Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 436

Episode Date: March 28, 2026

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews WWE Raw, and talks about fast food, TNA paying Grado with a drawing of a check, Sycho Sid & Dennis Rodman into the WWE Hall Of Fame, origin of the smart ma...rk, Ronda Rousey, Ted DiBiase Jr., PowerTown, retro figures, and much more! Plus a watch-along of The Heavenly Bodies vs. The Rock & Roll Express in WCW in 1993! Thanks to our episode sponsors: HELIX:  Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 27% Off Sitewide exclusive for listeners of the Jim Cornette Experience!  SUNDAYS FOR DOGS: Go right now to sundaysfordogs.com/JCE50 and get 50% off your first order! SHOPIFY:  Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial and start selling today at shopify.com/jce POCKET HOSE:  Text JCE to 64000 to get a FREE pocket pivot and their 10-pattern sprayer with the purchase of ANY size Copper Head hose. Message and data rates may apply. Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: CornyDriveThru@gmail.com  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello again, friends, and you are our friends. Welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's Drive-Thru where we're going to have fun, so much fun that we can't even get it started. I'm your host, the great Brian Last, and here with me, of course, the star of the show, we got some topics and some reviews, and who knows what else, Mr. Jim Cornett.
Starting point is 00:00:42 You didn't even try there. You were just getting it over with. Oh, that's not true. Right at the start, you realized I, just I've screwed this up already. The best thing I can say about it, it wasn't as loud as normal. Is that because of your fancy damn noise filter? You got that noise filter.
Starting point is 00:01:00 It's supposed to filter out the sounds of like cars crashing and 747 engines revving and cats being disemboweled. Does it also mute some of your organ playing? No. And that was the way I intended to play it today because, you can't always do the extended version. People get spoiled by that. You kind of have to bring it back to what it originally was,
Starting point is 00:01:25 which is the fast-pounding wrestling heat theme song of a... What's the theme that a great Brian last? But we're just babbling and... Yes. ...allel of words together here today. It's going to be a great show, ladies and gentlemen. We are, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to have fun today.
Starting point is 00:01:41 It's been a stressful few days previously. We're going to have fun today. We're going to have so much fun. We can't stand it. We're going to talk about funny people doing fun. things. Here's something that's funny. The goddamn weather sucks. Ha, ha, ha. Do you realize, Brian, that less than 48 hours ago, as we sit here right here right now, it was the hottest day ever recorded in the month of March in Louisville, Kentucky. 89 degrees is what it was.
Starting point is 00:02:12 and this morning it was 34 outside. And I don't know whether to sweat or shiver because I'm always doing one of the other because I had my normal, my sweatshirt and my jacket that I wear now that I'm old and elderly to keep me warm against the cold and the harsh weather in the wintertime, Brian, and I realized a few days ago,
Starting point is 00:02:40 well, I'm sweating my fucking balls off. So then I took off the jacket and I got my t-shirts out. And I went around and I turned the air conditioning on everywhere in the house. So it would be comfy. And then I woke up this morning. It was like 60 fucking two degrees because the air conditioning's on and it's freezing outside. So then I've got to go around to turn it fucking eat on. Do you have these problems?
Starting point is 00:03:12 Having them at the same time as you, it was 20-something. this morning. Right now it's about 45. It's going to be 66, I think, tomorrow. So it's just, it's all over the place. And now for sports. No, but we had the heat on in the bedroom and it somehow got warmer than the heat. And I was like, what the fuck? And then I was like, do I put the fan on? I can't put the AC on. You can't put the AC on if it's below 65, they say. What? If it's below 65 degrees, you're not supposed to put the air conditioner on. What moron are you speaking to? Is it 65 or 55? But there's like a couple. I don't know what it is. For the health of your unit, you're not
Starting point is 00:03:51 supposed to put it on below a certain temperature. Well, no, because, but now think about this. It doesn't, it's not what the temperature is outside. It's what you want the temperature to be inside. And obviously, if you turn the air conditioning on when it's 30-something degrees outside, did you set it on 70 or whatever unless you have been had an open fire going in your house the air conditioning is not going to kick on because it's not going to be that out in your house but but you can have the air conditioning mode on if it's 45 degrees outside or whatever but the air should not kick on in your home as a result of it being that fucking chilly outside.
Starting point is 00:04:47 It's not like it's going to blow up. Oh God, I turned the air on. It's going to be blow 50. Well, what are you saying then? What are you telling us? I don't even know. I don't even know. What are we doing?
Starting point is 00:05:00 I don't know. The fucking AC guy said this to Suzanne, and then she gets mad at me if I ever have the AC on. and like it's not on in a different part of the whatever. All right,
Starting point is 00:05:12 let me walk you through this. Now let's say it's 47 degrees outside. If the AC is set to 65 in the house and then you're fine because it's going to be 65 anyway. It's not going to goddamn get any warmer than that in the house if you've had the air conditioning set on 65 it's 47 degrees outside.
Starting point is 00:05:37 it's not going to come on, but let's say then later on and the day it warms up and now it's 75 degrees outside and you got your air set on 65. Well, now it's going to come on. I think it was 65 degrees. They said, don't put the AC on. Because at the AC and the heater in the same unit, don't put the AC on if it's below 65, I think they said.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Well, of course, well, the fucking, it's the same thermostat, but you got your heat is your furnace and you got your air conditioner. your goddamn big old air conditioner outside thing that it's wired to there. See? It's a scintillating talk
Starting point is 00:06:18 that you're going to get. You only get here on this show. Well, of course, Jim. I'm all yours. Have I reminded you that you can go now to jail? Let's get this out of the way. You can go out of Jim Cornett.com and look at the listings of all of the various
Starting point is 00:06:34 ring-worn and ring-used items that I am selling in my online yard sale, including jackets, pants, tie, shirts, eyeglasses, shoes, fuggie rackets, and various implements. They're all there now, and you can view them and what is on sale and all the details, and all that fine stuff goes on sale on Saturday, April 4th at noon Eastern. Since it's all one of a kind, you've got to jump on it. So we wanted to let everybody see what they're interested in first.
Starting point is 00:07:10 And then you can peruse that at your leisure. Right now at Jim Cornett.com. That's right at Jimcornett. Dot com. It will take you, little Sir Echo. There's a plane going by. I don't know if you could hear this. It's going to be.
Starting point is 00:07:29 I've found a button. Stacey's going to be the only one that pops on that line. It's an old Stewie Griffin line from family guy, but it's hilarious in this, in this instance, to people who are in the know. Well, Jim, why don't we start today with some- Why don't we start? Why don't we start with some fast food news? I'm going to cut you no slack today. I'm going to, I'm going to brook none of your shenanigans, as Luthass would say.
Starting point is 00:07:58 Why don't we start with some fast food news? We have a couple of stories here. Let me get your thoughts on this. Five guys, customers, few. as chain ditches fry cups for paper bags. And then as a quote, grease soaks through. Any initial thoughts is from the New York Post
Starting point is 00:08:20 on the idea that five guys famous for having their cup of fries and then they just put a whole bunch around it in the bag if you leave with it, that it will no longer be cups, you'll get a paper bag of fries. And let me ask you this, Brian. Let's say that you
Starting point is 00:08:36 you take your dog to the vet. And the dog, because the dog is pooping. It's just pooping everywhere. And they, the vet turns around and says, well, we can't really do anything to stop him from pooping. But we will give him this and that way at least he'll poop more. So you'll get more poop. Would that be a good simile? I don't want any more of five guys fries because they can't fucking cook them to begin with.
Starting point is 00:09:08 and this is, I don't know why that more people are not up in arms about this. You've had the five guys' fries, correct? Certainly. I have, and on some occasions I really, really like them. They're not always soggy. They're not always a bag of soggy fries, that's what I'm... They are not always like trying to eat a handful of spaghetti, is what you're saying. Then maybe you might have found the one place where they cook them,
Starting point is 00:09:37 because either that or were they dealing weed out of the drive-thru window? No, it's not people now sending us articles about that since you brought that up at McDonald's. Apparently, it's a more widespread practice than we thought. But to point is, no, they have no crunch to them, except if they're the ones caught in the fucking mesh of the friar basket and they've been fried six times. And so what they do is they fill up the dagum cup and then they dump a bunch more to make it look like they're just being so generous with their goddamn, oh, we're giving you the store here.
Starting point is 00:10:11 We want to make no money on you. We're actually spending money to make you happy. Look at all these fucking potatoes. Give the burgers a little more size and flavor and cook the fries and give us less of the fries, is what I would say. Well, here's an official statement from five guys. We now serve our fries.
Starting point is 00:10:35 and paper bags. We're still using the same fresh-cut potatoes and generous portions, but this new packaging helps fries hold their texture and keeps take-out and delivery fresher, longer.
Starting point is 00:10:52 What texture? He's got the texture of fucking ramen noodles. You notice, the fresh-cut potatoes, right? He's blaming Idaho. Whatever happened. You just...
Starting point is 00:11:05 Anything happened to blame Idaho, right? No, it's not, what if you take a fresh cut potato and then pour a fucking gallon of oil all over the top of it and stomp it with your heel? That fresh cut potato really has been neutralized, hadn't it? That's the five guys' experience. I never heard of put that way before. And then he says, and we give you a lot of them.
Starting point is 00:11:32 So you're carrying home six, eight pounds. of fucking oily stomped on fucking potatoes. Joy, joy. We're also proud to share that these bags are made from biodegradable natural craft paper and are food gray, grease-resistant BPA-M-Minesis and P-F-A-S-free. Where did he go with that? Bio-degradable fucking recycled...
Starting point is 00:12:00 Biodigratable natural craft paper. Is that enough? other word for burlap? Are we getting, are they just reusing the potato sacks where they get the potatoes from Idaho? They take them out, they fucking fry them, they put them back in a fucking potato sack. I don't want any of my food in
Starting point is 00:12:18 biodegradable shit, because I'm afraid it might degrade on my food. Well, that is the news from five guys. Sounds like this whole thing has been degrading for the poor potato. Think of the potatoes in all this. My God, man, that potato has a family.
Starting point is 00:12:36 He's just a little spud. He's just a commentator, like Boyd Pierce. You see, all the fries in the photo here are the classic Five Guys fries you described, just kind of squishy and you can tell by the color. Squirly, it looks like a band of maggots feasting on a gut wagon. The one here near me, the one I get, they're kind of toasty more, I guess. They do a better job. But that's the Five Guys News, Jim, not a fan.
Starting point is 00:13:06 Jim, let's stay on the topic of fast food because this is going so well. Of course it is. I have an article here from the New York Post. New Survey reveals America's perfect fast food combo. I saw this and thought this may be something to get your take on. Uh-huh? A new survey has revealed America's ideal fast food plate. A Burger King Burger or Chick-Fillet chicken sandwich
Starting point is 00:13:35 paired with McDonald's fries and nuggets, washed down with a soda, or Dairy Queen milkshake. A poll of 2,000 U.S. adults took an a la carte look at their favorite items from fast food joints aiming to uncover their ideal spread. Results revealed that the average American poll said these items have been their solidified favorite
Starting point is 00:14:00 for 16 years now. So let me stop there. What are your thoughts on the? a combo of the Burger King Burger or Chick-fil-A sandwich with McDonald's fries and nuggets, an either soda or dairy queen milkshake. Are these people just fucking really stone? That's my question.
Starting point is 00:14:23 Or are they completely out of their minds? Have they had their taste? Did Moxley pour bleach down their throats? Well, let's see what... Let's break it down a little bit. Burger King lives up to its namesake. Ranking at the number one best... Ranking? Ranking?
Starting point is 00:14:41 Ranking as... They wrote at. Ranking as the number one best hamburger across the board with 39% with Wendy's coming in second with 32%. However, in the western region of the country, in and out, outrank both 45 to 32. Well, of course. And first of all, and by the way, the Burger King,
Starting point is 00:15:07 talked about their commercial on the Oscars, you didn't see where they fired the king and apologized to America and groveled and tumbleweeds in their parking lot. And there was another commercial. I forgot one of the other lines in the other commercial was, the Whopper is the greatest burger in America when it's made properly. Oh, I didn't hear that one. Oh, my God. Yes, yes. Stacey popped on that one and she had reminded me of it. Wow. who it's made properly. Basically, yeah, I just had a lot of people that don't know what they're doing for the last 15 years.
Starting point is 00:15:43 So again, I'm sorry, but I questioned the people that participated in the poll. What was the sample size? Where geographic location were they, were they just next door to Burger Kings? Because still over the last, now that they've started apologizing, maybe they're going to change things, but I'm not buying. Wendy's is not what it used to be.
Starting point is 00:16:09 McDonald's isn't either, and Burger King isn't either, to be quite honest with you. Remember almost 20 years ago when Burger King came out with the Big Angus Burger, right? The Big King, Angus, whatever it was. That was pretty good, too.
Starting point is 00:16:24 It wasn't bad. Hold on. That's what I'm about to hear. I mean, what I'm telling you, as Big John would say, that was when I was going to Orlando there's a Burger King right on the corner after the T&A taping I went in and I went got the big Angus burger and I reported back to Stace what I called her that they should have they put one extra letter in that Angus burger they should have left the G out oh come on it was no it depends on the location and how they're fixing it and what who's behind it and whether it's been sitting all day or whatever the fuck there's There's a lot of variables. But again, I don't, I don't see Burger King edging right now either a properly prepared
Starting point is 00:17:14 Wendy's or even a fucking quarter pounder if it, again, properly prepared. Because there's been some quarter pounders I've gotten that I could barely choke down. And others, I was like, wow, this is just swell. because it depends on they've there's one of there's a fast food location of one of these chains on every corner and the the disparity and quality from one to another is off the charts but because they're everywhere they're still the ones getting the votes but that's why you can't tell me that a chick-fil-a chicken sandwich is better than a Popeye's chicken sandwich well that was what's next here, Chick-fil-A came in with 51%
Starting point is 00:18:00 to Popeye's 27. Yeah, that's insane. And then in the Southwest region, 21% said they prefer raising canes. I've never had that. Well, they've got those here, too, and either one would be prefer, but Chick-fil-A, every once in a while,
Starting point is 00:18:17 it's kind of like White Castle. Every once a while, you know, but not on a steady basis, and also, you know, the guy that owns it is a religious lunatic and blah, blah, blah. But there's no way that there's no chicken sandwich from any of the burger chains or any of the other chicken chains
Starting point is 00:18:40 that's going to stand up to a Popeye's. So right there, the chicken nuggets at McDonald's, seriously? Those sucked 40 years ago when I first came out with them. You don't like chicken McNuggets? no they've got the bland fucking breading the mystery goddamn pressed chicken meat inside of them have they have they suddenly done it about face on their chicken nuggets in the last 40 years or are they just about what they always have been again micnuggets not nuggets uh what
Starting point is 00:19:16 come on now who you ronald's cousin that's what they're not nuggets they're mc nuggets they're different than regular nuggets. They're the mystery meat, and you don't know exactly what's in them and how much it's going to hurt your life. All right. In that case, then how about Miss Nuggets instead of McNuggets? Well, when it comes to chicken nuggets, McDonald's beat out Chick-fil-A, 45 to 37 percent. See, now that's insane. Though Chick-fil-A has the slight edge on McDonald's with baby boomers, 37 to 35. It's a tight race. I will say that Chick-fil-A nuggets are much better than the McDonald's nuggets. There's no question about that.
Starting point is 00:19:53 I mean, it's almost two different things. I almost hate to call the Chick-fil-A one's nuggets. They're little bread and pieces of chicken goodness. They're small bites of chicken. All right, French fries, Jim. McDonald's clear favorite, more than double the amount of people. 51% to 24% for Wendy's. Wendy's with 24%.
Starting point is 00:20:13 But then actually, the closely guarded secret of the whole thing is, do you know who has crinkle-cut fries that are hot and just crispy enough and not limp and salty and tasty that nobody knows about that are just like the ones that all fast food places used to have? Well, it used to be Chick-fil-A, they changed their recipe, but who are you talking about? Arbys.
Starting point is 00:20:41 Oh, crinkle-cut, not waffle, excuse me, excuse me. They have the curly fries at Arbys, which will just give me heartburn in an instant and are just disgusting, but they have the regular crinkle cut fries, just regular old-fashioned fast food fries, and they're fantastic. That is the best fast food fry on a national basis currently today. There's the regionals,
Starting point is 00:21:07 there's the checkers and rallies and things, but almost everybody's French fries sucked. Even McDonald's unless you get them right out of the gimmick. Well, it says here, one in five of those in the Midwest, which is 21% prefer Arby's for French fries. There you go. Well, this is a very interesting... But not the Curlies. You don't want the Curlies.
Starting point is 00:21:30 They look like goddamn mannequins pubic hair. You want the crinkle cut. So what would be your perfect combo if in a perfect world you could just have brought to you something from all the places you like? It has to be a main course meal like a burger or a chicken sandwich, fried. drink to wash it down with and what would you pick? I would actually probably at this stage
Starting point is 00:21:57 of the game have a triple butterburger from Culvers with the Arby's crinkle cut fries, the fish sandwich that Wendy's used to have
Starting point is 00:22:12 when they started having fish sandwiches because they haven't had a good one since then but years ago and the Dairy Queen milkshake because whoever had mentioned that
Starting point is 00:22:25 they were right about that and also the Freddy's steak burgers cheese turds is that a chain Freddy's or is at one location? Fred no Freddy's is a close I went with Culvers
Starting point is 00:22:39 because they give you a little more fucking substance but Freddy's triple bacon cheeseburger I would go with as well. They're a chain in the Midwest's expanding ever so slightly. In terms of vanilla milkshakes, what are your thoughts on the vanilla frosty? I used to like the chocolate frosty just because it was ice cream and it was in front of me,
Starting point is 00:23:05 kind of. It was in front of me, but it's kind of ice cream. But the vanilla is not, nah. I get, nah, it did a little bit. All right, this has been fast food news. News you can use. Well, Jim, continuing on here with the show, I have an interesting story that a lot of listeners have sent over. It's going around.
Starting point is 00:23:31 It's an interesting one. I cracked up reading it. The wrestler Grado talks about his time in TNA. Grado is a European wrestler. I'm not sure if he's British. Is he British? Well, no, I've met him. him. How was he was in the burger eating contest I had that my friend Kenny McIntosh set up for us over
Starting point is 00:23:52 there in Glasgow years ago. With Joe Hendry. With Joe Hendry. Yeah, Grado, he's, he's, he's from Great Britain somewhere around there. It is all part of the kingdom. You know, Andrew Mount Batten, Windsor, and the whole gang, they, they have the whole big kingdom over there. He's from somewhere there. Well, here's a quote from Grado. Well, I believe it was like a comedy wrestling, I was about to say performer, a comedy wrestler. This was from the Mr. Anderson show.
Starting point is 00:24:29 Here's his quote, I get paid. And when you go to the bank of Scotland, getting an American check, you need to go to the bank of Scotland. I guess he is Scottish. Getting an American. Why did you lead me down the path to show my ignorance about where he's from when he's about to blurt out and admit where he's from. Getting an American check, you need to go to the Bank of Scotland. You need to fill out this big
Starting point is 00:24:54 forum. It was always the same lady at the Bank of Scotland. She'd see me coming and go, fuck, I need to do one of those American checks that takes about 45 minutes to get into the system. So she'd see me coming every time and be like, can they not just put it into your bank? And I'm like, this is what they do. in America, they use checks. But there was one time... Well, no, hold on here a second. You mean that we're the only people in the world
Starting point is 00:25:24 to actually give people? I can understand trying to send it across the world and this was before PayPal or whatever, but you could still do wire transfers. Although, in their defense, what was this? Is this 10 or more years ago? There used to be a fee on wire transfers. They probably wanted to save fucking money.
Starting point is 00:25:44 But he's acting like, they don't give people checks in Scotland? Is this something that's frowned upon in that environment? Well, we continue on here. But there was one time they really were taking ages to pay me. Same about two years in by this point. And I'm like, and I'm like, I've not been paid. For two years?
Starting point is 00:26:07 Well, I think he's saying he's been working with them for two years, not that he hasn't been paid in two years. Okay, well, I just wanted to clarify this. At least that's the way I'm reading it. it. If I had been paid for two years, I'd have found a way to fucking track them down. Go ahead. And I'm like, I've not been paid. They went, it's fine, it's been FedExed, you're going to receive it in the next couple of days. There was no word of a lie. I opened up the FedEx and I take out this bit of paper and it was a drawing of a check. if you can imagine a bit of paper with all the numbers
Starting point is 00:26:43 up the top on the side in pen $4,600 they sent that to my house I was thinking again
Starting point is 00:26:54 this must be an American thing so I went to the Bank of Scotland and handed it over and they went what the fuck do you want me
Starting point is 00:27:03 to do with that? Are you at it? I No, seriously, that's what my employers in America have sent me. They sent me a drawing of a check. They were like, there was nothing we could do with that. I was mortified. So let me ask you, Jim, I've never heard of anything like this.
Starting point is 00:27:28 T and A or anyone else, have you ever heard of anyone being paid with a drawing of a check? No, I've heard of being paid with a check drawn on a certain bank, but this gives the drawing of a check a whole new meaning. Were the numbers correspond to anything? Well, again, they said it to him,
Starting point is 00:27:55 and he takes it to the bank. Can you imagine handing that to someone at the bank? That's the thing I can. It's a president. You call the police. This is some kind of fucking ransom note or robbery note. I like this guy.
Starting point is 00:28:07 He gave us this. It was signed by Santa Claus. You know, I always knew TNA had problems. I didn't know it came to this. They didn't have a checkbook. They had the draw checks. Quick, someone draw a check. Not draw up a check.
Starting point is 00:28:19 Someone draw a check up for Grado. Do you there, was it one of those goofy young interns that Dixie hired out of high school or whatever that thought that's how you drew up a check, I wonder? I don't know. This is our new, this is our new controller, Harvey Kurtzman. We've hired out-of-work Disney artists as our new accounting team. It's normal for there to be a picture of a black and white spy on the letterhead.
Starting point is 00:28:56 No, what, who would have been the head of talent relations? I'm trying to think if somebody was playing a rib on him or, or, or, or, or, in somebody's defense, if somebody was trying to fuck with him and he literally thought that that was what they were, but did they, did he follow up this story with when he called them to say,
Starting point is 00:29:24 hey, mate, what the fuck is this? On behalf of myself in the group. This is the only part of the story that is making the round. Oh, I need to know more. Somebody get a hold of Grado. And when he called him, Was it Terry Taylor?
Starting point is 00:29:41 My old friend Terry Taylor was the head of talent relations. When he called and said, I've just been to the bank with a drawing of a fucking check. Man, I've known some scummy people in wrestling. No one's tried that. I've never heard of anyone trying to pay someone like that. Remember, I mean, I thought when you said to FedEx it, I thought you were going to, like,
Starting point is 00:30:08 Wasn't it Bubba Ray's story about Hayman or whatever? Hey, where's my check? It's been FedExed. What's the tracking number? Like a 742, 5, 6, 4, 574. Well, that's too many numbers.
Starting point is 00:30:20 We'll just take off the last two. I thought, but this is even worse than that. It's not even an eye. Did it say I owe you on the top of it? No, they drew. They actually, I guess, made a rectangle. That's the craziest.
Starting point is 00:30:38 thing the idea that someone did this and then sent it like that. And very T&A story. You know what? Here's the thing now. Again, maybe in their defense, could this have been an elderly person, like I say, 90 or 100 years old? Because in the old days, that technically from a, from an individual, not a company probably, but from an individual, you could do shit like that. I paid to the order you've seen it in Daniel Boone, right? They write it out, turn it into my bank. So maybe if this person was 147 years old,
Starting point is 00:31:20 they just thought that was the way you do business. Again, this is a rather unique story. I've never heard of anything like this. Even in rock and roll, you know, where people fight for their pay and demand cash before they go on stage. I've never heard of anyone drawing a check. Can't we get over that.
Starting point is 00:31:39 just the idea like the concept behind it too we have to send them a check i don't have a check was he the only one paid via this method that's the other question was anyone else sent a drawn check i've never heard of such a thing from the state side t and a contingent at least during my time there from anybody that i knew there but i've heard of him being late or delayed or things like that. I've never heard of actually sketching out a check. And again, I got to wonder was somebody trying to just fuck with him because Grado, and we don't want to dismiss him,
Starting point is 00:32:25 he was fucking over there, and we won't come back till it's over over there. He was over over there at one point, probably with about this time, where he was on mainstream television. shows and he had this big elaborate entrance and it wasn't exactly funk and brisco but he was a personality and more so than the fucking supposed celebrities that t and a i had used down through its existence and they're fucking him around i mean yeah for a while that was the only market tn a had actually was over there they were doing more business over there than they ever did over here Remember what I told Jackie Moore?
Starting point is 00:33:12 And when they were said, oh, this European tour, these dates are going to be the biggest crowds we've ever drawn. It's going to be great. And I said, Jackie, did you ever think you'd live to see the day that they'd fuck the wrestling business up over here so bad you had to go over to England to draw a house? And she said, no, no, I didn't. I said, I've got faith. And she said, oh, you think we'll bring it back? I said, no, I think we'll kill it over there too. And then she went over there and got paid with a check drawn by Terry Taylor.
Starting point is 00:33:43 The bank of Terry Taylor. No, I'll tell you what, every single one of them knew not to fucking give Miss Texas a fucking stiff check. She'd give them a fucking stiff right. She'd kick this shit out of them. Well, we will stay on top of this story and see what else we could find out about what's happening here, Jim. But, you know, perhaps. Perhaps. Perhaps after an incident like this, perhaps you say to yourself, I'm in the wrong business.
Starting point is 00:34:15 You say, I'm in the wrong business. I need to do something else with my life. I'm being paid with made-up check. I'm being paid with checks that have been drawn by roosters. I need to do something more with my life. Jim, we know someone who can help the listeners and help their business. Well, if you even don't have a business. They can help you have a business.
Starting point is 00:34:40 You can be had, ladies and gentlemen, and I'll tell you, who's going to have you, Shopify? Because they are our friends that can have anybody set up to live their life of flatulence through silk, of whining and dining with the kings and the queens, you will skip sleeping in the alley and eating the cold pork and beans because Shopify can make you money,
Starting point is 00:35:06 whether you've already got an existing business that's let's face it, possibly is moribund or festering or slovenly covered in debt, and you want to try to improve it, or you've just got a dream, a dream of vision that you lay awake at night and see of a business that would have you slovenly rolling over in debt,
Starting point is 00:35:30 and then Shopify could help you, whichever one it is, there's that kid, he runs by here every day this time. Shopify is the commerce platform behind millions of businesses around the world and 10% of all the e-commerce in the United States. They got that purple shop pay button that we've already established, Brian. That's because when you mix black and blue, you get purple.
Starting point is 00:35:52 And that thing's black and blue from people punching it all day long around the world. If you'd like your thing to be black and blue from people punching it all day long around the world, you've got to have somebody like Shopify on your side, a marketing team, a commerce expert, helping run email and social media campaigns, creating websites, uploading products, staying ahead of the law with potential bribes to local officials and businessmen.
Starting point is 00:36:21 And if you get stuck, Shopify is always around. Don't do that. No, no bribes to local businessmen or anyone else. We're talking about legitimate business, legitimate business people and legitimate commerce. You need a legitimate partner like Shopify. They are there for you.
Starting point is 00:36:38 Yes. They will support you like they support us. They are there for you. They will support you like a supporter. But, you know, they also, they know who needs to have their palm greased from time to time. And also they know, you know, whose territory it is. Things, you pay a little tribute, but they all fix you up. And they have award-winning 24-7 bodyguards with slapjacks.
Starting point is 00:37:01 called customer support. That's what they call them. So you can just call them up at any time and say, hey, I got a problem. And they'll help you out. Tackle all the important tasks in one place, inventory to payments, to analytics, and so much more,
Starting point is 00:37:21 everything making your life easier and your business operations smoother. And again, nobody will ever know what they don't need to know because they'll have no recollection of those incidents on your way to success. And you can right now start your business today or save your business today. Think of them as like a John Taffer of an internet industry.
Starting point is 00:37:47 They're going to come in, they're going to run off a little bit of the dead weight, possibly your cousin or your brother-in-law, whoever's fucking his thing up. They're going to slap you around. They're going to get you started and then you're going to be making nothing but money. and it's only going to cost you a $1 a month trial period to show what Shopify can do for you if you go to Shopify.com right now and slash JCE. Wait if I said that wrong, Shopify.com slash JCE.
Starting point is 00:38:18 That's how you get the $1 a month trial period where you're going to basically find out all the things that they can do for you, all the ways that they can help you, all the ways that they can propel you to the promised land and all the ways that they can keep people who are you encroaching on the territory from getting a little piece of the action the hard way,
Starting point is 00:38:40 so to speak. Shopify.com slash JCE. All right, Jim, let's move on from our friends in e-commerce and why don't we get the people who care about nothing but commerce? WWE had another Monday Night Raw as they have for quite a while now
Starting point is 00:39:02 and last night was a big one we're on the road to WrestleMania We're having to go there now huh? Okay. All right. I see you want to end the fun train It was nice while it lasted. March 23rd was the infamous day that they were in Boston
Starting point is 00:39:23 at the TD Garden. Who the fuck is TD Garden. What did he ever do in Boston? T.D. Bank. Why wouldn't they? Huh? T.D. Bank. They bought Boston Garden, T.D. Bank. They have the naming rights. I just thought it was T.D. Garden. I thought it was some guy that encroached on their territory.
Starting point is 00:39:46 What's the T.D. Bank? The Texas Death Bank? You don't know T.D. Bank? I didn't know T.D. Bank. They had a lot of commercials. Should I know T.D. Bank. I don't know how far in T. T.D. Bank. Not Tid Bank. TV bank. I don't know how far they go into the Midwest. I'm not sure. Well, I'm not in the Midwest.
Starting point is 00:40:06 Do you like T-Ds in the Midwest? I'm in the southeast of Upper Midwest. What now? Back to Raws. Back to R. Yes. Well, speaking of two T-Ds was coming to the ring, Brock Lester and Paul Heyman.
Starting point is 00:40:24 And did you notice, by the way, that Paul has no Remember last week Was it last week when he came out and look at all disheveled and the red eye and the cut on the bridge of his nose and he hadn't shaved? Was that just last week?
Starting point is 00:40:42 That was a week ago, yeah. He's got no scar on the bridge of his nose. I told you he didn't get potatoed. I thought he bladed the bridge of his nose, but he goddamn, he had a gimmick scar on his nose. but now it's completely gone. There would there would there would be still be a mark after only 14 days. He's fooling us all.
Starting point is 00:41:09 We don't know what to think. He should have gigged the bridge of his nose. Think about that. You're not giving up on this. Are you? No, if he was really serious about his profession, he would, hey, I cut myself three times two inches long for him. He could have gigged the bridge of his nose for fucking.
Starting point is 00:41:29 the modern day millions that he's making now, huh? Anyhow, Paul put Brock over Strong and he cuts the promo for him. Brock just has to stand there and look like a caveman ready to devour somebody. But I guess this show and what they're doing over Cross Street on Raw with Cody and Orton shows more than ever, and will or over it was smackdown rather with cody and orton more than ever now they don't give a fuck who the heel and a baby face is they just want to sing chant to catch phrases and watch the crazy shit happen and if it means you know kicking babies and shooting bambi's mother if they're
Starting point is 00:42:29 the right person does it, they'll cheer for it. Because they definitely want Obafemi to kick that shit out of Brock Lester, but not because they're mad at Brock, because they want to see that happen. Because when Paul talks about him, I realized I made a mistake in my career. I never had a standard line done a standard way where they could repeat it with me. When Paul says what his name is, they say it with him.
Starting point is 00:43:03 When he says Brock's name, they say it with him. And Paul does a great heel promo and he tells the heel story from his viewpoint where Brock was distracted by Seth and then an overhyped wannabe ruler got the advantage. That's heel stuff, but they love hearing it because these are all the stars. Does that make sense? It makes sense. It's an audience that likes to pop. They like to react to music and sing them with the music and pop.
Starting point is 00:43:37 I will just say, I thought this was a fucking amazing promo from Paul Heaman here. Oh, I mean, it's perfect because he builds Brock back up in that this is the guy you think that Brock is just going to take this and, you know, lying down. Undertaker didn't get even. Goldberg didn't get his Brownstrom, Dean Ambrose
Starting point is 00:44:04 threw that in there. Bobby Lashley, John Cena, nobody survived and got even, got over on the fucking beast. And again, in another generation, he'd had people
Starting point is 00:44:19 climbing the ring trying to get a hold of him. And then the music plays, and it's Oba. And he, Oba, struts in, and Brock's smiling and they're good, Paul evaporates, and they have the face off and the people are chanting, oba, oba. And remember I said if they did anything else physical,
Starting point is 00:44:45 they would probably keep it brief and to the point. Brock goes for the F5 overslips behind him, overslips over him, clothesline over the top, Brock took a beautiful fucking bump. He has the shocked face that you don't see very often. And the people are chan, oba, oba. And Brock wants to go back in, but Paul is holding him back.
Starting point is 00:45:16 It's perfect. And there are the people in Boston have seen Brock Lesnar. And you've got Madison Square Garden come up next week or whatever. Same thing. They can advertise him. he can come out, stand there, hop around, take a bump and make a couple hundred thousand dollars, or whatever the fuck it is. But this is, they're doing this perfectly because you can't, you can't show people too much
Starting point is 00:45:45 Brock and Oba. I'm not saying it's going to be the, it could be the shits, but it's probably not going to be. But I'm not saying you can't show them too much because it's going to be the shits. You can't show them too much because it ain't going to be as good as what it is in their imagination already. They want to see it. So don't let them see it. Just keep teasing. Keep tickling their taint.
Starting point is 00:46:17 And it's working. This was a tremendous segment. Heyman's promo was incredible. Even by his standards, he got so fired up. There's nothing like a Hayman promo than when Brock is right behind him bouncing around. Yeah. There's something really special about it.
Starting point is 00:46:38 It's a different dynamic than Hayman with Roman or anyone else. This is one they've returned to on a number of occasions because it works. Heyman cuts this amazing promo and they explode for Obafemi. and they made a big deal of the fact that unlike last week there's nothing Brock can complain about here he was face to face with him he took the first shot oba got the best of him that bump over the top rope Brock Lesder not caring whether or not he breaks his neck is one of the most amazing things he at one point it looked like he was head and shoulder first and his hands were nowhere near and then he just tumbled over and then the cell you think like oh he must be hurt he wasn't because he went
Starting point is 00:47:20 right to the cell and his facial expressions were huge and then the anger as he's leaving that this happened to him. This has been the best build of anything to WrestleMania this year. And by the way, believe me, he cares whether he breaks his neck or not, but
Starting point is 00:47:37 it, as hard as it may be for some people to believe, he did it perfectly for Brock Lesnar. That's the way Brock Lester. He did it very safely, but nobody that's not Brock Lester, or maybe you, Bronbreaker, because it's kind of Steiner-esque. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:53 It's like early Rick Steiner or Kurt Hennig. Yeah. Nobody else needs to take that that way, but they know what they're doing, that it was not out of control for him. So kudos to, again, Brock, that's the thing. One meaningful bump that he called, I'm sure, is all that was needed to get this fucking thing over. If they'd have put each other through tables,
Starting point is 00:48:21 there comes to a point where you go past teas and into, well, we've ruined their appetite because we gave them just enough that they're not really hungry, but at the same point, they would have eaten more later. You said, that's what I'm saying. So they are teasing and it works. Do you think Brock has to get his hands on Oba before WrestleMania? It's 50-50 now with me because the last week I was like, like, I don't know whether they need to do anything else physical.
Starting point is 00:48:54 It may just be made. But since they've done this now, Brock may need to, there may need to be some underhanded thing that ends up not with Obafemi laying helpless and being stood over, but some way where he can dump him on his ass, but not, more of an embarrassment or a fucking thing that pisses you off
Starting point is 00:49:20 and something that fucking lays you out just to get a little goddamn steam. But it again might not even be necessary. And what do you think of the build of Obafemi? You know, time will tell from what you get to see of what you think of him in the ring working a long match or something. But in terms of the way people have reacted to him,
Starting point is 00:49:42 let's just go back to the Royal Rumble because that's right kind of after he came up to the main roster. The reaction he's getting from fans the way he's performing in these angles? What are your thoughts on Obafemi and the confidence they seem, including Barack Lesnar, that they seem to have in him? Well, and that's the thing. When you said working longer matches,
Starting point is 00:50:06 he and Brock isn't going to be long. Nor should it be. Nor should it be. It's going to be impactful and fucking smash-mouth offense, as J.R. would say and exciting throughout but brief. And I don't know that he needs to go 20 minutes with anybody. Let some son of a bitch on the roster be different. If they've got a lot of confidence in him and they apparently do
Starting point is 00:50:36 and everybody's working on this pulling the same rope, then they will also know whether he needs to be going. It's a fallacy that you have to. to have a 20 minute long match to be competitive. If he's going to be working with other top guys, he can still, as they used to say,
Starting point is 00:50:59 Bill Watts had Jim Ross say about junkyard dog, they don't pay him by the hour. And the reason for it, boom, but it can be impactful and fucking exciting. But I don't think that the guy for the gimmick, the way they're presenting him, even if he can do it,
Starting point is 00:51:18 I don't think there would be a lot of fucking arm drags and hip tosses and chin locks in his matches. So, you know, I think the thing is they've got a, even though he's still green and an experience, they've got a deep talent roster with guys that know either how to get him over like a dominant Superman in three minutes or how to have a main event competitive kind of match in 11 or 12 minutes or whatever without overstay and his welcome until he really is established and gets more experience on the main roster.
Starting point is 00:51:59 Well, that was a hell of an opening to Rock. Great opening to the show this week. I agree. Oh, I'm conducting this now, aren't I? I'm turning my page on the notepad here. I'm assuming you didn't watch the Lyra Valkyria tag team match, Jim. were they the next was the the Uso's and theory and Paul
Starting point is 00:52:20 was what came next that's right instead of Lyric and her friends they were they were later on when I didn't watch did you watch Logan Paul and Liberty Bibbriety's tag team match well I don't
Starting point is 00:52:34 you know now people are going to start bringing signs and just tormenting him with that it's just me but I think Biberty has a lot of potential I watched the end of the match because I wanted to see what they were going to do, but the Usoes are hard to work with for anybody, it seems like they got to be. The timing and the things,
Starting point is 00:52:55 it's just, it's very unorthodox. But basically, finally they gave Jay a hot tag that was cold, and Jay made a bleh comeback because it's just, it's hard to keep up the excitement of a fast bumping, back when he's weebling and wobbling and bibbidian and and spitting on his hands. You can't keep it.
Starting point is 00:53:23 There needs to be more God in a tag team match when you got two guys can fucking bump. Get to the point. Anyway, Jay rolled theory up into the corner, but when he pulled him out, theory pulled the turnbuckle pad off and ended up with it. So he threw it at Jay to distract him and then nailed him. and then hit a move that was supposed to be that leaping over the top blockbuster thing. That's what they call it, right?
Starting point is 00:53:54 When you flip and grab the guy's head and take the flip over him. Or did Buff Bagwell used to do something like that? Oh, maybe. Who did that? Yeah, I think so, yeah. Well, whatever the fuck did you see when, when fucking The theory jumped up and grabbed Jay's head. the way Jay took it, he grabbed him and he held him for a second. It looked like that he grabbed him and insuplexed him.
Starting point is 00:54:21 Instead he gave the move, even the commentators, thought that he had given the move instead of taking it. It didn't fucking theory covered him, and they were all flummoxed. And then Jay speared theory and went to the top, and Logan Paul crouched him and posted Jimmy and got the brass knucks. but L.A. Knight's music played. And L.A. Knight posted Logan Paul and gave the brass knucks to Jay and distracted theory.
Starting point is 00:54:53 And the referee saw Jay with the knucks and he fucking knocked theory out because he was, he's a hot head, you know, Brian. He's the one that loses his temper. And he got him disqualify. And so they were, oh, what the fuck? And then Jay goes back. and knocks Logan Paul out too while he's at it.
Starting point is 00:55:16 But the Uso's lost the match and it's because Jay just can't contain his emotions and also L.A. Knights stirring this shit up. So we got that going for us. Yes, we do. Do you have any comment on...
Starting point is 00:55:36 No, I executed the Uso rule. This turn of events. I executed the Uso rule where I don't watch their matches. I only watch their angles and promo. with other stars. So I did not see much. I wanted to make sure I kept you up to date
Starting point is 00:55:49 on what was going on with them then. Becky and AJ did a promo and I exercised my right to not listen. And Javon and Grayson Waller the Waller rule for me. Oh, this was great.
Starting point is 00:56:06 You know what? It's not even about Waller. Well, I love Javan. Anything he did. You know what? It's still everything he does is fresh and it feels new. and the crowd pops for him moving around.
Starting point is 00:56:17 He has the best dropkick in the business right now. He's one of these guys. I'm enjoying watching him just have matches. It's almost like him having old squash matches, except they're not like three minutes. But I enjoy the hell out of watching him. He's great. Well, I did see the finish,
Starting point is 00:56:36 which not only was the, Jesus Christ, the highest OG cutter or whatever the fuck, but what was the thing he did, the standing Hurricane Ronald Waller, bless him, you know, was, he was standing up there probably scared shitless, but that's a long way up. Again, there's a lot of cooperation involved to me
Starting point is 00:57:01 that's visible no matter who's doing it. And I'd prefer that young Javan not ever land on his head from up theirs. I wish they'd take the backwards off the top rope while standing all on the top rope off the menu, but he's incredible. And that's why I say, again, they obviously see a lot of potential in him
Starting point is 00:57:25 and they're pushed him and he's so young and he's so coachable, but he's got a lot of the psychology and the basic things about wrestling that a lot of people don't grasp anymore mentally, so I just want him to be careful and make the shit that he's doing count. Good match. But then we got another segment of the Paul E. Show. Boy, with all the injuries and et cetera,
Starting point is 00:58:01 they're just, they're having to rely on the walrus more than ever. And he's coming through like a champ. He took another, is this the record for bumps by Paul in a month ever? since I've worked with it. Since 89, yeah, definitely. But anyway, he's back in the ring when they come back up and he said, I'm having a bad night. Bronbreaker and Bronson Reed are not coming back anytime soon.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Brock Samad, he's left the arena. Logan Paul in theory are half conscious. So it's just me and my stalker, Seth Rylins. And despite the character I play on TV, I'm a man. I've been pushed too far, and the WW is not big enough for the both of us.
Starting point is 00:58:51 So what choice am I left with? Maybe it's time that Seth Rollins just comes out here and puts me out of my misery right here and right now. And then the masked man comes to ringside, but he's behind Paul. Paul's looking down the entryway.
Starting point is 00:59:10 And Paul does see the guy, he gets on the announced desk, but Paul's like, sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do. Come on, Seth. And then Seth takes the mask off and the people pop. And Paul turns around and sees him and shits all over himself. And then here come actual.
Starting point is 00:59:32 They may not have been real, but I don't think that you can carry a gun unless you are real. perhaps that Paul insisted they all have real police uniforms and fake guns but they looked at least more like grown-up police and they did have guns and badges etc they went to Seth and started arresting before we go any further
Starting point is 01:00:01 what is your opinion on the veracity of the police Brian I don't know I didn't notice the gun to be but I thought they looked young. I thought it was a good move, if it's wrestling school trainees or indie workers, having them dressed like that than just in a black shirt that says security
Starting point is 01:00:22 or whatever it is, and then they do the same thing, they hold their hands out, no, no, please, no, come here, no, they don't really say or do anything. But I thought this was well, and I guess for this to work, they had to be police. Well, yes, and that's the thing is, again, whether they are or not, they looked more like police.
Starting point is 01:00:45 And maybe it said they're in Boston. Maybe Sina's dad has a friend on the force. Who the fuck knows? If we could have gone to Pittsburgh at a certain point in time and needed cops, Brian Hilderbrand's father could have had us some fucking cops. Sometimes you will get real police that you have a connection to do something
Starting point is 01:01:06 because they didn't, you know, they didn't have to take any fucking bumps. Nobody was put through a table. But at least they can fucking look like it, right? And no, there was no old gray-haired guy that's been on the force for 35 years or whatever. But they were more sizable and they had legitimate uniforms and what at least appeared to be sidearms and handcuffs and all the good bullshit, right? so if you're going to do it that's what i'm saying let's not have cops real or working on television every week
Starting point is 01:01:43 because then that loses the epit but if you're going to have something like this you can't have just fucking goofballs with t-shirts doing the statue pose with their hands in the air and so as they're taking seth out that's when paul says that's right sometimes a man has to do what a man has to do well men in my family are snitches
Starting point is 01:02:11 we get restraining orders and file lawsuits what a line help me fill in well haman indeed said that and this was really where the segment got I guess turned up as Rollins is handcuffed to being let away
Starting point is 01:02:31 Hamid is just cutting him down on the microphone and that was a great line but it got better from there. Oh, God, you're going to prison. It's illegal. It's a felony to come in 50 feet of me. You're going to prison. Your wife will divorce you and marry half the locker room. And then I'll adopt your daughter. And then they're leading Seth down like the aisle. I'll wait. of the arena for the fans, but he breaks loose and runs around the fucking end of ring side and down the entrance way.
Starting point is 01:03:19 He's diving in the ring before the cops can catch him. And Paul Staddened, and Paul, he does like, when they've emptied the revolver into the goddamn robot killer in the movies, and then they throw the fucking gun at him, he throws the microphone. and Seth blisters him with one shot and Paul crumbles and fucking again just thankfully he's been on a diet he could the way he came down with that force he could
Starting point is 01:03:51 have tipped the ring sideways and Bob man down goes Paul down goes Paul and then the cops get him and they trap him in the ring and they again put the cuffs on him and now, of course, they cuffed him in front, which never happens. It never happened, but think about this. To be honest, now, I bet you that one of them raised that, but the guy, didn't he just have a shoulder issue? One of his issues was his shoulder, yes. Well, that's what he's been most recently out for that he's coming back from.
Starting point is 01:04:28 So somebody in management may very well have said, we'll do this entire angle, but you ain't handcuffing his arms behind his back. Because that's just playing with fire as far as a shoulder injury, just for him even getting out of the ring on his own. So they handcuffed him in front and took him off. But you saw Paul laying there after the one punch laughing. Like, ah, now we have him where we want him. Which is not the only time that would happen on this show.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Yeah, a lot of people are getting put where a lot of people want them to be. Did you expect anything else to happen? I mean, this played out well. But for a moment there, I was thinking he's trying to get Rollins to come out there. He must be trying to trap him. If he's saying Brock isn't there and we just saw his other two guys get their ass kicked, there must be someone else about to come out to surprise Rollins and it never happened. Well, but I think that's the idea the cops were the trap.
Starting point is 01:05:28 Because when Paul said the restraining order, it's a felony to kind of, he's filed a restraining order and that's why he got Rollins to come out there and get within the space of him so that he could have these cops coming. So that was, and also because they need to fill up more time because all our top guys are
Starting point is 01:05:47 hurt and Paul's a genius. So what do you think of the idea of a restraining order between now and WrestleMania? Well, Russo's still alive, so they must work. That should be Rollins' gimmick. He starts signing them and selling them. with money going to the crusade for children.
Starting point is 01:06:07 I was about to say only of the money goes the crusade for children. But no, this again, this is something of Paul, or not Paul, but Seth and his masked men and distractions can be, are they going to try to get around the restraining order against him, you know, put on by Heyman so that they can do the whatever at WrestleMania. That's, this is part of the, yes, It's part of the build, so we still, we believe that Seth is going to be there, but we still, there's questions about how quick breaker is going to be back,
Starting point is 01:06:45 how Seth is doing, what fuck. So this is something to make it interesting. At least they, unless Paul takes another violent bump like that, he should be injury-free going into the pay-per-view. And it can't just be Heyman ordering cops around to arrest random mass people. as they show up and yelling that's Seth Rorland's, there he is. No, there he is. Yeah, no, that was one of the best episodes of Alfred Hitchcock Presents when the woman was
Starting point is 01:07:14 that saw the guy that raped her and told her husband, and her husband went and killed a guy. And then they're driving down the road the next day and his wife goes, oh, my God, there he is. That's the man who raped me. And then he realizes, oh, shit, she's going to see him everywhere. here. See, I thought the best episode, the one I like the best is the one where the nun gets the statue
Starting point is 01:07:39 and then she loses the statue to the other gangsters and then the heavy gangster comes and gets the statue back because he wants to give it to the orphanage that raised him. I like that one. Lamb to the slaughter. That episode.
Starting point is 01:07:56 Is that your episode or my episode? I don't know which episode. No, that's the best episode. It's not up for debate. That's the best episode. lamb to the slaughter. You are familiar with the plot starring Barbara Belgettys. I'm not sure. Later, the matronly figure
Starting point is 01:08:13 on Dallas. That's right. She is the loving and caring and sweet and beautiful, you know, wife of this just horrible fucking asshole that fucking just tells her
Starting point is 01:08:29 off and talks to her like shit and treats her like dirt. and one day he comes home and announces to her he's found somebody else and he's fucking leaving and fuck her and she's going to have to offend for herself and okay we work this out she's still trying he's like and i forget what exactly the trigger was i think that's what he said what's for dinner and she had the goddamn frozen leg of lamb and she hit him over the head and killed him killed him as ain't lola would say he was say,
Starting point is 01:09:03 Kilt him date with the frozen leg of lamb. And then when the police came to investigate to who the intruder was that had come in and, you know, invaded their home and killed her husband, she was kind enough to serve the policeman. The dinner. A beautiful roast leg of lamb.
Starting point is 01:09:29 And they were just saying, if we could only figure out what the murder weapon was. Say, what, I especially love the gravy and the crusty bits on the end there. All right, well, whether Barbara Belgettys or Paul Heyman, everyone has to water their lawn, Jim. Well, I should, you know, that's a thing that, or where, you need the water your lawn. It should have, see, Barbara Belgettys, if she had watered the lawn better,
Starting point is 01:10:02 her husband would have loved her more. So it was that no good bitch's fault all along. Well, now I feel even worse. But I'll tell you what, maybe you got to water your lawn, Brian, maybe you got to water the trees. Maybe you got to water the flowers. Because the flowers and the trees is what feeds the birds and the bees.
Starting point is 01:10:22 That's what makes the world go around. But have you ever tried to water anything around your house, ladies gentlemen, boys and girls and children of all ages, and you get a hernia, or you pull your rotator cuff or you just generally miserable and downtrodden trying to drag these heavy, cakey, not ridden hoses all around a yard with the weight of them and the state of them and they get all the dirty and they've got the mud on them and then you're in the muck and the mire and you try to wipe the sweat off your face.
Starting point is 01:10:55 Now you got mud on your fucking face and then you try to lick your fingers to wipe the mud off your face, but you've got mud on your fingers. And well, then now you've just started eating mud. So do you want to eat mud, ladies and gentlemen? I think not. I don't think so. No. It's not a thing you want to do.
Starting point is 01:11:15 What you want to do is get the pocket hose and the pocket hose copperhead pocket pivot. And then you don't have to worry about all this shit because the hose, for example, is one of those things. I say, it's, it weighs me inch, mere ounces. It's like it's almost
Starting point is 01:11:34 indiscernible that you're picking this thing up, but yet when it becomes engorged with water, it expands to multiple times its size and length. It's an amazing thing. Never before seen anything like it in science or
Starting point is 01:11:50 biology. And you, so you can carry it around at ease and stick it in your pocket if you want to, although people might think you have some type of growth or potentially some type of goiter in your groin if you have it in your pants
Starting point is 01:12:06 pocket. But they call it the pocket hose and a pocket pivot. But you know, you really shouldn't probably stuff it down in your pockets because then you're going to look deformed. Once again, why don't we talk about what we do with our agriculture? Of course, the lawn. Well, I'm just talking about storage
Starting point is 01:12:24 right now. But when you stick it on and it, oh, it's got the beautiful copperhead that screws right onto your spigot outside. You know about the spigot, Brian, outside. We've spoken about the spigot. You screw the copperhead, nice, clean, bright on that. And when you turn the water on, this hose just, well, it just expands exponentially. And when it's filled up and engorged with the water, then you put that copperhead fucking spigot, what do they call it? The thing on it, the tin pattern sprayer and it sprays in, believe it or not, 10 patterns.
Starting point is 01:13:05 You can get the, or you can get the, or you can get the, just a little mist, and everything in between, it can pulsate, it can go up and down. It sounds like the Dillator Mach 3, but it's the pocket hose and the 10 pattern sprayer and the pocket pivot that turns 360 degrees so that you, you can go around without the hose being all kinked up in a million knots. And then when you turn the water off, things like a dehydrated BB. It just sucks right up upon itself. It coils up like a snake.
Starting point is 01:13:46 Matter of fact, the first one I got I had to have replaced because I thought it was a snake. It was moving on its own and I hit it with a shovel. All right. Listen, let's get back. Let's get back to what we're supposed to be talking about here. Everyone, you may be tired of the kinky hose. Well, your wife may be, but we are talking about something here. No worries, no kinks, the terrific pocket hose, the copperhead.
Starting point is 01:14:12 And Jim, we have a great deal for the listeners. That's what we do have. You know, I never thought that I would live old to be old enough to say I was tired of kinky hose. But nevertheless, you get tired of kinky hoses as you get older, folks, because you're going to strain your milk as my mom. a Cornett would say. But right now, you can get a free pocket pivot and the 10 pattern sprayer
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Starting point is 01:15:12 individually by those things these days anymore i don't know we can't say see see terms for details so right there just go as terms where the fuck is he well when he comes back ask him about the detail But yeah, you can text JC to 64,000 and get the two free gifts of the pivot and the sprayer with the hose. So, folks, no matter what you're going to do, you're going to do stuff around the yard, whether it's watering the grass or the trees or the flowers or the weeds or whatever. It's going to be quicker than it used to be because this is going to be so easy with this great equipment. Then you can go out and spend your free time.
Starting point is 01:15:54 You go bungee jumping or something with your free time. Brian? You can do lots of things with your free time, but of course it's that time of year to worry about your property and you're going to need the right hose, the pocket hose. I don't know what Jim's problem is. It's that time of year to worry about your property. The purge is coming. Well, the grass is growing. Somebody's going to come over to tap me again.
Starting point is 01:16:20 Once again, text JCE to 604. You don't have to worry with the pocket hose. You can just water. you can be, unless there's a drought. If there's a drought, you're going to have a goddamn problem. You can text JCE to 64,000, 6400,000 to get a free pocket pivot and their 10 pattern sprayer. Once again, 64,000 JCE. Get them quick before there's a fucking drought, because then they'll be out of business.
Starting point is 01:16:53 Pocket hose! Well, Brian, there was a. few other pieces of tom foolery but i wanted to get to the main event here because again this is we complain about when the top guys just come out and talk to each other for 20 minutes but if these top guys will come out and talk to each other for 20 minutes i'll go for it again the thing with punk and roman and they've got the usos involved that you know punk is is being able to to call them the stooges of Roman reigns because they're kind of put in that position
Starting point is 01:17:31 but they don't want to be and blah, blah, blah. But before Punk even makes his entrance, Jimmy's in the back and says, hey, be careful what you say out there because my brother's on the war path. And he said, oh, be careful what I say. Oh, I'll make sure to do that type of thing. And then like a Mussolini, I can't do it today.
Starting point is 01:17:54 I'm froggy. and punk is headed out to the ring and they go to the break they go to a two and a half minute break they come back and they plug a fucking video game they billboard the WrestleMania main event and then we see he's still in the ring and they're still playing the music if I was the talent and the live audience I would be out of my mind but nevertheless and they're chanting for him the big CM Punk chant and, you know, he says, hey, Jimmy told me to be careful what I say because, you know, Jay's on the war path.
Starting point is 01:18:33 Do you want me to be careful? No. And his promo is Roman Reigns can't do anything without his cousins. And his cousins can't do anything without Roman. Nobody in the family can do anything on their own. And Roman was saying all the Samoans were going to come after me. Well, here I am. hey this is a shit-talking business but it's words to hype a fight and i understand that but
Starting point is 01:19:03 roman rain said one thing that pissed me off and he called me old and remember with brian you and i had the disagreement you're oh i should have said that i said he's got something he wants to do with that or elsewise it wouldn't have come up do you do you care to change your tune now fine, sir, and admit to me that I was right, or did you just not like it? Well, I don't think it's about you. I think in general I don't like that this was the trigger they used to get punk angry, but with that said, I thought Punk's promo here was great, the explanation was great, and I recognized they needed a trigger to get Roman angry at CM Punk, so. And I submit to you, can't be a question?
Starting point is 01:19:53 counselor, that the horse did come before the cart because the reason that they used that as the trigger is because punk had this promo. Because, I mean, nobody's screaming, please, retire like they were at Jericho. But hey, he's an older dog in the fight and Roman is a new, you know, obviously Roman's close to him in age, but he's the newer, younger, shiny, or taller, and so he had this promo. He said, am I old? Yeah, but am I ashamed of it?
Starting point is 01:20:33 Hell no. If I was, I'd use just for men like Roman. But I'm middle-aged and crazy like Terry Funk. I'm the same age as Nolan Ryan when he bombed Pearl Harbor and a Gordy Howl when he stormed the Alamo. You know what I'm saying. I hope so. well because i don't remember what the gordy how played football till he was 52 or no hockey hockey and no one ryan is the one that played the fucking football till he was nevertheless yeah
Starting point is 01:21:08 so he said ask me how i feel i'm old but i'm not insecure because i feel like the best in the world and last week this old man dropped you with one punch and at russomania this old man's going to tie you a knots and 20 minutes deep when you're gasping for air and all that. Did you see, did you hear what he said? Because he said it quick and he got it in. 20 minutes deep when you're gasping for air and all that oil and jizz, you cover yourself in dries up. Yep.
Starting point is 01:21:42 God damn. Et cetera, et cetera. Then you got beat by the old man. That's the, I'm saying, you know, he's thinking weeks ahead. And so I said that was perfect. But nevertheless, Gunther couldn't beat me and Jay Uso couldn't beat me. And then music.
Starting point is 01:22:04 And he's like, oh, is he going to yeeat me to death? And here comes Jay and they have the face off. And Jay's yelling at punk for running his mouth and punk. So, well, you can have your rematch right now. And then Jimmy's out like, hold up now. Jay, Jay, you. you don't think about things. Leave him to the OTC.
Starting point is 01:22:29 And meanwhile, punk is standing there smiling watching the Uso's argue. And then Roman music. And he set the record for getting to the ring. He was to the ring in less than a minute. And he's staring a hole through punk. And now we're like 15 minutes deep into this thing from the entrance.
Starting point is 01:22:50 And we got about five minutes left. And it's its building. and Roman glowers at Punk forever and the fans sing for Roman. And then Roman tells Jimmy that, you know, you had a tag match, it's done, get your brother and leave my ring. And they don't kind of like being talked to like that, but punk says he ought to stay, you need the help. And fucking Jay charges punk and punk nails him and Jimmy grabs punk.
Starting point is 01:23:23 and Roman Superman punches punk from behind. I think they have seen that the tribal chief needs a little fucking healishness to him because it's more exciting that way. And then Pierce and the agents and the referees come out and get the Uso's out on the floor, but then Jay is telling Roman, he talks him into getting back on, get him, get him now, you got to get him. And Roman Spears punk and goes the floor and throws him into the post and power bombs him through the announced desk.
Starting point is 01:24:05 And remember what I said earlier, Brian, I said, they're cheering all the top. They cheered Brock when he did, you know, things after fucking Haman cut the Great Heel promo of modern times. And they're cheering to Orton after he, impaled Cody like Vlad the impaler and the people are now
Starting point is 01:24:31 chant one more time, one more time after fucking Roman power bomb punk through that and they love punk but they just but Roman stalked off and left and punk was laying there selling but they were trying to get him up and he was laughing he's I'm not the one that needs the help
Starting point is 01:24:53 because now he's gotten to Roman again. So I love the performances, but the fans, unless you're just a complete dick, I don't think they're going to dislike anybody at this point. Your thoughts. Do you think the Uso's, I asked you this a couple weeks ago, or I think it was a couple weeks ago, what do you think of the chances of the Uso's turning on Roman
Starting point is 01:25:18 to go with CM Punk? Well, see, that's the thing is, I don't see them going, with CM Punk, would it be possible that either one of the Uso's or both could turn on Roman? Yeah, and that could go either way. It could be the Uso's turn heel on Roman or the Uso's turn on Roman because he is becoming more heelish. But punk, punk shouldn't want him because he's still a baby face against anybody but like Roman. who has, you know, a following.
Starting point is 01:26:00 So he wouldn't want two guys that just turned on a family member. Why does he want them in a group? When he doesn't really particularly like them now, it's not, it's not a characteristic of CM Punk to want these two guys around. So they might act independently of what Punk might want, is what I'm saying. I think this was good otherwise. You know, Roman, we talked about a couple weeks ago, still gets that monster reaction when he comes out.
Starting point is 01:26:31 That music still is special, although it's been altered a few times. And as bad as the Uso's may be in the ring, apologies, anyone offended by me saying that, they excel in segments like this. Yeah. And it used to be Jay, they got all the attention, I think people are realizing now in a at-time subdued way, Jimmy's just as good. they're not both just rabid and intense and it works like that and you have the whole dynamic
Starting point is 01:27:03 with them and Roman where he still acts like he's their boss yeah get out of my ring get your brother so we'll see I mean I like the idea this is the most interesting punk has been in a while not to put anything he's done down
Starting point is 01:27:17 I'm not saying that but he's just kind of been baby face CM Punk not I'm fucking with you UCM punk. Yeah. So I think this has been pretty good. Again, the build-the-Ressomania has lacked in a lot of ways,
Starting point is 01:27:31 but the better things have been Brock and Oba and punk and Roman. And Cody and Orton also, because they've got the same problem is that they're going to cheer Orton to just kick their shit out of Cody now, but at least it's a big mega match. It's a big money match with guys that are super over. Again, I think the problem, as Cody has been booked under for a while, even though he's the top guy.
Starting point is 01:28:00 And now you're seeing the results. Someone cooler turns and they want to see him win. People want to see Randy Orton win the belt at WrestleMania now. Yeah. Because that'll be number 15 or whatever. It's just they'll get to see it. And the WrestleMania crowd goes to see if something big is going to happen, they want it to happen there because they've spent the most money.
Starting point is 01:28:23 So they're going to be cheering for, you know, Saddam Hussein to fucking take over, whatever. Hey, the episode of The Rifleman with Sammy Davis Jr.'s on. Who, is that the one where he talks to the animals? Or is that the one where he's, he's the fast draw guy. This is the fast draw. No, he's the fast draw on the Rifleman because he was in an episode of another Western where he talked to the animals.
Starting point is 01:28:50 I'm trying to think, because it was on the other day. He's a fast draw here. but this was WW RAW. That was WW RAW, at least what you watched of it. Jim, let's stay on the topic of WWE news. Some Hall of Fame inductions have been announced. We pull up an official statement here.
Starting point is 01:29:10 From two days ago, from www.com, Dennis Rodman announced for WWE Hall of Fame class of 2026. It was announced on ESPN. that he'll be joining the Hall of Fame, five-time NBA champion, key member of the iconic Detroit Piston and Chicago Bulls teams.
Starting point is 01:29:34 He took over sports page headlines when he aligned with the New World Order in WCW in 1997. Christ. Known as Rod Zilla, he teamed up with Hulk Hogan to face Lex Luger and the Giant in a highly publicized main event
Starting point is 01:29:52 at Bash at the Beach. And it goes on from there. What are your thoughts on Dennis Rodman? And as far as celebrities who participate go, the ones who get results, Izzy is deserving as some of the other ones in there? Well, I mean, there's so much about this. Number one, are they scraping the bottom of the barrel
Starting point is 01:30:17 in terms of what celebrity can we induct this year to issue a press release that might get us some attention that had some peripheral contact with now, not even the WWF, but just the wrestling business in general. And is Dennis Rodman still alive? We don't hear, you used to see pictures of him all the time
Starting point is 01:30:45 at various events. What the fuck does he do now? I'm not exactly sure. Does he still look weird? Is he still got to get? gimmick or is he a normal human? He looks weirder than ever. The years of looking weird caught up to him and now he looks like all those years put
Starting point is 01:31:00 together. The last thing I saw with him on the news on TV, I could be wrong, but I believe he's a proponent of Kim Jong-un. Oh, Christ. And they bonded over their love of basketball. So he's trying to defend the North Korean system. Well, the point is, he worked
Starting point is 01:31:23 What wonderful spokesman to have, by the way, of all the American celebrities to get, let's get Dennis Rodman to defend us. A world leader like him, of course, you know, we would, but he did a pay-per-view match and a couple of TVs to lead up to it 30 years ago for their competitor. And I can't even remember it,
Starting point is 01:31:47 don't even care whether the paper view did any business or not, but obviously, this is just a publicity stunt, and that's the point I'm making, are they this far down the list of legitimate celebrities, people who are renowned in some field, athletics, entertainment, that they can put into their celebrity category for the year
Starting point is 01:32:08 that they have to go with Dennis Rodman, is that all there is? Is he living in Vegas? Maybe that's all there is. Well, I mean, from what I remember, that still might not be a guarantee he'd show. show up even if he was in his hometown. The greatest story ever years ago was set on Howard Stern.
Starting point is 01:32:28 When Dennis Rodman was married that Carmen Elektra, she walked in on him cheating on her. And she says, Dennis, who's this woman in my bed? And he said, what woman? The woman right there, the woman in my bed. And he said, she must have fallen out of the ceiling. No, listen, if I go on with the bio here, it was more than one match. There was also the famous stuff with him and Carl Malone, which happened during the NBA finals.
Starting point is 01:32:57 I don't know if you remember that, but... Oh, yeah, they got in trouble for that, didn't they? Him and Hogan against Dallas Page and Carl Malone, and also at Road Wild, I don't remember this one. Rodman also had a memorable match against the legendary macho man, Randy Savage. What? At Road Wild in 1999. Oh, that's when they used to go to Sturgis, so Bischoff and all the guys could ride
Starting point is 01:33:21 motorcycles. And they would lose money by charging no admission and having a fucking TV shoot in the middle of a goddamn desert. But anyway, that's a publicity stunt, obviously. But I guess that's where they're at on the celebrity list these days. Well, Jim, in other news, WWE today, as we are recording, had an announcement. Let me go to this. former WWE champion Psycho Sid Udi will be inducted into the
Starting point is 01:33:56 W.W.E. Hall of Fame as a legacy inductee and a member of the class of 2026. That is an image of him here, a different shade because he's a legacy inductee, so it's black and white. He's not allowed to be in fucking color. And Triple H has a statement, and here it is,
Starting point is 01:34:17 no matter which moniker you knew him, by, Sid's intensity was palpable across the ring and through your TV screen. A multi-time champion in WWE and WCW and a two-time WrestleMania main event, because that's now a stat. It's a pleasure to announce that he will take his rightful place in the 2026 legacy class of the Hall of Fame. The legacy class, which basically means we're not going to do anything at the ceremony except say your name once real quick. Yes. And Psycho Sid from the same era, a contemporary of others like Whipper Billy Watson.
Starting point is 01:34:59 What the... Again, this is ridiculous. Sid, whether you liked him or not, was a legitimate star for this company in more than one period and more than one run, never a long one, as we know. But everybody knows who the fuck Sid was. and he was a wrestler in this company that is putting on this shendig, this, you know, slammery level event. But you're inducting Dennis Rodman,
Starting point is 01:35:31 who had a peripheral moment in the business 30 years ago on the regular program and the regular class, but Sid, who everybody would want to see, inducted into the regular, class is in the legacy wing where as you said they're going to say his name real fast he's a he's a name he's a star what the fuck why don't I don't
Starting point is 01:35:58 why not save it till next year if you've got too many you can't wormy men they'll just like play some dramatic music and real quick you'll have like a couple images of it'll be Tony Parisi Sid Justice Doink the clown It'll just go on
Starting point is 01:36:17 And then they go back to the people Who are actually invited And who have family there Obviously Sid has passed What are your thoughts on Sid in terms of someone Who you saw in real time And
Starting point is 01:36:31 You certainly recognize the positives And you also recognize the limitations And at times maybe the attitude problems Depending on where you worked Yeah Do you reevaluate the way he worked and the unique charisma he had when looking at it today through 2026 eyes. You live through it, but you've seen so much since then.
Starting point is 01:36:54 Do you see him a little differently today than you would have in 1996? I think the main difference as I look back is I think instead of Sid being just an asshole, I think he was just, he was more of the flaky guy who was convinced. convinced that he was right rather than just being a dick by leaving all the time or walking out or whatever the fuck. The issue led to his repeated departures. He was just more flaky and just he could be, you know, of just a wonderful, nice person. Or he could be fucking nuts. But nobody looked like that and could talk like that.
Starting point is 01:37:41 and the word intensity had that. And he got over, remember we talked about that match with the skyscrapers on pay-per-view with the dynamic dudes or whoever it was, where the people. Oh, Bash 89, yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:37:58 The people booed everybody in a match except Sid. They chanted for Spivey to tag Sid when they were the heels. And then popped like crazy when Sid would get in and fucking everything. he did. He would get over like he got over Michael's in the garden. They loved
Starting point is 01:38:19 the look of him. He was a superhero. And if he had been more mentally mature, he would have had longer runs making huge money because he could do
Starting point is 01:38:36 athletically more than enough to be a top fucking pro wrestler at the size and look of him. He didn't need to throw drop kicks off top rope. So he could, he wasn't dangerous unless he just wasn't fucking paying attention. But that's, you know, as he got a little older and started to learn
Starting point is 01:39:00 a little psychology, the ring got better, but at the same time, you couldn't get him to commit. You couldn't get him to, oh, I should be paid more than that guy or gosh, I just want to play softball this season or whatever the fuck, right? And that's what, you know, pretty much doomed him. And then the, you know, the injury, which he took quite a while to come back from and never
Starting point is 01:39:31 really did, but, you know, to even wrestle again a few times, whatever. But I think that's the problem. He could talk. He could talk and he could work. he looked great, he just never could think. Well, he's now a legacy inductee into the WWE Hall of Fame, Psycho Sid, who joins Stephanie McMahon, Dennis Rodman, Demolition. And who am I forgetting?
Starting point is 01:40:02 And I'm forgetting another in this year's... Oh, AJ Stiles, that's who it is. Oh, yes, yes. Well, he... He's been there for, you know, recently, where we just take him from... granted, but yeah. Well, that is that. Jim, let's get some questions here.
Starting point is 01:40:20 I got a question sent to corny drive-thru at gmail.com from Donnie in Allentown, Pennsylvania. I always wonder what the actual origin of the professional wrestling smart mark fans came from. Was always thinking Philadelphia or Baltimore, am I correct? Some interesting grammar and spacing issues here with email but you get the drift uh and no you are not correct in the modern era Philadelphia probably yes and in Baltimore just because the people
Starting point is 01:40:57 Philly started coming to Baltimore and it kind of spread sort of like a virus but if you want to talk about the birth of any smart fans at all Brian we've talked about this fan clubs for the wrestlers go back to the 50s. Because the 50s as a whole were a big time not only for wrestling on TV, but for fan clubs in general.
Starting point is 01:41:25 There was a Mickey Mouse fan club. For the Mickey Mouse Club TV show, you could join that, right? And get a membership card. No, I've said, or the, you know, the Lone Ranger, the Little Orphan, Annie fucking decoder ring. That was a big deal and in the 50s the guys that had fan clubs it was usually some you know Bobby Soxer or you know even older than that girl who is kind of fixated on the the wrestler and you've seen some of those old pictures
Starting point is 01:42:05 Brian in the fan club columns in the wrestling magazines right and Georgianne Macropolis yeah Georgianne orsie Yes Georgian mastis she had a few different names well now she wasn't trying to stay ahead of the law she was her maiden name and then she was married once and married a good she was around for 40 years so but point being
Starting point is 01:42:27 then it looked like to me and it kind of seems like this is the case that in the 60s it became more young guys starting to have the fan club for and sometimes it was the heels. Remember Johnny Dark and Sam Phillips kids in Memphis for the Sputnik Monroe fan club?
Starting point is 01:42:50 And Rock Riddle, the wrestler and sometime manager, was actually the president of the Rip Hawk and Sweet Hanson fan club in North Carolina in the 60s. And you started seeing the pictures in the, the wrestling magazines, pen pals or whatever. A lot of times it was just, you know, kids, girls, guys who wanted to meet girls.
Starting point is 01:43:19 But every once in a while, you would see the picture of some guy's name that would turn out to be a guy who a couple of years later would do one of the early wrestling results newsletters at Ron Dobrats from, where was he from Chicago? Tom Burke did the global wrestling news service newsletter and these became the smart fans because they were the guys
Starting point is 01:43:47 mostly that were around the business that were going to all of the shows in a given market and kind of picking up their own impressions and then they would trade results and programs with people in other areas that kind of were figuring the same things out and me and Norman Dooley in the 70s, except I already kind of, you know,
Starting point is 01:44:17 had the end as a photographer, but at the same time, we're still trading information with people from other areas that are the smart fans of that time. That's kind of how it happened. People that were so enamored of the business, they wanted to save the programs,
Starting point is 01:44:36 they wanted to commemorate the results, They wanted to memorialize the title changes, and they wanted to find out what was going on when one of their favorite wrestlers left that territory and went somewhere else. Shit, I got to find somebody over in Dallas. There was this pair of sisters, these twin sisters, Ruth and Pauline Crow,
Starting point is 01:45:00 and they were easily in their 50s or 60s in 1977. so I'm assuming they're gone. But they loved the Gibson brothers so much, Ricky and Robert Gibson, that when Ricky and Robert in the summer of 77 went on that tour in Nova Scotia, they found somebody in Nova Scotia somehow to send them newspaper clippings.
Starting point is 01:45:30 So they were like three weeks, but they could see, you know, what Ricky and Robert were doing. And they weren't smart to wrestling. They just had a crush on these guys, but they became smart when they realized that, you know, they went to Knoxville and the same thing happened as it happened in Louisville, and that's how they got smart. But it was a very, a very small and very dedicated group at that point in time with no internet and no, not only no encouragement, but discouragement,
Starting point is 01:46:05 from most of the promoters, you know, who didn't want all of the things to be known across country. Does that answer the question? I don't know if it did, actually. What was the question? The origin of the smart mark. That was the origin of the smart mark. I mean, that was the origin of, I guess so.
Starting point is 01:46:27 That was the origin of fans getting smart. when and again the level of smartness has changed because I would have fit that category of smart mark in 1981 even though I was a photographer I was still as I said not supposed to officially be smart even though some people like Bobby Fulton whatever knew I was but I didn't fully understand the whole system of the book and the promoter's roles and who was doing what in all of the territories until I actually got into business. And I was one of the smarter smart marks.
Starting point is 01:47:12 So there wasn't anywhere near the level of knowledge of inside the business. The way fans originally got smart was by that method I just mentioned. And then, to be honest, It was fed upon by Turner Broadcasting, buying Crockett, and, you know, in the New York Times, they were like, well, we're changing the scripts and Vince with the New Jersey Athletic Commission, the big promoters for their own various selfish reasons or stupid reasons, just coming out and admitting that they were a work, is what then magnified a bunch of people who had always loved wrestling into chasing down this inside newsletter shit so that they could be smart too.
Starting point is 01:48:08 And then suddenly, everybody, whether you learn to wrestle from some guy in his barn and fucking cross at Arkansas or got your smartening up in a newsletter from a guy from California, everybody suddenly got oversmart and thought they're smarter and they really fucking are. And that's what led to the birth of the modern smart mark or whatever the fuck. And what are your thoughts on the actual term,
Starting point is 01:48:40 smart mark? When did you first hear the term? And what are your thoughts on fans calling other fans marks? Well, see... Is that just silly or... Okay. What was the... You asked several questions there.
Starting point is 01:48:53 The first was smart mark. You started hearing. that when everybody started picking up on the newsletters not only Uncle Dave's but also the pro wrestling torch and Steve Beverly had Matt watch early on and they really because I never heard anybody in the business refer to somebody as a smart mark the smart mark term was coined by people that either wrote or read the newsletters and basically
Starting point is 01:49:30 to describe I guess themselves or a certain group maybe adjacent to themselves or whatever and I've seen Dave liken the word mark to the N-word and you know both
Starting point is 01:49:51 were used interchangeably in wrestling in the territory days, both offensive he's just going on some kind of goddamn tirade because people have called him a marks many times it's just stuck up in his fucking tampon not only did the guys call the fans the marks because they were the marks
Starting point is 01:50:11 because they were the ones that were buying the tickets and therefore they're the marks for the work that were perpetrating here but also in some cases that marks was used derisively because they were also the people who were trying to stab you
Starting point is 01:50:29 or beat you up or fucking throwing shit at you or whatever. But they'd call it, depending on the usage of the word, they'd call each other marks. Oh, you're a mark for fucking, you know, Flair, that's why you're wearing that robe. Or you're a goddamn mark for pussy. Or you're a mark for, whatever you're a mark for.
Starting point is 01:50:49 Whatever you're a fan of, whatever your interest lay. you can use it in all different kinds of ways, but I never heard anybody in the locker room sitting there saying, I hate those marks and the marks, we've got to eliminate all the marks. Forgive it wasn't for the marks, we wouldn't be making any money,
Starting point is 01:51:11 but that was the term was used for them. Now, if there was a particular mark that had jumped you and you'd gotten in a goddamn big hayroob with them and the cops and blah, blah, blah, and it'd be a fucking mark, yeah. But no, it's just, but that's, again, in the carney days, the mark literally was marked. When they saw a guy that was falling for the crooked fucking games, a guy would walk up to him and just put his hand on his shoulder, whatever, put a chalk mark on him, the mark. So everybody know they could make some money off of him.
Starting point is 01:51:47 But later on, as many things did, they evolved from the carnival into wrestling, but those are the marks. It's not like those are the heinous sub-underground dwellers that must be exterminated. What the fuck is going on? So it's not that bad of a cuss word, but basically you can also, you can be a mark for anything. If you're a fan of it, it depends on the usage of the word. And smart mark just means that you're a fan who got smart or thinks he's smart. because there's a difference between being a smart mark and actually being smart to the wrestling business.
Starting point is 01:52:31 But again, some of the people in the wrestling business ain't smart to it. So there's levels to this shit, as the kids say. And what about fans calling other fans? Because we see that sometimes if a fight breaks out in a culticorne at Facebook group or something, all of a sudden it's, you're such a mark, or they'll use it in an even worse way.
Starting point is 01:52:50 And it's like, I hate to say it. But you are too and we all are. Well, and also the fans used the word Mark in a more pejorative fashion. There's a word for you, kids, then anybody in the business ever used it about the fans to begin with. So it just, you mark, what does that mean? I don't know what it means to them. The first person I heard who ever said it differently, and this is early on Brian Hildebrand, I remember someone said it around him at
Starting point is 01:53:22 fan week. And his response was, well, I'm a mark. That's why I'm doing this. I'm a mark for the, I'm a mark for all this. And that's when I, you know, it registered to me that some of the fans were using it to other fans as an insult, but it really isn't. But it, I mean, it was, it was much more of an insult, at least, I mean, back in the fucking 30s and 40s, I don't know what it was in the fucking wrestling business. I'm not speaking from experience there, but the modern day use of it has been way overblown. But in the carnivals,
Starting point is 01:53:59 it was much more of an insult because the carnies didn't get paid on the fucking house. They didn't care how many people were at the carnival. They just got paid on whoever they could sucker into their fucking particular fucking gig
Starting point is 01:54:17 they were running. So they hated the people. and they wanted to separate them from their money as much as possible. And when I, Ken Wayne had taken his girlfriend in Memphis 40 years ago to like a county fair that he was working at. And they got there early set to ring up and went around to play the games and do the bullshit, right? Just for a few minutes.
Starting point is 01:54:43 And she wanted to shoot the water at the clown's mouth or whatever it was. And he said, okay, we'll do that. he heard one of the fucking, because they looked like two fucking people went to the fair, right? He heard one of the guys behind the counter say to the other guy, Lizook at this physuck and Mizart. And he fucking put his goddamn clown pistol down and said, hey, fuck you, pal, I ain't no fucking Mark.
Starting point is 01:55:10 And they went, oh shit. The code was broken. And there you go. So you have to be on the lookout. You have to be on the lookout for those marks. Of course, Jim, yes. You also have to be on the lookout for your animals.
Starting point is 01:55:29 You have to make sure that you're feeding your pet the right thing. You have to make sure that your dog has the right food. And we have human-grade food because we are indeed humans. We are the human animal, you, you, and you. But we need to make sure that Fido, Spot, Swami, whoever it may be, have food that they will like and we have found a solution, our friends, Sundays for dogs.
Starting point is 01:55:57 Boy, I thought it was going to take you until Sunday to get there, to be honest with you. But let me just say this. Whether or not you want to feed your dog just crap is up to you, but why would you? Poor little fur, baby, eat a little poochie. There's a bunch of the dog food out there
Starting point is 01:56:18 that's easy to store and easy. to serve, but it also contains a variety of things that you wouldn't feed to a dog, except you are. Think about that. And do you know sometimes if you want the fresh and healthy food, it's not easy to store and serve. Hence why you're doing the easy to store and serve stuff instead of the fresh and healthy stuff. And there's poor little poochie going, Jesus Christ, I'm eating crap. But you don't have to choose anymore between those one things and the other things, thanks to Sundays for dogs because they have created food founded by a veterinarian and mother.
Starting point is 01:56:59 It still does not say whether she is a mother of a actual baby or a fur baby, but actually, they ought to be eating the same thing anyway. If you've got a kid's under three or four, I'd suggest give them a taste of this too. It may save you some money in a long run. But nevertheless, Dr. Torrey Waxman got tired of seeing the. so-called premium dog food full of fillers and synthetics. And there was asbestos and all kinds of polyurethane and all kinds of polyester. Your dog was eating a leisure suit every year of poly.
Starting point is 01:57:36 Did you see that study, Brian? A leisure suit full of polyester every year. I have not seen this. In off-brand dog food. I suspect this study may not be a legitimate study. I've not seen anything about this. Well, I looked at it for a long time and stared at it. so it was legitimate.
Starting point is 01:57:50 So she designed Sundays for dogs, which is air-dried real food made in a human-grade kitchen using the same ingredients and care you'd use to cook for yourself and your family. That's why I say, if the baby's crying at night, just put a little of this and milk and fucking let them have at it. Every bite of Sundays is clean and made from real meat, fruits, and veggies
Starting point is 01:58:15 with no kibble, no weird ingredients you can't. pronounced like forfumpha and zervigothin and no fillers and compared to kibble or other brands out there sundays invests 50 times more in its ingredients to ensure the premium quality because your puppy or little old not puppy but older dog your adult dog is what i'm trying to say whether they're a kid or not they deserve food made with care filet mignon bacon wrapped scallops lobster thermidor no freezers mess and
Starting point is 01:58:56 just nutrient rich clean food that's what we're talking about yes just scoop it out and stuff it in a bowl and let them eat it that part parts of that part there are elements that are in fact true what we could say is sundays for dogs is very popular with dogs
Starting point is 01:59:14 I tested it out here Swami loves when I go for that big yellow cereal box and I pull a bunch of Sundays for dogs in the bowl, and then I usually get some on the floor, too. And I don't feel I have to pick it up because I know he'll eat it up because it's delicious. Because he's going to, and that's right.
Starting point is 01:59:32 And that's why Suzanne the other night, in the middle of the night, getting a snack, came down in the dark and got that cereal box and never noticed the difference that you're not going to say a word about it. But that's not what happened. We don't keep them in the same cabinet for the record. We separate the animal food from the dog food. Well, no, but see, this is human-grade food. What doesn't mean you keep it with your corn pops?
Starting point is 01:59:53 It means you keep it. In a human-grade way. Well, what are you doing feeding Swami corn pops? I'm not. That's the other cereal in a yellow box. If you come down in the middle of the night, you're grabbing a yellow box. It could be corn pops. It could be Sundays for dogs.
Starting point is 02:00:04 Well, you want to keep those in separate locations. Folks, anything that you can imagine that your puppy would like to have is all contained right in Sundays for dogs. They'll have better mood. more energy, no eye boogers, better poop. You're going to increase the quality, and you're going to be sniffing every day and you'll notice the difference. They even give you the instructions
Starting point is 02:00:30 on how to take a culture and put it in a slide and go ahead and put it under your nose and get a good snort of it every day. And you're going to notice day to day the complete improvement in the smell of Pucci's poop. Make the switch to Sundays. Go right now. Right now.
Starting point is 02:00:49 Sundays for dogs.com. That's a long one there, Sundays for dogs.com slash JCE50 and you're going to get 50% off your first order. That's a code JCE50. You can use that at checkout. 50% off your first order.
Starting point is 02:01:11 The pup's eating for half price. So I haven't seen a deal like that in a dog's age. Sundays for Dogs.com slash JCE50, Brian. And again, human-grade food made in a human-grade kitchen by human-grade people for dog-grade dogs. Yeah, yes, something like that and something wonderful for your dog, once again, Sundaysfor-Dogs.com slash J-C-E-50. Get 50% off your first order. but Jim
Starting point is 02:01:48 let's try to get this mouse to work there we go woof bow and whatever else the jimperish continues you can't bow without wow you have to have it's not just bow
Starting point is 02:02:01 it's either woof or rough or it's bow wow what about rough rough rough well that's only if you've got a stutter okay I don't know if I agree with that assessment I think rough rough is as acceptable as bow wow or woof-woof?
Starting point is 02:02:19 Well, you're going to, if you're going to repeat yourself. RU. F, RUFF. I think that one is just as acceptable as the others. There's no reason to repeat yourself. I got your point the first time. All right, Sundays for dogs. Don't repeat yourself. Treat yourself. Jim, going back to a story repeating our news break here. A story that we covered on a previous
Starting point is 02:02:42 show. I have a headline from MPB Online.org Former pro wrestler Ted DiBiase Jr. acquitted on all criminal charges related to welfare scandal by Shamira Muhammad. A jury unanimously acquitted former pro wrestler Ted DiBiase Jr. Friday on 13 criminal charges related to the state's $77 million welfare fraud scandal. he faced up to 185 years in prison Jesus Christ
Starting point is 02:03:19 Now wait a minute All right now He faced up to 185 years in prison on charges Including wire fraud Conspiracy, theft And money laundering I'll stop there But that's obviously just multiple counts
Starting point is 02:03:33 Over and over again Because they didn't give Charles Manson That much time in prison, did they? But If you asked Charles Manson You were in prison He was on the outside well it was the problem is that how how did they ever bring these charges to begin with if he wasn't involved in it if he didn't have some access to this money or some receipt of some money or how the fuck did they just get this totally wrong what how could it go that far that he's accused of 860s
Starting point is 02:04:15 16 years in prison worth of shit, and he's completely innocent of everything. How do we swing the pendulum that far from one direction to the other? And I should remind you much like OJ, I believe there's a civil trial right now, which is separate from the criminal trial, not to compare him to OJ. I don't know why. I don't know why he's O. I was wondering what the fuck did that come from. Well, a famous civil trial after a criminal trial. Did he get off because the tights wouldn't fit or what?
Starting point is 02:04:44 All right, well, back to this story here. Yeah. Federal prosecutors had accused him of misappropriating funds intended for Mississippi's most vulnerable residents. DiBiase received contracts worth more than $3 million through two nonprofits contracting with the state's Department of Human Services. Prosecutors alleged, he spent the money on trips, a $1.5 million home in Madison, and other luxury items. Madison, Mississippi, what can you tell me? Madison, Mississippi? Jesus crap, for $1.5 million, you could live in a governor's mansion in Mississippi.
Starting point is 02:05:28 I can't imagine what that place must look like. Here's a quote from Ted DiBiase Jr. as he left the court. I give all the credit to my Lord and Savior. Seven years of being slandered and made to be something that is completely false. It's about torn my family apart, but we're strong. Several witnesses, including former DHS director John Davis, testified that Dibiasi had not fulfilled contractual obligations after receiving more than $3 million from the state's TANF and T-E-FAP programs.
Starting point is 02:06:09 Dibiasi, who audibly sobbed as the verdicts were read, said he was relieved. I might go cut my grass today I'm going to live again I'm going to continue to serve people because that's where the money is because that's really because that really is who I am
Starting point is 02:06:29 I do care about every Mississippian all the doubters or haters or people that have maybe had false information and not all the information I forgive you and I love you too Let me stop there for a moment.
Starting point is 02:06:47 Any thoughts? Okay, but I still, in the broadest terms they described, he was accused of taking $3 million for services that he didn't provide. What was he supposed to do for $3 million? And if they gave it to him and that stuff didn't get done, then that would be an indication. If they gave it to him and stuff got done, why is nobody wanting to go in detail about what the fuck was going?
Starting point is 02:07:15 going on here. And here's another thing. Google, Brian, if you will, the average home price in the state of Mississippi. While I make this second point, if he's living, I don't think his father, who was a fucking main event, WWF superstar for fucking 15 years or whatever, is probably living in a $1.5 million home in Mississippi. if he's where did Ted DiBiase Jr. who up until what 10 years ago was trying to be a rookie wrestler, where did he make enough money suddenly? If they say he took this money and spent it on the home, well then wouldn't he have to say, well, no, I actually made X amount of million dollars from doing why and here's how I did it and fuck you. I didn't take your money. What is going on here? The median home price in Mississippi, Jim,
Starting point is 02:08:15 approximately $250,000 to $263,000. There you go. So he's not in a median, he's in a fast lane. But I'm not saying he's guilty of this specific thing, but I'm saying it's a multimillionaire and he's being accused of stealing millions of dollars to spend it on this stuff. Wouldn't part of the defense be?
Starting point is 02:08:41 Well, no, here's where I got these millions of dollars legally. if that was if you could prove that a guy made millions of dollars legally then how are you going to get that deep into a court case accusing him of having stolen it well again trying to see anything here in the story that says it the former directors nancy new no relation i hope and christie webb of two non-profit organizations had previously pleaded guilty to federal criminal charges related to the welfare scandal. They also testified during the trial. Their organizations were responsible for dispersing funds to DiBiase. Both New and Webb testified to seeing almost no evidence of DeBiase fulfilling his contracts
Starting point is 02:09:34 and feeling pressure from Davis to continue doling out money to DiBiase. Here's a quote from DeBiasey's attorney, Gilbert, Scott Gilbert, Guess I'd say Gilbert? God damn you. Just talk to my lawyer, Gilbert. Teddy trusted those folks to guide them in the right direction. Unfortunately, it got him into a difficult spot. I'm sure there were plenty of things Teddy would do differently now
Starting point is 02:10:09 if he had the chance to do it again. You would have bought a $3 million house because he realized he would have kept it. U.S. District Judge Carlton Reeves also cleared debiase of any obligations related to his bond. Once again, here's Gilbert. For six years of his life, he's been unemployable. He's been unable to do anything at all to help support and take care of his family. Today, that comes to an end.
Starting point is 02:10:39 Okay, for six fucking years, he has been unemployable and done, been able to do nothing to support. What was his bank account statement reading when they started this fiasco? How has this been possible? How could prosecutors make that big a mistake? How could this guy have made millions of dollars for doing whatever the fuck it is he's supposed to do? But he couldn't account for it enough before they brought him to fucking court and spent six years putting him through this. What the fuck is going on here? And finally, we have a statement from the state auditor, Shad White. While I'm disappointed in the result of the trial,
Starting point is 02:11:24 nothing changes the fact that seven people have already pleaded guilty to state or federal charges because of the welfare scandal. My hope now is that the state's lawyers will be able to recover as much of the misspent money as possible in civil court so hardworking taxpayers could see some accountability for what happened. happened here. And there it is. It sounds to me like everybody else pleaded guilty and they say, okay, fuck it. You're done. And he said, fuck you. I didn't, I, I wasn't even there. And I hired a lawyer and he got off. He got off with the criminal. Now it's time for the civil trial, which again, is a different animal altogether. And he's going to have to show, I presume, where he got the money for that house and where all this money went. But the
Starting point is 02:12:14 And why do they always say civil court when it's never civil? It's quite contentious. Well, the headline, Ted DiBiase Jr., or Teddy, as his attorney calls him, has been acquitted of criminal charges related to the welfare scandal. We will stay on top of the story and follow any of the further breaking things. I know his brother was also involved in this, and the other guy was telling them that he would die for them and then he loved them and needed to be with them and We'll see what happens, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 02:12:46 Ooh, ooh, ooh, and it was Brett Fav. That's right. Farrv was also, I was thinking a big name. I was trying to say it. Big name involved in this. Couldn't say it the other day. So one of the listeners chimed in, Brett Fav is the answer we were looking for. Jim, let me get your thoughts on this.
Starting point is 02:13:05 This has been sent over to me in the last few minutes by a bunch of listeners. It just went up on Twitter by the account Russell Purists. and the reporting is being credited to the wrestling reporter Mike Johnson. Rhonda Rousey is not expected back in AEW anytime soon. Her appearance at Revolution was, as of now, just a one-off designated to promote her MMA return and appear in support of Marina Shafir. Told you. Since Revolution was local for Rousey, and in the second,
Starting point is 02:13:42 market as a fight against Gina Carano, it was just a moment where it made sense for all involved since all the constellations were aligned. I don't know about all that. But what are your thoughts on the big thing? Everyone was buzzing about Ronda Rousey and Tony Storm, and then, of course, Tony Storm is now out indefinitely, and they won't say why. And now Ronda Rousey, apparently, it was a one-off to promote. It didn't really do anything to promote that fight, but what are your thoughts? Well, they mentioned it.
Starting point is 02:14:13 Here's the thing. I didn't think that she would do anything at all whatsoever until after this fight with Gino Corona. And then, who knows, if Tony's willing to pay millions dollars and she can play with her friend, then that may be something. But that's basically why she probably was doing it for Marina as a favor and was able to sell it to her boxing promoters as this is an appearance I can make with no physicality that can promote the fight, so they allowed it. And of course, Tony Kahn jumped at the thought
Starting point is 02:14:53 of having a surprise Rhonda Rousey on his pay-per-view, so they did it. But I didn't think that this was going to, you know, enter into a phase of Rhonda's new career. And that's what I was saying as the wrestling fans know that she hates this and hates them at this point. So they're going to boo her that's not really a, you know, a giant help for any company at this point. But that's what it was because I get to, you know, hang out with the marina or whatever. And that's what it turns out to. I don't know.
Starting point is 02:15:30 I guess it's just weird that this is twice now with AEW. She just kind of popped in. And AEW said, sure, you know, great. and they get the attention for it, especially the second time, wasn't a Ring of Honor show. And then that's it. It's just maybe we'll see you again.
Starting point is 02:15:46 Thanks for coming. You don't really get to capitalize on that. Our door is always open. You don't get to capitalize on that, is my point. There's nothing to build on. There's nothing. With Tony, Tony's thinking,
Starting point is 02:15:58 oh my God, it's Roder Rousey. It's a moment. It's a thing that people will talk about. He doesn't feel like he's being a doormat for any time that she wants to, you know, grace them with her present. It's, you know, oh, this is a big deal. Rhonda Rousey's a star and she's on my show, whatever she wants to. So he'll leave a light on for her.
Starting point is 02:16:25 Do you think after that appearance TKO contacted her? Not like in a negative way, like, how dare you? But like, hey, are you interested in doing anything? Did you sign a contract? Do you think anyone contacted her? I don't know. They probably wanted to know if she'd signed anything, but I don't know if they wanted to know bad enough
Starting point is 02:16:48 to let her know that they wanted to know. But I don't think they're necessarily interested in her coming back with the lack of interest on everybody's part. But at the same time, I don't think they would want her going full-time anywhere else, but I don't believe that's going to happen. I don't think she wants to. Well, there it is the latest in AEW Talent Relations News,
Starting point is 02:17:15 Ronda Rousey. Not expected back anytime soon, but we shall be back right after this short commercial timeout. All right, Jim, you know what that means? There's more action here on the show. That means it was longer than the introduction. Jim, I have here a bunch of the latest retro wrestling figures and wrestling collectibles that have recently come out from some of the finest independent toy makers and collectible makers. I don't know if we're out to call them toys. Around.
Starting point is 02:17:54 Around. Why don't we start with some Power Town news? I heard there was some news from, won't you take me to? Well, it has gone around that apparently Greg Gagne and Magnum T.A. Terry Allen have been removed from the Power Town website. Oh. Not just as members of the team, but any historical information about who founded the company. It is now one person listed as finding the company.
Starting point is 02:18:24 They have been scrubbed. Steve Rosenthal is now the main person, as we have thought. And apparently Greg Gagne and Magnum T.A. for one reason or another are not there. Here we have a couple messages that people sent us. Let me go first to someone in the same. Scott Lone, posted on social media. I received a message from Magnum T.A. this afternoon. I reached out to him to find out when my order was going to ship.
Starting point is 02:18:58 And if it wasn't going to be any time soon, I'd respectfully request a refund for my outstanding orders. T.A. replied that I'd have to reach out to Steve Rosenthal, as he and Greg Gagne are no longer associated with the company. anyone know how to contact Rosenthal. So let's stop there. The newsday... Wait a minute, that's right.
Starting point is 02:19:23 I'm just going to call Rosenthal. Does Rosenthal is his home phone number on billboards around town? How do you contact Steve Rosenthal? Is there anything on the website? If you go to the website, and I have a Rosenthal answer for you, If you go to the website here, no, it took me right back to where I was before. Powertown Wrestling. Powertownwrestling.com.
Starting point is 02:19:52 If you go there, oh, now it says that the Ultras are sold out. That's good to see. Our story, our meet the team. Who is the team? The team is Steve Rosenthal, the managing partner of Powertown Wrestling. Steve is a wealth of experience in the toy and licensing field. He also has the wealth of everyone. one else's money that bought fucking figures from him.
Starting point is 02:20:15 His list of licensed products spans the breadth of the toy industry's most iconic brands, such as DC action figures, Marvel superhero action figures, Tonka, Little Tykes, Karate Kid, Universal Monsters, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Hower Rangers, and Harley Davidson, to name a few. and that's it What has more about him here teaming up with wrestling legend Vern Ganya in the early 1980s
Starting point is 02:20:48 Rosenthal created the concept of wrestling action he created it Roosevelt created the concept of the wrestling action figure space with stars from the American Wrestling Association and the only other team member listed here
Starting point is 02:21:04 I invented water bro is those type of deals William Donnie That's in quotes. William Donnie Robbins. That's like Wayne from Classy Motors. His real name was Terry, but he'd only answer to Wayne if you called him on a phone. Donnie's experience and expertise in the toy industry is far too extensive to capture in just a few sentences.
Starting point is 02:21:31 So many landmark milestones running through my mind. It best can be summed up with his remarkable tenure with toys R.R. Russ, who I believe went bankrupt, where he was the general merchandise manager responsible for more than $200 million in purchases with an inventory value of more than $1 billion in retail sales. He also conceptualized and developed private label merchandise and secured licenses exclusively for the iconic retail organization. What? That's the team.
Starting point is 02:22:13 Again, no Magnum T.A. No Greg Gagne. I believe my friend Polish Joe Chupik may have been on this list at one point. But also when you go to the history, Greg and Magnum have been completely taken out of that also, is what you're saying. If you go to Our Story, founded by Steve Rosenthal in 2021,
Starting point is 02:22:38 Relativity Worldwide, Power Town Wrestling, is dedicated to creating authentic collectibles at honor and support to hardworking athlete entertainers and families who built a sport of professional wrestling. Power Town connects collectors with the stories and personalities they revere. Rosenthal, a former vice president marketing at Remco Toys may be best remembered for creating the original wrestling action figure craze of the 1980s.
Starting point is 02:23:13 That's such a retelling of history that's not accurate. And he's wanting to support the families and stories of these iconic entertainers. He's just not one to support him financially because none of the boys got any money. Well, the big thing this says more than anything right here is that someone updated the website. someone went on to this website and said we have to scrub certain things and alter other things and change things let me see if anything is still for sale and let me just say this that
Starting point is 02:23:45 it sounds like that maybe Greg and Magnum may have wanted that to be scrubbed is like hey did they finally is the blame on Rosenthal did they finally fucking crack and fall away like We can't put up with this anymore.
Starting point is 02:24:05 What the fuck's going on? He's the last man standing. They don't want anything to do with it now. We need to investigate this. I may have to call a few little birds. And there's no place to contact them. They have their social media outlets here, and it doesn't appear as anything's been updated in a while.
Starting point is 02:24:24 The last updates are from over a year ago saying that things are coming. Pre-order status page. Updated March 5th. 2025. And it says the Remko's are en route. They're shipping soon. The TNAs are shipping in April of 25, and the Ultra Series 2 are shipping April of 25.
Starting point is 02:24:46 They've missed those deadlines, my friends. Oh, I was thinking, I was thinking April. Well, it's solely next month. That was last April. Last April. Yeah. So they haven't updated this page yet. But they updated it to take Magnum and Gagne.
Starting point is 02:25:02 Well, going back to what was sent to, us from social media, once again, Steve Rosenthal responded to something somewhere, and it doesn't clarify where this is from, but he's responding to someone named Marcus. Marcus, no, I am not the sole one involved now. In the best interest of our customers, Power Town is restructuring its management team. A Hasbro executive has joined the team, and we had a Tisbury. a major announcement shortly regarding the internal changes while we've said this multiple times before
Starting point is 02:25:43 all orders will be fulfilled why do you have to say while we've said this multiple time as if it hasn't been over two fucking years since you took everyone's money you know and also it would have been great if he was dictating that he got the auto correct and he said we've we've engaged a has-been executive that would have been good.
Starting point is 02:26:08 I think that's what they're probably doing, trying to find some has-been executive, take the heat for this. So contact Steve Rosenthal, but we don't know how, and Steve comments whenever he feels like. Well, that's the problem, too. Magnum's telling this guy,
Starting point is 02:26:28 I'm not telling you anything. Contact Steve Rosenthal. Magnum could give him the number. Magnum's the one guy who actually has it. He should have said, contact Steve Rosenthal, and here's his email. I'm just wondering, do you think Steve Rosenthal has changed his number if Magnum and Gagneur after him now? Remember, the last time we heard those two guys talk about Rosenthal was, leave Steve Rosenthal alone.
Starting point is 02:26:52 He doesn't have time for all this or he has other things going on. Don't bother Steve. And then Steve doesn't want to bother with them now or they don't want to bother with Steve. Oh, bother. By the way, since that time, every single of. toy company has delivered better and better and better and quicker products. There's only one company still lagging behind everyone, so they're dead. Even if they change the management and all of a sudden deliver the figures that were
Starting point is 02:27:25 supposed to be delivered a couple of years ago, they're dead. No one's going to want to give them money ever again. I don't know who's going to work with them, but I mean, wrestlers will do anything for money. but there's no money. There's no money. They didn't get any money. You don't even get any money. I don't know what happens to the T-shirt money.
Starting point is 02:27:45 And who's the contact now? If Greg Gagne is not there and you are, let's say, the daughter of Eddie Auger and you want to find out where your royalty money is, who's your contact? Who do you contact if it's not Greg Gagne? Mysteries abound, ladies and gentlemen.
Starting point is 02:28:06 Yes. I'm speechless. I'm speechless. We'll find out. We'll try to dig deeper into this and see if we get Steve's home number for everybody. Well, Jim, on the topic of retro figures, let's review some of the latest
Starting point is 02:28:18 that have been put out by some of the finest independent toy makers out there. Let's start with, let me grab this. From Hastel Toys, the official grapplers and gimmicks line, there are two different sergeant slaughterers. One is the 1992 Babyface version. slightly chunkier than he was younger in his career, and he wears a camouflage shirt under his wrestling outfit to hide that a little bit, his last baby-face run
Starting point is 02:28:49 before his retirement, and the other one is a two-pack of Sergeant Slaughter and General Adnan, Adnan L. Casey, in their Iraqi military garb, which creates a weird dynamic when you put your figures out, and one of them is holding an Iraqi flag. but Sergeant Slaughter and General Adnan. I guess my first question is,
Starting point is 02:29:13 were you surprised that Adnan L. Casey made it to the WWF when it happened? I wouldn't know, because remember Chief Billy White Wolf, Vince called the matches when he was a kid, he knew, and also they were always trying to get into that part of the world,
Starting point is 02:29:35 and Adnan Casey behind the scenes had promoted major events in the past and had contacts where he could get stadium shows and shit like that. So Vince already knew him. He'd been partners with Strongbow in a previous incarnation, you know, 20 years before that. And Vince was not only looking at the heat of having a legitimate,
Starting point is 02:30:03 you know, Middle Eastern heel involved in this angle, but also shift that he may possibly be able to do behind the scenes. When I was a kid and they had body slam on HBO like every day of the week, nonstop, when they introduce all the legends at ringside for the big main event, they have Rick Flair, Bruno San Martino, Fred Blassie, and then Sheik Adnan Nal Casey. And I didn't know who he was at the time because I never saw AWA. I was like, who is this?
Starting point is 02:30:33 I know the other Sheik. I know the Iron Sheik and I've read about the original Sheik as he was called in the magazines that I didn't know anything about him yet. You would learn, but here's the why does Sergeant Slaughter the WWF Commissioner get no
Starting point is 02:30:48 love? I loved Sarge doing the commissioner. They was great. He could have the suit jacket and the John Taffer shirt with no tie and everything. They could do one of those. I actually hate him as the commissioner
Starting point is 02:31:04 or whatever. it was. You know why? Because they didn't really give him, he didn't get a run with authority. Right away was Triple H and Sean Michaels making fun of him to his face. So they cut his dick off right away. Yeah. And that's, that was the problem with, with everything that you try to do with those two at that point in time, they couldn't be serious and it just, blah. But, uh, but Sarge did a good job in pre-tapes. That's, that's, that's why. he was easy to produce. That's why I liked it. Once again from Hastel Toys, the grapplers and gimmicks, and the baby face one comes with a removable
Starting point is 02:31:41 hat, removable glasses, removable whistle around the neck, and a removable American flag, which... What about a removable head? I just knocked into the hat and knocked everything over. All right, let's put this down. Jim from our friends, KWK, K-Fabe Heroes, the official K-WK, K-Fabe Heroes line, the tag team of the Orient Express Cato and Tanaka of course Pat Tanaka and Cato being Paul Diamond under a mask after Akiosato retired
Starting point is 02:32:17 So what are your thought Did you see any of the Orient Express when they were a tag team and second question What did you think of bad company? Well I thought bad company was great and remember we had that one match with them for Joe Pizza up in Ohio when we had taken that break from WCW in spring of 89 and we worked a couple of dates in Continental and Brian Hildebrand had got this guy up at
Starting point is 02:32:47 oh it helped me with the town in Ohio was it it was Youngstown's what it was and he booked the match with me in the midnight against bad company Tanaka and Diamond with Dr. Mark Curtis as their manager. I think we did like a $10,000 house, and that was in 1989 when wrestling was still real. They were a great team, easy to work with. Tanaka could work his ass off. Paul Diamond was good, but they got stuck.
Starting point is 02:33:23 And like you said, in that situation, when they had had a Japanese tag team and then one of the guys retires, they didn't have another Japanese guy instead of just bringing diamond in and, you know, repreasing their tag team that they'd had and had success with on other television shows, they put a fucking hood on him
Starting point is 02:33:44 and named him after Bruce Lee and the Green Hornet. So it just, it was mid-card stuff, but they were good guys. And again, these figures I've talked about so far, both Hasdell Toys and KWK are in the Hasbro style, the classic 1990s WWF Hasbro line. You sound like you're doing a goddamn fashion content now here coming down the runway
Starting point is 02:34:07 in the classic Hasbro style. Well, now we'll go to the Gonzo. No, we'll remain with the Hasdell style for the next one. Speaking of tag teams who may have been better in the AWA. I have here the first ever
Starting point is 02:34:25 Beverly Brothers set from TRT title run toys. There's a regular one with their capes and a variant, one of 300. Bo and Blake Beverly, who of course in the AWA were the destruction crew, mean Mike Enos and Wayne the train Bloom. You must have noticed them, I would think, in 89 when they were on top in the AWA, even though the AWA was dying, but what did you think of Enos and Bloom? Well, hold on. Remember, Oh, they came in as the Minnesota wrecking crew too. That's right. Yes. we brought them in because they at that time when they were in the AWA,
Starting point is 02:35:05 Enos and Bloom, destruction crew, they stood out because they were younger and bigger and blonder than most of the AWA talent at the time. They were real green then because they were just starting, but they had potential and size and a look and et cetera. And Flair brought them in. I'm trying to think when did they start?
Starting point is 02:35:31 Did he he got him in there before he actually quit? Yeah, no, it was early 1990, I believe when. Yeah. I think it was like they started like the month before he quit, but at least he got him in there. And, you know, he liked him and we thought we could do something with them. And God, then I've had my own problems to think about later on. I can't remember how long their run lasted.
Starting point is 02:35:54 But something happened to where one of them got hurt. didn't it? And then we just had one member of the team and then it just kind of fizzled. And then they went to work for Vince a year or two later and he made them the Beverly Brothers.
Starting point is 02:36:12 From Shaker Heights, Ohio. Yes, they were from questionable sexual orientation, Pennsylvania is where they were from. Managed by the genius Lanny Pafo. Who many people questioned just on a variety of matters. Well, Jim,
Starting point is 02:36:28 That's another great tag team of the early 90s. Finally, in Hasbro form. The Beverly Brothers from TRT, title run toys. Here's another one from KWK. Hello to Sean Eng over there. I thought of you when I got this, and there are three variants. There's a blue one, a purple one, and the other one's yellow and red A.
Starting point is 02:36:48 Look, it's on the other side. They're all wearing fur coats. So the blue bomber, the purple bomber, and what? Well, that's Gino Moore, the purple bomber. Let's not do that. but they're all wearing fur coats. It's the brand new, the first ever, Flash Funk Hasbro-style figure.
Starting point is 02:37:04 And here he is, these are great. Does it come with a souvenir Rick James CD? Well, that's why I thought of you when I got this, even though you never managed it or did anything with him on TV that I could recall. I think of you would, I think of Flash Funk. I'm telling you, he was the, I guess I can't really in today's climate
Starting point is 02:37:24 call him the Black Sheep of the Funk family, can I? Is that still, that little jocularity still permissible? He was another guy, again, that I was with Vince. I was like, you know, he's been on national TV for past three years or whatever, featured pretty well under another name. Oh, oh, and they dressed him up to be a fucking cross between Stevie Wonder and Rick James, so that's when they did his first dark match so they could look at the outside. outfit on him and everything.
Starting point is 02:37:58 They didn't even have his music ready. So I went out in the car, got my Rick James cassette, and they played that in the truck. And coming out to Love Gun, he got over. But that fucking bad porn soundtrack that they gave him after that wasn't quite as endearing. Yeah, Jim Johnston never really got funk. No, he was, his funk was fucked.
Starting point is 02:38:23 All right, Jim, well, there it is. The new flash funk. Can you imagine Jim Jameson, Jim Jameson? Jim Jameson? I can't imagine him doing any of the. Jim Jameson from Memphis? From I just, I've transposed the names. Poor old Jim Jameson, who did jobs every Saturday morning on Memphis. Can you imagine Jim Johnston singing Rick, girl, if you'd like what you see,
Starting point is 02:38:50 and you want to be with me, baby shoot me with your love gun? he wasn't a very funky person. Neither was Jim Jameson or Ken Raper or any of the other regulars from WMC TV5, Jim. But once again, FlashFunk? Remember Radford Tyndall? I don't. Radford Tyndall in 1977.
Starting point is 02:39:10 He was a very highly thought of job guy. What happened to him? 78 came around. Well, once again, these Flash Funk figures, the hats removable, the chains removable, the crucifix. What about a giant dong? Is that removable also?
Starting point is 02:39:28 There's no giant dong, but these are very, these came out really, really great. A couple more here, Jim. One of the best figures I've seen. I love this one. It says not a toy, not intended for children. It's an adult collectible, not a toy, but from our friends at Latuni,
Starting point is 02:39:47 the wrestling giant series in the LJN 1980s rubber figure style. macho man Randy Savage from the toy commercial holding open his cape his robe, well it wasn't really a robe, it was a cape and having all of his toy figures inside of it this is a fucking masterpiece
Starting point is 02:40:11 so now there's there's toy figures inside the cape of the toy figure hanging off the toy figure yes well that's just incredible that's like a coffee table book that turns into a coffee table This is, again, this is a masterpiece. This is just so well done. From Latuny, I'm not going to plug him too much,
Starting point is 02:40:30 because it's going to be sold out any minute now. I already know that. Well, something like that. You can't expect it not to be. But great job, AJ and everyone over at Latuny. And finally, Jim, again, just winners all abound today. From Zombie Sailor, the long-awaited pinnacle collection. These were there, I guess for scale purposes,
Starting point is 02:40:51 Mattel size WWF figures and their first set is Brian Pilman Jeff Jarrett, King Kong Bundy, and Abdullah the butcher. I got the Brian Pilman right here. It comes with...
Starting point is 02:41:07 Quite an exotic lineup there. I'm not sure if I'm detecting a theme, but all great names in their own right. I believe the theme is, who can we get a license for? And that's the theme of series one, but these came out. really, really great. The Brian Pilman is
Starting point is 02:41:24 summer of 96, Brian Pilman comes with a cane, his weird glasses, a gun, crutches, and he's wearing his rogue horseman design shirt. This looks incredible. And when you squeeze it, it says, Mother, no! I don't know about that, but that's a story I won't be telling on the air, but it cracked me up. King Kong Bundy here and you have the option to give him the five count. Now this King Kong Bundy is interesting.
Starting point is 02:41:58 WWE put out with Mattel their version of King Kong Bundy and all this one, body-wise is more like King Kong Bundy. The WW one had no eyebrows. This is a King Kong Bundy with eyebrows. Do you think that's what killed his run in 95? Was the eyebrows? He didn't look the same coming back with eyebrows. Well, there was the original Bundy had that element of hairless
Starting point is 02:42:26 Kingpin type of fucking menace, right? Well, what the fuck? This guy sees, Godday, he just ain't right. But then if you got eyebrows, you're just, you're a fat guy with eyebrows, aren't you? Well, it didn't work for him. I think when he looks more like a giant egg. Yes. I think that is kind of the classic King Kong Bundy.
Starting point is 02:42:49 look, if you see him in Dallas before he got the haircut, it doesn't look right. Oh, good Lord, yes. Well, remember I was watching Georgia TV when they announced the pending arrival of 400-pound newcomer, newcomer, 400-pound newcomer, crippler Chris Canyon, a lot of alliteration there.
Starting point is 02:43:11 That was his original name. And the hair, no, he looks like a goddamn giant stockbroker that's been, parade float's been made of him. And at his most imposing and most not popular, he was a heel, but when he was the most well known in the 80s, no eyebrows.
Starting point is 02:43:30 Completely hairless. He even shaved his balls. Just added to the overall ambiance. But when he came back, he had eyebrows. He didn't look as imposing when all of a sudden he has these giant, thick, Bull curry eyebrows. Yeah, and he quit shaving his balls, too.
Starting point is 02:43:45 Well, this Kink Kong Bundy looks really good. I don't know anything about that, does Jim, you have the option to replace his hand and do the five count. What are your thoughts on the five count? I don't know what I want to do with Bundy's hand, whether I want to leave it in the package or have it give the five knuckle shuffle. Five count, Jim. What are your thoughts on the five counts?
Starting point is 02:44:05 Five count. Well, I can count to five. Would you like to hear me? One, two, three, uh, four, five. Hey.
Starting point is 02:44:19 Actually, you heard about the kid that was in class in second grade, right? And teacher said, little Johnny, what's two plus two? He held up his right hand, two fingers, and he held up his left hand two fingers. He said, four. And she said, well, what's three plus three? He held up his right hand three fingers. He held up his left hand three fingers. He said, six.
Starting point is 02:44:42 And she said, Johnny, you're cheating. Put your hands in your pockets. Now, what's five plus five? And he said, 11. Jim, once again, King Kong Bundy famously did a five count, and something that distinguished him from other wrestlers,
Starting point is 02:45:00 although he didn't do it when he beat S.D. Jones at WrestleMania in the quickest match they said ever. But what are your thoughts on that five count? The Safe for Home Listening five counts. I like the five count. Well, it was a good heel move. because he only he beat the guy not just for a three count like everybody else but the big five count he made the referee go no two more he wouldn't get up
Starting point is 02:45:28 and the guy underneath he was like jesus christ or him count get him off of me also part of that this king cong bundy looks great also part of the pinnacle set is jeff jarrett i'd say 1995 jeff jarratt double jay era with his hat and all his other stuff and then another another one that looks great. Abdullah the butcher. You could have his fork in his mouth or you could have him hold the fork. There's a bloody head where his tongue is sticking out.
Starting point is 02:45:56 There's a headdress that he could come to the ring in. Abdullah the butcher in figure form, Jim. What are your thoughts? Well, and I understand you can also, if you set him on your desk, you can stick business cards in his gig marks. So it's like a little card holder. And has a button here that makes them say,
Starting point is 02:46:16 fuck you, Devin Nicholson. But the new Abdulah the butcher figure from Zombie Saylor, where they did a great job with the Pinnacle series. Unlike Powertown, who doesn't deliver toys, everyone else delivers great stuff and everyone's doing great stuff. And of course, if you want some great Jim Cornett and the Midnight Express Action Figures, they are available right now at Cornett's collectibles at Jim Cornett.com.
Starting point is 02:46:41 Well, of course, Jim, after getting all these wrestling figures and all the time you spend hiding the bill from your wife, you're probably tired. You probably need to lay down and you probably need a good night's rest, and we, of course, have a wonderful friend we can tell the listeners about with a wonderful mattress. Or if your wife finds the bill, then you may need a soft place to land. Either way, ladies and gentlemen, the Helix Sleep mattress, I'm about to get another one because I have enjoyed my pre-year-year-old. previous one so long that I've I've got like that that Norman Bates kind of motherfucking groove in it where I have my favorite place is it's I'm going for another one because I would not lay my weary bones down in anything other than a helix mattress. The helix sleep quiz matches you with the perfect mattress based on your personal preferences and sleep needs. How do you like to sleep your side, your back? Who do you like to sleep with?
Starting point is 02:47:39 They can say, you're blonde, redhead. There's a special combo pack where they'll send you a person. Not part of the survey. You can lay down with it. It's well, cuddling only. Anything extra is between consenting adults. Cuddling is recommended, but they do not supply you with a cuddler. Let's just specify that here and not promise things that they can't deliver on.
Starting point is 02:47:58 They have asked us not to do that, Jim. Well, that model may be out of stock. But they deliver the mattress at least right to your door, free shipping in the United States. It's the happy with Helix guarantee, the risk-free customer-first experience designed to ensure you're completely satisfied with your new mattress and or new cuddler when they come back in stock. 120-night sleep trial. They have upped this. It didn't used to be at least be like 100 nights.
Starting point is 02:48:27 Now it's a 120-night sleep trial, limited lifetime warranty. And 82% of those involved, Brian, in an official study, some of the time. an increase in their deep sleep cycle while sleeping on a helix mattress. And they've got that new model now that it's the mirror model. Because when you lay down on the thing, you go to sleep so deep that everything slows down that every once in a while your wife can come in and punch the button and a mirror comes out and sticks in front of your mouth to see whether you're still breathing. That's how deep asleep that you're going to be on a helix mattress.
Starting point is 02:49:04 A deep asleep, that's a wonderful idea, almost like Kurt Vonnegut wrote it, but that will not be one of the featured models offered by Helix. Of course, they, beyond comedy, have wonderful mattresses. We have them here in my house. We have them here in my house, and I know you have them there. You're about to get another one. We love our Helix, and we think the listeners will love the Helix mattresses that are actually on their website, Jim.
Starting point is 02:49:30 Well, and act now, because apparently they're all selling out as fast as they can put them on sales already. You're not going to be able to get a cuddle buddy. Already you're not going to be able to get a mirror in front of your mouth. What's going to go next? Go right now to helix sleep.com slash JCE, and you're going to get 20% offsidewide is what you're going to do. And that's exclusive for our dear cult of Cornett members, but if you want to sleep to sleep with a comatose,
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Starting point is 02:50:46 slash JCE, but, Jim, before we get out of here this week, let's wake up and go back to something we started a couple weeks ago. A watch-along, we started with a review of your famous promo early 93, WCW, and now we're going to have the watch-along of the corresponding match. Well, and that was, of course, when the heavenly bodies in Smoky Mountain Wrestling invaded WCW, and as you said, we did do a review and listen along or whatever you might say of the promo that set everything up. And I want to make mention, here's a clarification on the audio situation, because that's the promo that TBS edited after Watts and I did it. and Watts was the only one who really knew what I was going to say, but he knew,
Starting point is 02:51:40 and they went behind his back and didn't tell him they edited it, with about suing TBS and hating Jim heard, etc. And the, the unedited audio is out there. I couldn't remember the chain of events, but basically the listeners have straightened me out. When it aired on TBS in the segment's entirety, the audio was muted. on those particular incidents that we talked about.
Starting point is 02:52:11 But when WCW sent me the tape to play on Smoky Mountain Wrestling, the audio was in there. However, because it was a 12-minute segment, and we had left like seven or eight minutes to put it in a down and dirty with Dutch Mantell segment, our Smoggy Mountain Wrestling clip was edited, just for time. We cut out some of the,
Starting point is 02:52:40 you know, we tightened it up as best we could and still left the meaning. So in Smoky Mountain Wrestling Television, you got the edited clip with the real audio on WCW television. You got the unedited segment,
Starting point is 02:52:57 but with audio lines muted. Is that clear? Yes, it's clear that you were lied to by WCW, and they said that it was some sort of boom mic issue, that they didn't capture the audio, yes. Well, yeah, yes, yes. Well, and I'd already known that when I heard it here. But nevertheless, so that's where the various versions of this thing are floating around.
Starting point is 02:53:18 And the one, if there's a down and dirty with Dutch logo in the video, then that means that it's the unedited audio from Smoggy Mountain Wrestling. But nevertheless, so what we did on that clip, which if you missed it, you want to go to YouTube and prep for this. or whatever, it's the, what's it titled, Jim Cornett confronts Bill Watts, 1999 WCW, or Jim Cornett reviews his 1993 WCW promo confronting Bill Watts. Something of that nature.
Starting point is 02:53:54 And we had established that, look, everybody knew, everybody knew who we were. If they'd been watching the WCW program for more than two years, knew who the Rock and Roll Express was. And they knew who Jim Cornett and the Midnight Express was. They weren't up on Tom Pritchard and the team of the heavenly bodies yet, but they knew a lot of these people. And if we had just come out, if they had just announced, hey, Jim Cornett and Stan Lane are going to be back next week.
Starting point is 02:54:30 And they got a new partner. And they're going to be with Bobby Eaton and we're going to have a match with the Rock of Roll Express. And they gave it 20 minutes. and we had a great match. Everybody go, wow, that was just swell. But that wouldn't have meant anything. And part of the deal of this was this was a business deal that I made with Bill Watts to show him
Starting point is 02:54:49 that I could generate more revenue for his company than these goofy promotional videos that Turner Home Entertainment was doing for the pay-per-views. Remember the one where the midget blew up the boat and they went to the Antarctic to find, Vader or whatever the fuck was going on. That was actually the specific one for the pay-per-view that you guys were technically building up here. Yes, and I told him when we had... Yeah, but I told him when we had the meeting, I said,
Starting point is 02:55:21 Turner Home Entertainment has been spent a 50 grand on making these fucking stupid promotional videos for the wrestling pay-per-view that have nothing to do with wrestling and ain't drawing you a dime. for half of that, I will construct you and deliver you an angle that will boost the fucking buy rates of your pay-per-view
Starting point is 02:55:42 and make the live event in Asheville, North Carolina, more attractive. And that's what we did. The boys all got a thousand bucks a piece for work in the show, plus $200 for any TV tapings they made, which was,
Starting point is 02:55:58 now that we had established that, again the thought was a couple of times a year maybe we do something like a little crossover when I can construct something it might be of value to watch and it gets my guys more payoffs and TV exposure and that causes more people to want to come to work to Smoky Mountain wrestling and as well it gives him access to other talent that he doesn't have to commit to in terms of a full-time contract and a weekly salary when he's already got guys that he's paying too much money to. So that was the idea. So the boys get paid and Smoky Mountain wrestling gets 25 grand, basically for my fucking angle, for the cooperation of the company,
Starting point is 02:56:49 for all the necessary video and et cetera, because he knew we had bills to pay. And we're trying to do a little deal where everybody gets a little something out of this. So we did the interview to reestablish everyone. Even if you know who they are, where they've been lately. We set up what our grief, why we left, why we've come back now, what our grievance is, who were and what we're mad about, what we intend to do about it, God damn it. and then Bill Watts as a representative of WCW has come out and rebutted all this and say,
Starting point is 02:57:30 you know what, if you guys want to settle this thing, well, there's a ring, we can do it right here right now. Now, at that point, again, we've got a 12-minute segment in five or six minutes
Starting point is 02:57:42 has been setting this thing up and drawing the people into the story, which, as you've heard from the reaction from the people at center stage, they were fucking into it. And Brian, you were watching more at WCW at this point than I was. This was at the time where even the people at center stage were starting to nod off at some points. Was it, to be quite honest, right? You look back and you see all these stars that are there and you're like, it must have been great.
Starting point is 02:58:08 And even when you watch it now, some of that stuff, it's better than maybe it felt at the time, but at the time it felt really stale. This is coming out of Halloween havoc. Jake Roberts was in the main event. Then he was gone. so now one of the main eventers who was suddenly a main eventer for a couple months
Starting point is 02:58:23 right away he's gone the Medusa Pauli thing they'd been building up that was gone Medusa was gone and Pauli were both gone it was just it was a weird period of time
Starting point is 02:58:35 where you know the Japanese wrestlers they were using I never liked Masacchono and Masacchono was on that show a lot and I thought he was boring
Starting point is 02:58:43 they started pushing Eric Watts and that really didn't work and it wasn't just We talked about it last time. The angle in the, at the gas station, where he put the STF on Arne Anderson was one of the more ridiculous things of all time. There were small little blips of maybe this could work.
Starting point is 02:59:07 Pillman and Austin were together. They weren't yet the Hollywood blondes. Shane Douglas and Ricky Steamboat was better than things had been. we also had Sting and Vader, which was still kind of a big thing. Cactus Jack had yet to turn baby face, but it was kind of bubbling. But there was all kinds of talent there again,
Starting point is 02:59:32 but the television had gone somewhat stale and center stage in a lot of cases in those days was free babysitting for, you know, people, oh, here the kids can go over, they can walk, or they live downtown, whatever, and the diehards, and they're kind of sitting there, la, la, la, la, and we lit them up a little bit. And again, too, in terms of this actual show,
Starting point is 02:59:56 the longstanding TBS 605 show, there was a rebranding in, I think, the spring of 92, where all of a sudden it became this, WCW Saturday night, but originally, it was Jim Ross and a guest co-host in the, the ring in front of the fans hosting it, and then playing videos of other things taped in center stage.
Starting point is 03:00:20 They had him and Bill Freelich, I remember, hosting it. And again, there was good stuff. Barry Windham and Steve Austin, two out of three falls, was good stuff. But it feels like the beginning of the Watts era was a lot of good stuff. And then by the end of it, most of the guys from the beginning were either gone or not used during that time to the best, I mean, the Steiner's were gone. Gordy and Williams, who had been getting this big push against the Stein, they were gone. Everyone was gone.
Starting point is 03:00:53 And then you guys came in. And for someone watching the show regularly, it was like, oh my God, Jim Cornett's on the show again. Stan Lane's on the show again. Will the Midnight Express get back together? It gave you something to look forward to with the show. I really marked out when they started playing Smoky Mountain footage, which was the first time I got to see like live action Smoky Mountain footage on the show and it was one of the more exciting things. Things were starting to feel like, hey, maybe it's going to get better.
Starting point is 03:01:23 Flares coming back. Flares coming back. Jim Cornett's on the show. Maybe things are getting better. And no, they didn't. Well, by Cracking, you, TBS was going to have none of that. Summer of 93 was brutal. The Coltins. The Kongs.
Starting point is 03:01:39 But nevertheless, back to them. Before we bury them for the summer, let's be. bearing for what they did this. So the point is we finished this interview, right? The challenge has been made and we've reluctantly accepted. And now we're halfway through our segment. Again, we could have gone out there and had a 15 or 20 minute great match and us win or them win.
Starting point is 03:02:03 And we've started and finished something in the same fucking TV. The idea was not to go out and have a great match. The idea was to go out and have a great match. what I used to call a movie trailer. We're going to have five minutes of a goddamn great match, a little highlight film, if you will, as a trailer to get you to want to see the fucking whole match. And then you do the angle at the end
Starting point is 03:02:31 where the heels get to eat on the baby faces, and that furthers it. So then they announced the following week. Watts could come out and say, I've worked with Smoggy Mountain Wrestling Commissioner Bullitt Bob Armstrong, former Georgia wrestling great, and he is as incensed about this as I am, and we're going to force the heavily bodies to come back and defend the Smoky Mountain Tag Team Championship against the Rock and Roll Express at Super Brawl 93.
Starting point is 03:03:01 And then you have, you've showed the fans the trailer of the movie, and now you've told them where they're going to get to see the movie. So again, the idea was to give them a taste of what is going on. You've got two minutes where you're going to just fucking sprint through some shit and shine the baby faces and keep the fight and the energy up. And then you're going to cut fucking Riggie Morton off. And you're going to make himself for just a soups-on. So they get the idea that he gets the hot tag.
Starting point is 03:03:36 Nobody's doing any of their finishing maneuvers or any big. heavy maneuvers that would cause anybody to have to sell because we don't want to slow it down. So this is hip tosses and punches and body slams and running spots and wrestling where everybody's selling and reacting to what's going on, but still keeping the pace up and switching in and out. And almost none of this match had to be called beforehand because these guys, they were already working with each other and they worked with each other 15 million times so really we just had the okay we'll get started boom boom boom maybe a spot or two that had been talked about beforehand we had the heat spot and then on the finish as soon as the rock and roll hit the double
Starting point is 03:04:30 drop kick there's panic mode and that's where goddamn we have to cause the disqualification and start kicking a shit out of them and get the heat. Because once the double drop kick hits, as everyone knows, you're fucked. And then when the people are trying to come out and help them and we're playing King of the Hill, to be honest, the only part I didn't like about what aired was we were at our 12 minutes of my God, the guys are trying to get in the ring and save them and we're knocking them off. And they went to black, they went to break very, very. quickly in that.
Starting point is 03:05:09 I would have let it breathe a little longer and seen it, but Rob Van Dam, I believe, as a matter of fact, is one of the young job guys trying to get in and save rigging Robert. That's a little trivia note. He was Robbie V in WCW, 93. And I think he gets, he's one of the people that gets whacked.
Starting point is 03:05:28 But that's the idea is that you go in and you keep the people up, you keep their fucking energy, you show them as the Rock and Roll Express still has it. and then you cheat and get Ricky down and try to do bad things to him until they're hooked into that. And then when Robert gets the tag, oh, my God, thank God. And then you do your angle. And then they're ready to see the fuck.
Starting point is 03:05:55 They're ready to pay to see what used to be the old, the house show. And now is the pay-per-view where they're going to get the whole match and what's going to happen. on a line and a blah, blah, blah. This is not fucking revolutionary thinking. This is wrestling 101. But you've got to take that logic, and you've got to put it together with people that the fans are going to care about positively and or negatively.
Starting point is 03:06:27 And then you have to explain to people at the start of the thing, even if the talent is over, specifically what their grievance is with each other, why they're fucking mad, and who wants to do what about what? But once you fucking set all that up, then it makes sense that everybody's on board with it. And then you can have your great match.
Starting point is 03:06:55 Is that, have I just had some kind of revelatory, you know, moment for some of the younger genre of fans these days where they just say, oh, let's have a great match. Well, it always goes back to the argument. What is a great match and what does it accomplish? The fan's reaction is certainly one of the big barometers you go look at, and they are as hot as can be here.
Starting point is 03:07:22 The Rock and Roll Express hadn't been on this show in a few years, but the fans remembered them. They remembered you. Obviously, the new Bobby, they remembered Stan. I don't know if they knew who the curly-haired guy was who was itching his head all the time, but that's why we told him. and that's why we refreshed everybody that may have just come along actually they'd lost more viewers than they'd gained in the previous two years
Starting point is 03:07:44 but we refreshed everybody on what the fucking deal was so they'd all be up to speed and now let's watch them fight well now let's watch them fight let's start our watch along and once again Jim the video on YouTube the user who uploaded it JSGTV it is WCW's Saturday night, February 6, 1993, or as it is here officially, 0206, 1993, full show, 1080I, good quality. We're not going to do what we usually have done in the past with a watch along where we all
Starting point is 03:08:22 sink up at the bell ringing because the action's already taking place. We're going to this video, and we are going approximately 27 minutes and 29 seconds into the video. so once again go to YouTube and look for this video WCW Saturday night 2.693 full show 27 minutes and 29 seconds into it this is right after one of the points where Jim was censored
Starting point is 03:08:46 and you hear Bill Watts reference Knoxville by saying nobody knows and nobody cares so we're pausing right after the word cares are you ready on your end Jim I am my end is ready so again we're going to start with the tail end of the confrontation,
Starting point is 03:09:07 and then we will go right into the ring with Jim calling the action. But I'll say, what, that ring? And I'll tell you, if you guys want to get your tails out there, we'll let you settle. Why don't you get that ring and hook them out? They're ready. And see, now the heels didn't expect this,
Starting point is 03:09:45 and we're not quite so braggadocious now. But look at the people. We've talked them into it in five minutes. They're like, yeah, they've already got the rock and roll going, so that stands taking his watch off. Tom's glasses, Bobby's stripping down, which of the two is going to go. And then JR did a brilliant job with this. And you can hear underneath, and I encourage you to go back and listen to him all the way through.
Starting point is 03:10:08 He's selling like an auctioneer, but here we go. That's what they want to see. A fucking fight. But now, as I mentioned, these guys have been having so many matches for so long. They can go into these spots without having to call things, because if you're in the right place, They know what's coming up. Boom, double knockout. Let's get the fuck out of there.
Starting point is 03:10:33 Let's let the rock and roll fire up. And now Tom and Ricky have a couple of spots that they've been doing. In the regular fucking matches they've been having, boom, they just keep the intensity up and the aggression. And you've got to show the people that to rock and roll still have it all. But Tom has to get over in some description because he's the new guy. He's the one they're not used to see him. And again, Tom and Ricky used to love to do these cross-up spots. Nobody's taking any goddamn bumps through a table.
Starting point is 03:11:15 You can sell, react, and then keep moving. Now, let's see some Rock and Roll Express teamwork. Boom. And Larry Zabisco's on color also, and he's even wheezing. See, now Stan, same thing. They just go naturally right into all the shit that they normally fucking do. Nobody has to stand there and keep an eye out. Who shouldn't have had fucking tennis shoes on for that spot, but nevertheless.
Starting point is 03:11:49 The old flying head scissors that no baby faces do anymore. Well, let's get a Hurricane Rana from Ricky. Everybody's in the right place. Nobody's falling all over each other's legs. Nobody's getting crossed up. They know where to go, where to feed, so that nobody gets in the way. People are cheering for everything.
Starting point is 03:12:20 And that's about now, I believe I'm giving them a little fucking Iggy because of the time factor. I always kept a small watch on my wrist that I could keep crack of so I knew what time we were on in television and pay-per-view. So this is probably the last spot they're going to do before we cut them off. Oh, shit. duck, wait a minute, what the fuck happened? Oh my God. And now Bobby and takes me out. Boom. They bumped Cornette. Okay, now we got to get some heat. In the ring, Ricky goes for the
Starting point is 03:12:55 fucking roll up. Boom. I'm consoling Bobby. There comes Ricky. And we got him again. And here we go. Boom. Oh, I forgot. We crossed it. up second time. Where's he going? Aha, the catapult. Remember the over-the-top rope rule? That would have been a disqualification, but the referee didn't see it.
Starting point is 03:13:30 Now Bobby picks him up, shot to the throat. And now, as Dennis Condrey would have said, we made him laugh and then we made him mad because we made him quit laughing. And now it's time to beat Ricky up a little bit. But do you see the pace been mad? naturally has to slow down because we have taken it out we wanted the people standing and applauding and screaming and laughing and now we want them standing and
Starting point is 03:13:59 looting for the fucking guy that we're kicking a shit out of but this is going to be a slower pace because the heat has to be slower it's not supposed to be as exciting it's supposed to get sympathy and again here since it's stand and Tom, because that's the team we got to get over there, showing some of their teamwork moves, but this is nothing that... You know anybody needs to goddamn lay dead over? And he gives who the chance to work the people, because they're still chanting rock and roll, rock and roll.
Starting point is 03:14:41 You guys have had the fans up the entire time. What are your thoughts on referee Randy Atkins? Oh, Randy was... He was... that wasn't red it was class name an ackins what was the name god damn it now i've seen him the 35 years he's a nice guy is what my thoughts were you're going to back to the heels double the double fucking flying there and a double throttle choke that's a heel fucking move right teams currently campaigning in the smoky mountain area who stand showing he's he's actually motivated here mike actons excuse me Mike
Starting point is 03:15:20 Atkins. That's right. It's Randy Anderson and Mike Atkins. Okay. And there was, Tom was trying to tell Stan something. Ricky put the brakes on because he didn't get it. Here we go. Now it's time. Boom. For Riggied have a little hope spot. Now listen to the people. Can he get it? Can he make the tag to Robert Gibson? Dan gets the tag. And Reggie Rowe. Oh, shit. And hoots halfway through the ropes when he gets the tag, but nevertheless. Nice little comeback. And boom, there we go.
Starting point is 03:16:02 Old Mike Adkins almost saw the over the top, but he turned in the nick of time. The Riggies still alive. And here we go. Double drop kick. Boom. There's the pop and there's Bobby for the disqualification because we know Tom is dead. And now we're going to kick the shit out of these assholes and listen to the people. Four men against two.
Starting point is 03:16:33 I've got the referee blocked off. Begomatic with the racket across the chest. Now you're going to sell, motherfucker, because now he can stay down. Get him out of the way. Boom! See you, who. And then the idea is to play King of the Hill with these people. Listen to the fans.
Starting point is 03:16:58 you create more fucking urgency you create more sense of fucking danger when all these people are trying to get in this fucking ring to help this fucking guy and see they went to black too quick but at the end of the thing obviously that's the thing they come up when oh my God Ricky's alone four guys and a fucking
Starting point is 03:17:22 blunt instrument his partner's been laid out on the floor the referee is taken out that's where you start to get heat in the old days in a house show where you had unlimited time, that's where you'd get people coming in the fucking ring to try to help because all else had failed. That's kind of heat you want to bring it back on pay-per-view.
Starting point is 03:17:48 Well, there it is. The Heavenly Bodies and the Rocket Roll Express, a unique feud, one that went to three different promotions in 1993. At some point, we may need to do Survivor Series. is 93 as a watch along because that's a unique. Oh God, I haven't watched that since we did it. If we could change the soundtrack, because we had a match that would blow away what you just saw
Starting point is 03:18:11 and the people were sitting there going, what the fuck is going on here? But it was, that's why I always said that crowd in center stage, if you'd have brought Doink the Clown and his little dinks out, they'd have been sitting there going, what the fuck is going on here? It was the differences in the way the audiences were trained. One of my big memories of watching WCW during this period of time was
Starting point is 03:18:36 because it was a local Atlanta song, the fans would chant at different times, whoop, there it is. But I didn't know what they were saying because that wasn't a national hit yet. What the hell are they saying? Whoop, man, it didn't sound, like, if you don't know what it is, it doesn't sound like what it is. I couldn't figure out for the life of me what they were saying.
Starting point is 03:18:57 And why? A lot of that, the whip that trick thing comes from Memphis from their, I think it's the basketball program. And a lot of people don't know. They think they put the card before the horse, the hoodat with the New Orleans Saints. The hoodat didn't start with the Saints and go to Y.D. It started with Junkyard Dog in the downtown auditorium and went to the fucking football team or whatever. but the locals sometimes you know especially when you get a regular weekly crowd and it's all locals they would come out with shit that was local there before it would become national and people would know
Starting point is 03:19:40 what the fuck was going on but anyway having said that that's what we try to do and that's what we executed there was come out and do a 12-minute segment half talking half in the ring to get people reintroduced to the people involved, get them into the fucking angle, the why we were mad, the whole nine yards, the reasoning behind it, and then give them a taste of the match so that they would want to see the whole thing
Starting point is 03:20:17 on pay-per-view in Asheville, North Carolina, which I think the Rock and Roll Express and Benet Express was the last time that Asheville had been sold out for wrestling at that point in time. so it's like we weren't going to take it to Boston. I wouldn't have pitched that one. But if that is how you tailor,
Starting point is 03:20:39 even if you've got the talent that might be interesting, or even if you've got, hey, I got a great angle in my mind, you have to have the talent with the proper angle to go to the proper venue where it makes fucking difference. That's all I'm saying. And that's all we're saying. with that the drive-through is closed bad ending. Oh, that was sour.
Starting point is 03:21:08 Bad ending, even I admit it. I don't know that you've upgraded anything. I was hoping to hit one note that sounded right. Just one, just one note. Just one. Just hit one note. Nope. That was a ransom note.
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