Jim Cornette’s Drive-Thru - Episode 438

Episode Date: April 12, 2026

This week on the Drive Thru, Jim reviews WWE Raw, and talks about TKO's involvement in WWE creative, Flying Fred Curry, Ric Flair being mad at WWE again, the Vince McMahon / Paul Levesque dynamic, PowerTown, Alberto Del Rio, and much more! Plus Jim previews WrestleMania, and plays Guess The Program! Thanks to our episode sponsors: HELIX:  Go to helixsleep.com/jce for 20% off sitewide during their Spring Savings Event! RIDGE:  Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code JCE at https://www.Ridge.com/jce #Ridgepod RAYCON:  Celebrate the moms in your life! Go to buyraycon.com/JCE to get 15% off the Everyday Earbuds Classic. FACTOR:  Head to Factormeals.com/jce50off and use code JCE50OFF to get 50 percent off and free daily greens per box, with a new subscription. Send in your question for the Drive-Thru to: [e-mail]  Follow Jim and Brian on Twitter: @TheJimCornette @GreatBrianLast Merch! https://arcadianvanguard.com/ Join Jim Cornette's College Of Wrestling Knowledge on Patreon to access the archives & more! https://www.patreon.com/Cornette Subscribe to the Official Jim Cornette channel on YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/c/OfficialJimCornette Visit Jim's official site at www.JimCornette.com for merch, live dates, commentaries and more! You can listen to Brian on the 6:05 Superpodcast at 605pod.com or wherever you find your favorite podcasts!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

again, friends. I'll roll back over here. And you are our friends and welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornett's drive-through, the home of Jim Cornett. And of course, everyone's favorite jingle. I live here now? Everyone's favorite jingle, the theme to the great Brian last. I'm the great Brian last. I have your questions. I have the pressure of making Jim Review raw. There's so many things we have with this man, the leader of the cult of Cornette. We're having fun today, folks. Mr. Jim Cornett. You have just a variety of ways to fuck that entrance up or intro up is what you did. You started in a moderate tempo fashion where you were actually,

it sounded like you were trying to do the best you could to hit the proper notes. And then as soon as you hit the sour one, it just, then it was all over the page. It was like a souped up in a gotta devon meth. I don't think so. I think that's the usual, and that's the original fast-paced theme. And then we later decided to introduce some of the parts for the extended version. And that's what...

There were no sour notes. There were no sour notes. That was the disco single extended version. Your singing's like the sour belches. Oh, come on now. Everybody knows what I can do with a tune. I make people happy all over the world with this music. yeah when it stops

everybody I bring joy with my mollifluous tones with a way that I can bend a note to suit my will but yet you're just You bend it over right you bend over that note

I fucking give it to me I bend that note over and I give it what for I'll tell you that well what are we here for oh this is your show today the drive-thru that's right

where you get to should I talk or we just want to drum. We could do it together at the same time. See, I'm trying to be a lively radio program host here, and I've got my notes, and I'm

excited to be here, and I'm emphasizing things, and you're worried about your dead gum audio. Did the greats of radio, did Wolfman Jack worry about his audio, or did he just go out there and howl, baby? See, that's what, that's where.

you got to think about the content, not the dagum box it's wrapped up in. That's why I'm here. And I have, as a matter of fact, the communication to both of us from a member of the Colt of Cornett has just come across my desk here at the Castle Cornett Command Center. And we have a nomination, Brian, for the worst person in the world. I cannot believe what I've heard from Penny. Penny over in West London, UK. I guess there would be a north and a south and an east London then, right?

How big is London? They got to just parcel it out with directions like that. Anyway, do you want to know who the worst person in the world is, Brian? Coming from Penny, I have no idea, no. Her hubby, Polly. And her last name is not Heyman. This is P-A-U-L-Y. Her hubby, Pauley, she describes him as a gorgeous hubby, but listen to this.

April 6th is my birthday. And last year for my 50th birthday, my gorgeous hubby asked me what I'd like for my president. The answer was simple. A very happy birthday message from Jim and Brian. That's what I'd like. And he said okay, and it was never mentioned again. And for the next three to four weeks, every drive-through, every experience, I anxiously awaited and prayed for my message. But after a month with nothing, I was in the shower listening to a show when said hubby came in.

Now I think I know why he's upset because she listens to us in the shower. That would engender some feelings of jealousy, don't you think? Yeah, it depends how she uses the lufa. I mean, I don't know what's going on. Well, I think there's a fair amount of blue thing going on when we're talking. A lot of soap. But he's, he lost. I asked him, when did you message Jim or Brian about my birthday request?

He just looked at me and said, Jim doesn't do requests. And I asked, did you even try? And he said, no. I was heartbroken. I never asked for anything. and the one thing I did ask for he didn't even try. So as the saying goes, if you want something done properly, do it yourself. Like I've been doing in the shower.

No, she didn't say that. So for this year, I don't mind how late. What? Can you please wish me a happy birthday and also rip my fucking dopey, gorgeous dip shit of a hubby, a new one? The more swear words, the better. Well, listen here. Mr. Fuckety McFuck-Fuck-Fuck-Face? Yo, Paulie.

Yo, Paulie! You, fuck-face, come over here. What are you doing? Your knucklehead. She's in the shower listening to us for a reason. She's saying you're gorgeous. But maybe you're... So obviously she's blind?

Well, I'm thinking he's all showing no go. Oh. See, he's just, he's one of these pretty boys on the bill. board rather than taking care of her showering needs. You should leave him. Well, yes, she should, but she should move to East London. The guys over there know what the fuck's going on. Jim doesn't take requests.

Unlike Wolfman Jack, Jim doesn't take requests. Well, this is half the show that we've been doing here for 10 years now, is just calling out to various members of the cult and wishing them either good or ill, depending on the situation. Can you imagine what she feels? She's waiting to listen to hear us mention her. All she hears is us talk about dogs and cats

and all sorts of other things. Well, at least she didn't die, because imagine if she had died and was sitting there waiting to listen for us to talk about her. That would be when we were only talking about dogs and cats and things. It'd be terrible. How long do you think an average person after they die should wait for their favorite podcast to talk about? I don't know how to answer this.

I don't know. But I think Pauly should be a little more respectful, considering it's not easy to find a girl who wants to listen to this podcast with you. So come on. Well, no, she didn't say she's doing it with him. She's doing it in the shower, probably to get away from him. because he's an asshole and won't even send a email to somebody. Hey, well, you wish my wife a happy birthday? He didn't even make the barest of effort, the most, just slightest of movement and energy expense.

What did you say? I asked him to do it, and that was the last I heard of it. Well, it was never mentioned it. Well, yeah, exactly, until now. Now he's never going to hear the end of it. but that's the thing is you wouldn't keep reminding someone of something that they want for their birthday if you're going to get them for it. You know what I'm saying. Get them that thing there.

So you wouldn't bring it up. So one would think if one was the birthday recipient that, oh, he hadn't said anything. I bet he's going to surprise me and surprise. So there you go, Penny. Happy birthday. Happy birthday. And you're worth much more than a penny. All right, speaking of things that are worth more than a penny, Brian, and I'll turn your show over to you so we can begin.

But on the last episode we did of the experience, I said we were doing it right before the ring-worn and ring-used gear sale that I had going on at Jimcornet.com, so I couldn't give an update. I can now give an update. Thank you, everybody, for participating. if you didn't get anything by now, well, thank everybody that participated. I think I got a couple pairs of pants left, but it happened quite quickly. So if you did order something,

we are going to convene. This is two days after the sale or whatever. Hotchkiss and I are convening over the weekend to start this process because there's a lot of handwritten letters to write and various things to do to make sure we pack all this stuff up good because it was high dollar

merchandise and we're not just going to send it out in a fucking bubble mailer or whatever. But anyway, you will be getting notified via email very soon when your orders are starting to go out. But there's all kinds of stuff left on sale, especially if you want to get into my pants, but books and shirts and DVDs

and pictures and all that variety of things. Jim Cornett.com. That's right. Jimcornaut.com. Do you sell any of your clothing at Brianlast.com? I have not had any requests, and I don't know if I would honor them, because I like to hold on to things for the Brian Last Museum that hopefully one day will open up as part of the Last Family Library. I forgot about that. I remember you saving these important things for historical purposes. Jim, I want to make a mention real quick of a new book that has come out from Crowbar Press

our friend Scott Teal. We talk a lot about his books, a lot about wrestling history. This one goes as far back as you can. For those who really love learning about wrestling history, the great pro wrestling venues, Volume 7, St. Louis, 1873 to 1927. Jim, I have a copy in my hand.

I presume you may have received one as well, but I want to make a mention here because if there is a podcast anywhere with an audience that cares about wrestling from the turn of the century, last century. The last one. Yeah. The last one. It's certainly the audience of the Jim Cornett drive-thru.

Well, and in a whole honest, it's fascinating because this may help to explain. Of course, Scott did a set of books on reprints of St. Louis programs from the World War II years, a few years ago, and those are available at Crowbar Press.com. but it kind of helps make sense of how that St. Louis was an early and consistent wrestling town for all those years because there was some form of wrestling going on on a regular basis at like, you know, in different theaters and vaudeville shows and et cetera, in a variety of venues in and around the St. Louis, going back that far. And there were actually, you know, major events taking place at the turn of the century.

And then there was a low period, which partially may have had to do with rigged pro wrestling matches. What was the term that nobody knew worked back then? So basically, hippodroming was one term for when they suspected that the wrestlers may have cooperated with each other in order to increase the gambling winnings and the odds and etc. And then it starts coming back

in the Tom Pax days, the teens and 20s. It is fascinating to go back and take a look at what professional wrestling was, especially in a city like St. Louis, where it would be built to be one of the capitals of wrestling in not only the country but the world. Again, the brand new book, The Great Pro Wrestling Venues, Volume 7, St. Louis 1873 to 1927.

Available at crowbarpress.com. Let them know where you heard about it. Jim, before we are going with WW Raw and was a newsworthy episode this week. Oh, boy. We received word this past week of the passing of Flying Fred Curry at the age of 82 years old. Jim, want to get your thoughts on flying Fred Curry? Actually, I got to finally meet him.

After all of my years in the business, I think the first time that I met him was like 10 years ago at one of Bobby Fulton shows up in Ohio. And at the time that I started watching wrestling, I mentioned, you know, Bruisers TV was on in Indianapolis. If I turned the antenna right, I could get that. And we had the Tennessee Territory shows here, but when I'd go to Aunt Lola's, I got to see the Sheiks TV.

And flying Fred Curry, that was early 70s. That was pretty much the late 60s, early 70s was the period of time. He was the biggest, or his biggest period of time in the business where he was the dazzling baby face, the young, fiery, you know, good guy for big time wrestling in the Sheeks promotion. And of course he was the son of Bull Curry who had been a major name in the business since the 30s and still was they had father-son tag team matches because Bull was goddamn ageless.

But by then, most of the time for the Sheik, Bull Curry was the gimmick baby face, the crazy kick-ass baby face that would fight the Sheik or whatever. And as a team with his son, you know, that got Fred started and then he was used very well all over the Midwest and he did international tours. So, you know, he was one of the prototypes of the young high flyer, even though his flying was like he'd uncorked drop kicks, boom, boom, boom, boom, just over and over again. But it wasn't like he was doing dives off the top to the floor.

Nobody did. but for the head scissors and all that type of thing. But really nice guy. And again, geez, his career was probably over in what the early 80s, I guess, pretty much on a full-time basis. And so a lot of people haven't seen him because he's another one of the guys that was right before the home video era. He had a run in the Northeast at the beginning of the seven,

and then another one at the end of the 70s. So people in the New York area before the national expansion knew who he was. It's always interesting to me when someone second generation gets into the business and their father isn't just a wrestler, but is quite a notable wrestler with a distinct look. Yeah. Tons of magazine coverage. And he went the other way. I mean, it would have been very easy for him to grow his eyebrows out and, you know, act

like a maniac, he went the other way. I mean, he kind of wanted to do the wrestling part, not just the wild brawl part. Well, the thing is, to be honest, he was more suited to that because he was more of an athletic, you know, fiery kind of young guy, whereas Bull by, I mean, who knows,

Methuselah may have seen Bull Curry when he was a rookie. He had been a boxer, he'd been a policeman in Hartford, Connecticut, he was always in good shape, but he didn't look like the guy that was going to be doing drop kicks and flying head scissors even when he was young. And then as he, you know, as Bull established that look and the gimmick and just the name,

you couldn't get away from it. There was no reason for him to change it. But Fred, if he'd had done the same thing as Bull, he didn't look like that. And it wouldn't have worked. and I think he knew that, but at the same time, since Bull Curry could still be somewhat of a, you know, a baby face, even just being Bull Curry in Detroit at the time,

is the perfect place for Fred to break in as a baby face. Well, again, passing at the age of 82, flying Fred Curry, we send our sympathies to his friends and family and fans. I know he has a son that also wrestled, making him a third generation in the Curry family. That's right. His son was all. on that show of Bobby Fultons that I was talking about.

And he had some pretty good eyebrows on him, too. It runs in the family. Well, I guess so. Fucking Bull Curry in like 1950 looked like a brillo pad. Well, again, flying Fred Curry, known for relatively normal eyebrows. But Jim, a lot of people's eyebrows were raised this past week on WW Monday Night Raw, specifically the opening segment,

but there was a lot of notable things to talk about. here on this episode, but let's talk about WWRWA. Well, they were in Houston, and I don't know, Houston, do we have a problem? I don't know. I mean, there was some, they had some problems on a show, but there's also, again, some things that lit up the, the various interwebs with the, you know, especially with the guy who started the program, our friend CM Punk. As I said, they were in Houston, Texas, 11,769 people.

And they show the guys walking in, and then there's punk walking in, and the announcer saying he'll be here later on, and he just walks right through guerrilla and comes straight out. And he gets the fucking pop, right? That's a surprise that he sits cross-legged in the ring, and they chant CM Punk, and they chant OTC. and he's reminiscent of the pipe bomb where he set cross-legged on the stage. But then he'd get up and move around.

And I kind of, normally I hate it when people just wander around while they're talking, but this kind of worked because he looked like he was just venting at people. But he started out mentioning everything that would have made Vince McMahon's head explode. right. Houston is a pro wrestling town. It's Paul Bosch territory. And Paul Bosch's name got a pop. Wasn't it? In 2026, I was actually, I was looking for that when he said the name and he got the pop.

It was good to see. Well, you know, I think there have been so many local TV specials and retrospectives that I think in the general population, if they're at a wrestling show, they're familiar. Now, I don't know about the average 16-year-old at the mall, but I said for this crowd, it was more than a lot of old-time promoters would have got in different places. Anyway, what would the old-timers do? What would Harley Race do? Harley would take Vince down in the bathroom.

No, he cut to promo on Roman not being there. Sure, he could use his cousins and show up, but I show up cousins. list and do it myself. And I mean, he just had line after line. Being hated by losers is the price that I pay for not being one of them. And Roman can't show. I showed up and I'm an old man. I'm old, but I'm not weak.

And he cuts a promo on why he hates Roman. Is he's plastic and he's fake and my tools are self-made. yours are store-bought and plastic and T-KO sent your beltless ass to Jimmy Fallon because you're safe and boring and manufactured, and they never know what I'll say or what I'll do. And, hey, you show up late, you leave early, at least the rock is or was a Hollywood star. Your bloated cousin. Yeah, that guy, he called him your bloated cousin.

He said, my bloated cousin isn't on the board of directors. My father didn't give me a favor job because I sucked at football. And you're nothing but a buck-toothed nepo baby that ate dog food for a weird old man. They popped on that. That weird old man had treated me like a dog and expected me to smile, but I had F.U. money and I took my dignity and left. And he got him chanting, C.M. Punk, C.m. Punk.

And he's like, I can stand on the bridge and blow it up, but bitch, I know how to swim. Which, when you think about it, actually the explosion probably would kill him before he hit the water, wouldn't it? Unless he had some sort of propulsion pact that would shoot him into the air moments before the explosion so that all he has to do is prepare for landing. Or possibly some type of Ironman-like bomb-proof armor apparatus.

Now you're being silly. Now you're being silly. Oh, well, yours was entirely reasonable. Perfectly reasonable. Think about it. All right. Anyway, then, now he's wandering all around the ring. All out on the floor.

And he had Pat McAfee, you buggy whip arm, no brain hillbilly. Did you hear what he? He didn't call him Pat McAfee. everyone was messaging us about this, Pat McAfee. Pat McAfee, I didn't even catch that. I swear to God, I didn't. Is McAfee one of them? I don't know.

But a lot of listeners sent that over, so a lot of people seem to think that's what he said. Oh, maybe we're being treated to something we haven't known about Pat. Well, he wrote a check that his narrow ass can't cash. So he told McAfee to call up that agent that shoehorned you into this show and tell him to lower the ticket prices. The greatest baby face line ever. I know that people cheered and popped and yeah, I want all the families to come and watch me stand on Roman Raines's throat. They're like, yeah, lower the prices. I'm CM Punk and I approve this message.

And he blistered everybody and got it done under 15 minutes. But again, he didn't say, I would have believed that he would have said, fuck and take his company to shove it up your ass, anything. But he didn't say lower the ticket prices unless they told him he could. But still, it's brilliant.

Because that's been the big topic of conversation. if they're wanting to see that's I can tell now that Nick Con and who knows Ari Emanuel and whoever other bigwigs are that that have been around the business for a little while but haven't actually been in the business until they started this whole fiasco a couple years ago they want to take advantage of what people are saying on the internet they want to like shoot and all these things they've heard. about. If you get somebody can talk like punk, you can

pull it off. I'm not convinced Pat McAfee is going to be able, he's as you said the other day, very energetic and high energy and rah-rah on commentary, but I don't, I don't,

yeah, I don't think some of these other people that they're wanting to do these shoot things with can carry off shoots. Do you? No, because punk knows how to blur it. You don't know where the truth ends and you don't know where the work begins. You know there have to be elements of what he's saying that are true. You just don't know where the line is.

And at one point he threw a great little curve in there. It seemed like to me it would have been directed at hypothetically the people in guerrilla or in the back where don't ask for a pipe bomb if you're not prepared for what will happen. Oh yeah, yeah. Or, you know, something along those lines. Yeah, don't ask me for a pipe bomb if you don't want to find. Because if you made a list of things you would think TKO don't want brought up, the rock not being a movie superstar is one.

Him being bloated is just a minor thing, but him not being a movie star is a big deal. He said that. Vince McMahon, who again, he's been brought up now on multiple shows. Last week it was bizarrely, and I saw something where Lance Storm, who I'll agree with on this, called them out for this, It was kind of disgusting to present Vincent positive terms like that. Yeah, it's like you haven't achieved

the high level of your father type of comment was, yeah. Punk called him a weird old man. That works. And he brought up every single deficiency there could ever be in Roman reigns. He's never there. If he's supposed to be in Hollywood doing stuff, how can we never see the

projects and how come everyone else's projects are always coming out? It's like Power Town. Roman Raines is like he's like the power town of wrestling stars no but he brought up everything I mean it was I think the best promo punk has done at a minimum

since he returned and not even returned to WWE since he returned to wrestling I may have enjoyed it more than the original pipe bomb but I could see why that would still be the one a lot of people look to but I thought this was

phenomenal And it went on a while and it kind of had to because otherwise he's gone. I mean, that was it for him on this show and obviously Roman Raines isn't there. But it didn't seem like it because it was under 15 minutes and it flew. It could have gone 30 minutes and I would have loved it. But once he said, call your agent, who's Ari Emanuel, the guy who runs the entire company, call your agent and ask him to lower the ticket prices. If you notice the fans behind him, they didn't go, yeah!

They started clapping like, All right. They got it. And that's one of the greatest baby-faced things ever. And it's also a major sign that TKO recognized they got to lower ticket prices with the ticket sale issues at WrestleMania and whatever else that they're letting this be brought up on TV. They're going to try to turn themselves baby-face before other people could turn them heel. My God, can you imagine if they had a stipulation added at WrestleMania that if punk wins,

they have to lower the ticket prices for the rest of the summer or whatever the fun. That would be goddamn, yeah. That'd be the biggest thing ever. That would be amazed. And if he lost, it would be even more, it would be like when Lawler and Austin Idol, what was it, Lawler was going to refunds everyone's money or lose his hair.

No money back guarantee. See, and that's what drew me that big house in Knoxville with me and Bob Armstrong, 3,000 people because they said if he didn't put me in a hospital, that he would refund the money if everybody came to see the match and Idol had said he would refund the money mine was a heel promising something

and they didn't want the money but Idol was the or mine was the baby face promising something to do something to the heel and they didn't really want the money back but idols in Memphis against Lawler was the heel promising he'd give the money back if he didn't shave Lawler his head and he ended up shaving

luller's head but to people thought they were going to get the money back because that had never happened before. So it's two different ways to go about it. But to point is that that's another goddamn great territory stipulation that was only used a couple of times, but it drew in each case and you can't do it anymore because of pay-per-view and or them publicizing if it's Madison Square Garden, it's a fucking $2 million gate, nobody would believe it. But they, we had, and I think Randy Hales, who was booking at the time, had did too, had them actually show the fucking cash and shit on TV.

And everybody believed Bob anyway. but Idle had a suitcase with 25 grand or 30 grand or whatever the sellout would be at the Coliseum in those days and they showed it said if I don't do this you get your money back so people are like well fuck he's certainly not going to shave Jerry Lawler's head that could not happen and then when it happened they start climbing the cage because they didn't get their money back

and the way we did it Bob, and he even said the way I had him worded, he said, I will send Jim Cornett to the same hospital and the same ambulance that he sent me to back in May, right, where we started the deal. And that's what we did. He fucking gave me two pile drivers. I was already bleeding. He fucking laid me out in the middle of the ring.

We called an ambulance. They taped me to the board. I've told the story before, but took me out. Nobody wanted their money back. That's what they wanted to say. They were cheering a whole fucking. time and they waited until the fucking ambulance pulled out before they left and then followed me to the hospital.

But nobody was mad about not getting their money back because it was worth the ten bucks to see me crippled. And that's why he wore a neck brace, folks. But a hell of a promo here. And again, where it goes from here is going to be interesting. I guess there's one more raw before mania. You would think Roman would have to show up at least for that one. he's going to get his comeback promo

but we shall see it's where is that raw where is raw located next week I don't know I will have to double check that is that is that one where Brock is Brock gonna be there they advertised a bunch of Rawls for him or are they in like Dubuque somewhere and nobody gives a shit when was the last time Brock wasn't there

well that's what I'm saying they advert to remember about six weeks ago they advertised six dates for Brock and I think all of them were for raw. Next week's raw is in Sacramento, California. I don't know. You think that's an A town where Brock and Roman are going to show up or will they slum it because it's the raw before WrestleMania?

A lot of questions here. What did you think of the promo in terms of where you would rank it in terms of recent promos you've seen? Oh, no, I loved it. It was great because the thing is it. it flows from him. He didn't memorize that. I don't know any memorizing it or not,

but you don't sense that he memorized this, that he's reciting it. It's not, to me, it's not acting either because acting to me connotates that you're playing someone else, another role, another personality. Punk is incredible at being, punk and being real and sounding like

this shit's just rolling off top of his head. And it's biting and it's you know witty and et cetera, et cetera, but also it sells the goddamn issue. And like you said earlier, it blurs the lines where you

have a hard time saying bullshit about anything he says because so much of it is shit that people actually well, that ain't really bullshit. So, no, It's phenomenal, and that's what I'm saying. You can get away with doing a shoot kind of work shoot inside, outside, all around the house, whatever fuck kind of thing with a guy that can do that.

But you can't just willy-nilly think we're going to bring everybody in on all this and let everybody do it because they're going to shit to bed at it because they ain't punk. Or at that level, there's a few that can pull it off, but. Not a ton. I have a couple more questions about all this, but before we go any further, I want to say that the idea of lowering ticket prices is such a great babyface move. Just like the idea of offering great meals for 50% off with free daily greens per box. That's what I was looking for.

Jim, of course. Just a box of greens. I'm talking about our great friends at Factor. Well, it is a baby. face thing to give people food at half off, especially in these trying times that we're going through these days. So that I'll agree with you there. But also, folks, how much is your time worth? How much is your health worth? How much is shutting the kids up worth? Because whether a factor it has meals built around your goals, your goals in life, whether it's to lose weight, whether it's to

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They're going to love it, just like everybody loves it. You're human, you're going to love it. Matter of fact, many of the family pets may love it. I understand cattle. No? Cattle love the every meal crafted with functional ingredients, lean proteins, colorful veggies, whole foods, healthy fats, and if you want to feed it to your cattle, corn and oats.

No, ladies and gentlemen, this is food to feed to you and other humans that are in the house. Yes, oh, well, you can't have a cow. in the house, Brian? What in the world are you talking about? You just skip right past the mention of the humans. We're talking about humans, and we're talking about human chefs crafting human food for great humans who want good meals. You may not have time to go and cook something at the end of your day.

I know I don't. But Factor sends me these great fresh meals. I heat them up. The terriaki salmon. Oh, here we go again. I recommend it to all ignore Jim's suggestions. They're not good for your stomach. The filet, no, they're excellent for your stomach.

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Because like either you eat factor or you starve. So factor starved. Yeah, not a good idea. I don't know if that's necessarily the marketing suggestions they should be listening to right now. But Jim, before we move on with Raw, a couple questions coming out of the previous segment. One, the mentions of the Rock,

did that almost tease that the Rock kind of has to be involved in some way at WrestleMania? And again, if he's no longer bloated, you know, and you call him bloated, No, does the Rock have to be involved, do you think, after the way it was mentioned in this? No. I don't think. This was not done to me in a way that every...

Oh, I can't wait to see the Rock come back and get even. It was done to get under Roman Rains' skin about his family. And he's already mentioned his father. He's talking about his cousins, the Uso's regularly, but who is the most... a goddamn high profile member of the Roman Reins family tree but the rock so he was insulting

he was he was needling Roman Reigns by insulting his cousin the well-known rock and also because he gets a pop because everybody knows who the rock is if he insulted and by the way your cousin Greta she's a fucking whore well no you know who

So, but this wasn't done in a way to me that makes a... I don't think anybody wants to see the rock on at WrestleMania season anymore after the last time or two. And tying into that question, coming off Smackdown with the McAfee segment and specifically what he said on the microphone, and in a lot of ways you can see this is the rebuttal. Cody Rhodes got on the mic later in the show,

the story that's going around at least, is that allegedly, Triple H and other people were not happy with what TKO is done with creative by shoehorning Pat McAfee into this, that they told Cody to go out there and say whatever he wanted. And that's what happened. I guess the point is no matter how much of this is a work and how much of it's a shoot,

it's clearly now a concerted effort to go in this direction. It's been a lot of years since we had heel authority figures. what do you think of the idea and all of a sudden they're seemingly beginning to present TKO as the heels and the wrestling stars as the baby faces? Well, that's part of what I was saying before when I said, boy, you can do the work shoot promos if you're talented like punk or a few others.

Some others can't. This is a tricky thing. And again, I think it is because, Because Nick Conn or Emanuel, they get around the business. Because the business at its core is still the fucking wrestling business. It used to be that every once in a while would attract, you know, somebody legit IT flat-o. It would have down back to the turn of the last century.

It would attract somebody with some money, some attorney, some person that had been successful in another area and they wanted to be around this and they're incredible businessmen and they've got incredible track records of success and all these people own to Hollywood

but when they get around the business do they want to stop all they see feedback on the internet and they imagine scenarios well well let's take this and run with it and make it part of the storyline

but when it starts they don't think everything through 15 ways like a lot of the wrestling fans do or a lot of the people who've been in a wrestling business do because they know that this can turn sour if people don't particularly like it then you're just calling attention to a bunch of shit you're doing that they don't want you to do you see what I'm saying it's I don't think they know it we don't think they with the celebrities and the blah, blah, blah, instead of a lot of the diehard fans that are going to spend the most money, you're saying,

okay, we've always had celebrities, but this is getting a little bit ridiculous. You've seen those comments, Brian, where even the longtime fans are saying, a little bit too many celebrities. Yeah, so Lil Yadi actually went off on some fan the other day for doing that, and he's like, you know, I've been working my ass off to get here

and do this. And he's actually been good, so I'm not going to complain about him, but... Well, yeah, but that's the thing is... It's the way you could tell they see Jelly Roll and Pat McAfee as being bigger than their own stars, and they shouldn't present it that way, let alone think it. Yes, and putting them into... But that's the point is they're taking complaints that the fans have had. High ticket prices will work it into the thing.

Too many celebrities or whatever will work it into the thing. or I believe that what they have done is they've worked it into the thing that, yes, that Ari Emanuel and whoever else that is on his, you know, in his orbit and giving him advice and ESPN and, well, we'll do this cross-promotion and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, stick him in there with Randy, because he ain't a long-time fucking wrestling fan. he's a goddamn deal maker trying to get cross-promotion. And I can believe that Cody and or Triple H and or anybody who's been in a wrestling business

are like, oh, goddamn fuck this up and muddy this shit. It's so fucking simple to do, you son of a bitches. And they want to vent because now instead of the focus being on Cody and Orton, the focus was on a lot of the fans complaining about where the fuck did Pat McAfee come from? But the point is that if they're blurring this in, but a lot of it is,

I think they should have just maybe address what a lot of the criticism is, like lower the ticket prices, without goddamn head. I mean, it was brilliant for punk to say, it. It makes him a great baby face, but just address the problems people have.

Maybe back off on the goddamn celebrities being in every main event and even wrestling in every fucking match and back off on the ticket prices and give the people what they were kind of expecting, which is

what you should do at WrestleMania. Because what the people are expecting is, what has been being built to for however long. That's why they expect it. Am I making any sense, Brian? You're making a lot of sense. And again, when we were talking in advance about who's Randy Orton talking to,

the guesses we had half joking, but I said Vince McMahon or Stephanie, you said, Cowboy Bob or Randy himself. There's no one there. Several people said they like that idea, as a matter of fact, nevertheless. less. I think any of those ideas are better than MacAfee, who doesn't work in the spot. I even saw several people say Kevin Owens, and I'm like, man, that would have worked. If it was Kevin Owens here, wrestling fans would be a buzz about that. McAfee's here, and here's what I think. I don't think McAfee's ever going to convert more of the Pat McAfee show fans to be wrestling fans than he has

already. Like, there's nothing else. It's not like, all of a sudden, now's the time I'm going to go check out what Pat's doing. If there's any convertible audience there, they've been converted. and you didn't really excite the wrestling fans the way you would have hoped to, I think Kevin Owens would have actually done that. Kevin Owens would have gotten the WWE fans talking and it would have been better.

And we'll see where they go from here at McAfee, but this does not seem like it was needed or is a good idea? Or he's the right guy for it. That's the thing. Besides, again, not making any sense, he's not one of those guys that he because he in his promo when he was talking about

how the attitude error was so much better and you know Randy was great back then but you people now are the shits of that whole I mean I could go out there and do that promo but that doesn't necessarily there's a way to do it without pointing out how much better shit used to be which if you're trying to be the heel on the program, well, I did that 30 years ago on the NWA thing.

I'll tell you how great it used to be. But you can't just have Pat blurting out kind of smart fan lines from the comments section on a news site. He has to have a bigger grip of the whole picture to like have a punk to weave in and out of that. where it's not really detrimental to what they're trying to fucking do or what they've been doing. Well, we'll see what happens.

We are on the road to WrestleMania and there's more raw. Oh, I forgot. There is, isn't there? Did you see Austin Theory versus L.A. Knight, by the way? I saw in the background. That wasn't paying too close of attention to the match. It's Austin Theory against L.A. Knight, and Theory has Logan.

Paul and I show speed in his corner because they're going to set up another celebrity fucking match. Spoiler alert, spoiler alert. And I watched because I like to watch Austin Theory work. I'm sorry. I'm just a fan. And LA Knight ain't, he ain't just a bowl of fucking oatmeal either. But they had a nice match. It didn't go that long because there was a break in the middle. But then the finish, L.A. Night is. on the floor to look at I show speed when Logan Paul shoves speed

from behind into LA night and then speed gets scared because L.A. Knight chases him to the back, but the Uso's come out and they block him off. So did you see the leapfrog? Do you see the kid leapfrog of L.A. Knight?

Yeah. In the entranceway so that was off a fucking floor rather than any kind of a springy ring. He leapfrogs L.A. Knight and runs back, gets back into ring, but L.A. Knight catches him. Now, of course, the match is still going on, but it's not. Because theory is just laying there waiting for all this foolishness to be over with.

And then finally, as he catches him, Logan Paul jumps up on the apron, and L.A. Knight nails Logan Paul and then Theory Schoolboys L.A. Knight from behind 1, 2, 3. So now the match is over, but then Speed is stuck in the ring with the three baby faces. Actually, he's not stuck in the ring. He's just sitting there and acting scared into me. He could have just rolled out.

I don't. But he's laying there and he's scared. And the other heels are on the floor just standing there watching the three baby faces menace him. and then finally they get the idea to whip him into the rope so they can do the 3D to him, the Uso's, but that's when the heels trip him and pull him out. So basically the story is that the heels

don't give two shits about this guy, but he's hanging around. What is the, what's the relationship here? And he helped him last week, so I don't know, I don't know. I think that didn't we first see I Show Speed with Logan Paul? Like, he was one of his social media friends at one of the wrestling events. Or am I thinking of a single? Yes. Yes.

No, that's, yeah, and then Bronbreaker speared him at some point for some reason. Is he represented by Ari Emanuel? Again, all these guys who are all over the show, that's the question I have now. Who's representing them? You know what? And while I talk about what they did here right after that, just type in to the Googler, I show speed, and where did he fucking come

from, and what's the deal with him? But, well, so they pull him out, and they're starting to leave, but L.A. Knight does a promo as to get out here, Adam Pierce, and challenges for a six-man tag team confrontation at WrestleMania

with L.A. Knight and the Uso's against Austin Theory, Logan Paul, and I Show Speed. So how the vision, has dimmed a couple of key injuries, and we went from the new four horsemen to the new fucking flunkies that are going to get whipped by a goddamn internet guy. Where is he from? Do we, do we have any information? He's from Cincinnati, Ohio. Son of a gun, right up the road.

How did he submerge into the public consciousness? He's 21 years old. He is an American influencer and online streamer regarded as one of the most popular online streamers and internet personalities in the world. None for his dramatic and energetic behavior he displays during his variety live streams including in real live streams conducted in various worldwide locations.

He has been viewed as a cultural ambassador as he visits countries often to showcase their cultures and inventions to domestic and international audiences. Are you getting anything from this? Well, in the Vegas terms, I'm not sure that I can see this guy that I'm seeing on TV going and, you know, getting the fucking lowdown from one of the priests

at the Sistine Chapel on its history. I'm not sure that I don't, what is he, what did he actually do to get all these people to start watching him? What does he say? How, what does he, what does he have to say for himself? He would stream himself playing video games.

That's how it started. The fuck. What? Isn't that like streaming yourself playing golf, but at least you can sit down? Who gives a shit? Ari Emanuel. Well, anyway, um, so there's a, six man so again the vision they've and they're almost having to ignore that logan paul and

austin theory are even still ambulatory to try to paint because set ralas is trying to paint the picture that hayman's almost all alone where he'd get him where he wants him they've just trivialized these two fuckers to where they're working with the usos and a guy who gives us the low down on fucking plantains and panos and who he thinks going to win that match maybe one I don't see much of I don't know it has to be the vision I would think but it's a six man so they can lose and not lose

the belts they got to no they got to beat because there'll be a ride if they don't at least the celebrity that's a 21 year old kid is on the heel side and he ain't going to be the one to drop that's like the manager for fuck's sake he better drop the fall he better if they're not trying to pin him he needs to pull a murdock as a rib and just roll one them on top of him and fucking pin himself the fans will fucking burn him alive can you bet jesus christ they'd have a riot at at wrestlemania if i show speed

was to fucking oh yeah yeah anyway would you like to continue with you like to continue with the program. I feel we must. We must, we must, we must improve our bust. So Finn had a thing with JD, and then A.J. Lee talked in a kind of a snotty fashion to Becky Lynch, and Bailey wrestled Lash Leroux.

And then we got Seth Rillins. Back in the saddle again. He got a, he got a big response, he got the singing, and then he milked the goddamn singing forever. And then he said, I am back. I think they should have some kind of penalty, Brian, for public singing.

Unless you're talented like me and can really belt out of tune, I think it should be like a disturbing piece. they should come in to write people tickets for singing in public, especially at, put extra security on at the WWE events. So the point being, he's a big baby face. And like, you know, and that's been a foregone conclusion since he got hurt. But he had to,

he had to do a promo that was prefaced in saying that I have no idea what Gunther's problem is with me. we have no no history we have no personal issue I have figured out it's because Gunther has gone into business with Paul Heyman I mean is that it this is the again the the response that the fans had when they found out it was going to be Gunther and Seth Rollins where the

fuck did this come from and now they've worked it into the deal but they almost have to don't they I mean, there's a promo in the back. We'll talk about it in a little bit. It's kind of silly that he's coming out there and saying the truth, which is we have no idea what has happened, what this is being caused by. And then Guther sneaks up on him again.

Look, this whole WrestleMania build has been desperation. And they found something with two guys who aren't hurt, and they're just going for it. You know what? If they still did the card and newspaper ads, I swear to God, if I was still running a performance, motion, it was still doing newspaper ads like I used to.

I would make the opening match two guys that aren't hurt and just to fucking rib everybody. But that's, Seth wants to win back the World Heavyweight Championship and kill the vision. That's his goals. Well, goddamn vision is a shell of its former, and they're not, again, he's talking about, Seth is talking about, well, reads on the shelf and Bronn Breaker's. on a shelf and these other guys are busy, they're not acknowledging and Hayman's managing

Brock Lester and the biggest fucking buzz match at the whole weekend. And I'll take Brock to be my bodyguard over all of the other fuckers to begin with. But they had to pivot and put Paul in a more prominent position at WrestleMania with Brock than with the guys that he's had for the last six months or whatever.

Anyway, if Gunther is listening, Seth said he's, he's a shield for Paul E, that it's personal. And then Gunther jumped him from behind and they got in a fight. And they had to pull apart and Gunther left.

And then, the agents didn't work this hard when they were still wrestling full time. Every week, there's three pull-aparts now. and in the back, Gunther saw Paul Lee, and Paul Lee was saying, I don't know why you did what you did in Madison Square Garden, but I owe you a hearty handshake or whatever.

And Gunther shook his hand and says, you owe me so much more than a very big hand. Thank you. And so apparently this means that even Paul Lee was unaware. so it further weakens Seth's case that at least Paul E went behind his back to fucking hire Gunther, so therefore I should really be mad at Gunther too because he's with Paul E. And that kind of undermined that premise, didn't it? Help me?

Well, I can't help you because I don't understand what they're doing unless this is somehow the beginning of the build to Gunther and Brock down the road. Right? Down the road! because it can't be now. We've been down the road. Because it can't be anytime soon, especially if he loses the Obafemi,

if it's going to be something where Gunther is going to be the one to retire Brock. I mean, I guess technically going to Brock's guy and demanding the match and getting it could be. I mean, I don't know what else it would be or what they're doing. We don't, we don't know if, we're just saying we think that Gunther should retire Brock.

We don't know if Brock's on board with that. Brock may go all the way to where they book his retirement match and then say, you know what, fucking I'm good and not do that last job. See? And that's why he fucking sells tickets because people think, you know what?

He just might do his own shit. He's the only one. Anyway, so after the six-man tag with all the Americanos in it, they had Ria Ripley and Eoskei against K-Fabe and Mia Yim. I thought Ria was free of this

tag team situation, but nevertheless, then there was a moment that got some conversation on the internet in the back, in the, one of the judgment day huddles up where they have these heartfelt talks and pump each other up and Dominic is left and fucking Rochelle, Rochelle is left and Liv Morgan is standing there

talking to Roxanne Perez. And again, bear in mind, this is a, I don't know if they do these live, I think they may have done this live, be quite honest with you, but it's in the back, right? It's just with the one camera, everybody knows what I'm talking about, where they're standing in that round of equipment case speaking. But this is, I've never seen

anything like this before some way or another doing a backstage interview Stephanie Vakere managed to put two people on the concussion protocol with the same fucking shot I do not know that that has ever happened before

in wrestling that you would give two motherfuckers brain damage with the same below. Can you think, Brian, come up with one? I can't come up with one, no. I don't. Let me describe what happened for the fans, and then I will explain why I watched it 18 fucking times, and I still, I can't say that I don't understand what happened. I see exactly what happened. I don't understand how any of them let it happen. Well, poor Liv was kind of, I think, maybe innocent in all of this as much as anybody could be.

But as Liv is standing there talking to Roxanne and they're having this heartfelt conversation from stage left, off camera, Stephanie Vacker flies into the scene and nails Liv Morgan in the back and Liv flies forward and shoot headbutts Roxanne Perez. as hard as I've ever seen any motherfucker male, female, animal, vegetable, or mineral headbutted, and poor Roxanne immediately, I don't know, she may need some type of reconstructive surgery. She went down and turned over holding her head and never got up again. And Liv went down, and there you can see there's Stephanie, a word on her. her in a moment. There is fucking Stephanie try to pull, Live up to

her feet to run her into something else when Liv came, it's like don't know whether to wind her ass or scratch her watch. And then she does run her into the goddamn TV screen head first. And

that'll look good too because I don't think Liv was in a position at that point necessarily to know what she was running into. what the fuck is the matter with Stephanie Backer? And obviously pictures went around on social media of Live with a giant knot on her head. It's bigger than half of a tennis ball. Cut a tennis ball and half and fucking stick it on the front of her fucking forehead.

That's what it looks like. And of course, the TV shot looked great too. Like you said, that looked great. But knowing that she may have been out of it when she got picked up and thrown into it is kind of scary. out of it when she got picked up and thrown into it. That's a very descriptive way of looking at it. From her standpoint, she had to be like, what the fuck is happening? Why will the bells not stop ringing?

I thought it was Raquel. Why don't the birds go on singing? No. I thought it was Raquel at first because she had just left the same direction that Stephanie came in from and they both have black hair. It happened quick. My first thought was Raquel? You know what?

some friend she is she had to pass Stephanie and didn't say a goddamn thing you would think what did Stephanie do wrong what do you want I could tell you're about to go off on Stephanie Vaccaro what do you have to say here okay well first of all the reason why I can't understand how this happened is because I could understand

if they didn't know that this was coming if it was a shoot and and they had the Liv had no idea that somebody was going to give her a blow from behind and she was going to fucking have a double knockout with Roxanne. They were somewhat close together. And the thing is,

Roxanne was looking in the direction or was standing in the direction that Stephanie would have been coming from. And I think she probably either thought to herself or somebody had said to her, well, look down so you don't just see this, woman charging Liv Morgan from behind and you're, you know, just stand there looking at it. But when she looked down, she bent in toward Liv instead of looking down, but like to the right, like on the floor, like, well, I don't know, just turning her head away.

Because Roxanne should, they should have taken this like you take any other double knockout or it's a shoulder tackle souped up. You left shoulder to left shoulder, flat, flat, boom, with one person's head, both people's head turned to the right. But with Roxanne, and I mean, people can go back and look at this and see what I'm trying to say, with Roxanne being close to her anyway and then bent down to look down so she wouldn't see the girl coming,

but now she's bent her head right toward live. secondly has anybody told stephanie it's a fucking work what in the flight you don't need if you come from behind somebody the best way to stop them from behind is a nice fucking broad arm across the goddamn shoulder blades and you may be with your left hand you're going to give them a little push in the fucking back like just to help them go in that direction, but you're still going to work it. This girl had to come. I don't know if she could have been any more full speed, but

even if she was just pushing, she pushed Liv Morgan hard enough that if you had a, let's say, a history of neck issues, you might have got a whiplash out of that fucking shove. And I don't know how hard she actually hit her because she flew into the camera so quick you couldn't get a fucking gauge of it but Jesus H. Christ. I've seen videos on Twitter people get run over by small cars that they didn't fucking bounce that fast. So somebody needs to tell her, hey, it's a work and we'll work with you.

When you hit me from behind, I will of my own volition. Go forward and have a double knockout with this young lady without you hitting me like your goddamn city bus. So anyway, so the point is, Liv had the big tennis ball-sized lump on her head. We haven't seen Roxanne's face. She may look like the bride of Frankenstein. And it's two weeks for WrestleMania. That's where they said they'd been entered into the concussion protocol.

call, whatever that fucking means. Well, hopefully everyone's okay for WrestleMania. Liv and Stephanie Vakar lives one of the best performers on this show or in this company, so you hate to see her get injured or have anything delay what is going to happen with her, but perhaps, Jim, she needs a good night's sleep. Coming out of that concussion and perhaps Roxanne Perez.

I don't know. I think she might not have completely woken up all the way yet. Well, perhaps Roxanne Perez as well, needs a good night's sleep after you get concussed and thrown through a TV, you may need a good night's sleep. And of course, when we need a good night sleep in my house, or they need one at Castle Cornette, we rely on Helix sleep. Oh, boy, I'll tell you what, and it's often that we need a good night's sleep, because Brian, you wouldn't think that the people have a grip on how trying and hard it is for us to run our empire that we do here. They think it's all sunshine, lollipops, rainbows, of waterfalls. We have

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Well, because we haven't had to pull apart yet tonight. Oh, I forgot we did. But nevertheless. So I knew something was up. They've been milking the contract signing between Obafemmy and Brock Leicester all night. But 11 minutes left in the program, we get Triple H and Adam Pierce is introduction, they come to the ring and they go to break for two and a half minutes. So when we come back, now there's eight minutes on the air, whatever the fuck.

They start to talk and Paul E interrupts and he waddles out. I think he's losing weight gradually, either that or he had one of those vacuum procedures where he sucked it out of his face, but he still got the midsection treatment to go. because when he did the big introduction and Brock came out, I was noticing that as they're standing there, his stomach is about the same width as Brock's chest. So they kind of looked like they fit together like part of a puzzle. Maybe he did that on purpose.

Nevertheless, by the time they both get to the ring and the people are chanting, Oba, Oba. And then they introduce Oba with three minutes left on the program. and he he does the full entrance with the lighting and starting to do that he's doing the strut. And boy, you would have thought when I said, what is the deal with the fucking strut that people said that I should, or the people thought that I said he should be launched in a rocket into the sun? No, he's going to be a major star. I was like, I would not, the strut seemed to me a bit comedic.

for such a towering, menacing persona, but now everybody's doing the little strut and going, Oba, Oba. But the point is, but the time he gets to the ring and starts to get in, there's one minute, 30 seconds left in this program. I figured they better sign quick, right? Ed Brock jumps him coming through the ropes.

They go to the floor. Oba posts him. They fight back into the ring, fall over the table. 20 guys come in to pull. pull them apart and we're off the air. So again, they're proving me somewhat of a prognosticator in that I said, whatever the fuck they're going to do with these guys is going to be very brief before WrestleMania.

And that ain't going to take too long. And that is, but I didn't know they were going to do it this many times, just every time they, okay, let's have a pull apart. And apparently the brawl continued for a good while after the cameras went on. because there's plenty of footage out there now, fan cam footage, and I think even WWE official footage of the brawl continuing, throwing the chair at each other and just trying to throw more things into the ring, walk through the stairs into the ring.

So it went on for a while. I wish we to see that, and see if they weren't taking bumps for each other and beating each other up there, or just throwing shit, why did we see that? They can, they can, it's Netflix, they go, long as they want. That would have souped some things up a little bit, but this was a little flat to wait for two and a half hours or whatever to see literally 45 seconds of scuffle.

Imagine a Brock through Heyman. Oh my God. He'd be arrested for attempted murder. Heyman could kill somebody flying through the air. That could be their new thing. He picks up his manager and throws him at his opponent. You know what? It was short, but it was exciting.

It was one of the highlights of this show. The CM Punk interview is obviously the other highlight. I don't think we can say the concussions were highlights. But at least a good beginning. And by the way, I'm sorry that an update on Roxanne Perez, she has the same kind of fucking lump on her head, Liv had. But apparently she's tweeted out that she'll be all right also. But what the fuck?

But go ahead. Any thoughts about the fact that they had Brock attack him as soon as he came through the ropes, and then Oba immediately took over on Brock? Well, no, they still, they have still not had Oba show any vulnerability. That doesn't mean he can't be punched and sell or whatever, but like, you know, of any major consequence, he's been unstoppable, which he needs to be. But again, I think if they have. If they continued it afterwards,

goddamn, they should have stuck with it. Maybe they thought that was going to be it. And the director said, okay, let's, you know, get out. That was the plan to get out quick or whatever. But again, as long as I said, they're not taking bumps for each other or one is obviously getting the upper hand on the other with all the people in the ring and they're throwing them around

and they're throwing chairs and all that shit. I would have liked to have seen a little bit more of that. But no, it's no surprise. They're not, Oba can, you know, take a few blows and keep on ticking, but they're not going to get serious heat on him before WrestleMania, I wouldn't think, because the idea is, it's the match with the biggest buzz and the fans want to see someone finally be crowned the news.

beast by slaying Brock Lesnar. So they want to keep the idea that that's going to happen in people's mind. One exciting conclusion to WWRWA. The Road to WrestleMania continues. Jim, this morning as we are recording, WWE officially announced the lineups and the nights for WrestleMania on ESPN, and we have the cards here if you want to quickly review this. Oh, I guess we should for the sake of completionism.

Now, is this the lineup or just the knights? Because we know they do screwy order with the matches sometimes. I don't know the order of the matches. Yeah, the order can't be set in stone this far ahead. Well, the only thing that can be is this. The first hour, which is going to be on ESPN2, will contain in an unsanctioned match, Drew McIntyre versus Jacob Fodier.

and a six-man tag match of LA Knight and the Usos versus the Vision and Eyes Show Speed. Now wait, is this, this is if we tune in to what do we watch the pay-per-views on now or the premium live events or whatever the fuck? This is the Disney thing, right? And then we go to Disney and we... It's the ESPN Plus, I believe, but it's under your Disney account if you go to that streaming service. Yeah, yeah, you've got to have these notes tacked to the side of the television.

But we're going to see that if this is on ESPN, it's also going to be on the regular broadcast. We're going to see this, or do we have to tune into ESPN first and then go to the goddamn, how does this work? ESPN would be wrong. It's ESPN 2. The first hour will be on ESPN 2 in the United States and Netflix internationally

from Las Vegas. But is it also going to be on a regular... It has to be. has to be. One would think. Let's go to the, I guess we wouldn't say main card, the part of the card that they put behind the paywall for the WWW Women's Tag Team Championship

in a fatal four-way, Charlotte Flare and Alexa Bliss, versus Lash Legend and Nia Jacks, versus Bailey and Taya Valkyrie. Oh, no, that's not that. Paya Valkyria, excuse me. Oh, geez. The Valkyria got me.

Versus the bellas. Oh, the bellas. Um, well, that's just swell. We're not predicting anything now here. We're just these are the matches, right? Yeah, clearly you're not predicting anything. I'm going to do that. It's unpredictable.

You're unpredictable, yeah. Do do, do, do, do, do. All right. One of the biggest hit songs to sample Andrew Dice Clay. And once again, this begins six people. Eastern on April 18th, Saturday, Jim for the Women's Intercontinental Championship, the champion A.J. Lee versus Becky Lynch.

Well, hopefully they'll put the two girls on to have the regular match before they put the eight girls on to have the fucking no-D-Q match, and that's all I got to say about that. Well, it's a fatal four-way. Is that no-d-Q? Of course it is. Because it's fatal, because of the risk of fatality? Well, if it's fatal, how can you be disqualified if it's fatal? See?

All right. Think about that. No, all the four ways and three ways and five ways are no disqualification. Do what you want, bring what you want. All toys are allowed, whatever the case. Jim and a match with no stipulation, no championship, and seemingly no reasoning. My God, I remember when they used to have those.

Seth Rollins versus Gunther. That's going to be a great match because it's Gunther, and Seth is going to be over like Rover. And, you know, or at least his song will be over like Rover. Well, no, they're so, this is the most dedicated fans spending the most money. He's come back triumphant from an injury, sustained in the line of duty. They're going to love him. They're going to have him kissing their babies and fucking dating their women, whatever the case.

They're going to love him. And it's going to be a good match, but it just got sprung on us. So I don't think anybody's like, oh, God, I can't wait to see that. For the Women's World Championship, Stephanie Vicaro the champion versus the possibly concussed Liv Morgan. headbutts legal. Live does not, well, I can't say that. You say to the boys, you don't have a hair on your balls if you don't so-and-so, but Liv Morgan better give Stephanie a goddamn receipt in this one.

I'm not talking about giving her goddamn brain damage. I think she needs to punch her to fucking face real good once. All right, that was your prediction for that match. And finally, Jim, the main event of night one Saturday, April 18th, WrestleMania, Vegas, whatever number this is, for the undisputed WWE championship, the champion Cody Rhodes

versus Randy Orton with Pat McAfee. Boy, howdy. Now that you've laid out the first, before we comment on this match, now that you've laid out the first night, that's a rough first fucking night, isn't it? because it seems light yeah we we kind of want to see drew and fatu because we like drew and fatu and they rhyme but it it you know that's going to be apparently opening the show i i'm not

anxious to see the usos you know and and speedy uh there's three girls matches what the fuck else was there that you just read to me and that's how the six men with speedy well I just mentioned that and Gunther and Seth yes so we're really watching that fucking four hour extravaganza

to see Gunther and Seth because it'll be a good match and then Cody and Orton huh it'll be a long weekend well that's night one at least it starts early 6 p.m. Eastern. Well, and let's make a prediction here, I think Orton's going to fucking win it.

Kind of has to, doesn't he? And well, and the problem is is that if McAfee was not involved in this in any way and this whole thing had not happened and they'd just done Cody and Orton right?

Or just told more of their story and just Orton cutting these promos and the relationship they'd had, I think it would be great, and I think it'd be put the time to put the belt on Orton. And Orton would be a major baby face leading to dropping it to a younger heel, maybe later on in a year.

And Randy's still kind of a major baby face, but he's got the baggage around his neck of the fans that want to cheer for Randy, wish that Pat McAfee would engage in self-immolation. Look it up, kids, and just dis-a-fucking peer. And so they've just, they've muddied it. So I still think Randy ought to win, but they're not apparently going in a direction

that they ought to fucking gone. Because of the publicity. I don't remember, too, it's only a few years ago they made WrestleMania two nights. for many, many years it was one night. Jim, let's talk about night two WrestleMania Vegas Sunday, April 19th, 6 p.m. Eastern Time

the first hour on ESPN. I'm not even going to go through it. Brock Lesner versus Obafemi. Oh, you know what they're going to do, don't you? I bet you. I bet you they're going to put that on ESPN. so that they can crow about the incredible audience that it got.

What do you think? It's an interesting pick to put this match on ESPN. You can argue that Brock Leisner may have more crossover to the general sports fan than most wrestlers on these shows because of his UFC background, and his name has been out there in the ether for a long time. But also, Jim, during the first hour on ESP,

Well, and by the way, I should say, are we all in agreement that if Obafemi doesn't win this somehow, he doesn't have to power bomb Brock and leave him laying flat of his fucking back and then desecrate Heyman's mouth over the top of him, but he needs to win the fucking match and get his hand up, even if Brock is sitting there shocked and stunned. Are we at agreement of this that they're insane if they do anything else? I think so, although it's interesting because... Oba has gotten the best of Brock every single time they've interacted. And then Brock's going to lose the match too.

I agree with you that it's the right thing to do for Oba. But it's just, I mean, they've never used Brock Lesnar like this ever. It's kind of stunning. Well, but at the same time, when you think of him, never used him like this, he's taken like five bumps. See, that's the thing. they've done this so well that it's bigger in people's minds than what they've actually done.

He's power bombed Brock. And then he fucking dropped him through the fucking, but it's just one or two moves. They have settled nothing. And the way that they've done it, there's always people in the way. And I think Brock will probably waltz Oba across Texas, as Ernie Ladd would say.

During the match, again, short, high impact, exciting. You want Oba to sell being beaten, but you don't want Oba to sell immobile, unmoving, and just obvious on its back like a turtle jeopardy can't get up. So it'll be boom, boom, boom, boom, smash mouth, whatever. But in the end, after Brock has hit fucking Oba with a couple of F5s and goddamn runs at him to give him the big one and Oba comes out of nowhere with that one big pop-up boom one, two, three.

That's, it's going to be something to that. Jim also on ESPN during that first hour for the Intercontinental Championship in a ladder match. Oh, Christ. Who is the champion? Oh, the champion, Penta. Exactly.

Who is the champion? Versus J.D. McDunna. Versus Dragon Lee. Versus Javan Evans. Oh. Versus Reim Mysterio versus Rusev. Oh, Christ. What?

Rusev in a ladder match with... What the fucker? They try to get rid of him? Somebody's got to catch every jumping guy. But fuck, who's going to catch him with his fat fucking asses up on top of that ladder. I don't like to see Ray Mysterio in these multiple man goofy ladder positions because he's going to get hurt. Again.

And I'd love to see Javon Evans doing something with someone else in a like wrestling match type of thing. But, oh, geez, no, that's six of them, right? in a ladder match. That is indeed six people, yes. Well, everybody wants to be on the show. So I'm hoping for Javon to win just because he's the only one I really want to see, do anything,

out of that bunch. Well, Jim, the card that will only be on the ESPN app, not on free TV, Finn Baller versus Dominic Mysterio. It'll be swell. For the WWE Women's Championship, the champion Jade Cargill versus Ria Ripley.

Okay, I'm hoping that they come to their senses and the Jade experiment with being the champion is over and she's going to be a heel over, there with her baddies or whatever K Fabe and Mia Yom are, but yeah, the

belt probably needs to come back to Ria Ripley at this point. Jim for the United States Championship, the champion Sammy Zane versus Trick Williams. I guess I thought they made this a three-way. I guess they didn't with Carmelo. No, remember Sammy had to match with Carmelo and

Mello turned to you. yellow. Sammy versus Trick. Are they, is this going to be a double turn? It almost, it's going to be a double turn into people's minds. Where are they at? They're in Las Vegas. They at Las Vegas.

They ain't in fucking Canada anymore. Tric Williams is going to be the goddamn baby face and Sammy because of what they've been doing. It's not like this is, people just hate Sammy, but, you know, they're, they're going to boo his out. And finally, Jim, for the world... Finally, that's it? For the World Heavyweight Championship,

the champion CM Punk versus Roman Rains. Well, I take back what I said about the first night. The second night seems a little light, too. Now, again, we are talking about we're over a week away from WrestleMania. I don't want them to add any more. God damn, these shows will be six hours each. I'm just saying, baby... Eh?

but yes Roman Raines CM Punk that's the night two main event that's with these promos and these guys and that level of engagement that's what it is and that's probably the most interesting one what the fuck is going to happen I'm not sure

because I don't I don't think necessarily they need to take the belt off of punk and put it on Roman Raines to show up every so often, but who's to say that they can't pay them to start showing up more often since they got more money

than the fucking federal government. But think about this. When they invented the world heavyweight title and put it on Seth, so you could be the working man's title or whatever, it was because that Roman Raines had the W.W.E. Championship that was the most important and had been around for all these low these many years. And we were sitting here going, well, and Seth is just,

he's doomed because nobody takes his belt seriously. Now the way that they worked it out, the main event of night one is for the W.W.E. Championship that Cody got to win by finishing in his story. But the biggest match at night two is for that World Heavyweight title and Roman Raines is challenging for it. Well, there is. There you go. WrestleMania, Las Vegas, or just Vegas, it says here.

Well, Jim, as we are recording, a lot of listeners are sending this over. I'd like to get your thoughts if you wouldn't mind. Rick Flair has issued a missive. Oh, on social media one hour ago as we are recording. Obviously the first letter of every word is in caps. I woke up this morning to find out that I'm no longer allowed to be with roots of fight per WWE. Let me think. I'm the only wrestler to ever be on 30 for 30 and ranked in the top 25 of all time. An enemy nominated documentary,

courtesy of WWE, which I should have won, but I lost to a team, not an individual. 21 world championships, but I always played by your rules and kept it at 16. Paid Vince McMahon back 800,000. Wait, man, that just, that was a depth charge. That just sunk in on me. Paid Vince McMahon back $800,000 when he said he would forgive it. I honored it. Fortunately, I still make $1 million from the great Ryan Fitterman,

Fitterman Sports Group, $500,000 from Rick Flair Drip. And thank God for Tony Com. What more of my legacy do you want to destroy, WWE? You all grew up loving me, and I set the bar. now you are all trying to kill me and diminish my legacy thank you but it ain't happening

nice try LFG and then it says here Nick Conn is an Egyptian I don't know no no I I don't added that but what are your thoughts apparently Rick Flair once again has fallen out with WWE

well what okay what is Roots of Fight, I've heard this phrase, but is this a clothing line? What is happening here? According to what I'm seeing here, the first thing that comes up when I Google it is the rock wearing one of their shirts. Roots of Fight is a media, lifestyle, and apparel brand that celebrates the improbable achievements of today's most legendary athletes, innovators, and dot, dot, dot, well so is flare under how can they prevent him it did roots roots did roots some fight get an exclusive deal with the wwe and and they've eagged flare out is

flare is not under contract to wwe where they can tell him not to do stuff because elsewise they would have told him not do a lot of things here lately. If you go to Roots of Fight, if you Google it, one of the options that comes up is wrestling, and here are some of the shirts they have for sale on their website. Roddy Piper, C.M. Punk. Randy Savage. More Savage, more Piper. And again, I know Randy Savage is represented, his estates represented by an agency. Piper was represented by his kids. I don't know who else is.

Brett Hart. Randy, the Giant, his daughter owns the rights. licenses it out. CM Punk, Brett Hart, Ray Mysterio, nothing official WWE that I'm seeing,

but apparently Rick Flair may have had to deal with them, and apparently WWE told him he's not allowed to. Well, I wonder what prompted that. If there, if roots of fight is associated with all these other people, some are under contract to WWE and some that are not

why are they telling Rick Flair or is that what Roots of Fight may be telling Rick Flair? I don't know. This doesn't make a lot of sense. I would think that if Rick Flair has a legends deal of any sort with WWE, it would violate it for him to go have an independent T-shirt deal with Roots of Fight or whatever it is. That would be my thought.

I know Andre the Giant is no exclusivity. That's why there's lots of independent Andre the Giant merch. Randy Savage, same thing. How is, but how is there, the legends deals, are they more restrictive now than they used to be? Because a legends deal used to be, well, we'll give you, you know, X and we'll book you for appearances and we'll sell some merchandise for you, but it wasn't like you can't enter into other agreements if you want to, etc. Now, that was the way they used to be. Maybe they ain't that way no more. but how the fuck would

I'm just saying why would they say oh don't do any more flare fucking shirts fuck him unless there's more to the story what are your thoughts on 21 world championships but I always played by your rules and kept it at 16

I think that he's he's fucking pissed I'm just trying to figure out what else there is to the story but yeah you know he's flexing his documentary and all that other stuff

like who did you ever beat it's funny too after all of his like money flexes I make a million dollars from this 500,000 from that and thank God for Tony Kahn how would I be able to make ends meet on only 1.5 million and I mean is this one

But is he working for AEW now? Still is what, I mean, I thought that thing went by the wayside long ago. I don't know. After the, what was his, it was the Rick Flair drip over or whatever? Wu energy. Wu energy. I don't know what happened, but apparently Rick Flair, and he sent this out with an image. You may have seen it before.

It's him driving in his car. It's a fan image, I think, in the, the late 70s, early 80s, he's wearing a suit with a turtle knife blowing a kiss. And it has the roots of wrestling logo here, and it says roots of fight.com,

victory, defeat, style, and swagger. Diamonds are forever, and so is Rick Flair. And apparently this is not on their website right now, so I don't know where this came from. I understand some people are getting into using AI for their social media advertising these days. He may have placed himself into that. Well, we will see what happens any further with Rick Flair here and this sort of bizarre activity.

But Jim, maybe part of the problem is Rick Flair's management of money. I mean, he said it here. Everyone always talks about his spending. When someone loans you $800,000 and says, don't worry about it, keep it. And you go, no, I insist, let me give it back to you. Maybe you are really bad with money. And maybe it all starts in your pocket. Ah, with the way you carry around the money.

I would agree that most of the things that have caused Flair trouble started in the vicinity of his pocket. Well, Jim, of course, for those at home who need a good wallet, a compact wallet, a stylish and functional wallet, and nothing overbearing, not too much, not your grandfather's wallet with every business card he's ever collected. Our friends at Ridge Wallet are there to hook everyone up. Well, no, because, see, here's the thing. every business card that your grandfather ever collected, all those people are dead too.

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And again, you can anally insert or not. It's up to your description. Oh, Jesus Christ. No, don't do that. Well, if you're going to jail, they'll never find it that way. Well, Jim, I feel like you're in podcasting jail right now. Why don't we play some guests to program? Hey, that sounds like a wonderful idea.

It's been a minute since we played. Let me get my programs out here. We do deserve having a little frolicy fun with the listeners, with one of our favorite segments and one of their favorite segments as we go through the anals of wrestling history. Of course, guess the program. I go through programs in my collection.

I quiz Jim on the lineup, and he guesses the town, the date, the location, and anything else he could figure out. Let's go to this first card here, Jim. Hold on, I've got my pen here. Where's my pen? My pen? There's my pen. Now I've got paper.

Now I'm ready to go. One fall 30-minute match, 30-minute time limit, excuse me, Billy Red Top Lions versus Ian Campbell. Ooh. There's a lot of wind behind me, I apologize. Jace. It's hot air. One fall, no time limit.

Country boy Calhoun versus Frank Hewitt. Oh. The double-stop. semi-final, two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit, Tor Yamato versus Tinker Todd, and the main event, death struggle, Texas rules, Buddy Rogers versus the Zebra Kid.

Okay, I, first of all, am flabbergasted for a reason that I will reveal later, but Billy Red Lions, obviously, was a great baby face. He was originally from Canadian Ontario, correct? And transitioned into being one of the early agents for the WWF, do its commentary, etc. Ian Campbell, is that Black Angus? That's Black Angus, right?

I would believe so, yes. who was big as a heel in the Central States territory in the 60s. This is probably early in his career because they're calling Billy Red Lions, Billy Red Top Lions, and Country Boy Calhoun would indicate that that's early in Haystack's Calhoun's career. And that takes it to go ahead. I'll give you a clue because there's a picture of him. him in here. Country boy Calhoun is pictured with his manager, Count Rossi. Oh, good Lord. Okay.

Count Rossi was one of the early managers and he was primarily in the Tennessee territory working for Nick Gullis, which this is where we are at this point in time, not necessarily Tennessee, but a Nick Gullis production. Frank Tarzan Hewitt was a old-timer, a traveling journeyman heel. Tor Yamato was the Japanese heel that got over strong in the Nashville territory for Goulas and Welch in the late 50s. And he was so over that when P. Y. Chung came in. into the guless territory, they renamed him Tojo Yamamoto. And Tori Yamato got killed, did he not?

Died in early death. What am I thinking about? Was it his wife shot him? Was that the deal? Or am I conflating that with someone else? You're not helping me any, are you? I'm trying to look it up because I'm not sure. I actually don't know. And while you're looking at Tinker Todd was a journeyman wrestler that appeared everywhere. But it fits the time frame

that he would have been in the Goulous territory also. And Buddy Rogers against the Zebra Kid, did you say this was for, what was the stipulation? The stipulation, death struggle, Texas rules. So basically an offshoot of the Texas death match. I would assume that zebra kid was George Bolus. at the time period, but you never know with Nick.

But point being, I think this was 1959 in Birmingham, Alabama. All right. The town, Memphis, Tennessee. God damn it. May 6, 1957. Oh. Promoter or Les Wolf.

You know what? In that case, then, would you say April? May. That was May 6, 1957. May 6th, this was earlier in the month before Roy Welch bought the town and took over from Les Wolf. Buddy Rogers was working regularly in Memphis at that time, and so was Calhoun. I should have thought of that. God damn it. What threw me off was Tori Yamato. Who was shot by his wife? Who was shot by his wife? There you go, who was shot by his wife. But I thought this would be Birmingham or potentially Nashville because all these guys were working for Nick at that point in time,

but this was, as I said, Memphis a couple weeks before Roy took Oak. All right. And it says it's the biggest card of 1957 at the Ellis Auditorium. Also, country boy Calhoun, 552 pounds from Georgia, makes his debut here tonight, meeting Frank Tarzan. Hewitt in a one fall special event. Calhoun has never been defeated in his nine months of professional wrestling. He is the largest man in the wrestling game today.

Hewitt weighs in at 250. By the way, for a little while in the territory at that time, they had Calhoun and Buddy Rogers as a team. Can you imagine that? No. I cannot. The referee for the card tonight, Billy Darnell. Star Heavyweight Matman will referee the entire card.

And Buddy Rogers' best friend and favorite opponent. There we go. There was that one. All right, that sucks so far. It was good. You got, you know, the fact that you got the ghoulous territory, although technically not ghoulous yet, I thought that was closer than I thought you may get. So that was very good.

Jim, this next one may be difficult. Adolf von Hess versus Tony Cassenza. Jesus. Johnny Walker versus Ivan Mellencalf. Alexander the Great versus Miguel Torres.

Jesus. Tag team match, two out of three falls. Mr. Puerto Rico and Ricky Hornado versus... Come on! That's his name, versus Augustus Masa and Al Toro, and the main event, one fall to a finish,

Antonino Raca versus Tony Altamori. Good Lord. Okay. Obviously, Johnny Walker would go on to become Mr. Wrestling 2, and actually would go on just to become Johnny Rubberman Walker because this was early in his career because elsewise, Rocka wouldn't be on the card. And I don't know, Miguel Torres,

was he a Northeastern enhancement talent, as they say, or am I even misremembering that? But no, I don't have a fucking clue who any of these goddamn people are. And Rocca and Tony Altimore, that's why I would think it was it some kind of outlaw show in New Jersey right after

Raqa left, fell out with Vince Seniors, like 63, 64, because Tony Altimore is on it. Or would it just be an outlaw show in some other part of the, world that brought Raca in and Tony Altimore came as an opponent for him. Out of Passaic, New Jersey at a National Guard Armory in 1964. I don't know.

Not bad. The date Tuesday, March 10th, 1964, Bay Ridge Sports Center, Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Holy shit! This is a Jim Crockett Senior promoted card in the WWF territory. it's even the same look at the program, the star wrestling program. You probably have seen these a lot of the Willie Gilsenberg programs.

But this is Raka going up against Vince McMahon. But none of these guys, besides possibly Johnny Walker, were working the Carolina territory at that time or at any time. To your knowledge, right? So this wasn't like Crockett was bringing the crew he had in the Carolinas at that time up there.

He was just running shows with Raca, and that would have been a period of time when Tony Altimore was on the outs with Vince Senior, and then just whoever? That's insane. Well, it seems like that, Jim. Let's get another program here. Good job, though.

Well, thank you very much. The opening contest, Terry Shane and the Texan versus Penny Mitchell and Terry Allen, Mixed Tag Team title match. Oh. Title match, huh? Charlie Cook and Scott McGee versus Kevin Sullivan

and Snake Roberts. Barry Windham versus Jim Garvin. A grudge match. Cowboy Ron Bass versus Kendo Nagasaki. And finally a special challenge match.

Dusty Roads, and R. Jones versus N. R stands for guts. Versus Angelo Mosca and Ernie Ladd. Oh, Lord, you're, you're taking it easy on me here because this has to be Florida. Already, but now the question is, because there was so many big buildings in Florida, this is a pretty heavy card. Terry Allen is Magnum TA in the opening match with Charlie Cook was a former NFL football player

that worked well in the Georgia, Florida, Tennessee Territories, 70s into the early 80s, Scott McGee. Kevin Sullivan and Jake Roberts, obviously, this was when Kevin was probably first starting his otherworldly dark. side group that he had of people hanging around him. Barry Windham and Jimmy Garvin. Barry would be the baby face, which means this was the start of probably Jimmy Garvin

morphing into gorgeous Jimmy Garvin because he had been a baby face up until very recently. Ron Bass and Kendo Nagasaki, that narrows it down a little bit because Kendo Nagasaki was in Florida in 81, 82, because he made a couple of shots in Tennessee being managed by J.J. Dillon against Lawler when they were trading talent. And then finally, Dusty and Rufus R. Jones against Mosca and the big cat, honey lad.

Dusty was the Booker at this point, which means that it is right before that he left Florida to go to work for Crockett. So it seems late for me to say 1983, but it seems early for me to say I'm going to say late 1982 is the time in Miami Beach, Florida. Not bad.

The date Tuesday, November 23rd, 1982, Tampa Fort Hesterly Armory I was 240 miles off That you got late 82 That's what counts Alright Jim this next one I'm sure will be a layup for you

Let me get the card You know boy here we go Another fucking Mystery Bunch Lager Larson Versus Henry Strong Boy Lens Feature attraction Tough Tony Born

versus Nelson Royal. Special event. Dano McDonald versus Mighty Milo. And the main event for a title I will not name versus a state champion I will not name. Pat O'Connor,

I'll just say it, the World Heavyweight Champion. Well, yeah, I was about to say. versus Bill Melby, best two out of three falls, one hour sanctioned by the NWA. Well, Lager Larson and Tony Bourne indicate, Tony Bord is forever linked with the Pacific Northwest and Oregon. They have lumberjacks up there, and that's where Lager Larson might have come from. Mighty Milo was not Milo Steinborn. He would have been too old at this point. So I'm not sure who that was.

Dano McDonald. Nelson Royal being on the card against Tony Bourne. I would think that Nelson Roy would be the baby face and Tony Bourne would be the heel if this was early enough. But then later on, Tony could have become the baby face. This could have been when Nelson Royal was doing his Sir Nelson. and Royal British heel gimmick. But regardless,

Pat O'Connor being the world champion narrows down the time frame somewhat, but at the same time, are we in the Pacific Northwest, or is this a red herring on your part? Would this be?

Oh, fuck it. I got nothing else to go on. in 1960 in Portland, Oregon. The date Friday, February 20th, 1959. Salt Lake City, Utah. Oh, fuck. Bill Melby was the Utah state champion. You know what I was going to say, I never knew anything ever happened in Salt Lake City,

but wasn't Bill Melby popular in that area when they actually did have fucking wrestling in Salt Lake City. Bill Melby was a big star that's forgotten today, but if you look at the cards he was on, some of the houses,

you could say he helped draw in the 50s, the early television era, he was a pretty big star. I mean, especially in the Midwest and places of that nature, especially.

And obviously I'm giving you too many easy ones here. This one, Jim, the first match. Are these just the main events or is this the whole card? Hold on. Oh, boy.

That, da, da, da, da, da, da. All right, first match, main event. Two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit. Billy Sharbert versus Johann von Brauner. Oh, Christ, on a cracker. And the main event, four-man tag match, two out of three falls, 60-minute time limit. Buddy Hack and Larry Clark

versus Salvador Martinez and Davy Crockett. That's it? That's it. You may have to go based on your knowledge of television more than your knowledge of wrestling to figure out this one. Okay.

Buddy Hack is a name that I actually recognized because Buddy Hack was an outlaw indie guy that worked Western Kentucky and some in Tennessee. and was on a lot of the early Phil Golden's All-Star wrestling cards that when he tried to compete with Jarrett in the early 70s in Louisville and places in Kentucky, again, Johann von Brauner would have been somebody trying to be one of the Von Brauners, Kurt and Carl von Brauner, Sal Martin, no idea.

So I've got to think that this was a probably buddy hack who used to, to run his own outlaw shows may have run this and with five of his friends. Paducah, Kentucky, 1968. Oh, wow. What? Just how far off you are. Oh, all right.

Jim Wednesday, October 3rd, 1956. What? Davy Crockett's on the show. Let me remind you. Bowling Green, Kentucky. Oh, my God. This is the Bowling Green Wrestling Journal. Devoted to wrestling, the only year-round sport.

So again, I said Buddy Hack was in Kentucky Outlaw for a long time. I didn't realize he went that far back because I was watching him on, like I said, on Phil Golden's TV in 1972. But yeah, none of these people were. And Nick Goulis used to run Bowling Green regularly out of Nashville. So these were, it wasn't like they were the only wrestling game in town and they were still trying to draw a house.

Says here Davy Crockett switches sides and chooses to wrestle the rough way. He has Salvador Martinez for his partner in a tag match on Wednesday. And there it is. Bowling Green, Kentucky. All right, let me give you one more, one more, Jim.

You're doing some... One more. All right, this is a cool one. The first event, Benny Mata, versus the Mongolian. who was from Mongolia. Oh, okay. I thought most of the Mongolians came from Italy.

In a special match, Jim, Billy Boy Hines versus Wild Man Phillips. From Kentucky. A six-man tag match, Dickie Steinborn, Chief Little Eagle, and Bob Boyer, versus Dutch Savage, Dale Lewis, and Peppy Gomez. For a title I will not name the champion Bob Orton versus the challenger Nick Kozak.

And finally, a battle of the neck breakers. Freddie Blassie, 231 out of St. Louis versus Mario Galento, 219, the Bronx. Okay. Thank you for giving me that because I was all over the place up till,

well, Benny Mata versus the Mongolian, who knows? Raul Mata was a star, Benny was not. Billy Boy Heinz was a, they were, the Heinz brothers were a tag team, Billy Boy and Bad Boy Heinz. And they worked a lot of southern territories in the 60s. Dick Steinborn was Milo Steinborn's legitimate son. Milo Steinborn not only an old-time wrestler, but a famous strong man,

and who did feats of strength and got written up in various magazines in the 30s and 40s, and then was a main event wrestling star also. But later on became a promoter in the Florida, territory for Eddie Graham. Orlando, wasn't it? Brian, that he promoted.

Algal, a few, he had a few small towns, I believe. His partner's Little Eagle and Bob Boyer, Bob Boyer, the reason I chuckled is because nobody remembers Bob Boyer's name anymore, but he was most famous as Bobby Bold Eagle

with the Indian gimmick for Bruiser and, well, a variety of territories all over the country in the I think probably early 70s through the end of the decade and spent a lot of time in Indianapolis. But he was actually Italian, but he looked great in feathers. He had a cool ring entrance.

He would get up on the apron of the ring, and then he would, in the corner, he would walk right up the ropes like he was just walking up the stairs, bottom rope, middle rope, top rope, and then step off of them. and kind of come down in the ring, not like a big forceful jump in a crouch, but just like he stepped off and floated down.

And with that six-foot-long fucking feather Indian headdress, it was cool. Nevertheless, Dutch Savage would be most particularly known, again, for the Pacific Northwest, but this was early in his career he was still traveling. Dale Lewis, Professor Dale Lewis was an NCAA wrestling champion and it was a pretty big name for a while,

especially late 60s, early 70s in the South. And in Tennessee one time, Brian, they made Dale Lewis and Danny Hodge a tag team for like a month. Can you imagine the guys thinking, I've got to work with Danny Hodge and Dale Lewis. And Pepe Gomez, I'm assuming it was Pepper. This is correct. I assume the same.

There's not a picture of him in the program. Bob Orton, the reason why there's no junior or senior behind that name is because he was the only one at the time. This is Bob Orton Sr. Randy's grandfather against Nick Kozak. You would think that Nick Kozak's name is in Texas because that's where he later on would settle. But this was early in his career. And what helped me, thank you very much. Blassie versus Mario Galento, because now I know whereof we speak, the only question still is

the year, but I'm going to go with the Atlanta City Auditorium somewhere close one side of the other of 1965. Wow, very, very good. A great way to end. We have to end with this one. Friday, September 17th, 1965, Atlanta, Georgia. Lou Thess here next week. And it says here from Paul Jones,

this is exciting news which I had to inform the wrestling fans of Atlanta about. I have succeeded in getting Cowboy Buddy Fuller signed to a contract to wrestle World Heavyweight Wrestling Champion Lou Thess. After weighing the abilities shown in the ring, I had to choose Buddy Fuller, so Thes will certainly have his hands full. If you want to see this match, I advise you to reserve your tickets tonight

and there it is next week Buddy Fuller versus Luthos There you go And I wonder if he hit fucking Thess With that goddamn wraparound rabbit punch Where he's standing in front of you And he hits you at the base of your skull Well Jim, guess the program

We end on a high... Oh hold on we ain't ended yet Wildcard bitches I got something for you We weren't ending the show No we were No I got a guess the program program for you. Oh. I got something for you, baby, right here because our good friend, my close

personal friend, New Zealand wrestling fan and historian Steve Ogilvie. Oh, he's a good guy. I know, Steve. Very good guy. Sent me a package of some stuff. And in exchange, I'm trading some stuff I'm sending to him. And he sent this to me. And I just want to read you this card here. where do you see if you can figure out where and when it took place? The opening match, Brian, a captain's match between the girls tag teams. Well, more on that later. So it's basically one of the girl tag team members against the other girl tag team member in the captain's match, right?

The next match, Ray Vilmer versus Chief Sunni. War Cloud. The next match, the World's Championship Girls Tag match. That's exactly what it says. Jesus. Kay Noble and Laura Martinez, the challengers

challenging Penny Banner and Lorraine Johnson. That's the card. That's the card. Okay. Hold on. Hold on. Kay Noble, who's K-Nobles' partner? Laura Martinez. Laura Martinez.

Laura Martinez. It's not that it's going to help me writing this down. I don't know what. Penny Banner, the real thing I'm thinking about, let me just say I'm not going to get this because this is an impossible card for most people to figure out.

But Chief Sunni Warcloud is pulling me to the Carolinas for whatever reason, and maybe that's wrong. Penny Banner ended up there, but that wasn't the entirety. I mean, Elvis liked her. Ray Wilmer

was kind of everywhere for, I could think of multiple places Ray Vomer was in the early 60s. I'm going with 1961, a small town in North Carolina. And you are incorrect on everything. Ah, fuck. But, no, what, this was meant to be a rib on you. But what this is, it's something that Steve sent me. This was the armory, later to become the Louisville Gardens

in Louisville, Kentucky. Oh my God. That was the card. And it is, it's actually on a postcard. This was mailed out from the Golden Rod Athletic Club, 525 West Walnut Street, Louisville, Kentucky. That's the address of the gardens, which was the armory back then. But this was November 11th. And I'm not sure of the year because it doesn't have it on it.

but this was right after the period of time. Louisville had been promoted by the Allen Athletic Club. The Haywood Allen was the promoter. We've talked about it in the past. And when he retired, his assistant, Francis McDonough continued on. And they, the Allen Athletic Club ran Louisville from the early 30s until 1957. And when Francis McDonough died in 1957, that's when things went belly up.

There was always a strong local promotion in Louisville for that period of time. And they had ups and downs. And we've talked about they had outdoor shows at small parks that they'd cancel because of lack of attendance. But then they'd have runs of years where they'd run the armory, 6,000 seat building almost every week. And the Derby Eve, shows the night before the Kentucky Derby that they ran in the early 50s bringing

Thess in to defend the title or Baron Leone or the big stars off television, they ended up peaking out in the mid-50s at like 8,000 to 9,000 people before the renovations on the garden, the armory could hold for wrestling that many of the, it was jammed. But then suddenly when the local promoter dies, we Willie Davis, who not only was a former pro wrestler and was one of the guys who had a tug of war with Mighty Joe Young in the movie, was working for the sheriff's department in Louisville. And he tried to become the local promoter and formed the Goldenrod Athletic Club to try to start, you know, running the town. And the reason it was named Goldenrod Athletic Club, We Willie Davis was like 6'5'9 and 350.

pounds but he had been on one of the I've got a secret or one of the 50s TV quiz shows because he was an expert in horticulture and flowers and the point is he

shit the fucking bed and Louisville was dead and that's why that Barnett and his giant Midwest territory started running sending talent down here.

But there was just no local promotion. Davis was not up to it, whatever the parameters were. And then when Bruiser took over in 64, it was the same thing. They just sent three match cards. They didn't give a shit. And except for a period of time

where Barnett was sending the talent in in the early 60s, and they did some big Christmas shows. Louisville was kind of, until Bruiser quit running it and Jarrett came along and opened back up in 1970. But this was

the kind of cards they were seeing after they'd been used to while Bill Longson and Luthez and fucking all these top names from St. Louis and all the big booking offices. They got Ray Vilmer and the girls tag team championship.

Well, to be fair, this is only a few years after Mildred Burke drew 50,000 people to Louisville. Oh, come on now. thought the women would really draw a big house here. It wasn't 50. It was 43. No. But anyway, and the biggest, as big as the card for November 11th is the ad,

don't wrestle with inferior windows and doors. Call Frank Skroy at JU7-8819. Franks-Croy was from Louisville and he had broken in and become a wrestler in the mid-50s. He never really went anywhere, but he had a job at, Arthur G. Eller Window and Door Company at 710 East Broadway in Louisville, and they took out an ad with his wrestling picture to try to sell windows and doors to the fucking wrestling fans. He later would become the chairman of the State Athletic Commission.

Well, that was guest to program, and he may have been able to sell windows and doors, and maybe it's because he was listening to motivational speeches on his Raycon earbuds, or perhaps not because that was a long time ago, but of course ladies and gentlemen out there, whether music or podcasts or motivational speeches, you need to listen to what you need to listen to with the right device.

Jim, I'm turning it over to you. Well, I'll tell you what, I'll turn that thing over and find a snake under that rock. You know, with Mother's Day coming up, it's a great time of the year to give mom something to listen to, to keep her busy. and also just to keep her entertained, so you don't have to.

And that's why it's a wonderful gift. This is the only gift that you can get your mother that both fits into her everyday life and fits into her ears. Because think about it, when she's going out for a walk, she's running the errands, whatever she's doing, the Racon everyday earbuds classic are a great option. She sticks them right in. That's all she's listening to. She don't know what's going on in the world.

All the bad news, the strife, the heartache. Everybody's got heartaches by the numbers, but she'll be listening to numbers by Pat Boone and the Andrews sisters and Lawrence Wilk and all of her favorites. How old's your mom? Well, it depends on how old you are, Brian. There's a certain biology that has to be followed.

Your mother can't be just given birth to you at 86 years old. But do you think there's any mom today that are like, let me go listen to Pat Boone and the Andrews sisters. I don't know. Well, baby, it's grandmother. You know my grandmother would be 141 years old this year if she hadn't been dead for 50 fucking years. See how that works?

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Let's focus on the true. Focusing on the battery life. Yes, 32 hours of battery life. And the quick charge function where 10 minutes gives you 90 minutes of playtime. So you can charge this sucker for 10 minutes. minutes and then listen to an entire double album by Pink Floyd. And the awareness mode when you're out walking the dog or running the errands, let you turn the awareness mode on when you're walking the dog.

Every time the dog shits, it gives you a little signal. Dog shit. And every time that, you know, if there's a car coming down the roads, get the fuck out of the way. Once again, they've asked us to not make up features, let alone feature. Is that supposed to be a parrot? What is that voice exactly? that you're doing that's supposed to be the Raycon.

It's the AI electronic voice that tells you that to make you aware. That's what the awareness is for to keep you aware. So it's going to tell you things that you need to be aware of. Doc, safe's coming. Whatever. Let's not talk about features that don't exist. I think that's one of the things that. And then sometimes you can hear your wife, Polly want a divorce.

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These may not be exactly the selling points or the facts or the truth, but what we can say that's truthful is we love our Raycons. They are very popular here in this house. I've got my pair. they are on lockdown now, but the rest of my family have their own pairs of Raycon after years of stealing mine. I know for a fact that Castle Cornett love their Raycon, Stacey Cornett loves

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it gives you kind of a tickly little vibration. And then you start getting sexually aroused. And then you attract attention on the bus because they don't know what you're listening to. You make it different. I pull you back and you jump right back over the line. But Jim, we are right here at the end of our line. And we have to let the listeners know about a great deal,

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All right, we are here in the future. to stop? We are in the future, and we are still going. I guess that's the point, ladies and gentlemen, and... Boy, is this going to stop? That's a quote that you should save and clip for later. All right. Well, let's get to some of the later. It sounded like an Erwin Allen production over there. Well, thank you. That's actually what I was going for, and that's the name of my new album. It sounds like an Irwin Allen production over there. The sounds of the great Brian last. Stay tuned. That's coming on Arcadian Vanguard Records and Tapes. Jim... Real quick, because we can't go through everything, but I find it amusing, and I enjoy laughing about it with you.

The latest Power Town update. Oh, boy. Magnum T.A. did an interview. I did not watch it. I read plenty of recaps about it. And it's him explaining why he left Power Town, but also not telling anyone not to support Power Town. But the big story is Steve Rosenthal did an interview. Oh, and I don't have it in front of me, or I'd give him. credit to the person who did the interview. But the interview is...

Well, I don't know if it was an interview or a fucking dissertation, a monologue, a soliloquy. I mean, this guy sounds like Tony Kahn by transcript. It was just endless, endless transcripts of him saying same thing three times in a row, and then moving on. But also changing things. Like in one sentence, he says that all the Remco figures are done and that everyone will be getting them. And then in the next sentence, they're in production.

What? They were just done a second ago, like literally a second ago. Now they're in production. And this whole thing still feels scummy. According to Steve Rosenthal, the head of Powertown, they used the pre-order money, or at least a good portion of it, to buy either the rights to or license the trademarks of Hasbro, the original San Francisco toy company

Glob so that they can release figures What about Gleet? Did they get any deals done with Gleet? You know, real quick on this topic because when we first heard about Gleet, I believe, and you can correct me if I'm wrong from what you remember, we heard about it as being one of the newest, the latest, the greatest women's promotions in Japan, correct?

That's what I believe that it was at the time, yes. Someone sent a, I think it was the Culta Cornette Facebook page a couple months ago, or maybe a month ago, a gleepe poster and it was all guys on the poster. Talk about changing your marketing strategy. Yeah, that really changes things. That's a real rebranding if I've ever seen one. Now they should be glute. One of Steve Rosenthal's reasons for doing this were so bizarre, I have to bring it up. he licensed the name and the trademark of Hasbro, the logo of Hasbro, so that they could put out their version of the classic Hasbro retro figures

that we always talk about here on the show. And because they'll have the Hasbro logo, they can give Hasbro some money because they deserve money due to the popularity of retro figures. It's the most bizarre argument I've ever seen. Yeah, he was like, we deserved it. they deserve to get something out of this also. They're iconic.

One of the one of the, of the fans who listened to this caca pointed out that he said outright in basically these words that they took all that pre-order money and originally it was just going to be a one and done thing for him. He's in his 70s. They were just going to do those figures and it boom.

But then they were just going to do those figures and it boom. But then they realized we can make a big company out of this. Well, I'm in this for the long haul. And so they took the pre-order money and licensed all the names and rights and clearances to this other shit without sending the people the stuff that they had paid for. Because he's making it a bigger company now, Pinocchio. Is this what you gathered from that, from his own chicken lips? Again, there's a lot to be gathered here.

and let's give credit. It's from wrestling figure news, wrestling figure news.com, the headline power town. Steve Rosenthal speaks on Remko's path forward, had new licenses, and investors.

Hosted April 4th, 2026. And again, he does give his version of events. At times you're reading it, you're like, this guy's a bullshit artist. This guy is just a complete dirty salesman.

And then the next sentence will say, I'm a salesman. So it's really kind of funny. But give the interviewer, and I don't know his name other than this is his website, give him credit. He asked a lot of the tough questions. Here's one of my favorite ones. Where the Remko's produced. Steve Rosenthal's answer, mm-hmm.

That's what it is. M-M-H-M-H-M-M. What kind of fucking answer is that? Where are they? They are at our factory in China, and we are making plans to ship them very, very shortly. So they're getting ready to ship them, but then later on here,

why weren't they shipped in October? Everything had to do with our financials. No shit. They basically were not in production at the time. They are in production now. He's now saying they're in production. He said they're ready to ship a second ago. and we had to make the financial decisions

and plus there was that concrete mm-hmm mm-hmm yeah it's the worst answer he had so much to say about everything and told us like where are they made yeah every other question it was like Tony Khan

answering something about Japanese wrestling and then well did you actually make these things and again he's very big on there figures. I have to say, when they first came out, the belts to me are the best thing. It's the best-looking professional wrestling figure belts I've ever seen. But they're really good, but I don't think, like, I don't think anything from that series one is better than the Abdulah the

butcher or the King Kong Bundy that Zombie Sailor just put out. Like, it's not like they're, like, so much better than everything. And this guy's acting like his stuff is the best thing ever. He's also saying he invented wrestling figures, which is absolutely not true. because they were out in Japan featuring major stars just a few years before Remko but if I scroll down here

because again they're all trying to everyone's trying to get answers his his factory is Lucky Yay you can feel free to look them up online under the Lucky Group they're one of the foremost

manufacturers of action figures in China all right so we need a recon mission to this factory to get these figures apparently, because it doesn't appear they're coming over via any way for Steve Rosenthal. The original San Francisco Toymakers, Hasbro, Galube, apparently a lot of the time they could have been spent making these other figures. They're really proud of the figures they did for Matt Cardona and his friend.

And they made sure those guys got their figures at the same time they didn't do anything else for anyone. Whatever that tells you. Whatever that tells you. Is Cardona's friend? he gets a figure too? Is he, he just gets, what is he a,

the friend figure? Or does he actually wrestle in some description? He's the one apparently that linked them up with TNA. Those TNA figures that never came out with Moose and Jordan Grace

who's no longer there and Josh Alexander who's no longer there and Eddie Edwards. Yeah, Jordan Grace was one of the people wanting to find Steve Rosenthal, Greg Gagnum, TA, anybody, I think at one point,

weren't they? Yeah, but apparently the friend was the one who hooked them up with that deal, which may be why, again, they got favorable treatment from certain people, and you have to ask yourself why did they want to manipulate the market by having these figures that they could take and sell

it an inflated price and on? Who knows what was going on? But that's the story. No one has anything. They're not going away. I mean, I guess if there's anything good to say about it, at least this idiot spoke up. But you... Well, now, and another thing, he did say that everybody's going to get what they paid

for, even though some of it has been for like four years, everybody's going to get what they paid for. And the buck stops with him and he's in charge. And did he give his phone number or email or any way for anybody to contact him? No. No. And by the way, he also, he also basically said he has spent the last several months looking for investors and playing golf. And the last time we heard about him, Magnum, today was like, leave Steve alone. Steve's busy. he really doesn't need anyone to bother him about any of this. All they were doing was taking the money that they raised for pre-orders and the amount of wrestlers that they signed up and trying to hook an investor

instead of taking the money and they're buying these trademarks that mean nothing. Listen to this. Question, so there is still a plan to still take some items to mass retail. Steve Rosenthal? We are going to market the Hasbro property. exactly the way Hasbro marketed it from 1991 to 1994. Those three years between when LJN had it and then Jacks. Let me stop for a second there.

Those golden years. First of all, he's wrong. It was 1990. They introduced them in 1990. It was a big deal. I still remember going to Toys R Us at the end of 89 and being able to get every LJN they had there because they were all dirt cheap because they were getting ready to clear it out.

for the new figures. So he's got the timeline wrong. But going back to his answer, all of those cards are going to be the same. All of the color iterations are going to be the same. Because it's got Hasbro on it. It's the perfect opportunity for retail.

I don't think the Hasbro logo or name is what sold the figures. Yeah, well, here's the problem. You know what I mean? Like, Steve, still, old Steve there, even, I'm glad that he's in good enough shape to play golf. But we figured just by the dates that he was in business that this guy's in his 70s. And now instead of, and you said they took the money. Actually, the only one that we pretty much established has had access to the money is Steve Rosenthal.

That may be why Magnum and Greg are no longer involved. but Steve has brought his friend Donnie in. And Donnie is the key liaison guy with China. Donnie's been going to China. He said, since the mid-70s. What is this guy? Donnie Mendelbaum? You think you're better than me?

How old is this guy, 96? Well, to be fair, he also later on said that Donnie started in the early 80s. So I don't know exactly when he would have been going to China. He's been going to China since the mid-70s, I guess just on vacation, but he started in the toy company in the early 80s, again, from what Steve says. Nobody's seen Donnie. Donnie Brasco, I don't know what his fucking last name is. But Donnie'll straighten this whole thing out as soon as he finishes his metamusal.

What the fuck is going on here? Let me read you this. The question from wrestling figure news, We've seen wrestlers like Ricky Morton and Jordan Grace make comments about the situation with Powertown. How has this affected your relationship with the wrestlers? What's the situation with royalties? That's something that came up this week on the Matt Cardona show. Royalty's getting paid the wrestlers.

And then Steve Rosenthal said, I have to look at the contracts, but even on the talent that we had under contract, royalties are paid when the merchandise is shown. shipped. Now, I'm not using that as an excuse, but anything that we shipped, we've paid royalties to date. Whether the wrestler chose in some cases, they chose to take it in free goods, because they make a lot more money autographing this stuff than they do on just simple royalties, but the Jordan graces, the mooses, they will all be paid. And I have intention, because now we're it's me. To the best of my

ability, reaching out to all of them to make it very, very clear I'm trying to explain to them. I don't think I'm going to be able to sit face to face with Jordan Grace. She'd probably kick the shit out of me. But I definitely have the intention

of trying to reach out to everybody, including Ultras too. The Marty Funk's of the world and some of the estates. Please start by reaching out to Marty Funk and record them. Yeah, start there. Record it. See how far, yeah, record it, audio video, see how far you get with anybody else afterwards if you don't have her money. When we introduced Ultras 1, Charlie Thess, who was Lou Thess's widow, I sent her a check.

She said it was the single biggest check she ever got. And if Lou was alive, it would have been the single biggest check he ever got his entire career. Bullshit! Now I'm just saying Luthes was the number one figure that we sold, but we sold a lot of Luthes. Some people laughed at us for doing Luthez and Vern Gagne. Let's stop there. How could that even be possible? It's not. It's horseshit.

It may be the biggest check Charlie ever got. I'm not sure Charlie ever defended the fucking world title against Baron Leone and Gilmore Field. But, no, they got... Let's just say little birds have mentioned to me that they got a couple of thousand of each of those legends figures they did, the Theses and the, who else was the Brody and a Magnum or whatever. Stan Hanson.

Stan Hanson. Whatever the pre-orders were is what they ordered and what they had. They had to remake some of them because, legs were falling off, but there weren't thousands and thousands and thousands of those figures sold. And remember, I saw the contract that they were sending to talent because I saw Stans. And his would have had to, the fabulous ones figures that they were going to do would have had to sold gross like $2 million for Stan to have got like $25 grand or whatever.

It was ridiculous math. So point being, no, that's not true that that would have been the biggest payoff that Lou Thess ever got. Lou lived a long life and unfortunately due to a couple of previous marriages

and some forays into promotion did not, you know, was not a goddamn multi-millionaire, but he made fucking big money for decades. Jesus Christ. Lou, what was your biggest year? Well, you know, there was the year I fought Ricky Dozan, and there was the year I had all those headline matches in St. Louis,

but Power Town. That's Power Town came into the picture. But, you know, the interview goes on, I encourage everyone to read it. Everyone has been following this story, wrestling figure news, an interview with Steve Rosenthal, who appears to be completely and wildly full of shit.

But let's see. I mean, the one thing that's great for the lawsuit is he keeps saying, you're going to get everything you paid for. I may be giving you false confidence like a, I don't know, confidence, man, but you will get everything you paid for, I promise. People forget what the con stands for. Confidence. When you have confidence in someone, you are theirs.

Well, that's the Power Town Update. We'll have retro figures next week here on the show. Jim, staying on the criminal beat. I have an article here from Essie Scoops by Andrew Ravens, if that is indeed his real name. Alberto Del Rio arrested on domestic violence charges. Wait a minute, isn't this an old story? I've heard this one before.

This is from April 6, so this is just a few days ago. Alberto Del Rio... He keeps repeating himself. then. Alberto del Rio, known as Alberto El Patron, outside of WWE, was arrested on April 6th in San Luis, Potosi,

Mexico, if that's how you pronounce any of that, on alleged domestic violence charges. According to Millennio, which must be a paper, the arrest followed a 911 call from his girlfriend, reporting physical and verbal assault. The report states that woman suffered injuries to her face and arms, state civil guard officers arrived at the scene

during the alleged assault and found the victim showing signs of violence, leading to Del Rio's immediate arrest. The suspect was handed over to the San Luis Potosi State Attorney General's office to face charges. A mugshot has been circulated online, and I have the mugshot right here. This marks the second domestic violence arrest for the former WWE champion. In May of 2020, Del Rio was arrested for allegedly battering and sexually assaulting his girlfriend, facing charges of sexual assault and assault causing bodily harm. He was later indicted by a grand jury and formerly charged with aggravated kidnapping and sexual assault. Those charges were dropped in December 2021.

Del Rio remains active on the independent wrestling circuit, primarily competing in Mexico. He was reportedly planning to open a new promotion prior to this arrest. The whole of the story that I saw or the article or the report or whatever about those charges being dropped on that previous one mentioned because there was a missing witness. And so, this fucking guy

I mean he's he's always in something have you noticed this it's like yeah anybody can make a mistake anybody can be in the wrong place at the wrong time this motherfucker lives in the wrong place and is always on the wrong time because he is a

walking future episode of Dark Side of the Ring yes I mean and I think they haven't done it yet because he's still given him material. But besides that previous incident where, I mean, it was ridiculous. He was telling this woman that he was going to take her son

and drop him off on the side of the road somewhere unless she put on a dress and danced for him. I mean, some kind of... Crazy shit. Lunatic shit. And then not just this now, but think back. When I went over to England to do that commentary on that show that he was on,

that's the only time I met the guy in my life and we didn't have a long conversation. But he was on the show, his arm was all bandaged up because the story that was going around at that point in time. And with retrospect, we have no reason to doubt it, was that Page's brother had cut him the fuck up with a knife for something he had done to page. and I don't know what the specific thing was that he had done to page, Soraya, whichever name that she's using. But he almost ruined her life from the time that they were together. She was all on fucking whatever and getting in the news in the wrong manner. And he's got to be, what, 15 years older than she is.

So that was questionable at best. And then was he not involved in a fight with somebody else where they got him and another wrestler and a police station? Or am I thinking of somebody else? I'm not sure. I know there were incidents with him and Mistico. There was something in the WWE, but I believe there was some sort of incident

where Mistico's friends pulled guns on him. Like before that, like there was been a longstanding heat between these two actions. Who were the guys in the fight in the Mexican police station where they got in a fight and got blood on the walls. Because that was a big report about eight or nine years ago. I'm trying to think of it, because it always seems like it's about Alberto. I apologize if I'm fingering him unnecessarily,

but there's enough to go around. So is this guy, is he, you know, single-handedly keeping the cartel in business? And that's why he acts this way? Or does he really think he's goddamn, you know, Aldo Monta, not Aldo Montoya. What was fucking Scarface's fucking name? Tony Montana.

Tony Montana. Or he may think he's Aldo Montoya. I'm not sure. Jim, in 2016, Alberto Del Rio was involved in a brawl in a police precinct with his brother. There you go. In the police station. You know, when they bought AAA, he was one of the top guys in AAA at the moment. And there were even rumors going around at WWU.

may bring him in and then right away you heard WWE does not want to have anything to do with this guy and they got away from him and look at the trouble like you said it follows him around or obviously he causes it I think he's bringing it with him there were even some things we saw

I think it was at least two or maybe even three different things where it appeared as if Alberto and street clothes on a television set got into a fight with a crew member or another guest and it got real heated and everyone was involved.

And then you hear, oh, it's a work. And I'm thinking, to build up what? What are they promoting? I don't even know, but there's always something to a point where they're doing work shoots where he's getting into fights out there. I think it's just building up his, you know, reputation as a goddamn maniac. And by the way, a legit, tough guy, right? I mean, he did MMA.

Yeah. Good looking guy. You got to give him that. good looking guy. He had everything delivered to him if he had just had his head on straight and been able to fucking keep it going. Yeah, and I mean, he'd be on top of WWW right now.

He wasn't that great a worker, but he's good enough to get by because he had this, he had more size than any other Mexican star. He was a good looking guy. He can speak well. He's, he sounds kind of like a Tiger Ali Singh from Mexico with that he, because he's a son of a fucking legend, that he's always had a very high opinion of himself,

but they can work with that in the WWE. But a guy like that that has a very high opinion of himself and is a fucking lunatic, they couldn't even fucking standing. See, I think Darkside should do it now. And why wait? You could always do a part two. But there's so much shit.

There's so much just crazy shit. even gives you a chance to talk about his family, you know, Mil Moscaris and his uncle, and of course, his dad. So that's the Alberto del Rio update. A lot of crime stories here on the show this week. Jim, the final thing here this week, and we'll have questions return next week,

there's been a few different things to come out in the wake of the unhappiness around WWE creative, people noticing the ticket prices going up and at times not as many tickets being sold. The television shows not being as much fun to watch as they were just a little while ago. Creative changes on top.

TKO. Getting involved again, WrestleMania season and changing creative apparently. The Cody Rhodes Pat McAfee thing the other day, the CM Punk promo. All this stuff's in the air, and at the same time, We have Triple H appearing on the Cody Rhodes podcast to confirm that Vince McMahon was involved longer than they let on.

And maybe more importantly, Brandon Thurston, typically of WrestleMania, but for post-wrestling, put up an article. Paul Levec, Nick Conn Tech show friction between Vince McMahon and Levec over WWE Creative in 2023. So all of a sudden, there's a lot of talk going around about the process, the process between WW and TKO, the creative process, Vince McMahon's involvement then. You know, I don't know if we're going to go through all these text messages. Nick Kahn deleted almost all of his. I know it's like a one-sided conversation. There's poor Triple H.

Everything he said is right out there for everybody to see. And Nick Kahn responded. And clearly there were a lot of concerns from Triple H and maybe even beyond Triple H about Vince McMahon still being involved and Ari Emanuel and Mark Shapiro never, specifically never firmly stating that he's not going to be coming back to do something. They always kind of left the door open a little bit. But what have you seen about all this? And what are your thoughts just in general about what's coming out now about the process behind the scenes with WWE? Well, I just first of all, let me say, I think it's fucking insane. that they text each other back and forth shit that they all know that now that text is a thing

that you can subpoena those and in lawsuits and discovery and et cetera and they can read it. So why anybody does that is insane to me. I wouldn't know if we'd have text now and I don't text. And I don't even have anything to cover up anymore. But they're conducting not only the wrestling business. but now they're in a publicly traded company conducting monkey business and they're putting shit in writing that lasts forever that can't be thrown away except when Nick Conn deletes his shit

and is to the point where there was one exchange where Nick Con was trying to tell Vince something and Nick Con texted him what Lansing or whatever and Vince texts back what the fucking hell is Lansing and he says read it backwards it's signal which i guess is another thing they can get on where it doesn't keep records of it yeah your message goes over it yeah the point of what the if it's that goddamn important and you're making tens and hundreds of millions of dollars call on a

goddamn phone if i'm a billionaire and somebody's calling me about a multi-billion dollar deal i'll get up at two o'clock in the morning but i can't believe they put all this shit in fucking writing and secondly, we were talking about it at the time that Vince, Triple H had been, NXT was his thing. And like it or not, when Vince went in there and fucking disrupted that whole thing, and he and Bruce made it look like somebody had chewed up the entire prime time lineup of Nickelodeon and

thrown it up. And then Triple H has the heart deal and he's sidelined and blah, blah, blah. now Vince has come back and done all this shit and still wants to be involved and is maneuvered. I don't put it past Triple H and Stephanie to have been the ones to go, hey, dad's gone out of his mind and he's got this girl and we need to fucking bring this up. I think they stooged on him originally. But so the point being, Vince wouldn't leave him. anything alone. And Triple H is trying to text Nick Con and say, geez, is he, is he going to be there?

I guess he's coming. It just, you could tell they, they, Triple H was uncomfortable. And Nick Con at the time, I think, I thought they might still need Vince, but it's been proven they didn't. But that might have been the point in time. where he was starting to get a little fed up with it too. Well, a few things. One, I wonder if Nick Con can get in trouble,

because what would be the justification for needing and, for needing to use a messaging service where the messages disappear? Right. What would be Nick Hahn's reasoning for that? You could argue it's only to hide information from investors. You could make that argument. Why did he specifically delete the text that he'd sent to Triple H in response to Triple H's,

that Triple H didn't delete. And how deleted are they? Is it something where you can subpoena the phone company and get those messages? I guess that's another question. How deleted are they? God damn it, nothing goes away anymore, does it? I wish some shit would go away.

I think the problem is maybe to someone who only looks at it from a top level down, like an Ariah manual, maybe a Mark Shapiro, you do have to wonder if they think Vince McMahon was the magic, you know, the Willy Wonka. He was the magic. And again, knowing that Vince McMahon was still reaching out and still trying to be involved in the process after we thought he was out of the process, he still wanted to be involved in a creative. Makes you wonder what,

if any influence he has today, and again, at the same time we're allegedly TKO is stepping in on creative above Triple H's head. This is a worrying thing. I'm not saying it's WCW where people don't know about wrestling all of a sudden are booking the show. But you have to be worried

about what it appears the dysfunction that appears to be in place. And the idea I just read before the whole thing they're going to lower ticket prices on some select shows in the summer. So they're not lowering any fucking ticket prices. But hold on

on you got two things there and I think they're being tied together but they're not necessarily related in that I think that early on the Emanuels and cons and these people they did think Vince was Willie Wonka later on they found out it was a different kind of chocolate but I think they because of necessity having to be gone with him I think they've started to realized now, or maybe already have realized, that it wasn't just Vince and that maybe things were better in a lot of ways with Vince not being there. And with the headlines that still keep coming out, you know, I don't think they're really in any rush to have him as a public face the company or anything. But I think that they've interfered for a reason. I said earlier in the show

and another topic we were talking about, but also because they want this cross-promotion with Pat McAfee and ESPN and WW and T-K-O and fucking all these other goddamn conglomerates, they think that will be a big deal. They didn't, I don't think, really understand how fully the wrestling fans would be insulted by it, but they don't give a shit, I don't think,

because they represent all these people and all these companies and they're taking money out of their left pocket and putting it in their right pocket. And they just want publicity. I don't think Vince would have, I can almost bet you that Vince would have, no pun intended, shit on the idea of sticking Pat McAfee in this Orton and Cody deal.

Why? Because it didn't need it. And it came out of nowhere and it hadn't been built to. And I don't think from what I remember of Vince at least, maybe before his brain melted, that he would want to swerve and fuck up and gimmick up the actual WWE world title match at WrestleMania. I mean, they had a celebrity,

Mike Tyson is referee. that's different than Pat McAfee inserting himself as the guy who's been telling Randy Orton what to do and coming in out of nowhere just to goddamn get ESPN to cover it. I don't think Vince would have made that move. I don't think Triple H would have made that move. I think they're telling the truth. Even if it's not the rock this year,

somebody higher up and TKO sticks their fucking nose in WrestleMania every goddamn year. And sooner or later, they're going to not just stumble over their own dick, but they're going to fall flat on their face, knock their front teeth out. Well, again, a clunky build to WrestleMania coming off last year's clunky build after the Rock showed up and disappeared, the Travis Scott thing. The year before was the year it kind of all worked, which coincidentally was right after Vince McMahon was trying to.

Here's another message in Triple H to Nick Con, December 9th, 2023, was just told by security that VKM is coming to Cleveland TV Monday. What's that about? And five question marks.

What's you talking about, Willis? What's up with that? Yeah, well, and did you see there was another one where one of wrote to the other one said, oh shit, I've just realized that Vince is going to be on the same plane. is punk tomorrow. Do you think there'll be a problem?

Yeah. Boy, there's the next question I would ask CM Punk if I was the person interviewing CM Punk. What was that plane ride with Vince like? But here's another one. Sunday, December 10th, 2023, Paul Avect and Nick Kahn. The more I think about it, the more I'm kind of disappointed in that Ari Convo. Seems like we're in the same place. Quote, I'm going to tell them to stay out of it or else. that's way different than

quote, I'm telling him he's done, it's over. Kicking the can down the road. And that tells you that Triple H knew right there and then they were not going to cut bait with Vince McMahon willingly

and it was always going to be hanging over his head that he could be replaced as the head of creative. Yeah. And it could be Vince behind the whole thing. They're not giving him the confidence. So this is pretty enlightening, actually. But everything that Nick Kahn said back has been deleted, so we don't know whether he was agreeing with Triple H placating. Well, between you and I, here's from Triple H, between you and I, it feels like they're both backtracking on the He's Out narrative.

It's back to the, well, if he wants to go to the show now and then, listen to this. And if he gives notes and wants to have a 30 minute meeting now and then. then okay. Yeah. And then Triple H follows that up with, he just sent an email re-script for Ari. Oh. And Nick didn't delete that.

Seems off. Let me call him. I, I, but yeah, he wasn't going to stay away. And Triple H is like, what the fuck?

It sounds like that they had assured Triple H. Well, we're going to tell him that he's done. But he didn't get told. Nick Khan is the person that would be dealing with Ari and Mark Shapiro the most, not Triple H. Yeah. Vince is going right to Ari Emanuel.

If Vince is emailing Ari, December 2023 about the script, the fuck's he bothering Ari Emanuel about the script. That's the last thing we need is him getting involved in anything about the writing of the show. December 20203. Is that when the Rock came back and cut that promo on Cody? Was it around that time? I don't know. I should be guess.

Right before, right before, I believe. Well, again, we don't know how this affects what's going on now. A lot more will come out in this lawsuit and give Brandon Thurston a lot of credit. He's done the research and he's putting all the information out there and it's all public record now. But we'll see what happens and where TKO goes from here. It may have a big decision to make pretty soon about next year's WrestleMania. I don't know who, I don't know who for what reason, fans, let alone a wrestler. wants to fly to the Middle East right now

for a major high-profile event with spotlights and all sorts of shit. And major American celebrities. Oh, bad idea, but... Tanded photography. That is the TKO WWE creative update. And with that, Jim... Oh, let me get this.

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