could give him a big push, he could spring and go over the top and it looked halfway legitimate. I think that's what he was going for and it didn't quite didn't quite materialize. So you were never involved with any of the booking behind the Royal

Rumble in terms of figuring out who came where or anything else? Oh, God. Well, I was on the booking committee. Yes, we, I was involved as were other people on Vince's team on the Royal Rumble, but Pat was the layout guy. and we, Vince would tell us who he thought should, you know, it'd be the last guys or who should be featured with a spot or whatever, and we would, obviously there was more to the Royal Rumble card

because that's back when you had to actually draw with these things. So there was still matches up and down the card, the world title, and the grudge match, and then the Rumble and blah, blah, blah. So we would book the card and the TV's leading up to everything. And we knew, thought we did, hopefully we did, who was going to win and who was going to be featured. But Pat Patterson was really a guy that would do the final sit down, lay it out, talk it over, blah, blah, blah. Did you see like the rumbles when they first started? 88 was the first one, which has created the screw with the bunkhouse stampede.

I believe. And then obviously 89 was the one Big John Stud came back and won. But did you see any of these as they were happening? Were you interested in the concept? Well, I didn't see them as they happened because remember we were on the road and in often cases,

working a competing event, but I would get the VHS tape afterwards. And to be honest, again, I didn't microscopically examine WWF wrestling of those days. It just, eh, but individual guys and or big matches and or stuff like that I would zip through and pay attention to because there was still, you know, there was great talent involved

and people that I knew and or worked with. And a boss man by 88, 89 was on the card. So I was keeping an eye on it. And as a concept, the Royal Rumble is one of the most wrestling things that they've ever done in modern times under Vents. Because all it was was a battle royal with a twist. And the battle royal had been so overused and demeaned and made, you know, like the cage match eventually ended up. That used to be the big blow off to settle everything. and it, you know, drew a huge crowd, and then they cage, cage, cage, cage.

Same thing with Battle Royals. But with Pat being able to put a twist on it, this twist, it eliminated, no pun intended, the worst part to the average fan of Battle Battle Royal, which was when all the guys are in there at the same time at the start, it usually sucks until there's enough dumped out that you get some room where people can do shit. So Pad just figured out a way to start with nobody and put more people in rather than start with everybody and take people out.

And that was genius. What did you think of the Brethart Lex Lugar? I think I was 94 right before the WrestleMania match where you managed against them. What did you think of that finish? Oh, God, remind me what it was. They both went over at the same time, allegedly, and they both touched the ground at the same time.

That's right. That's why they both got title match. and the blah, blah, blah. But was that, they did a pretty good job of that one, as I remember, that you couldn't tell it. It was simultaneous because a lot of times the timing on that goes sideways. That's almost impossible to hit. I mean, that's a really hard thing to do if you're both tumbling over to hit the ground at the same time.

Yeah, especially in different places. But I think they did a pretty good job of it that year. Yeah, because it was Brett. Brett could do it. Brett can do anything. that can do anything. It's just that when they started getting too cute with it sometimes, you know, that's,

there's always another great idea. But when they try to start twisting the twist, sometimes it doesn't go too far. See, I always liked when they had like a random wrestler, you know, and as a kid you don't know about political affiliations with different offices or whatever is happening. So all of a sudden it's like, Tenru. Oh, okay.

You know, I remember that guy I was at WrestleMania a few years ago and then Carlos Cologne It's like, holy shit This guy's been in the magazines forever And I think When he came back to Romo Matsu calls him a youngster

Carlos Cologne But Dick Mardock All of a sudden Doug Gilbert It was like always one once And then there was the one year It just went haywire With the AAA connection It was like

Mill Mosquerus and 40 Mexicans I know that was Yeah, well it was in San Antonio And the Alamo don't Yeah, Mill Moskras in every luchador they can get their hands on. We're in that Royal Rumble. But remember, Buddy Landell was going to be in the 96 Rumble,

and that's what he blew his knee on the slippery, icy sidewalk in Philly at a hotel. Do you think Buddy would have gotten himself into really good shape if he had really gotten the run? At that point in his life? At that point in time, if they, he would have gotten as good a shape as he could possibly be in at that point. Because he was... Let's see, hold on. Is he a year older than me or was he two years? He was about to be 40.

And he said, I'll say 37, 38, whatever. He wasn't going to be in 1983 shape anymore in 1996, but he would have, he was already in better shape than he had been at one point a couple of years earlier. So I think he would have done enough to get by. The headhunters, right, weren't. the headhunters in the wrong. Lord. Yeah, the fucking

Jesus Christ on a cracker. And that wasn't the Samoan headhunters. That was the I don't know where they were from, but they gained fame in Puerto Rico. They were twin brothers that were like what, five foot

eight and 400 pounds a piece. They looked like two bowling balls. And they did moonsaults. Yes. They could do some incredible shit, but so they were wild savages, headhunters or whatever. They did some angle for some reason with Davy and Owen. And the first thing that Davy did when one of them ran into the ring was pick him up and body slam him.

Because they were like, Davy and Owen were like having fun at their expense because this is a fucking, it's a fucking rib. It's a fucking rib. Look at these two fucking guys. It's a fucking rib. Well, they had a very memorable Royal Rumble. And, of course, that's what we're talking about here. Memorable. I'll tell you the least memorable Royal Rumble.

Which was the one with the year they had all the gangs. So, like, 12 people in the Royal Rumble were either from the Bikers or the Bariquas. Oh, it was like 98. Oh, it was awful. Around there, yeah. Awful. When you got the Harris boys and Brian Lee, like, and crush, and they're all dressed the same and looked the same. Well, see, that's when old Schittstein thought that he was, since he was, you know,

Near Broadway, he would do his version of Westside story. And that was another of his genius concepts. Do you like the flashy moment of the person is almost eliminated and it doesn't work? It started. It was pretty simple. It was like skinning the cat. And then you get back in, wow, look, they're back in. Now it's like you jump from the ring to something else and you jump to something else and you'll somehow get back.

Then they have one guy walked on his hands. Coffey Kingston has done things. and then I don't know if he was wondering to the hand walking now that you say that. I mean, within, again, within some parameters, I like the idea of one guy having the reputation for being able to do that. It can get a bit silly, but nevertheless,

look at the world we're looking at, the WWE. But, no, I like that idea about trying to avoid the feet on the floor, but it should be, again, either the one guy that has a reputation or somebody important. It just shouldn't be everybody being allowed to do it, or then it loses the special. Well, and of course, those are some memorable Royal Rumble moments.

96 Royal Rumble. Jake the Snake comes back. That was a big moment. I don't know if people today remember just how big it was that he was returning for that. People hadn't seen him. No one knew what he would look like. No one knew he was wearing a vest.

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and we're going to get to a bunch of questions here this week, just like we promise every week. Are you ready? Well, we might not have a bunch of answers, but we're going to get to a bunch of questions. Jim, this question was sent via the Culta Cornette Facebook group by Joe Walters. What is the origin of the phrase to powder out?

Well, oh, God, let me see how I can convey this to civilians. isn't it an old saying from God, I guess, maybe the 40s or 50s, if you take a powder, you leave, you exit, go, run off, take a powder. Or am I just, have I been in wrestling too long? I don't know how many people outside of wrestling use that phrase, certainly now. I mean, I'm not sure. I don't know.

Well, it seems to be that it was an expression outside wrestling. but actually that's what it means. It wasn't actually powder out, although some people now say that, but take a powder means get the fuck out of there. And I guess it wasn't industry-wide because when Adrian Street and Linda came to Tennessee in the early 80s and I was managing them,

in Nashville, you couldn't get together with the baby faces. The locker rooms were on the other side of the building. So Dundee, when he was the booker, he would write down the finish unless it was just so-and-so over with Sunset Flip and he'd send it over. And because I was the only one that could read Dundee's writing, I would translate it for my guys.

And it said something like, okay, Cornett do this and Linda do that. And then heels take a powder. And Adrian thought that it'd been like, What, like a headache powder? Take a powder. They didn't say that in England. He thought, what medicine?

What is he saying? And then take a powder. Leave, go. We're going to powder. I don't know how to explain it any more than that. I'm not sure if that explained anything. But thank you. Well, was it originally when somebody vanished?

They turned into powder? I don't know. They got a powder their nose? that wouldn't that wouldn't really work no not not in this context so I I guess it's just one of those things but I've always I understood it all right well that's uh thank you for your question yes thank you for your service um all right well Jim our next question are we ready to take a powder our next question here Jim was sent via the culticordinate Facebook group and this was sent in by Derek Moran.

Starcade 87 was the best entrance of the Midnight Express, in my opinion, mostly due to the snazzy outfits Jim and the Midnight were wearing. Where did he get that snazzy suit? Was it made in the back for him, or was it locally sourced? Neither one it was made, but not in the back.

We didn't have... seamstresses and costume people at that point. It was helped also because they really went all out and got a fog machine. You remember that? So the guys walked through. I mean, this was a big deal. I like a $200 fucking fog machine from some disco. But that added to it.

And the boys had just got some new outfits. And I had, as I recall, that was just a regular suit coat and things that I had had. somebody put spangly sequins and material and applique on the lame material and stuff like that. So I had somebody make it, but not there and on my own dime. Because that's what they didn't pay for your stuff back in those days, the promoter. And when I got to the WWF and they always have the seamstresses do it. What? and there was the sisters Julie and Terry

and they could make pants or you know repair stuff or they'd make a jacket or whatever the little sister was always making Michaels as shit and she had matching outfits she would wear where she would dress up like Sean Michaels. That was a little hard to take for a lot of the guys but the older sister she was fairly level-headed. She made me those gold lame pants.

that I wore for WrestleMania 10. What was the question? Was there an unofficial seamstress in the Crockett locker room? Well, no, but like at one point, and this is fairly well known, Johnny Walker, Mr. Wrestling 2's wife, Olivia, made the robes for Flair and Valentine and Piper, those five and seven and eight and ten thousand dollar robes. She was a professional and an artiste. and so a lot of the Crockett guys had those

because they were the only ones that could afford them is the guys that were really on top in like the Carolinas or Georgia and making big money. The question was about this was the favorite entrance, StarCade 87. Oh, that was his favorite entrance. What is yours? What is yours? Do you have a favorite entrance?

I don't know if you ever really think in that context just because the entrance today versus back then is totally different. well it wasn't our favorite entrance because we were going out for another fucking scaffold match we just wished that we could have worked with the rock and roll in a regular match in Chicago on a big show but again that's even that was us a regular match would have been a better match but would it have got the interest that a scaffold match between these two yahoo's win anyway I don't know of a particular interest of a particular interest that stood at because we didn't do

like you said elaborate entrances in those days I remember the what was the bash or goddamn one of the WCW pay per views there was this long fucking ramp

and they kept saying go go and we had no music so we're walking we're walking halfway down the ramp and then our music starts and I'm saying well this is completely fucked up so I remember a few stinkers, but not really any good ones. Usually when you're in the back, did you wait for like, especially when they changed it up

to the generic Midnight Express music, there was a drumbeat at the beginning. Did you wait for that or did you not? Yes, we always milked it a little bit, especially at house shows where you had a little more time on TV. You had to pretty much go, but we didn't want to go before the music started. But we would milk it. They got mad at me in Dallas at Fort Worth that the July. 4th show 85 when I did the thing with Sunshine because I brought I'm walking on sunshine by Katrina

in the Waves which was a hit on the radio at that point in time and I milked it they were running their TV tape was rolling as like it's my last night I don't give a shit I milked it until the fucking vocals started they're like go go I'm fucking I'm getting it right all right Jim let's see how much more you get right. Our next question was sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Toby Lane and Asheville, North Carolina. That sounds like the most Asheville, North Carolina name also that I could imagine. Hey, Toby! Well, here's a heck of a question. Jim Crockett Sr. passed away in 1973 at the age of 64. How different would the world of wrestling have been if Crockett

senior had lived another 20 years say until 1993 was he a better promoter than his son? Wow and that's a heck of a loaded question, wow. I'm kind of goddamn depressed now because I'm 64

but Jim Crockett Sr. weighed what about 350 pounds by that point in time so and it was the medical science has come a long way so I feel better now. I'm working myself up into feeling better. well that is a loaded question but it could have gone either way because jim crocket

senior was one of the more honest promoters his word was his bond handshake the whole nine yards didn't rock the boat didn't make waves with didn't when you think about it other than when he tried to run new york against vince mcmann well but that and that was early on and that was because he well but think about it he got rocka and there there was things going on there was ill feelings right so but for the most part even his own territory remember it wasn't until he died and then they got john ringley to run things and they changed talent brought in valentine and wahu that they started going to the bigger buildings and upgrading the talent roster.

It had always been a steady, reliable, regional territory built around tag teams. The baby faces stayed there forever. George Becker in 1973 was not only still the Booker, he was still wrestling, and he was 60 years old.

And I'm wondering if Jim Crockett had to, in the 80s, had to compete with the national expansion, by then he would have still been in his 70s. And if he hadn't already decided to retire and turn things over to the sons... Or son-in-law.

I mean, if we're talking to this alternate universe, maybe the son-in-law at that point still. Well, but the son-in-law still wants to fuck around. But the son-in-law may not have gotten caught if he wasn't involved with the wrestling business actively at that point. But by the same thing, token, I think fuck around, fuck around pretty soon you won't

be around is universally. Even in the world where Crockett Sr. lives, the son-in-law is still going to fuck around on Francis. But point being, would they have fought a fight like that later on in the 70s

if Jim Crockett Sr. had still been around? And they hadn't changed the territory because it wasn't his style. Then the Carolina territory from 19, 75 to 1980 wouldn't have been the biggest money in W.A. territory. And a lot of that talent may have gone to Atlanta and Florida and Texas and other places and other promoters would have been stronger.

Not to say that Crockett Sr. was a better promoter, probably promoter than Crockett Jr., because Crockett Sr. stayed in business for 40 years with no outlaws running him out of the Carolinas, no outside investors, no body but the family

owning a part of the promotion. But he also didn't run big mega major events and bring in tons of outside stars past the NWA champion every so often. So would it have developed

into the juggernaut territory that it was that led to it being able to be successful on TBS or would it have been Mid-South or would Georgia not have have fallen? Would he have paid Vince McMahon a million dollars for the TBS time slot?

I don't know that Jim Crockett, Sr. with his frame of reference, could have stomach paying a million dollars for anything. Because remember he started, he started before Nick Goulos. He started the business in 1933. He ran not only the wrestling

promotion, but he promoted country music events. He promoted the Harlem Globetrotters. They had a minor league baseball team. And Crockett Sr. did a lot of his business in a booth at the fucking grill in Charlotte.

He didn't even have an office for some period of the time that he was in charge of the whole thing. He didn't like to be big and showy he he drove an old car because he told the boys that he didn't want

the fans to see him driving a big fancy car when they're coming paying three dollars to see his fucking matches so I don't know if he was the kind of guy that would have gone with this whole expansion craze

if Jim Crock and senior lives do you think we ever get nature boy Rick Flair that does George Scott ever ever start booking? Well, again, I think Crockett Sr. would have liked Flair as a talent, but I don't know whether that George Scott would have ever got the opportunity to book.

I don't know whether Wahoo and Valentine would have been brought into the Carolinas for Wahoo to be able to recommend Flair, because that was, again, the complete departure from the assassins and Weaver and Becker. and the Anderson brothers and the style of wrestling, the talent pool, and the tag team orientation, and the weekly shows in the smaller buildings. That way, except for Greensboro, the big shows at the Coliseum and big shows in Charlotte at the Coliseum, the Carolina Territory was still a smaller, weekly, ongoing, steady but not spectacular operation.

and I'll tell you this, in the early 60s when the Fargoes went to the Carolinas, they were making half as much money as they were making in the Tennessee territory. So something was fucking different. All right, good question. Thank you for sending it in. Jim, our next question was sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from John Adams, Christ Church, New Zealand. Oh, I thought you meant that was where he was currently praying. This is an interesting question, because I think we hear it sometimes from younger fans.

My question is about Rick Flair. I got into wrestling in the late 90s and early 2000s when WWF and WCW were duking it out for ratings. It was guys like Brett Hart, Scott Hall, and the late great Eddie Guerrero that really made me fan. I kept hearing about what a big deal Rick Flair was, and the shows he was on loved to remind you, but the Rick Flair I saw was a leathery old man in a sequenced gown who spammed chops and yelled woo. I didn't get what all the hoopla was about. Obviously, I'm too young to have seen the territory days, and your mileage is going to vary. Well, wait, what's happened to YouTube? Is that available in his location?

I really don't get why people say Rick Flair is the greatest wrestler of all time. I feel like any wrestling fan from any era could watch any of Brett Hart's matches and come away thinking, bloody hell. He's a great wrestler. But did you really have to be there to think that about Rick Flair? If I've missed something, are there any classic Rick Flair matches you could point to that showcases wrestling skills? And that's his question, and we've heard from other friends.

fans saying, you know, I think much younger than this listener even, saying that they don't get what made Rick Flair stand out in the 80s. Well, that's, again, he's saying that he saw late 90s, early 2000s, WCW and WWF duking it out for the ratings, there's Brett Hart. And Flair was 50. And yes, unfortunately, because of all of that. sun tanning, I wouldn't say that Flair had the greatest complexion, you know, after all of those years. But the way that he's phrasing it, he's expecting the 50-year-old Rick Flair to be the greatest,

still be the greatest wrestler in the world. And isn't that like, you know, Mike Tyson just had a fucking gimmick fight, but did anybody think that Mike Tyson from a year or two ago or whatever? whatever this was, was the same guy? Or do you want to watch Shaquille O'Neal play basketball when he's 60 years old? Or, I mean, I can understand arguing with,

okay, this guy in his time when Flair was the same age as Brett, how were they comparable? But to say you don't get Flair, because when you were watching him, he was fucking 50, what is something you're missing is the previous 30 years um to me if if you if you look at and I'll just say this much less the 1989 flare and steamboat matches or the 86 and 87 flare and windom matches if you go back and look at you know almost anything of Rick from the 80s with flare and garvin

Flair and whatever But you know Flair and Bobby Eaton for fuck's sake on those main events and Flair was 40 at that point But then you get an idea of why that all the guys in the ring felt that way

And that he was He wasn't the absolute best in the ring He wasn't the absolute best promo He didn't have the absolute best physique He wasn't the But he was the absolute best of the total package of everything. And I think that's what you need to be looking at,

but don't start when he's 50 and go from there. See, it's almost like there's two Rick Flares as a performer. There's Rick Flair, in my eyes, almost up to when Hogan comes in in 94 to WCW. And then there's the Rick Flair after who wasn't the same in the ring because he was getting older, but really up. the theatrics. Started doing the greatest hits all the time, and that's, you know, what you saw.

There wasn't the, the night in and night out, the stuff in the middle of the 40-minute match, besides the upside down and the face flop and a couple of other things that he was just incredible at. He just went to the kind of flare, instead of a parody, it was a flarity. That's good.

No, but I mean, that's kind of, though, what happened with the promos, too. Again, he was still super over, and he was entertaining. But he was always insane then. He's always crazy. He's beating up his suit, yeah. I mean, he's taken off his clothes and elbow dropping his suit or just doing things like that that he never did. It's like, it's a different Rick Flair than Rick Flair up until the steamboat matches in early 94. I think the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.

exuded confidence everywhere. Yes. And then between Vince and WCW and all that craziness, they cracked his confidence and then he started working and trying, more trying than working way too hard all the time to justify the thought that most people still had was that he was the best. and then it just kind of went over the top.

Yeah, and in terms of what he was, he did stuff that is now popular before everyone did it. There weren't a lot of guys kicking out in near fall. Again, he was in world title matches every night. He made getting close to that three count an art. And it was a big deal. However, foot on the rope, hand on the rope,

shoulders slightly up. However he got out of it, he made it an art. and his matches were exciting, his promos were the best. I mean, they were incredible. And to a younger fan, I think, in an era before there were catchphrases, again, Wu now may not be the same as Rick Flair doing Wu in the 80s, which felt hip and fresh, you know what I mean? It's a different thing now than what it was then.

Well, and besides that, you know, you talk about the little things, you know, coming out of a pin or a... the last second or whatever, that's the thing that everybody has tried to copy all the boys, I should say, has tried to copy Flair from the previous generation on down. And you mentioned something very important. Flair for most of the best 10 years of his career

was in a world title main event match every night. And guys copying all the shit that he was, was doing, they're not. They're in the second, third match on a fucking card, but they still all wanted to be Rick Flair or wanted to be the guy that wanted to be Rick Flair. Now that the generations have changed. And they lost the part about the context of him always doing these things in the main

event and always being figured in and in some fashion. And now everybody thinks everything has to be the main event of Starcate 86. And again, to anyone doesn't see it, Rick Flair, up until 94, I mean, the Vader feud and the Vader match at the end of 93 when they had to do something after the Sid Arn thing happened, his return in the tag match with the Hollywood Blonde's, his WWF run, which is actually better than people give it credit for, and everything he did before that. He was top three in the entire business for close to 20 years, 15 years? Do you know, and again, my friend Joe Dombrovsky, I can't spell his name, but just look up Joe Dombrovsky, folks.

I told you he had done the Harley Race DVD, and he's also got one on Flair, traveling champion matches and different things that they've compiled. And one of the matches on this tape, and I had not seen this actual match, I'd heard about it, was when Flair went to Memphis in 85 and D. defended against Cocoa where? Oh, I've seen that one. That's the one that got him all the heat with Bill Dundee. Yes. Or got Dundee all the heat with him, I should say. It was the other way around, yeah. But, well, Flair thought that he was going to Memphis.

He'd heard of Dundee. Dundee had been the fucking Booker in Mid-South and he'd been in Tennessee forever. He'd heard of Bill Dundee. But at that point, he'd never heard of Coco. And fucking Dundee thought that he would get heat if he booked, because he was the booker too, if he booked himself. in a world title match. So he did an angle

because he was a heel at the time and Coco beat him for the fucking title shot. And Flair gets in a cab on the way to the Coliseum from the airport. And the cab driver's talking about his match with Cocoa Ware. And it's like, who the fuck is Cocoa where? But the point is it was the best match on the tape

with Flair with all these other, and Flair and Harley and Flair and all these other guys. Coco at that time was the perfect opponent for Rick Flair. He was a young, athletic, baby face with a lot of leaping ability and had some snazzy moves and he could listen. And I've said Coco could work his ass off in those days. And you could see that Flair, when he started the match, he was just kind of calling standard kind of, you know, grammar school stuff

because he didn't know how this guy was going to be or what the fuck, but not only when he saw that Coco was there for things, but to people were behind him, then he ended up making it one of the best matches Cocoa ever had and a tear-down-the-house fucking world title match because Coco could do the things that he called, and it was best.

Flair against Harley may have been great, flare against Dusty may have been great, But Flair and Steamboat, Flair and Windham, and Coco fit that pattern then. A young, athletic baby face that can sell and make fiery comebacks. That was the opponent that Flair loved to work with and did his best shit with. You know what other Flair matches I really like from that era? And a lot of them exist as house show matches, the best examples. But you talk about someone who, when Wright could listen to Flair, Flair and Kerry Von Erick.

Yes. because Flair was kind of like a Von Erick whisperer. He figured out the three or four things that the boys each did well and just constantly worked around all those things. And then he depended on the boys being over with the crowd, which they always were and got as much heat on them as he could because they had fire on their comebacks, fire and taters. The Texas Stadium match is kind of a stinker,

but beyond that, their matches were usually. Well, and also that was the short. one ever, too. Because they had, they were doing television. They wanted everybody to see it. But I don't see why they didn't have them go the whole goddamn, well, I don't see why they didn't have them go the whole television show. They couldn't be a better finish than a backslide?

I'm just, well, I'm not defending that either. Well, that's why Rick Flair was so special. That was the question there. Jim, let's get another question. this one was sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from chefee in Israel and he appears to have maybe not have English as his first language so I'll do my best here the match between the subject of- You already sound like you didn't have English as he doesn't have English as his first language

the subject of the email how many have you gone through before you got to English? The subject of the email is did Vince drop the ball on Savage in 94? And here's the question. Before the match between macho man Randy Savage and headtrinker Fatu, Jim called Savage the gold standard. But Vince didn't treat Randy Savage in a positive way. He wanted to start a youth movement and then made Bob Back when the world champion at the age of 45 years old.

How would Jim do with the Savage situation? And did Vince know what he lost? So let's re-combobulating that into Vince McMahon letting Randy Savage leave, which, according to most people, was because he also didn't want to use Randy Savage as a top wrestler anymore. And Randy wanted to be used that way and paid that way. Yes. What do you think, looking back now, did Vince drop the ball? I don't know if dropping the ball is the correct phrase, but that's, the thing, it's like when Herd decided that Flair was too old and wanted to go to Sting and Lugar,

that was in 1990. And Vince was, he had, he was on the outs with Hogan at that point. And he was trying to establish the new talent. And when Vince does something, he, as we've seen, digs in and goes all the way. and he wanted Savage to be more of the Babe Ruth type, the Goodwill Ambassador, the legendary superstar, do commentary, whatever, but he wasn't going to put him in main events anymore. And I'm not faulting him having a vision and wanting to stick to it,

but the thing is Savage had proved, and of course Savage was tightly wound. it was sometimes hard to deal with. But he proved that he had another three or four more years at least to go before he really had issues. And he may have had a few more years than that if he hadn't, when he went to WCW got himself so jacked up on the sauce that he was just at some points looking immobile.

But I definitely think it was too soon, Vince decided he was going to do it. And Randy said, well, I'm not, I'm not fucking done yet. And he took the offer to go to Atlanta. And I know that Vince was affected by it. I was the one that ended up doing commentary on Raw with Vince for, what, six weeks or so after that because they had nobody that they had planned. They didn't know that it was going to happen.

So they didn't have somebody else to step in. and he made that announcement the first, you know, the first show without Savage, we wish him well. And he was affected by it. I don't think he thought that he would ever go. But by the same token, you know, he tried to retire Randy probably two or three or four years too soon. And then whatever he found out or happened

or decided after the fact that caused Randy to be banished, forever was not in effect that night when Randy first left or elsewise Vince wouldn't have given that heartfelt little short speech about it. So I don't know. I don't think the heat was because of him sleeping with Stephanie. I think the heat was him taking Slim Jim because they tried to hold on the Slim Jim. They had Bam Bam Bigelow, I think, doing the commercials. And then they just jumped to WCW to get back to Randy Savage. And that's when WWF was the most vulnerable in terms of needing money. Well, there you go.

He might have snapped into the wrong goddamn deal there. But yeah, that's, you know, I, again, I hesitate to comment on what people have done in the past that you're not exactly sure. But I'm pretty sure that there was a little mercenary with Vince also as well as, personal. So, and that slim Jim thing was quite a bit of money at that period of time when they needed it. All right, Jim, our next question was sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Jeremy in Minneapolis. Stay safe out there. This week on Nxte, and this was sent 12 days ago for the record, this week on NXT, J.C. Jane delivered a knee to the face of Kendall Gray, who is a future star you should pay attention to

and it landed so stiff that Kendall needed emergency dental work the next day. Jesus Christ! I discovered that Jeff Hardy, Charlotte Flair, Neville, aka Pack, Natty Nighthart, and Cesaro slash Claudio, and most famously Mick Foley, had all lost teeth in the ring.

And there are likely many more that never publicly reported it. Mark Briscoe would like a word with you. How common is it for wrestlers to need an emergency dentist? Is the problem getting worse today? Or was it a problem in the older territory days too? Well, actually, back before the days of fluoride, we really had trouble. Finally, if someone is accidentally too stiff,

how do they make amends in the locker room? Well, apologize. No, I mean, things happen, and there's always a stray live round, and it's not ballet and all those other cliches. If you potato somebody and hurt them especially, yes, in the locker room, definitely go apologize, oh, Jesus Christ, and be prepared, if you were being careless or dangerous, or reckless or did something stupid that you should have known better than to do,

then be prepared to get your ass chewed out. But a lot of guys will go, if it was accidental and couldn't have been helped, we'll say it was accidental and couldn't have been helped. But as far as an emergency dentist, in the old days, that was called a dentist. Because, you know, you might not be able to afford. an emergency dentist or there might not be one on call and guys would go to a dentist when when they had time to and or the money to because what the fuck if you're a wrestler missing teeth it doesn't you know big deal with the girls now and or you know guys being TV stars

and needing to do all of these shoots and everything I can see now they have emergency he dentist to put everything back in. But no, I mean, it shit happens. Michael Hayes knocked mine out at the New Daisy Theater for Randy Hales and Power Pro Wrestling. It was

me and Randy Hales, I believe it was when he was a heel against Brandon Baxter and Michael Hayes. And Hayes had taken Brandon Baxter under his wing as his protege. And we got to heat on Brandon, and

He gave the tag to Michael, and I came in, and Michael gave me one of those looping rights to the top of my head. And he hit me so hard on the top of the head that both of my teeth, upper and lower teeth, clacked together, and broke this front tooth off, the one that I've talked about I have vibration in. There was a crown anyway, it broke it off almost at the gum line, and I spit it out and held it in my hand for the rest of the comeback. and then Brandon gave me the stunner, one, two, three, and I got back to the locker room with my tooth in my fucking hand.

So I had to, that's when I had this big, no, it wasn't this post, it was the previous post. I had the previous post putting this son of a bitch. But anything, he always heard Michael Hayes was stiff.

No, that's why Watts took him out of the fucking ring and put Buddy Roberts. Michael Hayes fit the picture. He gave the Freebirds their look. He was the promo. his work was the shits. And so Watts got

Buddy Roberts team with Gordy so that Hayes could be the mouthpiece, manager, the third guy and a six man, heat magnet, but that it was easier on the guys to work every night with Gordy and Roberts. But it's not like that he was just the shits,

you know, and would fall down, but he couldn't work in terms of he would, that left-hand jab that he would throw was beautiful. It would barely fucking touch you. And then he'd hit you with a right and he'd knock you the fuck out. That's why it's always fun watching Ivan Erickson the Freebirds because the two stiffest car. Oh, Jesus.

No, Dennis Condry said it's a friendly shoot. It's like you're really fighting for real, but nobody's going to get mad. All right. Well, that was the friendly. dentist question or emergency dental work. Mike Lano did some work for Cactus Jack. He was brought up in the thing there. It didn't work out so well.

That's when Collette's teeth fell out at the hotel over breakfast the next day, right? Jim, let's get another question here. This one was sent via the Colta Cornette Facebook group by Bobby Eller. How did Rick Rood get paired with DX? Was this for protection on the road? Rude seemed like a no-nonsense guy while Michaels and Hunter were nothing but nonsense. Oh my God, I cannot

remember the exact train of chain of the events of the thought process. Rude had one of those Lloyds of London insurance policies like some of the guys had and when he got the back injury, he had cashed it in. And remember Animal had one. He got a back injury and he cashed his policy in. And then later on, he could come back to wrestling,

but only in tag matches. Some way or another, it didn't violate the deal if he had tag matches, but it would if he had a single match. And goddamn, who else did Hennig, Kurt Hennig, have one? I believe so, at one point. And he cashed in on it when he got to back injury. And I think at one point, Flair was the only one that had taken out a Lloyds of London insurance policy and didn't collect on it because he would rather keep wrestling than have the fucking, just have the money.

But Rude had done something with the Lloyds of London policy where he couldn't work, but they were going to make him an enforcer or bodyguard. of, you know, whatever the case. And I don't remember at the time, to be honest, what the thought process was of putting him with Michaels and Hunter, because even though I may have, what time period was that? That was 97 because he left after the Brett Hart thing, didn't he? That's right.

And it was the end of 97. So I was still on the creative team just barely. But some of those. memories are clouded by PTSD. Even if he wasn't going to work, it felt like a complete waste of Rick Rood just standing there holding a briefcase. Well, exactly. And that's why that again, he was one of the guys they didn't sign on contract.

And he made the jump without telling anybody and went to do the same thing in WCW for probably more money, but ended up showing up on WCW. television either what was it same day or a couple days after he'd been on ours oh no it was the same day and he shaved same day and he shaved his beard yeah to show that our show was taped but i don't blame him because they just they obviously he didn't like what he was fucking given to do jim our next question sent via the call to cornet facebook group was sent in by john stephens ever meet rattlesnake Jeff Rates? He used to come

over and drink at my grandparents' house with my folks back in the late 80s. I am remembering the name Jeff Rates and was he one of the guys that as world class was circling the

drain was one of the guys that was used there because I remember him being a Texas local fellow and I couldn't put a face to him or do you remember that name i do i remember him he was on uh uwf tv he was used a little bit by bill watson and in the dying days of everything in texas he was one of those guys that you know who knows what could have been different if he had come along 10 years earlier but i came along five years

earlier so i missed him so i don't really have any not one not nothing i got nothing brian no this is going well all right well jeff fucking rates i mean give me a break for god's sake Give me anything to work with. Jim, our next question was sent via email to corny drive-thru at gmail.com. This one is from David Frederick. Hello, Mr. Cornet. That sounds assumed. Hello, Mr. Cornyett.

I'm an old school fan since 1986, formerly of West Philadelphia. What are your thoughts on the over-the-top rope disqualification? rule. I think it's the dumbest, lamest, stupidest, stupidest cop-out way to end the match and for a heeled champion to keep their title. But what is your historical perspective and possibly when and where it got started? A P.S., his first show, August 16th, 1986, Philadelphia Civic Center, Jim should remember that night very well. That was the tag title change between to rock and roll in the midnight, where they want it back. Well, it's like a lot of things.

If you did it now, people would fucking just, their heads would catch on fire. Nobody would get it. Like he just said, they'd say, oh, that's stupid and it's crazy and what the fuck. But at the time that it was going on and was a thing in wrestling, there were, like in the AWA or in Bruisers, WWA in Indianapolis, there was no top rope rule.

And I guess there wasn't in the old WWWF either, but it was a rule in most but not all of the NWA territories. And it goes back decades and decades. And the reasoning behind it was simple. If you break it down to its essence, to its core, throwing a guy over the top rope means that you are grabbing your opponent, and throwing him not only out of the ring, but over the top rope, which is at least eight feet above the concrete floor,

and that could result in serious injury. So intentionally, trying to seriously injure your opponent by throwing him out of the ring over the top rope is a disqualification. Well, you'd be crazy to let that go on. And that's the way it was presented, and that's why everybody, I have seen fucking people hit their feet and jump up and down and scream and throw shit because the heeled through the baby face over the top rope behind the referee's back. Because when it was being done and explained and taken for granted as that's the way it is,

it worked. And yes, business-wise, it was easy to get heat on the baby face that way, by doing that behind a referee's back. It was also a way that a champion could steal his, or not steal, but retain his title on a cheap, inconclusive fluke thing when he had all he could stand. He couldn't stand as to more. He's about to lose.

He dumps the guy over the top rope. Fuck you. There's a rematch next week with no disqualification. Simple, easy. So for a variety of business reasons, and to make the matches easier and to make the rematches more important and to establish the stipulation,

I always liked it. And I didn't know why that the people or the territories who allowed guys to throw people over the top rope, why they didn't get with the fucking picture. but here's the thing in the AWA throwing a guy over the top rope was okay but if you ran him into the ring post

that was an automatic disqualification well that wasn't an automatic disqualification in Tennessee but a pile driver was but if you went to the NWA territory in fucking West Texas because the funks loved pile drivers the pile driver was okay but it would start a riot in the Tennessee territory if you pile drive the fucking baby face because it was legitimately

illegal with the Tennessee State Athletic Commission because Nick and Roy had made it that way in the 40s so that they would have a way to get heat on the baby faces. So you make one of the safer moves that you can do a disqualification and make it dangerous and then you draw money with it. Same thing. Yeah, you know, I've never been a big fan of it because I grew up in WWF territory

where Hulk Hogan regularly threw guys over the top rope. Hulk Hogan regularly did a lot of heel stuff, but, you know, guys went over the top rope all the time and somehow got back in the ring before getting counted out, and the match continued. But I could certainly, you know, I certainly see... Well, but also, well, here's the thing. What about off the top rope?

Because again, depending on the territory, and it wasn't even exclusive in the NWA territories, when I was a fan as a kid, Tennessee territory, if you jumped off the top rope on your opponent, that was illegal. That was an automatic disqualification. And I think Roy Shire did that, I believe, for San Francisco,

because Ray Steven, the knee drop off the top rope. That was a deadly maneuver. But while, like in Mid-South, when the Middite Express first went to Mid-South, Bobby didn't do top-rope shit because coming off the top rope except behind the referee's back in Tennessee was illegal.

So he was doing the knee and the elbow off the second rope because top rope was illegal in Mid-South. But then when we went to Dallas, it wasn't illegal to jump off the top rope. It was just stupid because the rings were concrete. But then we get to Crockett, who's the biggest NWA territory, but off the top rope is legal there. So Bobby starts coming off the top rope on Atlanta TV

two or three times in every match show all a shit he can do. It just, it depended on which territory had decided what rules were more advantageous to getting heat, establishing rematches, and doing stipulations. Were Crocket's rings the best rings you guys had been in to that point? There was a few nice ones in. The Tennessee territory had nice rings in some cases in terms of give for taking bumps.

Like Troy Graham, Dream Machine would say, I can fly in that Jackson ring. I can fly. But they also had some that the padding was the shits and the wood was blah. Mid-South had good rings, but it also, because they had a ring in every building. It wasn't like the same one. You didn't, you know, you could have the best ring that you'd ever been in and the worst ring you'd ever been in in the same fucking week. But overall, I think for cleanliness, well-maintained,

and bumpability, yes, the Crockett rings were the best that we'd been in, but still, you had a variety of rings. And they used an old ring in fucking Roanoke that the ropes were so tight that when you hit it, it was like hitting a fucking cheese grater. And another spot show ring might have those, the hoses around the ropes that weren't taped down in the corners where when you'd stand up on them, it would roll under your feet. there was no consistency in any territory of rings because they ran the buildings so often they had, in every regular building, they had their own fucking ring. All right, Jim, our final question here today. And then we're going to powder. This was sent to corny drythru at gmail.com from Sean on Long Island. Is the NWO the greatest wrestling angle and storyline of all time?

No, the angle itself was one of the best ones because it did draw so much money. The storyline as a whole got so goddamn convoluted. If you want to take it all the way from beginning to end, it got so convoluted, so many people joined, so many people left, they had a red and black division, whatever. That was caca. But the angle of Nash and Hall showing up to where, the way it was worked where enough people believed they were still with the WWF, and it was a real legitimate invasion, you know, one promotion to another,

that was one of the great angles of all time, I will say that. And if you want to include as an addendum to that or a super up or Hogan, turn and heel, and joining the three or joining them to make the three of them, then that as a continuation of the entire invasion angle fits as well, but the whole storyline just degenerated into Kaukai after quite a while, didn't it? Is it hard to end the storyline? Is that one of the hardest things to do when you have a successful storyline, finding out a way to actually end it?

I mean, the bloodline kind of fizzled out too. Again, not to the degree of the NWO, what you're, you're saying is absolutely correct, but how do you get out of it? See, that's the thing. It's easy. It's easy to know what the end is. Good triumphs over evil in the end. The hard part is figuring out how to make it different every time and how to make it fit the picture. And sometimes if good doesn't get even enough, it just kind of fucking fizzles. but the thing is that's why there were always so many great blowoffs in the territory days, so many great climactic matches and sellouts and memorable last stampedes and things like that,

because then the heel would just leave the fucking territory. And he'd go and do great things somewhere else, but in the meantime, the baby face had triumphed over evil as far as the folks in Monroe, Louisiana knew. and now you can't ultimately blow off any angle unless you get rid of the goddamn heel and they're all under contract and so they can't. So the heel has to come out the next week

after he's got his ass kicked with his dick in his hand and start over again. That's why they don't want to completely blow the fucking heel off anymore. because he's still got to come back, which is why that no baby face ever gets a goddamn triumphant moment that will be remembered by the ages. Because to do that, you got to shit in the other guy's face.

Well, there it is. And with that, the drive-thru is closed. With the face-shitting. All right. We're back next week or more shit-facing, face-shitting. Shit-facing. More shit-facing here on the show.

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